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00:05.12ShadowedWe can chain as many stopmacros as we want into a macro I assume?
00:05.17Shadoweds/chain/add
00:05.51ShirikI... don't see why not. What are you trying to do? How many could you possibly need?
00:05.56TC_Workingthat traling slash is such a bitch
00:06.30ShadowedJust was going to add 2, was making sure there wasn't some restriction!
00:06.42Shiriknope
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00:26.54scotepiis there a way to /use item only if its usable?
00:27.07scotepii dont want to hear trinket cooldown spam
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00:30.34Nom-Good morning, children.
00:30.41TC_WorkingMorning Daddy
00:31.11Nom-I'm not yo real daddah
00:31.47Shirikscotepi: no. That's intentional, but you could clear out the errors frame after the /use
00:31.51Shirikbut there's no way to stop the sound
00:32.14scotepiany reason for it being intentional?
00:32.46Shirikblizzard doesn't want macros to change what they do based on cooldowns, basically
00:33.17scotepigrr i hate 2.0
00:33.27Nom-lol 2.0 is fine
00:33.37Nom-Just too many people want 1 button to play the game for them
00:33.40scotepii like the better UI (raid still sucks) but the realy limited macros
00:34.00scotepii like my ShadowBolt/Trink/Drain/Tap macro
00:44.05Neuro_Medivhthere are ways to clear out the error spam
00:44.20Neuro_Medivhre: macros (sorry if this reply is a bit late)
00:44.47scotepii can deal with the error spam but not the sound
00:45.08scotepiand you cant hack game files anymore ><
00:45.12bleetahwish i could tame girrafes
00:45.21Neuro_Medivhyou can stop the sounds too, I believe
00:45.43Neuro_Medivhbut I could be wrong
00:45.55scotepii dobut it
00:46.37Mr_Rabies2you can stop all error sounds
00:46.40Mr_Rabies2in the sound options
00:46.45Mr_Rabies2i got tired of hearing
00:47.00scotepidoesnt work for unusable trink spam
00:47.05Mr_Rabies2not enough rage not enough rage not enough rage not enough energy i need more rage i need more energy i need more rage
00:47.40Neuro_Medivhyou're obviously not mad enough to play a warrior
00:47.48Mr_Rabies2cause i'm a button spammer
00:47.50TC_Workinghttp://orbicule.com/products/
00:47.54Mr_Rabies2drood actually :p
00:48.09Neuro_Medivhoh, that's right..  burn in nerfhell!  Muhahah!
00:48.15scotepiTheftSensor is a rip off
00:48.27scotepithers been a program around for over a year that does that
00:48.29Neuro_Medivhis that an addon?
00:48.33TC_Workingso is undercover if you simply turn off the network
00:48.41TC_Workingbut it's still interesting
00:49.09scotepiundecover takes 5sec for anyone to write.. just a shell script to check in with a server
00:49.46scotepimaybe not so advanced but...
00:50.02Neuro_Medivhpeople still won't use it.  Look at LoJack, it has something like a 95% recovery rate, and lowers your insurance a ton, but people still don't want to buy it
00:50.50bleetahbest anti theft device i've seen -> http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/gadgets/tesla-antitheft-device-eye-of-sauron-237663.php
00:51.43TC_Workingheh
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01:26.43TainLoJack doesn't lower your insurance that much.  Some, absolutely.  But at least when I bought it it was expensive, and lowered my insurance 5%, which wasn't much.
01:48.14Corrodiassometimes, my buff bar doesn't move downward to account for fubar
01:48.16Corrodiasand that is uncool
01:49.49Nom-sif use standard buff bar anyway
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02:02.20Corrodiassif?
02:10.10WobWork'as if'
02:10.37zenzelezzstill missing a word in the sentence then
02:11.12WobWorksif implies "Ha, as if you'd do that, in fact you should..."
02:12.17WobWorkYou have to read between the lines =)
02:30.13Nom-Silly pplz
02:30.15Nom-lern2internet :D
02:31.25Nom-It's always awesome when the Air Conditioner is broken @ work
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02:43.26xlviinom-, what buffbar do you use?
02:44.19Nom-Elkano's Buff Bar
02:44.31xlviioh..
02:44.36xlviii don't like them, it's ugly, lol.
02:45.06Corrodiasthe second black morass boss is kicking our ass
02:46.23Nom-I think they're awesome :)
02:46.36Nom-I can't stand the normal buff bars, they're stupid
02:46.47Nom-I like EBB because you can see at a glance how long a buff has left
02:46.58xlviii use uhm..
02:47.07xlviiwhat's the thing that shows the seconds too? ;p
02:47.19xlviisome addon that shows time as %h:%m
02:47.24Nom-Probably CT_Mod
02:47.38xlviino..
02:47.41xlviiit's an ace mod.
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02:47.53Corrodiashey Nom-. link us.
02:48.00xlviiSeriousBuffTimers
02:48.13Nom-link you?
02:48.19Corrodiasto some buff bar
02:49.10Nom-http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5101-ElkanosBuffBar.html
02:49.13Nom-EBB FTW
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03:49.56TainPut that away!  You can just wave those around in public!
03:50.16Cairenn*flutters lashes at Tain*
03:50.19bleetahwell, not with authorisation signed in triplicate, etc. etc.
03:50.26Cairennwave what around in public Tain?
03:50.34TainLashes, of course :)
03:52.25Thunder_Childwell it's good to know i can kill a 63 elite....it's just to bad i die after each one
03:52.25Mike-N-GoI thought that only level 58 and up could come to outland?
03:52.31Mike-N-GoI am seeing level 42..
03:59.09JoshBorkepurl, hug Cairenn
03:59.15purlACTION hugs Cairenn
03:59.21Cairennpurl, hug JoshBorke
03:59.26purlACTION gets a running start and tackle-hugs JoshBorke
03:59.26JoshBorkepurl, say goodnight
03:59.28purlgoodnight
03:59.34JoshBorke:-D
03:59.38Cairennnight JoshBorke, sweet dreams
03:59.44JoshBorkeyou too Cairenn
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04:17.14Guillotine_GhostMike-N-Go: People below 58 can go to Outland through summons
04:17.19Guillotine_Ghostor portals
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04:17.34Mike-N-GoAhh
04:17.56Mike-N-GoBut really.. it would be of little use to someone under 58
04:18.05Mike-N-GoThe mobs, to tough.
04:18.58Mike-N-GoOh, professions.
04:19.33Legorolnot true, i love having my HS in Shatt
04:19.46Legorolbetter than having it in IF
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04:34.57Nom-You can only go through the dark portal at 58
04:35.01Nom-There's other way to get to Outland
04:35.28Nom-Yah, I know many grinders who set their HS to Shattrath now
04:35.36Nom-Almost as good as having mage portals
04:36.44bleetahYou can get portalled there by a mage, or summonsed by a lock, if you're below 58 and have BC installed
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04:37.34bleetahsorry Nom-, something like that may have already said.. I caught the tail end
04:40.38Legorolpatch 2.0.10 hasn't hit US yet, has it?
04:41.01bleetahstill on the PTR
04:41.49bleetahthey did say there was going to be another build of the PTR client, so.. I doubt (but as far as I know not confirmed) we'll be onto that version on live after maintenance tonight
04:45.37Gngskbleh, this Bartender3 profile bug is causing me to die. Resetting SVs hasn't fixed it. :\
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04:49.24Shane_anyone know how to blink a button in wow?
04:51.05KirkburnMy suggestion - close and open your eyes really quickly
04:51.20leethalso, where's that super duper outstanding beginners guide to making his own addon from scratch?
04:51.39AceSentinalE FIICD CEGA DI IHDANCDOHD NIF DI COJA JONEOBCAC, CBACEJECOCCO CEHAC IJ DAQD. E'C DNOEHG DI COGA O HIDABOD DNOD FECC COHC FEDN GIECD CODAC IH O BAAN DI BAAN BOCEC
04:52.05AceSentinalSorry
04:52.24Temwhat the hel-- no, nevermind.  I don't want to know
04:52.50AceSentinalI would like to know how to save variables, specifically lines of text and share them with guild mates on a peer to peer scale
04:55.31leethalI don't like that xml file. Seems like Ace managed to do without it. How can I avoid it? You know, setting OnLoad, OnEvent and all that without xml.
04:56.01Temwowwiki is your friend
04:56.07leethalI'm browsing around there now
04:56.21leethalI guess I'll get used to how it's organized in a couple of weeks or so =P
04:56.57TainSave the wiki, save the world.
04:57.06Tembad tain
04:57.10TemI still haven't watched last week's
04:57.19Temso now I'm behind again...
04:57.21TainYOu have to catch up.
04:57.36Temthis week's was good?
04:57.38TainThis weeks was, to me, the best episode yet.  And that isn't embellishing.
04:57.44Temwow
04:57.45Karrionbah no spoiling, only seen up to episode 8
04:58.07Karrionand that's 3 ahead of what's been shown on tv here :-/
04:58.12TainI kept getting annoyed because it is only an hour long and I want more.
04:59.04TemKarrion, where are you geographically?
05:00.36bleetahon a chair!
05:00.39bleetahor maybe a stool
05:01.33Tem~exception bleetah
05:01.39purlACTION throws a NullPointerException at bleetah.
05:01.48Temeat it!
05:02.13bleetah~westley
05:02.15purlYou warthog-faced buffoon.
05:02.47Tem~emulate sean connery
05:02.48purlThe day is mine!
05:03.07bleetahs/mine/marn/
05:03.15bleetahgotta do the accent purl, you fool!
05:08.10ZealotOnAStick~seen Tuller
05:08.35purltuller <n=chatzill@c-68-57-185-39.hsd1.va.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 8d 9h 50m 18s ago, saying: 'UPDATE_BINDINGS is only called when you save them, I think'.
05:09.23AceSentinalthank you
05:09.46KarrionTem: .au ;-)
05:10.17TemI guess I should have known they'd be playing it elsewhere
05:10.23Tembut the thought never occured to me
05:11.04bleetahIs it wrong of me to think that the only crit records that count, are ones dealt out against critters?
05:19.56Neuro_Medivhanyone here have a shaman on the newest PTR?
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05:30.51leethalis there an event that can tell me who casted a certain buff on me?
05:31.40leethala certain buff is Earth Shield, by the way
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05:32.46GngskPLAYER_AURAS_CHANGED
05:33.20leethalhmm, not much info in the api thingie at wowwiki.com on that event
05:33.49leethalCHAT_MSG_SPELL_FRIENDLYPLAYER_BUFF seems kinda viable
05:34.16leethalbut it doesn't seem to contain the name of the buffer
05:34.30leethalbah, having to parse combat log strings is silly, I wish there were some "real" way of doing it
05:36.36leethalGngsk: any additional info on PLAYER_AURAS_CHANGED?
05:36.40leethalGngsk: args and stuff?
05:37.32Shirikhrm
05:37.36Shirikwho casted a buff on you?
05:37.56leethala party/raid member
05:38.38ShirikI would use...
05:39.35leethaljust got a priest to buff me with fort. All the combat log had was "You gain Power Word: Fortitude"
05:39.38leethalno buffer name
05:39.44Shirikah that's right
05:39.58ShirikI'm not entirely sure it's possible
05:40.09leethalme neither
05:40.30Shirikwell
05:40.32leethalbut.. I know some combat log saver addons. They log everything that happens with everoyne
05:40.35Shirikin theory you might be able to....
05:40.44leethalperhaps I can monitor all buffs casted
05:40.56Shirikwatch for the instant that you gain the buff, then check everyone's mana, look for who just lost 1000 mana or whatever it costs
05:41.04Shirikbut that is a crapton of work
05:41.39Shirik"monitor all buffs casted" how do you intend to do that?
05:41.46leethalwell, no idea
05:41.48ShirikBecause the combat log also doesn't show any instant cast spells
05:42.06ShirikIt does show things like ______ begins to cast _____ but only for non-instant spells
05:42.22leethalI'm not very into this, but there's stuff like http://code.google.com/p/clsaver/ that saves lots of stuff
05:42.28leethalah, I see
05:42.40Shirikwhat are you trying to do exactly? Perhaps you're going about it the wrong way
05:42.54leethalperhaps
05:43.31Shiriklike, what purpose would seeing who buffed you serve? Are you trying to track who buffs the most?
05:43.31leethalI'm trying to wisper the shaman that buffed me with Earth Shield that he needs to rebuff when the Earth Shield buff fades
05:43.53leethalwispering and fading and all that is cake, but getting the name of that shaman isn't
05:44.00Shirikright
05:44.33ShirikSorry I'm not well versed in shamans - earth shield does what exactly?
05:44.36leethali'm having this cute little addon that alerts raid when taunt/mocking blow is rested and i pop last stand. Thought I could extend it's functionality a bit
05:44.46leethalearth shield is a 2 min lasting buff that heals me on melee hit
05:44.52leethaljust 10 hits tough
05:44.54Shirikok then we might be able to get something there
05:45.10ShirikThere should be something in the combat log like You gain xxx health from _____'s Earth Shield
05:45.15leethalaha
05:45.20leethalI'll take a look at that
05:45.21Shirikdoes it say "your" earth shield or does it give you his name?
05:45.24ShirikI'm not sure which one it is
05:45.33leethalgot no shaman to test it atm, so I'll have to find one and figure that out
05:46.08MentalPowerif I do GetScript() twice in a row, will the functions returned equal each other? ie functionA == functionB?
05:46.22Shirikyes you get a reference to the function
05:46.48MentalPowerso I get the same reference no matter how many times I call the function?
05:46.57Shirikyou should, but let me double check real quick
05:47.08Shirikthat's of course assuming you don't do a SetScript() in between
05:47.12MentalPowerright
05:48.18Shirikyup, just tested it
05:48.27Shirikit gives you a reference to the function so it will always be equal
05:48.38Shirikessentially what GetScript() returns is the memory location at which that function is stored
05:48.55MentalPowereven if the function is not present in any .lua file?
05:49.02MentalPowerie came from loadstring or XML
05:49.08Shirikyup; I just tested this on PlayerFrame
05:49.16Shirikand
05:49.39ShirikXML gets parsed into the Lua environment, and loadstring() is run and becomes part of the environment
05:49.52Shirikunless
05:50.03Shirikif you did a pcall() but that's probably not something you'll be testing anyway
05:50.10leethalbah.. earthshield is not telling ya which shaman cast it when it heals
05:50.20leethalit's just "You gain foo from Earth Shield"
05:50.25Shirikyuck
05:50.26MentalPowerhow would a pcall influence it?
05:50.27leethalmana monitoring for the win, then
05:51.10Shirikpcall() sets up its own environment. Thus, if you had something like foo=loadstring("a = 4"); and then did a pcall(foo) then a would not be accessible outside of the pcall
05:51.45leethalapropos nothing: I wish wow addons could be coded in Ruby too
05:52.30Shirikbut if you were doing this in a secure environment (i.e., via pcall() ) then you wouldn't have had access to the script in the first place, so there's nothing to test, so I think this is outside of the bounds of your question
05:52.54Shirikin response to your initial question - yes, every time you test something from GetScript() against itself, it will return true if and only if you have not SetScript() in the middle.
05:53.04MentalPowerright, I'm just coding an extension to our hooking library to allow safe hooking of handlers
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05:53.24MentalPowerleethal: we've been down that road... its not pretty
05:53.32leethalMentalPower: =P
05:53.52leethalanyways, I guess I'll just specify the name of the shaman to alert via a slash command or something
05:54.12Shirikor you could have the shaman install the mod as well
05:54.31Shirikthen hook CastSpellByName() to watch for when he casts the buff, then send a hidden message to your client identifing that he was the shaman that did it
05:54.35Shirikfrom there you can pick up who to warn
05:54.42leethalah, good idea =D
05:54.59leethalI'm on ace too, so sending messages is t3h easy
05:55.18Temdon't hook CastSpellByName
05:55.20Shirikjust make sure you use hooksecurefunc() or you will never be able to cast a single spell
05:55.30Temuse the event model
05:55.49leethalthen again.. don't want to bother people to much, and typing /wa alert Gory isn't much job for a poor tank
05:56.09leethalheck, I'll even make a gui with the shamans in the raid listed
05:56.11Shirikwsg just popped brb :P
05:56.16leethal=P
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05:59.50Shirik"Target will not flee and ignores fear and horror effects"
05:59.57Shirikwhat is a horror effect?
06:00.04TemHowl of Terror
06:00.12TemSkillcoil
06:00.29Shirikah
06:00.33Shirikthose are fear effects in my book :P
06:00.39Temit's the same thing as fear except it isn't caceled by "removes fear" effects
06:01.56leethala true shame than you don't see instant buffs casts in combat log
06:02.17leethaland "Your Earth SHield heals you for 582".. bah
06:02.47leethalapparently KLTM and Damage Meters and all those addons have bugs in them concerning healing aggro and healing done when it comes to this damn earth shield
06:03.20ShirikKLTM is overrated
06:03.39Shirikit's cool and all but I like figuring out aggro myself
06:03.45leethalya, it has to be. It doesn't actually "read" threat from mobs, it just presumes stuff based on combat longs, right?
06:03.59leethalcombat logs*
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06:04.14Shirikyeah but we've pretty much got the calculations figured out
06:04.23Shirikthe new skills aren't exactly right yet but mostly we've got it figured out
06:04.37leethalwho's we?
06:04.43Shirikit's sad that I'm standing literally on top of the alliance base, alt-tabbed, and still haven't died while I'm typing to you
06:05.02Shirikthe general UI community
06:05.10leethalhaha
06:05.20leethalget dual screen, even more imba
06:05.36ShirikI had dual screen at my house, but here it doesn't fit on my desk
06:05.52Shirik23" screen doesn't leave much room for anythign else
06:06.38Nom-mehpfft
06:06.40leethalheh
06:06.50Nom-i'm going to buy a pair of 19" widescreens :P
06:06.53leethalgot two 19"s and a laptop, it rocks
06:07.08Nom-19" widescreen ftw
06:07.13Tem19'?
06:07.19Tems/'/"/
06:07.24Temweaksauce
06:07.32Nom-pfft
06:07.39Nom-when you put two of them side by side, it's more than enough
06:07.46leethalthe UNIT_MANA event - is it fired absolutely every single time someone has their mana changed? Description in wowwiki api gooes "Fired whenever a unit's mana change either by usage or by regeneration."
06:07.55gnorlishmake the jump to 20.1 and you can get 1680x1050!
06:08.03Temleethal, that's correct
06:08.10Temgnorlish, /agree
06:08.11leethalTem: party members and all?
06:08.12Nom-That's what i'll be getting, gnorlish
06:08.23Nom-I can't stand low rez
06:08.33Temleethal, player,party1-4, raid1-40
06:08.35Temtarget
06:08.39Nom-1680x1050 is the lowest i'll go on widescreen
06:08.40Tempet
06:08.41leethalk
06:08.50leethalthe full http://www.wowwiki.com/API_TYPE_UnitId list?
06:08.54Temand maybe party1-4pet and raid1-40pet
06:09.02Temnot the full list
06:09.12Temnone of the ____target ids
06:09.17Temand maybe not the pet ones
06:09.18TemI don't remember
06:09.19Nom-you can get 1680x1050 on a 19" WDS tho
06:09.22Nom-Just hard to find
06:09.23Shirikanything that you could possibly need to know, basically
06:09.34leethalso, whenever a party member that is a shaman has it's mana lessened by the amount earth shield costs to cast, I'll store that name. Huhm..
06:09.54leethalthen again, what about the fact that multiple shamans in the raid casts it on other people than myself? Not an easy one..
06:09.56Shiriknow comes the hard part
06:10.18Shirikwhat if they have mana reduction talents (do those exist for earth shield?) what about ranks of the shield?
06:10.18leethalso I guess that having the shaman to install the addon is sweet
06:10.33MentalPowernight guys
06:10.36Shiriknight
06:10.44leethalya, the different ranks needs to be there. And I guess they have mana reduction talents too
06:10.51Shirikit would be far easier to have that shaman install the addon as well
06:10.52leethalI'll make a shaman-version of the addon
06:11.09leethalshould I make a separate shaman addon, or use the same addon for both?
06:11.15Shirikup to you :)
06:11.22leethal=D
06:11.29leethalI'm powerful hahaa!
06:12.12Shirikwell by being an author you are extremely powerful.... I mean people trust you enough to install code... you could literally write up an addon that does a ForceQuit() every time a PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD event occurs
06:12.20Shiriknow if you ever did that I would personally come to your house and beat you down
06:12.25Shirikbut it is theoretically possible...
06:12.52ShirikYou know about a year ago I tried out doing a /script ForceQuit() because I wanted to know what it did....
06:13.06KarrionShirik: that'd be too obvious
06:13.08Shirik16 hours later a GM finally responded to my petition on one of my alts
06:13.10*** join/#wowi-lounge nuoHep (n=nuOHEP@outer.test.e-larek.ru)
06:13.20Shirikso that he could force kick my character from the server, because it was stuck online and I couldn't log in
06:13.22leethalShirik: I was thinking about making an addon that added "z00r" to every word in guildchat, as people use it all the time
06:13.36leethalShirik: what is ForceQuit() :O
06:13.46Shirikit essentially shuts down the client without telling the server you're leaving
06:13.47leethalShirik: no, I'm not gonna try it out and see for myself =P
06:13.47Temfor a short time I included a bit of debugging code into one of my addons that my guild was helping me test
06:13.54Temit allowed me to run arbitrary code on them
06:13.58leethalShirik: ah.. they fixed that now tough, didn't they?
06:13.59Shirikwow..
06:13.59Karrionbetter to have it deep call into some obfuscated string pieced together and loadstring'd, randomly every, say, sixth time you get PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD
06:14.00Temwhich I had a little fun with
06:14.04Shirikyeah it's fixed now
06:14.12Shirikif you log in and your character is on the server, it kicks your character off for you
06:14.19Shirikbut it didn't use to do that
06:14.37Temit's been doing that since 1.11 or 1.10
06:14.43Shirikyeah this was a while back
06:14.44leethalya, remember having to wait for ages when getting DCs
06:14.45Temsomeone hasn't been reading patch notes
06:14.49ShirikLike I said I think it was like a year ago
06:14.56Shirikwhen I did this
06:15.00Temleethal, 2 minutes is not ages
06:15.09Shiriklol
06:15.14leethaldepends on =P
06:15.36bleetahmate of mine was having similar problem in old hillsbard last night, he'd gone for a swim... server kicked him and for about 15 mins refused to let him back in (well, would kick again as soon as he entered the world)
06:15.36leethalI'm still young, it's a lifespan for me!
06:15.47Shiriksounds like he got out of the map and server would kick him out for being off the world
06:15.56Shirikuntil his character got reset out of the instance
06:16.11bleetahout of the map whilst inside an instance, yeah.. that's what I was thinking... but he didn't end up kicked outta the instance
06:16.18Shirikodd
06:16.19bleetaheventually was all fine
06:16.32bleetahhe even managed to swim even further south, before deciding he should turn 'round
06:16.39Shirikheh
06:17.38TemOne uppon a time, if you blinked past the portal of the deadmines from inside, you could fall into water
06:17.44Temand you found the building ground for Nagrand
06:17.51Tem+ netherstorm
06:17.55Temit was badass
06:17.58leethalanother silly way: the amount healed from the earth shield is based on +healing. Perhaps it's possible to get +healing amount from raid members?  Perhaps not..
06:18.04bleetahheh
06:18.17leethalbah, they can crit
06:18.41Shirikstrange though; I wonder how Damage Meters gives credit for earth shield
06:18.42bleetahi recall when BC first released, there was a bug report that if you died in a specifc place on hellfire, you'd get sent to a spirit res in barrens... dunno if it were a fake report or what, but sounded amusing ;)
06:18.57Shirikit must either ignore it or give it to the person that has the shield
06:19.10Shirikhaha I remember that
06:19.12Shiriksomeone told me about that
06:19.13leethalbleetah: hey, I recall gold spammers being able to talk in hellfire peninsula. Perhaps some hidden portal =P
06:19.29leethalno, wait
06:19.39leethalthe gold spammers were level 1 in durotar, not barrens
06:19.45Nom-You can join a zone channel
06:19.49Nom-While now being in the zone
06:19.53Nom-*not
06:19.55leethalaha
06:20.10leethalso barrens chat where ever you go? =D
06:20.26Nom-If you wanted to
06:20.40ShirikI don't get the barrens chat joke....
06:20.43leethalwho doesn't want that hehe
06:20.46Shirikthen again I guess I didn't spend much time in barrens
06:21.04ShirikI probably had general off too
06:21.08leethalapparently paris hilton has gorilla tits, and some dude just dinged 350 in mastrubation
06:21.20Shirikheh
06:21.34Shirikbut... why the barrens?
06:22.17leethalprobably cause people stay there from 10-22
06:22.30bleetahI believe it's got to do with it originally only having 1 flightpath, and massive amounts of running around to do, and total boredom
06:22.49bleetahand the whole 10-22, yeah
06:23.02ShirikI actually skipped barrens mostly so that must be why I don't get it
06:23.12ShirikI didn't play horde until BC, for the blood elf
06:23.15Nom-The Barrens, before TBC had as many people as Orgrimmar on as busy tday lol
06:23.18Shirikand blood elves can literally level to 20 in their starting zone
06:23.35Nom-Besides the big cities, The Barrens has the most people of any zone at just about any time
06:23.48leethalShirik: it's two zones, tough
06:23.50Shirikeh
06:23.53Shirikmeh
06:23.54Shiriktechnicalities
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06:24.08leethalShirik: and a faction you get exalted with if you do all the quests =D
06:24.12Nom-The quest series in Ghostlands rocks tho
06:24.17Shirikoh yeah
06:24.24Shirikthat was my first ever exalted actually!
06:24.28leethal=D
06:24.32Shirikand then I was like
06:24.33Nom-same too actually
06:24.37Shirik"Yay!" And then 5 minutes later I was like
06:24.38leethalsame here too
06:24.43Shirik"Well so what, it doesn't even give me anything"
06:24.44Nom-I've got 1 revered on my mage, but that's it
06:25.00ShirikI mean there's rewards but I already had something better
06:25.01bleetahthat rep gain rate increased on BC release makes it easier, of course ;)
06:25.02Nom-Shirik: It does...there's some awesome lowbie gear
06:25.04leethalnow with TBC we'll probably get exalted with 5-6 factions heh
06:25.05Shirikand then I was pissed for the rest of the week
06:25.09Shirikyeah I saw it but I had better :/
06:25.26Nom-Well, I didn't
06:25.32Nom-You did some instances, I guess?
06:25.45Shirikyeah did RFC probably like
06:25.49Shiriktoo many times heh
06:25.53Nom-I didn't do a single instance until level 35
06:25.55Shirikwe wanted to get this one unit
06:25.56Shiriker
06:26.03Shirikok programming + talking doesn't work at the same time
06:26.07Shirikwe wanted to get this one robe
06:26.20Shirikfor about 4 different characters
06:26.23Shirikprobably took about 15 runs
06:26.25Nom-And I didn't really get any instance gear until level 60 in Outlands
06:26.34Nom-Bar one hweapon from Ulda
06:26.36ShirikI just like instances too much
06:26.39ShirikI'm a BE priest so
06:26.45Shirikoutside of instances I feel kinda worthless
06:27.04Nom-lol priest > all
06:27.10Nom-actually pally > all
06:27.17Nom-but pally > priest > all
06:27.21Shirikbut actually yeah I'm 39 now
06:27.26ShirikI am amazed at the power I have
06:27.32Nom-<-- Level 65 BE Pally
06:27.37Shiriklet's check my K:D record for today.... and today has been a crappy day
06:27.51Shirik76 KBs, 11 deaths
06:27.51leethalpally is fun
06:28.03Nom-I was going to hit 66 last night but the net connection from WA went crappy
06:28.10Shirikbut yeah my priest would be higher but
06:28.15Nom-Like 3 ISPs that I know of had communications problems to Blizz's servers
06:28.19ShirikI had to get my hunter to 70 or my guild would have killed me
06:28.25Shirikfor not being able to run kara and the like
06:29.03Shirikfocus is overpowered? http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=79222450&sid=1
06:29.08Nom-lol my pally is my new raid character
06:29.17Nom-Not sure what i'm going to do with my mage actually :P
06:29.41Shirikwell considering my guild is alliance, they don't take very kindly to blood elves
06:29.51Shirikso pretty sure my priest isn't getting in on the action
06:30.17Shirikbtw I hear the BE paladin mount is hot
06:30.22ShirikI haven't seen it personally but it's what I hear
06:30.56Nom-muahaha
06:31.04Nom-focus casts are uber
06:31.16Shirikit makes my life with misdirection soooo much easier
06:31.31Nom-Your victim doesn't get any indication that you have a spell incoming to them
06:31.45Shirikheh, yeah they never see you target them
06:32.02Shirikthey just see you start casting
06:32.02Nom-But then it's nothing new
06:32.16Nom-I've been doing click-casting since 2.0 came out
06:32.20Shirikbut seriously if focus is overpowered...
06:32.30Shirikthen wtf was everything before 2.0 that was one button mashing
06:32.50Nom-One of the things I often did on my mage was start casting a frostbolt on something and then change target
06:32.53Nom-So that's not any different
06:33.17Shiriktrue
06:33.24Nom-good way to farm low mobs actually...frostbolt, change target, frostbolt, change target
06:33.29Shirikbut even then there was that instant that you had something else targetted
06:33.36Shiriker, your target targetted
06:34.48Shirikdo I get an award for having the longest, legal line of Lua code?
06:34.58Nom-no
06:35.05Shirik:(
06:35.07ShirikI just wrote this:
06:35.25Shirik_MakeCB(w, "Druid", "DRUID", _MakeCB(w, "Hunter", "HUNTER", _MakeCB(w, "Warlock", "WARLOCK", _MakeCB(w, "Paladin", "PALADIN", _MakeCB(w, "Shaman", "SHAMAN", _MakeCB(w, "Rogue", "ROGUE", _MakeCB(w, "Mage", "MAGE", _MakeCB(w, "Priest", "PRIEST", last_cb))))))));
06:35.44Nom-I can show you perl code that will make you cringe compared to that
06:35.54ShirikI actually never got into perl
06:36.04Shirikbut yeah I decided to comment that out and then break it up
06:36.10Nom-I think I have a 28 line if statement somewhere
06:36.10Shirikbut it will remain as a comment in the code just for giggles
06:36.17Shirikow...
06:36.45Nom-perl one liners rock :P
06:37.01ShirikI know someone who wrote an entire addon in one line in Lua, intentionally, though
06:37.17Shirikit was probably something around 10000 lines per file, and about 20 files
06:37.29Shirikand then he wrote some C program to ofuscate it and make it into one line
06:37.37Neuro_Medivhanyone here have a shaman on the newest PTR?
06:37.38Shirikjust so others couldn't read it
06:37.57Nom-pfft it's not hard
06:38.19Shirikthe code was hilarious; it attempted to detect if you were trying to break through his "hiding" technique
06:38.25Nom-There's code obfuscators around for perl which REALLY screw you up
06:38.28Neuro_MedivhShirik, was that the Alliance only mod?
06:38.34Shirikand then if you did, it completely jacked up your settings and wrote stuff all over the place
06:38.36Neuro_Medivher, the horde only mod
06:38.50Shirikhorde only?
06:38.56Nom-$user becomes $ab4afaaa449011290124ccff129012adccffee112093124124 or something like that
06:39.02Neuro_Medivhthere was some mod for queueing people in AV together
06:39.05Shirikdoubt it; it was written for an alliance raiding guild specifically
06:39.07Nom-some random md5 string that makes stuff really hard to follow
06:39.23Neuro_Medivhthe guy who wrote it obfuscated it massively with dozens of checks to see if the user was playing horde
06:39.32Shirikwow, didn't hear that one
06:39.35Nom-then you do even more whacked up stuff by creating aliases for those obfucsated variable names
06:40.03Shiriknah the one I'm talking about, he wrote it for his raid team and only his raid team, and he didn't want leaks so he did this
06:40.07Neuro_Medivhahh
06:40.23Shirikit has since been released publicly, and this is what RDX.Cid is based off actually, but ... yeah
06:40.41Shirikthis was a looong time ago though
06:41.24*** join/#wowi-lounge Iriel (n=daniel@adsl-71-158-244-138.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net)
06:41.37Shiriklol... farmers advertising power leveling to level 70 AND WAIT THERE'S MORE! You are guaranteed a level 40 mount!
06:41.59*** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o Iriel] by ChanServ
06:42.09ShirikI think this spam blocker I installed is doing me more harm than good.... it tells me that someone sent me a message that was blocked, and then I always click the little link that shows you the message that was just blocked because I'm curious
06:42.44leethalso.. how would I go on to add a "battle shout faded" message in large, friendly letters all over the screen using ace?
06:42.57leethalhm, I asked that without even checking wowace.com, never mind
06:43.04Shirikheh, good man
06:43.24Shirikby the way I'm just going to come out and say this... I hate ace, so don't expect me to answer how to develop with it ^^;
06:43.27leethalI'm actively redirecting noobs to api pages at #rubyonrails
06:43.56leethalShirik: ya, I was thinking about un-acing myself. Got a GM that develops addons, he use a cute little thing called dongle
06:44.11leethaland I can understand why he hates ace.. A bit to much functionality, really. Ever lasting beta =D
06:44.15bleetahthat AV queueing mod, there were several.. there was one variant, obsfucated code and all, that was horde only
06:44.25bleetahbut iirc, 2.0.1 removed the call that made it work
06:44.26Shirikreally all you needed was a script
06:44.34Shirikit was one function call that you needed to do
06:44.52Shirikand yes it has since been corrected; it was just a stupid functionality in the way it was working really
06:44.57bleetahI seem to recall norgs had a variant that'd also take into account the player's latency when determining when the queue gets joined hehe
06:45.02Shirikyou could call the function and tell it to queue you for AV as a group
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06:46.13bleetah'coz that original mod/hack/call/mod would invariably fail to work correctly for Oceanic players 'coz of latency ;)
06:46.18Shirikhttp://wowwiki.com/API_JoinBattlefield
06:46.23bleetahaye, that's the one
06:46.43ShirikYou can still use it
06:46.50Shirikit's just been corrected such that you can't join AV as a group anymore
06:47.28leethalstuff like this - http://tankalert.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/tankalert.lua - I don't really need ace for that, do I?
06:47.29subbotIm making money with tailoring. This is insane!
06:47.41bleetahreally? I ain't played AV recently, I might ask norgs to re-release.. 'coz it's concept and use of latency, was pretty sweet
06:47.53bleetahalthough it's prolly something Blizz don't like, and he wouldn't wanna upset them
06:47.54Shirikin theory those types of "forced groups" should still work
06:48.10Shirikif everyone pulls up their battlefield frame, it's the same as if everyone were to click "join battlefield" at teh same time
06:48.25bleetahyeah, which is where the latency measurement becomes important
06:48.29Shirikbut yes it would be one of those things that is "contrary to the Warcraft experience"
06:48.39bleetahif you're in a group with people of latency from 15ms to 450ms ;)
06:48.54Shirikyeah but think about it... how many people are queuing within those 450ms
06:48.58Shirik1 at most?
06:49.04Shirikit shouldn't set your group too far apart
06:49.13bleetahmost australians have a very hard time getting before 350ms
06:49.19bleetahs/before/below/
06:49.29bleetahalthough from sydney, 250-275ms is about 'right'
06:49.47bleetahif AT&T just put a transpacific layer 2 cable in... :/
06:49.56bleetahor Blizz hired one from them ... :/
06:49.57ShirikWhen has AT&T ever done anything right?
06:50.13Shirikwell I have to give them some credit they do better than brighthouse >.>
06:50.56bleetahif I had a 'standard' internet connection, my latency would go from 375 to about 420ms
06:51.09Nom-oooo just had a cool idea for CC
06:51.15ShirikI have a business connection and my internet is still horrible
06:51.17bleetahI'm layer 2 from Tasmania to Brisbane, to get to sydney it's quicker that way than layer 3 from Hobart to Sydney
06:51.21Shirikbut only so much you can ask for in Florida
06:51.22Nom-Is there a way to display a non-interactive unit frame for your focus ?
06:51.37Nom-Or can't you get your focus? :/
06:51.38Shirikthere's a way to display an interactive unit frame for your focus
06:51.58ShirikYou can do everything you need to do... UnitName("focus"), UnitMana("focus") all that good stuff
06:52.05Nom-Intresting
06:52.14Nom-That would make CC much easier
06:52.22ShirikSetAttribute("unit", "focus") if you're using a secure frame
06:52.41bleetahreally, tho, of course, Blizz should place the Oceanic realms in Nom-'s boss's cupboard ;)
06:52.58bleetahj/k
06:53.04bleetahwell... kinda
06:53.10Nom-Except that I don't play on an Oceanic realm
06:53.12Nom-So I don't care :P
06:53.25bleetahNom-: either there, or in Singapore, are the only two really sane choices.. or layer 2 across the pacific
06:53.53bleetahI'd hate to see the number of DB contentioon locks caused by Oceanic players mixing with stateside
06:54.10Nom-I'd play on the Oceanic realms if they'd move the downtime to Oceanic time
06:54.26Nom-And if I could convince most of my guild to transfer :P
06:54.37bleetahwe, really blows for west aussie players... one night a week the game's down.. what is it, 7pm downtime?
06:54.45Nom-10PM at the moment
06:54.50Shirikow...
06:54.52Nom-Well, that's what time it went down last night
06:54.56Shirikand to think I was mad that it was down for me at about 7am
06:55.09Nom-It goes down at 9PM when we're not on DST
06:55.14Nom-And If it's patch day, 7PM
06:55.15Shirikcome to think of it why the hell am I still awake >.>
06:55.37bleetahthere are times when they try and do hotfixes on oceanics out of main play time, which is good, but I guess due to most of the nature of the fixes, it can't always be achieved
06:56.04Nom-They Euro servers have their own downtime schedule
06:56.14Nom-The problem is that Oceanic and US are on the same client
06:56.14bleetahyeah, but they're on seperate clients
06:56.18bleetahheh, indeed
06:56.50Nom-When all the servers are on the same client, they have to take them off at the same time
06:57.03Nom-Otherwise Oceanic would be swamed during US downtime, and vice versa
06:57.21bleetahthey had been aiming for downtime once a fortnight when BC came out.. clearly things ain't gone to plan on that score
06:57.25bleetahor so I believe
06:57.35Shiriker... maybe stupid question
06:57.37Shirikwhat's a fortnight?
06:57.37Nom-Well, they skip downtime once every dnow and then
06:57.56Nom-SRSLY?
06:57.59Shirikyeah...
06:58.14bleetahfourteen-nights ;) two weeks
06:58.15ShirikI've never heard that term
06:58.23Nom-SRSLY?
06:58.28Shirikso... bi-weekly?
06:58.42bleetahI woulda thought that's twice a week
06:58.44ShirikI have /never/ heard "fortnight"
06:58.53Nom-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortnight
06:59.01Shirikif it meant twice a week, then why does "bicentennial" mean 200 years :P
06:59.06Neuro_Medivhfortnight is old english for 2 weeks
06:59.18Nom-ah here we go
06:59.24Nom-The term is common in the British Isles and many Commonwealth countries, but rarely used in the United States
06:59.29ShirikThe term is common in the British Isles and many Commonwealth countries, but rarely used in the United States. It derives from the Old English feowertiene niht, meaning "fourteen nights".
06:59.32Shirikyeah
06:59.36ShirikI'm US :P
06:59.43Nom-Silly US with your own english
06:59.52Neuro_Medivhso am I, but I still know what fortnight means =)
06:59.57Neuro_MedivhI also know what a lorry is
07:00.02Shirikerm
07:00.10Nom-lol lorry is a destinctive UK term
07:00.12Shirik*whispers to bleetah* what's a lorry?
07:00.13bleetahnom-: what do you expect for a country settled by illiterates around the time of the first printing presses becoming available ;)
07:00.19Nom-Here they're called 'utes'
07:00.25Shirik.....
07:00.37ShirikAt least we don't go around throwing "u"s all over the place uselessly
07:00.43Shirikcolour ... wtf
07:00.52bleetah(truth is, everyone was illiterate around that time.. just geographically speaking, because a specific dialect of english was the first printed in the US, that more or less became US english)
07:00.56Nom-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pickup_truck#The_Australian_ute
07:01.29Shirikso what you're saying is US english is "illiterate english" ?
07:01.36ShirikYou're calling me illiterate, aren't you.
07:01.46Nom-Well, the English invested English
07:01.52Neuro_MedivhMy parents were married, thank you very much!
07:01.55Nom-You barsardised it
07:01.57ShirikLies! Americans invented english!
07:02.13Nom-*bartsartdised
07:02.24Nom-bah can't spell with laggy ssh session
07:02.25Shirikthird time's a charm..
07:02.37bleetahno, I'm pointing out that it's a historical accident that US english was created around the same time that printing presses became widely used. as such, before the wide use of the presses, there was no 'standard' english
07:02.53Neuro_Medivhbah, you aussies, always drinking your Foster's and getting drunk as kangaroos!
07:02.58Shirikdon't take everything I say so seriously :P I'm not seriously offended
07:03.02Nom-*bastardised
07:03.12bleetahand any dictionary that *was* printed tended to be a combination of what the author spoke themselves, and what they deemed acceptable
07:03.23Nom-Fosters, sif!
07:03.27bleetahrather than a proper examination of what was being spoken by all dialects of english
07:03.33Nom-Swan Draft ftw
07:03.45bleetahfosters is like having sex in a canoe
07:03.50bleetahit's f*&#$%#$%g close to water
07:03.51Nom-You guys can't even spell colour correctly, so meh
07:04.17ShirikI honestly think if you take american english, and just throw random "u"s everywhere, you could pass it off as UK english
07:04.46bleetahif you take English, and throw in random 'yeehaws', you get US english :P
07:04.56Nom-PWNED
07:05.04ShirikI would like to take this opportunity to point out I have never once said "yeehaw"
07:05.12bleetahyou just did then!
07:05.13Shirikuntil now
07:05.38Nom-You and your whacked spelling of aluminium
07:05.54bleetahNom-: seppos, love 'em or loath 'em, they're fun to stir the possum with :-D
07:05.55Shirikaluminium? I didn't know you spell it that way
07:05.57Neuro_Medivhwe pronounce it differently as well
07:06.26ShirikThough I have to admit, aluminium does make a bit more sense
07:06.32Neuro_MedivhUS pronunciation:  Ah-loo-mi-num.
07:06.47bleetahnooclar bombz
07:06.53Neuro_MedivhBritish pronunciation: Ah-loo-min-ee-um
07:06.55Shiriknuke u lar
07:07.00Shirikthat's george bush, and only george bush
07:07.12Shirikand anyone who makes fun of him
07:07.18bleetahmake me wonder if he'd be able to find 'the' button if needs be
07:07.31Nom-nyoo-clear
07:07.36Neuro_Medivhlol
07:07.40Shiriknyoo?
07:07.45Neuro_Medivhyou think Karl Rove allows him anywhere NEAR the button?
07:08.09bleetahNeuro_Medivh: I think Dick's keeping Karl away from it, too ;)
07:08.10Neuro_MedivhBush isn't the president, Rove is.
07:08.13Nom-no wait *sounds out more in head*
07:08.16Temfor some reason "nyoo" draws to my mind the image of a character from vgcats saying "nyooo!"
07:08.19Nom-noo - clear
07:08.35Shirikthat's better
07:08.41bleetahdick would be 'noo karl, if anyone's gunna let him near it, it's me!'
07:09.09Nom-Here you go, lads.
07:09.10Nom-http://www.koalanet.com.au/australian-slang.html
07:09.14Nom-Go do some learning
07:09.27ShirikI prefer not to corrupt my mind
07:09.36Nom-Due.
07:09.40bleetahNom-: Lets Talk Strine
07:09.42Nom-American chicks dig Aussie accents
07:09.46bleetahalthough strine's a dieing language
07:09.50Nom-Every time I go on Ventillo they hit on me
07:10.00Shirikhrm
07:10.03bleetahNom-: how's the egg nishner?
07:10.06Shirikcan you not cast PW:Fort on an imp?
07:10.25Temwhen it's phase shifted, probably not
07:10.38Shirikah you're right it's phase shifted
07:10.47rjaymdoes anyone know where it says, if you don't feed a pet long enough, it will run away?
07:10.51ShirikI dunno I was just passing someone tried to fort them and first time I came across it
07:11.10Shirikif you don't feed pet it gets unhappy
07:11.14Shirikif your pet gets unhappy, it runs away
07:11.26rjaymya where does it say that
07:11.31Shirikdiscrete structures: if A imp B, and B imp C, then A imp C
07:11.44Shirikumm
07:11.45rjaymor was i supposed to learn by doing
07:11.47Shiriksomewhere out there
07:11.56ShirikI'm sure it say something like that
07:12.02rjaymlols
07:13.03ShirikWhen you first tame a pet, their Loyalty index is at the lowest level. If you immediately feed them, this will raise happiness, which in time, will help to raise the pet's loyalty index. So, keep in mind that loyalty is directly tied to happiness. You cannot neglect one without the other trait suffering. There are several stages of Loyalty:
07:13.03ShirikRebellious
07:13.03ShirikDuring this stage, your pet's happiness fluctuates a great deal. If the pet or yourself are constantly dying, or if you dismiss the pet too often, he can begin to become very hard to handle and may leave you.
07:13.23bleetahyup
07:13.27bleetahpretty funny, too :)
07:14.00bleetahI use the trash stable slot to creat RP tales that'd make the ASPCA cringe ;)
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07:14.16bleetahwb Cairenn|afk
07:15.02Cairenn|afkthanks, and good night :)
07:15.08bleetahnn, rest well
07:15.18Nom-hmmmmmmm
07:15.25Cairenn|afkhope so =/
07:15.28Nom-Anyone know how the Outlook 2007 auto configuration works?
07:15.32Shiriklike crap
07:15.35Cairenn|afkgonna have to give in and go to the doc tomorrow - back getting worse
07:15.35bleetahpurl, hug Cairenn|afk
07:15.39purlACTION hugs Cairenn|afk tightly until Cairenn|afk turns slightly blue
07:15.44bleetahgah
07:15.49bleetahwas gunna say but gently!
07:16.07Corrodiasi do believe i'm almost out of quests that don't involve instances
07:16.15ShirikWhy are you using that POS anyway?
07:16.41bleetahShirik: prolly forced to by his employer
07:16.41Shirikthunderbird works perfectly
07:16.46Shirikmmm perhaps
07:16.55Shirikprobably using damn microsoft exchange server
07:17.05Shirikthis is, my friends, why proprietary software is evil
07:17.25Nom-Nah, just curious coz we've noticed a few customer calls about trying to configure Outlook
07:17.37Nom-Looks like it uses an XML file to get the mail settings
07:17.45Shirikah, well when I did use email.... I've always done everything manually
07:17.47Shiriker
07:17.49Shirikwhen I did use outlook
07:17.51Nom-Might be able to fix it so it auto configures :P
07:18.08Shirikit might work like proxy auto-configuration
07:18.13Shirikthat's nothing more than a guess though
07:18.53Shirikproxy auto-config, if I understand correctly, sends a message out into the void "hey I need a configuration script" and the server sends one back
07:18.58Shirikwhich it then parses and uses to configure
07:19.03Nom-Nah, it's not that
07:19.05Shirikbut I never really did understand that stuff
07:19.26Nom-Outlook tries to access an Auconfigure.xml file (or something like that) from the web site based on the email address types in
07:19.33Nom-Outlook 2007 this is
07:23.11bleetahNom-: someone in ##australia *might* know, some of them have to deal with braindead customers as well ;)
07:24.18leethalso.. when battle shout fades, I do a frame:SetText("battle shout faded"). Any pointers on where in the API to look for how to hide this frame after, say 5 seconds?
07:24.39ShirikHrm... do you just want this to show up on your screen?
07:24.54leethalya
07:24.57Shirikwhy not just do something like UIErrorsFrame:AddMessage("Battle Shout Faded!");
07:25.19leethalwould that be one of these ugly error popups I'll have to press "OK" on?
07:25.27Shirikit's probably more "correct" to do RaidWarningFrame:AddMessage("Battle Shout Faded!");
07:25.33leethalaha, nice
07:25.39Shiriknope, it's just like a raid warning, but only you see it and no sound
07:25.46Shirikit's the text part of a raid warning
07:25.50Shirikor error message
07:26.00leethalthe UIErrorsFrame is the "not enough rage" kinda messages?
07:26.24Shirikyup
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07:26.54leethal-if- i wanted to do it with my own frame - say, have pretty large font size for instance - how would I create a frame that hides after x milliseconds?
07:27.02leethalany api function/event pointage will do =D
07:28.46Shirikheh
07:28.47Shirikwell
07:28.58Shirikyou basically need to worry about OnUpdate, and then set the alpha over time
07:29.00leethalI'm guessing there's some totally different way to do this
07:29.01Shiriksomething like...
07:29.07Shirikhere's some of my code
07:29.12leethalyay =D
07:29.22ShirikI hope this doesn't dc me >.>
07:29.24Shirik-- Generates an animator that fades the frame.
07:29.24Shirikfunction RDX.Alert.GenFadeFunc(froma, toa, t0, dt)
07:29.24Shirikreturn function(self, t)
07:29.24Shiriklocal f = (t-t0)/dt;
07:29.25Shirikif(f<0) or (f>1) then return; end
07:29.27Shirikself:SetAlpha(froma+((toa-froma)*f));
07:29.29Shirikend
07:29.31Shirikend
07:29.47Shirikit's kinda ofuscated but.... basically
07:29.53Shirikyou need to do a SetAlpha() every so often
07:30.07Shiriklike... watch your OnUpdate handler, wait about 0.2 seconds and then take it down 0.1 alpha
07:30.08Shiriketc.
07:30.36leethalwow, I'm totally new to event programing, really. I'm used to browser requests and that kinda stuff
07:30.45leethalI'll just use the raid warning hehe
07:30.49Shirikok basically, every frame gets an OnUpdate event
07:31.04Shirikyou can do something like frame:SetScript("OnUpdate", someFunction);
07:31.12Shirikand that someFunction will be called as often as it can be
07:31.28Shirikarg1 will be the time since the last time it was called
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07:31.49Shirikthus, you can keep adding arg1 until you get something like 0.2 which indicates it's been 0.2 seconds since you last handled the event
07:31.59Shirikthen go ahead and take the alpha value down a bit
07:32.03Shirikonce you hit alpha 0, destroy the frame
07:32.08Shirikwell you can't really destroy frames but you get the idea
07:32.25Shirikbut.... it may be much easier just to use the raid warnings frame for your purposes
07:32.43leethalproblem is that I won't really notice a raid warning
07:32.53Shirikplay a sound with it :P
07:32.55leethalI want super large letters for one second, then vanish
07:33.11leethalI'll play around with frame:SetScript()
07:33.59Shirikhrm, if you want to see how to use an OnUpdate handler
07:34.35Shirikoh hell isn't there a wowwiki file for this?
07:34.51Shirikhere it is http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Use_OnUpdate_correct
07:35.09leethalah, nice
07:35.31ShirikDid you use xml to set up your frame?
07:36.13leethalnope, lua
07:36.51leethalcreating a frame on OnEnable()
07:37.03leethaland adding stuff to it on an event
07:37.15leethalpermanently =P
07:37.26Shirikok, then just use SetScript
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07:38.25leethalframe:SetScript() inside the event function? (ace has one function per event)
07:38.52Shirikum... like I said I can't speak for ace
07:39.06ShirikI know that at the very root, you will need to set your OnUpdate handler to some function
07:39.15Shirikwhether or not ace takes care of that for you, I don't know
07:39.26leethalbah, this is why I want to get rid of ace
07:39.32leethalwon't learn the basics by using it
07:39.41Shirikone of the reasons I recommend against it
07:40.06leethalthis is just basic event handling anyways, so I'll just un-ace
07:40.09leethalI guess..
07:41.47Shirikso basically
07:42.00Shirikif you can figure out how to get OnUpdate to work.... you know you want to update, say, every 0.2 seconds
07:42.18Shirikif you want it to have completely faded out after 1 second, then after every 0.2 seconds you want to reduce the frame's alpha by 0.2
07:42.34Shirikwhich can be done with frame:SetAlpha(frame:GetAlpha()-0.2)
07:42.37leethalI guess every second is ok, no need to fade. I'll just rudely hide it in an instant
07:42.49Shirikand once it hits zero, :Hide()
07:43.15leethalhmm
07:43.44Shirik1 second's pretty quick though
07:44.34leethalya, I'll probably make that configurable somehow when I release it
07:44.40leethalas of now it's hardcoded for my own needs
07:55.16leethalso.. this frame is CreateFrame("FRAME", "name", UIParent). If I don't SetWidth and SetHeight, it's nada. Can I make it dynamic in size so I don't have to set this like that?
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07:56.04Shirikum
07:56.07Shiriknot sure I'm following you
07:56.14leethalheh
07:56.15Shirikif you don't SetWidth and SetHeight, you won't see it
07:56.20Shirikyou also won't see it if you don't SetPoint
07:56.38leethalya, SetPoint is CENTER and UIParent
07:56.54Shirikok so you want it to be dynamically sized
07:57.04leethalya
07:57.08leethalnot a big deal tough
07:57.13Shirikwhy, and what would indicate to teh frame that it needs to chagne?
07:57.22Shirikugh.... I'm obviously getting tired by the lack of spelling
07:57.30leethalthe contents of a SetText
07:57.36leethalhehe
07:58.09leethalI'm just used to being DRY, so I don't wanna set it if I can make it fit dynamically. But, again, if it's hard to do, it doesn't really matter that much
07:58.30Shirikit's not "hard" it just takes some figuring out
07:58.54Shiriklike determining ok it'll be 10 pixels per character, so let's set the width to 10 * number of characters in the string
07:59.09Shirik(that's just a fictitious number, you would have to do the figuring out yourself)
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07:59.29leethalah, I see
07:59.38ShirikI really think you're better off just saying something like 300 for width
07:59.42leethalyep, me too
07:59.43Shirik100 for height
07:59.53Shiriksince it's an invisible background from what I hear, it won't make a difference
08:00.30Shirikin the case where you overflow your bounds, the WoW UI's API automatically truncates your string and appends a "..." to make it fit
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08:01.12Shirikthus why the crappy honor UI always shows, for me, something like ~... under "honor today"
08:01.40leethal=P
08:02.00Shirik:( nobody's writing on the forums, now I feel useless
08:02.17ShirikI'm just sitting here doing nothing... rather I'm thinking about what I should be doing and coming up with excuses why I'm not going to bed
08:04.10leethalthose tend to be many
08:04.17leethal9 in the morning here, still no sleep for me
08:04.50Shirikyeah well, I just sent an email to two of my professors and both of them want me to meet them tomorrow, plus I have a full day of classes tomorrow (9am to 7pm. ... I think I was drunk when I made this schedule)
08:05.04ShirikI'd prefer not to walk into their office looking like I just came from the bar
08:05.08leethalwoha
08:05.11leethalUIFrameFadeIn
08:06.06Shirikhrm
08:06.12Shiriknot a real API, but found in UIParent.lua
08:06.15Shiriklet me go check it out
08:06.27leethalUIFrameFadeIn(frame, duration)
08:08.36Shirikwell that's nice
08:08.52Shirikit's a convenience function
08:08.57Shirikit handles the dirty work for you
08:09.37leethalme likes
08:09.59Shirikone thing I don't understand is that it should have to call UIFrameFadeUpdate()
08:10.13Shirikand I don't see where it ever does that - I would have thought it hooks the OnUpdate handler to do a UIFrameFadeUpdate()... but it doesn't
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08:10.51leethalhumm
08:12.17ShirikI see exactly what it does
08:13.18Shirikthe function sets up a table, FADEFRAMES, which OH
08:13.23ShirikI get it
08:13.42leethalftw
08:13.48Shirikthere is this table, FADEFRAMES which it's always checking
08:14.14ShirikUIFrameFadeIn/UIFrameFadeOut add your frame into that table with information about what it should do
08:14.36ShirikUIFrameFadeUpdate() is frequently called, checks to see if there's any frames in FADEFRAMES and operates upon them accordingly
08:14.42Shirikpretty slick
08:14.50leethalcoolness
08:15.38leethalwhat's the thing about ending lines with semicolon in lua, by the way? Totally optional, isn't it?
08:15.48Shirikvery optional
08:15.50ShirikI do it out of habit
08:16.14krkapretty slick? the blizzard ui code for fading frames is retarded
08:16.17Shirikand in UIParent.xml I bet I'll find a call to UIFrameFadeUpdate()...
08:16.20leethali come from Ruby, so I never do it (out of habit)
08:16.24krkaand consumes a lot of cpu, according to my benchmarks
08:16.28Shirikoh I'm sure it does
08:16.34Shirikbecause most of the time it's unnecessary
08:16.43Shirikbut the fact thaty ou don't have to make an OnUpdate() for every frame to fade
08:16.45Shirikis kinda interesting
08:17.04ShirikAnd sure enough...
08:17.07Shirikin UIParent.xml ... <OnUpdate>UIFrameFadeUpdate(arg1); UIFrameFlashUpdate(arg1); FCF_OnUpdate(arg1); ButtonPulse_OnUpdate(arg1); UnitPopup_OnUpdate(arg1); BattlefieldFrame_OnUpdate(arg1); RequestBattlefieldPositions(); CheckReadyCheckTime(); AnimatedShine_OnUpdate(arg1)</OnUpdate>
08:17.24Shirikhmm... I still like my method of doing it though
08:17.30Shirikhandle fading on your own terms
08:20.39leethalbah.. how can I make the font larger than the default size? http://wowi.pastey.net/7281
08:21.18Shiriklol
08:21.19leethalhmm.. SetScale perhaps
08:21.25ShirikI like how you used semicolons on 50% of the lines
08:21.38leethalheh, it's pasted from tutorials and stuff
08:24.12Corrodiasah, Little Nicky is a great movie
08:25.23Shirikhttp://wowi.pastey.net/7282
08:25.56Shirikyou also failed at capitalizing Frame correctly
08:26.06ShirikCreateFrame("FRAME", "tankalert_FRame", UIParent)
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08:28.41Shirikyou also have some jacked up stuff going on with your quotation marks
08:28.47Shirikturn on syntax highlighting
08:29.40Shirikpretty sure this is what you intended: http://wowi.pastey.net/7283?lang=lua
08:30.17leethalya, I was also looking at that quotated $foo
08:30.31leethalit was pasted from a tutorial, tough, so I gathered it was some fancy lua stuff =/
08:30.33leethalthanks =D
08:30.39Corrodias"Occasionally after players are defeated in the Caverns of Time: Opening of the Dark Portal encounter on Heroic difficulty, the placeholder versions of the bosses that appear in future attempts that day would not spawn."
08:30.53Corrodiasdoes this mean you can only attempt it once per day, or what does it mean by placeholders?
08:31.42leethalnever done it in heroic, no idea what these placeholder versions are
08:31.51Shirikit's 3:30 am and I can't try to make sense out of that right now ><
08:32.29leethalwent to Karahzan today tough, that rocked
08:33.00Corrodiasargh
08:33.04Corrodiasour guild is so far behind
08:33.18Shirikright... it's 3:30
08:33.21Shiriktime for bed
08:33.24Shiriktake care all
08:33.29leethalpwnd the first two bosses and almost the 3rd first try today. Not exactly nihilum, but we're t3h satisfied
08:33.33Corrodiasalthough i can't expect too much from a semi-casual raiding guild. i don't think we even have 25 people at level 70 yet.
08:33.37leethalShirik|zZz: thanks and all =D
08:33.48leethalCorrodias: Karahzan is 10 man, btw
08:33.57Corrodiasjigga wha?
08:33.58Shirik|zZzyeah it's 10 man
08:34.02Shirik|zZzwith like 12 bosses
08:34.07Corrodiasyour mom! :o
08:34.24leethalthe guild I'm in is just having 3 raid days. Focusing on doing it super imba good instead
08:34.30Shirik|zZzok 10 bosses
08:34.31Shirik|zZzsame difference
08:34.39leethalwe cleared ZG in 2.30 before BC :O
08:34.41Shirik|zZzhttp://wowwiki.com/Karazhan
08:34.42Shirik|zZzhave fun
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08:34.51nuoHepCorrodias, on heroic, if you wipe ater some boss (on 8th wave for eg), the boss will not spawn. so BM does not become a large badge factory. instead of the boss spawns a usual rifter or whatever
08:35.24zesprihello people! anyone plays texas poker?
08:35.27leethalbah, I want to have larger font that GameFontRedLarge *googles*
08:36.05leethalwhy isn't that easy *cry*
08:46.17Corrodiasbadge?
08:47.23Corrodiaswe couldn't get past the second boss today in normal mode, but then we only had one tank, and a voidwalker trying to switch off to let him lose the healing debuff. the aoe taunt grabbed adds and screwed us up.
08:50.42Corrodiasyou know, they attack the voidwalker, somebody heals the voidwalker, i heal that person if it wasn't me, they interrupt my casting... it was just a mess.
08:51.21Corrodiasactually, on the first attempt, the tank engaged the boss before everyone was close enough and he was dead before the other healer or the warlock were there. silly guy.
08:51.37leethaltalking 'bout Moroes?
08:51.54Corrodiasi... think so
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08:52.24leethalthe rogue dude?
08:52.27leethaldinner party? =D
08:52.47Corrodiashuh?
08:52.58leethalKarazhan? Second boss?
08:53.00Corrodiasno, the instance. in the cavern of time.
08:53.03leethalah
08:53.06CorrodiasMorass, Black.
08:53.12leethalnever done that heroic
08:53.20Corrodiasthis wasn't even heroic ._.
08:53.34pastamancergotta keep him dispelled
08:54.28Corrodiaswere we to have a second tank, it would have worked, but the voidwalker's taunt pulled in extra mobs that we weren't prepared to deal with
08:54.29pastamancerthe second boss buffs himself with a 300% haste or something ridiculous like that
08:54.40pastamancerand the healing debuff is a chance on hit
08:54.54Corrodiasaha. that could help. thanks for the information.
08:54.58pastamanceryou only need one tank if you stay on top of dispells and ignore the adds
08:55.08Corrodiasi don't know if the mage/priest were doing that sort of thing
08:55.22pastamanceruse a beacon after the fight to clear up the adds but ignore them durning the fight
08:55.51pastamancerI did BM 4 times today and 2 times yesterday to get guildmates keyed
08:55.53Corrodiashow does that compare to using a beacon near medivh before the fight, so they engage adds as they come?
08:56.07leethalwtf how does SetFont() work!!
08:56.12leethalit's not doing anything
08:56.15pastamancermedivh's shield is huge, the adds harly dent it
08:56.28Corrodias<frame>:SetFont(<other frame>:GetFont())
08:56.38Corrodiasthat's the only format i could figure out
08:56.43leethalhuh
08:56.56leethalso, how do you set the font of <other frame>?
08:57.52Corrodiasi dunno
08:58.22leethala, b, c = frame:GetFont() nicely returns everything
08:58.49leethaltrying frame:SetFont("fubar_font_path_yaya", 15) doesn't affect the output at all, tough
08:59.34Corrodiasindeed it doesn't
08:59.38Corrodiasbut i don't know how to use it
08:59.58leethaldo you by any chance have a splendid idea on how to make text larger than default size? =P
09:00.10pastamancerCorrodias: I found that the best group for BM is a tank, primary healer, shadow priest, lock/mage, rogue/hunter
09:00.10Corrodiasnooooo~
09:00.32Corrodiasoddly enough, we had a tank, feral druid healer, shadow priest, warlock, and mage
09:01.03pastamancerone person concentrates on the dragonkin adds, one person on the whelps, shadow priest goes nuts on the rift keepers
09:01.05Corrodiasit sounds like maybe we could have done it if we adjusted our tactice
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09:01.16Corrodias*tactics
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09:01.59Corrodiasbut i'd still feel better about the tank having a way to shake those debuffs. an unspecced druid + a shadow priest don't pump out huge amounts of healing
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09:03.37pastamancerI hear shield block with some luck can do that, but you really should be able to burn the boss down before the stack gets to 7 or 8
09:04.16Corrodiasmaybe we just suck, but i felt strained at 5
09:04.43Corrodiasbut maybe the priest was being harrassed by adds
09:05.30Corrodiasremoving his haste buff is very important, i guess, and as fast as that thing was stacking, we must not have been doing it
09:05.51Corrodiasi suppose it's easier to heal when the boss is only hitting 1/4 as often (plus magic)
09:05.57pastamanceryeah
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09:18.56Corrodiasi'm not used to bringing a lot of consumables to an instance...
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09:21.30pastamancerfor BM?
09:21.35ShadowedCorrodias never did Naxx I take it? :p
09:21.37Corrodiasno, i mean in general
09:21.47Corrodiasi didn't, no
09:21.50Shadoweddon't really need any pots unless you're doing heroics and you're undergeared
09:22.16pastamanceryeah, I'll use wizard oil if I have it, and whatever potions my alch alt has been skilling up on
09:22.50pastamancerbut that's really it except for the second boss in shadow lab that I bring a ton of mana pots for
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09:25.01bleetahoh man, I just got into an enchant pricing argument.. and was told to stfu and go learn to use enchantrix
09:25.45bleetahmt
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09:35.32bleetahany word on 0.10 tonight?
09:38.27TemI heard they were doing another ptr build before patching the live servers
09:38.37Temso according to that, no patch this week
09:38.43leethalthunder clap in def stance <3
09:38.48bleetahyeah, that was my understanding too
09:39.00Tembut really, I don't even remember where I heard that
09:39.05bleetahI'm presuming they'd have been testing whatever backend changes they're putting in, before building a new client
09:39.05Temmuch less if it was a reliable source
09:39.15Corrodiaslooking at blue.cardplace, it would almost seem like blizzard moderators like to ban trolls and flamers
09:39.19bleetahthe opengl bug report, tem, http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=79168668&sid=1
09:39.36bleetah"Sorry about this bug; should be all fixed up for next PTR patch."
09:39.40Corrodiasit seems rather rare, though
09:39.46bleetah" but the build was already too close to release for PTR to delay it another day. So, since this is beta software, we chose to go live with this first build anyway, in order to gain tester feedback on the many other changes over the weekend. The bug is already fixed and the next patch will address it. "
09:40.31bleetahthis is the thing, if their internal testers decide that there's not enough problems to deem a new PTR build and release, I doubt they'd bother going through the hoops.
09:40.50bleetahie, i think the opengl problem's happened before, and they know what code's at fault
09:41.54Tem*shrug*
09:41.58Corrodiasinteresting
09:42.00TemI dun really care one way or the other
09:42.08bleetahhehe, windows user! :-P
09:42.15Corrodiasalmost every item on the blue.cardplace first page is responses to threads about nerfs
09:42.26Corrodiasactually, that's not true
09:42.35Corrodiasi'd say a good 15% of them are about other posts/threads that were deleted
09:44.29leethalany good forums out there for addon devs (apart from worldofwarcraft.com ones)?
09:44.57Temwho needs forums when you've got irc
09:45.02Teminstant gratification!
09:45.10leethalfeel the love
09:51.29Corrodiasi would like to try healing with a full restoration spec, but then my ability to get anything done on my own would go down the drain
09:53.12Corrodiasthe question is, will i be useful to heroic 5-mans healing with a feral spec? and i fear that the answer might be no
09:53.25wobin_bleetah: Thanks for the heads up =)
09:55.15Corrodiaswould i be useful to 5-mans doing damage with a feral spec? doubtful; we have plenty of damage dealers. we lack tanks, but for whatever reason i have less than half of the armor a good tank should have
09:58.39Corrodiasaarrrgh i hate this >_<
10:04.05Corrodiasi like how alla -and- thott both have internal server errors whenever i'm trying to look something up
10:04.19leethalwowhead.com is full of win
10:04.22Corrodiasand when i say i like it, i mean i hate it almost as much as this spec nightmare
10:04.23leethalwaaay better than both
10:04.33Corrodiasokay
10:04.40Corrodiashow do i search for all back items with more than 180 armor?
10:04.54leethalnever had that
10:04.56Corrodiasi'm not seeing a more advanced search feature than "by name"
10:05.33leethalnever needed that kinda search, don't look at me
10:06.40ElkanoCorrodias: http://www.wowhead.com/?items=4&filter=sl=16;cr=41;crs=1;crv=180
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10:06.58Corrodiasooh
10:07.05Corrodias"browse" is their word for "search"!
10:07.20leethalah, "create a filter"
10:07.23Corrodiasthanks
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10:07.54bleetahTierrie: now I know who you are, I'm being told to report the string ph_pm_eh_th_tm to you
10:08.21leethalwtf stupid item http://www.wowhead.com/?item=17782
10:09.46Corrodias"Not available to players" means it's allowed to be stupid
10:09.58leethal=P
10:10.37Corrodiasthere's a problem here
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10:10.56Corrodiasthese sites haven't provided any way of distinguishing between loot from bosses in normal mode and loot from bosses in heroic mode
10:11.56KasoI thought in instances where the bosses dont change level for heroic, the loot doesnt change
10:12.04nevcairielit doesnt
10:12.19nevcairielonly the last boss drops an epic
10:12.44Corrodiasthe slave pens is below level 70
10:13.11nevcairielallakhazam can distinguish between normal and heroic
10:13.17nevcairielonly place i know, tho.
10:13.33Corrodiasallakhazam gave me a blank search results page :/
10:13.44nevcairielwhich boss?
10:14.23Corrodiasi searched for items, it loaded the navigation pane and the banner, and then sat there and apparently timed out
10:14.29nevcairielheh
10:14.33Corrodiastwice
10:15.14nevcairielworks fine for me, altho i am suppresing that banner :)
10:16.28Corrodiasi don't suppose priests can specialize in holy damage?
10:16.37Kasosure you can
10:16.38Temthey can
10:16.44Corrodias-does- anybody?
10:16.49Kasosome do
10:16.51Kasoits quite fun
10:16.52Tembut they're forever referred to as "lawl smite" afterwards
10:17.08Kasobut its only really good for grinding, pve/pvp it sucks
10:17.14Corrodiaso.o
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10:18.36Kasohttp://www.wowhead.com/?talent=bVMGzhrtbtZ0Et0bbVb
10:18.46Kasothat "the" holy dps build
10:19.25Kasoi mean theres a couple of talents which can be swapped around but the core SoL/SG/imp spirit/PI/FoW is the only decent combination
10:20.33KasoGetting Surge of light chains is fun :> http://kasoo.net/img/imgs/bestsol.jpg
10:21.16TemKaso, but um
10:21.55Temyour next smite spell to be instant cast, cost no mana BUT BE INCAPABLE OF A CRITICAL HIT.
10:22.03Temhow do chains happen then?
10:22.04KasoYah its bugged at the moment
10:22.16KasoIts been a known bug since early in the beta but never been fixed
10:22.19Temlol
10:22.29TemI had a cool bug once
10:22.33KasoAt the moment surge of light Costs mana, but can crit
10:22.43Kasoits better in its current form tbh
10:22.45Tembut they nerfed my 9k frostbolt crits within a week
10:23.22Kasowell theres a difference between one-hitting people and getting an extra 500 damage on a proc :>
10:23.25Corrodiaspriests don't get bugfixes
10:23.34nevcairielpriests only get nerfs
10:23.34nevcairiel:)
10:23.56KasoWell technically they fixed Mass dispell for us
10:24.58Corrodiasstfu, learn2qq
10:25.22Kasohahhaha
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10:28.32Corrodiasapparently, this was written in an earlier version of WoW: http://au.pc.gamespy.com/articles/706/706390p1.html
10:28.58nevcairielheh
10:31.51leethalany prot tanks around?
10:31.59Corrodiassad to say, no
10:32.15leethaltell your prot tank friends to give http://code.google.com/p/tankalert/ a shot =P
10:33.05KasoMan if i were a shaman i'd get so pissed off by constant whispering :<
10:33.29leethalall the shamans in my guild went OMG YES WE WANT THAT!!11
10:33.38leethalbut I'll make it turn-off-able
10:33.45leethalalso, it doesn't have that feature yet
10:35.26Kasoim noticing a slight problem
10:35.27Kaso"This project currently has no downloads."
10:35.59leethalworking on that
10:36.17leethalthought it auto-generated one from the version controlled source code
10:36.58Kasocant say ive everu sed google code
10:37.06leethalthere it is
10:37.21leethalit's even on the front page as "featured download" yay
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10:37.39leethalI'm working on making it less annoying tough
10:37.55leethalat least configurable to be the level of annoying the tank in question wants it to be
10:40.13KasoOn line 160 out_text should prob be defined local :>
10:41.20leethalah
10:41.39leethalline 161 noob
10:41.42Kasoalso ShieldWallDuration() should prob check the "Improved Disciplines" talenet in arms out of completeness
10:42.32leethalaha, forgot that one
10:42.36leethalnew in 2.0 and all
10:44.53leethalthanks =D
10:44.56Kasonp
10:45.36leethalI'm rather noob when it comes to lua. Is there any performance issues with local/none local variables, or is it just to be cool kid?
10:45.46Corrodiasi'm pretty noob when it comes to WoW
10:45.48leethal(apart from the scope issues of course)
10:45.54leethalCorrodias: noob
10:45.58Kasolocals are quicker to access considerably
10:46.31Kasoits common to make "local copies" of regularly called global functions, eg if you're calling some function ever OnUpdate or something
10:46.45leethalcool
10:47.01Kasolocal UnitBuff = UnitBuff
10:47.02Kasolike that
10:47.19Kasobut not really important to you, you're not doing anything partiually loading
10:47.26Kasoloading? what the hell
10:47.26leethalthat's when using UnitBuff a zillion times, right?
10:47.45KasoMoreso, when you're using it zillions of times a second
10:47.56leethalmm
10:47.57Corrodiasi need to think about what i want to do with my druid
10:48.08Kasoif your code is run very regually then you want to use locals to make it as fast as possible to prevent fps slowdown
10:48.09leethalCorrodias: gank => *poof* => fly away
10:48.17Corrodiasi don't pvp so much. i'm talking about pve.
10:48.23Kasoif your code is just called once or twice not an issue
10:48.31Corrodiasand besides
10:48.34leethalCorrodias: migrate to Sunstrider in Europe, we need a drood tank
10:48.42Corrodiasi can't poof until 6 seconds has passed since combat
10:48.47leethalKaso: I see
10:48.58Corrodiasmy guild needs tanks, too, but for whatever reason i'm having a hard time getting gear together
10:49.21leethalI got 4/8 tier2 look a like allready *murr*
10:49.24leethalalready*
10:49.41leethalwow is using 5.1, btw?
10:49.44Kasoyes
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10:49.48bleetahi gotta say, it's pretty funny to grind mobs whilst listening to Barry White
10:50.03bleetahI almost said 'grind to Barry White'.. but decided against it
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10:50.43Corrodiasshould i stay feral and try to work up to being a tank? should i change to restoration, giving up my solo power but immediately becoming more effective for the more demanding instances?
10:51.05leethalCorrodias: don't listen to what they say, do what you want to
10:51.16Corrodiasto what who say?
10:51.28Corrodiasi haven't talked to anybody. what i enjoy is being useful.
10:51.38[dRaCo]bear tanks are great, so you would be pretty useful to your guild
10:51.49bleetahwell, truly useful would equate to a complete set of gear in the bank that covers all specs
10:51.52[dRaCo]even more, if they have few tanks
10:51.54Corrodiasthey're only going to be "good" after 2.0.10 :/
10:51.58bleetahand being prepared to change spec at the drop of a hat
10:52.13leethalwoot, SendAddonMessage
10:52.16bleetahwe had a pally who'd do that.. eventually drove them mad
10:52.20leethalno need for silly 3rd party libs then
10:52.35Corrodiasi have four sets of gear at the moment, although bear and cat overlap significantly
10:52.40bleetahbut they were *damned* useful
10:52.50[dRaCo]they are very strong atm, a little nerf won't hurt much
10:52.53Corrodiasthe moonkin set is just in case i decide, for whatever reason, to change back to balance/restoration
10:52.53[dRaCo]my 2 cents
10:53.01bleetahthis was back before the decay in respec cost, too
10:53.26Corrodiasi need to improve my tanking gear a lot, but i don't know how, other than running these instances
10:53.56leethalwhat was the function to add a message to the chat window again?
10:54.00Corrodiasi have approximately 9500 armor now, in dire bear form
10:54.03leethalnot SAY or PARTY, just plain add to chat window
10:54.06[dRaCo]the heavy clefthoof set is good
10:54.08KasoChatFrame1:AddMessage()
10:54.09Corrodiasthat's "decent" for a level 60 tank
10:54.13leethalah
10:54.18Kaso1-8
10:54.27Corrodiasit is, [dRaCo], but that's only 3 pieces. apparently, everything else i have sucks.
10:54.53KasoI just found something interesting out, "local s=fred() return s" is the same bytecode as "return fred()"
10:55.03leethalKaso: doesn't work with macros?
10:55.08Kasosure
10:55.11[dRaCo]hm, yeah... good point
10:55.13Kasoyouve gotta put it in /run though
10:55.20leethalah, went /script
10:55.27Kasoboth the same
10:55.34Kasoi use run because it takes up less char :>
10:55.47leethalworked with /run, not with /script
10:55.59Kasohu?
10:56.11leethalblarg, I typed /console
10:56.18leethalso /script works, kek @ me
10:56.45[dRaCo]iirc, our druid wears some pieces of the rogue dungeon set
11:00.09bleetahi seem to recall grouping with a good druid tank who did the same
11:00.28bleetahcould be something to look into, Corrodias
11:00.38[dRaCo]the set is not bad for them... agi, crit/dodge, stamina
11:00.55bleetahyeah
11:01.20bleetahcoupla enchants, maybe some gems.. larfin' :-D
11:01.26[dRaCo]get some strength and you will be fine
11:01.55Corrodiasneed something to help against those 6k hits in heroic mode
11:02.07leethalis there any alternative to doing _, _, _, _, variable, _ = GetTalentInfo(3.13)?
11:02.08Corrodiaslike... a miracle
11:02.31[dRaCo]15k armor and 14k hp seem like the right thing ;)
11:02.43Kasoleethal you can do select(5, GetTalentInfo(3.13))
11:02.43Corrodiasthat would be nice
11:02.48leethalthanks =D
11:03.19Kasonote, select returns all arguments after and including the one you select
11:03.35leethalah
11:03.42Kasoso fred() return 1,2,3,4,5 end   select(3,fred() would return 3,4,5
11:03.47[dRaCo]our druid isn't online atm, otherwise I would have gotten his equipment for you
11:04.12Kasoyou can surround select with brackets to select just the first return
11:04.19Kaso(select(3,fred()))
11:05.30Corrodiashttp://au.pc.gamespy.com/articles/736/736017p1.html
11:05.34Corrodiasso terribly true
11:07.31Kasohaha
11:07.39Kasolast panel is best
11:08.23Temhehe
11:08.24Temhttp://au.pc.gamespy.com/articles/736/736421p1.html
11:10.11wobin_Kaso: But that would generate an unnecessary table
11:10.15wobin_So you want to avoid that
11:10.22Kasoit does?
11:10.28Kasoyou mean surrounding with brackets?
11:10.40wobin_oh wait
11:10.41wobin_hm
11:10.46wobin_I can't remember now =P
11:10.48Temsurround with parenths
11:11.25wobin_oh parenthesis are fine =)
11:11.31wobin_my eyes are horrible
11:11.39Temsurround with curly braces (sometimes called brackets, though I usually use "brackets" for "square braces") will create a table
11:12.22Kaso() brackets! {} curly brackets! [] Square brackets1 <> Angular brackets!
11:12.25Kasoits simple
11:12.51wobin_parenthesis =P
11:12.55Corrodiaswhere the hell do you get off calling my parentheses brackets?
11:13.04KasoEngland?
11:13.05wobin_Use the right terminology =)
11:13.06Corrodiasyou had better apologize, mister
11:13.47Kasoi make no apologies! in fact, Colour honour!
11:13.50Kasoeat that
11:14.41Corrodiasthen... a duel! >:o
11:15.10Corrodiasprowl! maim! feral charge! bash! warstomp!
11:15.24Corrodias*pounce
11:15.25KasoSpam PoM! oh wait :<
11:15.48[dRaCo]Frostshock.
11:16.14Corrodiaswtfohnoes
11:16.16[dRaCo]BAM!
11:16.22ElkanoI'll call them "Klammern" ;)
11:16.38Corrodiasi don't even know what frostshock does. i'm pretty noob when it comes to shamans, paladins, warriors, and probably something else
11:16.40Corrodiaspriests
11:16.51[dRaCo]insta-kill
11:16.57KasoDoes good damage and snares
11:17.07Kaso(the snare lasts longer than the cooldown on it)
11:17.16Corrodiasah
11:17.27Elkanoit instakills your enemy and if it doesn't your next one will since he can't get away
11:17.49Kasothe big old problem was you could perma-snare people with it, but it diminishes quite fast to immunity nowadays
11:18.11leethalin ruby I go something += something_else. What's that in LUA?
11:18.25wobin_something = something + something_else
11:18.27Corrodiassomething = something + something_else
11:18.28wobin_unfortunately =
11:18.29wobin_P
11:18.30leethalouch
11:18.36Corrodiassomething=P
11:18.40[dRaCo]still useful in pve, used it against moroe's adds yesterday
11:19.24KasoIve always wondered why lua didnt have += and ++ and stuff
11:19.47[dRaCo]it'd have to be called lua++, then :þ
11:19.54Corrodiaspossibly because that would be too similar to another language
11:19.56wobin_lua#
11:20.12Elkanosyntactic suggar...
11:20.34[dRaCo]sure, but it makes coding more comfortable
11:20.52Elkanomuch more, for sure :/
11:21.48Corrodiaswhy can't my character change his hair style?
11:22.19Kasobecause changing one field in a database is too hard for blizzard
11:22.55zenzelezzyou know... that reminds me of my two-week stay in SWG
11:23.22leethalI so badly want to change my human mage to an undead one
11:23.24zenzelezzone of the few things that stuck to me afterwards was how when I was out in the wilderness trying to learn the game, someone  ran up to me and wanted to change my hair
11:23.52Corrodiasso roll undead
11:24.01Corrodiasand griiiiiiiiiind like the wind
11:24.09leethalgot a loladin to level
11:24.14leethal(and a life to live)
11:24.40Corrodiasi've decided against paladin for now
11:24.46Corrodiasthen again, i don't seem to take -any- of my alts seriously
11:24.56Corrodiasmy highest alt that i don't have is only level 25
11:25.03Corrodiashave -> hate
11:25.29leethalgot a huntard at 28. Followed joanas guide, did 28 in 1 day /played
11:27.35Corrodiasmy little frost mage is 25, but i wonder if i'd rather do fire
11:28.03Corrodiasi wonder if i'll ever PLAY it again
11:29.02Corrodiaswell, it's time for me to sleep. 'ni
11:29.26leethalsome serious snow going on here
11:33.33chuckgWhat an endeavour that was, or waste of time your pick. http://chuckg.org/wow/fraps/stupidfish.php
11:34.28Corrodiasthat warlock has considerably more armor in his cloth than i do in my leather
11:34.53chuckgThe one in the video?
11:35.49Corrodiasyes, 2700
11:35.58chuckgThat's me!
11:35.59Corrodiasi think mine's 2300
11:36.04chuckgSay hi to arena gear.
11:36.13chuckgI actually top out around 3300.
11:36.21chuckgBut I didn't have the right trinkets on.
11:37.08Corrodiaswell, now i sleep
12:14.33Nom-*sigh*
12:14.35Nom-Stupid downtime
12:14.47Nom-Just went to log on and see I only have 45 minutes...no point
12:17.14cladhairei see pondering is easy =)
12:17.17cladhairedoing is more difficult :P
12:19.13Nom-Trying to think what i'll work on ;)
12:21.12[Ammo]work on real life, it's that time of the week :)
12:21.32[Ammo]cursed downtime hours etc
12:22.13wobin_heh
12:22.22wobin_I can't believe I'm naming my addon this =P
12:22.59Nom-pfft
12:23.03cladhairewhat are you naming it?
12:23.07Nom-$life is boring
12:23.10wobin_Where's My Cow?
12:23.57cladhairelol
12:24.17nevcairiellol
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12:25.13cladhaireright now, my navigation addon is called TomTom, as in your portable GPS solution =)
12:25.13Nom-cygwin is hardcaw :D
12:25.24wobin_cladhaire: hehe =)
12:28.28Nom-Anyone know if there's an LUA addon for Eclipse ?
12:30.36bleetahthere is/was, I think it was for an earlier version of eclipse, and isn't up to date yet
12:30.54wobin_I think it covers 5.0
12:30.59bleetahI do recall asking in #eclipse, but the fact that I'm not running it would indicate no
12:31.18bleetahspecially with the new vmware/eclipse integration stuff... 'coz that'd be hawt
12:31.42bleetah(Vmware 6 beta)
12:31.45wereHamsterNom-, http://www.ideais.com.br/luaeclipse/ is the only one I know
12:31.55clad|worklater folks =)
12:31.59wereHamsterit works in eclipse 3.2
12:32.00bleetahcya clad :)
12:32.52bleetahwereHamster: yar? hmm, someone musta told me fibs, or I'm a loser.. or both ;).
12:36.42bleetahnn folks
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13:15.32wobin_yow
13:15.39wobin_Cairenn's new avatar
13:15.41wobin_yow
13:15.45wobin_...
13:15.54wobin_Isn't that off World of Whorecraft? =P
13:16.04wobin_Or is it generic hot elf babe?
13:18.59nevcairielgeneric
13:27.47JoshBorkelol
13:31.22wobin_><
13:31.31wobin_The tooltip for my addon is Cow.Tip
13:31.39wobin_I love this addon =P
13:34.22JoshBorkeyou making that addon you were talking about Wobin?
13:34.28wobin_yeah =)
13:34.52JoshBorkelol
13:36.10nevcairielwhats that cow addon doing?
13:36.16JoshBorkemaking milk
13:36.19JoshBorkeof course
13:36.40nevcairielmakes perfect sense
13:36.51wobin_Well, I was looking at the frames of an addon I was writing,..
13:37.04wobin_and thought ... Well, what's in that frame? State? What?
13:37.27wobin_So I'm writing Where's My Cow so I can mouseover the 'sillhouette' as it were and see whats inside
13:37.58sysrageis it still possible to make a macro that stops casting whatever you're currently casting and casts counterspell?
13:37.59Kasosomeone should make an tooltip addon called "Q"
13:38.27Kasosysrage  /stopcasting /cast Counterspell
13:38.31sysragecool
13:38.33sysragethanks
13:38.35wobin_You register your addon, then add each frame you want to track, then when you /moo 'addon' and mouseover the frames, it pops up with a tooltip with information about that frame that you either default, or put in specifically
13:43.06nevcairielwobin /moo is arelady an emote :/
13:43.29wobin_hm
13:43.34wobin_alas
13:43.40wobin_it'll have to be /cow
13:44.07wobin_or maybe /mooo
13:44.10JoshBorkeyes, haven't you even seen a tauren druid (*cough*cladhaire*cough*) and gone /moo?
13:44.17Kaso./mooo is best
13:45.36wobin_night =)
13:45.53JoshBorkenight wobin
13:49.05bleetahthere is no /baa though /wrist
13:49.11bleetah*though, /wrist
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16:06.28Neuro_Medivhhmm, for some reason, I thought Black Temple was already in Outlands
16:06.56zenzelezzphysically it is, but you can't enter
16:09.02Neuro_Medivhwhat about the other 'raid' areas in Outlands?  They open?
16:09.15zenzelezzsome
16:09.28zenzelezzGruul's Lair, and the Coilfang one at least
16:09.38zenzelezznot sure about others
16:10.22KasoZul'am...something is the other one that is in but not open
16:10.32Kasoits up with the blood elves
16:10.45zenzelezzis Magtheridon's open?
16:10.47Kasoyes
16:10.48Neuro_Medivhwell, I see 5 'raid' dungeons in Outlands
16:10.49Kasoand The Eye
16:11.13zenzelezzGruul is the only non-attuned one?
16:11.17Neuro_MedivhAnd then I think CoT has some 25 man raids as well
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16:11.25zenzelezznot yet
16:11.31zenzelezzBattle of Mount Hyjal will be a 25-man
16:11.50Neuro_Medivhwhich requires Black Temple I think
16:11.53Neuro_Medivhlol
16:12.31Neuro_MedivhAt least Blizzard is honest in saying the dungeons aren't done
16:12.43KasoIts odd that black temple isn't the "end" instances over
16:13.00Neuro_Medivhunlike SoE, who just "forgets" to put in a quest drop for months
16:13.08KasoYou'd think big scary demon guy would be stronger than some forest trolls
16:13.18zenzelezzwill be a while before people have the gear to do Black Temple and Hyjal anyway
16:15.51Neuro_Medivhno client patch today is there?
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16:26.49cogwheel|work~emulate cogwheel
16:26.51purlACTION shakes its fist at the forums
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16:52.46ShirikI don't understand how you could possibly have millions of dollars, dozens of servers, and the ability to handle millions of people in a real-time situation, yet can't maintain a simple, stable forum...
16:53.31MentalPower|Foodyou underestimate the traffic the WoW forums handle on a day-to-day basis
16:53.48MentalPower|Foodthis traffic is greatly increased when the game servers are down
16:53.52Shirikit can't possibly be more than the in-game traffic they have to deal with
16:53.55Shirikoh are servers still down :/
16:53.58ShirikI haven't tried to get in yet
16:54.00zenzelezzsure it can
16:54.15zenzelezzand the forums are just "one" server, the game is divided over tons
16:54.23Shirikwell perhaps that's their problem
16:54.28MentalPower|Foodalso note that in-game traffic can be mitigated by adding new servers and splitting up poulation between existing servers
16:54.33MentalPower|Foodyou can't do that with forums
16:54.42Shiriksure you can, I know of several places that have done it already
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16:54.59Shirikbut... I /did/ fail to realize that the game servers were still down
16:55.04MentalPower|Foodsure, go ahead and try to split up general
16:55.32Shirikit's honestly not that hard
16:55.37MentalPower|Foodwhatever
16:58.13cogwheel|worknot hard, maybe, but not worth it? definitely... why should they invest in extra hardware for the 4-8 hours a week when the realms are down?
16:58.29cogwheel|workplus, hopefully they'll be doing live maintenances more regularly...
16:58.33ShirikThat is somethin I could agree to
16:58.45ShirikThey really don't need to have forums at all; it's more of a courtesy than anything
16:59.36Mr_Rabies2wow forums still down?
16:59.43cogwheel|worksluggish, really...
16:59.48Mr_Rabies2i just scrolled up, ha
16:59.49cogwheel|workit's hit-or-miss
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16:59.56Mr_Rabies2i'm getting can't connects all the time
17:00.12Mr_Rabies2i've been refreshing the ptr page once every 5 seconds for just over 24 hours
17:00.54zenzelezzwhy?
17:01.01Mr_Rabies2its been down
17:01.11zenzelezzand you figured hammering it would help?
17:01.12Mr_Rabies2want to copy my druid and mess around with flying mounts :x
17:01.14Mr_Rabies2sure why not
17:01.23Mr_Rabies2er epic flying mounts
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17:08.31ShirikDoes anyone have a good way to extract common.mpq yet :/ WinMPQ doesn't like it for some reason, and neither does MPQEdit...
17:10.36nevcairielthere is a patched version of WinMPQ on WoWI which allows very big files, i think it works with that.
17:10.37cogwheel|workI've never done any futzing with MPQs except with BLPViewer & the UI extractor...
17:10.47Shirikoh is there?
17:10.49Shirikawesome
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17:18.34Shirik=/ the only one I see was last updated june 2006; it works with patch.mpq but not common.mpq
17:19.04Shirikmy understanding is the fact that common.mpq requires 64-bit integers, and winmpq uses 32-bit ones
17:19.10Shirikbut what do I know
17:20.08KasoGet learning the mpq specification and code one yourself!
17:20.38Shirikactually I looked at some specs for it a week ago I was just too busy to bother paying attention to it :P
17:20.45ShirikI might though; I really want those files ><
17:20.59KasoIm sure there are some working ones out there
17:21.14Shirikperhaps, but I think an hour of googling was enough for me to give up :P
17:21.25Shirikproblem is every time I searched "mpq" I was getting starcraft map editors
17:21.44Shirik(reminiscent of days long ago)
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17:27.38Kasohmm i remeber someone talking about a working extractor lemme see if i can find
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17:28.54ShirikXVI32 isn't liking a 3.5GB file ><
17:31.48Kasosomeone suggests http://code.google.com/p/mpqtool/
17:33.11Shiriknever heard of code.google.com ...
17:35.06Kasoits a commnity development thing i believe
17:35.14Kasoive seen it poping up more and more lately
17:35.24Shirikyeah it looks like that
17:35.48cogwheel|workgoogle's answer to sourceforge
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17:37.01Shirikyup that's the problem....
17:37.02Shirik"08h: int32 ArchiveSize : Size of the whole archive, including the header. Does not include the strong digital signature, if present. This size is used, among other things, for determining the region to hash in computing the digital signature. This field is deprecated in the Burning Crusade MoPaQ format, and the size of the archive is calculated as the size from the beginning of the archive to the end of the hash table, block table, o
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17:37.22Shirikbecause it no longer first in a 32 bit int, so that value isn't even useful anymore
17:37.24nevcairielthats why the old apps dont work anymore
17:37.32Shiriks/first/fit
17:37.37Shirikbleh
17:37.41nevcairielthey changed the format
17:38.13Mr_Rabies2there's a mywarcraftstudio out that works
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17:48.32sysragescrew wow. i'm gettin me an RC pigeon
17:48.32sysragehttp://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/C/CHINA_PIGEON_CONTROL?SITE=TXABI&SECTION=HOME
17:49.08Shirikwow..
17:49.24Kasobrawrk brawrk
17:49.24Kasowait
17:49.30Kasothats not the sound pigons make ;<
17:50.18Elkanodid you know that in order to not harm that many pigeons they first tried it on solo males sinze they got that many of them?
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18:26.54Mr_Rabies2ahhh, china, where all the discoveries will take place since none of that "ethics" stuff is a problem
18:28.10Mr_Rabies2hack into some bird's brain and make it remote controled? sure thing
18:29.06Mr_Rabies2now the question is how many pidgeons does it take to carry a nuke
18:29.07pastamancertheyv'e done it with rats
18:29.18pastamancernot carrying a nuke, but remote control
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18:29.41zenzelezzwell, the conspiracy theorist in me tells me the west isn't necessarily better, just more covert
18:30.40Mr_Rabies2these days everyone's afraid that the PETA and their terrorist buddies will rain on their parade
18:30.54pastamanceralthough, I wonder if you could use a remote-controlled pigeon to stab someone in the face over the internet
18:31.22pastamancerthat really is the pinacle of technology
18:31.40Mr_Rabies2they'll teach them how to carry nukes monty python style
18:32.43Mr_Rabies2"what's that blip on the radar jim?" "nothing, just a flock of pigeo-"*KABLAAAAM*
18:33.21zenzelezzyou can't use pigeons for nukes
18:33.28zenzelezzswallows on the other hand
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18:33.45pastamancerMr_Rabies2: not as crazy as you may think! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bat_bomb
18:34.28Mr_Rabies2The plan was to release bomb-laden bats at night over Japanese industrial targets. The flying bats would disperse widely, then at dawn they would hide in buildings and shortly thereafter built-in timers would ignite the bombs, causing widespread fires and chaos.
18:34.43Mr_Rabies2if they could convert the pigeon brain controller to work on bats
18:34.48Mr_Rabies2you've got built in sonar, too
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18:36.39Mr_Rabies2http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_balloon
18:36.52Mr_Rabies2japan used those in WWII to fairly decent effect
18:38.05Mr_Rabies2i mean even landing over here is amazing
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18:55.12wereHamster... Adams was recruited to research and obtain a suitable supply of bats. - 'suitable supply of bats' lol :)
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19:17.36Mr_Rabies2dammit ptr page
19:17.39Mr_Rabies2come back
19:17.47Mr_Rabies2i want to try out an epic flying mount
19:17.53OsagasuMan, legos rock.
19:21.00Mr_Rabies2http://www.adultswim.com/shows/athf/movie/carlspace/Kingcolonposter.jpg
19:21.04Mr_Rabies2man i want one of those for my room
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19:56.26sysrageActionButton1:SetAttribute("shift-action*", 2) and when you hold down the shift key, it will show the icon, feedback and tooltip for action 2.
19:56.29sysragevery cool
19:57.09sysrage[flyable] also very cool for muh mount macro
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20:23.18SVNBot[[SVN Update r50]] - r50 | generalmx | 2007-02-27 15:07 - http://code.google.com/p/thrae-wow
20:26.59kergothsvnbot?  why not just use CIA?
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20:28.25MentalPower|Univkergoth: CIA doesn't work with GoogleCode
20:29.07kergothif you cant install the necessary post commit hook, itd still be easy to write a standalone python (or whatever) daemon to monitor the upstream svn and upload the commit to CIA using xml/rpc
20:29.18KasoNow now using the entire resources of the US government's top intellegence agency as a revision control system seems a little wasteful...
20:29.21kergoththe cia interface is quite simple and straightforward to work with, i wrote the bitkeeper script for it
20:31.12MentalPower|Univdon't look at me, I'm just the messenger
20:31.18qw`Is it possible to get negative rep with your own faction (horde / alliance) ?
20:31.24kergothMentalPower|Univ: ah, who set it up?
20:31.26MentalPower|Univtekk is the coder IIRC
20:31.41Kasoqw`not any more
20:31.46kergothjust seems silly to write a new bot and all when the infrastructure already exists
20:31.56qw`hehe that must've been fun
20:32.03KasoRIP that quest line
20:32.16qw`which one was it?
20:32.31Kasoumm for horde, Test of lore i think the name was
20:32.42MentalPower|Univalso, I don't know if this was part of the reason for SVNBot, but CIA is kinda slow to setup the IRC bots
20:32.46Kasoif you failed anwsering some questions you got a debuff which made horde npcs hostile to you
20:33.04KasoPeople liked to kill thrall with it
20:33.16Kasoor tank all the AH npcs out of reach
20:34.48zenzelezzI got a Test of Lore debuff on horde once, but all it did was put a Hunter's Mark sort debuff on me
20:36.25KasoThat was prob post nerf then
20:36.41zenzelezzI did something brilliant during today's Kharazan raid... we were clearing trash after Curator, on the stair on the other side of the room behind him... I died on one of the big guys, got summoned, and then jumped to my death right after because I forgot fall damage
20:37.11zenzelezzexcept summoned = resurrected
20:37.23zenzelezzI suck at focusing while typing
20:38.38pastamancerhrm, does anyone know where thottbot is getting its spell data?  It's obviously one of the data files in the client, but I'm at work right now
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20:44.09SVNBot[[SVN Update r50]] - ! - http://code.google.com/p/thrae-wow
20:44.37cogwheel|work~poke Thrae
20:44.38purlACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Thrae, pokes Thrae repeatedly, hilarity ensues.
20:44.54JoshBorkeany one know of up to date HUDs?
20:45.07kergothits not that useful considering it isnt showing the commit log, unless thats thrae leaving the messages empty
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20:47.47cogwheel|work~lart Thrae
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21:17.27Mr_Rabies2this is fun :o
21:17.32Mr_Rabies2playing wc3
21:17.42Mr_Rabies2capturing caer darrow (where scholo is) for guldan
21:17.45Mr_Rabies2er wc2
21:18.47Shikatanaihow similar is the landscape in wc3 to wow
21:19.36Tem|Classprobably not very similar at all
21:19.41Mr_Rabies2pretty close, they modified it a decent amount
21:19.46Mr_Rabies2for space constraints
21:19.46Tem|Classthe plaguelands weren't plagued yet
21:19.58Mr_Rabies2they get plagued during the course of wc3
21:20.02Shikatanaiya of course
21:20.03Tem|Class*nod*
21:21.29Shikatanaii have a level 70 blood elf mage char and i went and got a scarlet tabbard from the scarlet initiates after herod and a crimson order robe so it looks like a scarlet crusade member, so i was like well heck i might as well equip this illusionary rod for the complete effect
21:21.49Shikatanaias soon as i did that... this level 40 nab reported me as having a "bought char" since i "obviously" didn't know what i was doing by equipping a rod like that
21:22.11zenzelezzlol
21:22.20Mr_Rabies2rooofl
21:22.35Shikatanaiand he wasn't just like   "reported for reporting"
21:22.48Shikatanaihe was like...   "reported. filthy RMT scum"
21:22.53Shikatanai30 mins later a GM did message me
21:23.00pastamancerlol
21:23.31Mr_Rabies2whatd he say
21:23.33Shirikand..?
21:23.43Shikatanaihe just asked me some basic questions about my account
21:23.49Shikatanaibilling wise
21:23.59Shikatanaito ensure i was the actual account holder and that the account had never been transfered to anyone
21:25.00ShirikYou should have said something like
21:25.08Shirik"I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that it might incriminate me"
21:25.14nevcairiellol
21:25.15Shikatanaii told the GM it was highly offensive that some random nab has the power to potentially get people in trouble for something as stupid as wearing low level gear... just playing dress up
21:25.35bleetahor said 'ni hao!'
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21:26.23Mr_Rabies2a week from now you should report him for buying his account
21:26.24Mr_Rabies2:p
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21:26.29bleetahholy crap, I don't believe it.. *finally*, sixth attempt, LOTRO beta has actually installed!
21:26.38Shikatanailol
21:26.59bleetahand by 6th attempt, I mean 6th complete d/l
21:27.25Kaso<Shikatanai> 30 mins later a GM did message me -- Somehow i know this story isnt happening on an EU server
21:27.33Shirikrofl
21:27.40zenzelezzdepends on the issue Kaso
21:27.57zenzelezzthe famous Mechanar lift bug gave a GM response in 10 minutes
21:28.12Shirikwhen I locked my character on a server, I was out of game for 16 hours >.>
21:28.19KasoWell GMs respoding to any player "reports" is unheard of in my experience
21:28.35Mr_Rabies2and now i'm going to make the elves leave the alliance officially :D
21:28.35Kasoive seen the same bots running around month in month out
21:28.37Mr_Rabies2cutting off the human supply lines to quel'thalas
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21:29.56wobinwhat was the lift bug?
21:29.57Mr_Rabies2well i think that started the gears turning, and they officially left later, actually
21:31.45Shikatanaihow do you add the original spell/ability tooltip to a macro so it displays the correct tooltip on mouse over?
21:32.05Kaso#showtooltip Whatever Spell
21:32.35Mr_Rabies2or just #showtooltip
21:32.37Mr_Rabies2with nothing else
21:32.45Mr_Rabies2and it'll show the tooltip of whatever the icon is at the time
21:32.53Mr_Rabies2for sequences, etc
21:33.02ShikatanaiKaso: I had 2 different GMs message me within 15 minutes of being reported for "rooftip camping/exploiting" in darkshire
21:33.13KasoYou on EU?
21:33.17ShikatanaiUS
21:33.22Kasoexactly :>
21:33.47Shikatanaii killed level 65+ people in darkshire from the rooftops, and actually got killed several times myself
21:33.53KasoMy point is that EU GM services are worthless.
21:33.56Shikatanaibut no the GMs were not content to leave it alone they had to go and threaten to ban me for it
21:34.02Kasotheres a reason gold costs 1/10 the price in EU
21:35.49Shikatanaithe next day in area 52 i am totally obliterated by people rooftop camping - i report them for it, and i'm told that it is not an exploit or an offense if done in outland...
21:35.51Shikatanaii'm just like wtf
21:37.18Kaso50g In US = $12 | 500g in EU $36, our gms dont ban gold-bots, nor do they do anything pretty much
21:37.42Shikatanai50g for 12 dollars is such a rip.  i can make 350g in 2 hours
21:37.48Shikatanaimaybe i should sell gold haha
21:38.58wobinShikatanai: the whole point of 'rooftop' camping is that you generally have no chance to get on the roof legally =P
21:39.07wobinWhile in outland, you have every chance =P
21:39.22Shikatanaithis was a roof that you could jump on without a mount or anything
21:39.31Shikatanaiin fact the allies kept coming up there to kill us
21:39.43Shikatanaiwe managed to keep them off with frostbolt rank 1s for the most part though
21:39.54Shikatanaiwhen they got on they usually death hopped over
21:40.02wobinhehe
21:40.06wobinwho knows, then =)
21:40.22Shikatanaithe GM told me it was because the guards couldnt' path to us
21:40.30Shirikcorrect me if I'm wrong
21:40.31Shikatanaifunny thing i was one shotting every level 65 guard in sight that tried to fuck with us
21:41.03Shirikthe combat log doesn't show info about rogue poisons... it just says something like "_____ is afflicted by Deadly Poison (5)"
21:41.10Shiriknothing about who applied it
21:41.47Shirikand there's no way to detect when you've applied a poison, aside from that line, which won't work in the event that you have more than one rogue
21:42.09pastamanceryou could scan the tooltip for your weapon buff
21:42.16pastamancerdoesn't that list the remaining charges?
21:42.23wobinyeah, but you wouldn't know if it's yours or not
21:42.47wobinor if you're overwriting another rogues
21:42.56Shirikdoesn't each rogue get their own stack?
21:43.01wobinalthough, I guess it's more about what you're wanting with that information
21:43.07pastamanceryou'd know if you had one less charge than before
21:43.07bleetahfwiw, LOTRO crashes out under Wine
21:43.13wobinbleetah: =(
21:43.14Shirikthanks pastamancer
21:43.41bleetah*might* be able to get it going, but looks like I'll need to copy a bunch of .dll's from a genuine install
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21:48.12GremDoes anyone know any mods or public information that has all mob locations?
21:48.22Shirikthottbot.com?
21:48.24GremIn a database or compiled-style format
21:48.27Shirikek
21:48.38GremThottbot has a rough sketch of general locations
21:48.43GremAnd it's not well compiled
21:48.52GremIs there anything else out there that has better data format?
21:48.58Shirikthat database size would be huge in-game
21:49.07GremYeah it would
21:49.13GremBut there are plenty of mods that have huge data =)
21:49.17GremLike ItemSync or Auctioneer
21:49.24ShirikI was thinking lootlink but yeah
21:49.39_Grem_Right
21:49.42Shikatanaiok all of a sudden my ace2 addons are broken
21:49.43_Grem_There are mods like that
21:49.50_Grem_So are there any mob location things?
21:50.04ShirikI know MobInfo2 will record what you've seen
21:50.08Shirikand where they are
21:50.09ShikatanaiAceOO-2.0.lua line 723 AceModuleCore-2.0: OnInstanceInit cannot be called twice
21:50.22ShirikShikatanai: Delete ace.
21:50.27ShirikThere's your solution.
21:50.30Shikatanailol
21:50.39Shikatanaii don't have a seperate ace install
21:50.45Shikatanaijust the embedded ace2 libs
21:50.53kergothShikatanai: whats the first error?  perhaps its breaking the rest?
21:50.53Shirikcan you get a stack trace?
21:50.54Shikatanaiall of a sudden they all just broke i did nothing different
21:51.06Shikatanaii'll have to install devtools hold on
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21:54.16Shikatanaiwth now my fubars all just went blank
21:55.32Shikatanaithere has to be something deeper at work here
21:57.13Shirikmy hax! They are working perfectly! Now on to global domination of Azeroth!
21:57.27Shikatanailol
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22:08.01wobinnow now., Shirik, you know the real answer is to delete your Addon and WTF and WDB folders
22:08.14wobinAnd then reinstall windows, just to be safe
22:08.19Shiriknah
22:08.24Shirikthe real answer is to delete windows
22:08.28Shirikand never put that pos on your computer again
22:08.39Shirikunfortunately I'm required to have it :(
22:09.53bleetahrequired program doesn't work in Wine?
22:10.27Mr_Rabies2does anyone have any clue where the warcraft 2 video files are stored? not showing up in the war2dat.mpq file :/
22:10.37Shirikno it's just my school
22:10.43Shirikyou can't connect to their network outside of windows
22:10.56Shirikyou probably can I just can't figure it out actually, and I don't have time to be doing that
22:11.37bleetahthey've prolly got a Samba server hiding somewhere ... most 'windows only' networks shops, particularly in educational institutions, either do or should
22:13.08Shirikyeha I was thinking samba but
22:13.28Shirikand I KNOW they had RedHat in one of the labs not too long ago
22:13.32Shirikso there's got to be a way to do it
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22:18.49Shirikso, how do I convince the forums that I'm level 70 :/
22:19.14Mr_Rabies2switch characters in the character pane
22:19.16Mr_Rabies2log out
22:19.18Mr_Rabies2log back in
22:19.26Mr_Rabies2post on that other character
22:19.34Mr_Rabies2then log out again, back in, and swap to your main
22:19.38Shirik*blinks*
22:19.39Mr_Rabies2usually it updates faster that way
22:19.46Shirikmy character shows up twice in the select character screen
22:19.53Mr_Rabies2yeah that happens too
22:20.16Shikatanaionce you choose the higher level version the lower level one will disappear after a couple days
22:20.41Shirikthey both say 70 ><
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22:28.45cogwheel|workI'm adding a "random" feature to MacroTalk to pick random chat messages. I don't want to use comma as the message separator since it's such a common character... any suggestions? I'm thinking of a pipe (|) but I've heard that some international keyboards don't include it... (hmm... maybe i'll just make it a localized string and use | as enUS...)
22:29.39Shiriksemicolon?
22:29.53Shirikor maybe 2 semicolons
22:30.03Shirikthat was a semicolon can still be used
22:30.05cogwheel|worksemicolon is already used for the options
22:30.08Shirikah
22:30.14bleetahcogwheel|work: scratching my memory, I had no problems using the pipe command on German or French keyboards when I was working there, can't speak for Spanish keyboards though
22:30.15Shirika slash?
22:30.41cogwheel|workhmm...
22:30.53cogwheel|workI think I will go ahead with the pipe and make it localizable...
22:30.58Shirika pipe would be logical but I don't know how other keyboards handle it
22:31.03bleetahcogwheel|work: put it this way, I'd be suprised if these days, such an important character for linux/unix would be missing from keyboards ;)
22:31.09Shirikum
22:31.13cogwheel|workheh
22:31.20Shirikfrom what I understand, a double quote is missing from french keyboards
22:31.26Shirikif that's not an important character I don't know what is
22:32.05cogwheel|workI wish we used French's double quote... it looks like   << blah >>... would make programming languages much easier to parse :P
22:32.33bleetahit's not missing, it's Shift+3
22:32.34Shirikbut then what would you use for bsr/bsl ?
22:32.38ShirikOh is it?
22:32.39bleetah(double quote)
22:32.45ShirikThen the guy I was talking to last night was a moron
22:32.46bleetahthe pipe is Alt_GR + 6
22:32.57Shirikhe asked me to tell him the /script to change party leader
22:32.58Karrioncogwheel|work: yeah but how ugly would XML get? ;-p
22:33.03bleetahhttp://www.forlang.wsu.edu/help/kfrench.gif
22:33.08cogwheel|workKarrion: haha
22:33.14Shirikand I gave him the script, and he said "I don't have double quote character"
22:33.26ShirikAnd I didn't know what to say after that :P
22:33.31Shirikbut he was probably just being stupid
22:33.54bleetahor just totally unaware of how important Alt-Gr's are for non english charsets
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22:39.55Mr_Rabies2that french keyboard is just different enough to confuse those that use english ones
22:41.08bleetahMr_Rabies2: it's suprising how quickly one adapts... I was moving between US, UK, French and German keyboards all day long.
22:41.37bleetahthe *hard* part is when you try to use one of those terminal command things for controlling multiple command lines from one input box
22:41.54bleetah'which keyboard is gunna cause me the *least* hassle'
22:42.19Shirikanyone here know IA32 assembly?
22:42.41Shirik(I know, random question)
22:45.32Mr_Rabies2http://www.warcraftmovies.com/stream.php?id=36513
22:45.32cogwheel|workIt's been a few years for me...
22:45.35Mr_Rabies2:o
22:45.52Shiriknm I figured it out :P I couldn't remember the opcode for arithmetic shift left
22:46.33cogwheel|workHeh... i'd've had to look that one up :)
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23:06.23cladhairenot that i'm aware of.
23:06.38cladhaireblank.margin.right
23:06.47cladhairehttp://scintilla.sourceforge.net/SciTEDoc.html
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23:21.58Shikatanailf39m naxx
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23:22.51Kasohaha
23:23.15KasoI'd be funny to watch a PuG wipe on naxx trash even at level 70
23:23.42ShirikI would pay to see that
23:23.43Shikatanaino it wouldn't... it would be hilarious
23:24.03Shikatanaiomg lets kill mr. bigglesworth
23:24.08Shikatanainot that they would reach KT anyway
23:25.50zenzelezzdid Bigglesworth somehow affect KT? o_O
23:26.03Shikatanaiif you kill mr. bigglesworth KT is permanently enraged
23:26.10Kaso<3
23:26.20Shadowedzenzelezz: nope
23:26.32zenzelezzI heard lots of rumors, but never anything that sounded credible
23:26.34Shadowedwe always raced to see who could kill him first
23:26.48KasoOur guild had a "dont kill him" rule
23:26.54Shikatanaiditto
23:27.01Kasoif you did you'd get shouted at alot on vent
23:27.03Kasoit was unlucky
23:27.13Shadowedlol
23:46.51dieckhi there. is there any "simple" test to see if the player is looking at the map? (world, continent, zone) -- is that a frame, that can be tested on "visible" or something?
23:47.50TemWorldMapFrame would be my guess
23:48.35dieckhm
23:48.38dieckok :)
23:49.20Shirikuse
23:49.21ShirikWorldMapFrame:IsVisible()
23:49.27Shirikthat's how FrameXML\WorldMapFrame.lua checks
23:49.49dieckok, I'll try it :) thanks
23:50.09dieckI think I'll really have to get a FrameXML directory myself ;)
23:50.30ShirikDon't extract the whole thing; I don't. I just extract to temp folders as I need it
23:50.44Shiriklike there I just pulled it up in WinMPQ, double clicked to extract it temporarily and open in ScITE
23:51.30Shirikbut going back and forth between C and Lua is killing my brain
23:51.42ShirikI keep writing "self" where I should write "this," and "this" where I should write "self"
23:51.50Shirik: where a :: should go, and vice-versa
23:57.43bleetahPTR login's back up, no patch prompt or realm selection yet

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