| 00:00.10 | Xenok\busy | ty |
| 00:01.43 | Xenok\busy | now I just need to make it so that each time the zone is different.. my saved coords go into the correct zone dropdown O.o |
| 00:01.53 | Xenok\busy | quiet a task |
| 00:02.03 | Xenok\busy | s/quiet/quite/ |
| 00:04.29 | *** join/#wowi-lounge dinesh-work (n=chatzill@c-68-36-168-161.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) |
| 00:30.48 | JoshBorke | purl, hug Cairenn |
| 00:30.53 | Cairenn | :) |
| 00:31.01 | JoshBorke | purl, massage Cairenn |
| 00:31.22 | JoshBorke | purl, what's wrong? |
| 00:31.24 | purl | somebody said wrong was http://people.trustcommerce.com/~adam/top10/wrong.html |
| 00:31.33 | Xenok\busy | lol |
| 00:31.33 | WobWork | dolby-wowi, you about? |
| 00:31.36 | Cairenn | o.O |
| 00:32.21 | WobWork | Cairenn: Let dolby know I'm getting a 404 when clicking on a member link? like http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/member.php?u=35209 |
| 00:32.42 | Cairenn | okay |
| 00:32.47 | WobWork | ^^ |
| 00:32.48 | Shirik | erm |
| 00:33.13 | Shirik | wonder if that's supposed to have "downloads" in it |
| 00:33.23 | Cairenn | how did you get to the link? |
| 00:33.32 | Shirik | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/member.php?u=35209 works perfectly |
| 00:33.37 | WobWork | hm |
| 00:33.45 | Cairenn | how did you get to the link |
| 00:33.47 | WobWork | it works now =) |
| 00:33.49 | WobWork | odd |
| 00:33.55 | WobWork | It was from a comment |
| 00:34.37 | Cairenn | no, doing it the way he did the first time brings up a 404, obviously, which is why I'm trying to find out how he got to that link :p |
| 00:34.49 | Cairenn | specific steps :p |
| 00:34.53 | WobWork | "You are insane, my child, qvite insane..." |
| 00:35.48 | Shirik | found it |
| 00:35.56 | WobWork | It was originally from http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5097-FuBar-FuXPFu.html#cmnt33931 |
| 00:36.10 | Shirik | I found it, but it's not really "there" it's hidden |
| 00:36.16 | Shirik | i.e., go to http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5119-Ace2.html |
| 00:36.18 | WobWork | aha |
| 00:36.23 | leethal | boy I wish google code had a projectname.googlecode.com/latest.zip that was a tarball of the svn repos |
| 00:36.23 | Shirik | if you look at the comments, when you click on the person's name |
| 00:36.32 | WobWork | I have NoScripts installed |
| 00:36.34 | Shirik | it shows you the wrong link, but clicking that link does NOT take you there |
| 00:36.40 | Shirik | yeah it's supposed to execute a javascript |
| 00:36.46 | WobWork | so when I clicked on the name, it normally drops the menu =) |
| 00:37.13 | Shirik | so cairenn, it's the link that normally drops the menu on someone's name in the downloads comments |
| 00:37.23 | Shirik | it will only affect people that don't use javascript |
| 00:37.36 | Shirik | the one that pops up in the menu "view public profile" works as intended |
| 00:37.38 | Cairenn | if they are running noscript, then yeah, they'll have the problem |
| 00:38.12 | Cairenn | so as WobWork said "noscript" I knew exactly the problem |
| 00:38.19 | Cairenn | so not really a bug on our site, per sae |
| 00:38.32 | Shirik | well, reading the code it looks as if it's supposed to work either way |
| 00:38.36 | WobWork | indeed |
| 00:38.42 | Shirik | it's just mistyped in the non-script part |
| 00:39.14 | Shirik | <a style="font-size:14pt" href="member.php?u=29004"> should be <a style="font-size:14pt" href="/forums/member.php?u=29004"> |
| 00:39.25 | Shirik | er |
| 00:39.30 | Shirik | well that would look a bit different on the php side but yeah |
| 00:39.50 | leethal | stop using php, by the way. use ruby on rails |
| 00:39.58 | Shirik | php is ownage do not disgrace it! |
| 00:40.02 | leethal | it sucks |
| 00:40.17 | Shirik | it sucks the life out of all other website scripting languages,yes |
| 00:40.22 | leethal | absolutely not |
| 00:40.37 | Cairenn | it's what we use and we're not inclined to rewrite the entire sites from scratch |
| 00:40.49 | dolby-wowi | where is the path typo Shirik? |
| 00:40.58 | leethal | you'd be amazed how little effort that is in ruby on rails. but oh well.. |
| 00:41.02 | Shirik | it's in.. |
| 00:41.14 | dolby-wowi | very little effort in php too |
| 00:41.18 | leethal | ok, ok, php doesn't suck. But ruby on rails is still superior to php |
| 00:41.21 | Tain | NOOOOOOOOO! Heroes is going on a six week break after tonight! |
| 00:41.22 | Shirik | I can give you an example, I just don't know how your php is set up |
| 00:41.26 | Shirik | hopefully from the example you can find it |
| 00:41.33 | oTem|Work | yes, but if the site is already written in php, it's not worth the effort to redo it |
| 00:41.43 | Shirik | go to http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5119-Ace2.html |
| 00:41.58 | Shirik | search for <a style="font-size:14pt" href="member.php?u=29004"> which needs to be replaced with <a style="font-size:14pt" href="/forums/member.php?u=29004"> |
| 00:42.05 | Cairenn | leethal: we have 5 sites that would have to be completely recoded from the ground up, not to mention then having to have all the authors reupload the thousands of interfaces we have on them, get members to reregister, etc |
| 00:42.05 | dolby-wowi | ok its in the comments area on the file info screen |
| 00:42.09 | Shirik | yeah |
| 00:42.42 | leethal | Cairenn: true that. The moment you realize how great Ruby on Rails is, though, you'll regret you're not using it. *whine* |
| 00:42.45 | Cairenn | it'd go over like a lead balloon |
| 00:42.49 | oTem|Work | Cairenn, you wouldn't lose the databases |
| 00:42.52 | Shirik | php > all. period. |
| 00:43.06 | leethal | Shirik: terribly wrong |
| 00:43.28 | oTem|Work | you could either keep the same db format with the ror site |
| 00:43.37 | oTem|Work | s/either// |
| 00:43.46 | dolby-wowi | what style are you using Shirik? |
| 00:43.47 | leethal | by the way, I'm not suggesting a remake. I'm just provoking a bit =P |
| 00:43.51 | leethal | ruby on rails is great, though |
| 00:43.58 | leethal | everyone interested in nice code ought to take a look at it |
| 00:44.03 | oTem|Work | or, with great difficulty and effort, create a new db format and migrate |
| 00:44.04 | Tain | Cairenn: The main problem with the site designs is not enough use of the <blink> tag. |
| 00:44.13 | leethal | Tain: 10/19 |
| 00:44.13 | dolby-wowi | lol |
| 00:44.16 | Cairenn | good god no |
| 00:44.17 | leethal | 10/10, actually |
| 00:44.31 | Shirik | the World of Warcraft one? |
| 00:44.40 | Shirik | I didn't know you had more than one style ^^ |
| 00:44.48 | Shirik | oop wrong window |
| 00:45.05 | Shirik | that's the problem with popup messages |
| 00:45.15 | Shirik | you switch over without looking at what window the message came from >< |
| 00:46.22 | leethal | ruby is a great language imo, a shame you can't write wow addons with it. But apparently that's been discussed one or two times before, so I wont =P |
| 00:46.29 | Tain | Rarely is a language so great as to warrant a complete redisign from another language from the ground up. |
| 00:46.30 | bleetah | Tain: you like <blink>? you'll love this site.. lemme grab it ... |
| 00:46.38 | bleetah | it's also known as the 'how not to code a page' ;) |
| 00:46.53 | bleetah | http://kibo.com/webtv/webtv.html |
| 00:47.08 | Shirik | 19:46:31 ‹Tain› Rarely is a language so great as to warrant a complete redisign from another language from the ground up. << ASP |
| 00:47.10 | leethal | wtf |
| 00:47.16 | Shirik | er |
| 00:47.21 | Shirik | if it were originally in ASP* |
| 00:47.27 | WobWork | Shirik: That's only due to the fact that ASP sucks mightily =) |
| 00:47.35 | bleetah | there was an entry in mozilla's bugzilla (from me) complaining about how the browser used to crash out on that page, and it weren't fit for release until it could do the page properly ;) |
| 00:47.39 | WobWork | And the 'lesser of the two evils' thing applies =) |
| 00:47.43 | bleetah | I think they fixed it around FF1.3 |
| 00:47.47 | Shirik | heh |
| 00:48.16 | Xenok\busy | OMG bleetah: that site makes my eyes bleed |
| 00:48.17 | Tain | Well ASP is a valid example. |
| 00:48.31 | bleetah | some systems would crash the browser, others would go into 100% cpu spin and you'd have to hard reset the system |
| 00:48.45 | Xenok\busy | lol I use mozzila . does that effect anything? |
| 00:48.51 | bleetah | I think it's got every offensive piece of HTML code in it |
| 00:48.58 | Xenok\busy | lol |
| 00:49.29 | Shirik | bleetah |
| 00:49.30 | Shirik | wtf was that |
| 00:49.33 | Xenok\busy | wtf is with that? |
| 00:50.00 | WobWork | Impressive, a webpage on which, it seems, -everyones- opinion is much the same =) |
| 00:50.08 | WobWork | (ie "wtf") |
| 00:50.08 | Cairenn | damnit, I _knew_ I shouldn't have clicked that link |
| 00:50.16 | Shirik | <INPUT TYPE="textarea" ALIGN="RIGHT" NAME="stupid_text" WIDTH="100%" SIZE="55, 5" MAXLENGTH="1020" ALLCAPS AUTOACTIVATE AUTOSUBMIT GROWABLE BGCOLOR="#00FFFF" TEXTCOLOR="#FFFFFF" CURSOR="#00FF00" BORDERIMAGE="file://ROM/Borders/ButtonBorder2.bif" VALUE="PLEASE SEND ME FEEDBACK ABOUT MY SUPER-KQQL WEB PAGE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 00:50.17 | Shirik | AND PLEASE DONT SEND ME MAIL IN LOWERCASE IT LOOKS LIKE YOUR WISPORING !!!"> |
| 00:50.18 | Shirik | haha |
| 00:50.23 | WobWork | rofl |
| 00:50.28 | Xenok\busy | rofl |
| 00:50.34 | bleetah | kibo ftw! |
| 00:50.44 | kergoth | hmm, i havent checked thedailywtf in too long |
| 00:50.48 | Cairenn | my eyes burn now |
| 00:50.55 | WobWork | kergoth: sob |
| 00:51.00 | WobWork | it's no longer thedailywtf |
| 00:51.02 | Xenok\busy | uber wtf size 300000 font near bottom |
| 00:51.08 | WobWork | it is now "Worse Than Failure" |
| 00:51.11 | WobWork | =( |
| 00:51.27 | WobWork | Cause his grandmother asked "Are you still running that webpage? What's it called again?" |
| 00:51.44 | WobWork | So he sold out |
| 00:51.44 | kergoth | bah |
| 00:51.48 | WobWork | Indeed |
| 00:52.16 | seebs_ | Heh. |
| 00:52.25 | seebs | I like daily WTF. |
| 00:52.36 | seebs | It can change its name if it wants, I still call it that. |
| 00:52.39 | kergoth | that makes me sad, the daily wtf was much better than 'worse than failure' |
| 00:52.40 | WobWork | Worse Than Failure is such a copout though |
| 00:52.44 | Xenok\busy | XD I did a ctrl+a to select it all and coppied it into notepad |
| 00:52.44 | kergoth | yep |
| 00:52.49 | seebs | There is the arguable advantage that it's pronounceable. |
| 00:53.01 | WobWork | thedailywtf was perfectly pronouncable =P |
| 00:53.04 | Xenok\busy | on that wtf page |
| 00:53.15 | WobWork | I say "whatehfaa" |
| 00:53.24 | Xenok\busy | "<BLINK>Ess Pee Zero Tee</BLINK>" is hidden in there |
| 00:53.51 | Xenok\busy | so is: NANANANANANANANA YOU SUCK!!! YOU SUCK!!! YOU SUCK!!! NANANANANANANANANANANANANANANANANANANANANANA YOU SUCK!!! |
| 00:53.55 | Xenok\busy | XD |
| 00:54.04 | WobWork | how do you 'hide' a blink tag? =P |
| 00:54.15 | Xenok\busy | umm wtf is a blink tag? |
| 00:54.16 | Xenok\busy | lol |
| 00:54.27 | Xenok\busy | I don't ever heard of one |
| 00:54.37 | bleetah | it was an annoying IE$ only tag |
| 00:54.41 | bleetah | *IE4 |
| 00:54.43 | Xenok\busy | no really ive never heard of blink tags >_> |
| 00:54.47 | Xenok\busy | ohh |
| 00:55.32 | Xenok\busy | Please welcome to my special WebTV-enabled Web page! This page looks much better on a WebTV than on a wimpy thing. I am happy that you found it here on my computer. If you have any difficulty reading this page, please read my plain text version at C:\TEXT_ON~1.HTM. |
| 00:55.36 | Xenok\busy | huh?! |
| 00:55.46 | Xenok\busy | first line |
| 00:55.52 | leethal | lol |
| 00:55.53 | Shirik | leethal: Everything I can find on the web suggests that php is better than ruby |
| 00:56.01 | Shirik | they go as far to say that ruby is "obscure" |
| 00:56.05 | leethal | Shirik: you suck at googling =P |
| 00:56.31 | leethal | obscure! Hah! compare 1.upto(10) to for (i, i++, i < 10) |
| 00:56.45 | Xenok\busy | lol so much simpler |
| 00:56.53 | leethal | or 10.times do ... end |
| 00:56.57 | Shirik | what the heck does that mean |
| 00:57.10 | Shirik | 1.upto(10)? |
| 00:57.13 | Cide | that syntax is... confusing :P |
| 00:57.14 | Shirik | so 1 is an object? |
| 00:57.18 | Shirik | or is it an integr? |
| 00:57.19 | Shirik | pick one |
| 00:57.20 | leethal | everything is an object in ruby |
| 00:57.26 | leethal | an integer object, actually |
| 00:57.31 | Xenok\busy | orly |
| 00:57.31 | Shirik | even in java, where everything's an object, you can't do 1.compare |
| 00:57.38 | leethal | "some string".upcase |
| 00:57.51 | leethal | or 10.times {print "hello"} |
| 00:57.53 | Shirik | and 1.upto(10) .... |
| 00:58.05 | Shirik | that looks like it should return something to me, not be a language construct |
| 00:58.13 | leethal | well, that's not the complete thing |
| 00:58.43 | leethal | http://pastie.caboo.se/44953 |
| 00:58.51 | Xenok\busy | can fontstrings me made hidden? |
| 00:59.21 | WobWork | leethal: there's a difference between 'simple' and 'recognisable' |
| 00:59.21 | Shirik | so... 10.times returns a set {1,2,3,...,10} ? |
| 00:59.31 | leethal | it loops trough it 10 times, yes |
| 00:59.45 | Shirik | what I'm asking is does 10.times have any purpose outside of a loop |
| 00:59.47 | WobWork | I would prefer a scripting language to be understandable instantly by anyone who has done at least a moderate amount of programming |
| 01:00.05 | leethal | it is a loop, so nothing I guess |
| 01:00.17 | Shirik | just like pairs() in lua can be used outside a loop |
| 01:00.19 | Xenok\busy | can fontstrings me made hidden? |
| 01:00.24 | Shirik | define "hidden" |
| 01:00.33 | Shirik | not visible? |
| 01:00.35 | Xenok\busy | like hidden="true" |
| 01:00.47 | Shirik | so doing the opposite of :Show() ? |
| 01:00.50 | Xenok\busy | yes |
| 01:00.56 | WobWork | (I read that as "Can FontStrings make me hidden") |
| 01:01.00 | leethal | Shirik: I'm no good at lua. what does pairs() do? |
| 01:01.02 | Shirik | http://www.wowwiki.com/API |
| 01:01.03 | Shirik | er |
| 01:01.07 | Xenok\busy | lol wob |
| 01:01.08 | Shirik | http://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_API |
| 01:01.28 | Shirik | its typical use is something like: for k, v in pairs(table) |
| 01:01.29 | WobWork | leethal, it's an iterator for arrays |
| 01:01.32 | Shirik | but.. |
| 01:01.48 | Shirik | it can be used for more than that, to get an iterator |
| 01:01.55 | kergoth | leethal: pairs returns argumetns suitable for lua's generic for, for an unordered iteration of a table. typically function pairs(t) return next, t, nil end is equivalent to the real implementation |
| 01:02.27 | Xenok\busy | sooo I can't hide fonstrings then eh? |
| 01:02.30 | WobWork | I'd much prefer a language that offers a recognisably generic base syntax, than one that reinvents the wheel =\ |
| 01:02.32 | leethal | not very object oriented that paris(table), so it's something completely different |
| 01:02.36 | Shirik | yes you can, look harder |
| 01:02.39 | Xenok\busy | hmm |
| 01:02.42 | Shirik | fontstrings inherit other objects |
| 01:03.06 | kergoth | leethal: lua relies on the user implementing an object model, it isnt inheritly OO. |
| 01:03.33 | leethal | mm, in ruby everything is an object, so it's a very different language |
| 01:03.41 | leethal | even true and false are objects |
| 01:03.44 | Shirik | The thing I think I agree with is the fact that there are MANY languages that use the same (or approximately the same) syntax for a for loop |
| 01:04.15 | Shirik | java, c, php, they all do for (init; condition; next) {} |
| 01:04.24 | Xenok\busy | I must not be looking hard enough... |
| 01:04.30 | Shirik | I would prefer something similar to that rather than making it extremely different |
| 01:04.33 | JoshBorke | isn't java based on C? |
| 01:04.44 | Shirik | basic, vbasic, lua, they're very similar too |
| 01:04.55 | Shirik | of course lua's written in c |
| 01:05.11 | leethal | if you don't think 1.upto(10) is easier than for (i, i++, i < 10), I don't like you |
| 01:05.12 | zenzelezz | why make another language if you're going to use the same syntax? |
| 01:05.12 | seebs | Java's similar to C. I wouldn't say based on. |
| 01:05.26 | Shirik | zenzelezz: Java is almost identical C |
| 01:05.28 | WobWork | My life has no meaning =( |
| 01:05.29 | Shirik | C++* |
| 01:05.31 | Shirik | but |
| 01:05.33 | WobWork | cutcutcut |
| 01:05.38 | zenzelezz | I disagree |
| 01:05.41 | Shirik | they are different languages... AND they serve very different purposes |
| 01:05.45 | leethal | I recommend reading this: http://poignantguide.net/ruby/chapter-2.html |
| 01:06.02 | seebs | I've been curious about Ruby, haven't had time to get into it. Too many languages to learn. |
| 01:06.11 | Shirik | leethal: let me put it this way, until I see a reason to learn ruby, I'm really not going to bother with it; as of yet I see no benefit to it |
| 01:06.19 | seebs | I picked up enough Python and Lua to hack on things like WoW interfaces. |
| 01:06.20 | Xenok\busy | Shirik: "This object contains a collection of methods that are related to the size, location and visibility of a widget" sooo its regions then eh? |
| 01:06.34 | Shirik | perhaps the syntax is easier, I'll give you that, but I don't see a reason to learn a new one and also limit others' ability to read it accordingly |
| 01:06.34 | seebs | (Python, ironically, I learned for making Civ 4 map generators.) |
| 01:06.35 | leethal | Shirik: it makes you a happy coder. You'll write code that makes you cry. Ruby is a language for people, not computers. |
| 01:07.07 | WobWork | >< |
| 01:07.10 | WobWork | oh no |
| 01:07.12 | WobWork | SYNERGY |
| 01:07.22 | leethal | ya, with cartoon foxes.. they are weird =/ |
| 01:07.24 | Shirik | "Font has all of the methods from UIObject and FontInstance, plus the following:" |
| 01:07.32 | Xenok\busy | oh didn't see that :P |
| 01:07.41 | Xenok\busy | ty shirik |
| 01:07.49 | Shirik | sorry, wrong copied |
| 01:07.51 | Shirik | "FontString has all of the methods from UIObject, FontInstance, Region and LayeredRegion, plus the following:" |
| 01:07.55 | Shirik | now we go to Region.... |
| 01:08.02 | Xenok\busy | oh |
| 01:08.06 | Shirik | "Region:Hide() - Set this object to hidden (it and all of its children will disappear)." |
| 01:08.18 | Shirik | therefore, there exists a FontString:Hide() |
| 01:08.21 | Xenok\busy | so I can do like myfontstring:Hide |
| 01:08.23 | Xenok\busy | omg cool |
| 01:08.31 | Xenok\busy | ty |
| 01:08.52 | seebs | Hmm. |
| 01:09.17 | seebs | Looks to me like Ruby is a language of the "here's how I model it" variety, which means it works well if you have the same model, and poorly if you don't. |
| 01:09.35 | seebs | "5.times" is absolutely the opposite of the way I think. I think of an iterator with the property 5, not a 5 with the property of iteration. |
| 01:09.52 | leethal | you can do for foo, bar in collection { } in ruby too |
| 01:10.09 | leethal | but that's object orientation |
| 01:10.11 | Nom- | wooooooot |
| 01:10.15 | Nom- | I made level 70 last night |
| 01:10.18 | Nom- | Soooo tired now tho |
| 01:10.32 | zenzelezz | grats |
| 01:10.39 | leethal | gz =D |
| 01:10.43 | Shirik | 'bout time :P |
| 01:10.45 | Shirik | I mean grats |
| 01:10.54 | leethal | send your best wishes to the dude that dinged 70 the 18th |
| 01:11.10 | Nom- | http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/#character-sheet.xml?r=Stormscale&n=Innominata |
| 01:11.14 | Nom- | Took a long time lol |
| 01:12.08 | leethal | but.. I must admit coding e.g. lua feels kinda cool too. Coding ruby feels super cool and poignant, while lua has a bit more of a "I'm controlling a computer" twist to it |
| 01:12.50 | Shirik | if you want that twist, code assembly |
| 01:12.56 | leethal | ouch |
| 01:13.02 | Nom- | ASM is easy :P |
| 01:13.09 | Nom- | There's only so many instructions to remember |
| 01:13.12 | Shirik | ok |
| 01:13.16 | Shirik | go learn 68HCS12 |
| 01:13.19 | Cairenn | ahh, nothing quite like the sound of fresh geekspeak first thing in the morning |
| 01:13.35 | Nom- | True...if you're going to learn more than one set of commands it's tricky :P |
| 01:13.36 | Shirik | instead of using different addressing modes, they made a different instruction for every damn addressing mode, every damn register |
| 01:13.39 | Nom- | I'll give you that :P |
| 01:13.47 | seebs | I rather like lua, it's a very good small language. |
| 01:13.58 | Shirik | so you have ldaa, ldab, ldd, ldx, ldy, lds |
| 01:14.12 | Shirik | instead of just ld <register> <value> |
| 01:14.19 | WobWork | Cairenn: Admit it, you love it =) |
| 01:14.29 | zenzelezz | screw good, I want languages that makes you feel l33t |
| 01:14.50 | Nom- | I'm still thrilled... 4 levels in 4 days |
| 01:14.57 | seebs | I don't think I'm ever going to get used to any language other than C. |
| 01:15.07 | Shirik | C allows you to write inline assembly |
| 01:15.08 | leethal | do like Joana, 60 levels in 4 days 20 hours |
| 01:15.11 | Shirik | if you're bored |
| 01:15.12 | seebs | My fastest levelling ever, outside of newbie areas, was going from 27 to 29 in about an hour and a half in wetlands. |
| 01:15.22 | seebs | Er, strictly speaking, it doesn't. Some compilers do. :) |
| 01:15.26 | Nom- | I got 67 on Friday, 68 Saturday, 69 Sunday, 70 Monday |
| 01:15.32 | Shirik | ok, any decent C compiler would let you |
| 01:15.43 | leethal | think my fastest is 1-30 in 1 day played |
| 01:15.51 | leethal | that was thanks to Joana though |
| 01:15.53 | WobWork | leethal: I have to admit though, just reading the first page of that Ruby page. It doesn't inspire me to even attempt to learn Ruby. It seems far too much like marketing speak, and something that Management would enjoy writing. The language, and buzzwords just don't appeal to my techjaded approach =P |
| 01:16.12 | Shirik | I think the thing is |
| 01:16.16 | leethal | WobWork: you don't know what you're missing |
| 01:16.17 | Shirik | "why ruby over ______" |
| 01:16.20 | zenzelezz | these days compilers are advanced enough that if you need to resort to ASM, you're either doing something very complex, or just something very wrong |
| 01:16.22 | Shirik | I haven't read thatp age yet, maybe I will |
| 01:16.26 | WobWork | Someone who needs to 'inspire' you to learn the language with that sort of speech is hiding something =P |
| 01:16.34 | WobWork | It's true. |
| 01:16.36 | seebs | I have an idea that I wanna try some day. |
| 01:16.36 | Shirik | zenzelezz: or you actually care about efficency |
| 01:16.48 | zenzelezz | see, you just missed my point |
| 01:16.50 | WobWork | As a programmer, I'm far more interested in 'why ruby over ___' than "omg, cartoon foxes" |
| 01:16.53 | seebs | My idea is, get a bunch of people together, including warlocks and so on, and try to get someone levelled absolutely as fast as possibel. |
| 01:16.53 | Shirik | don't give me this "oh but look at speed of computers these days" crap |
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| 01:16.58 | leethal | WobWork: you can't fake enthusiasm |
| 01:17.00 | zenzelezz | I said nothing about CPUs |
| 01:17.10 | zenzelezz | good compilers give you good enough code now |
| 01:17.16 | seebs | You know, you just tag mobs and the 60s kill them for you, ungrouped so you get all the XP. |
| 01:17.17 | Shirik | oh hell no |
| 01:17.17 | WobWork | leethal: It's true. You can't fake enthusiasm |
| 01:17.28 | Shirik | even the best C compilers still produce crap assembly |
| 01:17.33 | seebs | Teams of warlocks to summon you back and forth across duskwood or whatever. |
| 01:17.37 | seebs | Shirik, nonsense. |
| 01:17.47 | Shirik | have you looked at how many memory accesses they make? |
| 01:17.48 | seebs | People always think they can beat the compiler, but nine times out of ten, they can't. |
| 01:17.55 | zenzelezz | I disagree entirely Shirik, but I'm not tired enough to bother arguing |
| 01:17.56 | Shirik | I bet I can |
| 01:18.01 | cladhaire | Kirkburn: ping |
| 01:18.10 | pastamancer | WobWork: because you've always wanted to try smalltalk, but never found it very approachable |
| 01:18.12 | seebs | Well, so far, everyone I've seen claim to be able to beat compilers consistently has been wrong. |
| 01:18.26 | WobWork | leethal: If that page started by telling me "Ruby is really good. Here's why: <1> easily understandable syntax <2> efficient methods <3> extensible <4> etc etc etc" I might go ahead and read up on it. |
| 01:18.31 | Tain | Are you guys still arguing about Ruby? |
| 01:18.33 | seebs | Of course, I sometimes work in weird architectures, such as Cell. |
| 01:18.39 | WobWork | That page is more like it's trying to convince someone in Marketing that they NEED RUBY |
| 01:18.47 | Shirik | in any case, I deal with microcontrollers a lot more than I deal with microprocessors, so I have a different angle on things as well |
| 01:18.52 | seebs | Ahh, that would do it. |
| 01:19.01 | WobWork | Tain: Not arguing as such, merely not impressed over how that page presented it |
| 01:19.06 | leethal | WobWork: oh, you're that kinda guy. I forgot most programmers are boring people. http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/documentation/ruby-from-other-languages/ |
| 01:19.13 | zenzelezz | that's a different world Shirik o_O |
| 01:19.20 | Shirik | not entirely |
| 01:19.22 | seebs | In your case, you may care less about cycles taken to perform a task than about, say, bytes of memory taken to contain the code to perform the task. |
| 01:19.25 | WobWork | leethal: Welcome to Wowi-lounge: We're mostly programmers =P |
| 01:19.28 | Shirik | but I'll accept that it's different enough to make thing seem differnet |
| 01:19.42 | leethal | WobWork: thanks, I'll do my best to enlighten you all =P |
| 01:19.44 | seebs | It's stuff like the SPEs on Cell where I just laugh at people who claim they're going to do a good job hand-coding. |
| 01:19.46 | Shirik | yes, memory is vital |
| 01:19.53 | Kirkburn | cladhaire, PONG |
| 01:19.58 | Shirik | wow |
| 01:19.59 | Kirkburn | arg caps |
| 01:20.07 | Shirik | 40000ms rtt |
| 01:20.10 | zenzelezz | Kirkburn seems very present |
| 01:20.12 | Shirik | pretty bad connection there Kirkburn |
| 01:20.22 | Nom- | Blah |
| 01:20.25 | Kirkburn | =( |
| 01:20.27 | Nom- | Some people are copying my name :( |
| 01:20.34 | cladhaire | Kirkburn: We need free mobile to mobile calling.. is Orange the only carrier that offers that right now? other than T-Mobile's circle? |
| 01:21.02 | Nom` | >.> |
| 01:21.02 | Nom` | <.< |
| 01:21.09 | Cairenn | lol |
| 01:21.28 | Kirkburn | You're going on a contract, right? All the providers do free inter-network calls as part of their packages |
| 01:21.38 | cladhaire | really? |
| 01:21.42 | cladhaire | we didn't see that with vodaphone |
| 01:21.55 | Kirkburn | You choose the number of free minutes per month |
| 01:22.03 | cladhaire | what would you recommend for us, on personal preference |
| 01:22.11 | Kirkburn | I use Vodafone :) |
| 01:22.17 | cladhaire | Tom hates the animal packages of orange, and has heard bad things about branding, etc. |
| 01:22.21 | cladhaire | and says vodaphone has better coverage. |
| 01:22.46 | Kirkburn | They're all pretty reasonable, and yeah, vodafone does have good coverage |
| 01:23.12 | leethal | any europeans here that has a clue about when the forums at wow-europe.com will open again, by the way? |
| 01:23.50 | Kirkburn | cladhaire, tbh, go with whoever has the best offer at the time. You'll only probably be doing one contract (18 months normally)? |
| 01:23.56 | cladhaire | yeah |
| 01:24.15 | cladhaire | so vodaphone does have inter-network |
| 01:24.17 | cladhaire | that makes sense |
| 01:24.20 | cladhaire | his friend has V as well |
| 01:24.38 | Tain | cladhaire! I am going to cry myself to sleep tonight. Heroes is taking six weeks off after tonight's episode. |
| 01:25.00 | cladhaire | i know |
| 01:25.01 | cladhaire | hehe |
| 01:25.13 | Kirkburn | cladhaire, yeah, there's no network restrictions any more afaik on normal calls. |
| 01:25.49 | cladhaire | yay =) |
| 01:25.54 | cladhaire | and you don't pay for incomign texts? |
| 01:25.54 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 01:26.02 | Kirkburn | Nope |
| 01:26.37 | Tain | I found out today that my current cellphone contract expires in June of 2008. What the hell was I thinking? |
| 01:26.41 | Kirkburn | I think I'm on 200 mins of free calls a month and 100 free txts |
| 01:27.25 | cladhaire | hrm. |
| 01:27.33 | cladhaire | is stop the clock worth it? |
| 01:27.36 | Kirkburn | (outgoing) |
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| 01:27.57 | Tain | My cousin called me this weekend all freaked out because she found out you can send text messages from a cellphone to a land line. |
| 01:27.57 | Kirkburn | I think so. I don't know of any drawbacks to it |
| 01:28.12 | cladhaire | cause i'd want the 250 texts, stop the clock and maybe extra minuites |
| 01:28.14 | cladhaire | i'd have to plaky ti by ear |
| 01:28.42 | Kirkburn | Shouldn't be too expensive :) |
| 01:28.49 | cladhaire | hehe |
| 01:28.51 | cladhaire | i have 0 money |
| 01:28.52 | cladhaire | lol |
| 01:29.00 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 01:29.13 | Tain | You should prostitute yourself on the streets. |
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| 01:30.51 | Kirkburn | cladhaire, come back! He didn't mean it! |
| 01:30.56 | cladhaire | haha |
| 01:31.04 | cladhaire | i evden had customers lined up |
| 01:31.14 | Kirkburn | Tain, come back! He's not there! |
| 01:31.47 | Tain | hha haha |
| 01:32.28 | Kirkburn | Aah, Trackmania is awesomely frustrating |
| 01:36.32 | Kirkburn | cladhaire, I wonder who out PM will be when you arrive \o/ |
| 01:36.36 | Kirkburn | *our |
| 01:36.39 | cladhaire | hehe =) |
| 01:36.46 | Tain | It could be me. |
| 01:37.01 | Kirkburn | Tain: Gordon Brown in disguise. |
| 01:37.12 | Tain | I should totally run a country. |
| 01:37.29 | Tain | Gordon Brown's Doorknock Dinners? |
| 01:37.34 | Kirkburn | I thought you were already the Chancellor of the Exchequer ... you want more!? |
| 01:37.37 | Cairenn | like, rilly? |
| 01:38.35 | Tain | Like oh my god! |
| 01:38.56 | Cairenn | fer shure, that'd be, like, totally awesome! |
| 01:39.26 | Gngsk | dude! |
| 01:39.38 | Kirkburn | You must be referring to me? |
| 01:39.44 | Cairenn | *twirls a curl around one finger and snaps her gum* |
| 01:40.00 | Kirkburn | You have a moustache?! |
| 01:40.07 | Tain | hahah |
| 01:40.46 | Cairenn | eww, Kirkburn, don't be so totally gross! ohmiGAWD! |
| 01:41.25 | leethal | sorry for my little ruby crusade earlier, I couldn't resist (oh, and manabars in praid kktnx) |
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| 01:44.13 | leethal | Cairenn, cladhaire: one of you two is the perfectraid devs, right? Is it so that if I check out the source at the googlecode project, I'll get the super latest Ă¼ber edge version? Or are you committing it when you have a release ready? |
| 01:44.22 | Cairenn | cladhaire is |
| 01:44.23 | Tain | I've often thought I'd like one of those big curly Snidely Whiplash mustaches. |
| 01:44.26 | cladhaire | leethal: don't check it out |
| 01:44.29 | cladhaire | it won't work =) |
| 01:45.12 | leethal | cladhaire: bah, thought I could get lucky. Using grid atm, but I want perfect raid (with manabars). |
| 01:45.31 | cladhaire | .. so use perfectraid from wowi |
| 01:45.35 | cladhaire | mana bars is a one line change |
| 01:45.48 | leethal | woot, I need to l2 rtfm |
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| 01:46.12 | cladhaire | there's a manabar:Hide() |
| 01:46.15 | cladhaire | comment that out |
| 01:46.22 | leethal | tnx =D |
| 01:46.37 | Shirik | hrm |
| 01:46.45 | Shirik | I never seen l2 and rtfm combined into one l2rtfm |
| 01:46.49 | Shirik | you have given birth to a new acronym! |
| 01:46.58 | leethal | =P |
| 01:47.15 | leethal | by the way, the reason most ruby people is kinda nice is that they can't say rtfm = there is no fucking manual =/ |
| 01:47.22 | Shirik | haha |
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| 01:47.39 | leethal | I'm not one of the nice ones, btw, I'm just trolling various rooms like I've done here today =P |
| 01:47.43 | Kirkburn | omgwtfbbq |
| 01:47.55 | WobWork | leethal: lrn2troll =P |
| 01:49.02 | Cairenn | if you have to explain that you are trolling, you aren't doing a very good job of it |
| 01:49.07 | WobWork | it's true |
| 01:49.28 | WobWork | and trolling is supposed to get me worked up to the point where I question my understanding of my selected topic. |
| 01:49.39 | WobWork | or just worked up |
| 01:51.24 | leethal | uhm... PHP IS FOR NOOBS LIKE YOU YOURE UGLY |
| 01:51.39 | WobWork | That's better |
| 01:51.52 | WobWork | unfounded accusations make for much more usual trolling |
| 01:52.02 | WobWork | You'll get there, padawan =) |
| 01:52.04 | Cairenn | yeah, but it was still coherent |
| 01:52.11 | Cairenn | and he used full words |
| 01:52.13 | WobWork | more exclaimation marks |
| 01:52.31 | leethal | ur name makes u sound fat!!!! |
| 01:52.35 | WobWork | and you used the correct version of you're |
| 01:52.40 | Cairenn | getting better |
| 01:53.02 | Cairenn | o.O |
| 01:53.05 | leethal | lawl |
| 01:53.17 | Cairenn | ewww, we've taught you too well |
| 01:54.09 | Tain | You down with PHP? Yeah you know me! |
| 01:54.22 | Shirik | 20:51:27 ‹leethal› uhm... PHP IS FOR NOOBS LIKE YOU YOURE UGLY |
| 01:54.22 | Kirkburn | "<afterbang> okay... so this is kind of embarassing... im only 10 years old and i forgot the last step in tying my shoes, i remember loop, swoop, but whats the last one?" |
| 01:54.24 | Shirik | YOU'RE UFLY |
| 01:54.26 | Shirik | UGLY TOO |
| 01:54.55 | Kirkburn | "<afterbang> anyone remember the last step, cause i cant tie them and i keep faceplanting into things" |
| 01:54.55 | leethal | Shirik: no im nott, my gf is sexier tan a belf |
| 01:54.58 | WobWork | his spelling and grammar are pretty good for a 10 eyar old |
| 01:55.29 | leethal | ufly is a classic, hehe |
| 01:55.30 | Shirik | did that mean something in english >< |
| 01:55.54 | Shirik | mm what should I eat today? |
| 01:55.59 | Shirik | MentalPower made m hungry.. |
| 01:56.02 | Shirik | me* |
| 01:56.10 | MentalPower | hehe |
| 01:56.59 | Kirkburn | Eat .... MentalPower! It's like eating lots of fish, but it has a much clearer name. |
| 01:58.56 | Kirkburn | In a sort of does-what-it-says-on-the-tin sort of way? No? Noone? |
| 01:58.56 | Shirik | I don't get it |
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| 02:01.17 | Kirkburn | It made sense to me in in /my/ head, and that's what counts :) |
| 02:05.08 | Shirik|CS | meh |
| 02:05.18 | Shirik|CS | screw my roommate, I'm switching to linux tonight |
| 02:05.27 | Kirkburn | Radical! |
| 02:05.31 | Shirik|CS | only reason I'm still on windows is because I didn't want to piss him off with a few hours of downtime |
| 02:05.38 | Shirik|CS | but I'm sick of him eating 99% of my bandwidth |
| 02:05.52 | Kirkburn | What's that got to do with the price of fish? |
| 02:06.13 | Shirik|CS | uh... |
| 02:06.15 | Shirik|CS | huh? |
| 02:06.29 | Kirkburn | Why does that have an effect on the bandwidth |
| 02:06.52 | Cairenn | I was wondering the same |
| 02:06.56 | Shirik|CS | because a linux server can be configured to handle bandwidth, while microsoft you can only do it either by spending hours with QoS or by getting win server |
| 02:07.01 | Shirik|CS | and I'm trying to do this on xp pro |
| 02:07.14 | Shirik|CS | (my computer is the router) |
| 02:07.22 | Kirkburn | Ah, now it makes more sense |
| 02:07.31 | oTem | oh |
| 02:07.33 | oTem | okay |
| 02:07.59 | Shirik|CS | thus, switching to linux is something I've wanted to do forever but would take the network down for a few hours |
| 02:08.08 | Shirik|CS | so I haven't done it just to keep him happy |
| 02:08.25 | Kirkburn | Buy a router you crazy man :P |
| 02:08.31 | Shirik|CS | I like saving money |
| 02:08.39 | Shirik|CS | besides I want direct control :P |
| 02:08.53 | Cairenn | yeah really, linksys router is damn inexpensive |
| 02:09.26 | Kirkburn | Good luck with it Shirik|CS - you're a braver man than I :) |
| 02:09.30 | Cairenn | worth the few bucks to avoid the headaches |
| 02:09.44 | Shirik|CS | I've set it up before at my house |
| 02:09.47 | Shirik|CS | I don't anticipate any headaches |
| 02:11.41 | leethal | dongle is kinda nice |
| 02:11.56 | cladhaire | lol |
| 02:11.58 | cladhaire | its ghetto |
| 02:12.02 | Kirkburn | Oh so it did mean Counterstrike! |
| 02:12.15 | Kirkburn | What it Dongle when its at home? |
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| 02:12.41 | Kirkburn | *is |
| 02:12.42 | leethal | I used to go ace, but dongle has everything I needed from ace anyways. Tidy event handling, slash commands and dbs |
| 02:13.44 | Cairenn | is it that time of the week already? man the time just flies.... |
| 02:14.12 | Kirkburn | Is 2.0.10 confirmed for 2nite? |
| 02:16.37 | Shirik|BF2 | ow... |
| 02:16.46 | Shirik|BF2 | bf2 patch is 500MB wtf... |
| 02:16.53 | Shirik | no fpses for me tonight I guess :( |
| 02:23.25 | leethal | so.. when I'm looking for "You are now afk" from CHAT_MSG_SYSTEM.. how can I make sure that works in french too? |
| 02:25.03 | leethal | do I have to know what the string is in the various languages, or is it fancy api stuff around? |
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| 02:28.02 | mahiro | hi |
| 02:28.13 | Cairenn | hi |
| 02:31.24 | mahiro | i have a question about fading frames, i have a manabar which i wanne fade out if im ooc and have full mana otherwise fade in, what would be the best way to do that? |
| 02:32.49 | Guillotine | fade as in a gradual fade? |
| 02:32.52 | Karrion | :SetAlpha()? |
| 02:32.53 | Guillotine | or just changing the alpha? |
| 02:32.59 | leethal | there's a function for that |
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| 02:33.06 | leethal | UIFrameFadeIn(frame, dura) |
| 02:33.12 | mahiro | UIFrameFadeIn that one |
| 02:33.12 | leethal | and the same for fading out |
| 02:33.22 | mahiro | jup exactly |
| 02:33.30 | leethal | I'm not sure if that's the best way, but it works =/ |
| 02:33.48 | mahiro | can i do that on events or do i need on update to check the mana value? |
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| 02:34.04 | leethal | you can do it whenever you want |
| 02:34.14 | leethal | on events, your own functions.. whenever |
| 02:35.01 | leethal | harbl! What's the "you are now AFK" in french! |
| 02:36.16 | mahiro | so is there an event if the mana is full or how can i combine the ooc and full mana?o_O |
| 02:36.37 | Shirik | you can watch for a mana update |
| 02:36.48 | Shirik | and then test UnitMana("player") == UnitManaMax("player") |
| 02:38.13 | mahiro | ok an other thing, if i put it in the onupdate, will this repeat with the frameupdate or will it just fire once? |
| 02:38.33 | Shirik | OnUpdate gets called on every frame refresh |
| 02:38.46 | Shirik | but, do you really need it that accurate is the question |
| 02:38.57 | Shirik | because it could kill a system if you try to do too much processing in OnUpdate |
| 02:39.08 | Shirik | so you may want to do something like, check to see if it's been 1s since last time it was tested |
| 02:39.19 | Shirik | http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Use_OnUpdate_Correctly |
| 02:39.30 | mahiro | i dont need it that accurate but i have no idea how to check it on evets.... |
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| 02:40.05 | Xenok\busy | hmm I have http://wowi.pastey.net/7738 I want it to check if Bookmarks fontstring has text.. and if it does it should move on to check noteedit2 fontstring and place the text there.. and if it has text it moves on to noteedit3 and all the way to 8.. but it just replaces bookmark fonstring |
| 02:40.34 | Xenok\busy | I thought it was right O.o |
| 02:40.57 | mahiro | i already have an option to change the update rate but it seems to use a lot of resources if i add the fade function in there.... |
| 02:42.01 | mahiro | maybe i done something wrong but if i activate the function the increasing rate goes up to about 30 or so:/ |
| 02:45.22 | oTem | ... I _hate_ B-Trees |
| 02:45.40 | oTem | no, I just hate the way people insist on drawing them |
| 02:45.46 | Xenok\busy | hmm? |
| 02:45.52 | Shirik | drawing? |
| 02:45.59 | Shirik | I... don't think I've ever drawn one |
| 02:46.07 | Xenok\busy | B-Trees? |
| 02:46.07 | oTem | yes well |
| 02:46.08 | Shirik | no I take that back I have in my CS classes |
| 02:46.20 | Shirik | only because I was required |
| 02:46.23 | oTem | the last question on this assignment is to draw one |
| 02:46.29 | oTem | and I _really_ don't feel like it |
| 02:46.34 | Xenok\busy | lol |
| 02:46.48 | Shirik | xenok: If you're still learning how variables work, I'd recommend you don't ask about b-trees ^^ |
| 02:46.53 | Xenok\busy | lol |
| 02:46.56 | Xenok\busy | good idea |
| 02:47.06 | Shirik | that's the equivalent of trying to learn linked lists before learning pointers |
| 02:47.13 | Xenok\busy | ohh |
| 02:47.15 | Xenok\busy | ouch |
| 02:47.37 | Tain | :/ Heroes too good, not fair. |
| 02:47.37 | Xenok\busy | or doing naxx at 50 >.> |
| 02:47.48 | oTem | google.com "b trees" I'm feeling lucky |
| 02:48.10 | Xenok\busy | shirik: can you found out whats wrong with http://wowi.pastey.net/7738? |
| 02:48.44 | Xenok\busy | s/http://wowi.pastey.net/7738?/http://wowi.pastey.net/7738/ |
| 02:48.50 | Xenok\busy | oh fine |
| 02:49.31 | oTem | fuck it.. I'll use the art of procrastination to get out of doing it |
| 02:49.37 | Xenok\busy | XD |
| 02:50.11 | Xenok\busy | ~lart oTem |
| 02:50.19 | Xenok\busy | hair of? |
| 02:50.24 | oTem | ~whaleblock |
| 02:50.35 | oTem | ~whaleblock purl |
| 02:50.38 | Xenok\busy | .. hair OF? |
| 02:50.50 | Xenok\busy | purl, typo |
| 02:50.51 | purl | hmm... typo is when someone tries to type really fast without knowing what he is actually doing.... so he makes typing mistakes, or rm -rf / |
| 02:51.09 | Xenok\busy | wtf is rm -rf / |
| 02:51.23 | oTem | it's the linux version of "format c:" |
| 02:51.27 | oTem | (well, sort of) |
| 02:51.33 | Xenok\busy | oh |
| 02:51.44 | Xenok\busy | forget linix |
| 02:51.47 | Xenok\busy | er |
| 02:51.50 | Xenok\busy | linux |
| 02:51.52 | Shirik | oh |
| 02:51.54 | Shirik | speaking of that |
| 02:52.10 | oTem | ~whaleparry |
| 02:52.17 | Shirik | always know the difference between rm -r /dir/ and rm -r /dir / |
| 02:52.20 | Shirik | note the space in the second one |
| 02:52.27 | Shirik | I... accidentally did the second one once |
| 02:52.28 | oTem | lol |
| 02:52.31 | Shirik | wasn't pretty |
| 02:52.32 | Xenok\busy | what happend? |
| 02:52.39 | Shirik | first |
| 02:52.41 | oTem | at least you didn't ahve the -f |
| 02:52.46 | Shirik | it deleted all of my webserver's files, which was intended |
| 02:52.52 | Shirik | then it proceeded to delete everything in root |
| 02:52.56 | Xenok\busy | EEP |
| 02:52.56 | Shirik | minus maybe 5 files |
| 02:53.01 | Shirik | which were currently in use |
| 02:53.26 | Shirik | oTem: yes that was fortunate |
| 02:53.27 | WobWork | >< |
| 02:53.46 | WobWork | ~comfort Shirik |
| 02:53.50 | Shirik | ^^ |
| 02:53.53 | Shirik | it's ok, this was years ago |
| 02:53.57 | Shirik | now I just make jokes about it |
| 02:53.58 | Kirkburn | Windows ftw :P |
| 02:54.02 | oTem | hardly |
| 02:54.05 | Xenok | windows ftw |
| 02:54.15 | oTem | that being said, I <3 vista so far |
| 02:54.21 | Xenok | I use XP |
| 02:54.26 | Xenok | i heard that vista was bad |
| 02:54.32 | oTem | I will _never_ use xp again |
| 02:54.43 | Xenok | shirik .. what? |
| 02:55.02 | Xenok | whats the major changes tem? |
| 02:55.02 | oTem | hey Cairenn, set mode +b on him |
| 02:55.07 | oTem | so he'll understand |
| 02:55.25 | Xenok | what does B do? |
| 02:55.31 | Nom- | woooooooot |
| 02:55.31 | oTem | I bet you can guess |
| 02:55.35 | Nom- | <3 Armory |
| 02:55.37 | Xenok | ban? |
| 02:55.40 | oTem | ding indg |
| 02:55.43 | Xenok | eep |
| 02:55.46 | oTem | s/indg/ding/ |
| 02:55.47 | Shirik | http://www.alien.net.au/irc/chanmodes.html |
| 02:55.56 | Xenok | ty shirik! that will help |
| 02:56.01 | Nom- | I love XSLT driven web sites |
| 02:56.05 | Nom- | Makes it so easy to data mine :) |
| 02:56.19 | FlAWD | woot! |
| 02:56.21 | FlAWD | http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=macs_cant |
| 02:56.34 | Kirkburn | Aww, I wanted it to say "JUMP" |
| 02:57.43 | Xenok | lol FLAWD |
| 02:57.52 | Xenok | that page fits your name |
| 02:58.11 | Shirik | "Back in the late 90s, everyone used Real Player. Then those cocks at Real Network got greedy, and tried to get their application to take over your entire PC, and people stopped using it. Same thing is happening with Quicktime now. You can't install Quicktime anymore unless you download bull**** iTunes." |
| 02:58.11 | Xenok | if i typed it right :P |
| 02:58.11 | Shirik | so true |
| 02:58.13 | FlAWD | =] |
| 02:58.23 | Shirik | oops |
| 02:58.33 | Shirik | tried to make it SFW but um... failed at censoring all |
| 02:58.35 | Xenok | LOL iTunes is wierd |
| 02:58.57 | FlAWD | i hate itunes with a passion |
| 02:59.01 | Xenok | I prefer sonicstage |
| 02:59.15 | FlAWD | as well as imacs |
| 02:59.22 | FlAWD | and ipods |
| 02:59.24 | FlAWD | and iphones |
| 02:59.24 | Xenok | hehe |
| 02:59.26 | FlAWD | and icrap |
| 02:59.28 | FlAWD | and ianything |
| 02:59.52 | Kirkburn | lol - http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/images/eula.gif |
| 02:59.53 | FlAWD | if it has an i infront of it (that isn't normally there) it should be blown up, along with the creators |
| 03:00.09 | Xenok | Shirik ... why is it that http://wowi.pastey.net/7738 doesn't work? It looks right |
| 03:00.20 | Shirik | I guarantee you it works exactly as you coded it |
| 03:00.36 | Xenok | it didn't :P |
| 03:00.49 | Shirik | unless you have found some strange bug that nobody else has |
| 03:00.58 | Shirik | I guarantee you, WYSIWYG |
| 03:01.10 | Shirik | in a non-conventional use of the term |
| 03:01.23 | FlAWD | wasn't that a song name? |
| 03:01.43 | FlAWD | nvm |
| 03:02.47 | cladhaire | Anyone have a good idea how to get VCD's off a disk on mac os x? |
| 03:02.56 | FlAWD | lol |
| 03:03.17 | FlAWD | make an image? and mount it? if you can do that on a mac.. |
| 03:03.22 | Kirkburn | 2.0.10 tonight? |
| 03:03.24 | cladhaire | ... |
| 03:03.33 | cladhaire | I know how to make an image and mount it |
| 03:03.35 | cladhaire | that's not what i'm asking |
| 03:03.38 | cladhaire | i need the raw video |
| 03:03.40 | cladhaire | so i can re-burn onto a dvd |
| 03:04.10 | FlAWD | windows apps you can use for that: isobuster, vcdgear, tmpgenc |
| 03:04.13 | FlAWD | check for mac versions? |
| 03:04.34 | cladhaire | thanks. |
| 03:04.34 | Tain | Fuck fuck fuck fuck no Heroes is not fair this is the best thing on |
| 03:04.41 | cladhaire | Tain: hehehe |
| 03:04.49 | cladhaire | i actually watched it tonight on time |
| 03:04.52 | *** join/#wowi-lounge ckknight (n=ckknight@198.199.136.150) |
| 03:05.03 | Karrion | Kirkburn: people on forums are saying there's an early shutdown login message, which would tend to support the hypothesis |
| 03:05.16 | Cairenn | I like how he actually capitalized the first letter of that "sentence" |
| 03:05.29 | bleetah | cladhaire: the name of the program's on the tip of my tongue.. give me a couple of mins |
| 03:05.31 | Cairenn | most people when raving like that don't worry about the leading capital letter |
| 03:05.40 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 03:05.58 | Kirkburn | Twas a good episode of Heroes |
| 03:06.01 | Shirik | cladhaire: http://youtube.com/watch?v=iEAGmBRC1dc |
| 03:06.05 | Shirik | he probably can tell you how |
| 03:06.12 | cladhaire | seen it. |
| 03:06.13 | cladhaire | =) |
| 03:07.10 | bleetah | cladhaire: I think the tool you're probably after is MacTheRipper, but it's a bit hard to find due to.. erm.. legal threats, etc. |
| 03:07.56 | cladhaire | i can get it |
| 03:07.58 | bleetah | I know it does DVDs, I'm guessing it'll do VCDs as well |
| 03:08.00 | cladhaire | but it doesn't sem to like VCD |
| 03:08.09 | cladhaire | vcdgear has a beta out for universal binaries tho |
| 03:08.10 | bleetah | thing is, tohugh, you could try using a windows app under wine! :-P |
| 03:08.11 | cladhaire | seems to be working |
| 03:08.13 | cladhaire | i'm hopeful |
| 03:08.27 | bleetah | heh, g'luck to you then :) |
| 03:09.20 | Shirik | is there some kind of cygwin for mac? |
| 03:09.28 | cladhaire | you don't nee cygwin |
| 03:09.30 | cladhaire | its a posix environment. |
| 03:09.32 | Shirik | that's what I thought... but |
| 03:09.39 | FlAWD | dvddecrypter works on ... well .. anything |
| 03:09.47 | Shirik | then I was asking someone about the way it handles file paths |
| 03:09.52 | Shirik | and it looked all jacked up |
| 03:09.53 | cladhaire | its unix |
| 03:09.57 | FlAWD | any media* not sure about operating system |
| 03:10.01 | cladhaire | straight and simple.. =) |
| 03:10.03 | bleetah | if you wanna build win32 on mac, it'd be pretty much the same, I guess, as building win32 on linux. |
| 03:10.11 | bleetah | mingw and friends |
| 03:10.55 | cladhaire | well the only reason you need msys and friends on win32 is because its not posix |
| 03:10.59 | bleetah | eg, norg's app builds on a linux box, I know we're building linux and win32, I think we we're looking at also building macos binaries on linux as well, although not too sure how far he got with that |
| 03:10.59 | cladhaire | so really nothing will compile |
| 03:11.07 | cladhaire | you could get a straightforward cross compiler wihtout much issue. |
| 03:11.41 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+v Guillotine] by ChanServ |
| 03:11.53 | FlAWD | you can build any binaries under any platform |
| 03:12.22 | bleetah | http://www.mingw.org/MinGWiki/index.php/build%20a%20Win32%20x-compiler%20for%20Linux |
| 03:12.22 | cladhaire | cross compilers are ftw, indeed. |
| 03:12.50 | Shirik | so question |
| 03:12.56 | bleetah | http://ranger.befunk.com/fink/darwin-cross/ |
| 03:13.01 | *** join/#wowi-lounge GomiNoSensei (i=tonyd@d205-250-164-37.bchsia.telus.net) |
| 03:13.19 | Shirik | should I build an installer binary for the updater so people don't have to do java -jar wowiupdater.jar |
| 03:13.24 | Shirik | or should I just distribute the jar |
| 03:13.30 | bleetah | I'm assuming with some magic you would get the 'same' happening on other platforms |
| 03:13.35 | oTem | oh wow |
| 03:13.49 | oTem | you can stream audio in remote desktop now |
| 03:14.01 | oTem | it compreses the hell out of it, but it's still acceptable quality |
| 03:14.37 | bleetah | Shirik: most of your Win32 users will expect an installer, and would stare blankly at a .jar ;) |
| 03:14.45 | Shirik | that's what I figured |
| 03:15.01 | Shirik | but that means more work for me :)( |
| 03:15.10 | Shirik | s/:)/: |
| 03:15.12 | Shirik | bleh |
| 03:15.21 | oTem | I would bet that upwards of 98% of w32 users wouldn't know what a .jar was at all |
| 03:15.23 | Shirik | I heard somewhere that the MSI installer was open-source... anyone know where to get it? |
| 03:15.26 | oTem | much less how to run it |
| 03:15.49 | bleetah | Shirik: NSIS installers ftw! |
| 03:15.55 | bleetah | http://nsis.sourceforge.net/ |
| 03:16.21 | Shirik | ah I've seen that used before |
| 03:16.53 | Kirkburn | so SO awesome - http://www.superdickery.com/seduction/1.html |
| 03:17.03 | Cairenn | unless you include an installer, you may as well not bother creating it in the first place, since the only people that will know how to use it are the folks that are in this channel to begin with (broad generalization I realize, but not all that broad) |
| 03:17.06 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Sole (n=chatzill@203-118-186-231.bliink.ihug.co.nz) |
| 03:18.28 | Shirik | it's mostly true |
| 03:18.41 | Shirik | only thing I'm worried about... well not so much with the linux guys but... mac users |
| 03:18.53 | Shirik | I don't think I can build for mac platform, and even if I can I have no way of testing it |
| 03:19.01 | Cairenn | so you get to build and maintain three versions ... |
| 03:19.21 | Cairenn | sure you do, there are mac users in channel that might be willing to test for you |
| 03:19.48 | Cairenn | hey norgs :) |
| 03:20.03 | Shirik | ok, letm e stress the _I_ have no way of testing it :P |
| 03:20.11 | norgs | hey babe :) |
| 03:20.17 | Shirik | but yes mac users could help :) |
| 03:20.59 | norgs | mac users don't like installers |
| 03:21.31 | Shirik | why? |
| 03:22.06 | cladhaire | we have .app files |
| 03:22.11 | cladhaire | we just drag and drop them to the applications directory |
| 03:22.13 | cladhaire | or wherever we like |
| 03:22.19 | cladhaire | application bundles ftw =) |
| 03:22.21 | norgs | drag and drop is our friend |
| 03:22.39 | norgs | we get worried when the box pops up asking for our superuser password |
| 03:22.40 | Shirik | how would I make this "app file" |
| 03:23.06 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Antiar1 (n=Chris@wsip-70-184-82-98.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 03:23.11 | Shirik | the question really is |
| 03:23.18 | Shirik | how would a mac user go about running a java file? |
| 03:23.58 | Shirik | eh, my ex-roommate has a mac maybe I'll throw it at him :P |
| 03:24.32 | cladhaire | okay folks, night all |
| 03:24.35 | Shirik | night |
| 03:24.38 | *** part/#wowi-lounge bleetah (n=Bleeter@guifications/developer/bleeter) |
| 03:24.40 | Cairenn | night cladhaire |
| 03:27.40 | JoshBorke | night cladhaire! |
| 03:27.42 | JoshBorke | oh wait... |
| 03:31.14 | Cairenn | purl, hug JoshBorke |
| 03:31.22 | JoshBorke | purl, hug Cairenn |
| 03:31.32 | Cairenn | purl is broken or something |
| 03:31.36 | Shirik | purl, hold me |
| 03:31.38 | purl | ACTION Cuddles and comforts the poor down-troden shirik |
| 03:31.38 | JoshBorke | yea :-/ |
| 03:31.41 | Shirik | ^^ |
| 03:31.53 | Cairenn | someone took out hug? |
| 03:32.08 | JoshBorke | purl, massage Cairenn |
| 03:32.12 | JoshBorke | maybe he just doesn't like me? |
| 03:32.17 | Cairenn | or me |
| 03:32.26 | Tain | The hug nazi came. No hugs for you! |
| 03:32.28 | Cairenn | ~botsnack |
| 03:32.28 | purl | Cairenn: :) |
| 03:32.33 | Shirik | purl, hug is <action> cuddles and comforts the poor down-trodden $who |
| 03:32.34 | purl | ...but hug is already something else... |
| 03:32.34 | Cairenn | hmmm |
| 03:32.37 | Shirik | wtf |
| 03:32.45 | Shirik | purl, forget hug |
| 03:32.50 | Cairenn | nooo |
| 03:32.55 | Shirik | 22:32:49 ‹purl› cannot remove factoid 'hug', too old. (13578.1477430556>5400) use 'no,' instead |
| 03:32.58 | Shirik | .... |
| 03:33.06 | Shirik | purl, what is hug |
| 03:33.08 | purl | Shirik: what are you talking about? |
| 03:33.08 | Tain | Don't go around changing what other people put in. |
| 03:33.20 | Shirik | hug exists but it doesn'te xist? |
| 03:33.26 | sysrage | purl, hug me |
| 03:33.32 | Cairenn | aye, don't mess with existing factoids, it upsets folks |
| 03:33.39 | Shirik | I can't remove it anyway >.> |
| 03:33.45 | Shirik | and you can't put it in >.> |
| 03:33.48 | Kirkburn | "<purl> "hug" is "<action> gives you a hug!" |
| 03:34.07 | Kirkburn | That's what literal hug gave me |
| 03:34.08 | Cairenn | if you were going to do it, it would be "purl, no, <action> is : |
| 03:34.12 | Cairenn | but you aren't going to, so ... |
| 03:34.18 | Shirik | ah |
| 03:34.36 | JoshBorke | ~literal hug |
| 03:34.37 | purl | "hug" is "<action> gives you a hug!" |
| 03:34.41 | Kirkburn | I told you! |
| 03:34.44 | Kirkburn | gah :) |
| 03:34.46 | Shirik | purl, "hug" me |
| 03:34.50 | JoshBorke | ~hug Cairenn |
| 03:34.57 | Shirik | something's broke :P |
| 03:35.00 | Cairenn | yup |
| 03:35.03 | Kirkburn | ~coconuts |
| 03:35.04 | purl | I've got a lovely bunch of coconuts, there they are all standing in a row. Big ones, small ones, some as big as your head, give them a twist, a flick of the wrist, that's what the showman said! |
| 03:35.40 | Tain | I blame society. |
| 03:35.40 | Cairenn | there used to be a ton more in there than just that |
| 03:35.40 | Kirkburn | http://www.superdickery.com/seduction/38.html |
| 03:35.40 | Tain | ~hug |
| 03:35.44 | purl | ACTION gives you a hug! |
| 03:35.44 | Tain | Well I think purl is just shy. |
| 03:36.01 | Cairenn | evening Iriel |
| 03:36.03 | Kirkburn | zomg |
| 03:36.04 | Shirik | ~hug |
| 03:36.05 | purl | ACTION gives you a hug! |
| 03:36.07 | Shirik | yey |
| 03:36.16 | Iriel | Evenin' |
| 03:36.22 | Shirik | ~hug Iriel |
| 03:36.26 | JoshBorke | ~hug me |
| 03:36.27 | Kirkburn | Someone must have broken only the argument bit then |
| 03:36.47 | Shirik | ~literal hug |
| 03:36.48 | purl | "hug" is "<action> gives you a hug!" |
| 03:36.50 | JoshBorke | ~literal whaleslap |
| 03:36.51 | purl | "whaleslap" is "<action> slaps <target> with a whale." |
| 03:36.52 | Shirik | it doesn't show an argument |
| 03:37.00 | Cairenn | and taken all the alternate versions out |
| 03:37.03 | Shirik | it says "you" |
| 03:37.09 | JoshBorke | ~literal hug |
| 03:37.11 | purl | "hug" is "<action> gives you a hug!" |
| 03:37.26 | JoshBorke | purl, no hug is <action> gives <target> a hug |
| 03:37.27 | purl | JoshBorke: okay |
| 03:37.31 | JoshBorke | ~hug Cairenn |
| 03:37.53 | Tain | ~spam Iriel |
| 03:38.19 | JoshBorke | not like anything else is going on :-P |
| 03:38.21 | Shirik | ~lart Tain |
| 03:38.43 | Shirik | Yeah, this is a group effort anyway! |
| 03:38.51 | Shirik | We are working in collaboration attempting to find purl's problem |
| 03:39.15 | Tain | Really life is meaningless for the next six weeks without any new Heroes. |
| 03:39.25 | Shirik | what's a hero? |
| 03:44.40 | Kirkburn | http://www.superdickery.com/seduction/57.html |
| 03:45.06 | Xenok\away | FlAWD: 10(219:019:0010) 10(915Shirik10) I guarantee you, WYSIWYG |
| 03:45.06 | Xenok\away | 10(219:019:1110) 10(915Shirik10) in a non-conventional use of the term |
| 03:45.07 | Xenok\away | 10(219:019:2410) 10(915FlAWD10) wasn't that a song name? |
| 03:45.10 | Xenok\away | I think so |
| 03:45.19 | Shirik | WYSIWYG? |
| 03:45.24 | Shirik | It means what you see is what you get. |
| 03:45.31 | Shirik | Garbage in -> Garbage out |
| 03:45.31 | Xenok\away | right I hearda song about it :P |
| 03:45.58 | Xenok\away | in a childerns CD "The worst band in the universe" XD |
| 03:47.06 | Xenok\away | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Worst_Band_In_The_Universe "The book comes with a CD containing music based on a music competition that occurs in the middle of the story." |
| 04:05.36 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Shadowed (n=outlaw@12.157.177.162) |
| 04:06.18 | Corrodias | man, i hope that petextend author gets something out soon |
| 04:06.35 | Corrodias | i've started my new hunter and he's already being a pain, with trying to level a pet and manage its focus for Growl |
| 04:09.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | i just tend not to worry about it |
| 04:09.18 | Corrodias | i tend to draw aggro and die if i don't ;D |
| 04:09.26 | Xenok | omg.... http://wowi.pastey.net/7745 only thing that shows up is when that highlighted line is there.. and it only shows the highlighted line. |
| 04:09.44 | Xenok | and i tried using prints but nothing showed up |
| 04:10.15 | Corrodias | my experience with my old hunter is that, using a bow purchased by a higher level character, my pet has enough trouble holding aggro if it doesn't use growl whenever possible |
| 04:12.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm beast mastery spec atm so i don't have much problems with him holding aggro |
| 04:13.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | especially when i use intimidation |
| 04:13.34 | WobWork | oh man |
| 04:13.35 | WobWork | ^^ |
| 04:14.02 | WobWork | 535 schools from 73 different countries around the world have signed up for our World Maths Day event =) |
| 04:15.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | bet you'd get more if you removed that extraneous "s" :p |
| 04:16.19 | WobWork | Oh we've catered to you weird americans |
| 04:16.28 | WobWork | we've got worldmathsday.com and worldmathday.com |
| 04:16.39 | WobWork | no fear =P |
| 04:16.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | haha |
| 04:16.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | you've thought of everything |
| 04:17.28 | WobWork | hehe, only 4 schools from the US have registered =P |
| 04:17.30 | WobWork | lame =P |
| 04:18.18 | Xenok | cuz the us hates math.. all other coutries live for it |
| 04:18.29 | Xenok | like china |
| 04:19.02 | WobWork | only 12 schools from china |
| 04:19.08 | Xenok | still more than US |
| 04:19.12 | Xenok | how about japan? |
| 04:20.04 | WobWork | 5 from japan |
| 04:20.11 | WobWork | 358 from the UK =P |
| 04:20.19 | WobWork | 13 from Pakistan |
| 04:20.24 | WobWork | 10 from Ecuador |
| 04:20.26 | Xenok | wtg UK |
| 04:20.36 | WobWork | and 10 from United Arab Emirates =) |
| 04:20.42 | WobWork | everyone else is one or two |
| 04:20.56 | Xenok | wow... |
| 04:21.04 | Xenok | that number of awnser is moving fast |
| 04:21.31 | Corrodias | do paladins have some kind of ranged attack, or can they use ranged weapons, now? |
| 04:21.35 | WobWork | oh that number is live =) |
| 04:21.36 | Xenok | no |
| 04:21.50 | Xenok | pallys only ranged that I know of is judgment |
| 04:21.59 | Xenok | Wob: WOW |
| 04:22.39 | Xenok | that number is updated everytime theres a new correct awser?! |
| 04:22.49 | Xenok | there's over 1000 people on |
| 04:23.02 | WobWork | yep |
| 04:23.09 | Xenok | some people like math :P |
| 04:23.24 | WobWork | hehe, it's cause Live Mathletics is fun =) |
| 04:23.32 | Xenok | lol |
| 04:23.50 | WobWork | it's flat out mental arithmetic, but it's against kids all over the world |
| 04:23.59 | Xenok | scary |
| 04:24.20 | WobWork | so you can end up competing against an australian, a brit and an angolan =) |
| 04:24.24 | Corrodias | so if a paladin wants to pull things at a range, he'd have to use that or engineering for the death ray or something |
| 04:24.42 | WobWork | What's that pally shield toss? |
| 04:24.50 | WobWork | That's a pull |
| 04:24.51 | Corrodias | avenger's shield, dazes 3 targets |
| 04:24.54 | WobWork | yeah |
| 04:25.07 | Corrodias | i can only imagine that that's like pulling with multishot |
| 04:25.29 | WobWork | Except pallies can take a bit more of a beating than a hunter could |
| 04:25.36 | Xenok | protection pallys ftw |
| 04:25.36 | WobWork | and it doesn't deal as much damage =P |
| 04:25.42 | Xenok | but more than a warr |
| 04:25.45 | Corrodias | yes, but that's beside the point |
| 04:26.02 | WobWork | well, it means you have to work harder to get as much aggro as a multishot would have |
| 04:26.11 | Xenok | my 17 BE pallies highest crit is 192... level 17!!! |
| 04:26.37 | WobWork | although you can just do the pallytanking taunt on the hunter |
| 04:26.56 | Xenok | rightous defence? |
| 04:27.03 | Corrodias | but the question remains: what's the best way to make a good, ranged pull (NOT 3 targets at once) with a paladin? |
| 04:27.14 | WobWork | My knowledge of actual pally skillnames are minimal as I've only observed |
| 04:27.15 | Xenok | 10yrd ranged judgement |
| 04:27.41 | Corrodias | 10 yards isn't much to play with |
| 04:27.46 | Xenok | I know |
| 04:27.47 | Xenok | sad |
| 04:27.51 | Corrodias | i'd call opening with the gnomish death ray superior to -that- |
| 04:28.02 | Xenok | lo |
| 04:28.05 | Xenok | lol* |
| 04:28.54 | WobWork | Xenok: yeah, must be righteous defence |
| 04:28.57 | Xenok | why is it that the only time anything shows up with this code its the highlighet line.. and when I take it out.. nothing http://wowi.pastey.net/7745 |
| 04:29.07 | Xenok | k |
| 04:30.59 | WobWork | Corrodias: you could possibly use Shield to pull a single target |
| 04:31.05 | WobWork | Avengers Shield |
| 04:31.20 | WobWork | if there aren't any other npcs close by, it won't jump to them |
| 04:31.53 | Xenok | like shammans chain lightning |
| 04:32.01 | Corrodias | yeah... |
| 04:32.14 | Corrodias | i'll have to examine the professions and see what can make items with ranged effects |
| 04:32.21 | Corrodias | and/or drop items |
| 04:34.47 | Xenok | LOL who posted http://wowi.pastey.net/7744? |
| 04:34.58 | Xenok | umm http://wowi.pastey.net/7744 |
| 04:35.49 | Nom- | Anyone know of a page where I can get a whole heap of WoW icons |
| 04:36.07 | Nom- | like class icons, race icons, faction icons |
| 04:36.17 | Xenok | hmm |
| 04:36.22 | Nom- | something a bit bigger than the forums use...those are tiny |
| 04:37.09 | Cairenn | Nom-: whole bunch of them on WoWI - avatars |
| 04:37.26 | Cairenn | crests, races, classes, trades |
| 04:38.12 | Nom- | ORLY ? |
| 04:38.16 | Cairenn | yarly |
| 04:38.29 | Nom- | Under what section? |
| 04:38.33 | Cairenn | ... |
| 04:38.53 | Cairenn | where do you suppose you would find the selection of avatars? |
| 04:39.04 | Xenok | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/downloads/ bottem right... "other dowloads" section . "Warcraft Fan Site Kit |
| 04:39.12 | Xenok | has icons i was told |
| 04:39.26 | Cairenn | Xenok: nope |
| 04:39.30 | Xenok | darn |
| 04:39.44 | Xenok | I wanted to actually be helpful :P |
| 04:39.45 | Nom- | Cairenn: It's called a LART |
| 04:39.54 | Xenok | ~lart Nom- |
| 04:40.00 | Xenok | XD |
| 04:40.00 | Nom- | Xenok: That's what I was looking for earlier |
| 04:40.04 | Cairenn | it has some, but not what Nom- is looking for |
| 04:40.08 | Xenok | ah |
| 04:40.24 | Nom- | ah stupid wow site |
| 04:40.39 | Nom- | If you actually go into 'other downloads' it's not there |
| 04:40.44 | Nom- | It's only as a link on that page |
| 04:41.03 | Xenok | I know its gay |
| 04:41.10 | Cairenn | I got the ones for our site by running the CUI, pulling all the graphics and converting them all from blp2, then playing with them to make them all pretty for the site |
| 04:41.30 | Cairenn | you can still pull it from the EU site, but it doesn't have what you are looking for |
| 04:41.30 | Xenok | good idea cairenn .. bit complex but it works |
| 04:41.52 | Cairenn | well, that's my point - they're already all there and ready to go, so why go through it all again, just snag them from me |
| 04:42.10 | Cairenn | Nom-: go to your UserCP, go to Avatar, go to Choose |
| 04:42.16 | Cairenn | right-click save as |
| 04:42.21 | Xenok | and save |
| 04:42.22 | Nom- | Yeah I found that |
| 04:42.35 | Nom- | They're a bit chunkier than i'm after lol |
| 04:42.47 | Nom- | I'm after something around the 64x64 size |
| 04:43.00 | Xenok | shirik: you said that http://wowi.pastey.net/7738 would work XD |
| 04:43.10 | Shirik | I said it would work exactly as you coded it |
| 04:43.17 | Xenok | annnd it doesn't |
| 04:43.19 | Cairenn | only ones I don't have yet are the 7 new ones - BE crest, BE female, BE male, Dra crest, Dra female, Dra male & Jewelcrafting |
| 04:43.21 | Shirik | I guarantee you it does |
| 04:43.28 | Xenok | .. |
| 04:43.36 | Cairenn | Nom-: so cut them down :p |
| 04:43.57 | Corrodias | at least Engineering lets you craft numerous ranged-effect trinkets |
| 04:44.11 | Corrodias | 5 minutes cooldown on each, though... |
| 04:44.23 | Nom- | yep web site kit is useless :( |
| 04:44.45 | Xenok | darnit |
| 04:44.54 | Cairenn | lalala, how are you today wall? I didn't see you there. how's the wife and kids? |
| 04:45.08 | Xenok | did you run into a wall? |
| 04:45.25 | Cairenn | no, but some days I feel like I'm talking to one :p |
| 04:45.30 | Xenok | oh lol I see |
| 04:45.49 | Thunder_Child | the wall has a wife and kids? |
| 04:46.16 | Xenok | I was about to say that |
| 04:46.23 | Xenok | >< |
| 04:46.31 | Thunder_Child | hah, beat you to the punch |
| 04:46.35 | Xenok | sure did |
| 04:46.49 | Thunder_Child | that just proves that i am a bigger ass then you |
| 04:47.31 | Xenok | yes |
| 04:47.38 | Xenok | Shirik: it doesn't work >< |
| 04:47.51 | Shirik | I reiterate, it works precisely the way you coded it |
| 04:48.11 | Xenok | then .. why won't the text show? |
| 04:48.14 | Xenok | lol |
| 04:48.20 | Shirik | because you didn't tell it to |
| 04:48.23 | Xenok | I did to! |
| 04:48.36 | Shirik | if you told it to show, it, logically, would be showing |
| 04:49.14 | Xenok | http://wowi.pastey.net/7748 !!!! |
| 04:49.47 | Shirik | didn't I tell you there were three requirements for anything to show? |
| 04:49.59 | Xenok | yeah... but .... hmm |
| 04:50.17 | Xenok | I didn't nead to use noteedit:SetPoint("TOPRIGHT", "UIParent", "TOPRIGHT", 0, 0); |
| 04:50.19 | WobWork | ~comfort Shirik |
| 04:50.22 | Xenok | to get it to work before |
| 04:50.30 | Xenok | I just ... I forget |
| 04:50.33 | Shirik | let's put it this way |
| 04:50.37 | Xenok | >< |
| 04:50.39 | Shirik | You have never told me what you intend for it to do |
| 04:50.45 | Shirik | therefore, all I have to go by is what the code says |
| 04:50.53 | Shirik | and like I said, it is operating exactly the way you coded it |
| 04:51.18 | Xenok | just asec |
| 04:52.02 | Xenok | its supposed to read if the predicesor has text.. and if it does.. supposed to go to the next if.. and put it there ... but if that one is taken. goes to the NEXT if |
| 04:53.20 | Xenok | oh I think I needed to change from == to ~= ? |
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| 05:02.59 | mahiro | is there a way to block whispers from lvl1 chars? |
| 05:03.36 | mahiro | or does someone knows an addon which can do that? |
| 05:04.02 | Xenok | umm lol "can i have sum muny plz?!" |
| 05:04.28 | Shirik | it would be extremely difficult to implemenet |
| 05:04.43 | Shirik | because in order to do it, it would have to submit a /who request on each incoming whisper |
| 05:04.48 | Xenok | eep |
| 05:04.49 | Shirik | which then would take time to return |
| 05:05.02 | mahiro | hmm |
| 05:05.05 | Shirik | and, if you're getting whispers too quickly, it might mean that the requestwould never return |
| 05:05.07 | Xenok | cuz there is like char xyl and char xylia |
| 05:05.12 | Xenok | but you /who xyl |
| 05:05.16 | Shirik | because the server rejects requests incoming too quickly |
| 05:05.21 | mahiro | wtb lvl1 whisper block addon:D |
| 05:05.33 | Shirik | the problem isn't blocking people who are level 1, it's figuring out who is level 1 |
| 05:06.33 | Iriel | Well, you CAN do /who 1 from time to time |
| 05:06.45 | Iriel | and get a pretty good picture of the current level 1's |
| 05:06.46 | Xenok | didnt' think of that |
| 05:07.00 | Shirik | isn't there a limit of 50 users per /who request? |
| 05:07.02 | Xenok | buuut it only lists a certain amount of 1s |
| 05:07.08 | Xenok | beat me to it shirik |
| 05:07.09 | mahiro | hmm |
| 05:07.09 | Iriel | indeed, you'd get up to 50 |
| 05:07.17 | Iriel | possibly less, it depends |
| 05:07.30 | Shirik | I guess there can't be that many 1s |
| 05:07.31 | WobWork | You could possibly cycle through class |
| 05:07.39 | WobWork | or class/race |
| 05:07.45 | mahiro | is there on other way to block those gold seller whispers? |
| 05:07.46 | Xenok | like when I did /who blood elf it didn't show the blood elf I was looking for but was on when I /who the name |
| 05:07.50 | WobWork | which would probably give you everything |
| 05:07.54 | Shirik | mahiro: look up "spamsentry" |
| 05:07.58 | Iriel | mahiro: Report them and get them banned? 8-) |
| 05:08.00 | WobWork | but you'd be doing constant who requests |
| 05:08.06 | WobWork | just to keep up to date |
| 05:08.20 | Shirik | which may mean when you want to do a /who you may not be able to request it |
| 05:08.24 | WobWork | aye |
| 05:08.26 | Shirik | because the addon already took it |
| 05:08.30 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5552-SpamSentry.html |
| 05:08.32 | WobWork | *yoink* |
| 05:08.39 | Iriel | It's /who r-Blood Elf |
| 05:08.48 | mahiro | well most of the time their off after sending it... and they seem to create random names and rewhisper again |
| 05:08.48 | WobWork | r-"Blood Elf" ? |
| 05:08.54 | Xenok | r-? |
| 05:08.56 | Iriel | you dont need the "'s |
| 05:08.57 | WobWork | race |
| 05:08.58 | Iriel | r- == race |
| 05:09.04 | WobWork | man that's clever =) |
| 05:09.16 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6611-LayGoldSellerTicket.html |
| 05:09.19 | Xenok | I wanted to look for someone named vythica.. a bloodelf |
| 05:09.26 | Xenok | so nvm |
| 05:09.32 | Iriel | you have to be careful with the queries that return large numbers of results |
| 05:09.34 | WobWork | I need a name for my new BE pally |
| 05:09.36 | Shirik | in any case, spamsentry uses pattern matching to block whispers,a nd seems to work pretty well |
| 05:09.56 | Nom- | Anyone had any luck with pulling content from Armory ? :) |
| 05:09.56 | Xenok | awsome cairenn |
| 05:10.00 | Iriel | because they can be truncated, and if you're querying on lots of different things, they can truncate in unpredictable ways |
| 05:10.14 | Cairenn | those are the two I am aware of |
| 05:10.26 | Shirik | The only thing I don't like about spamsentry |
| 05:10.28 | Nom- | I want to auto-generate my signature based on the XML data from Armory (with a cache inbetween of course to prevent spammage) |
| 05:10.28 | Tierrie | hi folks |
| 05:10.34 | Xenok | that ticket one will be very good |
| 05:10.36 | Tierrie | i wanted to tell you guys that i'm amazing |
| 05:10.40 | Tierrie | also hi Cairenn |
| 05:10.43 | Cairenn | I think there might be a third on our site, but I don't recall the name of it atm and don't feel like going digging atm |
| 05:10.46 | Shirik | is sometimes it blocks people for when people pm you with "RAWR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" |
| 05:10.48 | Cairenn | hi Tierrie |
| 05:10.59 | Tierrie | slash ignore shirik |
| 05:11.02 | Tierrie | hahaa hi mate |
| 05:11.03 | Iriel | Shirik: How is that bad? |
| 05:11.08 | Shirik | getting there hang on >< |
| 05:11.09 | Xenok | lol |
| 05:11.19 | Shirik | and if you're in a BG, it blocks them and there's no way to un-ignore them if they're from a different realm |
| 05:11.30 | Shirik | I understand that it's a pointless pm, but I still need to see what they write in /bg chat >< |
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| 05:11.42 | Shirik | when I try to un-ignore them, it just says "that user doesn't exist" |
| 05:11.44 | Tierrie | so i bought some of those mega lottos today and spent my free time (driving home, at dinner) thinking about what to do if i win |
| 05:11.56 | Shirik | Tierrie: don't get your hopes up |
| 05:11.57 | Xenok | OMG GMS TYPO?! http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/full6190.jpg |
| 05:11.58 | Cairenn | both seem to do pretty much the same thing from the descriptions - auto-report them to the GMs and dump them on your /ignore list |
| 05:12.12 | Tierrie | shirik: i know but i think i do it for the brief lustful thinking |
| 05:12.17 | Shirik | I know SpamSentry allows you to build up a list of PMs, and then with one click, boom send ticket |
| 05:12.24 | Shirik | I usually wait until I get 5 or so and then send the report |
| 05:12.29 | Nom- | bah never mind |
| 05:12.36 | Nom- | I have to pretend to be firefox in order to get XML back |
| 05:12.36 | Nom- | :( |
| 05:13.03 | Shirik | it also has a titan/fubar plugin |
| 05:13.07 | Tierrie | ooh i bet i could write a perl script that auto generates the sig |
| 05:13.45 | Karrion | Nom-: like http://jebus.geek.nz/WoW/armory/pve/Terenas/Karrion/sig3.jpg ? |
| 05:13.47 | Thunder_Child | and bites? |
| 05:14.12 | Cairenn | and on that note, night guys |
| 05:14.17 | Karrion | (I didn't write that, but it's cool) |
| 05:14.19 | Thunder_Child | night Cairenn |
| 05:14.20 | Karrion | night Cairenn |
| 05:14.37 | Xenok | ive seen scripts for that .. just dont remember where |
| 05:14.49 | Karrion | I have written some php to pull heroic mode keying info for my guild out of the armoury though |
| 05:16.17 | Xenok | like my phpbb forum update sig: which never took off btw nor do I plan for it too http://11d7.net/forums/Signature/signaturephpbb.png |
| 05:16.42 | Xenok | I plan to recreat 11d7.net soon |
| 05:16.53 | Xenok | to something WoW like |
| 05:17.35 | Xenok | lol someone looking at the forums? the picture now says 2 guests |
| 05:17.53 | Xenok | 3! |
| 05:18.07 | Xenok | but i have to refresh to see updates >< |
| 05:18.16 | Nom- | Karrion: Yes |
| 05:18.23 | Nom- | Except i'm going a little further |
| 05:18.31 | Nom- | Going to have class icons and profession icons |
| 05:18.36 | Nom- | And a whole heap of other stuff |
| 05:19.28 | Karrion | cool |
| 05:19.36 | Nom- | Might even make it a shockwave thing eventually, but i don't know that many forums will allow that |
| 05:19.57 | Nom- | But it's going to be powered by the XML data from Armory |
| 05:20.02 | Nom- | 24 hour cache in a MySQL database :) |
| 05:20.16 | Karrion | and yeah, you have to set the user agent string, "Firefox/2.0" is sufficient |
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| 05:32.24 | Shirik | bleetah: If you're still here, NSIS is awesome by the way, thanks for pointing it out to me |
| 05:32.24 | Iriel | Whee, hooksecurefunc and debugstack can make for some useful code |
| 05:32.42 | Shirik | Iriel: What do you mean :/ |
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| 05:32.55 | Iriel | If you want to hook a specific call to a function |
| 05:32.55 | Shirik | are they changing? |
| 05:33.10 | Iriel | You can hooksecurefunc the function, then use debugstack to find out WHICH call it is |
| 05:33.29 | Shirik | ahh nice |
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| 05:33.39 | Iriel | Complete abuse of debugstack, but it works |
| 05:33.43 | Shirik | yeah |
| 05:33.51 | Shirik | I was about to say, never seen debugstack used programatically |
| 05:34.38 | Iriel | I wanted to pre-hook SecureActionButton_OnClick |
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| 05:34.38 | Iriel | So I hooked a function called near the start, then checked I got the right instance |
| 05:34.38 | Shirik | ha |
| 05:34.38 | Iriel | It's working nicely |
| 05:34.38 | Shirik | interesting |
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| 05:38.56 | Xenok | I though ~= means not equal to |
| 05:39.09 | Xenok | thought* |
| 05:39.10 | Iriel | It does |
| 05:39.13 | Xenok | hmm |
| 05:39.15 | Xenok | wierd |
| 05:40.21 | Xenok | this is just part of the long if and thens but http://wowi.pastey.net/7758 .. it prints "noteedit2" when I use printing |
| 05:40.24 | WobWork | Shirik: I've used debugstack to make sure I have the right path for a texture |
| 05:40.29 | Xenok | but its not supposed to |
| 05:40.45 | WobWork | cause Cartographer has an 'unpack' function that moves the modules into the main addon root |
| 05:40.52 | WobWork | but Iriel is madhax |
| 05:44.50 | Xenok | is anyone helping me with my pasty or are they off doing their own thing? |
| 05:46.35 | Xenok | ~poke shirik |
| 05:46.50 | Xenok | ~poke all |
| 05:49.26 | Xenok | im so lost |
| 05:51.53 | Xenok | and no one is here? |
| 05:52.30 | Xenok | hmm |
| 05:52.44 | Xenok | shirik you busy? or afk? |
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| 05:57.20 | Xenok | soo i have if ( Bookmarks:GetText() ~= "" )then buuuuut it ends up doing it anway |
| 05:57.20 | Xenok | if that makes sence |
| 05:57.20 | Iriel | Well, maybe it's not "" |
| 05:57.20 | Iriel | Maybe it's " " |
| 05:57.20 | Iriel | or something like that |
| 05:57.30 | Xenok | i used "" some where before and it worked fine |
| 05:57.41 | Xenok | its just doing the elses |
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| 06:08.02 | Esamynn | Xenok: are you callin :GetText() on an empty FontString? |
| 06:08.09 | Esamynn | if so, it will return nil, not "" |
| 06:08.30 | Xenok | hold on.. |
| 06:08.45 | Xenok | guna try somtin |
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| 06:10.46 | Xenok | well.. |
| 06:11.37 | Xenok | the Bookmarks:GetText() is actually |
| 06:13.00 | Xenok | my lua thinks that ~= and == are basicly the same thing somehow |
| 06:13.07 | Xenok | or reversed |
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| 06:14.08 | Iriel | Xenok: are you sure it's not returning nil? |
| 06:14.30 | Iriel | what does /dump Bookmarks:GetText() give you? |
| 06:14.35 | Iriel | If you dont have DevTools installed, go install it now |
| 06:14.43 | Xenok | umm ok |
| 06:15.06 | Xenok | why do I need this "DevTools"? |
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| 06:18.57 | Iriel | It makes your life easier when debugging |
| 06:19.12 | Iriel | for example you can find out Bookmarks:GetText() is really returning |
| 06:19.36 | Tierrie | can it? |
| 06:19.37 | Tierrie | how? |
| 06:19.46 | Tierrie | i thought it just registers functions and stuff |
| 06:19.54 | Tierrie | and then shows which event is triggering |
| 06:21.50 | Xenok | almost ready |
| 06:22.50 | Iriel | Tierrie: /dump gives you a bit more detail on what a string is, for example if it has markup characters inside then they're shown, whereas just an AddMessage processes them |
| 06:23.53 | Xenok | it showed the :SetText() that was set |
| 06:23.55 | Tierrie | is there a How-To? |
| 06:24.17 | Tierrie | because I don't understand the instructions |
| 06:24.28 | Tierrie | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:24.37 | Iriel | Tierrie: you just do something like /dump UnitName("player") |
| 06:24.40 | Iriel | or /dump ChatFrame1 |
| 06:24.59 | Xenok | ./dump yourfunction() |
| 06:25.09 | Tierrie | so it just evals the function? |
| 06:25.27 | Esamynn | correct |
| 06:25.31 | Tierrie | its a bit like MyDebug isn't it? |
| 06:25.39 | Iriel | It evaluates the expression and prints the result in a nice form |
| 06:25.43 | Esamynn | haven't heard of it |
| 06:25.51 | Esamynn | DevTools is the age old stand-by ;) |
| 06:25.56 | Xenok | Iriel: it said that the :SetText() that was set worked.. but thats the only thing |
| 06:26.17 | Iriel | Xenok: can you re-pastey your code then |
| 06:26.27 | Tierrie | MyDebug is a way to view variables |
| 06:26.34 | Tierrie | its pretty nice, it doesn't eval functions though |
| 06:27.03 | Xenok | it showed [1] = "46, 18" which is what I had my settext set to |
| 06:27.17 | Xenok | but thats it |
| 06:28.14 | Xenok | im using http://wowi.pastey.net/7759 |
| 06:28.49 | Xenok | its exactly what that portion of my lua looks like |
| 06:29.01 | Iriel | Ok, so what's it doing thatyou dont expect |
| 06:29.16 | Xenok | Its NOT doing what i expect |
| 06:29.35 | Iriel | What do you expect, and what is it doing |
| 06:29.45 | Xenok | its supposed to check if Bookmarks fontstring has something in it.. then try to place the text in the next fontstring... it just replaces Bookmarks |
| 06:30.47 | Iriel | Are you sure your code is running WHEN you expect it to be running? Are you triggering it by hand? |
| 06:31.03 | Esamynn | Xenok: :GetText() on a FontString willl NEVER return "" |
| 06:31.07 | Esamynn | it returns nil instead |
| 06:31.22 | Xenok | soo I replace all my "" with nil? |
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| 06:32.05 | Xenok | >< |
| 06:32.08 | Xenok | I didn't think of that |
| 06:32.23 | Esamynn | I ran into a similar problem a while back |
| 06:32.38 | Shirik | that's odd.. |
| 06:32.43 | Esamynn | took me forever to check my assumption that an empty FontString would return "" |
| 06:32.54 | Esamynn | but when I checked it, lo and behold it wasn't "" but nil instead |
| 06:33.01 | Shirik | so... if you did foo:SetText(""); if (foo:GetText()==nil) DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("wtf?!"); end |
| 06:33.03 | Shirik | you'll get a wtf? |
| 06:33.09 | Esamynn | correct |
| 06:33.12 | Xenok | I guess so |
| 06:33.16 | Shirik | w/e |
| 06:34.06 | Xenok | ok going to test now . |
| 06:34.43 | Xenok | oh wiat .. hold on |
| 06:35.44 | MentalPower|ZZzz | night guys |
| 06:35.46 | Iriel | Sleep time for me |
| 06:35.48 | Iriel | Goodnight |
| 06:35.54 | amro | goodnight |
| 06:38.26 | Xenok | hmm http://wowi.pastey.net/7762 it goes from bookmarks to noteedit2 just fine. but it doesn't go to noteedit3 |
| 06:39.14 | amro | eh |
| 06:39.19 | amro | you have two elses again |
| 06:39.24 | Esamynn | Xenok: btw, you don't need to do ~= nil, you can just do if ( noteedit2:GetText() ) then |
| 06:39.34 | Xenok | doh |
| 06:40.15 | Xenok | amro: its supposed to I think.. it goes up to noteedit8 :P |
| 06:40.32 | amro | also, Xenok, you don't need to check for Bookmarks:GetText() ~= nil |
| 06:40.37 | amro | since you're in an else clause |
| 06:41.07 | Xenok | it wouldn't go TO the else clause until I did ~= nil |
| 06:41.28 | Xenok | plus theres an IF in the else clause |
| 06:41.49 | amro | uh |
| 06:41.55 | amro | no, it goes to the else clause |
| 06:42.01 | amro | unless the condition in the first if is true |
| 06:42.11 | amro | in which case, the else clause isn't even looked at |
| 06:42.24 | Xenok | BUT I do the function again. |
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| 06:42.30 | Xenok | so it looks at it |
| 06:42.32 | Shirik | join #lua |
| 06:42.44 | Xenok | um why? |
| 06:42.47 | Shirik | .. |
| 06:42.53 | Shirik | I typed too quickly >.> |
| 06:42.57 | Xenok | lol |
| 06:43.06 | Xenok | missed a / ? |
| 06:43.12 | Shirik | well the / went in another window |
| 06:43.21 | Xenok | oh lol |
| 06:43.29 | amro | that's what you get for using a crappy client =P |
| 06:43.29 | Esamynn | lol |
| 06:43.37 | Shirik | no that's what I get for being lazy |
| 06:43.45 | Shirik | I could set it up to autojoin but meh |
| 06:43.46 | Shikatanai | anyone have a list of meta gems? |
| 06:44.08 | amro | truly lazy people would go through the trouble of setting up autojoin so they don't have to join each time :P |
| 06:44.16 | Xenok | good point |
| 06:46.08 | Shirik | I don't get it |
| 06:46.11 | Xenok | amro at the else clause comment: if i get rid of the IF in the else.. yes.. it works.. but it also goes to noteedit3 in adition to noteedit2 |
| 06:46.16 | Shirik | visual studio crashes every time I run this program |
| 06:46.22 | Shirik | and it's simply something the wizard made! |
| 06:46.32 | Shirik | screw .net |
| 06:47.24 | amro | Xenok: you have more than 2 elses |
| 06:47.28 | amro | fix your syntax |
| 06:48.09 | amro | Shirik: been there... next step is python.org |
| 06:48.09 | Xenok | its suposed to http://wowi.pastey.net/7763 |
| 06:48.23 | Shirik | all I want is to make a simple app |
| 06:48.30 | Shirik | to check a registry key and run exec() |
| 06:48.31 | Shirik | but nooo |
| 06:48.39 | Shirik | we can't even do System::Print(S"Hello World"); |
| 06:50.06 | amro | Xenok: sorry, I have to go. Good luck! |
| 06:50.10 | Xenok | aw |
| 06:50.14 | Xenok | you just can't stand me |
| 06:50.34 | Xenok | >.> |
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| 07:33.42 | Tierrie | great |
| 07:33.56 | Tierrie | i spent the whole evening figuring out why my mod broke because i moved my templates after my frames |
| 07:34.12 | Shirik | evening? |
| 07:34.16 | Shirik | it's almost 3am |
| 07:34.22 | Shirik | I would consider that the whole night |
| 07:34.45 | Tierrie | well i live in pst |
| 07:35.10 | Tierrie | god i want to get Ben and Jerry's Americone Dream |
| 07:35.25 | Shirik | :( |
| 07:35.27 | Shirik | you're making me hungry |
| 07:35.28 | Shirik | stop it |
| 07:35.37 | Tierrie | don't worry |
| 07:35.56 | Shirik | is there such a thing as making your program "too modular" ? |
| 07:36.01 | Shirik | I think I have too many #defines |
| 07:36.05 | Tierrie | its not like i mentioned succulent tender slightly moist steak |
| 07:37.33 | Shirik | !!! |
| 07:37.33 | Shirik | I hate you |
| 07:37.33 | Shirik | purl, feed me |
| 07:37.50 | purl | don't make me stuff a cookie up ibot's nose! |
| 07:37.50 | Shirik | :( |
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| 07:37.51 | Tierrie | too many defines is bad imho |
| 07:38.05 | Shirik | purl, feed is <action> cooks <target> a succulent, tender, slightly moist steak |
| 07:38.21 | purl | okay, Shirik |
| 07:38.23 | Shirik | purl, feed me |
| 07:38.29 | purl | don't make me stuff a cookie up ibot's nose! |
| 07:38.29 | Shirik | bleh >.> |
| 07:38.29 | Shirik | faster purl! |
| 07:38.37 | Tierrie | I prefer flags so you can make it configurable post compile |
| 07:38.49 | Shirik | hmm |
| 07:38.51 | Shirik | well here's what I have so far, take a look at it |
| 07:38.58 | Shirik | note that this will ONLY be for Win32 systems |
| 07:39.53 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/7764 |
| 07:39.54 | Shirik | is that too much? |
| 07:40.11 | Shirik | ignore the stuff at the end, it's obviously not done :P |
| 07:41.33 | Tierrie | even if its Win32 you can use flags to toggle stuff so you can have like options later on |
| 07:41.56 | Tierrie | in my kernel driver I put some flags that changes how it operates and you can just toggle stuff in the middle of operations |
| 07:41.58 | Tierrie | very nifty |
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| 08:32.09 | Corrodias | one of our guild members was removed today, with no explanation given yet. someone promised that there would be a forum post "later", but there hasn't been one, yet. |
| 08:32.43 | Shirik | dun dun dun |
| 08:33.22 | Corrodias | he's been thinking about leaving, so normally i would expect he just decided to go ahead and move to another guild, but there's no post in the "why are you leaving" board and he was expecting a mechanar run about half an hour afterward |
| 08:33.45 | Corrodias | how mysterious |
| 08:34.18 | Shirik | it's a coverup! |
| 08:35.05 | amro`afk | He was planning to steal the sword of a thousand truths |
| 08:37.11 | Tem|Sleep | It could be the end of the world |
| 08:37.13 | Tem|Sleep | ... |
| 08:37.16 | Tem|Sleep | of warcraft |
| 08:37.21 | Corrodias | the guild is mature enough to keep drama from erupting until someone posts about it |
| 08:37.27 | Corrodias | but i can't promise anything at that point |
| 08:37.32 | Corrodias | should be exciting |
| 08:42.10 | Outlaw| | Why can't MobInfo make life easy for getting health data :/ |
| 08:42.34 | Corrodias | my version of mobhealth is going what i would approximate as "insane" |
| 08:43.33 | Outlaw| | such a stupidly complicated system, blah |
| 08:43.41 | Shirik | what do you mean? |
| 08:44.07 | Shirik | Corrodias: I find it to be quite accurate really |
| 08:44.11 | Shirik | perhaps I just have better luck |
| 08:44.30 | Corrodias | it's hard to describe.. sometimes it will start showing the mob as having far less health than it does (maybe that's when the mob heals itself?) and then can't decide how much it really has |
| 08:44.43 | Corrodias | if a mob changes forms, it will just refuse to show anything |
| 08:45.50 | Shadowed | Just annoying having to do some extra calculations since MobInfo2 uses PPP not just direct values |
| 08:45.54 | Corrodias | i may have an old version |
| 08:45.56 | Shadowed | without a unitid at least |
| 08:46.59 | Shadowed | although I suppose MH3 does the same thing just does the calculations for you |
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| 08:52.13 | Corrodias | maybe it was something totally innocent |
| 08:52.17 | Corrodias | maybe his house blew up or something |
| 08:52.38 | Shirik | my house? |
| 08:52.48 | Corrodias | no, my guildmate's house |
| 08:52.50 | Shirik | oh :P |
| 08:52.58 | Shirik | yeah I missed whatever you said in the last 10 minutes or so |
| 08:52.59 | Shirik | damn brighthouse |
| 08:53.23 | Corrodias | nah, this was from a while back |
| 08:53.41 | Shirik | 03:44:46 ‹Corrodias› if a mob changes forms, it will just refuse to show anything |
| 08:53.41 | Shirik | 03:44:55 ‹Shirik› hm |
| 08:53.41 | Shirik | 03:45:04 ‹Shirik› well considering it can only do guesswork |
| 08:53.41 | Shirik | 03:45:11 ‹Shirik› perhaps if it finds too radical of a change, it gives up? |
| 08:53.42 | Shirik | 03:45:33 [CTCP: ping] SHIRIK |
| 08:53.44 | Shirik | 03:45:46 * Disconnected |
| 08:53.51 | Corrodias | could be |
| 08:53.54 | Shirik | so.. back to mobhealth |
| 08:54.00 | Shirik | that's my guess |
| 08:55.51 | amro | oh the irony, none of my open source media players play .mkv movies right |
| 08:56.41 | SunTiger | hah |
| 08:58.26 | Elkano | none of vlc, mpc, mplayer? |
| 09:00.56 | Shirik | ow... am I still here? |
| 09:01.39 | Elkano | no |
| 09:01.39 | Shirik | oh, wowinterface is down :( |
| 09:01.56 | Shirik | now how am I supposed to test the updater when all it does is put up "Cannot retrieve patcher data" on every line :( |
| 09:02.08 | Shirik | oop it's back |
| 09:02.09 | Shirik | yey |
| 09:02.32 | Elkano | well, you at least know that that feature is working ;) |
| 09:02.45 | Shirik | heh, yes |
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| 09:46.12 | Nom- | blah |
| 09:46.17 | Nom- | 2.0.10 tonight? |
| 09:46.22 | Shirik | who knows |
| 09:46.38 | Shirik | Nom-, want to have some fun? |
| 09:47.35 | Shirik | :( guess not |
| 09:49.13 | Nom- | ? |
| 09:49.38 | Shirik | want to test my installer? ^^ |
| 09:50.07 | Nom- | heh |
| 09:50.11 | Nom- | server goes down in an hour |
| 09:50.15 | Nom- | I'll see after that |
| 09:50.17 | Shirik | ok |
| 09:50.18 | Corrodias | i want to reboot because WoW's effects are starting to stick again (it's been over 25 days since my last reboot) |
| 09:50.20 | Nom- | We're going to try and get a run in |
| 09:50.27 | Shirik | dear god Corrodias |
| 09:50.28 | Corrodias | but firefox has like 30 open tabs and i don't want to reload them |
| 09:50.40 | Shirik | strange thing is |
| 09:50.48 | Shirik | whether I close firefox or not, it always says next time I start it up |
| 09:50.52 | Nom- | Corrodias: Firefox 2 ? |
| 09:50.55 | Corrodias | yeah |
| 09:50.57 | Shirik | "Firefox closed unexpectedly last time, do you want to open your tabs?" |
| 09:51.06 | Nom- | Firefox 2 has a session save |
| 09:51.36 | Shirik | now if only I did something like KDE |
| 09:51.42 | Shirik | where it pulls up all the applications you had open to their state |
| 09:51.46 | Shirik | and everything |
| 09:52.01 | Corrodias | i'm aware firefox 2 can save sessions natively |
| 09:52.09 | Corrodias | even before version 2, i had an extension to do that |
| 09:52.22 | Corrodias | but what i don't like is having it redownload the entire contents of 30 web pages at once |
| 09:54.46 | wereHamster | is there a good keybinding addon? one that wouldn't try to save the keybindings in bindings-cache.txt but rather in SV? |
| 09:54.46 | Corrodias | i've never even considered such a thing. :o |
| 09:55.33 | Corrodias | why do such a thing? |
| 09:55.44 | Corrodias | such! thing! |
| 10:01.34 | subbot | All I know is Bindpad is my favorite mod of the moment, I have no idea how it does what it does, but I love it. |
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| 10:03.34 | Corrodias | what does it do? |
| 10:04.03 | subbot | you can bind spells/macros/abilities directly to keys, rather than putting one of those things on an action bar and binding that action bar button to a key |
| 10:04.05 | ZealotOnAStick | I prefer Spellbinder myself, but same purpose. |
| 10:04.28 | subbot | I don't even use a bar mod |
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| 10:05.14 | Kaso | Is it just me or has the EU wow forums been having mantainace for like 3 days now |
| 10:05.17 | subbot | the only thing i miss about using a bar mod is my petbar is all ugly and defaultish :( |
| 10:05.43 | Kaso | im in the title! |
| 10:05.48 | Kaso | topic |
| 10:05.56 | Corrodias | the hunter class is, i think, too difficult for me |
| 10:06.23 | subbot | im not a hunter |
| 10:06.36 | subbot | im a priest, and i mind control a fair amount |
| 10:06.38 | Corrodias | having to manage a pet's abilities to maintain focus for growl (something that there used to be addons available to do) is just one thing too many for me to concentrate on during battle |
| 10:07.54 | Corrodias | but the pet system has a number of other problems, too |
| 10:09.47 | subbot | i used to have a macro that would clear all action ids, i can't find it though :( |
| 10:11.23 | Kaso | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:11.24 | Kaso | that? |
| 10:12.17 | Shirik | oooh new version of sct yey |
| 10:12.26 | Shirik | well for me; I was probably behind the times :P |
| 10:12.49 | subbot | ty Kaso |
| 10:13.11 | Corrodias | we can't toggle pet action autocasting without hardware events, since several patches ago |
| 10:13.36 | Kaso | VIP SmartPet :( |
| 10:13.40 | Kaso | RIP i mean :> |
| 10:13.59 | Corrodias | the solution given by petextend was to have the player press a key every time he wanted the addon to update the autocast statuses, but even that was getting pretty cumbersome |
| 10:14.08 | Corrodias | a key -> a certain keybind |
| 10:14.56 | Corrodias | but even petextend was a casualty of 2.0 and hasn't been updated yet, although apparently a month ago the author said he was working on it |
| 10:17.10 | Corrodias | well, i need to go to bed. 'ni |
| 10:19.43 | wereHamster | subbot, thanks, BindPad looks nice |
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| 10:27.25 | Shirik | are servers down? |
| 10:27.28 | Shirik | forgot when they go down |
| 10:28.05 | amro | worldofwarcraft.com/realmstatus |
| 10:28.15 | Shirik | =( |
| 10:28.24 | Shirik | www.worldofwarcraft.com/realmstatus |
| 10:28.26 | Shirik | there now I can click it ^^ |
| 10:28.32 | subbot | what happened to that whole "live maintenance" thing? |
| 10:28.41 | Shirik | it died |
| 10:28.47 | subbot | :( |
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| 10:29.05 | Shirik | I'll be honest; I would really be suprised if they could pull it off |
| 10:29.23 | nevcairiel | they are patching this week, guess that wont work "live" |
| 10:29.42 | Shirik | well I'm sure they want to defragment their database servers too, and that won't work very well live |
| 10:29.49 | Shirik | and .. well... their database servers have got to be huge |
| 10:30.03 | Shirik | that's the sole reason I never thought a live maintenance would work |
| 10:30.37 | nevcairiel | true |
| 10:31.15 | Shirik | oops... |
| 10:31.23 | Shirik | finally found out why the updater was taking up 100% cpu all the time >.> |
| 10:31.38 | Shirik | hidden infinite loops ftw |
| 10:37.15 | amro | Shirik: what are you using to make it? |
| 10:37.24 | Shirik | a combination of java and c |
| 10:37.51 | Shirik | problem was... I'm not too familiar with the way multithreading works in java |
| 10:38.04 | Shirik | I didn't realize this "synchronize" keyword was required when you try to suspend a thread |
| 10:38.23 | Shirik | so... while it was effectively suspending my thread, it was suspending it by doing something equilvalent to while(true) {} |
| 10:38.42 | Shirik | instead of the appropriate way, which is by doing this.wait() |
| 10:58.13 | subbot | how come i can get my combat log frame so much smaller than my general frame :( |
| 10:58.35 | Shirik | the almighty blizzard hath declare it so! |
| 10:59.53 | subbot | i can't seem to get any other frame as small as my combat log |
| 10:59.56 | subbot | i can't figure it out |
| 11:01.02 | amro | The general frame is special. If you want, create another chatframe and resize that one |
| 11:06.29 | Kaso | The general frame has a fixed minimum size because it has the EditBox along the bottom i believe |
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| 11:23.30 | Nom- | Ok, back :) |
| 11:23.45 | Nom- | Well, this is extended downtime, meaning it's patch day |
| 11:23.48 | Shirik | you were the one complaining about how it was running slow, right? |
| 11:24.16 | Shirik | cause I think I just fixed that ^^ a little oversight |
| 11:24.30 | Nom- | lols |
| 11:24.34 | wereHamster | what could be the reason that I can't bind anything to Q and E? |
| 11:24.53 | wereHamster | .. I can bind things to the keys, but when I press them nothing happens |
| 11:25.05 | Shirik | no se |
| 11:25.10 | Thrae | wereHamster: Those are movement k eys |
| 11:25.18 | Shirik | Yeah but can't you rebind them? |
| 11:25.37 | Thrae | Sounds like they aren't properly unbound, check your bindings-cache |
| 11:26.03 | Thrae | Sheesh, I'm still an operator |
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| 11:26.20 | Shirik | I would have done something like |
| 11:26.30 | Shirik | before I -o |
| 11:26.47 | Thrae | Cute. |
| 11:26.55 | Shirik | I find pleasure in the simple things. |
| 11:28.52 | wereHamster | found it.. :SetAttribute("bindings-S0", "Q") |
| 11:29.02 | wereHamster | .. and those can't be unbound :-/ |
| 11:57.43 | Nom- | hmm works fine for me |
| 11:58.03 | Nom- | I've got Q bound to Judgement and E bound to Hammer of Justice |
| 11:59.05 | Nom- | Oh well, thanks for downtime, it's time to continue on my signature generator thingy |
| 12:00.27 | Shirik | what's that function that gets a random argument and returns it? Wasn't it GetRandomArgument() ? |
| 12:01.05 | Kaso | a random argument? you mean select one of a given set of argumetns randomly? |
| 12:01.11 | Shirik | yes |
| 12:01.23 | Shirik | like GetRandomArgument({1, 2, 3}) will randomly return either 1, 2, or 3 |
| 12:01.35 | Shirik | er, maybe it's GetRandomArgument(1,2,3) |
| 12:01.54 | Shirik | I think it's the latter |
| 12:01.55 | Kaso | none of those are lua or wow functions |
| 12:02.06 | Shirik | I know it's in WoW, but I'm pretty sure it's not Lua |
| 12:02.21 | Shirik | it's also not on wowwiki as I've found out |
| 12:02.23 | Kaso | perhaps some lib adds it, ace or soemthing but its quite easy to simiulate with select and math.random |
| 12:02.31 | Shirik | Kaso, I said the exact same thing as you about a week ago |
| 12:02.39 | Shirik | after a long discussion on the forums I was proven wrong >.> |
| 12:03.52 | Kaso | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:04.02 | Kaso | that will print out a list of functions with random in thier name |
| 12:04.04 | Shirik | yeah yeah I know how to do it |
| 12:04.10 | Kaso | but i am 99% sure there is no wow function like that |
| 12:05.14 | Shirik | I'll find it, I know it exists >.> |
| 12:05.18 | Shirik | unless I dreamed this whole conversation |
| 12:05.37 | Shirik | someone references it at the bottom of this thread: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=60766759&postId=606418888&sid=1#0 |
| 12:06.11 | Kaso | Im sure its is proberly a ace function |
| 12:06.21 | Kaso | function randomargument(...) return select( math.random( 1, select( "#", ... ) ), ... ) end |
| 12:06.25 | Kaso | that should replicate it though |
| 12:06.27 | Shirik | I'll find where it exists :/ |
| 12:06.28 | Kaso | i think |
| 12:09.54 | Shirik | it doesn't exist anywhere in FrameXML :/ |
| 12:10.05 | krka | wtf... that's a weird function |
| 12:10.08 | krka | what is it used for? |
| 12:10.13 | Kaso | I assure you its not a blizzard function :> |
| 12:10.22 | Shirik | here! |
| 12:10.23 | Shirik | http://www.wowwiki.com/Global_Function_List |
| 12:10.34 | Shirik | it's in there |
| 12:12.11 | Kaso | hu |
| 12:12.13 | Kaso | you are right |
| 12:12.20 | Kaso | its used twice in ChatFrame.lua |
| 12:12.25 | Kaso | and defined in that same file |
| 12:12.55 | Shirik | wtf |
| 12:13.01 | Shirik | scite didn't pick it up in ChatFrame.lua ... |
| 12:13.20 | Kaso | ChatFrame.lua:function GetRandomArgument(...) |
| 12:13.20 | Kaso | ChatFrame.lua: local action = strtrim(GetRandomArgument(strsplit(",", actions))); |
| 12:13.20 | Kaso | ChatFrame.lua: local item = strtrim(GetRandomArgument(strsplit(",", items))); |
| 12:13.28 | Kaso | grep is an awesome tool :> |
| 12:13.46 | Shirik | I just used scite's "find in files" tool .... last time I use that >.> |
| 12:14.22 | Shirik | er..... |
| 12:14.23 | krka | WTF |
| 12:14.27 | Shirik | it's not in my ChatFrame.lua ... |
| 12:14.28 | krka | that's just wrong |
| 12:14.44 | Kaso | have you recently extracted your framexml? |
| 12:14.58 | krka | can someone dump the usage of the funtion on a pastey? |
| 12:15.02 | Shirik | this is fresh, I don't extract I read straight from the mpq |
| 12:15.18 | Shirik | locale-enUS.mpq ? |
| 12:15.40 | Kaso | krka, function GetRandomArgument(...) |
| 12:15.40 | Kaso | return (select(random(select("#", ...)), ...)); |
| 12:15.40 | Kaso | end |
| 12:15.42 | Shirik | oop I found it |
| 12:15.51 | Shirik | it's in patch-enUS.mpq |
| 12:16.07 | Shirik | btw well done kaso you guessed almost exactly how it was implemented :) |
| 12:16.09 | krka | i want the usage, not the definition |
| 12:16.14 | Shirik | like |
| 12:16.27 | Shirik | SendChatMessage(GetRandomArgument("Message 1", "Message 2", "Message 3"), "SAY"); |
| 12:17.19 | Shirik | actually |
| 12:17.26 | Shirik | the handler for /castrandom uses it too |
| 12:17.36 | Shirik | local action = strtrim(GetRandomArgument(strsplit(",", actions))); |
| 12:17.37 | krka | there's a castrandom? |
| 12:17.37 | Kaso | http://www.pastey.net/7773 |
| 12:17.47 | Shirik | ha, yes there is a /castrandom |
| 12:17.59 | Shirik | which is what Kaso just posted ^^ |
| 12:22.16 | Shirik | Reading this post in the "technical supports" forum about some guy saying he's getting constantly DCed |
| 12:22.24 | Shirik | I read the first sentence up to " So im running a wireless network at home" |
| 12:22.29 | Shirik | closed the window |
| 12:24.44 | krka | obviously blizzards fault |
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| 13:03.40 | JoshBorke | purl, hug Cairenn|afk |
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| 13:10.10 | leethal | woot, my addon has been downloaded 19 times and "favorited" one, and I haven't even announced it. cute =D |
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| 13:14.54 | JoshBorke | :-) |
| 13:14.54 | JoshBorke | grats |
| 13:16.56 | Silviu- | leethal looks nice :) |
| 13:17.16 | leethal | *cheer* |
| 13:17.31 | Silviu- | Did rate it :) |
| 13:17.44 | leethal | I realized this looked a bit weird. I was on here all yesterday, and just rejoined the room after a slumber. So I didn't just join this room for the first time to brag. So.. =P |
| 13:18.54 | leethal | and thanks |
| 13:21.27 | HolySheepy | hrm is there any good tutorial about making addons with wow 2.0? |
| 13:21.42 | leethal | not really, I've struggled to find one |
| 13:21.58 | leethal | the way I learned it was by looking at other simple addons |
| 13:22.18 | HolySheepy | i cant find any other _simple_ addons XD |
| 13:22.20 | leethal | you could look at the http://wowinterface.com/downloads/info6962-AFKTell.html addon of mine, it's rather simple |
| 13:22.27 | leethal | 50 lines tops |
| 13:22.46 | JoshBorke | HolySheepy: it depends on what you want to do |
| 13:23.01 | JoshBorke | HolySheepy: there aren't a lot of tutorials on the new secure addon code, but a lot of the older information is still valid |
| 13:23.29 | HolySheepy | i dont even know what secure addon code is <.< |
| 13:23.55 | leethal | me neither. I still made an addon, though |
| 13:23.56 | amro | HolySheepy: then you probably shouldn't worry about it yet |
| 13:24.00 | nymbia | you don't need to worry about it unless you're doing actionbar or unitframe -style stuff |
| 13:24.07 | HolySheepy | leethal: it's using a library |
| 13:24.11 | leethal | a simple one |
| 13:24.13 | leethal | dongle |
| 13:24.22 | leethal | all it does is event handling and slash command stuff |
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| 13:24.39 | HolySheepy | yeah but i have to learn even handling and slash command stuff :P |
| 13:24.48 | JoshBorke | HolySheepy: Dongle makes it pretty easy |
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| 13:24.56 | leethal | erm, ya |
| 13:25.05 | leethal | without dongle it'd probably be just 10 more lines of code |
| 13:25.32 | leethal | it's not really a framework, it's a set of functions. |
| 13:25.58 | JoshBorke | http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Create_a_Slash_Command |
| 13:26.20 | leethal | and tbh, why not use dongle. No need to do the hard work when dongle can do it for you |
| 13:26.39 | HolySheepy | JoshBorke: first i need a working addon, but looking at other addons doesnt really, help, addon a) doesnt use any xml adodn b) uses a xml but no onEvent inside it addon c uses xml with onEvent :/ |
| 13:26.55 | leethal | why would you want to use xml? |
| 13:27.02 | leethal | use dongle and get rid of that ugly xml =P |
| 13:27.36 | JoshBorke | HolySheepy: the XML is just one way to define what happens. perhaps addon b) doesn't register for any events and therefore doesn't need onEvent |
| 13:27.55 | leethal | look at how http://wowinterface.com/downloads/info6962-AFKTell.html does it |
| 13:28.01 | JoshBorke | HolySheepy: addon C does it the originally prescribed way while addon a does it a new way by having all the frames created in lua |
| 13:28.29 | nymbia | not much reason to use xml anyway, unless you're more comfortable with it.. and only then, only if your frames need to be around all the time |
| 13:28.31 | leethal | xml isn't a requirement to handle events, you can do it with lua |
| 13:28.46 | JoshBorke | HolySheepy: the difference between addon a and addon c is: inside a thre is something like: frame = CreateFrame('Frame','MyAddonFrame') frame:SetScript('OnEvent',<myOnEventFunction>) |
| 13:28.54 | nymbia | s/only/even/ |
| 13:29.16 | JoshBorke | good for defining templates :-D but that's more advanced |
| 13:29.30 | nymbia | yeah |
| 13:29.32 | HolySheepy | hrm so what function is called then o.o |
| 13:29.40 | nymbia | virtual frames.. |
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| 13:29.57 | leethal | HolySheepy: look at http://wowinterface.com/downloads/info6962-AFKTell.html =P |
| 13:30.14 | leethal | heh I'll stop the spam |
| 13:30.44 | HolySheepy | functio aktell:Enable()? Oo |
| 13:30.48 | HolySheepy | *afktell |
| 13:30.58 | leethal | ya |
| 13:31.10 | leethal | that's the same as going onEnable some function bla bla in xml |
| 13:31.15 | leethal | dongle does that stuff for ya |
| 13:31.32 | HolySheepy | im not going to use dongle now XD |
| 13:31.35 | leethal | why not? |
| 13:32.19 | HolySheepy | i just don't like a lib doing something for me that i couldn't do on my own |
| 13:32.30 | leethal | wrong attitude =P |
| 13:32.39 | leethal | code in assembly, lua does sooooo much stuff for you |
| 13:32.52 | HolySheepy | ... |
| 13:33.05 | HolySheepy | thats something else |
| 13:34.10 | SunTiger | code in machine code, assembly takes care of so much! |
| 13:34.23 | HolySheepy | ¬_¬ |
| 13:34.38 | JoshBorke | HolySheepy: http://svn.joshborke.is-a-geek.com/trunk/MySetup/ that's a 'simple' mod that doesn't use a library |
| 13:35.03 | leethal | ya, look at that, see how the xml stuff works, and use dongle *kek* |
| 13:35.18 | leethal | JoshBorke: nice example =D |
| 13:35.39 | HolySheepy | is there still a ADDON_LOADED? |
| 13:36.07 | JoshBorke | hrm, i don't even need the XML file anymore... |
| 13:36.53 | JoshBorke | HolySheepy: yes |
| 13:37.16 | JoshBorke | all that addon does is some frame fading/flashing for me |
| 13:37.22 | HolySheepy | how is f linked to MySetup? |
| 13:37.39 | JoshBorke | look at the bottom |
| 13:37.47 | leethal | shouldn't the toc file have the xml in it too? |
| 13:37.57 | JoshBorke | f:SetScript links it to MySetup |
| 13:38.03 | leethal | or, just the xml. The toc has the lua file in it only |
| 13:38.03 | JoshBorke | leethal: does it not? lol |
| 13:38.14 | leethal | and it's the xml that requires the lua |
| 13:38.24 | leethal | so I guess it's supposed to be MySetup.xml in the toc =P |
| 13:38.31 | JoshBorke | it works as is :-D |
| 13:38.43 | leethal | oh cool |
| 13:38.56 | HolySheepy | uhm |
| 13:39.08 | HolySheepy | why does it link it to MySetup? |
| 13:39.55 | JoshBorke | MySetup needs a frame to register for events. i use the frame f that i created at the top to register for those events |
| 13:40.20 | HolySheepy | yeah but doesnt it register the events to the frame(f) instead to the MySetup stuff? |
| 13:40.40 | JoshBorke | HolySheepy: yes. but i set a function to be called when an event is triggered, what is that function called? |
| 13:41.34 | HolySheepy | _onEvent :/ i dont really understand that function xD whats teh ... for? like a unlimited list of parameters? and why MySetup[even] |
| 13:41.35 | HolySheepy | *event |
| 13:43.01 | JoshBorke | so in _onEvent i check to see if i have a function defined that has the format of MySetup[<event>] which is a table call to MySetup |
| 13:43.08 | JoshBorke | this way I don't have to have a lot of if then elseif statements |
| 13:43.54 | JoshBorke | HolySheepy: taken from here: http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Do_Tricks_Without_Lua_Method_Notation |
| 13:44.10 | wereHamster | seems like HolySheepy needs an even simpler addon to start with.. sin't there any? there has to be a simple 20-lines addon that does someting useful.. |
| 13:45.19 | leethal | let's make one |
| 13:45.24 | leethal | and put it on the wiki |
| 13:45.25 | HolySheepy | i didnt do anythign in lua before xD |
| 13:45.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | hey the druid nerf patch is releasing today hooray |
| 13:46.07 | leethal | and warrior buff <3 |
| 13:46.09 | HolySheepy | and lua is kinda strange for me :P i'm more used to c syntax |
| 13:46.11 | leethal | thunder clap in def stance here I come |
| 13:46.44 | wereHamster | leethal, where can I read more about the warrior changes? |
| 13:47.27 | leethal | on wow-europe.com |
| 13:47.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | account canceled :D |
| 13:47.33 | leethal | or worldorwarcraft.com or whereever |
| 13:47.48 | leethal | Mr_Rabies2: druids were overpowered anyways |
| 13:47.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm not going into that arguement |
| 13:48.07 | leethal | oh? |
| 13:48.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | but no. no they weren't |
| 13:48.18 | JoshBorke | i think the armor + health changes balance out |
| 13:48.22 | leethal | druids are hybrids. They aren't supposed to be best an anything else than being able to do everything |
| 13:48.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | roll one get it to 70 then get back to me |
| 13:48.42 | JoshBorke | but their bear damage output got nerfed |
| 13:48.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | and our threat got nerfed before that, josh |
| 13:49.04 | leethal | lol at some people... they seem to think that blizzard is noobs that doesn't know how to balance a game |
| 13:49.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | and our hp and armor just got nerfed |
| 13:49.16 | zenzelezz | Mr_Rabies2: threat got nerfed when? |
| 13:49.19 | nevcairiel | hp and armor are really not that big nerf |
| 13:49.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | 2.0 |
| 13:49.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | i lost 1200 hp and armor and i |
| 13:49.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | 'm not even in the greatest gear |
| 13:49.32 | zenzelezz | that's odd, our druid tank does fine in Kharazan |
| 13:49.40 | leethal | yep, same here |
| 13:49.40 | JoshBorke | wow, that's a lot of hp to lose |
| 13:49.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | because we could do damage zenz |
| 13:49.43 | leethal | druids do very fine |
| 13:49.55 | zenzelezz | Mr_Rabies2: that's not what he told me |
| 13:49.56 | JoshBorke | i thought the stam change would increase life, since 1 stam is 10 health |
| 13:50.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | now we lost 40-50% of our dps in bear |
| 13:50.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | nope josh |
| 13:50.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's a straight up nerf to bears |
| 13:50.18 | nevcairiel | it was 25% of health before, now its 25% of sta |
| 13:50.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | fury warriors are better tanks now |
| 13:50.21 | leethal | Mr_Rabies2: the druid tank in my guild says the upcoming patch won't be a big problem really |
| 13:50.24 | nevcairiel | you loose a bit. |
| 13:50.24 | wereHamster | yeah.. more rage.. :) |
| 13:50.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | the druid tank in your guild has tested these changes? |
| 13:50.46 | leethal | Mr_Rabies2: stop whining ffs |
| 13:50.49 | leethal | Mr_Rabies2: yes, he has |
| 13:50.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | because i have and a fury warrior's a better choice |
| 13:50.58 | nymbia | my drood tanks are just fine with it. |
| 13:51.00 | leethal | l2tank then |
| 13:51.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | goddamnit, i hate people like you |
| 13:51.33 | leethal | not my problem |
| 13:51.40 | nevcairiel | i am a happy resto druid, and i dont care! :) |
| 13:52.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | if people like you had your way we'd all be back to healbotting 24/7 |
| 13:52.08 | leethal | people like me lol |
| 13:52.17 | nymbia | nevcairiel: ssh, you're supposed to be disgruntled! |
| 13:52.20 | nevcairiel | ive always been happy with healing |
| 13:52.22 | leethal | Mr_Rabies2: if people like YOU had it your way, druids would've been overpowered |
| 13:52.24 | leethal | so sht! |
| 13:52.27 | nevcairiel | and prolly always will be |
| 13:52.30 | zenzelezz | Mr_Rabies2: considering we've all been talking about druids tanking, I have no clue why you say we want you to healbot |
| 13:52.32 | leethal | we're both wrong, and we're both right, let's not whine ya? |
| 13:53.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'd have been a better tank with the old bear formulas at 70 than i am now, the pre 2.0 ones |
| 13:53.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | without mangle too |
| 13:53.55 | leethal | Mr_Rabies2: you whine, other druids say it's ok. Am I the only one that see a conflict here? |
| 13:54.16 | leethal | and don't tell me that druid is a noob, cause he aint |
| 13:54.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | other druids haven't tested it or are blind |
| 13:54.23 | leethal | oh blargh |
| 13:54.28 | leethal | or you're blind |
| 13:54.32 | zenzelezz | I see, every other druid is wrong? |
| 13:54.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | no, not every other druid |
| 13:54.44 | nevcairiel | i dont think anyone can really compare, unless they actually got enough people to do karazhan on PTR :p |
| 13:54.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | i know plenty of druids canceling over this bs |
| 13:54.58 | zenzelezz | good riddance |
| 13:55.06 | leethal | shut it will ya |
| 13:55.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | have fun looking for a tank for 5 hours :D |
| 13:55.13 | leethal | we don't want to hear your whines |
| 13:55.20 | zenzelezz | we have warriors |
| 13:55.22 | JoshBorke | let's try to keep this civil ;-) |
| 13:55.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | apparently you do, leethal |
| 13:55.32 | nymbia | (aside) is it just me or did a ton of people roll druids just for the expansion? |
| 13:55.33 | nevcairiel | canceling eh? people who do that because of a patch arent worth it anyway. |
| 13:55.34 | JoshBorke | so nev, what do you usually run 5-mans with? since you're a resto druid |
| 13:55.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | <leethal> Mr_Rabies2: druids were overpowered anyways |
| 13:55.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | <Mr_Rabies2> i'm not going into that arguement |
| 13:55.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | <leethal> oh? |
| 13:56.46 | leethal | Mr_Rabies2: stop, will you |
| 13:56.46 | nevcairiel | JoshBorke: what we can get, we take! |
| 13:56.46 | leethal | Mr_Rabies2: stop being a fundamentalist, you can't analyze me |
| 13:56.47 | nevcairiel | its 5mans ffs :p |
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| 13:56.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | what |
| 13:56.47 | JoshBorke | lol. i haven't pugged in quite a while |
| 13:56.52 | nevcairiel | i dont generally pug |
| 13:56.56 | nevcairiel | only people i know or from my guild |
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| 13:57.13 | dieck | pugging provokes puking :) |
| 13:57.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | nev, canceling is infinitely more likely to get things done than simply whining on the forums |
| 13:57.28 | nevcairiel | i still think its silly |
| 13:57.43 | zenzelezz | why is that Rabies? There'll still be far more active than inactive druids |
| 13:58.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | because they actually read the cancelation messages |
| 13:58.25 | zenzelezz | reading them doesn't mean they'll bother changing it |
| 13:58.36 | nevcairiel | bears are too powerful in pvp, thats just it |
| 13:58.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | no, but it's more likely than just whining on the forums |
| 13:58.47 | nevcairiel | a ton of hp and armor, and doing tooo much dmg |
| 13:58.49 | leethal | Mr_Rabies2: do you honestly think blizzard did the change to render the druid class unusable as tanks? |
| 13:59.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | no, not intentionally, probably |
| 13:59.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | but numbers != reality |
| 13:59.06 | dieck | has anyone popcorn left? |
| 13:59.15 | leethal | dieck: here *hands over* |
| 13:59.22 | dieck | thx |
| 13:59.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm also not in the belief they're master balancers |
| 13:59.34 | JoshBorke | participants can't hand out popcorn :-P |
| 13:59.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | the necromancer class was utterly broken in diablo 2 for over a year, druids were utterly broken for a similar amount of time |
| 13:59.48 | leethal | aw |
| 14:00.00 | dieck | ah, now we're back to d2? |
| 14:00.03 | dieck | wow :) |
| 14:00.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | that was a response to this |
| 14:00.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | <leethal> lol at some people... they seem to think that blizzard is noobs that doesn't know how to balance a game |
| 14:00.48 | JoshBorke | he's providing support for his argument that blizzard isn't perfect at balancing |
| 14:00.56 | nevcairiel | that reminds me, d2 crashes on my WinXP, anyone any idea ? :P |
| 14:01.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | they're not, they make mistakes, and this is one of them |
| 14:01.12 | leethal | Mr_Rabies2: you are not amusing |
| 14:01.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | a big enough mistake for the game not to be enjoyable anymore |
| 14:01.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | i can be amusing when people aren't assholes to me :] |
| 14:01.40 | leethal | you deserve it |
| 14:01.46 | leethal | MORE BLOOD |
| 14:01.55 | dieck | we all know that -- but I don't care. I can't change anything, so I'll do my best in working it out. A skilled player can get through every nerv, only noobs think things will get broken beyond repair |
| 14:02.07 | leethal | dieck: 10/10 |
| 14:02.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | druids were broken for an incredibly long time, and i don't want it to happen again |
| 14:03.00 | nevcairiel | that nerf is not going to break anyone |
| 14:03.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | things are leaning that way again and i'm not happy with it, so i did the civil thing and simply canceled |
| 14:03.19 | leethal | cool, one less whiner |
| 14:03.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | people are going to have to either not take druids or watch their dps more now |
| 14:03.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | because we're generating less than half the aggro we were before |
| 14:03.52 | nymbia | er.. why? |
| 14:03.57 | nymbia | pftr |
| 14:04.00 | leethal | druids. are. not. supposed. to. be. as. good. as. warriors. to. tank. |
| 14:04.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | no. but. we're. supposed. to. be. useful. at it. |
| 14:04.27 | nevcairiel | we still are. |
| 14:04.27 | leethal | nice pwnage attempt |
| 14:04.32 | nymbia | you can still generate just fine. you even got more rage. |
| 14:04.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | nymb |
| 14:04.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | that doesn't matter, now we have to maul more to hold aggro |
| 14:04.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | and if we're mauling |
| 14:05.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | we're generating no rage |
| 14:05.12 | nevcairiel | get hit more :P |
| 14:05.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's a vicious cycle |
| 14:05.36 | nymbia | yes, i'm aware that everyone and their mother is immune to bleed. but it's still plenty doable ;) |
| 14:05.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | we have to get hit to get rage to hold aggro to get hit to get rage to hold aggro |
| 14:05.57 | zenzelezz | more rage is part of the patch |
| 14:06.03 | nevcairiel | so if you have aggro, you get rage, and you hold aggro |
| 14:06.05 | nevcairiel | sounds good. |
| 14:06.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | you'll see |
| 14:06.33 | leethal | 15 in fishing yay |
| 14:06.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | in a month, no one will ever be using druids to tank, and all the warriors will be whining about having to be prot |
| 14:06.43 | dieck | and if you don't get hit, you can generate rage to get aggro to generate rage |
| 14:07.19 | nevcairiel | in 5 mans or even 5man heroics, there generally is no place for fury or arms warriors anway |
| 14:07.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | now there is, they're better tanks than druids :/ |
| 14:07.47 | nevcairiel | you need one real tank |
| 14:07.47 | nevcairiel | and two CC's |
| 14:08.07 | leethal | heroics rocks so damn much |
| 14:08.16 | nevcairiel | and in most of the harder heroics two healers |
| 14:08.28 | leethal | not just the heroic itself, but the fact that 5 people can get super imba loot |
| 14:08.33 | nymbia | we did pretty good in heroic slave pens today with a fury war |
| 14:08.53 | nevcairiel | slave pens is one of the easier ones .. sure :) |
| 14:09.03 | nevcairiel | but try shattered halls, or arcatraz |
| 14:09.25 | leethal | need some epix for that heh |
| 14:09.33 | nymbia | shattered halls is fun :) |
| 14:09.40 | nymbia | we did it a couple weeks ago |
| 14:09.50 | nevcairiel | we still didnt manage shattered halls heroic in the 55min timer :P |
| 14:09.55 | dieck | heroic? a couple of weeks ago? |
| 14:09.58 | nevcairiel | altho didnt try for 2 weeks or so |
| 14:10.02 | nymbia | woulda had the 55 min if we knew that the added boss feared |
| 14:10.03 | leethal | what's the thing with 55 min timer? |
| 14:10.20 | nevcairiel | oh, once you start the even after the first boss |
| 14:10.23 | nevcairiel | you get a 55min timer |
| 14:10.30 | nevcairiel | for the tempest keep quest |
| 14:10.36 | leethal | ah |
| 14:10.37 | zenzelezz | part of attunement for a raid instance |
| 14:10.39 | nevcairiel | you need to kill the last boss in the 55min |
| 14:10.49 | zenzelezz | four heroic quests |
| 14:11.01 | nevcairiel | three heroic actually, and magtheridon. |
| 14:11.11 | zenzelezz | nevcairiel: three quests, but one of them requires two instances |
| 14:11.16 | nevcairiel | true |
| 14:11.23 | nevcairiel | but thats the easiest quest |
| 14:11.25 | zenzelezz | nevcairiel: from what I heard the thing drops from a Shattered Hand Executioner, not Bladefist... don't know if that's true |
| 14:11.30 | leethal | zomfg tbh |
| 14:11.34 | nymbia | the only thing that's crucial for that place imo is a hunter for frost trap |
| 14:11.41 | nevcairiel | zenzelezz: thats true, but that guy stands behind bladefist. |
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| 14:12.00 | zenzelezz | nevcairiel: he does? Didn't know that =) |
| 14:12.12 | nevcairiel | we got to him once he killed the first of three prisoners |
| 14:12.19 | nevcairiel | too late for the tempest keep quest :( |
| 14:12.34 | zenzelezz | nymbia: the slowing trap or the encase-in-ice? I always confuse them |
| 14:12.45 | nymbia | zenzelezz: slowing |
| 14:12.48 | JoshBorke | man, shattered halls was hard enough on normal =/ |
| 14:12.55 | [Ammo] | shattered halls is cool |
| 14:13.01 | nevcairiel | its a real bitch on heroic |
| 14:13.05 | [Ammo] | but in heroic it's tough as nails |
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| 14:13.11 | nymbia | zenzelezz: those 7-pulls are pretty harsh |
| 14:13.27 | nevcairiel | plus the oger boss is stupid on heroic |
| 14:13.30 | nevcairiel | *ogre |
| 14:13.42 | nymbia | yeah |
| 14:13.46 | dieck | ogres are stupid by design :) |
| 14:13.51 | zenzelezz | nymbia: I can imagine, it's hard enough on normal if people aren't listening |
| 14:14.11 | nevcairiel | you dont pug heroics |
| 14:14.14 | Garoun | my 2 cents on the change,yay for no high threat instant attack in bear form :( |
| 14:14.27 | JoshBorke | is it possible to MC the Legionnaires? |
| 14:14.32 | nevcairiel | no |
| 14:14.43 | nevcairiel | legionnaires are not CC'able in any way |
| 14:14.45 | zenzelezz | I wouldn't want to MC him anyway... I prefer getting healed |
| 14:14.46 | nevcairiel | just focus them first |
| 14:14.56 | JoshBorke | zenzelezz: i run with a resto druid |
| 14:15.03 | zenzelezz | fair enough |
| 14:15.29 | JoshBorke | we got it working where i would MC the acolyte and just chain cast PoH |
| 14:15.32 | leethal | maiden of virtue is also a bitch |
| 14:15.35 | nevcairiel | until 2.0.10 we used Prayer of Mending alot, for getting aggro on the tank. |
| 14:15.44 | JoshBorke | yea, that's what i've started doing too |
| 14:15.56 | nevcairiel | but that stops tomorrow for EU |
| 14:15.59 | nevcairiel | and today for US :p |
| 14:16.03 | zenzelezz | I'm glad Maiden is being nerfed |
| 14:16.08 | zenzelezz | tired of hearing the rogues cry |
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| 14:16.18 | nevcairiel | rogues even are important on nightbane now |
| 14:17.50 | leethal | I hate rightclicking in the water when I'm fishing |
| 14:18.02 | KaoS` | does 2.0.10 come out today? |
| 14:18.04 | Garoun | hell, now they almost made it so you'd take the 5 in Imp MoTW to recover some dp, hp, and armor :P |
| 14:18.14 | dieck | leethal: I'm sure you can set if to left-clicking, or middle |
| 14:18.31 | leethal | mm, or disable click-to-move |
| 14:18.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | yes kaos |
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| 14:20.22 | KaoS` | hmmmm |
| 14:20.29 | KaoS` | buff to shammys :P |
| 14:21.00 | Garoun | what do you think rabies |
| 14:21.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | about |
| 14:21.16 | Garoun | ImpMOTW now worth it to a tank druid torecover some old stats |
| 14:21.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | ughhh no |
| 14:21.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's a damn terrible talent |
| 14:21.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | especially for 5 points |
| 14:21.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | if it was 1 point maybe |
| 14:21.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | but 5, no way |
| 14:21.46 | Garoun | yeah, but 37% back on all stats |
| 14:22.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | of the talent, which ends up being like <5 to everything and 100 armor |
| 14:22.11 | Garoun | at this point I'm just reviewing talents to see the best way to tank post nerf |
| 14:22.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | roll a warrior :X |
| 14:22.26 | Garoun | not starting over :P |
| 14:22.39 | Garoun | and my guild has no 70 warrior yet :( I WAS the main tank |
| 14:22.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | not tanking or rolling a warrior are your only 2 options now :x |
| 14:22.57 | leethal | Garoun: pppsst, don't listen to him |
| 14:22.58 | Garoun | tanked every instance pre-heroic/raid:( |
| 14:23.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | if you can make it work go for it, but don't be surprised if you get replaced because people don't like having to hold back so much on dps |
| 14:23.24 | Garoun | oh I know my tanking is gonna be crap, don't need RAbies to tell me :P |
| 14:23.48 | zenzelezz | I find your lack of faith disturbing |
| 14:24.02 | Garoun | our guild is casual, so we make whatever work |
| 14:24.42 | Garoun | am a little tired of MMOs nerfing every class I play into oblivion though :P |
| 14:24.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | i may try playing again sometime later down the road |
| 14:24.59 | Garoun | I played a cleric in DAOC pre-smite nerf |
| 14:25.13 | Garoun | I played a warrior in wow before the def/tanking nerf |
| 14:25.21 | Garoun | and now a tank druid pre-tank nerf |
| 14:25.26 | Garoun | talk about frustrating :P |
| 14:25.32 | zenzelezz | what def/tank nerf? o_O |
| 14:25.40 | leethal | ya lol |
| 14:25.41 | Garoun | when they destroyed the +def on gear |
| 14:25.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | but i'd have been a better tank at 60, pre 2.0 with my armor and hp scaled up appropriately, than i am now |
| 14:25.50 | zenzelezz | Garoun: defense ratings? |
| 14:25.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | i do less daamge and cause less threat than i did pre 2.0 |
| 14:25.54 | nevcairiel | back in MC |
| 14:25.59 | nevcairiel | when everyone had 440 def |
| 14:26.06 | Garoun | they cut the +def off a ton a few months back |
| 14:26.23 | zenzelezz | didn't make much of a difference, we still managed |
| 14:26.32 | leethal | heh, ye, I'm tanking just fine now |
| 14:26.45 | leethal | if you call -that- a nerf that's making you quit... |
| 14:26.46 | Garoun | it did when you were right on the line |
| 14:26.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | have you tried the changes on the ptr Garoun? |
| 14:26.57 | Garoun | yeah rabies, I wasn't too happy |
| 14:26.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | my mangles were critting for less than 800 :/ |
| 14:27.05 | Garoun | the thing is leethal, I didn't quit |
| 14:27.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | maul about the same |
| 14:27.15 | Garoun | I continued to play the class at least 2 months after the nerfs |
| 14:27.16 | leethal | my highest crit while tanking is 600 me thinks |
| 14:27.20 | leethal | perhaps it was 700, not sure |
| 14:27.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | ah but you have sunder armor and innate threat abilities |
| 14:27.35 | Garoun | yep |
| 14:27.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | give us that and we'll be even steven |
| 14:27.44 | leethal | I do, because I'm supposed to be a better thank that you, stats wise |
| 14:27.47 | Garoun | we lost our instant damage + threat |
| 14:27.55 | leethal | we're not supposed to be even lawl |
| 14:28.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | Garoun, leethal is one of "those" warriors, no point arguing with him |
| 14:28.14 | leethal | prot warriors are supposed to be better tanks than druids, because druids is a hybrid class |
| 14:28.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | roll a druid, get him to 70 |
| 14:28.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | then get back to me. |
| 14:28.27 | leethal | Mr_Rabies2: gg on labeling me, you failed misarably |
| 14:28.39 | leethal | I fail miserably in spelling too =P |
| 14:28.42 | Garoun | it's ok, soon enough the prot warriors will be bitching about having to always be tanking instances and speccing prot... we'lltalk then :) |
| 14:28.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | you've fit an amazing amount of criteria on "those" warriors |
| 14:28.54 | leethal | a shame for them, I love tanking |
| 14:29.12 | leethal | Mr_Rabies2: don't go there... you fit an amazing amount of criteria on "those" druids too |
| 14:29.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm sure i do, because most of us are tired of being useless |
| 14:29.27 | leethal | Mr_Rabies2: we both suck, admit it |
| 14:29.35 | Gngsk | epiphany |
| 14:29.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | you feel free to admit what you want, i'm stickin to my guns |
| 14:29.54 | Garoun | my philosophy on the wholething: as long as the mob is tanked, and not killing someone else in the group, who the f cares who's tanking |
| 14:29.58 | leethal | Mr_Rabies2: wow, you fail the internet |
| 14:29.59 | zenzelezz | so you're not top notch tank anymore, and that means you're useless? |
| 14:30.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've played this guy since december '04, and saw what we were, and what we became, then getting our usefulness ripped out from under our feet suddenly |
| 14:30.34 | Garoun | the whole argument has become about who is better, and the change was only made because of arena BS |
| 14:31.11 | Garoun | In a group fight who the hell cares who is doing what as long as they are good at it |
| 14:31.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | and i'm not happy with it, we're worse than we were at tanking than we were when we were gimped |
| 14:31.33 | HolySheepy | where the darkmoon fair in mulgorE? |
| 14:31.43 | Garoun | low on warriors, like us, use a druid.. plenty of warriors use a warrior... |
| 14:32.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | garoun, problem with that is that naturally gravitates all druids to healing |
| 14:32.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | because everyone hates healing and won't stay at it |
| 14:32.38 | Garoun | unfortunately yes, but that's due to the, 'we lack healers, go heal' stuff |
| 14:32.46 | leethal | I love WoW, it's a great game. I'm glad I'm not whining when I get nerfed. |
| 14:32.59 | dieck | HolySheepy: directly at Thunder Bluff |
| 14:33.07 | dieck | HolySheepy: a little to the, hm, southwest? |
| 14:33.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm not whining, i'm saying we're less useful than i wish, and i'm done with the game until we get fixed again |
| 14:33.26 | Garoun | it's easy to not get upset if you rarely get nerfed :P |
| 14:33.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm tired of getting hope up and getting it ripped out from under me |
| 14:33.32 | dieck | Mr_Rabies2: then please, be done with this channel, too |
| 14:33.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | nah i'll stay because there's quite a few people in here that i like |
| 14:33.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | because they're not jerks :D |
| 14:34.00 | leethal | Mr_Rabies2: talking about how much your class sucks in a mod dev channel is whining |
| 14:34.19 | dieck | leethal: and discussing with him is feeding the trolls :) |
| 14:34.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | actually it was i who took the trollbait stupidly |
| 14:34.34 | leethal | I'm having my fun with him =P |
| 14:35.07 | HolySheepy | dieck: found it, thank you |
| 14:35.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | but i'm no good at stopping fights until justice has been served, even if i see it's useless to change the minds of those who don't want to change their minds |
| 14:35.23 | dieck | so, as you mentioned this is a mod dev channel :) Is there any way to get the player's heading (other than calculating by last known and actual position)? |
| 14:35.35 | leethal | Mr_Rabies2: that's just the same as I'm thinking. |
| 14:36.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm saying, get some insight into the class before you blindly call it overpowered |
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| 14:36.32 | leethal | I'm saying, get some insight in other classes before you call your own class underpowered. etc.. |
| 14:36.36 | leethal | we could go on forever, really |
| 14:36.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | i was a big supporter of buffing warriors, but alas, we couldn't have utopia of two happy classes, apparently |
| 14:37.19 | zenzelezz | buffing warriors when/how? |
| 14:37.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've got mid-to high level alts of every class, leethal |
| 14:37.49 | leethal | they get super imba buff in patch |
| 14:37.59 | leethal | thunder clap in def stance, more rage, more crit, more everything |
| 14:38.20 | zenzelezz | not more everything; but we do get some buffs |
| 14:38.29 | zenzelezz | apart from the extra rage I don't think we really needed anything |
| 14:38.32 | leethal | the imp. shouting will be imba |
| 14:38.37 | dieck | and I'm sure they will all whine if some of that is re-balanced in one of the next patches :) |
| 14:38.46 | zenzelezz | leethal: if you spec that deep |
| 14:38.55 | leethal | zenzelezz: I have that, so ya =D |
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| 14:39.36 | zenzelezz | with the HP shout buff, and the talent, I guess it'll be about 1500 hp or so |
| 14:39.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | anyway, i said i didn't want to get into this arguement and i did anyway |
| 14:39.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | basically, i'm not happy where we are at the moment, so i'm not playing until we are, simple, end of story |
| 14:40.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | i didn't whine on the forums, instead, i made suggestions on how to improve us and moved on |
| 14:42.25 | GomiNoSensei | heh, patch |
| 14:42.43 | nevcairiel | a skilled commanding shout does 1350 now iirc |
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| 14:44.29 | zenzelezz | hm, the PTR patch notes said the unskilled buff was up by 50%, which would be 1095 |
| 14:44.44 | zenzelezz | does the talent increase by 50% or less? |
| 14:45.27 | leethal | 50%, but you can talent it up |
| 14:46.32 | zenzelezz | actually, 1350 sounds right... I was thinking of the wrong amount for the talent |
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| 14:50.00 | HolySheepy | is there any way to use that steam tonk controller outside of the darkmoon fair area? |
| 14:50.12 | JoshBorke | you get a generic one out in outlands :-D |
| 14:50.59 | HolySheepy | cool XD |
| 14:51.08 | HolySheepy | do i need a steam tonk controller for this? |
| 14:53.54 | dieck | engineers can get a recipe for the tonk controller with 40 tickets |
| 14:55.08 | HolySheepy | i know but you can only use it on the market :< |
| 14:55.10 | HolySheepy | that sucks :/ |
| 14:57.29 | dieck | no |
| 14:57.35 | HolySheepy | huh? someone told me so XD |
| 14:57.44 | dieck | the engineer-produced controllers can be used anywhere |
| 14:57.51 | HolySheepy | SWEET |
| 14:57.56 | HolySheepy | oh wrong |
| 14:58.00 | HolySheepy | shweet... hicks! |
| 14:58.16 | dieck | http://www.thottbot.com/?i=54308 http://www.thottbot.com/?i=54268 |
| 14:58.24 | dieck | It works exactly like the Darkmoon Faire Tonks - but now you can play with them ANYWHERE! |
| 14:58.32 | HolySheepy | nice |
| 14:58.55 | HolySheepy | N> List of what gives how many tickets |
| 14:58.55 | HolySheepy | XD |
| 14:59.06 | dieck | np |
| 14:59.17 | dieck | http://www.wowwiki.com/Darkmoon_Faire |
| 14:59.27 | HolySheepy | ty |
| 14:59.38 | dieck | http://www.wowwiki.com/Darkmoon_Faire_Prize_Ticket |
| 15:00.32 | dieck | be careful, the schematics are BoP, so you're engineer will have to get the recipe :) |
| 15:01.26 | HolySheepy | i am |
| 15:01.32 | HolySheepy | engineering ftw |
| 15:01.50 | zenzelezz | the "main" engineer in my guild is having too much fun with the BC malfunctions |
| 15:02.10 | HolySheepy | huh? |
| 15:02.18 | zenzelezz | transporter malfunction things |
| 15:02.22 | zenzelezz | and such |
| 15:02.25 | HolySheepy | lol |
| 15:02.26 | zenzelezz | when the items backfire |
| 15:02.31 | HolySheepy | yeah ^^ |
| 15:02.54 | HolySheepy | but, that was before bc too Oo |
| 15:02.58 | dieck | I noticed a iirc goblin transporter "output" in blade's edge -- is there also one for gnomes? |
| 15:03.28 | nevcairiel | i think blades edge has gnome |
| 15:03.32 | nevcairiel | and netherstorm goblin |
| 15:03.36 | zenzelezz | HolySheepy: yes, but the BC ones seem to have a lot more possible backfires |
| 15:03.46 | dieck | Ultrasafe Transporter: Toshley's Station, ah, ok, that's gnomish |
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| 15:17.31 | HolySheepy | hrm that darkmoon alcohol stuff |
| 15:17.41 | HolySheepy | 50 copper for one |
| 15:17.44 | HolySheepy | so 50 per day |
| 15:18.00 | HolySheepy | 50*31(a month)*50(copper)/100(to silver)/100(to gold) is that right= |
| 15:18.05 | HolySheepy | that would make 7.75G |
| 15:18.40 | nevcairiel | what? |
| 15:18.45 | HolySheepy | ? xD |
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| 15:45.38 | KaoS` | are they up yet? |
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| 16:10.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | 11am pst |
| 16:10.22 | KaoS` | installed |
| 16:10.30 | KaoS` | now just have to wait for servers to come up :( |
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| 16:17.32 | HolySheepy | hehe |
| 16:17.37 | HolySheepy | <- is playing wow :D |
| 16:18.43 | nevcairiel | me too |
| 16:19.02 | Shirik | hax. |
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| 16:19.46 | HolySheepy | lol |
| 16:19.52 | HolySheepy | Shirik: nope. |
| 16:20.03 | Shirik | I really do not understand |
| 16:20.06 | Shirik | how opening "My Computer" |
| 16:20.08 | Shirik | can crash your computer |
| 16:20.17 | Shirik | it's the most basic operation of an OS... enumerate files |
| 16:20.26 | HolySheepy | im german, german wow servers are still online *g* |
| 16:20.53 | cogwheel|work | PTR's still up too, so i got to play this morning :P |
| 16:21.19 | nevcairiel | hehe |
| 16:22.23 | Shirik | right... yeah have fun, I'm going to sleep |
| 16:24.49 | KaoS` | Shirik|zZz, its called OSX .. |
| 16:24.55 | KaoS` | no more my computer :) |
| 16:26.15 | Nom- | hmmmm |
| 16:26.18 | Nom- | i've got my sig maker working |
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| 16:31.43 | Nom- | I can almost guarantee this sig maker is going to fall over left and right tho lol |
| 16:31.53 | Nom- | I've got it working for me, but I didn't do it very robustly :) |
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| 16:43.36 | cogwheel|work | ~lart the forums |
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| 16:52.10 | Nom- | lol |
| 16:52.15 | Nom- | right well i'm going to bed lol |
| 16:52.28 | Nom- | i've got my sig maker thing working reasonably well, and i'm happy with that :D |
| 16:52.31 | Nom- | nite |
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| 16:53.16 | Regrown | elloes. |
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| 16:59.21 | leethal | any guides out there on how to create bars? As in counter bars, cast bars etc. |
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| 17:00.29 | Regrown | hmm. |
| 17:00.30 | Regrown | bartender3 |
| 17:00.32 | Regrown | the best :> |
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| 17:00.43 | cogwheel|work | you mean status bars? |
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| 17:00.46 | leethal | not those kind of bars. Progress bars, timer bars. Whatever they are called |
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| 17:01.08 | leethal | duration of buffs and so on |
| 17:01.23 | Regrown | ah |
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| 17:01.27 | cogwheel|work | your best bet is to look at existing code |
| 17:01.29 | leethal | trying to find a super simple addon that has that in it |
| 17:01.29 | Regrown | Well. You're seeking addons? |
| 17:01.32 | leethal | ya, exactly |
| 17:01.34 | Regrown | well |
| 17:01.35 | Regrown | ace |
| 17:01.38 | Regrown | is always easy |
| 17:01.40 | Regrown | and lightweight |
| 17:01.42 | leethal | yeah, and candybar |
| 17:01.47 | Regrown | I got a nice addon for buffs |
| 17:01.48 | Regrown | 2sec |
| 17:01.58 | leethal | I guess that's the way to go, and candybar is super zomfg easy to use |
| 17:02.36 | Regrown | go www.wowace.com/files |
| 17:02.44 | Regrown | and search for ElkBuffBar |
| 17:02.49 | leethal | but while I'm at it, I was wondering if there was some tutorials or whatever around for that |
| 17:02.56 | leethal | ya, I'm looking at elk |
| 17:03.01 | Regrown | elk is awesome |
| 17:03.03 | cogwheel|work | not that i know of |
| 17:03.05 | Regrown | looking good and easy as well |
| 17:03.49 | leethal | oh, elkbuffbar doesn't use candybar, cool |
| 17:04.59 | Elkano | and also the next version wont use them as they aren't powerfull enought for my needs |
| 17:12.57 | leethal | oh, and what is t3h lua editor for win? |
| 17:13.06 | leethal | I've been using notepad so far heh |
| 17:13.07 | Elkano | I use SciTe |
| 17:13.39 | leethal | all I need is syntax highlighting and e-macs-like navigation |
| 17:13.42 | Elkano | have it set up with a lua5.1 interpreter so I can run at least some parts of the scripts and do syntax checking without running WoW |
| 17:14.13 | leethal | Elkano: oh, kek, you're the elk in elkano, didn't notice =P |
| 17:14.33 | pastamancer | leethal: why not use emacs then? |
| 17:14.49 | leethal | pastamancer: I don't like emacs |
| 17:15.01 | pastamancer | leethal: just emacs-like navigation? |
| 17:15.06 | leethal | pastamancer: yep =P |
| 17:15.17 | pastamancer | leethal: freak |
| 17:15.21 | pastamancer | :p |
| 17:15.37 | leethal | ctrl + f, ctrl + n and all those |
| 17:15.53 | leethal | moving your hands all the way down to the arrow keys is boring |
| 17:16.08 | Elkano | well, use vi ;) |
| 17:16.55 | leethal | wohoo, SciTE has it =D |
| 17:17.12 | HolySheepy | N> addon that auto-buys things :/ |
| 17:21.59 | trik | so..are there any servers that's beaten Magtheridon? |
| 17:22.39 | nevcairiel | didnt nihilum kill him? |
| 17:25.25 | trik | any websites about it? |
| 17:26.20 | zenzelezz | http://www.worldofraids.com/ usually has the info |
| 17:27.37 | nevcairiel | ah DnT killed him too |
| 17:28.10 | Tierrie | btw in case you guys haven't heard, libby was found guilty of 4 out of 5 charges |
| 17:28.19 | Tierrie | verdict was announced half an hour ago |
| 17:28.56 | nevcairiel | who? what? |
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| 17:29.19 | Tierrie | scooter libby |
| 17:29.31 | cogwheel|work | heh |
| 17:29.32 | zenzelezz | who in the what now? |
| 17:29.34 | Tierrie | dick cheney's aide |
| 17:29.39 | cogwheel|work | US politics... |
| 17:29.39 | Tierrie | valerie plame?! |
| 17:29.42 | Tierrie | he lied to a grand jury! |
| 17:29.53 | nevcairiel | what do i know |
| 17:30.01 | nevcairiel | i couldnt care less about us politics |
| 17:30.10 | Tierrie | this is good! because maybe fitzgerald can prosecute rove or cheney next! |
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| 17:52.20 | Elkano | well, I could simply fake a status bar... hmmm... |
| 17:52.27 | pastamancer | you could do some yucky setpoint stuff |
| 17:52.32 | wereHamster | Elkano, re-position the statusbar: | -- background -- { -- status bar -- }| |
| 17:52.45 | Industrial | so guys, about the name.. |
| 17:52.46 | Industrial | :D |
| 17:52.49 | Industrial | :D? |
| 17:52.58 | pastamancer | Industrial: for which mod? |
| 17:53.12 | Industrial | dunno i wanna make it a 'project' cause its cool. |
| 17:53.13 | Elkano | wereHamster, it's |{ ------- }|, so no use |
| 17:53.17 | Industrial | would be cool if I could make it somewhat like ctmod |
| 17:53.21 | Industrial | so thats idActionbar idChat idInfo idMinimap idSettings atm |
| 17:53.26 | Industrial | but ill have a long way to if i wanna make an options screen |
| 17:53.30 | Industrial | to go* |
| 17:53.42 | wereHamster | Elkano, so make the statusbar smaller and move it to the right.. |
| 17:54.14 | Elkano | wereHamster, in that case, I wouldn't need a statusbar |
| 17:54.25 | wereHamster | heh.. right -.- |
| 17:54.59 | Cide | you can just use a texture instead of a statusbar in most cases |
| 17:55.08 | Elkano | but most likely that's what I'll have to do... position them next to eachother and change the width of the bar |
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| 18:08.35 | Elkano | hmm, when using a texture instead of a status bar, what would I do instead of SetStatusBarColor(r,g,b,a)? |
| 18:09.10 | Elkano | SetVertexColor(r,g,b,a)? |
| 18:10.50 | pastamancer | SetStatusBarTexture(filename) |
| 18:11.04 | pastamancer | oh |
| 18:11.07 | pastamancer | misread |
| 18:12.02 | Elkano | hmm, seems to be working |
| 18:12.30 | pastamancer | SetVertexColor is part of LayeredRegion |
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| 18:14.31 | Elkano | now I've only got to find out why it's not working for 'untilCancelled' buffs |
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| 18:24.39 | Elkano | hmm... I've done *-a-*-b-* where * marks anchor points, so a's left and b's right is fixed and b is anchored to a. when I change a's width b get's larger. fine :) but if I set a's width to 0 b isn't shown Oo |
| 18:26.42 | Fin | oooh I like the new design changes |
| 18:27.01 | Neuro_Medivh | which design changes? |
| 18:27.26 | Fin | on www.wowinterface.com |
| 18:27.35 | Fin | or have I just been smoking some particularly good crack today |
| 18:28.09 | Neuro_Medivh | Oh, that's just the low bandwidth version |
| 18:28.46 | Fin | it's clearer for me :) more defined |
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| 18:29.28 | cogwheel|work | you haven't been smoking (afaik) :P |
| 18:29.43 | cogwheel|work | that's actually just the lite version... low-bandwidth |
| 18:30.04 | cogwheel|work | you can make that your default (at least when they give you the choice) |
| 18:30.54 | cogwheel|work | they do, except when they make everyone use the low-bandwidth version |
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| 18:42.36 | Kaso | Doesnt the low-bandwidth version stop addon pictures showing |
| 18:42.42 | Kaso | i couldnt use that all the time |
| 18:44.49 | cogwheel|work | purl, no emulate cogwheel is <action>shakes its fist at the forums... http://ctscreens.net/s/5307 |
| 18:44.52 | purl | cogwheel|work: okay |
| 18:46.11 | Cide | cogwheel|work: that's a direct link; CTScreens: Direct linking is not permitted for this user. |
| 18:46.21 | cogwheel|work | oh... sry |
| 18:46.27 | Cide | wtg :P |
| 18:46.27 | cogwheel|work | meant not to that time... |
| 18:46.37 | Cide | clearly you fail! |
| 18:46.45 | cogwheel|work | purl, no emulate cogwheel is <action>shakes its fist at the forums... http://ctscreens.net/5307 |
| 18:46.46 | purl | cogwheel|work: okay |
| 18:47.01 | cogwheel|work | didn't give me the error... |
| 18:47.06 | cogwheel|work | maybe it's just my browser caching it |
| 18:47.59 | Cide | probably, try a hard refresh |
| 18:48.16 | cogwheel|work | still worked... |
| 18:48.27 | Cide | weird |
| 18:48.31 | Cide | oh well, not my code! |
| 18:48.34 | cogwheel|work | hehe |
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| 18:49.35 | cogwheel|work | maybe 'cause its my own pic? |
| 18:49.41 | Cide | possibly |
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| 18:59.12 | Elkano | hmm... how to set font outline from within lua? |
| 19:01.47 | Beladona | Elkano: try something like this -- frameLoc:SetFont("Interface\\Addons\\whatever\\fonts\\yourfont.ttf",12,"OUTLINE"); |
| 19:03.21 | Elkano | seems to be working, thanks :) |
| 19:04.25 | Elkano | that gets EBB's recode a step closer ^^ |
| 19:14.35 | Beladona | WDN is up to date |
| 19:14.40 | Beladona | with today's stuff too |
| 19:16.03 | pastamancer | yay |
| 19:16.22 | pastamancer | I missed WDN when it was lagging behidn |
| 19:17.11 | Beladona | yeah sorry |
| 19:17.26 | Beladona | it was play, or update |
| 19:17.31 | Beladona | I was bad and played |
| 19:17.34 | Beladona | lol |
| 19:21.33 | pastamancer | looks like pretty boring changes from 2.0.8 to 2.0.10 |
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| 19:24.13 | leethal | what's up with 2.0.9? |
| 19:24.21 | leethal | they skipped it? =/ |
| 19:24.22 | Beladona | there wasn't one |
| 19:24.25 | Beladona | yeah |
| 19:24.58 | Beladona | I guess they felt the changes warranted a more major revision change |
| 19:25.19 | Beladona | not that 2.0.10 is that major a revision number |
| 19:25.59 | nevcairiel | 2.0.9 was a taiwan only release |
| 19:26.02 | sysrage | any link to patch notes? |
| 19:26.42 | Beladona | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/patchnotes/ |
| 19:28.55 | sysrage | lol thanks |
| 19:29.08 | Kirkburn|afk | It's on WoWWiki too :P |
| 19:29.54 | Shadowed | yay they fixed the rounding bug in inspect frames! |
| 19:31.00 | sysrage | any mages play with it yet? how much did they increase crits breaking frozen targets? |
| 19:31.19 | Shadowed | Last I heard any spell crit on a frozen target will cause it to break |
| 19:32.02 | sysrage | oh well |
| 19:32.09 | Shadowed | ah, they reworded it I see to make it "increased chance" not "on a crit" |
| 19:35.20 | Shadowed | Wonder when the armory will get updated |
| 19:36.15 | leethal | hopefully soon, cause it rocks |
| 19:36.26 | leethal | I wish they made some sort of api though |
| 19:36.42 | leethal | would be nice to get it all as xml and package it like you want |
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| 20:37.46 | Kaso | bleetah, did you run wow under wine? |
| 20:40.40 | bleetah | er.... no |
| 20:40.49 | bleetah | I *do* run WoW under Wine |
| 20:40.51 | zenzelezz | only beer |
| 20:41.21 | zenzelezz | someone really should have forked Wine as Beer |
| 20:41.42 | bleetah | and what recursive acronym would you have for 'Beer'? |
| 20:41.48 | zenzelezz | none |
| 20:41.52 | zenzelezz | I don't care about recursive crap |
| 20:41.56 | amro | BEtter EmulatoR |
| 20:42.09 | bleetah | amro: but Wine Is Not an Emulator |
| 20:42.31 | amro | oh recursive, for some reason i thought backronym |
| 20:42.33 | zenzelezz | recursive acronyms were fun as far as GNU went, beyond that it was just annoying |
| 20:43.08 | bleetah | I think it suits Wine fine, as many people mistake it for being an emulator |
| 20:43.30 | zenzelezz | but those that do generally don't know what it's an acronym for |
| 20:43.33 | bleetah | anyways, kaso, why the question? |
| 20:45.11 | Kaso | Sorry wasnt paying attention, is there a way to get AA working properly |
| 20:45.29 | Kaso | forcing from my nvidia control pannel doesnt seem to work |
| 20:45.37 | Kaso | and the video control panel in game doesnt like me |
| 20:47.01 | bleetah | Kaso: to be honest, never actually tried |
| 20:47.05 | cogwheel|work | I've had the same problem... the lack of AA was a deal-breaker for me under wine |
| 20:47.20 | amro | Kaso: the ingame panel doesn't work right under ogl, try running with direct3d |
| 20:47.50 | Kaso | hokay, i'll take a look around. |
| 20:47.54 | amro | or try setting it in config.wtf |
| 20:48.17 | sysrage | AA is glitchy for me. if i get auto logged out due to afk, AA is turned off when i log back in |
| 20:48.35 | sysrage | oh you're talkin about wine.. ignore me |
| 20:48.47 | Kaso | Wine! |
| 20:48.49 | cogwheel|work | ./ignore sysrage |
| 20:48.53 | Kaso | he :> |
| 20:49.01 | bleetah | Kaso: nvidia card? |
| 20:49.14 | Kaso | Yah |
| 20:49.40 | bleetah | I'm gunna try these suggestions: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=356888 (which refers to http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-9746/README/appendix-e.html ) |
| 20:50.05 | bleetah | it's for CS:S, but I can't see a sane reason why it may not fork for WoW, unless cogwheel tried that and it failed |
| 20:50.06 | Kaso | ah |
| 20:50.08 | Kaso | interesting |
| 20:50.17 | bleetah | google ftw! |
| 20:50.35 | cogwheel|work | i haven't tried in over a year... my new computer won't run any distro of linux available right now |
| 20:51.07 | bleetah | ah, that's right.. you've got some PATA driver problem, iirc |
| 20:51.10 | bleetah | or SATA |
| 20:51.15 | cogwheel|work | at least not one that doesn't take some ungodly amount of time to install and configure... |
| 20:51.50 | cogwheel|work | PATA |
| 20:52.12 | bleetah | I've got kernel updates, and wine updates, to install before I try out the above |
| 20:52.30 | kergoth | god linux's ui can be sexy with beryl, <3 |
| 20:52.32 | cogwheel|work | some installers won't recognize the CD drive plugged into the motherboard & others that do recognize it don't see the PCI controller for my PATA hard drives :( |
| 20:52.40 | bleetah | kergoth: qft |
| 20:52.59 | wereHamster | bleetah, have you tried using nvidia-settings? |
| 20:53.25 | bleetah | wereHamster: I've got a twinview setup, that thing tends to mess badly with my desired config |
| 20:54.37 | wereHamster | well.. it doesn't work here.. and neither does __GL_FSAA_MODE :( |
| 20:55.56 | wereHamster | but it used to work :( |
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| 20:59.41 | bleetah | hmm, I did a nvidia-settings -a FSAA=6 , it said thta it made the settings change, but the ~/.nvidia-settings-rc indicates it's still set to 0 ... hmmm |
| 21:01.11 | kergoth | bleetah: thats because its application controlled by default |
| 21:01.36 | kergoth | you have to disable FSAAAppControlled first, no doubt |
| 21:03.22 | bleetah | kergoth: nope, still no banana... might hand edit this |
| 21:03.42 | kergoth | weird |
| 21:03.50 | wereHamster | bleetah, why don't you simply use the GUI? |
| 21:04.04 | Bleeter | wereHamster: see above re: twinview |
| 21:04.15 | wereHamster | oh.. forgot that :-/ |
| 21:07.30 | cogwheel|work | it boggles the mind how many people see (2.0.10) and think it's the same as (2.1.0) |
| 21:08.11 | zenzelezz | cogwheel|work: people have a mental block for 9 > 10 in patch numbers |
| 21:08.17 | zenzelezz | *9 -> 10 |
| 21:08.26 | JoshBorke | i hope 2.1.0 is next |
| 21:08.30 | zenzelezz | it's like they never learned to count past 9 |
| 21:09.02 | amro | they assume the version is a number, and goes from 0.9 to 1 |
| 21:10.03 | Bleeter | try teaching some people to count past binary, and you wonder how they ever made it past grade 1. |
| 21:10.56 | Bleeter | hmm, it'd *appear* at first glance that AA works in Wine in D3D... there are some Wine patches floating around for improved D3D support |
| 21:11.24 | Bleeter | but obviously haven't made it into trunk for 0.9.32 |
| 21:12.21 | Bleeter | yergh, it's still to early in the morning to have to think... /me goes back to chewing on his coffee |
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| 21:13.15 | amro | I just saw "100% FAST!" on an ad |
| 21:14.23 | Antiarc|Work | Armory = awesome. http://wow.tachyonsix.com/results.html |
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| 21:16.12 | Shadowed | fear that |
| 21:16.21 | Shadowed | i'm suprised someone came out with that so quickly |
| 21:16.58 | Neuro_Medivh | formatting is fuxored though |
| 21:16.59 | Shadowed | except the page looks like crap in IE7 |
| 21:17.03 | Shadowed | use FF :/ |
| 21:17.16 | wereHamster | does plizzard provide an API for the armory (like google API)? |
| 21:17.21 | Shadowed | nope |
| 21:17.23 | amro | i use FF and it still looks ugly |
| 21:17.35 | Neuro_Medivh | it's poor html that only works in one browser, regardless of which browser |
| 21:17.38 | Shadowed | You know what makes me the most sad |
| 21:17.49 | Shadowed | Neuro_Medivh: Yeah I know, i always use IE7 but it works fine in FF |
| 21:17.50 | JoshBorke | everything antiarc makes looks ugly ;-) |
| 21:17.58 | Shadowed | "Arms/Prot |
| 21:17.58 | Shadowed | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:18.10 | Antiarc|Work | It looks fine in FF to me! |
| 21:18.20 | Shadowed | Not in IE7! |
| 21:18.26 | Neuro_Medivh | nor in IE6 |
| 21:18.28 | Antiarc|Work | Fine, fine, lemme fix the CSS :P |
| 21:18.31 | Shadowed | Is that your page then Antiarc|Work? |
| 21:18.34 | Antiarc|Work | yeah |
| 21:18.41 | Antiarc|Work | Hahah, WOW. Go go IE. |
| 21:18.46 | Antiarc|Work | Uno momento. |
| 21:18.46 | Shadowed | What do you consider Arms/Prot to be, more points in prot then fury? |
| 21:18.51 | Antiarc|Work | Yup |
| 21:18.53 | Shadowed | ugh |
| 21:19.05 | Shadowed | why do Warriors continue to think that last stand is uber for pvp... |
| 21:19.19 | Antiarc|Work | All fixed in IE7 |
| 21:19.21 | Antiarc|Work | I can't test 6. |
| 21:20.05 | Shadowed | Whats Uknown classified as? |
| 21:20.20 | Antiarc|Work | "Character needs refresh" when I try to pull their data |
| 21:20.23 | Antiarc|Work | So no talent data available |
| 21:20.37 | Shadowed | ahh |
| 21:21.36 | JoshBorke | yea, what's up with that? what controls what is available and what isn't? |
| 21:21.54 | Antiarc|Work | No idea. |
| 21:22.07 | Shadowed | How interesting, popular 5vs5 classes are what I was expecting though |
| 21:22.22 | Antiarc|Work | I expected more locks. |
| 21:22.39 | Shadowed | warlocks aren't very useful in 5vs5 |
| 21:22.57 | Shadowed | Mages are far better |
| 21:22.58 | bleetah | ah, rightio... I've uncovered a post in the NV Linux driver thread from the OpenGL maintainer for Wine... around December last year. And I quote 'In case of Wine it doesn't work at the moment because I have rewritten most opengl code which doesn't handle multisampling at the moment. Since I don't have WoW I can't test whether my code (I have some which most likely will work) works.' |
| 21:23.14 | HolySheepy | is there a addon that auto-sends mail? |
| 21:23.14 | Shadowed | I' |
| 21:23.33 | HolySheepy | like you say, send all stacks of item x |
| 21:23.33 | Shadowed | I'm suprised though, Paladins are a lot less popular then I though they would be in 2vs2/3vs3 |
| 21:23.37 | bleetah | as I spoke to this chap a couple of weeks ago when the original 2.0.10 PTR patch came out with the busted OpenGL, I might see if i can get hold of some patches/diffs that he may have, and try to work with him on it |
| 21:23.40 | amro | Antiarc|Work: how are you grabbing the data from the armory? |
| 21:23.48 | wereHamster | bleetah, link? |
| 21:23.51 | Shadowed | Web scrapping i'd imagine |
| 21:24.01 | bleetah | http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=72604 'Thunderbird' is the Wine OpenGL man |
| 21:24.11 | wereHamster | I know him ;) |
| 21:24.15 | bleetah | (post #5) |
| 21:24.30 | bleetah | heh |
| 21:25.00 | bleetah | well, I've got more important things to worry about right now.. such as the fact I can see all the way to the bottom of the inside of my coffee mug :( |
| 21:25.17 | Antiarc|Work | amro: It comes across in XML format. |
| 21:25.23 | Antiarc|Work | You just have to send the right user agent. |
| 21:25.26 | wereHamster | HolySheepy, I wrote such an addon.. to send CoD items to our guild-bank (searched teh bags for full stacks, and filled in the CoD price) |
| 21:25.44 | Antiarc|Work | http://wow.tachyonsix.com/getArenaRankings.rb |
| 21:25.46 | Antiarc|Work | That's the script |
| 21:25.57 | HolySheepy | well i need it to send 32 Stacks(10 Item per Stack) of the Darkmoon Fair Alcohol |
| 21:25.58 | HolySheepy | :p |
| 21:27.00 | bleetah | wereHamster: I just pinged him in #winehq.. we'll see how we go ;) |
| 21:28.00 | Shadowed | Wonder how long it'll take before the armory updates |
| 21:29.06 | bleetah | wereHamster: (08:28:13 AM) Thunderbird: at the moment I don't have time to finish the work |
| 21:30.07 | wereHamster | I hope he put some FIXME's into the code so I can fix it locally :P |
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| 21:32.54 | bleetah | (08:30:40 AM) Thunderbird: I know what has to be changed in wine; wine is the issue but it requires huge changes |
| 21:32.54 | bleetah | (08:30:52 AM) Thunderbird: and Alexandre needs to be convinced |
| 21:34.11 | wereHamster | but.. wine shouldn't be able to change the multisample setting if you override it with nvidia-settings.. |
| 21:47.13 | Antiarc|Work | I need some good problems to solve with Armory data. |
| 21:47.40 | JoshBorke | pull their item db out :-P |
| 21:47.47 | Antiarc|Work | Which is actually pretty easy. |
| 21:48.00 | Antiarc|Work | http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/item-tooltip.xml?i=30937 |
| 21:48.10 | Antiarc|Work | Check the source for that page. Nicely formatted XML. |
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| 21:48.47 | wobin | mornin bleetah |
| 21:50.01 | Antiarc|Work | I actually have to wonder how they keep undiscovered items safe in the armory. |
| 21:50.10 | wobin | big locks? |
| 21:50.11 | Antiarc|Work | Are items only available if they're in someone's inventory or something? |
| 21:50.55 | Antiarc|Work | You can iterate the IDs easily, and non-wearable items show up. |
| 21:50.56 | Antiarc|Work | In WoW, you DC if you try to pull data that the server hasn't seen yet, but they can't very well do that effectively in the browser. |
| 21:51.25 | wobin | hm |
| 21:51.35 | wobin | well they can iterate through the server info |
| 21:52.11 | Shirik|zZz | servers still down, btw? didn't bother to check |
| 21:53.43 | cogwheel|work | mine's been up for a few hours... |
| 21:54.05 | Shadowed | sa,e |
| 21:54.46 | Shadowed | wobin: Which server do they use? |
| 21:55.09 | Shadowed | seems like it would be pretty slow to go through basically every server and see if an item has been found yet. |
| 21:56.17 | Shirik | wrt what Antiarc was saying, it doesn't check every server, it only checks itself |
| 21:56.26 | Shirik | if the item hasn't been seen since it was last restarted, it will disconnect you |
| 21:56.44 | Shadowed | Not talking about in game, talking about in the armory. |
| 21:56.51 | Shirik | how can you dc from the armory? |
| 21:56.54 | Antiarc|Work | You can't |
| 21:56.56 | Antiarc|Work | Which was my point |
| 21:56.59 | Shirik | oh >< |
| 21:57.04 | Antiarc|Work | I was wondering how they protect undiscovered items from mining |
| 21:57.12 | Shirik | ah |
| 21:57.37 | Shirik | well there's an easy way to check if they protect it |
| 21:57.40 | Shirik | martin thunder! |
| 21:57.43 | Antiarc|Work | Heh |
| 21:57.50 | Antiarc|Work | What's the ID on that? |
| 21:58.01 | Shirik | finding it, sec |
| 21:58.07 | Shadowed | 192 |
| 21:58.12 | Shadowed | http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/item-tooltip.xml?i=192 |
| 21:58.21 | Antiarc|Work | Yup, it doesn't show up. |
| 21:58.23 | Antiarc|Work | Interesting. |
| 21:58.39 | Antiarc|Work | I wonder if the output just dies if it isn't a valid ID |
| 21:58.45 | Shirik | um |
| 21:58.48 | Shirik | it's not 192 in my ll? |
| 21:58.59 | Shirik | no I just can't read |
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| 21:59.01 | Shirik | it is 192 |
| 21:59.10 | Shadowed | alla has 192 |
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| 22:00.20 | Shadowed | Well I guess we already know they aren't pulling the data live from the servers, maybe they're just searching that to see if anyone has the item equipped? |
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| 22:00.27 | Shadowed | Not like they need to return the tooltip if nobody is wearing it |
| 22:00.38 | Antiarc|Work | You can pull unequippable items |
| 22:00.59 | Shadowed | hmmm |
| 22:01.15 | Shirik | the only way I can see them doing it is if they searched every server, every account, every character |
| 22:01.22 | Shirik | and look at their inventory |
| 22:01.29 | Shirik | I mean it's possible with an index and it wouldn't be too slow |
| 22:01.32 | Shirik | but it would be damn huge |
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| 22:02.05 | pastamancer | Shirik: they probably generate the item-tooltip entries when they sync characters |
| 22:02.08 | Shadowed | Why do they have to check every account/character? My understand was when the character logs in the server "caches" all of there items |
| 22:02.20 | Shadowed | understanding even |
| 22:02.30 | Shadowed | which was how it restricted you from seeing items the server hasn't seen |
| 22:02.53 | Shirik | ok then check every server's cache, which is still pretty big |
| 22:03.07 | Shirik | pastamancer: possibly |
| 22:03.15 | Shadowed | yeah |
| 22:04.25 | pastamancer | for each item equipped by character 'x', generate toolip for item if tooltip for item does not exist. |
| 22:04.39 | Shirik | held by character 'x' * |
| 22:04.55 | Shirik | since we've shown that non-equippable items appear |
| 22:05.13 | Antiarc|Work | Interesting thought here -- |
| 22:05.24 | wereHamster | bleetah, I can send you a hack to enable multisampling.. |
| 22:05.26 | Antiarc|Work | DB sites can now populate directly, rather than relying on user cache submissions |
| 22:05.37 | Antiarc|Work | It's missing some data you'd need, but you can extrapolate most of it. |
| 22:05.41 | Shadowed | I don't think Blizzard would like you doing that though :p |
| 22:05.55 | Shirik | in all honesty |
| 22:05.55 | bleetah | wereHamster: sounds intriguing.. I'll /msg you an email address (I still ain't got around to setting up DCC ;-) |
| 22:05.57 | Antiarc|Work | Honestly, 32k 1k requests isn't going to phase them. |
| 22:05.57 | Shirik | how are they going to stop you |
| 22:06.06 | Antiarc|Work | Imagine how many normal hits they're getting per day. |
| 22:06.15 | wereHamster | bleetah, can paste to paste.net, too :) |
| 22:06.31 | bleetah | pastey's good, too |
| 22:07.54 | wereHamster | how do I open window 11 in irssi? |
| 22:08.19 | pastamancer | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:08.22 | Arrowmaster | theyre using ajax so every time you mouseover an item on somebody char page on the armory its sending a request to item-tooltip.xml |
| 22:09.10 | wereHamster | pastamancer, alt+q works, too :) |
| 22:09.28 | bleetah | wereHamster: iirc, you can also 'esc q' |
| 22:09.36 | bleetah | heh |
| 22:09.49 | Antiarc|Work | http://www.thottbot.com/?sp=32345 |
| 22:09.50 | Antiarc|Work | O_O |
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| 22:10.40 | Shirik | prettyu |
| 22:10.45 | Shirik | s/u// |
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| 22:30.50 | wereHamster | god I'm so glad irssi runs in a screen session on my server.. beryl locks up so damn often its not nice anymore.. :( |
| 22:30.53 | KarlThePagan | AnduinLothar, I just saw outfitter is dying |
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| 22:31.50 | bleetah | wereHamster: guess what also hates twinview? ... beryl :'( |
| 22:32.10 | wereHamster | compiz any better? |
| 22:32.25 | bleetah | dunno, less bling.. so why would I try? ;-) |
| 22:32.44 | kergoth | so far i havent seen beryl crash at all, maybe i've just been lucky |
| 22:33.30 | Kaso | My beryl likes to slowly degrade to making all windows black |
| 22:33.52 | wereHamster | maybe it's the nvidia driver.. but the whole computer locks up hard, not even ping or sysrq works.. |
| 22:34.00 | kergoth | i love having the cube view be inside the cube instead of outside |
| 22:34.06 | Kaso | At the start its fine, then a couple appear black till you resize them, then you have to make em smaller and smaller, till they all black and you have to restartx |
| 22:34.11 | kergoth | heh, if sysrq doesnt work, its not a beryl problem :) |
| 22:34.25 | bleetah | yeah, they sound like nVidia driver issues |
| 22:34.31 | wereHamster | Kaso, it's because you're out of VRAM |
| 22:34.32 | bleetah | ie, xorg.config |
| 22:35.07 | Kaso | How can i be "out" ? its it ive never heard of vram being leaked away like that before |
| 22:35.11 | Kaso | what can i do about it? |
| 22:35.29 | kergoth | what do people have the beryl expose thingy bound to, key wise? |
| 22:35.38 | kergoth | i have it as the default f8 now, but its not convenient enough |
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| 22:36.10 | kergoth | s/views/builds/ |
| 22:36.21 | kergoth | god i cant think straight today |
| 22:36.26 | Shirik | purl_speed--; |
| 22:36.48 | Corrodias | oh THANK GOD 2.0.10 is out |
| 22:36.53 | Corrodias | it was hell not having the credits display properly |
| 22:36.56 | Shirik | oh purl's not even here |
| 22:36.57 | kergoth | lol |
| 22:37.09 | TC_Working | heh cor |
| 22:37.25 | Corrodias | having a framerate of 5 fps in the black morass because of persistent water splashes i can live with, but credits are my life |
| 22:38.11 | zenzelezz | lol |
| 22:38.38 | TC_Working | ~comfort Corrodias |
| 22:38.39 | purl | There, there, Corrodias. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 22:38.56 | Corrodias | ;( |
| 22:39.02 | kergoth | er, where in beryl's maze of options is the expose thingamajig |
| 22:39.24 | bleetah | rofl... yeah, beryl's big prob |
| 22:39.37 | bleetah | good example of giving the user too many options |
| 22:39.53 | Arrowmaster | KTM is so fucking bugged right now, i keep getting 1228 threat just for going in combat, and my rogue friend is getting 41.7k threat from going in combat |
| 22:39.57 | bleetah | afk for a few |
| 22:40.17 | zenzelezz | I tried KTM once, removed it |
| 22:40.23 | zenzelezz | never felt a need |
| 22:41.25 | Corrodias | KTM... doesn't seem to give me any information |
| 22:41.35 | Corrodias | i had it on during one party and it just showed my own threat only |
| 22:41.41 | Corrodias | maybe i need an update |
| 22:41.47 | zenzelezz | everyone needs it |
| 22:41.51 | zenzelezz | at least when I tried it |
| 22:42.12 | kergoth | bleetah: fyi, the expose dealy is called 'scale'... makes sense looking at it now, scaling windows down, but not exactly intuitive when trying to find it :P |
| 22:44.02 | Shadowed | pretty sure it's made to work in raids and not parties anyway |
| 22:44.05 | TC_Working | i never did like KTM, it seems to take much of the uncertanty out of playing when it's running |
| 22:44.18 | Shirik | agreed. |
| 22:44.26 | Shadowed | it's not needed, any DPS class can learn how to manage threat just by doing it |
| 22:44.44 | Shirik | and if you don't learn how to manage your threat, then you really don't know how to play your class. |
| 22:44.56 | TC_Working | agreed |
| 22:48.46 | sysrage | damn it's so sexy being able to see auctioneer and my bags without overlap.. <3 my new LCD |
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| 22:55.22 | leethal | sysrage: ui scale for the rescue |
| 23:07.28 | TC_Working | Want more room on screen --> Drop down UI scale --> Cant see crap becuase of small UI --> Make things larger to compensate --> Not enough room on screen..... |
| 23:08.19 | Shirik | that would be a situation analagous in programming to a "livelock" =P |
| 23:08.25 | Shirik | i.e., you're screwed |
| 23:09.09 | Shirik | maybe if it's too small, you have too much on screen? |
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| 23:17.00 | sysrage | or you need a sexy new 20" widescreen LCD like me! |
| 23:17.40 | Shirik | psh |
| 23:17.43 | Shirik | I use a 23" |
| 23:17.46 | Shirik | pathetic 20" |
| 23:17.51 | sysrage | well mine only cost $3.27 |
| 23:18.02 | Shirik | I don't have hax irl |
| 23:18.05 | sysrage | actually once i turn in rebate, they paid me $46 to 'buy' it |
| 23:18.22 | sysrage | heh. tigerdirect's website had a screwup for a few hours yesterday. i got lucky |
| 23:18.29 | Shirik | ha |
| 23:19.19 | Shirik | "A 19-year-old Saudi woman who was kidnapped, beaten and gang raped by seven men who then took photos of their victim and threatened to kill her, was sentenced under the country's Islamic-based law to 90 lashes for the "crime" of being alone with a man not related to her." |
| 23:19.25 | TC_Working | i am going to get Dual 22" widescreens |
| 23:19.27 | Shirik | from AP.. |
| 23:20.24 | zenzelezz | don't you love the "civilized world"? |
| 23:21.51 | sysrage | i wouldn't turn um down, but i can't imagine dual 22's.. i'd have to sit way back |
| 23:23.45 | TC_Working | i dunno, i am sitting infront of dual 19" right now, and it is fine |
| 23:24.17 | zenzelezz | quite a difference between 19 and 22 |
| 23:25.04 | zenzelezz | what resolution do the 22" run? |
| 23:25.43 | wereHamster | $3.27?? is that three dollars? |
| 23:26.05 | Shadowed | three dollars, 27 cents |
| 23:26.15 | wereHamster | for a 20" LCD? |
| 23:26.53 | Shadowed | sounds like it was an error on the site he bought it in |
| 23:28.46 | Shadowed | although, not sure how you could set the price to 3.72 not, 372 |
| 23:29.48 | wereHamster | still, 372 seems very cheap to me |
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| 23:30.50 | Shadowed | http://www.pricegrabber.com/search_attrib.php/page_id=37/popup1[]=160:1039/popup2[]=10:54 lot of 20" for around that |
| 23:31.05 | WobWork | dual 22"'s would be very nice |
| 23:31.15 | wereHamster | or not.. when I bought my 19" TFT, I had to pay 1300SFr.. |
| 23:31.26 | zenzelezz | "Hey John, what's the price for the 20"?" "Three seventy two" "3.72, thanks" |
| 23:31.42 | JoshBorke | ~emulate JoshBorke |
| 23:31.44 | purl | ACTION hugs Cairenn |
| 23:32.45 | JoshBorke | purl, hug Cairenn|afk |
| 23:32.53 | purl | ACTION hugs Cairenn|afk |
| 23:33.08 | zenzelezz | leave the poor girl alone |
| 23:33.27 | Shadowed | purl, stab JoshBorke |
| 23:33.29 | purl | ACTION runs at JoshBorke with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 23:33.41 | Shadowed | I would kind of hope somebody would question "Is it suppose to be 3.72 or 372" |
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| 23:34.27 | zenzelezz | Shadowed: yeah, it's unlikely but remotely possible :-p |
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| 23:34.52 | Shadowed | well it's possible considering he got one for 3.72! |
| 23:34.54 | bleetah | wereHamster: that git repo, and the patch, seem to enable AA for me, but I suspect I'm losing quite a few FPS (standing around the Sepulchur's not exactly the greatest stress test for these things ;-) |
| 23:35.48 | zenzelezz | I'm having a mind blank, where is sepulcher again? |
| 23:35.53 | bleetah | silverpine |
| 23:36.05 | zenzelezz | oh, right |
| 23:36.07 | Shadowed | Quest hub for like 12-15 |
| 23:37.13 | zenzelezz | some stupid NPC told my orc to go there, and when I finally got there (after having discovered Grom'gor) half the quests were grey exclamations... didn't go back :-p |
| 23:37.22 | wereHamster | bleetah, enabling FSAA will cost you some FPS.. |
| 23:37.43 | bleetah | wereHamster: yeah, just wasn't expecting to lose 50% of them |
| 23:37.55 | wereHamster | .. with 4x FSAA? |
| 23:38.11 | bleetah | need to play with the settings a bit more |
| 23:38.32 | wereHamster | you could also try a clean wine tree with teh FSAA patch only.. |
| 23:38.44 | TC_Working | zenzelezz, Native 1680x 1050 resolution |
| 23:39.26 | zenzelezz | TC_Working: hm, might work |
| 23:39.44 | TC_Working | what might work? |
| 23:39.54 | TC_Working | i was just responding to your question |
| 23:40.21 | TC_Working | still for $300 us it's not bad |
| 23:40.27 | bleetah | balls... Valid values for 'FSAA' are: 0, 1, 2, 5, 6, 7, 8 and 9. |
| 23:40.39 | TC_Working | $284.05* |
| 23:40.50 | TC_Working | each that is |
| 23:47.23 | zenzelezz | TC_Working: I just mean that 1680x1050 doesn't seem silly on a monitor that size |
| 23:47.42 | zenzelezz | I remember some bad resolution choices on other LCDs that totally ruined the reason for making them larger in the first place |
| 23:48.16 | TC_Working | ah, well it seems good |
| 23:48.40 | Shadowed | by the way, armory updated arena stuff |
| 23:48.42 | TC_Working | "700:1 contrast ratio, 5ms refresh time, 300cd brightness" I wish the contrast was higher but i suppose i can live with this |
| 23:54.25 | JoshBorke | i'll take mine scrambled zenzelezz |
| 23:54.33 | Esamynn | god damn I hate that bug |
| 23:54.50 | zenzelezz | ..? |
| 23:55.13 | Esamynn | for some reason when I log in some times, my nick get randomly changed |
| 23:55.34 | Esamynn | I think it's got to be a bug in my irc proxy |
| 23:55.46 | cogwheel|work | maybe an..... easter egg? |
| 23:55.47 | Esamynn | I guess the author has a bacon and eggs fettish |
| 23:57.37 | TC_Working | anyone buying tickets in the mega millions? |
| 23:58.05 | cogwheel|work | Lottery - n. - A tax on people who can't do math. |
| 23:59.04 | TC_Working | thats ok, when you finialy get your tax returns, it's a crapload |
| 23:59.56 | cogwheel|work | :( |
