| 00:06.05 | hugo | lo |
| 00:08.07 | Cairenn | high |
| 00:09.39 | clad|dinner | somewhereinbetween? |
| 00:10.40 | Kirov | infinite |
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| 00:31.41 | Esamynn | god damn gold selling tards, they are getting way out of hand :( |
| 00:33.04 | Kirov | HAPPYWOWPLAYERS.COM @@@ WE SELL THE BEST GOLD FOR LOW MONEY!!! $400 FOR 10g!!! |
| 00:34.04 | Esamynn | Kirov: woot, where do I sign up?!?!?! |
| 00:34.51 | Kirov | Player "Kirov" could not be found. |
| 00:36.37 | Esamynn | I grabbed an AddOn to automate reporiting them, but somehow it managed to block showing of the Spellbook during combat, I haven't had time to look into how that is happening though |
| 00:37.55 | zenzelezz | I don't think I can open my spellbook during combat, thought that was base UI somehow... maybe it's an addon after all |
| 00:38.18 | Esamynn | it's an addon |
| 00:38.39 | Esamynn | something is tainting something in the blizz code that shows panels like that |
| 00:38.46 | zenzelezz | hrm, odd... |
| 00:38.56 | Esamynn | I think the panel changes in 2.1 will make it a lot more robust though |
| 00:38.56 | zenzelezz | wonder which one it is, I don't use that many |
| 00:41.53 | Bleeter | two things that suprise me about Blizz still. (1) that they don't block 'high'-ascii (or whatever you'd prefer to call it) @ char creation time consistent with their guidelines (2) mails containing the strings 'sell' 'gold' 'www.' and '$' don't automagically disappear |
| 00:42.37 | zenzelezz | all of those could be genuine mails |
| 00:42.38 | JoshBorke | but sell, gold, www. and $ are all possible to show up in a legitimate mail |
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| 00:43.25 | Bleeter | name me one instance where sending those strings ingame is preferable to a guild portal/external messaging system? |
| 00:43.30 | Bleeter | *genuine |
| 00:43.37 | zenzelezz | someone is offline |
| 00:43.41 | clad|dinner | Can anyone think of a good reason not to set an OnUpdate on GameTooltip? |
| 00:43.50 | zenzelezz | don't count on all guilds having a website |
| 00:44.10 | Bleeter | meh, if it's good enough for MSN to block strings ... :P |
| 00:44.18 | foxlit | clad: what for? |
| 00:44.29 | zenzelezz | who said MSN was a good example? =D |
| 00:44.29 | clad|dinner | ah boo |
| 00:44.33 | clad|dinner | i'll just make my own tooltip |
| 00:44.33 | clad|dinner | heh |
| 00:46.03 | Esamynn | Bleeter: i'm of the opinion that a limited form of mail throttling would be a better solution |
| 00:50.09 | Bleeter | Esamynn: yar, well not actually knowing how the spammer bots work, it's a bit hard for me to make any serious suggestions. throttling is good, as would be putting in spam filters and having a full time mail-administrator (as opposed to general GMs) |
| 00:50.47 | Shirik | I just think we need to stop their ability from doing it to level 1 characters |
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| 00:51.05 | Shirik | i.e., allow a UI option to block any whispers from any characters < lv 5 or so |
| 00:51.16 | Shirik | but this has to be a blizzard option, they're the only ones that can reliably make such a feature |
| 00:51.23 | Esamynn | aye |
| 00:51.35 | Bleeter | oh, Esamynn, you got a tell spam? yar, bit tricker those cases |
| 00:51.44 | foxlit | Hardly a UI option, since UI has no idea what level who is |
| 00:51.51 | Shirik | I really mean just a UI checkbox |
| 00:51.52 | Esamynn | in this case, yes, it was a spam tell |
| 00:51.55 | Shirik | it wouldn't be the UI that handles it |
| 00:51.58 | Bleeter | i was thinking more the mail spam given that they're 'in the system' for an hour before delivery |
| 00:52.02 | Esamynn | but the mail spam is annoying too |
| 00:52.08 | Shirik | it would have to be handled server-side, really |
| 00:52.47 | Esamynn | I think that if they throttled the number of different characters you can send mail to (who ARE NOT in your guild), that would be a very effective solution |
| 00:52.47 | Bleeter | keep an eye out for a lvl 1 sending tells to lots of people and getting the response of 'fuck off' disables the lvl 1 account? ;) |
| 00:52.58 | Esamynn | lol |
| 00:52.58 | Shirik | hehe |
| 00:53.38 | foxlit | human-side ignore is probably easiest |
| 00:55.13 | Esamynn | what I'm wondering is why the spam is so much more prominent in the last few months |
| 00:55.30 | Bleeter | I'll give you 8 million reasons |
| 00:55.52 | Bleeter | even at a 0.01% hit rate, that's a lot of cash |
| 00:55.55 | Esamynn | I'd like to see that :P |
| 00:56.15 | Esamynn | Bleeter: yes, but, the spam rate was MUCH lower for 2 years |
| 00:56.39 | Bleeter | a lot more players now, is what I'm suggesting. much higher profile, etc. |
| 00:56.39 | Esamynn | it has jumped drastically in just the last 3 months |
| 00:59.19 | foxlit | More gold selling services? |
| 00:59.33 | foxlit | Decentralization from ebay fallout? |
| 00:59.42 | Shirik | ^^ that will have something to do with it |
| 01:00.07 | foxlit | stupid clefthoof leather requirements for high-end leatherworking? |
| 01:00.19 | Esamynn | ebay fallout? |
| 01:00.33 | foxlit | ebay no longer lists virtual currency etc |
| 01:00.46 | foxlit | So you can't go "wts 50g" on ebay |
| 01:00.59 | Esamynn | I didn't know that |
| 01:01.35 | Kirov | Did you guys see the thing about how people's wow passwords were being stolen? |
| 01:01.56 | Bleeter | which one? |
| 01:02.06 | Kirov | window's cursor |
| 01:02.20 | Bleeter | heh, nah but the thought had occurred to me |
| 01:02.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | apprently it's been patched out from windows by now kirov |
| 01:02.51 | foxlit | ANI bug? Yeah |
| 01:02.54 | Kirov | Mr_Rabies2 - yes, but fairly recently. |
| 01:02.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah |
| 01:03.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | like earlier this week i think |
| 01:03.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | wednesday or so |
| 01:03.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | i wonder if it effects those that use firefox |
| 01:03.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | i dunno |
| 01:10.28 | foxlit | Probably. |
| 01:10.38 | foxlit | Doubt FF magically bypasses GDI |
| 02:04.27 | clad|dinner | so apparently i'm a ginormous asshole when you group with me |
| 02:04.31 | clad|dinner | so says sioraiocht |
| 02:04.40 | clad|dinner | but.. this level 59 "balance" druid |
| 02:04.42 | clad|dinner | doesn't have innervate. |
| 02:04.43 | clad|dinner | ... |
| 02:05.52 | cladhaire | and went four fights in caster form cause he "forgot" about moonkin aura. |
| 02:05.56 | cladhaire | err form. |
| 02:06.57 | Esamynn|Busy | cladhaire: ............................. |
| 02:07.00 | Esamynn|Busy | i'm speechless |
| 02:07.42 | cladhaire | and i'm making this idiot know how stupid he is |
| 02:07.52 | cladhaire | and sioraiocht is right, I'm kind of dick when people don't know how to play their class. |
| 02:08.39 | cladhaire | but that comes with the territory of having a druid, priest, rogue, hunter and warlock =) |
| 02:10.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | gone are the days when druids are the best players i suppose :[ |
| 02:12.15 | cladhaire | there have always been bad ones |
| 02:12.17 | cladhaire | but that's just silly |
| 02:13.46 | JoshBorke | that is silly |
| 02:13.50 | JoshBorke | though i do regret buying mass dispel |
| 02:14.31 | cladhaire | lol |
| 02:14.52 | JoshBorke | it's only been used when i was MC'd :-/ |
| 02:21.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | i accidentally bought the max rank of claw one day |
| 02:21.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | i was training real quick on the way to an instance and spammed Train too many times |
| 02:21.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh well, the 6g or whatever it was is more or less worthless |
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| 02:23.07 | Shirik | has anyone else had trouble connecting to the login server lately? (past several days) |
| 02:23.12 | cladhaire | yeah |
| 02:23.15 | cladhaire | it'll timeout or somethign |
| 02:23.20 | cladhaire | then i'll be able to connect next try |
| 02:23.22 | Shirik | yeah :/ |
| 02:23.27 | Shirik | ok so it's not just me at least |
| 02:23.29 | cladhaire | i had my "session expire" when changing realms today |
| 02:23.35 | Shirik | wierd |
| 02:26.19 | sioraiocht | cladhaire is SUCH an asshole in groups |
| 02:26.53 | JoshBorke | clad is just an asshole period ;-) |
| 02:28.19 | cladhaire | fair enough |
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| 02:28.25 | cladhaire | that doesn't mean I'm wrong =) |
| 02:28.53 | JoshBorke | nope, i side with you whole-heartedly. loathe as i am |
| 02:29.01 | JoshBorke | to do so |
| 02:30.05 | cladhaire | heh |
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| 02:30.18 | cladhaire | WB PProvost |
| 02:30.19 | Shirik | o.o |
| 02:30.25 | Shirik | what happened? |
| 02:30.29 | Shirik | cladhaire = ninja? |
| 02:30.51 | cladhaire | i'm a ninja? |
| 02:31.35 | Shirik | 22:26:39 ‹sioraiocht› cladhaire is SUCH an asshole in groups |
| 02:31.44 | Shirik | I wish I were a ninja :( |
| 02:31.47 | cladhaire | lol |
| 02:31.50 | cladhaire | nub |
| 02:32.00 | cladhaire | JoshBorke: is Binding heal any fun? |
| 02:32.10 | JoshBorke | no |
| 02:32.15 | JoshBorke | i thought it would be |
| 02:32.26 | JoshBorke | but it's only good when you need a heal too like right now |
| 02:33.05 | cladhaire | aye |
| 02:33.10 | cladhaire | i dont like those mid levels where i only get one skill |
| 02:33.12 | cladhaire | except SW:D |
| 02:33.16 | cladhaire | that was a fun level |
| 02:34.43 | JoshBorke | yea :-D SW:D is fun |
| 02:34.53 | JoshBorke | i hadn't ever killed myself with it until someone brought it up in here |
| 02:35.12 | JoshBorke | which was like yesterday |
| 02:35.27 | cladhaire | lol |
| 02:35.33 | JoshBorke | and now i've died to it twice |
| 02:35.36 | cladhaire | ive never even come close |
| 02:35.40 | cladhaire | but i use it rather limited. |
| 02:35.52 | JoshBorke | i've been using it whenever it was up (but all i do is 5 mans now) |
| 02:36.04 | cladhaire | i dont know where to put it.. withotu VT |
| 02:36.07 | cladhaire | my rotation is all off |
| 02:36.55 | JoshBorke | i used a spreadsheet i found to help me learn how to create a rotation |
| 02:37.10 | cladhaire | oooh |
| 02:37.18 | cladhaire | (in tekkub speak) Gief! |
| 02:37.23 | JoshBorke | mine! |
| 02:37.25 | JoshBorke | sec |
| 02:37.47 | JoshBorke | http://elitistjerks.com/showthread.php?t=10122 |
| 02:37.49 | JoshBorke | works pretty well |
| 02:38.05 | PProvost | Hey clad, what's up? |
| 02:38.31 | cladhaire | nada |
| 02:39.41 | cladhaire | JoshBorke: bah... i hate havign to fill everything out |
| 02:39.42 | cladhaire | lol |
| 02:40.02 | JoshBorke | you want it to magically know everything about your char? :-P |
| 02:40.11 | cladhaire | no |
| 02:40.15 | cladhaire | an addon should be able to tell me. |
| 02:40.32 | JoshBorke | sounds like a great plan clad, let me know when you finish it |
| 02:40.40 | cladhaire | k k |
| 02:40.49 | cladhaire | it'll come out after WatchDog 2.0 |
| 02:40.54 | JoshBorke | awesome |
| 02:40.59 | JoshBorke | it's that before or after perfect raid? |
| 02:41.05 | cladhaire | what about praid? =) |
| 02:42.41 | JoshBorke | after praid becomes final :-P |
| 02:43.11 | hugo | hey cladhaire ;o |
| 02:43.16 | cladhaire | hi |
| 02:43.54 | hugo | i seen some screenshot i think it was praid they were sorted by class same like in praid but the names was actually inside the HP frame not to left or right and there same some more eye candy transparent texture |
| 02:44.07 | cladhaire | hugo: do you have a link? |
| 02:44.08 | hugo | i tried praid and it looks diff then on the screenshot ;p |
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| 02:44.26 | cladhaire | only two people that I know of have modified any version of praid |
| 02:44.28 | cladhaire | one was pre 2.0 |
| 02:44.29 | cladhaire | one was post |
| 02:44.29 | hugo | i was pasin the url here like 3days aso :D ;s |
| 02:44.31 | cladhaire | and i have that code |
| 02:44.38 | cladhaire | hugo: well find it in the logs, y0 |
| 02:44.42 | cladhaire | and i can tell you right away :P |
| 02:44.51 | hugo | :D |
| 02:45.14 | hugo | i know it was from shaman ui post on eu or us forums lol |
| 02:45.18 | hugo | i try find it ;d |
| 02:45.22 | cladhaire | please do |
| 02:45.28 | hugo | it looked good |
| 02:45.30 | cladhaire | i don't like modified versions being released |
| 02:45.57 | cladhaire | and i've been _asking_ for visual help for some time now. |
| 02:46.25 | hugo | yeah it needs some more eye candy ;o |
| 02:46.39 | hugo | and the name inside the hp bar |
| 02:47.15 | hugo | i like it, personally grid is better for healer, but i was healing 2yr and now im dual shaman melee, and i like more simple raid frames ;d |
| 02:47.28 | JoshBorke | i prefer praid over anything else |
| 02:47.29 | cladhaire | "better" is very subjective. |
| 02:47.33 | cladhaire | i woudln't say grid is "better" for healers. |
| 02:47.55 | hugo | ok for me as healer it was better |
| 02:48.08 | hugo | and for meleer i prefer somethin lesser |
| 02:48.10 | hugo | like praid |
| 02:48.12 | hugo | ;] |
| 02:48.23 | hugo | lesser info on screen |
| 02:48.25 | hugo | you see |
| 02:48.35 | JoshBorke | <-- healer |
| 02:48.53 | cladhaire | hehe that seems counter intuitive to me.. praid shows the same info in more space |
| 02:48.53 | cladhaire | O.o |
| 02:48.54 | cladhaire | *shrug* |
| 02:49.12 | cladhaire | i'd love a screnshot tho |
| 02:49.19 | hugo | im checkin history |
| 02:49.22 | cladhaire | k |
| 02:49.26 | hugo | yeah i would like same praid as on the sshot ;d |
| 02:49.30 | cladhaire | must have been when i was offline |
| 02:49.34 | cladhaire | cause i would have been pinger otherwise |
| 02:49.46 | cladhaire | pinged |
| 02:50.15 | hugo | i found the 'day' |
| 02:50.18 | hugo | now the pic ;d |
| 02:53.35 | cladhaire | yay |
| 02:54.26 | hugo | cant find it ;s |
| 02:54.42 | cladhaire | =/ |
| 02:54.48 | cladhaire | check your browser history |
| 02:54.49 | cladhaire | heh |
| 02:55.30 | hugo | got it :P |
| 02:55.31 | hugo | http://www.imagedump.com/index.cgi?pick=get&tp=487203 |
| 02:55.33 | hugo | top left |
| 02:55.37 | hugo | on right is also gridf |
| 02:55.47 | cladhaire | what makes you think that's perfectrad? |
| 02:56.03 | hugo | i pasted it here 3 days ago and asked |
| 02:56.07 | hugo | someome said its praid ;o |
| 02:56.20 | cladhaire | i'd have to disagree, as the author |
| 02:56.21 | cladhaire | lol |
| 02:56.29 | hugo | well *shrug* |
| 02:56.31 | cladhaire | a.) I don't have -1100, I show -1.1k |
| 02:56.37 | hugo | :) |
| 02:56.43 | cladhaire | b.) I dont have leader icons like that fully implemented. |
| 02:56.56 | hugo | but makin praid look like this would be good |
| 02:56.59 | JoshBorke | at the top? that's not praid |
| 02:57.04 | cladhaire | you don't need praid for that |
| 02:57.04 | hugo | but show 1.1k instead 1100 is good |
| 02:57.06 | cladhaire | use pitbull |
| 02:57.08 | cladhaire | or aguf. |
| 02:57.15 | hugo | no |
| 02:57.21 | hugo | i want small bars sorted by class |
| 02:57.27 | hugo | and show the events and so |
| 02:57.30 | hugo | like poison |
| 02:57.44 | hugo | :D |
| 02:57.49 | cladhaire | well |
| 02:57.51 | cladhaire | don't hold your breath |
| 02:58.05 | hugo | its some common candybard isn't it ? many addons use it |
| 02:58.10 | hugo | candybar* |
| 02:58.18 | cladhaire | i have no idea |
| 02:58.20 | cladhaire | its not mine. |
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| 02:58.44 | hugo | its like in pitbull, aguf, necb, and all other bars addons |
| 02:58.51 | hugo | where you choose the style's |
| 02:58.55 | cladhaire | well |
| 02:58.58 | cladhaire | i don't use it |
| 02:58.59 | cladhaire | so no |
| 02:59.00 | cladhaire | =) |
| 02:59.02 | hugo | ;> |
| 02:59.04 | cladhaire | and thats just texturing. |
| 02:59.10 | hugo | yeah |
| 02:59.14 | hugo | that's what i mean :D |
| 02:59.14 | cladhaire | perfectraid isn't an ace addon |
| 02:59.35 | hugo | but with this texture and it would look good |
| 02:59.39 | cladhaire | yeah |
| 02:59.40 | cladhaire | not so much |
| 02:59.40 | cladhaire | sorry |
| 02:59.49 | hugo | ok |
| 02:59.57 | hugo | was just givin tip as player :) |
| 03:00.08 | cladhaire | k |
| 03:00.17 | cladhaire | you can make that with aguf. |
| 03:00.20 | cladhaire | and a custom layout. |
| 03:00.32 | hugo | so you think it's aguf |
| 03:00.42 | hugo | but it wont show the events and stuff on bars like praid |
| 03:00.42 | cladhaire | i have no idea what it is |
| 03:00.47 | cladhaire | but you're not goign to find it to download |
| 03:01.42 | Gngsk | I like the looks of the battlemap |
| 03:01.43 | hugo | ok well |
| 03:01.45 | Gngsk | wonder what that is |
| 03:01.59 | hugo | that was fun mess :D sory i tought its praid |
| 03:02.21 | hugo | battlemap ? |
| 03:02.26 | hugo | you mean the square minimap |
| 03:02.28 | Gngsk | no |
| 03:02.30 | Gngsk | beneath grid |
| 03:02.37 | hugo | oh |
| 03:02.43 | hugo | its just map |
| 03:02.47 | hugo | set to transparent |
| 03:02.49 | hugo | and scaler |
| 03:02.54 | hugo | cartographer mostly |
| 03:03.04 | Gngsk | no |
| 03:03.12 | Gngsk | it uses the minimap texture |
| 03:03.21 | Gngsk | carto uses a different texture for it's bg maps |
| 03:03.49 | hugo | hmm |
| 03:03.58 | hugo | whatever, it just takes space on screen |
| 03:04.03 | hugo | i like clean screen :d |
| 03:04.12 | Gngsk | it's useful in bg though |
| 03:04.17 | hugo | but i dont bg :p |
| 03:04.24 | Gngsk | then you have no use for it |
| 03:04.34 | hugo | indeed ;) |
| 03:04.45 | hugo | i dont get the peeps half screen with addons |
| 03:04.51 | hugo | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:04.58 | hugo | just unitframes and thats it |
| 03:05.25 | hugo | 40% of scree with a black bacground, gg ;p |
| 03:05.33 | Industrial | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=GZxic0VMsVuoZE0xxV or http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=GE0zycMVV0xZE00x0xo |
| 03:05.39 | Industrial | (i am now level 10 lol) |
| 03:05.43 | Industrial | but i save these for every class and its good to learn how builds work anyway |
| 03:05.46 | Industrial | the second seems really strong |
| 03:06.06 | hugo | go dualwield ;p |
| 03:06.29 | hugo | second is pvp build |
| 03:06.55 | hugo | wait |
| 03:07.02 | hugo | you dont have elemental fury ? |
| 03:07.08 | hugo | and you want play ele shaman ? |
| 03:07.08 | hugo | ok |
| 03:07.09 | hugo | :D |
| 03:07.32 | hugo | that's good joke |
| 03:08.10 | Industrial | im not proposing anything :P |
| 03:09.17 | hugo | its the critical talent, elemental fury |
| 03:09.30 | hugo | i show you dw build :P |
| 03:09.59 | hugo | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=uxcZxV0dEgsAuqo |
| 03:10.24 | hugo | this is raid pve dmg |
| 03:10.56 | hugo | you put nothing in resto |
| 03:11.00 | hugo | you have +0healing |
| 03:11.10 | hugo | it has no effect :) |
| 03:11.14 | Industrial | .. i am level 10 this will be for leveling |
| 03:11.19 | hugo | yeah |
| 03:11.25 | hugo | for leveling go this build |
| 03:11.47 | kergoth | i like http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=GZxV0bE0sAuqoxbez or some variant personally |
| 03:12.35 | hugo | u dont have improved windfury even |
| 03:12.39 | hugo | useless in raid |
| 03:12.47 | hugo | sorry nothing personally, commenting on build :Op |
| 03:13.45 | kergoth | and you're saying nature's guidance and totemic mastery are useless in a raid? my ass. |
| 03:13.50 | kergoth | and i said 'some variant' for a reason |
| 03:13.56 | hugo | 10%armor 10%less magic dmg, and 10%less cost of shocks, vs your +3%hit, +you dont have imp wf |
| 03:14.06 | hugo | i got 170hit and i miss rarely |
| 03:14.10 | kergoth | toughness is an incredibly weak talent. |
| 03:14.22 | hugo | no it helps alot |
| 03:14.29 | hugo | like on netherspite where i tank |
| 03:14.31 | hugo | put shield on |
| 03:14.36 | hugo | 12k armor |
| 03:14.38 | kergoth | for the point investment? its not worth 5 points |
| 03:14.43 | kergoth | the return is weak at best |
| 03:15.12 | hugo | its really better to put 5 in armor then in HW |
| 03:15.18 | hugo | you got +0heal |
| 03:15.34 | hugo | you only heal selft if its crittical and you now healers cant heal you |
| 03:15.45 | hugo | otherwise the mana spend for heals too much waste of dps ;o |
| 03:16.09 | hugo | that's whats 16% less shock cost is for, to ss es and the rage with trinket to refill mana |
| 03:16.37 | hugo | that makes you a dps shaman then, with really good top dps |
| 03:16.40 | hugo | :D |
| 03:16.54 | kergoth | indy was asking about leveling, not raids. |
| 03:17.01 | Industrial | I have this now: Don't I keep Lightning Shield up while soloing all the time (and not using shocks)? Also the 54% to ignore eing hit while casting healing spells might save my ass more times then 5% dodge http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=GZxic0VMsVuoZE0xxV |
| 03:17.04 | kergoth | personally, i answer questions that are asked, but suit yourself |
| 03:17.21 | hugo | ok then, for leveling just get the critical melee talents rest is irelent u can pick whatever |
| 03:17.37 | hugo | but if you want do meelee dmg and be in top5 use mine |
| 03:17.52 | hugo | i afree kergoth |
| 03:17.55 | hugo | agree |
| 03:17.56 | hugo | ;] |
| 03:18.11 | Industrial | I dont raid, basically :P |
| 03:18.23 | hugo | i keep water shield up all time |
| 03:18.42 | hugo | as melee shaman with 0+heal and dmg, shield is waste of mana for me, i keep mana for ss it cost 210 |
| 03:19.09 | hugo | you can be melee shaman with a mix of melee and heal equip |
| 03:19.17 | hugo | to do both dmg and heal while soloing |
| 03:19.39 | hugo | but if i can say from xperience soon you be givin heal eq down to get more dps and chanfe it for AP |
| 03:19.56 | hugo | then you kill mob in 5sec without need to heal |
| 03:20.13 | hugo | but best is to experiment and decide yourselft i would say ;o |
| 03:21.02 | hugo | and if you dont raid you can giveup the imp wf totem and just keep the agi/str |
| 03:21.05 | kergoth | i used ot use lightning shield all the time when leveling, but after getting water shield and that water shield relic in the mid 60s, never use lightning shield anymore |
| 03:22.01 | hugo | but again as from expereince with pure melee eq, i don't use totems cause i kill the singlemob in 4sec and it's waste of mana, without totems i can kill 1v1 nonstop full hp/mana just 1x LHW after fight, and after 10kills a run shamanistic rage to refill mana to full from like 60% |
| 03:23.05 | kergoth | seems like totems arent worth the mana investment for one mob, but if theres enough nearby that you can take 3 or 4 in the totem's lifetime, its worthwhile. my shaman is only 66 though, hugo would probably know better :) |
| 03:23.19 | hugo | exactly |
| 03:23.23 | hugo | only worth on multiple |
| 03:23.30 | hugo | or in dungeon ;] |
| 03:23.36 | hugo | never on 1 |
| 03:24.09 | hugo | -if you equiped, if you don't have good equip and he take you like half hp before you kill him = use totems |
| 03:24.17 | hugo | :-) |
| 03:24.30 | hugo | well im 70 i play like 3mo? |
| 03:24.40 | hugo | since BC, i was healer until then ;o never meleed |
| 03:25.04 | hugo | but i was full KZ many times, gruul, magtheridon , and serpenthise carven / tempest keep |
| 03:25.10 | hugo | so very endgamen dungeons |
| 03:25.28 | hugo | and learned out all i need is atackpower and atackpower and hit and crit |
| 03:25.59 | kergoth | i wish the quest reward mail wouldnt have AP, int, and mp5 |
| 03:26.00 | kergoth | wtf |
| 03:26.07 | hugo | i must time shaman rage really good, to keep up with mana |
| 03:26.09 | kergoth | :| |
| 03:26.13 | hugo | with blood fury, trinket on etc |
| 03:26.18 | hugo | and ss shock like hell |
| 03:26.25 | hugo | to keep up in top5 |
| 03:26.26 | hugo | :D |
| 03:26.33 | hugo | elixirs, food |
| 03:26.41 | hugo | yeah |
| 03:26.46 | hugo | tier4 is crap for dw shamans |
| 03:26.54 | hugo | there already whine forum on us forums |
| 03:27.23 | kergoth | whats your opinion on the arena enh set? was thinking about doing some pvp when i hit 70 |
| 03:27.41 | hugo | it's cause windfury is bugged now and everyone use the bug, me too, so everyone just use pure melee power, but if blizzard fix it melee shamans loose like 30% dps and i don't know what happens then |
| 03:27.53 | hugo | weapons |
| 03:28.04 | hugo | the weapons are excellent for dw shaman |
| 03:28.08 | kergoth | they're fixing it so you cant avoid the cooldown via two ranks of wf in the next patch arent they? |
| 03:28.09 | hugo | from arena |
| 03:28.28 | kergoth | hmmm |
| 03:28.30 | hugo | i don't know when they fix it, but if they fix it dw shaman become horrible class |
| 03:28.37 | hugo | every haste efect will nerf your dps |
| 03:28.42 | hugo | fast weapons too |
| 03:28.48 | hugo | flurry maybe too |
| 03:28.59 | hugo | i seen the big post of 'teh mathematics' on us forums |
| 03:29.12 | hugo | looks like shaman will be messed up again ;s (melee atleast) |
| 03:29.27 | hugo | and it will mean to use wf only on mainhand |
| 03:29.28 | kergoth | the faster the weapon, the more wasted hits (no chance of wf proc), right? i've been hunting on wowhead for some good slow one handers |
| 03:29.41 | hugo | right |
| 03:30.06 | hugo | he was calculating that with some weapon like 2.9 will be best to put only 4/5 in flurry and so :D |
| 03:30.10 | hugo | i thnk all this is crazy |
| 03:30.17 | hugo | blizzard must do - something- |
| 03:30.18 | kergoth | jeeze, thats crap |
| 03:30.56 | hugo | now we are 'bugged' but actually working ok, damage = rogue,mage etc. all that dwshaman in raid can do is dmg, and boot his group with dmg, as do most classses with buffs, nothing else |
| 03:31.15 | hugo | so imo, if they mess it up, welcome to prebc, aka , all shamans in raid resto, or maybe ele now ? who knows ;d |
| 03:31.43 | Industrial | pvp \o/ |
| 03:31.46 | hugo | lol yeah |
| 03:31.51 | kergoth | i'll give up on raiding entirely and just pvp if it gets to that point, i'm -not- going resto again. i stopped playing my shaman main due to getting stuck in that role back then |
| 03:31.56 | kergoth | Industrial: :) |
| 03:31.58 | hugo | well 3yr ago or so when pickin shaman |
| 03:32.10 | hugo | i tought he can be a mage or healer or melee |
| 03:32.14 | Industrial | burst damage survival and healing :P |
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| 03:32.19 | hugo | but seems blizzard still didnt acomplished it well |
| 03:32.23 | hugo | hybrids never win |
| 03:32.24 | hugo | ;p |
| 03:32.32 | hugo | xcept druids |
| 03:32.51 | hugo | they atleast good at heal or tank, but as feral, their dps suck too ;s |
| 03:33.15 | hugo | yeah |
| 03:33.19 | hugo | i dont go back to resto too |
| 03:33.22 | hugo | :| |
| 03:33.36 | hugo | well atleast i pre-ordered hellgate:londong is somethin mess up ;p |
| 03:33.39 | Industrial | well dps classes like warriors in pvp win on occasion |
| 03:33.55 | Industrial | eg they are already nearby so they chomp the shit out of a mage in 1 second |
| 03:34.01 | Industrial | gj 1 kill |
| 03:34.04 | hugo | dw shaman is now with the wf bug very big spike dmg |
| 03:34.10 | hugo | but he die fast like if paper burn |
| 03:34.17 | hugo | so not good 1v1 |
| 03:34.21 | Industrial | yeah but hybrids have better chances to survive |
| 03:34.24 | hugo | but i 'can' instakill mages |
| 03:34.50 | hugo | i turn my macro on, -blood furry, trinket- go to him, hit stormstrik and he dies, or after shock |
| 03:34.55 | Industrial | so if you are with 2 or 3 you are great cause you can fling heals fast in narrow situations etc |
| 03:35.20 | hugo | yeah but im in HC pve guild |
| 03:35.23 | hugo | im not into pvp |
| 03:35.36 | hugo | so all that matter for me is dps, i dont want heal ;s |
| 03:35.39 | Industrial | pvp is fun if its more about tactics then 1man kills :D |
| 03:35.49 | hugo | i play wow now only for raids |
| 03:35.51 | hugo | i been play 3yrs |
| 03:35.56 | hugo | pvp is now over for me |
| 03:36.02 | kergoth | i've never really been much into pvp, mostly due to getting frustrated with _our own side_ in battlegrounds. idiots annoy me |
| 03:36.03 | hugo | :O |
| 03:36.08 | kergoth | hoping arena will be more tolerable since i know everyone on my side |
| 03:36.09 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:36.22 | hugo | arena can be both |
| 03:36.23 | hugo | fun or hell |
| 03:36.25 | hugo | :P |
| 03:36.40 | hugo | avoid druids and warlocks |
| 03:36.42 | hugo | :P |
| 03:36.47 | Industrial | get some people you can trust to make decisions |
| 03:37.06 | hugo | ok you pick endgame gear paladin - teh imba healer in pvp |
| 03:37.11 | hugo | you enter the arena |
| 03:37.15 | hugo | you see a druid! |
| 03:37.26 | hugo | you see paladin in 'cyclone' unidspelable spell |
| 03:37.34 | hugo | he fly in air... /hello fellow paladin |
| 03:37.40 | hugo | you geting nuked |
| 03:37.43 | hugo | paladin in air ;p |
| 03:37.50 | hugo | bye fellow paladin ;s |
| 03:38.27 | hugo | you can do nothing against cyclone ;] |
| 03:38.42 | hugo | in 3v3 it's nightmare |
| 03:39.48 | hugo | and Industrial as for elemental, 41/0/20 in raid, 40/0/21 in pvp |
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| 03:40.25 | hugo | i hope they boost elemental damage atleast |
| 03:40.51 | hugo | anything, that don't make me go heal i take ;D |
| 03:42.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | elemental is fine in the dps numbers, enhancement needs some help though |
| 03:42.38 | hugo | but if you want to know, resto shamans now are very strong healers, shield is strong think (both the shield in hands and the earth shield :D) my class leader has like +1750to heal and if mob attack him he survive no problem and keep heal us, not like priest, he die ;p |
| 03:42.58 | hugo | now that was good joke Mr_Rabies ;p |
| 03:43.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm serious |
| 03:43.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | elemental is insane with decent +dmg |
| 03:43.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | enhancement is pretty crappy and unreliable damage |
| 03:43.28 | hugo | on Gruul kill i wast top4, shadowpriest,warlock,warlock,me, with 730dps |
| 03:43.45 | hugo | ele shaman is always last after all mages and rogues and everyone |
| 03:43.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | how many ele shamans do you have |
| 03:44.04 | hugo | just one |
| 03:44.09 | hugo | well he resto now |
| 03:44.12 | hugo | cause too low dps :D |
| 03:44.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | one guy probably isn't the greatest measure |
| 03:44.23 | Industrial | The idea I get from raiding is "go stand here and there during this fight, invest xxxk g into consumables and dont fuck up or you wont get a chance to get better equipment to make it easier", thats why I think "making it" in pvp with a team of buddies is way more fun :P but im biased and have no experience in raiding (yet) so :> |
| 03:44.29 | hugo | ok you eleshaman in dungeons ? or raids ? |
| 03:44.37 | hugo | what's your dps like on gruul ? |
| 03:45.07 | hugo | top5 there have 700+dps |
| 03:45.08 | kergoth | raiding can be quite challenging on bosses you havent done before, its the challenge thats appealing |
| 03:45.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | no, i'm enhancement, but only because i have crap for elemental gear |
| 03:45.30 | hugo | i just want to know what is mr ravies talking about |
| 03:46.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | and 700 dps really isn't all that much, but i've never done gruul, so i dunno |
| 03:46.05 | hugo | if he say, enchancement have poor dps againt ele, and shadowpriest/lock are best dps in game, and the first top1 dps in raid has 770dps and me on 4th place 730dps |
| 03:46.13 | hugo | so ele shaman would be first, then ? |
| 03:46.42 | hugo | 700dps isnt much ? |
| 03:46.59 | hugo | you know it's damage per second right, and fight for 15min |
| 03:47.06 | hugo | or 20 |
| 03:47.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | not particularly, but i havent fought gruul, i dunno exactly how he rolls |
| 03:47.13 | hugo | 1200seconds |
| 03:47.27 | hugo | well gruul was example |
| 03:47.37 | hugo | im talking about 25raid bosses in general |
| 03:47.42 | hugo | you dont need that high dps in KZ |
| 03:47.56 | hugo | 700+dps is endgame dps |
| 03:48.03 | hugo | on raid bosses |
| 03:48.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | i havent done anything past 5 mans yet |
| 03:48.12 | hugo | ok then |
| 03:48.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | in bc content |
| 03:48.19 | hugo | im just correcting you then |
| 03:48.25 | hugo | if you shoow a mob and crit |
| 03:48.29 | hugo | and it show 1000dps |
| 03:48.40 | hugo | its cause the fight took 8sec |
| 03:48.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | what weapons do you have? |
| 03:48.43 | hugo | not 1200seconds |
| 03:48.59 | hugo | i got the pig bad wolf claw and malchazeen |
| 03:49.11 | hugo | with mongoose |
| 03:49.24 | hugo | dual mongoose = +10%crit |
| 03:49.35 | hugo | very nice new enchant ;] |
| 03:49.45 | hugo | pig=big |
| 03:50.04 | hugo | for number its 83dps mh and 85dps OH |
| 03:50.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | i dunno, my shaman is only 50, so i don't have much to base it on, but i don't like how enhancement's dps is more or less impossible to control |
| 03:50.25 | Industrial | wicked :> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8955074923720644803&q=ele+shaman |
| 03:50.35 | cladhaire | my boyfriend has an extremely irrational hate of Beagles =/ |
| 03:50.37 | cladhaire | it makes me sad |
| 03:50.39 | cladhaire | cause I want one. |
| 03:50.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | i had a beagle once |
| 03:50.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | he died rather quickly though :[ |
| 03:51.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh wells, i have chow chows now, and they're awesome |
| 03:51.18 | hugo | there's not much to control, you use KTM in raid, it show the aggro of tank, and yours, so you control youselft on it, and on raid boss i get always salvation , witch reduces my threat nicely, so then im like rogue :) |
| 03:51.26 | Cairenn | Chow chow!!! |
| 03:51.30 | cladhaire | How can you hate this: http://www.petplanet.co.uk/dog_breed_profile.asp?dbid=26 |
| 03:51.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | well, only one these days, but still |
| 03:51.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | he's awesome |
| 03:51.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | everyone says he reminds them of me |
| 03:51.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | he's like....15 years old or so now |
| 03:51.51 | cladhaire | He wants a setter: http://www.petplanet.co.uk/dog_breed_profile.asp?dbid=59 |
| 03:51.53 | cladhaire | I could deal with that |
| 03:51.54 | hugo | i know ioneye |
| 03:51.55 | hugo | ;] |
| 03:52.04 | cladhaire | but i'd be sad for my beagle that never was =/ |
| 03:52.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | he's a good guard dog |
| 03:52.13 | hugo | in the day he was makin this movie |
| 03:52.23 | hugo | i was same gear as him ;d |
| 03:52.32 | hugo | but it's the movie, elemental master + trinket + kill |
| 03:52.40 | hugo | :D |
| 03:53.00 | hugo | cladhaire i turn on trinkets, instakill mage, and repeat 20x and make movie of dw shaman |
| 03:53.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | what do you typically do for bosses for dps? |
| 03:53.08 | hugo | and it will look even more dangerous :D |
| 03:53.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | stormstrike every cooldown and autoattack otherwise? |
| 03:53.23 | hugo | yeach |
| 03:53.28 | hugo | and earthshock after ss |
| 03:53.44 | hugo | then you turn on trinket+shamanistic rage at 40/50%mana |
| 03:53.47 | hugo | and refill to 100% |
| 03:53.57 | hugo | and in 2min it gets to 50% |
| 03:54.00 | hugo | and you refill again |
| 03:54.14 | hugo | you must know when to turn it on to be sure you stay at the boss for the 30sec :D |
| 03:54.58 | kergoth | i hate trying to use it when farming or grinding, mobs die too fast |
| 03:55.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | i dunno, i just don't like the lack of control i guess |
| 03:55.02 | kergoth | :\ |
| 03:55.03 | hugo | but there were even a situations, like magthridon, whole raid with flasks and elixirs, i was full buffed, with salvation from paladin |
| 03:55.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | i suppose over longer fights it's not a big deal |
| 03:55.18 | hugo | and needed to go autoatack cause too much aggro, for like 1min |
| 03:55.44 | hugo | ok i don't know what do you mean by control |
| 03:55.55 | hugo | you got to boss and hit two buttons, that's what you mean |
| 03:56.24 | hugo | what's what dw shaman do, hit two buttons :P nothing else |
| 03:56.41 | hugo | healer hit 3 |
| 03:56.47 | kergoth | aggro can be ap roblem in ordinary 5 mans if the tank sucks. even without stormstrike, just white damage + wf and i'll pull it half the time |
| 03:56.54 | hugo | ele hit 1 mostly |
| 03:56.56 | hugo | :D |
| 03:57.09 | hugo | yeah |
| 03:57.15 | JoshBorke | night all |
| 03:57.15 | hugo | that's common problem |
| 03:57.38 | kergoth | thank god we're in mail, if the priest is any good pulling aggro isnt a major problem |
| 03:57.39 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:58.21 | kergoth | cladhaire: cute beagle. wonder why he'd hate them :( |
| 03:58.29 | hugo | i can tell you kergoth i was with tank, that never holded aggro well, i was with paladin in the dung with SALVATIOn and i was aggro all time, then i want in with your ST, and my buff from paladin was attack power(!) and i didnt aggro, so really like 100% difference beetwen the warriors, also for 5man dungeons i can recommend a druid, it's good aggro :0 |
| 03:58.48 | hugo | nn JoshBorke |
| 03:59.03 | hugo | thats your dog cladhaire ? |
| 03:59.06 | hugo | i got dogs too |
| 03:59.08 | cladhaire | no |
| 03:59.11 | cladhaire | i want a beagle tho |
| 03:59.11 | hugo | kk |
| 03:59.17 | hugo | want see my dogs |
| 03:59.26 | JoshBorke | thankfully my fiancee loves beagles :-D |
| 03:59.30 | cladhaire | kergoth: ooh =) |
| 03:59.38 | sioraiocht | beagles are LAME |
| 03:59.38 | cladhaire | kergoth: maybe i can get sioraiocht to comprimise on that =) |
| 03:59.59 | hugo | ha |
| 04:00.00 | sioraiocht | I'd want another one of those, or an Irish setter |
| 04:00.04 | hugo | he looks common kergoth ;P sec |
| 04:00.15 | sioraiocht | or an Irish wolfhound |
| 04:00.18 | sioraiocht | but clad won't allow it |
| 04:00.36 | hugo | http://hugo.rytir.com/a/tmp/pics/psy/adam.jpg |
| 04:00.42 | hugo | http://hugo.rytir.com/a/tmp/pics/psy/morcata.jpg |
| 04:00.50 | hugo | http://hugo.rytir.com/a/tmp/pics/psy/morcata2.jpg |
| 04:01.09 | hugo | and last two http://hugo.rytir.com/a/tmp/pics/psy/morce.jpg http://hugo.rytir.com/a/tmp/pics/psy/vlkodlak.jpg |
| 04:01.15 | hugo | that's my two dogs ;o |
| 04:01.20 | sioraiocht | they're cute |
| 04:01.29 | hugo | yep |
| 04:01.30 | sioraiocht | clad wants nothing to do with the irish wolfhounds, though |
| 04:01.30 | kergoth | cute dogs |
| 04:01.34 | sioraiocht | or the airedale |
| 04:01.35 | kergoth | same coloring as mine, just bigger :) |
| 04:01.36 | hugo | yours too |
| 04:01.38 | hugo | yah |
| 04:01.39 | hugo | :) |
| 04:01.48 | hugo | mine are, svycarsky salasnicky |
| 04:01.50 | hugo | in czech language |
| 04:01.54 | hugo | dunno english sorry |
| 04:01.54 | hugo | ;p |
| 04:03.22 | hugo | http://hugo.rytir.com/a/tmp/pics/psy/morce.jpg << this one i show to guild members what i dont with their hands if we dont kill a boss :P |
| 04:03.34 | hugo | do* |
| 04:04.40 | hugo | it;s 6am :-o |
| 04:04.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | that dog is rather large |
| 04:04.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | 14,1Time: (412:04:10 AM EST on Saturday, April 07, 200714) |
| 04:05.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | i really need to get to bed :[ |
| 04:05.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | i gotta get up in 6 hours to continue my meds :/ |
| 04:05.24 | hugo | [06:05] <Mr_Rabies2> i really need to get to bed :[ |
| 04:05.25 | hugo | :P |
| 04:05.37 | hugo | nn then :) |
| 04:05.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | if i get another dog, i think i'll get a corgi |
| 04:05.59 | hugo | i need to find some good forum ranks :( |
| 04:06.09 | hugo | for admin,moderator,webteam,siteowner titles ;s |
| 04:06.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | or maybe two and use them like rollerblades |
| 04:06.27 | hugo | lol |
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| 04:17.43 | Mike-N-Go | What is the best build (talent wise) for a shaman to level? |
| 04:18.09 | Mike-N-Go | Hi |
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| 04:18.36 | Mike-N-Go | Hello. |
| 04:18.42 | Mike-N-Go | What is the best build for a shaman to level (talentwise)>? |
| 04:19.45 | kergoth | i'd recommend enh personally, little downtime |
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| 06:13.16 | Nom- | URL for the updater? :) |
| 06:13.40 | Shirik | umm |
| 06:13.42 | Shirik | give me a sec |
| 06:13.46 | Shirik | I made a big change recently |
| 06:13.55 | Shirik | not uploaded yet |
| 06:14.11 | Shirik | and my ZF group is being morons |
| 06:14.14 | Shirik | so let me finish with them first >< |
| 06:14.23 | Nom- | rofl kk |
| 06:14.23 | Shirik | but if you want the semi-older one, http://code.google.com/p/wowiupdater |
| 06:16.49 | kergoth | how's http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=i0eboELsVzVo0eZEM look for a 70 rogue taht does a little raiding, but more heroics and farming than raiding? |
| 06:18.10 | Cairenn|afk | night all |
| 06:18.10 | Nom- | nite Cairenn |
| 06:18.12 | Nom- | Don't let the Canadian bedbugs bite, eh? |
| 06:19.04 | Shirik | night :) |
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| 06:22.26 | Nom- | Forgot to change the option :( |
| 06:23.03 | Omni1269 | is anyone here a gatherer buff? |
| 06:24.26 | Nom- | Cairenn|afk: Go to bed! |
| 06:24.43 | Nom- | purl: release the hounds! |
| 06:24.53 | Omni1269 | >.> |
| 06:25.14 | Nom- | *sigh* I'll have to educate purl, I guess... |
| 06:26.16 | Cairenn|afk | given that they are the devs, I'd be inclined to think they are "buffs" of it ;) |
| 06:27.31 | Omni1269 | well i meant in the sense of anyone around to talk, not to insult the people who host this forum lol |
| 06:27.45 | Cairenn|afk | no insult taken |
| 06:28.38 | Cairenn|afk | what's your question? someone who is here may be able to help you, regardless. Also, you can always join the #norganna channel, the official channel for them |
| 06:28.56 | Omni1269 | i tried and everyone was asleep i guess lol |
| 06:29.11 | Cairenn|afk | meh, try asking here, someone might be able to help |
| 06:29.23 | Omni1269 | well i have been having a problem with gatherer and was wondering if im causing it or what |
| 06:29.39 | Omni1269 | whenever i mouse over any icon on my mini map they all disappear |
| 06:29.40 | Cairenn|afk | details .... |
| 06:29.59 | Omni1269 | ie an herb a mining point, anything |
| 06:30.16 | Omni1269 | i have gotten a gatherer mini notes lua error |
| 06:30.29 | Omni1269 | i dont remember the error number etc off hand |
| 06:31.19 | Omni1269 | in attempt to fix it i have done the following, delete all addons and start from scratch, play with options in gatherer |
| 06:32.20 | Cairenn|afk | you're sure you have the most recent version of it? |
| 06:32.33 | Omni1269 | yep |
| 06:32.35 | Cairenn|afk | knowing the actual error text would help too |
| 06:32.46 | Omni1269 | i downloaded the newest one from yesterday |
| 06:32.53 | Omni1269 | umm |
| 06:33.05 | Omni1269 | give me a couple min, i can log on and get it |
| 06:33.13 | Omni1269 | it errors upon loading wow |
| 06:33.52 | Omni1269 | is it recommended to delete the folder from old versions or just to overwrite? |
| 06:34.21 | Cairenn|afk | if you are having errors, usually best to remove, to be sure |
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| 06:34.58 | Omni1269 | yea i tried that, nogo |
| 06:35.12 | Omni1269 | give me just a sec and ill get the rest of the info for you |
| 06:35.38 | Cairenn|afk | also usually a good idea to find the saved variables for it and move it out of the wow folder, to make sure you don't have a corrupted file |
| 06:35.46 | Cairenn|afk | don't actually delete it, just move it |
| 06:36.08 | Cairenn|afk | (since deleting it outright means you lose all existing saved data for it) |
| 06:36.08 | Omni1269 | right |
| 06:36.35 | Cairenn|afk | if it still errors anyway, then you can go ahead and dump it back in |
| 06:37.08 | Cairenn|afk | (basic trouble-shooting steps) |
| 06:37.24 | Cairenn|afk | beyond that, they will need the actual error you are getting |
| 06:37.54 | Cairenn|afk | and it's probably going to require one of them to actual help you figure it out, unfortunately |
| 06:38.06 | Cairenn|afk | you've tried loading it up with it being the ONLY addon? |
| 06:44.41 | Omni1269 | no not so far |
| 06:44.46 | Cairenn|afk | try that, too |
| 06:44.48 | Omni1269 | sorry was loading u |
| 06:44.53 | Cairenn|afk | not a problem |
| 06:45.09 | Omni1269 | p the game |
| 06:45.19 | Cairenn|afk | it is possible that it may be a conflict with another addon |
| 06:46.19 | Cairenn|afk | not trying to insult your intelligence at all, just all the basic steps that need to be gone through first, to help narrow it down - you came in with more information than a lot of folks do though, nice work :) |
| 06:47.08 | Shirik | 02:18:05 ‹@Cairenn|afk› night all |
| 06:47.13 | Cairenn|afk | hush |
| 06:47.14 | Shirik | Current time: 02:47:14 |
| 06:47.27 | Cairenn|afk | ;) |
| 06:47.50 | Cairenn|afk | (wondered how long it would take ;) :p ) |
| 06:48.16 | Nom- | Yes, you're strangely helpful for someone who's in bed asleep... |
| 06:48.18 | Shirik | Anyway, yeah that sounds more like a conflict than anything else |
| 06:49.15 | Omni1269 | lol |
| 06:49.20 | Cairenn|afk | bah, you guys know how it goes by now - I "sign off", then check the sites one more time, then check my email once more, then check the channels - about an hour later I finally pass out |
| 06:49.30 | Omni1269 | i appreciate the warm hand to help rather then a lash |
| 06:49.48 | Omni1269 | most places i have ever gone to is nothing but a flame war for not knowing everything |
| 06:49.53 | Shirik | heh |
| 06:49.56 | Shirik | nobody knows everything |
| 06:50.00 | Shirik | only fools think they do |
| 06:50.07 | Omni1269 | well said |
| 06:50.54 | Omni1269 | isnt it close to what was said the first step to enlighenment is knowing that you know nothing lol |
| 06:50.54 | Cairenn|afk | and folks in here are more than willing to help someone out when a) they ask nicely, not "expecting" it like it is their due or something and b) they have obviously been trying to help themselves first |
| 06:51.23 | Omni1269 | yea |
| 06:51.49 | Omni1269 | i love the people who are like "OMG your programs is crap, you need to help me fix it" |
| 06:52.12 | Omni1269 | i made little applets for ffxi when i playes |
| 06:52.14 | Omni1269 | played* |
| 06:52.24 | Omni1269 | i know all to well >.> |
| 06:53.25 | Cairenn|afk | anyway, I do need to go sleep before the boys all start yelling at me - try those other steps I suggested (moving the saved variables file, running it as the only addon), and find the actual error message |
| 06:53.31 | Cairenn|afk | hopefully someone can help |
| 06:53.40 | Omni1269 | yea |
| 06:53.46 | Omni1269 | i appreciate your time |
| 06:53.51 | Omni1269 | have a good night |
| 06:54.06 | Cairenn|afk | otherwise try again in either of the channels at a later time, or post on the appropriate forums |
| 06:54.08 | Shirik | night Cairenn|afk |
| 06:54.14 | Shirik | psh, I'll be here for another 4 hours |
| 06:54.21 | Omni1269 | yea ill do that at not a retarded hour lol |
| 06:54.33 | Cairenn|afk | only "retarded" depending on your time zone |
| 06:54.46 | Cairenn|afk | considering the international status of both channels .... |
| 06:54.52 | Omni1269 | very true |
| 06:54.59 | Shirik | and the nocturnal ones like myself |
| 06:55.04 | Omni1269 | lol |
| 06:55.17 | Cairenn|afk | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:55.20 | Omni1269 | thank you kind lady |
| 06:55.23 | Shirik | Nom- still here? |
| 06:56.24 | Shirik | wc -l `find ./ -name *.java` |
| 06:56.26 | Shirik | whoops |
| 06:57.22 | Nom- | yeah i'm here :) |
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| 06:57.33 | Shirik | I'm about to committ my changes |
| 06:57.36 | Shirik | if you want to see the latest |
| 06:57.39 | Nom- | I'm trying to setup my UI again...I remembered to backup my addons folder, but not my damn WTF folder :) |
| 06:57.47 | Shirik | erk |
| 06:57.48 | Shirik | did it break it? |
| 06:57.52 | Nom- | Yeah, sure...i want to do an update check, coz I haven't done one in a while |
| 06:58.13 | Shirik | oh, well, if you haven't used it before it will forcibly download all of them |
| 06:58.21 | Shirik | any of them it hasn't seen before it will download |
| 07:01.57 | Shirik | I really need to make a build script for this, to make the exes and stuff >.> |
| 07:05.13 | Nom- | heh :) |
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| 07:10.12 | Shirik | ok, uploaded, v0.1.62 |
| 07:10.20 | Shirik | grab the setup exe |
| 07:14.46 | Shirik | and 0.1.62 is now tagged as alpha release 1 :) |
| 07:27.29 | Nom- | Found it :) |
| 07:27.32 | Nom- | *adds to bookmarks* |
| 07:28.48 | Nom- | Now we find out if it works on Vista :) |
| 07:30.00 | Shirik | you need to have JRE 1.5 btw |
| 07:30.08 | Shirik | that's the reason it's not working on Linux atm |
| 07:30.08 | Nom- | Yeah, downloading a JRE now |
| 07:30.12 | Nom- | There sin't one in Windows |
| 07:30.16 | Shirik | I _think_ my EXE should warn you if you don't have one |
| 07:30.22 | Shirik | the actual program that runs, not the installer |
| 07:30.27 | Shirik | try it, see what happens |
| 07:30.36 | Nom- | Yeah it did |
| 07:30.40 | Shirik | good good ^^ |
| 07:30.43 | Nom- | It whinged because I didn't have a JRE installed |
| 07:31.55 | Shirik | did it tell you where to go to get one? |
| 07:31.59 | Nom- | Yeah |
| 07:32.02 | Nom- | I took a screeny :) |
| 07:32.10 | Shirik | I wrote that a month ago I forgot what I wrote >< |
| 07:34.00 | Nom- | http://standen.id.au/pics/java_error.jpg |
| 07:34.06 | Nom- | Quite an informative error, actually :) |
| 07:34.41 | Nom- | It seems to be stuck on "Loading configuration, please wait..." |
| 07:35.59 | Nom- | Doing a File => Update seems to make it lock up too ^_^ |
| 07:36.06 | Shirik | -_- |
| 07:36.17 | Nom- | That's when it's stuck on Loading configuration, |
| 07:36.25 | Shirik | yeah that would happen if it's already stuck |
| 07:36.29 | Shirik | because you're getting into a deadlock |
| 07:36.35 | Shirik | that's... odd |
| 07:36.39 | Shirik | close it and run it again? |
| 07:36.52 | Shirik | I know what this is going to be I think :/ |
| 07:37.11 | Shirik | where are your addons installed in vista? |
| 07:37.40 | Nom- | same place as normal |
| 07:37.45 | Shirik | hm, ok then |
| 07:37.52 | Shirik | look in the folder it's installed in |
| 07:37.55 | Nom- | I intentionally didn't install WOW in the Program Files folder |
| 07:37.58 | Shirik | look for a file error.log |
| 07:38.16 | Shirik | ah, then it should ask you where it is though |
| 07:38.16 | Shirik | it didn't pop up a box asking? |
| 07:38.20 | Nom- | Exception [2007-03-07_15-37-10-754] in thread "main": java.io.IOException ==> The system cannot find the path specified |
| 07:38.28 | Shirik | interesting |
| 07:38.29 | Nom- | Yeah, it did ask me, and I pointed it to the right place |
| 07:38.38 | Nom- | oh wait |
| 07:38.41 | Shirik | you pointed it to WoW.exe right? |
| 07:38.42 | Nom- | I bet I know what it is |
| 07:38.50 | Nom- | *run as administrator* |
| 07:38.56 | Shirik | mm |
| 07:39.04 | Nom- | hmm nope, still locking up |
| 07:39.06 | Shirik | real quick, the line that's after that |
| 07:39.08 | Shirik | what is it? |
| 07:39.12 | Shirik | it should be the beginning of a stack trace |
| 07:39.29 | Nom- | at java.io.WinNTFileSystem.createFileExclusively(null:-2) |
| 07:39.38 | Shirik | er... look for the first one that says "at wowiupdater." |
| 07:39.41 | Shirik | and give me that ^^; |
| 07:39.51 | Nom- | at wowiupdater.BackupManager.<init>(BackupManager.java:75) |
| 07:39.52 | Nom- | at wowiupdater.Main.main(Main.java:198) |
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| 07:40.16 | Shirik | you pointed it to wow.exe? |
| 07:40.20 | Nom- | Indeed |
| 07:40.22 | Shirik | ok |
| 07:40.58 | Shirik | ooooh |
| 07:41.03 | Shirik | that's the new backup manager I added |
| 07:41.14 | Nom- | E:\Games\World of Warcraft |
| 07:41.18 | Nom- | It's saved the right path... |
| 07:41.24 | Shirik | I know what it is |
| 07:41.31 | Shirik | it's because I didn't make the backups folder |
| 07:41.33 | Shirik | programatically |
| 07:41.38 | Nom- | lol |
| 07:41.45 | Nom- | Where do I need to make it? |
| 07:41.51 | Shirik | for me it worked only because I already had it |
| 07:41.59 | Shirik | because when it makes a backup, it makes it, but not when initializing the manager |
| 07:42.03 | Shirik | World of Warcraft\Backups |
| 07:42.28 | Nom- | Yep, there it goes |
| 07:42.35 | Shirik | I'll have to adjust that |
| 07:45.58 | Nom- | Seems to be working aside from that little hiccup |
| 07:46.16 | Nom- | Doesn't need administrator privileges so long as WoW isn't installed in Program Files |
| 07:46.26 | Nom- | But it does whinge that it's not signed every time you load it :( |
| 07:46.32 | Shirik | erk >< |
| 07:46.38 | Shirik | I... wonder how I can fix that |
| 07:46.58 | Shirik | is that a vista thing? |
| 07:47.07 | Shirik | for all applications? or just java? |
| 07:47.19 | Nom- | for all apps |
| 07:47.32 | Nom- | They need to be signed, I don't think you can fix it without buying a key to sign it with |
| 07:48.02 | Shirik | yuck |
| 07:48.08 | Shirik | you can't even tell vista to trust it? |
| 07:49.26 | Calliee | don't think so, though I also think that it will be one of the first "features" fixed in a patch |
| 07:49.34 | Nom- | Nope |
| 07:49.42 | Nom- | It's a vista security thing |
| 07:49.54 | Calliee | Vista was designed around the idea that every program the end user wants to run will be microsoft certified |
| 07:50.04 | Nom- | Not MS Certified |
| 07:50.08 | Shirik | which is a bit... |
| 07:50.09 | Nom- | Just Authenticode signed |
| 07:50.09 | Shirik | egotistical |
| 07:50.20 | Nom- | http://www.verisign.com/products-services/security-services/code-signing/index.html?sl=t41580041570000002&gclid=CKfRkPCQsIsCFRTGhgodmwsRvw |
| 07:50.23 | Nom- | Code signed |
| 07:50.42 | Calliee | shrugs even |
| 07:50.51 | Calliee | same differance really |
| 07:51.11 | Calliee | you don't see those requirements for mac or 'nix aps |
| 07:51.16 | Nom- | Microsoft won't fix it, because TBH, only very small companies or individuals producing software are affected |
| 07:51.51 | Nom- | That is, those who can't afford the $500 a year |
| 07:53.04 | Calliee | there still needs to be an option to kill the nag message |
| 07:53.51 | Calliee | the end user can do nothing about getting a program signed, nagging them is just going to make them angry and increase tech support costs |
| 07:56.41 | Nom- | hmm Shirik ... how do I unregister an addon? |
| 07:57.01 | Shirik | there's a hard way and an easy way |
| 07:57.12 | Shirik | the easy way only works if it's trying to update |
| 07:57.28 | Shirik | if it asks you for a UID, hit resolve and then "remove from update queue" |
| 07:57.43 | Shirik | if it asks you to confirm an installation, hit cancel, then hit resolve (it will ask for UID) then hit "remove from update queue" |
| 07:57.56 | Nom- | or you can just delete update.wid ? |
| 07:57.59 | Shirik | The hard way is to delete the update.wid file in the addon folder (all folders containing that addon) |
| 07:58.01 | Nom- | That seems to have worked |
| 07:58.15 | Shirik | it will have ;) |
| 07:58.23 | Shirik | that's the only way it knows it's registered |
| 07:58.52 | Shirik | I should make that easier... |
| 07:58.58 | Nom- | bleh; cyCircled isn't being updated on WoWI :( |
| 07:59.04 | Shirik | :( |
| 07:59.18 | Shirik | a lot of the ace authors have gotten lazy lately |
| 07:59.22 | Shirik | they don't post their addons anymore |
| 07:59.29 | Shirik | they expect people to visit the Ace site or to use their updater |
| 08:00.19 | Nom- | Which would be fine |
| 08:00.28 | Nom- | If the version coming through the updater actually worked... |
| 08:00.49 | Shirik | ? |
| 08:01.32 | Nom- | omg it's working now |
| 08:01.36 | Nom- | Must have been a new version |
| 08:01.49 | Nom- | 6 hours ago, the version of cyCircled on wowace did not work |
| 08:01.59 | Nom- | It errored like crazy and only applied skins to one of the bars |
| 08:02.01 | Shirik | ah, probably a botched commit or something |
| 08:02.18 | Shirik | one of those things that only lasts for a couple of minutes, or hours at the most |
| 08:02.21 | Shirik | and then is fixed and updated |
| 08:02.30 | Shirik | kinda like what just happened now ;) |
| 08:02.43 | Shirik | I committed rev 62, you pointed out that error, and I comitted rev 64 |
| 08:03.08 | Shirik | time between versions: 35 minutes |
| 08:03.50 | Shirik | hey you want to do me a favor nom? |
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| 08:36.42 | wereHamster | < Shirik> you need to have JRE 1.5 btw, that's the reason it's not working on Linux atm - I have sun-jdk 1.5.0.08 and 1.6.0 installed on my linux box.. |
| 08:36.53 | Shirik | ok let me clarify |
| 08:36.57 | Shirik | the Gnu JRE is 1.4 |
| 08:36.59 | Shirik | sorry |
| 08:38.10 | Shirik | and apt-get doesn't want to install sun JRE without uninstalling Gnu's, and uninstalling Gnu's would result in my forced removal of ... I forgot but it's something really drawn out |
| 08:38.14 | Shirik | eventually I just gave up |
| 08:38.48 | Iriel | You can install both and make alternatives use the sun one |
| 08:38.54 | Iriel | but it's a bit of a pain in the ass |
| 08:39.57 | wereHamster | the sun jre doesn't work with libX11 compiled with the xcb backend (ubuntu for example uses that) |
| 08:40.07 | Shirik | yeah, I'm on ubuntu |
| 08:41.43 | wereHamster | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sun-java5/+bug/86103 - it has nothing to do with azureus, it happens with all java apps that use x11 |
| 08:43.26 | Shirik | hm, interesting |
| 08:44.55 | wereHamster | btw, works under linux, the only 'bug' is that I can't select menu entries (or anything from a dropdown menu) :( |
| 08:46.21 | Shirik | the updater? |
| 08:46.41 | Shirik | or java in general? |
| 08:46.55 | wereHamster | .. probably a bug in java/swing |
| 08:47.03 | Shirik | I mean, what "works" |
| 08:47.27 | Shirik | i.e., were you testing the updater? |
| 08:48.51 | wereHamster | I started the updater, it asked me for the wow exe, now it's 'loading configuration' (since a couple of minutes already) |
| 08:49.02 | Shirik | oooh yeah that's a bug Nom pointed out, my fault |
| 08:49.15 | Shirik | bad commit; it crashes due to a missing folder |
| 08:49.27 | Shirik | if you make a "Backups" folder in your WoW directory, it should resolve that problem |
| 08:49.39 | Shirik | (capitalized as such) |
| 08:49.55 | Shirik | it's already been fixed on the SVN but haven't posted up the new archives yet |
| 08:50.57 | Shirik | and yeah, it would cause a deadlock situation which would result in you not being able to choose any of the menu items |
| 08:51.12 | Nom- | what's up Shirik ? |
| 08:51.14 | Nom- | I'm running Arc lol |
| 08:51.24 | Shirik | ah, what did I want from you... |
| 08:51.25 | Shirik | oh yeah! |
| 08:51.40 | Shirik | Could you try doing file->install and install some new addon? |
| 08:51.55 | Shirik | Something that isn't currently installed on your computer |
| 08:52.05 | Shirik | You can delete it afterwards if you want ^^; |
| 08:52.07 | wereHamster | .. time to 'svn co' :P |
| 08:53.00 | wereHamster | err.. no makefile? |
| 08:53.17 | Shirik | sorry :( I haven't gotten that far |
| 08:53.55 | Shirik | here, how about I post up the new JAR archive |
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| 08:57.07 | Shirik | wereHamster: http://code.google.com/p/wowiupdater/downloads/detail?name=wowiupdater_jar_0_1_65.zip&can=2&q= |
| 09:01.15 | Shirik | I'm... really glad to see that it's operating well on other OSes then... (well in the sense that it's operating consistently... not well in the sense that that bug is a bit big) |
| 09:06.08 | wereHamster | now stuck at 'parsing addons' |
| 09:06.16 | Shirik | :( |
| 09:06.28 | Shirik | did it make an error.log in your working directory? |
| 09:07.09 | Shirik | mm actually I'm going to hop over to linux and see if I can't get 1.5 installed forcefully, then test it myself |
| 09:07.17 | Shirik | brb |
| 09:07.37 | wereHamster | Exception [2007-03-07_11-22-52-414] in thread "main": java.io.FileNotFoundException ==> Cannot isolate Interface directory. |
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| 09:18.09 | Shirik | ooh I did manage to get it installed ^^ |
| 09:28.22 | Shirik | hrm, wereHamster: I can't say I have the same problem as you; in fact it seems to be working for me. If you did get an error.log out of it, feel free to send it to tg.skullshot@gmail.com and I'll take a look at it |
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| 09:42.32 | wereHamster | Shirik, sorry, I'll have to go back to libX11-xcb, too many apps rely on the xcb backend now :( |
| 09:42.40 | Shirik | heh, go ahead :P |
| 09:42.57 | Shirik | I actually just downloaded the JRE manually from sun, put it in my ~ folder |
| 09:43.07 | Shirik | and executed it manually with ./java -jar wowiupdater.jar |
| 09:43.31 | Shirik | that way everything else has the JRE it expects, and I can use the 1.5 JRE when I want to |
| 09:43.54 | Shirik | but, did it happen to make a error.log in the current working directory? |
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| 09:44.25 | wereHamster | yes, but I somehow deleted it -.- |
| 09:44.26 | wobin_ | http://www.collegehumor.com/tag:streetfighterthelateryears |
| 09:44.27 | wobin_ | win |
| 09:44.32 | Shirik | heh, oh well |
| 09:44.35 | Shirik | no worries |
| 09:44.41 | wereHamster | Exception [2007-03-07_11-22-52-414] in thread "main": java.io.FileNotFoundException ==> Cannot isolate Interface directory. |
| 09:44.42 | Shirik | thanks for the info, though |
| 09:44.49 | Shirik | oh, interesting |
| 09:45.26 | Shirik | I think I'm going to put in some more checks on the WoW path chooser |
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| 11:12.13 | syntax-error | Hey, does anyone know if there is an updated version of statscompare? |
| 11:12.27 | Shirik | never heard of it, what does it do? |
| 11:13.11 | syntax-error | Compairs stats on equipped items compaired to those in inv/bank/chat |
| 11:13.28 | syntax-error | such as +15 INT -5 STA |
| 11:13.56 | syntax-error | i tried updating it myself. but i dont know lua well enough |
| 11:14.21 | Shirik | like this? http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5188-CompareStats.html |
| 11:15.02 | syntax-error | thats one of the old versions yeah |
| 11:15.03 | wereHamster | is it now possible to see items in the bank even if the person doesn't have the bank frame open? |
| 11:15.21 | Shirik | wereHamster: If you cache that information |
| 11:15.53 | syntax-error | but, that one is outdated and dosnt work either Shirik |
| 11:16.11 | syntax-error | again.. tried and failed to fix that one |
| 11:18.33 | Shirik | hm, dunno then |
| 11:18.45 | Shirik | I just use EquipCompare and do the calculations in my head |
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| 11:31.23 | syntax-error | ok, maybe some advise. im trying again to update the addon. but ive fixed all the error messages. but now the addon does...well nothing. what should my next step be? |
| 11:31.56 | Shirik | figure out what exactly it should be doing, and where it does that |
| 11:32.13 | wereHamster | put :AddMessage()s to the code to see what it does |
| 11:32.40 | [dRaCo] | hey guys, anybody got an alternative to procwatch? the version on wowi is totally outdated |
| 11:32.48 | Shirik | hrm |
| 11:32.55 | Shirik | I made an updated version of ProcWatcher ... not sure if it's the same |
| 11:33.00 | Shirik | ProcWatcher != ProcWatch iirc |
| 11:33.27 | [dRaCo] | as long as it's capable of telling me how often my weapon thingy procs, I don't care ;) |
| 11:33.28 | Shirik | yeah they're different, ignore me |
| 11:33.37 | Shirik | mm it would be extremely difficult to use if possible at all |
| 11:36.31 | [dRaCo] | hm, seems to work... I just changed the toc. |
| 11:36.56 | Shirik | come to think about it |
| 11:36.58 | Shirik | it should, really |
| 11:37.15 | Shirik | unless they were using some deprecated syntaxes in Lua 5 (for key, value in table, ex) |
| 11:37.40 | Shirik | because it doesn't need secure frames, the CHAT_MSG_COMBAT_... events haven't changed |
| 11:37.40 | Shirik | et.c |
| 11:37.43 | [dRaCo] | of course, now the proc doesn't proc... -.-" |
| 11:37.48 | Shirik | lol |
| 11:39.38 | [dRaCo] | just bought the riftmaker and was wondering how often that slow procs |
| 11:40.02 | [dRaCo] | ha, 1st proc... procwatch works |
| 11:43.24 | syntax-error | ok thats odd.. it only triggers the hook event from equipped items. |
| 11:44.44 | syntax-error | ever heard of GFWTooltip? |
| 11:53.22 | syntax-error | oh thats annoying, the addon uses a lib called GFWTooltip thats now defunct.. |
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| 12:06.31 | syntax-error | found a working version! http://wowinterface.com/downloads/info6933-Bonuses.html |
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| 13:27.48 | Shirik | cladhaire are you around? |
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| 13:34.31 | hugo | lo |
| 13:34.42 | Shirik | hi |
| 13:35.07 | hugo | the blizard buildin enemy cast bar work only with blizard frame right ? |
| 13:35.51 | hugo | hey ckknight you round ? :) |
| 13:36.09 | Shirik | afaik, yes |
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| 13:39.20 | capitano666 | Hi |
| 13:39.25 | hugo | hi |
| 13:39.39 | Shirik | morning |
| 13:39.48 | capitano666 | May I please ask for help about a problem I have writing an addon? |
| 13:40.34 | Shirik | Don't ask to ask, just ask it |
| 13:40.39 | Shirik | This is IRC, we're all friends here |
| 13:40.50 | capitano666 | I'm doing: GameTooltip:SetPetAction(6); Print(GameTooltip:NumLines()); [Print is a function that write to the chat frame, I have my pet out and the slot is ok] but it write 0 |
| 13:41.00 | wereHamster | friends.. right |
| 13:41.05 | wereHamster | purl, hug wort |
| 13:41.19 | purl | ACTION sneaks up on wort and suddenly hugs wort tightly |
| 13:41.20 | wereHamster | purl, hug capitano666 |
| 13:41.21 | purl | ACTION hugs capitano666 |
| 13:41.23 | Shirik | purl is very, very slow |
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| 13:42.22 | capitano666 | so, any clue why that damned GameTooltip:NumLines() should return 0? T_T |
| 13:42.40 | Shirik | Are you sure you have a pet action 6? |
| 13:42.46 | Shirik | oh wait |
| 13:42.49 | capitano666 | yes I am |
| 13:42.53 | Shirik | you did GameTooltip:SetPetAction(6) ? |
| 13:42.58 | capitano666 | consider all noob-checks already done |
| 13:43.02 | capitano666 | yes |
| 13:43.08 | Shirik | not a variable name? |
| 13:43.21 | capitano666 | no...it used to work (months ago) |
| 13:43.38 | Shirik | how about this, go to http://wowi.pastey.net and paste the relevant code and give us the link so we can see it |
| 13:44.03 | capitano666 | not much more than the one I've written already |
| 13:44.09 | capitano666 | but I will |
| 13:44.22 | Shirik | I want to see where the variable comes from |
| 13:44.36 | capitano666 | nowhere, just written |
| 13:44.58 | Shirik | er.. everything comes from somewhere >< |
| 13:45.38 | Shirik | what I'm trying to see is exactly how you wrote this. At least do something like those two lines, and the 15 lines before and after it |
| 13:46.58 | capitano666 | no no I only wrote this |
| 13:47.00 | capitano666 | http://wowi.pastey.net/10886 |
| 13:47.12 | Shirik | ok, yeah, you can't do that |
| 13:47.48 | Shirik | GameTooltip:SetPetAction() is not valid code, GameTooltip is not a variable, it's a class. (Lua experts bear with me I know this isn't correct but it's the best I can explain it >< ) |
| 13:47.59 | Shirik | Basically... you need to make a tooltip |
| 13:48.05 | Shirik | you don't actually have a tooltip right now |
| 13:48.20 | capitano666 | but but...it worked time ago :/ |
| 13:48.35 | Shirik | whether or not it worked before is irrelevant, it may have just been a coincidence; it's not correct |
| 13:48.42 | Shirik | What you need to do is something like |
| 13:48.55 | Shirik | myTooltip = CreateFrame("GameTooltip"); |
| 13:49.01 | Shirik | followed by myTooltip:SetPetAction() |
| 13:49.02 | Shirik | etc |
| 13:49.16 | capitano666 | ok will try |
| 13:49.39 | Shirik | make that "local myTooltip" instead of "myTooltip" please |
| 13:50.15 | capitano666 | err, still 0 |
| 13:50.26 | Shirik | you did reload your UI, right? |
| 13:50.34 | capitano666 | please not, I don't get an error, but the expected result should be 4 instead of 0 |
| 13:50.47 | capitano666 | nope I just did /script m = CreateFrame("GameTooltip"); m:SetPetAction(6); Print(m:NumLines()); |
| 13:50.55 | Shirik | ah |
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| 13:52.19 | Shirik | out of curiosity, why do you need that info? |
| 13:53.20 | capitano666 | btw I don't think it's a class but an already instanced variable, I'm using it to read the tooltip (which already exist), and wowwiki uses it as I did http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GameTooltip_SetAction |
| 13:53.36 | Shirik | that's because in Lua, classes and variables are the same thing |
| 13:53.49 | capitano666 | I'm trying to update a long time ago addon of mine: http://wow-en.curse-gaming.com/downloads/details/2402/demons/ |
| 13:54.02 | capitano666 | (that used to work >.<) |
| 13:55.06 | Shirik | well, not really the same thing so much as |
| 13:55.09 | Shirik | there is no such thing as a class |
| 13:55.21 | Shirik | a "class" is just a clever use of a table, which is a variable |
| 13:55.23 | capitano666 | well there is some similar thing :p |
| 13:55.39 | capitano666 | ok, I'll call it a stuct then :P |
| 13:55.43 | capitano666 | *struct |
| 13:56.02 | Shirik | I wrote up a huge page on it if you want to read :P http://www.wowwiki.com/Object_Oriented_Programming |
| 13:56.09 | Shirik | but ... not relevant right now :P |
| 13:56.22 | capitano666 | no thanks I kinda know what OO is ^_^" |
| 13:56.27 | wereHamster | 'table with an associated metatable' would be more correct.. |
| 13:56.33 | Shirik | right |
| 13:56.38 | Shirik | clever use of table :P |
| 13:57.11 | Shirik | here: |
| 13:57.20 | Shirik | "Lua classes are handled similarly to Lua namespaces. Like many concepts in Lua, their implementation relies on the power of Lua tables to perform their task. One thing Lua namespaces don't have to do, however, that Lua classes do, is create themselves. As stated earlier, classes need to be reproducable atomically -- that is, multiple instances of classes need to be able to be instantiated. This is done through a Lua concept called "m |
| 13:57.44 | Shirik | but... back to the subject |
| 13:58.02 | Shirik | I think the real reason I'm asking this, capitano666 |
| 13:58.11 | Shirik | is I don't see why you need to know the number of lines, can you clarify that for me? |
| 13:58.21 | capitano666 | well...I'm not really intrested to know how lua internally works, as long as my knowledge of C/C++/Java/PHP/C# is enought to write something that works |
| 13:58.44 | capitano666 | well I do to scan the tooltip |
| 13:58.52 | Shirik | ok |
| 13:59.07 | capitano666 | exactly as explained in http://www.wowwiki.com/UIOBJECT_GameTooltip |
| 14:00.41 | Shirik | right, do you see the part about hidden tooltips? |
| 14:00.49 | Shirik | notice how, in XML, they made a GameTooltip variable |
| 14:00.57 | Shirik | I think I see the problem though |
| 14:01.20 | Shirik | try /script m = CreateFrame("GameTooltip"); m:SetOwner(m, "ANCHOR_NONE"); m:SetPetAction(6); Print(m:NumLines()); |
| 14:01.35 | cladhaire | you can't tooltip set owner to itself anymore. |
| 14:01.39 | Shirik | :( |
| 14:01.47 | capitano666 | oh |
| 14:02.00 | Shirik | try /script m = CreateFrame("GameTooltip"); m:SetOwner(UIParent, "ANCHOR_NONE"); m:SetPetAction(6); Print(m:NumLines()); |
| 14:02.01 | Shirik | ? |
| 14:02.19 | cladhaire | do you want it to have tooltip lines? |
| 14:02.22 | cladhaire | cause that one won't |
| 14:02.32 | cladhaire | you'd need to addfontstrings, or use the GameTooltipTemplate template. |
| 14:02.32 | wereHamster | what's the reason for the :SetOwner() anyway? |
| 14:02.39 | capitano666 | I want to have the full tooltip text |
| 14:02.47 | Shirik | I think cladhaire can take over because I'm not familiar enough with GameTooltip ^^ |
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| 14:06.03 | capitano666 | ...isn't addfontstrings to put test inside the tooltip? oO |
| 14:06.22 | cladhaire | if you want to make your own tooltip, then the easiest way is /script m = CreateFrame("GameTooltip", "MyTooltipName", UIParent, "GameTooltipTemplate"); m:SetOwner(UIParent, "ANCHOR_CURSOR"); m:SetPetAction(6); m:Show() |
| 14:06.24 | cladhaire | ish |
| 14:06.31 | cladhaire | the first line is the important one. |
| 14:07.06 | cladhaire | capitano666: yes.. you need the text from the tooltip |
| 14:07.06 | cladhaire | i'm assume |
| 14:07.06 | cladhaire | that's the whole reason you'd bemaking a tooltip |
| 14:07.31 | capitano666 | works!!1 thanks a lot |
| 14:08.27 | capitano666 | I only need the tooltip to read, so no use for the Show, is the SetOwner mandatory? |
| 14:08.34 | Shirik | yes |
| 14:08.44 | Shirik | according to wowwiki at least :P |
| 14:08.53 | Shirik | it is non functional until it has an owner |
| 14:08.54 | capitano666 | so I just set it to random values as it's never going to be shown |
| 14:09.03 | Shirik | mm "random" is a bad word |
| 14:09.04 | wereHamster | the :Show(), too.. |
| 14:09.07 | Shirik | UIParent is probably the best place too |
| 14:09.16 | cladhaire | you dont need :Show() |
| 14:09.21 | capitano666 | ok existing values but no matter which one is the anchor |
| 14:09.29 | wereHamster | err.. not |
| 14:09.59 | Shirik | um.... in theory, yes |
| 14:10.06 | Shirik | but for organizational purposes, use UIParent |
| 14:10.08 | Shirik | since it's the most logical choice |
| 14:11.00 | Shirik | cladhaire do you have a moment? I have a mac question for you >< |
| 14:11.28 | cladhaire | whats up |
| 14:11.46 | Shirik | hmm |
| 14:11.55 | Shirik | ok first, basic question |
| 14:11.57 | Cairenn|afk | the sun, moon, stars, sky |
| 14:12.03 | Shirik | in your WoW directory, you have a Cache folder, right? |
| 14:13.11 | Shirik | I just need some folder name in the WoW directory that is guaranteed to exist |
| 14:13.19 | wereHamster | Data |
| 14:13.26 | Shirik | ok that works |
| 14:13.27 | cladhaire | Interface |
| 14:13.31 | cladhaire | .. |
| 14:13.33 | Shirik | see that's the thing |
| 14:13.37 | Shirik | I don't think that's guaranteed to exist.. |
| 14:13.40 | wereHamster | Interface, too, since there are some blizzard addons |
| 14:13.42 | cladhaire | yes it is. |
| 14:13.45 | cladhaire | well |
| 14:13.51 | cladhaire | its guaranteed if the game has been run at least once. |
| 14:13.57 | wereHamster | exactly |
| 14:13.58 | Shirik | ah is that it |
| 14:14.09 | Cairenn|afk | however |
| 14:14.14 | Shirik | what about Data... is that guaranteed to exist if the game hasn't been run? |
| 14:14.20 | wereHamster | yes :) |
| 14:14.22 | Cairenn|afk | if someone deletes it completely, it won't exist until the game has been run again |
| 14:14.24 | Shirik | (I'm trying to make a foolproof system here) |
| 14:14.31 | Cairenn|afk | (the interface folder) |
| 14:14.38 | cladhaire | Data will exist either way |
| 14:14.43 | wereHamster | Shirik, what about files? |
| 14:14.45 | Cairenn|afk | aye |
| 14:14.46 | cladhaire | in /Applications/World of Warcraft by default |
| 14:14.52 | Shirik | see, files are something I'm worried about |
| 14:14.55 | Teomyr | if data is not present, the game won't run, since the "glue" files are in there |
| 14:14.56 | Shirik | I was going to test for WoW.exe |
| 14:15.03 | Shirik | but... that may not be the same on mac? |
| 14:15.11 | cladhaire | why not /Applications/World of Warcraft/World of Warcraft.app |
| 14:15.14 | cladhaire | ? |
| 14:15.16 | Shirik | see that's the problem |
| 14:15.21 | Shirik | it needs to be the same across all platforms |
| 14:15.40 | wereHamster | try directories _and_ files.. :) |
| 14:15.44 | Shirik | I mean, I guess I could test 2 different possibilities, but I'd rather just one choice |
| 14:15.50 | Shirik | so if Data exists everywhere, then just use that :P |
| 14:16.03 | Shirik | Ok, so the more complicated question now |
| 14:16.10 | Shirik | and I don't even know how to ask this >< |
| 14:16.23 | wereHamster | eg. 'Data/ and (DivxDecoder.dll and WoW.exe or [some mac file name])' |
| 14:16.37 | Shirik | Like... how does your Desktop work? |
| 14:16.48 | cladhaire | why does it matter? |
| 14:16.58 | cladhaire | i mean, we have a desktop.. and it works |
| 14:16.59 | Shirik | I'm trying to figure out how I can "install" the updater to a Mac system |
| 14:17.01 | cladhaire | what do you want to know |
| 14:17.08 | cladhaire | what language is it witten in |
| 14:17.11 | cladhaire | and you don't write an installer |
| 14:17.16 | cladhaire | mac apps dont' have installers. |
| 14:17.21 | cladhaire | with few exceptions |
| 14:17.26 | Shirik | ok, well presently I have a JAR archive |
| 14:17.40 | Shirik | I know for a fact that you can go into a terminal and do java -jar wowiupdater.jar |
| 14:17.44 | Shirik | and it will work correctly |
| 14:17.47 | cladhaire | well send it to me, and i'll tell you |
| 14:18.01 | Shirik | I know zilch about macs >< |
| 14:18.12 | Shirik | cladhaire: http://code.google.com/p/wowiupdater/downloads/detail?name=wowiupdater_jar_0_1_70.zip&can=2&q= |
| 14:18.14 | cladhaire | well i know more than zilch |
| 14:18.43 | Shirik | the "executable" would be in that zip, named wowiupdater.jar |
| 14:18.55 | cladhaire | we just double click it |
| 14:18.58 | cladhaire | so you dont have to do anything |
| 14:19.01 | Shirik | wow |
| 14:19.02 | cladhaire | i can even make a .dmg for you |
| 14:19.05 | Shirik | dmg? |
| 14:19.11 | cladhaire | disk images |
| 14:19.14 | cladhaire | mountable disk images |
| 14:19.21 | cladhaire | thats how most stuff is distributes |
| 14:19.24 | cladhaire | but this would be fine too |
| 14:19.39 | Shirik | if you were average joe mac user that knew very little |
| 14:19.41 | Shirik | which would you prefer? |
| 14:19.42 | cladhaire | ideally you'd want a .app, but tats not required. |
| 14:19.47 | cladhaire | Shirik: a . |
| 14:19.49 | cladhaire | a .app |
| 14:19.50 | Shirik | .app = binary? |
| 14:20.12 | Shirik | unfortunately I can't really compile to the mac platform |
| 14:20.23 | cladhaire | no, .app is a bundle |
| 14:20.24 | cladhaire | let me look |
| 14:21.08 | cladhaire | is the swig-layout lib needed? |
| 14:21.20 | Shirik | I've never tested without it, but I believe it is, yes |
| 14:21.28 | cladhaire | yeah it looks to be |
| 14:21.31 | Shirik | it was added automatically by my compiler |
| 14:21.54 | Shirik | I know that I have a lot of Swing calls, but... I thought that would have been packaged with the JRE |
| 14:22.54 | Shirik | yes it gets very pissed off without that library |
| 14:23.52 | sysrage | anybody have a mod updater that works with multiple sites and actually works well? I was liking WUU a lot but it seems the author fell asleep |
| 14:24.08 | Shirik | WUU? |
| 14:24.14 | sysrage | wow ui updater |
| 14:24.18 | sysrage | http://wuu.vagabonds.info/ |
| 14:24.45 | Cairenn|afk | interesting, never knew there was one that was pulling from WoWI |
| 14:24.46 | sysrage | was awesome when the author was keeping it up to date, but curse gaming changes their page layouts 20 times a day |
| 14:24.57 | Shirik | neither did I actually ^^; |
| 14:24.57 | sysrage | ya it works perfectly with wowi |
| 14:25.01 | Shirik | >.> |
| 14:25.07 | Shirik | you should have said this about... a month ago |
| 14:25.14 | Cairenn|afk | other than the new one by Pprovost, and now the one by Shirik |
| 14:25.14 | sysrage | i've mentioned it before |
| 14:25.23 | cladhaire | Shirik: making a .app on windows, for deployment on a mac isn'tthat horrible |
| 14:25.26 | cladhaire | http://java.sun.com/developer/technicalArticles/JavaLP/JavaToMac3/ |
| 14:25.28 | cladhaire | the last section |
| 14:25.33 | JoshBorke | purl, hug Cairenn|afk |
| 14:25.42 | purl | ACTION gets a running start and tackle-hugs Cairenn|afk |
| 14:25.42 | cladhaire | you just basically have to create a specific directory structure |
| 14:25.43 | Cairenn|afk | purl, hug JoshBorke |
| 14:25.45 | purl | ACTION jumps into JoshBorke's lap and huggles and *hugs* JoshBorke |
| 14:25.45 | Shirik | ah, I was reading part 1 of that earlier ^^; |
| 14:25.45 | cladhaire | i'll try to get you the JavaApplicationStub |
| 14:26.28 | Shirik | well, I don't care there's another one, mine's better! :P |
| 14:26.49 | Shirik | he tells you to backup yourself, this backs up for you |
| 14:28.14 | cladhaire | Shirik: I may be able to generat teh stub for you |
| 14:28.18 | cladhaire | the you could make hte .app on your own |
| 14:28.18 | cladhaire | brb |
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| 14:30.20 | capitano666 | ok....now I'm having problems with extracting the text, shouldn't /script m = CreateFrame("GameTooltip", "MyTooltipName", UIParent, "GameTooltipTemplate"); m:SetOwner(UIParent, "ANCHOR_CURSOR"); m:SetPetAction(6); m:Show(); txt=getglobal("GameTooltipTextLeft1"); Print(txt:GetText()); work? |
| 14:30.59 | cladhaire | no |
| 14:31.04 | cladhaire | MyTooltipNameTextLeft1 |
| 14:31.10 | Shirik | again, your variable is not GameTooltip |
| 14:31.22 | cladhaire | Shirik: the error log is created when there are no errors |
| 14:31.27 | Shirik | that's true |
| 14:31.29 | capitano666 | meh forgot that ^_^" |
| 14:31.34 | Shirik | is that a problem? |
| 14:31.34 | capitano666 | damned copypasta :P |
| 14:31.36 | cladhaire | Shirik: config.wic and error.log are dumped into the same location as the file. |
| 14:31.42 | cladhaire | which is bad for mac users. |
| 14:31.53 | cladhaire | but I have a .app that's working for you |
| 14:32.01 | sysrage | shirik: if that backup comment was about WUU.. it backs stuff up for you also.. but what's your updater? |
| 14:32.20 | Shirik | cladhaire: they don't like to see this? or it doesn't work |
| 14:32.45 | cladhaire | You can't dump the config/error files in the same directory as the .app |
| 14:32.49 | Cairenn|afk | ummm, from the looks of the thread on SA, the author of WUU is still developing - his last post on the thread there was 7 Apr |
| 14:33.00 | cladhaire | i know you haven't been coding for that |
| 14:33.04 | cladhaire | but you can't/shoudln't really do that |
| 14:33.13 | Shirik | yeah like I said I know nothing of how macs work >< |
| 14:33.36 | Shirik | I can change it easily though |
| 14:33.36 | Shirik | what "should" I do? |
| 14:33.36 | sysrage | ya, he just has been slow to update the curse regex lately and since the bastards change the site so much it's frustrating. he really needs to make it so the user can change the regex |
| 14:34.20 | Cairenn|afk | and his thread on ace has a post by him today |
| 14:34.44 | Shirik | cladhaire: is there a place where applications are supposed to place their files? |
| 14:34.44 | Cairenn|afk | how the hell did I never know about this installer? o.O |
| 14:34.50 | cladhaire | Shirik: http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Java/Conceptual/Java131Development/overview/chapter_2_section_6.html |
| 14:34.54 | sysrage | cause you don't pay attention to me! :P |
| 14:34.57 | cladhaire | yes, /Library/Preferences |
| 14:35.01 | cladhaire | under their own subdirectory |
| 14:35.09 | Cairenn|afk | sowwy :( |
| 14:35.27 | cladhaire | i.e. /Library/Preferences/com.wowinterface.plist/error.log |
| 14:35.29 | sysrage | heh. why would you? i'm a nobody |
| 14:35.39 | Cairenn|afk | no one is a nobody |
| 14:36.26 | sysrage | shirik does your updater only work with wowi? |
| 14:36.26 | Shirik | ugh, that will pose problems then |
| 14:36.30 | Shirik | that is correct |
| 14:36.34 | cladhaire | not really |
| 14:36.42 | cladhaire | you're gonna have to code for mac/unix/windows |
| 14:36.47 | cladhaire | for some things |
| 14:36.50 | Shirik | right, I would have to code separately |
| 14:36.53 | cladhaire | but the code is minimal |
| 14:37.04 | cladhaire | well welcome to the world of "java is cross platform, but no so much" |
| 14:37.08 | Shirik | haha |
| 14:37.26 | cladhaire | Shirik: http://dump.brokendreams.net/files/WoWUIUpdater.app.zip |
| 14:37.28 | Shirik | the alternative option is that I put configuration information in... no that doesn't make any sense |
| 14:37.32 | cladhaire | that's what you need to do to make a .app |
| 14:37.36 | cladhaire | replace the .jar files |
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| 14:37.55 | Shirik | thanks :) |
| 14:39.07 | cladhaire | feel free to change/update somethign |
| 14:39.09 | cladhaire | and then send it over |
| 14:40.13 | cladhaire | Shirik: http://www.mindspring.com/~mgrand/java-system-properties.htm that gets you user.home, the homedirectory of the user |
| 14:40.27 | Shirik | yeah that much I've figured out |
| 14:40.38 | cladhaire | for windows, you'd want to put them in whatever that damn Local Application Data directory is, and for us /Library/Preferences/com.wowinterface.plist |
| 14:40.57 | Shirik | I wonder what user.home is on windows |
| 14:41.08 | cladhaire | the user's home directory |
| 14:41.09 | cladhaire | ... |
| 14:41.09 | Shirik | I guess it would be docs\username |
| 14:41.18 | cladhaire | c:\documents and settings\username on XP |
| 14:41.21 | Shirik | yeah |
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| 14:43.35 | Industrial | Anyone know where i can find some (preferrably Creative Commons) wallpapers for 1280x1024? Sometimes I see these vector drawn wallpapers of babes, really like those :o |
| 14:43.50 | Shirik | welp, I think I'm going to sleep for a bit |
| 14:43.53 | Shirik | take care everyone |
| 14:43.53 | Industrial | (also 1680x1050 for my laptop ^^) |
| 14:43.54 | cladhaire | skins.be |
| 14:43.56 | Industrial | Shirik: nn |
| 14:44.00 | Industrial | cladhaire: thanks |
| 14:44.05 | cladhaire | Industrial: those are real tho =) |
| 14:44.08 | cladhaire | Industrial: still hot |
| 14:44.13 | Cairenn|afk | sweet dreams Shirik|zZz |
| 14:44.19 | Industrial | thats ok too :o |
| 14:44.36 | [dRaCo] | Industrial: try deviantart.com, they've got lots of vector art, too |
| 14:46.24 | capitano666 | ok also discovered that a tooltip can be scanned ONLY if it's shown, but ANCHOR_NONE position it outside screen |
| 14:47.16 | cladhaire | what are you scanning for? |
| 14:47.16 | Shirik|zZz | well, that specifies it has no anchor |
| 14:47.24 | Shirik|zZz | which means that it isn't visible |
| 14:47.31 | Shirik|zZz | it's equivalent to having a frame and not using SetPoint() |
| 14:48.19 | cladhaire | stop sleep troubleshooting |
| 14:48.25 | capitano666 | yes but if I wrote :Hide() all the lines resulted to be empty |
| 14:48.27 | Shirik|zZz | I turned into Cairenn|afk |
| 14:48.36 | Cairenn|afk | lol |
| 14:48.37 | cladhaire | :Hide() clears the left-hand side of the tooltip |
| 14:48.38 | capitano666 | I'm scanning pet spells tooltips |
| 14:48.38 | Shirik|zZz | I go to sleep 2 hours after I say I did |
| 14:48.40 | cladhaire | that's not the same thing. |
| 14:50.01 | cladhaire | why are you calling :hide()? |
| 14:50.04 | cladhaire | don't do that |
| 14:50.31 | capitano666 | I did :Show() :SetPetAction(n) getglobals scanstuff :Hide() and all lines were empty |
| 14:50.38 | capitano666 | no no not doing Hide now |
| 14:50.43 | capitano666 | ANCHOR_NONE solved |
| 14:50.49 | cladhaire | uhh. k |
| 14:52.15 | cladhaire | Shirik|zZz: How will the updater handle something like LIghtHeaded? |
| 14:52.26 | Shirik|zZz | what would the problem be? I think I've really tested the limits |
| 14:52.35 | Shirik|zZz | (I mean what do you anticipate to be wrong) |
| 14:52.36 | cladhaire | it creates three addons |
| 14:52.42 | Shirik|zZz | so three folders in there? |
| 14:52.58 | cladhaire | yep |
| 14:53.06 | Shirik|zZz | Basically, what it does, when installed, it picks one to be the "master" and marks the rest as "dependents" |
| 14:53.24 | Shirik|zZz | it will only try to update one of the three, but when it installs, it backs up all three and cleans out all three folders, then installs all three |
| 14:53.45 | cladhaire | hrm |
| 14:53.49 | cladhaire | it thinks my clique is out of date |
| 14:53.50 | cladhaire | how odd |
| 14:53.56 | Shirik|zZz | unfortunately sometimes it picks an illogical one, like for auctioneer it's picking !Swatter (I think it's doing alphabetical order) |
| 14:53.58 | Shirik|zZz | oh, that's because |
| 14:54.02 | Shirik|zZz | it will force you to update them all once |
| 14:54.07 | Shirik|zZz | It has no way of telling the current version |
| 14:54.11 | cladhaire | ah okay |
| 14:54.19 | cladhaire | the preview panel on the resolve screen doesn't show anything |
| 14:54.26 | cladhaire | it says "The addon shown below has a UID of 3999" |
| 14:54.26 | Shirik|zZz | hmm |
| 14:54.30 | cladhaire | but its blank |
| 14:54.35 | Shirik|zZz | I might be missing a file somewhere... oops |
| 14:54.38 | Shirik|zZz | I'll check on that |
| 14:54.54 | Shirik|zZz | but you know how to find it, right? :P |
| 14:55.08 | Shirik|zZz | alternatively, though, if you had it in your favorites on WoWInterface |
| 14:55.10 | cladhaire | yes |
| 14:55.11 | Shirik|zZz | it should pick it up automatically |
| 14:55.13 | cladhaire | thats not hte point =) |
| 14:55.19 | Shirik|zZz | Yeah I know ^^; |
| 14:55.32 | cladhaire | i think the multi-threading is somewhat hokey |
| 14:55.36 | cladhaire | but thats imho |
| 14:55.45 | Shirik|zZz | what do you mean? |
| 14:56.05 | cladhaire | it suspends threads waiting to confirm |
| 14:56.18 | Shirik|zZz | I need to... choose better words |
| 14:56.39 | Shirik|zZz | the thread is still running, it's just waiting for you to choose something |
| 14:56.45 | Shirik|zZz | or would you rather it continues on to some of the others? |
| 14:56.58 | Shirik|zZz | ooh! I know how I could do that |
| 14:57.32 | Shirik|zZz | Bear with me though, this was actually my first multithreaded Java application |
| 14:57.48 | cladhaire | I think if you get to a stop point on a thread, it wouldn't hur tto at least run the first step on the other threads that are waiting" |
| 14:58.02 | Shirik|zZz | Yeah, before I wanted to but I couldn't think of a way of doing it |
| 14:58.06 | Shirik|zZz | but, actually I just figured it out |
| 14:58.48 | cladhaire | also "confirm" |
| 14:58.52 | cladhaire | what does that button do? |
| 14:58.59 | cladhaire | and i dont see a way to cancel once i'm at that step |
| 14:59.07 | Shirik|zZz | if you hit it, it will bring up a dialog |
| 14:59.14 | Shirik|zZz | which clarifies what will happen |
| 14:59.18 | Shirik|zZz | and install or cancel |
| 14:59.18 | Cairenn|afk | hokay, so, here is the earth - /me laughs her ass off again, then toodles off back to bed for a nap |
| 14:59.26 | Shirik|zZz | haha |
| 14:59.29 | Shirik|zZz | I love that thing |
| 14:59.47 | cladhaire | Shirik|zZz: then it goes back to resolve.. perhaps you should have a cancel button and a confirm button at that step |
| 14:59.55 | Cairenn|afk | I am le tired! |
| 15:00.00 | cladhaire | well have a nap |
| 15:00.04 | Shirik|zZz | FIRE ZE MISSILES! |
| 15:00.07 | Cairenn|afk | ;) |
| 15:00.10 | Cairenn|afk | bye bye |
| 15:00.18 | Industrial | bit i am le tired |
| 15:01.01 | Shirik|zZz | For those confused, http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/end.php (NSFW) |
| 15:02.15 | cladhaire | Shirik|zZz: this would cannabalize my svn working copy, no? |
| 15:02.24 | Shirik|zZz | mmm |
| 15:02.27 | Shirik|zZz | yeah probably |
| 15:02.32 | Shirik|zZz | I never put RDX into my updater |
| 15:02.35 | Shirik|zZz | for fear of that |
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| 15:03.28 | cladhaire | bah that sucks |
| 15:03.40 | Shirik|zZz | if you already installed, you can revert, if that's what you're saying |
| 15:03.52 | Shirik|zZz | it should have backed up your SVN data too |
| 15:04.00 | cladhaire | aye |
| 15:04.01 | Shirik|zZz | it literally backs up anything that's not a .zip |
| 15:04.08 | cladhaire | just wish it would update svn working copies too |
| 15:04.25 | Shirik|zZz | perhaps in a future version, but the general user isn't going to have a use for that >< |
| 15:04.37 | cladhaire | you'd be suprised. |
| 15:04.38 | cladhaire | to say the least |
| 15:04.47 | Shirik|zZz | the general user thinks svn is some russian word that has no vowels :P |
| 15:04.58 | cladhaire | you clearly haven't hung around wowinterface very long |
| 15:04.59 | cladhaire | =/ |
| 15:05.12 | Shirik|zZz | mm .. not long enough to have ever seen svn use on it |
| 15:05.14 | zenzelezz | I'd be more surprised if they thought it was a Russian word that had vowels |
| 15:05.55 | Shirik|zZz | though I have to say with programs like TortoiseSVN, svn has become really easy to use for end-users |
| 15:06.52 | cladhaire | tort is more complicated than commandline |
| 15:07.03 | zenzelezz | not necessarily |
| 15:07.13 | cladhaire | that was opinion, not fact |
| 15:07.22 | Shirik|zZz | perhaps, but think about it from an end-user perspective |
| 15:07.25 | Shirik|zZz | who doesn't even know what dos is |
| 15:07.38 | cladhaire | you assume all end users don't know what dos is =) |
| 15:07.44 | cladhaire | that's an invalid assumption here :P |
| 15:07.57 | cladhaire | if the user is able to use slash commands in wow, they're capable and perhaps comfortable with commandline updating. |
| 15:07.57 | Shirik|zZz | I've been in tech support long enough to have a pretty solid foundation to agree with that statement |
| 15:08.12 | cladhaire | again |
| 15:08.20 | cladhaire | you're assuming the wrong demographic. |
| 15:08.26 | cladhaire | the wow user ~= the average tech support users. |
| 15:08.28 | Shirik|zZz | ok we're talking about two different things, I guess. You're talking "here" wowinterface |
| 15:08.31 | Shirik|zZz | I'm talking in general |
| 15:08.42 | cladhaire | well, we're talking about wowinterface |
| 15:08.49 | cladhaire | i dont think the average tech support user has any relevance here. |
| 15:08.56 | Shirik|zZz | I guess you could argue that most wow users would know command line |
| 15:09.06 | zenzelezz | why? |
| 15:09.14 | Shirik|zZz | come to think about it the majority of my guild knows what "ipconfig" is |
| 15:09.25 | cladhaire | indeed. |
| 15:09.27 | cladhaire | i'm not saying its the norm |
| 15:09.32 | cladhaire | i'm just saying its not this magical rare thing |
| 15:09.35 | cladhaire | quite the contrary |
| 15:10.14 | cladhaire | that's my point =) |
| 15:10.20 | Shirik|zZz | and yes, tortoisesvn does have a ton of features I still haven't figured out >< |
| 15:10.24 | Industrial | I hide myself behind irc. Anyone able to get on here and ask me a question gets help :D |
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| 15:10.32 | Shirik|zZz | whereas command line svn I pretty much know all the way around |
| 15:10.39 | cladhaire | and of all the users who when ace starting using the svn.. i converted a TON of them to commandline, because tort didn't make sense. |
| 15:11.20 | cladhaire | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:11.29 | cladhaire | and you can put those directions up wherever you want |
| 15:11.44 | Industrial | I play wow on windows, and I never touch the commandline except for ipconfig and assorted info tools once in like 4 months. |
| 15:11.51 | cladhaire | and svn update is god. |
| 15:11.51 | cladhaire | =) |
| 15:12.13 | Nom- | wtb a movie to watch |
| 15:12.19 | Shirik|zZz | here: http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/end.php |
| 15:12.20 | Shirik|zZz | movie |
| 15:12.23 | Shirik|zZz | (NSFW, again) |
| 15:12.49 | Shirik|zZz | or if you want a 30 minute long movie |
| 15:12.58 | Shirik|zZz | http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/demented.php (Probably NSFW but it doesn't make any sense anyway) |
| 15:13.12 | Nom- | I'm not at work, so it's all good ^_^ |
| 15:13.14 | Industrial | thats hardly NSFW. well depends on where you work i guess :S |
| 15:13.18 | Shirik|zZz | sad thing is I've probably watched that 10 times |
| 15:13.32 | Industrial | i want a boss that would laugh at that. |
| 15:13.34 | Nom- | ahh seen that one before |
| 15:13.40 | Shirik|zZz | and it's the stupidest piece of crap that has ever been written |
| 15:14.37 | Industrial | thats where the "hokhai sho" comes from :P |
| 15:16.05 | Industrial | hihi vector alien abduction. (look at what the alien is thinking about) http://fc01.deviantart.com/fs9/i/2006/064/3/b/abducted_by_zilla774.jpg |
| 15:27.31 | hugo | what's good addon to move reposition tooltips |
| 15:27.34 | hugo | or even disable em ? ;o |
| 15:27.54 | tedrock | draco suggested this script to me yesterday "/script SetRaidTargetIcon("target", 8); /stopmacro [nomodifier:ctrl] /party Skull is main target" and it gives an error. anyone know why |
| 15:28.33 | zenzelezz | might want to tell us what the error says |
| 15:30.24 | tedrock | sec. i think it says somethign about a symbol close to / but i just got up. gotta open wow |
| 15:31.20 | Shirik|zZz | did you put that all on one line? |
| 15:31.22 | Shirik|zZz | because you can't |
| 15:31.30 | Shirik|zZz | each slash command needs to be on its own line |
| 15:31.48 | Shirik|zZz | well really just the script line needs to be on a separate line, but, it's easier just to say each slash on a new line |
| 15:32.01 | Shirik|zZz | otherwise it will start trying to read /stopmacro as Lua script, which... it's not |
| 15:32.37 | [dRaCo] | uh. thought it was obvious. |
| 15:32.54 | tedrock | yah i tried that but is [mododifier] it's own line? |
| 15:33.00 | Shirik|zZz | nono |
| 15:33.02 | tedrock | ok |
| 15:33.02 | Shirik|zZz | starting at /stopmacro |
| 15:33.02 | [dRaCo] | nope |
| 15:33.08 | Shirik|zZz | that's a new line |
| 15:33.11 | tedrock | yah i tried a few different ways |
| 15:33.13 | [dRaCo] | every / gets its on line |
| 15:33.26 | [dRaCo] | that is, including the command ;) |
| 15:34.47 | tedrock | ok so its 2 lines |
| 15:35.02 | tedrock | and if i use it ctrl click does the same thing as normal click. sets the icon |
| 15:35.06 | tedrock | no error or /party message |
| 15:35.15 | [dRaCo] | 3 lines |
| 15:35.21 | [dRaCo] | /script SetRaidTargetIcon("target", 8); |
| 15:35.26 | [dRaCo] | /stopmacro [nomodifier:ctrl] |
| 15:35.31 | [dRaCo] | /party Skull is main target |
| 15:35.46 | tedrock | awwwsome |
| 15:35.53 | tedrock | i love you draco |
| 15:35.57 | tedrock | wannna make out? |
| 15:36.08 | Shirik|zZz | um |
| 15:36.11 | tedrock | ha |
| 15:36.13 | Shirik|zZz | I'd do one more thing just to make that macro safe |
| 15:36.14 | tedrock | thanks it works |
| 15:36.19 | Shirik|zZz | put a /stopmacro [noexists] |
| 15:36.22 | Shirik|zZz | right at the top |
| 15:36.36 | Shirik|zZz | otherwise it will get pissed off when you try to set an icon to a unit that doesn't exist |
| 15:36.50 | tedrock | oh |
| 15:37.06 | Shirik|zZz | just a little protection that could fix some ugliness down the road |
| 15:37.35 | Shirik|zZz | it would also prevent people from going "there is no skull you noob" |
| 15:37.36 | tedrock | if i did something like /assist [target,focus] how do i make it only assist if my focuses target is harmable |
| 15:37.45 | tedrock | i tried ,harm with no success |
| 15:37.57 | Shirik|zZz | um |
| 15:38.07 | Shirik|zZz | I think you mean /assist [target=focus] ? |
| 15:38.11 | tedrock | yha |
| 15:38.16 | tedrock | i was just roughly typing it |
| 15:38.24 | Shirik|zZz | then /assist [target=focus,harm] |
| 15:38.36 | Shirik|zZz | if you did /assist [target,focus,harm] that won't work like you want it to |
| 15:38.43 | Shirik|zZz | oh wait |
| 15:38.48 | Shirik|zZz | if your focus's target is harmable |
| 15:39.11 | Shirik|zZz | I think you'd have to break that into two lines |
| 15:39.26 | Shirik|zZz | 1: /stopmacro [target=focustarget,harm] |
| 15:39.30 | Shirik|zZz | 2: /assist [target=focus] |
| 15:39.39 | tedrock | this is what i got |
| 15:39.54 | tedrock | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:39.59 | tedrock | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:40.04 | tedrock | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:40.19 | tedrock | except the stop should be alt too |
| 15:40.21 | tedrock | i think |
| 15:40.29 | Shirik|zZz | but you want it to only assist when your focus's target is harmable |
| 15:40.34 | Shirik|zZz | then do |
| 15:40.39 | Shirik|zZz | 1: /focus [modifier:alt] |
| 15:40.44 | Shirik|zZz | 2: /stopmacro [modifier:ctrl] |
| 15:41.07 | Shirik|zZz | er... |
| 15:41.22 | Shirik|zZz | I don't know if you can combine them like this, but try this: |
| 15:41.40 | Shirik|zZz | 2: /stopmacro [modifier:ctrl]; [target=focustarget,noexists]; [target=focustarget,noharm] |
| 15:41.46 | Shirik|zZz | 3: /assist [target=focus] |
| 15:42.28 | Shirik|zZz | if that doesn't work, then line 2 just needs to be broken up into 3 lines |
| 15:42.58 | tedrock | ok what does the noexist and noharm parts do |
| 15:43.19 | Shirik|zZz | that says "stop the macro if unit focustarget does not exist or if focustarget is not harmable" |
| 15:43.25 | Shirik|zZz | focustarget is your focus's target |
| 15:43.32 | tedrock | ahh |
| 15:43.58 | Shirik|zZz | basically... (noexists || noharm) == (harm) |
| 15:44.11 | tedrock | and shouldn't i replace the second modifier with alt as well |
| 15:44.13 | Shirik|zZz | (if you don't know programming, || is 'or' and == is 'equals') |
| 15:44.20 | Shirik|zZz | oops, yeah, sorry |
| 15:44.21 | Shirik|zZz | make that alt |
| 15:44.30 | tedrock | just making sure |
| 15:44.36 | tedrock | it was me that pasted it liek that |
| 15:44.50 | tedrock | no need to say sorry |
| 15:45.08 | Shirik|zZz | now, I'm not sure if you can combine a /stopmacro command like that. If not, you can do |
| 15:45.14 | Shirik|zZz | 2.1: /stopmacro [modifier:ctrl] |
| 15:45.21 | Shirik|zZz | 2.2: /stopmacro [target=focustarget,noexists] |
| 15:45.29 | Shirik|zZz | 2.3: /stopmacro [target=focustarget,noharm] |
| 15:45.32 | Shirik|zZz | er.... with alt again >< |
| 15:45.54 | tedrock | heh |
| 15:46.02 | wereHamster | Shirik|zZz, still not sleeping? |
| 15:46.08 | Shirik|zZz | I should be |
| 15:46.10 | tedrock | wonder how i'm gonna test this |
| 15:46.26 | Shirik|zZz | 10:44:18 » Shirik is now known as Shirik|zZz |
| 15:46.26 | Shirik|zZz | heh |
| 15:46.30 | Shirik|zZz | 2 minutes under an hour ago |
| 15:46.50 | Shirik|zZz | when tedrock's got his problem solved I'll probably head out :P |
| 15:47.28 | Shirik|zZz | ah crap I forgot to write the changelog up |
| 15:47.31 | Shirik|zZz | I guess I'll do that now |
| 15:47.53 | cladhaire | lrn2svn2log.py |
| 15:48.29 | Shirik|zZz | yeah I should probably do something like that >< |
| 15:48.37 | tedrock | seems to work |
| 15:48.41 | Shirik|zZz | in fact, the page I'm editing is editable via svn too >< |
| 15:48.44 | cladhaire | look at built.lua in dongle |
| 15:48.58 | cladhaire | build.lua rather |
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| 15:52.28 | Shirik|zZz | I'll take a look at it when I wake up :) |
| 15:52.33 | Shirik|zZz | tedrock: that's good news |
| 15:58.28 | Shirik|zZz | yeah so I'm about to pass out so I'll head off to bed, see you all in a few hours |
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| 16:40.47 | Seti | Anyone free to give me a bit of lua coding advice? |
| 16:41.15 | cladhaire | depends |
| 16:41.21 | cladhaire | nbest to just ask, rather than asking if you can ask |
| 16:42.00 | Seti | lol |
| 16:42.22 | Seti | Trying to make CastProgress work under WoW 2.0 |
| 16:42.31 | Seti | Casting bar mod.. |
| 16:43.13 | Seti | I'm getting this error atm: |
| 16:43.23 | Seti | Date: 2007-04-07 17:32:53 |
| 16:43.40 | Seti | ID: 51 |
| 16:43.40 | Seti | Error occured in: Global |
| 16:43.40 | Seti | Count: 1 |
| 16:43.40 | Seti | Message: ..\AddOns\CastProgress\CastProgress.lua line 166: |
| 16:43.40 | Seti | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:43.41 | Seti | Debug: |
| 16:43.41 | Seti | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:43.41 | Seti | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:43.41 | Seti | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:43.41 | zenzelezz | ... |
| 16:43.41 | Seti | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:43.41 | cladhaire | please stop. |
| 16:43.45 | cladhaire | use pastey.net |
| 16:43.47 | cladhaire | as listed in the topic |
| 16:43.51 | cladhaire | don't copy and paste your errors here. |
| 16:43.58 | Seti | ok sorry |
| 16:44.07 | cladhaire | and if you dont' post the relevant code, i'm not going hunting to find it |
| 16:44.11 | cladhaire | so look at line 166 on that file |
| 16:44.16 | cladhaire | find the relevant function and any others |
| 16:44.19 | cladhaire | and post them |
| 16:44.23 | Seti | gimme a mo.. |
| 16:49.09 | Jumpee | Never having used pastey.net does the code pasted there get purged automatically or does it just stay there? |
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| 16:50.46 | cladhaire | it persists. |
| 16:51.08 | Seti | http://wowi.pastey.net/10929 |
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| 16:52.39 | Seti | If you want the full script as is I'll put that there too |
| 16:53.25 | Seti | it's butt ugly imo and tbh I'm thinking of giving up on it |
| 16:53.41 | Seti | The code that is |
| 16:54.08 | cladhaire | well the error is because .castTime is set to arg1 |
| 16:54.10 | cladhaire | arg1 is "playder" |
| 16:54.12 | cladhaire | "player" |
| 16:54.15 | cladhaire | which is a string, not a number |
| 16:54.20 | Seti | lol |
| 16:54.20 | cladhaire | as your code already states. |
| 16:54.34 | Seti | damn my typing |
| 16:55.17 | Seti | ok.. sorry misread.. |
| 16:55.57 | Jumpee | I'm just learning this stuff, but I don't see a line #166 there. |
| 16:56.09 | Seti | it's noted there... |
| 16:56.16 | Seti | if only half the script.. |
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| 16:56.21 | Jumpee | ok |
| 16:56.23 | cladhaire | it doesn't matter |
| 16:56.27 | cladhaire | i gave you the error =) |
| 16:56.33 | cladhaire | its doing just what you've told it to. |
| 16:58.47 | Seti | ah.. forgive me for being dumb.. just learning atm. What can I do to correct it? |
| 16:59.09 | cladhaire | i have no idea what you're trying to do |
| 16:59.24 | Seti | I've done the google thing and wowwiki thing and cant' seem to work out how.. |
| 16:59.30 | cladhaire | you don't want arg1, i'm sure of that |
| 16:59.43 | Seti | ok |
| 16:59.59 | Seti | basically it's a castbar replacement mod.. |
| 17:00.26 | Seti | it shows but doesn't want to play ball when you start casting |
| 17:01.02 | cladhaire | well, you can't use the UNIT_SPELLCAST_START event |
| 17:01.06 | cladhaire | the events were changed in 2.0 |
| 17:01.08 | cladhaire | quite drastically |
| 17:01.15 | Seti | ok. |
| 17:01.25 | cladhaire | you need to grok http://www.wowwiki.com/Events/U |
| 17:01.31 | cladhaire | and its not just going to be a simple replacement |
| 17:02.53 | cladhaire | perhaps you should look at another mod that does thisalready |
| 17:02.57 | cladhaire | and learn how its done there. |
| 17:03.08 | cladhaire | cause the wiki and the forums are hoyur best source of information |
| 17:03.22 | Jumpee | take a look at eCastingBar |
| 17:03.58 | Seti | That's what I've been doing.. eCastingBar & Metahud I've been looking at |
| 17:04.14 | Jumpee | don't they meet your needs? |
| 17:04.54 | Seti | to a point |
| 17:05.47 | Seti | http://uifiles.worldofwar.net/upload/pics/1137958846castprogress1.jpg is what I'm after |
| 17:06.35 | Seti | http://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=1540 is the mod |
| 17:07.35 | Jumpee | Does CastProgress no longer work, with changing the .toc interface number? |
| 17:07.48 | cladhaire | if it uses the old events, it won't. |
| 17:07.59 | Seti | aye it uses the old events |
| 17:08.03 | Jumpee | ok |
| 17:08.44 | Jumpee | Luckily, none of my mods have never been affected by UI changes |
| 17:08.51 | Jumpee | bad grammar |
| 17:09.34 | Seti | Most of what I've done is just try to update the event also taken out the addon menu as it was easier than correcting it |
| 17:09.41 | Seti | *events |
| 17:11.16 | Jumpee | I haven't looked at the events, is it the args that changed or the actual events? |
| 17:12.27 | Seti | Not sure but the original event was SPELLCAST_START |
| 17:13.12 | Seti | So I've updated that and the others.. |
| 17:14.53 | kahdgarxi | Morning. |
| 17:15.18 | kahdgarxi | Anyone happen to know of an addont for monitoring debuffs on a target? |
| 17:15.23 | Jumpee | Good morning to you kahdgarxi |
| 17:15.31 | kahdgarxi | I.E. Yell at me when I forget to put VT back up. |
| 17:15.34 | kahdgarxi | Thanks Jumpee :) |
| 17:17.21 | kahdgarxi | No dice? :( |
| 17:17.56 | Jumpee | Playing a Shaman I have no idea what VT means, but have you searched the addon sites? |
| 17:18.31 | kahdgarxi | Vampiric Touch. |
| 17:18.44 | Jumpee | ahhh, Warlock? |
| 17:18.51 | kahdgarxi | Shadow Priest >_> |
| 17:18.58 | Jumpee | dumb me. |
| 17:18.58 | kahdgarxi | Although the same thing would be beneficial for warlocks. |
| 17:19.18 | Jumpee | anyway, have you looked at the mod sites? |
| 17:19.25 | kahdgarxi | I'll have to look again. |
| 17:20.18 | Jumpee | Sometimes addon are put into the wrong categories, so look everywhere. |
| 17:21.11 | Jumpee | And some are named in a manner that hides their purpose, so don't just search on a name, browse the various sections |
| 17:22.48 | Jumpee | I sure wish I had taken typing in school. |
| 17:22.57 | kahdgarxi | Heh. |
| 17:23.21 | kahdgarxi | I got all the practice I needed typing papers for school once a lame-o typing program taught me finger positioning. |
| 17:24.09 | Jumpee | It might help me if the keyboard were at the right height |
| 17:24.22 | kahdgarxi | Yeah, that makes a huge difference. |
| 17:24.44 | kahdgarxi | Although, it's not too much of a problem at any height if you hold your arms up so you're not resting your wrists on the keyboard. |
| 17:24.45 | Jumpee | and if my fingers weren't so fumbly. lol |
| 17:25.24 | kahdgarxi | Heheheh. |
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| 17:37.49 | Hondow | Good morning , Im thinking of respeccing my warrior fury anyone have a good build I want to pvp in arenas (3v3 5v5) and Solo grind pve |
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| 17:38.00 | Hondow | Anyone know a good spec |
| 17:40.20 | Hondow | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=LAM0bhbZE0zVgxRmzmoc |
| 17:41.11 | Seti | exit |
| 17:41.13 | Seti | oops |
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| 18:17.45 | hugo | is there some threat formula somewhere ? ;o |
| 18:17.45 | hugo | how much agro generate heal, melee dmg etc ;o |
| 18:18.00 | cladhaire | wowwiki |
| 18:18.08 | cladhaire | as best as there is. |
| 18:36.19 | Cide | "reverse engineer" the threat meter addon :) |
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| 19:47.52 | Industrial | At line 10 ad 37, these button nubers are changing all the time (for example if I want some more between the dd and heals i have to edit ALL the moves to make them work again..) How could i do it better? http://pastey.net/10942 |
| 19:49.04 | Industrial | hm guess i could stick the buttons in a table and name/call them by their function.. b['dd1'] or something.. but thats yet another table.. |
| 19:49.12 | Industrial | better then nothing i guess |
| 19:49.27 | cladhaire | i have no idea what you're asking, tbh |
| 19:50.11 | sysrage | how do people put smiley faces and hearts in chat? using alt-keypad i'm only seeing the basic ascii chars |
| 19:51.08 | Industrial | cladhaire: i have this whole list of buttons that are getting mvoed around |
| 19:51.11 | sysrage | or better question i guess is what font is the default one? |
| 19:51.29 | cladhaire | open word, go to special characters, insert heart, copy, pastye |
| 19:51.33 | cladhaire | is an easy way to do it |
| 19:52.44 | Industrial | cladhaire: what if i want some buttons in between the dd spells and the heals (that will then start with button12 and 13).. ill have to edit all of that below it to move the button numbers up |
| 19:53.03 | cladhaire | i dont have much time to look at it in depth, i'm sorry |
| 19:53.07 | Industrial | np |
| 19:53.15 | sysrage | that's why i'm wondering what font.. copy/paste doesn't work with Arial. at least from charmap |
| 19:53.20 | cladhaire | hrm |
| 19:53.21 | cladhaire | *shrug* |
| 19:54.40 | Industrial | arent special characters \123 or something in wow? (at least i see that in the translations) |
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| 19:57.38 | Industrial | guess ill write a macro or something for it :P |
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| 21:31.48 | Bleeter | Cairenn|afk: it's official http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=20070407135734.GB2776%40pidgin.im&forum_name=gaim-i18n |
| 21:32.10 | Bleeter | Cairenn|afk: so I can now tell you the gaim is being renamed to pidgin, and we'll be releasing a 2.0 final sometime hopefully next week |
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| 21:37.32 | cladhaire | libpurple ftw |
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| 21:38.13 | Bleeter | aye, now hopefully AOL will fuck off outta our lives forever |
| 21:39.56 | Bleeter | we'll be able to work on pidgin 3.0, which'll have voice and video. might even be good enough so everyone can ditch their dodgy vent/TS servers and start using Jabber stuff instead ;) |
| 21:39.57 | cladhaire | its rough dealing with them |
| 21:40.10 | cladhaire | I had some issues initially when working on tnt, using the old toc protocol. |
| 21:40.14 | cladhaire | using their base code =/ |
| 21:40.19 | Bleeter | ergh |
| 21:40.23 | Bleeter | ~comfort cladhaire |
| 21:40.28 | purl | There, there, cladhaire. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 21:40.54 | cladhaire | toc sucked by the way |
| 21:41.05 | cladhaire | but who doesn't want to use AIM in an interactive emacs buffer? =) |
| 21:41.19 | Bleeter | oh yeah.. there was much rejoicing when we got around to totally ditching toc for oscar |
| 21:41.39 | cladhaire | I think one of our devs is working on oscar, hopefully using "finch" now =) |
| 21:41.44 | Bleeter | hehe, well there's now giam-text... though 'course prolly wouldn't compile on a mac or some foo |
| 21:41.59 | Bleeter | at least natively |
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| 21:48.50 | Shadowed | Aren't blue tracker or sites that read from the armory against the ToS, due to the part about "Use bots or other automated techniques to collect information" for WoW/Blizzard sites? |
| 21:49.54 | Bleeter | that could probably be argued, but I'm unaware of Blizzard trying to enforce that rule. Tho I'm fairly nub and maybe I've just missed it ;) |
| 21:56.41 | Shadowed | http://worldofwarcraft.com/legal/termsofuse.html It's #6 under B |
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| 22:27.37 | Bleeter | on the upside of the legal stuff with AOL being settled, we (pidgin devs) can get around to doing voice/video foo |
| 22:43.21 | Shadowed | Why'd you guys settle on pidgin for the name anyway? |
| 22:47.39 | Bleeter | pidgin n : an artificial language used for trade between speakers of different languages |
| 22:47.51 | Bleeter | as a multi-protocol IM client, it kind of fits ;) |
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| 23:01.21 | Biffke | does anyone know anything about coding for wow? |
| 23:01.37 | Fin | that's a very open ended question :) |
| 23:01.56 | Bleeter | I deny everything! (until I have, at minimum, legal representation) :P |
| 23:02.03 | Fin | actually, I guess it's not, but I'm sure you didn't expect a "yes" or "no" answer :) |
| 23:03.18 | pastamancer | I'm sure someone knows something about coding for wow, so yes. |
| 23:05.42 | Fin | Biffke: this might help? http://www.wowwiki.com/UI_Beginners_Guide |
| 23:06.52 | Biffke | i know but i poste on the offcial server but none responds :p |
| 23:07.06 | Biffke | i made well tried a starting addon but the event isnt launching |
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| 23:16.05 | Biffke | tought blizzard wa support :p |
| 23:18.57 | Industrial | Bleeter: lol. |
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