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| 00:07.44 | JoshBorke | lol |
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| 00:08.59 | JNighthawk | Hi all. How do you get the category of an item (as seen on the AH)? |
| 00:10.53 | seebs | JN: Not sure. Lemme look. |
| 00:11.31 | seebs | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetItemInfo |
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| 00:11.54 | Tierrie|Work | How does that common internet meme saying go? |
| 00:12.00 | Tierrie|Work | "link or doesnt' exist?" |
| 00:12.07 | seebs | I don't know. |
| 00:12.09 | Tierrie|Work | or was it "picture or didn't happen" |
| 00:12.23 | seebs | Ahh. "Screen shot or it didn't happen" is the modern one. |
| 00:12.32 | seebs | The more general is "post proof or retract". |
| 00:12.50 | Tierrie|Work | thanks |
| 00:12.56 | JNighthawk | seebs - http://bwt.no-ip.com/wdb/wdb.jpg |
| 00:12.58 | JNighthawk | oops |
| 00:12.58 | seebs | e.g.: "When I lived in Atlanta, I had no air conditioning, and in summer I had to sleep nude with no sheets." "POST PROOF OR RETRACT!" |
| 00:13.04 | JNighthawk | http://citizens.mookery.com/PHPGuildBankOutput.php |
| 00:13.08 | JNighthawk | That's what we've got so far. |
| 00:13.17 | JNighthawk | We're looking to categorize it. |
| 00:13.24 | Tierrie|Work | thanks seebs |
| 00:13.31 | seebs | Neat. |
| 00:13.37 | Tierrie|Work | kidding around with a friend on the guild boards |
| 00:13.59 | Corrodias | pics or it didn't happen |
| 00:14.04 | seebs | Separate out soulbound items. No one cares that you have "a water totem", because they can't exactly borrow it. |
| 00:14.07 | Corrodias | also tits or gtfo |
| 00:14.24 | JNighthawk | That's data from my character, not from the bank. The only thing the bank has that's not listed is the hearthstone |
| 00:14.35 | JNighthawk | I strip out the hearthstone |
| 00:14.53 | JNighthawk | That's just test data, not from our bank ;_0 |
| 00:14.55 | JNighthawk | :-)* |
| 00:14.57 | Karrion | JNighthawk: might like to consider linking to wowhead or alla rather than thott; that way you can link by the actual item id rather than having to search |
| 00:15.17 | JNighthawk | do their item IDs match WoWs? |
| 00:15.28 | JNighthawk | That's the only reason I don't link directly on Thott, cuz the item IDs don't match WoW's. |
| 00:15.37 | Karrion | yep, alla's and wowhead's do, thott's don't |
| 00:15.43 | JNighthawk | ty, I'll check that out. |
| 00:16.07 | Tierrie|Work | thott needs a healthy db wipe |
| 00:16.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah, didn't they do one for 1.10? |
| 00:16.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | when the instance caps got changed? |
| 00:17.00 | Tierrie|Work | Don't know |
| 00:17.04 | Adys | that was allakhazam |
| 00:17.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | either way it's about time |
| 00:17.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | <3 wowhead though |
| 00:17.32 | Tierrie|Work | wowhead's db is cleaner |
| 00:17.43 | AndrewFBlack | is there any way to make certain data in your chat box show up on a form instead of the chat box |
| 00:17.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | i love thottbot but wowhead's not nearly hammered as much |
| 00:17.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | plus the filters |
| 00:17.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | man, i love the filters |
| 00:18.17 | Karrion | yeah wowhead's code, design and data quality are top notch |
| 00:18.27 | Karrion | only problem so far is their data _quantity_ |
| 00:18.52 | cladhaire | i'd help |
| 00:18.54 | cladhaire | but i'm on a mac =/. |
| 00:18.56 | cladhaire | no love |
| 00:18.59 | Karrion | there's a lot of linkage missing, especially for the newer stuff |
| 00:19.01 | Tierrie|Work | I'd say the reason I go to wowhead is layout (ajax), quality and then comments in that order |
| 00:19.10 | cladhaire | the comments are spectacular |
| 00:19.12 | cladhaire | imho |
| 00:19.18 | Tierrie|Work | ther use of ajax is nice, primitive but nice |
| 00:19.27 | kaso | The one think wowhead lacks imo is searching by spell type, for example, on thottbot you can click on the spell mechanic to search for other spell using the same mechanic, wowhead cant |
| 00:19.28 | cladhaire | its enough to make a difference. |
| 00:19.33 | Tierrie|Work | ja |
| 00:19.39 | Tierrie|Work | and their front page is very nice |
| 00:19.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm not usually a big fan of "web 2.0" stuff but i really really like how fast wowhead is |
| 00:19.44 | Tierrie|Work | none of that stupid INFINITY CATEGORIES |
| 00:19.49 | Tierrie|Work | or INFINITY LEFT BAR |
| 00:19.53 | Karrion | bah, thott's comments are much better, so far I haven't had a single item on wowhead correctly identified as hunter loot! >.> |
| 00:19.55 | Tierrie|Work | definitely hint of web 2.0 |
| 00:20.14 | seebs | I just want my addons to stop throwing weird errors in combat. |
| 00:20.26 | seebs | More importantly, I want WoW to CORRECTLY identify which addon threw the error. |
| 00:20.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | and every item doesn't have easy-to-access gold buying ads thrown into the comments |
| 00:20.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | i mean, what if i want to buy gold? i have to manually type the url in? pfft |
| 00:21.02 | seebs | I got a thing telling me that my mailbox scanner had tried to change the visibility of a window during combat. I think not. |
| 00:21.37 | Tierrie|Work | haha |
| 00:22.52 | seebs | If the notifications were actually CORRECT, I could fix the code and submit patches. |
| 00:23.11 | seebs | As is, the thing telling me that a particular addon tried to access a protected function tells me only that SOME addon did SOMETHING. |
| 00:23.17 | foxlit | Should dump debugstack() on you |
| 00:25.02 | Tierrie|Work | hey question -> http://wiki.shadowpriest.com/index.php?title=Theorycraft/Caster_DPS_Comparison |
| 00:25.07 | Tierrie|Work | what does this mean in that article I am assuming a boss fight in which the target is +3 levels above the character and cannot be frozen/feared/stunned/disoriented/etc. This means a base 17% miss-rate before gear and an unmitigatable 24 resistance to all schools of magic for non-binary spells. |
| 00:25.23 | Tierrie|Work | in particular what does "unmitigatable 24 resistance" mean? |
| 00:25.41 | Tierrie|Work | more specifically, why is the resistance unmitigatable |
| 00:26.01 | foxlit | You can't penetrate it? |
| 00:26.05 | foxlit | Dunno, sounds odd. |
| 00:26.05 | kaso | hmm |
| 00:26.22 | kaso | i guess the 24 resist comes from level bases resistances, but then it still should be penetratable |
| 00:26.23 | cladhaire | Tierrie: ALL mobs have that |
| 00:26.27 | Tierrie|Work | well here's where my confusion arises -- to my knowledge, all resistances is mitigable via spell penetration |
| 00:26.51 | Tierrie|Work | and the only way they can resist if they have 0 resistance is via the level difference |
| 00:27.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | >:| |
| 00:27.12 | foxlit | Spells have an unmitigatable chance to resist completely, though |
| 00:27.17 | cladhaire | yes |
| 00:27.18 | cladhaire | all spells |
| 00:27.26 | foxlit | Spellhit caps at 99%, not 100% like melee. |
| 00:27.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | the rate that armor is increasing in bc is driving me nuts |
| 00:27.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm meleeing for less than 100 in cat form :[ |
| 00:27.40 | Tierrie|Work | but its based on the level difference I thought |
| 00:27.45 | bleetah | Mr_Rabies2: you *are* nuts :P |
| 00:27.48 | foxlit | Yes and no. |
| 00:27.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | well, |
| 00:28.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | more so now |
| 00:28.04 | Tierrie|Work | ok let me rephrase my statement |
| 00:28.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | there's varying levels of insanity |
| 00:28.19 | foxlit | A level 71 mob would have a larger %resist than a level 70, but if you had +100% spellhit on, you'd still experience 99% on both. |
| 00:28.31 | Tierrie|Work | I thought the 1% unmitigable spell resistance is staticly tied to the mechanic, not as a result of an unmitigable 24 resistance |
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| 00:29.23 | foxlit | Dunno; was specced frost when paying attention to it |
| 00:29.45 | kaso | I think it is tied to the mechanic, they just happen to be modeling it as 24 resistance for this |
| 00:30.16 | Tierrie|Work | ok so my confusion arises because that statement seems to tie the 1% mechanic resistance to a numerical magical resistance |
| 00:30.34 | Tierrie|Work | or could be what kaso said -- the numeric magical resistance is just a model |
| 00:34.00 | foxlit | It's easy to test, though. |
| 00:34.28 | foxlit | Go find a mage with decent (+4ish?) spellhit, and see if they get partial resists on an equal-level mob |
| 00:35.14 | Tierrie|Work | how will that test it? |
| 00:36.10 | foxlit | Actual resistance should result in partial resists at least some of the time; a fixed 99% spellhit should only give you whole resists. |
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| 00:36.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nz0IrMvVO3Y&eurl= |
| 00:36.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | hahaha |
| 00:36.55 | Tierrie|Work | according to the statement, if modeled correctly, implies that you can still get partial resists since they said "to all schools of magic for non-binary spells" |
| 00:44.00 | bleetah | anyone know anything about http://www.amazon.com/Beginning-Lua-Programming-Kurt-Jung/dp/0470069171/ as a book? yeah, not released yet, figured someone may have heard something |
| 00:44.18 | bleetah | I've given up on my local tech book shop, going to buy PiL from amazon, that book's on one of those discount deal things |
| 00:44.42 | kaso | Wow, that hair |
| 00:47.49 | Kirkburn|afk | No-one's playing Name that Game with me on #wowwiki :( |
| 00:48.06 | zenzelezz | O_o |
| 00:48.30 | Kirkburn|afk | Wish I knew the correct spelling for this but hey: "Homus!" |
| 00:48.47 | Kirkburn|afk | That's a clue |
| 00:48.59 | zenzelezz | Age of Empires |
| 00:49.05 | Kirkburn|afk | :D |
| 00:49.15 | Tain | Simpsons Road Rage! |
| 00:49.50 | Kirkburn|afk | zenzelezz got it, silly :P |
| 00:50.24 | Tain | oh we were playing a game? |
| 00:50.40 | JoshBorke | taint! |
| 00:50.52 | Tain | ~surprise |
| 00:51.02 | purl | BUTTSECKS! |
| 00:51.42 | bleetah | ~impressiveclergyman |
| 00:51.44 | purl | Mawage. Mawage is wot bwings us togeder tooday. Mawage, that bwessed awangment, that dweam wifin a dweam... And wuv, tru wuv, will fowow you foweva... So tweasure your wuv. |
| 00:52.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | ~sotn |
| 00:52.44 | purl | What is a man? A miserable little pile of secrets! But enough talk! Have at you! http://youtube.com/watch?v=c7E_in_uZnc |
| 00:53.15 | foxlit | Meh, rewriting this for secureframes will trash all of my elaborate logical vs. physical assignment of buttons. |
| 00:53.27 | foxlit | Oddly enough, it'll look prettier. |
| 00:54.42 | Tain | I am a miserable little pile of secrets. |
| 00:56.04 | bleetah | ~westley |
| 00:56.06 | purl | You warthog-faced buffoon. |
| 00:59.11 | Kirkburn|afk | ~warcraft |
| 00:59.12 | purl | warcraft is, like, understood by looking at the two words that make it up-- warc and raft. Since warcs are extinct, warcrafts are not in great use anymore. |
| 00:59.25 | Kirkburn|afk | I like that one :) |
| 01:00.21 | Tain | Reminds me of the story I just read about a bar that got a cease and desist from the NFL for advertising a Superbowl Party. You have to be affiliated to use the term Superbowl. |
| 01:00.29 | Tain | So they are not advertising a Superb Owl party |
| 01:00.35 | Tain | now |
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| 01:03.44 | zenzelezz | lol |
| 01:03.55 | bleetah | ugh, I should cancel my Amazon account 'coz they recommend Sting, Norah Jones, Moby and Donny Osmond to me :/ |
| 01:04.12 | cladhaire | where are the arena organizer? |
| 01:06.31 | Kirkburn|afk | Tain, I'm imagining a bar full of tawny owls now :P |
| 01:06.32 | zenzelezz | bleetah: the recommendations can be funny... they once recommended me some engineering books, because I'd previously bought books about "assembly" (the language) |
| 01:07.22 | bleetah | yeah |
| 01:07.41 | bleetah | just 'coz I'm searching lots for Bill Laswell, it seems to think Barry Manilow is relevant |
| 01:07.57 | zenzelezz | gogo tagging =) |
| 01:07.58 | bleetah | sure, Laswell's worked with pretty much everyone at some stage.. but i'm pretty sure not barry manilow |
| 01:12.26 | AndrewFBlack | is there anyway to make chat text show up in a form |
| 01:14.04 | foxlit | what form? |
| 01:15.46 | AndrewFBlack | a xml form I make |
| 01:17.16 | Karrion | AndrewFBlack: define a FontString on your form, then you can call SetText() on it to display any text you like |
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| 01:49.12 | AndrewFBlack | can you have to many funtions in a lua file? |
| 01:52.50 | Tierrie|Work | only as much as the client's memory can support |
| 01:52.56 | Tierrie|Work | which is a lot more than you can write i'd imagine |
| 02:25.28 | Cairenn|afk | no interviews, NO tight red dress pictures! |
| 02:26.19 | Cairenn | and hi all |
| 02:26.44 | Esamynn|Code | hey Cairenn |
| 02:26.54 | Nom- | awww no tight red dress pictures? |
| 02:26.58 | Cairenn | no |
| 02:27.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | <Tierrie|Work> you should interview Cairenn |
| 02:27.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | <Tierrie|Work> She does a crapload of work and doesn't get enough recognition |
| 02:27.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | <Tierrie|Work> Bonus if you can get a picture of her in a tight red dress |
| 02:27.17 | Tain | Does that mean pictures outside of the tight red dress? |
| 02:27.25 | bleetah | i'd only be upset if there was a ban on chicks being in the tight red dress as well |
| 02:27.25 | Cairenn | none of them, either |
| 02:27.37 | Nom- | ... that you know of |
| 02:27.38 | Nom- | ... |
| 02:28.31 | Cairenn | you guys do so enjoy trying to make me paranoid,don't you? |
| 02:28.43 | Nom- | :) |
| 02:28.45 | bleetah | no, that's a lie |
| 02:28.55 | Tain | And surprises |
| 02:28.58 | Nom- | It's not paranoia if there really is someone out to get you :D |
| 02:29.09 | Esamynn|Code | ~comfort Cairenn |
| 02:29.10 | purl | There, there, Cairenn. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 02:29.24 | Nom- | ~maul Esamynn|Code |
| 02:29.36 | Nom- | Come on purl, you have to know how to maul someone? |
| 02:29.39 | Esamynn|Code | ~lart Nom- |
| 02:30.08 | bleetah | ~inigo |
| 02:30.09 | purl | Let me 'splain. No, there is too much. Let me sum up. |
| 02:30.21 | Cairenn | rawr! |
| 02:30.38 | bleetah | ~inigo |
| 02:30.40 | purl | You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. |
| 02:32.05 | Cairenn | btw, I presume you guys have all seen this by now, right? http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=63167579&sid=1&pageNo=3#52 |
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| 02:32.29 | Cairenn | hey loup :) |
| 02:32.36 | Garoun|Loupana | eve :) |
| 02:33.25 | Nom- | UpdateAddOnMemoryUse |
| 02:33.26 | Nom- | OMG YAY |
| 02:34.12 | zenzelezz | no more "which addon is eating memory?" |
| 02:34.24 | Cairenn | :) |
| 02:35.01 | Esamynn|Code | zenzelezz: note that it's not 100% accurate and it's easy to "fool" |
| 02:35.16 | Esamynn|Code | there's no way it could be 100% accurate |
| 02:35.26 | zenzelezz | intentionally or unintentionally? |
| 02:35.38 | Nom- | Why wouldn't it be accurate? |
| 02:35.59 | Tain | Although it is a very positive addition it is also going to be severely misunderstood by some people. I already forsee people complaining about addon memory usage because they think it looks high without understanding what the numbers mean. |
| 02:36.26 | zenzelezz | doesn't matter |
| 02:36.33 | zenzelezz | they always find some way to whine on addons they don't like |
| 02:36.36 | Nom- | Welp, I look forward to identifying which of my addons takes me from 40mb memory to 84mb memory over 30 minutes :P |
| 02:36.45 | Nom- | It's probably a combination of all of them |
| 02:36.47 | Nom- | But still :) |
| 02:37.51 | zenzelezz | if you can only intentionally fool it, then the addons doing that would be suspicious enough already |
| 02:38.13 | bleetah | heh, the old 'omfg my X server's consuming more than my phys mem' scream of the clueless! I can barely wait |
| 02:38.15 | Nom- | heh |
| 02:38.34 | Nom- | *hopefully* it will be useful tho |
| 02:38.49 | Nom- | Help mod authors test differnt changes to reduce garbage |
| 02:39.07 | Nom- | Have they announced a push date for the next patch yet? |
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| 02:44.44 | bleetah | ~emulate bowlofpetunias |
| 02:44.45 | purl | Oh no! Not again! |
| 02:45.42 | Nom- | ~emulate bleetah |
| 02:45.43 | purl | ACTION Baaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 02:46.02 | Nom- | Pnwed. |
| 02:47.39 | bleetah | ~emulate marvin |
| 02:47.41 | purl | Life...don't talk to me about life. |
| 02:49.07 | Karrion | Hmmm... does anyone here know anything about the gritty innards of the UseItemByName() API function? |
| 02:50.37 | bleetah | so how long was BC avail for download purchase in EU before they took it down? or did it never really make it up? |
| 02:51.07 | bleetah | hehe http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.wowinsider.com/media/2007/02/boxes4nubs.jpg |
| 02:51.45 | Nom- | heh |
| 02:51.49 | Nom- | I don't have a boxed copy of WoW |
| 02:51.52 | Nom- | Only TBC |
| 02:51.59 | Nom- | Because I couldn't be bothered waiting for the download version :) |
| 02:52.24 | cladhaire | So. |
| 02:52.25 | cladhaire | um. |
| 02:52.26 | cladhaire | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=27886#M0z |
| 02:52.34 | cladhaire | this is a horrible item |
| 02:52.51 | Tain | Obviously Hunter loot |
| 02:53.02 | cladhaire | guess how much it actually gives |
| 02:53.06 | cladhaire | +49 to the periodic |
| 02:53.10 | cladhaire | thats 7 hp per tick. |
| 02:53.12 | cladhaire | i mean.. wtf |
| 02:53.35 | Nom- | lol |
| 02:53.43 | Tain | Well.. its a relic. |
| 02:54.10 | a-stray-cat | is there a slash command for start autorun? |
| 02:54.30 | Nom- | No, what's wrong with pressing NumLock ? |
| 02:54.41 | a-stray-cat | that i have to reach over and press it? |
| 02:54.51 | Nom- | Get a mouse with a thumb button? |
| 02:54.53 | a-stray-cat | i want a macro that will mount if im not mounted |
| 02:54.57 | a-stray-cat | then autorun if i am mounted |
| 02:55.03 | Tain | Change it to a different key. There's no command to turn on autorun |
| 02:55.12 | a-stray-cat | alright |
| 02:55.17 | Tain | Used to be! |
| 02:55.25 | cladhaire | Tain: ? |
| 02:55.32 | Tain | Well sort of. |
| 02:56.01 | a-stray-cat | you can't /script ToggleAutoRun or something? :p |
| 02:56.22 | Tain | It should be +88 on each tick of Lifebloom. That would be cool. |
| 02:57.27 | zenzelezz | why? |
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| 02:58.25 | cladhaire | it should be somethign that it advertises |
| 03:12.53 | Tain | There's something weird to me about seeing commercials for the Free Masons recruiting for members. |
| 03:13.10 | bleetah | http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/top-paraglider-attacked-by-eagles/2007/02/02/1169919511496.html |
| 03:16.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | that url |
| 03:16.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | makes me laugh |
| 03:17.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | "It swooped in and hit me on the back of the head, then got tangled in the glider which collapsed it. So I had a very, very large bird wrapped up screeching beside me as I screamed back," Moss said. |
| 03:17.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | this picture conjures some hilarious mental images |
| 03:17.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | er quote |
| 03:20.26 | Tierrie|Work | Free Masons has been running low on members for the past few years now |
| 03:20.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | <Tain> Well.. its a relic. |
| 03:21.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | read: it's useless and you may as well not bother farming for it |
| 03:21.33 | bleetah | I'm frequently amused by the number of men who get around wearing ties who, at the same time, belittle the Masons. |
| 03:22.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | van cleef was just a stonemason looking out for his town :[ |
| 03:22.29 | Tierrie|Work | well that bitch shouldn't have stood in my way |
| 03:22.49 | Tierrie|Work | what's funnier is the decline of the society of the odd fellows |
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| 03:24.50 | bleetah | what isn't funny, is the similar decline in community work that they traditionally did. |
| 03:26.06 | bleetah | with the denial of religious deities, the rising of the nation state, people seem to expect to pay no taxes, not be involved at a community level yet expect everything in return.... |
| 03:27.26 | Tain | I worship the soap box. |
| 03:27.49 | bleetah | mines almost worn out from being dragged out and put back so often |
| 03:27.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | man |
| 03:28.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | gotta love random nosebleeds outta nowhere |
| 03:28.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | gotta lay off the coke |
| 03:28.40 | bleetah | yeah, snorting a soda ain't good for your health |
| 03:28.56 | bleetah | i snorted icing sugar once, for a college video production |
| 03:29.01 | bleetah | *don't* try that at home, folks :/ |
| 03:29.20 | bleetah | prolly one of the silliest things I've ever done.. the consequences didn't occur to me |
| 03:34.18 | Tain | Try some snuff! http://www.4noggins.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&Category=109 |
| 03:34.28 | Tain | Any product named, "Crumbs of Comfort" must be good. |
| 03:34.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | (i don't do coke, i'm just naturally insane) |
| 03:34.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's just really dry down here or something |
| 03:34.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | second nosebleed this week |
| 03:35.01 | Tain | You don't do coke. You just like the way it smells. |
| 03:35.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://youtube.com/watch?v=ILbpV3erCyk |
| 03:36.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | doh |
| 03:37.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | there's the full video: http://youtube.com/watch?v=O2ZFHpva31U |
| 03:37.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | you haven't lived until you've seen a clown ski down a mountain of cocaine |
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| 03:40.46 | seebs | Argh. Creeping featuritis is going to kill me. |
| 03:41.06 | seebs | I want to write a thing for ToDo that looks a little more like the traditional quest log. |
| 03:45.41 | sysrage | *shudder* |
| 03:45.52 | sysrage | why would anybody want anything even remotely resembling the traditional quest log? |
| 03:46.40 | sysrage | i can't stand questing without partyquests or ANYTHING other than the normal one |
| 03:46.40 | bleetah | seebs: I grabbed your mod, will take a peek later today. If anything springs to mind, you'll hear from me ;) |
| 03:47.03 | seebs | Well, really, the reason is shift-clicking on quests to track them. |
| 03:47.33 | seebs | I want to make my own window that shows both user-defined quests and in-game quests, so you can shift-click any of them to watch them. |
| 03:47.47 | seebs | Right now, I have to write "/todo add <questname>" to watch quests with no objectives. |
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| 03:48.04 | seebs | I'd probably imitate PartyQuests more than the regular quest log. |
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| 03:48.53 | sysrage | partyquests lets you shift-click to link the name in chat or there's checkboxes to track them. i just jumped in out of nowhere so i didn't read everything you've been saying, but you could look at that code for pointers |
| 04:01.26 | Osagasu | Has anyone else noticed that one of the Kirin Tor in that village seem to be neutral to you if you're a mage? |
| 04:01.40 | Osagasu | in the one in the Netherstorm with the Violet tower, I mean |
| 04:03.09 | Guillotine | oh, seebs, btw, love ToDo |
| 04:03.14 | Osagasu | Belmara, I believe |
| 04:03.20 | Karrion | Osagasu: have you done any of the "find my X in wizards row" quests? |
| 04:03.22 | Guillotine | only thing that would be nice to add is a reputation target |
| 04:03.24 | seebs | Guillotine, thanks! |
| 04:03.40 | seebs | I'd been hoping to avoid those because there's SO many rep trackers out there, but... |
| 04:03.52 | seebs | I might just do it. I guess rep and skills would be good to tack on. |
| 04:04.20 | seebs | I am also starting to feel like making a GUI so I can take dragged items. Unfortunately, the standard quest log won't let you drag items from it. |
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| 04:04.50 | seebs | So I'm still going to need some way to take shift-clicked items and quests, and so far as I can tell, that means making a chat field that intercepts sends. |
| 04:06.21 | seebs | I have a bit of debugging to do, too. And, worst of all, actual paying work may be looming, which could make development hard for a bit. |
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| 04:19.12 | Nom- | wootay for pub lunchay |
| 04:20.30 | Guillotine | seebs: also, not sure how hard this would be, but it would be nice to add in "turn in quest" things. Should actually not be all that hard |
| 04:23.21 | seebs | What do you mean? |
| 04:24.06 | seebs | BTW, I have a vaguely related question: Can someone suggest straightforward code for "Find current player's skill rating at Bows"? |
| 04:24.18 | seebs | Ideally, something that would work for any skill, not just weapon skills, but I'm flexible. |
| 04:28.18 | Karrion | seebs: local skillName, header, isExpanded, skillRank, numTempPoints, skillModifier, skillMaxRank, isAbandonable, stepCost, rankCost, minLevel, skillCostType, |
| 04:28.19 | Karrion | skillDescription = GetSkillLineInfo(skillIndex); |
| 04:28.26 | seebs | Oh, dear. |
| 04:28.30 | Karrion | loop through until skillName matches |
| 04:28.53 | seebs | I was afraid you'd have me do that. That'll be sorta expensive to do all the time... Oh, wait. I can do it only on skill update messages. |
| 04:29.56 | Karrion | yeah just on SKILL_LINES_CHANGED and CHARACTER_POINTS_CHANGED I think |
| 04:32.26 | seebs | I was gonna do CHAT_MSG_SKILL. :) |
| 04:32.37 | seebs | I think it's safe to say that it has to fire any time one of my skills changes. |
| 04:33.19 | Nom- | It *shouldn't* take long to loop through the skills once |
| 04:33.21 | Nom- | In theory |
| 04:33.24 | Karrion | hmm should be |
| 04:35.04 | Nom- | muahahaha |
| 04:35.12 | Nom- | The guys in the office went out to play soccer today |
| 04:35.33 | Nom- | I said at about 11am, they better go now coz it's cool and it's heading towards 38 today |
| 04:35.40 | seebs | You have to understand, I learned to program on a sub-1MHz computer. |
| 04:35.44 | Nom- | They waiting and low and behold... it's 35 degrees now lol |
| 04:35.51 | seebs | To me, the notion of performing ANY LOOP AT ALL on a regular basis seems insanely costly. |
| 04:36.09 | Nom- | lol seebs |
| 04:36.15 | Nom- | Welcome to the Multi-GHz age |
| 04:36.39 | Nom- | You would be horrified if you knew the number of loops that WoW does |
| 04:36.50 | seebs | Yeah, but I figure it's good to be careful to only do things when you have to. I don't want to be one of those people whose addons slow the system noticably. |
| 04:36.50 | Nom- | Trust me, your occasional loop through skills is nothing |
| 04:37.23 | seebs | e.g., I scan bags when bags are updated, but then cache the results instead of scanning each bag for each object when checking objectives. |
| 04:37.37 | Nom- | If you need to query them regularly, you could always maintain a hash of which skill is on which index |
| 04:37.40 | seebs | If I were really diligent, I would only scan bags when you have user-defined quests that refer to objects. :) |
| 04:37.55 | seebs | I figure it's enough to just only do it on CHAT_MSG_SKILL and once at startup. |
| 04:38.27 | Nom- | I look forward to the day when they make a player-run mission system |
| 04:38.42 | Nom- | no xp, but you can comission someone for X gold to go get an item |
| 04:38.57 | Nom- | kinda like a reverse auction house |
| 04:40.59 | Mike-N-Go | Heh |
| 04:41.12 | Mike-N-Go | You mean, freelancing? |
| 04:41.39 | Nom- | Well, it's better for the sellers |
| 04:41.50 | Mike-N-Go | I like the idea. |
| 04:41.54 | Nom- | Go on there, oh ok person X wants Y x Z @ A price |
| 04:42.02 | seebs | I think one of the old addons was supposed to do this, but it's unmaintained. |
| 04:42.09 | Nom- | Sell it to them, instant cash, instant transfer of item to buyer |
| 04:42.18 | Mike-N-Go | Where you can post on a virtual bulletin board, with an add or something. |
| 04:42.26 | Nom- | Yeah, pretty much |
| 04:43.15 | Mike-N-Go | And then there would be a spical thing in the mail for sending it to them, where the seller would deposit the payment, and then when the farmer would send it, the money would transfer. |
| 04:43.22 | Mike-N-Go | spacial |
| 04:43.28 | Mike-N-Go | Bah, can't speak. |
| 04:46.21 | Guillotine | seebs: bug :( I just finished and turned in a quest, but its stuck on the quest watcher |
| 04:46.23 | Nom- | Well, i've just posted to the WoW suggestions forum |
| 04:46.42 | Nom- | Essentially the idea is I place an ad for 100 x Gold Bars @ 1g each (for example) |
| 04:46.59 | Nom- | It immediately costs me 100g to place that ad |
| 04:47.18 | Nom- | But then 5 minutes later, someone could browse the wanted ads, and see mine, and sell me their 20 gold bars for 20g |
| 04:47.30 | Nom- | Which would then update my ad saying 80 x Gold Bars still wanted |
| 04:47.54 | Nom- | Working much like the commodities market on Eve |
| 04:48.00 | Nom- | That works really well for instant cash |
| 04:48.39 | seebs | Guillotine: Thanks! I'm about to go do some questing, I'll watch for it. |
| 04:52.46 | seebs | You know, I hate to say it, but... I would not object at ALL to lua adopting perl's convention that "a string of only digits can be used as a number". |
| 04:56.02 | seebs | Woot! I now have a quest with the goal "Mining 125". |
| 04:56.19 | seebs | ... That I am looking for "125" and not, say, "350", pretty much summarizes the downside of addon development. |
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| 05:04.12 | Guillotine | lol |
| 05:05.39 | seebs | Well, I forgot to register for CHAT_MSG_SKILL. I'll try again next time I see a tin vein. |
| 05:06.11 | Guillotine | seebs: another suggestion. Repair. Shouldn't be too hard if you just hook the repair function |
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| 05:08.15 | Mike-N-Go | I have made like 400G selling things just because of TBC, lol. |
| 05:16.16 | Nom- | My Level 46 Pally has nearly 300g :) |
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| 05:25.05 | seebs | Guillotine: Hmm! Interesting idea, although I'm not sure how I'd best go about it. |
| 05:26.28 | seebs | My banker is closing in fast on 2Kg again. |
| 05:26.48 | seebs | Peaked at about 3k, then I got my enchanter Crusader, Lifestealing, and Unholy, and a couple of others. |
| 05:29.26 | seebs | Guillotine: I can't immediately reproduce your thing with the quest being stuck on the quest watcher. |
| 05:29.52 | seebs | I am trying to figure out how it could happen, because the quest watcher queries the quest database live for quest objectives and such, so I can't see how it could show a quest that's been turned in. |
| 05:30.57 | seebs | All I can think of is that the UpdateQuests hook must not have gotten hit. There has been some ambiguity over when to call it, although I think it's fixed now. |
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| 05:33.11 | seebs | I wish Ms. Shadowspear would be willing to give me the L27 and 28 quests for fire elementals and treants without requiring me to do the long-grey covert ops chain. |
| 05:33.12 | seebs | But no. |
| 05:35.01 | Nom- | Q: If four cars approach an intersection at the same time, who has right of way? A: The guy in the old pickup truck with a gun rack and a bumber sticker that says "Guns don't kill people; I do" |
| 05:37.54 | seebs | *snerk* |
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| 06:28.31 | Corrodias | what's the cost of training Flight Form, do you know? |
| 06:30.59 | Tem | like 5g |
| 06:31.04 | Tem | something stupidly cheap |
| 06:31.56 | Tem | since you can't hear the tone of my voice, I'll type the sub-text you would have been able to hear if you were in person |
| 06:31.58 | Nom- | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:31.58 | Nom- | Flight Form |
| 06:31.58 | Nom- | Shapeshift |
| 06:31.59 | Nom- | Feral Combat 16% Self Physical 7 Gold 29 Silver Trainer |
| 06:32.53 | Tem | mm, before I say this, does flight form still give you mount skill? |
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| 06:38.08 | DhragaWork | Stretches.... Morning all |
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| 06:41.20 | seebs | Morning. |
| 06:41.29 | Mobeater | okies, took a day off from this, and still can not figure it out, I have a frame called from my xml, how do I get data from my lua script to show up on it? in simple terms please, or a link that actually shows the code, thanks |
| 06:41.33 | Mobeater | morning seebs |
| 06:41.45 | Mobeater | sorry to greet ya with that same dang question :/ |
| 06:42.05 | seebs | Heh. |
| 06:42.16 | Mobeater | but I just can NOT get my head around it :( |
| 06:42.32 | seebs | The problem here is that your mental model is screwed up. A frame is not "called from" XML. Frames aren't "called" at all. |
| 06:42.42 | seebs | Okay, let's do this in two parts. |
| 06:42.55 | Mobeater | all ears mate (eyes int his case) |
| 06:43.01 | DhragaWork | Does anyone know if you can script a trinkets fizzle sound to silent during a macro press (that sound is driving me nuts:P) ? |
| 06:43.06 | seebs | First, let's get it so the text "Hello, world!" appears on your frame. No lua code, just a fontstring object with text="hello, world!" |
| 06:43.12 | seebs | Dhraga: I don't think you can. |
| 06:43.27 | DhragaWork | =( |
| 06:43.42 | seebs | So, inside your frame, something like <FontString name="MobeatersText" inherits="GameFontNormal" text="Hello, World!"/> |
| 06:43.44 | Mobeater | ok, I have that, It says Mobs Eaten |
| 06:43.58 | seebs | Okay. What does it have for name="..."? |
| 06:44.02 | DhragaWork | BUt you can alter some sound options like the join leave sound for raids/partys that was annoying before tbc trelease |
| 06:44.17 | Mobeater | <FontString name="$parentTitleString" font="Fonts\FRIZQT__.TTF" text="Mobs Eaten"> |
| 06:44.30 | seebs | ... Is this in a template, then? |
| 06:44.45 | seebs | Because "$parent" only makes sense in templates, I think. |
| 06:45.04 | Mobeater | not to my knowledge, I looked at code and diseminated as best I could and frankensteined it together |
| 06:45.30 | seebs | Let's just do the chintzy thing. Change that name to "MobeaterTitleString". |
| 06:45.30 | seebs | If it still works, and you see "Mobs Eaten", then... |
| 06:45.38 | seebs | Right after the line that looks like "totalMobsEaten = totalMobsEaten + 1;" put this line: |
| 06:46.03 | seebs | MobeaterTitleString:SetText(format("Mobs Eaten: %d", totalMobsEaten)); |
| 06:46.16 | seebs | (might be away for a bit, but good luck with this.) |
| 06:49.09 | Mobeater | okies, thanks, sorry, I borked something and now the mod will not load lol |
| 06:51.03 | seebs | Heh. |
| 06:51.15 | seebs | Well, I'm just waiting for a friend to log in so we can farm furbolgs. |
| 06:51.17 | Mobeater | okies, that worked, going to add the line after the +1 now |
| 06:51.25 | seebs | Good deal. |
| 06:53.28 | Mobeater | baf argument #2 (number expected got nil) was error |
| 06:53.43 | Mobeater | bad** |
| 06:57.24 | Mobeater | bad argument to #2 format (number expected, got nil) is the error actually |
| 07:01.42 | Mobeater | ok, if I put MobeaterTitleString:SetText(format("Mobs Eaten: %d", #)); where # = a real number, it works, but not with the totalMobsEaten variable in there |
| 07:03.48 | Mobeater | disregard errors lol, I do not have a totalMobsEaten lol, that was the error, I actually have totalMobsKilled, put that in and works great |
| 07:04.05 | Mobeater | thanks a TON seebs, I owe ya a 12 pack or somethin!! |
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| 07:48.26 | AndrewFBlack | I got a question for you guys how can I take the info from a text box and multiply it by 10? |
| 07:55.40 | AndrewFBlack | hello |
| 08:00.16 | Corrodias | no idea |
| 08:02.52 | Kemayo | tonumber(nameOfTextBox:GetText())*10 |
| 08:02.56 | Kemayo | Probably. |
| 08:04.10 | krka | i'd do some error checking too |
| 08:05.08 | Kemayo | That should be the basic concept, though. |
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| 08:15.17 | Corrodias | why is all the information about the nether drake mount (not the arena reward one, but a normal one) "rumor"? |
| 08:15.56 | Corrodias | what reason have we to even believe there is one that's available outside of the arena reward? |
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| 08:20.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://img.waffleimages.com/04d4af55cd61cec87652992dfbd644e27ee005c8/ifl2p9cd.gif |
| 08:20.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | :O |
| 08:21.46 | Corrodias | hah! |
| 08:22.59 | TheStig | does having 5/5 imiproved frostbolt reduct your spell potency? how am i to interpret the improved fireball/frostbolt talent change from the patch? |
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| 08:23.32 | Corrodias | the supposed questgiver npc exists in the game. has nobody followed it? why is the wowwiki article so woefully lacking in real information? |
| 08:24.03 | Corrodias | i am not sure, TheStig. spells that take less than 3 seconds to cast get a reduction in benefits from +damage, don't they? |
| 08:24.18 | Tierrie_ | yes |
| 08:24.21 | TheStig | i'm not sure |
| 08:24.34 | Tierrie_ | TheStig yes it does and then its reduced further from the new change |
| 08:24.58 | Tierrie_ | So if you take improved frostbolt and fireball, where your coefficient was previously 1 and .083 respectively, it will be reduced to .9 and .73 |
| 08:25.01 | Tierrie_ | so you deal less damage |
| 08:25.05 | Tierrie_ | but, you also cast faster |
| 08:25.08 | Tierrie_ | so overall you deal more |
| 08:25.30 | Corrodias | apparently the balance guys at blizzard decided mages were doing too much damage with frostbolt |
| 08:25.38 | Tierrie_ | hell yeah I am |
| 08:27.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | talenting stuff doesn't effect damage coefficient |
| 08:27.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | if something's 3.5 sec and nothing else untalented, it gets 100% regardless of if you can cut 5 sec off |
| 08:28.33 | Tierrie_ | it does as of last patch |
| 08:29.09 | Corrodias | the information on http://wowwiki.com/Nether_Drake is mostly speculation and hearsay |
| 08:29.10 | Tierrie_ | for each point of the improved frostbolt/fireball you take, it decreases spelldamage co-efficient by 2% |
| 08:29.35 | Corrodias | the most reliable source of information the page has is another site that talks about a nonexistant quest |
| 08:30.01 | Corrodias | well, that's not the most reliable. that's the most developed. the most reliable are a few vague lines from blizzard. |
| 08:32.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | # Each rank of "Improved Fireball" now reduces your spell damage coefficient by 2%. |
| 08:32.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | # Each rank of "Improved Frostbolt" now reduces your spell damage coefficient by 2%. |
| 08:32.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | O_o |
| 08:32.27 | Corrodias | from what i can see, they have never suggested that players will get nether drakes except via the arena. |
| 08:33.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh btw last time i checked |
| 08:33.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | i could buy the rogue pvp set on my druid :D |
| 08:34.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | or was that arena |
| 08:34.54 | Corrodias | do you think an experienced editor should take a crack at the wowwiki article to make it more apparent that there's no real reason to believe that nether drake mounts are or will be available outside the arena? |
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| 08:42.53 | Corrodias | i'm no journalism graduate |
| 08:43.00 | Corrodias | well, i will sleep now. 'ni |
| 08:48.05 | Corrodias | i guess the quests that one site mentions aren't nonexistant, but the information at the end of the article is completely false |
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| 09:51.49 | TheStig | do any of you guys know how to enable european text input so i can type those weird characters in game without using charmap or alt codes? |
| 09:52.14 | TheStig | i seem to remmber there being a way to do it by holding a key plus like ^ and the letter o to put those 2 dots above it or something |
| 09:53.34 | krka | just press the ö button |
| 09:53.40 | zenzelezz | lol |
| 09:53.41 | TheStig | i don't have that |
| 09:53.45 | TheStig | i need an IME |
| 09:53.52 | krka | really? what do you have there instead? |
| 09:53.53 | TheStig | for a japanese keyboard |
| 09:53.53 | zenzelezz | well, it depends on your keyboard I guess |
| 09:54.00 | TheStig | i have a japanese keyboard |
| 09:54.11 | krka | mine is from taiwan |
| 09:54.46 | TheStig | no not from japan, it is an actual japanese keyboard |
| 09:56.10 | zenzelezz | on my keyboard layout there's a key with those special characters, and it works by just hitting that key followed by a regular key; and if the second character supports those "special" stuff then it'll show it... otherwise it becomes two characters |
| 09:56.34 | TheStig | ok whats that layout |
| 09:56.42 | zenzelezz | Norwegian :-p |
| 09:56.50 | TheStig | damn |
| 09:56.58 | zenzelezz | not expecting you to have that one if you're using Japanese |
| 09:57.09 | zenzelezz | but it might have a similar function, I don't know |
| 09:58.38 | TheStig | there should be like |
| 09:58.47 | TheStig | something i can set it to |
| 09:58.57 | TheStig | i remember doing that before |
| 10:02.32 | TheStig | ok got it |
| 10:02.35 | TheStig | English-International |
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| 10:47.14 | TheStig | whats the best damage meters to use? |
| 10:48.14 | seebs | Dunno. |
| 10:48.30 | seebs | There's one called DamageMeters that I used when I was using Cosmos stuff, but it's got dependencies. |
| 10:48.44 | TheStig | yeah i don't like that |
| 10:59.43 | axxo | sw stats is the best |
| 10:59.54 | axxo | no question about it |
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| 11:12.52 | amro | morning |
| 11:40.58 | TheStig | axxo: do you know how to turn off the little check box at the bottom of the sw stats window? |
| 11:41.56 | axxo | hack the lua? ;o |
| 11:42.12 | TheStig | yeah that's what i'm going to do i was just wondering if you knew just where it is lol |
| 11:42.22 | TheStig | i guess i'll just search every file for the description text |
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| 11:48.36 | TheStig | sweet got it off |
| 11:49.36 | axxo | whats a good crafting addon? can't seem to find one i like |
| 11:49.57 | TheStig | to do what |
| 11:51.05 | axxo | sorting/queueing/searching, show what i can make with inventory+vendor |
| 11:51.05 | TheStig | ah |
| 11:51.05 | TheStig | no idea |
| 11:51.05 | TheStig | i just sort of know what i have and things that i can make that interest me i just make |
| 11:51.14 | TheStig | i don't really seek to use mats that i acquire i more or less just sell mats except the few things that i want for something that i like making |
| 11:51.40 | TheStig | like rich purple silk shirts, i never sell silk and i just know exactly what i need to make those, runecloth/mooncloth bags, and of course i keep all enchanting mats so |
| 11:51.49 | TheStig | i use enchantrix for that |
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| 12:20.11 | Wobin | Can anyone think of a way to identify a unit's zone? |
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| 13:03.37 | JoshBorke | Wobin: GetZoneInfo()? |
| 13:03.46 | JoshBorke | if they are in your raid/party yous hould be able to query it |
| 13:03.49 | Wobin | From a unit? |
| 13:04.02 | Wobin | how so? |
| 13:04.39 | JoshBorke | i know the currenty zone is returned in GetRaidRosterInfo(<i>) |
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| 13:11.10 | Wobin | aye but not in a party |
| 13:11.17 | Wobin | I think I'll have to tooltipscan |
| 13:11.25 | Wobin | but I'll cache the zone |
| 13:11.37 | Wobin | and if they turn up with 0,0. recheck the tooltip |
| 13:12.24 | JoshBorke | yea, i'd agree |
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| 13:37.07 | Josh_Borke | hola |
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| 15:00.51 | Bouvi | Looking for ToDo and AnnoyRP Users: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=42751#post42751 |
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| 15:29.24 | Wobin | Hm, Josh_Borke I've hit a snag |
| 15:29.39 | Wobin | if they're in a subzone, I can't find the zone from it |
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| 15:41.08 | qw` | Could anyone take a look at -> http://home.nith.no/~flimat/qbar/QBar-proposal.htm <- and tell me if this is possible with an addon today, or if it's technically possible to do? Kirov already gave me some input on how this could be achieved, but thought maybe someone else knew of an addon that can do it |
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| 15:43.04 | mitch0 | re |
| 15:44.08 | mitch0 | what is the easiest way to get a spell's tooltip text in an addon? I'd like to parse the spell range from the tooltip text |
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| 17:10.33 | qw` | Does there exist other keys that can be bound in combinations other than CTRL, ALT and SHIFT? |
| 17:11.16 | [Ammo] | in a wow sense, no |
| 17:11.52 | qw` | hm then my plan for effective keybinding just went to hell |
| 17:12.19 | [Ammo] | get a n52 or whatever the thing is called |
| 17:12.22 | [Ammo] | hardware solution :) |
| 17:12.39 | [Ammo] | it can do what you want |
| 17:12.45 | [Ammo] | (judging from the URL you posted earlier) |
| 17:13.33 | qw` | all right, I will have to check that out |
| 17:14.20 | qw` | Belkin Nostromo SpeedPad n52 ? |
| 17:16.13 | qw` | "Overall, this game pad performs very well in games that don’t require too many unique controls." |
| 17:16.46 | Thrae | qw`: Windows uses what's called a keyboard map to determine which signals from the keyboard to interpret as which keys. The keyboard map does not include other types of keyboards except international, and WoW uses the map. |
| 17:17.00 | MageRooster | That was lame... WSG, right? L29 Human Warrior with 3000 HP. |
| 17:17.14 | qw` | Thrae - I've already altered my keyboardmap in the registry |
| 17:17.29 | Thrae | qw`: You'll have to check if the Nostromo can use a Keymapper (which would not be against the TOS, nor considered illegal by Warden) |
| 17:18.28 | Thrae | Well I was pretty sure DirectInput uses Window's map, but maybe it doesn't. |
| 17:18.48 | qw` | Hm would it be considered bad form to write a small app that changes the keyboardmap when I press Q and E? |
| 17:19.14 | Thrae | qw`: I don't think that would work, but you could try. |
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| 17:20.23 | qw` | Hm no it wouldn't. My configuration would require 50 keys that I could remap to and my keyboard doesn't have enough spare keys to do that |
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| 17:20.55 | qw` | Looks like I will have to abandon my perfect setup for something less |
| 17:22.06 | qw` | But thanks for all your input, appreciate it |
| 17:25.10 | [Ammo] | there is alternatives to the n52 |
| 17:32.21 | Tain | Nostromo keypads or any other pads are not against the TOS. Using them to execute multiple functions at one press is. |
| 17:33.52 | steev64 | qw`: get a G15 |
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| 17:37.16 | Osagasu | Yeah, g15 has 54 of em |
| 17:38.10 | qw` | Osagasu - would the G15 be able to do this: http://home.nith.no/~flimat/qbar/QBar-proposal.htm |
| 17:38.12 | qw` | ? |
| 17:39.22 | Osagasu | It has three sets of eighteen keys that can preform multiple keypresses at once. And no, I don't use it that way. :P |
| 17:39.30 | Osagasu | You do the math, that is greek to me. |
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| 17:42.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-1249959,00.html |
| 17:42.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | O_o |
| 17:42.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | the picture, ahahaha |
| 17:44.29 | Osagasu | Okay, no it wouldn't be able to. You're talking about 2 sets of 25, this is 3 sets of 18 |
| 17:45.41 | qw` | Ah no it's not like that |
| 17:46.13 | qw` | I only want to use 9 buttons, but by dynamically change the keybindings with Q, E and SHIFT+[1-5] I'm able to address 50 different buttons |
| 17:47.02 | qw` | I always invoke an action with the buttons 1 through 5, but change what they're applied to with Q, E and SHIFT+[1-5] |
| 17:47.07 | qw` | or rather, that was what I did before 2.x |
| 17:47.22 | Osagasu | The closest thing the G15 can do is change between three sets with the press of a button |
| 17:47.50 | Osagasu | And then you'll still have to use all the buttons |
| 17:48.04 | qw` | mmh it wouldn't work the way I need it to it seems |
| 17:48.17 | qw` | I'm trying to figure out other ways to do this, but can't come up with any |
| 17:48.31 | Osagasu | Nostromo pads are probably closer to what you need. |
| 17:48.32 | qw` | I need a setup where I can address all my spells with one hand and do it fast |
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| 17:55.53 | Tain | Yeah unfortunatly qw WoW isn't well equipped for it, there's still too much emphasis put on the mouse. Which bugs me. |
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| 18:14.30 | Industrial | qw wow? |
| 18:14.52 | Industrial | nm |
| 18:15.34 | qw` | Tain - I think I finally found a setup that is good enough for me :D |
| 18:15.51 | Industrial | Tain: you cant play first or third poerson games with a mouse well, its a fact |
| 18:16.00 | qw` | I now have direct access to 48 buttons with even LESS clutter than before |
| 18:16.52 | Industrial | me 2 |
| 18:16.53 | Industrial | :) |
| 18:17.05 | Industrial | shift/ctrl/alt/normal |
| 18:17.28 | qw` | One bar that changes pages to eight different pages by pressing shift+[1-4], Q, E and modifiers ALT and CTRL |
| 18:18.00 | qw` | I just wish the keybindings in the blizz UI would let you directly bind a key to actionbars above 6 |
| 18:18.23 | sysrage | agreed |
| 18:19.37 | Tain | Industrial no, you can't play twitch shooters without a mouse well. |
| 18:19.45 | Tain | Everything else is keyboardable if you let it be. |
| 18:20.35 | sysrage | it's playable, but you aren't goign to do as well. i can tell when ppl use the keyboard to turn around in wow. just watch. they take 5 times as long to turn around |
| 18:21.05 | Tain | Yes, but that's because it is intentionally made to be that way. |
| 18:21.19 | Tain | I played EverQuest barely using a mouse. |
| 18:21.30 | Tain | Actually the only time I used a mouse for the most part whas when I had to try to target a specific thing in a group. |
| 18:21.46 | Tain | And I played a *lot* faster. |
| 18:23.03 | sysrage | *shrug* to each his own. i see something coming up behind me, i'm gonna instantly spin around with mouse instead of waiting for the slow ass left/right keys to turn me |
| 18:23.37 | Tain | heh yes but you're missing the point. The arrow keys are slow to turn because they are forced to be slow by the game. |
| 18:24.08 | sysrage | what does it matter why they're slow? they're slow. period. using mouse is faster |
| 18:24.48 | Tain | My mind is drawing a blank of how to breach the gap of understanding here. |
| 18:25.18 | sysrage | there's nothing i don't understand. yes i get they programmed the speed which arrow keys turn you. you're trying to tell me not using the mouse can be faster. it can't |
| 18:25.30 | Tain | Well no, I never said that. |
| 18:26.02 | Tain | I said not using the mouse for some things is faster. Many things. You pointed out a specific thing where the mouse is always going to be faster, and that's fine and true. |
| 18:26.15 | sysrage | ok in eq.. and i think i remember an auto-face thing in eq. so maybe there.. or maybe that was daoc |
| 18:27.18 | Tain | If your point is to list out specific functions that are faster with a mouse I'm not arguing that. |
| 18:27.52 | Tain | My point is that there are things that you simply cannot do without a mouse in WoW, and that I don't like. There's too much emphasis on a mouse. |
| 18:28.09 | sysrage | ok then. i missed that original point |
| 18:36.52 | Shadowd | Anyone know if the information regarding capture times has been released for world pvp objectives like EPL? |
| 18:37.05 | Shadowd | or if somebody has found them |
| 18:41.05 | qw` | I'm pretty much using the keyboard for everything except turning and clicking world objects |
| 18:41.11 | qw` | and now it's working fine again |
| 18:41.20 | Industrial | Tain: "twitch" |
| 18:41.21 | Industrial | ? |
| 18:41.44 | Industrial | you mean like, games where things other then you move? :P |
| 18:43.06 | Industrial | Tain: what was different in EQ compared to wow in terms of moving around your character/looking around? |
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| 18:48.00 | zenzelezz | gngh... Shadow Labyrinth, Murmur drops two pieces of Oblivion... and none in the team needs it |
| 18:48.51 | sysrage | almost every instance i've done in TBC has dropped a ton of pally shit and we have no pallys |
| 18:48.55 | Tain | It wasn't the movement, although turning was faster than in WoW with the keyboad which is just crippled. |
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| 18:49.08 | Tain | It was that you could do everything with the keyboard. Loot corpses, open doors, use items in front of you. |
| 18:49.41 | sysrage | which makes it far easier for botters |
| 18:49.48 | sysrage | which i believe is why they don't allow it in wow |
| 18:50.00 | Industrial | how are you gonna ever kill something that moves |
| 18:50.04 | Industrial | without a mouse |
| 18:50.10 | Tain | Industrial ... what? |
| 18:50.21 | Industrial | i just step through you so you cant hit me.. |
| 18:50.31 | Industrial | you turn i step again, lol |
| 18:50.36 | Tain | It might have been to prevent botters, or at least, slow them down, but it failed. |
| 18:51.12 | Tain | PvP enters into the "twitch" gaming I mentioned. |
| 18:51.32 | Tain | PvE things don't circle-strafe around you. |
| 18:51.55 | Tierrie|Work | which means that you can macro everything |
| 18:51.56 | sysrage | heh. daoc stick ftw. auto circle-strafe around things |
| 18:52.03 | Industrial | sysrage: yah |
| 18:52.13 | Industrial | sysrage: but hetting hit and getting a casting timeout ftl |
| 18:52.20 | sysrage | heh ya |
| 18:52.31 | Industrial | sysrage: but nuking spells in a queue ftw |
| 18:52.33 | Industrial | :> |
| 18:53.18 | Tain | It obviously doesn't matter since it is what it is. I don't have any illusions that it would change. I simply don't like a mouse being mandatory for things when using a keyboard is a lot faster *for some things* if you are more used to the keyboard. |
| 18:53.53 | kergoth | i hate mouse moving :( wish th ekeys werent fucked up |
| 18:54.44 | Tain | I don't care about the botters anyway. They provide a service that helps the game going strong. |
| 18:54.57 | Tierrie|Work | tell you what pisses me off, tanks that use keyboard to turn |
| 18:55.04 | zenzelezz | haha |
| 18:55.05 | Tierrie|Work | when the mob goes through them they take forever to turn around |
| 18:55.11 | Tierrie|Work | and you can see it too |
| 18:55.16 | Tierrie|Work | because they are like <_< |
| 18:55.17 | zenzelezz | yeah |
| 18:55.18 | Tain | You can't use the keyboard to turn in WoW because of how intentially crippled turning with a keyboard is. |
| 18:55.31 | Tierrie|Work | and then the worst part is they get all prissy at how you pulled aggro |
| 18:55.48 | Tierrie|Work | and I'm like "bitch that's random secondary targetting" |
| 18:56.07 | Tain | I wonder if you could adjust your keyboard's auto-repeat to make up for it.. |
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| 18:56.13 | Tierrie|Work | then we get into a huge fight resulting in me killing his cat and setting fire to his house |
| 18:56.28 | sysrage | leave the pussy out of it :\ |
| 18:56.45 | Tierrie|Work | your pussy is on fire, its like herpes |
| 18:56.53 | Tain | Firecrotch! |
| 18:57.08 | zenzelezz | now there's a char name |
| 18:57.45 | MentalPower | Anyone know Java Regex? |
| 18:57.48 | Industrial | [Greater Magic Wang] |
| 18:57.51 | Industrial | tee hee. |
| 18:58.03 | zenzelezz | [Your Mom Is The Immovable Object] |
| 18:58.07 | Industrial | xD |
| 18:59.03 | Tain | I'm pretty sure someone in my guild (well probably multiple people, who knows) is paying a levelling service. And since we were giving him a hard time I was curious to see how much he was paying. |
| 18:59.17 | Shadowd | hmmm, nobody happens to have the code kaso was using to loop through all of the anonymous frames do they? |
| 18:59.34 | Tain | Well known three letter company name is charging $500 to go from 60-70. |
| 18:59.37 | Kaso | why yes i do |
| 19:00.17 | Shadowd | why hello there :p |
| 19:00.28 | Shadowd | you mind pasteying it? |
| 19:00.58 | sancus | that's pretty expensive, given it only takes about 100 hours to go from 60-70! |
| 19:01.17 | Tain | Its insanity. |
| 19:01.21 | kergoth | i need to get off my ass and actually play |
| 19:01.21 | Tierrie|Work | its not that bad sancus |
| 19:01.24 | kergoth | i've been 63 for days |
| 19:01.26 | Tierrie|Work | I took 5 days to powerlevel to 70 |
| 19:01.31 | Kaso | Shadowd do you want all anon frames? or just chat bubbles/nameplates |
| 19:01.37 | Tierrie|Work | and 500 for 5 days is not bad |
| 19:01.46 | Antiarc|Work | That's $5/hour |
| 19:01.49 | Kaso | the form needs enumerate the latter just uses WorldFrame:GetChildren() |
| 19:01.53 | Shadowd | Kaso: Just name plates actually, was going to play around with the sunder counter idea |
| 19:01.54 | Tierrie|Work | also 500 for 100 hours is like 5/hr which is about minimum wage |
| 19:01.56 | Antiarc|Work | But still |
| 19:01.58 | Bouvi | I was about to say I get paid way more than that in a 5 day week. |
| 19:01.59 | Shadowd | alright thanks |
| 19:02.03 | Antiarc|Work | Why would you do that? The fun is in...playing the game. |
| 19:02.17 | Tierrie|Work | not everyone derives fun from playing the game |
| 19:02.29 | Tierrie|Work | some people derive fun from being first, or raiding or having the phattest lewt |
| 19:02.29 | Kaso | http://pastey.net/5869 |
| 19:02.31 | Tierrie|Work | or making mods |
| 19:02.38 | Tierrie|Work | or sticking their penis in the dvd-rom |
| 19:02.41 | Tierrie|Work | uhm |
| 19:02.47 | Tierrie|Work | not that i know anyone in the last category |
| 19:02.49 | Tierrie|Work | or anything |
| 19:02.51 | Tierrie|Work | certainly not me |
| 19:02.55 | Tierrie|Work | or anything |
| 19:02.57 | Shadowd | Kaso: thanks |
| 19:03.12 | Kaso | hmm, wait a second there |
| 19:03.38 | Kaso | that searches for anon frames with fontstrings |
| 19:03.41 | Tain | How'd that hair get in my cup holder? |
| 19:03.49 | Kaso | that loop was what i used to find the SpeechBubbles |
| 19:03.59 | Kaso | you'd be better search for thing with StatusBars |
| 19:04.06 | sancus | 5/hr is expensive relative to the normal farmer compensation based on price |
| 19:05.08 | Tierrie|Work | you can't have normal jackasses powerleveling |
| 19:05.15 | qw` | What mod is it that comes with MapNotes and coords on the normal worldmap? |
| 19:05.16 | Tierrie|Work | the knowledge of an average farmer is pretty low |
| 19:05.29 | Antiarc|Work | qw`: Cartographer does that |
| 19:05.42 | sysrage | mapnotes does that. you mean cosmos? |
| 19:06.04 | qw` | I'm not sure, I just noticed I missed them right now and I think it came with one of the mods I had before, titan maybe? |
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| 19:06.39 | Kaso | Shadowd: that code was for speech bubbles. use http://pastey.net/5870 instead, that'll get you nameplates |
| 19:06.50 | Shadowd | Perfect, thanks |
| 19:07.17 | Tierrie|Work | hahahahaa |
| 19:07.27 | Tierrie|Work | they are removing imp's spellcoefficient bonus |
| 19:07.29 | Tierrie|Work | nerf locks! |
| 19:07.41 | Shadowd | ? |
| 19:07.46 | Tierrie|Work | oh they are fixing it later ;( |
| 19:07.48 | Tierrie|Work | http://blue.cardplace.com/newcache/en/122452460.htm |
| 19:07.52 | sysrage | it comes back next client patch. it's just higher than it should be now |
| 19:08.10 | Tierrie|Work | you know what needs to be nerfed? that infinite mana bug |
| 19:08.13 | Tierrie|Work | I had it happen twice last night |
| 19:08.25 | Tierrie|Work | so I just went around with mana shield, wards and frost barrier all the tiem |
| 19:08.33 | Tierrie|Work | and shot crap up |
| 19:08.37 | sysrage | how does that work? |
| 19:08.41 | Tierrie|Work | beats me |
| 19:08.43 | Tierrie|Work | it just happens |
| 19:08.49 | sysrage | not for me :( |
| 19:08.56 | Tierrie|Work | well it only happened twice for me last night |
| 19:09.05 | Shadowd | probably like the bug that existed a while ago where you'd get netherwind proc or natures swiftness stuck on you |
| 19:09.08 | Tierrie|Work | my friend told me it happened to him last week while he was leveling |
| 19:09.13 | Tierrie|Work | then he did something stupid like drink and it went away |
| 19:09.25 | Tierrie|Work | mine lasted until a) i died |
| 19:09.29 | Tierrie|Work | and b) i buffed ai |
| 19:09.45 | Kaso | |
| 19:09.45 | Kaso | Gello |
| 19:09.48 | Tierrie|Work | cool while it lasted but I don;t want to get banned so i just let it go :( |
| 19:10.07 | sysrage | neverending mana shield would be uber |
| 19:10.29 | Kaso | i meant to say: Also, Shadowd, i should mention that though that code is mine, Gello had the orginal idea about nameplates, just though he deserves some credit :> |
| 19:11.53 | Shadowd | Oh good, cause i was going to credit you not him :p |
| 19:12.04 | Shadowd | noted! |
| 19:16.49 | kergoth | has anyone taken on updating wowbench to wow 2.0 / lua 5.1? |
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| 19:25.47 | Shadowd | Hrm, can we not access the names that are above the name plates? |
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| 19:30.07 | Kaso | we can |
| 19:30.39 | Shadowd | do you need to do something differently? all I see from WorldFrame:GetChildren() is statusbar |
| 19:31.04 | Shadowd | or do fontstrings not have GetFrameType |
| 19:31.13 | Kaso | ok, that code of mine finds the actual status bar, if you do {StatusBar:GetParent():GetRegions()} |
| 19:31.27 | Kaso | i beleive it would be the 5, or 6 region in that table if my memory serves me right |
| 19:31.36 | Kaso | hang on lemme check my code |
| 19:32.19 | Kaso | third region in the table |
| 19:32.51 | Kaso | this is the code i have |
| 19:32.54 | Kaso | local regs = {val2:GetParent():GetRegions()} |
| 19:32.54 | Kaso | if regs[3] and regs[3].GetText then |
| 19:32.54 | Kaso | names[regs[3]:GetText()]=val2:GetParent() |
| 19:32.54 | Kaso | end |
| 19:33.55 | Kaso | so the names would be a table indexed by the players name, containing referances to the nameplate of that player |
| 19:34.46 | Kaso | But bare in mind, name-plates can be re-used, so for example, bill has X, bill goes off screen and Sam comes on screen, sam could now be X |
| 19:34.52 | Shadowd | hrm odd |
| 19:36.24 | Tierrie|Work | not really, damn game doesn't have DestroyFrames |
| 19:36.38 | Shadowd | no, odd because it doesn't work :p |
| 19:36.59 | Shadowd | http://pastey.net/5872 should be the smae thing as kaso has |
| 19:37.47 | Kaso | well, assuming you create the tables names={} somewhere |
| 19:37.56 | Shadowd | er yeah, thats up in the code |
| 19:40.09 | Kaso | doesnt work hey? |
| 19:40.10 | Kaso | hmm |
| 19:40.10 | Shadowd | kaso it got changed to 5 |
| 19:40.16 | Kaso | ah |
| 19:40.18 | Kaso | oooh |
| 19:40.30 | Shadowd | 6 has the level of the name plate, 5 has the name |
| 19:40.31 | Kaso | ofc, i guess the casting bar would have added some more regions |
| 19:40.38 | Shadowd | ah true |
| 19:40.42 | Kaso | i havent used that code since before then |
| 19:41.19 | Kaso | I'd prob be more efficent nowadays to use select(5, |
| 19:41.26 | Kaso | instead of putting it itnot a table |
| 19:42.34 | Shadowd | Couldn't you put WorldFrame:GetChildren() into the main loop instead of putting it into a table first anyway? |
| 19:42.40 | Shadowd | Doesn't look like you use the key value at all |
| 19:43.50 | Shadowd | like http://pastey.net/5873 |
| 19:44.01 | Kaso | yah you could |
| 19:44.10 | Kaso | yeh, thats prob better |
| 19:45.33 | Tem | IT'S RED RIGHT NOW Esamynn! |
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| 19:45.56 | Esamynn | ~lart Tem |
| 19:46.17 | Tem | purl's no fun |
| 19:46.23 | Shadowd | who would want to help Tem |
| 19:46.27 | Shadowd | he's scary |
| 19:46.32 | Esamynn | haha |
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| 19:46.49 | Tem | I r not scary |
| 19:47.07 | Esamynn | you're right, scary is the wrong word....... 8) |
| 19:47.13 | Tem | bleetah, guifications |
| 19:47.20 | Tem | bleetah, like, the gaim thing? |
| 19:47.24 | Shadowd | Crazy? |
| 19:47.29 | bleetah | hmmm |
| 19:47.36 | Tem | your mask |
| 19:47.42 | bleetah | mmmm |
| 19:47.47 | Tem | guifications/developer |
| 19:47.54 | bleetah | mmm |
| 19:48.05 | Tem | there is a gaim module named "guifications" |
| 19:48.40 | Tem | is that what you are referring to? |
| 19:48.40 | bleetah | mmm |
| 19:48.41 | bleetah | mmmhmm hhmm |
| 19:48.58 | bleetah | aye, 'tis |
| 19:49.14 | Tem | neat |
| 19:53.01 | Tem | oh man |
| 19:53.07 | Tem | today's QC is good |
| 19:53.16 | Tem | like, I bust out laughing good |
| 19:53.40 | Shadowd | well thats not so bad, though it would be harder to get a frame to go over the health bar |
| 19:53.42 | Tem | s/I bust out laughing/I-bust-out-laughing/ |
| 19:55.15 | Shadowd | trying to figure out how to keep track of sunders on same-name mobs should be fun |
| 19:56.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | i was gonna say |
| 19:56.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | doesn't the combat log say "Chimpy gains Sunder(5)" |
| 19:56.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | but if there's more than 1 chimpy that doesn't help |
| 19:57.28 | Shadowd | Well, this'll mostly be for 5 mans in which case you only have one warrior sundering 99% of the time |
| 19:57.46 | Tem | well no |
| 19:57.58 | Shadowd | ? |
| 19:58.05 | Tem | the issue is that the combat log doesn't say anything when you refresh it and it's already stacked to 5 |
| 19:58.38 | Kaso | couldnt you catch the sunder spellcast event then assume the warrior's target has been refreshed? |
| 19:58.45 | Shadowd | oh that, does CastSpell or UseAction still get called by Blizzard when you cast something from a secure template? |
| 19:58.50 | Tem | you only get that event if you are the warrior |
| 19:58.56 | Shadowd | right |
| 19:59.10 | Kaso | You do? hmm didnt know that |
| 19:59.14 | Shadowd | yeah |
| 19:59.17 | Tem | it's an instant cast |
| 19:59.33 | Shadowd | first goal is to make it work with one Warrior, i can deal with making it work with multiple after |
| 19:59.33 | Tem | you only get spellcast events for channeled and spell-with-a-cast-time spells |
| 19:59.46 | Kaso | i see i see |
| 20:00.11 | Shadowd | For 10/25 mans I could also watch for KLTHM events :p |
| 20:00.15 | Tem | Shadowd, yes, you could use secure hooks on UseAction and CastSpell, ect |
| 20:00.22 | Shadowd | alright |
| 20:00.25 | Tem | however, the spellcast events are a much better place |
| 20:00.40 | Shadowd | i'll look into those |
| 20:06.50 | Shadowd | Alright well i'm off. Thanks for the suggestions Tem |
| 20:06.59 | Shadowd | and the code Kaso! |
| 20:06.59 | Tem | np |
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| 20:22.59 | Kirkburn | For all you UK people :) "HMV have announced online preorders for the PS3 are go. However, you can’t preorder a PS3 on its own. No, you have to buy both a PS3 and 4gb PSP for only £674.99. Bargain!" |
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| 20:24.00 | Kirkburn | Or to put it another way: $1,327.18 USD |
| 20:25.11 | Tierrie|Work | I read PS3 and my eyes glazed over |
| 20:25.14 | Tierrie|Work | Oh hey Kirk |
| 20:25.19 | Tierrie|Work | I have a bone to pick with you |
| 20:25.22 | Tierrie|Work | Are you ready for a fight? |
| 20:25.40 | Kirkburn | :( |
| 20:25.49 | Tierrie|Work | .( |
| 20:26.01 | Tierrie|Work | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:26.12 | Kirkburn | Aiieeee! |
| 20:26.17 | Tierrie|Work | hahaa |
| 20:26.30 | Tierrie|Work | ok so, hey, how come all the reputation pages on wowwiki is like, sorted differently |
| 20:26.41 | Tierrie|Work | some are like sorted by rarity, others are sorted by reputation levels |
| 20:26.45 | Tierrie|Work | my head spun! |
| 20:26.47 | Tierrie|Work | SPUN I TELL YA |
| 20:27.01 | Tierrie|Work | its almost like they were written by two headed ogres |
| 20:29.22 | Tierrie|Work | :) |
| 20:31.30 | Kirkburn | um |
| 20:31.34 | Kirkburn | I dunno? |
| 20:31.54 | Tierrie|Work | back to just ( for you |
| 20:32.08 | Corrodias | different authors |
| 20:32.13 | Corrodias | one disorganized author |
| 20:32.15 | Corrodias | who can say |
| 20:32.36 | Tierrie|Work | ok what I am trying to say here is maybe get Kirk to do all the cleaning up |
| 20:32.45 | Tierrie|Work | hence, most optimal work solution is not having to do any of my own |
| 20:32.45 | Kirkburn | Ya whatever |
| 20:32.51 | Tierrie|Work | ::) |
| 20:35.18 | Corrodias | Tierrie|Work: i also had a mana bug, which appeared to my untrained eye to be a never-ending Innervate despite the lack of a buff. it ended on its own (i didn't try drinking or anything) after about 5 minutes. at that point, however, drinking did nothing, even after i relogged. eventually normal drinking function returned, another few minutes later |
| 20:36.15 | Tierrie|Work | from my point of view it appeared to have the same regen as drinking |
| 20:36.25 | Tierrie|Work | as if i was perma drinking |
| 20:36.29 | Tierrie|Work | but it could be innervate to |
| 20:36.42 | Tierrie|Work | it was a funny bug nice ot have |
| 20:36.59 | Corrodias | i only say that because it happened after i used innervate on myself. i don't know that i could tell the difference between the speeds of the two. |
| 20:37.20 | Corrodias | sadly, the best way i could think of to make use of it was to moonfire spam a couple of air elementals |
| 20:37.32 | Tierrie|Work | hahaa |
| 20:37.41 | Tierrie|Work | that should be a good idea no? |
| 20:37.52 | Tierrie|Work | i tried aoe but it didn't work for me as i nearly died |
| 20:37.58 | Tierrie|Work | despite chain casting shields |
| 20:38.05 | Corrodias | well, it doesn't do any more damage than if i put on my dots and starfired/wrathed. i'm not generally limited by mana during a single fight. |
| 20:38.16 | Tierrie|Work | so i just stuck to grinding but with the shields up and using coc and other inefficent spells |
| 20:38.22 | Corrodias | i just can't be interrupted while moonfiring |
| 20:38.53 | Tierrie|Work | this is a pretty interesting bug |
| 20:44.01 | JoshBorke | it's the beta MazzleUI all over again! *runs crying* |
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| 20:46.09 | Corrodias | is that one of them compliations |
| 20:47.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | corr |
| 20:47.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | are you aware that you can cast max rank moonfire then spam 2nd to max rank and keep the dot from max rank going? |
| 20:48.09 | Corrodias | i like the title of this page. WoWWiki has a problem |
| 20:48.20 | Corrodias | no, i was not |
| 20:48.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | you just reminded me talking about infinite moonfire |
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| 21:17.48 | Forlorn1 | Anyone mind helping me with a macro that lists mages who can make the best food for you? Not sure if Im doing it right http://wowi.pastey.net/5876 |
| 21:21.09 | amro | Forlorn1: http://wowi.pastey.net/5879-37hq, fixed your syntax |
| 21:23.26 | Corrodias | wowhead's application has a tendency to just silently stop running |
| 21:25.46 | Forlorn1 | Thanks amro |
| 21:28.15 | Forlorn1 | How would I change it into a function? Its more than 255 chars so it wont fit into a macro |
| 21:29.02 | amro | wait i just noticed something |
| 21:29.21 | amro | you can't declare variables as 'int' etc, hold on a sec |
| 21:29.40 | Forlorn1 | Sure |
| 21:29.47 | Corrodias | use locals! |
| 21:30.22 | Corrodias | what's with the single-quotes around the strings in the last part? |
| 21:30.50 | Forlorn1 | Not sure, he added it |
| 21:31.02 | Forlorn1 | Lemme paste the info from wowwiki |
| 21:31.27 | Forlorn1 | SendWho - Documentation by EDG |
| 21:31.27 | Forlorn1 | Sends a Who request, much like using the slash command /who or entering a query in the entry field of the Who List. |
| 21:31.35 | Forlorn1 | oops |
| 21:31.35 | Forlorn1 | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_SendWho |
| 21:32.45 | amro | untested, http://wowi.pastey.net/5882 |
| 21:33.05 | amro | corrodias, i didn't even notice the int/float declarations at first >< |
| 21:33.29 | Forlorn1 | Thanks for the help, I've only taken a class in java |
| 21:33.39 | Corrodias | Lua is .. very different. |
| 21:33.58 | Kemayo | Compressing that a bit... http://wowi.pastey.net/5883-wd2a |
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| 21:37.03 | Kemayo | Lua's a great language. I'd far rather use it than Java for anything within its scope. |
| 21:37.06 | Forlorn1 | Do I just encase it in function [function name]() and end then run it with /script to get it to work? |
| 21:38.01 | Kemayo | You just want to hit a macro button and have that run, right? |
| 21:38.05 | Forlorn1 | Yeah |
| 21:38.09 | amro | you'd need to put it in an addon first |
| 21:38.14 | Forlorn1 | I got supermacro |
| 21:38.41 | amro | Kemayo: same here, lua is probably my favorite language |
| 21:38.52 | Forlorn1 | Got this error when I tried what I said Error: ')' expected near '.'String: function WhoMage()...Count: 2 |
| 21:39.21 | amro | which one did you try? |
| 21:39.28 | Kemayo | Oh, sorry, here: http://wowi.pastey.net/5884-rehw |
| 21:39.43 | Forlorn1 | Kemayo's combined how you turned it into a function |
| 21:39.50 | Kemayo | I didn't notice that the one I modified was using the string concatenation modifier incorrectly. |
| 21:40.47 | Forlorn1 | Still got an error |
| 21:40.47 | Forlorn1 | Error: 'end' expected (to close 'function' at line 1) near '<eof>'String: function WhoMage()...Count: 1 |
| 21:41.17 | Kemayo | So put an 'end' at the end. |
| 21:41.26 | amro | you didn't properly declare the function |
| 21:41.49 | amro | functions in lua are function name() ..code.. end |
| 21:42.07 | Kemayo | Here: http://wowi.pastey.net/5885 |
| 21:42.16 | Kemayo | Sorry, I meant... http://wowi.pastey.net/5885-4chy |
| 21:42.25 | Forlorn1 | lol nice function name |
| 21:43.03 | Forlorn1 | how did you change it though? I just added WhoMage() to the begining and end to the end |
| 21:44.20 | Forlorn1 | Still getting the same error, pasting it into the "extended LUA code" box on supermacro |
| 21:44.33 | Forlorn1 | Should I reload? |
| 21:45.35 | Kemayo | Ahh, it's probably trimming off the end. I guess. I've never used supermacro. |
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| 21:45.48 | tingle | hey guys |
| 21:45.55 | Forlorn1 | Hiya |
| 21:46.24 | tingle | gota question ;) |
| 21:46.59 | Forlorn1 | Nah, everything fits, it has 2 boxes, 1 for the macro and oen for extended code, macro can have 255 chars, extended 7k, space shouldnt be an issue |
| 21:47.33 | amro | can you pastebin the exact code that's in that second textbox? |
| 21:47.58 | Forlorn1 | 1 sec |
| 21:48.24 | Kemayo | Ahh, there we go. |
| 21:48.30 | Forlorn1 | http://wowi.pastey.net/5886 |
| 21:48.37 | Kemayo | On line 9 we have "else if" instead of "elseif". |
| 21:48.46 | Forlorn1 | ah |
| 21:48.48 | Kemayo | Get rid of that space, and it should work. |
| 21:49.06 | Forlorn1 | ok |
| 21:49.24 | tingle | is there an other way to get text into a frame (visual with border) exept useing a fontstring? (i want a text that stays inside the border.. |
| 21:49.50 | Forlorn1 | It opens a /who box but with no parameters |
| 21:50.09 | Forlorn1 | Well, its using the zone one but not level or class |
| 21:50.56 | MentalPower | tingle you can rezise the fontstring to your heart's desire |
| 21:50.56 | Kemayo | If you want to be sneaky, this should work in a standard-sized macro: http://wowi.pastey.net/5888-le4q |
| 21:51.01 | Kemayo | Wee bit less readable, mind. |
| 21:51.08 | MentalPower | it should wrap properly if you set size explicitly |
| 21:51.37 | tingle | mental was that to me? |
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| 21:51.48 | MentalPower | aye |
| 21:51.56 | Forlorn1 | Ah made a mistake, food is for levels ending in 5, I did multipules of 5 |
| 21:52.03 | tingle | how do i do that |
| 21:52.44 | Kemayo | Oh, right if you want just mages you'd need: http://wowi.pastey.net/5889-2faq |
| 21:53.00 | Forlorn1 | Yeah I gotta make it so its multiples of 5 and not 2 |
| 21:53.19 | tingle | what typ of attribute do i have to add to the fonstring to get it to word wrap? |
| 21:53.28 | Forlorn1 | brb |
| 21:53.33 | MentalPower | tingle: either use <Size> tags in the XML, or :Height()/:Width() calls in Lua |
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| 21:55.04 | abug | is format() the way to round something off to an integer? |
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| 21:55.35 | tingle | ok hold up ill pasty what i have and you tell me where i have to add what please |
| 21:56.09 | tingle | http://www.pastey.net/5890 |
| 22:00.51 | tingle | as you can see i have a size... ;<AbsDimension x="300" y="150"/> |
| 22:01.31 | tingle | how do i get the text to stay in there because if i dont shoot the fonstring text with "|n" on to the next line it goes ove the border,, |
| 22:01.33 | Forlorn1 | Kemayo, could you add this if statement to the loop in the compact version? Not sure how to compress it. "if bit.mod(plvl,2) = 0 |
| 22:01.33 | Forlorn1 | plvl = plvl -1 |
| 22:01.52 | Forlorn1 | That way itll get rid of multiples of 2 and 5 |
| 22:03.12 | tingle | kaso... foxlit... you guys have helped me before how can i do that... |
| 22:03.22 | Cide | tingle: ... |
| 22:03.30 | Cide | stop demanding help, especially from specific people |
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| 22:03.51 | Cide | if you have a question, ask the channel unless it is in some way very specific to a single person |
| 22:03.56 | Cide | if nobody answers, tough luck |
| 22:04.11 | Cide | then you wait and ask again 30 minutes later |
| 22:04.29 | tingle | well mentalpower said: tingle: either use <Size> tags in the XML, or :Height()/:Width() calls in Lua |
| 22:04.36 | Cide | unless you have fixed it yourself (although I doubt you actually tried) |
| 22:04.46 | tingle | i use a size tag in my frame |
| 22:05.12 | Cide | if it goes over the border, make the frame larger or reposition the font? |
| 22:05.52 | Kemayo | Forlorn1: I think this should do it: http://wowi.pastey.net/5891-32hl (Unless I misunderstood where you intended it to be inserted, mind.) |
| 22:06.40 | tingle | well the text is always as long as 100 characters...and i need to use |n to go down into the next line.. |
| 22:07.24 | tingle | or longer than 100 |
| 22:08.10 | Forlorn1 | Kemayo: getting this error Error: 'then' expected near '='String: local m,c,p=0,1,UnitLevel("player");while c>0 do if bit.mod(p,2...Count: 1 |
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| 22:08.58 | Forlorn1 | The if statement should come after the c=bit.mod(p,5) part, not sure how the punctuation etc is supposed to look like |
| 22:10.30 | Forlorn1 | crap, I think itll skip 2 by accident if I add that line |
| 22:11.02 | Forlorn1 | when it gets to say 26, non multiple of 5, multiple of 2, goes to 24 |
| 22:11.43 | Forlorn1 | lemme see if I can just add another condition to the loop |
| 22:11.47 | Kemayo | http://wowi.pastey.net/5892-1lel |
| 22:13.02 | Tierrie|Work | guess what guys! |
| 22:13.05 | Forlorn1 | && means and in LUA right? |
| 22:13.09 | Tierrie|Work | i bought Hot Rod during lunch |
| 22:13.39 | Kaso | Forlorn1 in lua and means and |
| 22:14.20 | tingle | kaso |
| 22:14.27 | Kaso | mhmm |
| 22:14.30 | tingle | could you tell me something real quick |
| 22:14.30 | Forlorn1 | lolk |
| 22:14.47 | tingle | like you know i use fontstring for text in frames. |
| 22:15.02 | Kaso | yes |
| 22:15.07 | tingle | how do i get a text to word wrap down to the next line without useing |n |
| 22:15.32 | Kaso | you dont? you either put another fontstring below, or you use newline |
| 22:15.49 | tingle | that doesnt work? |
| 22:16.19 | tingle | is there any other way to get a text inside a frame to make textxs that go over the border to go to the next line? |
| 22:16.21 | Forlorn1 | Kemayo, how does this look? |
| 22:16.21 | Forlorn1 | http://wowi.pastey.net/5893-3l3u |
| 22:17.58 | Forlorn1 | Wow it works! |
| 22:18.12 | Kaso | tingle: i think you mean you want to make the text wrap, try FontString:SetNonSpaceWrap(true) |
| 22:18.56 | tingle | you mean do this: |
| 22:19.41 | tingle | <FontString name="$parentDetail" inherits="GameFontNormal" justifyH="LE... FontString:SetNonSpaceWrap(true)> |
| 22:20.17 | Kaso | nono, sec |
| 22:20.26 | tingle | or in the lua at th e top |
| 22:20.37 | Kaso | thats a lua function |
| 22:20.53 | Kaso | but there will be an XML equilant, i dont know it off the top of my head |
| 22:21.08 | tingle | k ill use it in the lua, where do i have toput it? |
| 22:22.12 | Kaso | in your xml, inside the fontstring tag do nonspacewrap="true" |
| 22:22.18 | Forlorn1 | Damn I think theres something wrong in the if statements, gonna look at it |
| 22:22.37 | tingle | k sec ill give it a try |
| 22:24.01 | Forlorn1 | Whats a function to get something to print to screen? |
| 22:24.13 | Kaso | ChatFrame1:AddMessage("something") |
| 22:24.19 | amro | you can do DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage() |
| 22:24.34 | Forlorn1 | Thanks. |
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| 22:25.28 | tingle | ok that didnt work |
| 22:25.56 | tingle | like this?: <FontString name="$parentDetail" inherits="GameFontNormal" justifyH="LEFT" nonspacewrap="true" text="Cr..."> |
| 22:26.01 | Tierrie|Work | is there a print in the general namespace? |
| 22:26.29 | Kaso | in default lua yes, but its disabled inside wow |
| 22:26.33 | Tierrie|Work | otherwise someone should really just map print to DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage() |
| 22:27.12 | Kaso | Should work tingle, perhaps try the lua comamnd somewhere in your lua |
| 22:27.24 | tingle | just add it anywhere in the lua? |
| 22:27.24 | Kaso | otherwise you may be asking for something else and i misunderstood |
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| 22:29.28 | Kaso | onload is a good place to put it |
| 22:30.08 | tingle | ok |
| 22:31.15 | Tierrie|Work | oh i wanna dance with somebody |
| 22:31.21 | Tierrie|Work | i wanna feel the heat with somebody |
| 22:33.38 | abug | ~moan |
| 22:33.40 | purl | ohhhhhhhh, ahhhhhh, oh yes, tpa, again, ohh....... |
| 22:33.50 | tingle | i put it in the onload and get this error:Error: attempt to index global 'TAPLG_MainFrame_Frame:OnLoad']:2: in function <[string"TAPLG_MainFrame_Frame:OnLOad"]:1> |
| 22:34.27 | tingle | this is the function onload: http://www.pastey.net/5894 |
| 22:34.51 | Tierrie|Work | OnLoad mayhave been mispelt |
| 22:35.30 | Kaso | tingle: also you need to replace FontString with the name of your fontstring |
| 22:35.46 | tingle | oh |
| 22:35.48 | tingle | sec |
| 22:36.08 | Kaso | your fontstring's name is *not* $parentDetail however |
| 22:36.34 | tingle | so like this: $parentDetail:SetNonSpaceWrap(true) |
| 22:36.39 | Kaso | no |
| 22:36.59 | Kaso | replace $parent with the name of that frames parent |
| 22:37.05 | tingle | TALPG_MainFrame2_FRAMEDetail? |
| 22:37.07 | amro | $parent only works in XML |
| 22:38.01 | tingle | mmm sec let me find the name of the fontstring |
| 22:38.02 | Tierrie|Work | I believe it would be "TALPG_MainFrame_FrameDetail" |
| 22:38.38 | Tierrie|Work | But I am sort of joining this conversation halfway so I might be wrong |
| 22:38.47 | Kaso | sounds about right |
| 22:39.02 | tingle | mmm cant find it but you wrote it here the lua: http://www.pastey.net/5895 |
| 22:39.07 | tingle | whats the fonstring name |
| 22:39.21 | Tierrie|Work | <Tierrie|Work> I believe it would be "TALPG_MainFrame_FrameDetail" |
| 22:39.36 | tingle | is it TALPG_MainFrame2_FRAMEDetail? |
| 22:39.46 | Tierrie|Work | ok, i've said it twice |
| 22:39.52 | tingle | i know |
| 22:39.55 | Kaso | tingle |
| 22:39.58 | Kaso | look in that lua |
| 22:40.01 | Kaso | where it says :SetText |
| 22:40.10 | Kaso | before it it says the fontstrings names |
| 22:40.12 | tingle | TALPG_MainFrame2_FRAMEDetail:SetText |
| 22:40.18 | tingle | TALPG_MainFrame2_FRAMEDetail |
| 22:40.19 | tingle | that |
| 22:40.33 | Kaso | why dont you try it out and see |
| 22:40.39 | tingle | k sec |
| 22:41.32 | Forlorn1 | Anyone mind helping me a sec? Cant get this loop to work, should only spit out numbers that are multiples of 5 and not 2 |
| 22:41.46 | Tierrie|Work | pastey it |
| 22:41.55 | Forlorn1 | yeah tried to just paste, wouldnt fit |
| 22:41.56 | Tierrie|Work | and I will stop playing with my transformer long enough to help you |
| 22:42.02 | Forlorn1 | http://wowi.pastey.net/5896-1ttj |
| 22:42.22 | Forlorn1 | small version while bit.mod(c,5)>0 and bit.mod(c,2)==0 do c=c-1 end |
| 22:42.44 | tingle | i use TALPG_MainFrame2_FRAMEDetail:SetNonSpaceWrap(true);, the erro that i get is: .... atemmpt to index gloabal 'TABLP_MainFrame2_FRAMEDetail'(a nil value) |
| 22:43.04 | tingle | TAPLG... ** |
| 22:43.48 | Tierrie|Work | ok Forlorn1: what do you want it to do? just spit out numbers that are multiples of 5? |
| 22:44.09 | Kaso | i believe that is because the onload you used tingle is the onload of the first frame, not the second frame |
| 22:44.18 | Forlorn1 | yeah, multiples of 5 but not multiples of 2 |
| 22:44.23 | Forlorn1 | so like 15, 25, 35 |
| 22:44.30 | tingle | oh ok sec |
| 22:44.54 | Kaso | you release your print is outside the loop forlorn |
| 22:45.13 | Kaso | wait, you've got a while loop |
| 22:45.23 | Kaso | that'll break the first non matching value it hits |
| 22:45.35 | Forlorn1 | what should I use? |
| 22:45.55 | Kaso | i assume you want to go from unit's level to 0 |
| 22:46.04 | Kaso | printing all in between |
| 22:46.29 | Kaso | for i=UnitLevel("player"),1,-1 do would be what you want# |
| 22:46.47 | Forlorn1 | well, it supposed to stop once it gets to the level closest to the plvl thats a multiple of 5 and not 2, going down |
| 22:46.54 | Kaso | ah |
| 22:46.58 | Kaso | well then do this |
| 22:47.12 | tingle | ok i get no error but it doesnt work.. |
| 22:47.42 | Tierrie|Work | Forlorn1: so, what you;d like to do is given the level of the player, print out the next level that ends with a 5? |
| 22:48.13 | Forlorn1 | yeah |
| 22:48.21 | Forlorn1 | going down |
| 22:48.41 | Tierrie|Work | all the levels or just the next one |
| 22:48.45 | Tierrie|Work | so i were level 43 |
| 22:48.46 | Forlorn1 | just the closest one |
| 22:48.48 | Tierrie|Work | it should print 35? |
| 22:48.51 | Forlorn1 | yep |
| 22:49.17 | tingle | sec ill desribe exatly what im looking for, example: in the fonstring text.. i have long texts over 100 character, they go over the border, to get the text to go into the next line, i need to add |n into the text. how can i get it to go into the next line automaticly |
| 22:52.37 | Kaso | Forlorn1: http://wowi.pastey.net/5897 that should do it, but i feel tierrie might have some smart way of doing it |
| 22:54.20 | Forlorn1 | Works well, thanks, gotta add the rest now |
| 22:54.24 | tingle | SetNonSpaceWrap i dont know but it sounds like... set a text to not wrap inside the border |
| 22:54.44 | Kaso | tingle |
| 22:54.50 | tingle | ? |
| 22:54.58 | Kaso | i think you need to set the width of your fontstring correctly |
| 22:55.02 | Kaso | then the wrapping will work |
| 22:55.35 | tingle | ok, well i did what you said |
| 22:55.40 | tingle | it doesnt wrap |
| 22:55.59 | tingle | sec ill show you the lua and xml |
| 22:56.02 | Forlorn1 | Kaso: is it possible to have it not end in an if..then, theres gonna be a series after them |
| 22:56.25 | Tierrie|Work | Forlorn1: local modulo,remainder = math.modf(UnitLevel("player"),5); if modulo%2 ~= 0 then print modulo*5 else print (modulo-1)*5 end |
| 22:56.30 | Tierrie|Work | i think |
| 22:56.45 | Tierrie|Work | wait there's probably a more elegant solution |
| 22:57.05 | Forlorn1 | if you look at some of the earlier pasties you can see what Im trying to do |
| 22:57.16 | tingle | http://www.pastey.net/5898 <- LUA http://www.pastey.net/5899 <- XML |
| 22:57.23 | Forlorn1 | got a series of if..thens to find what mage can make food for my level |
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| 22:58.30 | Tierrie|Work | only false and nil evaluates to false right? 0 evaluates to true? |
| 22:58.54 | Kaso | yes |
| 22:59.18 | tingle | do i need to add something or did i do anything wrong |
| 22:59.21 | Tierrie|Work | Forlorn1: local m = UnitLevel("player")%5; if m%2==1 then print (m-1)*5 else print m*5 end woot! |
| 22:59.49 | Tierrie|Work | ok repeat your goal again Forlorn1? I lost track of what you were trying to do |
| 22:59.54 | Forlorn1 | % is mod right? |
| 23:00.38 | Cide | yes |
| 23:00.38 | Forlorn1 | Its supposed to get the player level, going down find the closest multiple of 5 that isnt a multiple of 2 |
| 23:00.38 | Tierrie|Work | well that should do it then |
| 23:00.50 | Tierrie|Work | i'm sure there's a better solution still brb |
| 23:00.56 | Forlorn1 | Ok |
| 23:01.15 | Tierrie|Work | maybe not |
| 23:01.47 | Forlorn1 | can I use just % in LUA or do I have to use bit.mod? |
| 23:02.15 | Tierrie|Work | mod is part of math |
| 23:02.20 | Tierrie|Work | you can use % |
| 23:02.36 | MentalPower | tingle: you need to set the width |
| 23:02.43 | MentalPower | you're not setting the width anywhere |
| 23:03.16 | tingle | uh k sec |
| 23:03.18 | Tierrie|Work | local m=UnitLevel("player")%5; print (m-m%2)*5; |
| 23:03.22 | Tierrie|Work | even shorter! |
| 23:03.40 | Tierrie|Work | m=UnitLevel("player")%5;print(m-m%2)*5 |
| 23:03.43 | Tierrie|Work | shorter still! |
| 23:03.54 | Forlorn1 | lol thanks, gonna try to put it together |
| 23:03.55 | tingle | with obj:SetWidth(width);? |
| 23:04.12 | MentalPower | aye |
| 23:04.20 | MentalPower | or use the <Size> XML tag |
| 23:04.23 | foxlit | Question about secureheaders and state propagation: |
| 23:04.37 | foxlit | At the moment, I have a frame containing secure frames, and two headers to go with it. |
| 23:04.39 | Tierrie|Work | oh snap that won't work Forlorn1 :( |
| 23:05.27 | tingle | TALPG_MainFrame2_FRAMEDetail:SetWidth(x="300" y="150") would that be write? |
| 23:05.28 | foxlit | Secureheader -> Container frame -> SecureChildHeader -> SecureFrames (where -> denotes parent of) |
| 23:05.52 | Tierrie|Work | local m=UnitLevel("player")%5;print(m-math.fmod(m,2))*5 <-- this might |
| 23:07.20 | Antiarc|Work | m = math.floor(UnitLevel("player") / 5); if m % 2 == 0 then m = m - 5 end |
| 23:07.30 | Antiarc|Work | Note that it'll return -5 if the player level is less than 5. :D |
| 23:07.34 | MentalPower | tingle: no |
| 23:07.44 | MentalPower | :SetWidth(300) |
| 23:08.01 | Forlorn1 | sigh I may have to work on this later, doin an instance now, thanks for all the help everyone |
| 23:08.33 | foxlit | The parent secureheader controls whether the whole thing is visible, and the securechildheader controls the visibility and position of individual elements |
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| 23:09.10 | Tierrie|Work | Antiarc|Work: will that work? lets say UnitLevel = 36, m=7 then 7%2==0 is false so m ends up as 7 |
| 23:09.14 | foxlit | Problem is, if the number of secureframes I want to show decreases, I want to resize the container frame, which isn't attached to the same header as the child frames. |
| 23:09.16 | Tierrie|Work | did you mean %? |
| 23:09.43 | Antiarc|Work | Doh, math.floor(UnitLevel("player") / 5) * 5 |
| 23:10.26 | foxlit | round down to the nearest five? |
| 23:10.59 | Forlorn1 | yeah but its gotta not be a multiple of 2 though |
| 23:11.04 | Tierrie|Work | round down to the nearest number that ends with a 5 |
| 23:11.10 | Tierrie|Work | 5,15,25, no 10, 20 30's |
| 23:11.17 | Forlorn1 | neat idea though |
| 23:11.35 | Tierrie|Work | this is a fun question |
| 23:11.36 | foxlit | "round down to the nearest number" down, or nearest? |
| 23:11.40 | Tierrie|Work | down |
| 23:11.50 | Tierrie|Work | 44 should give you 35 |
| 23:11.53 | Antiarc|Work | m = UnitLevel("player"); m = m - ((m+5) % 10) |
| 23:12.03 | Antiarc|Work | I think that should do it. |
| 23:12.34 | tingle | i added <SetWidth x="300" y="150"/> to the size, should that work? |
| 23:12.52 | Antiarc|Work | It does indeed. |
| 23:13.24 | foxlit | no |
| 23:13.26 | Tierrie|Work | what if UL is 36? m = 36 - (41%10); m = 32 |
| 23:13.28 | foxlit | (tingle, that is) |
| 23:13.37 | Antiarc|Work | 41 % 10 = 1 |
| 23:13.41 | Antiarc|Work | 36 - 1 = 35 |
| 23:13.45 | tingle | i still dont get it to work... now word wrap |
| 23:14.02 | Tierrie|Work | hmmm does % give you the modulo or the remainder? |
| 23:14.40 | foxlit | pst, same thing, as far as programming is concerned. |
| 23:14.51 | Tierrie|Work | i think it gives you the remainder so you're right Ant |
| 23:15.01 | Tierrie|Work | nice and elegant |
| 23:15.10 | Antiarc|Work | "In computing, the modulo operation finds the remainder of division of one number by another. " |
| 23:15.16 | Antiarc|Work | courtesy of Wikipedia ;) |
| 23:15.19 | Tierrie|Work | haha kk |
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| 23:15.25 | Tierrie|Work | very nice solution, better than mine |
| 23:15.31 | Tierrie|Work | you didn't even have to use fmod or floor |
| 23:15.53 | foxlit | That is fmod right there. |
| 23:15.56 | Tierrie|Work | though that modulo is an implicit use of floor to an odd number |
| 23:16.34 | Tierrie|Work | i meant modf... to get the modulo |
| 23:16.50 | Tierrie|Work | pity Forlorn1 left, your solution is very nice |
| 23:16.59 | Forlorn1 | nah Im still here |
| 23:17.10 | Tierrie|Work | oh well use Antiarc's |
| 23:17.11 | Forlorn1 | alt tabbing around |
| 23:17.22 | Forlorn1 | Will do, thanks for your time |
| 23:17.46 | Tierrie|Work | what is the precedence level of %? before or after +? |
| 23:18.18 | Tierrie|Work | haha + is higher precedence than % |
| 23:18.49 | Tierrie|Work | so you could even go to m=m-(m+5%10) |
| 23:19.14 | foxlit | You lose readability, big time. |
| 23:19.33 | Tierrie|Work | thats why you write a paragraph of supporting comments with it |
| 23:19.44 | Tierrie|Work | its just for fun anyway, I was a perl golfer once |
| 23:20.01 | Tierrie|Work | you ever tried perl golfing? |
| 23:20.18 | foxlit | Nope. |
| 23:20.46 | Tierrie|Work | its a game where you're given a task like "calulate this or that" or "find the x ball in these 3 boxes given these", in the least amount of characters possible |
| 23:21.07 | Tierrie|Work | the solutions are very unreadable but its fun to teach creative thinking |
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| 23:22.56 | tingle | where do i add this stuff: myAddonOptionsParent = myAddonOptions:GetParent(); |
| 23:22.56 | tingle | myAddonOptions:SetWidth(myAddonOptionsParent:GetWidth() / 2); |
| 23:23.57 | foxlit | Couldn't the optimal solutions be found via a clever perl script anyway? |
| 23:24.07 | Antiarc|Work | Heh |
| 23:24.29 | Antiarc|Work | "Write the smallest perl script that finds the shortest solution to this problem" |
| 23:24.36 | Antiarc|Work | It's like some bastard hellspawn quine. |
| 23:24.48 | foxlit | Run it on itself, duh :) |
| 23:25.00 | Tierrie|Work | foxlit: nah, perl golfing is not about the most optimal solution, its about the least amount of code i nthe solution |
| 23:25.13 | Tierrie|Work | foxlit: most of the time the solution is not the most optimal |
| 23:25.21 | foxlit | Yes, and you can consider the solution with the least amount of code as optimal |
| 23:25.55 | Tierrie|Work | sometimes less code still results in more instructions |
| 23:26.12 | foxlit | Yeah, but your task is not about that. |
| 23:26.13 | tingle | where do i add that stuff |
| 23:26.23 | tingle | in the xml or lua and where in there? |
| 23:26.53 | Tierrie|Work | foxlit: what task? |
| 23:27.22 | foxlit | Finding code that would do xyz in the least amount of characters possible |
| 23:28.06 | Tierrie|Work | that's right, perl golfing is not about optimization, its a game that encourages thinking of creative solutions |
| 23:28.47 | tingle | ??? |
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| 23:29.13 | Jebster | Hey all' |
| 23:30.32 | foxlit | Thing is, find a mathematically correct solution, then use a script to formulate it in the smallest number of characters. |
| 23:31.14 | tingle | foxlit |
| 23:31.17 | tingle | where do i add myAddonOptionsParent = myAddonOptions:GetParent(); |
| 23:31.17 | tingle | myAddonOptions:SetWidth(myAddonOptionsParent:GetWidth() / 2); |
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| 23:35.06 | foxlit | Dunno, question doesn't make sense without context, code doesn't make sense, and this width halving is really odd. |
| 23:35.43 | Jebster | So... i was wondering if you guys know how i can register on this website?? |
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| 23:36.29 | tingle | then how do i set the width of a frame |
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| 23:37.39 | Jebster | Cos this site is so cool and i want to be part of it and that... |
| 23:39.14 | Tierrie|Work | what website |
| 23:39.29 | Tierrie|Work | because "this" for me happens to be porn |
| 23:40.00 | Kirkburn | Yay for disconnecting during a flight - can't log in, but I did get to see a brief view of three hippogriffs sitting down in midair, and a snow covered blades edge mountains |
| 23:40.25 | Kemayo | Given our location, one might think "this" would be wowinterface.com. |
| 23:41.50 | Jebster | Umm.... im on the Gatherer website... |
| 23:42.43 | Kemayo | Well, then your choice of channel to inquire about said website is eccentric. |
| 23:43.40 | Kemayo | For my part, I do not know. I'm sure there's a "register" link somewhere. Or you could ask in #norganna. |
| 23:44.37 | tingle | how do i set a width of a frame/fontstring text... |
| 23:48.13 | MentalPower | tingle: FontString:SetWidth(someNumber() |
| 23:48.24 | MentalPower | s/()/)/ |
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| 23:49.36 | jaxdahl | wow 3.0, huh? |
| 23:51.43 | MentalPower | I smell troll, but I'll bite |
| 23:51.49 | MentalPower | huh? |
| 23:52.04 | tingle | what number? and where do i put that? into the onload function? |
| 23:52.08 | jaxdahl | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=63167579&pageNo=4&sid=1#68 |
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| 23:57.35 | MentalPower | Don't read too much into it |
| 23:58.22 | MentalPower | slouken's just saying that the likelyhood of contributions being accepted for the ChatFrame rewrite wold have to wait for the next major revision to the code. |
