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`00:02.43`	`bleetah`	`I'm still convinced http://www.wowhead.com/?item=23587 is the best hat in the game`
`00:03.50`	`bleetah`	`http://www.wowhead.com/?item=23584 is a stunningly effective booze ;)`
`00:04.19`	`scotepi`	`if i have a chain of functions run.. and put a break in there does it cancle the chain? like in php?`
`00:06.52`	`scotepi`	`like i have this.. http://wowi.pastey.net/6672 can i just replace IsSpam = true with die to cancle the function?`
`00:07.52`	`Kindari_`	`how does "button" differ from "frame"`
`00:08.11`	`Cide`	`button is derived from frame`
`00:08.56`	`Cide`	`and has a few extra things (such as different textures for when it's hovered over, being clicked, etc.)`
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`00:09.21`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`you can emulate the button behavior with frames right? but buttons makes it easier?`
`00:09.24`	`Cide`	`also has a bunch of specific methods (:Click(), :Enable(), :Disable(), etc.)`
`00:09.36`	`Cide`	`mostly`
`00:09.49`	`Cide`	`if you only want the basic behavior sure`
`00:09.53`	`Cide`	`but it sounds counterproductive`
`00:10.24`	`Cide`	`you also have CheckButton which is derived from Button`
`00:10.28`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`its not a question of whether it can or not, i was pretty much just wondering if Button was a child or a subset of frame with specific methods added to it`
`00:10.40`	`bleetah`	`gmorn Nom-`
`00:10.51`	`scotepi`	`how do you use die in lua? im trying if (2 == 1 then die end Output("it kept running :(") but im getting '=' expected near end`
`00:11.07`	`Cide`	`assert(2 == 1)`
`00:11.15`	`bleetah`	`hmm, gazmik's reagent cost is bust for 2.0.7... can anyone confirm?`
`00:11.22`	`scotepi`	`with the )`
`00:11.48`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`would be just easier to do a assert(false);`
`00:12.14`	`Cide`	`yes, but he used if ( 2 == 1 ) then, so I figured I'd use the same`
`00:12.16`	`scotepi`	`im gona use it in loops and stuff`
`00:12.25`	`Cide`	`assert(false) -- die`
`00:12.35`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`why would you want to use it in loops`
`00:12.45`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`dieing stops further processing of your script`
`00:13.09`	`scotepi`	`like in here http://wowi.pastey.net/6672 it can loop 30 or so times.. id like it just to completly exit when it finds it`
`00:13.22`	`scotepi`	`the 2 == 1 was jsut to test what die does`
`00:13.35`	`Cide`	`you probably want break then`
`00:13.50`	`scotepi`	`will that break the loop or function?`
`00:13.55`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`exit the the loop`
`00:13.58`	`Cide`	`break stops the current loop (for, while, repeat)`
`00:14.00`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`uh it will exit the innermost loop`
`00:14.18`	`Cide`	`yes - be aware that it's only the innermost one, like Tierrie\|Work said`
`00:14.21`	`scotepi`	`is there a way to exit the function?`
`00:14.25`	`Cide`	`return`
`00:14.30`	`scotepi`	`ah, k`
`00:17.03`	`scotepi`	`are addon messages alwase recived in the order there sent? or can they get mixed up with lag?`
`00:18.01`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`that's a complex question`
`00:18.17`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`if they are all within the same function they are always received in the order they were sent`
`00:18.44`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`if they are not, and each function is triggered by different events, they are still received in the order they are sent, but the triggering may be out of your expected order`
`00:18.46`	`scotepi`	`yeah, my mod send addon messages rt1-rt3 in the same function`
`00:18.54`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`oh ok refer to the former then`
`00:19.36`	`scotepi`	`is it bad to use 3 diffetn names for addon messages? i have to break myne up for langth so i do RT1-RT3 parts 1-3`
`00:19.40`	`Nom-`	`ROFL`
`00:19.43`	`Nom-`	`Best team ever.`
`00:20.03`	`Nom-`	`My boss put someone's mobile phone in the roof cavity as a practical joke`
`00:20.06`	`Nom-`	`Funniest thing ever`
`00:20.53`	`[dRaCo]`	`why don't you send an ID yourself?`
`00:21.01`	`scotepi`	`i do but its anoying`
`00:21.10`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`scotepi: i don't understand what you mean by "use 3 different names for addon messages".`
`00:21.28`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`Nom-: above the ceiling panels?`
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`00:21.41`	`scotepi`	`i have part 1 of the message sent as RT1 and part 2 as RT2 and 3 as RT3`
`00:21.55`	`Nom-`	`it's actually sitting in the air con vent which comes out next to the lights`
`00:23.29`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`scotepi: there's nothing bad about it besides the fact that it will all take up one line and may be annoying`
`00:23.38`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`Nom-: funny :)`
`00:27.21`	`bleetah`	`worked at a place once where the only local (ie, aussie) with the key to the safe for the escrow (was the programming lead) had gone on leave for a week, and left his mobile phone in the safe too. Problem was, he'd set it to beep once a minute when there was a pending message for him :-/`
`00:27.31`	`bleetah`	`and the safe was far from soundproof`
`00:27.47`	`bleetah`	`so we made it portable`
`00:33.39`	`scotepi`	`grrr... my addon just started geting CT errors again ><`
`00:34.33`	`bleetah`	`I blame cide's lack of supplying me with coffee`
`00:34.46`	`Cide`	`scotepi: um?`
`00:34.47`	`scotepi`	`CT_Cor_Chat.lua has something majorly wrong with it... i keep getting differnt msg a nil value errors`
`00:35.02`	`Cide`	`perhaps you should give me the error message then`
`00:35.22`	`scotepi`	`CT_Core_Chat.lua:116 attempt to concatenate local 'msg' (a nil value)`
`00:35.41`	`scotepi`	`wtf is concatenate`
`00:36.00`	`Cide`	`defaultMessageFunction(self, "["..tonumber(date("%I"))..date(":%M] ") .. msg, ...);`
`00:36.15`	`scotepi`	`oh its the time stamps`
`00:36.35`	`scotepi`	`is it becuse im trying to add a message thats nil?`
`00:36.42`	`Cide`	`apparently`
`00:36.48`	`scotepi`	`yeah`
`00:36.49`	`Cide`	`some mod is trying to print nil messages`
`00:36.56`	`scotepi`	`myne ><`
`00:37.23`	`scotepi`	`is there gona be a fix for that? its kind of anoying for debuging`
`00:37.31`	`Deathface`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:37.42`	`Cide`	`I would say that's a bug on your part, is it not? :)`
`00:37.53`	`Cide`	`I'll add checking, since it's not very user friendly`
`00:37.56`	`scotepi`	`shouldnt i be abble to print a blank line?`
`00:38.02`	`Cide`	`""`
`00:38.27`	`scotepi`	`if im trying to print a string if its blank i get the error`
`00:38.39`	`Cide`	`you don't get the error when printing ""`
`00:39.54`	`Cide`	`actually, in order to print an empty line you need to print " "`
`00:40.00`	`Cide`	`"" and nil both do nothing`
`00:40.22`	`scotepi`	`adding if not msg then msg = ""; end fixed it`
`00:40.59`	`Cide`	`obviously`
`00:42.09`	`Cide`	`I wouldn't try displaying nil messages though (but it's "fixed" for the next version of CT_Core)`
`00:42.47`	`scotepi`	`i just added the chesks to my display functions`
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`00:43.10`	`Legorol`	`ckknight: ping`
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`00:50.18`	`scotepi`	`is there a limit that a addond can only do SendAddonMessage twice in a row?`
`00:51.37`	`Cide`	`no`
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`00:54.01`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`you can send infinite SendAddonMessages until the person shows up at your house and takes you out`
`00:55.12`	`scotepi`	`hmm i think i broke my if statement`
`00:55.59`	`scotepi`	`yeah.. that was it >< adding 3 ors broke it :(`
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`00:56.19`	`Subhuman1`	`hey i need help`
`00:56.32`	`Cairenn`	`hi, welcome to the channel, how are you?`
`00:56.33`	`Cairenn`	`;)`
`00:56.38`	`Xuerian`	`Little johnny wants to become human, we've got to help him!`
`00:56.51`	`bleetah`	`~impressiveclergyman`
`00:56.56`	`purl`	`Mawage. Mawage is wot bwings us togeder tooday. Mawage, that bwessed awangment, that dweam wifin a dweam... And wuv, tru wuv, will fowow you foweva... So tweasure your wuv.`
`00:56.56`	`Xuerian`	`Quick, get the car battery and jumper cables! <Runs>`
`00:56.58`	`Subhuman1`	`lol`
`00:57.37`	`Subhuman1`	`where can i find the spell list to add to my mod. ie: HUNTER_VIPERSTING, etc..`
`00:58.40`	`Cide`	`I'm sorry but... what?`
`00:58.44`	`Subhuman1`	`well`
`00:59.04`	`Subhuman1`	`do you know the mod Venantes? or Cryolysis?`
`00:59.09`	`Subhuman1`	`or Necrosis`
`00:59.12`	`Subhuman1`	`sphere mod`
`00:59.21`	`Cide`	`sort of`
`01:00.18`	`Subhuman1`	`in it, there is a kinda spell table. Where spells are called by that. For hunter, its like HUNTER_ASPECT_BEAST for Aspect of the Beast`
`01:00.32`	`Cide`	`open the localization file(s)`
`01:01.09`	`Subhuman1`	`im in it, but theres nothing like that`
`01:01.46`	`Subhuman1`	`i need to find these spell name for all the paladin spell`
`01:02.05`	`Subhuman1`	`im guessing it will be PALADIN_BLESING_MIGHT or something like that`
`01:03.03`	`Subhuman1`	`but there must be a list or a file that have them all, no?`
`01:03.12`	`Cide`	`yes`
`01:03.25`	`Subhuman1`	`where? which?`
`01:05.23`	`Cide`	`I'm not a seer`
`01:05.33`	`Cide`	`search tools are helpful`
`01:05.39`	`bleetah`	`Cide: you're also a real crappy maker of coffee :P`
`01:05.50`	`Subhuman1`	`i treid them lol, thats why i came on this channel`
`01:06.01`	`TC_Working`	`thats ok, coffee is for barbarians`
`01:06.09`	`bleetah`	`i still ain't got that one you sent me when BC when live :(`
`01:06.38`	`Cairenn`	`ain't ain't a word!`
`01:06.38`	`bleetah`	`TC_Working: that's OK, I'm a barbarian, Cide's not... hence, I think it's wise he sends me all his coffee!`
`01:06.47`	`bleetah`	`Cairenn: ain't that the truth`
`01:06.51`	`Cairenn`	`;)`
`01:07.05`	`TC_Working`	`Yes well, small minds fixate on small things....`
`01:08.31`	`Subhuman1`	`anyone know where i could find the spell name for Paladin? Like ['HUNTER_TRAP_FREEZING'] = 'Freezing Trap' for hunters, but for pally.`
`01:08.44`	`scotepi`	`wtf.. i just got lootlink blocked bly bliz when i did /target Fullname`
`01:08.48`	`JohsBorke`	`purl, hug Cairenn`
`01:08.49`	`purl`	`ACTION hugs Cairenn tightly until Cairenn turns slightly blue`
`01:09.03`	`Cairenn`	`purl, hug JohsBorke`
`01:09.04`	`purl`	`ACTION hugs JohsBorke`
`01:09.54`	`Subhuman1`	`scotepi, are you using Telo's Lootlink?`
`01:09.57`	`JohsBorke`	`babble spell will have them`
`01:10.00`	`scotepi`	`yeah`
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`01:10.17`	`Subhuman1`	`whats Babble spell?`
`01:10.43`	`Subhuman1`	`try Saeris's Lootlink or something like that, its up-to-date, on WoWInterface`
`01:11.54`	`Subhuman1`	`oki i found Babble spell, Thanks a lot!! thats what i was looking for :)`
`01:12.27`	`scotepi`	`lol i got a stack overflow in CT_Core_Chat... but its my own proboblome`
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`01:54.36`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`given a slice of a side of a circle, how do you determine its radius? assuming that all you get is the )`
`01:56.37`	`scotepi`	`unitcircle!!!!`
`01:57.04`	`scotepi`	`trig stuff`
`01:58.07`	`bleetah`	`my mathematics teachers hated me... 'but there's no such thing as a circle' ;)`
`01:58.20`	`scotepi`	`well there isnt`
`01:58.27`	`scotepi`	`its 360 triangles`
`01:59.40`	`scotepi`	`to level or to finish this major update to my mod... choices`
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`02:00.47`	`bleetah`	`the above explains why I'm crap at trig, spent more time arguing the point about Euclid being a dick, than the actual stuff itself`
`02:02.04`	`bleetah`	`which would invariably descend into me calling Pythagoras a wanker, too`
`02:08.30`	`scotepi`	`is there a easy way to do strsub(var, 4, "(%s)") to get a string starting at 4 and going to a space char?`
`02:17.13`	`scotepi`	`hmmm... im getting unexpected symbol near '[' on local ext['sender'] = arg4;`
`02:20.37`	`scotepi`	`can a table not be local?`
`02:20.43`	`scotepi`	`i keep getting this error`
`02:21.47`	`Cide`	`well, to be 100% correct, tables are not global or local`
`02:21.52`	`Cide`	`tables are objects`
`02:22.03`	`Cide`	`a variable can reference the table`
`02:22.11`	`Cide`	`and it doesn't matter if that variable is local or global`
`02:22.39`	`Cide`	`so the answer you were looking for is: a variable referencing a table can be local`
`02:22.54`	`scotepi`	`if i still get it ill post the function`
`02:23.28`	`Cide`	`you can't do what you did`
`02:23.28`	`scotepi`	`http://wowi.pastey.net/6676 line 3`
`02:23.32`	`Cide`	`local ext['sender'] = arg4;`
`02:23.33`	`Cide`	`not valid`
`02:23.38`	`scotepi`	`how not?`
`02:23.45`	`Cide`	`is ext a table?`
`02:23.51`	`scotepi`	`yes`
`02:24.16`	`Cide`	`then remove the 'local'`
`02:24.35`	`Cide`	`you're not creating a new variable there`
`02:24.49`	`scotepi`	`now it works`
`02:24.51`	`scotepi`	`thanks`
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`02:37.26`	`Tain`	`I think Deal or No Deal is an example of why society is doomed.`
`02:39.28`	`bleetah`	`Tain: does the presenter of your localised version appear to be on more coke and speed than can possibly be manufactured in a year?`
`02:39.58`	`Tain`	`Actually.. heh the person who was doing it here last week is Howie Mandel.`
`02:40.10`	`bleetah`	`or, maybe it's the original.. in which caser, I'm curious if the original presenter had similar displayed tendencies to the aussie presenter`
`02:40.26`	`WobWork`	`then there's always 1vs100`
`02:40.40`	`bleetah`	`I must admit, tho, he's calmed down a bit in the past few months (or so I've seen when I've visited my mum and she's watching)`
`02:40.50`	`scotepi`	`Tain: you know fox is coming out with "are you smater then a 5th grader"`
`02:41.52`	`Tain`	`I want to belive you're joking, scotepi. But I can't.`
`02:42.14`	`scotepi`	`it was on digg a month or so ago.. from the servivor person i think`
`02:44.59`	`scotepi`	`http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/weird_news/16508788.htm`
`02:50.23`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`Fox is the #1 argument on why the fourth estate should be gagged`
`02:51.41`	`Thorgard`	`Fox is also the #1 reason to why my hand smells funny right now. :/`
`02:52.19`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`you know what was the funniest thing I saw today? Barack Obama on Conan`
`02:52.23`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`Barack is one funny guy`
`02:52.40`	`Thorgard`	`Yup.`
`02:52.57`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`He can really think`
`02:53.19`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`Contrasted with "I am the decider, and I decide"`
`02:53.23`	`Thorgard`	`That's not a quality you want in a president. :/`
`02:53.44`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`"I make decisions and the decision I am making is for the good of the country"`
`02:54.11`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`"If you don't support our troops you are unpatrotic"`
`02:57.13`	`scotepi`	`wtf.. i cant make my chat window my whole screen :(`
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`03:30.55`	`Tain`	`Geez its been so long since they've shown other characters on Lost I forgot how the rest of them are.`
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`03:31.24`	`tingle`	`hi`
`03:31.35`	`tingle`	`got a question`
`03:32.56`	`Kolth`	`Ask it! :)`
`03:33.06`	`tingle`	`are there any tuts or something like that on how to use c++ to send packets to the game, for example send chat functions/packets or something along that to make anything happen ingame...?`
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`03:33.36`	`tingle`	`or better said any game, how do use c++ to interact with a game`
`03:33.40`	`Tain`	`tingle this isn't the first time you've asked something like that. The answer is the same. No.`
`03:33.45`	`Thunder_Child`	`cant as far as i know`
`03:33.53`	`Kolth`	`I'm not 100% sure you're even allowed to ask that question in here.`
`03:34.02`	`tingle`	`o_O?`
`03:34.07`	`Thunder_Child`	`and even trying is prolly a violation of the TOA`
`03:34.14`	`Kolth`	`^^`
`03:34.14`	`tingle`	`i know`
`03:34.17`	`Thunder_Child`	`TOA/TOS/YOU`
`03:34.24`	`Kolth`	`WoW-I is a compliant organization. So meh.`
`03:34.26`	`Thunder_Child`	`err..TOU*`
`03:34.40`	`tingle`	`im not just talking WoW`
`03:34.40`	`Kolth`	`Anyways, tingle, I bet no one has documented it.`
`03:34.51`	`Thunder_Child`	`cept , maybe glider`
`03:35.10`	`Kolth`	`Does Glider send packets?`
`03:35.10`	`tingle`	`glider, WoWbot and things like that do it too but they use visual basic .net`
`03:35.27`	`tingle`	`im thinking normal c++`
`03:35.34`	`tingle`	`but im not talking about WoW`
`03:35.41`	`Kolth`	`Oh, what are you talking about?`
`03:35.46`	`tingle`	`games or programms generaly`
`03:35.50`	`Kolth`	`ah`
`03:36.21`	`tingle`	`how to use a c++ programm to interact with a programm`
`03:36.21`	`Kolth`	`I can link you to some things like that.`
`03:36.21`	`Kolth`	`Have you ever heard of Asheron's Call?`
`03:36.21`	`tingle`	`ok coo`
`03:36.21`	`tingle`	`cool*`
`03:36.23`	`tingle`	`no`
`03:36.28`	`Thunder_Child`	`good`
`03:36.45`	`tingle`	`its a game i guess?`
`03:36.53`	`Kolth`	`Older MMORPG. The gist is that some folks wrote a complex plugin architecture for it.`
`03:37.18`	`Kolth`	`A lot of the stuff with it are open source, I bet you could find some docs.`
`03:37.19`	`bleetah`	`one uses similar methods to that which recently cracked Blu-Ray/HD-DVD`
`03:37.45`	`Thunder_Child`	`A MEM SCANNE/`
`03:37.47`	`bleetah`	`s/cracked/worked out how the encryption operates and how to bypass/`
`03:37.50`	`Thunder_Child`	`meh, sry`
`03:37.55`	`Thunder_Child`	`a mem scanner?`
`03:38.36`	`tingle`	`well im just looking for a explantion or a tut or something that shows me how to even plugin to a programm and react to data streams and reply with data streams,`
`03:38.49`	`tingle`	`for example`
`03:38.57`	`JohsBorke`	`data streams o.O`
`03:40.54`	`tingle`	`something built in c++ that would check if some chat happens that equals to certain value then reply to it by sending the same value back to the client makeing it repeat it, i know everything is client side but client side makes you chat serverside`
`03:40.57`	`bleetah`	`it must be my Solaris background.. I cringe everytime I see the word 'streams'`
`03:41.39`	`Esamynn`	`anyone here a Miner and knows what is different between Rich Adamantite Deposits and Adamantite Deposits?`
`03:42.32`	`Thorgard`	`Rich Adamantite = Lots of more hits, better chance for gems and Eternium, from what I've 'seen'.`
`03:43.07`	`tingle`	`isnt there some c++ guid/explanation abou interacting with programms???`
`03:43.56`	`Esamynn`	`Thorgard: Eternium has it's own node, correct?`
`03:44.01`	`Thorgard`	`Esamynn, nope.`
`03:44.04`	`Esamynn`	`oh`
`03:44.13`	`Esamynn`	`where can it come from?`
`03:44.17`	`JohsBorke`	`tingle: you can't interact with WoW, it's against teh ToS`
`03:44.21`	`JohsBorke`	`no, we will not help you with it`
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`03:45.06`	`tingle`	`i dont want to interact with WoW, i want to interact with gothic3,`
`03:45.20`	`Karrion`	`tingle: there's plenty on the net about interprocess communication in C/C++, search for socket, send, recv. If you want help interacting with games other than WoW, you'll need to ask those games' communities, we don't know. If you want help interacting with WoW, we won't help you.`
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`03:46.42`	`tingle`	`so i should typ socket, send, recv c++ in google? or interprocess communication c++ ?`
`03:47.01`	`JohsBorke`	`try all of them?`
`03:47.14`	`Karrion`	`any of those keywords should point you in the right direction`
`03:47.18`	`JohsBorke`	`tingle: yous hould join #c++`
`03:47.23`	`Tsikura`	`you'll need lots more info than that but its a start`
`03:47.40`	`bleetah`	`i'd start by googling for C++ FAQ's`
`03:50.47`	`Thorgard`	`Esamynn, uhm.. Rich Adamantite Deposit, Adamantite Deposit, Khorium Vein, Fel Iron Deposit`
`03:50.58`	`Esamynn`	`hmm`
`03:51.12`	`Esamynn`	`just trying to come up with an option for an icon for Rich Adamantite deposits in Gatherer`
`03:51.56`	`Esamynn`	`any thoughts?`
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`03:53.51`	`Thorgard`	`A darker blue version of the normal Adamantite icon.`
`03:54.24`	`bleetah`	`boobies`
`03:54.32`	`JohsBorke`	`i second boobies`
`03:54.42`	`Kolth`	`third`
`03:55.27`	`Tain`	`Boobies for everyone.`
`03:56.14`	`Tain`	`You do not have the authority to veto boobies.`
`03:56.47`	`bleetah`	`:'(`
`03:56.54`	`Esamynn`	`I do when it comes to Gatherer's choice of icons :P`
`03:56.57`	`bleetah`	`boobies have wonderous possibilities`
`03:57.07`	`Tain`	`I would mine for boobies.`
`03:57.18`	`Esamynn`	`hey, I`
`03:57.24`	`bleetah`	`hell, I'd re-train all my toon's professions for boobies`
`03:57.40`	`Esamynn`	`I'm not saying there's anything wrong with boobies, it's just not a good choice in this case, realistically speaking`
`03:57.53`	`Thorgard`	`I think it's a great idea.`
`03:57.57`	`Tain`	`Sorry, I don't converse with boobie haters.`
`03:58.05`	`scotepi`	`is there anything like IsIgnored(name)?`
`03:58.10`	`bleetah`	`Esamynn: either way, I'm gunna publish the 'boobies' patch after you do your commit :-P`
`03:58.18`	`Thorgard`	`You'll be walking around.. and suddenly you see boobies on your minimap. You're damn sure gonna go mine that stuff.`
`03:58.27`	`Esamynn`	`haha`
`03:58.36`	`bleetah`	`Thorgard++`
`03:58.51`	`Thorgard`	`And instead of typing 'Vein' or 'Ore' in party chat, you'll go 'Boobies!' and run off.`
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`04:04.33`	`Thunder_Child`	`though to be fair, it's not usualy boobies that your 'mining"`
`04:04.39`	`Thunder_Child`	`s/'/"/`
`04:07.51`	`bleetah`	`Thunder_Child: depends what the node's into, I guess`
`04:08.20`	`Thunder_Child`	`ehh...dont you mean what the miners into?`
`04:09.09`	`bleetah`	`that too ;)`
`04:12.15`	`bleetah`	`my only concern is that wowi wouldn't accept my 'boobies' patch to gatherer`
`04:12.44`	`bleetah`	`I wonder if they'd require a 'willies', too, just to be fair`
`04:12.54`	`Tain`	`Free Willie`
`04:13.03`	`Cairenn`	`of course we wouldn't, you know how uptight I am!`
`04:13.11`	`Cairenn`	`(accept it, that is)`
`04:13.15`	`Thunder_Child`	`who let tain stop taking his meds`
`04:13.26`	`Tain`	`Free boobies`
`04:13.44`	`Cairenn`	`sheesh, you'd think I had a sense of humour or something, that I'd allow something like that on my site!`
`04:13.47`	`Tain`	`Captain Morgan has been giving me meds all night.`
`04:14.10`	`Thunder_Child`	`what, no hooker to go along with it?`
`04:14.47`	`Tain`	`Oh no. You may find it hard to belive but they are in high demand on Valentines Day.`
`04:15.02`	`bleetah`	`Cairenn: my only thought was that as WoW itself is 'T' rated, you may be slightly adverse to stuff that pushes that boundary a little ;)`
`04:15.15`	`Thunder_Child`	`hmm....i suppose that is why they call it VD Day`
`04:15.28`	`bleetah`	`didn't think you would be upset, maybe one of the site's financial supporters, was all`
`04:15.41`	`Cairenn`	`bleetah: I don't mind the boundries being pushed "a bit"`
`04:15.51`	`Tain`	`You can push the boobies a bit.`
`04:15.57`	`bleetah`	`so the 'rpono' version is right out, then? :P`
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`04:16.14`	`bleetah`	`and no, purl, you're not getting an excercise of your regexp out of me on that one :P`
`04:16.33`	`Thunder_Child`	`well there goes the mod for PiP streaming the playboy channel`
`04:16.58`	`Tain`	`Also my knee hurts and I should probably see a doctor.`
`04:17.07`	`bleetah`	`I'll just keep working on the Friday Night SBS Australia 'art house' film streaming version, then ;)`
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`04:31.27`	`Tain`	`I'm sorry, should I stop drinking and eating cheese and crackers in the nude?`
`04:31.45`	`Cairenn`	`go right ahead, I don't care`
`04:31.52`	`Cairenn`	`I was referring to the Gaim crashes`
`04:32.06`	`Tain`	`Oh that is different.`
`04:32.28`	`JohsBorke`	`purl, hug Cairenn`
`04:32.29`	`purl`	`ACTION jumps into Cairenn's lap and huggles and hugs Cairenn`
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`04:56.41`	`Nom-`	`purl: purl?`
`04:56.44`	`purl`	`[purl] an evil bot. rather slow at responding`
`04:56.54`	`Kolth`	`Why isn't purl faster?`
`04:56.57`	`Nom-`	`purl: jump on Tain`
`04:56.59`	`purl`	`ACTION scrambles up the nearest tree, screams, then leaps feet first on top of on Tain`
`04:57.20`	`Nom-`	`oooo yeah`
`04:57.22`	`Nom-`	`binary hawtness!`
`04:57.28`	`Nom-`	`</userfriendly>`
`04:58.37`	`JohsBorke`	`woot! steamvaults and arcatraz run and i get 5 pieces of gear`
`04:58.55`	`Nom-`	`grats`
`04:59.05`	`Nom-`	`I'm going to hit BF tonight when I get home`
`04:59.43`	`JohsBorke`	`and i won 2 DEs`
`05:00.39`	`JohsBorke`	`arcatraz was way easier than botanica`
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`05:05.49`	`Cairenn`	`omg, did you guys see Blizz's Valentine's Day commercial?`
`05:05.54`	`Cairenn`	`http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/downloads/movies.html#`
`05:05.56`	`Cairenn`	`too cute`
`05:06.34`	`Thunder_Child`	`yea, it's great`
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`05:08.26`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`blahahaha`
`05:11.22`	`JohsBorke`	`night all`
`05:11.33`	`Cairenn`	`night JohsBorke`
`05:11.40`	`Cairenn`	`purl, hug JohsBorke`
`05:11.42`	`purl`	`ACTION sneaks up on JohsBorke and suddenly hugs JohsBorke tightly`
`05:11.57`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`purl is back`
`05:12.33`	`Cairenn`	`aye, showed up some point this afternoon`
`05:12.54`	`Kolth`	`That's hilarious, Cair (the commercial)`
`05:15.28`	`Kolth`	`The TBC cinematic is so amazing.`
`05:15.37`	`Cairenn`	`I know`
`05:15.42`	`Kolth`	`Chills.`
`05:15.44`	`Kolth`	`Though it is cold outside.`
`05:15.48`	`Cairenn`	`still makes me go "wow" every time I watch it`
`05:15.55`	`Kolth`	`It's just sad.`
`05:16.11`	`Kolth`	`The only thing keeping content like that from going to feature-length is money.`
`05:16.23`	`Kolth`	`I think enough people would watch Blizzard features.`
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`05:18.30`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i bet the live action movie is going to end up like Warcraft lord of the clans`
`05:19.54`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`http://youtube.com/watch?v=lfqHbOiJcAM`
`05:27.27`	`Cairen1`	`new mod you guys might like, courtesy Iriel and Kudane: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6887-DoubleWide.html`
`05:30.02`	`Kolth`	`hrm`
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`06:00.19`	`Kolth`	`Best place to patch WoW from 1.0 to TBC?`
`06:00.41`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_mirrors`
`06:00.57`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`World of Warcraft is the 94th most populated place ("country") in the world`
`06:01.04`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`More people play WoW than live in Ireland and New Zealand combined`
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`06:01.12`	`Cairenn`	`since I know some of you will get a chuckle out of this: http://www.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=28;mid=1171518723163822360;page=1#117151880064412010`
`06:02.29`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`lol`
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`06:06.52`	`Cairenn`	`man, stupid internet is being flaky as all hell with this damn storm`
`06:08.19`	`Cairenn`	`anyway, I'm for bed, night all`
`06:08.23`	`Kolth`	`nightnight cair`
`06:08.25`	`Sixen`	`Same`
`06:08.29`	`Sixen`	`Night Ciarenn`
`06:08.32`	`Sixen`	`Cairenn*`
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`06:24.53`	`Nom-`	`omg can't stop laughing lol`
`06:28.20`	`Kolth`	`why`
`06:29.01`	`Nom-`	`hillarious string of emails going around the office`
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`06:50.49`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`are there any good replacements for moveanything? nothing else i've found lets me hide and scale stuff, and MA is outdated, even the more recently updated one, everything bugs out :[`
`06:54.06`	`Kolth`	`Visor is nice.`
`06:58.19`	`Nom-`	`lol`
`06:58.38`	`Nom-`	`half our network is being kept alive by a generator right now :/`
`06:58.51`	`Kolth`	`eek`
`06:58.58`	`Kolth`	`I hope it's bio-diesel!`
`06:59.08`	`Nom-`	`Natural gas i believe`
`06:59.25`	`Nom-`	`We've had to shut off all non-essential systems lol`
`06:59.28`	`Nom-`	`It's nuts`
`06:59.41`	`Nom-`	`I'm in the building that still has power luckily :D`
`07:02.48`	`zenzelezz`	`wasn't it water trouble the other day?`
`07:03.15`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`ooh visor does look like a nice replacement for moveanything`
`07:06.24`	`Shadowed`	`bah @ blizzard`
`07:06.29`	`Shadowed`	`Arenas start in 23 hours, not today`
`07:20.22`	`MentalPower\|ZZzz`	`gnight`
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`07:36.39`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`blarg, now i have Visor, but I can't figure out the names of the Frames for the action bars and stuff`
`07:46.02`	`haste`	`Mr_Rabies2: /print GetMouseFocus():GetName()`
`07:46.16`	`haste`	`just hover over the frame and run that /print is defined by ace2`
`07:46.32`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`problem is i don't know what to focus on to get the whole bar`
`07:46.38`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`it just gets one action button`
`07:46.59`	`haste`	`/print GetMouseFocus():GetParent():GetName()`
`07:47.11`	`haste`	`it might be easier to just look at blizzards XML tho' :)`
`08:06.14`	`tlund`	`Mr_Rabies2: MultiBarBottomRight for example (if i understood your question right)`
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`08:39.57`	`Elessdy`	`getparent:getname is a wonderful thing`
`08:40.17`	`Elessdy`	`one of the scripts i have bound to a key is to output both the mouse focus frame's name and its parent's name`
`08:44.16`	`tlund`	`why not just loop and output the entire stack?`
`08:45.20`	`Corrodias`	`getparent up to uiparent? well, generally i only want to know the current frame or maybe what it's attached to`
`08:45.38`	`Corrodias`	`the reason therefore being to avoid chat box spam or having to write the script`
`08:45.59`	`Corrodias`	`otherwise, i think it's devtools that has a keybind to show the full stack of frames underneath the mouse, even those that are hidden`
`08:46.07`	`Corrodias`	`i make use of that if i need to go deeper`
`08:46.32`	`Industrial`	`Mr_Rabies2: install devtools it has a nice display for frame names with their parents allt he way back to uiparent`
`08:47.07`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`visor has parents but it didn't look like the actionbuttons have the full bar as a parent O_o`
`08:47.22`	`Industrial`	`:)`
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`09:11.39`	`Corrodias`	`there are some pretty complex ways of accomplishing stuff for WoW UI's :o`
`09:13.21`	`zenzelezz`	`how so?`
`09:14.17`	`Corrodias`	`a specific example are state switching buttons/frames`
`09:16.19`	`Corrodias`	`i just mean it seems to me, from the perspective of someone unfamiliar with them, that attributes and state changes can get complex`
`09:27.17`	`Kolth`	`Anyone ever had a WoW patcher executable say the patch couldn't run because you're out of hard drive space (when you're not)?`
`09:27.36`	`zenzelezz`	`how much free space do you have?`
`09:27.57`	`Kolth`	`I had it on the E: partition which has 20GB.`
`09:28.05`	`Kolth`	`I moved it back over to C which has 10GB.`
`09:28.11`	`zenzelezz`	`well that's odd`
`09:34.15`	`Corrodias`	`yeah...`
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`09:35.21`	`Kolth`	`Restart sure didn't help.`
`09:35.57`	`Kolth`	`Trying to get WoW from 1.0.0 to a place I can patch it to 2+`
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`09:59.31`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`doesn't installing bc automagically patch it to 2.0?`
`09:59.47`	`Kolth`	`I can't seem to install TBC on top of 1.0.0`
`10:00.12`	`Kolth`	`When I launch the TBC installer it just says, "Play ..." where I expect it to say "Install.."`
`10:00.14`	`tlund`	`where did you even get a 1.0.0?`
`10:00.19`	`Kolth`	`From my CD`
`10:00.34`	`tlund`	`oh, the US cd:s came with 1.0.0?`
`10:00.41`	`Kolth`	`I'm not 100% sure.`
`10:01.04`	`Kolth`	`My DVD drive is unplugged so I downloaded WoW and WoW:TBC`
`10:14.14`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`my cd is 1.0 i believe`
`10:14.22`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`but over time they've changed the CDs`
`10:14.38`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`so if you bought the game like last week it'd probably be 1.8 or so`
`10:15.06`	`Kolth`	`ah`
`10:15.41`	`Industrial`	`mine is 1.3`
`10:19.28`	`Kolth`	`I've made my way up to 1.11.2 I think.`
`10:19.45`	`Kolth`	`Hilarious how much work this is now. I thought it was bad a year ago.`
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`10:20.38`	`Kaso`	`they really should just release a universal 1.x to 2.0 patcher`
`10:20.48`	`Kolth`	`I think they have.`
`10:20.56`	`Kaso`	`why couldnt you use that then?`
`10:21.05`	`Kolth`	`I have 99% of the patches in pieces.`
`10:21.11`	`Industrial`	`how about a patcher that checks files?`
`10:21.25`	`Kolth`	`I see a 1.x->2.0.1 here.`
`10:21.32`	`Corrodias`	`you know, i've never spent much time in deadwind pass`
`10:21.42`	`Corrodias`	`is there anything there of note other than karazhan?`
`10:21.56`	`Kolth`	`Memories.`
`10:22.00`	`Kaso`	`theres some interesting sights to see`
`10:22.05`	`Kaso`	`but not really anything useful`
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`10:48.23`	`Kaso`	`Highlights have already appeared on video-sharing/tv-stealing service Youtube.`
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`10:48.29`	`Kaso`	`thats the best quote ever`
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`10:49.50`	`subbawt`	`i just soloed undead strat, up to the zerg before baron :(`
`10:50.08`	`Corrodias`	`aw, man, i can't solo strat...`
`10:50.17`	`Corrodias`	`i couldn't even solo the one boss who holds the key`
`10:50.33`	`subbawt`	`im playing my friend's feral druid`
`10:50.43`	`Corrodias`	`i use a balance/restoration druid`
`10:51.04`	`Corrodias`	`with low armor gear`
`10:53.30`	`subbawt`	`the hardest boss for me was nerub'enkan`
`10:53.39`	`subbawt`	`we actually killed eachother at the same time`
`10:55.05`	`Corrodias`	`i should consider a new feral/restoration mix, but i would need to collect new gear`
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`11:12.47`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i'm going 0/47/14 i think`
`11:13.00`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i may drop thick hide`
`11:13.16`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`and get survival of the fittest`
`11:15.19`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i dunno i may go with something like http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=0`
`11:15.20`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`er`
`11:15.23`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`haha`
`11:15.29`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=0zZxGMsfroeuioVxhz`
`11:15.31`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i always do that`
`11:19.31`	`Corrodias`	`checking`
`11:20.03`	`Corrodias`	`that looks like a true PvP spec`
`11:20.12`	`Corrodias`	`except the lack of NS`
`11:22.43`	`Corrodias`	`looks exciting`
`11:29.25`	`Corrodias`	`something is interesting to me...`
`11:29.57`	`Corrodias`	`most aoe mage techniques focus on blizzard or CoC for most of the damage`
`11:30.40`	`Corrodias`	`but in that one video, the mage was using flamestrike, CoC, and arcane explosion`
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`11:31.58`	`subbawt`	`hrmm`
`11:32.04`	`subbawt`	`apparently the archivist no longer drops a guaranteed orb`
`11:32.14`	`subbawt`	`he does, however, drop a boquet of roses`
`11:32.30`	`nevcairiel`	`he dropped a orb for us yesterday`
`11:32.36`	`Corrodias`	`blizzard can't crit, so flamestrike has an advantage over blizzard as an opener in that it will get the 50% increased chance from Shatter`
`11:32.41`	`subbawt`	`well i just soloed him`
`11:32.42`	`subbawt`	`no orb`
`11:33.00`	`subbawt`	`devout gloves, mage book, bouquet of roses`
`11:34.41`	`Corrodias`	`and you might have time to toss CoC before the frost nova breaks (assuming it doesn't break on them all when flamestrike hits), which would also have an increased crit chance`
`11:35.07`	`Corrodias`	`at least on the ones that are still frozen`
`11:36.05`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`a lot of mages will start with a FN, then flamestrike, then blizzard as soon as flamestrike goes out`
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`11:38.44`	`Corrodias`	`now, how about comparing the +damage bonuses that flamestrike, blizzard, and arcane explosion get? i'm reading the formulas article...`
`11:38.53`	`Replenished`	`Hey!`
`11:40.03`	`Corrodias`	`ho`
`11:40.35`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`lets go`
`11:40.59`	`Replenished`	`Any of you kids good at macros? xD`
`11:41.09`	`axxo`	`i'm the best`
`11:41.16`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`depends on the macro but maybe`
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`11:42.58`	`Replenished`	`Alright well, i'm trying to make a macro that make my pet target my last target and seduce it ;o`
`11:43.55`	`Replenished`	`which is basicly /TargetLastTarget(); - new line - /cast seduction right ?`
`11:44.25`	`Corrodias`	`i'm pretty sure /TargetLastTarget() is not a valid macro line`
`11:44.38`	`Corrodias`	`it looks like you're using a function name as a slash command`
`11:45.35`	`axxo`	`lose the () and caps`
`11:45.55`	`Replenished`	`Well.. i am basicly a nub when it comes to macros =[`
`11:46.00`	`Corrodias`	`hot damn, warlocks have a lot of damage spells`
`11:46.25`	`Corrodias`	`of course, some may be exclusive of each other due to talent restrictions`
`11:46.42`	`axxo`	`just alot of curses`
`11:47.25`	`Replenished`	`hm hold on a mo ill go try this`
`11:48.15`	`Corrodias`	`you know, arcane missiles looks pretty kickass by these numbers. http://www.wowwiki.com/Spell_Damage_Comparison`
`11:48.56`	`Corrodias`	`oddly, flamestrike isn't even listed`
`11:49.26`	`axxo`	`warlock ones are wrong`
`11:49.48`	`Corrodias`	`i suspect the page could use some reworking`
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`11:53.31`	`Replenished`	`Ok, heres my macro - i need to add the target last enemy to`
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`11:55.11`	`Replenished`	`bah`
`11:55.18`	`Replenished`	`cant seem to add this macro`
`11:55.26`	`Replenished`	`guess line by line oO`
`11:56.01`	`Replenished`	`./party seducing %T ./script PetAttack();`
`11:56.32`	`Replenished`	`./script CastPetAction(6); ./cast curse of shadow(rank 3)`
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`11:57.42`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`none of that /script stuff works in macros anymore`
`11:57.59`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`/petattack`
`11:58.05`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`and /cast Seduction`
`11:58.20`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`if petaction 6 is seduction that is`
`11:59.45`	`axxo`	`or skip the petattack all together`
`11:59.45`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`/p seducing %t`
`11:59.45`	`axxo`	`heh`
`12:00.01`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`true, if petattack is seduction :p`
`12:00.05`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`er`
`12:00.10`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`petaction 6`
`12:00.27`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`which i guess it is`
`12:00.35`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`/p Seducing %t`
`12:00.41`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`/cast Seduction`
`12:00.50`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`/stopcasting`
`12:00.58`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`/cast Curse of Shadows`
`12:01.02`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i think should do it`
`12:01.04`	`Replenished`	`Doesnt it? =/ so what do i use instead of scripts`
`12:01.11`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`^`
`12:01.24`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`try that`
`12:01.27`	`Replenished`	`oki`
`12:02.15`	`Industrial`	`remove the dots`
`12:02.16`	`Industrial`	`lol`
`12:02.18`	`Industrial`	`::P`
`12:04.00`	`Replenished`	`Yah that works`
`12:04.12`	`axxo`	`you need castsequence and press it tiwce`
`12:04.17`	`Replenished`	`So can i add the target last enemy at all ?`
`12:11.25`	`wobin`	`Kemayo: woo, thank you for the WAup.py`
`12:14.35`	`Replenished`	`ah anywho thanx guys`
`12:14.41`	`Replenished`	`and grils! ;o`
`12:15.19`	`Corrodias`	`the numbers game!`
`12:15.46`	`Corrodias`	`so tough`
`12:15.55`	`Corrodias`	`i guess my only choice will be to try out both techniques and see which one is more effective`
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`12:43.24`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`my WAU keeps updating the same addons time after time`
`12:43.25`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`O_o`
`12:44.21`	`Corrodias`	`emule reports to me that the cumulative TCP/UDP overhead for the files i've uploaded since i got this computer amounts to just over 7 GB`
`12:44.26`	`Corrodias`	`actually`
`12:44.37`	`Corrodias`	`that's probably emule-related traffic, not packet overhead`
`12:45.34`	`Corrodias`	`it would be silly to keep track of the latter`
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`12:46.40`	`Corrodias`	`i rest well knowing that people would have 80gb more data than they would if i hadn't had it running`
`12:46.47`	`Corrodias`	`*do have`
`12:47.05`	`subbawt`	`is there a weapon enchant that is superior to +5 weapon damage now? (like +6?)`
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`12:49.44`	`Corrodias`	`i shall sleep now`
`12:49.49`	`Corrodias`	`i don't know the answer`
`12:51.07`	`Industrial`	`does +5 weapon damage mean hitting 305 instead of 300 ?`
`12:51.19`	`Industrial`	`:p`
`12:52.00`	`nevcairiel`	`yes`
`12:53.36`	`Industrial`	`what crap is that? who would want that?`
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`12:53.59`	`Kaso`	`rogues, its good for backstab`
`12:54.06`	`Kaso`	`well, partly`
`12:54.10`	`Industrial`	`+5 lol, useless at level 20 >_>`
`12:54.11`	`Corrodias`	`it may or may not be normalized across weapon speeds`
`12:54.12`	`Industrial`	`how so`
`12:54.27`	`SunTiger`	`okay a 100 200 weapon 1 speed vs a 105 205 weapon 1 speed`
`12:54.34`	`SunTiger`	`wich one is better ?`
`12:54.48`	`Corrodias`	`i don't understand your notation`
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`12:55.17`	`Corrodias`	`what is a 100 200 weapon 1 speed`
`12:55.18`	`Industrial`	`the second, by five average damage per hit, your point being?`
`12:56.15`	`Corrodias`	`it's for twinks, i guess`
`12:56.18`	`subbawt`	`it does more for a dagger rogue's dps than 15 agility in most cases`
`12:56.18`	`subbawt`	`no`
`12:57.00`	`SunTiger`	`hmm damage wise, yes`
`12:57.06`	`Corrodias`	`nobody in their right mind would pay a significant amount for 5 more damage on a weapon past a low level`
`12:57.07`	`Industrial`	`i don t see how 5 damage is worth anything even at level 20`
`12:57.14`	`SunTiger`	`15 agi = 15 ap is slightly more then 1 dps`
`12:57.57`	`SunTiger`	`lets say on a really slow dagger (2 speed) 2 dps gets you 2 extra damage`
`12:58.02`	`Corrodias`	`i can't say about 20... but consider 40`
`12:58.03`	`SunTiger`	`+5 clearly wins for damage`
`12:58.20`	`Industrial`	`at 20 you hit with 40 damage or so?`
`12:58.54`	`Corrodias`	`it would be an increase in damage of greater than 10% if that were the case`
`12:58.56`	`Corrodias`	`definitely worth it`
`12:59.16`	`Corrodias`	`10% is my general guideline for significance`
`12:59.33`	`subbawt`	`for a combat daggers rogue`
`12:59.43`	`subbawt`	`their white damage is like 50% of their damage`
`12:59.56`	`Corrodias`	`but you say that's the highest that's available, before the expansion? level 60?`
`13:00.43`	`subbawt`	`they're keeping slice and dice up at all times, so their attack speed with a 1.80 speed dagger is nearing 1.00 speed`
`13:01.48`	`subbawt`	`you're not going to find an enchant that increases your DPS by 10% at level 60`
`13:02.06`	`Industrial`	`hehe i can remember ragnarok online, arch er would have so much agi in high levels your speed would be so hight that your arrows just shoot in a constant line :P`
`13:02.06`	`subbawt`	`or 70 now, rather`
`13:02.10`	`Nickenyfiken`	`hehe hmm whats going on with WAU? :-)`
`13:02.36`	`Corrodias`	`RABIES`
`13:02.40`	`Corrodias`	`they're applying another hotfix for roots`
`13:02.46`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`yep`
`13:03.01`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`in 9 mins to my server`
`13:03.03`	`subbawt`	`?`
`13:03.06`	`subbawt`	`what is going on?`
`13:03.26`	`subbawt`	`i see the restart message, but what is the reasoning?`
`13:03.42`	`Corrodias`	`entangling roots has a tendency to do... nothing`
`13:03.55`	`Corrodias`	`it's really quite disruptive to balance spec druids like myself`
`13:03.58`	`subbawt`	`hrm, when was that broken?`
`13:04.04`	`subbawt`	`i rooted something yesterday`
`13:04.06`	`Corrodias`	`as far as i know, 2.0.7`
`13:04.25`	`Corrodias`	`well, i said tendency. the message says it "occasionally" has a problem.`
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`13:05.03`	`Corrodias`	`but i was playing my little mage today, so i don't know how common it is`
`13:05.22`	`Corrodias`	`speaking of which, enough of this idle chatter. i must get to bed so i can get back up so i can play WoW!`
`13:09.25`	`Nickenyfiken`	`haha`
`13:09.39`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i rarely ever use roots anyway`
`13:11.35`	`Corrodias`	`PVP_RANK_18_0 = "High Warlord";`
`13:11.50`	`Corrodias`	`PVP_RANK_6_0 = "Grunt";`
`13:11.56`	`Corrodias`	`PVP_RANK_4_1 = "Dishonored";`
`13:12.06`	`Corrodias`	`PVP_RANK_3_0 = "Exiled";`
`13:12.13`	`Corrodias`	`PVP_RANK_2_0 = "Outlaw";`
`13:12.18`	`Corrodias`	`PVP_RANK_1_0 = "Pariah";`
`13:12.25`	`Corrodias`	`i've never heard of those lower ones`
`13:12.40`	`subbawt`	`me neither`
`13:12.47`	`Industrial`	`:o`
`13:12.51`	`Kaso`	`i remeber when they were on the cards, but i dont think they ever made it to a public test`
`13:13.00`	`Corrodias`	`that's from "A large list of global string variables in WoW."`
`13:13.01`	`subbawt`	`i saw a page one time and it had some above High Warlord`
`13:13.23`	`Industrial`	`exiled, hmm, that seems cool`
`13:13.37`	`Industrial`	`imagine bandit guilds :P`
`13:13.49`	`Nickenyfiken`	`bah i hate all the upates to WAU`
`13:13.56`	`Industrial`	`#wau`
`13:14.11`	`Nickenyfiken`	`or you kidding?`
`13:14.24`	`Kaso`	`You have more than 5 hours of online time. You will not be able to gain loot, XP, or complete quests. Your rest state will reset in %d hours of offline time. Please log out to get rest and exercise.";`
`13:14.37`	`Nickenyfiken`	`s/or/are/`
`13:15.03`	`Corrodias`	`Kaso: stop being so chinese`
`13:15.07`	`Kaso`	`ha :>`
`13:15.15`	`Kaso`	`i wish i could turn that on sometimes when i was playing wow`
`13:15.28`	`Corrodias`	`it's easy. just move to china!`
`13:15.45`	`Corrodias`	`it's -just that easy-!`
`13:16.22`	`Kaso`	`"Tigole: Level 40 Human Rogue <Legacy of Steel> - Westfall"`
`13:16.29`	`Industrial`	`Nickenyfiken: /join #wau`
`13:17.07`	`Industrial`	`Kaso: ?`
`13:17.21`	`Kaso`	`in the comments of globalstrings`
`13:17.35`	`Kaso`	`as an example of the format of WHO_LIST_GUILD_FORMAT`
`13:17.49`	`Kaso`	`just find it amusing somehow`
`13:22.05`	`Industrial`	`hehe undead are the most fun race to name`
`13:22.15`	`Industrial`	`"Graveworm" "lfjaw"`
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`13:23.33`	`Corrodias`	`blood elves can bend their ears...`
`13:25.06`	`Industrial`	`"squidface" for draenei, hmm`
`13:25.23`	`Corrodias`	`aw. /blow is a blowing-a-kiss emote.`
`13:25.35`	`Industrial`	`:p`
`13:26.48`	`Corrodias`	`but /jk seems to be one not listed in emotefu`
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`13:30.58`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`what about /bleed`
`13:32.07`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`also go to bed you putz`
`13:32.55`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`<Corrodias> i've never heard of those lower ones`
`13:33.07`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`dishonored was as low as you could ever go, and they removed that`
`13:33.32`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`you went to dishonored if you got a bunch of dhks at private`
`13:33.41`	`Corrodias`	`TITLE_TEMPLATE = "%s of the %s"; -- Character's title and faction, as in "Bob of the Carpenters' Guild"`
`13:34.00`	`Corrodias`	`interesting, @ rabies`
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`13:38.59`	`Sixen`	`:o`
`13:40.04`	`subbawt`	`yay solod wyrmthalak`
`13:40.33`	`nevcairiel`	`heh`
`13:40.35`	`Corrodias`	`WORLD_PORT_ROOT_TIMER = "You have fallen through the world. You will be rooted here for %d %s.";`
`13:40.44`	`Kaso`	`ooh`
`13:40.47`	`Kaso`	`thats interesting`
`13:40.49`	`Industrial`	`:o`
`13:40.57`	`Corrodias`	`i think plenty of videos have demonstrated that people don't get rooted in place for falling through the world`
`13:41.20`	`Kaso`	`its either something they couldnt impliment well, or something they are going to implement`
`13:42.02`	`Kaso`	`seeing as its been here since 1.1 i think its the former`
`13:42.36`	`Industrial`	`i remember having seen the AQ entrance at 1.3`
`13:42.37`	`Industrial`	`:p`
`13:42.40`	`Corrodias`	`i agree`
`13:42.42`	`Industrial`	`(priv server)`
`13:43.06`	`Kaso`	`behind the wall was far more interesting before the AQ patch came out`
`13:43.15`	`Kaso`	`oh wall walking, how i miss you`
`13:54.04`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`well`
`13:54.15`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i've seen inside zul'aman and the black temple, so there :p`
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`14:13.49`	`Corrodias`	`well, well,`
`14:14.04`	`Corrodias`	`i've seen that big blank area on the west side of tirisfal glades. so there. ._.`
`14:14.20`	`Corrodias`	`big explorer, me`
`14:18.23`	`Corrodias`	`nothing interesting there, anyway :P`
`14:19.25`	`Kaso`	`the void south of Un'goro is pretty cool`
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`14:25.45`	`Corrodias`	`WELL now i'm actually going to sleep, now that i've finished all my preparation. 'ni`
`14:26.08`	`wobin`	`I've seen inside Dalaran`
`14:29.01`	`Gnarfoz`	`great, you've seen an empty circle beneath a big arcane dome thingy`
`14:29.01`	`Gnarfoz`	`:D`
`14:29.37`	`Industrial`	`wobin: :o`
`14:29.41`	`Industrial`	`wobin: anything there?`
`14:31.00`	`wobin`	`PRetty much what Gnarfoz said =P`
`14:31.09`	`wobin`	`It's pretty barren =P`
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`15:18.53`	`haste`	`no, then I have one day less of nothingness`
`15:19.28`	`haste`	`s/of/day of/`
`15:19.36`	`haste`	`okey, I'm too tired :(`
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`15:24.46`	`Industrial`	`friday math test eeep`
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`15:44.56`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Btw, UK PS3 pre-orders if anyone wants one: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0007SV734?tag2=britishgaming-21`
`15:46.25`	`Kaso`	`You Save: £0.01`
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`15:46.28`	`TS\|Skrom_`	`Computer Question: My computer is reporting that I am low on Hard drive space. I've found that when I right click on the WINDOWS folder it shows size of 20gb... ! but when I go into the folder and select all files and check their size it only reads as around 1.5gb`
`15:46.28`	`Kaso`	`woohoo!`
`15:46.32`	`TS\|Skrom_`	`What am I missing?`
`15:46.48`	`Kaso`	`Hidden files no doubt`
`15:46.52`	`TS\|Skrom_`	`Have all shown`
`15:47.23`	`krka`	`i think the keyword is "WINDOWS"`
`15:47.29`	`Xuerian`	`skrom: Get WinDirStat`
`15:47.36`	`TS\|Skrom_`	`wakkawakka`
`15:47.55`	`Xuerian`	`Provides a nice map of where all your space decided to run off to :)`
`15:49.38`	`krka`	`<3 Baobab`
`15:50.22`	`krka`	`best ever http://www.marzocca.net/linux/baobab.html`
`15:50.34`	`TS\|Skrom_`	`wtf it's showing 18gb in a folder called CSC`
`15:50.44`	`TS\|Skrom_`	`which isn't showing up in explorer`
`15:51.17`	`Xuerian`	`o_0`
`15:51.27`	`TS\|Skrom_`	`ohhh haha`
`15:51.39`	`TS\|Skrom_`	`I really should unsynchronize the 18gigs I keep in my server share`
`15:51.47`	`Xuerian`	`haha.`
`15:51.49`	`TS\|Skrom_`	`I'm never not connected ...`
`15:53.17`	`Xuerian`	`krka: SequoyaView and then WinDirStat both display data in a much more readable format than that. :)`
`15:53.31`	`krka`	`screenshot or you're lying :P`
`15:53.51`	`Xuerian`	`Gimmie a minute to analyze a drive :P`
`15:55.37`	`krka`	`perfectly clear: http://www.marzocca.net/Immagini/bb1.png`
`15:56.20`	`Xuerian`	`To be fair, I didn't mean the directory tree. That's a slightly less detailed but perfectly functional rip of both the above apps :P`
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`15:57.10`	`sysrage`	`they were also talking about windows :\`
`15:57.28`	`Xuerian`	`platform isn't a excuse.`
`15:57.49`	`Xuerian`	`All are free apps developed by independant/small developers in one way or another ;P`
`15:57.53`	`krka`	`tbh i dont see the point of treemaps`
`15:58.16`	`sysrage`	`the guy asked how to find out what's using his space up in windows. a linux app is not going to help him`
`15:58.30`	`Xuerian`	`sysrage: Oh, yeah. That is a good point :P`
`15:59.36`	`Xuerian`	`krka: They're a excellent at-a-glance overview of what's on your drive and where.`
`15:59.38`	`krka`	`sysrage: just reboot into the gnome live cd and run baobab on the mounted windows partition`
`15:59.54`	`krka`	`hmm... when i said gnome there, i meant ubuntu`
`16:00.10`	`sysrage`	`or instead of wasting time getting a livecd, burning it, and rebooting, he could use one of the billion windows apps that do the same thing`
`16:00.59`	`sysrage`	`anyway. runchtime`
`16:01.09`	`Xuerian`	`Do enjoy :P`
`16:01.14`	`TS\|Skrom_`	`thanks for the top on the treemap, gave me exactly what I needed.`
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`16:05.05`	`Xuerian`	`http://8.10.179.164/screenfiles/windirstat.jpg (Gave up on uploading my own.... grraaaaah <stabs dialup repeatedly>)`
`16:06.11`	`zenzelezz`	`looks like Sequoia View with a tree/file listing`
`16:06.49`	`Xuerian`	`That's why I said SequoiaView->WinDirStat, it was a rather bald ripoff, just like baobab`
`16:06.56`	`Industrial`	`Xuerian: dude do you live in the desert?`
`16:07.10`	`Kaso`	`wow thats pretty`
`16:07.16`	`Xuerian`	`Industrial: 25 miles from ... 2002?'s most wired city in the us`
`16:07.38`	`zenzelezz`	`I didn't read any of the stuff before the link`
`16:07.39`	`zenzelezz`	`:-p`
`16:07.46`	`Industrial`	`Xuerian: 2007, dailup.. 2007 ... dialup.. that doesnt mix :P`
`16:07.58`	`Xuerian`	`Industrial: No, really? :)`
`16:08.15`	`Industrial`	`getting 20mbit soon >_>`
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`16:08.18`	`Xuerian`	`...`
`16:08.24`	`Industrial`	`lol :X`
`16:09.01`	`Industrial`	`ke ke`
`16:10.00`	`Industrial`	`Xuerian: no but seriously, this was cheaper then my phone bill`
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`16:10.25`	`Industrial`	`egypt? :o`
`16:10.39`	`Xuerian`	`Here, my data drive: http://imagesocket.com/view/WinDirStat_Barrierd75.jpg`
`16:10.42`	`TS\|Skrom_`	`hahaha how funny, I signed up for this dating service thing (free) about 6 months ago`
`16:10.57`	`TS\|Skrom_`	`and you can't put your email address on your profile or anything since they want you to use theirs`
`16:11.11`	`Xuerian`	`Industrial: I know, it's not that it doesn't exist around here, we're just out of range of dsl, cable, out of LOS for wireless, and satellite is decidedly not cheaper than dialup :P`
`16:11.18`	`TS\|Skrom_`	`but I used all lower case words in my profile except for chunks of my email address`
`16:11.27`	`TS\|Skrom_`	`just to see if anyone was smart enough to figure it out and would email me`
`16:11.31`	`TS\|Skrom_`	`I got my first bite today`
`16:12.55`	`Xuerian`	`Oh?`
`16:13.08`	`Cairenn`	`biting can be fun ...`
`16:13.21`	`TS\|Skrom_`	`yeah the email read "I figured out your clues on your profile, so here I am emailing you"`
`16:13.56`	`TS\|Skrom_`	`I was surprised lol`
`16:14.57`	`TS\|Skrom_`	`Xuerian how is TitanQuest?`
`16:15.52`	`Xuerian`	`skrom: It's a excellent lan hack-n-slash.. I haven't played it otherwise`
`16:16.01`	`Xuerian`	`Purty as all get out.`
`16:16.14`	`Xuerian`	`Cairenn: rawr o.o`
`16:17.04`	`TS\|Skrom_`	`I've been playing Dungeons and Dragons online for 3 days. It's enjoyable`
`16:17.22`	`TS\|Skrom_`	`Lan Hack-n-slash is almost a fitting description there too`
`16:17.25`	`TS\|Skrom_`	`except not LAN`
`16:18.55`	`Xuerian`	`Was following D&DO for a while.. Gave up after it passed beta. Was waiting for NWN2, but that kinda got shoved out the door a year premature..`
`16:19.11`	`TS\|Skrom_`	`I can't find my NWN cd's I'm bummed`
`16:19.55`	`Xuerian`	`<PROTECTED>`
`16:20.00`	`TS\|Skrom_`	`Nope`
`16:20.04`	`TS\|Skrom_`	`well, maybe`
`16:20.10`	`TS\|Skrom_`	`I don't know. Maybe on the second pc`
`16:20.15`	`Xuerian`	`If you do, your cdkey.ini has all your keys`
`16:20.19`	`Xuerian`	`You can just torrent the diamond dvd`
`16:20.40`	`TS\|Skrom_`	`I see`
`16:20.44`	`TS\|Skrom_`	`good to know`
`16:21.41`	`TS\|Skrom_`	`So far I've tried Fighter, Rogue and Cleric to level 2, and Sorceror to level 3`
`16:22.05`	`Xuerian`	`How long's it take to get them that far?`
`16:23.06`	`TS\|Skrom_`	`about 2 hours maybe for level 2`
`16:23.15`	`TS\|Skrom_`	`about 7 hours for leve3`
`16:23.24`	`TS\|Skrom_`	`maybe less I don't know`
`16:23.25`	`Xuerian`	`Max is 20?`
`16:23.27`	`TS\|Skrom_`	`time's flying`
`16:23.35`	`TS\|Skrom_`	`max is currently 12`
`16:23.40`	`TS\|Skrom_`	`increasing to 14 soon`
`16:23.45`	`Xuerian`	`Heh... owch`
`16:29.45`	`Cairenn`	`I know some people that so need this: http://www.nandahome.com/products.clocky.html`
`16:31.56`	`axxo`	`omg`
`16:32.00`	`axxo`	`gief! now!`
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`16:33.39`	`Bouvi`	`That is weird. A clock that runs from you.`
`16:33.55`	`axxo`	`no, that is brilliant`
`16:34.14`	`Bouvi`	`Still weird.`
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`16:37.59`	`Xuerian`	`lol. I saw that a while back, though it was a fuzzy one.`
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`16:41.01`	`Xuerian`	`Oh, they do sell fuzzy ones <.<`
`16:41.11`	`kergoth`	`thats awesome, i need that`
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`16:41.43`	`Xuerian`	`I'd just sleep through it =\|`
`16:41.53`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`16:41.56`	`sysrage`	`heh. i think i hit snooze 6 times this morning`
`16:42.06`	`kergoth`	`i was good, i only snoozed for about 20 minutes`
`16:51.27`	`jaxdahl`	`did you know you can put a blue gem in red socket?`
`16:51.34`	`jaxdahl`	`you just don't get the bonus`
`16:51.38`	`zenzelezz`	`yup`
`16:51.43`	`zenzelezz`	`goes for most gems I think`
`16:51.46`	`sysrage`	`interesting`
`16:51.49`	`sysrage`	`i didn't know that`
`16:51.55`	`zenzelezz`	`so be careful`
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`16:53.30`	`Kaso`	`Yah the colors are only for the bonuses, i know alot of people who just stack the same gem in all thier slots`
`16:53.38`	`Kaso`	`but thats a bad thing to do once you start getting meta gems`
`16:54.06`	`zenzelezz`	`so you mean it's intentional?`
`16:56.08`	`Kaso`	`yes`
`16:56.17`	`zenzelezz`	`interesting`
`16:56.29`	`Kaso`	`You can choose to stack one stat, but at a cost`
`16:56.30`	`zenzelezz`	`so I could load up all my sockets with 12 stamina`
`16:57.01`	`Kaso`	`if you're willing to take the cost yup`
`16:57.13`	`Kaso`	`i was like that in diablo too i think`
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`17:00.16`	`Gnarfoz`	`diablo had socket bonuses?`
`17:03.29`	`Kaso`	`nah you're right they didn't guess im just confabulating that memory`
`17:04.46`	`Industrial`	`my dad is my clock, when i press snooze he rips off the sheets:<`
`17:04.54`	`Industrial`	`crap didnt scroll down`
`17:04.59`	`Industrial`	`(about the clock thing)`
`17:05.04`	`Xuerian`	`rofl`
`17:05.12`	`Xuerian`	`Industrial++`
`17:05.24`	`Industrial`	`!karma Industrial`
`17:05.28`	`Industrial`	`:D?`
`17:05.30`	`Xuerian`	`Aw`
`17:05.32`	`Xuerian`	`bot gone :(`
`17:05.34`	`Industrial`	`aw`
`17:06.39`	`Industrial`	`wtb socketed greens at level 10+`
`17:06.43`	`Industrial`	`like diablo`
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`17:06.52`	`Industrial`	`poison damage and all that, fun >:)`
`17:07.00`	`Industrial`	`ah makes me wanna play diablo`
`17:07.02`	`Industrial`	`(2)`
`17:07.40`	`Industrial`	`i never played it online but the first char i made was a necromancer and I wanted as many minions as I could ghe ghe`
`17:07.55`	`Xuerian`	`Just play guildwars :p`
`17:08.19`	`Xuerian`	`Nothing quite like raising two bone fiends from your enemies' corpses and then killing them with a horde of eight or ten`
`17:08.20`	`Industrial`	`y\`
`17:08.26`	`Industrial`	`:o`
`17:08.41`	`Xuerian`	`Necromancer/Monk ftw :P`
`17:09.44`	`Industrial`	`You don't have to spend countless hours on a leveling treadmill to get to the interesting parts of the game, because combat is designed to be strategically interesting and challenging right from the beginning.`
`17:09.48`	`Industrial`	`why dont i believe this?`
`17:10.26`	`Industrial`	`in Guild Wars, all characters live in one seamless world.`
`17:10.27`	`Industrial`	`win`
`17:11.11`	`Kaso`	`I never liked guild wars what little i played of it`
`17:11.11`	`Xuerian`	`It's just seamless in different places XD`
`17:11.24`	`Kaso`	`the whole "instanced world" thing seemed so dis-joined to me`
`17:11.41`	`Xuerian`	`It doesn't compare to wow on the massive scale, but it beats the smoothness of wow pvp and the teamwork (except cohesive guild raids) hands down`
`17:12.08`	`Industrial`	`does it have siege and castles?`
`17:12.18`	`Xuerian`	`To a extent`
`17:12.26`	`Industrial`	`(i lvoed that in daoc)`
`17:13.08`	`Xuerian`	`Not like DOAC, but it does have guilds, guild wars (shocking), tournaments, and assaults on the guild hall of opposing factions :P`
`17:13.40`	`Industrial`	`ooo :P`
`17:16.50`	`Industrial`	`The Necromancer requires patience and discipline to master. <-- thats so my class :P`
`17:17.22`	`Xuerian`	`Necro is fun... :3`
`17:21.30`	`Industrial`	`is there an xday trial?`
`17:21.54`	`Industrial`	`holiday in 2 weeks im broke lol :P`
`17:22.02`	`Xuerian`	`You can get invitations from people for 10-day trials, I think`
`17:22.13`	`Industrial`	`k`
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`17:27.07`	`Jebster`	`hey alls`
`17:29.42`	`Xuerian`	`'oy.`
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`17:46.21`	`*** topic/#wowi-lounge is Paste Code Here: http://wowi.pastey.net/ \| Happy Valentine's Day!`
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`17:54.33`	`JoshBorke`	`purl, hug Cairenn`
`17:54.35`	`purl`	`ACTION sneaks up on Cairenn and suddenly hugs Cairenn tightly`
`17:54.40`	`Cairenn`	`purl, hug JoshBorke`
`17:54.42`	`purl`	`ACTION hugs JoshBorke tightly until JoshBorke turns slightly blue`
`17:55.21`	`TC_Working`	`i swear purls arms are going to fall off from all this huging`
`17:55.59`	`Elkano`	`~botsnack`
`17:55.59`	`purl`	`aw, gee, Elkano`
`17:56.25`	`JoshBorke`	`~whaleslap Xuerian`
`17:56.26`	`purl`	`ACTION beats Xuerian upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh`
`17:57.43`	`TC_Working`	`~whaleparry JoshBorke`
`17:57.45`	`purl`	`ACTION uses a slightly less-huge but eminently more agile killer whale named Edwardo to parry JoshBorke's attacks.`
`17:58.24`	`Elkano`	`~whalenametheft TC_Working`
`17:58.26`	`purl`	`ACTION watches in awe as a rather menacing whale named Reginald (who also happens to be well versed in the art of marketing) kicks TC_Working's ass and steals his/her name. The now anonymous target weeps.`
`17:58.31`	`JoshBorke`	`~whaledodge TC_Working`
`17:58.34`	`Xuerian`	`Hey, I didn't say it`
`17:58.37`	`Xuerian`	`You had to be thinking it too!`
`17:59.29`	`TC_Working`	`heh, someone had to much time on their hands`
`18:01.03`	`Jebster`	`what is a cartographer mod all about?`
`18:01.17`	`TC_Working`	`it's all about goodness`
`18:01.19`	`Xuerian`	`Everything map related :P`
`18:01.19`	`cogwheel\|work`	`Jebster: read its description :P`
`18:01.40`	`Jebster`	`oh... good idea lol :P`
`18:01.51`	`Jebster`	`what does cartographer mean?`
`18:02.05`	`TC_Working`	`it's old english`
`18:02.09`	`Xuerian`	`~dict Cartographer`
`18:02.10`	`TC_Working`	`for someone who makes maps`
`18:02.13`	`TC_Working`	`i think`
`18:02.13`	`Jebster`	`if i know what it means i can make a guess :P`
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`18:02.20`	`Xuerian`	`nubs.`
`18:02.27`	`Jebster`	`ok...`
`18:02.30`	`TC_Working`	`hey, i used my brain...`
`18:02.30`	`Jebster`	`thanks for the help`
`18:02.40`	`Xuerian`	`I used purl's brain :D`
`18:02.42`	`Xuerian`	`~botsnack`
`18:02.42`	`purl`	`:), Xuerian`
`18:03.02`	`TC_Working`	`wuss`
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`18:03.34`	`Xuerian`	`Information age isn't only about knowing things, it's knowing where to find things out :3`
`18:03.43`	`TC_Working`	`yes...in my head`
`18:03.51`	`Xuerian`	`Though that was just pure laziness. I knew it anyway :p`
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`18:05.08`	`TC_Working`	`sure....`
`18:05.50`	`Xuerian`	`I did o_0`
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`18:27.50`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`ding 70 (finally)`
`18:28.27`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`just 3000 more g till i can get my epic flying`
`18:28.30`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`yeehaw`
`18:29.02`	`sysrage`	`sucks. i need about 2k more but there's no more damn quests to do`
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`18:41.18`	`Industrial`	`was blizzard the first to implement ingame mail?`
`18:41.46`	`Industrial`	`sysrage: you did all quests?`
`18:42.18`	`sysrage`	`just have a few dungeon quests left`
`18:42.22`	`sysrage`	`and 2 group quests in SV`
`18:43.12`	`JoshBorke`	`Mr_Rabies: grats!`
`18:43.27`	`TC_Working`	`gratz Mr_Rabies2`
`18:43.45`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`haha thanks :p`
`18:43.55`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i really putzed around though`
`18:44.13`	`Xuerian`	`Grats, Mr_Rabies :P`
`18:44.13`	`TC_Working`	`hey i'm still 10k from 62`
`18:44.19`	`Industrial`	`lol`
`18:44.22`	`TC_Working`	`i know all about putzing around`
`18:44.50`	`Industrial`	`36:p`
`18:44.56`	`zenzelezz`	`you know things are slow when raid chat goes "[Raid] [...]: lol...today he asked me if he could be my rollercoaster, out of nowhere.. i said 'what?' he said 'so you can ride me whenever you want' i think not :P"`
`18:44.56`	`Xuerian`	`Bah XD`
`18:45.49`	`Industrial`	`zenzelezz: s/he/she/ :p`
`18:45.57`	`sysrage`	`http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php`
`18:45.58`	`sysrage`	`rofl`
`18:46.13`	`zenzelezz`	`Industrial: I'm just quoting`
`18:46.24`	`Industrial`	`i know :3`
`18:47.32`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`haha sys`
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`18:57.18`	`scotepi`	`anyone else notice settings arnt saving in 2.0.7?`
`18:58.26`	`cogwheel\|work`	`not me`
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`18:59.28`	`scotepi`	`there all "out of date" addons`
`19:00.40`	`cogwheel\|work`	`So enable out-of-date addons...`
`19:00.52`	`cogwheel\|work`	`You have to do that after every patch`
`19:00.58`	`scotepi`	`i did but there settings arnt being saved`
`19:01.15`	`Bouvi`	`Settings for what?`
`19:01.45`	`scotepi`	`all in one inventory, charicter viewer, characterprofiler`
`19:01.57`	`Kaso`	`have you tried saving and logging off a couple times? if you're on a mac do you have full write access to your wow folder still.`
`19:02.01`	`scotepi`	`and a few others`
`19:04.30`	`Bouvi`	`I have had no iddues but I am not using their mods.`
`19:07.20`	`scotepi`	`whats a good program to updates tocs? wowtoc is realy out of date`
`19:07.51`	`Kaso`	`Why do you want to update tocs?`
`19:08.30`	`Bouvi`	`I never update tocs. Why hassle with it when you can just check the load out of date option`
`19:08.47`	`Kaso`	`^exactly`
`19:09.01`	`scotepi`	`wtf`
`19:09.05`	`scotepi`	`2.0.8 is out`
`19:09.09`	`scotepi`	`like 5 sec ago`
`19:09.24`	`cogwheel\|work`	`The ## Interface number is there for a reason. If you go through a patch and are having trouble with your addons, you have an easy way to see what needs updating`
`19:10.05`	`Kaso`	`oh really?`
`19:10.17`	`scotepi`	`i just reloged and had a update`
`19:10.48`	`nevcairiel`	`us?`
`19:10.51`	`scotepi`	`yeah`
`19:10.53`	`Kaso`	`whats the notes say?`
`19:10.57`	`cogwheel\|work`	`are you sure?`
`19:11.03`	`scotepi`	`it just fixes arean scoreboard`
`19:11.29`	`scotepi`	`yes i jsut installed it`
`19:11.31`	`Kaso`	`Seems odd they'd push a patch live so quickly`
`19:11.36`	`cogwheel\|work`	`oh ... there it is`
`19:11.46`	`cogwheel\|work`	`weird... i logged in once and it wasn't there... now it is`
`19:11.49`	`scotepi`	`lol`
`19:11.55`	`Kaso`	`i'd be sorta weary incase they pushed a patch live too earily accidently like they did with 2.0.5`
`19:11.56`	`scotepi`	`"unable to validate game version" GG`
`19:12.06`	`Kaso`	`ah, i was right?`
`19:12.47`	`scotepi`	`now it works`
`19:12.59`	`nevcairiel`	`no patch for EU`
`19:13.00`	`nevcairiel`	`:)`
`19:13.08`	`scotepi`	`yet`
`19:13.16`	`nevcairiel`	`i guess`
`19:13.22`	`nevcairiel`	`i hope it finally fixes my roots!`
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`19:14.48`	`scotepi`	`nah`
`19:14.53`	`scotepi`	`its just a ui patch`
`19:16.29`	`JoshBorke`	`erm`
`19:16.34`	`JoshBorke`	`2.0.8 just got released?`
`19:16.35`	`JoshBorke`	`mid day?`
`19:16.46`	`scotepi`	`yeah`
`19:16.51`	`scotepi`	`it nothin major`
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`19:18.22`	`Bouvi`	`Need opinions from everyone except Cogwheel: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8568`
`19:18.31`	`scotepi`	`lol`
`19:18.32`	`nevcairiel`	`lol`
`19:19.10`	`JoshBorke`	`erm, now i can't login`
`19:19.10`	`Bouvi`	`Of course I am sure the first post there will be Cogwheels LOL`
`19:19.51`	`scotepi`	`grr`
`19:19.55`	`scotepi`	`game version again`
`19:20.12`	`scotepi`	`JoshBorke: try a few times`
`19:23.56`	`Kaso`	`Ooh we're getting [flyable] for macros wonderful`
`19:24.05`	`Kaso`	`that was someone in here's suggestion wasnt it?`
`19:24.33`	`cogwheel\|work`	`it's been on my 2.0 suggestions thread for months`
`19:24.42`	`JoshBorke`	`yea, works now`
`19:24.58`	`cogwheel\|work`	`don't know where the idea came from originally`
`19:26.05`	`Kaso`	`i guess it was fairly unanimous, its something obviously lacking from the current macro system`
`19:29.25`	`Bouvi`	`Are the 2.0.8 patch notes somewhere?`
`19:30.31`	`cogwheel\|work`	`Bouvi: it's one patch note... something along the lines of "fixes a display issue with arena scoreboard"`
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`19:31.05`	`Bouvi`	`Nice I just saw on forums where they hotfixed "The entagle ability of druids to work correctly:`
`19:31.17`	`cogwheel\|work`	`that's server-side`
`19:31.28`	`cogwheel\|work`	`the patch was simply a UI issue`
`19:31.32`	`Bouvi`	`Darn details lol`
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`19:37.22`	`KrmtDfrog`	`surprisingly large channel, 120 idlers?`
`19:38.26`	`Kaso`	`That it is.`
`19:39.24`	`Bouvi`	`Of course statistically speaking it is not even 1% of the people that deal with this game. If 1% joined the server would prob crash.`
`19:40.23`	`Bouvi`	`Imagine 80,000 people in this one channel`
`19:40.23`	`KrmtDfrog`	`obv`
`19:40.30`	`KrmtDfrog`	`considering #wow has 6 ppl including chanserv`
`19:40.38`	`cogwheel\|work`	`a lot of people leave this channel on in the background so they're available if people need them`
`19:40.52`	`KrmtDfrog`	`rather surprising that this many ppl would give a damn about a wiki`
`19:40.53`	`KrmtDfrog`	`heh`
`19:41.08`	`Kaso`	`this aint #wowwiki`
`19:41.11`	`cogwheel\|work`	`it's not "about a wiki"`
`19:41.11`	`Xuerian`	`KrmtDfrog: this isn't the wiki channel, though :P`
`19:41.27`	`cogwheel\|work`	`it's about modding in general`
`19:41.33`	`KrmtDfrog`	`oh well then`
`19:41.34`	`cogwheel\|work`	`s/modding/wow modding/`
`19:41.37`	`KrmtDfrog`	`how bout that :B`
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`19:42.53`	`Kaso`	`bye then`
`19:43.32`	`Bouvi`	`People that just go from channel to channel amuse me.`
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`19:46.00`	`jinxed`	`yo`
`19:48.37`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Gryphen (n=gryphon@mail.alexdevco.com)`
`19:50.17`	`jinxed`	`i found some info that doesnt seem like its right on one of the pages`
`19:50.22`	`jinxed`	`who can change/fix/verify?`
`19:51.02`	`Bouvi`	`What are you talking about?`
`19:51.03`	`Kaso`	`Where do you mean?`
`19:51.27`	`cogwheel\|work`	`if you mean wowwiki, you can fix it yourself :P`
`19:52.18`	`jinxed`	`O.o`
`19:52.23`	`jinxed`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Enchantment`
`19:52.26`	`jinxed`	`the presence of might`
`19:52.27`	`Bouvi`	`We are wow modders not wiki people`
`19:52.38`	`jinxed`	`oh O.o`
`19:52.42`	`jinxed`	`did i join the wrong channel?`
`19:52.43`	`Kaso`	`#wowwiki`
`19:52.54`	`Kaso`	`but the whole point of a wiki is that anyone can edit it`
`19:52.56`	`jinxed`	`O.o woops`
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`19:53.19`	`jinxed`	`i thought it would have been managed due to 8million ppl your bound to find a bad egg ;x`
`19:53.47`	`Kaso`	`and a team of dedicated nerds who watch out and revert any vandilsim`
`19:53.59`	`jinxed`	`ah`
`19:54.14`	`jinxed`	`i have been in search of a mod that makes it so ppl/npc/mobs that are more than like 20yards away readable`
`19:54.28`	`jinxed`	`so it enlarges names the farther they are away`
`19:54.37`	`jinxed`	`or makes them easy to read`
`19:54.40`	`jinxed`	`anyone know about one?`
`19:54.49`	`Kaso`	`the text above the heads of units isnt alterable by mods im afraid`
`19:56.28`	`jinxed`	`hmm`
`19:56.29`	`jinxed`	`thats lame.`
`20:06.49`	`Esamynn`	`~poke cogwheel\|work`
`20:06.51`	`purl`	`ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind cogwheel\|work, pokes cogwheel\|work repeatedly, hilarity ensues.`
`20:06.53`	`Esamynn`	`~bzfrag Bouvi`
`20:06.55`	`purl`	`ACTION blindsides Bouvi with an invisible bullet`
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`20:23.13`	`Kaso`	`i find this article amusing: http://theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=37666`
`20:25.33`	`Kaso`	`gulp!`
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`20:35.35`	`Jebster_0075`	`Hi`
`20:35.42`	`Gryphen`	`he3ya`
`20:35.52`	`Kaso`	`welcome`
`20:36.16`	`Jebster_0075`	`What should i do if i dont have an addon folder in my interface folder?`
`20:36.29`	`Kaso`	`Create one, "AddOns"`
`20:36.37`	`JoshBorke`	`log in to wow and it'll create one for you`
`20:36.44`	`Kaso`	`or that too`
`20:36.46`	`Jebster_0075`	`ok, will do`
`20:36.59`	`Kaso`	`yah forgot about the default wow addons nowadays`
`20:43.02`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_mirrors`
`20:43.07`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i'm pretty sure there's not a 2.0.8`
`20:43.13`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i think that may be a keylogger :O`
`20:43.13`	`cogwheel\|work`	`yep`
`20:43.16`	`cogwheel\|work`	`just came out today`
`20:43.26`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`really? wth?`
`20:43.52`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`link to notes? :O`
`20:44.07`	`cogwheel\|work`	`only one note... they fixed a display issue with the arena scoreboard`
`20:44.33`	`sysrage`	`can't believe my damn pet bar is STILL fubar`
`20:44.35`	`sysrage`	`bastards`
`20:44.53`	`cogwheel\|work`	`sysrage: uninstall whatever addon is tainting it`
`20:45.16`	`sysrage`	`but i need my cooldown count!`
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`20:46.24`	`Jebster_0075`	`i made that addon folder in the interface folder but i still dont have the addon button when i log in...`
`20:46.54`	`Jebster_0075`	`so i cant use it...`
`20:46.58`	`JoshBorke`	`Jebster_0075: you won't until you install third party addons`
`20:47.05`	`Jebster_0075`	`what are they`
`20:47.26`	`jinxed`	`i dl'd 2.08 via blizzard DLr`
`20:47.29`	`jinxed`	`arena fixes`
`20:47.31`	`JoshBorke`	`addons (also known as mods) are things that can enhance your play experience`
`20:47.38`	`Jebster_0075`	`yea`
`20:47.51`	`Jebster_0075`	`but what are third party ones?`
`20:48.06`	`JoshBorke`	`ones not released by blizzard`
`20:48.56`	`Jebster_0075`	`i have just downloaded tha gatherer one from here, and when i went to copy it into th addon folder inside the interfacefolder, the addon folder wasnt rthere...`
`20:49.25`	`Kaso`	`Just make the folder then`
`20:49.59`	`Jebster_0075`	`i did, then i pt the gatherer addon inside it and restarted wow and i couldt see the addon button in the bottom left...`
`20:50.10`	`JoshBorke`	`then you probably did something wrong`
`20:50.16`	`Jebster_0075`	`like...`
`20:50.25`	`JoshBorke`	`did you unzip the gatherer addon?`
`20:51.00`	`Jebster_0075`	`yes, should i or should inot delete thezipped folder icon afer ive unziped it? and keep the folder thats unzipped?`
`20:51.15`	`JoshBorke`	`you don't need the zipped one, let me find the FAQ on wowi, one sec`
`20:51.21`	`Jebster_0075`	`ok`
`20:51.24`	`JoshBorke`	`and then i gotta go`
`20:51.29`	`Jebster_0075`	`kk`
`20:51.47`	`JoshBorke`	`http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/faq.php?faq=install#faq_howto_install`
`20:51.49`	`JoshBorke`	`ok, bb`
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`20:52.57`	`Jebster_0069`	`sorry about that,can you give me the link again?`
`20:53.04`	`Kaso`	`http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/faq.php?faq=install#faq_howto_install`
`20:53.11`	`Jebster_0069`	`thanks`
`20:53.33`	`Gryphen`	`hehe`
`21:01.14`	`sysrage`	`http://wow-en.curse-gaming.com/files/details/6138/petbarfix/`
`21:01.15`	`sysrage`	`woot`
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`21:07.16`	`Scre3m`	`can anyone here suggest a GOOD wireless mouse (for playing WoW)?`
`21:07.27`	`cogwheel\|work`	`<3 logitech g7`
`21:07.42`	`cogwheel\|work`	`just got mine last week :)`
`21:07.43`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`Mx1000`
`21:07.46`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`is superior`
`21:07.54`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`sorry, g7 is made of fail`
`21:08.06`	`Bouvi`	`I love my Wireless Intellimouse by (shudder) microsoft`
`21:08.11`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`my battery lasts for about a week of solid wow play :p`
`21:08.41`	`Scre3m`	`i don't see mx1000 on newegg, got a link?`
`21:09.02`	`Bouvi`	`http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-MX1000-Laser-Cordless-Mouse/dp/B0002UM0JW`
`21:09.42`	`Scre3m`	`wonder why newegg doesn't have it`
`21:10.25`	`Bouvi`	`Nice looking mouse`
`21:10.39`	`cogwheel\|work`	`i've used the g7, g5 (same but wired) & the mx1000... I like the g7 better... /shrug`
`21:11.00`	`Kaso`	`I always loved my razer for gaming, the mx1000 always seemed so heavy`
`21:11.06`	`Scre3m`	`this one? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16826104203`
`21:11.09`	`Kaso`	`then again, i also dispise coardless mice`
`21:11.12`	`nevcairiel`	`ive a g5 right now, and i wouldnt want anything else`
`21:11.19`	`cogwheel\|work`	`Scre3m: yep`
`21:11.32`	`Scre3m`	`does it have a "tilt" wheel?`
`21:11.37`	`cogwheel\|work`	`yep`
`21:11.45`	`Scre3m`	`im looking for more buttons to use with HealBot and Clique`
`21:11.54`	`Scre3m`	`cool, i'll get that one`
`21:12.34`	`cogwheel\|work`	`yeah... it's got left, right, middle, tilt right, tilt left, back, & the two DPI buttons can be reconfigured (i use them for cycling my stances)`
`21:13.30`	`Scre3m`	`how long does battery last before recharging?`
`21:13.49`	`TC_Working`	`2 min`
`21:13.51`	`cogwheel\|work`	`It comes with two batteries that you can easily swap out`
`21:14.28`	`cogwheel\|work`	`I've only changed mine once in the last week, but I can't say I've really sat at my computer much in that time... it's been... unruly recently`
`21:15.29`	`pastamancer`	`hrm, does UnitExists throw an error if you call it with a string that isn't a valid unitid (ex. UnitExists("taco"))? I'm at work, otherwise I'd check myself.`
`21:16.37`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`<Kaso> I always loved my razer for gaming, the mx1000 always seemed so heavy`
`21:16.59`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`the thing about the mx1000 is when you grip it it feels lighter than most other mice because you grip it with 3 fingers instead of 2`
`21:17.30`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`and it doesn't act like a wireless mouse at all, i've had no problems with it, even in a room with 3 mx1000s in it`
`21:17.30`	`wobin`	`oh man`
`21:17.34`	`wobin`	`If a taco didn't exist, WoW wouldn't be worth playing =P`
`21:17.43`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`but it only works for righties :x`
`21:17.54`	`Kaso`	`The thing i have with wireless is the chargers, i always forget to put em back on charge and i end up running out mid way through a session`
`21:18.21`	`Shadowed`	`Scre3m: MX1000!`
`21:18.26`	`Kaso`	`also the wieght of the batteries`
`21:18.33`	`Kaso`	`comparied to a wired you cant compete`
`21:18.37`	`Scre3m`	`does the MX1000 have a tilt wheel?`
`21:18.58`	`Shadowed`	`If you mean can you tilt the scroll wheel, then yes`
`21:19.18`	`Shadowed`	`Although I don't think WoW will pick that up`
`21:19.37`	`cogwheel\|work`	`Kaso: the g7 actually has a pretty light-weight battery. it comes with two, one sits in the charger, the other in the mouse so you can easily swap if it goes dead.`
`21:19.38`	`Shadowed`	`Kaso: I just got two MX1000 mouses since one was getting worn out, i'd use the old one if the new one went dead, 10-20m later i could use it again`
`21:19.55`	`TC_Working`	`http://www.reallifecomics.com/archive/050210.html`
`21:20.04`	`TC_Working`	`old but still funny`
`21:20.07`	`cogwheel\|work`	`Shadowed: you can configure the tilt wheel to pretend like it's an obsucure key combination`
`21:20.20`	`Shadowed`	`cogwheel\|work: ahh`
`21:20.25`	`Kaso`	`hmm, i guess thats better than the old days of coreless mice`
`21:20.41`	`Shadowed`	`If you're planning on doing FPS games then you probably want a wired mice, but I like wireless more personally`
`21:21.17`	`Shadowed`	`The MX Revolution looks kind of fun but i've heard some bad reviews`
`21:23.26`	`Scre3m`	`well now i don't know what to get ;)`
`21:23.32`	`Scre3m`	`i do play some fps`
`21:23.44`	`TC_Working`	`i'm quite happy with my copperhead`
`21:23.48`	`Scre3m`	`but i hate having to constantly pull the wire up on the desk`
`21:24.12`	`Scre3m`	`and i want more buttons for click casting in WoW`
`21:24.17`	`Shadowed`	`I've used my MX1000 for FPS/lan parties and such I didn't notice much of a difference. Honestly unless you're going to be a hard core FPS player I wouldn't worry about it to much`
`21:24.25`	`Scre3m`	`ok`
`21:24.48`	`TC_Working`	`copperhead comes with a 7ft. cord...plenty of room and 7 buttons`
`21:25.00`	`TC_Working`	`s/room/length/`
`21:25.01`	`scotepi`	`Logitech G5 FTW`
`21:25.24`	`scotepi`	`just wish it had a forward`
`21:25.59`	`TC_Working`	`this is so retarded "Razer Pro-Tools� (Sold separately)`
`21:25.59`	`TC_Working`	`Up to 3 customizable weight standards and optional dummy buttons*`
`21:25.59`	`TC_Working`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:25.59`	`TC_Working`	`* Using Pro-Tools will void your warranty."`
`21:27.22`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`<Kaso> hmm, i guess thats better than the old days of coreless mice`
`21:27.30`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`the charge lasts for a week or so, a 4 hour charge`
`21:27.44`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`and you can charge it every night and not have to worry about the battery taking on a memory`
`21:27.50`	`scotepi`	`my logitech bluetoth mouse has been going for 4 months so far`
`21:29.04`	`AnduinLothar`	`i haven't foudn a bluetooth mouse i like yet. but i love my bluetooth keyboard`
`21:32.40`	`Shadowed`	`haven't found a wireless keyboard I like, or a wired. they stopped making the one I use :(`
`21:33.02`	`scotepi`	`i used to use a logitech mx duo, RF`
`21:33.07`	`scotepi`	`no probs ever with it`
`21:33.33`	`AnduinLothar`	`I <3 the apple wireless bluetooth, but if you don't have a mac, some of the buttons will be useless. tho there are drivers fro XP, but not vista`
`21:33.48`	`Shadowed`	`I was using the old version of http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products/details/CA/EN,CRID=2166,CONTENTID=10568`
`21:33.57`	`Shadowed`	`Probably going to get a G11 or G15 next`
`21:36.02`	`scotepi`	`>3 my g15... i just wish it would come with beter LCD apps`
`21:36.16`	`scotepi`	`and the wow display didnt suck`
`21:38.00`	`wobin`	`7 Buttons?`
`21:38.08`	`wobin`	`I only have 5 fingers =P`
`21:39.17`	`TC_Working`	`learn to use your fingers better`
`21:39.17`	`TC_Working`	`women will......nvm......`
`21:43.22`	`Shadowed`	`7 button mice aren't that bad, I just find it to be to much to keep track of in PVP/PVE where I need to react quickly`
`21:43.29`	`wobin`	`feh`
`21:43.30`	`Shadowed`	`rather control 2-3 buttons on my mice and the rest on the keyboard`
`21:43.33`	`wobin`	`7 is overkill`
`21:43.34`	`wobin`	`http://images.thatimagesite.com/core/409/409_image.jpg`
`21:44.25`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`mind in gutter`
`21:44.25`	`wobin`	`It's a perfectly innocent image =)`
`21:44.25`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i did not think mouse immediately upon seeing that picture`
`21:44.27`	`AnduinLothar`	`there needs to be a way to mount while falling...`
`21:44.35`	`Shadowed`	`roll druid`
`21:44.36`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`reroll druid`
`21:44.38`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`ha`
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`21:45.04`	`AnduinLothar`	`StupidMount2 is gonna kill me now that i have a flying mt`
`21:45.12`	`Shadowed`	`haha`
`21:45.24`	`Shadowed`	`I wish Blizzard hadn't fixed the defensive stance bug, would have been nice to survive any fall with 10% health`
`21:45.24`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i just use getoffgetgoing`
`21:46.14`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`it'll skip certain gossip frames and dismount/deshift you at flight masters automatically and stuff`
`21:47.15`	`Shadowed`	`Doesn't WoW automatically dismount you by default now for flight masters?`
`21:47.36`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i dunno`
`21:47.43`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i've used getoffgetgoing for so long`
`21:47.48`	`scotepi`	`no it doesnt`
`21:47.49`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`tofu does it too`
`21:47.55`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`ToFu`
`21:48.03`	`Guillotine`	`InFlight, Automaton, a bunch do it now`
`21:50.02`	`jinxed`	`yes it does`
`21:50.20`	`jinxed`	`i was using default ui before, it does dismount you once you open the flight path window`
`21:50.39`	`Shadowed`	`could have sworn they added that in like 1.12`
`21:50.41`	`wobin`	`hm`
`21:50.50`	`wobin`	`I've still gotten the 'You're already mounted' message though`
`21:51.07`	`Shadowed`	`theres a small lag between the dismounting`
`21:52.04`	`Shadowed`	`i'll check in a second`
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`21:53.20`	`Shadowed`	`hrm`
`21:53.35`	`Shadowed`	`I shouldn't jump off my flying mount with 40% health I guess`
`21:54.13`	`Gnarfoz`	`default ui does dismount you at flightmasters`
`21:54.29`	`cogwheel\|work`	`Gnarfoz: since when?`
`21:55.04`	`Shadowed`	`cogwheel\|work: Either 2.0 or 1.12ish`
`21:55.25`	`sysrage`	`anybody got a link that explains wtf the KTM message during startup means that says "PERIODICAURAHEALOTHEROTHER has been changed from '%s gains %d health from blablalalblabl ?`
`21:55.34`	`Shadowed`	`When you click the "Show me where I can fly" gossip it dismounts you`
`21:56.19`	`Shadowed`	`sysrage: It probably means that KTM was expecting it to be "%s gains %d health from blah" and it was changed to something else eg, the mod wouldn't work very well and you need to update it`
`21:56.31`	`Guillotine`	`sysrage: sounds to me like its saying part of the`
`21:56.32`	`sysrage`	`sigh thank you captain obvious`
`21:56.35`	`sysrage`	`i have the latest version`
`21:56.38`	`Guillotine`	`Shadowed beat me to it :(`
`21:56.44`	`sysrage`	`the curse gaming page doesn't say anything about it`
`21:56.58`	`Guillotine`	`give the author a couple days to update it`
`21:56.58`	`Gnarfoz`	`cogwheel\|work: can't find it in the patch.txt, but as Shadowed said, I swear it's been added recently`
`21:57.15`	`Shadowed`	`sysrage: You asked wtf it means, I told you :p`
`21:57.35`	`cogwheel\|work`	`neat`
`21:58.10`	`Mike-N-Go`	`Can anyone confirm the satis of SetSendMailCOD()?`
`21:58.16`	`Mike-N-Go`	`It does not work for me.`
`21:58.20`	`sysrage`	`i've never had the default ui auto dismount me. i have a fubar plugin that does it though. without that plugin it always says you're already mounted or something`
`21:58.21`	`Shadowed`	`Mike-N-Go one second`
`21:58.34`	`Mike-N-Go`	`http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6139-AutoMailDirector.html, my addon.`
`21:59.29`	`Shadowed`	`Mike-N-Go: I'm typing /script SetSendMailCOD( 100 ) and nothing is happening`
`21:59.37`	`Mike-N-Go`	`I have tried even editing the gold, silver, copper, and clicking the COD button programitlcy based on MailFrame.lua; but no cheese.`
`21:59.50`	`Mike-N-Go`	`Well, as it says: SetSendMailCOD(amount) - Make next mail sent using SendMail() COD target for amount.`
`22:00.01`	`Gnarfoz`	`or maybe we've got a case of "some addon does this, but we don't know or realize it" again, cogwheel\|work :D`
`22:00.09`	`Mike-N-Go`	`So, you would have to mail it to an alt and wait an hour..`
`22:00.11`	`Shadowed`	`Gnarfoz: I doubt it, none of mine do that`
`22:00.17`	`Shadowed`	`Mike-N-Go: Okay, well want to wait an hour? :p`
`22:00.37`	`Mike-N-Go`	`Oh, and an item would need to be attached, I think`
`22:00.43`	`Mike-N-Go`	`I am at work now :)`
`22:00.46`	`cogwheel\|work`	`Gnarfoz: nope... I just logged in with all addons disabled and it dismounted me :)`
`22:00.48`	`Shadowed`	`I just mailed an arrow to my alt, i'll tell you in an hour`
`22:00.53`	`Mike-N-Go`	`So I will be home in about 1 or 2 hours.`
`22:01.25`	`Gnarfoz`	`cogwheel\|work: then it's a case of 'changelog incomplete' but that's nothing new ^^`
`22:01.32`	`Mike-N-Go`	`If you could try using my addon to mail, a second opinion of my code may help.`
`22:01.37`	`cogwheel\|work`	`heh`
`22:01.44`	`Mike-N-Go`	`Isn't this fun, 2 conversations :)`
`22:02.19`	`Shadowed`	`Gnarfoz: i'm like 99% sure they put that in the patch notes`
`22:02.21`	`Mike-N-Go`	`Thanks for the help, Shadowed.`
`22:02.37`	`Shadowed`	`no problem`
`22:02.45`	`Gnarfoz`	`Shadowed: I know, I didn't have an addon for that, and I read about it before I noticed it ingame, but it's not there o_O`
`22:03.00`	`Shadowed`	`My guess is the UI isn't updating when you call SetSendMailCOD but the amount is actually being attached`
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`22:03.08`	`Shadowed`	`Gnarfoz: Weird`
`22:03.39`	`Gnarfoz`	`that is, if patch.txt is indeed a concatenation of all patches since the dawn of (I was going to say time ;D) wow`
`22:03.43`	`Mike-N-Go`	`It says 'the next mail'..`
`22:03.59`	`Shadowed`	`well will find out!`
`22:04.12`	`Mike-N-Go`	`http://pastey.net/6733, my current code`
`22:04.40`	`Mike-N-Go`	`The block starting on line 200 is where the COD stuff starts.`
`22:05.01`	`Shadowed`	`Maybe they made it require a key press`
`22:06.28`	`Mike-N-Go`	`Boo, my place of work has a firewall up. Thus preventing WoW's Blizzard Patcher from operating..`
`22:07.00`	`Gnarfoz`	`preventing?`
`22:07.09`	`Gnarfoz`	`or just making it say 'you're firewalled'`
`22:09.41`	`Mike-N-Go`	`Well, 157 KBs have DLed.`
`22:09.54`	`Mike-N-Go`	`And it says that it appears to be firelwalled.`
`22:13.29`	`Kaso`	`i would say to just grab it off a patch mirror, but if youre at work you might not wanna risk a virus on there`
`22:14.05`	`Mike-N-Go`	`My work is school :)`
`22:14.22`	`Mike-N-Go`	`I have a basically free period.`
`22:14.37`	`Kaso`	`you on your laptop or something?`
`22:15.06`	`Mike-N-Go`	`I am on a Mac, so if there was a virus the ramifications of it affecting me are slim.`
`22:15.12`	`Mike-N-Go`	`Yes, a MacBook Pro`
`22:15.24`	`Kaso`	`grab a patch off a mirror then`
`22:16.12`	`Mike-N-Go`	`~wowpatchmirror`
`22:16.27`	`Mike-N-Go`	`~search wow patch mirror`
`22:16.31`	`Mike-N-Go`	`:(`
`22:16.37`	`Cide`	`www.google.com`
`22:17.03`	`Karrion`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_mirrors`
`22:17.51`	`Cide`	`I'm too lazy!`
`22:19.52`	`Kaso`	`purl patch is http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_mirrors`
`22:19.54`	`purl`	`...but patch is already something else...`
`22:19.58`	`Kaso`	`!patch`
`22:20.01`	`Kaso`	`woops`
`22:20.06`	`Kaso`	`~patch`
`22:20.07`	`purl`	from memory, patch is just a tool to handle text file mutations according to a common format known as 'diff'. For kernel patching use (depending on type of patch): 'patch -p1 < patch.diff' or 'zcat patch.gz \| patch -p1' or 'bzcat patch.bz2 \| patch -p1', or `patch -ruN old_dir new_dir > tree.diff`
`22:20.08`	`Mike-N-Go`	`Any patch for mac you know of?`
`22:20.17`	`Mike-N-Go`	`I have just found .exes..`
`22:20.19`	`Kaso`	`ok you can keep that`
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`22:23.07`	`Shadowed`	`Pre orded a book a few months ago on Amazon, got it a week okay and today they send an email saying it's coming out in two weeks`
`22:23.20`	`Shadowed`	`okay = ago!`
`22:24.02`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`rofl`
`22:24.09`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`maybe theyll send you two`
`22:24.11`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`:O`
`22:26.35`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Gnarfoz_ (i=smallbra@unaffiliated/gnarfoz)`
`22:26.47`	`TC_Working`	`are you sure it's not the hardback/paperback difference?`
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`22:34.20`	`Mike-N-Go`	`purl wowpatch is http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_mirrors`
`22:34.25`	`purl`	`Mike-N-Go: okay`
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`22:35.18`	`*** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o cladhaire] by ChanServ`
`22:35.58`	`Mike-N-Go`	`purl wowpatchmirror is http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_mirrors`
`22:35.59`	`purl`	`okay, Mike-N-Go`
`22:36.06`	`Mike-N-Go`	`purl wowpatchmirrors is http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_mirrors`
`22:36.07`	`purl`	`okay, Mike-N-Go`
`22:37.53`	`Cide`	`how unnecessary, heh`
`22:38.13`	`kergoth`	`purl: forget wowpatchmirrors`
`22:38.13`	`purl`	`i forgot wowpatchmirrors, kergoth`
`22:38.26`	`kergoth`	`purl: wowpatchmirrors is <reply> see also wowpatchmirror`
`22:38.28`	`purl`	`okay, kergoth`
`22:38.32`	`kergoth`	`~wowpatchmirrors`
`22:38.33`	`purl`	`it has been said that wowpatchmirror is http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_mirrors`
`22:38.33`	`Mike-N-Go`	`purl, unforget`
`22:38.39`	`kergoth`	`Mike-N-Go: no, i think not.`
`22:38.55`	`kergoth`	`there, thatsw hat you wanted, only now you only have to change one if you ever have to change it`
`22:38.58`	`kergoth`	`no point duplicating the information`
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`22:39.22`	`*** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o cladhaire] by ChanServ`
`22:39.23`	`Mike-N-Go`	`What would happen if I did: Purl, forget unforget :P`
`22:39.25`	`Cide`	`purl, onforget wowpatch`
`22:39.30`	`Cide`	`purl, unforget wowpatch`
`22:39.30`	`purl`	`Cide: cannot undeleted 'wowpatch' because it already exists!`
`22:39.36`	`Cide`	`...`
`22:39.40`	`Cide`	`I'm tired or something`
`22:39.43`	`Cide`	`purl, forget wowpatch`
`22:39.43`	`purl`	`Cide: i forgot wowpatch`
`22:39.54`	`kergoth`	`Mike-N-Go: you're assuming that 'forget' and the like are factoids`
`22:39.56`	`kergoth`	`they are not.`
`22:39.57`	`Cide`	`purl: wowpatch is <reply> see also wowpatchmirror`
`22:39.58`	`purl`	`okay, Cide`
`22:39.58`	`kergoth`	`they're bot commands`
`22:40.47`	`Mike-N-Go`	`I just wondered, hypothetical.`
`22:42.02`	`Mike-N-Go`	`~kergoth`
`22:42.03`	`purl`	`rumour has it, kergoth is Chris Larson, an open source developer working for CSC in Phoenix, AZ. Core developer on OpenZaurus, OpenEmbedded/BitBake, and TSLib. Often the resident BOFH and SCM(svn) nazi, and often an ass. Newbies and the clueless beware. Email at clarson@kergoth.com.`
`22:44.12`	`Mike-N-Go`	`Well, Shadowed, I hope you get some results; cya in an hour or so.`
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`23:06.03`	`bleetah`	`and now for your 'idiot of the day' story... " An Eyre Peninsula man is the talk of the town after catching a bronze whaler shark in his hands and wrestling it up onto a jetty." http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200702/s1849109.htm`
`23:09.43`	`Esamynn`	`lol`
`23:09.55`	`bleetah`	`I like the vodka reference`
`23:10.01`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`rofl`
`23:14.39`	`Legorol`	`morning guys`
`23:14.47`	`Legorol`	`is US getting/gotten 2.0.8?`
`23:14.51`	`TC_Working`	`morining Legorol`
`23:15.00`	`TC_Working`	`...morning*`
`23:16.06`	`bleetah`	`Legorol: gotten`
`23:16.24`	`Legorol`	`i take it notes are not up yet`
`23:16.37`	`bleetah`	`think they are, just a fix for druid entangling roots`
`23:16.45`	`bleetah`	`oh, no, hang on`
`23:16.59`	`bleetah`	`that was lastnight's hotfix.. this is an arena display patch`
`23:17.37`	`bleetah`	`"Fixed several display issues with the arena battle final scoreboard."`
`23:17.47`	`bleetah`	`http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/patchnotes/`
`23:19.39`	`Kaso`	`What was wrong with the scoreboard`
`23:19.48`	`Legorol`	`can you link me to the druid hotfix? i take it that was server side`
`23:20.59`	`Kaso`	`that was just done server side yah`
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`23:23.15`	`Legorol`	`anyone who understands resilience and defense very well, i have a question:`
`23:23.36`	`Legorol`	`i understand that resilience converts a crit to a hit`
`23:23.50`	`Legorol`	`does increased defense do the same to crits?`
`23:24.05`	`Legorol`	`or does increased defense convert crits to misses`
`23:24.37`	`Legorol`	`i know that 1 point of defense (not defense rating, but actual defense skill) decreases the chance of being affected by a critically hit by .04%`
`23:24.51`	`Legorol`	`i just don't know if this means it is converted to a hit, like with resilience`
`23:24.54`	`Cide`	`which turns that into a hit`
`23:25.03`	`Legorol`	`ok`
`23:25.08`	`Kaso`	`are we sure defense still does that?`
`23:25.13`	`Legorol`	`i am not`
`23:25.14`	`Cide`	`but defense also increases dodge/parry/block by 0.04%`
`23:25.23`	`Kaso`	`it seems they might have removed that part now that resiliance is in the game`
`23:25.23`	`Legorol`	`and i would really love to know, because that was going to be my next question`
`23:25.32`	`Cide`	`I doubt it Kaso`
`23:25.43`	`Legorol`	`although it takes less resilience rating than defense rating to achieve -1%,`
`23:25.49`	`Legorol`	`defense also adds dodge/parry/block`
`23:25.51`	`Cide`	`resilience is not a substitute for defense`
`23:26.11`	`Cide`	`they've stated that defense is for tanking/PvE, whereas resilience is for PvP`
`23:26.19`	`Kaso`	`i guess theres no prob with def and dodge/whatever overlapping, so yah perhaps not`
`23:26.33`	`Legorol`	`e.g. at 70, takes 60 defense rating to get -1% to dodge, block, parry, crit and +1% miss`
`23:26.39`	`Cide`	`the only reason they would remove -crit on defense is because of the changed +skill semantics`
`23:26.44`	`Legorol`	`with resilience, takes 39.4 to just get -1% crit`
`23:27.09`	`Cide`	`since defense is basically the inverse of weapon skill (or has been in the past)`
`23:27.13`	`Legorol`	`so i don't see the point of ever having resilience, on a point-per-point basis, defense gives me much more avoidance`
`23:27.24`	`Kaso`	`true`
`23:27.27`	`Cide`	`Legorol: resilience is for pvp, like I said`
`23:27.35`	`Legorol`	`even in pvp, i don't see a reason to use resilience`
`23:27.40`	`Cide`	`and not really aimed for warriors anyway`
`23:27.52`	`Kaso`	`resilience works for spell crits whereas def does not`
`23:27.57`	`Legorol`	`Cide: what's the change to +skill semantics?`
`23:28.05`	`Legorol`	`i thought the +skill changes only affected glancing blows`
`23:28.11`	`Cide`	`right`
`23:28.16`	`Cide`	`well...`
`23:28.20`	`Legorol`	`so irrelevant to pvp, isn't it?`
`23:28.28`	`Legorol`	`Kaso: really?`
`23:28.35`	`Legorol`	`ok, that's a big and new thing`
`23:28.40`	`Legorol`	`that makes it much more valuable`
`23:29.00`	`Cide`	`no, weapon skill adds (or used to add anyway) crit% too`
`23:29.03`	`Legorol`	`Kaso: is that something you heard, or can you link somewhere?`
`23:29.08`	`Cide`	`but I don't know if that still applies`
`23:29.18`	`Kaso`	`umm, lemme see if i can find anything`
`23:29.23`	`Legorol`	`Cide: do you mean "The player will gain 0.1% to their critical strike rating per weapon skill against monsters above their level"`
`23:29.30`	`Cide`	`no`
`23:29.40`	`Cide`	`well, that might be a part of the change`
`23:29.54`	`Legorol`	`i just dug that up as part of the change, according to wowwiki`
`23:29.57`	`Cide`	`but they were really vague when they announced the changes`
`23:29.59`	`Legorol`	`(went and looked when you mentioned it)`
`23:30.09`	`Legorol`	`i can't find the original blue post`
`23:30.12`	`Cide`	`so I can't say for certain what exactly is affected`
`23:30.19`	`Legorol`	`yeah that's my problem too :(`
`23:30.27`	`Legorol`	`was a bit vague on it at the time, and now i can't even find orignal post`
`23:30.29`	`Cide`	`// Add Crit/Hit based on weapon skill`
`23:30.30`	`Cide`	`$stats['hit'] += $melee*0.04;`
`23:30.30`	`Cide`	`$stats['crit'] += $melee*0.04;`
`23:30.35`	`Cide`	`that was pre-changes`
`23:30.53`	`Legorol`	`uhm... wait`
`23:31.06`	`Legorol`	`what's $melee, the difference in your skill vs. opponent's defense?`
`23:31.15`	`Cide`	`no, that's for ctprofiles`
`23:31.22`	`Kaso`	`Legorol, http://blue.cardplace.com/newcache/us/31003104.htm`
`23:31.24`	`Cide`	`it's the change in melee skill from last update`
`23:31.36`	`Legorol`	`ok you lost me`
`23:31.45`	`Legorol`	`we must be talking about the same thing then`
`23:31.54`	`Cide`	`I don't recalculate all stats every single time a piece of gear changes`
`23:32.42`	`Cide`	`so $melee there is the change in melee skill - for absolute value, it's base + (skill-maxSkill)*0.04)`
`23:32.48`	`Legorol`	`hold on a sec`
`23:32.56`	`Legorol`	`i think we need to travel back in time a bit :-)`
`23:32.57`	`Cide`	`where maxSkill is playerLevel*5`
`23:33.10`	`Legorol`	`did they introduce the weapon skill changes at the same time as the new combat rating system?`
`23:33.20`	`Legorol`	`i vaguely remember an additional change afterwards, which affected glancing blows`
`23:33.25`	`Legorol`	`i wouldn't be able to quote patch numbers`
`23:33.44`	`Cide`	`I think the ratings were added first, but they ended up in the same patch (2.0?)`
`23:33.58`	`Cide`	`(i.e. they were introduced in beta before the glancing blow changes)`
`23:34.05`	`Legorol`	`ok`
`23:34.30`	`Legorol`	`[23:30] <Cide> $stats['hit'] += $melee*0.04;`
`23:34.30`	`Legorol`	`[23:30] <Cide> $stats['crit'] += $melee*0.04;`
`23:34.30`	`Legorol`	`[23:30] <Cide> that was pre-changes`
`23:34.37`	`Legorol`	`what set of changes does this refer to?`
`23:34.49`	`Legorol`	`the combat rating thing in 2.0.x, or something later`
`23:34.50`	`Cide`	`the weapon skill changes (glancing blow)`
`23:35.08`	`Cide`	`I have no idea if that code is still relevant, given that blizzard was so vague`
`23:35.23`	`Legorol`	`ok, let me help understand how it used to work`
`23:35.32`	`Legorol`	`i don't understand the code pre-glancing blow change`
`23:35.43`	`Legorol`	`rephrase: please help me understand`
`23:35.45`	`Cide`	`you have the base crit (well, "base" crit is really a myth - it's calculated off of your agility)`
`23:36.01`	`Legorol`	`ok`
`23:37.10`	`Cide`	`on top of that, you gain 0.04% crit for every weapon skill point above the target's defense skill point (and vice versa for lower weapon skill compared to defense)`
`23:37.49`	`Cide`	`in the UI that was displayed as "towards a X level opponent", where X was your own level, so to match the displayed value you just took "base" + (weaponSkill-playerLevel5)0.04`
`23:38.43`	`Cide`	`where weaponSkill is the current weapon skill, and playerLevel*5 comes from the maximum skill you can have at that level (since it uses a theoretical opponent of the same level as you, and a maxed out defense skill)`
`23:39.32`	`Legorol`	`ok`
`23:39.46`	`Cide`	`glancing blows is another story, which was a bit more complex (basically +8-10 weapon skill decreased your glancing blow chance to ~0%, which increased your dps from white hits by ~30%)`
`23:40.42`	`Kaso`	`i thought it reduced the glancing penalty, rather than the chance`
`23:40.55`	`Kaso`	`so you'd still glance but loose less damage from it`
`23:41.21`	`Cide`	`maybe`
`23:41.30`	`Legorol`	`ok let's not go into glancing blow just yet, there is something more fundamental i'd like to understand first`
`23:41.35`	`Cide`	`I play a priest!`
`23:41.38`	`Legorol`	`i understand wow's combat system is table based`
`23:41.39`	`Kaso`	`me too!`
`23:41.49`	`Cide`	`yep`
`23:41.51`	`Legorol`	`i understand the entries in the tables (miss/dodge/block/parry/hit/crit)`
`23:41.55`	`Legorol`	`so we can skip that part`
`23:41.57`	`Legorol`	`questions:`
`23:42.19`	`Legorol`	`does +hit gear convert miss entry to hit entry? (if i understand correctly, yes)`
`23:42.39`	`Legorol`	`does +crit gear convert hit entry to crit entry? (again, i think it's yes, but not sure)`
`23:43.07`	`Cide`	`I think they just modify the table entries' ranges`
`23:43.14`	`Legorol`	`well that's what i mean`
`23:43.33`	`Legorol`	`i mean if i have +1% hit, the range of miss gets 1% smaller, the range of hit gets 1% larger`
`23:43.34`	`Cide`	`in the case of crit%, you wouldn't crit 1% more if it was only based on hits`
`23:44.05`	`Legorol`	`yup, if you just counted the fraction of successful damages that were crits, it'd increase it by more than 1%, if i understand this right`
`23:44.20`	`Legorol`	`but here is the question that i don't know the answer to at all:`
`23:44.33`	`Cide`	`I'm pretty sure it was confirmed to be 1% regardless of other modifiers`
`23:44.35`	`Legorol`	`when your weapon skill exceeds the opponent's defense skill by 25,`
`23:44.50`	`Legorol`	`how does the table change?`
`23:44.54`	`Legorol`	`let's take a simple example:`
`23:45.00`	`Legorol`	`ignore dodge, block, parry`
`23:45.11`	`Legorol`	`let's say the table is 5% hit, 10% crit, 85% hit`
`23:45.13`	`Legorol`	`blah`
`23:45.20`	`Legorol`	`5% miss, 10% crit, 85% hit`
`23:45.38`	`Cide`	`assuming weapon skill translates into hit and crit still`
`23:45.39`	`Legorol`	`if you have enough gear for +1% hit, this would become 4/10/86, right?`
`23:45.49`	`Cide`	`I would guess so`
`23:46.01`	`Legorol`	`similarly, for +1% crit gear, it would become 5/11/84`
`23:46.13`	`Legorol`	`so assuming it still works as before, what would +25 skill do?`
`23:46.27`	`Cide`	`+25 skill gives 0.04% * 25 = 1%`
`23:46.35`	`Legorol`	`yeah, that's why i asked 25 ;-)`
`23:46.48`	`Cide`	`so it would be the same as equipping a piece of gear with +1% crit, +1% hit`
`23:46.50`	`Legorol`	`would it become 4/11/85?`
`23:47.10`	`Legorol`	`in other words, it translates 1% miss into 1% crit`
`23:47.58`	`Legorol`	`assuming it works as before, that's the message i'm getting, i think`
`23:48.01`	`Cide`	`I would interpret "hit" as "your attacks miss 1% less often"`
`23:48.12`	`Cide`	`which would be 4/x/y`
`23:48.25`	`Legorol`	`exactly`
`23:48.41`	`Legorol`	`+1% hit does: 5/10/85 -> 4/10/86`
`23:48.41`	`Cide`	`"crit" would just add one to x, so 4/11/(100-15)`
`23:48.45`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Tierrie\|Work (n=tierrie@code-poets.org)`
`23:48.56`	`Legorol`	`ok, so you are saying what i'm saying`
`23:49.26`	`Legorol`	`reversing this,`
`23:49.44`	`Legorol`	`it means that +25 defense translates 1% crit into 1% miss`
`23:50.04`	`Legorol`	`so x/y/z becomes x+1/y-1/z`
`23:50.18`	`Legorol`	`whereas resilience would do x/y-1/z+1`
`23:50.37`	`Cide`	`yeah, that's probably right`
`23:50.40`	`Legorol`	`from this it really seems to me that for melee, defense is just superior to resilience`
`23:50.48`	`Cide`	`if you can get ahold of it`
`23:50.52`	`Cide`	`rogues can't :)`
`23:51.03`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`resilience also reduces the amount done by critical strikes that land iirc`
`23:51.09`	`Cide`	`yep`
`23:51.20`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`but iirc resilence cost a lot (item points)`
`23:51.29`	`Cide`	`also note that crits that are converted to hits still proc "on crit" effects for the receiver`
`23:51.39`	`Kaso`	`resilience and def rating cost the same, all raitings do`
`23:51.50`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`pretty sure they don't`
`23:51.58`	`Cide`	`I can look it up`
`23:52.05`	`Gnarfoz`	`weapon skill adds +hit?`
`23:52.12`	`Gnarfoz`	`if it ever did, it doesn't anymore`
`23:52.12`	`Cide`	`it did before`
`23:52.26`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`weapon skill adds 0.1% crit now`
`23:52.32`	`Legorol`	`Kaso: they don't`
`23:52.38`	`Kaso`	`wowwiki has Combat Rating (Any) 1.00`
`23:52.48`	`Cide`	`defense: 0.057692, 0.057692, 0.057692, 0.057692, 0.057692, 0.057692, 0.057692, 0.057692, 0.057692, 0.057692,`
`23:52.51`	`Legorol`	`it's 60 def rating for 1% effect, and only 39.4 resilience rating at lvl 70`
`23:52.52`	`Shadowed`	`Legorol: Did you ever find out your attack table question?`
`23:52.54`	`Cide`	`resilience: 0.961538, 0.961538, 0.961538, 0.961538, 0.961538, 0.961538, 0.961538, 0.961538, 0.961538, 0.961538,`
`23:53.04`	`Cide`	`so no, not the same`
`23:53.08`	`Gnarfoz`	`hard to say, too, before the default UI calculated the stats, it was all a matter of guessing :D`
`23:53.10`	`Kaso`	`is that considering def rating or skill?`
`23:53.13`	`Barbanus`	`resilence includes spells....`
`23:53.16`	`Cide`	`lasoskill`
`23:53.19`	`Cide`	`Kaso: skill`
`23:53.21`	`Cide`	`...`
`23:53.24`	`Cide`	`I'm tired!`
`23:53.28`	`Kaso`	`ha`
`23:53.30`	`Cide`	`s/skill/rating/`
`23:53.36`	`Kaso`	`rating`
`23:53.40`	`Kaso`	`hmm then wowwiki should be changed`
`23:53.58`	`Cide`	`1.500000 for defense at 60`
`23:54.04`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`wowwiki's item level formula is a bit out of date`
`23:54.11`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`but it is still accurate for the legacy point costs`
`23:54.13`	`Cide`	`25.000000 for resilience at 60`
`23:54.14`	`Shadowed`	`Weapon skills were recently changed in 2.0 so the wiki isn't that much out of date`
`23:54.59`	`Shadowed`	`Tierrie\|Work: Are you sure it's 0.01% crit? It was more like 0.04% per a point last I checked`
`23:55.04`	`Shadowed`	`er are you sure it's 0.1%`
`23:55.41`	`Kaso`	`i believe they did up the bonuses when they nerfed the glancing`
`23:55.47`	`Kaso`	`so it'd retain some of its value`
`23:56.03`	`Shadowed`	`no I can safely say weapon skill is infact useless after they fixed glancing`
`23:56.17`	`Legorol`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Combat_Rating_System`
`23:56.18`	`Gnarfoz`	`indeed`
`23:56.28`	`Legorol`	`- Weapon skill will no longer reduce the percentage damage lost due to glancing.`
`23:56.29`	`Legorol`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:56.48`	`Gnarfoz`	`that was not 0.1% back when they first announced it, tho`
`23:56.49`	`Legorol`	`This i beleive is quoted from Blizzard`
`23:56.56`	`Legorol`	`the ambiguous thing here is`
`23:56.56`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`It has always been 0.1%`
`23:56.57`	`Barbanus`	`I'm pretty sure resilience also effects spells, and melee damage ... I could be wrong however.`
`23:57.09`	`Kaso`	`Barbanus, we already established that`
`23:57.09`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`Resielence does affect all spells missile and melee damage`
`23:57.09`	`Barbanus`	`So its superior for sure.`
`23:57.10`	`Legorol`	`whether this is weapon skill by which you exceed the opponent's defense`
`23:57.22`	`Shadowed`	`hrm I guess it is 0.1% then`
`23:57.34`	`Legorol`	`i still don't know what weapon skill this refers to`
`23:57.37`	`Shadowed`	`Resilience effects everything last I checked, it was meant as a PVP stat basically`
`23:57.40`	`Gnarfoz`	`fact is: don't bother with weapon skill, get hit or crit >_>`
`23:57.46`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`Besides if it is now 0.1% then it is too powerful, because humans get a +2% to crit then`
`23:57.47`	`Legorol`	`if i am level 60, and opponent is 63, my skill is 300, his defense is 315`
`23:57.58`	`Shadowed`	`Tierrie\|Work: It was too powerful before :p`
`23:57.59`	`Legorol`	`does me getting to 305 give me 0.5% crit chance?`
`23:58.08`	`Shadowed`	`Legorol: Last I heard weapon skill basically counters defense`
`23:58.21`	`Shadowed`	`So if I have 310 defense and you have 10 weapon skill then it's like I had 300 defense`
`23:58.27`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`Shadowed: yeah it was super powerful, downgraded to useful now :(`
`23:58.39`	`Legorol`	`ok, that doesn't correspond in any way to the "The player will gain 0.1% to their critical strike rating per weapon skill against monsters above their level."`
`23:58.46`	`Gnarfoz`	`it was dumbed down to "what the fuck" now :\`
`23:58.49`	`Gnarfoz`	`was useful before :D`
`23:58.53`	`Shadowed`	`Tierrie\|Work: Downgraded to useless really unless you have racials`
`23:59.02`	`Cide`	`overpowered before, in line now`
`23:59.03`	`Cide`	`I would say`
`23:59.05`	`Legorol`	`usefuel/what the fuck are not really quantities we can work with :D`
`23:59.07`	`Shadowed`	`exactly`
`23:59.13`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:59.22`	`Shadowed`	`when a level 50 BOE was better then gauntlets of annih, something was wrong`
`23:59.32`	`Legorol`	`sigh`
`23:59.36`	`Cide`	`kind of like hunters and agility`
`23:59.43`	`Legorol`	`i knew this would deteriorate into a discussion on gear, overpowered etc. rather than math`
`23:59.48`	`Shadowed`	`hehe`
`23:59.48`	`Cide`	`Legorol: :)`
`23:59.52`	`Gnarfoz`	`it was great before, but it certainly would have destroyed the 'low level players are not supposed to kill high level mobs' barrier`
`23:59.53`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`its still not scalable though`
`23:59.54`	`Cide`	`let's turn it into math then`
`23:59.57`	`Gnarfoz`	`(while leveling)`

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