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| 00:10.36 | wobin | Iriel|Away: Dunno if you'll get this, but with your securepiebutton_onclick function, is there a drawback to using GetCenter() for the frame as opposed to finding the center from halving the various dimensions? |
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| 00:25.54 | cladhaire | who here likes math puzzles? |
| 00:26.29 | cogwheel|work | Is OnShow called if :Show() is called on an already visible frame? |
| 00:30.19 | cladhaire | does Cartographer and company put waypoints on the minimap like the game already does? (i.e. pointers to your corpse, cities, etc?) |
| 00:31.29 | Shadowed | So if you wanted to make something that could handle both MyAddon_SetVariable and MyAddon:SetVariable, is there an easy way to do it. Or would you just have to do something like { "MyAddon", "SetVariable" } and "MyAddon_SetVariable"? |
| 00:31.55 | cladhaire | not sure i understand the question |
| 00:32.34 | Shadowed | Trying to redo my mod that creates a UI, and one of the things I register are functions for setting and getting variables. But I have some addons that use MyAddon_SetVariable, and others that use MyAddon:SetVariable |
| 00:33.21 | cladhaire | you could make a wrapper |
| 00:33.24 | cladhaire | or set teh table element |
| 00:33.28 | cladhaire | but then you have to deal with self |
| 00:33.34 | cladhaire | basically, they're different functions |
| 00:34.55 | Shadowed | Pretty much, it's not worth it for a configuration UI since it's not ran often enough that making a wrapper would hurt? |
| 00:37.07 | cladhaire | performance, if the user has to dso something, it basically doesn't matter |
| 00:37.11 | cladhaire | not that that's a good reason |
| 00:37.12 | cladhaire | heh |
| 00:38.36 | Shadowed | was what I was wondering! thanks |
| 00:39.21 | wobin | cladhaire: yes |
| 00:39.37 | wobin | well... |
| 00:39.46 | cladhaire | wobin: well what? lol |
| 00:39.46 | wobin | Cart_Waypoints gives you a waypoint to your corpse |
| 00:39.55 | wobin | it won't give city ones |
| 00:40.11 | cladhaire | I mean on the minimap. |
| 00:40.23 | cladhaire | an arrow that moves always pointing at a location |
| 00:40.43 | wobin | oh for your corpse, yes. If you're in the same zone as the waypoint it'll pop an icon up on the edge of the minimap indicating direction |
| 00:40.49 | wobin | but you also get a waypoint arrow |
| 00:40.51 | cladhaire | but.. the default game does that. |
| 00:40.56 | cladhaire | cart doesn't, i'm assuming |
| 00:41.10 | wobin | well, it's for more than just corpses |
| 00:41.14 | wobin | it's for any waypoint you set |
| 00:41.20 | wobin | eg /way 50,50 |
| 00:41.20 | cladhaire | okay |
| 00:41.28 | cladhaire | can you point me at where the minimap portion of that code is? |
| 00:41.30 | wobin | corpses are just automatic |
| 00:41.36 | wobin | to show the icons? |
| 00:41.46 | cladhaire | how you're handling the arrows on the edge of the minimap |
| 00:41.56 | wobin | ah, no |
| 00:42.04 | wobin | now we're dealing with different definitions =) |
| 00:42.21 | cladhaire | that's what i asked about |
| 00:42.23 | wobin | No, Cart just puts a icon, much like gatherer style on the edge of the minimap |
| 00:42.36 | wobin | not actually like the arrow for 'locations of interest' |
| 00:42.36 | cladhaire | k |
| 00:42.42 | cladhaire | i'm trying to make the latter |
| 00:42.46 | cladhaire | i'll let you know when i succeed =) |
| 00:42.49 | wobin | hehe |
| 00:42.59 | Kirkburn|afk | Btw some news - Blizzard is counter-suing the WoWGlider creators, and the LFG channel is to return! |
| 00:43.15 | wobin | You'd have to rotate that arrow dependant on where on the minimap it is |
| 00:43.15 | cladhaire | how are they counter counter suing? |
| 00:43.27 | cladhaire | wobin: I know, that's the nastiness i'm working on |
| 00:43.28 | Kirkburn|afk | http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/02/23/blizzard-suing-wowglider-creator/ |
| 00:43.29 | cladhaire | i hate math =) |
| 00:43.29 | wobin | WowGlider countersued? |
| 00:43.38 | cladhaire | wobin: yeah, a while ago |
| 00:43.50 | wobin | I figured out how to do radial buttons =P |
| 00:43.56 | wobin | only to find Iriel beat me to it =P |
| 00:44.16 | cladhaire | what do you mean? |
| 00:44.25 | wobin | with securepie buttons =) |
| 00:44.31 | Kirkburn|afk | (the WG people were first to sue btw) |
| 00:44.45 | wobin | his code is basically the same as mine, except he's working in degrees, and I stuck to radians |
| 00:44.48 | Kirkburn|afk | As for the LFG channel change - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/02/23/lfg-channel-to-return/ |
| 00:45.42 | cladhaire | hrm |
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| 00:46.10 | cladhaire | that LFG change is fine by me. |
| 00:46.15 | cladhaire | it'll make people use the UI |
| 00:46.22 | wobin | yeah |
| 00:46.29 | wobin | which has been the problem so far =) |
| 00:46.37 | cladhaire | a HA! |
| 00:46.48 | wobin | actually clad |
| 00:46.49 | cladhaire | the facing value is based on 1*math.pi |
| 00:46.50 | cladhaire | in each direction |
| 00:46.52 | cladhaire | which is.. odd =) |
| 00:46.54 | wobin | You know what you can use? |
| 00:46.58 | subbot | i've been using the LFG ui lately |
| 00:47.02 | wobin | the arrowmodel |
| 00:47.11 | cladhaire | i am |
| 00:47.15 | subbot | the groups that are formed have been pretty good |
| 00:47.25 | cladhaire | wobin: You have no idea how complex it is to get the facing and position |
| 00:47.29 | cladhaire | that's what i'm working on =) |
| 00:47.34 | wobin | cladhaire: I do =) |
| 00:47.40 | cladhaire | then how do i do it =) |
| 00:47.41 | cladhaire | if you know :P |
| 00:47.44 | wobin | That's why I left most of the waypoint stuff to ckknight =) |
| 00:48.03 | wobin | have a look in Cartographer_Waypoints to see how he figures which way to point the 3d arrow |
| 00:48.21 | cladhaire | that won't have anythign to do with it, unless its a model. |
| 00:48.29 | wobin | I don't know how to do it, but I do know how complex it is =) |
| 00:48.34 | cladhaire | DIRECTION |
| 00:48.36 | cladhaire | is easy |
| 00:48.37 | wobin | so I empathise with you =) |
| 00:48.45 | cladhaire | how to make the model face that direction is not. |
| 00:48.48 | ckknight | what's all this, then? |
| 00:49.16 | cladhaire | ckknight: Do you use a model for the arrow for waypoints in cart? |
| 00:49.24 | ckknight | no, I use 108 images |
| 00:49.36 | cladhaire | thought so, that doesn't help |
| 00:49.36 | cladhaire | thanks. |
| 00:49.37 | ckknight | basically, 1 image divided into 108 parts |
| 00:49.45 | ckknight | it works for what we're doing |
| 00:49.52 | cladhaire | well mine is a general solution |
| 00:49.54 | cladhaire | that uses 0 images |
| 00:50.00 | JoshBork1 | poor cladhaire, now you gotta find Iriel|Away :P |
| 00:50.03 | cladhaire | thats why its a bitch =) |
| 00:50.03 | wobin | happy math |
| 00:50.07 | ckknight | do you draw lines or so? |
| 00:50.10 | cladhaire | no |
| 00:50.14 | cladhaire | using the built in arrow model |
| 00:50.14 | ckknight | how do you do it? |
| 00:50.17 | ckknight | oh, okay |
| 00:50.18 | cladhaire | so it works with the default UI |
| 00:50.24 | cladhaire | i have everything now |
| 00:50.26 | cladhaire | except model positioning |
| 00:50.28 | ckknight | I'd like to see it once it's working |
| 00:50.29 | cladhaire | facing is simple |
| 00:50.36 | ckknight | math is fun. |
| 00:50.39 | cladhaire | aye, i'll pass it on |
| 00:50.43 | cladhaire | want to look at math? |
| 00:50.46 | ckknight | sure |
| 00:50.52 | wobin | what's it going to do in the end, clad? |
| 00:50.52 | cladhaire | i can post a log of me flying from 0 to 360 =) |
| 00:51.13 | cladhaire | lemme set up an addon to log the flight |
| 00:51.19 | JoshBork1 | do it cladhaire! |
| 00:51.21 | JoshBork1 | i wanna see! |
| 00:51.32 | cladhaire | rthis may be simple, i just dont see it =) |
| 00:51.42 | wobin | What is the end product going to do? |
| 00:52.05 | cladhaire | wobin: it'll be a festivus for the restuvus! |
| 00:52.25 | ckknight | that was like 2 months ago |
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| 00:53.02 | cladhaire | want this in csv? |
| 00:53.05 | cladhaire | so we can excel? =) |
| 00:53.15 | cladhaire | i'll do that either way, its easier. |
| 00:53.32 | ckknight | whatever works |
| 00:54.15 | ckknight | do you have accompanying code? |
| 00:54.36 | cladhaire | its just dumping the model data atm |
| 00:55.06 | cladhaire | and i need to analyse it to see how i can, based on my position on the minimap, make the arrow face the right direction |
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| 00:56.03 | ckknight | you mean get the facing of the arrow in the minimap? |
| 00:56.10 | ckknight | or something more complex? |
| 00:57.22 | cladhaire | I need to, based on where an icon is on the minimap |
| 00:57.33 | cladhaire | determeine the facing and position of the model, to have it rotate properly |
| 00:57.53 | wobin | cladhaire: Are you trying to simulate the 'pointer to city' to point to a location on the map? |
| 00:57.58 | cladhaire | exactly |
| 00:57.59 | cladhaire | yes |
| 00:58.02 | ckknight | oh |
| 00:58.03 | ckknight | that |
| 00:58.13 | ckknight | that seems relatively easy |
| 00:58.17 | cladhaire | its not |
| 00:58.21 | ckknight | says you |
| 00:58.22 | cladhaire | thats why i'm dumping the numbers |
| 00:58.23 | cladhaire | it should be |
| 00:58.24 | ckknight | I know maths |
| 00:58.28 | wobin | can't you rotate the pointer arrow based on the point at which it's on the edge? |
| 00:58.28 | cladhaire | but models are nastiness =) |
| 00:58.33 | cladhaire | wobin: its not a texture. |
| 00:58.40 | cladhaire | so no |
| 00:58.41 | ckknight | yea, you set the facing |
| 00:58.47 | cladhaire | ckknight: and the model's position |
| 00:58.50 | ckknight | that makes it rotate properly |
| 00:58.51 | cladhaire | three numbers change |
| 00:58.57 | cladhaire | the facing is the easy one. |
| 00:59.24 | wobin | position is fairly simple, no? |
| 00:59.54 | wobin | draw a line between you and the destination, and put the model on the radius of the minimap |
| 01:00.01 | wobin | away from you |
| 01:00.31 | ckknight | classtime |
| 01:00.34 | cladhaire | i dont need to position it |
| 01:00.39 | cladhaire | *sigh* |
| 01:00.45 | cladhaire | i must suck tonight or something ;-) |
| 01:00.58 | wobin | so hang on, what variables are you looking for? |
| 01:01.12 | wobin | You have the 'facing' which points the arrow in the direction of the target |
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| 01:01.21 | cladhaire | okay |
| 01:01.23 | cladhaire | listen =) |
| 01:01.25 | cladhaire | i have an icon |
| 01:01.28 | cladhaire | its on the edge of the minimap |
| 01:01.31 | cladhaire | i also have a model |
| 01:01.42 | cladhaire | i need three variables to make that model face the right direction |
| 01:01.48 | cladhaire | facing, posx, and posy |
| 01:01.52 | cladhaire | posz doesn't appear to change |
| 01:01.54 | cladhaire | i have the facing |
| 01:01.59 | cladhaire | posx and posy are the issue =) |
| 01:02.08 | wobin | isn't it the same as the icon on the minimap? |
| 01:02.28 | cladhaire | unclear atm |
| 01:02.28 | JoshBork1 | what is the facing? is that like some degree or something? |
| 01:02.30 | cladhaire | that's what i'm testing. |
| 01:03.04 | wobin | well, if you get the angle that is extended from your point to the minimapicon point |
| 01:03.16 | wobin | you can just place the model at the radiuspoint of that angle |
| 01:03.31 | cladhaire | its already placed. |
| 01:03.37 | cladhaire | you're misunderstanding |
| 01:03.39 | JoshBork1 | cladhaire: you should photochop a picture of the minimap with what you want to happen |
| 01:03.53 | cladhaire | hell no |
| 01:03.54 | wobin | we need a whiteboard =) |
| 01:03.56 | JoshBork1 | and the information you need and stuff. that'll help me understand (feeble as my brain may be) |
| 01:03.56 | cladhaire | i like a challenge |
| 01:04.20 | wobin | So you already have the model at the edge of the minimap? |
| 01:06.16 | cladhaire | yes. |
| 01:06.20 | cladhaire | i have what yo have |
| 01:06.24 | cladhaire | my addon does what cart waypoints does. |
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| 01:06.39 | cladhaire | i'm trying to integrate that into the minimap a bit more with rotating arrows |
| 01:06.43 | cladhaire | without needing to use 100 textures. |
| 01:06.55 | cladhaire | i was working on something |
| 01:06.58 | cladhaire | wasn't trying to be "vague" |
| 01:07.03 | cladhaire | as you said i was |
| 01:07.21 | wobin | doesn't the 'facing' deal with making the arrowmodel point outwards? |
| 01:07.52 | cladhaire | There are three variables required to place a model. |
| 01:08.00 | cladhaire | facing, posx, posy and posz (whch doesn't change) |
| 01:08.04 | wobin | aye |
| 01:08.24 | cladhaire | "-0.71509593725204, 0.074067667126656, 0.077928692102432, 0" |
| 01:08.26 | wobin | You have facing. posx and posy are a point on the edge of the minimap? |
| 01:08.30 | cladhaire | thats roughly the cardinal north |
| 01:08.34 | cladhaire | wobin: no, |
| 01:08.39 | wobin | oh |
| 01:08.51 | wobin | it's a point in realspace where it would be indicated on the minimap? |
| 01:08.52 | cladhaire | wobin: facing is the same as what direction the model is facing in your character window. |
| 01:08.57 | cladhaire | its a point within the 3d mesh |
| 01:09.16 | cladhaire | a position of the 3-d model. |
| 01:09.18 | wobin | You essentially want to place a model in realspace so it shows up on the minimap? |
| 01:09.25 | JoshBork1 | cladhaire: that's the same direction the default wow arrow on the minimap points, right? |
| 01:09.27 | wobin | 'pointing' in the right direction |
| 01:09.38 | cladhaire | Josh_Borke: No, since there can be multiple points on the map |
| 01:09.39 | cladhaire | wobin: yes. |
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| 01:10.01 | wobin | Sort of 'guiding star to bethlehem' style =P |
| 01:10.22 | cladhaire | well, its exactly what waypoints in cart do |
| 01:10.30 | cladhaire | except without the need for 100 images |
| 01:10.37 | cladhaire | which is the whole point, plus i'm having fun |
| 01:10.42 | cladhaire | so ckknight can blow me =) |
| 01:10.49 | wobin | well |
| 01:10.51 | wobin | not really |
| 01:11.03 | wobin | oh okay |
| 01:11.06 | cladhaire | the icons stay at the point on the minimap |
| 01:11.10 | wobin | in end result, yeah |
| 01:11.13 | cladhaire | guiding you =) |
| 01:11.22 | cladhaire | and he just converts the degrees into an image name |
| 01:11.23 | cladhaire | and uses that |
| 01:11.27 | cladhaire | or something similar, i suspect |
| 01:11.28 | cladhaire | that's cool |
| 01:11.29 | wobin | It just seems kinda overly complex =) |
| 01:11.31 | cladhaire | i dont wanna do that =0 |
| 01:11.35 | wobin | nah |
| 01:11.36 | cladhaire | wobin: Not once someone's done the math |
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| 01:11.39 | cladhaire | then its uber simple. |
| 01:11.51 | wobin | he calculates the coordinates of the correct image from the facing info |
| 01:11.57 | wobin | sort of how raidicons are chosen |
| 01:12.02 | cladhaire | aye, i know. |
| 01:13.10 | wobin | In order to do what you need, Clad, you'll have to figure out at which physical point the edge of the minimap is |
| 01:13.17 | wobin | and put your model just before that |
| 01:13.25 | cladhaire | *sigh* |
| 01:13.28 | cladhaire | i already have it placed. |
| 01:13.32 | cladhaire | that's easy |
| 01:13.48 | cladhaire | my addon works as good as yours now, it just doesnt turn into an arrow on the edge |
| 01:13.50 | wobin | Isn't that the posx and y? |
| 01:13.51 | cladhaire | that's what i'm doing now =) |
| 01:13.54 | cladhaire | no |
| 01:14.05 | cladhaire | posx and posy are the internal position of the 3-D model. |
| 01:14.14 | cladhaire | cladhaire: "-0.71509593725204, 0.074067667126656, 0.077928692102432, 0" |
| 01:14.21 | cladhaire | that's facing, poss, posy, posz |
| 01:14.27 | cladhaire | the first is in radians, basically |
| 01:14.30 | cladhaire | the other two, are tougher |
| 01:14.34 | wobin | internal? |
| 01:14.44 | wobin | oh man, so confusing =) |
| 01:15.13 | TC_Working | Head detonation in 5....4....3.... |
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| 01:15.27 | wobin | right, so all three are required to make the model actually 'face' something phyiscally |
| 01:15.36 | wobin | and we don't know how to calculate the second two |
| 01:16.04 | cladhaire | so i'm loggign data to figure it out |
| 01:16.06 | wobin | graph it out =) |
| 01:16.36 | wobin | what are you using to get those three variables for yourself? |
| 01:16.47 | cladhaire | getting them from the model. |
| 01:17.02 | wobin | feh, send me the data? =P |
| 01:17.11 | cladhaire | when i get it, yep |
| 01:17.16 | wobin | righty |
| 01:17.29 | JoshBork1 | wow, yea, i'm just gonna go over there and play with legos |
| 01:17.37 | JoshBork1 | call me when it's recess |
| 01:17.59 | wobin | Josh_Borke: Swap you a peanut butter sandwich for a jelly one. |
| 01:18.00 | cladhaire | at worst, i'll be logging numbers |
| 01:18.06 | cladhaire | and using those instead of 100 textures. |
| 01:18.25 | wobin | Well, it's just one texture =) |
| 01:18.32 | wobin | with numbers to give a viewport |
| 01:18.34 | cladhaire | yes.. i know this. |
| 01:18.38 | cladhaire | texcoords are fun =) |
| 01:18.45 | wobin | painful, but fun |
| 01:20.21 | wobin | meanwhile I have to figure out how to integrate securepie into my code |
| 01:20.39 | JoshBork1 | whatcha making? |
| 01:20.41 | wobin | I need to do some research. |
| 01:20.56 | wobin | sprocketish popbarish thingie |
| 01:21.11 | JoshBork1 | oh, what's that called? |
| 01:21.12 | wobin | Well I'm working on the circular one, Sole is working on the popbar one |
| 01:21.16 | wobin | Splut |
| 01:21.19 | JoshBork1 | yea, cool |
| 01:21.22 | JoshBork1 | wondered what that was |
| 01:21.26 | wobin | hehe |
| 01:21.45 | wobin | It's an Ace mod, we're honour bound to use confusing ambiguous names |
| 01:22.02 | wobin | (but they're at least memorable!) |
| 01:22.12 | Tem | well it's better than Ace<This is what I do> |
| 01:22.17 | wobin | It's true |
| 01:22.20 | JoshBork1 | concurred |
| 01:22.37 | wobin | AceHeyIPopOutActionButtonsInACircleWhenPressed! |
| 01:22.49 | wobin | -2 |
| 01:22.55 | Tem | Rowne had the best names |
| 01:22.55 | JoshBork1 | can't forget the 2 |
| 01:23.00 | wobin | absolutely =) |
| 01:23.11 | ag` | Bring back Ronwe |
| 01:23.11 | wobin | I do pretty good with names =P |
| 01:23.17 | ag` | he's enjoy the latest flamewars |
| 01:23.24 | ag` | he'd* |
| 01:23.24 | Tem | He was sort of an asshole |
| 01:23.25 | MentalPower|Univ | cladhaire: why do you need a model or 100 textures for a pointing arrow? |
| 01:23.27 | Tem | but hillarious |
| 01:23.29 | wobin | ag`: only if he does an overhaul on his coding practices |
| 01:23.48 | wobin | MentalPower|Univ: Cause he wants to use a model |
| 01:23.52 | ag` | never looked at the stuff he wrote wobin |
| 01:23.57 | ag` | wasn't into addons back then |
| 01:24.00 | kergoth | rowne was an ass, but i can respect that |
| 01:24.05 | wobin | MentalPower|Univ: and on the other hand, the 108 images are used in the worldframe |
| 01:24.08 | Tem | ag`, save yourself the pain and agony |
| 01:24.20 | wobin | ag`: He wrote very good code |
| 01:24.27 | wobin | It's a pity it took so much effort to understand it |
| 01:24.32 | Tem | most of the time the code was very clean and if he really understood the topic, it was efficient as hell |
| 01:24.34 | MentalPower|Univ | SetTexCoords() is a lot easier IMO |
| 01:24.40 | Tem | but it was PAIN to read |
| 01:24.47 | wobin | MentalPower|Univ: Clad wants a challenge =) |
| 01:24.51 | MentalPower|Univ | ok |
| 01:25.03 | MentalPower|Univ | now I still don't get the 108 textures thing |
| 01:25.03 | wobin | MentalPower|Univ: And yes, settexcoords is how Cart_Waypoints does it |
| 01:25.16 | wobin | it's 108 arrows stitched into one image |
| 01:25.23 | wobin | and settexcoords to show the right one |
| 01:25.32 | MentalPower | EWW!!! |
| 01:25.38 | cladhaire | wobin: no, MentalPower is saying you rorate one image |
| 01:25.42 | cladhaire | which is one way to do it |
| 01:25.45 | cladhaire | i want to use the model =) |
| 01:25.46 | cladhaire | for fun |
| 01:25.48 | MentalPower | thats *not* what I meant with SetTexCoorfs |
| 01:25.49 | wobin | So you get an arrow on your screen pointing in the right direction |
| 01:26.00 | wobin | MentalPower: It's a 3D arrow though |
| 01:26.05 | wobin | (psuedo) |
| 01:26.20 | MentalPower | right, I know, the minimap arrow right? |
| 01:26.20 | wobin | You can't just rotate the arrow on the screen, otherwise you'll just get the minimap |
| 01:26.38 | cladhaire | MentalPower: I know exactly what you're saying |
| 01:26.47 | cladhaire | SetTexCoord allows affline transformations, namely rotations |
| 01:26.51 | cladhaire | so have a single arrow, and rotate it |
| 01:26.53 | cladhaire | bam |
| 01:26.54 | MentalPower | aye |
| 01:27.04 | cladhaire | i want to do the same with models =) |
| 01:27.05 | MentalPower | I already have a function that does it for me |
| 01:27.05 | cladhaire | since i can :P |
| 01:27.06 | wobin | MentalPower: http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=4783.0 |
| 01:27.23 | MentalPower | feed it an angle and a texture and violá |
| 01:27.23 | wobin | look at the arrow at the bottom of the first post |
| 01:28.45 | MentalPower | eww!!!!!!! |
| 01:29.03 | wobin | MentalPower: If you can come up with a better way to implement, let me know |
| 01:29.08 | MentalPower | thats just wrong |
| 01:29.11 | MentalPower | I can |
| 01:29.14 | wobin | make it right then =P |
| 01:29.20 | MentalPower | one sec while I pastey the function |
| 01:29.34 | wobin | (ps, will we have to create the model somehow?) |
| 01:29.43 | cladhaire | no, his uses a single texture |
| 01:29.44 | cladhaire | its magic. |
| 01:30.06 | wobin | WaypointArrow:CallMagicHax() =) |
| 01:30.44 | wobin | I'm not sure how you can get a 3d rendered arrow from a transformation of a single texture though |
| 01:30.46 | MentalPower | http://wowi.pastey.net/7138 |
| 01:31.12 | MentalPower | just make sure the texture in question has at least one transparent pixel all around |
| 01:31.24 | wobin | MentalPower: Isn't that like the minimap arrow? |
| 01:31.49 | MentalPower | right, but with a texture instead of a model |
| 01:31.58 | cladhaire | model ftw =) |
| 01:32.02 | wobin | but won't it point straight up if the direction is forward? |
| 01:32.16 | cladhaire | i'll end up using yours, but i'm enjoying this :P |
| 01:32.20 | MentalPower | right |
| 01:32.26 | wobin | but I want it to point 'forward' |
| 01:32.57 | wobin | having it point in the vertical axis is relatively useless |
| 01:33.12 | wobin | cause once you move past left and right, it's hard to figure out how far to turn |
| 01:33.29 | wobin | I want it to give a 3d arrow pointing in the direction I want to go in |
| 01:33.41 | wobin | not a vertical representation. I can get that from the minimap |
| 01:34.04 | wobin | Now if Clad can figure out the model |
| 01:34.15 | wobin | and rotate the model appropriately, then I'll use that =) |
| 01:34.20 | wobin | but it's the 3d that makes waypoints work |
| 01:34.31 | cladhaire | well... mine would be no different than his. |
| 01:34.37 | wobin | pointing straight up? |
| 01:34.38 | MentalPower | right |
| 01:34.45 | cladhaire | mine is a minimap arrow |
| 01:34.46 | MentalPower | because the minimap arrow is a 2d model |
| 01:34.51 | cladhaire | 100% =) |
| 01:34.54 | MentalPower | it'll look ĂĽber shitty |
| 01:34.55 | wobin | ah, yeah |
| 01:34.56 | cladhaire | the same as a corpse waypoint within the game |
| 01:35.01 | wobin | well I want something midscreen =P |
| 01:35.11 | wobin | rather than having to squint at the minimap and interpret direction |
| 01:35.13 | cladhaire | then use what you have |
| 01:35.14 | cladhaire | =) |
| 01:35.31 | wobin | So, thus, MentalPower. Not EWWWW!!! Just a completely different purpose =P |
| 01:35.47 | MentalPower | I can't see that from the post |
| 01:35.55 | wobin | The big green arrow? |
| 01:36.02 | wobin | pointing 'forward'? |
| 01:36.22 | sysrage | i may be missing something cause i just got home, but from what i see on my screen you are asking for something the mod PingDirection already does |
| 01:36.41 | wobin | sysrage: Clad or I? |
| 01:36.46 | sysrage | you |
| 01:36.50 | wobin | Well no. |
| 01:36.54 | wobin | I already have what I need =) |
| 01:37.05 | wobin | But if I can use a model, it'll be much cooler |
| 01:37.07 | sysrage | ok. whoever is talking about an arrow pointing at a waypoint |
| 01:37.18 | wobin | And that's what Cart_Waypoints does |
| 01:37.34 | sysrage | ok. like i said. musta been missing something. carry on |
| 01:37.35 | cladhaire | wobin: there's no model that will do that, so i'm sorry =/ |
| 01:37.35 | wobin | except the way it renders the arrow causes MentalPower angst =) |
| 01:37.42 | wobin | cladhaire: =( |
| 01:37.55 | Tem | you theoretically could do it |
| 01:38.01 | wobin | I could have had a murloc model facing the direction of the waypoint =) |
| 01:38.04 | Tem | but like.... |
| 01:38.12 | wobin | pointing =) |
| 01:38.16 | Tem | I have NO IDEA how to make an m2 file |
| 01:38.24 | wobin | Tem: yeah =\ |
| 01:38.59 | wobin | oh man, it could have been like Clippy |
| 01:38.59 | MentalPower | or, hack up WoWModelViewer and reverse the m2 ->external format conversion |
| 01:39.25 | wobin | "You're heading off a cliff. Would you like to: Cast featherfall. Ice Block. Die Horribly" |
| 01:39.46 | cladhaire | http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/3792/picture6ve1.png |
| 01:40.03 | cladhaire | now to figure out how to get those values exactly =) |
| 01:40.12 | wobin | a little from column a, and a little from column B? =) |
| 01:41.19 | MentalPower | cladhaire: what am I looking at? |
| 01:42.03 | cladhaire | MentalPower: Those are the model positions starting at 0 radians, and moving counter clockwise. |
| 01:42.20 | wobin | sysrage: Mostly though, we're talking about two different implementations. Clad's is on the minimap, much like the 'Pointing to corpse' or 'pointing to nearest settlement'. Mine is on the screen pointing physically in the right direction to the waypoint |
| 01:42.26 | cladhaire | i.e. i know the SetFacing() argument, need to determine the SetPosition() argument. |
| 01:42.30 | sysrage | wobin you got a link for cart_waypoints? |
| 01:42.47 | wobin | try http://files.wowace.com |
| 01:42.48 | sysrage | ya, pingdir does it on the main screen part. |
| 01:42.51 | wobin | you'll need Cart |
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| 01:42.59 | wobin | ographer |
| 01:43.01 | sysrage | oh. was hoping for a screenshot to compare to pingdir :) |
| 01:43.01 | wobin | as well |
| 01:43.04 | wobin | oh |
| 01:43.19 | wobin | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=4783.0 |
| 01:43.23 | wobin | bottom of first post |
| 01:43.31 | wobin | The green arrow |
| 01:43.33 | cladhaire | MentalPower: http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/4241/picture7lg2.png That's with the facing argument overlaid |
| 01:43.42 | cladhaire | i couldn't get a logarithmic scale on the y access, so it sucks. |
| 01:43.52 | cladhaire | but you can see what its going |
| 01:43.55 | wobin | correlaterrific |
| 01:44.14 | cladhaire | my flight speed was uneven obviously =) |
| 01:44.26 | wobin | it doesn't look like the first correlates very nicely with the other two |
| 01:44.36 | cladhaire | .. they're three entirely seperate numbers |
| 01:44.39 | cladhaire | so i shoudl hope not. |
| 01:44.52 | cladhaire | and actually they do |
| 01:45.01 | cladhaire | the peak of column A is exactly the halfpoint of the phase of both column B and C |
| 01:45.12 | sysrage | not seeing a screenshot at that URL |
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| 01:45.24 | wobin | ah |
| 01:45.25 | wobin | hm |
| 01:45.31 | wobin | you probably need to be logged in. |
| 01:45.34 | wobin | lemme dump it somewhere else |
| 01:47.07 | sysrage | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/full6555.jpg |
| 01:47.07 | sysrage | that's pingdir |
| 01:47.07 | sysrage | either draws an arrow to where somebody pinged the map, or to coords you give it |
| 01:47.07 | wobin | http://img72.imageshack.us/my.php?image=waypointsak5.png |
| 01:47.07 | wobin | That links for you as well MentalPower |
| 01:47.11 | wobin | yeah, similar |
| 01:47.19 | wobin | although slightly prettier |
| 01:48.04 | wobin | actually, pingway seems a nice module to add into this one |
| 01:48.13 | wobin | the functionality anyway |
| 01:49.12 | sysrage | ya that distance feature is cool |
| 01:49.22 | wobin | hm, I should update that image |
| 01:49.26 | wobin | it's got time til arrival too |
| 01:49.56 | wobin | damn my ferret coding style =( |
| 01:50.14 | pastamancer | "ooh shiny"? |
| 01:50.17 | wobin | I need to be learning about state handlers damnit =P |
| 01:50.22 | wobin | pastamancer: yeah =P |
| 01:51.52 | ag` | best group ever |
| 01:52.01 | ag` | two shadow priests, one warlock, two paladins |
| 01:52.33 | wobin | mmm shadow dps |
| 01:53.22 | ag` | iIt's like one million mp5 |
| 01:53.51 | pastamancer | ag`: sounds nice |
| 01:54.14 | ag` | downside of that combo is loot |
| 01:54.20 | ag` | 3 clothies rolling on dps gear |
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| 02:39.02 | cogwheel | gretz |
| 02:39.09 | cogwheel | s/e/a/ |
| 02:45.27 | MentalPower | new slouken lovin' http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=63167579&sid=1&pageNo=9#166 |
| 02:45.35 | cogwheel | If you call :Show on an already visible frame, will it trigger OnShow? |
| 02:46.16 | MentalPower | don't think so |
| 02:46.35 | MentalPower | I think :Show() and :Hide() short-circuit if the frame is already shown or hidden |
| 02:46.35 | cogwheel | neither do i... |
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| 02:51.07 | cogwheel | it made me close firefox altogether, actually.. |
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| 03:23.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh hey look druid nerfs :/ |
| 03:23.19 | Corrodias | where? |
| 03:23.35 | Corrodias | we can't nerf paladins, but druids can't be good |
| 03:24.00 | Corrodias | j/k, the unimpressive damage output might make the paladin balanced in some situations |
| 03:24.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2346403 |
| 03:24.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | mangle nerfed |
| 03:24.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | bear armor nerfed |
| 03:24.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | bear hp nerfed i think |
| 03:24.56 | Corrodias | 1) i'm not a member of somethingawful |
| 03:25.09 | Corrodias | 2) i would hardly call them a reliable source of information about ... well, anything |
| 03:25.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | predatory instincts |
| 03:25.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | nerfed |
| 03:25.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | it is reliable |
| 03:25.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | savage fury nerfed |
| 03:25.29 | Corrodias | it is unviewable, and a forum |
| 03:25.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | ilotp nerfed |
| 03:25.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's on the ptr |
| 03:25.57 | Corrodias | then why didn't you link to ptr patch notes? |
| 03:26.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | cause i dunno where they are |
| 03:26.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/patchnotes/test-realm-patchnotes.html |
| 03:26.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | ah |
| 03:27.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | idol of brutality nerfed |
| 03:27.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's a pretty heavy nerf |
| 03:27.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | i can't say i'm happy at all |
| 03:28.21 | Corrodias | hmm |
| 03:28.36 | Corrodias | yeah, looks like they pretty much pulled the floor out from under the feral druid spec |
| 03:28.48 | Corrodias | nah, mostly looks like bear problems |
| 03:28.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | we probably took a 5-10% damage hit in cat and a 15-20% damage hit in bear |
| 03:29.10 | Corrodias | i see very little alteration for cat form |
| 03:29.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | predatory instincts |
| 03:29.27 | Corrodias | but bear has been pulled apart |
| 03:29.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | and ilotp |
| 03:30.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm pretty pissed off right now |
| 03:30.54 | Corrodias | it's not the only class to get some serious changes, but it's the most serious nerf of the lot |
| 03:31.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | but i cant say i'm surprised, i'm pretty jaded, i knew we'd be back to useless soon |
| 03:31.32 | bleetah | and no mention of new hunter pet taming/learning of skills |
| 03:31.35 | Corrodias | oh look, warlocks got... no notable change |
| 03:31.39 | bleetah | /sigh |
| 03:31.41 | Corrodias | hunters got ignored again |
| 03:32.05 | bleetah | i'm used to it.. ignored by my guild, ignored by other players, ignored by blizz |
| 03:32.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | i wish we got ignored |
| 03:32.21 | Corrodias | idol of brutality was poor before. i can't believe they'd bother to have it in the game like -that- |
| 03:32.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | most of the idols are a waste to go out of your way to get |
| 03:32.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | in most cases it's no noticable gain over not having one |
| 03:33.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | get whatever you happen to get at the time and use it, it really doesn't matter |
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| 03:34.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | sigh |
| 03:34.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh well |
| 03:34.43 | Corrodias | what's this about +25% stamina instead of +25% health? |
| 03:34.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | it was good while it lasted |
| 03:35.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | it means we dont get benefit from +hp enchants, etc |
| 03:35.06 | Corrodias | our guild was short on tanks even with bears around |
| 03:35.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | now we have no way to hold aggro |
| 03:35.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | hooraaaay |
| 03:35.55 | Corrodias | lacerate? |
| 03:36.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah like half the mobs are immune |
| 03:36.23 | Corrodias | bleed effect. gotcha. |
| 03:36.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | most of kara, most of tempest keep |
| 03:36.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | yep |
| 03:37.03 | Corrodias | so the warriors get back to being the stars of the show, overworked and outnumbered |
| 03:37.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | maul nerfed swipe nerfed mangle nerfed savage fury nerfed dire bear form armor nerfed dire bear form hp nerfed |
| 03:37.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | primal instincts nerfed |
| 03:37.30 | Corrodias | mangle (bear) |
| 03:37.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | ilotp nerfed |
| 03:37.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | and heres the great thing |
| 03:38.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | you know the feral charge removing snares thing in there? |
| 03:38.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | not gonna be in the patch |
| 03:38.23 | Corrodias | in where? |
| 03:38.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | in the notes |
| 03:39.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | ah well warriors are back to being the only class with a monopoly |
| 03:39.12 | Corrodias | i see no such thing |
| 03:39.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | :] |
| 03:39.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | must have removed it then |
| 03:39.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | since its not gonna be in |
| 03:40.27 | Shadowed | was waiting for Druid tanks to be nerfed |
| 03:40.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | sighhh |
| 03:40.45 | Corrodias | back to off-tank status |
| 03:40.50 | Corrodias | and my guild is going to go nowhere fast |
| 03:40.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | back to healbotting exclusively now |
| 03:41.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | hope you're happy, whiners :/ |
| 03:41.28 | Shadowed | now they just need to nerf Cyclone and Ice lance and all is good |
| 03:41.49 | Corrodias | eh? there's nothing wrong with cyclone |
| 03:41.55 | Shadowed | uh yes there is |
| 03:42.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | whats wrong with it |
| 03:42.01 | Shadowed | it's overpowered in pvp/arenas |
| 03:42.03 | Corrodias | my one form of CC that works indoors and it makes you invincible for the duration? |
| 03:42.04 | Corrodias | fuck you |
| 03:42.07 | Corrodias | nah, just kidding |
| 03:42.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | how the hell is it overpowered |
| 03:42.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | O_o |
| 03:42.15 | Shadowed | ... |
| 03:42.15 | Corrodias | but seriously. invincibility. mages do that to THEMSELVES. |
| 03:42.17 | Shadowed | have you done arenas yet? |
| 03:42.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah |
| 03:42.21 | Corrodias | yes. |
| 03:42.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | how the hell is it overpowered |
| 03:42.26 | Shadowed | think about it |
| 03:42.29 | Corrodias | it works ...twice. |
| 03:42.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm thinking |
| 03:42.32 | Shadowed | 6s of taking somebody out of the fight |
| 03:42.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | is pretty much nothing |
| 03:42.40 | Shadowed | uhh yes it is |
| 03:42.44 | Shadowed | 6s can win or lose a game |
| 03:42.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | hunter traps last a lot longer than that |
| 03:42.55 | Corrodias | nerf ice trap |
| 03:42.59 | Corrodias | and frost nova |
| 03:43.03 | Corrodias | and then we'll talk |
| 03:43.16 | Shadowed | hunter traps can be removed |
| 03:43.20 | Shadowed | big big difference |
| 03:43.26 | Corrodias | not by someone on your own team |
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| 03:43.37 | bleetah | someone needs to organise Blizz to purge the Test Realm Forum |
| 03:44.19 | Corrodias | so there really isn't a point to me building a tanking gear set, is there? |
| 03:44.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | actually it looks like my HP got buffed |
| 03:44.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | lets see |
| 03:44.41 | Corrodias | that wouldn't make any sense |
| 03:44.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | nope |
| 03:44.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | nerfed |
| 03:44.46 | bleetah | well, depends.. they may bring it back, change what they're changing,.. etc. etc. |
| 03:44.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | lost about 1000 HP in bear |
| 03:44.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeehaw |
| 03:45.16 | bleetah | a number of times stuff's been on the PTR that hasn't appeared in live, so I wouldn't go getting *too* upset quite yet, just be prepared to be disappointed when it goes live |
| 03:45.50 | Corrodias | i was so hopeful that i might be able to help the guild by tanking |
| 03:45.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | bleetah, if you've ever seen druid changes, you know it's permanent and will never be reversed if it's a nerf |
| 03:46.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | ohh well |
| 03:46.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | i was getting bored with bc anyway |
| 03:46.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | gives me more reason to finally break the addiction i guess |
| 03:46.43 | Corrodias | well, the druid goes back to "normal" |
| 03:46.54 | Corrodias | i'd expect you to be used to -that- |
| 03:47.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | the druid goes back to useless :] |
| 03:47.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | i was hoping that trend was over with |
| 03:47.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | i guess i was too hopeful |
| 03:47.42 | Corrodias | useless? well, only in every situation in which you could get someone of a class of your choice. |
| 03:47.43 | bleetah | yeah, well, if this does go live, I'm not gunna be happy.. druid was gunna be my third class.. I've spent time over past few weeks slowly levelling a couple |
| 03:48.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's going to bleetah |
| 03:48.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | every negative druid change that's happened purposely has stayed |
| 03:48.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm fairly certain we can't tank anything immune to bleeds anymore |
| 03:48.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | and even bleedable mobs is gonna be tough with us getting hit harder and having less health |
| 03:50.26 | bleetah | which, to me, is more important than some class changes ;) |
| 03:51.05 | bleetah | argh, all the spell buton icons are fucked up |
| 03:51.23 | bleetah | either black, or a mess of random pixels |
| 03:52.10 | bleetah | or a mix of the two |
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| 03:54.43 | AndrewFBlack | hello |
| 03:55.31 | Cairenn | hi |
| 03:56.50 | AndrewFBlack | how can you make your addon read the text in the chat box then do something |
| 04:03.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | arghhh i'm pissed now |
| 04:04.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | i get to go to bed pissed off again |
| 04:04.17 | bleetah | stop yer bithin' |
| 04:04.31 | bleetah | at this rate, I'm gunna have to go out and by fucking windows to play after 2.1 is released |
| 04:04.36 | bleetah | *bitchin |
| 04:06.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm really pissed that the forum idiots made blizzard give in to the whining |
| 04:07.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | not much i can say other than I expected blizzard to have finally turned us around and given us viability |
| 04:07.20 | bleetah | well, imagine havin' all your spells and actions and macro icons look the same |
| 04:07.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | but nope :[ |
| 04:07.28 | bleetah | then you'll see why I'm-a-bitchin |
| 04:07.41 | bleetah | particulkarly when they're black, or mostly black with some random colour pixels @ the top |
| 04:08.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | this is 2 years worth of work gone down the drain for me, versus a likely easily fixable bug |
| 04:10.55 | bleetah | dude, the linux community has been waiting how long? |
| 04:11.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | a couple hours since the ptr came out? :O |
| 04:11.32 | bleetah | blizz get the lead programmer from the best linux gaming company out there, commercial linux games practically collapse, and each major update we're forced to run around fixing up the support for opengl |
| 04:11.50 | bleetah | Mr_Rabies2: try 'since before release' |
| 04:12.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | ah, i didn't know that there were more serious wine problems |
| 04:12.47 | bleetah | due to it running under wine, it gets *very* touchy about other services taking a few CPU ticks away |
| 04:12.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | but they've never made claims to supporting linux from what i've seen |
| 04:13.13 | haste | they only made claims that they test their warden under wine and cedega |
| 04:13.43 | bleetah | well, I seem to recall that someone said in beta before release there was a linux client |
| 04:13.53 | bleetah | *and* there's the IsLinux API thing |
| 04:14.06 | bleetah | put it this way, I wouldn't be too suprised if slouken's got one hacked up |
| 04:14.34 | bleetah | I mean, if they can get one working on a Mac, *and* on Windows, *and* on Wine under Linux (with a lot of work from the community), it really couldn't be that hard ;) |
| 04:14.47 | bleetah | I suspect it's got more to do with protecting the warden and stuff like that, than any other reason |
| 04:14.58 | haste | the IsLinux API was added for consitency |
| 04:15.19 | bleetah | so why nod 'IsBSD' ? |
| 04:15.34 | bleetah | s/nod/not/ |
| 04:15.35 | haste | consistency* |
| 04:15.52 | haste | I wouldn't have an answer for that |
| 04:16.25 | bleetah | kinda makes the IsLinux *inconsistent* ;) |
| 04:16.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | guess i'll try rerolling warrior now before i straight up quit |
| 04:16.51 | bleetah | as they don't have calls for other OS's that it 'doesn't run on'.. unless, of course... it actually does ;) |
| 04:16.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | fuck, i'm so unhappy right now :/ |
| 04:17.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | eh |
| 04:18.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't feel like dealing with azeroth again |
| 04:18.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | guess theres a time where all good things come to an end |
| 04:20.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | LIVE: Out of 20 mauls: average is 510 per maul, crits for 1200. |
| 04:20.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | PTR: Out of 20 mauls: average is 380 per maul, crits for 830 |
| 04:21.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | :( |
| 04:24.03 | Corrodias | i'm rather embarassed to have my feral staff out right now. |
| 04:25.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | 380 on a maul is beyond pitiful |
| 04:25.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's now a giant waste of rage |
| 04:25.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | other than mostly just a waste of rage |
| 04:25.45 | Corrodias | careful, rabies |
| 04:25.50 | Corrodias | it's your best way of generating threat |
| 04:25.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | no, no it's not |
| 04:25.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's terrible for threat |
| 04:26.13 | Corrodias | what else are you going to use? minimangle? :) well, i suppose |
| 04:26.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | nothing anymore |
| 04:26.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | we're useless again |
| 04:26.38 | Corrodias | for tanking |
| 04:26.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | yep |
| 04:26.52 | Corrodias | so my guild goes back to having about 4 tanks |
| 04:27.08 | Corrodias | and we'll get to hyjal approximately never |
| 04:27.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm probably quitting for good finally, been playing since december '04 and i've gone from being incredibly happy with my druid for once to quitting in a day |
| 04:28.38 | Corrodias | it's theoretically possible they'll make more changes before it goes live |
| 04:28.40 | Corrodias | or even after |
| 04:29.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | negative ones maybe |
| 04:29.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | but positive? doubt it |
| 04:29.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | our ship has sailed |
| 04:29.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | we had a good few weeks of being useful |
| 04:29.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | never again |
| 04:29.54 | Cairenn | oi, for the love of ... it's Test server, it doesn't mean it's going through, it doesn't mean it'll never change even if it does |
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| 04:30.26 | Corrodias | i don't have experience with this -- how frequent is it that a test realm patch change doesn't go live? |
| 04:31.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | cair, i'll be pleasantly surprised if it does |
| 04:31.15 | Cairenn | it's *test* ... until it actually goes live, it may still change |
| 04:31.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | every time someone's said that i've said this exact same thing |
| 04:31.21 | Corrodias | that doesn't answer my question |
| 04:31.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | and i've yet to be wrong yet |
| 04:31.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | yet yet yet |
| 04:31.43 | Cairenn | and even after it does go live, doesn't mean it may not change again |
| 04:32.03 | Cairenn | anyway, whatever, definitely not a night I should be saying anything, so I'll just shut up again |
| 04:32.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | nonono, say what you want |
| 04:33.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm just ranting and being depressed because every time we take a giant hit i get the "eh, it could always be reversed" and it never does :/ |
| 04:34.14 | Cairenn | I'm just saying that crying over something that isn't even live yet is pretty damn stupid - look at all the bitching and moaning that went on about the 2.0 UI changes, while it was still in beta - then when it actually all went live, it wasn't near so bad as the doomsayers made it out to be |
| 04:34.34 | Cairenn | but as I said, I have zero patience tonight for damn near anything, so best I just shut up before I upset people |
| 04:34.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's like gasoline prices, we get hit in the wallet so hard, going from 1.50 a gallon to 4 bucks a gallon back down to 2.50 sounds good |
| 04:34.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | I'm sorry cair :[ |
| 04:35.11 | Cairenn | it's okay, it's not your fault |
| 04:35.32 | Cairenn | I should know better, should have just kept my mouth shut |
| 04:36.30 | Cairenn | it isn't actually you |
| 04:36.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | don't worry about it, you could yell at me all day and i'm pretty unphased, but you nerf my pride and joy and you get a rather angry letter :p |
| 04:36.35 | AndrewFBlack | hey is there a way where when some one messages me my addon can read that and message them back with something that i set |
| 04:36.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm pretty sure, andrew, there's a few auto-respond addons out there |
| 04:37.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | uness that got hit with the 2.0 UI nerfbat |
| 04:37.11 | cladhaire | patch notes out somwehere? |
| 04:37.20 | cladhaire | saying they're nerfing bear form, shadow priests, prayer of mending, etc. |
| 04:37.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/patchnotes/test-realm-patchnotes.html |
| 04:37.34 | AndrewFBlack | havn't been able to find one |
| 04:37.37 | cladhaire | bastage |
| 04:37.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | bear got a huuuge nerf clad :[ |
| 04:37.41 | Corrodias | indeed |
| 04:37.42 | cladhaire | fuck |
| 04:37.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | like 30-40% dps/aggro nerf and 10-15% hp/armor nerf |
| 04:37.56 | Corrodias | bear tanks? no way. prayer of mending? whatever it was, you can only do it every 20 seconds now! |
| 04:38.23 | Corrodias | vampiric embrace effectiveness down well over 25% |
| 04:38.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | maybe they'll give us maul and swipe's aggro formula back |
| 04:38.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | however, i doubt it, but i'd rather be surprised by them fixing it than hoping they do and being disappointed even more |
| 04:39.01 | Shadowed | ooo they nerfed POM too? |
| 04:39.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't mind bear taking a damage nerf honestly, as long as we get a threat buff to accomodate for that |
| 04:39.38 | Corrodias | i don't know what it was, but apparently they did |
| 04:39.38 | bleetah | hmm more reports of severe bustage with other WoW Winers |
| 04:40.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's not live, i'm sure they'll fix it before then :p |
| 04:41.21 | cladhaire | Mr_Rabies: the rage may help |
| 04:41.21 | Corrodias | does blizzard make an effort to make it run in Wine? |
| 04:41.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | that wasn't a stab at you cair, just the forums in general :p |
| 04:41.34 | Corrodias | druids didn't really have trouble with rage, as far as i can tell |
| 04:41.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | the problem is we're not gaining rage if we're mauling now |
| 04:41.53 | cladhaire | no but having more to dump won't hurt |
| 04:42.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | and we can't tank with mangle anymore |
| 04:42.05 | Corrodias | i was tanking this boss recently and i had to start tossing swipes along with the mauls and lacerates just to use up my rage |
| 04:42.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | and half the mobs in the game are immune to lacerate |
| 04:42.24 | Corrodias | even more rage? useless |
| 04:43.08 | Corrodias | actually, the testers will probably never notice, because they'll lose aggro as the mob kills all the healers and say "see? i don't have a lot of rage. he's not hitting me. therefore, rage buff good. end!" |
| 04:43.25 | cladhaire | lol |
| 04:43.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | so my fancy new tanking strategy not using maul but when i'm above 70 rage or so is going to be useless |
| 04:44.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | since we got a pretty hefty threat and survivability nerf across the board, after the threat nerf to maul and swipe before |
| 04:44.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | :/ |
| 04:44.39 | Corrodias | i'm used to being aimless with my druid |
| 04:44.55 | Corrodias | somehow, i keep wanting to play it even though i'm never as effective as anyone else at something (well, until just recently) |
| 04:45.02 | Corrodias | but our guild doesn't have enough tanks. this hurts. |
| 04:45.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | all the warriors are gonna be like |
| 04:45.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | HAY MORE RAEG, LOLARMS |
| 04:45.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | and no one will want to tank, druids won't be able to and no warriors will want to |
| 04:45.55 | Shadowed | uhm |
| 04:45.59 | Shadowed | rage sucks for tanking right now |
| 04:45.59 | Corrodias | "cry more, noob, now warriors are the tanks again! what? tank for you? sorry, i'm tanking with my buddies in an instance 3 tiers above you. hmm? there are no other tanks? not my fault." |
| 04:46.06 | Shadowed | it's extremely hard to tank multiple mobs |
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| 04:46.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | tab sunder is more effective than swipe in most cases |
| 04:46.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | especially now |
| 04:46.49 | Shadowed | you forget a few things |
| 04:46.53 | Corrodias | why aren't mobs sunder immune, anyway? |
| 04:46.57 | Corrodias | most of them don't even wear armor |
| 04:46.57 | Shadowed | ... |
| 04:47.11 | Corrodias | (re: being immune to bleed effects, including lacerate) |
| 04:47.45 | Corrodias | i realize now that i'm assuming that there aren't sunder-immune mobs |
| 04:47.48 | Corrodias | i've just never seen any |
| 04:47.49 | Shadowed | first off, tab sunder means we're not generating much rage or aggro on the current target everybody is on, it also has a limit from GCD |
| 04:48.13 | Shadowed | since, I know you guys are feral Druids and will never see reason. i'm not going to even try to argue this |
| 04:48.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | i tab lacerate on mobs that aren't immune since swipe doesn't do the job in pugs with people who can't assist |
| 04:48.56 | Corrodias | i'm just a druid in general, and a member of a guild with only a few high level warriors |
| 04:49.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | lacerate's weaker than sunder and it's usually enough if i keep reapplying it before it wears off |
| 04:50.32 | bleetah | ok, couple of the wine folks looking at it |
| 04:50.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | i hate going to bed in a bad mood, why do i read the forums before going to sleep every day |
| 04:51.00 | bleetah | but yeah, seems that blizz have changed something under the hood. icons don't render using OpenGL with Wine, and they're either wrong or just black in D3D |
| 04:55.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm pretty sure coroiel hates me |
| 04:55.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | i report like 30-40 posts a day for trolling, heh |
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| 05:01.09 | Corrodias | i don't even -have- another high level character to experiment with. i am one of those "casuals". |
| 05:02.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've got an army of alts of varying levels |
| 05:02.24 | Corrodias | none of mine are over 34, and none i ever want to play avain aboce 25 |
| 05:02.29 | Corrodias | *again |
| 05:02.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | hell i tanked scholo a couple ptrs ago on a premade warrior that i picked up literally 4 hours before |
| 05:02.32 | Corrodias | *above |
| 05:02.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | successfully |
| 05:02.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | as an arms spec |
| 05:03.03 | Corrodias | being a tanking warrior sounds terribly exciting to me. but i don't -have- a warrior. all i have is this druid. |
| 05:03.17 | Corrodias | it would take me a long time, as a casual player, to choose another class that can do something -well- |
| 05:04.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's so much easier |
| 05:04.40 | Corrodias | that balance/restoration spec i had was just an embarassment |
| 05:04.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | you have so many options |
| 05:04.52 | Corrodias | i felt like a slow mage. like a mage with a learning disability. |
| 05:05.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's not just mangle, faerie fire, and lacerate to 5 then keep lacerate up while mangling and hope |
| 05:06.23 | Corrodias | i think my only option is to stick to cat form for all soloing purposes and then try to scrape out an existence as a healing assistant in groups. but it's always been that way. |
| 05:06.53 | Corrodias | before TBC, i had 20 points in the feral tree, and that was just enough to let me use cat form to beat stuff on my own. it isn't in TBC. |
| 05:07.05 | Corrodias | the rest were in restoration, and i was a good healer |
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| 05:07.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | the trees are very polarized in tbc for us |
| 05:07.55 | Corrodias | whyyyy didn't i make a priest? because i didn't know they had shadow spells. |
| 05:08.26 | Corrodias | i didn't know a lot about the classes when i first started playing the game, and getting up past level 30 is not a quick thing when you have no resources at all |
| 05:08.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | the only hybrid spec that make sense is 0/4x/1x |
| 05:08.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | because resto has some feral talents to help keep it form being TOTALLY useless |
| 05:08.48 | Corrodias | brb |
| 05:11.41 | bleetah | this is patch 2.0.10, not 2.1.0 |
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| 05:13.41 | bleetah | which then prompts the question.. where is 2.0.9? |
| 05:13.46 | Corrodias | i get conflicting reports about how easy it is to level a warrior, but i don't think anybody considers it fun |
| 05:13.56 | Corrodias | and yet every party needs one |
| 05:15.07 | Thunder_Child | it is fun, but not a prot |
| 05:15.12 | Thunder_Child | or whatever wars have |
| 05:15.17 | Thunder_Child | as* |
| 05:15.54 | Cairenn | night folks |
| 05:16.16 | Corrodias | now, when you say "fun"... |
| 05:16.26 | Thunder_Child | night Cairenn |
| 05:16.33 | Thunder_Child | fun = enjoyable |
| 05:16.34 | bleetah | kk, it's confirmed between half a dozen WoW Winers |
| 05:16.39 | bleetah | 2.0.10 is bust for us |
| 05:17.20 | Corrodias | did warriors need more rage? |
| 05:17.21 | bleetah | and first glance across the wine logs and stuff, there's nothing easily detectable for us to work on to even start thinking of a patch |
| 05:17.32 | Corrodias | are they any better at tanking multiple mobs in 2.0.10ptr? |
| 05:17.43 | bleetah | nn Cairenn|afk, rest well |
| 05:18.00 | Tem | Corrodias, with thunder clap in def stance, I imagine that they should be better at it |
| 05:18.03 | Cairenn|afk | god I certainly hope so =/ |
| 05:18.13 | Cairenn|afk | but I'm not counting on it |
| 05:18.32 | bleetah | purl, hug Cairenn|afk |
| 05:18.35 | purl | ACTION jumps into Cairenn|afk's lap and huggles and *hugs* Cairenn|afk |
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| 05:21.31 | Corrodias | if i don't play my druid, i'll fall behind. hmm. |
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| 05:50.09 | bleetah | looks like someone's worked out a Wine workaround for 2.0.10 |
| 05:50.31 | bleetah | UIFaster of 0 is working for at least one person |
| 05:56.06 | Guillotine | the damage was a bit over the top, but not so much that it needed to be nerfed by 40% o.O |
| 05:56.17 | Guillotine | oh well, kitty form is more fun anyway |
| 05:57.00 | Corrodias | i didn't spec feral for cat form |
| 05:57.13 | Corrodias | i wanted to help my guild find a tank for more than one instance every few days |
| 05:57.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | i honestly don't have a problem with bear getting a damage nerf |
| 05:57.40 | Corrodias | i didn't even know bears did good damage |
| 05:58.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | however, i do have a problem with savage fury being all but useless, and our survivability being knocked down at the same time |
| 05:58.05 | Corrodias | (i just started feral yesterday) |
| 05:58.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | and our aggro not getting increased to make up for the damage nerf |
| 05:59.03 | Corrodias | i can't tank if the mobs will ignore me, everything else aside |
| 05:59.32 | Guillotine | I agree. if the aggro was increased so that we could still hold aggro I'd be ok |
| 05:59.40 | Guillotine | the problem is currently bear form aggro is based purely on damage |
| 05:59.47 | Guillotine | and our damage was just nearly cut in half |
| 05:59.59 | Guillotine | well, near purely |
| 06:00.00 | Corrodias | can i have 1.9 bear form back, please? |
| 06:01.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | bear's gone from 40% more hp and 450% more armor to 25% more STAMINA and 400% more armor in a few small patches |
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| 06:01.37 | Corrodias | and from generating threat on maul & swipe to... |
| 06:01.51 | Guillotine | generating less threat on maul and swipe |
| 06:02.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | to generating almost none |
| 06:02.12 | Corrodias | generating threat only with a bleed effect ability and damage done by abilities which do very little damage now |
| 06:02.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | now that they got nerfed by 20% for most druids |
| 06:02.24 | Guillotine | And the whines were just dying down due to other people gearing up and druids not scaling again >< |
| 06:02.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | yep |
| 06:03.03 | Guillotine | cool. you can use all the charges on an Agate Shield, then d/e it o.O |
| 06:03.54 | Corrodias | priests apparently got kicked in the balls, too |
| 06:05.12 | Corrodias | so. every party needs tanks & healers. in the PTR notes, they've gotten rid of a significant number of tanks and given a swift rap to the nuts of most of the main healers. |
| 06:05.39 | Corrodias | with the upcoming cleave effect change, i guess it's the Rogue's day to shine? |
| 06:05.49 | Guillotine | well, shadow priests were nerfed |
| 06:05.53 | Guillotine | not healing priests |
| 06:06.07 | Corrodias | okay, what is prayer of mending? i really don't know. |
| 06:06.07 | Guillotine | basically, their forcing more druids/priests to be healers :( |
| 06:06.29 | Guillotine | the priest casts it on a target. once that target takes damage, it jumps to another random raid member |
| 06:06.40 | Guillotine | once that person takes damage, it heals and jumps again |
| 06:06.42 | Guillotine | ect. |
| 06:06.43 | Guillotine | 5 times |
| 06:07.21 | Corrodias | that doesn't sound as cool as i remember reading about before 2.0 came out |
| 06:07.51 | Corrodias | well, they put a 20 second cooldown on that. apparently, the priests were enjoying it until that point. |
| 06:08.21 | bleetah | I'm wondering.. if it forces more druids/priests to be healers, maybe they're looking at the class numbers and there's a desperate shortage of healers since they |
| 06:08.27 | bleetah | they've gone into DPS mode |
| 06:08.51 | bleetah | just a thought |
| 06:08.55 | Corrodias | well, maybe. we haven't had any shortage in my guild, or from what i can tell on my realm |
| 06:09.08 | Thunder_Child | i do DPS to lvl only then i do disc/holy |
| 06:10.54 | Corrodias | damn, those priests are mad |
| 06:11.13 | Guillotine | wait, where in the patch ntoes does it say PoM got a 20 second cooldown? o.O |
| 06:11.34 | Guillotine | or was it undocumented? |
| 06:11.53 | Corrodias | under priests |
| 06:11.54 | Corrodias | "Prayer of Mending now has a 20 second cooldown." |
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| 06:13.08 | AndrewFBlack | anyone know of any addons that auto responds to someone? |
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| 06:14.20 | Guillotine | in what way? |
| 06:14.44 | AndrewFBlack | like auto responds a message when the message me |
| 06:15.27 | Corrodias | are there any other good mmorpg's that are not pvp-happy, give you a sense of purpose, and aren't WoW? |
| 06:16.04 | Guillotine | something like AutoMsg (http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6912-AutoMsg.html) |
| 06:16.41 | AndrewFBlack | yep |
| 06:19.10 | Guillotine | in the future, just try using "Search" I hadn't seen that addon before, just searched for "auto" |
| 06:22.54 | Corrodias | rabies and i... we need to search for another game |
| 06:23.21 | Corrodias | i don't know if i can take this nonsense much longer, but then, would another game be any better? |
| 06:23.57 | Guillotine | GuildWars is pretty fun. but I havn't tried playing it as my main game. just here and there |
| 06:24.07 | Corrodias | guild wars doesn't have enough pve to give me a sense of purpose |
| 06:24.16 | Corrodias | at least, before the expansions. i haven't played it since they hit. |
| 06:24.28 | Guillotine | I dunno. I never do the PvE |
| 06:24.43 | Corrodias | a short pve romp, with no particular reason to do it except to unlock skills, and then it's pvp until you get sick of it, which doesn't take very long for me and pvp |
| 06:25.00 | Guillotine | LOTRO looks interesting. We could all try getting into the beta ;) |
| 06:25.09 | Guillotine | love the professions aspect |
| 06:25.28 | Thunder_Child | Cair already is |
| 06:25.32 | Tain | If you apply for the beta now you'll probably get in, they'll do stress test betas soon. |
| 06:25.37 | Corrodias | argh, someone says on the priest thread, " That part that pisses me off the most is the lack of any appealing alternative in the MMO market at this time to go play instead and WAR is still months away... " |
| 06:26.13 | Tain | I've been in LotRO beta for a while, it is pretty fun. It won't knock off WoW or anything, but it is a solid game. |
| 06:27.05 | bleetah | OK, WoW seems to be changing the default renderer in 2.0.10 to multithreaded 3d, which Wine doesn't support, hence the bustage of WoW 2.0.10 PTR on Wine. /console set uifaster 0, /console reloadui and you'll be fine, 'cept maybe lose a few FPS |
| 06:27.19 | bleetah | (insofar as opengl goes) |
| 06:27.31 | Corrodias | i want something to play that's as satisfying as wow can be -at times-, without all the up and down drama of classes getting huge buffs and nerfs. but then where would be the fun, eh? |
| 06:28.08 | bleetah | I applied for LOTRO beta two days ago, I'm still downloading the client when my b/w allows |
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| 06:28.39 | Thunder_Child | cairs comment of "[02/12/2007 - 07:06] Cairenn|afk: they thought it incredibly funny to find the one thing that was *really* bringing out the geek in me |
| 06:28.39 | Thunder_Child | [02/12/2007 - 07:07] Cairenn|afk: listening to me almost creaming my jeans when I got to meet Strider, etc" will haunt me for a while |
| 06:28.54 | Corrodias | not sure i'd want to be meeting Strider |
| 06:29.05 | Corrodias | seems a bit cheesy |
| 06:29.09 | Tain | They're all there. |
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| 06:29.21 | Tain | Gandalf, Elrond, the dwarves, etc. |
| 06:30.34 | bleetah | we had a science teacher in Highschool we called Gandalf |
| 06:30.46 | bleetah | one day he heard us, and he laughed so hard we thought he was gunna die :-s |
| 06:31.06 | wobin | bleetah: You're kidding =\ |
| 06:31.19 | wobin | irt the byebye openGL |
| 06:35.40 | Guillotine | holy crap. I just realized how much I'm going to have to be mining. Nightseye panther needs 10 Hardened Adamantite Bars, 2 Nightseye, and 2 Primal Shadows. Doesn't sound so bad, right? But each Hardened Adamantite Bar needs 10 Adamantite Bars. And each Adamantite Bars needs 2 Adamantite Ore. Thats 6 stacks of adamantite to gain one level in JC o.O |
| 06:35.50 | bleetah | wobin: kidding about what? |
| 06:37.54 | cogwheel | gah... i finally make one of the most important improvements to CogsBar since its creation and the wowi admins are all gone :( |
| 06:38.22 | Thunder_Child | heh |
| 06:38.49 | wobin | cogwheel: You have it automatically block any message from Gohaveth? =P |
| 06:38.50 | Thunder_Child | murphy loves ya |
| 06:39.15 | wobin | bleetah: Wine incompatibility |
| 06:39.42 | bleetah | wobin: yeah, a bit of a suck... but it seems to have got some of the wine devs into a lather about getting multithreaded 3d in opengl happening soon ;) |
| 06:40.46 | bleetah | so, in all, it may not be a bad thing. in the meantime, for the current PTR, turn it off. I'm kinda hoping that Macs may have a problem with it too, which could help ;) |
| 06:46.20 | Corrodias | i think this one thread in the priest forum has more blizzard dev hatred in it than all of the druid forum |
| 06:46.56 | Shadowed | Priests can blame the people who spammed it in PVP for the nerf |
| 06:47.00 | Shadowed | s/nerf/fix/ |
| 06:47.13 | wobin | PVP is the cause for all nerfs =P |
| 06:47.18 | wobin | Just blame PVPers |
| 06:47.27 | Corrodias | i think blizzard devs rolling a d20 to see who to piss off next is the cause for all nerfs |
| 06:47.45 | Shadowed | I think you're trying to place blame instead of trying to look at it logically |
| 06:48.46 | Corrodias | most of these priests say that it would be reasonable for it to have a cooldown of 5 seconds |
| 06:48.50 | wobin | Nah, PVP is the reason for all nerfs =) |
| 06:48.53 | wobin | It's the truth |
| 06:48.57 | Shadowed | 5 seconds is a bit to short |
| 06:49.20 | Shadowed | I was expecting around 10 seconds, and somebody else was thinking they would just make a debuff like PW:S has which would solve everything |
| 06:49.29 | Corrodias | how many times can you spam healing on yourself when you're stunned, i wonder...? |
| 06:49.48 | wobin | you could possibly hit 'desperate prayer' |
| 06:50.20 | Shadowed | Because stuns never miss, get resisted, get trinketed out of and such |
| 06:50.41 | Shadowed | 2vs2/3vs3 priests with POM were crazy, 5vs5 it wasn't so bad since you usually have enough DPS on them that it doesn't matter |
| 06:54.49 | MentalPower | updating firefox, brb |
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| 06:59.42 | Thunder_Child | i love MST3K |
| 06:59.50 | Corrodias | i'm surprised city of heroes/villains is so highly-rated. most of the time, reports i hear from players are that it gets damn boring. |
| 07:04.53 | Corrodias | whoa. from these screenshots, vanguard looks like its art team used Poser models as a basis. o.o |
| 07:05.00 | Corrodias | it's that damn creepy "stare" |
| 07:10.41 | Mike-N-Go | I am a level 63 hunter, Tauren, most everyone in my guild that is online is level 70; what should I do? |
| 07:11.02 | Mike-N-Go | I was thinking of gquiting, because I do nothing with the guild. |
| 07:11.07 | Corrodias | stop playing until i decide what i want to do |
| 07:11.26 | Mike-N-Go | But I know I will need a reliable player-base for Instance runs. |
| 07:11.37 | Mike-N-Go | What to do, what to do.. |
| 07:11.40 | Corrodias | why quit when you're so close to the end? |
| 07:12.27 | Mike-N-Go | I rather not the tensions of the guild, I have done next to NOTHING with them. |
| 07:13.34 | Mike-N-Go | Last instance that yielded XP for me I was in with guild, was 3 weeks ago. |
| 07:22.05 | Corrodias | maybe i need to find another game to take a break with for just a little while |
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| 08:04.41 | Tem | Can someone here do me a favor? |
| 08:05.43 | Tem | Try to call any tooltip's IsOwned method and lemme know what you get |
| 08:05.55 | Tem | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:06.02 | Tem | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:06.12 | Tem | which tooltip doesn't matter |
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| 08:07.55 | bleetah | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:09.55 | bleetah | tem: do you want to see more of the debug trace I've got here? |
| 08:10.09 | Tem | no, it's probably the same one I'm looking at |
| 08:10.19 | bleetah | guessed as much |
| 08:10.23 | Tem | thanks though |
| 08:10.29 | bleetah | DevTools\DevToolsDump.lua:378: value() |
| 08:10.33 | Tem | the error is in C code |
| 08:10.37 | bleetah | then into ChatFrame |
| 08:10.46 | bleetah | tasty |
| 08:11.10 | Tem | oh, maybe it actually is a devtools bug |
| 08:11.28 | Tem | extremely unlikely, but I really don't want it to be an api bug atm |
| 08:11.44 | MentalPower | try a standard /run or /script instead of /dump |
| 08:11.58 | Tem | yeah, I just did |
| 08:12.07 | Tem | and the API is borked |
| 08:12.21 | Tem | how long has 2.0.8 been live? |
| 08:12.45 | bleetah | Tem: fwiw, http://wowi.pastey.net/7149 |
| 08:13.00 | Tem | lol |
| 08:13.06 | Tem | that is VERBATIM what I'm looking at |
| 08:13.10 | bleetah | just over a week |
| 08:13.22 | Tem | oh wait, no, my errorID is higher |
| 08:13.29 | Tem | so no, not quite verbatim |
| 08:13.35 | Tem | oh and I guess the time is different too |
| 08:15.05 | Tem | ugh how annoying |
| 08:15.14 | Tem | I needed that function... |
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| 08:37.23 | Kaso | Woah 2.0.10, i didnt see this coming |
| 08:37.32 | Kaso | Warriors buffed, druids nerfed. |
| 08:38.06 | zenzelezz | how? |
| 08:39.10 | bleetah | shadow priests nerfed too |
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| 08:39.19 | bleetah | www.worldofwarcraft.com/patchnotes/test-realm-patchnotes.html |
| 08:39.20 | Kaso | not just shadow priest |
| 08:39.26 | Kaso | they nerfed Pom! |
| 08:39.29 | Kaso | im pissed |
| 08:39.43 | bleetah | I'm wondering what happened to 2.0.9... did it get sent to it's room for being an ugly sunovabish? |
| 08:40.00 | Neuro_Medivh | Kaso, here's something to cheer you up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_dsqyEPnT0 |
| 08:41.09 | Kaso | :< for some reason youtube is crashing firefox for me |
| 08:42.10 | Neuro_Medivh | wow, they nerfed druid health |
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| 08:42.45 | Kaso | And damage. and armor :> |
| 08:43.19 | Shadowed | Kaso: Blame people who spammed it in PVP |
| 08:44.08 | Kaso | But thats the point, for one priest moment priests actually had some suriviablity in PvP, now we're back to dying in 5 seconds |
| 08:44.33 | Shadowed | no, you had survivability in pvp with only 2-3 people attacking you, assuming they had no offensive dispeller |
| 08:44.59 | Shadowed | if you want survivability, disc is better |
| 08:45.18 | Neuro_Medivh | lol, mass dispel always goes for the bubble |
| 08:45.36 | Kaso | tbh thats how it always should have been |
| 08:45.56 | Kaso | I also like: The threat generated from the spell effect on "Thunderfury" has been substantially reduced. |
| 08:46.06 | Kaso | finally warrior can retire thier MC weapon |
| 08:46.34 | Shadowed | people were pissed when I said that it was a needed changed! |
| 08:46.42 | bleetah | oO "Ruby Slippers" now properly have a cast time." /wrist |
| 08:46.58 | Shadowed | a lot of items were changed around too |
| 08:47.10 | Kaso | The change in socket values is good |
| 08:47.19 | Kaso | perhaps finally tier 4 will be better than blues |
| 08:47.37 | Neuro_Medivh | I see nothing about pom being nerfed |
| 08:47.54 | Kaso | 20second cooldown |
| 08:47.57 | Kaso | in the priest section |
| 08:48.00 | Neuro_Medivh | OH, you meant Prayer of Mending |
| 08:48.13 | Neuro_Medivh | sorry, I'm a mage, pom means Presence of Mind to me |
| 08:48.17 | Kaso | ah |
| 08:48.55 | Neuro_Medivh | the stoneclaw totem change is huge, geez |
| 08:49.08 | Neuro_Medivh | well, not for pvp, but in grouping |
| 08:49.11 | Shadowed | remember it's when they attack it, not pulse |
| 08:49.16 | Shadowed | actually it's pretty good in pvp |
| 08:49.33 | Shadowed | people don't check totem names most of the time, they see a totem and they want it dead |
| 08:49.37 | Neuro_Medivh | lol |
| 08:49.45 | Kaso | wow, nurfed Glimmering Mithril Insignia, that items been in the game since launch and the nerf it now? |
| 08:49.55 | Neuro_Medivh | wasn't a problem till now |
| 08:49.58 | bleetah | i use my pet to trash them, 'coz in PvP pets are usually ignored ;) |
| 08:50.12 | Kaso | How is it a problem now? |
| 08:50.18 | Shadowed | Because it's an extra fear break |
| 08:50.19 | Neuro_Medivh | No idea |
| 08:50.25 | Neuro_Medivh | but apparently it is |
| 08:50.30 | Kaso | hm |
| 08:50.34 | Shadowed | probably didn't find it being abused until arenas or something |
| 08:50.39 | Kaso | ah yes |
| 08:50.43 | Kaso | 10min cooldown is reset |
| 08:50.44 | Kaso | 30 isnt |
| 08:50.50 | Shadowed | oh good point |
| 08:50.54 | Shadowed | the question is does the stun proc on ranged/spells? |
| 08:51.22 | Neuro_Medivh | says struck, who knows |
| 08:51.33 | Kaso | seems like it would be melee |
| 08:51.38 | Neuro_Medivh | with blizzard, it probably will try to stun on ranged, but the totem will get an "out of range" error =) |
| 08:51.40 | zenzelezz | I'm excited about this patch |
| 08:51.50 | Shadowed | zenzelezz they nerfed 3rd tech bracers :p |
| 08:51.53 | Shadowed | well fixed |
| 08:51.59 | zenzelezz | hard to offtank a boss when you hardly generate rage |
| 08:52.03 | zenzelezz | Shadowed: I've got better |
| 08:52.09 | Shadowed | zenzelezz: Whatcha using? |
| 08:52.17 | zenzelezz | Vambraces of Courage |
| 08:52.44 | Shadowed | those are pretty nice |
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| 09:09.21 | Kaso | Neuro_Medivh |
| 09:09.46 | Kaso | Do you know whats "broken" about frosty, alot of people are complaining about a lack of a fix |
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| 09:11.00 | Neuro_Medivh | frosty? |
| 09:11.09 | Neuro_Medivh | you mean the pet? |
| 09:11.12 | Kaso | yes |
| 09:11.29 | Neuro_Medivh | the biggest complaint I've seen is that it appears to reset it's casting every time you /petattack |
| 09:11.55 | Neuro_Medivh | so people who spam their /petattack /cast Frostbolt macro never get the pet to frostbolt |
| 09:14.44 | Garoun | sigh, after reading those 2.0.10 patch notes |
| 09:15.23 | Kaso | You are a druid or a priest ? |
| 09:15.28 | Garoun | druid |
| 09:15.32 | Garoun | I figured it'd come |
| 09:15.43 | Garoun | but per usual blizz over did it :P |
| 09:15.46 | Kaso | yah it was forseeable |
| 09:16.04 | Kaso | When the tank class is being out-tanked somethings wrong i guess |
| 09:16.10 | snurre | about time blizz realized how badly they nerfed warrs in 2.0 tho.. this was inevitable |
| 09:16.36 | Garoun | yeah but they should have buffed warriors and tweaked druids down a little |
| 09:16.50 | Garoun | not cut druids off at the knees and throw warriors a foodscrap :P |
| 09:16.55 | Neuro_Medivh | lolz dr00dz lrn2playnowlolomfgwithfishsauceyummyfishsauce! |
| 09:17.07 | Kaso | ha |
| 09:17.07 | snurre | i guess the druid nerf was a bit harsh, but as it is today druids of any spec are better off than most |
| 09:17.34 | Garoun | well I was the druid most warriors hated |
| 09:17.47 | Garoun | I specced purely tank talent wise :) |
| 09:18.08 | Garoun | so I basically can't heal for crap and my cat form dps is 'ok' |
| 09:18.19 | snurre | cause they could perform equally or better than warriors at the *only* task theyre viable for atm |
| 09:18.47 | Garoun | warriors are quite viable in dps roles right now as well |
| 09:19.02 | snurre | they can't even compete with rogues, so no |
| 09:19.03 | Garoun | one of the best groups I had was me tanking with a warrior dw fury |
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| 09:19.12 | Neuro_Medivh | I gotta figure out what to do with my enhance shaman |
| 09:19.12 | snurre | as they can't tank anything useful as non-prot |
| 09:19.12 | Garoun | because all of our bleed related abilites |
| 09:19.51 | Garoun | don't get me started on DW shaman that are keeping quiet and hiding under radar hehe |
| 09:19.56 | Garoun | their time is coming |
| 09:20.06 | Neuro_Medivh | um, there's nothing to keep under the radar |
| 09:20.11 | Neuro_Medivh | DW shaman are blah |
| 09:20.21 | zenzelezz | the rage improvement for warriors is still making me grin |
| 09:20.30 | Neuro_Medivh | I'm dw shaman, and it's fairly worthless |
| 09:20.30 | Garoun | tell that to the 70 one I was grouped with that was ripping through stuff |
| 09:20.42 | Neuro_Medivh | Oh, we have good dps |
| 09:20.43 | zenzelezz | trying to stay second on Moroes' hate list without having something hit you is a mess |
| 09:20.50 | Neuro_Medivh | but we have zero aggro reduction |
| 09:20.53 | Neuro_Medivh | in fact |
| 09:21.05 | Neuro_Medivh | Stormstrike's debuff is a HUGE aggro generator |
| 09:21.08 | Garoun | with a druid, aggro reduction isn't really an issue |
| 09:21.27 | Garoun | in bear ifI hit a few times first, that shaman won't get aggro |
| 09:21.28 | Neuro_Medivh | so while yes, our dps is great, it means we're tanking whatever we're hitting |
| 09:21.55 | Neuro_Medivh | Garoun, I partner with a prot warrior, he cannot keep aggro off my enhance shaman |
| 09:22.06 | zenzelezz | I'm looking forward to seeing our TF tank reading the patch notes |
| 09:22.08 | Neuro_Medivh | not unless I give him 5 sunders |
| 09:22.18 | Neuro_Medivh | in which case, the fight is already over |
| 09:22.42 | Garoun | well yeah, the natural modifier to druid bear helps that issue |
| 09:22.51 | Neuro_Medivh | I'm glad to see Unleashed Rage is no longer gonna generate aggro |
| 09:22.56 | Garoun | wow, they neutered the hell out of Idol of Brutality |
| 09:23.00 | Neuro_Medivh | never realized it did |
| 09:23.48 | Garoun | was 50 bonus to swipe.... now.... 10 |
| 09:24.15 | Garoun | my god |
| 09:24.15 | Kaso | eggs? |
| 09:24.36 | Garoun | This is probably my favorite note: |
| 09:24.42 | bacon | bah |
| 09:24.56 | Garoun | - Correctedmany items that had incorrect stat values assigned to them |
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| 09:25.29 | Garoun | I'm sure when it goes live and I log on, 90% of my druid gear will be in that 'patch' :P |
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| 10:08.13 | xlvii | i need a name for my male undead priest. suggestions, please. |
| 10:09.55 | bleetah | OK, WoW Winers... I've just spoken to the Wine OpenGL guru, and he assures me that Wine's OpenGL *does* do multithreaded rendering, so the PTR issue with icons is not immediately tracable to that. As such, don't expect a fix in a hurry, and you'll have to UIFaster 0 until such time as someone works out wtf is going on |
| 10:10.39 | xlvii | bleetah, what's the problem with icons? not rendering properly? |
| 10:10.46 | xlvii | i have a problem with icons not showing properly. |
| 10:10.49 | xlvii | it's a pain in the ass. |
| 10:11.23 | bleetah | have you tried /console set UIFaster "0" /console reloadui |
| 10:11.35 | bleetah | it's on Wine, with the next PTR release I'm talking about |
| 10:11.54 | bleetah | http://www.bleeter.org/wow/WoWScrnShot_022407_150016.png (sorry for the slow speed link) |
| 10:12.24 | bleetah | changing UIFaster to disable multithreaded OpenGL rendering fixes it |
| 10:14.53 | xlvii | nothing like that. |
| 10:15.07 | bleetah | sorry, I had hoped it'd help you out :( |
| 10:15.08 | xlvii | like, the wrong icon for the wrong thing |
| 10:15.19 | xlvii | once my linen cloth was showing as peacebloom |
| 10:15.22 | xlvii | the icon, anyway |
| 10:15.36 | bleetah | ooh, well I did kinda see that when I tried d3d on the PTR client |
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| 10:16.08 | bleetah | but they were still corrupted, like the 'attack' icon was the grey [.... collar] icon, but with some black veritcal lines through it |
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| 10:16.13 | bleetah | so I just put it down to the same thing |
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| 10:16.32 | bleetah | I really must dash now, but I might try the PTR/D3D/UIFaster combos a bit later on |
| 10:18.31 | Kaso | Oh what the hell wow on wine is broken :< |
| 10:26.14 | wobin | bleetah: I've always had UIFaster as 0 |
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| 10:40.09 | Kaso | anyone happen to have WoW-2.0.8.6403-to-0.0.10.6422-enGB patch lying around? |
| 10:45.41 | |FF|Im2good4u | maybe |
| 10:46.07 | |FF|Im2good4u | huh 2.0.8 to 0.0.10 oO |
| 10:46.38 | Kaso | PTR patch |
| 10:46.49 | |FF|Im2good4u | hm neh dont got it |
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| 11:08.32 | mahiro | hi |
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| 11:14.11 | mahiro | i have a question about function calls, how do i pass 6 arguments? can this be done with a table? |
| 11:14.39 | Kaso | in lua you can pass multiple arguments |
| 11:14.58 | Kaso | fred("test",1,"rawr") |
| 11:15.15 | mahiro | i tried but the 4t wont be passed... |
| 11:15.20 | Kaso | 4t? |
| 11:15.25 | mahiro | and i have 6 arguments... |
| 11:15.41 | Kaso | what do you mean |
| 11:16.02 | haste | how does your function look, and how are you calling it ? |
| 11:16.26 | mahiro | when i have fred(1,2,3) 1,2 and 3 is passed, but i i have fred(1,2,3,4) 4 is not passed |
| 11:16.41 | Kaso | then you have defined fred to only have three arguments? |
| 11:16.54 | mahiro | öhhm no |
| 11:17.07 | MentalPower | pastey your function |
| 11:17.15 | MentalPower | Kaso is right |
| 11:17.36 | MentalPower | either you'v edefined your function to only have three args, or you're just not passing them |
| 11:17.48 | mahiro | hmm |
| 11:17.49 | MentalPower | Lua doesn't eat args |
| 11:18.07 | Kaso | show us your function on http://wowi.pastey.net |
| 11:19.08 | mahiro | well i have no such function at the moment, i tested this some time ago and had this problem. and now i wanted to change some things on a script and this would use up to 6 args |
| 11:19.43 | mahiro | so there should be no problem with a fred(1,2,3,4,5,6) ? |
| 11:20.02 | Kaso | as long as you define fred as function fred(a,b,c,d,e,f,g) or something similar |
| 11:20.23 | Kaso | s/f,g)/f)/ |
| 11:20.24 | MentalPower | also make sure you're not obscuring your locals |
| 11:21.11 | MentalPower | so don't do "function foo(a,b,c,d,e,f) local d,e,f ... end" or d, e and f will not be the args you passed |
| 11:21.21 | MentalPower | night guys |
| 11:23.42 | mahiro | maybe you can help me with that, i have 4 health frames for the party and at the moment i have a color function for each of them, so what i wanna do is have one color function which controlls the color of all the 4 frames. |
| 11:24.16 | mahiro | is it better to use one color function or one for each frame? |
| 11:24.45 | Kaso | its better to have one central function prob |
| 11:24.51 | Kaso | just pass the frame as an argument |
| 11:25.53 | mahiro | what do you mean with pass the frame? |
| 11:26.16 | mahiro | ahh i get it... |
| 11:26.49 | mahiro | so this wont affect the performance if i pass the args of those frames into one function? |
| 11:32.19 | Kaso | Im not totally sure what you are asking, i assume you want to change the color of a frame, if so i'd have a function like: function ChangeColor(frame,r,g,b) |
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| 11:41.24 | mahiro | was just wondering if that would be bad for performance if i have this color function runs for multiple frames at the same time |
| 11:42.03 | Kaso | I doubt it, but i'd have to see your code to know exactly what youre talking about |
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| 11:50.49 | mahiro | ok, i will try it and maybe come back later if it doesent work^^ thx |
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| 12:02.28 | mahiro | seems to work fine |
| 12:02.31 | Corrodias | xlvii: name for a priest: iwishiwaspally |
| 12:03.01 | dieck | I like best the tauren "Hoofhearted" |
| 12:04.46 | Corrodias | according to the priest forum, paladins heal better than priests. with my unfamiliarity with both classes, i couldn't say. |
| 12:05.08 | Kaso | paladins are awesome single target healers |
| 12:05.20 | Kaso | priest tend to have a bit more range with their healing thoughh |
| 12:05.40 | dieck | paladins have a better mana->healing ratio, but less mana |
| 12:06.00 | Kaso | "less mana" is irrellvant |
| 12:06.09 | dieck | no group heal, no hots iirc |
| 12:06.10 | Kaso | paladins can wear the same gear as priest and have the same mana |
| 12:06.29 | dieck | but druids are hard rivals to priests as main healers |
| 12:07.10 | Corrodias | this priest gripe thread has reached 36 pages and automatically locked again while i was napping |
| 12:07.58 | Kaso | priests are pissed with the PoM change :> |
| 12:08.02 | Corrodias | and VE |
| 12:08.11 | Kaso | people care about VE? |
| 12:08.16 | Kaso | i certainly done |
| 12:08.18 | Kaso | dont |
| 12:08.23 | Corrodias | apparently it allowed shadow priests to be useful |
| 12:08.56 | Kaso | 90% of it is overhealing already, 5-10% less wont be huge imo |
| 12:09.00 | dieck | oh, I have a "heal" specced priest (fka main healer) and I love going in instances with a shadow |
| 12:09.06 | Corrodias | but according to this thread, priests have been getting the shaft for a long time now, with multiple abilities that are useless (i've never seen them used, myself) |
| 12:09.21 | dieck | good basic healing through VE, and even mana reg |
| 12:09.37 | Corrodias | and also, they generate some 20% more threat now |
| 12:09.44 | Kaso | yah that is annoying |
| 12:09.52 | dieck | that's more annoying than less VE healing, ack |
| 12:10.05 | Corrodias | so blizzard says "you silly priests, get back to healbotting, healbot" |
| 12:10.17 | dieck | hm, no |
| 12:10.19 | Corrodias | never mind that we can outperform them |
| 12:10.28 | dieck | blizzard says: "shadow is for single use, not group use" |
| 12:11.01 | Corrodias | healbot! |
| 12:11.03 | dieck | it all depends on your skill, not talents or gear :) |
| 12:12.18 | Corrodias | "There have been mutliple enormous threads on this board where scores of priests have enumerated all the different ways the class needs help - ranging from little tweaks to a total overhaul of Discipline. All the details have been hotly debated but there was surely some consensus from the player base that we needed better scaling, better survivability and some talents worth taking. " |
| 12:29.15 | sancus | shadow is still ridiculously overpowered for group use, haha |
| 12:30.15 | Corrodias | still? was it overpowered before? :o |
| 12:32.11 | sancus | yes |
| 12:33.37 | sancus | shadow priests do almost as much damage as mages at the same gear level(more damage than frost mages), plus grant 5% of that damage dealt to the group as mana and now grant 25% instead of 30% as heals, which is not much of a nerf |
| 12:33.53 | sancus | the it-can't-crit-anymore thing is a bigger nerf, but it's still very very good |
| 12:34.14 | Corrodias | it doesn't sound like they do as much damage as mages |
| 12:34.29 | sancus | doesn't sound from what? math's been done |
| 12:34.36 | Corrodias | from the thread |
| 12:34.57 | sancus | you aren't going to find useful info on how much damage a shadow priest does on the wow forums |
| 12:35.49 | sancus | unfortunately shadowpriest wiki is down so I cant link that |
| 12:37.43 | sancus | their dps is above frost mages and within 5-10% of the best fire-based builds |
| 12:40.08 | Corrodias | hm |
| 12:40.39 | Corrodias | well, with the threat reduction talent nerf, now what? |
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| 12:56.37 | Kirkburn|afk | The next patch is 2.0.10 ... |
| 12:56.59 | Corrodias | maybe it -is- just a bad joke |
| 12:57.14 | Kirkburn|afk | So many minor patches :( |
| 12:57.29 | Kirkburn|afk | If it's not been posted already, patch notes are here - http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/patchnotes/test-realm-patchnotes.html |
| 12:58.28 | Kirkburn|afk | I bet we'll then get 2.0.10 to 2.1.0, nice and simple ^^ |
| 12:59.02 | Kirkburn|afk | Oh god, wait, I bet there are going to be conversations about what comes after 2.0.9 again |
| 13:00.05 | Corrodias | there is no 2.0.9 |
| 13:00.13 | Corrodias | see, they thought ahead |
| 13:01.06 | Kirkburn|afk | Nerf droods, finally |
| 13:01.54 | Corrodias | i rather liked having viable tanks other than warriors. they can't hold aggro, now. we didn't need -damage-, except that it was the only way to generate threat |
| 13:01.58 | Kirkburn|afk | There are a lot of 'nerfs', but they're not huge |
| 13:02.00 | sancus | Corrodias: They're going to have threat problems which will reduce their dps on most fights below the OP level it was at before |
| 13:02.43 | Kirkburn|afk | Are you certain they won't be able to hold aggro? |
| 13:02.52 | Kirkburn|afk | Surely it needs testing to see |
| 13:03.06 | Kirkburn|afk | (and yes, I liked having druid tanks) |
| 13:03.10 | Corrodias | can't be certain. i wouldn't be able to tell, as i haven't been playing it. this is just what they say. |
| 13:03.10 | sancus | if they can't hold aggro, they'll just up the base threat on the abilities |
| 13:03.24 | sancus | bear form damage was silly |
| 13:03.51 | Kirkburn|afk | What effect will the +health to +stam change have? |
| 13:04.02 | sancus | minimal |
| 13:04.03 | Corrodias | a small reduction in health |
| 13:04.11 | sancus | reduced the better your gear gets also |
| 13:04.14 | Corrodias | same for armor |
| 13:04.29 | sancus | those changes are to make gear more important |
| 13:04.46 | Corrodias | and here i thought druids were very gear-dependent already |
| 13:04.52 | sancus | not really |
| 13:04.55 | Kirkburn|afk | Interesting, my warlock will be critting more now |
| 13:04.55 | sancus | maxing mitigation in blues? lol |
| 13:05.21 | Corrodias | i dunno... my little druid only had 9k armor |
| 13:05.33 | Kirkburn|afk | Ooh, warriors got some nice buffs |
| 13:05.43 | sancus | your druid in greens at level 60 or something? |
| 13:06.01 | Corrodias | no, mostly blue at level 70 |
| 13:06.30 | Kirkburn|afk | "The cost of sockets in high end items has been adjusted slightly, the result is that most high end epic items should see an increase in stats." |
| 13:07.19 | sancus | then you're in the wrong blues |
| 13:07.26 | sancus | the druid that posted on the druid forum is in all blues and had 21k armor |
| 13:07.29 | sancus | pre-patch |
| 13:07.30 | Corrodias | hahah, possibly |
| 13:07.37 | sancus | blues/greens |
| 13:07.55 | sancus | which is absurd |
| 13:08.03 | Corrodias | i'm still working on gathering feral gear. i only changed a couple of days ago so i could help ease the shortage of tanks we have |
| 13:09.09 | Corrodias | i've been choosing feral items from these quest rewards when possible, but i suppose that's nothing compared to what i'd get in instances if i could, in fact, get into instances |
| 13:13.21 | Corrodias | i do hope i'll still be able to be useful to the guild in that respect, whatever result the changes have |
| 13:13.38 | Corrodias | although when i say "still", i mean "still eventually once i have the gear" |
| 13:15.12 | Corrodias | i can't really test it out on the PTR because my gear isn't very good yet, anyway |
| 13:15.38 | [dRaCo] | get the heavy clefthoof set from a leatherworker... it's pretty useful |
| 13:16.14 | [dRaCo] | good enough to tank all normal instances and karazhan |
| 13:16.16 | Corrodias | i am in the middle of farming clefthoof leather, indeed |
| 13:16.22 | Corrodias | but that's only 3 pieces of armor |
| 13:16.38 | [dRaCo] | yeah... and farming clefthoofs sucks, I know ^^ |
| 13:16.52 | Corrodias | actually, it's not bad at all with this new cat power that i didn't have before |
| 13:27.27 | [dRaCo] | Clefthoofs aren't hard, they just suck... bad drop ratio, crap loot all the time |
| 13:28.16 | Corrodias | the skinning ratio for leathers is higher than it was for fel hides for the fel leather st |
| 13:28.18 | Corrodias | *set |
| 13:28.53 | Corrodias | something like 30% rather than 15% |
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| 13:50.43 | Corrodias | i cannot help but wonder, at this point, what someone named Jocco_S could want in a channel like this. |
| 13:51.03 | Jocco_S | ? |
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| 14:04.17 | Corrodias | how sad, though, that with the bear form damage nerf, i won't be able to solo that stratholme boss with the key |
| 14:04.26 | Corrodias | as i had been hoping |
| 14:04.43 | Corrodias | *weep* |
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| 14:10.34 | nevcairiel | do it before the nerf? |
| 14:10.36 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 14:10.56 | Corrodias | my gear isn't good enough, yet |
| 14:11.07 | Corrodias | it's possible that it will improve in time, but it's possible that it won't |
| 14:11.42 | Corrodias | i don't actually mind the loss of damage if threat can keep up enough for tanking anyway |
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| 15:24.07 | Corrodias | http://achewood.com/index.php?date=04032006 |
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| 15:38.43 | mahiro | how can i hide a secure frame in combat without UnregisterUnitWatch()? |
| 15:39.02 | cogwheel | you don't. That's the whole point of secure frames. |
| 15:39.44 | mahiro | so if the target has no mana/rage/energy im not able to hide that frame? |
| 15:39.52 | cogwheel | that's a very no-no |
| 15:40.03 | cogwheel | you should read the stickies on the UI & Macros forum |
| 15:40.21 | mahiro | that sucks:/ |
| 15:40.53 | Corrodias | no, it's very cool |
| 15:41.07 | Corrodias | one-button players = bad |
| 15:41.12 | cogwheel | that's the whole reason they made the secure template system... to prevent things like that. You could hide it if it /wasn't/ a protected frame, or you can hide it using SecureAnchor____Templates under certain controled conditions |
| 15:41.30 | cogwheel | s/controled/controlled/ |
| 15:41.52 | mahiro | hmm |
| 15:42.10 | cogwheel | (things like button clicks, mouse enter/leave, etc.) |
| 15:42.24 | mahiro | just an idea but is it possible to set the alpha to 0 ? |
| 15:42.35 | cogwheel | yep. you can change the /appearance/ all you want |
| 15:42.44 | cogwheel | but it'll still be there clickable |
| 15:42.45 | mahiro | ok, that should do it |
| 15:42.50 | mahiro | thx |
| 15:51.34 | Kindari | how do saved variables work? |
| 15:51.49 | Kindari | do they just pull on load like you wrote them in the lua? |
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| 15:52.35 | cogwheel | They don't get loaded until the VARIABLES_LOADED event |
| 15:53.05 | cogwheel | so you can make a default SV table in your OnLoad and it will be overwritten when the SV is loaded or left alone if it doesn't exist yet |
| 15:54.14 | Kindari | because variables loaded doesnt' happen until after your addon loads right? |
| 15:54.20 | cogwheel | yep |
| 15:54.41 | cogwheel | http://www.wowwiki.com/Events_that_fire_during_the_Loading_Process |
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| 16:14.47 | Rophy | anyone know if there is any way to get the list of the current local variables in lua, like.... a local version of _G? |
| 16:15.52 | cogwheel | I don't think that's possible. Locals are compiled entirely differently than globals. |
| 16:16.10 | cogwheel | They're stored directly on Lua's stack |
| 16:16.17 | cogwheel | you might ask in #lua though... I could be mistaken |
| 16:16.28 | Rophy | irc it's something like locals=stack and globals=table, so thats not possible? |
| 16:16.42 | cogwheel | afaik, yes |
| 16:16.57 | Kaso | isnt getfenv() something like what he wants? |
| 16:17.19 | Kaso | or am i miss reading |
| 16:17.22 | Rophy | i tried getfenv but doesn't work |
| 16:17.52 | cogwheel | Kaso: that fenv is basically changing _G so globals are in a different scope |
| 16:17.53 | Neuro_Medivh | cogwheel, you're a warrior: If you cast spell reflection, then unequip the shield, does the spell reflection icon disappear> |
| 16:17.56 | Neuro_Medivh | ? |
| 16:18.05 | cogwheel | never used spell reflection XD |
| 16:18.09 | cogwheel | just hit 66 the other day |
| 16:18.18 | Neuro_Medivh | good lord, you slacker |
| 16:18.19 | [dRaCo] | spell reflection is pretty cool |
| 16:18.25 | Neuro_Medivh | I already have a 70 ally shaman |
| 16:18.44 | Neuro_Medivh | granted, now shaman suck at pvp, so I'm disappointed |
| 16:18.46 | cogwheel | I prefer not to burn myself out :P |
| 16:18.57 | cogwheel | took me 11 months to get my first 60 |
| 16:18.59 | [dRaCo] | nuking Rift Lords in CoT with their own Pyroblast is so much fun ^^ |
| 16:19.10 | Neuro_Medivh | draco, then maybe you can answer my Q |
| 16:19.28 | [dRaCo] | sorry, got no warrior myself ;) |
| 16:19.31 | Neuro_Medivh | ahh |
| 16:19.53 | Corrodias | i don't think i could handle the responsibility of being a main tank |
| 16:20.19 | Corrodias | healing i love, but even then i have to fight to concentrate enough to be a main healer |
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| 16:21.07 | cogwheel | hi Cairenn |
| 16:21.19 | Cairenn | hi |
| 16:23.19 | Neuro_Medivh | morning Cairenn, feeling better? |
| 16:23.35 | Cairenn | a bit, still really sore though |
| 16:23.44 | cogwheel | O.O what happened? |
| 16:24.05 | Cairenn | 4-car accident about 1:30pm my time yesterday |
| 16:24.30 | cogwheel | yeesh... glad you're alright |
| 16:24.35 | Cairenn | me too |
| 16:24.49 | cogwheel | i've been in a couple nasty wrecks myself, one on the freeway. (none my fault :P ) |
| 16:25.18 | cogwheel | totalled 2 cars so far |
| 16:25.34 | Cairenn | car accidents suck |
| 16:25.35 | Neuro_Medivh | Cairenn, was it close to your house? |
| 16:25.41 | Cairenn | 4 blocks |
| 16:25.46 | Cairenn | or so |
| 16:25.59 | Neuro_Medivh | Statistically, all accidents happen within 2 miles of your house |
| 16:26.05 | Neuro_Medivh | well, 90% |
| 16:26.11 | Neuro_Medivh | so I'd move if I were you |
| 16:26.16 | Cairenn | :p |
| 16:26.33 | cogwheel | heh... mine were at least 5 at most a couple hundred miles away |
| 16:27.28 | Neuro_Medivh | heheh, it's just one of those bullshit statistics people like to throw out there. It's because 90% of most people's driving is within 2 miles of their own home |
| 16:27.36 | Cairenn | Neuro_Medivh: that joke is so old that it has mold on it |
| 16:27.53 | Neuro_Medivh | that's why it's so cheesy |
| 16:28.22 | Neuro_Medivh | Get it??? Cheese, mold... bah, that's funny |
| 16:29.01 | cogwheel | Neuro_Medivh: you made me bleu |
| 16:29.13 | cogwheel | ~rimshot |
| 16:29.18 | purl | ch-ch-chhh |
| 16:29.20 | Neuro_Medivh | ahh, I'm being punished |
| 16:30.05 | cogwheel | My friend made some punch for a party he threw... it was a real hit |
| 16:31.02 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:32.01 | Neuro_Medivh | I think Cairenn is feta up with our jokes |
| 16:32.17 | Neuro_Medivh | they are starting to grate on her |
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| 16:33.10 | cogwheel | Well, anyway, I do seem to have the worst luck with car accidents. My first one was 5 days after I took ownership of the car. On the way back from tahoe, we were on the freeway. An SUV lost control and ended up driving straight across the lanes in front of us. Luckily they were going toward the median so it knocked both of us off out of the lanes. |
| 16:34.32 | cogwheel | 2 years later, almost to the day, (we had a house fire the year in between) I turned left in front of stopped traffic and someone was passing on the right in the shoulder at about 55mph (very illegal) |
| 16:35.32 | cogwheel | Then, about a year after that, the light turned green, I entered the intersection, and so did a blond soccer mom in an SUV talking on her cell phone... |
| 16:36.08 | cogwheel | (my first fender-bender... the other two were totals) |
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| 16:37.25 | cogwheel | A few months later, I was stopped waiting to turn right and another car was stopped behind me. I creeped forward a bit to see around the car to my left and the car behind me creeped a bit further than me... |
| 16:38.53 | cogwheel | And then this last christmas we were driving home and a car lost control and drove off a short cliff right in front of us... luckily we weren't "involved", but we stopped and called 911 and made sure they didn't do anything stupid and panicky... |
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| 16:41.14 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 16:42.51 | Corrodias | i will sleep for a little while now, i think. |
| 16:42.58 | Cairenn | night Corrodias |
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| 16:58.20 | Cairenn | Honestly though, I'm surprised you guys didn't discover it yesterday afternoon/last night, since the thread it's mentioned in is one I figured everyone in this channel would have a bit to say in |
| 16:58.35 | JoshBorke | are you doing ok Cairenn? not hurt right? |
| 16:58.39 | JoshBorke | purl, hug Cairenn |
| 16:58.40 | purl | ACTION jumps into Cairenn's lap and huggles and *hugs* Cairenn |
| 16:59.08 | Cairenn | I don't hurt as bad today as I did yesterday, so hopefully... |
| 16:59.48 | JoshBorke | :( well, get better soon :) |
| 16:59.51 | JoshBorke | ta ta for now :) |
| 17:00.54 | Cide | another 500 potions down the drain... |
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| 17:17.01 | KarlThePagan | OMG ROGUES AND MAGES AREN'T WINNING TEH ARENAZ NERF EVERYTHING |
| 17:17.03 | KarlThePagan | that is all... |
| 17:17.05 | Nom- | Evening |
| 17:17.23 | Nom- | Anyone else noticed that wowhead/thottbot/allakhazam don't pick up the newish +healing stat ? |
| 17:17.35 | Kaso | How do you mean |
| 17:17.49 | Nom- | You can't search on it |
| 17:18.34 | Nom- | ah actually |
| 17:18.34 | Nom- | i bet it's just because it's a random stat item |
| 17:18.34 | Nom- | Liek XXX of Healing |
| 17:18.34 | KarlThePagan | of the Medic etc |
| 17:18.36 | KarlThePagan | or w/e |
| 17:18.38 | KarlThePagan | Pysician |
| 17:18.59 | KarlThePagan | items made for peole who never got into MC/BWL |
| 17:19.06 | KarlThePagan | (and alts lol) |
| 17:19.22 | Nom- | and people who are still grinding lol |
| 17:19.34 | Nom- | I've got +600 healing thanks to those lol |
| 17:19.52 | Nom- | at level 65 |
| 17:20.10 | Nom- | http://www.thottbot.com/?n=736808 |
| 17:20.19 | Nom- | gloves like that don't come up in the search |
| 17:20.26 | KarlThePagan | they're pretty nice |
| 17:20.33 | Nom- | is that just because they don't count those items as real items? :/ |
| 17:20.55 | KarlThePagan | wowhead doesn't? they have pseudo-entries for all the of the X items |
| 17:21.06 | KarlThePagan | probably needs a more complex database model |
| 17:21.09 | Nom- | I think I just tried them |
| 17:21.14 | Nom- | no wait i didn't |
| 17:21.16 | Nom- | *tries* |
| 17:21.28 | Nom- | oh yeah i did search there |
| 17:21.33 | Nom- | just looked differnet for a minute |
| 17:23.03 | Nom- | of the Physician looks good |
| 17:23.21 | Nom- | I wonder if any plate has dropped with that suffix, and whether the +healing is any good :/ |
| 17:25.20 | [dRaCo] | there are plate items of the physician |
| 17:25.56 | Nom- | yeah i mean on my server, have to check the ah later i guess |
| 17:27.06 | Nom- | Invoker/Mind gear would rather pwn for my mage too |
| 17:27.07 | Nom- | interesting |
| 17:27.32 | Nom- | ok well ima get some sleep before i collapse |
| 17:27.37 | Nom- | catchas a little later |
| 17:30.54 | Neuro_Medivh | I seriously don't understand how people can stand to level ally characters... lvl 14, and I'm out of quests in both Westfall AND loch modan |
| 17:35.12 | zenzelezz | there are dry spots |
| 17:35.25 | zenzelezz | could try Darkshore |
| 17:36.11 | Neuro_Medivh | if I have to go all the way to darkshore, I'd rather just go to Bloodmyst |
| 17:36.17 | Neuro_Medivh | at least there I know I won't run out till 20 |
| 17:36.28 | zenzelezz | good point |
| 17:36.38 | Kindari | you aren't questing right if you're "out" of quests... i had plenty to do al the way up to lvl 50 |
| 17:36.40 | Neuro_Medivh | sigh, Barrens is SO much better than ally low lvl zones, even with the obnoxious chat |
| 17:36.54 | Neuro_Medivh | Ok, how am I not questing "right" |
| 17:36.56 | zenzelezz | and the 10-minute corpse runs |
| 17:37.00 | Neuro_Medivh | am I being too efficient? |
| 17:37.24 | Kindari | i suppose - i level like mad from turning in lowbie quests, are you sure you didn't skip like half of them early on? |
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| 17:37.45 | Neuro_Medivh | Yes |
| 17:38.20 | Neuro_Medivh | The problem, especially in Westfall, is twofold. There just aren't enough quests, and the chains ramp up far too quickly |
| 17:38.30 | Neuro_Medivh | they go from lvl 14 to lvl 17 in one step |
| 17:38.32 | Kindari | go to redridge |
| 17:38.41 | Neuro_Medivh | I'm 14, there's NOTHING in redridge my level |
| 17:38.44 | Kindari | quests from lvl 15 - 25 or so there |
| 17:38.54 | Neuro_Medivh | No, the lowest redridge quest is 17 |
| 17:39.01 | Kindari | not true |
| 17:40.41 | Neuro_Medivh | wait, you're right. There's all those 100xp fedex quests I could do! |
| 17:41.15 | Neuro_Medivh | Here, go give some flowers to my boyfriend. Now run back to get your 100xp |
| 17:42.04 | zenzelezz | the fact that you don't like a quest doesn't mean it doesn't exist |
| 17:53.13 | qw` | just grind man. Grind. |
| 17:53.49 | qw` | Actually, I think the alliance quests and start areas are better sewn together than the horde ones |
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| 18:23.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | arghhh no longer happy with the game, hope the whining warriors on the forums are happy :/ |
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| 18:56.50 | Garoun | already mentioned that last nightRAbies |
| 18:57.01 | Garoun | go go -50% dps in tank formnerf :) |
| 18:57.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah i'm awake and no less pissed off |
| 18:57.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | i wouldn't mind a dps nerf if dps wasn't our sole way of getting threat |
| 18:57.54 | Garoun | it should have been 25% reduction while warriors got 10-15% increase |
| 18:58.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | they nerfed maul and swipe's threat multipler a while back |
| 18:58.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | which means we no longer have a way to hold aggro |
| 18:58.20 | Garoun | and they completely neutered Idol of Bruitality |
| 18:58.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | i didn't use it anyway |
| 18:58.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | it was a waste |
| 18:58.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | most idols are anyway |
| 18:58.43 | Garoun | it's a definate waste now |
| 18:58.51 | Garoun | taken from 50 bonus to 10 |
| 18:59.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | idols are pretty much a "well, it dropped, may as well use it" |
| 18:59.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | kinda thing |
| 18:59.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'd rather have the ability to use bows/wands but not be able to fire them |
| 18:59.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | or nothing at all, no attempt at it is better than this half-assed attempt :x |
| 19:00.03 | Garoun | or ability to drin again :) |
| 19:00.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't really have a problem with us getting our DPS nerfed in bear, if they gave us our threat modifiers back |
| 19:00.56 | Garoun | it doesn't go well forour guildconsidering I'm our main tank, we have no other 70s tanks |
| 19:01.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | and also made Savage Fury say "Increases Damage done by Claw, Rake, and Mangle by 20%. In addition, threat by Maul and Swipe Increased by 20% |
| 19:01.54 | Garoun | instead they tookSavage Fury back to a cat ability |
| 19:02.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | too bad it's likely gonna be useless for eternity now |
| 19:02.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | I'm likely canceling when this goes live, and will resume if they ever take their heads out of the whiners' asses |
| 19:04.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | my server will miss me, but alas, i played something that wasn't fun for long enough, then got to enjoy it, and then got that ripped out from under us |
| 19:05.37 | Garoun | I'm holding on to hope that they will at least realize they went a bit too far before itgoes live, but I may die from suffocation first |
| 19:05.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've lost hope with that for a while |
| 19:06.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | i expect the worst, if i get better, i'll be happy |
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| 19:06.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | but expecting the worst generally means i'll get exactly what i expected |
| 19:07.39 | Garoun | it's essentially blizzard saying, "Druids, you will either be MOONKIN caster, cat dpser, or healbot... stop trying to tank" |
| 19:09.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | we're worse tanks now than we were in 1.9 |
| 19:09.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | by far |
| 19:10.02 | qw` | would you call a stun a moving impairing effect? |
| 19:10.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | our mitigation is lower, our health is roughly the same, and our aggro is waaaay nerfed |
| 19:10.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | nope, qw |
| 19:10.23 | qw` | but it impairs my movement =/ |
| 19:10.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | also your casting |
| 19:11.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | movement imparing means just movement impairing |
| 19:11.29 | qw` | but but misleading! |
| 19:11.42 | qw` | I thought my blessing of freedom would protect me against stuns |
| 19:11.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | we tried to tell paladins that about judgement of justice |
| 19:12.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | and it's not even a stun |
| 19:12.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's a movement impairing effect to those that move faster than 100% |
| 19:13.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | you wouldn't want stuns to be considered a movement impairing effect, trust me :p that's a slippery slope |
| 19:13.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | druids would be able to shift out of your HoJ and travel form away |
| 19:14.05 | qw` | but but |
| 19:14.09 | qw` | =/ |
| 19:14.17 | qw` | I see your point |
| 19:14.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | movement impairing means roots, basically |
| 19:14.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | anything that roots you in place or snares you |
| 19:14.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | anything that impairs your movement and only your movement |
| 19:15.12 | qw` | Yeah I understand now, but it's a bit misleading |
| 19:15.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | in other news avenger's shield's considered a movement impairing effect now |
| 19:15.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm guessing that was a bug |
| 19:15.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | because it's obviously one, but the only player MIE that was unremovable by any class other than dispelling it |
| 19:16.25 | qw` | MIE? |
| 19:16.27 | qw` | ah |
| 19:16.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | well, except JoJ, but that one's arguable i guess since it locks you to 100% move speed |
| 19:16.29 | qw` | never mind |
| 19:16.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | too lazy to type it out |
| 19:16.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | lol |
| 19:17.58 | Garoun | I still can't believe moonkins have the same AF bonus as dire bears... that just seems... odd |
| 19:18.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | they did pre 2.0 |
| 19:18.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | the thing is |
| 19:18.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | most of the caster gear has abysmal armor |
| 19:18.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | most moonkins will have ~shaman armor |
| 19:18.44 | qw` | by the way, is it now possible to create my bar mod? http://home.nith.no/~flimat/qbar/QBar-proposal.htm |
| 19:19.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | that hurts my brain qw` |
| 19:22.14 | qw` | It's awesome |
| 19:23.51 | qw` | Too bad no one sees the potential in this system, and I lack the skill and / or dedication to make it |
| 19:25.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | you should make a mockup in animated .gif form or something |
| 19:25.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | so that we can understand :p |
| 19:25.27 | qw` | I wrote that thing so that you could understand :P |
| 19:25.39 | qw` | I tried explaining everyone and you all looked at me like completed quests |
| 19:25.55 | qw` | *everything |
| 19:27.19 | qw` | to sum it up: 50 buttons easily accessible with nine buttons, all adressable under a second |
| 19:27.26 | qw` | how can that fail |
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| 19:36.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | how is it any different than binding the different action button pages to different keys? |
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| 21:05.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenCola |
| 21:05.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | Open...Source...cola? |
| 21:07.14 | Cide | I'm going to make a shared library cola |
| 21:12.56 | zenzelezz | tastes like communism |
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| 21:14.24 | qw` | Mr_Rabies - It's different because I want to change multiple action pages with one key |
| 21:14.29 | qw` | and have dynamic key bindings |
| 21:14.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | there's addons that change the multi bars when the main one changes i think |
| 21:15.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | i dunno |
| 21:16.35 | qw` | I don't think they support dynamic keybindings |
| 21:17.42 | AnduinLothar | So, we're trying to rename the "User Skill" difficulty/option level in Khaos. Anyone got any suggestions? |
| 21:18.11 | AnduinLothar | Possibly going down to two levels, beginner and advanced, since those seem to be our only two vocal user groups |
| 21:18.12 | Kaso | Noobness |
| 21:18.27 | AnduinLothar | just need a name for the menu that makes it obvious what it is |
| 21:18.52 | Cide | go with something smooth and professional... maybe "suxiness"? |
| 21:19.12 | Cide | well, that might imply a scale of how much the mods suck and not the user.. hmm! |
| 21:19.36 | AnduinLothar | suggestions were things like Khaos User Skill, Options Level etc |
| 21:19.44 | AnduinLothar | but i haven't found one i really like |
| 21:20.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | you could just have an Advanced Preferences checkbox |
| 21:20.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | like VLC, etc do, that sets the user skill to max in the code or whatever |
| 21:20.43 | AnduinLothar | Enable Advanced Options, perhaps? |
| 21:20.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah |
| 21:21.22 | AnduinLothar | ok, that works |
| 21:21.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | just a suggestion, most people would understand that pretty well |
| 21:21.48 | AnduinLothar | yeah and it's possible now if there's only 2 skill levels |
| 21:22.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's how VLC does it |
| 21:22.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | [ ] Advanced Options |
| 21:22.53 | AnduinLothar | think i need the "Enable" ? |
| 21:22.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | something like that sounds like a simple way to get it across |
| 21:23.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | either way, i doubt it really matters, whatever sounds best to you :p |
| 21:23.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | most people that should be messing with it would understand it |
| 21:24.28 | AnduinLothar | think it shoudl go int hat place where the current menu is? |
| 21:24.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | and i'm glad you merged release and Alpha, makes things so much easier :p |
| 21:24.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | probably, or down at the bottom if there's room, i dunno |
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| 21:25.27 | Kaso | hmm i hear Magtheridon is down by nilihum |
| 21:28.58 | Kindari | can you use - in variables in lua? |
| 21:30.15 | Shadowed | Kaso: Whats world of raids say? |
| 21:30.37 | Kaso | i dont read that site |
| 21:30.46 | Kaso | saw the killshot posted on something awful |
| 21:31.03 | Kaso | also info is now up on nil's site |
| 21:31.45 | Shadowed | it is? |
| 21:31.47 | nuoHep | http://www.nihilum.co.uk/image/752/ |
| 21:31.47 | qw` | Mr_Rabies - what about "Dazed" |
| 21:31.47 | qw` | Mr_Rabies - that's a MIE right? |
| 21:31.47 | Kaso | Kindari No you cannot use dash in variables |
| 21:31.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | mob dazed is different |
| 21:32.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | nothing can break it |
| 21:32.13 | Kaso | though i guess you could do _G["-"]=something but what used that'd have im not sure as you could not access it |
| 21:32.20 | qw` | but I'm supposed to be immune to that kind of stuff |
| 21:32.36 | qw` | hrmpft. |
| 21:37.45 | zenzelezz | the Dazed from my SHield Bash has no type, don't know if that matters |
| 21:39.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | player dazed is different than mob dazed |
| 21:39.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | player dazed is just another way to say snare |
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| 21:40.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | whereas the "Dazed" spell that mobs have a chance on hit to do is unbreakable by anything, including invulnerability |
| 21:41.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | it was put in because in beta you could pretty much run from any mob in the game |
| 21:41.32 | Kaso | but however you cant be dazed in the first place if you are invunrible to damage |
| 21:41.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | it forces you to stay and fight or have a harder time |
| 21:41.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | right |
| 21:41.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | or absorbing damage |
| 21:42.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | you have to actually take damage to be dazed |
| 21:42.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | melee damage too, from behind |
| 21:42.28 | Kaso | mmhm thats why i <3 PW:S |
| 21:42.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | i just travel form and hope it doesn't reapply :[ |
| 21:43.06 | bleetah | WoW Winers: Rejoice! Blizz have announced that the PTR is a badpatch, insofar as some Mac users also see corruption as well and it'll be fixed in the next build. |
| 21:43.30 | Kaso | ah nice |
| 21:43.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | i was gonna tell you that bleetah |
| 21:43.56 | Kaso | wait, so theyre still going to push 2.0.10 with the error? |
| 21:44.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | but i forgot |
| 21:44.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | they'll probably fix it in the next build of the ptr |
| 21:44.14 | bleetah | nah, there's gunna be another 2.0.10 PTR build |
| 21:44.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's the point of the ptr :p |
| 21:44.16 | Kindari | what error |
| 21:44.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | action buttons being blacked out |
| 21:44.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | in the Wine and Mac clients, apparently |
| 21:44.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | well |
| 21:44.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | Mac client and Windows client using wine |
| 21:45.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | right? |
| 21:45.09 | bleetah | it's an OpenGL problem with multi-threaded rendering.. somehow |
| 21:45.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | probably just opengl in general |
| 21:45.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah |
| 21:45.29 | bleetah | looks like this -> http://www.bleeter.org/wow/WoWScrnShot_022407_150016.png |
| 21:45.36 | bleetah | (sorry for the slow link) |
| 21:47.51 | bleetah | it's 'funny' that Blizz didn't reply to the first report of the problem, as it was on Linux |
| 21:47.51 | Kindari | it appears the dash in a variable as working okay |
| 21:47.51 | Kaso | has anyone tried using windows in opengl mode? |
| 21:48.08 | haste | bleetah: tried running repair.exe? |
| 21:48.29 | haste | oh wait |
| 21:48.37 | haste | I should read more, and answer less :( |
| 21:48.41 | bleetah | Kaso: there's a post on the forum thread I started from someone who got the problem on Mac PPC, Mac Intel, Wine, but couldn't get it happening in Windows |
| 21:48.56 | bleetah | (ie, couldn't get it to error the same on Windows) |
| 21:49.02 | Cide | bleetah: that screenshot is horribly slow! |
| 21:49.02 | Kaso | interesting |
| 21:49.13 | bleetah | well, it is on a 128k link! :-P |
| 21:49.26 | bleetah | just couldn't be stuffed uploading it anywhere hehe |
| 21:52.23 | Cide | nice spell icons :) |
| 21:53.02 | bleetah | yar.. you can prolly understand why, before the Mac users got the same problem, us WoW Winers were shittin' ourselves ;) |
| 21:53.24 | bleetah | sure, there was a workaround, but we didn't like it :) |
| 21:53.29 | Cide | cave in and get windows already! |
| 21:54.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | whats the flag to run in opengl? |
| 21:54.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | -ogl? |
| 21:54.33 | bleetah | Cide: /dev/hda1 41G 30G 11G 73% /mnt/ntfs |
| 21:54.34 | Cide | haven't tried it in wow, but it's -opengl in a lot of games |
| 21:54.39 | bleetah | Mr_Rabies2: -opengl |
| 21:54.59 | Cide | bleetah: windows isn't that big! |
| 21:55.15 | bleetah | Cide: WoW and various Valve games are :P |
| 21:55.21 | Cide | I suppose! |
| 21:55.35 | Cide | if only wow was aced... /me bonks self |
| 21:55.48 | bleetah | anyways, why are you talkin' instead of makin' me a coffee... |
| 21:56.09 | Cide | taking a break from this database diagram |
| 21:56.39 | bleetah | ugh, DB designs... I'm gunna run away now that you mentioned that :-P |
| 21:57.05 | Cide | go for it :) |
| 21:57.06 | Kaso | bleetah do you have a link to the thread you spoke of, the bug report |
| 21:57.50 | bleetah | Kaso: http://bugs.winehq.org/process_bug.cgi http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=77597487&sid=1 http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=79168668&sid=1 |
| 21:58.07 | bleetah | My original Wine bug report, my original WoW report, and the Blue response to the Mac users |
| 21:58.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm getting it in opengl, bleetah |
| 21:58.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's frightening |
| 21:59.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's like, well, you have your backpack, an open bag slot, and two scary broken NES games |
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| 22:00.36 | Kaso | opengl whilst in windows? |
| 22:00.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | yar |
| 22:00.59 | Kaso | So blizzard just buggered up their opengl implementation then i guess |
| 22:01.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | nvidia video card if that matters |
| 22:02.35 | Kirov | Anyone know if there's an addon out there that calculates how item stats will effect your character stats? |
| 22:03.12 | wobin | okies |
| 22:03.22 | wobin | Anyone know how to use securestate headers and buttons? |
| 22:05.39 | wobin | oh wow, that was a bit snarky, Cide =P |
| 22:05.47 | wobin | If only you were aced =P |
| 22:06.20 | bleetah | meh, everyone just *knows* that to be Bleeted, stuff would only take up about 2 bytes |
| 22:06.30 | bleetah | *if stuff were to be... |
| 22:06.41 | bleetah | gah, I'm *so* not awake, screwed up my own lame one liner |
| 22:06.44 | Cide | wobin: lies! |
| 22:06.45 | wobin | 0 and 1? |
| 22:06.59 | bleetah | wobin: start; end; |
| 22:07.05 | wobin | noop noop |
| 22:07.36 | wobin | If everything was wobbed, I'd be wich. |
| 22:13.10 | nymbia | TERRIBLE! ;) |
| 22:13.54 | wobin | ^^ |
| 22:14.11 | nymbia | oh wobin, feature request for waypoints: option to EnableMouse(false) the frame |
| 22:14.22 | wobin | to lock it into place? |
| 22:14.32 | nymbia | to not eat mouse clicks |
| 22:14.38 | wobin | aha |
| 22:14.46 | wobin | what about the menu options? |
| 22:14.51 | wobin | the rightclick ones |
| 22:16.11 | nymbia | hmm.. well, i guess if i needed em i could turn off the option -- but i guess people would want to be able to access them easily |
| 22:17.30 | wobin | hehe I could put in a 'travelstate' |
| 22:17.57 | wobin | actually that would be too complex =P |
| 22:18.05 | nymbia | haha yeah |
| 22:18.35 | wobin | maybe enablemouse = false in comabt? |
| 22:18.48 | wobin | but then you couldn't drag it out of the way if needed |
| 22:18.56 | wobin | (but then you can't drag it out of the way anyway) |
| 22:19.03 | nymbia | haha yeah |
| 22:19.18 | wobin | it's cause it's getting in the way of combat, right? |
| 22:19.36 | nymbia | yeah |
| 22:19.53 | wobin | okies, I'll make it unenabled in combat |
| 22:19.56 | nymbia | maybe an option to lock it |
| 22:20.12 | wobin | aye |
| 22:20.12 | nymbia | and if it's locked, enablemouse(false) it in combat |
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| 22:20.36 | wobin | can you move it in combat anyway? |
| 22:20.44 | wobin | Or is frame position not locked down |
| 22:21.32 | nymbia | pretty sure you can move it. let me run and check real quick |
| 22:22.34 | nymbia | yeah you can |
| 22:23.23 | wobin | hokies |
| 22:23.45 | AnduinLothar | DO IT, YE PANSY! |
| 22:23.50 | nymbia | oh also, ctrl-rightclick -> set as waypoint throws an error when you're on a continent map |
| 22:24.10 | nymbia | want a stack? |
| 22:28.19 | wobin | hm |
| 22:28.37 | wobin | I might just check if a continent is showing, and not offer the option at that point |
| 22:30.06 | nymbia | it works if you create a note at the continent level and set it as the waypoint |
| 22:31.39 | wobin | hm |
| 22:31.54 | wobin | currently I'm working off the 'current map' to get the zone |
| 22:32.01 | wobin | but I might go see how the note is being made |
| 22:32.58 | nymbia | it's setting the zone name to what you'd expect from the map name |
| 22:33.04 | nymbia | "Outland" etc |
| 22:35.24 | nymbia | oh, i see. GetCurrentMapZone() returns 0 when on continent maps |
| 22:37.07 | nymbia | maybe use Cartographer:GetCurrentLocalizedZoneName() |
| 22:37.26 | nymbia | or english.. not sure which we're working in ;) |
| 22:38.13 | wobin | yeah, I'll switch to the cart function I think |
| 22:38.32 | bleetah | fwiw, I seem to recall someone mentioning that if you go to the 'universe' map it returns -1, as if you were inside an instance.. or something like that (universe - outlands and azeroth showing) |
| 22:38.56 | bleetah | i stumbled in on tail end of your convo, the last post may not be related, but thought I'd throw it in |
| 22:40.01 | wobin | ^^ |
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| 22:51.20 | Neuro_Medivh | I am amazed my rogue does any dmg at all, nearly every eviscerate he tries gets dodged/parried |
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| 22:54.12 | wobin | 41point talent ftw? |
| 22:54.47 | wobin | isn't there that combat 41point that makes unmissable finishing moves? |
| 22:55.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm pretty sure they can't miss naturally, but they can be dodged/parried |
| 22:55.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | i cant remember though |
| 22:56.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | 41 point combat makes them undodgeable too |
| 22:58.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | surprise buttse-i mean surprise attacks |
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| 23:09.09 | bleetah | FIGJAM! |
| 23:09.12 | bleetah | oops, mt |
| 23:16.40 | bleetah | oh, heya iriel.. there was something I was gunna bug you about.. but can't recall what... too much beer last night ftl! |
| 23:18.30 | bleetah | oh, now i do... nm, it'll be fixed in the next PTR |
| 23:26.22 | wobin | Iriel! |
| 23:26.51 | wobin | SecureState stuff is... mindboggling =P |
| 23:27.15 | wobin | We need a flowchart or something =P There are just too many undocumented variables that are unexplained =) |
| 23:27.23 | wobin | Maybe a diagram with arrows |
| 23:28.33 | wobin | sigh |
| 23:28.37 | Iriel | Undocumented variables? |
| 23:28.42 | Iriel | What did I miss? |
| 23:28.44 | wobin | well... not undocumented |
| 23:29.01 | Iriel | There's extensive comments at the top of the file that /should/ cover everything |
| 23:29.02 | wobin | just... erm... |
| 23:29.12 | wobin | not enough examples =) |
| 23:29.13 | wobin | I guess |
| 23:29.26 | wobin | although it'd be hard to show examples of the complex stuff without complex examples |
| 23:30.19 | wobin | fr'example. I'm trying to do something similar to your pie |
| 23:30.25 | wobin | but have buttons on the ends |
| 23:30.50 | wobin | and I was having huge problems finding an example where you just click an existing button to have the surrounding buttons pop up |
| 23:31.05 | wobin | I finally found one of Marleon's tutes on the boards |
| 23:31.16 | wobin | but he really needs to put them on wowwiki or something =\ |
| 23:31.30 | Iriel | Partlyt the hope was that folks would be creating addons that did the 'complex' things. I did make a bunch of rudimentary examples right when 2.0 came out |
| 23:31.48 | wobin | ^^ |
| 23:31.57 | wobin | It's just so -dense- |
| 23:32.52 | wobin | and none of the documentation is linked to one another very well |
| 23:32.59 | wobin | well, externally anyway |
| 23:33.20 | wobin | ie, without knowing just -where- to look precisely, it's hard to find any information |
| 23:33.35 | wobin | I'm probably missing a tutorial or an addon that explains everything =\ |
| 23:33.36 | Iriel | Well, if you feel ambitious and have ideas on how it should be structured, feel free to start a gentler documentation on the wiki |
| 23:34.05 | Iriel | It's really hard to write into documentation when I keep wanting to explain the details |
| 23:34.06 | wobin | I might do so whilst ongoing on this project |
| 23:34.16 | wobin | ^^ |
| 23:34.29 | wobin | It's where the devil is |
| 23:35.21 | Iriel | There should be some new features in 2.1 |
| 23:36.24 | wobin | Actually I think the main problem with my comprehension is, you've detailed all the options and attributes, but there's nothing obviously linking those attributes to a descriptive example, say "Use delaystatetimemap on a button/header/etc" |
| 23:36.42 | wobin | So I'm never sure where to set the particular attribute |
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| 23:38.14 | wobin | Also, I think I'm confusing what the header -is-. It's essentially (at least in my case) a frame that my central button registers with to make sweeping state changes across the other buttons |
| 23:38.22 | wobin | right? |
| 23:43.05 | wobin | In regard to Slave headers, you say that whenever a headers state changes, it also changes the 'state-parent' property of all it's children to the new state. But how do we use that to change the actual state of the child? |
| 23:47.12 | wobin | I'm just not sure what attributes get queried -when- |
| 23:50.02 | Iriel | The state header is three things, (1) an object that holds the state and manages transitions (2) a controlled agent for making layout and binding changes on state changes and (3) a mechanism to remap buttons going into its children |
| 23:50.32 | Iriel | the slave header thing works just like any external state driver, you specify statemap-parent on the child (or statemaps for each of the parent states, it's up to you) |
| 23:50.42 | Iriel | the simplest one is something like statemap-parent = "$input" |
| 23:50.54 | Iriel | which makes the child take the parent's state each time |
| 23:51.16 | wobin | Direct chaining |
| 23:52.31 | wobin | hm, okay =) |
| 23:59.04 | wobin | I need to find a zone with ambient music conducive to coding =) |
