| 00:00.05 | bleetah | KermitKiller: only if you can tell me how to dual-soundcard Vent in Wine ;) |
| 00:01.11 | Industrial | http://tinyurl.com/35cyl6 |
| 00:01.11 | bleetah | the only mic I have that's working, is on a headset with a broken earpiece.. I can get vent/TS to do dual soundcard magic in windows.. but.. yergh |
| 00:01.11 | KermitKiller | gamma was the first try at Auctioneer for me - just got into wow at the start of this year. |
| 00:01.11 | bleetah | there was a gamma build late last week that was bad bad bad bad mojo |
| 00:01.20 | KermitKiller | hmmmm - I pulled it down in January, and haven't updated since |
| 00:01.36 | bleetah | the gamma builds are updated nearly every day |
| 00:01.54 | KermitKiller | Does it work for multiple toons for you? Same data when you are in the auction house? |
| 00:02.03 | bleetah | yes |
| 00:02.06 | KermitKiller | I thought only Gatherer was in Gamma |
| 00:02.15 | KermitKiller | Auctioneer too, eh? |
| 00:04.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | i bet tomorrow is patch day :D |
| 00:04.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh wait |
| 00:04.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | no ptr |
| 00:05.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | it may be a really small patch then :x |
| 00:05.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | they were talking about fixing the imps and that needed more than a hotfix |
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| 00:05.42 | bleetah | maybe tomorrow is when the PTR comes up.. one can hope ;) |
| 00:05.46 | KermitKiller | I'll try clearing the snapshot DB and see how it goes - thanks for the advice. :D |
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| 00:22.35 | Thrae | Hey, some German gaming magazine wants my signed permission to include TinyTip in their magazine's DVD. That's pretty cool. |
| 00:22.46 | zenzelezz | awesome :) |
| 00:22.51 | Xuerian | o.0 |
| 00:22.58 | Xuerian | Sweeet :P |
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| 00:23.37 | Thrae | Of course, the only problem I have with it is the current TinyTip needs to be recoded...but eh. |
| 00:24.05 | bleetah | very cool of them to contact you |
| 00:24.15 | bleetah | ++ to 'some german gaming mag' |
| 00:24.25 | Thrae | PowerPlay is the magazine. |
| 00:24.59 | bleetah | if I had an email address of someone relevant, I'd fire them a short note congratulating them on their efforts :) |
| 00:25.43 | bleetah | although, no doubt they're just after your signature to absolve themselves of any problems end users may have, rather than just making sure the licenses are fine ;) |
| 00:26.06 | Cairenn | regardless, it's still a nice kudos to you |
| 00:26.17 | bleetah | indeedy do |
| 00:26.19 | bleetah | afk |
| 00:26.31 | Thrae | bleetah: The letter seems to be entirely about distribution liscences. |
| 00:27.11 | Thrae | Yeah, but with my luck, they'll also include some horrible addon compliation, and people will associate TinyTip with it ;) |
| 00:28.56 | Cairenn | legally they have to get your permission, since distribution is part of your copyright privileges |
| 00:30.29 | Cairenn | the kudos to you part is the fact they think highly enough of it to want to include it to begin with |
| 00:34.22 | Nom- | Level 52 and got a nice UI layout I like |
| 00:34.28 | Nom- | Successful night, I think :D |
| 00:40.16 | bleetah | yeah, I was unsure of what Thrae uses as a license, so I was unsure whether distribution permission was actually required |
| 00:40.30 | bleetah | OH NO! |
| 00:40.37 | bleetah | it's one of *those types* |
| 00:40.43 | Cairenn | if no license stated, full copyright protections implicit |
| 00:40.53 | bleetah | i know |
| 00:41.16 | bleetah | it was easier for me to just state what I said earlier, than tracking down the mod, downloading it, and taking a look |
| 00:41.31 | Cairenn | *nod* |
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| 00:42.17 | bleetah | grr @ thrae /msg'ing me when i didn't address a line to them :P |
| 00:55.11 | Nom- | mmm |
| 00:55.14 | Grem_Warsong | Is there a LUA function I can use to check if a certain addon is running? |
| 00:55.16 | Nom- | heroic loot is sexah |
| 00:55.18 | Nom- | Can't wait |
| 00:55.30 | Shadowed | Grem_Warsong: IsAddOnLoaded( "name" ) |
| 00:55.34 | Shadowed | name is the folder name of the addon |
| 00:55.34 | Grem_Warsong | Thanks |
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| 00:58.49 | Tain | A little single malt scotch is good to clear up a cold, right? Yeah, I'm pretty sure. |
| 00:59.48 | Cairenn | a little single malt scotch is good for anything |
| 00:59.51 | pastamancer | Tain: single malt cures all that ails you |
| 01:00.19 | Tain | I already had to show ID and sign a log book in order to buy over the counter cold medicinen. |
| 01:00.30 | Cairenn | lol |
| 01:00.33 | bleetah | irish coffes the best. the coffee keeps you awake, the whisky clears the head. |
| 01:00.35 | pastamancer | yeah, that's some crazy stuff |
| 01:00.44 | pastamancer | it's easier to buy booze than sudafed |
| 01:00.45 | Cairenn | stupid US and their stupid codeine paranoia |
| 01:00.48 | bleetah | and irish >> scotch any day |
| 01:01.03 | Tain | Just become some soccer moms were making speed in the bathtub. Or something. |
| 01:01.08 | Cairenn | bah! bloody irish ruining good scotch by mixing it |
| 01:01.20 | pastamancer | islay malts are where it's at |
| 01:01.35 | Tain | Ack yeah I'll take a nice scotch over that watered down Irish stuff any day! |
| 01:01.51 | Cairenn | I've had some good islays ... I've had some really really REALLY bad ones, too, though |
| 01:01.57 | bleetah | um, you do realise most scotches aren't real scotches because of the stuff they put in it so the north americans don't get offended at the change of texture? |
| 01:02.13 | pastamancer | lagavaulin is my islay of choice, nice and smoky |
| 01:02.17 | bleetah | lol, just sounds like you folks haven't had a real irish whiskey :P |
| 01:02.32 | Cairenn | bleetah: you do realize that most of us that are talking about good single malts aren't talking about the US stuff |
| 01:02.33 | Tain | Actually I am pretty sure I haven't had a real irish whiskey. |
| 01:02.57 | Cairenn | and actually a really good true irish whiskey is very very nice too ;) |
| 01:03.00 | bleetah | Cairenn: totally... and my statement still stands :P |
| 01:03.01 | Tain | But yeah, what Cairenn said. I wouldn't drink that swill that gets made at some pig farmer's barn in Kentucky. |
| 01:03.16 | bleetah | I meant the scotch made in scotland for export |
| 01:03.21 | bleetah | not the junk made IN the US |
| 01:03.30 | Tain | Oh yeah of course. |
| 01:03.59 | Cairenn | Rum, Rye, Whiskey, Scotch, Vodka - good ones are good |
| 01:04.12 | Cairenn | and if it's a good one ... it's all good :) |
| 01:04.24 | Tain | Give me Glenmorangie any day! |
| 01:04.41 | Cairenn | Oban is nice |
| 01:06.09 | Cairenn | although I still don't recommend drinking 12-16 oz of *any* of them in 1/2 hr with no food |
| 01:07.17 | Cairenn | (no, I still don't know *exactly* how much I had that night, just that the bottle was a lot emptier after I finished than before I started) |
| 01:07.21 | Tain | :) |
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| 01:19.10 | Cairenn | purl, hug JoshBorke |
| 01:19.22 | purl | ACTION hugs JoshBorke tightly until JoshBorke turns slightly blue |
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| 01:21.12 | JoshBorke | purl, hug Cairenn |
| 01:21.17 | purl | ACTION jumps into Cairenn's lap and huggles and *hugs* Cairenn |
| 01:21.26 | JoshBorke | :-) |
| 01:21.36 | JoshBorke | my fiancee when home :-( |
| 01:21.45 | JoshBorke | she visited me for a few hours today. it was nice |
| 01:21.56 | Cairenn | awww |
| 01:22.05 | Cairenn | she'll be back |
| 01:22.16 | JoshBorke | we practically lived together for 4 years and now we have to spend time apart |
| 01:22.30 | Tain | Damn. I'm getting soft in my old age. I had a lewd comment about her all typed up and I erased it. |
| 01:25.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | this just in |
| 01:25.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2005/03/09/ani_wombat_gallery__550x393.jpg |
| 01:25.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | wombats are awesome |
| 01:26.08 | JoshBorke | rofl |
| 01:31.16 | Nom- | Anyone tried running scholo with level 70's yet? |
| 01:31.18 | Nom- | Is it a cakewalk ? |
| 01:31.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | it was a cakewalk at 60 |
| 01:31.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | when the new talents came out |
| 01:31.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm sure anyone at 70 could solo it |
| 01:32.07 | Nom- | heh |
| 01:32.11 | Nom- | i'm talking about power rep grinding |
| 01:32.22 | Nom- | Naxx attunement ftw...we're going to run it for the hell of it |
| 01:32.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | the hardest part is the zit zombies |
| 01:32.41 | kaso | i think you're over-estimating Mr_Rabies2, i know for sure as a priest i wouldnt stand a chance |
| 01:32.49 | Nom- | You think 3-4 pallies could farm the crap out of that? |
| 01:32.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | pallies would wreck that place silly |
| 01:33.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | sure you could kaso, with clever mind control and shackling |
| 01:33.25 | Nom- | lol |
| 01:33.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | the hard part would be the AoE undead which is the same for anyone but a mage |
| 01:33.34 | Nom- | We've got a shadowpriest in guild who was MTing Scholo |
| 01:33.44 | Nom- | That was at level 60 |
| 01:34.19 | kaso | No matter how much you shackle your gonna be looking at some pulls where you have more than three mobs beating down on you, your shield lasts for maybe 6 seconds then your dead, you cant dps while getting hit on |
| 01:35.15 | Nom- | That's true, indeed |
| 01:35.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | you can probably two or three shot most of the elites there |
| 01:35.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | unless you're holy |
| 01:35.32 | bleetah | I believe Neth made a post in the forums that MC scales to the highest level player so that, whilst you don't need a 'standard' group size when you're all 70's, you also won't have a very small group either. I'd be suprised if Naxx were different. |
| 01:35.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | in which case you shouldn't expect to be able to solo anything |
| 01:35.49 | pastamancer | it wasn't hard to MT scholo/strath as a shadow priest pre-TBC |
| 01:35.54 | Nom- | bleetah: It doesn't scale |
| 01:36.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | i think that was a bug, iirc |
| 01:36.09 | bleetah | so, i wonder what Neth was on about then |
| 01:36.12 | zenzelezz | bleetah: a 70 guildie of mine said he entered MC and the trash was 62 |
| 01:36.19 | kaso | The resists/misses scale, there was a blue post about it |
| 01:36.24 | kaso | on skull bosses |
| 01:36.28 | Nom- | The boss damage stays the same, but the hit/miss/parry/crushing blows work as if the boss is 3 levels above you |
| 01:36.44 | Nom- | So it's a LOT easier at 70 regardless |
| 01:36.48 | bleetah | rightio, so some scaling... is that just MC, or all the pre-BC instances? |
| 01:36.58 | Nom- | all skull bosses are like that |
| 01:37.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | hp too? |
| 01:37.07 | kaso | Not hp |
| 01:37.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm gonna go try it on vancleef |
| 01:37.08 | Nom- | hitpoints are the same too |
| 01:37.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | :p |
| 01:37.17 | kaso | vancleef isnt a skullboss |
| 01:37.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh you're right |
| 01:37.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | they don't get skull until |
| 01:37.26 | kaso | the lowest skullboss is in ulderman |
| 01:37.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | herod |
| 01:37.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | i think |
| 01:37.41 | Nom- | It's just normally being 10 levels above a mob would mean they hit you for nothing, but skull bosses will still hit you for the same amount as they used to |
| 01:37.50 | Nom- | No, Herod is levelled too |
| 01:37.53 | kaso | herod is plain old 40+ |
| 01:38.00 | Nom- | They don't go skull until UBRS |
| 01:38.07 | Nom- | In fact no |
| 01:38.08 | Nom- | Not even that |
| 01:38.15 | Nom- | ZG/AQ20 are the first Skull bosses afaik |
| 01:38.15 | kaso | Theres a skull in ulderman Nom- |
| 01:38.26 | Nom- | kaso: Summoned boss? |
| 01:38.42 | kaso | i forget which it is, but its one of the standard 46ish mobs |
| 01:38.46 | kaso | lemme look it up |
| 01:38.53 | Nom- | I don't think so :) |
| 01:39.03 | Nom- | I've run Uldaman the other day and there were no skulls |
| 01:39.12 | pastamancer | ironya |
| 01:39.37 | pastamancer | the giant stone chick you summon with the staff parts |
| 01:39.54 | Nom- | Yeah, summoned boss |
| 01:40.21 | Nom- | I wanted to get the thingy to summon her actually |
| 01:40.40 | Nom- | not worth it now at 52 i suppose |
| 01:41.56 | kaso | ok, it seems Archaedas has been un-skulled, but he was at some point |
| 01:43.20 | Nom- | Yeah, he's definately not now |
| 01:45.03 | kaso | Drakki was Skulled to, but i guess he could have changed too |
| 01:45.05 | Nom- | Ironaya seems to be 40+ now too |
| 01:45.10 | kaso | been a while since i ran it |
| 01:45.24 | Nom- | The last ?? or BOSS kill of Ironaya was ages ago |
| 01:45.32 | Nom- | She's 40+ now according to thott |
| 01:46.51 | Nom- | Is there any way to loop through the item cache per chance? |
| 01:47.11 | Nom- | Like if I wanted to write a mod which (just before UI shutdown) loaded all the items in the item cache and saved them into an LUA file ? |
| 01:47.36 | Nom- | I'd *rather* not do it while the game is running to save memory |
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| 01:48.08 | kaso | You can just try to GetItemInfo on them, if theyre in the local cache itll work if not it wont |
| 01:49.17 | Nom- | bah I might just have to find that code which parses the itemcache, that's more sensible for the stupid stuff i want to do :D |
| 01:49.37 | Corrodias | indeed, Nom-, Saeris's LootLink parses the itemcache for items on startup |
| 01:52.02 | Corrodias | so what you guys are saying is that i shouldn't expect to be able to solo Rag? |
| 01:52.33 | axxo | lol |
| 01:52.33 | kaso | ha, unless you're a warlock |
| 01:59.34 | WobWork | argh |
| 01:59.46 | WobWork | Has anyone used the svnperms.py precommit script in SVN? |
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| 02:06.37 | Dsanai | Hi peoples :) |
| 02:07.04 | Cairenn | hi |
| 02:07.41 | Dsanai | How have you been, Cair? :) |
| 02:09.43 | Tain | I heard a new funny joke today. |
| 02:09.52 | Tain | Knock Knock! |
| 02:10.00 | Kirov | Who's Not There! |
| 02:10.11 | Dsanai | <double-bolts the door> |
| 02:10.15 | Tain | awwww come on! |
| 02:10.23 | Dsanai | <sigh> Who's there? |
| 02:10.27 | Tain | Europe! |
| 02:10.32 | Dsanai | Europe who? |
| 02:10.34 | Tain | No, YOU'RE a poo! |
| 02:10.42 | Dsanai | <eyes Tain> |
| 02:11.07 | Tain | I love that joke! |
| 02:11.41 | Dsanai | Yes, but you peed in a sandbox. ;) |
| 02:12.01 | Tain | Would you rather on the rug? |
| 02:15.37 | Kirov | A man walks in to a bar and sits down. He sees a sign next to a room with a curtain over the doorway saying "Make the Donkey Laugh, Get Free Beer". The man stands up, walks in to the room, then shortly after walks out and the donkey inside the room is laughing like mad. The bartender is surprised at this as no one else has ever managed to get the donkey to laugh, but gives the man the beer anyways. The next day the same man walks in to the bar and th |
| 02:16.10 | Kirov | and on that note, goodnight |
| 02:16.20 | bleetah | i'll finish the joke off |
| 02:16.26 | Tain | You got cut off but I believe the punchline is, "I showed him." |
| 02:16.27 | bleetah | the sign says 'make donkey cry, get free beer'.. and of course the guy does |
| 02:16.44 | bleetah | next time guy goes in, competition is 'what did that guy do' |
| 02:16.57 | Kirov | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:17.03 | Kirov | The man smiles, "I proved it." |
| 02:17.07 | Kirov | there |
| 02:17.20 | bleetah | i think there's still a sentence or two missing hehe |
| 02:17.43 | axxo | think nobody cares about his stupid joke |
| 02:17.47 | Tain | I found out today how to make my penis 8 inches! |
| 02:17.50 | Tain | I just fold it in half. |
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| 02:28.05 | Mobeater | good eveing everyone |
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| 02:42.32 | JoshBorke | is the author of HotCandy hery? |
| 02:42.34 | JoshBorke | erm, here? |
| 02:42.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | hot coffee |
| 02:43.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | >_> |
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| 03:00.11 | Nom- | heh |
| 03:00.22 | Nom- | i can get the item names from my itemcache, but nothing else :( |
| 03:04.36 | Nom- | ahah! score |
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| 03:28.59 | cogwheel | ~seen Neuro_medivh |
| 03:29.27 | purl | neuro_medivh <i=Neuro@pool-71-96-131-189.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 8d 35m 53s ago, saying: 'does any addon add the large numbers to Bartender's buttons? I know it worked in TBC beta, but ever since release it hasn't worked'. |
| 03:43.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | welp |
| 03:43.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | i just logged in |
| 03:43.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | and EVERY SINGLE ONE of my action buttons was moonfire |
| 03:43.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | for like 3 seconds |
| 03:47.11 | WobWork | rofl |
| 03:47.29 | WobWork | Blizzard's new suggested oomkin spec |
| 03:48.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | liiink |
| 03:48.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh |
| 03:48.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | wait |
| 03:48.19 | WobWork | =P |
| 03:48.21 | WobWork | You =P |
| 03:48.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm tired, i thought they updated the class pages or something |
| 04:26.38 | WobWork | meh, |
| 04:26.52 | WobWork | no matter how many of the svn clients I try, I keep coming back to TortoiseSVN |
| 04:27.09 | WobWork | The ability to drag/drop folders to move is really useful |
| 04:30.34 | bleetah | I must agree that I deeply miss file manager integration on *nix for SVN. Sure, CLI is dang powerful, but to type a whole bunch of crap out when I want to move just a couple of folders/files around is just outstanding |
| 04:31.11 | bleetah | i think I saw some plugin for nautilus... but that says enough about it's usage potential... might have to look into something for Thunar |
| 04:31.23 | norgs | bleetah: you're a big whiney baby :p |
| 04:31.35 | bleetah | norgs: shut your face |
| 04:31.37 | bleetah | :P |
| 04:31.40 | norgs | hehe |
| 04:31.54 | bleetah | rather be a whiney baby than a banana bender :P |
| 04:32.36 | norgs | i miss my command line svn when i have to use windows |
| 04:32.42 | Cairenn | now now children, behave |
| 04:33.16 | Mikma | yes mommy |
| 04:34.02 | Cairenn | keep your "aussie" vs "nz" elsewhere ;) |
| 04:34.11 | bleetah | WTF?! |
| 04:34.14 | Mikma | ah haha |
| 04:34.21 | bleetah | who you calling a sheep lubba? |
| 04:34.30 | norgs | lol @ bleetah - so owned! |
| 04:34.47 | bleetah | meh |
| 04:34.53 | Cairenn | *grin* |
| 04:34.56 | bleetah | shouldn't expect anything better from canadarians, I guess |
| 04:35.02 | Cairenn | lol |
| 04:35.38 | WobWork | rofl =P |
| 04:35.43 | bleetah | I will say this for the shepp lubbas tho, they had the sense to go nuclear free |
| 04:36.01 | WobWork | sex pecks uf fush n chups? |
| 04:36.21 | bleetah | tusty, rul tusty thut |
| 04:36.36 | Cairenn | oi, I'm not supposed to allow stuff like this in here, but damned if you guys aren't making me laugh |
| 04:36.57 | norgs | (bleetah is a new south welshman, not a new zealander) |
| 04:37.08 | bleetah | heh, odd thing is.. aussies and kiwis pretty much do this all the time to each other and are rarely offended |
| 04:37.14 | WobWork | I have to admit I love hearing the kiwi accent |
| 04:37.18 | bleetah | it's only other nationalities who seem to get upset by the behaviour |
| 04:37.19 | Cairenn | oh, right, I forgot, silly me |
| 04:37.22 | WobWork | But I have a thing for accents |
| 04:37.26 | bleetah | Tasmanian |
| 04:37.41 | norgs | O.o RLY? |
| 04:37.41 | bleetah | which i don't admit to often.. like when the two head jokes are going around, my parents are from the mainland |
| 04:37.47 | WobWork | New Zealand is gods proof that Tasmanians can swim. |
| 04:37.58 | bleetah | and as my uncle said, the the cats had kittens in the kennel, you wouldn't call them puppies |
| 04:38.08 | bleetah | WobWork: no, that's Melbourne |
| 04:38.17 | WobWork | They can't get out of the hole =P |
| 04:38.28 | bleetah | That's just Launceston |
| 04:38.40 | WobWork | They tried it, but the event was cancelled due to rain =) |
| 04:38.47 | Cairenn | the only time I crack down on it is when it is being malicious, joking around with neither side taking offense I have no problem with |
| 04:39.22 | bleetah | anything north of New Town Creek is just .. well, it's not populated by humans, I can tell you that much |
| 04:39.24 | WobWork | taking the piss is a national pastime =) |
| 04:39.25 | Karrion | bah, rain in Melbourne never lasts long enough to cancel anything |
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| 04:39.54 | bleetah | Cairenn: what WobWork said, hence many foreigners don't understand the Aussie/Kiwi humor, and get quite offended watching the banter between us |
| 04:39.56 | Cairenn | and most of the countries that are/were part of the BCW have no problem with poking each other |
| 04:40.13 | Cairenn | *I* understand it just fine, I'm a Canuck |
| 04:40.17 | WobWork | BCW? |
| 04:40.31 | Cairenn | see immediately preceding statement |
| 04:40.40 | Cairenn | British Commonwealth |
| 04:40.41 | norgs | Brittish Commonwealth? |
| 04:40.45 | WobWork | ah =) |
| 04:40.47 | norgs | -t |
| 04:40.58 | bleetah | Cairenn: true that... it was interesting when the Queen Mum died, to note the number of people who were 'Well, the family may be crazy, but at least they're not like the Bush family" |
| 04:41.13 | WobWork | Everything is relative =) |
| 04:41.13 | Cairenn | :( |
| 04:41.26 | Cairenn | She was the bestestestest ever |
| 04:41.30 | bleetah | which was to say: at least they have no real power |
| 04:41.34 | Cairenn | I bawled like a baby the day she died |
| 04:41.47 | WobWork | Although that's how we elect prime ministers... "At least he's not <x>" |
| 04:41.56 | bleetah | she was rather nice, even if some of it was total media manipulation. they had to do it to survive WW2 |
| 04:42.01 | WobWork | (s/Prime Ministers/government parties/) |
| 04:42.22 | Cairenn | No, that lady had real class |
| 04:42.27 | bleetah | we don't elect the PM, tho.. which is even weirder |
| 04:42.48 | bleetah | we elect a bunch of morons who then elect the most moronic to lead then in the parliament... go figure ;) |
| 04:42.49 | norgs | while we're at it, s/Parlimentarians/Wankers/ |
| 04:42.50 | WobWork | I'd vote for Big Kev if he were still alive |
| 04:43.04 | Cairenn | heh, I'll second that one Norgs |
| 04:43.05 | WobWork | He's excited! |
| 04:43.16 | bleetah | When Richard Butler got kicked from being the governor here, there was a small movement to get Peter Cundal installed |
| 04:43.27 | Cairenn | and yes, that's the same way it works here, you vote in the party, they choose their own leader from within |
| 04:43.29 | bleetah | (the old guy from the ABC gardening program) |
| 04:44.05 | norgs | (not the American ABC, the Austraian one) |
| 04:44.11 | norgs | +l |
| 04:44.12 | bleetah | well, der fred |
| 04:44.14 | norgs | sheesh |
| 04:44.14 | WobWork | oh man |
| 04:44.19 | WobWork | I'd listen to him all day |
| 04:44.29 | WobWork | he'd make a great politician |
| 04:44.42 | bleetah | he does a weekly radio show down here too... and occsionally bump into him at the botanical gardens |
| 04:44.44 | norgs | He'd talk all day |
| 04:44.45 | WobWork | "Andh if you water these Greens well..." |
| 04:44.58 | bleetah | he's trying to speak up against the pulp mill up north, but the ABC are gagging him a little |
| 04:45.07 | WobWork | That'd be an effort =) |
| 04:45.15 | bleetah | because.. apparently.. there's a conflict of interest between how to grow tomatos nice, and the quality of air you breathe |
| 04:45.19 | WobWork | He's got an interesting accent/slur in his voice |
| 04:45.26 | WobWork | not something you can effectively write down |
| 04:45.29 | Cairenn | I love accents |
| 04:45.42 | WobWork | It's why I <3 Nigella Lawson |
| 04:45.57 | bleetah | it's a dialect from England, I think maybe Cornwall |
| 04:45.59 | WobWork | Cause a woman with an accent like that, who lookslike that... |
| 04:46.01 | WobWork | who can cook... |
| 04:46.04 | norgs | A totally awesome dude... unfortunatly i think he'd last about 0.5 seconds in politics. |
| 04:46.20 | bleetah | oO he's a manchester lad! |
| 04:46.20 | Cairenn | too honest? |
| 04:46.30 | bleetah | far far far too honest and compassionate |
| 04:46.39 | Cairenn | he'd be eaten alive |
| 04:46.50 | bleetah | he'd be like the grandfather you wish you had if you never had one (or had a crappy one) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Cundall |
| 04:46.56 | Thunder_Child | kinda sag.."your nice...nope you cant run a country" |
| 04:47.01 | Thunder_Child | s/sag/sad/ |
| 04:47.31 | bleetah | oo, i never knew he had been a communist |
| 04:47.43 | bleetah | but then again, around that time, it was estimated about 60% of aussies were really commies |
| 04:49.11 | bleetah | yeah, he'd never survive in politics, which is why people wanted to see him as Governor... |
| 04:49.21 | bleetah | time for me to go see the quack... later folks |
| 04:49.26 | norgs | unfortunatly it's true... in order to be a politician, you need to be able to lie, cheat, steal and walk over people. in order to be a good politician, you need to be able to do it with a smile and a good deal of sleight of hand |
| 04:50.59 | Cairenn | I still wish I could immigrate to au or nz |
| 04:51.11 | Cairenn | later bleetah |
| 04:51.55 | Cairenn | unfortunately hubby is now "too old" to be happily accepted |
| 04:52.16 | Cairenn | dumbass didn't apply when we first started talking about it |
| 04:52.22 | Thunder_Child | they have age limits for imigration? |
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| 04:59.26 | Ameena | Hello? |
| 04:59.30 | Cairenn | hi |
| 04:59.33 | Ameena | Umm |
| 04:59.38 | Ameena | Im looking to Start WoW |
| 04:59.39 | Thunder_Child | hello Amune|AB |
| 04:59.41 | Ameena | >.>; |
| 04:59.49 | Thunder_Child | hello Ameena* |
| 05:00.01 | Ameena | Haha its okay everyone messes up my name |
| 05:00.20 | Thunder_Child | it's the TAB fucntion in irc |
| 05:00.28 | Thunder_Child | function* |
| 05:01.05 | Ameena | I dunno whats a good starting class. |
| 05:01.09 | Ameena | for beginners. |
| 05:01.18 | Ameena | I bet everyones like: OMG GFTO NOOB |
| 05:01.26 | haste | no, not really |
| 05:01.30 | Thunder_Child | hardly |
| 05:01.34 | Ameena | ^_^; |
| 05:01.35 | Thunder_Child | we were all noobs once |
| 05:01.37 | Shadowed | we get slapped if that happens |
| 05:01.45 | Ameena | I'd whip you *smirk* |
| 05:01.46 | Nom- | purl: slap Shadowed |
| 05:01.49 | purl | ACTION slaps Shadowed, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 05:01.51 | Thunder_Child | well some of us more than once *cough cough* |
| 05:01.52 | Shadowed | purl: kill Nom- |
| 05:01.54 | purl | ACTION shoots a magneto-ionized tachyon gun at Nom- |
| 05:02.05 | Ameena | xD |
| 05:02.12 | Ameena | Well whats a good class to start off as |
| 05:02.14 | Ameena | I mean Iv got the game |
| 05:02.25 | Shadowed | What do you want to do, PvE, PVP, heal, tank or damag e:p |
| 05:02.27 | Cairenn | what class interests you when you read the write up on them |
| 05:02.30 | Ameena | I just needa top up.. |
| 05:02.31 | Thunder_Child | i would reccomend whatever you think you would enjoy |
| 05:02.37 | Ameena | Umm I like being in parties |
| 05:02.43 | Ameena | and Im more of a social person |
| 05:02.45 | Shadowed | er, PvE or PVP. and heal, tank or damage |
| 05:02.58 | Ameena | so probably a more evasive character |
| 05:03.03 | Ameena | who wouldnt get hurt as much |
| 05:03.10 | Ameena | while I talk? |
| 05:03.25 | Shadowed | mmmm |
| 05:03.40 | Shadowed | If you want to do a little bit of everything, you can't go wrong with a Paladin, Druid or a Priest |
| 05:03.49 | Ameena | Hmm |
| 05:03.49 | Nom- | Hybrids FTW :D |
| 05:03.56 | Nom- | Paladin FTW :D |
| 05:03.59 | Ameena | Yeah, I played Flyff before >.>; |
| 05:04.00 | Shadowed | sorry, or shaman |
| 05:04.07 | Ameena | and umm was a Hybrid Psychiper(like a druid) |
| 05:04.09 | Thunder_Child | evasive....maybe shapesifted dru |
| 05:04.23 | norgs | A druid is actually a pretty good choice |
| 05:04.27 | Thunder_Child | sry cant type properly while dieing |
| 05:04.31 | Nom- | Well |
| 05:04.37 | Nom- | Paladin is more a set and forget class |
| 05:04.37 | Shadowed | a hybrids probably your best bet for a first class since you'll be able to find out what you want to do more |
| 05:04.46 | Nom- | With Rogue/Druid you really need to be there using the specials |
| 05:04.54 | Shadowed | not really |
| 05:04.56 | Ameena | hmm.. |
| 05:04.58 | Shadowed | Rogues you can afk half of the time |
| 05:05.06 | Shadowed | but they aren't hybrids |
| 05:05.08 | Ameena | >.> awesome |
| 05:05.33 | Nom- | haha you can afk while you're stealthed...i wouldn't afk while fighting...need to build those combo points for 5 point evis |
| 05:05.35 | Thunder_Child | pfft, pallies are even bigger afk'ers |
| 05:05.42 | Shadowed | true |
| 05:05.45 | Shadowed | but paladins are hybrids |
| 05:05.47 | Nom- | Pally you just need to press a seal every 30 seconds |
| 05:05.55 | Ameena | My friend is A Paladin |
| 05:05.57 | Shadowed | not if you plan on judging seals :p |
| 05:05.57 | Nom- | and you just stand there hitting them :D |
| 05:05.59 | Ameena | and I dont like how slow he is.. |
| 05:06.02 | Thunder_Child | i read a book lvling my pally to 60 |
| 05:06.03 | Shadowed | haha |
| 05:06.07 | Shadowed | Druid sounds like your best bet |
| 05:06.13 | norgs | Rogues are very frenetic while in combat however |
| 05:06.31 | Nom- | Well this is my view towards the hybrids: |
| 05:06.39 | norgs | Druids are also quite busy in combat |
| 05:06.51 | Thunder_Child | but they dont have to be |
| 05:06.53 | Ameena | Whats a Shaman do BTW? |
| 05:07.00 | Nom- | Paladin = Tanking > Healing, Druids = DPS > Healing, Priest = Healing > DPS |
| 05:07.18 | Nom- | Shaman, in my head sits in between Paladin and Druid somewhere |
| 05:07.28 | Shadowed | Shamans are hybrids and can either heal or DPS |
| 05:07.38 | Shadowed | Shamans are closer to Priests Nom |
| 05:07.43 | Ameena | What would be a good race for the Druid then? |
| 05:07.53 | Shadowed | you don't have much choice |
| 05:07.56 | Nom- | Well depends what side you're on :) |
| 05:08.02 | Ameena | I saw |
| 05:08.03 | Ameena | x_x |
| 05:08.04 | Shadowed | if you're horde, you can be tauren, if you're alliance you could be night elf |
| 05:08.08 | Nom- | If you've got friends playing Horde, go Tauren |
| 05:08.17 | Nom- | IF you've got friends playing Alliance, go Night Elf |
| 05:08.29 | Ameena | My friend is a Night elf.. so I might become a Paladin :/ |
| 05:08.39 | Ameena | Cause he is a Druid. |
| 05:08.42 | Nom- | Do you have the expansion? |
| 05:08.59 | Ameena | Ya |
| 05:09.09 | Nom- | Cool, so you've got choices :) |
| 05:09.11 | Ameena | Draenei look cool ^^; |
| 05:09.28 | norgs | Draenei starting area is really good too |
| 05:09.31 | WobWork | hehe |
| 05:09.36 | Ameena | ^_^ |
| 05:09.37 | Nom- | bah @ alliance |
| 05:09.38 | WobWork | 5 point evisc is a trap =P |
| 05:09.39 | Ameena | so many classes |
| 05:09.54 | norgs | much better than doing the 2 area hop back in the other starting areas |
| 05:10.00 | Ameena | The reason I probably didnt know about this game until now is because iv been stuck in south africa |
| 05:10.06 | Nom- | Well, Ameena, when you hit level 70, this is what it comes down to... |
| 05:10.08 | Ameena | and only just got back into NZL |
| 05:10.12 | Nom- | Warrior = Tank |
| 05:10.17 | Nom- | Paladin, Shaman, Priest, Druid = Healer |
| 05:10.39 | WobWork | Welcome back to the antipodes =) |
| 05:10.48 | Nom- | Rogue, Mage = DPS |
| 05:10.49 | Ameena | Hmm |
| 05:10.56 | Ameena | I think.. |
| 05:10.58 | norgs | Warlock? |
| 05:11.02 | Nom- | Warlock = DPS :) |
| 05:11.05 | Ameena | I should go healer |
| 05:11.07 | Nom- | And I'm missing one more too lol |
| 05:11.10 | Thunder_Child | lock = high DPS |
| 05:11.11 | Ameena | I mean wouldnt it be easier healing? |
| 05:11.16 | Nom- | Hunter = DPS |
| 05:11.30 | norgs | Hunter = Funny |
| 05:11.31 | WobWork | Ameena: to a certain degree |
| 05:11.34 | Nom- | Being a healer at level 70 (when raiding) requires a lot of concentration |
| 05:11.40 | WobWork | healnig can be tough with our latency |
| 05:11.44 | Nom- | ie. You can't afk...you really gotta be there or people die |
| 05:11.53 | Ameena | Ouch |
| 05:12.12 | Ameena | This games like huge x_x |
| 05:12.17 | norgs | When people die, the raid wipes and people point the fingers at.... the healers |
| 05:12.31 | Ameena | >>;; the only reason I got it cause my friend said you could ride elephants and I love elephants |
| 05:12.34 | norgs | (and the warlock who didn't put up SS) |
| 05:12.36 | Nom- | Indeed |
| 05:12.46 | Nom- | Ameena: You can...Dranei |
| 05:12.48 | Ameena | *elephant fantic D: * |
| 05:12.52 | Thunder_Child | ...they point fingers at the healers anyways |
| 05:13.12 | Nom- | In my honest opinion though, for a first character, go Hunter or Warlock |
| 05:13.17 | Nom- | You have a MUCH easier time levelling |
| 05:13.18 | haste | You know what my guild does? |
| 05:13.27 | haste | /roll 40, and blams that person |
| 05:13.28 | Ameena | Hunters = archers? |
| 05:13.33 | norgs | Any class can ride the elephant though with rep, right? |
| 05:13.42 | WobWork | yeah |
| 05:13.44 | norgs | Hunters also have pets |
| 05:13.52 | Ameena | COOL!! |
| 05:13.53 | Nom- | Ameena: Guns and Bows, yes. They can use melee weapons, but all their damage is from Bows and Guns (and their pets) |
| 05:13.55 | WobWork | although I don't know if you can tame elephants |
| 05:13.57 | Ameena | >.> |
| 05:14.10 | Ameena | D: I love elephants |
| 05:14.29 | norgs | hehe |
| 05:14.40 | Ameena | I need a cool Name for the game |
| 05:14.47 | Ameena | nothing to pansy sounding |
| 05:14.53 | Ameena | what about: Alaphant |
| 05:14.53 | Ameena | >.>; |
| 05:15.32 | Thunder_Child | well likeing elephants would prolly come in handy in south africa |
| 05:16.07 | Ameena | Yeah ^^; |
| 05:16.11 | Ameena | Im originally form NZL |
| 05:16.20 | Ameena | but my parents decided to move there for 5 months |
| 05:17.00 | Nom- | http://www.thottbot.com/?ce=Hunter <-- that's all the pets you can tame |
| 05:17.03 | Ameena | I like the name: Aqeth |
| 05:17.04 | Nom- | as a hunter |
| 05:17.06 | Ameena | anyone? |
| 05:17.31 | Ameena | Ya |
| 05:17.45 | Ameena | Said: A-keth |
| 05:18.19 | Thunder_Child | well names are fairly personable unless you are going specific |
| 05:18.30 | Thunder_Child | err..personal |
| 05:18.43 | Ameena | Hmm |
| 05:19.08 | Ameena | well, I'll be back in a bit |
| 05:19.17 | Ameena | going to go get a WoW topup x_x |
| 05:21.17 | *** topic/#wowi-lounge by Cairenn -> Paste Code Here: http://wowi.pastey.net/ | ARCHITECT, n. |
| 05:21.17 | Cairenn | grrrrr |
| 05:22.08 | *** topic/#wowi-lounge by Cairenn -> Paste Code Here: http://wowi.pastey.net/ | ARCHITECT, n. One who drafts a plan of your house, and plans a draft of your money. |
| 05:22.08 | WobWork | The archytekt sketch! |
| 05:23.11 | jaxdahl | i thought an architect was the one that made the matrix |
| 05:23.39 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn, we really need to work on your selection of random quotes |
| 05:23.52 | Cairenn | meh |
| 05:23.53 | Nom- | lol |
| 05:23.58 | Cairenn | whatever catches my eye at any given time |
| 05:24.24 | Thunder_Child | ok, but your husband may never be naked when you are making new topics |
| 05:24.34 | Cairenn | lol |
| 05:25.01 | Cairenn | given how often I see my husband, clothed or naked, that isn't a particular concern |
| 05:26.03 | Thunder_Child | hmm...well you could always do QC quotes |
| 05:26.18 | Cairenn | I have and I will |
| 05:26.31 | Thunder_Child | SP quotes/ |
| 05:26.34 | Thunder_Child | ?* |
| 05:26.49 | Cairenn | I've got a number of sources I go to whenever I feel like making a change, that just happened to be the one I picked this time |
| 05:27.10 | Thunder_Child | right..... |
| 05:27.32 | Thunder_Child | http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Main_Page |
| 05:28.00 | Thunder_Child | i wouldnt recomend famous last words though...thoes were just kinda sad |
| 05:28.47 | Cairenn | actually ... |
| 05:29.13 | *** topic/#wowi-lounge by Cairenn -> Paste Code Here: http://wowi.pastey.net/ | "penis is inherently more entertaining than fat man" - Corrodias |
| 05:29.25 | Thunder_Child | nice |
| 05:29.28 | Thunder_Child | very nice |
| 05:30.57 | Cairenn | be careful what you say in here, you never know who may be listening ... and when it may come back to haunt you ... http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/wowi-lounge.html.gz |
| 05:31.39 | Thunder_Child | wish he had used better grammer though |
| 05:32.15 | Cairenn | awww, you guys got ANOTHER thank you :) http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8387 |
| 05:32.35 | Cairenn | that's twice in the last week or so that someone has actually bothered to post a thank you, it's nice to see |
| 05:34.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh god i'm #4 on the list and i rarely talk in here compared to my other channels |
| 05:34.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm such an irc whore |
| 05:34.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | er 67 |
| 05:34.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | wow, i can't type today |
| 05:34.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | 6 |
| 05:34.31 | haste | I see you talking all the time :3 |
| 05:35.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh that's just for today |
| 05:35.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | you should see me in my other channels, it's spamtastic |
| 05:36.31 | Cairenn | night MentalPower|ZZzz |
| 05:37.07 | MentalPower|ZZzz | night Cairenn |
| 05:40.20 | haste | You know you're tired when you try to make coffee without water |
| 05:41.01 | Cairenn | quite |
| 05:41.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | eat the beans whole |
| 05:41.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | there's a candy store that sells chocolate covered coffee beans down here |
| 05:41.45 | Nom- | lol we get them from time to time |
| 05:41.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | they're the greatest thing ever when you're tired |
| 05:41.48 | Nom- | I don't like them :( |
| 05:42.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't like black coffee but the chocolate seems to offset the strength of the beans |
| 05:42.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | i like almost as much milk and sugar as coffee |
| 05:43.06 | Thunder_Child | http://www.thinkgeek.com/caffeine/candy/7753/ |
| 05:43.28 | Cairenn | I love coffee flavoured liquors, coffee flavoured cake, coffee flavoured chocolate bars ... but actual "coffee" is much much too strong for me, can't stand it |
| 05:44.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | why are those yellow, T_C |
| 05:44.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | thats frightening |
| 05:45.26 | Thunder_Child | candy covered |
| 05:45.38 | Thunder_Child | + they double as emergency cones |
| 05:45.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh, like peanut m&ms |
| 05:45.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | but |
| 05:45.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | coffee |
| 05:46.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | the ones i had were just dipped in hot milk chocolate and allowed to dry |
| 05:46.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | no coating |
| 05:46.16 | Thunder_Child | well the chocolate is underneath the candy shell |
| 05:46.35 | Thunder_Child | bean --> chocolate --> candy shell |
| 05:47.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah instead of peanut-->chocolate-->candy shell, like peanut m&m's :p |
| 05:47.18 | Thunder_Child | but as you can tell http://www.thinkgeek.com/caffeine/candy/ there is one hell of a selection of caffinated items |
| 05:47.31 | Thunder_Child | ...cuse geekes arent hyper enough |
| 05:47.35 | Thunder_Child | geeks* |
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| 05:48.16 | Cairenn | okay, sleepy time for me, night guys |
| 05:48.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm not hyper, and caffeine doesn't make me hyper in any amount :O |
| 05:48.22 | Thunder_Child | night Cairenn |
| 05:48.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | night cair |
| 05:49.12 | Thunder_Child | ... Cairenn|nomoreinsomnia |
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| 06:10.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | man i've got the strangest appetite, a craving for grits at 1 am O_O |
| 06:11.47 | Cairenn|afk | maybe you're pregnant? |
| 06:12.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | gosh i hope not that would put a damper on things |
| 06:13.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | i wouldn't worry too much until i start like mixing in maple syrup in with my grits or something |
| 06:13.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | or if i wake up female |
| 06:13.59 | Karrion | later all |
| 06:22.34 | Nom- | http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn10971-cheap-safe-drug-kills-most-cancers.html |
| 06:22.45 | Nom- | If anyone is interested |
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| 06:25.02 | Cairenn|afk | interesting indeed |
| 06:25.22 | Nom- | indeed |
| 06:25.53 | Cairenn|afk | if it works ... oh wouldn't that be nice ... the end of cancer ... |
| 06:26.05 | Nom- | Indeed. |
| 06:27.00 | Cairenn|afk | and with that cheerful thought, now I really am going to bed |
| 06:27.06 | Nom- | :) |
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| 06:27.14 | Nom- | Sleep tight. |
| 06:27.22 | Nom- | Don't let the bed bugs bite. |
| 06:27.25 | Nom- | Or something like that. |
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| 06:40.19 | Shadowed | So sometimes "<mob> dies." is fired |
| 06:40.21 | Shadowed | ...other times it isn't |
| 06:40.26 | Shadowed | and it appears to be random |
| 06:41.54 | Shadowed | Oh so thats why |
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| 06:42.07 | Shadowed | Blizzard inconsistency is fun |
| 06:45.29 | PProvost | Question from a guildie: Anyone know of an addon that would put a button in the center of the screen? He doesn't know what it is and it is driving him nuts. :) |
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| 06:46.23 | bleetah | PProvost: there are quite a few, actually. Typically a shift+drag will move them |
| 06:46.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | what class is the guildy |
| 06:46.53 | PProvost | Mage |
| 06:47.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | and what button is it? |
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| 06:47.42 | xlvii | can anyone confirm that if you take a level 70 into zul'gurub it'll raise boss levels to 73? |
| 06:47.45 | PProvost | Strangely... it was a "paw" button until he dragged it off. Now it is an empty button. |
| 06:48.27 | PProvost | And shift-drag doesn't move it. |
| 06:48.37 | PProvost | He wants to uninstall it but he isn't sure which one it is. :)( |
| 06:49.23 | bleetah | has he tried the ol' 'disable half mods, see if it still happens, if so, disable half the remaining, if not enable the ones you disabled, disable the others.. rinse repeat' method? typically it only takes about half a dozen sweeps reducing the loaded mods by this method to nail the cause |
| 06:49.46 | PProvost | Yeah, I was going to take him there, but I was hoping it would be obvious. :) |
| 06:50.32 | bleetah | nah, way too many mods have buttons like that. eg, originated attached to the minimap, but are now free-floating |
| 06:52.24 | PProvost | Any ace ones? He most likely got it using WAU |
| 06:54.04 | bleetah | you know there's #wowace ? |
| 06:55.23 | bleetah | they may know of some funky way to work out what it is |
| 06:55.38 | PProvost | Yeah... I know... :) |
| 07:07.41 | PProvost | Good trick: /print GetMouseFocus():GetName() |
| 07:07.49 | PProvost | It was a hunter pet food mod called DogChow |
| 07:07.51 | PProvost | :) |
| 07:08.03 | PProvost | New topic: Recommended tree for leveling a shaman? |
| 07:09.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | enhancement, imo |
| 07:10.05 | bleetah | Mr_Rabies2: breast or penile? |
| 07:10.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | elemental's nice, but mana dependency = downtime = slower leveling |
| 07:10.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | both, bleetah |
| 07:10.56 | bleetah | Nom-: would you believe someone else just wished me the best of luck for our nation's team to beat the poms? |
| 07:17.00 | Corrodias | well, i've got my flight form now |
| 07:18.30 | Corrodias | travelling in the mountainous area of outland will no longer threaten to drive me nuts |
| 07:20.32 | bleetah | Did you hear about the Pirate with a ship's wheel in his pants? |
| 07:20.36 | bleetah | It was driving him nuts |
| 07:20.45 | bleetah | oh, dang, I said that wrong.. I shant try to correct |
| 07:21.04 | bleetah | the correct punchline is 'it's driving me nuts' |
| 07:22.07 | Corrodias | hah. |
| 07:23.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | yarr, its driving me nuts |
| 07:24.15 | bleetah | I ask you all, is there a better headpiece than http://www.wowhead.com/?item=23587 ? |
| 07:24.33 | bleetah | seems like the booze/mana drink ratio is about 50/50 |
| 07:26.10 | Corrodias | i think part of why i hated playing my hunter was trying to level his engineering. maybe if i ignore it, it won't be so bad! |
| 07:26.41 | Corrodias | but then i have to get back into all that "omg what pet should i use and how should i spec it" crap |
| 07:27.09 | bleetah | meh, google for petopia .. spend ten minutes there.. grab gazmik fizzwidget's hunter helper mod... you're set. |
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| 07:27.25 | Corrodias | i have both. i've actually thoroughly researched the hunter class. |
| 07:27.30 | bleetah | hunter helper will tell you what skills a mob has in the mob's tooltip |
| 07:27.39 | Corrodias | i have a text file record of a thread discussing different ways to pull |
| 07:28.00 | Corrodias | a bookmark to petopia and a thorough understanding of defensive/offensive/caster stats |
| 07:28.14 | bleetah | ah, well you're set to go.. it's all pretty brainless. one pet for DPS, one as offtank, the other as trash stable slot until 2.1.0 comes out (or later if the new pet taming doesn't come in 2.1.0) |
| 07:28.38 | bleetah | and then hunters can actually fill all stable slots with useful pets |
| 07:28.40 | Corrodias | and a bitterness at how blizzard does not seem to flesh out most pets |
| 07:28.51 | Corrodias | 1) what's this new taming you talk about? |
| 07:29.01 | bleetah | i think they've done a lot to improve it with the BC release |
| 07:29.04 | Corrodias | i researched hunters, but it was back in 1.9 |
| 07:29.22 | bleetah | I'm not sure. neth has mumbled a few words on the forums about it, but last time I investigated, there was still no real word on how it was going to work |
| 07:29.28 | Corrodias | i dunno. raptors and spiders still can't dash. spore bats can't dash and i don't think they have any damage abilities. nether rays all have caster stats. |
| 07:29.51 | Corrodias | it's just a mess |
| 07:30.10 | bleetah | well, that kinda makes sense, though... if you tried to teach a homing pigeon some greyhound racing tricks, do you think they'd be able to use them? |
| 07:30.31 | Corrodias | making sense doesn't make for good pets |
| 07:30.35 | bleetah | I doubt it, as we're talking two completely different species with different abilities.. hence I udnerstand what blizz are trying to do |
| 07:30.38 | Corrodias | if it can't dash, it's a bore waiting for it to catch up to a mob |
| 07:31.01 | bleetah | that just means you've taken the wrong pet from the stable for the current round of fighting you're doing |
| 07:31.03 | Corrodias | it just simply isn't as effective a choice as a mob that, for all other purposes, is at least as powerful, but can increase its speed at will |
| 07:31.04 | Nom- | bleetah: The cricket? |
| 07:31.17 | Nom- | We usually don't need help with that, but with Warney leaving... |
| 07:31.19 | bleetah | although, with the gimpage of the stable system at the moment, my last statement is rather over the top |
| 07:32.08 | bleetah | Nom-: NZ beat us because we fielded our B- side... I don't think we'll have a problem in the finals ;) |
| 07:32.23 | Nom- | pfft @ NZ |
| 07:33.01 | Corrodias | 2) why are we having both a high-defense pet and a high-offense pet? |
| 07:33.05 | bleetah | I wanna see the poms lose to them, so their government can *really* feel ashamed at giving them nighthoods back when.. ;) |
| 07:33.09 | Corrodias | that was my other question about what you said |
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| 07:34.47 | Corrodias | like i said, i did research, but it's very out of date |
| 07:34.50 | bleetah | well, given that a hunter has only two workable training slots (the third being empty so you can learn new abilities), you don't really get much choice to vary your playstyle. A number of time's I've used a bear as offtank quite successfully (although, it needs good healers who actually give a damn)... and in PvP, the high offense is just... well... self evident. |
| 07:35.24 | bleetah | so given only two slots, there's only two modes of pet that are viable.. unless of course you've only got *one* playstyle, I guess hehe |
| 07:35.25 | Corrodias | is it... inappropriate to have a high-offense pet as your soloing pet? do they have trouble staying alive? |
| 07:35.39 | Corrodias | or rather, a low-defense pet |
| 07:35.41 | bleetah | I just like to know that if my hunter is needed for high offense, I can handle, same with defense |
| 07:36.18 | bleetah | for soloing elite quests, the offense pet can be a liability.. or soloing quest with a number of mobs to CC |
| 07:36.45 | bleetah | typically in a solo CC style situation, I'll ensure the bear has the aggro of all the mobs in the crowd before I open fire |
| 07:37.02 | bleetah | or at least as many as reasonably possible |
| 07:37.34 | Corrodias | boars aren't my favorite, but they have defensive stats with the "gore" ability available |
| 07:37.44 | Nom- | boar = awesome for tanking |
| 07:37.52 | Nom- | I once saw a boar MT Hakkar |
| 07:37.57 | Corrodias | lmao |
| 07:38.10 | bleetah | Usuris (spelling may be wrong), the named bear in Winterspring is awesome as an OT even MT |
| 07:38.24 | Corrodias | bears + boars definitely have it going on |
| 07:38.59 | bleetah | so, yeah, I'm really not bothering with the new pets etc. for my hunter until the new training system gets introduced |
| 07:39.25 | bleetah | as I have no idea how it's gunna work, so.. I think it's a bit pointless picking up a new pet/abilities now before the new method is announced |
| 07:39.40 | Nom- | If you think i'm joking: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uL8JpvJ_hFM |
| 07:40.29 | Corrodias | well, it can't be totally pointless picking up the abilities, but hopefully you will be able to learn them from animals without taming them in the future |
| 07:41.11 | bleetah | I believe that's their aim |
| 07:43.08 | bleetah | hey, on that video... I can't see a buff on the pet that looks like it may be Spirit Bond... so I'm guessing maybe it's not even a BM hunter |
| 07:43.24 | Nom- | *shrug* |
| 07:43.32 | Nom- | Pets have many advantages for tanking in that fight |
| 07:43.53 | bleetah | I wonder if the PC tanks felt any shame.. hehe |
| 07:44.04 | Corrodias | can you mind-control a pet that's owned by a hunter? |
| 07:44.20 | Corrodias | that may be a key point here if not |
| 07:44.31 | bleetah | hmm, good point |
| 07:45.19 | bleetah | MC is humanoids only |
| 07:45.21 | Nom- | Well, that's the point |
| 07:45.25 | Nom- | Hakkar doesn't MC Hunter Pets |
| 07:45.36 | Nom- | I think they're unaffected by the drain too |
| 07:46.10 | bleetah | still, pretty funny to watch |
| 07:46.10 | Nom- | plus, as i'm sure you know, hunter pets can hold aggro really well |
| 07:46.23 | Corrodias | boars are just so effective. they have Charge, they have Bite, they have Gore, and the increased armor and health of a defensive pet! >:/ |
| 07:46.27 | bleetah | yup, turn off all abilities except the autocast of growl |
| 07:46.35 | bleetah | one guaranteed way to piss off the MT ;) |
| 07:46.44 | Corrodias | turning off the damage abilities? |
| 07:46.55 | Nom- | yah, save energy for taunt |
| 07:47.22 | bleetah | yup, as the casting is dependant on the focus... so, by putting all it's focus onto generating aggro.. = pissed off MTs |
| 07:47.47 | Corrodias | oh, sure, you want to make sure there's always focus to cast growl |
| 07:47.58 | Corrodias | that was the point of the addon smartpet back in 1.9, but of course it doesn't work any more |
| 07:48.18 | bleetah | yup, so on a truly defensive only pet, or one that's designed to hold aggro, don't waste time training it with other abilities apart from growl |
| 07:48.20 | Nom- | apparently pets do a reasonable job of prioritizing growl now |
| 07:48.25 | bleetah | spend the training points in armor/resistances |
| 07:48.31 | Nom- | but you'd still want to save it to ensure no delay in a tanking situation |
| 07:49.14 | Corrodias | oh definitely |
| 07:49.55 | bleetah | this is why hunters get such a bad rap... really, it's not that much of a task to drive them, it's just they're so easy to drive, even a moron can do it. lots of people are morons, hence lots of people play hunters... but to do it *well*, is a different matter entirely. |
| 07:50.28 | Corrodias | i always have this terrifying feeling that i'm a moron |
| 07:50.31 | bleetah | and because people generally don't like to think or research, the class gets dragged down by the idiots |
| 07:50.32 | Corrodias | i try to learn |
| 07:50.39 | Corrodias | i spent HOURS reading about the class |
| 07:50.51 | Corrodias | more hours agonizing over builds (which are now obsolete of course) |
| 07:51.15 | bleetah | you're already months ahead of any 'competition' on your realm just by spending a bit of time researching |
| 07:51.25 | bleetah | whether it's worthwhile research or not is immaterial ;) |
| 07:51.29 | Corrodias | i probably spent more time reading about hunters than actually playing the thing. :P |
| 07:51.31 | Corrodias | i think it's more fun |
| 07:51.50 | Corrodias | but like i said, i was probably dragged down by my professions, which i hated |
| 07:52.12 | Nom- | bah, professions don't make a class |
| 07:52.25 | Nom- | You don't need any professions on a character, just makes thing easier |
| 07:52.39 | Nom- | by things, i mean makes making cash easier :) |
| 07:53.02 | Corrodias | well, engineering is kinda nifty once you get it high enough |
| 07:53.10 | Corrodias | but the grind of trying to get it up there was just maddening |
| 07:53.18 | bleetah | although, some profession/class combos are *really* worthwhile hunter engineer opens up feign death during a wipe after the healers have all died.. then use jumper cables. |
| 07:53.23 | Corrodias | recipes that required items with other requirements, five levels deep |
| 07:53.41 | Corrodias | i nearly went insane running between the bank and the anvil |
| 07:53.45 | bleetah | hah, yeah, it was a lot easier back when fizzwidget's crafting mod worked |
| 07:53.54 | bleetah | you could queue items up and stuff |
| 07:54.00 | Corrodias | yeah, that was very nice |
| 07:54.05 | ZealotOnAStick | Engineering bites. There's just not enough really worthwhile in it, and there's virtually no way to generate cash with it. |
| 07:54.07 | Corrodias | i don't even want to think about it now |
| 07:54.19 | ZealotOnAStick | I should have figured that out about a month and a half ago, during beta, and switched then. |
| 07:54.21 | Corrodias | well, blizzard is planning on reviewing and improving it, to some extent |
| 07:54.30 | ZealotOnAStick | Instead of doing what I did and switching at 62. |
| 07:54.46 | bleetah | ZealotOnAStick: before the new proctiles were added, it was almost essential if your main was a hunter, to have an engi alt to produce thorium projectiles |
| 07:55.01 | ZealotOnAStick | Or guildmate, or so forth. |
| 07:55.28 | ZealotOnAStick | I made probably a few million rounds of ammo for my guild's hunters before I dropped engineering. |
| 07:55.36 | bleetah | yeah, true.. although I'm one for high self reliance.. been in too many guilds which have collapsed for one reason or another to make that option viable |
| 07:56.49 | bleetah | and now I'm trying to learn modding and stuff, I spend even less time with my current guild.. which is OK 'coz they suck as well. So to some degree I need to be even more self reliant as I'm frequently met with a 'hello, welcome to the guild' from some nub when I log in |
| 07:57.49 | bleetah | and I just can't bring myself to do all the social crap needed to get the items I need |
| 07:59.40 | PProvost | Advanced Tradeskill Window does some of that queueing and sequencing stuff for you. |
| 07:59.50 | PProvost | aka ATSW |
| 08:00.28 | bleetah | heh, none of my professions are in a position where it'd be needed at the moment, but thanks for the tip I'll investigate |
| 08:00.51 | Corrodias | what do you think of wind serpents? |
| 08:01.32 | bleetah | I try not to think of flying pets, as they inevitably really piss me off at some crucial point in time in an instance by obscuring my ability to target a mob |
| 08:01.47 | Corrodias | oh yeah... |
| 08:02.04 | bleetah | (that is, other hunters pets.. I know how much it pisses me off, which is why I don't use them) |
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| 08:03.57 | Corrodias | i wonder if windserpents get as annoyingly huge as the others |
| 08:04.13 | PProvost | Best part about ATSW is that it keeps track of mats on all your alts and helps you figure out what you can make. Also can sort by difficulty instead of category. Nice mod. |
| 08:04.16 | bleetah | all hunter pets scale as they level, so I guess so |
| 08:04.40 | Corrodias | well, wind serpents might start out smaller than the others, or less obstructive. |
| 08:04.45 | bleetah | PProvost: I was debating whether to check it out, then saw something on the WoWI comments about some incompatibility with auctioneer, so I'm now compelled to test it out ;) |
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| 08:05.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | will flying pets keep up with you while flying mounted? i'm guessing not any better than the walking mounts |
| 08:05.04 | bleetah | hence my cursing at the last-modified headers |
| 08:05.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | Corr, problem is, windserpents are essentially worthless |
| 08:05.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | caster pets have such wimpy stats |
| 08:05.41 | Corrodias | the wind serpents don't all have caster stats |
| 08:05.46 | Corrodias | http://petopia.brashendeavors.net/html/families/family_windserpent.html |
| 08:06.11 | bleetah | I guess if you're a BM hunter, their screech may be useful as you won't have a silencing shot |
| 08:06.11 | Corrodias | some do, but most don't. having a magic-based attack could be beneficial, splitting its damage between nature and physical |
| 08:06.19 | Corrodias | screech is an owl thing |
| 08:06.24 | bleetah | that is if I recall correctly their actual abilities |
| 08:06.29 | bleetah | ah, well, there ya go lol |
| 08:06.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | reavers are awesome |
| 08:06.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | they get gore AND are considered dps pets |
| 08:07.01 | Corrodias | ravagers? |
| 08:07.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | r |
| 08:07.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah |
| 08:07.05 | weazer | Tame Onyxia and mount her |
| 08:07.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | <my other mount is your mom> |
| 08:07.21 | Corrodias | i do like the sound of a ravager, but i think i need a little more in the way of health & armor on my pet |
| 08:07.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | they have high armor and damage |
| 08:07.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | just meh stam |
| 08:07.42 | Corrodias | boar has high defensive ability, but relatively low damage. it does also get Gore, though. |
| 08:07.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | and really |
| 08:07.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's not that bad |
| 08:07.52 | weazer | later huntards |
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| 08:15.23 | Nom- | Anyone know if it's live maintainence this week ? |
| 08:15.36 | Corrodias | live maintenance? |
| 08:15.44 | Nom- | yah |
| 08:15.47 | Nom- | as in no downtime |
| 08:15.51 | Corrodias | checking... |
| 08:15.58 | Corrodias | i saw some kind of message but didn't really take note |
| 08:17.09 | bleetah | nah, it's maintenance as 'usual' |
| 08:17.19 | bleetah | I guess they're not quite ready still |
| 08:17.38 | Nom- | oh well, that means I probably only get as far as 53 tonight |
| 08:17.40 | Nom- | if that |
| 08:18.06 | Nom- | alrighty it's knockoff time |
| 08:18.10 | Nom- | catcha later kids |
| 08:18.37 | bleetah | cya Nom-, safe travels |
| 08:18.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | bleetah, theyre shooting for maintenance every other week for now |
| 08:19.30 | bleetah | yeah, guessed as much.. slowly expand the distance between official downtimes |
| 08:20.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | they skipped 2 tuesdays once i think |
| 08:20.20 | bleetah | 'coz going straight to 'no maintenance' would be asking for trouble hehe |
| 08:20.31 | bleetah | was that over christmas/new years? I can't recall |
| 08:20.53 | bleetah | with my birthday in there, wayy too much booze to have anything sink in ;) |
| 08:21.03 | bleetah | .. apart from the booze |
| 08:21.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://naterossphotography.com/for_web/loki_mad.jpg |
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| 08:25.03 | bleetah | ZealotOnAStick: thanks for the ATSW tip... it looks brilliant! but as I said, don't really have a toon that needs it right now hehe |
| 08:26.06 | ZealotOnAStick | don't believe it was me who suggested it |
| 08:26.22 | bleetah | gah, well go on take the credit! :P |
| 08:26.35 | bleetah | PProvost: thanks for the ATSW tip... it looks brilliant! but as I said, don't really have a toon that needs it right now hehe |
| 08:26.40 | bleetah | too late hehe |
| 08:28.53 | bleetah | is it just me, or is the jewelry crafting noise annoyingly close to fingernails on a blackboard? |
| 08:34.01 | Corrodias | any opinions on that build? do i really want the 6 yards extra range? |
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| 08:36.55 | bleetah | Corrodias: nothing springs out as being particularly 'wrong' |
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| 08:37.20 | Corrodias | my experience and research may have paid off? yay~ |
| 08:37.39 | bleetah | I'd prolly vary a couple of thing to personal taste (drop the rapid killing, probably the bestial dscipline).. but on the whole it's not bad |
| 08:37.56 | Corrodias | this level 60 ravager pet is as tall as an orc |
| 08:38.40 | Corrodias | bestial discipline? 100% faster focus regen = twice as much ability use, no? |
| 08:38.54 | bleetah | many hunters don't like it, but I can't live without improved revive pet. in a long fight, or PvP, the saved mana and increased health on the pet rexz = increased DPS |
| 08:39.07 | Corrodias | adjusting for CDs |
| 08:39.42 | bleetah | indeed, but it doesn't suit my play style so isn't particularly worth it for me |
| 08:39.48 | Corrodias | i see |
| 08:41.25 | bleetah | from memory, at least with the original 2.0.1 release, rapid fire wouldn't proc off a mob which had it's last HP taken down by your pet... as I don't use it, didn't follow the discussion, so dunno whether that was intentional or fixed |
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| 08:46.41 | bleetah | hmm, I'm trying to work out why the blizz crash reporting tool isn't connecting. I'm suspecting that an entry in my router log for 12-129-224-46.attens.net:8086 is for this tool, but can't really tell in amongst the other junk right now without further research. anyone know? |
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| 08:51.06 | Corrodias | interesting |
| 08:51.12 | bleetah | heh, shows how long since I've been to the blizz site.. they're offering BC downloads now |
| 08:51.15 | Corrodias | i seem to have "find minerals" and "track humanoids" on simultaneously |
| 08:51.28 | bleetah | perfectly normal |
| 08:51.31 | Corrodias | what? |
| 08:51.57 | bleetah | it looks like you've actually gotta *BUY* BC to download it, so if you destroy your disks you're hosed |
| 08:52.14 | bleetah | but yeah, the upgrade keys and game client avail for d/l |
| 08:52.24 | Corrodias | what do you mean it's normal? |
| 08:52.30 | Corrodias | it stopped doing it now |
| 08:53.05 | bleetah | oh, hrm, hang on.. maybe it isn't.. gawd, been a while. sdorry |
| 08:56.17 | SCalimlim | I made myself a module a long time ago that simply switched action bar pages when i pressed a key -- it toggled between two bars |
| 08:56.21 | SCalimlim | so i would just press one button |
| 08:56.25 | SCalimlim | and it would switch back and forth |
| 08:56.31 | SCalimlim | is this still possible? |
| 08:56.31 | SCalimlim | (in combat) |
| 08:57.14 | SCalimlim | it seems like the action bar page changing stuff is protected in combat |
| 08:57.29 | Corrodias | it is. there's a keybind in the default UI for it. |
| 08:57.34 | SCalimlim | no there isnt |
| 08:57.35 | Corrodias | well, "next" and "previous" |
| 08:57.38 | SCalimlim | that's not the same |
| 08:57.50 | SCalimlim | that will go up or down through your 6 action bars |
| 08:57.51 | SCalimlim | not toggle between two |
| 08:58.04 | Corrodias | yeah, but are you telling me you don't have any of the extra bars showing? |
| 08:58.10 | SCalimlim | i have five bars showing |
| 08:58.15 | SCalimlim | and i have the bottom bar toggle |
| 08:58.17 | SCalimlim | from ranged to melee |
| 08:58.17 | Corrodias | i mean, with all the extra bars enabled, it only has 2 pages on the one bar for me |
| 08:58.47 | SCalimlim | im not using the default UI's bars, since it only offers vertical bars and you cant reposition them |
| 08:59.03 | SCalimlim | im using a ui mod that lets me move the bars around/resize them/change their orientation |
| 08:59.53 | SCalimlim | hmm maybe i can trick the blizzard ui into think i have the default bars showing |
| 08:59.56 | SCalimlim | so what you are saying will wor |
| 08:59.57 | SCalimlim | work* |
| 09:00.01 | SCalimlim | and it will only think i have two pages |
| 09:00.03 | Corrodias | my hunter needs his action bars totally rearranged now |
| 09:00.07 | Corrodias | i've made so many changes to my preferred layout |
| 09:00.09 | SCalimlim | same here |
| 09:00.16 | SCalimlim | im having a *really* hard time adapting to the new controls |
| 09:00.22 | SCalimlim | after two years of the same setup |
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| 09:01.19 | Corrodias | well, i sympathize... i don't know of a way to do what you want |
| 09:01.21 | Corrodias | i haven't tried |
| 09:02.58 | SCalimlim | i dont understand why blizzard has locked so many random things |
| 09:03.24 | SCalimlim | but anyhow, ranting here will do no good |
| 09:04.15 | bleetah | I don't think they're random.. they've locked a lot out to stop most of the botting that was going on |
| 09:04.43 | SCalimlim | stuff like opening your spellbook and switching action bars in combat allows botting? |
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| 09:06.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | from what i've seen the changes have done nothing but make wowglider act more human |
| 09:06.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | especially with /castrandom and /castsequence now |
| 09:06.22 | SCalimlim | that's a good point rabies |
| 09:06.26 | SCalimlim | they arent going to stop botters |
| 09:06.32 | SCalimlim | so the botters are just going to have to make more and more advanced bots |
| 09:06.37 | SCalimlim | making them even harder to detect |
| 09:06.57 | bleetah | of course, it's an arms race |
| 09:07.12 | bleetah | as any such vendor vs cracker scenario is |
| 09:07.26 | SCalimlim | well they are hurting normal users in the process |
| 09:07.29 | SCalimlim | and helping the botters |
| 09:07.37 | bleetah | so.. what's the other option? |
| 09:07.42 | bleetah | completely stop any UI mods |
| 09:07.46 | bleetah | and that'd hurt people even more |
| 09:07.51 | SCalimlim | bots do not depend on ui mods AT ALL |
| 09:08.11 | SCalimlim | iif they did, imagine how easy it would be to detect them! |
| 09:08.38 | SCalimlim | ive seen glider, it requires no special macros, no special addons |
| 09:08.47 | SCalimlim | none of the things they have done make botting tougher |
| 09:09.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | macros help make it harder to use but it doesn't use any lua functions or anything |
| 09:09.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | just keybindings and memory reading |
| 09:09.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | er |
| 09:09.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | harder to detect, not use |
| 09:09.33 | SCalimlim | exactly, the bots just hook into memory for all of their information |
| 09:09.37 | SCalimlim | they dont need mods and macros to tell them in |
| 09:09.41 | SCalimlim | in = it* |
| 09:09.54 | bleetah | indeed, and that still stands now. by protecting the API, they've stopped a *lot* of the non-memory reading kinda bots |
| 09:10.11 | bleetah | of which we know there were some, just not as advanced as glider, etc. etc. |
| 09:10.12 | SCalimlim | so, the botters just have to move to the better bots |
| 09:10.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | glider doesn't even hook memory like traditional bots |
| 09:10.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | it just reads it, it doesn't inject anything |
| 09:10.30 | SCalimlim | yea |
| 09:10.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | or it didn't back when i used it |
| 09:10.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | I haven't used it in about a year because it took the fun out of playing :p |
| 09:10.44 | bleetah | totally, they have to move to better bots. and in the meantime, it cuts down the dev's work in trying to detect bots that abuse a totally open API |
| 09:10.51 | SCalimlim | i looked into it a while ago, and im a programmer, so i understand how it works pretty well |
| 09:11.19 | SCalimlim | i think most of the changes they have put in are to even the playing field against people that dont use 50 mods |
| 09:11.24 | SCalimlim | but some of the changes are just silly |
| 09:11.38 | bleetah | wheras before there was this totally open API that basically said 'hell, bots are legal'... now the API screams 'thou shalt not' |
| 09:12.00 | bleetah | turning off all UI would be even sillier |
| 09:12.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | i haven't seen any bot that used lua except maybe in the most generalized sense of the word |
| 09:12.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | i.e. decursive |
| 09:12.22 | SCalimlim | yea |
| 09:12.36 | SCalimlim | you MIGHT have been able to write a REALLY REALLY simple lua bot in the earliest days of wow |
| 09:12.41 | SCalimlim | when they still had movement functions in the api |
| 09:13.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | all the ones worth using use external stuff because it's harder to detect, and movement, etc has always required a hardware action |
| 09:13.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh that's right movement didn't did it |
| 09:13.37 | SCalimlim | they removed that pretty quick though |
| 09:13.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | i remember when cosmos had /goto x,y and /gotocorpse |
| 09:13.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | :D |
| 09:13.41 | SCalimlim | yea |
| 09:14.05 | Corrodias | i wish my action bar would switch on a change between melee range and bow range |
| 09:14.12 | bleetah | true, but the API pre 2.x still screamed 'automate as mcuh of this as you can with this stuff' while the tone of the company itself was 'we don't like automating most stuff'... so anyone who got banned for API abuse (if at all) could theoretically end up legally arguing 'if blizz didn't want me to do this, theyu shouldn't expose the API' |
| 09:14.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | /gotocorpse was so great |
| 09:14.16 | SCalimlim | Corrodias: that would be neat |
| 09:14.27 | SCalimlim | Corrodias: I really like the idea of having the same bar for melee/ranged |
| 09:14.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | there's addons that do that, iirc corr |
| 09:14.30 | SCalimlim | so you use the same key bindings |
| 09:14.36 | SCalimlim | are you sure rabies? |
| 09:14.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | though you could always just make a macro |
| 09:14.41 | SCalimlim | mods cannot switch action bar pages |
| 09:14.45 | Corrodias | i know there were addons |
| 09:14.51 | SCalimlim | ONLY the default blizzard key bindings can do that --in combat-- |
| 09:14.58 | Corrodias | their continued existence is unlikely |
| 09:17.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | /cast Aspect of the Hawk; /changeactionbar 2 |
| 09:17.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | or similar |
| 09:17.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | i know it's not automatic |
| 09:18.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | but i use one button for all my melee spells |
| 09:18.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | G is raptor strike, mongoose bite, and wing clip |
| 09:20.17 | zenzelezz | I can't help but wonder if the trash after the first three bosses in Arcatraz is working as intended |
| 09:20.42 | SCalimlim | ive noticed a ton of instance bugs |
| 09:20.46 | zenzelezz | the double-arcane-robot pull is hell (or my guild hasn't discovered the trick), and somehow the Gargantuan Abyssals seemed to hit us much harder last night |
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| 09:21.01 | SCalimlim | lol last night in shattered halls |
| 09:21.05 | SCalimlim | we reached the end of that archer hall |
| 09:21.12 | SCalimlim | and were pulling the last guy with the two archers |
| 09:21.16 | SCalimlim | i pulled, fd'd |
| 09:21.20 | SCalimlim | the mobs disappeared |
| 09:21.26 | SCalimlim | we thought "cool!, that was easy" |
| 09:21.28 | SCalimlim | then we run into the room |
| 09:21.31 | SCalimlim | those three mobs respawn |
| 09:21.36 | SCalimlim | ALONG WITH ABOUT FIFTY MORE. |
| 09:22.14 | SCalimlim | and near the end of botanica, those blood elves that are impossible to kill |
| 09:22.17 | SCalimlim | love to randomly aggro |
| 09:22.19 | SCalimlim | even if you are rooms away |
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| 09:23.12 | Dhraga | Morning all |
| 09:24.43 | Cairenn|afk | hi Dhraga |
| 09:28.02 | zenzelezz | I've never had those bugged Botanica elves aggro except when provoked |
| 09:29.36 | Corrodias | Mr_Rabies, what's the macro you use specifically for all three attacks on one key? |
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| 09:43.09 | SCalimlim | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_RunBinding |
| 09:43.22 | SCalimlim | anyone have any idea how to get the "command" names? |
| 09:43.53 | Corrodias | when i tamed this cat, my pet bar didn't show up... |
| 09:43.57 | kaso | Look through Bindings.xml file in the framexml |
| 09:44.23 | SCalimlim | I'm looking for the command name for switching action bars |
| 09:44.29 | SCalimlim | that is in blizzard's bindings.xml files |
| 09:44.41 | SCalimlim | ah nm found it |
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| 09:45.47 | zenzelezz | Corrodias: happened to me once, it showed up after a little while... though I'm sure a ReloadUI would also take care of it |
| 09:50.18 | SCalimlim | hmm, they added hooksecurefunc |
| 09:50.23 | SCalimlim | is there a similar way to hook into a binding? |
| 09:55.34 | kaso | SCalimlim you can hook the function the binding calls? |
| 09:55.47 | SCalimlim | kaso: yea, i'm about to try that |
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| 11:48.53 | SCalimlim | woohoo ive almost got my mod working again! |
| 11:48.57 | SCalimlim | had to do some awfully weird workarounds |
| 11:49.08 | SCalimlim | for something that used to be four lines in a bindings.xml file |
| 11:49.40 | SCalimlim | ah nm i havent tested in combat yet |
| 11:49.43 | SCalimlim | who knows if it works then ;-( |
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| 12:11.15 | Corrodias | i need to come up with an appropriate name for this white leopard skin cat pet for my troll hunter |
| 12:11.55 | Corrodias | i want it to sound trollish |
| 12:12.42 | Corrodias | i have a few options: Nala, Jija, Ija (variation of that last one), Atalvi (seems more tauren than troll) |
| 12:12.51 | TheStig | anyone know of any mod that changes the inventory into a list which displays a 16x16 icon of the item's icon to the left and then the complete name of the item to the right with mouse wheel scroll and arrows to go up and down? |
| 12:13.18 | Corrodias | ...actually, that sounds familiar. didn't i just see an addon like that updated on wowi? |
| 12:13.26 | TheStig | not sure |
| 12:13.32 | TheStig | i just thought it would be handy |
| 12:13.39 | TheStig | cause i'm dealing with all these items that look alike |
| 12:13.43 | TheStig | and i'm tired of trying to find the one that i want |
| 12:13.44 | Corrodias | you now know as much about it as i do. you'll have as much luck finding it as i would. |
| 12:13.51 | TheStig | hehe |
| 12:13.54 | TheStig | i'll check~ |
| 12:14.03 | TheStig | just thought i'd see if anyone knew of one right off |
| 12:14.06 | Corrodias | do you have any opinions on troll names? |
| 12:14.11 | TheStig | hmm |
| 12:14.20 | TheStig | not really i don't know much troll'ish language |
| 12:14.43 | Corrodias | Ontane? could be nice for taurens. :/ not so much for trolls |
| 12:15.03 | TheStig | lots of ka sounds |
| 12:15.21 | SCalimlim | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:15.29 | SCalimlim | all this time ive been trying to figure out how to fix my old module |
| 12:15.37 | SCalimlim | and blizzard added a new slash command that does it |
| 12:15.41 | Corrodias | although i could name it with a regular word, i'd rather use a name name |
| 12:17.20 | SCalimlim | and on the topic of pet names |
| 12:17.24 | SCalimlim | i need to name my new cat |
| 12:17.27 | SCalimlim | i need something greek |
| 12:17.30 | SCalimlim | my character is apollo |
| 12:17.40 | Corrodias | i think i'm only good for a few names appropriate to a race |
| 12:17.41 | SCalimlim | my old cat was galenthias -- but the new one doesnt look female |
| 12:17.43 | Corrodias | i'm not so creative |
| 12:18.10 | SCalimlim | cerberus was a mythical greek dog.. pretty close... but a cat would be ideal ;-P |
| 12:18.19 | Corrodias | GREGORIOS |
| 12:18.19 | SCalimlim | and cerberus had three heads |
| 12:18.37 | Corrodias | my apologies but the site i'm reading uses caps |
| 12:19.09 | Corrodias | theophylaktos, guarded by god |
| 12:19.14 | Corrodias | http://www.behindthename.com/nmc/gre.php |
| 12:19.25 | Corrodias | Yanni. |
| 12:19.52 | Corrodias | for greek mythology, http://www.behindthename.com/nmc/gre-myth.php |
| 12:19.57 | SCalimlim | hmm.. |
| 12:20.18 | SCalimlim | ... /swapactionbar 1 5 works fine when typed directly |
| 12:20.21 | SCalimlim | but in a macro it is broken |
| 12:20.27 | Corrodias | o.o |
| 12:20.30 | SCalimlim | it only swaps if you are on the 5 bar |
| 12:20.48 | Corrodias | MELANTHIOS -- black flower |
| 12:21.32 | SCalimlim | ill prob end up just using a cool greek word |
| 12:21.36 | SCalimlim | but i was hoping for a mythical animal |
| 12:21.53 | TheStig | how about Cylon instead |
| 12:22.04 | SCalimlim | cylon? o.O as in galactica |
| 12:22.05 | TheStig | Apollo and his pet Cylon |
| 12:22.11 | TheStig | sure why not |
| 12:22.15 | SCalimlim | in fact |
| 12:22.19 | SCalimlim | i am Commander Apollo |
| 12:22.20 | SCalimlim | lol |
| 12:22.23 | TheStig | haha |
| 12:25.34 | krka | i'd go with CapricaSix for pet name |
| 12:25.36 | TheStig | was BSG on this past sunday night? |
| 12:25.38 | SCalimlim | lol |
| 12:25.43 | SCalimlim | i dont think so stig |
| 12:25.46 | SCalimlim | because of the damn super bowl |
| 12:25.48 | TheStig | i'm not a big fan of caprica 6 |
| 12:25.55 | SCalimlim | they never show new eps of anything on big sports events days |
| 12:26.07 | TheStig | i hate sports |
| 12:26.15 | SCalimlim | agreed, they push my scifi back a week! |
| 12:26.52 | SCalimlim | and having the superbowl score spammed in general every 10 seconds was kinda annoying |
| 12:27.19 | TheStig | i turn general off when things like that are happening |
| 12:27.34 | SCalimlim | i was trying to sell some enchants to get my epic |
| 12:27.40 | SCalimlim | finally got it today, omg it's fast! |
| 12:27.45 | TheStig | in fact someone said "aww damn the bears lost" and i said "what a bunch of druids got together and died? where?" |
| 12:27.50 | SCalimlim | lol |
| 12:27.55 | TheStig | and they said WHAT where are you from? |
| 12:28.02 | SCalimlim | just say canada |
| 12:28.04 | TheStig | and i was like um... i don't know what bears do you speak of |
| 12:28.12 | TheStig | it was hilarious |
| 12:28.36 | SCalimlim | random question -- what are your guys' favorite mod sites? |
| 12:28.48 | SCalimlim | i havent really found one i like much, they all have way, way too many outdated mods |
| 12:28.49 | TheStig | curse and wowi |
| 12:28.52 | SCalimlim | its annoying to sift through them |
| 12:29.09 | SCalimlim | ah i havent tried wowi yet, ill check that out |
| 12:29.18 | SCalimlim | been using curse and ui.worldofwar.net |
| 12:29.27 | cladhaire | SCalimlim: at wowi they're flagged if they're BC compatible or not |
| 12:29.29 | TheStig | ui.wow is great too |
| 12:29.35 | SCalimlim | cladhaire: ah, good to know |
| 12:29.39 | cladhaire | so its pretty easy to see what mods work and what might be outdated |
| 12:29.58 | cladhaire | one thing i dont like about curse is at the top, it shows the post date.. i dont care when an addon was posted, i care when it was last updated and i dont like hiding that informatino. |
| 12:30.03 | cladhaire | imo=) |
| 12:30.19 | TheStig | yea |
| 12:30.20 | TheStig | it says |
| 12:30.25 | TheStig | Posted April 15, 2005 |
| 12:30.27 | TheStig | you're like fuck this |
| 12:30.34 | TheStig | then you see Updated for 2.0.3 |
| 12:30.38 | TheStig | and you're like whaa |
| 12:30.54 | SCalimlim | lol yea |
| 12:32.08 | cladhaire | yeah |
| 12:32.10 | cladhaire | its stupid. |
| 12:32.24 | cladhaire | *shrugles* |
| 12:32.31 | cladhaire | later all |
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| 12:37.43 | SCalimlim | oh noes! maintainence! |
| 12:38.05 | SCalimlim | if only there was some way to make myself go unconscious for several hours at a time to bypass this time quickly.. |
| 12:38.38 | TheStig | sleep? |
| 12:39.18 | SCalimlim | pft |
| 12:48.53 | Industrial | anime? |
| 12:48.55 | Industrial | anime |
| 12:48.56 | Industrial | ! |
| 12:48.59 | Industrial | afk |
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| 12:58.41 | quqvi-- | lksa |
| 12:58.43 | quqvi-- | Oh... |
| 12:58.45 | quqvi-- | sorry |
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| 13:52.10 | TheStig | is anyone here right now? |
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| 14:04.12 | kaso | No |
| 14:04.17 | JoshBorke | nope |
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| 14:24.00 | Nom- | Downtime FTL |
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| 14:33.16 | zenzelezz | what happened to that whole "no more weekly maintenance" thing? |
| 14:34.49 | KaoS` | lolol |
| 14:34.52 | Nom- | not working so well it seems |
| 14:35.30 | KaoS` | from what they said. it seemed if there was no patch, it was not needed anymore |
| 14:35.34 | KaoS` | so maybe another patch today? |
| 14:35.36 | KaoS` | who knows. |
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| 14:54.29 | TheStig | A Zen Buddhist walks up to a hotdog vendor in NYC and says, "Can you make me one with everything?" |
| 14:54.30 | Cairenn|afk | old & tired |
| 14:55.34 | Bouvi | Cairenn LOL you now want links. Will edit my response in a few mins. :) |
| 14:55.51 | Cairenn|afk | mrrrh? |
| 14:56.00 | TheStig | lol |
| 14:56.14 | TheStig | alright |
| 14:56.28 | Cairenn|afk | Bouvi: what are you talking about? |
| 14:56.30 | TheStig | prepare to laugh so hard you choke on whatever you're drinking at the moment |
| 14:56.48 | TheStig | http://www.thechurning.com/misc/Seat29E.pdf |
| 14:57.11 | Bouvi | I am drunk this morning Caireen Clad asked for it. I see C and Blue and I confuse you two. (WoWI forums) |
| 14:57.22 | Cairenn|afk | hehehe |
| 14:57.41 | Cairenn|afk | Everyone confuses the two of us all the time, and damned if I can figure out why. |
| 14:57.52 | Cairenn|afk | Believe me, we look nothing alike ;) |
| 14:58.00 | TheStig | who? |
| 14:58.06 | Bouvi | Your both have Blue names and they start with C on the forums. |
| 14:58.06 | Cairenn|afk | clad|work and I |
| 14:58.35 | Cairenn|afk | and the excuse here in channel? |
| 14:58.54 | Bouvi | Dementia carried over from the boards. |
| 14:58.58 | Cairenn|afk | heh |
| 14:59.00 | TheStig | you both have names that start with C and frequently end in |Something ? |
| 14:59.20 | Cairenn|afk | Actually, the reason I figure is because we are both using Gaelic names |
| 14:59.28 | TheStig | whats that? |
| 14:59.47 | Cairenn|afk | a language :p |
| 15:00.00 | TheStig | you mean there are other languages besides english? |
| 15:00.05 | Cairenn|afk | lol |
| 15:00.05 | TheStig | <totally kidding> |
| 15:00.35 | Cairenn|afk | Gaelic was the language of the Celts (Scots & Irish) |
| 15:03.14 | TheStig | speaking of the celts |
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| 15:03.59 | TheStig | Shamus and Murphy fancied a pint or two but didn't have more than 50 pence between them. Murphy said, "Hang on, I have an idea." He went next door to the butcher's shop and came out with one large sausage. |
| 15:04.16 | TheStig | Shamus said, "Are you crazy? Now we don't have any money left at all." |
| 15:04.52 | TheStig | Murphy replied, "Don't worry -- just follow my lead." He went into the pub where he immediately ordered two pints of Guinness and two shots of Jameson Whisky. |
| 15:05.10 | TheStig | Shamus said, "Now you've lost it. Do you know how much trouble we will be in? We haven't got any money!" |
| 15:05.20 | Cairenn|afk | (I *so* know where this is going ...) |
| 15:05.24 | TheStig | Murphy replied, "Don't worry, I have a plan. Cheers!" |
| 15:05.51 | TheStig | They downed their drinks. Murphy said, "OK, I'll stick the sausage through the zipper of my trousers and you go on your knees and put it in your mouth." |
| 15:06.18 | TheStig | The barman noticed them, went berserk and threw them out. They continued this pub after pub getting more and more pissed each time all for free. |
| 15:06.46 | TheStig | At the ninth pub Shamus said, "Murphy, I don't think I can do any more o'this. Me knees are killin' me mate!" |
| 15:06.59 | TheStig | Murphy said, "How do you think I feel? I lost the sausage at the third pub!" |
| 15:07.12 | zenzelezz | I'm getting the feeling this joke would be more interesting if I had a clue what/who Murphy and Shamus are |
| 15:07.56 | Cairenn|afk | Supposed to be a couple Irishmen |
| 15:09.08 | Bouvi | I am gonna be sick now |
| 15:09.26 | Cairenn|afk | That's what you get for being drunk so early in the morning, Bouvi :p |
| 15:09.55 | Bouvi | Not really drunk lol. I had a bad migraine yesterday was in bed all day, dark room, etc and I have the lingering headache. |
| 15:10.12 | Cairenn|afk | ah, so much fun, Migraine Hangover |
| 15:10.13 | Cairenn|afk | not |
| 15:10.43 | Bouvi | Yeah tons O fun. Bleh |
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| 15:21.12 | Bouvi | Sunday I replaced 4 pieces of my tier 2 gear with 3 blues and 1 green. I am sad. |
| 15:21.42 | TheStig | tier 2 isn't that great |
| 15:22.06 | Bouvi | I liked the looks of it. I miss my shoulders of course I still use em for FR gear. |
| 15:22.24 | TheStig | ah |
| 15:22.31 | TheStig | what class |
| 15:27.14 | Bouvi | Rogue |
| 15:27.26 | Bouvi | www.bouvi.com to see pics of how I looked. |
| 15:27.55 | FlAWD | i still have my BF hood and shoulders at lvl 68 |
| 15:28.05 | FlAWD | but my 5/8 T1 is long gone :( |
| 15:28.52 | sysrage | only purples i still have is Robe of the Archmage and Talisman of Ethereal Power heh.. |
| 15:29.39 | FlAWD | i still have my darkmoon amulet .. thats about it |
| 15:29.45 | FlAWD | and the T2 of course |
| 15:29.59 | FlAWD | i have my darkmoon card heroism that i use from time to time |
| 15:30.42 | FlAWD | i don't see how someone can get rid of ToEP |
| 15:31.05 | FlAWD | unless there's 2 more just like it but more powerful |
| 15:58.03 | sysrage | i've gotten 2 or 3 trinkets actually that are passive +damage and have a use that adds a bunch of damage. but the use isn't as much as toep and they share the same cooldown |
| 15:58.19 | sysrage | still tempting to use for the passive damage though |
| 15:59.13 | TheStig | starting a new character makes no sense to put forth the effort to get the ToEP though |
| 15:59.21 | sysrage | very true |
| 15:59.36 | TheStig | just make do with what you have and go for the new end game stuff hehe |
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| 16:05.37 | haste | Edit Files |
| 16:05.39 | haste | wups |
| 16:05.40 | haste | :3 |
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| 16:23.59 | cogwheel|work | ~emulate cogwheel |
| 16:24.00 | purl | ACTION shakes its fist at the forums |
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| 16:28.35 | JoshBorke | ~emulate JoshBorke |
| 16:28.49 | JoshBorke | :-( |
| 16:29.09 | JoshBorke | ~literal emulate cogwheel |
| 16:29.10 | purl | "emulate cogwheel" is "<action>shakes its fist at the forums" |
| 16:29.39 | JoshBorke | purl, "emulate JoshBorke" is "<action>hugs Cairenn" |
| 16:29.40 | purl | JoshBorke: what are you talking about? |
| 16:29.45 | JoshBorke | i hate you purl |
| 16:30.12 | JoshBorke | ~emulate JoshBorke |
| 16:30.13 | purl | ACTION hug Cairenn |
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| 16:58.59 | zenzelezz | funky... no mobs in Arcatraz |
| 17:01.46 | cogwheel|work | arcatraz sound rike engrish to me... |
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| 17:10.35 | zenzelezz | whatever it sounds like, it's the third part of Tempest Keep |
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| 17:29.15 | kaso | any fancy helping my optimise this code some? http://www.pastey.net/6105 its scanning the tooltip to a table, i need it to run as quickly as humanly possible |
| 17:30.12 | cogwheel|work | ~emulate cogwheel |
| 17:30.15 | purl | ACTION shakes its fist at the forums |
| 17:30.55 | Elkano | kaso, tried GratuityLib? it should have some pretty fast code nad if there's a way to improve it some people will be happy to see it ^^ |
| 17:31.28 | kaso | ill take a lookie |
| 17:34.09 | Elkano | that would be the function for you: http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Gratuity-2.0#:GetText.28startline.2C_endline_.5B.2C_ignoreleft.5D_.5B.2C_ignoreright.5D.29 |
| 17:35.53 | kaso | im looking at the code now, it doesnt seem to pull enough for me. well at least, at certain points in my code i need to make a "mirror" of the tooltip i stored, so i need, text, colors, wrapping, Icons, moneyframe etc |
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| 17:37.33 | ComicSansMS | greetings everyone! |
| 17:38.25 | kaso | but actually now i think about it, i only rarely need that "full" table, there are many situations where i only need part of the data, perhaps i can save some cpu cycles by having a limited table most of the time. |
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| 17:54.55 | Shadowed | blast you maintence, can't code! |
| 18:00.34 | cogwheel|work | can't even browse the forums... |
| 18:00.51 | cogwheel|work | (effectively) |
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| 18:18.54 | Neuro_Medivh | ltns cogwheel! |
| 18:18.56 | Neuro_Medivh | =) |
| 18:19.02 | cogwheel | :) |
| 18:19.26 | Neuro_Medivh | so I've decided I have a huge complaint with shaman gear in BC |
| 18:19.44 | Neuro_Medivh | every piece of mail is designed for elemental shaman |
| 18:19.54 | Neuro_Medivh | it's all +int and +spelldmg |
| 18:20.55 | kaso | just steal the hunter lootz then! |
| 18:21.09 | Neuro_Medivh | that's all +agi crap |
| 18:21.13 | Neuro_Medivh | dont' want it either |
| 18:21.22 | Neuro_Medivh | need +str +atkpwr |
| 18:21.48 | kaso | Well there tends to be more AP on hunter gear nowadays, but still not ideal i agree |
| 18:22.04 | Mobeater | errrg, forgot it was patch day |
| 18:22.09 | Neuro_Medivh | My main complaint is this: For warriors, they make two types of plate gear it seems, stuff designed for tanking, and stuff designed for DPS |
| 18:22.37 | zenzelezz | actually there's more... we have resist gear too |
| 18:22.43 | Neuro_Medivh | right |
| 18:23.10 | Neuro_Medivh | but there's only two types of mail. Either it's hunter +agility gear, or it's elemental shaman +int/spell damage gear |
| 18:23.37 | Neuro_Medivh | I was looking at the quest rewards in HFP, and there's like 3 different mail BPs that have +spelldmg, none with str |
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| 18:23.47 | Neuro_Medivh | not every shaman wants to be a mage |
| 18:24.34 | sysrage | lies |
| 18:24.37 | Neuro_Medivh | just a minor complaint... I'll probably end up getting socketed mail and filling it up with +str |
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| 18:25.57 | kaso | wait, the channel has been -t all this time and i didnt deface the topic! noo |
| 18:26.41 | Shadowed | Neuro_Medivh i have a complaint about BC too |
| 18:26.43 | Cairenn|afk | well, according to /chanserv info, it was on, but according to /mode it wasn't, so /shrug |
| 18:26.50 | Shadowed | all the crap that drops is caster stuff |
| 18:27.00 | Neuro_Medivh | so, here's a question: Does +str give some other advantage over just +atkpower? If you're a warrior, for example, every point of str is +2ap; is there a difference between +6str and +12 ap? |
| 18:27.02 | Mobeater | MOrnin Cairenn :p |
| 18:27.14 | Shadowed | Yes and no |
| 18:27.18 | sysrage | you can carry more loots! :P |
| 18:27.30 | Esamynn | Neuro_Medivh: iirc STR also helps with block |
| 18:27.37 | Shadowed | For Warriors, STR also gives us block (but it's like 22 STR for one block) |
| 18:27.59 | Shadowed | however, if you're focusing on raiding I would rather have 6 STR because with kings thats better then 12 AP |
| 18:28.12 | Neuro_Medivh | why so? |
| 18:28.18 | Shadowed | kings is 10% to stats |
| 18:28.21 | Neuro_Medivh | ahh, yes |
| 18:28.33 | Neuro_Medivh | ok |
| 18:28.38 | Shadowed | So instead of 6 STR, it becomes 7 STR...not a huge gain but it adds up |
| 18:30.01 | Shadowed | I always assume i'll be perma-kings when choosing gear in a raid suitation though since except for maybe 1% of the time during long fights where it wears off, you are perma kings |
| 18:30.08 | Neuro_Medivh | my other complaint is that all the faction rewards in Honor Hold are swords |
| 18:30.23 | Neuro_Medivh | wtf, where's the shaman love |
| 18:30.44 | Esamynn | Neuro_Medivh: how about the Druid love? :P |
| 18:30.54 | Shadowed | Druids got a lot of love, dont make me smack you |
| 18:31.29 | Esamynn | ok fine, I won't wish for the 40% health from Dire Bear Form back ;) |
| 18:31.41 | Shadowed | you wont be happy until you get death touch! |
| 18:31.57 | Esamynn | nah, Death Touch wouldn't be any fun at all |
| 18:32.02 | Esamynn | at least, not after a while |
| 18:32.22 | Shadowed | feral Druid friend complains that they are boring now, to easy |
| 18:32.33 | Esamynn | lol |
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| 18:52.00 | SCalimlim | servers are going back up....gogogogo |
| 18:52.19 | Mobeater | good news indeed |
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| 19:30.02 | qw` | does autobuffing when a buff expires work in 2.0? I always seem to forget my blessings |
| 19:31.01 | kaso | Nope, no form of smart casting of spells is possible outside of the macro system |
| 19:31.30 | kaso | Best you can do is an adddon that says "REBUFF YOUR SELF FOOL!" in big red letters |
| 19:31.52 | kaso | CT_Buffmod does this cool Swoooshy sound when your buffs are near to expiring |
| 19:32.14 | qw` | Hmm yeah that might do the trick |
| 19:32.55 | qw` | I don't really mind hitting the buff manually, I just forget to start it |
| 19:33.13 | qw` | and same with find minerals / herbs etc when I die |
| 19:33.18 | qw` | always forget it |
| 19:36.44 | kaso | Its more of zzzcorrossshhhh sound actually, rather than just a plaine swoosh |
| 19:37.02 | qw` | ouch it's going to be a pain being a paladin in a raid now |
| 19:37.17 | qw` | buffbots |
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| 19:38.29 | kaso | Its still possible to have a "mash one button, smart buff" type thing, but they only work out of combat, if i recall correctly |
| 19:38.47 | kaso | i could be wrong, i have never really read up on the security system too much, never needed to use it |
| 19:45.30 | qw` | thanks man, the ct_buffmod is excellent |
| 19:45.39 | ^Alleyria`AFK | Oh yeah |
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| 19:48.06 | qw` | I also seem to remember there was a setting where you could change the max distance of the camera from your character? |
| 19:48.23 | ^Alleyria | In config.wtf I think |
| 19:48.50 | ^Alleyria | Also in Camera-Settings.wtf in the WTF\ACCOUNTNAME\SERVER\CHAR\<> |
| 19:49.22 | qw` | ah thanks, I'll check that out |
| 19:49.28 | zenzelezz | god damnit... why do they always mess up the servers whenever they say they're "doing maintenance" |
| 19:49.39 | zenzelezz | mess = f word |
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| 19:54.51 | ComicSansMS | one surely gets disconnected quickly around here ^^ |
| 19:55.19 | ComicSansMS | anyway, i've got another question regarding securetemplates: |
| 19:56.38 | Shadowed | kaso: you aren't wrong |
| 19:56.49 | ComicSansMS | the attribute "checkselfcast" is only there for taking care of pressed selfcast-keys? or is there something else about it? |
| 19:57.11 | kaso | cool! my memory works! |
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| 19:58.03 | Shadowed | I'd imagine, it means if the button should check for self cast on click |
| 19:58.03 | Bouvi | Mine memory sucks. First thing to go when you get older. |
| 19:58.15 | Shadowed | but i'm guessing base off the name |
| 20:00.57 | ComicSansMS | i was just wondering because selfcasting seemed to be such a trivial thing at first... |
| 20:01.16 | ComicSansMS | is this the way the standard ui actionbuttons actually do their selfcasting? |
| 20:02.22 | Shadowed | You could check the Blizzard code and find out! |
| 20:02.49 | ComicSansMS | *g* i'm currently digging my way through the securetemplates.lua and stumbled over it |
| 20:03.11 | Shadowed | I mean the action bar code |
| 20:03.48 | ComicSansMS | good thinking, i guess i'll give it a try |
| 20:04.30 | Shadowed | blah |
| 20:04.37 | Shadowed | trying to put stuff on name plates is a pain |
| 20:04.58 | ComicSansMS | quote: this:SetAttribute("checkselfcast", true); <from actionbar.lua, actionbuttons_onload> :D |
| 20:06.44 | zenzelezz | EU-Silvermoon just got hosed to hell again... I swear every time they touch that server they only make it worse |
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| 20:11.45 | cogwheel|work | ~seen beladona |
| 20:12.06 | purl | beladona <n=beladona@rrcs-24-227-87-110.se.biz.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 11d 5h 39m 34s ago, saying: 'the others are like cake walks'. |
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| 20:13.57 | tingle | hi |
| 20:14.05 | Gryphen | he3ya |
| 20:14.49 | tingle | anyone know if its possible to creat a macro/script that spamms sinister strike then everscrate (rogue) if the mob has 4-5 combo points |
| 20:15.29 | JoshBorke | don't think you can do things based on combo points |
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| 20:30.59 | Shadowed | so veryyy close |
| 20:35.08 | zenzelezz | I just don't get it... nine hours before weekly maintenance they decide to do something to the servers which utterly crashed several of them |
| 20:35.16 | Shadowed | It's like everything |
| 20:35.20 | zenzelezz | no explanation, no in-game warning, just server stopped working |
| 20:35.47 | Shadowed | Sometimes you will spend a month trying to test something, and the day you push it out to live it breaks because of something unexpected, or because somebody did X while wearing green socks and it breaks. |
| 20:36.08 | Shadowed | i'm fairly sure Blizzard doesn't purposely break the servers :p |
| 20:36.27 | zenzelezz | no, but why they couldn't wait with the changes until the other maintenance is what's pissing me off |
| 20:36.44 | zenzelezz | now I hours of playtime to this |
| 20:36.49 | zenzelezz | *now I lose |
| 20:37.07 | Shadowed | Theres nothing different from this maintenance to the next |
| 20:37.09 | sysrage | so stop playing |
| 20:37.40 | Shadowed | it sucks, but thats programming |
| 20:37.45 | zenzelezz | well, the thing is, I don't give a damn why the server is acting up. It simply shouldn't unless they all break |
| 20:37.52 | zenzelezz | it's always the same realms |
| 20:38.35 | Shadowed | there is far more that goes along in the background then we see, you have stuff like population to take into account too |
| 20:39.08 | zenzelezz | I blame them for that too... they allowed paid transfer to my already overcrowded server, and since that it has been even less stable |
| 20:39.08 | amro | hey, shit happens |
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| 20:39.21 | Bouvi | It is the one guy sitting at the server power plug who keeps pulling it for the power strip running those servers. |
| 20:39.57 | Shadowed | Blizzard doesn't want the servers to go down, it affects them far more then it you |
| 20:40.10 | Bouvi | Or since those servers are in the back they ran out of mouse food before getting back there. |
| 20:40.15 | zenzelezz | I am aware of that, but I am not a reasonable person |
| 20:40.20 | Shadowed | I can see that :p |
| 20:40.21 | amro | lol |
| 20:40.25 | tingle | um |
| 20:40.48 | tingle | are the servers going down for maitnence this night? (tomarrow morning) ? |
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| 20:41.06 | zenzelezz | as always |
| 20:41.20 | tingle | damm didnt know if it was today or tomarrow |
| 20:41.43 | Cide | www.worldofwarcraft.com |
| 20:41.44 | Bouvi | Well today for the US servers |
| 20:41.52 | Cide | should try reading, it's free! |
| 20:41.53 | zenzelezz | the only consolation about this is that Tuesday is the only night worth watching the TV |
| 20:42.06 | amro | it feels great to not care about the servers going down. somehow, I only play WoW now when I feel like it, which is about once a week |
| 20:42.51 | Bouvi | I am always at work during maint so never bugs me |
| 20:43.01 | amro | zenzelezz: maybe that's because its the only time you ever watch TV =P |
| 20:43.11 | Shadowed | heyyy Cide, you haven't had to deal with identifying mobs using level/health/name before have you! |
| 20:43.19 | Cide | no |
| 20:43.22 | Shadowed | damn |
| 20:43.24 | Cide | and I'm hopefully not insane enough to try it |
| 20:43.50 | Shadowed | it's not that bad |
| 20:44.22 | Shadowed | it's roughly 10% work, 10% guesstimating, 80% figuring out why it wont work! |
| 20:44.25 | Cide | then why did you ask for help? ;) |
| 20:44.40 | Shadowed | because i'm at the 80% of figuring out why it wont work :p |
| 20:45.12 | Shadowed | figured you may have done it for boss mods! |
| 20:45.32 | Cide | nope |
| 20:45.37 | Cide | sorry :) |
| 20:45.41 | Shadowed | oh well |
| 20:45.56 | tingle | could someone give me a link to the ui killz2lvl and one that shows how much gold ya earn per hour? curse gameing doesnt work atm |
| 20:46.50 | JoshBorke | such as wowinterface... |
| 20:47.00 | Shadowed | lies |
| 20:47.17 | cogwheel|work | Shadowed: you working on the sunder counter? |
| 20:47.24 | Shadowed | cogwheel|work yeah |
| 20:47.43 | Cide | tingle |
| 20:47.48 | tingle | ? |
| 20:47.53 | Cide | we're not here to be your parents |
| 20:47.56 | Cide | go look it up yourself |
| 20:48.09 | tingle | curse gameing doesnt work atm (the downloades) |
| 20:48.22 | Cide | so? |
| 20:48.27 | Cide | I could care less |
| 20:48.39 | Cide | read what Shadowed said |
| 20:48.50 | cogwheel|work | If you want to be really thorough, you could try identifying them by sprinkling a bunch of UnitIsUnit calls through your code... Since this'll be used mostly in raids, it should be fairly reliable... Then you can fall back on other methods if there is still some question... |
| 20:49.10 | Shadowed | cogwheel|work: The issue isn't identifying mobs when they sunder it, it's identifying name plates to display it |
| 20:49.15 | cogwheel|work | not sure how that'll affect performance though |
| 20:49.46 | cogwheel|work | hmm... |
| 20:49.57 | Shadowed | I can do a fairly good job identifying mob A from mob B when storing it when you sunder it, but you have to do some guessing if you have two of the same named mobs that are sundered, since all you have to go off of is name, level and health. |
| 20:50.21 | Cide | store last health & mana levels too |
| 20:50.30 | Cide | best shot you've got really |
| 20:50.38 | Shadowed | already storing health, but I can't get mana from name plates |
| 20:51.36 | Shadowed | half the issue is performance since you have to run this check every 0.25-0.50 seconds |
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| 21:10.55 | cogwheel|work | Shadowed: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=73388902&sid=1&pageNo=2#32 |
| 21:10.58 | cogwheel|work | >< |
| 21:12.53 | Shadowed | replied! |
| 21:14.26 | Wing87 | How do i round a number down if its below x.5 and up if its above x.5? |
| 21:14.33 | Shadowed | math.round( num + 0.5 ) |
| 21:14.46 | cogwheel|work | for display or for calculation? |
| 21:14.46 | Wing87 | ah tnx |
| 21:14.54 | Wing87 | calcuation |
| 21:15.04 | cogwheel|work | Shadowed: nope |
| 21:15.10 | cogwheel|work | math.floor(num+0.5) |
| 21:15.19 | MentalPower|ZZzz | right, there's no math.round |
| 21:15.35 | Shadowed | errr floor |
| 21:15.38 | cogwheel|work | actually, in WoW you can just use floor(num+0.5) (saves a table indexing) |
| 21:15.58 | Wing87 | tnx ill try it |
| 21:19.03 | Shadowed | I hate Maggroc so much |
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| 21:20.17 | Shadowed | so close to getting this to work, just need to figure out one more thing :/ |
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| 21:31.55 | bleetah | quick poll: how do you (generic you), as a mod author, avoid getting lots of guild requests for mod support the moment you log in? I'm curious as to the various techniques that may be used (as I'm running out of one's I've thought of) |
| 21:33.05 | Shadowed | I haven't had that many problems with it actually, most of the questions I get are related to our guilds raid mod |
| 21:33.16 | Elkano | post a price list in your guild board and demand payment in advance ;) |
| 21:33.17 | haste | People are afraid to ask me, for some reason :( |
| 21:33.38 | a-stray-cat | bleetah: I just say "go diaf." |
| 21:33.51 | a-stray-cat | they keep asking even after that though :< |
| 21:35.23 | Cide | my mods don't have bugs! |
| 21:35.40 | TC_Working | they have vermin |
| 21:35.44 | Shadowed | Why does my game freeze when I login, it must be CTRA! |
| 21:36.19 | bleetah | Shadowed: nah, that's clearfont |
| 21:36.34 | Shadowed | cogwheel|work: Technically we have Config.wtf! |
| 21:36.46 | Shadowed | and bindings |
| 21:36.59 | cogwheel|work | correct me, then :P |
| 21:37.08 | cogwheel|work | still, they don't update 'till logout ;) |
| 21:37.19 | cogwheel|work | or reload |
| 21:37.21 | Shadowed | yeah |
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| 21:45.19 | bleetah | man, I love how Blizz tech forums wil lspend pages chasing up some hardware fault, yet when posed with a simple 'yes/no' reply request, the post is just ignored |
| 21:45.40 | bleetah | or maybe it's just my account they've grown used to ignoring hehe |
| 21:45.49 | dukeku | will valtrex really suppress my herpes outbreak? |
| 21:45.50 | dukeku | s |
| 21:45.53 | dukeku | *crickets* |
| 21:45.56 | dukeku | damn you blizzard support! |
| 21:49.03 | bleetah | 'is port 8086 still used, 'coz I see what appears to be the crash buddy thing trying to talk on it, and it's mentioned in your BETA notes as a port to open, but not on the current network help page. It's not open here, and the crash assistant won't connect' |
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| 21:49.07 | bleetah | in a nutshell |
| 21:49.42 | bleetah | *beta notes from 2004 |
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| 21:51.13 | Shadowed | Well I guess WoW doesn't like Fraps |
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| 21:51.44 | bleetah | ? worked for me last time I tried it (late last year) |
| 21:52.43 | Shadowed | talk to my computer then cause it crashed :p |
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| 21:56.11 | bleetah | I believe that's the fault of CTRA |
| 21:56.12 | bleetah | or clearfont |
| 21:56.14 | bleetah | ;) |
| 21:56.31 | Shadowed | CTRA is more fun to blame |
| 21:56.47 | bleetah | it's prolly both, 'coz as we know they both teh suk ;) |
| 21:57.25 | bleetah | .. and goes makes his own |
| 22:07.42 | Shadowed | Is there something wrong with http://wowi.pastey.net/6115 that i'm missing? It's suppose to find the row with the closet saved health value to the health bar value...but it's not doing that |
| 22:10.30 | cogwheel|work | Shadowed: not really an answer to your question, but... http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#pdf-math.abs |
| 22:10.59 | Karrion | hmm is the closure in a table.sort supposed to be a boolean or a numeric? |
| 22:11.14 | cogwheel|work | boolean |
| 22:11.59 | Karrion | hmm it is supposed to be boolean, that's unusual |
| 22:12.30 | cogwheel|work | not really... it's supposed to return whether or not parameter 1 is < parameter 2 |
| 22:12.43 | cogwheel|work | that is inherently a boolean value... |
| 22:12.54 | cogwheel|work | ("whether or not") |
| 22:13.56 | Karrion | yeah I'm just used to sort algorithms that use a comparator returning [1,0,-1] (eg Java, php iirc) |
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| 22:14.27 | Karrion | having the trivalue means you can use a stable sort |
| 22:14.45 | Karrion | (plus the comparator can be just a - b) |
| 22:15.25 | Karrion | in any case, if in lua it's a bool then return (a.diff < b.diff) is correct |
| 22:15.52 | Karrion | I'm not 100% sure why you have the if block though |
| 22:16.34 | Shadowed | was letting it make the diff go negative at first so added that as a quick hack |
| 22:17.27 | Karrion | probably not needed now then since you're storing the absolute value of the difference |
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| 22:18.07 | Shadowed | yeah |
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| 22:20.02 | Shadowed | Maybe I should make it randomly choose which one to use, I bet nobody will notice |
| 22:20.20 | Karrion | lol |
| 22:27.03 | foxlit | Mm, I need a "steal this secureheader's state and apply it to a different one" attribute for a secureactionbutton :/ |
| 22:27.43 | Shadowed | ugh |
| 22:27.45 | Shadowed | this is hopeless |
| 22:29.30 | foxlit | What's wrong with |
| 22:29.45 | foxlit | table.sort(mobs, function (a,b) return (a.diff < b.diff) end) -- ? |
| 22:32.02 | Shadowed | but thats no different from whats being used |
| 22:32.55 | foxlit | kiss, then. |
| 22:33.38 | Shadowed | That is about as simple as you can get it unfortunately |
| 22:34.02 | foxlit | Ifs are overcomplicating things, no? :) |
| 22:34.25 | foxlit | Do you get an error out of that, or what happens? |
| 22:34.49 | raevanmorlock | Does anyone have a guide handy on creating addons without XML files? |
| 22:35.03 | Shadowed | wait....are you talking about the sort of the code in general? |
| 22:35.36 | Shadowed | the sort was using the if/else because of old code I never removed, the code in general has to have most of that if it's to even sort of work |
| 22:35.42 | Shadowed | theres no error being caused, just the logic is faulty |
| 22:35.57 | foxlit | http://wowi.pastey.net/6115 24-28 isn't really... needed? |
| 22:36.28 | raevanmorlock | nevermind I found it |
| 22:36.56 | Shadowed | read the second thing I said foxlit |
| 22:37.15 | foxlit | "even sort of work"? |
| 22:37.23 | foxlit | What's the opposite of "even sort of work"ing? |
| 22:37.42 | Shadowed | The sort is not using lines 24-28, and the sort isn't whats causing the problem |
| 22:38.26 | foxlit | They're directly inside table.sort. |
| 22:39.16 | Shadowed | ...i don't think you understand what i'm saying |
| 22:39.24 | foxlit | No, you aren't exactly making that easy. |
| 22:39.43 | foxlit | But if you only need one, why even bother storing them in a table? |
| 22:40.05 | Shadowed | Because you have multiple mobs and multiple mobs, and you need to find out which one is the closet to being correct |
| 22:40.17 | Karrion | actually that's a good point foxlit |
| 22:40.34 | Shadowed | er, multiple bars and multiple mobs |
| 22:41.08 | Karrion | local min, minMob; foreach mob if (mob.diff < min) then min=diff; minMob = mob; done |
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| 22:42.07 | Shadowed | true |
| 22:42.37 | Karrion | (err.. and initialise min to some absurdly high number before the loop) |
| 22:43.15 | Karrion | plus it's O(n) instead of qsort's O(nlogn) |
| 22:44.21 | Shadowed | yes but thats not what i'm trying to fix right now |
| 22:44.32 | Shadowed | I can deal with performance later, getting something that actually works is first |
| 22:48.15 | foxlit | So what is it that doesn't work, exactly? |
| 22:49.29 | Shadowed | Alright you know the name plates above mobs? |
| 22:49.36 | JoshBorke | good luck with those shadowed |
| 22:49.50 | Shadowed | They aren't so bad to work with really |
| 22:50.28 | Shadowed | What it's (suppose) to do is display how many sunders the mob has in the name plate along with how much time is left. |
| 22:51.05 | Shadowed | What it does is store name, level and last known health. If there are more then one mob with the same name/level it will attempt to do a health check and find out which last known health is closet to the bar health |
| 22:51.15 | JoshBorke | ok |
| 22:51.32 | JoshBorke | which part isn't working? |
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| 22:51.47 | Shadowed | "If there are more then one mob with the same name/level it will attempt to do a health check and find out which last known health is closet to the bar health" |
| 22:51.57 | foxlit | As in the stuff that appears above mobs when you press V? |
| 22:52.05 | Shadowed | correct |
| 22:52.52 | JoshBorke | iterate over all the bars on screen getting the value, then find the least abs(<bar value>-<health value>) |
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| 22:53.26 | JoshBorke | obviously just the bars you are interested in |
| 22:53.37 | Shadowed | Right, thats what it does now |
| 22:53.42 | foxlit | If I understand your code correctly, you interact with them through Nameplates ? |
| 22:53.53 | JoshBorke | yes |
| 22:54.16 | JoshBorke | i guess i should look at the code |
| 22:54.19 | foxlit | Aha. |
| 22:54.28 | foxlit | Ah, wait, you're not shadowed :P |
| 22:54.32 | Shadowed | well he's right :p |
| 22:55.20 | foxlit | Do you ever populate it, or is it always there? |
| 22:55.30 | JoshBorke | are you sure your sort function is correct? |
| 22:55.51 | JoshBorke | nvm, yea, it's good |
| 22:55.56 | Shadowed | foxlit: http://wowi.pastey.net/6118 |
| 22:56.09 | JoshBorke | though, i'd define your function for sorting outside of the for loop |
| 22:56.15 | JoshBorke | since it'll create a function each time |
| 22:56.33 | Shadowed | switching it to what Karrion said once I get the base stuff working |
| 22:57.14 | JoshBorke | (side note) how's anyone gonna see those when the mobs are 5 times larger? |
| 22:58.02 | Shadowed | then it wont matter, because i have yet seen a mob thats 5 times larger that one warrior has to tank 3-6 of :p |
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| 23:00.23 | cogwheel|work | Corrodias: nice forum topic |
| 23:00.29 | cogwheel|work | s/forum/channel/ |
| 23:00.44 | cogwheel|work | :P |
| 23:01.53 | JoshBorke | erm, how do you track sunders across mobs with the same mobid? |
| 23:02.19 | bleetah | with great difficulty |
| 23:03.28 | Shadowed | more data to go on when sundering a mob to store then we have to display it, but i'm sure the data itself is accurate |
| 23:04.35 | AnduinLothar | this can't be right. DM on curse shows "Downloads Today: 5,390" |
| 23:05.11 | AnduinLothar | last update was jan 11th |
| 23:07.32 | Shadowed | being able to use GM commands would make this easier to test! |
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| 23:10.29 | kaso | can anyone spot any obveous errors in my recursive table compare function here: http://www.pastey.net/6119 |
| 23:11.30 | AnduinLothar | i think there's old table compare code in Sea.. |
| 23:11.51 | kaso | old? as opposed to a new way of doing it? |
| 23:12.06 | AnduinLothar | no, as in written 2 yrs ago |
| 23:12.12 | kaso | oh |
| 23:12.18 | kaso | ok ill take a look at that thanks |
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| 23:12.47 | AnduinLothar | Sea.table.isEquivalent |
| 23:13.13 | AnduinLothar | can even embed the SeaTable addon if you want |
| 23:13.51 | kaso | How easy is it to embed just the table bit |
| 23:14.45 | AnduinLothar | throw the addon in your folder and add <Include file="SeaTable\SeaTable.xml"/> to the top of your xml file |
| 23:14.58 | kaso | easy easy sweet |
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| 23:19.34 | Cide | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:19.37 | JoshBorke | AnduinLothar: why do you use XML for the stuff? |
| 23:20.55 | Cide | kaso: http://pastey.net/6120 |
| 23:21.18 | Cide | courtesy of mostly iriel |
| 23:21.23 | AnduinLothar | you can just copy the function if you want, or customize your own. If you're only comparing certain functions you could optimize it. SeaTable's only like 7 functions so it's not huge. |
| 23:22.03 | AnduinLothar | And I use XML because it means I can embed addons multiple times. If you dont have an xml or would rather load the file from the lua that's fine |
| 23:22.16 | AnduinLothar | er |
| 23:22.19 | AnduinLothar | load form the toc* |
| 23:23.41 | JoshBorke | that's cool :-) was just curious |
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| 23:28.20 | Shadowed | hrmm |
| 23:30.22 | Shadowed | how odd, all of the code is working but somehow the frame value is getting changed magically |
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| 23:40.00 | cogwheel|work | I love how Reuters starts off their "Oddly enough" articles: ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - A married U.S. astronaut was accused on Tuesday of trying to kidnap and kill a rival for the affections of a fellow astronaut after a bizarre 950-mile drive wearing diapers to confront the woman. |
| 23:42.10 | Guillotine | o.O |
| 23:42.55 | Shadowed | So in summery, even idiots/crazies can become astronauts :p |
| 23:42.55 | bleetah | the trul;y bizarre bit is |
| 23:43.03 | bleetah | she wore an adult nappy so she didn't have to stop driving |
| 23:43.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | sounds like she was in a raiding guild for a while |
| 23:43.24 | Shadowed | thats the least bizarre part |
| 23:43.26 | bleetah | ah, oops, i didn't see you included that detail, cogwheel, oops |
| 23:50.43 | raevanmorlock | Does anyone know where Blizzard stores their text variables? I'm trying to find the variable that stores the "No Sell Price" text for the merchant shops |
| 23:50.53 | cogwheel|work | GlobalStrings.lua |
| 23:53.09 | raevanmorlock | Yup... another stupid question from me. (This is Retribution from the WoW forums). Thanks much again, cogwheel|work |
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| 23:54.54 | cogwheel|work | :) (not a stupid question :P ) |
| 23:55.18 | JoshBorke | that's actually not hat stupid |
| 23:55.23 | JoshBorke | erm, don't mind me, i'v ebeen drinking |
| 23:55.40 | raevanmorlock | lol Josh_Borke |
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| 23:56.39 | raevanmorlock | I should really shower, but I don't wanna stop workign when I'm actually making headway... btu then I've got class in half an hour. |
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| 23:57.40 | cogwheel|work | ... hic! |
| 23:57.58 | Guillotine | mmmmmmmm..... This thread is full of win. http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=74319664&postId=742932648&sid=1#0 |
| 23:58.33 | Shadowed | that is the worst attempt at humor i've seen in a while |
| 23:58.49 | Tain | Oh yeah? |
| 23:58.55 | Shadowed | Yeah |
| 23:59.01 | Shadowed | on the forums, not IRC |
| 23:59.05 | Tain | Well what's Red and White on the outside, and Red and Grey on the inside? |
| 23:59.06 | Corrodias | the worst? |
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| 23:59.16 | Guillotine | An inside out elephant? |
| 23:59.17 | Tain | A can of Campbells Cream of Elephant soup |
| 23:59.19 | Guillotine | Cream of elephant soup? |
| 23:59.23 | Guillotine | Tain beat me to it :( |
| 23:59.28 | Corrodias | it doesn't look so bad to me |
| 23:59.32 | JoshBorke | i like the thread about gnomes being dismounted/swimming in black morass |
