| 00:00.17 | jaxdahl | 152422 <[dRaCo]> jaxdahl: try http://wow-loot.com/ |
| 00:00.24 | jaxdahl | exactly the site i was looking for, thanks |
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| 00:06.18 | jaxdahl | nice, my paladin has 10,007 hp unbuffed |
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| 00:24.52 | cogwheel|work | http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=oddlyEnoughNews&storyid=2007-03-09T152744Z_01_L09200017_RTRUKOC_0_US-GERMANY-DIVORCE-CHAINSAW.xml&src=rss |
| 00:25.37 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 00:29.26 | wereHamster | that's not nice of him: one should split, and teh other can than choose which part he wants. He should have let his wive choose which part she wants to keep |
| 00:30.01 | cogwheel|work | well, he did take the time to measure, at least... |
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| 00:31.18 | Cairenn | that's hilarious |
| 00:31.52 | Sstixrud | Question: Can anyone think of a clean way to detect why a spell failed to complete? Specifically I know to detect if the reason was a) A more powerful spell exists on unit and b) A debuff exists on unit preventing spell (think Priest shield). |
| 00:32.11 | Sstixrud | I know/ I want to know |
| 00:32.25 | cogwheel|work | process the same events that the UI uses to display the error messages |
| 00:32.47 | cogwheel|work | you'll have to also keep track of what spell is being cast in the first place and forget it when it succeeds |
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| 00:33.10 | Sstixrud | hmmm |
| 00:34.09 | Sstixrud | In the case that a more powerful spell exists I will also need to watch for that spell leaving via UNIT_AURA event |
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| 00:49.10 | Sstixrud | Does anyone know a good howto / example code showing how to create custom ActionButtons using SecureActionButtonTemplate but not sharing the standard 120 button ids? |
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| 01:18.09 | Industrial | Does someone have a hunter macro that makes your pet attack/come back in one button? |
| 01:19.48 | leethal | hmm |
| 01:19.50 | leethal | I'd like that too |
| 01:20.09 | Groll | castsequence |
| 01:20.22 | Groll | ./castsequence spell1, spell2 |
| 01:20.47 | Groll | i guess |
| 01:31.43 | kaso | Man i sware divx stage 6 youtube esque thing must be hosted down the road from me or something |
| 01:31.54 | kaso | i get nearly 9000kB/s from it |
| 01:32.40 | leethal | I seriously wish I understood economics on www. All these free services with super high cost to maintain |
| 01:32.47 | Tem | over NINE THOUSAND!?!?!?! |
| 01:32.56 | SB1-Laptop | rofl |
| 01:34.21 | kaso | its a little crazy |
| 01:36.20 | Kirkburn|Wii | Wiiiiiii!!! |
| 01:36.34 | Kirkburn|Wii | Rayman Raving Rabbids ftw |
| 01:36.55 | kaso | http://kasoo.net/img/imgs/Screenshot.1.png |
| 01:37.45 | Kirkburn|Wii | kaso, wow |
| 01:37.55 | Kirkburn|Wii | It's taken me 3 months, but I finally got a Wii :D |
| 01:38.01 | kaso | haha |
| 01:38.08 | kaso | thats a long wait |
| 01:38.17 | Kirkburn|Wii | Game had a big order in today, and I happened to be in town to get my repaired phone |
| 01:38.50 | Kirkburn|Wii | I was planning on getting it online, but I always missed the couple of minutes each website had them for :P |
| 01:39.02 | Kirkburn|Wii | Amazon still only has them for about 10 minutes every 3 days |
| 01:39.39 | Kirkburn|Wii | I've even frequently seen their stock disappear after two minutes |
| 01:39.53 | kaso | cant you like pre-order? |
| 01:39.57 | Kirkburn|Wii | But anyhoo, I have a Wii, it is awesome :P |
| 01:40.21 | Kirkburn|Wii | Stocks are so unreliable, most sites don't take preorders still |
| 01:40.43 | kaso | i see |
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| 01:41.41 | Kirkburn|Wii | I'm going to go back and do some more disco dancing ... "Bunnies are fantastic dancers" |
| 01:42.41 | kaso | man that is the best quit message ever |
| 01:44.56 | Kirkburn|Wii | I hate cladhaire :) |
| 01:46.58 | leethal | what's kirkburn's? |
| 01:48.03 | kaso | It sounds like Burns when you say it :> |
| 01:49.38 | leethal | Kaso sounds like kaso when you say it |
| 01:50.46 | kaso | if you say it wrong |
| 01:50.46 | kaso | ha |
| 01:50.46 | Kirkburn|Wii | Fool! |
| 01:50.46 | Kirkburn|Wii | It actually sounds like "fish" |
| 01:50.48 | leethal | fruit, fungus |
| 01:53.44 | Sstixrud | Hey kaso got a question you might be able to help with :) |
| 01:53.52 | kaso | Shoot |
| 01:54.18 | Sstixrud | kaso: You familiar with how to create Secure actionbuttons that do not use the default 120 id's but behave the same? |
| 01:54.49 | kaso | actually not really ive never looked into the secure stuff |
| 01:55.07 | Sstixrud | kk, trying to find a simple howto or example code |
| 01:55.16 | kaso | I think theres some good stuff on wowwiki |
| 01:55.25 | Sstixrud | the projects that I have found that use them so far are complex enough to be difficult to see what is what |
| 01:55.34 | kaso | http://www.wowwiki.com/Secure_Frames_Overview |
| 01:55.40 | leethal | yay =D |
| 01:56.15 | Sstixrud | Kaso - on another note, I released my mod as a beta and its a hit :) http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6965-UnitButtons.html |
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| 01:57.56 | kaso | Your paladin reminds me of link in zelda for some reason |
| 01:58.05 | kaso | the huge sword and green clothes i think |
| 01:58.26 | Sstixrud | haha, I dont actully play that char... |
| 01:59.17 | Sstixrud | my job would be so much easier if wow doubled the number of button id's :) |
| 02:00.59 | kaso | you can link spells directly to buttons without action ids with the secure frames |
| 02:01.00 | kaso | which is good |
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| 02:03.09 | Sstixrud | hmmm buy by linking I assume you don't mean drag and drop will still work :) |
| 02:04.05 | kaso | well i have no experance, but i dont think it'd be too hard to work out what spell is on the cursor then make that button cast spell to give the apperance it has been dropped onto it, without *actuallly* dropping it |
| 02:04.51 | Sstixrud | hmm understood |
| 02:07.21 | kaso | But yah i've never really had a need to use any secure frames stuff so ive never bothered to learn it |
| 02:07.36 | kaso | anyhoo, late night, cheery oh. |
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| 03:02.02 | TC_Working | ah, nothin like a 14 hr day for fixing DST on servers |
| 03:03.29 | Seth275 | DST? |
| 03:03.38 | Cairenn | yeah, anyone know why it's 3 weeks early this year? |
| 03:04.00 | bleetah | didn't the US gov pass some energy saving act? |
| 03:04.14 | TC_Working | US changes the law |
| 03:04.18 | TC_Working | changed* |
| 03:04.24 | TC_Working | starts on the 11th |
| 03:04.30 | Cairenn | doesn't explain why it's changed up here as well :p |
| 03:04.35 | bleetah | and, following from that, I suspect TC_Working is dealing with the Java patch fuckup |
| 03:04.44 | TC_Working | "Beginning in 2007, most of the United States begins Daylight Saving Time at 2:00 a.m. on the second Sunday in March and reverts to standard time on the first Sunday in November. In the U.S., each time zone switches at a different time. " |
| 03:04.56 | bleetah | the adjective being a mild term for what's happened ;) |
| 03:04.57 | TC_Working | what java patch fuckup? |
| 03:05.39 | bleetah | http://sunsolve.sun.com/search/document.do?assetkey=1-26-102836-1 |
| 03:06.05 | TC_Working | heh i'm pacific |
| 03:06.08 | TC_Working | no problems for me |
| 03:07.09 | Seth275 | US also started a campaing which gives a special sticker to Power Supplys with more than 80% efficincy (man that got to be spelled wrong ...) which is good i think ... |
| 03:07.41 | Seth275 | GMT ... but as Windows and most of my other clocks do it automatically its fine ^^ |
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| 03:10.21 | Seth275 | anyway gn8 boys & girls ^^ |
| 03:10.54 | TC_Working | night |
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| 03:23.31 | Xenok | any idea when I /dump or /run the highlighted lines of http://wowi.pastey.net/8063 i get empty values? |
| 03:27.56 | Xenok | lol I am a guy .. but .. "God may have created man before woman, but there is always a rough draft before the masterpiece" |
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| 03:38.41 | Tem | holy cow |
| 03:38.44 | Tem | must buy spore |
| 03:39.28 | Tem | dear EA, |
| 03:39.32 | Tem | please take my money. |
| 03:39.39 | Tem | with love, |
| 03:39.40 | Tem | tard |
| 03:39.48 | Xenok | spore looks like fun :D |
| 03:40.05 | Xenok | get to make your own creatures |
| 03:41.36 | Xenok | didn't know the guy that made sims is behind spore O.o |
| 03:41.56 | Tem | october 07 |
| 03:41.58 | Tem | *sigh* |
| 03:42.01 | Xenok | aww |
| 03:42.35 | Xenok | I want it bad |
| 03:43.53 | Xenok | DANGIT!! I LOST IT! |
| 03:44.20 | Xenok | I had a piece of code that auto detected what zone you where in and then placed the saved coords in that dropdown selection... i lost it |
| 03:44.24 | Xenok | T_T |
| 03:50.30 | leethal | VC for the win |
| 03:50.34 | leethal | you should do it |
| 03:50.35 | leethal | just.. do it |
| 03:50.38 | leethal | no matter the size of the project |
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| 03:52.31 | Xenok | VC? |
| 03:52.35 | leethal | version control |
| 03:52.40 | leethal | subversion, for instance |
| 03:52.44 | Xenok | ah |
| 03:52.45 | leethal | I use google code |
| 03:52.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | <+Tem> dear EA, |
| 03:52.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | <+Tem> please take my money. |
| 03:52.56 | leethal | http://code.google.com/p/wow-afktell/ for instance |
| 03:53.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | DON'T SAY THAT TOO LOUD THEY MIGHT HEAR YOU |
| 03:53.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | :x |
| 03:53.09 | Tem | lol |
| 03:53.14 | Xenok | XD |
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| 03:55.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | man |
| 03:55.50 | Xenok | woah |
| 03:55.50 | Xenok | umm |
| 03:55.50 | bleetah | freenode's having a brainfart |
| 03:55.50 | Xenok | that musta sucked |
| 03:56.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | i just saw 300, so epic |
| 03:56.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | :O |
| 03:56.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | all of you should see it |
| 03:56.39 | Xenok | .. |
| 03:56.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | don't you almost ellipses me |
| 03:57.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | go to your movie theater and get a ticket NOW |
| 03:57.21 | Xenok | im 15 .. soo |
| 03:57.26 | Xenok | >.> |
| 03:57.36 | bleetah | if at all |
| 03:57.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | NO EXCUSES |
| 03:57.43 | Xenok | hehe |
| 03:57.55 | bleetah | and then I'll have to wait for the DVD release |
| 03:57.59 | leethal | Xenok: started using VC yet? |
| 03:58.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | i remember sneaking my friend in to see some R movie when he was 16 |
| 03:58.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | i think it was troy |
| 03:58.04 | bleetah | and then I'll have to wait as I get it from interstate |
| 03:58.07 | Xenok | er.. no.. I will though |
| 03:58.10 | leethal | now! |
| 03:58.14 | Xenok | OK OK |
| 03:58.21 | leethal | don't write a single line of code before it's under VC |
| 03:59.00 | Xenok | maybe I don't have it yet cuz I CAN'T FIND IT >< |
| 03:59.00 | leethal | s/before/until |
| 04:00.00 | Xenok | leethal fails |
| 04:02.03 | Xenok | leethal.. gimme link! |
| 04:02.13 | leethal | huh? |
| 04:02.14 | leethal | http://code.google.com/p/wow-afktell/ |
| 04:02.28 | Xenok | that be VC? |
| 04:02.35 | leethal | http://code.google.com/hosting/createProject |
| 04:02.38 | leethal | well |
| 04:02.42 | leethal | it has a subversion repository |
| 04:02.55 | leethal | google for "subversion tutorial" or something like that |
| 04:03.00 | Xenok | aight |
| 04:03.01 | leethal | subversion = a VC tool |
| 04:03.13 | leethal | and using google projects/code sets up a subversion repository for you |
| 04:03.25 | leethal | a bit painful to do that for beginers |
| 04:04.05 | Xenok | hmm |
| 04:05.09 | Nom- | hmm are there any working version of the WoWI Updater yet ?:0 |
| 04:05.31 | Shirik | um |
| 04:05.43 | Shirik | yes, but it can't automatically detect UIDs yet |
| 04:05.47 | Shirik | so you have to do it manually |
| 04:06.00 | Xenok | leethal... umm its for a certain OS? |
| 04:06.02 | Shirik | once you give it the id once, it remembers it though |
| 04:06.06 | leethal | Xenok: no |
| 04:06.11 | Xenok | ok |
| 04:06.14 | leethal | Xenok: http://subversion.tigris.org |
| 04:06.20 | leethal | Xenok: use tortoise svn if you're on windows |
| 04:06.21 | Shirik | leethal: I wanted to use google code but I couldn't figure out how to set it up |
| 04:06.22 | Shirik | thanks :) |
| 04:06.31 | Shirik | but I have a subversion server now :P |
| 04:06.40 | Shirik | does google code have a bugtracker though? |
| 04:06.42 | Xenok | im on windows |
| 04:06.48 | Shirik | tortoise svn = windows |
| 04:06.52 | Shirik | and easiest way to use svn |
| 04:08.00 | Xenok | eep more mass logs |
| 04:08.00 | Xenok | lethal.. that tigris.org .. any subdomain gives me a web error |
| 04:08.00 | leethal | Shirik: it's easy to set up |
| 04:08.00 | leethal | Shirik: you just register |
| 04:08.01 | Xenok | The connection to the server was reset while the page was loading. |
| 04:08.02 | Shirik | xenok: subversion.tigris.org but don't go there |
| 04:08.12 | Shirik | no offense I don't think you can set up a svn server :P |
| 04:08.21 | Shirik | go to the tortoisesvn site |
| 04:08.24 | Xenok | lol Ive set up a wow server before so. |
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| 04:08.44 | Xenok | .. i abandoned it though |
| 04:08.44 | Shirik | um |
| 04:08.49 | Shirik | just for the record |
| 04:08.51 | Shirik | that's technically illegal so I recommend you don't go around boasting that ^^; |
| 04:08.55 | Xenok | shh |
| 04:08.56 | Xenok | I know |
| 04:09.25 | Shirik | http://tortoisesvn.tigris.org/ tortoisesvn but it's just the client |
| 04:09.47 | Xenok | aww cute little cartoon turtle :P |
| 04:11.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | your mom's a cartoon turtle |
| 04:11.44 | Cairenn | o.O |
| 04:11.46 | Xenok | shhh they don't need to know that |
| 04:12.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | anyways |
| 04:12.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm still pumped from seeing 300 |
| 04:13.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | i read the comic again mere hours before watching it, so it was fresh in my mind :p |
| 04:13.32 | leethal | what's 300? |
| 04:13.33 | Xenok | eh? "4. Entire Agreement / Survival" |
| 04:13.37 | Xenok | a movie |
| 04:13.46 | leethal | you peeps are in the US I guess? |
| 04:13.49 | Legorol | Question about item class/sub-class: |
| 04:13.54 | leethal | movies are always lagged in Europe.. |
| 04:13.58 | Legorol | Change notes state that following macro conditional is available: equipped:<invslot>|<itemclass>|<itemsubclass> - Choose if you have the specific item type equipped |
| 04:14.08 | Legorol | can anyone tell me what is itemclass and what is itemsubclass? |
| 04:14.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | Armor, Weapon, Shield; Leather, Plate, Cloth, Sword, etc |
| 04:14.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | i think? |
| 04:14.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | :O |
| 04:15.59 | Legorol | aha ok |
| 04:18.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | i could be way off but i seem to remember that |
| 04:19.39 | Xenok | Women are overly clever >< "But it says in the bible that MEN brew the coffee" "where does it say that" "HEBREWS" darnit!! |
| 04:19.50 | Xenok | I read that in an e-mail |
| 04:20.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | :x |
| 04:20.55 | leethal | "hebrews coffee"? |
| 04:21.11 | leethal | ah, nvm. "Who brews cofee?" "Hebrews!" |
| 04:21.12 | leethal | works |
| 04:21.19 | Xenok | hehe .. its wierd |
| 04:21.59 | subbawt | nightbane is hard |
| 04:22.32 | Xenok | omg.. danget.. "this instslation package is not supported by this processer type" WTF |
| 04:22.56 | leethal | what did you download? |
| 04:23.09 | Xenok | umm |
| 04:23.25 | Xenok | tortusesvn or whatever |
| 04:23.40 | leethal | *sigh* |
| 04:23.41 | Shirik | wahhhh googlecode's svn server is so slow >< |
| 04:23.44 | Shirik | I'm uploading at 2KB/sec |
| 04:23.47 | Xenok | eep |
| 04:24.01 | leethal | a dude that's making addons doesn't know what kind of processor he has? =P |
| 04:24.02 | Xenok | did I mess up leethal? |
| 04:24.06 | Shirik | xenok, do you know what your processor type is? |
| 04:24.23 | Legorol | I'm a bit confused about the return values of GetItemInfo, specifically the 8th return value (itemEquipLoc), maybe someone can help |
| 04:24.24 | Xenok | must have 32 bit >< |
| 04:24.32 | Shirik | are you sure about that? |
| 04:24.44 | Xenok | cuz. I downloaded 64bit |
| 04:24.51 | Legorol | this return value is of the form of a string like "INVTYPE_XXX", and there is a global variable with that name for each, right? |
| 04:25.01 | Shirik | xenok - there are more than just 32 and 64 bit |
| 04:25.09 | leethal | http://tortoisesvn.net/downloads |
| 04:25.11 | Xenok | those are the only choices :P |
| 04:25.18 | Shirik | are you on windows xp? |
| 04:25.21 | Xenok | yes |
| 04:25.28 | Shirik | then I'm almost positive you're not on 64 bit os |
| 04:25.33 | Xenok | hehe |
| 04:25.34 | leethal | idd |
| 04:25.41 | Shirik | xp64 is run by like 5 people |
| 04:25.44 | Shirik | in the entire world |
| 04:25.48 | Xenok | wow |
| 04:25.50 | leethal | no, 3 |
| 04:25.51 | Xenok | why? |
| 04:26.10 | leethal | because it's no point using 64 bit unless you have 6 gb ram and process heavy math stuff |
| 04:26.12 | Xenok | its like godly expensive? |
| 04:26.32 | Shirik | It doesn't even matter because there's really no 64 bit apps |
| 04:26.43 | Xenok | then .. how dumb |
| 04:26.47 | leethal | and that, yes |
| 04:27.04 | leethal | but even self-compiled linux doesn't benefit much |
| 04:27.05 | Shirik | legorol: http://wowwiki.com/ItemEquipLoc |
| 04:27.14 | Shirik | it is a string, not a variable |
| 04:27.17 | Legorol | yeah i was looking at that list, and it's confusing a bit |
| 04:27.19 | Shirik | (not a constant) |
| 04:27.31 | Legorol | GetItemInfo returns a string, of the form INVTYPE_XXX |
| 04:27.41 | Shirik | right |
| 04:27.42 | Legorol | for each possible return value (string), there is a matching global variable of that name |
| 04:27.43 | Shirik | which will be one of those |
| 04:27.54 | Shirik | is there? |
| 04:27.57 | Shirik | hm, never used it |
| 04:28.00 | Legorol | e.g. INVTYPE_CLOAK = "Back" |
| 04:28.33 | Shirik | Ok so, if that's true, you should be able to use getglobal(arg8) == "Back" |
| 04:28.39 | Shirik | where arg8 is wherever you stored that var |
| 04:28.52 | leethal | is there any super nice lua tutorials around? The lua.org/manual is a bit heavy for beginners |
| 04:29.00 | Shirik | I don't know of any :/ |
| 04:29.02 | Legorol | Shirik: that's correct, in principle |
| 04:29.09 | Legorol | however, what i am not sure about are the following points: |
| 04:29.15 | leethal | any books on lua? |
| 04:29.25 | Shirik | likely |
| 04:29.25 | Tem | pur gold |
| 04:29.26 | Legorol | a) is it guaranteed that for all possible arg8 return value, there is a matching global variable |
| 04:29.28 | Tem | pure |
| 04:29.30 | Tem | gold |
| 04:29.30 | Tem | pu |
| 04:29.33 | Shirik | no |
| 04:29.35 | Tem | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ve21XwzXqs |
| 04:29.41 | Shirik | it could be an empty string |
| 04:29.46 | Shirik | which you would need to guard against |
| 04:29.50 | Legorol | uh? |
| 04:29.55 | Legorol | oh right |
| 04:29.57 | Legorol | but what i mean is |
| 04:30.01 | Shirik | unequippable items will return "" |
| 04:30.06 | Legorol | can arg8 ever contain a string, for which there is no global variable |
| 04:30.11 | Legorol | (apart from the empty string) |
| 04:30.25 | Shirik | if it's not unequippable, then it must logically be equippable right? Then it must fall in one of those vars in the list there |
| 04:30.32 | Shirik | each of which has a global |
| 04:30.37 | Legorol | example: arg8 == "INVTYPE_SOMERANDOMTYPE", but INVTYPE_SOMERANDOMTYPE == nil |
| 04:30.51 | Tem | Shirik, not necesarily |
| 04:30.55 | Shirik | I can't think of any other case |
| 04:31.02 | Legorol | ok to use the cloak example |
| 04:31.05 | Shirik | if it's not unequippable item, it must be an equippable item? |
| 04:31.08 | Legorol | GetItemInfo might return INVTYPE_CLOAK |
| 04:31.16 | Tem | Shirik, iirc, INVTYPE_RANGED does not have a global |
| 04:31.18 | Legorol | but is there a guarantee that there is a global called INVTYPE_CLOAK? |
| 04:31.31 | Shirik | (btw I'm just going based off the documentation right now) |
| 04:31.34 | Legorol | Tem: i checked that one jsut now, that one's fine |
| 04:31.45 | Legorol | ok that was going to be question b) |
| 04:32.00 | Legorol | b) the Wiki doc, in the Type column, lists words which are not the contents of the global variables |
| 04:32.02 | Tem | Legorol, I don't which particular case it is, but there was a ranged type that didn't have a global |
| 04:32.03 | Legorol | this seems a bit silly |
| 04:32.11 | Tem | It gave Gello many many headaches |
| 04:32.14 | Legorol | Tem: ok thanks, i will try to systematically find it |
| 04:32.23 | Shirik | you could check for nil |
| 04:32.25 | Tem | that hole may have been corrected since then |
| 04:32.38 | Shirik | just safeguard against it |
| 04:32.50 | Shirik | log it too so you can correct it later |
| 04:32.58 | Legorol | ok, now we move onto question c) |
| 04:33.31 | Legorol | c) the list of strings you get from checking all INVTYPE_XX globals' contents doesn't exhaust all possible values that an item tooltip's second line can have |
| 04:33.35 | Legorol | and this is my biggest gripe |
| 04:33.40 | Legorol | can anyone recommend something against this? |
| 04:34.12 | Legorol | let me rephrase: how can i reliably map back from the 2nd line of an item's tooltip to the INVTYPE_XXXX associated with that item |
| 04:34.36 | Legorol | an example where this backwards map doesn't work: ammo will say, on the 2nd line of the tooltip, the word "Projectile" |
| 04:35.36 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Wing87 (n=Wing@c83-254-245-218.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 04:42.59 | Shirik | Nom- still here? |
| 04:44.31 | Xenok | I wish Discord Art was 2.0.x T_T |
| 04:44.36 | Legorol | A different macro question, regarding # show and showtooltip |
| 04:44.37 | Xenok | compatable with |
| 04:44.51 | Legorol | How can I get a macro to display tooltip text, but not feedback? |
| 04:45.03 | Shirik | combine both |
| 04:45.10 | Shirik | for example |
| 04:45.10 | Legorol | i understand that # show does just feedback, and # showtooltip does both feedback and tooltip |
| 04:45.14 | Legorol | but how can i get just tooltip? |
| 04:45.16 | Shirik | #show something #showtooltip something else |
| 04:45.29 | Legorol | that's the point, i don't want to show anything |
| 04:45.39 | Shirik | er, what do you want to show then? a question mark? |
| 04:45.46 | Legorol | no |
| 04:45.47 | Shirik | it has to show SOMETHING, the buttons aren't invisible :P |
| 04:45.51 | Legorol | nono |
| 04:45.57 | Legorol | #show is for *feedback*, not for icon |
| 04:46.03 | Shirik | right |
| 04:46.09 | Legorol | i choose the icon when creating the macro |
| 04:46.10 | Shirik | but you can use it to force an icon if you do it right |
| 04:46.24 | Legorol | yes, if i select ?-mark as the icon in macro editing screen |
| 04:46.27 | Legorol | but that's not what i am talking about |
| 04:46.40 | Shirik | the thing is this, if you use #showtooltip it will start showing feedback |
| 04:46.42 | Legorol | feedback refers to the icon getting dimmed/highlighted depending on avaialble mana/range/etc. |
| 04:46.46 | Shirik | if you want to f.. I know |
| 04:46.47 | Legorol | exactly |
| 04:46.57 | Shirik | if you want to force it not to show feedback, then you have to give it something else to show |
| 04:47.14 | Legorol | but that doesn't work |
| 04:47.37 | Legorol | because if you have both #show and #showtooltip, whichever comes 2nd takes effect |
| 04:47.39 | Legorol | the first one is ignored |
| 04:47.43 | Xenok | Hey.. I can't just make discord art work by changing the inteface number can I? :P or is it super complicated only the one person knows how to do it |
| 04:47.46 | Shirik | then it's not working properly |
| 04:48.03 | Shirik | I know they made extensive changes to it in 2.1 so perhaps you should just wait for now |
| 04:48.05 | leethal | Xenok: someone did that already |
| 04:48.11 | Shirik | wekk |
| 04:48.13 | Xenok | I lost the link to it |
| 04:48.14 | Legorol | sorry other way around, the 1st one takes effect, 2nd is ignored |
| 04:48.14 | leethal | Xenok: didn't they? Anyways, no |
| 04:48.16 | Shirik | 'not just changing the interface number |
| 04:48.23 | leethal | Xenok: looooots of stuff changed 2.0 |
| 04:48.42 | Shirik | er... discord art is already ready for 2.0 |
| 04:48.48 | leethal | http://discord.tetzfiles.com/ |
| 04:48.48 | Xenok | where?! |
| 04:48.49 | Shirik | duf/dab aren't |
| 04:48.52 | Shirik | at their site? |
| 04:48.54 | leethal | duf are |
| 04:48.57 | Shirik | are they? |
| 04:48.58 | leethal | dab isn't |
| 04:49.08 | leethal | dab is, but not with stance switching functionality |
| 04:49.12 | Xenok | ee ty leethal. .I will bookmark it this time hehe |
| 04:49.24 | leethal | that's ports though, the original author is working on total rewrite thingies |
| 04:49.36 | Xenok | oo |
| 04:50.02 | Shirik | any guinea pigs around? |
| 04:50.24 | Xenok | for keyloggers no. but I will if its not a keylogger |
| 04:50.24 | Arrowmaster | reguarding the INVTYPE_* globals, some addons define the nil ones so they can do comparisions, do not do that globally because it taints and breaks the [equipped:*] macro conditional |
| 04:50.47 | Shirik | it's not a keylogger >< |
| 04:50.51 | Xenok | lol |
| 04:50.54 | Xenok | ok what you need? |
| 04:52.18 | Shirik | install http://code.google.com/p/wowiupdater/downloads/detail?name=Setup.exe&can=2&q= register your addons with it, restart it (future will do this without restart), set up the UIDs (future versions will do this automatically, but for now you have to manually do it when it requests it). and see if it updates properly |
| 04:52.34 | Xenok | um ok :D |
| 04:53.10 | bleetah | Shirik: you up for 'new' suggestions as to what a mod installer/manager should do? |
| 04:53.19 | Shirik | of course, it's by no means done :P |
| 04:53.23 | bleetah | hehe, k |
| 04:53.38 | Shirik | I heard your suggestions earlier about backing up saved vars and allowing restoration |
| 04:53.42 | Shirik | Going to implement that :) |
| 04:54.04 | Shirik | any other ideas? |
| 04:54.10 | Legorol | Woot, I think I just managed to get my first ever conditional macro working |
| 04:54.11 | Xenok | eep need better java.. brb |
| 04:54.13 | Legorol | neato |
| 04:54.16 | bleetah | well, here goes.. we're all devs. no doubt at various stages, we've got mods loaded that we're working on, that we really don't to actually want to *play* with. so there should be some method to easily switch between 'dev' mode, and 'live' mode, moving the addons/SV's as appropriate |
| 04:54.18 | Shirik | wait |
| 04:54.23 | Xenok | hm? |
| 04:54.23 | Shirik | it detected your missing java correctly?! |
| 04:54.26 | Xenok | yes |
| 04:54.28 | Shirik | woot |
| 04:54.30 | Xenok | lolo |
| 04:54.32 | Shirik | I couldn't test that :P |
| 04:54.36 | Xenok | lol |
| 04:54.45 | Xenok | im off to update then |
| 04:54.56 | Xenok | my java that is |
| 04:55.06 | Shirik | so like... two profiles bleetah? |
| 04:55.12 | bleetah | pretty much |
| 04:55.16 | Shirik | or more :P |
| 04:55.42 | Shirik | that's a really cool idea |
| 04:55.44 | bleetah | what got me wondering about it is that us auctioneer folks are re-writing from the ground up... and, well, it's a pain to move the stuff around manually for protection, etc. |
| 04:56.01 | Legorol | bleetah: i have a system set up for switching interface/wtf completely |
| 04:56.13 | bleetah | and, while I've half implemented it in my shell script, I figured I'd make the suggestion to you |
| 04:56.21 | Legorol | i have several sets, one for normal gaming, one for dev, one for miscellaneous purposes (e.g. trying out entire compilations) |
| 04:56.31 | bleetah | yeah, that's the general idea |
| 04:56.45 | Legorol | yah i have a set of batch files to do it :-) |
| 04:56.48 | Legorol | i'm a Windows man |
| 04:56.54 | Shirik | boo |
| 04:56.58 | bleetah | if it supports mods on SVN, Shirik, I might even use it! :-P |
| 04:56.59 | Xenok | windows ftw |
| 04:57.15 | Legorol | i was planning to write a vbscript with a menu you can select the set you want to use before launching wow |
| 04:57.23 | Legorol | but since the batch scripts work fine for me, i didn't bother in the end |
| 04:57.24 | Shirik | eew |
| 04:57.27 | Shirik | vb = lose |
| 04:57.36 | Legorol | i could do it in LuaScript if you like ;-) |
| 04:57.39 | Xenok | odd little icon you chose shirik lol |
| 04:57.48 | bleetah | I *still* think it should be written in QT.. but nm :-P |
| 04:57.48 | Shirik | it's the icon from wowinterface's site |
| 04:57.51 | Legorol | Windows can natively run Lua if you have a nice little plugin for WSH |
| 04:57.52 | Shirik | it was just a placeholder for now |
| 04:57.55 | Xenok | ah |
| 04:58.03 | Xenok | loading config |
| 04:58.05 | Shirik | I had to put something there I got sick of the little white box |
| 04:58.09 | Xenok | lol |
| 04:58.14 | bleetah | boobies! |
| 04:58.14 | Tem | oh wow that's unexpected... vista supports my printer without giving it any software |
| 04:58.17 | Xenok | I have runecloth bags for folders |
| 04:58.19 | Tem | and that includes the scanner |
| 04:58.22 | Shirik | you have what? |
| 04:58.38 | Xenok | my folder icons are runecloth bags |
| 04:58.43 | Shirik | ha |
| 04:58.46 | Xenok | I love it :D |
| 04:59.01 | Legorol | whoever said that vbscript is ewww... bear in mind that it takes Notepad and 3 lines of vbscript to send keystrokes to WoW, with no additoinal tools required, under a standard windows setup |
| 04:59.03 | Xenok | still loading config |
| 04:59.13 | Shirik | *cough* illegal |
| 04:59.18 | Legorol | yes very |
| 04:59.21 | Xenok | *cough* keylogger |
| 04:59.22 | Shirik | er.... it shouldn't take long at all xenok |
| 04:59.26 | Shirik | in fact it's unnoticable to me |
| 04:59.29 | Legorol | i was trying to illustrate how powerful it can be if you know what you are doing |
| 04:59.30 | Xenok | still loading |
| 04:59.38 | Shirik | C can be powerful too |
| 04:59.50 | Shirik | perhaps not in 3 lines |
| 04:59.53 | Xenok | loading some more |
| 04:59.54 | Legorol | i pointed this out to someone who said that WoW can detect any 3rd party programs running that are sending keystrokes to it |
| 04:59.58 | Shirik | but it can accomplish far more than vbscript can ever do |
| 05:00.01 | Legorol | so i said not if it's Windows being scripted ;-) |
| 05:00.15 | Legorol | sorry i am not trying to say that vbscript > C |
| 05:00.17 | Legorol | misunderstanding |
| 05:00.18 | Shirik | xenok: close it and try rerunning |
| 05:00.22 | Xenok | aight |
| 05:00.32 | Legorol | i was trying to demonstrate that with a bare windows install and Notepad, you can achiever a lot of things that people don't realise you can |
| 05:00.32 | Xenok | not letting me close O.o |
| 05:00.33 | Shirik | also |
| 05:00.35 | Shirik | ok |
| 05:00.41 | Shirik | force quit it and send me your errors.log |
| 05:00.45 | Shirik | if there's anything in it |
| 05:00.48 | Shirik | if it even exists :P |
| 05:01.21 | Shirik | did you get to the gui though? |
| 05:01.28 | Xenok | ./shrug |
| 05:01.36 | Shirik | was it just a black box? |
| 05:01.40 | Xenok | oh yeah |
| 05:01.41 | Shirik | or did you see the actual graphical screen |
| 05:01.47 | Shirik | ok so it's a problem with the c program then |
| 05:01.49 | Xenok | no |
| 05:01.52 | Xenok | I saw a gui |
| 05:01.55 | Shirik | oh |
| 05:02.07 | Xenok | lol didn't mean to worry ya |
| 05:02.07 | Shirik | ok go find if there's an errors.log in whatever folder you installed it to |
| 05:02.27 | Xenok | empty |
| 05:02.37 | Shirik | strange |
| 05:02.45 | Shirik | you force quit it right? Try running it again |
| 05:02.46 | Xenok | ooo cool |
| 05:02.52 | Xenok | I re ran it. |
| 05:03.00 | Xenok | BUT |
| 05:03.03 | Xenok | fyi |
| 05:03.21 | Xenok | if you shrik the window when it has the "select folder" or whatever.. it vanishes |
| 05:03.33 | Xenok | wait |
| 05:03.36 | Shirik | um... that's not my fault |
| 05:03.42 | Shirik | that's not a frame I built |
| 05:03.44 | Xenok | just shrink your other windows lol |
| 05:03.52 | Xenok | hehe found it |
| 05:04.05 | Shirik | anyway, ok so it didn't find your wow install folder automatically though? |
| 05:04.13 | Xenok | right |
| 05:04.14 | Shirik | it asked you for it? |
| 05:04.17 | Xenok | right |
| 05:04.18 | Shirik | where do you have it installed? |
| 05:04.23 | Xenok | my desktop |
| 05:04.31 | Xenok | wow anyway |
| 05:04.34 | Shirik | you have wow installed on your desktop? |
| 05:04.35 | Xenok | its whole direct |
| 05:04.38 | leethal | O_o |
| 05:04.44 | Xenok | yup for easy access lol |
| 05:04.49 | leethal | LOL |
| 05:04.50 | Shirik | well... that'd explain why it's not found |
| 05:04.53 | leethal | shortcuts? |
| 05:04.56 | Shirik | anyway... ok so you pointed it to the exe right? |
| 05:04.59 | Xenok | no.. its actuall direct |
| 05:05.09 | Xenok | I move when I do fixes |
| 05:05.21 | Shirik | so xenok you see the main screen now? |
| 05:05.28 | Xenok | says "ready" |
| 05:05.32 | Shirik | ok go to file->register |
| 05:05.41 | Shirik | you have to select which addons to try to update |
| 05:05.53 | Shirik | this will be done mostly automatically soon but I can't do it until I get the favorites.xml from dolby ^^; |
| 05:06.14 | Xenok | all of my addons are up to date lol I just select one anyway? |
| 05:06.18 | Shirik | yeah |
| 05:06.19 | Shirik | or all of them |
| 05:06.21 | Shirik | up to you |
| 05:06.29 | Shirik | I'd prefer you pick at least 5 |
| 05:06.30 | Xenok | I did all |
| 05:06.34 | Shirik | because I want to see how it does multithreading |
| 05:06.34 | Shirik | ok |
| 05:06.36 | Xenok | now what? |
| 05:06.50 | Xenok | file update? |
| 05:06.51 | Shirik | you moved em to the right side? |
| 05:06.56 | Xenok | yup |
| 05:06.58 | Shirik | nah that's not coded yet, you have to restart the app ^^; |
| 05:07.01 | Shirik | That's next on the list |
| 05:07.05 | Xenok | lol |
| 05:07.12 | Xenok | so just close it and reopen |
| 05:07.14 | Shirik | yeah |
| 05:07.17 | Shirik | and it should start updating |
| 05:07.26 | Shirik | but it'll ask you for UIDs because it can't find them automatically |
| 05:07.30 | Xenok | oo cool |
| 05:07.31 | Shirik | (yet) |
| 05:07.54 | Xenok | first few are "suspeded: need more info" |
| 05:08.04 | Shirik | right, because it needs you to supply the wowinterface uid |
| 05:08.15 | Xenok | ah hit resolve? |
| 05:08.15 | PProvost_ | Can anyone recommend a good in-game guild calendar management system? |
| 05:08.16 | Shirik | if you hit resolve it shows you how to get it |
| 05:08.30 | Shirik | PProvost_: GEM used to exist, I don't know if it still does |
| 05:08.33 | Shirik | Guild Event Manager |
| 05:08.33 | Xenok | oh thats cool |
| 05:08.44 | Shirik | did the image show up properly? |
| 05:08.46 | bleetah | GEM or Group Calendar |
| 05:08.48 | Xenok | yup |
| 05:08.52 | Xenok | even highlighted the uid |
| 05:09.06 | Shirik | don't use the one it showed though, you have to find it on your own :P |
| 05:09.08 | Xenok | umm now the screen is .. brown |
| 05:09.15 | Xenok | oh duh |
| 05:09.28 | Shirik | that was just an example one |
| 05:09.29 | Xenok | coulda said that |
| 05:09.32 | Xenok | >< |
| 05:09.34 | Shirik | eh, there won't be anything bad |
| 05:09.44 | Xenok | exept the app when .. brown |
| 05:09.49 | Shirik | .. huh? |
| 05:09.52 | Shirik | take a screenshot and give it to me |
| 05:10.11 | Shirik | (also check your error.log again :P) |
| 05:10.31 | Xenok | lol |
| 05:11.04 | Xenok | no error |
| 05:11.13 | PProvost_ | Shirik and bleetah: have you used either GEM Or Group Calendar yourself? I only ask because my guild is considering changing to something new and we had problems in the past w/ Group Calendar. |
| 05:11.14 | Shirik | got a shot of this "brown screen" ? |
| 05:11.18 | Shirik | I've used GEM |
| 05:11.31 | Shirik | it's pretty good, though it had its problems back in 1.11 (haven't tried it since) |
| 05:11.34 | Xenok | yeah hold on |
| 05:11.52 | Xenok | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v80/cortez1212/umm.jpg |
| 05:12.12 | Shirik | what's the cpu usage on it? |
| 05:12.15 | Shirik | on java.exe? |
| 05:12.22 | Xenok | umm I forced it closed already |
| 05:12.24 | Xenok | sorry |
| 05:12.27 | Shirik | heh |
| 05:12.35 | Shirik | and there's nothing in your error.log |
| 05:12.38 | Shirik | wtf |
| 05:12.38 | Xenok | right |
| 05:12.39 | bleetah | PProvost_: used both, both have plusses and minuses |
| 05:12.47 | Xenok | still brown |
| 05:12.54 | Xenok | must have to reinstall |
| 05:12.57 | Shirik | no |
| 05:12.59 | Shirik | that won't help :P |
| 05:13.04 | Xenok | but its brown again >< |
| 05:13.08 | Xenok | right on open |
| 05:13.15 | PProvost_ | bleetah, which would you pick if you were a GM? |
| 05:13.18 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Guillotine (n=Guilloti@ns.motek-services.com) |
| 05:13.46 | Shirik | it has to be stalling somewhere in a thread lock |
| 05:13.54 | Shirik | hmm |
| 05:13.58 | Shirik | how many processors do you have? |
| 05:14.05 | Xenok | umm |
| 05:14.08 | Shirik | cores* |
| 05:14.15 | Xenok | I forget <M |
| 05:14.17 | Xenok | >< |
| 05:14.29 | Shirik | hit windows key + pause key |
| 05:14.35 | Xenok | mem usage on javaw.exe iiiss 17,332 |
| 05:14.51 | Shirik | cpu usage? |
| 05:15.01 | bleetah | PProvost_ probably Group Calendar, as I've used it since 2.x, and haven't used GEM (merely because I switched guilds) |
| 05:15.07 | Xenok | in my ctrlaltdelte? |
| 05:15.16 | Xenok | 17,332k |
| 05:15.17 | Shirik | yeah what's cpu usage for javaw.exe |
| 05:15.21 | Shirik | not memory |
| 05:15.24 | Xenok | oh |
| 05:15.24 | Xenok | 00 |
| 05:15.27 | Shirik | ok |
| 05:15.36 | Shirik | so it's definitely a deadlock |
| 05:15.38 | Shirik | hit windows key + pause |
| 05:15.43 | Shirik | under "Computer:" what does it say? |
| 05:16.04 | Xenok | hold on |
| 05:16.34 | Xenok | I see no computer: |
| 05:16.44 | Shirik | at the bottom? |
| 05:17.02 | Shirik | where it says the speed of your processor |
| 05:17.03 | Shirik | that whole block |
| 05:17.07 | Xenok | just a sec |
| 05:17.34 | Xenok | 2.20 ghz, 512 ram |
| 05:17.45 | Shirik | ok, what's the line above it |
| 05:17.53 | Shirik | I have a better idea |
| 05:17.54 | Xenok | AMD athlon 3200+ |
| 05:17.56 | Shirik | you have nbs-irc |
| 05:17.58 | Shirik | type /cpu |
| 05:18.00 | Shirik | it'll do this |
| 05:18.01 | Shirik | cpu: AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 4400+, 2.21 GHz |
| 05:18.04 | Xenok | ok |
| 05:18.07 | Xenok | cpu: AMD Athlon XP 3200+ (Barton), 2.20 GHz |
| 05:18.36 | Xenok | you have better >_> |
| 05:19.16 | Xenok | what do I do about the brown screen? |
| 05:20.55 | Xenok | hmm config.wic wasn't there until I set it up.. do I just delete it? |
| 05:21.02 | leethal | Shirik: want me to test stuff for ya too? I'm on a AMD Athlon 64 bits 3200 thingie |
| 05:21.04 | Shirik | you can delete it |
| 05:21.12 | Shirik | if you want leethal, but are you on linux? |
| 05:21.14 | leethal | but with wow installed in win_drive/program files =P |
| 05:21.19 | leethal | ah, I have ubuntu here too |
| 05:21.25 | Shirik | I had some issues running it on linux but you can try it out |
| 05:21.33 | Shirik | um, let me upload the jars |
| 05:21.46 | Xenok | fixed brown screen |
| 05:21.52 | Shirik | what fixed? |
| 05:22.03 | Xenok | restarted app after deletein config.wic |
| 05:22.56 | Xenok | but now the littel white bars are like 1 bar thin instead of full sized |
| 05:23.05 | Xenok | width wise |
| 05:23.14 | leethal | booting ubuntu now |
| 05:24.03 | Shirik | leethal: http://code.google.com/p/wowiupdater/ grab the java archives and you should be able to run it with java -jar wowiupdater.jar |
| 05:24.31 | leethal | the zip? |
| 05:24.40 | leethal | uhm, dist.zip? |
| 05:24.48 | Shirik | yeah I would have done it in a tarball but I can't do that from here :( |
| 05:24.50 | leethal | I can check out the source too, if you want to |
| 05:24.56 | Shirik | if you want to grab the source that would work too |
| 05:25.07 | Xenok | hmmm shirik.. wowi updater works on wowi mods right? |
| 05:25.10 | Shirik | yes |
| 05:25.13 | leethal | using the zip |
| 05:25.19 | Shirik | but it doesn't know their UID automatically yet |
| 05:25.23 | Xenok | then I better remove some of the non wowi ones for now :P |
| 05:25.41 | Shirik | if you hit "resolve" then it should give you an option to remove it from the list |
| 05:25.47 | Xenok | I did |
| 05:25.59 | Shirik | this is what the screen really should look like: |
| 05:26.32 | leethal | there, app is running |
| 05:26.54 | Shirik | it ran? didn't work for me earlier :( |
| 05:27.12 | Shirik | I was getting some java exception from the library |
| 05:27.18 | leethal | issue - wow is installed in ~/.wine/drive_c |
| 05:27.24 | leethal | and hidden folders doesn't appear |
| 05:27.51 | Shirik | what it should look like: http://img148.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wowiupdater2nd4.png |
| 05:28.01 | Xenok | it bugged again |
| 05:28.09 | Shirik | yeah xenok I'm going to look at that tonight |
| 05:28.17 | leethal | Shirik: want me to add it as an issue to code.google.com? |
| 05:28.19 | Shirik | leethal: that may just be something I need to touch up |
| 05:28.20 | Xenok | oh wait.. it worked |
| 05:28.22 | Shirik | yeah please do so I don't forget ^^ |
| 05:28.24 | Xenok | It was different |
| 05:28.27 | Xenok | it was loading :P |
| 05:28.47 | Xenok | doh. no . its bugged |
| 05:28.49 | Nom- | hmmmmmm |
| 05:28.58 | Shirik | yeah xenok it might be some issue with multithreading I have to check out |
| 05:28.59 | leethal | you have a "filter" there - all files is the only option. Perhaps having "Hidden files" there makes sense |
| 05:28.59 | Nom- | does /aftercast break the #show stuff? :( |
| 05:29.04 | Xenok | hold on |
| 05:29.18 | Iriel | Nom- It shouldnt |
| 05:30.02 | Nom- | hmmm.... #show <spellname> should work right? |
| 05:30.08 | Shirik | xenok: if you have anything in your error.log file add it to http://code.google.com/p/wowiupdater/issues/detail?id=1&can=2&q= |
| 05:30.28 | Xenok | Shirik: no errors still |
| 05:30.35 | Xenok | shirik http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v80/cortez1212/000.jpg thats what I see |
| 05:30.37 | Shirik | then it's definitely a deadlock issue I just need to find it :/ |
| 05:30.43 | Xenok | its diff |
| 05:30.52 | Shirik | oooh |
| 05:30.59 | Xenok | thats the new bugg |
| 05:31.04 | Nom- | ah never mind there it goes |
| 05:31.13 | Nom- | #showtooltip was what I was after |
| 05:31.16 | Shirik | that's an issue with it being resized too big |
| 05:31.27 | Xenok | umm . and it won't lemme close it |
| 05:31.28 | Shirik | to try to fit all that text in there |
| 05:31.34 | leethal | oh, btw, brilliant idea! |
| 05:31.42 | Nom- | I don't suppose there's a %T type varable for the target of your spell? |
| 05:31.42 | leethal | when this is in a beta state, I'll use it =D |
| 05:31.55 | Nom- | Coz if you try to rez someone who has released, you can't /target them |
| 05:32.12 | Xenok | just click rez then click their body |
| 05:32.15 | Shirik | xenok do me a favor add that to this: http://code.google.com/p/wowiupdater/issues/list |
| 05:32.17 | Shirik | with screenshot so I don't forget |
| 05:32.25 | Shirik | and I'm going to go grab something to eat cause I haven't eaten all day ^^ |
| 05:32.29 | Shirik | be back in a bit, thanks for helping |
| 05:32.35 | Xenok | kk np |
| 05:33.12 | leethal | what a brilliant piece of software =D |
| 05:33.18 | leethal | no more manual shitty browsing for updates |
| 05:33.40 | Xenok | hehe yeah |
| 05:47.12 | Nom- | Shirik|Fooding: Here now |
| 05:51.25 | Xenok | heh discord art is confusing.. |
| 05:51.31 | Xenok | just some more learning |
| 05:51.32 | leethal | yes, very |
| 05:51.44 | leethal | took 3-4 month until I had a sensible discord UI |
| 05:51.56 | Xenok | ee |
| 05:51.57 | Xenok | eep* |
| 05:52.19 | Xenok | like.. how the heck do you get the selected texture to show up on your screen >< |
| 05:53.21 | Xenok | there has to be a tutorial somwhere on how to make a basic one >< |
| 05:53.52 | leethal | press enter =D |
| 05:54.01 | leethal | if it's those text field thingies you mean |
| 05:54.06 | leethal | where you enter the name of a texture |
| 05:54.18 | Xenok | hm |
| 05:54.46 | Xenok | I do that .. but... it stays in /dart XD do I need to code it somehow? |
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| 06:03.53 | leethal | so, how is your VC going? =D |
| 06:04.27 | Xenok | ... I decided to leave the alone for now lol |
| 06:04.38 | leethal | WRONG MEEEEEP |
| 06:04.41 | Xenok | lol |
| 06:04.43 | leethal | so, how is your VC going? =D |
| 06:04.46 | bleetah | ~lart Xenok |
| 06:04.51 | Xenok | not to good... |
| 06:05.08 | leethal | the sooner the better |
| 06:05.13 | Xenok | I forget why? |
| 06:05.21 | leethal | cause you'll have it version controlled |
| 06:05.31 | Xenok | and the benifit iiisss? |
| 06:05.33 | leethal | for one, you'll never loose stuff you do |
| 06:05.39 | leethal | unlimited undo, so to speak |
| 06:05.45 | leethal | also, you'll get more structured |
| 06:05.55 | leethal | you do that piece of foo, and commit to the repository |
| 06:06.05 | leethal | instead of randomly doing whatever you have in mind |
| 06:06.15 | Xenok | .. ill do it later :P |
| 06:06.34 | Xenok | trying to figure out /dart |
| 06:07.25 | Corrodias | i don't even know what discord art is! woo! |
| 06:08.56 | leethal | you can do stuff like this - http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/562/alienwareui2eq1.jpg |
| 06:09.17 | Shirik | that was... the slowest.. fast food... ever |
| 06:09.29 | Xenok | fast? |
| 06:09.36 | Corrodias | leethal: you just showed me a screen with what has GOT to be more than one addon installed |
| 06:09.42 | Corrodias | i really can't tell what dart is doing and what it isn't |
| 06:09.45 | leethal | yes, ofc |
| 06:09.55 | leethal | but it's mostly discord stuff |
| 06:10.01 | Xenok | thats a cool one leethal |
| 06:10.02 | leethal | discord art and discord frame manager |
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| 06:10.21 | leethal | now THIS is some ui O_o http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/410/explainedcq7.jpg |
| 06:10.33 | Corrodias | some of those certainly look nice |
| 06:10.49 | Xenok | LOL |
| 06:10.50 | leethal | http://www.discordmods.com/cgi-bin/forum_UI.pl?forum=UI&page=1&sortby=rating+DESC |
| 06:10.51 | Corrodias | i'm satisfied with what i use, though i wish it would look sleeker. i'm not enough of an artist to get it to look better, but it has the function i need. |
| 06:11.21 | Corrodias | that has to be the ugliest gnome i've ever seen |
| 06:12.01 | Xenok | interesting : http://www.discordmods.com/cgi-bin/showUI.pl?msgnum=1021 |
| 06:12.29 | leethal | ugly, but interesting =D |
| 06:12.41 | Corrodias | ugly like YOUR FACE? |
| 06:12.55 | Xenok | ROFL!! http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/7961/avatarvp7.jpg sorry.. dog lover |
| 06:13.14 | leethal | =D |
| 06:13.23 | leethal | Corrodias: no, ugly like YOUR MOM |
| 06:13.50 | Xenok | leethal: ugly like. no where im wanna see |
| 06:13.52 | Corrodias | my mom my ass |
| 06:15.09 | Xenok | holy ... omg .. .dummy: http://www.discordmods.com/cgi-bin/showUI.pl?msgnum=1114 read some of the post |
| 06:22.10 | Corrodias | which post? |
| 06:22.55 | Xenok | the *warning* in the main one |
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| 06:35.30 | Tem | Wow |
| 06:35.34 | Tem | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0h-RhyopUmc |
| 06:35.43 | Tem | that's awesome beyond words |
| 06:36.27 | Corrodias | oops, forgot to end the shoutcast stream... |
| 06:36.30 | Corrodias | i've been playing for 1333 minutes |
| 06:36.46 | Corrodias | *listening |
| 06:37.18 | Tem | you were so close! |
| 06:38.25 | pastamancer | lol |
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| 07:08.00 | Nom- | Iriel: Aftercast kind of works, but it fires off twice for a rez |
| 07:08.24 | Iriel | Nom- Interesting, I guess we'll see if 2.0 does |
| 07:08.38 | Iriel | So far it's mostly well behaved |
| 07:08.43 | Iriel | I hope to release it this weekend |
| 07:09.56 | Nom- | okies |
| 07:10.06 | Nom- | there's a lot of unrecognised event messages that i'm seeing |
| 07:10.16 | Iriel | yeah |
| 07:10.31 | Iriel | thats why i've got a 2.0 |
| 07:15.54 | Nom- | Fair enough :) |
| 07:16.04 | Nom- | If you want some testing done, i'll use it :) |
| 07:16.14 | Iriel | great thanks! |
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| 07:19.03 | leethal | what's THE damage meter around? |
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| 07:41.09 | Nom- | There are several, leethal |
| 07:41.22 | Nom- | Damage Meters, SW_Stats, and a whole heap I don't know of probably |
| 07:41.29 | leethal | mm |
| 07:41.33 | leethal | trying damage meters now |
| 07:41.38 | leethal | will try SW_Stats =D |
| 07:45.12 | Corrodias | Collidus the Warp-Watcher. http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=18694#z0z |
| 07:45.18 | Corrodias | "rare". can't find one. |
| 07:51.46 | Guillotine | leethal: I personally like SW_Stats ;) |
| 07:52.19 | leethal | mm.. this DamageMeter thingie was red, ugly and didn't work nicely with hunters and their pets |
| 07:53.06 | ZealotOnAStick | Use SW_Stats. |
| 07:53.13 | Guillotine | DamageMeter was really the original, and the external parts havn't changed all that much since |
| 07:53.28 | Shadowed | You wont really find any damage meter type of mods that can handle hunter pets |
| 07:53.38 | ZealotOnAStick | Just keep in mind, SW is very configurable, and you may not be happy with it until you've configured it to behave the way you wish. |
| 07:53.40 | Shadowed | since the names aren't unique and can be the same as the players |
| 07:54.04 | leethal | aw |
| 07:54.08 | ZealotOnAStick | Aside from cases of duplicated names, SW does pretty well with pets. |
| 07:54.11 | leethal | damn that combat log stuff |
| 07:54.25 | ZealotOnAStick | And it has like 4 or 5 different options for how pets are handled. |
| 07:54.28 | leethal | I wish blizz gave us proper events and ids for stuff, not just parsing strings in the combat log |
| 07:54.39 | Shadowed | they purposely don't give us ids |
| 07:54.43 | Guillotine | leethal: also, you could probably search for "damage meter" or "damage meters" on whatever site you're using for a full list of them |
| 07:55.39 | leethal | sw stats seems pro. Recognize it from all those first kill screenshots I've seen =D |
| 07:57.31 | Guillotine | time to clean up my addons folder. trying to stay below 100 but apparently I can't :( |
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| 07:58.08 | leethal | some addons are huge. Naturs cast bars is 5 folders, and addons like DBM too |
| 07:59.23 | Guillotine | I really can't wait for 2.1.0 |
| 07:59.32 | Guillotine | to see what addons are taking up the memory >< |
| 07:59.44 | leethal | oh, what's up in 2.1.0? |
| 07:59.57 | Guillotine | info on individual addon memory usage |
| 08:00.12 | Guillotine | anyway, g2g. gn all :) |
| 08:00.12 | leethal | *googles for patch notes* |
| 08:00.28 | Guillotine | just look at the sticky on US UI&Macros forums |
| 08:00.32 | Guillotine | patchnotes aren't out yet |
| 08:00.36 | Guillotine | just a couple UI things |
| 08:06.46 | nymbia | what's the GC pause in 2.1.0? 110? |
| 08:07.02 | bleetah | iirc, 120 |
| 08:07.34 | bleetah | there was a post by (cogwheel?) explaining the new GC, and slouken followed it up with the pause |
| 08:07.45 | Iriel | clad |
| 08:07.47 | bleetah | i'm intrigued as to what the cpu profiling's gunna do under wine |
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| 08:07.58 | bleetah | ah, clad.. sorry cog. |
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| 08:08.51 | bleetah | at least i got the first consonant correct :-D |
| 08:09.30 | nymbia | my guess is that the CPU profiling will just measure time spent, in which case it should work just fine in wine |
| 08:10.54 | leethal | autobar is the most usefull addon evah |
| 08:11.23 | bleetah | nymbia: keyword there being 'should' ;-) |
| 08:11.41 | nymbia | bleetah: fair enough. we'll see :) |
| 08:13.05 | bleetah | aye, really.. Blizz are pretty good towards us Winers :-D |
| 08:13.38 | Corrodias | blizz always caves to the winers |
| 08:14.03 | bleetah | true, not to the Winers, tho.. if they did, we'd have native linux client! :P |
| 08:14.16 | bleetah | *that may be true... |
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| 08:15.32 | bleetah | but, I guess by not officially supporting wine, they get their stuff happening on BSD etc. too, so it's actually easier for them to go this way |
| 08:16.23 | leethal | I wonder what OS they use for the servers |
| 08:16.48 | Corrodias | let's think... |
| 08:16.56 | bleetah | I wonder if p0f would tell me |
| 08:17.09 | leethal | concidered the downtime - windows server 2003? =P |
| 08:17.33 | leethal | and maintenance every Wednesday to defrag and run scandisc |
| 08:18.32 | Corrodias | i know it's popular to rag on windows for being unstable, and maybe vista deserves it |
| 08:18.43 | Corrodias | but after a few patches, the 2k/xp/2k3 line is quite fine |
| 08:18.45 | leethal | no idea how vista is tbh |
| 08:18.49 | leethal | looks quite nice though |
| 08:19.21 | leethal | but I'd rather use osx :O |
| 08:20.50 | leethal | I mean, instead of having something that pretends like being os x |
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| 08:30.48 | bleetah | hmm |
| 08:32.22 | Nom- | Iriel: Also, /aftercast is being triggered twice on rez |
| 08:32.24 | Nom- | dunno why |
| 08:32.33 | Nom- | hopefully fixed in 2.0 too |
| 08:33.59 | Iriel | should be |
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| 08:40.34 | bleetah | p0f reports: UNKNOWN [5792:46:1:60:M1420,S,T,N,W2:ZAT:?:?] (up: 902 hrs)... /shrug |
| 08:41.51 | bleetah | mind you, it also reports: 12.129.232.115:3724 - Linux recent 2.4 (1) (up: 903 hrs) |
| 08:43.11 | leethal | bleetah: woot? |
| 08:44.15 | bleetah | was only a brief run, wouldn't be suprised if that was just a report from some network load balancing tool |
| 08:50.50 | bleetah | it's a known fact they're AMD machines. Given the previous DB lockup issues, I'd almost stake my life on a claim that they were at one stage running Oracle 9 parallel DBs, and probably now running 10. |
| 08:51.49 | bleetah | If they'd used Solaris on AMD, Sun would've tried to advertise the hell out of it, so it's probably not that |
| 08:51.53 | bleetah | I'd be guessing RedHat |
| 08:52.18 | bleetah | hah! paching -> http://www.blizzard.com/jobopp/senior-oracle-database-administrator.shtml |
| 08:52.27 | bleetah | "5+ years enterprise experience in a true production environment as an Oracle database administrator utilizing Oracle 9i and 10g running on primarily on Red Hat Advanced Server 2.1 with the potential to move to HP-UX" |
| 08:54.47 | bleetah | nn Tem|Sleep |
| 08:54.53 | Tem|Sleep | night guys |
| 08:55.12 | ZOAS | Politics? |
| 08:56.25 | bleetah | ? |
| 08:56.40 | bleetah | oh, the HP-UX thing.. nah, pure bribery and corruption |
| 08:56.42 | leethal | "Worked with multiple large databases greater than 1 Terabyte in size" |
| 08:56.44 | leethal | nice |
| 08:57.53 | bleetah | project manager started shagging the 'local' HP rep, so the two years of work on Solaris machines went out the window, then we got criticised by the same manager for being behind in the project |
| 08:58.15 | bleetah | last I heard, he got done for fraud for something else |
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| 08:59.58 | bleetah | "Ability to write scripts in some administrative language (Tk, Perl, VBScript, a shell)." << VBScript?! argh |
| 09:01.52 | Corrodias | is there a significant difference between MSBT and SCT? |
| 09:02.33 | bleetah | Missionary Servants of the Most Blessed Trinity? :P |
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| 09:03.01 | Corrodias | i was thinking more MikScrollingBattleText |
| 09:03.09 | Corrodias | Mik is apparently too cool to use spaces |
| 09:04.15 | leethal | CamelCase ftw |
| 09:14.56 | Corrodias | so have none of you used both MSBT and SCT, or perhaps do none of you care enough to respond to me? :) |
| 09:16.03 | [Ammo] | the biggest difference I saw was the combination of things |
| 09:16.12 | [Ammo] | so when I dot lots of stuff |
| 09:16.30 | [Ammo] | I get Corruption 1034 [3 hits] |
| 09:16.36 | Nom- | purl: poke Shirik |
| 09:16.39 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Shirik, pokes Shirik repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 09:16.39 | [Ammo] | instead of a ton of spam |
| 09:16.39 | leethal | ay, msbt is better imo |
| 09:16.46 | [Ammo] | that's with msbt |
| 09:16.52 | Shirik | sec |
| 09:16.59 | [Ammo] | but sct has that added as of a few weeks now too I think |
| 09:17.21 | Corrodias | i see |
| 09:17.26 | [Ammo] | I found msbt easier to configure for my needs as well, but that's personal |
| 09:19.35 | Shirik | back |
| 09:19.40 | Shirik | sorry you caught me in the middle of a boss >< |
| 09:19.44 | Shirik | what did you need Nom- |
| 09:21.45 | Shirik | purl, poke Nom- |
| 09:21.48 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Nom-, pokes Nom- repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 09:24.20 | Corrodias | why do new characters always start with all addons enabled? |
| 09:24.31 | Corrodias | why can't they inherit the global addon settings? |
| 09:25.00 | Shirik | there's a global addon setting for enabling/disabling addons? |
| 09:26.15 | Nom- | i'm here |
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| 09:26.27 | Shirik | ah hi |
| 09:26.36 | Shirik | I was going to have you poke around with the updater earlier :P |
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| 09:29.59 | Corrodias | yes |
| 09:30.22 | Corrodias | if you turn off the "character-specific" setting on the addons enabling/disabling menu, as i recall |
| 09:30.29 | Shirik | ah, never played with that |
| 09:31.23 | Nom- | ah ok...is it actually in a working state, Shirik ? |
| 09:31.33 | Shirik | it's in a decent state to test |
| 09:31.35 | Nom- | coz i need to do a mod update run :P |
| 09:31.38 | Corrodias | all i ask from a nameplates customizing thing is the ability to differentiate opposing faction players who are flagged from those who are not |
| 09:31.49 | Shirik | for now you still have to supply it the UIDs though, it can't autodetect them |
| 09:31.59 | Shirik | dolby hasn't finished the xml for that yet |
| 09:32.31 | Nom- | fair enough |
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| 09:33.21 | Shirik | but I'm trying to start getting people to test it anyway because I need to know what works and what doesn't; just because it's working well on my computer means very little, it needs a wide audience |
| 09:33.26 | Shirik | especially because it's going to be platform independent |
| 09:33.27 | Corrodias | and i don't think "nameplates", the nameplates customizing addon, can do that |
| 09:34.10 | Shirik | http://code.google.com/p/wowiupdater/ if you want to check it; report issues there too |
| 09:34.22 | kaso | what was that about Nameplates? |
| 09:34.24 | Shirik | for windows, best bet is to use the installer |
| 09:35.15 | leethal | hey, can you set range on nameplates somewhere? |
| 09:35.19 | Corrodias | all i said was that the major problem i have with the blizzard default nameplates is that when an alliance character gets close, i can't tell if he's flagged or not just by looking at him |
| 09:35.34 | Corrodias | if i turn off the nameplates, his overhead text will be yellow/red if he is and blue if he isn't |
| 09:35.35 | leethal | I know you can set the range of tab targeting, so it seems likely that you somehow can change nameplates range too |
| 09:35.51 | kaso | i thought they stopped you changin the range on tabbing? |
| 09:35.58 | leethal | aw |
| 09:36.02 | leethal | "i know", then =P |
| 09:36.16 | Shirik | negative |
| 09:36.19 | Corrodias | what i want from a nameplates customization addon is the addition of that distinction into the system |
| 09:36.20 | Shirik | works for me |
| 09:36.23 | Shirik | just adjust the two cvars |
| 09:36.29 | kaso | ah didnt know that |
| 09:36.29 | Corrodias | but the current nameplates customization addon does not seem to have that distinction |
| 09:36.35 | Shirik | there is a limit on that though |
| 09:36.36 | Shirik | 1-50 |
| 09:36.47 | leethal | Shirik: any idea if you can haxx nameplates too? |
| 09:37.16 | kaso | i believe its impossible to find out corrodias, when you;re working on the nameplates you dont have UnitIDs for each plate (unless they are in your raid or somehow other easilbly indexable) |
| 09:37.22 | Shirik | that was a hot topic on the wow forums about a month ago |
| 09:37.36 | Shirik | the general consensus was that (1) it is most definitely possible, and (2) it's almost impossible to rely upon |
| 09:38.04 | Shirik | because they change so quickly and, while this couldn't be confirmed, it's lilkely that the way the frames work will cause them to switch around between players |
| 09:38.14 | Shirik | like at one point it will be on me, and then a few seconds later it jumps to leethal |
| 09:38.34 | Corrodias | a particular given nameplate frame, you mean? |
| 09:38.37 | Shirik | yes |
| 09:38.47 | Shirik | but given the general name it may definitely be possible to modify them all with the same modification |
| 09:38.59 | Corrodias | i do like having nameplates on, but i just can't afford to be uninformed about whether or not some guy is flagged |
| 09:39.16 | Shirik | we're talking about the nameplates that pop up when someone hits "v" right? |
| 09:39.27 | Corrodias | friendly players, too |
| 09:39.35 | Corrodias | is v the default keybind? |
| 09:39.37 | Shirik | there's another combo for that, like shift v or something |
| 09:39.39 | Shirik | v is default for enemies |
| 09:39.48 | kaso | Well for each frame all the infomation you can get is the unit's name, level and "default" reaction(red, blue etc) |
| 09:40.19 | Corrodias | is the name enough to go on to figure out if the person is flagged or not? |
| 09:40.34 | Shirik | I believe so, sec |
| 09:40.35 | Corrodias | maybe we could ask slouken to add in a "flagged" value in there |
| 09:40.39 | Corrodias | if it isn't |
| 09:40.44 | Corrodias | or if it's slow |
| 09:40.54 | Shirik | mmm no |
| 09:40.54 | kaso | the only way its remotely possible imo is if you had recently targgeted or moused-over |
| 09:40.59 | Shirik | you have to have the unit id |
| 09:41.18 | Shirik | and for enemy targets you wouldn't be able to get the flagged state via their name like you can with party/raid members |
| 09:41.31 | kaso | though tbh i think slouken might respond to a request to have them change by flag state, it seems like it "should" work like that |
| 09:42.03 | Corrodias | indeed. hovering name text does, so nameplates should reasonably also. |
| 09:42.25 | Corrodias | if i could get the health bar color to match the hovering name color, i'd be a happy guy |
| 09:42.47 | kaso | See this is never been a problem for me, pvp server >.< |
| 09:42.49 | Corrodias | although maybe having the name above the plate be the same color might help when the health isn't at full |
| 09:42.52 | Shirik | <3 pvp servers |
| 09:43.04 | Shirik | hmmm |
| 09:43.07 | Shirik | there may be another way |
| 09:43.08 | Shirik | I have an idea |
| 09:43.09 | Shirik | sec |
| 09:43.55 | kaso | __index in the metatable is only called when the key you're trying to index doesnt exist right? |
| 09:44.42 | Shirik | hrm |
| 09:44.44 | Corrodias | if i remember, yes |
| 09:45.03 | Shirik | I was going to say use SpellCanTargetUnit() to try, but that'll also check los :( |
| 09:45.12 | nymbia | kaso: yes |
| 09:45.14 | Shirik | kaso: yes, if the key exists in a table the metatable is ignored |
| 09:45.21 | kaso | darn |
| 09:45.31 | kaso | then i'll have to play around with __call i think |
| 09:45.44 | Shirik | you want to force using the metatable? |
| 09:46.37 | Shirik | how about getmetatable(table).whateveryouwanttoaccess |
| 09:50.19 | Corrodias | well, msbt might be worth playing with... but i've already got my sct setup how i like. i guess there would be no real reason to change except combining dots/hots into single messages |
| 09:51.35 | leethal | Corrodias: the biggest advantage is that crits in msbt really look like crits |
| 09:52.29 | Shirik | msbt? |
| 09:52.37 | leethal | miks scrolling battle text |
| 09:52.46 | Shirik | hmm haven't heard of it; is it new? |
| 09:52.50 | leethal | not really |
| 09:53.02 | leethal | not sure how new |
| 09:53.06 | leethal | not as old as sct though |
| 09:53.08 | leethal | but it rocks =D |
| 09:53.14 | Corrodias | what do you mean "really look like crits"? |
| 09:53.20 | leethal | they feel imba |
| 09:53.25 | Shirik | ha |
| 09:53.30 | leethal | they give you a "ooh, that was a cool crit" feeling |
| 09:54.14 | Corrodias | i see crits pretty well in my sct... and i shouldn't think too much of a crit, considering 25% of my attacks are one |
| 09:54.27 | Corrodias | every fourth thing is a big number |
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| 09:56.31 | Corrodias | if i want to request additional nameplates functionality from slouken... well, first off, it should be done by somebody who's actually familiar with the api |
| 09:56.37 | Corrodias | so i'm going to have to ask that one of you do it |
| 09:56.41 | Sstixrud | how would you do the equiv of a = {BLINK = variable} with table.insert(a, xxx) |
| 09:57.46 | Sstixrud | I just found mik's battle text today... it is bar far one of the coolest mods I have seen, right up there with x-perl |
| 09:58.02 | Sstixrud | bar/by far |
| 09:58.05 | Corrodias | with my cursory glance, it looks quite similar to SCT |
| 09:58.15 | leethal | ya, it is |
| 09:58.37 | Sstixrud | you can easily create custom notifcations tho :) |
| 09:58.55 | Nom- | Shirik: It's taking a long time to install update |
| 09:58.57 | Sstixrud | and the place/visual adjustments for text is very impressive |
| 09:59.04 | Sstixrud | place = placement |
| 09:59.08 | Shirik | which update? |
| 09:59.18 | Shirik | any addon in particular? |
| 09:59.36 | Corrodias | from what you've said, the only major differences, other than font options, are more obvious crits, sometimes combining multiple events into one (my quick test with mend pet combined four events into three), and custom notifications whatever those are |
| 09:59.38 | Shirik | I'm not sure if I actually need to adjust the unzip routine, it may be inefficient, but first I'm worried about actual implementation |
| 09:59.41 | Shirik | then I'll go back and check it |
| 09:59.44 | Sstixrud | anyone know if you can do the equiv of a = {name = value} with table.insert? |
| 09:59.49 | Shirik | But zip files are not at all easy to unpack |
| 10:00.05 | Shirik | and it actually has to unzip the file 3 times for synchronization, though it only writes it once |
| 10:00.24 | Shirik | that's inefficient I should really touch that up, but first things first |
| 10:00.37 | Shirik | Sstixrud: table.insert(a, n, {name=value}) doesn't work? |
| 10:00.41 | Corrodias | what's this about custom notifications? |
| 10:00.59 | Sstixrud | hmm haven't tried the {} part |
| 10:01.14 | Shirik | woah wait |
| 10:01.17 | Shirik | what are you trying to do |
| 10:01.24 | Shirik | are you trying to do a.name = value |
| 10:01.28 | Shirik | or a[n].name = value |
| 10:02.28 | Shirik | Nom- how long has it been running? In my tests I haven't had an unzip take longer than, say, maybe 30 seconds |
| 10:02.41 | Shirik | (the "installing addon" part is the unzipping) |
| 10:02.57 | Shirik | rather, that's the enumeration of the unzip |
| 10:03.05 | Shirik | after the initial part of the install, it should give you a real progress bar |
| 10:03.38 | Sstixrud | before I had UBVAR.DYNEVENTS.player.Heals[btn:GetName()] = {bleh=blah, foo=poo etc...} how would I do this with table.insert |
| 10:03.54 | Shirik | why not do it like that? |
| 10:04.17 | Corrodias | so... let's see... |
| 10:04.38 | Shirik | it would be something like table.insert(UBVAR.DYNEVENTS.player.Heals, [n,] {foo=bar}) |
| 10:04.40 | Sstixrud | because I have a for loop that runs this code, and I dont want to it to be additive not overwrite, leaving me with the last call of the loop :) |
| 10:05.19 | Shirik | where [n,] is optional |
| 10:05.57 | Nom- | hmm ok |
| 10:06.00 | Corrodias | Shirik, could you please post on whatever forum would be appropriate, asking Slouken to add "pvp flag status" checking to nameplates? i don't know enough about the api to phrase it intelligently, or to even know what we'd need. in fact, what would be ideal for me would be some way to determine what the color of the "hovering name text" for the plate's target would be |
| 10:06.10 | Nom- | it's saying Update Complete, but it's still "working" |
| 10:06.22 | Shirik | oh? |
| 10:06.28 | Corrodias | i'd be satisfied if the health bar and name could be that color |
| 10:06.28 | Shirik | take a screenshot so I can see what you're looking at? |
| 10:07.00 | Shirik | Corrodias: you just want the nameplates to show pvp flag status? |
| 10:07.10 | Shirik | or do you want an accessible api to tell current flagged status by name? |
| 10:07.12 | Corrodias | right now my pet's bar is green (hover text blue) and friendly flagged players' is blue (hover text green) |
| 10:07.34 | Corrodias | well, this is all in the context of nameplates... whatever would get the ball rolling |
| 10:07.40 | Corrodias | i know what i want, but not how to get there |
| 10:08.01 | Nom- | http://standen.id.au/pics/wowiupdater.jpg |
| 10:08.03 | Shirik | I can put it up there for you :) |
| 10:08.24 | Shirik | hrm |
| 10:08.28 | Shirik | it should be using 3 threads at once |
| 10:08.30 | Shirik | 5* |
| 10:08.39 | Shirik | open up your error.log file is there anything in it? |
| 10:09.12 | Shirik | oooh! |
| 10:09.17 | Shirik | You just tested something I couldn't test |
| 10:09.20 | Shirik | yey |
| 10:09.28 | Shirik | DHUD_Options is part of DHUD right? |
| 10:09.30 | Corrodias | you would put up the request for me? i'd appreciate that. :) then perhaps i can convince Shadowd (shadowed?) to work that into his addon |
| 10:09.34 | Nom- | yea it is |
| 10:09.42 | Corrodias | if and when slouken agrees and does it |
| 10:09.49 | Shirik | yeah it should try to interrupt that when it updates DHUD |
| 10:09.51 | Shirik | so they don't conflict |
| 10:10.05 | Nom- | error log is empty |
| 10:10.08 | Shirik | hrm |
| 10:10.24 | Shirik | did you close the application yet? |
| 10:10.39 | Nom- | still running |
| 10:10.40 | Shirik | I think it only writes at close, not sure |
| 10:10.50 | Nom- | ok just closed |
| 10:10.52 | Shirik | if it says "complete" then yes it's complete |
| 10:11.00 | Shirik | strange that the progress bar is still going |
| 10:11.12 | Nom- | still empty |
| 10:11.28 | Nom- | btw, you need to make sure it doesn't save to C:\Program Files on Windows |
| 10:11.33 | Nom- | Coz it'll break on Windows Vista |
| 10:11.45 | Corrodias | why, what did they change now? |
| 10:11.58 | Shirik | It should be trying to save in the working directory |
| 10:12.21 | Shirik | so clique never got processed, eh nom? |
| 10:12.30 | Nom- | nah was waiting fora threat |
| 10:12.32 | Nom- | thread even |
| 10:12.34 | Corrodias | Shirik, if you do make such a post, please give me a link if you would be so kind |
| 10:12.40 | Shirik | sure |
| 10:12.44 | Shirik | that is so wierd.. |
| 10:12.47 | Shirik | and you only had those 3 there? |
| 10:12.58 | Shirik | and did you cancel DHUD_Options or did it do it on its own |
| 10:13.14 | Nom- | ok well after i reloaded it, it has Drathal's HUD instead of DHUD |
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| 10:13.29 | Shirik | er... did you give it the right UID? |
| 10:13.41 | Nom- | I'll try Clique and see how it goes |
| 10:13.48 | Shirik | it should have made a backup for you btw |
| 10:14.26 | Nom- | that seemed to work a bit better...clique is trying |
| 10:14.34 | Nom- | hmm same scrollback thingy |
| 10:14.50 | Nom- | Update Complete. Current version: 2.4.5 [ ... ] |
| 10:14.54 | Shirik | so it says complete but the progress bar keeps going? |
| 10:15.06 | Nom- | yeah but it's not a proper progress bar |
| 10:15.14 | Nom- | it's just a solid block floating back and forth |
| 10:15.17 | Shirik | yeah it's an indeterminate progress bar |
| 10:15.34 | Shirik | if you run it again, it just says "addon up to date" ? |
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| 10:16.10 | Shirik | *sigh* I guess I have to install WoW on my laptop to give it some diversity in platforms |
| 10:16.23 | Shirik | this isn't going as well as I had hoped :( |
| 10:16.48 | Nom- | yea it does |
| 10:16.55 | Nom- | Addon is up-to-date and a full progress bar |
| 10:17.01 | Nom- | have to quit and reload tho |
| 10:17.14 | Shirik | so it's installing fine it just... grr |
| 10:20.31 | Shirik | I'm going to make a way to test the error log just to make sure it's writing ok |
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| 10:28.44 | Shirik | ..... oops |
| 10:28.49 | Shirik | it's totally not writing anything to the error log |
| 10:28.50 | Shirik | that's bad |
| 10:29.51 | Nom- | lol |
| 10:30.06 | Shirik | I think I need to make a shutdown hook to flush the file buffer, that's my problem |
| 10:30.13 | Shirik | and would explain why nobody's giving me error info |
| 10:36.03 | TC_Working | so so so tired |
| 10:36.44 | Corrodias | hmm. PallyPower apparently lets a raid leader assign paladin buffs to certain classes, from what i can tell. |
| 10:36.45 | TC_Working | ~tired TC_Working |
| 10:37.47 | Corrodias | that strikes me as pretty near useless. you might as well assign them by race. i have amusing examples, but someone might not like them. |
| 10:37.57 | leethal | indeed |
| 10:38.09 | leethal | prot warriors vs dps warriors, for instance |
| 10:38.43 | Corrodias | then you have druids, who can range from full melee to full magic casting |
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| 10:38.52 | leethal | idd |
| 10:38.57 | Corrodias | not a whole lot of help from any single buff for both roles, except maybe stamina |
| 10:38.57 | leethal | 100% silly |
| 10:39.05 | leethal | lol ye |
| 10:39.13 | Nom- | lol |
| 10:39.24 | Nom- | well given that pally buffs are all classes in a raid |
| 10:39.38 | Nom- | unless you can convice them to do single buffs, which are even more of a PITA |
| 10:39.51 | Corrodias | i don't understand |
| 10:40.25 | Corrodias | "pally buffs are all classes in a raid" |
| 10:40.25 | Nom- | The 15 minute buff versions buff everyone in your group or raid with the same class as your target |
| 10:40.35 | leethal | I wish you could set your char to be left handed |
| 10:40.40 | Corrodias | now that makes even less sense than usual |
| 10:40.44 | Nom- | so assigning them by class makes sense |
| 10:40.44 | Corrodias | what the hell was blizzard smoking |
| 10:40.51 | leethal | I'm left handed, and I'm always super confused when the HM weapon is in the right hand in the animations |
| 10:41.03 | Nom- | It's not like priest buffs where it's the whole group |
| 10:41.16 | Nom- | a pally buff can potentially effect 40 people in one cast (if they're all paladins) :) |
| 10:41.28 | Corrodias | by class... oh my god, what the fuck? omgwtf? bbq? |
| 10:41.50 | Corrodias | i can't even begin to imagine how you would organize paladin buffs the -right- way |
| 10:42.01 | Nom- | well there's a limited number of buffs :) |
| 10:42.04 | Corrodias | i take it you can only have one applied to you at a time |
| 10:42.12 | Corrodias | or this would not be an issue -- everybody gets all the buffs |
| 10:42.16 | Nom- | One blessing per paladin |
| 10:42.47 | Nom- | You typically do a mix of buffs based on class |
| 10:42.56 | Nom- | ie. Warriors get Light, Might and Kinga |
| 10:42.59 | Nom- | *kings |
| 10:43.16 | Nom- | Mages get Kings, Wisdom, Sanctuary |
| 10:43.27 | Nom- | s/Sanctuary/Salvation/ |
| 10:43.36 | Corrodias | getting slouken to add pvp flag info is one thing. getting blizzard devs to change a horrible mechanic like that is an exercise in futility |
| 10:43.57 | Corrodias | ...and an other thing. |
| 10:44.05 | Nom- | It works well as long as you have enough paladins to go around |
| 10:44.37 | Nom- | For a 25-man you want 3 to cover the *main* buffs |
| 10:44.37 | Nom- | There's sometimes overlap, but most of the time you can cover all of the buffs that a class needs |
| 10:44.37 | Nom- | ie. It's pointless giving rogues and warriors wisdom |
| 10:44.41 | Nom- | and pointless giving mages might |
| 10:44.50 | Nom- | It's only hybrids that are a problem |
| 10:45.08 | Corrodias | blizzard has a history of issues with hybrids |
| 10:45.13 | Corrodias | what, you haven't seen that video of a melee mage soloing ragnaros? ;P |
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| 10:45.21 | Pyrrhus | Sup all |
| 10:45.37 | Shirik | I finally see the problem >.> |
| 10:45.42 | Shirik | I have to be using java instead of javaw... |
| 10:45.48 | Shirik | what the hell is the difference, I don't know |
| 10:46.06 | Corrodias | one has a console output window and the other doesn't? other than that i'm not aware of one |
| 10:47.35 | Corrodias | do paladin single-target buffs last longer than 5 minutes at higher levels? |
| 10:47.40 | Shirik | well javaw won't take arguments at command line :( |
| 10:47.56 | Pyrrhus | Corr no they dont |
| 10:47.59 | Corrodias | what? that might explain why i had so much trouble with azureus |
| 10:48.02 | Pyrrhus | and the 15's are the same |
| 10:48.15 | Shirik | I just spent 15 minutes trying to figure out that problem >< |
| 10:48.20 | Pyrrhus | So how is everyone doing? |
| 10:48.36 | Shirik | meh |
| 10:48.37 | Corrodias | so unless you have multiple paladins trying to overlap buffs on different classes, you'd have to have a couple of paladins trying to refresh buffs on 25 people every 5 minutes. woo hoo. |
| 10:48.46 | Shirik | haha |
| 10:48.51 | Corrodias | i'd like to note at this point that i don't see why paladin buffs last only a few minutes |
| 10:48.53 | Shirik | 2 second GCD |
| 10:49.02 | Shirik | * 25 people = |
| 10:49.05 | Shirik | about 1 minute to buff |
| 10:49.07 | Shirik | so that makes a 4 minute buff |
| 10:49.13 | Pyrrhus | Agree Corr lol |
| 10:49.14 | Corrodias | afaik, the GCD on spells is 1.5s |
| 10:49.19 | Shirik | eh, I rounded :P |
| 10:49.25 | Pyrrhus | lol |
| 10:49.27 | Corrodias | on melee abilities, it seems to be 1s |
| 10:49.29 | Shirik | in any case, given the paladin has to take some time to target etc |
| 10:49.36 | Pyrrhus | Yea should be 30/1hour |
| 10:49.37 | Shirik | 2s is about right |
| 10:49.38 | Corrodias | maybe it's just because i'm "busier" that it seems shorter |
| 10:49.52 | Shirik | nah, I'd say single target buffs about 15 minutes |
| 10:49.53 | Pyrrhus | Umm for a paladin best mod ive found was pally power.. |
| 10:50.08 | Corrodias | we were just talking about pally power. that's what brought this up. |
| 10:50.16 | Pyrrhus | oh :) |
| 10:50.22 | Corrodias | i mentioned, in my ignorance of the paladin, that it looked absurd to assign buffs by class. |
| 10:50.23 | Pyrrhus | << came in late heh |
| 10:50.29 | Corrodias | i was then informed that that's how paladin buffs work. |
| 10:50.39 | Pyrrhus | Works well in bigger raids.. but 5 mans... meh lol |
| 10:50.45 | Corrodias | i was stunned, typeless for a few seconds |
| 10:50.59 | Pyrrhus | LOL |
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| 10:51.03 | Shirik | r |
| 10:51.04 | leethal | how do i put pet growl on the normal action bars? |
| 10:51.04 | Shirik | devenv |
| 10:51.06 | leethal | a macro I guess? |
| 10:51.10 | Shirik | oops >.> |
| 10:51.13 | Pyrrhus | Yea only way |
| 10:51.14 | Corrodias | probably, leethal |
| 10:51.24 | Pyrrhus | you cant like drag the spell and drop.. |
| 10:51.29 | Corrodias | man, i started a paladin alt, but now i'm glad he's just an alt |
| 10:51.29 | Shirik | leethal: pet growl? |
| 10:51.33 | leethal | someone that's bored write that macro for me, please *yawn* |
| 10:51.34 | leethal | Shirik: idd |
| 10:51.39 | Shirik | simple, /cast Growl |
| 10:51.41 | leethal | yay |
| 10:51.42 | Shirik | or better yet |
| 10:51.42 | Corrodias | i do NOT envy paladins the nightmare of trying to buff people |
| 10:51.50 | Shirik | type /cast [target=pettarget] Growl |
| 10:52.03 | Pyrrhus | err |
| 10:52.06 | Shirik | why don't you just have it on autocast? |
| 10:52.12 | Corrodias | mages, druids, priests, easy... cast "big expensive buff on every group whether they need it or not" |
| 10:52.17 | Pyrrhus | maybe /pet Growl |
| 10:52.25 | Shirik | both would work |
| 10:52.34 | Shirik | I use /cast cause it's easier for me to remember |
| 10:52.36 | leethal | it's growling all the time |
| 10:52.43 | Shirik | isn't that what you want? |
| 10:52.44 | Pyrrhus | So you wanna turn it off. |
| 10:52.45 | Corrodias | focus management is scaring me away from the hunter class again |
| 10:52.45 | leethal | waste of focus :o |
| 10:52.52 | Shirik | meh |
| 10:52.53 | leethal | ya, no auto growl. I'll growl when needed |
| 10:52.57 | Shirik | my pet can't hold aggro worth a dman |
| 10:52.59 | Pyrrhus | Umm.. |
| 10:52.59 | Shirik | damn* |
| 10:52.59 | Corrodias | Growl isn't like Taunt, leethal |
| 10:53.03 | Pyrrhus | I think in the pet book |
| 10:53.06 | Pyrrhus | if you right click it. |
| 10:53.10 | Corrodias | it doesn't give them aggro. it just increases threat by some amount. |
| 10:53.11 | Pyrrhus | will turn it off... |
| 10:53.20 | Pyrrhus | than if you left click on the pet bar will activate it |
| 10:53.24 | Shirik | max rank growl = ~600 points of aggro, that's i |
| 10:53.25 | Shirik | t |
| 10:53.28 | Shirik | it doesn't pull aggro off you |
| 10:53.30 | Pyrrhus | Try that lee |
| 10:53.44 | Corrodias | clicking on buttons during combat is noobish |
| 10:53.45 | Pyrrhus | dont remember... was having same issue on my hunter |
| 10:53.54 | Pyrrhus | well he could macro it.. |
| 10:54.04 | Pyrrhus | or get a bar mod to assign keys to pet functions |
| 10:54.14 | Pyrrhus | but in the actual spellbook |
| 10:54.19 | Corrodias | maintaining enough focus for growl every 6 seconds without smartpet is a hell i'm not eager to experience again |
| 10:54.20 | Pyrrhus | if he right clicks growl.. |
| 10:54.25 | Pyrrhus | should take it off auto cast |
| 10:54.40 | Pyrrhus | than he could just cast when he wanted to |
| 10:54.47 | Pyrrhus | with macro/assigned key |
| 10:54.50 | bleetah | if you're creating a macro growl to try to pull aggro of you, you may wanna see if the target mob is in melee range, and also cast.. er, disengage as well. |
| 10:54.52 | Corrodias | the whole hunter class tends to just piss me off. maybe i should put the hunter to bed and just play other classes. |
| 10:54.56 | leethal | ya, turning of auto growl is ez mode |
| 10:55.09 | leethal | I'm just tossing a growl when the pet is in melee range |
| 10:55.12 | leethal | that should do |
| 10:55.12 | Corrodias | actually, it's not the whole class |
| 10:55.14 | Corrodias | JUST pets. |
| 10:55.52 | Pyrrhus | So..... anyone found a good decursing mod yet.. other than smartdebuff? |
| 10:56.14 | leethal | yes |
| 10:56.21 | leethal | grid/perfectraid, and clique |
| 10:56.22 | Pyrrhus | do tell :) |
| 10:56.28 | Corrodias | pets with limited abilities that make them useless, pets with caster stats that make them inferior, focus management that makes them all cumbersome |
| 10:56.30 | Pyrrhus | never liked clique |
| 10:56.34 | bleetah | leethal: you'll prolly find if you've just critted the target heavily, or even mildly a couple of times, one growl won't do, even a growl and a disengage may not be sufficient. sometimes I just let the mob beat on me while the growl/diseng cooldown happen, then cast again. that pretty much also drops the aggro. if not, FD. then panic ;) |
| 10:56.38 | Pyrrhus | ill check perfrct raid |
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| 10:56.49 | leethal | got bm, intimidation ftw =D |
| 10:56.59 | bleetah | ah, yup.. that should work :) |
| 10:57.34 | Corrodias | Resist (Intimidation) / Immune (Intimidation) :o |
| 10:57.35 | Shirik | bleetah: You'll find that if I shoot the target... period, one growl won't do |
| 10:57.46 | Shirik | my pet = teh sux |
| 10:57.53 | bleetah | tho some mobs are immune/resist.. yeah, as corro said |
| 10:57.54 | Corrodias | it almost.... |
| 10:57.57 | Corrodias | hmm |
| 10:58.11 | Corrodias | what viability is there in a hunter who goes solo without a pet? |
| 10:58.20 | Shirik | sometimes I do that :P |
| 10:58.27 | Corrodias | can a marks/surv spec do things solo, effectively? |
| 10:58.29 | Shirik | I get pissed at him; if he dies, he stays dead sometimes |
| 10:58.39 | Shirik | you'd want to go pretty heavy into survival, but yes |
| 10:58.46 | bleetah | nor marks |
| 10:58.48 | bleetah | *not |
| 10:58.48 | Shirik | it's been done |
| 10:58.55 | Corrodias | pets cause 80% of my agony with the hunter class |
| 10:59.01 | bleetah | unless yer a real good kiter |
| 10:59.19 | Shirik | Nom- are you still here? |
| 10:59.43 | leethal | i love the pets |
| 10:59.50 | leethal | soloing everything |
| 10:59.52 | bleetah | Shirik: so what pet do you have? :P |
| 10:59.57 | leethal | and two days played on level 40 for the win |
| 10:59.59 | Shirik | a cat and a dog |
| 11:02.03 | Corrodias | yeah, well, EVEN if i ignore how blizzard hardly ever pays attention to the needs of hunter pets (lots of trash pets and the horrible levelling grind), the idea of focus management is giving me a headache |
| 11:03.04 | leethal | mm... |
| 11:03.10 | leethal | they should growl less |
| 11:04.01 | Corrodias | i want to make sure my pet can growl every 6 seconds. it's a common thing. there used to be addons for this. |
| 11:04.41 | Corrodias | but with bite & claw going all-out, it's entirely possible Growl won't have enough focus to go off. if i disable bite or claw, i may have extra focus that goes to waste, reducing dps. |
| 11:04.44 | bleetah | yes, but they were deemed to be automating play too much |
| 11:05.12 | bleetah | well, yes, you prolly should be disabling one of them, depending on the target mob and circumstance |
| 11:05.19 | Corrodias | i do recall that one patch specifically made it so that toggling auto-cast required a hardware event. it seems blizzard wants us manually managing focus. |
| 11:05.21 | bleetah | if not both |
| 11:05.29 | Corrodias | i don't know why blizzard thinks this is humanly possible. |
| 11:05.39 | Shirik | I don't bother to manage focus |
| 11:05.42 | bleetah | ... 'coz it is.. ? :-P |
| 11:05.45 | Shirik | I let growl run and that's it |
| 11:05.52 | Shirik | oh and prowl manually |
| 11:06.06 | Corrodias | bleetah: i am speaking with effectiveness in mind |
| 11:06.09 | Shirik | but that's just because he's too damn slow while prowling |
| 11:06.12 | ZealotOnAStick | *shrug* I came from an RTS background, where you'd be required to have some intense micromanagement in complex battles. |
| 11:06.24 | Corrodias | sure, i can just turn things off. i don't like that option. |
| 11:06.28 | ZealotOnAStick | It's doable, just onerous and tiresome. |
| 11:06.28 | leethal | then again.. a prot warrior has 15 skills he has to time perfectly 100% of the playtime |
| 11:06.35 | leethal | pretty much equally silly hard |
| 11:06.49 | Shirik | well |
| 11:06.52 | Corrodias | really? :o i haven't played one of those |
| 11:06.52 | Shirik | on the same note |
| 11:06.54 | Shirik | most warriors suck at it |
| 11:07.00 | leethal | idd |
| 11:07.06 | Shirik | ~idd |
| 11:07.15 | Shirik | what is idd? |
| 11:07.15 | leethal | indeed |
| 11:07.17 | Corrodias | watching a pet's focus bar jump up and down and trying to toggle autocasts with your mouse would drive me insane |
| 11:07.17 | Shirik | ah |
| 11:07.18 | leethal | urban dictionary for the win |
| 11:07.30 | leethal | haha, yeah |
| 11:07.42 | ZealotOnAStick | but of those 15 skills maybe 7 get any sort of regular usage and are, the majority of the time, of much point to use. |
| 11:07.48 | leethal | toggling autocasts with the mouse... aw, so damn boring |
| 11:07.56 | Corrodias | a druid's bear form is quite simple. lacerate, mangle, maul, swipe. poof. |
| 11:08.20 | ZealotOnAStick | Corrodias - why toggle autocasts, just change the pet bar key mappings? |
| 11:08.30 | Corrodias | i'm not sure about boring, but it's cumbersome, slow (as a result of cumbersome), and dangerous (as a result of slow) in combat. |
| 11:08.53 | bleetah | and make sure you don't hit the mob hard until the pet's got one, if not halfway to two, growls in |
| 11:09.14 | leethal | sunder, heroic strike, shield slam, revenge, thunder clap, demoralizing shout, hamstring, devastate, spell reflect, berserker rage and shield bash |
| 11:09.17 | Corrodias | ZealotOnAStick: i'm not sure i understand. is there a "toggle autocast on pet bar action 3" keybind? |
| 11:09.21 | leethal | and then the occasional taunt and mocking blow |
| 11:09.27 | leethal | and piercing howl if you're into that |
| 11:09.35 | Corrodias | leethal: perv |
| 11:09.37 | leethal | when I tank, I use all those skills pretty much every pull |
| 11:10.30 | leethal | it's not like I'm standing at a safe distance and spamming frostbolts =P |
| 11:10.57 | leethal | but, then again, I'm NOT right clicking pet action bars to enable/disable auto casting. that sucks more than paladin blessings |
| 11:11.12 | Corrodias | petextend gave us a keybind that would automatically enable or disable the autocasts to try to maintain focus, and i guess you just hammered on that key constantly :P |
| 11:11.24 | Corrodias | silly hunters |
| 11:11.30 | leethal | oh, I forgot disarm, concussion blow |
| 11:11.55 | leethal | and shield wall, last stand and challenging shout, but those have long cooldowns and donesn't count |
| 11:11.59 | leethal | doesn't* |
| 11:12.11 | Corrodias | sounds insane |
| 11:12.20 | leethal | battle shout too, of course, but I tent do screw that =P |
| 11:12.25 | ZealotOnAStick | Corrodias: I'm not sure at all if you can macro autocast toggles or not. I just meant remap the pet abilities to keys less out of the way and use them manually, rather than all this clicking of toggles. |
| 11:12.26 | Corrodias | like a loss of sanity. |
| 11:12.38 | Corrodias | that's an option |
| 11:13.01 | ZealotOnAStick | How many skills do you regularly use as a hunter for the majority of your combat? Will adding another 3-4 buttons make that unmanageable? |
| 11:13.40 | Corrodias | now maybe this is a personal failing, but i have enough trouble managing all the sorts of things a hunter has to do himself during combat. i don't think i could hammer the Claw, Bite, and Growl buttons every 2 seconds while watching the focus bar -and- keep an eye on combat while i do my regular stuff |
| 11:13.45 | Corrodias | ah.. let me think |
| 11:13.51 | leethal | that's the thing with the warrior class.. tons of abilities, and most of them with super low cooldowns |
| 11:14.05 | leethal | and yes, hunters are pretty busy in combat |
| 11:14.12 | leethal | especially in heroics and such. kiting, trapping etc |
| 11:14.46 | Corrodias | t, 2, 3, 4, sometimes 5, 6/7/8 (stings, not sure if i want them bound here), c1/c2/c3/c4/c5 (traps), s1, s2, s3, maybe more |
| 11:15.07 | Corrodias | i haven't played a high level hunter in a while, so i can't think off-hand of what the abilities up on my shift bar are |
| 11:15.32 | bleetah | to my mind, pet dmg (claw, bite etc.) are there to aide it holding aggro, not specifically for dps. hence, I don't use them .. even half the time |
| 11:15.38 | Corrodias | just managing the hunter character is pretty much the limit of my attention span |
| 11:16.29 | leethal | I'm having great fun leveling this hunter though =D |
| 11:16.38 | leethal | faaaaaaaaaaaaaast solo grinding :O |
| 11:16.52 | Pyrrhus | Mage is faster :) |
| 11:17.00 | Pyrrhus | <3 my mage |
| 11:17.38 | leethal | no one beats joana =P |
| 11:17.39 | Pyrrhus | Hey Lee |
| 11:17.45 | Corrodias | i know there's a reason we had these focus management tools. can Growl get... castblocked by the other skills, or will it always cast at least within a couple of seconds when some focus regenerates? |
| 11:17.47 | Pyrrhus | how does this perfectraid/clique work? |
| 11:18.04 | Pyrrhus | like I see all the bars listed there... but lets say a few people are cursed.. |
| 11:18.05 | leethal | Pyrrhus: perfectraid goes green/purple/blue/whatever when something is debuffed |
| 11:18.16 | Corrodias | perfectraid is some raidframes that will highlight people when they have debuffs you can cure (or at least, if it can't right now, it will in the future when clad has time to work that in) |
| 11:18.24 | Pyrrhus | me being a mage I would decurse.. does their bar glow.. or something?? and would I just click on the bar to decurse? |
| 11:18.29 | leethal | Pyrrhus: then you click that colored unit frame to debuff (with whatever click you configured. ctrl + left click for instance) |
| 11:18.32 | Corrodias | clique lets you alt-click or control-click or whatever on those glowing bars to make them go away |
| 11:18.40 | leethal | Pyrrhus: yes, the bar goes purple |
| 11:18.50 | Pyrrhus | well right now for raid bars I use simpleraid.. |
| 11:18.58 | Pyrrhus | and their bars glow like a purple color.. |
| 11:19.13 | Pyrrhus | so is that the same idea? |
| 11:19.21 | Corrodias | that might be enough, if that addon supports Clique |
| 11:19.21 | Pyrrhus | than use clique just like normal |
| 11:19.25 | leethal | yep |
| 11:19.41 | leethal | if the addon is coded somewhat sensible, clique should support it |
| 11:19.42 | Pyrrhus | ok.. I have also been trying the new smartbuff/dubuff fucntions.. |
| 11:19.55 | Pyrrhus | their debuff frame seems to work ok.. |
| 11:20.10 | Corrodias | how much focus does a pet regenerate, and at what interval? |
| 11:20.12 | Pyrrhus | like if someone is debuffed.. their little box turns completally blue.. with a big L |
| 11:20.32 | Pyrrhus | and I just left click their box.. and it decurses them without switching targets |
| 11:20.44 | Pyrrhus | :( /miss decursive lol |
| 11:20.49 | leethal | no, ctrl/alt/shift + left click |
| 11:20.57 | Corrodias | a regular click will target that person |
| 11:20.58 | Pyrrhus | yea with smart Debuff.. |
| 11:21.02 | leethal | I H A T E D E C U R S I V E |
| 11:21.04 | Pyrrhus | I just click.. dont need another key |
| 11:21.07 | leethal | stupid addon |
| 11:21.08 | Pyrrhus | why? lol |
| 11:21.11 | Pyrrhus | worked great |
| 11:21.13 | leethal | cause it's no fun |
| 11:21.15 | leethal | yes, too great |
| 11:21.16 | Pyrrhus | lmao |
| 11:21.20 | leethal | mashing a key is no fun |
| 11:21.21 | Pyrrhus | well |
| 11:21.26 | Corrodias | well, Pyrrhus, i suppose if the thing casts ALL of your debuffing spells at once |
| 11:21.27 | Pyrrhus | for me was great when leading raids... |
| 11:21.28 | leethal | and yes, I have a mage |
| 11:21.33 | Pyrrhus | you had to much to worry about as it was |
| 11:21.39 | leethal | kek |
| 11:21.44 | Pyrrhus | so.. |
| 11:21.45 | Pyrrhus | :) |
| 11:21.53 | leethal | "I wish there was an addon that gave me free epix so I didn't have to play the game" |
| 11:21.59 | Pyrrhus | nah Corr you have to click on each box that is blue :) |
| 11:22.07 | Pyrrhus | LMAO lee I see your point |
| 11:22.09 | Corrodias | but Pyrrhus, you sound like you like your current setup |
| 11:22.16 | Pyrrhus | but have you ever lead a 40 man raid? |
| 11:22.17 | Corrodias | what are you looking for? |
| 11:22.26 | leethal | Pyrrhus: yes |
| 11:22.29 | Pyrrhus | Just exploring options |
| 11:22.45 | leethal | Pyrrhus: and when I did that, I gave raid members tasks so that I didn't do all the work |
| 11:22.50 | Pyrrhus | trying to improve my whole UI setup |
| 11:23.09 | Corrodias | arr |
| 11:23.14 | Pyrrhus | Ill see if I can post a screenie up.. see if you guys can toss a few ideas :) |
| 11:25.38 | Corrodias | i don't think anybody likes my interface, including me. it's cluttered. |
| 11:26.38 | Corrodias | 25 focus every 4 seconds? |
| 11:26.53 | ZealotOnAStick | Corrodias, here's an idea . . . |
| 11:27.28 | ZealotOnAStick | Set up a castsequence prioritizing the order of the stuff you have in importance, with a modifier to reset it? |
| 11:27.40 | ZealotOnAStick | for the pet abilities. |
| 11:27.57 | Corrodias | castsequence, maybe |
| 11:28.06 | Corrodias | what about just having several /cast in a row? |
| 11:28.23 | Corrodias | if one doesn't work, it tries the next one, right? |
| 11:28.26 | Pyrrhus | doesnt work anymore |
| 11:28.29 | Pyrrhus | nope |
| 11:28.41 | Pyrrhus | tried that with my scorch and fireblast |
| 11:28.42 | ZealotOnAStick | Does for my trinket usage macro. |
| 11:28.51 | Pyrrhus | tried /cast fireblast /cast scorch |
| 11:28.57 | Pyrrhus | trinkets are diffrent |
| 11:28.59 | ZealotOnAStick | but it'll bitch and throw error messages all the time. |
| 11:29.02 | Pyrrhus | they dont trigger gcd |
| 11:29.22 | Pyrrhus | and trinkets can use the /use macro |
| 11:29.33 | Pyrrhus | like /use trinker, /cast spell |
| 11:29.42 | Pyrrhus | 2 diffrent functions |
| 11:30.21 | Corrodias | works for me, /cast Growl /cast Claw |
| 11:30.24 | Pyrrhus | can you guys check out my UI and .. I guess critisize it? |
| 11:30.31 | Corrodias | first time casts Growl, second time while Growl is on cooldown it casts Claw |
| 11:30.33 | Pyrrhus | http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/6493/uiscreenrh4.jpg |
| 11:30.47 | Pyrrhus | Wouldnt work for my fireblast scorch macro.. |
| 11:31.11 | Pyrrhus | and you just used /cast spell next line /cast spell? |
| 11:31.20 | Corrodias | yeah. i'll test again |
| 11:31.23 | Pyrrhus | hmm |
| 11:31.25 | Pyrrhus | wtf |
| 11:31.26 | Pyrrhus | lol |
| 11:31.30 | Corrodias | it's hard to test for sure on mobs that die in 3 seconds |
| 11:31.31 | Pyrrhus | not fair |
| 11:31.34 | Pyrrhus | yea |
| 11:31.39 | Corrodias | let's take this to the barrens |
| 11:31.39 | Pyrrhus | but.. |
| 11:31.51 | Pyrrhus | is your pet auto attacking the claw? |
| 11:31.58 | Corrodias | no, i turned autocast off on both of them |
| 11:32.02 | Pyrrhus | hm |
| 11:32.03 | Pyrrhus | lol |
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| 11:32.09 | Pyrrhus | Pets might be diffrent |
| 11:32.18 | Pyrrhus | Ill have to try on my mage when I get home |
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| 11:32.35 | Corrodias | i can test with Arcane Shot & Concussive Shot? |
| 11:32.44 | Pyrrhus | yea |
| 11:32.46 | Pyrrhus | try it |
| 11:32.57 | Pyrrhus | anyone see my UI? |
| 11:33.23 | Pyrrhus | gee thx lol |
| 11:33.36 | Corrodias | oh, hang on |
| 11:33.49 | Corrodias | very different setup from mine |
| 11:35.14 | Pyrrhus | Any ideas to make it more efficient? |
| 11:37.05 | Corrodias | what happens when you have more than, say, 9 buffs? |
| 11:37.21 | Pyrrhus | lol |
| 11:37.31 | Pyrrhus | I move the raid frames down a bit lol |
| 11:37.53 | Pyrrhus | its easy with sRaidframes |
| 11:38.03 | Pyrrhus | I just move Grp 1 and use the predifined verticle layout |
| 11:38.11 | Pyrrhus | it snaps all the groups |
| 11:38.14 | Pyrrhus | to the right loc |
| 11:38.23 | Pyrrhus | sorta locks them to grp 1 |
| 11:38.27 | Corrodias | helps if i have some arrows |
| 11:38.40 | Pyrrhus | arrows? |
| 11:39.02 | Corrodias | to try concussive shot & arcane shot |
| 11:39.07 | Pyrrhus | ahh lmao |
| 11:39.10 | Pyrrhus | go make some |
| 11:39.11 | Pyrrhus | :) |
| 11:39.12 | Corrodias | i'm in the process of deleting this hunter |
| 11:39.18 | Corrodias | i had stripped him of most of his inventory |
| 11:39.23 | Pyrrhus | heh |
| 11:39.30 | Pyrrhus | I have a 29 hunter twink |
| 11:39.33 | Pyrrhus | fun fun |
| 11:40.26 | Pyrrhus | so whats your main class corr? |
| 11:40.39 | Pyrrhus | err.. any suggestion for the ui? ;) |
| 11:41.43 | Corrodias | druid |
| 11:41.49 | Corrodias | no suggestions, sorry |
| 11:41.55 | Pyrrhus | aww lol |
| 11:42.14 | Corrodias | this is bizarre. i'm getting <Enter Combat> and such text going up, but i can't imagine what addon is doing it |
| 11:42.32 | Pyrrhus | the in game scrolling combat text? |
| 11:42.40 | Pyrrhus | in the interface options under advanced? |
| 11:42.42 | Corrodias | eh? maybe something turned that on? |
| 11:42.47 | Pyrrhus | maybe |
| 11:42.54 | Corrodias | that's right! thanks |
| 11:42.59 | Corrodias | msbt did it, surely |
| 11:43.24 | Corrodias | anyway, /cast Concussive Shot then /cast Arcane Shot doesn't seem to work |
| 11:43.39 | leethal | global cooldown, ya? |
| 11:43.54 | Corrodias | na |
| 11:44.07 | Corrodias | i'm talking about using that to fire Arcane Shot while Concussive Shot is on cooldown |
| 11:44.27 | Corrodias | apparently Pyrrhus was fully correct when he said that doesn't work now, although it appears it still works for pet skills |
| 11:44.51 | Corrodias | actually |
| 11:45.16 | Corrodias | pets don't have a global cooldown. |
| 11:45.44 | Corrodias | he's doing a Growl & Claw on the same button press, then keeps doing Claw each time i press it until Growl is ready again |
| 11:46.37 | Corrodias | maybe it does have a cooldown and growl doesn't trigger it... but anyway, i need to teach him bite for the final test |
| 11:47.00 | Corrodias | and for that i need to increase his loyalty |
| 11:49.12 | Corrodias | so it looks like a hunter pet regenerates 25 focus every 4 seconds, is that correct? not counting the talent that increases it |
| 11:49.23 | leethal | bah. it's annoying that wowinterface.com requires admin confirmation on every change you do on a project |
| 11:49.28 | leethal | at curse gaming it's instant |
| 11:50.43 | leethal | Pyrrhus: btw, at that interface of yours. Why not use cryolysis for portals/food/water? |
| 11:51.27 | Shirik | bleetah around? |
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| 11:52.25 | gawa | hello |
| 11:52.53 | Shirik | hi |
| 11:52.59 | gawa | i need some help ... |
| 11:53.06 | Shirik | I need some cookies |
| 11:53.11 | leethal | I need some |
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| 11:53.23 | gawa | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:53.26 | leethal | hey, read the topic |
| 11:53.30 | Shirik | read the topic please |
| 11:53.39 | gawa | oops sorry |
| 11:53.47 | leethal | nobody does that anyway -_- |
| 11:54.12 | Shirik | see I think topics and stickies are actually counter-productive |
| 11:54.21 | Shirik | nobody ever reads them, therefore it's just hiding information more |
| 11:54.41 | zenzelezz | what would you rather do, spam-bot whenever someone joins? |
| 11:54.47 | Shirik | I was actually about to say that |
| 11:55.01 | Shirik | not that it's a good idea, but it would get the job done :P |
| 11:55.02 | Corrodias | in this new version, SCT is showing messages like "Miss (112)" |
| 11:55.06 | Corrodias | how does miss get a value? :o |
| 11:55.15 | Shirik | absorb damage? |
| 11:55.23 | Corrodias | that would be "Absorb" |
| 11:55.32 | Shirik | damage absorption comes in as CHAT_MSG_COMBAT_MISSES though |
| 11:55.35 | Corrodias | maybe it's just projecting your average damage of the attack... |
| 11:55.39 | Shirik | perhaps |
| 11:55.49 | Corrodias | i know, but SCT shows Absorb when that happens |
| 11:55.56 | Shirik | yeah I was just thinking it might be a bug :P |
| 11:55.57 | Corrodias | actually, i don't know. i'm just saying it doesn't matter. |
| 11:56.05 | Corrodias | well, this is on a Stag. i'm sure it's a miss. |
| 11:56.53 | leethal | "nobody ever reads them, therefore it's just hiding information more". that's the most clever thing I've heard in ages |
| 11:57.00 | bleetah | Shirik: kinda, gunna be horizontal rsn tho |
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| 11:57.42 | Shirik | ok well just thought I'd throw out there that I think I fixed the hidden files issue so whenever you get a sec, download the new jar archive zip and check it out for me ^^ |
| 11:57.46 | Shirik | which I haven't uploaded yet |
| 11:59.46 | Sstixrud | How would one end the current interation in a "for k,v in pairs" loop. i.e. move to the next cycle |
| 12:00.21 | bleetah | shirik: either way, that's about how long you've got... alternatively, /msg me a URL and I'll check it in the morning |
| 12:00.22 | Sstixrud | break stops the loop all together right? Not just the current cycle |
| 12:01.16 | Shirik | correct |
| 12:01.23 | Corrodias | i guess i'll just revert my SCT to a previous version o.o |
| 12:01.29 | Corrodias | all miss and parry events have (112) after them |
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| 12:02.24 | Shirik | that's awesome |
| 12:02.25 | zenzelezz | maybe you just miss and parry a whole lot of times successively |
| 12:02.41 | Shirik | there's gotta be a way to turn it off |
| 12:03.04 | gawaa | ok, i just used the wowi.pastey.net site to post my code, anyone can help me please ? |
| 12:03.13 | Shirik | you need to give us the url |
| 12:03.49 | gawaa | http://wowi.pastey.net/8071-1u8g |
| 12:04.39 | Corrodias | i wonder if the pet auto-casts activate in a particular order |
| 12:05.21 | leethal | i investigated |
| 12:05.24 | leethal | it seemed pretty clever |
| 12:06.07 | leethal | when my level 40 pet attacked a 42 mob, it growled a lot more than when attacking a level 38 mob |
| 12:06.59 | Shirik | gawaa: Don't use targetHealth==0 |
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| 12:07.20 | gawaa | whatelse ? |
| 12:07.26 | Corrodias | if it always Growls first when there's enough focus, the only "problem" is that if you get unlucky on the cooldown timing, a growl could take an extra 4 seconds before it will cast while it waits for more focus |
| 12:07.34 | Shirik | use UnitIsDead("target") |
| 12:08.01 | Corrodias | it's hard to test with this +100% focus regen talent and no Bite. that is, it's impossible. |
| 12:08.04 | gawaa | ok, great thanks, i go and try it |
| 12:09.27 | Corrodias | leethal: could you PLEASE tell me how much focus a pet regenerates at each tick, and how far apart the ticks are? |
| 12:10.01 | leethal | huhm |
| 12:10.07 | leethal | I'll check =D |
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| 12:10.16 | gawaaa | ok, great thanks, i go and try that |
| 12:10.20 | leethal | I have the talent though |
| 12:10.24 | leethal | for imba focus regen |
| 12:10.53 | Corrodias | yeah yeah. 48 focus. so the normal must be 24? |
| 12:11.16 | leethal | guess so |
| 12:11.41 | leethal | hmm.. |
| 12:11.49 | leethal | "Increases the focus regeneration of your pets by 100%" |
| 12:12.09 | leethal | that means the amount of focus, and not the tick timer? |
| 12:12.14 | Corrodias | "With Bestial Discipline Rank 2, your pet will be generating 50 focus every 4 seconds, or 100 focus (full bar) every 8 seconds." |
| 12:12.23 | Corrodias | this doesn't seem to be correct. it is 48 from my math, not 50 |
| 12:12.34 | Shirik | pet focus regeneration is supposed to be equivalent to rogue energy |
| 12:13.02 | Shirik | according to wowwiki, rogue energy is 20/tick |
| 12:13.19 | Shirik | that may or may not be accurate; it doesn't seem to be mentioned as accurate |
| 12:13.23 | Shirik | it was just a side note |
| 12:13.34 | Shirik | tick being 2 sec |
| 12:13.45 | Corrodias | it serves the same function |
| 12:13.54 | Corrodias | however, it is definitely only every 4 seconds, and it's not 20 focus |
| 12:14.10 | Shirik | hm |
| 12:14.16 | Shirik | don't ask me I just tell you what I read :P |
| 12:14.20 | leethal | i want to say "bah, just play the game" now |
| 12:14.55 | leethal | but I guess I'm not enough hunter yet, I'm all into theorycraft for warriors, my main's class |
| 12:15.18 | Corrodias | i've spent more time reading about hunters and agonizing over my build than actually playing one. or i like to say that, anyway |
| 12:15.29 | Corrodias | i've probably spent more time playing, really |
| 12:15.41 | Shirik | I say you should go 0/61/0 |
| 12:16.10 | Corrodias | 0/0/60 |
| 12:16.16 | Corrodias | with one point for flavor? no, 61 |
| 12:16.43 | Shirik | 1 point in MM to get the worthless, overused imp. concussive shot |
| 12:19.18 | Corrodias | according to this forum, "If it's not the only ability on autocast it still doesn't mean that growling is delayed by up to 4 seconds because it has to wait for the focus refill. In fact, Growl will be used first if it is leftmost on your pet bar as long as there is at least 15 focus remaining." |
| 12:19.26 | Corrodias | could be outdated, but i doubt that would change |
| 12:19.46 | Shirik | that's a BS post |
| 12:20.00 | Shirik | the only time it will be used "first" is the very beginning |
| 12:20.03 | Shirik | when you have 100 focus anyway |
| 12:20.08 | nevcairiel | why did they call it focus and not energy anyway? |
| 12:20.13 | Corrodias | i think he's talking about upon a focus tick, Shirik |
| 12:20.17 | Shirik | at any other point in time, you will never have two abilities ready to use |
| 12:20.21 | Corrodias | when it could choose to cast Growl or Claw. or Bite. |
| 12:20.22 | Shirik | at the same time |
| 12:20.28 | bleetah | nn all |
| 12:20.31 | Shirik | doesn't bite take 40 focus? |
| 12:20.32 | bleetah | be nice to everyone :) |
| 12:20.34 | Shirik | night |
| 12:20.37 | Corrodias | a pet's focus regenerates every 4 seconds |
| 12:20.42 | Corrodias | the cooldown on Claw is -way- shorter |
| 12:20.51 | Shirik | maybe 30 focus |
| 12:20.54 | Shirik | in any case it's more than a growl |
| 12:21.05 | nevcairiel | how much focus do you get per tic then? |
| 12:21.07 | Shirik | thus, if you're waiting for focus regen, of course growl will be used first - it costs less |
| 12:21.28 | Corrodias | imagine this: cast claw. energy is at 8. you're waiting... claw is ready. another second... Growl's cooldown has finished also. another second... boom, you get 24 (or 25) focus |
| 12:21.54 | Shirik | hm |
| 12:21.56 | Corrodias | now growl and claw are both ready to autocast, but you have only 32 focus |
| 12:22.00 | Shirik | ok |
| 12:22.08 | Shirik | point taken |
| 12:22.30 | Corrodias | if the game does prioritize growl, or a particular slot on the pet bar into which i can PUT growl, then i guess i'm satisfied without any focus management on my part |
| 12:22.48 | Shirik | there used to be a great mod to do it |
| 12:22.53 | Corrodias | yeah :( |
| 12:23.00 | Shirik | would disable abilities if there wasn't enough to guarantee a growl after its cast |
| 12:24.01 | Corrodias | SmartPet |
| 12:24.14 | Shirik | that's it |
| 12:24.16 | Corrodias | blizzard wasn't too thrilled with that one, apparently |
| 12:24.22 | Shirik | heh |
| 12:24.37 | Shirik | we can't have pets thinking for themselves! It's not like they have brains or something! |
| 12:25.14 | gawaaa | with UnitIsDead("target"), my message appear only when i click on the dead boddy, not when the player is diing... anymore help please ? |
| 12:25.38 | zenzelezz | well, player isn't dead when it's dying... |
| 12:25.43 | Corrodias | gawaa: play Star Wars: Galaxies |
| 12:26.13 | Shirik | the alternative is that you register for a CHAT_MSG_COMBAT_HOSTILE_PLAYER_DEATH event |
| 12:26.43 | Shirik | CHAT_MSG_COMBAT_HOSTILE_DEATH ** |
| 12:26.53 | Corrodias | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html;jsessionid=96532EE8B042A349AE6F7C9ABF39DE8F?topicId=75378114&postId=751723884&sid=1 |
| 12:26.53 | gawaaa | i tried with that one, what "arg" should i recieve ? this event dont appear |
| 12:27.10 | Pyrrhus | quick question.. |
| 12:27.20 | Pyrrhus | havent used irc stuff in a few years.......... lol |
| 12:27.30 | Shirik | "arg1" which you shouldn't be using anymore, will be something like "Shirik dies." |
| 12:27.31 | Corrodias | this thread is a bunch of hunters generally agreeing with each other that the priority on skills appears to be "growl, skills with cooldown, spammable skills" |
| 12:27.36 | Pyrrhus | you do you quick add a persons name to the front of your text? |
| 12:27.46 | Shirik | type the first few letters and hit tab |
| 12:27.51 | Corrodias | depending on your client |
| 12:27.54 | Pyrrhus | ahh |
| 12:27.56 | Shirik | (for most clients |
| 12:28.02 | Shirik | he's on mirc |
| 12:28.05 | Pyrrhus | leethal: you still there :) |
| 12:28.06 | Shirik | so yeah, that's how you would do it |
| 12:28.11 | Pyrrhus | ty ;) |
| 12:28.29 | Pyrrhus | been so long since I used any irc chats |
| 12:28.48 | Shirik | dude |
| 12:28.50 | Shirik | why are you awake |
| 12:29.12 | Shirik | it's 7:30 |
| 12:29.42 | Pyrrhus | Network admin.. we work 24hrs/day |
| 12:29.50 | Shirik | I totally hear ya there |
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| 12:30.18 | Pyrrhus | so when I get bored I research UI's and what not |
| 12:30.39 | Pyrrhus | was on wiki and seen the option for chat here so.. :) here I am lol |
| 12:30.50 | Pyrrhus | So why are you awake? |
| 12:31.18 | Shirik | Mostly because I do my best coding when there's no distractions |
| 12:31.22 | Shirik | but really, because I have no life |
| 12:33.34 | Corrodias | question: Misdirection, Multishot. does Multishot count as 1 of the 3, or all 3? |
| 12:33.52 | Shirik | 1 |
| 12:34.18 | Corrodias | so it's all aimed shot, arcane shot, multishot? or it would be if autoshot didn't sneak in there without your permission |
| 12:34.37 | Shirik | I typically do, for pulls, aimed shot, distracting shot, multishot. If it's not ap ull, I do Multishot, arcane shot, distracting shot |
| 12:34.47 | Shirik | s/ap ull/a pull/ |
| 12:35.09 | Shirik | and I do that while moving typically |
| 12:35.16 | Shirik | well, moving when I can to not interrupt the cast |
| 12:35.18 | Corrodias | aaah |
| 12:35.20 | Shirik | so that the autoshot doesn't fire |
| 12:46.32 | gawaaa | http://wowi.pastey.net/8074 anymore help please ? |
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| 12:51.22 | gawaaa | none as an idea ? |
| 12:51.35 | gawaaa | noone have an idea ? |
| 12:53.48 | Corrodias | does a deep survival build actually have viability? |
| 12:54.08 | Corrodias | sorry, gawaaa, i know nothing about events like that |
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| 12:54.31 | Corrodias | you could just DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(arg1) |
| 12:54.34 | Corrodias | see what you get out |
| 12:54.53 | gawa | http://wowi.pastey.net/8074 , my computer crashed ... anyone can help please ? |
| 12:55.07 | gawa | i tryed that too, no message appear |
| 12:55.16 | Corrodias | then apparently that event is not happening |
| 12:55.24 | gawa | argh |
| 12:55.31 | Corrodias | or your frame is not receiving notification of the event |
| 12:55.45 | Corrodias | or the frame's onevent handler doesn't call that function |
| 12:55.52 | Corrodias | *function or code |
| 12:55.55 | gawa | my frame recieve other notifications |
| 12:56.13 | gawa | whatelese function i can use so ? |
| 12:56.50 | Corrodias | did you RegisterForEvent("CHAT_MSG_whatever? |
| 12:57.00 | Corrodias | and the OnEvent code executes that stuff? |
| 12:57.13 | gawa | yes, i registered it |
| 12:57.32 | gawa | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:57.58 | Corrodias | well, i don't know what else to say |
| 12:58.17 | leethal | if you try to add a message outside of the whole block? |
| 12:58.22 | Corrodias | it sounds like you know how to make the frame do things when events happen, but that event isn't happening or you're messing up somehow in catching it |
| 12:58.24 | leethal | what happens then? Still no message? |
| 12:58.34 | leethal | perhaps the onEvent istelf is troublesome |
| 12:58.38 | gawa | if a message is outside the block, it works |
| 12:59.24 | leethal | what about the if arg1 stuff? |
| 13:00.01 | gawa | |
| 13:00.01 | gawa | If you provide the killing blow, you may or may not get a 'unit dies' event but you will get a 'slain unit' event, the 'slain unit' event is fired before the 'unit dies' message is, if you do not provide the killing blow you will get a 'unit dies'. |
| 13:00.01 | gawa | Fired when any hostile NPC or player dies near you. |
| 13:00.01 | gawa | arg1 |
| 13:00.01 | gawa | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:00.03 | gawa | Fired when you are the killing blow against any NPC or player |
| 13:00.05 | gawa | arg1 |
| 13:00.07 | gawa | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:00.22 | gawa | i'm just thinking to give up |
| 13:00.37 | leethal | uhm |
| 13:00.59 | leethal | what happens if you add a message inside that if (event = foo) block directly, outside of the if arg1 stuff? |
| 13:01.30 | gawa | inside of the arg1, nothing |
| 13:01.39 | gawa | outisde ... same ... |
| 13:01.47 | gawa | so maybe that event never appear |
| 13:01.58 | leethal | and this is inside an onEvent thingie? |
| 13:02.20 | gawa | nah |
| 13:02.37 | leethal | anyways, this is how I do it: http://wow-afktell.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/ |
| 13:02.40 | Corrodias | <OnEvent>, in the xml |
| 13:02.44 | Corrodias | you need something there |
| 13:03.12 | gawa | hummm |
| 13:03.33 | gawa | it's allready in the .xml ;( |
| 13:03.45 | Corrodias | the code in the <onevent> tag is what is called when an event for which the frame has registered occurs |
| 13:04.05 | Corrodias | if that code does not, at some point, call the code you gave us, it'll never happen |
| 13:04.32 | leethal | gawa: take a look at http://wow-afktell.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/. No frameworks used, and pretty simple stuff |
| 13:04.43 | leethal | (some weird code in there though, so don't copy paste =P{ |
| 13:04.44 | gawa | okee, thanks |
| 13:04.58 | Corrodias | i'm off to sleep. |
| 13:05.16 | gawa | night, and thanks for all :) |
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| 13:21.20 | Nom- | Any alternatives to TheoryCraft that work in 2.0 ? |
| 13:21.26 | Nom- | TC2 seems pretty buggy still |
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| 13:22.53 | Nom- | oo new version |
| 13:22.55 | Nom- | might be ok now |
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| 14:21.18 | Had | Hi |
| 14:21.31 | Shirik | hi there |
| 14:27.06 | Had | have any1 screenshot of bloodthistle?? plx...upload it somewhere asi imageshack,...or send wowviewer file when u have it... |
| 14:28.23 | wobin | it kinda looks like a large mageroyal =P |
| 14:29.27 | Had | ok..:) and where i can get files to wowviewer..im not very good at using google |
| 14:30.20 | wobin | can't help you there, I'm afraid =) |
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| 16:24.29 | cogwheel | My first JC recipe with a random enchant and it's of the monkey... i'm a priest :( |
| 16:25.08 | zenzelezz | BoP? |
| 16:25.17 | cogwheel | thankfully, no :P |
| 16:26.08 | zenzelezz | I never got more than two pieces of the dark iron set, but I was worried I'd end up getting Dark Iron Boots of the Owl or something like that |
| 16:26.33 | cogwheel | hehe |
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| 16:27.58 | zenzelezz | in BC instances so far I've seen a fair amount of designs drop, also tailoring stuff, a few leatherworking patterns, one schematic, but no blacksmithing plans |
| 16:28.10 | zenzelezz | actually, two schematics |
| 16:28.21 | zenzelezz | and a few enchanting recipes, forgot those |
| 16:29.30 | zenzelezz | don't know if I've just not teamed much with blacksmiths, or whether they just don't have many new plans |
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| 20:25.25 | Tierrie | stumped |
| 20:25.41 | Tierrie | hey Iriel what are you doing tomorrow morning around 11.30am? |
| 20:25.59 | Iriel | probably working, or laying in bed hoping that my cold goes away. |
| 20:26.11 | Tierrie | cool so you're coming to watch 300 with us then at imax? |
| 20:26.16 | Tierrie | pleasanton |
| 20:26.37 | Iriel | heh, no.. I'm fairly sick 8-( |
| 20:26.48 | Tierrie | cool so we'll get you a ticket first and then you'll pay us back later? |
| 20:26.59 | Cairenn|afk | :( |
| 20:27.04 | Cairenn|afk | sorry to hear it Iriel |
| 20:27.16 | Iriel | yeah, I sound like a frog |
| 20:27.19 | Iriel | croaky |
| 20:27.19 | Tierrie | hahaa jk jk Iriel |
| 20:27.25 | Tierrie | sweetness |
| 20:27.25 | Cairenn|afk | bleh |
| 20:27.28 | Tierrie | find a princess to kiss you |
| 20:27.31 | Tierrie | so you'll turn into an ogre |
| 20:27.35 | Tierrie | ask Cairenn |
| 20:27.39 | Corrodias | Nom-: it kinda depends on your tastes, but you might check out "DrDamage" |
| 20:27.40 | Tierrie | smoochy smoochy Cairenn |
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| 20:27.53 | Cairenn|afk | lol, you're all wound up today aren't you Tierrie? |
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| 20:28.14 | Tierrie | i'm wound up like this everyday. somedays i'm just too busy programming |
| 20:28.21 | Tierrie | <3 |
| 20:28.30 | Tierrie | i wuv u cairenn, come to blizzcon |
| 20:28.32 | Cairenn|afk | LOL |
| 20:28.43 | Thrae | Can I make a macro do something different when the button is manually clicked? |
| 20:28.49 | cladhaire | yes |
| 20:28.55 | cladhaire | [button] |
| 20:28.59 | Cairenn|afk | Blizzcon? |
| 20:29.07 | Tierrie | hopefully there will be one this year |
| 20:29.14 | Thrae | cladhaire: Just [button], or [button:1] for mouse button 1? |
| 20:29.14 | Tierrie | otherwise i will be very upset |
| 20:29.24 | cladhaire | [button] will trigger if ANY button was used. |
| 20:29.25 | Tierrie | [button:1] for keypresses and left click |
| 20:29.40 | Iriel | I'm not counting on one, given it's lack of appearance last year |
| 20:29.49 | Iriel | cladhaire: Does [button] not count the 'virtual' button for the /click ? |
| 20:29.54 | Thrae | cladhaire: And that doesn't include keybind presses, right? |
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| 20:30.05 | cladhaire | Iriel: I'm not sure, to be honest. |
| 20:30.18 | Cairenn | just the way you'd said it made me think I'd missed the announcement or something |
| 20:31.22 | Tierrie | Cairenn: i say everything with confidence, like karl rove |
| 20:31.26 | Tierrie | except i use my powers only for good |
| 20:31.31 | Cairenn | lol |
| 20:32.04 | Tierrie | i want a blizzcon again this year so I can steal the nova sculture |
| 20:32.09 | Tierrie | god she was hot |
| 20:32.11 | Tierrie | we tried to buy her |
| 20:32.18 | Tierrie | she cost 20k to make and blizzard wouldn't sell her |
| 20:32.28 | Tierrie | so we settled for taking lots of pictures near her butt |
| 20:32.50 | zenzelezz | near or of? o_O |
| 20:33.13 | Corrodias | sigh... looks like klh threat meter uses layout-cache.txt, lazy bum of a coder |
| 20:33.14 | Industrial | heh |
| 20:33.20 | chuckg | What's current toc? |
| 20:33.36 | Outlaw| | 20003? |
| 20:33.45 | Tierrie | http://www.flickr.com/photos/14597287@N00/ |
| 20:33.45 | chuckg | 20003 ? |
| 20:33.49 | chuckg | K. |
| 20:33.52 | Thrae | cladhaire: Hmm, this macro is bound to the middle mouse button. How can I differentiate a manual left-click on the actionbutton? |
| 20:34.07 | Tierrie | giggity => http://www.flickr.com/photos/14597287@N00/58104742/ |
| 20:34.08 | cladhaire | button:1 |
| 20:34.20 | [dRaCo] | anyone who can help me with some lua expressions for msbt? |
| 20:34.53 | Thrae | cladhaire: Yeah, I put button:1 at the top and it's always trying to cast that spell now |
| 20:35.30 | chuckg | Do [nomodifiers] in the other one. |
| 20:40.09 | Thrae | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:40.22 | Thrae | err, with the second line added |
| 20:42.32 | bleetah | I demand a Blizzcon for Oceania! :-P |
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| 20:59.22 | Tierrie | Mawaige, that sacwed cobenant, that dweam within a dweam. Wuv, twue wuv, which bwings us togebba...today. |
| 20:59.57 | bleetah | ~impressiveclergyman |
| 20:59.58 | purl | Mawage. Mawage is wot bwings us togeder tooday. Mawage, that bwessed awangment, that dweam wifin a dweam... And wuv, tru wuv, will fowow you foweva... So tweasure your wuv. |
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| 21:00.44 | bleetah | ~westley |
| 21:00.45 | purl | You warthog-faced buffoon. |
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| 21:03.35 | Xonaet | I have a question regarding a little script for WoW wondering if anyone is interested in helping me with it |
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| 21:05.08 | kaso | ask, dont ask to ask :> |
| 21:06.23 | Tierrie | hey anyone wants to see a lego fucking the filling out of a twinkie? |
| 21:07.02 | Tem | I need suggestions on an audio player. |
| 21:07.08 | Tem | It must meet the following requirements |
| 21:07.11 | Tem | 1) it's not iTunes |
| 21:07.17 | Tierrie | winamp |
| 21:07.19 | Tierrie | done |
| 21:07.21 | Tierrie | next question |
| 21:07.21 | Tem | 2) It has an interface that I can customize to my liking |
| 21:07.31 | Tem | 3) It will interface seemlessly with my iPod |
| 21:07.33 | Xonaet | I have a macro that i want very simply to report, my focus target with error frame, that works, however, I am wondering if it is possible to add an internal condition, like you can in C, basicly if it has a target i want it to show, but within the limitations of a macro's 256, so, it would need to be within the format("blah %s - %s",UnitName("focus"), <here's the problem, if i simply add another unitname with focustarget, and there |
| 21:08.04 | bleetah | Xonaet: you got chopped ... "another unitname with focustarget, and there" |
| 21:08.24 | Xonaet | it would need to be within the format("blah %s - %s",UnitName("focus"), <here's the problem, if i simply add another unitname with focustarget, and there is none nil will cause error, how to I avoid that?>) |
| 21:11.13 | batrick | you could maybe concatenate " " with unitname |
| 21:11.21 | batrick | if you don't care spaces are floating around |
| 21:14.05 | Xonaet | you lost me there for a second, how will that fix my nil error if there is no focustarget |
| 21:14.21 | batrick | because you will always pass some string to the function |
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| 21:16.03 | Xonaet | hmm true |
| 21:16.13 | Xonaet | since its errorframe it wouldn't bother much |
| 21:20.54 | Xonaet | what would be the command for concatenate? |
| 21:21.06 | Tierrie | syntax is .. |
| 21:21.52 | Tierrie | its two goddamn periods, i'm not trying to be suspenseful |
| 21:23.31 | Xonaet | sorry, when just too simple solutions at times, you wonder how you miss them anyhow, that still gives me a nil error |
| 21:23.47 | batrick | ya i thought that still might happen |
| 21:23.47 | Xonaet | attempts to concanate a nil value |
| 21:23.54 | batrick | you'll have to use an if statement |
| 21:23.59 | batrick | u=UnitName |
| 21:24.19 | Xonaet | i feared that |
| 21:24.34 | batrick | if(u("focus"))then local s=u("focus")end |
| 21:24.38 | batrick | :P |
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| 21:33.45 | kaso | can anyone think of an item with has a duration i cant think of anything off the top of my head. |
| 21:34.12 | Xonaet | there we go |
| 21:34.22 | Xonaet | thanks for the help |
| 21:34.42 | batrick | Xonaet, you'll want to use: local s,u=UnitName instead |
| 21:34.46 | batrick | keep everything local ^^ |
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| 21:40.23 | Xonaet | yeah |
| 21:40.26 | Xonaet | I know |
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| 21:41.44 | Xonaet | they dont stay in memory past relog if you made them global yes? |
| 21:41.52 | Xonaet | did so in earlier testing |
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| 21:43.45 | Xonaet | incidently double statment causes error |
| 21:43.56 | Xonaet | trying to define two locals with one 'local' wording |
| 21:45.23 | batrick | local n,s=UnitName("Focus") should work, n will be the name, s can be whatever you want later |
| 21:45.49 | Xonaet | causes errorr |
| 21:46.06 | zenzelezz | I thought that would expect UnitName to return two values, but I'm somewhat Lua noob |
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| 21:46.47 | batrick | well UnitName returns name and realm |
| 21:46.48 | Garoun|Loupana | I button spam too much :( http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-151068490135174077&hl=en it's no wonder my wrists start hurting after a couple hours of wow |
| 21:46.55 | batrick | realm is irrelevant in his situation |
| 21:48.14 | Xonaet | only returns realm if the unit is a player and is in bg |
| 21:48.14 | batrick | still should work |
| 21:48.25 | Xonaet | doesn't though, gives me a nil thingy again |
| 21:48.39 | Iriel | You can declare as many variables local as you want in one local statement |
| 21:49.03 | Xonaet | why? heck if I know so I just use local u=Unitname;local t |
| 21:49.04 | Xonaet | hmm |
| 21:49.11 | Xonaet | yeah, or at least you should be able to |
| 21:49.58 | zenzelezz | UnitName, not Unitname (unless that was just an IRC typo) |
| 21:50.06 | Xonaet | irc typo |
| 21:50.58 | Xonaet | really wish blizzard would allow more then 255 char's |
| 21:52.19 | batrick | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:52.20 | batrick | works |
| 21:53.04 | Xonaet | weird |
| 21:53.15 | Xonaet | *restarts WoW* |
| 21:53.48 | batrick | i gotta go, i'll cya guys later |
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| 22:03.52 | Industrial | WHY |
| 22:03.52 | Industrial | THE |
| 22:03.55 | Industrial | F*ck |
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| 22:04.09 | Industrial | does every mob my pet attacks walk towards me |
| 22:04.58 | Industrial | its so anoying, my pet and the mob are in a cycle of adjusting towards their target (all mobs do that) and they end up at my location making me move to be able to hit :( |
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| 22:16.43 | Xonaet | Industrial |
| 22:16.52 | Xonaet | hunter with warpstalker? |
| 22:22.34 | Xonaet | ok |
| 22:22.43 | Xonaet | -- /script local t,u=UnitName;if u("focustarget") then t=u("focustarget"); else t="No Target"; end;UIErrorsFrame:AddMessage(format("Focus: %s - %s",UnitName("focus"),t),1,1,0); |
| 22:22.49 | Xonaet | gets error |
| 22:23.02 | Xonaet | however if I do localt;local u=UnitName |
| 22:23.03 | Xonaet | it works |
| 22:23.22 | Iriel | You need local u,t = UnitName |
| 22:23.34 | Iriel | you're currently assigning UnitName to t, and nil to u |
| 22:23.47 | Iriel | e.g. it's equivalent to local t, u = UnitName, nil |
| 22:24.17 | Xonaet | ah! |
| 22:24.18 | Xonaet | mybad |
| 22:26.02 | Industrial | Xonaet: no just cat |
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| 22:43.04 | sysrage | what's a good windows search util? i wanna grep my addons dir for some text and windows search sucks ass |
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| 22:49.24 | Xenok | shirik: did you fix those bugs in wowiupdater? |
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| 22:53.00 | Xenok | I still can't remember how I did that auto detect your zone and sort the saved coords in that dropdown piece of script >< im so mad |
| 22:53.12 | haste | sysrage: http://unxutils.sourceforge.net/ << :p ? |
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| 22:57.50 | sysrage | haste: neat |
| 22:58.33 | sysrage | hasn't been updated for 4 years though |
| 22:58.48 | foxlit | Hm, there should be a universal addon updater somewhere. |
| 22:58.52 | sysrage | there is |
| 22:58.54 | sysrage | WUU |
| 22:59.01 | sysrage | WoW UI Updater |
| 22:59.05 | sysrage | it rocks |
| 22:59.43 | foxlit | Do I need to do anything to support that, or does it tend to itself? |
| 22:59.45 | Xenok | the one shriik is making? |
| 23:01.08 | sysrage | don't think it's shriik's |
| 23:01.08 | Xenok | umm nvm I found it |
| 23:01.08 | sysrage | and i don't know what you mean by tending to itself |
| 23:01.08 | Xenok | http://sourceforge.net/projects/wuu |
| 23:01.08 | sysrage | http://wuu.vagabonds.info/ |
| 23:01.08 | foxlit | http://wuu.sorceforge.net |
| 23:01.08 | Xenok | lol |
| 23:01.21 | Xenok | foxlit: thats not it |
| 23:03.29 | foxlit | I typoed |
| 23:03.39 | foxlit | http://wuu.sourceforge.net |
| 23:04.14 | Xenok | yeah |
| 23:05.03 | sysrage | curse seems to change the way their page is just enough to break the WUU regex fairly often, but since i've been using it, WUU gets updated within a day of it breaking |
| 23:05.39 | Xenok | wow awsome!! : http://img212.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rebornmorevisedia5.jpg |
| 23:06.23 | foxlit | Ouch. |
| 23:07.52 | sysrage | nice UI |
| 23:08.17 | kaso | I dont like UIs like that |
| 23:08.19 | kaso | too flash |
| 23:08.20 | kaso | y |
| 23:09.15 | foxlit | Top bar is just insane in terms of readability problems. |
| 23:09.27 | foxlit | Models don't really work with background. |
| 23:09.28 | Xonaet | sick |
| 23:09.46 | foxlit | And the floating TrinketsMenu is just... meh. |
| 23:10.15 | Xenok | yeah.. I don't like htat trinket thing either |
| 23:11.28 | Guillotine | the orange is slightly harsh on the eyes |
| 23:11.48 | Xenok | yeah.. maybe a green :P |
| 23:12.15 | Guillotine | I used to use a UI like that, but I decided I should make it *kind of* like the default |
| 23:12.24 | Guillotine | so that when I go to gf's I can play |
| 23:12.29 | Guillotine | and don't have to completely readjust |
| 23:12.47 | Xenok | got a screenie? |
| 23:12.54 | Guillotine | somewhere. hold on |
| 23:13.01 | Xenok | k |
| 23:13.36 | Guillotine | well, this is one: http://www.hackwow.com/guillotine/Screenshots/FastestWin.jpg |
| 23:13.55 | Guillotine | that little green thing on the unit frame is a graph of my health over time |
| 23:14.09 | Guillotine | and the "Buffs" menu open and closed depending on what I needed |
| 23:14.13 | Guillotine | (this was before 2.0) |
| 23:14.13 | Xenok | lol thats cool |
| 23:14.49 | Guillotine | Changed to using Clique instead of GroupButtons after a bit |
| 23:15.15 | Xenok | ah thats still cool |
| 23:16.17 | foxlit | If I ever get around to replacing default actionbars, I want to configure them around several sets of 6 buttons |
| 23:17.53 | foxlit | That row of icons at the bottom is intimidating |
| 23:18.01 | Guillotine | this is my current UI (with somes light variations): http://www.hackwow.com/guillotine/Screenshots/NewUI.jpg |
| 23:18.09 | Guillotine | on the left side in the viewport part, I have a bunch of info |
| 23:18.19 | Guillotine | Chronometer, casting bars for all nearby enemies, cooldown bars for all nearby enemies |
| 23:18.27 | Xenok | whats with the domain name? "hackwow" |
| 23:18.28 | Guillotine | info in BGs |
| 23:18.53 | foxlit | How do you deal with raidbuffs? |
| 23:18.57 | Guillotine | no idea. Somebody gave me access to the SVN there. hackwow.com isn't really about hacking though (at least from what I see) |
| 23:18.59 | sysrage | agrep doesn't work for shit.. nobody knows a good simple search util for windows? |
| 23:19.01 | Guillotine | its just figuring out the files |
| 23:19.42 | Guillotine | I just use it for hosting my files though since I have nowhere else :P |
| 23:19.50 | Guillotine | though I really wish it had a different name |
| 23:20.56 | Guillotine | foxlit: Used RDX.Cid at the time, now I use HealBot for raid buffs |
| 23:22.11 | foxlit | Not quite what I meant. |
| 23:22.21 | foxlit | I think that's Elk's at the top right, next to the minimap. |
| 23:22.25 | Guillotine | oh, ya |
| 23:22.32 | Guillotine | Elk's BuffBar for buffs |
| 23:22.37 | foxlit | Doesn't that get sort of large vertically if you're buffed by a heck of a lot of stuff, like you tend to be in raids? |
| 23:22.54 | Guillotine | dunno. started using that with TBC and havn't gone to the 25 mans yet |
| 23:23.13 | Xenok | hmm where would i go make my own ui? |
| 23:23.36 | foxlit | notepad! |
| 23:23.49 | Guillotine | Xenok: you mean make your own mod? or make your own group of mods? |
| 23:24.06 | Xenok | I mean make a user interface .. like the mini map .. the action bars etc. |
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| 23:24.19 | foxlit | Write code or combine existing code? |
| 23:24.26 | Guillotine | Well, mine is actually just a bunch of other mods put together. (Only a couple of my own) |
| 23:24.43 | Xenok | ah |
| 23:24.44 | Guillotine | Theres actually a lot of mods that let you move stuff around |
| 23:24.44 | Guillotine | and reskin it |
| 23:24.44 | Xenok | discord art is way to confusing XD |
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| 23:24.52 | Guillotine | ya, thats what I used to use |
| 23:25.14 | Xenok | know of any eaiser mods? |
| 23:25.16 | foxlit | Any idea who maintains Skinner? |
| 23:25.33 | Guillotine | Xenok: you want to skin your stuff? |
| 23:25.38 | Xenok | yeah |
| 23:25.46 | Cide | can you reconfigure how elk's buffbar looks? |
| 23:26.03 | foxlit | Probably, but a vertical stack is still a vertical stack |
| 23:26.21 | Cide | I was thinking of the appearance of the bar |
| 23:26.38 | Guillotine | Cide: only way to configure is by editing the file |
| 23:26.45 | Guillotine | at least only way to configure to a significant extent |
| 23:26.46 | Cide | ugh... why? |
| 23:27.21 | Cide | maybe it's just me that doesn't like it though, since I see a lot of people using it that way :) |
| 23:27.29 | Guillotine | well, you can change color, size, all that |
| 23:27.33 | Guillotine | what exactly would you want to change? |
| 23:28.15 | Cide | dunno, I just don't like it that much and I see a lot of people having it look the same way |
| 23:28.23 | Cide | so it might just be me |
| 23:28.32 | Guillotine | I personally love it |
| 23:28.53 | Guillotine | I hate the default buff bars personally >< |
| 23:29.27 | Cide | me too |
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| 23:29.51 | foxlit | They're fine combined with the default UI layout; you don't really have to look at them a lot |
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| 23:30.36 | Guillotine | My idea of the perfect UI is one where your eyes don't have to move around much. and ElkBuffBar helps that. I can see out of hte corner of my eyes how much time is left on something |
| 23:30.38 | Guillotine | don't have to read it |
| 23:32.07 | Guillotine | btw, has anyone looked at the in-game FAQ thing? It appears to me that its impossible to inject new questions into there (the data isn't contained in the frame), but I might have missed something |
| 23:33.17 | foxlit | KNOWLEDGE_BASE_* events |
| 23:34.27 | foxlit | Inject at what level? |
| 23:34.27 | Elkano | Cide, current EBB doesn't have that many options to cunfigure it ingame... but my current recode will have |
| 23:35.39 | Guillotine | foxlit: add it to the frame |
| 23:35.52 | Guillotine | so that you could add an "Addon" category |
| 23:35.54 | Guillotine | with info on your addon |
| 23:36.11 | Cide | Elkano: ah |
| 23:36.36 | foxlit | Amount of hooking isn't nice |
| 23:36.43 | foxlit | But you can probably do it |
| 23:36.49 | zenzelezz | Guillotine: speculation on my part, but I'm not sure Blizzard would like that... "<user> the faq said ... <gm> we didn't put that there <user> but its there!" |
| 23:37.10 | Guillotine | foxlit: thats the problem. It doesn't seem to be done in LUA |
| 23:37.15 | Guillotine | it seems to be directly in C |
| 23:37.18 | Guillotine | Zenzelezz: possibly |
| 23:37.30 | foxlit | FrameXML\KnowledgeBase.lua ? |
| 23:37.49 | Guillotine | foxlit: yes, but the questions/answered aren't stored in variables anywhere |
| 23:38.28 | foxlit | KnowledgeBaseArticleListFrame_PopulateArticleList(KBQuery_GetArticleHeaderCount, KBQuery_GetArticleHeaderData, KBQuery_GetTotalArticleCount); |
| 23:38.58 | Elkano | cide: I coded it about a year ago with a look that fitted my need since it was primary intended for personal use. but since that many people liked it and I gre in experience coding for lua I decided to do a 100% recode in order to support many requested features. and I've come a lot closer to a beta release in te past few weeks :) |
| 23:39.08 | foxlit | That handles showing questions in the "select what you wanted" search result |
| 23:39.11 | Iriel | Guillotine: Can't you just hook those functions? |
| 23:39.11 | Guillotine | foxlit: hmm. I'll try that. Thanks :) |
| 23:39.56 | foxlit | That is actually a pretty cool format for random addon help :) |
| 23:41.01 | Sstixrud | Anyone have expereince with what it takes to create SecureActionButtons that do not use the default 120 button ids? |
| 23:41.16 | Sstixrud | Looking for simple example code or howto somehwere :) |
| 23:41.30 | foxlit | type=cast;spell=something? |
| 23:42.02 | foxlit | You can avoid using actionbuttons altogether? |
| 23:42.17 | Sstixrud | theres a lot more to buttons tho no? I mean dragging spells from spellbooks, cooldown, etc... etc... |
| 23:43.06 | foxlit | Nothing you can't fake, would just take a bit of coding |
| 23:43.43 | Sstixrud | ya thats what I figured, was hoping to find some examples of how its done |
| 23:44.23 | foxlit | Hm, no, I'm wrong. One thing you can't fake is being able to configure them in combat. |
| 23:45.10 | Sstixrud | heh that is fine :) |
| 23:46.19 | Guillotine | so we have to figure out what format KBSetup_GetArticleHeaderData is in |
| 23:46.31 | Guillotine | it's a function, but not declared in the lua |
| 23:46.38 | foxlit | It is declared in lua |
| 23:46.44 | Guillotine | at least not the KnowledgeBaseFrame lua |
| 23:46.47 | Guillotine | foxlit: where? |
| 23:47.06 | foxlit | Actually, no, not quite. |
| 23:47.17 | foxlit | That's part of the api, but you can peak at the expected format anyway |
| 23:47.33 | foxlit | local articleId, articleHeader, isArticleHot, isArticleUpdated = dataFunc(i); |
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| 23:48.01 | foxlit | where dataFunc ==KBSetup_GetArticleHeaderData |
| 23:49.26 | Guillotine | or even easier, /dump KBSetup_GetArticleHeaderData(1) |
| 23:49.49 | foxlit | KB is down on EU at the moment, so I can't do that |
| 23:50.10 | Guillotine | ah |
| 23:50.40 | Guillotine | so I guess I'd somehow have to come up with my own IDs and make sure they don't interfere with Blizz's |
| 23:51.25 | Industrial | http://pastey.net/8100 1) Does this make sense? 2) In Remove(), how do I use table.remove() for keys that i dont know the index of? |
| 23:51.43 | foxlit | table[key] = nil? |
| 23:52.18 | Industrial | yeah but will if not table then return true if it only has nilled things in it? |
| 23:52.36 | Industrial | yeah but will 'if not table then' return true if it only has nilled things in it? |
| 23:52.39 | Industrial | :p |
| 23:52.47 | foxlit | {} ~= nil |
| 23:53.24 | Industrial | a={b=nil} if a=={} then print('yes') end |
| 23:53.48 | Industrial | i wanna see of table is empty and then remove it also |
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| 23:54.42 | foxlit | Can't do =={} since {} creates a new table, and the comparison is done by the table ref. |
| 23:55.08 | Industrial | how do i do it then |
| 23:56.11 | Cide | if ( not next(a) ) then --table is empty |
| 23:56.22 | Industrial | k |
| 23:56.42 | foxlit | I was using for k in pairs(a) return end -- If we're still here, table is empty |
| 23:57.17 | Industrial | Sstixrud: correct |
| 23:58.12 | Sstixrud | problem is I really do need to figure it out. If I want to add raid / pet and focus buttonbars I really need to use non-standard button ids |
| 23:58.29 | Cide | foxlit: pairs is just a next wrapper, so you're doing what I did but in a more complex and less efficient way :) |
| 23:58.44 | foxlit | True, I was wondering what the first return was :) |
