irclog2html for #wowi-lounge on 20070319

`00:00.00`	`decdev`	`if I use a function that gets an array of values, is there a simple way to load that into a table?`
`00:00.50`	`WobWork`	`oh man`
`00:00.51`	`subbawt`	`my guild just wiped on the chess event`
`00:00.52`	`WobWork`	`BB is outdoors`
`00:00.53`	`WobWork`	`yay`
`00:01.23`	`zenzelezz`	`subbawt: do it again then :-p`
`00:01.31`	`YammYgirlcoding`	`Cairenn\|afk :(`
`00:01.32`	`cladhaire`	`subbawt: eew`
`00:01.39`	`WobWork`	`alas`
`00:01.43`	`WobWork`	`No priest love`
`00:01.50`	`zenzelezz`	`my guild failed chess the first time since someone ran our king right into the enemies`
`00:02.10`	`WobWork`	`rofl`
`00:02.14`	`WobWork`	`All the new engineering love`
`00:02.17`	`WobWork`	`and I just dropped it =P`
`00:02.18`	`WobWork`	`ah well`
`00:02.25`	`WobWork`	`there's no way in hell I'm going to regrind =P`
`00:02.37`	`WobWork`	`although... Crafted “Steam Tank” and “Flying Machine” mounts useable only by engineers.`
`00:02.42`	`WobWork`	`That would be just cool =P`
`00:02.47`	`subbawt`	`the person controlling our king got disconnected, and the king despawned`
`00:02.54`	`zenzelezz`	`Kirk did say those notes can be fake`
`00:03.22`	`WobWork`	`It's true`
`00:04.11`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`They're quite convincing note imo`
`00:04.14`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`*notes`
`00:04.28`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`If they are fake, someone spent a /huge/ amount of time on them`
`00:04.40`	`zenzelezz`	`people like making quality fakes`
`00:04.42`	`WobWork`	`But they always do that`
`00:04.47`	`zenzelezz`	`I'll believe it when I see it on wow.com`
`00:05.04`	`WobWork`	`every time fake notes come out, it's because someone with too much time on their hands put it together`
`00:05.38`	`WobWork`	`with just enough realistic possibilities to camouflage the completely fake ones`
`00:05.47`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`yeah those fake notes have far too many positive changes`
`00:05.52`	`cladhaire`	`hey grabbed the UI stuff`
`00:05.52`	`cladhaire`	`all of it`
`00:05.55`	`cladhaire`	`that's not happened before`
`00:06.16`	`cladhaire`	`not that its hard, but still =)`
`00:06.29`	`WobWork`	`ahaha`
`00:06.30`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Does it use Iriel's wording?`
`00:06.39`	`cladhaire`	`its a c/p/ from iriel's post`
`00:06.48`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`hmm`
`00:06.49`	`cladhaire`	`whgich blizzard has done the last few patches`
`00:06.50`	`WobWork`	`It's great how we disregard patch notes from Blizzard cause there are 'too many positive changes' =)`
`00:07.07`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Bunch of cynical bastards`
`00:07.12`	`WobWork`	`It's true =)`
`00:08.41`	`subbawt`	`the only thing about these new patch notes, is there are many fixes which are so minor, but true`
`00:09.09`	`subbawt`	`like i read through the "fake" patch notes, and realized my belt was broken and i wasn't getting any bonus spell damage from it :P`
`00:09.21`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`"Clever Traps� now also increases the damage of �Snake Trap� by 15/30% against flying targets.`
`00:09.28`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`WoWInsider's take - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/03/18/leaked-2-1-0-patch-notes/`
`00:09.30`	`cladhaire`	`Why are Divine Shield and Divine Protection on a shared cooldown?`
`00:09.31`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`Snakes on a Gryphon`
`00:09.40`	`Gryphen`	`:o`
`00:09.57`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`because they're the same thing, more or less, clad`
`00:10.02`	`cladhaire`	`nod`
`00:10.05`	`cladhaire`	`just seems odd`
`00:10.07`	`cladhaire`	`why have both then?`
`00:10.17`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`DS lets you attack`
`00:10.22`	`Gngsk`	`save yourself or save someone else`
`00:10.25`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`that's the only real difference`
`00:10.26`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`no, gng`
`00:10.31`	`cladhaire`	`Gngsk: not in this case`
`00:10.34`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`DP is self only`
`00:10.38`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`as is DS`
`00:10.42`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`you're tinking BoP`
`00:10.45`	`Gngsk`	`ooh`
`00:10.52`	`Gngsk`	`I see, the young skill`
`00:10.56`	`sioraiocht`	`so why would you EVER use DS`
`00:11.00`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`same reason we have demon skin and demon armor`
`00:11.13`	`zenzelezz`	`"Fixed a typo in the “Missing Diplomat” quest" <--- now that's peculiar`
`00:11.16`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`what, sioraiocht?`
`00:11.24`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`DS lasts longer and is better @_@`
`00:11.42`	`sioraiocht`	`sorry, i meant why would you ever use DP`
`00:11.54`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`because you don't get DS until level 50 or so`
`00:12.08`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`it's just a lower rank`
`00:12.09`	`Nom-`	`Morning y'all`
`00:12.36`	`sioraiocht`	`you get DS at 34 =p`
`00:13.04`	`Nom-`	`Anyone know if the Paladin 'cleanse' works on enemy targets at all?`
`00:13.10`	`Gngsk`	`sure doesn't`
`00:13.14`	`sioraiocht`	`Nom-: no`
`00:13.15`	`Nom-`	`Thought so`
`00:13.26`	`Nom-`	`Dispell Magic does though, yes?`
`00:13.29`	`Shadowed`	`yes`
`00:13.34`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Why on earth would you want to cleanse an enemy?`
`00:13.55`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`s/earth/Azeroth/`
`00:14.06`	`Shadowed`	`Shamans are offensive magic dispellers, Paladins are defensive, Priests are offensives/defensives`
`00:14.34`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`"NEW: KDM() - Now functions for Tauren Druid characters."`
`00:14.42`	`Corrodias`	`KDM?`
`00:14.53`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`Caydiem.`
`00:14.59`	`Corrodias`	`hah`
`00:15.13`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`I'm guessing they're fake cause of the 300, snakes on a plane references; and that^`
`00:15.35`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`This is outland! doesn't exist, plus it's a 300 reference :O`
`00:15.36`	`zenzelezz`	`BC is full of movie references, why stop now?`
`00:15.46`	`Shadowed`	`Some of the PvP changes make sense actually`
`00:16.15`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`If they're prelim notes, they don't have to be perfect`
`00:16.30`	`WobWork`	`You haven't seen the Snakes on a Plane reference in Nagrand?`
`00:16.34`	`Shadowed`	`Druids being able to cure in tree form seems kind of odd`
`00:16.35`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`yeah`
`00:16.37`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Plus who's to say Blizz doesn't want some silly notes for their likely April Fool's patch`
`00:16.40`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`it's not that they're references`
`00:16.50`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`it's that they're adding references to talents`
`00:17.03`	`zenzelezz`	`Kirkburn\|afk: 47 new flight paths in the Barrens?`
`00:17.12`	`zenzelezz`	`or however many they said last time`
`00:17.12`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`lol`
`00:17.17`	`Nom-`	`bleh`
`00:17.23`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`that is true kirk, they could do that for april fools`
`00:17.23`	`zenzelezz`	`those were the best fake notes ever`
`00:17.29`	`Shadowed`	`47 flight paths would be needed for barrens`
`00:17.31`	`Nom-`	`I think I know what's killing us in phase 3 of Romulo and Julianne`
`00:17.35`	`Nom-`	`And I was right in suggesting it last night`
`00:17.43`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Your incompetence? ;)`
`00:17.50`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`but This is outland doesn't exist, and they're acting like they were fixing a broke quest that already exists in the notes`
`00:17.54`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`I kid, I kid`
`00:17.57`	`WobWork`	`Romulo?`
`00:18.06`	`WobWork`	`I'd say he might have a hand in it =)`
`00:18.23`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`That's crazy talk, Wob`
`00:18.25`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`there IS a movie reference in a hunter talent, but i forget what it is`
`00:18.31`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i think it's in the bestial wrath tooltip`
`00:18.36`	`zenzelezz`	`my guild is split in two groups for Kharazan... one of them has had the wolf event for the last five weeks`
`00:18.37`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`but i forget what the reference is to`
`00:18.55`	`Shadowed`	`"While enraged, the beast does not feel pity or remorse or fear and it cannot be stopped unless killed"?`
`00:19.00`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Wob, they're really the Judean People's Front crack suicide squad.`
`00:19.18`	`Nom-`	`Yeah, I don't think the raid has been dispelling Romulo at all (or at least quick enough)`
`00:19.26`	`WobWork`	`Not the Front for Judean Peoples?`
`00:19.47`	`Shadowed`	`Those patch notes that are linked to mmo-champion seem valid enough actually`
`00:20.08`	`Nom-`	`Does the devour magic from a fel puppy work if the fel puppy isn't actively attacking the target?`
`00:20.19`	`Nom-`	`Because Romulo is just going to slaughter any fel puppy that's in range`
`00:20.25`	`Shadowed`	`it's targetted like all other curing spells (i believe)`
`00:21.17`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`ooh it's a terminator reference, apparently`
`00:21.50`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`"Listen and understand. That terminator is out there. It can't be bargained with, it can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear, and it absolutely will not stop. Until you are dead."`
`00:22.03`	`Nom-`	`Yeah but there's an auto-cast for devour magic`
`00:22.06`	`WobWork`	`damnit`
`00:22.15`	`WobWork`	`I was just about to paste that, Rabies =)`
`00:22.16`	`Nom-`	`So does that require him to be in range, or will it devour anything within X yards`
`00:22.43`	`Nom-`	`Alternatively, has anyone had any success putting a Fel Puppy in a damage-free zone on Romulo? :/`
`00:22.45`	`Shadowed`	`I'm not sure about that, my guess is that if you set it to auto cast he has to be attacking them in melee, but if you make it manual then they can devour it being X yards away`
`00:22.53`	`Shadowed`	`but i'm not a warlock, so thats just guessing mostly`
`00:23.12`	`Shadowed`	`wowhead says 30yd range`
`00:25.05`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i think if you hit stay and then agressive he'll do it, i dunno`
`00:25.14`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`or agressive then stay`
`00:26.06`	`Shadowed`	`If you do Aggressive he'll hit the first thing that comes close to him basically and he'll go and try to melee it`
`00:26.29`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`even if you hit stay?`
`00:27.29`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Wob, no not the Popular People's Front of Judea`
`00:27.30`	`Shadowed`	`been a while since i've played a hunter with pet management`
`00:29.31`	`Shadowed`	`Pet has 3 modes, Passive (they do NOTHING even if attacked), Defensive (They only attack if they or the owner is attacked), Aggressive (They attack anything that goes nearby and is aggro), Also they have 2 movement modes, Follow and Stay, Stay just means they'll stay where they are but they'll still listen to modes, follow means they follow the owner.`
`00:29.51`	`Shadowed`	`I could be wrong it's been a while since i've played a hunter`
`00:30.34`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i dunno i've never done agressive + stay`
`00:31.22`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`They'll probably stay where they are, but fight back`
`00:32.15`	`WobWork`	`agg+stay means they'll attack anyone who comes in range`
`00:32.21`	`WobWork`	`I'm fairly sure`
`00:38.25`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge SynthosX_ (n=SynthosX@CPE0015e9ea82d9-CM0014f8c1b394.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com)`
`00:39.30`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`so will a felpuppy still autodevour without being in melee range that way?`
`00:39.59`	`WobWork`	`You'd have to test that`
`00:40.14`	`WobWork`	`You could test it in the mines under Honor Hold if you're ally`
`00:40.15`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i dunno my highest lock is 26, so i cant`
`00:41.14`	`Shadowed`	`You could just set your felhunter to passive + stay and manually devour magic`
`00:41.38`	`WobWork`	`That takes effort though`
`00:41.58`	`JoshBorke`	`er, there's a guy on my server named anduin`
`00:42.03`	`JoshBorke`	`and he's a paladin...`
`00:42.10`	`JoshBorke`	`that's weird`
`00:43.48`	`cladhaire`	`why?`
`00:43.55`	`cladhaire`	`AnduinLothar is named AnduinLothar`
`00:43.57`	`cladhaire`	`and he's a paladin =)`
`00:44.04`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge SynthosX__ (n=SynthosX@CPE0015e9ea82d9-CM0014f8c1b394.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com)`
`00:45.22`	`JoshBorke`	`i know! it could be a clone!`
`00:45.25`	`JoshBorke`	`lvl 70 human paladin`
`00:47.34`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`I moved up another rank on the wiki yesterday :P`
`00:47.54`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Ironically, I'm now a bureaucrat`
`00:48.21`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`The one thing I hate, defines who I am :/`
`00:48.23`	`zenzelezz`	`Kirkburn\|afk: baton plz`
`00:49.27`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`zenzelezz, I'm not sure about a baton, but I can give you a rod. Not telling you where I'll put it though...`
`00:49.43`	`zenzelezz`	`no-one ever knows AO :-\|`
`00:50.03`	`zenzelezz`	`the bureaucrat class had a series of XP buffs, Baton of ...`
`00:50.45`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`... Easily Dropped In The Olympicsage?`
`00:51.05`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`AO being Anarchy Online?`
`00:51.09`	`zenzelezz`	`yup`
`00:51.18`	`Bleeter`	`Mr_Rabies2: agressive + stay: the pet will stay at a point, when something comes within range of it, it'll attack. when the target's dead, it'll return to the 'stay' point.`
`00:51.47`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`so it's passive until it gets close?`
`00:51.53`	`Nom-`	`bleh`
`00:51.54`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`or will it use ranged stuff`
`00:52.03`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`zenzelezz, ooh, and it's still alive I see`
`00:52.10`	`Tain`	`I liked AO when it came out. Unbearably buggy at first, but it still had some fun ideas that no one else has done.`
`00:52.13`	`Nom-`	`All these guides are saying it's a 50% increase in damage (the buff on Romulo)`
`00:52.16`	`Bleeter`	`dunno, ain't used ranged pets`
`00:52.17`	`Nom-`	`But it's not`
`00:52.19`	`Nom-`	`It's a 3x damage bonus`
`00:52.24`	`Nom-`	`Because it's 50% speed and 50% damage`
`00:52.54`	`Nom-`	`I think that's why noone thought the buff was so necessary to dispell`
`00:58.28`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`About those patch notes, how could Cairenn have been mentioned in them? It's very odd`
`00:59.11`	`cladhaire`	`Kirkburn\|afk: cairenn?`
`00:59.12`	`cladhaire`	`where?`
`00:59.55`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`"NEW: KDM() - Now functions for Tauren Druid characters."`
`01:00.06`	`cladhaire`	`you mean Caydiem`
`01:00.08`	`cladhaire`	`not Cairenn`
`01:00.16`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Lol`
`01:00.19`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`<-- stoopid`
`01:00.29`	`cladhaire`	`and if you remember correctly, Caydiem did a bunch of april fools notes last year`
`01:00.31`	`cladhaire`	`so it DOES make sense`
`01:00.35`	`cladhaire`	`nub`
`01:00.39`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`:(`
`01:00.52`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Eyonix wrote them, I thought`
`01:01.05`	`cladhaire`	`cay posted them`
`01:01.09`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Look, they shouldn't have such similar names, 'yknow`
`01:01.23`	`cladhaire`	`it was a "omg i'm no longer a CM, so here are the leaked notes before they take my access away"`
`01:01.59`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`=)`
`01:02.15`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Twas a fun day`
`01:02.29`	`Bleeter`	`it could also be a planned leak of a mismash of various real, fake, and already implemented stuff. guage some community reactions and stuff while keeping us in the dark, so on ;)`
`01:02.39`	`WobWork`	`lol =P`
`01:02.50`	`WobWork`	`Like they don't get enough opinon from the forums =P`
`01:02.55`	`Bleeter`	`get back to work, WobWork!`
`01:03.32`	`Nom-`	`blahh`
`01:03.36`	`Nom-`	`WTB access to WoW Forums`
`01:03.57`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`I hear getting an account helps ...`
`01:04.25`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge CIA-16 (i=cia@cia.navi.cx)`
`01:04.46`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Er, CIA here?`
`01:04.47`	`Shadowed`	`Most of the opinions are people whining about changes :p`
`01:05.33`	`WobWork`	`O.O`
`01:05.53`	`Nom-`	`lol can't even browse to the WoW Forums`
`01:05.56`	`WobWork`	`What svn are you watching CIA? =P`
`01:05.56`	`Nom-`	`Seems like it's down`
`01:07.10`	`WobWork`	`bah`
`01:07.15`	`WobWork`	`You can't privmsg CIA`
`01:07.20`	`Bleeter`	`Nom-: I can login and view posts in the general forum`
`01:07.26`	`WobWork`	`cause his/her nick isn't registered I guess =P`
`01:07.27`	`Bleeter`	`Nom-: I'd be blaming your ISP ;) :P`
`01:08.09`	`Nom-`	`I am my ISP`
`01:08.10`	`Nom-`	`:~(`
`01:09.02`	`Nom-`	`It doesn't seem to resopnse`
`01:09.05`	`Nom-`	`*respond`
`01:09.22`	`Nom-`	`It just times out when trying to go to http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/`
`01:09.22`	`WobWork`	`You only have yourself to blame then =)`
`01:09.48`	`Nom-`	`I can get to www.worldofwarcraft.com though`
`01:09.59`	`Nom-`	`http://forums.wow-europe.com/index.html?sid=1 <-- that works`
`01:10.05`	`Bleeter`	`Nom-: trace to 12.129.242.24`
`01:10.28`	`Bleeter`	`bbl`
`01:10.45`	`WobWork`	`oh man`
`01:10.45`	`WobWork`	`win`
`01:10.46`	`WobWork`	`http://www.stupidiotic.com/product_info.php?&products_id=99`
`01:11.00`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`You are you ISP? Never heard of that setup`
`01:11.11`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`How does it work?`
`01:11.15`	`Nom-`	`I work for my ISP :)`
`01:11.24`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`aah`
`01:11.32`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`DNS problems?`
`01:11.49`	`Nom-`	`nope, it's resolving`
`01:11.52`	`Nom-`	`It's a server timeout`
`01:12.34`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Antiar1 (n=Chris@wsip-70-184-82-98.ph.ph.cox.net)`
`01:13.05`	`Nom-`	`http://wowi.pastey.net/8590`
`01:13.11`	`Nom-`	`* seems to get there ok`
`01:13.47`	`Nom-`	`follows the same path to www. as forums.`
`01:13.50`	`Nom-`	`So shrug`
`01:17.49`	`subbawt`	`NEW: KDM() - Now functions for Tauren Druid characters.`
`01:17.51`	`subbawt`	`what is this`
`01:18.48`	`WobWork`	`http://www.complex.com/blogs/?p=2515/`
`01:18.54`	`WobWork`	`That is so geeky`
`01:19.01`	`WobWork`	`but in a wonderful beautiful way`
`01:19.47`	`Tain`	`haha yeah I saw those, Wob. There's also some Transformers sneakers, but they don't transform.`
`01:20.16`	`Nom-`	`pfft`
`01:20.31`	`Corrodias`	`subbawt: i'm told that's "Caydiem" spelled cutely`
`01:20.33`	`Nom-`	`I want transforming shoes dagnabbit`
`01:20.33`	`WobWork`	`I saw the first three episodes of MacGuyver last night.`
`01:20.38`	`WobWork`	`It was BRILLIANT =)`
`01:20.52`	`Nom-`	`lol`
`01:20.53`	`WobWork`	`Hearkens back to the good old days`
`01:21.01`	`WobWork`	`when all you needed was duct tape =)`
`01:21.10`	`subbawt`	`ah, i don't get the tauren druid reference, though`
`01:21.11`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Shadowedd (n=outlaw@12.157.177.162)`
`01:21.19`	`Nom-`	`"I've got 3 yards of fishing wire, a roll of duct tape, and a box cutter. Let's make a bomb!"`
`01:21.24`	`Shadowedd`	`Well that was weird`
`01:21.47`	`Nom-`	`10:22 < WobWork> I saw the first three episodes of MacGuyver last night.`
`01:21.52`	`subbawt`	`unless she's a tauren druid`
`01:21.53`	`Nom-`	`It was in reply to that :P`
`01:22.01`	`WobWork`	`nostalgia plus plus`
`01:22.12`	`Corrodias`	`caydiem is a CM`
`01:22.17`	`Shadowedd`	`was`
`01:22.22`	`Corrodias`	`possibly the joke is that she always talks about night elves but not tauren`
`01:22.31`	`Corrodias`	`was?`
`01:22.41`	`Corrodias`	`that's like the past tense of is`
`01:22.43`	`Nom-`	`KDM() = ?`
`01:22.50`	`Shadowedd`	`She still works at Blizzard but not as a CM if I remember right`
`01:28.03`	`Nom-`	`ooooh`
`01:28.16`	`Nom-`	`KDM = Caydiem`
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`01:33.04`	`cladhaire`	`hahahaha`
`01:33.27`	`cladhaire`	`she works "elsewhere" now in the company`
`01:35.00`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`what's the script command to bring up the talent frame again?`
`01:35.34`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`<Corrodias> possibly the joke is that she always talks about night elves but not tauren`
`01:35.37`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`her druid was a tauren`
`01:35.59`	`cladhaire`	`this is true`
`01:36.49`	`JoshBorke`	`purl, hug Cairenn`
`01:36.56`	`Cairenn`	`purl, hug JoshBorke`
`01:37.02`	`cladhaire`	`WB Cairenn`
`01:37.07`	`Cairenn`	`thanks`
`01:37.12`	`JoshBorke`	`wb cair`
`01:37.21`	`JoshBorke`	`wiping in your first heroic sucks`
`01:37.41`	`JoshBorke`	`fury war, prot war, feral druid, shadow priest, tree druid ftl`
`01:37.42`	`WobWork`	`But should be somewhat expected =)`
`01:38.05`	`JoshBorke`	`bosses are easy peasy`
`01:38.11`	`Kaso`	`Mr_Rabies /run ToggleTalentFrame()`
`01:38.23`	`Thrae`	`That's a pretty good setup, JoshBorke`
`01:38.34`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`thanks kaso`
`01:38.38`	`Thrae`	`Someone in your group just isn't up to the challenge`
`01:38.51`	`JoshBorke`	`we can't deal with 2 fears`
`01:38.55`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`still doesn't work, have to disable specialtalent to check i guess`
`01:39.04`	`Thrae`	`IE, "I'm a Feral Druid. I only DPS!", "I'm a Shadow Priest, I only DPS!"`
`01:39.13`	`JoshBorke`	`i've been on MC duty`
`01:39.13`	`subbawt`	`what heroic are you doing JoshBorke?`
`01:39.19`	`JoshBorke`	`slave pens`
`01:39.28`	`subbawt`	`you have like zero crowd control :\`
`01:39.30`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`in heroics as a feral druid you can't do much more than dps or tank`
`01:39.30`	`JoshBorke`	`what we think would be the easiest one`
`01:39.36`	`Thrae`	`"I'm a Fury Warrior, I DPS!"`
`01:39.38`	`JoshBorke`	`feral druid is tanking`
`01:39.45`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`if you're tanking that's all you can do`
`01:39.58`	`Thrae`	`Sometimes the best way to tank is to heal ;)`
`01:40.01`	`JoshBorke`	`our problem is the 4 man pulls with 2 mobs fearing`
`01:40.01`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`if you're dpsing you can throw a heal or two and an innervate when necessary`
`01:40.05`	`subbawt`	`the makeup is kind of poor`
`01:40.09`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`if you're tanking you're stuck in bear form`
`01:40.12`	`Thrae`	`Mr_Rabies2: Right`
`01:40.14`	`JoshBorke`	`yea, i know, for slave pens anyway`
`01:40.18`	`Thrae`	`I'm talking about those that NEVER leave their forms`
`01:40.30`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`in combat at least`
`01:40.33`	`Thrae`	`JoshBorke: Druids don't have Cyclone yet?`
`01:40.44`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`cyclone is 6 sec on DRs`
`01:40.45`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`:O`
`01:40.45`	`JoshBorke`	`they do, but it only works for the first 6 seconds`
`01:40.56`	`Thrae`	`Cyclone can only be cast out of combat?`
`01:41.01`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`no`
`01:41.03`	`JoshBorke`	`6->3->1`
`01:41.05`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`but it's on a DR`
`01:41.14`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`^`
`01:41.14`	`Thrae`	`Ouch, that's one heck of a DR`
`01:41.17`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`yeah`
`01:41.24`	`cladhaire`	`well, that's how all DR works =)`
`01:41.29`	`cladhaire`	`just bites us harder =)`
`01:41.31`	`cladhaire`	`chomp`
`01:41.32`	`subbawt`	`i suppose if you pull stuff really far back, you can utilize your aoe fears that you have`
`01:41.38`	`Nom-`	`DR?`
`01:41.40`	`subbawt`	`you have two warriors and a priest`
`01:41.41`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`100%->50%->25%`
`01:41.51`	`Nom-`	`oh dim returns`
`01:41.57`	`Nom-`	`Caffeine isn't working today :(`
`01:42.21`	`Thrae`	`cladhaire: Not Fear. Fear always has a DR of 1%, unless the Warlock is being mobbed, then its duration is reduced to 1 second`
`01:42.21`	`JoshBorke`	`we're 3 pulls from the last boss`
`01:42.37`	`WobWork`	`Best way`
`01:42.40`	`JoshBorke`	`well, not including the save the guyp event`
`01:42.44`	`WobWork`	`hibernate the rays`
`01:42.47`	`JoshBorke`	`ugh, i hated that thing the first time i ran it`
`01:42.47`	`subbawt`	`ah well then it's not going THAT bad`
`01:42.49`	`WobWork`	`and MC the other fearer`
`01:42.51`	`Thrae`	`JoshBorke: You know what your problem is.`
`01:42.57`	`subbawt`	`the real problem is the last boss does a cleave :P`
`01:42.58`	`Thrae`	`WhoMod is lagging you and your party members!`
`01:43.06`	`subbawt`	`and you have 3 melee`
`01:43.10`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`yes, pull with hibernate, regrowth yourself and go bear`
`01:43.15`	`subbawt`	`i don't know if it's a chain cleave or what`
`01:43.16`	`JoshBorke`	`subbawt: we've been here for about 2 hours at least`
`01:43.26`	`WobWork`	`~comfort JoshBorke`
`01:43.27`	`Gngsk`	`subbawt, it's not and it's 100% avoidable`
`01:43.39`	`Thrae`	`How is Maim's DR?`
`01:43.51`	`subbawt`	`yeah one rogue i run with has no problem avoiding it`
`01:43.53`	`subbawt`	`the other one kept dying`
`01:44.01`	`subbawt`	`i told him to melee from max range`
`01:44.05`	`Gngsk`	`yeah, heh`
`01:44.13`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i'm not sure it has a DR thrae`
`01:44.22`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`because it's on a 10 sec cooldown, dunno`
`01:44.37`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i never do it more often than once every 15 sec so i couldn't tell ya`
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`01:45.31`	`subbawt`	`does anyone know blizzard's policy on item restorations?`
`01:45.35`	`Thrae`	`Rake + Maim spam w/ a Warlock or Shadow Priest sounds like it would be pretty sweet, since I think it doesn't interrupt with DoTS as well as Bleeds`
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`01:46.40`	`cladhaire`	`subbawt: They'll do it, btu they'll make you feel like your'e goign to use up your last one`
`01:46.57`	`JoshBorke`	`they'll do it but they have to kill a kitten and a puppy`
`01:47.09`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`rake has a initial damage component`
`01:47.12`	`subbawt`	`is there a time limit?`
`01:47.35`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`plus it's puny dot damage isn't worth doing`
`01:47.52`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`mangle rocks it to just spam`
`01:48.12`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`more dps to mangle mangle mangle mangle than mangle rake mangle mangle`
`01:48.55`	`Tain`	`There's an eharmony commercial that's been running where they show a guy and on a bunch of dates with crazy women.`
`01:49.06`	`Tain`	`And I'm strangely attracted to one of the crazy women.`
`01:49.35`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`seems a bit redundant`
`01:49.48`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`crazy women`
`01:50.20`	`Tain`	`True enough.`
`01:50.45`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`How did I ever miss this?! http://howtoprankatelemarketer.ytmnd.com/`
`01:51.18`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`Tain: http://youtube.com/watch?v=TI8pvV3rgqA`
`01:51.35`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`that is frightening`
`01:51.37`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`the voices`
`01:51.50`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`are we craaaaaaaaaazyyyyyy to be thiiiissss much in loooooooooove`
`01:52.15`	`Tain`	`haha it's funny becuase the voices are enough like the commercial.`
`01:53.04`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`the doctor minored in voices that frighten children studies`
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`01:57.30`	`Nom-`	`lol`
`01:57.36`	`Nom-`	`I'm so glad i've never seen those ads`
`01:57.42`	`Nom-`	`They look shite`
`02:04.20`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Though I find the content disagreeable, I just tested this and it's true - http://subliminal.ytmnd.com/`
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`02:06.00`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`One for the Family Guy fans - http://petergriffonlives.ytmnd.com/`
`02:07.34`	`Nom-`	`lol Kirkburn\|afk ... seen both of those before, but yeah...still funny`
`02:12.44`	`WobWork`	`wow`
`02:12.44`	`WobWork`	`http://www.myvirtualzone.com/detail.aspx?ID=14163`
`02:12.50`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`I'll try not to flood with links, but this one I like - http://ytmndjapan.ytmnd.com/`
`02:12.50`	`WobWork`	`Can you imagine -that- going down the stairs?`
`02:13.20`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Have you seen it in action?`
`02:13.24`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`It's incredible`
`02:15.18`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Ah, classic memories - http://simcityneworleans.ytmnd.com/`
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`02:18.08`	`zenzelezz`	`you know, Romulo should have dropped a polearm called The Shakespear`
`02:18.35`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`also a good name for a sex toy`
`02:18.51`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`my mind is in the gutter :x`
`02:19.06`	`zenzelezz`	`well I didn't investigate, but I don't recall any Romeo & Juliette themed porn movies`
`02:19.37`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`if it exists, porn of it exists`
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`02:19.44`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`this is rule 34 of the internet`
`02:21.32`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`rule 35 is that if it is discovered that porn of it doesn't exist, it must be created.`
`02:35.22`	`Bleeter`	`Cairenn: for your info, the W32.Messmulti worm targets wingaim. As I know you're a user of wingaim, I'm warning you of the worm's existence so you can ensure whatever A/V you're using protects you.`
`02:35.53`	`Cairenn`	`AVG`
`02:36.02`	`Bleeter`	`(it targets Wingaim, amongst other IM programs)`
`02:36.08`	`Cairenn`	`nod`
`02:36.29`	`Bleeter`	`that's the symantec name, but I can't get to their site to see if they've got other known names listed, you're on your own from here on ;)`
`02:36.50`	`zenzelezz`	`what does the worm do, anything bad?`
`02:37.11`	`Bleeter`	`"`
`02:37.12`	`Bleeter`	`W32.Messmulti is a worm that sends a link to itself through multiple instant messengers or chat programs."`
`02:37.23`	`Bleeter`	`beyond that, can't say 'coz I can't see the symantec report`
`02:37.31`	`Bleeter`	`http://www.symantec.com/enterprise/security_response/writeup.jsp?docid=2007-031312-1929-99`
`02:37.36`	`Bleeter`	`slow as hell for whatever reason`
`02:38.30`	`Nom-`	`<PROTECTED>`
`02:38.39`	`Nom-`	`and omg Cairenn is suing the cute kitten`
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`02:38.47`	`Nom-`	`Talk about cuteness overload`
`02:38.48`	`Cairenn`	`huh?`
`02:39.06`	`Nom-`	`"is it can be hugs tiem now plees ?"`
`02:39.10`	`Nom-`	`http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9048`
`02:39.11`	`Cairenn`	`I'm not suing it`
`02:39.12`	`Nom-`	`:)`
`02:39.14`	`Tain`	`My cat is waving its tail at me right now.`
`02:39.20`	`zenzelezz`	`love that picture`
`02:39.21`	`Nom-`	`USING`
`02:39.24`	`Nom-`	`sigh`
`02:39.24`	`Cairenn`	`ah`
`02:39.25`	`Cairenn`	`lol`
`02:39.40`	`Cairenn`	`yeah, I love that one, just too cute for words`
`02:40.01`	`Nom-`	`LOL @ Minderseer`
`02:40.08`	`Tain`	`I am too cute for words, you're right. But I try not to take it too heart.`
`02:40.11`	`Nom-`	`Using 1.12.2 ?? what a nub :)`
`02:41.52`	`Nom-`	`(My guild forums are slow today, so i'm trolling wowi) ^_^`
`02:42.16`	`Tierrie`	`I love cuteoverload`
`02:45.05`	`Tierrie`	`for some reason my ColorPickerFrame takes a long time to load and close`
`02:45.58`	`Tierrie`	`slash annoyed :P`
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`02:49.15`	`Nom-`	`You running Skinner, Tierrie ?`
`02:49.15`	`Tierrie`	`no`
`02:49.15`	`Tierrie`	`also when change the colors on colorpicker`
`02:49.38`	`Tierrie`	`anyone has this problem?`
`02:50.31`	`Tierrie`	`figured it out`
`02:50.55`	`zenzelezz`	`do tell`
`02:51.28`	`decdev`	`can somebody remind me where the link is with all the enchants and their numbers`
`02:52.28`	`Tierrie`	`I found out that it only lags when there's a frame that is over it`
`02:52.37`	`Tierrie`	`trying to figure out what the framestrata was`
`02:54.01`	`Tierrie`	`it had no framestrata :P`
`02:58.18`	`decdev`	`... how do I get the bonuses an item has on it? +10 str, +5 agil, etc`
`03:03.14`	`nymbia`	`decdev: parse`
`03:03.20`	`nymbia`	`:(`
`03:03.59`	`decdev`	`I think I double thought`
`03:04.01`	`Nom-`	`decdev: http://www.wowwiki.com/ItemString`
`03:04.06`	`decdev`	`parsing is fun`
`03:04.20`	`decdev`	`I wanted to know what function returned it.. thanks :)`
`03:06.12`	`Tierrie`	`how do you call a function so the variable "this" in that function refers the object?`
`03:06.27`	`Tierrie`	`trying to figure out the syntax for lua`
`03:06.30`	`Nom-`	`object:function`
`03:06.44`	`clad\|sleep`	`that would be self, not this`
`03:06.48`	`Tierrie`	`that would be self`
`03:06.49`	`Nom-`	`Or, to be OO correct, object:method`
`03:06.51`	`Tierrie`	`what cladsleepy said`
`03:07.06`	`Nom-`	`hmmmm?`
`03:07.21`	`Tierrie`	`when you call a function via obj:method() the variable "self" refers to obj`
`03:07.32`	`Tierrie`	`this I think will refer to the event frame that called it`
`03:07.47`	`Tierrie`	`"this" will refer to the event frame iirc`
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`03:08.12`	`xlvii`	`does anyone know if the uh.. archmage varoth chain quest line is for any attunement, or something?`
`03:11.05`	`clad\|sleep`	`don;'t use this`
`03:11.10`	`clad\|sleep`	`this is deprecated`
`03:11.20`	`Nom-`	`<PROTECTED>`
`03:11.24`	`Nom-`	`Need to farm 5000 gold`
`03:11.33`	`Tierrie`	`has it?`
`03:11.40`	`clad\|sleep`	`yes`
`03:11.44`	`clad\|sleep`	`thids and the global arg1, arg2`
`03:11.45`	`clad\|sleep`	`etc`
`03:11.51`	`Tierrie`	`ok`
`03:12.09`	`Nom-`	`Pondering if it's better to drop blacksmith and get herbalism... along with mining, that should get a fair emount of gold...anyone tried this combo?`
`03:12.10`	`Tierrie`	`whats the suggested way to refer to the calling frame?`
`03:12.27`	`decdev`	`item:13099:0:0:0:0:0:0:1511924882 so this for example would imply that the item has no enchants on it`
`03:12.46`	`clad\|sleep`	`Tierrie: ready iriel's post, those variables are passed to all handlers.`
`03:12.52`	`Nom-`	`decdev: Yes`
`03:13.24`	`clad\|sleep`	`Tierrie: the 2.0.x post, later down, in the fourth or fifth post`
`03:13.41`	`clad\|sleep`	`for example OnEvent handlers are passed (self, event, ...)`
`03:13.42`	`decdev`	`Nom-, this item does have enchants on it though`
`03:13.46`	`clad\|sleep`	`where self is the frame object`
`03:13.52`	`clad\|sleep`	`you can name them however you'd like incoming`
`03:13.59`	`clad\|sleep`	`but in the <OnEvent> box, its self`
`03:14.11`	`Nom-`	`decdev: What does it have on it ?`
`03:14.12`	`clad\|sleep`	`night all`
`03:14.20`	`Cairenn`	`night clad\|sleep, Tem\|Sleep`
`03:14.25`	`decdev`	`+3 agil +8 spirit`
`03:14.25`	`MentalPower`	`night clad`
`03:14.36`	`Nom-`	`Ah, those are the base stats, not the enchant`
`03:14.40`	`MentalPower`	`thats not an enchant...`
`03:15.11`	`decdev`	`ah`
`03:15.16`	`decdev`	`how do I get those?`
`03:16.11`	`Tierrie`	`thanks clad, i was looking for it`
`03:16.27`	`Nom-`	`decdev: I may be wrong, but I think you have to parse the Tooltip`
`03:16.35`	`decdev`	`ok, can do`
`03:16.44`	`Nom-`	`Looking through the WoW API, I don't see anything that gets those base stats`
`03:19.10`	`MentalPower`	`WTB Textfile format converter, PST`
`03:19.37`	`Tierrie`	`clad: i can't seem to find it`
`03:20.12`	`MentalPower`	`Nom-: there isin't`
`03:20.19`	`MentalPower`	`you need to parse the toolip`
`03:20.23`	`MentalPower`	`tooltip*`
`03:20.36`	`Nom-`	`MentalPower: That's what I said :)`
`03:20.47`	`Tierrie`	`searching for depreciated on the forum doesn't yield results :(`
`03:20.50`	`Nom-`	`Well, that's what I thought :)`
`03:20.50`	`Tierrie`	`maybe wowwiki`
`03:20.54`	`MentalPower`	`oh, sorry, didn't see you were responding`
`03:21.03`	`Nom-`	`deprecated != depreciated`
`03:22.50`	`Nom-`	`deprecated`
`03:22.50`	`Nom-`	`Said of a program or feature that is considered obsolescent and in the process of being phased out, usually in favour of a specified replacement`
`03:24.09`	`Nom-`	`And, deprecated with PR is shit`
`03:24.24`	`Nom-`	`bleh`
`03:24.35`	`Nom-`	`deprecated with s/pr/f/ is shift`
`03:24.36`	`Nom-`	`:)`
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`03:24.51`	`Nom-`	`blah, fingets no worky as well as brain`
`03:24.53`	`Nom-`	`sigh`
`03:24.56`	`Nom-`	`*fingers`
`03:27.51`	`Tierrie`	`does anyone know where I can read the info about "this" being depreciated?`
`03:32.04`	`decdev`	`which function returns the tool tip string?`
`03:36.41`	`MentalPower`	`decdev: http://auctioneeraddon.com/scm/browser/archive/4.0/itemizer/ItemScanner.lua`
`03:41.01`	`*** topic/#wowi-lounge by Cairenn -> Paste Code Here: http://wowi.pastey.net/ Wisdom for the day: Guys, no shirt, no service. Girls, no shirt, no charge.`
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`03:50.01`	`Thunder_Child`	`lol Cairenn, so true`
`03:50.11`	`xlvii`	`what's the skill for paladin that gives them wings? (no redbull / captain america jokes, please)`
`03:50.14`	`Cairenn`	`wondered how long it would take`
`03:50.39`	`Thunder_Child`	`well i was watching farscape`
`03:50.45`	`Thunder_Child`	`it's a good excuse`
`03:52.01`	`Nom-`	`"Guys, no shirt, no service. Girls, no shirt, no charge. Cairenn, post pic, free reign to do whatever she wants."`
`03:52.19`	`Nom-`	`>:)`
`03:53.26`	`Cairenn`	`lol`
`03:54.07`	`Nom-`	`Do Et. ;)`
`03:54.50`	`Cairenn`	`heh, nice try`
`03:54.52`	`Cairenn`	`not happening`
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`04:01.59`	`Shadowed`	`xlvii: Avenging Wrath`
`04:03.14`	`Nom-`	`WTB New Flintlocke's`
`04:07.10`	`Nom-`	`hmmm ponders which mp3 to start streaming`
`04:09.39`	`Nom-`	`Irish I were drunk.`
`04:09.44`	`Nom-`	`Best T-Shirt slogan ever.`
`04:13.29`	`Nom-`	`Anyone tried farming with double-gathering? (Mining/Herb)?`
`04:13.49`	`Nom-`	`Does it generate enough cash if you farm for 1-2 hours a day to justify dropping Blacksmith (235ish)`
`04:22.18`	`Nom-`	`WoW forums are working again`
`04:25.12`	`decdev`	`is there an actual function that returns the tooltip info though? I dont feel right using somebody elses code`
`04:25.43`	`decdev`	`I have... its a pain`
`04:30.01`	`Nom-`	`No, decdev`
`04:30.12`	`Nom-`	`You either use a pre-built library (that code linked is one of them)`
`04:30.16`	`Nom-`	`Or you do it yourself`
`04:30.24`	`Shadowed`	`Nom-: I have`
`04:30.52`	`decdev`	`so its generally considered ok do include that code in my project?`
`04:31.06`	`Nom-`	`Shadowed: How'd it go in Outland with the farming?`
`04:31.20`	`Nom-`	`decdev: Look at the licence information at the top...It's GPL`
`04:31.21`	`Shadowed`	`I haven't tried it in Outland yet, but I doubt you could do it`
`04:31.30`	`decdev`	`thats what I figured`
`04:31.34`	`Nom-`	`Shadowed: How so?`
`04:31.53`	`Shadowed`	`Not sure if you could see stuff on the ground without tracking up`
`04:32.00`	`Nom-`	`The herbs sure`
`04:32.08`	`Nom-`	`But the ore nodes are pretty easy to see in most zones`
`04:32.12`	`Shadowed`	`But I suppose if you know the route and where everything spawns it wouldn't be that bad, thats just what I did pre-TBC`
`04:32.33`	`Nom-`	`Not so in Zangarmarsh, but should be fine in most i reckon :/`
`04:37.16`	`MentalPower`	`decdev: YourTooltipObjectNameGoesHereTextLeftX:GetText(), where X is from 1 to YourTooltipObjectNameGoesHere:NumLines()`
`04:37.53`	`decdev`	`thats why we have a collection of mods that take care of it :)`
`04:38.15`	`Nom-`	`I just don't seem to make enough money farming ores in Outland`
`04:38.25`	`Nom-`	`And Thorium are mined to extinction`
`04:39.00`	`Nom-`	`Takes me like 2-3 hours to get a stack of Thorium lately...all the nodes are farmed dry`
`04:39.24`	`Nom-`	`And even worse, i'm trying to save the Thorium for levelling instead of selling it`
`04:39.58`	`Nom-`	`Hence why i'm thinking double-gathering :)`
`04:41.54`	`Shadowed`	`Not sure about your server, but I know a lot of guildies that make money off of mining`
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`04:48.39`	`Nom-`	`yeah, but at this stage, with the "casual" farming that I do, i'm barely covering raid costs each week :(`
`04:57.56`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i always made gold in raids at 60`
`04:58.06`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`every single time, pretty much`
`04:58.25`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`even if we were wiping excessively`
`04:58.37`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i'd come back with like 10-15 more gold after a run @_@`
`04:59.00`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`then again i never potion or anything`
`05:00.32`	`Nom-`	`yeah lol`
`05:00.42`	`Nom-`	`That might have happened previously`
`05:00.49`	`Nom-`	`But now it's costing 150g in Potions`
`05:00.54`	`Nom-`	`2-3 full repairs`
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`05:01.03`	`Nom-`	`So there's another 40-60g on repairs`
`05:01.10`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`screw potions :p`
`05:01.16`	`Nom-`	`You need them`
`05:01.19`	`Nom-`	`Seriously...`
`05:01.41`	`Nom-`	`Maybe as dps or healing you can get away with a lot less, but as a tank it's hard`
`05:01.45`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`unless you're a tanking warrior if you won it with poitons you'd have won it without`
`05:02.07`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`well, if i'm tanking i -can't- potion`
`05:02.10`	`Nom-`	`<--- Tanking Paladin`
`05:02.17`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i'm a drood :p`
`05:02.30`	`Nom-`	`It's that pick Romulo that's the roblem`
`05:02.32`	`Nom-`	`*problem`
`05:02.36`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`no healthstones or potions for me`
`05:02.37`	`Nom-`	`Blew 200g trying to kill him`
`05:03.39`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i wish i could though, be nice to be able to restore my health while tanking by a decent amount`
`05:04.21`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`can't tell you how many times a potion could have saved a run :x`
`05:04.29`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`as a tank that is`
`05:04.40`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`otherwise, meh, they're a crutch`
`05:09.00`	`Nom-`	`hmmmmm`
`05:09.09`	`Nom-`	`WoWHead's ore node thing is freakin awesome`
`05:09.18`	`Nom-`	`tries to work out how the data is being imported`
`05:11.31`	`Nom-`	`as far as I can tell it's not maknig an ajax call :/`
`05:15.14`	`Nom-`	`ahah!`
`05:15.19`	`Nom-`	`evil javascript embedded strings`
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`05:17.56`	`Tierrie`	`ColorPickerFrame has a cancFunc but is there a corresponding okFunc?`
`05:20.42`	`Tierrie`	`whoo hoo "C Stack Overflow"`
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`05:24.24`	`WobWork`	`^^`
`05:24.30`	`WobWork`	`I <3 the Bulwer-Lytton contest`
`05:24.39`	`WobWork`	`I keep getting urges to use the entries as starters for stories`
`05:24.53`	`WobWork`	`http://www.sjsu.edu/depts/english/2006.htm`
`05:27.11`	`WobWork`	`"Despite the vast differences it their ages, ethnicity, and religious upbringing, the sexual chemistry between Roberto and Heather was the most amazing he had ever experienced; and for the entirety of the Labor Day weekend they had sex like monkeys on espresso, not those monkeys in the zoo that fling their feces at you, but more like the monkeys in the wild that have those giant red butts, and access to an espresso machine."`
`05:39.09`	`Mike-N-Go`	`Is there a Grand Master Fisherman?`
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`06:01.02`	`Cairenn`	`night all`
`06:05.15`	`Corrodias`	`any (official) news on 2.1?`
`06:05.21`	`*** part/#wowi-lounge WobWork (n=WobWork@202-129-81-206.perm.iinet.net.au)`
`06:09.07`	`Nom-`	`grrr`
`06:09.15`	`Nom-`	`gotta generate a WoL packet for my new computer lol`
`06:10.32`	`Nom-`	`aww damnit`
`06:10.41`	`Nom-`	`It's not asleep, it's the Windows firewall`
`06:10.56`	`Nom-`	`Anyone got a same saved data from the gatherer functions in Cartographer`
`06:10.59`	`Nom-`	`?`
`06:11.13`	`Nom-`	`Try again, in English.`
`06:11.25`	`Nom-`	`Does anyone have a saved data file from the gatherer functions in Cartographer ?`
`06:12.08`	`Corrodias`	`those "possibly fake" patch notes have a lot of changes that are planned in them, as well as stuff i haven't heard of`
`06:12.23`	`Nom-`	`link Corrodias ?`
`06:12.34`	`Corrodias`	`haha, "This looks like a list of fixes to common bugs and buffs that many classes have been asking for, so I'm calling fake."`
`06:12.47`	`Corrodias`	`http://elitistjerks.com/showthread.php?t=10364 -- and yes, there are a few things that give it away, but it's very well written`
`06:15.16`	`Nom-`	`Weapons with uncontrollable procs (e.g. stun) will no longer trigger diminishing returns in PvP.`
`06:15.20`	`Nom-`	`hahah yeah right`
`06:15.36`	`Nom-`	`I got pwned by that the other day actually`
`06:15.46`	`Corrodias`	`i'm not even sure they do now. i haven't seen weapon procs myself, being a druid`
`06:15.58`	`Nom-`	`Turn on the seal which "occasionally" stuns, and the player is immune to stun within a few seconds`
`06:16.13`	`Corrodias`	`ah`
`06:16.15`	`Nom-`	`Nothing worse than using that, and then finding your Hammer of GG is useless`
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`06:16.30`	`Corrodias`	`god i hate paladins`
`06:16.32`	`Thrae`	`Note to self: In endless WSG, farm on D, then /afk out if you don't have 3 hours to spare`
`06:17.05`	`Nom-`	`Guards now give directions to more locations than before (e.g. reagent vendors, faction leaders, nearest repair NPCs etc.)`
`06:17.11`	`Nom-`	`That would be cool if they put that in the real patch`
`06:17.26`	`Thrae`	`Nom-: I can see it now...`
`06:17.29`	`Corrodias`	`god that would kick ass`
`06:17.41`	`Nom-`	`Mind you, i've now learnt where the repair guy is in Shattrath`
`06:17.43`	`Corrodias`	`"holy shit, guys, i actually found some reagents!"`
`06:17.48`	`Nom-`	`So, too little too late`
`06:18.38`	`Thrae`	`Stormwind Guard crits Moocow for 234 damage Moocow clicks on Stormwind Guard Stormwind Guard: "Hi, can I help you?" Moocow clicks on Faction Leaders Stormwind Guard hits Moocow for 123 damage`
`06:19.23`	`Nom-`	`.Frenzied Regeneration. now converts 20 points of rage into 10% of total health per second for 5 sec. <-- fake!`
`06:19.52`	`Corrodias`	`that's not even written in a manner that i can understand what it means`
`06:20.08`	`Corrodias`	`oh yeah, i missed a word`
`06:20.29`	`Nom-`	`That's just a tad overpowered, if it was real`
`06:20.31`	`Thrae`	`I think Frenzied Regen gives 100 health (10 health per 1 rage)`
`06:20.33`	`Nom-`	`That's 50% of a bear regen in 5 seconds`
`06:20.59`	`Thrae`	`I could use that in WSG :D`
`06:21.01`	`Corrodias`	`well, it uses up all your rage`
`06:21.08`	`Nom-`	`Yeah`
`06:21.13`	`Corrodias`	`and you have to have 100 rage over 5 seconds to get full regen if that's true`
`06:21.17`	`Nom-`	`But it's only draining 100 rage`
`06:21.27`	`Corrodias`	`100 is "all" you can have`
`06:21.29`	`Nom-`	`In 5 seconds, a bear would get back another 30 easy`
`06:21.41`	`Nom-`	`Rage on feral druids is insane`
`06:21.58`	`Thrae`	`Right now, if you have 100 rage, Frenzied Regen converts that into ~1000 health`
`06:22.14`	`Thrae`	`A little scaling wouldn't hurt`
`06:22.23`	`Thrae`	`Frenzied Regen used to be able to crit, but they removed that`
`06:22.39`	`Corrodias`	`yeah... what that one guy said was too accurate`
`06:22.44`	`Nom-`	`10 rage = 25 health atm`
`06:22.44`	`Corrodias`	`this looks way too balancing to be true`
`06:22.54`	`Nom-`	`but 10% is a bit insane`
`06:23.28`	`Thrae`	`Is it 25? So 2500...still like 25% of a good Feral Druid's health in Bear`
`06:23.29`	`Corrodias`	`"Booty Bay is now flagged as outdoors."`
`06:23.37`	`Corrodias`	`fat chance in hell of that ever happening`
`06:24.45`	`Corrodias`	`this document was written to give everyone hope that nagging bugs were fixed and class issues were addressed`
`06:24.46`	`Nom-`	`Less than 25%`
`06:24.52`	`Nom-`	`But 50% regen in 5 seconds is insane`
`06:25.10`	`Nom-`	`For a bear with 15k hitpoints, that's 7500 health`
`06:25.25`	`Corrodias`	`and ... pretty much everything a paladin can do -isn't- insane?`
`06:25.57`	`Nom-`	`Of course not...a paladin can't self-heal 1500dps without dropping aggro`
`06:26.13`	`Nom-`	`LoH doesn't count :P`
`06:27.03`	`Thrae`	`We're talking PvP here`
`06:27.22`	`Corrodias`	`making yourself and others immune to damage for ... how long is it?`
`06:27.29`	`Nom-`	`12 seconds`
`06:27.32`	`Thrae`	`In PvE, it can be hard for Bears to generate enough Rage to hold aggro AND use it all up on Frenzied Regen`
`06:27.46`	`Nom-`	`Thrae: Trie tanking Moroes :P`
`06:27.50`	`Nom-`	`*Try`
`06:27.59`	`Thrae`	`I said "hard" ;)(`
`06:28.03`	`Corrodias`	`GOD i hate paladins`
`06:28.12`	`Nom-`	`LOL`
`06:28.18`	`Nom-`	`Now they're on both sides of the fense, Corrodias`
`06:28.29`	`Nom-`	`I suppose 3 minute cooldown would make that talent balanced enough`
`06:28.31`	`Corrodias`	`you'd think so, wouldn't you?`
`06:28.38`	`Nom-`	`just looked at the cooldowns`
`06:28.47`	`Corrodias`	`but amazingly, there aren't suddenly as many level 70 paladins on the horde side as there are on the alliance side`
`06:29.03`	`Nom-`	`Indeed.`
`06:29.16`	`Nom-`	`The Horde are starting to get used to Paladins now`
`06:29.25`	`Nom-`	`They no longer see them as Shamans with crap dps :)`
`06:29.36`	`Corrodias`	`i've never seen them that way`
`06:29.57`	`Nom-`	`Buffing and Tanking is what i'm best at right now in my spec`
`06:29.59`	`Corrodias`	`as a druid, i can tell you that a paladin is a reinforced bunker that shoots out healing rays. and has crap dps.`
`06:30.16`	`Nom-`	`Yeah, that's coz you're a druid`
`06:30.39`	`Corrodias`	`i think anybody would agree with me, except maybe a rogue who can stunlock them`
`06:30.39`	`Nom-`	`A mobile dps platform that scratches plate hard enough to hurt and can run away to heal`
`06:30.57`	`Corrodias`	`oh boy, i can "hurt"`
`06:31.15`	`Nom-`	`The bleeds actually hurt`
`06:31.16`	`Corrodias`	`my mana lasts just long enough for one heal, and i have to be out of danger to do it`
`06:31.34`	`Nom-`	`Druid vs Paladin is a battle of the mana pool`
`06:31.38`	`Corrodias`	`paladins can pop a 12 second immunity to everything at any time, removing all magical dots and bleed effects`
`06:31.39`	`Nom-`	`and Druids have a BIG advantage there`
`06:31.45`	`Thrae`	`Druid with Mangle and Maim should not be easy to a Pally`
`06:31.48`	`Corrodias`	`it is a mana fight only if it's a balance/restoration druid`
`06:32.02`	`Nom-`	`No, feral too Corrodias`
`06:32.19`	`Nom-`	`A good druid can run in, kitty scratch forcing the Pally to respond`
`06:32.23`	`Corrodias`	`Thrae: pounce, mangle, mangle, maim, wait... shred // BUBBLE HEAL NEGATE EVERYTHING YOU JUST DID`
`06:32.29`	`Nom-`	`and?`
`06:32.31`	`Nom-`	`It cost you nothing`
`06:32.40`	`Nom-`	`That bubble has a 3 minute cooldown`
`06:32.48`	`Nom-`	`sorry 4 minute, 5 untalented`
`06:33.04`	`Corrodias`	`it costs you the 5-second stun, the element of surprise, and a full energy bar`
`06:33.06`	`Corrodias`	`*me`
`06:33.38`	`Corrodias`	`it's not only that`
`06:33.48`	`Nom-`	`And it costs the paladin the 5 minute cooldown, 2k+ mana and even more to start fighting back`
`06:34.02`	`Corrodias`	`if that was all there was to it, there wouldn't be much of a problem. it would just be a matter of wearing him down.`
`06:34.19`	`Corrodias`	`but when there are other people involved, whom he's healing and bubbling as well, it really ruins my day.`
`06:34.29`	`Nom-`	`all you have to do is keep yourself above 20% hitpoints`
`06:34.32`	`Nom-`	`And it's GG Pally`
`06:34.45`	`Thrae`	`Yeah, damn it Druids should so own 2v1 ;)`
`06:34.54`	`Corrodias`	`if i had a balance/restoration spec that would be an option`
`06:34.59`	`Corrodias`	`i beat a paladin once that way`
`06:35.13`	`Nom-`	`Once any player hits 20% hitpoints vs a pally, they'll hammer of gg nuke combo`
`06:35.20`	`Corrodias`	`he may have been bad at his job, though, because i don't think he ever stunned me`
`06:35.54`	`Nom-`	`Stun, some kind of judgement, hammer of wrath, consecrate`
`06:36.01`	`Nom-`	`finishes most players off from 20% hitpoints`
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`06:36.04`	`Thrae`	`I beat Paladins all the time, it's easy to mess them up when you stack a ton of bleeds. In BGs, the Pally never knows who's around the corner, so they try to save their Bubble`
`06:36.07`	`Corrodias`	`druid, warrior, mage, priest, etc are all mixes of survivability and dps/healing in pvp`
`06:36.34`	`Corrodias`	`the paladin seems focused on survivability`
`06:36.52`	`Corrodias`	`i only have one bleed effect, Thrae, which requires combo points. what are you, a rogue?`
`06:36.55`	`Nom-`	`That's right...Paladin can last longer than any class in PvP and PvE`
`06:37.02`	`Nom-`	`But can't do very good dps`
`06:37.18`	`Thrae`	`Corrodias: Uhh, Rake is a bleed, as is the opening Pounce`
`06:37.24`	`Nom-`	`The thing that gimps paladins, is ALL the DPS requires mana`
`06:37.33`	`batrick`	`Anybody have any idea why this would give an error "attempt to index global 'SC_PARTY_POLY_DEFAULT' (a nil value)... the global exists, I'm able to use it in a /script`
`06:37.33`	`Thrae`	`On high-armoured opponents, I always throw in a Rake`
`06:37.34`	`batrick`	`local SC_defaultPolyWhisper = { [1] = {SC_WHISPER_POLY_DEFAULT, 100} };`
`06:37.47`	`Corrodias`	`rake? hm, i need to review`
`06:37.49`	`Nom-`	`Thrae: As you should`
`06:38.02`	`Nom-`	`And a Fairy Fire doesn't hurt`
`06:38.06`	`Nom-`	`(Intentionally misspelt)`
`06:38.25`	`Thrae`	`Corrodias: Rake benefits from the Mangle bonus of course, and doesn't interrupt Maim`
`06:38.38`	`Thrae`	`It also does a tiny bit of upfront damage, and can crit for extra combo points`
`06:38.44`	`Corrodias`	`as i understand damage mitigation, faerie fire doesn't help more against plate wearers than it does against cloth wearers`
`06:39.28`	`Corrodias`	`ah, rake, i do have that assigned to a key somewhere...`
`06:39.29`	`Nom-`	`Mangle + Rake seems like a good combo`
`06:40.08`	`Nom-`	`Druid vs Paladin is actually a pretty even fight...it could go either way`
`06:40.16`	`Corrodias`	`eventually`
`06:40.23`	`Nom-`	`My favourite fight so far is Paladin vs Rogue`
`06:40.34`	`Corrodias`	`keep in mind that a druid can't heal himself in a feral form`
`06:40.35`	`Nom-`	`I was protection spec, he was dagger spec`
`06:40.40`	`Nom-`	`That realy hurt him bad lol`
`06:40.56`	`Corrodias`	`i'm afraid i don't know what those specs mean for those classes`
`06:41.02`	`Nom-`	`I also had blessing of sanctuary up...that just about kills them`
`06:41.15`	`Nom-`	`Ok dagger spec is all about high attack speed and crits`
`06:41.29`	`Nom-`	`protection spec on a paladin with blessing of sanctuary means every attack blocked causes damage`
`06:41.52`	`Nom-`	`vs a class who has 70%+ shield block on, that's nasty`
`06:42.03`	`Corrodias`	`70% block?`
`06:42.18`	`Nom-`	`15% base, 30% procced, 30% a casted spell`
`06:42.36`	`Corrodias`	`what do you mean by 30% procced?`
`06:42.44`	`Nom-`	`Redoubt`
`06:42.53`	`Corrodias`	`that doesn't mean anything to me`
`06:42.59`	`Nom-`	`10% chance on hit to proc redoubt which increases block by 30%`
`06:43.10`	`Nom-`	`so vs fast hitting players, it procs very early on`
`06:43.21`	`Corrodias`	`i don't suppose shields only block a small amount of damage?`
`06:43.33`	`Nom-`	`It's not the incoming damage reduction, it's the thorns damage`
`06:43.40`	`Nom-`	`every attack blocked does damage back to the attacker`
`06:43.59`	`Thrae`	`Corrodias: Cat Spam: /castrandom Faerie Fire (Feral)(), Faerie Fire (Feral)(), Mangle (Cat)(), Mangle (Cat)(), Mangle (Cat)(), Mangle (Cat)(), Rake`
`06:43.59`	`Corrodias`	`i still want to know`
`06:44.20`	`Nom-`	`ttp://www.thottbot.com/s27169`
`06:44.26`	`Nom-`	`http://www.thottbot.com/s27169`
`06:44.51`	`Thrae`	`Bear Spam: /cast Maul <return> /castrandom Faerie Fire (Feral)(), Mangle (Bear)(), Mangle (Bear)(), Enrage`
`06:44.59`	`Corrodias`	`so -80 plus whatever a shield blocks, which you still haven't told me...`
`06:45.13`	`Nom-`	`http://www.thottbot.com/s20134`
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`06:45.32`	`Nom-`	`shield...mine blocks about 100 damage`
`06:45.38`	`Nom-`	`it depends on gear and stats`
`06:45.44`	`Thrae`	`I find macros to work VERY well`
`06:45.51`	`Thrae`	`s/find macros/find both macros/`
`06:47.48`	`Thrae`	`This is also a good PvP one I finally figured out: /cast [button:2] Hibernate; [button:3] Soothe Animal; [outdoors] Entangling Roots; Hibernate`
`06:48.17`	`Corrodias`	`i take it you click your buttons?`
`06:48.27`	`Thrae`	`Took me some digging to find out that [button:1] is the same as hitting the keybind itself`
`06:48.43`	`Thrae`	`No, I don't, but I also don't use Hibernate or Soothe Animal that much`
`06:49.12`	`Nom-`	`so yeah...does anyone have a saved data file for Cartographer i can have a look at? Need to work out how to build a database which I can import :)`
`06:50.03`	`Thrae`	`Corrodias: Try out the macros ;)`
`06:50.25`	`Corrodias`	`i don't want macros to choose for me`
`06:50.53`	`Thrae`	`Corrodias: The new Macro System for 2.0 is suppose to be fair >.<`
`06:51.22`	`Corrodias`	`i'm sure it is, but i'd rather press 2 then 3 and know what's going to happen. personal taste.`
`06:51.35`	`Nom-`	`Macro's make things so much easier`
`06:51.50`	`Nom-`	`I have one for mounting up, and I use [target=focus] macros a bit now`
`06:51.53`	`Corrodias`	`i have several, but they do specific things according ot situation`
`06:52.21`	`Thrae`	`Well in the case of the Cat one, you'd have to press 3 different keybinds, then a 4th for Rip or Ferocious Bite when needed`
`06:52.56`	`Nom-`	`For me, i'd probably go something like`
`06:53.01`	`Corrodias`	`yes, i do use several action bar slots`
`06:53.01`	`Thrae`	`Personally, my fingers can't switch that quickly`
`06:53.10`	`Thrae`	`You click your buttons?`
`06:53.35`	`Corrodias`	`for your apparent preferred combo of faerie fire, mangle, and rake, i think it would be control+Q, 2, alt+3 or something... i don't use rake very much`
`06:53.39`	`Nom-`	`<PROTECTED>`
`06:53.46`	`Nom-`	`That way you can decide when to do the finishing move`
`06:53.54`	`Nom-`	`*modifier`
`06:53.57`	`Corrodias`	`i might move Rake to another key, alt+2 perhaps`
`06:54.19`	`Thrae`	`I wouldn't be able to pull off my combos as quick as the macro can complete them`
`06:54.31`	`Thrae`	`But I am sure there are plenty of people out there who could`
`06:54.40`	`Corrodias`	`ah. well, i'm glad you've found something to do what you want, then.`
`06:54.51`	`Thrae`	`Macros are also a balancing feature`
`06:54.58`	`Thrae`	`For instance, my hands have a bit of the steady termor`
`06:55.04`	`Thrae`	`s/termor/tremor/`
`06:55.15`	`Corrodias`	`isn't that an oxymoron?`
`06:55.30`	`Thrae`	`Heh`
`06:56.19`	`Thrae`	`It's a commonly used term in medicine to describe when someone's hands shake when the person is not making them move`
`06:57.04`	`Corrodias`	`oh, that's not cool`
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`06:57.22`	`Thrae`	`If you want to be grammatically refined, "steady" is a state of mind, not a state of being`
`06:57.41`	`Thrae`	`Wait, I'm wrong`
`06:57.48`	`Thrae`	`Steady can be applied to objects`
`06:58.11`	`Corrodias`	`ah, well. good night.`
`06:58.42`	`Nom-`	`bleh wtb database format for Cartographer :(`
`07:01.01`	`ZOAS`	`is it not on the wiki page?`
`07:02.08`	`Corrodias`	`rake just looks so weak...`
`07:02.53`	`Nom-`	`Well, I doubt that many people have written a cartographer database from scratch :)`
`07:06.12`	`Corrodias`	`with my attack power it apparently does 300 damage over 9 seconds. maybe it's more with mangle on...`
`07:06.37`	`Nom-`	`How much AP do you have`
`07:06.43`	`Nom-`	`That seems rather low`
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`07:07.02`	`Corrodias`	`375, plus the ~165 from the initial attack is around 540`
`07:07.19`	`Corrodias`	`1605`
`07:07.37`	`Corrodias`	`oh, i'm missing items`
`07:07.52`	`Nom-`	`But that stacks too?`
`07:07.52`	`Corrodias`	`1806, let's try that again`
`07:08.23`	`Corrodias`	`173 + 3x130`
`07:08.58`	`Corrodias`	`rake doesn't stack; neither does rip`
`07:09.07`	`Corrodias`	`repplying it just resets the timer`
`07:09.33`	`Corrodias`	`i suppose that's more damage than i'd get from a non-crit mangle on a heavily armored opponent`
`07:12.00`	`Corrodias`	`why is it that alliance players try to communicate in shatt with /yells?`
`07:12.33`	`Nom-`	`Because they're all 12 year olds?`
`07:12.55`	`Corrodias`	`and male night elves are uglier than male orcs`
`07:13.00`	`Corrodias`	`fact`
`07:13.18`	`Nom-`	`And female gnomes are hawt`
`07:13.19`	`Nom-`	`fact`
`07:14.14`	`Corrodias`	`a little`
`07:14.31`	`Corrodias`	`i'm more for draenei, with their hooves and tails`
`07:15.02`	`Nom-`	`Really? I thought you'd be more of a Tauren person.`
`07:15.06`	`Nom-`	`HERE'S THE BEEF`
`07:15.12`	`Nom-`	`LOL`
`07:15.16`	`Nom-`	`They have the funniest emotes of all`
`07:15.31`	`Corrodias`	`i joined the aldor for a reason :d`
`07:15.43`	`Nom-`	`lewtz ?`
`07:15.52`	`Corrodias`	`wimminz`
`07:16.57`	`Nom-`	`bleh i can't find a Cartographer database anywhere`
`07:17.02`	`Nom-`	`I might have to wait to start farming data`
`07:17.53`	`Corrodias`	`i don't have mine track resource nodes, sorry`
`07:21.00`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Nom - of notes, or resource stuff?`
`07:21.26`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`There's complete listings of herbs and minerals on the wowace.com forums in the cartographer subsection on Cartographer Herbalism/Mining sharing thread`
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`07:31.43`	`Nom-`	`frown`
`07:31.56`	`Nom-`	`You do realise I just spent an hour writing a script to harvest the information`
`07:32.05`	`Nom-`	`But thanks, ZealotOnAStick`
`07:32.06`	`Nom-`	`:)`
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`07:36.13`	`Nom-`	`hmmm`
`07:36.25`	`Nom-`	`what's the key format for the carographer databases?`
`07:36.36`	`Nom-`	`50209250 doesn't look like any kind of sane cooridnate`
`07:38.29`	`Nom-`	`bleh doesn't matter, i'll just use the premade database`
`07:38.30`	`Nom-`	`shrug`
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`07:41.43`	`Nom-`	`LOLhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyLqUf4cdwc`
`07:41.45`	`Nom-`	`LOL @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyLqUf4cdwc`
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`07:54.31`	`Nom-`	`Personally, I think Vista did really well in that video`
`07:54.47`	`Nom-`	`There's a lesson to be learnt however...`
`07:54.59`	`Nom-`	`Don't try to right code using Voice recognition (what a nug)`
`07:55.03`	`Nom-`	`*nub`
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`09:36.14`	`Der_Tod`	`Hi there`
`09:37.22`	`Der_Tod`	`I have a question about a "basic" addon I am tryin to build , is this the correct place to ask?`
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`10:17.03`	`wereHamster`	`if I have a frame, its parent is hidden, I do :Show(); :SetParent(UIParent), is the frame now supposed to be visible?`
`10:17.16`	`wereHamster`	`:Show() on the frame, not the parent`
`10:21.56`	`wereHamster`	`I have frame:IsShown()=1, frame:IsVisible()=nil, frame:GetParent():IsShown()=1, frame:GetParent():IsVisible()=1`
`10:23.59`	`wereHamster`	`if I do frame:Show() the frame becomes visible .. is that how it's supposed to work?`
`10:29.23`	`nevcairiel`	`if thats how it works, i guess thats how its supposed to work :)`
`10:30.58`	`wereHamster`	`all parents are visible and shown, and the frame itself is also :IsShown(), yet, I have to call :Show() to make it visible`
`10:31.54`	`nevcairiel`	`i guess it does not show frames on parent changing`
`10:33.22`	`wereHamster`	`hm.. that would explain this behaviour`
`10:43.31`	`wereHamster`	`is the UI code executed asynchronously? I see the farnme changing position (a short flash) if I do :Show() and then :SetPoint(), if I first :SetPoint() and then :Show() it doesn't happen`
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`15:12.45`	`cogwheel\|work`	`~emulate cogwheel`
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`15:40.45`	`purl`	`"lart" is "Luser Attitude Re-adjustment Tool"`
`15:41.05`	`JoshBorke`	`they forgot a f`
`15:41.11`	`cogwheel\|work`	`yep`
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`17:05.10`	`cogwheel\|work`	`I think they could've worded this definition of baleen a bit differently: (noun) A horny material from the upper jaws of certain whales; used as the ribs of fans or as stays in corsets.`
`17:05.54`	`JoshBorke`	`seems fine to me :-P`
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`17:08.22`	`Mortius`	`Anyone around who knows anything about PlayerModel and how to get it to work right?`
`17:09.23`	`Kaso`	`Im reading the thread about these fake patch notes, am im amazed how many people dont know that the gem subsection is part of auctioneer;`
`17:09.45`	`Kaso`	`perhaps thats teh true sign of ubiquity, when people think your feature is default`
`17:09.46`	`zenzelezz`	`how should we know?`
`17:10.28`	`zenzelezz`	`it's not marked any differently than the standard subcategories`
`17:10.58`	`Kaso`	`Well, i think i know everything every one of my addons does, it seems odd to me to not know`
`17:11.18`	`zenzelezz`	`don't believe the average user does`
`17:11.30`	`Kaso`	`true, maybe thats something to do with my cumpulsive patch note reading :>`
`17:11.46`	`zenzelezz`	`which patch notes?`
`17:11.50`	`Kaso`	`any patch notes`
`17:12.00`	`Kaso`	`wow patch notes, fake patch notes, addon patch notes`
`17:12.08`	`Kaso`	`just love those patch notes!`
`17:12.25`	`zenzelezz`	`I only read what's changed since the last version of an addon I use, I don't dig through the old notes`
`17:13.04`	`zenzelezz`	`sometimes I don't even bother with that, like when waiting for 2.0 compatible stuff`
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`17:24.00`	`subbawt`	`apparently once an item has been missing for more than 24 hours, they will no longer restore it`
`17:24.09`	`Kaso`	`lies`
`17:24.13`	`Kaso`	`get a new GM`
`17:24.36`	`Kaso`	`seriously every GM will give you a different anwser about stuff like that`
`17:24.43`	`Kaso`	`just keep petitioning till you get a good one`
`17:25.31`	`subbawt`	`i'll petition again tomorrow`
`17:25.36`	`subbawt`	`and say i accidently deleted them yesterday`
`17:25.50`	`Kaso`	`dont lie about when you deleted`
`17:25.56`	`Kaso`	`they can check and they dont like lying`
`17:25.56`	`nevcairiel`	`yeah they can track that`
`17:26.09`	`subbawt`	`i don't remember when i deleted them :\`
`17:26.14`	`Kaso`	`say that then`
`17:26.48`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`<Kaso> just keep petitioning till you get a good one`
`17:26.58`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`problem with this is they see your ticket history`
`17:27.28`	`Kaso`	`I didnt know that`
`17:27.33`	`subbawt`	`I guess my shattrath jumpers are forever lost :(`
`17:27.36`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`but i got an item restored that i deleted almost 2 years ago`
`17:27.41`	`Kaso`	`but ive found in the past second GMs have helped me`
`17:27.46`	`zenzelezz`	`Shattrath jumpers?`
`17:27.49`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`yeah it's worth a try`
`17:28.20`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`they're really not all that great are they, subbawt?`
`17:28.28`	`subbawt`	`they're surprisingly good`
`17:28.52`	`subbawt`	`if you invest in some decent gems for them`
`17:28.58`	`Kaso`	`bare in mind you have a set number of item restores`
`17:29.11`	`Kaso`	`or at least losely set`
`17:29.22`	`subbawt`	`aye`
`17:29.40`	`zenzelezz`	`thought it was 1 per charcter or something`
`17:31.06`	`subbawt`	`im just going for straight +damage`
`17:31.07`	`Kaso`	`i dont think its strictly defined number, but just a general "not too many"`
`17:31.07`	`Kaso`	`im no expert though`
`17:31.07`	`subbawt`	`compare http://www.thottbot.com/i28179 to http://www.thottbot.com/i29242, and then add an additional +18 damage to shattrath jumpers`
`17:31.07`	`subbawt`	`from gems`
`17:36.16`	`JoshBorke`	`except you're losing on stam and int`
`17:36.52`	`subbawt`	`or maybe a more valid comparison http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28179 vs http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28517`
`17:37.45`	`subbawt`	`2 stam and 3 int gain on the epic for a 6 spell damage loss`
`17:38.22`	`Kaso`	`kara loot really sucks`
`17:42.42`	`nymbia`	`yeah i'm wearing the slave pens ones`
`17:43.10`	`nymbia`	`and i think i have those maiden ones sitting in the bank with no gems in em`
`17:45.34`	`zenzelezz`	`actually, there are some very good Karazhan items... but far from enough`
`17:45.44`	`zenzelezz`	`my favorite isn't even boss loot, but trash x.x`
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`18:37.10`	`Fumler`	`is there any ace enemy castbar?`
`18:37.38`	`JoshBorke`	`i just use ECB`
`18:37.49`	`JoshBorke`	`there's also CBRipoff`
`18:37.57`	`Fumler`	`which shows my enemies castingbar?`
`18:38.03`	`haste`	`CBRipoff doesn't have an enemy castbar afaik`
`18:38.11`	`JoshBorke`	`oh, well then NVM`
`18:38.18`	`haste`	`and ECB was cleaned up with the 2.0 release`
`18:38.21`	`Fumler`	`oCB ftw, there is no other ;)))`
`18:38.27`	`haste`	`or it said so at least`
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`18:38.57`	`JoshBorke`	`works fine for me`
`18:39.21`	`haste`	`a lot of add-ons 'work' :)`
`18:39.23`	`Xonaet`	`anyone here, using cartographer: trainer? i'm having an issue i'm hoping i can find out of i'm the only one or not`
`18:39.54`	`JoshBorke`	`haste: yea? and :-P`
`18:40.06`	`haste`	`nothing more :p`
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`18:45.39`	`Fumler`	`natur enemy castbar shows every enemy, I just want my current target`
`18:46.20`	`cogwheel\|work`	`eCB & the default UI both have target cast bars...`
`18:48.12`	`Fumler`	`well can i disable ecb for myself?`
`18:48.20`	`Fumler`	`because I just need the enemy one`
`18:48.21`	`cogwheel\|work`	`of course`
`18:48.33`	`Fumler`	`got ocb and it looks much better`
`18:49.07`	`cogwheel\|work`	`so why were you asking then? :P`
`18:49.18`	`Fumler`	`ocb dosnt have enemy castbar -.-`
`18:49.19`	`JoshBorke`	`have you tried ecb?`
`18:49.53`	`subbawt`	`No one would heal the tank for vanndar in my av, so i put the tank in the group with all the shadow priests, and we killed him :)`
`18:49.54`	`Fumler`	`nooooo-.-`
`18:51.51`	`JoshBorke`	`ecb is pretty too`
`18:52.00`	`JoshBorke`	`you can make ecb look exactly like ocb`
`18:52.20`	`cogwheel\|work`	`Forgive me for being flippant, but three people have recommended it, you've never used it, but you're acting unwilling to try it?`
`18:52.54`	`JoshBorke`	`you're not forgivven`
`18:53.32`	`cogwheel\|work`	`I don't really care if you forgive me...`
`18:53.32`	`cogwheel\|work`	`><`
`18:53.37`	`JoshBorke`	`:-P`
`18:56.27`	`JoshBorke`	`i'm so hurt`
`19:03.45`	`Cide`	`Fumler: let me ask.. does it have to be ace? (someone had to do it)`
`19:04.08`	`Fumler`	`no, downloaded natur thiny`
`19:04.10`	`Fumler`	`thingy`
`19:04.18`	`Cide`	`good boy`
`19:04.30`	`subbawt`	`if you use AG Unit Frames you can see the enemy casting bar in their unit frame`
`19:04.51`	`cogwheel\|work`	`Cide: i was probing that with my question and would've let loose if he said 'cause it's not aced :P`
`19:05.17`	`JoshBorke`	`natur is a lot larger than ecb`
`19:05.31`	`Cide`	`JoshBorke: it's not aced, what do you think? ;)`
`19:05.36`	`JoshBorke`	`neither is ecb :-P`
`19:05.45`	`Cide`	`oh. well.. erm..............`
`19:12.57`	`Fumler`	`it has my texture aswell \o/`
`19:20.06`	`JoshBorke`	`sounds like it's perfect for you`
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`19:30.38`	`Fumler`	`JoshBorke yes.`
`19:30.40`	`Fumler`	`^^`
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`19:41.11`	`cogwheel\|work`	`~emulate cogwheel`
`19:41.12`	`purl`	`ACTION shakes its fist at the forums... http://ctscreens.net/5307`
`19:41.44`	`cogwheel\|work`	`their scheduled forum maintenance sure did them a lot of good... Seems to go down completely every few hours now`
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`19:54.51`	`abug2`	`http://ircatwork.com/ ftw`
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`20:55.44`	`YammYgirlcoding`	`hello everyone! \o/`
`20:55.57`	`zenzelezz`	`ahoy`
`20:56.02`	`TC_Working`	`hey YammYgirlcoding`
`20:56.12`	`YammYgirlcoding`	`How long does it take for a mod upload on wowinterface site to get accepted ?`
`20:56.24`	`zenzelezz`	`usually pretty quick I'm told`
`20:56.34`	`YammYgirlcoding`	`I just uploaded my tiny one :)`
`20:56.46`	`zenzelezz`	`:)`
`20:56.56`	`YammYgirlcoding`	`so for whoever that uses Advanced TradeSkill Window, I have a plugin for it for the hard crafters ;)`
`20:57.18`	`YammYgirlcoding`	`online soon =^^=`
`20:57.34`	`TC_Working`	`Cairenn, does most of the accepting i belive`
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`21:19.23`	`Shirik`	`rofl.... 1719ms ping`
`21:19.24`	`Shirik`	`fun times`
`21:29.58`	`JoshBorke`	`is there a logical equivalent to ((A AND B) OR B)?`
`21:31.06`	`cogwheel\|work`	`what are you trying to accomplish?`
`21:31.07`	`Cide`	`(A AND B) OR B == B`
`21:31.27`	`Cide`	`actually, not quite`
`21:31.39`	`Cide`	`(A and B) or B == (A or B)`
`21:33.10`	`batrick`	`not quite cide`
`21:33.18`	`batrick`	`test a = true, and b = false`
`21:33.31`	`batrick`	`there is no reduction for that boolean expression`
`21:35.03`	`Cide`	`>>> ((true and false) or false) == (true or false)`
`21:35.04`	`Cide`	`Cide: false`
`21:35.04`	`Cide`	`yeah, true`
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`21:36.54`	`decdev`	`good afternoon all`
`21:40.55`	`Guillotine`	`afternoon :)`
`21:41.12`	`decdev`	`im still working on getting tool tip data from some info I found in wowwiki... this:SetOwner(this, "ANCHOR_NONE"); onload it says can't set owner to self. so it looks to me like something changed since that info was posted.. no?`
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`21:45.17`	`Karrion`	`decdev: yeah that changed in like 2.0.8`
`21:45.48`	`decdev`	`hmm...`
`21:45.50`	`Karrion`	`can't do this:SetOwner(this) anymore, have to change it to this:SetOwner(UIParent...`
`21:46.17`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`darnit the ptr needs to show up :x`
`21:47.53`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7ItgczOQhg`
`21:47.57`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`hahaha :O`
`21:50.23`	`Guillotine`	`haha, thats awesome`
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`21:50.39`	`Guillotine`	`trying to eat the bird ><`
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`21:50.54`	`Guillotine`	`probably not great for the monitor though`
`21:50.58`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i'd be afraid he'd take the claws out`
`21:51.03`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`and slash up my lcd`
`21:51.04`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`:[`
`21:51.31`	`Guillotine`	`just more proof that druids need to be buffed. feral kitties can't even take out a monitor :(`
`21:52.03`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`lies`
`21:52.19`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`my guilds feral druid is still better tank thne our prot warrior`
`21:52.24`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`whit his 16k armor`
`21:52.43`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`your warrior needs to get some better gear or you need to find another tank then :x`
`21:53.19`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`a druid in 16k armor is mitigating like a warrior in 9k or so`
`21:53.26`	`Lysistrata`	`Nerf the Druides and the warlocks!`
`21:53.28`	`Guillotine`	`our warr has 15k armor o.O`
`21:53.45`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i'm in 15k atm`
`21:53.56`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`need to find me a guild`
`21:54.21`	`Lysistrata`	`My current guild is more or less breaking apart again -.-"`
`21:54.30`	`Guillotine`	`druids can't get above 19k anymore. And their gear with high armor doesn't have any defense`
`21:55.13`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i mitigate worse than i did at 60 pre 2.0 :x`
`21:55.19`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`less effective hp too`
`21:55.39`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`and less damage/aggro too :x`
`21:55.53`	`Guillotine`	`warrior or bear?`
`21:56.33`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`bear`
`21:56.50`	`Guillotine`	`ah. ya, I'm not doing a whole lot better either`
`21:56.53`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`less effective HP and armor, less damage/aggro (directly)`
`21:57.02`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`not just effectively, directly`
`21:57.11`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i was hitting harder last november or so than i am now :x`
`21:57.14`	`Guillotine`	`and I was in the old blue pvp before and in good blus/kara epics now ><`
`21:57.21`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i had like`
`21:57.27`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`9.5k hp at 60 pre 2.0`
`21:57.31`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`now i have....11k`
`21:58.01`	`Guillotine`	`what feral gear did you have pre-TBC?`
`21:58.48`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`for tanking? some random blues, malfy's bulwark`
`21:58.58`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`shoulders from ST`
`21:59.08`	`Guillotine`	`my old guild sucked. They didn't even let me roll on Malfurion's Blessed Bulwark when it dropped :( Gave it to a rogue b/c I was healer -_-`
`21:59.13`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`wooooow`
`21:59.19`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i'd have /gquit on the spot`
`21:59.20`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`seriously`
`21:59.39`	`Guillotine`	`meh, I wasn't yet burnt out from healing yet`
`21:59.39`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`that chest is terrible for a rogue`
`21:59.42`	`Guillotine`	`yes`
`21:59.44`	`Lysistrata`	`Geeee my Guild never got into any instances till now that would be worth it xD just DM ...`
`22:00.07`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i was in two serious raiding guilds`
`22:00.19`	`Lysistrata`	`Level 58 and wearing Gnomeregan Pants rocksssss!`
`22:00.20`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`two or 3 that dabbled in mc and zg every now and then`
`22:00.29`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`haha, triprunner dungarees?`
`22:00.42`	`Guillotine`	`I had to convince my current guild that Zierhut's Lost Treads was horrible for a rogue to be able to roll on it. Luckly, I'm an officer, so I'm trying to help out hybrids forced to heal ><`
`22:00.57`	`Lysistrata`	`Yeha right Mr_Rabies2`
`22:00.59`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`guillo, that crap wouldn't fly for me`
`22:01.07`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`those pants are way overbudgeted, lys`
`22:01.15`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i wore them up until 50 or so`
`22:01.38`	`decdev`	`I guess Im also correct in assuming that SetInventorySlot is also dead?`
`22:01.53`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`http://www.wowhead.com/?item=10783 of stamina were my tanking shoulders`
`22:02.08`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`tanking parts of bwl and mc`
`22:02.12`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`in level 47 greens`
`22:02.13`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`haha`
`22:02.25`	`Lysistrata`	`Yeha anyway the other blue thing I'm wearing is a helmet from SM ... I think it tells a lot to be level 58 and just wear 2 blues ;)`
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`22:09.28`	`Lysistrata`	`decdev just look a few lines above it: (Description valid for patch 1.10) that was wa~y back so I guess that its dead too... yeha :/`
`22:09.45`	`decdev`	`ah ok, will take not of that`
`22:09.56`	`Lysistrata`	`I think there is some site which trakc schanges to the API but I cant remember its name -._""`
`22:09.56`	`decdev`	`thanks and sorry for asking redundent questions`
`22:10.03`	`Lysistrata`	`Its Ok dont worry`
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`22:10.22`	`Lysistrata`	`An I'm just "assuming" it I don't have any proof ;)`
`22:10.47`	`JoshBorke`	`wdn.wowinterface.com`
`22:13.11`	`Lysistrata`	`So it WAS wowinterface related xD I just couldnt find the link`
`22:14.56`	`decdev`	`its giving me the data I want, but it only works for the item my mouse is over`
`22:23.05`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`castlevania hits xbla this wednesday, yeehawwww`
`22:25.35`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`~sotn`
`22:25.37`	`purl`	`What is a man? A miserable little pile of secrets! But enough talk! Have at you! http://youtube.com/watch?v=c7E_in_uZnc`
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`22:33.53`	`Lej`	`what characters are allowed in functionnames?`
`22:34.15`	`Lej`	`or rather which are not?`
`22:36.31`	`cogwheel\|work`	`Lej: http://www.lua.org/pil/`
`22:37.03`	`cogwheel\|work`	`Specifically 1.3`
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`22:48.48`	`subbawt`	`Does anyone know of a viewport mod that doesn't do anything else?`
`22:49.12`	`subbawt`	`I don't really want any of the other functionality of skinner or anything like that.`
`22:50.55`	`Guillotine`	`Aperture is what I use`
`22:50.56`	`Cide`	`CT_Viewport`
`22:51.08`	`Lej`	`I was looking through OneBag's source and this line eludes me:`
`22:51.09`	`Lej`	`curCol = math.fmod(self.totalCount, cols) > 0 and cols - math.fmod(self.totalCount, cols) + 1 or 1`
`22:51.22`	`Lej`	`does it give curCol a logical or numerical value?`
`22:51.30`	`zenzelezz`	`color me clueless, but what does a viewport mod do? (more elaborate than "modify the viewport")`
`22:51.41`	`Cide`	`changes the WorldFrame's size`
`22:51.50`	`Cide`	`i.e. the rendered world's area on the screen`
`22:52.26`	`Cide`	`>>> return self = { totalCount = 5 }; cols = 3; return math.fmod(self.totalCount, cols) > 0 and cols - math.fmod(self.totalCount, cols) + 1 or 1`
`22:52.26`	`Cide`	`Cide: attempt to call a nil value`
`22:52.50`	`zenzelezz`	`so you could do a fake wide-screen if you so wished? (the letterbox part)`
`22:52.57`	`Cide`	`yes`
`22:52.57`	`Guillotine`	`Cide: you're returning right away`
`22:52.59`	`zenzelezz`	`aha`
`22:53.05`	`Cide`	`>>> self = { totalCount = 5 }; cols = 3; return math.fmod(self.totalCount, cols) > 0 and cols - math.fmod(self.totalCount, cols) + 1 or 1`
`22:53.05`	`Cide`	`Cide: 2`
`22:53.11`	`Cide`	`Guillotine: thanks :)`
`22:53.15`	`Cide`	`Lej: there's your answer`
`22:53.29`	`Guillotine`	`I DO have a widescrean and make it not so. Use the black space for all my info addons`
`22:53.32`	`Cide`	`that's pretty bad coding though`
`22:53.36`	`Lej`	`those ands and ors are confusing me`
`22:53.49`	`Cide`	`unnecessary obfuscation`
`22:54.48`	`Cide`	`if totalCount is not evenly divisible by cols then return the value of cols - self.totalCount%cols + 1, otherwise return 1`
`22:55.33`	`Cide`	`>>> self = { totalCount = 5 }; cols = 3; if ( self.totalCount % cols > 0 ) then return cols - self.totalCount % cols + 1; else return 1; end`
`22:55.33`	`Cide`	`Cide: 2`
`22:55.56`	`Cide`	`that should be the same but less obfuscated`
`22:56.39`	`Lej`	`I see`
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`22:59.04`	`cogwheel\|work`	`<Cide>unnecessary obfuscation I'd consider it a lua idiom that Lej should become familiar with, actually...`
`22:59.24`	`cogwheel\|work`	`it saves space in a lot of places, and like the ternary operator in C, is just something that people should know`
`22:59.45`	`Cide`	`I'd agree if there were a few parentheses in there`
`23:00.24`	`Cide`	`curCol = (math.fmod(self.totalCount, cols) > 0 and (cols - math.fmod(self.totalCount, cols) + 1)) or 1`
`23:00.25`	`Cide`	`maybe`
`23:00.25`	`cogwheel\|work`	`Lej: http://www.lua.org/pil/3.3.html`
`23:01.12`	`Lej`	`>>> i = 0; return i and 1`
`23:01.12`	`Cide`	`Lej: 1`
`23:01.45`	`Lej`	`>>> i = nil; return i and 1`
`23:01.45`	`Cide`	`Lej:`
`23:01.55`	`Guillotine`	`>>> i=5; return i and 1`
`23:01.55`	`Cide`	`Guillotine: 1`
`23:02.08`	`Lej`	`0 not considered false then I persume?`
`23:02.13`	`Cide`	`only nil and false are`
`23:02.15`	`Guillotine`	`right. its a number`
`23:02.40`	`Guillotine`	`I still want to know how Iriel crashed it :(`
`23:02.55`	`Guillotine`	`>>> WorldFrame:Hide()`
`23:02.56`	`Cide`	`Guillotine: [string "WorldFrame:Hide()"]:1: attempt to index global 'WorldFrame' (a nil value)`
`23:03.02`	`Cide`	`>>> (0 and 1), (true and false), (false and "foo"), (true and 52) or "abc", (false and "true") or "meh", nil and true or "meh"`
`23:03.02`	`Cide`	`Cide: 1, false, false, 52, "meh", "meh"`
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`23:04.35`	`Lej`	`had a simple java course last year so I keep mixing things up with it`
`23:05.21`	`Lej`	`>>> (false or true), (false and true)`
`23:05.21`	`Cide`	`Lej: true, false`
`23:08.34`	`Lej`	`aw well time for sleep, linear algebra exam tomorrow :)`
`23:10.59`	`Bleeter`	`nn wereHamster\|zZz`
`23:15.27`	`xlvii`	`http://www.adequacy.org/public/stories/2001.12.2.42056.2147.html`
`23:16.29`	`zenzelezz`	`"Popular hacker software includes "Comet Cursor", "Bonzi Buddy" and "Flash"." QQ`
`23:17.22`	`Elessdy`	`ah`
`23:17.37`	`cogwheel\|work`	`heh... my wife used to use Bonzi Buddy... ><`
`23:17.46`	`Corrodias`	`this is a troll article. it's rare that i see an actual well-done troll.`
`23:18.16`	`zenzelezz`	`indeed`
`23:18.36`	`Karrion`	`I _hope_ it's a troll`
`23:18.38`	`Canute`	`Excuse my ignorance, but how come <frame> can contain <frames>? But it doesn't have too? I mean, what's the difference, when do you use what?`
`23:18.41`	`Karrion`	`I really do`
`23:18.48`	`Corrodias`	`whether justified or not, i first began to suspect the legitimacy when i read "Most American families use trusted and responsible Internet Service Providers, such as AOL."`
`23:18.48`	`Bleeter`	`"AMD chips are never sold in stores"`
`23:18.53`	`Bleeter`	`it's an old troll article`
`23:19.13`	`Bleeter`	`"BSD, Lunix, Debian and Mandrake are all versions of an illegal hacker operation system, invented by a Soviet computer hacker named Linyos Torovoltos, before the Russians lost the Cold War"`
`23:19.31`	`Corrodias`	`-can- a frame contain other frames?`
`23:19.42`	`Karrion`	`heh, damn those soviet hackers!`
`23:19.43`	`Canute`	`i dunno. I'm just reading the tutorials`
`23:19.45`	`Corrodias`	`i really know very little about the frame aspect of wow UI`
`23:20.03`	`Corrodias`	`i'm just a tinkerer with lua and the API, myself`
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`23:21.04`	`Bleeter`	`on the subject of commie-bastard linux hackers... http://ianmurdock.com/2007/03/19/joining-sun/`
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`23:24.22`	`Corrodias`	`i have considered learning how to use linux. i realized eventually, once i had a virtual machine running, that i really didn't want to run anything in it. :/`
`23:24.24`	`cogwheel\|work`	`purl, hug Cairenn`
`23:24.36`	`Cairenn`	`purl, hug cogwheel\|work`
`23:24.48`	`Corrodias`	`as for solaris, i don't know what that does. the efforts of Sun and developer networks are largely unknown to me.`
`23:24.59`	`cogwheel\|work`	`~botsmack`
`23:25.00`	`purl`	`OWW!`
`23:26.11`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i need caffeine but this coffee is too hot :x`
`23:26.24`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`hurry up and cool off damn you coffee`
`23:26.42`	`Corrodias`	`drop ice in it`
`23:27.13`	`cogwheel\|work`	`blech`
`23:27.17`	`cogwheel\|work`	`i'd rather burn my tongue`
`23:27.25`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`no ice down here i'd have to go upstairs`
`23:27.30`	`cogwheel\|work`	`'s like putting ice in beer imo`
`23:27.35`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i shoulda cooled the water first`
`23:27.44`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i brewed it too hot :[`
`23:28.02`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`its gonna be all bitter`
`23:28.43`	`Corrodias`	`looks like we're having regular maintenance tomorrow. no 2.1. :(`
`23:28.49`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`well yeah`
`23:28.56`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`its not on the ptr yet`
`23:28.58`	`Corrodias`	`I AM IMPATIENT`
`23:29.10`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`it'll probably hit the ptr for a month`
`23:29.25`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`then hit live and be broken as hell :p`
`23:30.55`	`cogwheel\|work`	`http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=85310460&sid=1#6`
`23:33.55`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`which quote was he quoting`
`23:33.59`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`the world may never know`
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`23:36.11`	`mahiro`	`hi`
`23:36.29`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Very interesting link coming up - a family takes photos of themselves every year - really cool to see the change over the years: http://zonezero.com/magazine/essays/diegotime/time.html`
`23:38.56`	`Bleeter`	`facial hair ftw!`
`23:39.56`	`Kaso`	`Those are the most hillarious babies ive ever seen`
`23:41.22`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i love how the dad doesn't start losing his hairline much or looking very old until the oldest starts getting a beard`
`23:41.38`	`decdev`	`anybody know of some up to date info on getting info from a tooltip. I spent hours trying to do it with outdated info.`
`23:43.37`	`Bleeter`	`lol Mr_Rabies2, you noticed that too`
`23:44.11`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Yeah, definite fans of beards that family`
`23:44.36`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`beards are awesome, can't say i blame em`
`23:44.45`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Here's another cool link - South Park drawn 'properly' - http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/51002758/`
`23:45.03`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i'm always wary of deviantart links`
`23:45.09`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`I've decided to test one out, so I reserve my opinion on beards until I really have one`
`23:45.11`	`Industrial`	`need... interest...drawn...too...bored...`
`23:45.28`	`Cairenn`	`that's where my avatar is from :p`
`23:45.46`	`Industrial`	`Kirkburn\|afk: lol.`
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`23:46.47`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`I'm thinking of going for a goatee type thing - but then again, that's pretty much all I can go for`
`23:47.21`	`Bleeter`	`do eet`
`23:47.29`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`deviantart is like 50% furry art, 20% goth art, 20% fantasy art, 10% wallpapers, and 20% crappy anime fanart`
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`23:47.41`	`Industrial`	`yeah well moustaches suck lemme tell you that`
`23:47.49`	`Industrial`	`dont doo taaat :P`
`23:48.02`	`Bleeter`	`mo's are for pr0nstars`
`23:48.15`	`Bleeter`	`fat, bloated, hairy p0rnstars`
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`23:48.18`	`Industrial`	`haha`
`23:48.21`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i looked like a hobo for a while`
`23:48.31`	`Bleeter`	`Mr_Rabies2: you're not a hobo?`
`23:48.36`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`no haircut for a couple months, haven't shaved in almost as long`
`23:48.36`	`Bleeter`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:48.53`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i'd have said bum but you aussies/brits would be confused`
`23:48.54`	`JoshBorke`	`ok, question for the peanut crowd!`
`23:48.55`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`You've showered at least, I hope?`
`23:48.59`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`well yeah`
`23:49.06`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i look like a hobo, don't smell like one :p`
`23:49.11`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`hehe`
`23:49.19`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Peanut Butter Jelly Time!`
`23:49.34`	`Industrial`	`where ye at where ye at! there ye go there ye go!`
`23:49.39`	`Corrodias`	`Bleeter, you fool`
`23:49.44`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Oooh, bitchy. Rawr!`
`23:49.45`	`zenzelezz`	`he spent time abroad Bleeter`
`23:49.46`	`Corrodias`	`it's dental care they don't know about`
`23:49.56`	`Industrial`	`zing :D`
`23:50.03`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`I'll have you know I've never had a single problem with my teeth`
`23:50.08`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`dear god`
`23:50.19`	`JoshBorke`	`say i have 8 bits that I want to set to 0 or 1. setting to 0 is easy, just provide a bitmask. how can I set to 1? OR them together right? now, how do I do both setting and unsetting different bits?`
`23:50.22`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`do NOT search for "dethklok" on deviantart if you value your immortal soul`
`23:50.40`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Mr_Rabies2, sorry, search for it, you say?`
`23:50.48`	`Bleeter`	`zenzelezz: spending time on the boat to Isle of Mann, or the Channel Islands, does not mean 'abroad' :P`
`23:51.12`	`Bleeter`	`hmm, yess... coffeee`
`23:51.20`	`Corrodias`	`josh: XOR`
`23:51.26`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Evil dethklok ponies! http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/41901216/?qo=18&q=dethklok&qh=boost%3Apopular+age_sigma%3A24h+age_scale%3A5`
`23:51.34`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Who the hell are Dethklok anyway?`
`23:51.42`	`Corrodias`	`XOR the value with a byte of all zeros, except 1's where you want to flip the bit`
`23:51.53`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`<Kirkburn\|afk> Who the hell are Dethklok anyway?`
`23:51.56`	`JoshBorke`	`hm`
`23:52.03`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`<Mr_Rabies2> <Kirkburn\|afk> Who the hell are Dethklok anyway?`
`23:52.03`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`only the best fake band ever`
`23:52.10`	`Industrial`	`do they have like laserbeams?`
`23:52.14`	`JoshBorke`	`hm, i was thinking XOR`
`23:52.15`	`Industrial`	`and stuff?`
`23:52.23`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Oooh, stuff`
`23:52.24`	`Corrodias`	`now maybe your next problem would be how to form the xor mask, haha`
`23:52.26`	`Bleeter`	`better than Spinal Tap? I find that hard to believe`
`23:52.32`	`Industrial`	`yeah stuff! kickass!`
`23:52.35`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`they are bleeter`
`23:52.40`	`JoshBorke`	`that'll be easy`
`23:52.42`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Who the hell are Spinal Tap?`
`23:52.54`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`I keed, I keed`
`23:52.54`	`Corrodias`	`i dunno. where the hell is my 2.1 patch?`
`23:53.18`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`Kirk: http://youtube.com/watch?v=az_TJf_qnAg`
`23:53.32`	`JoshBorke`	`Corrodias: thanks`
`23:53.35`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`My mum used to go out with a guy from Spinal Tap`
`23:54.01`	`Bleeter`	`Kirkburn\|afk: was he a drummer?`
`23:54.03`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i'd say that show is even more awesome than monkey dust`
`23:54.10`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`No, I made it up.`
`23:54.12`	`Bleeter`	`Kirkburn\|afk: if so, I'm sorry for your mum's loss`
`23:54.17`	`Corrodias`	`this hentai game company produced a game for which they encrypted the files by applying a repeating 15-byte XOR mask across the file. at least, that's how they did it for the simple files.`
`23:54.17`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`and monkey dust is freaking awesome`
`23:54.39`	`Corrodias`	`for the model files, they actually used a mask that incremented every time it repeated. i don't even fully understand it myself, because someone else had to figure that one out.`
`23:54.44`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Bleeter, what I needed for you to say "Really!?!?!"`
`23:54.52`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`*^was`
`23:55.16`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`But you can't win 'em all`
`23:55.18`	`Guillotine`	`someone just linked Martin Thunder in trade chat o.O`
`23:55.21`	`JoshBorke`	`how would I handle not knowing what the bits currently are but wanting to get it to set bits?`
`23:55.31`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`that was fun to do when xrealm bgs first came out guillo`
`23:55.31`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Guillotine, lol`
`23:55.54`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`because servers without GMs with them equipped since the last reset would get d/ced when you linked it`
`23:55.56`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`:p`
`23:56.08`	`Guillotine`	`hmm. how would the server have seen it so that it didn't crash the person?`
`23:56.09`	`Guillotine`	`ahh`
`23:56.20`	`Guillotine`	`I tried mining that just yesterday with item id and didn't work ><`
`23:58.39`	`Karrion`	`JoshBorke: you have unknown bits, and want to set some to 1 and some to 0 and leave some alone?`
`23:59.23`	`Karrion`	`(cause.. it's really easy if none need to be left alone >.> )`

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