| 00:00.05 | cladhaire | anything that isn't in your table is new |
| 00:00.06 | cladhaire | fire those events. |
| 00:00.15 | cladhaire | clearing out the old ones is a bit more difficult, but not impossible. |
| 00:00.18 | Sstixrud | I think that is what I am doing now |
| 00:01.03 | Sstixrud | Are you sure this is a big deal? At most I am creating one new and clearing one old one during each AURA event |
| 00:01.08 | Sstixrud | is that going to be a big deal? |
| 00:01.12 | cladhaire | Sstixrud: yes. |
| 00:01.27 | cladhaire | do you know how often UNIT_AURA fires? =) |
| 00:01.33 | Sstixrud | oh yes I do :) |
| 00:01.39 | Sstixrud | it spams my screen :) |
| 00:01.45 | cladhaire | making a new table every single time will generate a minimum of 32 bytes of garbage each event. |
| 00:01.46 | Cide | easily 10-20 times a second |
| 00:01.52 | cladhaire | more if you put stuff into those tables |
| 00:02.04 | cladhaire | 64 bytes if you use it as a dictionary instead of an array |
| 00:03.09 | cladhaire | Do you need to know the count of each? |
| 00:03.16 | Sstixrud | so you would recommend I create a table for every possible Unit in advance, populate into those tables and have some backround routine purge expired entries? I still dont see how I would determine what is expired if I don't copy old table to a new name |
| 00:03.32 | cladhaire | its really quite simple, do you need to know the count of each buff? |
| 00:03.38 | Sstixrud | no |
| 00:04.39 | cladhaire | then keep a count.. when you find a buff, increment the counter |
| 00:05.06 | cladhaire | when you get a UNIT_AURA event, iterate the list of active buffs, and decrement everything |
| 00:05.13 | cladhaire | its not a heavy purging process. |
| 00:05.19 | cladhaire | only create tables when you need to |
| 00:05.22 | cladhaire | and be smart about them |
| 00:05.27 | cladhaire | give me a moment |
| 00:08.11 | Sstixrud | here is what I am doing now |
| 00:08.12 | Sstixrud | http://pastebin.ca/362686 |
| 00:11.02 | cladhaire | Sstixrud: Example: http://pastebin.ca/362689 |
| 00:11.04 | cladhaire | untested, uncompiled. |
| 00:11.25 | cladhaire | its easier if you have a list of buffs you care about |
| 00:11.28 | cladhaire | instead of caring about everything. |
| 00:11.38 | Sstixrud | thanks, could u take a quick look at my pastebin? |
| 00:11.48 | Sstixrud | I gotta care about everything due to te feature set of my addon |
| 00:12.04 | cladhaire | Sstixrud: I dont think you do |
| 00:12.14 | cladhaire | if a user doesn't care about a specifc state, why do you need to watch it? |
| 00:12.32 | cladhaire | Sstixrud: yeah, this table creation would be a problem |
| 00:12.39 | Cide | cladhaire: I think you want a loop instead of do ... end? |
| 00:12.46 | cladhaire | Cide: Why? |
| 00:12.47 | Sstixrud | I have target buttons, player, party and raid buttons. Any castable buff, debuff and heals I gotta track |
| 00:12.51 | cladhaire | Cide: they should both work |
| 00:12.53 | Kirkburn|afk | I just did I level 8 horde quest |
| 00:13.03 | cladhaire | and mine isn't limited by the mythical max buffs/debuffs limit =) |
| 00:13.12 | Kirkburn|afk | Thing is ... I'm Alliance |
| 00:13.17 | cladhaire | lol |
| 00:13.29 | Kirkburn|afk | Hey, awesome, Ratchet rep :P |
| 00:13.33 | sysrage | is there a way to list all your chat windows? one of mine disappeared. how do i know it's just not hidden or something and not just gone |
| 00:13.37 | Nom- | err |
| 00:13.43 | Nom- | Ratchet quests aren't Horde |
| 00:13.48 | Nom- | It's just no alliance ever does them |
| 00:13.50 | cladhaire | sysrage: It can't be gone |
| 00:13.54 | Cide | cladhaire: maybe I'm tired, but how is that working? |
| 00:13.57 | Kirkburn|afk | It's next to Orgrimmar |
| 00:13.59 | cladhaire | Cide: the i = i + 1 |
| 00:14.01 | Cide | you're only checking UnitBuff(unit, 1) |
| 00:14.02 | sysrage | can't be gone? |
| 00:14.04 | Nom- | So? |
| 00:14.10 | Cide | yeah, but you're not looping, cladhaire |
| 00:14.16 | cladhaire | yes |
| 00:14.18 | cladhaire | it shoudl be while true |
| 00:14.19 | cladhaire | lol |
| 00:14.20 | Kirkburn|afk | I think it's safe to say, no Alliance person would be here at level 8. Or 20. Or even 30. |
| 00:14.21 | cladhaire | my bad =) |
| 00:14.25 | Nom- | It's a neutral town :) |
| 00:14.27 | Cide | thought so :) |
| 00:14.34 | Kirkburn|afk | I'm not in Ratchet! |
| 00:14.34 | Nom- | lol you're kidding Kirkburn|afk ? |
| 00:14.36 | Sstixrud | :) |
| 00:14.43 | cladhaire | http://pastebin.ca/362694 |
| 00:14.46 | Nom- | We see HEAPS of alliance going through Ratchet at sub-30 levels |
| 00:14.48 | Cide | yeah, mythical de/buff limits are nasty |
| 00:14.49 | Nom- | On a PVP Server |
| 00:14.53 | Kirkburn|afk | I'm not in Ratchet! |
| 00:15.06 | Nom- | Where, then? |
| 00:15.08 | Kirkburn|afk | I'm about 50 yards south of Orgrimmar |
| 00:15.34 | Kirkburn|afk | =) |
| 00:15.41 | Nom- | Ah, the guy opposide the cave? |
| 00:15.45 | Kirkburn|afk | aye |
| 00:16.06 | Nom- | If you're not on a PvP server, then there's basically no threat to going to Orgrimmar as an Alliance member, so long as you don't go near the guards. |
| 00:16.13 | Sstixrud | thanks clad |
| 00:16.21 | cladhaire | there are better ways overall to do it |
| 00:16.26 | cladhaire | btu thats an improvement over where you are atm |
| 00:16.36 | Nom- | You should reroll horde anyway |
| 00:16.40 | Kirkburn|afk | lol |
| 00:16.41 | Nom- | Quests are so much better :P |
| 00:16.50 | Sstixrud | clad specifically due to my table creation per event? |
| 00:16.53 | cladhaire | yes |
| 00:16.58 | Nom- | I just did 1-60 on my new BE Pally |
| 00:17.01 | Nom- | Didn't have to grind at all |
| 00:17.03 | cladhaire | like i said, that's 320 bytes per second in a fight |
| 00:17.07 | cladhaire | minimum |
| 00:17.10 | Sstixrud | but its so much easier :) |
| 00:17.11 | Sstixrud | heh |
| 00:17.14 | Nom- | Hit a couple of instnaces, but basically quested all the way to 60 |
| 00:17.34 | cladhaire | if its easy, there's probably a problem with it =) |
| 00:17.56 | Sstixrud | would this work for debuffs as well? |
| 00:18.00 | cladhaire | yes |
| 00:18.36 | cladhaire | best runecloth farming, tyr's hand? |
| 00:20.05 | Kirkburn|afk | Hmm, do I go harass the starter zone? |
| 00:20.21 | Nom- | lol good luck |
| 00:20.29 | Nom- | It's at the southern part of Durotar |
| 00:20.35 | Nom- | But there's level 65 guards all around it i believe |
| 00:20.41 | Xuerian | There's also a back way in. |
| 00:20.52 | Kaso | clad i think silithus would be quicker for runecloth than tyr's |
| 00:20.53 | Kirkburn|afk | Yes, thank you, I've been playing for 2 years, I've not *always* played Alliance ;) |
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| 00:21.01 | Nom- | lol |
| 00:21.05 | cladhaire | Kaso: I just realized I can get 16 slotters with netherweave |
| 00:21.17 | Kirkburn|afk | I must test me warlock stealthing skills |
| 00:21.21 | Nom- | You asked how you could harass the starter zone... |
| 00:21.27 | Kirkburn|afk | They got me into central Orgrimmar earlier :P |
| 00:21.44 | Kirkburn|afk | Whether to, not how to :D |
| 00:22.15 | Kirkburn|afk | I spent about half an hour shouting at people in Orgrimmar, no one ever noticed me |
| 00:23.00 | cladhaire | no one is there |
| 00:23.01 | cladhaire | lol |
| 00:24.04 | Kirkburn|afk | Oooh, so close to revered with Exodar |
| 00:24.36 | cladhaire | zomg gz |
| 00:24.42 | Kirkburn|afk | lol |
| 00:25.10 | cladhaire | ooh i can go grind magh'rar faction while farming netherweave cloth, and getting beads for consortium |
| 00:25.11 | cladhaire | how leet |
| 00:25.26 | cladhaire | why didn't i think of this before! |
| 00:25.34 | Kirkburn|afk | I've spent most of today on a kind of 'world tour' getting all the Coin of Ancestrys |
| 00:26.20 | Kirkburn|afk | Grind how? |
| 00:26.26 | cladhaire | kill ogres |
| 00:26.48 | Kirkburn|afk | D'oh, I thought you said Thrallmar for some reason |
| 00:27.10 | cladhaire | neg, lrn2raed |
| 00:27.53 | Kirkburn|afk | sutf! |
| 00:27.59 | cladhaire | zmg! |
| 00:28.19 | cladhaire | by the time i run to the dark portal |
| 00:28.21 | cladhaire | my HS will be up |
| 00:28.23 | cladhaire | i hate myself. |
| 00:28.32 | Kirkburn|afk | The best kind of hate |
| 00:28.54 | Kirkburn|afk | No wait, that's love |
| 00:29.05 | cladhaire | zomg, I just had an intense Kirkburngasm! |
| 00:29.23 | Kirkburn|afk | Esamynn's perked up |
| 00:29.28 | cladhaire | wouldn't you? |
| 00:29.32 | Thrae | I just bind in Sharrath...ahahatheodnar City, which has the portals. |
| 00:29.34 | Kirkburn|afk | I already am |
| 00:29.48 | cladhaire | Thrae: I am.. my HS is up |
| 00:29.54 | cladhaire | err on cooldown |
| 00:30.00 | Thrae | Ah, that sucks. |
| 00:30.07 | cladhaire | heh it happens every hour or so =) |
| 00:30.27 | Thrae | If you're doing instances, remember you can leave the party inside the instance and get a free hearth out without using up your hearth. |
| 00:30.44 | cladhaire | yeah |
| 00:30.51 | cladhaire | i'm not atm |
| 00:30.52 | Kirkburn|afk | ^ Note, the above does not apply to real-world parties |
| 00:30.53 | cladhaire | its easier to run |
| 00:31.14 | Thrae | I'm also an Engineer -- working on the new teleport. |
| 00:31.27 | cladhaire | i found a great thing today |
| 00:31.37 | cladhaire | the phase hunters and nether ray's in netherstorm |
| 00:31.39 | cladhaire | are skinnable |
| 00:31.43 | cladhaire | i.e. leather + motes of mana == sexy |
| 00:32.06 | bleetah | Thrae: *new* teleport? |
| 00:32.09 | Thrae | Kirkburn|afk: In real-world parties, you just need to get hammered, pee on the hostess's table, then get a free ride back home by cab. |
| 00:32.41 | cladhaire | lol |
| 00:32.44 | cladhaire | i dont feel well =/ |
| 00:32.53 | Thrae | bleetah: Yes, there's a new teleporter to someplace in Outlands. I forget the name of the place you teleport to. |
| 00:32.58 | cladhaire | area 52 |
| 00:32.59 | Sstixrud | clad with your "function MyAddon:UNIT_AURA(event, unit)" are you expecting that "unit" is buff target? and what are you thinking "Event |
| 00:33.03 | Sstixrud | is |
| 00:33.15 | cladhaire | Sstixrud: Your event handler should be pasing event, arg1, arg2, arg3, etc. |
| 00:33.24 | Thrae | bleetah: Engineers also get Teleport: Gadget or Teleport: Winterspring depending on your affiliation. |
| 00:34.55 | Sstixrud | well my event handler is passing arg1 = player/partyx/raidx and event = buff/debuff/unithp |
| 00:35.07 | cladhaire | well unit is the unitid. |
| 00:35.13 | Sstixrud | k |
| 00:35.14 | cladhaire | event _shoudl_ be UNIT_AURA but i dont know what you're doing |
| 00:35.31 | bleetah | Thrae: yeah, I got my teleport to WS. my engi's still sittin' around the inn @ honor hold, so.. thanks for the info 'coz I woulda been pissed off if I'd already missed a new teleport ;) |
| 00:35.33 | cladhaire | i'm just goign with the way the typical event handler is written |
| 00:35.43 | Sstixrud | ok, thanks. |
| 00:36.59 | bleetah | thrae: my guild hasn't been doing many instances yet, so the urge to level the engi to get the mailbox recipe ain't there ;) |
| 00:38.14 | seebs | Mailbox recipe? |
| 00:38.38 | bleetah | there's some recipe out there for engis, remote mail terminal |
| 00:38.50 | seebs | Oooh. |
| 00:38.50 | Kaso | i thought that had been removed |
| 00:39.03 | bleetah | so if your group is heavily inside an instance, pop one up and mail all the goodies off to your alts and keep moving |
| 00:39.06 | bleetah | did it? |
| 00:39.30 | seebs | Dunno. That sounds AWFULLY cool, and I have an engineer who is, by happy coincidence, my preferred character for farming lowbie instances. :) |
| 00:39.31 | Kaso | its not on thottbot |
| 00:39.33 | bleetah | was about the only immediately useful 300+ engi recipe I could see |
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| 00:39.58 | bleetah | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=23885#00Rz |
| 00:40.01 | seebs | Well, she's a 'lock, so obviously she wants the spellpower goggles. |
| 00:40.05 | Nom- | Yay for stuff breaking |
| 00:40.14 | bleetah | yeah, seems like it's been removed from live |
| 00:41.02 | Nom- | OMG remote mail terminal?!!?!?! |
| 00:41.26 | Nom- | The number of grinders who would want that lol |
| 00:41.28 | bleetah | well, looking through the other high end recipes, with the terminal gone, it's all pretty much useless crap apart from the goggles |
| 00:41.48 | bleetah | well, that may be a bit harsh, but if you look at the recipes, I think you'd agree |
| 00:41.48 | Nom- | yah no observed drops |
| 00:41.57 | Nom- | So unless it's really, really rare, then it's gone |
| 00:42.13 | Nom- | Coz I know my guild is clearing Black Morass every night |
| 00:42.27 | Sstixrud | clad - so this code of yours will populate the table buffs[unit] with a variable for each buffname and it will be assigned a positive value if active on that unit and will be nil if not correct? |
| 00:42.40 | Nom- | Having said that, however, it does say 0.1% on that web page |
| 00:42.53 | cladhaire | Sstixrud: Yes.. it could be trivially modified to keep count as well |
| 00:43.08 | Kaso | Nom- im pretty sure its not in the game at the moment (or is a raid drop perhaps) |
| 00:43.44 | Sstixrud | I can then write code that will if buffs[unit][spellname] then ; bleh() ; else ; blah() ; end ? |
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| 00:44.38 | Nom- | If it's a heroic mode drop |
| 00:44.45 | Nom- | Then it's more conceivable that noone has seen it yet |
| 00:45.13 | Sstixrud | ok, thanks clad, I think I see how to intergrate it. |
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| 00:47.01 | Nom- | Given the fact it's a level 67 item, that seems unlikely ;( |
| 00:50.02 | Kaso | I wonder why they though it "over-powered" |
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| 01:03.23 | Nom- | They wouldn't have though it overpowered, i doubt |
| 01:03.44 | Nom- | I eman, it's not powerful at all |
| 01:03.48 | Kaso | then why removed ? |
| 01:03.56 | Kaso | or at least made very very hard to find |
| 01:04.01 | Nom- | Coz they don't like giving us shiny things |
| 01:05.15 | Kaso | Hmm, seems odd though, if they'd been to all the effort of making the art, programing how the item works, then choose not to use it |
| 01:06.10 | bleetah | well, I get the feeling they worked on specific professions for BC. Smithing, armoring, a couple of others, and the other professions are still waiting to be fleshed out. evidence? reputation recipes for aldor/scryer are missing many professions. |
| 01:06.28 | bleetah | so, I'm just kinda hoping there's going to be some more profession reworking in the upcoming patches |
| 01:06.48 | bleetah | and I seem to recall a blue mentioning something about that, but can't recall specifics |
| 01:07.11 | Kaso | hmm, sounds plausable |
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| 01:08.15 | Kaso | I'd like to see a more useful BoP for Alchemy |
| 01:08.53 | bleetah | I'd like to be able to enchant a shirt... an item with 0 durability, no other stats, that you can swap in/out at your leisure without having to worry about screwing all your other stats |
| 01:09.46 | Tain | I'd like to see some potions that you have to have alchemy skill to use. Screw those freeloaders asking for pot handouts! |
| 01:10.06 | Kaso | yah sorta what i meant by a bop for alchemy |
| 01:10.11 | bleetah | heh, yup. totally agree. each profession should have juicy BoP stuff |
| 01:10.21 | Kaso | sucks that all we get thats "ours" is a trinket i wouldnt use if it was free |
| 01:12.26 | Tain | Every char I start I try doing something else but you just can't beat Herbalism/Alchemy for levelling. |
| 01:14.20 | Nom- | umm |
| 01:14.41 | Nom- | There's probably a good reason they didn't put recipes for professions in Aldor/Scryers |
| 01:14.47 | Nom- | Those professions are probably rare enough |
| 01:15.00 | Nom- | I mean, how hard is it to find a *good* enchanter |
| 01:15.13 | bleetah | I'm more waiting for a 'solution' to the hunter pet levelling issue, though. They've announced they're working on a new taming method, but I really don't wanna have to go and level my loyal PvP cat from 60-70 |
| 01:15.17 | Nom- | I won't even touch on Engineer...they usually have stuff for themselves, and that's about it |
| 01:15.33 | Nom- | bleetah: Why not? |
| 01:15.43 | bleetah | 'coz pets don't get rested, they don't work off quest XP.. it's 100% grind |
| 01:16.00 | Nom- | Even still, a hunter in my guild said their level 8 pet dinged to 66 with one levelup |
| 01:16.03 | Nom- | so maybe it is fixed |
| 01:16.12 | bleetah | now you tell me, would you be prepared to spend 2 months grinding to get a pet from 60 to 70? |
| 01:16.29 | bleetah | ooh, maybe they've changed it then |
| 01:16.44 | Kaso | Why not find a high 60 or 70 cat to tame? |
| 01:16.56 | Nom- | Because you sometimes chose a cat for looks |
| 01:16.59 | Nom- | Not for level |
| 01:17.08 | bleetah | principal's still the same, even if a new pet is 65, and I'm 70, it's a (excuse the language) fuckload of grinding |
| 01:17.11 | Nom- | For instnace, ghostsaber |
| 01:17.31 | bleetah | and it does nothing apart from turn the player offof the game |
| 01:17.35 | Nom- | Yeah, but if it dings straight to your level, then it's not *too* bad |
| 01:17.38 | Kaso | blizzard's methodolgy is if you choose stuff for looks then you should have to put in effort |
| 01:17.46 | Tain | I agree with that. |
| 01:17.47 | bleetah | well, it shouldn't ding to your level |
| 01:17.56 | Kaso | i mean, i like the look of the other mounts, i still have to grind for them |
| 01:18.04 | bleetah | it should ding to your level-1 |
| 01:18.18 | Tain | If you want a purple striped turtle just becuase it is purple and striped then the extra effort is on you. |
| 01:18.18 | bleetah | unless they've totally removed the pet XP gain |
| 01:19.25 | Tain | I have no idea what they intend do it with it in the long run, but it isn't outside the way the game has run from day 1 for people to have to spend more time than others if they want a specific graphical rewards that has no other real purpose. |
| 01:20.15 | bleetah | fwiw: My hunter is 67, my bear is 66, and is gaining XP. |
| 01:21.08 | bleetah | thing was, i didn't wanna waste time grabbing new pets, learning new abilities for the pets, when they've announced a change in the method in how I learn the new pet abilities |
| 01:21.48 | bleetah | as those changes may influence my final decision of which pets to run with, and I'd have to go out and tame/grind away again |
| 01:23.11 | Nom- | You're using a bear to level? |
| 01:25.23 | bleetah | yeah, ol' Ursius from Winterspring. Because the pet normalisation, was pretty cool. So Blizz changed some of the stuff, I prolly should've swapped - but as I say with Blizz saying 'More hunter pet changes RSN', I decided it *might* be a waste of time and effort, so it'd be better to just wait. |
| 01:25.33 | bleetah | s/because/before/ |
| 01:25.37 | Nom- | Cat > Bear :) |
| 01:26.36 | bleetah | ursius was/is a damn fine OT :P |
| 01:26.49 | bleetah | prolly more like 'was' nowadays, tho |
| 01:27.24 | sysrage | peg's ftw |
| 01:28.08 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:28.25 | bleetah | Cairenn: yup, it's the moon festival now |
| 01:28.31 | Cairenn | blah |
| 01:28.38 | JoshBorke | purl, hug Cairenn |
| 01:28.39 | purl | ACTION jumps into Cairenn's lap and huggles and *hugs* Cairenn |
| 01:28.42 | JoshBorke | i still have my arrows :-D |
| 01:29.17 | Cairenn | I never got a chance to go get the dress for my Drae :( |
| 01:30.48 | JoshBorke | there's always next year |
| 01:31.17 | Cairenn | indeed |
| 01:31.27 | Nom- | I never worked out how the love tokens worked |
| 01:31.28 | Nom- | lol |
| 01:31.43 | Nom- | I was too busy grinding to bother with those quests |
| 01:32.14 | JoshBorke | i did it for the buff food |
| 01:33.00 | Tain | Oh! So I played the World of Warcraft board game last night with 5 other people. |
| 01:33.17 | Tain | It is actually not a bad board game. |
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| 01:43.33 | Nom- | There's a board game? |
| 01:43.40 | Cairenn | lol |
| 01:43.41 | Cairenn | yes |
| 01:43.48 | Nom- | lol |
| 01:43.58 | Nom- | Sorry, but I get enough WoW from ... WoW |
| 01:44.06 | Nom- | Except on Tuesday nights |
| 01:44.10 | Nom- | That's when I catch up on TV |
| 01:45.10 | Tain | It was pretty fun. |
| 01:47.08 | Shadowed | hey Cairenn, can you move the categories of mods, or do we need to delete/readd them? |
| 01:47.14 | Shadowed | or did I miss the option to do that |
| 01:47.28 | Cairenn | I move them, just give me a link and which cat you want it moved to |
| 01:47.44 | Cairenn | (I or any of the other site staff) |
| 01:47.48 | Shadowed | alright thanks |
| 01:48.40 | Shadowed | probably do it tomorrow then! |
| 01:48.40 | Cairenn | hokay |
| 01:49.34 | Nom- | So in the WoW board game, does warlock suck? |
| 01:49.47 | Nom- | Or if you pick warlock do you always roll one higher than your opponent |
| 01:50.11 | Tain | Warlocks are good, you get pets that can take hits for you and you can do damage. It's a sort of rpg board game. |
| 01:50.24 | Tain | You draw quest cards and have to fight things by rolling dice. |
| 01:50.38 | Nom- | sounds.....boring :P |
| 01:50.38 | Tain | And different classes have different abilities that add to dice rolls. |
| 01:50.49 | Tain | Well then I'm glad you weren't playing! We had a blast. |
| 01:50.57 | Nom- | But then, i'm one of those people who needs stuff to happen to keep my interest |
| 01:51.18 | Tain | It's very much a strategy game. |
| 01:51.24 | Tain | The whole game took us about four hours. |
| 01:52.07 | Nom- | lol |
| 01:52.18 | Nom- | coinciently about the time the servers go down for every week :P |
| 01:52.30 | Tain | At the end the Horde side and the Alliance side have to battle each other. We whooped their asses. Alliance Paladin, Warrior, and Hunter, against Horde Mage, Warlock, and Rogue. |
| 01:52.56 | Tain | Our Alliance guys wiped all three of them out in one combat round. |
| 01:53.03 | Nom- | Of course |
| 01:53.06 | Nom- | You had a Pally |
| 01:53.09 | Nom- | And they had no healer |
| 01:53.19 | Nom- | *bubble* |
| 01:53.23 | Tain | haha Pally never even healed the whole game, but his defense for the team was incredible. |
| 01:53.24 | Nom- | Just like real WoW |
| 01:54.10 | Nom- | You really can't kill a pally in WoW without a healer |
| 01:54.11 | JoshBorke | sounds authentic to me |
| 02:04.40 | Mike-N-Go | Is there anything to be done about the AFK botters in AV? |
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| 02:05.12 | JoshBorke | misdirection on them? |
| 02:05.22 | Guillotine | haha |
| 02:05.32 | Guillotine | You used to be able to throw the special snowballs at them |
| 02:05.37 | Guillotine | and knock them backward out of portal |
| 02:05.42 | Guillotine | but now you just report them |
| 02:05.44 | Guillotine | they get a 'warning' |
| 02:20.51 | Mike-N-Go | .. |
| 02:22.07 | Nom- | lol |
| 02:22.10 | Nom- | i tried that, Guillotine |
| 02:22.19 | Nom- | Took me half the game to kick one person out the portal |
| 02:22.30 | Guillotine | lol |
| 02:22.46 | Nom- | I might as well have been afk myself |
| 02:23.01 | Nom- | I can't think why anyone would bother with AV any more tho |
| 02:23.14 | Guillotine | b/c you need the tokens for some items |
| 02:23.22 | Nom- | pfft |
| 02:23.32 | Nom- | the pvp gear isn't as good as the stuff you get from heroic mode |
| 02:23.53 | Kaso | make a macro like this : /bg An AFK vote has started for %T, type /afk kick to vote for kick, or /afk no to vote against |
| 02:24.03 | Kaso | it wont help the Afker problem but its damn funny |
| 02:24.05 | Guillotine | haha |
| 02:24.10 | Guillotine | that is so evil |
| 02:24.12 | Guillotine | yet hilarious |
| 02:24.58 | Guillotine | btw, cladhaire, I hate you |
| 02:25.05 | Guillotine | that Candy Mountain thing has been stuck in my head |
| 02:25.07 | Guillotine | since you linked it |
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| 02:57.21 | Mike-N-Go | Kaso: make a macro like this : /bg An AFK vote has started for %T, type /afk kick to vote for kick, or /afk no to vote against |
| 02:57.22 | Mike-N-Go | LOL |
| 03:03.07 | Mike-N-Go | This makes me want to make an AddOn that logs AFK people in BGs, people who were there from the greater part of the match, yet did not have any damage done. |
| 03:10.53 | Nom- | chaaaaaaaarlieeeeeeeee |
| 03:10.59 | Nom- | LOL that thing is hella funny |
| 03:14.37 | Xuerian | ~hug Cairenn |
| 03:14.38 | purl | ACTION hugs Cairenn |
| 03:15.40 | Xuerian | Y'allright, Cairenn? |
| 03:15.55 | Cairenn | yeah, I'm fine, just chaaaarlieeeeee ;) |
| 03:16.06 | Cairenn | that's what I was sobbing about |
| 03:16.21 | Xuerian | Ah. |
| 03:16.27 | Thrae | Do you need patch.mpq after the game is patched? |
| 03:16.30 | Xuerian | C'mon purl, let's go <.< |
| 03:22.49 | Thrae | robocopy z: "C: |
| 03:24.59 | Thrae | robocopy z: "C:\Program Files\World of Warcraft" /E /R:1 /W:1 /PURGE /XF %0 *enUS-downloader* *enUS-patch* Config.* layout-cache.txt /XD *Patch* |
| 03:25.27 | Thrae | Now my laptop and desktop are easily syncronized |
| 03:38.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://pc.gamespy.com/articles/694/694581p1.html |
| 03:45.15 | Mike-N-Go | The bodies are moving afet death in WSg.. lol |
| 04:42.47 | Mike-N-Go | I am getting a big bill for the PvP, repairs |
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| 05:09.00 | meecrob | hey does anyone know if there is a CHAT_MSG_SPELL_CREATURE_VS_PARTY_DAMAGE event? Its not listed on wowwiki |
| 05:09.36 | subbawt | Dumb buggy instances. |
| 05:09.45 | subbawt | I thought they fixed Mechanar, but apparently I was wrong. |
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| 05:16.54 | Kaso | meecrob there is it seems to have gone missing off the wiki for some reason |
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| 05:57.58 | Shadowed | Is there a way to find out when somebody isn't mousing over a unit anymore? Don't care about any information except "The player isn't hovering over a unit" |
| 05:58.04 | Shadowed | besides OnUpdate checks that is |
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| 06:00.07 | Kaso | i assume UPDATE_MOUSEOVER_UNIT doesnt fire On mouse out then? |
| 06:00.16 | Shadowed | correc t=( |
| 06:00.33 | Kaso | try CURSOR_UPDATE |
| 06:01.06 | Kaso | not sure if it fires on mouseout either but worth a shot |
| 06:02.32 | Shadowed | It only fires on cursor changes, so can't use that to detect mouseout for friendly units |
| 06:03.22 | Shadowed | but yes, it does fire on mouseout assuming the cursor changed like if you were to mousein a friendly NPC then mouseout |
| 06:03.32 | Kaso | good point, didnt think of that |
| 06:03.39 | Shadowed | blah |
| 06:03.40 | Kaso | Guess you're stuck with an OnUpdate |
| 06:03.48 | Shadowed | name plates keeps forcing me to use OnUpdates =( |
| 06:04.08 | Kaso | but to be honest, it shouldnt be that demanding to call a UnitExists or whatever every say 1/2 sec |
| 06:04.30 | Shadowed | good thats what I like to hear |
| 06:04.50 | Kaso | Is this connected to nameplates? |
| 06:05.23 | Shadowed | yeah, wanted to add an option to configure the text color of names and opacity, but I need to detect mousein/mouseout in order to do it |
| 06:05.52 | Kaso | Does the "shine" appear when you mouseover units, or just the nameplate, because you could use use some Hooking of it's show method as a hackish way to do it without onupdate |
| 06:06.24 | Shadowed | I'd have to check but i'm pretty sure the shine is just a texture meaning it doesn't have an OnShow/OnHide |
| 06:08.16 | Kaso | Nope, but you can do local old=Texture.Show Texture.Show = function(self) old(self) DoStuff() end |
| 06:09.09 | Shadowed | Nameplates are called in C code, so hooking Show/Hide doesn't do anything except for finding out what other addons are doing |
| 06:09.20 | Kaso | damnit you are indeed correct |
| 06:09.25 | Kaso | forgot about that |
| 06:09.31 | Shadowed | If I could hook the Set/Show/Hide's then it would be easy since I could hook SetTextColor |
| 06:09.44 | Kaso | Yah go for update then :< |
| 06:10.16 | Shadowed | =( |
| 06:14.47 | Sstixrud | hmmm sigh I dont understand this code cladhaire gave me as an example to compare previous auras with current |
| 06:15.07 | Shadowed | Can you pastey the code he gave you? |
| 06:15.47 | Sstixrud | http://pastebin.ca/363119 |
| 06:16.38 | Kaso | norganna, if you're there by the way you know that pastey is bugged at the moment? |
| 06:17.14 | norganna | kaso: still? |
| 06:17.19 | Kaso | when did you fix it? |
| 06:17.26 | Shadowed | cladhaire: Wouldn't using a table that contains a list of names, and if the name isn't found in the current list then it faded? |
| 06:17.26 | Kaso | i had an error eariler today |
| 06:17.28 | norganna | a few hours ago |
| 06:17.30 | Sstixrud | somehow I need to use that code to detect new vs expired buffs and pass the buffname and new/expire status to another function that uses it |
| 06:17.36 | Kaso | ah perhaps im wrong then |
| 06:17.45 | norganna | nobody told me :( |
| 06:18.12 | Kaso | Whats with all the viagra spam on it atm ? |
| 06:18.12 | norganna | i was sad when i went to use it this morning, and it was broken, and that was the first i'd heard of it :( |
| 06:18.25 | Sstixrud | Shadowed not sure that I follow |
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| 06:18.59 | Shadowed | Sstixrud: Was asking clad about how he did it |
| 06:20.13 | norganna | kaso: yeah, i know |
| 06:20.20 | norganna | bloody spammers |
| 06:20.32 | Sstixrud | clad gave me that code to replace my previous code which renamed the previous table and created a new one... then comapred the two. Clad suggested that would be too process intensive for UNIT_AURA events |
| 06:21.09 | Sstixrud | I am just not sure how to use this code to do determine old vs new |
| 06:21.34 | cladhaire | Sstixrud: I already explained that |
| 06:21.35 | Shadowed | Look at the comments |
| 06:21.39 | cladhaire | and commented twice in the code, where you can do that logic,. |
| 06:21.47 | Sstixrud | sorry I am a newb :P |
| 06:22.08 | cladhaire | you're just thinking in the wrong context |
| 06:22.17 | cladhaire | you want to compare two sets, and see whats different |
| 06:22.27 | cladhaire | thats a bad way to look at this, so I gave you code that will tell you when a buff is gained, and when i fades |
| 06:23.01 | Sstixrud | I am having trouble following the code I guess |
| 06:23.13 | cladhaire | wheres the issue? |
| 06:23.15 | cladhaire | i can re-comment |
| 06:23.21 | cladhaire | but it should be pretty self explanatory |
| 06:23.47 | Shadowed | Kaso: I have to run an OnUpdate check every frame update (even 0.05 isn't enough) to do mouseover detection without looking crappy =( |
| 06:23.59 | cladhaire | Sstixrud: It creates a table bufs[unit] if it doesn't exist |
| 06:24.08 | Kaso | Tnta |
| 06:24.10 | cladhaire | then it loops through every pair, and decrements the value |
| 06:24.15 | cladhaire | it then goes through all buffs |
| 06:24.17 | Shadowed | I suppose thats not so bad since as long as I had flags to only check when it's needed, but blah |
| 06:24.19 | Kaso | thats sucky, but guess you gotta do what you gotta do |
| 06:24.22 | Sstixrud | Ok, say I want to use this to call an external function that expects unit, buffname and expired/new |
| 06:24.48 | cladhaire | Sstixrud: you can't do that, because again, this isn't comparing two sets |
| 06:24.56 | cladhaire | its telling you whena single buff fades or is gained. |
| 06:24.58 | Shadowed | I' |
| 06:24.59 | cladhaire | for all buffs. |
| 06:25.07 | Shadowed | I'd hope that boolean checks aren't that bad to be ran every onupdate anyway |
| 06:25.09 | cladhaire | its not table1 versus table2 and call some function with the different |
| 06:25.22 | cladhaire | its MyAddon:BuffFaded(unit, buff) |
| 06:25.26 | Sstixrud | ok... but how can I use that to hide/show/blink a button that is assoicated with that specific gained/faded buff |
| 06:25.29 | cladhaire | and thats called for each buff, if you want it to. |
| 06:25.40 | cladhaire | Sstixrud: Each, where I commented, call your function |
| 06:25.40 | cladhaire | O. |
| 06:25.42 | cladhaire | O.o |
| 06:25.46 | cladhaire | -- New buff |
| 06:25.50 | cladhaire | -- Buff expired |
| 06:27.54 | Sstixrud | sorry, ill ponder some more =) |
| 06:28.02 | cladhaire | I have to go to bed |
| 06:28.05 | cladhaire | but whats to ponder? |
| 06:28.20 | cladhaire | At --New buff, call your handler function to show/hide any buttons associated with that buff |
| 06:28.27 | cladhaire | same for -- Buff expired |
| 06:29.07 | Cairenn | night cladhaire, sweet dreams |
| 06:29.13 | Sstixrud | night |
| 06:29.14 | cladhaire | night Cairenn |
| 06:30.48 | Kaso | I love this picture: http://kasoo.net/img/imgs/satellite.png, all the various satellites and large peices of debris is earth orbit |
| 06:31.14 | Shadowed | green is good! |
| 06:31.23 | Shadowed | should have been a more threatening color, like red or bright pink |
| 06:31.37 | Kaso | how is pink in any way threatening? |
| 06:31.45 | Shadowed | it's pink |
| 06:31.53 | Nom- | like the big circle |
| 06:31.59 | Nom- | geostationary satellites ? |
| 06:32.52 | Kaso | yah around the equator |
| 06:33.08 | Kaso | then all the ones close are the low earth orbit |
| 06:33.10 | Sstixrud | omg I feel dumb... it was simple :) |
| 06:33.54 | Shadowed | would name plate modifications be unit, data or misc category anyway |
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| 06:38.05 | Sstixrud | Shadowed any idea why this code thinks it should remove auras that are still active? |
| 06:39.49 | Shadowed | Sstixrud: What do you mean |
| 06:41.17 | Shadowed | why must you mock me |
| 06:42.18 | Sstixrud | I added DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("removing "..k.." to target "..arg1) right above unitBuffs[k] = nil and it says a buffs thare are still active are removed, on the second interation. I.e. if I add a buff it doesn't trigger it, but if I add another them the previous ones hit expire |
| 06:42.23 | Sstixrud | if that makes sense? |
| 06:42.48 | Sstixrud | hell that didnt even make sense to me |
| 06:43.36 | Sstixrud | Heres what I did: http://pastebin.ca/363136 |
| 06:43.40 | Kaso | perhaps im reading this code wrong but the logic seems flawed |
| 06:43.47 | Shadowed | Kaso: Clads? |
| 06:43.56 | Kaso | mhm |
| 06:44.01 | Kaso | which is why i think im reading it wrong |
| 06:44.12 | Shadowed | no it's not just you, I was trying to figure out why he did it like tha |
| 06:44.30 | Sstixrud | whenever I add a new buff this code reports the buff was added, but when I add and or remove a buff it reports all previously added buffs are removed |
| 06:44.32 | Kaso | but it seems like every cycle itll think all the previous buffs expired |
| 06:44.43 | Kaso | ah ha |
| 06:44.54 | Shadowed | ? |
| 06:45.02 | Kaso | you need to change the if statement after line 21 |
| 06:45.25 | Sstixrud | remove the not? |
| 06:45.32 | Kaso | nono |
| 06:46.10 | Sstixrud | I am too much of a novise to understand other peoples code heh |
| 06:46.15 | Sstixrud | novice even |
| 06:46.49 | Kaso | off the top of my head this might fix it: |
| 06:46.52 | Kaso | http://pastebin.ca/363137 |
| 06:47.24 | Sstixrud | my table compare was more simple for my poor brain to understand :) |
| 06:48.42 | Shadowed | ohh boy |
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| 06:48.57 | Shadowed | Kaso: Don't you love it when code works in one version, then you retest it and have no idea why it stopped working :( |
| 06:51.38 | Sstixrud | Kaso thanks that works a lot better :) still not sure I fully understand the logic flow but it works :) |
| 06:51.50 | Kaso | Sstixrud, ive added some comments to this version that might assist in your understanding |
| 06:51.51 | Kaso | http://pastebin.ca/363145 |
| 06:52.59 | Sstixrud | -- this buff wasnt on the unit last cycle |
| 06:53.02 | Sstixrud | aww thats the part I didnt get |
| 06:53.33 | Sstixrud | thanks kaso |
| 06:53.38 | Kaso | no problem |
| 06:54.15 | Shadowed | Blizzard is thwarting my plans to do schoolwork today |
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| 06:55.35 | Cairenn | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=77590708&sid=1&pageNo=2 post #30, before it goes poof .... hahahahaha |
| 06:56.04 | Shadowed | I haven't seen that for a long time |
| 06:58.43 | Shadowed | Cairenn: When you aren't busy, would you mind moving http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6852-Nameplatesmodifier.html to the Misc category? |
| 06:59.55 | Cairenn | done |
| 06:59.58 | Shadowed | Thanks |
| 07:00.28 | Cairenn | np :) |
| 07:00.28 | Kaso | shadowed you should do MobHealth support for the HP on them |
| 07:01.06 | Shadowed | Kaso: will add that in a second |
| 07:01.32 | bleetah | dual boxing is kinky and shouldn't even get mentioned on the WoW forums |
| 07:01.45 | Kaso | Kinky? |
| 07:02.19 | bleetah | or fun, or immoral.. depending on your point of view I guess |
| 07:02.28 | Cairenn | night guys |
| 07:02.30 | Kaso | (on a releated topic, here's a guildie of mine getting killed by a half afk botchain http://files.filefront.com/6377732 |
| 07:02.33 | bleetah | nn Cairenn |
| 07:03.24 | Xuerian | 'night, Cairenn|afk |
| 07:03.31 | Xuerian | and, rofl @ the post. |
| 07:03.35 | Xuerian | I have to copy that..... |
| 07:07.01 | Shadowed | Kaso: have you played with adding MobInfo3 support to anything before? |
| 07:07.26 | Kaso | never implimented it, buuut |
| 07:07.29 | Shadowed | er Health not info |
| 07:08.24 | Kaso | umm as far as i know the API functions it provids only allow you to do it via UnitID, but if you check their table directly its all indexed under "unitname:level" so you could do it getto and grab the info from the table |
| 07:08.36 | Shadowed | Alright thanks |
| 07:09.02 | Kaso | the table stores some wierd value let me work out how to get the hp from it again |
| 07:09.50 | Shadowed | It looks like it stores the HP they have totel, and then uses the current percentage value to figure it out, so 5000 max health and 50% health means 2500 curren |
| 07:10.59 | Kaso | oh true |
| 07:11.06 | Kaso | Mobhealth 2 did it differently |
| 07:11.13 | Shadowed | How'd they do it? |
| 07:11.57 | Shadowed | Looks like they did something weird like last known health/highest known health |
| 07:12.23 | Kaso | i recall them storing a points per percentage value and something else |
| 07:12.28 | Kaso | but i dont remeber too well |
| 07:12.29 | Shadowed | weird |
| 07:12.32 | Thrae | http://thrae-wow.googlecode.com/files/PerfectTargets-0.3.zip <-- please test, k thnx |
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| 07:13.00 | Shadowed | stupid name plates |
| 07:15.28 | Shadowed | I really need to move all this crap to a library =/ |
| 07:18.03 | Kaso | ah, i think they store something wacky like "damage taken/percentage lost" |
| 07:18.05 | Kaso | which is rather odd |
| 07:18.30 | Shadowed | sometimes I wish I knew why people did odd stuff like that |
| 07:19.43 | Kaso | i guess its so they can work out some sort of relative accuracy of the data |
| 07:21.04 | Shadowed | Maybe but I don't see how you could get accurate information out of tha |
| 07:21.05 | Shadowed | tt |
| 07:21.17 | Kaso | hmm? |
| 07:21.30 | Shadowed | out of "damage taken/percentage lost" |
| 07:21.30 | Kaso | accurate infomation ? or accuracy infomation? |
| 07:21.41 | Shadowed | accurate information on the accuracy of the information |
| 07:22.36 | Kaso | well you know if its a mob thats just been added to the table if its got like "7" as its percentage lost value so you know it isnt hugely accurate, where as if its at 2500 (as seems to be the cap) you know its pretty accurate |
| 07:22.55 | Shadowed | ahh thats true |
| 07:23.43 | Kaso | i wouldnt choose that system myself, but i guess they had their reasons |
| 07:24.04 | Shadowed | yeah thats why I was wondering why they did it like that |
| 07:25.38 | Shadowed | hrm |
| 07:25.42 | Shadowed | MobHealth3 isn't updated for 2.0.0 |
| 07:25.55 | Shadowed | or maybe WoWI's version is out of date |
| 07:27.10 | Shadowed | damn you people who only update on the wowace site =( |
| 07:27.56 | Nom- | btw |
| 07:27.57 | Nom- | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3697765098130473147&q=Xzin |
| 07:28.02 | Nom- | multi-boxing goodness :P |
| 07:29.03 | Nom- | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3471302298396612214&q=Xzin |
| 07:30.47 | Nom- | hahaha |
| 07:30.52 | Kaso | Is ask though, is it worth spending five subscriptions just to farm gold easier |
| 07:30.54 | Nom- | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4896464455695298576&q=Xzin <-- receiving end |
| 07:31.00 | Nom- | 4 x POM Pyro's at the same time |
| 07:31.16 | Nom- | Hey, if it gives you enjoyment, why not? |
| 07:33.18 | Kaso | haha thats pretty amusing i must admit |
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| 07:34.17 | Shadowed | Kaso: MH3 does it in a weird way, but the API supports getting the information by name/level |
| 07:34.24 | Shadowed | GetUnitHealth(unit, current, max, name, level) |
| 07:34.27 | Kaso | oh? thats good |
| 07:38.50 | Kaso | I like the little metatable thing MH3 does that re-routes any queries to the MobInfo/Health2 table to its own |
| 07:39.36 | Shadowed | I was looking at that, why does it do that anyway? |
| 07:41.32 | Kaso | so any mobs that bypass the mobinfo2 api and grab data from its table still work, without needing to maintain two seperate tables in different formats |
| 07:41.39 | Kaso | mods |
| 07:41.45 | Shadowed | ahhh |
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| 07:43.26 | Shadowed | MobHealth is making me pass a fake unitid to work :( |
| 07:44.36 | Sstixrud | anyone know why UNIT_AURA event is sometimes called more tha once fora single aura change? |
| 07:44.53 | Nom- | for an aura leaving and then a new one adding on |
| 07:45.09 | Sstixrud | no I mean even more than that |
| 07:45.28 | Nom- | depends...if the aura has more than one effect |
| 07:45.29 | Shadowed | I believe it was mentioned on the wiki that same aura changes (paladin/druid?) would cause more then one event to fire |
| 07:45.47 | Nom- | Paladin for sure, because the old aura fades, and then the new one comes into effect |
| 07:45.59 | Nom- | Same with Shaman dropping totems |
| 07:46.02 | Nom- | even one of the smae kind |
| 07:46.14 | Shadowed | well MH3 support was semi-painless to add |
| 07:46.29 | Sstixrud | aww I am testing with a paly that explains its |
| 07:46.33 | Kaso | did you pass it player or something? |
| 07:46.38 | Shadowed | Kaso: yeppppp |
| 07:46.48 | Sstixrud | it doesnt hurt what I am doing but it is resource wasteful :| |
| 07:47.14 | Kaso | mmhm, but i guess its better to use the API than fiddle with the table |
| 07:47.38 | Nom- | Fired when a buff, debuff, status, or item bonus was gained by or faded from a player, pet, NPC, or mob. |
| 07:47.46 | Shadowed | If anyone complains, i'll blame MobHealth |
| 07:47.52 | Kaso | ha :> |
| 07:48.11 | Nom- | There you go...that would imply that if you've got a pet or another player in range being affected by the aura, then the event would fire for them too |
| 07:48.29 | Kaso | Strangely casting Revive pet makes two UNIT_AURA events fire for yourself, i was always puzzled by that one |
| 07:48.36 | Kaso | or was it call pet |
| 07:48.37 | Kaso | one of the two |
| 07:48.49 | Nom- | why? |
| 07:48.59 | Nom- | one for you and one for your pet |
| 07:49.08 | Kaso | Ive no idea, i just know my SCT does [Call Pet][Call Pet] when i use it |
| 07:49.13 | Nom- | You're getting flagged as having a pet and your pet is getting any talent based buffs and stuff |
| 07:49.21 | Kaso | that makes sense |
| 07:49.37 | Nom- | It'll be something like that |
| 07:49.55 | Nom- | Once for calling the pet, and again for the pet being added as a buff or something to you (internally) |
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| 08:25.14 | Kolth | Any Battlestar Galactica watchers? |
| 08:26.33 | Kaso | ive started watching recently, but im only a few episodes in |
| 08:27.04 | Kolth | I have what's labeled S01-E01 but it says, "Previously on Battlestar Galactica..." when I start it up. What came before it? |
| 08:27.24 | Mike-N-Go | I am not thinking! |
| 08:27.33 | Mike-N-Go | I give away my water and then enter AV! |
| 08:28.10 | Kaso | Kolth there was a 3(or 2) part Mini-series that started off the whole "New" bsg thing |
| 08:28.16 | Kolth | Should I watch those? |
| 08:28.28 | Kaso | its worth a watch yes |
| 08:28.37 | Kolth | Is their story part of the sequence? |
| 08:28.55 | Kaso | Yah it starts the plot off |
| 08:29.01 | Kolth | k, thanks |
| 08:50.48 | Kirkburn|afk | BSG ftw :) |
| 08:50.58 | Kirkburn|afk | Yay for awful AWFUL UIs - http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/4952/scholojb2.jpg |
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| 08:57.32 | Shadowed | Kirkburn|afk: The goal is to ineffectively use space obviously |
| 08:58.00 | Kirkburn|afk | Click-tastic |
| 08:58.04 | Nom- | http://au.pc.gamespy.com/articles/599/599411p1.html <- hahaha |
| 08:58.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | only thing that would make it worse |
| 08:58.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | would be a huge black bar on the bottom |
| 08:58.38 | Kirkburn|afk | lol |
| 08:58.44 | Kirkburn|afk | x 2 |
| 08:58.55 | Shadowed | mmm |
| 08:59.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | UI SCALE? WHAT'S THAT, I LIKE MY BUTTONS THE SIZE OF MY HEAD |
| 08:59.22 | Shadowed | well if you're a gnome they have really small heads |
| 09:00.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | [penis joke goes here] |
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| 09:08.12 | Kaso | I hate high UI scale |
| 09:08.25 | Shadowed | I hate anything that isn't the default UI and UI scale |
| 09:08.38 | Kaso | i use 0.5, damn bliizard setting lower limit to 0.64 |
| 09:09.05 | Kolth | I use 0.7. |
| 09:14.32 | SunTiger | 0.64 here |
| 09:14.37 | SunTiger | and its fine for me. |
| 09:17.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | 0.74 is just about awesome for me |
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| 09:26.24 | Tem | Shadowed, check the docs on wowwiki. They're the most up to date |
| 09:26.49 | Tem | the docs on google code are for an alpha release. I'm not exactly sure why they were never updated for beta-0 |
| 09:26.50 | krka | i use ui scale = 2 |
| 09:26.53 | krka | sometimes 3 |
| 09:26.59 | Kaso | 3? |
| 09:27.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | in 640 by 480 |
| 09:27.08 | Kaso | haha |
| 09:27.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | on an imax display |
| 09:27.18 | Tem | 320 x 240 woo |
| 09:27.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | your action buttons are as big as houses |
| 09:27.25 | Tem | windows 3.0 |
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| 10:04.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=25899 |
| 10:04.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | gotta get me one of those |
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| 10:14.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | guys i just like totally realized something |
| 10:14.38 | krka | good for you! |
| 10:14.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | matt damonology and ben afflecktion warlocks |
| 10:14.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | :O |
| 10:15.03 | wobin | >< |
| 10:15.14 | Kolth | :| |
| 10:15.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | its gotta mean something man |
| 10:16.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | i couldnt find anything related with destro |
| 10:16.46 | Kirkburn|afk | Omg, I'm a Matt Daemon! |
| 10:18.40 | Kolth | It's so cold in my apartment. |
| 10:22.36 | SunTiger | use the heating |
| 10:22.57 | Kolth | Broken. |
| 10:23.02 | Kolth | And it's 41° outside. |
| 10:23.42 | wobin | ... |
| 10:23.48 | wobin | oh |
| 10:23.49 | wobin | F |
| 10:23.52 | Tem | mine too |
| 10:23.55 | Kolth | yesh |
| 10:24.00 | Tem | <3 blankets |
| 10:24.05 | wobin | I was thinking, Mmm. Summer |
| 10:24.09 | Kolth | GOtz em |
| 10:24.23 | wobin | get those usb heating mitts |
| 10:24.30 | Kolth | Have em |
| 10:24.43 | Tem | ew |
| 10:24.45 | wobin | Hot chocolate? |
| 10:24.45 | Tem | it's 33 here |
| 10:24.59 | wobin | What's that in Celcius? |
| 10:25.20 | Kolth | 0 |
| 10:25.34 | Kolth | Or. |
| 10:25.35 | wobin | oh |
| 10:25.40 | Kolth | 0.555555556F |
| 10:25.40 | wobin | well that's not too bad |
| 10:25.44 | Kolth | C* |
| 10:25.55 | Tem | wobin, that's about as cold as it gets here |
| 10:26.18 | wobin | That was warm =) |
| 10:26.19 | Tem | it's actually pretty rare for us to go below 45F |
| 10:26.47 | Tem | wobin, was it "winter" meaning your f'ed up south hemisphere "winter in the summer" crap? |
| 10:27.14 | Tem | oh hey |
| 10:27.19 | wobin | No, I spent last 'Winter in the northern hemisphere' in northern china =) |
| 10:27.35 | Tem | doesn't supreme commander come out tomorrow? |
| 10:27.48 | wobin | we didn't have a white christmas, but it was a pretty grey and dirty one |
| 10:27.54 | Tem | :( |
| 10:27.57 | wobin | or maybe white for the first few minutes |
| 10:28.06 | Tem | then it turned to muddy snow?\ |
| 10:28.45 | wobin | well. lets just say, my roommate said that the only place with worse pollution he'd ever seen was in Iran. |
| 10:29.09 | Tem | ew |
| 10:29.27 | Tem | ooh, sup com demo |
| 10:29.50 | Tem | 1 gig? |
| 10:29.55 | Tem | geeze this better be good |
| 10:30.03 | wobin | that's one hell of a demo |
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| 10:32.13 | Tem | lol vista's estimated time for extracting things is really dump |
| 10:32.33 | Tem | I'm extracting a 700 mb file at "2.45 MB/sec" |
| 10:32.48 | Tem | however, it estimates that it will be done in 2 days 14 hours |
| 10:33.38 | krka | just a bit mathematically challenged |
| 10:34.31 | Tem | I wasn't watching at first, so I suspect that it started very slowly |
| 10:34.37 | Tem | and it uses an average |
| 10:36.30 | krka | would be smart to only consider the last few seconds to calculate the average |
| 10:36.55 | Tem | not always |
| 10:36.59 | Tem | but in this case, I agree |
| 10:37.15 | krka | why not always? |
| 10:37.45 | Tem | large temporary changes |
| 10:50.02 | Corrodias | the only alternative to checking the last few seconds is to check longer... or shorter |
| 10:50.13 | Corrodias | get it long enough and it's just the average of the whole thing again |
| 10:51.39 | Corrodias | the image of the "really bad UI" has been removed for high bandwidth usage on imageshack |
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| 10:53.58 | Corrodias | my ui scale is at 0.9 right now, but i've considered reducing it |
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| 11:00.18 | Amaechizzle | Hello |
| 11:00.43 | Corrodias | HOWDY HO |
| 11:01.01 | Amaechizzle | How are ya? |
| 11:01.36 | Corrodias | well, i just passed out for 6 hours |
| 11:01.42 | Amaechizzle | Ahhhh |
| 11:01.42 | Corrodias | feeling pretty good now |
| 11:01.53 | Amaechizzle | lol |
| 11:01.58 | Amaechizzle | I would bloody hope so |
| 11:02.15 | Amaechizzle | I was wondering if there was a way to get auctioneer and cosmos to work side by side |
| 11:02.46 | Corrodias | cosmos is a whole bunch of addons, and i really don't know much about it |
| 11:03.20 | Amaechizzle | Do you use any other mods with auctioneer? |
| 11:04.06 | Corrodias | if i reduce my ui scale any farther, it's too hard to see things at this resolution |
| 11:04.12 | Corrodias | i must live with 0.9 |
| 11:04.37 | Corrodias | heavens, yes, i have about 150 addons, including auctioneer |
| 11:05.22 | Corrodias | there are 175 folders in my addons folder, but i expect about 25 of them to be part of addons with multiple folders |
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| 11:07.47 | Amaechizzle | Do you use any third party programs to help put it all together... e.g. cosmos |
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| 11:19.50 | Kirkburn|afk | Awesomeness - this was linked on the lastest episode of Scrubs: http://thetoddtime.com/ |
| 11:20.58 | Kirkburn|afk | YEEAAAAA!!! |
| 11:24.21 | Corrodias | no |
| 11:24.34 | Corrodias | most of the addons don't interact in any way |
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| 11:39.43 | kamikadze | hey :) |
| 11:39.57 | kamikadze | how do i destroy frame that i created with createFrame() ? |
| 11:40.53 | nuoHep | you cant |
| 11:41.21 | kamikadze | any reason for this? |
| 11:44.11 | Corrodias | maybe it's not possible to destroy frames |
| 11:45.50 | kamikadze | so if i want to have like 1-20 frames on screen i have to crate 20 of them and keep rest hidden for later if needed? |
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| 14:20.30 | Kaso | Does anyone know what the "running speed" is in wow in yards/sec |
| 14:21.05 | krka | last i checked it was 6.5 or something |
| 14:21.23 | Kaso | sounds close enough for me, thanks |
| 14:21.27 | krka | actually, i don't remember... but using MapLibrary i could get a very accurate number |
| 14:21.46 | krka | i think 8 was running with cheetah |
| 14:22.05 | Kaso | then 6.4 would be normal |
| 14:22.51 | krka | yeah, i dont remember exactly what it was |
| 14:23.04 | Kaso | that number seems to ring a bell, so i'll trust it |
| 14:23.10 | Kaso | i dont need huge accuracy |
| 14:26.41 | zenzio | *grumble*... 125 rep short of exalted after an SL run |
| 14:26.48 | Kaso | Blink gives you 120% run speed :> |
| 14:32.30 | krka | how do you figure? |
| 14:32.38 | krka | 20 yards over 30 seconds? |
| 14:33.09 | krka | (20 + 6.4 * 30) / (6.4 * 30) ? |
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| 14:33.36 | krka | no wait.. is it 15 seconds? :) |
| 14:33.52 | Kaso | 15 sec |
| 14:34.36 | krka | should boost blink to 25 yards! |
| 14:34.49 | krka | or even 30 |
| 14:34.56 | krka | to make it even with aspect of cheetah |
| 14:35.15 | Kaso | doesnt (didnt?) imp blink do that? or was it mana cost, i know it was particularlly useless |
| 14:35.53 | krka | i haven't played in a like a year |
| 14:35.57 | krka | so i have no idea |
| 14:37.03 | Kaso | Imp Blink, reduces the mana cost by 25% | 50% |
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| 14:39.53 | foxlit | 30 yards is rather imba with 15s timer :) |
| 14:40.11 | foxlit | Assuming it works, of course. |
| 14:41.46 | krka | why imba? |
| 14:42.05 | krka | only 30% speed boost! |
| 14:42.47 | Kaso | I mage friend of mine has the best fix for blink-bugs imo |
| 14:43.24 | Kaso | change the tooltip to; "Attempts to teleport the caster 20yrds aheads, but due-to instabilties in this magic, the effect can be unpredicable." or something along those lines |
| 14:47.36 | foxlit | "only 30% speed boost!" What's the default run speed? :) |
| 14:47.48 | Kaso | 6.4 fps we decided on |
| 14:48.01 | Kaso | sorry |
| 14:48.03 | Kaso | yps |
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| 15:16.20 | Kaso | MPAA used unlicensed software on there blogging site, rather than paying the £25 for a licence: http://theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=37707 |
| 15:17.23 | zenzio | lol |
| 15:18.19 | zenzio | MPAA/RIAA/SCO together is the embodiment of stupidity |
| 15:18.50 | krka | to be fair, that's a lot of money! |
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| 15:42.54 | malreth | RAWR! |
| 15:44.43 | Thunder_Child | hi malreth |
| 15:45.20 | malreth | harro |
| 15:45.40 | malreth | i had a headache all weekend |
| 15:45.51 | malreth | i'm glad it's gone now |
| 15:46.11 | malreth | because now i can drink coffee to make myself miserable again |
| 15:46.14 | Thunder_Child | indeed |
| 15:47.00 | MoonWolf | ~caffeine |
| 15:47.01 | purl | It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shakes, the shakes become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. |
| 15:47.10 | malreth | hey, purl is working again |
| 15:47.56 | MoonWolf | ~botsnack |
| 15:47.56 | purl | MoonWolf: :) |
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| 15:55.16 | KiphereCE | Howdy! |
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| 15:56.42 | KiphereCE | Hows everyone enjoying TBC so far? |
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| 16:02.55 | Thunder_Child | It's fine |
| 16:03.36 | KiphereCE | I rolled a paladin on Auchindoun. Hit 55 yesterday and I'm still working on my UI. |
| 16:03.42 | KiphereCE | so much different than all the other classes I've played. |
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| 16:04.10 | KiphereCE | I set it up like my druid at first which just didn't work, then tried my shaman's UI, still no good. so I'm starting from scratch. |
| 16:04.27 | mahiro | hi all |
| 16:04.36 | mahiro | can someone help me with secure frames? |
| 16:05.26 | cladhaire | well, there's lots that can encompass |
| 16:05.32 | cladhaire | what specifically do you need? |
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| 16:06.22 | mahiro | well i tried to make a frame (which displays player health ) clickable so its selected as target but it doesent work |
| 16:07.16 | cladhaire | ok |
| 16:07.20 | cladhaire | can you pastey.net your code? |
| 16:07.23 | cladhaire | so we can look at it? |
| 16:07.30 | cladhaire | that's actually quite easy |
| 16:07.46 | mahiro | ok... just a moment |
| 16:11.32 | mahiro | http://pastey.net/6850 |
| 16:13.46 | KiphereCE | I need a mod that lets me assign party members certain buffs and when I'm nto in combat just hit that button and it buffs each member with whatever buff I selected for them :p |
| 16:13.57 | cladhaire | mahiro: Okay, and nothing works? |
| 16:14.24 | mahiro | correct |
| 16:16.03 | mahiro | well acctually everything works exept targeting that unit via the frame:/ |
| 16:16.38 | cladhaire | i dont see why it wouldn't work |
| 16:16.56 | cladhaire | in-game, dump HP_PLAYER_FRAME:GetAttribute("type1") and "unit1") |
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| 16:20.52 | KiphereCE | healbot looks hot. |
| 16:20.55 | KiphereCE | cant wait to get home and try that. |
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| 16:21.07 | cladhaire | its just another raid frame |
| 16:21.08 | cladhaire | *shrug* |
| 16:21.16 | mahiro | cladhaire: hmm no output for those:/ |
| 16:21.27 | cladhaire | then your onload isn't being called perhaps? |
| 16:21.38 | cladhaire | or something is happening after the fact? |
| 16:21.42 | cladhaire | you can use XML attributes instead if you'd like |
| 16:23.26 | KiphereCE | Well, I'm looking for osmething to help me manage my blessings better in groups. |
| 16:23.36 | mahiro | hmm if i add a msg to the onload its printed when i reloadui... so onload works? |
| 16:24.03 | KiphereCE | I tank mostly since I'm prot so I don't spend as much time looking at the unit bars as I should and I find myself slacking on buffs, I start to feel guilty after gettign buff requests for the 5th time in a group ;) |
| 16:24.38 | cladhaire | mahiro: Aye.. do you have any other code associated with that frame? |
| 16:24.43 | cladhaire | cause attributes don't just get overwritten |
| 16:25.43 | mahiro | cladhaire: you mean in the OnLoad section? |
| 16:25.54 | cladhaire | no, i mean period. |
| 16:26.27 | cladhaire | put the following in your OnLoad before gHUDOnLoad() |
| 16:27.49 | mahiro | hmm if i put |
| 16:27.49 | mahiro | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:27.50 | mahiro | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:28.26 | cladhaire | self:SetScript("OnAttributeChanged", function(f,k,v) ChatFrame1:AddMessage(k .. " - " .. tostring(v)) end) |
| 16:28.32 | cladhaire | that will tell you when the attributes change |
| 16:28.34 | cladhaire | including when you change them |
| 16:28.48 | cladhaire | it'll print out the attribute being changed, and what it was changed to. |
| 16:29.43 | mahiro | where should i place that? |
| 16:30.08 | cladhaire | like i said |
| 16:30.10 | cladhaire | in th eonload |
| 16:30.12 | cladhaire | before ghudonload |
| 16:30.17 | mahiro | ok |
| 16:32.54 | mahiro | type1 - target unit1 - player |
| 16:33.05 | cladhaire | and nothing else after that? |
| 16:33.14 | mahiro | nothing |
| 16:33.28 | cladhaire | ... |
| 16:33.37 | cladhaire | then i'm not sure what to tell you |
| 16:34.13 | mahiro | so it should work to select that unit when i push the frame right? |
| 16:34.20 | cladhaire | well |
| 16:34.30 | cladhaire | you said that dumping the attributes to the chat frame show they're not set when you get in game |
| 16:34.34 | cladhaire | which is why they don't work |
| 16:35.37 | mahiro | seems that i was wrong.... |
| 16:37.02 | cladhaire | ok |
| 16:37.42 | mahiro | you have any other ideas what could be wrong? |
| 16:37.51 | cladhaire | .. |
| 16:37.53 | cladhaire | what were you wrong about |
| 16:37.58 | cladhaire | .. |
| 16:38.27 | mahiro | that they werent set when i get ingame.... |
| 16:38.42 | cladhaire | okay |
| 16:38.49 | cladhaire | so both of those attributes are set? |
| 16:38.54 | cladhaire | oh |
| 16:38.56 | mahiro | yes |
| 16:38.58 | cladhaire | you redefine the onclick handlers. |
| 16:39.00 | cladhaire | you can't do that. |
| 16:39.37 | mahiro | hmm i dont have OnClick's o_O |
| 16:39.50 | mahiro | or what do you mean? |
| 16:40.07 | cladhaire | okay |
| 16:40.16 | cladhaire | i dont know tbh.. my brain is rather fried at the moment. |
| 16:40.29 | cladhaire | try type and unit |
| 16:40.32 | cladhaire | instead of type1 and unit1 |
| 16:40.40 | cladhaire | see if the general works any better |
| 16:40.41 | mahiro | kk |
| 16:40.46 | cladhaire | i dont see any reason why it shouldn't woork |
| 16:41.15 | mahiro | this secure thing starts to freak me out:/ |
| 16:41.24 | cladhaire | they're rather simple |
| 16:41.40 | mahiro | yes if it works.... |
| 16:41.49 | cladhaire | well, they always work |
| 16:41.51 | mahiro | type-target |
| 16:41.56 | mahiro | unit-player |
| 16:41.58 | cladhaire | if you start simple |
| 16:42.04 | cladhaire | and move up from there |
| 16:42.14 | mahiro | still nothing if i click the frame:/ |
| 16:42.57 | cladhaire | i'm not sure what to tell you |
| 16:43.05 | cladhaire | i'm sorry i dont have more time to look at it =/ |
| 16:43.19 | mahiro | no problem, thanks for your help |
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| 16:44.47 | cladhaire | sorry =( i'll try to come back later and see if you've gotten it |
| 16:44.53 | cladhaire | start from a basic example |
| 16:44.58 | cladhaire | no extra code |
| 16:45.02 | cladhaire | and build up from there. |
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| 16:50.53 | mahiro | kk i try that |
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| 17:41.26 | KiphereCE | Hai cogs! |
| 17:41.41 | KiphereCE | and Cairenn! |
| 17:41.49 | Cairenn | hi KiphereCE :) |
| 17:42.20 | KiphereCE | Haven't been around much :P The new guild has been eating a lot of my time. |
| 17:42.50 | Cairenn | Wait ... what ... you've been playing ... is that allowed? |
| 17:42.56 | KiphereCE | >_> |
| 17:42.58 | KiphereCE | <_< |
| 17:43.02 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 17:43.16 | KiphereCE | I rolled a belf paladin on Auchindoun and started a guild there with soem friends. |
| 17:43.54 | KiphereCE | It's going pretty well so far, 55 on the paladin and the guild has the makings of a couple solid 10man groups and with a few more invites a really good looking 25man group |
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| 17:44.38 | KiphereCE | Getting a lil more freetime though so time to start working on learning this stuff again ;) |
| 17:45.13 | KiphereCE | Btw, anyone know whats going on with Flex2? The sites down everytime I go and I can't find any info on it. |
| 17:45.17 | KiphereCE | Starting to think it was dropped. |
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| 17:47.39 | KiphereCE | oops |
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| 17:49.26 | cogwheel|work | I haven't paid much attention to FB since I started CogsBar... |
| 18:00.35 | malreth | well, 3 hours and the labs haven't blown up... i guess i win today |
| 18:01.18 | malreth | moving to my next site... later all |
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| 18:12.08 | Cairenn | Logging out of here, I want to get some in-game shots of the UI for LotRO and my machine just can't handle the processing load of everything I run all the time |
| 18:12.43 | cladhaire | bye Cairenn |
| 18:12.55 | Tain | You shall not pass! |
| 18:13.17 | Cairenn | I still want tangas with that on them! |
| 18:13.24 | Tain | :) |
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| 18:54.29 | Bouvi | What do you get if you go to: http://www.timelessrage.org/forums/index.php |
| 18:54.57 | Tain | Herpes? |
| 18:55.22 | Bouvi | *sigh* do you get some stupid site with flowers or a forum? |
| 18:55.31 | Tain | Flowers |
| 18:55.40 | Bouvi | Thanks |
| 18:55.59 | Bouvi | And LOL at the Herpes comment |
| 18:58.17 | Thunder_Child | looks like timelessrage.org has expired |
| 18:58.41 | Bouvi | I am trying to convince the owner it is not right lol. |
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| 19:17.59 | Mike-N-Go | My focus for farming has changed |
| 19:18.30 | Mike-N-Go | I now buy Trade Goods from others for cheep, process, and COD to someone else, DEers for example. |
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| 19:23.11 | Mike-N-Go | I just COD the same things to the same people, over, and over.... |
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| 19:51.26 | axxo | consumed i bet |
| 19:52.12 | Groll | i sure hope not :P wanna put mongoose enchant on it :P |
| 19:52.15 | haste | like in the good old <insert name on priest staff from MC> |
| 19:52.23 | Groll | and i seriously dont wanna do it three times :P |
| 19:52.24 | haste | s/$/ days/ |
| 19:52.32 | axxo | pritty sure its gone after |
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| 20:26.46 | mahiro | cladhaire: hi, i found the problem, had the health bar over the background frame which i wanted to make clickable:/ |
| 20:26.54 | cladhaire | That'd do it =) |
| 20:30.04 | mahiro | is there a standard to use to make clickcasting available? |
| 20:30.38 | cladhaire | yes |
| 20:30.42 | cladhaire | ClickCastFrames[frameObject] = true |
| 20:30.57 | cladhaire | tho you shoudl ensure the table exists first, i.e. ClickCastFrames = ClickCastFrames or {} |
| 20:31.18 | JoshBorke | purl, hug Cairenn |
| 20:31.21 | purl | ACTION sneaks up on Cairenn and suddenly hugs Cairenn tightly |
| 20:31.42 | Cairenn | :) |
| 20:31.46 | Cairenn | purl, hug JoshBorke |
| 20:31.48 | purl | ACTION sneaks up on JoshBorke and suddenly hugs JoshBorke tightly |
| 20:32.40 | mahiro | hmm ok... is somewhere a documentation for that? |
| 20:33.09 | JoshBorke | mahiro: there was a post on the warcraft forums |
| 20:33.30 | JoshBorke | mahiro: it's a psuedo standard that most programmers have tried to adhere to |
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| 20:36.19 | mahiro | ok i will take a look at taht |
| 20:37.48 | malreth | so, to fix my headache, my fiancee taped a little bitty seed to a specific point on my ear |
| 20:37.53 | malreth | and it hurts like hell |
| 20:37.56 | malreth | but my headache is gone |
| 20:38.05 | malreth | question: is this a net win? |
| 20:39.58 | malreth | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=77780998&sid=1 |
| 20:40.01 | malreth | just... wow |
| 20:40.33 | malreth | he loses me completely after the 22nd word |
| 20:45.51 | Cide | http://ctscreens.net/4939 - I like my luck today! |
| 20:48.31 | cladhaire | nice Cide |
| 20:48.51 | Cide | damn felweed messed up my spree |
| 20:48.55 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 20:49.45 | jaxdahl | doesn't seem like a lot of people use ctscreens. only 4939 screenshots? |
| 20:50.20 | malreth | well, it's not exactly a for-free service |
| 20:50.40 | jaxdahl | yeah i know |
| 20:50.55 | malreth | and if you ask my opinion, it'd be nice if there wasn't that sidebar on the left |
| 20:51.07 | Cairenn | okay, which has smaller compression ratio - .jpg or .bmp? anyone recall off the top of their head? |
| 20:51.14 | cladhaire | jpg |
| 20:51.17 | Cairenn | danke |
| 20:51.17 | malreth | if when you linked to an image like http://ctscreens.net/#### you got just the screenshot |
| 20:51.23 | Cairenn | that's what I though, just wanted to verify |
| 20:51.52 | jaxdahl | .bmp is not compressed at all |
| 20:51.56 | malreth | aaaah... urge to be pedantic... rising |
| 20:52.00 | malreth | greater |
| 20:52.02 | malreth | greater ratio |
| 20:52.05 | Cide | malreth: for-free service? |
| 20:52.25 | Cairenn | fine, which compresses to a smaller size - better? :p |
| 20:52.29 | Cide | jpeg |
| 20:52.31 | malreth | :D |
| 20:52.40 | Cairenn | lol |
| 20:52.56 | Cide | malreth: care to explain? |
| 20:53.11 | malreth | Cide: you have to upgrade your account ($) to post more screenshots, right? |
| 20:53.12 | jaxdahl | .bmp can actually store a jpg or png in it |
| 20:53.18 | jaxdahl | malreth, and to hotlink |
| 20:53.28 | Cide | malreth: yes |
| 20:53.33 | Cide | you can have 5 simultaneous screenshots |
| 20:53.36 | Cide | when not upgraded |
| 20:53.46 | malreth | yeah... i was explaining why there weren't more screens hosted on ctscreens |
| 20:53.56 | malreth | that factors into it |
| 20:54.02 | Cide | the whole point is that you don't run out of bandwidth after 5 seconds |
| 20:54.10 | malreth | yeah |
| 20:54.23 | malreth | no, there are good reasons why you have it as a paid service |
| 20:54.24 | Cide | I don't think anyone actually links more than 5 screenshots at once on the wow forums |
| 20:54.28 | malreth | i don't deny that |
| 20:54.42 | malreth | this was a statement of fact, not one of value |
| 20:55.12 | Cide | I wouldn't call "it's not exactly a for-free service" a statement of fact |
| 20:55.38 | cladhaire | its no less free than imageshack.us |
| 20:55.48 | cladhaire | or any other image "hosting" website |
| 20:55.56 | cladhaire | you pay the same cost at all of them |
| 20:56.01 | cladhaire | or rather, the same class of costs. |
| 20:56.16 | malreth | well, can't deny that... |
| 20:56.24 | cladhaire | so whats the point in saying anything? |
| 20:56.24 | cladhaire | =) |
| 20:56.37 | JoshBorke | i like to hear myself talk |
| 20:56.42 | JoshBorke | or in this case, read my own text |
| 20:56.44 | malreth | well, you may not know me very well, but i am actually incapable of saying nothing |
| 20:56.45 | JoshBorke | but that's just me |
| 20:56.48 | malreth | :D |
| 20:56.51 | JoshBorke | it's true! |
| 20:56.53 | Cide | doesn't really matter, I'm just curious why people would think it's not free |
| 20:56.55 | JoshBorke | i've never seen malreth quiet! |
| 20:57.02 | malreth | hahah! |
| 20:57.11 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 20:57.15 | Cide | it just doesn't have the same selling point as the other image hosting sites |
| 20:57.16 | malreth | well, let's take for instance flickr... it's not a free service |
| 20:57.25 | cladhaire | ... |
| 20:57.27 | cladhaire | yes it is. |
| 20:57.28 | cladhaire | wtf |
| 20:57.37 | cladhaire | lol |
| 20:57.51 | cladhaire | then fine, |
| 20:57.53 | cladhaire | nothing is free |
| 20:57.57 | cladhaire | everything has a cost associated with it |
| 20:58.00 | cladhaire | on hosted web services. |
| 20:58.09 | JoshBorke | good thing you added that last line |
| 20:58.13 | cladhaire | =) |
| 20:58.20 | malreth | ok ok... |
| 20:58.42 | malreth | so, you can also use flickr for free in as much as you can use ctscreens for free |
| 20:58.45 | cladhaire | next I'm going to argue the validity of the average human face having a pair of eyes and a nose. |
| 20:58.50 | malreth | both have limitations on their free access, though |
| 20:58.52 | cladhaire | yes. |
| 20:58.56 | cladhaire | as does every single web service. |
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| 20:59.01 | malreth | correct |
| 20:59.01 | cladhaire | well |
| 20:59.02 | cladhaire | mostl. |
| 20:59.04 | cladhaire | so. |
| 20:59.09 | cladhaire | why are we talking about it? |
| 20:59.15 | malreth | so why would I use ctscreens over flickr |
| 20:59.29 | cladhaire | malreth: Because is specifically for the wow community? |
| 20:59.34 | malreth | ok |
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| 20:59.39 | cladhaire | why woudl anyone host a private svn when they can use googlecode or sourceforge? |
| 20:59.43 | cladhaire | because they can tailor it to their needs |
| 20:59.50 | cladhaire | etc, etc. |
| 21:00.03 | malreth | ctscreens has the ability to vote and rate screens |
| 21:00.11 | malreth | something that might have value to the wow community |
| 21:00.20 | cladhaire | i know you said you can't keep your mouth shut.. but i also have a problem with comments like the ones you made, especially when they have absolutely no point or validity. |
| 21:00.42 | malreth | well, what do you really want me to say? |
| 21:00.45 | cladhaire | nothing? |
| 21:00.46 | malreth | flickr is free? |
| 21:00.48 | malreth | ok |
| 21:00.50 | malreth | It's free |
| 21:00.53 | malreth | so is ctscreens |
| 21:01.09 | malreth | so |
| 21:01.15 | cladhaire | this is very simple. |
| 21:01.19 | cladhaire | you said it wasn't used because its not free. |
| 21:01.22 | cladhaire | then what's being used? |
| 21:01.28 | cladhaire | and why is it being used over ctscreens? |
| 21:01.30 | malreth | ah, good question |
| 21:01.37 | malreth | so imageshack gets used a lot |
| 21:01.54 | cladhaire | yes, and runs out of bandwidth in 2 seconds, as can be evidenced by any linked screenshot in the wow forums |
| 21:01.55 | Cide | which is probably the worst image hosting site in existance |
| 21:01.57 | cladhaire | and people get chastised for using it. |
| 21:02.12 | cladhaire | so the poster pays no "cost" but every subsequent viewer does. |
| 21:02.26 | Cide | this conversation is unnecessary |
| 21:02.30 | cladhaire | yes |
| 21:02.32 | Cide | I was just curious why people would think it's not free |
| 21:02.45 | cladhaire | Cide: Any my problem is people talking "shit" with nothing behind it |
| 21:02.48 | cladhaire | its always my problem |
| 21:02.51 | cladhaire | it just irks me. |
| 21:02.57 | malreth | whoa... |
| 21:02.59 | Cide | yeah, I understand :) |
| 21:03.03 | malreth | i'm not talking shit about no one |
| 21:03.09 | JoshBorke | oh! cladhaire! i have a question for you |
| 21:03.12 | Cide | just saying |
| 21:03.15 | malreth | pfft |
| 21:03.19 | malreth | whatever y'all |
| 21:03.25 | JoshBorke | cladhaire: in PRaid 2.0 beta. is it possible to change the scale? |
| 21:03.31 | cladhaire | malreth: "well, it's not exactly a for-free service" |
| 21:03.33 | JoshBorke | and i like the fading in :-D |
| 21:03.44 | Cide | malreth: don't worry |
| 21:03.45 | cladhaire | I challenge that that really has nothing to do with anything |
| 21:03.55 | cladhaire | Josh_Borke: Yeah, in the frame editor, you can change the scale |
| 21:04.00 | cladhaire | bottom left of the options screen |
| 21:04.07 | JoshBorke | frame editor huh, let me go looksie :_) |
| 21:04.08 | Cide | malreth: I'm just curious why this "misconception" (if you will) exists |
| 21:05.02 | malreth | well, i guess you can call it a perceived notion about ctscreens |
| 21:05.11 | cladhaire | In my experience, it boils down to, those who are in uber leet guilds host their own screenshots. Those who don't know or don't care use whatever is easiest or most "visible", that being imagedump or imageshack. |
| 21:05.28 | cladhaire | I don't think anyone looks at imageshack or ctscreens and does a feature comparison before deciding where to host their screenshots. |
| 21:05.39 | malreth | here... it seems "less free" to me. I'll make no judgement about it's "freeness" with regards or in comparison to other image hosting sites |
| 21:05.51 | cladhaire | especially considering one allows unconverted uploads of .tga |
| 21:06.13 | cladhaire | malreth: Without comparing it to anything, the "free-ness" of the site means nothing |
| 21:06.18 | malreth | but i'm mostly a flickr user |
| 21:06.18 | cladhaire | by definition |
| 21:06.23 | JoshBorke | cladhaire: OH! now i get it. didn't realize the list of classes was selectable :_) |
| 21:06.25 | malreth | so let's compare it to flickr |
| 21:06.33 | cladhaire | Josh_Borke: yeah, sorry |
| 21:06.50 | cladhaire | malreth: I know the feature set of both quite well. |
| 21:07.00 | cladhaire | but find me posts in the forums that frequently link flickr screenshots. |
| 21:07.02 | JoshBorke | no no, it's totally cool :_) |
| 21:07.05 | malreth | course... i may stop using flickr because i hve to get a yahoo id... that's a lot annoying |
| 21:07.16 | cladhaire | its not exactly being used widespread for forum linkage to screenshots. |
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| 21:07.56 | malreth | yeah... it doesn't |
| 21:08.40 | cladhaire | i'm just asserting that the "free-ness" of ctscreens.net (which is still pretty damn free, considering) has little to do with its widespread use. |
| 21:09.06 | cladhaire | and there aren't private parties where people discuss the benefits of each of the image hosting websites =) |
| 21:09.42 | malreth | probably the appeal of imageshack is it's existing widespread use |
| 21:09.51 | malreth | but that much is proably obvious |
| 21:09.57 | malreth | probably... |
| 21:09.58 | cladhaire | you use what is most often used. |
| 21:10.11 | cladhaire | and ctscreens hasn't exactly gone on a widespead marketing campaign |
| 21:10.15 | malreth | true |
| 21:10.21 | cladhaire | but.. for people that can only link 5 screenshots, having 4k isn't that shabby |
| 21:10.22 | JoshBorke | GD! THAT IS HOT! |
| 21:10.33 | cladhaire | and its seving the need for those people, which is all one can hope for |
| 21:10.34 | cladhaire | *shrug* |
| 21:10.41 | malreth | yep |
| 21:10.53 | cladhaire | pastey.net works for us, and a bunch of other sites, while pastebin.ca and pastebin.com work for others, depending on whats more frequently used. |
| 21:10.55 | cladhaire | mob mentality, and all |
| 21:11.07 | malreth | but there doesn't seem to be a compelling reason to use ctscreens over anything else |
| 21:11.16 | malreth | you get image voting with CTscreens |
| 21:11.19 | malreth | and comments |
| 21:11.27 | cladhaire | versus imagelink there's a huge reason |
| 21:11.28 | malreth | but what features actually get used? |
| 21:11.31 | cladhaire | versus flickr, maybe not. |
| 21:11.34 | malreth | ad-free |
| 21:11.44 | cladhaire | the fact that ctscreens doesn't kill your image due to bandwidth is _the_ reason for me. |
| 21:11.46 | malreth | that's an advantage of ct |
| 21:12.04 | malreth | true... but flickr has that too |
| 21:12.07 | cladhaire | yes |
| 21:12.11 | cladhaire | and neither are widely used =) |
| 21:12.20 | malreth | well, neither are widely used on wow forums |
| 21:12.20 | cladhaire | making this whole conversation somewhat meaningless ;-) |
| 21:12.27 | cladhaire | well, that's what we're discussing. |
| 21:12.32 | malreth | flickr is very widely used... but with a different audience |
| 21:12.45 | Xuerian | flickr also had a policy against screenshots, didn't it? |
| 21:13.21 | malreth | flickr will host any image... but an image that is found to be a screenshot won't get linked from the main page or something... |
| 21:13.25 | malreth | lemme look that up |
| 21:15.32 | malreth | the ToS is a bit vague on that... |
| 21:16.05 | malreth | i guess they could terminate your account if you host screenshots on flickr and direct link to them from an external site without a backlink |
| 21:16.27 | malreth | sorry... direct link the img itself |
| 21:16.54 | malreth | but if you just provide the link to the image page like you would on the WoW forums anyways, then there's no beef |
| 21:17.01 | malreth | well, regardless |
| 21:17.09 | malreth | so... |
| 21:18.04 | malreth | CTscreens appeals to the class of wow players that have 5 or fewer screenshots to host and don't care that their images will expire after 20 people click on them |
| 21:18.32 | cladhaire | ... |
| 21:18.55 | cladhaire | since when do they "Expire"? |
| 21:18.59 | malreth | sorry... that came out wierd |
| 21:19.10 | malreth | well, it came out wrong |
| 21:19.32 | malreth | but you know what i meant... i meant the right thing. |
| 21:19.34 | malreth | :p |
| 21:19.41 | cladhaire | no, actually, I'm not sure what you meant |
| 21:19.46 | cladhaire | which is why i questioned it =) |
| 21:20.39 | malreth | ctscreens would appeal to the class of wow forum posters that have 5 or fewer screenshots and want their images to last indefinately |
| 21:20.52 | cladhaire | ok |
| 21:23.09 | cladhaire | i would just again, assert that the "cost" of not being able to host more than 5 screenshots isn't really valid.. there are too many other factors that come into play. That's just opinion of course. |
| 21:23.43 | malreth | well, you |
| 21:23.59 | cladhaire | it has a focused use, and I feel like that's completely valid *shrug* |
| 21:24.00 | malreth | you'd have to analyze how many paid accounts there were to free accounts |
| 21:24.14 | malreth | i never said anything a bout validity |
| 21:24.17 | malreth | about |
| 21:24.22 | malreth | i need more sugar |
| 21:24.26 | cladhaire | I did, I didnt say you did =) |
| 21:24.32 | malreth | ah... kk |
| 21:25.04 | malreth | i'd also be interested in how "saturated" the free accounts were |
| 21:25.21 | malreth | what's the average number of screens per free user |
| 21:25.37 | cladhaire | well being a paid service that information probably isn't available for business reasons |
| 21:25.48 | malreth | the turnover rate on screens since you can just delete old ones for new ones |
| 21:25.53 | cladhaire | It just seems to fill a valid niche |
| 21:26.16 | malreth | and the freshness of accounts... how many have been updated/used in the past 1,3, and 6 months |
| 21:26.31 | cladhaire | all great information |
| 21:26.41 | malreth | but that's cide's perogative |
| 21:27.01 | cladhaire | speaking as if you're an authority on the matter,l and that the limit of 5 screenshots per free acount is somehow the basis for the site not being as widely used as jaxdahl feels it should be, is where I took issue. |
| 21:27.12 | cladhaire | We can return the channel back to its regularly scheduled idling now |
| 21:29.12 | malreth | well, i'll ask *you* the question, then. what would you speculate is the answer to jaxdahl's question? |
| 21:29.12 | malreth | since all we can reallyy do is speculate anyways |
| 21:29.44 | malreth | i mean, no harm in speculating... and I'm actually interested in what you think. |
| 21:34.35 | JoshBorke | so Cairenn, what lvl is your draenei? |
| 21:34.52 | Cairenn | ummm, think I got her up to 10 last night |
| 21:34.53 | MoonWolf_ | commence random topic change! |
| 21:35.38 | foxlit | Random api quiz: name any GetPlayerBuff* function that accepts a buff name |
| 21:36.39 | foxlit | [A possible answer was GetPlayerBuffName, hilarity ensues] |
| 21:37.42 | malreth | GetPlayerBuffTexture |
| 21:38.01 | malreth | but I cheated |
| 21:38.10 | malreth | hell, i don't know squat about the WoW api |
| 21:38.19 | malreth | i don't even play WoW... what am I saying!?! |
| 21:38.34 | cladhaire | malreth: I would say the reason ctscreens isn't widely used is because the only place its gotten any exposure is in the raid and dungeons forum, which is split between uber guilds that have their own hosting, and more casual forum goers. |
| 21:38.54 | malreth | ah... So CTscreens is like Disco Stu |
| 21:39.25 | malreth | ~wiki Disco Stu |
| 21:39.59 | JoshBorke | ~dict anomaly |
| 21:42.10 | foxlit | It's type="macro", macrotext="blah" to execute a macro from a secure actionbutton, right? |
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| 21:43.10 | cladhaire | foxlit: yes |
| 21:43.35 | JoshBorke | cladhaire: have you done kara on your priest? |
| 21:43.48 | cladhaire | no I haven't, just my drood |
| 21:44.10 | JoshBorke | bah humbug |
| 21:44.48 | JoshBorke | cide: you're a priest right? |
| 21:44.55 | Cide | yes |
| 21:45.06 | JoshBorke | you've done kara on your priest, right? |
| 21:45.19 | Cide | yes |
| 21:45.36 | JoshBorke | what stats would you recommend for a healing priest going in? |
| 21:45.45 | Cide | +healing |
| 21:45.50 | Cide | over pretty much anything else |
| 21:45.54 | JoshBorke | how much? |
| 21:45.55 | Cide | stam is nice for some fights too |
| 21:45.59 | Cide | +1500? |
| 21:46.08 | Cide | is what some of our priests are running at |
| 21:46.10 | JoshBorke | mmk |
| 21:46.27 | JoshBorke | we stepped in for the second time on saturday and were able to get midnight down our second attempt |
| 21:46.38 | JoshBorke | we then spent a total of 6 hours wiping on moroes |
| 21:46.49 | Cide | how many priests did you have there? |
| 21:46.51 | Cide | and paladins? |
| 21:46.53 | JoshBorke | because we couldn't keep up with the DPS |
| 21:47.04 | Cide | and what strategy did you use? :P |
| 21:47.04 | JoshBorke | for moroes? first night 3 priests |
| 21:47.28 | Cide | +healing is the best stat for most fights |
| 21:47.30 | JoshBorke | first night we shackled 3 to start DPS'd down all but the warrior |
| 21:47.47 | JoshBorke | by then we were OOM, our MT died, and we wiped |
| 21:48.10 | Cide | yeah |
| 21:48.17 | JoshBorke | and it got worse as the evening went on and our 'best' priest got drunker and drunker |
| 21:48.17 | Cide | on moroes you shackle as many adds as you have priests |
| 21:48.25 | Cide | and then burn him down |
| 21:48.30 | Cide | while the priests keep their adds shackled |
| 21:48.46 | Cide | and then you kill them after the fight |
| 21:49.02 | JoshBorke | our final 2 attempts we tried leaving 2 shackled and only DPS'ing down 2 of the adds |
| 21:49.23 | JoshBorke | i had 10k mana, 900 healing, and 160mana/5 while casting |
| 21:49.46 | Cide | +healing helps more than anything else on that fight |
| 21:49.49 | JoshBorke | that's with flasks buffs etc |
| 21:49.55 | JoshBorke | oh, and 0 paladins, both nights |
| 21:50.18 | JoshBorke | but like half the raid were dwarves, lol |
| 21:50.29 | Cide | paladins are godly for BoP |
| 21:50.44 | JoshBorke | yea, that's what i figured |
| 21:50.53 | JoshBorke | i would have traded our drunk priest for a holy paladin in a heart-beat |
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| 21:51.07 | Cide | but you also want 3 priests if possible |
| 21:51.16 | Cide | or 4, but that's a bit too much probably |
| 21:51.20 | JoshBorke | seems like 3 priests would make it easy mode |
| 21:51.37 | Cide | a lot of the fights are a lot easier with a stacked raid |
| 21:52.01 | Cide | basically you don't want at most 1 melee (other than main tank) on curator |
| 21:52.11 | Cide | s/don't// |
| 21:52.29 | JoshBorke | i would think prayer of mending would help take care of that though |
| 21:52.39 | Cide | on what fight? |
| 21:52.47 | JoshBorke | curator's aura |
| 21:52.53 | Cide | curator doesn't have an aura |
| 21:53.56 | JoshBorke | maybe i'm thinking of maiden |
| 21:53.56 | Mike-N-Go | How long is the Lunar Festivities? |
| 21:53.56 | Cide | but melee do take a bit more damage on curator |
| 21:53.56 | JoshBorke | yea, i was thinking maiden |
| 21:53.57 | Cide | the biggest problem with melee on curator though, is that if you don't have the dps to kill the adds that spawn in 10 seconds, you wipe |
| 21:53.57 | Cide | and the adds go all over the place usually, so melee have to run around and chase them down - effective dps: 0 |
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| 21:54.54 | JoshBorke | i'll be happy just to see moroes dead :-D |
| 21:55.03 | JoshBorke | and what's up with teh lack of +healing belt pieces? |
| 21:55.05 | Cide | yeah, get 3 priests would be my best suggestion |
| 21:55.16 | Cide | and a paladin |
| 21:55.51 | Cide | if ranged dps gets garrote, put them 20 yards away from everyone else (while still in range of moroes) and use PoM on them |
| 21:56.10 | JoshBorke | oo, good idea |
| 21:56.27 | JoshBorke | i was also thinking that they wouldn't need a heal but once every 10 seconds, but PoM is better |
| 21:56.53 | foxlit | What's wrong with this line: |
| 21:56.54 | foxlit | SetOverrideBindingClick(UIParent, 1, "~", "CM"); |
| 21:56.57 | Cide | if you have someone with 8pc transcendence, use that and have that priest heal the garrote targets exclusively pretty much |
| 21:57.38 | Cide | you can't keep them up with PoM alone |
| 21:59.21 | JoshBorke | yea. it really sounds like we just need more +healing gear |
| 22:00.51 | Cide | with tanks at 14k+ health, your overheal should be a ton less than pre-BC |
| 22:01.13 | Cide | another idea would be to bring a shadow priest and put all garrote targets in that group |
| 22:01.42 | JoshBorke | we weren't even getting far enough that garrote was really an issue |
| 22:01.49 | foxlit | Introducing the most _evil_ WoW-2.0 compatible code |
| 22:01.50 | foxlit | http://wowi.pastey.net/6865-u1g4 |
| 22:01.58 | JoshBorke | i wasn't able to stop spamming greater heal on the MT long enough to heal someone else usually |
| 22:02.12 | Cide | sounds like your MT needs either a better spec or better gear |
| 22:03.12 | JoshBorke | probably gear |
| 22:03.38 | JoshBorke | our offtank warrior has around 13k buffed health. dunno much more than that though. |
| 22:04.44 | Cide | mitigation and avoidance plays a bigger part though |
| 22:05.05 | Cide | health reduces overheal, but mitigation & avoidance reduces the necessary amount of heals in the first place |
| 22:05.11 | Cide | s/plays/play/ |
| 22:05.25 | JoshBorke | dunno what he currently has |
| 22:05.28 | JoshBorke | maybe i'll ask him later |
| 22:05.47 | Cide | but yeah |
| 22:06.01 | Cide | I think you're running out of mana because you're killing too many adds as well |
| 22:06.03 | JoshBorke | i figured our biggest block right now is gear |
| 22:08.44 | JoshBorke | have you done netherspite cide? please tell me that is as much fun as it looks like |
| 22:08.52 | Cide | I haven't |
| 22:08.56 | Cide | my guild has but I've been sleeping |
| 22:09.02 | JoshBorke | sleep is good :-P |
| 22:09.14 | Cide | raids start 2:30am so...! |
| 22:09.21 | JoshBorke | aye de mi! |
| 22:16.55 | JoshBorke | huh. i see all this gear for keepers of time online, but not on their quartermaster =/ |
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| 22:26.14 | Tain | Making steak for dinner. Yay tasty meat! |
| 22:26.56 | malreth | MEAT! |
| 22:27.14 | TC-blorb | lol, meat and run |
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| 23:02.34 | mahiro | cladhaire: i have a problem with the target frame if i enter combat and during combat. when im not in combat and an enemy attacks, the bar does not show for the target, have i missed something with the secure frame? |
| 23:12.03 | cladhaire | mahiro: What bar? |
| 23:12.09 | cladhaire | mahiro: You can't hide or show secure frames in combat |
| 23:12.41 | cladhaire | if you need to do it in response to a unit existing, you can RegisterUnitWatch(frameObject) |
| 23:12.48 | cladhaire | as long as it has the "unit" attribute set at the time of registration. |
| 23:13.43 | mahiro | cladhaire: hmm before i added the secure frame i had no problem to show hide the target frame in combat.... |
| 23:13.54 | cladhaire | well, that's a fundamental limitation of secure frames. |
| 23:13.57 | cladhaire | you can't show or hide them in combat. |
| 23:14.02 | cladhaire | otherwise decursive is trivial |
| 23:16.05 | mahiro | so how do i implement this RegisterUnitWatch? do i have to put that in the event hanlder? |
| 23:16.13 | cladhaire | no |
| 23:16.15 | cladhaire | you do it onload |
| 23:16.17 | cladhaire | just call it once |
| 23:16.19 | cladhaire | and it magically works |
| 23:16.30 | mahiro | ok... |
| 23:16.43 | cladhaire | it was written give you a way to show and hide based on unit existance |
| 23:17.38 | mahiro | so i can put this in the OnLoad? |
| 23:18.12 | cladhaire | yes |
| 23:18.28 | mahiro | thx |
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| 23:20.49 | cladhaire | Can anyone pinpoint an easy way for me to get poisoned? |
| 23:21.02 | cladhaire | i'm in zangarmarsh.. anyone you can think of that poisons readily? |
| 23:21.47 | mahiro | spiders in terrokhar forrest have poison |
| 23:21.57 | cladhaire | ah, good point |
| 23:22.51 | cladhaire | thanks. |
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| 23:22.59 | mahiro | np;D |
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| 23:44.07 | JoshBorke | cladhaire: is it intentional that when you don't have anything highlighted on the frame editor for praid that it edits the |
| 23:44.14 | JoshBorke | bah, stupid backspace being about the enter key |
| 23:44.25 | JoshBorke | it edits the top line (well the only line for me) |
| 23:44.26 | cladhaire | if it's not intuitive, then no, it would be a bug =) |
| 23:44.56 | JoshBorke | no no, not a bug. then i'd have to report it and make sure it actually is doing what it's doing etc |
| 23:45.05 | JoshBorke | it's a feature for teh lazy ones :-D |
| 23:45.14 | cladhaire | heh |
| 23:45.38 | JoshBorke | how's the book clad? |
| 23:45.59 | cladhaire | Josh_Borke: All written |
| 23:46.04 | cladhaire | Josh_Borke: I'm in author review at the moment |
| 23:46.07 | JoshBorke | ah! that's what i was guessing :-D |
| 23:46.19 | cladhaire | Can't say its up to my standards.. but its not crap |
| 23:46.22 | JoshBorke | what with all the time you've actually spent hanging around here- |
| 23:46.32 | cladhaire | no |
| 23:46.35 | cladhaire | me hanging around here |
| 23:46.38 | cladhaire | is because of the book |
| 23:46.41 | cladhaire | i need to get away from it |
| 23:46.48 | cladhaire | just finished my FocusFrame addon for the chapter |
| 23:46.50 | cladhaire | had to rewrite it |
| 23:46.57 | cladhaire | trying to get this chapter done by tomorrow |
| 23:47.08 | JoshBorke | ah, i see |
| 23:47.40 | cladhaire | LFG: http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=10634 PST |
| 23:48.09 | cladhaire | so I installed Vista on my mac today, just for gits and shiggles. |
| 23:49.30 | JoshBorke | hey! i just did that quest last night |
| 23:49.33 | JoshBorke | was like 8 of us |
| 23:50.07 | cladhaire | yeah |
| 23:50.11 | cladhaire | i cannot find anyone to help |
| 23:50.16 | cladhaire | and i want my blue spectrecles! |
| 23:50.23 | JoshBorke | i'd come help you, but you're a horde drood |
| 23:50.27 | JoshBorke | probably feral spec too |
| 23:50.56 | cladhaire | you woudn't know my spec unless i went kitty =) |
| 23:51.13 | cladhaire | or rawr |
| 23:51.18 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 23:55.50 | Shadowed | cladhaire: Do you happen to know of any addons that use Dongle for custom event registering/firing? |
| 23:56.03 | cladhaire | dongle itself does |
| 23:56.04 | cladhaire | and Clique uses |
| 23:56.21 | Shadowed | hrm must have missed it in Clique |
| 23:56.31 | cladhaire | http://www.wowwiki.com/Dongle/Messages |
| 23:57.11 | Shadowed | now to figure out how to get all of this to work! |
| 23:57.23 | cladhaire | whatcha trying to do?. |
| 23:57.26 | cladhaire | just fire your own events?> |
| 23:57.29 | cladhaire | err messages |
| 23:57.49 | Shadowed | Trying to move name plate stuff to a library that would fire events for stuff like a new one being created, shown, hide, ect |
| 23:57.58 | cladhaire | aye |
| 23:58.11 | cladhaire | all you need is RegisterMessage() and TriggerMessage() |
| 23:58.30 | cladhaire | but you may want to go library agnostic for the best adoption |
| 23:58.32 | cladhaire | custom message dispatch is rather easy |
| 23:59.59 | cladhaire | I can help you with anything you'd like, and you're welcome to use DongleStub |
