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| 00:07.27 | Eternally777 | Does anyone here use the SciTE editor? |
| 00:07.43 | Shirik | I do |
| 00:09.15 | Eternally777 | I'm having trouble trying to execute my Lua code... Whenever I set the document's encoding to UTF-8 I get: "lua.exe: Core.lua:1: unexpected symbol near " and then an apostraphe and a square. The first line of my document is: '-------' |
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| 00:10.01 | Shirik | you're outside of wow? |
| 00:10.37 | Eternally777 | Yeah |
| 00:11.08 | Shirik | out of curiosity... where did you set the encoding... I've never changed it :/ |
| 00:11.39 | Shirik | nm I got it |
| 00:11.39 | Shirik | I'm on 8-bit |
| 00:11.39 | Shirik | have you tried that/ |
| 00:11.45 | Eternally777 | File > Encoding |
| 00:11.54 | Shirik | right, I'm set to 8-bit, and never had a problem |
| 00:12.04 | Shirik | is there a particular reason you changed it? |
| 00:12.27 | Eternally777 | Yeah, it works when I execute it in 8-bit. But I've been told that setting it to UTF-8 better for compatibility with different locales. |
| 00:12.55 | Shirik | I have never heard that statement before |
| 00:13.32 | Elessdy | well |
| 00:13.36 | Shirik | really if you haven't had a problem I wouldn't touch it. Especially because the only things 8-bit isn't going to handle is like chinese, etc. |
| 00:13.41 | Shirik | which ... I don't think you can put directly into lua anyway |
| 00:13.49 | Eternally777 | I've just always set it to UTF-8, but this is a new install of XP and I'm just curious why all of a sudden it isn't working. |
| 00:14.01 | Elessdy | plain 1-byte ASCII, if i'm thinking of the right one, is crap for languages other than english, spanish, french, etc |
| 00:14.10 | Shirik | right, but think about it |
| 00:14.13 | Shirik | what other languages are you goign for |
| 00:14.20 | Shirik | it isn't going to handle multibyte encoding |
| 00:14.28 | Shirik | which is like chinese, japanese, etc. |
| 00:14.36 | Shirik | which... you can't put directly into Lua afaik anyway |
| 00:14.36 | Elessdy | primary localizations of WoW are enUS, enGB, German, and French |
| 00:14.44 | Shirik | all of those would be fine with 8-bit |
| 00:15.09 | KarlKFI | the encoding shouldn't matter as long as it's the same throughout a single file. WoW can only handle up to UTF-16 strings |
| 00:15.20 | KarlKFI | UTF-8 is required for svn i believe |
| 00:15.39 | Shirik | a particular svn server? Because the one I use is fine with my 8-bit files |
| 00:16.12 | KarlKFI | read it again |
| 00:16.30 | Shirik | "UTF-8 is required for svn" |
| 00:16.41 | Shirik | would imply that to use svn you must use UTF-8 |
| 00:16.45 | KarlKFI | in otherwords it works fine with 8 bit files |
| 00:16.59 | KarlKFI | unelss you meant 16-bit files |
| 00:16.59 | Shirik | according to scite, at the very least, there is a difference between UTF-8 and 8-bit |
| 00:17.14 | KarlKFI | not really |
| 00:17.20 | Shirik | See that's what I thought |
| 00:17.20 | KarlKFI | 8 bit can be ascii i think |
| 00:17.39 | KarlKFI | but i'm not sure exactly |
| 00:17.41 | Shirik | but given the fact that he's having a problem when setting to UTF-8, and not when set to 8-bit, would imply there's a difference as far as it's concerned |
| 00:18.17 | KarlKFI | the most likely problem is that some of you're file is not UTF-8 |
| 00:18.28 | KarlKFI | like if you pasted in something from another file |
| 00:18.48 | KarlKFI | wow fails to read files with multiple encodings |
| 00:19.09 | Corrodias | is wowwiki borked? |
| 00:19.11 | Shirik | this is a problem outside wow actually, but in any case |
| 00:19.19 | Shirik | I completely agree that UTF-8 and 8-bit should be identical |
| 00:19.45 | Shirik | but... the fact that they exist as two different, mutually exclusive options in the editor would imply that there's some kind of difference |
| 00:19.48 | KarlKFI | UTF-8 (8-bit UCS/Unicode Transformation Format) |
| 00:20.07 | Corrodias | yes, "working" and "nonworking" :) |
| 00:20.15 | Shirik | heh |
| 00:20.51 | KarlKFI | CESU-8 is a variant of UTF-8 |
| 00:21.01 | KarlKFI | CESU-8 is similar to Java's Modified UTF-8 |
| 00:21.16 | KarlKFI | in otherwords, there are multiple variants |
| 00:21.20 | Corrodias | Modified UTF-8 sounds like an emerging standard to me |
| 00:21.20 | KarlKFI | all 8-bit |
| 00:21.27 | Corrodias | "modified" just screams "widely adoptable" |
| 00:21.49 | Shirik | here's what I'm looking at: http://img139.imageshack.us/my.php?image=encodingon8.jpg |
| 00:22.13 | KarlKFI | Only one byte is needed to encode the 128 US-ASCII characters |
| 00:22.46 | Shirik | well, only one byte is needed for the 128 standard and the 128 extended combined |
| 00:22.48 | Corrodias | but for ascii porn, you need more than 128 characters |
| 00:22.50 | Shirik | ... |
| 00:22.57 | Corrodias | i have very little, be assured |
| 00:23.03 | Shirik | the fact that you have some at all |
| 00:23.05 | Shirik | is rather scary |
| 00:23.46 | Shirik | dude |
| 00:23.53 | Shirik | ESPN is playing on my computer somewhere |
| 00:23.55 | Shirik | and I can't figure out where |
| 00:24.10 | Corrodias | in a browser tab? in a media player? active desktop? audio input from a tv capture card? |
| 00:24.21 | Shirik | I don't know >< |
| 00:24.28 | Shirik | I don't have a capture card and don't use active desktop |
| 00:24.32 | Shirik | don't see a media player open |
| 00:24.38 | Shirik | and I've gone through all my browser tabs |
| 00:24.43 | cladhaire | AiM? |
| 00:24.52 | Shirik | I use trillian |
| 00:24.54 | Corrodias | gremlins? |
| 00:25.01 | Shirik | probably |
| 00:25.14 | KarlKFI | i would guess sound or video file ona browser window |
| 00:25.20 | Shirik | oh |
| 00:25.28 | Shirik | espn is hidden behind trillian >.> |
| 00:25.28 | Shirik | awesome |
| 00:29.41 | ckknight | UTF-8 is technically encoded in 8-bit |
| 00:29.52 | ckknight | but each character can be 8, 16, 24, or 32 bits long |
| 00:30.31 | Shirik | I guess the real question is |
| 00:30.36 | ckknight | but 8-bit does not imply UTF-8 |
| 00:30.36 | Eternally777 | Why my code will execute in 8-bit but not UTF-8? |
| 00:30.42 | ckknight | as it could be any number of encodings. |
| 00:31.04 | ckknight | i.e. ANSI |
| 00:31.39 | Bleeter | UTF-9 and UTF-18 ftw! |
| 00:31.46 | Shirik | ... |
| 00:31.50 | Shirik | it's not april fools anymore for you |
| 00:32.29 | Bleeter | rfc 4042 |
| 00:32.41 | Shirik | yeah I've seen it >< |
| 00:32.51 | Bleeter | and before you go saying 'oh, that's an april fool's rfc anyway'... some guys implemented the avian carrier recently :P |
| 00:33.01 | Shirik | are you serious... |
| 00:33.05 | Bleeter | yup |
| 00:33.07 | Bleeter | lemme find it |
| 00:33.14 | Bleeter | some LUG in .no |
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| 00:33.32 | Bleeter | http://www.blug.linux.no/rfc1149/ |
| 00:33.57 | Bleeter | *recently = 6 years ago |
| 00:34.03 | Shirik | round-trip min/avg/max = 3211900.8/5222806.6/6388671.9 ms |
| 00:34.05 | Shirik | haha |
| 00:36.25 | Shirik | ooh, they have a static library I can use |
| 00:36.35 | Shirik | include it in the updater perhaps |
| 00:37.14 | Bleeter | hah |
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| 01:52.53 | Nom- | http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/04/01/cpu_time_dilation/ |
| 02:03.32 | JoshBorke | purl, hug Cairenn |
| 02:03.34 | purl | ACTION sneaks up on Cairenn and suddenly hugs Cairenn tightly |
| 02:03.44 | Cairenn | purl, hug JoshBorke |
| 02:03.45 | purl | ACTION sneaks up on JoshBorke and suddenly hugs JoshBorke tightly |
| 02:07.29 | Nom- | time to get coffee before i fall asleep |
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| 02:12.58 | leethal | is there a sane way of parsing combat log strings and still being capable of localizing? |
| 02:13.16 | leethal | stuff like string.find(teststring, "Your foo was resisted by (.+)") is kinda uncapable |
| 02:14.15 | leethal | what I'm really after is the vars used in the global strings stuff. Getting the %s in SPELLRESISTOTHERSELF = "%s's %s was resisted."; |
| 02:14.49 | JoshBorke | leethal: there's a way you can convert those strings into capture strings |
| 02:15.10 | leethal | hmm.. convert global strings into capture strings? |
| 02:16.27 | JoshBorke | convert SPELLRESISTOTHERSELF to a stringy ou can pass to string.match |
| 02:16.28 | JoshBorke | for example |
| 02:16.28 | leethal | hmm |
| 02:16.28 | JoshBorke | don't ask me how, i just know i've seen it :-D |
| 02:16.28 | leethal | I'll fool around with that |
| 02:17.59 | Karrion | JoshBorke, leethal: s/\%[sd]/(\.+)/ ? |
| 02:18.35 | leethal | no idea |
| 02:19.20 | leethal | how do I know what is what in that "%s's %s was resisted."? |
| 02:19.30 | leethal | in other languages, the order of the %s might be different, for instance |
| 02:19.35 | JoshBorke | leethal: indeed |
| 02:19.48 | JoshBorke | you could look at ParserLib (an Ace library) |
| 02:20.07 | leethal | so, this is not a simple thing to do? |
| 02:20.13 | JoshBorke | leethal: of course not |
| 02:20.20 | Kirov | leethal - well, it would be except for the blasted germans |
| 02:20.20 | leethal | of course? |
| 02:20.21 | Karrion | I have a feeling it won't be, because then how does the wow client know the order? |
| 02:20.32 | leethal | yeah, it's gotta be something I can hook |
| 02:20.43 | JoshBorke | warum kirov? |
| 02:21.33 | Kirov | Basically the strings look like this. |
| 02:21.33 | Kirov | "%s's %s hits %s for %d" |
| 02:21.54 | Kirov | "Kirov's Fist hits JoshBorke for 0" |
| 02:22.24 | JoshBorke | ich weiss dass |
| 02:22.30 | Kirov | The wow client knows "Kirov" "Fist" "JoshBorke" "0" |
| 02:22.56 | Kirov | It sends that through a string.format("%s's %s hits %s for %d", "Kirov", "Fist", "JoshBorke", 0 ); |
| 02:23.20 | leethal | but.. what if it's "JoshBorke gets hit by Kirovs Fist for 0" in the german client? |
| 02:23.24 | leethal | just what if, kinda |
| 02:23.40 | Kirov | However, german looks like this. |
| 02:23.41 | Kirov | "%2 der %1 von %3 mine liver %4 |
| 02:24.00 | JoshBorke | they totally removed the sex scene from forrest gump |
| 02:24.02 | leethal | hmm |
| 02:24.36 | Kirov | string.format("%2 der %1 von %3 mine liver %4", "Kirov", "Fist", "JoshBorke", 0 ); |
| 02:24.36 | Kirov | turns in to |
| 02:24.36 | Kirov | "Fist der Kirov von JoshBorke mine liver 0" |
| 02:24.53 | leethal | soooo... how do I hook that? |
| 02:25.08 | leethal | or get or fetch or whatever you call it |
| 02:25.18 | Kirov | Well, there in lies the problem. |
| 02:25.30 | Kirov | You can get the information out fairly easily, but it'll be in the wrong order. |
| 02:25.41 | leethal | do I have to know what the german string and the order is? |
| 02:25.47 | Kirov | Yes |
| 02:25.49 | leethal | WoW can't tell me that? |
| 02:25.54 | leethal | no way, totally impossible? |
| 02:26.01 | Kirov | You can find that from the GlobalStrings, where "%2 der %1 von %3 mine liver %4" is saved |
| 02:26.08 | Kirov | GlobalStrings.lua |
| 02:26.11 | Nom- | OMG I missed my chance! |
| 02:26.17 | leethal | I don't have a german globalstrings.lua around, me thinks |
| 02:26.19 | Nom- | I could have bought "A Clue" on eBay yesterday! |
| 02:26.31 | Shadowed | I though somebody uploaded them to CG a while back? |
| 02:26.42 | leethal | CG? |
| 02:26.46 | Kirov | Curse-Gaming |
| 02:26.46 | Shadowed | curse |
| 02:26.49 | Nom- | http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=442833203&size=o |
| 02:26.51 | Kirov | Yeah, there's an old one on there |
| 02:27.03 | Shadowed | Something like that wouldn't have changed that much I think |
| 02:27.24 | Shadowed | http://wow-en.curse-gaming.com/files/details/2408/globalstrings-lua-dede/ |
| 02:27.43 | leethal | fuck localization, then |
| 02:28.04 | Kirov | leethal - the easiest way to deal with it is use ParserLib |
| 02:28.07 | leethal | l2english, really |
| 02:28.11 | Kirov | They do all the work for you |
| 02:28.29 | leethal | can I use it outside of ace, or does it require an ace addon? |
| 02:28.32 | Kirov | I hate localization too, which is why I tend to stay away from anything that requires parsing the combat log |
| 02:28.44 | Shadowed | Are you sure theres a localziation that actually does that? |
| 02:29.07 | Kirov | leethal - ParserLib is just a tool. |
| 02:29.17 | leethal | Kirov: cool |
| 02:29.25 | Kirov | It requires you have the peices of Ace that it uses, but you don't have to use Ace yourself |
| 02:31.55 | cladhaire | isn't that just ParseLib-3.0 |
| 02:32.01 | cladhaire | ParserLib wasn't Ace before that |
| 02:32.07 | Kirov | Yeah |
| 02:32.14 | Kirov | ParserLib is stubby |
| 02:32.27 | Kirov | Parser-3.0 is ace |
| 02:32.38 | Kirov | So ParserLib is completely stand alone |
| 02:33.14 | JoshBorke | farming for deviate recipe ftl |
| 02:35.19 | leethal | which event could a paladins righteous defense getting resisted be? =/ |
| 02:35.30 | JoshBorke | ~devtools |
| 02:35.31 | purl | Iriel's DevTools, a highly useful set of debugging tools for developers on WoW. Found at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=3999 Why isn't it in the default client yet? |
| 02:35.36 | Iriel | CHAT_MSG_BAD_NEWS_FOR_YOU |
| 02:35.40 | JoshBorke | that mod will tell you what events with /dtframeevent |
| 02:35.43 | JoshBorke | lol iriel |
| 02:36.09 | leethal | cool |
| 02:36.32 | Kirov | Iriel - I think I just saw that one get added the other day |
| 02:37.31 | Iriel | I think it's part of slouken's new event overhaul to simplify the name of all events |
| 02:37.52 | Kaso | they should have just grouped them all into SOMETHING_HAPPENED imo |
| 02:38.04 | Iriel | You mean like CHAT_MSG_OMG_WTF |
| 02:38.13 | Iriel | Extensively used in newer raid instances |
| 02:38.17 | Kirov | CHAT_MSG_WTFBBQ! |
| 02:38.18 | Bleeter | CHAT_MSG_PWND |
| 02:38.33 | JoshBorke | CHAT_MSG_SURPRISE |
| 02:38.56 | Kirov | Iriel - any thoughts on abusing the UnitPopup to add entries with out causing taint? |
| 02:39.27 | Iriel | Post hook some things and add them at the end? |
| 02:39.34 | JoshBorke | hm, abusing without taint, perhaps try using a different word than abusing? ^_^ |
| 02:41.41 | pastamancer | JoshBorke: I agree, abuse should always include taint. |
| 02:42.00 | leethal | it sucks that you have to parse stupid strings |
| 02:42.02 | JoshBorke | pastamancer: indeed |
| 02:42.05 | leethal | having actual event stuff would rock |
| 02:42.14 | leethal | like OnLoad and those kinda thingies |
| 02:46.33 | Shadowed | We can get some basic data from CHAT_MSG_COMBAT if i remember right |
| 02:47.06 | Shadowed | sorry, COMBAT_TEXT_UPDATE actually |
| 02:48.30 | Shadowed | Blizzard_CombatText has some examples of what you can get from it, but thats mainly information on stuff done to the players, not things done to others |
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| 03:02.15 | leethal | how does one iterate over a table that has just values, not keys and values? |
| 03:02.45 | JoshBorke | every table has keys and values |
| 03:03.20 | leethal | hmm.. so when you go {"foo", "bar"} you're actually saying {1 = "foo", 2 = "bar"} and so on? |
| 03:03.25 | JoshBorke | yes |
| 03:24.23 | MentalPower|ZZzz | {[1]= 'foo', [2] = 'bar'} if you want to be technical |
| 03:25.01 | Shirik | leethal: You can iterate via ipars |
| 03:25.03 | Shirik | ipairs* |
| 03:25.07 | Shirik | (very late, sorry) |
| 03:25.30 | Shirik | for key, value in ipairs(tbl) do --[[codeblock]] end |
| 03:35.01 | Nom- | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/btattunement/ |
| 03:35.13 | Nom- | woot black temple attunement! |
| 03:35.35 | Shirik | hehe I like t hat |
| 03:35.48 | Shirik | imagine being the one that forces the entire server to wait a month |
| 03:35.54 | Shirik | because your timing was off |
| 03:36.02 | Nom- | Indeed! |
| 03:36.44 | Nom- | yay for hitting MC again! |
| 03:36.50 | Nom- | Although they should have made it Naxx instead |
| 03:37.04 | Shirik | Yay for me finally being able to afford a lv 60 mount! |
| 03:37.06 | Shirik | Only a year late! |
| 03:37.15 | Nom- | lol Shirik |
| 03:37.28 | Nom- | Yeah, I used money from my level 70 pally to buy my mage an epic mount |
| 03:37.35 | Shirik | I finally went through my bank sold a bunch of stuff |
| 03:37.35 | Nom- | level 60 epic that is |
| 03:37.46 | Shirik | came back a few hours later had a good 100g in my mailbox |
| 03:37.51 | Nom- | Still don't have an epic flying tho :( |
| 03:37.54 | Shirik | spent the next few hours doing some things and ye |
| 03:37.55 | Shirik | yey |
| 03:38.01 | Nom- | I need to force myself to farm some throium |
| 03:38.02 | Shirik | now I only have a ton of more money to make to get flying! |
| 03:38.07 | Shirik | And then I can go help my guild with Kara! |
| 03:38.14 | Nom- | Especially since our guild is going to head back to have some fun in Naxx ^_^ |
| 03:38.19 | Nom- | Need 5 arcane crystals |
| 03:38.28 | Shirik | I didn't actually get the mount though, only the training :( |
| 03:38.34 | Shirik | I need another 11 AV medals |
| 03:38.40 | Shirik | so now I'm mining while I wait for the queue heh |
| 03:38.54 | Shirik | it's 30 of each for a mount right? |
| 03:39.00 | Shirik | (Don't want to pay the 90g >.> ) |
| 03:39.44 | Nom- | Yeah |
| 03:39.58 | Nom- | That's what I got too |
| 03:39.58 | Shirik | wish I could convert some |
| 03:40.05 | Shirik | I have 89 AB medals >< |
| 03:40.05 | Nom- | Don't see any point in using them for anything else any more |
| 03:40.11 | Nom- | lol |
| 03:40.15 | Shirik | Yeah well I want the NE mount anyway :P |
| 03:40.26 | Nom- | At one point I had 100 AB medals, and 15 pages of badges in the mail |
| 03:40.41 | Shirik | heh |
| 03:42.06 | Nom- | On Channel 4's Deal or No Deal, the logo at the start read 'Beard or No Beard' instead of the correct name of the show (referring to the beard of host Noel Edmonds) to much laughter from the studio audience. In the end credits, 'The Banker', usually credited as being played by 'Himself', was credited as 'Titus Aduxas', which when read out loud becomes the phrase 'Tight as a duck's ass'. |
| 03:43.40 | Nom- | Real Radio (Scotland) convinced many listeners that it was Monday rather than Sunday and they had over-slept by 24 hours. |
| 03:46.26 | Cairenn | night all |
| 03:46.41 | Nom- | night Cairenn|afk |
| 03:47.18 | Shirik | night Cairenn|afk |
| 03:47.19 | Shirik | :( |
| 03:47.21 | Shirik | I missed her |
| 03:48.40 | Shadowed | She's probably still here for another hour |
| 03:48.46 | norgs | there, there Shirik... she'll be back... |
| 03:49.42 | Nom- | Anyone been to Naxx at level 70 ? |
| 03:50.04 | Nom- | I understand it can be done with 20-30 well geared 70s...just wondering how hard it is now :) |
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| 03:55.16 | Bleeter | http://www.eff.org/effector/19/11a.php more apr 1 madness |
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| 04:03.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | madness? |
| 04:04.03 | Nom- | haha yeah i saw that |
| 04:04.24 | Nom- | * RIAA to Parents: Pay When They're Toddlers and Save the |
| 04:04.24 | Nom- | Bother Later |
| 04:04.26 | Nom- | The RIAA today sent a "settlement letter" to all parents of |
| 04:04.27 | Nom- | children under 3 years old offering a toddler settlement rate |
| 04:04.27 | Nom- | for online copyright infringement if they simply send payment |
| 04:04.29 | Nom- | to major record labels before their children learn to read. |
| 04:04.31 | Nom- | "Our goal is to make this easier for parents," said RIAA |
| 04:04.34 | Nom- | President Cary Sherman. "Everyone knows that in this era of |
| 04:04.36 | Nom- | increasing hard drive capacity and new digital media |
| 04:04.39 | Nom- | technologies, it is inevitable that every child in America |
| 04:04.41 | Nom- | will infringe copyright sooner or later. With our 'toddler |
| 04:04.43 | Nom- | settlement' rate, parents can avoid those pesky lawsuits. |
| 04:04.46 | Nom- | Consider it a way to invest your child's future." |
| 04:04.49 | Nom- | The toddler settlement requires parents to log everything |
| 04:04.51 | Nom- | their child ever does online and to make those logs available |
| 04:04.56 | Shirik | o.o |
| 04:05.05 | Corrodias | ha |
| 04:05.09 | Shirik | my ears hurt from the beeping |
| 04:05.34 | Nom- | beeping? |
| 04:05.52 | Shirik | whenever I have irc not the active window, it makes a little chirp when a message comes in |
| 04:06.04 | Nom- | interesting |
| 04:06.14 | Shirik | or double beep if it says my name, and makes a little popup window in bottom right hand corner |
| 04:06.32 | Shirik | tbh I wish it did that to every message so I could see without switching back |
| 04:12.23 | Nom- | Shirik:Spam() |
| 04:12.26 | Nom- | :D |
| 04:12.31 | Shirik | see that doesn't work |
| 04:12.37 | Nom- | awww :( |
| 04:12.41 | Shirik | when you say my name, it pops up a window in the bottom right so I can read it without changing over |
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| 04:17.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | i basically use base mirc with a few scripts and aliases that i've thrown together over the years :p |
| 04:17.41 | Shirik | Drek'Thar crits you for 7241 |
| 04:17.42 | Shirik | ... |
| 04:18.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | drek thar hits hard :[ |
| 04:18.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | damn whirlwind |
| 04:19.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | compared to uh vanndar, he's insane |
| 04:19.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | why did i type "uh" /facepalm |
| 04:22.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | vanndar's a pansy, plus he doesnt always bring friends (that can also whirlwind) if pulled right :[ |
| 04:22.52 | Nom- | hmmmmm |
| 04:23.17 | Nom- | well that's melee...so that's only a normal hit of 3600 |
| 04:23.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | i honestly don't mind them being different but they should link em like drek |
| 04:23.24 | Nom- | And it's a slow attack too, right? |
| 04:23.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | having av be perfectly symmetrical would be pretty boring |
| 04:24.10 | Nom- | You don't know the meaning of hard hits until you've tanked the Karazhan trash and bosses |
| 04:24.19 | Nom- | and (i imagine) the 25-mans after that |
| 04:24.41 | Nom- | Some of that trash hits for 4000+dps and you need 2 healers hitting you with pretty hgih rank heals to survive it |
| 04:26.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah, i need more defense |
| 04:27.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've only got the equivalent of like 103 |
| 04:27.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | +103 that is |
| 04:28.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | also, one of drysc's posts: |
| 04:28.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | i saw a woman with a beard once, and i had to wonder if she didn’t know, liked it, or was using it to her advantage |
| 04:28.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | i never found out, and it haunts me every day |
| 04:28.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | don’t let those moments go by children… don’t let those moments go by |
| 04:28.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | O_o |
| 04:30.18 | Thunder_Child | Mr_Rabies2, WEIIIIIIIIIRD |
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| 04:31.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | i saw an albino guy with a manpurse once |
| 04:31.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | that was pretty bizarre |
| 04:32.11 | Nom- | Shirik:Spam() |
| 04:32.17 | Nom- | With that, i'm off to lunch :P |
| 04:32.17 | Nom- | bbs |
| 04:32.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's midnight :O |
| 04:32.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | i also dont believe in time zones |
| 04:34.55 | Shirik | rawr! |
| 04:35.01 | Shirik | Your aimed shot crits noob shaman for 4996 |
| 04:35.11 | Shirik | that makes up for when drek'thar owned me |
| 04:36.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | my biggest damage has been ~3500 :[ |
| 04:36.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | and that's ferocious bite on a sundered mob |
| 04:41.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't know if this is fake or not, but still: Kralnor TCG card, hahaha yes! http://www.warcraft-tcg.de/forum/images/tcg/03/03NoEN220.jpg |
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| 05:03.39 | batrick | new wowwiki main page looks a lot cleaner |
| 05:03.48 | batrick | whoever did it... :) |
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| 05:08.45 | Nom- | awwwwww |
| 05:08.53 | Nom- | Where's the Cat vs Cat gone? |
| 05:09.04 | Nom- | WTB Wowkitty :( |
| 05:10.02 | Nom- | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Main_Page&oldid=570139 <-- yay! |
| 05:11.39 | Nom- | the page content has been reverted, but some of the artwork hasn't |
| 05:11.39 | Nom- | :) |
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| 05:31.08 | Shadowed | "has slain" messages from CHAT_MSG_COMBAT_HOSTILE_DEATH fire if you get the killing blow, or if somebody else in your party does right? (Checked the wiki it doesn't mention about party) |
| 05:36.17 | batrick | anyone know why CheckButton.checked would be nil if I set it to true like: <CheckButton checked="true"> |
| 05:36.28 | batrick | :S |
| 05:42.40 | MentalPower | because thats not what you should be checking |
| 05:44.01 | MentalPower | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_CheckButton_GetChecked |
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| 06:04.12 | batrick | thanks MentalPower |
| 06:04.36 | Shirik | Shadowed, still here? |
| 06:07.45 | Shadowed | Shirik: Yeah, I found the answer though |
| 06:07.54 | Shirik | ok, sorry, I'm really slow today :( |
| 06:09.02 | Shadowed | easy solution to avoiding fake deaths from hunters at least! |
| 06:09.24 | Shirik | heh |
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| 06:35.49 | Kirkburn | The old MeoWWiki page is linked from the tabby kitten on the main page now :) |
| 06:37.54 | Kirkburn | batrick, I made it :P |
| 06:38.21 | batrick | o right |
| 06:38.27 | batrick | it looks good :) |
| 06:38.41 | batrick | shame people messed with the cats tho lolz |
| 06:38.48 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 07:02.16 | Nom- | WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT |
| 07:02.21 | Nom- | SRSLY long weekend this week :D |
| 07:02.46 | Nom- | No work on Friday, Saturday, Sunday or Monday! |
| 07:02.47 | Nom- | :D |
| 07:03.24 | Nom- | 26 business hours to go XD |
| 07:03.56 | Industrial | on the other hand i need to do stuff all the time when I dont want to AT HOME :P |
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| 07:12.31 | Nom- | April is the best month ever :P |
| 07:12.43 | Nom- | 3 x 4-day weeks in a row |
| 07:14.12 | JunkHead-Work | I can't wait for June to get here. |
| 07:14.29 | Nom- | June is like pfft |
| 07:14.49 | JunkHead-Work | Yeah but I take my vacation from work in June. And it's my birthday month. |
| 07:15.03 | Nom- | Still, pfft |
| 07:15.16 | Kirkburn | ... wow ... have a read of this - http://kbserver.netgear.com/inquira/default.asp?ui_mode=answer&prior_transaction_id=2300739&action_code=5&highlight_info=16777373,202,211&turl=http://kbserver.netgear.com/kb_web_files/N101596.asp&answer_id=46209034#__highlight |
| 07:15.34 | Kirkburn | Anyone with the slightest bit of technical knowledge could have written that better |
| 07:15.53 | Kirkburn | Of WinXP 64-bit: "This operating system's greater number of bits allows it, for example, to make effective use of dual CPU computers, and to run (some) custom-built software faster" |
| 07:16.07 | krka | haha |
| 07:16.13 | krka | "greater number of bits" :) |
| 07:16.25 | Kirkburn | Well, duh! :P |
| 07:16.46 | Kirkburn | C'mon, 32 extra bits, that's gotta do something |
| 07:16.48 | krka | zomg it has liek bigger numbers! |
| 07:17.53 | Nom- | lol |
| 07:18.03 | Nom- | 64-bit is still necessary in so many applications |
| 07:18.17 | Nom- | We're about to upgrade our DB2 servers to 64-bit enterprise edition DB2 |
| 07:18.30 | Nom- | Purely because we need more RAM :) |
| 07:19.19 | Nom- | There's really only 1 reason to run a 64-bit OS in reality |
| 07:19.26 | Nom- | That's to exceed the 4GB RAM Barrier |
| 07:19.27 | Bleeter | http://www.game-warden.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3502 |
| 07:19.34 | cogwheel | Kirkburn: i finally made the jump to vista :) |
| 07:19.44 | Kirkburn | woot |
| 07:20.00 | Kirkburn | Nom-, well god help you if you have Netgear tech anywhere |
| 07:20.19 | Nom- | lol Kirkburn |
| 07:20.29 | Nom- | Nah, IBM Blade Servers all the way |
| 07:21.01 | Nom- | IBM Blade Servers are sexy |
| 07:21.40 | Kirkburn | cogwheel, impressions? |
| 07:22.07 | cogwheel | Same as when I was using RC2 but with better hardware support :) |
| 07:22.26 | cogwheel | I'm actually running 64-bit with no problems so far |
| 07:23.31 | Nom- | Our production system is an IBM BladeCenter Chassis with 2 x 1TB SAN Chassis |
| 07:23.37 | Nom- | x2 :) |
| 07:23.56 | Kirkburn | I want a new PC :( |
| 07:24.30 | Nom- | cogwheel: You're probably not running 64-bit if you've had no problems ^_^ |
| 07:24.42 | Nom- | Mind you, Vista has a 32-bit compatability mode IIRC |
| 07:24.48 | Nom- | So most apps will be "ok" |
| 07:25.56 | cogwheel | Yep... 64-bit... not a single hitch so far... even a freeware DVD ISO burner works just fine :) |
| 07:26.48 | Nom- | yeah, that's the 32-bit compatability layer working for ya |
| 07:27.08 | Nom- | I'm actually tempted to get Vista |
| 07:27.16 | Nom- | But I don't want to have to upgrade my RAM lol |
| 07:27.26 | Nom- | 1GB should be enough damnit |
| 07:27.54 | AnduinLothar | 1gb is barely enough to run wow |
| 07:28.12 | Nom- | wow runs fine with 1gb |
| 07:28.28 | cogwheel | you've obviously never run WoW with more than 1gb... |
| 07:28.33 | Nom- | Does on my computer at least...it's a lean, mea gaming machine |
| 07:28.40 | Nom- | *mean |
| 07:28.53 | Nom- | cogwheel: Mine runs perfectly smooth |
| 07:29.09 | AnduinLothar | cant realy be mean if it has 1gb imo |
| 07:29.22 | AnduinLothar | lean maybe |
| 07:29.25 | cogwheel | what's your fps in a 40-man raid during combat? :P |
| 07:29.29 | cogwheel | mine's >80 |
| 07:29.37 | Nom- | cogwheel: The only issue is once every week or so the world fails to render correctly and i end up standing in mid air, and have to reboot my PC to fix it...but that's a Video Driver or WoW glitch, nothing to do with the RAM Or PC |
| 07:29.49 | Nom- | cogwheel: Again, that's video, not RAM |
| 07:30.02 | cogwheel | not really... |
| 07:30.15 | Nom- | cogwheel: On my old PC I got about 25...this one sits at about 55-60 |
| 07:30.15 | cogwheel | when it's swapping like crazy, it makes a huge difference |
| 07:30.27 | Nom- | Yeah, it barely ever swaps |
| 07:30.30 | cogwheel | 1g -> 2g ram is an immense improvement for WoW |
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| 07:31.02 | AnduinLothar | i don't think he's convinced |
| 07:31.29 | Nom- | Well, it makes it hard for WoW to swap when you disable the swap in Windows ;) |
| 07:31.34 | krka | wow runs fine with 512 - l2play |
| 07:32.26 | AnduinLothar | hmm, must be button mashers. healing is fairly impossible at the speed i used to play at, back when CastOptions worked |
| 07:33.02 | AnduinLothar | course that was on a 1.6 with 1.5 gb ram |
| 07:33.45 | Nom- | The performance problems that most people have are due to the amount of shite that people load onto their computers |
| 07:34.01 | AnduinLothar | so by lean you mean nothing but wow? |
| 07:34.03 | Nom- | And the fact the default install of Windows XP loads more shite than a manure factory |
| 07:34.42 | Nom- | I've just trimmed the fat from Windows, and disable the swap |
| 07:34.55 | Nom- | I don't load some services which are enabled by default in Windows...it runs fine |
| 07:35.17 | Nom- | I can still have Firefox, MSN and Winamp going while in game no probs |
| 07:35.20 | Nom- | And Ventrillo |
| 07:35.42 | AnduinLothar | i find this hard to believe. |
| 07:36.06 | Nom- | You find it hard to believe that you can run WoW just fine on 1GB RAM? |
| 07:36.23 | AnduinLothar | no, that you can run all those apps you jsut mentioned AND wow |
| 07:36.35 | AnduinLothar | on 1gb ram |
| 07:36.41 | Nom- | lol |
| 07:36.54 | Nom- | i often play with Outlook (the biggest memory hog of all!) open too |
| 07:37.11 | AnduinLothar | wow is definiely playable, i still don't believe "perfectly smooth" tho |
| 07:37.16 | Nom- | WoW doesn't use that much RAM with the Windows swap turned off |
| 07:37.43 | Nom- | lol |
| 07:37.56 | Nom- | I might be able to slow it down if I get a high rez widescreen LCD :) |
| 07:38.05 | Nom- | (So tempted) |
| 07:38.26 | AnduinLothar | what're you running, 1024? |
| 07:38.36 | Nom- | 1280x1024 |
| 07:39.08 | AnduinLothar | rez should be v-card dependant mostly |
| 07:39.14 | Nom- | I'll tell you one game that doesn't run smooth on there tho... fukn Star Wars: Galaxies |
| 07:39.31 | Nom- | I don't play it any more tho... |
| 07:39.47 | AnduinLothar | most mmo's are processor and hard drive intesive |
| 07:39.48 | Nom- | I reckon you could whack 4GB RAM in and it'd STILL be slow |
| 07:40.10 | Nom- | WoW is very lightweight compared to most, TBH |
| 07:40.16 | AnduinLothar | that's on purpose |
| 07:40.24 | Nom- | Even in Beta, it ran far smoother with better graphics than most |
| 07:40.25 | AnduinLothar | they wanted to keep the specs low |
| 07:40.56 | Nom- | I think they pushed a lot of the work for WoW to the video card, whereas most others i've played ARE HDD and RAM dependent |
| 07:42.08 | Kirkburn | About Vista, I run it on a 3 year old 1GB machine. It runs fine :) |
| 07:42.19 | AnduinLothar | aero? |
| 07:42.24 | Kirkburn | (actually, same with WoW, but I do need more RAM for that) |
| 07:42.27 | Kirkburn | Yup |
| 07:42.33 | Kirkburn | And Dreamscene |
| 07:42.41 | AnduinLothar | interesting, i've heard otherwise |
| 07:42.48 | Kirkburn | The only thing I upgraded was my gfx card - 6800 GT |
| 07:42.51 | krka | i ran wow in linux with 512 mb ram perfectly fine |
| 07:42.55 | AnduinLothar | but mine has 2gb so i can't say i've tested it |
| 07:43.03 | Nom- | I could actually afford to buy Vista now |
| 07:43.05 | Nom- | I'm semi-tempted |
| 07:43.07 | krka | sometimes i even had firefox and azureues running |
| 07:43.14 | krka | but that made it run less fine |
| 07:43.14 | Kirkburn | Get an OEM version |
| 07:43.20 | Nom- | Kirkburn: No shite :) |
| 07:43.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've always got azureus running in the bg now |
| 07:43.24 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 07:43.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | gotta get my oink ratio up somehow :[ |
| 07:43.39 | Nom- | I was thinking Widescreen LCD, extra 1GB of RAM and Vista OEM :) |
| 07:43.46 | Kirkburn | Mr_Rabies2 ... you could edit it |
| 07:43.58 | AnduinLothar | wait a sec. linux isn't an OS, it's a hobby, silly krka |
| 07:43.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | do what |
| 07:44.11 | krka | whatever |
| 07:44.14 | Kirkburn | You want to get your upload/download ratio uo? |
| 07:44.17 | Kirkburn | *up |
| 07:44.25 | Nom- | upload more |
| 07:44.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | i am :p |
| 07:44.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's a pain though |
| 07:44.32 | Kirkburn | Or edit the file |
| 07:44.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've had about 20 torrents open |
| 07:44.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | for a month |
| 07:44.40 | Kirkburn | And make it look like you have a higher one |
| 07:44.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | that'll get you banned fast |
| 07:44.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | like |
| 07:44.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | within hours |
| 07:45.11 | Nom- | faark |
| 07:45.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | and whoever invited you too |
| 07:45.15 | Kirkburn | Depends on the tracker, really |
| 07:45.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | for oink it will |
| 07:45.20 | Nom- | Gotta look at the distros for Vista...see which one i need |
| 07:45.26 | Kirkburn | What's oink? |
| 07:45.30 | Nom- | I suspect I need Ultimate, and that's fukn expensive, even in OEM |
| 07:45.41 | AnduinLothar | lol 'need' Ultimate |
| 07:45.53 | Kirkburn | Ultimate wasn't that expensive for me |
| 07:45.55 | Kirkburn | £120 |
| 07:46.09 | Nom- | well the difference here is like |
| 07:46.11 | Kirkburn | And about the same in $ last I heard |
| 07:46.13 | AnduinLothar | it's a ploy |
| 07:46.31 | cogwheel | $190 on newegg |
| 07:46.35 | Kirkburn | It's called economics |
| 07:46.41 | Nom- | Home Basic AUD 144, Home Premium AUD 164, Ultimate AUD 310 |
| 07:47.02 | Nom- | Home Premium 64 AUD 169 |
| 07:47.04 | Kirkburn | That's OEM? |
| 07:47.07 | Nom- | That's all OEM yea |
| 07:47.08 | cogwheel | yep |
| 07:47.10 | Kirkburn | Christ |
| 07:47.29 | AnduinLothar | £1 = $1.96850 |
| 07:47.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | oink's a tracker, kirk |
| 07:47.46 | Kirkburn | Mr_Rabies2, I thought that might be it |
| 07:47.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | one of the most structured and moderated |
| 07:48.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's a pain to keep your ratio up though, because everyone seeds like mad |
| 07:48.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | so there will be 3 leechers and 3-400 seeds |
| 07:48.59 | Nom- | Just trying to find the difference between them *sigh* |
| 07:49.16 | Nom- | I don't want a gimped version of Windows, if I get it, that's for sure |
| 07:49.43 | AnduinLothar | lowest ultimate price non-oem on http://www.windowsmarketplace.com/ is $220 |
| 07:50.02 | Shirik | What's AUD to USD? |
| 07:50.13 | Nom- | 1 AUD = 0.77 USD |
| 07:50.15 | Nom- | roughly |
| 07:50.23 | Nom- | Last I checked at least |
| 07:50.23 | Shirik | m |
| 07:50.30 | Shirik | I just get ultimate for free should I choose to take it :P |
| 07:50.32 | AnduinLothar | 0.81 atm |
| 07:50.46 | Shirik | well... that's not too too bad |
| 07:50.48 | Nom- | Indeed, 0.81 USD |
| 07:50.49 | Nom- | nice |
| 07:50.56 | Nom- | US Currency is going down the toilet lately :P |
| 07:50.58 | Shirik | I mean, XP Pro Retail Full was $299 |
| 07:51.08 | AnduinLothar | us likes to spend money elswhere |
| 07:51.15 | Shirik | like on pointless wars |
| 07:51.15 | AnduinLothar | and too much nat. debt |
| 07:51.20 | Nom- | Yeah, like on poinltess wars |
| 07:51.27 | Shirik | I didn't vote for him btw |
| 07:51.42 | AnduinLothar | i didn't vote against him |
| 07:51.52 | AnduinLothar | so i don't complain |
| 07:52.04 | cogwheel | as it should be :P |
| 07:52.08 | JunkHead-Work | Hmm... |
| 07:52.10 | Shirik | I... didn't vote against him |
| 07:52.14 | Shirik | only because I was 2 months too young |
| 07:52.18 | JunkHead-Work | To buy DVD's or not. |
| 07:52.20 | Nom- | lol at my last election, my ballot just read "They're all wankers!" |
| 07:52.20 | Shirik | so I still think I have the right to complain :P |
| 07:52.22 | AnduinLothar | excuses |
| 07:53.02 | Nom- | *sigh* can someone point me to a page which says "This is what you don't get in the gimpy version of Vista" |
| 07:53.11 | AnduinLothar | i did |
| 07:53.16 | Nom- | You did? |
| 07:53.20 | JunkHead-Work | http://www.windowsmarketplace.com/content.aspx?ctId=390&tabid=1 |
| 07:53.26 | JunkHead-Work | Bottom of the page. |
| 07:53.34 | JunkHead-Work | Nevemrind. |
| 07:53.43 | JunkHead-Work | My mistake, that is upgrade options. |
| 07:54.11 | JunkHead-Work | Actually below that it does have some features of each package. |
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| 07:54.44 | AnduinLothar | obtw http://thecrosstalk.blogspot.com/2006/10/vista-low-down-or-pretty-low.html |
| 07:54.54 | JunkHead-Work | But according to this chart, the only things home basic are good for is firewall and internet explorer. |
| 07:54.59 | Nom- | http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsvista/editions/choose.mspx <-- lol how useful |
| 07:55.33 | AnduinLothar | get business imo |
| 07:55.44 | Nom- | ok so you need home premium for Aero |
| 07:55.48 | AnduinLothar | it's just missing the built in apps |
| 07:56.12 | Nom- | Figured |
| 07:56.20 | Nom- | Remote Desktop not available in the gimpy home versions |
| 07:56.24 | JunkHead-Work | I don't even care about Aero.:\ |
| 07:57.00 | Nom- | Remote Desktop I do need |
| 07:57.05 | Nom- | I access my puter from work all the time |
| 07:57.20 | JunkHead-Work | I can do without that really, but it'd be nice to have. |
| 07:57.27 | AnduinLothar | whatever you do, dont get home |
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| 07:57.39 | Nom- | I wouldn't ever get home basic |
| 07:57.45 | JunkHead-Work | I also don't care about connectivity with my xbox 360. |
| 07:57.57 | Nom- | Home Premium might have been ok, except for the lack of Remote Desktop |
| 07:58.33 | Nom- | AUD 299 found one for |
| 07:58.40 | Nom- | That's about as cheap as i'll get it for here tho |
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| 07:58.51 | JunkHead-Work | Ok according to this last link... |
| 07:58.59 | JunkHead-Work | I would want Business. |
| 07:59.13 | AnduinLothar | Premium is $129, but i'd recommend business |
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| 08:00.11 | AnduinLothar | 129*.81=104.49 |
| 08:00.11 | AnduinLothar | erm |
| 08:00.15 | AnduinLothar | 129/.81=159.259259259259 |
| 08:00.42 | AnduinLothar | 299 is overpaying, heh |
| 08:00.57 | Nom- | That was ultimate |
| 08:01.00 | Nom- | for 299 |
| 08:01.01 | AnduinLothar | ah |
| 08:01.08 | AnduinLothar | that sounds right |
| 08:01.16 | Nom- | home premium is AUD 159 |
| 08:01.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | i still dunno wtf it's so expensive |
| 08:01.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm generally not a big fan of those who are all |
| 08:01.49 | Nom- | ok business is 215 |
| 08:01.54 | AnduinLothar | that's not rly expensive for an OS > 5 yrs in the making |
| 08:02.07 | Nom- | mind you...215 vs 299 ... not much difference |
| 08:02.17 | JunkHead-Work | I still don't have a reason to use Vista. XP works just fine for me. |
| 08:02.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | i dislike people that are all MiKKKro$$$oft and whatnot, but they went about vista in all the wrong ways |
| 08:02.18 | AnduinLothar | considering Mac OS has come out ever yr or two for $120 |
| 08:02.57 | AnduinLothar | well i got my vista free, but i only boot into it for games |
| 08:02.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | when they're ready for desktop lemme know |
| 08:02.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | :p |
| 08:03.00 | Nom- | lol |
| 08:03.03 | Shirik | works for me :/ |
| 08:03.16 | Nom- | Yeah, the problem is |
| 08:03.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'll wait for vista SP 1 or 2 before getting it most likely |
| 08:03.36 | Nom- | To "game" without all the problems of using Wine etc, you really need a Windows platform |
| 08:03.44 | Nom- | I tried the Wine stuff, and it just pissed me off too much |
| 08:03.55 | Nom- | That's why I've got Windows XP on my new computer, and not Ubuntu |
| 08:03.58 | Shirik | tbh, wow runs faster for me through wine |
| 08:04.02 | AnduinLothar | free = time investment |
| 08:04.09 | Shirik | this is true |
| 08:04.11 | Nom- | Well, truth be told, i've got Ubuntu dual boot :P |
| 08:04.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | plus unless you really know what you're doing, keeping linux running is a pain in the ass |
| 08:04.26 | Shirik | 2 things you have to remember: |
| 08:04.34 | Shirik | 1) Never shut off the computer forcefully if you can avoid it |
| 08:04.45 | Shirik | 2) Never do an rm -r /, especially as root |
| 08:04.57 | Shirik | I've done both, and haven't done it since :P |
| 08:04.58 | Nom- | WRT point 1 - power failures happen |
| 08:05.05 | Shirik | That's why I said if you can avoid it :P |
| 08:05.19 | Nom- | WRT point 2, you can screw your computer just as bad using mv |
| 08:05.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'll probably wait on WinFS to hit to do anything new |
| 08:05.32 | Shirik | #2 was more of a joke since I did it myself |
| 08:05.49 | Shirik | was pissed at the time but now I just laugh about it every once in a while |
| 08:05.59 | Nom- | I accidently did a mv /var /usr on a production machine a few years back |
| 08:05.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | to me, vista is the Millenium edition of now |
| 08:06.03 | Nom- | Man that was a pain to recover from :P |
| 08:06.13 | Nom- | actually sorry it was mv /lib /usr |
| 08:06.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | marginal upgrade over the standard at the time, unstable, and a resource hog |
| 08:06.39 | Shirik | you could just do cp /usr /lib and then "eh, good enough" |
| 08:06.41 | Nom- | Had to upload some statically linked tools to get it fixed |
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| 08:06.54 | Nom- | Shirik: That only works if cp still works :P |
| 08:06.58 | Shirik | oh yeah :/ |
| 08:07.06 | Nom- | Without access to lib nothing worked |
| 08:07.25 | Nom- | Thankfully SSH still worked, so i was able to upload some statically linked tools (mv namely) and fix it |
| 08:07.51 | Nom- | That was a whole lot of fun tho lol |
| 08:08.05 | Shirik | mm |
| 08:08.11 | Shirik | I really don't know what to do now |
| 08:08.16 | Shirik | I don't know of any bugs in the updater... |
| 08:08.52 | Shirik | suggestions for features? |
| 08:09.15 | Shadowed | slice bread |
| 08:09.57 | Shirik | there's no platform independent standard for operation of a bread slicer, though |
| 08:10.11 | Nom- | Make one... |
| 08:10.28 | Nom- | You could at least add cookie cutter operations |
| 08:10.35 | Nom- | coz everyone likes cookies |
| 08:10.35 | Shadowed | i'm fine with a closed source bread slicer, as you can do it in 2 lines |
| 08:10.46 | Shadowed | s/as/as long as/ |
| 08:10.53 | Shirik | But then I'd have to write even more java native code... |
| 08:10.57 | Shirik | and using the JNI is a pain |
| 08:11.09 | Shadowed | just get a bigger cup |
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| 08:15.43 | Nom- | hmmm 22" or 19" |
| 08:15.46 | Nom- | Can't decide :( |
| 08:15.56 | Shirik | monitor? |
| 08:16.00 | Nom- | I'm sure i'll regret 19" if i get it, but 22" is significantly more expensive |
| 08:16.06 | Nom- | Shirik: Yea |
| 08:16.07 | Shirik | well... let's say this |
| 08:16.09 | Shirik | I have a 23" |
| 08:16.19 | Shirik | It didn't seem so big when buying it |
| 08:16.27 | Shirik | but omg it takes up quite a bit of desk space, and really is pushing it |
| 08:16.37 | Shirik | if you have 19" with a good resolution, it would be fine |
| 08:16.39 | Nom- | I've got a 19" standard atm |
| 08:16.49 | Nom- | I'm looking at either 19" WS or 22" WS |
| 08:16.56 | Shirik | this is 23" WS |
| 08:16.56 | JunkHead-Work | I went from a 19" CRT to a 20.1" LCD. |
| 08:17.02 | JunkHead-Work | I had to buy a new desk.:P |
| 08:17.05 | Shirik | heh |
| 08:17.13 | Nom- | Yeah, there's the problem tho |
| 08:17.18 | Nom- | 19" = 1440x900 |
| 08:17.22 | Nom- | 22" = 1680x1050 |
| 08:17.26 | Shirik | hrm |
| 08:17.34 | JunkHead-Work | I thik mine are... 20" is 1600x1200 |
| 08:17.43 | JunkHead-Work | Laptop is 17", 1440x900 |
| 08:18.15 | Nom- | I've got a 17" Laptop that does 1680x1050 |
| 08:18.17 | Nom- | I love it... |
| 08:18.25 | JunkHead-Work | Ok can I ask a WoW UI question? |
| 08:18.27 | Nom- | If the video card was better, i'd use it |
| 08:18.30 | JunkHead-Work | Maybe one of you can help me. |
| 08:18.31 | Shirik | Nom- that wouldn't make any difference |
| 08:18.36 | Shirik | they both have about the same DPI |
| 08:18.40 | Shirik | you wouldn't notice the change |
| 08:18.54 | Nom- | Shirik: I would...I love high res, regardless of screen size |
| 08:18.55 | Shirik | you're talking a 1 DPI difference |
| 08:19.04 | Nom- | If I could put my 19" LCD into 1600x1200, I would |
| 08:19.06 | Shirik | you're going to notice one less pixel? :P |
| 08:19.22 | Shirik | JunkHead-Work go ahead |
| 08:19.24 | Shirik | don't ask to ask |
| 08:19.25 | JunkHead-Work | Which is easier on system resources, Titan Panel, or FuBar? |
| 08:19.45 | Nom- | JunkHead-Work: FuBar probably |
| 08:19.48 | Shirik | I'd have to say FuBar, as much as I dislike Ace |
| 08:19.55 | JunkHead-Work | I currently use Titan Panel. |
| 08:20.02 | Shirik | it's one of those things once again where a program is only as good as the programmer that makes it |
| 08:20.09 | JunkHead-Work | And I do like it, but a lot of people reccomend FuBar as better. |
| 08:20.18 | Shirik | and the programmer for FuBar (ckknight?) is astounding |
| 08:20.30 | JunkHead-Work | Yeah. I've talke dto him before. |
| 08:20.32 | Shirik | I forget who wrote it |
| 08:20.40 | ckknight | I am astounding, aren't I? |
| 08:20.40 | Shirik | but whomever it is, he did a pretty good job |
| 08:20.43 | Shirik | heh, hi |
| 08:20.56 | JunkHead-Work | Yup You are. |
| 08:20.57 | AnduinLothar | titan has been maintained by too many people, it's code is a mess |
| 08:21.06 | ckknight | I also wrote Cartographer and most of Ace2 and now I'm writing PitBull (Unit Frames addon) |
| 08:21.26 | AnduinLothar | FuBar's code is cleaner but i don't really liek the design concepts behind it |
| 08:21.32 | JunkHead-Work | my problem would be finding the addons that I currently use for Titan, I'd be sad if I missed out on something. |
| 08:21.38 | AnduinLothar | nested menus and such |
| 08:21.40 | Shirik | wowinterface.com |
| 08:21.50 | JunkHead-Work | I might have to look into it. |
| 08:21.52 | Shirik | has a whoole section dedicated to fubar |
| 08:21.58 | ckknight | AnduinLothar: that's really up to the plugin itself |
| 08:22.03 | JunkHead-Work | Also, while I'm thinking about it. |
| 08:22.11 | AnduinLothar | sort of, but you set the precident |
| 08:22.26 | JunkHead-Work | Can anyone name an addon, that I can like... type a command then a tloc and have it appear on my map? |
| 08:22.28 | AnduinLothar | and wrote msot fo the obviously high demand ones |
| 08:22.33 | ckknight | JunkHead-Work: Cartographer |
| 08:22.34 | Shirik | TomTom |
| 08:22.43 | AnduinLothar | MapNotes |
| 08:22.44 | JunkHead-Work | ckknight - I want something smaller. |
| 08:22.49 | Shirik | Then tomtom |
| 08:22.51 | Shirik | that's about all it does |
| 08:22.56 | ckknight | so get Cartographer and remove all the modules you don't need |
| 08:22.59 | ckknight | ;-) |
| 08:23.04 | AnduinLothar | heh, sounds like linux |
| 08:23.08 | Shirik | lol |
| 08:23.11 | ckknight | i.e. everything but Cartographer_Notes |
| 08:23.20 | ckknight | hey, modularity ftw |
| 08:23.25 | ckknight | it makes maintenance so much easier |
| 08:23.32 | Shirik | agreed |
| 08:23.42 | Shirik | I don't know how I'd deal with RDX if you couldn't atomically remove modules |
| 08:23.46 | AnduinLothar | might as well get mapnotes, dont have to strip it and get the same functionality, which is still more than he wanted |
| 08:23.46 | Shirik | It's gotten too big |
| 08:24.02 | AnduinLothar | tomtom imo |
| 08:24.15 | ckknight | I declare more efficiency, at least memory-wise |
| 08:24.23 | ckknight | unless MapNotes has changed recently |
| 08:24.33 | JunkHead-Work | Ooh... Tomtom looks ok. |
| 08:24.36 | Shirik | lol |
| 08:24.43 | Shirik | sorry, bad thought in mind |
| 08:24.45 | AnduinLothar | Telic rewrote some of it |
| 08:24.53 | AnduinLothar | added more features and compatibility |
| 08:25.02 | AnduinLothar | i haven't actually looked at the code |
| 08:25.04 | ckknight | when was this? |
| 08:25.10 | AnduinLothar | months ago |
| 08:25.20 | ckknight | hrm, I ran my tests about a month and a half ago |
| 08:25.22 | Shirik | Hey what was that addon that clad|sleep was working on that handles wowhead's quest comments? |
| 08:25.28 | AnduinLothar | on what version |
| 08:25.30 | Shirik | released yet? |
| 08:25.39 | ckknight | I forget |
| 08:25.39 | AnduinLothar | think it's listed as fan's update on curse |
| 08:25.45 | ckknight | and I don't want to make a war or anything |
| 08:25.49 | AnduinLothar | same as he did for alpha map |
| 08:26.00 | ckknight | but Cart has a lot of fun hacks to make it more memory efficient |
| 08:26.04 | Shirik | I don't know, I like Cartographer |
| 08:26.05 | AnduinLothar | but he's quitting wow afaik |
| 08:26.10 | Shirik | I just installed it 3 days ago, still getting to learn it |
| 08:26.15 | ckknight | sucks to lose a good author |
| 08:26.15 | Shirik | but I like it |
| 08:26.15 | AnduinLothar | so, w/e |
| 08:26.17 | ckknight | oh well |
| 08:26.17 | JunkHead-Work | I just use metamap for my map.:\ |
| 08:26.30 | AnduinLothar | heh metamap, spekaing of feature creep |
| 08:26.32 | ckknight | I made Cartographer cause Metamap was such a beast |
| 08:26.33 | Shirik | JunkHead-Work - if that's all you want to do, though |
| 08:26.40 | Shirik | tomTom might be a good choice, very new too |
| 08:26.47 | Shirik | it's also pretty |
| 08:26.50 | JunkHead-Work | I'm reading up on TomTom now. |
| 08:26.52 | Shirik | it makes little blue sparkles |
| 08:26.54 | ckknight | link me |
| 08:27.00 | JunkHead-Work | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7032-TomTom.html |
| 08:27.53 | ckknight | ah. |
| 08:28.16 | AnduinLothar | http://wow-en.curse-gaming.com/files/details/4116/mapnotes-fans-update/ |
| 08:28.25 | JunkHead-Work | So I'm guessing you could just type "/way 46 32" |
| 08:28.29 | Shirik | yes |
| 08:28.31 | JunkHead-Work | And you'd get a dot on your map and minimap. |
| 08:28.40 | Shirik | and an arrow, and a blue sparkly |
| 08:29.33 | AnduinLothar | thankfully he made sure all his addons were stable and workign before he announced his retirement |
| 08:29.49 | Shirik | if only we had more authors like him :) |
| 08:30.22 | JunkHead-Work | Ok I got another question. Concerning the KLH Threatmeter (Or whatever the name is) |
| 08:30.33 | JunkHead-Work | Er? |
| 08:30.39 | JunkHead-Work | Please name an alternative.:P |
| 08:30.43 | Shirik | there isn't one |
| 08:30.45 | JunkHead-Work | Please do. |
| 08:30.47 | JunkHead-Work | Damn! |
| 08:30.52 | Shirik | not that I'm aware of |
| 08:30.56 | Shirik | I still don't like it |
| 08:31.07 | krka | the trick is to gradually make your addons worse and worse, until no one is using them anymore |
| 08:31.10 | krka | then you can retire |
| 08:31.11 | JunkHead-Work | Anyway... My cousin uses most of the same mods as I do. |
| 08:31.14 | ckknight | nah |
| 08:31.20 | ckknight | I'll stick around forever, just out of spite |
| 08:31.22 | JunkHead-Work | So if we are grouped, My threat shows up. |
| 08:31.22 | Shirik | ............. |
| 08:31.24 | Shirik | beautiful! |
| 08:31.30 | AnduinLothar | or start with ones wow's likely to ban/dissable |
| 08:31.36 | JunkHead-Work | Not sure what ti looks like on her screen though. |
| 08:31.38 | ckknight | lol, that's possible too |
| 08:31.50 | Shirik | So like... my web host provides me with the ability to chmod 700 on specific files that I may want to lock down, right? |
| 08:31.54 | ckknight | I'm comfortable with Cart's legally gray status |
| 08:31.56 | Shirik | Well, now I need to go back to it to adjust it... |
| 08:31.58 | JunkHead-Work | But when I'm in a raid or large party, still.. either only my threats shows, or noone's does. |
| 08:32.03 | AnduinLothar | my first addon was the only one ever to be a bannable offense |
| 08:32.10 | ckknight | what was that? |
| 08:32.16 | ckknight | language translation? |
| 08:32.16 | Shirik | (1) no SSH access, so can't chmod back, (2) cpanel refuses to let me edit it, (3) server php files can't edit it |
| 08:32.18 | AnduinLothar | UniversalTranslator |
| 08:32.21 | ckknight | ah, fun |
| 08:32.29 | ckknight | how'd you do that? numbers? |
| 08:32.37 | AnduinLothar | there were 4 methods |
| 08:32.42 | JunkHead-Work | SHouldn't a threat meter actually show party members' threat? |
| 08:32.50 | AnduinLothar | numbers and punctuation |
| 08:32.53 | JunkHead-Work | Instead of just my own, or be blank. |
| 08:32.55 | Shirik | JunkHead-Work - it's impossible to do if not everyone has it |
| 08:33.12 | JunkHead-Work | Ok so, eitehr EVERYONE has to have it... |
| 08:33.13 | ckknight | not impossible |
| 08:33.16 | ckknight | just very, very expensive |
| 08:33.21 | Shirik | I disagree |
| 08:33.22 | ckknight | *thumbs up* |
| 08:33.23 | JunkHead-Work | It won't just work if say.. 5/10 people have it? |
| 08:33.25 | Shirik | with the talents, etc. out there |
| 08:33.32 | Shirik | you can't get numbers quite right |
| 08:33.33 | ckknight | oh, right |
| 08:33.37 | ckknight | yea, that can affect it |
| 08:33.56 | JunkHead-Work | Well, I've been in raids before, and I'm a healer, and I've drawn aggro and not known it. |
| 08:33.58 | Shirik | true it would be very expensive for one person to be doing all calculations too :P |
| 08:34.05 | JunkHead-Work | Because KLH doesn't say anything at all. |
| 08:34.20 | Shirik | typically KLH is used by fully organized, consistent raid teams |
| 08:34.25 | Shirik | those with requirements, etc. |
| 08:34.30 | JunkHead-Work | Whihc... damn sure isn't us. |
| 08:34.46 | Shirik | i.e., if the raid will be using KLH, likely the raid leader will force everyone to use it |
| 08:35.06 | JunkHead-Work | Yeah, that's not us. At all. I would welcome that day. |
| 08:37.55 | AnduinLothar | klh is mostly a learning tool. if you rely on it it can help to quickly master some straitforward but challenging fights, like in bwl. but in more complicated agro situations not being able to intuatively know how much agro you make can slow you down and make oyu a liability tependant on everyone having klh |
| 08:38.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | dear god pvp is painful on my druid now :[ |
| 08:38.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | i feel weaker than i was pre 2.0 :/ |
| 08:38.33 | JunkHead-Work | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v475/JunkHead/WoWScrnShot_032407_213855.jpg?t=1175503070 |
| 08:38.43 | JunkHead-Work | Notice I had turned off KLH at this point.:P |
| 08:40.45 | ckknight | I don't get it |
| 08:41.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | okay that was not good |
| 08:41.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | a rogue just killed another rogue AND me |
| 08:41.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | :/ |
| 08:42.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | wait no |
| 08:42.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | a hunter and me |
| 08:44.17 | Shirik | bottom right "Galvinor" |
| 08:44.18 | Shirik | what's that? |
| 08:44.23 | AnduinLothar | what's the default chance to miss? |
| 08:44.27 | AnduinLothar | 5%? |
| 08:44.44 | JunkHead-Work | Galvinor is a friend of mine. |
| 08:44.49 | Shirik | I mean |
| 08:44.52 | JunkHead-Work | That window is WIM. |
| 08:44.52 | Shirik | what's the window |
| 08:44.53 | Nom- | Hey, does anyone recall some initiative from M$ regarding extra licences for a second computer in the house |
| 08:44.56 | Shirik | ah |
| 08:44.56 | Nom- | for Vista |
| 08:45.00 | JunkHead-Work | WoW Instant Messenger. |
| 08:45.46 | JunkHead-Work | It's just a chat window for /w and /r |
| 08:45.47 | Shirik | yeah I've heard of it just never seen it |
| 08:45.47 | Shirik | AnduinLothar: Yes, 5% |
| 08:45.47 | JunkHead-Work | The buttons on the right side allow you to invite them to group/add to friends/ignore them. |
| 08:45.59 | JunkHead-Work | There is a new evrsion now though, that has tabbed chat boxes. |
| 08:46.08 | JunkHead-Work | And a button you can click to see where they are. |
| 08:47.05 | ZealotOnAStick | Nom-: If you buy Vista Ultimate, you get additional Home Premium (I think, premium, one of the Home ones) for discounted prices. |
| 08:47.34 | ZealotOnAStick | But honestly, if you're going to drop the cash on a full copy of Ultimate, you might as well just buy yourself a Technet subscription. |
| 08:48.04 | Nom- | Well I'd be getting the OEM ultimate |
| 08:50.15 | Nom- | Looks like you don't get the option with OEM |
| 08:50.16 | Nom- | Bummer |
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| 08:55.01 | Shirik | wow |
| 08:55.10 | Shirik | there's an ATHF reference in WoW |
| 08:55.22 | Gngsk | where at? |
| 08:55.30 | Shirik | "An NPC named Oglethorpe Obnoticus can be found in Booty Bay. He's a reference to Oglethorpe, one of the unbelivably stupid Plutonian aliens, and their source of knowledge, Orbnaticus, a giant mirrored disco ball that Oglethorpe insists is actually a supercomputer. The NPC is an engineering trainer who gives the quests The Pledge of Secrecy and Show Your Work." |
| 08:55.59 | Gngsk | he also does the mechanical chicken quests |
| 08:58.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | yep\ |
| 09:02.56 | Shirik | ha I didn't know this: The guards in Ironforge sometimes say they wished they had taken the blue potion instead of the red potion when a player asks for the location of the Alchemist. |
| 09:03.02 | Shirik | I love Blizzard |
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| 10:03.20 | Shirik | if I install MazzleUI |
| 10:03.26 | Shirik | does it get forced onto all of my characters? |
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| 10:04.50 | JunkHead-Work | FIne... |
| 10:04.57 | JunkHead-Work | Ya know... I had a guildmate recommend MazzleUI. |
| 10:05.03 | JunkHead-Work | I didn't try it though. |
| 10:05.06 | Shirik | I just didn't want you to be spamming them and them go "what the hell are you talking about" |
| 10:05.10 | JunkHead-Work | I just wanted to be included in the conversation. |
| 10:05.16 | subbawt | i've used it just to see what it was all about |
| 10:05.19 | Shirik | Oh, I don't want to try it, but |
| 10:05.23 | Shirik | I think |
| 10:05.30 | Shirik | if the updater can install MazzleUI correctly without problems |
| 10:05.32 | JunkHead-Work | I use MirageUI. |
| 10:05.35 | Shirik | I can argue that it's working correctly |
| 10:05.40 | JunkHead-Work | It works fairly well... |
| 10:05.41 | Shirik | but I don't want to use it >< |
| 10:05.48 | subbawt | mazzle completely reconfigures all the action ids |
| 10:05.51 | subbawt | for the character you install it on |
| 10:05.52 | Shirik | oi |
| 10:05.57 | subbawt | so beware :P |
| 10:05.59 | Shirik | but if I made a new character |
| 10:06.06 | Shirik | so long as I never logged in... |
| 10:06.31 | Shirik | and then completely removed it before I logged in again |
| 10:06.36 | JunkHead-Work | I use the same UI for all characters anyway. |
| 10:06.37 | Shirik | it shouldn't change anything right? |
| 10:07.09 | subbawt | hmm |
| 10:07.18 | subbawt | if it has its own installer, which i remember it having |
| 10:07.36 | JunkHead-Work | Yeah they person who told me about it mentioned it had it's own installer. |
| 10:07.44 | subbawt | it might copy pre-set saved variable files into your savedvariables folder |
| 10:07.47 | subbawt | although i don't think it does |
| 10:07.50 | JunkHead-Work | And an addon on/off menu. |
| 10:08.15 | subbawt | if it does that, and you use any mods that it contains pre-packaged configurations for, it might cause some problems with those specific mods |
| 10:08.15 | JunkHead-Work | Which I like the idea of, but from what I read about it, it doesn't to be too different from other UI Compilations. |
| 10:08.52 | Shirik | oh I intend to back up my SV and Interface before doing this |
| 10:08.55 | subbawt | but i think what is supposed to be unique about it, is that it doesn't contain pre-configured savedvarables |
| 10:09.13 | subbawt | it configures them on the fly when you "Mazzlefy" or whatever the hell the command is |
| 10:09.16 | Shirik | yeah |
| 10:09.39 | Shirik | oh hell |
| 10:09.47 | Shirik | I'll just install it and never log in |
| 10:09.51 | Shirik | I'll guess if it worked right :P |
| 10:09.57 | JunkHead-Work | The only changes I might make to my UI, is just substituting some addons for others that do the same thing. |
| 10:11.07 | Shirik | hmmm anyone know when mcdonalds' opens? |
| 10:11.08 | Shirik | 6am? |
| 10:11.13 | subbawt | most are 24 hour around here |
| 10:11.19 | Shirik | not mine :/ |
| 10:11.32 | JunkHead-Work | 5am I think. |
| 10:11.55 | Shirik | if they do open at 5am that would be the stupidest mcdonalds' ever |
| 10:11.57 | Shirik | since they close at 3 |
| 10:12.00 | Shirik | what's the point of closing |
| 10:12.05 | Shirik | meh, I'll go see if they're open |
| 10:12.21 | Shirik|Fooding | you know |
| 10:12.28 | Shirik|Fooding | it wouldn't suprise me with the people they have working there, though |
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| 10:15.37 | nevcairiel | they generally only close for cleanup/restock |
| 10:15.43 | nevcairiel | our mcd is closed for like 3 hours |
| 10:17.18 | Shirik|Fooding | ah, I guess that makes sense |
| 10:17.19 | Shirik|Fooding | anyway, afk |
| 10:22.33 | subbawt | i love farming at this time of day |
| 10:22.55 | JunkHead-Work | I would if I could. |
| 10:23.04 | subbawt | it feels like i have the server to myself |
| 10:23.44 | JunkHead-Work | It's usually fairly quiet when I play. |
| 10:24.01 | JunkHead-Work | I'm logging off just before the school crowd comes online. |
| 10:25.16 | subbawt | i've been getting every single black lotus that has spawned |
| 10:25.18 | subbawt | for the last two hours |
| 10:25.26 | JunkHead-Work | I can't get those yet.:( |
| 10:26.41 | subbawt | there are a lot of PvE dominant guilds on my server, so flasks are a hot commodity |
| 10:27.09 | JunkHead-Work | What server? |
| 10:27.24 | subbawt | Mal'Ganis |
| 10:27.31 | JunkHead-Work | US? |
| 10:27.48 | subbawt | yes |
| 10:27.59 | JunkHead-Work | Cool. I play on Stormrage US. |
| 10:28.50 | subbawt | there are probably 8-9 guilds horde side alone that have killed gruul and are working on Magtheridon and/or the first boss in SSC |
| 10:29.15 | subbawt | probably more |
| 10:29.29 | JunkHead-Work | I don't really keep up with what out guildds do. I only recently started raiding much. |
| 10:29.41 | JunkHead-Work | And my guild isn't doing anything like that yet. |
| 10:29.45 | subbawt | and the first boss in Serpentshrine cavern requires massive DPS |
| 10:29.58 | JunkHead-Work | Many of us are working on getting keyed for Karazhan. |
| 10:30.25 | subbawt | My guild falls into the category of the ones i described |
| 10:31.20 | subbawt | Two groups clearing karazhan weekly. High King/Gruul down, working on magtheridon. |
| 10:31.27 | JunkHead-Work | We don't really have enough 70's to do anything higher than Karazhan. And it'll be a miracle to actually get a decent 10 man group together. |
| 10:32.31 | JunkHead-Work | I think we have around 20-22 lvl 70's. |
| 10:32.45 | JunkHead-Work | And at least 8 of those are rogues and hunters. |
| 10:32.54 | JunkHead-Work | 4-5 are paladins. |
| 10:34.09 | subbawt | we have about 60 level 70s |
| 10:34.12 | subbawt | a few of those being alts |
| 10:34.51 | JunkHead-Work | Yup we have 22 70's. |
| 10:35.15 | subbawt | we have a LOT of trial members though, we've been massively recruiting |
| 10:35.35 | Shirik|Fooding | Mal'Ganis? |
| 10:35.38 | JunkHead-Work | 5 rogues, 4 hunters, 4 paladins, 3 warriors, 1 warlock, 1 Druid, 2 Mages, 2 priests |
| 10:35.40 | Shirik|Fooding | I think that's in my battlegroup |
| 10:35.55 | subbawt | Stormstrike |
| 10:35.58 | subbawt | what server are you on? |
| 10:36.01 | Shirik | hm maybe not |
| 10:36.02 | Shirik | Eredar |
| 10:36.10 | subbawt | nope |
| 10:36.15 | Shirik | anyway, are you on a pvp or pve server? |
| 10:36.28 | subbawt | PvP |
| 10:36.37 | Shirik | heh, then you know what it's like |
| 10:36.39 | JunkHead-Work | The last raid I went to was an MC raid just to get people socializing. |
| 10:36.51 | Shirik | not only having to worry about getting mats, but keeping yourself alive at the same time |
| 10:36.55 | Nom- | Anyone use Cedega to run WoW ? |
| 10:36.59 | JunkHead-Work | 0 Priests. 1 Mage. 1 Warlock. |
| 10:37.08 | subbawt | yeah Shirik |
| 10:37.10 | Nom- | I´ve booted into Ubuntu, and i´m going to give it a whack ^_^ |
| 10:37.16 | Shirik | imo use wine :P |
| 10:37.37 | Nom- | Is the performance in WoW good enough on stock standard wine ? |
| 10:37.48 | Shirik | is what I use, and like I said I think it runs faster than my windows install |
| 10:37.51 | Nom- | coz i know that Cedega is essentially optimized for gaming... |
| 10:38.09 | Nom- | wine or winex ? |
| 10:38.14 | Shirik | wine |
| 10:38.22 | Shirik | apt_get install wine |
| 10:38.28 | Shirik | config |
| 10:38.30 | Shirik | all I did |
| 10:38.45 | Nom- | firing it up now... |
| 10:38.45 | Shirik | oh also |
| 10:38.49 | Shirik | you can't run from an NTFS drive |
| 10:38.52 | Shirik | if you're trying to |
| 10:38.58 | Nom- | crap, that was the plan lol |
| 10:39.03 | Shirik | yeah |
| 10:39.06 | Shirik | the cache files can't be written |
| 10:39.09 | Shirik | and then it gets pissed |
| 10:39.21 | Nom- | even on ntfs-3g ? |
| 10:39.42 | Shirik | I don't know about it, but the general problem is the writing issue |
| 10:39.47 | Shirik | if you can write to your partition, you'll be ok |
| 10:39.58 | Shirik | but ntfs, under ubuntu's default setup, can't |
| 10:40.01 | Nom- | ntfs-3g is a full read-write ntfs driver |
| 10:40.22 | Shirik | try mounting with it then and see how it goes |
| 10:40.42 | Shirik | I just copied over my wow directory; took the easy way out |
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| 10:41.12 | subbawt | PvP servers are definitely the most fun |
| 10:41.16 | Shirik | totally |
| 10:41.40 | subbawt | There used to be massive wars every day between LHC and Naxx at about 6PM server time. |
| 10:41.43 | subbawt | It was awesome. |
| 10:41.44 | Shirik | I actually play a new char now (aside from my old one) with a very old group of friends whom I met outside of wow |
| 10:41.48 | Shirik | they decided to roll a PvE server |
| 10:42.01 | Shirik | I can't stand the fact that I can't kill alliance when I see them |
| 10:42.02 | subbawt | and before that it was outside ahn'qiraj, and before that blackrock mountain :P |
| 10:42.16 | Shirik | if you go way back, southshore :P |
| 10:42.23 | subbawt | lol yeah |
| 10:42.31 | Shirik | before BGs |
| 10:42.56 | Nom- | bleh gotta reboot X to see new apps i think |
| 10:42.58 | subbawt | we've always had so many raiding guilds on our server though |
| 10:43.09 | subbawt | that at the standard raid time, it's always chaos outside the instance |
| 10:43.16 | Shirik | Nom- how did you install them? |
| 10:43.26 | Shirik | apt_get ? |
| 10:43.55 | Nom- | yeah apt-get install wine |
| 10:44.04 | Shirik | is it a dash? I always get it backwards >< |
| 10:44.08 | Shirik | then it should be fine |
| 10:44.23 | Shirik | no need to restart X |
| 10:44.38 | Nom- | I dont have a GUI frontend for Wine tho |
| 10:44.43 | Nom- | Maybe that was Cedega that had that |
| 10:44.53 | Shirik | yeh wine doesn't afaik... but the config does |
| 10:45.45 | Shirik | do winecfg in terminal |
| 10:46.01 | Shirik | once you've got it set up, |
| 10:46.06 | Shirik | just wine /path/to/wow.exe |
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| 10:47.13 | Shirik | oh right |
| 10:47.21 | Shirik | I think you have to cd to that folder to make it the working dir |
| 10:47.31 | Shirik | and then wine wow.exe |
| 10:48.22 | Nom- | gotta mount the drive first :P |
| 10:48.26 | Nom- | just getting that going now |
| 10:48.31 | Shirik | yeah that's kinda an important step |
| 10:48.33 | Shirik | heh |
| 10:49.38 | Nom- | bleh gotta mount it rw to all :( |
| 10:49.42 | Nom- | thats a PITA |
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| 10:50.20 | Shirik | does it take a while to mount rw? |
| 10:50.23 | Shirik | never used the driver myself |
| 10:50.48 | Nom- | nah instant |
| 10:50.56 | Nom- | bleh, gotta find out how to turn off these sticky keys |
| 10:51.00 | Shirik | hahaha |
| 10:51.03 | Nom- | ´a = á <-- very annoying |
| 10:51.03 | Shirik | I remember sticky keys |
| 10:51.17 | Nom- | As far as I can see, the option is turned off |
| 10:51.26 | Nom- | So I´ll probably have to hack my X config directly :( |
| 10:55.41 | Nom- | lol |
| 10:55.46 | Nom- | its way bright |
| 10:55.48 | Nom- | but it loaded |
| 10:56.01 | Shirik | can you adjust the gamma? |
| 10:56.12 | Shirik | I remember actually, my game usually has it way dark |
| 10:56.17 | Nom- | holy crap it was just the login screen |
| 10:56.21 | Shirik | so I was happy when it loaded in wine the correct amount |
| 10:56.22 | Nom- | after that itÅ› fine |
| 10:56.27 | Shirik | oh? |
| 10:56.30 | Shirik | it stayed that way for me tbh |
| 10:56.32 | Shirik | unless I imagined it |
| 10:56.39 | Nom- | I just logged in |
| 10:56.40 | Shirik | but I'm really used to squinting to see things |
| 10:56.53 | Nom- | Now as soon as sticky keys is off, all will be well |
| 10:57.12 | Nom- | aww doh |
| 10:57.12 | Nom- | it died |
| 10:57.15 | Shirik | :( |
| 10:57.17 | Shirik | any info? |
| 10:57.26 | clad|sleep | Shirik: you were looking for LightHeaded, I guess? |
| 10:57.32 | Shirik | ah that's it |
| 10:57.44 | Shirik | impressive, is your bed at your office? |
| 10:57.45 | Nom- | ERROR #132 (0x85100084) Fatal Exception |
| 10:57.45 | Nom- | Program:Z:\mnt\f\Games\World of Warcraft\WoW.exe |
| 10:57.45 | Nom- | Exception:0xC0000005 (ACCESS_VIOLATION) at 0073:55470001 |
| 10:58.19 | clad|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:58.24 | Shirik | heh |
| 10:58.28 | clad|work | and 9.5 hour showers are excessive |
| 10:58.34 | Shirik | Nom- : Not sure if this is it, but try this: |
| 10:58.41 | Shirik | wine WoW.exe --opengl |
| 10:58.52 | Shirik | sorry |
| 10:58.53 | Shirik | one dash |
| 10:58.57 | Shirik | wine WoW.exe -opengl |
| 11:00.05 | Nom- | oooo |
| 11:00.09 | Nom- | opengl looks shite |
| 11:00.15 | Nom- | tearing left and right |
| 11:00.19 | Shirik | oops |
| 11:00.24 | Shirik | try... |
| 11:00.29 | Shirik | do a ... can you see the chat window? |
| 11:00.36 | Nom- | if it logs in i´ll turn off the sync thing |
| 11:00.44 | Shirik | yeah if that doesn't solve it |
| 11:01.01 | Shirik | actually no that better solve it because my answer won't work :P |
| 11:01.10 | Shirik | Here's a nice article though: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=120615 |
| 11:01.15 | Nom- | hmm vertical sync doesn make it much better |
| 11:01.23 | Shirik | I ignored "configuration and installation" |
| 11:02.00 | Shirik | so like the whole screen is tearing? |
| 11:02.08 | Shirik | not just like the UI? |
| 11:02.12 | Nom- | whole screen yeah |
| 11:02.22 | Nom- | I can see the chat frames no probs, but the world if just black |
| 11:02.31 | Shirik | awesome |
| 11:02.35 | Shirik | and by awesome I maen that sucks |
| 11:02.40 | Shirik | clad|work: Is that released yet? |
| 11:03.11 | Shirik | ah I see it's in beta |
| 11:03.15 | Shirik | I shall have to try this |
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| 11:06.04 | Nom- | awww gotta play with some settings in the WoW config? :( |
| 11:06.44 | krka | this is better: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WorldofWarcraft |
| 11:07.57 | Nom- | erk opengl rendering is teh suxor |
| 11:12.31 | Nom- | bugger, not using opengl makes it look all perfect right up to the loading screen |
| 11:12.37 | Nom- | then it bombs out at 100% on loading :( |
| 11:15.26 | krka | i had the same problem Nom- |
| 11:15.49 | krka | i think one of the modes had tearing, and the other had weird ass polygons |
| 11:16.05 | krka | everything looked spiky |
| 11:17.08 | Nom- | hmm i think i found the error on that page |
| 11:17.39 | Nom- | just gonna load again to see the error, i think its the one tho |
| 11:17.59 | Nom- | hmm its one of my addons |
| 11:18.06 | Nom- | it just loaded fine with 0 addons |
| 11:18.16 | clad|work | Shirik: Yes, its released, no its not 1.0 yet. |
| 11:18.20 | Nom- | the display looks way whacked, but it loaded |
| 11:18.37 | Shirik | I'll be having some fun with it :) |
| 11:18.53 | Nom- | ok full screen glow effects fixes that |
| 11:20.08 | Nom- | ok this is odd...it works on my level 14 shaman, but crashes on my level 70 pally :( |
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| 11:57.05 | Nom- | *sigh* trying cadega |
| 11:57.10 | Nom- | since wine is being a PITA |
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| 12:42.51 | Nom- | *sigh* |
| 12:43.01 | Nom- | Anyone know of any addons which are known to cause problems in Linux ? |
| 12:46.39 | krka | no |
| 12:48.48 | Kaso | whats up? |
| 12:50.00 | Nom- | No mods = fine |
| 12:50.09 | Nom- | Mods = Crash on Loading screen |
| 12:50.30 | Kaso | wierdass |
| 12:51.41 | Nom- | however |
| 12:51.46 | Nom- | no mods on level 14 shaman = fine |
| 12:51.47 | Kaso | the only lua functions i know that can crazh are the graphics functions |
| 12:52.09 | Nom- | i wonder if it's shattrath that does it |
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| 13:34.31 | Nom- | omg i found a use for Seal of Blood! |
| 13:34.49 | Nom- | There's spell immune mobs after Curator in Karazhan |
| 13:34.53 | Nom- | They're not immmune to SoB |
| 13:35.11 | krka | i wish i was immute to SoB s |
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| 13:41.33 | Kirkburn | krka, lol |
| 13:42.00 | Kirkburn | What do you do if you are a SoB though? |
| 13:42.24 | krka | most people don't realize they are SoB:s |
| 13:43.03 | Kirkburn | Aye, they're the worst kind of SoBs |
| 13:43.48 | krka | i for one am fully aware of it :) |
| 13:45.18 | JoshBorke | krka: that you're a SoB? |
| 13:45.25 | krka | yeah |
| 13:45.33 | JoshBorke | that's good |
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| 13:56.30 | Industrial | Nom-: i think haste had some addon that enables you to config opengl settgins for linux users. not sure |
| 13:56.51 | haste | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5202-ApplyToForehead.html |
| 13:56.54 | Industrial | ack didnt scroll down |
| 13:56.56 | Industrial | yeah that |
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| 14:43.23 | Beladona | anyone else finding it impossible to reach wowwiki? |
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| 14:43.51 | zenzelezz | seems so |
| 14:43.59 | zenzelezz | no, there it is; just very slow |
| 14:45.19 | Saeris | Anyone know how the author string appears when you receive a chat event from someone on another server? Is it the simple <name>-<server> that's actually displayed, or is that concatenated later? |
| 14:46.39 | Kaso | all i know is that UnitName returns the server as a second return |
| 14:47.22 | Kaso | not that thats really helpful |
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| 16:10.30 | TC_Working | ~moo |
| 16:10.34 | purl | mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/moo/ and http://www.riddleme.com/html/cow2.html |
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| 16:17.18 | TC_Working | "I AM THE WHALE PENIS OF SARCASIM!" |
| 16:31.47 | wereHamster | < Nom-> Mods = Crash on Loading screen - I remember there was a bug in one of wines functions that caused a crash.. |
| 16:32.47 | wereHamster | I don't think it was ever fixced, because only very special lua code triggered it |
| 16:35.32 | wereHamster | and regarding ApplyToForehead - I found why exactly WoW crashes, check wine bug 6900. Though everything indicates to an off-by-one bug in WoW.exe |
| 16:37.25 | Nom- | wierd |
| 16:37.47 | Nom- | I'm trying Cedega and a linux partition as soon as i get it going |
| 16:38.00 | Nom- | gotta remake a partition tho...no free space |
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| 16:39.19 | sioraiocht | hello |
| 16:39.28 | wereHamster | oh.. now I remember.. the lua crash was when lua had to parse a special string, "\???" where ??? was a special number.. or something like that |
| 16:40.11 | Shirik | interesting |
| 16:41.12 | Nom- | How wierd |
| 16:42.01 | Nom- | Probably newline |
| 16:42.01 | Nom- | That's be typical :P |
| 16:42.30 | wereHamster | nah.. something like sscanf() to a too short buffer (the buffer was big enough for a >100 digit number but that was still not enough for lua/WoW) |
| 16:43.00 | wereHamster | don't remember the details though.. |
| 16:43.18 | TC_Working | hello sioraiocht |
| 16:44.51 | Shirik | oooh that's bad |
| 16:45.03 | Shirik | I wonder if that could be exploited |
| 16:45.12 | Shirik | with a properly written lua script |
| 16:45.16 | Nom- | I just hope it works in Cedega |
| 16:46.11 | Nom- | How annoying... mkfs.ntfs writes all zeroes to the new partition |
| 16:46.15 | Nom- | takes eons to run |
| 16:49.17 | Shirik | I guess I'd have to know more details, but let's say \??? causes one too short of a buffer. Then \???\???\???\???\???\???\???\???\???\??? should cause 10 short. Continue so forth until you have enough to reach the stack, and you have a bit of a problem. |
| 16:50.16 | Nom- | It actually has a whinge because it's not allowed to read that memory block... |
| 16:50.19 | Nom- | That's the error basically |
| 16:50.29 | Nom- | And it works on a level 14 shaman i've got |
| 16:50.36 | Nom- | So it's the saved data files that are the problem |
| 16:50.50 | Shirik | Well thing is |
| 16:51.11 | haste | wereHamster: ATF is just a dirty hack to get it done there and then, and not having to switch to Direct3D just to test some settings :) |
| 16:51.27 | Shirik | buffer overflows typically cause a crash under "normal" conditions, because the code it then tries to read something that doesn't make any sense |
| 16:52.08 | Shirik | But, done correctly, you can, say, throw a nop sled in, avoiding a crash and allowing the exploiter to get where he wants to go |
| 16:52.16 | wereHamster | Shirik, the buffer was allocated on the stack (char buffer[??]), IMHO it would be possible to exploit it somehow |
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| 16:52.39 | Shirik | Is it a bug with WoW or wine? |
| 16:52.55 | Shirik | if it's the former, someone should let Blizzard know, even if it doesn't show up in Windows |
| 16:53.10 | wereHamster | I asked the wine developers it they'd be ok to allocate the buffer on the heap, but they said that the bug is so unlikely that it isn't worth fixing |
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| 16:53.24 | wereHamster | no, bug in wine |
| 16:53.32 | Shirik | ah, well that's a little better |
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| 16:56.41 | Nom- | I shall endeavour to find out which addon it is |
| 16:56.48 | Nom- | But I don't have much time...I should be in bed now lol |
| 16:56.54 | wereHamster | Shirik, ragrding 'bugs that don't affect windows', I can give you very detailed informations about the off-by-one bug in WoW (which will never happen on windows) - which functions are called, which arguments passed, even a pseudo C code that WoW.exe might use. You can try to make a bug report.. I'm too selfish to do that myself |
| 16:57.45 | Shirik | if you've already written it up I'll take a look at it; don't go writing anything up now though if you don't yet have it |
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| 17:14.05 | Nom- | Confirmed it's fixed in Cedega |
| 17:14.29 | Nom- | Although the speed in Cedega leaves a lot to be desired :( |
| 17:14.37 | Nom- | That might be the drive format that's in progress through |
| 17:14.39 | Nom- | *though |
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| 17:15.03 | Nom- | nite guys, going to get some sleep |
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| 17:16.52 | Shirik | night Nom- |
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| 17:20.18 | TC_Working | cogwheel|work, is your connection ok? |
| 17:20.49 | cogwheel|work | yep... sorry... just messing with xulrunner so i don't have to run FF to use ChatZilla |
| 17:22.03 | TC_Working | how is it running? |
| 17:22.10 | cogwheel|work | fine so far :) |
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| 17:35.10 | cogwheel|work | :O |
| 17:35.12 | cogwheel|work | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/6517137.stm |
| 17:39.43 | wereHamster | Shirik, I have all logs etc, but I didn't finish the description / detailed analysis. I started.. but then I thought.. what's the point? wine will sooner or later support multiple pixelformats which will 'fix' the bug.. so why should I bother trying to report that bug to blizzard? |
| 17:40.24 | Shirik | hm |
| 17:40.59 | Shirik | well if you want to send them to tg.skullshot@gmail.com be my guest :) |
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| 18:13.10 | zenzelezz | I can already notice the Flashpoint-effect that Armed Assault is producing in me |
| 18:13.21 | zenzelezz | a few more minutes and my nose will be inside my monitor |
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| 18:44.54 | cogwheel|work | ... |
| 18:44.55 | cogwheel|work | http://www.verse-studios.com/foolsgold.html |
| 18:55.42 | TC_Working | heh |
| 18:56.12 | TC_Working | Reviews |
| 18:56.13 | TC_Working | "...this can't be for real..." |
| 18:56.13 | TC_Working | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:56.13 | TC_Working | "Simplistic amateur adventure with horrible voice work." |
| 18:56.13 | TC_Working | "A real turd of a game." |
| 18:56.17 | TC_Working | "Clearly this is a joke. A really bad joke." |
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| 19:12.38 | JoshBorke | hola |
| 19:14.28 | Industrial | alog |
| 19:14.31 | Industrial | aloh |
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| 19:31.01 | Shirik | grrr |
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| 19:31.08 | Shirik | I hate it when I spend an hour fixing a bug |
| 19:31.12 | Shirik | only to find a stupid mistake |
| 19:31.32 | Calliee | lol been there, done that =P |
| 19:31.43 | Shirik | big difference between if (t == nil and t.isAlive()) and if (t == nil or t.isAlive()) |
| 19:32.02 | Calliee | lol yeah |
| 19:32.34 | Shirik | damn it |
| 19:32.37 | Shirik | that's not what I needed either |
| 19:32.44 | Shirik | and... if (t ~= nil and t.isAlive()) |
| 19:32.58 | Shirik | I need to go back to sleep |
| 19:34.52 | Calliee | my favorite to date was one where we were trying to put a series of querys into a database, and the original coder for some reason decided that, if we ever recived an unexpected result for our query, we'd dump everything we had already gathered but continue on as if nothing had happened |
| 19:35.21 | Calliee | took us a while to find that one |
| 19:36.02 | Shirik | haha |
| 19:36.04 | Shirik | wow |
| 19:52.15 | cogwheel|work | http://books.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/04/02/1441203 |
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| 20:20.13 | Esamynn | Antiarc|Work: ping |
| 20:20.28 | Antiarc|Work | Pong. |
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| 20:26.21 | Esamynn | so, your code that put's in the default for Tagging items in Sanity |
| 20:27.24 | Esamynn | you said I could remove the "Press CTRL-T to tag" line by clearing the binding, but when I do that, it comes back whenever I reload my UI :P |
| 20:38.44 | Industrial | jeez wowwiki slow? |
| 20:39.05 | AnduinLothar | Is crushing blow definitively 15% that can be pushed off by 100% deflection? I've heard rumors of a double-roll system |
| 20:39.48 | Shadowed | yes it can be pushed off |
| 20:40.42 | zenzelezz | I've never been sure myself, but I've heard other tanks say that with shield block up they're "immune" to crushing blows |
| 20:41.43 | Kaso| | blocks cannot be crits or crushes that is correct |
| 20:42.12 | Shadowed | When a mob attack you, it does a roll (I believe) the order is Miss -> Dodge -> Parry -> Block -> Crit/Crush, meaning when you put shield block up it pushes off the crit/crushing |
| 20:42.17 | zenzelezz | I assume it's the >=100% block chance they mean then |
| 20:42.40 | Shadowed | well, you have over 100% avoidance from parry/regular block chance/dodge/miss/shield block |
| 20:42.58 | sysrage | wtf is wrong with curse? |
| 20:43.03 | Shirik | Industrial: They're working on some stuff atm |
| 20:43.16 | Shadowed | same thing with worldofwar i'd imagine |
| 20:43.23 | sysrage | curse gaming slow too |
| 20:43.51 | Industrial | Shirik: ok |
| 20:43.52 | Shadowed | "It seems, the geniuses behind this site, have broken something. Let's hope they're working on fixing it right now.. either way, we're spamming them with a bunch of emails so they know they messed up. |
| 20:45.00 | Shirik | my understanding is they're performing an upgrade which requires execution of a huge sql script. Because of how busy the site is, the locks required for the transaction could take quite a while to obtain, and then while it's executing, everyone else gets locked out |
| 20:45.53 | TC_Working | anyone know offhand what tge "0" is in "Fa1/0/12"? |
| 20:46.01 | TC_Working | s/tge/the/ |
| 20:49.05 | zenzelezz | it might help if you mentioned where this string is from |
| 20:50.47 | TC_Working | Interface (IF) Fa1/0/12 on XXX.XXX.XXX.com |
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| 20:51.09 | TC_Working | first is "FastEthernet Blade 1" second is "Port 12" |
| 20:51.44 | TC_Working | s/second/thrid/ |
| 20:54.55 | cogwheel|work | haha |
| 20:54.56 | cogwheel|work | http://plasticbugs.com/?page_id=295 |
| 21:00.42 | sysrage | port 12 as in blade 12 or that 1 blade has 12 ports? |
| 21:01.01 | sysrage | if blade 12, the 0 is maybe the first interface? i.e. eth0 ? |
| 21:03.10 | TC_Working | hmmm.. |
| 21:03.13 | TC_Working | brb |
| 21:05.10 | TC_Working | i think it is blade 1 has 12 ports |
| 21:05.51 | TC_Working | since it is called "FastEthernet Blade 1" |
| 21:06.29 | TC_Working | unless it is Fa1 on blade 0 |
| 21:07.13 | pastamancer | Fa1 sounds like cisco |
| 21:07.23 | TC_Working | it is |
| 21:07.29 | Shirik | TC_Working: Everything I've read shows that that number doesn't change |
| 21:07.39 | Shirik | been googling it |
| 21:07.39 | TC_Working | well it's has to have some meaning |
| 21:07.46 | Shirik | future implementation? |
| 21:07.56 | pastamancer | in which case I'd guess Fa (bank 1, slot 0, port 12) |
| 21:08.10 | pastamancer | depending on the router of course |
| 21:09.05 | pastamancer | not sure what chasses you have |
| 21:09.15 | pastamancer | s/chasses/chassis/ |
| 21:10.35 | pastamancer | I haven't seen a cisco interface with two slashes before though |
| 21:10.57 | TC_Working | and there is never more than slot 0? because like Shirik i have never seen that # change |
| 21:11.27 | Shirik | everything I saw on google showed that number as zero, and that was a lot |
| 21:12.24 | TC_Working | well i can tell you it goes up to Fa1/0/48 |
| 21:12.48 | TC_Working | thats alot of ports if they are talking physical |
| 21:13.36 | pastamancer | is it one of the 37xx switches? |
| 21:14.21 | TC_Working | i dont know the model # |
| 21:14.56 | pastamancer | are the Gi interfaces on 1/1/1 and 1/1/2? |
| 21:15.22 | TC_Working | no "Gi3/0/4" |
| 21:15.59 | pastamancer | maybe it has to do with when they stack |
| 21:16.07 | pastamancer | if not, I have no idea |
| 21:16.28 | AnduinLothar | ooo, next month iTunes will offer EMI's catalogue DRM-free @ 256kbps for $1.29 per track |
| 21:16.31 | TC_Working | eh..well thanks for trying |
| 21:16.47 | AnduinLothar | go go DRM free |
| 21:18.23 | Calliee | 2 years |
| 21:18.51 | Calliee | I don't think the record companies can survive longer than that without making drastic changes |
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| 21:20.32 | ravagernl | does anyone know of a problem where the drag and dropping of spells to the actionbar doesn't work? |
| 21:20.49 | ravagernl | I cant for the life figure out why |
| 21:20.58 | ravagernl | I even disabled bartender3 |
| 21:21.01 | Calliee | did you lock your action bar? |
| 21:22.17 | zenzelezz | you can still drag spells to a locked bar, just not from |
| 21:22.23 | ravagernl | I actually unlocked it |
| 21:22.24 | zenzelezz | in default UI at least |
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| 21:22.45 | sysrage | can drag from a locked bar too if you hold shift :) |
| 21:22.47 | ravagernl | cant drag spells from my spellbook to my actiobar, even with bar mods off |
| 21:23.00 | ravagernl | dragging them off the bar is no problem |
| 21:23.08 | Calmcacil | where would one turn to get help with macro? |
| 21:23.10 | ravagernl | dragging them *onto* them is |
| 21:23.14 | Calliee | ok... try disableing all your mods |
| 21:23.52 | ravagernl | i did, still cant drag actions onto the bar |
| 21:24.19 | Calliee | ... |
| 21:24.43 | Calliee | sounds like something's borked in the base game install then |
| 21:25.47 | Calliee | try 1 more ting just to make certain all the mods are disabled, copy your interface\addons folder to your desktop then delete the original |
| 21:26.10 | Calliee | if that doesn't fix the problem, I think you need to reinstall WoW |
| 21:26.11 | ravagernl | ok going to try to clear out my wtf folder and addons |
| 21:26.11 | Calmcacil | could also try deleting the wtf folder >: |
| 21:26.17 | Calmcacil | and cache's |
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| 21:29.46 | ravagernl | lol game loads with lightning speed now :P |
| 21:29.59 | Calmcacil | :P |
| 21:30.02 | Calmcacil | so |
| 21:30.08 | Calmcacil | anyone know anything about macros? |
| 21:30.25 | Calliee | a little, what do you need? |
| 21:31.51 | ravagernl | still cant drag actions onto my bar ! |
| 21:32.32 | Calliee | you can't drag any at all then? |
| 21:32.39 | cogwheel|work | ravagernl: if deleting wtf & interface & cache didn't fix it then it's time to go to tech support |
| 21:32.59 | Shirik | where they'll tell you to delete the wtf and interface folders |
| 21:33.13 | Shirik | ravagernl: What happens when you try to? |
| 21:33.14 | ravagernl | which i just did. |
| 21:33.18 | Kirov | cache shouldn't have any effect |
| 21:33.29 | Kirov | ravagernl - You deleted both the interface and the wtf folder? |
| 21:33.34 | ravagernl | yes |
| 21:33.34 | cogwheel|work | "shouldn't" being the key word :P |
| 21:33.49 | Kirov | ravagernl - did you close WoW before you did so? |
| 21:34.01 | ravagernl | yes, ofc else savedvariables get written |
| 21:34.12 | Shirik | if you delete your C:\Windows folder, you won't see any more errors from WoW |
| 21:34.17 | Kirov | lol |
| 21:34.31 | ravagernl | hey shirik |
| 21:34.32 | Calliee | ~slap Shirik |
| 21:34.33 | purl | ACTION slaps Shirik, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 21:34.37 | Shirik | anyway... what happens when you try to drag down the action? |
| 21:34.40 | Calmcacil | /cast [nostance] Cat Form; [stance:1] Dire Bear Form; [stance:2] Aquatic Form; [stance:4] Travel Form; [stance:3,nostealth,nocombat] Prowl; [stance:3,stealth] Pounce; [stance:3,combat] Mangle (Cat) <-- doesnt work why :) |
| 21:34.45 | ravagernl | windows kkey + r > shutdown -s -t 0 |
| 21:35.37 | Shirik | ravagernl: what happens? |
| 21:35.51 | ravagernl | try it out |
| 21:35.54 | Shirik | .......... |
| 21:35.57 | Shirik | 17:34:47 ‹Shirik› anyway... what happens when you try to drag down the action? |
| 21:36.11 | ravagernl | oh lol |
| 21:36.15 | Shirik | I've asked it 3 times >< |
| 21:36.24 | ravagernl | well normally i would see the grid appear |
| 21:36.29 | ravagernl | but it doesnt right now |
| 21:36.40 | Shirik | and you currently are running with no addons |
| 21:36.54 | ravagernl | I guess ACTION_BAR_UPDATE just wont fire off or something |
| 21:36.56 | ravagernl | yes |
| 21:36.56 | Shirik | just out of curiosity to test if it's just a display issue, let's try this |
| 21:37.05 | Shirik | type /console SET UIFaster 0 |
| 21:37.09 | Shirik | followed by /console gxRestart |
| 21:37.11 | Calliee | Calmcacil: what part fails? the [stance:3,combat] part? |
| 21:37.49 | Shirik | [stance:3,combat] is redundant |
| 21:37.59 | Shirik | the only way it can get to that part is if you're in stance 3 with combat and unstealthed |
| 21:38.08 | cogwheel|work | You need to put () at the end |
| 21:38.13 | Shirik | and yeah |
| 21:38.16 | Shirik | the (Cat) is confusing the rank |
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| 21:38.39 | cogwheel|work | See http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=71623687&sid=1#1 |
| 21:38.42 | Calmcacil | oh |
| 21:38.45 | cogwheel|work | under "Notes about casting" |
| 21:38.47 | Calliee | what they said |
| 21:38.50 | Calmcacil | so it will work when i ad () :< |
| 21:38.55 | Calliee | it should |
| 21:39.01 | Shirik | if you're running out of characters, btw |
| 21:39.05 | Shirik | remove [stance:3,combat] |
| 21:39.16 | Calmcacil | still 44 chars left ;P |
| 21:39.21 | ravagernl | nope, i guess ill reinstall wow then |
| 21:39.22 | Shirik | ah, didn't bother to count :P |
| 21:39.33 | Shirik | ravagernl: that's next best thing :/ |
| 21:40.24 | Calmcacil | too bad it cant count combo points tho :< |
| 21:40.43 | Calmcacil | that would pwn <: |
| 21:40.51 | Calliee | agreed |
| 21:41.27 | Shirik | let's say |
| 21:41.46 | Shirik | (hypothetically... let's not talk about feasability here) |
| 21:41.49 | cogwheel|work | ravagernl: try the repair tool first... |
| 21:41.56 | cogwheel|work | (less drastic measure) |
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| 21:42.20 | Shirik | I wrote a mod that analyzed any situation and highlighted the recommended action in yellow on your action bar |
| 21:42.25 | Shirik | and it worked in any circumstances |
| 21:42.29 | ravagernl | bah, the only thing that does is rename the interface and wtf folder and check if files exist |
| 21:42.32 | Shirik | would blizzard like that? |
| 21:42.42 | ravagernl | I wanna start over clean |
| 21:43.25 | Shirik | thinking about devising a way to write bossmods that not only handle timers, but also actions |
| 21:43.29 | cogwheel|work | I've never understood how people mess up their wow installations >< |
| 21:43.31 | zenzelezz | Shirik: I don't see why they'd object as long as all it does is suggest |
| 21:43.41 | Shirik | it really can't do anything beyond suggesting |
| 21:43.45 | cogwheel|work | I've been playing for nearly 2 years on the same installation |
| 21:43.56 | Calliee | yeah, the user still has to make the choice to agree with the suggestion |
| 21:44.11 | Shirik | it was suggested for RDX a long time ago |
| 21:44.26 | Shirik | when people on our server were complaining about how it does too much work for the user and plays the game for you |
| 21:44.49 | Shirik | so someone got cynical and said "Well what if RDX adjusted your action bars based on a situation, and puts the most recommended action keybound to button 1" |
| 21:44.53 | Shirik | (before 2.0) |
| 21:46.38 | Calliee | I guess I see it a bit like Auctioneer |
| 21:47.06 | Calliee | Auctioneer suggests a price, but it's still up to the user to choose to use that price |
| 21:52.45 | ravagernl | thats just stupid, reminds me of autorogue |
| 21:54.59 | Shirik | Nom- are you here? |
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| 21:59.17 | Calmcacil | astill doesnt work |
| 21:59.21 | Calmcacil | (macro that is |
| 21:59.30 | Shirik | can you post again what you have? |
| 21:59.50 | Calmcacil | /cast [nostance] Cat Form; [stance:1] Dire Bear Form; [stance:2] Aquatic Form; [stance:4] Travel Form; [stance:3,nostealth,nocombat] Prowl; [stance:3,stealth] Pounce; [stance:3,combat] Mangle (Cat) () |
| 22:00.08 | Calliee | no space |
| 22:00.32 | Shirik | describe in words what you want it to do |
| 22:00.49 | Calliee | ./cast [nostance] Cat Form; [stance:1] Dire Bear Form; [stance:2] Aquatic Form; [stance:4] Travel Form; [stance:3,nostealth,nocombat] Prowl; [stance:3,stealth] Pounce; [stance:3,combat] Mangle (Cat)() |
| 22:01.00 | Shirik | yeah I mean, in english |
| 22:01.09 | Calmcacil | works >: |
| 22:01.29 | Calmcacil | space button sucks :( |
| 22:01.31 | Shirik | oh that was a different person >< |
| 22:01.40 | Shirik | your names are too similar! |
| 22:01.45 | Calliee | lol sorry =P |
| 22:01.46 | cogwheel|work | It cancels whatever form he's in, goes into cat form, and then picks prowl, pounce, or mangle depending on combat |
| 22:02.03 | Shirik | yeah I wanted him to say it because maybe he wrote something other than what he intended :P |
| 22:02.32 | Calmcacil | thanks alot |
| 22:02.35 | cogwheel|work | it'll be a hell of a lot simpler in 2.1 with the /cancelform command :) |
| 22:02.44 | Shadowed | Couldn't you just use cancelbuff |
| 22:02.47 | Shirik | can't you do it with /cancelaura? |
| 22:02.57 | Calmcacil | why should i it works >: |
| 22:02.58 | cogwheel|work | that works the same way as /cast since it's a toggle |
| 22:03.01 | Shirik | just saying |
| 22:03.01 | Calmcacil | if it works dont f*** with it :D |
| 22:03.06 | Shirik | mmm |
| 22:03.11 | Shirik | I strongly disagree with that theory, but yeah |
| 22:03.14 | Shirik | I wouldn't touch it now ;) |
| 22:03.14 | Shadowed | was seeing why cancelform is special mainly :p |
| 22:03.36 | Calmcacil | i've used that macro since 2.0 came |
| 22:03.44 | cogwheel|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:03.58 | Shirik | aye, /cancelform would eliminate the need of about 5 /cancelaura statements |
| 22:04.22 | Shadowed | including auras, or just druid/rogue forms? |
| 22:04.28 | Shirik | bye european guys! |
| 22:04.33 | cogwheel|work | auras aren't stances |
| 22:04.33 | Shirik | this should be fun |
| 22:04.46 | Shirik | oh it doesn't work? |
| 22:04.57 | Shirik | oh |
| 22:05.00 | Shirik | read that backwards |
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| 22:15.48 | Shirik | I spoke too soon... |
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| 22:15.55 | wereHamster | cogwheel|work, I am, why? |
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| 22:16.02 | cogwheel|work | i just thought it was weird that I was still connected with you... |
| 22:16.02 | Shirik | cogwheel|work aren't you in US? |
| 22:16.03 | Shadowed | Doesn't mean they can't be connected to the EU one |
| 22:16.03 | Corrodias | i have connected |
| 22:16.03 | Corrodias | to THE INTERNET |
| 22:16.04 | Shirik | welcome to teh internats! |
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| 22:17.38 | cogwheel|work | yep i am |
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| 22:21.28 | TC_Working | wino...thats why |
| 22:21.28 | TC_Working | wineo* |
| 22:21.28 | TC_Working | ....soemthing like that |
| 22:21.28 | TC_Working | something* |
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| 22:40.29 | Corrodias | i've accumulated 3 days on my bank alt |
| 22:41.16 | cogwheel|work | Meh... my wife probably has 3 weeks on hers... |
| 22:42.59 | Bleeter | coz I suffer from altitis, I shudder to think :/ |
| 22:44.06 | zenzelezz | alts... virtual split personality disorder |
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| 23:08.34 | Calliee | 41 days on mine |
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| 23:50.58 | Shirik | hihi ^^ |
| 23:51.00 | AnduinLothar | wb |
| 23:51.11 | zenzelezz | ahoy |
| 23:52.06 | Cairenn | in case I haven't mentioned it, car accidents suck |
| 23:53.09 | Cairenn | this spending half my days in physio again really blows |
| 23:53.51 | Bleeter | bummer |
| 23:53.55 | Bleeter | purl, hug Cairenn |
| 23:54.06 | purl | ACTION sneaks up on Cairenn and suddenly hugs Cairenn tightly |
| 23:54.38 | zenzelezz | look what you did |
| 23:54.38 | AnduinLothar | pzowned |
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| 23:55.30 | Cairenn | and gaim crashes .... |
| 23:55.41 | Bleeter | piece of junk that thing |
| 23:55.51 | Shirik | lol |
| 23:55.54 | Cairenn | anyway, how is everyone? I feel completely out of touch with what all has been going on with the community for the last month |
| 23:56.01 | Shirik | :( |
| 23:56.09 | Cairenn | I hate being out of touch |
| 23:56.12 | Bleeter | not so outta touch now! :P |
| 23:56.13 | Shirik | You should take care ... haha |
| 23:56.18 | Cairenn | ROFL |
| 23:56.23 | Shirik | you should take care of yourself before worrying about that |
| 23:56.40 | AnduinLothar | i'm sure there's a few unoppossed to touching |
| 23:56.50 | Cairenn | who's worrying, I just miss everyone |
| 23:57.11 | TC_Working | well....not *everyone* i'm sure |
| 23:57.20 | Cairenn | lol |
| 23:58.21 | TC_Working | i stoped using gaim for my IM....didnt do what i wanted |
| 23:58.54 | TC_Working | so far i have done Trillian --> Gaim --> Miranda IM is what i am currently on |
| 23:59.04 | zenzelezz | and what is it you want them to do? |
| 23:59.07 | Cairenn | Miranda IM? |
| 23:59.09 | TC_Working | work |
| 23:59.24 | Shirik | I love trillian |
| 23:59.28 | zenzelezz | well that's a stupid short remark, considering thousands use those without problems |
| 23:59.43 | zenzelezz | if you on the other hand mentioned how or why they didn't work for you... |
| 23:59.51 | TC_Working | miranda is in here Cairenn http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_instant_messaging_clients |
