| 00:19.40 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Jens (n=jens@pdpc/supporter/active/Jens) |
| 00:26.23 | Legorol | morning ... -ish |
| 00:26.28 | Cairenn | hi Legorol |
| 00:26.28 | Legorol | rofl -> http://www.kaoz.dk/visfilm.asp?id=118 |
| 00:26.38 | Legorol | yes i linked it before, but i keep rewatching it |
| 00:27.26 | Legorol | damn, i missed an "almost linux vs window debate" |
| 00:27.37 | Legorol | had i been around, i'd have been sure to stir it on :D |
| 00:29.30 | Mikma | Legorol: that's a urban legend made real |
| 00:29.57 | Mikma | i've read it to happen between canada - USA |
| 00:30.10 | Cairenn | I can't get the link to work, so ... |
| 00:30.58 | Mikma | Cairenn: a battle between ship vs lighthouse. which one will change course.. |
| 00:31.05 | Cairenn | ahhhh, that thing |
| 00:31.40 | Mikma | that's only a commercial-version of it, so nothing to see actually if you know the idea |
| 00:32.11 | Wobin | Vhat are you sinking about? |
| 00:32.19 | Cairenn | "We are a US Battleship blah blah blah and we REQUIRE that you change course" ... "We're a Canadian LightHouse, your call" |
| 00:32.28 | Wobin | oh I like that other one |
| 00:33.26 | Legorol | yeah i have heard this joke before too, but i love the videofied and commercialised version |
| 00:33.34 | Legorol | it's just so hilarious |
| 00:33.39 | Legorol | it's a holywood parody at the same time |
| 00:33.46 | Legorol | or is it holiwood? |
| 00:33.52 | Legorol | now i don't know.. |
| 00:33.54 | Wobin | hollywood |
| 00:33.56 | Mikma | holly |
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| 00:36.00 | Cairenn | hmmm, switching rendering version to IE instead of FF and it works |
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| 00:44.47 | Shadowed | How weird I wonder why the casting bar on the name plates fires the health bars OnValueChange |
| 00:54.40 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Karrion (n=Kieron@203-214-83-246.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 00:54.44 | DemoXin | i have a question |
| 00:54.46 | DemoXin | again |
| 00:54.53 | Legorol | DemoXin: and we might have an answer |
| 00:55.05 | DemoXin | is it possible to pull the info for items and quests right from the MPQ's? |
| 00:55.07 | Cairenn | o.O no questions! who told him questions were allowed in here? |
| 00:55.22 | Legorol | how does the saying go, "no stupid questions, only stupid people trying to answer?" |
| 00:55.45 | DemoXin | i've always heard "there are no stupid questions, just stupid people" |
| 00:55.55 | Legorol | DemoXin: items yes, quests no, but it's against the EULA |
| 00:56.05 | Legorol | hehe that's not a bad one either |
| 00:56.10 | DemoXin | its against the EULA for me to get the info for items from the MPQ's? |
| 00:56.14 | Legorol | yes |
| 00:56.15 | Cairenn | yes |
| 00:56.16 | Karrion | anyone here good with PC hardware? |
| 00:56.19 | DemoXin | uh huh... |
| 00:56.26 | Legorol | and yes, some famous sites still do it |
| 00:56.26 | DemoXin | well, ill pretend to understand that |
| 00:56.35 | Xuerian | Karrion: Fairly o.0 |
| 00:57.02 | Legorol | actually i'm not even sure items are in the MPQs |
| 00:57.23 | Legorol | i know for sure quests aren't, probably items aren't either, just item models |
| 00:57.34 | Legorol | i am sure that item descriptions are not in the MPQs |
| 00:57.38 | DemoXin | so its against the EULA for me to make an AddOn that allows you to browse the items in the game and use the dressing room etc wiht them |
| 00:57.45 | Karrion | Xuerian: any idea what would cause this: after flushing cmos, I get a checksum failure (to be expected) however if I go into setup and save, even without making any changes, the system won't post (just blank screen) |
| 00:58.06 | Legorol | DemoXin: if it's purely an AddOn that operates purely within the game, then it's fine |
| 00:58.12 | Xuerian | Karrion: Have you checked that your cpu isn't set at a odd frequency? |
| 00:58.12 | DemoXin | it would be |
| 00:58.15 | Legorol | but you don't need the MPQs for that, do you |
| 00:58.18 | Karrion | if I just F1 to continue through the checksum error, it boots, but detects my cpu at 1140MHz instead of 2500 |
| 00:58.20 | Cairenn | you are only supposed to get the information from within the game, is what we are saying |
| 00:58.31 | DemoXin | thats all i would be doing |
| 00:58.41 | Legorol | that doesn't involve the MPQs then |
| 00:58.48 | Karrion | Xuerian: it is, but I can't set it to the right one because as soon as I save the settings, bam! no post |
| 00:58.52 | Legorol | your original question was if it's fine to extract data form the MPQs, that's not allowed |
| 00:58.57 | DemoXin | basically i want to make an item database that operates in a frame in the game |
| 00:59.01 | Cairenn | no, you are wanting to pull it from outside, according to ... *nod* what Lego said |
| 00:59.04 | Xuerian | Karrion: Even defaults keep it from posting? |
| 00:59.11 | Legorol | DemoXin: that in itself is fine |
| 00:59.20 | Legorol | the question is how will you populate the database |
| 00:59.27 | Legorol | if you gather the data for that purely from within the game, you are fine |
| 00:59.29 | Karrion | yep, enter setup, load failsafe, save, reboot, no go and I have to reflush |
| 00:59.31 | DemoXin | therein lies the problem |
| 00:59.37 | Legorol | if you gather the data from the MPQs, then you are not fine |
| 00:59.41 | Legorol | (or the cache files) |
| 00:59.43 | DemoXin | if the items info isnt in the MPQs, then i would have to make it from scratch |
| 00:59.44 | Xuerian | DemoXin: Like LootLink, KCItems, or any number of other addons with huge existing databases? :P |
| 00:59.53 | Legorol | dolby-wowi: that's exactly the point |
| 00:59.53 | DemoXin | oh... |
| 00:59.57 | Legorol | bah, wrong person |
| 01:00.08 | DemoXin | well, im trying to come up with something original |
| 01:00.10 | DemoXin | and i suck at it |
| 01:00.10 | Legorol | yeah i was going to say that such addons exist by the drvoes |
| 01:00.18 | Legorol | but that's irrelevant, i am answering the question |
| 01:00.30 | Legorol | nothing wrong with writing your own version ;-) |
| 01:00.43 | DemoXin | but i want to make somethign original |
| 01:00.47 | Legorol | and when i ask a question, i also like to receive an answer, not a "but why bother doing it" |
| 01:00.51 | DemoXin | not jsut redo something someone's already done |
| 01:00.58 | Legorol | well that might be a bit hard |
| 01:01.03 | Legorol | this game's been out for almost 3 years |
| 01:01.04 | Xuerian | DemoXin: It's hard to find something original as far as wow addons go |
| 01:01.08 | Legorol | it willl be 3 years in a month |
| 01:01.12 | Legorol | and there are over 10 million players |
| 01:01.17 | Legorol | it's hard to find something noone thought of |
| 01:01.22 | Cairenn | oi, has it really been that long? (don't answer that) |
| 01:01.28 | DemoXin | thats what im noticing |
| 01:01.31 | Legorol | Cairenn: scary isn't it |
| 01:01.34 | DemoXin | ive been playing less than 6 months |
| 01:01.35 | Legorol | and that's just Beta |
| 01:01.38 | Legorol | Alpha goes back even more |
| 01:01.40 | DemoXin | i have 2 addons |
| 01:01.40 | Xuerian | DemoXin: My only suggestion is find something that hasn't been re-done from the default interface, and re-do blizzard's version with something much better :p |
| 01:01.41 | DemoXin | lol |
| 01:01.52 | Legorol | Cairenn: yes i do answer that in the way that i can answer that ;-) |
| 01:01.53 | Cairenn | Legorol: no kidding, I know, I was there |
| 01:01.55 | Xuerian | Cairenn: No, it's only been a couple months since it left beta. You're as young and pretty as ever. |
| 01:01.58 | DemoXin | CTMod and a co-ord addon |
| 01:02.09 | Cairenn | Xuerian: awwww :) |
| 01:02.23 | DemoXin | my foot's asleep |
| 01:02.29 | Legorol | wait, you mean Cairenn was as old 3 years ago as she is now? |
| 01:02.58 | Xuerian | :P |
| 01:03.05 | Nasphreak29 | legorol...girls never agi |
| 01:03.07 | Nasphreak29 | age |
| 01:03.08 | Xuerian | Brave wee git. |
| 01:03.12 | Nasphreak29 | ..atleast by their minds |
| 01:03.26 | DemoXin | 'lo nas |
| 01:03.32 | DemoXin | glad to see u got reg'ed |
| 01:03.41 | DemoXin | that 10 minutes dealio was irritating |
| 01:03.41 | Nasphreak29 | stupid email thingy =.= |
| 01:03.44 | Thunder_Child | well women have a habit of celebrating the same birthday multiple times |
| 01:04.07 | Legorol | oh, that explains why my GF likes to celebrate her birthday with her parents, then her brother, then with me |
| 01:04.11 | Legorol | 3 times |
| 01:04.23 | Thunder_Child | err...not quite what i meant |
| 01:04.27 | Legorol | :P |
| 01:04.35 | Thunder_Child | but thanks for playing |
| 01:04.37 | DemoXin | i think Thunder_Child was reffering to celebrating birthday 22 3 years in a row |
| 01:04.43 | Legorol | really? :O |
| 01:04.44 | DemoXin | etc... |
| 01:04.53 | DemoXin | lawl |
| 01:04.54 | Legorol | darn, i really missed that one.. |
| 01:05.19 | Nasphreak29 | yeah I know this chick..she has been 30 for 5 years now ol |
| 01:05.43 | Legorol | on a constructive note: here is an addon idea |
| 01:05.49 | Legorol | in-game calendar, with birthday reminders! |
| 01:05.55 | Legorol | because WoW will be around forever |
| 01:05.57 | DemoXin | oh |
| 01:05.59 | DemoXin | i liek |
| 01:06.07 | DemoXin | put all the ingame events in it too |
| 01:06.18 | Legorol | been done though, with things like raids etc. |
| 01:06.21 | Wobin | Happy Hogswatch! |
| 01:06.21 | Thunder_Child | that auto sens a habby birthday mail, with your choice of present? |
| 01:06.27 | Legorol | i'm not sure there's a generic one that allows birthdays ;-) |
| 01:06.27 | Thunder_Child | s/sens/sends/ |
| 01:06.35 | Thunder_Child | happy* |
| 01:06.46 | DemoXin | ~emo |
| 01:06.53 | DemoXin | still dun have one |
| 01:06.56 | DemoXin | ~purl |
| 01:06.57 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, purl is an evil bot. rather slow at responding |
| 01:07.07 | Wobin | ~emokids |
| 01:07.45 | DemoXin | okay, that ideas gone... |
| 01:07.48 | DemoXin | anyone else?! |
| 01:07.50 | DemoXin | lol |
| 01:08.34 | DemoXin | okay, let me ask this, can u make the dots on the world map like there are on party members? |
| 01:08.49 | Xuerian | with Cartographer. |
| 01:08.50 | Thunder_Child | cartographer does that |
| 01:08.51 | Karrion | oh well, guess I keep trying :-( |
| 01:09.03 | DemoXin | what does cartographer do though? |
| 01:09.06 | DemoXin | whats its purpose? |
| 01:09.14 | Xuerian | It's map mod framework. |
| 01:09.28 | DemoXin | okay, let me run this by you |
| 01:10.02 | Legorol | do you mean if you can make more dots on the world map, dots that look like the dots for party members? |
| 01:10.10 | DemoXin | a mod yes |
| 01:10.14 | DemoXin | bah |
| 01:10.16 | DemoXin | just yes |
| 01:10.23 | Legorol | you can do that, sure |
| 01:10.23 | DemoXin | i didnt hold backspace long enough |
| 01:10.26 | Legorol | what for? |
| 01:10.33 | DemoXin | okay, now, could u do them on NPC's? |
| 01:10.42 | Legorol | "on" NPCs? |
| 01:10.43 | Wobin | nope |
| 01:10.51 | Wobin | Cause you have no way of tracking the npc location |
| 01:10.52 | Legorol | we are talking about putting dots *on* the world map, or have i misunderstood |
| 01:10.56 | Wobin | unless you're 'tracking' them =) |
| 01:11.02 | DemoXin | u could estimate |
| 01:11.03 | Legorol | ok, i must have misunderstood something |
| 01:11.07 | Wobin | how? |
| 01:11.21 | Legorol | do you mean put dots *on* the world map *at* the location of the NPCs? |
| 01:11.26 | DemoXin | yes |
| 01:11.28 | Legorol | ah ok |
| 01:11.33 | Wobin | where they currently are right now? |
| 01:11.34 | Legorol | yes you can do that, provided you know where the NPCs are |
| 01:11.44 | Legorol | Cartographer does that |
| 01:11.47 | Wobin | well |
| 01:11.57 | Legorol | but for that, you need to visit the NPCs first, so Cartographer gets to know where they are |
| 01:12.02 | Wobin | cartographer puts points where the npc was noted as being there |
| 01:12.03 | Xuerian | DemoXin: Carto does that for static npc's like trainers and merchants, if you have the modules |
| 01:12.09 | Wobin | if they move, then, you can't |
| 01:12.12 | DemoXin | nvm |
| 01:12.14 | *** join/#wowi-lounge scotepi (n=scotepi@cpe-76-179-91-149.maine.res.rr.com) |
| 01:12.42 | scotepi | hello, is there any guide ot using saved variable? wowwiki's one is realy badly writen |
| 01:12.58 | DemoXin | i was thinking about an addon that allowed you to toggle dots on and off for NPCs that u wanted to so that u could knwo where to turn quests in, etc |
| 01:12.59 | Legorol | ithink you'll find that's the best one out there ;-) |
| 01:13.10 | Legorol | and i doubt it's badly written, but let me go see |
| 01:13.14 | Xuerian | scotepi: Use a framework that supports DB access - Ace2, Dongle, or shudder, cosmos |
| 01:13.46 | DemoXin | Ace? |
| 01:13.54 | DemoXin | ive seen that, but havent looked into it |
| 01:13.55 | Wobin | DemoXin: Cartographer does that |
| 01:13.56 | DemoXin | what is it? |
| 01:13.57 | kaso | Dont you think its better he learn the basics before moving onto frameworks? |
| 01:14.01 | Legorol | scotepi: are you talking about http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Save_Variables_Between_Game_Sessions |
| 01:14.07 | scotepi | yeah |
| 01:14.14 | kaso | Whats wrong with it? |
| 01:14.17 | Thunder_Child | ~ace |
| 01:14.20 | purl | methinks ace is a lightweight and powerful system for building World of Warcraft addons. It is coded to keep CPU-usage, memory-usage, and GC churn in mind. See http://www.wowace.com/ |
| 01:14.20 | Xuerian | Kaso: Not really. Then again, I learn everything backwards |
| 01:14.21 | Wobin | It's pretty basic |
| 01:14.35 | scotepi | the example doesnt actuly have info |
| 01:14.40 | DemoXin | well |
| 01:14.43 | DemoXin | thats helpful |
| 01:14.55 | Thunder_Child | purl aims to plz |
| 01:15.00 | Wobin | DemoXin, It's a framework you can use to make writing addons easier |
| 01:15.04 | DemoXin | it can work with databases? |
| 01:15.04 | Xuerian | scotepi: If you really want to learn how to use SV, find a mod that does it (simple is good), and read it's code |
| 01:15.07 | scotepi | after "Then, in your OnEvent handler, you have" |
| 01:15.14 | Wobin | not precisely |
| 01:15.18 | DemoXin | nvm |
| 01:15.24 | scotepi | ive looked at CT, AIOI and a few others |
| 01:15.28 | Wobin | DBs are more in reference to savedvariables |
| 01:15.32 | DemoXin | not precisely is gonna end up with me getting more confused |
| 01:15.42 | DemoXin | okay, that doesnt help |
| 01:15.50 | Legorol | scotepi: i agree the page is not the clearest, but it's technically correct |
| 01:15.53 | Wobin | alright, lets take a step back. |
| 01:15.58 | Xuerian | ~framework |
| 01:16.05 | Xuerian | derp.. |
| 01:16.16 | scotepi | the if/else part in that example is confusing me |
| 01:16.20 | DemoXin | can LUA interface wiht MySQL? |
| 01:16.22 | Wobin | A framework helps you write addons, by doing most of the basic stuff for you. |
| 01:16.27 | Xuerian | Nuuuuu |
| 01:16.29 | Wobin | DemoXin, Quite likely, but not in WoW |
| 01:16.34 | Xuerian | oh. |
| 01:16.35 | DemoXin | ugh... |
| 01:16.37 | Xuerian | well out of wow, yes |
| 01:16.50 | Legorol | scotepi: that example goes a step beyond just basic use of saved variables |
| 01:16.55 | Wobin | We're quite limited in what we can effect outside of the game |
| 01:17.01 | DemoXin | the limit all of this, and expect us to work with large amounts of data how? |
| 01:17.02 | Xuerian | DemoXin: You best get blizzard's motto into your head sooner than later: "DO NOT LET THEM TRANSFER DATA INTO AND OUT OF THE GAME AT ANY COST" |
| 01:17.03 | Wobin | s/effect/affect/ |
| 01:17.17 | Legorol | the example demonstrates how you can detect whether this addon has been used before (and has saved data), or if this is the first time it's being used (or the user deleted its saved data) |
| 01:17.19 | Wobin | DemoXin, They don't =) |
| 01:17.34 | DemoXin | then they need to implement this stuff |
| 01:17.39 | DemoXin | if they wont let us |
| 01:17.50 | scotepi | Legorol, so if i just have var Abc in SavedVariables, does that mean Abc will be tehre next time? with no extra fetching? |
| 01:17.51 | DemoXin | i cant make a database of every quest in the game in LUA tables |
| 01:17.59 | Legorol | scotepi: correct |
| 01:18.00 | Wobin | They don't want you to |
| 01:18.03 | scotepi | k |
| 01:18.06 | DemoXin | im noticing! |
| 01:18.10 | Wobin | =) |
| 01:18.11 | Legorol | as long as the ADDON_LOADED event has fired, you can be sure the value of Abc has been restored to the saved value |
| 01:18.13 | DemoXin | hence they need to do it |
| 01:18.24 | Wobin | put it in a suggestion note on their board |
| 01:18.32 | scotepi | k, thats what was confusing me |
| 01:18.34 | DemoXin | yeah, like they read that |
| 01:18.42 | Legorol | scotepi: ok i will explain |
| 01:18.47 | DemoXin | oh, wait, i forgot |
| 01:18.50 | DemoXin | this is WoW |
| 01:18.50 | scotepi | i got it now |
| 01:18.52 | DemoXin | not D2 |
| 01:18.54 | Legorol | scotepi: ok |
| 01:19.31 | Legorol | DemoXin: actually you can, i have a mod called QuestHistory, it notes every quest i have ever completed, and i have completed quite a few ;-) |
| 01:19.43 | Wobin | It's true. |
| 01:19.49 | Wobin | You do end up with large tables though |
| 01:19.50 | Legorol | it notes complete quest description, rewards, location/name etc. of NPC that gives it, quest level, completer, location, etc. |
| 01:19.53 | Wobin | unless you use compression |
| 01:19.55 | Legorol | Wobin: hell yeah |
| 01:20.05 | Legorol | QuestHistory is implemented poorly too |
| 01:20.18 | Legorol | if i have several alts that did the same quest, the same quest text gets stored multiple times in plain text |
| 01:20.29 | Legorol | this thing is worse than auctioneer, i tell you |
| 01:20.37 | Wobin | >< |
| 01:20.37 | DemoXin | sounds too me like it needs a check |
| 01:20.45 | scotepi | ther isnt a SendAddonMessage for wold is there other then the olf fassion channels |
| 01:20.48 | DemoXin | im sure each quest has an ID |
| 01:20.59 | Legorol | scotepi: there isn't, and on purpose |
| 01:21.01 | DemoXin | somewhere, in the game at least |
| 01:21.05 | Wobin | scotepi, So people can't spam =) |
| 01:21.12 | Legorol | DemoXin: doesn't matter, you can assign one yourself |
| 01:21.28 | Wobin | Legorol, Then you still have to do your own comparison checking =P |
| 01:21.30 | DemoXin | im saying for "QuestHistory" |
| 01:21.35 | Legorol | even something simple as storing quest texts in a separate table, and then only storing the indices into that table, would save gallons of space |
| 01:21.39 | Wobin | although I guess you could hash the description or something |
| 01:21.40 | DemoXin | exactly, thats what i was trying to circumvent' |
| 01:22.09 | Legorol | Wobin: aye, hashing plus compression could go a long way |
| 01:22.10 | DemoXin | hashing the descriptions would at least give something easier to work with than storing multiple times |
| 01:22.21 | Legorol | well you store it once, compressed |
| 01:22.38 | Legorol | you store the hash too |
| 01:22.44 | DemoXin | but u should have somethign that u check about that quest so it doesnt record the same quest multiple times |
| 01:22.47 | Legorol | and you only store an index for each character |
| 01:23.08 | Wobin | well if you hash the description, you can check that hash against all existing hashed descriptions |
| 01:23.12 | Legorol | ok i think we have a misunderstanding |
| 01:23.21 | Legorol | QuestHistory stores what quests *each* of your characters have completed |
| 01:23.22 | DemoXin | me and Wobin are on the same page |
| 01:23.33 | Legorol | so it does have to store quests multiple times: once per character that has completed it |
| 01:23.36 | DemoXin | yes, and thats unnessecary |
| 01:23.43 | Legorol | i am saying that it's enough to store an index for each character |
| 01:23.46 | DemoXin | as opposed to storing a quest multiple times |
| 01:23.46 | Legorol | and the text once, globally |
| 01:23.49 | Legorol | yeah |
| 01:23.53 | Legorol | ok then no misunderstanding |
| 01:24.10 | DemoXin | hence we need database access |
| 01:24.12 | DemoXin | but no |
| 01:24.20 | Legorol | tables are fine, they are databases ;-) |
| 01:24.36 | Legorol | why would database access make any of this easier in any way? |
| 01:24.36 | Legorol | from a programmatic point of view |
| 01:24.42 | DemoXin | yes, but i doubt LUA tables are as fast or easy to work with as MySQL |
| 01:24.57 | Wobin | naturally |
| 01:24.58 | Legorol | i wouldn't be so sure |
| 01:25.04 | DemoXin | i personally already know MySQL to a T |
| 01:25.07 | Wobin | Well, at least there's no sql syntax =) |
| 01:25.11 | Legorol | the "easy to work with" is entirely irrelevant though |
| 01:25.21 | Legorol | that's programmer effort, not addon efficiency |
| 01:25.35 | DemoXin | yes, but i want the ease of use |
| 01:25.43 | Legorol | ease of use for user is fine |
| 01:25.46 | Legorol | programmer shall suffer |
| 01:25.47 | DemoXin | i would make a better addon with mysql than LUA tables |
| 01:25.52 | Legorol | you would, i wouldn't |
| 01:25.58 | Legorol | because i know Lua, i don't know mysql |
| 01:26.01 | Legorol | so who is right and who is wrong ;-) |
| 01:26.05 | Legorol | there is no right or wrong |
| 01:26.06 | Wobin | me! |
| 01:26.08 | DemoXin | hence they need to allow so diversity among programmers |
| 01:26.18 | DemoXin | im not saying either is right or wrong |
| 01:26.34 | Legorol | no, they have one solution already, why provide an alternative to something that already exists, if it's just that, an equivalent alternative |
| 01:26.38 | DemoXin | im saying that by limiting the scripting they allow, they are also limiting the diversity of users they attract |
| 01:26.51 | nymbia | lua's plenty diverse |
| 01:26.59 | DemoXin | i didnt say it wasnt |
| 01:27.11 | Legorol | they always approach limits from *functionality*'s point of view, not from accessibilty for programmers, or ease of programming |
| 01:27.21 | DemoXin | LUA can work with MySQL, but the way they have limited the scripting is what isnt diverse |
| 01:27.34 | nymbia | mysql's not designed to be embedded |
| 01:27.42 | Legorol | that doesn't matter for this discussion |
| 01:27.44 | Legorol | consider this: |
| 01:27.48 | nymbia | sure it does |
| 01:27.54 | Legorol | you would get equivalent *functionality* from mysql as you would from Lua tables |
| 01:28.04 | DemoXin | yes, i understand that |
| 01:28.06 | Legorol | that's all that matters |
| 01:28.12 | DemoXin | im not arguing with that point |
| 01:28.22 | Legorol | since the functionality is already there, why spend developer time adding an alternative solution for the same functionality] |
| 01:28.45 | DemoXin | im merely stating that by limiting the abilities of their scripting, they have limited their programmer diversity, that's their own problem |
| 01:28.47 | Legorol | especially bearing in mind that writing addons is a privilege, not a right |
| 01:28.49 | DemoXin | i will have to adjust |
| 01:28.55 | Legorol | hold on a moment |
| 01:29.05 | Legorol | we just agreed that *functionality* is identical |
| 01:29.11 | Legorol | so they haven't limited it from functionality's point of view |
| 01:29.18 | DemoXin | like i said, im not arguing with you |
| 01:29.24 | Legorol | ok |
| 01:29.39 | Legorol | actually, limiting programmer diversity is not their problem :o) |
| 01:29.42 | DemoXin | functionality-wise, yes its identical, but programmer wise it isnt |
| 01:29.46 | Legorol | since this whole thing is unsupported per se |
| 01:30.17 | nymbia | DemoXin: it's not like they crippled things intentionally. they used lua because it did what they wanted to do. are you saying they should have implemented a number of different languages for the sole purpose of attracting addon developers? |
| 01:30.28 | DemoXin | no |
| 01:30.36 | Legorol | Blizzard does care about the AddOn programmer community to some extent, but they as a company dont' gain enough from providing the kind of convenience for programmers that you ask for |
| 01:30.43 | DemoXin | LUA, in its normal form, is capable of interacting with MySQL |
| 01:30.51 | DemoXin | they REMOVED that functionality |
| 01:31.11 | DemoXin | thats their perogative |
| 01:31.12 | Legorol | yes, but any functionality you can achieve by interacting with mysql, you can also achieve by staying purely within Lua |
| 01:31.14 | Xuerian | DemoXin: My comment earlier flew over your head completely, didn't it? :P |
| 01:31.16 | DemoXin | or however u spell it |
| 01:31.26 | Legorol | and they have removed that interaction because it was causing other issuues |
| 01:31.27 | DemoXin | and im agreeing Legorol |
| 01:31.49 | DemoXin | just listen for a minute without trying to interupt me |
| 01:31.50 | Legorol | so they haven't lost anything, but gained something by putting that limitation in |
| 01:31.56 | Legorol | ok |
| 01:32.49 | DemoXin | All that I'm saying, is that by limiting the usage of MySQL, or whatever else, they have made some would-be AddOn makers shy away, because they don't want to learn a new language or scripting standard |
| 01:32.56 | DemoXin | That was their decision |
| 01:33.05 | DemoXin | I'm not saying that what they did is wrong |
| 01:33.11 | DemoXin | It's the decision they made |
| 01:33.15 | DemoXin | It won't stop me |
| 01:33.22 | DemoXin | I'm just gonna suck it up and learn |
| 01:33.29 | DemoXin | okay, I'm done |
| 01:33.38 | Legorol | ok, now i would like to answer something |
| 01:33.45 | nymbia | it's very easy to learn ;) |
| 01:33.46 | Legorol | i appreciate that, but i think you are looking at it out of context |
| 01:33.58 | Legorol | It is not the usage of MySQL per se they wanted to limit, |
| 01:34.15 | Legorol | nor did they have accessbility for authors in mind at all when they made decisions about what limitations to place |
| 01:34.31 | Legorol | these are not important factors in the decisions that go into what is/isn't possible within WoW |
| 01:34.50 | Legorol | I agree that the *cause* of the limitations they put in is that you can't use MySQL |
| 01:35.01 | Legorol | i even agree that this may cause some AddOn makers shy away |
| 01:35.13 | Legorol | but their *intention* lies entirely elsewhere |
| 01:35.33 | Legorol | these are secondary consequences of much more important decisions |
| 01:35.34 | Legorol | that's all |
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| 01:36.43 | DemoXin | anyways, that all said |
| 01:36.56 | DemoXin | where can i find this "QuestHistory" AddOn |
| 01:36.58 | DemoXin | ? |
| 01:38.09 | Legorol | http://www.getemerald.com/ |
| 01:38.18 | Legorol | that's not compatible with latest WoW patch unfortunately |
| 01:38.25 | Legorol | there is a fan's update on curse gaming |
| 01:38.39 | Legorol | http://wow-en.curse-gaming.com/files/details/6080/questhistory-20003-1/ |
| 01:39.28 | DemoXin | alrighty, are NPCs numbered? |
| 01:39.36 | DemoXin | as in, do they have IDs? |
| 01:39.49 | Xuerian | Nope |
| 01:40.26 | DemoXin | well, ill say this for blizz |
| 01:40.43 | DemoXin | they've complicated the game enough to make it near impossible for botters |
| 01:40.52 | Xuerian | DemoXin: That's pretty much the point. |
| 01:40.59 | DemoXin | i know |
| 01:41.08 | Xuerian | They failed though. |
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| 01:41.18 | Xuerian | A nice condom for wow and you're good for botting. But that's a discussion for another room. |
| 01:41.19 | DemoXin | and yet, at the same time, the scripting they have allowed could also make it very easy |
| 01:42.14 | DemoXin | oh, im not gonna bot |
| 01:42.20 | Xuerian | Doesn't matter. |
| 01:42.21 | DemoXin | that scares me to death |
| 01:42.34 | DemoXin | im just curious about what advances have been made |
| 01:42.47 | Xuerian | I told you exactly :P |
| 01:42.49 | Legorol | In-game scripting is not enough for botting, and they constantly try to limit in-game scripting so that it's difficult to use in conjunction with bots |
| 01:42.54 | Xuerian | But bots aren't a discussion for WoWi's chat room |
| 01:43.00 | Xuerian | So thus ends my part in it :p |
| 01:43.02 | Legorol | bots tend to be standalone, outside WoW and don't even bother using in-game scripting |
| 01:43.30 | DemoXin | anyways |
| 01:43.36 | DemoXin | so, how about those AddOn's? |
| 01:45.17 | Legorol | Xuerian: except if we are talking about purl |
| 01:45.19 | Legorol | ~purl |
| 01:45.20 | purl | it has been said that purl is an evil bot. rather slow at responding |
| 01:45.55 | Xuerian | Legorol: s/bots/WoW playing bots/ :P |
| 01:46.08 | Legorol | wow, bots play it? |
| 01:46.16 | Legorol | i didn't know AI was so advanced... |
| 01:46.24 | Legorol | i thought humans play it, bots ruin it. |
| 01:46.38 | Legorol | nvm |
| 01:46.43 | DemoXin | q? |
| 01:46.46 | DemoXin | lol |
| 01:46.53 | Legorol | my alterq egoq |
| 01:47.02 | Legorol | mememe too! |
| 01:47.20 | Legorol | your pinky is stuck between TAB and Q i bet |
| 01:47.37 | Xuerian | I actually hit it with my second-to-last finger |
| 01:48.36 | Thunder_Child | standing? |
| 01:48.51 | Nasphreak29 | yes |
| 01:48.54 | Nasphreak29 | im standing |
| 01:49.15 | Nasphreak29 | >_> Shaman FTW |
| 01:49.32 | Legorol | i thought you are standing, ready to run |
| 01:49.44 | Nasphreak29 | why would I run? |
| 01:53.41 | DemoXin | okay, i think i already know the answer to this, but imma ask anyways |
| 01:54.00 | DemoXin | WoW won't let you create a connection to an outside server from inside it, will it? |
| 01:54.23 | kaso | no, in any way shape or form |
| 01:54.28 | DemoXin | didnt think so |
| 01:55.58 | DemoXin | no response to my amesome use of rogueness? |
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| 01:56.23 | DemoXin | s/amesome/awesome |
| 01:57.23 | Xuerian | RP doesn't appeal to me if it's merely a imitation of pressing buttons, showing no creativity :) |
| 01:57.23 | DemoXin | =( |
| 01:57.39 | Nasphreak29 | burn |
| 01:57.42 | DemoXin | i was trying to stay in theme |
| 01:58.27 | Xuerian | I didn't say I was only talking about yours, DemoXin ;) |
| 01:58.50 | DemoXin | but i was the one doing it |
| 01:58.54 | DemoXin | =( |
| 01:59.07 | Xuerian | You're the one that asked for input on it :) |
| 01:59.48 | DemoXin | okay, but from a purely ingame standpoint |
| 01:59.54 | DemoXin | that would been awesome, yes? |
| 02:00.02 | DemoXin | woulda* |
| 02:00.13 | Xuerian | Damage-wise, it would've been painful. Yes. :P |
| 02:00.21 | DemoXin | now |
| 02:00.29 | DemoXin | if only i could get past lvl 27 so i can do it |
| 02:00.33 | DemoXin | loll |
| 02:00.49 | DemoXin | yes, my main is a lvl27 |
| 02:00.59 | DemoXin | if that tells u how long ive been not playing |
| 02:03.16 | Xuerian | You could have 10 other level 26 alts for all I knew :P |
| 02:03.45 | DemoXin | nope |
| 02:04.02 | DemoXin | ive got a 27, a 22, a 16, a 5, and a couple level 1 or 2's |
| 02:04.07 | Nasphreak29 | you do have a 22 Shaman though |
| 02:04.08 | Nasphreak29 | :p |
| 02:04.09 | Nasphreak29 | lol |
| 02:04.15 | DemoXin | i hate my shaman |
| 02:04.20 | Nasphreak29 | i love mine ^_^ |
| 02:04.27 | DemoXin | i dont know why, i jsut dont like mine |
| 02:04.28 | Nasphreak29 | and you got your mage to lvl 16? O.o |
| 02:04.32 | DemoXin | yeah |
| 02:04.42 | DemoXin | once i get my rogue done im gonna finish my mage |
| 02:05.38 | DemoXin | im kinda doing whatever talents i see fit for my rogue atm |
| 02:06.03 | DemoXin | but at 60, or 70 if i get BC by then, im gonna unlearn all my talents, and dump everything into subtetly |
| 02:06.09 | Nasphreak29 | my shaman is just following the enhancement tree |
| 02:09.30 | Wobin | does anyone here own a blackberry? |
| 02:11.51 | Thunder_Child | have a question Wobin? |
| 02:12.52 | scotepi | what happens when a item link gets cut in a addon channel? |
| 02:13.05 | Wobin | Is the handset independant of carrier? |
| 02:13.30 | Wobin | ie, can I buy one as a gift for someone in another country, and be sure that they can use it |
| 02:13.43 | Thunder_Child | should be, it's sim card enabled |
| 02:13.53 | Wobin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:18.43 | DemoXin | ... |
| 02:21.21 | Industrial | hokhai sho |
| 02:21.30 | Industrial | whas Fray Island? im on it and nothing is happening |
| 02:23.35 | DemoXin | i want to know as well |
| 02:23.58 | Industrial | apparently level 30 quests for warriors |
| 02:24.10 | Industrial | berserker stance + whirlwind weapon |
| 02:24.33 | Industrial | lame, i jumped off the boat for this |
| 02:27.14 | DemoXin | there's a path of shallow water back to ratchet |
| 02:27.22 | DemoXin | just watch out for Nessy |
| 02:27.24 | DemoXin | she jumps |
| 02:28.22 | Industrial | already in STM :P |
| 02:28.27 | DemoXin | im out for a while |
| 02:28.32 | DemoXin | laters peeps |
| 02:33.24 | cladhaire | Does Waterboy work with WoW 2.0 anymolre? |
| 02:34.12 | Xuerian | It sets up the trade but doesn't complete it, iirc... |
| 02:34.55 | cladhaire | hrm |
| 02:35.05 | cladhaire | what would you consider a "must have" mage addon? |
| 02:36.52 | cladhaire | hehe =) |
| 02:40.22 | Cide | decursive!! |
| 02:40.29 | Cide | oh wait, wrong patch |
| 02:41.02 | Cide | I know a lot of people like the necrosis clones, but I don't know if any of those have been updated |
| 02:45.54 | cladhaire | Cryolysis has been |
| 02:46.17 | cladhaire | there aren't a ton of mods for mages specifically |
| 02:46.47 | Xuerian | Doesn't seem like a class that needs many core mods, really |
| 02:55.39 | scotepi | in php there is exploded(), any equivalent in lua? |
| 02:56.30 | Cide | not really |
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| 02:57.30 | Xuerian | scotepi: There's been a explode() written on lua-users.org |
| 02:57.39 | Xuerian | It's somewhere in the pattern tutorials |
| 02:57.53 | scotepi | cool thanks |
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| 02:59.30 | scotepi | http://lua-users.org/wiki/TableHandling |
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| 03:01.21 | iamhef | nice... that first function is useful |
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| 03:02.21 | iamhef | can anyone tell me why i can do QuestLogFrame:Show() while in combat and not have any problems? (i.e. when am i supposed to encounter problems?) |
| 03:03.02 | Cide | why would you encounter problems? |
| 03:03.06 | Cide | the frame is not protected |
| 03:03.30 | iamhef | oh i assumed all blizzard framers were protected... that would make sense then |
| 03:03.35 | iamhef | *frames |
| 03:03.52 | Cide | no; only ones that do secure logic (spellcasting, targetting) |
| 03:04.18 | Cide | s/targetting/targeting/ |
| 03:05.54 | iamhef | hmmm... so it appears there is currently no way to change the position the spellbook shows at (with the SetLeftFrame(), etc logic) |
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| 03:09.16 | scotepi | hmmm.. the explode function on lua-users crashed me.. "Not enough storage is available to process this command." |
| 03:10.26 | scotepi | wow.. that a memory leak ive iver ever seen one |
| 03:10.43 | Legorol | Cide: don't you love the terminology? |
| 03:10.54 | Legorol | Blizzard code is secure, but not some of its frames are not protected |
| 03:11.05 | Legorol | Secure frames however are protected, even in AddOn code |
| 03:11.09 | Cide | Legorol: no, not really :) |
| 03:11.26 | Legorol | AddOn code which is insecure |
| 03:11.32 | Cide | I always get confused, so correct me if I used the wrong terms :) |
| 03:11.58 | Legorol | Hm, maybe i should make up a mantra or somethin... |
| 03:12.00 | Legorol | like |
| 03:12.14 | Wobin | omne padme om? |
| 03:12.27 | Legorol | "Not all protected frames are from secure code, but all secure frames are protected" |
| 03:12.37 | Legorol | "Not all secured code uses protected frames" |
| 03:12.41 | Legorol | and other confusing ones like that |
| 03:13.04 | Wobin | "Secured all Not frames uses protected!" |
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| 03:13.53 | Legorol | actually i think i am using it wrong |
| 03:14.00 | Legorol | are there such things as secure frames? |
| 03:14.09 | Legorol | there is secure code, protected frames, and protected API functions |
| 03:14.15 | Wobin | There are frames that are secured |
| 03:14.23 | Wobin | by secure code |
| 03:14.42 | MentalPower|Java | there is no "secure frame" per se |
| 03:15.22 | Legorol | MentalPower|Java: thanks god for saving my sanity |
| 03:15.23 | MentalPower|Java | but it is implied that a "protected frame" that has "secure code" attached to it via handlers is considered a "secure frame" |
| 03:15.26 | Legorol | there is only "secure" attribute |
| 03:15.41 | MentalPower|Java | right |
| 03:15.44 | scotepi | is it posable to just reload one addon? |
| 03:15.47 | Legorol | and i mean XML attribute |
| 03:15.51 | Legorol | scotepi: nope |
| 03:15.51 | MentalPower|Java | scotepi: nop |
| 03:15.55 | MentalPower|Java | lol |
| 03:15.57 | Legorol | you see, there is this bowl of pea soup.. |
| 03:16.04 | MentalPower|Java | it was pea soup? |
| 03:16.05 | Legorol | MentalPower|Java: i win by the letter "e" |
| 03:16.05 | Wobin | ^^ |
| 03:16.10 | MentalPower|Java | I thought it was just soup |
| 03:16.14 | Legorol | no, wasn't pea soup, but i like pea soups :D |
| 03:16.17 | Legorol | it was just soup |
| 03:16.29 | MentalPower|Java | and you added small crackers and stuff to it |
| 03:16.34 | Legorol | aye, but i prefer peas |
| 03:16.36 | Legorol | hence pea soup |
| 03:16.43 | MentalPower|Java | damn, now I have to find that post again |
| 03:16.51 | Legorol | i think cardplace is your friend |
| 03:16.55 | Wobin | well |
| 03:17.02 | Wobin | come 2.1.0 |
| 03:17.08 | Legorol | anyway, MentalPower|Java, now that you saved my sanity... |
| 03:17.13 | Wobin | we'll be dumping the crackers still in their packaging into the soup |
| 03:17.16 | Legorol | what is a "secure frame" then? bit confused on that |
| 03:17.35 | Legorol | Wobin: yeah but those packages will be leaky |
| 03:17.41 | Wobin | it's true |
| 03:17.42 | Legorol | and may leak their contents into other packages |
| 03:17.49 | Legorol | so good luck getting them out again |
| 03:17.51 | Wobin | Mmm squidgy |
| 03:19.41 | MentalPower|Java | Legorol: actually, I don't want to create a new term for an already confusing subject |
| 03:19.48 | Legorol | ok |
| 03:19.51 | MentalPower|Java | just forget "secure frame" was ever mentioned |
| 03:20.01 | Legorol | i haven't been following things, and i just noticed people using "secure frame" |
| 03:20.09 | Legorol | so i thought maybe that became common terminology for something i missed |
| 03:20.14 | Wobin | Lets call it... "Toast" |
| 03:20.25 | Legorol | i used to understand this stuf.. |
| 03:20.27 | iamhef | frames = toast, secure = butter |
| 03:20.35 | Legorol | time for a refresher course, i think |
| 03:20.38 | iamhef | protected = cream cheese |
| 03:20.49 | Wobin | And if you drop the frame on the floor, it naturally lands secure side down. |
| 03:20.54 | Legorol | rofl |
| 03:20.55 | iamhef | lol |
| 03:21.06 | Legorol | by Murphy's Security Rules |
| 03:25.46 | MentalPower|Java | WOOT! http://blue.cardplace.com/cache/wow-interface-customization/231117.htm |
| 03:26.55 | iamhef | nice |
| 03:26.56 | Wobin | <3 Slouken |
| 03:27.02 | Wobin | and now I'm hungry |
| 03:31.54 | Legorol | see, it has peas in it! |
| 03:32.01 | Legorol | i remembered right, ha! it's a peasoup |
| 03:32.21 | MentalPower|Java | yeah, yeah, yeah |
| 03:32.37 | MentalPower|Java | I always remember the crackers, but none of the rest |
| 03:32.53 | Legorol | mmmm, delicious |
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| 03:34.10 | MentalPower|Java | scotepi: why are you using explode instead of string.split() |
| 03:34.28 | scotepi | im used to explode |
| 03:34.42 | tlund | is there a page or document where I can read about tainting? I have something tainting stuff in my UI and want to find out how it works and how I can find the broken addon... |
| 03:34.48 | scotepi | i got it another way though, using wowwiki totorial |
| 03:36.15 | Esamynn | tlund: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=34224257&sid=1 |
| 03:37.12 | Wobin | we have a string.split? |
| 03:37.17 | Esamynn | we do |
| 03:38.15 | Wobin | oh hey |
| 03:38.18 | Wobin | what do you know |
| 03:38.48 | MentalPower|Java | written by norgs and slouken |
| 03:38.59 | scotepi | hey, does anyone know what happens you you try and send a item link over a addon channel and it doesnt fit? |
| 03:39.11 | MentalPower|Java | scotepi: string.split is implemented in C, so its faster and more efficient |
| 03:40.07 | Wobin | bah |
| 03:40.14 | Esamynn | scotepi: you mean, if it's truncated? |
| 03:40.17 | Wobin | my explode handles quotation marks =( |
| 03:40.31 | Wobin | Can I get string.split to do that for me? =\ |
| 03:40.31 | MentalPower|Java | "some", "string", "delimited", "by", "colons" = string.split(":", "some:string:delimited:by:colons") |
| 03:40.54 | Wobin | oh wait, I probably can |
| 03:41.15 | MentalPower|Java | it handles any ANSI char as delimiter(s) |
| 03:41.35 | Wobin | returns as separate values? not as a table? |
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| 03:41.39 | MentalPower|Java | you can also specify more than one char as delimiter, so you get something like |
| 03:41.46 | Esamynn | Wobin: correct |
| 03:41.51 | Wobin | hm |
| 03:41.52 | MentalPower|Java | yes, separate values, but you can convert to table rather easily |
| 03:42.01 | MentalPower|Java | {string.split(...)} |
| 03:42.18 | Esamynn | don't advocate that :P |
| 03:42.31 | Wobin | Sorry, please, finish your example of multidelimiters |
| 03:42.48 | MentalPower|Java | "some", "string", "delimited", "by", "colons", "or", "commas" = string.split(":,", "some:string,delimited:by,colons:or,commas") |
| 03:43.06 | Wobin | ah simple enough |
| 03:43.19 | Wobin | Is there a better way, Esamynn? =) |
| 03:43.22 | MentalPower|Java | Esamynn: hehe, I use it (or at least used to) |
| 03:43.27 | MentalPower|Java | yes |
| 03:43.35 | Esamynn | Wobin: YES! |
| 03:43.45 | MentalPower|Java | you can pass string.split to a vararg function |
| 03:43.56 | Esamynn | and use select() |
| 03:44.12 | Esamynn | only use {} if you are keeping the table on a semi-permanent basis |
| 03:44.33 | MentalPower|Java | function somefunction(...) <do stuff with args using select> end somefunction(string.split(":,", "some:string,delimited:by,colons:or,commas")) |
| 03:46.28 | scotepi | i just started writing this addon today, http://wow-en.curse-gaming.com/files/details/6370/remotetrade/ but i have 1 minor bug. what it does is relays trade chat over the addon channel, but if to many items are linked you get DCed... is there any fix? like droping out 1 item? whats the max langth i can send over the addon channel |
| 03:46.30 | Wobin | I could never figure out how select() was used |
| 03:47.49 | Esamynn | I assume you've read the manual description of it? |
| 03:47.59 | Wobin | It's somewhat... unclear |
| 03:48.21 | Wobin | select (index, ···) |
| 03:48.22 | Wobin | If index is a number, returns all arguments after argument number index. Otherwise, index must be the string "#", and select returns the total number of extra arguments it received. |
| 03:48.27 | MentalPower|Java | scotepi: 254bytes is the max |
| 03:48.47 | scotepi | k, what would happen if i break up a item link? |
| 03:49.08 | Wobin | how does it return the arguments? As a table? |
| 03:49.09 | MentalPower|Java | scotepi: you can't, it checks that itemLinks are valid |
| 03:49.20 | Esamynn | Wobin: nope, as regular returns |
| 03:49.33 | scotepi | so nothing would be displayed? or would i get DCed |
| 03:49.36 | MentalPower|Java | Wobin: almost nothing in Lua returns a table |
| 03:49.42 | MentalPower|Java | scotepi: DC |
| 03:49.44 | Wobin | so how would I use select to get a table of 'returns' from string.split? |
| 03:49.56 | Esamynn | just a sec |
| 03:50.02 | scotepi | grr... that makes this mod harder |
| 03:50.32 | MentalPower|Java | (Esamynn will lart me for this) someTable = {string.split()} |
| 03:50.44 | Wobin | =P |
| 03:50.50 | Esamynn | ~bzfrag MentalPower|Java |
| 03:51.02 | purl | ACTION skewers MentalPower|Java with a super bullet |
| 03:51.02 | MentalPower|Java | lol! |
| 03:51.53 | Esamynn | Wobin: what are you looking to do with the returns? |
| 03:52.00 | Esamynn | store them as a table, or operate on them? |
| 03:52.00 | scotepi | how do i get the langth of a sting? |
| 03:52.08 | Esamynn | # |
| 03:52.14 | MentalPower|Java | scotepi: either # or string.len() |
| 03:52.19 | Wobin | go through one by one looking for quoted strings |
| 03:52.38 | Wobin | well, basically |
| 03:53.25 | Wobin | I have the string: bing p-womble z-frog k-"cabbage is nice" bang |
| 03:53.25 | Esamynn | yah |
| 03:53.48 | Esamynn | use %b"" |
| 03:53.48 | Wobin | at the moment, my explode function returns it as {arg1="bing", p="womble", z="frog", k="cabbage is nice", arg2="bang"} |
| 03:54.30 | Esamynn | ahh |
| 03:54.43 | Esamynn | I see your problem |
| 03:54.56 | Wobin | yeah, I'm doing a couple of levels of filtering |
| 03:55.07 | Esamynn | what is the lifetime of the table? |
| 03:55.15 | Wobin | fairly short |
| 03:55.21 | Wobin | nothing stored, that's for certain |
| 03:55.50 | MentalPower|Java | scotepi: you can "escape" itemLinks so that they can be split-up by doing a :gsub("|", "||") on it |
| 03:56.16 | MentalPower|Java | scotepi: that way it won't be recognized as an itemLink by the game and you will not be disconnected by linking it |
| 03:56.40 | Esamynn | Wobin: here's a very simple framework for using select() http://wowi.pastey.net/6388 |
| 03:56.44 | MentalPower|Java | scotepi: at the other end you can do the inverse to convert it back into a link :gsub("||", "|") |
| 03:56.47 | scotepi | for now ill just drop less then 255 strings |
| 03:56.58 | Wobin | aha |
| 03:57.27 | Wobin | I see, thank you Esamynn =) |
| 03:57.27 | Esamynn | you're welcome |
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| 04:03.07 | MentalPower|Java | scotepi: note that the max for a message on the addon channels is 254bytes, that includes the header and the message |
| 04:03.26 | scotepi | >< |
| 04:03.39 | scotepi | header bing the addon name? |
| 04:03.44 | scotepi | or also where its too |
| 04:04.14 | scotepi | *being |
| 04:05.57 | Esamynn | scotepi: the header being the first arg to SendAddonMessage and the body being the 2nd arg |
| 04:06.12 | MentalPower|Java | what Esamynn said |
| 04:06.36 | scotepi | k |
| 04:06.55 | MentalPower|Java | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_SendAddonMessage |
| 04:07.03 | scotepi | MetalPower, you know of a place i can see a totorial of spliting up the message? |
| 04:07.51 | MentalPower|Java | tutorial, no, but you can check out how Telepathy and AceComm do it |
| 04:09.35 | scotepi | where can i find em? |
| 04:10.11 | scotepi | found telepathy |
| 04:10.28 | Wobin | www.wowace.com/files/Ace2 |
| 04:10.34 | Wobin | for acecomm |
| 04:12.21 | scotepi | lol, looks like svn got build happy |
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| 04:24.20 | scotepi | is there a way to str split at a langth? |
| 04:25.38 | Wobin | no |
| 04:25.38 | Wobin | but you can string.sub |
| 04:26.46 | Wobin | http://wowi.pastey.net/6392 |
| 04:26.50 | Wobin | Esamynn, ^ |
| 04:26.54 | Wobin | It's not pretty =P |
| 04:27.15 | Wobin | and it'll only work for certain delimiters |
| 04:27.27 | Wobin | I wasn't sure how to keep it recusive and allow for specific delimiters |
| 04:27.44 | scotepi | there is one on lua-users.org but i couldnt get it to work |
| 04:27.51 | Wobin | s/cus/curs/ |
| 04:28.02 | Wobin | I modified one earlier to work |
| 04:28.11 | Esamynn | Wobin: http://wowi.pastey.net/6392?hi=3 how about some brackets for sanity? |
| 04:28.14 | Wobin | but since we have string.split, I figured I may as well use it |
| 04:28.37 | Wobin | oh, aye =) |
| 04:29.03 | Wobin | damn lack of required brackets makes me lazy =) |
| 04:29.16 | Esamynn | Wobin: and do you *really* want to be returning a table? |
| 04:29.49 | Wobin | hm |
| 04:29.50 | Esamynn | instead of doing the processing on the spot, or something |
| 04:30.11 | Wobin | There's quite a bit of processing to do = |
| 04:30.12 | Wobin | \ |
| 04:30.22 | Wobin | And I want to make it readable/understandable at least |
| 04:30.46 | Esamynn | alternatively |
| 04:30.54 | Esamynn | you could re-use the table you are returning |
| 04:31.03 | Wobin | hm |
| 04:31.12 | Wobin | at which point? |
| 04:31.37 | Esamynn | put the table creation outside the function, and just clear it out at the beginning of the explode |
| 04:31.54 | Esamynn | that is assuming of course you don't need two results from that function at the same time |
| 04:32.43 | Esamynn | but am I right in thinking this processing is triggered by and event and not by user interaction? |
| 04:32.53 | Wobin | no, it's user input |
| 04:32.59 | Esamynn | ahh ok |
| 04:33.09 | Esamynn | not so bad then to be creating that garbage |
| 04:33.19 | Wobin | as in /waypoint g-guildmember p-partymember notename |
| 04:33.21 | Wobin | etc |
| 04:33.37 | Wobin | yeah, it's a once every so often, not many times a second =) |
| 04:34.14 | Esamynn | ahh ok |
| 04:34.34 | Esamynn | I'll just be quiet then :) |
| 04:34.44 | Wobin | nono =) Thank you for your help =) |
| 04:35.00 | Esamynn | not a problem |
| 04:38.02 | scotepi | the first 3 should be there, but 4+ should be all user setable |
| 04:38.34 | scotepi | source, name, dest, then atlest 3-9 |
| 04:45.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | just passed 10k hp unbuffed :O |
| 04:45.27 | Shadowed | is auth server broken for anyone? |
| 04:45.52 | Shadowed | ...nope just icecrown |
| 04:47.25 | Shadowed | error retrieving character list, thats a new one |
| 04:48.52 | scotepi | is it posable to unset a var? |
| 04:49.41 | iamhef | like "myvar = nil"? |
| 04:49.50 | scotepi | yeah |
| 04:50.02 | iamhef | yes: "myvar = nil" =) |
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| 04:57.52 | scotepi | whats "does not equal" != doesnt work |
| 04:58.01 | iamhef | ~= |
| 04:58.08 | iamhef | tilde equals |
| 05:00.16 | scotepi | can someone look at http://wowi.pastey.net/6394 im getting attempt to index field '?' (a nil value) |
| 05:00.43 | scotepi | on line 4 there |
| 05:01.25 | scotepi | it suposed to be if RT_Message[id][2] is something then run else do the other stuff |
| 05:01.38 | iamhef | what if RT_Message[id] == nil? |
| 05:01.41 | MentalPower|Java | aye |
| 05:01.44 | MentalPower|Java | thats the problem |
| 05:01.47 | Wobin | Have you declared ... |
| 05:01.59 | MentalPower|Java | lol! |
| 05:02.05 | scotepi | RT_Messages = {} is at the start of the script |
| 05:02.24 | Wobin | ah, so RT_Messages[id] doesn't necessarily exist |
| 05:02.25 | scotepi | ah |
| 05:02.33 | Wobin | not as a table at least |
| 05:02.34 | iamhef | AH! |
| 05:02.48 | Wobin | =P |
| 05:03.04 | iamhef | s/AH/HA |
| 05:03.10 | iamhef | hrmm |
| 05:03.13 | Wobin | trailing / |
| 05:03.21 | iamhef | s/AH/HA/ |
| 05:03.34 | Wobin | purl only replaces one line back =) |
| 05:03.42 | iamhef | doh |
| 05:04.08 | iamhef | s/doh/<-- dumb/ |
| 05:04.35 | iamhef | purl, can you hear me now? |
| 05:04.50 | iamhef | what was the command to prod someone? |
| 05:04.59 | iamhef | or keyword |
| 05:05.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | ~lart iamhef |
| 05:05.35 | iamhef | lol nice |
| 05:05.38 | iamhef | ~lart purl |
| 05:05.52 | iamhef | let's see what happens |
| 05:06.01 | iamhef | s/let's see what happens/~lart purl/ |
| 05:06.07 | iamhef | boring |
| 05:14.17 | scotepi | are item links enclosed in chat? or is realy just item:id:id... |
| 05:16.11 | kaso | in chat links are enclosed by |{colorcode}|H{link}|h{visible text}|h|r |
| 05:16.15 | kaso | off the top of my head |
| 05:16.54 | scotepi | sweet, so i can just find the first |r in the string |
| 05:17.09 | kaso | ah sorry, the first |h is wrong |
| 05:17.30 | kaso | |{colorcode}|H{link}{visible text}|h|r |
| 05:18.26 | Legorol | Would anyone mind posting this response: |
| 05:18.27 | Legorol | http://wowi.pastey.net/6390 |
| 05:18.34 | Legorol | to this thread: |
| 05:18.34 | Legorol | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=75210713&sid=1 |
| 05:18.40 | Legorol | on my behalf? |
| 05:18.45 | Legorol | Would be much appreciated |
| 05:19.02 | Cairenn | done |
| 05:19.29 | kaso | It sounds like the version he has is having problems with outlands greens |
| 05:19.47 | Legorol | Cairenn, you are a sweety as always |
| 05:20.09 | Cairenn | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=75210713&postId=753643792&sid=1#1 |
| 05:20.25 | Legorol | kaso: there is no version of EqC to my knowledge that has, had or should have problems with Outland greens |
| 05:20.29 | Legorol | hence my response |
| 05:20.42 | Legorol | if he can show me a screenshot, that'd help a great deal |
| 05:21.23 | Cairenn | (and approved on WoWI) |
| 05:21.45 | Legorol | ty, so i didn't include something stupid in the zip this time |
| 05:22.05 | Legorol | i like this approval process, it protects me from my own stupidity :D |
| 05:22.23 | Thunder_Child | ~wrists |
| 05:22.33 | purl | Remember, emo kids, it's down the street, not across the road! http://www.saunalahti.fi/maut0n/makeitcount.jpg |
| 05:25.50 | Legorol | that's not funny |
| 05:26.02 | Legorol | i had a classmate in school who cut up his wrist during an English lesson in front of me |
| 05:26.07 | Legorol | no surprise i'm disturbed |
| 05:26.28 | Cairenn | nope, but enough others do find it amusing that they've programmed it in to purl |
| 05:26.40 | Legorol | ok it was he who was disturbed, but it was shocking still |
| 05:29.48 | Legorol | tonkw ftw! i love that quest reward |
| 05:31.05 | Legorol | bye bye everyone |
| 05:31.05 | Legorol | see you soon |
| 05:31.05 | Cairenn | wheee, netsplit |
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| 05:31.13 | MentalPower|Java | wb everyone |
| 05:32.06 | scotepi | wow.. WB |
| 05:32.06 | kaso | pow |
| 05:33.38 | Cairenn | night clad|sleep, sweet dreams |
| 05:33.52 | clad|sleep | night =) |
| 05:41.52 | Garoun|Loupana | wb folks |
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| 06:04.03 | Cairenn | still think this is a riot: http://www.futuremark.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23914 |
| 06:05.19 | Kirkburn|afk | Haha, I remember that |
| 06:05.23 | Kirkburn|afk | It's awesome :D |
| 06:08.45 | Corrodias | heheh |
| 06:09.43 | Corrodias | how did the thread get 11 pages? |
| 06:09.57 | Corrodias | it's all just people commenting on the same story |
| 06:10.42 | Corrodias | oh god, it's 36 pages |
| 06:11.07 | Kirkburn|afk | Corrodias, you have /been/ to the WoW forums, haven't you? |
| 06:11.25 | Cairenn | heh |
| 06:11.27 | Corrodias | i've been to the WoW forums. they're perhaps the least well run forums i've ever seen. |
| 06:11.35 | Corrodias | or, rather, the least moderated |
| 06:11.46 | Kirkburn|afk | Most popular as well, perhaps |
| 06:11.57 | Corrodias | (for having rules against various douchebaggery that are never enforced) |
| 06:12.08 | Kirkburn|afk | They do need more mods |
| 06:12.46 | Corrodias | i suppose trying to keep WoW players from flaming each other would be like trying to use a fire exinguisher on a full fifty-story blaze |
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| 06:13.03 | Kirkburn|afk | haha |
| 06:13.16 | Cairenn | You couldn't pay me enough to try to moderate their forums |
| 06:13.34 | Cairenn | mind you, they wouldn't like my method of moderating to begin with, so it's a moot point |
| 06:14.18 | Cairenn | "Hi, you're being a complete dickhead, piss off or leave" |
| 06:14.50 | Cairenn | "Oh, you still want to be a complete dickhead? Okay then ..." *BANNED!* |
| 06:15.06 | Corrodias | that's what i would expect |
| 06:15.32 | Corrodias | but apparently it isn't a big deal on the wow forums. i guess they just aren't Serious Business, outside perhaps the tech support & ui dev forums |
| 06:15.42 | Cairenn | Yes, but I would (and do) use basically those exact words, and they aren't precisely "professional" |
| 06:15.53 | Wobin | It's your soft voice, your gentle touch, and your ironclad refusal to accept idiocy that we love you for Cair |
| 06:16.00 | bleetah | i'd be like 'you're the type who if I even told to piss off, wouldn't, so *ban*' |
| 06:16.13 | bleetah | as my opening remark |
| 06:16.26 | Corrodias | bleetah, on the other hand, is bad PR |
| 06:16.28 | Cairenn | well, that too, in some cases bleetah ;) |
| 06:16.40 | Corrodias | as bad as hardly ever replying to questions? maybe, maybe not |
| 06:17.12 | Cairenn | Wobin: iron fist, velvet glove, that's me :) |
| 06:17.56 | Kirkburn|afk | I would love to be able to emulate your touch on the wiki, but I can't easily :( |
| 06:18.32 | Kirkburn|afk | I like handing out infinite bans for vandalism - but I just can't ban stupid people :P |
| 06:18.47 | Wobin | You'd be spending a lot of time banning =) |
| 06:18.53 | Kirkburn|afk | hehe |
| 06:18.56 | Kirkburn|afk | I would indeed |
| 06:19.19 | Kirkburn|afk | We just hit 24,000 articles! :D |
| 06:19.26 | Cairenn | You wouldn't want me to actually start moderating there, either, because I wouldn't put up with near as much shit as you guys accept |
| 06:20.02 | Kirkburn|afk | :) |
| 06:20.33 | Kirkburn|afk | Ooh, well over 500,000 page edits, too |
| 06:21.00 | Corrodias | actually, the unbridled nonsense of the wow forums can be refreshing |
| 06:22.01 | Cairenn | there's silly nonsense, and then there's rampant stupidity and rudeness |
| 06:23.39 | Corrodias | it's fine, lern2read |
| 06:23.54 | Cairenn | heh |
| 06:26.48 | Cairenn | okay, sleepy time for me, night guys |
| 06:27.06 | Kirkburn|afk | Night night! |
| 06:27.15 | Adys | gn cair |
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| 06:37.01 | JoshBorke | bout to kill a fel reaver and what happens? |
| 06:37.05 | JoshBorke | stupid server goes offline |
| 06:38.58 | Corrodias | i bet you died |
| 06:41.08 | Corrodias | well, this new firefox is pretty good except for one thing |
| 06:41.32 | Corrodias | it seems to be quite unstable when uploading files |
| 06:42.59 | kaso | new firefox? |
| 06:43.21 | Corrodias | new to me, version |
| 06:43.25 | Corrodias | version 2 |
| 06:43.39 | kaso | oh, there i was thinking there was a new new version |
| 06:44.12 | zenzelezz | FF2 hasn't given me any trouble so far |
| 06:44.22 | Corrodias | and maybe not just when uploading, but switching tabs appears to be involved all right |
| 06:44.26 | Corrodias | i think it just froze again |
| 06:44.45 | Corrodias | task manager shows that there is some activity... but i can't view the window |
| 06:44.57 | Corrodias | ah, there we go. i guess it was just so damn busy. |
| 06:45.08 | zenzelezz | the only time it slows like that for me is if it's using a ton of memory for the page in whichever tab I'm either in or going to, so it has to juggle it before displaying the new tab |
| 06:45.23 | kaso | The spell check in FF2 doesn't work properly for me on linux but it does on windows oddly |
| 06:53.04 | haste | It works fine here, under Linux |
| 06:54.32 | kaso | For me, the words show up as under-lined but when i right click on them there is no spelling suggestions offered up |
| 06:55.11 | Corrodias | oh, are there supposed to be? |
| 06:55.40 | kaso | there are on windows |
| 06:55.47 | haste | I get spelling suggestions here |
| 06:55.49 | kaso | at the top of the right-click menu in bold |
| 06:56.36 | kaso | hmm, i wonder what the problem is |
| 06:57.05 | kaso | perhaps one of my Extensions is causing a problem |
| 06:57.15 | Wobin | do you have a dictionary installed? |
| 06:58.28 | kaso | according to the Languages think on the righclick menu i have en_US, English / United States, en_GB and English / United Kingdom |
| 06:59.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | about how much does mana thistle go for on your servers? :O |
| 07:01.10 | Wobin | stupid amounts |
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| 07:01.29 | Wobin | kaso: Maybe you're spelling it all right =) |
| 07:01.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | stupid amounts is good for me |
| 07:01.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | because it's insanely easy to et |
| 07:01.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | get* |
| 07:02.03 | kaso | the red squiggly line is appearing, so i know im doing it wrong |
| 07:02.11 | kaso | just it isnt giving me any help |
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| 07:51.34 | Corrodias | OH how i wish i could move a window off screen |
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| 07:53.57 | xlvii | as anyone sold a 'Transmute: Skyfire Diamond' yet? What's an acceptable price? |
| 07:56.44 | haste | 4~1~4~ |
| 07:57.27 | Corrodias | Pat Sajak. |
| 08:02.13 | Kirkburn|afk | Someone here, someone must get this reference: http://www.wowwiki.com/The_Ziggler |
| 08:02.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's a reference to a diablo 2 weapon, which is a reference in and of itself to....something. |
| 08:03.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh yeah |
| 08:03.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | the diablo 2 one is called the Diggler |
| 08:03.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | and it's a Dirk |
| 08:03.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | iirc |
| 08:04.52 | Kirkburn|afk | ... yes, to .... something |
| 08:04.59 | Corrodias | no clue, kirk |
| 08:05.14 | Kirkburn|afk | Oh come one ... Dirk Ziggler (/Diggler) ?? |
| 08:05.22 | Corrodias | nope |
| 08:05.25 | Kirkburn|afk | s/one/on/ |
| 08:05.41 | Kirkburn|afk | It's a reference to Boogie Nights ... Dirk Diggler was a porn star |
| 08:05.56 | zenzelezz | Boogie Nights? |
| 08:06.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | ohh thats right, i couldn't remember where dirk diggler was from |
| 08:06.21 | Kirkburn|afk | Needless to say, The Ziggler has a chance on hit to shoot a white lighting bolt of "nature energy" |
| 08:07.13 | Kirkburn|afk | And if you don't get that, you need to get out more ;) (or stay in more, with company =) |
| 08:07.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.battle.net/diablo2exp/items/normal/udaggers.shtml |
| 08:07.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | is the original reference |
| 08:07.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | so it's a reference to a reference to a reference |
| 08:07.52 | Kirkburn|afk | haha |
| 08:08.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | theres a lot of diablo 1 and 2 items in WoW |
| 08:08.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | Naglering, which is named after Pat Nagle, are in D2 and Wow |
| 08:08.28 | haste | server dies |
| 08:08.35 | haste | oh hey, scrolled up :D |
| 08:09.03 | kaso | All the Diablo bonuses seem so over-powered from a wow perspective |
| 08:09.33 | Corrodias | +1 to all talents |
| 08:09.46 | Corrodias | i think a properly equipped character in d2 classic would have +8 to all skills |
| 08:09.56 | Corrodias | maybe 9 or 10 |
| 08:10.05 | haste | oh my god, kitty kat > lua code |
| 08:10.36 | haste | I leave the room for five minutes, and I come back to see it rolling ontop of the keyboard |
| 08:11.05 | Corrodias | LuaNoMore |
| 08:12.14 | haste | glad I abuse the SVN a lot :) |
| 08:12.15 | Corrodias | i wish i had more WoW news to read |
| 08:12.28 | Kirkburn|afk | (http://www.wowwiki.com/The_Ziggler) |
| 08:12.38 | Kirkburn|afk | Added some trivia :P |
| 08:15.18 | Wobin | Kirkburn|afk, You need a better layout for the stats |
| 08:15.31 | Wobin | It's really hard to understand what they are when you spell them out like that =) |
| 08:15.32 | Kirkburn|afk | Stubbed it for someone else to do :P |
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| 08:23.32 | Corrodias | i like this quote, "Making people hit their trinkets manually is just ridiculous." |
| 08:23.48 | zenzelezz | ... |
| 08:23.58 | Corrodias | this coming from a guy who apparently one-button-spammed his way through the game before 2.0 |
| 08:24.05 | Corrodias | http://blue.cardplace.com/newcache/us/75309270.htm |
| 08:26.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IGVoqQ4duc&eurl= |
| 08:26.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh man |
| 08:26.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | hahahahaha |
| 08:27.07 | Corrodias | OMG NERF PALLIES! ;) |
| 08:27.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | the human animations and the pally armor combined |
| 08:27.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | just make that epic |
| 08:27.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | where does the music come from |
| 08:27.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's like the inn music only awesome |
| 08:28.04 | Corrodias | blood elves swim dolphin style |
| 08:28.13 | Corrodias | i think that may have been even more amusing |
| 08:28.30 | Corrodias | inn music? well, i never listen to the music in the game |
| 08:28.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | humans have the funniest animations |
| 08:28.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's all i ever listen to is the ingame music while playing |
| 08:28.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | anything else interrupts my ability to do well, i focus too much on the music |
| 08:28.58 | Corrodias | i bored of it after hearing orgrimmar's music for the tenth time |
| 08:29.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | org's music makes me want to eat a live kitten |
| 08:29.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | i hate it :[ |
| 08:29.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's almost as bad as dun morogh's music |
| 08:29.27 | Corrodias | i listen to 80's pop |
| 08:30.01 | Corrodias | i have three shoutcast stations on my winamp playlist for switching among with the hotkeys |
| 08:31.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | i have three shoutcast stations on your mom for switching among with the hotkeys |
| 08:32.35 | Corrodias | i have a druid who isn't purple |
| 08:32.49 | Corrodias | you little oompa-loompa |
| 08:35.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | oompa loompas were orange |
| 08:35.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | nubcake |
| 08:36.03 | Corrodias | hmm. in this one thread, cladhaire promises to "discuss how memory management was handled prior to the 2.0.1 patch, what changed in 2.0.1, and what will be changing in 2.1.0" |
| 08:36.18 | Corrodias | but he doesn't actually say what's changing between 2.0.1 and 2.1.0 |
| 08:36.36 | Corrodias | i... -think- he's saying that the threshhold will be reduced, but he was speaking hypothetically at the time |
| 08:36.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | the threshold |
| 08:36.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | is |
| 08:36.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | dynamic now i think |
| 08:37.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | sorry i just got back from another network where splitting sentences across multiple lines is par for the course |
| 08:37.59 | Corrodias | noob |
| 08:45.53 | Thrae | Hmmm...seems setting your focus through the UnitPopup dropdown menu isn't as easy as I thought it would be. |
| 08:48.34 | Corrodias | what's the pending change for warlock (and presumably hunter) pets involving flight? |
| 08:51.00 | Corrodias | i hate this person already: http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=127162762&pageNo=1&sid=1#0 |
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| 09:03.51 | Corrodias | what's this? people refer to the Ramparts as hard? |
| 09:06.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | the dragon is |
| 09:06.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | thats about it |
| 09:06.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | i hate how so many of the outland instances are a brick wall |
| 09:06.39 | Corrodias | it's the only thing challenging about the whole thing at all |
| 09:06.44 | Corrodias | brick wall? |
| 09:07.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | theres no incline |
| 09:07.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's like |
| 09:07.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | easyeasyeasyeasyeasyWILLONESHOTYOU |
| 09:07.57 | Corrodias | oh, you mean a steep challenge curve at some point during the instance? |
| 09:08.17 | Corrodias | the dragon was easier than any single pull the mana tombs :( but then our tank was the only one who didn't have mana |
| 09:09.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | manatombs was easy |
| 09:09.14 | Corrodias | in fact, we wiped a few times in the mana tombs, but while our attempt on the last guy looked shaky a couple of times, we managed to get him down on our first try. |
| 09:09.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | the hardest part was an extra pull |
| 09:09.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | we wiped a few times if a pull didnt go down right |
| 09:09.34 | Corrodias | well, you know. when i'm healing solo and a mob silences me for 15 seconds. ;) |
| 09:09.43 | Corrodias | somebody's gonna die |
| 09:09.59 | Corrodias | ah, kidding, not necessarily. but it did cause problems twice. |
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| 09:56.59 | Corrodias | but man, solo healing is exciting |
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| 10:07.57 | Wobin | blood furnace is easier than the ramparts |
| 10:08.05 | Wobin | but mostly cause of that damn dragon =P |
| 10:08.34 | Corrodias | is the dragon really that hard? i don't recall that we had -that- much trouble with it |
| 10:09.13 | Corrodias | and the first time, the tank, for whatever reason, absolutely could not keep the damn thing facing one direction, so we were all getting flamed |
| 10:09.27 | Wobin | The problem occurs when you don't have the standard makeup of a 'normal' five man |
| 10:09.57 | Wobin | Since the majority of tanking is being done by a druid/pally, the majority of healing being done by a shadowpriest, etc etc |
| 10:10.05 | Wobin | so everyone isn't used to the dynamics |
| 10:10.19 | Wobin | and not everyone is used to their roles |
| 10:10.28 | Corrodias | that reminds me again of one of the most interesting times i've had, an underbog run with a couple of warlocks, a couple of mages, and a healing druid |
| 10:10.59 | Corrodias | we decided not to try the hydra, but the rest of it went as well as could be expected |
| 10:11.17 | Corrodias | one warlock had a felguard as the MT |
| 10:11.20 | Kirkburn|afk | i.e. thousands upon thousands of firey deaths? :P |
| 10:11.40 | Kirkburn|afk | felguards are good tanks - but only for one mob |
| 10:12.14 | Corrodias | well, we died a few times, but there was an important aspect to this -- the warlocks could banish many of the enemies, who were elementals |
| 10:12.22 | Corrodias | and sheeps were there for the humanoid portions |
| 10:12.23 | Kirkburn|afk | aha, genius |
| 10:13.04 | Corrodias | you're right about the felguard. as long as i didn't fall asleep at the wheel and kept it alive, it did a magnificent job of holding aggro. |
| 10:13.17 | Corrodias | one warlock tended to draw aggro, but he enjoys his life siphoning tanking |
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| 10:16.26 | Kirkburn|afk | Heh, it works well |
| 10:16.39 | Kirkburn|afk | 70% interrupt resist |
| 10:16.47 | Corrodias | he must have had that, i guess |
| 10:19.56 | Corrodias | i will admit full ignorance on classes other than druid and hunter right now, although i've got some minor experience with mage |
| 10:22.01 | Kirkburn|afk | Mages, they're the one's with the pointy hats, no? |
| 10:23.04 | Corrodias | they can be |
| 10:23.13 | Corrodias | more typically, pointy shoulders |
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| 10:41.12 | Corrodias | ah, achewood quote time: "When i want your opinion i will cut out your brain and eat it and crap your opinion back into your skull" |
| 10:45.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | hot |
| 10:48.45 | zenzelezz | and people think Achewood is funny? |
| 10:49.54 | Corrodias | i do |
| 10:50.17 | Corrodias | and the WoW forums continue to amuse. now i apparently have two copies of each of three characters, same name & level! |
| 11:04.06 | Corrodias | Hey! i want Fear Ward. :( |
| 11:05.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | roll the ugliest char in the game |
| 11:05.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | and get it |
| 11:06.19 | Corrodias | i only play on the horde~ |
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| 11:06.50 | Corrodias | will of the forsaken would be a decent thing to have, but i don't know that i can tolerate being an undead character for any class |
| 11:08.33 | zenzelezz | what, you don't like to look like a crook-backed, half decomposed former human? |
| 11:09.08 | sancus | WEB FORUMS ARE HARD |
| 11:09.22 | Corrodias | http://tisng.com/disp.php?file=flash/whatislovecollection.swf |
| 11:09.44 | sancus | haha |
| 11:10.22 | kaso | Corrodias, once you've had WoTF you never go back in my opinion, whenever i play my hunter i mash my imaginary WoTF button instantly when i get fear, its an autonomous reaction, then you get pissed when nothing happens |
| 11:10.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | lol i love the tripcode at the bottom corr |
| 11:10.41 | sancus | the ship one rules |
| 11:12.10 | kaso | true |
| 11:13.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.winterheartsguild.com/wg/index.htm |
| 11:13.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | hahaha |
| 11:13.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | sonata arctica game |
| 11:14.40 | Corrodias | what is this you have linked us, rabies? |
| 11:15.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | sonata arctica is a power metal band |
| 11:15.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | and they're starring in an action RPG |
| 11:16.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://youtube.com/watch?v=pioL1uaGJ4M |
| 11:16.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | for reference |
| 11:17.02 | Corrodias | maybe if i make a warlock it'll be undead and not BE or something |
| 11:17.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | an extra silence is always good |
| 11:17.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | just so you rock mages THAT much more |
| 11:17.48 | Corrodias | you refer to BE racial? that's nearly melee range, mind you |
| 11:18.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | indeed, but felhunter + be racial = awesome |
| 11:18.22 | Corrodias | and as for the video, that's way not my kind of music |
| 11:19.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | pfft |
| 11:19.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | what do you listen to anyway |
| 11:20.48 | Corrodias | mostly 80's pop, but i like other things, too |
| 11:21.16 | Corrodias | certain types of alternative rock, with a fair bit of metal |
| 11:24.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | mostly 80s rock and power metal here :p |
| 11:25.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | power metal's like an extension of 80s rock, pretty much, to me |
| 11:25.11 | Corrodias | i think my beef with that song is that there's a lot of loud but no funk, groove, or hip to it. |
| 11:25.39 | Corrodias | the beat is a constant, rapid barrage |
| 11:26.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | different strokes for different folks i guess |
| 11:26.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm a big fan of spamming the double bass and kickin rad guitar solos :p |
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| 11:28.15 | Barcode | hi guys |
| 11:28.23 | Barcode | anyone play any private server? |
| 11:28.51 | Wobin | ?? |
| 11:29.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | he did that once before iirc |
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| 11:35.41 | Mobeater | good morning everybody |
| 11:42.31 | Corrodias | i think i could just fall asleep in my chair and fall out, while trying to read things |
| 12:00.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh man |
| 12:00.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | i did that in class once |
| 12:00.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | fell out of my desk while i was asleep |
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| 12:38.42 | TheStig | someone link me to scryers vs aldor rewards again please~ |
| 12:40.24 | gngsk| | search for it |
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| 12:47.16 | MentalPower|ZZzz | gnight |
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| 12:53.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | ~lart #wowi-lounge |
| 12:53.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | hot clue gun. |
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| 14:55.51 | Djarshi | Hello |
| 14:57.36 | Djarshi | Does anyone have the url to a working wow-interface package. the link from the wow-europe and worldofwarcraft forums is broken. It looks like they never update it anymore |
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| 15:04.26 | Kindari | what do you mean |
| 15:04.36 | Kindari | like a mod pack? |
| 15:04.54 | Djarshi | I remember wow had a sample package which you could download from the wow site |
| 15:05.19 | Kindari | the thing that lets you extract al the lua, xml and graphics files? |
| 15:05.31 | Djarshi | oh is that all |
| 15:05.44 | Djarshi | i think it is that one yes :) |
| 15:05.55 | Kindari | yea i just got that like an hour ago hang on |
| 15:06.32 | Kindari | http://www.blizzard.com/support/wow/?id=aww01671p |
| 15:07.00 | Kindari | this forum thread has a lot of good links to resources too.. http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=11381244&sid=1 |
| 15:07.44 | Djarshi | ah yes, that url i used too. but when i download the windows version it says: archive is either unknown format or corrupted ( winrar ) |
| 15:08.41 | TheStig | anyone here a lawyer or a solicitor? |
| 15:08.44 | Kindari | try d/l it again? I just downloaded it about an hour ago and it worked fine |
| 15:09.02 | Djarshi | will try again |
| 15:09.24 | Kindari | it should just have an exe in it, and you run that to install the stuff |
| 15:11.25 | Djarshi | ok, it worked. thank you. it has a tutorial. just what i looked for tx :) |
| 15:12.49 | Djarshi | was looking at discord mod site today wondering if there was a more effecient interface then the 2000buttons one that i have now ;-) But all interface mods have a 12MB download which includes a complete WTF folder and a ton of addons. great when a patch is installed ;-p |
| 15:13.22 | Kindari | yah |
| 15:14.12 | Kindari | i manage a pack for my guild and it's like 17 mb now... and it still is very lean looking - trying to trim the fat though |
| 15:15.15 | Djarshi | working hard to sweat it off wont cut it me thinks. Some stuff is quite hard to relocate and untie from the spaghetti |
| 15:15.31 | Kindari | eya |
| 15:15.47 | Djarshi | Another question if you can spare the time. What is the difference between a backdrop and a Layer with level BACKGROUND? |
| 15:16.21 | Kindari | I don't know - a total novice myself |
| 15:17.01 | Djarshi | same problem with me here :) |
| 15:17.07 | Kindari | the most advanced thing i've done is write a prog that converts a lua table into a comma seperated txt file |
| 15:17.12 | Kindari | for updating guild rosters |
| 15:18.48 | Djarshi | the most advanced thing i did was create some frames in wow. the good thing of the framexml definitions is that the anchoring works like a charm. It's really easy if you want to make resizable windows html could learn from it. but i managed to screw my entire interface over and over so i removed the WTF folder a couple of times now ;-) |
| 15:19.28 | Kindari | haha, i'm still working on the xml stuff |
| 15:19.47 | Kindari | i know a *little* lua because it reads similar to other scripting languages |
| 15:20.16 | Kindari | but i'm not a programmer by day, so i never have time to learn all i want |
| 15:22.16 | Djarshi | yes the theory is simple, but getting the stuff to work is harder :) Remembers me of the good ol'days i first met the book of stroustroup. I was like ~~O.O~~ |
| 15:22.37 | Kindari | lol |
| 15:23.19 | Kindari | say, do you kow if self:RegisterEvent is a replacement for this:RegisterEvent ? |
| 15:25.01 | Djarshi | it probably is. |
| 15:25.32 | Kindari | there was an update in lua or something and wow 2.0 switched to it, and i really don't know what the differences are |
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| 15:26.53 | Djarshi | i guess the old one was self and now it is: this ? |
| 15:28.02 | Kindari | i'm not sure - it appears that self has replaced it, but i'm finding other mods that still use this.something - perhaps that's just the variable name |
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| 15:30.44 | Djarshi | both are used alot as keywords in other languages. for as far as i can remember they mean the same. |
| 15:31.21 | Kindari | i c |
| 15:31.50 | Djarshi | i see in the tutorial that self is being used as parameter in an event handler |
| 15:32.14 | Djarshi | self is being referred to as the frame/window/thing.... that sent the event to the handler |
| 15:32.39 | Djarshi | then i think this is being used from within objects. |
| 15:32.54 | Kindari | oh ok |
| 15:38.33 | Arrowmaster | they dont mean the same |
| 15:39.19 | Arrowmaster | afaik self only works with methods |
| 15:39.25 | Djarshi | no we were about to conclude that, but the difference is still unknown. |
| 15:40.01 | Kindari | so why would you use this:RegisterEvent over self:RegisterEvent |
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| 15:42.16 | Nathalyen | ta gazzu |
| 15:42.58 | Arrowmaster | im not 100% sure but i think this: refers to a frame and self: refers to the parent in method notation |
| 15:43.06 | Kindari | hmm ok |
| 15:43.29 | Djarshi | wouldnt the parent be referred to as 'super' then? |
| 15:43.49 | Arrowmaster | isnt super part of OO |
| 15:44.07 | Arrowmaster | i dont really know the OO stuff |
| 15:44.38 | Djarshi | ok, yes true. super is part of OO. |
| 15:44.39 | Kindari | i don't even know what OO is haha |
| 15:45.06 | Djarshi | OOP = Object Oriented Programming |
| 15:45.24 | Arrowmaster | i know the only place i see self: used in is method notation, and i almost never see this: used in method notation |
| 15:45.27 | Kindari | o o got it |
| 15:45.47 | Djarshi | lol |
| 15:45.52 | Djarshi | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:45.53 | Djarshi | <AbsDimension x="192" y="-235" /> |
| 15:45.53 | Djarshi | </Offset> |
| 15:45.54 | Kindari | man this stuff is hard |
| 15:45.55 | Djarshi | argl |
| 15:46.04 | Djarshi | window popped, sorry |
| 15:48.54 | Nathalyen | ma che cazzo? qualcuno parla italiano? |
| 15:49.07 | Nathalyen | dio cane succhia cazzi |
| 15:49.46 | Djarshi | pizza gorgonzola pls ;-) |
| 15:49.46 | Nathalyen | oh |
| 15:49.50 | Nathalyen | XD |
| 15:49.53 | Djarshi | no i dont know italian sorry |
| 15:50.04 | Nathalyen | tutto accallontato questo scemo |
| 15:50.13 | Nathalyen | ah no coglione?? |
| 15:50.23 | Nathalyen | questo lo capisci? |
| 15:50.44 | Nathalyen | bah come si entra in wow? |
| 15:50.53 | Nathalyen | ho bisogno di un account per entrare nel gioco |
| 15:51.08 | nevcairiel | wonder if purl can translate italian |
| 15:52.16 | Nathalyen | what is entered in the wow? |
| 15:53.15 | Nathalyen | WoW = World Of Warcraft |
| 15:53.37 | Nathalyen | allora calloneddu vi muovete a rispondermi madonna ladra |
| 15:55.12 | Nathalyen | oh?? |
| 15:55.16 | Nathalyen | allora coglioni?? |
| 15:55.20 | Nathalyen | ci siete? |
| 15:55.46 | zenzelezz | I don't think there are many Italians in here; at least not that aren't idle |
| 15:55.55 | Nathalyen | Madonna puttana che succhia i pitali di quel dio necrofagico succhia scroti, che si fa inculare da Lucifero anch'esso usurpatore dei peni altrui |
| 15:56.09 | Nathalyen | what is entered in the wow? |
| 15:56.11 | Nathalyen | what is entered in the wow? |
| 15:56.18 | zenzelezz | stop spamming |
| 15:56.40 | Nathalyen | you answer then instead making questions |
| 15:56.45 | Nathalyen | move |
| 15:56.49 | zenzelezz | then ask a question that makes sense |
| 15:57.58 | Cairenn|afk | Nathalyen: you haven't asked a question that anyone can answer yet, so *DEMANDING* that someone answer you and spamming the channel when it is very apparent that no one (currently available) can understand you is unbelievably rude |
| 15:58.05 | Nathalyen | idiota, it explains what to me is entered in wow you have understood? |
| 15:58.10 | Cairenn|afk | "what is entered in the wow" ... what the heck does that mean? |
| 15:58.21 | zenzelezz | no, we have no idea what you are asking |
| 15:58.31 | Cairenn|afk | and calling people idiots isn't acceptable |
| 15:58.36 | Cairenn|afk | either get polite, or leave |
| 15:58.42 | Nathalyen | how enters itself lousy God? |
| 15:58.47 | zenzelezz | ... |
| 15:58.54 | zenzelezz | nice to know you, goodbye |
| 15:59.05 | Cairenn|afk | anyone feel I'd be incorrect to do what you all know I'm about to do? |
| 15:59.06 | Nathalyen | coglione |
| 15:59.41 | Kindari | it seems he doesn't speak english as a first language, and probably his first language is not a word order based language |
| 15:59.50 | Nathalyen | cairenn suck my dick it sucks penises |
| 15:59.52 | *** kick/#wowi-lounge [Nathalyen!n=Cairenn@MMOI/Administratrix/Cairenn] by Cairenn|afk (Cairenn|afk) |
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| 16:00.07 | Kindari | like - the way each word is formed depends on its use in a sentence, not where it is in the sentence |
| 16:00.16 | zenzelezz | he sure made an effort to get help |
| 16:00.23 | Kindari | lol |
| 16:00.37 | Cairenn|afk | buhbye |
| 16:01.03 | Cairenn | the fact that English isn't his first language wasn't the problem |
| 16:02.08 | Cairenn | and he very obviously knows enough English, if you consider his last sentence |
| 16:03.37 | Kindari | yea |
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| 16:06.43 | Cairenn | yo Inny! :) |
| 16:07.17 | Inokis | trying to get the dang expansion installed it keeps failing |
| 16:07.27 | Cairenn | o.O |
| 16:07.53 | Inokis | i swear wow is the pickiest application. |
| 16:08.30 | Cairenn | okay, who remembers purl's translate syntax? |
| 16:08.59 | Inokis | you can program now? |
| 16:09.22 | Cairenn | lol, no |
| 16:09.26 | Cairenn | purl is the channel bot |
| 16:09.34 | Cairenn | purl, hug Inokis |
| 16:09.36 | purl | ACTION hugs Inokis tightly until Inokis turns slightly blue |
| 16:09.59 | Inokis | ahh thought you were referring to perl ie web language for form handling etd |
| 16:10.01 | Inokis | etc |
| 16:10.16 | Cairenn | we just had someone in here that was speaking Italian, and I'm trying to remember the syntax to get purl to translate to English is all |
| 16:10.27 | Cairenn | heh, nope, that's perl, not purl ;) |
| 16:10.46 | Kindari | i just wish i knew what the hell i was doing in this xml file haha |
| 16:10.47 | Inokis | wow thats a strong bot to be able to do all that...i know but i read through typos |
| 16:11.19 | Cairenn | so what are you doing that is making the expansion upgrade fail? *bets it's all Inny's fault!* |
| 16:11.33 | nevcairiel | ~x it en questo lo capisci? |
| 16:11.36 | nevcairiel | hm |
| 16:11.44 | Inokis | kindari, wow xml is an entity of its own you can have well formed xml but it still won't display in the game if its not nested perfectly in the correct fram/layer |
| 16:11.45 | Cairenn | ahhh, thanks nevcairiel :) |
| 16:11.45 | nevcairiel | ah works |
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| 16:11.59 | Cairenn | ~x it en allora calloneddu vi muovete a rispondermi madonna ladra |
| 16:12.19 | JoshBorke | purl, hug Cairenn |
| 16:12.20 | purl | ACTION jumps into Cairenn's lap and huggles and *hugs* Cairenn |
| 16:12.20 | Inokis | sounds more like elvish than italian |
| 16:12.21 | Cairenn | heh, okay, that isn't going to work well at all |
| 16:12.31 | Cairenn | morning JoshBorke :) |
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| 16:12.34 | Kindari | yea, it seems like you have to put in the same thing 50 times, i'm just still learning that and lua |
| 16:12.39 | Cairenn | purl, hug JoshBorke |
| 16:12.41 | purl | ACTION hugs JoshBorke tightly until JoshBorke turns slightly blue |
| 16:12.41 | JoshBorke | morning :) |
| 16:12.47 | Cairenn | purl, hug cladhaire |
| 16:12.50 | purl | ACTION hugs cladhaire |
| 16:13.11 | nevcairiel | what is dungeon 3 now? |
| 16:13.17 | cladhaire | morning |
| 16:13.18 | nevcairiel | the 70ish set? |
| 16:13.18 | Inokis | kindari, something i learned yesterday buttons are a form of frames... i couldn't figure out wth i was doing wrong until i realized i was trying to nest the button in a layer...it has to be placed as a frame |
| 16:13.21 | JoshBorke | 5 piece set |
| 16:13.26 | JoshBorke | 70ish yea |
| 16:14.28 | Kindari | hmm |
| 16:14.28 | nevcairiel | i got all 5 pieces, but the druid set sucks :( |
| 16:14.28 | nevcairiel | only wearing one |
| 16:14.32 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 16:14.45 | zenzelezz | which piece do you use? |
| 16:14.49 | Inokis | brb gonna do a complete drive check still saying some dranei file is corrupted on repair. |
| 16:14.49 | nevcairiel | chest |
| 16:14.51 | nevcairiel | right now |
| 16:14.54 | nevcairiel | didnt get any better |
| 16:15.01 | zenzelezz | my guildies seem to like the hat |
| 16:16.01 | nevcairiel | the hat would be quite good with a real good meta gem |
| 16:16.06 | nevcairiel | but that wasnt worth it for me |
| 16:16.13 | nevcairiel | t4 isnt too far away |
| 16:24.48 | JoshBorke | yea, T4 looks to be decently easy to get (easier than T1 was) |
| 16:25.27 | zenzelezz | really? How/where do you get T4? |
| 16:25.35 | JoshBorke | karazhan |
| 16:25.36 | nevcairiel | karazhan |
| 16:25.38 | JoshBorke | gruul's lair |
| 16:25.48 | zenzelezz | oh, I thought it would be just 25-mans |
| 16:25.48 | nevcairiel | karazhan is pretty easy |
| 16:25.55 | nevcairiel | we cleared everything except nightbane so far |
| 16:25.58 | JoshBorke | nope |
| 16:26.01 | JoshBorke | nice |
| 16:26.05 | JoshBorke | my guild just stepped in yesterday |
| 16:26.10 | JoshBorke | only got 2 attempts on the first boss |
| 16:26.27 | JoshBorke | how are you handling karazhan? do you run 2 groups? |
| 16:26.31 | zenzelezz | my guild just started Kharazan... took Attument, reached second boss, and the other MT's ISP decided he should go offline for two hours |
| 16:26.52 | zenzelezz | *Attumen |
| 16:28.04 | JoshBorke | priests dungeon damage set is sooo geared toward shadow priests it's not fair =/ |
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| 16:31.18 | Arrowmaster | is there any purpose to going up the stairs next to the blacksmith? |
| 16:33.24 | nevcairiel | yeah shortcut |
| 16:34.40 | Arrowmaster | to Moroes? |
| 16:34.47 | Arrowmaster | because it didnt seem like a shortcut at all |
| 16:43.59 | Kindari | OK so.... i want to add an element to the player frame, can I make a graphic and have it display ? I'm trying to recreate an old xp bar mod that i can't find any more |
| 16:44.19 | cladhaire | you mean you want gypsy? =) |
| 16:44.39 | cladhaire | cause its been updated |
| 16:44.48 | Kindari | oh lol - yea something like that |
| 16:45.01 | Kindari | except i don't want it to expand so wide |
| 16:45.16 | cladhaire | fair enough |
| 16:45.18 | cladhaire | thats how you do it tho |
| 16:46.00 | Kindari | lol so depressing, i spend the time to figure it out, and find that it already exists |
| 16:48.38 | Kindari | i'm trying to do something like waht i think cosmos does, provides an interface to configure your mods in one window (for the most part) |
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| 16:55.56 | Benjamin | wonder if anyone could help me with a noob question about events |
| 16:57.34 | Benjamin | I have used events in the past but i have never needed to use the arg's that the event contains (like the CHAT_MSG_ADDON event) how do i extract what was sent to me? |
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| 17:09.18 | cladhaire | ~devtools |
| 17:09.21 | purl | i heard devtools is Iriel's DevTools, a highly useful set of debugging tools for developers on WoW. Found at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=3999 Why isn't it in the default client yet?, or found at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?s=&id=5415 for the beta |
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| 17:32.09 | Inokis | i'm beginning to think I have a bad disk |
| 17:32.27 | Inokis | no matter what i do, the mpqs on disk 4 have errors |
| 17:32.56 | scotepi | download the game from FP |
| 17:33.20 | scotepi | or bt |
| 17:33.21 | Benjamin | or from blizz directly |
| 17:33.23 | Inokis | they have the entire bc compilation? |
| 17:33.34 | scotepi | FP doesnt, bliz does |
| 17:33.51 | Inokis | so uninstall, and just download the entire game via the site? |
| 17:34.26 | scotepi | i know bliz has BC, not sure about origonal |
| 17:34.31 | scotepi | i know FP has origonal |
| 17:35.00 | Inokis | i'll install the original, thats not the problem, bc disk 4 has an error in the expansion mpq so i'll try the blizz route |
| 17:35.12 | scotepi | then download it from bliz |
| 17:35.17 | scotepi | its on the account page |
| 17:35.17 | Inokis | i will thx |
| 17:35.41 | scotepi | once you get it installed back up the install folder, you dont need to "install" wow, drag and drop works fine |
| 17:37.12 | Inokis | I used to do that but i've been having problems with my backup drive i need to get a new one |
| 17:37.44 | scotepi | <3 my 500g LaCie |
| 17:37.47 | Inokis | plus i've only been playing maybe a month now |
| 17:38.19 | scotepi | is it posable to find out how big a array is? in bytes or whatever |
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| 18:01.39 | |FF|Im2good4u | does any1 know any new legendairy items that got added in BC ? |
| 18:01.51 | nevcairiel | not yet |
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| 18:15.46 | sysrage | god damn i'd give my left nut for them to fix the damn pet window |
| 18:16.06 | Sixen | I definately would not. |
| 18:16.18 | Sixen | I'm going to be needing both of those big guys, =]. |
| 18:23.44 | Thunder_Child | well thoes not willing to give up body parts to fix problems do not diserve it. |
| 18:30.47 | Sixen | o_o |
| 18:30.55 | Sixen | I'd give an ear... |
| 18:30.56 | Sixen | Or two.. |
| 18:30.57 | Sixen | :) |
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| 18:44.28 | Benjamin | is it possible to access the save varaibles of one addon from another addon dependent on the first one if so how? |
| 18:48.03 | zenzelezz | such patience |
| 18:50.48 | nevcairiel | heh |
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| 18:51.10 | Mikma | riiight |
| 18:51.51 | |FF|Im2good4u | lol indeed |
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| 18:52.43 | Inokis^ | I must be bugged or something |
| 18:53.33 | Inokis^ | is there a way to kick my normal nick off the server? |
| 18:53.33 | Inokis^ | maybe that did it |
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| 18:55.07 | Inokis | This game download is gonna take awhile, i hate the blizz downloader |
| 18:55.31 | Inokis | if it was a consistent connection that would be nice |
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| 19:09.36 | Sixen | How do you change the color of an Added Message? |
| 19:09.41 | Sixen | :o |
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| 19:25.53 | |FF|Im2good4u | Sixen well u can prefix it whit the color tag |cFFFF0000LoL |
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| 19:29.10 | |FF|Im2good4u | the other way is to change the color of the message type, i know there is a "how to" totural on wowwiki but i havent read it yet |
| 19:33.58 | Sixen | Yeah, I found a way of doing it, of course, it'll take forever to figure out the colors. |
| 19:34.34 | Sixen | If I prefixed it with the color tag, how would that look? |
| 19:34.54 | Sixen | DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("hi"); |
| 19:36.07 | Elkano | DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("|cffff0000hi|r"); (|caarrggbb where aa is alpha and rgb are RGB colors in hex; |r resets color to default) |
| 19:37.13 | Xuerian | That, and it's insanely easy to generate the colors in your own head |
| 19:40.01 | Sixen | That way it is. |
| 19:40.04 | Sixen | Thanks Elk |
| 19:40.39 | Elkano | you're welcome |
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| 19:50.50 | Xuerian | Hm... Has recap been ported to 2.0? |
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| 20:34.03 | scotepi | sysrage: you still there? |
| 20:35.22 | scotepi | i wrote this a while ago to fix pet frames and part frames not showing right, sometimes just show doesnt work for pets so i hide/show http://wowi.pastey.net/6453 |
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| 21:35.56 | Inokis | well instead of downloading for 6 more hours, I went to the store, exchanged it and it installed fine, it was definitely a problem with the disk 4 |
| 21:44.33 | nevcairiel | there wouldnt be anyone here who killed gruul already, would there ? :D |
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| 21:56.28 | sysrage | scotepi: thanks i'll try it |
| 21:57.05 | sysrage | where would i put that? i'm a scripting noob |
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| 21:59.20 | badtvman | hey guys, would it be possible to change the defualt WOW targeting icons, IE Skull, Star etc? im not sure how it would be possible to use my own texture files in a mod. can someone give me a kick in the right direction plz |
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| 22:05.45 | sysrage | anybody know where i can put that code scotepi pasted? |
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| 22:18.10 | Osagasu | Hn. |
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| 22:29.05 | Tain | Funky optical illusion. http://homepages.ucalgary.ca/~tannerr/illusion1.html Click on the image for instructions. |
| 22:29.21 | Tain | (No that's not a trick link to something bad. Just was interesting to me.) |
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| 22:30.04 | nevcairiel | thats great :) |
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| 22:47.42 | Osagasu | Okay... I've disabled all addons I've changed but three, which are the ones that it says are causing the error. However, when I search (thoroughly) for the code (TargetOfTargetFrame:Show) that it says they're calling that's blocked... I can't find it at all. |
| 22:48.03 | Xuerian | Itemrack still does that for me. |
| 22:48.54 | Osagasu | When the addons are turned off, nothing. When I disable all but one, I still get the error, and that works for all three. |
| 22:49.38 | Xuerian | Which addons? |
| 22:50.26 | Osagasu | Khaos, Archaeologist (both standalone versions), and vBagnon. The thi |
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| 22:52.37 | Osagasu | I'm looking for known bugs for them, but no luck with that |
| 22:55.08 | Osagasu | Oh well. I have a history of bugging AL with useless stuff so I won't do that again. I'll just see about replacing them and seeing if that helps |
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| 22:57.38 | Tokter | I have a question regaring secure state headers, I try to toggle a frames visibility, but it only works out of combat, and feedback would be appreciated. Here's the code: http://wowi.pastey.net/6457 |
| 23:00.40 | Tokter | nm, found it lol |
| 23:02.42 | Osagasu | Yep, it wasn't Archaeologist. I have no idea what it is, but it's driving the addon I just got to test replacing it buggy. |
| 23:13.42 | Thrae | What's a good item database to go along with Auctioneer? |
| 23:17.20 | Arrowmaster | Osagasu: none of the addons will actually call TargetOfTargetFrame:Show() but WoW thinks they are responsible for tainting that function when it gets called, youve got a tainting problem which could be hard to trackdown or already known about |
| 23:18.44 | Osagasu | Yeah, I know. |
| 23:19.04 | Osagasu | The problem is which addon? I'm going through now and disabling addons one by one. |
| 23:20.55 | Osagasu | And why isn't it tainting when I don't have these specific addons loaded |
| 23:23.34 | Osagasu | ...and all I have left is those particular addons. T_T |
| 23:30.30 | Tain | Fun desserts! http://gizmodo.com/photogallery/techcake/ |
| 23:38.03 | *** join/#wowi-lounge haste (n=haste@host-81-191-131-80.bluecom.no) |
| 23:46.33 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Malivil (n=YouCanCa@209-6-253-11.c3-0.frm-ubr2.sbo-frm.ma.cable.rcn.com) |
| 23:51.23 | Osagasu | Uhh... |
| 23:58.50 | Osagasu | Okay, I'm officially an idiot. |
| 23:59.06 | Cairenn|afk | no comment |
| 23:59.47 | Osagasu | The tainting was coming from a debugging addon I was using. o.O |
