| 00:12.14 | cladhaire | kneeki: You scan until you run out of debuffs |
| 00:12.18 | cladhaire | UnitDebuff(unit, index) |
| 00:12.37 | kneeki | yeah, that's what I'm doing now. I was just hoping for a quick function to return it |
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| 00:18.14 | GeoTypePerson | Clad, would <OnUpdate> be a good way of check if another string is oncoming..? |
| 00:18.35 | cladhaire | no |
| 00:18.44 | cladhaire | like i said, you need to signify in your original message, that its multi-part. |
| 00:19.34 | GeoTypePerson | I know, I said I was planning on doing that. But, what happens if something stops said message from arriving, or someone uses the text signal without using the script. It would 'eat' the text. |
| 00:20.28 | cladhaire | yes, you have to deal with that on your end of things |
| 00:20.33 | cladhaire | and time isn't a good way to do it. |
| 00:20.42 | cladhaire | use a string that the user cannot use |
| 00:20.49 | cladhaire | or is extremely unlikely |
| 00:20.54 | cladhaire | or use one of the libraries =) |
| 00:20.56 | GeoTypePerson | Not sure how I would go about doing that..? |
| 00:20.59 | GeoTypePerson | No libraries. xD |
| 00:21.30 | cladhaire | well, if you control input/output |
| 00:21.31 | GeoTypePerson | Hrm.. |
| 00:21.37 | cladhaire | then check to ensure they don't use high ascii |
| 00:21.43 | cladhaire | and use a high ascii string to send that information |
| 00:21.55 | GeoTypePerson | Ahhh, that would work, using the find, or something like that. |
| 00:22.42 | GeoTypePerson | Is there anyway a sent message could be stopped before it arrives at the person you send it to? |
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| 00:23.09 | cladhaire | depends on what you mean |
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| 00:23.26 | GeoTypePerson | Like, you send a person a whisper, but they never receive it. |
| 00:24.24 | cladhaire | you have to hook the chatframes and such |
| 00:24.26 | cladhaire | but no |
| 00:24.29 | cladhaire | there's no way to ensure they don't get it |
| 00:24.32 | cladhaire | since the event will be sent either way |
| 00:24.38 | cladhaire | you can just stop the default chat frames from displaying it. |
| 00:24.46 | GeoTypePerson | I'm not asking to insure they don't, I was asking if something else would stop it. |
| 00:24.49 | cladhaire | no |
| 00:25.04 | GeoTypePerson | Ah, then there should be no problem. |
| 00:28.36 | GeoTypePerson | Do messages always arrive in the order they are sent? |
| 00:30.54 | cladhaire | yes |
| 00:31.01 | GeoTypePerson | Stupid question, right? |
| 00:31.18 | GeoTypePerson | Would sending a Chat message, and an AddonMessage work? |
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| 00:32.28 | GeoTypePerson | Don't mind me, I'm talking to myself. xD |
| 00:42.31 | cladhaire | heh |
| 00:44.37 | GeoTypePerson | Damn, wouldn't work, if you can't send it to a specific person. |
| 00:50.29 | sioraiocht | cladhaire: HI |
| 00:51.07 | cladhaire | hi |
| 00:54.40 | GeoTypePerson | SendAddonMessage can't be sent to specific people, can it? |
| 00:56.51 | cladhaire | no |
| 00:56.51 | cladhaire | intentionally |
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| 00:56.52 | cladhaire | only those in raid, guild, party, battleground. |
| 00:58.37 | cladhaire | the why is easy |
| 00:58.50 | cladhaire | it doesn't scale |
| 00:59.00 | cladhaire | if its available then p2p communication gets WAY out of hand |
| 00:59.06 | cladhaire | with people pinging other people to see if they have addon X |
| 00:59.06 | GeoTypePerson | Yep. |
| 00:59.13 | Garoun|Loupana | anyone know if there is an easy way to reset just the main tank window in ORA2 |
| 00:59.17 | GeoTypePerson | I hadn't thought of it like that. |
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| 01:01.55 | SynthosX_ | my router blows. |
| 01:02.03 | GeoTypePerson | Use it as a fan. |
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| 01:03.12 | SynthosX | fucking router |
| 01:03.19 | SynthosX | dlink piece of crap |
| 01:03.41 | Tem | spend a bit of money and buy a cisco |
| 01:03.52 | SynthosX | miah |
| 01:04.13 | SynthosX | if i bought a new router it would probbably be version that runs linux and can load custom firmware |
| 01:04.18 | zenzelezz | or something inbetween |
| 01:04.32 | GeoTypePerson | Patterns are like, Regular Expressions, right? |
| 01:05.25 | Tem | similies are like the same right? |
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| 01:18.05 | GeoTypePerson | BORKE! |
| 01:19.10 | JoshBorke | that's bad |
| 01:19.23 | JoshBorke | well, it could be good, if you know what i mean ;- |
| 01:19.24 | GeoTypePerson | How's it goin'? |
| 01:19.38 | JoshBorke | not too bad |
| 01:19.45 | JoshBorke | yourself? |
| 01:19.47 | GeoTypePerson | Glad 'a here that. |
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| 01:25.04 | GeoTypePerson | Tables.. |
| 01:25.12 | Industrial | pwn. |
| 01:25.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | Chairs.. |
| 01:25.20 | Industrial | Mr_Rabies2 wins |
| 01:25.38 | Shirik | o.o |
| 01:25.57 | GeoTypePerson | Odd people. |
| 01:26.34 | JoshBorke | indeed |
| 01:26.37 | JoshBorke | i like rocks personally |
| 01:26.42 | Shirik | rocks ftw. |
| 01:29.33 | GeoTypePerson | Is there a way to forcably delete tables? |
| 01:30.08 | cladhaire | no, you can nil out any reference to it, and it will be garbage collected. |
| 01:30.13 | cladhaire | i.e. tableName = nil |
| 01:30.14 | JoshBorke | what cladhaire typed |
| 01:30.17 | GeoTypePerson | Ahhh, alright. |
| 01:30.20 | cladhaire | but that doesn't erradicate any other references to the table. |
| 01:30.32 | GeoTypePerson | Of course. |
| 01:30.51 | Shirik | And this |
| 01:30.55 | Shirik | is why garbage collection sucks. |
| 01:30.56 | Tem | you could be a douche and nil all of the keys |
| 01:31.03 | Shirik | Aside from it mimicing a vacuum |
| 01:31.04 | Tem | Shirik, I disagree |
| 01:31.25 | cladhaire | Shirik: Meh, opinion, not fact =) |
| 01:31.31 | Shirik | ok, opinion |
| 01:31.38 | Shirik | but I hate garbage collectors |
| 01:31.46 | cladhaire | well, in an _embedded_ scripting langauge for a video game |
| 01:31.50 | cladhaire | its almost required. |
| 01:31.55 | cladhaire | so for WoW, it makes sense |
| 01:32.04 | Shirik | Luckily Lua is actually a rather robust scripting language so, despite my hate for garbage collectors, I do like the language |
| 01:32.10 | Tem | when I think back to new and delete (or god forbid, malloc and free), I LOVE garbage collection |
| 01:32.18 | Shirik | I disagree |
| 01:32.26 | Shirik | I would take new/delete over garbage collection any day |
| 01:32.29 | Shirik | but it's a personal opinion |
| 01:32.43 | Shirik | but one fact remains |
| 01:32.57 | Shirik | is that there would be (god knows how many) tons of memory leaks if garbage collection didn't exist in wow |
| 01:33.08 | Shirik | people don't pay enough attention when coding addons to avoid that |
| 01:33.27 | cladhaire | indeed. |
| 01:33.42 | JoshBorke | i like to create tables in every function just for the heck of it |
| 01:33.52 | Shirik | And Tem |
| 01:33.56 | Shirik | I do happen to have a function that does that >< |
| 01:34.05 | Shirik | 21:31:08 ‹+Tem› you could be a douche and nil all of the keys |
| 01:34.26 | cladhaire | ... |
| 01:34.26 | GeoTypePerson | I'm trying to keep them down in mine, but besides 'exploding' strings, some things I want to do don't seem viable otherwise. |
| 01:34.32 | Shirik | the purpose is |
| 01:34.37 | Shirik | if you've made several references to the table |
| 01:34.45 | Shirik | nilling the table won't get it GCed |
| 01:34.49 | Shirik | (nilling one place) |
| 01:34.58 | Tem | manage your tables better imo |
| 01:34.59 | Shirik | so by destroying the whole table you'll get as close as you can |
| 01:35.03 | Shirik | It wasn't written for me |
| 01:35.11 | Shirik | it's just a utility function I threw in there way back a while ago |
| 01:35.21 | Tem | the only time you should "lose track" of a table is if you pass it out to an outside source |
| 01:36.06 | cladhaire | for k,v in pairs(tbl) do tbl[k] = nil setmetatable(tbl, nil) really doesn't need to be a function =/ |
| 01:36.16 | Cide | I'm a fan of debug.sethook(function() local t = { } end, "l") |
| 01:36.34 | Shirik | that won't hit everything |
| 01:36.51 | Cide | it will hit enough! |
| 01:36.52 | Industrial | is it possible to do this mith a macro: cast Judgement or seal of command |
| 01:36.55 | cladhaire | Shirik: .. yes it will. |
| 01:37.03 | cladhaire | you didn't ask to nil all the tables in side that =) |
| 01:37.06 | cladhaire | you asked how to delete a table :P |
| 01:37.07 | Shirik | >>> a = { b = { c = { 1 } } }; d = c; |
| 01:37.07 | Cide | Shirik: |
| 01:37.08 | Shirik | bah |
| 01:37.10 | Shirik | ok |
| 01:37.13 | cladhaire | .. those are inner tables =) |
| 01:37.14 | Industrial | I tried a castsequence that resets after 30 sec |
| 01:37.15 | cladhaire | call the function on them |
| 01:37.20 | Shirik | You said that before I typed it all out :P |
| 01:37.23 | cladhaire | if you want a deep nil of a table, then that's trivial too =) |
| 01:37.26 | cladhaire | heh |
| 01:37.30 | Industrial | but that doesnt really work if you change seals before judging |
| 01:37.36 | cladhaire | Industrial: your mom is a seal |
| 01:37.40 | Shirik | ooooh! |
| 01:38.47 | Shirik | "cast judgment or seal of command" |
| 01:38.47 | Shirik | what does that mean? |
| 01:38.48 | Shirik | do /cast [modifier:alt] Judgement; Seal of Command |
| 01:38.48 | Shirik | that'll do one or the other :P |
| 01:38.48 | Tem | why not just judge first? |
| 01:38.49 | Industrial | no modifier |
| 01:38.49 | Industrial | :P |
| 01:38.53 | Shirik | be more specific :P |
| 01:39.02 | Tem | judgement doesn't have a gcd does it? |
| 01:39.06 | Industrial | Tem: will it cast the other if i cant judge at that time? |
| 01:39.08 | Shirik | I dunno I don't have a pally |
| 01:39.13 | Shirik | no it wouldn't |
| 01:39.16 | Shirik | er wait |
| 01:39.17 | Tem | iirc, judgement doesn't start the gcd |
| 01:39.23 | Tem | and you can't judge if you don't have a seal up |
| 01:39.27 | Industrial | no it doesnt |
| 01:39.32 | Industrial | correct |
| 01:39.38 | Tem | so just use an old style brute force macro |
| 01:39.52 | haste | bruteforce, mmmm |
| 01:39.54 | Industrial | cant I just /cast Judgement /stopcasting /cast Seal of Command ? |
| 01:39.58 | Industrial | can* |
| 01:40.01 | JoshBorke | Industrial: yes |
| 01:40.03 | Industrial | \o/ |
| 01:40.03 | Tem | yep |
| 01:40.05 | Industrial | win. |
| 01:40.09 | Tem | and you may not need the stopcasting |
| 01:40.13 | cladhaire | okay, bbl |
| 01:40.13 | Industrial | k |
| 01:40.16 | JoshBorke | bb |
| 01:40.42 | Shirik | You will need the stopcasting |
| 01:40.57 | Shirik | based on others' comments |
| 01:41.08 | zenzelezz | should be easy enough to test |
| 01:41.25 | Industrial | cladhaire: we be clubbin :D http://babyseals.ytmnd.com/ |
| 01:42.00 | Shirik | From what I've been told |
| 01:42.11 | Shirik | if you miss the stopcasting, you'll get "Another action is in progress" because of latency |
| 01:42.17 | Shirik | unless you have a 0ms ping, that'll happen |
| 01:42.27 | Shirik | and if that's the case, you're a GM and don't need macros |
| 01:42.35 | Shirik | just write an addon and have blizzard sign it :P |
| 01:42.46 | Industrial | heh |
| 01:47.39 | Tem | There's a version of the client that doesn't have the tainting implemented at all |
| 01:48.04 | wereHamster | where's the torrent? :P |
| 01:48.53 | Tem | lol |
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| 01:52.37 | GeoTypePerson | Hrm.. |
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| 02:25.31 | Gngsk | Industrial, think you might get that pally past 30? |
| 02:26.43 | Industrial | 25 tonight. |
| 02:26.47 | Industrial | well, before i get to sleep |
| 02:26.50 | Industrial | ding 22 |
| 02:26.56 | Industrial | >:) |
| 02:27.02 | Gngsk | grats! |
| 02:37.20 | Shadowed | Anyone logged in? |
| 02:37.38 | Shadowed | thats in an arena team |
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| 03:17.51 | zenzelezz | hm, do you register for "CHAT_MSG_COMBAT_SELF_HITS" (etc) or just "CHAT_MSG"? |
| 03:21.56 | Bleeter | Cairenn|afk: ping |
| 03:22.15 | Shirik | zenzelezz: CHAT_MSG_WHATEVER |
| 03:22.24 | zenzelezz | Shirik: thanks =) |
| 03:22.32 | Shirik | depending on what you want |
| 03:22.41 | Shirik | you could potentially register for..... |
| 03:22.44 | Shirik | what's that new one |
| 03:23.42 | Shirik | COMBAT_TEXT_UPDATE |
| 03:24.00 | Shirik | was added in 1.12 and can help you find several things with only one event |
| 03:24.10 | Shirik | not entirely intended for that purpose, but it works |
| 03:25.00 | zenzelezz | hm, not a bad one |
| 03:27.16 | Corrodias | okay, why doesn't this work as a macro? :( /castsequence Find Minerals; Find Herbs |
| 03:29.44 | GeoTypePerson | Shouldn't it be, ',' instead of ';'? |
| 03:33.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | ywep |
| 03:33.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | er yep, comma not semicolon |
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| 03:36.17 | Corrodias | aha |
| 03:36.29 | Corrodias | thanks |
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| 05:16.07 | Cairenn|afk | Bleeter: pong |
| 05:17.36 | Shirik | 6851000ms response time |
| 05:17.41 | Shirik | you must be on brighthouse |
| 05:17.54 | Calliee|Work | lol |
| 05:21.07 | Cairenn|afk | more like, out for the evening :) |
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| 05:25.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | out... |
| 05:25.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | ...side? |
| 05:25.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | but there's bears out there |
| 05:25.35 | Shirik | and sun |
| 05:26.01 | Shirik | scary stuff |
| 05:26.09 | Shirik | sun causes cancer you know |
| 05:26.12 | Shirik | best stay inside all your life |
| 05:26.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | sun... |
| 05:26.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | you mean...the day star? |
| 05:26.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | hisssss |
| 05:31.18 | Cairenn|afk | lol |
| 05:31.25 | Cairenn|afk | some of us like the sun |
| 05:32.07 | Cairenn|afk | it gives us vitamin D |
| 05:32.15 | Cairenn|afk | it makes us happy |
| 05:32.34 | Tem | that's what they make vitamine D milk for |
| 05:32.48 | Calliee|Work | hehe |
| 05:33.11 | Tem | Cairenn|afk, it may be different in looney-land, but the sun around here means, it's hot |
| 05:33.36 | Cairenn|afk | means it here, too, some of us like that |
| 05:33.57 | Tem | I can tolerate hot weather, but only with a functioning AC |
| 05:34.11 | Tem | but give me cold weather any day over hot weather |
| 05:34.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's too damn humid here |
| 05:34.23 | Tem | same here, Mr_Rabies2 |
| 05:34.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's 80 degrees and 85% humidity |
| 05:34.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | today, it was |
| 05:34.44 | Tem | that's be nice |
| 05:34.49 | Tem | that'd |
| 05:35.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | no, no it's not :[ |
| 05:35.03 | Tem | I can't remember the last time it was <100% humidity |
| 05:35.24 | Tem | (during the day) |
| 05:35.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | uh i thought 100% meant it was pretty much either raining or very close to it |
| 05:36.05 | Tem | nah |
| 05:36.28 | Tem | It does mean that if you go outside with a peice of paper, it very quickly becomes paper mache |
| 05:36.52 | Cairenn|afk | cool! easy to make pinatas then! |
| 05:37.03 | Calliee|Work | lol |
| 05:37.17 | Tem | Mr_Rabies2, you might be thinking of the Dew Point |
| 05:37.58 | Cairenn|afk | so, I'm trying to figure out the downside here ... pinatas, paper mache masks, paper mache sculptures ... |
| 05:38.16 | Cairenn|afk | ;) |
| 05:38.27 | Calliee|Work | Well, technically I think you're *at* the dewpoint if your at 100% humidity as well |
| 05:38.47 | Tem | Cairenn|afk, it's always hot |
| 05:38.51 | Tem | *always* |
| 05:39.03 | Tem | I wore a jacket twice this "winter" |
| 05:39.29 | Cairenn | I know, and I actually get bothered by it too, when it gets really bad |
| 05:39.37 | Cairenn | I can be most appreciative of A/C as well |
| 05:39.53 | Cairenn | but I hate the cold so very much more |
| 05:40.10 | Tem | once I graduate, I hope I can find a job somewhere cold |
| 05:40.21 | Tem | I'm _so_ sick of hot weather |
| 05:41.07 | Calliee|Work | lol |
| 05:41.15 | Calliee|Work | move up here, then you get both |
| 05:41.38 | Tem | Calliee|Work, where is "here?" |
| 05:41.42 | Tem | Kirkburn|afk, why? |
| 05:41.43 | Kirkburn|afk | And he keeps demanding things from me :( |
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| 05:41.59 | Tem | Kirkburn|afk, don't tell me you still haven't put up a favicon.. |
| 05:42.02 | Calliee|Work | we get down around 0F in the winter (sometimes as low as -30F) and up to the 80-90F range in the summer |
| 05:42.07 | Kirkburn|afk | I live in the UK, what the hell is hot weather? |
| 05:42.32 | Kirkburn|afk | Tem, the server people are somwhat busy with product launches atm |
| 05:42.36 | Calliee|Work | Fargo, ND |
| 05:42.43 | Tem | ND? |
| 05:42.46 | Tem | well that's your problem |
| 05:42.51 | Tem | landlocked = shitty weather |
| 05:42.51 | Calliee|Work | North Dakota |
| 05:42.53 | Cairenn | North Dakota, I'm presuming |
| 05:42.59 | Jocco_S | 7(4 Winamp 7)14 hotwired3 0:04 7(4 Metal 7)14 |
| 05:43.23 | Cairenn | lol, pretty good when the Canuck knows the state abbreviation and the US person doesn't :p |
| 05:43.32 | Tem | Cairenn, I knew the abbreviation |
| 05:43.49 | Kirkburn|afk | I didn't! |
| 05:44.02 | Tem | (though, I'll admit that "Notre Dame" went through my head first) |
| 05:44.36 | Calliee|Work | LOL |
| 05:45.00 | Kirkburn|afk | I need ideas for April 1st! |
| 05:45.15 | Tem | yeah, I've been thinking about it, Kirkburn|afk, but nothing comes to mind |
| 05:45.17 | Calliee|Work | Actually I live in Moorhead Minnesota, but more people know where Fargo is (right across the river, I could throw a rock and hit it) |
| 05:45.44 | Kirkburn|afk | Cairenn, ooooh |
| 05:46.10 | Cairenn | partly because I worry that it may get us sued :p |
| 05:46.21 | Tem | lol... http://ontarioisemo.ytmnd.com/ |
| 05:46.22 | Kirkburn|afk | Cairenn, OOOOOooohhh :P |
| 05:46.56 | Kirkburn|afk | Requestationum time! Can I have some comments on http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Kirkburn/Dev2 ? :) |
| 05:48.00 | Tem | What am I looking at, Kirkburn|afk |
| 05:48.39 | Shirik | You have a typo |
| 05:48.53 | Shirik | the page should be http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Kirkburn|afk/Dev2 |
| 05:49.10 | Kirkburn|afk | lol |
| 05:49.16 | Shirik | on a more serious note |
| 05:49.17 | Kirkburn|afk | A redesigned front page |
| 05:49.20 | Shirik | I have to say I don't exactly like it |
| 05:49.32 | Kirkburn|afk | Wieso? |
| 05:49.45 | Shirik | I thought the fact that the API was blocked out in a different color made sense |
| 05:49.50 | Kirkburn|afk | I forget if that even means "why so?" |
| 05:49.51 | Shirik | and you changed that |
| 05:50.23 | Shirik | Aside from that .... I /do/ like the featured article |
| 05:50.52 | Kirkburn|afk | woot |
| 05:50.55 | Shirik | and news |
| 05:51.22 | Kirkburn|afk | I'll see if I can work in a method of making the Interface Bit a different colour again later |
| 05:51.40 | Shirik | It just looks too.... I dunno... bland? without that part offset |
| 05:51.52 | Shirik | and it might scare people away that don't know what an API is, I dunno :P |
| 05:52.07 | Shirik | at least when it was a different color, people would understand it's something very different from lore, gameplay, etc. |
| 05:52.17 | Kirkburn|afk | True, true |
| 05:52.26 | Shirik | So what it boils down to... I like the content, just not the presentation |
| 05:53.09 | Shirik | mmm |
| 05:53.13 | Shirik | I think I'm just being really picky |
| 05:53.17 | Shirik | it's a pretty good job actually |
| 05:53.30 | Kirkburn|afk | It's hard to work with a dark grey bg :( |
| 05:53.55 | Shirik | lol @ Calliee|Work |
| 05:54.05 | Shirik | ~comfort Calliee|Work |
| 05:54.19 | purl | There, there, Calliee|Work. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 05:54.19 | Shirik | >.> |
| 05:54.23 | Shirik | thank you |
| 05:54.43 | Shirik | purl, ping |
| 05:54.45 | purl | pong |
| 05:56.23 | Kirkburn|afk | ~shirley |
| 05:56.25 | purl | I'm doing everything I can, and stop calling me Shirley! |
| 05:56.33 | Calliee|Work | First impression I'm not to keen on the colors, makes it a bit hard to read imo |
| 05:56.40 | Shirik | but when you think about it |
| 05:56.48 | Shirik | the color scheme is almost exactly what it was before |
| 05:56.52 | Tem | I do not think he will be too keen |
| 05:56.52 | Shirik | that doesn't make it good |
| 05:56.57 | Tem | you see, we already 'ave one |
| 05:57.09 | Shirik | but it means it's not worse, at least not much worse |
| 05:57.19 | Shirik | (don't take that as a negative comment, it's positive despite the tone) |
| 05:57.28 | Calliee|Work | I do like the layout and organization |
| 05:58.46 | Kirkburn|afk | All your comments are useful :) |
| 06:00.28 | Kirkburn|afk | ~eel |
| 06:00.30 | purl | Uh ... my hovercraft is full of eels? |
| 06:00.47 | Shirik | ~snake |
| 06:00.49 | purl | rumour has it, snake is a 1337 Hax0r |
| 06:01.01 | Shirik | ~purl |
| 06:01.03 | purl | purl is probably one awesome bot! |
| 06:01.09 | Kirkburn|afk | ~coconuts |
| 06:01.10 | purl | I've got a lovely bunch of coconuts, there they are all standing in a row. Big ones, small ones, some as big as your head, give them a twist, a flick of the wrist, that's what the showman said! |
| 06:01.20 | Shirik | >< |
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| 06:04.34 | Calliee|Work | ~botsnack |
| 06:04.34 | purl | Calliee|Work: :) |
| 06:05.23 | Tem | gah, I'm so hungry |
| 06:06.22 | Tem | *sigh* |
| 06:07.13 | Calliee|Work | I was going to say... there's a solution to that ;) |
| 06:44.12 | Nom- | are there more than one rare spawns downstairs ? |
| 06:44.15 | Nom- | we just got the bat |
| 06:44.19 | Nom- | IN Karazhan |
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| 07:42.15 | Symian | 'lo - does anyone know what the border art is for the character frame which is brought up when you press the 'c' key? |
| 07:42.46 | Symian | I'm trying to make a tab page that uses a similiar style. |
| 07:44.13 | MentalPower | have you checked the XML? |
| 07:44.53 | Symian | Ah - yes, I just did, and found out the blizz frames don't use borders, they use textures. |
| 07:44.56 | Symian | Heh. Thanks anyway! |
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| 08:26.54 | Adys | mmm |
| 08:27.13 | pakoz | ooo |
| 08:27.14 | pakoz | <3 |
| 08:27.46 | Adys | Anything else you need to know?:p |
| 08:27.55 | pakoz | ya hehe |
| 08:27.59 | pakoz | 1 sec sry, getting you a pic |
| 08:28.37 | Adys | I suck at coding addons btw, if thats what you want help for |
| 08:28.38 | pakoz | http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/4127/asdqweuz2.jpg |
| 08:28.50 | pakoz | im just trying to get the cbripoff addon working |
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| 08:29.58 | Adys | um, Im not sure but try installing Ace |
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| 08:59.58 | Corrodias | oh god. http://img.4chan.org/b/src.cgi/1174812725290.jpg |
| 09:03.53 | ZealotOnAStick | Why would they want to go and screw up perfectly good cookies with sausage like that? |
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| 10:00.13 | MentalPower | gnight guys |
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| 10:17.15 | Corrodias | man, everything about male night elves is offensive |
| 10:17.34 | Corrodias | from their tendency to be rogues or hunters to the way they look |
| 10:17.46 | Corrodias | nah, the males aren't hunters so often |
| 10:31.43 | Corrodias | it's no surprise that orgrimmar is the most popular trading town, what with two races having an easy run up to it as their capital city for bank alts, but thunder bluff doesn't make you run half a mile to get to a forge and mining/blacksmith/whatever trainer :> |
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| 11:26.23 | kahdgarxi | Morning. |
| 11:26.52 | kahdgarxi | 'exit' stops a running function, correct? |
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| 11:31.13 | kahdgarxi | apparently not |
| 11:32.28 | kahdgarxi | How can your force a function to quit prematurely? |
| 11:35.40 | kahdgarxi | i.e., after an error check, in the case of an error, to prevent the rest of the function from running. |
| 11:37.25 | nuoHep | return |
| 11:37.52 | kahdgarxi | return has to be the last statement in a block |
| 11:38.13 | nuoHep | if error do return end |
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| 11:39.03 | kahdgarxi | and that will exit the entire function that is running the if statement? |
| 11:39.12 | nuoHep | yes |
| 11:39.15 | kahdgarxi | not just the if statement itself? |
| 11:39.16 | kahdgarxi | k |
| 11:42.00 | Cide | >>> x = "original value"; function test() if ( true ) then return; end x = "NEW VALUE THAT IS DIFFERENT FROM ORIGINAL" end test() print(x) |
| 11:42.01 | Cide | Cide: "original value" |
| 11:44.03 | kahdgarxi | thanks |
| 11:48.00 | kahdgarxi | >>> print(x) |
| 11:48.00 | Cide | kahdgarxi: |
| 11:48.13 | Cide | it's not saved between requests :P |
| 11:48.17 | kahdgarxi | yes, i know |
| 11:48.22 | kahdgarxi | i'm testing how nil variables are printed :P |
| 11:48.49 | kahdgarxi | >>> print("Mid"...x..."dle") |
| 11:48.50 | Cide | kahdgarxi: attempt to call a nil value |
| 11:48.51 | Cide | hmm, that should get printed |
| 11:48.58 | Cide | >>> print(nil, 1) |
| 11:48.59 | Cide | Cide: 1 |
| 11:49.03 | Cide | guess not |
| 11:49.10 | Cide | >>> nil, 1 |
| 11:49.10 | Cide | Cide: nil, 1 |
| 11:50.41 | kahdgarxi | hmmm |
| 11:51.00 | kahdgarxi | i'm trying to figure out how to do a conditional contatenation |
| 11:51.24 | kahdgarxi | concatenation* |
| 11:52.29 | Cide | >>> print(nil, 1) |
| 11:52.30 | Cide | Cide: nil, 1 |
| 11:52.33 | Cide | >>> print(x) |
| 11:52.33 | Cide | Cide: nil, 1 |
| 11:52.41 | Cide | >>> "hi" |
| 11:52.41 | Cide | Cide: nil, 1 |
| 11:53.20 | Cide | >>> print(nil, 1) |
| 11:53.20 | Cide | Cide: |
| 11:53.25 | Cide | >>> nil |
| 11:53.25 | Cide | Cide: |
| 11:53.33 | kahdgarxi | >>> yourmom |
| 11:53.34 | Cide | kahdgarxi: |
| 11:54.02 | kahdgarxi | >>> if |
| 11:54.02 | Cide | kahdgarxi: |
| 11:54.11 | kahdgarxi | >>> if true then |
| 11:54.11 | Cide | kahdgarxi: |
| 11:54.15 | kahdgarxi | apparently |
| 11:54.17 | kahdgarxi | if doesn't give you errors |
| 11:54.36 | Cide | it's a bit bugged |
| 11:54.53 | Cide | >>> nil |
| 11:54.53 | Cide | Cide: |
| 11:55.01 | Cide | >>> if then |
| 11:55.01 | Cide | Cide: |
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| 11:55.21 | Cide | >>> if then |
| 11:55.21 | Cide | Cide: attempt to call a nil value |
| 11:55.23 | Cide | ok, there |
| 11:55.30 | kahdgarxi | ROFL @ comment |
| 11:55.32 | kahdgarxi | er, subject |
| 11:58.53 | kahdgarxi | i hate trying to thing of every possibility for a given situation |
| 11:59.27 | Cide | there, should be fixed now! |
| 11:59.33 | kahdgarxi | >>> if then |
| 11:59.33 | Cide | kahdgarxi: attempt to call a nil value |
| 11:59.39 | Cide | ok.... |
| 11:59.39 | kahdgarxi | omg spam! |
| 11:59.42 | Cide | no. |
| 11:59.44 | Cide | I didn't |
| 12:00.06 | kahdgarxi | >>> print (x) |
| 12:00.06 | Cide | kahdgarxi: nil |
| 12:00.07 | Cide | kahdgarxi: "nil" |
| 12:00.12 | Cide | don't use it right now |
| 12:00.16 | kahdgarxi | lol |
| 12:00.16 | kahdgarxi | k |
| 12:00.24 | nuoHep | >>> print(x or "k") |
| 12:00.24 | Cide | nuoHep: "k" |
| 12:00.50 | Cide | don't... |
| 12:01.00 | kahdgarxi | shouldn't the response have been 'true'? |
| 12:01.06 | Fin | Cide: what do you use in your tests that you paste to IRC? I'm curious because of the prompt - is it just different prompt, or something more interesting? :) |
| 12:01.12 | Cide | kahdgarxi: no |
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| 12:01.52 | Cide | Fin: I feed the input to lua's interpreter and modify a few stuff to make it more intuitive |
| 12:02.31 | Cide | for example, >>> "x" wouldn't work in the normal interpreter |
| 12:03.44 | Fin | neat |
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| 13:57.10 | JoshBorke | do you use any websites or mods to look for items in game or out of game? |
| 13:57.19 | kahdgarxi | what do you mean? |
| 13:57.29 | kahdgarxi | like item databases? |
| 13:57.39 | JoshBorke | yea |
| 13:57.46 | kahdgarxi | www.wowhead.com (my favorite) |
| 13:57.48 | kahdgarxi | www.thottbot.com |
| 13:57.52 | kahdgarxi | www.allakhazam.com |
| 13:57.57 | kahdgarxi | and for addons |
| 13:58.01 | kahdgarxi | i like elkano's itemdb |
| 13:58.09 | JoshBorke | why do you like wowhead the best? |
| 13:58.41 | kahdgarxi | cleanest interface |
| 13:58.44 | Elkano | <3 |
| 13:58.45 | Fin | the site interface is really neat |
| 13:58.47 | kahdgarxi | most useful comments |
| 13:59.06 | JoshBorke | lol, elkano perks up at the mention of his mod |
| 13:59.12 | JoshBorke | if only it weren't in german |
| 13:59.25 | Fin | nein! |
| 13:59.26 | kahdgarxi | <3 @ Elkano |
| 13:59.29 | kahdgarxi | I love your mods :) |
| 13:59.42 | Elkano | JoshBorke, it should adjust to your client's language |
| 14:00.21 | JoshBorke | i know but all the pictures of it are in german! |
| 14:01.33 | JoshBorke | looks very nice though |
| 14:03.33 | Elkano | well, at that point I used the German client... switched for BC |
| 14:03.34 | Fin | I love that feature |
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| 14:04.15 | Fin | just type "wh torn fin" in the address bar and it searches wowhead, etc. |
| 14:04.18 | Fin | nift on a stick |
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| 14:06.22 | kahdgarxi | omg, this is annoying |
| 14:06.28 | kahdgarxi | in case anyone was wondering |
| 14:06.31 | kahdgarxi | FD breaks autofollow |
| 14:06.31 | Nom- | Heroic Durnholde is a PITA |
| 14:06.33 | Nom- | lol |
| 14:06.38 | kahdgarxi | and it makes dualboxing with a hunter VERY annoying |
| 14:07.03 | zenzelezz | FD on the person you are following, or on yourself? |
| 14:07.15 | kahdgarxi | if you're following someone and they FD |
| 14:07.17 | kahdgarxi | you will stop |
| 14:07.24 | cladhaire | well, thats what happens when someone dies =) |
| 14:07.30 | cladhaire | and thats what FD does :P |
| 14:08.14 | kahdgarxi | well it's annoying! :P |
| 14:08.17 | zenzelezz | for 1st April they should make FD really kill hunters |
| 14:08.24 | cladhaire | haha |
| 14:08.25 | zenzelezz | just no durability |
| 14:08.41 | kahdgarxi | hahaha |
| 14:08.42 | kahdgarxi | that would be hilarious |
| 14:08.44 | cladhaire | instead they give us API to let us detect if they're feigning death or not =) |
| 14:09.17 | Nom- | bah it's easy to tell |
| 14:09.30 | Nom- | dead corpses lose all buffs and debuffs :P |
| 14:10.01 | kahdgarxi | it still scares the crap out of me when a hunter FD's in a raid |
| 14:10.02 | Nom- | living corpses on the other hand keep buffs' |
| 14:10.15 | Nom- | kahdgarxi: Same, especially when i'm tankng |
| 14:10.23 | Nom- | It's like WTF...There's nothing on you! |
| 14:10.31 | kahdgarxi | Nom-: I'm a priest :( |
| 14:10.37 | Nom- | <-- Pally |
| 14:10.37 | zenzelezz | "wtf, adds!?" |
| 14:10.42 | Nom- | So i've been on the healing side of it too |
| 14:10.47 | kahdgarxi | yeah |
| 14:10.51 | cladhaire | Nom-: yes, but with the API, it makes it trivial for every unit fram addon to display FD =) |
| 14:10.56 | kahdgarxi | just cruising along, no worries, everybody's fine |
| 14:11.02 | kahdgarxi | DEAD GUILDY |
| 14:12.30 | Nom- | Anyone had any success in Heroic Durnholde ? |
| 14:12.41 | Nom- | We're trying to work out a strat for the various mobs |
| 14:12.46 | Nom- | There's some Really tough pull |
| 14:13.04 | kahdgarxi | i hope you have a LOT of CC in your group. |
| 14:13.09 | Nom- | well we did |
| 14:13.15 | Nom- | unfortunately the mobs are immune to all cc lol |
| 14:13.29 | kahdgarxi | ack |
| 14:13.35 | zenzelezz | which mobs, all of them? |
| 14:13.40 | Nom- | The dog-guard pats |
| 14:13.46 | JoshBorke | why would you run heroic durnholde :_( |
| 14:13.48 | Nom- | You can sheep the dog but not the NPC |
| 14:14.00 | Nom- | As soon as you engage, 2 adds spawn |
| 14:14.06 | cladhaire | use a warlock |
| 14:14.06 | kahdgarxi | ohemgee |
| 14:14.12 | Nom- | They run like the wind and are immune to all CC |
| 14:14.16 | cladhaire | see if they can seduce now |
| 14:14.33 | Nom- | The only thing tht seemed to work was stun |
| 14:14.41 | Cide | they can't |
| 14:14.42 | Nom- | Can't nova, can't sheep, can't ice block or snare |
| 14:14.52 | Cide | you can scatter |
| 14:15.07 | Nom- | Yah, not a whole lot of useful tho |
| 14:15.08 | cladhaire | nice |
| 14:15.13 | Cide | yes it is |
| 14:15.19 | Cide | because if you pull with scatter, no adds spawn |
| 14:15.23 | Cide | unless they fixed that |
| 14:15.26 | cladhaire | i was just wondering with the succ changes, but you're right.. if sheep didn't work then |
| 14:15.29 | Nom- | They probably fixed it lol |
| 14:15.39 | Cide | doubt it actually |
| 14:16.04 | zenzelezz | well, they fixed sheeping the corpses in Arcatraz, so I'd imagine they don't like people skipping adds |
| 14:16.24 | kahdgarxi | i loved that trick :( |
| 14:17.38 | kahdgarxi | hehe, that's awesome |
| 14:17.45 | kahdgarxi | quick shots + rapid fire + berzerking |
| 14:17.57 | kahdgarxi | 2.4 bow = 1.22 |
| 14:24.30 | Nom- | bye-bye ammo :P |
| 14:24.38 | kahdgarxi | :P |
| 14:24.46 | Nom- | Hunters are so damn OP |
| 14:25.27 | Nom- | I rolled a BE hunter the other day |
| 14:25.28 | Nom- | They do sooooo much damage and don't take any |
| 14:25.28 | kahdgarxi | yup |
| 14:25.28 | Nom- | I soloed an elite 3 levels above me without getting touched |
| 14:25.42 | kahdgarxi | *nod* |
| 14:25.45 | Shirik|zZz | erm |
| 14:25.48 | Shirik|zZz | can I correct you slightly? |
| 14:25.55 | Shirik | GOOD hunters are op. |
| 14:26.00 | Shirik | most hunters are morons |
| 14:26.04 | kahdgarxi | Hahaha |
| 14:26.06 | kahdgarxi | Too true |
| 14:26.47 | kahdgarxi | *sigh* |
| 14:26.49 | kahdgarxi | i love low levels |
| 14:27.08 | zenzelezz | a friend of mine related an STV story the other day... she was playing a BE hunter, questing in STV when some mage four or five levels higher tried to gank her... but he ran like a sissy (and died) since he forgot she could silence him |
| 14:27.35 | Shirik | silencing shot ftw. |
| 14:27.46 | zenzelezz | also a racial |
| 14:27.55 | Shirik | what I do to mages: |
| 14:28.41 | Shirik | scatter shot, freezing trap, back off max range wait until near the end of trap duration, aimed shot, concussive shot, silencing shot, then have some fun |
| 14:28.43 | Shirik | repeat if needed |
| 14:30.16 | Shirik | what's better for a priest (holy/disc)? +15 healing or +6int/+7sta |
| 14:30.35 | cladhaire | pvp or pve? |
| 14:30.41 | Shirik | pve for now |
| 14:30.47 | cladhaire | leveling or max level? |
| 14:30.57 | Shirik | leveling (don't yell at me for not being shadow blah blah) |
| 14:31.05 | cladhaire | int/sta |
| 14:31.07 | JoshBorke | int/sta |
| 14:31.11 | cladhaire | +healing is useless until max level |
| 14:31.15 | JoshBorke | exactly |
| 14:31.17 | cladhaire | compared to anything that keeps you alive. |
| 14:31.18 | Shirik | that's what I thought |
| 14:31.22 | cladhaire | but at max level, PVE |
| 14:31.24 | JoshBorke | Shirik: i lvled 1-70 disc |
| 14:31.26 | cladhaire | +sta is meaningless =) |
| 14:31.37 | cladhaire | which is why i asked |
| 14:31.39 | Shirik | JoshBorke :) so someone else does believe! |
| 14:31.44 | cladhaire | I prefer disc |
| 14:31.47 | JoshBorke | cladhaire: unless you don't have enough to withstand attumen's charge :-P |
| 14:31.51 | cladhaire | when levelling |
| 14:31.58 | cladhaire | JoshBorke: you can sta pack for one fight =) |
| 14:32.00 | Shirik | Really, I'm wondering where intellect becomes better than +heal though |
| 14:32.06 | cladhaire | and your base sta should cover that |
| 14:32.07 | Shirik | because... +crit can really help |
| 14:32.20 | cladhaire | Shirik: never, really.. +heal helps every single heal, +int only helps your initial mana pool |
| 14:32.28 | Shirik | and spell crit.. |
| 14:32.41 | cladhaire | aye, but the bonus from spell crit is nothing compared to the talents that you have |
| 14:32.48 | Shirik | mm true |
| 14:32.56 | cladhaire | and you shoudl be stacking +healing not +spell crit |
| 14:32.59 | cladhaire | unless you're trying to DPS |
| 14:33.07 | JoshBorke | smite dps ftw! |
| 14:33.15 | JoshBorke | i hit 20% holy crit with 700 damage :-D |
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| 14:34.44 | Shirik | I really just can't stand shadow |
| 14:34.50 | Shirik | it seems so.... against what a priest is supposed to do |
| 14:34.57 | Shirik | if I wanted to play shadow I'd be a warlock |
| 14:35.10 | cladhaire | well warlock shadow is entirely different, tbh =) |
| 14:35.11 | cladhaire | but i understand |
| 14:35.31 | Cide | shadow priests are better than holy priests right now to be honest... which is sad |
| 14:35.49 | JoshBorke | i recently respecced shadow |
| 14:36.30 | Shirik | Well I was shadow; I definitely felt the power, and I was rocking house in pvp.... but I just wasn't enjoying it |
| 14:37.49 | JoshBorke | i do way more dps as shadow now than i ever did PI specced |
| 14:38.09 | cladhaire | i love lolsmite spec |
| 14:38.22 | cladhaire | have they fixes the smite talent yet? does it still consume mana? |
| 14:38.42 | JoshBorke | i never had SoL |
| 14:39.11 | cladhaire | i shoudl level my priest |
| 14:39.11 | Shirik | well I dunno about you guys |
| 14:39.11 | Shirik | but I'm liking this inner focus bug |
| 14:39.11 | cladhaire | he's currently like.. 51/0/0, cause i was testing something and forgot I was on the live realms =/ |
| 14:39.25 | Shirik | somehow I managed to get my inner focus to reduce mana cost by 150% |
| 14:39.37 | Shirik | so I gain mana from a spell |
| 14:39.50 | cladhaire | hahaha |
| 14:39.51 | JoshBorke | well that's a nice bug |
| 14:39.53 | cladhaire | thats sick |
| 14:40.01 | Shirik | only one spell, but hey :P |
| 14:40.12 | Shirik | oh btw |
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| 14:40.18 | Shirik | when did inner focus's cooldown switch to 3 minutes? |
| 14:40.20 | Shirik | wasn't it 10 before? |
| 14:40.31 | cladhaire | its been 3 for a long time now |
| 14:40.35 | JoshBorke | it'sb een 3 a while now |
| 14:41.17 | Shirik | shows you how long it's been since I played my priest seriously :P |
| 14:43.10 | JoshBorke | i hate golems |
| 14:43.16 | JoshBorke | can't drain life on them |
| 14:43.27 | cladhaire | i agree =/ |
| 14:45.42 | JoshBorke | soul fire is an interesting spell |
| 14:46.43 | JoshBorke | hey! i leveled a paladin to 60 before they got the new talents, and i didn't know about the JoTC bug until after they patched it |
| 14:47.04 | JoshBorke | i'm finally playing an overpowered class |
| 14:47.10 | JoshBorke | and having fun |
| 14:47.50 | JoshBorke | so there :_P |
| 14:48.37 | JoshBorke | i wish drain lifes lowed like mind flay |
| 14:48.47 | sioraiocht | haha |
| 14:48.53 | JoshBorke | that would be so OP |
| 14:48.54 | sioraiocht | i just started playing a belfadin |
| 14:49.31 | JoshBorke | i'm sorry. i kill those everytime i see them |
| 14:49.38 | sioraiocht | lol |
| 14:49.50 | JoshBorke | killed one named supersayan twice yesterday |
| 14:50.15 | JoshBorke | he was named supersayan, how could i NOT kill him? |
| 14:50.34 | cladhaire | this is true |
| 14:50.40 | cladhaire | mine'll be named Trunks. |
| 14:50.44 | cladhaire | poerhaps Goten |
| 14:50.50 | JoshBorke | what server are you on? |
| 14:50.53 | cladhaire | stormrage |
| 14:50.53 | Shirik | eew dbz |
| 14:51.02 | cladhaire | Shirik: suck it trebek! |
| 14:51.02 | JoshBorke | so i can roll a warlock to wtfpwn you :-P |
| 14:51.13 | Shirik | I love anime |
| 14:51.16 | Shirik | but I can't stand dbz |
| 14:51.18 | cladhaire | lol |
| 14:51.39 | cladhaire | i have every sailor moon episode, the original japanese fan sub somewhere |
| 14:51.40 | cladhaire | how gay is that |
| 14:51.48 | cladhaire | _really gay_ |
| 14:52.19 | cladhaire | but the last season has transvestites.. by day they're a boy band.. but when they transform, they become leather clad dominatrix |
| 14:52.28 | sioraiocht | that's because clad is...REALLY GAY |
| 14:52.44 | cladhaire | not really |
| 14:52.46 | cladhaire | actually |
| 14:53.37 | Shirik | I love playing a priest |
| 14:53.39 | Shirik | I'm always #1 on the meters |
| 14:53.49 | cladhaire | the meters lie |
| 14:53.52 | cladhaire | always will |
| 14:53.53 | Shirik | nah |
| 14:53.59 | cladhaire | until someone finishes bishop |
| 14:54.06 | JoshBorke | what is bishop? |
| 14:54.13 | Shirik | usually I'm #1 just because I'm the only one healing |
| 14:54.18 | Shirik | but I don't let that ruin my pride |
| 14:54.20 | cladhaire | an addon i abandoned years ago, literally |
| 14:54.26 | cladhaire | the only truly accurate healing meter |
| 14:54.33 | JoshBorke | why's that? |
| 14:54.36 | cladhaire | people wouldn't like the numbers it gave, so i abandoned it. |
| 14:54.51 | cladhaire | the only accurate healing meter HAS to run on the healer's machine. |
| 14:54.54 | cladhaire | you can't do it remotely |
| 14:55.00 | Shirik | I'd go further |
| 14:55.17 | Shirik | I say the only accurate healing meter does only calculations on the source's machine |
| 14:55.17 | cladhaire | the code's all there |
| 14:55.23 | cladhaire | .. that's what i said. |
| 14:55.25 | Shirik | the only accurate anything meter |
| 14:55.26 | Shirik | sorry |
| 14:55.28 | Shirik | not just healing |
| 14:55.29 | cladhaire | =) |
| 14:55.41 | cladhaire | well , i was talking about healing specifically |
| 14:55.45 | cladhaire | beacuse its _reallY- a clear problem there |
| 14:55.49 | cladhaire | its not so much for damage |
| 14:56.37 | Fin | would it be possible to have a retrospectively <n> healing meter that ran on multiple players' machines, and parsed the logs together later, or externally or something? |
| 14:56.42 | Fin | do the logs ever miss anything? |
| 14:56.43 | cladhaire | bishop is still on openrtrac somewhere |
| 14:56.44 | cladhaire | Fin: yes |
| 14:56.48 | Shirik | sure |
| 14:56.55 | cladhaire | you have to hook the spellcasting functions to get an accurate healing meter |
| 14:57.01 | cladhaire | and you can only measure the healing done from that machine. |
| 14:57.20 | Shirik | on top of that |
| 14:57.31 | Fin | because other people's logs *can* miss something |
| 14:57.33 | Shirik | you should set your combat log distance to something massive |
| 14:57.46 | Fin | when they're logging something happening on another player's computer :) |
| 14:58.04 | Shirik | damagemeters tries to avoid this by "syncing" |
| 14:58.12 | Shirik | but I think that's an overestimate |
| 14:58.23 | Shirik | (haven't looked at the code though) |
| 14:58.37 | cladhaire | correct, you still have that issue-- but thats resolvable with combat log distance and other stuff. |
| 14:58.40 | Fin | yes, I understand the concept, and I've tried out every damage meter I could find at one point |
| 14:58.50 | cladhaire | this is why i killed bishop |
| 14:59.00 | cladhaire | it dropped priest's "Effective" healing down to 80% or lower |
| 14:59.00 | Fin | but I hope to start raiding again soon! I'm missing it |
| 14:59.12 | Shirik | what I really want to know though |
| 14:59.17 | Shirik | how do you detect overheals? |
| 14:59.31 | cladhaire | UnitHealth() |
| 14:59.34 | cladhaire | its the best anyone can do |
| 14:59.35 | Fin | I don't think you should detect overheals |
| 14:59.38 | Shirik | that's what I thought :/ |
| 14:59.40 | cladhaire | Fin: you have to |
| 15:00.05 | cladhaire | Shirik: Satrina and I did insane amounts of crunching and comparing, and we got the same results on both teh priest (me) and the warrior (him) |
| 15:00.08 | cladhaire | as far as effective healing |
| 15:00.18 | Fin | I like stats more than most people, but personally I reckon a good healer (actually this probably applies to every class) is one that does his job a lot by "feel" |
| 15:00.41 | Fin | ** S T A T S ** |
| 15:01.10 | cladhaire | you do do your job by feel |
| 15:01.21 | cladhaire | but its also really good to know that you have healers who are only 60% effective |
| 15:01.37 | Shirik | don't get me wrong, btw |
| 15:01.47 | Shirik | I hate damage meters in general |
| 15:01.57 | Fin | yeh I know - it's just that overheals are so often used in the wrong way. I guess it's like any statistic, it represents exactly what it represents, it's how people interpret it that's the problem |
| 15:01.58 | Shirik | someone can top a meter and be the worst player in your raid |
| 15:02.10 | Shirik | but sometimes it's useful to see what's going on |
| 15:02.19 | Fin | it's difficult to tell who are the good healers and bad healers in a raid sometimes |
| 15:03.02 | Shirik | but I do agree with cladhaire that a lot of stuff needs to be done just by "feel" |
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| 15:05.58 | cladhaire | i'm always a healer.. and i'm pretty damn good at it too =) |
| 15:06.08 | cladhaire | Fin: as a healer, I want to know when I've messed up |
| 15:06.17 | cladhaire | Bishop was nice cause it provided an "effectiveness" meter |
| 15:06.21 | cladhaire | as a running average |
| 15:06.27 | cladhaire | so if i threw a big overheal, I knew it =) |
| 15:07.12 | Shirik | the problem is |
| 15:07.16 | Fin | I know what you mean, but I wouldn't use it myself |
| 15:07.37 | Shirik | on the event when you heal someone |
| 15:07.55 | Shirik | UnitHealth() == UnitMaxHealth() if you overheal, right? |
| 15:08.33 | Shirik | so you had to go with the last recorded UnitHealth() ? |
| 15:08.33 | Shirik | (I'm just curious) |
| 15:08.33 | cladhaire | Shirik: no, when the event fires, UnitHealth() shows the health prior to the heal, I believe |
| 15:08.34 | Shirik | ah |
| 15:08.34 | cladhaire | I'd have to remember |
| 15:08.38 | JoshBorke | why couldn't you combat scan for just events with you in them? |
| 15:08.41 | Shirik | that makes things a lot easier |
| 15:09.29 | cladhaire | JoshBorke: HoT's don't have your name, and there's no way to know taht you've cast one., |
| 15:09.31 | cladhaire | _heals_ are easy |
| 15:09.37 | cladhaire | but Druids and priests have plenty of HoTs |
| 15:09.49 | JoshBorke | indeed |
| 15:09.51 | zenzelezz | I'd imagine overhealing in raids isn't necessarily your "fault", unless you strictly specify who you heal |
| 15:09.59 | Fin | has anyone written a flashy new version of Warmup yet using the new addon memory bits, btw? |
| 15:10.03 | cladhaire | when a druid casts a 1400hp rejuv.. he needs to be put at -1400 healing, and then as it ticks, he gains the dewficit back |
| 15:10.07 | Shirik | I use HoTs a ton |
| 15:10.14 | cladhaire | Fin: the new API doesn't exist yet, so no. |
| 15:10.14 | JoshBorke | Fin: that's 2.1.0 |
| 15:10.16 | Cide | UnitHealth is pretty icky when it comes to heals |
| 15:10.16 | Shirik | it's my main source of healing really |
| 15:10.25 | cladhaire | and you don't want it in Warmup, you want it at runtime. |
| 15:10.28 | Fin | oh |
| 15:10.30 | cladhaire | warmup is fine as is. |
| 15:10.35 | Fin | I thought it'd already been added |
| 15:10.37 | Fin | duh me |
| 15:10.49 | Fin | I'm not criticising warmup |
| 15:10.55 | Shirik | 2.0.10 ~= 2.1.0 |
| 15:11.17 | Fin | really?! |
| 15:11.19 | Fin | :P |
| 15:11.23 | Shirik | everyone thinks it is |
| 15:11.49 | zenzelezz | Cide: how so? |
| 15:11.53 | Fin | easy enough mistake to make if you're not paying attention |
| 15:12.09 | cladhaire | zenzelezz: its REALLY unreliable. |
| 15:12.13 | cladhaire | but its the best we have at the moment |
| 15:12.17 | Cide | zenzelezz: when I tried using it for tracking overheals "back then" it was way unre.. what cladhaire said |
| 15:12.26 | cladhaire | but slouken fixed the combat log events since them, afaik |
| 15:12.55 | zenzelezz | I'm confused, is it or isn't it unreliable now? I don't care about "back then" |
| 15:13.03 | cladhaire | zenzelezz: test it and see |
| 15:13.06 | cladhaire | bishop is 1.5 years old. |
| 15:13.14 | Shirik | I tell you it has its own problems right now |
| 15:13.23 | Shirik | but the only problem I've seen so far is with pets |
| 15:13.23 | Fin | very religious young boy |
| 15:13.25 | Fin | or girl |
| 15:13.26 | Shirik | as for its reliability, I don't know |
| 15:15.32 | zenzelezz | well, I don't play a healer, so I don't know |
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| 16:44.12 | JoshBorke | >>> print(string.find("Your Aimed Shot crits bob for 7337.","^Your Aimed Shot crits .* for (%d+).$")) |
| 16:44.13 | Cide | JoshBorke: 1, 35, "7337" |
| 16:46.19 | Shirik | you don't need print :P |
| 16:46.44 | Shirik | >>> string.find("Your Aimed Shot crits bob for 7337.", "^Your Aimed Shot crits .* for (%d+).$")); |
| 16:46.44 | Cide | Shirik: attempt to call a nil value |
| 16:46.53 | wereHamster | return .. |
| 16:46.55 | Shirik | ... huh? |
| 16:47.05 | Shirik | oh |
| 16:47.08 | Shirik | >>> string.find("Your Aimed Shot crits bob for 7337.", "^Your Aimed Shot crits .* for (%d+).$"); |
| 16:47.08 | Cide | Shirik: 1, 35, "7337" |
| 16:47.38 | Shirik | Cide are you here? |
| 16:48.13 | Cide | yes |
| 16:48.30 | Shirik | can we like |
| 16:48.35 | Shirik | adjust the script so we can see whta the error is >< |
| 16:49.44 | Shirik | the second parameter of loadstring() should be the error message if it exists |
| 16:50.36 | Cide | um? |
| 16:50.38 | Cide | >>> if then |
| 16:50.38 | Cide | Cide: attempt to call a nil value |
| 16:50.46 | Shirik | see that should be a syntax error |
| 16:50.51 | Shirik | I think you're getting teh error from pcall() |
| 16:50.58 | Shirik | because the first parameter of loadstring() is nil if there's an error |
| 16:51.03 | Shirik | then pcall would try to call nil |
| 16:51.13 | Cide | oh, right |
| 16:51.15 | Cide | in a few min |
| 16:51.50 | Shirik | is just a thought, nothing important :P |
| 16:58.35 | Cide | >>> if then |
| 16:58.35 | Cide | Cide: [string "if then"]:1: unexpected symbol near 'then' |
| 16:58.51 | Shirik | >>> string.find("Your Aimed Shot crits bob for 7337.", "^Your Aimed Shot crits .* for (%d+).$")); |
| 16:58.52 | Cide | Shirik: [string "string.find("Your Aimed Shot crits bob for 7337.", "^Your Aimed..."]:1: unexpected symbol near ')' |
| 16:59.01 | Shirik | yey |
| 16:59.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Anyone know of a simple stopwatch like addon? Something simple like click once to start it, click again to pause, right-click to stop? |
| 16:59.39 | [dRaCo] | there's a fubar plugin for stuff like that |
| 16:59.48 | [dRaCo] | if you use fubar, give it a try |
| 16:59.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, but I don't have fubar :/ |
| 16:59.57 | Shirik | haha um |
| 16:59.58 | ScytheBlade1 | I actually just recently nuked it |
| 17:00.11 | Shirik | if you really want me to answer that |
| 17:00.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Don't judge me, but it took up too much screen real estate |
| 17:00.15 | Shirik | RDX could be used as a stopwatch |
| 17:00.23 | Shirik | but that's a bit overkill |
| 17:00.24 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 17:00.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Overkill much? |
| 17:00.43 | ScytheBlade1 | I've searched... can't find one for the life of me.. |
| 17:00.43 | Fin | you can use FuBar plugins without FuBar |
| 17:00.56 | ScytheBlade1 | That sounds awesome yet broken |
| 17:01.07 | Shirik | they do something like go on your minimap |
| 17:01.08 | Shirik | something wierd |
| 17:01.09 | Fin | the addons just attach to the minimap |
| 17:01.22 | Fin | so it's sort of like just a Fu |
| 17:01.31 | Shirik | heh |
| 17:01.38 | ScytheBlade1 | "This file is a Addon for FuBar 2.0 by ckknight. You must have that installed before this Addon will work." |
| 17:02.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Eh what's the worst that can happen |
| 17:02.51 | Fin | interesting question |
| 17:02.54 | Cairenn|afk | your computer implodes |
| 17:02.56 | Shirik | It could cause a WoW crash which will then forcibly delete all of your |
| 17:02.58 | Shirik | Cairenn|afk wins |
| 17:03.06 | Shirik | I can't type fast :( |
| 17:03.07 | ScytheBlade1 | That would be a sad day |
| 17:03.23 | Fin | I think I'd get over it |
| 17:03.41 | Fin | (if your computer imploded) |
| 17:03.42 | Shirik | I'd be like "Oh goodie, an excuse to have to buy updated hardware" |
| 17:03.44 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm pretty sure I wouldn't |
| 17:03.53 | ScytheBlade1 | The thing is, I have 2x500GB hard drives in here |
| 17:04.02 | ScytheBlade1 | And a relatively new CPU and GPU |
| 17:04.16 | Fin | that's a fair amount of disk space |
| 17:04.21 | ScytheBlade1 | It is |
| 17:04.26 | Fin | raided? |
| 17:04.29 | Shirik | raid? |
| 17:04.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Nope, linux LVM2 |
| 17:05.21 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm a WINEer. |
| 17:07.38 | ScytheBlade1 | I really don't want my computer to implode. |
| 17:07.56 | Cide | was afk for a bit... CT_Timer does exactly what you want, ScytheBlade1 |
| 17:08.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Cide, <3 |
| 17:08.18 | ScytheBlade1 | The FuBar plugin is broken anyways |
| 17:09.43 | wereHamster | I also have 2x500GB, but system on raid1 and games/data (torrents) on raid0 |
| 17:10.00 | Shirik | um |
| 17:10.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Eh, LVM rocks |
| 17:10.07 | Shirik | 4x250GB and 2x80GB |
| 17:10.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Nice |
| 17:10.16 | Shirik | I just like |
| 17:10.21 | Shirik | pick up random drives whenever I see a good deal |
| 17:10.31 | Shirik | I only use I think 2 |
| 17:10.44 | wereHamster | I have a shuttle, it fits only two harddrives :( |
| 17:10.45 | Shirik | 2x250GB are in RAID0, I forget what the others are configured as |
| 17:10.46 | ScytheBlade1 | I actually have a pair of WD Raptors in a RAID0 in another box |
| 17:10.48 | ScytheBlade1 | They be fast. |
| 17:10.50 | Shirik | I think the 2x80 is RAID1 |
| 17:11.09 | Shirik | oh |
| 17:11.14 | Shirik | and I have a 6GB drive floating in there too |
| 17:11.18 | Shirik | just because I had it lying around in my house |
| 17:11.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Cide, how do you show the timer? |
| 17:11.52 | Shirik | 4xSATA, 2xSecondary IDE, 1x Primary IDE and 1 DVD/CD burner :P |
| 17:11.54 | Shirik | I think I'm maxxed out |
| 17:12.06 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 17:12.21 | Shirik | could get a pci card I guess |
| 17:12.32 | ScytheBlade1 | I feel sorry for your PCI bus |
| 17:12.47 | Shirik | I don't think I use any pci devices |
| 17:12.54 | Shirik | I do have an audigy in there but I don't even use it :/ |
| 17:13.00 | Shirik | er, sorry, x-fi |
| 17:13.05 | Cide | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:13.09 | Shirik | because Creative (afaik) hasn't released any linux drivers for x-fi |
| 17:13.38 | Shirik | something about the code for one of the features in it |
| 17:13.43 | Shirik | being a company secret |
| 17:13.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Cide, heh, and here I am trying /ctimer, etc |
| 17:13.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Cide, thanks, that's perfect |
| 17:14.35 | Cide | no problem |
| 17:14.57 | Cide | there are a few slash commands for toggling background, seconds, etc |
| 17:15.10 | Shirik | >>> return (Cide == God); |
| 17:15.10 | Cide | Shirik: true |
| 17:15.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, I just found em' all |
| 17:16.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Cide, heh, bug report... /timer options has "Show Timer" not checked despite it being clearly visible |
| 17:16.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Setting it visible does (as it should) nothing, then unchecking hides it again |
| 17:16.54 | Cide | oh well! |
| 17:16.58 | Shirik | haha |
| 17:17.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, the check box in the options isn't in sync with the reality of the addon at all |
| 17:17.12 | ScytheBlade1 | But I love it anyways :) |
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| 17:30.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Aww, Sorren's Timers doesn't work |
| 17:30.52 | Shirik | it wouldn't be hard to make a timer |
| 17:30.59 | Shirik | create a frame, use OnUpdate, done. |
| 17:31.07 | ScytheBlade1 | I've already got the timer I wanted |
| 17:31.11 | ScytheBlade1 | This is for all of my cooldowns |
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| 17:36.55 | Industrial | ag`: ping |
| 17:37.04 | Industrial | ag`: can you PLEEEEASE remove the snap from the width property? |
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| 17:39.19 | ag` | Industrial: so it slides by 1 point? |
| 17:40.21 | Industrial | ag`: so i can set it to whatever I want :P *sec gettgin screenshot* |
| 17:40.54 | Industrial | also http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=5330.0 |
| 17:41.42 | Industrial | http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/9431/wowscrnshot032507194101aw3.jpg |
| 17:41.52 | ag` | width step set to 1 |
| 17:42.10 | ag` | you got it now Industrial |
| 17:42.14 | ag` | svn update |
| 17:42.18 | Industrial | \o/ <3 |
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| 17:48.04 | cladhaire | anyone here familiar with scraping wowhead? |
| 17:55.34 | Cairenn|afk | I have the weirdest cat ... she likes arrowroot cookies |
| 17:58.38 | Cide | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeUhSjuhQYE |
| 17:58.44 | Kirkburn|afk | Something completely random for Heroes watchers - http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l312/cptcomet/Heroes%20Chronicles/stanleycup/31025__04_122_428lo.jpg |
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| 18:09.51 | cladhaire | Kirkburn|afk: lol |
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| 18:29.42 | Kirkburn|afk | Btw, for anyone who likes political satire, you absolutely /HAVE/ to read this blog - http://jonswift.blogspot.com/index.html |
| 18:36.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | that right there's a lot of words |
| 18:37.47 | Guillotine | Kirkburn: And I was just getting going with work :( I hate you now |
| 18:37.57 | Kirkburn|afk | hehe |
| 18:44.07 | Guillotine | haha. <3 this article. http://jonswift.blogspot.com/2007/02/conservapedia.html |
| 18:44.24 | Guillotine | this blog is awesome >_< |
| 18:45.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm sure it is but i've got internet ADD :p |
| 18:48.18 | Shirik|Fooding | Yeah it really is |
| 18:54.43 | Shirik | "But once the government was filled with people who knew how to do their jobs, the government became too strong. President Bush has done what he could to weaken the power of government bureaucracies by restoring some of the incompetence that was lost, but there is only so much one man can do in six years." |
| 18:54.53 | Guillotine | another funny thing. It seems a good number of the people making the comments on the blog have no idea its satire o.O |
| 18:54.55 | Shirik | Kirkburn|afk - this thing is truly a gem |
| 18:55.04 | Shirik | where did you find it? |
| 18:55.31 | Kirkburn|afk | Ah, the famous Conservapedia article - that's what drew to the blog |
| 18:56.00 | Kirkburn|afk | *drew me |
| 18:56.20 | Guillotine | also, remember to read the comments. So funny X) |
| 18:56.35 | Kirkburn|afk | :) |
| 18:56.53 | Shirik | I haven't read the comments yet |
| 18:56.54 | Shirik | checking now |
| 18:57.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | So a baby seal walks into a club |
| 18:57.50 | Guillotine | awww. Clubbing baby seals is illega, dontchaknow |
| 18:58.57 | Guillotine | ROFL. Someone bought "www.moronopedia.com" and forwarded it to Conservapedia o.O |
| 18:58.57 | wereHamster | ... but collecting oggrimar dust isn't |
| 18:59.09 | Shirik | haha |
| 19:00.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | so they can orphan baby seals but not kill them? :X |
| 19:00.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | seems like a waste of good fur and meat to me |
| 19:01.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | Now, seals may only be killed legally once they have started moulting (from 12 to 15 days of age for harp seals), as this coincides with the time when they are abandoned by their mothers. |
| 19:01.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh okay |
| 19:01.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | wasn't aware they were abandoned that early |
| 19:04.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | I'd like to go seal hunting once, but i dunno if i could do it with a club, it's just so up close and personal :[ |
| 19:05.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'd be too tempted to hop on his back and ride around instead of clubbing him |
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| 19:08.37 | Lej | Need some help here. Np getting total bag space but how do I get total bank space? |
| 19:09.25 | Shirik | total bank space. |
| 19:10.24 | Shirik | did you look at http://www.wowwiki.com/API#Bank_Functions? |
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| 19:26.35 | Lej | Yes I did, still a bit confused. |
| 19:26.51 | Lej | Do I have to have the bank window open for these to work? |
| 19:28.29 | JoshBorke | anyone know where SetItemRef is defined? |
| 19:28.45 | JoshBorke | nvm |
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| 20:02.31 | Kirkburn|afk | Guillotine, btw, there appears to be a #conservapedia channel on here |
| 20:02.41 | Kirkburn|afk | I haven't decided whether to join it yet |
| 20:02.42 | Guillotine | zomg o.O |
| 20:02.45 | Guillotine | I am |
| 20:03.08 | Guillotine | hehe. probably won't say much though |
| 20:03.13 | Lej | I'm wanting to hook this ace addon that is loaded only when needed with LoadAddOn(), and I can't hook it before it's loaded. Any tips? |
| 20:03.37 | Kirkburn|afk | eeek, I got scared |
| 20:03.44 | Guillotine | lol |
| 20:03.45 | Guillotine | wimp :P |
| 20:04.19 | Guillotine | think they know that www.moronopedia.com forwards to them? Think I should tell them? |
| 20:04.52 | snaked | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:04.54 | snaked | dammit |
| 20:04.59 | snaked | well, you have me interested ;) |
| 20:06.27 | Kirkburn|afk | heh |
| 20:06.40 | Guillotine | snaked: did you read the article? |
| 20:08.22 | snaked | Which article? |
| 20:08.34 | snaked | I haven't been following along too closely |
| 20:08.34 | Guillotine | OMG |
| 20:08.39 | Guillotine | did you see what they just changed the topic to? |
| 20:08.39 | Guillotine | ROFL |
| 20:08.45 | snaked | oh, right |
| 20:08.47 | Guillotine | snaked: http://jonswift.blogspot.com/2007/02/conservapedia.html |
| 20:09.18 | snaked | just a moment |
| 20:11.37 | snaked | Very cute ;) |
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| 20:16.16 | snaked | I think i'll play nice there for now. |
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| 20:18.30 | Kirkburn|afk | Guillotine, what did they do? |
| 20:18.39 | Kirkburn|afk | (to the topic) |
| 20:19.00 | Guillotine | the topic was changed to "Conservapedia: Wikipedia is a terrible, evil "encyclopedia" filled with thieves and liars, and is ruled by an evil despot." |
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| 20:19.50 | Kirkburn|afk | LOL |
| 20:20.08 | snaked | I liked the "How should we remove bias?" topic better |
| 20:20.23 | snaked | Today's Question: How can Conservapedia avoid having a conservative bias? (Answer: Start by changing your name.) |
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| 20:23.35 | Kirkburn|afk | lol |
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| 20:36.49 | Kirkburn|afk | I've decided to join just to watch |
| 20:37.12 | zenzelezz | you voyeur, you |
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| 20:41.38 | Kirkburn|afk | hehe |
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| 20:43.02 | Guillotine | lol, you pwnd them kirkburn :P |
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| 20:43.29 | Guillotine | ROFL. <henriquev> isn't Conservapedia based on communist ideas? |
| 20:43.57 | Kirkburn|afk | Guillotine, it was totally by accident too! |
| 20:45.04 | snaked | I join for WoW related discussion, and I get something much more amusing. I'm so happy. |
| 20:45.37 | Guillotine | this is what I don't get. They complain about wikipedia being biased, but they can just go in and add the other side as well if they want. They just can't delete the other side and must provide citations |
| 20:45.46 | Guillotine | snaked: WoW talk in wowi-lounge? NEVER! |
| 20:45.51 | Kirkburn|afk | =) |
| 20:46.31 | snaked | Oh, I've been on IRC long enough to know better than to expect a channel to offer content related to what it's ostensibly about :p |
| 20:46.35 | Guillotine | nah, we get into long lua talks. Just not one going on at the moment :) |
| 20:46.52 | snaked | is there a preferred realm here? |
| 20:47.16 | Guillotine | nope. Its just an addon author room pretty much :) |
| 20:47.43 | Shirik | HA! |
| 20:47.44 | Guillotine | Though there are addon guilds on Draka on US, not sure about the EU realm |
| 20:47.46 | Shirik | Preferred realm |
| 20:47.54 | Shirik | Like authors have time to PLAY wow |
| 20:47.57 | Kirkburn|afk | No EU addon guilds afaik |
| 20:48.12 | Kirkburn|afk | Heh, some of the people in here don't even play any more |
| 20:48.46 | snaked | Shirik, that's sort of a meaningless statement - any ordinary human being doesn't ruly have enough time to play wow |
| 20:49.35 | Kirkburn|afk | snaked, ! |
| 20:49.51 | Kirkburn|afk | Wow, they do like to hand out adminship |
| 20:49.58 | snaked | Shh ;) |
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| 20:50.39 | Guillotine | >>> local somevar={"We ","talk ","about ","lua"} avar="" for i=1,4 do avar=avar..somevar[i] end print avar |
| 20:50.40 | Cide | Guillotine: [string "local somevar={"We ","talk ","about ","lua"} avar="" for i=1,4 ..."]:1: '=' expected near 'avar' |
| 20:50.52 | Guillotine | oh, whoops |
| 20:50.58 | Guillotine | >>> local somevar={"We ","talk ","about ","lua"} avar="" for i=1,4 do avar=avar..somevar[i] end print(avar) |
| 20:50.58 | Cide | Guillotine: "We talk about lua" |
| 20:51.07 | Guillotine | used Python notation at the end :( |
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| 20:52.13 | cogwheel|work | >>> local somevar={"We","talk","about","lua"} avar= strjoin(" ", unpack(somevar)) print(avar) |
| 20:52.14 | Cide | cogwheel|work: "We talk about lua" |
| 20:53.38 | cogwheel|work | Guillotine: every time through that loop Lua has to create a new string. the call to strjoin only creates one. |
| 20:54.10 | Guillotine | cogwheel: I know. I'm not trying to make it efficient. If I was, I'd just type print("We talk about lua") :P |
| 20:54.18 | Guillotine | or, even better, "We talk about lua" |
| 20:54.22 | Guillotine | >>> "We talka bout lua" |
| 20:54.22 | Cide | Guillotine: [string ""We talka bout lua""]:1: unexpected symbol near '"We talka bout lua"' |
| 20:54.31 | Guillotine | oh, maybe it doesn't output variables put into it |
| 20:54.34 | Guillotine | so the first one |
| 20:54.46 | cogwheel|work | Guillotine: that should've worke,d actually |
| 20:54.46 | Elkano | cogwheel, what about "we ".."talk ".."about ".."lua"? |
| 20:54.51 | cogwheel|work | s/,d/d,/ |
| 20:54.58 | cogwheel|work | >>> 1 |
| 20:54.58 | Cide | cogwheel|work: [string "1"]:1: unexpected symbol near '1' |
| 20:55.05 | cogwheel|work | unless cide changed it... |
| 20:55.06 | kergoth | Elkano: if done on one line like that, its a single lua vm instruction. |
| 20:55.08 | Guillotine | I thought it had done that before, but apparently not anymore |
| 20:55.11 | kergoth | >>> return 1 |
| 20:55.11 | Cide | kergoth: 1 |
| 20:55.34 | Elkano | but will it generate extra strings? or only the final? |
| 20:55.35 | Cide | hmm |
| 20:55.43 | Cide | it's checking for error too early, sec |
| 20:55.51 | cogwheel|work | kergoth: cide had changed it so it would essentially wrap single expressions in a function() return (expression) end |
| 20:56.00 | kergoth | Elkano: one concatenation generates one string. |
| 20:56.05 | cogwheel|work | (not sure if that's how he implemented it, but semantically it worked that way) |
| 20:56.09 | kergoth | "foo".."bar".."baz" is one concat |
| 20:56.13 | kergoth | afiak anyway |
| 20:56.15 | kergoth | cogwheel|work: ahh |
| 20:56.18 | cogwheel|work | yep |
| 20:56.58 | cogwheel|work | which is why concatenating in a loop isn't nearly as efficient than using strconcat or strjoin |
| 20:57.35 | Cide | >>> 1 |
| 20:57.35 | Cide | Cide: 1 |
| 20:57.38 | Cide | >>> if then |
| 20:57.38 | Cide | Cide: |
| 20:57.40 | Cide | bleh |
| 20:58.09 | cogwheel|work | >>> print(strconcat, strcat) |
| 20:58.10 | Cide | cogwheel|work: function: 0016AA58, nil |
| 20:58.32 | cogwheel|work | anyway, back to my server migration aftermath... |
| 20:59.16 | Cide | >>> 1 |
| 20:59.16 | Cide | Cide: 1 |
| 20:59.17 | Cide | >>> if then |
| 20:59.17 | Cide | Cide: [string "if then"]:1: unexpected symbol near 'then' |
| 20:59.18 | Cide | there |
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| 21:06.02 | Thunder_Chil2 | /name Thunder_Child |
| 21:06.18 | Thunder_Chil2 | /nic Thunder_Child |
| 21:06.25 | zenzelezz | getting closer |
| 21:06.28 | Thunder_Child | wow am i sucking today |
| 21:06.33 | Shirik | haha |
| 21:07.46 | haste | so much for that effort :D |
| 21:10.43 | Guillotine | haha |
| 21:11.21 | Fin | hahahaha |
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| 21:16.01 | Guillotine | ROFL, snaked got op in #conservapedia >< |
| 21:16.20 | snaked | Notice also that I'm not doing anything with it. |
| 21:16.34 | Guillotine | you gained their trust by doing absolutely nothing |
| 21:16.38 | snaked | right |
| 21:16.43 | Shirik | seems to be the way most of the world works today |
| 21:16.54 | Guillotine | lol |
| 21:17.49 | snaked | i'm the main op on another channel - i wouldn't give +o to anyone I wouldn't trust to offer up a spare organ, should i need it |
| 21:18.42 | snaked | maybe i'll offer some crowd control advice, though ;) |
| 21:18.49 | Shirik | so this is rather pathetic |
| 21:18.58 | Shirik | that wordpad can handle opening a text file better than VS2003 |
| 21:19.17 | Shirik | granted, it's a 98MB file, but come on |
| 21:19.17 | Kirkburn|afk | Guillotine, rofl |
| 21:19.23 | Guillotine | haha, now I have ops |
| 21:19.28 | Guillotine | and I only came in to laugh at them |
| 21:19.35 | Kirkburn|afk | My turn to demonstrate some knowledge of IRC? |
| 21:19.52 | Shirik | =( |
| 21:19.53 | Shirik | 17:20:01 » Unable to join #conservapedia ‹channel is full› |
| 21:20.13 | Guillotine | Shirik: The op had no idea how to ban based on IP, so he set limit so noone would join |
| 21:20.18 | Shirik | haha |
| 21:20.22 | Shirik | wow. |
| 21:20.33 | Shirik | mode +b *!*@<ip> ? |
| 21:21.03 | Guillotine | I'd say about half the people in the channel now are wowi people :P |
| 21:21.05 | Kirkburn|afk | He set the limit of people to ONE |
| 21:21.25 | Guillotine | was kind of funny. The previous limit was 666. Kind of ironic |
| 21:21.58 | Shirik | 5/13 are wowi people |
| 21:22.10 | Guillotine | close enough to half for government work |
| 21:23.44 | Kirkburn|afk | 6/12 now |
| 21:23.50 | Shirik | 6? |
| 21:24.01 | Kirkburn|afk | If you include wowwiki |
| 21:24.05 | Shirik | ah |
| 21:26.04 | Guillotine | 7/13 |
| 21:26.06 | Guillotine | and 2/3 ops |
| 21:26.11 | Guillotine | this is kind of funny |
| 21:28.29 | MentalPower | what *is* conservapedia? |
| 21:28.54 | snaked | it's a rival project to wikipedia |
| 21:29.07 | snaked | they're doing an "encyclopedia" without wikipedia's "liberal bias" |
| 21:29.19 | snaked | i'm sure i don't need to explain how they've overcompensated ;) |
| 21:29.21 | Guillotine | see http://jonswift.blogspot.com/2007/02/conservapedia.html |
| 21:30.53 | Arrowmaster | rofl thats so funny |
| 21:31.17 | Kirkburn|afk | Selected quotes - http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=411077 |
| 21:31.25 | Kirkburn|afk | (from the site) |
| 21:37.02 | Arrowmaster | i seriously hope that blog is a joke |
| 21:37.57 | Guillotine | of course |
| 21:37.57 | Guillotine | well, its complete satire |
| 21:38.20 | snaked | hence the whole "jon swift" theme ;) |
| 21:49.36 | Guillotine | snaked: whos snackle? the guy you opped |
| 21:49.47 | snaked | look at hostnames |
| 21:50.15 | snaked | i think i'm actually going to try to keep the channel running relatively smoothly for a little while... sort of an exercise in masochism ;) |
| 21:50.22 | Guillotine | haha, ok |
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| 21:54.43 | Shirik | haha kirk |
| 21:54.48 | Shirik | you had to shove that in their face |
| 21:55.03 | Kirkburn|afk | It had to come up sometime |
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| 22:20.19 | Kirkburn|afk | Any Wii owners about? My number is 6685 6650 2343 4699 |
| 22:21.49 | Shirik | tmi. |
| 22:22.30 | zenzelezz | indeed |
| 22:23.22 | Kirkburn|afk | Gimme your Wii Number then :) |
| 22:23.58 | Shirik | it's too long for you |
| 22:24.05 | Shirik | yours is pretty long but |
| 22:24.07 | Shirik | mine's bigger |
| 22:24.35 | Cairenn|afk | this conversation just sounds so very wrong |
| 22:24.54 | snaked | i don't think as much effort was given to localization as should have been ;) |
| 22:26.31 | Kirkburn|afk | >.> |
| 22:27.22 | wereHamster | are there already '6685 6650 2343 4699' wii users on the world? or why does the number grow even bugger than that? |
| 22:27.48 | JoshBorke | purl hug Cairenn|afk |
| 22:27.49 | purl | ACTION hugs Cairenn|afk |
| 22:27.54 | zenzelezz | the different fields could have different meanings |
| 22:27.55 | Cairenn|afk | purl, hug JoshBorke |
| 22:27.56 | purl | ACTION hugs JoshBorke |
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| 22:30.41 | JoshBorke | wobin: gief splut update now! |
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| 22:33.53 | Guillotine | Hmm. We should figure out a way for all authors to exchange Wii numbers. Possibly WoWWiki post or wowi forum post, but with either of those anyone can see it |
| 22:34.28 | zenzelezz | what for? |
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| 22:35.01 | Guillotine | Mii parade of course! |
| 22:35.39 | Guillotine | plus, Super Smash Brothers Brawl is supposed to have a feature where you can play with people on your friends list |
| 22:35.53 | Shirik | >>> wiinumbers = {}; wiinumbers.wereHamster = 6685665023434699; return wiinumbers; |
| 22:35.53 | Cide | Shirik: { ["wereHamster"] = 6.6856650234347e+015 } (#1) |
| 22:35.56 | Shirik | hrm |
| 22:36.06 | Shirik | >>> wiinumbers = {}; wiinumbers.wereHamster = "6685 6650 2343 4699"; return wiinumbers; |
| 22:36.06 | Cide | Shirik: { ["wereHamster"] = "6685 6650 2343 4699" } (#1) |
| 22:36.13 | Shirik | There, Cide can keep track of all of our numbers! |
| 22:36.32 | zenzelezz | >>> return wiinumbers |
| 22:36.33 | Cide | zenzelezz: nil |
| 22:36.38 | Shirik | oh yeah |
| 22:36.41 | Shirik | different environments |
| 22:36.43 | Shirik | T_T |
| 22:36.55 | zenzelezz | Cide just called me nil :-| |
| 22:37.01 | Shirik | you are nil |
| 22:37.02 | Cide | I'll see if I can cook something up |
| 22:37.16 | Shirik | >>> return (zenzelezz == nil); |
| 22:37.16 | Cide | Shirik: true |
| 22:37.42 | zenzelezz | my existence is too complicated for the likes of you |
| 22:38.02 | Kirkburn|afk | Small problem, MY Wii Number is the above, not wereHamster's :) |
| 22:38.08 | Shirik | oh |
| 22:38.09 | Shirik | oops |
| 22:38.27 | zenzelezz | aha, so Kirk = wereHamster |
| 22:38.30 | zenzelezz | the plot thickens |
| 22:38.40 | Kirkburn|afk | Noo, confound you! |
| 22:38.46 | Shirik | >>> return (Kirkburn == wereHamster); |
| 22:38.47 | Cide | Shirik: true |
| 22:38.49 | Shirik | !!! |
| 22:38.51 | Shirik | Cide never lies! |
| 22:38.57 | Kirkburn|afk | hahaha |
| 22:38.58 | Cide | >>> (Iriel == slouken) |
| 22:38.59 | Cide | Cide: true |
| 22:39.02 | Cide | I KNEW IT |
| 22:39.05 | Shirik | haha |
| 22:39.07 | Guillotine | lol |
| 22:40.31 | Kirkburn|afk | Currently got gently-rolling tropical waves |
| 22:41.11 | Lej | >>> return Lej + Lej |
| 22:41.12 | Cide | Lej: |
| 22:41.42 | Shirik | Cide: Quick suggestion |
| 22:41.56 | Shirik | perhaps if the result is nil, maybe actually output "nil" instead of nothing? |
| 22:42.10 | Cide | it should |
| 22:42.16 | Cide | but that code went away today it seems |
| 22:42.23 | Shirik | oh I know why |
| 22:42.29 | Shirik | no I don't |
| 22:42.32 | Shirik | ignore me |
| 22:42.39 | Guillotine | Kirkburn: how do you set up animated desktop? o.O And does it slow down your computer like Active Desktop (or whatever it was called) in XP? |
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| 22:43.05 | Shirik | hahaha active desktop |
| 22:43.06 | Kirkburn|afk | This one is using 10% CPU on a 3 year old PC |
| 22:43.13 | Kirkburn|afk | Full motion video |
| 22:43.15 | Shirik | I remember that from the good old days of 98 |
| 22:43.40 | Kirkburn|afk | It disabled when you have a program or game full screen |
| 22:43.45 | Kirkburn|afk | *disables |
| 22:43.46 | wereHamster | where's Iriel? I haven't seen him in a long time... ? |
| 22:43.53 | Kirkburn|afk | ~seen Iriel |
| 22:44.21 | purl | iriel <n=daniel@adsl-71-158-244-138.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 2d 17h 57m 22s ago, saying: 'I feed him cookies at night'. |
| 22:44.21 | Kirkburn|afk | ~seen uselesspurl |
| 22:44.25 | purl | Kirkburn|afk: i haven't seen 'uselesspurl' |
| 22:44.25 | Shirik | purl, ping |
| 22:44.29 | purl | pong |
| 22:44.31 | wereHamster | ~seen slouken |
| 22:44.37 | purl | slouken <n=hercules@ip68-5-37-254.oc.oc.cox.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 86d 17h 55m 56s ago, saying: 'Okay folks, see ya later...'. |
| 22:44.39 | Cide | >>> return Lej + Lej |
| 22:44.39 | Cide | Cide: nil |
| 22:44.47 | Shirik | yey |
| 22:44.49 | Thunder_Child | lol, iriel was even talking about slouken |
| 22:44.51 | Cide | >>> return nil + nil |
| 22:44.51 | Cide | Cide: nil |
| 22:44.53 | Corrodias | damn, it's 80 F in here |
| 22:44.57 | Lej | does that mean I'm 1/2*nil? :/ |
| 22:45.14 | Kirkburn|afk | What's 80F in normal units? |
| 22:45.15 | Shirik | 1/2*nil is undefined |
| 22:45.15 | Cide | >>> Lej < nil |
| 22:45.15 | Cide | Cide: [string "Lej < nil"]:1: '=' expected near '<' |
| 22:45.18 | Cide | boo :P |
| 22:45.21 | Corrodias | lemme check |
| 22:46.42 | Corrodias | 26.67 Celcius, 539.67 Rankine, 21.33 Reaumur, or 299.82 Kelvin |
| 22:47.30 | Corrodias | it's a few degrees higher in here than outside (77 or so out there), but for still having snow on the ground in certain locations earlier today, it's still surprising. |
| 22:47.48 | JoshBorke | >>> (80-32)*(5/9) |
| 22:47.48 | Corrodias | global warming! oh noes! |
| 22:47.49 | Cide | JoshBorke: 26.666666666667 |
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| 22:49.10 | Shirik | wtf is Reaumur |
| 22:49.20 | JoshBorke | ~dict reaumur |
| 22:49.23 | Corrodias | i dunno |
| 22:49.41 | Shirik | ...... |
| 22:49.44 | Shirik | that was worthless |
| 22:49.56 | JoshBorke | ~google reaumur |
| 22:50.07 | JoshBorke | guess not |
| 22:51.07 | Shirik | "which 0° represents the ice point and 80° represents the steam point." |
| 22:51.18 | Shirik | what is the purpose for that... |
| 22:51.43 | Corrodias | yeah, that's as silly as celcius |
| 22:51.51 | zenzelezz | maybe he wanted to invent celsius but was too late |
| 22:52.01 | Shirik | celsius makes sense |
| 22:52.03 | Shirik | why 80? |
| 22:52.26 | JoshBorke | because 32 makes for a good freezing point? |
| 22:52.43 | Shirik | Wikipedia gives this reasoning: Réaumur may have chosen the octogesimal division because the number 80 could be halved 4 times and still be an integer (40, 20, 10, 5); the number 100, for instance, could only suffer this process 2 times (50, 25). |
| 22:52.50 | zenzelezz | about as good as a hamburgers for building houses |
| 22:52.54 | Shirik | No, but Farenheight has its own reasoning |
| 22:53.15 | Corrodias | http://boards.phwonline.com/showthread.php?t=25786 |
| 22:53.26 | Guillotine | Thats supposedly why there are 24 hours in a day. 24 has so many multiples |
| 22:53.40 | Guillotine | factors* |
| 22:53.44 | Corrodias | yeah, like "1"! |
| 22:58.57 | Lej | >>> for i=1,5 print(i) end |
| 22:58.57 | Cide | Lej: [string "for i=1,5 print(i) end"]:1: 'do' expected near 'print' |
| 22:59.03 | Lej | >>> for i=1,5 do print(i) end |
| 22:59.04 | Cide | Lej: 1 |
| 22:59.11 | Cide | hm, print is broken too now |
| 23:02.01 | Cide | >>> for i=1, 5 do print(i) end |
| 23:02.01 | Cide | Cide: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 |
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| 23:40.04 | cladhaire | Can you use ".." paths in your .toc? |
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