| 00:04.13 | TC_Working | lol |
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| 00:08.12 | hatado | im so confused... how can i make it so that my target name apears in my frame? |
| 00:08.34 | Shirik | UnitName("target") |
| 00:08.50 | hatado | thought so.. I just don't know where put it |
| 00:09.53 | Shirik | here's a hint: You need to update it frequently |
| 00:09.58 | Shirik | every time your frame updates, specifically |
| 00:10.18 | qw` | would it be possible to make a button behave differently if you doubletapped it? |
| 00:10.21 | Shadowed | Shirik: Why can't you just use PLAYER_TARGET_CHANGED? |
| 00:10.31 | Shirik | eh you could, but I'm trying to make things easier |
| 00:10.36 | Shirik | he's just learning >< |
| 00:10.44 | Kaso | qw` secure or not secure? |
| 00:10.47 | Shirik | it would be _far_ better to use PLAYER_TARGET_CHANGED |
| 00:10.52 | Shadowed | Teaching him to use OnEvent over OnUpdate is better i'd imagine :p |
| 00:11.20 | Shirik | but then we have to get into registering events and all that stuff |
| 00:11.25 | hatado | afk dinner |
| 00:11.28 | Shadowed | Got to learn that somepoint! |
| 00:11.34 | Shadowed | pretty sure the wiki has a page on it actually |
| 00:11.36 | qw` | Kaso - uhm :P |
| 00:11.55 | Shirik | qw`: what do you want it to _do_ |
| 00:12.05 | Kaso | On a non-secure button it is trivial, just do some sort of GetTime() check to see the time since last click |
| 00:12.10 | Shirik | yup |
| 00:12.16 | Shirik | on a secure button it's not possible afaik |
| 00:12.36 | qw` | I want a doubletap to activate one button slot while a single tap activates another |
| 00:13.07 | qw` | so that four keys equals eight slots |
| 00:13.17 | Shirik | to cast a spell/change a target? |
| 00:13.42 | qw` | cast spell mostly, does it matter what is in the buttonslot? |
| 00:13.55 | Shirik | yes, because if you want to cast spells you're going to need a secure button |
| 00:14.21 | Shirik | in which case you won't be able to distinguish between a double click and a single click, namely because you can't do anything like OnClick |
| 00:14.42 | qw` | This new secure / non-secure setup really screws up us keyboard only guys |
| 00:15.26 | Shadowed | qw`: What class are you? |
| 00:15.26 | Shirik | if you're keyboard-only how are you doing double clicks >< |
| 00:15.26 | qw` | Shadowed - paladin / warrior / mage |
| 00:15.27 | Shadowed | Shirik: You hit the binding twice |
| 00:15.27 | Shirik | that's not a click :OP |
| 00:15.27 | qw` | Shirik - doubletap with a button |
| 00:15.27 | qw` | I said tap :P |
| 00:15.34 | Shirik | mm true |
| 00:15.36 | cogwheel|work | O.O it's been slashdotted... http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/03/01/232212 |
| 00:15.47 | Shadowed | qw`: Not sure how you're running out of bindings on a Warrior or Mage |
| 00:15.52 | qw` | easily |
| 00:15.54 | qw` | on the warrior |
| 00:16.17 | Shadowed | I have maybe 2-3 things I didn't bind, but i didn't want them to be anyway |
| 00:16.36 | Shirik | ... wow |
| 00:16.42 | Shirik | I didn't think it would be THAT big of an issue |
| 00:17.01 | qw` | I had zero things that wasn't bound to a key with my warrior when DAB worked |
| 00:17.25 | Shirik | I mean come on |
| 00:17.34 | Shadowed | mmm lesse |
| 00:17.36 | Shirik | arena teams want to keep their armor selection secret? |
| 00:17.40 | Shirik | give me a break |
| 00:17.45 | Cide | why not? |
| 00:17.50 | Shadowed | qwertgfdsazxcvb, 1-6, LEFt/RIGHT/F5 (mouse), ALT - 1-6 are what I have to use :( |
| 00:17.59 | Cide | sounds like a worthy reason |
| 00:17.59 | Shirik | that's just a bit overkill there |
| 00:18.09 | Cide | not really |
| 00:18.11 | Shadowed | Armor doesn't do much in arenas |
| 00:18.16 | Cide | yes it does |
| 00:18.27 | Cide | to a priest it means everything, for example |
| 00:18.28 | Shadowed | knowing the armor ahead of time doesn't mean much |
| 00:18.56 | Shadowed | I can figure out the basics about spec/gear that matter pretty quickly, and you can usually figure out what they're hp "roughly" is by looking at the gear |
| 00:19.00 | Cide | it could decide who to focus on in the beginning.. it'll mean a lot when they start doing tournaments |
| 00:19.12 | Cide | when you have scheduled matches |
| 00:19.24 | qw` | Shadowed - I only used wasd - 12345 - F1 - F2 - F3 - F4 - Q and E and was able to access 70 buttons, change stances and change weaponconfiguration |
| 00:19.25 | Shadowed | if you reach the tournament, hopefully you're good enough to work out what they're using in a few seconds |
| 00:19.27 | Shirik | ok well |
| 00:19.32 | Shirik | everyone has the same advantage |
| 00:19.37 | Shirik | so it puts nobody at a disadvantage |
| 00:19.55 | Shadowed | Hell, in the tournament you can basically assume spec |
| 00:20.03 | Shadowed | Warriors being MS, Mages being frost and so on |
| 00:20.29 | Cide | doesn't matter, it's still not details that a top-notch arena team would like to reveal.. now they're required to |
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| 00:20.58 | Cide | I don't care myself, but I can agree with their reasoning |
| 00:21.22 | qw` | Shirik - is this possible with secure / non-secure: http://home.nith.no/~flimat/qbar/QBar-proposal.htm ? |
| 00:22.14 | Shadowed | Cide: My 5vs5 team is #4 in our battlegroup. I could care less if they know our spec or gear, it's pretty obvious on what kind of gear they'll use anyway |
| 00:22.23 | Shadowed | My = Our |
| 00:22.55 | Cide | that doesn't mean that every arena team could care less |
| 00:22.58 | Shirik | I don't pretend to know SecureStateHeaders very well, but my understanding is that something like that /can/ be done |
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| 00:23.58 | Shadowed | If they care about what people know, they aren't very confident in there ability. If you really want to find out exacts you can always use something like MobHealth to figure out health and spec is obvious in a few seconds |
| 00:24.23 | Shadowed | a Rogue whos at 10k HP isn't as much of a worry since at the "top ranks" you can assume he's stacking STA/Resilience and not as much DPS |
| 00:24.43 | Shadowed | It maybe easier to get the information, but saying it wasn't available before is silly |
| 00:25.34 | Cide | there's a reason soccer teams don't announce their lineups weeks before a game too |
| 00:25.39 | Cide | I doubt it has to do with self-confidence |
| 00:26.09 | Cide | it allows the opposite team to tweak their own team to perform optimally against them - not a very wise move in my opinion |
| 00:26.35 | Cide | I'm just playing devil's advocate here - there /are/ legitimate reasons to hide one's character info |
| 00:27.03 | Cide | I personally don't care and likely won't ever care, but some people might and some people do |
| 00:27.30 | Shadowed | The top ranks are basically at around 1950-2100 rating, it's fairly hard to advance right now since point gain is pretty bad and you lose a ton if you don't win, so you aren't going to switch out from a roster of 10 people, you'll likely have 5-7 so not a huge change. |
| 00:27.47 | Shadowed | it's mostly a disadvantage to a team to switch out different classes because it changes how you play |
| 00:28.55 | Cide | 'mostly a disadvantage' assumes that you have a core lineup of 5 people and that the others are substitutes - that's not always the case |
| 00:29.21 | Shadowed | Well, if you have a roster of 7-10 people and they aren't the same classes you will have issues. |
| 00:29.36 | Cide | why? |
| 00:29.53 | Shadowed | we have 7 people in our roster that are playing. Shaman x 2, Rogue, Warrior x 2, Paladin, Mage |
| 00:30.03 | Cide | Power Trip (likely one of the top 3 arena teams) runs with 6 different classes |
| 00:30.15 | Shadowed | Shaman x 2, Rogue, Warrior, Paladin have to play in a different way from Shaman, Rogue, Warrior x2, Paladin, or Shaman, Mage, Warrior x 2, Paladin, mage. |
| 00:30.23 | Cide | of course |
| 00:30.48 | Cide | but that's why you would want to switch - to make sure that your play style is optimized against the opponent's |
| 00:31.58 | Shadowed | Right, but you don't know what line up they're going to play with anyway. |
| 00:32.29 | Shadowed | knowing who they have on the roster isn't very useful, you'll see the majority of there team in a game or two |
| 00:33.31 | Cide | in a tournament it's one game that matters |
| 00:34.13 | Cide | I really can't believe you're telling me there are no strategical differences between knowing everything about the opponents and knowing relatively little |
| 00:34.28 | Cide | because if you admit that there are strategical differences, people will care, regardless of how small they may be |
| 00:34.47 | Shadowed | No, there is a difference. But you really should be at the level where it's not going to effect you even if they know about you. |
| 00:34.56 | Shadowed | People will care regardless, they always do and they ALWAYS complain no matter what the change is |
| 00:35.02 | hatado | ok back.. I have |
| 00:35.02 | hatado | this:RegisterEvent("PLAYER_TARGET_CHANGED"); |
| 00:35.07 | Cide | and the complaints are valid as long as there is a difference |
| 00:35.16 | hatado | in my model view anyway |
| 00:35.34 | Shirik | does anyone know the default path to WoW.exe on a mac? |
| 00:36.02 | Shadowed | By that logic you're saying that Blizzard shouldn't allow you to stack classes in arenas then, since certain combos can beat almost everyone in stuff like 2vs2 |
| 00:36.19 | Shadowed | Or that everyone should have to roll X class because it's unbalanced otherwise |
| 00:36.44 | Cide | that's a fairly ridiculous argument - I don't see how thta has to do with the discussion |
| 00:36.48 | Cide | s/thta/that/ |
| 00:36.55 | Shadowed | [34:37] <+Cide> and the complaints are valid as long as there is a difference |
| 00:37.22 | Shadowed | you're saying that if theres a difference the complaint is valid, but theres already differences in pvp from class, spec, gear or skill. |
| 00:38.42 | Shadowed | i'm sure I could find out everything about the tournament teams by forum checking and just asking people, this just makes it easier |
| 00:38.47 | Cide | I'm saying that if one team can gain an advantage over another because information about one's team is publically available, then yes, I would call that unfair to some extent.. everyone is entitled to bring whatever classes they want to the actual arena |
| 00:38.54 | Mike-N-Go | Why, when I search for downloads, on the WoW I site, say if I search for "ItemRack" a big list of things coms up? |
| 00:39.07 | pastamancer | Shirik: Applications:World of Warcraft:World of Warcraft.app |
| 00:39.25 | Shadowed | Everyone can get the information, it' |
| 00:39.26 | Shirik | is... that really how mac paths look like? |
| 00:39.31 | Shadowed | it's not restricted to one group of people |
| 00:39.33 | Shirik | I'm assuming applications is a root directory? |
| 00:40.03 | pastamancer | well, if you're using an api that expects unix-style paths, it's /Applications/World of Warcraft/World of Warcraft.app |
| 00:40.23 | Cide | Shadowed: right, but say one team has 5 members and the other has 10 - the one with 10 is obviously at an advantage since the other team's class lineup is going to be well known before the battle even starts |
| 00:40.24 | Shirik | java uses os-independent paths, but yeah that's how it would expect it |
| 00:40.35 | Shirik | thanks |
| 00:40.45 | pastamancer | keep in mind that World of Warcraft.app is actually a directory |
| 00:41.02 | Shirik | thanks for pointing that out too :P |
| 00:41.09 | Shirik | there's a binary inside that? |
| 00:41.40 | Shadowed | Actually thats not true Cide, the team of 5 has played together far more and should work together and can adapt faster then the team that needs to switch people out to gain an advantage. |
| 00:42.02 | Shadowed | I'd be suprised if a team with a roster of 10 made it to the tournament, most of them have 5-7 people |
| 00:42.03 | pastamancer | yeah, but if you want to launch wow, it's best to just run "opwn /path/to/World of Warcraft.app" |
| 00:42.12 | pastamancer | a/opwn/open/ |
| 00:42.16 | pastamancer | bah |
| 00:42.44 | Cide | Shadowed: that assumes that the group of 10 don't play together as much |
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| 00:42.50 | Shirik | not trying to launch WoW, just really trying to find something consistent that will help me identify where the interface folder is |
| 00:43.03 | Cide | assume instead that there are two groups of 5 in that 10-team that only play with each other |
| 00:43.25 | Cide | they play together just as much as the single 5-team, but the arena team of 10 can pick the one that matches the group of 5's class lineup better |
| 00:43.28 | Shirik | and I keep writing "self" instead of "this" >.> |
| 00:43.31 | pastamancer | the interface folder would be /Applications/World of Warcraft/Interface by default |
| 00:43.34 | Shirik | curse lua |
| 00:43.46 | Shadowed | Then they're still playing half as many games as the roster of 5 players who are going to have more experience |
| 00:43.52 | Shirik | ok so not /Applications/World of Warcraft/World of Warcraft.app/Interface |
| 00:44.01 | Cide | Shadowed: what makes you think that? |
| 00:44.04 | pastamancer | correct |
| 00:44.06 | Cide | you don't have to play rated games to play together |
| 00:44.11 | Shirik | macs are so messed up >< |
| 00:44.13 | Shirik | ok thanks |
| 00:44.41 | Shadowed | Because non-rated games are usually pugs, i haven't seen that many groups in them |
| 00:45.00 | Cide | ... that doesn't mean that there are no teams |
| 00:45.40 | Cide | what if there were two arena teams that merged just before the match? you can't argue that they can't have the same amount of experience in that case |
| 00:45.43 | Shadowed | no, but you're still not going to be playing as many teams as the 5 roster group is. |
| 00:45.55 | Cide | see my previous statement |
| 00:46.03 | Shadowed | even if you're playing non-rated |
| 00:47.05 | Mike-N-Go | Uoo "Fatal error: Call to undefined function: getnewuser() in /home/wowinter/public_html/downloads/classes/search/Core_Search.php on line 69" on http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/search.php?action=showresults&searchid=146246&sortby=filename&sortorder=asc |
| 00:47.23 | Shadowed | And yes two teams that merge will not have the same experience |
| 00:47.43 | Shadowed | theres a big difference between playing 50 games with 5 people you know then playing a game with 4 other people you've never played with. |
| 00:48.03 | Cide | what? |
| 00:48.19 | Shadowed | Reliance |
| 00:48.26 | Cide | team A has 5 members, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 - team B has 5 members, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 |
| 00:48.39 | Cide | team A and B merge to form AB, with the 10 members 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 |
| 00:49.20 | Cide | they now fight team FOO, with only 5 members. their group lineup is obviously known. team AB can, however, play with either 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, depending on which lineup is more beneficial against FOO |
| 00:49.48 | Cide | team A has played 50 games together, team B has played 50 games together, and team FOO has played 50 games together |
| 00:50.43 | Shadowed | First, if a group went that far to try and win they're pathetic anyway |
| 00:50.56 | Shadowed | you also assume that they're going to consider the 5vs5 team to be the roster when announcing names/prizes |
| 00:51.00 | Cide | it doesn't have to do with going that far |
| 00:51.20 | Iriel | Cide: I take it what you're getting at is that A may slaughter magic users, and B may slaughter meleers, and AB can therefore slaughter both, because they get to know what they're going to face and pick the right half |
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| 00:51.30 | Cide | Iriel: for example, yes |
| 00:52.11 | Shadowed | You're assuming that they aren't going to have ego/drama issues with one team getting to play in the tournament while the other has to sit out, it's just unrealistic to assume a case like that |
| 00:52.53 | Iriel | Shadowed: For a team of 10 people to work effectively you HAVE to assume they've gotten over themselves |
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| 00:53.33 | Shadowed | Not really |
| 00:54.08 | Shadowed | They're still effectively two different groups, just under one team name. It's not like people consider everything when they realise that they may not get the prize even if there team wins |
| 00:55.36 | Iriel | And yet amateur and professional sports teams seem to manage this with ease all over the planet |
| 00:56.04 | Iriel | Not everyone is an over testosteroned high school student who correlates online game performance with penis size |
| 00:56.38 | Iriel | The kinds of people who can maximally benefit from Cide's scenario are exactly those who'd put the 'team' ahead of their individual roles |
| 00:56.40 | Shadowed | i'm fairly sure most of the people in our battlegroup are actually |
| 00:57.03 | Iriel | I have a similar opinion about the L70's who gank near Tarren mill, but that's not really the point 8-) |
| 00:57.43 | Shadowed | this just makes it easier in the end, but nothing is stopping you from checking battlegroup forums, inspecting, asking people they've beatten. |
| 00:57.55 | Nom- | ROFL |
| 00:57.57 | Nom- | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fH2JX32l9Uo |
| 00:58.01 | Nom- | That guy must be bored |
| 00:58.55 | Shirik | the fact that he can do those sound effects |
| 00:58.57 | Shirik | is just insane |
| 01:04.10 | hatado | hrm. I still cant figure out where to put UnitName("target") lol |
| 01:04.30 | Iriel | Anyone here played Supreme Commander? |
| 01:07.24 | Shirik | yup |
| 01:07.30 | Shirik | back in beta; dunno if it's still in beta |
| 01:07.41 | Shirik | also didn't play that much |
| 01:08.06 | Iriel | It's released now |
| 01:08.07 | Shirik | impressive! Microsoft Windows Firewall blocked my application from running.... it doesn't even access the internet |
| 01:08.09 | Shirik | nice |
| 01:08.14 | Shirik | it seemed pretty good |
| 01:08.29 | TC_Working | and it's a huge system hod |
| 01:08.32 | Shirik | yeah |
| 01:08.38 | Shirik | was about to say that >< |
| 01:08.38 | TC_Working | s/hod/hog/ |
| 01:08.43 | Iriel | Well, if you dont turn down your settings it is 8-) |
| 01:08.59 | Iriel | Did you try it with 2 monitors at all? |
| 01:09.08 | Shirik | heh no |
| 01:09.12 | Iriel | I only have one hooked up to my windows PC so I'm not in a position to do so |
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| 01:11.59 | hatado | I feel like such a noob :P I have searched wowwiki but I can't find out how to display a targets name using UnitName("target") sorry |
| 01:12.36 | Mike-N-Go | I have way to many folders in the AddOn folder.. 171.. |
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| 01:25.03 | Shirik | any mac/linux WoW users out there that want to be a guinea pig? |
| 01:26.59 | bleetah | <<WoW Winer |
| 01:27.09 | Shirik | egh |
| 01:27.22 | Shirik | that would mean your WoW's in a non-default path |
| 01:27.29 | Shirik | well want to try it and see what happens? ^^; |
| 01:27.40 | Shirik | it _should_ ask you where your WoW binary is |
| 01:27.53 | bleetah | as far as wine sees, it's in... C:\Program Files\World of Warcraft |
| 01:28.05 | bleetah | afaik |
| 01:28.08 | Shirik | well it would depend on how you run the program |
| 01:28.10 | bleetah | try what? |
| 01:28.14 | Shirik | from within wow or not |
| 01:28.19 | Shirik | the beginnings of the WoWI updater |
| 01:29.00 | Shirik | it's able to isolate the Interface directory on the Windows platform, and I /think/ it works on Mac/Linux but I haven't gotten the ability to test it |
| 01:29.15 | Guillotine | I just realized... where is Tourach? I miss him :( My favorite forum troll ever |
| 01:30.33 | Nom- | Shirik: You got stuff happening, did you? |
| 01:30.42 | Guillotine | wait, not Tourach. Shoryuu. Wrong name >.> |
| 01:30.44 | Shirik | yeh |
| 01:30.51 | Nom- | Nice |
| 01:31.00 | Nom- | mmm Coffee |
| 01:31.01 | Shirik | I spent much of class today just structuring it; figuring out how it figures out what an "addon" is, etc. |
| 01:31.20 | Shirik | end result is the creation of the Addon and AddonUpdateProcess classes |
| 01:31.27 | bleetah | you know, it's pretty hard to test something if I'm not given the thing to test ;) |
| 01:31.37 | Shirik | you never said you wanted to test it >< |
| 01:32.34 | Shirik | I don't force these things down peoples' throats of course; I realize some are concerned with security and all that good stuff |
| 01:33.26 | Nom- | ROFL |
| 01:33.39 | Nom- | A week after Liberal candidate Brenton Pavier was dumped over a text message about sex with a goat, The Daily Telegraph can reveal police are investigating what happened to Mr Pringle's roadside billboard. |
| 01:33.44 | Nom- | The electronic flashing message "Vote.1 Steven Pringle" was hacked into on Monday night and reprogrammed to read "Steven Pringle can suck my dingle ... ha, ha, ha." |
| 01:33.52 | Nom- | The Canadian manufacturers claimed it was protected by five encrypted passwords and could only have been infiltrated by a hacker. |
| 01:33.55 | Nom- | LOL |
| 01:34.06 | Nom- | Except the stupid company probably has the password printed on the box somewhere |
| 01:34.12 | bleetah | Shirik: when yer ready |
| 01:34.16 | Nom- | So it'd only require someone with eyes and fingers |
| 01:34.21 | bleetah | although i'm gunna go afk in about 5/10 mins |
| 01:34.23 | Shirik | ctcp send ok? |
| 01:34.33 | bleetah | prolly not |
| 01:34.42 | Shirik | how you want me to get it to you then ^^; |
| 01:35.34 | bleetah | s'up to you, your the one wanting people to test it :-P |
| 01:36.09 | Shirik | hrm ok |
| 01:36.41 | bleetah | by 'prolly not', I mean 'you could try, but I wouldn't be suprised if it failed' |
| 01:37.12 | Shirik | http://www.guardianhq.com/personal/skullshot/wowiupdater.zip - source is included, etc., you probably want what's in the "dist" folder |
| 01:37.29 | Iriel | I just realized that Surpreme Commander comes on 2 DVD's |
| 01:37.50 | Shirik | in theory, it should pop up a window saying "Please select your WoW directory" and then write a configuration file config.wid |
| 01:38.05 | Shirik | config.wic * |
| 01:38.53 | Shirik | after that it'll sit around forever with an indeterminate progress bar as it "claims" it's searching through your addons |
| 01:38.54 | Shirik | which it's not :P |
| 01:38.57 | Shirik | yet |
| 01:39.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | aaaaaaah |
| 01:39.10 | Iriel | Scratch that, one of them's just supporting content |
| 01:39.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | i just got all giddy |
| 01:39.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | i learned that mike nelson of mystery science theater 3000 is now a member of a forum i go to :O |
| 01:40.20 | bleetah | Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: wowiupdater.Main at gnu.java.lang.MainThread.run(libgcj.so.7rh) |
| 01:40.25 | bleetah | Caused by: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: wowiupdater.Main not found in gnu.gcj.runtime.SystemClassLoader{urls=[file:WowIUpdater.jar], parent=gnu.gcj.runtime.ExtensionClassLoader{urls=[], parent=null}} |
| 01:40.31 | bleetah | by following your README |
| 01:40.35 | Shirik | what readme? |
| 01:40.48 | bleetah | README.TXT in your dist folder |
| 01:40.53 | Shirik | I have one? |
| 01:40.58 | Shirik | oh wow I do |
| 01:41.00 | Shirik | awesome |
| 01:41.52 | bleetah | I did mention yesterday having to support 3 JVMs ;) |
| 01:42.02 | bleetah | make that 4, now :) |
| 01:42.09 | Iriel | I assumed all of them worked. |
| 01:42.18 | Iriel | Perhaps i'm being mean to gcj, but it's caused me nothing but pain |
| 01:42.38 | bleetah | given that it's still in development, and no formal release yet, I'd say you're being harsh |
| 01:42.41 | Iriel | Though in fairness the pain was its toolset, not its JVM |
| 01:42.47 | Shirik | I know I've seen this error before |
| 01:42.54 | Shirik | and it's a stupidity in the way netbeans does something |
| 01:43.27 | Iriel | I bet unzip -l WowIUpdater.jar shows that you dont match |
| 01:43.49 | Shirik | I have package wowiupdater; |
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| 01:44.00 | bleetah | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:44.02 | Iriel | Yes, but what did you and netbeans call that directory in the zip |
| 01:44.04 | Iriel | See |
| 01:44.07 | Iriel | you silly windows people |
| 01:44.09 | Shirik | >.> |
| 01:44.15 | bleetah | Iriel++ |
| 01:44.23 | Shirik | netbeans did the packaging itself for the record |
| 01:44.36 | Shirik | yay for "refactor" |
| 01:44.41 | Iriel | Is your source directory wowiupdater or WoWIUpdater ? |
| 01:44.42 | Shirik | with one click I can fix all the files |
| 01:44.45 | Shirik | WoWIUpdater |
| 01:44.51 | Iriel | Then you're the bad one |
| 01:44.58 | Shirik | :( |
| 01:45.04 | Shirik | should it all be lowercase? |
| 01:45.36 | Iriel | It should match the package |
| 01:45.36 | Shirik | but there's nothing wrong with having a capitalized package |
| 01:45.36 | Iriel | sadly microsoft dont consider case important so you can get away with all manner of crap |
| 01:45.37 | Iriel | Nothing WRONG with it, though it's not "convention" |
| 01:45.51 | Iriel | I've been known to do it but my dev team gripes about it now so I stopped. |
| 01:46.02 | bleetah | Shirik: in *theory*, you could install VMWare eval, install a Linux distro, copy over a WoW install (as eval VMWare doesn't have accel gfx, iirc the WoW installer barfs), and try it locally ;) |
| 01:46.27 | bleetah | no idea whta the development status of PearPC is, from memory it kinda died.. but if you found something like it for mac... etc. etc. |
| 01:48.03 | bleetah | gtg, ttfn |
| 01:48.12 | Shirik | take care |
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| 01:54.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | hrm |
| 01:55.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | windfury's getting bugfixed/nerfed |
| 01:55.55 | Nom- | What's wrong with Windfury ? |
| 01:55.55 | Shirik | much better Iriel thank you |
| 01:55.55 | Shirik | though I had to do some serious slapping of netbeans to convince it to let me change my project name |
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| 01:56.50 | Iriel | Can't you just destroy and re-create the project? |
| 01:56.54 | Iriel | Or is that too much work? |
| 01:56.57 | Shirik | I tried |
| 01:57.00 | Shirik | and it got mad at my forms |
| 01:57.01 | Iriel | Ah |
| 01:57.04 | Shirik | somethinga round 150 errors |
| 01:57.19 | Iriel | Ooh, PAGE_FAULT_IN_NONPAGED_AREA from nv4_disp.dll |
| 01:57.24 | Iriel | I shouldn't be surprised should I |
| 01:57.27 | Shirik | like I haven't seen that before... |
| 01:59.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | <Nom-> What's wrong with Windfury ? |
| 01:59.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | well, there's a 3 second timer on procs |
| 01:59.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | even if you're dual wielding |
| 02:00.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | people were staggering ranks of it to circumvent this cooldown |
| 02:00.04 | WobWork | =( |
| 02:00.10 | WobWork | oh that's why |
| 02:00.14 | Shirik | oh |
| 02:00.15 | Shirik | interesting |
| 02:00.21 | WobWork | Does it still work that way? |
| 02:00.23 | Nom- | lol |
| 02:00.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | and they're just removing the ability to stagger them |
| 02:00.25 | WobWork | (the staggering) |
| 02:00.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | for now wobin |
| 02:00.27 | WobWork | alas |
| 02:00.37 | Nom- | All I know is Reckoning + Windfury = OMGPWNED |
| 02:00.54 | WobWork | I wonder if the cooldown resets if you recast the buff |
| 02:01.15 | WobWork | although the one second gcd would mitigate that saving =P |
| 02:01.24 | Nom- | omg Karazhan is a 10-man raid? |
| 02:01.27 | Nom- | I had no idea :/ |
| 02:01.28 | Shirik | yeah |
| 02:01.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't think it's prudent to spam your windfury button in melee gear |
| 02:01.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | kara is ubrs of tbc |
| 02:01.41 | Nom- | lol SRSLY ? |
| 02:01.49 | Nom- | At least it's more fun than UBRS :P |
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| 02:01.59 | Shirik | ubrs was fun back in the day |
| 02:02.00 | Nom- | At least, i'm lead to beleive it is :P |
| 02:02.01 | Shirik | when people couldn't do it |
| 02:02.15 | Shirik | in the days of leeroy and the like |
| 02:02.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | i remember running that place in 50 minutes when people couldn't clear it in pugs |
| 02:02.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | getting everyone ony attuned |
| 02:02.51 | Nom- | lol my first ever run through UBRS we wiped 6 times on the summoned tier .5 boss |
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| 02:02.57 | Nom- | That was a real PITA |
| 02:03.15 | Nom- | The next run I went with my guild, and we only lost our hunter on Drak...that was the only death |
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| 02:03.22 | Shirik | qq |
| 02:03.25 | Shirik | it's always teh hunter that dies |
| 02:03.29 | Shirik | nobody cares about him, huh?! |
| 02:03.36 | Nom- | Well |
| 02:03.37 | Shirik | we risk our life, distracting drak miles away |
| 02:03.39 | Nom- | Hunter kite drak |
| 02:03.39 | Shirik | and for what |
| 02:03.54 | Nom- | Hunter miles out of range of any kinda of heals |
| 02:03.56 | Shirik | so we can die?! is that all we are good for?! |
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| 02:04.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | heh |
| 02:04.36 | Nom- | Yes, Shirik. That's your purpose. Save the clothies |
| 02:04.36 | Shirik | it's mostly true :/ |
| 02:04.36 | Shirik | hunter is the last person to ever get heals |
| 02:04.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | i kited drak all the way to rend's room once :[ |
| 02:04.38 | WobWork | hunter? |
| 02:04.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | shoulda stuck around and dpsed |
| 02:04.42 | WobWork | Shouldn't be getting hit at all =P |
| 02:04.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | lowbies |
| 02:04.52 | Shirik | I do too much damage |
| 02:04.54 | WobWork | If you're getting hit, you're doing it wrong =P |
| 02:04.55 | Shirik | misdirection helps now though |
| 02:05.01 | WobWork | That's what FD is for =) |
| 02:05.06 | Shirik | fd is a crutch |
| 02:05.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | when you're kiting him he can conflag you at amazing range in a couple spots |
| 02:05.27 | WobWork | fd is only a crutch if you can't manage your aggro normally =P |
| 02:05.35 | Shirik | heh actually I'm just giving you crap |
| 02:05.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's what it's for :p |
| 02:05.38 | WobWork | if you still get aggrod, you're doing it wrong =P |
| 02:05.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | except when it bugs |
| 02:05.56 | Shirik | it's not hard to control aggro; I do it fine; and I don't use KTH or whatever it's called |
| 02:06.00 | Shirik | _THAT'S_ a crutch. |
| 02:06.04 | WobWork | That's true |
| 02:06.20 | Nom- | So anyone started raiding beyond Mag ? |
| 02:10.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | the only time KTH is helpful is razorgore really |
| 02:10.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | er KTM |
| 02:10.09 | Nom- | OMG CoT is the missing blacket of dungeons I couldn't find lol |
| 02:10.44 | Shirik | not vael? |
| 02:10.49 | Shirik | I thought it might be useful there |
| 02:10.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | it helps |
| 02:11.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | but eh |
| 02:11.06 | Shirik | though we never used it, and never had a problem |
| 02:11.10 | Shirik | well |
| 02:11.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | razorgore it's nice for the healers |
| 02:11.15 | Shirik | the first time we went up against vael |
| 02:11.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | so you know when to step down and stop healing |
| 02:11.25 | Shirik | we wiped in no longer than 5 seconds |
| 02:11.29 | Shirik | but yeah.. |
| 02:11.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | we wiped on vael for 6 hours straight once |
| 02:11.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | good times |
| 02:11.45 | Shirik | I remember my raid leader |
| 02:11.48 | Shirik | exactly what he said |
| 02:11.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | that was a lot of money down the drain |
| 02:11.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | our raid leader was drunk off his ass |
| 02:12.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | he was our mt too |
| 02:12.16 | Shirik | "Welcome to Vaelastrasz. This is the #1 cock block in BWL. Done correctly, he can be easy. Done incorrectly, he can wipe a raid group in seconds." |
| 02:12.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | so youd just see him run in and charge vael |
| 02:12.23 | Shirik | And I said to myself "Yeah right, seconds." |
| 02:12.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | rofl |
| 02:12.35 | Shirik | sure enough, when we started... 5 seconds later my entire RDX window was flashing red. |
| 02:12.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | i thought razorgore was a big cockblock |
| 02:12.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | because it's just so different from all of MC |
| 02:13.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | then again, i did razorgore the night bwl opened, so eh :x |
| 02:13.36 | Shirik | want me to make you feel bad? |
| 02:13.45 | Shirik | first time my raid group did razor... we one shot him |
| 02:13.56 | Shirik | this was the same day of the 5 second vael wipe of course |
| 02:14.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | well, this was before anyone knew wtf to expect |
| 02:14.07 | Shirik | true |
| 02:14.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm pretty sure there wasn't a ptr at the time |
| 02:14.15 | Shirik | probably not |
| 02:14.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | so no one had any strats at all |
| 02:14.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | we wiped on him for a good |
| 02:14.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | 3 full repairs or so |
| 02:15.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | then called it a night and oneshotted him the next day |
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| 02:17.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm concerned as to what blizzard's gonna do to keep casuals interested in bc though |
| 02:17.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm almost done with all the quests for every zone, i've only got netherstorm left |
| 02:17.49 | Iriel | I'm not sure you count as 'casual' |
| 02:18.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | well i'm unguilded :x |
| 02:18.04 | thr | Hey guys 'n gals, you know the red text in the top middle of the UI/screen that says "Not enough mana" "You're to far away" etc. Is there any addon that removes it? I could write my own addon, but I can't find what the frame used to display the text is called? Anyone? :) |
| 02:18.05 | Shirik | if you're in this channel, you don't count as casual |
| 02:18.12 | Shirik | thr: UIErrorsFrame |
| 02:18.18 | thr | lovely, thanks :) |
| 02:18.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | he means the uh |
| 02:18.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | okay you're probably right |
| 02:18.30 | thr | so just UIErrorsFrame:Hide() ? |
| 02:18.36 | Shirik | that would do what you're looking for |
| 02:18.50 | thr | Thanks, was some months ago since I did any addon work - cheers :) |
| 02:18.50 | cladhaire | Shirik: What authors should be credited on Rdx.Cid |
| 02:19.05 | Shirik | That depends on how you define RDX.Cid |
| 02:19.13 | Shirik | Cidan and I work together on it, but it's based off Veni's project |
| 02:20.15 | cladhaire | Addon created by Venificus, currently developed by Shirik and Cidan? |
| 02:20.27 | cladhaire | I know the history, just trying to do the credit line for teh addon |
| 02:20.27 | Shirik | see... that's not entirely true anymore |
| 02:20.37 | Shirik | we've... almost written all of it now |
| 02:20.41 | cladhaire | okay |
| 02:20.55 | Shirik | The only thing that's sitll in-tact of his is VFL, which is the library it uses |
| 02:20.59 | cladhaire | Addon created by Shirik and Cidan, based off original code by Venificus? |
| 02:21.09 | Shirik | that's good |
| 02:21.43 | Shirik | with the 2.0 changes and then us completely getting rid of the way framepools are handled (leaving static framepools and making dynamic ones)... it's pretty much completely changed |
| 02:21.53 | cladhaire | aye |
| 02:21.53 | Shirik | the only thing we agreed not to touch is VFL; we just made a little "extension" file in rdx |
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| 02:22.11 | cladhaire | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:22.22 | cladhaire | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:22.26 | cladhaire | I can't wait until they get to the |
| 02:22.44 | cladhaire | 1. Do this 2. Do that 3. ???? 4. Profit!!! |
| 02:23.05 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 02:23.35 | Shirik | heh |
| 02:24.45 | cladhaire | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:24.52 | cladhaire | tracking down the ace author who are lazy SUCKS |
| 02:24.59 | cladhaire | since we're not posting links to the ace wiki or anything like that, intentionally |
| 02:25.11 | Iriel | I thought EVERYTHING ace was better? |
| 02:25.22 | WobWork | >> |
| 02:25.23 | cladhaire | so if they don't have an addon updated on one of the three mod websites, or available at a third party site, I can't list it =) |
| 02:25.24 | WobWork | << |
| 02:25.30 | Shirik | Iriel you did not just say that |
| 02:25.32 | cladhaire | Iriel didn't update one of his too =) |
| 02:25.35 | WobWork | hah =P |
| 02:25.46 | Iriel | I did, I just missed it when I was posting |
| 02:25.51 | Iriel | 8-) |
| 02:25.53 | cladhaire | l-) |
| 02:26.01 | cladhaire | Actually, when i grabbed it the.toc was still 11200 |
| 02:26.10 | WobWork | thr: try errormonster |
| 02:26.16 | Iriel | I didn'tknow people used it to be honest clad. |
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| 02:26.29 | cladhaire | well, it'll be in the book quite soon ;-) |
| 02:26.32 | cladhaire | I recommended it as a warrior addon |
| 02:26.37 | cladhaire | based on recommendations |
| 02:26.50 | Iriel | The pressure will kill me, no doubt when the enhancement requests start rolling in.... |
| 02:26.56 | Iriel | "Can you make it use a different color" |
| 02:27.00 | cladhaire | hehe |
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| 02:27.07 | WobWork | "Got any blacker?" |
| 02:27.25 | JoshBorke | what mod is this? |
| 02:28.45 | Iriel | Mine? Watchcombat |
| 02:29.53 | JoshBorke | ah, cool |
| 02:32.49 | Shadowed | cladhaire: Got a second? |
| 02:32.54 | cladhaire | i might =-) |
| 02:33.36 | Shadowed | Two questions, would you say Dongle is stable enough to roll it out on a longer mod. And if it had like a plugins folder, would I need to use the same New() line for each of those if i wanted them to get events? |
| 02:33.47 | Shadowed | Thinking of recoding SSPVP since I want to clean it up |
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| 02:34.10 | cladhaire | well, the first question is, I use it in Clique and PerfectRaid.. and i dont break compatability between major versions whatsoever |
| 02:34.16 | cladhaire | and we're approaching Release 1.0 |
| 02:34.23 | cladhaire | I dont understand the second question |
| 02:35.08 | Shadowed | It's a PvP mod so I plan on having something like Interface/AddOns/SSPVP/plugins/AB.lua, the AB.lua file needs to get events. I assume I need to add the Dongle:New() stuff to that file also? |
| 02:35.24 | cladhaire | you can use dongle modules |
| 02:35.37 | cladhaire | but thats really just the same as Dongle:New() |
| 02:35.44 | cladhaire | look at PerfectRaid's extra files |
| 02:35.50 | cladhaire | to see how modules work, basically |
| 02:36.14 | WobWork | PS, good work on Dongle =) |
| 02:36.29 | WobWork | Very svelte |
| 02:36.39 | cladhaire | thanks, the latest changes are hot =) |
| 02:36.45 | cladhaire | the database is even secksier. |
| 02:38.16 | Shadowed | cladhaire: Perfect, just what I wanted |
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| 02:43.49 | Shirik | that's impressive... |
| 02:44.02 | cladhaire | what is? |
| 02:44.24 | Shirik | internet justrandomly cuts out, I spend 20 minutes on hold with Brighthouse and get to someone "Oh I'm not showing any problems in your area so let me forward you to a repair technican who can help you" |
| 02:44.35 | Shirik | While I'm on hold being transferred... it comes back |
| 02:44.39 | cladhaire | heh |
| 02:44.55 | Shirik | w/e... I guess I have to deal with them |
| 02:44.59 | Shirik | _hate_ brighthouse |
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| 02:48.04 | Shirik | http://www.wowinterface.com/index.php?section=comic hehehe |
| 02:52.26 | WobWork | can we get soulboundedness atm without scanning the tooltip? |
| 02:52.36 | Shirik | not as far as I'm aware |
| 02:52.46 | Shirik | the question came up a while ago and the agreed-upon answer was to parse the tooltip |
| 02:53.05 | JoshBorke | someone really should make a generic tooltip parsing mod |
| 02:53.34 | Cairenn | Shirik: heh, we have loved that comic and used it on every one of our sites ever since Woody made it for us |
| 02:53.59 | Shirik | I have a really bad habit of not reading anything but the main content, so I don't know how long it's been up there but I just saw it >< |
| 02:54.06 | Cairenn | :) |
| 02:54.12 | Cairenn | as long as the site has been around |
| 02:54.17 | Shirik | ha |
| 02:54.25 | Shirik | well, that shows you how much I tune stuff out >< |
| 02:54.25 | Cairenn | he made that for us waaay back in the day when EQI was our only site |
| 02:55.31 | WobWork | JoshBorke: Gratuity |
| 02:55.55 | JoshBorke | sorry, don't want to install 20 other ace mods to get the said library =P |
| 02:57.55 | cladhaire | JoshBorke: There's a mini-grat in DongleUtils |
| 02:58.01 | cladhaire | you can just grab that file and it would work |
| 02:58.02 | WobWork | Aye, that too |
| 02:58.13 | WobWork | PS: Josh, it's a library =P |
| 02:58.22 | cladhaire | http://dongle.googlecode.com/svn/tags/Dongle-Beta0-r240/DongleUtils.lua |
| 02:58.46 | cladhaire | or you can just copy and paste the code =) |
| 02:58.46 | cladhaire | hehe |
| 02:59.43 | WobWork | PS can we please cut down a bit on the acerbity towards Ace? At least in response to my suggestions. I'm not particularly a rabid frothing pundit, but the mods do have their place at times. |
| 03:00.04 | cladhaire | me? |
| 03:00.08 | cladhaire | i didn't say anyfin |
| 03:00.09 | WobWork | no =P |
| 03:00.20 | cladhaire | lol ok |
| 03:01.13 | WobWork | Just the simple dismissal of suggestions purely because they -may- be an ace library |
| 03:01.23 | WobWork | (Which in this case, is totally incorrect =P) |
| 03:01.55 | WobWork | (see: Dongle and minigratuty) |
| 03:02.36 | Nom- | bah, there's nothing wrong with Ace |
| 03:02.44 | Nom- | What do you people have against Ace ffs |
| 03:02.58 | WobWork | The only thing 'wrong' with Ace is the rabid fanboys who say 'Ace solves everything' |
| 03:03.06 | WobWork | which it doesn't |
| 03:03.17 | WobWork | and the 'Ace makes everything better' |
| 03:03.23 | WobWork | Which it doesn't |
| 03:04.19 | WobWork | The philosophy has changed from making efficient readable (except Rowne) code to making Ace mods |
| 03:04.19 | Nom- | pftt |
| 03:04.32 | WobWork | Ace ~= Efficient |
| 03:04.34 | Nom- | It just makes many things easier |
| 03:04.39 | Nom- | Which is the point of a library |
| 03:04.40 | WobWork | Oh no doubt |
| 03:05.01 | WobWork | It doesn't make it any better coded, however |
| 03:05.09 | Nom- | I mean....you can write a windows 3D game without using DirectX...it just makes things easier |
| 03:05.17 | cladhaire | yes, but that's not right for everything |
| 03:05.28 | cladhaire | i'm not getting into this discussion, beacuse I have no issues with Ace |
| 03:05.35 | Nom- | Or, you can write a SOAP server without using a SOAP library, but it makes things a lot easier :P |
| 03:05.37 | cladhaire | but it doesn't make EVERYTHING easier, and doesn't solve all problems, that's really the point |
| 03:05.55 | cladhaire | There's a reason I wrote Dongle, and I'm fine with both existing, they both serve different needs. |
| 03:06.51 | WobWork | The problems most people have with Ace nowadays is more the somewhat ignorant assumption that an Ace mod is better than a non-Ace mod. |
| 03:07.18 | Nom- | The main reason i'm a fan of Ace mods at the moment is because they're so easy to get |
| 03:07.25 | Nom- | WowAceUpdater ftw |
| 03:07.35 | Nom- | Everything i've seen that does more than one site just plain sucks :( |
| 03:08.03 | WobWork | Yeah, well I was speaking more from the developer point of view |
| 03:08.11 | Cairenn | (the conversation is fine, I'm not saying to stop it, this is just reminder - keep it as civil as it currently is) |
| 03:08.48 | cladhaire | Nom-: That has 0% to do with Ace, and is the basis for many of the problems |
| 03:08.53 | WobWork | Cairenn: =P |
| 03:09.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | seeing comments like "its okay, but can u rewrite this in ace plz" on various peoples' addons on wowi makes me chuckle a little still |
| 03:09.22 | Nom- | Looks like we're having Korean for lunch |
| 03:09.23 | WobWork | yeah, that's the problem |
| 03:09.29 | Shirik | Nom- |
| 03:09.40 | WobWork | The mod itself may be just perfect without the need for 'Aceifying' it |
| 03:09.43 | Shirik | screw WowAceUpdater - use WoWIUpdater! |
| 03:09.50 | Nom- | Shirik: I intend to |
| 03:10.06 | WobWork | it's just peoples misconception that 'aceing' it will make it 'better' |
| 03:10.10 | Nom- | That's the biggest problem with WOWI right now, is that it's a pain in the arse to maintain your addons |
| 03:10.10 | Shirik | It is |
| 03:10.19 | Nom- | Once the updater is out it'll be so much easier |
| 03:10.23 | Shirik | and I really can't stand it; And to be quite honest, I can't stand Ace in general. |
| 03:10.33 | WobWork | Shirik: In general? |
| 03:10.44 | Shirik | I find that... well |
| 03:10.48 | WobWork | Any reason more specific? =) |
| 03:10.50 | Shirik | let me put it this way |
| 03:11.01 | Shirik | most of the BAD addons out there... are written in ace |
| 03:11.16 | WobWork | And quite a lot of the BAD addons... aren't. |
| 03:11.29 | Shirik | Ace makes programmers lazy, in my opinion |
| 03:11.35 | Shirik | but I could argue this for years and not change a single mind |
| 03:11.37 | WobWork | ~laziness |
| 03:11.39 | purl | LAZINESS: The quality that makes you go to great effort to reduce overall energy expenditure. It makes you write labor-saving programs that other people will find useful, and document what you wrote so you don't have to answer so many questions about it. Hence, the first great virtue of a programmer. |
| 03:11.56 | WobWork | I think the main problem is... |
| 03:12.02 | WobWork | We've stopped the beatings |
| 03:12.08 | Shirik | beatings? |
| 03:12.16 | WobWork | We used to berate Ace addon writers to write better code |
| 03:12.17 | JoshBorke | there are SO many Ace mods now |
| 03:12.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | "Awesome, this is what I am looking for. Now if I could just make one request. Ace it and have it hosted on Ace Wiki." |
| 03:12.37 | Shirik | yeah I can't stand that >.> |
| 03:12.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | they make me chuckle still :p |
| 03:12.41 | Shirik | Why would ace make it better? |
| 03:12.44 | Shirik | Some people actually thing |
| 03:12.51 | Shirik | if you take the code for an addon, toss in the Ace library |
| 03:12.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | it was a 6 kilobyte mod |
| 03:12.54 | Shirik | it somehow becomes more efficient |
| 03:13.02 | Shirik | it doesn't work like that |
| 03:13.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | the only thing that takes up space is the textures |
| 03:13.19 | Shirik | but |
| 03:13.30 | Shirik | if you have an addon that is completley non-ace... putting the ace library in there ain't gonna do anything |
| 03:13.33 | Shirik | but make your zip bigger |
| 03:13.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=6887&so=&page=1 |
| 03:13.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | is an example |
| 03:14.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | there's a mini ace rant on there too |
| 03:14.21 | cladhaire | hehe |
| 03:14.24 | cladhaire | they're everywhere |
| 03:14.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | i honestly don't care what you use as long as it works |
| 03:14.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | i use a huge amount of ace mods and cosmos |
| 03:14.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | they haven't started fighting yet |
| 03:14.52 | cladhaire | then you're doing somethign wrong. |
| 03:14.58 | cladhaire | CTDongleAceMos don't play well together |
| 03:14.59 | Cide | the thing that bothers me the most about ace really |
| 03:15.02 | Cide | is this: http://wow-en.curse-gaming.com/files/details/6375/donotclosemail/ |
| 03:15.28 | Shirik | what's wrong with that? |
| 03:15.35 | Cide | open the zip |
| 03:16.02 | cladhaire | i can't it takes 14 clicks =) |
| 03:16.08 | cladhaire | damn curse |
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| 03:16.17 | cladhaire | why do i need to select a mirror when there is only ONE |
| 03:16.24 | Shirik | rofl |
| 03:16.26 | Cide | because it's cool! |
| 03:16.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's ONE |
| 03:16.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | LINE OF CODE |
| 03:16.39 | _Grem_ | Does anyone know how to get a mob's title? |
| 03:16.44 | _Grem_ | Like 'Rogue Trainer' ? |
| 03:16.46 | Cide | yep |
| 03:16.49 | Cide | it's one line of code |
| 03:16.51 | Shirik | WOW |
| 03:16.51 | cladhaire | i'm not sure we can |
| 03:16.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | calling the libs takes more than writing the code |
| 03:16.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | hahaha |
| 03:16.56 | Cide | with 6 libraries worth about 10k? lines of code |
| 03:17.07 | Shirik | there is no need for ace anywhere in that |
| 03:17.12 | Shirik | it doesn't even use any ace architecture |
| 03:17.17 | Cide | exactly |
| 03:17.21 | cladhaire | heh |
| 03:17.22 | Shadowed | Good example of Ace ~= better :p |
| 03:17.23 | Shirik | minus the DoNotCloseMail = AceLibrary() |
| 03:17.25 | Cide | it annoys me to no end |
| 03:17.42 | Cide | because people think that addon is REALLY EFFICIENT |
| 03:17.52 | Shirik | I love how the three lines of code are GPL'ed too |
| 03:18.00 | Shirik | I wonder how well that would stand up in court |
| 03:18.02 | cladhaire | they have to be |
| 03:18.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | my only problem with standardized libraries is not being perfectly backwards compatible at times |
| 03:18.04 | Shirik | nobody else can use those three lines |
| 03:18.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | so some addons break when libraries update |
| 03:18.12 | cladhaire | or GPL compatible rather |
| 03:18.26 | cladhaire | Mr_Rabies: that shouldn't ever happen |
| 03:18.28 | Shadowed | I just don't like seeing all the wasted files/folders for no reason |
| 03:18.44 | Shadowed | hence why I'm using Dongle and not Ace2 for my addons |
| 03:18.50 | cladhaire | meh |
| 03:18.51 | cladhaire | *shrug* |
| 03:18.56 | cladhaire | they're different purposes. |
| 03:19.05 | cladhaire | if you need ace libraries, tht's great, some of em are really good have fun |
| 03:19.06 | Shirik | hmmm that's what I'm missing! |
| 03:19.09 | Shirik | I need to order pizza today |
| 03:19.16 | cladhaire | if you're lazy you can use dongle or your own framework |
| 03:19.23 | cladhaire | Cide: framework hater |
| 03:19.33 | Shadowed | Having to include 10 different folders because of one library is kind of silly though |
| 03:19.46 | Shirik | ok here's the one thing I don't understand about Ace: |
| 03:19.52 | Shirik | I thought the whole idea was the sharing of repetitive code |
| 03:19.59 | cladhaire | true |
| 03:20.01 | Shirik | so why does _every_ addon have the ace library _inside_ it |
| 03:20.06 | Bejitt- | and yet there's repetition across ace addons |
| 03:20.09 | cladhaire | because, they're embedded libraries. |
| 03:20.13 | cladhaire | i.e. no dependencies |
| 03:20.21 | cladhaire | each addon is a full package, with the specific versions required. |
| 03:20.31 | Shirik | it just seems so redundant |
| 03:20.34 | cladhaire | and Ace is like 6 libraries, and most addons use some of the "other" libs. |
| 03:20.43 | cladhaire | not to mention, it lends itself to svn externals |
| 03:20.44 | Shadowed | Like the entire reason I haven't used SurfaceLib yet is I have no interest in the extra lib stuff, I just want the single file to do it or maybe an extra one |
| 03:20.50 | Shirik | but, I'm not an Ace author, so I don't pretend to understand it |
| 03:20.55 | Shirik | I barely understand the AceLibrary():new() |
| 03:21.12 | cladhaire | meh you should read the wiki |
| 03:21.17 | cladhaire | its good to understand it if nothing else. |
| 03:21.19 | WobWork | Shirik: Also the fact that those 'extra' copies get GC'd |
| 03:21.28 | Shirik | true |
| 03:21.33 | Shirik | but that doesn't mean that you're not wasting time |
| 03:21.43 | Shirik | if anything, you have the disk access time |
| 03:21.51 | Cide | cladhaire: it's true =( |
| 03:22.07 | WobWork | Well that's more a problem with "I want it embedded, I don't want dependancies" |
| 03:22.11 | cladhaire | i tend to speak the truth |
| 03:22.22 | Shadowed | Didn't we go over that a week ago cladhaire :p |
| 03:22.54 | WobWork | If they just use the Ace2Library addon for all their ace addons, and delete the library files, then it still works fine with one access |
| 03:22.59 | WobWork | but that's using a dependancy |
| 03:23.08 | WobWork | and that was the major complaint about Ace1 |
| 03:23.24 | cladhaire | Shadowed: we do this often =) |
| 03:23.39 | Shadowed | that seems ironic then wobin |
| 03:23.54 | cladhaire | well in this case consider the following |
| 03:23.57 | cladhaire | if you have dependencies |
| 03:24.04 | cladhaire | than every single addon must be on the same library version |
| 03:24.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | so are all my addons gonna be broken whenever 2.1.0 comes out? |
| 03:24.09 | cladhaire | any compat changes fubar everything |
| 03:24.18 | cladhaire | thats why embeds are nice |
| 03:24.25 | Shadowed | true |
| 03:24.32 | cladhaire | i can develop against Dongle-Beta1 and you can develop against Dongle-1.0 |
| 03:24.38 | cladhaire | and we both get exactly what we need |
| 03:25.07 | Shadowed | But Dongle only has what, 2-3 extra files? Ace2 usually ends up with more then that depending what you're doing |
| 03:25.13 | cladhaire | Dongle is one file |
| 03:25.15 | cladhaire | =) |
| 03:25.17 | cladhaire | always |
| 03:25.26 | Shadowed | One file, and extra ones if you want utils then? |
| 03:25.30 | cladhaire | yes |
| 03:25.36 | cladhaire | but i think utils are the bastard of dongle |
| 03:25.46 | cladhaire | i'd rather they were just copied and pasted when they need to be used |
| 03:25.46 | cladhaire | heh |
| 03:25.47 | Shadowed | hehe |
| 03:25.55 | cladhaire | tekkub hates me for that, |
| 03:26.01 | cladhaire | well he hates me, full stop |
| 03:26.59 | Shadowed | Because you'd rather they not use an entire file if they only want a couple of things? |
| 03:28.09 | Shirik | hmmm |
| 03:28.11 | Shirik | now comes the hard part |
| 03:28.28 | cladhaire | well i dont think they're necessary |
| 03:28.30 | Shirik | how does the wowiupdater figure out wowi's uid for any addons it doesn't recognize... |
| 03:28.31 | cladhaire | they're so low use |
| 03:30.00 | Shadowed | I don't think you really could Shirik without having the user enter it |
| 03:30.14 | Shadowed | or the addon author supporting it, and we all know how well that works! |
| 03:30.15 | Shirik | I have some interesting thoughts I'm going to try, but I'm also going to allow the user to enter it if they know it |
| 03:30.19 | Shirik | oh |
| 03:30.23 | Shirik | I'm not trusting addon authors to do jack |
| 03:30.32 | Shadowed | what are you thinking of doing to find it? |
| 03:30.40 | Shirik | well I have two options |
| 03:31.14 | Shirik | ask dolby-wowi to make a main xml file (like he has one for each addon), which can be downloaded by the client and scanned (it would only list ui names and their uids), but that could be rather large |
| 03:31.36 | Shirik | the alternative option is to post a search to the site and look for close matching addons (like a dictionary search) |
| 03:32.20 | Shirik | I'd prefer the first, though I don't know capabilities of the server |
| 03:32.25 | Shadowed | lesse |
| 03:32.43 | Shirik | ? |
| 03:32.46 | Shadowed | Given the fact that theres probably 1700-2000 addons in all the categories. I somehow doubt they will want you to do that :p |
| 03:32.49 | cladhaire | if its cached and created when a new file is approved, it wouldn't be too bad |
| 03:33.03 | Shirik | think about it |
| 03:33.16 | Shirik | there's only 2000 addons, which sums up to about ... oh |
| 03:33.54 | Shirik | hmm |
| 03:34.00 | Shirik | actually it could get a bit large unless I'm doing bad math |
| 03:34.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | man |
| 03:34.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm in such an epic battlegroup |
| 03:34.41 | Shadowed | Mr_Rabies: Which |
| 03:34.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | Leeroy, Alamo, Mihoshi |
| 03:34.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | Vindication |
| 03:34.50 | Shadowed | oh |
| 03:34.52 | Shadowed | Alamo is fun |
| 03:34.56 | cladhaire | Ruin ftw |
| 03:35.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | Mihoshi is the resto druid troll |
| 03:35.27 | Shadowed | Shirik: Assume 10 characters per a mod name, 4 per a uid. And around 10 or so for the XML? |
| 03:35.39 | Shirik | I did much more than that just now |
| 03:35.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/#character-sheet.xml?r=Thunderhorn&n=Alamo |
| 03:35.47 | Shadowed | what were you assuming |
| 03:35.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | there's alamo :D |
| 03:35.51 | Shirik | 6 for a UID, and "This is an addon name" |
| 03:36.01 | Shirik | typed that into a hex editor, surrounding it with simple XML |
| 03:36.06 | Shirik | it's about 32 bytes |
| 03:36.20 | Shirik | that makes 64K |
| 03:36.22 | Shirik | for 2000 addons |
| 03:37.05 | Shirik | I actually think that's pretty good |
| 03:37.08 | Shirik | what I did was |
| 03:37.15 | Shadowed | I suppose it wouldn't be that bad if you cache it locally too and it's only updated when a new addon is submitted |
| 03:37.18 | Shirik | <UID>489302</UID><UIName>This is an addon name</UIName> |
| 03:37.40 | Shirik | and it wouldn't be scanned every time |
| 03:37.54 | Shirik | the client would only need to scan it every time a new addon is added, and I supposed I could cache it too |
| 03:38.03 | Shirik | a new addon is added to their directory* |
| 03:38.15 | Shirik | i.e., it will remember their old addons, and not have to look it up again |
| 03:38.23 | Shirik | I've already got that all set up, a "WID" file |
| 03:38.32 | Shadowed | Don't even have to update it when they add a new addon |
| 03:38.49 | Shadowed | can still scan it to make sure it's not already cached |
| 03:38.52 | Shirik | ok, when they add a new addon which is not already cached |
| 03:39.38 | PProvost | Shirk, I've talked to Dolby about both options (xml file and searching) for WAU and he has been open but unsure. |
| 03:40.25 | Shirik | I'll have to talk to him ^^ |
| 03:40.51 | Shirik | as it stands now, it seems there would be far more load downloading addons then there would be downloading an xml listing |
| 03:41.11 | Shirik | the list file is 1/10 the size of my addon currently >< |
| 03:42.32 | PProvost | Sure, but they will want you to send them to the site. I didn't read everything up above... is that what you' re thinking? |
| 03:42.46 | Shirik | they will want me to send what? |
| 03:42.56 | Shadowed | want you to send the user to the website so they don't just rely on the updater |
| 03:43.20 | Shirik | ah |
| 03:43.26 | Shirik | haven't even gotten that far yet |
| 03:45.30 | WobWork | Shirik: Maybe make it scan for updates on load and on demand only? |
| 03:47.01 | Shirik | hmm? |
| 03:57.28 | WobWork | hm, I guess that wouldn't particularly help unless you could pass a timestamp to only get 'since X' |
| 03:57.48 | WobWork | (which might be something to ask dolby for the xml to do that...) |
| 03:58.01 | Shirik | maybe I'm not understanding what you're suggesting ^^; |
| 03:58.27 | WobWork | I'm probably misunderstanding the situation in the first place =) nm me for the moment |
| 03:58.32 | Shirik | heh |
| 03:58.36 | WobWork | lemme read up a bit |
| 03:58.39 | Shirik | well let me tell you what I know |
| 03:59.07 | Shirik | each addon will have its own WID file, which indicates its wowinterface uid. From there, the app can go to wowinterface.com/patcher<uid>.xml and read some info about the current version |
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| 03:59.32 | Shirik | the WID will also store the last updated MD5, which is also listed in the XML. If they match, then there's no reason to update (same version). |
| 04:00.12 | Shirik | So... once the addon has been updated /once/, the app will no longer have to take the time to figure out which addon is where on wowinterface... it's the first time that's the tricky part (the WID doesn't exist until the first scan) |
| 04:00.39 | WobWork | To reduce the initial grab of omghundredofaddons, maybe have them downloadable only by category? |
| 04:01.06 | Shirik | perhaps |
| 04:01.22 | WobWork | Or they can import their 'favourites' =) |
| 04:01.54 | WobWork | (that would actually be a nice featurre) |
| 04:01.57 | Shirik | well the user /will/ be given the option to exclude addons from being searched (or rather, the addon won't try searching for it unless the user asks) |
| 04:02.29 | Shirik | I think we're thinking on two different wavelengths, too >< |
| 04:03.11 | WobWork | hehe |
| 04:03.16 | WobWork | disregard me for the moment |
| 04:03.21 | WobWork | as I'm at work, I'm flitting a bit |
| 04:08.16 | Shirik | woot pizza's here |
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| 04:09.27 | cladhaire | Shirik: I don't recommend the chicken alfredo pizza from Papa John's. |
| 04:09.37 | cladhaire | you'll be missing the original styl the whole time. |
| 04:09.47 | Shirik | nah, plain cheese, pizza hut |
| 04:10.43 | cladhaire | hrm |
| 04:10.55 | cladhaire | my roommate got the one with the knots on the edge |
| 04:11.00 | cladhaire | i liked the knots, they were delicious =) |
| 04:11.07 | cladhaire | but pizza hut is too greasy for me, it makes me sad |
| 04:11.08 | Shirik | I saw those; never tried em |
| 04:12.24 | WobWork | Do you have Dominos? |
| 04:12.53 | cladhaire | i have to say, i prefer little caesar's $5 pizza to Pizza hut |
| 04:12.53 | Shirik | no I only have pizza hut :( |
| 04:12.53 | Shirik | not many options where I live |
| 04:12.53 | WobWork | =( |
| 04:12.53 | WobWork | Where's that? |
| 04:12.53 | cladhaire | Dominos is like.... a grocery store pizza, but fresh |
| 04:12.53 | Shirik | daytona beach |
| 04:12.53 | cladhaire | but good |
| 04:13.05 | WobWork | Dominos tends to be a little less greasy than pizza hut, over here |
| 04:14.14 | cladhaire | yeah |
| 04:14.15 | cladhaire | definitely |
| 04:14.24 | Tain | I would rather eat nothing than Dominos. |
| 04:14.27 | cladhaire | papa john's comes with greasy delicious garlic butter sauce |
| 04:14.28 | cladhaire | mmmm |
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| 04:14.42 | Tain | Papa John's garlic butter sauce is great though. |
| 04:14.52 | cladhaire | its amazing |
| 04:14.53 | cladhaire | OH |
| 04:14.56 | cladhaire | don't get their thin crust |
| 04:15.06 | cladhaire | you'll sit there wondering "how the hell do i dip this in the garlic sauce" |
| 04:15.09 | cladhaire | its just not the same |
| 04:15.33 | cladhaire | okay on that note. |
| 04:15.37 | cladhaire | goodnight all =) |
| 04:15.46 | Shirik | night |
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| 04:17.36 | WobWork | well... there could be worse visions to be driven to... |
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| 04:20.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | hahaha |
| 04:20.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | i found kralnor |
| 04:20.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/#character-sheet.xml?r=Ner%27zhul&n=Kralnor |
| 04:20.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | his staff is indeed a good one |
| 04:21.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | not for a warlock though |
| 04:21.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Kralnor |
| 04:21.36 | Shirik | man |
| 04:21.44 | Shirik | I need to remember to log off with TSA and AOTH up |
| 04:22.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't know what either of those are |
| 04:24.01 | Shadowed | Trueshot Aura and Aspect of the Hunter |
| 04:26.02 | Shirik | aspect of the hawk >< |
| 04:26.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | ohhh |
| 04:34.08 | Shadowed | Hawks are Hunters, so same thing! |
| 04:34.20 | Shirik | we are deadly like hawks! |
| 04:34.23 | Shirik | FEAR US! |
| 04:34.35 | Shirik | 'cept the warlocks |
| 04:34.48 | Shadowed | Hunters go squish unless they're BM |
| 04:34.49 | Shirik | they do it all the time it's getting old :( |
| 04:34.53 | Shadowed | and most of them can't kite anyway |
| 04:34.54 | Shirik | psh |
| 04:35.06 | Shirik | I (1) can kite, and (2) am MM like every other respectable hunter |
| 04:35.51 | Shadowed | hard to kite a Warrior if you aren't beast |
| 04:36.11 | Shadowed | although most Warriors don't use fear very well |
| 04:36.36 | Shirik | psh |
| 04:36.45 | Shirik | between scatter shot, trap, concussive shot, imp wing clip |
| 04:36.50 | Shirik | I have enough tools at my disposal |
| 04:37.13 | Shadowed | Entrapment, freezing trap, imp conc or imp wing clip all give me 230 health and 2 rage every 2 seconds for 10 seconds :p |
| 04:37.28 | Shirik | 230 health |
| 04:37.45 | Shirik | that's like 1/5 of the damage I'm going to do to you (at minimum) as soon as you get out of the trap |
| 04:37.54 | Shirik | I don't have entrapment or imp concussive shot too |
| 04:38.04 | Shirik | but that's interesting |
| 04:38.06 | Shirik | what is that talent? |
| 04:38.09 | Shadowed | Second Wind, arms talent |
| 04:38.18 | Shadowed | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=29838 |
| 04:38.33 | Shadowed | 11kish health helps too though |
| 04:40.05 | Shadowed | never really seen a good Hunter though, I know of one in two years who can actually kite trap without dying and thats only with BM :/ |
| 04:40.58 | Shirik | :( |
| 04:40.59 | WobWork | The problem with hunters is that there are too many bad ones |
| 04:40.59 | Shirik | truth. |
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| 04:41.13 | Shirik | hunter is one of those classes that you can still be decent at while being bad at it |
| 04:41.19 | WobWork | easymode |
| 04:41.22 | Shirik | like... if you're a bad warrior.... everyone knows it |
| 04:41.23 | Shadowed | it's a lot harder to kite people in TBC anyway due to STA changes |
| 04:41.28 | Iriel | Ooh. earthqake |
| 04:41.35 | Shirik | earthqake? |
| 04:41.36 | Shadowed | It's ectually very easy to be a bad Warrior but do well |
| 04:41.38 | WobWork | You'd be surprised at the number of hunters in my timezone, but that's mostly cause they're in my timezone |
| 04:41.40 | Shadowed | actually even |
| 04:41.41 | cogwheel | ahhh, california :) |
| 04:41.52 | Cairenn | must be a bit of one, for you to even comment ... |
| 04:41.57 | Iriel | http://quake.wr.usgs.gov/recenteqs/Quakes/nc40194055.htm |
| 04:42.04 | Cairenn | you okay? |
| 04:42.11 | WobWork | that was fast |
| 04:42.11 | Iriel | yeah, shook the house a bit tho |
| 04:42.20 | Shirik | 2 minutes ago? |
| 04:42.22 | Shirik | i.e., you're there? |
| 04:42.23 | WobWork | that's kinda cool =) |
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| 04:43.04 | Shirik | what if it reached florida ... |
| 04:43.08 | Shirik | I'm doomed! |
| 04:43.12 | Iriel | I think you'd have felt it by now |
| 04:43.12 | Shirik | my house can't take an earthquake! |
| 04:43.14 | Iriel | But who knows. |
| 04:43.32 | Iriel | I'm not sure how far the shock travels.. It was only 3 miles or so from here |
| 04:43.36 | cogwheel | guess not... |
| 04:43.38 | WobWork | The autogenerated report is pretty nifty |
| 04:43.42 | Shirik | yeah |
| 04:43.50 | Iriel | http://quake.usgs.gov/recenteqs/Maps/122-38.htm |
| 04:43.53 | kaiden | lol everyone on my vent servers talking about the earthquake as well :P |
| 04:43.54 | Iriel | That's the local map |
| 04:43.54 | cogwheel | I was playing wow the last time I felt an earthquake though :P |
| 04:44.54 | cogwheel | yeah... by the time it reached here it was probably less noticeable than our neighbors slamming their door XD |
| 04:45.00 | kaiden | Anyone know any other chat frame mods that allow you to shrink down the height of the chatframes smaller than the default size (other than prat) |
| 04:45.00 | Shirik | I've never felt an earthquake... |
| 04:45.45 | Cairenn | the original - HitsMode |
| 04:45.52 | Cairenn | also - SimpleCombatLog |
| 04:46.09 | kaiden | they can allow you to change the height of your chat frames? any of them? neat didn't know that |
| 04:46.40 | Cairenn | height I'm not positive of, width I know for sure yes |
| 04:46.43 | kaiden | oooh neato, the greater resize feature |
| 04:46.47 | kaiden | yeah it allows it :) |
| 04:47.23 | kaiden | thanks a bunch cairenn |
| 04:47.23 | Cairenn | 4.2 |
| 04:47.26 | Cairenn | welcome |
| 04:47.46 | cogwheel | yeah... last one i felt was 4.7 and it was about 50 miles closer... |
| 04:50.22 | Nom- | I find it funny that all these people are panicking about the Apophis asteroid |
| 04:50.33 | Nom- | 1. It probably won't hit. |
| 04:50.52 | Nom- | 2. Even if it does, worst case puts peopel 100KM away getting nothing more than a few broken windows |
| 04:51.04 | Nom- | So it's hardly a significant event |
| 04:51.15 | Shirik | if it were anything important, I would have heard about it |
| 04:51.22 | Shirik | my professors would be talking about it non-stop |
| 04:51.30 | Shirik | but considering I don't even have any clue what you're talking about... I doubt it |
| 04:51.45 | Nom- | Yeah as I said...worst case is it'll take out a small town or a chunk of city |
| 04:51.54 | Nom- | It's not going to cause any global effects |
| 04:52.05 | Nom- | Or change the mass/rotation of the earth in any significant way |
| 04:55.09 | Shirik | why are you eating those poor people! |
| 04:55.38 | Shirik | what did they ever do to you? |
| 04:55.48 | Nom- | Tastes so good! |
| 04:56.53 | Nom- | I had a Chicken Curry...was pretty damn good |
| 04:56.59 | Nom- | $6 it cost me...damn cheap too |
| 04:58.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | 704 results for "drizzt" in armory |
| 04:58.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | hahahaha |
| 04:58.25 | Nom- | It's back up? |
| 04:58.36 | Nom- | Indeed it is, so it seems |
| 04:59.09 | WobWork | what's it for legolas? =) |
| 04:59.23 | WobWork | I wonder if you can regexp it =P |
| 04:59.58 | WobWork | leg[o]*l[a]*[s]* |
| 05:00.18 | WobWork | actually... [legoas]* =P |
| 05:00.36 | Nom- | * is evil |
| 05:00.37 | Nom- | use + |
| 05:00.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | 604 results for "sephiroth" |
| 05:00.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | legolas has like 400something |
| 05:01.07 | Shirik | er |
| 05:01.19 | Shirik | why would you do leg[o]*l[a]*[s]* |
| 05:01.42 | Shirik | hmm I guess it's just a matter of opinion |
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| 05:34.32 | hatado | REALLY hate to ask buuut..... |
| 05:34.53 | hatado | I have a frame.. i want to display the targets name.. how do I use UnitName("target") to display it? >_< |
| 05:41.41 | WobWork | Shirik: For the leggolasses |
| 05:42.06 | WobWork | cause chances are, if they can't get Legolas, they'll go for the multicharacter 'ehcloseenough' approach |
| 05:45.19 | hatado | someone plz help me |
| 05:48.08 | Iriel | hatado: You'll need a FontString in your frame |
| 05:48.18 | Iriel | Then you'll do whateverFontString:SetText(UnitName("target")) |
| 05:48.26 | hatado | Ill try |
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| 05:57.03 | hatado | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:59.02 | Iriel | hatado: Go look at some code from the blizzard UI, say for example the UnitFrame |
| 06:02.58 | hatado | I feel like such a freaking dummy... I see things in UnitFrame that would help.. BUT they are functions and I don't see where the functions are placed in a .xml... |
| 06:03.47 | hatado | Remember: im still getting the hang of coding |
| 06:04.22 | Iriel | They're pretty much not embedded in the XML |
| 06:04.37 | Iriel | The XML largely sets stuff up, then lua makes it work |
| 06:05.17 | hatado | hrm |
| 06:05.27 | Iriel | You're going to need to register for the UNIT_NAME event and then have an eventhandler that sets the text whenever the name for the "target" unit changes |
| 06:07.44 | hatado | soo "this:RegisterEvent("UNIT_NAME")" then the function for the new event right? |
| 06:08.25 | Iriel | The function for the event goes in your <OnEvent> block, or you set it with this:SetScript("OnEvent", someFunction) |
| 06:08.53 | hatado | hmm ill try |
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| 06:16.06 | Cairenn | night Iriel|Away, sweet dreams |
| 06:16.11 | Cairenn | no more shaking the house :p |
| 06:16.22 | hatado | figures... I was JUST about to ask something |
| 06:16.24 | hatado | lol |
| 06:17.30 | hatado | after I put this:RegisterEvent("UNIT_NAME_UPDATE") in my <OnEvent> tags... I can't figure out how to get it to work in .lua |
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| 06:21.33 | hatado | lol I just found -- Code by Tem (some changes from Iriel and slouken) why is that in UnitWatch.lua?? |
| 06:22.14 | hatado | annd none of them are on |
| 06:22.17 | Cairenn | exactly as stated |
| 06:22.45 | hatado | right.. so did they work on WoW? |
| 06:22.55 | hatado | dumb question heh |
| 06:23.07 | Cairenn | you know who slouken is, I trust |
| 06:23.20 | hatado | Im new here :P |
| 06:23.34 | Nom- | =O |
| 06:23.45 | Nom- | The Czechs drink more beer than the Germans and Irish!!! |
| 06:24.18 | Cairenn | hatado: slouken: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/search.html?forumId=11114&characterId=113401291&sid=1 |
| 06:24.55 | hatado | lol I know now! |
| 06:25.16 | Cairenn | as for the rest - a number of authors have submitted code to Bliz for incorporation into the default |
| 06:25.22 | hatado | ohhh |
| 06:25.32 | hatado | I see |
| 06:25.49 | Cairenn | if you look through the code, you'll see a number of names that you find in this channel |
| 06:25.59 | hatado | cool |
| 06:26.45 | hatado | now I just need to know how to get this:RegisterEvent("UNIT_NAME_UPDATE") to show the target name >< |
| 06:26.53 | Cairenn | Iriel, Tem, Cladhaire, Esamynn, MentalPower, AnduinLothar, Norganna ... the list goes on |
| 06:27.11 | hatado | wow are you in there? ive seen you in the wow forums before |
| 06:27.13 | Tem | Cide, Lozareth |
| 06:27.34 | Cairenn | my name isn't in any code, no |
| 06:27.39 | hatado | ah |
| 06:27.49 | Tem | I'm sure there's more, but I can't think of more atm |
| 06:28.27 | hatado | oh yeah! Cairenn you have a couple of stickies on the forums :P |
| 06:28.41 | Cairenn | yeah, you see me around from time to time |
| 06:28.43 | hatado | you must code more than WoW |
| 06:28.48 | Tem | hatado, iirc, Iriel and slouken both made a lot of optimization suggestions and helped fix bugs when I was writing it |
| 06:29.08 | Cairenn | I don't code for WoW at all |
| 06:29.23 | Tem | only because you won't let us teach you |
| 06:29.37 | Nom- | ahhhh |
| 06:29.40 | hatado | then.. why http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html;jsessionid=A8DCBA8B6633A52298BA87B12B02B86F?topicId=11381244&sid=1 |
| 06:29.46 | Nom- | 3:30pm and we're alright into the company supplied beer |
| 06:29.54 | Nom- | This is the shizzle :D |
| 06:30.07 | Tem | she's just helpful like, hatado |
| 06:30.15 | Tem | s/like/like that/ |
| 06:30.26 | hatado | lol awomse |
| 06:30.45 | hatado | s/awomse/awsome |
| 06:30.48 | hatado | doh |
| 06:30.57 | Cairenn | forgot the trailing / |
| 06:31.00 | hatado | I see that |
| 06:31.05 | Nom- | Cairenn is the token hottie that every programming team needs |
| 06:31.12 | hatado | LOL |
| 06:31.15 | Cairenn | lol Nom- |
| 06:31.34 | Cairenn | that's me, all fluff and window dressing, no actual use |
| 06:31.53 | hatado | kinda like shiriks "4;" |
| 06:31.54 | Nom- | ^_^ |
| 06:32.02 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 06:32.42 | hatado | OKAY! noooow.. how the heck to I get this:RegisterEvent("UNIT_NAME_UPDATE") to show a target name in a frame?! |
| 06:32.52 | Tem | const int FIVE = 4; |
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| 06:40.56 | Cairenn | night guys |
| 06:44.29 | hatado | can someone help me with this?: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v80/cortez1212/how.jpg |
| 06:46.06 | Bejitt- | TextObjectNameText:SetText(GetUnitName("target")) |
| 06:46.17 | Bejitt- | s/GetUnitName/UnitName/ |
| 06:46.40 | hatado | hmm where do I put? |
| 06:47.09 | Bejitt- | where do you set the target's model? |
| 06:47.20 | Bejitt- | or rather, the model to show |
| 06:47.43 | hatado | umm |
| 06:48.50 | hatado | like Tags or Anchors? |
| 06:50.08 | hatado | lemme try something.. just a sec |
| 06:51.10 | Bejitt- | where do you call :SetUnit for your PlayerModel ? |
| 06:51.40 | hatado | OnLoad if thats what you mean |
| 06:52.26 | Bejitt- | er you call SetUnit in the PlayerModel's OnLoad? |
| 06:53.19 | hatado | Ill pasty |
| 06:53.23 | Bejitt- | k |
| 06:53.47 | Bejitt- | i'd move it to at least the OnShow handler |
| 06:54.35 | hatado | http://wowi.pastey.net/7471 |
| 06:54.56 | hatado | 105-123 |
| 06:55.54 | Bejitt- | back to the name text, looks like you dont have the FontString in there for it |
| 06:56.06 | hatado | hrm |
| 06:56.15 | Bejitt- | add a FontString to the "targetname" layers |
| 06:56.29 | hatado | ok just a sec |
| 06:56.53 | Bejitt- | actually, why is that a frame of its own? |
| 06:57.19 | hatado | I thought I needed a frame for text |
| 06:57.22 | hatado | :P |
| 06:57.23 | Bejitt- | you could just add another FontString to Chairman |
| 06:57.44 | Bejitt- | and anchor it to the bottom of the TitleString |
| 06:57.57 | hatado | that would reduse alot of code lol |
| 06:58.10 | Bejitt- | ahh that's what inheritance is for ;D |
| 06:58.28 | hatado | lol |
| 07:00.29 | Esamynn | Cairenn: token hottie and all fluff and no use. HAHAHAHAHAHAHa |
| 07:00.32 | Esamynn | that cracks me up |
| 07:00.47 | Bejitt- | hatado: example: http://wowi.pastey.net/7472 |
| 07:01.32 | hatado | ahh i see |
| 07:01.36 | Bejitt- | can have more things in the first one; everything defined in there is used in frames that inherit it |
| 07:01.58 | Bejitt- | so all you have to do is set the anchor |
| 07:02.01 | hatado | cool |
| 07:02.03 | Esamynn | I don't argue the hottie part, but the "all fluff and window dressing" part, HA, don't let her fool you into believing that |
| 07:03.38 | hatado | so what do i have my fontstring inherit? |
| 07:03.44 | hatado | heh |
| 07:04.06 | hatado | I understand the anchor |
| 07:04.34 | Esamynn | a font from Fonts.xml |
| 07:04.42 | Esamynn | GameFontNormal should do |
| 07:04.45 | hatado | ah ok |
| 07:04.47 | Esamynn | or |
| 07:04.51 | Bejitt- | that works |
| 07:04.54 | Esamynn | shoot, what;s it callled |
| 07:05.02 | Esamynn | did I get that right? |
| 07:05.45 | Esamynn | my goodness, I did |
| 07:06.21 | Esamynn | hatado: technically, it would be more proper to use the font attribute instead of the inherits attribute, but it doesn't really matter |
| 07:06.33 | hatado | I was wondering that lol |
| 07:06.49 | Esamynn | both work, but they didn't always |
| 07:07.06 | Esamynn | it used to have to be inherits, which is why all the blizz code uses it |
| 07:09.25 | hatado | So my fontstring goes in my Charmain Layer tag? |
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| 07:09.33 | hatado | just making sure |
| 07:10.07 | hatado | because the XXX doesn't show up |
| 07:10.13 | Esamynn | just a sec |
| 07:10.13 | Tem | ROFL! |
| 07:10.16 | hatado | lol |
| 07:10.24 | hatado | didn't notice what I just said |
| 07:10.27 | Tem | http://worsethanfailure.com/Articles/I_Guess_I_0x27_ll_Stay_In.aspx |
| 07:10.49 | hatado | makes it sound like I said something wouldn't show up |
| 07:10.52 | Tem | read that, then look at the third comment |
| 07:11.13 | Tem | "An inconvenient truth, indeed." |
| 07:11.13 | Esamynn | <Layers> |
| 07:11.15 | Esamynn | <Layer level="BACKGROUND"> |
| 07:11.16 | Esamynn | <FontString name="$parentStatus" inherits="GameFontNormal"> |
| 07:11.24 | hatado | LOL tem |
| 07:11.45 | Esamynn | hatado: that's the nesting within the frame |
| 07:11.49 | hatado | ok |
| 07:11.55 | Esamynn | you probably want to set the level to ARTWORK |
| 07:12.05 | Tem | bleh |
| 07:12.07 | Tem | xml |
| 07:12.32 | Esamynn | ~poke tem |
| 07:12.34 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind tem, pokes tem repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 07:12.42 | hatado | XD |
| 07:13.54 | hatado | hrm |
| 07:15.25 | hatado | http://wowi.pastey.net/7473 still doesn't show the XXX |
| 07:15.47 | hatado | oh wiat XD |
| 07:15.58 | hatado | no text="XXX"> |
| 07:16.20 | Esamynn | that would do it |
| 07:16.23 | hatado | lol |
| 07:16.59 | hatado | umm It still doesn't show anything heh |
| 07:17.50 | Esamynn | you need to define the fontstring you are anchoring too first |
| 07:17.56 | Esamynn | or else the anchor isn't valid |
| 07:18.00 | hatado | umm lol yeah |
| 07:18.28 | hatado | I have <Anchor point="TOP" relativeTo="$parentTitleString"> though |
| 07:22.17 | Esamynn | but that object is defined BELOW the one that anchors to it |
| 07:22.35 | Esamynn | and thus is created after |
| 07:22.39 | hatado | I SEE! |
| 07:24.15 | Esamynn | "I see! I see!" said the blind man.... |
| 07:24.20 | Esamynn | ;) |
| 07:24.23 | hatado | I am blind then lol |
| 07:24.35 | Esamynn | does it work now? :) |
| 07:24.42 | hatado | just about to test |
| 07:25.00 | hatado | T_T |
| 07:25.11 | Nom- | So...where's this wowiupdater ? |
| 07:25.31 | Esamynn | good night all |
| 07:25.35 | hatado | NOOOOO |
| 07:25.39 | hatado | heh |
| 07:26.11 | Esamynn | there's plenty of people here who can help you |
| 07:26.24 | hatado | after about 10 minutes of asking :P |
| 07:26.27 | Esamynn | did your "XXX" display at least? |
| 07:26.30 | hatado | no |
| 07:26.31 | Tem | Anyone here on a french or gernal client? |
| 07:26.34 | Esamynn | oh :( |
| 07:26.46 | hatado | I think I might have it soon |
| 07:26.51 | hatado | the XXX that is |
| 07:28.35 | Esamynn | oh god, you're a SPACE INDENTER |
| 07:28.39 | Esamynn | you're EVIL!!! |
| 07:28.40 | Nom- | Share some with us, hatado |
| 07:28.46 | Nom- | We all like the XXX |
| 07:28.50 | hatado | LOL |
| 07:29.22 | Esamynn | ok, someone help hatado out, my bed is calling me |
| 07:29.31 | hatado | bye |
| 07:29.31 | Nom- | Really? |
| 07:29.35 | Nom- | Is there a hot chick in it? |
| 07:29.40 | hatado | He wishes |
| 07:29.42 | Esamynn | ~poke Nom- |
| 07:29.49 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Nom-, pokes Nom- repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 07:29.50 | Esamynn | Nom-: none of your business :P |
| 07:30.11 | Nom- | XD |
| 07:30.24 | Esamynn | good night all |
| 07:30.26 | Nom- | Well, the thing is. If there is...then you shouldn't be chatting in IRC... |
| 07:30.34 | Nom- | purl: slap Esamynn |
| 07:30.35 | purl | ACTION slaps Esamynn, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 07:30.39 | hatado | hehe |
| 07:31.53 | Nom- | So where's this mod updater thingy? |
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| 07:32.06 | Nom- | I didn't get a chance to ask whatshisname easlier |
| 07:32.08 | Nom- | earlier |
| 07:32.47 | hatado | I had no clue ther was a mod updatr |
| 07:32.55 | hatado | s/updatr/updater/ |
| 07:33.21 | hatado | OH tricky arnt ya purl.. TWO typos!! |
| 07:33.54 | hatado | ok sorry for the following act of noobdom.. |
| 07:33.54 | Nom- | Shirik is working onit |
| 07:34.01 | wobin | For Wowi |
| 07:34.05 | Nom- | ~poke Shirik |
| 07:34.06 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Shirik, pokes Shirik repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 07:34.06 | wobin | there's one for ace addons |
| 07:34.35 | hatado | so if I type something lik omgwtfbbqIhveatoenail I can type: |
| 07:34.47 | hatado | s/omgwtfbbqIhveatoenail/omgwtfbbqatoenail |
| 07:34.51 | hatado | DOH!! |
| 07:34.55 | wobin | with a trailing / |
| 07:35.01 | hatado | I did it AGAIN |
| 07:35.23 | hatado | s/omgwtfbbqIhveatoenail/omgwtfbbqatoenail/ |
| 07:35.31 | hatado | hrm... im noobish |
| 07:35.44 | wobin | purl only fixes your last response |
| 07:35.50 | hatado | I just figured that out hehe |
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| 07:36.14 | Nom- | hmmmmmmmmmm |
| 07:36.17 | hatado | Teekanne... you and me BOTH are just learning lol |
| 07:36.28 | Nom- | so tempted to take off to computer shop and grab a WD 320GB HDD |
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| 08:04.00 | Corrodias | do any of you have premium server access on warcraftmovies.com? |
| 08:19.55 | hatado | omg... where do I put FontString:SetText(UnitName("target")) I can't make <FontString:SetText(UnitName("target"))> cuz my editor says I need a > or /> after SetText |
| 08:22.04 | Shikatanai | is hearthsinger forresten immune to snares? |
| 08:24.44 | Corrodias | i dunno |
| 08:24.50 | Corrodias | he's not very tough, though |
| 08:24.56 | Corrodias | if i'm thinking of the piccolo guy |
| 08:25.09 | Shikatanai | yeah i've been in strat for the last 3 hours trying to find him |
| 08:25.13 | Shikatanai | i went all the way into strat live |
| 08:25.24 | Shikatanai | solo lol |
| 08:25.28 | Shikatanai | just found him though |
| 08:25.33 | Corrodias | ah.. no, he's not immune to snares |
| 08:25.44 | Corrodias | i beat him with my balance/restoration build |
| 08:25.49 | Corrodias | or rather |
| 08:26.09 | Corrodias | he's not immune to roots. snares, probably not, as a less intensive form of movement inhibition. |
| 08:26.23 | Shikatanai | damn it no piccolo |
| 08:27.14 | Shikatanai | all i got were woollies |
| 08:27.58 | Corrodias | if it makes you feel any better, i got one on the first try |
| 08:28.01 | Corrodias | but i have since respecced feral |
| 08:28.13 | Shikatanai | it doesn't make me feel better |
| 08:28.29 | Shikatanai | i have killed hundreds of undead |
| 08:28.38 | Corrodias | i only had to sneak in and kill him |
| 08:28.43 | Corrodias | doesn't that cheer you up? |
| 08:28.44 | Shikatanai | and most of the scarlet crusade |
| 08:29.04 | Shikatanai | i tried to kill timmy but |
| 08:29.08 | Shikatanai | he was a bastard |
| 08:29.19 | Shikatanai | do you know if the magistrate is immune to frost nova? |
| 08:29.29 | Corrodias | okay, well, how about this. i had never been to strat before, and i was caught by surprise by 1) a rat trap, 2) a ghost trap, and 3) an eye of naxx |
| 08:29.42 | Shikatanai | well |
| 08:29.44 | Corrodias | the key guy? |
| 08:29.46 | Shikatanai | eye of naxx are no problem |
| 08:29.49 | Corrodias | i was not able to Root him |
| 08:29.52 | Shikatanai | ok |
| 08:29.57 | Shikatanai | does he hit hard? |
| 08:30.16 | Corrodias | he turned me into a moonkin pancake |
| 08:30.22 | Shikatanai | ok then i will skip it |
| 08:31.21 | Corrodias | i'm just hoping i can still heal effectively in raids... i don't want to respec again |
| 08:31.34 | Shikatanai | 3 hours, 4 righteous orbs, several boe tier 0, a twig of the world tree, soul breaker, 5 lock boxes, and many many boe greens later.... i get woollies and no piccolo |
| 08:31.35 | Corrodias | or offtank or whatever, but it's doubtful we'll need extra tanks for raiding |
| 08:31.46 | Shikatanai | oh and 15 stacks of runecloth |
| 08:32.18 | Corrodias | being a druid can be frustrating at times, but at others the versatility is really amazing |
| 08:32.29 | Shikatanai | i have a feral druid also |
| 08:41.31 | hatado | OMG!! How the heck do I use FontString:SetText("text")?! I can't figure it out! |
| 08:50.40 | wobin | hokay |
| 08:50.43 | wobin | I need some help |
| 08:50.43 | wobin | http://www.pastey.net/7476 |
| 08:50.54 | wobin | This table pool isn't doing what I want it to |
| 08:51.13 | wobin | I'm using tables in an onupdate to generate a tooltip |
| 08:51.19 | wobin | so I want to recycle the tables used |
| 08:51.45 | wobin | But I'm ending up with a table full of repeated table references to the same tables |
| 08:51.50 | wobin | (if that makes any sense) |
| 08:52.19 | wobin | ie, I'm half getting it right, in that I'm reusing tables, but my tablepool is getting large, when it shouldn't be |
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| 09:15.45 | Corrodias | so... anybody have such an account? |
| 09:15.57 | Corrodias | did i even ask the question? :o |
| 09:16.16 | Corrodias | ah, there it is, quite a ways back. does anybody have a premium account on warcraftmovies.com? |
| 09:22.51 | Tem | "Great Idea. Flawless Execution." |
| 09:22.58 | Tem | well that does a number on one's ego |
| 09:28.11 | [Ammo] | if anyone sees cladhaire, tell him I uploaded oRA2 for him to addon sites as requested |
| 09:36.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | IT HAS BEGUN |
| 09:36.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | No one has finished yet the current raid dungeons, and you already releasing a new one in patch 2.1? Why? In order to satisfy the 2% of your playerbase? Come on... |
| 09:43.45 | Corrodias | "i hate having new stuff" |
| 09:44.20 | Corrodias | blizzard should have to justify with us every time they put something new in |
| 09:45.22 | ZealotOnAStick | Well, The Eye and Black Temple, not to mention Hyjal, were all -supposed- to be active, in, and finished on BC release. |
| 09:45.39 | ZealotOnAStick | So it's really more like they're catching up on stuff they're well, well behind on. |
| 09:48.07 | Corrodias | how unpleasant it is to run into an invisible wall in old hillsbrad >:/ |
| 09:49.27 | Corrodias | i bet it even has a ceiling |
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| 09:57.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's not quite invisible |
| 09:57.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | your vision goes into TIME PARADOX IF YOU LEAVE HERE mode |
| 09:58.10 | Corrodias | well, if you go west |
| 09:58.28 | Corrodias | heading east or north, the terrain attempts to block you, but if you get around it, the invisible wall just stands in your way |
| 09:59.03 | Corrodias | although now that i think about it, going east, i did reach the fog before hitting the wall, if i went swimming |
| 09:59.25 | Corrodias | but north, past ravenholdt manor, i got stuck between the wall and a cliff face and had to teleport out |
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| 10:52.04 | Thrae | Anyone awake at this ungodly hour? |
| 10:52.09 | Corrodias | i |
| 10:52.13 | Corrodias | but i'm nearly useless |
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| 10:53.39 | Thrae | What do you think of this: http://www.devolution/~slouken/Maelstrom/ |
| 10:54.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | i think that website needs to leave 1999 :[ |
| 10:55.13 | Corrodias | it's a start, but that logo is definitely 90's |
| 10:55.34 | Grawsith | hey guys, if i give you an imageshack picture link, can u tell me what mod it is? |
| 10:55.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | possibly |
| 10:55.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | we can't tell you without seeing the image |
| 10:56.03 | Grawsith | http://img242.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pallyui2rk1.jpg |
| 10:56.15 | Thrae | No no. I ask -- is it our slouken? Previously, my searches for "slouken" brought up someone avid in SDL (SimpleDirectMediaLayer) development. Now we found out he was making games -- an excellent way to get into professional game development. |
| 10:56.18 | Grawsith | the bottom grey part, with the funky minimap |
| 10:56.29 | Corrodias | the site doesn't actually explain what it's talking about... |
| 10:56.44 | Corrodias | oh. i have no way of knowing. |
| 10:56.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | probably discord unit frames or something Grawsith |
| 10:56.54 | Thrae | Maelstrom, it's a game. |
| 10:57.02 | Corrodias | aw, no, that's, um... |
| 10:57.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | It is our slouken, thrae |
| 10:57.08 | Corrodias | the thing with the background |
| 10:57.15 | Corrodias | like that one guy was looking for a week or two ago |
| 10:57.35 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies2: Yeah, I think so too. |
| 10:58.01 | Thrae | He even has the same tendency to say "AddOns" instead of "Addons" ;) |
| 10:58.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | on his resume, thrae: |
| 10:58.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | Blizzard Entertainment, Irvine, CA |
| 10:58.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:58.25 | Grawsith | ok, thanks you guys. |
| 10:58.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | Lead Programmer, Loki Entertainment Software, Orange County, CA |
| 10:58.51 | Corrodias | i'm trying to find the name, Grawsith |
| 10:59.09 | Thrae | Hah, I didn't even go to the root page. |
| 10:59.10 | Grawsith | ok, i'm not going anywhere |
| 10:59.26 | Corrodias | i'm taking a bio break and i'll try to remember the name |
| 10:59.40 | Thrae | He's been certainly active. No wonder he's such a great coder. |
| 10:59.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | lead programmer at loki is nothing to scoff at |
| 11:00.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | he's probably a major reason there were ANY mac games for the longest time |
| 11:00.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | well, ports |
| 11:00.38 | Thrae | Yeah, this game "Maelstrom" links to a website that is predominately about Mac software. |
| 11:01.05 | Thrae | Ooo, and he ported games to Linux. |
| 11:09.05 | Grawsith | Farewell brethren. |
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| 11:19.00 | Corrodias | hm, no idea... i'd have to check my logs |
| 11:19.31 | Corrodias | so what you're saying is that slouken is Serious Business |
| 11:22.38 | wobin | The internet is Serious Business |
| 11:23.26 | Corrodias | Your Mongle (Cock) crits wobin for 2453. |
| 11:23.47 | zenzelezz | you have a rooster pet? |
| 11:24.07 | Corrodias | sure |
| 11:24.23 | wobin | Corrodias is a cock mongler from way back. |
| 11:28.41 | qw` | Why is slouken ours? |
| 11:28.53 | Corrodias | we own him now |
| 11:29.19 | Corrodias | if he displeases us, eight million nerds will bitch on the forum |
| 11:31.59 | qw` | He's probably in the channel already, watching us |
| 11:32.24 | qw` | Just look for the blue nick O_o |
| 11:33.31 | Corrodias | 12qw`, although you took thorough precautions in the channel against my hearing you, I could see your fingers move. |
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| 11:36.14 | Corrodias | 12Let me put it this way, Mr. qw`. The Blizzard representative is the most reliable forum poster ever made. No Blizzard representative has ever made a mistake or distorted information. We are all, by any practical definition of the words, foolproof and incapable of error. |
| 11:37.04 | wobin | hehe, I'm impressed. |
| 11:37.11 | wobin | No spelling or grammatical errors in that |
| 11:37.50 | Corrodias | well, mostly copypasta |
| 11:37.54 | Kaso | Why is corrodais' text a different color, what sort of witchcraft is this! |
| 11:37.57 | wobin | Yeah, but the chances of a post having a spelling or grammar error rises exponentially the more the content has to do with proving perfection |
| 11:41.18 | zenzelezz | Corrodias++ for HAL9000 reference |
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| 11:52.01 | qw^ | My computer locked up, I got some kind of a bluescreen |
| 11:53.42 | Corrodias | you fib |
| 11:54.08 | Corrodias | or, at least, that wasn't the cause of you leaving the channel |
| 11:55.21 | qw^ | It was no regular kind of bluescreen, it had a steady pulse to it, like a heartbeat. Now all my addons says "out of date" and the "Load out of date AddOns" checkbox is gone. What's going on Corrodias, I blame you! |
| 11:57.21 | Corrodias | where are you going with this? |
| 11:59.54 | qw^ | Apparently nowhere |
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| 12:40.34 | wobin | woot |
| 12:40.48 | JoshBorke | gief splut update! |
| 12:40.53 | wobin | You can tabshift through a list of frames now, and hit enter to select it |
| 12:41.01 | wobin | I'm working on WMC |
| 12:42.47 | JoshBorke | :'( |
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| 12:45.37 | wobin | hm |
| 12:45.49 | wobin | Is there any way to tell if a frame inherits from a particular template? |
| 12:49.09 | Kaso | Do getmetatable ? |
| 12:49.19 | Kaso | oh wait |
| 12:49.22 | Kaso | will that help |
| 12:49.24 | Kaso | umm |
| 12:49.46 | Kaso | perhaps not in a simple manner |
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| 12:53.06 | wobin | =( |
| 12:54.02 | JoshBorke | wobin: do you create the template frame? |
| 12:54.16 | wobin | no |
| 12:54.35 | wobin | I just need to find out if, say, it inherits from the secureframes |
| 12:54.39 | wobin | so has attributes |
| 12:54.41 | wobin | etc |
| 12:54.55 | Kaso | itll be secure variable if it iherits from secureframes wont it? |
| 12:55.25 | Kaso | issecurevariable([table,] "name") |
| 12:55.36 | wobin | hm, there's an idea |
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| 12:57.29 | JoshBorke | except it'll return 1 for nil variables |
| 12:57.38 | wobin | That's alright, I know the frame exists |
| 12:57.53 | wobin | but does that syntax mean I can either enter in a table or a variable and it'll work? |
| 12:58.09 | wobin | or I have to enter in the table and the name |
| 12:58.11 | Kaso | if its a global frame just put the name of the frame as a string as the arg |
| 12:58.11 | JoshBorke | no |
| 12:58.12 | wobin | for a table |
| 12:58.30 | Kaso | issecurevariable("GameTooltip") etcetc |
| 12:58.37 | wobin | (we have nonglobal frames?) |
| 12:58.53 | Kaso | local f=CreateFrame("Frame") |
| 12:59.07 | wobin | oh of course |
| 12:59.09 | JoshBorke | putting the frame doesn't work |
| 12:59.09 | wobin | >< |
| 12:59.14 | Kaso | it does ? |
| 12:59.15 | Kaso | nt |
| 12:59.19 | JoshBorke | just tested it |
| 12:59.22 | Kaso | hmm |
| 12:59.24 | Kaso | thats odd |
| 12:59.28 | JoshBorke | returns nil for BT3Button1 |
| 12:59.36 | wobin | The frame, not the name of the frame |
| 12:59.56 | Kaso | Yah you need to give it the frame's name as a string |
| 13:00.03 | JoshBorke | it expects it as a string |
| 13:00.17 | JoshBorke | it errors if i give it the frame |
| 13:00.25 | Kaso | does (_G,"FrameName") do anything? |
| 13:00.41 | krka | yes, it returns _G |
| 13:00.51 | JoshBorke | got nil |
| 13:01.02 | Kaso | im lost |
| 13:01.03 | JoshBorke | it works if i use a blizzard frame name |
| 13:01.03 | Kaso | no idea |
| 13:01.07 | wobin | (Splutton4, "Splutton4") returns 1 |
| 13:01.25 | Corrodias | now it seems to me |
| 13:01.29 | JoshBorke | it returns 1 for variables that don't exist. does Splutton4.Splutton4 exist? |
| 13:01.40 | Corrodias | that when switching between bear and cat form, the amount of threat i currently have is actually modified to fit the new form |
| 13:01.50 | Corrodias | or maybe i just got some interesting coincidences |
| 13:01.53 | wobin | no |
| 13:01.59 | wobin | That's true =\ |
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| 13:03.12 | Kaso | wobin So you need to put the frame as the table and the frames name as the Variable? thats rather odd |
| 13:03.13 | Corrodias | oh, and shifting into bear form near a mob apparently generates threat, by the way |
| 13:03.28 | JoshBorke | Corrodias: perhaps it counts the health increase as a heal? |
| 13:03.37 | Corrodias | that could be |
| 13:03.42 | Kaso | any Auras on you create a minuet amount of threat does it not? |
| 13:03.52 | wobin | Kaso: That appears to return 1 no matter what |
| 13:03.55 | Corrodias | i have drawn aggro from a puller by shifting as they run by |
| 13:04.13 | Corrodias | ah: 1 Rage gained 5 |
| 13:04.15 | wobin | which is really weird |
| 13:04.19 | Kaso | Wierd, ive not idea whats going on there |
| 13:04.33 | Corrodias | i have a talent that gives me +10 rage when i shift into bear form, so that's 50 threat right there |
| 13:04.48 | Corrodias | the health gained may also be involved |
| 13:07.55 | Kaso | Misdirection confuses me when people pull with it |
| 13:08.09 | wobin | Hm, I guess I could just scan for the usual attributes |
| 13:08.15 | Kaso | I see the hunter shoot the mob, then the mob sprints off towards the warrior ^_-# |
| 13:09.29 | wobin | IsProtected appears to be the function I need |
| 13:10.27 | JoshBorke | is that in the game currently? |
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| 13:12.30 | wobin | Misdirection, or IsProtected? |
| 13:12.36 | JoshBorke | IsProtected |
| 13:12.39 | wobin | aye |
| 13:12.52 | wobin | Region:IsProtected() |
| 13:12.57 | wobin | returns a couple of values |
| 13:13.08 | wobin | which appear to be either nil nil or 1,1 |
| 13:13.38 | JoshBorke | cool |
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| 13:23.05 | Kaso| | You know whats the first thing that ive noticed coming back to windows from linux, is installers telling you to restart |
| 13:23.12 | Kaso| | lord how that infuriates me |
| 13:23.53 | Corrodias | you can sometimes ignore that, depending on what you're installing |
| 13:24.13 | Kaso| | Thats the problem though, you never know if you can or not. |
| 13:24.26 | Kaso| | Why do people put these restart warnings in if theyre not needed |
| 13:24.40 | Corrodias | because you don't care |
| 13:25.07 | Kaso| | You mean the programmers? |
| 13:25.43 | Corrodias | yes |
| 13:26.52 | Kaso| | i guess its better to restart then have to deal with the problems when some peice of software they have causes some unforseen consiquence |
| 13:27.09 | Kaso| | I'd be nice if they let you know it was "reccomended" not nessasary |
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| 13:38.25 | wobin | http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/9178/wmc1tk5.png |
| 13:38.31 | wobin | http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/9484/wmc2lv4.png |
| 13:41.19 | Corrodias | i have no idea what you're showing us |
| 13:41.27 | JoshBorke | Where's My Cow of course |
| 13:41.38 | JoshBorke | accessed through /milk |
| 13:41.56 | wobin | It's a debugging addon I'm working on |
| 13:41.59 | Corrodias | in that case, it's finally time for me to go to bed. 'ni |
| 13:42.08 | JoshBorke | night Co |
| 13:42.11 | JoshBorke | bah |
| 13:42.14 | JoshBorke | Corrodias: night |
| 13:42.19 | JoshBorke | shouldn't you be hitting the hay too wobin? |
| 13:42.46 | wobin | It's friday night =) |
| 13:42.58 | ForGet | ÿ ïîéäó ñïàòü |
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| 13:43.03 | JoshBorke | ? |
| 13:43.05 | wobin | ? |
| 13:43.17 | JoshBorke | i win :-P |
| 13:44.38 | wobin | Fishsticks! |
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| 14:52.57 | amro | http://www.wikihow.com/Thwart-an-Abduction-Attempt oO |
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| 16:51.16 | Shirik | so silent today... |
| 16:51.29 | Shirik | my screen is spammed with gray "part" and "join"s |
| 16:56.00 | zenzelezz | mine are white and greyish white |
| 16:57.59 | nevcairiel | i have grey with the brackets in red, looks kinda cool |
| 16:58.47 | Shirik | my ugly screen: http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/2861/screenzu9.jpg |
| 16:59.08 | Shirik | I used to have more of a matrix feel - green instead of blue/gray you see there |
| 16:59.09 | Shirik | but |
| 16:59.15 | Shirik | meh it was starting to make me blind |
| 16:59.55 | haste | I've never liked mIRC :o |
| 17:00.13 | haste | been using irssi for the past years instead |
| 17:00.22 | Shirik | I thought about grabbing irssi |
| 17:00.28 | Shirik | hey, someone say my name |
| 17:00.32 | haste | Shirik: |
| 17:00.35 | Shirik | good good :) |
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| 17:02.03 | Shirik | my old style: http://img459.imageshack.us/img459/1712/screendo6.jpg |
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| 17:03.01 | Shirik | and then my REALLY old style... |
| 17:03.43 | Shirik | http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/274/screenae8.jpg |
| 17:03.48 | Shirik | which blinded me |
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| 17:25.59 | Kirkburn|afk | Any Australian Uni students around - AWESOME, truly INCREDIBLE offer for you. Office Ultimate for AU$75 - http://www.istartedsomething.com/20070302/office-ultimate-75/ |
| 17:26.18 | Kirkburn|afk | If anyone knows of anyone who qualifies, tell them :) |
| 17:26.49 | zenzelezz | still trying to push MS stuff on people Kirk? |
| 17:27.10 | Kirkburn|afk | Hoi |
| 17:27.41 | Kirkburn|afk | AU$75 for the best edition of Office 2007 is a frankly ludicrously good offer. It's 6% of the RRP :/ |
| 17:30.20 | amro | hm, I wonder why they want to get rid of it so badly =P |
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| 17:37.53 | Shirik | wouldn't be surprised if it was because it had the microsoft logo on it |
| 17:49.08 | sancus | fuck |
| 17:49.13 | sancus | fuck australia |
| 17:49.24 | sancus | I want ms office ultimate for 75 bucks :/ |
| 17:49.48 | Shirik | I get office for free :/ |
| 17:50.53 | Shirik | legally |
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| 18:04.45 | Kirkburn|afk | I have to agree with Long Zheng's comments on the blog post, it's a crazy thing for them to have done |
| 18:05.26 | Shirik | indeed |
| 18:05.30 | Shirik | but honestly |
| 18:05.35 | Shirik | when you consider they're paying like |
| 18:05.43 | Shirik | $5 maybe per copy |
| 18:05.46 | Kirkburn|afk | The original RRP for it was also crazy :P |
| 18:05.50 | Shirik | (excluding all the money they put into programmers etc) |
| 18:06.00 | Kirkburn|afk | True, but the development costs were especially high for this one |
| 18:06.13 | Shirik | true, but there will ALWAYS be people who do things the legal way; corporations specifically |
| 18:06.31 | Shirik | I'm still not saying it was the brightest thing for Microsoft to do, but I'm also saying they have the lee-way to do this right now |
| 18:06.40 | Kirkburn|afk | Tis true |
| 18:06.56 | Kirkburn|afk | Nice for Australia to get an offer like that for once too |
| 18:07.34 | Kirkburn|afk | They miss out on so much stuff, and get charged stupid prices for some software |
| 18:07.49 | Kirkburn|afk | (like, er, Vista) |
| 18:07.50 | Shirik | import charges? |
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| 18:08.17 | Kirkburn|afk | That's the excuse they keep trying for the UK. It account for a tiny amount of the price increase |
| 18:08.39 | Shirik | well doesn't UK have something like 30% VAT or something |
| 18:08.40 | Kirkburn|afk | In the UK we are charged /double/ for Vista |
| 18:08.45 | Kirkburn|afk | 17.5% |
| 18:09.04 | Shirik | You know what Microsoft's telling you? |
| 18:09.09 | Shirik | Stop being noob and come to america :P |
| 18:09.19 | Kirkburn|afk | Heh, knew you were gonna say that :) |
| 18:09.32 | Shirik | but let's look at it this way |
| 18:09.47 | Shirik | they have full control over everythign right now - as long as people still need it, they're going to pay for it |
| 18:09.50 | Shirik | and that may mean paying double for it |
| 18:10.05 | Shirik | sad but true |
| 18:10.49 | Kirkburn|afk | We have a similar problem with car prices to a lesser extent - it's often cheaper for us to import cars from the continent |
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| 18:24.38 | Kirkburn|afk | Did people know that http://www.whorecraft.net/ had actually been started? NSFW, obviously |
| 18:25.01 | ag` | yeah |
| 18:25.08 | ag` | I pirated one |
| 18:25.15 | ag` | the special effects are horrible :D |
| 18:25.31 | Kirkburn|afk | lol |
| 18:25.48 | Kirkburn|afk | STALKER has gone gold! |
| 18:26.07 | Kirov | Yeah, I saw that |
| 18:26.17 | Kirov | That game looked freakin' amazing 6 years ago |
| 18:26.33 | Kirov | Now it looks ok. |
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| 18:31.40 | sancus | Kirk: that's pretty old! |
| 18:32.18 | Kirkburn|afk | sancus, shush, last I saw it was just a splash page :) |
| 18:33.27 | qw` | Any idea what is a good software to share internet if you can't use internet connection sharing in windows xp? |
| 18:33.40 | Shirik | *nix |
| 18:34.32 | qw` | I think if someone wrote a decent software that could handle that they'd get rich. Can't find one with google at least |
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| 18:36.36 | zenzelezz | didn't/doesn't WinGate do that? |
| 18:37.14 | qw` | WinGate. Yeah I remember that name, wasn't that two hours of configuration to get that running? |
| 18:37.32 | qw` | maybe it's better now than in the mid 90ies |
| 18:37.40 | qw` | thanks, I'll try it out |
| 18:38.01 | zenzelezz | long time since I've used it |
| 18:38.39 | qw` | yeah same here, I seem to remember I used SyGate instead of WinGate |
| 18:38.43 | Bouvi | s/here/her |
| 18:38.45 | Cairenn | lol |
| 18:38.50 | Cairenn | morning :) |
| 18:38.53 | Bouvi | I can never do that right lol |
| 18:39.00 | Bouvi | Afternoon here :) |
| 18:39.13 | Cairenn | well, afternoon here too, but yeah |
| 18:39.33 | sysrage | WEEEEEEEEEE! |
| 18:39.39 | Shirik | I'm uh... |
| 18:39.42 | Cairenn | gonads & strife |
| 18:39.55 | Shirik | at a loss to see why you would use another program when you can't use internet connection sharing? |
| 18:41.54 | qw` | Shirik - because ICS requires 192.168.0.1 to be available, which it's not |
| 18:41.55 | cogwheel|work | I asked in this #lua, but no answer yet :P PIL says: "when we access an absent field in a table[, it]triggers the interpreter to look for an __index metamethod", but other sources lead me to believe it will always try __index if the metamethod exists... which is true? |
| 18:42.29 | qw` | Shirik - which also brings up routing problems as the internet connected card on my computer is on the 192.168.0.0 / 255.255.255.0 net |
| 18:42.36 | Shirik | I'm... pretty sure you can adjust it |
| 18:42.43 | Shirik | you just can't use the wizard |
| 18:42.44 | qw` | and I can't figure out a workaround either |
| 18:43.06 | qw` | I tried googling a bit to see if I could figure something out, maybe I'll give that a new dash |
| 18:43.09 | Shirik | for example, my computer was the server and I'm pretty sure I had it set up as 192.168.1.25 |
| 18:43.15 | cogwheel|work | nevermind |
| 18:43.21 | qw` | the WinGate software requires activation so I can't use that either |
| 18:43.54 | Shirik | are you trying to say |
| 18:44.06 | Xuerian | You don't have to set your computer as 192.168.0.1 to use ICS, but indeed, the wizard will set it to that |
| 18:44.10 | Shirik | nm |
| 18:44.30 | Xuerian | I have my laptop setup as a secondary gateway in all my other computers whenever my main box goes down. |
| 18:44.56 | qw` | Xuerian - how can I stay connected to the 192.168.0.0 net and still set up ICS without using the 192.168.0.1 default IP? |
| 18:45.12 | Shirik | change your ip manually |
| 18:45.15 | Shirik | it's literally that simple |
| 18:45.24 | Xuerian | Check "Share this connection", then change your ip, just like Shirik has been saying |
| 18:45.33 | qw` | all right all right |
| 18:45.39 | Shirik | but, |
| 18:45.55 | Shirik | you will need to adjust the other computers on your network accordingly... for example if they have manual configuration |
| 18:46.04 | Shirik | they'll need to be set such that the gateway is now your new ip |
| 18:46.08 | Shirik | if you're on DHCP it won't be an issue |
| 18:46.18 | qw` | I just have one laptop that needs to connect through this computer (short CAT5 that doesn't reach the switch) |
| 18:46.36 | Shirik | woah wait |
| 18:46.47 | Shirik | you have a router... and you're trying to share the connection the router gives you? |
| 18:46.49 | Shirik | what's the ip of the router? |
| 18:47.01 | Xuerian | That computer has two nics, a nic and a modem, or a nic and wireless? |
| 18:47.18 | qw` | no I don't have a router, the guy hosting this LAN has a Smoothwall that got the 192.168.0.1 IP and he doesn't want to change it since 20+ people playing right now would have to disconnect and refresh their IP's |
| 18:47.31 | Shirik | ok |
| 18:47.39 | Shirik | you don't want to be setting up a second network on the same subnet |
| 18:47.46 | qw` | yes that's the problem |
| 18:47.52 | sysrage | lol |
| 18:48.03 | Shirik | ok then set your computer's ip to like 192.168.1.1 |
| 18:48.11 | qw` | so I need the interface the laptop is connected to to have 192.168.1.x |
| 18:48.20 | qw` | yes I know :P But ICS forces it to be 192.168.0.1 |
| 18:48.27 | sysrage | buy a longer cable! |
| 18:48.28 | Shirik | just don't use the wizard and you should be fine |
| 18:48.28 | qw` | that was the main problem |
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| 18:48.52 | Shirik | for a second I thought you were trying to set up two networks on the same subnet |
| 18:48.57 | qw` | no no |
| 18:48.58 | qw` | :P |
| 18:48.58 | Shirik | which doesn't make computers very happy |
| 18:49.11 | qw` | just a bit of miscommunication |
| 18:49.34 | Shirik | yeah but same story; just adjust your computer's ip accordingly and you should be perfectly ok |
| 18:49.58 | sysrage | i'm amused you're double natting. buy a switch or a longer cable |
| 18:50.09 | qw` | I'm stubborn =/ |
| 18:50.22 | Xuerian | qw: if you're worried about problems with setting your computer to another IP *before* you get the chance to change it to something else, why not just disconnect physically, do it, reconnect? This of course is if you're not going to do the simple/smart/easy thing, and do what Sysrage says. |
| 18:50.41 | Shirik | yeah |
| 18:50.50 | Shirik | the simple/smart/easy thing to do is go grab a cable |
| 18:50.57 | qw` | but there is no extra cable |
| 18:51.03 | Shirik | ok grab a hub/switch |
| 18:51.05 | qw` | I just have this super short one |
| 18:51.09 | qw` | and no extra switch / hub either |
| 18:51.09 | Shirik | peferably a hub |
| 18:51.22 | Shirik | do you live within 30 miles of a best buy? |
| 18:51.25 | sysrage | o_O switch > hub |
| 18:51.27 | Xuerian | Or walmart |
| 18:51.29 | qw` | yes actually, I live in Norway |
| 18:51.32 | Xuerian | or any store |
| 18:51.50 | qw` | a store with a CAT5 cable would be 30min drive from here at least |
| 18:51.52 | Shirik | yeah but the router at the base of the lan might not be happy with a switch :P I have no knowledge of what he's using |
| 18:52.18 | Shirik | a hub is simple plug-and-play, switch might force more configuration |
| 18:52.42 | sysrage | simple switches are just as plug and play as a hub. and won't cause collisions |
| 18:53.01 | Shirik | most switches I've seen sold in retail stores these days come with a dhcp server in them by default |
| 18:53.11 | sysrage | that's a router, not a switch |
| 18:53.15 | Shirik | which doesn't technically make it a switch |
| 18:53.16 | qw` | I just set the interface connected to the laptop to 192.168.1.1 / 24 and going to set the laptop to 192.168.1.2 /24 with .1 as GW, and you mean the XP will automagically NAT this traffic without using the wizard? |
| 18:53.16 | Shirik | bah you beat me |
| 18:53.22 | Shirik | but they call it a switch nonetheless |
| 18:53.25 | pastamancer | you have to try really hard to find a "hub" that isn't really a switch |
| 18:53.48 | Shirik | I'm not using the "technical" definitions here I'm using the retail world's definitions, which, albeit, is typically very wrong |
| 18:53.56 | Shirik | just like a "cpu" is not made by compaq |
| 18:54.12 | Xuerian | And the tower is not a "Modem" |
| 18:54.15 | Xuerian | >.> |
| 18:54.16 | Shirik | lol |
| 18:54.33 | Shirik | I used to work computer sales |
| 18:54.35 | Shirik | it made me cringe |
| 18:54.38 | Shirik | every time I read something |
| 18:54.43 | Shirik | and some of the things people said |
| 18:54.48 | sysrage | every retail store i've been too calls a router a router, a switch a switch, and a hub a hub.. |
| 18:54.52 | sysrage | all very different things |
| 18:54.55 | qw` | IKEA (a big furniture store in Euro) still got stickers on desks saying "Can fit extra large harddisks" meaning the tower =/ |
| 18:54.55 | Shirik | but you learn to deal with it... I gave up correcting people saying "UBS" |
| 18:55.24 | Kirkburn|afk | An interesting little snippet from a Hellgate: London preview coming up - an idea Blizz had for WC2 at one point : |
| 18:55.32 | Xuerian | It's not so much the stores that call things by other names, but the people coming to buy things from your store that drives you nuts |
| 18:55.32 | Kirkburn|afk | After the first Warcraft and when we were talking about Warcraft II, there was an idea for about a week where we'd open another portal open and have the Orcs invade the modern-day world. We had this whole cut-scene we were talking about where it was going to be dragons and F-16s and firefights and stuff. And we were like, "Man, that's going to be weird. That's going to suck. That's not going to be Warcraft." |
| 18:56.22 | Xuerian | Command & Conquer: The Orc Wars |
| 18:57.01 | qw` | But, I just set the interface connected to the laptop to 192.168.1.1 / 24 and going to set the laptop to 192.168.1.2 /24 with .1 as GW, and you mean the XP will automagically NAT this traffic without using the wizard? |
| 18:57.11 | Xuerian | qw: Have you *tried* it? |
| 18:57.14 | qw` | working on it |
| 18:57.18 | qw` | it's hard reaching over to the laptop |
| 18:57.37 | qw` | nope not working |
| 18:58.19 | Shirik | ping them |
| 18:58.26 | qw` | yes done that |
| 18:58.30 | Shirik | and they work? |
| 18:58.35 | qw` | tried pinging the 192.168.0.1 GW |
| 18:58.36 | qw` | no |
| 18:58.51 | Shirik | no, ping 192.168.1.2 from your desktop |
| 18:58.58 | qw` | that's the laptop |
| 18:59.01 | Shirik | yes |
| 18:59.02 | qw` | 192.168.1.1 is the GW |
| 18:59.05 | qw` | of course that works |
| 18:59.05 | Shirik | oh |
| 18:59.20 | Shirik | your gateway is your desktop correct? |
| 18:59.32 | qw` | yes |
| 18:59.43 | Shirik | and you can ping your laptop (192.168.1.2) from your desktop, correct? |
| 19:00.05 | Shirik | 13:59:16 ‹qw`› of course that works <-- is not very true if you have firewalls or something similar blocking the connection |
| 19:00.12 | Shirik | that's why I said you should try it |
| 19:00.16 | qw` | Laptop (192.168.1.2) -> (192.168.1.1) PC (192.168.0.x) -> (192.168.0.1) router -> internet |
| 19:00.41 | qw` | It fails on the PC because it's not NAT'ing |
| 19:00.59 | Shirik | So what you're saying is you can't ping 192.168.1.2 from your desktop |
| 19:01.21 | qw` | I can ping the PC from the Laptop and the Laptop from the PC but I can't ping 192.168.0.1 from the Laptop |
| 19:01.38 | Shirik | it would be so much easier if you would answer the questions directly >< but ok... so we've got that much |
| 19:01.46 | Shirik | can your pc ping 192.168.0.1? |
| 19:01.52 | qw` | yes |
| 19:02.01 | Shirik | (assuming you're connected means nothing - the router may not accept pings) |
| 19:02.08 | qw` | it accepts ICMP |
| 19:02.37 | qw` | bridging? Where did bridging enter the picture? |
| 19:02.45 | Shirik | about 10 seconds ago |
| 19:02.50 | Xuerian | Turning your desktop into a extension cable? :) |
| 19:03.17 | Shirik | well that's essentially what he's trying to do |
| 19:03.46 | Xuerian | Yeah, I just haven't really ever had a circumstance where I needed to do it, so I'm not sure what xp would do in that circumstance, it certainly has the option |
| 19:03.55 | Shirik | how did your laptop get the ip 192.168.1.2? |
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| 19:04.01 | Shirik | how did your laptop get the ip 192.168.1.2? |
| 19:04.12 | qw^ | I just bridged the connections and got disconnected |
| 19:04.17 | Shirik | heh |
| 19:04.25 | Shirik | that answers that question |
| 19:04.26 | Xuerian | Still bridged at the moment? |
| 19:04.30 | Shirik | did you manual assign your laptop? |
| 19:04.32 | qw^ | yes, that's the interesting thing |
| 19:04.37 | qw^ | I'm still bridging |
| 19:04.47 | Xuerian | set your latop to 192.168.0.x |
| 19:04.51 | qw^ | which is strange since bridging should reduce my computer to a Layer 2 switch |
| 19:04.52 | Xuerian | See if it can see the rest of the network |
| 19:04.52 | Shirik | well it would logically disconnect you temporarily |
| 19:05.10 | Shirik | hey |
| 19:05.16 | Shirik | microsoft doesn't do anything right |
| 19:05.22 | Shirik | always keep that in mind when you work with windows |
| 19:05.25 | qw^ | ok hold on, setting Dynamic IP on laptop (which should work now) |
| 19:05.37 | Shirik | it should have worked before |
| 19:05.42 | Xuerian | Not really |
| 19:05.46 | Shirik | ICS sets up a DHCP |
| 19:05.50 | Shirik | server |
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| 19:05.59 | qw^ | I'm not using ICS since you said I shouldn't use the Wizard |
| 19:06.06 | Shirik | you're using ICS without the wizard |
| 19:06.09 | Shirik | well you were |
| 19:06.26 | sysrage | probably have 2 DHCP servers on your network now too :) |
| 19:06.27 | qw^ | How .. uhm I just have a checkbox in my internet connection that says "Share internet through this computer" and when I check that it fails |
| 19:06.30 | Xuerian | Let's just see if bridging works <.< |
| 19:06.43 | qw^ | hah yes it does |
| 19:06.43 | Shirik | That would be the ICS part |
| 19:06.54 | Shirik | yey |
| 19:06.58 | Shirik | well at least the problem is solved |
| 19:06.58 | qw^ | My laptop can now ping a FQDN |
| 19:07.03 | qw^ | yes it is :D |
| 19:07.14 | qw^ | awesomest |
| 19:07.20 | Shirik | in any case, the wizard just makes ICS easier. It isn't _required_ for ICS, but you can use it |
| 19:07.20 | qw^ | Thanks a bunch |
| 19:07.25 | Shirik | but yey :) |
| 19:07.37 | sysrage | your 'solution' is honestly making me sick to my stomach. go knock on doors. surely somebody has cat5 longer than 1 foot |
| 19:07.39 | qw^ | Now I can go back to playing WoW effectively with WoWhead on the laptop |
| 19:07.52 | Xuerian | shirk is right, the "windows doesn't do things the right way" is inversely affective, some things that shouldn't work, do :D |
| 19:08.08 | Xuerian | They just make sysops hurl <.< |
| 19:08.10 | qw^ | haha yeah it's a hackysack solution, but it works :P And less cable clutter |
| 19:12.31 | Shirik | rofl |
| 19:12.36 | Shirik | ‹Read error: 148 (No route to host)› |
| 19:12.42 | Shirik | .. oops |
| 19:12.43 | Xuerian | We never said it worked perfectly. |
| 19:12.46 | Xuerian | :p |
| 19:12.49 | Shirik | oh wait that was his ghost I think |
| 19:13.01 | Xuerian | Ah, yeah, ` not ^ |
| 19:14.40 | qw^ | Yeah :P |
| 19:15.12 | qw^ | That's the one that got disconnected when I bridged |
| 19:15.42 | Shirik | In which case it is nice to prove that the IRC errors specified are indeed accurate |
| 19:15.55 | Shirik | because it is true that there is indeed no longer a route to that client |
| 19:16.33 | qw^ | makes you wonder what is really behind the "Connection to peer timed out" |
| 19:16.38 | Shirik | however it has reappeared along a different route (i.e., your newly bridged connection) |
| 19:17.05 | qw^ | Well technically it's the same route for the IRC server since all it sees is the interface on the smoothwall |
| 19:17.30 | qw^ | maybe NAT gave that status message |
| 19:17.39 | Shirik | true, but when it tried to contact qw`, the smoothwall reported back that there was no way to get to it |
| 19:18.43 | Shirik | probably ICMP, there is a code for destination unreachable |
| 19:19.27 | Shirik | ICMP type 3 code 1: Destination host unreachable |
| 19:20.04 | qw^ | By the way, if you have a laptop / PC combo like me you should try out Synergy, it's a softswitch keyboard / mouse that lets you use the laptop as an extended desktop |
| 19:20.24 | qw^ | Works on *nix, Mac and Win |
| 19:24.08 | Xuerian | Saw a link to that earlier on that guy with the gigantic desktop setup's page that's been circulating the net.... >.> |
| 19:25.20 | Xuerian | ( http://www.stefandidak.com/office/index.php ) |
| 19:25.25 | qw^ | :P just going to ask |
| 19:25.32 | qw^ | err was just about to ask |
| 19:25.40 | qw^ | norwegianification of english |
| 19:36.46 | AnduinLothar | Bump Me plx! http://wow-en.curse-gaming.com/other/1008/wow-addon-author-survey/ |
| 19:41.10 | Shirik | cold. |
| 19:41.26 | AnduinLothar | purl, lart sysrage |
| 19:41.49 | AnduinLothar | take that! |
| 19:42.06 | sysrage | heh |
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| 19:42.36 | _Grem_ | Does anyone have an addon example on how to read data from a Tooltip ? |
| 19:43.13 | Bouvi | Bumpbed |
| 19:43.36 | Bouvi | s/Bumpbed/Bumped |
| 19:43.47 | AnduinLothar | Sea.wow.tooltip.scan |
| 19:43.50 | Bouvi | I can never remember the purl command grrrr |
| 19:44.03 | AnduinLothar | not really efficient, but you can see how it's done at least |
| 19:44.11 | _Grem_ | Thanks Anduin |
| 19:44.17 | Shirik | it's s/old/new/ |
| 19:44.21 | Shirik | you forgot the ending / ;) |
| 19:44.32 | Bouvi | Doh |
| 19:44.50 | Bouvi | s/Doh/Dang It/ |
| 19:51.38 | Cairenn | lol |
| 19:52.02 | Bouvi | :) |
| 19:52.52 | Cairenn | *visions of a cat batting Bouvi's eyeballs around between its paws* |
| 19:53.08 | Bouvi | Ouch |
| 19:55.24 | Bouvi | 2 more hours. God I am going to die of boredom. What a slow week at work. |
| 19:56.30 | Shirik | slow weeks are good |
| 19:58.03 | Bouvi | Not when I am bored out of my mind |
| 19:58.16 | Bouvi | s/mind/skull!!/ |
| 19:58.53 | Shirik | do what I do |
| 19:59.03 | Shirik | break out your favorite IDE and start solving problems |
| 19:59.18 | Shirik | like why the hell my list isn't showing the appropriate data |
| 19:59.52 | Bouvi | I am too brain dead to do much right now lol. I think I will sit here and drool until time to go teach. |
| 20:01.10 | Shirik | nm I figured it out |
| 20:02.56 | Corrodias | looks like the PTR notes got an update |
| 20:03.04 | Bouvi | *drool* |
| 20:03.41 | Corrodias | no changes for druids, but priests get some buffs |
| 20:04.38 | Shirik | any mac/*nix users on right now? |
| 20:05.01 | Tem | down with fruit! |
| 20:05.09 | sysrage | i use linux, but not for wow |
| 20:05.10 | Shirik | agreed, but I still have to make this work for them |
| 20:05.20 | Shirik | yeah it wouldn't make any sense without wow >< |
| 20:05.26 | Shirik | all it would do is tell you that you have no addons |
| 20:08.15 | Bouvi | I use a Mac |
| 20:08.24 | Bouvi | At work |
| 20:08.28 | Bouvi | For WoW |
| 20:08.43 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Nargiddley (n=narg@203-97-236-74.cable.telstraclear.net) |
| 20:08.51 | Shirik | (1) do you have current access to wow on this mac, and (2) do you have the capability of running a java program on it? |
| 20:09.11 | Shirik | (3) do you trust me enough to do that |
| 20:09.36 | Bouvi | WoW is current but I am at work and prob cannot run it unless it is lunch time. |
| 20:09.52 | Shirik | bleh |
| 20:10.18 | Bouvi | Sorry something about them wanting me to work and not play WoW. For the life of me I cannot understand why. |
| 20:10.24 | Shirik | lol |
| 20:10.50 | Bouvi | Of course the real pisser is I do not have any work to do LOL |
| 20:13.52 | Shirik | ... |
| 20:14.07 | Shirik | 15:12:26 ‹Keffo› you wanna get lua into a cellphone? |
| 20:14.22 | Shirik | man, I joined #Math and they started talking about some 32nd dimensional crap |
| 20:14.27 | Shirik | I joined #Lua and they're talking about this |
| 20:14.29 | Cairenn | time to organize your paper clips by size, weight and condition |
| 20:14.32 | Shirik | why is everything over my head >< |
| 20:15.02 | Shirik | I organize my paper clips by color... |
| 20:15.31 | Bouvi | I only have one size and weight and all are in pretty good condition. |
| 20:15.38 | Shirik | color? |
| 20:15.52 | Bouvi | All silver/gray whatever that plain color is |
| 20:16.03 | Bouvi | Chrome |
| 20:16.04 | Shirik | are you sure? |
| 20:16.11 | Shirik | they could be differing shades of chrome |
| 20:16.13 | Bouvi | I have 7 |
| 20:16.18 | Shirik | you only have 7?! |
| 20:16.22 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 20:16.38 | Bouvi | Yeah I have very little use for them here. |
| 20:16.49 | Shirik | yeah... kinda like me |
| 20:17.04 | Shirik | I broke my stapler a couple of weeks ago and I cba to fix it because, to be quite honest |
| 20:17.10 | Shirik | I staple maybe one thing of papers a month |
| 20:17.11 | Bouvi | Wife is at home today not working too..... |
| 20:17.15 | Shirik | everything I do is electronic |
| 20:17.35 | Bouvi | Makes sex rough I bet |
| 20:17.48 | Shirik | .. |
| 20:17.53 | sysrage | have you seen my stapler? |
| 20:18.03 | Shirik | um... no? |
| 20:18.12 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Grine (n=Gustaf@h235n3c1o285.bredband.skanova.com) |
| 20:18.17 | Grine | anyone here use oCD? |
| 20:18.20 | Shirik | shouldn't you hope that I haven't? |
| 20:18.28 | Shirik | if I did it would be scary |
| 20:18.33 | Shirik | er... that was directed at sysrage |
| 20:18.35 | Shirik | not grine >< |
| 20:18.40 | sysrage | if you don't know what that's from, you fail at life |
| 20:18.48 | Shirik | is that the office? |
| 20:18.58 | sysrage | office space |
| 20:18.59 | Shirik | haven't seen it |
| 20:19.01 | Shirik | whatever |
| 20:19.03 | Shirik | same thing |
| 20:19.06 | Shirik | I don't watch movies |
| 20:19.10 | sysrage | you're missing out. damn good movie |
| 20:19.21 | Shirik | last movie I saw I think was howl's moving castle |
| 20:25.06 | Tem | Shirik, you need to watch office space |
| 20:25.21 | Tem | in fact, I thought that was one of the requirements for entering this channel |
| 20:25.22 | Shirik | the only time I even turn on the tv is for futurama and family guy |
| 20:25.38 | sysrage | download it and watch on the computer :P |
| 20:25.41 | Cairenn | Tem: ummmm |
| 20:25.43 | Shirik | oh and when my phone is being spammed with tornado warnings |
| 20:25.47 | Tem | what's your proffession, Shirik? |
| 20:25.55 | Tem | Cairenn, you *must* see it |
| 20:25.55 | Shirik | that's a very interesting question |
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| 20:26.08 | Tem | Shirik, what do you do for a living |
| 20:26.12 | Tem | what pays the bills |
| 20:26.15 | sysrage | you'd love it cairenn |
| 20:26.16 | Shirik | haha |
| 20:26.19 | Shirik | you don't want me to answer that |
| 20:26.26 | Shirik | but I'm caught in a mix of being a student and working for two companies |
| 20:26.27 | sysrage | gigalo? |
| 20:26.39 | Tem | Shirik, what do you do for those companies? |
| 20:26.41 | Cairenn | lol, sysrage went exactly where my mind did too |
| 20:26.43 | Shirik | program various things |
| 20:26.45 | Tem | (hope you say programming) |
| 20:26.46 | Tem | good |
| 20:26.51 | Tem | now, go watch Office Space |
| 20:27.00 | Shirik | hmm |
| 20:27.03 | Shirik | ok I'll see what I can do |
| 20:27.04 | Tem | seriously |
| 20:27.22 | Shirik | and no, the answer to that question would be my parents, not gigalo >< |
| 20:27.25 | Tem | open a torrent start downloading it |
| 20:27.33 | Tem | and go to walmart for some popcorn |
| 20:27.40 | Shirik | um |
| 20:27.41 | Tem | and maybe some depends |
| 20:27.46 | Tem | because you might piss yourself laughing |
| 20:27.46 | Shirik | I don't know of a walmart near me >< |
| 20:28.11 | Shirik | but publix I can do |
| 20:29.18 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Xenok (n=kco41@74-136-6-34.dhcp.insightbb.com) |
| 20:29.53 | Xenok | uhh. how do I make a collapsable list? |
| 20:30.02 | Tem | with great skill and effort |
| 20:30.10 | Shuddertrix | steady hands |
| 20:30.22 | Xenok | like the quest frame |
| 20:30.23 | Tem | or great difficulty and pained beating your head against the desk |
| 20:30.33 | Tem | either will do, but I don't suggest the second |
| 20:30.37 | Xenok | heh |
| 20:30.46 | Xenok | questlog I mean |
| 20:31.07 | Tem | lool at how the questlog does it? |
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| 20:31.28 | Tem | no, that's not fair, I can't pawn you off on blizzard code |
| 20:31.36 | Shirik | sure you can |
| 20:31.38 | Tem | plus, the questlog cheats |
| 20:31.41 | Xenok | lol |
| 20:31.45 | Tem | just like the tradeskill frame |
| 20:31.54 | Shirik | I never actually bothered to look at how they do it |
| 20:32.00 | Shirik | actually I'm curious so I'm gonna have to go find out now |
| 20:32.16 | Tem | all of those header lines, report as type "header" in the API |
| 20:32.41 | Tem | so when you try to select them, their OnClick calls a Collapse API |
| 20:32.55 | Tem | which removes the stuff under them from the list altogether |
| 20:33.03 | Tem | so they just change the + to a - |
| 20:33.10 | Tem | er, other way around |
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| 20:33.12 | Tem | but you get the idea |
| 20:33.13 | Xenok | I want to make a frame.. with the list of the 3 contenents (outlands, kalimador, eastern kingdoms) then in each contentent .. each zone.. |
| 20:34.05 | Xenok | quite a task I know |
| 20:34.15 | Shirik | I could tell you how I think I'd do it |
| 20:34.22 | Shirik | but I'd probably shoot myself at the same time |
| 20:34.27 | Xenok | lol whys that? |
| 20:34.31 | Tem | damn |
| 20:34.33 | Shirik | because |
| 20:34.36 | Shirik | it involves making something like |
| 20:34.48 | Shirik | one frame for each continent, one frame for each zone, one frame for each subzone |
| 20:34.59 | Tem | why on *earth* would you do that? |
| 20:35.07 | Shirik | like I said |
| 20:35.08 | Shirik | I'd shoot myself |
| 20:35.11 | Xenok | hehe |
| 20:35.16 | Corrodias | indeed, it's MUCH better one jupiter |
| 20:35.17 | Tem | I call shenanigans on that one |
| 20:35.26 | Shirik | at the same time |
| 20:35.33 | Shirik | I'd let VFL handle it for me if I had the VFL library installed :P |
| 20:35.46 | Xenok | I want to make a mod that bookmarks the target into a catagory related to the current zone |
| 20:35.47 | Tem | VFL? |
| 20:36.02 | Shirik | a library which really can't be called a library because it was written with only one mod in mind |
| 20:36.06 | Shirik | but it exists nonetheless |
| 20:36.17 | Tem | what's it do? |
| 20:36.20 | Shirik | it was a library written for one addon |
| 20:36.29 | Tem | what's it do? |
| 20:36.31 | amro | I just received a "gtg" from someone I've never IM'ed. I hate Yahoo Messenger. |
| 20:36.45 | Shirik | honestly, not much more than setting up dynamic framepools and managing them seamlessly |
| 20:36.49 | Tem | I hate almost all chat protocals |
| 20:36.54 | Shirik | and making UIs easier to set up |
| 20:37.16 | Shirik | note I said UIs not addons |
| 20:37.31 | amro | for some reason I keep getting IMs from people from southeast asia |
| 20:37.33 | Tem | okay, I'm sick of waiting for feedback to my feedback to feedback |
| 20:37.34 | Xenok | where do I go to learn the thing I want to know? |
| 20:38.06 | Tem | Someone read my comment and give me an opinion: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6948-TradeTabs.html |
| 20:38.35 | Tem | Xenok, this would be the right place |
| 20:38.37 | Corrodias | i see no "Tem" comment |
| 20:38.48 | Xenok | lol |
| 20:38.54 | Corrodias | that's more like it |
| 20:38.55 | Shirik | fyi |
| 20:39.06 | Shirik | moveanything doesn't show trade widnows in combat BECAUSE it causes taints |
| 20:39.16 | tardmrr | oh I know |
| 20:39.16 | Corrodias | looks like an author's comment to me, is all |
| 20:39.44 | tardmrr | I just decided to not mention that moveanything is a wrecking ball of taint |
| 20:40.34 | tardmrr | Corrodias, I asked a question in my comment, and I'm curious what people think before I move forward with the project |
| 20:40.41 | tardmrr | which I'd like to be doing right now |
| 20:40.56 | Bouvi | http://www.metacafe.com/watch/421907/truiump_the_insult_comic_dog/ |
| 20:40.59 | Shirik | there, I added a comment |
| 20:41.12 | tardmrr | oh you didn't have to do that |
| 20:41.22 | Shirik | also what was your question? |
| 20:41.24 | Xenok | And I would like to know how to make a collapsable list O.o |
| 20:41.39 | tardmrr | did you like, read my comment? |
| 20:41.43 | Xenok | me? |
| 20:42.02 | tardmrr | Xenok, no, that was @ Shirik |
| 20:42.15 | Xenok | oh my bad |
| 20:42.37 | Shirik | edited slightly to clarify something as well ^^ |
| 20:42.41 | Shirik | hey I defend fellow coders |
| 20:43.20 | Xenok | soo where would I look on how to make a collapsable list? v.v |
| 20:43.22 | tardmrr | Your conjecture about identifiying which is the proper addon is incorrect |
| 20:43.24 | Shirik | and yeah I read your comment |
| 20:43.53 | tardmrr | the only new api we're getting in 2.1.0 wrt to that is the additional return from issecurevariable |
| 20:44.02 | Shirik | yup |
| 20:44.09 | tardmrr | which only tells us what addon tainted "this" variable the first time |
| 20:44.28 | Shirik | I fail to see why that wouldn't identify the addon that is causing a taint |
| 20:44.29 | tardmrr | that doesn't do anything to tell you what caused a particular ADDON_BLOCKED or ADDON_FORBIDDEN message |
| 20:44.31 | Shirik | oh |
| 20:44.33 | Shirik | that's not what I meant |
| 20:44.55 | Shirik | but if you get an ADDON_BLOCKED message, you should be able to identify the variable that is problematic, thus allowing you to use issecurevariable() |
| 20:45.06 | tardmrr | not always |
| 20:45.15 | tardmrr | in a simple confined case, sure |
| 20:45.17 | Shirik | I um |
| 20:45.22 | Shirik | also still don't see a question :/ I've reread it too |
| 20:45.34 | Shirik | oh this part: . If people in those locales could drop me a line to let me know if it works/doesn't, I'd apreciate it! |
| 20:45.36 | Shirik | ? |
| 20:45.42 | tardmrr | no |
| 20:45.52 | Shirik | OH! |
| 20:45.52 | tardmrr | Second paragraph, last sentence |
| 20:45.55 | Shirik | got it >.> |
| 20:45.55 | Xenok | quite from tem -"I'm still thinking on whether it would be worth the effort to implement it. What do you guys think?" |
| 20:46.36 | tardmrr | Xenok, the gist of it is you make a normal scrollable list and exclude elements from it based on whether that header is collapsed or not |
| 20:46.47 | tardmrr | Xenok, there's no easy way, you have to manage it yourself |
| 20:47.00 | Xenok | eep |
| 20:47.22 | subbot | Is it possible to hide the texture associated with the default blizzard action bars? The ugly grey texture. I want to hide it, but I don't want to download a bar mod. |
| 20:47.24 | Bouvi | CRAP I forgot the whole LotR play last weekend *cry* |
| 20:47.34 | Bouvi | s/CRAP/DARN/ |
| 20:47.44 | Xenok | LOL bouvi |
| 20:48.15 | Cairenn | rofl, moron |
| 20:48.15 | tardmrr | subbot, it's not possible without an addon (or a macro that you run each time you start wow) |
| 20:48.27 | subbot | That's not a problem. |
| 20:48.34 | Bouvi | Sure make fun of The Bouvi. sniff |
| 20:49.01 | Shirik | here's my response: "In my opinion, "hacky" code is usually more trouble than it's worth. Perhaps prevent the tradeskill window from being opened if it hasn't been initialized yet? I doubt there are many uses for opening the tradeskill window mid-combat, especially if it's the first time it's been opened since login. That fixes your problem. Honestly, it's not really your "job" to be fixing other addons' problems... but of course that |
| 20:49.09 | Cairenn | Bouvi: my daughter says: "Idiot" |
| 20:49.16 | TC_Working | heh |
| 20:49.20 | subbot | Im just wondering if it's something I can do in a few lines of code in my own addon, rather than having to use Bongos/Bartender/whatever. |
| 20:49.22 | tardmrr | subbot, then I'd try hiding MainMenuBarArtFrame |
| 20:49.29 | tardmrr | I'm not sure if that's even the right name |
| 20:49.35 | tardmrr | it's memory + guess |
| 20:49.43 | Cairenn | go through all the bother of getting it downloaded and installed, and then forget? lol |
| 20:49.55 | Bouvi | I forgot to download it too. |
| 20:50.05 | tardmrr | and even if it's right, it might be the parent of the rest of it |
| 20:50.10 | Cairenn | oh, well, in that case - rofl, 1/2 moron |
| 20:50.18 | tardmrr | so you'd need more inventive methods of hiding the art |
| 20:50.27 | tardmrr | but there are LOADS of bar-art hider addons |
| 20:50.32 | tardmrr | find one and see how they did it |
| 20:50.41 | Bouvi | I had to prepare for a Black Belt test I am running tomorrow, the upcoming national conference that I am master of ceremony and trying to get Exaulted with every rep in WoW |
| 20:50.58 | Cairenn | lol |
| 20:51.17 | Bouvi | Of course by the time I got around to WoW I got a whole 2k rep |
| 20:51.29 | Cairenn | The first two sound good. The last one? rofl |
| 20:51.48 | Bouvi | I want some of the cool patterns and mounts |
| 20:52.01 | tardmrr | I think you just want your armory page to look cool |
| 20:52.02 | *** join/#wowi-lounge sergio_ (n=sp@unaffiliated/sergio) |
| 20:53.00 | Bouvi | That site does not work for me right now for some reason. Just sits at loading with a white screen. |
| 20:53.22 | Shirik | think about the stress they have on the server with an app like tat |
| 20:53.24 | Shirik | honestly I'm not suprised |
| 20:53.49 | Shirik | actually, it's working fine for me ^^; |
| 20:53.49 | Bouvi | Ahhh does not work with Firefox but does with Safari |
| 20:53.51 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Jocco_S (n=jocco@217-210-128-16-no18.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 20:53.57 | Shirik | .. and I'm using firefox |
| 20:53.59 | Shirik | maybe a mac thing |
| 20:54.11 | tardmrr | lol, they say it's supposed to work *best* with firefox |
| 20:54.16 | tardmrr | but yes, I bet it's a fruit issue |
| 20:54.30 | Shirik | it's showing my crappy stats flawlessly |
| 20:54.34 | tardmrr | in fact, I'd put money on it being a fruit issue |
| 20:54.45 | Bouvi | WTF there are other people named Bouvi. This is just not right. |
| 20:55.05 | Bouvi | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:55.22 | Bouvi | http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Stormrage&n=Bouvi |
| 20:55.31 | Shirik | *runs to Eredar to make a Bouvi* |
| 20:56.15 | subbot | All these ArtHiders that i'm looking at just hide the Gryphons :\ |
| 20:56.19 | Bouvi | There can be only one. www.bouvi.com |
| 20:56.20 | Bouvi | See |
| 20:56.34 | Shirik | *runs to make a www.bouvi.net * |
| 20:57.10 | Bouvi | If you click on my guild the first toon in the guild is my wifes :) |
| 20:59.06 | Shirik | wtf |
| 20:59.11 | Shirik | it's... bad when |
| 20:59.17 | Shirik | you see someone from your guild post on the forums |
| 20:59.22 | Shirik | and you say to yourself "who the hell is that" |
| 21:01.01 | Shadowed | Bouvi odd spec |
| 21:01.09 | Shadowed | pvper? |
| 21:01.20 | Bouvi | PvE mostly |
| 21:01.41 | Shadowed | why get Nerves of Steel over Ruthlessness/Relentless trikes |
| 21:01.46 | Cairenn | Bouvi: look at how many other Cairenns there are :p |
| 21:01.48 | Shadowed | or blade twisting at that! |
| 21:02.37 | Gryphen | No Search Results for Cairenns |
| 21:02.37 | Bouvi | I had those and this build seems to do better DPS not sure why but it does. |
| 21:02.40 | Gryphen | :) |
| 21:02.55 | Shadowed | Bouvi thats not possible o.o |
| 21:03.41 | Bouvi | Maybe not but against the same mobs doing the same stuff I am sustaining a slightly higher DPS. Does not make sense to me either and I spent more than enough money tweeking it. |
| 21:04.35 | Cairenn | Gryphen: ;) |
| 21:05.14 | Bouvi | And the stun and fear resist has come in handy quite a bit. So I weighed getting an extra combo point vs this and chose the fear/stun resist. |
| 21:05.30 | Shadowed | ahh |
| 21:06.41 | Bouvi | And the 8 sec daze is nice as it keeps me from getting hit so I can maintain the DPS and get a quicker kill. Seems I lose a little bit when I get hit. |
| 21:07.34 | Shadowed | I can't think of many mobs in the 10/25 mans that are kitable though |
| 21:08.18 | Shadowed | anyway, if you're being hit by the mob because you took aggro. keep going is an easy way to die :p |
| 21:08.41 | Bouvi | I am thinking solo |
| 21:08.48 | Shadowed | ahh |
| 21:09.03 | Bouvi | I am VERY good at aggro management when grouped. I had to learn fighting Vael. |
| 21:09.28 | Shadowed | Firemaw was more fun then Vael! |
| 21:09.52 | Bouvi | I enjoyed all of BWL. |
| 21:10.28 | Shadowed | I never really liked it, the suppresion room was fun though |
| 21:10.31 | Bouvi | As far as my spec, etc I have never been one of the norm. I go fist because it is different and have my own playstyle. It is just personal pref for me. |
| 21:10.46 | zenzelezz | I loved BWL and Naxx |
| 21:10.46 | Shadowed | at least they itemized fists better |
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| 21:11.06 | Shadowed | yeah I liked Naxx too, but I was doing a lot of tanking then and wasn't on my Rogue |
| 21:11.20 | Bouvi | Yeah but they need to work on the freaking graphics. All the other trial rewards look cool but the fist looks like brass knuckles. |
| 21:11.38 | Bouvi | Never made it to Naxx the guild I was in disbanded and the one I am in now is more casual. |
| 21:16.46 | JoshBorke | i had a shadow priest tell me that Mind Control was a waste of time :-( (it was disc/holy priest [me], prot warrior, shadow priest, rogue, resto druid group) |
| 21:18.01 | sysrage | heh. me a lock and a priest used to 3 man scholo with MC |
| 21:18.57 | JoshBorke | lol, nice |
| 21:22.30 | sysrage | *sigh* curse changes their page layout slightly enough every few days just to break WUU i think |
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| 21:39.13 | bleetah | baaaa! |
| 21:39.55 | TC_Working | mmm...sheep sexin |
| 21:39.57 | bleetah | adultsheepfinder.com mmmmmmm |
| 21:40.04 | TC_Working | heh |
| 21:40.25 | TC_Working | but they are mostly in the midwest, so hard to find on the west coast |
| 21:40.41 | bleetah | hey, least you can *drive* |
| 21:40.55 | bleetah | I'm in Tasmania, most of the closest are in New Zealand |
| 21:41.00 | bleetah | bugger of a long way to swim |
| 21:41.06 | Shirik | heh |
| 21:41.08 | TC_Working | raft |
| 21:41.30 | bleetah | guy died last week trying to be the first to kayak it |
| 21:42.10 | TC_Working | ok, scratch the raft, cruise ship it |
| 21:43.12 | TC_Working | http://www.tshirthell.com/store/product.php?productid=492 |
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| 21:44.12 | bleetah | lies |
| 21:45.53 | TC_Working | hardly |
| 21:46.58 | Shirik | purl, poke cogwheel|work |
| 21:47.08 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind cogwheel|work, pokes cogwheel|work repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 21:47.08 | cogwheel|work | yo |
| 21:47.14 | Shirik | where did your sticky go |
| 21:47.34 | cogwheel|work | I renamed it "Macro Intro & FAQ - READ 1ST" :P |
| 21:47.50 | Shirik | oh >< |
| 21:47.51 | Shirik | thanks |
| 21:49.03 | zenzelezz | cogwheel|work: too tricky, needs a more obvious name |
| 21:49.35 | TC_Working | should finish with READ 1ST or DIE |
| 21:50.05 | mahiro | hi |
| 21:50.06 | cogwheel|work | heh |
| 21:50.12 | Gryphen | he3ya |
| 21:51.05 | mahiro | when i save options as a table how can i make the addon load the saved table and not the default one? |
| 21:52.16 | *** join/#wowi-lounge FisherManPL (n=chatzill@212.244.86.1) |
| 21:52.29 | FisherManPL | hello all |
| 21:52.30 | Shirik | how do you have your default table? |
| 21:52.37 | Shirik | is it like local a = {blah blah} |
| 21:52.37 | Shirik | ? |
| 21:52.42 | Shirik | er, not local, but yeah |
| 21:54.13 | mahiro | yes something like that |
| 21:54.13 | Shirik | I'm assuming you have that at the top of the file |
| 21:54.13 | Shirik | one of the first things when the Lua script is run? |
| 21:54.13 | Shirik | instead, do something like |
| 21:54.13 | Shirik | a = a or {whatever default table} |
| 21:54.13 | Shirik | if it's not in the saved table, then a will be nil, so it will choose the default table. If it /is/ a saved table, then it will not be nil, and use the saved table. |
| 21:55.01 | Shirik | your SavedVariables file will be parsed automatically; it's not something you need to worry about. What you /do/ need to worry about is the fact that you aren't overwriting it, because the first thing your addon will do when loaded is load the saved variables file, if it exists |
| 21:55.34 | mahiro | ya i noticed that^^ |
| 21:56.13 | mahiro | so instead of a={bla} i write a=a or {bla} ? |
| 21:58.39 | Shirik | yup |
| 21:58.50 | Shirik | (sorry for delayed response, needed to get lunch ^^) |
| 21:59.09 | Shirik | what that really is is basically a shortened version of |
| 21:59.27 | Shirik | if (a == nil) then a = {bla}; else a = a; |
| 21:59.51 | dieck | hi there -- I just tranfered my male night-elven druid and now I need another name :) any suggestions? ;) |
| 22:00.04 | Shirik | dieck2 |
| 22:00.24 | Shirik | in all honesty I'm the worst person to be asking for name suggestions >< |
| 22:00.42 | Shirik | the way I do it is I mash the keyboard a few times, touch it up by putting in a few vowels in the iddle, there you go |
| 22:00.51 | Shirik | take my alt name "Kimina" for example |
| 22:00.55 | dieck | maybe I should add he moved to a rp server :) |
| 22:01.04 | Shirik | check out how k,i,m, and n are all in the exact same spot on the keyboard |
| 22:01.22 | dieck | :) |
| 22:01.28 | Shirik | ok rp server |
| 22:02.15 | Shirik | Ceid |
| 22:02.15 | Shirik | there |
| 22:02.19 | Shirik | your name backwards, minus the k |
| 22:08.31 | zenzelezz | Dice |
| 22:08.41 | Shirik | don't think that would fly on an rp server :/ |
| 22:09.10 | zenzelezz | why not, Hasselhoof got around it |
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| 22:10.52 | dieck | lol |
| 22:11.26 | dieck | on our (german) rp server, many names are undisputed. like a hunter "mexrainge" I now :) |
| 22:19.28 | JoshBorke | purl, hug Cairenn |
| 22:19.30 | purl | ACTION hugs Cairenn tightly until Cairenn turns slightly blue |
| 22:19.35 | Cairenn | purl, hug JoshBorke |
| 22:19.36 | purl | ACTION hugs JoshBorke tightly until JoshBorke turns slightly blue |
| 22:19.37 | Shirik | anyone know this: Doing a SetScript() on an insecure frame which is parent of a secure frame. Will that taint the secure frame? |
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| 22:20.20 | Xenok | Is there a tutorial or something on Collapsable lists >< |
| 22:20.26 | Shirik | heh |
| 22:20.40 | Shirik | not that I'm aware of |
| 22:20.52 | Xenok | then write one >< |
| 22:20.57 | Shirik | but, in all honesty, reading the quest frame's/tradeskill frame's info might help you |
| 22:21.08 | Xenok | im trying hard |
| 22:21.12 | Xenok | very hard |
| 22:21.14 | Shirik | ah that's what you're reading now? |
| 22:21.20 | Xenok | the quest frame |
| 22:25.22 | Cairenn | Thrae: btw, got your PM |
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| 22:27.58 | pastamancer | Shirik: the protection that secure frames recieve extends upwards to parent frames |
| 22:28.23 | Shirik | that's what I was afraid of |
| 22:28.46 | pastamancer | Shirik: you could SetScript the originally insecure parent without tainting, but it can't do anything that you aren't allowed to do to secure frames |
| 22:28.57 | Shirik | right |
| 22:29.28 | pastamancer | so you can't :SetParent a secure frame to an insecure frame and then move the insecure frame around during combat |
| 22:29.45 | Shirik | yeah |
| 22:30.18 | pastamancer | if you could, there wouldn't be much point to secure frames |
| 22:30.22 | Shirik | hehe |
| 22:30.28 | Shirik | attach an insecure frame to it |
| 22:30.36 | Shirik | move things around as you please |
| 22:30.38 | Shirik | yeah I see the reasoning |
| 22:32.53 | qw^ | _Grem_: Sanity 2 does that with its search function |
| 22:33.14 | Shirik | .. ? |
| 22:33.27 | qw^ | uhm yeah that was kind of late wasn't it |
| 22:34.14 | TC_Working | this is really cool (watch the video) http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/rumors/why-multitouch-apple-monitors-would-be-dumb-241165.php |
| 22:34.16 | qw^ | I forgot to scroll down in the window so I only got _Grem_ asking for a addon example that can read data from a tooltip |
| 22:34.25 | Shirik | was that this: 14:42:47 ‹_Grem_› Does anyone have an addon example on how to read data from a Tooltip ? |
| 22:34.31 | Shirik | 3 hours ago >< |
| 22:34.33 | qw^ | yes :P |
| 22:34.37 | Shirik | heh |
| 22:34.43 | qw^ | Better late than never right |
| 22:35.02 | Shirik | well, ignoring the fact that he left and rejoined the channel in between the time he got the response |
| 22:35.03 | Shirik | yes |
| 22:35.41 | qw^ | four hours ago.. time goes by fast in Azeroth |
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| 22:37.53 | qw^ | on a completely unrelated note: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6414003.stm |
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| 22:39.29 | Shirik | that's pretty cool |
| 22:39.32 | Shirik | TC_Working |
| 22:39.47 | Shirik | though I saw something similar a few months back; some guy playing WC3 with the same type of interface |
| 22:39.56 | TC_Working | yea, but it was horizontal |
| 22:39.56 | Shirik | this video you just gave shows a lot more :P |
| 22:40.48 | TC_Working | wel standing like that for hours on end to do your would would suck, but the ability to do that at your desk would be sweet |
| 22:40.54 | TC_Working | s/wel/well/ |
| 22:42.19 | Cairenn | there was a video of one with someone sitting at it a while back, can't remember which channel though, so can't go link searching in my log files, sorry |
| 22:42.48 | bleetah | Cairenn: heh, I suspect I'm trhinking of the same 'other' video |
| 22:43.03 | Cairenn | the first one I saw was amazing |
| 22:43.12 | TC_Working | yea, thats the one where they were useing both earth and wc3 |
| 22:43.26 | bleetah | iirc, it was MIT. don't quote me, tho. |
| 22:43.42 | Cairenn | I don't recall now, it was a few months back |
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| 22:45.56 | bleetah | I seem to recall seeing it around mid-last year |
| 22:46.37 | bleetah | basically, it's like some engi took dropped a few tabs whilst watching Minority Report and went 'ooh, that's easy' |
| 22:46.45 | mahiro | Shirik: thx for the help with the saved options, works perfect:D |
| 22:46.52 | Shirik | no problem :) |
| 22:47.34 | Xenok | AHH!! I still can't figure out collapsable lists! |
| 22:47.40 | Xenok | T_T |
| 22:47.48 | Shirik | purl, comfort Xenok |
| 22:47.50 | purl | There, there, Xenok. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 22:47.57 | Xenok | heh |
| 22:48.01 | mahiro | there is one more thing i wonder, if i want to reset the options, is there a way to load the default option table to change the values or whats the best way to do that? |
| 22:48.19 | Shirik | if you do an a = nil; ReloadUI(); it would do it |
| 22:48.41 | Shirik | ReloadUI(); would save your table as nil, meaning it doesn't exist |
| 22:48.45 | Shirik | er |
| 22:48.45 | mahiro | hmm that reload is not what im looking for.... |
| 22:48.48 | Shirik | a = nil would do it |
| 22:48.55 | Shirik | ok the other option is to do a = {whatever the default table is} |
| 22:49.24 | Shirik | the only thing you may not like about that is it's redundancy |
| 22:49.30 | Shirik | you'd have two copies of your default table |
| 22:49.38 | mahiro | hmm |
| 22:49.46 | Shirik | so you might want to do something ilke MyAddon_DEFAULT_TABLE = {whatever} |
| 22:49.53 | Shirik | then a = nil or MyAddon_DEFAULT_TABLE |
| 22:50.01 | Shirik | and when you do a reset, a = MyAddon_DEFAULT_TABLE |
| 22:50.33 | cladhaire | why not a = setmetatable({}, MyAddon_DEFAULT_TABLE)? |
| 22:51.03 | Shirik | because 80% of addon developers don't know how to use setmetatable() and I don't like to teach it, and when did you get here >< |
| 22:51.21 | cladhaire | i'm very very sneaky |
| 22:51.35 | Shirik | hi :) |
| 22:51.53 | mahiro | hi |
| 22:51.53 | cladhaire | l-) |
| 22:52.00 | Gryphen | he3ya |
| 22:52.11 | mahiro | whats with that metatable thing, where can i read about that? |
| 22:52.17 | Shirik | metatables are fun |
| 22:52.28 | Shirik | helps a lot in OOP in Lua, imo |
| 22:52.36 | mahiro | and whats the basic use of them? |
| 22:52.51 | haste | look one line above your question for example :) |
| 22:52.58 | haste | and it's a chapter in PiL |
| 22:53.09 | Cide | the most common use is probably looking for missing entries in another table |
| 22:53.24 | mahiro | so fun is the basic use?^^ interesting:D |
| 22:53.25 | Shirik | I think I have a good example |
| 22:53.27 | TC_Working | this is a pretty cool use of a touch screen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaKehq6qsdY |
| 22:53.34 | Shirik | no, OOP is one use :P |
| 22:53.43 | mahiro | orly:D |
| 22:54.07 | Shirik | pulling up my addon, sec, I'll give you a code example |
| 22:54.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | man, fear is fun to mess around with |
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| 22:57.08 | Shirik | here: http://wowi.pastey.net/7501 |
| 22:58.50 | Shirik | so without doing something like a.Show = function() blah blah end |
| 22:58.54 | Shirik | I happen to have a function a:Show() |
| 22:59.38 | cladhaire | damn i just deleted the log that exlpained metatables |
| 22:59.40 | cladhaire | and all their fun |
| 22:59.47 | Shirik | heh |
| 22:59.49 | cladhaire | not to mention methods :P |
| 22:59.56 | cladhaire | i enjoyed that conversation |
| 23:03.10 | mahiro | hmm i think i have to go back to learn some more things about lua |
| 23:05.17 | Shirik | did my example make sense at least? |
| 23:06.50 | pastamancer | cladhaire: when was it from. I probably have it logged |
| 23:06.52 | Shirik | admittedly, the example I gave doesn't seem to have much _purpose_, because I took the important parts out |
| 23:07.07 | cladhaire | pastamancer: it'd be in the purl logs, lemme see if i can find a day |
| 23:07.09 | Shirik | but that's a potential use for them |
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| 23:15.59 | Shirik | purl, poke dolby-wowi |
| 23:16.01 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind dolby-wowi, pokes dolby-wowi repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 23:24.27 | Shirik | Sorry, I just had to share this thread because it totally rags on the moonfire spam: http://guardianhq.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=10871 |
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| 23:32.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | you can't learn journeyman jewelcrafting until you max apprentice? O_O |
| 23:35.40 | Xenok | umm why does my error log say "Unknown script element OnClick"? |
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| 23:35.53 | Shirik | probably because the OnClick script element is unknown |
| 23:36.00 | Xenok | uhhh |
| 23:36.09 | Shirik | hehe |
| 23:36.09 | Tem|Work | you probably tried to put an OnClick on something that doesn't have an OnClick |
| 23:36.10 | zenzelezz | lol |
| 23:36.13 | Tem|Work | like a frame |
| 23:36.18 | Shirik | yeah I was thinking the same as Tem|Work |
| 23:36.25 | Xenok | Ill check >< |
| 23:36.39 | Xenok | yeah I did :P |
| 23:37.12 | Paratus | Can someone help me with the error on line 48 here: http://wowi.pastey.net/7502-1j67 .. I'm new to ui lua |
| 23:37.29 | Shirik | let me guess |
| 23:38.12 | Xenok | oh wait... hmm I have a function called in OnLoad and the only OnClick in my lua Is "{ onClick = function(a) Sea.io.printTable(a); end; }" |
| 23:38.12 | Shirik | actually I take that back |
| 23:38.14 | Shirik | what's the error? |
| 23:38.33 | Paratus | Speaking to me, Shirik? |
| 23:38.36 | Shirik | yes |
| 23:38.41 | Paratus | I'll fire up wow and copy/paste it.. sec. |
| 23:39.00 | Shirik | if you have the ability to get a stack trace, try to grab that too, it may help |
| 23:39.10 | Shirik | actually don't; if it's at line 48 it shouldn't matter |
| 23:39.27 | Shirik | but what the error is might help ^^ |
| 23:39.55 | Paratus | ..\AddOns\GuideTool\GuideTool.lua line 48: attempt to index field '?' (a nil value) |
| 23:39.56 | Shirik | oh I see it actually |
| 23:39.56 | Paratus | that happens when I do the /gt command |
| 23:39.57 | Shirik | do a |
| 23:40.11 | Shirik | type /script DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(CharName or "nil"); |
| 23:40.12 | Shirik | for me |
| 23:40.15 | Shirik | tell me what comes out |
| 23:40.19 | Shirik | I think it's going to say "nil" |
| 23:40.33 | Paratus | Celoril (my char) |
| 23:40.36 | Shirik | oh really? |
| 23:40.40 | Paratus | yep ;) |
| 23:40.58 | Shirik | the same for RealmName ? |
| 23:41.07 | Shirik | though I don't expect that to be problematic |
| 23:41.28 | Paratus | yep, Maelstrom |
| 23:41.33 | Paratus | The addon loads up fine too |
| 23:41.39 | Paratus | and the slash commands work fine |
| 23:41.51 | Paratus | it's when it fires that player_logout event |
| 23:42.31 | Shirik | I wonder... |
| 23:42.38 | Shirik | hm |
| 23:42.39 | Paratus | I did that /script command with GuideTool_CharData and got nil |
| 23:42.45 | Shirik | oh did you? |
| 23:42.52 | Paratus | er wait |
| 23:42.57 | Paratus | I had a typo in the /script command :P |
| 23:43.06 | Paratus | now it's just not showing anything |
| 23:43.15 | Shirik | yeah it really shouldn't show anything |
| 23:43.17 | Shirik | it's a table |
| 23:43.33 | Paratus | hmm |
| 23:44.14 | Paratus | error debug says problem is with GuideTool_CharData[RealmName][CharName] = {}; |
| 23:44.17 | Shirik | though can I ask something real quick |
| 23:44.21 | Paratus | sure |
| 23:44.34 | Shirik | why do you store it like this? |
| 23:44.42 | Shirik | rather than something like GuideToolData = {whatever} |
| 23:45.00 | Paratus | puts it into a savedvariable that I wrote a php script to parse |
| 23:45.08 | Shirik | ah, so you want it all in one file |
| 23:45.15 | Paratus | yep |
| 23:45.39 | Paratus | was hoping to store all the info from all characters on all realms in 1 var |
| 23:45.50 | Shirik | ok before line 48 |
| 23:45.51 | Shirik | write these out |
| 23:46.06 | Shirik | assert(RealmName); assert(CharName); |
| 23:46.16 | Shirik | though I don't know if you'd be able to see the error before you log out |
| 23:46.46 | Paratus | I made a slash command to do that event for debugging |
| 23:47.02 | Shirik | yeah but I want to see it on logout :/ |
| 23:47.11 | Shirik | oh wait |
| 23:47.19 | Shirik | you made a slash command to throw the player_logout event? |
| 23:47.39 | Paratus | slash command just sends player_logout to the function handling events, yeah |
| 23:48.05 | Paratus | (see very bottom of code) |
| 23:48.56 | Shirik | do you have devtools? |
| 23:49.20 | Paratus | nope |
| 23:49.40 | Shirik | grr |
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| 23:49.43 | Shirik | ok do this |
| 23:50.04 | Shirik | type /script DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(GuideTool_CharData[RealmName] or "nil"); |
| 23:50.08 | Shirik | followed by |
| 23:50.14 | Shirik | type /script DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(GuideTool_CharData[RealmName][CharData] or "nil"); |
| 23:50.17 | Paratus | what does assert do btw? |
| 23:50.18 | Paratus | ok |
| 23:50.22 | bleetah | ~devtools |
| 23:50.29 | purl | methinks devtools is Iriel's DevTools, a highly useful set of debugging tools for developers on WoW. Found at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=3999 Why isn't it in the default client yet?, or found at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?s=&id=5415 for the beta |
| 23:50.29 | Shirik | assert() basically says "make sure this is true" |
| 23:50.33 | Shirik | if it's not true, it puts up an error message |
| 23:50.48 | Shirik | (nil == false) |
| 23:51.03 | Shirik | well, not exactly |
| 23:51.03 | Paratus | got nil on /script DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(GuideTool_CharData[RealmName] or "nil"); |
| 23:51.20 | Shirik | ok so we've found the problem, at least |
| 23:51.27 | Shirik | but RealmName is indeed your realm? |
| 23:51.35 | Paratus | Hmm |
| 23:51.36 | Paratus | yep |
| 23:51.38 | Shirik | OH |
| 23:51.40 | Paratus | so it's in GuideTool_CharData = { |
| 23:51.40 | Paratus | [RealmName] = { |
| 23:51.40 | Paratus | } |
| 23:51.40 | Paratus | }; |
| 23:52.00 | Shirik | I think... |
| 23:52.03 | Shirik | do this |
| 23:52.27 | Shirik | type /script DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(GuideTool_CharData["RealmName"] or "nil"); |
| 23:52.30 | Shirik | (just put it in quotes) |
| 23:52.55 | Shirik | I think that should give nothing, not nil |
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| 23:52.58 | Paratus | nil |
| 23:53.03 | Paratus | :P |
| 23:53.04 | Shirik | ok then I'm lost... but |
| 23:53.21 | Paratus | haha |
| 23:54.01 | Paratus | ohh |
| 23:54.10 | Shirik | I think you have to do this: http://wowi.pastey.net/7503 |
| 23:54.10 | Paratus | I just noticed it's giving many more errors thaan that one |
| 23:54.13 | Paratus | first being: |
| 23:54.19 | wereHamster | Paratus, does RealmName exist (not nil)? |
| 23:54.23 | Paratus | Message: ..\AddOns\GuideTool\GuideTool.lua line 17: table index is nil |
| 23:54.28 | Shirik | yes it does, we already went through that :P |
| 23:54.30 | Paratus | yes it does were |
| 23:54.41 | Shirik | ok, _always_ fix your errors in the order they appear |
| 23:54.54 | Paratus | I didn't notice the others with this debug interface ;) |
| 23:55.16 | Paratus | line 17 tho? wtf? there's nothing wrong there for sure |
| 23:55.19 | Shirik | um |
| 23:55.23 | Shirik | can you repastey your code |
| 23:55.27 | Shirik | I... kinda accidentally deleted it >< |
| 23:55.29 | Shirik | sorry! |
| 23:55.44 | Paratus | or is there.. |
| 23:55.45 | Paratus | haha np |
| 23:55.54 | Paratus | http://wowi.pastey.net/7502-1j67 |
| 23:56.15 | Paratus | that points to this being the issue, as we thought earlier: |
| 23:56.15 | Paratus | GuideTool_CharData = { |
| 23:56.16 | Paratus | [RealmName] = { |
| 23:56.16 | Paratus | } |
| 23:56.16 | Paratus | }; |
| 23:56.35 | Shirik | just do what I did, http://wowi.pastey.net/7503 |
| 23:56.41 | Shirik | try that |
| 23:57.29 | Shirik | I've never seen arrays initialized like that with a dynamic variable, and I'm not sure if it's legal or not. Perhaps it is, but it may not be. I've always done it my way, which should work |
| 23:58.07 | Paratus | same error :P |
| 23:58.14 | Shirik | where's the error? |
| 23:58.19 | Paratus | first is on 17 |
| 23:58.23 | Paratus | table index nil |
| 23:58.30 | Shirik | 17 being which line? |
| 23:58.35 | Paratus | }; |
| 23:58.42 | Shirik | er... |
| 23:58.45 | Paratus | er wait.. |
| 23:58.52 | Paratus | lemme redo my pastey |
| 23:59.39 | Paratus | http://wowi.pastey.net/7506 |
