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00:14.31MentalPower~lart Tem
00:14.31purlacting on orders from an unspecified client drags Tem into court suing for $200 million
00:14.36Temlol
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01:39.05Iriel(Totally off topic from WoW but...) For anyone who has a large (1920 x 1200 )monitor and might want a new backdrop: http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/52762694/
01:40.08Adysooh
01:42.25CorrodiasNO LIKE MUSHROOMS
01:42.26CorrodiasOMG
01:43.34IrielIf you're mushroomaphobic I wouldn't click on the 'Full View' button
01:45.28cladhairehehe
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02:25.59Garoun|Loupanajust saw your mushroom Iriel, scary
02:28.27Shirikthat's a really good shot
02:28.31ShirikI love macro photography
02:30.09JoshBorkeanyone know where the easter eggs are?  just the general area
02:30.15JoshBorkefor stormwind
02:30.26JoshBorkenvm, found one
02:54.33Temyeah um
02:54.40Temraw mushrooms make me a little sick
02:54.46Temever since highschool biology
02:54.57Temour first "disection" was some mushrooms
02:55.19Tembut the smell of the whole classroom full of them made me "seriously" ill
02:58.30Temthough, I do agree it's a cool photo
02:58.42TemI require a new desktop background, too
02:59.03Temonly, one that doesn't make me remember... things I'd rather forget
03:08.20Tierriesnap
03:08.29Tierriei uninstalled medieval because i was tired of it
03:08.32Tierrienow i have nothing to play :(
03:08.34Tierriemaybe wow? :D
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04:34.17IrielAnother background for those who dont like mushrooms (only 1680 x 1050 tho) http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/52774774/
04:34.41IrielA much older photo, that one
04:50.53Shirikaaah! Raccoon!
04:51.07CairennI think it's cute :p
04:51.12IrielHere's another one http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/52775674/
04:51.22Shirikscary!!
04:52.24Cairennalso cute!
04:52.32IrielNah, they're cute, unless you suprise them
04:52.39ShirikI like my pictures, no scary animals
04:52.44Cairennor corner them
04:53.04Shiriknot scary: http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/7110231/?qo=11&q=by%3Adarkroommaster&qh=sort%3Atime+-in%3Ascraps
04:53.14Shirikalso not scary: http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/7110864/?qo=10&q=by%3Adarkroommaster&qh=sort%3Atime+-in%3Ascraps
04:53.40ShirikI really need to update my deviantart page
04:53.43Shirikit's about 3 years out of date
04:53.46Shirikit still says I'm 17 lol
04:54.12IrielI need to get some practice in with sunsets, they're tricky
04:54.20Shirikspot meters are the trick
04:54.21Shirikand bracketing
04:54.37Shirikyou can't rely on the camera's meter for them
04:54.42Cairennthose are great shots Shirik :)
04:54.44ShadowedThe first one is okay, but the last one Shirik looks pretty good
04:54.44IrielIndeed, I love my bracketing
04:54.48CairennLove the one with your folks!
04:54.52Shadowedthe detail is nice
04:54.58Shirikthanks :)
04:57.18ShadowedThe ad on that page is rather funny though, "You can be a Level 70 Night Elf Hunter...and still get a degree!"
04:57.18Nom-Shirik: You use a DigiCam now?
04:57.24Shiriknegative, I still use film
04:57.44Nom-Oh my shopping list for the "one day" pile is a digital SLI
04:57.50Nom-SLR even
04:58.00ShirikI've though about getting a digital SLR, and my mom has one I've been fiddling with
04:58.17IrielNom- : I've never looked back, and now there are even affordable ones 8-)
04:58.17Shirikbut I've had my maxxum 5 for about... 5 years maybe? And it's always treated me well
04:59.05Nom-Digital SLR with enough memory gives you a lot more freedom though
04:59.11Shirikhow so?
04:59.15Nom-If you have a laptop with you, then you've got effectively unlimited photos
04:59.25Shirikwith a big enough bag, I also have unlimited photos
04:59.38Nom-Yeah, but expensive :)
04:59.41IrielI've got a 2GB card in mine, that's about 700 pictures, and no cost if I shoot something junky
04:59.54Shirikwhat about multi-exposing shots?
05:00.00Shirikis it possible with a digital camera?
05:00.24Bleetererm, that's what GIMP and their ilk are for :P
05:00.25IrielNot really, but you can simulate many such things afterwards
05:00.32IrielYou're just moving the process
05:00.44Shirikthing is I like to play around sometimes just to see what results
05:00.59Shirikpushing film, multiexposures
05:01.18Bleeterthere's also the distinct lack of a high from fumes when processing in GIMP as opposed to a darkroom
05:01.31Shirikyeah, that sucks
05:01.34Shirikgood reason to use a darkroom
05:02.01Bleeterbest reason to use a darkroom is no one can argue with you when you scream 'do not enter, go away'
05:02.06Shiriklol
05:02.37Nom-Yeah, I wouldn't bother with a dark room personally :P
05:02.47Shirikit's actually not as hard as everyone makes it seem
05:02.51Nom-You can do so much with digital manipulation and a decent printer these days
05:03.00Shirikyeah but it's fun :P
05:03.13Shirikyou can't quantify everything by what you can do with it
05:03.17Nom-digital manipulation can be fun too :P
05:03.30Shirikdo you have to wear gloves when doing digital manipulation?
05:03.36Shirikand walk around the house like you're a mad scientist?
05:03.38Nom-No, but you can :P
05:04.01Nom-Well, anyone can walk around the house like they're a mad scientist
05:04.30Bleeteryou'd know! :P
05:04.35IrielThe only problem with digital SLR's thus far (the proper removable lens ones, anyway) is dust
05:04.43Shirikdust?
05:04.49IrielThough Canon (I think it's canon) have some interesting new things along that line
05:05.04IrielYeah, unlike film, where you get a new image sensor every shot, you only have one CCD
05:05.10BleeterIriel: so I've heard ('bout dust)
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05:05.12Shirikah right
05:05.25Irielif you're not careful (or, if you are, over a long enough period) it gets dust on it
05:05.28Shirikyeah I had to design a CCD for a satellite
05:05.30Shirikbut no dust in space :P
05:05.34Nom-There's still places for dust to collect on a regular SLR
05:05.40Irielthough it's not that hard to clean them, just a bit nerve wracking
05:05.46Nom-That's why you carry around a little duster thing
05:06.10Shiriktrue Nom- but dust on the CCD would have a much larger impact than dust on the mirror
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05:06.20Shirikor the lens
05:06.49Nom-Yeah, but you'd know about that dust after 1-2 photos assuming you go back and look
05:06.49IrielMy experience is that you hardly notice for pictures with lots of detail
05:07.00IrielIt's those plain blue california skies that get me all the time
05:07.14Nom-Whereas dust on a film SLR you won't necessarily know about for a week (or whenever you get the film developed)
05:07.27ShirikI've had my camera for 5 years and never had such a problem
05:07.37Shiriktake care of your equipment and it will take care of you
05:07.51JunkHead-WorkMorning guys.
05:07.56Mike-N-GoMornin'
05:07.58Nom-That statement can be taken on so many levels...
05:07.59Shirikmorning
05:08.14IrielI've only had to clean this one once.. MUCH more careful after the first dust incident
05:13.43Mike-N-GoMay someone look at my code? http://pastey.net/11150 I am having trouble, the PLAYER_LOGIN part is not getting ran on login..
05:14.24Mike-N-GoIf anyone may see what the problem is, please let me know.
05:16.11IrielHow do you know it's not running?
05:16.54IrielHave you actually tested AMDPrint?
05:17.06IrielBecause it shouldn't work the way you document it
05:17.15Mike-N-GoWell, at login, the table for saving the data on that server-faction is made.
05:17.21Mike-N-GoIf it does not exist.
05:17.37IrielIs it a saved variable?
05:17.54Shirikyou should put a DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(event) to ensure it's not actually being run
05:17.57ShirikI'm willing to bet it is ;)
05:18.05Mike-N-GoIt was working great.. I added a feature, and I think I broke something else.
05:18.16ShirikIriel's right you probably have corrupt SVs
05:18.24Shirikso they exist
05:18.27Shirikbut not in the way you expect
05:19.23Mike-N-GoIt does the part "<AMD> Welcome Cobble of Sisters of Elune-Horde"
05:20.15Mike-N-GoI don't think I described my problem correctly, I am rather new to coding, so I don't know the best way of doing thigns.
05:20.23Mike-N-Gothings*
05:21.07IrielSo, do you have any SavedVariables? Specifically AutoMailDirectorData
05:21.53Mike-N-GoBy saying, "Not being run." I mean it does not perform the intended function =]
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05:22.29Mike-N-Go"AutoMailDirectorData" that is the saved var.
05:22.46Shirikdelete your saved vars file and try again ;)
05:22.51Shirikthe one for your addon
05:23.16ShirikI'm willing to bet the saved data exists, but not in the form you intend
05:23.17Bleeterquick poll: how many people would have an idea how to pronounce 'pidgin'?
05:23.24Shirikpidgeon
05:23.38Shirikwhich is surely wrong otherwise you wouldn't ask this
05:23.48Bleeterso, you wouldn't be worrying about whether it's a hard or soft g?
05:24.09ShirikI don't talk much, I write on IRC
05:24.09Bleeterno, not a trick question
05:24.11Shirikso I don't have to worry ^^
05:24.22Shirikat first glance, it seems to me like "pidgeon"
05:24.24Bleeterjust the same damned question's been popping up for 24 hours
05:24.38Shirikpid gin just sounds too awkward
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05:24.42Bleeterand I'm starting to wonder if there's something irrefutably unpronouncable about the word
05:24.52Bleeteror just that there's a lot of stupid people out th...
05:24.59Bleeterhell, answered my own question
05:25.02Shiriklol
05:25.06BleeterShirik: thx, all sorted :)
05:25.11Bleeter(well, kinda, still got the users)
05:25.15Shirikhehe
05:25.31Shirikthis is the name of an app of yours or something?
05:25.44Bleeterapp i'm involved with
05:25.59ShirikMike-N-Go: the inherent problem is
05:26.05Shirikyou're telling it to create the table if it doesn't exist
05:26.12Bleeterend of legal dispute with AOL, that's been going on and off for 6.. or so years. result it, rename the program & there's no court case
05:26.13Shirikwell, it DOES exist, but it doesn't exist like you expect it to
05:26.40Mike-N-GoHumm..
05:27.19Mike-N-GoIt did a multiple servers, some version ago..
05:27.32Shirikright
05:27.39Shirikbut then you were developing it and it got corrupted because of some bug
05:27.43Shirikwhich you've probably fixed by now
05:27.49Shirikbut haven't reset your saved vars
05:27.52Shirikso the bug is still resident
05:28.47Mike-N-GoNope, the table is not being built, I trashed the SV for my AddOn, and still broke.
05:29.00Shirikthen you're probably building the table incorrectly
05:29.10Shirikgot devtools?
05:29.47Mike-N-GoDevTools is included in my 130 addons..
05:29.52Shirikdid you ever make AutoMailDirectorData[AMDRealmFaction] = {}
05:29.52Shirik?
05:29.53Mike-N-GoWhat do you want me to dump?
05:30.13Shirikyou do AutoMailDirectorData[AMDRealmFaction]["itemType"] = {}
05:30.16IrielDid I miss the bit of code that creates AutoMailDirectorData[AMDRealmFaction] ?
05:30.19Shirikbut I don't see AutoMailDirectorData[AMDRealmFaction] = {}
05:30.34ShirikYes, I beat Iriel! *does the happy dance*
05:31.24Mike-N-GoThe var is defined as a table on line 41.
05:31.40Shirikthat would do AutoMailDirectorData = {}
05:31.46Shirikbut not AutoMailDirectorData[AMDRealmFaction] = {}
05:32.22Shirikso AutoMailDirectorData[AMDRealmFaction] == nil
05:32.30Mike-N-GoEverytime I quit wow, or log, I get a crash report to fill.
05:32.48Shiriktherefore you can't do AMDD[AMDRF]["itemType"] because that's nil["itemType"] which is illegal
05:32.58Shirik(sorry got sick of typing those long words)
05:33.44Shirik>>> local AMDRealmFaction = "whatever"; AutoMailDirectorData = {}; AutoMailDirectorData[AMDRealmFaction]["itemType"] = 4;
05:33.49Shirikbah Cide's turned off :(
05:34.36Cidetry again
05:35.18Shirik>>> local AMDRealmFaction = "whatever"; AutoMailDirectorData = {}; AutoMailDirectorData[AMDRealmFaction]["itemType"] = 4;
05:35.19CideShirik: nil
05:35.26Shirik??
05:35.43Shirik*cough* that should not be lgal
05:35.44Shiriklegal*
05:36.17Shirik>>> local AMDRealmFaction = "whatever"; AutoMailDirectorData = {}; AutoMailDirectorData[AMDRealmFaction]["itemType"] = 4; return AutoMailDirectorData[AMDRealmFaction]["itemType"];
05:36.18CideShirik: nil
05:36.47Shadowed>>> 134134t
05:36.48CideShadowed: [string "134134t"]:1: malformed number near '134134t'
05:37.00Mike-N-Go..terface\AddOns\AutoMailDirector\AutoMailDirector.lua line 414: attempt to index field '?' (a nil value)
05:37.05Shirik>>> function f() local AMDRealmFaction = "whatever"; AutoMailDirectorData = {}; AutoMailDirectorData[AMDRealmFaction]["itemType"] = 4; return AutoMailDirectorData[AMDRealmFaction]["itemType"]; end success, err = pcall(f); if (not success) then print(error); end
05:37.06CideShirik: function: 001C6A90
05:37.13Shirikwtf?
05:37.15Mike-N-GoWhen I try: /amd all x
05:37.26Shirikright, Mike-N-Go, like I said
05:37.35Shirikyou need AutoMailDirectorData[AMDRealmFaction] = {}
05:37.38Shadoweddid you mean print err not print error?
05:37.44Shirikah, right
05:37.49Shirik>>> function f() local AMDRealmFaction = "whatever"; AutoMailDirectorData = {}; AutoMailDirectorData[AMDRealmFaction]["itemType"] = 4; return AutoMailDirectorData[AMDRealmFaction]["itemType"]; end success, err = pcall(f); if (not success) then print(err); end
05:37.49CideShirik: "[string \"function f() local AMDRealmFaction = \"whate...\"]:1: attempt to index field '?' (a nil value)"
05:37.55Shiriklook familiar, Mike-N-Go?
05:38.44Mike-N-GoInformation overload.. I have only learned enough to throw my addon together, I can understand what you are saying, but not with this haste.
05:38.56Shiriksec let me stop dying :P
05:40.15Shirikok, let's start from the top
05:40.21Shirikyou have AutoMailDirectorData = {}
05:40.24Mike-N-GoSo.. what part did you describe the problem?
05:40.31Mike-N-GoYup, create the table.
05:40.35ShirikThen you try to set AutoMailDirectorData[AMDRealmFaction]["itemType"] = something
05:40.38Mike-N-GoMake it empty.
05:40.45Shirikbut.... AutoMailDirectorData[AMDRealmFaction] does not yet exist
05:40.56Shiriktherefore AutoMailDirectorData[AMDRealmFaction]["itemType"] = something is illegal
05:41.02Mike-N-GoHumm..
05:41.14Shirikfor the reason that you are attempting to index AutoMailDirectorData[AMDRealmDaction], which is a nil value
05:41.25Mike-N-GoI see what I need to do, make AMDRealmFaction an empty table.
05:41.53Shirikif you mean AutoMailDirectorData[AMDRealmFaction] an empty value, then yes
05:41.58Shiriks/value/table/
05:42.14Mike-N-GoSo.. you have been trying to tell me that all along 0.O
05:42.27Shirikyes but I'm afraid I'm not very good at explaining :(
05:43.41Mike-N-GoIs there anything else you see in my code that may be fixed?
05:44.32Shirikthat's the only thing that caught my attention
05:44.33Nom-OMG
05:44.37Nom-They're making an Underdog movie
05:44.43Shirikaside from the fact
05:44.52Shirikyou shouldn't rely on "events" being a global variable, if I remember correctly
05:44.54ShirikI may be wrong though
05:45.03Shirikthat's one of those new things I haven't picked up yet
05:45.13Mike-N-GoWell.. I still receive the error: attempt to index  field '?' (a nil value)
05:45.20Shirikwhat line?
05:45.27Shirikoh
05:45.29Shirikand delete your SVs
05:45.31Mike-N-GoWhat does that mean, anyhow?
05:45.38Shirikbecause again, you only partially created the table
05:46.01Shirikit means precisely what it says, you're attempting to index a nil value. Let's see if I can explain it
05:46.09ShirikAutoMailDirectorData[AMDRealmFaction] doesn't exist, so it's nil
05:46.20Shirikyou're trying to do AutoMailDirectorData[AMDRealmFaction]["itemType"]
05:46.24Shirikwhich is nil["itemType"]
05:46.28Shirikso you're trying to index nil, which is illegal
05:47.16Mike-N-GoI thought that would index the table, how I did it, oh well, lol.
05:47.32Shirikthing to remember, there are no two-dimensional tables in Lua
05:47.41Shirikwell, there aren't in most languages
05:47.50Shirikbut there are tables that can have their values be tables
05:47.53Mike-N-GoThe error is from the slash command line I am trying to call.
05:48.28Mike-N-Go417: AutoMailDirectorData[AMDRealmFaction]["masterTarget"] = masterTarget ;
05:48.35Shirikattempt to index a nil vlaue
05:48.36Mike-N-GoWhen I do: /amd all x
05:48.43Shirikbecause you have a corrupt AutoMailDirectorData created from before
05:48.51ShirikI'd do, in resposne to your VARIABLES_LOADED event
05:49.11Shirikif (not AutoMailDirectorData[AMDRealmFaction]) then AutoMailDirectorData[AMDRealmFaction] = {}; end
05:49.20Shirikwhich should guard against that
05:49.34Mike-N-GoThis is really my first time to code, making this addon. Thanks for trying to help me, and thanks for continuing.
05:49.42Shirikno problem ^^
05:50.03Mike-N-GoI defined the table.. why does it not want to work?
05:50.15Shirikbecause currently you have an AutoMailDirectorData
05:50.19Shirikin your saved variables
05:50.22Shirikwhich it saved while the bug existed
05:50.30Shirikthat corrupt table is overwriting the one you made
05:50.52Mike-N-GoI quit WoW, dragged the SV file for the addon to the desktop.
05:51.03Shirikand you still have the problem?
05:51.47Mike-N-GoYes.
05:52.00Shirikok, paste up your updated code so I can see exactly what was changed
05:52.10Mike-N-Gohttp://pastey.net/11152
05:52.48Mike-N-GoI could just manually insert the table.. but what good would that do my users, lol.
05:53.04ShirikI uh still don't see the AutoMailDirectorData[AMDRealmFaction] = {}
05:53.29Mike-N-GoLine 80
05:54.08Mike-N-GoI can mess up the easiest things.. lol, forgot to put [AMDRealmFaction] on it..
05:54.10Shirikhehe
05:54.12Shirikyeah ;)
05:54.18Shirikit's ok we all do this
05:54.23Shirikthis is why it's good to have a second pair of eyes
05:55.09Mike-N-GoYah, otherwise I would stumble around and it would take me forever to debug, I think you again for your help.
05:55.23Mike-N-Gothank*
05:55.30Mike-N-GoI am unable to spell..
05:55.35Shirikit happens to all of us :)
05:55.51Shirik..........
05:55.53ShirikI just
05:55.57Shirikwow
05:55.58Mike-N-Go~~~
05:56.11purlI HATE YOU, mike-n-go!!!
05:56.11Mike-N-GoWhere is purl?
05:56.24ShirikJust out of the blue, I came up with a way to make a debugger for Lua in WoW
05:56.24Mike-N-Go~~~~
05:56.27purlARGH!!! STOP IT mike-n-go!!!
05:56.33Mike-N-Go~~~~~
05:56.34purlgrrrr
05:56.37Mike-N-Go~~
05:56.38purlEvery moment in which I'm called upon is torture.
05:56.39Shirikwhere you can step one instruction at a time
05:56.48Mike-N-GoOh?
05:56.52Mike-N-GoI use Swatter
05:56.55ShirikI don't know why it just came to me
05:57.00Mike-N-Go~~~~~~
05:57.02purlACTION takes out a revolver and shoots mike-n-go in the head three times.
05:57.02Shirikswatter only catches errors, right?
05:57.45Mike-N-GoI think it just redirects message() to it's frame.
05:58.08Shirikit probably overrides the error handler with seterrorhandler() but who knows
05:58.18Mike-N-Go#norganna
05:58.28Shirikin any case, I'm talkig about a way to suspend your addon, step one instruction at a time
05:58.32Shirikcreate breakpoints
05:58.38Shirikadd watches
05:58.41Shirikthis would be useful
05:59.04Mike-N-GoInstead of doing prints to the chat frame, and reloading UI xD
05:59.04ShirikI'll have to investigate this a bit further
05:59.43Mike-N-GoWell.. I think my addon is in working order now.
06:00.02Mike-N-GoBesides the coding, but what users look at the code =]
06:00.12Mike-N-Go~~~~~~~
06:00.14purlACTION fires 3 more shots, as the first 3 didn't seem to have much effect.
06:00.37Mike-N-Go~Shirik
06:00.49ShirikI am unknown to purl :(
06:01.36Mike-N-GoSum your life's work in a sentence , and I will add it.
06:01.56ShirikI don't have a life's work ><
06:02.27Mike-N-GoOk, howabout what you have contributed to this channel?
06:02.33Mike-N-GoHave you coded any addons?
06:02.54Shirikheh, yes, but most would know me here by the updater I've been working on, which is yet to be released
06:03.10Shirikwilling to bet only Cairenn|afk and clad|sleep know what addon I've written
06:03.32Mike-N-GoKnown by someone, yet not released.
06:03.52Shirikmost people here know me for this: http://code.google.com/p/wowiupdater
06:04.17Shirikvery few know me for RDX, though that's been released for a while now
06:04.26Mike-N-GoSadly, I am a Mac user.
06:04.32Shirikread the top line ;)
06:04.35ArrowmasterShirik: talking about using procedures?
06:04.42Shirik"It is written in a combination of Java and C and is meant to be cross-platform compatible."
06:05.00Mike-N-GoAhh, yay =]
06:05.10Shirik# One of the following Operating Systems1:
06:05.10Shirik* Microsoft Windows 98 or later
06:05.10Shirik* Mac OS X or later
06:05.10Shirik* Linux kernel 2.4 or later
06:05.31Mike-N-GoI saw the screen shot, and thought otherwise, yet Java works on almost everything.
06:05.40Shirikearlier than OS X might work, but I haven't tested it
06:05.53ShirikArrowmaster: Not sure what you mean ><
06:06.16Mike-N-GoWoW does not run on pre-OS X, so no need to worry about compatibility.
06:06.19Arrowmastererr wrong word, ment coroutines
06:06.24Shirikah, yeah
06:06.31Shirikthat's precisely how I'd do it
06:06.36Shirikbecause anything else would lock up the rest of the UI
06:06.58Shirikthe question would be how to generalize it to work for any addon
06:07.55Shirikafk for a sec
06:11.58Shirikand back
06:12.33ShirikMike-N-Go: If I had to sum up my life, I'd have to say, the one thing I hate doing is nothing
06:13.04ShirikI always have to be doing something, solving a problem, (whether it be a job or coding to solve a problem that only applies to me), or I feel like I'm wasting my life
06:13.15Mike-N-Gopurl, Shirik is <reply> "If I had to sum up my life, I'd have to say, the one thing I hate doing is nothing." --Shirik
06:13.18purlokay, Mike-N-Go
06:13.22Mike-N-GoShirik
06:13.23ShirikI think, though, that this is true of most programmers
06:14.03Mike-N-Go~Shirik
06:14.04purl"If I had to sum up my life, I'd have to say, the one thing I hate doing is nothing." --Shirik
06:14.13Shirikyey I'm famous
06:14.29Shirikat least one more person knows me now, even if it is only AI
06:15.21Mike-N-GoIt was fun conducting this interview =]
06:15.58Shirikactually Mike, if you don't mind I could use you for a second ^^;
06:16.04Mike-N-GoSure.
06:16.15Mike-N-GoLet me guess, test your thing for Mac =]?
06:16.20Shiriknot quite
06:16.23Mike-N-GoOh?
06:16.24Shirikthere's a bug in it
06:16.30Mike-N-GoWhat is it?
06:16.30Shiriksec
06:16.37Mike-N-GoSure.
06:16.44JunkHead-WorkDoes anyone here sue the addon "Extended Quest Log"?
06:16.47JunkHead-Workuse*
06:17.11ShirikI don't even know what to tell you
06:17.22Shirikdo you happen to know where applications store their configuration data on a mac?
06:17.27ShirikI know it's a subdirectory of your home directory
06:17.46Shirikclad told me two days ago but it's not in my log for some reason
06:17.47Mike-N-GoYah, I know some of the places: the library.
06:18.04Shirikit's something like ~/SomeFolder/SomeOtherFolder/com.wowiupdater/config.wic
06:18.12ShirikI don't know what those folders at the beginning are though
06:18.27Mike-N-Go~/Libary/
06:18.29ShirikI guess it would be com.wowinterface.wowiupdater
06:18.53Shirikok, I'm going to put together an app bundle for you. Would you just poke it and see if it's happy?
06:19.17Mike-N-GoThat is one place, that preferences and the like are stored.
06:19.20Mike-N-GoSure..
06:19.27Shirikyeah this would be preference info
06:19.33Shirikany other data is stored directly with the addon
06:19.36Mike-N-GoPoke n' prod away.
06:19.44Mike-N-GoWhat data are you trying to find?
06:20.08Mike-N-GoJunkHead-Work: The thing that has quests on one side, and the description on the other?
06:20.10Shirikwell at the beginning it's going to ask you where your WoW folder is and what your WoWInterface username is
06:20.15Shirikthe next time you run it, it should remember that
06:21.07Mike-N-GoPing me when it is ready.
06:22.09Mike-N-GoWhat language are you coding this in, Shirik?
06:22.17Shirika combination of C and Java
06:22.25ShirikI guess, more correctly
06:22.28ShirikC, C++, and java
06:23.02IrielWhat is the C/C++ for?
06:23.03Shirikalso, your WoW folder
06:23.08Shirikis it /Applications/World of Warcraft ?
06:23.15ShirikIriel: To handle RAR files
06:23.34Mike-N-GoWhy not assume it is at the default, Applications/World\ of\ Warcraft
06:23.38ShirikI'm using a C extraction library, wrote C++ native code to handle it
06:23.42Mike-N-GoDon't forget to escape.
06:24.00ShirikOh, Java handles that for me actually, but it always assumes certain default paths. If it can't find it, _then_ it asks you
06:24.04Shirikbut it tries the defaults first
06:24.16JunkHead-WorkMike-N-Go - Yes.
06:24.28JunkHead-WorkIt is very nice, but it recent;y broke.:\
06:24.34Mike-N-GoI only read of it, I don't have it.
06:24.47Mike-N-GoJunkHead-Work: Did you try re-instaling it?
06:25.10Mike-N-GoOr trashing the SV file?
06:25.28ShirikMike-N-Go: is the folder supposed to be ~/Library/com.wowinterface.wowiupdater.app ?
06:25.36Shirikor just ~/Library/com.wowinterface.wowiupdater
06:25.50Mike-N-GoYour app.. IDK for sure.
06:26.03ShirikI assume it shouldn't have a problem either way
06:26.09ShirikI'll just pick one and see how it goes ^^
06:26.22Mike-N-GoWell
06:26.33Mike-N-GoThere are 2 different Libs
06:26.58Mike-N-Go<PROTECTED>
06:27.00purlMike-N-Go: okay
06:27.03Mike-N-Go...
06:27.09Shiriklol
06:27.38Mike-N-GoAnd /Library is for the system, all the users.
06:27.46Mike-N-Go~/Libary
06:27.48purl/libary is probably for the current user
06:27.54Shirik...
06:27.59Mike-N-Gopurl, forget /libary
06:27.59purli forgot /libary, Mike-N-Go
06:28.07Mike-N-GoPurl, thank you.
06:28.07purlMike-N-Go: no worries
06:28.13Shirikpurl, now shut up
06:28.15JunkHead-WorkMike-N-Go - Yes. It broke for a lot of people.
06:28.32Shirikhrm, expected _some_ reply ^^;
06:28.35JunkHead-WorkIt screws up what quests you have, and quests details are for what quests.
06:28.44Shirikpurl, hi
06:28.47purlhello, shirik
06:29.45Mike-N-GoJunkHead-Work: There are a few ways you may get this fixed, Lean to code and fix it yourself, Pester the Author 'till he fixes it, or, ask here for someone to fix it :)
06:30.35JunkHead-WorkMike-N-Go - 1. I have no desire to learn myself, 2. People are already posting on ui sites about it. and 3. I'm not sure how to describe the problem really.
06:31.21Mike-N-GoShirik: I don't know for sure where preferences are stored, but I bet it is in one of the Library folders.
06:31.59Shirikok well let's see how this goes
06:32.09Shiriktry this: http://code.google.com/p/wowiupdater/downloads/detail?name=wowuimgr_0_1_78.app.zip&can=2&q=
06:32.35ShirikI have no idea how to write an app bundle, really, so I hope it works ><
06:33.18JunkHead-Workhttp://img216.imageshack.us/img216/5294/eqlbugtg0.jpg
06:33.24JunkHead-WorkThis is the same problem I have.
06:33.35JunkHead-WorkNote: The quest details are NOT for that quest.
06:33.45Mike-N-Go"You cannot open the application "wowuimgr_0_1_78" because it may be damaged or incomplete."
06:33.50JunkHead-WorkAnd on the bottom left, it doesn't show the other quest for tempest keep.
06:33.59Shirikoops
06:34.14Shirikum, how about I give you the executable jar?
06:34.19JunkHead-Work"Seer Udalo" has different objectives. And the details shown are for some other quest.
06:34.21Shirikyou should just be able to double click it to run
06:34.28Mike-N-Go<PROTECTED>
06:34.31JunkHead-Workhttp://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=4188  <-- Other complaints.
06:34.32Shiriknah, .jar
06:34.40Shiriknot the one that's up there, though, that's out of date
06:34.50Shirik.jar should be registered with the JRE
06:34.56Mike-N-GoBecause I have little use for .exe, only for archival, that is.
06:35.47Shirikhahahhahaha
06:35.54Shirikone of my old coworkers just sent me a skype message
06:35.58Shirik"Hey are you on shift right now?"
06:36.01ShirikI left them about a year ago
06:36.20Shirikmm maybe closer to 8 months but still
06:36.25Mike-N-Go"- Mage\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'s water elemental pet bar overlaps bottom left actionbar - \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"clipping\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\" pushed by EQL window." My, someone wanted to sure escape, lol.
06:39.19Shirikugg googlecode is slow today
06:40.22Shirikok Mike-N-Go try this http://code.google.com/p/wowiupdater/downloads/detail?name=wowimanager_jar_0_1_78.zip&can=2&q=
06:40.35Shirikextract it wherever and run the wowiupdater.jar file by double clicking it
06:41.49ShirikI really need to get a mac to run around with
06:42.01Shirikeven if just a really cheap one
06:42.31Mike-N-GoI am double clicking it.
06:42.41Shirikand nothing? :(
06:42.45Mike-N-GoYet, I don't see a verification that it works.
06:42.53Shirikdoes it just do nothing?
06:43.09Shirikdo me a favor
06:43.16Shirikopen up a terminal and type the command "java -version" without quotes
06:43.33Mike-N-GoI use the terminal, for things, no prob
06:43.40Shiriksorry for making you go around like this :(
06:43.47Mike-N-Gojava version "1.5.0_06"
06:43.48Mike-N-GoJava(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.5.0_06-112)
06:43.48Mike-N-GoJava HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.5.0_06-64, mixed mode, sharing)
06:43.52Shirikok that's good
06:44.04Shiriktry java -jar /path/to/wowiupdater.jar --verbose
06:44.14Shirik(note my app takes double dashes for parameters)
06:45.39Mike-N-GoException in thread "main" java.lang.UnsupportedOperationException: Unknown OS Mac OS X
06:45.40Mike-N-Go<PROTECTED>
06:45.40Mike-N-Go<PROTECTED>
06:45.47Mike-N-Go=[
06:45.53Mike-N-GoUnsupported..
06:46.00ShirikI'm a moron
06:46.11ShirikI thought os.name was Macintosh OS X
06:46.14Shirikit's Mac OS X
06:47.11Shirikp.s. that "unsupported" was thrown by me, not by java, so it's something I can fix ;)
06:47.12Mike-N-GoRather, Macintosh OS 10.4.8...
06:48.41Mike-N-GoWow.. that is over 5K lines of text
06:48.58Mike-N-GoAnd most of it is random chars.
06:49.04Shirik?
06:49.11Mike-N-GoIE
06:49.21Shirikhrm?
06:49.23Mike-N-Go§≈/¬®êAîY@rÑ$˘(í√P
06:49.42Shirikli9ne 4927 of what?
06:49.57Mike-N-Gowowiupdater/jar
06:50.00Shirikhaha
06:50.03Mike-N-Gowowiupdater.jar*
06:50.08Shirikyou're not supposed to try to read a jar archive ><
06:50.15Mike-N-GoI opened in text editor.
06:50.44Mike-N-GoWhy not =P
06:50.56Shirikthe code is in the .java files. A .jar file is a collection of .class files, which are compiled bytecode
06:51.12ShirikIf you did want to see the source, you can download the source from http://code.google.com/p/wowiupdater
06:51.36Shirikp.s. this SHOULD work: http://code.google.com/p/wowiupdater/downloads/detail?name=wowimanager_jar_0_1_79.zip&can=2&q=
06:51.42Shiriknow it should correctly detect mac OS systems
06:52.10Mike-N-GoIt opend as an app
06:52.19Shirikhrm?
06:52.19Mike-N-GoAsking for Username
06:52.23Shirikbeautiful :D
06:52.27Shirikdid you double click it or use that command?
06:52.37Mike-N-Go"Loading configuration, please wait..."
06:52.44Mike-N-GoClick
06:52.48Shirikand it's stuck there?
06:53.05Shiriklook for an error.log in the folder where you extracted it
06:53.40Mike-N-GoNone
06:53.47Mike-N-GoI see a swing-layout-1.0.jar, however
06:53.56Shirikthat should be there, yeah
06:54.00Shirikhrm, where did it put that
06:54.08Shirikoh
06:54.20Mike-N-Go<PROTECTED>
06:54.22Shirikis there a folder ~/Library/com.wowinterface.wowiupdater.app ?
06:55.17Mike-N-GoYup.
06:55.23Shirikit must have been able to isolate that folder otherwise it would have crashed complaining about logs
06:55.25Mike-N-GoRather, an app
06:55.26Shirikok did it write anything there?
06:55.33Shiriker, you can't go inside?
06:55.34Shirikoops
06:55.41Mike-N-Gocom.wowinterface.wowiupdater is there
06:55.41Shirikok let's adjust the name of that folder to not say .app ><
06:55.53Mike-N-GoWith the placeholder app icon
06:55.58Shirikhaha ok
06:56.04Shirikso that solves the question of "should it have .app at the end"
06:56.08Shirikwhich is no
06:56.29ShirikI'm sorry for making you do this, I just don't understand macs at all :(
06:56.48Mike-N-GoThe one in the lib is damaged or imcompleat
06:56.58Shirikthat's not an application
06:57.06Shirikthat's just a library with a bunch of code that wowiupdater.jar uses
06:57.15Mike-N-GoBTW
06:57.26Mike-N-GoHow would one trust handing there user name to your app?
06:57.40Shirikwhat do you mean?
06:57.57Shirik(also, it's optional, it just makes it easier)
06:58.15Shirikit connects to wowinterface to retrieve your favorites list in an attempt to identify addons it doesn't recognize
06:58.16Mike-N-GoWell, many people don't like handing out usernames/password to random third party, etc. etc.
06:58.24Shirikit won't ask for a password actually
06:58.36Shirikand I could obtain everyone's username just from scanning the wowinterface username list
06:58.41Mike-N-GoOk, is there any more testing I may do?
06:58.55ShirikI'm adjusting one more thing and hopefully everythign will be peachy
06:59.01Mike-N-GoSure
06:59.12Mike-N-GoI should be on a few more hours tonight
06:59.33Mike-N-GoJust running a now level 12 shaman arround Mulgore.
06:59.38Shirikheh
06:59.48Mike-N-GoMain is hunter
06:59.54Mike-N-GoShaman is a good class.
07:00.26Mike-N-GoEhh? I have like 20 windows open because of you  :x
07:00.31Shirikok what about http://code.google.com/p/wowiupdater/downloads/detail?name=wowimanager_jar_0_1_80.zip&can=2&q= ><
07:00.35Shirikyou do o.o
07:00.40ShirikHow did that happen
07:00.49Mike-N-Go"Download this one"
07:00.56Shirikah, sorry ><
07:00.59Mike-N-Go"ok, that did not work"
07:01.03Mike-N-Go"Try this one"
07:01.10Mike-N-Go"Ok.. maybe this one?"
07:01.14Shirikif you have an svn client and java compiler it could be better :P
07:02.27Mike-N-GoI have 2 versions of the same app running o.O
07:02.54Shirikwell I think what happened is there was an error
07:02.58Mike-N-GoOk, running version 80, thanks for labling the versions in the zip =P
07:03.12Shirikwhich killed the main thread and left open the event queue thread
07:03.18Mike-N-GoWhat do you want want tested with this one?
07:03.19Shirikhehe yeah, I learned that lesson early ^^
07:03.23Shirikrun it
07:03.28Shirikhopefully this time it doesn't get pissed
07:03.34Mike-N-GoOh, pissed?
07:03.35Shirikif it does, at least you should be able to find the error.log
07:03.41Shirik"loading configuration" and stopping
07:03.43Shirikwhich it shouldn't do
07:03.52Mike-N-GoI did not get that..
07:04.17Shirik02:53:02 ‹Mike-N-Go› "Loading configuration, please wait..."
07:04.18Shirik?
07:04.49Mike-N-GoYes.
07:04.57Shirikand it got stuck there?
07:05.28Mike-N-GoOnly if I don't press cancel where it asks for usr name.
07:05.42Shirikbut if you do, it gets stuck?
07:05.45Mike-N-GoI pressed cancel, it now says "Ready"
07:05.49Shirikah, that's good
07:05.54Shirikfile->register
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07:05.57Shirikdo you see your addons listed?
07:06.08Mike-N-GoAll like 130 I have.
07:06.14Shirikyey
07:06.21Mike-N-GoUnder Unknow
07:06.26Mike-N-GoUnder Unknown*
07:06.32Shirikright
07:06.37Shirikyou hit cancel though?
07:06.41Shirikwhat if you typed in your username and hit enter?
07:07.05Mike-N-GoWhy would I trust it with my usr name =P
07:07.14Shirikheh, ok
07:07.17Shirikso you haven't tested that
07:07.20ShirikI'll assume it works
07:07.29Mike-N-GoWhat is my usr name..
07:07.41ShirikThe only reason it requests your username is so it can retrieve your favorites list
07:08.12Mike-N-GoBut that is what you want me to think >.<
07:08.22Shirikheh
07:08.35ShirikI don't expect you to trust me, but I can't do anything with your username if it doesn't ask for your password
07:08.48Shirikand if I really wanted to be evil, it wouldn't need to ask for your username it would just log your keystrokes
07:09.15Mike-N-GoI am just waiting for you to say, "Type in your usr name when it asks."
07:09.42Mike-N-Go~Shirik
07:09.53purl"If I had to sum up my life, I'd have to say, the one thing I hate doing is nothing." --Shirik
07:10.18Mike-N-GoWhy does purl have '_', I wonder
07:10.27Shirikprobably ghosted
07:11.06Mike-N-GoOk, is there anything else I may help you with?
07:11.30Shirikyeah if you go into ~/Library/com.wowinterface.wowiupdater
07:11.33Shirikis there a file error.log ?
07:11.36Shirik(it may be empty)
07:11.47Mike-N-GoYup.
07:11.53Mike-N-GoFile is present
07:11.54Shirikis it empty?
07:12.13Mike-N-Goconfig.wic in there too
07:12.22Mike-N-GoThere is no text in the file.
07:12.26Shirikgood :)
07:12.48Mike-N-GoSo, your thing
07:12.57Mike-N-GoHow far is it in the dev process?
07:12.57Shirikthen I will tag this as alpha 4 and assume it works
07:12.59Mike-N-GoBeta?
07:13.04Shirikjust told ya ;)
07:13.06Mike-N-GoHeh.
07:13.21Mike-N-Go'alpha 4' what is the 4 there?
07:13.21Shirikgetting close to beta
07:13.26Shirik4th alpha release
07:13.40Mike-N-GoCool
07:13.41Shiriki.e., alpha 1 was the original alpha release, alpha 2 fixed up some bugs in it, etc.
07:13.55Mike-N-Go4, more clients.
07:14.13Mike-N-GoSo, what is left to do on your thing?
07:14.25Shirikto do? I think most of the features are implemented already
07:14.39Shirikthere's one that someone asked but it will be a bit difficult and I'll probably postpone it to a future version
07:14.56Shirikassuming there are no/few errors this is ready for beta
07:15.08Mike-N-GoDo I understand what it does, it looks on WoWI.com for if anything has been updated?
07:15.26Mike-N-GoAnd if so, it overwrites the current folder in the AddOns folder?
07:16.26Irielnite
07:16.29Shiriknight
07:16.33Mike-N-GoDarn, I just hit 'Clear', lol.
07:16.33Shirika bit more complex then that, but yes
07:16.44Mike-N-GoDid you just say anything?
07:16.51Shirik03:16:57 ‹Shirik› a bit more complex then that, but yes
07:17.32Shirikit will backup the old interface before installing the new one, allow you to restore an older backup. It installs new addons for you, including installing your entire favorites list (or at least those that are missing)
07:17.38Shirikit allows you to make complete backups
07:17.53Shirikthis is why the name was changed from "updater" to "ui manager"
07:18.11Mike-N-GoHow will it treat things like.. my addon that I am developing?
07:18.23Mike-N-GoThat resides in the AddOns folder
07:18.28ShirikI have yet to register my addon with it, and I would recommend the same to you
07:18.33Shirikif you don't register the addon, it will ignore it
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07:19.03Mike-N-GoOr, symbolic links, for my Auctioneer SVN or something?
07:19.39Shirikdon't register anything that is not the same as it is on wowinterface's site
07:19.45Shirikbecause before it installs, it will clean the directory
07:20.12Mike-N-GoThe root dir, or each addon by itsself?
07:20.18Shirikeach addon
07:21.10Mike-N-GoCool
07:21.14Shirikit is also protected against cleaning anything that is not a child of the addon folder, so any malicious folders can't result in deleting your entire World of Warcraft directory. It will only delete folders which exist inside World of Warcraft/Interface/Addons, and from there, only those folders which exist inside the downloaded zip
07:21.20Mike-N-GoSounds like a good program
07:21.31JunkHead-WorkWhat program?
07:21.41Mike-N-GoIs this to be one of the Premium Features?
07:21.42Shirikit will _install_ things outside of there (such as the Fonts directory for ClearFont), but it refuses to clean out any of the folders outside of those paths
07:21.46Shirikthat's not up to me
07:21.54Mike-N-GoJunkHead-Work: wowiupdater.jar
07:22.04Shirikwowiupdater is its old name
07:22.13Shirikit has since been renamed WoWInterface UI Manager
07:22.18ShirikI just haven't updated the package name
07:22.24Mike-N-GoAs of what, right now?=P
07:22.29JunkHead-WorkOh that program on ui.workdofwar.net?
07:22.29Shirikas of...
07:22.42JunkHead-Workworldofwar*
07:22.52Mike-N-GoJunkHead-Work: The thing we are talking about for the last hour, that thing.
07:23.07JunkHead-Workhttp://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=2106  <-- I knew of this.
07:23.19JunkHead-WorkIf it's something else, then I don't know about it.:\
07:23.27Shiriknot the same ;)
07:23.32Shirikit's released nowhere except googlecode
07:23.57ShirikMike-N-Go: [R76] tg.skullshot: Adjusted the name of the project to be "WoWInterface UI Manager" which seems more appropriate. Will confer with Cairenn later. Also fixed an issue where the application was not exiting properly when doing file->quit or hitting the "done" button. This was caused because the application halted the runtime, but did not exit the application.
07:24.01JunkHead-WorkOh.
07:24.09Shirikyou're on revision 80
07:24.20Shirikso not too long ago
07:24.36Mike-N-GoOk
07:25.05Mike-N-GoSo, what happens if the updating is ran while WoW is running?
07:25.19Shirikthe same thing that would happen if you tried to install an addon while wow is running
07:25.29Shirikthe Addons folder would be updated properly but saved variables would not
07:25.31Mike-N-GoYay :)
07:25.55Mike-N-GoAnd, if you /run ReloadUI(), then all the files may not be loaded.
07:26.01Shirikright
07:26.08Shirikit tries to act like a human, in the way it's coded
07:26.18Shirikfirst step is to look at the zip file and figure out where everything goes
07:26.42Shirikit does this by looking for a folder like "World of Warcraft" or "WTF" or "Addons" and matching that up to the correct folder. If it doesn't find one, it assumes that everything goes in "Addons"
07:26.54Shirikthis would probably be your first step as well if you were doing it manually
07:27.25Shirikand in this manner, it will work for any addon, and doesn't rely on the author specially setting something up
07:28.19Mike-N-GoLooks like a nice idea.. I sure know I loathe checking for updates.
07:28.32ShirikI've accidentally updated my addons several times now, so I know it works ^^
07:28.45ShirikI'll be testing something and it'll be all "new version found"
07:28.50Shirikand I'm like "oh cool"
07:30.14Mike-N-GoHere is a suggestion, have a calendar for it so at times it my automatically run and update.
07:30.31ShirikTjat
07:30.46ShirikThat's been something I've been thinking about, but the ability to do that platform-independently is an issue
07:30.50ShirikI may code that in C++ though
07:30.57Mike-N-GoLike.. Tuesday matinee.
07:31.00Shirikbut I'd have to learn some Mac API
07:31.29Mike-N-GoWait.. that is bi-monthly now.
07:31.51Mike-N-GoWant to know what I would think is the easiest way to run tasks like this?
07:32.15ShirikI'm always open to suggestions
07:33.11Mike-N-GoiCal, have it set to run a version, or mode, of the app that automatically runs the updates, just open the app, update, and quit when done.
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07:33.22Mike-N-GoTo time tasks, iCal works wonders
07:33.34Mike-N-GoI have a set of BackUp scripts I made for Mac
07:33.47Shirikbut how can I set up iCal to do that programatically?
07:33.59ShirikI don't want to have to force the user to set it up, or is it easy?
07:34.13Shirikit would be extremely simple for me to have the application quit when done
07:34.38Shirikit already exits the main thread when done, I just need to have it terminate all other threads too if an option is supplied
07:34.44Mike-N-Gohttp://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6911-MacBackup.html
07:34.52Mike-N-GoThere is my scripts for mac backup
07:35.09Shiriklet's put it this way
07:35.15Shirikdoes the average user know how to set up ical to do that?
07:35.44Mike-N-GoAfter setting up the file structure, one only needs to double click the app, and it runs, or run with the iCal timer
07:36.14Mike-N-GoThink of this: is a user that uses WoW, AddOns, and  your Updater 'smart', or 'dumb'
07:36.35Mike-N-GoIt takes only a few clicks to set up the timer
07:36.53Mike-N-GoI have a tutorial in that download I linked.
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07:38.22ShadowedMost users want something that "just works out of the box"
07:38.35Shirikyup, that's why I want to make a .app bundle for mac
07:38.36Shadowedthey don't want to have to go through an extra step even if it's simple
07:38.39ShirikI just don't understand it ><
07:38.47Mike-N-GoWell, for those that it does, it does, for those that it does not, it does not.
07:38.57Shadowedby the way Shirik
07:38.58Shirikbut that's also why I want the _program_ to set up iCal, not force the user to do it
07:39.07Mike-N-GoThe fools will remain foolish
07:39.19Shirikwhich will likely require native code, but I can do that
07:39.26ShirikI've learned a lot about JNE lately
07:39.28Shirikwhat's up Shadowed?
07:39.29Mike-N-GoAutomator.
07:39.30Shadowedhow are you going to handle files like sct_event_config.lua in SCT?
07:39.43ShirikI don't see why there would be a problem
07:39.53Shirikoooh
07:39.56ShadowedIt stores custom events and 99% of the time it doesn't need to be wiped
07:39.56ShirikI see
07:39.58Shirikif someone chagned it
07:40.07Shadowedright
07:40.09Shirikthanks for bringing that to my attention
07:40.12Mike-N-GoThat is the easiest way to do automated tasks.
07:40.28Shadowedrather annoying thing to handle actually
07:40.56Shirikaye, the only way I can think to guard against it off the top of my head is hard-coding the updater to not touch that file
07:41.15Shirikor asking the user what files should be ignored
07:42.17Shirikooh Mike-N-Go
07:42.21ShirikI know one thing you can check if you have a moment
07:42.25Mike-N-GoSure
07:42.33Shirikrun it, go to Backup->Create Full Backup
07:42.51Shiriksee if it crashes
07:43.07Mike-N-Go<PROTECTED>
07:43.15Shirikmake sure you check "backup unregistered addons" or it will do nothing
07:43.20Mike-N-GoIt may.. because I have 100 or so Addons.
07:43.20Shiriksince you haven't registered any of yours
07:43.26ShirikI have 130 ;)
07:43.37Shirikyou can always hit "exit" during the backup if it takes too long
07:43.48Shiriksupposedly
07:43.59Mike-N-GoOr, force quit =/
07:44.29BleeterShirik: you got yet another version for me to test? ;) :P
07:44.37Mike-N-Go"Uncompressed Size: 133 MB"
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07:44.44ShirikI have one that works on JRE 1.5 Bleeter
07:44.52Shadowedyeah...i can't think of any way you could really handle files like sct_event_config.lua cleanly
07:44.54Shadowedhrmm
07:45.03ShirikI don't know if I told you but Gnu JRE runs on 1.4
07:45.05Mike-N-GoWhere is the backup placed?
07:45.11ShirikWorld of Warcraft/Backups
07:45.14Shirikwhich it makes if it doesn't exist
07:45.25BleeterShirik: yar, just wondering if you'd done the JNI foo ;)
07:45.36Mike-N-GoAre you sure that the WoW dir is the best place to put it?
07:45.40ShirikUnfortunately I've determined that's not possible Bleeter
07:45.47Bleeterhehe
07:45.48Shadowedleast confusing place to put it
07:45.48ShirikBecause there are other components I've used that require 1.5 also
07:45.50Mike-N-GoShouldn't it be placed outside of the dir?
07:45.56Bleeterkk
07:46.00ShirikBut
07:46.08Mike-N-GoLets all talk at once
07:46.11Mike-N-GoBlah Blah
07:46.13ShirikYou can install JRE 1.5 and run manually. 1.4 can coexist with 1.5
07:46.14Shadowedi'd imagine the goal of backups is incase the updater fails and messes something up, not to save everything if your wow dir gets nuked because you deleted it
07:46.28ShirikShadowed: quite right, though perhaps I should throw it somewhere else
07:46.50ShirikReally it was designed for the updater, and since it's away from the Interface and WTF folders, if you nuke those, you can still get them back
07:46.50Shadowedcould just make an option that defaults to wow/backup
07:46.53Mike-N-GoThrow it at root :P
07:47.02ShirikLinux would hate that
07:47.21Shadowedi'd be rather annoyed if it threw it into my S:/ drive instead of S:/WoW/Backups :p
07:48.08ShirikAnyway, Bleeter if you really want to, you can install the JRE 1.5 from sun, and run the JAR file with ./jre1.5/java -jar wowiupdater.jar --verbose
07:48.15Shirikthat's what I've been doing on linux
07:48.16Mike-N-GoShirik: About iCal timer, those who want to use it, will, and it would be the easiest way I would have to think.. you don't need a daemon in the background.
07:48.40Shirikif you can't uninstall 1.4, you can still put 1.5 and 1.4 on the same computer. 1.4 will continue to exist by default, but you can run 1.5 manually
07:49.53ShirikRight, I really don't want to make another daemon thread because I want the JVM to shutdown, not have it running 24/7
07:50.33Shiriks/thread/process/
07:50.41Shirika daemon thread would shut down the jvm :)
07:51.20Mike-N-GoI just know that a daemon is a background app, not sure what really, just something that is always running.
07:51.45Shirikaye, just, in Java, threads can be either in a daemon or non-daemon mode
07:51.58ShirikDaemon threads are meant for background processes (in fact, the updater creates a ton of them while doing updates)
07:52.18Mike-N-GoThe less.. the better, lol.
07:52.19ShirikBut... by rule, the JVM is permitted to terminate when there exist no more alive non-daemon threads for the application
07:52.51Shirikeh, you really can't tell how many threads there are running on a program without tearing it apart
07:53.04Shirikmost multithreaded apps have tons of daemon threads
07:53.15Shirikbut few non-daemon ones (including mine, which has only 1)
07:53.31Shirikprocesses, on the other hand
07:53.40Shirikshould always be minimal
07:54.01Shirikbut number of threads should only be as minimal as the number of things you want to be able to do at once
07:54.07AnduinLotharUpdated Khaos: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6708-KhaosStandalone.html  http://www.wowwiki.com/Khaos/ChangeLog
07:54.25Shirikfor the updater, it so happens we need a main queue, a UI event queue, and one thread for each update process (which handles downloading, installing, etc.)
07:54.41Shirikand I'll shut up now
07:56.44Mike-N-GoWhy?
07:56.47ShadowedSomething to remember by the way Shirik, theres rare cases where SCT changes the file enough that you need to update...so have fun with that :p
07:57.06ShirikI know -_-
07:57.11ShirikI have no idea how to handle SCT right now
07:57.25Mike-N-GoIgnore it?
07:57.28Shirikgranted, most people do not modify sct_config
07:57.32ShirikI hate ignoring problems ><
07:57.56Mike-N-GoIf something is not used by the mass of the users, why worry about it?
07:57.59Shadowedand other mods may do somethinglike it
07:57.59Shiriksay, how does an alchemist learn to transmute?
07:58.07Mike-N-GoBuy the recipes?
07:58.11Shadowedthey go to a trainer or buy the recipes
07:58.18Shirikwhat trainer?
07:58.23Shirikmine doesn't seem to have it (looking ahead)
07:58.33Mike-N-GoAlchemist trainer?
07:58.41ShirikI'm at the master alchemist trainer
07:59.57ShadowedWhat transmute?
08:00.02Shirikjust in general
08:00.12Shadowedsome are learned from trainers, some are recipes
08:00.13Shiriksomeone in my guild mentioned them today and wanted to prepare for being able to do it
08:00.59ShadowedMost transmutes are world drops or limited supplies from vendors, only a couple are trained i believe
08:05.23Shadowedor fun rep grinds!
08:05.41Shirikfun...
08:06.26ShadowedI think they reduced most of the rep grinding to 2-3 patterns or they're from factions you need rep for to do heroics anyway
08:06.40Shadowedanyway must sleep
08:06.45ShirikI'm talking about basic transmutes anyway
08:06.49Shirikessenses, not primals
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09:03.02Shirikhmm nice to know my emergency macro works perfectly ^^
09:03.06ShirikI would have died without it there
09:04.24Nom-<PROTECTED>
09:04.34ShirikI don't have a paladin -_-
09:04.42Nom-tehehehe
09:05.47Shirik#showtooltip /cast [nomodifier:alt] Power Word: Shield /stopmacro [nomodifier:alt] #Emergency button - interrupt spell + shield w/ trinket /stopcasting /use [nomodifier:ctrl] Defiler's Talisman /cast [target=player] Power Word: Shield
09:06.12ShirikI was in the middle of a holy fire when I realized "oh crap I'm gonna die" I hit it
09:06.20Shirikand it cancelled my spell, hit both shields, and I ran like mad
09:06.37Shiriklater I thought to myself "wait I should have gotten the error 'another action is in progress'"
09:06.43Shirikand then I was like "oh yay it works"
09:08.13Nom-lol
09:08.41Nom-Silly priests
09:08.49Nom-What you do?  Pull a second mob?
09:08.58Shirikwell
09:09.06ShirikI needed one more mob to complete a quest
09:09.11Shirikbut it was surrounded by about 10 others
09:09.19Shirikso I sat there for about 2 minutes
09:09.28Shirik"if I pull it just like this it should go around the other 10"
09:09.35Shirikand did it.... then I realized it was ranged
09:09.52Nom-lol
09:09.56Shirikso in attempting to get it to follow me, I ran into another group, ran away from that group into the pack of 10
09:10.26Nom-Paladin solution: Take out board'n'sword, put on Retribution Aura
09:10.30Nom-Priest solution: Shield and Run
09:10.38Nom-^_^
09:11.04Shirikpriests don't do much more than running ^^;
09:11.15JunkHead-WorkI've been playing my Paladin this weekend.
09:11.30JunkHead-WorkI got my Shadow Lab key And almost finished Shadwo Lab.
09:11.43JunkHead-WorkBut that Vorpil boss ate us up.:(
09:11.58ZealotOnAStickon normal or heroic?
09:12.04JunkHead-WorkNormal.
09:12.06Nom-I used to solo Stratholme as holy build :P
09:12.11JunkHead-WorkOur first try we got him to 4k hp.
09:12.17JunkHead-WorkAfter that we never got him close.
09:12.22ZealotOnAStickhow do you wipe to vorpil on normal?
09:12.24JunkHead-WorkWe wiped no less than 6 times.
09:12.27JunkHead-WorkNo clue.
09:12.36ZealotOnAStickdid you have like -no- dps?
09:12.36JunkHead-WorkIt was my first time in Shadow Lab.
09:12.59JunkHead-WorkWe had me healing (holy pally) a prot warrior, hunter, shadow priest and a mage.
09:13.19foxlitblame the tanks/dps!
09:13.21Shirikhahaha
09:13.21Shirikpally dps
09:13.22Shirikfunny
09:13.31JunkHead-Work?
09:13.32ZealotOnAStickThat should be significant enough DPS to just burn his ass down and ignore the adds.
09:13.46JunkHead-WorkZealotOnAStick - We didn't try that. We also didn't try the idea I had.:\
09:13.46foxlitYou can't really ignore his adds :/
09:13.47Nom-Oh the voidwalker guy
09:13.52ZealotOnAStickAlternatively, you let the hunter and his pet play with the adds, on normal, he should be able to waste them fine.
09:13.59Nom-Yea he's a prick if you don't get the voidwalkers down fast enough
09:14.04ZealotOnAStickfoxlit: on normal, sure you can.
09:14.09CodayusVorpil?  On normal?  I've never bothered with the adds.
09:14.11CodayusJust kill him
09:14.14JunkHead-WorkMy idea was to kite him to the north or south hallways so the voids had to walker farther.
09:14.17CodayusZzzz, too easy.
09:14.21CodayusAnd yes, kite helps.
09:14.21JunkHead-WorkBut we never tried it.
09:14.23ShirikJunkHead-Work: We had that idea
09:14.27foxlitJunk: he ports you back and owns you
09:14.28Shirikbut, it doesn't work as well as it seems
09:14.38ZealotOnAStickJunkhead: that's what we do on heroic, because the voids spawn entirely too fast to deal with.
09:14.41JunkHead-Workhere's my theory.
09:14.44JunkHead-WorkDrag him south.
09:14.49JunkHead-WorkHis voids come south.
09:14.52JunkHead-WorkHe ports.
09:14.56ZealotOnAStickfoxlit: You run.  He ports, you immeidately move.
09:14.57JunkHead-WorkYou dodge fire and run north.
09:14.59CodayusOn initial pull kite him fast up the hall, DPS him.  He  teleports, kite him the other way then DPS some more.  He dies, collect loot.
09:15.05JunkHead-WorkVoids are still south.
09:15.08ZealotOnAStickHe chases, you continue dpsing while moving, opposite direction.
09:15.11foxlitIt's not the rain of fire I'm worried about.
09:15.12JunkHead-WorkYou kite him north until he ports.
09:15.21JunkHead-Workthen go back south and voids have to go south again.
09:15.21ZealotOnAStickon normal . . .  Tank him on his little platform and kill him.
09:15.28JunkHead-WorkZealotOnAStick - tried it.
09:15.31foxlitIt's the stockpile of adds in both directions and reduced dps while moving
09:15.37Nom-lol
09:15.49Nom-in either mode, letting the voidwalkers reach the boss is just a pain
09:15.53CodayusMove fast, then stop and DPS until he teleports.  If you kited him far enough, the adds never catch up.
09:15.53JunkHead-WorkYup. I couldn't see why we didn't take him down. but we damn sure didn't.
09:15.55Nom-You should handle them some way
09:16.11foxlitYou should handle them some way up to a certain point
09:16.17JunkHead-WorkSomeone had the idea of tanking him on the west wall.
09:16.19CodayusGood DPS gets him before the 2nd teleport.  Poor DPS gets him before the 3rd, and you MIGHT need to nuke an add or two.
09:16.22JunkHead-Workthen east, then west.
09:16.25ZealotOnAStickRanged DPS isn't very reduced while moving - only the tank needs to moving frequently, the ranged can start at near max, dps until he's past, and then move a bit if needed, on the kiting bit.
09:16.26foxlitHe changes spawn rate at some percentage, which is when you should have your tank kite him around the platform
09:16.30JunkHead-WorkWhich is fine... but isn't far away enough.
09:17.16ZealotOnAStickEach teleport the spawns double, if I remember right.
09:17.30JunkHead-WorkI dunno, but I know they speed up.
09:17.42ZealotOnAStickwhich is still slow enough on normal mode for either a single hunter + put to waste them until he's dead . . . or to ignore and just burn him down before it's an issue.
09:18.04JunkHead-WorkI want to try again. I can see how it is easy.
09:18.13JunkHead-WorkBut we couldn't do it that day at all.
09:18.15ZealotOnAStickAnd the adds aren't an issue in and of themselves even on heroic . .. it's letting him be in proximity of them after a port and him healing that's the problem.
09:18.42JunkHead-WorkHmm... Does he say anything before he ports?
09:18.46JunkHead-WorkI can't remember.
09:18.50Shiriknegative
09:18.57ZealotOnAStickGranted, he's the toughest fight in Shadow Labs as far as the bosses go, but still.
09:18.59JunkHead-WorkOk. That'd make it too easy.
09:19.01Shirikbut I have a feeling it's on a timer
09:19.23JunkHead-WorkIf you knew about 5 seconds before he ported, a frost nova would stop the voids maybe.
09:19.28ZealotOnAStickNothing in there boss-wise is really difficult, the trash is just a pain.
09:19.43JunkHead-WorkOur first group tore through most of the instance easily.
09:19.45ZealotOnAStickJunkHead-Work: some of them, they're generally too spread out.
09:19.52Codayus2nd boss is random enough that occasionally it's tricky....but not *hard*.
09:20.02JunkHead-WorkWe had one death on the ogre boss.
09:20.05JunkHead-WorkThe mage died.
09:20.09ZealotOnAStickThough realistically, you'd only need to concern yourself with the onces closest to his platform.
09:20.34ZealotOnAStickNot much to do there other than do your best and hope you don't get freak bad luck and not be stupid with your aggro.
09:20.52JunkHead-WorkThe group I wa sin explained a lot pretty well.
09:20.55ZealotOnAStickI've had one fight with him in heroic where everything that could possibly go bad luck wise, did.
09:21.04ZealotOnAStickThen the next attempt we slaughtered him with ease.
09:21.19CodayusThe only wipes I've had one the 2nd boss usually involved all the DPS randomly ganking the only healer during the MC.
09:21.34CodayusWhich makes things exciting
09:21.35JunkHead-WorkThe night vefore, we did Sethikk Halls.
09:21.37foxlitThat's why you get a tree!
09:21.56foxlitTrees walk around aimlessly while mindcontrolled, and can stand far enough away to never pick up aggro from anyone :)
09:21.58JunkHead-WorkThat 2nd boss gave us a few headaches, but we eventually downed him out of sheer determination.:P
09:22.29ZealotOnAStickThe only wipe I can remember there, we had freakish nasty charges + crits on both me and the mage at the time, and our shadow priest disconnected.
09:22.47ZealotOnAStickIt ended up being our prot warrior and our holy paladin alive with him at 30%.
09:23.12ZealotOnAStickAnd they took like 7 minutes before they both died, because they were doing pitiful damage to him, and did almost nothing to each other during the MCs.
09:23.16JunkHead-WorkOn what boss?
09:23.32ZealotOnAStickOgre boy in Shadow Lab.
09:23.45ZealotOnAStick(on heroic)
09:23.45JunkHead-WorkAh, that sounds like us on the last boss in sethikk halls.
09:23.58JunkHead-WorkWhen we finally killed him it was me and the warrior.
09:24.00ZealotOnAStickWhich is that one in Sethekk?
09:24.15JunkHead-WorkThe bird guy who does that huge arcane explosion
09:24.19CodayusHeh, I've 2 manned the last boss in sethekk...when I discovered too late that 3 of the people in the party did NOT know the fight
09:24.20ZealotOnAStickOh.
09:24.30ZealotOnAStickNot the elemental summon guy.
09:24.37JunkHead-WorkNo.
09:24.41ZealotOnAStickYeah, we usually only lose rogues or such to him.
09:24.45JunkHead-WorkThat's the 1st one.
09:25.00ZealotOnAStickThere's warning enough to get to a good position to LoS it or just get the hell out of range.
09:25.09JunkHead-WorkWe fought him by the doorway.
09:25.20ZealotOnAStickYeah, not the optimal position.
09:25.24JunkHead-WorkWhen he announced we just ran out to the other side of the wall.
09:25.32JunkHead-WorkYeah the arcane blasts still hit us.
09:25.37JunkHead-WorkOr.. volley or whatever
09:26.27ZealotOnAStickwant to keep him in the middleish of the room, and do as much as you can from range.  I think.  Sethekk is a vague memory to me atm.  Nothing I want there from heroic and other instances are better badge generators.
09:29.09JunkHead-WorkI've never done a heroic instance before.
09:30.54ZealotOnAStickDon't PUG one, is about all I can say, lest you wish to hate and loathe other players.
09:31.37ZealotOnAStickMost of them aren't too bad, but the increased damage and hps allow for little margin of error.
09:32.52JunkHead-WorkYeah I try nto to pug much.
09:33.01JunkHead-WorkShadow Lab was my first pug in months.
09:33.08ZealotOnAStickand the Fel Overseers on heroic Shadow Lab suck ass, hard.
09:33.58ZealotOnAStickI tanked a mostly-pug ramparts run saturday on my L61 druid alt (happened by chance to end up with another guildy's druid alt in the group) . . .
09:34.14JunkHead-WorkThose things suck regardless.:(
09:34.27ZealotOnAStickand by the time we were done, after wiping on vazruden/nazeen or whatever the name is 3 times, I really wanted to throttle the other twits.
09:35.17ZealotOnAStickYeah, but in heroic, they fear like every 28 seconds or something (just short enough to not be catchable by warrior cooldowns each time), they do MS's on cloth for 18k . . .
09:35.30JunkHead-WorkOuch...
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10:14.32Shirik...
10:14.40Shiriksomeone randomly whispers me, I have no idea who he is or how he found me
10:14.45Shirik"Do you know where the gyro thing is"
10:14.49Shiriknow how do you respond to that
10:15.23Bleeter"Yes, and the doctor's told me not to remove it until the Swedish nurses arrive"
10:15.51Shiriklol
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10:35.00JunkHead-WorkI always find it annoying when people do little simple things.
10:35.11JunkHead-WorkLike  when  they  type  like  this
10:36.12JunkHead-Workor,whn,somon,decids,to,nt,use,th,spc,bar,or,mny,vwls
10:37.50Shirikpeople like that I tend to ignore
10:38.05Shirikif you can't type correctly, you aren't worth my time, because I know you won't take the time to learn anything from what I teach you
10:38.22Shiriktypos are one thing, intentionally making things difficult to type just becuase it's too difficult to push one button is another
10:39.04JunkHead-WorkTypos are fine.
10:39.11JunkHead-WorkI can read typo very well.
10:39.18Shirikheh
10:39.19JunkHead-WorkBut some stuff just doesn't make sense...
10:39.34JunkHead-WorkThe comma instead of space guy... I met him in ZF.
10:40.06Shirikis there a reason he used commas instead of spaces?
10:40.33JunkHead-WorkShit if I know...
10:41.16JunkHead-WorkWe killed some boss, and he got a sword or something, that you combine with another sword... something like that. I've never gotten it so i don't know.
10:41.30JunkHead-WorkAnd we waited on him, for a long time...
10:41.34JunkHead-WorkProbably 5 minutes or so.
10:41.53JunkHead-WorkAnd when we asked him what was taking him so long (We though he was gonna bail on us) He never answered.
10:41.57ZealotOnAStickThere's a pair of swords that are a weapon set, but they're stupidly rare.
10:42.11JunkHead-WorkThen when he finally did he was "Tryng,to,cmbne,itms"
10:42.31JunkHead-WorkYeah well.. he got them.
10:43.04JunkHead-WorkOk now... I don't know what the swords are or anything, but I bet I could've read it and figured it out within 30 seconds or so. Not 5 minutes.
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10:47.18JunkHead-WorkOther than that though, the group did really well in ZF. we took down everything without a single problem.
10:55.19ShirikLOL
10:55.32ShirikLooking at that updater from ui.worldofwar.net
10:55.42Shirik"This program requires the .NET Framework 2.0 from Microsoft before it will run."
10:55.48ShirikDepressing where the world is going, really
10:56.25JunkHead-WorkYup.
10:59.09Shirikhm interesting
10:59.13Shirikyou now change channels mid flight?
10:59.20Shirikused to be that you stayed in the channel until you land, I think
10:59.28JunkHead-WorkNever noticed.
11:00.33foxlitYeah, a few patches back
11:01.09Bleeteriirc, that came in around 1.10, 1.11, disappeared in initial 2.0 and returned around 2.03 or so.. tho my memory could just be playing tricks
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12:01.12JunkHead-WorkHmm...
12:02.57subbawtthat is quite the URL
12:05.29JunkHead-WorkQuick question...
12:05.38JunkHead-WorkWhat can you use to get Liquid paper off your fingers?
12:06.57ag`acid
12:07.13JunkHead-WorkI figured just soap and water...
12:07.16Shiriksearing hot tar
12:07.21JunkHead-WorkBut this stuff we got is annoying.
12:07.22Shirika knife
12:07.55Shirika gun would work I think
12:08.06Shirikbut if you do that, it'll just be on the floor now
12:08.11Shirikcauses too much mess
12:08.18JunkHead-WorkHmm... all very convincing.
12:08.24JunkHead-WorkI shall have to onder this.
12:08.30JunkHead-Workponder*
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14:09.57leethalany sane ways to make an addon class based?
14:10.27leethalwas thinking about going UnitClass("myclass") then .... end in the OnEnable
14:10.39leethalif UnitClass("myclass") then .... end that is
14:13.01JoshBorkeyea, that's fine
14:13.17JoshBorkepretty sure UnitClass is available at file processing
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14:14.50nymbiause the second return
14:15.16nymbiabut yeah it's available
14:15.37Shirik|EcoleIT is
14:15.47Shirik|EcoleIf you want.... you could consider...
14:15.53Shirik|Ecolehrm do I have the code with me
14:16.13JoshBorkejust at the top of your code:  local _,class = UnitClass('player')  if (class == 'PALADIN') then <do everything in here> end
14:16.16wereHamster.. or 'if unitclass() == ?? then return end' at the very beginning of the file
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14:16.51Arrowmastermake the very first line if select('2', UnitClass("player")) ~= "CLASSNAMEHERE" then return end
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14:17.36Shirik|Ecoleif you really want to go crazy
14:17.40wereHamsterdoes select() accept a string as the first argument?
14:17.54Shirik|Ecoleleethal: look at how I handled RDXM.Class.Register http://wowi.pastey.net/11216
14:18.04JoshBorkeor you could be super crazy and just make the user disable it :-D
14:18.05Shirik|Ecoleyou don't really have to go that abstract, but you could look at it if you want :)
14:18.33nymbiawereHamster: sure
14:18.35ArrowmasterwereHamster: yes
14:19.28Shirik|EcoleMore specifically, RDXM.Class._IsRelevant
14:19.29Shirik|Ecoleis what you want
14:19.30Arrowmasterif select('2', UnitClass("player")) ~= "CLASSNAMEHERE" then DisableAddOn("INSERTADDONNAMEHERE") return end
14:20.29Shirik|Ecolewouldn't that require a ui reload?
14:20.36Arrowmasterno
14:20.38leethalhmm
14:21.07Arrowmasterthe first time it would disable the addon and completely stop processing the rest of the file because of the return, the second time and on it would never load
14:21.20Shirik|Ecoleoh return, I missed that
14:21.38leethalthis is what I do now - http://tankalert.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/tankalert.lua
14:21.45leethalin the TankAlert:Enable() function
14:22.00leethalperhaps I'll make sure the entire addon is disabled if you're not a warrior, druid or paladin too
14:22.29Shirik|Ecoleif that works, why change it? It's minimal amount of load time difference
14:22.37Arrowmasteryeah just add an else to the end of that if then elseif to have it disable itself
14:22.38Shirik|Ecoleand if you ever make a change, if someone installs your update that now supports a new class
14:22.45Shirik|Ecolethen it would now be disabled
14:22.50Shirik|Ecolebut this is obviously thinking way into the future
14:23.18leethalI'm pretty noob on this, so I thought that it might be a tiny little performance tweak to make sure the addon doesn't monitor the events in question
14:23.41leethalbut I guess that's not the way it works. it's the other way around, isn't it?
14:24.01leethalas in "wow knows which functions to run on event X"
14:24.11Shirik|Ecolethat would improve performance, yes. It would also improve performance if you disable the addon entirely.
14:24.18Shirik|EcoleBut every performance boost has a downside
14:24.37Shirik|Ecoleexcept stupid ones like a = 1 + 1; a = 1 + a; instead of a = 2 + 1;
14:24.38Beladonathey do?
14:25.09Shirik|EcoleYou can't gain something without losing something of equal value.
14:25.23Beladonaerr
14:25.47Shirik|EcoleTake the example of disabling the addon, like I stated earlier
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14:25.53JoshBorkei dunno about you, but i gain fat without losing anything of the same value...
14:25.53BeladonaI must have come in late in this convo, because I am confused on how performance gains in addon coding could require anything to be lost?
14:26.05Beladonadepending on how you went about getting the performance gain of course
14:26.22Shirik|EcoleIf you happen to want to improve your addon sometime down the road, then have others install that update
14:26.33Shirik|EcoleThe user may unknowningly have the addon currently disabled on a character, and can't figure out why it won't load.
14:26.43Shirik|Ecole(I also go on the philosophy that people are stupid)
14:27.04Beladonathats why I prefer the "no process" method
14:27.09Arrowmasteri fully agree with that last statement
14:27.10Beladonarather than full disabling
14:27.18Shirik|Ecolethat's exactly what I agree with :)
14:27.26nymbiawell, then it still parses
14:27.26Shirik|Ecolebut, I can see perfectly good reason to disable it, as well
14:27.43Shirik|Ecolebut it's a tradeoff, as is many optimizations
14:28.05Shirik|Ecolefor example, many speed optimizations require an increase in memory usage. Like I said, nothing is ever gained without something of equal value being lost
14:28.07Shirik|EcoleJoshBorke, in your case
14:28.10Shirik|Ecolethe loss is the animal you ate
14:28.19Beladonayou trade off not having any memory utiulization, for using almost nothing but still have the addon available
14:28.51BeladonaI prefer b due to the "end-user" experience being better
14:29.08Shirik|EcoleI agree
14:29.15nymbiain the case of addons that may someday be expanded for more classes, i'd agree
14:29.26Arrowmasterthe trade off of Shirik|Ecole's ranting is that leethal is now throughly confused
14:29.41nymbiabut if i've got a healer addon, there's no reason not to disable it always and forever on mages.
14:29.47Beladonathe loss/gain rule isn't absolute though
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14:29.50Beladonait is very conditional
14:30.01Shirik|EcoleAye, I made it much more abstract than it should be
14:30.27BeladonaI could increase the perfrormance of an addon AND the memory utilization simply be streamlining the code
14:30.38Beladonabut that depends on the addon, and lots of other variables
14:31.00SpooT^dont know where to ask but i need help with some macros :s ? any1 there can help me ?
14:31.04Shirik|EcoleThat would fall into the category where I said things like a = 1 + 1 +1 instead of a = 1 + 2
14:31.08Shirik|EcoleAsk here SpooT^
14:31.48Arrowmastera = 3
14:31.51Shirik|EcoleAnd leethal, if I did, as Arrowmaster says, thoroughly confuse you
14:31.52BeladonaI do memory and performance passes on each update of my addons, just to see if anything changed, and if I can make it any tigheter
14:32.03SpooT^When i get a level can i get a macro there say "Yeah Ding "level" :s ?
14:32.06Shirik|EcoleUnderstand that it's up to you how you do it, I just wanted to point out that you should be aware of all the options
14:32.08leethal=/
14:32.15Shirik|EcoleCan a macro do that? No, you'd need an addon
14:32.22Beladonamacros can't be reactive
14:32.23SpooT^okay..
14:32.25Beladonato events
14:32.45Beladonathere are already addons that do that though I believe
14:32.56SpooT^ehm ok :s
14:33.09Shirik|EcoleI know of one that takes screenshots when you level
14:33.16Shirik|EcoleI imagine there's got to be one for chat too
14:33.18Shirik|Ecoleif not the same one
14:33.21BeladonaI am not a big fan of automated "congrats" and "ding " addons though
14:33.30Beladonait takes human interaction out of teh equation
14:33.46Shirik|Ecolebtw hi Beladona I don't think I've ever seen you talk here :)
14:33.57Beladonabeen very busy lately
14:34.01Beladonabut hi
14:35.07Shirik|EcoleSpooT^: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5187-DingRecorder.html will notify your guild
14:35.10Beladonathe memory profiling stuff in the next patch is going to be nice
14:35.31Beladonashould be part of everyone's debug code
14:35.34Beladona=)
14:35.53Shirik|Ecolehttp://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5869-Mono_AutoDing.html should work too if it was written correctly (there is no reason such an addon shouldn't work because of the 2.0 changes)
14:36.04Shirik|EcoleBeladona: Yeah I'm looking forward to that a lot
14:37.39Shirik|Ecoleclad|sleep when you wake up, I need to ask you something :)
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14:45.32leethalanyone here used http://wowace.com/index.php/ParserLib before?
14:45.38leethaltrying to make it work outside of Ace
14:46.04leethalI guess the "MyAddon" part in parser:RegisterEvent("MyAddon".....etc) needs an ace addon?
14:49.36ShirikI can't say I have any experience with it I'm afraid :(
14:49.53Shirikwhich is true with just about anything ace :P
14:51.05leethalheh
14:52.01leethalI could perhaps ask this instead: any suggestions on how to get the name of the mob out of the string "Your Righteous Defense was resisted by Blackwind Sabercat"?
14:52.22Shirikuse pattern matching
14:52.24leethalit's easy to do that if I just do it with that string, but I need localization support for it too
14:52.38Shirik"Your Righteous Defense was resisted by (.+)"
14:52.56leethalyeah, that's what I do now
14:53.08leethalthe germans will hate me, though =/
14:53.15Shirikthere's nothing that
14:53.15Shirikoh
14:53.25ShirikReally, if it were me, I'd just localize the string
14:53.57leethalmm, it's a pretty simple addon, so why not
14:54.12leethalthere's no way to get the actual variable used in the GobalStrings.lua somehow?
14:54.21leethalvariable/string/name or whatever it's called
14:54.23Shiriki.e., depending what language, it becomes "Votre Defense Righteous a etre resiste par (.+)
14:54.28Shirikwhich is horribly written but yeah
14:54.40Shirikthere might be
14:54.45JoshBorkeGlobalStrings is available here: http://wdn.wowinterface.com/code/20106448/FrameXML/GlobalStrings.lua
14:55.13leethalhmm
14:55.15ShirikSPELLRESISTOTHER = "%s was resisted by %s.";
14:55.38Shiriknow, you have to modify that slightly
14:55.42Shirikspecifically, replace %s with (.+)
14:56.01leethalhmm, can I use that SPELLRESISTOTHER directly?
14:56.18Shirikoops... SPELLRESISTSELFOTHER = "Your %s was resisted by %s.";
14:56.31Shirikthat is a lua variable, remember that's lua code
14:56.36Shirikso it's setting a global variable
14:56.41Shiriki.e., you can use it all you want
14:56.51leethalI have no idea how do do it though, heh
14:57.06leethalif I knew LUA I'd study how ParserLib did it
14:57.31leethalbut tbh I have absolutely no idea where to start to get those %s thingies
14:58.57subbawtDoes anyone know if lootlink, or any other mod allows you to somehow link items in macros?
14:59.09ShirikI think.... local matcher = string.gsub(SPELLRESISTSELFOTHER, "\\%s", "\\(\\.\\+\\)");
14:59.29Shirikthis should change that string, replacing %s with (.+)
14:59.39Shirikbut I've been doing a lot of PHP regexes today so don't kill me if that's wrong
15:00.24leethalhmm
15:00.26Shiriksubbawt: I don't know of any, though I know of it being requested before. You /could/ go about it through SendChatMessage() but that's just ugly, and might make your macro too long
15:00.54Shirikleethal: Gonna test it on my lua interpreter, one sec
15:01.01leethalShirik: soup for you =)
15:01.11subbawtyeah i thought about hacking together something to do it
15:01.28Beladonahave you tried shift clicking an item while a macro was open? I don't remember if that just prints the name or the actual link
15:01.33subbawtit does nothing
15:01.41Shirikoh? I thought it printed the name
15:01.47Beladonait should print the name yes
15:02.03subbawtokay you're right
15:02.06subbawtit prints the item name
15:02.37Beladonaalso
15:02.45Beladonahave you tried constructing a message, then copying the line?
15:02.52Beladonaand pasting into a macro
15:03.23Beladonaagain, speculation since I am not in a position to test it myself at this very moment
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15:03.35subbawtI have before
15:03.46subbawtif i remember correctly, it has [item] in plain text (not clickable)
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15:06.14Shirikthere we go
15:06.17Shirikleethal, you want
15:06.31Shiriklocal matcher = string.gsub(SPELLRESISTSELFOTHER, "%%s", "(.+)");
15:06.57Shirikthen you can use matcher as the pattern for pattern matching
15:07.05leethalShirik: but.. in english it's "Your Foo was resisted by Bar". What if it's "Bar resisted was your by Foo" in some other language?
15:07.16Shiriklol
15:07.19Shirikbar resisted was your by foo
15:07.33Shirikthat sounded awesome ^^
15:07.36Shirikdunno why
15:07.42subbawtI'm looking on wowwiki, and it says item links are just strings that look something like |cff9d9d9d|Hitem:7073:0:0:0:0:0:0:0|h[Broken Fang]|h|r. Copying and pasting that doesn't get converted into a link though :(
15:07.51Shirikthat's because
15:07.55Shirikthe | gets escaped automatically
15:07.56leethalI don't know french and spanish at all, but for all I know that's how words are, uhm, "ordered" in that language
15:07.59leethalthose languages*
15:07.59Shirikif it didn't, you'd disconnect all the time
15:08.12ShirikI know french, spanish, and japanese, I'm trying to translate right now to see if that would be a problem ;)
15:08.15Shirikgive me a sec, it's been a while
15:08.17leethalhaha
15:08.37ShirikI mean, it's possible to say "Foo resisted your bar"
15:08.40Shirikin english too
15:08.51Shirikthe question really is, then, what.... nope, I got it
15:08.52Shirikok
15:09.14Shirikbasically, Blizzard is using those strings and relying upon the fact that the parameters will always be in the same order
15:09.20Shirikyou can tell that just from the way that they wrote the string
15:09.29Shirikthey're obviously just substituting %s
15:09.45Shiriktherefore I think it's safe to say that you can rely on all localization strings having the same order
15:09.48leethalI see
15:10.00Shirikit's only an assumption, but I think a valid one
15:10.22Shiriksubbawt: If you type a |, it automatically becomes ||
15:10.37Shirikjust like if you were to type \ into a C program, it (should) convert that parameter to \\
15:10.52Shiriknot exactly a good example
15:10.54Shirikbut you see what I mean
15:11.05leethalnow I'll have an interesting couple of hours figuring out how to use that mather heh
15:11.07leethalmatcher*
15:11.45Shirikstring.match ;)
15:11.47subbawtI understand
15:12.09Shirikso that's why you have to do SendChatMessage("thatuglystring");
15:12.24Shirikinstead of being able to just /say "thatuglystring"
15:13.46leethalah, kinda local _, resisted = string.find(arg1, matcher), then?
15:14.00Shirikmm, that would partially work
15:14.11Shirikthat would enable you to tell if it was found
15:14.18ShirikI thought you were trying to figure out the mob's name?
15:14.25leethalyep
15:14.32Shirikthen you want the undocumented string.match
15:14.36leethalI've been using string.find(arg1, "that hardcoded string")
15:14.37leethalI see
15:14.45Shirikstring.match will return n followed by the captures
15:14.50Shirikwhere n is the number of times the pattern was found
15:14.54leethalaha
15:15.02Shirikso you would want
15:15.13Shiriklocal found, _, mobname = string.match(arg1, matcher);
15:15.21Shirikthen you can first test found, then get mobname
15:15.28leethalthanks =)
15:16.04Shirikoops
15:16.06Shirikno
15:16.12Shirikit doesn't return the number of times it matched ><
15:16.15Shirikso it just returns the captures
15:16.26Shirik> = string.match("test", "(t)es(t)");
15:16.26Shirikt t
15:16.31leethalgood enough for me =)
15:16.40Shirikso just _, mobname = string.match()
15:16.45Shirikif mobname == nil, it didn't match
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15:19.52leethalhow do you test all this?
15:20.11leethalalso, as you seem pretty multilingual - any ideas on how to test addons in another environment than english?
15:20.18leethalI guess you need a localized client do do that?
15:20.39Shirikaye, that's something that I've had trouble doign as well :(
15:20.48Shirikthere's a problem with my addon in german and I have no way of testing if it's fixed
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15:20.54Shirikaside from throwing it to someone over there
15:20.56Shirikmorning, cide
15:21.08Cidemorning Shirik
15:21.43leethalit's possible to play on english realms with a german client, isn't it?
15:21.50Shirikno idea
15:22.33Cidepretty sure it is, but I'm not postive
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15:23.30ShirikI just really wish there was a way to change the running language of your client
15:23.33Shirikthat's all that needs to happen
15:23.39Shirikno need to connect to a EU server or something
15:23.46Beladonathere is, but you have to have the localization installed
15:23.57Shirikis that readily accessible?
15:24.03Beladonanot currently
15:24.13Shirikthat's what I thought
15:24.29Beladonabut if you look in your <WOW>\Data folder, there is a folder for enUS
15:24.35Shirikyeh
15:24.46Beladonasupposedly adding other localization data folders would add them as options in the interface dropdown
15:25.18BeladonaI thought I knew someone who had two loclizations installed and it worked, although buggy initially
15:29.15leethalso, where does one get a frFR folder to put in there?
15:29.57Shirikfrance
15:30.20leethalhmm, perhaps I can pretend like I'm french and order a 10 day trial
15:30.28Shirikhehe
15:34.12leethalwoot
15:34.43leethalhttp://www.wow-europe.com/shared/wow-com/downloads/files-wow-trial/WoW-1.9.4-YOUR_LOCALE-Installer-downloader.exe
15:34.57ShirikI'm assuming that link is bad intentionally
15:35.10Beladonathat is an old version
15:35.14Beladonawhich means you would have to patch
15:35.22Beladonawhich means installing the locale patch for that locale
15:35.39BeladonaI am testing something right now to see if you can just install the locale patch straight and get the locale
15:36.10leethalcool, it starts downloading 2.0
15:36.15leethalstill need BC though =/
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15:37.40Elkanoleethal, look into your account management page; there should be downloads for WoW and TBC
15:38.18Elkanoand for EU there are these language packs to install
15:38.22leethalah, thanks
15:38.36GnarfozI thought those were a thing of the past
15:39.33ElkanoGnarfoz, nope, but with the 2.0 restructuring of the client they are a lot more usable
15:40.14Elkanosince with 2.0 the client was divided into language independant data and localized data where the latter is stored in subdirectories named by the locale
15:40.31leethalvery, very nice
15:40.47leethalthat's what you get for being one of those "I think I own the internet" types.
15:41.01Elkano-> http://www.wow-europe.com/en/burningcrusade/download/index.html
15:41.03leethalbeen googling for ages, never even crossed my mind to check the official page
15:41.37leethalthe account management page has a "play in another language" section
15:41.48Elkanoyeah, the ELPs ^^
15:41.48subbawtTrying to write simple addons without knowing LUA is exciting
15:42.00subbawtI always loved programming by guessing
15:42.28leethalsubbawt: I learned a lot of LUA by programming it as I would in Ruby, following LUA rules, and googled error messages =P
15:43.24Elkanoluckily most programming languages are very similar ^^
15:43.26clad|sleepShirik: prefereces are ~/Library/Preferences/com.wowinterface
15:43.35clad|sleepShirik: logs are ~/Library/Logs/APplicationName
15:43.35Shirikah, ok
15:43.48Shirikow..
15:43.48Shirikok
15:43.59Shirikanyway, further question
15:44.01subbawtIm trying to hook SendChatMessage, and keep a copy of the text sent, and store it in a variable to be sent again later (hopefully with item links in tact).
15:44.06ShirikI replaced the jar in the app bundle you gave me
15:44.10Shirikand it made it corrupt :(
15:44.18Shirikmaybe I did it wrong
15:44.29clad|sleepmade _what_ corrupt?
15:44.39subbawtdoes that sound like a completely terrible idea?
15:44.53leethalsubbawt: hook SendChatMessage?
15:44.54Shirikwell, when the guy that was testing it tried double clicking on the app
15:45.02leethalsubbawt: as in fetch every chat messages alltogether?
15:45.04Shirikit just responded with something saying the app was corrupt
15:45.15Shiriknot a java message, mind you, a os message
15:45.28clad|sleepthen maybe we need something else
15:45.29clad|sleepnot sure
15:45.35clad|sleepi can rebuild an .app for you with the new jar files.
15:46.20Shirik(02:34:10) ‹Mike-N-Go› "You cannot open the application "wowuimgr_0_1_78" because it may be damaged or incomplete."
15:46.31subbawtBasically I want all messages i send beginning with "WTS " to be saved in some sort of table.
15:46.38Beladonahttp://www.wow-europe.com/shared/downloads/elp/pc/WoW-Language-Pack-enGB-downloader.exe
15:46.46Beladonareplace enGB with the locale you need
15:46.50Shirikdon't worry abouyt it clad|sleep I'll look into it, just wondering if you knew off the top of your head
15:47.05clad|sleepnope,it was just a guess
15:48.03Beladonasubbawt, couldn't you register for an event and save output?
15:48.06Beladonarather than hook?
15:48.27subbawtprobably -_-
15:48.27Beladonahooking is bad for joo
15:49.51subbawtwhy is it so bad :(
15:50.09Beladonaimagine 5 people hooking teh same function
15:50.35Beladonawhat control do you have over which hook happens first, and that none of the other hooks stop yours?
15:50.54Beladonanot to mention the tainting issue, which is obviously something that can be checked for
15:51.06subbawtIm hoping no one else is stupid enough to hook SendChatMessage
15:51.14subbawtSo i don't have to worry about the first issue
15:51.54Beladonaif there is a way to do it reactionary with an event, I always suggest that over hooking something
15:52.13Beladonaits safer and less "destructive" that way
15:54.44Beladonaanyway, you could register for CHAT_MSG_CHANNEL, and then watch arg2 for the author (making sure it is you) and arg1 for the message used, which is then saved
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16:44.53Beladonaso yeah - if I can get this multiple localization thing working, and they actually get updated correctly each patch - I may add a section to the wdn website that allows you to see each localization of the GlobalStrings file
16:46.32ShirikYou know, they make medication for sleepwalking I believe
16:46.36cladhairei can't link clad|sick
16:46.41cladhaireso i dont bother
16:46.42Shirikwhy not?
16:46.49Shirikyou're still sick? :(
16:47.19cladhaireaye
16:47.29Shirikthen you really should sleep :/
16:47.30cladhaireon the upside now, ideally
16:47.36cladhairei can't sleep anymore right now
16:47.40cladhairebut i'll go back to sleep soon
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17:17.58raevanmorlockHas anyone used the GetBindingKey or GetBindingAction functions before?
17:18.17Shirikcan't say I have, but ask the question anyway
17:18.47raevanmorlockWell--I can't get them to work
17:19.26raevanmorlockEven the code on wowwiki just seems to return nil
17:19.31Shirikthat is a very broad statement
17:19.36Shirikok, that's a bit more specific
17:19.44Shiriknever say something "doesn't work" because that means nothing
17:19.56Shirikit "seems to return nil when it's not supposed to" is much better
17:20.19Shirikwhat command did you use?
17:20.23raevanmorlockdually noted
17:21.02raevanmorlockoh, I tried using Blizzard's code too, but that returns nil also
17:21.34Shirikok, what specifically are you trying to run?
17:22.05raevanmorlockwhat 'cha mean?
17:22.17Shiriklike... what returns nil?
17:22.21Shirikwhat code did you write?
17:22.32Shirikand how do you know it returns nil?
17:23.27raevanmorlocklocal key = GetBindingKey("TOGGLEBACKPACK")
17:23.28raevanmorlockif key then : ChatFrame1:AddMessage("The key: "..key) : else : ChatFrame1:AddMessage("None") : end
17:24.17Shirikand what happens?
17:24.20Shirikyou get an error?
17:24.36Shirik(and those colons aren't really there, right?)
17:25.17raevanmorlockyeah.. I thought the colons were line-separaters in LUA... but apparently not. But, when the code is on multiple lines and works, it prints None
17:25.33Shirikok, is this in a Lua file?
17:25.40Shirik>>> return GetBindingKey;
17:25.41CideShirik: nil
17:26.35Shirikis it in a lua file or are you trying to type this into the chat window?
17:26.46raevanmorlockin a lua file
17:27.08Shirikhm, let me log into WoW
17:27.25raevanmorlockdammit... I found the problem
17:27.31raevanmorlockThe bindings aren't loaded yet
17:27.55Shirikheh
17:28.33ShirikHA!
17:28.40ShirikTurnItIn.com is getting sued by students
17:28.44Shirikfor copyright infringment
17:29.58raevanmorlockWhat are they?
17:30.08raevanmorlocker.. what's the site for?
17:31.09Shirikit's like
17:31.18Shirika place for students to "turn in" work online to their teachers
17:31.34Shirikwhere it runs through a screening process to detect plagurized work
17:31.47Shirikbut I'm guessing the stuff it screens against is copyright
17:31.50Shirikcopyrighted*
17:32.10raevanmorlockEverything is copyrighted... that shouldn't stop you from comparing it against something
17:32.20ShirikI never used it myself, but I know that my high school was converting over to it
17:32.25Shirikjust as I was leaving
17:32.41Shirikhere let me read the article and I'll tell you exactly why they're being sued
17:32.54raevanmorlockMy college does everything electronically... it's pretty nice
17:33.43raevanmorlockalrighty
17:34.05ShirikThursday, March 29, 2007 --- Four high school students have filed a lawsuit
17:34.05Shirikagainst an anti-plagiarism service, accusing the company of violating
17:34.05Shirikcopyright laws by archiving student papers and works.
17:35.15ShirikThe company archives about 100,000 papers a day from high school students, meaning the system’s database is constantly increasing. The archive allowed iParadigm to make about $10 million in 2003 alone, yet it pays the students nothing.
17:35.17Shirikso that's the complaint
17:36.23raevanmorlockoooh now that makes total sense.. yeah.. screw that site!
17:36.35dieckhi there. does anyone know if the riding enchancements (carrot+enchant+spurs or riding crop) also apply to the druid flight form?
17:36.43ShirikI am told they do not
17:36.52dieckhm, that's sad
17:36.57Shirikit's logical
17:37.01Shirikflight form is not a mount
17:37.13dieckwould "minor speed enchancement" enchant on boots work then?
17:37.18raevanmorlockand how ya gonna use a riding crop on yourself while you're flying?
17:37.24dieckthat's for running
17:37.29Shirikcarrot on a stick
17:37.32Shirikstick it in front of yourself
17:37.33Shiriklol
17:37.44raevanmorlocklol
17:37.46Shirikdieck: I've theorized about that
17:37.50Shirikand my theory is that it should work
17:37.53dieckraevanmorlock: I believe there are adult magazines for that :)
17:37.56Shirikbut I've been wrong about almost everything
17:38.00Shirikwoah
17:38.12raevanmorlockkinky
17:38.29dieckso, because you're wrong about most things Shirik, it won't work? ;)
17:38.38ShirikI never said most things
17:38.42ShirikI meant...
17:38.43Shirikhm
17:38.54Shirikok I MEANT I've been wrong about every subject at least once
17:39.05ShirikI'd like to say that I'm usually right, but that would be egotistical to say the least
17:39.28dieckbut what if you're wrong about being wrong? :)
17:39.54Shirikthat would be impossible, because if I was wrong about being wrong then I'd be right which is inherently wrong because I was wrong about being wrong
17:40.34dieckok then, I'll find me a nice pair of boots for minor speed enchancement and will try if my druid flies faster using them :)
17:40.34raevanmorlockAnd then the world would end
17:41.26ShirikSHOW PROCESSLIST;
17:41.27Shiriksorry
17:42.08raevanmorlockyou're forgiven
17:43.28raevanmorlockI'm lookin at the ChatFrameTemplate, but it's like 1000 lines long.. so, does anyone know a simple way of making an object with a border that can scale to any size?
17:45.16raevanmorlockFloatingChatFrameTemplate*
17:50.03raevanmorlockwell that's a resounding no
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17:56.30raevanmorlockso I made a copy out of it, stripped out everything I figured I didn't need, and I'm left with a white box.. hoora!
17:57.27raevanmorlockoooh texcoords... that's the mystical thing I was looking for
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18:06.43raevanmorlockAnyone know why Blizzard decided to have TexCoords specified in percentages instead of pixels?
18:08.32cladhairebecause there are no "pixels" in wow.
18:08.55Beladonascaling
18:09.33Shiriktake the example where you do a SetPoint() and then change the scale. Notice that the frame appears to move, though the point is precisely the same
18:09.55cladhaireI have a button which is parented to WorldMapDetailFrame, and I'm trying to make a tooltip appear when i mouseover it.. but it won't show up.. any have anythign I can look at?
18:10.23Shiriksorry I don't use tooltips :(
18:10.28Beladonathe tooltip is SetOwner-ed to teh button?
18:10.49cladhairei've tried that, and the worldmapdetailframe
18:10.49cladhaireyeah
18:10.54Beladonahmm
18:10.54cladhaireit _shows_
18:10.58cladhairejust undernearth everything
18:11.00Beladonabut not on screen
18:11.03Beladonaahh
18:11.08Shirikset frame strata?
18:11.11raevanmorlockwhat's the strata?
18:11.12cladhairei did
18:11.15Beladonais it a custom tooltip?
18:11.19Beladonaor GameTooltip?
18:11.24cladhaireboth the regular one, and a custom one.
18:11.27cladhairei've tried.
18:11.56Beladonaif it is set to the TOOLTIP strata, I dont see how it could be showing behind it's owner
18:12.19Beladona<-- needs some code
18:12.47cladhairehttp://dongle.pastey.net/11251
18:13.22cladhaireself.tooltip = CreateFrame("GameTooltip", "TomTomTooltip", Minimap, "GameTooltipTemplate")
18:15.15Beladonahmm
18:15.25Beladonasomething seems weird but I can't place it
18:15.35cladhairei happen to agree
18:15.54Beladonayou tried SetOwner on your button?
18:16.05Beladonainstead of WorldMapDetailFrame
18:16.06cladhaireyes
18:16.24cladhairethe button is parented to WorldMapDetailFrame as well
18:16.43Shirikum
18:16.50Shirikwhere did "self" come from?
18:16.55cladhaire... the button
18:16.55Shirikoh that's an event
18:16.56Shiriknm
18:17.03ShirikI should go to sleep
18:17.07cladhaireheh
18:18.04Shirikhonestly I don't see anything wrong with that code
18:18.22Shirikthe problem's likely elsewhere... I don't see how it could be appearing behind something else
18:18.25cladhairehrm
18:18.25BeladonaI am jumping in-game to mess with it
18:18.27Shirikis the "something else" also your code?
18:18.28cladhaireif i :SetParent() it
18:18.29cladhaireit works
18:18.36cladhaireno, there's nothing else.
18:18.39cladhairethis is _it)
18:18.51Shirikwell if it's behind something, then there has to be something else ><
18:18.52BeladonaI was wondering about the Minimap parent reference when you created it
18:19.06cladhairehrm
18:19.08cladhairei should parent it to UIParent
18:19.16BeladonaI was gonna suggest UIParent instead
18:19.45cladhairehrm that doesn't fix it.
18:20.04cladhaireoh you can't do that
18:20.10cladhairecuase UIParent is HIDDEN when the worldmap is shown
18:20.11cladhairelol
18:20.52Shirikbut setting parent to nil makes it have issues?
18:21.06cladhairedunno
18:21.06Shirik(you are allowed to set parent to nil, I've done it before to prevent alt-z from hiding something)
18:22.04cladhairethat works fine
18:22.08cladhairehow very odd, =)
18:22.20cladhairemakes sense
18:22.21cladhairebut peculiar =)
18:22.33Beladonathat doesn't make me happy
18:22.35Shirikbut if you didn't :SetParent
18:22.37BeladonaI want to know exactly why
18:22.40Shirikit goes behind things?
18:23.16cladhaireno, its simple
18:23.22cladhaireeverything is parentsed to UIParent
18:23.27cladhaireUIParent is hidden when the worldmap is shown
18:23.27Beladonathat makes me think there is something wrong elsewhere
18:23.34Beladonaahh
18:23.41cladhaireSetOwner() doesn't change the parent.. so it didn't work.
18:24.02Shirikmaybe I'm just confused about what the problem was in the first place
18:24.12Shirikoh well it works now, I'm too tired to even remember this conversation in a few hours
18:24.19cladhaire...
18:24.21cladhaireuhh k.
18:24.24Beladonasetting it's parent to the worldmap frame should theoretically do the same as nil then
18:24.33ShirikI guarantee you, I wake up and I won't have remembered this ;)
18:24.40cladhaireBeladona: and yes, it worked.
18:24.47cladhairebtu the WorldMapFrame is hidden when the UIParent is shown
18:24.50cladhaireand this is used in both places.
18:24.57cladhaireon the minimap, and the worldmap
18:24.58Shirikah ok I get it
18:25.32Shirikone thing you should be aware of, though, cladhaire as I found out
18:25.46Shiriksetting parent to nil also results in the frame not having its scale set along with the rest of the UI
18:26.01Shiriki.e., if someone changes the UI scale in options, that does not traverse to your frame
18:26.30Beladonaclad, just inherently setParent as part of the function
18:26.34Beladonadepending on where it is used?
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18:26.51cladhaireone of the two
18:26.54cladhairei'll play with it =)
18:27.05Beladonainteresting issue though
18:27.13BeladonaI like those kinda of issues
18:27.31ShirikI'm kinda curious
18:27.45Shirikwhat tooltip do you need to display both when the world map and the main ui is displayed?
18:27.53cladhairei dont want to make two tooltips.
18:27.55cladhaireits that simple.
18:27.58cladhaireso i use one.
18:28.01Shirikah
18:28.04cladhaireand i need one i can safely set an OnUpdate on
18:28.09cladhaireso i make my own instead of using GameTooltip
18:30.04Beladonacan you create a blank frame that is parented to nil, and have the tooltip parented to that. Or will it still not pick up the scaling of UIParent?
18:30.21cladhairethat's the same thing I'm doing
18:30.24cladhaireand it woudln't pick up the scaling
18:30.53cladhairethe solution is to setparent to the icon i'm mousing over
18:30.53Beladonathats better anyway
18:31.52raevanmorlockCan I create a virtual texture?
18:32.12Beladonaso apparently those lang packs dont want to play nice
18:32.41Beladonathe lang packs revert your client to 2.0, which forces you to repatch, which means you have to patch for each lang pack
18:33.19Beladonathey need a "international" patch version that updates all lang packs
18:34.14Beladonato make things even better, each localized patch updates your client, which means you can't run the update for the next lang pack due to a version mismatch in wow.exe
18:34.24Beladonawhat a mess
18:34.29raevanmorlockNevermind.. I apparently can
18:34.55cladhaireCan anyone think of a fun way to allow say, control-clicking on the minimap to set a TomTom waypoint?
18:35.35foxlitGatherer allows translating map coordinates to minimap location, so your problem is catching the click coordinates?
18:35.54cladhaireno
18:36.01cladhairethat's easy
18:36.05cladhaireand i can set wapoints.
18:36.08cladhaireTomTom already works...
18:36.26cladhairejust wondering an easy way to catch clicks on the minimap without being horribly intrusive.
18:36.45foxlit:HookScript()?
18:37.03cladhairethat's an ace function
18:37.10cladhaireisn't it?
18:37.15cladhairei'd have to hooksecurefunc
18:37.28cladhairei always get behind on what slouken gives us =)
18:37.37foxlitIt isn't
18:37.57cladhairewell it is an ace function
18:38.01cladhairebut there may be a general one too
18:38.11foxlitIt's either in 2.0 or 2.1; someone asked for a hooksecurefunc version for frames
18:38.18nuoHep_its in the 2.1 afaik
18:38.18zenzelezz2.1
18:38.28cladhaireyeah didn't think we had it yet.
18:38.34cladhairei can postclick it without much drama
18:38.48Shirik2.1
18:39.00Shirikand HookScript() is nothing more than convenience for hooksecurefunc()
18:39.14cladhaireShirik: not true.. hooksecurefunc() would hook the metatable entry, which would be bad.
18:39.25cladhaireyou'd need a closure to do the same thing with hsf
18:39.35Shirikhooksecurefunc() allows you to hook a specific frame as well, not necessarily the metatable
18:39.49cladhaireyes, and frames don't have methods
18:39.56cladhairethey have metatables for their methods
18:40.18cladhairerawget(PlayerFrame, "OnClick") is nil
18:40.35Shirikhm
18:40.39cladhaireso you would be hooking the method for all of that frame type
18:40.50cladhaireotherwise slouken wouldn't have implemented it =)
18:41.01Shirikbut what does PlayerFrame:GetScript("OnClick") return?
18:41.17ShirikPlayerFrame:GetScript("OnClick") == PartyFrame1:GetScript("OnClick") ?
18:41.46Shirikor whatever the party frames are called
18:42.12cladhairethose return different functions
18:42.18Shirikso...
18:42.22cladhairefor TargetFrame and PlayerFrame at least
18:42.41Shirikhooksecurefunc(PlayerFrame:GetScript("OnClick"), somefunction) ?
18:42.48ShirikI mean, this is just how I've always seen it
18:42.53Shirikit may very well be wrong
18:43.30cladhairehrm, that would work, I think.
18:45.55foxlithooksecurefunc([table,] "function", hookfunc)
18:45.58TemShirik, that's wrong
18:46.27Temyou need to use the new function to securehook a script
18:46.30Temwhich... may or may not even be in the current patch
18:46.30foxlityou can't get "function" out of :GetScript()
18:46.38Shirikah, yes that's correct
18:46.48Shirikbut... what about hooksecurefunc(PlayerFrame, "OnClick", function) then
18:46.51Tembut really, you shouldn't need to securehook a script very often
18:46.58ShirikI agree
18:47.04TemShirik, that will try to hook PlayerFrame.OnClick
18:47.20TemThe PostClick and PreClick handlers were created for this very reason
18:47.22TemUSE THEM
18:47.29ShirikI have no use for them
18:47.37Shirikthis is an abstract discussion
18:47.57Temah I didn't read above
18:48.04foxlitPlayerFrame.OnClick == nil
18:48.08Temand no, hookscript is not a conveneince function
18:48.18Temit's something you simply cannot do right now
18:48.33Temalso, cladhaire, it won't hook a metatable entry unless you give it the metatable
18:48.43cladhaireI suspected so
18:48.49cladhairehadn't played tho
18:48.57cladhairei knew we couldn't do it for some reason =)
18:49.04Temcladhaire, hooksecurefunction(getmetatable(frame).__index, "SetValue",...) for example
18:49.17TemALSO, the scripts aren't stored in a metatable entry
18:49.43cladhairescripts aren't.. frame methods are
18:49.47Temright :)
18:50.17Temyou *might* be able to securehook a single frame's method
18:50.29Beladonacladhaire: : check out my wdnMinimap
18:50.30TemI haven't tried to see if the metatableness breaks it
18:50.37cladhaireBeladona: huh?
18:50.42BeladonaI catch shift-clicks with it and pass through regular clicks
18:50.59Beladonaon the minimap
18:51.00cladhaireon the minimap
18:51.03cladhairei need the worldmap
18:51.06cladhaireand i know how to do it
18:51.09Beladonaahh
18:51.13cladhairejust need to figure out what damn frame is getting clicked on
18:51.33Shirikdoes hooksecurefunc() accept the name of anything?
18:51.34TemWorldMapFrame?
18:51.35Shiriknm
18:51.37Shirikpointless question
18:51.45cladhaireTem: no
18:51.47TemShirik, it either accepts the name of a function global or a table and the string key to a function
18:51.56Shirikright, any function global
18:51.56Temcladhaire, oh then it's probably WorldMapOverLay#
18:52.06Shirikbut it doesn't matter because the function would be initially insecure anyway
18:52.42Tems/OverLay/Overlay/
18:52.52Shirik$_G['PlayerFrameOnClick'] = PlayerFrame:GetScript("OnClick"); hooksecurefunc("PlayerFrameOnClick", somehookfunction); PlayerFrame:SetScript("OnClick", PlayerFrameOnClick);
18:52.54Shirikbut that won't work
18:53.17cladhairemainly because the $ is a syntax error in lua *cackle*
18:53.22Shirikgrr
18:53.26Shiriksorry I've been doing a lot of php today
18:53.33cladhaireheheh
18:53.42cladhaireTem: WorldMapButton_OnClick will do it just fine
18:54.01Temcladhaire, gogo grep?
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18:54.11cladhairenot so much
18:54.12cladhairebut it works
18:54.13cladhaireheh
18:54.15BeladonaI was just looking at that on wdn
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18:54.27kneeki|atworkHey all
18:55.21Shirikevening
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19:03.07kneeki|atworkhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgtyldovw9k
19:03.10kneeki|atworkftw
19:03.34Shirikcladhaire you know svn well, right?
19:03.39cladhaireyes
19:03.54Shirikok, to make a post-commit script I make a file post-commit right?
19:04.06cladhaireyes
19:04.09cladhaireis this unix or windows?
19:04.11Shirikwhere do I put it?
19:04.13Shirikunix
19:04.26cladhairethen it needs to be chmod 755, and be executable without interpreter
19:04.51Shirikit'll just be a bash script, it's just going to run svn export
19:05.11cladhaireok
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19:05.24cladhaireit gets run with no environment
19:05.26Shirikbut, I'm assuming I don't put it in the root of the repository
19:05.40cladhaireno, in the hooks directory
19:05.45cladhaireit doesn't go in the repo
19:05.55Shirikhmm, let me connect to it
19:06.01Shirikdon't remember seeing that
19:06.33cladhaireit doesn't go in the repository.. it goes in the unix file system for the repository
19:07.41kergothit goes in the repository, not a working copy, to put it another way.
19:07.51cladhaireaye
19:07.58Shirikah, I found it
19:08.05Shirikand just stick it in there and it'll run?
19:08.09cladhairemy brain is mixed today
19:08.20Shirikoh
19:08.25ShirikI see there's already a bunch of stuff there ><
19:08.32raevanmorlockWhat's a good BLP viewer?
19:08.58Shirikbut cladhaire just LOVES to help me :D
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19:29.57BeladonaI just convert my blp's to png, and view in anything I want
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19:42.13kergothfor anyone here using linux, found my latest useful dotfile bit, its a good one
19:42.43kergoth"set match-hidden-files Off" in your ~/.inputrc so tab completion doesnt match hidden files unless you start it with a . manually.  no more .svn dirs choking the tab completion
19:42.44kergoth<3
19:43.10Shirikinteresting
19:43.31Shirikthough I tend not to have that problem as I type about 3 chars before trying doing a tab completion, but interesting
19:44.17kergothsay you have foo/bar/baz, and baz has the content, foo and bar are empty dirs, but all are in svn.  foo/<tab> will stop.  with this, you'd just foo/<tab><tab> and you're there
19:44.37kergothi just find its pretty uncommon to want to tab complete a hidden file, and if you do, you do so explicitly
19:44.40kergothso no point matching them by default
19:44.52Kirkburn'ere, this guy on #wowwiki doesn't know Skippy the Bush Kangaroo! :(
19:45.01Shirikwho's that?
19:49.24Kirkburnnorgs is an Aussie, no?
19:49.51KirkburnAnd I am severly disappointed by the lack of "zomg, what a philistine!" responses.
19:49.54KirkburnPhilistines.
19:51.01JumpeeDoes a frame have to be seen on the game screen to be considered 'visible' for purposes of using OnUpdate?
19:51.13JoshBorkeJumpee: no
19:51.28JoshBorkeit just has to return IsVisible() == true (or is it IsShown()?)
19:52.20JumpeeSo how do you make it not seen, alpha = 0?
19:52.41zenzelezzjust don't give it any visual effects
19:52.47JoshBorkealpha = 0, scale = 0, don't give it any visual effects, etc
19:53.37Jumpeeok, I had thought it had to be seen to be visible.
19:54.20raevanmorlockBeladona, what do you use to convert them to PNGs? I just got BLP2PNG, but it's a little buggy/annoying.
19:56.55Beladonathats what I use
19:57.00Beladonahaven't had any issues
19:57.31raevanmorlockmeh.. alrighty
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20:16.34JoshBorkequestion for the peanut crowd.  when I do parent:SetAlpha(x), does that set the alpha of the child frames?
20:17.08kergothpeanuts sound good
20:18.07hasteJoshBorke: I believe so
20:18.11JoshBorkeit seems like it does
20:18.15JoshBorkebut that seems weird to me
20:18.26JoshBorkebecause it's different than how scale works
20:20.26kergothdoes it override the child alpha, or is it combined in some fashion?
20:20.42JoshBorkeit seems to override
20:20.50JoshBorkebut you can then set alpha on the child and it ignores the parent
20:21.10KirkburnSkipinder the Punjabi Kangaroo ... enjoy :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eU8xr5HxaAY
20:23.23wereHamsterkergoth, the ~/.inputrc thing, does that also work with bash?
20:23.28kergothbash uses readline.
20:23.31kergothone of many apps that do
20:23.34kergothinputrc controls readline
20:23.39kergothshort answer: yes, i use bash :P
20:24.07wereHamsterwell.. you can compile bash without readline :P
20:24.21kergothpfft, thats silly
20:24.24kergoth<3 readline
20:24.56wereHamsterall it takes is one simple USE flag :)
20:28.21leethalwhen you have a foo, bar = fubar thingie - how did you get that bar only? I remember it was something like get_thingie(2, fubar)
20:29.24kergothi really wouldnt see the point of leaving out readline.  it handles history and completion well
20:29.25kergothselect()
20:29.25kergothis what you're thinking of
20:29.25leethalah, thanks =)
20:29.40kergothnp
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20:53.08cladhaireoooh
20:53.09cladhairenew Starshards at level 66.
20:53.30cladhairewho needs shadowfiend when i've got starshards
20:54.15kergothi'd sure like it if the tools i need to do work, at work, would stop segfaulting
20:54.15kergothmakes it rather difficult
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21:06.35KirkburnThese are really funny - http://www.istartedsomething.com/20070407/new-day-new-office-videos/
21:07.05KirkburnNightmare will probably tickle the most bones :)
21:07.06JoshBorkeis there a SavedVariablesPerServer?
21:09.15cladhaireno
21:10.02JoshBorkedidn't think so.  thanks
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21:26.54JoshBorkepurl, hug Cairenn
21:26.57purlACTION gets a running start and tackle-hugs Cairenn
21:27.41Cairennpurl, hug JoshBorke
21:27.42purlACTION hugs JoshBorke
21:32.08foxlitNeed a bit of help designing a protocol, but it's a bit of a long story
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21:33.03foxlitGot a buffing addon that automatically detects spellnames from spellbook based on their textures, rather than lugging around translation libraries
21:33.21JoshBorkeyou could also use spell ids
21:33.25JoshBorkebut continue
21:33.33JoshBorkewell, i guess you couldn't really.  anyway
21:33.38foxlitCan't, really.
21:33.49KirkburnCairenn, ever heard of Skippy the Bush Kangaroo?
21:33.53foxlitIt works fine for the local player, can get a list of buff names in whatever locale they happen to be using
21:34.21foxlitI'd like to share those buff names with the people in the raid/party/guild, so that I can run buff detection based off localized names rather than textures.
21:35.47KirkburnY'know, one day I'll go downstairs and my dad won't have quite obviously just switched the channel from something more salubrious
21:35.49foxlitProblem is, if a large enough fraction of a 25-man raid uses the addon, and it attempts to sync, there's probably going to be a large amount of redundancy
21:35.54BleeterSkippy was a paedophile
21:36.03Kirkburnheh
21:36.09Bleetersuspected of involvement in bestiality, too
21:36.13Bleeterbut that was never caught on film
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21:42.19KirkburnBleeter, did you watch my Skipinder links?
21:43.04Bleeternope
21:43.51Bleetercan't be bothered scrolling back to find them.. on a tangenental note, I have (1) only Bennett's Wallaby in my back yard this morning, probably wandered down to eat the fuchias. Interested in any skippy burgers?
21:47.14CairennKirkburn: sorry, was tied up in another channel dealing with something - the name doesn't sound familiar to me
21:47.50Kirkburn:(
21:48.18Kirkburnhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCHY6n907OE
21:48.39KirkburnThe above should be followed by ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eU8xr5HxaAY :)
21:49.42KirkburnBleeter, second one is for you especially =)
21:50.01Cairennrofl! Flipper, only on land and in Australia!
21:53.32Cairennhahahaha at the second one!
21:55.43Cairennoh
21:55.45Cairennmy
21:55.45Cairenngod
21:55.47Cairennhttp://epicslut.ytmnd.com/
21:55.48Gryphonye3s?
21:56.27Cairennlol Gryphon
21:56.54Gryphon:)
21:58.03Kirkburnlol
21:58.52KirkburnSkipinder, skipinder, skipinder the punjabi kangaroo!!
21:59.24KirkburnY'know, I've never ever visited Craigslist
21:59.49zenzelezzcuriously enough, millions of other Internet users also haven't
22:00.21KirkburnThat's crazy!
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22:08.57KirkburnHey, people seen the 2.1.0 professions preview? http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=93032551&postId=930146591&sid=1#0
22:09.41Kirkburn"11 new epic goggles have been introduced at 350 engineering skill and are available from the trainer. They range from cloth to plate, and have a variety of stats to appeal to most talent specs."
22:09.53wereHamsteryay for the fishing changes :)
22:10.01KirkburnYeah, they're awesome!
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22:12.32zenzelezzplate goggles? Must be heavy on the nose
22:14.07wereHamstermaybe they are out of some kind of alloy :)
22:14.28wereHamster.. mixed with a lighter material
22:14.54Mr_Rabies2maybe they're aluminum plates
22:15.40zenzelezzthey should make quasi-x-ray goggles, turns females naked. Would encourage more people to train engineering
22:16.21zenzelezzor at least force hunters to be goblin engineers
22:17.11wereHamsterwhy?
22:17.26zenzelezzjumper cables
22:17.46Mr_Rabies22.10 ptr sometime soon?
22:18.03zenzelezzI expect we'll see 2.1 through 2.9 before 2.10
22:18.36zenzelezzand no, "10" is not the same as "1.0"
22:18.56Mr_Rabies2er i meant 2.1.0
22:19.01Mr_Rabies2i think.
22:19.02wereHamster>>> 10 == 1.0
22:19.02CidewereHamster: false
22:19.03Mr_Rabies2my brain hurts
22:19.06wereHamstersee.. ?
22:19.29Mr_Rabies2whatever they're calling the next content patch, 2.1.0 i think
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22:20.03Kirkburnrawr
22:20.08Gryphonono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle.
22:24.09cladhaireblizzard's versioning is not very difficult.
22:24.22cladhaireif you don't get it, you should cry yourself to sleep, right NOW.
22:25.05Mr_Rabies2i just forget what version we're on now
22:25.12Mr_Rabies2i haven't played in a month or so probably
22:25.12zenzelezzwell, I've found that many MMO players don't seem to realize that what comes after x.9 doesn't have to be x+1.0
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22:27.51wereHamsterthat's because most games only run on windows - every *nix user known the x.y.z versioning scheme
22:27.54JoshBorkehehe
22:28.01JoshBorkeapparently i'm running an outdated version of gaim
22:28.11JoshBorkethe current version is:  302
22:28.16zenzelezzmay be true, but even Windows programs don't need to do .9->1.0
22:28.18Mr_Rabies2they could name the next patch 2.0.757857557578575 if they wanted, it's pretty arbitrary, as long as they can all agree on the number :O
22:28.57Mr_Rabies2it's just much less confusing to make sense with it
22:29.09Bleeterall versions of gaim are outdated
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22:29.24Bleeterand, theoretically, illegal after.. sometime in the first week in next month
22:29.27JoshBorkeThe current version is HTTP/1.1 302 Found
22:30.18foxlitJoshBorke: it's not called gaim anymore
22:30.49Bleeterhence I'm not suprised it's not found
22:31.00foxlithttp://linux.slashdot.org/linux/07/04/07/2014230.shtml
22:31.17Mr_Rabies2i still use trillian :x
22:31.27Bleeterscrew /. http://www.pidgin.im/ top story
22:31.33Mr_Rabies2gaim and miranda were just too unstable for me, i like trillian better :P
22:32.13wereHamsterheh.. pidgin uses git :)
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22:32.28Bleeter'sif
22:32.31Bleetermonotone
22:32.33foxlitgaim works fine :)
22:32.47Bleeter*'sif git
22:32.51JoshBorkeok, ok, i'm going to go read
22:34.22Bleeterreason gaim's been unstable -> caught up in lengthy legal batlle over past 6 years leading developers to get less excited about doing real code work in case they get sued
22:34.22Bleeterword for any OSS devs, set up a non-profit, register an intent to TM your mod... you never know which set of asshats may want to sue you
22:34.22zenzelezzso it's expected that Pidgin will be(come) more stable?
22:34.22Bleeter*your mod name
22:34.23wereHamsterdoes monotone also use sha hashes?
22:34.23BleeterwereHamster: yes
22:34.53Bleeterzenzelezz: yes, we are planning to return to the old release series (patches/fixes once a fortnight, functionality updates every month or so, major updates when ready)
22:35.09zenzelezzsounds neat
22:35.17Bleeteras opposed to the eternal beta bullshit forced upon us by performing an act of good faith towards AOL
22:36.29Corrodiasoh jesus @ profession list
22:36.34Corrodias*change list length
22:37.28Corrodiasaaah DAMN. i wanted to keep stacking elixir of major agility and elixir of the mongoose. :(
22:37.52Bleeterneedless to say, pidgin still has a hell of a battle on it's hands to be code ready in time before the agreement comes into full force
22:39.04Corrodias"Fishing has been removed from Arathi Basin and Alterac Valley. " -- the end of an era
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22:41.31JoshBorkeno more not catching fish, woohoo
22:42.21Gryphonwell, im sure they will still get away
22:42.54JoshBorkeindeed
22:43.02JoshBorkebut waiting 30 seconds to not even get a chance sucked
22:43.08Gryphonya
22:43.34foxlitFishing skillups suck in general
22:43.55foxlitYou might as well port to SW, toss rod, afk for 30 seconds, click, rinse, repeat to level from 300 -> 375
22:46.17JoshBorkei fished where-ever i could catch valuable fish
22:48.28JoshBorkeread, listen for sound, catch, cast, read
22:48.36Garoun|Loupanadoes everyone just use Transcriptor to log boss fights for review or is there another mod out there now?
22:49.31Garoun|LoupanaI'm referring to the logs of what event fired when the boss did x, or what was said prior to y, been using Trans but was curious if there was a differentone
22:50.29foxlitfunny, PvP-pots stack based on purchase token-type
22:50.38foxlitSo you can have 40 PvP-manapots, 10 from each token
22:53.35Bleeterhah! http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=93173035&pageNo=1&sid=1#9
22:55.04JoshBorkethat's awesome
22:55.14IndustrialI just started using del.icio.us
22:55.24Industrialdoes anyone else here use it so i can browse your stuff :D?
22:55.46kergothi use it, but havent used it much lately, so havent been many new posts
22:57.19Industrialhttp://del.icio.us/Industri4l
23:03.56leethalwhatis % in unicode?
23:04.04leethalwhat is*
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23:05.36wereHamsterI was thinking.. the minimap has a small resolution.. how sbout taking the mount, fly above he ground, make screenshots and stitch them to a super-detailed map.. ?
23:05.56leethalany link to a reference page will do too =) can't find anything
23:06.21wereHamsterreference page? google.com :P
23:06.32leethalwereHamster: been trying that for 15 mins now, still nothing
23:07.01MentalPowerleethal: http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/0023/index.htm
23:07.07MentalPoweraka, same as ASCII
23:07.21Garoun|Loupanaalso: http://unicode.org/
23:08.21leethalhmm
23:08.42Garoun|Loupanahttp://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U0000.pdf
23:09.05leethaluhm.. which of these - http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/0025/index.htm - do I put in the string?
23:09.45leethalthose \123\123 thingies - what sort of encoding is that anyways? Never seen it before, for some reason I thought it was unicode
23:09.49wereHamsterI'd go with the '%' :)
23:10.31leethalthere's gotta be a compiled list somewhere? =/
23:10.48leethalusing a % in the string raises errors, as I'm using string.find on it
23:11.09MentalPowerthats cause % is a special char in string.find
23:11.13MentalPoweruse %% instead
23:11.15leethaloh
23:11.29leethalthanks =)
23:11.51wereHamsterleethal, you should have said that you're trying to ue it in use string.find in the first place.. ;)
23:12.59leethalah
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23:13.51wereHamsteralso, wowwiki has a good page about lua search patterns
23:14.36clad|awaywereHamster: those maps already exist
23:14.39clad|awayall over the place, actually
23:14.41clad|awayincluding in-game =)
23:15.04wereHamsteryou mean.. in an addon?
23:15.11clad|awayhttp://mapwow.com/ and http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info4497-Yatlas.html
23:15.15clad|awayfor example.
23:16.05wereHamsterI know mapwow, but isn't the map made out of the minimap textures?
23:16.31clad|awayoh you're talking about screenshots of the real world?
23:16.32clad|awaygood luck
23:16.39Mr_Rabies2problem with using the flying mount/screenshot method is stuff overlapping, etc
23:16.48clad|awayno, the problem is the time
23:16.50Mr_Rabies2like, thorns, trees, etc
23:16.59clad|awayyou can write software to handle the joining of images
23:17.10Mr_Rabies2i mean like stuff obscuring the ground
23:17.14clad|awayaye
23:17.25wereHamsterof course it would require eitehr much time or many people.. eitehr way, I think it would be quite cool :)
23:17.27Mr_Rabies2even using wowmapview
23:17.37Mr_Rabies2and hiding trees and stuff
23:17.55clad|awayit woudl be.. but i dont think you gain anything, considering hte amount of time you have to put into it
23:18.13clad|awayif the minimap isn't sufficient, the terrain view patched together won't be much more help.
23:18.33clad|awayi wish we had Sonic here.
23:18.35clad|awayi'm hungry
23:18.54wereHamsteroh.. wowmapview, does it render everything (incl. fauna)?
23:19.16foxlitamount of memory to get any sort of real maps into wow would be obscene
23:19.49foxlitUnless textures are special, somehow
23:20.39Mr_Rabies2i hear there's some TOS breaking third party minimap program floating around out there that uses screenshots or something
23:21.33Teomyrthere's one that sniffs wow memory to show a map with things you shouldn't see
23:21.41Mr_Rabies2yeah that's it
23:21.58sancusThere's a french map that uses the minimap textures
23:22.03sancusmap program
23:22.09sancusI always forget the name of it but it's pretty sweet
23:22.17sancussince it has user-submitted waypoints for everything in the game on it
23:22.24Teomyrwow cartographe. that's legal since it doesn't interact with the running game
23:22.31sancusyeah that
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23:27.11Mr_Rabies2here's a screen of the TOS breaking program, plus glider, haha, this guy isn't too smart, posting unedited screens of his setup, including chat :O
23:27.15Mr_Rabies2http://waffles.wwwp.de/files/59/599e5a9207cc15ea4385019eebfa06d01edf746b.jpg
23:27.41Mr_Rabies2i guess it uses the minimap files
23:28.28Teomyrseems so
23:28.57Mr_Rabies2checking that guy's site, like every other screen is him getting ganked or otherwise killed
23:29.03clad|awaylol
23:29.08clad|awayi love watching glider run
23:30.13Mr_Rabies2yeah i think that was the only part i enjoyed when i used it, watching how smart it -could- be if you set it up right, but i'm not risking an account for a little bit of enjoyment from that :p
23:36.00Teomyri'd love to see a (m)morpg where it's all about writing the best bot, not playing yourself (and where that is intended by design) :P
23:36.38Mr_Rabies2it's called diablo
23:36.53Teomyrrofl
23:42.56foxlitIneed, mmo botwars would be awesome
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