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| 00:15.13 | pastamancer | Teomyr: SWG |
| 00:15.25 | pastamancer | oh, and I'm almost an hour too late |
| 00:15.37 | pastamancer | you could bot the hell out of SWG though |
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| 01:08.13 | batrick | anyone see why this pattern is found... string.find("| ur dog |", '[^%l]+ *u *r *[^%l]+') |
| 01:09.07 | Cide | >>> string.find("| ur dog |", '[^%l]+ *u *r *[^%l]+') |
| 01:09.08 | Cide | Cide: 1, 5 |
| 01:11.01 | Cide | it checks for one or more non-lowercase letters, followed by zero or more spaces, followed by a u, and then zero or more spaces, and then an r, followed by zero or more spaces, followed by one or more non-lowerspace letters |
| 01:11.19 | Cide | which fits right in |
| 01:11.20 | batrick | i thought * matches the longest pattern of the element it can find |
| 01:11.26 | batrick | :S |
| 01:11.47 | Cide | it does |
| 01:11.48 | Cide | >>> string.match("aaaaa", "a*") |
| 01:11.48 | Cide | Cide: "aaaaa" |
| 01:11.55 | Cide | >>> string.match("", "a*") |
| 01:11.55 | Cide | Cide: "" |
| 01:11.56 | Cide | >>> string.match("", "a") |
| 01:11.56 | Cide | Cide: nil |
| 01:12.00 | batrick | o nvm |
| 01:12.02 | Cide | see the difference? |
| 01:12.05 | Cide | zero or more |
| 01:12.08 | batrick | ya |
| 01:12.15 | Cide | >>> string.match("", "a*"), string.match("", "a+") |
| 01:12.15 | Cide | Cide: "", nil |
| 01:13.02 | Kirov | .- 0 or as few as possible, .* 0 or as many as possible, .+ 1 or as many as possible |
| 01:14.55 | batrick | >>> string.find("| ur dog |", '[^%l]+ *u *r *[^%l]+') |
| 01:14.56 | Cide | batrick: nil |
| 01:14.59 | batrick | haha |
| 01:16.16 | Kirov | doesn't "[^%|]+" mean "one or as many as possible _non_ pipe characters" |
| 01:16.26 | batrick | that's an l |
| 01:16.38 | batrick | well, the letter l |
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| 01:20.35 | Kirov | ok, so then your pattern "[^%l]+ *u *r *[^%l]+" means "one or as many possible non lowercase characters, 0 or as many as possible spaces, lower case u, 0 or as many as possible spaces, a lowercase r, 0 or as many as possible spaces, 1 or as many as possible non lower case characters. |
| 01:34.22 | JoshBorke | krka: ping |
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| 01:48.30 | Industrial | http://startupmeme.com/2007/04/09/google-caught-stealing/ |
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| 02:09.41 | Bleeter | u r n linker, idiot :P |
| 02:09.46 | Bleeter | gah, wrong window |
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| 02:24.43 | Cairenn | Happy Birthday dolby-wowi! |
| 02:27.07 | Nom- | omg it's dolby-wowi's birthday? |
| 02:27.36 | RogueShadow | I didn't know either, but then again i've never been here before. :) Happy Birthday. |
| 02:28.04 | Nom- | Is there going to be caek ? |
| 02:28.49 | sysrage | caeks on a plane! |
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| 02:28.58 | Esamynn|Busy | ~lart sysrage |
| 02:28.59 | purl | wallops sysrage with a main rotation server that needs rehubbing. It won't take long |
| 02:29.21 | sysrage | ha |
| 02:29.39 | Esamynn|Busy | ~botsnack |
| 02:29.39 | purl | thanks, Esamynn|Busy |
| 02:29.46 | sysrage | i'm about to watch that movie |
| 02:30.13 | dolby-wowi | no cake only pie |
| 02:31.06 | Nom- | mmm pie |
| 02:31.19 | Nom- | I like pie. |
| 02:31.26 | sysrage | dolby you coded wowi's download search? |
| 02:32.01 | dolby-wowi | http://www.weebls-stuff.com/flash/pie.swf |
| 02:33.07 | RogueShadow | The one with the birthday, it is he who chooses his treat. Indeed. |
| 02:33.14 | RogueShadow | Pie it is. |
| 02:34.24 | Bleeter | lol @ wanker |
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| 02:51.13 | AnduinLothar | I win! I have now successfully installed mysql, phpMyAdmin (and it's half a dozen req libs) and configured OS X and apache for remote access. |
| 02:52.06 | AnduinLothar | and went through the mysql tutorial |
| 02:52.10 | AnduinLothar | i feel smarter |
| 02:52.45 | Nom- | MySQL is easy |
| 02:52.52 | Nom- | Try learning Postgres or DB2 |
| 02:52.53 | Nom- | :) |
| 02:52.56 | Gnarfoz | I'm sadly too lazy to get that feeling more often ;] |
| 02:53.24 | Nom- | Postgres has virtually no GUIs that are as functional as phpmyadmin |
| 02:53.28 | AnduinLothar | don't hate, nom. you're jsut jealous cause you haven't learned anythign nearly as useful today |
| 02:53.58 | Nom- | Yeah, I haven't done much today |
| 02:54.10 | AnduinLothar | learning makes me hungry |
| 02:58.03 | Bleeter | i installed the phppgadmin, I haven't hit the notirous wiki bug yet to need to move to postgress ;) |
| 02:58.11 | Bleeter | *notorious |
| 02:58.36 | Bleeter | as such, i haven't looked at either, phppgadmin at all, or postgres recently |
| 02:59.36 | Bleeter | ugh, I really hate the monotone revision numbers |
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| 05:21.20 | Scr3em | anyone no of a simple mod that unlocks the group loot roll windows? |
| 05:21.31 | Scr3em | know* |
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| 05:28.17 | wtf | hi |
| 05:28.27 | wtf | I have a rather simple question, I believe :p |
| 05:28.51 | wtf | this addon I'm using for my cooldowns won't track pet cooldowns, because I need to have my pet up when I log in, and I'm a mage |
| 05:29.00 | wtf | and when I log out, my WE despawns (not because of expiration) |
| 05:29.03 | wtf | so that's not possible |
| 05:29.22 | wtf | but looking through the files I found if UnitExists("pet") then <bla bla> |
| 05:29.29 | wtf | what can I change it to so that it will always be true? |
| 05:31.34 | Corrodias | "Player suggested emotes " in 2.1? |
| 05:33.01 | Corrodias | oh, wrong list |
| 05:33.05 | Corrodias | that's the "future stuff" list |
| 05:39.44 | Corrodias | i can never seem to log into the forums these days |
| 05:39.52 | Corrodias | it just doesn't recognize my credentials |
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| 05:47.17 | xlvii | paladin or priest? |
| 05:48.22 | Corrodias | hmm |
| 05:48.46 | Corrodias | sorta depends on what you like |
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| 05:59.14 | Nom- | xlvii: I think it's sumarrized by my statement the other day... |
| 05:59.28 | Nom- | Problem: You've pulled 6+ mobs. |
| 05:59.42 | Nom- | Priest Solution: Shield and run screaming like a mad scientist. |
| 06:00.03 | Nom- | Paladin Solution: Equip shield, turn on retribution aura, activative holy shield. |
| 06:00.42 | Corrodias | you forgot the fear |
| 06:00.48 | JunkHead-Work | Hello. |
| 06:02.03 | Shirik | .. |
| 06:02.03 | Nom- | I can easily solo all the stratholme trash on my pally at level 70 |
| 06:02.05 | Corrodias | priest: healing, dot, mind control, amplifies damage with warlock. paladin: healing, plate, bubble, hearth. |
| 06:02.06 | Shirik | we had this discussion yesterday |
| 06:02.17 | Nom- | Shirik: Yes, someone just asked |
| 06:02.22 | Nom- | 13:48 < xlvii> paladin or priest? |
| 06:02.22 | Shirik | :( why do you hate me |
| 06:02.31 | Shirik | priests > paladins imo |
| 06:02.47 | Shirik | but yes, I'm heavily biased |
| 06:02.49 | Corrodias | can you easily solo all the LBRS trash on your paladin? |
| 06:03.06 | Nom- | Corrodias: Most probably...I've not tried |
| 06:03.10 | Corrodias | and of course Psychic Scream for a priest |
| 06:03.18 | Corrodias | i didn't know the name of the fear bomb |
| 06:03.44 | Nom- | I'd say I probably could, just takes a bit longer because you don't have teh opening nuke |
| 06:03.53 | Nom- | Not much longer though...about 8 seconds longer :P |
| 06:04.15 | Nom- | 1 consecrate makes up for not being able to do a Holy Wrath |
| 06:07.43 | Shirik | windows users be aware: "Attackers have been exploiting the ANI vulnerability to steal World of Warcraft (WoW) accounts. The going rate for a WoW account ($10) used to participate in the online fantasy game, exceeds that of a credit card and its verification data ($6)" |
| 06:08.19 | Corrodias | ANI, that sounds vaguely familiar |
| 06:08.48 | Nom- | # |
| 06:08.49 | Nom- | # Automatic Number Identification. A service feature that tells the recipient of a telephone call the telephone number of the person calling them. The number can be passed to computer equipment to automatically retrieve information about the caller's account, such as billing history, account status, etc. |
| 06:08.56 | Shirik | um |
| 06:08.56 | Shirik | no |
| 06:09.01 | Shirik | animated cursor :P |
| 06:09.10 | Nom- | lol |
| 06:09.15 | Corrodias | *eyebrow* |
| 06:09.23 | Nom- | That's so ambiguous |
| 06:10.10 | Shirik | Corrodias: http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2007-1765 |
| 06:10.16 | Shirik | CVE is your friend :) |
| 06:10.52 | Nom- | lol |
| 06:10.57 | Nom- | Tjere |
| 06:11.13 | Nom- | There's a good reason I don't use Internet Explorer, and I don't download UI enhancements like animated cursors :) |
| 06:12.07 | Corrodias | firefox might process animated cursors from web sites. i really don't know. |
| 06:12.34 | Nom- | hmm possibly |
| 06:12.40 | Nom- | I'd need an example web site to test with |
| 06:13.06 | Nom- | It's usually pretty good when it comes to processing stuff which can contain arbritraty code |
| 06:13.59 | Nom- | *drool* |
| 06:14.01 | Nom- | wtb stats on t6 |
| 06:15.17 | Shirik | usually milw0rm has stuff you can use |
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| 06:15.46 | Shirik | that's usually how I check the security of my servers, just by using cve and milw0rm to look up exploits |
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| 06:18.12 | Shirik | yup, they definitely have on |
| 06:19.11 | Corrodias | "MS05-036: Vulnerability in Microsoft Color Management Module could allow remote code execution" |
| 06:20.32 | Corrodias | jesus fucking damnit, why can't they use buffers correctly? |
| 06:20.39 | Corrodias | how many years has microsoft been producing programs? |
| 06:20.42 | Shirik | it's microsoft? |
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| 06:21.06 | Corrodias | how long can it possibly take to learn that unsafely used buffers are unsafe? |
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| 06:25.39 | Nom- | hehe |
| 06:25.56 | Nom- | It's Microsoft |
| 06:26.08 | Nom- | You should know by now they have more bugs than any other OS |
| 06:26.29 | xlvii | nom-, what are your professions on your paladin? |
| 06:26.39 | Nom- | xlvii: Currently, Mining and Blacksmith |
| 06:27.48 | xlvii | nom-, any decent stuff for paladins in there? |
| 06:29.23 | Nom- | There is, but herbs is where the money is |
| 06:31.56 | Nom- | I haven't reached 350 or even 300 blacksmith yet |
| 06:32.03 | Nom- | I'm so very tempted to drop it and go double-gatherer |
| 06:32.11 | Nom- | I had mining & skinning up 'til level 65 |
| 06:32.23 | Nom- | mining & herbs is hell profitable though |
| 06:32.59 | Shadowed | I found it rather hard to profit off of herbs, most of it came from mines |
| 06:33.00 | Nom- | You're not farming the right herbs then |
| 06:33.17 | Shadowed | which? |
| 06:33.38 | Nom- | well on our server |
| 06:33.49 | Nom- | Mountain Silversage = 35g a stack |
| 06:33.57 | Nom- | Ancient Lichen = 30g a stack |
| 06:34.05 | Nom- | Gromsblood = 30g a stack |
| 06:34.11 | Shadowed | Farming outland herbs not old-world |
| 06:34.13 | Nom- | Terocone = 20g a stack |
| 06:34.30 | Nom- | Netherbloom = 27g a stack |
| 06:34.38 | Nom- | Felweek is cheapest at about 9g a stack |
| 06:34.42 | Shadowed | pretty much |
| 06:34.46 | Nom- | s/week/weed/ |
| 06:34.58 | nuoHep | kinda cheap i must say. its 50g for a stack of terocone here %) |
| 06:35.02 | Shadowed | usually have to make a choice between herbs or veins if they aren't felweed or dreaming glory then i can't pick them + veins at the same time easly |
| 06:35.09 | Nom- | And let's put it this way |
| 06:35.34 | Nom- | A guildmate farmed 200 terocone, netherbloom and 400 felweed in 2 hours |
| 06:35.47 | Shadowed | He probably has a flying mount too? |
| 06:36.05 | Nom- | instant like what? 700g? |
| 06:36.14 | Nom- | yeah, normal flying mount |
| 06:36.18 | Nom- | But they're not ahrd to get |
| 06:36.24 | Shadowed | normal? |
| 06:36.26 | Nom- | It's the epic mount which is hard to get |
| 06:36.28 | Shadowed | you mean, 60% or 280% :p |
| 06:36.32 | Nom- | 60% |
| 06:36.37 | nuoHep | you are on a low pop server? |
| 06:36.45 | Shadowed | i doubt you could get 200 terocone, netherbloom and 400 felweed that quickly on our server |
| 06:36.53 | Nom- | well we have only ever had queues twice that i can recall |
| 06:36.57 | Nom- | but it's not *that* low... |
| 06:37.07 | Shadowed | MAYBE if you had a 280% speed mount and you were on like right after the server came up |
| 06:37.32 | Nom- | Yeah, well unfortunately ores aren't in high demand |
| 06:37.37 | nuoHep | because we have like 15 ppl farming cone all the time |
| 06:37.46 | Nom- | The only thing that's even remotely profitable is bloody Thorium |
| 06:37.53 | Nom- | And that's only 25g a stack on a good day |
| 06:38.25 | Shadowed | I just sold Adamantite mainly while doing loops around Nagrand |
| 06:38.33 | Nom- | There's just such a high demand for herbs, because of all the consumeables |
| 06:38.44 | Nom- | Yeah, well i'm farming Adamantite, but I can't sell it |
| 06:38.45 | nuoHep | i can make 1k+ a night by farming ore + mana thistle in netherstorm |
| 06:38.51 | Shadowed | epic mount? :p |
| 06:38.52 | Nom- | 1. It sells for hardly anything |
| 06:39.03 | Nom- | 2. I need it for Arcane Resist gear |
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| 06:39.48 | Shadowed | goes for around 40g on our server and i could usually sell it within 12-15 hours |
| 06:40.36 | Nom- | 40g a stack is pretty bad actually :P |
| 06:40.41 | nuoHep | i just prospect everything and sell the gems |
| 06:40.48 | Nom- | Yeah, that's what we do generally |
| 06:40.57 | Shadowed | is that really that profitable? I was looking at it and it seemed pretty much a gamble |
| 06:41.04 | Nom- | 5 stacks of ore = about 6 blue gems at least |
| 06:41.10 | Shadowed | of what kind though |
| 06:41.17 | Nom- | random depending on ore |
| 06:41.30 | Nom- | pretty much all blue gems sell for 50g+ on our server though |
| 06:41.41 | Shadowed | dawnstone is down to like 20g on ours sadly |
| 06:41.41 | Nom- | So even ifyou only get 1 gem per stac of ore, it's still worth mroe |
| 06:41.56 | Shirik | which is rather illogical |
| 06:41.58 | Nom- | yeah, you've got more supply |
| 06:42.03 | Shirik | at that rate, why not buy the ore off the AH |
| 06:42.05 | Shirik | and then sell the gems |
| 06:42.10 | Shadowed | yeah |
| 06:42.30 | Nom- | We have massive demand, and all the good gem crafters (and therefore prospecters) are holding onto the good stuff for guilds |
| 06:42.56 | Nom- | Our build bank has a nice collection of blue gems, and I can buy them off our resident jewel crafters much cheaper than AH |
| 06:43.02 | Nom- | Or I have them a few stacks of ore and get it for free :P |
| 06:43.38 | Shadowed | Why aren't you buying stuff off the AH and prospecting it then! |
| 06:44.00 | Nom- | I'm just thinking though...there's basically no BoP stuff from blacksmith that's really useful for Paladins |
| 06:44.31 | Shadowed | Depending on the changes in 2.1.0, it'll likely mean that ore becomes more of a profit |
| 06:44.35 | Nom- | And I'm a far better supplier than I am a consumer |
| 06:44.36 | Shadowed | are you a ret paladin? |
| 06:44.42 | Shirik | what changes? |
| 06:44.43 | Nom- | Protection, Shadowed |
| 06:44.54 | Shadowed | theres some of those crafted 1h's but i dont believe they're very good tanking |
| 06:45.18 | Nom- | Yeah, they're better for warriors though |
| 06:45.21 | Shadowed | " Prospecting now always yields at least 1 gem. Overall, the amount of gems received from prospecting has been increased." |
| 06:45.44 | Nom- | Paladin tanking relies on spell damage |
| 06:45.49 | Shirik | wow |
| 06:46.15 | Nom- | Have they announced a date for 2.1.0 yet ? |
| 06:46.50 | Nom- | that change, Shadowed, is going to boost the green gems |
| 06:47.06 | Nom- | The blue gems are still going to be reserved primarily in guilds :( |
| 06:47.23 | Shadowed | "depending on the changes" |
| 06:47.34 | Nom- | With most guilds going through gear faster than they can find gems right now, it'll take a few weeks post changes for the market to compensate |
| 06:48.09 | Shadowed | Depends greatly on your server, ours we have no issue finding gems for around 40-50g |
| 06:49.05 | Nom- | yeah same lol |
| 06:49.12 | Nom- | 40-50g is pretty insane for gems imho |
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| 06:49.26 | Nom- | green gems are cheap as chips, but the blue market is pretty expensive |
| 06:49.37 | Nom- | I buy most of mine for around 20-30g off guild jewelers |
| 06:50.44 | nuoHep | living ruby for 65+ here %) |
| 06:55.09 | Nom- | Yeah, that settles it |
| 06:55.25 | Nom- | After looking over the Blacksmith Schematics, I'm going to pick up herbs tonight |
| 06:55.30 | Nom- | It's not worth the trouble and expense :) |
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| 06:56.01 | Nom- | Our guild already has more than 1 of every kind of blacksmith |
| 06:56.06 | Nom- | So it's not long I need to roll one :P |
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| 07:13.27 | Nom- | One day when I'm rich from farming herbs, I'll buy all the mats and grind it out :P |
| 07:15.01 | Nom- | I wonder if I can max out herbalism in one night |
| 07:15.15 | Nom- | As well as farm 4 arcane crystals for my Naxx attunement :P |
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| 07:48.09 | ckknight | http://wowace.com/wiki/DogTag-1.0 |
| 07:49.37 | JunkHead-Work | Alright. |
| 07:49.40 | JunkHead-Work | More movies ordered. |
| 07:50.22 | JunkHead-Work | Hey ckknight. |
| 07:50.24 | ckknight | hey |
| 07:50.41 | JunkHead-Work | What's up? |
| 07:50.42 | ckknight | just want to let any UF authors know about DogTag-1.0 |
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| 07:51.28 | JunkHead-Work | Didn't you say that you were working on a UF addon of your own? |
| 07:51.40 | ckknight | yep |
| 07:51.41 | ckknight | PitBull |
| 07:51.50 | ckknight | and I recently separated DogTag-1.0 from it |
| 07:52.00 | JunkHead-Work | How is pitbull shaping up so far? |
| 07:52.01 | ckknight | it's a markup language for unit frame fontstrings |
| 07:52.09 | ckknight | very much based on Watchdog's tags |
| 07:52.14 | ckknight | it's coming along quite well |
| 07:52.18 | ckknight | a lot of work going into it |
| 07:52.30 | ckknight | Raid grouping is still missing, though |
| 07:52.34 | ckknight | I'll be adding that in soonish |
| 07:52.47 | JunkHead-Work | I tried AG. I like the way it looks and all, but I still prefer X-perl. |
| 07:53.01 | ckknight | well, what do you prefer about it? |
| 07:53.36 | subbawt | I've been using PitBull, i got some weird errors when I was in AV using it, though. I downloaded an updated copy, but haven't gotten around to trying it in a raid again. |
| 07:54.42 | JunkHead-Work | Ok for one, I like how when you type /xperl to open the config menu, it shows black boxes where the party frame and raid group frames will be. |
| 07:54.52 | JunkHead-Work | And you can move those around without being in a aprty or raid. |
| 07:55.01 | JunkHead-Work | I couldn't figure out how to do this in AG. |
| 07:55.02 | subbawt | PitBull has that :P |
| 07:55.25 | subbawt | ckknight knows what the people want |
| 07:55.37 | JunkHead-Work | I'm sure he does.:) |
| 07:55.45 | JunkHead-Work | There is one thing I dislike about Xperl though. |
| 07:55.52 | ckknight | what's that? |
| 07:55.57 | ckknight | the lack of strippers? |
| 07:56.00 | ckknight | and blackjack? |
| 07:56.02 | JunkHead-Work | You can scale your frame, your pet frame, your buffs, your pet buffs. |
| 07:56.08 | ckknight | right... |
| 07:56.19 | JunkHead-Work | For your party, you can scale the frame, and member's buffs and all... |
| 07:56.27 | JunkHead-Work | but there is no scale for party pet buffs |
| 07:56.49 | JunkHead-Work | If I have a hunte rin my party, I can see his pet fine, but the buffs are tiny as hell. |
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| 07:57.03 | JunkHead-Work | and there is no individual scale for that. |
| 07:57.23 | ckknight | hrm |
| 07:57.30 | ckknight | seems silly not to have a scale for that if it's on the others |
| 07:57.31 | JunkHead-Work | Maybe that's just me being picky or whatever... but it bugs the shit out of me. |
| 07:57.37 | ckknight | I believe a scale was added in recently |
| 07:57.38 | JunkHead-Work | Right. |
| 07:57.40 | ckknight | for PitBull |
| 07:57.48 | ckknight | not positive on that |
| 07:57.48 | JunkHead-Work | Well, it's not in the one I have.:( |
| 07:58.00 | JunkHead-Work | I cry dailt when I have a lock in my group. |
| 07:58.18 | JunkHead-Work | daily( |
| 07:58.20 | JunkHead-Work | daily* |
| 08:00.07 | ckknight | lol |
| 08:00.08 | JunkHead-Work | Plus I like xperl because it makes having CT_Raidassist meaningless. |
| 08:00.30 | JunkHead-Work | Hmm... |
| 08:00.40 | subbawt | I haven't used CTRA in forever |
| 08:00.52 | JunkHead-Work | Now that I think about it, I don't think Xperl has a buff size scale for raid buffs. |
| 08:01.02 | JunkHead-Work | I'll have to check when I get home. |
| 08:04.42 | JunkHead-Work | Now if only my EQL worked I'd be happy. |
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| 08:07.05 | Nom- | I should try X-Perl again |
| 08:07.08 | Nom- | I really liked that |
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| 08:07.43 | subbawt | I use PitBull + Grid |
| 08:08.38 | subbawt | I don't think it's possible for a unit frame addon to show as much information in such a small area as Grid does. |
| 08:08.43 | JunkHead-Work | Anyone ever used DrDamage? |
| 08:09.08 | Nom- | I currently use agUF for my raid windows |
| 08:09.20 | Nom- | It's actually find once you configure a custom window |
| 08:09.28 | Shadowed | Most of them aren't built specifically with showing as much data as possible using as little space, they're usually done to look good and display "basic" info |
| 08:09.31 | Nom- | I mkae a single raid frame to show groups 1-4 |
| 08:09.40 | JunkHead-Work | Nom- - is there a way to set them up without being ina raid? |
| 08:09.50 | JunkHead-Work | Same for party. |
| 08:10.03 | Nom- | JunkHead-Work: Not that i've found...and the annoying part is I keep losing the configuration for the raid window :9 |
| 08:10.15 | Nom- | I assume it's a bug and will be fixed in the next release |
| 08:10.17 | subbawt | I think there are a lot of healers who play poorly because their screen is cluttered with unit frames and they can't see their surroundings. |
| 08:10.25 | JunkHead-Work | I liked how AG looked, but I couldn't set up raid and party frames by myself. |
| 08:10.36 | JunkHead-Work | subbawt - Probably. |
| 08:10.39 | Shadowed | thats what raid warnings are for |
| 08:10.49 | JunkHead-Work | My screen is pretty easy to read though. |
| 08:11.00 | Nom- | My UI isn't *too* bad actually |
| 08:11.00 | Shadowed | "BOMB INC" means "MOVE DAMNIT" not "LETS STAND THERE FOR 3 MINUTES AND DIE" =( |
| 08:11.06 | Nom- | Let me see if I can find a recent screeny |
| 08:11.13 | Shadowed | you can always scale stuff down if it's that bad too |
| 08:11.40 | Nom- | http://standen.id.au/pics/WoWScrnShot_022607_094737.jpg |
| 08:11.43 | JunkHead-Work | The largest raid I have a screenshot of is 15 people, but it'll give you an idea. |
| 08:11.53 | Nom- | That's pretty close to what I've got...i've swapped a few mods around recently |
| 08:12.07 | Nom- | Basically I have my raid frame above autobar on the left |
| 08:12.28 | Nom- | and i have KTM on the right when I need it |
| 08:12.29 | subbawt | I don't use any action bar mod |
| 08:12.30 | JunkHead-Work | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v475/JunkHead/WoWScrnShot_032407_213855.jpg |
| 08:12.37 | subbawt | and i have grid where your action bars are |
| 08:12.52 | subbawt | and unit frames to the left and right of it |
| 08:12.53 | JunkHead-Work | Mine has a lot of info showing, but is still fairly clean. |
| 08:13.02 | Nom- | Acutally, it's surprising how little my UI has changed since then...that was level 65 in Nagrand lol |
| 08:13.39 | JunkHead-Work | Mine never changes. |
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| 08:13.44 | Nom- | yeah that's too chunky for me |
| 08:13.46 | JunkHead-Work | Mine is the same for all characters. |
| 08:13.55 | Nom- | those buffs and health take up too much room |
| 08:14.06 | Nom- | That's why i like agUF...it shows buffst hat I can cast, and debuffs |
| 08:14.07 | Nom- | That's it |
| 08:14.15 | Nom- | (and a health bar of course) |
| 08:14.35 | JunkHead-Work | Yeah. I liked AG, but It just wasn't nice enough to pull me away from xperl. |
| 08:14.49 | JunkHead-Work | But the actual "look" of it, is quite nice. |
| 08:15.01 | Nom- | I hated the X-Perl raid frames actually |
| 08:15.06 | Nom- | They were no better than the Blizzard ones |
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| 08:15.17 | JunkHead-Work | I've never tried the blizzard ones. |
| 08:15.22 | subbawt | I use XRS to monitor buffs, and for important debuffs, I have grid display them as the center icon. |
| 08:15.25 | JunkHead-Work | But I like them more than CT_RA |
| 08:15.33 | Nom- | The X-Perl raid frames are basically the same as Blizz frames |
| 08:15.39 | Nom- | Just slightly prettier |
| 08:15.59 | Nom- | agUF raid frames are probably the best imho |
| 08:16.11 | Nom- | Next to perfectraid, which isn't getting much love lately :( |
| 08:16.45 | Nom- | Just one question, JunkHead-Work |
| 08:16.50 | Nom- | Why did you go back to MC at level 70?? |
| 08:16.51 | JunkHead-Work | Ok. |
| 08:16.59 | Nom- | Go do Naxx or something lol |
| 08:16.59 | JunkHead-Work | *sigh* |
| 08:17.12 | JunkHead-Work | Well, me personally... |
| 08:17.17 | JunkHead-Work | I didn't want to go. |
| 08:17.33 | JunkHead-Work | But I was never a raider. It took me forever to hit 60. |
| 08:17.51 | JunkHead-Work | I was actually wanting to start Karazhan. |
| 08:18.15 | JunkHead-Work | But it was a guild run. Every friday (mostly) we do a raid, and for like.. 3-4 weeks in a row they did MC. |
| 08:18.25 | Nom- | lol |
| 08:18.26 | JunkHead-Work | to get "back into the groove" of raiding. |
| 08:18.34 | JunkHead-Work | But like.. I hated it. |
| 08:18.40 | Nom- | I can't even drag 10 people from my guild back to MC |
| 08:18.46 | JunkHead-Work | I didn't mind the experience.... but still. |
| 08:18.55 | JunkHead-Work | We know what we're doing... |
| 08:18.55 | Nom- | We're going to Naxx tho...on Friday :) |
| 08:19.04 | JunkHead-Work | Oh and we still haven't done Kara. |
| 08:19.10 | JunkHead-Work | I'm not attuned for Naxx. |
| 08:19.18 | JunkHead-Work | Not much raiding experience and all. |
| 08:19.20 | Nom- | Kara is a steep learning curve |
| 08:19.28 | Nom- | We're hitting it 3 nights a week at the moment |
| 08:19.40 | JunkHead-Work | Yeah but MC and ZG is all I've ever done. |
| 08:19.47 | Nom- | Thursday = Clear the farm bosses |
| 08:19.53 | Nom- | Sunday = New boss or two |
| 08:19.56 | JunkHead-Work | And since I've been in the guild, that's all they've done on raid nights. |
| 08:19.57 | Nom- | Monday = New boss or two |
| 08:20.00 | JunkHead-Work | ZG or MC. |
| 08:20.04 | subbawt | We do 2 nights of karazhan, 2 nights of magtheridon attempts, 1 night of gruul's lair. |
| 08:20.13 | Nom- | As of this week, we're declaring everything up to Shade of Aran on farm :) |
| 08:20.16 | JunkHead-Work | So yeah... if I want to do other older raids... I'm kidna out of luck it seems. |
| 08:20.23 | Nom- | Actually, up to Chess Event |
| 08:20.51 | JunkHead-Work | And tonight I logged on to check mail, and the guild MOTD is changed. |
| 08:20.51 | Nom- | The plan for this week is to clear all the bosses including shade in one night (Thursday) |
| 08:21.06 | JunkHead-Work | "be ready and attuned for kara 9pm." |
| 08:21.14 | JunkHead-Work | Yeah... good luck with that. |
| 08:21.17 | Nom- | hehe |
| 08:21.26 | JunkHead-Work | We have about 5 people attuned. |
| 08:22.01 | subbawt | Our best karazhan so far has been everything but Nightbane in 6 hours. |
| 08:22.27 | JunkHead-Work | The weekend I was there for both nights of MC, we got to Garr. |
| 08:22.40 | Nom- | both nights of MC? |
| 08:22.43 | JunkHead-Work | 2 nights. 3 bosses. |
| 08:22.44 | JunkHead-Work | Yes. |
| 08:22.46 | subbawt | -_- |
| 08:22.50 | JunkHead-Work | Yup.... |
| 08:22.51 | Nom- | At level 60 we cleared MC in one day |
| 08:22.52 | Nom- | 5 hours |
| 08:23.01 | JunkHead-Work | We played 3 hours a night basically. |
| 08:23.11 | JunkHead-Work | First night.. whatever the 1st 2 bosses are. |
| 08:23.12 | Nom- | damn... |
| 08:23.35 | JunkHead-Work | 2nd night, we did the 3rd boss, and quit after 1 Garr attempt. |
| 08:23.44 | Nom- | We would just plough through that place |
| 08:23.58 | subbawt | Garr with 15 people |
| 08:23.58 | subbawt | Doesn't sound like fun |
| 08:23.59 | Nom- | On a really bad night, we might wipe once on Garr and twice on Rag, and that's it |
| 08:23.59 | JunkHead-Work | 1 Warlock. |
| 08:24.19 | subbawt | Of course at 60 i believe naxxed geared tanks would tank all of garr's adds |
| 08:24.20 | JunkHead-Work | Our guild, as far as 70's, is mostly rogues, hunters, paladins. |
| 08:24.30 | Nom- | We cleared MC for the new people on Saturday and hit BWL as new content on Wednesday ( i think) |
| 08:24.32 | subbawt | like one tank |
| 08:24.44 | Nom- | hah |
| 08:24.53 | Nom- | we have too many warlocks and not enough of any other class |
| 08:25.13 | JunkHead-Work | We have... 25 70's. |
| 08:25.20 | JunkHead-Work | hunters, rogues, paladins acocunt for 15 of those. |
| 08:25.51 | Nom- | You guys are not prepared to raid the 25-mans lol |
| 08:25.51 | subbawt | We have more 70s than we did 60s pre-TBC. |
| 08:26.01 | JunkHead-Work | No offense.. But "No shit" |
| 08:26.07 | JunkHead-Work | We have 2 priests. |
| 08:26.09 | Nom- | We're aiming to have 35-40 raid-ready people to make sure we can fill a 25-man :/ |
| 08:26.11 | JunkHead-Work | 1 warlock. |
| 08:26.16 | JunkHead-Work | 1 druid. |
| 08:26.17 | subbawt | We raided with another guild as a raiding alliance before the burning crusade. |
| 08:26.26 | JunkHead-Work | 3 warriors. |
| 08:26.30 | subbawt | So we had about 35 60s or so. |
| 08:26.32 | Nom- | heh...if you want to raid, you're going to need to find a better build :P |
| 08:27.03 | Nom- | When you've got 3 Karazhan raids going and making good progress (as we're about to do in the next week or two) it's time to hit 25-mans |
| 08:27.15 | Nom- | We've got 2 raids up to about the same point now |
| 08:27.21 | subbawt | We only have two karazhan raids. |
| 08:27.28 | subbawt | I'm not sure if we're going to push for another. |
| 08:28.09 | Nom- | You kinda need to I reckon :/ |
| 08:28.10 | subbawt | I think we're actually going to try to phase out karazhan sooner than later. |
| 08:28.10 | Nom- | Having 25 raiders isn't quite enough...you need extras |
| 08:28.10 | JunkHead-Work | [03:29:18] <Nom-> heh...if you want to raid, you're going to need to find a better build :P <-- guessing you meant "guild"? |
| 08:28.12 | Nom- | JunkHead-Work: Yeah |
| 08:28.29 | Nom- | No coffee makes nom's fingers no worky so well |
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| 08:30.22 | JunkHead-Work | Well, I don't mind not raiding much. It's not big deal. |
| 08:30.32 | JunkHead-Work | I have a few really good friends in the guild. |
| 08:38.01 | [dRaCo] | as long as you do anything. |
| 08:41.40 | JunkHead-Work | ? |
| 08:42.17 | [dRaCo] | well, like making heroic runs or roleplay meetings or anything |
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| 08:43.06 | JunkHead-Work | Never been on a heroic either. |
| 08:43.30 | [dRaCo] | aight, that'd make me crazy |
| 08:44.22 | JunkHead-Work | What would? |
| 08:44.36 | [dRaCo] | not doing anything |
| 08:44.47 | [dRaCo] | no heroics, no raids, no endgame in any way |
| 08:45.11 | JunkHead-Work | Well, I don't get to play at normal times anyway. |
| 08:45.40 | JunkHead-Work | Which is why i cna't get attuned to Kara in a timely fashion. |
| 08:46.11 | subbawt | I did heroics hardcore for a while, but I got the items I wanted, and now I rarely do them. |
| 08:46.23 | subbawt | I still need the full fire resist set, though :\ |
| 08:46.49 | Nom- | Get the crafted set, subbawt |
| 08:48.22 | subbawt | It's pretty expensive, and I could easily get the full FR set in a few weeks of doing heroic mechanar daily. |
| 08:48.23 | JunkHead-Work | I mainly play my alts lately. |
| 08:52.10 | subbawt | Have you guys read about the new small group content coming out at the same time as the Black Temple? |
| 08:52.18 | Nom- | Yes |
| 08:52.22 | Nom- | It's on the WoW home page |
| 08:59.58 | subbawt | I suppose I should actually start the netherdrake questline |
| 09:00.39 | Nom- | Not deployed yet? |
| 09:06.51 | subbawt | I mean the netherwing quest chain in SMV. |
| 09:07.16 | subbawt | To become neutral with the netherwing flight and stuff. |
| 09:08.01 | Shirik | ha |
| 09:08.05 | Shirik | Civil War #2 approaches? http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/30/AR2007033002076_2.html |
| 09:09.23 | Shirik | sorry, I gave the second page |
| 09:09.26 | Shirik | first page is here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/30/AR2007033002076.html |
| 09:10.47 | dieck | subbawt: hm, is that the one starting with feeding the dragons? |
| 09:12.31 | wereHamster | where's Vermont? |
| 09:12.41 | Shirik | northeast US |
| 09:13.54 | wereHamster | quite small |
| 09:13.57 | Shirik | very |
| 09:19.19 | subbawt | aye dieck |
| 09:23.54 | [Ammo] | Shirik: check the date on the article :p |
| 09:24.20 | Shirik | oh -_- |
| 09:24.26 | Shirik | it's not my fault someone sent it to me >.> |
| 09:24.27 | [Ammo] | owned :) |
| 09:24.35 | Shirik | I suck at april fools |
| 09:24.40 | Shirik | Cairenn gave me a heart attack too :( |
| 09:25.32 | wereHamster | date? 2007/03/30, that's not first april |
| 09:28.22 | Shirik | hmmm I think I just crashed my computer |
| 09:29.36 | [Ammo] | check the article wereHamster |
| 09:29.37 | dieck | Shirik: as you're still online, I think you did not :) |
| 09:29.39 | [Ammo] | it says 1 apr at the top |
| 09:29.43 | Shirik | yeah I take that back |
| 09:29.46 | Shirik | it just got pissed off for a while |
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| 09:44.21 | Adys | bah |
| 09:44.39 | Shirik | ? |
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| 11:58.36 | Nom- | stoopid downtime :( |
| 12:00.05 | JunkHead-Work | Isn't it like... 3 hours today? |
| 12:00.23 | Nom- | Yes |
| 12:00.30 | Nom- | Which means it comes up at 11:00pm |
| 12:00.31 | subbawt | Is anyone familiar with the mod Debuff Filter? |
| 12:00.34 | Nom- | Too late to do much at all |
| 12:00.49 | subbawt | actually nevermind |
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| 12:01.35 | JunkHead-Work- | Well that sucked.. |
| 12:01.46 | JunkHead-Work- | Anyway.. did it start at 5am Pacific? |
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| 12:02.48 | Nom- | 5am server |
| 12:09.32 | JunkHead-Work- | Ok. |
| 12:10.56 | dieck | hm, is there any addon that counts proc effects? e.g. darkmoon cards, weapon enchants and so on? to reveal the proc rate? |
| 12:11.52 | subbawt | ProcWatch |
| 12:12.29 | subbawt | It hasn't been updated in a while as far as I know, but I think it still works. |
| 12:15.15 | dieck | sounds good |
| 12:15.38 | dieck | i'll have a try this afternoon |
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| 13:25.33 | krka | JoshBorke: pong |
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| 13:49.42 | JoshBorke | krka: how would you like to write something like FAIAP for me for my mod GuildBook? ^_^ |
| 13:50.45 | krka | np! my going rate is $30/h |
| 13:51.08 | JoshBorke | do you take IOU's :_D |
| 13:52.04 | krka | sorry no |
| 13:52.11 | krka | 1) why not write it yourself? |
| 13:52.16 | krka | 2) what does "like FAIAP" mean? |
| 13:53.00 | JoshBorke | 1) i have no clue how, i don't remember any of the class that taught me parsing |
| 13:53.22 | JoshBorke | 2) just a mod to color the Simple HTML tags available |
| 13:54.44 | krka | so you basically want a tokenizer for html? |
| 13:55.10 | JoshBorke | yea |
| 13:55.34 | krka | should be easy enough |
| 13:55.38 | krka | just scan for '<' |
| 13:59.41 | foxlit | <img alt="Here > There" /> |
| 14:00.01 | krka | with attributes it will be slightly trickier |
| 14:00.05 | foxlit | That should probably be >, but I don't think most browsers would kill you for it nowadays. |
| 14:00.06 | krka | and properly escaped strings |
| 14:00.14 | zenzelezz | punish them for not using &...; |
| 14:00.17 | JoshBorke | it's ok, i wouldn't support that |
| 14:00.41 | krka | should be fairly easy to take a look at the tokenizer in FAIAP and make a version that does simple html tokenizing |
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| 15:45.54 | zenzelezz | green skills are guaranteed to be *able* to give skill-up, always? Even though at smaller chance than yellow/orange |
| 15:46.04 | foxlit | Yes |
| 15:46.07 | Shirik | yes |
| 15:46.20 | foxlit | The chance may be described as "pathetically small", but it's there. |
| 15:46.31 | zenzelezz | I've made at least 20 Adamantite Rapiers (green) so far without going from 364 to 365 :-| |
| 15:46.42 | Shirik | but it's possible |
| 15:46.47 | zenzelezz | I'm too cheap to buy/kill for the items necessary for yellow crafts :-p |
| 15:46.54 | Shirik | well |
| 15:46.57 | Shirik | at the rate you're going |
| 15:46.59 | zenzelezz | aye, just wanted to make sure I wasn't fooling myself |
| 15:47.00 | Shirik | it may well become more expensive |
| 15:47.09 | zenzelezz | not likely, they vendor for 7g each |
| 15:47.15 | Shirik | ah, nice |
| 15:47.25 | zenzelezz | the only consolation :) |
| 15:48.17 | zenzelezz | if I don't soon get the skill-up I will probably go farm primals instead, for the harder crafts |
| 15:48.37 | zenzelezz | all this adamantite farming is giving me far too many primal earths :-| |
| 15:50.45 | foxlit | Send them to me, Heavy Clefthoof Boots don't make themselves |
| 15:51.24 | zenzelezz | if you're on EU-Silvermoon, sure |
| 15:51.34 | foxlit | EU-Emerald Dream :) |
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| 16:03.18 | leethal | it's not based on color, is it? |
| 16:03.30 | leethal | the color is just a "hint", it's based on what level the craft itself is or something like that |
| 16:03.37 | leethal | so, early green gives more skill than late green |
| 16:04.01 | Calliee | right |
| 16:04.27 | Calliee | just as early yellow gives more skill than about-to-expire yellow\ |
| 16:05.18 | zenzelezz | probably, but I still think 20 is closing in on too many without a skill-up |
| 16:07.29 | Calliee | that item prolly expires to grey at 365 |
| 16:07.37 | zenzelezz | Thottbot says so |
| 16:07.54 | Calliee | you're most likely getting like 1% of what you need to skill up from each one |
| 16:08.46 | zenzelezz | so the craft system does remember that you already made some, even if it didn't skill up? |
| 16:09.03 | Calliee | I have no real evedence either way actually |
| 16:09.08 | Calliee | *evidence |
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| 16:09.36 | Shirik | I have evidence of the contrary |
| 16:09.41 | Shirik | i.e., it's simple random chance |
| 16:09.50 | Shirik | but, at 364, it's a pretty crappy chance |
| 16:09.54 | zenzelezz | I always assumed that |
| 16:10.06 | Calliee | if it's a percent chance, then it's a very low one, like 1% or 5% |
| 16:10.39 | Shirik | better than some other games I know :P |
| 16:11.27 | Calliee | I'd like to think that, because it's skill, everything you make contributes to gaining a point (like skilling up in The Sims) but it would be alot easier from a coding standpoint to use a weighted percent function |
| 16:11.48 | Shirik | the problem comes in when you think about the fact |
| 16:12.10 | Shirik | that you can move from 362-363 by making 10 of an item, and then 363-364 by making just 1 more |
| 16:12.25 | zenzelezz | aye, good point |
| 16:12.46 | Shirik | which, while it is still theoretically possible that it's like gaining experience on a skill |
| 16:13.00 | Shirik | the method to do such a thing while making the above true is completely illogical |
| 16:13.06 | Shirik | which proves to me enough that it's a random chance |
| 16:13.18 | Calliee | and highly improbable |
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| 16:24.30 | hugo546 | lo |
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| 16:54.18 | zenzelezz | woot, finally got the point |
| 16:54.38 | Shirik | grats lol |
| 16:54.44 | Shirik | it only took an hour |
| 16:56.09 | zenzelezz | if you knew how many hours I've spent farming adamantite ore the last few days :-p |
| 16:56.16 | Shirik | haha |
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| 17:26.22 | sysrage | http://games.slashdot.org/games/07/04/10/1249210.shtml |
| 17:26.39 | Kirkburn | I assume everyone has seen the 2.1.0 stuff now? It looks AWESOME |
| 17:27.04 | cogwheel|work | zomgoggles |
| 17:27.20 | cogwheel|work | i'm glad I didn't ditch engineering :) |
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| 17:29.18 | Kirkburn | cogwheel|work, heh |
| 17:29.24 | Shirik | interesting info: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=93032551&postId=930146591&sid=1#0 |
| 17:29.25 | Kirkburn | I'm not talking about the professions stuff |
| 17:29.34 | Shirik | oh |
| 17:29.36 | Kirkburn | I'm talking about the new solo and group content |
| 17:29.37 | Kirkburn | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/underdev/ |
| 17:29.37 | Shirik | so I'm like... |
| 17:29.40 | Shirik | behind the times |
| 17:29.41 | Shirik | I'll go away now |
| 17:30.00 | Kirkburn | The comment was to cogwheel|work anyway :P |
| 17:30.11 | Shirik | I know but the fact that you said that means that I'm behind >< |
| 17:30.17 | Shirik | as usual |
| 17:30.20 | Kirkburn | I'm pretty excited by the fishing changes mysekf |
| 17:30.27 | Shirik | My fishing is stuck at 2 |
| 17:30.49 | cogwheel|work | I usually get mine up to about 20-25 when I start a new toon to twink my cooking |
| 17:31.02 | cogwheel|work | didn't work very well on my draenei :( no fishing recipes in the newbie areas there |
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| 17:47.44 | Shirik | class time, see you all in a bit |
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| 17:57.58 | zenzelezz | vewy well, I shall welease Bwian |
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| 18:18.06 | foxlit | Why does model:SetCamera(0); sometimes cause model to reset to full-body view? |
| 18:20.38 | leethal | addons can't cast buffs, right? |
| 18:20.51 | leethal | I can't go "recast battle shout whet battle shout fades"? No way? |
| 18:21.35 | zenzelezz | they can cast buffs, but during combat there are restrictions |
| 18:22.21 | leethal | hmm |
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| 18:30.52 | leethal | it's on wowwiki I guess? |
| 18:36.02 | leethal | struggling to find it =/ |
| 18:36.52 | cogwheel|work | leethal: check out the stickies on the UI & Macros forum |
| 18:36.59 | leethal | ah, thanks |
| 18:37.06 | cogwheel|work | you have to use secure buttons and there has to be user input |
| 18:38.03 | leethal | I see |
| 18:38.13 | leethal | so, when battle shout fades, I could have a button appear that the user has to click? |
| 18:38.19 | cogwheel|work | nope |
| 18:38.23 | cogwheel|work | well, visually, yes |
| 18:38.32 | cogwheel|work | but you can't change clickability in combat |
| 18:38.39 | Cide | you can |
| 18:38.40 | leethal | bah |
| 18:38.43 | Cide | :Enable() :Disable() |
| 18:38.51 | Cide | I think works? |
| 18:38.57 | cogwheel|work | but the button's still there |
| 18:38.59 | Cide | yeah |
| 18:39.01 | cogwheel|work | and doesn't allow mouse through |
| 18:39.06 | Cide | you can't make it click through, true |
| 18:43.20 | leethal | you can't do -anything- to a protected frame in combat using LUA? |
| 18:43.25 | leethal | not even hide/show it? |
| 18:43.50 | zenzelezz | that's the purpose |
| 18:44.41 | leethal | reasonable enough =) |
| 18:44.49 | Cide | you can do some stuff |
| 18:44.50 | [Ammo] | you can alpha it out |
| 18:44.54 | [Ammo] | and make it not cickable |
| 18:44.56 | leethal | ooh =) |
| 18:45.00 | [Ammo] | but it'll still capture the mouse |
| 18:45.02 | cogwheel|work | can't make it not clickable |
| 18:45.07 | cogwheel|work | err yeah that |
| 18:45.11 | [Ammo] | you can make the associated function not work |
| 18:45.58 | Cide | a better approach then is just to always have it clickable, but change alpha depending on if you have battle shout or not |
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| 18:46.19 | Cide | (in my opinion anyway!) |
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| 18:47.40 | leethal | mm, good idea |
| 18:47.58 | leethal | and a drop down choosing between battle and commanding shout |
| 18:49.44 | cogwheel|work | you'll have to use a state header for that to work in combat, btw |
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| 18:52.08 | foxlit | You know, you can :Disable() buttons in combat. |
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| 18:53.15 | foxlit | Quote what you're pointing to, tbh. |
| 18:53.40 | cogwheel|work | Cide>you can |
| 18:53.42 | cogwheel|work | <Cide>:Enable() :Disable() |
| 18:54.25 | foxlit | Alright :) |
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| 18:59.30 | foxlit | Anyone seen anything neat handling assigning buff rounds? |
| 19:05.53 | cogwheel|work | Public Service Announcement: http://news.zdnet.co.uk/itmanagement/0,1000000308,39273376,00.htm |
| 19:05.56 | cogwheel|work | :P |
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| 19:29.46 | leethal | if I go if something == "foo" return true end - will it be false if something isn't "foo"? |
| 19:30.02 | leethal | uhm |
| 19:30.31 | leethal | that if something == "foo" return true end is inside a function. will running that function return false if "something" isn't "foo"? |
| 19:31.20 | pastamancer | why not just: return something == "foo" |
| 19:31.41 | leethal | ah |
| 19:35.48 | cogwheel|work | leethal: if you don't return anything, nothing will be returned |
| 19:36.01 | cogwheel|work | if you use that "nothing" as a boolean value, it's considered false. |
| 19:36.14 | leethal | ah |
| 19:36.32 | leethal | I'm used to ruby, where the last thing evaluated is returned |
| 19:36.41 | leethal | unless you specify what to return using the return keyword, that is |
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| 19:37.33 | cogwheel|work | in essence, the answer to your original question is "yes", though pastamancer's suggestion is more elegant |
| 19:38.49 | Legorol | the answer to the original question is "no", it's not "false" that is returned, but "nil" |
| 19:38.54 | Legorol | false ~= nil |
| 19:39.20 | Legorol | and i am being pedantic :P |
| 19:39.24 | cogwheel|work | "in essence" :P |
| 19:39.30 | foxlit | nil ~= true <3 |
| 19:39.49 | Legorol | cogwheel|work, i don't beleive in giving semi-complete answers, and trying to guess at what the user might be trying to do |
| 19:39.56 | Legorol | i beleive in giving correct and accurate answers |
| 19:40.12 | cogwheel|work | which is what i did first |
| 19:40.15 | Legorol | imagine for example that, following your advice, leethal did something like: retvalue = functionClaa() |
| 19:40.23 | cogwheel|work | because, in fact, it does NOT return nil |
| 19:40.27 | cogwheel|work | it returns nothing |
| 19:40.29 | Legorol | if retvalue == false then i-got-false-return end |
| 19:40.39 | cogwheel|work | [12:36]<cogwheel|work>leethal: if you don't return anything, nothing will be returned |
| 19:40.44 | leethal | I made a IsClass("class_here") method |
| 19:40.48 | Legorol | cogwheel|work: true, that is even more accurate than my statement |
| 19:41.07 | Legorol | i just didn't want leethal to think that he can treat it as if the function returned false, because that won't always give the right answer |
| 19:41.19 | cogwheel|work | yep |
| 19:41.20 | leethal | but nil evaluates as false, I guess? |
| 19:41.26 | Legorol | nope, it doesn't |
| 19:41.31 | leethal | oh |
| 19:41.31 | Legorol | not in every situation, that's the whole point |
| 19:41.35 | cogwheel|work | when used in a logical expression |
| 19:42.17 | Legorol | got to be a bit more careful than that |
| 19:42.34 | Legorol | an expression whose final result is supposed to be boolean, will be converted to false if it's final result is nil |
| 19:42.44 | Legorol | but for example this: if nil == false then blah blah end |
| 19:42.48 | Legorol | will not do blah blah |
| 19:43.42 | leethal | I see, thanks |
| 19:44.10 | cogwheel|work | but for the most part you don't directly compare to false like that unless you specifically want to differentiate from nils |
| 19:44.35 | cogwheel|work | so if nil then blah end will function exactly the same as if false then blah end |
| 19:44.46 | Legorol | that is true |
| 19:45.42 | Legorol | it functions the same, but is slightly different, the first case carries an implicit type-cast |
| 19:46.26 | Legorol | When explaining how nil behaves in logical expressions, I like to tell people to think about it like this: |
| 19:46.49 | Legorol | think about how the string "boo" behaves in a logical expression instead |
| 19:47.01 | Legorol | e.g. if "boo" == true then blah blah end will not do blah blah |
| 19:47.11 | Legorol | if "boo" == flase then blah blah end will not do blah blah |
| 19:47.33 | Legorol | if "boo" then blah blah end will do blah blah, because "boo" (the string) is converted to true (boolean) |
| 19:47.47 | Shirik|Ecole | er |
| 19:47.52 | Shirik|Ecole | be careful with that statement |
| 19:48.12 | Shirik|Ecole | but yes |
| 19:48.24 | Legorol | nil works almost the same, except it's converted to false, instead of true |
| 19:48.46 | Legorol | and whilst most people have no trouble seeing how logical expressions would interact with the string "boo", they often have trouble seeing how nil interacts with them |
| 19:48.49 | Legorol | hence the analogy |
| 19:49.20 | Legorol | hehe no worries, we covered everything that's Lua |
| 19:49.25 | Legorol | the rest is how-to-teach-Lua |
| 19:49.31 | Shirik|Ecole | Really, the thing I don't like about Lua |
| 19:49.35 | Shirik|Ecole | is that 0 is true |
| 19:49.41 | Legorol | I actually love that! |
| 19:49.45 | Shirik|Ecole | which contradicts every other language I know |
| 19:49.46 | Legorol | It makes it so much more consistent |
| 19:49.56 | Shirik|Ecole | and it causes hours of debugging for me all the time :( |
| 19:50.10 | Legorol | that's just because you carry baggage with you from C ;-) |
| 19:50.22 | cogwheel|work | conformity < consistency imo |
| 19:50.25 | Shirik|Ecole | yeah I've just used C wayyy too long |
| 19:50.28 | Legorol | why would an integer have to carry any significance as a boolean value |
| 19:50.34 | Legorol | i like that thinking |
| 19:50.44 | Shirik|Ecole | because |
| 19:50.52 | Shirik|Ecole | in C, there isn't really any such thing as a "Boolean" value |
| 19:50.58 | Legorol | but that is C |
| 19:50.59 | Shirik|Ecole | true is non-zero, and false is zero |
| 19:51.07 | Shirik|Ecole | right, and this is why it catches me off guard :( |
| 19:51.10 | Legorol | Lua has a boolean type, which is entirely separate from integer |
| 19:51.20 | cogwheel|work | interesting enough, if nil then blah() end compiles to the same bytecode as if false then blah() end :P |
| 19:51.21 | Legorol | and it's good that it does, becuase they are conceptually different things |
| 19:51.46 | Shirik|Ecole | cogwheel|work: A smart compiler would make the bytecode nothing |
| 19:51.47 | Legorol | cogwheel|work: that's interesting, i wonder if the compiler is doing any optimizitaion |
| 19:51.55 | Shirik|Ecole | because it would never get executed anyway :P |
| 19:52.08 | cogwheel|work | :P |
| 19:52.09 | Legorol | i wonder what the compiler does with if f() then blah end |
| 19:52.19 | Shirik|Ecole | I think, actually, my C compiler would complain "unreachable code" there |
| 19:53.03 | Legorol | cogwheel|work: can you try to compile if nil == true then blah() end |
| 19:53.26 | Shirik|Ecole | right, this beeping's annoyin |
| 19:53.29 | Shirik|Ecole | I'll be back in about 20 |
| 19:53.32 | Shirik|Ecole | take care :) |
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| 19:54.23 | cogwheel|work | i have to leave in a sec... |
| 19:54.45 | Legorol | hmmm, how do i see what bytecode it compiles to |
| 19:54.50 | cogwheel|work | luac |
| 19:54.50 | Legorol | i don't see a sensible option to luac |
| 19:55.01 | Legorol | you mean you looked at raw binary? |
| 19:55.07 | cogwheel|work | oh... i'm just opening luac.out with a hex editor >< |
| 19:55.21 | Legorol | fairy nuff |
| 19:58.38 | cogwheel|away | http://www.geocities.com/keinhong/chunkspy.html |
| 20:00.00 | leethal | I'm struggling to find a good LUA editor on windows |
| 20:00.27 | leethal | B:Lua seems pretty nice, but it's an alpha release with looots of bugs =l |
| 20:00.39 | cogwheel|away | Scite-WoWInterface |
| 20:00.53 | cogwheel|away | (on wowinterface.com) |
| 20:03.06 | foxlit | blizzards should fix their icons to use the same style already |
| 20:04.42 | krka | luac -l lego |
| 20:04.59 | krka | and the lua compiler doesn't really optimize anything at all |
| 20:05.08 | krka | i also recommend ChunkSpy to inspect lua bytecode |
| 20:09.56 | Shirik | leethal: I'm with cogwheel|away, SciTE |
| 20:11.43 | leethal | trying it now |
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| 20:25.31 | foxlit | only druids, paladins, priests and mages have useful raid buffs? |
| 20:26.12 | Shirik | TSA? |
| 20:26.19 | Shirik | unless you don't really call that a "bufF" since it's an aura |
| 20:26.44 | foxlit | Can't really assign people to buff auras :) |
| 20:27.32 | Calliee | well, you can tell each pally wich aura to use, so that you don't get all of them with the same aura |
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| 20:35.38 | Shadowed | foxlit: Commanding Shout |
| 20:39.09 | foxlit | Works, but not quite |
| 20:39.44 | foxlit | warriors should just be doing it anyway, so it's all fine :) |
| 20:39.49 | zenzelezz | I disagree |
| 20:40.04 | zenzelezz | we tend to have a warrior in the DPS team, for BS |
| 20:46.22 | Cide | you put hunters with tsa along with other dps |
| 20:46.49 | Cide | but you can't assign it other than with group makeup, if that's what you're saying |
| 20:58.02 | Beladona | bbl |
| 21:01.36 | foxlit | Basically, it makes sense to regulate buffing of mages, priests, paladins and druids, but not anyone else |
| 21:02.25 | foxlit | everything else should be handled through /p and proper group selection by the raid leader. |
| 21:05.40 | Gryphen | nub is used by those who dont understand pronounciations |
| 21:05.52 | Gryphen | ;) |
| 21:06.22 | Gryphen | wrong chan, but same peeps :) |
| 21:06.33 | Gryphen | im such a nub |
| 21:06.41 | cogwheel|work | 'cept me :P |
| 21:06.45 | zenzelezz | or humorously by those who know pronounciation |
| 21:07.00 | Shirik | or those who don't know how to spell pronunciation |
| 21:07.07 | cogwheel|work | >< |
| 21:07.40 | zenzelezz | I'm Norwegian, I spell English words however I want |
| 21:07.55 | Shirik | Gryphen spelled it incorrectly as well :P |
| 21:07.57 | Gryphen | well i dont know how, so i dont use nub :) |
| 21:09.58 | Kirkburn | Request! Poke at/update http://www.wowwiki.com/Interface_Customization ... please! |
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| 21:10.14 | zenzelezz | why does pronounce become pronunciation? Stupid English language |
| 21:10.15 | Kirkburn | A wizard's staff has a knob on the end. |
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| 21:20.34 | leethal | any suggestions on how to get started on creating GUI stuff? |
| 21:20.39 | leethal | secure templates and all that |
| 21:20.58 | foxlit | Decide on a problem you want to solve |
| 21:21.02 | cogwheel|work | depends on where you stand atm |
| 21:21.56 | cogwheel|work | If you want a quick tutorial on XML, check out http://fara.webeddie.com/frames/ |
| 21:22.02 | cogwheel|work | s/XML/WoW XML/ |
| 21:23.03 | cogwheel|work | if you already have a basic understanding of the UI system (not just the API) check out Mairelon's sticky on the UI & Macros forum for a guide to state headers & secure buttons |
| 21:24.54 | Legorol | I'd go for "Hello World!": create a frame with a button, that when you press, prints "Hello World!" to the chat frame |
| 21:25.33 | foxlit | FrameXML/SecureTemplates.lua is also well-documented if you need help with secure frames specifically |
| 21:31.57 | sysrage | whoever decided hello world should be the basic learner program should be shot |
| 21:33.58 | Bleeter | hello world as a basic learner is fine, it's the singular simple version of it that's the problem. |
| 21:34.21 | cogwheel|work | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hello_world_program |
| 21:34.35 | cogwheel|work | "The first known instance of the usage of the words "hello" and "world" together in computer literature occurred earlier, in Kernighan's 1972 Tutorial Introduction to the Language B," |
| 21:35.03 | sysrage | B! |
| 21:35.41 | Bleeter | yes, there should be an incredibly hideous and complex 'hello world' GUI version for wow :) |
| 21:35.57 | zenzelezz | they probably considered "Goodbye world", but it didn't have the same ring |
| 21:36.30 | sysrage | Goodbye Cruel World would be more fitting for many languages |
| 21:37.06 | zenzelezz | hello perl, goodbye world |
| 21:42.14 | leethal | help needed.. weird bug, absolutely no idea what causes it. http://wowi.pastey.net/11490 |
| 21:42.52 | leethal | when I go afk, and this.is_AFK is true, it starts printing out like hell, probably 3-4 times a second, and I don't get any incoming whispers |
| 21:43.19 | leethal | the name in question is a real player too, which I never whispered nor whispered me |
| 21:43.25 | leethal | and the name is the same across sessions |
| 21:43.30 | leethal | totally, totally weird |
| 21:44.11 | leethal | so, basically, when I use that commented line in afktimer_IncomingWhisper(), the addon starts spamming that player with whispers as soon as I go AFK |
| 21:44.20 | cogwheel|work | FYI: assuming what code is relevant isn't a good idea :P |
| 21:44.34 | cogwheel|work | shot in the dark: does afktimer_Print use SendChatMessage? |
| 21:44.54 | cogwheel|work | or is that the entire file? |
| 21:45.07 | cogwheel|work | (scratch that) |
| 21:45.32 | leethal | afktimer_Print is just a DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(text) |
| 21:45.40 | zenzelezz | "if this.is_AFK then" -- does Lua check for the existence of the variable or the value? |
| 21:45.54 | leethal | hm, no idea =P |
| 21:46.15 | cogwheel|work | zenzelezz: this is always an object when an event handler is fired |
| 21:46.33 | cogwheel|work | and this.is_AFK will be nill if it's not set |
| 21:46.42 | cogwheel|work | s/nill/nil/ |
| 21:46.47 | zenzelezz | I see |
| 21:46.53 | leethal | anyway.. even if it checks for the variables existence, how come it runs that function at all when I don't get any whispers? |
| 21:46.59 | zenzelezz | Lua's whole false/nil/true thing keeps confusing me |
| 21:47.02 | leethal | did I misinterpret CHAT_MSG_WHISPER somehow? |
| 21:47.33 | cogwheel|work | you don't set this.is_AFK to false anywhere... |
| 21:47.45 | leethal | still.. why does the function get run in the first place? |
| 21:47.48 | leethal | and it's set to false, yes |
| 21:48.19 | cogwheel|work | i don't know |
| 21:48.25 | leethal | anyway, does it matter? |
| 21:48.34 | cogwheel|work | that's why i said "assuming what code is relevant isn't a good idea" |
| 21:48.39 | leethal | perhaps posting the OnUpdate code is a good idea |
| 21:48.43 | leethal | well, I gotta assume something =P |
| 21:48.56 | leethal | loudthinking ftw! |
| 21:49.11 | cogwheel|work | nah... just pastey the whole file and highlight what you think is relevant (with 3 @@@s in front of the lines) |
| 21:50.27 | leethal | http://wowi.pastey.net/11492?lang=lua |
| 21:51.12 | leethal | permission to laugh at my LUA granted =P |
| 21:52.43 | leethal | sorry for being cocky btw, just trying to be funny |
| 21:52.53 | cogwheel|work | hmm? |
| 21:53.49 | leethal | =P |
| 21:54.00 | cogwheel|work | Not related to your question, but your OnUpdate code is incorrect |
| 21:54.21 | leethal | woot! It's not doing that when Elkano's ItemDB is disabled =/ |
| 21:54.31 | leethal | cogwheel|work: fire at will =) |
| 21:54.40 | Elkano | hmm? |
| 21:54.48 | cogwheel|work | You should be adding the time_since_last_update instead of 1 to your total_seconds |
| 21:55.30 | leethal | Elkano: yeah.. hmmm! |
| 21:55.43 | Shirik | woot |
| 21:55.44 | Shirik | I feel special now |
| 21:56.10 | leethal | Elkano: you're not by any chance using afktimer_IncomingWhisper() in your OnUpdates there? =P |
| 21:56.19 | cogwheel|work | ~nickometer Et3rNitY |
| 21:56.24 | leethal | Shirik: =) |
| 21:56.38 | leethal | :O |
| 21:56.41 | Shirik | what's nickometer? |
| 21:56.45 | Shirik | ~nickometer Shirik |
| 21:56.50 | Shirik | purl, I love you |
| 21:56.55 | purl | You love you? |
| 21:56.58 | cogwheel|work | ~nickometer |FF|Im2good4u |
| 21:57.06 | zenzelezz | lol |
| 21:57.17 | Shirik | let me guess, it detects the amount of script kiddiness in the name? |
| 21:57.37 | cogwheel|work | http://supybot.sourceforge.net/docs/plugins/Nickometer.html |
| 21:57.44 | Shirik | ~nickometer r0flzipwnz0rj00 |
| 21:57.48 | Elkano | leethal, with 2.1 comming soon I'll have to recode some parts of ItemDB anyways and I'll most likely switch to AceCom for that stuff |
| 21:57.50 | Shirik | yup |
| 21:58.31 | leethal | Elkano: isn't it kinda weird though that your addon can interfere with other addons like this in the first plate? My guess is that my code is weird, and by chance screws up your addon. |
| 21:58.52 | cogwheel|work | ANYWAY.... leethal another observation: you can change all your this.variables to locals to get a slight performance improvement |
| 21:59.06 | Shirik | Lack of global namespace pollution would minimize conflicts! |
| 21:59.18 | leethal | cogwheel|work: ah.. yeah, I used to have them local actually. Recently recoded the whole thing in an attempt to fix this weird bug |
| 21:59.22 | leethal | cogwheel|work: thanks for the heads up =) |
| 21:59.37 | Shirik | not that that's the problem here, but... just saying |
| 21:59.47 | cogwheel|work | And also using the new local variable architecture of the event handlers |
| 21:59.55 | Shirik | aye |
| 22:00.02 | leethal | hmm |
| 22:00.03 | Shirik | which is, I believe, deprecated now |
| 22:00.14 | Shirik | (not doing so is deprecated) |
| 22:00.52 | leethal | I usually use Dongle for addons, but I couldn't figure out how to make a moveable frame using Dongle. So tbh I have no idea how to do stuff when you do it "from scratch" |
| 22:01.18 | cladhaire | Dongle has nothing to do with frames.. which is probably why you couldn't figure it out =/ |
| 22:01.20 | cladhaire | are you sure you mean dongle? |
| 22:01.58 | Shirik | CreateFrame(), SetMovable, and a few other little fun things ^^ |
| 22:02.05 | cogwheel|work | You don't need to do it all from scratch... |
| 22:02.29 | cogwheel|work | You can still use a framework for your underlying code and design your frames in XML |
| 22:02.53 | cladhaire | *nod* |
| 22:03.02 | cladhaire | see PerfectRaid/Cliqeu |
| 22:03.12 | leethal | ah |
| 22:03.13 | cladhaire | using XML and lua for goodness |
| 22:03.14 | cogwheel|work | and BuyDropper :) |
| 22:03.16 | leethal | I'll just do that then |
| 22:03.34 | leethal | cladhaire: dongle, yes |
| 22:03.46 | leethal | cladhaire: http://tankalert.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/tankalert.lua for instance |
| 22:04.04 | leethal | Shirik: woot you have credits there too =P |
| 22:04.04 | cladhaire | k k =) |
| 22:04.08 | cladhaire | you should hop in #dongle, lol |
| 22:04.17 | leethal | woha |
| 22:04.39 | zenzelezz | sounds like a lot of people like playing with your dongle, clad |
| 22:04.53 | cogwheel|work | roflcoptor |
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| 22:06.06 | cladhaire | *cackle* |
| 22:06.24 | leethal | I used to use ACE |
| 22:06.34 | leethal | but I never used anything besides chat command, event handling and database stuff |
| 22:06.37 | leethal | so dongle ftw |
| 22:07.19 | cladhaire | I have 1.0 almost ready |
| 22:07.24 | cladhaire | *shrug* |
| 22:07.38 | Fin | hehe |
| 22:07.40 | Fin | Dongle... comes up... |
| 22:07.45 | cladhaire | lol |
| 22:09.15 | leethal | so, a tiny performance boost update thingie added. http://tankalert.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/tankalert.lua |
| 22:09.22 | leethal | it's still going wild when I'm afk though =( |
| 22:10.03 | cogwheel|work | leethal: if an addon is using "hidden" whispers to communicate, then you're probably getting a lot of whispers you don't even "know" about |
| 22:10.39 | leethal | it's not using hidden whispers (is it?) |
| 22:10.39 | cogwheel|work | ask Elkano :P |
| 22:10.39 | leethal | it's just whispering someone when I'm afk, telling them how long I've been afk |
| 22:11.48 | zenzelezz | echo every CHAT_MSG_WHISPER, see what it is |
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| 22:11.50 | leethal | hmm.. how? |
| 22:12.09 | leethal | if event == "CHAT_MSG_WHISPER" then echo end or something? |
| 22:12.09 | cogwheel|work | just print all the args in your event handler |
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| 22:12.29 | leethal | yeah.. that's strangeness.. |
| 22:12.34 | leethal | I get item links O_o |
| 22:12.38 | zenzelezz | see? |
| 22:12.42 | cogwheel|work | told you so |
| 22:12.43 | leethal | probably from the item db somehow |
| 22:12.51 | cogwheel|work | that's what I've been trying to say :P |
| 22:13.05 | zenzelezz | there's an annoying amount of addons that use hidden whispers |
| 22:13.19 | cogwheel|work | in 2.1 it'll be better |
| 22:13.21 | leethal | aha! |
| 22:13.22 | leethal | silly me |
| 22:13.33 | cogwheel|work | since they're adding "WHISPER" to SendAddonMessage |
| 22:13.43 | leethal | the addon use hidden whispers, and because it does, the CHAT_MSG_WHISPER event is launched every time thad addon does? |
| 22:14.27 | cogwheel|work | yep |
| 22:14.45 | leethal | how can I detect when I actually get a whisper? |
| 22:15.00 | zenzelezz | the answer is obvious... chat_msg_whisper |
| 22:15.09 | zenzelezz | the fact that mods swallow them don't mean they don't happen |
| 22:15.19 | cogwheel|work | leethal: the problem is that you actually *are* getting whispers |
| 22:15.26 | leethal | ah, of course |
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| 22:15.53 | leethal | so, I have to know which addon uses hidden whispers and, uhm, filter them out somehow? |
| 22:15.58 | cogwheel|work | you're probably going to have to get fairly hackish |
| 22:16.09 | leethal | =( |
| 22:16.50 | cogwheel|work | there might be some way to securely hook :AddMessage and compare the color information to "WHISPER"'s color |
| 22:17.10 | leethal | but that won't work if someone made their whispers green? |
| 22:17.52 | cogwheel|work | it would |
| 22:18.01 | Shirik | what's a "hidden whisper" ? |
| 22:18.05 | cogwheel|work | you'd compare the color being sent to AddMessage to what color whispers should be |
| 22:18.10 | cogwheel|work | Shirik: scroll up :P |
| 22:18.26 | zenzelezz | Shirik: mods hijacking the function that prints whispers and not calling it for their own whispers |
| 22:19.13 | Shirik | well I'm confused, but I think I'm just too tired to understand anything right now |
| 22:19.17 | Mike-N-Go | Data that is unintelligible to the human eye, but an AddOn can understand and interrupt? |
| 22:19.28 | foxlit | Slouken did a 180 on SendAddonMessage and "WHISPER"? |
| 22:19.40 | zenzelezz | Shirik: consider it like your spouse filtering your mailbox |
| 22:19.45 | cogwheel|work | leethal: ChatTypeInfo["WHISPER"].r ChatTypeInfo["WHISPER"].g ChatTypeInfo["WHISPER"].b |
| 22:19.47 | foxlit | Pretty sure I remember something about not allowing it for potential performance issues with poor design |
| 22:19.47 | zenzelezz | without telling you |
| 22:20.06 | cogwheel|work | foxlit: see the upcoming 2.1 changes thread |
| 22:20.10 | foxlit | I did. |
| 22:20.18 | foxlit | Wonder why. |
| 22:20.39 | cogwheel|work | to allow addons to communicate by whispers without being throttled by the new spam throttling |
| 22:21.19 | cogwheel|work | DongleStub sounds like a botched circumcision |
| 22:21.29 | pastamancer | Hedwig and the Angry Inch? |
| 22:22.08 | Bleeter | http://blogs.sun.com/jonathan/entry/rock_arrived mmm chewy |
| 22:22.11 | Bleeter | gah, wrong # |
| 22:23.50 | foxlit | US forums: "Light Weight Auctioneer Replacement?" |
| 22:23.54 | foxlit | Silly <3 |
| 22:24.36 | leethal | is anyone using http://ui.worldofwar.net? |
| 22:24.52 | Bleeter | foxlit: huh? well, auc5.0 is gunna be lightweight! :P |
| 22:24.53 | cogwheel|work | i stopped a while back |
| 22:24.56 | leethal | I'm posting my addons on wowi and curse, will that make people hate me? |
| 22:24.56 | zenzelezz | I'm sure someone does |
| 22:25.10 | cogwheel|work | leethal: only the people at worldofwar :P |
| 22:25.21 | leethal | =P |
| 22:25.22 | cogwheel|work | after I announced I would no longer be updating there, they removed the pages >< |
| 22:25.47 | zenzelezz | heh |
| 22:25.49 | leethal | O_o |
| 22:25.58 | zenzelezz | "That'll teach him!" |
| 22:26.10 | leethal | wowi is seriously nice after the updates |
| 22:26.16 | leethal | new search rocks |
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| 22:28.06 | leethal | only thing that bugs me now is if that you click on a column to sort the list (in a list of addons in category X for instance), they're sorted ascending instead of descending |
| 22:28.15 | leethal | should've been descending on the download column at least |
| 22:30.54 | leethal | now, to continue my monologue: I'm looking for Than Simple Addon or That Nice Tutorial about using lua to create frames, and in that context creating secure frames (i hate using xml -_-) |
| 22:31.11 | leethal | That Simple Addon could also be That Well Written Addon |
| 22:32.51 | cogwheel|work | Mairelon's sticky on the UI & Macros forum |
| 22:33.27 | leethal | hmm, nothing |
| 22:33.34 | leethal | oh, I'm looking at the european forum |
| 22:36.26 | leethal | what is a state header? =/ |
| 22:37.35 | Fin | (I can't answer that question adequately) |
| 22:37.55 | Fin | (for the record) |
| 22:38.56 | Fin | (33rpm) |
| 22:39.50 | Fin | (dig?) |
| 22:40.17 | cogwheel|work | hmm... maybe that one's a bit too advanced... |
| 22:40.34 | cogwheel|work | See how far you get reading SecureTemplates.lua... |
| 22:40.46 | cogwheel|work | (it's thoroughly commented) |
| 22:43.49 | Shirik | heh |
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| 22:43.53 | Shirik | "what is a state header" |
| 22:44.06 | Shirik | answer: something many people wish was never invented |
| 22:44.15 | Shirik | on the other hand it does let you do some really cool stuff |
| 22:44.33 | leethal | =P |
| 22:44.35 | Shirik | but they can be kinda ugly |
| 22:45.08 | cogwheel|work | they'll be less ugly in 2.1 after the macro option unification :) |
| 22:45.23 | Shirik | ex: btn:SetAttribute("statebutton","0:S0;1:S1;2:S2;3:S3;4:S4;5:S5") |
| 22:45.43 | Fin | bless you |
| 22:45.46 | cogwheel|work | a state header lets you change the way a secure button behaves based on various "states" |
| 22:46.01 | cogwheel|work | like stance, modifier keys, etc. |
| 22:46.36 | cogwheel|work | you can also make state changes with mouseover, holding a button, clicking a button, etc. |
| 22:46.46 | cogwheel|work | using the various templates in SecureTemplates.xml |
| 22:47.41 | leethal | ah |
| 22:48.26 | cogwheel|work | But the frames that initiate state changes must be secure templates themselves |
| 22:48.36 | foxlit | Point is, they enable you to change the way securebuttons behave even while protected. |
| 22:50.44 | leethal | so much I don't know heh |
| 22:51.02 | leethal | I'll do the good old copy-pasting code and see what happens for a while first, then read some tutorials |
| 22:51.19 | leethal | http://augustlilleaas.tumblr.com/post/149989 btw |
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| 22:57.33 | Legorol | all right, i'm in mood for some Lua (this time for all the good reasons), what do i need to look for on leethal's paste? |
| 22:57.47 | leethal | Legorol: think it's sorted =/ |
| 22:58.03 | leethal | Legorol: the thing was that if another addon used hidden whispers to communicate, my addon fucked up |
| 22:58.04 | cogwheel|work | the problem was a bunch of hidden incoming whispers |
| 22:58.20 | Legorol | meh, i'm not interested in solved problems ;_) |
| 22:58.33 | leethal | I think cogwheel|work explained how to do a workaround too =) |
| 22:58.43 | leethal | but in desperation I just removed the whole whispering functionality |
| 22:58.45 | cogwheel|work | Legorol: find a way to calculate an arbitrary digit of pi in constant time... |
| 22:59.26 | leethal | Legorol: figure out how to divide a geometrical angle in three (without measuring, of course) |
| 22:59.42 | leethal | in three equally large pieces, that is |
| 23:00.11 | Legorol | meh, i'm also not interested in insoluble problems ;-) |
| 23:00.33 | leethal | find out why domain verification takes so damn long in google apps =( |
| 23:00.43 | Legorol | cogwheel|work: i may not be able to do that, but i fyou like, i can quote the first 28 or so digits from memory.. |
| 23:00.52 | Legorol | pretty darn useful when you are setting up the constants in your code |
| 23:00.54 | leethal | find out why I write silly english and don't care proof reading it |
| 23:00.55 | cladhaire | leethal: it was really quick easy time i did it |
| 23:01.12 | cogwheel|work | i have it memorized to 3.14159265358979323846264338327950 |
| 23:01.28 | leethal | cladhaire: It's been saying "this may take 48 hours to complete" for 3-4 days now =/ |
| 23:01.35 | leethal | guess I'll spam the google group |
| 23:01.39 | cladhaire | i think you can force it? |
| 23:02.09 | leethal | hmm.. all I get is choosing between HTML file and CNAME record, and then click "verify" |
| 23:02.21 | leethal | when I click verify, I still get the 48 hours message |
| 23:02.46 | cladhaire | i did the html and had no issues |
| 23:03.09 | leethal | just a .html with the text itself, right? No html tags or content types or whatever? |
| 23:03.25 | cladhaire | yeah |
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| 23:11.42 | Legorol | cogwheel|work: wow, that's about the same for me (on the pi memorization) |
| 23:12.06 | Legorol | i think it continues as 281, but that's how far i knkow |
| 23:12.41 | cogwheel|work | I intend to memorize 7 more digits every pi day (or more depending on how much is necessary to avoid rounding :P) |
| 23:13.32 | Cide | every pi day.. is that a specific day or every 3.1415.. days? |
| 23:13.44 | cogwheel|work | March 14 |
| 23:13.55 | cladhaire | us crazy us-ians :P |
| 23:13.56 | Cide | speaking of pi... |
| 23:14.01 | Cide | http://www.math.utah.edu/~palais/pi.html |
| 23:14.01 | cladhaire | and our ddmmyyyy =) |
| 23:15.00 | Legorol | ddmmyyyy is clearly superior |
| 23:15.12 | Legorol | cogwheel|work: i used to know exactly 100 digits, as part of a bet |
| 23:15.19 | cogwheel|work | hehe |
| 23:15.38 | Legorol | friend and I came across this site that claimed to have a good mnemonic for memorizing pi |
| 23:15.48 | Legorol | i thought it's interesting, could work, friend thought it's useless |
| 23:15.59 | Legorol | so the bet was that i had a lunch-break (bit over an hour) to memorize 100 digits |
| 23:16.01 | Cide | ddmmyyyy > mmddyyyy |
| 23:16.09 | Legorol | yay, even Cide agrees |
| 23:16.11 | cogwheel|work | agreed |
| 23:16.12 | cladhaire | yay =) |
| 23:16.27 | Cide | us uses the latter though, doesn't it? |
| 23:16.28 | cogwheel|work | but ddmmyyyy doesn't have a pi day :P |
| 23:16.31 | Legorol | although they both lack the effectiveness of yyyymmdd |
| 23:16.40 | cladhaire | no, U.S. is dd/mm//yyyy |
| 23:16.47 | Legorol | you can't usefully sort ddmmyyyy or mmddyyyy :/ |
| 23:16.49 | Cide | hmm, you sure? |
| 23:16.54 | cogwheel|work | cladhaire: you've got that wrong |
| 23:16.56 | Legorol | isn't us mmddyyyy? |
| 23:16.56 | cladhaire | oh no |
| 23:16.58 | cladhaire | yep |
| 23:16.59 | cladhaire | lol |
| 23:17.01 | Cide | ha |
| 23:17.05 | cladhaire | brain hurting =) |
| 23:17.17 | Legorol | Cide, you are not a fake afterall! |
| 23:17.28 | cladhaire | Cide is the real Ts! |
| 23:17.29 | cladhaire | *cackle* |
| 23:19.25 | cogwheel|work | that's very strange... if nil then blah() end compiles to a hard jump past blah(), the call to which is still compiled |
| 23:20.03 | cladhaire | i think that makes sense |
| 23:20.30 | cogwheel|work | if they're taking the time to optimize if nil then to a hard jump, then why bother compiling the contents? |
| 23:21.03 | cladhaire | because its still valid code |
| 23:21.16 | cladhaire | i'm not sure its an optimization, so much as the correct behavior for "if nil" |
| 23:21.27 | cladhaire | unless you'd prefer they load nil, and compare nil to nil? |
| 23:21.55 | Kirkburn | I will fix your date problem! Today is day zero! All previous days are negative, and tomorrow is day one. Years? Who needs years. |
| 23:22.03 | cogwheel|work | seems more consistent that way, imo |
| 23:22.17 | cladhaire | i suppose its a matter of perspective |
| 23:22.23 | Kirkburn | Oh yeah, and every 3rd day is a day of "GKBP" |
| 23:22.33 | cogwheel|work | cladhaire: hence "imo" |
| 23:22.34 | cogwheel|work | :P |
| 23:22.34 | cladhaire | yeah |
| 23:22.45 | Kirkburn | a.k.a. "Give Kirkburn Prezzies" |
| 23:22.46 | cladhaire | yours would be a waste at runtime, the current is just a waste at compile time, and a waste of space |
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| 23:23.00 | cogwheel|work | Kirkburn: we already have that only measured in seconds since 1/1/1970 :P |
| 23:23.20 | cogwheel|work | what I'd rather is that it compile to nothing :P |
| 23:23.34 | Kirkburn | cogwheel|work, that's a stupid idea. It doesn't involve me. |
| 23:23.46 | cogwheel|work | Whats your b-day? |
| 23:23.49 | cladhaire | as they've found.. optimization at this level, is a bad idea. Its already caused a bug in 5.1 |
| 23:23.52 | zenzelezz | that's what makes it a good idea Kirkburn |
| 23:23.56 | cladhaire | "optimization" i mean |
| 23:24.24 | cogwheel|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:24.28 | cogwheel|work | what bug would that be? |
| 23:24.38 | cladhaire | it was one where a nil assignment was being optimised away |
| 23:25.55 | cladhaire | cogwheel|work: http://www.lua.org/bugs.html#5.1.1 number 7 |
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