| 00:05.19 | Tem | lol! |
| 00:05.19 | Tem | http://img488.imageshack.us/img488/8616/1357772924w03j818snme0.gif |
| 00:07.09 | cladhaire | lol |
| 00:07.20 | cladhaire | Tem can you use .. in toc? |
| 00:07.27 | Tem | don't think so |
| 00:11.04 | zenzelezz | I feel like saying "test it and see" like you told me when I asked about UnitHealth; but for what it's worth I see several addons using ..\various\filename.bleh |
| 00:13.48 | MentalPower | cladhaire: yes you can |
| 00:13.54 | cladhaire | interesting |
| 00:13.55 | cladhaire | thx |
| 00:14.13 | cladhaire | zenzelezz: i can't test it, smartass =) |
| 00:14.46 | zenzelezz | I'm not being a smart-ass, I'm being grumpy |
| 00:14.55 | cladhaire | ;-) |
| 00:19.30 | JoshBorke | zenzelezz: is that different from normal? :-P |
| 00:19.56 | zenzelezz | yes, usually I attack unprovoked |
| 00:20.06 | JoshBorke | oh, ok, just checking :-D |
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| 00:49.08 | Guillotine | >>> atable={1,2,3,"red","green",false} return atable |
| 00:49.19 | Guillotine | oh, Cide left :( |
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| 00:57.39 | JoshBorke | moroes with no priests...doesn't seem like it'll go well |
| 00:57.53 | zenzelezz | which adds? |
| 00:58.00 | JoshBorke | dunno |
| 00:58.56 | Guillotine | we did that. Had 3 pallys though, so we just kept 2 guys feared |
| 00:59.13 | zenzelezz | 3 paladins? o_O |
| 00:59.35 | JoshBorke | they have 2 paladins, 2 warlocks, and 1 hunter |
| 01:06.23 | MentalPower | Guillotine: that would print something like "table: 0093BAB0" |
| 01:17.13 | Tem | it depends on Cide's operating system |
| 01:17.15 | Guillotine | MP: alright. Trying to see exactly how Cide's program parses the information |
| 01:17.48 | Tem | some of them do 0xBADADD |
| 01:17.55 | Tem | and some others don't use the 0x |
| 01:18.06 | Shirik | Cide's does without the 0x |
| 01:18.13 | Shirik | but actually |
| 01:18.20 | Shirik | it now parses tables and prints them |
| 01:18.41 | Shirik | but for, say, a function, it would do something like function: BAADF00D |
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| 01:36.39 | kneeki | hey all |
| 01:37.28 | Cairenn|afk | hi kneeki |
| 01:41.28 | cogwheel | arghhh.... I charged a mob and it made me fall off the side of netherstorm |
| 01:41.43 | [dRaCo] | lol :ž |
| 01:41.56 | kneeki | I've done that twice now |
| 01:41.58 | tedrock | what is the command you use in a macro to rotate your character or view 180 degrees |
| 01:41.58 | kneeki | *shakes fist* |
| 01:42.02 | cogwheel | and worse than that: i didn't fall all the way off so i had to spirit rez |
| 01:42.15 | kneeki | lol |
| 01:42.58 | tedrock | i read it somewhere but cant' find ti now |
| 01:43.33 | Guillotine | tedrock: it is no longer possible to rotate your character |
| 01:43.38 | cogwheel | tedrock: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/search.html?forumId=11114&stationId=1&sid=1&searchText=180&x=0&y=0 |
| 01:43.55 | tedrock | i think it's possible to change the view though |
| 01:44.03 | [dRaCo] | I wonder if there's a way to have flight instruments for my mount... like altitude and degree 'n stuff |
| 01:44.16 | tedrock | thats a good idea |
| 01:44.24 | tedrock | draco |
| 01:45.06 | Nom- | lol |
| 01:45.11 | tedrock | Guillotine: "No, you can only get a macro to change your characters camera direction." |
| 01:45.12 | Nom- | he's posted 5 times? |
| 01:45.30 | tedrock | that's what all that forum you directed to me says |
| 01:46.14 | Guillotine | [dRaCo]: altitude isn't possible, but some people have talked about implementing a formula for the angle compared to the ground by analyzing speed |
| 01:46.23 | Guillotine | 2 dimensional speed I mean |
| 01:46.27 | Guillotine | since thats all you get |
| 01:47.38 | [dRaCo] | he, that's pretty cool. |
| 01:48.40 | [dRaCo] | any idea if they succeded? |
| 01:48.46 | Shirik | oh |
| 01:48.47 | Shirik | that was me |
| 01:48.49 | Shirik | a long time ago |
| 01:49.05 | Shirik | It was going really well I just got tied up with a lot of things |
| 01:49.11 | Shirik | so I had to stop working on it for a while |
| 01:50.47 | tedrock | are the flying mounts baiscly just liek swiming in wow. you can go up and down left right and forward but you cant' like do a loop or anything in teh air rig |
| 01:50.56 | tedrock | right? |
| 01:51.03 | [dRaCo] | yeah |
| 01:51.11 | tedrock | hrmm. |
| 01:51.17 | [dRaCo] | are you going to finish it sometimes, shirik? |
| 01:51.30 | Shirik | I'll probably play with it tomorrow see what I can do |
| 01:51.43 | Shirik | I had some great ideas for it, wanted to make an artificial horizon and all |
| 01:51.50 | Shirik | VSI, artificial horizon |
| 01:51.54 | [dRaCo] | sounds great |
| 01:52.17 | [dRaCo] | how about making it an overlay for the minimap? |
| 01:52.22 | [dRaCo] | just slipped into my mind |
| 01:52.46 | tedrock | one more flying mount question. is there a limit on how high up you can go... and is it just like an invisable barrier? |
| 01:52.54 | Gngsk | yes, yes |
| 01:53.17 | tedrock | interesting |
| 01:53.23 | [dRaCo] | not really |
| 01:53.29 | tedrock | they should have just made fatige |
| 01:53.40 | tedrock | or breath |
| 01:53.43 | [dRaCo] | old-school skybox |
| 01:54.07 | tedrock | so then after the bar goes you unmount (because the mount got tired or whatever) and fall to your death |
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| 01:54.26 | [dRaCo] | evil. |
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| 01:54.52 | tedrock | it woudl be cool to see a 70 splat beside me now and then |
| 01:55.31 | Gngsk | lol |
| 01:55.36 | Gngsk | now that would be interesting |
| 01:56.03 | tedrock | get a whole raid to fly waaaaay above HH and then make it rain people |
| 01:56.14 | tedrock | it would make a cool screen shot |
| 01:56.45 | tedrock | if anyone does that send me a screen shot |
| 01:56.49 | tedrock | tedrock@gmail.com |
| 01:56.50 | tedrock | :P |
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| 02:04.42 | tedrock | and i just had flying mounts ruined for me |
| 02:05.00 | JoshBorke | iwhy? |
| 02:05.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | actually you can do a loop |
| 02:05.23 | tedrock | just saw a warlock fly off into the air and his felguard hovering behind him |
| 02:05.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | if you do /pitchlimit 360 or more |
| 02:05.39 | JoshBorke | pets will be fixed in 2.1 |
| 02:05.49 | tedrock | pitchlimit is that the damn command i wanted earlier |
| 02:05.52 | JoshBorke | Mr_Rabies2: you can do a 360? THAT'S AWESOME! |
| 02:06.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | you can do a loop |
| 02:06.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | set it to like 99999 and you can do a ton of loops |
| 02:06.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | you can fly upside down too |
| 02:06.25 | Corrodias | /console pithclimit? |
| 02:06.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah it may be /console |
| 02:06.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | i forgot |
| 02:06.38 | Corrodias | without typos |
| 02:06.40 | tedrock | i want the command that will rotate my camera to 180 degrees |
| 02:06.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | i have that bound to middlemouse :p |
| 02:07.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | there's a binding for it in the keybindings :O |
| 02:07.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | also, there's /mountspecial |
| 02:07.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | when you're on a flying mount it'll do the cat roar animation |
| 02:07.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | druids in flight form do a small loop |
| 02:07.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | if they're on the ground or moving |
| 02:07.51 | tedrock | rabies do you knwo the command i would us ein a macro to roate my view 180 degrees? |
| 02:08.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | i dunno, i dunno if it's possible anymore or not |
| 02:08.36 | tedrock | aw |
| 02:08.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | there's a place in your keybindings for it though |
| 02:08.46 | tedrock | what is this pitch limit all for then? flying onlying? |
| 02:09.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | by default your max angle in flying is straight up or straight down |
| 02:09.41 | Shirik | tedrock: |
| 02:09.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | pitchlimit lets you change that angle to fit your desires |
| 02:09.43 | Shirik | It |
| 02:09.44 | Shirik | s |
| 02:09.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | i fly upside down in shattrath and confuse people :p |
| 02:10.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | i think it works with swimming too |
| 02:10.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | i dunno |
| 02:10.31 | Shirik | it's /script FlipCameraYaw(180); |
| 02:10.31 | tedrock | i was just gonan say does it work in swimming |
| 02:10.34 | tedrock | it must |
| 02:10.48 | Shirik | but be warned, that's a camera view change, so (1) it won't go back to normal automatically, and (2) it doesn't turn your character |
| 02:11.05 | tedrock | cool |
| 02:11.15 | tedrock | i was just making a macro to make me move around all weird haha |
| 02:11.40 | tedrock | i used to see one that made a guy do a weird move because he would start and stop a bunch of dances and moves at certain times |
| 02:11.49 | tedrock | i donno if it's possible anymore |
| 02:12.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | you can do multiple emotes in the same macro i think |
| 02:12.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | i had one that did like 20 at once |
| 02:12.42 | Shirik | me too |
| 02:12.47 | Shirik | I only wrote it to piss someone off :P |
| 02:12.59 | tedrock | but does it just start one and then wait until it's done and then do the next |
| 02:13.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | /whistle /cheer /cry /bored /flex /whistle /cheer /silly /cry /dance |
| 02:13.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | looks and sounds hilarious |
| 02:13.18 | Shirik | it doesn't wait |
| 02:13.23 | Shirik | it just spams your chat window |
| 02:13.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | no, you can't wait afaik |
| 02:13.35 | Shirik | actually |
| 02:13.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | maybe in an addon |
| 02:13.42 | Shirik | chronos should be able to do an /in 5 /flex |
| 02:13.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | using chronos or similar |
| 02:13.47 | Shirik | etc |
| 02:13.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah |
| 02:13.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh, you can macro with chronos? interesting |
| 02:14.32 | Shirik | that's the only thing I ever knew it does :P |
| 02:14.34 | Shirik | I don't use it |
| 02:17.29 | JoshBorke | purl, hug Cairenn|afk |
| 02:17.36 | purl | ACTION hugs Cairenn|afk |
| 02:17.36 | Cairenn|afk | purl, hug JoshBorke |
| 02:17.38 | purl | ACTION hugs JoshBorke tightly until JoshBorke turns slightly blue |
| 02:17.46 | Cairenn|afk | :) |
| 02:17.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's used for some internal stuff in cosmos, i wasn't aware it had an /in command still |
| 02:18.09 | JoshBorke | how come i always get the lame hugs? :-/ |
| 02:20.58 | JoshBorke | night all |
| 02:29.38 | Kirkburn | Hey all! I'm looking for more feedback on http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Kirkburn/Dev2 |
| 02:29.46 | Kirkburn | Any opinions would be really useful |
| 02:31.10 | Kirkburn | It's a proposed update for the Main Page |
| 02:33.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | i suggest every picture be changed into a picture of a kitten and every link on the front page also link to this picture of a kitten |
| 02:33.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | in the name of accuracy |
| 02:37.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | that would make a pretty good april fool's day prank, a fake frontpage that's locked from changes and has all the kitten stuff or something, but has a link to the real one at the top :p |
| 02:39.36 | Kirkburn | Hey! |
| 02:39.44 | Cairenn|afk | hah! you said something! |
| 02:40.39 | Kirkburn | Meanie head :( |
| 02:41.08 | Kirkburn | Kirkburn lashes his bats at Cairenn|afk |
| 02:41.16 | Cairenn|afk | rofl |
| 02:41.31 | Kirkburn | Did you know one of Superman's powers was Super-Weaving? |
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| 02:44.12 | Shirik | HAHA |
| 02:44.15 | Shirik | you can consume magic fade |
| 02:44.35 | Nom- | heh |
| 02:44.38 | Shirik | that saved my butt there |
| 02:44.44 | Shirik | we had just rezzed, nobody had mana |
| 02:44.55 | Shirik | and a pat ran for the tank, so I healed him pulled aggro |
| 02:45.00 | Shirik | I have no buffs so I'm like "what do I do" |
| 02:45.02 | Shirik | fade, consume magic |
| 02:45.04 | Shirik | good to go |
| 02:46.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | do you get the aggro back instantly if you cancel/consume fade? |
| 02:50.08 | Shirik | oh |
| 02:50.13 | Nom- | you'd get the threat back |
| 02:50.14 | Shirik | well it stayed on the tank |
| 02:50.18 | Nom- | but not necessarily aggro |
| 02:50.20 | Shirik | but I imagine that's because of the 30% rule |
| 02:50.35 | Nom- | well on a level 70 |
| 02:50.39 | Shirik | you surely get the threat back, as happens when fade ends |
| 02:50.42 | Nom- | fade is less than one sunder worth of threat |
| 02:51.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | i use threat and aggro interchangably, i dunno |
| 02:51.17 | Shirik | I use threat when talkinga bout points |
| 02:51.23 | Shirik | aggro to define who is being targetted |
| 02:51.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | i call threat aggro and being targeted by a monster "getting aggro" but i guess it was a bit vague there in how i said it |
| 02:51.51 | Nom- | yeah threat != aggro |
| 02:56.11 | [dRaCo] | Shit, texture bug. |
| 02:56.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | dammit draco you beat me to it |
| 02:56.53 | [dRaCo] | come on, that one was too easy. |
| 02:58.34 | Kirkburn | I made some more edits to the Interface section of http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Kirkburn/Dev2 ... any objections?! |
| 02:58.51 | Shirik | oooh |
| 02:58.52 | Shirik | I like that |
| 03:01.50 | Kirkburn | woot |
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| 03:45.30 | pakoz | hi all |
| 03:45.43 | Shirik | rawr |
| 03:45.49 | pakoz | shirik!? |
| 03:45.52 | pakoz | as in skull? |
| 03:45.55 | Shirik | er |
| 03:45.57 | Shirik | yes? |
| 03:45.59 | Shirik | who are you? |
| 03:46.04 | pakoz | O.o |
| 03:46.18 | Shirik | Sorry I don't recognize that name |
| 03:46.49 | pakoz | ::looks at his feet:: |
| 03:47.00 | Shirik | ooh |
| 03:47.03 | Shirik | haha |
| 03:47.05 | pakoz | mutters* |
| 03:47.13 | Shirik | strangely enough |
| 03:47.16 | Shirik | I shouldn't be surprised |
| 03:47.21 | pakoz | ><? |
| 03:47.26 | Shirik | what ya need |
| 03:47.44 | pakoz | hmm |
| 03:47.49 | pakoz | im just playin with UIs |
| 03:47.53 | pakoz | since my connection is so borked |
| 03:47.58 | Shirik | ah |
| 03:48.07 | pakoz | http://www.parebdistro.com/rawr/rawr3.JPG |
| 03:48.07 | Shirik | I'm just falling asleep |
| 03:48.10 | pakoz | http://www.parebdistro.com/rawr/rawr5.JPG |
| 03:48.13 | Shirik | what with the lack of sleep in about 48 hours and all |
| 03:48.18 | pakoz | why? |
| 03:48.27 | Shirik | have you been to ghq recently? |
| 03:48.58 | pakoz | mm, no |
| 03:49.02 | Shirik | ah |
| 03:49.03 | pakoz | i never went there to begin with ;x |
| 03:49.07 | Shirik | whenever you get time go read the news post :P |
| 03:49.13 | Shirik | it's in the gmotd too :P |
| 03:49.13 | pakoz | >< |
| 03:49.16 | sysrage | went away for a week and vbagnon got renamed and minimap button bag is just gone from wowi? what's up with that? |
| 03:49.59 | pakoz | whats the headline ;x? |
| 03:50.21 | Shirik | erm... they may have changed the gmotd now I dunno anymore :P |
| 03:50.41 | Shirik | anyway |
| 03:50.42 | pakoz | ;x Regretfully though in the last few weeks we have had several members leave us ? |
| 03:50.44 | Shirik | I kinda like that UI |
| 03:50.48 | pakoz | <3 |
| 03:52.30 | pakoz | rofl JAK STEELE and his bad ass voice |
| 03:52.41 | sysrage | anybody have another mod that does what MBB did? (makes 1 minimap button that you can put all the rest of your minimap buttons in) |
| 03:52.41 | pakoz | forgot about the intro video ;x |
| 03:52.50 | sysrage | you click it and it shows um all |
| 03:53.16 | Shirik | I fail to see how that's possible |
| 03:53.20 | Shirik | was it an ace addon? |
| 03:53.27 | sysrage | no, don't think so |
| 03:53.49 | sysrage | Minimap ButtonBag.. it did it great. don't know why it disappeared off WOWI |
| 03:54.04 | Shirik | was thinking it hooks the ace function for minimap buttons (and thus only works for ace) |
| 03:54.24 | sysrage | worked for every minimap button i had |
| 03:54.57 | Shirik | um |
| 03:55.00 | Shirik | you're a tool |
| 03:55.01 | Shirik | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6764-MinimapButtonBag.html |
| 03:55.35 | Shirik | All I did was search for "Minimap ButtonBag" |
| 03:55.38 | Shirik | in downloads search :P |
| 03:55.42 | pakoz | lol ;x |
| 03:55.52 | pakoz | shirik got any good raid mods |
| 03:55.56 | Shirik | rdx |
| 03:56.14 | pakoz | hmm |
| 03:56.15 | pakoz | lol |
| 03:56.16 | pakoz | did veni give you a copy or you still hax'n away? |
| 03:56.24 | sysrage | yes, i'm a tool because if you search for buttonbag, button, or bag it doesn't show up |
| 03:56.30 | Shirik | .. really? |
| 03:56.33 | Shirik | odd |
| 03:56.40 | Shirik | that may be a bug |
| 03:56.42 | sysrage | and because i've searched for 'buttonbag' for the last 6 months and it showed up. |
| 03:56.47 | Shirik | well |
| 03:56.47 | sysrage | but doesn't anymore |
| 03:56.53 | Shirik | Dolby did recently change the search feature |
| 03:56.57 | Shirik | it is MUCH better |
| 03:57.05 | sysrage | .. ya. .. much better |
| 03:57.14 | Shirik | pakoz: RDX5 was released a while back |
| 03:57.26 | pakoz | whats the current version? |
| 03:57.31 | Shirik | erm |
| 03:57.57 | Shirik | for the "official" rdx, 6 something :P I dunno. For ours, 10.1.2 |
| 03:58.18 | pakoz | hmm |
| 03:58.50 | Shirik | sorry 10.1.1 |
| 04:00.52 | Shirik | Anyway sysrage, in all seriousness |
| 04:00.59 | Shirik | in the past, when I wanted to find an addon, it took me forever |
| 04:01.06 | Shirik | now, I get it almost every time first try |
| 04:03.04 | sysrage | a) a little hard to take you 'in all seriousness' when you call me a tool for such a retarded reason. b) optimized search engines aren't -easy- to code, but there aren't THAT many mods on wowi. if a mod is named minimapbuttonbag it makes zero sense that 'button' or 'bag' doesn't find it |
| 04:03.33 | Shirik | calm down, the "tool" was a joke.. |
| 04:04.09 | pakoz | still goin at it ;x |
| 04:04.21 | Shirik | in any case, I find a good reason that 'button' or 'bag' wouldn't match it... even if it does make sense to a human, it's less obvious to a computer |
| 04:04.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | woooow, this is the greatest review ever, i'm not generally a big fan of AICN, but |
| 04:04.39 | sysrage | no it's not. regex searches are fucking basic |
| 04:04.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.aintitcool.com/?q=node/32030 |
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| 04:04.45 | Shirik | minimapbuttonbag is all one word. "Bag" matches that, but so does "ton" |
| 04:04.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | First 300 and now this? I think the summer of 2007 just went, “Hey, let me take you to a free taquito buffet” and you eat all these taquitos and then the summer goes, “Here comes a foot to your stomach”, but you go, “It’s full of taquitos” but it’s too late – there’s a boot in your stomach only the boot is really a motorcycle and you puke up a bikini girl who blows you and then kills your boss with a hammer. |
| 04:04.51 | Shirik | does that mean that "ton" should match it as well? |
| 04:04.57 | sysrage | yes |
| 04:05.04 | Shirik | Then you would have a million results |
| 04:05.25 | sysrage | that's what they searched for, that's what they should get. |
| 04:05.26 | Shirik | and you don't need a regex search for that |
| 04:05.45 | sysrage | if you don't want to return a million results, then count the number of results. if it's > 500000, print an error |
| 04:06.19 | sysrage | like i said, there aren't THAT many mods on the site. there's no reason to over complicate it. it SHOULD just be a regex |
| 04:06.20 | Shirik | that would be quite obvious to do. That's not the point though. The point is limiting what the user sees to what they actually want to see, whether or not what they typed in was actually a good response. |
| 04:06.27 | Shirik | In general....... |
| 04:06.37 | Shirik | I disagree, a regex is, by far, overkill in most cases |
| 04:06.43 | Shirik | And would slow down the site |
| 04:06.54 | Shirik | stristr is more than adequate for a basic search |
| 04:07.18 | sysrage | fine. it's still not using stristr |
| 04:07.24 | Shirik | Anyway, in general, the community has welcomed the new search system, saying it produces drastically better results. In fact, you're the first person I've seen that dislikes it. |
| 04:08.02 | Shirik | That doesn't mean it is in fact better, but it is a point I'd throw out there |
| 04:08.12 | Nom- | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:08.15 | Shirik | It boils down to personal opinion, and so far it seems the majority is in favor |
| 04:08.21 | Nom- | You're talking about the web site search? |
| 04:08.28 | Shirik | downloads search |
| 04:08.31 | Nom- | I'd guess it's probably using an SQL Like Match |
| 04:08.32 | Shirik | the new system versus the old |
| 04:08.44 | Shirik | like matches are ungodly slow as well |
| 04:08.46 | pakoz | skull; this one? http://www-en.curse-gaming.com/files/details/6311/rdx-cid/ |
| 04:08.53 | Nom- | ie. SELECT * FROM addon_listing WHERE filename LIKE "%<search string>%" |
| 04:09.02 | Shirik | If you're going to do a sql match, use pattern matching in sql statement |
| 04:09.12 | Nom- | Shirik: Pretty quick on a correctly indexed table, actually |
| 04:09.20 | Shirik | LIKE doesn't use indexes, that's the problem |
| 04:09.25 | Shirik | at least not fulltext indexes |
| 04:09.32 | Shirik | pattern matching does |
| 04:09.35 | Nom- | Nothing does, really.... |
| 04:09.38 | Nom- | That's why they're slow |
| 04:09.52 | Shirik | dododo let me find the article one sec |
| 04:10.05 | Nom- | Ok, let me put it this way |
| 04:10.23 | Nom- | If you're going to do a full table scan, it matters not which method you use |
| 04:10.29 | Nom- | HOWEVER indexes DO come into play |
| 04:10.47 | Nom- | Because if you have many rows with the same data |
| 04:10.51 | Shirik | ok I'll say this - your plan of action would depend on how you set up your indexes |
| 04:10.53 | Nom- | Then they're using the same index |
| 04:11.34 | Shirik | I guess, for the addon NAME, LIKE makes sense, because you'd have a string index and not a fulltext index |
| 04:11.41 | Shirik | but for like, searching description |
| 04:12.02 | Nom- | No matter what you do it's going to be slow |
| 04:12.16 | Shirik | you'd have to use a fulltext index, thus forcing you to use SELECT * FROM addon_listing WHERE MATCH(filename) AGAINST "+search string" IN BOOLEAN MODE; |
| 04:12.34 | Shirik | I adjusted my forums to use a fulltext index with pattern matching for searches |
| 04:12.39 | Shirik | my forums have.... hm let's check |
| 04:12.55 | sysrage | you're both overcomplicating it.. it's the TITLE of the mod.. doesn't have to search any BLOBs or any large text fields. the titles surely can't be unlimited length. how many mods are there? i'll WAY overestimate and guess there's 100000. doing a LIKE or = search on a table with just an index and those names is going to be VERY fast on any machine built in the last century |
| 04:13.01 | Nom- | For speed purposes, you'd normally extract keywords from the actual descriptions |
| 04:13.02 | Shirik | 91276 posts... and no search takes over a second |
| 04:13.04 | Nom- | and store them seperately |
| 04:13.26 | Shirik | sysrage: The search system allows for title, description, and author search, each has a checkbox |
| 04:14.06 | sysrage | and ONLY the TITLE checkbox is checked by default |
| 04:14.09 | sysrage | which is what i search |
| 04:14.10 | Nom- | ie. The phrase "Creates a list of all active guild members", you'd store, in another table, "creates", "list", "active", "guild", "members" |
| 04:14.18 | Nom- | all pointing to that addon description |
| 04:14.25 | Shirik | But see, you don't have to do that |
| 04:14.28 | Shirik | Mysql takes care of it for you |
| 04:14.30 | Shirik | with a fulltext index |
| 04:14.42 | Nom- | That's how Google does their massive indexing :) |
| 04:14.48 | Nom- | By extracting keywords |
| 04:15.11 | Nom- | That's why they ignore words like "if", "and", "or" in searches |
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| 04:17.37 | sysrage | i'm amused you just pointed out that those checkboxes are there. they make my point hit home even harder. there should be simplified tables for each of those 3 checkboxes. if only title is checked, it should do the most basic search as i just stated. if other boxes are checked, then get as complicated as you want |
| 04:17.53 | sysrage | a title search is childs play |
| 04:18.55 | Shirik | I still disagree that the search term "ton" should result in the response "buttonbag", but that's more of a personal opinion |
| 04:19.29 | Shirik | Nom-: As you can see, fulltext indexes can make these searches go very quickly, without the need to do all that work (it's done automatically). This may, however, be mysql specific: http://wowi.pastey.net/9297 |
| 04:19.41 | Nom- | Oh, it is... |
| 04:19.44 | Shirik | For a forum with over 90k posts, I think that's good |
| 04:19.52 | Nom- | FULLTEXT is MySQL Sepecific AND it only works on MyISAM Tables |
| 04:22.25 | Nom- | So if you want to do something useful with MySQL, You're fucked. |
| 04:22.25 | Nom- | Excuse the french |
| 04:22.25 | Shirik | yeah that's the one problem with it I'm facing with some other site I'm working on |
| 04:22.25 | Shirik | we need to use InnoDB because we need transactions |
| 04:22.25 | Nom- | MyISAM on MySQL 5 supports Transactions if i recall correctly |
| 04:22.25 | Shirik | so I have to do this complex mess of figuring out which tables need to be InnoDB and which are MyISAM |
| 04:22.25 | Shirik | does it o.o |
| 04:22.25 | Shirik | I'll have to check that |
| 04:22.26 | Shirik | though |
| 04:22.26 | Nom- | Ah, no it's not |
| 04:22.26 | Shirik | MyISAM's performance is pretty good |
| 04:22.26 | Nom- | I thought I'd read they fixed that |
| 04:22.26 | Nom- | Yeah, MyISAM performance is beyond comparison |
| 04:22.26 | Nom- | For flat storage and retrieval of data, MyISAM beats every commercial database engine pants down |
| 04:22.26 | Shirik | sysrage: If you really hate it that much |
| 04:22.26 | Nom- | But, you can't do anything useful with it |
| 04:22.27 | Shirik | talk to Dolby; obviously I'm not a programmer for WoWI, I can't do anything |
| 04:22.27 | Shirik | I'm sure he's open to suggestions |
| 04:22.34 | sysrage | i don't hate it, i just don't understand why it was overcomplicated |
| 04:22.43 | Nom- | Shirik: That probably depends on whether he's had Coffee yet or not ;) |
| 04:22.50 | Shirik | Like I said, you're actually the first person I've heard that ... haha |
| 04:22.52 | sysrage | i sent him a msg on here. he'll probably take it the wrong way. but whatever |
| 04:23.00 | Shirik | Like I said, you're actually the first person I've heard that has said something against it |
| 04:24.22 | Shirik | also |
| 04:24.32 | Shirik | I have come to the conclusion pastey.net's MySQL highlighting is incredibly outdated |
| 04:26.29 | sysrage | so searching for 'min' shows minimapbuttonbag... that's ok? but searching for 'ton' shouldn't work? |
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| 04:26.43 | Shirik | makes sense to me |
| 04:26.47 | Shirik | it starts with "min" |
| 04:26.49 | MentalPower | Shirik: why do you say that? |
| 04:27.00 | Shirik | MentalPower: You mean the comment about pastey.net/ |
| 04:27.05 | MentalPower | aye |
| 04:27.42 | sysrage | i almost agree.. but if you're going ot do that, *ton* should find it at least |
| 04:27.45 | Shirik | It failed to highlight "AGAINST", "SQL_CALC_FOUND_ROWS", and "IN BOOLEAN MODE" |
| 04:27.55 | Shirik | all of which are in the mysql manual |
| 04:28.20 | Shirik | (note I selected the "mysql" language and not "sql" also) |
| 04:28.22 | sysrage | a * before the search term is completely worthless if you're only going to match stuff that starts with whatever is after the * |
| 04:30.48 | Shirik | ok we are talking about two different things I think |
| 04:31.03 | Shirik | I agree *ton* should find it, actually |
| 04:31.08 | Shirik | if you include the asterisks |
| 04:31.13 | Shirik | (the fact that it doesn't surprises me) |
| 04:31.27 | Shirik | but just stating the word 'ton' shouldn't, in my opinion |
| 04:31.57 | Nom- | It's probably a MySQL backend |
| 04:32.19 | Nom- | And mysql_escape_string() will escape out any wildcards |
| 04:32.33 | Shirik | the "advanced" symbols looks precisely like a MySQL pattern match |
| 04:32.37 | Nom- | Anyone who doesn't use that, is insane |
| 04:32.37 | Shirik | oooh |
| 04:32.38 | Shirik | I wonder if |
| 04:32.43 | Shirik | he's using mysql_escape_string |
| 04:32.49 | Shirik | which, of course, he should |
| 04:32.54 | Shirik | but then it's fowling up the pattern |
| 04:32.57 | sysrage | if you click advanced search it specifically says * should work as a wildcard |
| 04:33.05 | Nom- | Yeah, that's the problem with PHP, Shirik :) |
| 04:33.21 | Nom- | Anyone who has used it long enough doesn't know about the goodness that is bind variables |
| 04:33.30 | Nom- | That only came in php5 with mysqli |
| 04:33.46 | Shirik | I've used it for quite a long time, myself |
| 04:34.01 | Shirik | but never really got into the php5 changes |
| 04:34.04 | Nom- | And do you use bind variables, or do you still use that evil interpolation of variables ? |
| 04:34.08 | Shirik | I don't use OOP in php either (even though I love oop) |
| 04:34.25 | Nom- | Does your code look like this: |
| 04:34.39 | Nom- | "SELECT * FROM table WHERE col = \"$var\"" |
| 04:34.42 | Nom- | Or like this: |
| 04:34.52 | Nom- | "SELECT * FROM table WHERE col=?", $var |
| 04:35.02 | Shirik | the first |
| 04:35.12 | Nom- | Yes, you're one of the evil PHP Programmers then |
| 04:35.15 | Shirik | haha |
| 04:35.22 | Shirik | if it was a php5 change, then I probably just wasnt' aware of it |
| 04:35.30 | Nom- | It is |
| 04:35.31 | Shirik | only reason we even upgraded was because something we wanted to use required it |
| 04:35.35 | Nom- | Only because PHP was shit |
| 04:35.37 | Shirik | I never bothered to look at what it came |
| 04:35.39 | Shirik | with |
| 04:36.00 | Nom- | Bind variables have been around for ages, they make programmer life 1000x easier |
| 04:36.12 | Shirik | I will have to look into this now |
| 04:36.13 | Nom- | You don't have to escape anything, you can deal with binary data without problems |
| 04:36.45 | Shirik | so you could do something like |
| 04:36.48 | Nom- | for the most part, the only real cahnge is adding an i to the end of the functions |
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| 04:37.40 | Shirik | $query = "SELECT * FROM addon_list WHERE MATCH(description, name) AGAINST (?)",$_POST['search'] |
| 04:37.42 | Shirik | something like that? |
| 04:37.42 | Nom- | http://au2.php.net/manual/en/function.mysqli-prepare.php |
| 04:38.02 | Nom- | Not quite, the interface for mysqli isn't as nice as Perl's |
| 04:38.46 | Shirik | in any case |
| 04:38.48 | Shirik | I'm wondering if that's a bug in Dolby's code |
| 04:38.59 | Nom- | Basically, the interface for PHP was very database heavy in PHP4 |
| 04:39.07 | Nom- | mysqli moves more of the load back to PHP instead of the database |
| 04:39.20 | Nom- | Because you know that every time you run a query the database has to optimize it right? |
| 04:39.28 | Shirik | yeah but tbh |
| 04:39.38 | Shirik | my database needs to take more of the work, less work for php >< |
| 04:39.51 | Shirik | because they're on two different servers, and my php server sucks and I have a specific amount of allocated cpu |
| 04:39.51 | Nom- | lol you're an evil programmer |
| 04:40.00 | Nom- | It's a lot easier to upgrade the frontend than to upgrade the backend |
| 04:40.01 | Shirik | whereas the database server is unlimited |
| 04:40.26 | Nom- | Not using prepared statements creates more overhead for both really |
| 04:40.47 | Shirik | well I'll have to read this |
| 04:40.51 | Nom- | Every time you run mysql_query() it runs an optimization on teh statements (client-server interaction) |
| 04:40.58 | Nom- | Then it sends the query to the server to run it |
| 04:41.08 | Nom- | If you use prepare() it dones one optimization run |
| 04:41.18 | Nom- | Then using the optimized statement with all the bind variables you set up |
| 04:42.14 | Nom- | You also have to consider that as far as SQL is concerned, [SELECT * FROM table WHERE blah="foo"] and [SELECT * FROM table WHERE blah="bar"] are seperate statements and have to be re-optimized each time |
| 04:42.29 | Shirik | true |
| 04:42.30 | Nom- | Whereas [SELECT * FROM table WHERE blah=?] only needs to be optimized once |
| 04:42.55 | Nom- | And you can then call that statement 5 times in a row with no additional client-server overhead |
| 04:43.10 | Nom- | It's not a big deal in a low-queries environment |
| 04:43.47 | Nom- | But here at work, just moving some VERY old code to use the bind variables droped server loads from 15-17 down to 2-3 |
| 04:44.13 | Nom- | There's actually *that* much overhead :) |
| 04:44.31 | cladhaire | hrm, I can compress my data to 68% of base size, that's just using straight huffman. |
| 04:44.38 | Nom- | You could benchmark it if you wanted too...get a random string generator, a table with 1000 rows of data, and just run indexed searches using both methods |
| 04:44.49 | cladhaire | still have the main issue of packetizing the data, and marking the end of the message |
| 04:44.51 | cladhaire | *ponder* |
| 04:45.03 | Nom- | \0\0\0 :) |
| 04:45.21 | cladhaire | that would add 8 bits to every string. |
| 04:45.27 | cladhaire | witha single \0 |
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| 04:45.39 | Nom- | 1 byte? |
| 04:45.44 | Nom- | You're whinging over 1 byte? :P |
| 04:45.47 | cladhaire | ... |
| 04:45.54 | cladhaire | when it comes down to compression, yes.. |
| 04:45.59 | Shirik | 1 byte to every string |
| 04:46.03 | Shirik | for cladhaire's purposes |
| 04:46.07 | Shirik | would be...... |
| 04:46.09 | Nom- | I have no idea what you're doing, so meh |
| 04:46.12 | Shirik | 8000 bytes? |
| 04:46.14 | Shirik | something like that? |
| 04:46.22 | Nom- | wow.. 8K |
| 04:46.24 | Shirik | I dunno how you stored it |
| 04:46.25 | Nom- | :) |
| 04:46.37 | Shirik | no wait |
| 04:46.40 | Shirik | it would be a lot more than that |
| 04:46.52 | Nom- | brb getting lunch from down the road |
| 04:46.54 | Shirik | 8000 quests, assume, say, 10 comments per quest |
| 04:47.08 | Shirik | yeah it would be more :p |
| 04:47.13 | cladhaire | checking |
| 04:47.17 | cladhaire | to give real numbers =) |
| 04:47.37 | cladhaire | 31277 bytes |
| 04:47.50 | cladhaire | which only gives me overall compression of around 73% of baseline |
| 04:48.06 | cladhaire | I may end up using LZ77 as well |
| 04:48.08 | cladhaire | if i have time |
| 04:48.18 | cladhaire | although i probably should just write the damn addon, lol |
| 04:48.36 | Shirik | no |
| 04:48.42 | Shirik | it's good that you're concerned about this too |
| 04:48.55 | Shirik | it means you're not one of those other lazy programmers that churns memory and destroys framerates |
| 04:49.03 | cladhaire | ... you've never met me, have you =) |
| 04:49.53 | sioraiocht | clad has a lot of pride in his code profiling |
| 04:50.06 | Shirik | this is a good thing |
| 04:50.15 | sioraiocht | you might say the only place he doesn't consider space complexity would be his ego |
| 04:50.19 | cladhaire | i hate you |
| 04:50.20 | cladhaire | in the face |
| 04:50.21 | sioraiocht | hahahahah |
| 04:50.33 | cladhaire | if i had a whiteboard, this problem would be solved. |
| 04:50.40 | sioraiocht | it's called pencil and paper |
| 04:50.45 | cladhaire | i'm lacking those as well |
| 04:50.47 | Shirik | I'm really anxious to see, in 2.1.0, what addons really destroy cpu cycles |
| 04:50.50 | cladhaire | but a whiteboard is by far preferred. |
| 04:50.58 | Kirkburn | I'm just really anxious to see 2.1.0 |
| 04:51.03 | sioraiocht | why not random library windows, John Nash? |
| 04:51.14 | Shirik | What's that mean? |
| 04:51.18 | cladhaire | Cairenn: I'm fully aware |
| 04:51.22 | cladhaire | that's what makes me good at it. |
| 04:51.41 | Kirkburn | (A little wise and a lot foolish) |
| 04:51.57 | Kirkburn | Roughly in a ratio 1:100 ;) |
| 04:52.39 | Cairenn | "in order to save a penny on the cost of X, you'll drive Y further distance to buy it somewhere else, thus actually spending Z more pounds in the long run" |
| 04:52.40 | cladhaire | depends on who's penny :P |
| 04:52.56 | Shirik | heh |
| 04:52.58 | Shirik | You know Cairenn |
| 04:52.59 | Shirik | sadly |
| 04:52.59 | Kirkburn | yes, indeed, who IS Penny? |
| 04:53.02 | Shirik | I did that |
| 04:53.07 | Shirik | For a year |
| 04:53.12 | Cairenn | penny wise and pound foolish |
| 04:53.13 | MentalPower | ~lart all |
| 04:53.13 | purl | chops all in half with a free AOL CD |
| 04:53.26 | Shirik | In order to save gas, I drove to the gas station in the next county because their taxes were a ton lower. |
| 04:53.34 | Shirik | I was saving about $0.20 a gallon |
| 04:53.35 | cladhaire | and i'm sure 2.1.0 will come out, and people will continue to look at the wrong culprits, and blame things that aren't actually to blame |
| 04:53.38 | cladhaire | it'll be neat. |
| 04:53.49 | Shirik | A year later someone else did the calculation and the gas I spent driving to and from there ate up the entire profits |
| 04:53.55 | haste | it will be warmup all over again cladhaire :D |
| 04:54.12 | Cairenn | my point is, I wonder how often you guys actually end up wasting resources in trying to save resources |
| 04:54.25 | Shirik | Hmm |
| 04:54.26 | cladhaire | Cairenn: I waste nothing other than my own time =) |
| 04:54.32 | Shirik | I'd like to point out that you really can't "save" resources |
| 04:54.36 | Shirik | It's always a tradeoff |
| 04:54.36 | Kirkburn | That's quite a powerful AOL CD ... I mean, all of us and not even blunting. Wow. |
| 04:54.36 | Cairenn | that's still resources |
| 04:54.45 | Shirik | It's a tradeoff between processing and memory |
| 04:54.49 | cladhaire | Nom-: so basically, I generate a bitsteam, but because not all chars are SV-safe I grab seven bits, add 32 and packetize that as a single character. |
| 04:54.54 | Cairenn | you get my point though |
| 04:55.02 | Shirik | something requiring less CPU cycles typically takes more memory, and vice-versa |
| 04:55.05 | Shirik | but yeah |
| 04:55.16 | cladhaire | Nom-: The problem is, when I get an odd number of bits leftover, say 3 bits, then there is no way for the DESTINATION to know what to ignore, and when to stop decoding. |
| 04:55.34 | cladhaire | I'm trying to find a clean way to make that happen |
| 04:56.09 | Shirik | Funny thing is |
| 04:56.13 | Shirik | if this guy had never made this addon |
| 04:56.27 | cladhaire | its so much nicer when you're dealing with binary streams, and don't have to worry about things like chat channels and saved variables =) |
| 04:56.30 | Shirik | cladhaire probably wouldn't be here right now trying to remake it :P |
| 04:56.41 | cladhaire | Shirik: not true, stuff like this would be going into TomTom either way |
| 04:56.46 | cladhaire | and my scraper blows his out of the water =) |
| 04:56.50 | Shirik | haha |
| 04:57.29 | Shirik | oh |
| 04:57.30 | Shirik | what's tomtom? |
| 04:57.37 | Shirik | isn't that that gps thing for cars? |
| 04:57.42 | Shirik | voice activated? |
| 04:57.51 | cladhaire | its also my personal navigation assistant for wow =) |
| 04:57.55 | Shirik | ooh |
| 04:57.57 | Shirik | I get it!~ |
| 04:58.01 | cladhaire | cause cartographer is.. silly |
| 04:58.11 | cladhaire | and i'm not into any of the other ones, to say the least |
| 04:58.18 | Shirik | never used any of em really |
| 04:59.50 | Cairenn | night guys |
| 04:59.56 | Kirkburn | Night! |
| 04:59.56 | Shirik | night |
| 04:59.59 | cladhaire | night Cairenn|afk |
| 05:00.02 | Shirik | Regarding the earlier references to the Wii |
| 05:00.06 | MentalPower | night Cair |
| 05:00.07 | Shirik | http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comics/20070326.jpg (NSFW) |
| 05:00.09 | Kirkburn | Whose Wii? |
| 05:00.27 | Kirkburn | lol! |
| 05:01.14 | MentalPower | gnight guys |
| 05:01.21 | Shirik | night |
| 05:01.35 | Kirkburn | When I read that, I hear Stewie's voice |
| 05:01.47 | Shirik | haha yeah |
| 05:02.31 | Kirkburn | G'night MentalPower|ZZzz |
| 05:04.56 | Shirik | right, I guess I'll head out too |
| 05:04.57 | Shirik | night all |
| 05:05.22 | Shirik|zZz | oh btw kirkburn |
| 05:05.30 | Shirik|zZz | I now have ops on #conservapedia |
| 05:06.26 | Kirkburn|afk | Shirik|zZz, *sigh* |
| 05:06.30 | Shirik|zZz | haha |
| 05:06.45 | Shirik|zZz | right, night |
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| 05:24.50 | Nom- | >:( |
| 05:25.50 | Fin | dammit, not again |
| 05:28.07 | Nom- | Next time, you'll be going up against Onyxia...naked...wearing a tabart with a giant bullseye on the chest! |
| 05:28.17 | Nom- | s/tabart/tabard/ |
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| 05:54.11 | cladhaire | is there a way to make scrollframes start from the top, instead of the bottom? |
| 05:54.20 | cladhaire | i'm just not sure what the defualt is, hrm |
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| 05:54.31 | cladhaire | my addon works tho =) |
| 05:56.11 | Fin | Cairenn|afk: I think the penny-wise thing would apply to most people using addons period, a lot of the time :) |
| 05:56.53 | Fin | although personally I think fiddling with extra tools is fun and another part of the game in a way |
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| 06:11.07 | Tierrie | hey anyone know how i can create a "padding" in a EditBox? |
| 06:11.28 | Fin | Tierrie: stick a transparent frame around it |
| 06:11.36 | Tierrie | or do i need to emulate a border somehow with encapsulated frames |
| 06:11.38 | Fin | s/frame/border/ |
| 06:12.39 | Tierrie | i have a border around it, but the editbox is overwriting the fontstring |
| 06:12.54 | Tierrie | which means the "padding" is like 0 |
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| 06:36.28 | cladhaire | woot, first draft of LightHeaded done |
| 06:36.31 | cladhaire | night all |
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| 08:17.16 | tedrock | ok [target=mouseover,help] for people that i can help |
| 08:17.22 | tedrock | what about people i can harm... is it harm? |
| 08:17.36 | kneeki | use harm? |
| 08:17.39 | batrick | you should read the 2.0 change thread |
| 08:17.42 | batrick | :P |
| 08:17.48 | tedrock | reading |
| 08:17.51 | tedrock | who has time to read |
| 08:17.56 | tedrock | im playign wow! |
| 08:17.59 | batrick | those who care to learn |
| 08:18.09 | tedrock | i just learned by asking |
| 08:18.14 | batrick | and if you don't care to learn, then you really don't belong in this channel :P |
| 08:18.18 | tedrock | what is the url for this thread |
| 08:18.25 | tedrock | easy now |
| 08:18.33 | tedrock | i'm in this channel because i do like to learn |
| 08:18.38 | tedrock | and i ask questions to learn as well |
| 08:18.44 | batrick | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=64187212&sid=1 |
| 08:18.51 | tedrock | if i hadn't ahve aske di wouldn't even have know aobut this forum |
| 08:19.03 | tedrock | thanks |
| 08:19.18 | batrick | that's fine, but you can answer your own question by reading the thread I directed you to. Instead you were a smart ass :) |
| 08:21.40 | tedrock | something i don't see on there how do you mix a modifier with the target command |
| 08:22.13 | tedrock | [modifier:ctrl target=mouseover,help] |
| 08:22.15 | tedrock | like that |
| 08:22.22 | tedrock | i used to know but i lost the macro that had it |
| 08:22.35 | batrick | yes, but put a comma after ctrl |
| 08:22.52 | tedrock | ok |
| 08:23.21 | tedrock | ty |
| 08:23.28 | batrick | np |
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| 08:25.04 | tedrock | so in theory... "/cast [modifier,ctrl target=mouseover,help] Earth Shock(Rank 1); Earth Shock" could cast earth shock on my target or if i moused over someone i could hurt and hit ctrl and the bind it would earth shock who i moused over? |
| 08:25.18 | batrick | no |
| 08:25.22 | tedrock | oh |
| 08:25.28 | Nom- | No, they're conditions |
| 08:25.38 | tedrock | ? |
| 08:25.42 | batrick | damn it |
| 08:25.46 | Nom- | , = AND ; / = OR |
| 08:25.47 | batrick | sec |
| 08:26.06 | tedrock | and change help to harm im there |
| 08:26.08 | batrick | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:26.13 | batrick | no semicolon either |
| 08:26.24 | batrick | err wait |
| 08:26.29 | batrick | ya the semicolon is correct |
| 08:26.34 | batrick | if yoiu have Earth Shock after it |
| 08:26.36 | batrick | like you do |
| 08:26.38 | tedrock | the semicolon is if the modifier isn't heald down |
| 08:26.51 | tedrock | it would do highest rank earth shock |
| 08:27.07 | tedrock | i use "/cast [modifier:ctrl] Earth Shock(Rank 1); Earth Shock" right now |
| 08:27.08 | batrick | yes but i see a potential problem you might not |
| 08:27.34 | tedrock | i wanted to make it so i could just mouse over someone to also level 1 shock them to stop a spell cast |
| 08:27.38 | tedrock | without losing my current target |
| 08:27.41 | batrick | if you have target=mouseover, then you may have odd things happen if you don't have anyone mouseover'd or if you are mouse'ing over a different enemy and you want to earthsock rank 1 your target |
| 08:27.59 | Nom- | you'd have to do something like |
| 08:28.06 | tedrock | i could just edit my healing macro |
| 08:28.27 | tedrock | /cast [target=mouseover,help] Lesser Healing Wave; [target=target,help] Healing Wave; [target=targettarget,help] Healing Wave; [target=player] Lesser Healing Wave |
| 08:28.30 | Nom- | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:28.55 | tedrock | sweet maybe you can help me fix my healing macro. i liek that idea |
| 08:28.57 | tedrock | of the or |
| 08:29.14 | Nom- | you can / combine as much as you like in target |
| 08:29.23 | Nom- | it *should* match whichever one first |
| 08:31.06 | batrick | your healing macro looks fine... what's wrong with it? |
| 08:31.33 | Nom- | It's just shortenting it...you should be able to condense that |
| 08:31.41 | tedrock | that's what i was thinkin |
| 08:31.57 | tedrock | also i had an option to hold alt and it would just heal me bypassing verything |
| 08:32.00 | Nom- | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:32.00 | tedrock | but that won't work |
| 08:32.02 | tedrock | everything |
| 08:32.24 | Nom- | I *believe* that would work |
| 08:32.30 | tedrock | mosue over has to be lesser. it's so i cna do quick flash heals |
| 08:32.34 | tedrock | so it would be a little different |
| 08:32.42 | batrick | Nom-, that will only work if he has self cast on |
| 08:32.54 | batrick | but you could just put |
| 08:33.10 | batrick | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:33.11 | batrick | ? |
| 08:33.19 | batrick | unless you want the lesser healing wave bit |
| 08:33.35 | Nom- | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:33.39 | batrick | then you'll need to put "; [target=player] Lesser Healing Wave |
| 08:33.58 | batrick | nom |
| 08:34.05 | batrick | that'll never get to the second part |
| 08:34.08 | tedrock | what's with the /player,help on the mouse over part? |
| 08:34.11 | batrick | player will always be castable on |
| 08:34.21 | tedrock | /cast [target=mouseover,help] Lesser Healing Wave; [target=target,help/targettarget,help,player] Healing Wave; |
| 08:34.27 | Nom- | bleh true, reverse them |
| 08:34.30 | tedrock | err |
| 08:34.36 | tedrock | the laasst , is suppsoed to be a / |
| 08:34.40 | Nom- | yeah, you'd have to put mouseover as well i suppose |
| 08:34.42 | Nom- | *shrug* |
| 08:35.02 | tedrock | /cast [target=mouseover,help] Lesser Healing Wave; [target=target,help/targettarget,help/player] Healing Wave; |
| 08:35.13 | batrick | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:35.31 | batrick | meh |
| 08:35.43 | batrick | tedrock, when you condense these you lose a lot of freedom |
| 08:36.02 | batrick | unless you need more space in your macro, i suggest leaving it the way you have it |
| 08:36.17 | tedrock | well i can leave it the way i had it |
| 08:36.37 | tedrock | the problem is i added a modifier to do lesser healing on me and it would never work |
| 08:36.51 | batrick | you'll want to put that first |
| 08:36.55 | Nom- | You'd have to put it at the start yeah |
| 08:37.12 | batrick | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:37.14 | tedrock | if i put it at the start it wouldn't break the macro |
| 08:37.22 | Nom- | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:37.31 | batrick | lol |
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| 08:38.04 | batrick | do you mean you put it at the start and it broke the macro? |
| 08:38.07 | Nom- | Except I can't spell modifier or Healing correctly |
| 08:38.17 | Nom- | Probably means you FUBAR something |
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| 08:38.34 | tedrock | it would |
| 08:38.41 | tedrock | but i may have massed up something |
| 08:38.48 | batrick | probably :P |
| 08:38.53 | tedrock | ouch |
| 08:38.56 | batrick | link your macro as it "broken" |
| 08:39.12 | batrick | s/as it/as it is |
| 08:39.19 | Bleeter | well of course |
| 08:39.31 | Bleeter | hence he corrected himself stating he can't spell modifier or healing |
| 08:39.52 | batrick | Bleeter, ? |
| 08:41.11 | Bleeter | I presume 'link your macro as it is "broken"' means 'hey, nom-, that macro you posted is broken'. if so, then Nom-'s statement 'Except I can't spell modifier or Healing correctly' is appropriate |
| 08:41.35 | batrick | i was talking to tedrock |
| 08:41.41 | tedrock | ? |
| 08:41.47 | batrick | link your macro as it "broken" |
| 08:42.02 | batrick | you said it doesn't work when you put the modifier part to heal yourself in |
| 08:42.04 | batrick | link it |
| 08:42.08 | batrick | er paste it |
| 08:42.28 | tedrock | i got rid of the modifier part to fix it |
| 08:42.33 | tedrock | so it wasn't broken anymore |
| 08:42.39 | tedrock | and that's what i posted at the start |
| 08:42.48 | tedrock | /cast [modifier:alt, target=player] Lesser Healing Wave; [target=mouseover,help] Lesser Healing Wave; [target=target,help/targettarget,help/player] Healing Wave |
| 08:42.51 | tedrock | what am i doing wrong here |
| 08:42.52 | Bleeter | normally if referring to someone's paste code, lack of an address (in this case 'tedrock: link...') would indicate you're referring to the last person who pasted code to the discussion |
| 08:42.56 | Bleeter | but nm |
| 08:43.49 | batrick | Bleeter, Nom- was trying to help fix the code, him linking his "broken macro" wouldn't make sense |
| 08:44.04 | tedrock | ok well what i just posted is broken |
| 08:44.07 | tedrock | why |
| 08:44.10 | batrick | one second |
| 08:44.45 | tedrock | th emodifier part works |
| 08:44.49 | tedrock | mouse over does not |
| 08:45.31 | tedrock | having no one selected. does nto work. having someone else selecting works, having em selected does not. so i woudl assume the/player part is broken |
| 08:45.37 | tedrock | does it need /player,help ? |
| 08:46.08 | batrick | [target=target,help/targettarget,help/player] Healing Wave |
| 08:46.10 | batrick | is incorrect |
| 08:46.29 | batrick | you should have: [target=target/targettarget/player,help] |
| 08:47.25 | tedrock | /cast [modifier:alt, target=player] Lesser Healing Wave; [target=mouseover,help] Lesser Healing Wave; [target=target/targettarget/player,help] Healing Wave |
| 08:47.44 | batrick | works? |
| 08:48.00 | tedrock | nope |
| 08:48.02 | tedrock | same as before |
| 08:48.12 | batrick | does it work with a modifier? |
| 08:48.14 | batrick | as in |
| 08:48.15 | batrick | alt |
| 08:49.06 | tedrock | modifier works, mousing over a random works, selecting random works. having no one selected or moused does nothing (should heal me) mousing over my toon does nothing (don't know if it would anyway) mousing over my pic at the top works |
| 08:49.47 | batrick | mousing over your toon wouldn't work |
| 08:49.59 | tedrock | didn't think it would |
| 08:50.01 | tedrock | doesnt' need to |
| 08:50.07 | tedrock | i don't plan on mousing over me |
| 08:50.11 | batrick | :P |
| 08:50.13 | tedrock | that's what hte modifier is for |
| 08:52.02 | batrick | Nom-, are you sure that [target=target/player,help] is valid? |
| 08:52.08 | batrick | i've never seen that before |
| 08:52.33 | tedrock | i could seperate target=player onto its own |
| 08:52.50 | tedrock | at least im still making targettarget and target smaller |
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| 08:53.20 | tedrock | odd when did he leave |
| 08:53.35 | tedrock | oh nm. ghost |
| 08:53.51 | batrick | tedrock, i don't think that works |
| 08:54.09 | batrick | you'll need to seperate target=unit into it's own part for each unit |
| 08:54.14 | tedrock | i gues si fi have self cast on i don't even need target player |
| 08:54.17 | batrick | I don't see any documenation that says it's valid |
| 08:54.22 | Nom_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:54.24 | Nom_ | boo :( |
| 08:54.27 | Nom_ | stupid power failures |
| 08:54.35 | batrick | Nom-, are you sure that [target=target/player,help] is valid? |
| 08:54.45 | tedrock | nom are you in ontario? it's storming crazy here |
| 08:54.50 | Nom_ | batrick: No, I don't have my WoW client to try it in |
| 08:54.55 | Nom_ | tedrock: Perth, Australia... |
| 08:54.56 | batrick | ya :P |
| 08:55.03 | Nom_ | It's a little overcast here too |
| 08:55.04 | batrick | tedrock, just seperate them |
| 08:55.29 | tedrock | Message: ..\FrameXML\ChatFrame.lua line 893: |
| 08:55.29 | Nom_ | It's going to be a cold trip home |
| 08:55.29 | Nom_ | I left my jacket at home lol |
| 08:55.59 | Nom_ | Didn't think i'd need it...after all, Summer only just finished here |
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| 08:56.30 | batrick | ya Nom, that doesn't work just fyi |
| 08:56.38 | Nom_ | Fair enough, batrick :) |
| 08:56.57 | Nom_ | ok well bbs |
| 08:57.04 | Nom_ | going to make the trip home before it cools down even more |
| 08:57.22 | Nom_ | It's 21 degrees atm, and that's rather cold at 100KMh down the freeway :/ |
| 09:00.24 | tedrock | ty for the help |
| 09:02.00 | batrick | p |
| 09:02.03 | batrick | np* |
| 09:02.56 | tedrock | here's one last good one for ya. it's for a hunter friend |
| 09:03.33 | tedrock | how would you make a macro feed your pet a certain item in a specified bag slot |
| 09:05.35 | tedrock | as well could you do it in a cast sequence |
| 09:06.27 | tedrock | so like, /castsequence rez pet, feed pet bag2,slot7 or something |
| 09:07.03 | batrick | you would use: |
| 09:07.06 | batrick | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:07.12 | batrick | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:07.32 | batrick | which I got btw from doing searching "feed" in http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=64187212&sid=1 |
| 09:07.33 | batrick | :P |
| 09:08.00 | tedrock | so i couldn't put that in a cast sequence with a rez pet at the start hten |
| 09:08.03 | batrick | if you insist on bag and bagslot |
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| 09:08.12 | batrick | you would do: /use <bag> <bagslot> |
| 09:08.27 | batrick | nope :P |
| 09:08.36 | tedrock | damn |
| 09:08.48 | batrick | but |
| 09:08.50 | tedrock | i gues si could make rez on a modifier in the macro |
| 09:08.51 | batrick | you could ... |
| 09:09.00 | batrick | put /stopmacro [pet] after the castsequence |
| 09:09.05 | batrick | and it would effectively work |
| 09:09.14 | tedrock | hrmm? |
| 09:09.18 | tedrock | explain |
| 09:09.19 | batrick | use this: |
| 09:09.29 | batrick | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:09.40 | batrick | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:09.52 | batrick | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:10.04 | batrick | voila :) |
| 09:10.07 | tedrock | woah. i didn't know you could use some ifs like that |
| 09:10.21 | batrick | :P |
| 09:10.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | you don't even need to do /use bag bagslot |
| 09:10.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | you can do like /use Roasted Quail |
| 09:10.41 | batrick | Mr_Rabies, read his original question |
| 09:10.46 | batrick | :P |
| 09:11.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | ah okay |
| 09:11.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | for most situations the name's probably a better option |
| 09:12.02 | batrick | you should condense the cast part into /cast [nopet] Revive Pet; Feed Pet |
| 09:12.14 | batrick | Mr_Rabies, I agree |
| 09:12.19 | Fin | can I just say thank you very much for that great overview of macros |
| 09:12.29 | Fin | I'm saving the conversation |
| 09:12.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm tempted to get some david lynch signature coffee but i'm afraid its laced with hallucinogens or something |
| 09:12.33 | batrick | lol |
| 09:12.47 | batrick | Fin, you're welcome |
| 09:13.10 | Fin | you should write it up into a doc, stick it on the web somewhere |
| 09:13.26 | batrick | it's all over the UI forums lol |
| 09:13.36 | Fin | I know, but I hate using the official forums |
| 09:14.26 | Fin | they're slow, the search sucks, a lot of the time they just plain don't work, there's two of them (EU and US) so information is split, they've even managed to make it slow on the client side with shitty js |
| 09:14.31 | Fin | and posts disappear |
| 09:14.50 | tedrock | /cast [modifer:ctrl,target=mouseover/target,harm] Earth Shock (Rank 1); Earth Shock |
| 09:14.52 | tedrock | doesn't work |
| 09:15.05 | batrick | that's because |
| 09:15.07 | Fin | also, just generally about forums, reading through 60 page threads is... tedious sometimes :) |
| 09:15.08 | batrick | as we established earlier |
| 09:15.13 | batrick | target=unit/unit |
| 09:15.15 | batrick | doesn't work :P |
| 09:15.16 | batrick | lol |
| 09:15.19 | tedrock | oh right |
| 09:15.21 | tedrock | damn |
| 09:15.41 | batrick | Fin, they're in the stickies |
| 09:15.44 | batrick | lol |
| 09:16.34 | Fin | batrick: the slow servers which aren't always up and the shitty client side js and the split information is still true |
| 09:17.12 | batrick | I didn't say it wasn't |
| 09:17.19 | Fin | it's very poor, there's no excuse - running forums isn't that hard even with the amount of people using them that Blizzard has to deal with |
| 09:17.30 | Fin | I didn't say you didn't say it wasn't :P |
| 09:17.31 | tedrock | /cast [modifer:ctrl,target=mouseover] Earth Shock (Rank 1); [modifer:ctrl,target=target,harm] Earth Shock (Rank 1); Earth Shock |
| 09:17.35 | tedrock | i would have to do that? |
| 09:17.50 | tedrock | ad a ,harm to the end of mouse over |
| 09:17.55 | batrick | The web developer is pretty bad, text runs off my browser's window all the time |
| 09:18.26 | tedrock | /cast [modifer:ctrl,target=mouseover,harm] Earth Shock (Rank 1); [modifer:ctrl,target=target,harm] Earth Shock (Rank 1); Earth Shock |
| 09:18.46 | Fin | I'd really like to be in a position where I can help fix some of that stuff! |
| 09:18.49 | batrick | Looks fine tedrock |
| 09:18.57 | tedrock | oh i guess the spaces before (rank 1) need to be removed for tha to work |
| 09:19.59 | batrick | tedrock, for the second part |
| 09:20.03 | batrick | harm is unnecessary |
| 09:20.09 | batrick | either way, it's going to attempt to cast earth shock :P |
| 09:20.14 | batrick | and you'll get an error message |
| 09:20.15 | batrick | unless |
| 09:20.21 | batrick | you put harm for the last part as well |
| 09:21.25 | batrick | Fin, I hope you get the position |
| 09:21.27 | tedrock | /cast [modifer:ctrl,target=mouseover,harm] Earth Shock(Rank 1); [modifer:ctrl,target=target] Earth Shock(Rank 1); Earth Shock |
| 09:21.28 | batrick | :) |
| 09:21.37 | tedrock | no workie |
| 09:21.43 | batrick | lol |
| 09:21.48 | Fin | batrick: why thank you! |
| 09:22.19 | batrick | tedrock, you have an amazing ability to make macro creation difficult lol |
| 09:22.25 | tedrock | i know :D |
| 09:22.41 | batrick | what doesn't happen/work? |
| 09:22.50 | tedrock | weeeeell |
| 09:23.05 | tedrock | when i press it nothing happens. the button flashes, doesnt' go to a broken icon |
| 09:23.15 | tedrock | just flashes with no error, or any feed back |
| 09:23.18 | batrick | are you targetting a hostile?... |
| 09:23.24 | tedrock | mmmmhmmm |
| 09:23.31 | batrick | are you holding ctrl? |
| 09:23.41 | batrick | o |
| 09:23.42 | batrick | duh |
| 09:23.44 | batrick | you could |
| 09:23.45 | tedrock | starving helboar |
| 09:23.49 | batrick | spell modifiercorrectly :P |
| 09:23.56 | batrick | :D |
| 09:24.00 | tedrock | i guess that would help |
| 09:24.04 | batrick | just a tad |
| 09:24.46 | Corrodias | it's sort of interesting how firefox has apparently kept a record of EVERY google search i have ever made via the search bar |
| 09:25.00 | batrick | firefox ftl? |
| 09:25.53 | tedrock | yay works |
| 09:26.27 | tedrock | sweet and i can have one target selectd and shock the other |
| 09:26.53 | tedrock | now to apply this to my purge macro :D |
| 09:27.09 | batrick | tedrock that is a really good Idea... i'm going to have to do that for counterspell now that I'm thinking about it :) |
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| 09:27.25 | tedrock | oh it's a lovely idea |
| 09:27.31 | tedrock | mouse over is a great way to get some stuf fodne |
| 09:27.55 | tedrock | i actually made a macro for my lightning bolt |
| 09:27.59 | tedrock | all it is is 2 lines |
| 09:28.07 | tedrock | /startattack |
| 09:28.12 | tedrock | /cast lighning bolt |
| 09:28.20 | batrick | dunno how often i'll use it... i bound tab targetting to one of my mouse buttons, so as long as there are not a horde of enemies in front of me (pun intended)... I just change targets and CS |
| 09:28.34 | tedrock | it made more sense when i was enhancement |
| 09:29.10 | batrick | I would put startattack in one of my spell macros but I would probably accidently break a sheep lol |
| 09:29.59 | tedrock | well it would only startattack the target. so as long as you dont make a polly macro with /startattack i tihnk your ok |
| 09:30.25 | batrick | hmm |
| 09:30.31 | batrick | I could just put stopattack in my poly macro |
| 09:30.34 | batrick | maybe i'll do that |
| 09:30.39 | tedrock | yah |
| 09:30.43 | tedrock | see on my shocks i have this |
| 09:30.46 | batrick | who knows, that extra 6 sword dmg may make the difference :) |
| 09:31.31 | tedrock | /startattack |
| 09:31.36 | tedrock | /stopcasting |
| 09:31.57 | tedrock | /cast [modifier:ctrl,target=mouseover,harm] Earth Shock(Rank 1); [modifier:ctrl,target=target] Earth Shock(Rank 1); Earth Shock |
| 09:31.59 | Corrodias | /stopattack /startcasting >:o |
| 09:32.22 | tedrock | i have start attack incase i'm not already in attack with them |
| 09:32.29 | tedrock | i have stop casting incase i'm casting a spell |
| 09:32.32 | tedrock | and then it shocks them |
| 09:32.41 | tedrock | so it's instant |
| 09:32.50 | Corrodias | that /startattack is going to have you attacking your current target even if it's sheeped and you only wanted to earth shock your mouseover |
| 09:33.15 | tedrock | well i highly doubt i'd ever have a sheep as my target |
| 09:33.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh lawd corr |
| 09:33.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | /b/ is no longer forcedanon |
| 09:33.45 | tedrock | normally i'm using my /assist target macro anyway so i can assist the tank |
| 09:33.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | i bet it'll be back to forcedanon after 23M get though :[ |
| 09:36.34 | tedrock | thanks for all the help people |
| 09:36.37 | tedrock | i'm goin to sleep |
| 09:38.28 | batrick | night |
| 09:43.42 | batrick | ugh |
| 09:43.45 | batrick | armory is so terrible |
| 09:44.00 | batrick | whoever made it should be shot for their overwhelming ineptitude |
| 09:45.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | why's that |
| 09:45.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | @_@ |
| 09:46.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | it just -works- for me, i've had no problems since the first day's DNS troubles were over |
| 09:46.27 | nuoHep | everyone can see my *private* info. ohnoes |
| 09:47.06 | Corrodias | works fine from what i can tell |
| 09:47.13 | batrick | slowest database search I've ever encountered, and loads slow as hell |
| 09:47.28 | batrick | which go hand and hand i suppose |
| 09:47.36 | Corrodias | i have not noticed that at all. perhaps this is an issue limited to yourself. |
| 09:48.06 | batrick | doubt it |
| 09:48.08 | batrick | but a possibility |
| 09:49.25 | tedrock | i use armor when i'm doing pvp |
| 09:49.40 | tedrock | i look up osmeone befor ei gank them to see their weakness |
| 09:49.54 | tedrock | that's just mean :P |
| 09:50.46 | Corrodias | lol |
| 09:51.22 | tedrock | it's pretty sweet though. knowing what they are wearing and even what spec they are |
| 09:51.45 | Corrodias | i do hope you're joking. it seems a silly thing. |
| 09:52.13 | Corrodias | unless perhaps you're on a pvp realm and hunt individual people for several minutes at a time |
| 09:52.40 | tedrock | pvp realm and normally i do it if i'm camping someone or feeling more hate for them then most |
| 09:52.56 | tedrock | or if they are completely owning me and i wanna know why |
| 09:54.49 | tedrock | having an addon that taps into the armory data base would be kinda scary/cool. you could basicly inspect the enemy... from any distance |
| 09:54.56 | tedrock | and even know their spec |
| 09:56.25 | Corrodias | will that significantly affect your method of attack? |
| 09:56.53 | tedrock | probably not a lot |
| 09:56.57 | tedrock | but it never hurts to know |
| 09:57.00 | Corrodias | arr |
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| 10:19.30 | Corrodias | okay, i really like the way cartographer's resource node tracking modules worok |
| 10:19.33 | Corrodias | *work |
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| 10:34.30 | Cide | hi |
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| 11:05.44 | Bleeter | Mr_Rabies2: http://youtube.com/watch?v=yfh7tSYVQdU << the rather awesome Bill Bailey (tho part 10 has no sound :( ) |
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| 11:42.26 | wobin | ~seen joshborke |
| 11:43.14 | purl | joshborke <n=Josh@r35h14.res.gatech.edu> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 9h 22m 16s ago, saying: 'night all'. |
| 11:43.41 | batrick | wow |
| 11:43.43 | batrick | purl rocks |
| 11:43.48 | purl | you bet your perl modules I do! |
| 11:43.54 | batrick | ... |
| 11:44.09 | batrick | purl wins |
| 11:44.11 | purl | well, wins is the Windows Internet Naming Service |
| 11:44.11 | batrick | ...??? |
| 11:44.16 | batrick | HAHA |
| 11:44.34 | batrick | purl hug purl |
| 11:44.36 | purl | ACTION hugs purl tightly until purl turns slightly blue |
| 11:44.58 | SunTiger | purl lart purl |
| 11:44.58 | purl | chops suntiger in half with a free AOL CD |
| 11:45.06 | SunTiger | :( |
| 11:45.34 | batrick | lolz |
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| 12:16.40 | *** topic/#wowi-lounge is Paste Code Here: http://wowi.pastey.net/ Did you hear about the guy whose whole left side was cut off? He's all right now. |
| 12:17.12 | [dRaCo] | he. |
| 12:17.21 | [dRaCo] | but I gotta admit it's funny |
| 12:19.25 | Fin | cladhaire: I am narrowing my eyes at you |
| 12:19.38 | cladhaire | for why? |
| 12:20.11 | Fin | cladhaire: bah, I know it's technically text-only, but you know what I mean :P |
| 12:21.06 | cladhaire | ;-) |
| 12:21.15 | cladhaire | well lynx will happily make it readable :P |
| 12:21.25 | Fin | and it doesn't work without all the extra gumpf |
| 12:21.29 | Fin | you can't browse it properly |
| 12:21.32 | Fin | (btw :) |
| 12:21.35 | cladhaire | i know ;-) |
| 12:21.48 | cladhaire | justy being a pain :P |
| 12:21.55 | Fin | yes, yes I noticed :P |
| 12:22.10 | Fin | heh |
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| 12:50.29 | cladhaire | Hrm.. any good ideas of how to wrap lines in the ItemRefToolitp? |
| 12:50.31 | cladhaire | *ponder* |
| 12:52.23 | Elkano | cladhaire, got your mail :) but your "show bindings in tooltip" is somehow broken... bindngs show up multiple times |
| 12:53.06 | cladhaire | probably =) |
| 12:53.23 | Elkano | so it's a known bug? k |
| 12:54.36 | cladhaire | yeah, its an experimental feature |
| 12:54.36 | cladhaire | =) |
| 12:55.02 | cladhaire | night all, see you when I get back to New York |
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| 13:10.46 | JoshBorke | i like the snow one |
| 13:11.58 | sysrage | i like both :) |
| 13:12.08 | Cairenn|afk | awwww http://www.dropline.net/cats/images/happycat2.jpg |
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| 13:20.18 | JoshBorke | i like the one "IM IN UR AKOUNT SHARDING UR PURPLZ" |
| 13:20.37 | Cairenn|afk | hehehe |
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| 16:11.01 | Nom_ | wooot |
| 16:11.06 | Nom_ | cleared Wizard of Oz |
| 16:11.13 | Nom_ | Had a good try at Curator too :P |
| 16:13.52 | sysrage | we finally dropped maiden last night |
| 16:17.58 | Nom- | Anyone know where I can find a Karazhan map? |
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| 16:17.59 | Nom- | Wow Cartographe doesn't seem to know about Karazhan :( |
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| 16:24.10 | Elkano | it does... looked at eastern kingdom? |
| 16:28.59 | Nom- | Yeah, it's not showing up in the list at all |
| 16:29.06 | Nom- | Like you can see the location, but there's no map |
| 16:30.17 | Nom- | Looking at the list now, it goes (ordered by name) IronForge, Loch Modan, Maraudon |
| 16:30.20 | Nom- | :( |
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| 16:32.03 | Nom- | oh well, i improvised with MSpaint |
| 16:34.21 | Elkano | you should look in the instance section ^^ |
| 16:34.43 | Elkano | since it's a dungeon and not a zone |
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| 16:41.33 | Nom- | Yeah, I did |
| 16:41.47 | Nom- | I'm talking about WoW Catographe, not the Cartographer thing ingame |
| 16:41.56 | Nom- | There is only one list |
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| 16:51.16 | Nom- | Any warlocks about? |
| 16:51.30 | Nom- | Wondering if they get any talents which give them a % to not lose casting time |
| 16:51.34 | Nom- | On Searing pain mainly |
| 16:51.37 | sysrage | alphamap has kara |
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| 16:52.26 | Nom- | sysrage: Yeah, I wasn't talking about ingame |
| 16:52.42 | Nom- | WoW Cartographe is an out-of-game map browser |
| 16:52.52 | sysrage | oh |
| 16:53.37 | Nom- | It's really useful when you're trying to map out strategies |
| 16:53.51 | Nom- | because the maps look like the rooms you're fighting in (they're the images you see on the minmap) |
| 16:54.14 | sysrage | looks nice except it's in french :P |
| 16:54.47 | Nom- | There's an english web site, and english database for it |
| 16:54.51 | sysrage | :) |
| 16:55.07 | Nom- | http://tixu.scribe.free.fr/indexen.php |
| 16:55.27 | Nom- | It's pretty darn useful except for the missing maps thing |
| 16:55.47 | sysrage | make one :P |
| 16:58.02 | Industrial | Nom-: how do i make Cartographe NOT display things like veined/herbs/thing si dont need at that time ? |
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| 17:00.41 | Nom- | well it lets you actually search for objects |
| 17:01.00 | Nom- | So that'd be the way to go...just search for what you want |
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| 17:01.21 | Industrial | k |
| 17:04.29 | Nom- | lol just found an awesome combo for a warlock to drain tank the adds on Curator :P |
| 17:04.54 | Nom- | affliction lock + drain life + concentration aura = reliable aggro |
| 17:05.22 | Cide | hunter > all though |
| 17:05.32 | Nom- | for dps yes |
| 17:05.37 | Cide | for reliable aggro |
| 17:05.39 | Nom- | not for pulling them off the group |
| 17:05.40 | Shirik | psh |
| 17:05.44 | Cide | why not? |
| 17:05.47 | Shirik | hunters are always > all |
| 17:05.48 | Cide | deals more damage |
| 17:05.52 | Nom- | Hunter can't hold aggro once they're in melee range |
| 17:05.52 | Cide | not interruptable |
| 17:06.00 | Cide | oh yes, they can |
| 17:06.03 | Cide | besides |
| 17:06.05 | Shirik | a good hunter knows how to stay out of melee range anyway :P |
| 17:06.07 | Cide | why would you even have to? |
| 17:06.15 | Nom- | not against these things anyway Shirik |
| 17:06.26 | Shirik | don't even know what you're talking about tbh :P |
| 17:06.28 | Nom- | Besides, putting a hunter on tank duty means we lose out highest range dps |
| 17:06.30 | Cide | 41 yards takes some time to travel |
| 17:06.32 | Industrial | asdfsadf turtle pets suck ass. |
| 17:06.35 | Cide | the mob is dead when it reaches the hunter |
| 17:06.51 | Nom- | Cide: The adds on curator spawn every 10 seconds and have 13k health |
| 17:06.53 | Industrial | this thing eats SO much and i cant even feed it meat :< |
| 17:06.56 | Nom- | And they won't be at max range |
| 17:06.58 | Cide | Nom-, oh really |
| 17:07.03 | Nom- | And they need to be picked up immediately |
| 17:07.03 | Cide | I have never done the encounter |
| 17:07.35 | Nom- | they don't really need high dps |
| 17:07.40 | Nom- | we just need to pull the adds away from the group |
| 17:07.41 | Cide | 38 +- 3 yards |
| 17:08.02 | Nom- | once they're away from the group, we have 2 other range dps that can knock them out fast |
| 17:08.03 | Cide | which a hunter is always faster at than a warlock |
| 17:08.14 | Cide | while doing more dps |
| 17:08.19 | Nom- | The adds have a 10 yard damage which does 200dps |
| 17:08.24 | Mike-N-Go | I sold a Shadowfang for 154G, lol. |
| 17:08.31 | Nom- | So having them next to everyone else is bad |
| 17:08.34 | Cide | oh? I wasn't aware |
| 17:08.41 | Cide | that's why you place the hunter away from everyone else |
| 17:08.56 | Nom- | Yeah, we tried it |
| 17:09.06 | Nom- | We couldn't dps them down fast enough without the hunter at range |
| 17:09.13 | Cide | at range? |
| 17:09.25 | Cide | you have the hunter at max range, that's the whole point |
| 17:09.32 | Nom- | Yeah, our hunter is BM spec i think....he can't do jack dps at melee range |
| 17:09.41 | Cide | they don't reach melee range |
| 17:09.53 | Nom- | hehe you don't know the fight :) |
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| 17:09.59 | Cide | .............. |
| 17:10.06 | Cide | are you retarded? honestly |
| 17:10.08 | Nom- | basically all the "other" dps is bunched up near the boss |
| 17:10.16 | Cide | that's horrible placement |
| 17:10.32 | Nom- | the mobs spawn near the boss and attack a random target |
| 17:10.49 | Cide | look, Nom- |
| 17:10.49 | Nom- | the whole idea of the adds tank in this fight is to pul them away from the group, so they're standing opposite everyone else |
| 17:10.58 | Cide | we have three groups running karazhan |
| 17:11.03 | Cide | every group has beat nightbane |
| 17:11.08 | Cide | I know the fight, ok? |
| 17:11.27 | Nom- | Nightbane is right before Curator |
| 17:11.33 | Nom- | So your groups are stuck on Curator too? |
| 17:11.34 | zenzelezz | eh? |
| 17:11.40 | Cide | nightbane takes killing prince malchezaar |
| 17:11.44 | Nom- | meh, we only got there for a first try tonight anyway |
| 17:11.45 | nevcairiel | nightbane is optional |
| 17:11.57 | nevcairiel | you can do it whenever you please, once you unlocked the backdoor |
| 17:12.04 | Cide | provided you do the quest |
| 17:12.08 | nevcairiel | true |
| 17:12.30 | Industrial | Maybe I should try a crokolisk instead.. elite 38 pet hmm im 38.. think I could tame one without it demolishing me completely? |
| 17:12.49 | Cide | ok, Nom-, look |
| 17:12.53 | zenzelezz | can't you get a friendly mage to sheep it Industrial? |
| 17:12.54 | Nom- | But still, cide...the whole point of the adds tank for Curator (our strat at least) is to get all the adds away from everyone else, then the hunter can dps the crap out of htem |
| 17:12.54 | Cide | to summon nightbane |
| 17:13.34 | Mike-N-Go | Industrial: Lay a freezing trap to pull it over, then hit it with SS if you have it, or Convulsive if you don't, then tame. |
| 17:13.38 | Nom- | our only mistake tonight was putting the hunter in charge of adds tanking, because they couldn't get enough shots in |
| 17:14.01 | Industrial | Mike-N-Go: I got it :D |
| 17:14.12 | Cide | Nom-: have you killed nightbane? |
| 17:14.21 | Industrial | Mike-N-Go: the elite ones in STV |
| 17:14.26 | Nom- | no, we're not summoning him yet |
| 17:14.33 | Cide | Nom-: have you killed Shade of Aran? |
| 17:14.34 | Nom- | Curator is upstairs past the summoning point |
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| 17:14.43 | Nom- | The're after Curator iirc |
| 17:14.49 | Cide | Nom-: have you killed Shade of Aran? |
| 17:15.06 | Nom- | No, as i said, he's after Curator i believe |
| 17:15.08 | JoshBorke | you just shine a light on him and he disappears |
| 17:15.14 | Cide | yes, yes he is |
| 17:15.22 | Cide | Shade of Aran must be killed in order to summon Nightbane |
| 17:15.28 | Cide | so no, we're not stuck on Curator |
| 17:16.23 | Nom- | Well, the strat i just described (warlock holding aggro occross the hall from everyone else) is almost exactly what WoWWiki suggests |
| 17:16.27 | Cide | you're on a boss we killed something like a month ago, so I really want to stress that fact that I *have* done this fight |
| 17:16.31 | Nom- | Now, granted, their strats are not always ideal |
| 17:16.57 | Nom- | But it seems a much better idea than a hunter picking up adds at point blank range |
| 17:17.07 | Cide | you haven't been listening |
| 17:17.15 | zenzelezz | news flash, the wiki ain't always right, and there's certainly more than one strategy to every fight |
| 17:17.15 | Cide | point blank range? hunters have up to 41 yard range |
| 17:17.49 | Nom- | Cide: You've not been listening either |
| 17:17.54 | Cide | oh yes, I have |
| 17:18.02 | JoshBorke | how could he? you are typing |
| 17:18.07 | Cide | you, however, have been telling me I'm wrong |
| 17:18.10 | Nom- | Ok, well let me reiterate since you're not getting it. |
| 17:18.16 | Nom- | Adds tank = pick up adds as soon as they spawn |
| 17:18.19 | Cide | I'm just saying you're wrong in that hunters are not viable |
| 17:18.30 | Nom- | I'm not saying they're not viable |
| 17:18.32 | Cide | I haven't said warlocks can't be used |
| 17:18.41 | Nom- | I'm saying they're not viable to the role I just described |
| 17:18.52 | Cide | oh, ok. "<Nom-> Hunter can't hold aggro once they're in melee range" |
| 17:18.55 | Nom- | which is picking up the adds as soon as they spawn to alllow the OTHER ranged dps to kill them |
| 17:19.06 | Cide | you really aren't listening |
| 17:19.12 | Cide | Arcane Shot |
| 17:19.17 | Cide | instant, deals something like 2k damage |
| 17:19.29 | Cide | picks up the mob instantly from 41 yards away |
| 17:19.41 | Cide | mob starts running towards hunter while said hunter is dpsing |
| 17:19.51 | Nom- | But the hunter can't really BE 41 yards away in this fight |
| 17:19.53 | Cide | other ranged dps lands 2-4k nukes after 2-3 seconds |
| 17:19.58 | Cide | oh, why not? |
| 17:20.01 | Nom- | Otherwise they're either out of heal range or out of range of the adds |
| 17:20.13 | Cide | they have a 41 yard range |
| 17:20.14 | zenzelezz | depends how your raid is positioned |
| 17:20.22 | Cide | how can they be out of range of the adds when they're 41 yards away? |
| 17:20.35 | Cide | and yes, depends on how your raid is positioned. |
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| 17:20.48 | Nom- | Well, yes, it does |
| 17:21.09 | Nom- | The positioning we're going with at the moment makes that not viable |
| 17:21.18 | Cide | so you're shooting yourself in the foot. |
| 17:21.25 | Cide | that's your problem, not the strategy's |
| 17:24.06 | Nom- | meh we'll see anyway |
| 17:24.14 | Nom- | We didn't really give it a fair go tonight...was too late |
| 17:24.32 | Nom- | There's always next week...i'm going to bed ^_^ |
| 17:25.01 | Nom- | We've just about got the first half on farm now, so that's good for us |
| 17:25.42 | Nom- | If we do well this week, we should clear up to and including Opera in one night :) |
| 17:25.55 | Nom- | logging now |
| 17:26.15 | Cide | ok |
| 17:26.35 | zenzelezz | my guild is still a bit hit-and-miss, can do Attument to (and including) Curator in one evening, or have a wipe night on Moroes/Maiden :-p |
| 17:26.43 | zenzelezz | Attumen |
| 17:27.30 | sysrage | that's how my guild is |
| 17:28.19 | sysrage | frustrating to easily 1 shot maiden and moroes 1 night, then next week get wtfpwned repeatedly on moroes |
| 17:28.36 | zenzelezz | hehe, yeah |
| 17:28.52 | zenzelezz | seems to depend on adds and raid setup for us, and the odd bad luck |
| 17:29.00 | Antiarc|Work | My guild has four groups running Kara in parallel, but it's a total crapshoot as to what progress is made per week |
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| 17:29.16 | zenzelezz | only two groups in mine |
| 17:29.18 | Antiarc|Work | We have one group that's cleared Kara and three groups stuck at Aran |
| 17:29.23 | zenzelezz | x.x |
| 17:29.27 | zenzelezz | I hate Aran |
| 17:30.34 | Cide | aran's the best fight in the zone :) |
| 17:30.59 | Antiarc|Work | Aran's a lot of fun, but he sucks hardcore if your group is light on melee |
| 17:31.08 | Antiarc|Work | My group has rogue/war as the only melee DPS, so...it's a struggle. |
| 17:31.26 | zenzelezz | my opinion is part based on not yet taking him... for some reason some people always manage to explode others with Flame Wreath, not matter how much we stress and shout "don't move" |
| 17:31.41 | Antiarc|Work | zenzelezz: Time to start replacing people, IMO |
| 17:31.48 | zenzelezz | if only we could |
| 17:31.48 | Antiarc|Work | If you can't avoid moving during flame wreath... |
| 17:31.51 | Antiarc|Work | Yeah. :/ |
| 17:32.23 | Cide | I usually make a mod that flashes their screen bright red |
| 17:32.27 | zenzelezz | going from 40-man to 10-man raids revealed a tendency for certain people to slack |
| 17:32.45 | Antiarc|Work | Cide: Honestly, it's not difficult to see that you're covered in fire. :/ |
| 17:32.53 | Cide | Antiarc|Work: well, yeah |
| 17:32.58 | Cide | but it's more about staying put before it |
| 17:33.04 | Cide | running while he's casting it = death |
| 17:33.05 | zenzelezz | we shout on TS to stop moving when he starts to cast it |
| 17:33.10 | Antiarc|Work | Exactly |
| 17:33.20 | Antiarc|Work | He yells, then casts, so you have TONS of time to prep. |
| 17:33.22 | Cide | we don't require vent/ts |
| 17:33.26 | zenzelezz | then we get the "but I was just <...>" |
| 17:33.27 | Antiarc|Work | We don't use vent/TS either |
| 17:33.37 | zenzelezz | I wish we didn't use TS, but guild insists |
| 17:33.49 | zenzelezz | which means that everyone uses it for an excuse to not read what is typed in raid chat |
| 17:33.57 | Antiarc|Work | We found that when we used TS, it was mostly a distraction |
| 17:34.14 | pastamancer | it's a great distraction |
| 17:34.29 | Antiarc|Work | Distractions are a problem if people can't pay attention |
| 17:35.04 | zenzelezz | in one Maiden fight the leader shouted four or five times at a paladin to move closer, and the only effect was that he moved to the back wall |
| 17:35.07 | pastamancer | well, we make sure everyone knows that "go time" is serious business |
| 17:35.11 | Shirik | TS is horrible |
| 17:35.13 | Shirik | why would you use it |
| 17:35.29 | pastamancer | chit-chat |
| 17:35.36 | Shirik | ventrilo destroys TS |
| 17:35.37 | zenzelezz | if you ignore the specific implementation, people tend to thing that voice chat is a necessity |
| 17:35.43 | Shirik | destroys. |
| 17:35.48 | Antiarc|Work | Really, what it boils down to is that in 10/25-man raids, there is no room for people to slack |
| 17:35.55 | zenzelezz | Shirik, this is clearly not a TS vs. Ventrilo debate, just general voice chat |
| 17:36.01 | Antiarc|Work | Whereas in 40-man raids, you could have 10 people slacking and riding the coattails of the other 30. |
| 17:36.12 | Cide | hence, moving from 40 man to 25/10 was the best decision blizzard has ever made |
| 17:36.15 | Shirik | I know, but I made it one :P |
| 17:36.17 | Antiarc|Work | Agreeed. |
| 17:36.17 | Cide | and I'm out, later |
| 17:36.26 | Shirik | But.... I do agree with the leaving 40-man raids |
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| 17:36.41 | Antiarc|Work | Gruul, even nerfed, doesn't work if someone is a moron and trots over to your healers before a shatter |
| 17:36.56 | zenzelezz | Shirik: I really disagree with people steering a general conversation into a typically heated this vs. that debate. It's just stupid |
| 17:37.09 | Shirik | It was a joke |
| 17:37.20 | Shirik | Anyway... |
| 17:37.23 | zenzelezz | doesn't matter, people don't think that far on IRC |
| 17:37.38 | Shirik | So, you don't use voice chat anymore in 10 mans? |
| 17:37.48 | Shirik | or 25? |
| 17:37.51 | Antiarc|Work | We used it Saturday for the first time in ages |
| 17:37.58 | Antiarc|Work | We did use it last night for Gruul, but it was just chit-chat |
| 17:37.58 | zenzelezz | if it was up to me we wouldn't. I don't use a mic anyway |
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| 17:38.03 | Antiarc|Work | All strat/direction was done in raid chat. |
| 17:38.14 | JoshBorke | i just like it so i can listen to the chicks |
| 17:38.17 | Shirik | I think it's just that people are so used ... haa |
| 17:38.21 | Antiarc|Work | We've been doing it for several years that way, so we're pretty good at it. |
| 17:38.24 | sysrage | i use voice chat for 5 mans. i'm a fast typer but it's still a lot easier to yell at somebody then type it out |
| 17:38.25 | pastamancer | it seems to me that discussing strat would take longer to type |
| 17:38.26 | Shirik | People are so used to it being needed |
| 17:38.31 | Shirik | People have forgotten how to type :P |
| 17:38.42 | pastamancer | s/forgotten/never learned/ |
| 17:39.09 | zenzelezz | my guildies must be fed up with me by now; I was the first warrior to 70 in my guild so most of them ran 5-mans with me for a while... and I've got a very short temper |
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| 18:08.26 | Mortius | hello everyone, have a quick question maybe someone here can answer. |
| 18:09.13 | Mortius | Say I have functions like mymod_party1_something, mymod_party2_something, etcc.. |
| 18:10.21 | Mortius | and I want to call the correct function with arg1, which would equal the correct partyX |
| 18:10.43 | Mortius | so something like mymod_..arg1.._something |
| 18:10.46 | Mortius | but that doesn't work |
| 18:13.05 | Mortius | I know how to do it with frames via getglobal, like getglobal(arg1.."StatusBar1):SetValue(1), etc... |
| 18:13.24 | Mortius | or with strings, but don't know how to do it with function calls. |
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| 18:13.52 | kneeki|atwork | Morning everyone |
| 18:13.57 | kneeki|atwork | purl hug kneeki|atwork |
| 18:14.18 | purl | ACTION gets a running start and tackle-hugs kneeki|atwork |
| 18:14.19 | tedr0ck | got a question about a macro. someone showed me this last night |
| 18:14.19 | tedr0ck | /cast [nopet] Revive Pet; Feed Pet |
| 18:14.19 | tedr0ck | /use [pet] <bag> <bagslot> |
| 18:14.29 | tedr0ck | you get the messsage "your target is dead |
| 18:14.35 | tedr0ck | but if he's alive it feeds him |
| 18:14.54 | kneeki|atwork | ok, is it not working the way you want, other than the error? |
| 18:15.22 | tedrock | yah |
| 18:15.37 | tedrock | also tried |
| 18:15.42 | tedrock | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:15.48 | tedrock | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:15.53 | tedrock | seperate |
| 18:16.10 | kneeki|atwork | shrugs even |
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| 18:17.12 | tedrock | if you get rid of feed pet |
| 18:17.13 | tedrock | /cast [nopet] Revive Pet |
| 18:17.18 | tedrock | doesn't even work |
| 18:18.02 | tedrock | it does nothing |
| 18:18.03 | kneeki|atwork | weird |
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| 18:20.53 | Mortius | hey kneeki, do you know how to call functions using variables? for example, if the function "mymod_party1_something" existed, and I wanted to call it using arg1, i.e.; mymod_..arg1.._something .. how would I do that? |
| 18:21.30 | kneeki|atwork | uhhh |
| 18:21.35 | kneeki|atwork | oh |
| 18:21.46 | pastamancer | I wouldn't recommend doing that |
| 18:21.52 | kneeki|atwork | yeah, me neither |
| 18:21.58 | Mortius | how come |
| 18:22.01 | kneeki|atwork | gonna give you a bunch of errors |
| 18:22.13 | kneeki|atwork | why not just use a variable in a function, and check the variable? |
| 18:22.15 | Mortius | yeah that will give an error, I'm curious how you would do it |
| 18:22.38 | Mortius | I could do it that way, yeah |
| 18:22.54 | Mortius | just have one function instead of 4 |
| 18:23.02 | pastamancer | You'd be better off making a table like: local foo = { "party1" = mymod_party1_something, ... } and then calling foo[arg1](...) |
| 18:23.03 | kneeki|atwork | i would do it like function MyModFunction(variable) |
| 18:23.04 | tedrock | is there a [petdead[ condition? |
| 18:23.16 | Mortius | gotcha pastamancer, thanks. |
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| 18:23.22 | kneeki|atwork | UnitIsDead("pet")? |
| 18:23.24 | tedrock | [nopet] only works if you are out of range of your dead pet |
| 18:23.29 | tedrock | these are macros |
| 18:23.38 | tedrock | can i use that in a macro? |
| 18:23.44 | pastamancer | while you *could* use getglobal("mymod_".. arg1 .. "_something")() it's icky |
| 18:24.54 | kneeki|atwork | aye |
| 18:24.54 | pastamancer | very icky |
| 18:24.54 | Mortius | okay I didn't realize that would work, nor that it was icky hehe |
| 18:24.54 | Mortius | thanks. :) |
| 18:24.54 | tedrock | kneeki|atwork: UnitIsDead("pet")? will that work in a macro? |
| 18:25.01 | pastamancer | generally if you find yourself wanting to use getglobal, you should take a step back and see if there isn't a better way to do it |
| 18:25.01 | Mortius | I'm no expert, nor do I make macros, but prefixing any lua code with /script seems to work |
| 18:25.32 | pastamancer | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:25.37 | kneeki|atwork | tedrock: yes |
| 18:25.54 | kneeki|atwork | You couldn't use it to cast a spell however, not anymore |
| 18:26.15 | Mortius | alright pastamancer, thanks a lot. I have quite a few getglobals in my code too :X |
| 18:27.09 | pastamancer | if there's a limited number of choices, use a table like I suggested |
| 18:27.36 | pastamancer | that way it's clear to anyone reading your code (including you next month) what the valid values are |
| 18:28.10 | Mortius | yeah, I have variables like d_party1_debuffcount, and d_party2_debuffcount, etc.. |
| 18:28.33 | pastamancer | oh, you definitely want a table for that |
| 18:29.44 | Mortius | so like d_debuffcount = { "party1", "party2", "party3", "party4" } and then use d_debuffcount[1], etc? |
| 18:30.28 | pastamancer | like d_debuffcount = { "party1" = 0, "party2" = 0, etc } and then use d_debuffcount["party1"] |
| 18:30.46 | Mortius | oh yeah, duh. okay thanks :) |
| 18:30.53 | pastamancer | a table key can be any value, not just a number |
| 18:31.47 | Mortius | so at that point I could use d_debuffcount[arg1], right? |
| 18:32.18 | Mortius | as long as arg1 was returning a valid entry in the table |
| 18:32.38 | cogwheel|work | yep |
| 18:33.05 | Mortius | nice, hi cogwheel! I'm rewitting a ton of code to do it right, or at least better hehe |
| 18:33.18 | cogwheel|work | cool :) |
| 18:33.19 | Mortius | rewriting too |
| 18:33.30 | cogwheel|work | lots 'o neat tricks, huh? |
| 18:33.36 | Mortius | yes, there are! |
| 18:33.44 | Mortius | I'm learning tons. |
| 18:34.23 | cogwheel|work | >< |
| 18:35.52 | TC_Working | it better be 24k |
| 18:35.53 | Mortius | YAY! A gold star. :D |
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| 18:41.09 | Mortius | when I do d_debuffcount = { "party1" = 0, "party2" = 0, "party3" = 0, "party4" = 0 }, it gives me an error saying "Expected } to close { at line 50" |
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| 18:42.00 | Mortius | if I remove the quotes it works, but I need those hehe |
| 18:47.28 | Mortius | yeah, thats so strange. It won't let me make that table :( |
| 18:47.36 | Mortius | it doesn't like the quote marks |
| 18:48.08 | cogwheel|work | take off the quotes |
| 18:48.19 | Mortius | but I need those to be strings |
| 18:48.45 | cogwheel|work | { party1 = 0, party2 = 0 } is equivalent to { ["party1"] = 0, ["party2"] = 0 } |
| 18:49.09 | cogwheel|work | so you can either take off the quotes, or add brackets |
| 18:49.19 | Mortius | aaah, okay thanks :) I didn't know that. |
| 18:49.28 | Mortius | I thought it would think they were variables |
| 18:49.42 | Mortius | I mean I guess they are.. |
| 18:50.14 | Mortius | but .. when I'm calling from d_debuffcount[arg1], I know that arg1 is usually in quotes, i.e. "party1" |
| 18:50.31 | Mortius | but if that doesn't matter, then it's fine :D |
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| 18:54.17 | cogwheel|work | the left side of the = in a table constructor is always interpreted as a key. so you could have something like: local a, b = 1, 2; local tbl = { a = a, b = b }; and it would know what you're talking about |
| 18:55.25 | cogwheel|work | but if you did tbl = { [a] = a, [b] = b } then it would end up as { 1, 2 } since it's using the value ov the a & b variables as keys |
| 18:56.05 | Mortius | Understood. Thanks for that. :) |
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| 19:00.13 | tedrock | in macros is there a target=pet,happy condition? |
| 19:02.38 | cogwheel|work | tedrock: neuro's guide is complete on what you can check for |
| 19:03.14 | tedrock | url? |
| 19:03.27 | cogwheel|work | us UI & Macros forum |
| 19:03.33 | cogwheel|work | (official one) |
| 19:06.22 | Shirik | cogwheel|work: Did CCWarn use /ccw as one of its slash commands? |
| 19:07.35 | cogwheel|work | yes... short for ccwarn |
| 19:08.10 | Shirik | that explains it >.> |
| 19:08.13 | Shirik | it's also ccwatch |
| 19:08.18 | cogwheel|work | hmm |
| 19:08.25 | Shirik | So those two addons have been fighting back and forth for a while now :P |
| 19:08.30 | Shirik | it's ok I'm just using /ccwarn now |
| 19:08.33 | cogwheel|work | my bad :P |
| 19:08.36 | Shirik | I was just wondering why sometimes it worked sometimes it didn't |
| 19:09.12 | cogwheel|work | I think there should be a slash command registry on wowwiki (nothing official, just a list of known commands and what addons they belong to) |
| 19:10.14 | Shirik | it's not a bad idea |
| 19:10.22 | Shirik | phpBB did the same thing because of conflicting mods |
| 19:10.31 | Shirik | because phpbb used a "page id" for its pages |
| 19:10.34 | kergoth | i like the idea of documenting your slash comments in .toc metadata. |
| 19:10.51 | kergoth | i've been doing it in my addon compilation for a while to dump a quick reference in my readme files |
| 19:10.51 | Shirik | so they made a databa.... kergoth, nobody uses toc files consistently |
| 19:10.55 | Shirik | you can't rely on them |
| 19:11.05 | Shirik | if you could, I would have much less work to do on the wowiupdater |
| 19:11.20 | Shirik | but because every toc file is written slightly differently, it's hard to detect which addon's which, etc. |
| 19:12.44 | Shirik | of course on the same note |
| 19:12.53 | Shirik | you can't rely on everyone using the registry, were it to exist |
| 19:12.56 | kergoth | the only part that's inconsistent is the X- fields, and generally the same fields exist for everyone, just nobody agrees on the exact names for each |
| 19:12.59 | kergoth | indeed |
| 19:13.07 | Shirik | not really |
| 19:13.13 | Shirik | some people leave out the ##Author line, etc. |
| 19:14.23 | kergoth | true, whatever maintained/presented the info would have to maintain supplementary metadata anyway |
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| 19:15.25 | Shirik | I really would wish for more consistency |
| 19:15.40 | kergoth | you'd only get that by sacrificing flexibility |
| 19:15.48 | Shirik | something like "what you put on WoWI as your title is what is the ## Title line" but... yeah what you said |
| 19:16.13 | Shirik | and we can't rely on stuff like that, especially because it would force everyone to change |
| 19:16.17 | Shirik | and people don't like change |
| 19:16.36 | kergoth | meh, people suck :) |
| 19:16.49 | JoshBorke | change what? |
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| 19:17.00 | JoshBorke | kergoth: fix GuildBook's syncing for me, kthxbye |
| 19:19.44 | kergoth | JoshBorke: we're talkinga bout people's inconsistent use of .toc fields and the resulting inability to rely on them for addon information presentation |
| 19:19.47 | kergoth | heh, whats it doing? |
| 19:20.31 | JoshBorke | kergoth: not working at all :-D |
| 19:20.38 | Shirik | did you turn it on? |
| 19:20.43 | Shirik | =P |
| 19:20.54 | JoshBorke | data propogation works fine as long as everyone is online, it's when they have to synchronize changes it all goes to hell |
| 19:21.16 | zenzelezz | who needs up to date info anyway |
| 19:21.18 | zenzelezz | =) |
| 19:21.34 | Kaelten | JoshBorke: as we know the problem with that is lack of consistant timestamps |
| 19:22.12 | cladhaire | incorrect |
| 19:22.18 | cladhaire | its due to the lack of datestamps =) |
| 19:22.22 | JoshBorke | Kaelten: i know, but my naive attempt to synchronize time based on offsets has failed me miserably and I have been too lazy to figure out |
| 19:22.43 | JoshBorke | yes, as cladhaire says, it's datestamps we lack, time is fine :-D |
| 19:23.48 | cladhaire | and you can fix datestamps, by keeping a static list of realms, and timezones. |
| 19:23.50 | cladhaire | *shrug* |
| 19:24.18 | JoshBorke | how can you know what day it is? without relying on your local clock |
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| 19:25.44 | cladhaire | yes you can |
| 19:25.54 | cladhaire | you use server time, and know what time zone its in |
| 19:26.01 | JoshBorke | please tell me because i'm not smart enough to figure it out |
| 19:26.04 | cladhaire | oh |
| 19:26.05 | cladhaire | hrm |
| 19:26.07 | cladhaire | GP |
| 19:26.08 | cladhaire | lol |
| 19:26.19 | JoshBorke | GP? |
| 19:26.24 | Shirik | good point |
| 19:26.25 | cladhaire | good point |
| 19:26.26 | cladhaire | heh |
| 19:26.30 | JoshBorke | heh |
| 19:26.31 | cladhaire | my brain got ahead of me |
| 19:26.34 | cladhaire | i'm fighting some idiot in my guild. |
| 19:26.40 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 19:26.49 | JoshBorke | hit him with a quick left then a hard right |
| 19:29.26 | JoshBorke | Kaelten: my solution in GuildBook is to keep a local table of offsets of $time(). everytime someone logs in they broadcast their current time and get everyone's else's time back to store in their table. then all local timestamps are stored as local time |
| 19:30.23 | Kaelten | hrm |
| 19:33.18 | JoshBorke | but like i said, it's broken somewhere :_D |
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| 19:34.41 | cladhaire | i feel bad re-writing an ace addon |
| 19:34.45 | cladhaire | but mine is better |
| 19:34.45 | cladhaire | heh |
| 19:34.49 | cladhaire | ZOMG DE-ACE THIS! |
| 19:34.57 | Kaelten | which one did you rewrite? |
| 19:34.58 | JoshBorke | gief perfect raid final cladhaire! |
| 19:35.03 | cladhaire | JoshBorke: lolz |
| 19:35.04 | Shirik | if you're rewriting it |
| 19:35.09 | Shirik | why not get rid of ace at the same time :P |
| 19:35.17 | cladhaire | .. i did. |
| 19:35.19 | cladhaire | that's the point. |
| 19:35.20 | Shirik | ah |
| 19:35.20 | JoshBorke | Kaelten: did you see i added next/prev buttons to the Combine Event window? |
| 19:35.20 | cladhaire | =) |
| 19:35.46 | cladhaire | Shirik: I get 60% compression |
| 19:35.48 | cladhaire | its only 1.5 megs for each faction's database |
| 19:35.49 | Shirik | that's not bad |
| 19:35.52 | Shirik | not bad at all |
| 19:35.53 | cladhaire | decompressed on demand |
| 19:36.02 | Shirik | I was expecting something like 15MB at minimum tbh |
| 19:36.11 | JoshBorke | eh? what's this? |
| 19:36.18 | Kaelten | for what? |
| 19:36.47 | cladhaire | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7011-WowheadQuests.html |
| 19:36.49 | cladhaire | except.. not |
| 19:36.52 | cladhaire | =) |
| 19:36.55 | JoshBorke | oh |
| 19:37.18 | cladhaire | cause mine doesn't .. use like 83,000 libraries for no reason.. and my parsing script is better =) |
| 19:37.25 | Shirik | haha |
| 19:37.38 | cladhaire | it even gives me progress updates on where it is in the ripping process =) |
| 19:37.40 | Tem | oh hotness |
| 19:37.47 | JoshBorke | Kaelten: i've decided that delayed tooltips should be default in the UI |
| 19:37.59 | Tem | the numerical methods test tomorrow that I've been pissing myself about all weekend just got way easier |
| 19:38.18 | Shirik | cladhaire: Did you still want me to find if I can write up a script to pull out the quest zone ids automatically? |
| 19:38.22 | Kaelten | hehe |
| 19:38.27 | Shirik | or are you just going to assume they will work like that |
| 19:38.38 | cladhaire | Shirik: its all dynamic |
| 19:38.41 | cladhaire | nothign is hardcoded |
| 19:38.42 | Shirik | ah nice |
| 19:38.49 | Shirik | you pulled it out then |
| 19:38.55 | cladhaire | aye |
| 19:39.18 | Shirik | yeah it's all right there in the js, pretty straight-forward, just takes a little work |
| 19:40.15 | Guillotine | cladhaire: ooooo, can't wait for it to be done :D |
| 19:40.21 | cladhaire | the compression algo was done quite some time ago |
| 19:40.23 | Tem | the biggest reduction on requirements is that I won't need to do a cubic spline |
| 19:40.27 | cladhaire | i was strugling with a problem that didn't really exist =) |
| 19:40.47 | Shirik | ha |
| 19:40.51 | cladhaire | hahahahaha |
| 19:41.01 | cladhaire | the data can't be decompressed in wow |
| 19:41.02 | cladhaire | *cackle* |
| 19:41.11 | cladhaire | or at least its having issues |
| 19:41.24 | Shirik | wow |
| 19:41.24 | Tem | lol |
| 19:41.31 | Shirik | you impress me |
| 19:41.44 | cladhaire | uhh. |
| 19:41.49 | cladhaire | the files i have here aren't compressed. |
| 19:41.50 | cladhaire | odd |
| 19:41.53 | cladhaire | user error :P |
| 19:42.03 | Shirik | PEBCAC |
| 19:42.35 | Tem | problem exists between c*** and chair? |
| 19:42.37 | Shirik | PEBKAC* |
| 19:42.39 | Shirik | sorry >< |
| 19:42.41 | Guillotine | was about to say that :P |
| 19:42.43 | Shirik | I can't spell today |
| 19:43.09 | cladhaire | Tem: Can I build a tooltip that allows line wrapping on each individual line? |
| 19:43.25 | Tem | not sure what you mean |
| 19:43.44 | cladhaire | lines in ItemRefTooltip, they don't wrap if its a long string. |
| 19:43.44 | Tem | but I thiink you're looking for the last optional argument to Tooltip:AddLine |
| 19:43.56 | cladhaire | so i want to build my own tooltip |
| 19:44.02 | cladhaire | i know i did that code somewhere, just not sure where i hid it. |
| 19:44.04 | Tem | yeah, you want the magical wrap flag |
| 19:44.58 | cladhaire | gah |
| 19:45.25 | Shirik | oooh magical |
| 19:45.25 | cladhaire | anyone have any "make me a tooltip in lua" code laying around, that doesn't use the GameTooltip template? |
| 19:45.37 | Tem | cladhaire, why do you care? |
| 19:45.51 | cladhaire | Tem: Cause i need it, for this project? |
| 19:46.00 | Tem | no, but what's wrong with the template? |
| 19:46.12 | cladhaire | it already has all its lines. |
| 19:46.12 | Guillotine | doesn't automatically wrap lots of text |
| 19:46.15 | cladhaire | i need lines that wrap. |
| 19:46.15 | cladhaire | .. |
| 19:46.20 | cladhaire | am i speaking greek? |
| 19:46.28 | Shirik | You're not speaking |
| 19:46.28 | Guillotine | no, just geek |
| 19:46.30 | Shirik | you're typing |
| 19:46.33 | Tem | cladhaire, just no |
| 19:46.45 | Tem | cladhaire, Tooltip:AddLine("text",r,g,b,wrap_ |
| 19:46.52 | Tem | s/_/)/ |
| 19:46.59 | cladhaire | Tem: the templatea already have lines.. lots of them. |
| 19:47.07 | Tem | ... |
| 19:47.13 | Tem | you are the dumb right now |
| 19:47.16 | cladhaire | okauy |
| 19:47.16 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 19:47.18 | cladhaire | then explain it. |
| 19:47.29 | Tem | AddLine and AddFontString is different |
| 19:47.35 | cladhaire | oh |
| 19:47.37 | cladhaire | i'm dumb |
| 19:47.37 | cladhaire | hi |
| 19:47.39 | cladhaire | i'm clad! |
| 19:47.41 | Tem | s/is/are/ |
| 19:47.41 | Shirik | hi! |
| 19:47.44 | Gryphen | he3ya |
| 19:47.57 | cladhaire | well that makes this freaking trivial. |
| 19:47.58 | cladhaire | heh |
| 19:48.07 | JoshBorke | what's trivial? |
| 19:48.13 | cladhaire | even you can do it! |
| 19:48.30 | Tem | ~define trivial |
| 19:48.32 | purl | Use ~dict for definitions. |
| 19:48.38 | Tem | ~dict trivial |
| 19:48.40 | Shirik | er |
| 19:48.41 | JoshBorke | owned |
| 19:48.45 | Shirik | just out of curiosity |
| 19:48.45 | cladhaire | http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/5733/picture1iw9.png |
| 19:48.56 | Tem | ~dict trivial 2 |
| 19:49.04 | Kirkburn|afk | goddamn, purl pinged me then :P |
| 19:49.07 | JoshBorke | ~dict2 trivial |
| 19:49.08 | Shirik | why doesn't purl just synonymize ~define with ~dict >< |
| 19:49.18 | JoshBorke | imageshack ftl |
| 19:49.26 | Tem | Kirkburn|afk, have you added a favicon yet? |
| 19:49.38 | Shirik | ~dict trivial[2] |
| 19:49.53 | Shirik | ~dict 2 trivial |
| 19:49.57 | Shirik | I win |
| 19:50.01 | JoshBorke | pist, that's not so subtle kirk |
| 19:50.04 | Shirik | ~dict 3 trivial |
| 19:50.11 | Shirik | There we go |
| 19:50.15 | Shirik | wait that's not it either |
| 19:50.17 | Shirik | bah |
| 19:50.21 | Tem | Kirkburn|afk, have you added a favicon yet? |
| 19:50.22 | Kirkburn|afk | I'd do something about it if the wiki was responding and there was a server person around :) |
| 19:50.25 | Shirik | JoshBorke spelled the command wrong :P |
| 19:50.41 | JoshBorke | meh, whatever :-P |
| 19:50.48 | Shirik | will be waiting for a long time |
| 19:51.24 | cladhaire | how do i change the width of the ItemRefTooltip? |
| 19:51.46 | JoshBorke | ItemRefTooltip:SetWidth? |
| 19:51.57 | cladhaire | nah, :Show() resizes it. |
| 19:52.07 | cladhaire | and if you :SetWidth() it after the :Show(), the font strings aren't the full width. |
| 19:52.28 | Guillotine | cladhairE: nice! |
| 19:53.04 | cladhaire | its kinda ghetto right now |
| 19:53.08 | JoshBorke | be ftl |
| 19:53.11 | cladhaire | but it'll be nice once i get the tooltip sized right |
| 19:53.28 | Tem | tooltip ftl |
| 19:53.37 | cladhaire | would you rather i used Tablet? |
| 19:53.50 | Tem | no |
| 19:54.04 | cladhaire | and quit you're bitching |
| 19:54.04 | Tem | I don't think a tooltip-style frame looks nive for this at all |
| 19:54.09 | Guillotine | cladhaire: one bug though that you probably noticed. The username displayed is all the last person |
| 19:54.09 | cladhaire | unles you're willing to help style it |
| 19:54.11 | cladhaire | deal with it |
| 19:54.22 | cladhaire | Guillotine: Are you sure? |
| 19:54.26 | Tem | I'm willing to help |
| 19:54.33 | cladhaire | hrm |
| 19:54.34 | cladhaire | i guess so |
| 19:54.35 | Guillotine | cladhaire: at least according to that screenshot |
| 19:54.35 | Tem | I'm just too busy to get anything done |
| 19:54.44 | cladhaire | Tem: i know :P |
| 19:54.44 | Guillotine | http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=9536 for the actual comments |
| 19:54.54 | cladhaire | fine, i'll use the dialog backdrop that i use in perfectraid |
| 19:54.59 | cladhaire | but that's ftl too |
| 19:55.23 | Tem | indeed |
| 19:55.24 | Guillotine | cladhaire: also, any reason the comments aren't ordered? |
| 19:55.36 | cladhaire | Guillotine: side effect of the parsing |
| 19:55.42 | Guillotine | ah, ok |
| 19:55.45 | cladhaire | not much i'm really gonna do abotu that |
| 19:55.55 | cladhaire | since MANY people post the exact same comment for multiple versions of the quest |
| 19:55.58 | cladhaire | and those all get grouped together |
| 19:56.04 | cladhaire | so you'd see 14 of the same |
| 19:56.59 | Guillotine | are you also showing tabbed comments? I can't tell since it looks like the tooltip just got full |
| 19:57.05 | Tem | clad, it'd be hot if you showed it in a threaded style |
| 19:57.08 | Shirik | cladhaire: What about |
| 19:57.10 | cladhaire | Guillotine: thanks.. that's actually an issue with the scraper, i'll fix that when I get home. |
| 19:57.12 | Kirkburn|afk | Lol, on eBay, UK PS3s are fetching less than the retail price |
| 19:57.17 | cladhaire | Guillotine: it scrolls. |
| 19:57.24 | Shirik | Ok first things first, what's wrong with the tooltip autosizing itself? |
| 19:57.25 | cladhaire | Tem: aye, but i have no time :P |
| 19:57.36 | cladhaire | you can give it a string that's extremely long |
| 19:57.40 | cladhaire | and it chooses an odd size. |
| 19:57.44 | cladhaire | and make things look poopy |
| 19:57.53 | Tem | *nod* |
| 19:58.13 | Shirik | if you were to post-hook :Show() to resize it to what you want, would that re-wrap the strings or would they just flood outside the tooltip? |
| 19:58.28 | Tem | they would overflow |
| 19:58.32 | JoshBorke | cladhaire: iterate over all the fontstrings and resize them? |
| 19:58.37 | JoshBorke | again? |
| 19:58.41 | Tem | to change the wrapping, you must resize them individually |
| 19:58.42 | Tem | OR |
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| 19:58.49 | Tem | anchor them to the sides of the tooltip |
| 19:59.12 | JoshBorke | but would that force them to wrap? |
| 19:59.16 | Tem | but really, at that point, you're no longer dealing with a tooltip anymore |
| 19:59.30 | cladhaire | aye, which is why i was looking to make a new one, heh |
| 19:59.56 | Tem | JoshBorke, a fontstring will always expand to fit the text given to it if it has a dimension that isn't "hard set" |
| 20:00.23 | Tem | if you hard set the width, the fontstring will wrap to that width |
| 20:00.41 | JoshBorke | yea, but if you just anchor is that another hard set? |
| 20:00.49 | Tem | yes |
| 20:00.54 | JoshBorke | mmk |
| 20:04.13 | cladhaire | dude this flight attendant has the weirdest voice |
| 20:04.22 | cladhaire | she takes... odd... pauses.. at different... times. |
| 20:04.22 | JoshBorke | you're on a plane clad? |
| 20:04.24 | Tem | flight attendant? |
| 20:04.26 | cladhaire | airport |
| 20:04.26 | cladhaire | http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/1292/picture3my7.png |
| 20:04.30 | cladhaire | how's that for right now? |
| 20:04.35 | cladhaire | bettah? |
| 20:04.39 | JoshBorke | ~whaleslap cladhaire |
| 20:04.50 | purl | ACTION beats cladhaire upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 20:04.50 | JoshBorke | we'll let you know in 5 minutes when it loads |
| 20:04.50 | Shirik | haha |
| 20:05.00 | cladhaire | meh, i've never had _speed_ issues with is |
| 20:05.01 | Shirik | timed out on me :P |
| 20:05.04 | Shirik | I have lately |
| 20:05.07 | Shirik | it's been off and on |
| 20:05.20 | JoshBorke | i SHOULDN'T have speed issues, but it's like i'm on dial-up |
| 20:05.28 | Shirik | no |
| 20:05.30 | Shirik | it's slower than that |
| 20:05.53 | cladhaire | where would you prefer i upload to? |
| 20:05.55 | cladhaire | bastages. |
| 20:05.59 | Tem | cladhaire, plz to make bigger background insets |
| 20:06.04 | Shirik | dcc send :P |
| 20:06.10 | JoshBorke | i think it's tem stealing our bandwidth |
| 20:06.17 | JoshBorke | i say we blame tem |
| 20:06.19 | cladhaire | Tem: you mean move the scroll frame and title in? |
| 20:06.45 | cladhaire | ok where do i upload to |
| 20:06.45 | Tem | cladhaire, I mean the text is overlapping the border |
| 20:06.51 | cladhaire | yes |
| 20:06.54 | Tem | which is teh ugly |
| 20:07.05 | Shirik | cladhaire: dcc send it :P |
| 20:07.19 | cladhaire | my dcc send is bitchy |
| 20:07.21 | cladhaire | and doesn't help others =) |
| 20:07.25 | Shirik | heh |
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| 20:08.51 | cladhaire | ... |
| 20:08.55 | cladhaire | imagelink.org STILL wont' let me upload .png |
| 20:08.57 | cladhaire | wtf |
| 20:09.46 | JoshBorke | it's ok, mine finished |
| 20:09.51 | cladhaire | http://i13.tinypic.com/3y5jrz5.png |
| 20:09.58 | cladhaire | tem: those are the new offsets |
| 20:10.24 | Tem | that's more better |
| 20:10.46 | cladhaire | god these sites suck |
| 20:10.49 | cladhaire | and i'm too lazy to rename files |
| 20:11.23 | cladhaire | right now its anchored to the RIGHT of WorldFrame |
| 20:11.26 | kneeki|atwork | whoa |
| 20:11.30 | cladhaire | so if you dont' use doublewide, it'll be ENORMOUS |
| 20:11.42 | kneeki|atwork | cladhaire: are the comments put in by the user, or off thottbot or something else? |
| 20:11.45 | JoshBorke | don't you mean ginormous? |
| 20:11.50 | cladhaire | kneeki|atwork: they're straight from wowhead.com |
| 20:11.52 | kneeki|atwork | and i love your DoubleWide mod =) |
| 20:12.01 | kneeki|atwork | wow, thats very neat! |
| 20:12.02 | cladhaire | that's not mine, its Iriel and Kudane |
| 20:12.04 | cladhaire | you shoudl download it =) |
| 20:12.12 | kneeki|atwork | Ah. hehe |
| 20:12.21 | kneeki|atwork | How is this new mod updated? through an exe? |
| 20:12.35 | cladhaire | no, i would be update it and upload a new version |
| 20:12.40 | cladhaire | weekly, probably |
| 20:12.41 | Tem | to avoid server load, I don't think he's giving out the scapper |
| 20:12.44 | kneeki|atwork | ahh |
| 20:12.49 | JoshBorke | cladhaire: what abotu scrolling? |
| 20:12.49 | kneeki|atwork | thats very cool =) |
| 20:12.51 | cladhaire | the scraper is rather.. intrusive |
| 20:12.53 | cladhaire | JoshBorke: you just scroll |
| 20:12.56 | Shirik | cladhaire: Do you still need an upload space? |
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| 20:13.13 | Shirik | I just made a wowi account on my ftp server :P |
| 20:13.14 | cladhaire | Shirik: I have space, I just need a box where i click browse, then host, then it gives me a url =) |
| 20:13.27 | cladhaire | i have tons of webspace and ftp, etc. |
| 20:13.29 | cladhaire | i'm looking for easy P |
| 20:13.32 | Shirik | haha |
| 20:13.36 | Shirik | lazy. |
| 20:13.50 | Shirik | I can't stand clicking really |
| 20:13.52 | Shirik | I like command lines |
| 20:13.57 | cladhaire | me too |
| 20:14.01 | cladhaire | but then i have to scp it |
| 20:14.05 | cladhaire | and then type the URL |
| 20:14.10 | cladhaire | i shoudl make a batch script imo |
| 20:17.42 | JoshBorke | cladhaire: don't you have a gallery? |
| 20:18.11 | cladhaire | yes |
| 20:18.18 | cladhaire | a number actually |
| 20:18.20 | cladhaire | but they aren't easy |
| 20:18.22 | JoshBorke | upload there :_D |
| 20:18.25 | cladhaire | imageshack is _easy_ |
| 20:18.28 | cladhaire | browse, host, copy paste |
| 20:18.35 | cladhaire | bbias |
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| 20:19.28 | cladhaire | yay |
| 20:19.30 | cladhaire | LoD works now. |
| 20:19.32 | cladhaire | this addon is a total ripoff |
| 20:19.36 | cladhaire | btu i didn't use a stitch of code |
| 20:19.37 | Industrial | so? |
| 20:19.43 | cladhaire | and that's impressive for a mod that does what this does, heh |
| 20:19.43 | Industrial | :) |
| 20:20.09 | Industrial | cladhaire: Would it be possible to get locations of mobs from wowhead? |
| 20:20.16 | Industrial | *hint* |
| 20:20.17 | cladhaire | yes |
| 20:20.22 | cladhaire | but that database would be _immense_ |
| 20:20.38 | Industrial | well how about questgiver data |
| 20:20.39 | cladhaire | that's why this is a good way to go |
| 20:20.48 | Industrial | (and locs) |
| 20:20.48 | cladhaire | almost every quest has a comment giving the locs you need |
| 20:20.58 | Industrial | true |
| 20:20.59 | cladhaire | TomTom will hook into that at some point |
| 20:21.03 | Industrial | yay |
| 20:21.35 | cladhaire | i.e. any coords will be hyperlinks that will put a waypoint on the map |
| 20:21.38 | cladhaire | is teh hot. |
| 20:22.17 | JoshBorke | TomTom? |
| 20:22.38 | Shirik | hehe |
| 20:22.38 | Tem | very minimap coordinate addon |
| 20:22.38 | Shirik | that's apparently the wow navigational assistant |
| 20:22.39 | Tem | not-yet-released imo |
| 20:22.57 | JoshBorke | are you sure it's not SueSue? |
| 20:23.06 | Tem | I thought it was ScottScott |
| 20:23.12 | Industrial | *smacks JoshBorke* |
| 20:23.18 | Industrial | and Tem. |
| 20:23.28 | JoshBorke | ScottScott, please play for me |
| 20:23.31 | Industrial | do NOT ever mention that commercial |
| 20:23.34 | cladhaire | hahahaha |
| 20:23.59 | Industrial | it came out of a manager's ass "hey lets do this". (no offense) |
| 20:25.55 | Shirik | Does anyone know any decent pseudorandom number generation algorithms? I tried writing one on my own but it seems to have less chance for certain specific numbers. |
| 20:26.01 | Tem | hmmm |
| 20:26.03 | Tem | I want chinese food |
| 20:26.12 | Tem | more specifically, I want egg rolls |
| 20:26.19 | Shirik | I wish there was a chinese restaurant near me :( |
| 20:26.28 | Shirik | All I have is mcdonalds, burger king, wendy's, and taco bell |
| 20:26.38 | Shirik | and now I'm hungry >.> I hate you Ted |
| 20:26.40 | Shirik | Tem |
| 20:26.45 | Tem | All the fast food places near campus are the suck |
| 20:26.54 | Tem | lazy workers |
| 20:26.54 | cladhaire | Shirik: Mersenne Twister |
| 20:26.56 | Tem | they move slow |
| 20:27.02 | cladhaire | shoudln't be too horrible to implement |
| 20:27.05 | cladhaire | depending on precision issues |
| 20:27.12 | Tem | so I drive to farther locations |
| 20:27.20 | Tem | which gives me less waiting |
| 20:27.20 | Shirik | ok let me rephrase a little bit |
| 20:27.43 | Shirik | It needs to be (somewhat easily) implementable on a 68HCS12 microcontroller (meaning I'd prefer to stay away from floating point numbers if possible) |
| 20:27.49 | cladhaire | ah |
| 20:27.51 | cladhaire | well then ;-) |
| 20:28.07 | Shirik | and fit within 16 bits |
| 20:28.17 | Fin | huh, weird :) I've just installed a mod called qcomments that works with nquestlog, it's very similar. |
| 20:28.17 | cladhaire | Okay |
| 20:28.23 | Tem | (and generally nicer service) |
| 20:28.27 | Tem | (but no gain in time) |
| 20:28.33 | Shirik | 68HCS12 is nice and all, but it's rather limited in register capabilities >< |
| 20:28.33 | cladhaire | Fin: Nah, the addon that inspired me to write this, is based off that one. |
| 20:29.02 | cladhaire | anyone wanna take this one for a spin? |
| 20:29.11 | Fin | cladhaire: ah, right. the addon that prompted me to download qcomments, is the same one :) |
| 20:29.11 | Shirik | which one? |
| 20:29.15 | Fin | sure, I will |
| 20:29.22 | Shirik | oh you mean test |
| 20:29.24 | Shirik | give it to me :P |
| 20:29.25 | Fin | if you can wait for me to go to the shop and get some beer |
| 20:29.28 | cladhaire | I'll toss it up on wowi as a beta |
| 20:29.43 | cladhaire | ooh i shoudl make sure alliance side works, lol |
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| 20:30.10 | Fin | I was just fiddling with qcomments because it's the first time I needed it in-game, and there was no hint as to how to get it to work (guessed at /qcomments, which worked, but it didn't say anywhere that you had to hold down alt while mousing over a quest in nql :) |
| 20:30.34 | cladhaire | hehe |
| 20:30.36 | Fin | right, beer |
| 20:30.40 | cladhaire | i like this one, it just works |
| 20:30.45 | cladhaire | btu won't work with alternate quest logs |
| 20:30.51 | cladhaire | it could be modified to do that, quite easily tho |
| 20:32.29 | JoshBorke | someone should make a mod that delays tooltips for like 0.5-0.75 seconds when mousing over items or people |
| 20:32.36 | cladhaire | kaelten just did that for kci |
| 20:32.49 | JoshBorke | *cough*I*cough* did that for KCI :-P |
| 20:33.02 | JoshBorke | he just approved my code and told me what i did wrong wthen it didn't work |
| 20:33.10 | cladhaire | oh |
| 20:33.11 | cladhaire | lol |
| 20:33.19 | JoshBorke | it was his idea though |
| 20:33.28 | cladhaire | well he was just bragging, either way =) |
| 20:33.30 | JoshBorke | or was it mine? i don't remember |
| 20:34.19 | JoshBorke | but still, how would i do that for all tooltips? |
| 20:34.32 | JoshBorke | or just for GameTooltip |
| 20:35.18 | Fin | don't suppose you could add something that would let you search the quest comments by quest title, location, synopsis, and description, and comments, cladhaire? just a simple find - maybe only in the current zone if it's a huge text file (qcomments isn't that big?) - would be neat to do /findqcoms |
| 20:35.50 | cladhaire | well, you could try.. its indexed by the quest name, and level |
| 20:35.54 | cladhaire | but i could _search_ |
| 20:35.55 | cladhaire | yes |
| 20:35.57 | Fin | when I'm churning through quests in a zone, and the quest isn't for that zone, sometimes it takes a while to figure out what the name of the quest is that I've just finished or whatever |
| 20:36.07 | Shirik | searching could be ugly, wonder how well that would go |
| 20:36.16 | cladhaire | it wouldn't be hard |
| 20:36.16 | Shirik | specifically searching comments |
| 20:36.18 | cladhaire | well |
| 20:36.20 | cladhaire | that can't be done |
| 20:36.21 | cladhaire | by design |
| 20:36.22 | Shirik | I'm talking more about performance |
| 20:36.24 | cladhaire | all data is compressed |
| 20:36.29 | cladhaire | so it could be done |
| 20:36.31 | cladhaire | btu it'd be nasty =) |
| 20:36.36 | cladhaire | depending on CPU |
| 20:36.43 | Shirik | you would have to decompress it all, do a search in every comment... and lock up the screen for a while :P |
| 20:36.53 | Fin | well |
| 20:36.54 | JoshBorke | coroutine! |
| 20:37.08 | Fin | the user would have to initiate the search, they'd get a feel for how slow it makes the game |
| 20:37.12 | Shirik | ok so coroutines avoids the locking up of the screen |
| 20:37.16 | Shirik | still could take a bit of time :P |
| 20:37.16 | cladhaire | hehe thats true |
| 20:37.21 | cladhaire | maybe an enhancement =) |
| 20:37.29 | JoshBorke | but all that memory churn... |
| 20:37.37 | Fin | I might hack it to do that if you don't mind and can't be arsed to do it yourself? |
| 20:37.59 | Fin | who cares, I've got 768MB of RAM on my new graphics card, might as well use it |
| 20:38.10 | cladhaire | Fin: Sure, I'd welcome that |
| 20:38.14 | cladhaire | its relatively straightforward |
| 20:38.15 | Fin | cladhaire: great |
| 20:38.18 | cladhaire | the mod is like 75 lines of code |
| 20:38.24 | Fin | that's why I think I might do it :) |
| 20:38.38 | Fin | did anyone ever use Component? |
| 20:38.41 | Fin | I used to love that mod |
| 20:38.53 | Fin | /uses <search term> |
| 20:39.22 | Fin | most handy command ever, I was thinking something like that for quests (I always wondered why he didn't do quests as well actually) |
| 20:39.35 | Fin | excellent, 75 lines is something I can get my head round most probably |
| 20:39.49 | Fin | unlike some addons... :/ |
| 20:40.08 | Fin | ... which reminds me... |
| 20:41.12 | Fin | is there anybody here who would possibly be willing to help me try and figure out how to do something in a Prat module? I have spent ages trying to figure it out and basically I think maybe I'm not smart enough |
| 20:41.39 | JoshBorke | Fin: i'd find the module author and ask him in a PM on the wowace forums |
| 20:45.42 | cladhaire | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7017-LightHeaded.html |
| 20:45.45 | cladhaire | have at it folks |
| 20:45.46 | cladhaire | hopefully it works |
| 20:45.52 | cladhaire | it might be littered with mac os metadata |
| 20:45.53 | cladhaire | so suck it. |
| 20:46.34 | Tem | fuck it |
| 20:46.46 | Shirik | Tem |
| 20:46.49 | Shirik | You suck |
| 20:46.50 | JoshBorke | no one answered my question :-( |
| 20:46.53 | Shirik | Now I have to go eat |
| 20:47.05 | tem|FOOD | no sympathy, Shirik |
| 20:47.05 | Shirik | JoshBorke: What question |
| 20:47.07 | JoshBorke | could i hook GameTooltip:Show()? |
| 20:47.08 | tem|FOOD | zero |
| 20:47.14 | Shirik | Could you? Yes |
| 20:47.18 | tem|FOOD | JoshBorke, I don't suggest it |
| 20:47.27 | JoshBorke | feels like it would taint |
| 20:47.30 | JoshBorke | and break stuff |
| 20:47.36 | cladhaire | Fin: I may code that now, before i go to lunch |
| 20:47.41 | tem|FOOD | not with a secure hook |
| 20:47.46 | JoshBorke | who eats lunch at 5pm? |
| 20:47.46 | Shirik | if you're really worried about that, use hooksecurefunc() |
| 20:47.48 | tem|FOOD | but I still don't suggest it |
| 20:47.54 | Shirik | but I'm with Tem in not suggesting it |
| 20:48.17 | Shirik | JoshBorke: The kind of person (me) who doesn't eat at regular intervals |
| 20:48.40 | Shirik | i.e., zero, once or twice a day, whenever they get hungry |
| 20:49.34 | JoshBorke | could i hook Set*Item? |
| 20:50.04 | JoshBorke | and SetHyperlink? |
| 20:50.20 | Shirik | you could |
| 20:50.21 | Shirik | but why? |
| 20:50.45 | JoshBorke | Shirik: i'm trying to make it so that the tooltip is only shown if i hover over and item for a set amount of time |
| 20:50.55 | Shirik | oh |
| 20:51.00 | Shirik | then you wouldn't be able to use a secure hook |
| 20:51.04 | JoshBorke | i know |
| 20:51.21 | Shirik | I'll say this much |
| 20:51.45 | Shirik | I don't think tainting :Show() for tooltips will cause a problem |
| 20:51.49 | Shirik | but there's really only one way to find out |
| 20:52.02 | JoshBorke | meh, i'm gonna work on my timer mod first |
| 20:52.09 | Shirik | in general I dislike tainting period |
| 20:52.13 | Shirik | but I guess sometimes it's required |
| 20:52.14 | JoshBorke | Shirik: me too |
| 20:56.05 | cladhaire | oh shit yes. this needs a coroutine |
| 20:56.05 | cladhaire | hahah |
| 20:56.12 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 20:56.13 | cladhaire | i'm locked up just searching the keys of the array |
| 20:56.15 | JoshBorke | i still don't get coroutines |
| 20:56.20 | cladhaire | good, thats an excuse to learn how to use them in wow |
| 20:56.30 | JoshBorke | since isn't wow still only a single thread? |
| 20:56.38 | cladhaire | yes, its not true multithreading |
| 20:56.41 | cladhaire | but the game would continue to run |
| 20:56.46 | cladhaire | instead of being locked up like mine is now =) |
| 20:56.51 | JoshBorke | hm |
| 20:56.59 | JoshBorke | create a How_To for it clad :-D |
| 20:57.08 | JoshBorke | shouldn't coroutines have been in your book? :_P |
| 20:57.15 | cladhaire | not even close |
| 20:57.15 | cladhaire | heh |
| 20:57.29 | cladhaire | holy crap this is taking forever! |
| 20:57.29 | cladhaire | lol |
| 20:57.50 | JoshBorke | anybody know where i can learn me how to detect spell cooldowns? |
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| 21:03.39 | Fin | JoshBorke: I am the module author |
| 21:03.54 | cladhaire | lol |
| 21:04.00 | Fin | cladhaire: ace! |
| 21:04.05 | cladhaire | ...? |
| 21:04.17 | Fin | or, well, not ace, but, you know |
| 21:04.38 | Fin | [22:52:40] <@cladhaire> Fin: I may code that now, before i go to lunch |
| 21:04.38 | cladhaire | i ahve no idea what you're saying |
| 21:05.20 | Fin | ah, never mind, irc comment lag makes nonsense of it anyhow :) |
| 21:06.10 | Fin | cladhaire: how are you searching, and what are the table keys, if I can ask? |
| 21:06.21 | cladhaire | the table keys are QuestTitleLevel |
| 21:06.36 | cladhaire | right now i'm just string.matching the key to the pattern |
| 21:06.39 | cladhaire | and trying not to lock up the game |
| 21:06.53 | Elkano | cladhaire, what if two quests have the same name? |
| 21:07.07 | Fin | maybe make them all lowercase (or upper) quest titles and stick an extra value in so you don't have to make it case insensitive? |
| 21:07.21 | Fin | actually shit |
| 21:07.28 | cladhaire | Elkano: they get folded together, the game has no way to uniquely identify them other than the text of the quest.. and hashing that against HTML scraping is dangerous. |
| 21:07.34 | Fin | I've just realised I don't know if Lua does case insensitive matches by default |
| 21:07.38 | cladhaire | it doesn't. |
| 21:07.50 | cladhaire | my version is locking my machine up atm |
| 21:07.50 | cladhaire | lol |
| 21:07.59 | Fin | huh |
| 21:08.00 | cladhaire | and i'm going to lose internet very soon |
| 21:08.02 | cladhaire | which means dinner time. |
| 21:08.17 | Fin | I guess it'd have to be a seperate lookup table or something? :) |
| 21:09.04 | cladhaire | whoa |
| 21:09.06 | cladhaire | it works fast too |
| 21:09.10 | cladhaire | dunno what was locking me up before. |
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| 21:09.17 | cladhaire | and it accepts lua patterns |
| 21:09.25 | Fin | now that's nice |
| 21:09.35 | cladhaire | just gotta make it dump hyperlinks |
| 21:09.37 | cladhaire | which is easy |
| 21:09.48 | cladhaire | see this is interesting tho |
| 21:09.49 | Fin | dump as in, remove? |
| 21:10.00 | cladhaire | no, send to chat |
| 21:10.01 | Fin | or dump as in, dump into the import so it's cross referenced? |
| 21:10.05 | Fin | or dump to chat? |
| 21:10.08 | Fin | right |
| 21:10.09 | cladhaire | yeah, as results. |
| 21:10.13 | cladhaire | the search will return hyperlinks. |
| 21:10.24 | cladhaire | which will pop a tooltip containing all comments. |
| 21:10.30 | cladhaire | i ahev a fun bug somewhere |
| 21:10.35 | cladhaire | btu i dont think its in the beta |
| 21:10.35 | Fin | that's exactly what I was thinking of, hooray! |
| 21:10.37 | cladhaire | it just locks up your game |
| 21:10.49 | Fin | I meant, the beta you posted of the previous version |
| 21:11.04 | cladhaire | if anyone gets a hard lock, let me know. |
| 21:11.14 | Fin | when they get back online |
| 21:11.24 | cladhaire | heh |
| 21:11.27 | cladhaire | well its just the game |
| 21:11.28 | cladhaire | not the pc |
| 21:11.47 | cladhaire | okay, the search works quite quick there. |
| 21:11.51 | cladhaire | ima test the other side |
| 21:11.52 | cladhaire | before i get booted. |
| 21:12.14 | Bleeter | ~ugt |
| 21:12.26 | purl | from memory, ugt is Universial Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
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| 21:13.38 | cladhaire | lol |
| 21:13.44 | cladhaire | the api is simple, heh |
| 21:13.56 | cladhaire | local code,rev = huffman.getcodetable(freq) |
| 21:14.05 | cladhaire | huffman.encode(txt, code) |
| 21:14.09 | cladhaire | huffman.decode(txt, rev) |
| 21:14.17 | Shirik | I like UGT |
| 21:14.23 | cladhaire | 6 quests in the game contain the word "monkey" |
| 21:14.30 | cladhaire | in case anyone was curious |
| 21:14.32 | cladhaire | well in the comments =) |
| 21:15.09 | Fin | what about "lol"? |
| 21:15.22 | Shirik|Fooding | haha |
| 21:15.23 | cladhaire | it locks my machine for 10 seconds or so searching right now |
| 21:15.25 | cladhaire | on all comments |
| 21:15.32 | cladhaire | but thats because it needs to decrypt every single comment, heh |
| 21:15.34 | Shirik|Fooding | cladhaire: use coroutines then :P |
| 21:15.38 | cladhaire | in a coroutine it won't be that bad |
| 21:15.40 | cladhaire | Shirik|Fooding: no time atm |
| 21:15.44 | cladhaire | but i will be |
| 21:15.53 | cladhaire | Fin: umm lots |
| 21:15.59 | Shirik|Fooding | lol |
| 21:16.00 | Shirik|Fooding | try it |
| 21:16.09 | Fin | cladhaire: hope there's an option to use a decrypted version |
| 21:16.12 | Fin | if you're using the search, there's no point in compression anyway |
| 21:16.22 | Shirik|Fooding | food time |
| 21:17.28 | Fin | s/rypt/ompress/ |
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| 21:27.42 | cladhaire_ | damn the man making me pay for more internets |
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| 21:28.56 | cladhaire | I think there's an issue with hooking too early, so I'm delaying it now. |
| 21:29.02 | cladhaire | and i'll work on the search while i eat |
| 21:30.45 | Shirik|Fooding | cladhaire: After some reading through the pseudocode I think the mersenne twister will actually suit my needs pretty well. Thanks |
| 21:30.58 | cladhaire | Shirik|Fooding: glad to hear it |
| 21:31.01 | cladhaire | damn.. i locked up again |
| 21:31.05 | cladhaire | i wish i could figure out how/why its happening. |
| 21:31.17 | Shirik|Fooding | where's it locking up? |
| 21:31.47 | cladhaire | after i open the qlog |
| 21:32.01 | cladhaire | which loads the data, and updates the window |
| 21:32.29 | Shirik|Fooding | well when I get back from eating perhaps I'll help you out :) gotta run |
| 21:32.45 | cladhaire | k k |
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| 21:37.27 | cladhaire | woot coroutine for search working |
| 21:37.33 | cladhaire | now to try comment instead of key searches |
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| 22:02.50 | Industrial | So I was setting up my interface... http://i11.tinypic.com/2ymvcwi.jpg |
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| 22:03.35 | cladhaire | hahaha |
| 22:03.53 | Fin | classic |
| 22:05.05 | cladhaire | Fin: search is working, only on comments (not the keys) i can re-up if you'd like. |
| 22:05.13 | cladhaire | its just a naive implementation |
| 22:05.28 | cladhaire | and it'd need a progress window and results window |
| 22:05.33 | Bleeter | http://www.ps3grill.com/ |
| 22:05.36 | Industrial | cladhaire: you got it on svn somewhere? |
| 22:05.41 | cladhaire | at the moment, no. |
| 22:05.45 | Industrial | k |
| 22:05.53 | cladhaire | grab it from wowi |
| 22:07.04 | Fin | cladhaire: yes please! :) |
| 22:07.14 | Fin | how comes it's not working on the keys, btw? |
| 22:07.25 | cladhaire | because, i dont have the logic to switch between the two |
| 22:07.27 | Fin | and if you enable search, can it disable compression? :) |
| 22:07.31 | cladhaire | should i search on the keys too? |
| 22:07.45 | cladhaire | Fin: To disable compression, it would need to go through the entire table and decompress it en-masse |
| 22:07.46 | cladhaire | in short, no. |
| 22:07.53 | Fin | I mean, I'd like to be able to search by quest title maybe? |
| 22:08.09 | Fin | cladhaire: but, isn't that what it's doing anyway every time you search? :) |
| 22:08.14 | Fin | that's the only reason I'm asking... |
| 22:08.25 | Fin | since you care about performance etc |
| 22:08.35 | Fin | :P |
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| 22:09.17 | cladhaire | its possible. |
| 22:09.25 | cladhaire | lemme code it up really quick |
| 22:10.21 | Fin | it's just, seems like the benefits of compression are lost if you're searching through the entire set of data anyway... sorry, I don't mean to be one of those annoying users who keep asking for new little features, I hate it when people do that to me |
| 22:10.51 | cladhaire | well, the compression _i_ see as a good thing overall. |
| 22:10.59 | Industrial | haha Why do I like GS so much? http://i14.tinypic.com/47ni747.jpg |
| 22:11.01 | cladhaire | searching yes, would make the db explode |
| 22:12.08 | cladhaire | Fin: Not at the moment, no.. there's no way to tell whether an item is compressed or not |
| 22:12.37 | cladhaire | I could add a header, but that seems to remove the benefit of compressing in the first place. |
| 22:12.47 | zenzelezz | Industrial: GS? |
| 22:12.59 | Fin | I think it's a great idea to compress the database for normal use |
| 22:13.32 | Fin | how about just a flag for 100% compressed or uncompressed data? |
| 22:13.37 | cladhaire | Fin: The problem is.. decompressing the entire database takes a shitton of time on my C2Duo |
| 22:13.46 | cladhaire | Fin: It can't be done in one time slice |
| 22:13.48 | cladhaire | it has to be in a coroutine. |
| 22:13.56 | Fin | cladhaire: but if you're decompressing it every time you search *anyway*..? |
| 22:14.00 | cladhaire | *sigh* |
| 22:14.05 | cladhaire | it takes 2 minutes to do it |
| 22:14.10 | cladhaire | in a coroutine. |
| 22:14.16 | cladhaire | if they do a lookup in that 2 minutes |
| 22:14.22 | cladhaire | i have to know whether its compressed or not. |
| 22:14.23 | Fin | does it take 2 minutes to search every time then? |
| 22:14.25 | cladhaire | per element they request |
| 22:14.28 | cladhaire | yes, it does |
| 22:14.37 | cladhaire | this is a 1.5 meg compressed database at 60% compression |
| 22:14.51 | cladhaire | you're missing the point, entirely. |
| 22:14.53 | cladhaire | yes i agree with you |
| 22:14.54 | MentalPower | what if you only do it when the user searches |
| 22:14.57 | cladhaire | decompressing once would speed it up. |
| 22:15.02 | Fin | personally, and I guess you don't agree, but I'd prefer a 3MB database |
| 22:15.18 | cladhaire | Fin: thats just file size, that's not even considering the cost of the lua table. |
| 22:15.20 | cladhaire | i'm not sold on the compression |
| 22:15.23 | Industrial | zenzelezz: goldshire |
| 22:15.24 | cladhaire | i spent like 2 seconds on it. |
| 22:15.33 | cladhaire | but it does provide benefit. |
| 22:15.37 | cladhaire | this isn't meant to be a search enging |
| 22:15.41 | cladhaire | engine |
| 22:15.54 | Fin | sure, I think maybe that's the point then |
| 22:15.56 | Industrial | zenzelezz: its full of anoying people that follow and wanna duel you |
| 22:15.58 | cladhaire | it probably _could_ be, but I'm not sure thats where I want to head with it. |
| 22:16.02 | MentalPower | ie, since its being decompressed anyways, keep the uncompressed versions around and nuke the compressed versions once we're done |
| 22:16.04 | cladhaire | its supposed to give you info on the quest syou have in your log. |
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| 22:16.18 | cladhaire | MentalPower: Aye, thats the best I can do |
| 22:16.25 | cladhaire | which doubles the size of the table until its done. |
| 22:16.34 | cladhaire | which will make things even nastier. |
| 22:16.45 | Fin | well |
| 22:16.48 | cladhaire | why do you need to search the comments, or quest titles of stuff that isn't in your quest log? |
| 22:16.57 | cladhaire | that's what _i_ don't get |
| 22:17.32 | cladhaire | now if you said category browser |
| 22:17.36 | cladhaire | I'd think differently, |
| 22:17.38 | Fin | I tried to explain before, sorry - basically because sometimes I have trouble finding a quest in my log, for one reason or another |
| 22:17.38 | cladhaire | but thats not a search |
| 22:17.52 | cladhaire | Fin: That doesn't seem like a good reasno for me.. you only have 25 quests. |
| 22:17.52 | cladhaire | .. |
| 22:18.04 | Fin | normally when I pick up an item that completes a quest, and I have a bunch of completed quests already in a zone, and that quest isn't in the zone |
| 22:18.06 | cladhaire | It'll take you longer to check each of them then even with a decompressed database to find it. |
| 22:18.27 | Fin | and searching the comments would be great for finding things like locations of quest guys |
| 22:18.28 | cladhaire | well, whats to say that it would be in the comments to begin with |
| 22:18.50 | cladhaire | seems to me like you're trying to kill a flea with a nuke |
| 22:18.57 | Fin | searching comments isn't as important as titles and synopses though, really |
| 22:18.58 | cladhaire | imho, of course. |
| 22:19.08 | cladhaire | you can't search synopis. |
| 22:19.11 | cladhaire | which is why i'm confused. |
| 22:19.31 | cladhaire | that data set would be extremely immense. |
| 22:19.35 | Fin | originally I didn't actually put "comments" when I suggested searching earlier - I edited the line and added it :) |
| 22:20.59 | cladhaire | well, do you see wh i think searching for comments is useless? |
| 22:20.59 | Fin | yes |
| 22:20.59 | cladhaire | given how long on this small of an optimized data set, it takes to complete? |
| 22:21.00 | cladhaire | now, i'd be 100% up for categorizing quests based on zone |
| 22:21.00 | cladhaire | so you can find all horde quests in uldaman, for example. |
| 22:21.00 | Fin | oh hey |
| 22:21.00 | cladhaire | that would be very useful to me. |
| 22:21.00 | Fin | that's another thing I've wanted since the patch (and this isn't a request :) |
| 22:21.00 | cladhaire | and i can easily add that |
| 22:21.00 | Fin | an addon that lets you change a quest's category |
| 22:21.00 | Industrial | Rogue question: How should I macro for pickpocketing? |
| 22:21.00 | Fin | Mars used to have one, it was dead simple and exactly what I wanted |
| 22:21.18 | Fin | highlight a question, type /qcat <category> (or something like that), and it changed the quest category to <category> |
| 22:21.39 | Fin | Industrial: there's a macro I saw today on ui.w... sec |
| 22:22.29 | cladhaire | Fin: that woudl be neat, you shoudl write it =) |
| 22:22.46 | Fin | gah, no useful titles in ui.w pages, impossible to search my history |
| 22:23.29 | Fin | cladhaire: I have a file started and http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetQuestLogTitle open in my browser! |
| 22:23.39 | cladhaire | lol *cheer* |
| 22:23.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | mmm |
| 22:23.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | just had a triple shot of espresso |
| 22:24.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | i think i'm gonna have a heart attack |
| 22:24.19 | TC_Working | the geek version of crank |
| 22:24.57 | Fin | Mr_Rabies2: are you *hrm* frothing at the mouth? |
| 22:24.58 | Fin | ahaha |
| 22:25.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | no but the coffee was |
| 22:25.09 | TC_Working | *groan* |
| 22:25.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | it had like an inch of crema |
| 22:25.25 | cladhaire | i'm re-running the parse script, changing the table key to include category |
| 22:25.54 | cladhaire | which will make it possible to return all results from a particular cat, like "Leatherworking", or "Uldaman |
| 22:25.54 | Fin | ah, awesome |
| 22:26.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | speaking of crank i need to pick that movie up on dvd |
| 22:26.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | that was an entertaining movie |
| 22:26.26 | Fin | now write an API, change it into a library, and update all the other addons to use it for their quest categorisation |
| 22:26.39 | cladhaire | they already use it. |
| 22:26.42 | cladhaire | its the same one the game uses. |
| 22:26.57 | cladhaire | Fin: if you want quest givers, get a mapnotes addon that sores them, simple enough =) |
| 22:27.03 | cladhaire | TomTom will work intimately with LightHeaded eventually |
| 22:27.19 | Fin | ohh... I thought it might be something sensible |
| 22:27.41 | cladhaire | how is that not sensible? |
| 22:28.16 | Fin | it did cross my mind that it would be nice if qcomments autocreated map notes for me for quest givers... heh |
| 22:28.58 | cladhaire | why would qcomments do that? |
| 22:29.06 | Fin | it wouldn't |
| 22:29.09 | cladhaire | stop wanting the kitchen sink, and get addons that do exactly what you ecpect them to do =) |
| 22:29.14 | Fin | it really did cross my mind |
| 22:29.18 | Fin | hey! |
| 22:29.20 | cladhaire | lol |
| 22:29.43 | Fin | I never actually requested it! :) |
| 22:34.43 | Tem | oh wow |
| 22:34.47 | Tem | I hate my probabilyt teacher |
| 22:34.54 | Tem | I have an 89.998 |
| 22:35.02 | Corrodias | imma loggin mah orc! |
| 22:35.24 | Tem | which lists as a B on my mid term grade report |
| 22:35.34 | Fin | aawwww shit! |
| 22:35.36 | Fin | man! |
| 22:35.42 | Fin | what a bastard! |
| 22:35.43 | Tem | (it's a10 point scale. a 90 is an A) |
| 22:36.02 | Tem | not worried about it |
| 22:36.13 | Tem | I've got a 97 and 100 on the two tests we've had |
| 22:36.21 | Tem | he *can't* give me a B |
| 22:36.24 | Fin | still, what a bastard |
| 22:36.49 | Tem | sure, it's my fault for being lazy and not doing the homework |
| 22:36.55 | Tem | but clearly I didn't need it |
| 22:36.59 | cladhaire | okay.. LightHeaded now have categories in the data files |
| 22:37.08 | cladhaire | so i can implement a search if necessary |
| 22:37.31 | Tem | cladhaire, that still doesn't help with quests that are for a place but don't list under that category |
| 22:37.48 | Tem | For example, there's a mage quest to go get a book in SM, but it lists as "Mage" instead of SM |
| 22:37.58 | Tem | so it's kinda moot |
| 22:38.08 | Tem | if you want to know that kind of information, search out of game |
| 22:38.34 | Fin | cladhaire: excellent |
| 22:38.45 | Fin | I think |
| 22:39.01 | cladhaire | Tem: Thats the point |
| 22:39.04 | cladhaire | I can't give much more than that |
| 22:39.07 | cladhaire | I _could_ |
| 22:39.08 | Fin | -I think+cladhaire: could I see the import script from wowhead? |
| 22:39.11 | cladhaire | but it would be bad news bears for everyone. |
| 22:39.20 | cladhaire | Fin: Not unless there's a good reason |
| 22:39.21 | kergoth | opinion, what attributes are of most importance for an enh shammy? ap/crit, agi,str,int? |
| 22:39.24 | Fin | might be easy to parse the input to seperate synopses or something |
| 22:39.43 | cladhaire | i could get the quest data easily |
| 22:39.47 | cladhaire | if that's what you're asking. |
| 22:39.49 | Tem | kergoth, 2 hander or sword and board? |
| 22:39.54 | cladhaire | i'm still now sure what i'll do with that |
| 22:40.04 | cladhaire | i could include it as a load on demand addon |
| 22:40.05 | cladhaire | dunno |
| 22:40.27 | Tem | kergoth, 2 hander, I think ap/crit |
| 22:40.32 | cladhaire | I don't want people to start pounding Wowhead with my script |
| 22:40.39 | Tem | if with a sheild I'd go for regular stats |
| 22:40.49 | cladhaire | Fin: But a limited quest database wouldn't be horrible |
| 22:40.50 | Tem | simply because they increase damage and blocking power |
| 22:40.52 | kergoth | i'm dw currently |
| 22:40.57 | cladhaire | I could include it, just not sure what i'd do with it. |
| 22:41.07 | kergoth | 50 points in enh, have stormstrike and shamanistic rage |
| 22:41.17 | Tem | <3 SS |
| 22:41.31 | cladhaire | Fin: I'm logging, so hurry up and respond to me. |
| 22:42.25 | cladhaire | and we're off |
| 22:42.26 | cladhaire | peace out folks |
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| 22:42.59 | Fin | hello! |
| 22:43.11 | Fin | too late |
| 22:43.28 | Tem | *sigh* time to head to work |
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| 23:07.16 | Fin | Industrial: that rogue macro I was going to give you the URL for is crap |
| 23:07.24 | Fin | sorry |
| 23:08.25 | Corrodias | as a bear... |
| 23:08.50 | Corrodias | do i want 1000 armor (in form) or 18 agility and 6 stamina? |
| 23:08.50 | Fin | Corrodias: que? |
| 23:09.01 | Fin | oh |
| 23:14.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | link to the items you're comparing :O |
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| 23:21.40 | pakoz | this isnt really mod related, but anyone know where i can get a detailed cliff note version of warcraft lore? |
| 23:22.05 | pakoz | detailed cliff notes is somewhat of an oxymoron ;x but yea~ |
| 23:29.51 | Industrial | Fin: got it :) |
| 23:30.09 | Fin | pakoz: try asking on #wowwiki |
| 23:30.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | wowwiki has pretty much all the stuff you'd ever want to know about canon |
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| 23:36.57 | ravagernl | can anyone help me why I cant get a sound with this: even my debug function doesnt work http://pastey.net/9368 |
| 23:37.56 | JoshBorke | wereHamster: ping |
| 23:38.40 | wereHamster | JoshBorke, pong |
| 23:39.03 | JoshBorke | help with cooldown! :-( i can't get the main frame to show |
| 23:39.09 | JoshBorke | did it change from coolDown:Show()? |
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| 23:40.01 | wereHamster | lemme check |
| 23:40.32 | JoshBorke | maybe my saved variables are fubaring it, i'll try deleting those too |
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| 23:46.56 | wereHamster | JoshBorke, did that help? |
| 23:47.28 | JoshBorke | no :-/ |
| 23:47.37 | JoshBorke | all the frames are showing up right in the middle of my screen |
| 23:50.13 | JoshBorke | oh wait! |
| 23:50.23 | JoshBorke | nvm, it changed when you went to IFrameManager |
| 23:50.34 | JoshBorke | i'm just an idiot |
| 23:50.42 | wereHamster | ? |
| 23:50.53 | JoshBorke | i click the frame on the minimap to show it and then move it where i want |
