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| 00:45.49 | Industrial | hit chick http://www.hotornot.com/r/?eid=BSKQHEN&key=BSK |
| 00:46.20 | bleetah | fiolent? |
| 00:47.46 | Industrial | violent? |
| 00:48.00 | bleetah | hit |
| 00:48.14 | Industrial | na |
| 00:50.38 | bleeter | wobin: http://whirlpool.net.au/ (and all other aussies) |
| 00:52.18 | Industrial | no wai |
| 00:52.26 | Industrial | thats.. |
| 00:52.29 | Industrial | horrible oh my god :o |
| 00:52.57 | zenzelezz | you forgetting the date? |
| 00:53.19 | Industrial | :| |
| 00:53.40 | zenzelezz | my ISP a few years ago said they were cracking down on porn |
| 00:53.44 | zenzelezz | scared some of my friends |
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| 01:19.02 | wobin | omg wtf |
| 01:19.05 | wobin | wtfwtf? |
| 01:19.32 | JoshBorke | wtf what? |
| 01:19.42 | wobin | http://whirlpool.net.au/ |
| 01:19.47 | wobin | the fucking bastards |
| 01:19.58 | zenzelezz | don't trust anything today wobin |
| 01:20.00 | JoshBorke | yea, sorry w obin |
| 01:20.02 | JoshBorke | you're pwned |
| 01:20.06 | wobin | It's true |
| 01:20.10 | JoshBorke | good thing you're moving, right? |
| 01:20.14 | wobin | Why do I need adsl 2+ now? |
| 01:20.24 | wobin | Yeah, but I'm not moving out of the country =P |
| 01:20.27 | zenzelezz | I don't believe anything posted today |
| 01:20.32 | wobin | oh =P |
| 01:20.33 | JoshBorke | :-P |
| 01:20.40 | wobin | it's april already =P |
| 01:20.51 | wobin | I so didn't realise =) |
| 01:20.51 | zenzelezz | the article didn't ring a bell? |
| 01:20.57 | JoshBorke | rofl |
| 01:20.59 | wobin | did they try that last year? |
| 01:21.05 | JoshBorke | click on the Catch ISP's with their pants down |
| 01:21.22 | wobin | The requested URL could not be loaded because it's April Fools. |
| 01:21.24 | wobin | hehe =) |
| 01:21.36 | JoshBorke | they need to add: "you dope" |
| 01:21.47 | wobin | they got a cool 'HAHAHA' though |
| 01:26.01 | wobin | hm |
| 01:26.03 | wobin | iinet |
| 01:26.06 | wobin | or netspace |
| 01:26.58 | bleeter | wobin: you shoulda clicked the DCITA press release linked at the bottom of that story ;) |
| 01:27.08 | bleeter | oh, you did.. eventually :P |
| 01:28.32 | wobin | hm |
| 01:28.35 | wobin | bizzare |
| 01:29.07 | wobin | with netspace, the Home2+ 40 plan is 20 on 20 off, for $70 |
| 01:29.27 | wobin | but the SOHO 2+ is 20 all together for $80 |
| 01:31.40 | bleeter | meh, all broadband in australia is mad+crap |
| 01:31.50 | wobin | It's true |
| 01:31.54 | wobin | It's like our elections |
| 01:32.00 | wobin | "Lesser of the two evils" |
| 01:32.21 | bleeter | what are we.. 7th highest take up rate in the OECD, 25th in network ability or something |
| 01:32.40 | wobin | it's abysmal |
| 01:32.49 | wobin | Hey, it's a good thing they're blocking P2P! =) |
| 01:32.58 | wobin | Might make us smarten up quick smart! |
| 01:33.27 | wobin | hehe |
| 01:33.35 | wobin | I like the permanent "0 Comments" |
| 01:33.46 | wobin | so everyone thinks that they're "FRIST POST" |
| 01:36.12 | wobin | Damnit |
| 01:36.27 | wobin | It's so hard to source adsl2+ availability without a phone number in place |
| 01:36.37 | wobin | iiNet is the only one so far that takes a physical address |
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| 01:48.44 | Corrodias | hay i'm back |
| 01:48.50 | zenzelezz | doh |
| 01:48.59 | Corrodias | with a new address and everything! |
| 01:49.05 | zenzelezz | grats |
| 01:49.15 | Shirik | Yey! |
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| 01:58.51 | Corrodias | I HAVE CONTRIBUTED! |
| 01:59.22 | Corrodias | in the "uploaded" column in the allakhazam uploader, i have 1 for "creatures" and 5 for "lua data" |
| 01:59.39 | Shirik | -_- |
| 01:59.54 | Corrodias | 5000 items all went to "old" |
| 02:00.01 | Shirik | lol |
| 02:06.19 | Corrodias | jesus christ this new dsl is fast |
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| 02:15.23 | JoshBork1 | i hate when my connection goes to shit |
| 02:15.42 | Shirik | ~hug JoshBork1 |
| 02:15.53 | purl | ACTION gets a running start and tackle-hugs JoshBork1 |
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| 02:21.24 | wobin | wow |
| 02:21.26 | wobin | http://ursulav.livejournal.com/604780.html |
| 02:21.30 | wobin | I <3 Ursula |
| 02:23.13 | Corrodias | my connection just went to unshit |
| 02:23.23 | Corrodias | i have as much upstream with this new isp as i had downstream with my old one :o |
| 02:25.12 | wobin | ... |
| 02:25.19 | wobin | This is a good thing? Isn't it? |
| 02:31.32 | Corrodias | yes |
| 02:31.38 | Corrodias | it's an ass kicking thing |
| 02:31.58 | Shirik | seed for me kthx |
| 02:32.24 | Corrodias | i have lots of porn and some star trek |
| 02:32.27 | Corrodias | that's just about it |
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| 02:40.11 | wobin | star trek porn? |
| 02:40.19 | Shirik | dude, 7 of 9 man |
| 02:40.54 | Elessdy | helps if i install the dsl filter on the phone |
| 02:40.56 | Elessdy | duh |
| 02:41.03 | Shirik | oops |
| 02:44.19 | Corrodias | this connection operates a little differently from how the one at old-home did |
| 02:45.20 | JoshBork1 | quick! hide |
| 02:46.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | dammit kirkburn isn't here :[ |
| 02:47.04 | JoshBork1 | cladhaire: i can't store ... inside a table, can i? |
| 02:47.13 | JoshBork1 | without putting it within a table |
| 02:47.28 | cladhaire | not without making a table somewhere. |
| 02:47.34 | JoshBork1 | blech |
| 02:50.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | i wonder when blizz's april fool's thing is gonna roll out |
| 02:50.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | lazy bastards don't work weekends |
| 02:50.28 | Shirik | huh? |
| 02:50.39 | Shirik | store ... inside a table without putting it in a table? |
| 02:50.46 | cladhaire | the question didn't make sense |
| 02:50.50 | cladhaire | but the answer still applies =) |
| 02:50.53 | Shirik | heh |
| 02:51.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'll store your mom in a table |
| 02:51.09 | JoshBork1 | i want to cache the results from GetItemInfo |
| 02:51.38 | Shirik | well, technically you don't have to use ... for that, since you know how many parameters will come out |
| 02:51.40 | cladhaire | so pass them to a function, and store them as local variables somewhere |
| 02:51.43 | cladhaire | yeah, |
| 02:51.47 | cladhaire | that's also true |
| 02:52.15 | Shirik | you could make one table and store them all in there, though I don't know of how efficient that would be |
| 02:52.33 | Shirik | assuming there's 10 returns from GetItemInfo, then tbl[10*i] will get you the ith result |
| 02:52.42 | Shirik | um |
| 02:52.47 | Shirik | tbl[10*i + 1] |
| 03:25.35 | JoshBork1 | anybody know the link to lua upvalues and stuff (totorial wise) |
| 03:26.33 | cladhaire | there aren't any |
| 03:26.38 | cladhaire | its just full lexical scoping. |
| 03:26.42 | cladhaire | what do you want/need to know? |
| 03:26.53 | JoshBork1 | perhaps i'm looking for function closures |
| 03:27.16 | JoshBork1 | i'm gonna read, i'll get back to you :_) |
| 03:27.19 | cladhaire | same deal |
| 03:27.26 | Shirik | There is a link to upvalues |
| 03:27.30 | Shirik | but it's nowhere near explanatory |
| 03:27.34 | Shirik | I tried it a while ago |
| 03:28.08 | Shirik | http://www.lua.org/pil/27.3.3.html |
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| 03:28.34 | Shirik | though... I guess that's the C side :/ |
| 03:28.38 | cladhaire | like i said tho, they're easy |
| 03:28.41 | cladhaire | what do you need to know? |
| 03:29.25 | JoshBork1 | hm |
| 03:30.07 | cladhaire | you dont even need to know the word upvalue |
| 03:30.13 | cladhaire | with full lexical scoping |
| 03:30.19 | cladhaire | just know that you can access any variables in your scope |
| 03:30.35 | JoshBork1 | i really need to reinstall tinypad |
| 03:30.50 | cladhaire | I can give you any example you need, seriously =) |
| 03:31.08 | JoshBork1 | cladhaire: i know, but there's nothing like figuring something out yourself :-D |
| 03:31.13 | cladhaire | fair enough |
| 03:31.15 | cladhaire | *shrug* |
| 03:31.25 | JoshBork1 | i'm trying to make that table i asked about earlier |
| 03:31.36 | stavmar | does anyone know what the respawn time is for mobs after the curator? |
| 03:31.36 | cladhaire | k |
| 03:31.44 | JoshBork1 | because i'm really disappointed with the speed (or lack there of) of my table sort function |
| 03:32.03 | cladhaire | k |
| 03:32.09 | Shirik | Josh, did you try what I said? |
| 03:32.19 | cladhaire | well, local x,y,z function foo() return x + y + z end |
| 03:32.21 | cladhaire | those are upvalues. |
| 03:32.21 | JoshBork1 | Shirik: no, but i might |
| 03:32.23 | Shirik | It works the same way DirectX creates vertex buffers |
| 03:32.40 | Shirik | while it's a 3 dimensional array, it puts it into a one dimensional array |
| 03:32.51 | Shirik | er, rather 4 dimensional |
| 03:32.53 | Shirik | whatever |
| 03:33.17 | Shirik | I have no idea what the speed would be like |
| 03:33.23 | Shirik | but I guess it would be the next thing I'd try |
| 03:35.29 | cladhaire | local upvalues are really the fastest you can get |
| 03:39.33 | cladhaire | ~seen Cairenn |
| 03:39.59 | purl | cairenn <n=Karen@MMOI/Administratrix/Cairenn> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 4h 53m 36s ago, saying: '(or taken a look at the calendar)'. |
| 03:41.53 | JoshBork1 | ok, cool, so that works, thanks cladhaire |
| 03:41.58 | JoshBork1 | now to see how well it works |
| 03:41.59 | cladhaire | np |
| 03:42.48 | JoshBork1 | it's different than i thought it would be, but it's all good |
| 03:46.14 | JoshBork1 | HOLY SHIT |
| 03:46.35 | JoshBork1 | i cannot believe the speed increase |
| 03:47.56 | JoshBork1 | wow, functions use a lot of memory |
| 03:48.48 | JoshBork1 | far more than tables do. 9 MBs to memorize 12k items |
| 04:01.36 | cladhaire | well |
| 04:01.39 | cladhaire | that's not entirely true. |
| 04:01.54 | cladhaire | closures with upvalues are typically cheaper than tables. |
| 04:02.23 | cladhaire | without knowing _what_ you're trying to do I can't do muh more |
| 04:05.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.wowhead.com/?news |
| 04:05.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | like gasp and stuff i totally did not expect that |
| 04:06.44 | cladhaire | lol |
| 04:06.55 | cladhaire | JoshBork1: Care to clue me in? |
| 04:07.12 | JoshBork1 | sure :-) |
| 04:07.21 | JoshBork1 | i'll pastey the table i made |
| 04:08.20 | JoshBork1 | well, background i guess |
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| 04:08.53 | JoshBork1 | i'm working on an item search mod ala lootlink, elkano's itemdb etc that will just use the GetItemInfo items, no active scanning of people |
| 04:09.10 | cladhaire | ok |
| 04:09.24 | cladhaire | storing tooltips? |
| 04:09.42 | JoshBork1 | no, just the base info from GetItemInfo |
| 04:09.59 | cladhaire | and Ludwig doesn't serve your needs? |
| 04:10.02 | cladhaire | anyway, continue =) |
| 04:10.15 | JoshBork1 | hey, i'm just doing it because it's new and i wanted to give it a try :-P |
| 04:10.19 | cladhaire | np |
| 04:10.24 | JoshBork1 | i'm sure ludwig would suit me just ifne :-) |
| 04:10.24 | cladhaire | i'm down with that |
| 04:10.41 | JoshBork1 | my current search takes a long time |
| 04:10.46 | cladhaire | i'm all for storing absurd amounts of data |
| 04:11.06 | JoshBork1 | ala 7 seconds to sort all the items |
| 04:11.16 | cladhaire | well, sort, or search? |
| 04:11.31 | JoshBork1 | sort |
| 04:11.35 | JoshBork1 | searching is quick and easy |
| 04:11.55 | cladhaire | well you said search |
| 04:11.58 | cladhaire | which is why i ask =) |
| 04:12.10 | JoshBork1 | yea, but you want to sort what you search too :-) |
| 04:12.33 | cladhaire | ok |
| 04:12.51 | JoshBork1 | so anyway, searching is easy, i populate a table of all the items i found that match the parameter |
| 04:13.09 | cladhaire | ok |
| 04:13.14 | JoshBork1 | the user can then initiate a sort based on 3 different fields, name, ilvl, type |
| 04:13.53 | JoshBork1 | but the fields aren't really relevant |
| 04:14.01 | cladhaire | aye |
| 04:14.13 | JoshBork1 | so, i'll pastey the two codes i have |
| 04:14.46 | cladhaire | ok |
| 04:15.23 | JoshBork1 | the codes messy and has timing stuff in it so um, yea |
| 04:15.31 | cladhaire | i can ignore nasty |
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| 04:16.26 | JoshBork1 | http://wowi.pastey.net/9924 |
| 04:17.00 | JoshBork1 | you'll see the table i use to cache the returns from GetItemInfo (courtesy of you :-D) and 2 functions. the first function uses the cache'd results |
| 04:17.08 | JoshBork1 | the second function calls GetItemInfo all the time |
| 04:17.41 | cladhaire | and whats the _issue_ you're having? |
| 04:17.55 | JoshBork1 | the first function uses 9MB (well the table does) |
| 04:18.08 | JoshBork1 | which, imo, is unacceptable |
| 04:18.21 | cladhaire | well ic an fix that |
| 04:18.25 | cladhaire | in like two seconds, please wait. |
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| 04:18.29 | JoshBork1 | woohoo! |
| 04:18.31 | JoshBork1 | <3 cladhaire |
| 04:18.48 | Kaelten-Laptop | I know clad's smart but what did he do this time? |
| 04:19.03 | JoshBork1 | he said he could fix the 9mb problem in like two seconds |
| 04:20.37 | JoshBork1 | http://wowi.pastey.net/9924 is the code kaelten |
| 04:20.42 | JoshBork1 | so you can try to beat him to the solution |
| 04:21.38 | cladhaire | *ponder* |
| 04:22.16 | cladhaire | try this.. it doesn't cache.. but i suspect its faster than what you have |
| 04:22.19 | cladhaire | and i'll try to work out caching. |
| 04:22.22 | cladhaire | http://wowi.pastey.net/9926 |
| 04:22.24 | JoshBork1 | max comparisons so far: 644195 |
| 04:23.55 | cladhaire | you'll need to adjust your mySort logic. |
| 04:24.06 | cladhaire | but honestly try it without caching |
| 04:24.08 | cladhaire | first =) |
| 04:24.52 | cladhaire | you have a few options, create tables, create closures, or create strings |
| 04:24.54 | cladhaire | if you want to be able to cache.l |
| 04:25.32 | JoshBork1 | oops, don't redefine type |
| 04:25.45 | cladhaire | then re-name it =) |
| 04:25.48 | cladhaire | i just copied your code, |
| 04:25.53 | JoshBork1 | i know, i did :-) |
| 04:26.13 | JoshBork1 | it was more of a self reminder |
| 04:26.25 | Shirik | :( |
| 04:26.25 | JoshBork1 | found out someone on my server has atiesh :-D |
| 04:26.30 | Shirik | ywhoops |
| 04:26.47 | cladhaire | are you sure that caching is an issue? |
| 04:26.53 | cladhaire | i.e. did you try something fast without caching? |
| 04:26.59 | cladhaire | or did you pre-optimize? |
| 04:27.08 | JoshBork1 | cladhaire: what do you mean? |
| 04:27.16 | sioraiocht | cladhaire: ping |
| 04:27.25 | JoshBork1 | the second mysort function is my 'fastest' sort i could come up with |
| 04:28.02 | cladhaire | Did you try a basic function that does two GetItemInfo() calls? |
| 04:28.10 | cladhaire | and compares the values between the two |
| 04:28.14 | cladhaire | and profile/test that? |
| 04:28.27 | cladhaire | I suspect the client is being intelligent about caching data, and it would be close to the fastest solution. |
| 04:28.30 | cladhaire | or at least a decent baseline. |
| 04:28.47 | cladhaire | no caching, no tables, no upvalues, just a simple comparison between two GetItemInfo() return setsl |
| 04:29.21 | JoshBork1 | i haven't checked how fast GetItemInfo was, it was going to be my next step |
| 04:29.28 | cladhaire | that shoudl have been your baseline =) |
| 04:29.39 | cladhaire | don't optimize before you know _what_ and _why_ you're optimizing.. and even then, don't do it |
| 04:30.57 | cladhaire | not to be cliche |
| 04:32.15 | JoshBork1 | ok, so, for i =1, 40000 do GetItemInfo(i) end takes 173 ms |
| 04:32.28 | cladhaire | that doesn't tell you anything |
| 04:32.30 | JoshBork1 | using the caching table that created functions, it takes 60 ms |
| 04:32.40 | cladhaire | you just parsed 400,000 different items. |
| 04:32.46 | cladhaire | as opposed to the same set of items multiple times. |
| 04:32.54 | cladhaire | your functions will always be the fastest |
| 04:33.01 | JoshBork1 | yea, i see what you're saying |
| 04:33.04 | cladhaire | but you pay a memory penalty. |
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| 04:34.45 | cladhaire | there's nothing to stop you from creating a limited cache as well, with values in the table |
| 04:34.49 | cladhaire | which limits the memory penalty |
| 04:34.54 | cladhaire | and for the average case would perform well |
| 04:35.57 | JoshBork1 | using just a straight: function _mySort(item1, item2) name = GetItemInfo(item1), name2 = GetItemInfo(item2) return name > name2 end takes half as long as my 'fastest' non-caching sort |
| 04:36.17 | cladhaire | which is how long? |
| 04:36.37 | JoshBork1 | 3.67 seconds |
| 04:36.45 | cladhaire | for how many items? |
| 04:36.51 | JoshBork1 | 12262 |
| 04:37.00 | cladhaire | so put it in a coroutine and you're done |
| 04:37.08 | JoshBork1 | the avg comparison time of 0.024 |
| 04:38.05 | JoshBork1 | that's what kaelten said also, but neither of us knew how to use a coroutine |
| 04:38.16 | cladhaire | okay, its very easy. |
| 04:38.51 | cladhaire | but it won't work |
| 04:38.52 | cladhaire | ponder. |
| 04:38.59 | JoshBork1 | lol, that's what i tohught too |
| 04:39.03 | JoshBork1 | since it's being passed into table.sort |
| 04:39.18 | cladhaire | yeah can't yield across a c function |
| 04:40.00 | FlAWD | r0x0r |
| 04:40.06 | cladhaire | I would use a limited table cache, or a limited closure cache. |
| 04:40.18 | cladhaire | but i feel the code could be cleaned up a bit for thaqt |
| 04:40.24 | JoshBork1 | 7 seconds isn't too long imo |
| 04:40.35 | JoshBork1 | for me personally i'm going to sacrifice the space, since i can |
| 04:40.57 | cladhaire | well woudln't it be 3.67? |
| 04:41.00 | cladhaire | using the one you just tested |
| 04:41.23 | JoshBork1 | no, because that only tested one parameter, i need to maek it more flexible, one sec |
| 04:41.35 | cladhaire | it won't take any longer |
| 04:42.49 | cladhaire | s/any/much |
| 04:43.10 | cladhaire | the answer is to honestly, when the user goes to sort 1500+ items, pop up a dialog telling them that it may take a while, and ask if they really want to do it. |
| 04:47.19 | JoshBork1 | yea |
| 04:48.03 | cladhaire | or write a sort function of yourown, that can use coroutines. |
| 04:49.12 | JoshBork1 | i got one to 5 seconds, i cache the immediate results of GetItemInfo to check multiple fields |
| 04:49.27 | cladhaire | .. cache how? |
| 04:50.02 | Kaelten-Laptop | ok now I've caught up with the convo |
| 04:50.18 | cladhaire | gz |
| 04:50.37 | JoshBork1 | sorry, not really |
| 04:50.39 | JoshBork1 | you'll see |
| 04:50.57 | JoshBork1 | http://wowi.pastey.net/9927 |
| 04:51.25 | cladhaire | whoa whoa |
| 04:51.37 | cladhaire | why are you using getitem1, when you already have them local to that function? |
| 04:51.38 | cladhaire | that makes no sense. |
| 04:52.04 | Kaelten-Laptop | in my experiance GetItemInfo is incrediably cheap |
| 04:52.09 | cladhaire | yes |
| 04:52.13 | cladhaire | thats my whole point |
| 04:52.28 | cladhaire | JoshBork1: you don't need that, you need to change your sorting precedence logic |
| 04:52.35 | cladhaire | and you'd see improvement |
| 04:53.01 | cladhaire | a series of comparisons would be much faster than what you have |
| 04:54.50 | cladhaire | http://wowi.pastey.net/9928 |
| 04:54.50 | cladhaire | etc. |
| 04:55.03 | Kaelten-Laptop | JoshBork1: instead if the ifs you have you can just do return stat1 > stat2 |
| 04:55.37 | Garoun|Loupana | what was that testraid stuff I saw in praid, clad when I was doing your fix for mana bars? :) |
| 04:55.52 | cladhaire | Garoun|Loupana: that was decades ago |
| 04:55.58 | cladhaire | it was a raid simulator |
| 04:56.12 | JoshBork1 | cladhaire: i'd have to select between multiple sort functions to change what things are sorted by, which is a possibility |
| 04:56.29 | JoshBork1 | Kaelten-Laptop: what about when a field is the same in both items? that wouldn't check the next field |
| 04:56.48 | Kaelten-Laptop | do what clad did in the last example |
| 04:57.05 | cladhaire | you're wasting a lot of time with the calls to select, and to your getiteminfo functions |
| 04:57.07 | cladhaire | that isn't necessary |
| 04:57.09 | Garoun|Loupana | ah ok, it must have been left over from when I updated to the beta or something:) |
| 04:58.03 | cladhaire | JoshBork1: if you want a _fast_ sorting function, you need to code the special logic yourself, rather than automate it. |
| 04:58.35 | Kaelten-Laptop | fast and flexible is a hard thing to mix sadly |
| 04:58.56 | cladhaire | you can have flexibility |
| 04:59.03 | cladhaire | it just has to be coded rigidly |
| 04:59.06 | JoshBork1 | perhaps i'll create 3 functions for the fields they can sort by when just clicking on a header, but leave a slow flexible one for advanced search |
| 04:59.22 | Kaelten-Laptop | JoshBork1: really shouldn't be an issue |
| 04:59.27 | cladhaire | JoshBork1: No, damnit. |
| 04:59.30 | Kaelten-Laptop | it looks like we're just going to have a longer function |
| 04:59.31 | cladhaire | just code the sort function |
| 04:59.34 | cladhaire | =) |
| 04:59.42 | cladhaire | the only "Trick" you have to worry about is reverse |
| 05:00.13 | Kaelten-Laptop | cladhaire: do you think we should use table.sort or just write a sort function from scratch? |
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| 05:00.20 | cladhaire | use table.sort |
| 05:00.25 | cladhaire | just hand code the sort logic. |
| 05:00.28 | Kaelten-Laptop | even in kci I used table.sort just used it as part of a three table sort |
| 05:00.48 | cladhaire | you can't use ... to automate the testing process, and have it be the fastest possible. |
| 05:01.00 | cladhaire | the speed gain won't be monumental |
| 05:01.04 | cladhaire | but it'd work |
| 05:01.15 | cladhaire | i gots to head to bed now |
| 05:01.22 | clad|sleep | night all |
| 05:01.25 | JoshBork1 | but i don't always know the sort priority |
| 05:01.26 | JoshBork1 | night clad|sleep |
| 05:02.39 | JoshBork1 | Kaelten-Laptop: just fyi, the wrong function i wrote that makes a copy of GetItemInfo's results is faster than select'ing straight from GetItemInfo |
| 05:02.57 | JoshBork1 | by 2 seconds |
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| 05:04.41 | Kaelten-Laptop | http://wowi.pastey.net/9929 |
| 05:04.56 | Kaelten-Laptop | that method of writing the funciton is going to be long in code wise but probably pretty fast |
| 05:04.58 | JoshBork1 | clad|sleep, Kaelten-Laptop: i appreciate all the help :-) |
| 05:05.11 | JoshBork1 | Kaelten-Laptop: indeed... |
| 05:05.52 | JoshBork1 | but that will give me a sort based on rarity only, not one based on rarity and name |
| 05:06.02 | Kaelten-Laptop | true |
| 05:06.04 | Kaelten-Laptop | hrm |
| 05:06.45 | Kaelten-Laptop | got an idea |
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| 05:08.39 | Kaelten-Laptop | god my mind isn't working in lua atm |
| 05:08.53 | Kaelten-Laptop | its stuck in python and javascript |
| 05:09.34 | JoshBork1 | lol |
| 05:09.36 | JoshBork1 | purl, hug Cairenn |
| 05:09.38 | purl | ACTION sneaks up on Cairenn and suddenly hugs Cairenn tightly |
| 05:09.45 | Cairenn | purl, hug JoshBork1 |
| 05:09.46 | purl | ACTION jumps into JoshBork1's lap and huggles and *hugs* JoshBork1 |
| 05:10.25 | Kaelten-Laptop | :) |
| 05:11.21 | Cairenn | ! |
| 05:11.41 | Kaelten-Laptop | JoshBork1: if we only have three sortable fields. then there is only what, 9 if statements that we need |
| 05:12.12 | Kaelten-Laptop | lol |
| 05:12.23 | Kaelten-Laptop | dude man at least I know only to do that when the channels empty |
| 05:12.52 | JoshBork1 | i have NO earthly idea what you're talking about |
| 05:12.55 | Corrodias | i had deleted a bunch of my old hunter's items and sent the rest to a new hunter alt, with the intention of using him as a replacement. but now i'm having second thoughts. i think i might send the stuff back and build him back up. |
| 05:13.24 | Corrodias | what scared me was grinding a pet up a mere 26 levels |
| 05:13.26 | JoshBork1 | Kaelten-Laptop: here's what i've got. 3 functions that have set priorities, rarity->name, ilvl->name, type->name |
| 05:13.42 | Kaelten-Laptop | JoshBork1: I disagree |
| 05:13.49 | Kaelten-Laptop | we want to minimize the numbers of calls |
| 05:13.51 | JoshBork1 | which could be brought into a single function |
| 05:14.09 | JoshBork1 | Kaelten-Laptop: only one of the functions is set to table.sort, based on what they click on |
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| 05:18.53 | wobin | http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n134/KlimtogWasTaken/Funnai/lolcatmacro4.jpg |
| 05:19.20 | wobin | although http://userpic.livejournal.com/60108983/8337850 just wins for the win |
| 05:25.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | Kirk |
| 05:25.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | i love you |
| 05:25.27 | Kirkburn|afk | :) |
| 05:25.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | dammit |
| 05:25.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh wait |
| 05:25.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | there you are |
| 05:25.39 | Kirkburn|afk | heh |
| 05:25.51 | bleeter | I just noticed something totally awesome about searching the armory |
| 05:25.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | thank you for meowwiki |
| 05:26.03 | Kirkburn|afk | My pleasure :D |
| 05:26.11 | bleeter | the big search thing near the top fails.. but only on the US site |
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| 06:34.53 | Guillotine | Don't miss me too much! |
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| 06:37.10 | Cairenn | lol |
| 06:37.11 | Cairenn | http://aprilfools.urgo.org/2007.html |
| 06:44.20 | Kirkburn|afk | Hey, we're number 2 :) |
| 06:45.21 | Cairenn | we aren't even on there :( |
| 06:46.07 | Kirkburn|afk | Another list here of course - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_1%2C_2007 |
| 06:53.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | so i'm watching the perfect hair forever marathon on adult swim for the second time through |
| 06:53.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | and i have no idea why |
| 06:54.02 | wobin | omg |
| 06:54.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's run through a filter or something and looks like a bad bootleg hongkong subtitled anime you'd buy on ebay |
| 06:54.08 | wobin | IT'S A KITTY |
| 06:54.19 | Kirkburn|afk | :D |
| 06:55.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | did you get the idea for meowwiki from my suggestion or did you decide that earlier, either way, it's awesome :P |
| 06:58.09 | bleeter | http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/04/01/cpu_time_dilation/ |
| 07:00.36 | Kirkburn|afk | Decided it about a week ago :) |
| 07:01.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | awesome |
| 07:01.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | ~time |
| 07:01.45 | purl | i heard time is 1 dimensional, or everlasting, an illusion, or 2007.04.01 7:01:45 GMT |
| 07:02.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | 3rd time watching the perfect hair forever marathon |
| 07:02.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | in hong-kong bootlegvision |
| 07:02.28 | Kirkburn|afk | I'm going to see how much stuff I can keep - I think the top-right tabby will have to stay |
| 07:02.48 | Kirkburn|afk | It's just far too cute |
| 07:03.19 | bleeter | it's a nice spot for various 'action' images |
| 07:03.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | aw, blizzard kinda failed this year |
| 07:03.28 | wobin | I like google's |
| 07:03.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | so far at least :[ |
| 07:03.45 | Kirkburn|afk | Kinda failed? They haven't done anything yet! |
| 07:04.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | yes they have, where it counts :p |
| 07:04.53 | Kirkburn|afk | Heh, Google's is indeed awesome |
| 07:05.05 | Kirkburn|afk | "This forum is currently undergoing maintenance, please check back at a later time." |
| 07:05.06 | wobin | Is Google TiSP safe and reliable? |
| 07:05.07 | wobin | Google TiSP ensures reliable throughput through the power of fiber, which has been proven through extensive research to effectively facilitate consistent data flow with minimal latency. |
| 07:05.31 | Kirkburn|afk | Did the forum maintenance just start? |
| 07:06.00 | Shirik | mine did 3 hours ago and I'm still working on it T_T |
| 07:06.04 | Shirik | IPB destroyed my site |
| 07:06.34 | Kirkburn|afk | oh LOL |
| 07:06.35 | bleeter | haha @ blizz forums |
| 07:06.52 | Kirkburn|afk | http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/btattunement/index.html |
| 07:06.58 | Kirkburn|afk | http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/items/tinfoilhat.xml |
| 07:07.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | they're not as believable this year :[ |
| 07:07.11 | bleeter | everyone's posting as a blue |
| 07:07.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | plus the us ones are broken |
| 07:07.20 | Shirik | lol really? |
| 07:07.23 | bleeter | yeah |
| 07:07.25 | Shirik | I want to be blue! |
| 07:07.36 | bleeter | forum text is blue, random Blizz representative avatars |
| 07:07.43 | Cairenn | rofl tinfoil hat! |
| 07:07.47 | bleeter | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=88578864&postId=884808865&sid=1#0 |
| 07:07.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | tinfoil hat was on the site a while ago but they removed it :[ |
| 07:07.57 | Kirkburn|afk | Oh, the forums are AWESOME |
| 07:08.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | it was an easter egg on the faction rewards |
| 07:08.07 | Cairenn | it's there right now |
| 07:08.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah |
| 07:08.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | i mean it was, before today |
| 07:08.26 | Cairenn | ah |
| 07:08.50 | Kirkburn|afk | Lol at the BT attunement notes |
| 07:09.24 | bleeter | lol @ 'WHOA' |
| 07:10.30 | wobin | That's very cool =) |
| 07:10.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | who is david wayne, i feel left out |
| 07:10.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | :[ |
| 07:12.36 | Kirkburn|afk | In one of the screenshots: "lfg shadow labs" ... "i'll go" ... "you know there's no 's' in laboratory right?" |
| 07:12.51 | wobin | is there more than one laboratory? |
| 07:13.02 | wobin | hang on =P |
| 07:13.06 | wobin | isn't it labrynth? |
| 07:13.45 | wobin | although |
| 07:13.54 | wobin | Shadow Lab doesn't quite have the same ... ring to it |
| 07:14.05 | Kirkburn|afk | heh |
| 07:14.55 | wobin | ps |
| 07:14.59 | wobin | I reiterate: http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n134/KlimtogWasTaken/Funnai/lolcatmacro4.jpg |
| 07:15.13 | Kirkburn|afk | awww |
| 07:16.18 | Kirkburn|afk | Lol, "It is six years before the beginning of the current struggle between the Alliance and the Horde. |
| 07:16.18 | Kirkburn|afk | " |
| 07:16.36 | Kirkburn|afk | Blizz done good :) |
| 07:16.40 | wobin | yeah =) |
| 07:16.59 | Kirkburn|afk | WHoA comes in *four* different box covers |
| 07:16.59 | Kirkburn|afk | (that's TWICE as many as WoW!) |
| 07:17.04 | Cairenn | I personally think Turbine's is hilarious |
| 07:17.40 | Kirkburn|afk | It is :P |
| 07:17.47 | Cairenn | http://www.lotro.com/article/305 |
| 07:18.34 | Kirkburn|afk | Check the far bottom middle screenshot - http://www.blizzard.com/whoa/ |
| 07:18.57 | wobin | rofl |
| 07:18.58 | wobin | smurfs |
| 07:19.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's like all 5 minutes photoshopped on |
| 07:19.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | haha |
| 07:20.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | i love all the character names |
| 07:20.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | they're all 300 references |
| 07:20.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | haha |
| 07:21.27 | Kirkburn|afk | Lol, and the Blizzard CMs are indeed normal characters now |
| 07:21.34 | wobin | yeah =) |
| 07:21.55 | Kirkburn|afk | They're all trolls, aren't they |
| 07:22.42 | wobin | They're all the same troll =) |
| 07:24.57 | Kirkburn|afk | Lol, visit http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/items/tinfoilhat.xml and do Ctrl+A |
| 07:26.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | kralnor ha |
| 07:27.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | even the alt text on the images is full of 300 references |
| 07:27.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | hahaha |
| 07:29.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | "Give to the Armory nothing, but take from it everything!" |
| 07:29.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | when you mouse over the tinfoil hat |
| 07:31.22 | Kirkburn|afk | heh |
| 07:31.30 | Kirkburn|afk | Already - http://www.wowwiki.com/Warcraft:_Heroes_of_Azeroth |
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| 07:42.55 | KarlKFI | lol, whoa |
| 07:43.17 | KarlKFI | 400 MHz G3 processor |
| 07:43.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh god a pally |
| 07:44.35 | KarlKFI | don't worry, i'm prot spec atm |
| 07:48.04 | KarlKFI | http://aprilfools.urgo.org/2007.html |
| 07:49.25 | Shirik | purl, poke Cairenn |
| 07:49.37 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Cairenn, pokes Cairenn repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 07:50.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | well then you'll just be chopping at me all day while i'm trying to quesst :[ |
| 07:50.43 | Cairenn | purl, prod Shirik |
| 07:50.44 | purl | ACTION zaps Shirik with a high voltage cattle prod |
| 07:50.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | but if i decide to actually hit you, woo buddy i'm screwed :p |
| 07:55.37 | Kirkburn|afk | Lol @ http://www.bbc.co.uk/ |
| 07:56.00 | Kirkburn|afk | See the UK version |
| 07:57.13 | Cairenn | it won't let me switch to UK version |
| 07:59.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | because it knowwwws |
| 08:01.21 | Kirkburn|afk | It doesn' allow you to switch? :( |
| 08:01.58 | Kirkburn|afk | Comes up with this http://www.bbc.co.uk/home/images/main_promo/picture_promo/april_fool_first.jpg |
| 08:02.34 | Kirkburn|afk | http://www.bbc.co.uk/home/images/main_promo/picture_promo/april_foolcheese.jpg |
| 08:02.43 | Kirkburn|afk | http://www.bbc.co.uk/home/images/main_promo/picture_promo/april_fool_roses.jpg |
| 08:02.54 | Kirkburn|afk | http://www.bbc.co.uk/home/images/main_promo/picture_promo/april_foolperfume.jpg |
| 08:03.06 | Kirkburn|afk | And finally, http://www.bbc.co.uk/home/images/main_promo/picture_promo/april_foolfinal.jpg |
| 08:03.22 | KarlKFI | http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/41/lebedev.shtml |
| 08:04.27 | bleeter | i'm gunna buy a http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/41/wiihelm.shtml just for Kirkburn|afk |
| 08:04.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | man |
| 08:05.08 | Kirkburn|afk | Awesome :D |
| 08:05.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've heard this tree drop the 'f bomb' 4 times on cartoon network already |
| 08:06.04 | Kirkburn|afk | phwaa? |
| 08:06.31 | KarlKFI | http://images.thinkgeek.com/other/looflirpa/navbanner-iphone.jpg |
| 08:07.05 | JunkHead-Work | http://mail.google.com/mail/help/paper/more.html |
| 08:09.21 | bleeter | heh, http://www.2600.com rewrote every article on their homepage |
| 08:09.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | on perfect hair forever, kirk |
| 08:09.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | or at least it sounds like it |
| 08:10.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | standards and practices probably will not be very happy with williams street |
| 08:10.35 | KarlKFI | http://www.iwantoneofthose.com/robogirlfriend/index.html |
| 08:10.57 | wobin | Not a problem. Gmail Paper is made out of 96% post-consumer organic soybean sputum, |
| 08:11.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | 500 bucks isn't too bad of a deal you know |
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| 08:12.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh wait it's only 3 feet tall |
| 08:12.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | :[ |
| 08:12.54 | KarlKFI | lol http://www.aeroxp.org/ |
| 08:13.44 | wobin | ? |
| 08:14.28 | KarlKFI | aeroxp is a windows fan site |
| 08:14.49 | wobin | ah =) |
| 08:17.37 | KarlKFI | http://wikitravel.org/en/Hell |
| 08:18.55 | KarlKFI | "Internet is occasionally available, but regulated by the Chinese. " |
| 08:20.17 | Shadowedd | what an amusing april 1st joke on blizzard forums |
| 08:21.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | okay i think i'm on the fourth runthrough of this perfect hair forever now |
| 08:21.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | :[ |
| 08:21.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | it still makes no damn sense |
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| 08:28.10 | KarlKFI | http://gamegimp.org/ |
| 08:29.52 | Cairenn | http://maps.google.ca/maps?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&tab=wl&q= |
| 08:30.05 | Shirik | aren't you supposed to be asleep? |
| 08:30.25 | Cairenn | wha? huh? who? where? |
| 08:30.39 | Shadowedd | err the black temple attunement page is a joke right? |
| 08:30.52 | Shirik | show it to me? |
| 08:31.02 | Shadowedd | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/btattunement/ |
| 08:31.55 | Shirik | holy crap |
| 08:32.20 | Shirik | it's not only long, each component takes forever >< |
| 08:32.30 | Shadowedd | notice, 500 badge of justices to get the key |
| 08:32.33 | JunkHead-Work | Read the bottom right quest. |
| 08:32.40 | JunkHead-Work | Illidari Onvasion |
| 08:32.44 | JunkHead-Work | Invasion* |
| 08:32.58 | Shadowedd | I assume it's a joke given the obsurdly long requirements |
| 08:33.49 | Shirik | lol: In a supreme demonstration of skill and coordination, defeat all end-bosses in the heroic dungeons in Outland within 10 minutes of each other. Use the key obtained through the quest Prove Your Worth in the following five minutes after the kill. If all 15 keys are used in the 10 minute timeframe the objective will be completed. Please note that both Horde and Alliance key triggers will be counted towards completion of this objecti |
| 08:34.20 | JunkHead-Work | Yup. |
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| 08:34.39 | Shirik | but I like "The Illardi Invasion" the best |
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| 08:39.17 | wobin | rofl |
| 08:39.23 | wobin | "Fishing 520 is required" |
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| 08:49.44 | Kirkburn|afk | I don't expect many to really get this but, http://www.istartedsomething.com/ |
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| 08:54.58 | Kirkburn|afk | This is easier ... spot what's going on (clue: follow the link/s) - http://blogs.technet.com/kevinremde/archive/2007/03/31/announcement-rumor.aspx |
| 09:03.35 | MentalPower|Play | woot! I'm Tseric! http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=88559026&postId=886110462&sid=1#26 |
| 09:05.59 | Shirik | I like this answer: " Delete your System32 folder and try your post again." |
| 09:06.13 | Shirik | I might try giving out this solution to people in the future |
| 09:06.25 | Calliee | lol keep reading ;) |
| 09:06.56 | Shirik | lol! |
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| 09:29.42 | Kirkburn|afk | Blizz actually updated their own page with WOaH too - http://www.blizzard.com/ |
| 09:31.47 | wereHamster | WOaH? |
| 09:32.03 | Shirik | warcraft: heroes of azeroth |
| 09:32.33 | Shirik | of course |
| 09:32.53 | Shirik | the acronym WHoA is intentional ;) |
| 09:33.01 | Kirkburn|afk | I just can't spell it |
| 09:33.25 | wereHamster | .. I already thought it is the new expansion for WoW :P |
| 09:33.25 | Shirik | "8 MB 3D video card (TNT, i810, Voodoo 3, Rage 128 equivalent or better) with DirectX® 8.1 support" |
| 09:33.28 | Shirik | system requirements |
| 09:38.49 | Kirkburn|afk | Go Drysc! http://blue.cardplace.com/newcache/forums.worldofwarcraft.com/88578918.htm |
| 09:39.34 | Kirkburn|afk | Actually, Aeus currently beats him - http://blue.cardplace.com/newcache/en/268996906.htm |
| 09:40.36 | Shirik | roofl |
| 09:40.38 | Shirik | that post is awesome |
| 09:42.12 | bleeter | " This kind of responses is exactly what we've come to expect in blue posts. No help at all for this extremely important issue which is ruining the game currently. *sigh*" |
| 09:42.15 | bleeter | lol |
| 09:43.33 | wobin | hm |
| 09:43.45 | wobin | the avatars aren't switched on the wow-europe forums? |
| 09:44.48 | bleeter | nah |
| 09:46.54 | Shirik | Hrm... do you think this line is too esoteric? |
| 09:47.08 | Shirik | return thisFile = getEntry(i = 0); |
| 09:47.22 | Shirik | and its relative: return thisFile = getEntry(++i); |
| 09:47.38 | wobin | mmm sideeffecty? |
| 09:47.46 | Shirik | it's me trying to put 3 lines into one >< |
| 09:47.50 | Shirik | maybe I shouldn't |
| 09:47.54 | wobin | Probably better not to =) |
| 09:48.13 | wobin | Cause when you come back to the code in a month's time, you'll spend far too long trying to redecode it =) |
| 09:48.19 | Shirik | heh yeah... |
| 09:48.38 | Shirik | it was sorta just one of those things where I had thisFile = getEntry(i); return thisFile |
| 09:48.50 | Shirik | then I was like ... well I can combine those together. Then I looked up "I can combine those too" |
| 09:48.52 | Shirik | this happened a few times |
| 09:49.00 | wobin | We have the technology! |
| 09:55.33 | bleeter | I like how http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=88679004 and follow drysc's post thru to his final |
| 09:55.44 | bleeter | (Onyxia DB increase, just in case you've already read it) |
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| 09:57.44 | wobin | ^^ |
| 09:57.45 | wobin | lackadaisical |
| 09:58.10 | wobin | odd how they switched the colours on the wow-eu forums and the avatars on the wow-us |
| 09:58.48 | bleeter | might it be harder for EU (multi-linguagal/location)? |
| 09:58.59 | bleeter | just a thought, maybe due to something along those lines |
| 09:59.21 | wobin | "Great, just what we need, an easier game. As I'm sure you're aware 9/10 dentists agree that this is the easiest game ever made. All of you gummi bears needs to start bouncing. Here. There. Everywhere. High adventure? Psh. Beyond compare." |
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| 10:38.08 | Nom- | wootwoot |
| 10:38.12 | Nom- | first piece of T2 |
| 10:38.14 | Nom- | T4 even |
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| 11:47.35 | leethal | anyone here has a clue on what the combat log says whet a paladins Righteous Defense gets resisted? |
| 11:53.48 | leethal | also, woot? http://www.wowwiki.com/Main_Page |
| 11:54.30 | ckknight | Ace3 news: http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=5506 |
| 11:55.05 | JunkHead-Work | Righteous Defense is when a Paladin basically pulls threat off someone to himself. |
| 11:55.14 | JunkHead-Work | So... |
| 11:55.27 | JunkHead-Work | I don't believe I've ever seen it resisted to be honest. |
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| 11:55.52 | ckknight | I have |
| 11:55.58 | ckknight | it gets resisted |
| 11:57.03 | leethal | "Your Righteous Defense was resisted"? |
| 11:57.36 | leethal | nothing on which mob that resisted it? |
| 11:57.39 | Shirik | I know it sounds strange, but it's not the first time I've heard it either |
| 11:57.48 | Shirik | but it sounds so stupid... like "Your heal was resisted" |
| 11:58.28 | Shirik | man that would suck if heals could be resisted :/ |
| 11:58.38 | leethal | I have an addon that goes "[current target] resisted taunt", so I guess I have a bit of a job figuring out what resisted the paladins taunt |
| 11:58.42 | leethal | if it's even possible |
| 11:59.14 | Shirik | All I know is several times I've yelled at paladin tanks just watching me die (as a priest) |
| 11:59.22 | Shirik | later they tell me that it got resisted |
| 11:59.26 | Shirik | so either they lie or it's possible |
| 11:59.34 | Shirik | the former wouldn't suprise me though |
| 12:00.10 | leethal | I'll just find a paladin and spam righteous defense somewhere to find out |
| 12:00.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | i love when idiot dpsers pull aggro, see my addon say growl was resisted, and keep dpsing |
| 12:03.27 | leethal | what addon do you use for that? |
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| 12:07.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | tauntfu, i think? |
| 12:07.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | heh |
| 12:07.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's a fubar addon |
| 12:07.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | Tauntwarn, i think |
| 12:08.05 | leethal | ah, ok |
| 12:08.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't look at the installed addons thing much anymore, just click update installed :p |
| 12:18.53 | Industrial | id do her. http://www.hotornot.com/r/?eid=BSKQHEN&key=BSK |
| 12:19.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm confused |
| 12:19.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's not a her as far as i can tell |
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| 12:25.17 | Industrial | first of april frog in your arse! |
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| 12:32.03 | Kirkburn|afk | Don't forget to visit http://www.wowwiki.com/Main_Page :) |
| 12:33.10 | leethal | mm, it's cute |
| 12:33.22 | JunkHead-Work | You has a jokes!11 |
| 12:33.52 | leethal | any particular reason? Or does me not knowing what's up mean that I fall under that gullibility category? |
| 12:34.29 | Kirkburn|afk | I have no idea what you're talking about. |
| 12:34.49 | Kirkburn|afk | Meanwhile, http://www.blizzplanet.com/?act=News&id=1284 |
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| 12:37.32 | leethal | not even PS3? |
| 12:37.34 | leethal | that is 1x total suck |
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| 12:41.01 | wereHamster | optimizing apps for PS3 is very difficult, it's one of the reasons why PS3 was delayed. I wouldn't be surprised if blizzard just lacked good people who can port starcraft to PS3 |
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| 12:43.48 | JunkHead-Work | I blame it on the lack of rumble. |
| 12:46.28 | leethal | oh.. it's april today.. |
| 12:47.45 | JunkHead-Work | Unfortunately yes. |
| 12:49.01 | Kirkburn|afk | The PS3 sucks anyway ^^ |
| 12:49.10 | JunkHead-Work | I've never played one. |
| 12:49.31 | JunkHead-Work | I have a 360 and a Wii... I've wasted enough money on consoles for a while. |
| 12:49.34 | JunkHead-Work | Seeya |
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| 12:55.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | Cair, you need to change your name to JackThompson on here for today and randomly go off on rants about those kids and their gee tee ay and their bully |
| 12:56.02 | leethal | what's the difference between table = { foo = "bar"} and table = { ["foo"] = "bar"}? |
| 12:56.44 | leethal | according to a tutorial I found, it's nothing. so it's just syntatic sugar, really? |
| 12:57.06 | wereHamster | PS3 is great.. I'd buy one just to test the cell cpu under linux :P |
| 12:57.11 | leethal | and as [] is a string, you can do fancy stuff like { ["foo"..somevar] = "bar"}? |
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| 12:59.34 | Shirik | leethal: That's correct |
| 12:59.43 | leethal | Shirik: ok, thanks =D |
| 12:59.56 | Shirik | there is no difference, and typically I write mine the first way you did ( {foo = "bar"} ) |
| 13:00.06 | Shirik | except in the single exception that you also provided, when you can't do that |
| 13:02.21 | Shirik | *sigh* |
| 13:02.38 | Shirik | line 456 in c:\wowiupdater\rarunpack.c): |
| 13:02.38 | Shirik | - Error - couldn't extract 'Cartographer_Scribe\core.lua' from 'testrar.rar': unknown compression method, file header broken |
| 13:02.44 | Shirik | I give up for today, night all |
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| 13:51.12 | Jens | What do I have to do to refresh Tradeskill Info's availability list after I learned recipes? I tried /rl and even complete game exit. |
| 13:51.47 | Jens | "y helo thar, I already know runecloth boots, kthx" |
| 13:52.44 | JoshBorke | Jens: did you make sure it wasn't a mod interfering? |
| 13:53.00 | Jens | I can't imagine what it would be. |
| 13:53.22 | Jens | Of course, after messing with it for 15 minutes, it magically solves itself after I whine here :) |
| 13:54.08 | Jens | I love that mod though. Been wanting something like it since forever. |
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| 14:20.10 | Kirkburn|afk | http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/04/01/april-fools-alert-1-meowwiki/ :D |
| 14:25.20 | haste | NEDM |
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| 15:08.50 | wereHamster | OMG.. TPB is has its servers in the north korean ambassy in sweden |
| 15:09.16 | wereHamster | .. and all of the crew will get North Korean citizenships. |
| 15:10.30 | wereHamster | http://thepiratebay.org/blog/61 :D |
| 15:15.08 | leethal | how do I fetch that GlobalStrings.lua? |
| 15:16.57 | leethal | wereHamster: woot O_o |
| 15:17.30 | zenzelezz | I just used the UI toolkit thing from Blizzard to extract the UI data |
| 15:17.48 | JoshBorke | leethal: wdn.wowinterface.com has a copy also |
| 15:17.50 | JoshBorke | wereHamster: ping |
| 15:17.59 | wereHamster | JoshBorke, wazzup? |
| 15:18.16 | JoshBorke | wereHamster: dunno if you were aware of a little bug in coolDown that duplicated cooldown timers |
| 15:18.36 | JoshBorke | specifically when zoning |
| 15:18.39 | wereHamster | after yopu use preparation or the mage cooldown reset spell? |
| 15:18.46 | wereHamster | oh.. that one is new |
| 15:19.39 | leethal | JoshBorke: thanks |
| 15:19.50 | JoshBorke | it might be a logical bug though. what happens is when you zone, every cooldown you currently have is duplicated with a slightly different time |
| 15:20.36 | JoshBorke | my local solution was to iterate over the coolDown.State table and return if i found the texture already in the table |
| 15:21.13 | wereHamster | is PLAYER_ENTRING_WORLD fired after zoning? |
| 15:21.19 | JoshBorke | yes |
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| 15:32.00 | JoshBorke | wb... |
| 15:33.09 | cladhaire | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/btattunement/ is my favorite |
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| 16:54.42 | Kirkburn|afk | ^ In out, in out, shake it all about |
| 16:55.00 | Kirkburn|afk | Methinks zelazny is a bit unstable today |
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| 17:24.30 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn, poke...i think it's time for a new topic |
| 17:26.29 | kaso | Welcome to WoWi-Lounge, the channel for discussing Cats! |
| 17:27.45 | Thunder_Child | wouldnt that be more for say...cat-lounge? |
| 17:27.57 | kaso | true |
| 17:28.18 | kaso | or perhaps some amusing non-wow topic that fits the acronym wowi |
| 17:29.52 | Thunder_Child | wow idiots-lounge |
| 17:30.29 | *** topic/#wowi-lounge by Cairenn -> Paste Code Here: http://wowi.pastey.net | Tinfoil hats for all! |
| 17:30.45 | Thunder_Child | Cairenns getting parinoid |
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| 17:40.46 | zenzelezz | Thunder_Child: didn't you see the tinfoil hat yet? |
| 17:41.01 | Thunder_Child | no |
| 17:41.28 | zenzelezz | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/items/tinfoilhat.xml |
| 17:43.41 | Thunder_Child | odd...very very odd |
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| 17:45.47 | Thunder_Child | 99 tin bars...well they prolly werent doing anything else |
| 17:47.53 | Kaso | I want one of those so bad |
| 17:48.28 | Thunder_Child | why? |
| 17:50.06 | Lysistrata | I really need to get that shematic ;) |
| 17:52.38 | Thunder_Child | crap...forgot it was april 1st |
| 17:54.54 | Cairenn | rofl Thunder_Child |
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| 18:21.53 | Thunder_Child | yea yea Cairenn, laugh it up |
| 18:25.00 | Cairenn | ;) |
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| 18:30.35 | Tain | April 1.. the day browsing the web is officially worthless. |
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| 18:31.46 | zenzelezz | there's always porn to pass time ;-p |
| 18:31.54 | Kirov_ | KittenWiki! |
| 18:32.48 | Kirov_ | http://www.wowwiki.com/Main_Page |
| 18:36.12 | Thunder_Child | some people should not be alowed near the internet... |
| 18:37.05 | Tain | I really hate April 1, everyone thinks they have some clever idea that... isn't. |
| 18:40.20 | Shadowedd | CM posters seem to be having fun |
| 18:45.09 | *** join/#wowi-lounge JoshBorke (n=Josh@r35h14.res.gatech.edu) |
| 18:45.48 | JoshBorke | hola |
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| 18:55.03 | Kirov_ | *crickets* |
| 18:56.53 | Lysistrata | but i won't i think xD |
| 18:57.25 | Esamynn | so, who has looked at the WoW homepage today? |
| 18:57.28 | Lysistrata | It's just no fun without any real feedback and stuff :( besides I think I'm the only one who'll be using it >_> |
| 18:57.34 | Kirov | You know, I liked my name for a event tracking addon I was working on. |
| 18:57.36 | Esamynn | 3 big announcements up today |
| 18:57.36 | Kirov | Calamity |
| 18:57.55 | Kirov | The work I did on it got merged in to DevTools though, so I doubt I'll ever touch it again. |
| 18:58.13 | Kirov | Esamynn - Tin Foil Hat ftw! |
| 18:58.21 | Esamynn | haha |
| 18:58.33 | Esamynn | did you SEE the Black Temple attunement graph>? |
| 18:58.42 | Kirov | Yeah |
| 18:58.44 | Lysistrata | I didn't even thought about a Name but I wanted a PHP Script which would allow me to easily display my progression on different dungeons :/ |
| 18:59.24 | Lysistrata | the bad thing about the tin foil head is that there would be people that want it ;D |
| 18:59.47 | JoshBorke | kirov: what's your item database do? |
| 18:59.58 | Kirov | Lysistrata - there are people who want the Black Temple attunement graph to be real too, but we call these people idiots. |
| 19:00.26 | JoshBorke | i have a slightly harsher term for them |
| 19:00.49 | Kirov | JoshBorke - Did you ever use Loot Link enhanced? |
| 19:01.20 | JoshBorke | no |
| 19:01.31 | Kirov | ever use any item db addon? |
| 19:01.36 | Kirov | heh |
| 19:01.39 | JoshBorke | yes, i'm working on one myself :-D |
| 19:01.42 | Kirov | ah |
| 19:02.00 | Kirov | Mine is basically Loot Link in steroids. |
| 19:02.29 | Esamynn | ROFL, Blue Text for ALL!@ |
| 19:02.39 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 19:02.51 | JoshBorke | Kirov: how so? |
| 19:03.12 | Kirov | JoshBorke - I store the entire tooltip |
| 19:03.24 | JoshBorke | couldn't that get...rather large? |
| 19:03.29 | Kirov | JoshBorke - Yes |
| 19:03.43 | Kirov | JoshBorke - I'm doing stuff to the tooltip though to only store what's needed. |
| 19:04.03 | JoshBorke | sure, sure, but it'll still be large :-D |
| 19:04.14 | Lysistrata | *nod* |
| 19:04.28 | JoshBorke | but it'll let yous earch along any parameter |
| 19:04.33 | JoshBorke | ala the item websites |
| 19:04.35 | Kirov | Exactly. |
| 19:05.04 | Kirov | If Mental ever gets off his ass and finishes Itemizer it'll be similar to that |
| 19:06.20 | Kirov | I also dislike how most item dbs freeze up your system for a couple of seconds each time you open the browse window if there are a lot of items stored. |
| 19:06.23 | Kirov | So, mine doesn't. |
| 19:06.35 | JoshBorke | kirov: ooo, how do you achieve that? |
| 19:06.59 | Kirov | It also scans in the background for new items that aren't necessarily seen in links (ie: horde gear) |
| 19:07.31 | Kirov | JoshBorke - basicly, I sort the list myself in lua using a coroutine |
| 19:07.42 | JoshBorke | that would do it |
| 19:07.50 | Kirov | Takes about twice as long, but I've got a nice little progress bar for it |
| 19:08.11 | JoshBorke | it may take twice as long, but the game is still playable while doing it |
| 19:08.16 | Kirov | Yep |
| 19:08.42 | Lysistrata | I'm still looking for something which makes it easy to transfer the lua arrays WoW saves into a format which is easier to parse :/ |
| 19:08.44 | JoshBorke | how much memory does it use up? do you know (saving all the tooltips) |
| 19:10.03 | Kirov | More than most item db addons, but a shit ton less than Loot Link |
| 19:10.54 | Kirov | My current version isn't saving the full tooltip yet though |
| 19:11.41 | JoshBorke | cool |
| 19:11.42 | Kirov | And I need to update it to work with BC's random prop stuff |
| 19:12.05 | Kirov | It's also really annoying that scanning the enchants disconnects the player |
| 19:16.23 | JoshBorke | that would be slightly annoying |
| 19:16.37 | Kirov | I scan through all of the enchants and store them so I don't have to store them for the tooltip |
| 19:18.40 | Kirov | One of my favorite things about the addon as it stands is it updates the browser window while you view it. |
| 19:18.56 | Kirov | And it's able to do it even if you have 50k items |
| 19:19.20 | JoshBorke | thanks to your coroutine sort function |
| 19:19.30 | Kirov | That and some other trickery |
| 19:20.22 | Kirov | I can send it to you if you want to check it out |
| 19:20.43 | JoshBorke | sure |
| 19:21.03 | wereHamster | yeah, I want it, too :) |
| 19:22.11 | Kirov | http://cyberartist.shackspace.com/wow/ItemCatalog.zip |
| 19:22.24 | Kirov | The first time it starts up it'll say your db is out of date and ask to update. |
| 19:22.37 | Kirov | It'll cause you to get disconnected. |
| 19:22.58 | Kirov | When you start up again it will ask again but won't disconnect you. |
| 19:23.14 | Kirov | (first time precaches all of the enchant ids) |
| 19:23.37 | Kirov | there's no minimap button yet, so use /ic |
| 19:24.06 | JoshBorke | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:24.31 | Kirov | It'll have a fubar / titan plugin |
| 19:24.46 | Kirov | atm though I don't use any libs |
| 19:26.34 | JoshBorke | quickSort! |
| 19:26.45 | Kirov | finds it as you type |
| 19:27.07 | Kirov | press enter to have the list only show items that match |
| 19:27.13 | Kirov | press tab to cycle through |
| 19:27.21 | Lysistrata | The Problem is there are a lot of Addons with minimap buttons but most just support the location not the radius ;) |
| 19:28.13 | Kirov | Lysistrata - all my addons do |
| 19:28.16 | Kirov | in some way or another |
| 19:29.08 | Lysistrata | Most of mine don't expect I use something like a "direct command" using /script or something like Minimapbutton Detach |
| 19:30.01 | Kirov | I've seen some addons that if you drag it far enough away from the minimap it just detaches, which is cool except it doesn't help when you have non-standard shaped minimaps |
| 19:30.30 | Kirov | Mine let you drag around a minimap with in a radial range so you can plop it anywhere you want. |
| 19:30.39 | Kirov | but it won't disconnect |
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| 19:39.19 | JoshBorke | Kirov: very cool |
| 19:39.49 | wereHamster | .. indeed |
| 19:41.30 | Kirov | Basically using the uniqueIds at the end of the itemstring basically screwed this up though. |
| 19:41.38 | Kirov | I'll have to go back and fix a lot |
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| 19:48.01 | JoshBorke | ooo, i like the spinny thing in the middle :-D |
| 19:48.17 | Kirov | Hover over the spinny thing in the top left |
| 19:48.23 | Kirov | Shows you what it's processing |
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| 19:49.10 | JoshBorke | nifty |
| 19:49.35 | JoshBorke | it's taking forever though :-/ |
| 19:49.41 | Kirov | Processing? |
| 19:49.45 | JoshBorke | yea |
| 19:49.46 | Kirov | Yeah, the first time it takes a while |
| 19:49.53 | Kirov | It's finding new items in the background. |
| 19:50.14 | Kirov | But it's trying not to cause any performance decrease so it can be doing this while you're in combat. |
| 19:50.15 | JoshBorke | i'd prefer it grab a big shallow list to begin with, then start scanning the advanced info later |
| 19:53.05 | Kirov | I keep that list small because it's not designed around the first big grab, it's designed around doing this in the background constantly |
| 19:54.42 | JoshBorke | yea, it's fine :-) |
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| 20:15.14 | pastamancer | Kirov: I wonder if using smoothsort instead of quicksort would help any |
| 20:15.37 | pastamancer | or is a lot of time spent in coroutine overhead |
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| 20:17.48 | Kirov | pastamancer - smoothsort? |
| 20:18.56 | pastamancer | it's a heapsort variant that performs near O(n) on already sorted data an O(n log n) on worst case |
| 20:19.46 | pastamancer | http://wowi.pastey.net/9814 line 171 |
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| 20:20.13 | pastamancer | http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/EWD/ewd07xx/EWD796a.PDF is djikstra's paper on it |
| 20:20.37 | Tuller | hurray dijikstra |
| 20:20.52 | wereHamster | from wikipedia: Due to its complexity, smoothsort is rarely used. |
| 20:21.10 | pastamancer | yeah, because nobody can be bothered to implement it |
| 20:22.14 | wereHamster | sure looks complex :-/ |
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| 20:26.07 | pastamancer | I haven't had an opportunity to use my lau implementation in anything serious yet though |
| 20:26.15 | JoshBorke | that just hurt my brain |
| 20:27.26 | pastamancer | s/lau/lua/ |
| 20:29.04 | wereHamster | I'm wondering why lua doesn't use smoothsort for table.sort .. or does it? |
| 20:29.24 | pastamancer | nah, it's quicksort |
| 20:29.47 | nevcairiel | smoothsort is somewhat near the best sorting algorithm isnt it? |
| 20:30.04 | zenzelezz | depends what you're looking for I'd assume |
| 20:30.16 | pastamancer | general-purpose, I believe so |
| 20:30.28 | nevcairiel | obvioulsy in special cases binary sorts are faster |
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| 20:35.04 | Shirik | >>> sort = {5,3,1,3,87}; function doSort(tbl) foreach key, pair in pairs(tbl) do tbl[key] = 1; end end doSort(sort); return sort; |
| 20:35.10 | Shirik | :( |
| 20:35.22 | Shirik | well I like my sorting algorithm. Very fast, always returns sorted results |
| 20:35.47 | Shirik | Not necessarily what you started with but... meh, every algorithm has its drawbacks |
| 20:36.14 | nevcairiel | hehe |
| 20:36.16 | zenzelezz | if they didn't we'd all be using the same one obviously |
| 20:36.42 | Esamynn | I have this SUPER algorithm that does EVERYTHING in constant time! =D |
| 20:36.56 | Esamynn | but i'll NEVER share it! =D |
| 20:36.59 | Shirik | :( |
| 20:37.02 | nevcairiel | heapsort is hard to understand imho .. when we discussed it at university it was not too easy to get |
| 20:37.05 | Kirov | I'd be willing to try smoothsort |
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| 20:37.43 | nevcairiel | from what i understand, smoothsort is even more complex then heapsort |
| 20:39.04 | Shirik | I will have to read this paper on smoothsort, it looks intriguing |
| 20:48.22 | KarlKFI | you know.. for a minute there i actually thought blizzard employees were asking all sorts of dumb user questions as an april fools thing.. |
| 20:48.47 | Shirik | they are |
| 20:49.01 | KarlKFI | try posting yourself |
| 20:49.25 | KarlKFI | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=88429212&postId=886117428&sid=1#1 |
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| 20:49.37 | Shirik | nono |
| 20:49.41 | nevcairiel | hehe |
| 20:49.41 | Shirik | they also did that as well |
| 20:49.43 | Shirik | let me find the thread |
| 20:49.47 | nevcairiel | yeah they did |
| 20:49.54 | nevcairiel | one "white" post with weird stuff |
| 20:49.59 | nevcairiel | and a million blue posts answering |
| 20:50.04 | KarlKFI | lol |
| 20:50.11 | KarlKFI | ok i didn't knwo they swapped |
| 20:50.12 | Shirik | note that blizzard employees are white posts: http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=268996906&sid=1&pageNo=1 |
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| 20:51.45 | zenzelezz | what colors do greenies get? |
| 20:51.56 | Shirik | I don't know |
| 20:51.58 | Shirik | hey Iriel|Away |
| 20:52.01 | Shirik | go post somethign! |
| 20:52.07 | nevcairiel | i bet its still green |
| 20:52.15 | Shirik | yeah :( |
| 20:52.19 | zenzelezz | ought to be pink |
| 20:53.05 | Kaso | americans get animated icons, europeans dont :< |
| 20:53.09 | nevcairiel | stupid CMs spamming the forums |
| 20:53.14 | Kaso | nor do our CMs get level 1 alts |
| 20:53.14 | Shirik | yeah :( |
| 20:53.16 | nevcairiel | bluetracker is useless right now :P |
| 20:55.21 | Shirik | heh |
| 20:55.25 | Shirik | is it picking up all the normal users? |
| 20:56.08 | cladhaire | i still use thottbot's news tracker |
| 20:56.15 | cladhaire | Its the best i've ever seen. |
| 20:56.16 | cladhaire | =/ |
| 20:57.30 | KarlKFI | Too many connections |
| 20:58.09 | cladhaire | meh, i could care =) |
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| 21:47.18 | Esamynn | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=88599874&sid=1 |
| 21:47.47 | zenzelezz | hercules o_O |
| 21:47.56 | Esamynn | lol |
| 21:48.00 | slouken | Heheh |
| 21:48.04 | Esamynn | everyone click the link! |
| 21:48.08 | Esamynn | hurry! |
| 21:48.11 | zenzelezz | did |
| 21:48.54 | pastamancer | lol |
| 21:49.14 | JoshBorke | lol! |
| 21:49.15 | JoshBorke | nice |
| 21:52.37 | Bleeter | hah |
| 21:58.48 | wereHamster | slouken, congratulations to your promotion, you deserved it ;) |
| 21:58.59 | slouken | Thanks! What promotion? :) |
| 22:00.18 | slouken | or rather, how did you know? :) |
| 22:00.25 | wereHamster | your resume ;) |
| 22:00.39 | slouken | Ah... *laugh* |
| 22:00.40 | wereHamster | .. always checking on my favourite programers :P |
| 22:00.44 | slouken | Heheh |
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| 22:08.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Is it the actual slouken? If so, why aren't the UI forums a spitting image of general today? You disappoint me! ;) |
| 22:10.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Just kidding... but you know, the upcoming 2.1.0 features could use a bit of http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/2567/lolwutks8.jpg |
| 22:12.31 | haste | bandwidth limit? :) |
| 22:12.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Works here |
| 22:12.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Tseric has been posting that everywhere |
| 22:13.02 | slouken | It says "removed for high bandwidth usage" |
| 22:13.04 | haste | then that might be the reason it was removed due to high-bindwidth usage |
| 22:13.22 | slouken | Yes, I'm the real slouken, what's happening on the General forum? |
| 22:13.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Heh. Everything twice over |
| 22:13.36 | ScytheBlade1 | http://blue.cardplace.com/blue_results1.htm says a lot |
| 22:13.39 | slouken | Heh |
| 22:13.51 | ScytheBlade1 | http://blue.cardplace.com/newcache/us/88629592.htm for example |
| 22:14.08 | ScytheBlade1 | http://blue.cardplace.com/newcache/us/88609538.htm sums it up nicely also |
| 22:14.24 | slouken | Oh good grief. |
| 22:14.39 | slouken | I stay away from the general forum, for good reason. :) |
| 22:15.03 | ScytheBlade1 | So what's the obvious solution? Bring the general forums to the UI forums! |
| 22:16.07 | slouken | lol |
| 22:17.05 | Adys | hmm |
| 22:17.55 | slouken | cya! |
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| 22:24.10 | Legorol | zomg, a slouken! |
| 22:24.13 | Legorol | what's he doing here.. |
| 22:24.21 | ScytheBlade1 | <-- slouken (n=hercules@ip68-5-37-254.oc.oc.cox.net) has left #wowi-lounge |
| 22:24.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Not much |
| 22:25.49 | Bleeter | Legorol: looking for reaction to http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=88599874 methinks ;) |
| 22:25.50 | JoshBorke | Legorol: pwned |
| 22:29.47 | Bleeter | interesting, on slouken's resume he doesn't mention any lua skill at all |
| 22:32.39 | Legorol | that's because Lua is not his job description ;-) |
| 22:32.42 | Legorol | it's a very small part of it |
| 22:33.02 | Legorol | that's the public face we see i guess |
| 22:34.31 | Bleeter | I think it's more that he's not really updated it much, eg, it kinda stops around 2001 or so (ie, only mentions W95/NT as an eg) |
| 22:35.07 | Legorol | well Lua is just a small part of the UI structure of WoW, which in turn is a small part of slouken's job |
| 22:35.10 | Legorol | so why would he mention it |
| 22:35.25 | Legorol | it'd like saying: I can program in C, and I know what sprintf does. |
| 22:36.01 | Bleeter | yup, and there's so much tcl/tk and lisp in WoW that it rates a mention :P |
| 22:36.09 | Legorol | bah, you got me |
| 22:36.42 | zenzelezz | didn't you know, the NPC AI is all eggdrops |
| 22:38.27 | Legorol | How do I set the transparency of the background of a status bar? |
| 22:38.43 | JoshBorke | statusbar.bg:SetAlpha()? |
| 22:38.48 | Legorol | uh |
| 22:39.14 | Legorol | by status bar i mean the UI widget type |
| 22:42.23 | Legorol | here is what i'm trying to do: |
| 22:42.34 | Legorol | the default player and party frames have health and mana bars |
| 22:43.07 | Legorol | as the health/mana drops and the bar gets shorter, an empty space is left, and that area is semi-transparent |
| 22:43.17 | Legorol | i am trying to change the transparency of that bit |
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| 22:45.31 | KarlKFI | and not the rest of the bar? |
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| 22:48.00 | Legorol | no, not the coloured part, but the empty part |
| 22:53.20 | KarlKFI | the transparent part behind the default UnitFrames is not part of the StatusBar, but rather a part of the background/border graphic I believe |
| 22:53.45 | KarlKFI | I think the status bar negative space is fully transparent |
| 22:55.13 | KarlKFI | I think unitframes like CTRA have a background behind the whole bar which fills in the negative space as the bar depleats |
| 23:03.06 | Shadowed | Out of curiosity mainly, but any idea what addon is sending stuff like "Uumcjim&+[+", "humcjim", "Aumcjim0&++" or "Cumcjim +`+X" |
| 23:03.55 | wereHamster | the prefix will usually tell you which addon it is |
| 23:04.01 | Shadowed | the prefix is "2" |
| 23:04.21 | wereHamster | not much in that case :-/ |
| 23:04.41 | Shadowed | yeah, it's being sent to GUILD so figured some manager addon or something |
| 23:05.05 | Shirik|Ecole | 2? |
| 23:05.10 | Shirik|Ecole | man.... |
| 23:05.29 | Shirik|Ecole | Some addon authors really just need a lesson in organization :/ |
| 23:07.55 | Shirik|Ecole | :( I never get any hugs |
| 23:08.07 | Shirik|Ecole | anyway... back home |
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| 23:10.18 | KarlKFI | Shadowed: could be anything using AceComm, it converts all transmissions into some form of binary representatons I think |
| 23:10.35 | KarlKFI | or some custom encryption |
| 23:12.44 | Shadowed | I bet it's something like GuildMap then |
| 23:14.37 | wereHamster | rot13? :P |
| 23:16.41 | Shadowed | doesn't looklike it |
| 23:16.43 | Shadowed | how odd |
| 23:17.41 | Shirik | you could |
| 23:17.45 | Shirik | hook SendAddonMessage() |
| 23:17.48 | Shirik | to try to find t |
| 23:17.50 | Shirik | it* |
| 23:19.12 | Shadowed | If I was the one sending it I could just search for the prefix "2", but it's multiple guildies and was curious as to whats doing it |
| 23:21.29 | Shirik | I could write a little addon to investigate it if you want |
| 23:21.36 | Shirik | wouldn't take more than 5 minutes |
| 23:21.40 | Shirik | would be a bit spammy though |
| 23:22.06 | Shadowed | naww don't worry about it, was just mild curiosity mainly |
| 23:22.14 | Shirik | maybe GEM? |
| 23:22.19 | Shirik | I never bothered to look at how it communicates |
| 23:22.30 | Shirik | there aren't many addons that communicate over GUILD |
| 23:24.35 | Shadowed | GEM uses GEM2 prefix |
| 23:24.52 | Shirik | hm, I'm reading an academic paper that argues that rot13 is more effective than enigma, des, and rsa-1024 |
| 23:25.01 | Shirik | it's amusing |
| 23:26.40 | wereHamster | was it published today? |
| 23:26.44 | Shadowed | cladhaire: Just wondering, but is there a reason Dongle just sends all of the slash command arguments as one string instead of line by line? |
| 23:26.47 | Shirik | heh, no |
| 23:26.53 | Teomyr | oO |
| 23:26.55 | Shirik | but... |
| 23:26.57 | Shirik | april 1 2005 |
| 23:27.08 | Shirik | it actually proposes a double rot13 encryption scheme |
| 23:27.13 | Shirik | they title 2rot13 |
| 23:27.21 | Shirik | http://phoenix.clifford.at/~ak/2rot13.pdf |
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| 23:39.33 | wereHamster | very good reasoning.. |
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| 23:46.32 | Teomyr | rofl "Currently, an implementation of 2ROT13 exists, which is called Pretty Good Double ROT13 Privacy – or short PG2ROT13P – and is meant to be a successor to the infamous Pretty Good Privacy cryptography toolkit." |
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