| 00:00.03 | cogwheel|work | the server doesn't tell you your trade skills until you open one |
| 00:00.06 | Grem_Warsong | But the recipe window populates so fast, that it seems like you arent receiving any packets from Blizzard |
| 00:00.35 | zenzelezz | the server can get away with just sending the names/IDs |
| 00:00.53 | zenzelezz | then the client can query the details when you click them... don't know if it does of course |
| 00:00.54 | Karrion | Grem_Warsong: maybe for you, it takes a good second or two to populate for me >.< |
| 00:01.08 | cogwheel|work | delete your cache folder and see how long it takes :P |
| 00:01.17 | Grem_Warsong | Okay, so my question is, now that I have the tradeskill data from the server, how can I change between my Blacksmithing and Alchemy tradeskills without casting the 'spell' again? |
| 00:01.47 | cogwheel|work | Pretty sure you don't... |
| 00:02.10 | Grem_Warsong | Really? =( |
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| 00:03.20 | cogwheel|work | Why is it a problem? Maybe there's something we're missing? |
| 00:03.27 | Grem_Warsong | I want to collect data about all my known recipes across various tradeskills without having the Tradeskill window pop up over and over again |
| 00:03.58 | cogwheel|work | So unregister the event that pops up the trade skill window and re-register it after you're done :) |
| 00:04.07 | cogwheel|work | then you just respond to the events on your own |
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| 00:05.51 | Grem_Warsong | Okay |
| 00:05.55 | Grem_Warsong | Ill try that, thanks =) |
| 00:08.52 | Grem_Warsong | is Curse-Gaming downloads not working? |
| 00:09.28 | cogwheel|work | CG seems to be going through some changes atm... I kept getting server errors about an hour ago |
| 00:09.37 | Grem_Warsong | Gotcha |
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| 00:10.27 | cogwheel|work | ckknight: Coding Tips might want to be merged with the UI Best Practices that I started on wowwiki already |
| 00:10.36 | ckknight | right. |
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| 00:15.03 | Tierrie|Work | that swords and sandals game is pretty addictive |
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| 00:21.10 | Osagasu | I hate alliance. I don't know why I stayt as one |
| 00:22.25 | ckknight | reroll! |
| 00:24.11 | Osagasu | Oh, I have. I have a 60 shaman and a 70 mage on the same server, one horde, one alliance. |
| 00:24.35 | Osagasu | I enjoy end-game mage, but I guess i'm just not masochist enough to level another |
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| 00:31.56 | Nom- | Alliance ftl |
| 00:32.21 | Nom- | yay, i get GBoW tonight :D |
| 00:32.30 | Nom- | And HL R8 |
| 00:32.52 | zenzelezz | what's so bad about alliance? |
| 00:33.11 | Nom- | They're scum! :D |
| 00:33.36 | Nom- | I mean...I go out of my way NOT to gank alliance lowbies when they're grinding |
| 00:33.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't have a preference, both sides are about the same to me |
| 00:33.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | you may not but plenty of others do |
| 00:33.50 | Nom- | Only to be repaid with a one-shot from a 70 shadow mage |
| 00:34.21 | Nom- | And i'd just hate to be on the alliance side |
| 00:34.27 | Nom- | Waiting 2 hours for a BG FTL |
| 00:34.45 | Shadowed | Nom- what are you talking about |
| 00:35.00 | Shadowed | 2 hour wait for BGs hasn't happened since around 1.9 when multi queues were interduced |
| 00:35.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | AV is 2 hours for us |
| 00:35.27 | Shadowed | also, 2 hour BG queues was actually better in the old BG system, can you imagine grinding to HWL on Horde? You're PvPing 24/7, you never really have any time to eat lunch and such |
| 00:35.49 | Shadowed | much much easier to burnout as horde then alliance back then |
| 00:35.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | wsg and ab were 30 mins or so |
| 00:36.01 | Nom- | Yah... |
| 00:36.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | not really shadowed, waiting in line is worse than fighting nonstop :/ |
| 00:36.12 | Shadowed | not really |
| 00:36.13 | Nom- | I don't think i've waited more than 5 minutes for a BG since hitting 60 on my Mage |
| 00:36.25 | Shadowed | i've done the grind and i know a lot of people who have :p |
| 00:36.28 | Nom- | It really sucks for the horde actually |
| 00:36.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | i dunno what our queues are like right now |
| 00:36.41 | Shadowed | when you're waiting 30-60 minutes the advantage is you can go get a drink, shower, do homework, ect |
| 00:36.41 | Nom- | Because bored alliance gank people in towns while waiting for BGs |
| 00:36.49 | Shadowed | haha yeah |
| 00:36.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | but pre bc it was 2 hours for AV, 30 mins for ab/wsg |
| 00:37.09 | Shadowed | back before battle masters were in cities and it was only WSG i'd visit horde all the time |
| 00:37.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | it probably won't be much different now |
| 00:37.22 | Nom- | Acerage wait for me on those was like 2 minutes, 15 seconds |
| 00:37.23 | Shadowed | I got 4 DHK's because I used the MC cap on the elites and killed a few horde and civilians |
| 00:37.27 | Nom- | *average |
| 00:37.37 | WobWork | Tierrie|Work: What sword/sandals game? |
| 00:38.20 | Shadowed | those were the days! |
| 00:38.33 | Nom- | I got to level 53.75 last night |
| 00:38.37 | Nom- | So going to hit 54 tonight :) |
| 00:38.51 | Nom- | I'm enjoying this grind on my pally so much |
| 00:39.14 | Nom- | There's some serious twinks on the Alliance side tho |
| 00:39.25 | Nom- | At level 32 I was ganked by a level 29 shaman who had like 3.5K mana |
| 00:39.37 | Nom- | back then I had like 1200 :/ |
| 00:41.26 | Shadowed | twinks are everywhere :p |
| 00:41.45 | Shadowed | It's going to be funny to see the 30-39 and 40-49 twinks with the new TBC enchants |
| 00:42.24 | Shadowed | Oh also, does anyone know if using a tostring on a frame is a "valid" way of making a unique string that you can use to identify? |
| 00:42.44 | sysrage | thought the new enchants had a min level? |
| 00:42.47 | Tierrie|Work | http://www.swordsandsandals.com/play |
| 00:42.54 | Shadowed | they do, of 35 |
| 00:42.58 | sysrage | ah |
| 00:43.38 | Shadowed | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=34002 |
| 00:44.57 | zenzelezz | not all new stuff has level reqs |
| 00:45.36 | zenzelezz | stuff like the clefthoof thing (30 sta, 10 agi) requires you to be level 60 to use... but you can use it on a BoE item and transfer it to a lowbie |
| 00:46.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | the other armor kits were based on the item's level iirc |
| 00:46.26 | cladhaire | aye they all were |
| 00:46.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | been a while since i made em though |
| 00:48.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | ah 5 whole stacks of arcane dust |
| 00:48.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | that should last me... about 10 levels in enchanting :[ |
| 00:49.19 | Nom- | lol yup |
| 00:51.45 | Tierrie|Work | annnnd the game ends after i get chopped into little bits |
| 00:52.45 | Nom- | Does anyone have a link with all the info on the BE Pally mount quest? |
| 00:52.55 | Nom- | I need to start keeping an eye out for the mats now methinks |
| 00:55.04 | cladhaire | Anyone here use Cirk's Targetz |
| 00:55.04 | cladhaire | ? |
| 00:55.43 | Shadowed | I can pretend I do if you want |
| 00:56.21 | Nom- | hey cladhaire |
| 00:56.26 | cladhaire | hiu |
| 00:56.27 | Nom- | LOVE the changes you made to PerfectRaid :) |
| 00:56.55 | cladhaire | lolo there haven't been any in a while. |
| 00:56.56 | Nom- | I just had a look at the options screen last night for the first time since r85 (i think it is) came out |
| 00:56.59 | Nom- | freakin awesome :) |
| 00:57.17 | Nom- | I've not been raiding, so didn't get a chance to see it :) |
| 01:00.57 | cladhaire | heh thanks. |
| 01:01.21 | Shadowed | how fun |
| 01:01.37 | Shadowed | so has anyone done a battleground and has had two people with the same name/faction in it at the same time? |
| 01:01.57 | jaxdahl | stukc on authenticating? |
| 01:02.09 | Shadowed | but from different servers of course |
| 01:02.12 | jaxdahl | or is it just me? |
| 01:02.18 | Shadowed | nope fine here |
| 01:02.52 | jaxdahl | took 3 tries |
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| 01:05.40 | kergoth | anyone know what the priest racial spells are for blood elf? their equivalent to devouring plague and desperate prayer and stuff |
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| 01:07.36 | Cairenn | purl, hug JoshBorke |
| 01:07.38 | purl | ACTION hugs JoshBorke tightly until JoshBorke turns slightly blue |
| 01:07.43 | JoshBorke | purl, counter hug Cairenn |
| 01:07.48 | Cairenn | lol |
| 01:08.40 | JoshBorke | hola :-) |
| 01:09.00 | Nom- | yay got all the pally mount info |
| 01:09.14 | Nom- | I wonder if there's any reuseable parts |
| 01:09.46 | JoshBorke | don't think so |
| 01:10.10 | Nom- | Warlocks get it so easy in that regards :( |
| 01:10.15 | JoshBorke | i need to stop playing wow so much, it's starting to affect my life :-/ |
| 01:10.30 | Nom- | omg you have a life? |
| 01:11.12 | JoshBorke | :-( |
| 01:12.33 | WobWork | oh man |
| 01:12.39 | WobWork | those thinkcentres are ... cute |
| 01:12.54 | WobWork | The ultrasmall form factor is really nifty |
| 01:13.11 | WobWork | Kind of like the chinese puzzle boxes =P |
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| 01:23.51 | JoshBorke | o.O |
| 01:24.20 | Cairenn | oi, Antiar! |
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| 01:26.37 | JoshBorke | oh my |
| 01:27.57 | Cairenn | Antiarc, wake up and kill your machine |
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| 01:28.05 | Cairenn | it's having a heart attack |
| 01:28.12 | Cairenn | good lord |
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| 01:29.19 | WobWork | Antiarc == tribble |
| 01:29.34 | Cairenn | unfortunately for him, no |
| 01:29.43 | Cairenn | tribbles are cute and I wouldn't kick them ;) |
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| 01:33.41 | Nom- | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbjzLGKrgSY <-- he got pwned |
| 01:37.48 | Cairenn | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=63167579&sid=1&pageNo=6#116 |
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| 01:41.54 | Karrion | ooo nice |
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| 01:59.44 | JoshBorke | erm, cladhaire, no way i can get you 800x600 mendwatch in action :-P |
| 02:04.14 | Nom- | OMG Futurama is getting relaunched |
| 02:04.19 | Nom- | That's the best news i've heard this year |
| 02:05.38 | WobWork | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:05.39 | WobWork | [error.forumNotReady] =( |
| 02:05.56 | WobWork | irt Cair's link |
| 02:06.28 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:06.28 | Cairenn | e.g. |
| 02:06.28 | Cairenn | #show [stealth] Sap; Vanish |
| 02:06.28 | Cairenn | The feedback for /use with a slot will also show the correct item in the given slot |
| 02:06.28 | Cairenn | e.g. |
| 02:06.30 | Cairenn | (first trinket slot) |
| 02:06.32 | Cairenn | /use 13 |
| 02:06.34 | Cairenn | (top left backback slot) |
| 02:06.36 | Cairenn | /use 0 1 |
| 02:06.40 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:06.43 | Cairenn | e.g. |
| 02:06.45 | Cairenn | #showtooltip |
| 02:06.47 | Cairenn | /use [flyable] Swift Green Windrider; Fiery Warhorse's Reins |
| 02:08.57 | JoshBorke | oh that's hot |
| 02:09.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | :O |
| 02:09.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | [flyable] is new too? :O |
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| 02:10.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | will /say work with conditionals now too? |
| 02:10.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | cause that always bugged me |
| 02:11.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | i can't /say [help,dead] Resurrecting %t! |
| 02:18.56 | cladhaire | Mr_Rabies: You can stopmacro if help,dead isn't true tho |
| 02:18.58 | cladhaire | just takes more =) |
| 02:19.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | hrm |
| 02:20.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | so how would i make it say i'm innervating someone if my target is friend and alive, and res them otherwise? |
| 02:20.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | and say that i am |
| 02:21.28 | cladhaire | Josh_Borke: Whatever res is fine then |
| 02:21.37 | cladhaire | that you can't do in one macro =) |
| 02:23.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | i could if say worked with conditionals :[ |
| 02:25.03 | JoshBorke | use /stopmacro |
| 02:25.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | in what manner |
| 02:25.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | seems like it could only do one /say or another with stopmacro |
| 02:26.14 | JoshBorke | ah, yea, you can only have one /say |
| 02:26.17 | cladhaire | =) |
| 02:26.20 | cladhaire | smartass |
| 02:26.23 | cladhaire | <3 |
| 02:26.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | i want it to work with conditionals dammit :[ |
| 02:26.45 | cladhaire | so ask for it =) |
| 02:26.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | /slap slouken |
| 02:26.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | i would but the forums are like on fire |
| 02:27.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | An error was encountered while processing your request |
| 02:27.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | [error.forumNotReady] |
| 02:28.09 | cladhaire | [error |
| 02:28.16 | cladhaire | zomg. |
| 02:28.17 | cladhaire | i hate errors. |
| 02:28.21 | cladhaire | i'm never gonna get to sleep tonight |
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| 02:30.39 | WobWork | sob |
| 02:30.52 | WobWork | every time my workmate finds something odd, she says "How bizzare!" |
| 02:30.54 | WobWork | ... |
| 02:31.00 | WobWork | and I get that song stuck in my head =( |
| 02:31.26 | WobWork | damn you music suggestibility, damn you =( |
| 02:32.24 | Tierrie|Work | its pretty scary how addicting a stupid game like swordsandsandals is |
| 02:32.26 | Tierrie|Work | its like progressquest |
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| 02:38.44 | Nom- | hehehe |
| 02:40.57 | Nom- | ooh, baby |
| 02:41.01 | Nom- | It's making me crazy |
| 02:41.07 | Nom- | everytime i look around |
| 02:41.13 | Nom- | everytime i look around |
| 02:41.16 | Nom- | it's in my face |
| 02:41.21 | Nom- | *sings* |
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| 02:44.54 | Nom- | woot |
| 02:45.08 | Nom- | Good Charlotte on |
| 02:45.12 | Nom- | It's been a while :P |
| 02:45.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | no. |
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| 02:50.20 | Shadowed | kaso|: I take it you don't have any plans on releasing a mod to configure nameplates? |
| 02:50.43 | tedrock | umm is this right /cast [modifier:ctrl] Earth Shock (Rank 1); Earth Shock |
| 02:50.56 | tedrock | if i hold ctrl it shoudl cast rank 1 earth shock right? |
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| 02:51.42 | tedrock | or am messing up on something |
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| 02:55.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | looks right to me |
| 02:56.04 | tedrock | weird |
| 02:56.38 | tedrock | when i do CTRL nothing happens |
| 02:57.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | try doing just |
| 02:57.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | /cast [modifier:ctrl] Earth Shock (Rank 1); |
| 02:57.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | see if that works |
| 02:57.55 | Zicon | It should be "Earth Shock(Rank 1)" |
| 02:57.56 | Zicon | No space. |
| 02:58.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh yeah |
| 02:58.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's right |
| 02:58.43 | tedrock | nothin happens |
| 02:58.45 | tedrock | ahhhh |
| 02:59.00 | tedrock | that fixed it. the damn space |
| 03:02.11 | Shadowed | cladhaire: What happens if a frame is registered for Clique but GetAttribute( "unit" ) returns nil? |
| 03:02.15 | Shadowed | can it handle it, or will it error |
| 03:02.37 | cladhaire | it just won't work.. it just blindly registers its attribtues. |
| 03:02.51 | cladhaire | it would act the same as a blizzard button without a unit attribute =) |
| 03:02.56 | Shadowed | alright |
| 03:04.06 | Shadowed | annnd any issues with basically calling ClickCastFrames[ frame ] = true for the same frame every second or so? :p |
| 03:04.17 | Shadowed | as in, will Clique try to process it or does it check if it's registered and do nothing first |
| 03:05.35 | cladhaire | good question |
| 03:05.39 | cladhaire | i think it would be very very expensive. |
| 03:06.03 | Shadowed | Alright |
| 03:06.46 | Shadowed | i'd imagine this will be very expensive already! lot of processing to do |
| 03:07.04 | cladhaire | well it would be very bad in clique at the moment |
| 03:07.10 | cladhaire | lemme look |
| 03:07.23 | Shadowed | It's no big deal, I can very easly flag the frame to not make it attempt to re-register |
| 03:07.29 | ckknight | cladhaire: it shouldn't be, seeing as __newindex is only called the first time |
| 03:07.46 | ckknight | any subsequent times just do it raw |
| 03:07.48 | cladhaire | no |
| 03:07.56 | ckknight | do you have it done by proxy? |
| 03:07.59 | cladhaire | that's now how mine works.. since we need to catch niling out. |
| 03:08.00 | cladhaire | aye. |
| 03:08.07 | ckknight | ah. |
| 03:08.11 | cladhaire | i can handle it in Clique:RegisterFrame easily |
| 03:08.18 | cladhaire | just I'm not at the moment |
| 03:08.26 | kaso| | Shadowed nope |
| 03:08.28 | ckknight | well, I'd've made it so that you check if it's already been registered |
| 03:08.30 | Shadowed | kaso| good! |
| 03:08.46 | cladhaire | ckknight: so would i, it just hasn't come up yet =) |
| 03:09.03 | Shadowed | I can't think of any case where you'd be registering it so much anyway |
| 03:09.07 | Shadowed | well, common case |
| 03:09.30 | cladhaire | Shadowed: You wouldn't be.. that's why I didn't cover it, in case it was necessary for some reason to do it |
| 03:09.40 | cladhaire | but that was a leftover from when it wasn't by proxy |
| 03:09.43 | cladhaire | now that we can unregister it makes sense overall |
| 03:09.46 | Shadowed | ahhh |
| 03:12.15 | Shadowed | so out of curiosity, whats more expensive. if( ConfigurationUpdated ) then ConfigurationUpdated = nil; end or ConfigurationUpdated = nil;? |
| 03:12.27 | Shadowed | i'm guessing it's the first one |
| 03:13.06 | Tierrie|Work | Have you guys heard that Eminem Ragtime remix? :) |
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| 03:29.58 | Shadowed | how fun. Anyone know how to convert an rpg like { r = 0.9999, g = 0.99333, b = 0 } to { r = 1, g = 1, b = 0 }, without however turning something like { r = 0.85, g = 1, b = 0 } into it? |
| 03:30.07 | Shadowed | rgb even |
| 03:30.25 | WobWork | round? |
| 03:31.15 | Shadowed | math.floor( 0.999 + 0.5 ) and math.floor( 0.85 + 0.5 ) both return 1 |
| 03:31.23 | Shadowed | It' |
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| 03:31.50 | Shadowed | It's dealing with a GetColor call and I need to convert the fact that it turns 1 into 0.99999999999999 without catching "real" numbers like 0.85 |
| 03:32.42 | Shadowed | I suppose I could try something more like math.floor( 0.999 + 0.001 ) |
| 03:32.47 | WobWork | function round (n,shift) shift = 10^shift return math.floor ((n*shift)+0.5)/shift end |
| 03:32.58 | WobWork | round to a certain number of places |
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| 03:33.38 | WobWork | round (50.234, 1) -> 50.2 round (1234.98765, -2) -> 1200 |
| 03:33.51 | Thrae | Shadowed: if n+0.000000001 == 1 then n=1 end |
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| 03:35.13 | Shadowed | perfect, thanks. |
| 03:35.15 | Thrae | Wait |
| 03:35.33 | Thrae | if n < 1 and n+0.000001 >= 1 then n=1 end |
| 03:36.16 | Shadowed | The number it returns is 0.99999779462814, so 0.000001 is still <1 :( |
| 03:36.39 | Thrae | if n < 1 and n+0.001 >= 1 then n=1 end |
| 03:38.00 | Shadowed | alright thanks |
| 03:40.58 | SCalimlim | i was thinking about making this mod, but want to make sure it's possible first: |
| 03:41.10 | SCalimlim | detect when you are flying, and when you are, display a mini outlands map |
| 03:42.01 | cladhaire | nice =) |
| 03:42.01 | beerke | possible |
| 03:42.01 | Shadowed | yes it is possible |
| 03:42.01 | Thrae | Shadowed: Actually, unless pil has bad wording, it says math.ceil only returns integers |
| 03:42.01 | SCalimlim | ok neat |
| 03:42.01 | cladhaire | wtb |
| 03:42.01 | Shadowed | wow, 3 responses in the same second |
| 03:42.02 | Thrae | SCalimlim: IsFlying() new function |
| 03:42.02 | cladhaire | math.ceil only returns integers, same as math.floor |
| 03:42.03 | cladhaire | you need to make your own rounding function if you needdifferent precision |
| 03:42.05 | SCalimlim | and i should have no problem resizing the map right? |
| 03:42.21 | beerke | well if it returns int |
| 03:42.24 | SCalimlim | np if you don't know, ill begin playing with it now |
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| 03:42.36 | beerke | and you want 2 decimals you can x100 and divide by 100 after |
| 03:42.41 | Shadowed | Thrae: I only need to know two things, is it 1 or 0, any number between that I don't care about |
| 03:43.12 | Shadowed | detecting what the nameplate is displaying, so get to go off colors! |
| 03:43.13 | Thrae | Shadowed: But in your case, 0.999999999~ is equivilent to 1? |
| 03:43.22 | Shadowed | Thrae thats what Blizzard does |
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| 03:43.56 | Thrae | Yeah, then what I said before should be sufficient |
| 03:45.14 | Shadowed | I'm not sure why, but when you do SetStatusBarColor( 1, 1, 1 ) and then GetStatusBarColor() after you'll get 0.99999779462814 everytime...I suppose I could just check if it's 0.99999779462814 vs 1 |
| 03:46.15 | Tain | The new Mac vs PC commercial about Vista is funny to me. |
| 03:46.24 | Shadowed | Whats it about? |
| 03:46.37 | Tain | "Mac is offering you a salutation, Cancel or Allow?" |
| 03:46.45 | Shadowed | haha |
| 03:47.45 | Thrae | Integrated outbound firewall isn't a bad idea for a Windows machine. Of course a better solution would be for the user to just setup everything beforehand, but that's not possible for the computer illiterate. |
| 03:48.22 | Thrae | If Macs dominated the world, then we'd see Mac viruses being prevelent ;) |
| 03:48.46 | Shadowed | you have to admit, it's still a funny commercial :p |
| 03:49.28 | TC-Moo | http://movies.apple.com/movies/us/apple/getamac/apple-getamac-security_480x376.mov <http://movies.apple.com/movies/us/apple/getamac/apple-getamac-security_480x376.mov> |
| 03:49.50 | TC-Moo | thats it there |
| 03:49.55 | Thrae | Yeah, like when the PC guy says "I'm good for C++ programming..." Hey, the ease of C++ programming is a factor for ME! |
| 03:51.36 | Tain | "A C++ GUI Programming Guide! I've been eyeing that myself" |
| 03:52.02 | Shadowed | theonly issue I have with that commerical is they ignore the allow all factor |
| 03:52.11 | Tain | Not really. |
| 03:52.26 | Thrae | Yeah, and they say that like Mac users don't use C++ GUI Programing Guides ;) |
| 03:52.39 | Tain | He says you can disable it, but that it defeats the purpose of having security. |
| 03:53.02 | Shadowed | I haven't used the Vista firewall, but doesn't it have an option like allow once, allow always, deny? |
| 03:53.31 | Tain | Oh the firewall, maybe. But it's really the elevated user stuff they're talking about |
| 03:53.35 | Thrae | I still think the best one is where he's going into "Surgery" to get an upgrade for Vista. "If I don't come back Mac, you can have my peripherals..." |
| 03:53.44 | WobWork | awww |
| 03:53.48 | WobWork | Mac/PC OTP |
| 03:54.44 | Thrae | Of course, all the commericials are just pointing out "flaws" in the PC without actually saying anything about the Mac. The commericial's theme is "Mac -- We're not a PC." |
| 03:54.58 | Shadowed | thats enough for some people :p |
| 03:55.03 | WobWork | well that's certainly true |
| 03:55.22 | WobWork | Then again it's "I'm a mac. I can't run the applications you're used to." |
| 03:56.08 | cladhaire | it can run WoW |
| 03:56.09 | cladhaire | =) |
| 03:56.12 | cladhaire | and all my unix applications |
| 03:56.15 | cladhaire | == teh win |
| 03:56.45 | Nom- | Except there's way too many apps that are only available on Windows :( |
| 03:56.48 | WobWork | yeah =( |
| 03:56.52 | Nom- | I wish people would use the open source programming software so you could build them on all platforms |
| 03:56.53 | WobWork | well |
| 03:56.55 | Shadowed | windows will always be the gaming machine regardless |
| 03:56.57 | WobWork | that's what Wine is for |
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| 03:57.10 | SCalimlim | i doubt wine will ever support dx10 |
| 03:57.16 | WobWork | =( |
| 03:57.19 | Shadowed | Whys that? |
| 03:57.20 | Nom- | Don't be so sure |
| 03:58.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | hrm |
| 03:58.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | mobs are getting dim returns applied :O |
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| 03:58.51 | SCalimlim | Shadowed: i'm not sure why, but i remember reading something about why it wasnt possible |
| 03:58.53 | SCalimlim | i could be wrong though |
| 03:59.17 | Tain | They're already working on dx10. |
| 03:59.28 | SCalimlim | ok, then im wrong |
| 04:00.22 | Thrae | I thought Vista included DX10? |
| 04:00.22 | SCalimlim | it does |
| 04:00.22 | SCalimlim | they are talking about DX10 on wine |
| 04:00.22 | Thrae | a |
| 04:00.22 | Tain | And the funny part is if they get it working the way they're planning it will mean pretty platform independant support. Including DX10 on older versions of Windows. |
| 04:01.05 | SCalimlim | i doubt ms will be very happy about that ;-p |
| 04:01.13 | Tain | Also, fuck Lost. I was giving them a chance wih the season picking up again and this episode sucked. |
| 04:05.45 | cladhaire | Tain: I just hope Heroes learns from Lost.. i keep hearing everyone say the same thing |
| 04:06.07 | Tain | Did you watch the last Heroes yet? |
| 04:06.26 | cladhaire | yes |
| 04:06.35 | cladhaire | i watch it an hour and a half after its on |
| 04:06.41 | cladhaire | cause .. that makes sense to ... someone |
| 04:07.02 | Tain | I missed it but it was pointed out to me afterwards, did you see Hiro's dad's license plate? |
| 04:07.17 | cladhaire | yeah |
| 04:07.23 | cladhaire | they have hi res ss on heroeswiki.com =) |
| 04:07.29 | Tain | hehe |
| 04:08.10 | Tain | I'm still in the giddy stages, I love everything they do. Well. Except Claire's father reveal. I mean I can't say it makes no sense, I just was hoping for someone else. |
| 04:08.20 | cladhaire | Tem was upset about it |
| 04:08.23 | cladhaire | he said it felt forced |
| 04:08.44 | cladhaire | I'm okay with it, but I'm very ... relaxed when it comes to watching a show or reading a book.. not much really upsets me. |
| 04:09.05 | Tain | Well I will give them the fact that they set it up a little bit by showing how he falls for hot blondes and isn't above a one night stand. |
| 04:09.12 | cladhaire | aye |
| 04:09.23 | Tain | I think it is mostly that I just don't like him. hah |
| 04:09.27 | Thrae | cladhaire: You know Tem IRL? |
| 04:09.40 | cladhaire | but this implies that SHE knows about his flying... or his power.. and he didn't ven seem to know. |
| 04:09.48 | cladhaire | Thrae: No, but we have enough random irl connections =) |
| 04:09.58 | Tem | very random indeed |
| 04:10.03 | cladhaire | heh |
| 04:10.05 | cladhaire | really just two |
| 04:10.07 | cladhaire | but still amusing. |
| 04:10.09 | Thrae | Heh. Just asking, as he rarely speaks on IRC anym-- |
| 04:10.23 | cladhaire | Is anyone going to Men's Big East in March? |
| 04:10.30 | cladhaire | If so, meet me in NYC and I'll buy you a beer |
| 04:10.42 | Tem | Thrae, I've been busy, and losing intrest in wow |
| 04:10.50 | Tain | I was thinking about the similarities between Sylar and Peter though. |
| 04:10.59 | Tem | Tain, not similar at all |
| 04:11.01 | cladhaire | Tain: Aye.. thats a fun place to experiment |
| 04:11.07 | cladhaire | Tem: I disagree.. plenty of similarities. |
| 04:11.09 | Tain | I forsee a big one on one fight between the two of them in the future, swapping off powers. |
| 04:11.10 | cladhaire | but i need to go to bed. |
| 04:11.17 | Tem | Peter is an empath |
| 04:11.21 | cladhaire | they're both just playing pokemon |
| 04:11.26 | cladhaire | gotta catch em all |
| 04:11.30 | cladhaire | <-- wins the thread. |
| 04:11.30 | Tem | Sylar steals abilities by taking apart brainns |
| 04:11.33 | Tain | I choose you, Claire! |
| 04:11.47 | Tem | well, it's time for me to go |
| 04:12.05 | Thrae | Tem: I'm getting bored too, but addons are different ;) |
| 04:12.05 | Tem | Tain, wrt to nathan, I hate him |
| 04:12.12 | Tem | aye, addons are fun |
| 04:12.27 | Tem | but I'm still playing musical operating systems |
| 04:12.44 | Tem | so I don't feel like sitting through a wow install |
| 04:12.47 | Tain | haha yeah well I can't say as I see anything in Nathan I like, at all. |
| 04:12.49 | Tem | takes so damn long |
| 04:13.15 | cladhaire | Oh yeah |
| 04:13.19 | cladhaire | speaking of winning threads |
| 04:13.27 | cladhaire | this is the probably the best post i've EVER seen on the forums: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=73339895&sid=1&pageNo=2 |
| 04:13.42 | Tain | That's pretty big words. |
| 04:14.04 | cladhaire | he wins at the internet. |
| 04:14.52 | cladhaire | night all |
| 04:15.01 | Tem | night guys |
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| 04:29.12 | WobWork | now |
| 04:29.25 | WobWork | if only it weren't written by a chap named Sephirogue =P |
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| 04:31.31 | tjs | woo, wow ppl on freenode |
| 04:31.33 | tjs | hello |
| 04:31.39 | WobWork | hullo |
| 04:31.42 | WobWork | There are a few of us |
| 04:31.47 | tjs | now I'm just mixing work & play ;) |
| 04:31.52 | Tain | Play Freebird! |
| 04:31.52 | tjs | oh well |
| 04:31.56 | WobWork | So am I =P |
| 04:32.11 | tjs | anyone from Khaz Goroth? |
| 04:32.42 | Tain | Is that in Mexico? |
| 04:33.29 | Shadowed | ~lart Tain |
| 04:34.15 | Tain | oh no not the kamehameha! |
| 04:35.54 | tjs | do people try to use wow wiki to campaign for game changes? |
| 04:36.05 | tjs | making pages about issues etc.? |
| 04:36.36 | Shadowed | no, wowwiki is basically a place to find information regarding stuff in-game, or making mods for it |
| 04:37.43 | tjs | ok |
| 04:38.15 | tjs | I want some place I can write a bit of an article with pictures about the bugs in tauren cat form |
| 04:38.37 | tjs | would that be inappropriate content for wowwiki? |
| 04:38.38 | Shadowed | Your best bet is to post in the bug forum |
| 04:38.51 | tjs | they don't really seem to care :/ |
| 04:39.09 | tjs | Ive tried bugs/ideas/druid forums, as have many people in the past |
| 04:39.09 | Shadowed | You're far more likely to get help regarding that there then on the wowwiki |
| 04:39.19 | tjs | fair enough |
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| 04:44.57 | Shadowed | How odd, I can't figure out when the nameplates name color changes from white to red, I could swear it's random |
| 04:47.50 | Shadowed | When the mob has been damaged (health changed basically?) it changes to red...if you turn away so the frames hide and view them away then both the person attacking and the mob name is red |
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| 04:52.35 | Shadowed | oh aha! it means the person/mob was damaged meaning mob vs player, player vs player, mob vs mob all trigger it |
| 05:01.04 | tjs | anyone know if there is a function to set those marks on a target? |
| 05:03.13 | Kaso | there is |
| 05:04.31 | Kaso | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_SetRaidTarget |
| 05:04.32 | Kaso | enjoy |
| 05:06.08 | tjs | ty :) |
| 05:06.34 | Mobeater | is there a website that shows the r g b colors with thier decimal values? |
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| 05:07.12 | WobWork | http://html-color-codes.com/rgb.html |
| 05:07.16 | tjs | get any decent web developer colour chooser type app |
| 05:07.18 | Mobeater | thank you wob |
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| 05:32.24 | Venerence | Hi |
| 05:32.58 | Venerence | Nothing? Anybody there? |
| 05:33.18 | Cairenn | nope |
| 05:33.43 | Venerence | I'll throw this out to the general audience, I'm trying to make a macro that swaps to daggers after a successful gouge |
| 05:33.56 | bleetah | well, 'cept for cairren.. but she don't count as 'anybody' |
| 05:34.17 | Venerence | Problem is, I don't know the script to find out if a gouge effect is on the target (which I would think is the only way to tell if it was successful) |
| 05:35.28 | bleetah | s/cairren/cairenn/ |
| 05:35.40 | Thunder_Child | well bleetah, by that token she is somebody |
| 05:35.54 | Thunder_Child | and your just way off target then |
| 05:36.40 | Thunder_Child | laugh all you want, but you know its just masking the truth |
| 05:36.54 | bleetah | well, she's definately not *just* anybody |
| 05:37.10 | Cairenn | oh no, I"m quite content to be "nobody" |
| 05:37.12 | Thunder_Child | Venerence, have you tride looking through the wowwiki pages? |
| 05:37.13 | bleetah | more than that, i'm afraid to contemplate |
| 05:37.19 | Thunder_Child | tried* |
| 05:37.32 | Cairenn | as long as I'm "nobody", I can continue to fend off the requests for interviews and such |
| 05:37.56 | Venerence | Yes, but I don't know much about lua. I don't really understand how the UnitDebuff function can give four valid return functions |
| 05:38.20 | Venerence | *variables |
| 05:39.13 | WobWork | lua can return any number of arguments from function calls |
| 05:39.43 | WobWork | so you'd end up with a line like returna,returnb,returnc,returnd = functionthatreturnsfourvalues(frog) |
| 05:39.46 | Shadowed | Cairenn: you're on the internet, you'll need to change your gender too to do that |
| 05:39.59 | Cairenn | what, fend off requests for interviews? |
| 05:41.07 | Thunder_Child | you dont have to fend off things if you accept them |
| 05:41.08 | Cairenn | lol, nice try Thunder_Child |
| 05:41.08 | Thunder_Child | and being canadian is -not- an excuse |
| 05:41.11 | Shadowed | sure it is |
| 05:41.20 | Thunder_Child | no, i am fairly sure it isnt |
| 05:41.23 | Nom- | bloody canadians, eh ? |
| 05:41.32 | Thunder_Child | only once a month |
| 05:41.36 | Shadowed | then why do we always make fun of the canadians! |
| 05:41.37 | Venerence | the other issue is that the argument takes a debuff index as an argument, is there any way to specifically check if "target" has such-and-such debuff, rather then looping through all the available debuffs? |
| 05:41.55 | Shadowed | Venerence nope, you have to loop through all the available debuffs |
| 05:41.58 | Nom- | Canada is like a loft apartment of a really good party. |
| 05:42.05 | Nom- | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:42.22 | Cairenn | Shadowed: It's human nature to mock ones' betters, in an attempt to feel good about oneself. |
| 05:42.27 | Nom- | s/of/over/ |
| 05:42.32 | Shadowed | Cairenn: I'm pretty sure thats not it |
| 05:43.03 | Cairenn | anyway, hush, you guys can pick on me later, Venerence is trying to get some help |
| 05:43.06 | Nom- | Actually |
| 05:43.14 | Nom- | It's human nature to mock those less fortunate |
| 05:43.22 | Thunder_Child | Shadowed, just admit it, canadians are better than americans...why do you think they are on top |
| 05:43.26 | Shadowed | but we can pick on you and help him at the same time! |
| 05:43.27 | Venerence | I think that's enough to flounder around with, thanks for the help :) |
| 05:43.38 | Shadowed | Thunder_Child: Because we can keep an eye on you better |
| 05:43.47 | Venerence | it's a shame item-rack doesn't have a built in event for gouge |
| 05:44.09 | Thunder_Child | i dunno Shadowed, it's hard to keep an eye on us when your face is in the mud.... |
| 05:44.12 | Shadowed | Theres some problems with doing swapping on debuffs because of things like global cooldown |
| 05:44.51 | Venerence | so it just won't do it? |
| 05:45.08 | Shadowed | I'm not exactly sure, you'll have to find out for yourself! |
| 05:45.12 | Shadowed | ~bonk Cairenn |
| 05:45.20 | purl | ACTION bonks Cairenn over the head |
| 05:45.20 | Cairenn | hehehe |
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| 05:45.20 | Shadowed | perl, literal bonk |
| 05:45.23 | Shadowed | there we go |
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| 05:50.46 | Venerence | god, maybe I should learn how lua works before messing around with this stuff, I don't even see bracketed lines |
| 05:53.30 | Kaso | Bracketed lines? |
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| 05:56.04 | Venerence | in C++ and java scope is determined by brackets, which don't exist in lua |
| 05:56.19 | WobWork | instead they use function() yarad end |
| 05:56.26 | WobWork | if(womble) then something end |
| 05:56.32 | WobWork | check out the lua manual |
| 05:56.35 | Shadowed | while( foo ) do end |
| 05:56.38 | WobWork | and the programming in lua book |
| 05:56.43 | WobWork | which is highly reccommended |
| 05:56.52 | WobWork | http://www.lua.org/pil |
| 05:57.09 | Shadowed | It's not really that bad actually, the thing you will have the most problems with is switching between using {} and do/then/end |
| 05:57.17 | Shadowed | and ~= vs != |
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| 06:00.06 | Venerence | on a related note, if you use /script in a macro, does the lua script end at a line break or from /script to the end |
| 06:00.37 | Kaso | it end at the first newline |
| 06:00.55 | Venerence | that's going to make some ugly code, but I guess it can't be helped |
| 06:01.15 | Kaso | well usually you dont right huge scripts in macros |
| 06:01.22 | Shadowed | not since 2.0.x at least |
| 06:01.39 | Venerence | Just trying to figure out enough to swap weapons on a successful gouge |
| 06:01.50 | Kaso | if you have to just write it up with tabs/newlines then remove them with your text editor before you paste to wow |
| 06:01.53 | Venerence | will probably end up translating it into the itemrack event format |
| 06:02.12 | Kaso | Macros cant respond to events? |
| 06:02.37 | Venerence | events can't respond to instant cast spells from what I have seen |
| 06:03.02 | Shadowed | You should be using UNIT_AURA and checking for changes there |
| 06:04.03 | Shadowed | http://www.wowwiki.com/Events/Unit_Info |
| 06:04.26 | Venerence | didn't notice that. So pseudo code: event: gains an aura: if: is gouge: then: change to dagger |
| 06:05.05 | Shadowed | Correct, you will need to write a mini addon to do this however since macros cannot respond to events like Kaso said |
| 06:05.29 | Kaso | You might wanna check out AfterCast, by iriel i think, its up on wowi, does what you want, unless you are doing this for practice |
| 06:05.30 | Venerence | Itemrack has an addon that allows for changing via script |
| 06:05.51 | Venerence | *is |
| 06:06.01 | Iriel | I will note AfterCast is slightly unhappy with 2.0, it's not broken, per se, but it's a bit whiny |
| 06:08.25 | Venerence | looks like I'll have to loop through every debuff index |
| 06:08.33 | Shadowed | yep |
| 06:11.46 | Venerence | if I only have one variable for a multi-return function, will it just take the first return statement? |
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| 06:15.20 | Venerence | Awesome, I think I got it working |
| 06:15.26 | Venerence | thanks for the help |
| 06:17.07 | Thunder_Child | well, on behalf of everyone that helped you, your welcome |
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| 06:52.06 | Shadowed | I though frames had a RegisterForClicks? |
| 06:53.25 | Iriel | Buttons do |
| 06:53.39 | Shadowed | Yeah I know Buttons do, I could swear frames did too though |
| 06:53.46 | Iriel | Nope, they have no OnClick |
| 06:53.59 | Shadowed | oh well, will add click casting later I guess |
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| 06:59.17 | SCalimlim | has <OnUpdate> been deprecated? |
| 06:59.25 | Shadowed | nope |
| 06:59.26 | SCalimlim | (been a while since ive written a mod that needed it) |
| 06:59.28 | SCalimlim | hmm |
| 06:59.28 | Kaso | in favour of what? |
| 06:59.38 | SCalimlim | nothing, im just having trouble using it |
| 06:59.50 | Iriel | What kind of trouble? |
| 06:59.53 | Iriel | Is your frame visible? |
| 06:59.58 | SCalimlim | no |
| 07:00.01 | SCalimlim | its hidden |
| 07:00.03 | Iriel | then it wont get fired |
| 07:00.09 | SCalimlim | ah gotcha |
| 07:00.09 | Iriel | OnUpdate only fires on visible frames |
| 07:00.13 | SCalimlim | thanks |
| 07:00.49 | Cairenn | night all |
| 07:00.59 | Shadowed | night cair |
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| 07:56.56 | Vuoripeikko | again. |
| 07:58.48 | Nom- | Hi, back. |
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| 08:29.14 | SCalimlim | anyone have any experience creating custom textures? |
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| 08:45.23 | SCalimlim | ah nm, just have to completely restart wow for it to load new textures |
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| 08:57.40 | Corrodias | why are all these people under the impression that blizzard was going to make the old raid instances worth running at 70? |
| 08:57.54 | Corrodias | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=70809126 |
| 08:58.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | because a lot of people are stupid |
| 08:58.55 | Corrodias | "I assure you nobody [who isn't a tank] ever understands a proper tanks pov." |
| 08:59.17 | Corrodias | nobody understands me, my life/role sucks~ |
| 08:59.38 | SCalimlim | it's going to make for interesting shortages of random levle 60 raid items |
| 08:59.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | a proper tank's pov is MONSTER CLOSE UP |
| 08:59.40 | SCalimlim | for crafting |
| 08:59.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | and you spamming every threat move in the order of their threat |
| 09:00.10 | Corrodias | everybody's (and i hate to use this term) QQing about the scaling as of page 3, and NONE of them have actually -tried- the instances and reported what they're like. |
| 09:00.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | well nef's bugged :p |
| 09:00.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | or was, unless they hotfixed him |
| 09:00.39 | Corrodias | actually, i lie. one person provided us a quip about the bosses doing more damage. |
| 09:00.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | he forces a lot more than just warriors into defensive stance |
| 09:00.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | er |
| 09:00.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | berserker |
| 09:01.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | he forces paladins, warlocks, rogues, etc into it too |
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| 09:01.46 | Corrodias | i read that thread |
| 09:03.13 | Corrodias | i was amused |
| 09:04.11 | Corrodias | page 5, everybody's still posting their own interpretations, ignoring everyone else |
| 09:05.54 | Corrodias | our best feral druid has some 28 thousand armor, by the way |
| 09:05.57 | Corrodias | i was impressed by that |
| 09:06.13 | Corrodias | at least, according to what one of the other guild members said he remembered |
| 09:06.23 | Corrodias | i'm going to ask him personally next time i see him |
| 09:07.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | probably around 23k |
| 09:07.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | i think thats the max |
| 09:08.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | that you can get with current itemization |
| 09:08.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | he probably melees like a mage though |
| 09:08.24 | Corrodias | this thread has me wondering about this issue |
| 09:08.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | probably cant hold aggro on anything |
| 09:08.43 | Corrodias | as usual, the blizzard poster is not speaking directly to the issue |
| 09:08.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | what thread |
| 09:09.07 | Corrodias | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=70809126 |
| 09:09.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | what are you wondering about it |
| 09:09.58 | Corrodias | as of page 7 the people and i are still wondering if being level 70 with level 60 gear will make you take more physical damage from a skull boss due to the reduction in damage mitigation percentage of the same armor value |
| 09:13.23 | Corrodias | it would seem so, as of the discussion by page 9 |
| 09:15.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | the mitigation number stays the same for the same amount of armor |
| 09:15.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | for the same level |
| 09:16.05 | Corrodias | for the same level? yeah, i knew that. your mitigation % doesn't go up and down while you stand in a city for no reason. |
| 09:16.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | a 60 mob hits just as hard on a 60 with 1000 armor as a 70 with 1000 armor |
| 09:16.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | except for misses, etc |
| 09:16.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | glancing blows, etc |
| 09:17.16 | Corrodias | so it's your armor value vs the opponent's level that determines the actual mitigation %? |
| 09:17.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah |
| 09:17.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | the char display is for an onlevel mob iirc |
| 09:18.12 | Corrodias | okay. now, skull bosses behaving as level 73 when attacking a level 70 player. if the level 70 character has the same amount of armor as he had at level 60, he's going to take more physical damage now, yes? |
| 09:18.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | likely yeah, especially if mobs have weapon skill levels |
| 09:19.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | like a 60 mob has a 300 weapon skill and a 70 has 375 or whatever |
| 09:19.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | they may not have them, i dunno |
| 09:20.20 | Corrodias | according to what the blizzard poster said, the hit table calculations do scale up like that. |
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| 09:42.13 | Corrodias | one of the "memorable quotes" from thrall: "We don't go do stupid things when somebody yells ‘For the Horde!!’" |
| 09:42.41 | Corrodias | damn straight. if you've ever seen Alterac Valley, you know that we are perfectly capable of doing stupid things without any battle cry at all! |
| 09:51.07 | Corrodias | is this disambiguation page really necessary? ;) http://www.wowwiki.com/Server:Uther |
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| 09:54.31 | zenzelezz | <Corrodias> okay. now, skull bosses behaving as level 73 when attacking a level 70 player. if the level 70 character has the same amount of armor as he had at level 60, he's going to take more physical damage now, yes? |
| 09:54.36 | zenzelezz | I'm a bit slow here, but yeah |
| 09:55.08 | zenzelezz | while my HP has nearly doubled from 60 to 70, my armor has only gone up by about 1000 so far, and the damage reduction is down from ~66% to 52% |
| 09:55.21 | zenzelezz | and that's from equal level mobs |
| 09:55.45 | Corrodias | mhm |
| 09:55.48 | sancus | yep he'll get hit a lot harder |
| 09:55.51 | sancus | but he'll have far more buffer hp |
| 09:55.54 | sancus | healers just have to spend more mana |
| 09:56.01 | Corrodias | well.. "a lot" harder may be an exaggeration |
| 09:56.04 | sancus | ofc, since their regen will have gone up a lot... |
| 09:56.20 | zenzelezz | my guild did Kharazan for the first time last night, and those buggers sure hurt |
| 09:56.40 | sancus | its not an exaggeration |
| 09:56.49 | Corrodias | actually, you're right. 45% more damage. |
| 09:56.53 | sancus | yep |
| 09:57.13 | Corrodias | so the old raid bosses will not really be that much easier |
| 09:57.15 | zenzelezz | I've come to realize that there's good reason for so many items to have +block value now |
| 09:57.17 | sancus | depends |
| 09:57.25 | sancus | damage on the tank is not always relevant |
| 09:57.32 | sancus | on most of the naxx bosses, tank damage is a minor concern |
| 09:57.43 | Corrodias | if pure stats aren't the most important part, then it certainly won't be easier :/ |
| 09:57.56 | sancus | You're still going to have raid dps that is at least 50-100% higher |
| 09:57.57 | Corrodias | because that's all that's really changed from 60 to 70. we haven't necessarily gotten smarter. |
| 09:58.01 | sancus | so bosses will go down WAY faster |
| 09:58.05 | Corrodias | well there's that |
| 09:58.07 | sancus | Also, the random targeted shit |
| 09:58.11 | sancus | which is a serious issue on a lot of bosses |
| 09:58.15 | sancus | is basically completely ineffective against 70s |
| 09:58.18 | sancus | because their hp pool is absurd |
| 09:58.32 | sancus | there's no way anyone is going to die to thaddius chain lightning for example |
| 09:59.16 | sancus | and the void zones that kill healers on 4H |
| 09:59.18 | sancus | become a total joke |
| 09:59.54 | sancus | you still aren't going to PUG naxx, don't get me wrong, but it will be a heck of a lot easier |
| 10:00.14 | sancus | I cant think of a single encounter that would be harder |
| 10:00.33 | sancus | patchwerk is the only possibility, and I dont think so because killing him in 2 minutes as opposed to 5 makes healer mana not an issue |
| 10:00.36 | Corrodias | well, i agree nothing would be harder |
| 10:00.42 | Corrodias | what's patchwerk like? |
| 10:01.18 | sancus | He deals the most damage on a tank of any boss in naxx and also randomly targets the highest hp person in melee with him for a fairly hard-hitting melee damage strike |
| 10:01.30 | sancus | and you have to kill him in 7 minutes or he enrages |
| 10:01.33 | sancus | thats pretty much all he does |
| 10:01.35 | sancus | it's a healer fight |
| 10:02.27 | Corrodias | my druid has approached 5hpm efficiency on healing touch rank 12, which pleases me |
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| 10:03.30 | Corrodias | it's 5 easy if i activate one of the +healing trinkets that i never remember to activate |
| 10:03.59 | Corrodias | KC & The Sunshine Band - That's The Way (I Like It) |
| 10:09.47 | Corrodias | i wonder if pvp would be more or less popular if they added guro imagery to it |
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| 10:44.52 | foxlit | wtb SimpleHTML:GetText(); |
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| 11:31.14 | SCalimlim | is it possible to have a frame that catches mouse left and right clicks, but allows dragging to go to the frame below it? |
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| 11:35.16 | foxlit | yes |
| 11:36.16 | SCalimlim | k, now to figure out how to modify the WorldMapFrame to allow that ;-P |
| 11:38.29 | Corrodias | http://www.blue.cardplace.com/newcache/en/122442783.htm |
| 11:40.44 | sancus | in other news: CM crack ration is doubled. |
| 11:42.58 | Corrodias | moo |
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| 12:59.30 | zenzelezz | uh oh |
| 12:59.42 | zenzelezz | what's your tabard, and why do you want a change? |
| 13:00.35 | Corrodias | hang on |
| 13:00.56 | Corrodias | http://s88.photobucket.com/albums/k191/Corrodias/ -- the top four images in the album (the most recent four) are the images that go along with the thread |
| 13:01.13 | Corrodias | the current one is white on red and i really just hate that color combination for anything, including tabards |
| 13:01.47 | Corrodias | i'd have hidden the UI, but that closes the design pane and cancels the changes, which is not so hot for showing off ideas |
| 13:02.13 | Corrodias | the other three are my quick proposals |
| 13:02.15 | zenzelezz | personally I like the first alternative |
| 13:02.25 | zenzelezz | I agree that white on red didn't go well |
| 13:02.48 | Corrodias | i must admit, the first is also my favorite of those three. it's similar to the original, but i can live with gold. |
| 13:03.06 | Corrodias | my nipples seem to be hard just thinking about it |
| 13:03.15 | zenzelezz | I'm actually fairly happy with my guild's tabard |
| 13:03.28 | zenzelezz | but a while ago I'd take anything to hide my armor |
| 13:03.36 | Corrodias | (i really don't know what the eye is supposed to symbolize, but the guild's name is Fate) |
| 13:03.41 | Corrodias | yeah? do you have a shot of yours? |
| 13:03.49 | zenzelezz | probably, moment |
| 13:05.35 | Corrodias | i healed a party for the Underbog today, as a level 68 druid. the other members were of various levels between 64 and 68, 2 warlocks (one demonology with a felguard tanking for us) and 2 mages. |
| 13:05.47 | Corrodias | the other warlock was some other spec and could tank reasonably well himself :P |
| 13:10.25 | zenzelezz | Corrodias: http://home.samsen.com/zenzelezz/zenzio.jpg |
| 13:10.57 | Corrodias | kind of a bad angle for lighting, but it looks like gold on red? |
| 13:11.07 | zenzelezz | yes |
| 13:11.14 | zenzelezz | brownish red |
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| 13:27.08 | Corrodias | an officer has already posted about how the old tabard is a symbol of unity or some such thing. |
| 13:27.35 | Industrial | Anyone have experience with apache, .htaccess files and mod_rewrite? |
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| 13:46.38 | SCalimlim | woot, finally finished that mod |
| 13:46.41 | SCalimlim | what a pain in the ass |
| 13:47.15 | nevcairiel | any piece of software is never really finished |
| 13:47.15 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 13:47.27 | SCalimlim | yea, you're right, i need to add one key binding ;-P |
| 13:47.36 | SCalimlim | and see if i can resize some graphics |
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| 14:00.50 | SCalimlim | http://theguildforge.com/imd/wow/flightmap.jpg |
| 14:00.57 | SCalimlim | map that appears while you are flying |
| 14:01.13 | SCalimlim | fully functional, it is the actual map that appears when you hit M but heavily modified |
| 14:01.34 | SCalimlim | also shows another of my mod's, mouseovertarget (check out the extra info under my mouseover tooltip) |
| 14:04.17 | Corrodias | where's rabies? HEY RABIES |
| 14:04.26 | Corrodias | Mr_Rabies2 with highlighting and all |
| 14:10.27 | Corrodias | oh well, i'll catch him later. [asleep] |
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| 14:33.42 | Venerence | Anybody know if it is possible to save a unit's ID? |
| 14:34.10 | SCalimlim | what are you trying to do? |
| 14:34.38 | Venerence | I'm trying to check if a target I deselect is dead |
| 14:35.01 | SCalimlim | I don't think that's possible |
| 14:35.21 | SCalimlim | you are limited to the list of preset ids |
| 14:35.27 | SCalimlim | you can't save the value of one and use it later |
| 14:38.42 | Venerence | Well I'm stumped then. I want to check to see if a unit I have gouged is killed. UNIT_AURA doesn't fire if he is killed before gouge is removed |
| 14:39.04 | SCalimlim | you can check if your current target is dead |
| 14:39.10 | SCalimlim | but not something you have deselected |
| 14:39.30 | Venerence | Targets that are killed get deselected, that's the problem |
| 14:41.30 | SCalimlim | no events correspond to unit death? |
| 14:41.42 | SCalimlim | or you could scan the combat log |
| 14:42.42 | SCalimlim | CHAT_MSG_COMBAT_HOSTILE_DEATH |
| 14:43.04 | Venerence | Question is, is the target deselected before or after that message appears |
| 14:43.21 | SCalimlim | why is that significant? |
| 14:43.41 | Venerence | to check if he is gouged or not |
| 14:44.09 | zenzelezz | why do you need to know if a dead unit was gouged? |
| 14:44.29 | Venerence | I have it so when I gouge a unit, I swap to a dagger |
| 14:44.46 | Venerence | if my move that breaks gouge kills the unit, it doesn't swap back, because the event to check that is UNIT_AURA_CHANGED |
| 14:44.51 | Venerence | *UNIT_AURA |
| 14:45.15 | zenzelezz | ah, you're one of those people ;) |
| 14:45.27 | Venerence | Totally awesome people? |
| 14:45.41 | zenzelezz | not exactly what I had in mind |
| 14:45.44 | zenzelezz | more like tweakers |
| 14:45.57 | zenzelezz | afraid I don't know a solution though, but I'm not a very good WoW coder |
| 14:47.28 | Venerence | Guess there are ways to check if I still have a target when the event fires |
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| 14:50.10 | Bouvi | Anyone want to be the featured artist for next weeks UI Newsletter? |
| 14:50.46 | cogwheel | This took an incredibly long time to overflow: |
| 14:50.47 | cogwheel | local OrigSendChatMessage = SendChatMessage |
| 14:50.49 | cogwheel | function SendChatMessage(text, ...) |
| 14:50.50 | cogwheel | text = gsub(text, "%%f", UnitName("focus") or "") |
| 14:50.52 | cogwheel | text = gsub(text, "%%m", UnitName("mouseover") or "") |
| 14:50.53 | cogwheel | return OrigSendChatMessage(text, ...) |
| 14:50.55 | cogwheel | end |
| 14:51.02 | cogwheel | s/Orig// |
| 14:54.04 | Venerence | Awesome, the event comes before the deselection! |
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| 14:59.14 | cogwheel | AnduinLothar: ping |
| 14:59.46 | Venerence | While I'm at it, is there a function to return the name of a unit? |
| 15:00.13 | Industrial | UnitName(unit) |
| 15:00.20 | cogwheel | Venerence: http://www.wowwiki.com/World_of_Warcraft_API |
| 15:00.21 | Industrial | wowwiki.com :D |
| 15:00.23 | Venerence | I have no idea how I missed that ^_^ |
| 15:02.08 | cogwheel | AnduinLothar: never mind :P |
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| 15:10.25 | cogwheel | if you're in a battleground, does /ra behave like /bg? |
| 15:10.34 | TS|Skrom | nope |
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| 15:12.55 | cogwheel | anyone have a simple function to determine if you're in a BG? |
| 15:14.56 | SCalimlim | maybe just http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetBattlefieldStatus ? |
| 15:15.42 | SCalimlim | if the first return value == "active" you are in a bg |
| 15:16.30 | cogwheel | yeah... was just hoping someone had a quick copy/paste :P |
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| 16:21.05 | cogwheel|work | are whispers always in Common or Orcish? |
| 16:31.52 | cogwheel|work | anyone know where the default chat colors are defined? I looked in fonts.xml & browsed through chatframe.lua (but at 95kb I can't exactly read the whole thing thoroughly :P) |
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| 16:34.17 | cogwheel|work | #wowi-lounge, ping... |
| 16:34.23 | cogwheel|work | :P |
| 16:39.52 | Elkano | pong? |
| 16:41.09 | wowi-lounge | pong |
| 16:41.17 | cogwheel|work | hehe |
| 16:41.41 | cogwheel|work | Found it... it's in the default chat-cache.txt |
| 16:42.00 | Cairenn | answered you elsewhere, silly boy |
| 16:42.28 | cogwheel|work | yep. i just was sticking it here as an FYI for anyone interested :) |
| 16:42.35 | Cairenn | :) |
| 16:43.10 | Cairenn | I actually think (may very well be wrong) that that info is on the wiki somewhere as well |
| 16:43.36 | cogwheel|work | probably... |
| 16:44.51 | Cairenn | I just know that it has come up time and again |
| 16:45.11 | Cairenn | so either the actual info, or where to find it, may very well be on the wiki |
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| 17:00.25 | Elkano | clad, ever thought about fixing clique'S UI for new chars? |
| 17:05.50 | cogwheel|work | AnduinLothar: are you around? |
| 17:14.47 | cogwheel|work | Can anyone test my IsInBattleground function? I don't have time to sit in a queue atm... http://wowi.pastey.net/6222 |
| 17:15.27 | cogwheel|work | (or i'll just release the addon it's from as a beta and make the general public test it :P ) |
| 17:16.41 | jaxdahl2 | ctprofiles import doesn't seem to work very well |
| 17:16.58 | cogwheel|work | jaxdahl2: had this conversation with Cide yesterday... it's on the todo list |
| 17:17.12 | jaxdahl2 | cogwheel|work, i'll look for it (in here?) |
| 17:17.22 | cogwheel|work | yep |
| 17:17.26 | jaxdahl2 | are you able to bump your tradeskills up to 375? |
| 17:17.45 | cogwheel|work | haven't tried anything manual yet... |
| 17:17.56 | jaxdahl2 | i updated my character to 70 |
| 17:18.10 | jaxdahl2 | weapon skill caps went up to 350 |
| 17:18.29 | jaxdahl2 | but i don't see where to raise the cap for the others, i tried putting in a bigger number and it didn't work |
| 17:19.14 | cogwheel|work | i'm sure between CTRA2 & CTProfiles, they've got a lot on their plates right now... |
| 17:19.25 | cogwheel|work | (among, i'm assuming, other projects) |
| 17:19.47 | jaxdahl2 | btw |
| 17:19.57 | jaxdahl2 | i had to bumop my character up to 70 |
| 17:20.04 | jaxdahl2 | before i imported some stuff |
| 17:20.18 | jaxdahl2 | even then, it didn't like the shield |
| 17:20.23 | jaxdahl2 | so i had to add that one manually |
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| 17:21.01 | jaxdahl2 | i scrolled up, cogwheel|work. if that is your definition of a 'conversation', you sure exaggerate stuff ;) |
| 17:21.38 | cogwheel|work | nah... "discussion" would've been exaggerating :P |
| 17:23.25 | jaxdahl2 | they also need to add ring enchants somehow |
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| 17:44.45 | jaxdahl2 | hm, ts has a post saying shield import should be fixed on ctprofiles, but it's still not recognizing my shield when i import |
| 17:45.53 | jaxdahl2 | also seems they don't have level 61+ health/mana calculated correctly. |
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| 17:47.59 | jaxdahl2 | sockets too. heh |
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| 17:52.09 | TC_Working | *snicker* "a 'ch ch' is not a church unless 'ur' in it" |
| 17:55.20 | sysrage | o_O |
| 17:55.47 | cogwheel|work | clad: ping |
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| 17:59.31 | |FF|Im2good4u | i just found out then u shift+click an itemhyperlink into a chatedit box it calls OnSpacePressed, Wierd... |
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| 18:18.03 | cogwheel|work | there they are... |
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| 18:20.32 | cogwheel|work | nevermind... |
| 18:20.35 | cogwheel|work | ~emulate cogwheel |
| 18:20.47 | purl | ACTION shakes its fist at the forums |
| 18:21.09 | Bouvi | ~purl |
| 18:21.11 | purl | somebody said purl was an evil bot. rather slow at responding |
| 18:24.04 | cogwheel|work | where is everybody today? The forums are slow, this channel is slow, it's been nearly an hour since I uploaded a new mod to wowi.com and it's not approved yet... |
| 18:25.31 | Bouvi | No idear |
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| 18:34.32 | Tierrie|Work | I'm drinking OJ and just chillin |
| 18:37.34 | kergoth | Shadowed: ping |
| 18:39.33 | TC_Working | just a slow day cog |
| 18:42.49 | TC_Working | and in theory we are working |
| 18:43.14 | cogwheel|work | <.< |
| 18:43.17 | cogwheel|work | >.> |
| 18:43.56 | Bouvi | Well I am at work..... |
| 18:44.15 | TC_Working | so am i...doesnt me we are working |
| 18:44.21 | sysrage | not at home playing wow = working |
| 18:44.22 | TC_Working | s/me/mean/ |
| 18:44.23 | Bouvi | Hey I am working. I got tomorrows UI newsletter ready to go out. |
| 18:44.39 | cogwheel|work | haha |
| 18:45.45 | Bouvi | I also designed a couple of flyers for my martial arts organization. (That took 10 mins) |
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| 18:58.26 | TC_Working | ~moo |
| 18:58.30 | purl | mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/moo/ and http://www.riddleme.com/html/cow2.html |
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| 19:01.37 | Neebler | schwing http://www.clanok.com/darktide/litestepui2.jpg |
| 19:01.55 | Neebler | party on wayne. party on garth |
| 19:02.51 | cogwheel|work | shiny... |
| 19:04.06 | Neebler | my eyeballs asploded in delight upon seeing it |
| 19:05.16 | MentalPower | it looks like Vista... |
| 19:06.12 | TC_Working | has a nice polished feel to it |
| 19:07.13 | Neebler | I dont really like the button or minimap skin, but the healthbar skin is faaantastic |
| 19:08.10 | Neebler | anyways.. I didn't make it here's the link of where it came from http://www.discordmods.com/cgi-bin/showUI.pl?msgnum=1178 |
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| 19:31.19 | sysrage | ya somebody needs to add that healthbar skin to x-perl |
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| 19:44.46 | SCalimlim | minimalist skins ftw |
| 19:45.00 | SCalimlim | moar viewing area plz! |
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| 19:53.25 | Shadowed | kergoth: pong |
| 19:55.40 | kergoth | Shadowed: hey, just wanted to say that that nameplate modifier addon is most spiffy, but you should think about ditching the temporary table creations in your onupdate that you use to capture the GetChildren. something like http://wow.pastey.net/6229 perhaps |
| 19:55.48 | kergoth | :) |
| 19:56.46 | Shadowed | kergoth: The main issue is the fact we have no method of knowing if a new frame was created, or even if the mob that the frame is over changed |
| 19:57.32 | kergoth | i see the need to scan all the frames to find them all, just pointing out that you can at least avoid that particular allocation |
| 19:58.02 | Shadowed | thanks, will add it into 1.0.1 |
| 19:59.52 | Shadowed | one theory I have to make them a bit faster would be move it to an event driven system, basically by hooking stuff like SetValue, SetTextColor, SetStatusBarColor. But i'm not sure yet if the internal Blizzard code calls them or if they do something else |
| 20:00.54 | axxo | whats that addon called? sounds interesting |
| 20:01.04 | kergoth | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6852-1.0.0.html |
| 20:01.39 | Shadowed | actually probably the most annoying issue is a way to identify who the frame is for |
| 20:01.55 | kergoth | since unit wasnt set on the secure frame? i wonder why that is |
| 20:02.49 | Shadowed | well identifying if it's someone in your raid/party isn't so bad, that just means we have to maintain a map of names to units. It's mostly trying to identify if it's a hostile, friendly ungrouped player, neutral npc, friendly npc |
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| 20:04.03 | haste | can't you cache the frame reference and just check if it's visible or not? |
| 20:04.38 | kergoth | assuming no new frames are created, sure... but if they are.. |
| 20:04.50 | kergoth | meh, headache |
| 20:04.57 | haste | I'm guessing they would be recycled |
| 20:05.14 | kergoth | offtopic, but i dont suppose anyone knows of any embedded linux job openings? :P |
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| 20:06.00 | Shadowed | If I can turn it into something more reactionary driven over just assuming it was updated every 0.25 seconds, then the onupdate will only be used to hook new frames created in which case it's not as bad. |
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| 20:22.04 | Shadowed | cogwheel|work: /group should work fine, but if they were in a party or raid group before it wont let them communicate with that |
| 20:23.03 | Tierrie|Work | so anyone got that new Norah Jones cd? |
| 20:23.10 | cogwheel|work | Shadowed: i don't quite follow... |
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| 20:24.02 | Shadowed | if you're in a group before you join a battlefield, you can still communicate with the raid or party |
| 20:24.11 | cogwheel|work | Shadowed: ah |
| 20:24.14 | AnduinLothar | cogwheel|work: pong |
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| 20:25.22 | cogwheel|work | AnduinLothar: I'm playing around a bit with satellite and was wondering if you knew of an easy way to switch chat types in onSpacePressed. E.g. when someone types /tellunit target[space] it switches them to whisper with that person's name selected... |
| 20:25.49 | cogwheel|work | Shadowed: imo, that's how it should work... |
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| 20:26.58 | AnduinLothar | um you'll have to change the chattype manually i think. |
| 20:27.08 | AnduinLothar | sec |
| 20:27.30 | axxo | would it be possible to block certain sounds from playing? like when fishing the water audio just drives me bananas |
| 20:28.20 | Scre3m | do the rpgoutfitter people have an irc channel? |
| 20:29.54 | AnduinLothar | Satallite doesn't have any builtin code for switching the current chat type I don't think. |
| 20:30.02 | cogwheel|work | OK |
| 20:30.34 | Corrodias | it seems that only one other person in the guild who has posted on the forum so far is open to changing the tabard colors |
| 20:30.43 | AnduinLothar | but do you actually want to change the chat type or jsut the action onExecute? |
| 20:31.27 | cogwheel|work | I've got the onExecute working fine. It's mainly for macros so it shouldn't be too big a deal whether they see Tell Unit: target blah or To Soandso: blah |
| 20:32.46 | AnduinLothar | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:32.55 | cogwheel|work | focus |
| 20:32.58 | cogwheel|work | mouseover |
| 20:34.05 | cogwheel|work | I know people with macros like /cast [target=mouseover] Innervate /run SendChatMessage("Incoming innervate", "WHISPER", nil, UnitName("focus")) |
| 20:34.17 | cogwheel|work | s/focus/mouseover/ |
| 20:36.42 | AnduinLothar | you could try setting the chat type manually for the chatframe and then calling the update func |
| 20:37.05 | Venerence | Ahhh irc. the notepad of the IM world |
| 20:37.18 | cogwheel|work | I'm thinking it's not really worth it right now... |
| 20:37.22 | jaxdahl2 | multiplayer notepad |
| 20:37.24 | AnduinLothar | or just do the update yourself, like telltrack |
| 20:38.11 | Venerence | Think I should reroll my BM rogue for a BM mage? I'm thinking about it because so many drops add to spell damage |
| 20:38.26 | Venerence | in imba-level-20-in-2-hours-world |
| 20:40.20 | Venerence | BE that would be. but this is a UI chat so nvm |
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| 20:53.17 | TC_Working | ~loose |
| 20:53.18 | purl | i heard loose is the most annoying spelling error. It's LOSE you moron. Unless of course you're using loose in a Madonna sorta way. |
| 20:54.19 | sysrage | foot loose! |
| 21:00.35 | cogwheel|work | Is there any way to get the slash command that triggered a SlashCmdList handler? |
| 21:00.44 | sysrage | anna nicole smith is dead! |
| 21:04.30 | bleetah | 2.0.7 patchnotes up http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/patchnotes/test-realm-patchnotes.html |
| 21:04.45 | TC_Working | thanks bleetah |
| 21:04.53 | Corrodias | bleetah is my hero |
| 21:04.59 | bleetah | from that, would appear no API changes, haven't had a chance to look closer yet |
| 21:05.26 | bleetah | I got the client last night, server wasn't up as of about 15 mins ago, so haven't looked closely at it |
| 21:10.16 | Osagasu | Any effect which benefits the victim of a critical strike will now trigger even if resilience converted the attack from a critical strike to a normal strike; this applies to melee, ranged, and spell. The affected talents, abilities, and items are: "Eye for an Eye", "Blessed Resilience", "Enrage", "Martyrdom", "Blood Craze", "Eye of the Storm", and "Bonespike Shoulder". |
| 21:10.17 | Osagasu | YAY! |
| 21:11.27 | bleetah | fwiw, looks like the PTR auth server is down at the moment |
| 21:12.36 | bleetah | sysrage: I wonder how long it'll be before the 'life of' telemovies appear |
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| 21:13.00 | bleetah | actually, not even worth thinking about |
| 21:18.26 | foxlit | "Players can no longer send gift wrapped packages via COD. |
| 21:18.40 | foxlit | There go my profit margins :/ |
| 21:19.08 | kergoth | lol |
| 21:19.24 | Tsikura | ARGENT DAWN NEEDS YOUR HELP |
| 21:19.45 | TC_Working | to fleece you |
| 21:20.01 | bleetah | "When sharing a quest, the order logic has changed to check whether or not the player has completed or is ineligible for the quest before checking whether their quest log is full." bleeding yeehahhhh |
| 21:20.24 | kergoth | sweet, i hated that |
| 21:21.29 | bleetah | and, it looks, like they may have fixed the chat window name changing/moving bug, too |
| 21:21.55 | bleetah | they're a bit vague on the wording "Players with multiple chat windows will no longer have fixed channels (ie. general, trade) added back to the main chat window every time they log on. " |
| 21:22.47 | TC_Working | hmmm...looks like Anna Nicole Smith bit the big one |
| 21:22.59 | kergoth | yep, time to celebrate |
| 21:23.03 | zenzelezz | with her that just sounds dirty |
| 21:23.49 | TC_Working | i suppose there could be worse ways to die |
| 21:26.24 | TC_Working | haha.... http://www.queenofwands.net/d/20040121.html |
| 21:26.40 | TC_Working | wheres the remix? |
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| 21:34.52 | Tsikura | that comic made me want to poke my eyes out |
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| 21:35.41 | TC_Working | WTB Tsikura a sense of humor |
| 21:35.52 | Throgan | 5g |
| 21:36.00 | Tsikura | =o |
| 21:36.14 | TC_Working | i dunno, is it worth it for 5g? |
| 21:36.37 | Throgan | depends. is it that bad? |
| 21:36.49 | foxlit | Sense of humor is a no-trade commodity. |
| 21:37.01 | Tsikura | i guess id be the person pushing the grocery cart there |
| 21:37.10 | Throgan | hrr hrr |
| 21:37.17 | TC_Working | lol, he was laughing on the inside Tsikura |
| 21:37.26 | foxlit | (it's on the no-export list too; you can't sell it to the people living in countries on the DoT banned countries list) |
| 21:37.45 | TC_Working | so i'll get one black market |
| 21:38.01 | Throgan | alright now. on the black its 10g |
| 21:38.20 | Tsikura | now |
| 21:38.22 | Throgan | and hey! my background is black ^^ |
| 21:38.25 | foxlit | But would you risk it with a black market sense of humor? What if it will malfunction and destroy us all? |
| 21:38.28 | Tsikura | the comic of the day before is just weird lol |
| 21:38.31 | Tsikura | http://www.queenofwands.net/d/20040119.html |
| 21:38.46 | TC_Working | shhh...i havent got that far yet |
| 21:39.00 | Tsikura | its before the one you linked O.o |
| 21:39.04 | Tsikura | you going backwards? |
| 21:39.38 | Throgan | lol |
| 21:39.58 | Throgan | you know what? it is the first time that i can really chat with people in here^^ |
| 21:40.14 | TC_Working | dont worry, we will make you regret it |
| 21:40.38 | Throgan | i doubt that |
| 21:40.45 | TC_Working | woot, a challange |
| 21:40.50 | TC_Working | challenge* |
| 21:40.54 | Throgan | you dont know my guild |
| 21:40.55 | TC_Working | ....something like that |
| 21:41.34 | TC_Working | hmm....well, it's true that i dont have the advantage of vent...but i may beable to work around that |
| 21:42.27 | Throgan | hey guys! i just read in the net that Anna Nicole Smith died |
| 21:43.04 | foxlit | "hey guys!" and "just read that xyz died" clash |
| 21:43.27 | Shadowed | nice change "Players can no longer send gift wrapped packages via COD. " |
| 21:43.30 | Throgan | what you wanna tell me with that? |
| 21:43.55 | foxlit | It's an odd combination; I want to see where you'll go with it first. |
| 21:44.02 | [Wobin] | Shadowed: IT's to prevent Terrirsts |
| 21:44.27 | [Wobin] | cause who knows if the package is a goblin proximity bomb or not |
| 21:44.33 | Shadowed | [Wobin] haha |
| 21:44.34 | Throgan | eh ok. still don't get it |
| 21:45.20 | TC_Working | people were mail scaming.......for fake money |
| 21:45.51 | Throgan | no sry. i was writing to foxlit. my fault |
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| 21:46.23 | TC_Working | ~bitchslap Throgan |
| 21:46.31 | purl | ACTION beats the sh*t out of Throgan |
| 21:46.31 | Throgan | ouch! |
| 21:47.02 | TC_Working | heh, the ouch usualy works better after the beating |
| 21:47.21 | Throgan | great! now i dont have to go to the toilet |
| 21:47.55 | TC_Working | *blink blink* |
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| 21:49.26 | Throgan | gotto go. cya |
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| 21:51.56 | MentalPower | whats the Java equivalent of the tonumber() function? |
| 21:52.13 | DemoXin | hello |
| 21:52.48 | Kaso | MentalPower string.parseInt() |
| 21:53.25 | MentalPower | thanks Kaso |
| 21:54.00 | Kaso | hmm, actually its not on the String api page, perhaps its another object |
| 21:54.28 | Kaso | ah |
| 21:54.29 | Kaso | Integer.parseInt() |
| 21:57.46 | Tsikura | :O |
| 21:58.32 | foxlit | I want a SimpleHTML:GetText() |
| 22:00.09 | Kaso | SimpleHTML always puzzled me, is it actually used by the DefaultUI? |
| 22:00.28 | foxlit | Parts of the glue, maybe. |
| 22:01.09 | foxlit | I tried cheating by hooking SetText(self, text) and doing self.text = text; self:oldSetText(text), but that behaved rather oddly. |
| 22:02.15 | foxlit | Kaso: yes, it is. |
| 22:02.29 | Kaso | where? |
| 22:02.30 | foxlit | ItemTextFrame.xml has a ItemTextPageText |
| 22:03.52 | Kaso | oooh |
| 22:04.02 | Kaso | thats for when you like can read books and stuff yeh? |
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| 22:04.13 | Kaso | ah makes sense |
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| 22:07.26 | DemoXin | hello |
| 22:08.53 | DemoXin | anyone here that can maybe answer a question for me? |
| 22:10.04 | DemoXin | guess not |
| 22:11.07 | foxlit | ask question, not permission to ask question :) |
| 22:11.38 | DemoXin | I found a guide on using lua and .net to ead data from XML files |
| 22:12.07 | DemoXin | but is it possible to either a) load .net libraries into wow, or b) read xml data with just lua? |
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| 22:12.32 | cogwheel|work | cladhaire: wtb approval again... XD |
| 22:13.12 | foxlit | a) No. |
| 22:13.31 | foxlit | b) Not directly. |
| 22:13.39 | DemoXin | im new to wow interface modding, but i have an idea, and i want to use an XML file as a "database" if you will, and read the data from an xml file to display with the addon |
| 22:14.03 | Kraze | Is there any LUA editor thats updated with lua 5.1?? |
| 22:14.14 | DemoXin | i tend to learn best by diving right in and working, but im not sure how possible my current method is |
| 22:15.41 | DemoXin | is there a way for me to do this, or do you have another recommendation as to how i should go about storing and retrieving that info? |
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| 22:16.39 | foxlit | As far as I know, you can't programmatically read and write XML through wow's lua; you really should use LUA's tables and savedvariables if you want to build some sort of persistant data store. |
| 22:17.23 | DemoXin | are LUA tables capable of holding several paragraphs worth of text though? |
| 22:17.36 | DemoXin | several paragraphs in one cell that is |
| 22:17.54 | foxlit | LUA tables can hold anything lua itself can hold |
| 22:17.54 | cogwheel|work | DemoXin: http://www.lua.org/pil/ |
| 22:18.12 | DemoXin | ty |
| 22:18.49 | DemoXin | alright, is it possible to load any external libraries into WoW? |
| 22:18.58 | DemoXin | im assuming not, since u cant load .NET ones |
| 22:19.58 | foxlit | You can't get anything that's not already there, really. |
| 22:20.42 | DemoXin | okay |
| 22:21.36 | Kraze | is there a lua editor thats updated with lua 5.1? |
| 22:22.03 | cladhaire | Kraze: Download wowscite from wowi |
| 22:22.07 | cladhaire | then download cogwheel's binaries. |
| 22:22.10 | MentalPower | any Lua 5.0 editor will work for 5.1, sans new functions |
| 22:22.54 | Kraze | cladhaire: I tried, but then I couldn't install it |
| 22:23.13 | Kraze | I mean I can't the new binaries |
| 22:23.17 | cladhaire | why not? |
| 22:23.34 | Kraze | well, I dont know how, the instruction just tell you to edit the properties |
| 22:23.44 | Kraze | doesn't tell you where to extract the files and such |
| 22:23.50 | cladhaire | put then in the bin directory under scite. |
| 22:23.55 | cladhaire | but you could also just download stock scite |
| 22:24.00 | cladhaire | from the link in the addon desc on wowi |
| 22:24.02 | cladhaire | that would work just fine. |
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| 22:26.13 | Kraze | wait.... what? |
| 22:26.28 | cladhaire | hold please. |
| 22:26.45 | Kraze | I download lua511wow-1.6.1.zip, inside contain a folder call lua511wow, so just extract that ? |
| 22:26.51 | cladhaire | download this: http://gisdeveloper.tripod.com/scite.html |
| 22:26.57 | cladhaire | that will do what you need it to do. |
| 22:28.23 | Kraze | thats it? I dont have to update it or anything? |
| 22:28.34 | cladhaire | nope |
| 22:28.36 | cladhaire | that would give you lua 5.1 |
| 22:28.38 | cladhaire | in scite. |
| 22:28.40 | Kraze | ok thanks |
| 22:29.31 | Kraze | question - for the xml file, whats the use of the UI tag? |
| 22:31.08 | cogwheel|work | It's part of the XML standard to have a root tag |
| 22:31.31 | cogwheel|work | Plus, it provides a path to UI.xsd which is used by XML editors to provide auto-complete suggestions for tags and attribute values |
| 22:31.37 | DemoXin | does it matter if you use UICraft as the root tag? |
| 22:31.59 | DemoXin | cuz mywarcraftstudio's sample file uses UICraft as the root on its sample file |
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| 22:32.00 | cogwheel|work | I would assume it wouldn't recognize it |
| 22:32.12 | cogwheel|work | s/it/wow/ |
| 22:32.28 | DemoXin | hmm |
| 22:32.43 | bleetah | PTR has PvE and PvP realms |
| 22:32.46 | DemoXin | okay, no reason to set outside standards, whether it recognizes or not |
| 22:32.59 | bleetah | (well, the char copy would indicate thus, still no realm list avail) |
| 22:33.50 | Kraze | purl: so it doesn't matter what I put in there? I see some difference in different mods |
| 22:34.26 | cogwheel|work | XD purl's a bot... when I typed s/it/wow/ he substituted the word it for wow |
| 22:34.50 | Kraze | or |
| 22:34.54 | cogwheel|work | Kraze: i was answering DemoXin |
| 22:34.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | ~purl |
| 22:35.00 | purl | i heard purl is an evil bot. rather slow at responding |
| 22:35.02 | Kraze | oh. |
| 22:35.20 | TC_Working | ~~~~~ |
| 22:35.22 | purl | grrrr |
| 22:35.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | ~sotn |
| 22:35.47 | purl | What is a man? A miserable little pile of secrets! But enough talk! Have at you! http://youtube.com/watch?v=c7E_in_uZnc |
| 22:35.50 | Kraze | so does it matter what I put in the Ui tag?? |
| 22:36.10 | foxlit | Has to be valid per UI XSD |
| 22:36.15 | DemoXin | Kraze, i dont think so, because its different in different mods, but why break standards? |
| 22:36.37 | cogwheel|work | I don't think so... it's mainly metadata for editors and such. As long as you have the tag it should be OK. |
| 22:37.39 | Shadowed | kergoth: ping |
| 22:37.50 | Kraze | because I dont know what it does, and is slightly different for different mods, just want to make sure |
| 22:38.04 | cogwheel|work | I highly recommend using one of the more "complicated" ones and point it to a copy of UI.xsd. Get yourself a decent XML editor that provides auto-complete (Microsoft Visual Studio Express comes with one -- and it's free). You will never look back once you can type and opening caret and know exactly which tags you're allowed to put there. |
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| 22:38.31 | Shadowed | I don't think i've written my own piece of XML in a while, i just copy and paste it from older cod e:p |
| 22:38.46 | DemoXin | hey peeps |
| 22:38.50 | DemoXin | whats a catchier name? |
| 22:38.54 | DemoXin | QRMod |
| 22:38.58 | DemoXin | or Questref? |
| 22:39.28 | cogwheel|work | Questicle! XD |
| 22:39.33 | DemoXin | lol |
| 22:39.52 | TC_Working | cog drink your wine and shoo |
| 22:40.01 | DemoXin | any votes? |
| 22:40.06 | Shadowed | I like Questicle :p |
| 22:40.12 | DemoXin | me and my friend are leaning towards QRMod |
| 22:40.27 | TC_Working | i like questicle to.....and thats the problem |
| 22:40.29 | DemoXin | very well |
| 22:40.36 | DemoXin | questicle it is |
| 22:40.48 | TC_Working | i knew cogwheel|work shouldnt be allowed to talk on here |
| 22:40.48 | cogwheel|work | woot! |
| 22:41.52 | cogwheel|work | :'( |
| 22:41.56 | Kraze | is there some tutorial for the xml code for wow? I get the lua coding, but the xml coding throw me off |
| 22:43.34 | foxlit | Check http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTOs, some of them include XML |
| 22:43.41 | Kraze | or if I just want to stick with console, and not gui; I can just get by with those basic xml? |
| 22:44.33 | DemoXin | hey, the stuff that comes with the wow interface modding toolkit is fair game, right? |
| 22:44.50 | DemoXin | i want to steal the worldmap window |
| 22:44.58 | DemoXin | at least as a basis |
| 22:45.46 | Kraze | foxlit: those cover advanced topic, I just want a basic basic xml that load the lua portion |
| 22:45.49 | cogwheel|work | Kraze: http://fara.webeddie.com/frames/ it's a bit outdated but most of the info's still valid |
| 22:46.04 | cogwheel|work | Kraze: just load the lua directly from the .toc |
| 22:46.59 | Kraze | how can you load lua just from toc? tell me!!! |
| 22:47.07 | cogwheel|work | .... |
| 22:47.12 | foxlit | Just add .lua to the .toc :) |
| 22:47.20 | cogwheel|work | instead of MyAddon.xml, use MyAddon.lua |
| 22:47.46 | Kraze | haha.. I been stressing to figure out the xml from some of the mods I use, man... what a pain |
| 22:47.59 | Tierrie|Work | hey |
| 22:48.06 | Tierrie|Work | did you guys hear Anna Nicole is dead? |
| 22:48.12 | DemoXin | yep |
| 22:48.18 | DemoXin | she died a couple of hours ago |
| 22:48.29 | Shadowed | what a bother, Blizzard doesn't seem to call SetValue |
| 22:49.32 | DemoXin | wow, u guys are all so advanced... |
| 22:49.45 | DemoXin | ive never touched LUA or anything more than basic XML before |
| 22:49.49 | DemoXin | lol |
| 22:50.13 | Kraze | cogwheel|work: but how can you check event if you just load the lua? I mean, is just a bunch of functions |
| 22:50.27 | Shadowed | Theres no event for a color changing in a statusbar is there? I assume not since it's not listed on wiki |
| 22:50.36 | foxlit | You can CreateFrame a dummy and register things from there. |
| 22:51.06 | cogwheel|work | or you can use a library like Ace or Dongle |
| 22:51.48 | foxlit | Just out of interest, how big is the minimal version of ace components that would let me get a function called on a specific event? |
| 22:52.30 | cogwheel|work | let's just say I'd recommend dongle instead :P |
| 22:52.43 | Cide | foxlit: that sounds like a lot of overkill |
| 22:52.53 | Cide | I implemented that in CT_Library in <30 lines |
| 22:53.06 | cogwheel|work | Really, any library is overkill if that's all you're after |
| 22:53.09 | Kraze | foxlit: what do you mean by CreateFrame a dummy? |
| 22:53.12 | Cide | yep |
| 22:53.26 | foxlit | I know, I know. I just wanted to see how my 4.5kb implementation is faring in size. |
| 22:53.44 | cogwheel|work | Kraze: you create a frame in Lua instead of XML and register events on it |
| 22:53.52 | foxlit | local frameptr = CreateFrame("FRAME", nil, UIParent); |
| 22:54.13 | foxlit | frameptr:RegisterEvent("SOME_EVENT"); frameptr:SetScript("OnEvent", MyEventHandlerFunction); |
| 22:55.51 | Kraze | oh, ok. thanks for the help |
| 22:55.59 | cogwheel|work | foxlit & Kraze http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Coding_Tips#Nice_way_to_register_events_.28without_a_framework.29 that code snippet is really all you need |
| 22:57.11 | DemoXin | okay, back to my noobness again |
| 22:57.20 | Kraze | cogwheel|work: do I need to install ace and use it as a dependency if I do it that way? |
| 22:57.39 | DemoXin | i have an XML that creates the background for the World map, it has 12 tiles that make up the background, and cover the screen |
| 22:57.41 | cogwheel|work | no. The first snippet you see is unrelated to ace |
| 22:58.10 | DemoXin | what do i have to do to make wow open that UI component? |
| 22:58.20 | DemoXin | im not trying to set anything permanent at the moment |
| 22:58.28 | foxlit | Nah, I actually need a system that would dynamically register events / call functions based on what my code asks :) |
| 22:58.57 | cogwheel|work | ah |
| 22:59.45 | cogwheel|work | DemoXin: make sure it's anchored to some visible frame (UIParent, for instance) and located in a visible location |
| 23:00.07 | Karrion | hmm, wowi admins are a little slow today, my update's been pending for over a minute! O.o |
| 23:00.15 | cogwheel|work | frames are shown by default. If you don't see it, then it's either not on the screen, you didn't give it a size, etc. |
| 23:00.32 | cogwheel|work | Karrion: lol. took almost an hour to get MacroTalk approved this morning, and i had to beg cladhaire :P |
| 23:01.29 | DemoXin | okay, so when i make the toc file, and put it in the addon folder, when i start wow, all ill see is the world map background? |
| 23:02.04 | Karrion | hehe, must be pretty busy today, normally takes like 30 seconds before someone jumps on it ;-) |
| 23:02.29 | cogwheel|work | DemoXin: i guess i misunderstood |
| 23:02.43 | cogwheel|work | Karrion: actually, i think most of them are AWOL :P |
| 23:03.17 | Karrion | :-O |
| 23:08.37 | cladhaire | quit yer bitchin |
| 23:10.42 | Shadowed | Karrion: cairs afk thats why |
| 23:11.03 | TC_Working | we like bitching...gives meaning to our lives |
| 23:12.49 | Karrion | cladhaire: <3 |
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| 23:15.19 | TC_Working | ~piglatin well, i think someone had way to much time on their hands |
| 23:15.36 | DemoXin | what interface version are we on now? |
| 23:15.44 | Shadowed | 20003 I believe |
| 23:15.45 | Gryphen | topic |
| 23:15.50 | Shadowed | er 200003 |
| 23:15.53 | Gryphen | oh its gone |
| 23:15.58 | Shadowed | ~bonk Gryphen |
| 23:15.59 | purl | ACTION bonks Gryphen over the head |
| 23:16.04 | foxlit | What do I need to call getfenv() with to get the equivalent of _G for the local scope? |
| 23:16.08 | Gryphen | 20003 |
| 23:16.13 | foxlit | Say I had: |
| 23:16.35 | foxlit | local foo = "bar"; |
| 23:17.08 | foxlit | function meh(name) ... end |
| 23:17.23 | foxlit | Could I get to foo dynamically from meh? |
| 23:18.50 | DemoXin | im no lua coder, but it seems to me that if foo is a variable local to something that is outside of meh, that it would completely defeat the purpose of the local scope if meh could get its value |
| 23:19.21 | DemoXin | but like i said, im no lua coder, and local means something different in different languages |
| 23:19.58 | pastamancer | scoping in lua is lexical |
| 23:20.34 | DemoXin | alrighty, can i make my own hotkeys to open and close this UI? |
| 23:20.48 | DemoXin | with a .lua script that i put with the addon |
| 23:21.08 | foxlit | http://www.wowwiki.com/API search Binding |
| 23:29.48 | Karrion | heya |
| 23:29.53 | Karrion | ...mt >.< |
| 23:32.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh man, best nerf druids video ever: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kl0PQHT34_0 turn down your volume before watching this a bit, no this isn't any kinda shock video thing but it's kinda loud a little ways in :p |
| 23:32.19 | Shadowed | is there another event for when a mouse enters a frame besides OnEnter that I haven't heard of? |
| 23:33.19 | Corrodias | i don't suppose there's a way to send the command to cancel a druid shape aura and immediately following that send the command to shift into another form? |
| 23:33.28 | Shadowed | nope |
| 23:33.33 | Corrodias | using the buttons manually i have to wait for the server to tell me i'm out of the current form before i can shift again |
| 23:34.44 | DemoXin | couldnt u just use a macro and castbyname? |
| 23:34.59 | Shadowed | Can't use CastSpellByName anymore |
| 23:35.06 | DemoXin | ?! |
| 23:35.16 | DemoXin | they depreciated that? |
| 23:35.18 | Corrodias | man, DemoXin, where have you been? |
| 23:35.22 | Corrodias | welcome to 2.0 |
| 23:35.26 | Shadowed | Read the 2.0. change thread |
| 23:35.30 | DemoXin | wow |
| 23:35.44 | DemoXin | i never read the addon and macro stuff, cuz i never used them before 2.0 |
| 23:35.47 | Corrodias | i can /cast Flight Form, but it only works if i'm not currently in another form |
| 23:35.49 | Shadowed | this is confusing |
| 23:35.59 | DemoXin | i didnt even get a coord addon til a few days before bc came out |
| 23:36.02 | Corrodias | and my client refuses to actually /cast if it hasn't confirmed that i've left the previous form yet |
| 23:36.07 | Shadowed | dtframestack shows that a name plate has one frame, but that frame has no OnEnter event |
| 23:36.47 | DemoXin | can u just use a sleep type function on it |
| 23:36.48 | DemoXin | ? |
| 23:37.01 | Shadowed | theres no sleep for casting |
| 23:37.01 | Corrodias | a what |
| 23:37.06 | DemoXin | omg... |
| 23:37.09 | Shadowed | Sleep, as in a timer Corrodias |
| 23:37.14 | DemoXin | there's no Sleep()? |
| 23:37.17 | DemoXin | or Wait() |
| 23:37.21 | DemoXin | ? |
| 23:37.23 | Shadowed | correct |
| 23:37.25 | DemoXin | or anythign like that? |
| 23:37.32 | Corrodias | nope, never has been |
| 23:37.34 | DemoXin | wow... |
| 23:37.39 | DemoXin | thats kinda crappy... |
| 23:37.42 | Shadowed | Not really |
| 23:37.47 | DemoXin | even php has a Sleep() function |
| 23:37.48 | Shadowed | if there was a sleep you'd freeze the game client |
| 23:38.04 | DemoXin | for that duration it would block input, yeah |
| 23:38.27 | DemoXin | it would release it again once it finished runnig |
| 23:38.31 | Corrodias | what i especially don't like is that pressing the Flight Form button no longer shifts me out of my current form |
| 23:38.32 | DemoXin | running even |
| 23:38.48 | Shadowed | The UI is not threaded, meaning if one addon was to do a while( true ) loop then you'd freeze the game. |
| 23:38.55 | Corrodias | it used to be that i could hit one of the shift buttons and it would cancel my current form on the first press and cast the second form on the second press |
| 23:39.04 | Shadowed | Corrodias: you probably didn't update your shape shifting addon |
| 23:39.13 | Corrodias | i never had one |
| 23:39.27 | TC_Working | http://www.queenofwands.net/d/20041224.html |
| 23:39.29 | Shadowed | weird, i'm pretty sure the UI never did shapeshift casting |
| 23:39.33 | Shadowed | er, canceling |
| 23:39.44 | DemoXin | Shadowed: most scripting languages arent threaded, they really on the scripter to not do something r-tarded like that |
| 23:39.46 | Corrodias | i think with practice i can master the skill of switching to cat form and activating prowl before i hit the ground... |
| 23:39.59 | Shadowed | DemoXin you're missing the point |
| 23:40.23 | Shadowed | if they added a sleep command, you'd freeze the entire UI/game for the duration of the sleep. |
| 23:40.32 | DemoXin | eh |
| 23:41.08 | Corrodias | and ANOTHER thing |
| 23:41.13 | DemoXin | point is... |
| 23:41.16 | DemoXin | Questicle! |
| 23:41.21 | Corrodias | one thing that -really- pisses me off is when they check something on both the client side AND the server side |
| 23:41.27 | Corrodias | like being in range for spells/attacks |
| 23:41.51 | DemoXin | yeah |
| 23:42.01 | Corrodias | it occasionally happens that the server forgets to tell me about a mob's movements, so i can't attack it at all |
| 23:42.07 | DemoXin | being right next to a mob and being told im outta range is kinda piss offish |
| 23:42.12 | Shadowed | Thats mostly to reduce the checks done on the server i'd imagine |
| 23:42.19 | Corrodias | if my client thinks its in range, the server doesn't. if the server thinks it's in range, it doesn't matter because my client won't even try. |
| 23:42.39 | Shadowed | because it means that your client first has to be in range before it starts querying the server for it |
| 23:43.11 | Corrodias | that's... exactly what i just said |
| 23:43.38 | Shadowed | no, you said that you hate it because it checks both, i'm saying thats probably why they check both. |
| 23:43.54 | DemoXin | he was talking about what i said |
| 23:44.01 | DemoXin | cuz we said it at about the same time |
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| 23:44.48 | Shadowed | Kaso|: You haven't had to deal with mouse over name plates yet have you? |
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| 23:48.45 | DemoXin | anyone know how to make a treeview like there is in AH? |
| 23:50.09 | Shadowed | ohh I bet I know why it doesn't have an onenter/leave |
| 23:50.53 | cladhaire | Anyone know what the deal is with Simple Druid Bar versus DruidBar? |
| 23:51.15 | cladhaire | the former being avail at wowinterface, the latter being available (but not updated) at ui.worldofwar.net |
| 23:51.15 | cladhaire | different authors? |
| 23:52.27 | Tain | One is... no never mind, I'm not going to say it. |
| 23:52.41 | Shadowed | I was debating making that joke tain |
| 23:52.45 | Shadowed | seemed to easy |
| 23:52.52 | cladhaire | lol |
| 23:52.56 | cladhaire | bastages. |
| 23:53.02 | Tain | i r halpful |
| 23:53.48 | TC_Working | Captian Obvious |
| 23:53.51 | DemoXin | umm... |
| 23:53.55 | DemoXin | i know the difference |
| 23:53.59 | DemoXin | One's apparently simple |
| 23:54.03 | cladhaire | ~hail captain obvious! |
| 23:54.06 | purl | ACTION bows down to captain obvious! and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 23:54.06 | DemoXin | sry, i had to |
| 23:54.10 | Shadowed | alright so |
| 23:54.12 | cladhaire | DemoXin: No, you didn't. |
| 23:54.13 | cladhaire | =) |
| 23:54.17 | DemoXin | no, i really did |
| 23:54.25 | DemoXin | they wouldnt so, so i had to |
| 23:54.35 | cogwheel|work | One's infected with keyloggers? |
| 23:54.57 | cladhaire | lolz. |
| 23:55.13 | TC_Working | damit cog, stop spoiling the surprise |
| 23:55.15 | cladhaire | ok |
| 23:55.16 | cladhaire | druid addons |
| 23:55.19 | cladhaire | what shoudl i cover in the book |
| 23:55.21 | DemoXin | !piglatin DemoXin is awesomez0r |
| 23:55.24 | DemoXin | bah |
| 23:55.27 | DemoXin | ~piglatin DemoXin is awesomez0r |
| 23:55.36 | DemoXin | lol |
| 23:55.36 | Shadowed | Lets suppose I have Frame A and Button B, A is above B and gets all the mouse events. Is it possible to make OnEnter/OnLeave go to A, and OnClick go to B? Without calling a get or set script on B. |
| 23:55.38 | TC_Working | emo...lol |
| 23:55.39 | cladhaire | EmoXinday is right. |
| 23:55.59 | cladhaire | Shadowed: That depends, where are you going to find rubber pants at this hour? |
| 23:56.00 | *** join/#wowi-lounge raevanmorlock (i=raevanmo@ip70-162-70-30.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 23:56.01 | DemoXin | im an emo kid too, thats the baf part |
| 23:56.10 | TC_Working | ~emo |
| 23:56.30 | Tain | Remember emo kids, it's down the road, not across the street. |
| 23:56.33 | TC_Working | wow, purl downt have emo...i'm shocked |
| 23:56.37 | DemoXin | exactly |
| 23:56.44 | TC_Working | s/downt/doesnt/ |
| 23:57.09 | Tain | purl, are you emo? |
| 23:57.49 | raevanmorlock | s/a/e/ |
| 23:57.57 | Shadowed | cladhaire: It's the only solution I can think of to make Clique support work well :( |
| 23:58.21 | cladhaire | Shadowed: no, you can't pass an OnEnter through |
| 23:59.27 | Shadowed | I don't need to pass OnEnter/OnLeave, I need to pass OnClick |
| 23:59.27 | Shadowed | actually hrm |
| 23:59.28 | raevanmorlock | Don't hurt yourself |
| 23:59.45 | Shadowed | We can't do EnableMouse/DisableMouse in combat I assume? |
| 23:59.51 | Shadowed | on a secure template |
