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| 00:04.25 | TC_Working | is it working Corrodias? |
| 00:05.25 | Corrodias | not enough talent points |
| 00:06.15 | TC_Working | you just need to level up |
| 00:06.55 | Corrodias | i'm still working toward Nature's Swiftness |
| 00:07.19 | TC_Working | guys are kinda fast as it is.... |
| 00:07.37 | Corrodias | it's actually quite hard to think of suggestive terms when i've never played a shaman at all |
| 00:08.22 | TC_Working | stuff like, your trying to lengthin your stamina during encounters? |
| 00:08.33 | TC_Working | you know, it would work better if i could spell |
| 00:11.00 | Corrodias | my druid is more appropriate, anyway. i'm investing in Regrowth, Nature's Swiftness, Intensity, Subtlety, Gift of Nature, Natural Perfection, Empowered Touch and Nurturing Instinct (for the ladies), Feral Instinct, and Feral Swiftness |
| 00:11.50 | TC_Working | somehow Empowered Touch reminds me of jackson |
| 00:12.21 | Corrodias | i don't have enough points for Moonwalking |
| 00:12.57 | TC_Working | and they dont quite have a shapeshift form for Black -> White |
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| 00:24.52 | hugo | anyone know what is this error |
| 00:25.04 | hugo | table index is nill in secure template lua ? |
| 00:34.26 | Tem | you need to be more specific than that if you expect an answer |
| 00:34.26 | Tem | unfortunately, tem doesn't have time to stay and help |
| 00:34.27 | Tem | tem is already late |
| 00:34.27 | Tem | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:39.39 | hugo | ;] |
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| 00:44.34 | foxlit | hugo: get that periodically on joining groups and stuff |
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| 00:44.59 | foxlit | I'm sure it's one of the addon's I'm running; just never had the time to dig into it |
| 00:45.10 | foxlit | s/n's/ns/ |
| 00:46.59 | hugo | yeah |
| 00:47.03 | hugo | like when join raid |
| 00:47.05 | hugo | i get it |
| 00:47.44 | hugo | but i wasnt untill i updated all addons yestarday |
| 00:47.45 | hugo | ;d |
| 00:48.19 | foxlit | Running grid? |
| 00:48.27 | hugo | yeah |
| 00:48.42 | cladhaire | anyone have a good mage 60-70 leveling spec? |
| 00:48.44 | cladhaire | frost |
| 00:48.55 | hugo | fire ;p |
| 00:48.59 | foxlit | frost |
| 00:49.05 | foxlit | Avoids damage, tbh. |
| 00:49.10 | cladhaire | i want the spec =) |
| 00:49.14 | cladhaire | i.e. how much into arcane, etc. :P |
| 00:49.17 | hugo | kill before it gets to u, fire |
| 00:49.19 | hugo | ;o |
| 00:49.23 | cladhaire | of a frost leveling build. |
| 00:49.31 | foxlit | level? |
| 00:49.38 | cladhaire | 60 |
| 00:50.04 | hugo | dunno really bout leveling, but i know that our pve raid mages r all fire with varous mix of arcane/fire fire/arcane and 0are frost |
| 00:50.22 | cladhaire | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=obxVc0bZZVVGcRfxoVot |
| 00:50.23 | cladhaire | ? |
| 00:50.46 | foxlit | drop imp blizzard |
| 00:51.21 | hugo | i can paste u 4 build from forums but 0are frost :Op |
| 00:51.29 | foxlit | imp cs, imp ae, arcane subtlety are optional |
| 00:52.10 | foxlit | Mobs never live long enough to get a lot out of winter's chill while soloing |
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| 00:53.25 | TheStig | Guys, is there any way to target the target of target with the target field of a macro? That way my Paladin's righteous defence would activate on whoever the monster is focusing on? |
| 00:53.46 | foxlit | Something more like http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=R0xVZZVAGIofxs0ot |
| 00:54.07 | Karrion|Meeting | TheStig: [target=targettarget] |
| 00:54.23 | TheStig | thanks |
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| 01:08.16 | Nom- | omg it's the stig! |
| 01:11.51 | Bleeter | Stig O' Tracy? |
| 01:12.17 | Bleeter | head nailed to the floor by Dinsdale Piranha? |
| 01:15.03 | Nom- | You don't know about The Stig? |
| 01:15.07 | Nom- | lern2watchtopgear |
| 01:15.08 | Nom- | :) |
| 01:16.23 | Bleeter | You don't know about Dinsdale Piranha?! |
| 01:16.29 | Bleeter | l2montypythonffs |
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| 01:19.51 | Nom- | oh yeah, TheStig |
| 01:19.59 | Nom- | I set one of those macros up, works awesome :) |
| 01:20.14 | Nom- | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:20.25 | Nom- | Finally I have a taunt button! :D |
| 01:20.44 | Nom- | That should be the damn default behavious |
| 01:20.50 | Nom- | behaviour even |
| 01:26.02 | Bejitt | anyone know what addon adds the stat conversions like in this pic http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/full7585.jpg |
| 01:26.07 | Bejitt | that's hawt :o |
| 01:26.10 | Kaso | blizzard: "look see, its not just a taunt clone!" |
| 01:26.30 | Kaso | Ratings buster Bejitt |
| 01:26.33 | TheStig | Nom-: i know seriously |
| 01:26.34 | Bejitt | ahh |
| 01:26.34 | Kaso | but mine is better :> |
| 01:26.39 | Bejitt | o.O |
| 01:26.52 | Bejitt | do tell |
| 01:27.13 | Kaso | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6505-JTips.html |
| 01:27.18 | Kaso | <3 |
| 01:27.35 | Bejitt | eh |
| 01:27.40 | Bejitt | i like the side-by-side look |
| 01:27.50 | Bejitt | ratings are 'confusing', but still nice to see |
| 01:27.58 | Kaso | pssh! |
| 01:28.06 | Kaso | unessasary imo :> |
| 01:28.13 | Bejitt | hm |
| 01:28.30 | Bejitt | whatever mod did that to the pic i linked also showed the crit from agility |
| 01:29.23 | Kaso | I consided that but where do you draw the line, the armor? the dodge? what about bonuss from wep skill and defense etc |
| 01:29.33 | Kaso | possible for tooltips to get too cluttered i think |
| 01:29.34 | Bejitt | oh they just added that to ratingbuster |
| 01:29.51 | Bejitt | yea true |
| 01:30.06 | Bejitt | user-chosen? ;x |
| 01:32.29 | Gnarfoz | user-chosen |
| 01:32.54 | Gnarfoz | you can decide what stat gets converted to what for each stat |
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| 01:56.48 | Kaso | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:56.59 | Kaso | (quote from in game support forum) |
| 01:57.22 | Kaso | people never want to accept the fact that they just mucked up, they always have to blame someone else dont they! |
| 01:57.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | was gonna say that was less intelligible than your usual way of typing |
| 01:57.53 | Kaso | Server lag? Accidently moved his mouse down to the bottom right and clicked accept |
| 01:58.17 | Kaso | I wouldnt choose the wrong ring :> |
| 01:59.44 | cladhaire | i did it |
| 01:59.47 | cladhaire | because it was very unclear. |
| 01:59.48 | cladhaire | *shrug* |
| 01:59.50 | cladhaire | my mistake |
| 01:59.53 | cladhaire | but i got it restored |
| 02:00.13 | Kaso | Like with the AQ ring, i double triple and quadrople check |
| 02:00.16 | Kaso | im parinoid |
| 02:01.23 | Kaso | also i cant spell very well tonight apparently |
| 02:01.23 | Shirik | I've done it before |
| 02:01.31 | Shirik | But that was because instead of hovering over it, I accidentally hit my ventrilo button to talk |
| 02:01.34 | Shirik | which apparently buys the item |
| 02:01.37 | Shirik | which sucked |
| 02:01.47 | Shirik | but GMs were kind enough to restore my marks (it was a PvP item) |
| 02:01.55 | Shirik | do note, though, that I created a ticket about 30 seconds later |
| 02:03.09 | Kaso | From the looks of things this is a warrior who's regretted taking the tank ring and now wants the pewpew ring |
| 02:05.28 | Shirik | heh |
| 02:05.36 | Shirik | and that's a case of "sucks to be you" |
| 02:10.21 | cladhaire | What flight paths do Alliance need to get from Shattrath to Honor Hold? |
| 02:10.36 | Shirik | I'm logging in right now I can tell you |
| 02:10.45 | cladhaire | thanks friend |
| 02:11.41 | Bleeter | there's two paths |
| 02:12.02 | Shirik | closest is HH->Allerian Stronghold->Shattrath |
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| 02:12.09 | Bleeter | quickest way is via allerian, aye |
| 02:12.11 | Shirik | Alternative is HH->Temple of Tel'Hamat->Shattrath |
| 02:12.19 | Shirik | er |
| 02:12.25 | Shirik | HH->Temple->Telredor->Shattrath |
| 02:12.30 | Bleeter | yup |
| 02:19.48 | cladhaire | Where is Allerian, Temple adn Telredor? |
| 02:19.51 | cladhaire | if you dont mind my asking |
| 02:19.54 | cladhaire | cause i haven't done this =) |
| 02:20.09 | Shirik | allerian: terrokar |
| 02:20.18 | Shirik | temple: very northwest HFP |
| 02:20.23 | cladhaire | ok |
| 02:21.00 | Shirik | telredor: Zangarmarsh |
| 02:21.00 | cladhaire | north of the BElf town |
| 02:21.00 | cladhaire | k.. the one where the flying guards always kill me |
| 02:21.00 | Shirik | hehe |
| 02:21.01 | cladhaire | i have to convert everything from Horde to alliance =) |
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| 02:27.50 | Bleeter | cladhaire: there's a handy program I use out of game, to check the maps and stuff, called 'cartographe' (it's french, but has enUS language capabilities). it has FP's and stuff, quite handy |
| 02:28.10 | cladhaire | nice |
| 02:28.16 | cladhaire | whre can i find it? |
| 02:28.21 | Bleeter | standalone, reads in the wow maps and overlays it's own db of mobs/fps over the top |
| 02:28.23 | cladhaire | i know all the horde stuff, heh |
| 02:28.24 | Bleeter | google! :P |
| 02:28.27 | Bleeter | erm |
| 02:28.27 | Bleeter | ang on |
| 02:28.45 | Bleeter | http://tixu.scribe.free.fr/indexen.php |
| 02:29.01 | Bleeter | *only* downside is, it doesn't do the 'tloc' thing |
| 02:29.33 | cladhaire | w32 only? |
| 02:29.46 | Bleeter | if there's some standalone program that'd read eg metamap recorded info and did the same as cartographe, i'd love to hear about it :) |
| 02:29.56 | Bleeter | yar, runs under wine happily enough tho |
| 02:30.49 | cladhaire | mac |
| 02:30.49 | cladhaire | heh |
| 02:31.30 | Bleeter | install wine and be happy |
| 02:31.41 | Bleeter | or wait for me to pull my finger out and write a similar tool in QT ;) |
| 02:32.24 | cladhaire | heh |
| 02:32.27 | cladhaire | wine on mac os x is a bad idea |
| 02:32.30 | cladhaire | ;-) |
| 02:33.20 | Bleeter | yar |
| 02:33.36 | Bleeter | mate of mine's destroyed 3 mac keyboards with various wine drinking accidents |
| 02:33.44 | Bleeter | http://darwine.opendarwin.org/ |
| 02:34.07 | cladhaire | i know you can do it |
| 02:34.11 | cladhaire | that doesn't mean its a good idea =) |
| 02:34.24 | Nom- | *drool* |
| 02:34.40 | Nom- | Apple is shipping a dual-quad-core system |
| 02:35.01 | cladhaire | hehe |
| 02:35.02 | Nom- | http://www.apple.com/macpro/ |
| 02:35.03 | cladhaire | its secks |
| 02:36.15 | Bleeter | i'd heard it was badly bottlenecked out of the box across the disks |
| 02:36.26 | Bleeter | ie, buy a 3rd party controller |
| 02:36.35 | Nom- | $2500 base price |
| 02:36.41 | Nom- | That's pretty damn good |
| 02:36.58 | Bleeter | doesn't suprise me though, no consumer computer system does scaling multi-core real well |
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| 02:37.49 | Nom- | lol that's not really a consumer system |
| 02:37.54 | Nom- | They're selling it as a Workstation |
| 02:38.12 | Nom- | But seriously...i mean you couldn't run WinXP on it for instance |
| 02:38.15 | TheStig | why? |
| 02:38.24 | Nom- | Because XP won't run on 8 cores :) |
| 02:38.32 | TheStig | it won't? |
| 02:38.43 | Nom- | It's limited to 4 iirc |
| 02:38.45 | Nom- | or even 2 |
| 02:38.49 | TheStig | that's stupid |
| 02:38.54 | Corrodias | i'm getting sick of the maiden fucking us in the eyes |
| 02:38.59 | Corrodias | so to speak |
| 02:39.05 | Nom- | You'd need to run Windows 2003 Server for 8 cores |
| 02:39.09 | Bleeter | the lack of any IO specs on their page says quite a lot, as does their comment tucked away to go buy some fibrechan gear if you want decent IO |
| 02:39.36 | Bleeter | yar, well intel can't get above 4 CPU units... so I'm not suprised :P |
| 02:39.50 | Bleeter | er.. gowd, cpu units?! /shoots self |
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| 02:41.49 | Nom- | IIRC it followed the same lines as Windows 2000 |
| 02:42.08 | Nom- | Professional = 4 cores, Server = 8 Cores, Advanced Server = 16 Cores |
| 02:42.09 | Nom- | etc. |
| 02:43.10 | MentalPower | I thought you could still install WinXP on it, it would just not use more than two cores |
| 02:44.56 | Nom- | nope |
| 02:45.01 | Nom- | Won't work at all |
| 02:45.33 | TheStig | why not? |
| 02:45.54 | TheStig | seems a little silly |
| 02:48.09 | Corrodias | our tank needs too much healing |
| 02:48.19 | Corrodias | that is, we have to heal him within 10 seconds of him engaging the Maiden |
| 02:48.26 | Corrodias | and then somebody pulls aggro and boom, it's over |
| 02:49.19 | Nom- | TheStig: To force you to buy the bigger version if your system requires it, that's why... |
| 02:49.32 | Nom- | errr, Corrodias |
| 02:49.41 | Nom- | You need to heal someone that quick...he's not holding aggro fast enough |
| 02:49.55 | Nom- | Just get everyone to stack up HoT's |
| 02:50.02 | Nom- | That should keep him OK for a few more seconds |
| 02:50.12 | Corrodias | yeah |
| 02:50.32 | Nom- | TBH though, a bubble should give more than enough time for him to get aggro |
| 02:50.35 | Corrodias | we tried, but she's killing the people who cast them before combat began |
| 02:50.43 | Corrodias | we don't have paladins |
| 02:50.50 | Nom- | Priest bubble |
| 02:50.53 | Shadowed | Overheals don't cause extra threat last I heard actually, so just making sure they spread out heals more should be fine |
| 02:51.03 | Nom- | Exactly, Shadowed |
| 02:51.04 | Corrodias | it's actually a tree that's usually getting aggro |
| 02:51.08 | Shadowed | Sounds more like your MT doesn't have very good gear if you need to heal him that quickly |
| 02:51.27 | Nom- | Corrodias: Get your priests dropping renews then...trees generate heaps of healing threat |
| 02:51.29 | Corrodias | it's not because the maiden hits like a bitch |
| 02:51.30 | Shadowed | Or, you have people using large heals without the sub talent right into the fight |
| 02:51.44 | Shadowed | Whats your MT's HP? |
| 02:51.45 | Nom- | Maiden doesn't hit that hard |
| 02:52.06 | Nom- | The real problem with maiden is the silencing aura |
| 02:52.07 | Shadowed | i was able to tank her in decent mainly level 60 purples without much issue right at the start |
| 02:52.33 | Corrodias | fine, we suck |
| 02:52.34 | Corrodias | 14k |
| 02:52.43 | Shadowed | lesse |
| 02:53.29 | Shadowed | she hits for around 1.5kish if i remember right, so you should be able to last 5-7s before you need to start dropping heals, and he should be able to get his high enough that you aren't taking aggro |
| 02:53.54 | Corrodias | i'm pretty sure she's hitting him harder than that |
| 02:54.27 | Nom- | How much armor, defense ? |
| 02:54.33 | Shadowed | he shouldn't need to be healed within 5 seconds unless she's hitting him for like 2.5k-3k |
| 02:55.30 | Corrodias | between 12k and 13k armor, i think. |
| 02:55.51 | Shadowed | Is he trying to spam HS right at the start? he could be rage starving himself |
| 02:56.00 | Nom- | Should be enough armor, as long as he's crit immune and has 15%+ on parry/dodge, there's no reason for him to be hit so hard |
| 02:56.52 | Corrodias | we got her down 25% once, but we couldn't keep healing him through repentance. it's too random to be able to just run in right before it hits. |
| 02:57.13 | Shadowed | is he prot? |
| 02:57.18 | Corrodias | i believe so |
| 02:57.18 | cladhaire | how much for unholy weapon |
| 02:57.19 | cladhaire | my mats |
| 02:57.26 | cladhaire | just trying to skill up enchanting. |
| 02:58.06 | Nom- | Corrodias: Repentance isn't that random, stacking up reviews and druid HoT's and making sure the tank is at full should be MORE than enough |
| 02:58.18 | Nom- | s/reviews/renews/ |
| 02:58.44 | Shadowed | cladhaire: You'll have trouble finding people who want to buy it |
| 02:58.49 | Nom- | If you're really worried, get the tank to drag her over to one of your healers right after he's out of repentance |
| 02:58.51 | cladhaire | i just want to give the shit away |
| 02:58.51 | cladhaire | =/ |
| 02:58.58 | cladhaire | i've been at 297 enchanting for SOOO long. |
| 02:59.08 | Shadowed | You sure you can't find something else to level enchanting with? |
| 02:59.09 | Nom- | Our raid did that for 2 weeks before I joined with my pally |
| 02:59.20 | cladhaire | Shadowed: I have tons of LBS |
| 02:59.24 | Corrodias | yeah, well, maybe we're just really bad at it |
| 02:59.25 | cladhaire | I don't have ANY greater eternal essence |
| 02:59.28 | cladhaire | that's eally the issue. |
| 02:59.30 | Shadowed | ah |
| 02:59.31 | cladhaire | http://www.wowhead.com/?spells=11.333#0MVz |
| 02:59.39 | Corrodias | i've had plenty of WoW for one day |
| 03:00.07 | Shadowed | Yeah... |
| 03:00.10 | Shadowed | you're kind of screwed i guess |
| 03:00.17 | cladhaire | yep |
| 03:00.17 | Nom- | Corrodias: It does take some practice, but it's one of the easiest bosses once you've got it down |
| 03:00.20 | cladhaire | i'll finance it |
| 03:00.26 | Shadowed | Unless maybe Enchant Chest - Major mana? |
| 03:00.28 | Corrodias | yeah... well, we're fucked, then |
| 03:00.29 | cladhaire | i mean its only 8g or so for 4 essence of undeath |
| 03:00.36 | cladhaire | Shadowed: needs GEE |
| 03:00.41 | Shadowed | ahh |
| 03:00.42 | cladhaire | Shadowed: I have 0.. and they run 10g each |
| 03:01.00 | Shadowed | crazy |
| 03:01.05 | cladhaire | On the other hand, I have 37 LBS, and essence of undeath is only 2g each |
| 03:01.45 | Shadowed | Maybe you could find a low level who wants it for fun! |
| 03:01.54 | Corrodias | the others managed attumen yesterday (and i'm starting to wonder how) |
| 03:01.54 | cladhaire | yeah i guess thats my best bet |
| 03:02.05 | Corrodias | so i get to come today and wipe on the maiden 5 times |
| 03:02.08 | Shadowed | "oooo glowly I WANT" |
| 03:02.22 | Corrodias | i have to vent just a little. i'm done. |
| 03:04.17 | Corrodias | bigwigs can only predict a repentance with a margin of error of 10 seconds either way |
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| 03:04.36 | Corrodias | isn't it a little hard to HoT somebody when your stuff doesn't even -last- much longer than that? |
| 03:05.13 | Corrodias | you can't just keep casting them, can you? mana has to become an issue at some point |
| 03:06.35 | Corrodias | i can't speak for what the tanking warrior was doing. i don't even know anything about warriors. i'd have liked to see what i could do as a druid, but i know they must have some skills that compensate for their lower armor |
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| 03:08.25 | Corrodias | we still had trouble with the panther boss after months of ZG |
| 03:09.25 | Shadowed | Druids have high armor and usually high dodge, but they have no parry or shield block |
| 03:10.22 | Nom- | yah and shield block is what generally makes them better to tank high end content |
| 03:10.27 | Corrodias | my dodge is about equal to his parry + dodge. i don't know what block can do. |
| 03:10.34 | Corrodias | he said he couldn't tell me how much he can block. |
| 03:10.40 | clad|sleep | night all |
| 03:10.47 | Nom- | Block mitigates crushing blows |
| 03:10.47 | Shirik | night |
| 03:10.53 | Nom- | Which druids get hit by all the time |
| 03:11.03 | Corrodias | i haven't heard about this effect |
| 03:11.08 | Nom- | Basically an attack can be a normal, crushing or block |
| 03:11.23 | Nom- | block and crushing are mutually exclusive....you can't partially block a crushing blow |
| 03:11.42 | Nom- | Let's say the creature hits you with a crushing blow |
| 03:11.46 | Nom- | You either: |
| 03:11.56 | Shadowed | Whats your dodge at? |
| 03:11.57 | Nom- | a) Take the damage, which is close to the effect of a crit. |
| 03:11.58 | Corrodias | that is not how i understand the combat system to work |
| 03:12.10 | Nom- | b) Block the attack, making it a normal attack instead, and blocking some of the normal damage |
| 03:12.35 | Corrodias | that is, from what i understand, block isn't supposed to reduce the crush % but rather the normal hit % |
| 03:12.45 | Corrodias | (chance to be %, not damage %) |
| 03:12.53 | Corrodias | Shadowed: about 30% with buffs |
| 03:13.50 | Nom- | it does Corrodias |
| 03:13.58 | Nom- | Except if you block a crushing blow, it's no longer a crushing blow |
| 03:14.04 | Corrodias | so crushing blow is the last item on the "table"? |
| 03:14.04 | Nom- | They're mutually exclusive |
| 03:14.38 | Nom- | http://www.wowwiki.com/Crushing_Blow |
| 03:14.52 | Nom- | The warrior ability Shield Block increases your blockrate by 75%, removing crushing blows from the parry/dodge/miss/crit/crushing-blow/block table that occurs when an opponent attacks, and making you more or less "immune" to both crushing blows and critical hits in a PvE environment. This is because an attack that is blocked (as with a shield) cannot be a crushing blow or a critical hit -- the three are mutually-exclusive attack results. |
| 03:15.12 | Corrodias | that's not actually true unless your miss + dodge + parry is at least 25% |
| 03:15.27 | Nom- | yeah but the point is |
| 03:15.33 | Nom- | if you block an attack, it can't be crushing or crit |
| 03:15.52 | Corrodias | if you're crit, it can't be blocked |
| 03:15.52 | Nom- | In the same way, the paladin talent Redoubt along with the Holy Shield ability increases the blockrate by 60% (30% each), allowing for period of immunity against crushing blows, assuming dodge + parry + missrate + base block skill is at least 40%, which it will be for anyone wearing normal tank gear. |
| 03:16.11 | Nom- | It should also be noted that increasing your chance to block does not lower your chance to receive a crushing blow, unless your total avoidance is high enough to take away any chance of receiving a normal hit (this is why Shield Block prevents crushing blows). |
| 03:16.33 | Corrodias | "Shield Block is a 10 Rage skill that increases a warrior's block rate by 75% for 1 hit or 5 seconds, which ever comes first." |
| 03:16.49 | Corrodias | every 5 seconds he will presumably block 1 hit |
| 03:17.31 | Corrodias | sorry, 2 hits if improved |
| 03:17.37 | Nom- | a prot warrior will have improved |
| 03:18.07 | Nom- | It's a good skill, on normal hitting mobs, you'll keep that up most of the time |
| 03:18.53 | Nom- | The paladin one is more useful, but only increases block by 30% |
| 03:19.05 | Nom- | unlike the warrior version, the paladin version also generates more threat on blocks |
| 03:19.50 | Nom- | most protection warriors are going to have 490 defense, which is crit immune, plus 5% to miss. Then there's 15% parry, dodge, and 30% block (generally) |
| 03:20.00 | Nom- | So base rate, you've got 65% avoidance |
| 03:20.55 | Corrodias | yeah, so he's better for it |
| 03:21.08 | Nom- | depends on the warrior tho...some won't have block that high :) |
| 03:21.39 | Nom- | my pally has something like 12%, 10%, 10% base |
| 03:21.50 | Nom- | so that's only 37% base avoidance :( |
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| 03:22.17 | Nom- | Not bad though...tanking in Karazhan i rarely ever get a crushing |
| 03:22.38 | Nom- | redoubt procs often, and i just keep holy shield up |
| 03:24.38 | Corrodias | well, i don't get to try again until next week |
| 03:26.12 | Corrodias | she IS hitting hard, and whether that's the tank's fault or not doesn't really matter now |
| 03:28.32 | Nom- | Well she certainly hits no harder than any other boss in karazhan |
| 03:28.47 | Nom- | So it's just up to your tank and healers to control their aggro in the first few seconds of the fight |
| 03:30.06 | Nom- | I'm so tempted to respec into a prot/ret build :( |
| 03:30.29 | Nom- | Extra 5% parry |
| 03:30.48 | Nom- | quicker judgements too...more aggro |
| 03:32.29 | Corrodias | i don't know anything about paladins, sorry |
| 03:33.56 | Nom- | heh |
| 03:34.05 | Nom- | I know a little about every class |
| 03:34.06 | Nom- | :) |
| 03:34.24 | Nom- | I've got one of every class |
| 03:35.09 | Corrodias | mine are generally too low to tell me anything |
| 03:35.57 | Nom- | Play them all to level 20 or so |
| 03:36.03 | Nom- | That's usually enough to get a pretty good feel for the class |
| 03:36.18 | Nom- | Like ... Hunters are OP |
| 03:36.21 | Nom- | :P |
| 03:36.41 | Nom- | Hunters do scary dps :( |
| 03:40.51 | Corrodias | i just wish we didn't suck so much |
| 03:41.11 | Corrodias | i'd have liked to see something other than spiders, bats, the maiden, and the hallway between them |
| 03:44.19 | cybane | Hey all |
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| 03:52.45 | Nom- | Corrodias: Honestly, if you guys are struggling on Maiden, then Opera is going to be a PITA :) |
| 03:53.16 | Nom- | Opera onwards requires perfect execution by everyone in the raid group |
| 03:53.43 | Nom- | You can get by with 1-2 people doing a half-arsed job on the first 2-3 bosses (just) |
| 03:57.26 | Tierrie | wow i haven't played wow in so long i missed a patch |
| 03:57.30 | Tierrie | .10 to .12 |
| 04:00.23 | Nom- | There was no .11 for enUS |
| 04:04.52 | Tierrie | oh |
| 04:04.53 | Tierrie | well then |
| 04:19.47 | Bleeter | really gotta wonder 'bout some guild names... <Fist of the Fading Sun> |
| 04:24.39 | Thunder_Child | at least it's origional |
| 04:24.49 | Thunder_Child | original* |
| 04:24.56 | Thunder_Child | ...soemthing like that |
| 04:25.17 | Thunder_Child | something* |
| 04:27.07 | Corrodias | i dunno, it's just stupid things... |
| 04:27.43 | Corrodias | somebody gets aggro off the tank, there isn't enough healing during a sleep cycle and the tank dies... i think those two problems caused all of the wipes |
| 04:28.53 | Corrodias | we didn't even get far enough for me to run out of mana, which i certainly would have done long before the fight was over |
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| 04:33.45 | Bleeter | Thunder_Child: it's probably just my sick and twisted mind... fist combined with celestial objects is just wrong ;) |
| 04:34.53 | Thunder_Child | gee thanks....i hadnt thought of it like that till you said something......gah!, now i need to wash my head out with napalm |
| 04:36.46 | Bleeter | sorry mate :( |
| 04:37.14 | Thunder_Child | dont worry, i'll get over it :) |
| 04:44.53 | Bleeter | good to hear :D |
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| 05:22.12 | rophy | any one know if pcall is expensive to call? |
| 05:22.44 | rophy | is it bad to use it in the core execution path of my mod? |
| 05:29.47 | Corrodias | watching this "abridged yu-gi-oh" almost -- almost -- makes me want to watch the actual series. yet it manages to make it look just bad enough that i'm really not sure. |
| 05:36.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | it would only help to explain where a couple of the jokes are coming from |
| 05:36.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | the original show's terrible |
| 05:36.44 | Corrodias | haha |
| 05:37.05 | Corrodias | hearing that it's terrible is probably more fun than the show itself |
| 05:37.11 | ckknight | rophy: no, from my tests, it's very fast, it is basically only one extra function call |
| 05:37.19 | ckknight | only very slightly slower than a blank function |
| 05:40.10 | ckknight | yep |
| 05:40.35 | Iriel | It may be slightly more expensive it the called function actually fails |
| 05:40.52 | Iriel | But considering the alternatives I wouldn't worry about that 8-0 |
| 05:40.57 | ckknight | but if it fails, that's a race condition anyway, really |
| 05:45.54 | kergoth | i was amused at the finalizing exceptions bits on the lua users wiki using pcall and error() |
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| 05:49.55 | ckknight | link? |
| 05:51.10 | kergoth | http://lua-users.org/wiki/FinalizedExceptions |
| 06:00.56 | ckknight | fun times |
| 06:01.32 | JunkHead-Work | I'm fun! |
| 06:12.46 | Corrodias | oh jeez |
| 06:12.52 | Corrodias | yugioh had 3 series and 2 movies? |
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| 06:28.11 | ckknight | Corrodias: puberty powers, ho! |
| 06:33.34 | JunkHead-Work | Yay! |
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| 06:59.12 | JunkHead-Work | Urgh this is horrible. |
| 06:59.45 | JunkHead-Work | I'm listening to the new Nine Inch Nails album. |
| 07:00.01 | JunkHead-Work | And this is even worse than the last NIN album. |
| 07:03.37 | Bleeter | haha |
| 07:11.49 | JunkHead-Work | I'm on track 9 and I haven't heard a single good track yet. |
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| 07:37.22 | Bleeter | JunkHead-Work: personally I think I can honestly say I ain't heard them do anything good since ... well, last century sometime ;) |
| 07:37.43 | JunkHead-Work | Yeah |
| 07:37.49 | JunkHead-Work | It was called The Downward Spiral. |
| 07:38.03 | JunkHead-Work | Everything since them has been pretty much crap. |
| 07:40.08 | Bleeter | I was more of a Ministry type person, to be honest. |
| 07:40.10 | JunkHead-Work | You know how NIN has always incorperated electronic sounds into the music? Like, it is usually 20% instruments and 80% synthesizer? |
| 07:40.32 | Bleeter | synthesizer isn't an instrument? |
| 07:40.37 | JunkHead-Work | The only thing other than a synthesizer I've heard on this album is a little bit of piano. |
| 07:40.53 | JunkHead-Work | It's an instrument. but not what I would call a traditional one. |
| 07:40.54 | Bleeter | protools ftl |
| 07:40.59 | JunkHead-Work | Not like, a guitar or drums. |
| 07:41.22 | JunkHead-Work | This shit sounds like he used one keyboard and a pc and did the entire album (16 tracks) over the course of about 2 days. |
| 07:41.40 | JunkHead-Work | I haven't heard a single guitar. |
| 07:41.54 | JunkHead-Work | And I don't believe any of the drums were an actual drumkit. |
| 07:41.58 | Bleeter | nothing wrong with that, if it's good ... eg, most stuff Bill Laswell does seems to be done in a couple of days on a PC, but is incredibly good |
| 07:42.14 | Bleeter | tho, he might 8 track a lot and remix later |
| 07:43.19 | JunkHead-Work | Well... I've been listening to NIN all the way from Pretty Hate Machine, to... not the last one but the one before it. |
| 07:43.26 | JunkHead-Work | And this is the worst I've heard. |
| 07:44.30 | Bleeter | i've been listening as long (used to DJ at a radio station.. ahhh, those were the days - free albums and if I didn't like it i'd smash them on air :-) |
| 07:45.37 | JunkHead-Work | Ok have you heard any of the new NIN tracks? |
| 07:45.43 | JunkHead-Work | Like.. on radio or anything? |
| 07:46.21 | JunkHead-Work | http://www.myspace.com/nin |
| 07:46.40 | Bleeter | nah.. and after your review I doubt I'd waste my bandwidth ;) |
| 07:46.43 | JunkHead-Work | Survivalism is just about the most energetic track on the whole cd. And it sounds like ass. |
| 07:46.59 | JunkHead-Work | There are two types of NIN songs. |
| 07:47.01 | Bleeter | 'coz you sounds like a bit of a fan, and if it's crap to you... my ears would bleed |
| 07:47.05 | JunkHead-Work | The slow melodic stuff... |
| 07:47.12 | JunkHead-Work | And the faster harder stuff. |
| 07:47.24 | JunkHead-Work | This whole album is slow. |
| 07:47.33 | JunkHead-Work | But without much structure. |
| 07:47.53 | Shirik | night all |
| 07:48.03 | JunkHead-Work | It's like... 16 tracks of nothing but filler that wasn't good enough to be on the last captastic album. |
| 07:48.05 | JunkHead-Work | Night. |
| 07:49.11 | Bleeter | nn Shirik|zZz, rest well |
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| 07:50.55 | Hibernicus | anyone know how to turn off the extra tooltip that shows under the item's regular tooltips, which is part of Auctioneer? |
| 07:51.04 | Hibernicus | I don't want to get rid of auctioneer, but that extra tooltip gets in the way |
| 07:51.44 | Shirik|zZz | I think if you did /script hooksecurefunc = function() end |
| 07:51.49 | Shirik|zZz | it should get rid of it |
| 07:51.55 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 07:51.59 | Shirik|zZz | please don't do that though >< |
| 07:52.01 | AnduinLothar | Informant options |
| 07:52.13 | Bleeter | Hibernicus: did you read the auctioneer documentation? |
| 07:52.39 | Bleeter | http://norganna.org/wiki/Auctioneer |
| 07:56.51 | Hibernicus | I wasn't sure how to navigate around the wiki |
| 07:57.03 | Hibernicus | i don't see anything about being able to disable the tooltip display though |
| 07:59.54 | JunkHead-Work | I finally tried out some new addons yesterday. |
| 08:00.17 | JunkHead-Work | I tried out AG_Unitframes, Bartender 3, and FuBar. |
| 08:01.35 | Bleeter | http://norganna.org/wiki/Auctioneer/Commands |
| 08:01.39 | Bleeter | the display section |
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| 08:06.01 | Hibernicus | I did /auctioneer off, and it's still showing the tooltip |
| 08:06.18 | Hibernicus | it's smaller, since there's less data, but it's still there :( |
| 08:09.31 | JunkHead-Work | Ok which part of the tooltip do you want to go away? |
| 08:09.40 | JunkHead-Work | Like... what info is that part giving? |
| 08:13.49 | SunTiger | Hibernicus, not all information in the "auctioneer" tooltip is part of auctioneer |
| 08:14.05 | SunTiger | auctioneer uses a tooltip library and other addons also provide info through it. |
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| 08:24.24 | cybane | Anyone ever think WoW would be more interesting with Multiclassing? |
| 08:27.16 | SunTiger | yes |
| 08:27.23 | SunTiger | also, balance dies. |
| 08:28.11 | ZealotOnAStick | Yeah, there's a reason why MMO devs generally try to avoid "tankmages" |
| 08:30.14 | ZealotOnAStick | Even if you limited class combos to 2 schools from their primary and one from their secondary, it'd be entirely too easy to create such. Warlock/Paladin with Affliction/Demonology/Holy, for example. |
| 08:31.13 | SunTiger | think of the stealth/hunters |
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| 08:31.19 | ZealotOnAStick | Or even just flip it the other way around, and have Paladin who can run around in plate, swing a mean weapon, heal himself, and throw an array of DoTs. |
| 08:31.19 | SunTiger | stealth anything really |
| 08:31.42 | SunTiger | priestadings |
| 08:31.49 | SunTiger | priests in plate and imba amounts of bubbles. |
| 08:35.09 | AnduinLothar | stealth pally ftw |
| 08:36.27 | ZealotOnAStick | rogue/druid would be more worrisome I think. Stealth, stuns/cooldowns, with resto from druid for self-hots. |
| 08:39.10 | cybane | Class defining abilities would be not allowed if you spec the secondary |
| 08:39.21 | cybane | IE Mages could nto spec Warrior to wear plate |
| 08:39.44 | cybane | But a warrior could spec mage to use rage to cast spells |
| 08:39.56 | cybane | However, could not blink or polymorph |
| 08:41.09 | cybane | Oh and since when has WoW ever had good balance too many people to say the classes are balanced |
| 08:41.51 | Nom- | pfft |
| 08:42.08 | Nom- | WoW is balanced fine, it's just you have to realise that some classes are MEANT to have advantages over others |
| 08:42.33 | AnduinLothar | that's what ballence is ina multi-class game |
| 08:42.42 | Nom- | Ya |
| 08:42.53 | Nom- | Healing classes are MEANT to pwn non-healing classes |
| 08:43.12 | Nom- | Assuming their mana last long enough :P |
| 08:47.55 | cybane | That is balance this is hotfixes |
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| 08:51.20 | Industrial | DAoC \o/ |
| 08:52.29 | Industrial | wish wow had that many races and classes |
| 08:52.39 | Industrial | and siege warfare woot woot :P |
| 08:52.52 | JunkHead-Work | It might one day. |
| 08:53.07 | JunkHead-Work | DAoC has been out for quite a bit longer than WoW. |
| 08:55.11 | cybane | I am not talking about DAoC balance now |
| 08:55.18 | cybane | I am talking about DAoC balance day 1 |
| 08:55.42 | JunkHead-Work | I wasn't referring to what you said. |
| 08:56.08 | cybane | What were you referring your DAOC age comment to? |
| 08:56.17 | JunkHead-Work | [03:54:02] <Industrial> DAoC \o/ |
| 08:56.17 | JunkHead-Work | [03:55:12] <Industrial> wish wow had that many races and classes |
| 08:56.17 | JunkHead-Work | [03:55:21] <Industrial> and siege warfare woot woot :P |
| 08:57.47 | cybane | DAoC launched with 32 Classes 3 Sides and 9 races |
| 08:58.10 | JunkHead-Work | I don't remember that many. |
| 08:58.19 | JunkHead-Work | But my memory is bad. |
| 08:58.35 | cybane | http://daoc.catacombs.com/cbuilder.cfm Shows the expansions classes were added |
| 08:59.15 | cybane | Industrial \o/ WAR!!! |
| 08:59.30 | JunkHead-Work | Ah, specializations? |
| 08:59.44 | cybane | No those are individual classes |
| 08:59.55 | cybane | Each class has 3 different possible ways to spec |
| 09:00.28 | JunkHead-Work | Maybe that's why I never all of those existed, I didn't play DAoC much. |
| 09:00.40 | JunkHead-Work | Played it for maybe a month and quit. |
| 09:01.05 | cybane | If you look at the features that were in DAoC then look at WoW you can very easily tell WoW tried hard to rip them off but not look like it |
| 09:01.15 | cybane | Mostly because they did a crappy job of ripping them off |
| 09:02.02 | cybane | Battlegrounds, Honor System and now they realised they are not good at doing DAoC they have turned to Guild Wars IE Arena System |
| 09:02.11 | JunkHead-Work | Ah well. |
| 09:02.19 | JunkHead-Work | I'm sorry you dislike the game so much. |
| 09:02.47 | cybane | I like WoW a lot it has very good potential I would rather see Blizzard try to be innovative rather than rehashing old ideas |
| 09:02.59 | cybane | Blizzard always did new things but with WoW it is just a spin |
| 09:03.08 | JunkHead-Work | That's how MMO's work though. |
| 09:03.15 | JunkHead-Work | Everything is copied from previous games. |
| 09:03.23 | cybane | Not true |
| 09:03.37 | JunkHead-Work | I'm sure there are some ideas that have yet to be done... but not many. |
| 09:03.57 | cybane | Even if they have been done there are still ways to improve on them |
| 09:04.26 | cybane | I just wish blizzard would openly admit their game is mainly focused on PVE aspect and PVP is merely a side effort |
| 09:04.59 | JunkHead-Work | I would agree with that. |
| 09:05.39 | krka | blizzard caters to the casual players - which is smart |
| 09:05.53 | cybane | Not really |
| 09:06.02 | krka | not everyone can be great at pve, but everyone can invest time (and money) grinding pve contect |
| 09:06.05 | krka | *content |
| 09:06.10 | JunkHead-Work | From a business stand point, yes, it is smart. |
| 09:06.19 | cybane | In the begining before WoW got a hard on for raid content it did but once the raid content hit casuals were left in the dust |
| 09:06.44 | JunkHead-Work | But they still play. |
| 09:06.52 | cybane | They say they are casual freidnly and have aspects for all play types but do allow those that wish to devot their life to the game a god status |
| 09:06.56 | JunkHead-Work | And so do PvP'ers until something else comes along. |
| 09:07.02 | krka | some of them create alts and relive the starting content |
| 09:08.43 | Hibernicus | what I'm trying to do with the extra tooltip is to just make it go away entirely |
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| 09:09.12 | JunkHead-Work | Hibernicus - I'm not sure exactly what "extra tooltip" you're refferring to. |
| 09:09.28 | Hibernicus | I see a tooltip that apears below the regular tooltip for items when i hover over them |
| 09:09.41 | JunkHead-Work | So you see two seperate tooltip boxes? |
| 09:09.43 | Hibernicus | it includes the autioneer info when i have that on, as well as an icom for the item and vendor prices |
| 09:10.25 | Hibernicus | I want that gone |
| 09:10.25 | Hibernicus | yes, i see 2 boxes |
| 09:10.26 | JunkHead-Work | Ok, for me, all of my auctioneer type tooltips are all in the same tooltip box. |
| 09:10.36 | Hibernicus | hhmmm |
| 09:10.36 | JunkHead-Work | I have no idea why you would see 2. |
| 09:10.41 | Hibernicus | maybe it's some other addon i have |
| 09:10.46 | Hibernicus | I went kinda addon-crazy |
| 09:10.54 | JunkHead-Work | You might have 2 tooltip addons installed. |
| 09:11.01 | Hibernicus | I'll look into that |
| 09:11.31 | ZealotOnAStick | try /auc embed or maybe /informant embed |
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| 09:12.49 | Hibernicus | AH HA!!! |
| 09:13.02 | Hibernicus | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:13.11 | Hibernicus | and it's all above the item, instead of below |
| 09:13.26 | Hibernicus | thanx Zealot! |
| 09:13.38 | JunkHead-Work | Ok sweet. |
| 09:13.42 | JunkHead-Work | You figured it out.:P |
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| 09:20.32 | JunkHead-Work | Time to clean out the old USB Drive.:\ |
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| 10:42.30 | cybane | I love going onto the forums and promoting warmongering |
| 10:43.40 | JunkHead-Work | I believe I just found our list of guildmembers' DKP. |
| 10:48.19 | JunkHead-Work | Blah, useless. |
| 10:50.58 | clad|sleep | hrm, the spammers got.. interesting... tonight |
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| 11:29.04 | Mortius | Anyone know how I might be able to move my tooltip? I tried using gymnist tooltips but my tooltip is stuck on the left side of my screen |
| 11:31.38 | JunkHead-Work | Nope. |
| 11:31.53 | Mortius | I can't even do a /script GameTooltip:SetPoint("CENTER", "UIParent", "CENTER", 0, 0); |
| 11:32.00 | Mortius | it simply wont move |
| 11:32.11 | JunkHead-Work | The tooltip addon I use has it's own anchor. |
| 11:32.20 | Mortius | what addon is that |
| 11:32.24 | JunkHead-Work | I just set it where I want it then not worry about it. |
| 11:32.27 | Mortius | i think i have something like that |
| 11:32.28 | JunkHead-Work | Let me think... |
| 11:32.30 | Mortius | but i dont know how |
| 11:32.42 | Mortius | I'm the one who put it where it is, but I dont remember how i did it. |
| 11:32.57 | JunkHead-Work | http://wow-en.curse-gaming.com/files/details/5058/tipbuddy-for-wow-2-0/ |
| 11:33.00 | JunkHead-Work | Tipbuddy. |
| 11:33.05 | Mortius | okay thanks |
| 11:37.30 | Mortius | any idea on how to use it? |
| 11:38.38 | Mortius | typing /tipbuddy gives me the /help error |
| 11:39.56 | Mortius | ah n/m |
| 11:40.00 | wobin_ | oh wow |
| 11:40.04 | wobin_ | total win http://www.88by31.com/flashman/thepeoplesmario.swf |
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| 12:15.22 | clad|work | fever of 101 blows monkey nuts. |
| 12:15.27 | clad|work | at least its not a tuesday |
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| 12:16.44 | clad|sick | BOO |
| 12:16.47 | clad|sick | but i still can't login |
| 12:18.28 | JunkHead-Work | I might actually try to play my 70 today. |
| 12:18.42 | JunkHead-Work | Who knows, I might can get a nice quest reward or something. |
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| 14:21.08 | Industrial | This email is being sent to you in order to notify you of your acceptance into the International Closed Beta for The Chronicles of Spellborn. |
| 14:21.08 | Industrial | \o/ |
| 14:21.22 | Industrial | blah NDA |
| 14:21.50 | zenzelezz | ... |
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| 14:25.15 | scope006 | does anyone know any good info on the effectiveness of +hit for melee? I am having a hard time finding info on it. |
| 14:25.33 | Beladona | define melee |
| 14:25.45 | scope006 | paladin or warrior |
| 14:25.49 | Beladona | well |
| 14:25.52 | zenzelezz | effectiveness in what way? |
| 14:26.02 | Beladona | +hit is very important for certain boss encounters on my warrior |
| 14:26.25 | Beladona | it helps you land skills that are critical |
| 14:26.39 | scope006 | basically rather than stacking stam/crit gems i was considering putting some agi/hit gems |
| 14:26.46 | Beladona | example: disarming Attumen in Kara |
| 14:27.00 | Beladona | but are you a tank? |
| 14:27.03 | zenzelezz | don't think my group bothers disarming him much |
| 14:27.05 | Beladona | or a dps? |
| 14:27.14 | scope006 | nope im one of those pesky ret pallies |
| 14:27.15 | zenzelezz | if he's stacking crit on a tank I'd be curious |
| 14:27.27 | Beladona | thats why I asked |
| 14:27.39 | scope006 | arena / marshal stuff is what i am gathering atm |
| 14:27.47 | scope006 | and have my thunder |
| 14:27.51 | Beladona | so you are doing more dps than tanking |
| 14:27.59 | scope006 | yeah dps and off heal |
| 14:28.09 | Beladona | two hander? |
| 14:28.17 | scope006 | yep Thunder |
| 14:28.20 | Beladona | cool |
| 14:28.27 | scope006 | long grind but worth it |
| 14:28.37 | Beladona | crit/agi/hit is what I would consider important |
| 14:28.56 | Beladona | in that order most likely |
| 14:29.05 | JoshBorke | that's a nice mace |
| 14:29.20 | scope006 | i have a good handle on what stats effect what, but never considered + hit or "how effective it was" or how much you need. |
| 14:29.21 | Beladona | dont gimp your ap though |
| 14:29.25 | scope006 | yeah i really like it |
| 14:29.56 | zenzelezz | if you see a lot of Miss, you may toss in some hit, otherwise I wouldn't think too much about it |
| 14:30.05 | Beladona | not sure what you need the stamina for so much if you are dps |
| 14:30.11 | scope006 | yeah the gladiator / marshal stuff i am starting to get has the spell power and int to get me by so i am going savagery on thunder and ap on my bracers/gloves |
| 14:30.19 | Beladona | well, maybe in pvp |
| 14:30.47 | scope006 | yeah 3 crit / 4 stam gems is what i have been putting in to up stam for pvp |
| 14:31.28 | Beladona | my guild is having problems with healers in Kara |
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| 14:31.57 | Beladona | the only thing that hurts me there atm is Crushing Blows, and that is something I can't do anything about other than to spam shield block |
| 14:32.08 | scope006 | isnt 490 defense like a magical number to reach for tanks? I was just wondering if there was like a 'if you have 50 hit rating or more you see a diff otherwise its not worth it" type of thing |
| 14:32.13 | Beladona | and the healers can't seem to keep me alive when a boss hits me with 4 or 5 consecutive cbs |
| 14:32.24 | Beladona | yes and no |
| 14:32.24 | scope006 | ouch |
| 14:32.31 | Beladona | 490 is what you need to be uncrittable |
| 14:32.35 | scope006 | does resilience help with cbs? |
| 14:32.40 | Beladona | if you dont have any other stat that shrinks it |
| 14:32.49 | Beladona | example: I have 488 def, and some resilience |
| 14:32.52 | Beladona | I am uncrittable |
| 14:32.59 | Beladona | no |
| 14:33.00 | scope006 | nice |
| 14:33.07 | Beladona | you CANNOT push cbs off the melee table |
| 14:33.10 | Beladona | with any stat |
| 14:33.14 | scope006 | owy |
| 14:33.16 | Beladona | the only thing that does is Shield Block |
| 14:33.18 | zenzelezz | things in Kharazan hit hard enough to spam shield block anyhow |
| 14:33.23 | Beladona | which means you have to spam it |
| 14:33.40 | zenzelezz | I've usually got rage coming out my ears |
| 14:33.45 | Beladona | me too |
| 14:33.59 | Beladona | the problem is when the mob hits so fast that you can't get sb up again before the cooldown is off |
| 14:34.08 | zenzelezz | that's true |
| 14:34.22 | scope006 | yeah i'm not even keyed yet. i got burned out on bwl/aq40/nax. im just pvping and trying to save points for my pvp gear atm. ill hop in there with my guild eventually. |
| 14:34.23 | Beladona | which means I probably need to shift some stats up to dodge and parry to offset it |
| 14:34.43 | scope006 | tanking in there sounds rough |
| 14:34.53 | Beladona | only on some bosses |
| 14:34.57 | Beladona | as a whole I think Kara is easy |
| 14:34.59 | scope006 | any of your prot pallies tank? |
| 14:35.15 | Beladona | all of our paladins are healadins |
| 14:35.25 | Beladona | and damn good at it too |
| 14:35.28 | scope006 | yeah most are these days |
| 14:35.32 | scope006 | and most are pretty good |
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| 14:35.43 | scope006 | i've done the healadin and retadin thing pre BC |
| 14:35.53 | Beladona | I mean, when you have a healadin outhealing all your priests, and still at full mana by the time your priests go oom, you know they are good |
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| 14:36.33 | scope006 | yeah we always healed main tank in raids in our guild |
| 14:36.43 | scope006 | fol spam ftw, lol |
| 14:36.59 | scope006 | just got sick of it and wanted to play my holy warrior. hehe |
| 14:37.03 | Beladona | I guess I get to go heroic farming now for some better dodge gear |
| 14:37.23 | scope006 | well thnx for the advice. |
| 14:37.40 | scope006 | sounds like i should stick to crit/ap/stam |
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| 15:39.22 | cogwheel|work | morning, Shirik |
| 15:39.26 | Shirik | morning :) |
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| 15:50.25 | cogwheel|work | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6526851.stm |
| 15:51.04 | cogwheel|work | the update broke my wife's sound drivers... |
| 15:51.16 | Cide | really? weird |
| 15:51.37 | Cide | haven't had any issues here |
| 15:52.03 | zenzelezz | I have an issue with Windows at the moment... it refuses to update my clock over the net; and it also refuses to tell me *what* error occurs, just says *an* error occured |
| 15:52.04 | cogwheel|work | http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/04/04/1256229 |
| 15:52.06 | zenzelezz | *grumble* |
| 15:52.37 | cogwheel|work | oh there's a fix... |
| 15:54.01 | Shirik | zenzelezz: That's because the majority of users don't even know what "error" is, except that it's bad |
| 15:54.53 | Shirik | If you spam people with things like "An illegal operation has occurred: Error 0xC0000005 Access Violation" people start thinking "oh my god what did I do" and they go turn themselves in to the cops |
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| 15:58.53 | cogwheel|work | Shirik: you mean like "Rthdcpl.exe - Illegal System DLL Relocation |
| 15:58.54 | cogwheel|work | The system DLL user32.dll was relocated in memory. The application will not run properly. The relocation occurred because the DLL C:\Windows\System32\Hhctrl.ocx occupied an address range reserved for Windows system DLLs. The vendor supplying the DLL should be contacted for a new DLL." |
| 15:59.23 | cogwheel|work | That's what my wife got after the ANI patch >< |
| 15:59.26 | Shirik | haha |
| 15:59.57 | cogwheel|work | She IMed me all panicky from home and decided to just turn off her computer and let me deal with it later |
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| 16:00.23 | Beladona | zenzelezz: your time server is probably just not responding |
| 16:00.50 | Beladona | if left at default, it would be time.windows.com, which imho is a pos anyway |
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| 16:04.03 | Shirik | time.nist.gov imo |
| 16:05.40 | Jumpy | I use time.nist.gov also |
| 16:06.10 | Lysistrata | I don't use a timeserver :O |
| 16:06.24 | zenzelezz | Beladona: I tried both of the ones it lists |
| 16:06.43 | Jumpy | I only use it occasionally to check my PC clock. Not every time I boot up. |
| 16:08.07 | TC_Working | you can do it manualy @ http://www.time.gov/ |
| 16:08.31 | zenzelezz | I can do it manually using a ton of sources :-p |
| 16:09.04 | TC_Working | tru...but can you be sure that they havent been subverted by the evil forces? |
| 16:09.12 | TC_Working | s/tru/true/ |
| 16:09.24 | Jumpy | That's what the tinfoil hats are for. |
| 16:09.52 | zenzelezz | I find the whole tinfoil thing amusing... since they don't protect against much at all |
| 16:09.53 | TC_Working | really?...i didnt know they check the time |
| 16:10.23 | Jumpy | I hardly ever hear the voices anymore since wearing mine. |
| 16:10.45 | Lysistrata | I think its really stupids that some WoW nerds get upset about the tinfoil hat joke of Blizz ... |
| 16:11.03 | Beladona | someone got upset? |
| 16:11.03 | TC_Working | someone got upset over that? |
| 16:11.14 | Lysistrata | Yeha |
| 16:11.32 | Beladona | well... it WAS an obvious jab at the people who voiced "privacy concerns" regarding the armory |
| 16:11.34 | Lysistrata | They're all like blabla I'm paying for WoW and they're making fun of mee and blaaaa |
| 16:11.44 | Beladona | which is silly, and they deserved to be jabbed |
| 16:11.47 | Beladona | but anyway |
| 16:11.54 | Lysistrata | Right Beladona |
| 16:12.27 | Beladona | it makes guilds happy though |
| 16:12.37 | Lysistrata | The Armory? |
| 16:12.42 | Beladona | yeah |
| 16:12.50 | Beladona | easier gear management, spec checks, etc... |
| 16:13.09 | Beladona | they need to provide the data as xml feeds though |
| 16:14.01 | Cide | it's all xml-based under the hood |
| 16:14.04 | Cide | you just have to find it |
| 16:14.21 | Lysistrata | Hmmm sure ^^ I just don't care about the armory but the arguments of people who don't like the armory are silly ... "Someone is going to rape me in PVP because they know all about my gear and Spec!" ... Comone who's going to be in a Battleground and spend the first 20 mintues figuring out the weaknesses of the enemy by looking at the Armory Profiles? |
| 16:16.13 | Cide | it's more about arena matches among the top 5-10 teams |
| 16:17.41 | Lysistrata | Hmmm might be but anyway you can't see who are you figthing before the match right? Anyway I enjoy seeing them flaming against Blizz %) |
| 16:17.47 | Jumpy | Besides Ierusalimschy's "Programming in Lua" and the 5.1 reference manual is there another source of information on Lua for beginners? |
| 16:18.06 | Cide | Lysistrata: in tournaments you sure can |
| 16:18.22 | Cide | and even so, you will know the second you go out of the gates |
| 16:18.41 | Lysistrata | Hmmmm ... |
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| 16:22.29 | sysrage | people that need to know their opponents gear to win are gonna suck anyway |
| 16:22.58 | TC_Working | intel is never a bad thing |
| 16:24.05 | Lysistrata | Yeha the new Core 2 Duo is going to give you a big advantage ;) *not serious* |
| 16:24.26 | sysrage | lol |
| 16:24.28 | TC_Working | play on a mac, they just rolled out an 8 core machine |
| 16:24.45 | TC_Working | bas is 4K though so come with buckets of money |
| 16:24.46 | sysrage | cell? or dual quads? |
| 16:24.49 | TC_Working | base* |
| 16:24.52 | TC_Working | dual quads |
| 16:24.53 | Cide | Jumpy[A]: turn off your away script :P |
| 16:27.38 | Lysistrata | Thats the Problem about Macs they are so damn expensive :( I really would like to use a mac at least for a while ... |
| 16:28.13 | TC_Working | yes, they are expensive...on the other hand they are very well made, and that comes out in the price |
| 16:29.24 | clad|sick | well, really its the fact that they only allow a small set of hardware |
| 16:29.27 | clad|sick | so stuff just "works" |
| 16:29.36 | clad|sick | and you definitely pay for that |
| 16:29.41 | sysrage | quad core (and dual quad) PCs will be out soon.. and cost half the price.. and far more easily upgraded |
| 16:29.58 | Lysistrata | Hmmm might be true and there are some cool features in MacBooks like the "Speed meter" and the way the power cable is attached |
| 16:31.02 | Lysistrata | Microsoft createdt a Windows Version thats running on Macs right? |
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| 16:31.19 | TC_Working | no |
| 16:31.21 | TC_Working | bootcamp |
| 16:31.36 | Jumpy | I'm new to this, why? |
| 16:31.36 | AnduinLothar | it's 2x quad core Xeons, you aren't gonna find a better price on them |
| 16:31.47 | Jumpy | oh, I see |
| 16:31.47 | Lysistrata | WoW Jumpy thats some important Information ;) |
| 16:32.59 | Jumpy | Since I'm new to IRC chat, what should I do, just log out? |
| 16:33.06 | TC_Working | Lysistrata, wow not WoW... |
| 16:33.14 | TC_Working | or Wow* |
| 16:33.26 | Cide | Jumpy: no, just changing name is fine |
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| 16:33.53 | Lysistrata | Sorry TC its just ... my addiction ;) |
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| 16:34.00 | Jumpy | You mean like Jumpy|away |
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| 16:34.21 | Cide | but we don't care about the reason unless you're actively participating in the conversation, and then you can embed that into a message.. ("sorry guys, I'd love to stay and talk but I have to run to the grocery store!") |
| 16:34.36 | TC_Working | heh, i know about addictions |
| 16:34.43 | Cide | I don't care, but I'm just saying that changing name to show that you're not here is fine |
| 16:34.51 | Cide | and I don't care how long you were gone when you do get back either :P |
| 16:35.04 | Cide | in short, away scripts are bad |
| 16:35.22 | Cide | (this is a pet peeve of mine!) |
| 16:35.31 | Lysistrata | Just be a good boy and leave without saying anything people will know you're away if you don't respond %)) |
| 16:35.42 | Jumpy | I have no idea how to change that. So I'll jut change the name. |
| 16:36.27 | Cide | yeah, just use /nick Jumpy[A] or whatever you want, instead of /away or whatever it's called |
| 16:36.34 | Jumpy | I'm lucky I even got the dang thing to work at all. |
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| 16:38.47 | AnduinLothar | the Xeon Duel core 5160 are priced at about $800 each. compared to the Core 2 Duo at the same speed which are $500 each |
| 16:39.05 | AnduinLothar | 5150* |
| 16:39.08 | AnduinLothar | 2.66 |
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| 16:40.06 | TC_Working | well Xeon are server chips vs Core 2 which are more for home use |
| 16:40.30 | AnduinLothar | but the Mac Pros that use Xeons ARE work stations |
| 16:40.43 | AnduinLothar | they aren't targetted at home users |
| 16:41.05 | AnduinLothar | so saying they're more expensive than your home pc is just... dumb.. |
| 16:41.32 | TC_Working | not really, Xeons are better number crunchers and are not needed for home use |
| 16:41.55 | AnduinLothar | .... |
| 16:42.13 | cogwheel|work | TC_Working: I'd swear you're arguing against yourself... |
| 16:42.16 | AnduinLothar | i don't know why i bother |
| 16:42.31 | TC_Working | wait what? |
| 16:42.52 | TC_Working | i said, Xeons are for work, Core2's are for home...what am i missing? |
| 16:43.25 | AnduinLothar | the apple Xeon boxes are cheeper than the same config at dell. |
| 16:43.31 | cogwheel|work | AnduinLothar agreed with you and said the Macs with Xeons aren't targeted at home users |
| 16:44.14 | cogwheel|work | "so saying they're more expensive than your home pc is just... dumb.." As in, it's not an apples to apples comparison |
| 16:44.18 | cogwheel|work | (no pun intended) |
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| 16:45.52 | TC_Working | i dunno...i dont see the problem in compairing them like that |
| 16:46.05 | AnduinLothar | and honestly, most pc users don't upgrade more than ram. so they don't need a full tower. |
| 16:46.10 | TC_Working | it's like saying my forklift is more expesnsive than your vespa |
| 16:46.18 | AnduinLothar | apple doesn't sell a mid range price competitive gaming machine |
| 16:46.20 | cogwheel|work | exactly... it's entirely meaningless |
| 16:47.27 | Shirik | I've changed my mind about the JNI, I hate it >< |
| 16:47.37 | Shirik | Is this absurdly long function name really necessary? Java_wowiupdater_Modules_StringFormat__Ljava_lang_String_2Ljava_lang_String_2 |
| 16:47.41 | TC_Working | well they did drop the price on their monitors |
| 16:47.50 | AnduinLothar | it's like saying you wouldn't buy a lexus because it costs more than a civic. |
| 16:48.00 | Shirik | That's precisely why I'd never buy it |
| 16:48.02 | TC_Working | though they are still hugely expensive in compairison |
| 16:48.05 | Shirik | A civic works just as well |
| 16:48.20 | AnduinLothar | they don't have the same market audience. |
| 16:48.26 | AnduinLothar | period |
| 16:48.28 | Shirik | ah, true |
| 16:48.54 | cogwheel|work | It's also like saying Apple has only 2% of the PC market share... |
| 16:49.14 | cogwheel|work | The target audience is completely different |
| 16:49.32 | Beladona | that gets a little murky |
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| 16:49.46 | AnduinLothar | market share is a hoax |
| 16:49.57 | AnduinLothar | they're no reliable daa |
| 16:50.01 | cogwheel|work | (and I wouldn't mind getting one of those Lexus' that park themselves) |
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| 16:50.14 | TC_Working | lazy bastard |
| 16:50.22 | TC_Working | thought i wouldnt mind one either... |
| 16:50.25 | TC_Working | though* |
| 16:50.37 | Beladona | I would settle for a computer that makes me breakfast |
| 16:50.43 | Calliee | you're all lazy |
| 16:51.08 | Beladona | lazy is a state of being, and one that I aspire to |
| 16:51.21 | Beladona | well, sometimes |
| 16:52.42 | Kirov | Beladona - maybe not breakfast, but how about coffee http://www.boingboing.net/2002/12/08/coffeemaking_pc_case.html |
| 16:52.58 | zenzelezz | I would aspire to be lazy, if it wasn't so much trouble |
| 16:54.27 | TC_Working | makes you breakfast?....how hard is it to put cerial in a bowl and pour milk on it? |
| 16:55.29 | pastamancer | that's hardly a breakfast |
| 16:55.41 | Kirov | TC_Working - very. Just the other day I almost list an eye trying to do just that. |
| 16:56.13 | TC_Working | pastamancer, it's a breakfast of champions...... |
| 16:56.26 | TC_Working | Kirov.....gee....i dont even know how to respond to that ine |
| 16:56.31 | TC_Working | s/ine/one/ |
| 17:00.37 | cogwheel|work | TC_Working: i thought it was funnier the first time >< |
| 17:00.37 | cogwheel|work | "I almost list an eye" |
| 17:00.42 | cogwheel|work | "I don't even know how to respond to that ine" |
| 17:01.12 | TC_Working | yes, ty for pointing out our spelling/typeing mistakes |
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| 17:01.47 | Kirov | cogwheel|work - it's almost as of my spelling mistake was contagious |
| 17:02.11 | cogwheel|work | I thought it was a joke that went unnoticed |
| 17:03.19 | Kirov | of course it was. I never make spellong mistakes. |
| 17:03.32 | Kirov | They're all 100 percent ontentional |
| 17:04.52 | TC_Working | .... |
| 17:04.58 | TC_Working | ~bitchslap Kirov |
| 17:05.00 | purl | ACTION beats the sh*t out of Kirov |
| 17:05.17 | cogwheel|work | purl beats the shot out of kirov... |
| 17:06.07 | TC_Working | Kirov, stop likeing it |
| 17:06.19 | Kirov | I thought he beat the shut iut of me. |
| 17:06.34 | cogwheel|work | funny: http://www.shacknews.com/extras/2007/032907_alexstjohn1_1.x |
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| 17:16.49 | Gnarfoz | anyone knowledgeable about xcopy? it keeps asking me wether my destination path is a file or a directory. I can force it to assume it's a directory, but I want to force it to assume it's a file, /? does not show a way to do that. anyone know? ^^ |
| 17:17.36 | cogwheel|work | http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en-us/xcopy.mspx?mfr=true |
| 17:18.27 | cogwheel|work | I assume it's a case of "if it ain't there, you can't do it" |
| 17:18.48 | Gnarfoz | I already said, xcopy /? does not help |
| 17:18.51 | Gnarfoz | heh |
| 17:18.54 | Gnarfoz | yea, might be true |
| 17:21.54 | Gnarfoz | then again, I could just use copy instead of xcopy |
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| 17:27.02 | cogwheel|work | O.O http://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php/id;838771320;fp;16;fpid;0 |
| 17:27.41 | zenzelezz | excuse me sir, my malware doesn't seem to work today, could you offer any suggestions? |
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| 17:31.44 | Gnarfoz | sure, that'd be 50$ then |
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| 17:44.52 | ravagernl_ | omg stupid login servers >< 'authenticating' and stuck at that |
| 17:46.11 | drc|away | yeah, once more |
| 17:46.54 | ravagernl_ | good morning kergoth :P |
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| 18:20.20 | JoshBorke | hola |
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| 18:42.07 | Nom- | The application search feature is pretty cool |
| 18:42.18 | Nom- | No more navigating through 10 menus to find 'putty' :) |
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| 18:44.15 | sysrage | ? |
| 18:44.22 | sysrage | oh. vista |
| 18:44.51 | Nom- | So far it's pretty sexy, stable and quick |
| 18:44.55 | sysrage | i'll try it out in a few months when all you noobs get half the bugs worked out and there's some half stable drivers |
| 18:45.16 | Nom- | lo |
| 18:45.17 | Nom- | lol |
| 18:45.34 | Nom- | Apart from having to trawl Creative's site for Audigy 2 drivers, it's been pretty smooth |
| 18:46.04 | Nom- | Vista had native drivers for just about everything but my sound card |
| 18:46.04 | Kirkburn | Aye, Creative were extremely late with drivers |
| 18:46.04 | Nom- | I went to nVidia to get Motherboard and Video card updates, and Creative for sound, and i'm sweet |
| 18:46.11 | Shirik|Ecole | they tend to do that |
| 18:46.28 | Nom- | The integrated Windows Update is pretty sweet |
| 18:46.37 | Shirik|Ecole | what's that? |
| 18:46.53 | Nom- | Windows Update is built into the OS now |
| 18:46.58 | Shirik|Ecole | as opposed to? |
| 18:47.00 | Nom- | So there's no more web page control stuff |
| 18:47.07 | Kirkburn | Not being built into the OS |
| 18:47.10 | Shirik|Ecole | .. |
| 18:47.25 | Shirik|Ecole | but um... correct me if I'm wrong SP2 does it through the OS? |
| 18:47.33 | Kirkburn | That's Automatic Updates |
| 18:47.48 | Shirik|Ecole | meh |
| 18:47.48 | Kirkburn | The whole Windows/Microsoft Update stuff is now directly built into the OS |
| 18:47.51 | Shirik|Ecole | don't like windows anyway |
| 18:48.35 | Nom- | brb reboot for the 2 dozen installs i've done :) |
| 18:49.27 | Shirik|Ecole | go back to ubuntu! |
| 18:51.58 | Nom- | back |
| 18:52.00 | Nom- | heh |
| 18:52.10 | Nom- | I think it's only fair that it gets a reboot |
| 18:52.20 | Shirik|Ecole | oh |
| 18:52.28 | Shirik|Ecole | I thought you meant it's done 2 dozen reboots so far |
| 18:52.32 | Nom- | I've installed nVidia drivers x 2, creative drivers, office, office updates |
| 18:52.45 | Nom- | no installed heaps of software with no reboots :) |
| 18:53.36 | Nom- | "This program requires a reboot now, or it will format your computer", Me: "Reboot Later" |
| 18:53.52 | Nom- | That'd be me :) |
| 18:54.43 | sysrage | have they fixed that at all with vista? (the constant reboots for everything) |
| 18:54.56 | Nom- | I'll let you know :) |
| 18:55.05 | sysrage | Windows has detected that your mouse has moved. Your system must be restarted for changes to take effect. |
| 18:55.05 | Nom- | I'm not going to get much of a chance to play with it tonight |
| 18:55.15 | Nom- | But it hasn't rebooted by itself yet |
| 18:56.00 | Nom- | It's actually pretty damn quick |
| 18:56.01 | Nom- | The interface is responsive even under load |
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| 18:56.54 | Nom- | I have audio! |
| 18:56.56 | Nom- | It's alive! |
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| 19:00.38 | TC_Working | Nom-, vista? |
| 19:00.47 | Nom- | Yeah, TC_Working |
| 19:01.11 | TC_Working | it's not to bad, i have managed to fix all of my crashing issues so far |
| 19:02.10 | Nom- | I love how responsive the whole thing is, even under high load |
| 19:02.27 | Nom- | If anything, the animations make it seem slower than it really is |
| 19:03.26 | TC_Working | fomr some reason IE7 is slower on vista than on xp |
| 19:03.34 | TC_Working | s/fomr/for/ |
| 19:04.06 | JoshBorke | as a personal choice i've decided i'm not going to run vista |
| 19:09.02 | sysrage | eventually you'll probably have to. but ya. i plan on putting it off as long as i can |
| 19:09.37 | JoshBorke | naw, i'll finally make the plunge to linux |
| 19:09.41 | Calliee | wich should be a few years |
| 19:10.02 | JoshBorke | Calliee: exactly |
| 19:10.14 | Calliee | for now XP works just fine, and upgradeing my desktop systems does not mean I need to buy a new OS |
| 19:10.23 | JoshBorke | yep |
| 19:10.26 | sysrage | if you only play wow i guess you can get away with that.. but there's a lot of games that still won't run in linux :( |
| 19:10.50 | Calliee | hell, this box is still running 2k |
| 19:10.53 | JoshBorke | sysrage: in a few years i doubt i'll be playing as many games |
| 19:10.59 | sysrage | :) |
| 19:16.04 | TC_Working | sad JoshBorke, just sad |
| 19:16.19 | JoshBorke | TC_Working: which? |
| 19:16.35 | TC_Working | that you doubt you will be playing as many games |
| 19:17.09 | JoshBorke | i'll finally graduate college, be married, have a wife who isn't as big a gamer |
| 19:17.19 | Nom- | awww epic |
| 19:17.21 | Nom- | It has a chess game |
| 19:17.24 | Nom- | I'm hooked |
| 19:17.59 | TC_Working | how do you know what kind of gamer your wife will be?....or is that a specific? |
| 19:18.17 | JoshBorke | i'm already engaged :-) |
| 19:18.33 | Calliee | see, that's where you havn't set your goals high enough... you need to graduate collage and be married to a girl who games *with* you |
| 19:18.43 | Calliee | oh |
| 19:18.52 | TC_Working | send her to gaming school |
| 19:19.17 | Calliee | set her up with a wow account and a guild that has a few other women in it |
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| 19:32.12 | TC_Working | another reason to love asus, user upgradeable laptops http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/laptops/asus-c90-will-be-first-user-upgradeable-lappie-249934.php |
| 19:36.27 | ravagernl_ | ive heard they are making their first videocards also |
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| 19:47.06 | batrick | how would you get the spirit on an item? |
| 19:47.15 | batrick | I can't seem to find the function/way to do it :S |
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| 19:47.47 | [dRaCo] | parsing the tooltip will work, though it's not very effective |
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| 19:48.13 | batrick | by saying it's not very effective, do you mean there is a better way? |
| 19:48.34 | [dRaCo] | there might be, I'm not that much into WoW's API |
| 19:48.54 | Shirik | it's the only way |
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| 19:49.01 | Shirik | you have to parse the tooltip |
| 19:49.13 | [dRaCo] | well, there's your info ;) |
| 19:50.08 | Shirik | sorry for the delayed responses. Lack of sleep sucks :P |
| 19:50.08 | Shirik | debating what to do... do I go into WoW or go to sleep |
| 19:50.08 | TC_Working | pfft! sleep is for...err....tired people |
| 19:50.08 | Shirik | or work on program |
| 19:50.18 | [dRaCo] | go code that flight stuff :þ |
| 19:50.24 | Shirik | not until the updater's finished ;) |
| 19:50.33 | [dRaCo] | which updater? |
| 19:50.46 | Shirik | mm program I'm working on |
| 19:51.09 | Cairenn | sleep |
| 19:51.18 | Shirik | I can sleep any time :P |
| 19:51.24 | Cairenn | sleep |
| 19:51.31 | Shirik | :( Cairenn wants to get rid of me |
| 19:51.53 | Cairenn | nope |
| 19:52.22 | Cairenn | but you shouldn't be trying to code when you are that tired, just end up making dumb errors that'll take you forever to find |
| 19:52.31 | Shirik | heh |
| 19:52.34 | Shirik | sad thing this is so true |
| 19:52.34 | [dRaCo] | good point. |
| 19:52.42 | [dRaCo] | almost as bad as coding drunk |
| 19:53.03 | [dRaCo] | did that once... took too long to clean that code up |
| 19:53.45 | Shirik | did you have slurred variable names? |
| 19:54.28 | [dRaCo] | some typos, but those were easy to find |
| 19:54.51 | Nom- | http://standen.id.au/pics/appswitcher.jpg |
| 19:54.54 | Nom- | now that is cool |
| 19:55.09 | Shirik | if that's what I think it is |
| 19:55.14 | Shirik | it's the most pointless feature I've ever seen |
| 19:55.17 | Nom- | That's the app switcher in Vista :) |
| 19:55.28 | Nom- | There's also |
| 19:55.33 | Shirik | ah no |
| 19:55.35 | Shirik | that's the alt-tab one |
| 19:55.36 | Nom- | http://standen.id.au/pics/appswitcher2.jpg |
| 19:55.36 | Shirik | that's ok |
| 19:55.42 | Nom- | mouseover version too |
| 19:55.44 | [dRaCo] | the thing that was really hard to deal with was the twisted logic |
| 19:55.56 | Shirik | no the one that's pointless |
| 19:56.06 | Shirik | is the one where you have to push like ctrl+alt+esc+mousewheel |
| 19:56.11 | Shirik | or some utterly useless combination |
| 19:56.15 | Shirik | to switch applications |
| 19:56.22 | Shirik | it's very pretty |
| 19:56.29 | Shirik | but completely useless since it takes 4 arms to execute |
| 19:57.02 | Nom- | It's actually really useful, the mouseover one |
| 19:57.15 | Nom- | I can be typing in IRC and see the game as it's really happening |
| 19:59.25 | Shirik | mm |
| 19:59.33 | Shirik | I think I'll take Cairenn|afk's advice though |
| 19:59.48 | Shirik | why are there two cairenn? |
| 19:59.56 | Shirik | I must be really tired, seeing double |
| 20:00.00 | Shirik | anyway, night all :P |
| 20:00.15 | Nom- | Yah, it's way past bed time |
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| 20:01.38 | Cairenn | because I'm signed on from 2 different locations atm |
| 20:01.59 | Cairenn | S4ngat3 |
| 20:04.12 | sysrage | nom: is that first screenshot showing that you can alt-tab to the desktop? |
| 20:04.15 | Shirik|zZz | anyway, night :P |
| 20:04.39 | Nom- | sysrage: Yes, you can alt-tab to the desktop :) |
| 20:04.44 | sysrage | that's awesome |
| 20:04.48 | Nom- | Also, when you alt-tab, you can click the window you want too |
| 20:04.52 | Shirik|zZz | it's no different from windows+d |
| 20:04.58 | Shirik|zZz | this is what I don't understand about vista |
| 20:05.00 | Shirik|zZz | they added all these features |
| 20:05.05 | Shirik|zZz | but made them harder to use |
| 20:05.09 | Shirik|zZz | I'm like... "what's the point" |
| 20:05.14 | Nom- | not really |
| 20:05.22 | Nom- | The single best feature I've found so far |
| 20:05.27 | Nom- | Start => "word" => Enter |
| 20:05.34 | Nom- | Magically, MS Word is open |
| 20:05.42 | Shirik|zZz | as opposed to windows+r winword enter? |
| 20:06.01 | Nom- | Start => "warcraft" => Enter |
| 20:06.29 | Shadowed | I disabled my windows key a while ago |
| 20:06.35 | Shirik|zZz | I couldn't live without it |
| 20:06.40 | Shirik|zZz | I hate using the mouse |
| 20:06.42 | Shadowed | being alt tabbed out of game in the middle of fights gets a but annoyinh |
| 20:06.47 | sysrage | my windows key is my push-to-talk key ;) |
| 20:06.50 | Shadowed | bit annoying even |
| 20:06.52 | Shirik|zZz | haha |
| 20:06.53 | Nom- | Shadowed: Run windowed mode |
| 20:07.03 | Shadowed | or i could just disable windows key :p |
| 20:07.03 | Shirik|zZz | or get a G15 and push the disable button |
| 20:07.05 | Nom- | Shadowed: WoW has a "full screen windowed" mode |
| 20:07.15 | Shadowed | since i never really used it before anyway |
| 20:07.23 | Nom- | Makes it appear to be fulls screen, but it's actually in window mode |
| 20:07.26 | Nom- | You can alt-tab out instantly |
| 20:07.27 | Shirik|zZz | The one thing I hate about my school |
| 20:07.31 | Shirik|zZz | any windows key shortcuts are disabled |
| 20:07.32 | Shirik|zZz | so like |
| 20:07.32 | Shadowed | i can alt tab out instantly already really! |
| 20:07.34 | Shirik|zZz | I'll be in the lab |
| 20:07.39 | sysrage | full screen windowed mode with 2 monitors = teh win |
| 20:07.42 | Cairenn | Shirik|zZz: don't make me kick you from channel to make you sleep |
| 20:07.45 | Shirik|zZz | and suddenly 5 loud error chimes go off |
| 20:07.46 | Shirik|zZz | !!! |
| 20:07.55 | Shirik|zZz | Nom-'s distracting me :( |
| 20:07.57 | Shirik|zZz | kick him |
| 20:08.00 | Shadowed | Aren't you an example of somebody who stays on IRC hours after saying you're going to sleep? |
| 20:08.01 | Nom- | You're keeping me up too |
| 20:08.03 | Nom- | >:( |
| 20:08.11 | Nom- | Right i'm going to swtich my monitor off and go to bed |
| 20:08.14 | Nom- | Nite guys :) |
| 20:08.23 | Shirik|zZz | right, I guess I'll head out for real this time too :P |
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| 21:22.16 | ckknight | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1IaXXQSUGo <--- gummibears! |
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| 21:53.14 | Cairenn | afk until later on this evening, going out for celebratory dinner with Mom and Dad tonight, Dad is now "on vacation" for the next two months, then he is retired |
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| 22:05.20 | tedrock | how do you set a raid icon using a macro? i know " SetRaidTargetIcon("target", 8) " is involved |
| 22:08.48 | tedrock | because "/script SetRaidTargetIcon("target", 8);" is not workin |
| 22:09.37 | Esamynn | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:09.48 | Esamynn | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:12.49 | cogwheel|work | what's the deal with brits & their teeth? http://www.reuters.com/article/oddlyEnoughNews/idUSL0517923220070405?feedType=RSS |
| 22:13.28 | Jumpy[A] | Maybe they aren't as superficial as us Yanks. |
| 22:13.42 | cogwheel|work | hehe |
| 22:13.54 | Jumpy | caught me lurking |
| 22:15.26 | tedrock | "whether he should banned from practicing." |
| 22:15.29 | tedrock | whether?! |
| 22:17.16 | TC_Working | yea, i cought that was well |
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| 22:35.43 | tedrock | ok i got the part of the macro to work so it will set the icon |
| 22:35.43 | tedrock | but how woul di make it so if i hold ctrl it will explain the icon |
| 22:37.42 | tedrock | i'm trying something like |
| 22:37.55 | tedrock | /script SetRaidTargetIcon("target", 8); [modifier:ctrl] /p skull means blah |
| 22:39.28 | tedrock | but that of course isn't gonna work |
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| 22:44.24 | tedrock | anyone wanna give me a little hint? |
| 22:45.35 | sysrage | /script [nomodifier] SetRaidTargetIcon("target", 8) |
| 22:45.37 | sysrage | /p [modifier:ctrl] Skull means blah |
| 22:46.30 | tedrock | Message: [string "[nomodifier] SetRaidTargetIcon("target", 8)"] line 1: |
| 22:47.23 | sysrage | oh ya |
| 22:47.36 | sysrage | it's something like /stopscript [nomodifier] between the 2 lines |
| 22:47.39 | sysrage | i'm not sure |
| 22:47.47 | sysrage | stopmacro |
| 22:47.49 | sysrage | something.... |
| 22:48.19 | tedrock | hrm |
| 22:48.48 | tedrock | i can't even get it to say 2 different things. one if i hold no mod and one if i do |
| 22:49.43 | tedrock | by using " /p [modifier:ctrl] Skull means blah" it actualyl sends "[modifier:ctrl] Skull means blah" to the party |
| 22:49.58 | tedrock | it ignores the command and sends it as plan text |
| 22:50.31 | sysrage | heh ok i dunno then |
| 22:50.59 | tedrock | i know it's probably some simple trick |
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| 23:03.27 | deflux- | Is it possible to write data to an external file in a wow addon? |
| 23:04.05 | clad|sick | no, only savedvariable files, on reload or logout |
| 23:06.10 | deflux- | So I take it Blizzard's impl of LUA doesn't allow loading of lua libraries? |
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| 23:06.10 | clad|sick | nope |
| 23:06.10 | deflux- | Well, there goes my SQL interface. 8) |
| 23:06.25 | clad|sick | you dont really need it |
| 23:06.25 | clad|sick | use lua tables. |
| 23:06.25 | Hondow | anyone know the /<command> for pitchspeed to make your flying mount do loops |
| 23:06.27 | Hondow | something like /console pitchspeed 9999999 |
| 23:06.44 | deflux- | Well, I'm writing a .net counterpart to my addon, didn't know if there was an easy library for parsing lua files and creating data structures out of it. |
| 23:06.58 | clad|sick | there should be |
| 23:07.03 | clad|sick | there is one for python |
| 23:07.08 | deflux- | http://www.gamedev.net/reference/articles/article2275.asp |
| 23:07.10 | deflux- | There we go. |
| 23:07.10 | deflux- | :) |
| 23:10.39 | batrick | is there a way to find the target of a spell before the UNIT_SPELLCAST_SUCCEEDED event? |
| 23:14.17 | kergoth | UNIT_SPELLCAST_SENT. |
| 23:15.27 | batrick | ah ok thanks very much |
| 23:22.03 | deflux- | So is it possible to modify a Blizzard UI element? Add on to the frame and such? Auctioneer appears to do it, but I don't know if it's some sort of abs positioning trick? |
| 23:22.39 | tlund | deflux-: no, you can have any frames as your parent, inluding blizzard frames |
| 23:23.26 | deflux- | Is there a reference list of blizzard frame names? |
| 23:23.37 | deflux- | Sorry about the new questions. Still learning here. :) |
| 23:24.14 | tlund | unpack the blizzard UI and have a look |
| 23:26.29 | deflux- | Great, thanks. |
| 23:30.11 | Corrodias | i'm almost not motivated to play wow today |
| 23:38.25 | Corrodias | but... i have nothing else to do, really |
| 23:38.29 | Corrodias | i don't feel like installing another game |
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| 23:49.25 | YammYgirlcoding | good evening all! |
| 23:49.56 | YammYgirlcoding | is anyone experiencing constant freezes caused by an specific addon, these days? |
| 23:50.46 | YammYgirlcoding | I have 5 alts and i can't identify which addon is. Some addons off on one, will freeze on another alt. I can't find a pattern |
| 23:51.03 | Cide | ctra can cause freezes, headache, nausea, severe chest pains and death.. does that answer your question? |
| 23:51.12 | YammYgirlcoding | rsrs |
| 23:51.17 | YammYgirlcoding | raid assist? |
| 23:51.25 | Cide | yep! |
| 23:51.45 | YammYgirlcoding | oh! i didn't suspicious of this one :( |
| 23:52.05 | Cide | hehe |
| 23:52.06 | Shadowed | I think he was being sarcastic because CTRA is blamed for everything :p |
| 23:52.14 | Cide | quite possibly |
| 23:52.28 | YammYgirlcoding | its crazy. on char 1, addon A, B, C freezes. on char 2, addon D, E, F, freezes but not A, B, C |
| 23:52.37 | YammYgirlcoding | oh :) |
| 23:52.44 | YammYgirlcoding | i believed at first :) |
| 23:53.04 | Shadowed | Did you try renaming your WTF folder quickly and making sure it wasn't just configuration causing the lag from different addons on different characters? |
| 23:54.16 | YammYgirlcoding | hmm i dont think it's just lag. cause i waited like for 10 minutes, restarted the same char like 10 times, and it always freezes around 10 seconds after log in |
| 23:54.30 | Corrodias | suspiciously similar to what my pants do |
| 23:54.41 | YammYgirlcoding | i'd like to have a tracer to tell me exactly which addon is beeing loaded at the time, but i guess it cant be done, can it ? |
| 23:55.50 | Corrodias | always freezes, eh? |
| 23:55.56 | Corrodias | have you done the "disable half" thing? |
| 23:55.58 | YammYgirlcoding | for 3 alts with the same addons loaded, doesnt freezes. for 2 alts, freezes. |
| 23:56.03 | YammYgirlcoding | i tried!! |
| 23:56.09 | Corrodias | i see |
| 23:56.24 | YammYgirlcoding | the same addons that freezes on one char, doesnt freeze on another. it's crazy! I can't find the damm thing! |
| 23:56.38 | YammYgirlcoding | it's a mutant bug! :p |
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| 23:59.29 | YammYgirlcoding | nope. freezed :( |
