| 00:01.05 | Calmcacil | http://hallucinosis.com/wow/Magtheridon.png <--- looking for an addon that does that too the combatlog (with colors) |
| 00:02.58 | kaso | Thats nurfed combat log |
| 00:03.06 | kaso | where you can get a working version i do not know |
| 00:03.41 | Shirik | 19:54:34 ‹Bleeter› no matter how much we tell them that the exe is built from the publically viewable source, using msys on linux, and never goes anywhere near a win32 so it could get infected and so it's probably a false positive.. they don't get it |
| 00:03.47 | Shirik | This is why the updater will be open source, most likely |
| 00:03.57 | Shirik | even if other people refuse to believe me |
| 00:04.06 | Calmcacil | sigh i serously need a some ui tweaks |
| 00:04.22 | Calmcacil | my ui looks shitty.. guess thats what you get from being so spesific on thigs |
| 00:05.19 | Garoun|Loupana | whatyou need Calm, is a catastrophic hdd crash that wipes your interface :) |
| 00:05.53 | Calmcacil | well |
| 00:05.53 | Garoun|Loupana | those are the best times to come up with new ui setups :/ only know because I just did it a few weeks ago |
| 00:06.01 | Calmcacil | i got basic ui with some addons i feel that i need :P |
| 00:06.05 | Calmcacil | no ui changes what so ever :p |
| 00:06.13 | Calmcacil | tried clearfont but it wont look clear enough :p |
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| 00:07.18 | Calmcacil | gonna test nurfed now |
| 00:07.35 | kaso | You found a working 2.0 version? |
| 00:08.20 | Calmcacil | www.nurfedui.net o.o |
| 00:08.37 | Calmcacil | and im no rocket scientist |
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| 00:11.23 | Calmcacil | evil... |
| 00:15.31 | Calmcacil | hmm |
| 00:16.56 | Calmcacil | now the only thing i want is for my chat and combat log too look like that (same font and stuff) |
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| 00:19.38 | Calmcacil | *waits forsomeone comes with a smart suggestion* |
| 00:21.08 | Calmcacil | all the ui freaks must be sleeping |
| 00:21.08 | Calmcacil | *sigh* |
| 00:21.08 | Kirkburn|afk | Uuh, offer bananas to the Great Monkey God! |
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| 00:21.29 | Kirkburn|afk | I'm the dev of ClearFont btw :) |
| 00:21.37 | JoshBorke | lies! all lies! |
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| 00:21.50 | Kirkburn|afk | You swore you'd never tell! |
| 00:22.01 | Kirkburn|afk | *off |
| 00:22.13 | JoshBorke | purl, grab Kirkburn|afk |
| 00:22.22 | JoshBorke | ~emulate JoshBorke |
| 00:22.24 | purl | ACTION hugs Cairenn |
| 00:22.33 | Kirkburn|afk | Phwa?! |
| 00:22.41 | sysrage | yay for servers crashing |
| 00:22.45 | JoshBorke | so i see we're as lively as ever |
| 00:26.04 | TC_Working | ~dict lively |
| 00:26.13 | TC_Working | uhhhh |
| 00:26.28 | TC_Working | ok, not quite |
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| 00:28.04 | kneeki|atwork | Wow, Battlestar Galactica S03E20, who else called that?!?! |
| 00:28.15 | kneeki|atwork | I'm so addicted to that show =( |
| 00:29.48 | hugo | hi |
| 00:30.25 | batrick | wowwiki dead for anyone else? |
| 00:30.57 | kneeki|atwork | ello |
| 00:31.13 | kneeki|atwork | and.... yes, i cannot load wowwiki |
| 00:31.28 | kneeki|atwork | timed out |
| 00:31.43 | Calmcacil | http://hallucinosis.com/wow/Magtheridon.png <-- now someone tell me what i need to do too get similar chatwindows (font and stuff) |
| 00:31.59 | zenzelezz | Wiki works for me |
| 00:32.12 | kneeki|atwork | Calmcacil: clear font? |
| 00:32.18 | kneeki|atwork | and Simple Combat Log |
| 00:32.23 | Calmcacil | well i dont seem to get the same results |
| 00:32.36 | kneeki|atwork | That's all he's using, just use the right font |
| 00:33.34 | hugo | please anyone know whats the raid unit frame called on top left on this picture: http://www.imagedump.com/index.cgi?pick=get&tp=487203 |
| 00:33.56 | Calmcacil | any idea what font >: |
| 00:35.48 | kneeki|atwork | Calmcacil: no idea. I assume its one of the ones that came with the mod. However, I use Segoe UI, and it looks great |
| 00:36.14 | kneeki|atwork | hugo: i think that's the Ace raid frames |
| 00:36.28 | kneeki|atwork | I forget the name however, search the ace download site for raid frames, you'll find it |
| 00:36.28 | hugo | ok thanks i check them out ;] |
| 00:37.11 | Calmcacil | got any screenshot? |
| 00:37.32 | hugo | theres perfectraid, sraidframes, xraid |
| 00:37.41 | hugo | and grid, i know grid using that one so its not grid |
| 00:37.44 | kneeki|atwork | Of Segoe UI? It's the default front that Windows Vista uses. One of the best features of Vista imo =\ |
| 00:37.48 | kneeki|atwork | Perfect raid |
| 00:37.53 | Calmcacil | oh so it wont work on XP? |
| 00:37.53 | kneeki|atwork | I'm almost certain |
| 00:37.54 | hugo | ok thanks ;) |
| 00:38.05 | kneeki|atwork | yes, it does work with XP. It was just introduced with Vista |
| 00:38.18 | kneeki|atwork | I use SegoeUI on my XP pc at home also. =) |
| 00:38.49 | Shirik | heh |
| 00:38.55 | Shirik | strangely you could configure rdx to look like that :P |
| 00:39.26 | kneeki|atwork | Oh? Then try that also. I just remember my Perfect Raid looking like that also. *shrugs* It's all raid frames |
| 00:39.34 | Shirik | nah that's not rdx |
| 00:39.38 | Shirik | just making a comment |
| 00:39.44 | kneeki|atwork | Ah |
| 00:39.52 | Calmcacil | who ate my clearfont options |
| 00:40.07 | Shirik | I did! |
| 00:40.11 | kneeki|atwork | The font monster? |
| 00:40.19 | Calmcacil | WHY YOU LITTLE! |
| 00:40.32 | kneeki|atwork | He runs rampant.... mid day. ;) |
| 00:41.40 | kneeki|atwork | purl, hug kneeki|atwork |
| 00:41.41 | purl | ACTION gets a running start and tackle-hugs kneeki|atwork |
| 00:41.48 | kneeki|atwork | yippe for me |
| 00:41.51 | kneeki|atwork | <3 purl |
| 00:42.51 | Calmcacil | *doesnt get it* |
| 00:43.00 | Calmcacil | i think... clearfont sucks :( |
| 00:43.05 | kneeki|atwork | lol |
| 00:43.10 | kneeki|atwork | Then find your own font? |
| 00:43.12 | kneeki|atwork | dafont.com |
| 00:44.06 | hugo | can't find perfectraid in wowaceupdater ;o |
| 00:44.10 | hugo | wasn't it renamed ? |
| 00:44.16 | JoshBorke | hugo: perfect raid isn't ace |
| 00:44.26 | kneeki|atwork | No idea. I don't use updaters |
| 00:44.32 | kneeki|atwork | Perfect raid isn't ace? You sure? |
| 00:44.56 | kneeki|atwork | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info4673-PerfectRaid.html |
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| 00:45.04 | hugo | i tought its ace |
| 00:45.13 | Calmcacil | *waits for someone to make a cool pack with custom fonts and stuff* |
| 00:45.23 | hugo | or it was :D |
| 00:45.30 | ckknight | PerfectRaid used to be ace |
| 00:45.35 | kneeki|atwork | Hmm, your right. No ace librarys |
| 00:45.49 | kneeki|atwork | Oh ckknight? Why did clad change it? |
| 00:45.51 | ckknight | then it became willful and broke off from ace |
| 00:45.52 | hugo | prolly was removed from ace |
| 00:45.54 | ckknight | yep, kneeki|atwork |
| 00:46.09 | kneeki|atwork | lol |
| 00:46.14 | hugo | ok i skip it then ;s |
| 00:46.25 | clad|work | wow, that's special |
| 00:46.30 | clad|work | heh |
| 00:46.31 | kneeki|atwork | Well, just because it's not ace, doesn't mean its bad. |
| 00:46.37 | kneeki|atwork | *wave* Hi clad =) |
| 00:46.41 | hugo | well i use grid |
| 00:46.44 | hugo | i just wanted compare ;d |
| 00:46.55 | batrick | is there any way to get the date ? |
| 00:46.58 | kneeki|atwork | None of my addons are ace, and they work. I'm just a poor uneducated programmer =P |
| 00:47.05 | ckknight | I'm writing my own UF now ;-) |
| 00:47.17 | ckknight | batrick: ingame? |
| 00:47.20 | clad|work | i'm a not poor, educated programmer =) |
| 00:47.32 | kneeki|atwork | Yeah, I heard about that ckknight. What did you decide to name them? |
| 00:47.32 | hugo | good send me i want test your UF ;o |
| 00:47.36 | ckknight | kneeki|atwork: PitBull |
| 00:47.40 | kneeki|atwork | clad|work: haha! |
| 00:47.46 | ckknight | hugo: it's on wowace, name's PitBull |
| 00:47.51 | ckknight | it's not done yet |
| 00:47.53 | Calmcacil | screenshots >: |
| 00:47.54 | ckknight | no raid grouping |
| 00:47.58 | kneeki|atwork | ckknight: nice name =) |
| 00:48.06 | ckknight | Calmcacil: there might be some on the forum |
| 00:48.12 | ckknight | it looks like agUF right now |
| 00:48.15 | batrick | ckknight, yes |
| 00:48.28 | ckknight | but it's very nice and modular |
| 00:48.30 | ckknight | and hackable |
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| 00:48.35 | ckknight | so lots of other developers are helping out with it |
| 00:48.38 | hugo | unit frames of awesomeness |
| 00:48.40 | hugo | hehe |
| 00:48.41 | JoshBorke | i'm a poor uneducated non-programmer |
| 00:48.44 | ckknight | so development has gone very quickly |
| 00:48.57 | ckknight | I'm a middle-class self-educated programmer |
| 00:49.14 | clad|work | ckknight: more watchdog users will be headed your way |
| 00:49.15 | kneeki|atwork | wth, did I start a trend here? =P |
| 00:49.21 | hugo | im ex-resto shaman who was using grid, now im dualwield and i dont need so much info on raid frames ;o |
| 00:49.36 | ckknight | clad|work: btw, I added some cool stuff to the tag stuff |
| 00:49.36 | batrick | Is there a function (in game) to get the date? |
| 00:49.40 | ckknight | modifiers for tags |
| 00:49.43 | kneeki|atwork | So because you dual weild, you no longer heal/decurse? |
| 00:49.45 | Calmcacil | i want som propper chat window addons :\ |
| 00:49.49 | Calmcacil | make chat windows look imba :D |
| 00:49.53 | clad|work | suck as? |
| 00:49.53 | hugo | no i dont heal |
| 00:49.55 | clad|work | such rather |
| 00:49.56 | ckknight | i.e. [curhp:hidemaxhp] |
| 00:50.00 | hugo | i dont even heal myselft |
| 00:50.03 | hugo | :D |
| 00:50.09 | ckknight | shows curhp, runs the hidemaxhp function on it |
| 00:50.14 | clad|work | fun |
| 00:50.17 | ckknight | also, :hidezero |
| 00:50.21 | ckknight | and :short |
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| 00:50.24 | kneeki|atwork | hugo: *tssk tssk* |
| 00:50.24 | Calmcacil | well |
| 00:50.26 | ckknight | to turn 10000 into 10k |
| 00:50.27 | hugo | i got +0healing the heal waste too much mana that is transfered to dmg :) |
| 00:50.33 | ckknight | as well as using other tags as modifiers |
| 00:50.36 | Calmcacil | lets say the default chat ui |
| 00:50.39 | Calmcacil | looks.. boring |
| 00:50.40 | hugo | kneeki|atwork and im always in top 5 ;p |
| 00:50.45 | ckknight | so [statusgone:missinghp:hidezero:negate] |
| 00:50.49 | clad|work | well aguf's watchdog tags were .. a subset of watchdog's features, to say the least |
| 00:50.59 | clad|work | but nice |
| 00:51.06 | hugo | ok i got pitbull |
| 00:51.10 | ckknight | shows Dead/Offline/Ghost/(nothing if full)/-60 |
| 00:51.15 | kneeki|atwork | Calcacil: I use pretty much all default ui, w/ exception of what the default ui does not provide (font options, and damage meters) |
| 00:51.15 | hugo | so it show only target player and party now ? |
| 00:51.23 | ckknight | hugo: no, it shows all |
| 00:51.31 | ckknight | just for raid, there's no good grouping |
| 00:51.36 | kneeki|atwork | hugo: top 5 dps in a 5 man group isn't saying much. har har har! |
| 00:51.42 | ckknight | but there's party, partytarget, partypet, partypettarget, etc. |
| 00:51.43 | hugo | most unitframes are hard to modifiy (customize by a noob player) |
| 00:51.47 | hugo | make yours unique ? :P |
| 00:51.48 | ckknight | all nice-like |
| 00:52.09 | ckknight | hugo: right-click the pitbull on the minimap |
| 00:52.14 | hugo | kneeki|atwork noo, in 25man raid, gruul, magtheridon, serpensthise carven ;] |
| 00:52.15 | Calmcacil | well thats normaly what i doo too |
| 00:52.17 | kneeki|atwork | Anyone have a link to the pit bull frames? I'm curious what they look like |
| 00:52.24 | hugo | ok i go test it ;d |
| 00:52.26 | ckknight | lemme get the forum link |
| 00:52.33 | kneeki|atwork | ckknight: thx bud |
| 00:52.49 | hugo | i heard like aguf ;p |
| 00:52.50 | ckknight | okay, I cannot stress enough that this is still an alpha addon |
| 00:52.52 | ckknight | there may be bugs |
| 00:52.59 | kneeki|atwork | Of course |
| 00:53.02 | clad|work | brb giving dog a bath. |
| 00:53.09 | hugo | lol |
| 00:53.10 | ckknight | but there's a lot of profiling work done to make it as fast as possible |
| 00:53.18 | hugo | my dogs geting bath only 2x a year |
| 00:53.20 | hugo | :P |
| 00:53.38 | ckknight | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=5456.0 <--- official topic |
| 00:53.43 | hugo | fast and easy to customise :P thts always best |
| 00:53.52 | ckknight | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=5519.0 <-- Industrial's layout, if you're into that thing |
| 00:54.40 | batrick | for anyone who cares, you can get the current date using time() |
| 00:54.56 | hugo | you know ckknight what i always miss in aguf |
| 00:55.04 | ckknight | what's that? |
| 00:55.17 | ckknight | batrick: time("%Y%m%d") |
| 00:55.20 | ckknight | and such |
| 00:55.24 | hugo | like on the frame to show either 100% or deficit like -800. but if i mouseover it to see the numbers like 5000/6000hp |
| 00:55.25 | hugo | etc |
| 00:55.36 | ckknight | hrm |
| 00:55.37 | ckknight | complex. |
| 00:55.44 | ckknight | I don't think I'll be adding that for a while |
| 00:55.48 | ckknight | :-P |
| 00:55.48 | hugo | but i need all this in raid |
| 00:55.50 | hugo | ;o |
| 00:55.59 | Calmcacil | i wouldnt mind using ClearFont if i knew how to make it look good |
| 00:55.59 | ckknight | okay, I need to eat |
| 00:56.12 | hugo | like if i need check wariors hp in raid |
| 00:56.24 | hugo | and in fight i dont want to see the nums anymore only % or deficit |
| 00:56.27 | hugo | ;p |
| 00:57.03 | hugo | or hold some button to see num, instead go to settings and change layout ;p |
| 00:57.39 | kneeki|atwork | hugo: start coding! |
| 00:57.43 | hugo | or i just give up and set target frame to show both hp and % |
| 00:57.52 | hugo | noo im too busy progressing |
| 00:57.53 | hugo | ;( |
| 00:58.08 | hugo | i cant be a day without wow :P |
| 00:58.13 | kneeki|atwork | rofl |
| 00:58.24 | hugo | coding eats time |
| 00:58.26 | hugo | bad bad |
| 00:58.32 | hugo | ;p |
| 00:58.32 | kneeki|atwork | Raid healing or AV flag camping is where I get most of my coding done =P |
| 00:58.53 | hugo | no more healing no wayyy i was healing 2years |
| 00:58.58 | hugo | now dualwield forever :) |
| 00:59.20 | hugo | but there come another joke from blizzard, tier4/5 = nerf my dps |
| 00:59.24 | kneeki|atwork | I bet you pull tons of aggro =P |
| 00:59.30 | hugo | some blue set is better then any epics |
| 00:59.33 | hugo | :| |
| 00:59.53 | hugo | not with good tank or druid, with poor one i got salvation |
| 01:00.06 | kneeki|atwork | Ah yes, I love pallys |
| 01:00.08 | hugo | and on 25man raid on boss kill with flasks i must have salvation on all time yes |
| 01:00.29 | hugo | but soon they nerf the windfury 5/4 |
| 01:00.35 | hugo | and i will be again an useless class :P |
| 01:00.37 | kneeki|atwork | ? |
| 01:00.40 | kneeki|atwork | Say huh? |
| 01:00.50 | hugo | theres a windfury bug atm |
| 01:01.02 | hugo | well since BC started blizzard know it long but still didnt fixed it |
| 01:01.03 | Corrodias | jesus christ 6,000 kbps is fast |
| 01:01.18 | hugo | you know windfury proc has 3sec cooldown |
| 01:01.20 | kneeki|atwork | Are you supposed to put Windfury on both weapons? |
| 01:01.37 | hugo | but if you use windfury 5 on MH and windfury4 on offhand |
| 01:01.44 | hugo | its diff buffs so they got diff cooldowns |
| 01:01.51 | hugo | so you can get dualwf procs |
| 01:02.02 | kneeki|atwork | So... They arn't nerfing, they are fixing? |
| 01:02.03 | hugo | thats like 20-30% dps boost |
| 01:02.26 | hugo | yeah but fixing = dw shaman will be low dps class, useless, now he's TOP |
| 01:02.39 | kneeki|atwork | rofl |
| 01:02.43 | hugo | and if you look on dw shaman, all he can do is dps, nothing to cc like roug |
| 01:02.56 | kneeki|atwork | I don't think that's how the shaman class is supposed to be operating |
| 01:02.56 | hugo | :D |
| 01:03.10 | kneeki|atwork | And A shamans weakness is CC |
| 01:03.10 | hugo | shaman class is supposed to be a 3class |
| 01:03.22 | kneeki|atwork | a 3 class? |
| 01:03.26 | kneeki|atwork | 3 classes in one? |
| 01:03.28 | hugo | aka mage, aka roug, aka priest |
| 01:03.35 | hugo | no depend on talent tree |
| 01:03.45 | hugo | like druid |
| 01:03.49 | hugo | roug, warrior, mage |
| 01:04.05 | kneeki|atwork | Mhmm |
| 01:04.09 | hugo | but blizzard can't balance it out, they will never win at this |
| 01:04.14 | kneeki|atwork | Well, not really |
| 01:04.22 | kneeki|atwork | Blizzard did perfect imo |
| 01:04.27 | hugo | always someone will be worste and someone better |
| 01:04.32 | Calmcacil | i hate blizzard |
| 01:04.39 | hugo | hmm blizzard did perfect? |
| 01:04.42 | hugo | well at resto shaman |
| 01:04.52 | hugo | elemental shaman do 100% less dmg then dw |
| 01:04.55 | Calmcacil | blizzard is mean stupid and so on :( |
| 01:04.57 | hugo | in longer fights even more |
| 01:05.07 | Calmcacil | *rants* |
| 01:05.11 | kneeki|atwork | They did not make the Shaman class to 'be like a rogue' they made the Shaman class to be like a ... Shaman, according to lore, and power level of the class |
| 01:05.12 | batrick | ckknight, it wants a table... |
| 01:05.17 | hugo | so what's perfect ;o |
| 01:05.19 | batrick | I tried using one but I get errors |
| 01:05.28 | batrick | can't seem to fix them either |
| 01:05.41 | kneeki|atwork | It's because you think you should have the dps of a rogue. When you shouldn't. Your on a compleatly different level than a rogue |
| 01:05.42 | hugo | that's nice kneeki|atwork of you, but raidleader just kick you as ele shaman for uselesssnesssssss |
| 01:05.51 | kneeki|atwork | That's not true |
| 01:05.51 | hugo | you either do a GOOD dps, or heal |
| 01:05.54 | kneeki|atwork | I am a raid leader |
| 01:06.04 | hugo | well in a progressing guild it is true :) |
| 01:06.09 | kneeki|atwork | I am also a 70 warrior, 60 shaman, 60 warlock, 62 druid, and 60 druid |
| 01:06.13 | hugo | if someone don't have dps hes out.. seey'a :D |
| 01:06.21 | JoshBorke | why 2 druids :-( |
| 01:06.26 | kneeki|atwork | Because I love druids =) |
| 01:06.33 | kneeki|atwork | my favorite class to play I think |
| 01:06.39 | kneeki|atwork | But the raid needs a main tank =( |
| 01:06.44 | hugo | everyone who play long has xxxxxxxxxxxx alt ;o |
| 01:07.00 | hugo | point is that ele shaman cant do dps |
| 01:07.08 | hugo | dw shaman can, but nerf inc too |
| 01:07.14 | kneeki|atwork | Well yeah. But that's beside the point. I'm just trying to inform you that Ele shaman can do dps, but its not the same as a mage, or warlock |
| 01:07.18 | hugo | so a hybrid class with 3 diff tree will be again just for heals |
| 01:07.20 | Calmcacil | wow europe has been shutdown for maint. now |
| 01:07.26 | kneeki|atwork | DW shaman can do dps, but its not the same as a Rogue or fury warrior |
| 01:07.30 | hugo | and that's bad |
| 01:07.34 | kneeki|atwork | It's not bad |
| 01:07.36 | kneeki|atwork | lol |
| 01:07.48 | hugo | dw shaman atm with windgury 5/4 is insane |
| 01:07.56 | hugo | it is more then mage |
| 01:07.58 | kneeki|atwork | An enhance shaman brings alot more to a raid than dps. He brings totems, which enhances the raid dps |
| 01:08.08 | hugo | only walrock and shadowpriest are front of me, good roug is same like me |
| 01:08.17 | kneeki|atwork | WF 5/4 is a bug, and its going to be fixed |
| 01:08.41 | kneeki|atwork | Relying on a bug to play your class is detremental |
| 01:08.44 | hugo | yeah + my groud get 98str totem 600ap windgury totem and 10% AP aura |
| 01:08.47 | hugo | group |
| 01:08.51 | kneeki|atwork | Yep |
| 01:09.00 | kneeki|atwork | And if you spec into them, you get more |
| 01:09.04 | hugo | kneeki|atwork you know, every existing dw shaman atm does so :]= |
| 01:09.07 | batrick | http://wowi.pastey.net/10217 |
| 01:09.18 | batrick | anyone see why I'm getting an error when i call time() |
| 01:09.18 | kneeki|atwork | =) |
| 01:09.21 | hugo | it's speced already |
| 01:09.23 | hugo | dont get more |
| 01:09.26 | hugo | ;p |
| 01:09.32 | kneeki|atwork | *shrug* |
| 01:09.34 | batrick | I get: field 'day' missing in data table |
| 01:09.37 | hugo | and again gear |
| 01:09.43 | hugo | i got all epic from kz in bank laying |
| 01:09.45 | kneeki|atwork | My point is, I don't take a Shaman to a raid because of his leet dps |
| 01:09.51 | hugo | cause the blue gear set is better |
| 01:09.56 | hugo | :( |
| 01:09.58 | kneeki|atwork | I take him because of what he can bring total. |
| 01:10.13 | hugo | yeah i got your point |
| 01:10.21 | hugo | but in progress HC guild |
| 01:10.29 | hugo | a person is leet dps, leet heal, or leet tank |
| 01:10.32 | hugo | otherwise hes out |
| 01:10.35 | hugo | you see |
| 01:10.39 | kneeki|atwork | If he cannot do his job (as a hybrid) well. I'm going to boot him - if he is not healing himself and other immediate dpsers from splash damage when the main healers are already strapped, I'm going to have a chat w/ him =P |
| 01:10.52 | hugo | hes not in raid because he can tell good jokes |
| 01:10.57 | hugo | and has high cooking |
| 01:11.38 | hugo | now im very worth healing , if we kill a boss and im 4-5th in dps in 25man |
| 01:11.47 | hugo | but after the fix they willl let me die i know :p |
| 01:12.05 | hugo | or i go play hellgate london :-( |
| 01:12.06 | kneeki|atwork | *sighs* |
| 01:12.09 | kneeki|atwork | never mind |
| 01:12.26 | hugo | kneeki i see your point |
| 01:12.45 | hugo | im just telling you that wont work on bosses where dps must have 600dps and healers heal |
| 01:12.59 | hugo | it wont work healing myselft with 0+ healing instead doing dmg |
| 01:13.07 | hugo | and it wont work be there as ele shaman with half the damage |
| 01:13.15 | hugo | so its all blizzard fault! |
| 01:13.37 | Corrodias | POOPIE |
| 01:14.47 | Nom- | heh, even i heal myself occasionally when i'm dps in Kara |
| 01:15.01 | Nom- | The fact that I usually get a heal from someone else just before mine is irrelevant ! |
| 01:16.40 | Garoun|Loupana | Hugo: I didn't read up, but you can also use Niagra if you prefer a GUI style setup for mods |
| 01:17.56 | Corrodias | i need a name for a cat that is a hunter's pet |
| 01:17.59 | Corrodias | *troll's pet |
| 01:18.04 | hugo | Niagra ? |
| 01:18.10 | hugo | no i prefer separate mods |
| 01:18.15 | hugo | hate compilations |
| 01:18.23 | Garoun|Loupana | it's not acompilation |
| 01:18.30 | kneeki|atwork | Corrodias: Igetbeat |
| 01:18.34 | Garoun|Loupana | it's a mod that lets you configure ACE2 mods with a gui rather than dropdown |
| 01:19.01 | Garoun|Loupana | similar to DeuceCommander |
| 01:19.07 | hugo | ahh |
| 01:19.13 | hugo | i use deucecommander |
| 01:19.30 | Garoun|Loupana | I've been using both lately, just because I can't decide :P |
| 01:19.58 | hugo | deucecommander works fine |
| 01:20.32 | hugo | i was using some old addon that added scrolling of chat with scroll mouse |
| 01:20.36 | hugo | now i need it back ;o |
| 01:20.37 | Garoun|Loupana | I have dropdownitis, sometimes I don't mind them, and other times it drives me batty trying to not click the wrong spot |
| 01:21.04 | hugo | niagra is something like khaos for cosmos right |
| 01:21.30 | Garoun|Loupana | dunno, I stopped cosmos really early in dev when sky was f'ing up my chat channels :) |
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| 01:21.50 | Garoun|Loupana | just think of it as DC but in a config window type view |
| 01:22.08 | ckknight | hugo: try Prat |
| 01:22.19 | ckknight | Garoun|Loupana: btw, it's Ace2, not ACE2 |
| 01:22.25 | Nom- | noooooooooooo Cairenn |
| 01:22.26 | ckknight | seems like you're screaming |
| 01:22.26 | Nom- | :~( |
| 01:22.38 | Cairenn | ? |
| 01:22.40 | ckknight | Nom-: ? |
| 01:22.43 | hugo | damn i wanted go try addons and it's mainteance ;( |
| 01:22.47 | Nom- | Cairenn: Please tell me that was an early april fool? :`( |
| 01:22.52 | Cairenn | it was |
| 01:22.59 | Nom- | Ah *phew* |
| 01:23.06 | hugo | ~prat |
| 01:23.14 | purl | i heard prat is british slang for 'A fool, idiot or objectionable person.' |
| 01:23.14 | Nom- | D'oh |
| 01:23.14 | Cairenn | scroll down, I "gotcha" at the bottom |
| 01:23.22 | zenzelezz | you tool Nom- |
| 01:23.25 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 01:23.38 | hugo | prat is som chat management |
| 01:23.39 | batrick | anyone see why I'm getting an error when i call time() |
| 01:23.42 | batrick | http://wowi.pastey.net/10217 |
| 01:23.47 | batrick | I get: field 'day' missing in data table |
| 01:24.26 | clad|work | shoudln't day be a value, not a table? |
| 01:24.29 | hugo | i know only mirc scripts, sorry ;p |
| 01:24.50 | Garoun|Loupana | sorry ck, I've been doing documentation all day and force of habit hitting Shift |
| 01:24.54 | batrick | hmm, not sure it would matter but that's probably the problem |
| 01:25.03 | clad|work | it definitely would matter |
| 01:25.12 | clad|work | the arguments to time() are very specific. |
| 01:25.23 | clad|work | http://www.lua.org/pil/22.1.html |
| 01:25.24 | clad|work | tells all |
| 01:25.26 | clad|work | as usual |
| 01:26.27 | ckknight | clad|work: no, it can't be, to think that there's actually "documentation" for these things? I thought everyone just poked around until it sorta worked |
| 01:26.27 | Nom- | Oh dear god: http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/food/2006-06-23-cheeseburger-usat_x.htm |
| 01:26.28 | batrick | that was it, thanks cladhaire |
| 01:26.40 | Nom- | It would take an american to come up with that |
| 01:26.44 | ckknight | lol |
| 01:27.08 | clad|work | heh |
| 01:28.48 | Nom- | .Cheeseburger doughnuts. The Gateway Grizzlies, an independent baseball league team in Sauget, Ill., started selling "Baseball's Best Burger" this month: a $4.50 cheeseburger with two strips of bacon grilled between a sliced Krispy Kreme doughnut. (The glazed sides are flipped to the inside for less mess.) |
| 01:28.56 | Nom- | That is so wrong on so many levels... |
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| 01:32.33 | hugo | how long is maintenace ? ;o |
| 01:32.47 | Nom- | You mean the servers are still down?? |
| 01:32.53 | hugo | yeah |
| 01:33.00 | Nom- | They should have been up like hours ago |
| 01:33.05 | hugo | im eu |
| 01:33.08 | Nom- | Or are you in European realms? |
| 01:33.09 | Nom- | ahhhhh |
| 01:33.20 | Nom- | well it was 3:00am to 11:00am for US Realms |
| 01:33.23 | hugo | its 30min now since shutdown |
| 01:33.25 | Nom- | It's patch day... |
| 01:33.30 | hugo | oh noes |
| 01:33.43 | hugo | i wanted test many addons |
| 01:33.49 | hugo | now i forgot witch one till tomorrow |
| 01:33.53 | hugo | and will load all of them ;o |
| 01:34.21 | Nom- | They've now fixed the "bug" which allows you free hearths |
| 01:34.28 | Nom- | About time, I guess |
| 01:34.32 | Industrial | :O? |
| 01:34.38 | hugo | free what ? ;o |
| 01:34.40 | Industrial | lol |
| 01:34.48 | Shirik | the unstuck feature |
| 01:34.52 | Industrial | oh |
| 01:34.52 | hugo | ahh |
| 01:34.55 | hugo | no way;( |
| 01:35.00 | hugo | i used it so much on alts |
| 01:35.00 | Nom- | You could use the customer service auto-unstuck for a free hearth every 5 minutes |
| 01:35.25 | hugo | atleast shaman don't need it, astral recall is best ;) |
| 01:35.42 | Nom- | Yeah, but 30 mins vs 5 mins... |
| 01:35.43 | subbawt | :( |
| 01:35.47 | subbawt | i was using it ALL the time |
| 01:35.54 | subbawt | to monopolize all the black lotus spawns |
| 01:35.56 | zenzelezz | I hated that exploit |
| 01:36.03 | Nom- | I used it a grand total of 4(?) times' |
| 01:36.04 | hugo | hmm not much changes |
| 01:36.12 | zenzelezz | does that fix affect the instance hearth? |
| 01:36.16 | hugo | astral recall is 15min |
| 01:36.17 | Nom- | And one of those was because I was legitimately stuck |
| 01:36.27 | Nom- | zenzelezz: Not likely |
| 01:36.35 | Bleeter | i get the feeling it was more to adress the OSX OGL than the other stuff... easy backportable fixes from 2.1.0 probably |
| 01:36.50 | hugo | shaman is best at transporting now with hs to shattrath and epic flyer ;d |
| 01:37.12 | subbawt | i don't know.. mages can port to shattrath any time they like |
| 01:37.13 | zenzelezz | all this talk of easy transportation makes me miss my fixer back in Anarchy Online |
| 01:37.20 | Nom- | Yeah, I get my alts summoned to Shattrath now |
| 01:37.27 | Nom- | So much easier to travel anywhere |
| 01:37.41 | Nom- | My mage is the only one who doesn't, because he can teleport there instead |
| 01:37.46 | hugo | well mage is mage, i dont count mages into transporting ;] |
| 01:37.48 | hugo | they cheat |
| 01:37.59 | hugo | but still a shaman with 15min hs cooldown is cool |
| 01:38.31 | hugo | and yes all my alts in shattrath saved too :D |
| 01:39.00 | hugo | only bad is when i came with my 52priest to learn primal mooncloth specialization |
| 01:39.08 | hugo | and then figured out i need to be 60 :Ox |
| 01:39.10 | zenzelezz | Atiesh? Oh, no problem... farm Naxxramas for a bunch of weeks for the splinters, take down C'thun and Kel'Thuzad... surely worth the effort... |
| 01:39.35 | Nom- | zenzelezz: Given we're going to farm Naxx anyway |
| 01:39.45 | hugo | must be pretty easy now |
| 01:39.46 | zenzelezz | why would you do that? |
| 01:39.49 | Nom- | Well we're at least going to give it a few weeks to experience to content and build some teamwork |
| 01:39.57 | hugo | i've seen an orgrimmar "pickup" raid to kill 6bosses ;d |
| 01:39.59 | Nom- | zenzelezz: Because Naxx gear is at least as good as level 70 blues |
| 01:40.22 | Nom- | I'm actually tempted to take my mage in there |
| 01:40.33 | Nom- | Would make levelling so much easier |
| 01:40.39 | Nom- | (I'll get him to 70 one day) |
| 01:40.48 | zenzelezz | I can't speak for other classes, but my warrior replaced lots of stuff |
| 01:40.59 | hugo | well gear is fun in bc |
| 01:41.05 | Nom- | Yeah, warrior you would probably replace a lot |
| 01:41.10 | hugo | for example shadow priest, most his endgame equip is from tailoring |
| 01:41.15 | Nom- | But cloth, leather and mail....they can get a LOT from Naxx |
| 01:41.21 | hugo | and not better armor in 25man raid |
| 01:41.25 | hugo | :D |
| 01:41.36 | Nom- | If you're going to farm Primal Nether, sure that's probably going to get you better gear |
| 01:41.38 | zenzelezz | I dislike the loot tables for Kharazan :-| Just doesn't feel worth it to go there, except for one or two items |
| 01:41.42 | Nom- | But I said level 70 BLUES |
| 01:41.46 | Nom- | Not fukn epix |
| 01:42.02 | hugo | slave pens or underbog is easy for anyone |
| 01:42.07 | Nom- | Besides, it's content our guild has never attempted |
| 01:42.11 | Nom- | So it'll be nice to give it a go |
| 01:42.12 | hugo | tailoring is too unbalanced |
| 01:42.14 | hugo | too good |
| 01:42.27 | hugo | yeah naxx is fun |
| 01:42.53 | hugo | we got now opened both serpenthise and tempest keep so we got our fun now ;s |
| 01:43.14 | zenzelezz | is the loot in those actually worth the effort? |
| 01:43.17 | hugo | i just don't like the enouncter like phoenix god, geting new resist equips again |
| 01:43.32 | hugo | i don't like resist sets, take space in bank, it's bad |
| 01:43.38 | zenzelezz | had plenty of guildies lol at the T4, rather keeping their other items |
| 01:43.54 | hugo | they should atleast add resist set slots to character screen so you dont have to keep them in bank/inventory |
| 01:44.09 | hugo | just switch like sets 1-4 on the flay |
| 01:44.13 | hugo | fly* |
| 01:44.28 | hugo | well the loot in these is tier5 |
| 01:44.34 | Shadowed | At least they learned from MC, BWL and AQ40 that people don't like farming for stupidly hard to obtain resist items |
| 01:44.48 | zenzelezz | true Shadowed |
| 01:45.06 | hugo | yeah now you rather farm 100badges from heroic instances to buy fire resist equip |
| 01:45.06 | hugo | ;p |
| 01:45.17 | zenzelezz | why? The crafted Aldor is decent enough |
| 01:45.18 | Shadowed | I'd rather farm an instance thats relative to my level then hoping cores drop, or farming maraudon |
| 01:45.32 | Shadowed | and you can get crafted FR, the heroic token ones is just better last I checked |
| 01:45.43 | hugo | yeah |
| 01:45.55 | hugo | we got it as must |
| 01:46.01 | hugo | everyone must buy better |
| 01:46.15 | zenzelezz | better than the crafted? |
| 01:46.24 | hugo | yes |
| 01:46.40 | hugo | this encounter is only good for mages |
| 01:46.41 | zenzelezz | well, I can see the point, but I'd rather miss out on content than stay with a guild with those rules |
| 01:46.46 | Nom- | T4 is good for Paladins :) |
| 01:46.49 | hugo | who has the resist talent in arcane, must be fund :D |
| 01:46.50 | Shadowed | Right but |
| 01:46.55 | Nom- | Mainly coz we don't have T1-3 to fall back on :P |
| 01:46.57 | hugo | full mana |
| 01:46.59 | Shadowed | you aren't *required* to get the heroic items and you can always get the crafted |
| 01:47.09 | Nom- | In fact, almost all Hybrids benefit from T4 |
| 01:47.19 | Nom- | Previously all the Tier sets were healing only |
| 01:47.22 | Nom- | Now there's actually a choice :) |
| 01:47.30 | Shadowed | s/*required*/required by the game/ |
| 01:47.36 | hugo | not true, melee shaman tier4 is useless |
| 01:47.44 | hugo | the blue set from 5man is way, way better |
| 01:47.51 | Nom- | I doubt it's useless |
| 01:48.05 | hugo | you really have the rights to doubt :) |
| 01:48.22 | Nom- | You a horde shaman? |
| 01:48.39 | hugo | i got the blue set, i got also all mail drops from karazham, and i know t4 |
| 01:48.54 | hugo | and the blue set is better then both, karaham epic, and tier4 |
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| 01:49.04 | hugo | only think i miss is chest from nightbane that one i take ;o |
| 01:49.12 | hugo | yes Nom- |
| 01:49.37 | Nom- | The T4 set looks good to me... |
| 01:49.42 | hugo | but for resto the tier4 is good |
| 01:49.43 | Nom- | Got all the right stats in the right places |
| 01:49.54 | hugo | for melee shaman ? |
| 01:49.57 | hugo | not really ;] |
| 01:49.59 | Nom- | Yea |
| 01:50.20 | hugo | http://www.wowhead.com/?search=desolation |
| 01:50.27 | hugo | here, compare it |
| 01:50.54 | hugo | try compare the gloves, and legs |
| 01:50.57 | hugo | with tier4 |
| 01:51.00 | kneeki|atwork | hugo: what's the most important melee stat for a dual weilder? ;) |
| 01:51.18 | hugo | str, (atackpower) and then crit |
| 01:51.27 | hugo | consider that you got round 170hit that's fine |
| 01:51.28 | ckknight | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWHdG3Dyg4g <--- Australia |
| 01:51.58 | kneeki|atwork | O.o |
| 01:52.10 | hugo | just two items of this set add 35hit, and the stats way better then tier4 ;] |
| 01:52.33 | hugo | you need str/ap +crit/+hit and stamina |
| 01:52.56 | kergoth | whats the minimum hit rating necessary for a dw shaman at 70, before pushing more toward other attributes? mine is at 65, still working on it :) |
| 01:52.59 | ckknight | watch my youtube video |
| 01:53.02 | ckknight | it's funny |
| 01:53.03 | Nom- | well desolation has no str at all |
| 01:53.06 | ckknight | at least it's supposed to be |
| 01:53.25 | hugo | kergoth mine;s 170 i was trying with 143 but 170way better |
| 01:53.27 | kneeki|atwork | Is that you ckk? |
| 01:53.32 | ckknight | yea |
| 01:53.39 | hugo | with 65 you hit nothing much to a 73 |
| 01:53.55 | kneeki|atwork | I imagined you much older |
| 01:54.00 | kneeki|atwork | much much much older |
| 01:54.05 | hugo | Nom- str and ap is the same, 1str = 2ap |
| 01:54.20 | ckknight | I'm 19 |
| 01:54.20 | hugo | let me go watch ;o |
| 01:54.39 | ckknight | it's satire |
| 01:54.45 | Nom- | so T4 has more AP |
| 01:54.46 | kneeki|atwork | lol yeah. its pretty funny =) |
| 01:54.52 | ckknight | I have another video as well, http://www.youtube.com/southernjesse |
| 01:55.01 | Nom- | more agility, more stamina, 4 less intellect |
| 01:55.02 | kneeki|atwork | Austria. haha |
| 01:55.04 | ckknight | I'm releasing one a week |
| 01:55.24 | Nom- | it has spell power to help with your shocks etc |
| 01:55.34 | Nom- | I don't see how Desolation is better in any way |
| 01:55.44 | hugo | lol |
| 01:55.48 | hugo | no you really dont ;) |
| 01:55.59 | hugo | shock is 15%dps |
| 01:56.03 | hugo | melee is 85% |
| 01:56.38 | hugo | im really tired to tell u all by detail |
| 01:56.44 | hugo | if you can't compare by you selft |
| 01:56.49 | Nom- | sorry, but at the end of the day, the T4 set beats it :) |
| 01:56.57 | kneeki|atwork | I agree with Nom- |
| 01:57.01 | hugo | the t4 is way worse |
| 01:57.11 | zenzelezz | it's a matter of opinion, everyone is right/wrong |
| 01:57.24 | ckknight | except you |
| 01:57.28 | hugo | for first it's 1) math |
| 01:57.29 | Nom- | T4 is *slightly* (very slightly) more general purpose |
| 01:57.33 | hugo | that's a fact |
| 01:57.34 | hugo | ;p |
| 01:57.38 | hugo | there no opinion |
| 01:57.39 | zenzelezz | correct ck, I exist on a higher plane |
| 01:57.39 | hugo | just math |
| 01:57.42 | Nom- | at the end of the day it's a better overall set |
| 01:57.44 | kneeki|atwork | zenzelezz: opinion's can be wrong |
| 01:57.52 | zenzelezz | no |
| 01:57.52 | ckknight | precisely. |
| 01:57.58 | hugo | it aint better ;D |
| 01:58.07 | hugo | and overall its much worst |
| 01:58.11 | zenzelezz | actions can be wrong, but opinions can't |
| 01:58.23 | Nom- | as far as I can see, the only differnece between those two sets as far as melee skills is that the dungeon set has more +hit and +crit |
| 01:58.29 | Nom- | Woop-de-doo |
| 01:58.45 | Nom- | That's what gems, enchants and the REST of your gear is for |
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| 01:59.15 | hugo | thats whar the armor stats + gems are for |
| 01:59.17 | kneeki|atwork | zenzelezz, it's my opinion that north america is actually below the equator, and the earth rotates the moon due to the moon being smaller, therefor having a more condensed and higher concentration of gravity. Is my opinion right or wrong? |
| 01:59.23 | hugo | otherwise you gimp your damage way down |
| 01:59.45 | Shirik | Technically, kneeki|atwork, that is correct |
| 01:59.46 | zenzelezz | kneeki|atwork: no, it isn't right or wrong |
| 01:59.55 | Shirik | It's dependent upon your frame of reference |
| 01:59.59 | kneeki|atwork | lol |
| 02:00.04 | Corrodias | that's not an opinion |
| 02:00.07 | Shirik | From the frame of reference of the moon, the earth does indeed revolve around the moon |
| 02:00.19 | Shirik | From the frame of reference of australia, North America is indeed below the equator |
| 02:00.41 | kneeki|atwork | not exactly what I was trying to prove |
| 02:00.45 | kneeki|atwork | but ok |
| 02:00.46 | Calmcacil | mmmm... talking about nerfing heartstone >: |
| 02:00.47 | Shirik | =P |
| 02:00.55 | Shirik | General relativity :) |
| 02:00.59 | Shirik | <3 Physics |
| 02:01.04 | kneeki|atwork | It's my opinion that opinions can be wrong. ;) |
| 02:01.10 | Shirik | ow |
| 02:01.24 | kneeki|atwork | lol |
| 02:01.25 | hugo | ok gauntlets, 48ap 16hit 22sta, blue ones 64ap 17crit 25sta |
| 02:01.30 | hugo | ok this was just gauntlets |
| 02:01.37 | hugo | now i can continue with all other pieces |
| 02:02.10 | hugo | and it's blue gear from5man dung ;d |
| 02:02.36 | kneeki|atwork | hugo, if your so convinced that blue is better, then don't roll/bid on tier 4? |
| 02:03.49 | hugo | look Nom- you can hate me or whatever, im not talking here about whats better, im just telling you as fact, cause i calculated all diff armors, and all dw shamans on US forums all same results as me (the ones that has same access to items like me) only the 2 remaining 25man dungeons are mystyery now, all other discovered |
| 02:04.11 | hugo | kneeki|atwork i really dont bid on tier4 our two resto shamans has t4 |
| 02:04.19 | hugo | cause its useless for me |
| 02:04.40 | hugo | got blue set and wist/wrist/boots from karazham (epic) |
| 02:06.58 | hugo | enought talk of shaman, it always tires me ;D |
| 02:06.58 | hugo | lets talk bout ckknight movie ;p |
| 02:06.58 | ckknight | hehe |
| 02:06.58 | hugo | i suck at listening to english tho :( |
| 02:07.00 | kneeki|atwork | So does jesus |
| 02:07.00 | kneeki|atwork | lawl |
| 02:07.01 | hugo | i dont get it with the picture ;o |
| 02:07.01 | hugo | fruits, vegetables etc ;o |
| 02:07.39 | kneeki|atwork | Well, i prayed for many things growing up, and never got any of them. So, I came to the conclusion that Jesus doesn't speak english, which solves all my problems. |
| 02:08.04 | kneeki|atwork | well, solves isn't the right word. |
| 02:08.11 | hugo | i spea only Czech, English i can only read/write as i learned from internet ;o |
| 02:08.26 | kneeki|atwork | Ah |
| 02:08.29 | kneeki|atwork | good ole internet |
| 02:08.38 | hugo | yeah :D |
| 02:08.38 | kneeki|atwork | Chech = russian? |
| 02:08.43 | kneeki|atwork | err, Czech |
| 02:08.46 | hugo | no |
| 02:08.49 | hugo | russian is russian |
| 02:08.56 | hugo | Czech = Czech |
| 02:08.57 | kneeki|atwork | oh |
| 02:08.58 | hugo | ^^ |
| 02:08.59 | kneeki|atwork | well |
| 02:09.03 | kneeki|atwork | thanks for clarifying |
| 02:09.11 | zenzelezz | it is a common misconception that all former Soviet countries speak Russian |
| 02:09.14 | hugo | it was Czechoslovakia in old days |
| 02:09.19 | hugo | split in two, Czech and Slovak |
| 02:09.28 | ckknight | hugo: do you not have the food pyramid in the Czech. Republic? |
| 02:09.28 | Nom- | ckknight: Is that video you? |
| 02:09.34 | ckknight | yes, Nom- |
| 02:09.41 | hugo | no pyramid here ;o |
| 02:09.43 | kneeki|atwork | Nom-, I said the same thing |
| 02:09.48 | kneeki|atwork | said = asked |
| 02:09.50 | ckknight | hugo: it's a pretty standard pop culture reference in America |
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| 02:09.56 | zenzelezz | ckknight: the food pyramid is something you learn in what, fifth grade, and forget by the sixth :-o |
| 02:10.02 | kneeki|atwork | lol |
| 02:10.02 | ckknight | hugo: has all the parts you're supposed to eat |
| 02:10.04 | Nom- | lol ckknight |
| 02:10.11 | Nom- | I assume these are meant to be humerous :D |
| 02:10.16 | ckknight | zenzelezz: true, and manipulated by the dairy industry up the wazoo |
| 02:10.19 | ckknight | Nom-: yes, |
| 02:10.20 | ckknight | they are. |
| 02:10.22 | hugo | we dont have pyramid :P |
| 02:10.29 | kneeki|atwork | Hmm |
| 02:10.30 | zenzelezz | "Cows have only been domesticated for 8000 years" |
| 02:10.38 | kneeki|atwork | zomg |
| 02:10.44 | hugo | but we do got mcdonalds and kfc |
| 02:10.46 | kneeki|atwork | how did the human race survive w/o cows? |
| 02:10.59 | zenzelezz | no-one recognize the line? |
| 02:11.06 | kneeki|atwork | ... what did cows even do before we started eating them? |
| 02:11.12 | Nom- | lol |
| 02:11.17 | hugo | they we're gods |
| 02:11.19 | ckknight | kneeki|atwork: they were called buffalo |
| 02:11.20 | hugo | before |
| 02:11.22 | ckknight | :-P |
| 02:11.22 | kneeki|atwork | stupid cows, they all deserve to be eaten |
| 02:11.47 | hugo | and one day, someone killed and eated the cow's god |
| 02:11.52 | hugo | so they start to eat them all |
| 02:12.09 | kneeki|atwork | for some reason ( i dont know why ) when i see a hunting show on TV, i hope that the hunters get beat by the bear they have been stalking all day |
| 02:12.40 | kneeki|atwork | like, bow or gun hunting especially |
| 02:12.46 | hugo | try to kill a black rabbit |
| 02:12.49 | kneeki|atwork | i really want those people to get injured some way fierce |
| 02:12.57 | hugo | anyone played Asheron's Call ? :P level 666 rabbit |
| 02:13.01 | kneeki|atwork | hugo, try to catch the white rabbit |
| 02:13.03 | zenzelezz | with sharp pointy teeth :-K |
| 02:13.05 | Nom- | ckknight: Is that your actual accent, or putting it on? |
| 02:13.22 | ckknight | putting it on, I speak like a Midwesterner |
| 02:13.41 | Nom- | k, i dunno how a midwesterner speaks, but kk :) |
| 02:13.52 | hugo | for me its just english |
| 02:13.55 | hugo | easy ;o |
| 02:13.59 | Nom- | Coz it did sound like you were trying a bit hard ^_^ |
| 02:14.12 | kneeki|atwork | ckknight doesn't try. He does. |
| 02:14.14 | Nom- | brb getting coffee |
| 02:14.15 | kneeki|atwork | lawl |
| 02:14.21 | hugo | btw do UK speak diff then US ? |
| 02:14.24 | hugo | or they speak same |
| 02:14.35 | kneeki|atwork | no idea |
| 02:14.36 | hugo | they both same english arent they |
| 02:14.40 | zenzelezz | no |
| 02:14.41 | kneeki|atwork | i think so |
| 02:14.44 | zenzelezz | American is American |
| 02:14.52 | hugo | its still english |
| 02:14.53 | zenzelezz | they have things like aluminum and nucular |
| 02:14.56 | hugo | i dont see a diff ;o |
| 02:15.09 | hugo | atleast all subtitles same |
| 02:15.13 | kneeki|atwork | lol |
| 02:15.16 | hugo | :D |
| 02:15.19 | hugo | rofl |
| 02:15.21 | kneeki|atwork | its all jibberish to me |
| 02:15.27 | kneeki|atwork | stupid jibba jabba |
| 02:15.42 | hugo | who seen the movie: hills have eyes |
| 02:15.47 | hugo | reminds me of what zenzelezz said |
| 02:16.02 | kneeki|atwork | yep |
| 02:16.10 | kneeki|atwork | Hills have eyes = hilarious |
| 02:16.19 | ckknight | no way, UK is totally different than US |
| 02:16.21 | hugo | there was pretty much craters from nuclear testing |
| 02:16.25 | ckknight | they have their own dialect |
| 02:16.44 | hugo | like what |
| 02:16.50 | hugo | they write same but speak diff you mean |
| 02:16.53 | hugo | ? |
| 02:16.56 | zenzelezz | mostly, yes |
| 02:16.57 | Tem | wait wait |
| 02:16.59 | ckknight | mostly |
| 02:17.01 | Tem | you can't tell the difference? |
| 02:17.02 | hugo | i see |
| 02:17.05 | zenzelezz | there are some words that are different |
| 02:17.12 | hugo | you can't write different prolly |
| 02:17.13 | Tem | I've been wonding about this |
| 02:17.17 | ckknight | Britons add extra 'u's to words |
| 02:17.18 | zenzelezz | what was that old joke, let me find it... |
| 02:17.27 | ckknight | colour vs. color |
| 02:17.35 | Tem | can you not hear the difference in accent if you don't speak english? |
| 02:17.37 | kneeki|atwork | color =~ colour? |
| 02:17.39 | zenzelezz | "Americans have different ways of saying things. They say 'elevator', we say 'lift'... they say 'President', we say 'stupid psychopathic git'..." |
| 02:17.58 | ckknight | kneeki|atwork: colour is British English, color is American English |
| 02:18.00 | kneeki|atwork | Color (or colour, see spelling differences) is the visual perceptual property corresponding in humans to the categories called red, yellow, white, etc. |
| 02:18.16 | hugo | for me color = barva |
| 02:18.17 | hugo | Oo |
| 02:18.18 | kneeki|atwork | Ah, like ebonics but British style |
| 02:18.49 | kneeki|atwork | it would be nice if the whole world spoke the same language |
| 02:18.55 | hugo | and do you say like good day , or you just say hello to everyone |
| 02:18.56 | ckknight | African-American Vernacular English, thank you. |
| 02:19.12 | hugo | we say hello - cau to peeps we know good and, good day - dobry den to peeps we dont know ;o |
| 02:19.12 | Bleeter | then there's the whole tought/teached stuff |
| 02:19.14 | ckknight | hugo: hello or hey is the typical Northern US greeting |
| 02:19.15 | kneeki|atwork | hugo, i say move and shaddup |
| 02:19.32 | hugo | so u say hello even to someone u dont know |
| 02:19.36 | kneeki|atwork | yep |
| 02:19.38 | hugo | or i older then u |
| 02:19.42 | Shirik | "yo sup my homie g" |
| 02:19.45 | Shirik | that's northern us |
| 02:19.47 | hugo | lol |
| 02:20.20 | Shirik | specifically new england |
| 02:20.20 | hugo | thats black |
| 02:20.20 | kneeki|atwork | we say hello to any/everyone, regardless of sex/race |
| 02:20.20 | hugo | homie |
| 02:20.20 | zenzelezz | be careful about saying "good day" to English-speakers |
| 02:20.20 | zenzelezz | it has a quite different meaning than you might expect |
| 02:20.21 | kneeki|atwork | good day = insult. |
| 02:20.21 | Shirik | good day = bad day? |
| 02:20.23 | kneeki|atwork | at least it should be... |
| 02:20.23 | hugo | haha no way |
| 02:20.25 | hugo | ?;p |
| 02:20.25 | Bleeter | particularly if you're a seppo trying to say it to an aussie =) |
| 02:20.30 | zenzelezz | it's true hugo |
| 02:20.35 | Bleeter | 'coz 99.9% of the time, they fail |
| 02:20.40 | Tem | look up Singrish |
| 02:20.44 | kneeki|atwork | sarcasm is rampant in america =( |
| 02:20.47 | Shirik | Why would "good day" be an insult? |
| 02:20.50 | Tem | now that's some funny engrish |
| 02:20.56 | hugo | woot, downloading upgrade |
| 02:21.03 | zenzelezz | Shirik: cultural evolution, whatever... it just is |
| 02:21.05 | kneeki|atwork | Shirik, i said it should be an insult. to make my day more interesting |
| 02:21.12 | hugo | btw Shirik i know black language from GTA ;p |
| 02:21.13 | Bleeter | Shirik: same reason 'man, that's bad' meaning 'wow, awesomely cool' |
| 02:21.16 | zenzelezz | it's the thing you say before you slam the door in someone's face, or similar |
| 02:21.17 | Shirik | owowow |
| 02:21.19 | hugo | ya now homie |
| 02:21.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | beep boop i am a robot |
| 02:21.22 | hugo | ;p |
| 02:21.22 | Shirik | so many beeps and yellow text >< |
| 02:21.24 | Tem | it's not always an insult, but it can easily be used when blowing someone off |
| 02:21.25 | kneeki|atwork | haha |
| 02:21.29 | kneeki|atwork | ba beep beep? |
| 02:21.34 | kneeki|atwork | beep beep ima jeep |
| 02:21.50 | hugo | you now what im sayin' homie? |
| 02:21.57 | hugo | ;d |
| 02:22.20 | Shirik | oh I get it now |
| 02:22.26 | Shirik | like in willy wonka |
| 02:22.28 | Shirik | at the end |
| 02:22.36 | Shirik | he says "Good day, sir!" |
| 02:22.40 | Tem | yes |
| 02:22.41 | kneeki|atwork | That man liked to be around little boys |
| 02:23.14 | kneeki|atwork | ... jeez I need coffee... I'm saying some stupid shit |
| 02:23.25 | hugo | im geting upgrade :P |
| 02:23.32 | kneeki|atwork | upgrade? |
| 02:23.36 | hugo | patch |
| 02:23.39 | kneeki|atwork | Oh |
| 02:23.41 | hugo | 2.0.12 |
| 02:23.47 | kneeki|atwork | O.o |
| 02:23.50 | hugo | wee download complete |
| 02:23.53 | Calmcacil | oh the new patch being implemented? |
| 02:23.54 | kneeki|atwork | I thought it was 2.1.0 was the next patch |
| 02:24.04 | Gngsk | it's a bugfix patch |
| 02:24.08 | kneeki|atwork | Oh |
| 02:24.12 | kneeki|atwork | link patch notes? |
| 02:24.14 | hugo | yeah atleast on eu |
| 02:24.21 | zenzelezz | kneeki|atwork: go to WoWI :-p |
| 02:24.26 | hugo | some Mac fixes, and auto unstuck nerf |
| 02:24.37 | hugo | +35hit and 160ap on hit set bonuses |
| 02:24.41 | kneeki|atwork | Ahh |
| 02:24.43 | kneeki|atwork | boo |
| 02:24.44 | hugo | wrong clipboard |
| 02:24.57 | Bleeter | http://worldofwarcraft.com/patchnotes/ |
| 02:25.00 | Nom- | pfft |
| 02:25.09 | Nom- | Good Day has no negative connotations in Australia. |
| 02:25.26 | Nom- | The national greeting is G'day, and guess what it's short for :P |
| 02:25.30 | ckknight | that's cause it's G'day |
| 02:25.30 | Calmcacil | wow europe is in ext. maint. |
| 02:25.32 | ckknight | lol |
| 02:25.35 | Bleeter | 'cept identifying the speaker as a foreigner ;) |
| 02:25.47 | Bleeter | thusly a target of much amusement |
| 02:25.47 | hugo | hmm but realms still down ;( |
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| 02:26.01 | hugo | damnit |
| 02:26.07 | hugo | i wil be forced to go sleep ;o |
| 02:26.21 | Nom- | They're going to be down for like 8 hours, hugo |
| 02:26.26 | Nom- | Ot |
| 02:26.31 | Nom- | It's extended maintance for patch day |
| 02:26.34 | hugo | i go to work in 8 |
| 02:26.59 | kneeki|atwork | Oh wow |
| 02:27.03 | kneeki|atwork | Carieen is quitting? |
| 02:27.10 | zenzelezz | ... |
| 02:27.11 | kneeki|atwork | I should scroll down more often -_- |
| 02:27.32 | hugo | ? |
| 02:27.34 | zenzelezz | the Jack Thompson part didn't sound fishy either? |
| 02:27.47 | kneeki|atwork | oh damnit |
| 02:27.53 | kneeki|atwork | yeah, i just read the whole thing |
| 02:28.03 | kneeki|atwork | Cairenn, that was cruel |
| 02:28.16 | zenzelezz | for what it's worth, Nom- did the same mistake a few hours ago :-p |
| 02:28.18 | kneeki|atwork | I want a signed poster, asap to make up for the distress you just caused me |
| 02:28.18 | Shirik | It's ok kneeki|atwork |
| 02:28.30 | Shirik | I read it when she didn't say it was april fools |
| 02:28.35 | kneeki|atwork | rofl |
| 02:28.38 | Cairenn | lol |
| 02:28.47 | Shirik | And dealt with it for the next 4 hours |
| 02:28.56 | Shirik | until someone reminded me during class that it was april fools |
| 02:29.04 | kneeki|atwork | I hate april fools |
| 02:29.04 | Shirik | then I got on IRC rather irate >< |
| 02:29.06 | kneeki|atwork | so much |
| 02:29.27 | zenzelezz | I make sure not to believe anything posted +/- 12 hours of 1st April |
| 02:29.36 | hugo | why april is fun |
| 02:29.39 | kneeki|atwork | rofl |
| 02:29.49 | kneeki|atwork | hugo, april fools kills orphans. Tell your friends |
| 02:30.05 | hugo | my friend did a phone call to girlfriend he won in lottery and she spend halft her monthly fee, it's fun ;p |
| 02:30.12 | ckknight | we had a fun Ace3 thing for April 1st |
| 02:30.19 | Shirik | ah, here's what happened |
| 02:30.23 | Shirik | (16:12:01) ‹Shirik› CAIRENN I HATE YOU |
| 02:30.23 | Shirik | (16:12:03) ‹Shirik› DAMN IT |
| 02:30.23 | Shirik | (16:12:14) ‹Shirik› I just figured out it was April 1st |
| 02:30.32 | kneeki|atwork | lol |
| 02:30.33 | hugo | oh ace3 giev |
| 02:30.34 | hugo | ;p |
| 02:30.43 | Shirik | so you weren't the only one |
| 02:30.48 | ckknight | lemme get the link |
| 02:30.49 | hugo | the black temple was good joke too |
| 02:30.54 | kneeki|atwork | lol aye |
| 02:30.54 | Shirik | it was |
| 02:30.55 | Cairenn | actually, I really got people because I (very deliberately) posted it on March 31 |
| 02:30.59 | zenzelezz | should've rather said you were merging with Cosmos or something |
| 02:31.26 | kneeki|atwork | mmk, I'm gonna head home. See ya'll later! |
| 02:31.30 | zenzelezz | Cairenn: thus my +/- 12 hours suspiciousness, people like to do that these days |
| 02:31.37 | hugo | later kneki |
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| 02:31.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | i still stick with cair should have changed her n\ame to JackThompson :p |
| 02:31.44 | Cairenn | Ctacemos is old news |
| 02:31.51 | zenzelezz | that said, I still had to read until the Jack Thompson part before I really got it |
| 02:31.56 | ckknight | Ace3: http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=5506.0 |
| 02:32.24 | zenzelezz | Cosmace would sound better |
| 02:32.27 | zenzelezz | every paladin would want one |
| 02:33.40 | hugo | ;ds |
| 02:33.54 | hugo | http://img441.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ace3deletebs0.png |
| 02:33.55 | hugo | lol |
| 02:33.56 | Shadowed | err' |
| 02:34.03 | Shadowed | ckknight: Wont Ace3 be horribly bloated? |
| 02:34.18 | Shadowed | (just from what i read on the wowace wiki page) |
| 02:34.31 | Tem | [APRIL FOOLS] |
| 02:34.35 | hugo | lol |
| 02:34.35 | Gryphen | lol |
| 02:34.39 | hugo | gg Shadowed |
| 02:34.54 | Shadowed | that makes more sense >_> |
| 02:34.57 | Shadowed | skimming = bad |
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| 02:35.17 | zenzelezz | we've only been talking about April Fools for the last 15 minutes, easy to forget |
| 02:35.45 | Shadowed | It is when you're not paying much attention and playing WoW :p |
| 02:35.54 | zenzelezz | excuses |
| 02:37.35 | Nom- | hmmm |
| 02:37.45 | Nom- | Windows Vista arrives today ^_^ |
| 02:37.52 | Nom- | Along with an extra 1GB RAM ^_^ |
| 02:38.01 | Nom- | </TopicChanger> |
| 02:38.17 | Shadowed | Also question regarding the TOS and mods with external files |
| 02:38.19 | Shadowed | </TopicChanger> |
| 02:39.02 | Shadowed | As long as we don't modify something regarding how the player interacts with the game, like a speed hack is it fine? eg making something that reads from SavedVariables, requests data from a site and then saves it to Interface/Addons/Data.lua to be loaded into the game at /console reloadui |
| 02:39.10 | Shadowed | (I assume it is, but checking) |
| 02:40.16 | Tem | yeah |
| 02:40.25 | Shadowed | alright good |
| 02:42.23 | Nom- | Except |
| 02:42.37 | Nom- | a /console reloadui overwrites all saved data files as far as i've seen |
| 02:42.44 | Shadowed | correct |
| 02:42.53 | Shadowed | Read data from SavedVariabels, save data to AddOns/Data.lua |
| 02:42.54 | Nom- | So if you modify them while the game is running it'll overwrite them when you /reloadui |
| 02:43.10 | Nom- | oh, rite |
| 02:43.13 | Nom- | Yeah, fair enough |
| 02:44.25 | sysrage | ok it seems there's quite a few enchant search mods.. enchantbot, enchantlist.. any suggestions? |
| 02:46.39 | Corrodias | wowhead.com. |
| 02:48.35 | sysrage | they are mods so ppl can whisper me and find out what enchants i have |
| 02:48.48 | sysrage | and i don't have to waste tons of time looking them up to tell mats to guildies |
| 02:49.23 | hugo | cyCircled is ace right ? |
| 02:50.45 | sysrage | yes |
| 02:50.50 | hugo | weird |
| 02:50.56 | hugo | i can't see it in wowaceupdater |
| 02:51.09 | hugo | but i can see it in http://files.wowace.com/ |
| 02:51.13 | Nom- | sysrage: I'm pretty sure there is...there's one for gems for sure |
| 02:51.19 | hugo | witch indexes files.wowace.com ? |
| 02:51.26 | ckknight | which |
| 02:51.32 | hugo | ;p |
| 02:52.19 | hugo | ckknight it looks to me that list of addons in wowaceupdater is different then http://files.wowace.com/ ? |
| 02:52.28 | ckknight | I don't use wowaceupdater |
| 02:52.46 | hugo | i do all time ;D |
| 02:52.57 | hugo | now i found out the lists are not same |
| 02:53.04 | hugo | i tought it uses http://files.wowace.com/ |
| 02:53.18 | sysrage | nom: i know there is. was just wondering if anybody wanted to suggest a particular one.. 2 i'm seeing so far enchantbot and enchantlist.. |
| 02:53.22 | ckknight | it should |
| 02:53.45 | hugo | dont see cycircled there tho ;o |
| 02:53.50 | sysrage | WoW UI Updater FTW |
| 02:54.05 | hugo | wait i just found it, its just not under C |
| 02:54.13 | hugo | its almost at end |
| 02:54.46 | hugo | ok found the prob :D |
| 02:55.07 | hugo | it's the seting view - show groups makes it lil unsorted , i unchecked it now its A-Z all |
| 02:56.01 | hugo | well goin sleep, good night :o |
| 03:23.54 | Nom- | Anyone here play the piano (or electronic keyboard) ? |
| 03:24.05 | Shirik | heh |
| 03:24.07 | Shirik | a long time ag |
| 03:24.08 | Shirik | ago |
| 03:24.15 | Nom- | Same lol |
| 03:24.19 | Nom- | I'm considering taking it up again |
| 03:24.40 | Nom- | I can't afford to get a proper piano (in neither room nor cost) |
| 03:24.52 | Shirik | I know what you mean |
| 03:24.55 | Calmcacil | http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/druid/talents.html?00000000000000000000050323213232210502125105502301000000000000 |
| 03:25.00 | Calmcacil | hows that for a feral build ? |
| 03:25.14 | Nom- | So i'm thinking an electronic keyboard, just wondering if there's any decent ones in the sub-$300 range |
| 03:25.20 | Nom- | (Looking at eBay now) |
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| 03:25.34 | Shirik | actually, they're not bad these days |
| 03:26.20 | Nom- | Calmcacil: Planning to tank at all |
| 03:26.21 | Nom- | ? |
| 03:26.28 | Calmcacil | not too much why? |
| 03:26.42 | Nom- | If you want to do any PvE tanking, you want "Survival of the Fittest" |
| 03:27.08 | Nom- | That saves you needing to get 3% worth of crit defense |
| 03:27.21 | Nom- | ie. You only need 415 defense to be crit immune instead of 490 |
| 03:27.46 | Calmcacil | http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/talents/druid/talents.html?00000000000000000000050323213232210532125105502001000000000000 |
| 03:27.50 | Calmcacil | thats better then? |
| 03:28.43 | Nom- | Yeah, that's a bit more sensible imho |
| 03:29.18 | Nom- | Feral Druids are such awesome PvE tanks...you're crazy not to get it :) |
| 03:29.32 | Calmcacil | so ive heard |
| 03:29.41 | Calmcacil | still need alot of lvlup's |
| 03:29.48 | Nom- | Well you need 415 defense to be crit immune in that build |
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| 03:29.54 | Nom- | That's pretty easy to get in leather |
| 03:30.20 | Nom- | A lot easier than trying to get 490, that's for sure ^_^ |
| 03:31.01 | Calmcacil | well im only lvl 51 yet |
| 03:31.20 | Nom- | One day i'll actually level my druid ^_^ |
| 03:31.33 | Nom- | Not today though, i'll be spending all night installing Windows Vista XD |
| 03:31.39 | Calmcacil | i've been lvling alot lately |
| 03:31.53 | Calmcacil | so what do you advice? |
| 03:31.58 | Calmcacil | getting maxed on feral first |
| 03:32.02 | Calmcacil | or getting furor? |
| 03:32.18 | Nom- | omen of clarity boosts your burst dps a bit |
| 03:32.20 | Nom- | so *shrug* |
| 03:32.41 | Nom- | I'd get the important feral stuff |
| 03:32.56 | Calmcacil | so survival of the fittest first then furor? |
| 03:32.57 | Nom- | Then go down resto and finish of feral in the higher levels |
| 03:33.16 | Nom- | well depends if you're going to tank...if you don't want to tank high level instances right away, then leave it for last |
| 03:33.40 | Calmcacil | well i dont mind tanking |
| 03:33.46 | Nom- | You should pick up the 41 point talent in Feral |
| 03:33.51 | Nom- | Mangle is useful boost in DPS |
| 03:33.58 | Calmcacil | mangle owns |
| 03:34.16 | Calmcacil | i use that instead of claw now :) |
| 03:34.24 | Nom- | but you could leave a few points off some of the other skills and come back to them, because they're mainly PvP or PvE tanking |
| 03:34.52 | Calmcacil | http://armory.wow-europe.com/#character-talents.xml?r=Moonglade&n=Pagasus |
| 03:34.54 | Calmcacil | current build |
| 03:36.03 | Nom- | yea so stick with that |
| 03:36.07 | Nom- | and just pick up the resto skills |
| 03:36.19 | Nom- | and get the remaining feral stuff once you've got resto done |
| 03:36.30 | Calmcacil | okay :) |
| 03:37.25 | Calmcacil | sure sounds like a plan |
| 03:37.37 | Nom- | hmm just trying to recall how many octaves on a standard piano |
| 03:37.40 | Nom- | it's been *that* long |
| 03:39.01 | Nom- | This one only has 4...i'm sure you get 6+ on a standard piano |
| 03:39.04 | Nom- | *ponder* |
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| 03:41.28 | Nom- | Cairenn: There? |
| 03:41.33 | Cairenn | aye |
| 03:41.42 | Nom- | You use MaazzleUI, yes? |
| 03:41.46 | Cairenn | no |
| 03:41.53 | Nom- | Oh, you're just a fan club member? :P |
| 03:42.03 | JoshBorke | Cairenn: you use guildbook don't you :-P don't lie :-P |
| 03:42.09 | Cairenn | no |
| 03:42.21 | JoshBorke | you're 123 of those downloads aren't you :_P boosting my numbers :-d |
| 03:42.24 | Cairenn | Nom-: what makes you say that? |
| 03:42.35 | zenzelezz | Cairenn probably just uses the default UI |
| 03:42.39 | Nom- | Cairenn: You're in the MazzleUI Beta group according to your profile... |
| 03:43.14 | JoshBorke | purl, hug Cairenn |
| 03:43.18 | purl | ACTION sneaks up on Cairenn and suddenly hugs Cairenn tightly |
| 03:43.28 | JoshBorke | Cairenn: what mods DO you use :-D |
| 03:44.20 | Nom- | Anyone in here use it? |
| 03:44.34 | Nom- | Was just wondering if it works ok on non-widescreen displays :) |
| 03:44.50 | JoshBorke | nom: yes, it does |
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| 03:45.20 | Nom- | hmm might give it a go |
| 03:47.25 | Cairenn | Nom-: I run on the site ... I'm in *every* beta group on there :p |
| 03:47.40 | Cairenn | and yes, it was actually originally designed specifically for wide screen |
| 03:47.55 | Cairenn | JoshBorke: you know damn well I won't answer that :p |
| 03:48.07 | JoshBorke | nom: i tried it on non-widescreen at least, never stuck with it though |
| 03:48.13 | JoshBorke | purl, seduce Cairenn |
| 03:48.18 | Cairenn | lol |
| 03:48.31 | JoshBorke | i have cute kitties |
| 03:49.01 | Nom- | lol, very secretive, aren't your Cairenn ? |
| 03:49.22 | Cairenn | prevents accusations of favouritism |
| 03:49.34 | JoshBorke | i bet cair plays with UIParent hidden |
| 03:53.26 | Nom- | lol |
| 03:53.29 | Nom- | this company is whacked |
| 03:53.45 | Nom- | There's a guy who quit here 3 months ago |
| 03:53.51 | Nom- | He just started here as a contractor 2 weeks ago |
| 03:53.52 | Nom- | :P |
| 03:54.12 | Nom- | Actually, would have been 2 months ago...he was gone all of like 4 or 6 weeks |
| 03:54.33 | zenzelezz | some bank(s?) over here had to hire a bunch of 50-60 year old people to redo their computer system not long ago... since no-one younger were able to read the COBOL and Fortran |
| 03:55.19 | JoshBorke | it's a serious problem |
| 03:55.23 | JoshBorke | i think |
| 03:55.59 | Nom- | lol |
| 03:56.06 | Nom- | We have a system here which is using COBOL |
| 03:56.16 | Nom- | The network guys who maintain it hate it with a passion |
| 04:02.56 | cybane | I have screen -r 'd bask in my glory |
| 04:09.57 | Calmcacil | hmmm, know of any wow ui packs that only work on improving the official instaed of 100% customisation? |
| 04:12.06 | Nom- | Calmcacil: Generally there aren't any because the official UI sucks :) |
| 04:12.18 | Shadowed | Can't stand anything except the default UI :p |
| 04:12.20 | Calmcacil | i think all the customs looks too... complex >: |
| 04:12.33 | Calmcacil | i agree with Shadowed |
| 04:12.40 | Shadowed | rather just use mods that add something but changing the entire look is more then i need |
| 04:13.27 | Calmcacil | agreed |
| 04:13.34 | Calmcacil | the only thing i dislike is the chat windows <: |
| 04:13.39 | Calmcacil | too boring for my liking |
| 04:15.24 | Calmcacil | so thats why i need something new |
| 04:22.07 | Nom- | omg...nicest fruit juice ever |
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| 04:23.17 | cybane | LOL |
| 04:23.27 | cybane | All I know is that I have stopped using WoWAce mods |
| 04:23.51 | Nom- | I don't mind WoWAce mods |
| 04:23.58 | Nom- | There's some damn useful mods based on Ace |
| 04:24.04 | cybane | Something about the WoWAce mods cripple my system |
| 04:24.24 | cybane | I have been having framerate issues but then I removed them all and they are gone |
| 04:24.38 | cybane | Ace is great just not for my system |
| 04:24.53 | cybane | Plus, there are alternatives that do not cripple my framerate |
| 04:26.10 | ZealotOnAStick | cybane, you're probably generalizing a lot there. It's likely some single specific mod that was at fault, and you're attributing that to the entire framework there. |
| 04:27.44 | Calmcacil | oh btw |
| 04:27.54 | Calmcacil | anyone have any idea why blizzard breaks my simple chat ? |
| 04:28.29 | Calmcacil | (interface config set to simple chat) |
| 04:28.42 | Calmcacil | shapeshift icons overlaps the chat window |
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| 04:37.24 | Calmcacil | ah crap |
| 04:37.33 | Calmcacil | morning already |
| 04:37.40 | Calmcacil | and i spent all night ranting on wow europe forums T_T |
| 04:37.56 | Calmcacil | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7562578895667928977&hl=en |
| 04:37.59 | Calmcacil | All hail my realm :) |
| 04:38.42 | Calmcacil | thats how we RP'ers do BG's |
| 04:39.37 | Calmcacil | (yes we are crazy) |
| 04:43.42 | ckknight | I like RP realms |
| 04:43.49 | Calmcacil | ditto |
| 04:43.53 | ckknight | I'm playing on a normal one now cause my brother and sister-in-law are on it |
| 04:44.10 | Calmcacil | anytho |
| 04:44.11 | Calmcacil | sleeptime |
| 04:44.20 | Calmcacil | wow wil lbe up in about 4 hours |
| 04:44.24 | Calmcacil | ill be up in like 8 |
| 04:44.31 | Calmcacil | then i need to go to some instance and grab some epxi |
| 04:44.34 | Calmcacil | epix* |
| 04:48.13 | cybane | okay |
| 04:48.27 | cybane | I do not know but when I play on a normal server I feel soo so soo dirty |
| 04:48.47 | ckknight | how come? |
| 04:49.21 | cybane | I think people should be only limited to one faction no matter their server type |
| 04:50.07 | ckknight | why's that? |
| 04:50.37 | Corrodias | because cybane doesn't like it |
| 04:50.41 | Corrodias | all hail! ;) |
| 04:50.41 | Nom- | kik Calmcacil |
| 04:50.47 | cybane | Why have two sides if you can play both |
| 04:50.48 | Nom- | lol Calmcacil |
| 04:50.52 | Nom- | That was a quality premade |
| 04:51.12 | cybane | I play on PVP servers anyway |
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| 04:51.55 | Nom- | we should just do that in AV as horde |
| 04:51.59 | Nom- | It's not like we win anyway |
| 04:52.18 | Nom- | love the preist |
| 04:52.24 | cybane | ???? |
| 04:52.26 | Nom- | OMG 34 CRIT! |
| 04:52.38 | cybane | lol |
| 04:54.13 | cybane | So yeah I tried tanking today for the first time since I started playiong my War again |
| 04:54.29 | cybane | Wow do I feel like I have to go back to Wailing Caverns |
| 04:54.37 | cybane | Some reason I could not hold aggro at all |
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| 04:56.36 | Nom- | cybane: Class? |
| 04:56.46 | JunkHead-Work | Loads of it! |
| 04:56.47 | cybane | Warrior |
| 04:56.52 | JunkHead-Work | Booyaka! |
| 04:57.02 | Nom- | cybane: Level & Spec ? |
| 04:57.17 | cybane | 60 doing Ramparts with Fury spec |
| 04:57.37 | Nom- | hmm odd |
| 04:57.47 | Nom- | You just started in HFP ? |
| 04:57.55 | Nom- | What levels were the rest of the group? |
| 04:57.58 | cybane | It felt like everyone just ripped aggro away from me |
| 04:58.16 | cybane | A paladin pulled aggro from me /kicks dirt |
| 04:58.39 | cybane | 60-62 throughout the group |
| 04:58.53 | Nom- | A Paladin with Rightous Fury can easily pull aggro from a non-protection warrior :/ |
| 04:58.56 | cybane | I think it had something to do with the fact the first guys feared the crap out of me |
| 04:59.05 | Corrodias | yeah, well, i say there should be only pve servers |
| 04:59.12 | Corrodias | this won't hurt me because only play pve anyway ;P |
| 04:59.17 | cybane | and the priest did nothing but mindblast |
| 04:59.17 | Nom- | cybane: You might find that the other guys had geared up |
| 04:59.28 | cybane | Damn carebears |
| 04:59.38 | Nom- | cybane: Within the first 2-3 levels in Outland you gear up to equivilent or better than T2 |
| 04:59.42 | cybane | Yeah I know but they asked me to come so I was like sure |
| 05:00.20 | Nom- | So unless you're a T2/T3 warrior, then you have a rough time holding aggro against players higher level than you |
| 05:00.40 | Nom- | That's where the extra threat from Prot spec comes in handy |
| 05:01.44 | cybane | I was thinking about telling them umm guys I do not have TF you might need to FF on my guy and you know let me establish aggro first |
| 05:02.06 | Corrodias | TF, hmm |
| 05:02.15 | Corrodias | thunderfury? and is FF faerie fire? |
| 05:02.20 | Nom- | Yeah, you really need TF to get away with tanking for better geared players |
| 05:02.27 | Corrodias | just... you know, those acronyms would be lost on me |
| 05:04.19 | cybane | ff = focus fire |
| 05:04.46 | cybane | No you need TF to tank with PUGs lol |
| 05:04.56 | Nom- | aoe aggro is really tough too, yeah |
| 05:05.05 | Nom- | I want a TF for my prot pally now :( |
| 05:05.15 | cybane | lol |
| 05:05.27 | cybane | Holy crap a prot war specced right hardly uses any rage |
| 05:05.48 | Corrodias | so what's TF? |
| 05:05.49 | cybane | heroic strike reduced by 6 rage |
| 05:05.54 | cybane | Thunderfury |
| 05:05.56 | Nom- | Corrodias: Thunderfury |
| 05:06.13 | Corrodias | wait, that's the old sword |
| 05:06.13 | Corrodias | i was joking |
| 05:06.19 | Nom- | Corrodias: Even post-nerf it generates more threat than any other tanking weapon in the game |
| 05:06.24 | Corrodias | :o |
| 05:06.35 | Nom- | Corrodias: Especially AoE aggro |
| 05:06.45 | cybane | Plus, you can Thunder Clap too |
| 05:07.01 | Nom- | Chance on hit: Blasts your enemy with lightning, dealing 300 Nature damage and then jumping to additional nearby enemies. Each jump reduces that victim's Nature resistance by 25. Affects 5 targets. Your primary target is also consumed by a cyclone, slowing its attack speed by 20% for 12 sec. |
| 05:07.07 | cybane | so I do not see how how TC replaces TF unless TC would be changed to become a proc for weapons |
| 05:07.45 | Nom- | hmmm...you lost me now? TC? |
| 05:07.51 | cybane | Thunder Clap |
| 05:07.57 | Nom- | o ryt |
| 05:08.13 | cybane | king |
| 05:08.16 | Corrodias | if anything it would just complement it |
| 05:08.18 | Thunder_Child | it's a damn good thing i dont ding for TC or thunder |
| 05:08.29 | Nom- | Yeah, thunderclap won't be enough to offset healing aggro tho |
| 05:08.30 | Nom- | TF is |
| 05:08.37 | Bleeter | lol Thunder_Child |
| 05:08.52 | Thunder_Child | that on the other hand i do |
| 05:08.56 | cybane | See what they could do is not allow the proc to be put on TF |
| 05:09.00 | Nom- | I suppose it *does* depend on how many mobs |
| 05:09.03 | Bleeter | just testing for you, mate ;) |
| 05:09.07 | Thunder_Child | gee, thanks |
| 05:09.11 | Nom- | Since healing aggro is split between all mobs the tank is tanking |
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| 05:10.26 | Nom- | heh |
| 05:10.37 | Nom- | After tonight I'm actually going to own the copy of Windows on my gaming machine! :P |
| 05:11.07 | cybane | lol |
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| 05:11.38 | Nom- | It's the only compuer in the house that I don't have a licence for windows |
| 05:11.59 | Nom- | Mainly because I couldn't be arsed getting one until now |
| 05:12.12 | cybane | Here is what they need to do make Thunder Clap a viable replacement for TF |
| 05:12.28 | Nom- | They did buff the threat, cybane ... it's just they didn't buff it enough |
| 05:12.46 | Nom- | Even on single-target tanking Thunderfury will beat even the level 70 high dps one-hadners |
| 05:12.49 | Nom- | It's insane |
| 05:13.12 | cybane | Thunder Clap: 30 Rage 5 Minute Duration. Chance on hit the warrior with WTFPWN the mob so hard with the weapon it will stupify it and the other mobs to not attack anyone erlse |
| 05:13.17 | cybane | That is the simple way |
| 05:13.41 | Nom- | I've seen two warriors with pretty similar gear, execute down a mob |
| 05:13.47 | cybane | IMO TF is too strong |
| 05:13.56 | Nom- | and the thunderfury just pwned the threat because of that debuff |
| 05:14.11 | Nom- | as soon as you get a proc or two on that, you make up for anything that got left behind due to damage |
| 05:14.14 | cybane | No weapon should have an AOE proc |
| 05:15.06 | Nom- | I wonder how much threat I could generate on undead mobs with a TF :P |
| 05:15.16 | Nom- | I already do about 50% more threat per second than a TF warrior :P |
| 05:15.33 | Nom- | If i'm tanking it of course...holy shield ftw when it comes to threat |
| 05:15.41 | zenzelezz | for what it's worth; my take on Thunder Clap is that it's not intended much for generating threat, just for debuffing |
| 05:15.57 | Nom- | zenzelezz: It's not...it's intended to get initial aggro threat on aoe groups |
| 05:16.00 | cybane | debuffs = threat that is how a TF works |
| 05:16.13 | Nom- | zenzelezz: Holding that aggro is the really hard part for warriors |
| 05:16.33 | Nom- | It's actually nice to have a tanking paladin for AoE groups in Karazhan if you've not done that |
| 05:16.52 | Nom- | Consecration + Holy Wrath is enough aggro to hold them all off the clothies |
| 05:16.58 | zenzelezz | if I want initial aggro I'll first try Demoralizing Shout, for the bigger range... it's tiny threat, but if no-one buffs/heals, the mobs will come closer and I can toss a Thunder Clap... but yeah, I know what you mean |
| 05:17.06 | cybane | I do not think the warrior has enough abilities for tanking multiple mobs |
| 05:17.22 | Nom- | zenzelezz: For AoE clusters, most warriors do a charge+thunderclap |
| 05:17.31 | zenzelezz | none in my guild |
| 05:17.32 | Nom- | zenzelezz: For AoE in heroics, you can't afford the time to not heal |
| 05:17.53 | zenzelezz | I can't say about heroics; I've done one so far and hated it |
| 05:18.00 | Nom- | zenzelezz: Ramparts I bet? |
| 05:18.01 | zenzelezz | only seemed like the same old, except much higher damage |
| 05:18.10 | zenzelezz | no, Steamvault |
| 05:18.14 | Nom- | LOL |
| 05:18.16 | Nom- | No wonder |
| 05:18.28 | Nom- | Go try Slave Pens |
| 05:18.32 | Nom- | It's one of the easiest heroics |
| 05:19.13 | Nom- | Steamvault and the other level 70 instances in heroic mode are what you hit when you're well geared |
| 05:19.25 | Nom- | Mainly because their loot tables are identical except for the last boss |
| 05:19.37 | zenzelezz | I've actually had a break for two weeks, considering if I'm just a little burned out or really tired of raids... grinding heroics for attunement doesn't interest me, Kharazan is fun enough but not *that* fun with the loot |
| 05:19.50 | Nom- | All of the instances with less than level 68 loot have different loot tables in heroic |
| 05:19.59 | zenzelezz | I know |
| 05:20.01 | Nom- | But, Ramparts is one of the hardest heroics as well |
| 05:20.13 | zenzelezz | I've heard the dragon is tough |
| 05:20.16 | Nom- | Unless you have a rogue to stunlock, you need two healers |
| 05:20.33 | Nom- | Not full time, but you need someone who can switch to healing for certain mobs |
| 05:21.11 | Nom- | There's two types of mobs in Heroic Ramparts that can't even be solo healed by a Holy Priest with 1500 +Healing |
| 05:24.30 | cybane | Grrr I wish I could find a decent 2h axe so I could go back to MS |
| 05:24.49 | cybane | I really do not see how Bloodthirst can do more dmg than MS |
| 05:25.01 | zenzelezz | what level? |
| 05:25.11 | cybane | I am level 60 |
| 05:25.50 | Nom- | Does it have to be an axe |
| 05:25.53 | Nom- | There's a nice polearm from the last boss in Ramparts |
| 05:26.05 | cybane | Poleaxe |
| 05:26.11 | cybane | Polearm or Axe |
| 05:26.18 | cybane | I perfer Axe Since I am an orc |
| 05:26.43 | cybane | I still want the Polearm from Rend though |
| 05:26.43 | Nom- | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=24044 |
| 05:27.17 | Nom- | Blood furnace has a 2h axe |
| 05:27.18 | Nom- | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=24394 |
| 05:27.21 | cybane | Yeah I seen that a lot |
| 05:28.02 | cybane | Yeah but for me to get those I have to be decent at tanking which I have to relearn |
| 05:28.32 | Nom- | You could go as DPS |
| 05:29.02 | Nom- | There's quest rewards too, but generally they're for completing dungeons |
| 05:29.20 | cybane | Yeah I know |
| 05:29.24 | Corrodias | "One of the best? At level 70 (hunter) I still use this badboy! I gave it a +25 agi enchant and with that it gives me a whopping 105 atk power." |
| 05:29.26 | cybane | I saw that |
| 05:29.34 | Corrodias | -- protip: never count your enchantments when trying to compare two weapons to each other |
| 05:29.57 | Nom- | omg i just realised |
| 05:30.11 | Nom- | The fix to cleave went out last night right? |
| 05:30.20 | cybane | No clue |
| 05:30.28 | Corrodias | didn't see it in the patch notes |
| 05:30.51 | Nom- | hmmm it was *meant* to be in 2.0.12 i thought :( |
| 05:30.52 | zenzelezz | what fix to cleave? |
| 05:30.59 | Nom- | Yeah, it's gone *cry* |
| 05:31.42 | Nom- | They were fixing it so it only affects targets in front of the mob, and chains no further than the normal melee range |
| 05:32.09 | Nom- | I saw a blue post for it a few weeks ago |
| 05:32.30 | cybane | Did it work better or worse than before |
| 05:32.51 | cybane | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=TVMxdAioM0dVoVZc I love this spec |
| 05:33.01 | cybane | I do not know why people are so up in arms about adding flurry |
| 05:34.38 | cybane | But a lot of people have a hard on for this build http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=pVMxdGioM0zZVV0V0gRV |
| 05:39.34 | Corrodias | oh no. a rule 34 thread. http://img.4chan.org/b/res/23618329.html |
| 05:39.37 | Corrodias | not safe for work |
| 05:39.38 | Corrodias | or for sanity |
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| 05:39.54 | Corrodias | there's House yaoi in there. |
| 05:40.00 | Corrodias | and... protoss x zergling |
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| 05:46.24 | MentalPower | gnight guys |
| 05:47.02 | cybane | gnite |
| 05:47.17 | cybane | Peeps own |
| 05:54.35 | AnduinLothar | Lightwarden's Girdle is mine :) |
| 05:55.09 | zenzelezz | grats |
| 05:55.55 | AnduinLothar | onyl took a night of play, the hardest part was gettign a grp for the last part. but we found 4 pallies was enough to exorcize the demon down |
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| 06:09.34 | AnduinLothar | there we go. 500 def in holy spec, lol |
| 06:09.51 | AnduinLothar | wtb stam |
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| 06:12.41 | cybane | lol |
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| 06:16.13 | cybane | I have always wondered what is the obession Paladins have with wanting to tank? |
| 06:16.33 | cybane | No matter what game it is Paladins always want to tank |
| 06:16.36 | AnduinLothar | it used to be harder |
| 06:16.52 | AnduinLothar | but now it's quite viable |
| 06:17.16 | ArthurBrazil | anyone konw the ace site that lists all the addons in text? |
| 06:17.40 | cybane | www.wowace.com? |
| 06:18.15 | ArthurBrazil | nevermind, founf it: files.wowace.com |
| 06:20.14 | Nom- | Paladins are awesome tanking choices |
| 06:20.18 | Nom- | As well as Feral Druids |
| 06:20.37 | JunkHead-Work | I'm a Feral Paladin! |
| 06:21.41 | Nom- | I've been protection paladin for a while |
| 06:21.49 | Nom- | My guild asked me to respect to OT Karazhan |
| 06:21.49 | Nom- | :) |
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| 06:23.41 | JunkHead-Work | My guild didn't ask me to respec. |
| 06:23.47 | JunkHead-Work | I was already Holy. |
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| 06:24.25 | Nom- | I was holy too |
| 06:24.30 | Nom- | They asked me to respec ^_^ |
| 06:24.43 | JunkHead-Work | We had another ret pally. he volunteered to spec holy. |
| 06:24.45 | Nom- | I went from solo healing all the 5-mans to tanking them all |
| 06:25.33 | Nom- | I can't wait to get all 5 pieces of my T4 |
| 06:25.39 | JunkHead-Work | Right now we have 2 holy, 2 ret. |
| 06:25.45 | JunkHead-Work | 1 prot who is still 69. |
| 06:26.42 | JunkHead-Work | I think at least 1 of our ret paladins need to respec also. |
| 06:26.56 | cybane | I have always been a firm believer that a paladin is agreat OT |
| 06:27.11 | cybane | IMO 2 prot wars for MT and ST then Paladins and druids for OTing |
| 06:27.13 | JunkHead-Work | I believe it too. |
| 06:27.58 | cybane | Althought a Prot War and Holy Paladin are funny in PVP |
| 06:30.16 | Nom- | well |
| 06:30.18 | cybane | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NXAoSiKgZI This is really funny |
| 06:30.24 | Nom- | We have 2 raid groups right now going through Karazhan |
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| 06:30.26 | JunkHead-Work | Well... I feel that a Paladin can make a fine tank. |
| 06:30.34 | JunkHead-Work | And of course they are great healers. |
| 06:30.41 | Nom- | My group has a Prot warrior MT, Prot Paladin OT, Feral Druid BT |
| 06:30.50 | Nom- | The other group had 2 prot warriors and they were struggling |
| 06:30.55 | JunkHead-Work | And while they might can do great DPS on occassion, it's still best to leave DPS to other classes. |
| 06:31.06 | Nom- | Respecced one of them to mortal strike, and they're doing a lot better now |
| 06:31.47 | JunkHead-Work | If I remember correctly, our warriors are, 1 prot, 2 arms or something. |
| 06:33.45 | JunkHead-Work | Yeah, one is arms, 35/23/3 |
| 06:33.49 | Nom- | ahhh |
| 06:33.54 | Nom- | finally found the details ont he cleave changes |
| 06:34.02 | Nom- | It's not for 2.0.12 like i thought :( |
| 06:34.08 | Nom- | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=89378961&pageNo=1&sid=1#0 |
| 06:34.20 | Nom- | Also, we.ve changed the NPC cleave mechanic so that it.s now a frontal cone ability rather than a 360 degree chain attack. Sweeping Strikes has been removed from all Burning Crusade NPC.s. |
| 06:34.21 | JunkHead-Work | One is Prot, 11/0/50 |
| 06:34.44 | Nom- | We.re also reducing the Glancing Blow damage penalty for creatures 1-3 levels higher than the player. This will have a significant effect on melee DPS as it relates to endgame melee dps. More details on this at a later time. |
| 06:35.05 | JunkHead-Work | And one is 33/28/0 |
| 06:35.14 | JunkHead-Work | That's our 3 lvl 70 warriors. |
| 06:35.16 | Nom- | We.ve done a tuning pass of many of our dungeons/bosses/encounters to ensure that nothing overly punishing occurs to .melee DPS. that would lead people to favor ranged DPS over Rogues/DPS Warriors etc. |
| 06:35.23 | Nom- | ^^ LOL - Maiden nerf ? |
| 06:35.36 | Nom- | Our rogue sits around twiddling his thumbs in that fight |
| 06:35.43 | Nom- | We have him running around bandaging :P |
| 06:36.36 | JunkHead-Work | Oooh we have a new 70 in our guild. And she is Holy specced! |
| 06:36.57 | Nom- | Is it a hawt gnome? |
| 06:36.59 | ZealotOnAStick | Our guild leader is a rogue, so he just puts the shadow priest in his group so he can DPS on the maiden. |
| 06:37.14 | Nom- | You take a shadow priest? |
| 06:37.17 | Nom- | You're daring :P |
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| 06:37.36 | ZealotOnAStick | Stupid not too. They're too much of a boost to raid DPS. |
| 06:37.39 | Nom- | We have 2 holy priests and a resto shaman, and it's still not enough |
| 06:37.42 | ZealotOnAStick | s/too/to/ |
| 06:38.08 | JunkHead-Work | We now have 5 lvl 70 Paladins. |
| 06:38.18 | Nom- | 2 warlocks because we're short on mages |
| 06:38.30 | cybane | Tigole is a dick |
| 06:38.48 | JunkHead-Work | Nom - We're short on a few classes. |
| 06:39.11 | JunkHead-Work | Mainly casters. |
| 06:39.40 | Nom- | We have too many warlocks |
| 06:39.44 | Nom- | Not enough mages or rogues |
| 06:39.56 | cybane | LOL |
| 06:39.59 | JunkHead-Work | Are you speaking of lvl 70 characters? |
| 06:40.00 | Nom- | we're pretty much right on everything else |
| 06:40.04 | Nom- | Yeah, level 70 |
| 06:40.06 | JunkHead-Work | Ok. |
| 06:40.08 | cybane | I see that a lot guilds say they have too many Warlocks |
| 06:40.09 | JunkHead-Work | We have 1 warlock. |
| 06:40.12 | JunkHead-Work | 2 Mages |
| 06:40.14 | JunkHead-Work | 1 Druid |
| 06:40.17 | JunkHead-Work | 2 Priests |
| 06:40.24 | Nom- | cybane: We have 8 raid ready warlocks, and 2 raid ready mages :P |
| 06:40.31 | JunkHead-Work | 4 Hunters |
| 06:40.31 | cybane | ROFL |
| 06:40.35 | JunkHead-Work | 5 Paladins |
| 06:40.38 | JunkHead-Work | 4 Rogues |
| 06:40.41 | JunkHead-Work | 3 Warriors |
| 06:40.47 | Nom- | and 1 of our mages can't play full time atm |
| 06:40.59 | Nom- | so effectively we have 1 mage between 2 karazhan raids |
| 06:41.13 | JunkHead-Work | Ok check this out. Last weekend we did MC for fun. |
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| 06:41.23 | JunkHead-Work | We took anyone above 60, and even a 56 Shammy. |
| 06:41.29 | Nom- | lol |
| 06:41.31 | cybane | lol |
| 06:41.32 | JunkHead-Work | There was 15 of us. |
| 06:41.39 | JunkHead-Work | No priests. |
| 06:41.39 | cybane | were |
| 06:41.43 | JunkHead-Work | 1 Lock, 1 Mage. |
| 06:42.32 | cybane | and... |
| 06:42.51 | JunkHead-Work | That was it. |
| 06:42.53 | Nom- | lol |
| 06:43.04 | cybane | how did it go |
| 06:43.06 | Nom- | I hope in one of their tuning runs they nerf the trash and buff the first boss in Ramparts |
| 06:43.13 | Nom- | The trash is harder than any boss encounter in Ramparts |
| 06:43.19 | JunkHead-Work | We played over the course of two nights. |
| 06:43.26 | JunkHead-Work | We gave up on Garr. |
| 06:43.35 | cybane | IMO all trash should be single pullable and bosses should have adds |
| 06:43.46 | Nom- | JunkHead-Work: You need 4 warlock and 4 tanks for Garr |
| 06:43.48 | cybane | I have never done MC how far is Garr? |
| 06:44.01 | JunkHead-Work | cybane - 4th boss I think? |
| 06:44.08 | Nom- | cybane: He's the boss + 8 adds |
| 06:44.17 | Nom- | cybane: You need to CC or Tank all the adds as well as the boss |
| 06:44.17 | JunkHead-Work | Nom- We had 1 lock. 3 warriors. |
| 06:44.18 | cybane | The fire Naga guy? |
| 06:44.30 | JunkHead-Work | Garr is a big earth elemental. |
| 06:44.31 | Nom- | cybane: Rock Elemental guy |
| 06:45.04 | cybane | only raid I ever did in the old world was Drak |
| 06:45.10 | cybane | and some ZG |
| 06:45.22 | JunkHead-Work | brb |
| 06:45.30 | cybane | I am more of a pvper than anything |
| 06:45.59 | Nom- | UBRS doesn't really count as a raid :) |
| 06:46.54 | cybane | Yes it does |
| 06:47.01 | cybane | more than 5 men are a raid |
| 06:47.09 | JunkHead-Work | The only raid experience I've had is ZG and MC. |
| 06:47.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh yesss the 360 guitar hero controller works with pcs |
| 06:47.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | :D |
| 06:47.43 | cybane | Duh that is because a 360 is a PC |
| 06:49.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | not quite but similar, yes indeed |
| 06:49.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | but it works because the original 360 controller was designed for pcs too |
| 06:49.39 | cybane | No it is a PC |
| 06:49.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | and it's based off the same thing |
| 06:49.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's a pc when i can play wow on it |
| 06:50.03 | cybane | Uses the same processesors and graphics stuffs just a slightly different mobo |
| 06:50.13 | cybane | Nah it has a different OS |
| 06:50.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's based on pc architecure, sure, but it's not one |
| 06:53.52 | ZealotOnAStick | You can run linux on it, though it takes some effort to do . . . so running WoW on it would be doable. |
| 06:54.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've never heard of anyone running linux on a 360 |
| 06:54.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | on an original xbox, yeah, but i don't think the 360 has been cracked yet |
| 06:55.03 | JunkHead-Work | Yeah. |
| 06:55.08 | JunkHead-Work | Supposedly it has been. |
| 06:56.31 | JunkHead-Work | http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=595516 |
| 06:56.31 | ZealotOnAStick | http://www.free60.org/wiki/Main_Page |
| 06:56.47 | JunkHead-Work | That was going to be my next paste.:P |
| 06:58.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | you could probably get linux working on a toaster if you tried hard enough |
| 06:58.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm surprised they got video to work |
| 06:59.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | since everything video is directx on the 360 |
| 06:59.13 | ZealotOnAStick | I'm not. |
| 06:59.55 | ZealotOnAStick | I'm sure there's enough developer material out there to make writing drivers for the ATI stuff in it reasonably doable. |
| 07:02.40 | Nom- | lol does the xbox360 use PPC ? |
| 07:03.15 | Nom- | The same architecture that Apple just dumped because it's too expensive :P |
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| 07:04.19 | Nom- | Is it just me, or is there not a single reason to buy apple hardware now, other than looks? |
| 07:06.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | if you like osx |
| 07:06.14 | cybane | Umm only the latest intel processors will be in Apples |
| 07:06.37 | Nom- | Yeah, but you can actually use the x86 version on any PC Hardware |
| 07:06.52 | cybane | PPC was not dumped to expensive it was dumped because IBM could not put a G5 in a Laptop too hot |
| 07:06.53 | Nom- | The hardware chip protection in it was easily circulvented |
| 07:07.11 | Nom- | http://reviews.zdnet.co.uk/software/os/0,1000001098,39235916,00.htm |
| 07:07.22 | Nom- | Installed OSX on a Toshiba Laptop |
| 07:07.38 | cybane | yeah my GF installed OSX on her PC |
| 07:08.27 | JunkHead-Work | I had it on my dell laptop for awhile. |
| 07:08.43 | Nom- | That's a significantly bigger shark tank that Apple has put itself in :) |
| 07:09.20 | Nom- | They've now gone from competing with places like Dell, Compaq, etc. to direct competion with Microsoft |
| 07:09.25 | Nom- | Just as well they're all friendly and stuff |
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| 07:12.17 | Shadowed | Whats the realmList CVar for EU, eu.logon.worldofwarcraft.com ? |
| 07:17.11 | Shadowed | actually! nevermind |
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| 07:29.49 | cybane | Do you guys think Reslilence is worth it? |
| 07:30.10 | Nom- | Yes (to an extent) |
| 07:30.16 | Shadowed | cybane what class are you |
| 07:30.26 | Nom- | It's more valuable to a druid than to a paladin or warrior for instance |
| 07:30.33 | Shadowed | it's valuable to everyone |
| 07:30.41 | Nom- | I said it's MORE valuable |
| 07:31.20 | Nom- | For a tanking warrior or paladin, they get more benefit out of 5% crit from defense, than from 5% in resilience |
| 07:31.32 | Shadowed | I assume he was talking PVP not PVE |
| 07:31.37 | cybane | Yar |
| 07:31.41 | Nom- | A druid doesn't get the benefit of block/parry, so it's more useful as a tanking stat for them |
| 07:31.43 | Shadowed | you can't really get many pieces with Resilience on it that are actually decent for PvE |
| 07:31.50 | Shadowed | cybane: Class? |
| 07:31.53 | Nom- | Shadowed: Sure you can... |
| 07:31.58 | Shadowed | link me the pieces |
| 07:32.01 | cybane | Class is irrelevant |
| 07:32.03 | tedr0ck | ok i found a macro and it does 2 things im not sure why they are there... can someone have a look and explain to me? |
| 07:32.07 | cybane | I can talking about the stat itself |
| 07:32.24 | Shadowed | Well the class is relevant if you plan on doing arenas |
| 07:32.32 | cybane | Does anyone know if reslilance is 1:1 with crit rating? |
| 07:32.52 | Nom- | It's more effective per rating point |
| 07:33.06 | tedr0ck | what does "/script SetCVar("targetNearestDistance", 10)" do? |
| 07:33.09 | Nom- | I think it was 40 Resilience for 1% crit vs 60 defense rating |
| 07:33.22 | Nom- | Resilience => Resilience Rating is 1:1 |
| 07:33.24 | Shadowed | Right now, i'm at around 208 resilience with 1 Gladiator, Gladiator 2H, 2 GM, Halaa pants, Marshal bracers, marshal boots, excorist ring |
| 07:33.32 | tedr0ck | because it does that htne it does " /targetenemy [dead] |
| 07:33.38 | Shadowed | and thats without sacrificing any damage stats |
| 07:33.47 | tedr0ck | and then sets another var |
| 07:34.10 | Shadowed | So yes, being able to get around 6% reduced chance to be crit and 12% damage reduced on crit is useful when I don't lose any damage to do it. |
| 07:34.13 | Nom- | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=23532 |
| 07:34.22 | Nom- | [Gauntlets of the Iron Tower] |
| 07:34.43 | Nom- | Those are decent tanking gloves with resilience |
| 07:34.53 | Nom- | Sadly, most of the level 70 resilience gear is all from the pvp sets |
| 07:35.02 | Shadowed | exactly, it's a PVP stat not a PVE :p |
| 07:35.15 | Nom- | It's perfectly effective for PvE too |
| 07:35.29 | Nom- | There's trinkets, weapons, shields etc which work |
| 07:35.35 | Shadowed | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=27475 |
| 07:35.57 | Shadowed | 100 less armor, 6 less defense rating, but you also get 16 AGI and they don't cost 500-600g |
| 07:36.52 | Shadowed | Resilience was mainly meant to reduce the crazy burst damage from crits, which is why you see it mainly on PvP items and not commonly used in tanking |
| 07:36.55 | Shirik | tedrock: It doesn't "do" anything |
| 07:37.09 | Shirik | what it does is sets your tab distance to 10 yards |
| 07:37.16 | AnduinLothar | Resilience is useless if you have 490 def |
| 07:37.19 | AnduinLothar | in pve |
| 07:37.33 | Nom- | Yeah, I used it for quite a while to make up for not having 490 defense |
| 07:37.40 | Shirik | since /targetenemy = effectively tab, then what it's doing is targetting your next enemy within 10 yards if you're targetting a dead enemy |
| 07:37.44 | Nom- | My tanking sword has +Resilience |
| 07:38.08 | AnduinLothar | my tanking swd has 81dps |
| 07:38.14 | Shirik | tedr0ck: I'm guessing the other var is targetNearestDistanceRadius? |
| 07:38.24 | Shadowed | my tanking sword one shots mobs |
| 07:38.55 | AnduinLothar | i just tanked BM in holy spec. 1st time i've ever 1-shotted that instance |
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| 07:39.09 | Nom- | heh |
| 07:39.14 | Nom- | BM was a PITA back when I was doing it |
| 07:39.22 | JunkHead-Work | BM = ? |
| 07:39.28 | Shirik | black morass |
| 07:39.29 | JunkHead-Work | Black Mora |
| 07:39.31 | JunkHead-Work | Ok. |
| 07:39.33 | Nom- | yeah that |
| 07:39.37 | JunkHead-Work | Wasn't sure how to spell that.:P |
| 07:39.55 | AnduinLothar | it still is a pita. you need geared grp with the exactly right compesition |
| 07:39.57 | Nom- | It's just 'more ass' without the e |
| 07:40.10 | Shadowed | you do? |
| 07:40.13 | JunkHead-Work | Ok I think I can remember that.:P |
| 07:40.39 | Nom- | nah not really |
| 07:40.44 | AnduinLothar | you need mostly ranged dps, a healer and an off healer who can also dps and a dedicated and well geared tank |
| 07:40.45 | Nom- | i've done BM with a couple of different group makeups now |
| 07:40.54 | Shadowed | i've done it with a feral druid, 3 melee DPS and a healer :p |
| 07:41.15 | Nom- | I *usually* go with a warlock, mage, warrior, paladin, rogue |
| 07:41.17 | Shadowed | or maybe it was feral druid, 2 DPS, hunter, healer. pretty sure it was 3 melee dps |
| 07:41.23 | Nom- | err |
| 07:41.39 | Nom- | warlock, mage, warrior, paladin, roge/priest/shaman |
| 07:41.44 | AnduinLothar | you can make up for an off healer if you have more dps or better gear |
| 07:41.46 | Nom- | depending the spec of the pally :) |
| 07:41.55 | Nom- | I solo healed it back when I was holy |
| 07:42.12 | AnduinLothar | right, pallies can solo heal fairly well, it's abotu mana conservation |
| 07:42.23 | Nom- | The second boss is a PITA if you leave him too long |
| 07:42.34 | AnduinLothar | if you have a pally tanking tho you need good dps because he has to be able to drink ever wave |
| 07:42.38 | Nom- | We were able to DPS him down before the debuff built past 5 |
| 07:43.08 | Nom- | A 50% debuff can easily be healed through in holy spec |
| 07:43.12 | Shadowed | that boss is fun, best case debuff resets, worst case rogues get to tank him |
| 07:43.23 | Nom- | Just whack on the 41 point talent and chain cast Holy Light |
| 07:44.00 | Nom- | Or if you're low on mana |
| 07:44.09 | Nom- | With that 41 point talent, you can get 2 free holy lights ^_^ |
| 07:44.35 | AnduinLothar | shadow priest is also rly good |
| 07:44.54 | Nom- | That was my favourite part of holy healing actually |
| 07:45.08 | Nom- | Divin Illumination and Divine Favor stack |
| 07:45.22 | AnduinLothar | ya lol |
| 07:45.27 | AnduinLothar | free mana back |
| 07:45.32 | Nom- | And any other crits you get with Divine Illumination active give you free mana too |
| 07:46.06 | Nom- | If you somehow managed to get 5 crits in a row, you could get back 2100 mana :D |
| 07:46.37 | Nom- | If you can do it on damand, you can do that every 3 minutes too ^_^ |
| 07:46.41 | Nom- | *demend even |
| 07:46.45 | Nom- | demand |
| 07:46.49 | Nom- | stupid fingers |
| 07:48.11 | Nom- | Depending on how hard i needed to heal, i'd usually whack DI on and then cast a DF HL and then chain FoL |
| 07:48.17 | Nom- | Stupidly cheap heals |
| 07:49.08 | Nom- | I never picked up Light's Grace tho |
| 07:49.12 | Nom- | I should do that on my next respec |
| 07:51.36 | cybane | You know the more I read about how the game has changed in mechanics it really makes me want to play a support class |
| 07:51.55 | Nom- | You mean a Hybrid :P |
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| 07:52.06 | cybane | No I mean a priest |
| 07:52.18 | Nom- | People underestimate the usefulness of Hybrids |
| 07:52.31 | Nom- | I mean seriously, where would raids be without their blessings, totems, mots etc |
| 07:52.38 | Nom- | motw |
| 07:53.09 | cybane | Heh I remember a raid paying me 100g to join their ZG run and provide them with MOTW. I was allowed to go afk and go on alts just had to come back and remark them |
| 07:54.32 | Shirik | Hey guys, need a little help on a design philosophy |
| 07:54.48 | cybane | KISS |
| 07:54.50 | Shirik | The updater, should it remove the downloaded zip after it installs it, or would you think it better to leave it in the addon folder? |
| 07:54.57 | Shirik | I always follow KISS :P |
| 07:55.03 | zenzelezz | ask the user |
| 07:55.05 | cybane | Have a toggle |
| 07:55.15 | Shirik | ok, what about default :P |
| 07:55.27 | cybane | Leave it in the addon folder |
| 07:55.38 | cybane | When they first load the addon pop up a message |
| 07:56.06 | cybane | Informing them they need to change the setting to remove old files |
| 07:56.48 | Shirik | hm ok |
| 07:56.49 | Shirik | thanks |
| 07:57.09 | Shirik | I just finished the part where it reads your favorites list and offers to install any missing addons :P |
| 07:57.19 | Shirik | I didn't think that was going to be possible but I'm satisfied with it :) |
| 07:57.39 | Shirik | so if you reformat, it'll install everything for you |
| 07:58.56 | AnduinLothar | imo add an option to store zips in a folder somewhere else |
| 07:58.58 | Nom- | Interesting... |
| 07:59.08 | Nom- | Because, you know...I plan to format tonight... :P |
| 07:59.17 | Shirik | AnduinLothar: That's a good idea too, though it does back up before every install as well |
| 07:59.41 | AnduinLothar | meh i like to have old versions of dls |
| 07:59.54 | AnduinLothar | for like downgrading |
| 08:00.03 | cybane | heh I do not use addons that scan my PC |
| 08:00.20 | Shirik | addons can't |
| 08:00.35 | cybane | Okay I do not like to have updaters for Addons |
| 08:00.40 | cybane | I like to update my own |
| 08:00.51 | Shirik | I won't deny that there are those like that |
| 08:00.53 | Shirik | myself included |
| 08:01.09 | AnduinLothar | you onyl say that cause there aren't any good updaters ;) |
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| 08:01.33 | Nom- | wowace updater is actually pretty good |
| 08:01.35 | Shirik | Well I intend to break the "there aren't any good updaters" paradigm |
| 08:01.39 | Nom- | unfortunately i'ts limited to wowace |
| 08:01.40 | cybane | IMO if an addon for a game needs to have an updater then it is not finished |
| 08:01.47 | AnduinLothar | but does yours work on mac? |
| 08:01.59 | Shirik | haven't tested, but it is fully designed to be cross-platform compatible |
| 08:02.02 | Nom- | afaik Shirik's updated is cross platform |
| 08:02.03 | AnduinLothar | most addons aren't 'finished' |
| 08:02.21 | Industrial | that its not finished doesnt mean that its not good now |
| 08:02.23 | Shirik | a minor problem with Linux but that's just because of a JRE problem; I'll just write a C native function and link to it |
| 08:02.24 | Nom- | and, cybane, it's an updater for all addons, not just his own |
| 08:02.27 | AnduinLothar | hell, software is never 'finished' |
| 08:02.39 | Shirik | Part of the software design cycle (note it is a CYCLE) is maintenance |
| 08:02.48 | cybane | Ahh |
| 08:02.58 | cybane | I know |
| 08:02.59 | Shirik | no program is ever finished until it is no longer used |
| 08:03.14 | cybane | Nope I have written many programs that are finished |
| 08:03.17 | Nom- | Even then it's not finished, Shirik...it's just dormant |
| 08:03.20 | cybane | They do exactly what I want them to do |
| 08:03.39 | Shirik | The #1 problem with addons for WoW is that Blizzard changes enough of the API frequently enough that heavy changes are required |
| 08:03.43 | cybane | Granted most of them are scripts |
| 08:03.45 | Shirik | (from time to time) |
| 08:03.47 | Shadowed | It's never finished, just abanded :p |
| 08:03.55 | Shirik | ok, abandoned is a better word |
| 08:04.10 | Shadowed | And they don't really change the API majorly that often if I remember right |
| 08:04.20 | Shirik | mmm it's enough to make a difference |
| 08:04.26 | Nom- | cybane: simple scripts don't count |
| 08:04.32 | Shirik | 2.0 is the only time I'd say its a "major" difference |
| 08:04.34 | cybane | Yes, they do |
| 08:04.43 | Nom- | cybane: When we refer to software, we're talking something with more than a hundred lines of code :P |
| 08:04.43 | Shirik | but addons have to be touched up from time to time |
| 08:04.44 | cybane | I love how people try to exclude things that break their rules |
| 08:04.46 | Shadowed | most of the time it's a relatively small area that requires specific mods to be updated, but they haven't really broken everything often |
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| 08:04.57 | Shirik | nah, I'd say they only did it twice |
| 08:04.58 | Shirik | 1.10 and 2.0 |
| 08:05.06 | Shadowed | what'd 1.10 bring again? |
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| 08:05.14 | Shirik | can't modify MPQs |
| 08:05.16 | AnduinLothar | you haven't written enough addons ;) |
| 08:05.26 | Shirik | or maybe that was earlier |
| 08:05.37 | Shirik | it used to be addons would directly write into the MPQ to change something |
| 08:05.43 | Shadowed | oh that |
| 08:05.44 | Shirik | one of the patches stopped that because addons were conflicting like mad |
| 08:05.50 | Shadowed | Wasn't that earlier, like 1.9? |
| 08:05.56 | Shirik | forget, but it's somewhere back there :P |
| 08:06.00 | AnduinLothar | also 'major' is dependant on who you ask and if they had a feature that was changed or removed in their addon... |
| 08:06.06 | nevcairiel | 1.10 implemented CreateFrame |
| 08:06.09 | Shadowed | It wasn't MPQ, it was you couldn't place files in Interface/FrameXML and it would replace the Blizzard one |
| 08:06.18 | Shirik | something like that |
| 08:06.19 | Shadowed | but that didn't really break everything |
| 08:06.22 | Shirik | I wasn't writing addons at the time |
| 08:06.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | i remember when cosmos hooked into framexml |
| 08:06.45 | Shadowed | it may have given you a better option then XML, but you weren't required to us it |
| 08:06.59 | AnduinLothar | replaced framexml |
| 08:07.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | ah |
| 08:07.07 | Nom- | cybane: You can exclude simple scripts |
| 08:07.27 | Nom- | cybane: Because generally they're designed for an extremely small task or one-off job |
| 08:07.44 | Nom- | cybane: In which case, the user requirements won't have time to change or evolve |
| 08:08.05 | Nom- | The reality is, for any production system, software is an evolving, everchanging process |
| 08:08.07 | Shirik | arrg... the updater is spewing errors to stderr... but it works perfectly >< |
| 08:08.16 | Nom- | Why do you think there's 15 versions of Microsoft Office? |
| 08:08.30 | Shadowed | nobody will spend money on it if theres one? =p |
| 08:08.37 | Shirik | haha! |
| 08:08.42 | Shirik | probably partly true |
| 08:08.53 | Nom- | That's a side-effect of the release cycle |
| 08:09.01 | Nom- | Not of the software lifecycle |
| 08:09.13 | Nom- | or should i say, that's the business side of the release cycle |
| 08:09.16 | Shirik | but yeah, take windows update for example |
| 08:09.21 | Shirik | how many updates do they release a month |
| 08:09.27 | Nom- | Yup |
| 08:09.34 | Shadowed | well it was a joke mainly either way! |
| 08:10.35 | cybane | Oh FYI IMO, READ IN MY OPINON, the software development lifecycle was not developed by Programmers but by Business Men so they could sell programs faster |
| 08:10.44 | cybane | Just get it work enough to be out the door then we can maintain it |
| 08:11.13 | cybane | get it to work |
| 08:11.36 | cybane | It is cheaper to maintain software than it is to keep working on a single product |
| 08:11.56 | Nom- | No |
| 08:12.10 | Nom- | The software development lifecycle was developed by developers to map out the steps they were taking |
| 08:12.14 | Shirik | The thing is, environments change |
| 08:12.19 | Shirik | Nothing is ever constant |
| 08:12.22 | Shirik | as needs change, so does the program |
| 08:12.35 | Nom- | SDLC = Design, Impliment, Test, Release, Maintain, (Repeat) |
| 08:12.55 | Nom- | or you can replace release with deploy or whatever terminology you use |
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| 08:13.49 | cybane | Anyway the whole cycle was a business platform rather than an altrustic idea |
| 08:13.52 | Nom- | The business (pricing/sales model) comes in at the Release phase |
| 08:14.43 | Nom- | SDLC has nothing to do with the business or getting software out the door...it's just a name given to (funny enough) the process used to design software |
| 08:14.48 | cybane | But the business determines the time alloted for the other phanses which makes the maintaince phase longer. It is cheaper to maintain software than it is to develop it properly |
| 08:15.02 | Nom- | Which as I said before, design => impliment => test => release => repeat |
| 08:15.02 | cybane | I know what the SDLC is |
| 08:15.19 | cybane | However, you are missing my point |
| 08:15.42 | cybane | Design (usually some guy coming by your cube and says make this) |
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| 08:15.50 | cybane | Implement (pulls code out of ass( |
| 08:16.11 | cybane | Test (Does it work 80% of the time, yes then ship it we can fix it in the maint phase |
| 08:16.37 | cybane | The SDLC had good intentions but has become a reason for laziness IMO |
| 08:16.50 | Nom- | That has nothing to do with it |
| 08:16.51 | Shirik | A good testing strategy is much more complex than that |
| 08:17.00 | Shirik | it would revolve around boundary testing |
| 08:17.13 | Shirik | testing the standard conditions followed by the absolute extremes |
| 08:17.17 | Nom- | test is not "does it work 80% of the time", that's a load of bollocks |
| 08:17.29 | Nom- | Test is make sure it works as intended |
| 08:17.36 | cybane | Do you use windows |
| 08:17.40 | Nom- | Defects will ALWAYS be present no matter how much time is allocated to testing |
| 08:17.51 | cybane | Do you use 90% of the software that ships with more bugs than you can count |
| 08:18.00 | Shirik | It is impossible to test every possible condition |
| 08:18.09 | Nom- | Precisely, Shirik |
| 08:18.16 | cybane | But these bugs are known at the time of shipping |
| 08:18.17 | Nom- | It's impossible to test every possible thing that the user will do |
| 08:18.40 | Nom- | cybane: That's purely from the delay between release of the product and shipping |
| 08:18.43 | cybane | For example WoW. Shipped with plenty of bugs and they knew about it because it is cheaper to maintain it than to fix it. That is 100% business not SDLC |
| 08:18.56 | Nom- | From a developers' point of view, release and shipping are two completely different things |
| 08:19.22 | Shadowed | Actually |
| 08:19.30 | Shadowed | If you waited for a large project to be 100% bug free, you will never release it, or by the time you do it wont be relevent anymore. |
| 08:19.39 | cybane | The SDLC is a good idea if companies would follow it but the SDLC is not good business |
| 08:19.52 | Shadowed | WoW will never be bug free |
| 08:19.52 | Nom- | cybane: You're missing the point completely |
| 08:20.04 | Nom- | cybane: All developers follow the SDLC even if they don't knwo what it is |
| 08:20.12 | cybane | I get the point that people would rather have a product to maintain then to fix their shitty code |
| 08:20.19 | Nom- | You're misisng the point of the SDLC |
| 08:20.43 | cybane | If a carpenter would make a chair that had defects and promised to maintain it for you would you buy it? |
| 08:20.46 | Nom- | It only defines the steps, it doesn't define defect rates |
| 08:20.48 | Nom- | That's impossible |
| 08:20.55 | Shadowed | You're trying to compare apples to oranges |
| 08:21.20 | Shadowed | A chair is relatively simple, and you can usually find out if it has defects easly while building it. |
| 08:21.49 | Shadowed | A program can have hundreds of files and thousands and thousands of lines of code that all have to work together, changing one line can break something in another file and you may not even know or be able to test it |
| 08:21.49 | Nom- | When you're talking software |
| 08:22.12 | Nom- | You can do something like compare a small software package (notepad for instnace) to a small hosue |
| 08:22.33 | Nom- | Compare something like MS Word to something like a 120 storey skyscraper |
| 08:22.52 | Shirik | Let's put it this way: I just added something to this program I'm working on, right? Simple, took me maybe an hour to write. |
| 08:22.54 | cybane | MS Word started small |
| 08:23.04 | Nom- | Scale wise there's a lot more places that a skyscraper can be defective than the chair |
| 08:23.06 | Shirik | I spent the next 8 hours fixing all the problems it caused in other portions of the program |
| 08:23.25 | Shirik | That is precisely why bugs happen. Changing one thing affects many other things more often than not |
| 08:23.30 | Shirik | And nobody catches them all |
| 08:23.31 | Nom- | cybane: who cares where it *started* |
| 08:23.48 | Nom- | cybane: And tbc, MS Word was more complicated than Notepad even in it's initial version |
| 08:23.51 | cybane | Because they do not build MS Word 2007 from the ground up |
| 08:23.54 | Nom- | So my comparisons still stand |
| 08:24.05 | Shirik | I had Word on my 3.11 |
| 08:24.06 | cybane | Every time they have a complex program they reuse a lot of code |
| 08:24.07 | Shirik | I was amazed |
| 08:24.12 | Shirik | that and Lotus |
| 08:24.21 | Nom- | In fact, you could say MS Word 2007 is a small city |
| 08:24.22 | Shirik | Lotus 123 |
| 08:24.27 | Nom- | MS Word 1.0 was a Sky Scraper |
| 08:24.31 | Nom- | Notepad is a small house |
| 08:24.55 | Nom- | Scale wise, that's still probably accirate |
| 08:25.04 | Nom- | If not, then MS Word 2007 is closer to a small country :P |
| 08:25.36 | Bleeter | visicalc ftw! |
| 08:25.42 | Shirik | According to Wikipedia, MS WinXP is 50 million lines of code. Compare to Notepad, which you can write with MFC in about 200 lines. |
| 08:25.59 | Nom- | There we go :P |
| 08:26.10 | Nom- | So if Notepad is a house, Windows XP is a small continent :P |
| 08:26.12 | cybane | Take Linux |
| 08:26.23 | Bleeter | what are we arguing here? |
| 08:26.31 | Shirik | SLDC |
| 08:26.33 | cybane | About the same lines of code far less bugs but follows the SDLC to the letter |
| 08:26.35 | Shirik | SDLC* |
| 08:26.44 | Nom- | Bleeter: That finding defects in a chair is different from finding defects in something like MS Word |
| 08:26.56 | cybane | I was making a point that businesses exploit the maintanice side of the SDLC to get product out before it would be ready |
| 08:27.21 | Nom- | And this is the problem |
| 08:27.28 | Nom- | The SDLC describes the process |
| 08:27.39 | Nom- | It doesn't say that you must have 100% no failures at the testing phase |
| 08:27.47 | Shirik | btw, counting the lines of "linux" is next to impossible |
| 08:27.52 | Nom- | Nor does it define how long the testing phase is |
| 08:27.54 | cybane | I never said that you infered that from my statements |
| 08:27.57 | Shirik | Red Hat is listed with 17 million lines, whereas Debian is listed with over 200 |
| 08:28.04 | Nom- | It does, cybane |
| 08:28.08 | Bleeter | meh, businesses do that all the time... not just software. |
| 08:28.35 | Nom- | You're arguing that companies use process to justify releasing the code before it's ready |
| 08:28.40 | Nom- | Which is bollocks |
| 08:28.49 | Nom- | That's a business decision and FAR outside of the scope of the SDLC |
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| 08:29.17 | Nom- | Let's take a car for instance |
| 08:29.29 | Nom- | Many manufacturers call back vehciles due to defects becoming apparent |
| 08:29.55 | Nom- | That doesn't mean their process is faulty, it's just they made a decision, by accepting a certain amount of risk, to release the product |
| 08:30.04 | Bleeter | market risk assesment has no place in SDLC. that's why there are external parties who'll work out where in SDLC to start releasing so the devs can buy some pizza |
| 08:30.18 | Shirik | I want pizza :( |
| 08:30.19 | Bleeter | 'coz without any income, everyone's screwed |
| 08:30.22 | Nom- | lol |
| 08:30.25 | Nom- | Bleeter: That's not even right |
| 08:30.37 | Nom- | Bleeter: The code is released at the release phase in the cycle, no matter what |
| 08:30.49 | Nom- | Bleeter: The business model decides when that happens, not the SDLC |
| 08:30.53 | cybane | You can not say that a business man will look at the SDLC and sees the maintenance phase and decide to ship the product with more bugs than the developers would like. You sir are nieve |
| 08:31.00 | Bleeter | Nom-: that's what I said |
| 08:31.16 | Nom- | The moment you release a product to the public, you're in the release phase, regardless of where you are in the SDLC |
| 08:31.31 | Shirik | Ursj Nin abd /bleeter are takkibg |
| 08:31.33 | Shirik | er |
| 08:31.38 | Nom- | cybane: You've got it backwards |
| 08:31.40 | Bleeter | Shirik: *WTF* |
| 08:31.42 | Shirik | Yeah, nom and Bleeter are talking about the same thing really |
| 08:31.43 | Bleeter | :P |
| 08:31.45 | Shirik | um |
| 08:31.47 | Shirik | hand in wrong place |
| 08:31.51 | Bleeter | tmi |
| 08:31.55 | Shirik | ..... |
| 08:32.07 | Nom- | cybane: The maintenace phase exists regardless |
| 08:32.18 | Nom- | cybane: The BUSINESS decides where the release phase begins |
| 08:32.36 | Nom- | It's two completely seperate process |
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| 08:33.38 | Nom- | The BUSINESS is the one who decides how much more testing is required before entering the Release phase |
| 08:33.51 | cybane | The business controls the flow of the SDLC |
| 08:33.54 | cybane | Not the developers |
| 08:34.03 | JunkHead-Work | Ok so i'm reading this forum thread... |
| 08:34.06 | Nom- | *sigh* |
| 08:34.13 | JunkHead-Work | Asking "what is your server famous for?" |
| 08:34.24 | Nom- | http://www.computerworld.com/developmenttopics/development/story/0,10801,71151,00.html |
| 08:34.27 | Nom- | Read the damn process |
| 08:34.32 | JunkHead-Work | I am on page 13, and not one single reply about my realm.:P |
| 08:34.48 | Nom- | No software company will release any softeware until it reaches Acceptance, installation, deployment |
| 08:34.53 | cybane | I do not have to I already know the cycle you are just to niave to believe that the whole cycle is being exploited to release shoddy code |
| 08:35.05 | cybane | You do not agree with my opinon which is fine |
| 08:35.19 | Nom- | lol |
| 08:35.33 | ZealotOnAStick | JunkHead-Work: what forum is that thread on? |
| 08:35.42 | JunkHead-Work | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=88630595&sid=1&pageNo=14 |
| 08:36.01 | Nom- | I find it funny that you're calling it "shoddy code" just because it's got a few bugs |
| 08:36.10 | ZealotOnAStick | well, that'll get me there, but it's not an answer to what I asked. :P |
| 08:36.23 | Shirik | cybane: You are the first person I've ever heard to make the argument. Yes, businessmen do make decisions occasionally which may be against the desires of the programmer, but that's not related to the SDLC |
| 08:37.05 | cybane | What part of the process does a patch come from? |
| 08:37.11 | cybane | In your view |
| 08:37.22 | Nom- | It can be from either maintenance or a new release |
| 08:37.24 | Shirik | from a developer view, maintenance, or occasionally release |
| 08:37.30 | JunkHead-Work | Would you rather me just say "official forums" so that you can go there and possibly have to dig 3-4 pages in to find it? |
| 08:37.34 | cybane | I do not write code for a living because the system is corrupt and I will not sell my intellectual property |
| 08:37.55 | cybane | Okay why does software require a patch normally |
| 08:38.01 | Nom- | cybane: Now i'm starting to realise why you're views on the SDLC are whacked |
| 08:38.02 | cybane | to fix a bug or problem with code |
| 08:38.14 | Nom- | Yes, and? |
| 08:38.41 | Nom- | What, you think a 120 storey skyscraper runs itself? |
| 08:38.51 | Nom- | The lifts break down occasionally, the light globes need to be replaced |
| 08:39.01 | Shirik | light globes? |
| 08:39.04 | Shirik | what's that |
| 08:39.05 | cybane | But that is not a fault of the building itself |
| 08:39.11 | Nom- | Windows get broken, pipes burst |
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| 08:39.27 | Bleeter | it's a fault of the designers for not installing better parts |
| 08:39.45 | Nom- | ok then fine |
| 08:39.48 | Nom- | welds break |
| 08:39.54 | Nom- | bolts get damaged |
| 08:40.00 | Nom- | beams rust |
| 08:40.01 | cybane | Okay fine here is a real life example WoW was released before blizzard wanted to because their publisher wanted to make money |
| 08:40.16 | cybane | They knew the maintence phase would allow for the bug fixes |
| 08:40.35 | Nom- | lol cite a reference from someone at blizzard stating that |
| 08:40.35 | cybane | The game worked well enough |
| 08:40.54 | cybane | Beta forums no longer acceable sorry |
| 08:41.12 | Nom- | Even still |
| 08:41.15 | cybane | What you are stating is nieve |
| 08:41.23 | cybane | The process and does get exploited |
| 08:41.27 | cybane | is and does |
| 08:41.36 | cybane | It is a great system I like it |
| 08:41.40 | Nom- | So where do you believe it was released in the cycle then? |
| 08:42.06 | cybane | It was released at the release phase because the company felt it worked well enough to enter the maintenance phase |
| 08:42.16 | cybane | To make money off of |
| 08:42.32 | Nom- | No, where do you think the developers were at when they decided to release? |
| 08:42.50 | cybane | Testing cuz it was open beta |
| 08:42.52 | Bleeter | you're suggesting that whoever blizz was getting the cash from to fund WoW development acted illegally because they wanted some cash coming back in before the devs thought it'd be a good spot? |
| 08:42.59 | Nom- | Right. |
| 08:43.07 | Bleeter | s/spot/point in time to release/ |
| 08:43.15 | Nom- | And as we covered earlier, the business, through risk analysis decides when release happens, not the developers |
| 08:43.18 | cybane | Not illegally but did not care about the quality of software past will people buy it |
| 08:43.18 | Bleeter | gah, bloody purl |
| 08:43.30 | Nom- | Of course they cared |
| 08:43.42 | Nom- | They took a business risk in releasing it |
| 08:43.56 | cybane | because they cared enough about the money not the code |
| 08:44.05 | Shirik | Ok I think this about sums it up |
| 08:44.12 | Nom- | They obviously felt the risk of releasing it later far outweighed the risk of releasing it sooner |
| 08:44.16 | Shirik | The developers do not determine when you move from one phase to the next in the SDLC |
| 08:44.24 | Shirik | But the SDLC is always followed precisely |
| 08:44.31 | Bleeter | they have to care about the momey... not much point worrying about when to release if you can't pay for *any* devs because nothing's generating income |
| 08:44.34 | cybane | No shit |
| 08:44.39 | Nom- | Yes, thankyou for putting it so sussinctly Shirik |
| 08:45.01 | Nom- | And that's exactly why saying that the SLDC is flawed, you're an idiot |
| 08:45.04 | cybane | That was my point the business controls flow even if one portion is 56 minutes it still happens |
| 08:45.22 | cybane | I am saying that it is Flawd by practice not by design |
| 08:45.26 | Shirik | Business controls flow, yes, but that's called risk analysis not exploitation |
| 08:45.40 | cybane | Remove the maintenance phase |
| 08:45.41 | Shirik | No matter what the business decides to do, there is no getting around the SDLC |
| 08:45.47 | Nom- | Sure it might not be perfect, but for the reasons you've described, the SDLC is working perfectly |
| 08:45.47 | Shirik | it's inevitable |
| 08:45.54 | cybane | Theoretically imagine it was never in there |
| 08:45.55 | Bleeter | it's only "flawed by practice" if you've got your head stuck in some theoretical model of SDLC which has no relationship to IRL |
| 08:46.09 | Nom- | You can't not have a maintenance phase |
| 08:46.19 | Shirik | Like I said, it is impossible to get around any phase of the SDLC |
| 08:46.31 | Shirik | No matter what you do, it's impossible |
| 08:46.41 | Nom- | If they had to make sure it's bug free, we wouldn't be playing WoW yet |
| 08:46.48 | Shirik | s/yet/ever/ |
| 08:47.20 | Shirik | by the time they finally think they've got everything perfect |
| 08:47.23 | Shirik | Hardware changes |
| 08:47.25 | Shirik | Times change |
| 08:47.30 | Shirik | That's where the cycle starts over |
| 08:47.32 | Nom- | As the number of defects approaches 0, time approaches infinite |
| 08:47.51 | Bleeter | or some startup's got the jump on you 'coz they've released with a few bugs that they've done a risk assesment for and determined they can get by with them |
| 08:48.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh wow |
| 08:48.34 | Shirik | yes, WoW |
| 08:48.45 | Nom- | Thanks for tuning in, Mr_Rabies2 :) |
| 08:48.50 | cybane | You guys think it is okay to release code that does not work. That is fine for you but not for me and why I do not write code for a living I hold myself to a higher standard sorry |
| 08:49.06 | Nom- | lol cybane |
| 08:49.11 | Shirik | A good developer never follows that philosophy |
| 08:49.17 | Nom- | As I said, as the number of defects approches 0, time approaches infinite |
| 08:49.21 | Shirik | But.... |
| 08:49.32 | Shirik | hmm |
| 08:49.34 | Shirik | let me rephrase that |
| 08:49.45 | Shirik | I completely disagree with that statement |
| 08:49.49 | Shirik | I will always release code that works |
| 08:49.58 | Shirik | But, "work" and "bugfree" are two radically different ideas |
| 08:50.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | someone managed to get an early version of working dynamic water in garry's mod, using lua |
| 08:50.05 | cybane | Bugs happen |
| 08:50.16 | Nom- | bug = defect |
| 08:50.19 | cybane | However, known bugs should be fixed before release |
| 08:50.27 | Nom- | They're used interchangeably when you're talking about SDLC |
| 08:50.40 | Nom- | cybane: That's again a flawed argument |
| 08:50.58 | cybane | It is not an agruement it is an opinon |
| 08:51.07 | Nom- | cybane: Let's say I've got a bug which affects 1 in 100,000,000 connections, but is going to take 3 years to fix |
| 08:51.08 | Bleeter | what if it's a known bug discovered one day before release that to fix would cause such a large re-write that'd basically can the entire project? |
| 08:51.20 | Nom- | cybane: Are you saying the release should be delayed 3 years until that's fixed? |
| 08:51.36 | Shirik | heh I know applications like that |
| 08:51.51 | Shirik | RDX actually has a slight bug that works like that |
| 08:51.57 | Shirik | because it randomizes frame names in certain cases |
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| 08:52.04 | Shirik | with a number 1-100000000 |
| 08:52.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | we'd still be waiting for wow to release if they waited until they fixed all known bugs before releasing :x |
| 08:52.12 | Shirik | If two frames happened to match, it could cause problems |
| 08:52.27 | Shirik | what's the chances of that happening? (1/100million)^2 |
| 08:52.51 | Shirik | It would require a major rewrite to resolve the problem |
| 08:52.54 | Shirik | is it worth it? |
| 08:52.56 | Bleeter | FIXIT NOWWWW!!!! |
| 08:52.58 | Bleeter | YES |
| 08:53.03 | Shirik | .. |
| 08:53.10 | Bleeter | who cares if you want pizza! :P |
| 08:53.14 | Shirik | :( |
| 08:53.27 | Nom- | And following that same logic, let's say you experienced a bug in WoW |
| 08:53.34 | Nom- | Who's to say that bug isn't one of those? |
| 08:53.51 | Nom- | With the scale that WoW is at, you WILL get players hitting those 1 in a million bugs |
| 08:54.03 | Nom- | Is that any reason to not release a product? |
| 08:54.06 | Nom- | Fuck no. |
| 08:54.54 | Shirik | for the record |
| 08:54.58 | cybane | So you will use the maintenance phase to fix a known bug a problem with the code you wrote to make money. To me that is unethical |
| 08:55.04 | Shirik | the bug listed above has a 1/ 1 quadrillion chance of happening |
| 08:55.32 | Shirik | I wonder if it'll actually ever show up |
| 08:55.40 | Shirik | and even if it did, would the user just restart? |
| 08:55.42 | Shirik | And never report it? |
| 08:56.03 | Nom- | cybane: You're the nieve one |
| 08:56.21 | Industrial | No, you plan out different phases to test the product before releasing it, expecting by that time that there are only very minor bugs. Alpha, beta, open beta, release. |
| 08:56.21 | cybane | No I am not a business man |
| 08:56.34 | cybane | I fix all the bugs I find |
| 08:56.46 | Industrial | how are you gunna find them on your own |
| 08:56.47 | cybane | If I someone else finds a new one that is what the maintenance phase is for |
| 08:57.00 | cybane | Read my statement |
| 08:57.03 | Industrial | well.. thats why we have patch day |
| 08:57.05 | cybane | I never said I will fix all bugs |
| 08:57.07 | Industrial | :P |
| 08:57.10 | cybane | I fix all bugs I FIND |
| 08:57.18 | Bleeter | you'd rather the company went broke first? |
| 08:58.03 | cybane | No I just do not give them money until the software meets MY standards |
| 08:58.03 | Industrial | just put one guy full time on rewriting the interface (the lua part anyway) :D it needs more cowbell :> |
| 08:58.14 | Nom- | cybane: That's precisely why you don't get it. Even developers have to make a business call once in a while... |
| 08:58.20 | Bleeter | so you'd rather starve them |
| 08:58.39 | Bleeter | and you reckon 'our' point of view is unethical.. sheesh |
| 08:58.47 | Industrial | lol |
| 08:58.58 | Shirik | heh... what about this |
| 08:59.02 | Shirik | Every day we here about new vulnerabilities, hacks, etc. |
| 08:59.08 | cybane | No just a scape goat to justify releasing code that if fulkl of known bugs so you can sleep |
| 08:59.10 | Shirik | Hacks are merely exploitation of a bug |
| 08:59.24 | Nom- | Here in the REAL WORLD, programmers MUST make business decisions regarding their own code. |
| 08:59.31 | Shirik | In mission critical systems (governmental? top secret?) do you think they would intentionally release something with bugs? |
| 08:59.32 | cybane | The SDLC is great in its process flawed by practice |
| 08:59.45 | cybane | No |
| 08:59.55 | Nom- | "Will I spend 3 days fixing this bug which will affect maybe 1 person a month, or raise an internal bug to have it fixed later when we've got time to revisit" |
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| 09:00.02 | Shirik | they followed exactly the same cycle |
| 09:00.18 | cybane | But spend more time in texting |
| 09:00.26 | cybane | err testing |
| 09:00.31 | Nom- | Blizzard followed the exact same practice |
| 09:00.42 | Nom- | There's no way they would release a product with a known show stopper bug |
| 09:00.42 | Bleeter | are you gunna be paying the testers? |
| 09:00.55 | Bleeter | *how are you gunna be paying the testers if you've got no income? |
| 09:00.59 | cybane | But the game was released with a slew of known bugs because it is more profitable to write code in the maintenance phase than to do it right the 1st time |
| 09:01.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | <cybane> No just a scape goat to justify releasing code that if fulkl of known bugs so you can sleep |
| 09:01.14 | Nom- | Keeping in mind there is a MASSIVE disconnect between release of a product and distribution |
| 09:01.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | sometimes you have to think about priorities |
| 09:01.25 | Nom- | That's why so many new games have patches out the day before the game goes on sale |
| 09:01.32 | Bleeter | d/about priorities/ |
| 09:02.00 | cybane | All of the reasons you guys list are the reasons why I do not buy software packages because of this philosphy. Fix it later it works well enough now |
| 09:02.15 | Shirik | what are you using right now? |
| 09:02.16 | JunkHead-Work | Brb restarting. |
| 09:02.27 | cybane | What do you mean? |
| 09:02.35 | Shirik | are you not using a piece of software? |
| 09:02.41 | cybane | Irssi |
| 09:02.42 | cybane | Free |
| 09:02.54 | Bleeter | probably an app with known bugs, on an OS with known bugs, connected to a telco who has known bugs, etc. etc. etc. |
| 09:02.54 | Nom- | Exact...same...thing |
| 09:02.57 | Shirik | and you want to say that it has never had a bug? |
| 09:03.01 | cybane | I did not pay for it so I really have no right to complain about bugs |
| 09:03.05 | Industrial | like Free(tm) software doesnt have bugs |
| 09:03.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's something else i disagree with |
| 09:03.15 | Industrial | or is correctly written the first time |
| 09:03.16 | Nom- | lol cybane that's a whacked philosophy |
| 09:03.38 | Nom- | Even open source projects make the EXACT SAME business decisions |
| 09:03.39 | cybane | Nom just becuase you do not agree with it does not mean it is not true of this society |
| 09:03.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | you can complain about them, but don't bother the authors to the point that it's not helping things out |
| 09:04.09 | Shirik | Take Cide's bot! |
| 09:04.10 | Nom- | The only difference between open source and commercial software, is that there's far less commercial drive to release open software |
| 09:04.11 | Shirik | It still has bugs |
| 09:04.14 | Shirik | It's still released |
| 09:04.15 | Nom- | open source software |
| 09:04.16 | Industrial | cybane: I think its a social thing to complain about something not working right to help everyone. |
| 09:04.23 | Shirik | and it's most definitely free |
| 09:04.48 | Shirik | Why? Because the benefit of releasing it outweighs the risk of leaving those bugs. |
| 09:04.56 | cybane | Shirik do you use Vista? |
| 09:04.59 | Shirik | negative |
| 09:05.08 | cybane | Because of bugs and security holes? |
| 09:05.17 | Shirik | because I choose not to use it, nothing more |
| 09:05.23 | Shirik | Everything has bugs and security holes |
| 09:05.25 | Nom- | And on Shirik's note, there's still a business risk in releasing an open source project before it's ready too |
| 09:05.25 | Shirik | I don't even use a virus scanner |
| 09:05.28 | Industrial | ^ |
| 09:05.32 | Bleeter | particularly first releases |
| 09:05.52 | Nom- | You don't have to be an actual software business to make business decisions about software |
| 09:06.20 | cybane | Nom but sincew it is free software you can either fix them yourself or not care since you did spend your hard earned money on it |
| 09:06.23 | Shirik | There's a bug in Cide's bot that can cause her IRC client to lock up. It requires an extremely specific input, though. Usable only by someone who knows exactly what's going on. |
| 09:06.39 | Shirik | Is that any reason to stop releasing it and helping out the hundreds of people in here every day? |
| 09:06.42 | cybane | I have a problem supporting a business with my money that I worked hard to earn just so they can do a half assed job |
| 09:06.42 | Industrial | if its free you didnt earn money on it :P |
| 09:06.49 | Shirik | All it would take to recover from the problem is a simple restart of the client |
| 09:06.54 | Shirik | That's not much of a risk |
| 09:07.07 | Nom- | cybane: And by not supporting the business, they have less of an opportunity to fix the product |
| 09:07.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't use vista because of its security holes and bugs, i didn't think it was ready for release, but that's not the only reason i don't use it |
| 09:07.38 | cybane | But Microsoft Promises to fix those in the Maintenance Phase |
| 09:07.43 | Shirik | The other reason I don't use it is because I can't afford it and my school will give it to me for free next year |
| 09:07.49 | Shirik | Next year I will use it, bugs or not |
| 09:07.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'll wait for service pack 1 for Vista |
| 09:08.12 | Nom- | I've ordered it |
| 09:08.17 | Nom- | Should be waiting for me when I get home |
| 09:08.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | getting new OS's/game consoles in their first generation is almost always a bad idea |
| 09:08.23 | Industrial | I'm using it! (no just kidding) |
| 09:08.52 | Nom- | Mr_Rabies2: I normally agree, but I thought "what the hell" this time |
| 09:08.52 | Shirik | considering I don't use Microsoft products for anything really critical, I don't really care enough |
| 09:08.52 | Shirik | If I'm working on something important I'll switch to another OS |
| 09:08.54 | cybane | But the joys of the maintenance phase is all powerful WHY WOULD YOU QUESTION THEIR MOTIVES FOR RELEASE AH MY point is made I feel good now |
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| 09:09.33 | ZealotOnAStick | Your point is stupid. Not to mention repetitive. |
| 09:09.35 | Shirik | I've read that four times and I don't understand it :/ |
| 09:09.40 | ZealotOnAStick | Or maybe it's just you that's repetitive. |
| 09:09.45 | JunkHead-Work | Argument still going on I see. |
| 09:09.49 | Shirik | heh |
| 09:09.54 | Industrial | cybane: there is really only one motive for releasing something earlier and fixig it later. bankruptcy. |
| 09:09.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't question their motives for release, i know they decided to go ahead and release it so that a decent amount of the bugs (which are mostly 3rd party things) would be more likely to get fixed quickly |
| 09:09.56 | Shirik | hey, it's passing the time until McDonalds opens |
| 09:09.58 | Shirik | so I'm ok with it |
| 09:10.16 | JunkHead-Work | I still got almost 4 hours left until I get to go home. |
| 09:10.21 | Shirik | :( |
| 09:10.23 | JunkHead-Work | So please... continue. |
| 09:10.27 | Shirik | heh |
| 09:10.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | now that vista's not just a beta, ati/nvidia can get off their lazy asses and write some drivers |
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| 09:10.39 | Bleeter | hehe |
| 09:10.46 | Nom- | nvidia has drivers |
| 09:10.49 | Industrial | cybane: so if YOU know YOU dont want it because of their LACK of programming then YOU dont have to buy it |
| 09:10.49 | Nom- | so does ati |
| 09:10.51 | Nom- | last i checked |
| 09:10.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | i hear both are really buggy |
| 09:10.59 | Shirik | OT: Does anyone want to look at an algorithm I developed? It's running a bit slow for my standards but is the only real method I can think of |
| 09:11.17 | Nom- | Shirik: Sure, give me a clicky :) |
| 09:11.20 | Industrial | cybane: but certainly buying it and whining about bugs does help everyone :P |
| 09:11.22 | Shirik | mm let me write it up |
| 09:11.29 | Shirik | or ... do you understand java? |
| 09:11.38 | Nom- | I need to learn |
| 09:11.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | i generally don't get new OS's for precisely this reason, complicated hardware + new OS = fighting |
| 09:11.44 | Nom- | give me the code, and I can probably follow it |
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| 09:12.19 | Nom- | Mr_Rabies2: Not much different than the transition from 98 => 2000 and 2000 => XP |
| 09:12.22 | Nom- | *shrug* |
| 09:12.35 | Industrial | GNU/Linux \o/ |
| 09:12.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | plus the minor upgrades that vista is over xp, just aren't worth the money now |
| 09:12.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | that combined with the bugs, just isn't worth it yet |
| 09:13.03 | Nom- | Mr_Rabies2: It's not that minor of a change |
| 09:13.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm sure when the service packs come out, vista will be decent |
| 09:13.06 | ZealotOnAStick | I had almost no hardware issues with XP. |
| 09:13.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | maybe not internally, nom |
| 09:13.25 | ZealotOnAStick | hardware/driver, to clarify. |
| 09:13.33 | Nom- | lol minimal visual changes are intentional |
| 09:13.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | but to the end user, it's pretty minor |
| 09:13.45 | Nom- | You don't want to go changing the UI completely (which alienates the user) |
| 09:13.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | not just visual, features |
| 09:14.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | other than aero, dx10, and widgets, what's new? |
| 09:14.09 | JunkHead-Work | Aero is poop. |
| 09:14.10 | Nom- | I'd say over the next few Windows releases they'll slowly change the UI to where they want it |
| 09:14.14 | JunkHead-Work | Widgets are poop. |
| 09:14.16 | Shirik | Nom- let me get back to you I'll have you look at it later, I just found something I can do ;) |
| 09:14.23 | Industrial | Nom-: depends on the user. i think thats fun but yeah thats why we are in this channel xD |
| 09:14.24 | JunkHead-Work | Dx10... maybe not poop. |
| 09:14.26 | Nom- | Mr_Rabies2: Probably not a lot, as I said, it's a case of keeping it familiar |
| 09:14.34 | Industrial | Bleeter: wmii :D |
| 09:14.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | if it's so minor, why's it so damn expensive :[ |
| 09:14.47 | Shirik | DX10 is pretty sick |
| 09:14.50 | JunkHead-Work | Billy Bill nedds teh monies? |
| 09:14.52 | Nom- | Mr_Rabies2: Because the internals have changed lol |
| 09:14.52 | Shirik | some of the new things it has |
| 09:15.05 | Nom- | Mr_Rabies2: And the normal releases are not much more than XP |
| 09:15.19 | Nom- | Ultimate is in fact the same price as XP Pro when it came out |
| 09:15.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | people are just willing to pay that much, thus they charge that much |
| 09:15.28 | Shirik | Some of the quality pictures it can produce... I tried using the REF device to produce the same image |
| 09:15.32 | Shirik | and my computer went about 0.25 fps |
| 09:15.33 | Industrial | (people buy windows software?) |
| 09:15.35 | Shirik | instead of about 100 |
| 09:15.36 | Bleeter | Industrial: I was thinking something a bit more challenging, like twm :P |
| 09:15.40 | Nom- | So one could argue, taking inflation into account, that Vista is cheaper than XP Pro when it first came out |
| 09:15.43 | Nom- | ;) |
| 09:15.47 | Bleeter | s/challenging/alienating/ |
| 09:15.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | i, personally, am not, at this moment, for what is minor to me |
| 09:16.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | when Crysis comes out, maybe :p |
| 09:16.07 | Nom- | Vista will come down in price over the next few months |
| 09:16.12 | Industrial | Bleeter: ack |
| 09:16.20 | Nom- | It's the initial supply/demand dynamic |
| 09:16.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | i felt that xp wasnt worth the money when it was released |
| 09:16.36 | Nom- | As the distributors manufacture more copies, the supply will go up |
| 09:16.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | now it definitely is, two service packs later |
| 09:16.48 | Industrial | Bleeter: wmii is actually pretty usable :> |
| 09:16.53 | Nom- | I used XP when it first came out |
| 09:16.58 | JunkHead-Work | I'll get Vista when I feel I have a use for DX10. |
| 09:16.59 | Nom- | It was pretty damn awesome TBH |
| 09:17.05 | JunkHead-Work | As of right now, I don't see the point. |
| 09:17.09 | Nom- | My PC was a bit slow for it, but it was decent |
| 09:17.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | i stuck to 98SE till sp1 |
| 09:17.27 | Industrial | first thing i do with xp: turn off all the crap and make it 2000 |
| 09:17.33 | Nom- | actually, no |
| 09:17.35 | Shirik | heh |
| 09:17.38 | Nom- | I stuck with 2000 until SP1 |
| 09:17.40 | Nom- | That's right |
| 09:17.46 | Nom- | I switched to 2000 immediately |
| 09:17.50 | Shirik | I stuck with 98 until XPSP1 |
| 09:17.55 | Shirik | (98FE) |
| 09:18.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | i use a hacked uxtheme.dll or whatever |
| 09:18.03 | JunkHead-Work | AMD k6 400mhz w/192mb RAM and a Nvidia TNT 2 card... Longhorn Alpha.:P |
| 09:18.06 | Nom- | Win98 was NASTY |
| 09:18.11 | JunkHead-Work | Talk about a crwaling PC... |
| 09:18.11 | Shirik | it's all I had |
| 09:18.11 | Industrial | Mr_Rabies2: ha yeah |
| 09:18.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | to use a custom theme that's cleaner, faster, and prettier than 2000 :p |
| 09:18.15 | Shirik | I went from 3.11 to 98 |
| 09:18.37 | Industrial | Mr_Rabies2: linky! |
| 09:18.37 | JunkHead-Work | Win 98se was out when I started using PC's. |
| 09:18.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | one sec |
| 09:18.42 | Shirik | 3.11 -> 98 -> SuSE -> XP -> Red Hat -> Ubuntu |
| 09:18.44 | JunkHead-Work | So I actually skipped a lot. |
| 09:18.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh and i turn off all menu animations |
| 09:18.58 | JunkHead-Work | Win98se -> WinXP -> .... |
| 09:19.23 | Shirik | strangely enough |
| 09:19.25 | Shirik | aside from 3.11 |
| 09:19.31 | Shirik | The computer is exactly the smae one |
| 09:19.38 | Shirik | Of course, all the hardware has changed |
| 09:19.53 | Shirik | but it could arguably be defined as the same computer |
| 09:19.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | i can't link to it right now, Industrial |
| 09:19.59 | Shirik | just every few months I change out a part or two |
| 09:19.59 | Industrial | k |
| 09:20.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | deviantart seems to be down |
| 09:20.03 | Industrial | aw |
| 09:20.17 | Industrial | Mr_Rabies2: not here |
| 09:20.21 | Industrial | Mr_Rabies2: whats it called? |
| 09:20.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's up now |
| 09:20.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | metallic shades |
| 09:20.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/1905955/ |
| 09:21.15 | JunkHead-Work | My WinXP is just classic themes. Everything set to performance except for one thing. |
| 09:21.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've used it for years now, probably 5 years, haha |
| 09:21.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't like classic, too ugly |
| 09:21.36 | JunkHead-Work | I don't like the themes. |
| 09:21.40 | JunkHead-Work | I prefer classic. |
| 09:21.48 | JunkHead-Work | Which is probably where Aero doesn't impress me. |
| 09:21.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | i turned off all the animations, which helps a ton |
| 09:22.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | no, i don't want to wait an extra half second for a menu to fade in |
| 09:22.30 | JunkHead-Work | You know how in Xp you can go into visual effects? |
| 09:22.35 | JunkHead-Work | In performance options. |
| 09:22.39 | Bleeter | hehe, BeOS icons |
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| 09:22.51 | Bleeter | now there was a fun system |
| 09:22.54 | JunkHead-Work | Only thing I keep checked in common tasks in folders. |
| 09:23.11 | JunkHead-Work | I have BeOS somewhere at home. |
| 09:23.47 | Industrial | I like things minimal:P (wow too) |
| 09:23.55 | Industrial | http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/8914/untitledlj0.png |
| 09:25.15 | JunkHead-Work | You should see my setup at home.:P |
| 09:25.32 | Industrial | loll |
| 09:25.40 | Industrial | why? >_> |
| 09:26.09 | Bleeter | Industrial: boredom... got 15 mins before I gotta go colelct someone from the bust stop |
| 09:26.15 | Bleeter | er |
| 09:26.16 | Bleeter | bus |
| 09:26.25 | Nom- | hjome time |
| 09:26.25 | Bleeter | and collect.. damnit |
| 09:26.26 | Nom- | bbs |
| 09:26.33 | Bleeter | safe travels nom |
| 09:27.30 | Industrial | someone forced me into having to look over nearly all the visual styles on deviantart now :P Is there a max number of downloads i can do (per day?) on deviantart? :> |
| 09:27.43 | Shirik | not afaik |
| 09:27.47 | Industrial | k |
| 09:27.53 | Shirik | I have a site on deviant art |
| 09:27.57 | Shirik | haven't updated it in years thoug |
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| 09:28.45 | Shirik | http://darkroommaster.deviantart.com/ |
| 09:28.49 | Shirik | wow the age is very wrong |
| 09:28.51 | Shirik | I should adjust that |
| 09:28.56 | Shirik | I guess I haven't updated it in 3 years :P |
| 09:29.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | i remember when deviantart was mostly just windows shells and winamp skins and stuff |
| 09:29.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | now it's frightening fanart and furry art and horrible poetry |
| 09:29.33 | Shirik | by far my favorite: http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/7132177/?qo=6&q=by%3Adarkroommaster&qh=sort%3Atime+-in%3Ascraps |
| 09:29.47 | Industrial | Mr_Rabies2: emodump xD |
| 09:29.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | that reminds me of crysis shirik |
| 09:29.56 | kaso | I love that description of deviant art |
| 09:30.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | is that a good thing or bad thing |
| 09:30.05 | Shirik | crysis? |
| 09:30.14 | Industrial | kaso: emodump? :> |
| 09:30.27 | kaso | not you! |
| 09:30.35 | kaso | frightening fanart and furry art and horrible poetry |
| 09:30.41 | Shirik | oh and this one, took it when I was 13: http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/7110231/?qo=11&q=by%3Adarkroommaster&qh=sort%3Atime+-in%3Ascraps |
| 09:31.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | Shirik: http://www3.incrysis.com/screenshots/crysis-jeeps.jpg |
| 09:31.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's a game. |
| 09:31.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | rendered in realtime. |
| 09:31.10 | kaso | Though... |
| 09:31.13 | Shirik | oh cool |
| 09:31.15 | kaso | ive always loved http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/28874078/?q=Morning+Mistake&qh=boost%3Apopular+age_sigma%3A24h+age_scale%3A5 |
| 09:31.30 | Shirik | that's pretty good graphics |
| 09:31.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www3.incrysis.com/screenshots/crysis-jungle-gunfight.jpg |
| 09:32.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | they're amazing |
| 09:32.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | only reason i'd ever buy vista |
| 09:32.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | right there |
| 09:32.12 | Shirik | wow... |
| 09:32.18 | Shirik | that's not dx10 is it? |
| 09:32.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah |
| 09:32.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www3.incrysis.com/screenshots/crysis-jungle-dark.jpg |
| 09:32.47 | Shirik | yeah that's pretty insane |
| 09:33.10 | Shirik | I'm eagerly awaiting dx10 |
| 09:33.16 | kaso | Far Cry was released on Linux as well as windows, whats to say crysis wont be? |
| 09:33.28 | Shirik | it has some really, really cool things that are just going to make graphics unbelievable |
| 09:33.37 | Bleeter | the BS:G game's comin' out on Linux! :) |
| 09:33.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www3.incrysis.com/screenshots/crysis-render-black-guy.jpg |
| 09:34.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's an ingame model |
| 09:34.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | we're hitting uncanny valley |
| 09:34.10 | Shirik | locl |
| 09:34.13 | Shirik | "black guy" |
| 09:34.15 | cybane | Hey Shirik have you noticed games are starting to look more pretty than they are fun |
| 09:34.35 | Shirik | I typically don't have fun with the games themselves |
| 09:34.42 | Shirik | which is more of a personal decision than anything else |
| 09:34.47 | cybane | lol |
| 09:34.51 | Shirik | I choose not to play them but rather interact with the community |
| 09:35.24 | cybane | Well I have been noticing a lot of game companies tout their game looks better but usually not as fun |
| 09:35.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | welll, supposedly it takes farcry's AI and ramps it way way up in realism |
| 09:35.58 | cybane | Some of the funnest games can be found on Atari |
| 09:36.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | i honestly don't care, you could just fly around from viewpoint to viewpoint and i'd buy crysis |
| 09:36.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | just to see it |
| 09:36.03 | Shirik | My concept of "fun" is solving problems. Thus, I'm a developer by trade. I find actual joy in producing programs, solving problems. |
| 09:36.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www3.incrysis.com/screenshots/crysis-view-mountains.jpg |
| 09:36.15 | Shirik | Most don't enjoy it, and I don't know why I do, but it's just something I like doing. |
| 09:36.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | the best game ever is tribes 1 |
| 09:36.25 | Shirik | I'd argue this is true of most (successful) developers |
| 09:36.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | and that game looks horrid |
| 09:36.32 | kaso | I loved tribes <3 |
| 09:36.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | kaso, imagine a tribes game |
| 09:36.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | on the crysis engine |
| 09:36.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | on those mountains |
| 09:36.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | :aaaaa: |
| 09:37.00 | kaso | Mr_Rabies2 the first crysis shot i ever saw was this, its still amazing: http://kasoo.net/img/imgs/comparison018mx4df.jpg |
| 09:37.16 | cybane | You know the best game is the world could be just blocks that did things and people would give it low rating because it is not pretty enough |
| 09:37.44 | Shirik | That's a difficult assumption to make |
| 09:37.50 | Shirik | RF Online was a beautiful, beautiful game |
| 09:37.54 | Shirik | Yet, it mostly failed |
| 09:38.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | graphics don't really matter, but they're still rather important |
| 09:38.00 | Shirik | Why? Because of the game itself |
| 09:38.08 | cybane | That is my Point Shirik |
| 09:38.26 | Shirik | I think it's the opposite of your point |
| 09:38.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | without good graphics, the game won't sell a billion copies and keep support by publishers |
| 09:39.09 | cybane | My point is game companies care more about pretty than the actual gameplay / features |
| 09:39.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | well of course |
| 09:39.17 | cybane | To me pretty pictures are not a feature lol |
| 09:39.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's what sells |
| 09:39.27 | Shirik | to some, they are |
| 09:39.29 | Shirik | myself included |
| 09:39.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | i think they're rather important |
| 09:39.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | but if the game's no fun, then that's a major strike against it |
| 09:39.53 | Shirik | And if you think I'm just making this up, go back and look at my reaction when Mr_Rabies showed me those pictures ;) |
| 09:40.08 | cybane | heh for example Final Fantasy for the NES |
| 09:40.17 | cybane | Still a fantasitic game now |
| 09:40.25 | cybane | but noe that great in graphics |
| 09:40.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | castlevania, symphony of the night |
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| 09:40.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | my only problem is that 2d games are starting to be removed |
| 09:40.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | er, developed less |
| 09:40.55 | cybane | Final Fnatasy III on the DS only really had a major grpahics haul change they let 90% of the game alone. Would it have sold if they kept the old graphics maybe |
| 09:41.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | a nice crisp sprite is a lot cheaper, looks better, and is more than enough for a decent amount of games needlessly rendered in 3d |
| 09:41.45 | cybane | The reason I play games is for a good story |
| 09:41.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | like, for example, they're converting castlevania rondo of blood and symphony of the night to 3d graphics, for psp |
| 09:41.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | and it's gonna look bad |
| 09:41.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't really play for story, i play for entertainment |
| 09:42.12 | cybane | A Story is entertainment ever read a book? |
| 09:42.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | yes, not so much anymore |
| 09:42.27 | cybane | Why do you go to see a movie |
| 09:42.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | because they're not interactive :p |
| 09:42.32 | cybane | For the pretty people? |
| 09:42.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | entertainment |
| 09:42.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | seein stuff get blown up, laughing, having a good time |
| 09:42.47 | cybane | Why does it entertain you? |
| 09:43.01 | Industrial | cybane: #care :| |
| 09:43.30 | Industrial | cybane: cause we are humans? |
| 09:43.46 | kaso | I wonder what would happen if i installed a Virused patch via wine |
| 09:43.46 | kaso | hmm |
| 09:43.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | i mean, story's pretty cool, but i don't play console rpgs much anymore unless i love the battle system |
| 09:43.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | because it's all rehashed stuff |
| 09:44.09 | cybane | Without the story there are no explosions |
| 09:44.36 | cybane | Without the Story 300 is meaningless |
| 09:44.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'd like to dispute that by throwing snakes on a plane at you |
| 09:44.42 | Industrial | ha |
| 09:44.58 | Industrial | cybane: thats for RPG games anyway. |
| 09:45.02 | cybane | The story was not that bad |
| 09:45.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | i had fun watching snakes on a plane, but i'd have liked it more if they'd have kept ronnie yu |
| 09:45.24 | Industrial | cybane: I also play games because I like to prove to myself that I have the skill to do X |
| 09:45.39 | Industrial | cybane: like dance dance revolution like games or shooters |
| 09:45.51 | cybane | DDR does take skill |
| 09:45.52 | Shirik | I will destroy you a DDR |
| 09:45.55 | Shirik | at* |
| 09:45.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | console rpgs always include the obligatory 'the earth is a blah blah blah crappy monologue that no one cares about blah blah' said by the healer priest chick in the party |
| 09:46.00 | Industrial | probably |
| 09:46.03 | Shirik | =P |
| 09:46.03 | cybane | Or atleast practice |
| 09:46.06 | Industrial | same with PVP in MMORPG |
| 09:46.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | grandia's the only console rpg i appreciate these days, because of the battle system |
| 09:46.21 | Industrial | its fun to get better and fun to be better :) |
| 09:46.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | plus the magic never gets old, the spells are so entertaining to watch |
| 09:46.30 | cybane | Even DDR has a story behind it |
| 09:46.37 | cybane | Heck even Gituar Hero has a story |
| 09:46.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | not really, haha |
| 09:46.50 | Industrial | what story lol |
| 09:46.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | you're in a band, you travel to x |
| 09:46.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | you play songs and get money |
| 09:47.03 | Industrial | arrows fly by press the correct buttons or die NOWNOWNOW ? |
| 09:47.07 | cybane | Simple but still a story that you control |
| 09:47.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm saying i don't care about a -good- story |
| 09:47.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | having a story is pretty much required for any form of ...storytelling... |
| 09:47.45 | Industrial | ill care with movies and books - wich are about storytelling mostly |
| 09:48.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's like saying i don't care about graphics, but then you come out and say you have to have a visual framework to play a game |
| 09:48.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | :X |
| 09:48.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | well, that's not entirely true |
| 09:48.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | i played this one game that had no visuals |
| 09:48.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | black screen |
| 09:48.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | you shut your eyes and put on headphones and played this blind beast thing with amplified hearing |
| 09:48.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | in a pit |
| 09:49.00 | Industrial | o_O |
| 09:49.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | chasing down people by their breathing and heartbeat and mauling them |
| 09:49.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | it was pretty fun |
| 09:49.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.studiohunty.com/itp/ |
| 09:49.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | rofl, check out the screenshot |
| 09:51.02 | Industrial | well story and graphics and gameplay add to the gaming experience but sometimes you dont need a story or even (good) graphics. Define good really. I think Tyrian has good graphics (http://members.iinet.net.au/~vannevar/tyrian/) and i dislike the wow art. |
| 09:51.18 | Industrial | wow is still fun cause of good gameplay and to me (not yet) a good story. |
| 09:51.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | i love how wow looks |
| 09:51.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's cartoony in a world filled with games trying to look hyper realistic |
| 09:51.44 | Industrial | i like it real in rpgs. not cartoony |
| 09:51.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | and amazingly smoothly animated |
| 09:51.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | i hate how eq2 looks |
| 09:52.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | it looks like someone just chucked a bunch of free models from bryce or something into a generic fantasy world |
| 09:53.11 | cybane | and WoW looks like some highschool kid's art project your point |
| 09:53.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | trying for hyper realism isn't a great idea unless you really know what you're doing, like the crysis team |
| 09:53.16 | Industrial | I'd like wow better if it tried to be realistic |
| 09:53.16 | cybane | It is just different styles |
| 09:53.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | i wouldn't indy |
| 09:53.36 | cybane | Industrial Define real in a fantasy world? |
| 09:53.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'd probably stop playing if they changed it to be more realistic |
| 09:54.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | like oblivion |
| 09:54.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | i think oblivion looks like crap |
| 09:54.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | and wow looks amazing, compared to it |
| 09:54.38 | cybane | Wow is medium textures with low poly count models |
| 09:54.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | oblivion is terribly animated, all the textures are muddy, and it just doesn't feel like a living world |
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| 09:54.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | wow can get by with semi-muddy textures because they're cartoony models |
| 09:54.58 | cybane | WoW also uses a lot of bright colors to have clean lines |
| 09:55.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | wow looks like crap in screenshots |
| 09:55.16 | Industrial | cybane: I meant realistic. As if I could be there. It doesnt have to be 1:1 wit our world in terms of what you see because yeah its fantasy, it does have to have normal proportions etc. |
| 09:55.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | but in movement, it looks so much better |
| 09:55.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | the animations really make wow |
| 09:55.51 | cybane | WoW follows the artistic styles of the Warcraft games |
| 09:56.04 | Industrial | the feel makes wow for me. the way the camera works and how instant spells and abolities are |
| 09:56.07 | Industrial | it flows |
| 09:56.10 | cybane | To divert would remove a major part of the video games today and that is artistic style |
| 09:56.13 | Industrial | cybane: and i dont like it :P |
| 09:56.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | they're so far ahead of the other MMOs, and a lot of other games in general |
| 09:56.26 | cybane | You opinon and entitled to it =D |
| 09:56.28 | Industrial | id rather have lotr elves for example |
| 09:56.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | i think wow's probably one of the better looking games out there, honestly |
| 09:56.59 | cybane | WoW is good because it runs well on older systems |
| 09:57.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | all that the excessive bump mapping and crap does is make things look muddy |
| 09:57.16 | cybane | Due to the less intensives graphics |
| 09:58.10 | cybane | For me though a game's functionality and inbedded systems will mean more to than how pretty my avatar or that tree is. Or how realistic the water looks |
| 09:58.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | hell i think tribes 1 looks better than, say, eq2 |
| 09:58.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.pc.no/art/images/tribes-skjermbilde1.jpg |
| 09:59.06 | cybane | One thing that really does cheese me off is when a game review gets good reviews based on how real the water looks WHO CARES it is fricken water |
| 09:59.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://vnscripts.ign.com/screenshots/images/eq2/87083465.jpg |
| 09:59.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | ugh |
| 09:59.37 | Industrial | cybane: http://members.iinet.net.au/~vannevar/tyrian/info.html |
| 09:59.38 | Industrial | :-) |
| 09:59.45 | cybane | You know how people dogged the Zedla before the one the Wii |
| 09:59.50 | Industrial | er minus the cybane: |
| 10:00.01 | cybane | That game had some of the best game play around |
| 10:00.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | i think there's still plenty of room for sprites out there |
| 10:00.09 | cybane | Yeah it was cartoony but it played well |
| 10:00.34 | cybane | Also, Kingdom hearts has a cult following good story and game play but a lot of people think it is just for kids due to disney |
| 10:01.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://game.116.com.cn/uploadfiles/game/20047676526.jpg |
| 10:01.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | crisp graphics > realistic graphics |
| 10:01.37 | cybane | Some of the best games around did not have an M rating |
| 10:01.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | realism = a lot of browns and dark greens |
| 10:02.23 | cybane | Just like a lot of great movies do not need an R rating |
| 10:02.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | i won't watch pg-13 horror |
| 10:02.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | because i know it'll just be lame, and not the good kind of lame |
| 10:02.44 | cybane | I never understood why people like watching horror they are all really corney to me |
| 10:03.05 | Kirkburn | This is reality :) http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=224 |
| 10:03.24 | cybane | Horror = things flashing on the screen. You wanna watch a horror watch a kid go through Children Services that is a horror |
| 10:03.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | cybane, no |
| 10:03.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's recent horror |
| 10:03.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | pg13 horror specifically |
| 10:03.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | jump scenes do not a good horror movie make |
| 10:04.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's just cheap scares |
| 10:04.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | like silent hill versus resident evil |
| 10:04.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | resident evil just uses cheap startling stuff to make you jump |
| 10:04.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | whereas silent hill will seriously mess with your mind if you play it in the dark |
| 10:04.39 | cybane | ROFL @ that comic |
| 10:06.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | this part of silent hill scared the crap out of me :[ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIuZARe_J90 |
| 10:06.33 | cybane | I never finished Doom3 due to all the creppy sounds the jumping out I got used to though it was the sounds that messed with me |
| 10:06.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | eh doom 3 only startled me |
| 10:06.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | silent hill is the one thing that actually creeps me out |
| 10:06.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | nothing else does |
| 10:06.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | well, except furries |
| 10:06.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | i have some kind of irrational fear to furries |
| 10:06.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | not furry art, it makes me confused, and a little sad |
| 10:06.59 | Industrial | :p |
| 10:07.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | but when i see a guy in a fursuit i get this feeling of dread |
| 10:07.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | like, i was at an anime convention (don't hate) and saw some guy in a fursuit, and honestly had to get out of that room RIGHT THEN |
| 10:07.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | like, anxiety++ |
| 10:08.08 | wobin_ | You didn't want to be yiffed? |
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| 10:08.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | i dunno, it was weird |
| 10:09.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | like, i can tolerate pretty much anything that japan can throw at me, with some wtfs, but that's about it |
| 10:09.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | but furries really creep me out |
| 10:09.21 | cybane | I like vg cats |
| 10:09.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | so do maskers |
| 10:10.41 | wobin_ | maskers? |
| 10:10.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/1430/osakacc8.jpg |
| 10:10.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | freaks me the hell out |
| 10:11.01 | wobin_ | okay |
| 10:11.04 | wobin_ | That's ... |
| 10:11.12 | wobin_ | IAWTC |
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| 10:11.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | thats an acronym i'm not familiar with |
| 10:11.43 | wobin_ | I agree with that comment |
| 10:11.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh that's not the half of it |
| 10:11.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/5899/osakaaaughyo3.jpg |
| 10:11.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | OSAKA NO /cry |
| 10:12.17 | Industrial | AAAAHH dont do that again |
| 10:12.29 | Industrial | ZE GOGGLEZ ZO NOZZINK |
| 10:12.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | his name was chris and he had a weird squeaky voice, i talked to him with this feeling of "LEAVE THE AREA NOW" in the back of my mind |
| 10:12.37 | wobin_ | oh god |
| 10:12.41 | wobin_ | PUT IT BACK ON |
| 10:13.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | speaking of horrid sights at conventions |
| 10:13.14 | Industrial | next time bring a bat |
| 10:13.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | i saw more than one hambeast wearing nothing but body paint /cry |
| 10:13.38 | Industrial | "No. bad. BAAAD. *club* BAD." |
| 10:14.18 | Industrial | Mr_Rabies2: lolol im so never going to something like that |
| 10:14.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | other than furries, maskers, and mostly naked hambeasts, nerd conventions are pretty damn fun |
| 10:14.26 | wobin_ | ...hambeast...? |
| 10:14.40 | Industrial | piggishly fat |
| 10:15.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | i saw one of em in a sailor venus outfit, that was frightening |
| 10:15.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | then she bent over to pick up something she dropped and my retinas were never the same |
| 10:16.41 | Industrial | "is that... a hand coming out of there?" |
| 10:18.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | some guy dressed as bridget from guilty gear kept following me around |
| 10:18.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | that was pretty weird |
| 10:18.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | but everytime i saw this guy i laughed so much, he had a pimp walk and a little speaker that played the godzilla noise: http://www.fansview.com/2006/awa/0922a0153.jpg |
| 10:19.35 | Industrial | lol |
| 10:20.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.fansview.com/2006/awa/0922a0248.jpg |
| 10:20.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | LAFFO |
| 10:20.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | okay i'm done spamming, sorry :p |
| 10:21.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.fansview.com/2006/awa/aw2006.htm check this out for some comedy, i'm so glad i just went dressed like a nerd and not some japanese schoolgirl or something |
| 10:21.42 | Industrial | http://www.fansview.com/2006/awa/0922a0041.jpg |
| 10:21.50 | Industrial | iim so visiting this when im a bad mood |
| 10:21.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | then again a friend of mine went as sephiroth and almost got raped by hot fangirls :x |
| 10:21.52 | Industrial | insta laugh |
| 10:23.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | some guy with swans on his shoulders and no shirt was always behind me too |
| 10:23.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | between he and bridget i was paranoid |
| 10:23.57 | Industrial | http://www.fansview.com/2006/awa/0922a0077.jpg |
| 10:24.03 | Industrial | eeeeewwww lol |
| 10:24.11 | Industrial | i just watched cowboy bebop yesterday |
| 10:24.12 | Industrial | lmao |
| 10:24.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | could be worse |
| 10:24.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | could be manfaye |
| 10:25.23 | Industrial | this is more my style :P http://www.fansview.com/2006/awa/0922a0112.jpg |
| 10:26.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah i saw domokun, he was pretty cool |
| 10:26.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | some guy was a tetris block |
| 10:26.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | some stupid naruto guys attacked him and stabbed a hole in his block |
| 10:26.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | :[ |
| 10:26.30 | Industrial | :( |
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| 10:27.23 | Industrial | lol wrong side http://www.fansview.com/2006/awa/0922a0185.jpg |
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| 10:28.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | someone i know in real life is in there, she's may from guilty gear x |
| 10:30.32 | Industrial | wonder if they had room for parking all the short busses xD |
| 10:31.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | they obviously didn't have aenough showers by the smell |
| 10:35.38 | Industrial | Acceptable. http://www.fansview.com/2006/awa/0922b0625.jpg |
| 10:36.02 | Industrial | and http://www.fansview.com/2006/awa/0922b0639.jpg |
| 10:36.08 | Industrial | im viewing it all :P |
| 10:37.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.fansview.com/2006/awa/0923a0429.jpg YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG |
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| 10:45.05 | Industrial | http://www.fansview.com/2006/awa/0923a0340.jpg |
| 10:45.11 | Industrial | *falls off his chair, again* |
| 10:46.30 | Industrial | pass: http://www.fansview.com/2006/awa/0923a0270.jpg http://www.fansview.com/2006/awa/0923a0279.jpg http://www.fansview.com/2006/awa/0923a0356.jpg (on the right) |
| 10:48.18 | Industrial | ok i could spend all day in a gallery but i have to code :< |
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| 10:57.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | ms angel wings does not pass |
| 10:57.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | because people that have wings are jerks, take up the whole damn hallway more please >:[ |
| 10:57.45 | Shirik | I had "wings" when I played RF :( |
| 11:04.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh i was reading about linux on the 360 |
| 11:04.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | the ability to use unsigned code was patched out in january |
| 11:05.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | so if you get any games from later than that or log online there's a good chance you'll be patched |
| 11:06.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | so you're essentially stuck with a cheap computer, possibly with the ability to play older 360 games offline, but go online or play newer games, and you're screwed :p |
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| 11:30.20 | Shirik | Cairenn|afk / dolby-wowi / some other mod here? |
| 11:31.15 | Bleeter | Shirik: 'some other mod' = Iriel|Away and clad|sleep |
| 11:31.35 | Shirik | I didn't know if there were any more other than them, so figured I'd hit em all :P |
| 11:33.00 | Shirik | Bleeter - you know what's amusing? I've decided that to get the code to work on Linux, I'm going to have to write it in C++ |
| 11:33.08 | Shirik | I.e., use JNI |
| 11:33.37 | Shirik | Only a couple of functions that the Gnu JRE isn't implementing yet, but yeah |
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| 11:35.18 | Bleeter | sorry, the delay was caused by my guffaws :P |
| 11:35.26 | Shirik | >< |
| 11:35.43 | Bleeter | curiously enough, I've *finally* got around to purchasing Stroustup, K&R and APUE |
| 11:35.45 | Shirik | I've never actually used the JNI before but it's pretty decent |
| 11:36.01 | Shirik | um, if I said I don't know what any of those are... would you kill me? |
| 11:36.07 | Bleeter | I barely touched it back in the day, but I recall even then it wasn't too shabby |
| 11:36.28 | Bleeter | Stroustrup - C++ book, K&R - C book, APUE - Unix book |
| 11:36.40 | Shirik | ah, nice |
| 11:36.54 | Bleeter | stroustrup http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0201700735/103-4942044-5619804 |
| 11:37.31 | Bleeter | K&R http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0131103628/ |
| 11:37.42 | Bleeter | APUE http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0201433079/ |
| 11:37.56 | Bleeter | also splurged on a couple of QT books too |
| 11:38.31 | Shirik | I will have to investigate QT |
| 11:38.32 | Bleeter | but as far as those three go, only been meaning to buy them for past.. gawd, 10-15 years |
| 11:39.08 | Bleeter | I've been told APUE is par excellence |
| 11:40.21 | Bleeter | Shirik: http://www.qtcentre.org/ |
| 11:41.09 | Shirik | hm |
| 11:41.14 | Shirik | KDE is going to be written with Qt? |
| 11:41.28 | Bleeter | is written with QT |
| 11:41.32 | Shirik | it is? |
| 11:41.40 | Bleeter | tho I think that says more about the KDE devs than QT itself ;) |
| 11:41.45 | Shirik | heh |
| 11:43.34 | Bleeter | yeah, current KDE is QT3 |
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| 11:45.01 | Shirik | bbiab :) |
| 11:51.28 | JoshBorke | *sigh* stupid spammers |
| 11:55.56 | clad|sleep | Bleeter: Shirik|Fooding: What "other mod" were you guys talking about? |
| 11:56.46 | Bleeter | clad|sleep: shirik was after a moderator for some reason (maybe website issue /shrug) |
| 11:56.53 | Bleeter | hope we didn't wake you with PING |
| 11:56.57 | clad|sleep | likely the reported post. |
| 11:56.58 | clad|sleep | thanks. |
| 11:57.43 | Bleeter | was it worthy of a report? |
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| 12:02.28 | clad|sleep | they always are |
| 12:02.31 | clad|sleep | and i'm the first one awake in the morning |
| 12:02.34 | clad|sleep | so i always get em, here |
| 12:12.46 | Shirik | clad|sleep: moderator for wowi |
| 12:13.39 | Shirik | and yeah, that's what it was |
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| 12:41.57 | hugo | hi |
| 12:42.00 | hugo | ckknight you alive |
| 12:42.57 | JoshBorke | hugo: ckknight isn't in here |
| 12:43.20 | zenzelezz | then my user list lies |
| 12:44.29 | JoshBorke | hm, mine too... |
| 12:45.43 | hugo | :P |
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| 14:03.31 | JoshBorke | morning |
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| 14:27.36 | JoshBorke | morning Cairenn |
| 14:27.38 | JoshBorke | morning cladhaire |
| 14:27.50 | Cairenn | hey JoshBorke :) |
| 14:28.10 | cladhaire | morning. |
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| 14:41.05 | JoshBorke | cladhaire: your StickyFrames is pretty much complete, right? |
| 14:41.30 | cladhaire | it was used in WatchDog for quite some time. |
| 14:41.37 | cladhaire | it could use more features, but yes. |
| 14:42.07 | JoshBorke | mmk |
| 14:42.19 | cladhaire | why do you ask? |
| 14:42.31 | JoshBorke | i'mma hack my PitBull to use it |
| 14:43.39 | cladhaire | the tricky thing is you have to specify a list of frames to "stick" against. |
| 14:43.56 | JoshBorke | yea |
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| 14:46.07 | JoshBorke | it doesn't support conditional stick points right, like frame1 sticks to frame2 only on frame1's right side, but frame1 can stick to frame3 on the left/right/top side |
| 14:46.14 | cladhaire | no |
| 14:46.49 | Kirkburn | But of news - the British soldiers are going to be released by Iran |
| 14:46.58 | Kirkburn | *Bit |
| 14:47.00 | cladhaire | good |
| 14:48.07 | Kirkburn | Aye, very |
| 14:48.34 | MoonWolf | both the brits and iranies were idiots in that stupid situation |
| 14:48.42 | Kirkburn | How so? |
| 14:48.45 | MoonWolf | there is not doubt in my mind that those brits were in iran waters. |
| 14:48.53 | MoonWolf | and iran should not have gone the kidnap route. |
| 14:49.12 | [Ammo] | I agree with moonwolf |
| 14:49.13 | Kirkburn | Whoa, what makes you think they were in iranian waters apart from what the Iranians said? |
| 14:49.40 | MoonWolf | because the iranians are NOT idiots and do not want a reason for the world to shoot them. |
| 14:49.55 | Kirkburn | Oh sure, they have no history of defying international agreements |
| 14:49.58 | Kaso | The iranians have been sabre rattling for ages |
| 14:50.12 | [Ammo] | well the brits were probably in iranian waters |
| 14:50.31 | Kaso | then why would the british government lie? |
| 14:50.32 | [Ammo] | or they suck at reading their GPS systems |
| 14:50.36 | Kirkburn | I'd check up on the iranian and brit versions of events |
| 14:50.38 | Kaso | that seems a more suicidal act |
| 14:51.02 | Kirkburn | Especially when Iran's initial position for the boat was /inside Iraqi waters/ |
| 14:51.20 | Kirkburn | (check the news.bbc.co.uk) |
| 14:52.01 | Kirkburn | The versions of events (UK and Iran) - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/6502805.stm |
| 14:55.25 | Kirkburn | Wow, reading over what Ahmadinejad said: "I'm asking Mr Blair to not put these 15 personnel on trial because they admitted they came to Iranian territorial water" ... how kind! |
| 14:56.00 | Kirkburn | I'm sorry, but if that's not propaganda double-speak, what is? |
| 14:56.20 | MoonWolf | triple speak ? |
| 14:56.35 | Kaso | Doublethink |
| 14:57.35 | Kirkburn | Why on earth would we put them on trial anyway? /brain explosion |
| 14:57.41 | Kaso | Basically its all a play to turn the iran populace against the british "They let confessed crininals go without any reprocussion" |
| 14:58.16 | Kirkburn | I know I'm probably biased, but I do trust the BBC to give an impartial version of events, especially since they're often accused of being biased against the UK |
| 14:58.58 | MoonWolf | there is a problem though, no matter how biased or unbiased you are, they have to work with the "facts" that they can gather |
| 14:59.12 | MoonWolf | most of those come directly or indirectly from the iran and uk goverment. |
| 15:00.57 | Kaso | The very fact iran "revised" the co-ordinates, is a little fishy you must admit |
| 15:01.10 | Kirkburn | So why would they now release the soldiers? If they had proof of the incursion, surely they could put them on trial |
| 15:02.01 | Kirkburn | I do think Ahmadinejad has done the right thing as it helps calm the tensions |
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| 15:02.19 | Kirkburn | It's a crazy world :/ |
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| 15:07.01 | Kirkburn | Lol, "How to respond to... Whatev-ah" - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/6523155.stm |
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| 15:19.46 | cladhaire | okay, gonna level my preest from 60-70 |
| 15:19.50 | cladhaire | shadow, or disc, or lolsmite? |
| 15:20.54 | JoshBorke | i went disc to 70 |
| 15:21.01 | cladhaire | mind posting your spec? |
| 15:21.05 | cladhaire | it'll be primarily solo |
| 15:21.07 | JoshBorke | but we all know you're too n00b cladhaire, so you should go shadow :-P |
| 15:21.18 | Kaso | lolsmite is fun if you have enough +dmg |
| 15:21.19 | JoshBorke | um, lemme go look for it |
| 15:21.23 | cladhaire | i just dont like downtime. |
| 15:21.45 | Cide | shadow is superior, honestly |
| 15:21.57 | cladhaire | Cide: all the way to vamp touch first? |
| 15:22.06 | Cide | sec |
| 15:22.26 | Kaso | VT is a awesome opener for solo |
| 15:22.27 | JoshBorke | yea, shadow i would say is superior, i was just never a fan of the spec |
| 15:22.47 | cladhaire | k k.. so VT, MB, SW:P flay flay? |
| 15:23.00 | cladhaire | somefin like that? |
| 15:23.11 | Cide | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=rVMRzhZZxMgzMtohtL |
| 15:23.17 | Cide | level 60 build |
| 15:23.33 | Kaso | i usually pull two or three at once |
| 15:23.40 | Kaso | vt vt pain pain Ve, fear, flay |
| 15:23.52 | cladhaire | Kaso: ah, that makes sense too |
| 15:24.01 | cladhaire | Cide: then just push to VT? |
| 15:24.06 | Cide | yes |
| 15:24.18 | cladhaire | where do you drop the other 4 points? |
| 15:24.21 | cladhaire | when your'[e done? |
| 15:24.29 | Cide | shadow power and misery |
| 15:24.36 | Cide | with one point to spare |
| 15:24.58 | cladhaire | oh yeah |
| 15:24.59 | cladhaire | okay |
| 15:25.01 | cladhaire | =) |
| 15:25.01 | cladhaire | thanks. |
| 15:25.27 | JoshBorke | i didn't get shadow power |
| 15:25.37 | Cide | shadow power is an awesome talent imo |
| 15:25.57 | Cide | >>> 1 - 0.75^2 |
| 15:25.57 | Cide | Cide: 0.4375 |
| 15:26.08 | cladhaire | i only use SW:Death as a finisher, i assume? I haven't done any priest leveling at all yet, heh |
| 15:26.10 | Kaso | i agree |
| 15:26.10 | Cide | 44% chance to crit on either mind blast or SW: D |
| 15:26.19 | Cide | (or so) |
| 15:26.19 | JoshBorke | cladhaire: no |
| 15:26.29 | JoshBorke | cladhaire: VE can heal back the SW: Death |
| 15:26.36 | Cide | for leveling it usually ends up being a finisher, but not for raiding |
| 15:26.36 | cladhaire | ah okay |
| 15:26.38 | cladhaire | makes sense |
| 15:26.53 | JoshBorke | http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/#character-talents.xml?r=Stormreaver&n=Dagh is me |
| 15:26.56 | Cide | when a mob is at 50-60%, I cast MB and then SW: D immediately after |
| 15:27.13 | Cide | they die or end up at 1-3% hp, in which case it's not a big deal |
| 15:27.22 | Kaso | Unless you are on 1000hp |
| 15:27.27 | Kaso | then its a big deal :> |
| 15:27.37 | JoshBorke | lol, yea |
| 15:27.38 | Cide | I'm never at 1000 hp :) |
| 15:27.43 | JoshBorke | i haven't killed myself with SW:D yet |
| 15:27.52 | cladhaire | heh |
| 15:28.16 | Kaso | ive done it a couple times |
| 15:29.07 | Cide | for me, at 70, it's something like... VT SW: P VE, mind flay, (X), wand to 50%, MB, SW: D -- (X) = if low on life, rank 1 fear -> mind flay to death here |
| 15:29.27 | Cide | I can grind forever with no food or water pretty much |
| 15:29.56 | JoshBorke | bye |
| 15:30.00 | cladhaire | nice |
| 15:30.06 | cladhaire | thats what i'm looking forward to |
| 15:30.32 | Cide | me: http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/#character-sheet.xml?r=Doomhammer&n=Swede |
| 15:31.28 | Kaso | Only Revered with nozdormu? |
| 15:31.41 | Cide | I'm a swede :) |
| 15:31.53 | Cide | raids start at 2:30am, so yep! |
| 15:32.01 | cladhaire | I only have healing gear, =/ |
| 15:32.02 | cladhaire | heh |
| 15:32.36 | Kaso | You should play on EU shattered hand, sweaden centeral |
| 15:32.49 | Cide | I hate swedes =/ |
| 15:32.53 | Kaso | haha |
| 15:33.27 | cladhaire | Mooncloth is useless now, isnt' it |
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| 15:34.05 | nevcairiel | default mooncloth, pretty much yea |
| 15:34.41 | Calliee | http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/#character-sheet.xml?r=Thorium+Brotherhood&n=Mellissia |
| 15:34.45 | Calliee | me |
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| 15:35.02 | Calliee | need some work yet |
| 15:37.29 | cladhaire | Leveling, can you easily stock up on both nuking and healing gear? |
| 15:37.37 | cladhaire | or is there a fine line, like there is with druids. |
| 15:38.04 | nevcairiel | I didnt get any good healing gear while leveling |
| 15:38.13 | nevcairiel | being a druid. but lots of feral stuff |
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| 15:41.56 | cladhaire | Cide: Why wand spec over unbreakable will? |
| 15:42.00 | cladhaire | just cause you wand to 50%? |
| 15:42.42 | Cairenn | hey cogwheel|work? just for info, there was (is?) a malicious version of KLMThreatmeter being distributed. Someone is uploading it with a trojan in the zip file. I know that for fact, because they tried uploading it to our site as well. Obviously it never made it out of our moderation queue, but if the other sites aren't checking mods before allowing them to go live .... |
| 15:43.14 | cogwheel|work | yeah... but they're still stupid if they run an exe file :P |
| 15:43.22 | Cairenn | yeah, well |
| 15:44.10 | Calliee | I tell all my guildmates to always go to the author's site to download if possible |
| 15:44.34 | Calliee | we've had 2 of our members hacked in 6 months, we're all a bit paranoid |
| 15:44.36 | Cairenn | Calliee: meh, people can download from our site with no worries too |
| 15:45.01 | sysrage | you being lame and running an exe that has a trojan/keylogger in it does not equal being hacked |
| 15:45.01 | Cairenn | 5 years of hosting mods, we've never had anyone get even so much as a virus, let alone a trojan |
| 15:45.54 | sysrage | can't stand all the ppl in my guild that say somebody was hacked when they just didn't follow the most basic security rule that's been around since the dawn of computers. don't run stuff you don't trust. it's simple! |
| 15:45.55 | Calliee | right, but you can only speak for your site, not all the repository sites have the same quality control |
| 15:46.02 | cogwheel|work | You get hacked one of three ways: giving out your user name/password (this includes using the same login info on mod sites that have the potential to be hacked), running a trojan, and being a victim of a browser vulnerability |
| 15:46.14 | cogwheel|work | All but the last one are completely under your control |
| 15:46.16 | sysrage | giving out your user/pass isn't being hacked either. it's being stupid |
| 15:46.43 | Calliee | bah, it's a semantic point, not worth arguing |
| 15:47.14 | cogwheel|work | it's not a semantic point when the first two are by far the most common ways accounts become compromised... |
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| 15:48.22 | Calliee | we belive the most recent came not from a mod, or an exe, but a drive-by dowwnload embedded in an ad that got put up on Thottbot |
| 15:48.58 | sysrage | using a seperate linux box for web surfing ftw! :) |
| 15:49.11 | cogwheel|work | Not using IE ftw |
| 15:49.20 | Calliee | that works too |
| 15:50.15 | Cairenn | go go adblocker & noscript |
| 15:50.52 | Calliee | and while it is still user error that allowed that download to happen, it's not like IE goes out of it's way to make preventing such downloads easy |
| 15:51.33 | Cide | cladhaire: back, sorry |
| 15:51.37 | cladhaire | np |
| 15:52.25 | Cide | yeah, I've found wand spec to be a lot more useful - fear, stuns and silence are all very uncommon in pve (not counting raid encounters) |
| 15:52.46 | cladhaire | aye |
| 15:53.51 | Cide | oh ya, get imp VE from 60->70 too |
| 15:54.24 | cladhaire | okay, first or after misery/shadow power? |
| 15:54.49 | Cide | after shadow power, before misery |
| 15:54.54 | cladhaire | k |
| 15:55.15 | cladhaire | so its basically just grind and mana up, back and forth until i get VT |
| 15:55.19 | cladhaire | i can do that, heh |
| 15:55.35 | cladhaire | been so long since i've done anything other than heal on my priest |
| 15:55.43 | Cide | mana up for me is usually trinket -> shadowfiend |
| 15:55.48 | Cide | gets me like 5k mana |
| 15:55.57 | cladhaire | when do you get shadowfiend? |
| 15:56.00 | Cide | 66 |
| 15:56.06 | cladhaire | ah okay |
| 15:56.14 | cladhaire | just trying to work out the early 60 levels :P |
| 15:56.16 | Cide | 5k mana lasts for the 5 minutes it's on cooldown with VT |
| 15:56.22 | Cide | it's awesome :) |
| 15:56.33 | Cairenn | (if anyone needs me, please say my name so it beeps at me, I'm working in Photoshop atm and I can't run it in a 1/2 sized window the way I do most other programs) |
| 15:56.34 | cladhaire | heheh |
| 15:56.43 | cladhaire | <3 Cairenn |
| 15:57.08 | zenzelezz | Cairenn: you working on those autographed posters? |
| 15:57.13 | cogwheel|work | Get another monitor :P |
| 15:57.28 | Cairenn | zenzelezz: ha ha ha |
| 15:57.37 | Cairenn | cogwheel|work: sure, soon as you send me the money for it :p |
| 15:58.11 | Calliee | I've got a few lying around here, just pay the shipping and they're yours ;) |
| 15:58.19 | zenzelezz | I feel completely caged in if I use a computer with only one monitor |
| 15:58.32 | Cairenn | and while you're at it, I could use another meg or two of ram,. another hard drive and an upgraded video card :p |
| 15:58.35 | cogwheel|work | you should start a paypal account so we can donate :P |
| 15:58.35 | Calliee | I have 5 computers attached to 3 monitors on my desk |
| 15:59.08 | Cairenn | I have a paypal account, and not a chance in hell I'd put up a link to it |
| 15:59.14 | cogwheel|work | hehe |
| 15:59.38 | Cairenn | that would just feel incredibly tacky, to me at least |
| 16:00.00 | Calliee | 3 of the computers are WoW capable and have thier own accounts |
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| 18:03.20 | wereHamster | anyone from londone here? Is heathrow nearer to the city center than gatwick? |
| 18:03.47 | TC_Working | cant you google maps it? |
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| 18:06.04 | TC_Working | ok, this is london to heathrow http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&saddr=London,+England&daddr=LHR&layer=&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=43.023781,163.125&ie=UTF8&z=11&om=1 |
| 18:06.04 | Kirkburn | Cairenn|afk, others, Thompson again! http://gamepolitics.com/2007/04/04/breaking-florida-bar-gives-jack-thompson-a-wedgie-over-bully-case/ |
| 18:06.24 | Kirkburn | The "city center" of London means very little |
| 18:06.25 | Kirkburn | Especially with the Tube |
| 18:06.32 | TC_Working | and this is gatwick http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&saddr=London,+England&daddr=LGW&layer=&sll=51.486405,-0.289968&sspn=0.132548,0.637207&ie=UTF8&z=9&om=1 |
| 18:06.38 | Osagasu | I don't see why they don't just revoke his license. |
| 18:07.01 | TC_Working | heathrow is 17 mi vs 28 to gatwick |
| 18:07.26 | Kirkburn | Heathrow also has dedicated train services from one of the largest train terminals |
| 18:08.22 | Kirkburn | Tbh, Stansted, Heathrow, Gatwick - they're all get you into London quickly |
| 18:08.51 | Kirkburn | *they'll |
| 18:10.04 | TC_Working | bah, he asks a question then scoots |
| 18:10.33 | wereHamster | okok.. thanks for teh links, looking at the maps.. |
| 18:11.41 | Kirkburn | wereHamster, may I ask why you want to know? |
| 18:12.23 | wereHamster | I have to go to london next week.. |
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| 18:16.29 | TC_Working | LONDON LONDON LONDON......crap...now fergie is stuck in my head |
| 18:16.43 | TC_Working | and i dont even like that song |
| 18:17.03 | ag` | nah, you do |
| 18:17.11 | wereHamster | .. ticket from LHR is 65 SFr, from LGW 185 SFr |
| 18:17.20 | pastamancer | TC_Working: at least it's not MY HUMPS |
| 18:17.35 | TC_Working | i liked that one |
| 18:17.46 | TC_Working | at least that one made sense |
| 18:18.44 | pastamancer | well, london bridge was a metaphor |
| 18:18.46 | TC_Working | it was a bad one |
| 18:18.59 | pastamancer | undeniably |
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| 18:32.33 | TC_Working | http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f284/THUNDER__CHILD/warninglabel.jpg |
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| 18:40.28 | ckknight | hugo: pong |
| 18:46.31 | Kirkburn | Read this - http://jonswift.blogspot.com/2007/04/april-fools-joke-backfires.html |
| 18:46.47 | Kirkburn | (it may take a while to 'get it') |
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| 18:59.28 | Kaso | Howcome Saveragy enchant is so much cheaper than spellpower enchant |
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| 19:04.52 | Kirkburn | Kaso, because a Saveragy enchant marks you out as someone who can't spell, and thus a person for riducule. People don't pay to be ridiculed, y'know :) |
| 19:05.06 | Kaso | You big meanie |
| 19:05.15 | Kirkburn|Meanie | Rawr |
| 19:05.21 | Gryphen | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 19:05.52 | Kirkburn|Meanie | Aah, memories |
| 19:06.13 | Kirkburn | Unforunately "Kirkburn|EvilBastard" didn't fit |
| 19:07.52 | Kaso | the two enchants have the same "item level" |
| 19:07.58 | Kaso | yet one is almost double the cost |
| 19:09.26 | Kirkburn | Fine, dismiss my reason why don't you |
| 19:09.49 | Kirkburn | And you think I'M the meanie |
| 19:11.01 | Legorol | Can someone explain to me under what circumstances will someone show up as not having CTRA when you do a /raver |
| 19:11.13 | Legorol | they are running the latest version, it is enabled and they have the minimap icon, |
| 19:11.25 | Legorol | the same version from other people show up in /raver, but not this person's |
| 19:11.27 | Legorol | any ideas? |
| 19:11.58 | Shadowed | oh boy, another company wasting money on sponsoring teams |
| 19:12.30 | AnduinLothar | wow arena teams? |
| 19:12.34 | Shadowed | yeah |
| 19:12.51 | Shadowed | such a waste of money, but it's good advertising I guess |
| 19:13.06 | Kirkburn | Mutually exclusive comment alert! |
| 19:13.11 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 19:13.18 | AnduinLothar | yeah adv IS the point |
| 19:13.24 | Shadowed | ~lart Kirkburn |
| 19:13.24 | purl | urinates on Kirkburn |
| 19:13.33 | Kirkburn | Ooh, a golden shower! |
| 19:14.28 | TC_Working | yuck |
| 19:15.37 | Kirkburn | Oh, my, god, I am an idiot. I just melted clingfilm onto my rice. |
| 19:16.01 | pastamancer | delicious! |
| 19:16.11 | cladhaire | lol |
| 19:16.18 | pastamancer | the plastic is full of vitamins |
| 19:16.47 | foxlit | If I wanted to know what's going on at BG zoneins, where would I look? |
| 19:17.00 | foxlit | WoW tends to freeze up for a few seconds, it's ugly. |
| 19:18.00 | Kirkburn | hrm, do I still eat it? It seems to have mostly evaporated |
| 19:18.05 | Kirkburn | Or melted to the bowl. |
| 19:18.41 | cogwheel|work | A little ingested plastic never hurt anyone... |
| 19:18.48 | cogwheel|work | wait... |
| 19:20.07 | Garoun|Loupana | well it just depends :P |
| 19:20.17 | Garoun|Loupana | you should be able to peel most of it off |
| 19:21.09 | Garoun|Loupana | not exactly 'good' for you, but won't kill you if you get some of it ingested |
| 19:21.42 | Kirkburn | Mmm, plastic! |
| 19:22.06 | Kirkburn | When I looked at the bowl in the over, my first reaction was "hmm, why can I see the rice so clearly?" |
| 19:22.10 | Garoun|Loupana | I mean who hasn't ever accidently swallowed a lego at one point in time :P |
| 19:22.12 | Kirkburn | *oven |
| 19:22.25 | Kirkburn | "Oh, hang on, there's no clingfilm" |
| 19:23.50 | Kirkburn | Yeah, I could peel the clingfilm off the edges, fortunately |
| 19:24.32 | Garoun|Loupana | I accidently did it to a meatloaf, and tasted a little plasticy, but you could peel most of it off without mucheffort |
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| 19:28.31 | JoshBorke | hola |
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| 19:41.46 | cladhaire | LF1M Ramparts, at last boss. |
| 19:42.16 | JoshBorke | sorry, i don't run with n00b horde |
| 19:42.35 | cladhaire | i'm on my priest |
| 19:42.36 | cladhaire | nub |
| 19:42.59 | JoshBorke | :-P |
| 19:43.18 | cladhaire | figured i'd level him |
| 19:43.23 | cladhaire | her |
| 19:44.02 | cogwheel|work | This Win32 API type amuses me greatly: PWNDCLASSEX |
| 19:44.07 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 19:44.35 | JoshBorke | apparently all of my developer toons are still in raids |
| 19:44.46 | cogwheel|work | hehe |
| 19:55.47 | TC_Working | http://myspace.drewpydraws.com/signs/diaper.jpg |
| 19:56.16 | TC_Working | http://myspace.drewpydraws.com/signs/CTsign.jpg |
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| 20:01.28 | Kaso | What ever happened to teh orge in Durnholme |
| 20:01.44 | cladhaire | so i've never had this issue |
| 20:01.45 | cladhaire | i'm the healer |
| 20:02.16 | cladhaire | keep dying on the rend-boss in ramparts |
| 20:02.17 | cladhaire | whats going wrong? |
| 20:02.46 | foxlit | You keep dying or people keep dying? |
| 20:02.52 | Legorol | it seems that the patch did something to aggro |
| 20:02.53 | cladhaire | i keep dying |
| 20:02.55 | Shadowed | well your health is hitting 0 |
| 20:02.58 | Shadowed | should fix that |
| 20:03.02 | Legorol | our raid has issues with mobs going to random people who they shouldn't |
| 20:03.07 | Legorol | since today (patch) |
| 20:03.07 | cladhaire | indeed |
| 20:03.18 | Shadowed | are you landing a large heal or something right as they split? |
| 20:03.28 | cladhaire | no |
| 20:03.44 | foxlit | Combatlog tells you anything? |
| 20:03.46 | cladhaire | the dragon just lands, i'm shielded, i fade, he hits me with a fireball, and meleesme for 1900 |
| 20:03.47 | cladhaire | and i die. |
| 20:03.57 | Shadowed | tell your tank to stop afking/ |
| 20:04.01 | JoshBorke | cladhaire: hide on the ramp |
| 20:04.10 | Scr3em | cladhaire, have someone in the group range dps the crap out of the bird while everyone else kills the rider |
| 20:04.12 | cladhaire | i have been =/ |
| 20:04.19 | foxlit | (a) it shouldn't be on you (b) Breath leaves a dot on the ground that hurts like hell |
| 20:04.22 | Shadowed | is your tank not switching fast enough or something |
| 20:04.28 | cladhaire | he sucks |
| 20:04.28 | cladhaire | heh |
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| 20:04.38 | Scr3em | if you don't dps the dragon, the healer will die almost every time |
| 20:04.45 | Scr3em | from my experience as a priest |
| 20:05.05 | Scr3em | like taunt is resisted or not done fast enough or whatever |
| 20:05.24 | cladhaire | well, by the time he's visually landed |
| 20:05.25 | foxlit | Wasn't really a problem at 61 |
| 20:05.27 | cladhaire | he's already hit 4 times. |
| 20:06.11 | Shadowed | well he hits a bit harder in heroic at 70 :p |
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| 20:06.17 | cladhaire | heh |
| 20:06.25 | cladhaire | never had this issue on my druid |
| 20:06.27 | cladhaire | but i was tanking then |
| 20:06.28 | cladhaire | heh |
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| 20:08.58 | Legorol | uhm, something seems wrong with aggro tonight |
| 20:09.05 | Legorol | i am grinding in a cave, some other players are around as well. |
| 20:09.18 | Legorol | i go to body pull a mob, and it charges.... a different player, miles away |
| 20:09.25 | Legorol | it should've charged me |
| 20:10.33 | cladhaire | very odd |
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| 20:26.49 | Bleeter | http://features.cgsociety.org/story_custom.php?story_id=4006&page=1 << *stunning* |
| 20:27.04 | Bleeter | props to Gryphen for posting that URL to #wowwiki |
| 20:27.21 | Gryphen | :o |
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| 20:52.37 | hugo | ckknight: ping :P |
| 20:53.11 | hugo | ckknight is there some list of the [variables] for pitbull like i wanted to show my hp as mini + smart |
| 20:53.16 | hugo | but dont know the [][][]'s ;d |
| 20:53.30 | hugo | or percent + mini etc |
| 20:53.31 | ckknight | well, it's in the lua |
| 20:53.34 | ckknight | there's no wikipage yet |
| 20:53.42 | ckknight | what do you want to do? |
| 20:53.44 | hugo | how you do the mini ? |
| 20:53.50 | hugo | mini and smarthp |
| 20:53.50 | ckknight | [curhp:short] |
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| 20:53.59 | ckknight | smarthp? |
| 20:54.02 | ckknight | what's the smart do? |
| 20:54.03 | hugo | and [curmana:short] ? |
| 20:54.14 | hugo | it show like deficit in red color |
| 20:54.18 | ckknight | [curmana:short]/[maxmana:short] |
| 20:54.33 | hugo | cool thanks ;] |
| 20:54.45 | ckknight | [statusgone:missinghp:hidezero:negate] |
| 20:55.52 | hugo | ok |
| 20:57.34 | ckknight | it's complex, bit it'll show Dead/Offline/Ghost if they are |
| 20:57.43 | ckknight | otherwise show their missinghp unless it's zero |
| 20:57.59 | sysrage | are US servers screwy right now? won't let me into char select |
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| 21:02.13 | bleetah | sysrage: which realm? I can get in to at least 4 |
| 21:05.50 | sysrage | i just got in |
| 21:05.55 | sysrage | dunno what it was |
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| 21:25.20 | kneeki|atwork | Ello everyone |
| 21:26.16 | TC_Working | hello kneeki|atwork |
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| 21:27.22 | kneeki|atwork | Just an FYI out there, if you multibox, Synergy is a GREAT program for it |
| 21:28.26 | Gnarfoz | synergy is simply great, whatever you use it for :D |
| 21:28.35 | kneeki|atwork | I agree |
| 21:28.50 | kneeki|atwork | Using it at work now with my desktop PC + laptop. It's so great |
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| 22:54.50 | Jumpy | Not a lot of chatter here. |
| 22:55.34 | Jumpy | very nice |
| 22:56.08 | Shirik | cladhaire: here? |
| 22:56.10 | Gnarfoz | I try hard |
| 22:56.44 | Jumpy | Kody - you the Kody of ui.worldofwar.net? |
| 22:57.34 | Jumpy | er, I mean Curse Gaming |
| 23:02.51 | Kody | Yes |
| 23:03.19 | Jumpy | Just curious |
| 23:06.59 | cladhaire | Shirik: momentarily |
| 23:07.01 | cladhaire | why? |
| 23:07.10 | Shirik | Just a suggestion for tomtom |
| 23:07.19 | cladhaire | k |
| 23:07.21 | Shirik | if you're busy I'll tell you later |
| 23:07.24 | cladhaire | wassit? |
| 23:07.32 | Shirik | ok |
| 23:07.39 | cladhaire | "ok" is a really bad suggestion |
| 23:07.42 | Shirik | allow for a sequence of waypoints, so you can set up a route |
| 23:07.43 | Shirik | .. |
| 23:07.44 | cladhaire | i can't believe you'd waste my time with it =( |
| 23:07.53 | cladhaire | Shirik: Travel scripts are going to be put in at some point |
| 23:07.53 | Shirik | and go to it one by one |
| 23:07.55 | cladhaire | just not sure at what level. |
| 23:07.56 | Shirik | good good ^^ |
| 23:08.04 | cladhaire | exactly what you describe |
| 23:08.07 | Shirik | I'd like one to go my mining path |
| 23:08.20 | Shirik | that would be awesome |
| 23:08.24 | cladhaire | I also would like a way to "Record" a run, so It'll poll your location, and mark any nodes, quests, kills, etc. |
| 23:08.25 | cladhaire | in theory |
| 23:08.34 | Shirik | cool :) |
| 23:08.38 | cladhaire | feel free to help =) |
| 23:08.39 | TC_Working | how about a path to the mobs that drop epics? |
| 23:08.43 | cladhaire | i'll add you to the SVN |
| 23:08.46 | cladhaire | TC_Working: lrn2epic nub |
| 23:08.50 | TC_Working | heh |
| 23:09.02 | TC_Working | but i'm lazy, i want a mod to do it for me |
| 23:09.20 | Shirik | I'm always glad to help :) |
| 23:10.20 | Jumpy | It would be nice to be able to filter out whispers from level 1 gold sellers |
| 23:10.31 | Shirik | That's a very common request |
| 23:10.33 | pastamancer | TC_Working: plug in your data points and get your walking shoes on http://wowi.pastey.net/10359 |
| 23:10.40 | Shirik | unfortunately, as I have to say very often, it's extremely difficult to do reliably |
| 23:10.47 | Shirik | to the point where it's mostly pointless to write |
| 23:11.17 | Jumpy | Yes, with no API to query level by name. |
| 23:11.44 | Shirik | well, there is sorta |
| 23:11.49 | Jumpy | send whoi |
| 23:11.53 | Jumpy | er, who |
| 23:11.54 | Shirik | right |
| 23:12.05 | Jumpy | but that goes to System Messages |
| 23:12.12 | Shirik | not if you tell it not to |
| 23:12.14 | Shirik | that's the easy par |
| 23:12.16 | Shirik | part* |
| 23:12.17 | TC_Working | right...now i just need a way to figure out what mobs drop epic world drops.....anyone? |
| 23:12.20 | Shirik | the hard part is that it has so many restrictions on it |
| 23:12.27 | Shirik | time limitations, etc. |
| 23:12.35 | Shirik | along with latency |
| 23:13.07 | pastamancer | TC_Working: wowhead? |
| 23:13.20 | Jumpy | I thought about putting whispers into a table, then sending them to chat witha delay after checking with a sendwho |
| 23:13.31 | TC_Working | not chance of...i mean will drop.....heh |
| 23:13.40 | Shirik | but you have the problem of |
| 23:13.43 | Shirik | if someone recently did a /who |
| 23:13.49 | Shirik | or if you get too many whispers at once |
| 23:13.51 | pastamancer | oh, hax! |
| 23:13.54 | Shirik | you won't be able to get the requests back |
| 23:14.12 | TC_Working | mmmm...hax |
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| 23:19.13 | Jumpy | I haven't looked into it but is there a way to prevent System messages from appearing in the chat window? |
| 23:20.53 | Shirik | that's not the way you do it |
| 23:20.58 | Shirik | you can set /who to be in an 'addon mode' |
| 23:21.09 | Jumpy | I mean after a sendwho |
| 23:21.22 | Shirik | if you set that mode, it will not issue a system message |
| 23:22.12 | Shirik | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_SetWhoToUI |
| 23:22.25 | Jumpy | hmm, set in an 'addon mode'. Never seen that mentioned before anywhere. |
| 23:22.32 | Jumpy | thanks |
| 23:23.23 | Shirik | I just randomly came across it one day |
| 23:23.29 | Shirik | didn't really need it but it stuck in my mind |
| 23:23.32 | Jumpy | then maybe put whispers into a table, time stamp them and then parcle them out one at a time after checking who |
| 23:23.47 | Jumpy | parcel* |
| 23:25.58 | Shirik | but the #1 issue you're going to have to deal with is when you have (a) too many whispers coming in, or (b) when the player had recently done a /who |
| 23:26.06 | Shirik | in which both cases, your who request will never return |
| 23:26.11 | cladhaire | Shirik: You can delay it |
| 23:26.15 | cladhaire | using a who queue system |
| 23:26.19 | cladhaire | it doesn't need to happen immediately |
| 23:26.20 | Shirik | aye, it's possible |
| 23:26.21 | cladhaire | it should just happen |
| 23:26.23 | Shirik | but it has to be remembered |
| 23:27.40 | Jumpy | You could put in a 5 second delay using GetTime() and wade thru the whispers in the table |
| 23:28.06 | Shirik | mm, not quite |
| 23:28.21 | Shirik | two whispers come in, ok queue one and send one who request |
| 23:28.32 | Shirik | 3 seconds later, the player sends a /who |
| 23:28.41 | Shirik | 2 seconds later, your addon attempts to send a who request |
| 23:28.42 | Shirik | which fails |
| 23:28.59 | Shirik | the easiest way, I think, would be to wait 5 seconds, and if it hasn't come back, reissue the request |
| 23:29.13 | Shirik | repeat until it returns |
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| 23:29.49 | cladhaire | or hook the who function |
| 23:29.54 | cladhaire | and know when its been received |
| 23:30.10 | Jumpy | I think I will give this a bit more thought, then try something. I almost enjoy writing addons more than playing. |
| 23:30.21 | Shirik | most of us do ;) |
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| 23:30.27 | cladhaire | the who one already exists on wowi i believe |
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| 23:31.20 | Jumpy | you could do a name compare on the whisper and the who return message |
| 23:33.50 | Shirik | "You fall and lose 6735 health" |
| 23:33.56 | Shirik | I have 6740 health :P |
| 23:34.26 | Jumpy | It hurts to dismount way up high. |
| 23:34.46 | Shirik | no that was just me falling off a cliff |
| 23:34.51 | Jumpy | heh |
| 23:35.16 | Jumpy | That's another thing, no way to know the Z axis value |
| 23:35.40 | Shirik | interestingly enough |
| 23:35.46 | Shirik | I have theorizes a way to determine it |
| 23:35.50 | Shirik | theorized* |
| 23:36.07 | Jumpy | when trying to find a party member I never know if they are above or below me. |
| 23:36.14 | Jumpy | yeah, by land speed |
| 23:36.47 | Shirik | it relies on the same theory i'm using to write the flight hud |
| 23:37.13 | Jumpy | I read that forum, it's interesting |
| 23:37.45 | Jumpy | problem is the land is sloped, like in Netherstorm |
| 23:38.12 | Shirik | aye |
| 23:38.31 | Shirik | but, on the same note |
| 23:38.31 | Shirik | you said z axis not altitude |
| 23:38.54 | Jumpy | They are kinda the same, in a sense |
| 23:39.50 | Shirik | not quite; altitude 0 is not necessarily z = 0 |
| 23:39.51 | Shirik | z axis stays the same, the ground does not |
| 23:39.51 | Jumpy | yes, I know, I used to fly |
| 23:40.30 | Jumpy | but asking Blizz to give us an air pressure API won't 'fly'. |
| 23:40.43 | Shirik | blizzard explicitly said they don't want to give us an API to determine altitude |
| 23:41.05 | Jumpy | I wonder why. what damage could I do with that? |
| 23:41.10 | Shirik | course, they never really wanted to give us an x and y position either |
| 23:41.17 | Shirik | but we kinda hacked around it through the map |
| 23:42.01 | Jumpy | ok, got to run. See you later. |
| 23:42.18 | Shirik | take care |
| 23:42.41 | Bleeter | argh |
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