irclog2html for #wowi-lounge on 20070130

`00:01.18`	`Shadowed`	`How odd`
`00:01.24`	`Shadowed`	`can't join a battlefield in combat, wonder why`
`00:01.42`	`foxlit`	`Summon requirements, but they're new`
`00:02.02`	`Shadowed`	`?`
`00:02.04`	`Shadowed`	`what do you mean`
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`00:09.51`	`Nom-`	`You can't be summoned while in combat`
`00:09.56`	`Nom-`	`You have to drop out of combat first`
`00:10.46`	`Nom-`	`brb making breakfast`
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`00:12.55`	`Shadowed`	`Yeah it was always like that, but you could always join a battlefield in combat`
`00:15.57`	`Shadowed`	`or at least I could swear they had always made it so you couldn't summon in combat`
`00:16.26`	`foxlit`	`It was changed relatively early in the game.`
`00:17.12`	`Shadowed`	`hrm well thats a pain, have to find a way to work around that`
`00:18.36`	`foxlit`	`Hm, I'm looking for a button that, in about 18x18 pixels says "click here to configure me"`
`00:18.53`	`Cairenn`	`a checkmark`
`00:19.42`	`Tem`	`a gear`
`00:19.47`	`Tem`	`or a wrench`
`00:19.54`	`Cairenn`	`those would work as well`
`00:20.05`	`Cairenn`	`gear probably easier to render, that small`
`00:20.07`	`Tem`	`and iirc, there's a wow icon for a gear`
`00:20.09`	`foxlit`	`Anything builtin, or do I have to get creative? :)`
`00:20.18`	`Cairenn`	`there is`
`00:20.28`	`Cairenn`	`both checkmark and gear`
`00:20.35`	`foxlit`	`As buttons?`
`00:20.39`	`Cairenn`	`yup`
`00:21.11`	`Nom-`	`mmm yummy oats`
`00:21.38`	`Cairenn`	`other options could be the exclamation mark (think quests) or the dialog icon`
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`00:23.08`	`foxlit`	`Using Buttons\UI-Panel-MinimizeButton-Up as close atm. Point me at the gear texture? :)`
`00:23.42`	`Cairenn`	`sec, looking`
`00:26.58`	`Cairenn`	`icons\inv_misc_gear_01 - _08`
`00:27.34`	`Cairenn`	`not sure what size they are, but those are the ones I've seen`
`00:28.07`	`foxlit`	`Mm, different visual style.`
`00:28.22`	`foxlit`	`But yeah, at least there are images of gears :)`
`00:29.01`	`Cairenn`	`so look in the icons\ for one to use for "close" instead`
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`00:29.28`	`foxlit`	`Icons\ are basically spell icons`
`00:29.39`	`Cairenn`	`umm, no`
`00:29.53`	`Tain`	`I am an Icon.`
`00:30.17`	`Cairenn`	`they are every frigging icon in the game ... inventory slot items, etc, etc, etc`
`00:30.49`	`foxlit`	`Items, spell, buffs.`
`00:30.58`	`cladhaire`	`If you're here, and you're horde.. you REALLY need to do the quests in Nagrand`
`00:31.06`	`cladhaire`	`the final series brings Thrall to outlands =)`
`00:31.13`	`foxlit`	`Point being, they all share the quickslot-esque border`
`00:31.26`	`Cairenn`	`easy enough to chop that off ;)`
`00:32.04`	`foxlit`	`Far from yellow-on-red :P`
`00:32.12`	`Tain`	`No chopping things off!`
`00:32.24`	`kaso`	`cladhaire awesome cloth helm reward from the quest ^^`
`00:32.35`	`cladhaire`	`awesome all rewards`
`00:32.37`	`cladhaire`	`including the buff =)`
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`00:33.13`	`kaso`	`when i did it thrall was already there :< whats the buff?`
`00:33.25`	`cladhaire`	`+300 hp, +15% haste, and 10 mana regen/5`
`00:33.57`	`kaso`	`ah, the rend buff again`
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`00:34.29`	`cladhaire`	`hyep`
`00:34.44`	`cladhaire`	`"Hellscream's Warsong"`
`00:41.57`	`TC_Working`	`ahhh...the best adaptation of "my favorite things" i have ever seen http://www.interrobangstudios.com/comics-display.php?strip_id=145`
`00:45.55`	`Sstixrud`	`Can anyone tell me why this 6 line true/false toggle only sets true :)? http://wowi.pastey.net/5687`
`00:53.29`	`cladhaire`	`...`
`00:53.37`	`cladhaire`	`Sstixrud: Why are you using getglobal there.`
`00:53.39`	`cladhaire`	`you already haev this,`
`00:53.49`	`cladhaire`	`which shoudl actually be a local param to your function, not the global`
`00:53.53`	`cladhaire`	`this[key]`
`00:54.01`	`cladhaire`	`not _G[frame][key]`
`00:54.02`	`cladhaire`	`for one =)`
`00:54.06`	`cladhaire`	`that simplies the code quite a bit :P`
`00:54.08`	`foxlit`	`" not (_G[frame][key] or false) "`
`00:54.14`	`foxlit`	`(x or false) == x`
`00:54.19`	`cladhaire`	`or false doesn't work`
`00:54.24`	`cladhaire`	`what he said :P`
`00:54.43`	`Tain`	`true`
`00:54.48`	`cladhaire`	`FALSE`
`00:54.48`	`foxlit`	`Should still invert, though.`
`00:55.01`	`Tain`	`invert(false)`
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`00:57.53`	`cladhaire`	`Tain: I inverted your face!`
`00:57.53`	`cladhaire`	`take that!`
`00:58.15`	`Tain`	`I can see my insides!`
`00:58.21`	`Sstixrud`	`I can't do this right?: UBCFG.DYNBTNSPELLS:this[key] = this:[key]`
`00:59.48`	`Tem`	`: is only for calling`
`01:00.20`	`Sstixrud`	`k so back to frame =`
`01:00.28`	`Tem`	`no`
`01:02.17`	`Tem`	`http://wowi.pastey.net/5688`
`01:02.25`	`Tain`	`Oh snap I forgot there was a new Heroes on tonight!`
`01:03.14`	`Sstixrud`	`sigh but that makes too much sense :P`
`01:03.28`	`kergoth`	`Tain: damn, i forgot too... i better go home soon`
`01:03.32`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`01:07.54`	`Sstixrud`	`Tem thank you`
`01:09.56`	`Adys`	`http://www.pastey.net/5689 - Any idea why the button EvilTwinFrameUpdateButton rotates the model in the main frame to the right in addition of refreshing it? It was originally a rotate button aswell`
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`01:20.24`	`foxlit`	`Hm, interesting.`
`01:20.36`	`foxlit`	`A frame's framelevel semi-randomly increments, without calling SetFramelevel`
`01:21.45`	`Garoun`	`find it a little odd an undead rogue ran straight at a rich thorium node in winterspring from teh entrance to the winterfall village`
`01:21.58`	`Garoun`	`back by where the chieftan is`
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`01:37.47`	`zenzelezz`	`hm... why is the portal three or four times bigger in Outland than in Blasted Lands?`
`01:38.52`	`Tain`	`Shrinkage.`
`01:39.22`	`zenzelezz`	`in Outland it's impressive.... in Blasted Lands it's just like a normal, dull portal :-\|`
`01:41.19`	`Kirov`	`zenzelezz - Didn't you ever watch Dr Who?`
`01:41.34`	`zenzelezz`	`don't know if they've ever shown that over here`
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`01:42.48`	`Tain`	`heh I don't think that Outland is quite a tardis. :)`
`01:43.10`	`Kirov`	`You're right, Outland is much too small`
`01:43.38`	`Kirov`	`Not to mention the portal looks nothing like a phone booth`
`01:43.44`	`Tain`	`Although one of the funniest geek debates I ever read was people arguing over what would happen if you took a Bag of Holding inside a Tardis.`
`01:44.26`	`Kirov`	`You'd have a bag of holding inside a tardis ....`
`01:44.35`	`Kirov`	`(ie: nothing in particular)`
`01:45.13`	`Tain`	`Yeah, there was a lot of debate over it though, mainly around the fact that Bags of HOlding don't play well with other dimensional thingies sometimes.`
`01:45.53`	`Tain`	`But the explanations and justifications were fantastic!`
`01:51.48`	`WobWork`	`I can't see why you couldn't have a portal to a pocket dimension inside a pocket dimension =P`
`01:52.09`	`WobWork`	`Since the TARDIS is a just a wrapping for a portal to a pocket dimension`
`01:52.19`	`WobWork`	`and all it's doing is relocating the portal =)`
`01:54.24`	`Tain`	`Yeah its really just centered around the fact that you can't put a Bag of Holding inside a Bag of Holding.`
`01:54.31`	`Tain`	`So people tried to translate that across.`
`01:54.51`	`Tain`	`Now maybe something bad would happen if you put the TARDIS inside a Bag of Holding. I don't know@`
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`01:56.18`	`Karrion`	`I seem to remember fun things happen if you put a TARDIS inside another TARDIS...`
`01:57.25`	`WobWork`	`Well the bag of holding had a limited size opening didn't it?`
`01:57.37`	`WobWork`	`otherwise if you dropped it face down on the ground... aiee =P`
`01:57.42`	`Tain`	`Nah you can have a TARDIS inside a TARDIS, happened a couple of times.`
`01:57.48`	`WobWork`	`now`
`01:57.53`	`WobWork`	`The TARDIS inside the same TARDIS`
`01:57.57`	`WobWork`	`that would be cool`
`01:58.10`	`foxlit`	`What if it was the same one?`
`01:58.13`	`foxlit`	`within itself?`
`01:58.16`	`foxlit`	`infinitely?`
`01:58.17`	`Tain`	`:/`
`01:58.23`	`WobWork`	`...that's what I said= P`
`01:58.34`	`foxlit`	`3am, my ba`
`01:58.35`	`foxlit`	`d`
`01:58.38`	`WobWork`	`=)`
`01:59.00`	`WobWork`	`honestly I can't see why not =)`
`01:59.17`	`WobWork`	`it's not actually the pocket dimension that's being moved around`
`01:59.25`	`WobWork`	`it's an opening to the dimension that is`
`01:59.28`	`kaso`	`Tain sure? i thought the doctor managed to concinve that other timelord to materialse his tardis inside in an effort to destroy it?`
`02:00.13`	`kaso`	`Ah`
`02:00.23`	`kaso`	`While a TARDIS can materialise inside another, if both TARDISes occupy exactly the same space, a Time Ram will occur, resulting in total annihilation`
`02:00.38`	`Tain`	`BAM!`
`02:00.41`	`Tain`	`That's kicking it up a notch.`
`02:00.51`	`kaso`	`haha`
`02:02.36`	`Swado`	`Kaso, you did a mod that made your chat appear in your sct right?`
`02:02.59`	`kaso`	`yes`
`02:03.05`	`Swado`	`could you pm me?..`
`02:03.12`	`WobWork`	`time RAM`
`02:03.16`	`WobWork`	`baaah`
`02:05.53`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge ckknight (n=ckknight@198.199.136.119)`
`02:12.32`	`WobWork`	`hey. I recall someone was talking about a software based KVM that worked across oses?`
`02:15.32`	`Nom-`	`hmmm`
`02:15.39`	`Nom-`	`WobWork = iiWob`
`02:15.46`	`Nom-`	`?`
`02:16.31`	`WobWork`	`iiWob?`
`02:16.42`	`WobWork`	`I've never worked at iinet, if that's the question? =P`
`02:17.11`	`Tain`	`IIseesee`
`02:17.21`	`Nom-`	`It was, never mind then :P`
`02:17.47`	`WobWork`	`I know people who have, if that's any consolation =)`
`02:18.06`	`Nom-`	`It's just there's a guy who works here who goes by the online name of Wob`
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`02:19.41`	`WobWork`	`Ah, mine's short for Wobin`
`02:19.50`	`cladhaire`	`Anyone else just get their text message from Heroes?`
`02:19.50`	`cladhaire`	`=)`
`02:20.06`	`WobWork`	`and if I use my gmail of Wobatwork, everyone thinks it's somehow wombat related`
`02:21.06`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge ckknight (n=ckknight@198.199.136.119)`
`02:22.08`	`Tain`	`I can be your Hero baby.`
`02:23.47`	`cladhaire`	`okay`
`02:23.49`	`cladhaire`	`someone help me out here.`
`02:23.58`	`cladhaire`	`http://primatechpaper.com`
`02:24.01`	`cladhaire`	`go to the about us page`
`02:24.10`	`cladhaire`	`click on the wavy part of the logo`
`02:24.16`	`cladhaire`	`login: bennet`
`02:24.18`	`cladhaire`	`password: claire`
`02:24.38`	`cladhaire`	`I can view teh first, but the rest authenticate.`
`02:24.57`	`cladhaire`	`only clues I have are "Get 2 kno me: HGghx11a. Mre 2 come"`
`02:25.09`	`cladhaire`	`I assume the odd text is the password, but unclear on the login,e tc.`
`02:25.13`	`cladhaire`	`i'm trying to figure it out tho =)`
`02:25.14`	`Thunder_Child`	`i got in`
`02:25.21`	`Tain`	`onoes my IP address has been noted!`
`02:25.44`	`cladhaire`	`hrm.. i'm having issues viewing all the files`
`02:25.57`	`Thunder_Child`	`yea, now i see what you mean`
`02:26.23`	`cladhaire`	`oh no wait`
`02:26.26`	`cladhaire`	`OOH`
`02:26.41`	`cladhaire`	`I can get into the first one with bennet, password HGghx11a.`
`02:26.43`	`cladhaire`	`Hana Gitelman`
`02:26.43`	`cladhaire`	`hrm`
`02:26.48`	`Corrodias`	`my taskbar is up.`
`02:27.09`	`Corrodias`	`but i don't know why`
`02:27.10`	`ckknight`	`the wavy part of the logo does nothing for me.`
`02:27.25`	`cladhaire`	`ckknight: you have to be on about us`
`02:27.33`	`cladhaire`	`GGe81zU`
`02:27.43`	`ckknight`	`cool`
`02:28.32`	`cladhaire`	`trying to find the password to the second profile`
`02:28.39`	`cladhaire`	`using the highlighted characters in hana's profile.`
`02:28.52`	`cladhaire`	`and to think, I can't even watch heroes as its on, only when my bf gets home.. heh`
`02:29.15`	`Tain`	`ooooh`
`02:29.32`	`Tain`	`Opening credits spoiler! (And the only one hhonest!) "with George Takei"`
`02:29.39`	`cladhaire`	`hahah`
`02:29.42`	`cladhaire`	`Hiro's father`
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`02:31.38`	`cladhaire`	`cmon help me get the second profile =)`
`02:31.39`	`cladhaire`	`lol`
`02:31.49`	`cladhaire`	`we must defeat the viral advertising.`
`02:32.25`	`ckknight`	`lol.`
`02:32.33`	`ckknight`	`maybe it's Uz18eGG`
`02:33.08`	`Tem`	`cladhaire, there's some highlighted letters in the first one's profile`
`02:33.10`	`Tem`	`try those`
`02:33.17`	`cladhaire`	`I did`
`02:33.24`	`ckknight`	`Tem: he did :-P`
`02:33.24`	`Tem`	`also, damn you for showing me this`
`02:33.24`	`cladhaire`	`and the reverse thanks to ckknight`
`02:33.25`	`cladhaire`	`nothing yet =)`
`02:33.39`	`cladhaire`	`lol be glad you didn't sign up`
`02:33.44`	`cladhaire`	`I "applied for the job" at primatech`
`02:33.49`	`cladhaire`	`so i got the text message, like 10 min ago`
`02:33.49`	`Mike-N-Go`	`What are you trying to accomplish?`
`02:33.56`	`ckknight`	`hrm, cladhaire, I believe you may not be able to access it till next week`
`02:34.08`	`cladhaire`	`ckknight: Thats my guess as well`
`02:34.25`	`Tem`	`cladhaire, I'm about to start watching Heroes at work`
`02:34.25`	`ckknight`	`cladhaire: notice how the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th pictures are the same`
`02:34.36`	`ckknight`	`but the first is an obvious sillhouette of a female`
`02:34.41`	`cladhaire`	`aye`
`02:35.01`	`Tem`	`cladhaire, and as I understand it, I'm not supposed to know what their abilities are until later`
`02:35.29`	`ckknight`	`Tem: yea, you should wait :-P`
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`02:35.40`	`ckknight`	`wonder how long it'll take Heroes to reach bittorrent...`
`02:35.41`	`Tem`	`I know NOTHING about the show except that it's come highly recommended from a lot of people who's opinions I trust`
`02:35.41`	`cladhaire`	`Hana hasn't been introduced yet`
`02:35.52`	`cladhaire`	`Tem: NetFlix the recap DVD`
`02:35.53`	`ckknight`	`Tem: I like it too :-P`
`02:36.06`	`cladhaire`	`and yes.. tivo the sci-fi marathons that happen occasionally`
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`02:36.13`	`cladhaire`	`its justa good amount of fantasy, and geekery`
`02:36.13`	`cladhaire`	`=)`
`02:36.32`	`Tem`	`I heard that NBC had it on their site`
`02:36.43`	`Tem`	`so I was just gonna watch the everything I've missed`
`02:36.49`	`Tem`	`3-4 episodes a night`
`02:37.18`	`Tem`	`I just can't start tonight because I lack headphones`
`02:37.38`	`Tain`	`It started slow, but it is a good series.`
`02:37.56`	`seebs`	`Hey, ckknight, you still around?`
`02:38.02`	`Tem`	`cladhaire, I don't have Tivo or NetFlix`
`02:38.03`	`ckknight`	`yes`
`02:38.10`	`cladhaire`	`Tem: Time Warner DVR? =)`
`02:38.10`	`cladhaire`	`lol`
`02:38.18`	`seebs`	`I am mystified by erratic graphical behavior in Cartographer. Sometimes it looks chunky, like a low-quality jpeg. Sometimes not.`
`02:38.20`	`cladhaire`	`if not.. good old bittorrent`
`02:38.22`	`Tem`	`I don't even own a VCR`
`02:38.29`	`ckknight`	`seebs: what does?`
`02:38.31`	`seebs`	`It doesn't QUITE seem to correlate strongly with explored/unexplored, but I haven't figured it out.`
`02:38.37`	`seebs`	`The world map in Cartographer.`
`02:38.41`	`ckknight`	`hrm`
`02:38.46`	`ckknight`	`haven't experienced that.`
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`02:39.01`	`seebs`	`It may only be visible scaled up, and it may even be caused by scaling.`
`02:40.18`	`Tain`	`What? No Netflix or PVR? What are you a caveman!?`
`02:40.25`	`cladhaire`	`indeed`
`02:40.37`	`cladhaire`	`GO BACK TO YOUR CAVE, CAVEY McCaveCave`
`02:40.42`	`Tain`	`I'm a really really bad consumer whore.`
`02:40.51`	`Tain`	`I ordered a Series 3 Tivo. :/`
`02:40.56`	`cladhaire`	`lol`
`02:41.18`	`Tem`	`how does tivo store the stuff you "tivo"?`
`02:41.39`	`cladhaire`	`on its hard drive`
`02:41.43`	`Tem`	`(on the hdd, duh)`
`02:41.44`	`ckknight`	`hard disk`
`02:41.47`	`cladhaire`	`if you have an old replaytv, you can even copy everything off =)`
`02:41.54`	`cladhaire`	`then replaytv stopped responding to their 1800 number`
`02:41.56`	`Tem`	`what format is what I was asking`
`02:41.56`	`cladhaire`	`and died`
`02:42.00`	`ckknight`	`lol`
`02:42.04`	`Tain`	`Well you can do it with Tivo too.`
`02:42.16`	`cladhaire`	`yeah but it was uber easy with replayTV`
`02:42.23`	`cladhaire`	`you hear that?`
`02:42.25`	`cladhaire`	`UBER easy`
`02:42.28`	`Tain`	`I have a ReplayTV.`
`02:42.29`	`cladhaire`	`thats super-german really easy!`
`02:42.34`	`Tem`	`wow, clad`
`02:42.40`	`cladhaire`	`Tem: WHAT?`
`02:42.40`	`Tem`	`can you be less useful?`
`02:42.45`	`Tem`	`cus like, wow`
`02:42.49`	`cladhaire`	`~wow`
`02:42.59`	`purl`	`hmm... wow is the best game ever!`
`02:43.03`	`Tem`	`what format does tivo use?`
`02:43.09`	`cladhaire`	`its okay.. i kinda want to stab _myself_ in the face for that one.`
`02:43.18`	`Tain`	`It is a slightly custom mpeg format.`
`02:43.26`	`Tem`	`is it some crappity crap crap that I can't use anywhere else?`
`02:43.27`	`Tain`	`Really just custom headers, I think.`
`02:43.37`	`Tain`	`You can extract it easily.`
`02:43.47`	`Tem`	`good`
`02:44.06`	`Tain`	`Not as easily as ReplayTV. Which was click a button easy.`
`02:44.17`	`Tain`	`But they're gone now, for all intents and purposes.`
`02:44.21`	`Tain`	`Let us not speak of the dead.`
`02:44.43`	`Tem`	`stupid tivo`
`02:44.47`	`Tem`	`killing cool companies`
`02:45.03`	`Tain`	`OF course you can telnet and ftp into a Tivo.`
`02:45.08`	`Tain`	`So that's kinda cool on its own.`
`02:45.31`	`cladhaire`	`what factions sell Flying Epic Mounts?`
`02:45.38`	`cladhaire`	`any of the "off" factions?`
`02:45.47`	`Tain`	`Flying Poop Monsters.`
`02:45.57`	`ScytheBlade1`	`There's a mental image I could do without`
`02:45.58`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Thanks`
`02:46.01`	`Tain`	`INCOMING!`
`02:46.12`	`cladhaire`	`ScytheBlade1: Never seen Jay and SIlent Bob's? =)`
`02:46.14`	`kaso`	`Wildhammer and i forget the horde`
`02:46.21`	`ScytheBlade1`	`cladhaire, nope`
`02:46.21`	`kaso`	`you cant get a faction discount iirc`
`02:46.34`	`cladhaire`	`kaso: I'm looking for a cool one, not a cheaper one =)`
`02:46.54`	`kaso`	`Theyre both sold by the same people`
`02:47.00`	`kaso`	`the 300% and the 60%`
`02:47.03`	`Tain`	`I want to ride a flying Blood Elf.`
`02:47.08`	`kaso`	`haha`
`02:47.08`	`ScytheBlade1`	`280%`
`02:47.15`	`kaso`	`pssh, i round`
`02:47.35`	`ScytheBlade1`	`That's some pretty cool rounding`
`02:47.44`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Now stay away, freak`
`02:47.45`	`ScytheBlade1`	`:)`
`02:50.46`	`Tem`	`I still haven't installed TBC`
`02:51.02`	`Tem`	`well, that's not exactly true`
`02:51.06`	`Tem`	`I did install it once`
`02:51.16`	`Tem`	`but I formated the next day`
`02:51.26`	`Tem`	`and didn't play longer than 45 minutes or so`
`02:51.27`	`ScytheBlade1`	`lol`
`02:51.51`	`Tem`	`I just sorta idled in game while I played with Vista features`
`02:52.21`	`Tem`	`if you set it to windowed mode, and you do the SUPER + Tab window switcher thing, it still renders wow`
`02:52.33`	`Tem`	`which looks hella cool`
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`03:02.06`	`cladhaire`	`heh`
`03:02.09`	`cladhaire`	`i dont mind spoilers`
`03:02.13`	`cladhaire`	`but i'm walking away now =)`
`03:02.16`	`Tain`	`Spoiled!`
`03:02.18`	`Tain`	`Like rotten meat!`
`03:02.21`	`cladhaire`	`zomg`
`03:02.22`	`cladhaire`	`i need food`
`03:02.28`	`cladhaire`	`hopefully not spoiled food.`
`03:03.57`	`Tain`	`Have gummi bears`
`03:07.55`	`Cairenn`	`tuna-salad sandwich`
`03:08.07`	`Tain`	`You can tune a piano but you can't tuna fish`
`03:10.33`	`Cairenn`	`you know how tuna fish got their names, right?`
`03:11.11`	`Tain`	`Nope!`
`03:12.01`	`Cairenn`	`you ever see a real one? not the stuff in the cans?`
`03:12.42`	`Nom-`	`omg drool`
`03:12.43`	`Nom-`	`wtb [Khorium Champion]`
`03:12.57`	`zenzelezz`	`link plix`
`03:13.00`	`Tain`	`Yeah one of my relatives in Virginia goes tuna fishing, has one mounted on her wall.`
`03:13.30`	`Nom-`	`http://www.thottbot.com/?i=Khorium%20Champion`
`03:13.35`	`Shadowed`	`So Cairenn, how DID they get their names :p`
`03:13.38`	`Nom-`	`It's smithed!`
`03:13.49`	`Tain`	`I'll smith you. Right in the eye!`
`03:13.52`	`Nom-`	`+50 str, and a proc to add +120 str`
`03:14.02`	`Nom-`	`Talk about UBER`
`03:14.07`	`Tain`	`With great power comes great responsibility.`
`03:14.40`	`Cairenn`	`I'm betting that someone caught one way back when, turned to his buddy and said "wow, that's a ton 'a fish!" but of course, they were both so drunk, his buddy misheard him. When they got back to shore, everyone was asking what the hell it was and his buddy said "it's a tuna fish"`
`03:14.58`	`Shadowed`	`haha`
`03:15.09`	`Cairenn`	`the damn things are huge`
`03:15.14`	`Tain`	`They are.`
`03:15.27`	`Cairenn`	`(and no, I've no idea, but it's an amusing thought)`
`03:15.31`	`Nom-`	`Yes, Tain ... the responsibility to beat the living crap out of everyone in sight :D`
`03:15.43`	`Nom-`	`I find it scary that thing is blacksmithed AND BOE`
`03:16.52`	`Nom-`	`I wodner if that's the top end of damage then :/`
`03:16.55`	`Shadowed`	`Lot of crazy smithing BOE's`
`03:17.27`	`Tem`	`yay, right back to gear inflation where melee scales better than casters`
`03:17.32`	`Tem`	`sigh`
`03:17.42`	`Shadowed`	`You crit Tem for 3,000 Damage`
`03:17.44`	`Shadowed`	`You gain hand of justice`
`03:17.48`	`Shadowed`	`You crit Tem for 3,000 Damage`
`03:17.49`	`Shadowed`	`Tem dies`
`03:17.51`	`Shadowed`	`=D`
`03:18.03`	`Tem`	`I wonder if I have the willpower to stay away from wow long enough to become un-addicted`
`03:18.13`	`Tem`	`I could play supreme commander in a month`
`03:18.17`	`Nom-`	`That's scary...the only items in the thottbot database to beat that weapon are the BoE swordsmith/axesmith/etc items`
`03:18.23`	`Shadowed`	`I tried, I lasted about`
`03:18.26`	`Nom-`	`BoP i mean`
`03:18.26`	`Shadowed`	`a week`
`03:18.41`	`Nom-`	`and the gladiator`
`03:18.58`	`Shadowed`	`mostly because i was bored without any projects to program, which of course lead to having to play to test them`
`03:19.16`	`Nom-`	`http://www.thottbot.com/beta?i=14724 <-- top DPS weapon in Thottbot database (well 2h sword at least)`
`03:19.20`	`Tain`	`Playing WoW is enough to make me not addicted.`
`03:19.20`	`Tem`	`Shadowed, it's been nearly a month since I've played`
`03:19.31`	`Tem`	`I don't even have it installed atm`
`03:19.43`	`Shadowed`	`then why did you question if you had the willpower`
`03:19.53`	`Tem`	`I need to stay away another month`
`03:20.02`	`Shadowed`	`pickup another game, like EQ`
`03:20.11`	`zenzelezz`	`Tem: why?`
`03:20.17`	`Tem`	`so I can quit forever`
`03:20.20`	`zenzelezz`	`Tem: why?`
`03:20.23`	`Tain`	`Play Nethack`
`03:20.25`	`Tem`	`in a month supreme commander comes out`
`03:20.30`	`Shadowed`	`He wants to know why you quit`
`03:20.39`	`zenzelezz`	`I'm mocking`
`03:20.43`	`Shadowed`	`or that`
`03:20.46`	`Tem`	`I haven't actually quit`
`03:20.50`	`Tem`	`I just haven't played`
`03:20.58`	`Shadowed`	`all i did was quit my raiding guild, no more motivation to play now :p`
`03:21.03`	`Tain`	`I'm not thinking about Supreme Commander. That way it won't be a bitter disappointment if it sucks.`
`03:21.15`	`Shadowed`	`Spore`
`03:21.29`	`Tem`	`Tain, I already think it's going to suck`
`03:22.03`	`Tain`	`Spore is so far off it is just an abstract thought.`
`03:22.03`	`Tem`	`Tain, but it's the game I've been wanting since like 99 or so`
`03:22.03`	`Tain`	`I do too Tem, I would just really like it if it didn't.`
`03:22.03`	`Tem`	`when they started talking about TA2`
`03:22.03`	`Shadowed`	`Spore is what, late 07?`
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`03:24.01`	`Shadowed`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spore good ol wikipedia`
`03:24.31`	`Nom-`	`heh`
`03:24.34`	`Nom-`	`I don't think I could quit WoW`
`03:24.37`	`Nom-`	`It'd take a lot`
`03:24.51`	`Nom-`	`At this point, even my account being blown away wouldn't stop me for long :P`
`03:26.46`	`Tem`	`Tain, and really, even if SupComm sucks, one of the mods for it will be worth playing`
`03:26.58`	`Tain`	`I hope so`
`03:28.31`	`zenzelezz`	`the first ten mods will be CS clones anyhow`
`03:29.07`	`Shadowed`	`Nothing can replicate CS, it's impossible to copy the "CS Feel".`
`03:29.39`	`Shadowed`	`the CS feel being "LOLZ U DIE", "WTF CHEATER", "AWPS R 4 WHORES"`
`03:30.23`	`zenzelezz`	`CS was good`
`03:30.31`	`zenzelezz`	`then it got a big community and annoying changes`
`03:30.42`	`zenzelezz`	`I remember 1.4 on LANs, that was a blast`
`03:30.58`	`Nom-`	`CS has been shite since post-beta`
`03:31.04`	`zenzelezz`	`not 1.4, beta 4`
`03:31.11`	`zenzelezz`	`sleep typing`
`03:31.21`	`Nom-`	`yeah, it got shite about beta 6`
`03:31.26`	`Nom-`	`or somehwere about there`
`03:31.27`	`haste`	`BF1942 was good :)`
`03:31.36`	`Shadowed`	`CS was okay, I never liked how you couldn't move as soon as you got shot made it kind of boring.`
`03:31.38`	`zenzelezz`	`1942 is a classic =)`
`03:31.40`	`Shadowed`	`TFC never gets old`
`03:31.55`	`haste`	`Pixel shooting was a little bit annoying tho'`
`03:33.41`	`zenzelezz`	`I always ended up playing a medic or engineer; in both those games`
`03:34.00`	`Shadowed`	`engineers are fun when you can setup sentries outside of the enemy spawn`
`03:35.24`	`zenzelezz`	`I had such a blast with engineers in BF1942... place mines completely obviously visible across the road, watch the enemy stop, look around for a bit, before jumping out to disarm the mines.... then blow up theexp pack you placed in the bush beside the road`
`03:36.03`	`zenzelezz`	`*the exp pack`
`03:36.26`	`zenzelezz`	`never managed to learn planes right though... I'd always try dive-bombing`
`03:36.40`	`zenzelezz`	`I usually hit my target... the problem was so did my plane, not just the bombs`
`04:15.00`	`Nom-`	`heh`
`04:15.06`	`Nom-`	`lern2flybetter`
`04:15.21`	`Nom-`	`I dive bomb in Battlefield 2 in the jets`
`04:15.32`	`Nom-`	`at full throttle`
`04:15.34`	`Nom-`	`:P`
`04:17.05`	`Tain`	`Bill Gates on The Daily Show is well worth watching. Funny, funny stuff.`
`04:18.29`	`Tain`	`Jon Stewart asked him if his screen saver was the "flying toasters"`
`04:18.50`	`Tain`	`And I may be reading too much into it but I think Gates' lack of any facial expression said something!`
`04:20.02`	`Nom-`	`cry I want flying toasters`
`04:27.09`	`Thunder_Child`	`no...no you dont`
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`04:59.47`	`Mike-N-Go`	`http://pastey.net/5696`
`04:59.58`	`Mike-N-Go`	`Ok, I ironed out my problems.`
`05:00.39`	`Mike-N-Go`	`Could you guys look at my addon and tell me if I did things in the right manner, or if something could be coded differently?`
`05:20.21`	`Nom-`	`Dude, that's a can of worms`
`05:20.28`	`Nom-`	`You can ALWAYS do something a different way`
`05:21.00`	`zenzelezz`	`I'm sure he meant "in a better way" =)`
`05:21.42`	`Nom-`	`Again, there's always a better way :)`
`05:21.46`	`Nom-`	`You need to answer two questions:`
`05:21.48`	`Nom-`	`1. Does it work.`
`05:22.08`	`Nom-`	`2. Does it do what it needs to do in a memory and CPU usage effective manner`
`05:22.17`	`zenzelezz`	`I'm not sure I agree that things could always be done better; but in many cases that's of course true`
`05:22.47`	`Nom-`	`There is always a slightly better way to do something...that applies to just about anything`
`05:22.58`	`Nom-`	`But then better is a subjective thing`
`05:23.05`	`Nom-`	`So shrug`
`05:23.06`	`zenzelezz`	`many of the "better" things come at some price`
`05:23.17`	`zenzelezz`	`which may or may not affect the specific case`
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`05:32.37`	`Nom-`	`bugger`
`05:32.47`	`Nom-`	`Gotta rewrite large chunks of code`
`05:32.48`	`Nom-`	`joy`
`05:33.23`	`zenzelezz`	`sounds fun`
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`05:36.08`	`Corrodias`	`if i prefer performance and the other guy perfers features, we can "improve" each other's code back and forth unto infinity`
`05:37.04`	`Corrodias`	`man, i hate being only half-awake when trying to play WoW. i start pressing the wrong keys and my eyes are closed so i can't see what's going on`
`05:37.34`	`Industrial`	`its a trap!`
`05:38.09`	`Thrae`	`Corrodias: That's the problem with healboting ;)`
`05:39.29`	`Thrae`	`Although today I wasn't able to keep a group doing Scholo without a tank together with my Level 58 Feral Druid. It took me half the instance to figure out how to keep everyone alive, then after the next few blunders not of mine, people started to leave`
`05:40.17`	`Thrae`	`It's hard to keep a caster group alive as the main healer when you're a Feral Druid. You need to read the caster's mind on when they'll decide to draw aggro...`
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`05:50.09`	`Corrodias`	`yeah...`
`05:50.20`	`Corrodias`	`full feral is really not designed for healing, or so i've heard`
`05:50.33`	`zenzelezz`	`no way :-o`
`05:51.20`	`Thrae`	`Well I have no trouble healing any other type of group`
`05:51.42`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i've never had a problem with healing being full feral`
`05:51.44`	`Thrae`	`A full caster group is tough because those squishies can go from full to 10% in a second`
`05:51.44`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`:shrug:`
`05:52.30`	`Thrae`	`Well if your group has a Level 61 Fire-spec Mage pulling aggro from -everything-, and your group consists of a Druid, Rogue, Warlock, and Hunter...`
`05:58.19`	`Industrial`	`so tank.. ?`
`05:58.42`	`Industrial`	`oh, no healer :<`
`05:59.03`	`sancus`	`that seems like a pretty poor choice of group composition`
`06:02.18`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`id get a priest or healbot druid in that scenario`
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`06:05.57`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`kick the mage that's pulling aggro and get someone that knows what they're doing`
`06:07.21`	`Industrial`	`does auctioneed remember item prices you set?`
`06:08.48`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`yep, if you use custom price`
`06:09.57`	`Industrial`	`k`
`06:11.40`	`Nom-`	`sigh`
`06:11.54`	`Nom-`	`Fun...I have to add another layer of logic into this system`
`06:11.58`	`Nom-`	`This is going to be fun`
`06:14.33`	`Industrial`	`what are you making`
`06:15.03`	`Nom-`	`This is a work project :)`
`06:15.14`	`Nom-`	`It's going to drive me nuts now...`
`06:15.26`	`Nom-`	`Basically, we're producting a report like this:`
`06:15.40`	`Nom-`	`Survey1, Q1, Q2, Q3, Q4, ...`
`06:15.44`	`Nom-`	`Survey2, Q1, Q2, Q3, Q4, ...`
`06:16.07`	`Nom-`	`Now we want to add in another layer beyond that so Survey1 and Survey2 are broken up another layer deep`
`06:16.45`	`Nom-`	`Within the contraints of the system I have, that's a pain in the gluteus maximus`
`06:23.36`	`Shadowed`	`Legacy system?`
`06:23.48`	`Shadowed`	`well, inherited system`
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`06:24.28`	`Corrodias`	`heirloom system`
`06:26.50`	`Nom-`	`Well, it was built fairly recently`
`06:27.01`	`Nom-`	`But we want to take it another level of complexity above what it was designed for`
`06:29.51`	`Corrodias`	`what the`
`06:30.00`	`Corrodias`	`0 bytes of free space on drive J:`
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`06:30.05`	`Corrodias`	`oops. i guess i just has me too much porn`
`06:30.31`	`MentalPower\|Food`	`0bytes?`
`06:30.38`	`MentalPower\|Food`	`how did you get to 0bytes?`
`06:30.48`	`Corrodias`	`well, windows is probably rounding down, but it said 0 bytes in "my computer"`
`06:31.03`	`Corrodias`	`i filled it while saving images. apparently i cut it pretty close.`
`06:31.29`	`MentalPower\|Food`	`wow, that take skill`
`06:31.35`	`MentalPower\|Food`	`s/take/takes/`
`06:34.36`	`Corrodias`	`i filled it while saving this image: http://orz.4chan.org/hr/src/1170070808011.jpg`
`06:37.24`	`Thrae`	`Corrodias: That's no coincidence you were able to save a file. The rest is taken up by virtual memory, which doesn't have a fixed size.`
`06:38.17`	`Corrodias`	`this is a different drive~`
`06:38.29`	`Thrae`	`Ah.`
`06:39.42`	`Corrodias`	`there seems to be a transformers porn thread in 4chan/r/`
`06:40.19`	`Thrae`	`"Come on baby. It's more then meets the eye."`
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`06:41.53`	`Corrodias`	`indeed.`
`06:41.57`	`Corrodias`	`so very horrible`
`06:42.28`	`Shadowed`	`Internet threads are the best`
`06:42.48`	`Shadowed`	`person A says something, person B says A is wrong and that they're an idiot, person C says that both A and B are idiots`
`06:45.03`	`Corrodias`	`the link i just pasted, by the way, is a high-res NOD (C&C) logo`
`06:46.16`	`Thunder_Child`	`made by you?`
`06:46.44`	`zenzelezz`	`I was about to ask if that was really the Nod thing =)`
`06:46.53`	`Corrodias`	`not by me`
`06:46.58`	`zenzelezz`	`Kane lives!`
`06:49.31`	`Corrodias`	`they never have anything decent on that board except by accident`
`06:51.29`	`Thrae`	`Corrodias: www.not4chanserver.org , www.7chan.org`
`06:51.56`	`Corrodias`	`thanks. i'm just being thorough. i want to see if somebody accidentally posted a good image in here.`
`06:53.16`	`Corrodias`	`it would seem not, although that might depend on one's standards`
`06:53.26`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`oh lawd is dat sum duck`
`06:53.37`	`Thrae`	`Corrodias: You're a guro guy, aren't you >.>`
`06:53.49`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`guro bad :[`
`06:54.30`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`wait thrae`
`06:54.38`	`Corrodias`	`i'm interested in a wide array of porn, including a certain subset of guro`
`06:54.45`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`what class do you play again`
`06:54.52`	`Thrae`	`Druid, why?`
`06:55.00`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i'm sensing a trend here`
`06:55.21`	`Corrodias`	`whatever could that be?`
`06:55.32`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`well`
`06:55.37`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`all 3 of us play druids`
`06:56.02`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`and all 3 of us are 4channers.`
`06:56.30`	`Corrodias`	`so it would seem, or at least 'changoers`
`06:56.37`	`Thrae`	`I've only gone to 4chan and browsed once.`
`06:57.16`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i read /b/ occasionally but beyond that and /w/ and /wg/ is mostly crap`
`06:57.52`	`Thrae`	`I'm more of a straight Anime guy using Bittorrent, and anyone who's into Anime and forums knows 4chan and the other more incestous servers.`
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`06:58.10`	`Thrae`	`I'm also male, which means I'm a pervert right off the bat.`
`06:58.10`	`Corrodias`	`i believe it`
`06:58.20`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`habeeb it.`
`06:59.02`	`Thrae`	`An otaku male who denies they occasionally view hentai is in denial.`
`06:59.32`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`http://orz.4chan.org/wg/src/1169856204055.jpg`
`06:59.56`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i heard the blizzard guys got ...drysc, or tseric some hentai for his birthday last year`
`06:59.59`	`Corrodias`	`th.. what`
`07:00.02`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i need to see if i can dig that post up`
`07:01.21`	`Corrodias`	`it turns out that people tend to like porn!`
`07:01.34`	`zenzelezz`	`no wai`
`07:03.01`	`Corrodias`	`don't you start`
`07:04.15`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`man`
`07:04.35`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i'm addicted to this game: http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/360724`
`07:04.35`	`Corrodias`	`FIND THE POST`
`07:04.35`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`it's really easy`
`07:05.03`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`but it's fun :O`
`07:05.34`	`Thrae`	`All I could find was http://www.blue.cardplace.com/cache/wow-customer-service/112386.htm`
`07:05.48`	`Thrae`	`Which just has someone quoting him`
`07:07.18`	`Corrodias`	`that's not a quote of him...`
`07:07.31`	`Thrae`	`Corrodias: In the poster's sig`
`07:07.43`	`Thrae`	`This channel's topic is old by the way...TOC is 20005`
`07:07.58`	`Thrae`	`Actually maybe 20006, I forget now`
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`07:27.00`	`zenzelezz`	`nice train Legorol =)`
`07:27.13`	`Shadowed`	`Thrae: It's still listed as 2003 in FrameXML.toc`
`07:27.20`	`Shadowed`	`~lart Thrae`
`07:27.45`	`Shadowed`	`silly afk whisper mod thingy`
`07:30.23`	`Shadowed`	`er, 20003`
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`08:01.27`	`Shane__`	`Any ideas why my Addon errors when I put this:SetValue(1) in any of my frames?`
`08:04.16`	`Shane__`	`nevermind its order seems to be important before minmax`
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`08:25.54`	`Swado`	`Could someone with experience with lua send me a PM, i need a bit of help with lua events.`
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`09:36.56`	`tingle`	`hi`
`09:53.59`	`Swado`	`can someone tell me why this script isn't working? http://wowi.pastey.net/5700`
`09:54.30`	`Swado`	`i can remove a lot of junk from that, but why won't it work at all?`
`09:58.28`	`Swado`	`night`
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`12:24.27`	`tingle`	`could someone help me quick hers the pasty: http://www.pastey.net/5703 at the line: TALPG_Data={ where the tabel starts is the zone name "Azuremyst Isle" that says that the quests in there are for Azuremyst Isle, how do i add another zone?`
`12:28.58`	`tingle`	`would i have to add something like this: http://www.pastey.net/5704`
`12:30.18`	`tingle`	`??`
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`12:53.11`	`JamieSI`	`seriously`
`12:53.13`	`JamieSI`	`is crazytalk here?`
`12:54.01`	`JamieSI`	`seriously getting annoyed with him, hes rubbish at mirrors page, VGpro and others always changed to the top and move my mirror links down so when I revert them back he bloody well removes mine.`
`12:58.46`	`Wobin`	`tingle: you'll need a comma between them`
`12:59.20`	`Wobin`	`http://www.pastey.net/5706`
`13:01.39`	`Flaska`	`are you working on a guide addon?`
`13:04.24`	`JamieSI`	`who?`
`13:04.25`	`JamieSI`	`me?`
`13:04.31`	`JamieSI`	`I'm on about the patch mirror pages`
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`13:10.11`	`tingle`	`yes i am`
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`13:10.24`	`tingle`	`want a draenei level 1-12 demo ?`
`13:11.09`	`Flaska`	`me? =P`
`13:11.32`	`tingle`	`yea you asked`
`13:11.44`	`Flaska`	`ah =P My computer crashed`
`13:11.45`	`Wobin`	`btw tingle, you might want to investigate looking into using a compressionlib to compress that text`
`13:11.52`	`Wobin`	`Cause that's a whole lot of info to load up each time`
`13:11.57`	`Flaska`	`Is it brian kopps guide ?`
`13:12.13`	`tingle`	`no not realy`
`13:12.21`	`tingle`	`well abit maby`
`13:12.32`	`Flaska`	`=)`
`13:12.38`	`Flaska`	`just a questio`
`13:12.39`	`Flaska`	`n`
`13:12.42`	`tingle`	`but things that i personly dont like and can do better i changed`
`13:12.57`	`Flaska`	`can I make an addon an put like alot of pictures into it?`
`13:13.13`	`tingle`	`if you convert them to blp2 yes`
`13:13.40`	`Flaska`	`all the blp converters I downloaded was crap so I gave up the addon development =P`
`13:14.07`	`tingle`	`sec`
`13:16.02`	`tingle`	`http://fara.webeddie.com/frames/frame7.html for pictures (youll have to add a directory to your addon folder to load your custom images (dont ask dont know how)) and blp 2 converter: http://wow.curse-gaming.com/en/files/details/1436/wowimage-blp/`
`13:16.38`	`tingle`	`Wobin: what you mean with a compressionlib, how do i do that`
`13:18.30`	`Flaska`	`tingle: I don't understand much of that =P thanks anyway =)`
`13:19.13`	`Wobin`	`something like lzw http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5394-lzwLib-1.0.html`
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`13:35.55`	`Flaska`	`reading a tutorial atm =)`
`13:36.44`	`Flaska`	`But I doubt I will learn any advanced scripting without looking through others work though =)`
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`13:52.43`	`JamieSI`	`kickburn!`
`13:52.45`	`JamieSI`	`please`
`13:52.46`	`JamieSI`	`are you there?`
`13:52.51`	`JamieSI`	`Kirkburn* :)`
`13:52.57`	`JamieSI`	`problems problems`
`13:53.03`	`Kirkburn`	`hullo`
`13:53.24`	`JamieSI`	`other channel :)`
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`13:55.34`	`Bouvi`	`Well I am back in town did you all miss me?`
`13:56.06`	`sysraeg`	`no comment`
`13:57.22`	`Flaska`	`lf some lua elite -_-`
`13:59.08`	`kaso`	`~just ask`
`13:59.10`	`purl`	`just ask your question - do not ask to ask. when you ask, ask all on one line - tell us what you did, what you saw, and what you expected to see.`
`13:59.10`	`kaso`	`:>`
`13:59.50`	`Flaska`	`eh`
`13:59.52`	`Flaska`	`k =D`
`14:01.05`	`Flaska`	`ok so I'm reading this old tut: http://vnboards.ign.com/WoW_UI_Customization/b22852/79108902/?8 and there's a link to the lua functions that wow uses -> http://www.cosmosui.org/texts/BlizzardCommands.xml but it doesen't work, where else can I find out?`
`14:01.29`	`kaso`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/World_of_Warcraft_API`
`14:01.34`	`kaso`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_API`
`14:01.47`	`kaso`	`Thats pretty much every function supplied by blizzard`
`14:03.52`	`Flaska`	`It's easyer to learn the whole php language complete with sql commands than rto learn addon making =/`
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`14:04.40`	`kaso`	`mm, well the one thing the UI does lack is real documentation`
`14:04.49`	`kaso`	`thats why we've gotta maintain the wiki`
`14:06.03`	`Flaska`	`=)`
`14:06.34`	`kaso`	`Have you seen Fara's Frame tutorial, its the best one around atm if you've learning the basics`
`14:07.00`	`Flaska`	`I need a function that shows/hides the frame that I create via the xml, a function that creates a minimap button and handles it, and a function that adds additional keybinds.`
`14:07.36`	`kaso`	`hokay!`
`14:07.37`	`Flaska`	`where can I find that tut?`
`14:07.39`	`kaso`	`Well first`
`14:07.58`	`kaso`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/API_Region_Hide`
`14:08.19`	`kaso`	`next, keybindings`
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`14:08.35`	`weazer`	`Hey pro's, how do i get SCT damage to stand over people?`
`14:08.43`	`kaso`	`You cant`
`14:08.44`	`Flaska`	`you can't`
`14:08.52`	`Flaska`	`disable sctd and enable blizzard text`
`14:09.09`	`weazer`	`Ohh that's the secre.t`
`14:09.12`	`kaso`	`well, actually thats not perfectly correct, but you cant do it in a nice non-hacky horrible way`
`14:09.13`	`weazer`	`Cheers!`
`14:09.18`	`kaso`	`*can`
`14:09.54`	`Flaska`	`hey kaso, can you link that awesome tut? =)`
`14:10.02`	`kaso`	`sec`
`14:10.16`	`kaso`	`My internet seems to be fucking up cant get on google`
`14:10.26`	`kaso`	`search for "World of warcraft Frame tutorial"`
`14:10.30`	`kaso`	`its about half way down`
`14:10.39`	`kaso`	`its like fara.something.com/frames`
`14:11.07`	`Flaska`	`eh`
`14:11.13`	`Flaska`	`results: 1 on google =)`
`14:11.14`	`Flaska`	`waut`
`14:11.15`	`Flaska`	`wait`
`14:11.35`	`kaso`	`for the Keybindings, check out any big addon, CTRA for example, and look at their "Bindings.xml" file`
`14:12.04`	`Flaska`	`farang's tutorial =)`
`14:12.09`	`Flaska`	`found it`
`14:12.10`	`kaso`	`thats the one`
`14:12.19`	`kaso`	`can you paste the link`
`14:13.59`	`tingle`	`kaso look http://www.megaupload.com/?d=PEUKV8GU 1-12 draenei :D finished`
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`14:14.44`	`kaso`	`perhaps you know then tingle, whats the draeni quest where you get a 100% speed mount for 10min or something`
`14:15.09`	`Flaska`	`ah sorry I was reading the guide :D`
`14:15.13`	`Flaska`	`http://fara.webeddie.com/frames/`
`14:15.27`	`kaso`	`purl, faraframes is http://fara.webeddie.com/frames/`
`14:15.30`	`purl`	`kaso: okay`
`14:15.34`	`kaso`	`~faraframes`
`14:15.35`	`purl`	`rumour has it, faraframes is http://fara.webeddie.com/frames/`
`14:15.39`	`kaso`	`woot`
`14:16.13`	`Flaska`	`kaso, can I put two <frame> blocks on 1 xml? I want like 1 config window and 1 output window =P`
`14:16.23`	`kaso`	`Yes ofc`
`14:16.25`	`Flaska`	`=)`
`14:16.44`	`kaso`	`each frame block defines a new separate frame`
`14:17.04`	`kaso`	`<frames> blocks within a frame defines child frames etc etc`
`14:17.29`	`kaso`	`oh you also wanted to know about minimap buttons didnt you`
`14:18.27`	`Flaska`	`yes =)`
`14:18.55`	`kaso`	`gimme a second to find my template code so you can have a look over that`
`14:19.27`	`Flaska`	`brain overload =) Gotta go do some homework to relax my brain, be right back 30 mins or so`
`14:19.36`	`kaso`	`ill pm you a link`
`14:19.40`	`Flaska`	`thx`
`14:19.54`	`Flaska`	`I hate the lua language btw, totally fewked up =P`
`14:20.01`	`kaso`	`lies!`
`14:20.05`	`kaso`	`its xml thats nasty`
`14:20.13`	`Flaska`	`I can understand xml`
`14:20.27`	`Flaska`	but lua with all =:: `�```]][ is wierd
`14:20.47`	`krka`	`what's wrong with lua?`
`14:21.04`	`kaso`	`dont trust the lua technical manual, i never understood it`
`14:21.04`	`kaso`	`read programming in lua its pretty awesome`
`14:21.05`	`krka`	"lua with all =:: `´```]][" ?
`14:21.06`	`krka`	`what does that even mean?`
`14:21.24`	`kaso`	`krka it looks like how they explain stuff in the technical manual`
`14:21.41`	`krka`	`you mean ::= to define the grammar?`
`14:22.01`	`Flaska`	`what is ::=? seriously, why would anybody ever need it?`
`14:22.19`	`krka`	`i think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of lua`
`14:22.28`	`Flaska`	`in php there are "$variable = "string"; "`
`14:22.31`	`krka`	`::= is not a part of lua`
`14:22.34`	`Flaska`	`ah`
`14:22.35`	`Flaska`	`=P`
`14:22.41`	`Flaska`	`then what is it`
`14:22.42`	`krka`	`the manual uses it to describe the grammar`
`14:22.48`	`Flaska`	`eh`
`14:22.54`	`Flaska`	`that sounds stupid to me`
`14:22.59`	`krka`	`why?`
`14:23.48`	`Flaska`	`like "exp ::= function" what do they mean?`
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`14:24.08`	`Flaska`	and "prefixexp ::= var \| functioncall \| `(� exp `)�"
`14:24.23`	`krka`	`just ignore those parts and read the examples`
`14:24.27`	`Flaska`	`ok =)`
`14:24.42`	`kaso`	`check out http://www.lua.org/pil/ pil for more human friendly examples`
`14:24.48`	`Wobin`	`Flaska: That's standard notation for describing programming language syntax =)`
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`14:25.20`	`Wobin`	`lua can be quite elegant`
`14:25.20`	`Flaska`	`eh`
`14:25.29`	`Flaska`	`what's pil =P`
`14:25.40`	`Wobin`	`programming in lua`
`14:25.59`	`kaso`	`by the wonderful Roberto Ierusalimschy ! (that name owns)`
`14:26.21`	`Flaska`	`=)`
`14:26.28`	`Wobin`	`Yerusalimsky?`
`14:26.38`	`Wobin`	`s/y/i/`
`14:26.39`	`Flaska`	`what happens if I put print("hello there"); in my code?`
`14:26.47`	`Wobin`	`nothing in WoW`
`14:27.01`	`Wobin`	`in the lua interpreter, it'll print 'hello there' =)`
`14:27.12`	`Flaska`	`heh`
`14:27.20`	`kaso`	`wow has no print function, you'd have to use ChatFrame1:AddMessage("hello world")`
`14:27.43`	`Flaska`	`How do I add text and images to my frame then? =)`
`14:27.53`	`Flaska`	`framename:AddMessage() ?`
`14:28.00`	`kaso`	`faraframes has examples on the later pages`
`14:28.01`	`kaso`	`read though it`
`14:28.04`	`Flaska`	`k`
`14:28.05`	`Flaska`	`later on`
`14:29.00`	`Flaska`	`thanks for the explaining and help, really appreciated`
`14:29.10`	`kaso`	`one last thing`
`14:29.14`	`kaso`	`http://www.pastey.net/5707`
`14:29.22`	`kaso`	`thats my minimap button template`
`14:30.50`	`Flaska`	`k I don't understand very much but I guess I will later`
`14:31.09`	`krka`	`used any other language?`
`14:31.55`	`Flaska`	`only web launguages; php, sql, html, css, a little javascript and ajax`
`14:32.23`	`Flaska`	`and tryed to start learn java but that made me sick`
`14:32.54`	`Wobin`	`It does that to many people =\`
`14:33.06`	`kaso`	`haha`
`14:33.32`	`krka`	`ajax is a language these days?`
`14:33.38`	`Flaska`	`well, almost =P`
`14:33.39`	`Kirkburn`	`Btw, eBay has announced that it will no longer accept listings for virtual items and accounts for online games like World of Warcraft.`
`14:33.44`	`kaso`	`Im learning java at the moment, and i miss so much about lua`
`14:33.45`	`Flaska`	`a little add to javascript`
`14:33.57`	`Flaska`	`haha`
`14:34.01`	`Flaska`	`that's nice Kirkburn`
`14:34.08`	`Flaska`	`I hate ebayers`
`14:34.09`	`Flaska`	`=)`
`14:34.11`	`Kirkburn`	`=)`
`14:34.45`	`kaso`	`It wont stop anything though, i assume one off the big gold-sellers will branch into account auctions`
`14:35.00`	`kaso`	`(or they may already have, i dont keep that close an eye)`
`14:38.31`	`Flaska`	`It's hard leaving this whole new world of lua =) Just one last question kaso, is all that in http://www.pastey.net/5707 supposed to be in the main xml file?`
`14:38.48`	`kaso`	`yah`
`14:39.18`	`kaso`	`if you just throw it at the bottom, then change its name, put your own texture in, it should work "out of the box"`
`14:40.00`	`Flaska`	`and wait, what will out("FaraFrames: OnLoad"); du?`
`14:40.01`	`Flaska`	`do?`
`14:40.10`	`Flaska`	`output as error or something?`
`14:41.33`	`kaso`	`<PROTECTED>`
`14:41.42`	`kaso`	`its just a generate printf type function`
`14:42.03`	`kaso`	`yeh on page one they define the lua for out`
`14:42.18`	`kaso`	`it just displays the text on Default chat frame and UIErrorsFrame`
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`14:43.19`	`kaso`	`which they acutally define as a global which isnt particularly good practice`
`14:43.57`	`nomenquis`	`hey kaso, did you continue on the auto loot for mining / other skills addon?`
`14:44.12`	`kaso`	`i did actually`
`14:44.18`	`nomenquis`	`cool`
`14:44.29`	`nomenquis`	`any chance i can get a newer version?`
`14:44.39`	`kaso`	`i havent uploaded it yet because i havent really go around to testing it, you can be a tester for me`
`14:44.49`	`nomenquis`	`sure`
`14:45.21`	`nomenquis`	`did you do german translations yet? because if you did I know a second tester :)`
`14:45.54`	`kaso`	`no, actually i didnt even add any localisation at all`
`14:46.10`	`foxlit`	`Could someone convert a PNG to a BLP/TGA for me?`
`14:46.26`	`foxlit`	`Most of the tools I've tried to use produce some sort of artifact :)`
`14:46.30`	`kaso`	`Perhaps you can ask your german friend to give translations of all the lowercase strings in the addon`
`14:46.44`	`Scre3m`	`foxlit, sure`
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`14:48.13`	`nomenquis`	`I can translate it myself, thats no problem`
`14:48.20`	`foxlit`	`Great, let me just upload it somewhere :)`
`14:49.17`	`Scre3m`	`email it to me`
`14:49.41`	`kaso`	`nomenquis, http://kasoo.net/filez/JAutoLoot.zip`
`14:49.54`	`kaso`	`gotta go out later, pm if you need anything`
`14:50.16`	`Industrial`	`Can I do: b:SetAttribute('type', 'action') b:SetAttribute('action', 1) b:SetAttribute('shift-action', 13) ?`
`14:50.25`	`Industrial`	`I am reading http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=50956831&sid=1`
`14:50.51`	`Industrial`	`and All I want is 12 buttons that change to page 2 and 3 when i hold shift and ctrl, and changes on stance/form/stealth`
`14:52.12`	`nomenquis`	`cool, will try it later, thx`
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`15:02.25`	`Industrial`	`I dont get it :(`
`15:04.08`	`Flaska`	`x are width and y are height right?`
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`15:09.10`	`Industrial`	`Flaska: what? no.`
`15:09.40`	`Flaska`	`so y are width and x height then?`
`15:09.49`	`Industrial`	`Flaska: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartesian_coordinate_system`
`15:11.21`	`Flaska`	`than it's like I said =P`
`15:11.32`	`krka`	`no`
`15:11.42`	`krka`	`x and y denote positions`
`15:11.45`	`Flaska`	`I KNOW it's about position but you can imagine`
`15:11.47`	`krka`	`width and height denote sizes`
`15:11.53`	`Flaska`	`lol`
`15:11.59`	`Flaska`	`nvm =P`
`15:12.20`	`Flaska`	`i meant that y are up and down and x are right and left`
`15:12.29`	`Flaska`	`I forget about that all the time lol`
`15:13.00`	`Industrial`	`i actually found that wikipedia pagemby searching for "x axis"`
`15:17.51`	`Flaska`	`eh`
`15:17.59`	`Flaska`	`now I'm really confused`
`15:17.59`	`Flaska`	`-- create 1000 new entries`
`15:17.59`	`Flaska`	`for i=1,1000 do a[i] = i*2 end`
`15:18.08`	`Flaska`	`is supposed to make 1000 new entries`
`15:18.11`	`Flaska`	`what is that really?`
`15:19.46`	`Industrial`	`lol Flaska, this is programming 101 >_>`
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`15:20.49`	`Industrial`	`there are alot of books and tutorials on programming, but im afraid the lua manual or the Programming in Lua book dont start where you need to start..`
`15:20.50`	`kaso`	`iteration is fun!`
`15:21.49`	`Flaska`	`I know the for syntax in php`
`15:22.14`	`Industrial`	`well then`
`15:22.22`	`krka`	`iteration is fun! iteration is fun! iteration is fun! iteration is fun! iteration is fun!`
`15:22.36`	`Industrial`	`http://www.lua.org/pil/1.html`
`15:22.37`	`kaso`	`hahaha, oh god i found that far too funny`
`15:22.41`	`Industrial`	`http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/`
`15:22.44`	`Industrial`	`have fun!`
`15:22.53`	`Flaska`	`for ($i = 1; $i != 1000; $i++) { $array[$i] = $i; }`
`15:22.57`	`Flaska`	`way simplier`
`15:23.03`	`Industrial`	`er, no. lol`
`15:23.07`	`Industrial`	`just look at it. ew.`
`15:23.13`	`Flaska`	`it's godlike`
`15:23.17`	`Flaska`	`sooo easy to understand`
`15:23.22`	`kaso`	`lua is much more human reaable`
`15:23.31`	`Flaska`	`eh`
`15:23.33`	`Flaska`	`no`
`15:23.40`	`nomenquis`	`iteration? recursion is fun :)`
`15:23.40`	`Flaska`	`=P`
`15:23.51`	`kaso`	`for i=1,100 do === (for every value between 1 and 100 do this)`
`15:23.52`	`kaso`	`easy`
`15:23.55`	`Industrial`	`yes it is. go read those links I just linked and come back after :D`
`15:23.59`	`Flaska`	`ah`
`15:24.05`	`Flaska`	`didnt understand that lol`
`15:24.11`	`Industrial`	`lol.`
`15:24.29`	`Flaska`	`but what if I want to do something until i is over 1000? and not only 1000 times?`
`15:24.47`	`Flaska`	`like sometimes it goes i = i+1 and sometimes +0`
`15:24.53`	`Flaska`	`or something like that =P`
`15:24.58`	`Industrial`	`dude, links.`
`15:25.13`	`nomenquis`	`kaso, still here?`
`15:25.19`	`kaso`	`i am`
`15:25.21`	`kaso`	`well, i am back`
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`15:26.04`	`nomenquis`	`ok, i've not tried it since i'm running an instance currently, but from looking at the source it looks like there is a bug :)`
`15:26.13`	`kaso`	`ooh, shoot`
`15:26.40`	`nomenquis`	`the problem is that you're defaulting pickpocket to false. now, if i log in with a non rogue alt then the setting will get overwritten with false, doesn't it?`
`15:26.56`	`Wobin`	`Flaska: You can....`
`15:27.31`	`Wobin`	`or rather...`
`15:27.38`	`kaso`	`iirc i put the SV's as percharater, so it should worki i think`
`15:27.39`	`Wobin`	`You need to learn proper coding practices`
`15:27.42`	`nomenquis`	`i'd just get rid of the default value anyway`
`15:27.50`	`Wobin`	`You -don't- modify an iterator inside the loop`
`15:27.59`	`Wobin`	`That path leads to madness`
`15:28.00`	`kaso`	`oh wait`
`15:28.09`	`kaso`	`shit, i didnt even put any saved variables :<`
`15:28.26`	`Wobin`	`And horrific untrackable side effects`
`15:28.30`	`kaso`	`nomenquis whatcah mean get rid of the default?`
`15:29.19`	`nomenquis`	`why do you set the default to false for a non rogue class anway?`
`15:29.19`	`nomenquis`	`anyway`
`15:29.19`	`haste`	`(Wobin knows all about it)`
`15:29.19`	`kaso`	`because why does a non-rogue need to pickpocket?`
`15:29.21`	`Wobin`	`I mean, what happens if the code you write inside the loop somehow moves $i to something like 1001?`
`15:29.24`	`Wobin`	`You infinitely loop`
`15:29.40`	`Wobin`	`and crash when you run out of memory`
`15:29.50`	`nomenquis`	`point is, the variables are saved per account and not per char (or did i miss something here?) and thus you'd override the setting if a user has a non rogue alt`
`15:30.09`	`kaso`	`You can put sv's as per char`
`15:30.17`	`kaso`	`## Savedvariablepercharater`
`15:30.39`	`kaso`	`## SavedVariablesPerCharacter even`
`15:30.53`	`nomenquis`	`hmmm, didn't see any per char saving done in the script, but well, don't know much about wow api either :)`
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`15:31.11`	`kaso`	`well there isnt, i kinda forgot to tell it to saved variables :>`
`15:31.13`	`kaso`	`thats the bug!`
`15:31.15`	`Industrial`	`Wobin: pm! :P`
`15:31.21`	`nomenquis`	`I see ^^`
`15:33.10`	`kaso`	`but actually now you mention it`
`15:33.22`	`kaso`	`it really is pointless disabling for non-rogues`
`15:33.29`	`nomenquis`	`^^`
`15:33.34`	`Wobin`	`~ping`
`15:33.35`	`purl`	`pong`
`15:34.05`	`Industrial`	`Wobin: ping`
`15:34.15`	`Wobin`	`woah`
`15:34.19`	`Wobin`	`lag burst`
`15:35.18`	`Wobin`	`I know all about what?`
`15:35.42`	`kaso`	`You're not making much sense`
`15:36.31`	`Wobin`	`<haste> (Wobin knows all about it)`
`15:37.01`	`kaso`	`i guess he meant "horrific untrackable side effects"?`
`15:37.06`	`Wobin`	`oh yeah`
`15:37.24`	`Wobin`	`experience is a harsh teacher =P`
`15:37.48`	`kaso`	`sounds like an interesting story`
`15:38.40`	`Flaska`	`Wobin: sorry for the late answer. In php you can do this: $i <= 1000, means either lower or 1000`
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`15:38.52`	`Wobin`	`yes I know`
`15:38.57`	`Wobin`	`I've worked in php`
`15:39.07`	`Flaska`	`then you know why I want to use that =P`
`15:39.10`	`Wobin`	`However, I've also found some of the worst code ever written, in php`
`15:39.21`	`Wobin`	`ah well`
`15:39.27`	`Wobin`	`It's all syntax when you get down to it`
`15:39.44`	`Wobin`	`you'll learn to think in many many languages with enough practice =)`
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`15:40.02`	`kaso`	`you can easily do something like that in lua, local i=0; while <= 1000 do Stuff(); i=i+1; end;`
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`15:41.21`	`Wobin`	`but the basic premise remains the same =)`
`15:41.25`	`kaso`	`i++ and i+= are a one of the most annoying things about lua`
`15:41.29`	`kaso`	`(well lack thereof)`
`15:41.40`	`Wobin`	`If you have to modify your iterator within your loop, you're doing it wrong =)`
`15:41.51`	`Wobin`	`And there's probably a better way to do it`
`15:41.52`	`nomenquis`	`another one kaso, please include the short versions in the helptext. I'd not guess that /jal de toggles disenchanting, however i'd much rather use this one than the long version :)`
`15:42.07`	`Wobin`	`but agreed on that, Kaso`
`15:42.12`	`kaso`	`ok, good idea nom`
`15:42.36`	`nomenquis`	`there are way too many addons out there where you have to read the source to find out about such things already :)`
`15:42.58`	`Dogmax`	`How do i hide the pet "HEALTH 1234" text?`
`15:43.39`	`Industrial`	`Dogmax: it would help saying what addon you are talking about, lol`
`15:44.24`	`Dogmax`	`Not a specific addon`
`15:44.56`	`Dogmax`	`i'll rewrite my question :P is there a addon that allows hiding pet health/mana text?`
`15:45.06`	`Flaska`	`eh`
`15:45.10`	`Industrial`	`theres an interface setting in the blizzard settings menu for the blizzard unitframes (wich i'd consider the addon in question in this case) if thats what you mean`
`15:45.14`	`Flaska`	`where exactly is that pet?`
`15:45.14`	`kaso`	`nomenquis, if you fancy ive uploaded changes, but its not really neccasarry to download just minor changes`
`15:45.21`	`Flaska`	`pet window`
`15:45.51`	`Flaska`	`nvm`
`15:45.54`	`nomenquis`	`minor changes like saved variables? :)`
`15:46.04`	`kaso`	`yes`
`15:46.10`	`Dogmax`	`Industrial, what i want is my health/man text to stay, while my pets text walk away.. outta the earth`
`15:46.31`	`kaso`	`and the shortcuts, and the fact you can actually disable rogue pickpocketing now`
`15:46.37`	`nomenquis`	`will redownload it (if you please tell me the url again) and try this version then as soon as i can restart wow`
`15:47.06`	`kaso`	`http://kasoo.net/filez/JAutoLoot.zip`
`15:47.14`	`Industrial`	`Dogmax: you could.... make your own unitframes and do that`
`15:47.42`	`Dogmax`	`xD lol yea`
`15:48.04`	`Industrial`	`cant you just write down the max numbers?`
`15:48.13`	`Industrial`	`like, with paper and a pencil?`
`15:48.24`	`Flaska`	`no, ink`
`15:48.56`	`Industrial`	`no, pencil. you can erase it and keep it updated`
`15:49.00`	`Dogmax`	`dude.. i dont do paper and pencil .. :)`
`15:49.16`	`Industrial`	`Dogmax: im just being pragmatic here`
`15:49.17`	`Flaska`	`I use UltraEdit`
`15:49.34`	`Dogmax`	`anyway.. I figured out..`
`15:49.39`	`Dogmax`	`i know :P`
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`15:50.50`	`Flaska`	`with lua and wowxml in wordlist, but still no lua highlight =/`
`15:51.24`	`Industrial`	`must... resist...starting...editor-war...`
`15:51.28`	`Industrial`	`ah i cant`
`15:51.32`	`Flaska`	`heh`
`15:51.32`	`Industrial`	`Flaska: vim.org`
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`15:52.43`	`Flaska`	`sooo... vim supports lua and wowxml?`
`15:53.14`	`Industrial`	`xml is xml, and yes it supports lua and xml`
`15:53.44`	`nomenquis`	`another suggestion kaso: while you're at it, you could add toggling the global autolooting too :)`
`15:55.09`	`Flaska`	`Industrial: have you ever used ultraedit`
`15:55.11`	`Flaska`	`?`
`15:55.37`	`Industrial`	`no`
`15:55.54`	`Flaska`	`eh`
`15:55.56`	`Industrial`	`notepad and vim.`
`15:55.59`	`Flaska`	`now wim is up`
`15:56.03`	`Flaska`	`what do I do next?`
`15:56.20`	`Industrial`	`start the tutorial`
`15:57.03`	`Flaska`	`eh`
`15:57.30`	`Flaska`	`pretty rigid interface`
`15:58.07`	`Industrial`	`yes, and no it will not start typing when you begin typing. it works differently. read the website/intro/tutorial youll come to know it :o`
`15:58.18`	`Industrial`	`next :-)`
`15:58.45`	`Flaska`	`VIM: 1/5, UltraEdit-32 Proffessional 5/5`
`15:58.53`	`Flaska`	`sorry industrial =P`
`15:59.51`	`Industrial`	`#care\`
`15:59.59`	`Flaska`	`=)`
`16:01.38`	`Flaska`	`I mean, how do I even use it =P`
`16:02.01`	`Flaska`	`k`
`16:02.18`	`Flaska`	`I can do it for free =)`
`16:02.39`	`krka`	`yeah, but i don't think rici would :(`
`16:02.42`	`Flaska`	`haha`
`16:02.43`	`Flaska`	`k`
`16:02.45`	`Flaska`	`why ? =)`
`16:02.54`	`krka`	`big waste of time`
`16:03.20`	`Flaska`	`Why would it be? What's your point?`
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`16:05.29`	`krka`	`never mind`
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`16:08.05`	`Flaska`	`Elkano: are you the dev of ElkBuffBars?`
`16:08.39`	`Flaska`	`or are you fake nicking? =P`
`16:09.40`	`Elkano`	`how dare you asking that :( I'm disapointed :(`
`16:11.04`	`Flaska`	`=P`
`16:11.57`	`nomenquis`	`kaso, another one, print the current status into the help text please :)`
`16:12.08`	`nomenquis`	`kaso\|philo: mining does not work`
`16:12.43`	`nomenquis`	`kaso\|philo?? i just typed kaso`
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`16:28.48`	`Mike-N-Go`	`I am exploring the Outlands without clothes :0`
`16:29.15`	`JoshBorke`	`that's a good way to do it`
`16:29.18`	`JoshBorke`	`takes a while tohugh ;-)`
`16:29.36`	`Mike-N-Go`	`I expect to die..`
`16:29.54`	`Mike-N-Go`	`Because if I aggro 5 level 65+ mobs..`
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`16:30.02`	`Mike-N-Go`	`And I get demounted.`
`16:32.00`	`Mike-N-Go`	`To bad Auto Run does not 'Run you Automatically' back to your corpse.`
`16:34.35`	`Mike-N-Go`	`It is so fun to rez, then try to run somewhere to eat..`
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`16:34.53`	`JoshBorke`	`lol`
`16:35.05`	`Mike-N-Go`	`Fast food?`
`16:35.17`	`Mike-N-Go`	`Is that what the mobs think of me as?`
`16:35.38`	`Flaska`	`why don't you get your clothes on again?`
`16:39.15`	`Flaska`	`=P`
`16:41.53`	`JoshBorke`	`so when he dies to lvl 70 mobs he doesn't take durability damage of course :-P`
`16:42.08`	`Flaska`	`ah =P`
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`16:42.32`	`Flaska`	`get a flying mount and fly around naked instead ^^`
`16:42.50`	`JoshBorke`	`i think he's only like lvl 62?`
`16:47.08`	`Flaska`	`k =)`
`16:52.27`	`Mike-N-Go`	`Level 61.`
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`16:59.35`	`kaso`	`nomenquis, mining you say?`
`16:59.38`	`nomenquis`	`yep`
`17:00.09`	`kaso`	`ok, do you have devtools or something similar?`
`17:00.17`	`nomenquis`	`nope, nothing at all`
`17:00.27`	`nomenquis`	`well, nothing wow specific at leat ^^`
`17:00.29`	`nomenquis`	`least`
`17:00.39`	`kaso`	`gimme a moment to write a test script for you`
`17:01.41`	`nomenquis`	`wait a second`
`17:01.49`	`nomenquis`	`could be that this is a bug in another addon`
`17:01.54`	`nomenquis`	`i'm using cartographer`
`17:02.07`	`nomenquis`	`could this influence anything?`
`17:03.11`	`kaso`	`nah`
`17:03.16`	`Mike-N-Go`	`Everything influences everything else, young one.`
`17:03.17`	`kaso`	`its prob i just have the wrong spell for mining`
`17:03.25`	`kaso`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:03.28`	`kaso`	`run that`
`17:03.31`	`kaso`	`then go mine something`
`17:04.04`	`nomenquis`	`i better only run this before i start mining, don't it?`
`17:04.28`	`kaso`	`Run it now`
`17:04.30`	`kaso`	`once`
`17:04.31`	`kaso`	`then go mine`
`17:04.36`	`kaso`	`itll say something to chatframe`
`17:04.38`	`kaso`	`tell me that :>`
`17:05.01`	`nomenquis`	`yea, but the 'go mine' part involves calling a lot of spells till i get there :)`
`17:05.18`	`Industrial`	`What is the stance bar called in the bindings menu?`
`17:05.35`	`kaso`	`nomenquis well then you'll get alot of spam, ignore it`
`17:05.51`	`Industrial`	`ah its Special Action Button`
`17:06.20`	`nomenquis`	`where should the message be?`
`17:06.52`	`kaso`	`In your main chat window`
`17:06.54`	`nomenquis`	`nope`
`17:06.56`	`nomenquis`	`nothing`
`17:07.12`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Amazing, PC World (one of the biggest UK computer stores) has finally said goodbye to the floppy disk :D`
`17:07.32`	`Shane__`	`Is the potential for say 600-800 lines of SavedVariablesPerCharacter unreasonable? If so I'll have to write something that resets non/current values back to nil, cutting it down by about 8x :)`
`17:07.35`	`kaso`	`blah`
`17:07.40`	`kaso`	`lemme find one of my chars with mining then`
`17:08.15`	`krka`	`you have an optimization of 8x and wonder if you should use it? O_o`
`17:08.52`	`Shane__`	`krka my thoughts is it will complexify the code quite a bit`
`17:09.15`	`Shane__`	`as I will be constatly doing garbage collection`
`17:09.46`	`nomenquis`	`hmm, no spell casts at all are shown in the main window`
`17:09.56`	`nomenquis`	`are you sure your script is correct?`
`17:10.02`	`Flaska`	`lol. call me a mirc noob but these sounds was driving me crazy until I realized it was new message notification because I hadn't scrolled down =)`
`17:10.03`	`Shane__`	`so if 800 lines of SaveVars is no big deal ill avoid cleaning them up :)`
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`17:10.18`	`Shane__`	`Flaska xchat for the win :)`
`17:11.00`	`Flaska`	`I use PolarisX, I will maybe start using Miranda instead`
`17:13.13`	`Flaska`	`Is this possible: To write data to a file with custom format (not savedvariable file or lua file)`
`17:13.27`	`Flaska`	`like to saved.txt`
`17:13.36`	`Arrowmaster`	`no`
`17:13.43`	`Flaska`	`why =/`
`17:13.50`	`Sstixrud`	`security would be my guess`
`17:13.56`	`Flaska`	`k`
`17:14.13`	`Flaska`	`can you write to a .lua file then?`
`17:14.26`	`Flaska`	`without the lua formatting?`
`17:14.29`	`Sstixrud`	`say u wanted to write to c:\io.sys or something`
`17:14.36`	`Flaska`	`nonono`
`17:14.40`	`Flaska`	`not that`
`17:14.43`	`Sstixrud`	`its not like Windows has a filesystem security model or anything :)`
`17:14.59`	`Flaska`	`like interface/addons/MyAddons/saved.txt`
`17:15.39`	`Sstixrud`	`yes I know, I dunno if there is a secure way for blizzard to allow that :) perhaps there is`
`17:15.43`	`Arrowmaster`	`you can only write to the savedvars, nothing else`
`17:16.08`	`Flaska`	`savedvars is a nightmare if I want to extract data from it`
`17:16.12`	`Sstixrud`	`correct me if I am wrong but u dont even write to savevars directly, wow does on its own :)`
`17:17.00`	`Arrowmaster`	`how are you trying to extract data from the savedvars then?`
`17:17.20`	`Flaska`	`upload the whole file to a php script =]`
`17:18.25`	`Arrowmaster`	`well you could try writing something in LUA outside of the game to read the savedvars then export it however you want`
`17:19.21`	`Flaska`	`c++ is too advanced for me, so I gave up trying to learn it =]`
`17:19.37`	`Arrowmaster`	`i said LUA not C++`
`17:19.42`	`Flaska`	`eh`
`17:20.05`	`Flaska`	`How do I execute LUA outside of wow? what program =P`
`17:20.31`	`Xuerian`	`Get the lua binaries.`
`17:20.35`	`Flaska`	`k`
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`17:22.04`	`kaso`	`Woah, why am i getting spammed by like 20 WORLD_MAP_UPDATEs per second`
`17:22.47`	`nomenquis`	`hmm, i got nothing at all`
`17:23.08`	`kaso`	`hmm`
`17:23.25`	`kaso`	`mining seems to be spelt correct, lemme fiddle around with the addon work out whats going wrong`
`17:24.11`	`nomenquis`	`i tried adding minig to your first version, but i also didn't have success. i still think that some other addon is spoiling the fun here`
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`17:24.53`	`kaso`	`Worked it out nomenquis`
`17:25.00`	`Industrial`	`LOL!!!!`
`17:25.03`	`Industrial`	`draenei hunter level 40 on his mount`
`17:25.05`	`nomenquis`	`so?`
`17:25.13`	`Industrial`	`he doesnt fit through the AH door in Sw`
`17:25.17`	`Industrial`	`xD`
`17:26.47`	`nomenquis`	`what was / is the problem?`
`17:27.05`	`Flaska`	`eh`
`17:27.17`	`Industrial`	`How do I remove a chat channel from the list in the chat tab popup/`
`17:27.36`	`kaso`	`nomenquis well the problem was i typoed so that mining was using the same setting as leatherworking`
`17:27.57`	`kaso`	`but now ive corrected it and it still isnt working for mining`
`17:28.05`	`kaso`	`even though everything is going through correctly`
`17:28.18`	`Xuerian`	`Industrial: Keep it from showing, or remove your subscription to it?`
`17:28.19`	`nomenquis`	`yea. i added it to your first version and it didnt work eitehr`
`17:28.38`	`kaso`	`mining seems differnt somehow from the other tradeskill`
`17:28.40`	`kaso`	`odd`
`17:28.47`	`Industrial`	`semove my subscription`
`17:28.57`	`Industrial`	`remove*`
`17:29.00`	`Xuerian`	`Industrial: /leave name or /leave number`
`17:29.08`	`Industrial`	`hm.`
`17:29.26`	`Xuerian`	`Seems to not work sometimes`
`17:29.32`	`Industrial`	`also; how do i get the chatlog from never showing again ever? I hate it. Preferrable non"hacky"`
`17:30.00`	`Xuerian`	`Chatlog? o.0`
`17:30.11`	`Wobin`	`chatleave?`
`17:30.29`	`Industrial`	`er, combatlog`
`17:30.47`	`Xuerian`	`No clue.`
`17:31.01`	`TC_Working`	`Bawls I.V.`
`17:31.36`	`kaso`	`nomenquis as far as i can see this method just "doesnt work" with mining`
`17:31.50`	`kaso`	`i mean its correctly switching to autoloot when you start to channel mining`
`17:31.51`	`nomenquis`	`too bad :(`
`17:31.54`	`kaso`	`but it dont autoloot`
`17:32.02`	`nomenquis`	`ohhh`
`17:32.09`	`TC_Working`	`Industrial: http://www.thinkgeek.com/caffeine/`
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`17:36.22`	`nomenquis`	`autolooting works find if i set it from the interface options though`
`17:36.46`	`Mike-N-Go`	`Did you bind your shift key to something else?`
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`17:38.59`	`godzirra`	`Is there a way t o loot something with a / command?`
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`17:43.40`	`Industrial`	`TC_Working: ^^`
`17:45.00`	`TC_Working`	`heh`
`17:45.17`	`TC_Working`	`there is your fix`
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`17:47.45`	`Xuerian`	`godzirra: No`
`18:01.44`	`Corrodias`	`/useyourdamnmouse`
`18:05.42`	`Flaska`	`haha`
`18:06.26`	`Flaska`	`you could alot of hours making a program that automatically moves your mouse to loot but I doubt it's worth it =)`
`18:06.31`	`Flaska`	`spend*`
`18:06.49`	`kaso`	`Also it'd be bannable :>`
`18:07.18`	`seebs`	`Kaso, I'm pretty sure that the autoloot/not-autoloot thing is decided at the time of the click.`
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`18:07.29`	`seebs`	`So setting it after you start to channel mining wouldn't work.`
`18:07.31`	`kaso`	`seebs it works for other things though`
`18:07.35`	`nomenquis`	`no it's not`
`18:07.37`	`kaso`	`like leatherworking`
`18:07.38`	`seebs`	`Huh!`
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`18:07.46`	`seebs`	`Then I'm stumped.`
`18:07.49`	`kaso`	`mm`
`18:07.50`	`nomenquis`	`at least not for skinning`
`18:07.50`	`kaso`	`me too`
`18:08.10`	`seebs`	`I know that, back before autoloot was in the interface, shift-click autolooted, click and then hold shift didn't.`
`18:08.41`	`nomenquis`	`but it works for skinning just fine`
`18:08.51`	`kaso`	`perhaps skinning is an exception not a rule`
`18:08.56`	`seebs`	`There may just be unreliability in the autoloot, too; a couple times recently, I was disenchanting bags of stuff, and the first thing in a batch would autoloot, but then it wouldn't anymore.`
`18:09.08`	`seebs`	`Oh, doh!`
`18:09.12`	`seebs`	`Skinning would be an exception.`
`18:09.23`	`kaso`	`oh?`
`18:09.25`	`seebs`	`When you mine, you're opening a container, but the object isn't actually being placed in the world.`
`18:09.44`	`seebs`	`When you skin, the objects are actually placed in the corpse, and then a separate loot action is generated.`
`18:09.47`	`kaso`	`aah, i see what you mean`
`18:09.55`	`kaso`	`yes, that makes sense`
`18:09.57`	`kaso`	`damnit`
`18:09.59`	`seebs`	`You can tell because, if you don't take the skinned items, they're still sitting there and other people can take them.`
`18:10.04`	`kaso`	`:< so itll only work for skinning`
`18:10.12`	`seebs`	`I think so.`
`18:10.19`	`seebs`	`Skinning or opening chests, I guess.`
`18:10.27`	`seebs`	`Oh, wait. Probably not chests.`
`18:10.27`	`kaso`	`well isnt opening chests the same as mining`
`18:10.31`	`kaso`	`yaya`
`18:10.34`	`Industrial`	`Im making an addon to show lines on the screen`
`18:10.38`	`Corrodias`	`thus, if you're just grinding up your skinning skill and don't care about the skins, you can leave them lying there for other people to pick up if you want`
`18:10.38`	`Industrial`	`to align shit`
`18:10.54`	`seebs`	`It's sort of inbetween. The item is already in the world, so there isn't a need to separate the loot from the open.`
`18:10.59`	`Industrial`	`but as usual, scaling doesnt want to cooperate with me.`
`18:11.08`	`Industrial`	`http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/6273/wowscrnshot013107190925gz8.jpg`
`18:11.10`	`Industrial`	`:(`
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`18:11.45`	`kaso`	`Industrial, what am i seeing`
`18:11.53`	`Industrial`	`kaso: two lines, red.`
`18:12.00`	`Industrial`	`kaso: and the chat output`
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`18:12.15`	`kaso`	`ok, what does this all mean?`
`18:12.52`	`Industrial`	`it means that the output isnt my screen resolution, and I have no idea how to place more lines exactly in the middle of the middle of those two lines`
`18:14.19`	`Industrial`	`I cant make it like:`
`18:14.25`	`Industrial`	`http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/7828/wowscrnshot013107190925ae7.jpg`
`18:14.26`	`Industrial`	`that`
`18:14.30`	qw`	`I need some help from you guys. I stopped playing a while back and was using DAB as my bar manager, and I sorely miss some of its functionality (as DAB is broken in its current state).`
`18:14.34`	qw`	`I need my bar manager to do this: When I press 'Q' I want three bars to change pages. When I press SHIFT+2 I want bar #2 to be focused. If I then press '2' on my keyboard I should address the second button on bar #2. If I press SHIFT+1 I should focus on bar #1 and if I then proceed to press '1' I should trigger the first button on bar #1. Any bar mods that can do this for me?`
`18:15.01`	`Industrial`	`(or any number of lines really.. once you know the size you can just keep halving it)`
`18:15.02`	`seebs`	`I am not sure. This sounds like something that's flirting with the edges of what's allowed in 2.x.`
`18:15.42`	`seebs`	`I think that changing bindings during combat is currently prohibited.`
`18:15.56`	`Industrial`	`you can do it with trhe secure headers`
`18:16.07`	`Industrial`	`but i dont know of n addon that works like that`
`18:16.14`	qw`	`Oh god so I have to go back to clicking stuff with my mouse?`
`18:16.18`	`seebs`	`It's a neat idea.`
`18:16.39`	`seebs`	`I just use function keys and extra function keys.`
`18:16.46`	`Industrial`	qw`: by all means no. try a different setup?
`18:16.58`	`seebs`	`I do like the paired key combos notion, though. It's a good idea, as "two keys" is probably still faster than a mouse.`
`18:17.16`	`Industrial`	`im now using 1-12, swaps on stance/stealth/form and to bar 2/3/4 with shift/alt/ctrl held.`
`18:17.19`	`seebs`	`Heee.`
`18:17.30`	`seebs`	`Now I have this notion that it would be really fun to implement an emacs mode.`
`18:18.02`	`seebs`	`"Hellfire: C-x C-c"`
`18:18.04`	qw`	`Industrial - I have perfected my setup, I don't know of any other ways to minimize clutter on my interface yet make nine buttons (SHIFT, Q, E and 1,2,3,4,5) adress 50 buttonslots`
`18:18.23`	qw`	`And all with maximum three keypresses`
`18:18.47`	`Industrial`	`you could learn lua and make your own? >_>`
`18:18.58`	qw`	`I -am- considering it :P`
`18:20.31`	`seebs`	`It's a very interesting layout. You probably save more on physical locality than the extra presses cost.`
`18:21.07`	`Mikma`	`Industrial: nice lines O_O`
`18:21.33`	`Industrial`	`Mikma: yeah doesnt work yet`
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`18:28.20`	`Flaska`	`(Uptime: 5h 24m 19s)`
`18:28.27`	`Flaska`	`sorry`
`18:28.33`	`Flaska`	`I hate this irc x(`
`18:28.43`	`kaso`	`xchat is lovely`
`18:28.46`	`kaso`	`use that :>`
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`18:30.43`	`Scre3m`	`i use naim, naimdoc.net`
`18:30.57`	`Scre3m`	`its nice and discrete for work usage :)`
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`18:31.44`	`Corrodias`	`i don't know how to play this "new pandemic" game`
`18:32.37`	`kaso`	`The best message dialog ever: http://kasoo.net/img/imgs/haha.png`
`18:33.41`	`Flaska`	`eh?`
`18:33.42`	`Flaska`	`k`
`18:33.50`	`haste`	`Oni also pops that one under wine`
`18:34.03`	`Flaska`	`kaso what is that? =P`
`18:34.16`	`kaso`	`trying to get halo working under wine as haste said`
`18:34.23`	`kaso`	`i just love it, Error: Success!`
`18:34.40`	`haste`	`Try without sound enabled, that's what fixed Oni (and a Windows XP support patch)`
`18:35.08`	`Flaska`	`ahh =D I was searching for anything I could understand among the IDxDIAGContainerImp etc`
`18:35.20`	`kaso`	`ive got it working in fullscreen (at least the intro played) but im trying to get it working on Windowed mode`
`18:35.29`	`kaso`	`its moaning about my color depth`
`18:35.35`	`Flaska`	`what linux version?`
`18:35.41`	`Flaska`	`and what linux?`
`18:35.47`	`kaso`	`ubuntu edgy eft`
`18:35.54`	`Flaska`	`k`
`18:36.05`	`Corrodias`	`Mr_Rabies! HELP!`
`18:36.11`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`zsdcfbn`
`18:36.15`	`Flaska`	`I tried linux alot, but it just didn't work`
`18:36.18`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`wha`
`18:36.37`	`Flaska`	`slackware though`
`18:37.35`	`Corrodias`	`rabies, educate me`
`18:37.42`	`Corrodias`	`this pandemic game, very mysterious`
`18:37.53`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`hit the instructions butan`
`18:37.56`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`receev bacon`
`18:37.58`	`Corrodias`	`how are points earned? it does not explain!`
`18:38.12`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`more infected/dead`
`18:38.16`	`Corrodias`	`how much more`
`18:38.27`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`hit go a few times and you'll start racking up points`
`18:38.31`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`as the virus spreads`
`18:42.56`	`Corrodias`	`what is the "visibility" stat?`
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`18:43.12`	`Corrodias`	`you want to reduce the nonlethal symptoms so that people will pass it on, right?`
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`18:44.36`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`right`
`18:44.48`	`Corrodias`	`organ failure = good, sneezing = bad?`
`18:44.49`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`and you want to keep visibility low without hurting infectability`
`18:45.07`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`once every country has infected people`
`18:45.09`	`Corrodias`	`here's speculation:`
`18:45.16`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`then pile on the lethality`
`18:45.24`	`Corrodias`	`if you have Airborne, then is Sneezing a good thing to have?`
`18:45.33`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i'm thinking so, not sure really`
`18:45.46`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`all i know is immune system and anticoagulant seem to help decently`
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`18:46.58`	`Flaska`	`haha what are you guys talking about?`
`18:47.16`	`Corrodias`	`http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/360724`
`18:47.45`	`Loxara`	`I have a macro question if anyone can help me out. Is this the right place to ask such questions?`
`18:48.00`	`TC_Working`	`sometimes`
`18:48.07`	`Loxara`	`Well, I was wondering if something like this is possible. I know this code is broken, but you get the idea`
`18:48.31`	`Loxara`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:48.31`	`Loxara`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:48.31`	`Loxara`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:48.59`	`Loxara`	`i.e. based on my toons health/mana cast a spell`
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`18:49.13`	`sysraeg`	`intelligent casting is impossible`
`18:49.39`	`Loxara`	`even in script?`
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`18:50.27`	`Corrodias`	`depends on how intelligent you're talking, here`
`18:50.49`	`Corrodias`	`but based on how much mana you have, no.`
`18:50.54`	`Flaska`	`mr rabies are you the author of pandemic? =)`
`18:50.56`	`Corrodias`	`er, yes. impossible.`
`18:51.02`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`nonono`
`18:51.06`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i just linked it a while back`
`18:51.08`	`Corrodias`	`why do people keep asking if we're the authors of things? >_<`
`18:51.20`	`Loxara`	`lol`
`18:51.22`	`TC_Working`	`beacuse you ppl are`
`18:51.25`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i'm far too lazy and far too unskilled at programming to write anything worth using`
`18:52.16`	`Flaska`	`how do I play it?`
`18:52.23`	`Flaska`	`what do I need to click?`
`18:54.01`	`Flaska`	`just "go" until I get a new "talent point" or? =)`
`18:54.29`	`Corrodias`	`read instructions and then... yeah, you need to "go" until you get a few points to spend on new uh talents`
`18:55.18`	`Corrodias`	`aw, they shut down public transit on me`
`18:57.46`	`Flaska`	`what is moisture lol`
`18:58.25`	`Corrodias`	`water, in any form`
`18:58.36`	`Corrodias`	`well, liquid or gas, anyway`
`19:01.04`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`public transit is only a minor nuisance`
`19:01.13`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`the airports`
`19:01.13`	`Flaska`	`over 50% of human population dead xD`
`19:01.27`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`that's where the real cross coutnry stuff happens`
`19:01.43`	`Corrodias`	`i saw a green flash on an airport, but no indication of a change`
`19:01.48`	`Corrodias`	`what does it mean, i mean?`
`19:01.57`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`means they came from that airport`
`19:02.00`	`*** part/#wowi-lounge Loxara (n=Loxara@207.250.72.2)`
`19:02.03`	`Corrodias`	`ooh`
`19:02.05`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`and the red flash is where they went`
`19:02.30`	`Flaska`	`hey btw, when does it end?`
`19:02.37`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`when everyone dies`
`19:02.38`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`:p`
`19:02.43`	`Corrodias`	`or at 200 days`
`19:02.48`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`that too`
`19:02.50`	`Flaska`	`ah nevermind`
`19:03.05`	`Flaska`	`6 k score first try`
`19:03.07`	`Flaska`	`=)`
`19:04.19`	qw`	`seebs - my parents came on a ninjavisit. Any idea if a current barmod is able to do this or do I have to start reading on the hell that is LUA?`
`19:05.06`	qw`	`and if I have to, where can I read the speccs on the language?`
`19:05.07`	`seebs`	`I don't know of any current mods that could do it.`
`19:05.26`	`seebs`	`FWIW, lua is an excellent scripting language; the hard part is Blizzard's sorta hacked together UI. Lua is fine.`
`19:05.33`	`seebs`	`www.lua.org`
`19:05.43`	`Flaska`	`lua is not fine =P`
`19:05.44`	`seebs`	`Can you program in any other languages?`
`19:05.56`	qw`	`Yeah, I'm an enterprise java programmer and fluent in C/C++`
`19:06.03`	`seebs`	`You should have no trouble with it.`
`19:06.16`	`seebs`	`It's a small scripting language with fairly flexible data types.`
`19:06.43`	qw`	`what about API documentation and IDE integration?`
`19:06.47`	`seebs`	`Blizzard doesn't help you much on namespace, what with frames being global and so on, so there's a real need to be wary of namespace pollution, but it's not too bad.`
`19:06.56`	`seebs`	`See wowwiki.com. I have no idea about any IDEs. I never use them.`
`19:07.09`	`Wobin`	`Flaska: If you don't like the language, don't use it =P`
`19:07.19`	`seebs`	`Addon development was what motivated me to get WoW running under Wine so I could use native development tools.`
`19:07.20`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge bleetah (n=Bleeter@guifications/developer/bleeter)`
`19:07.29`	`seebs`	`"vi AnnoyRP.lua; make install"`
`19:07.56`	qw`	`:D but does VI support lua code highlighting?`
`19:08.01`	`Flaska`	`Wobin: I don't dislike the language, I just say it could be better =P`
`19:08.11`	`Wobin`	`more like php?`
`19:08.14`	`Wobin`	`yuck`
`19:08.29`	`Wobin`	`I just say you don't know the language well enough`
`19:08.46`	`sysraeg`	`saying yuck about php is the same thing`
`19:08.58`	`Wobin`	`alright, I'll give you that`
`19:09.02`	`Wobin`	`to a certain point`
`19:09.06`	qw`	`does WoW support Lua 5.1 or does it use an older version?`
`19:09.09`	`Wobin`	`I've used php extensively`
`19:09.12`	`Wobin`	`5.1`
`19:09.16`	`Wobin`	`and I still don't like it`
`19:09.36`	`Wobin`	`But I find lua quite elegant in some usage`
`19:09.44`	`Wobin`	`and downright nifty in others`
`19:10.11`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge amro (n=amro@82.101.184.163)`
`19:10.13`	`seebs`	`WoW switched to 5.1 recently.`
`19:10.20`	`Wobin`	`so to have someone new to lua, take a short look at it on the surface and dismiss it, I find ... uncalled for =P`
`19:10.27`	`seebs`	`The version of vi I use has no code highlighting at all, thank God.`
`19:10.43`	qw`	`smooth.. Hm, I guess I'll have to check this out. Where would you recommend me start reading to get a good foundation and hack something together in a short amount of time?`
`19:10.44`	`seebs`	`I want code highlighting nearly as much as I want a text editor that puts prepositions in green.`
`19:11.02`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Kirov (n=Kirov@204.155.78.140)`
`19:11.23`	`seebs`	`For an experienced programmer? Grab some existing mods and read them. I recommend WoWI, rather than Curse or UI.WoW, for that; for whatever reason, WoWI seems to have a better idiot filter.`
`19:11.52`	`Wobin`	`For a good foundation, read Programming in Lua`
`19:12.01`	`Wobin`	`http://www.lua.org/pil/`
`19:12.07`	`amro`	`PIL is a must read`
`19:12.34`	`amro`	`it covers lua in general and you will learn a lot more about how it works than by reading code`
`19:12.49`	`Wobin`	`If you can say you've understood 60% of PIL, I'll give you leave to say whether LUA is a crappy language or not =P`
`19:13.27`	qw`	`:P Ok, I'll start by reading some code now since I don't have PIL. I guess there's some sort of API geared towards WoW?`
`19:13.27`	`seebs`	`Good point; actually reading the language manual always helps. :)`
`19:13.49`	`Flaska`	`aww =( Shouldn't have done that... speced necrosis before the virus was spread`
`19:14.13`	qw`	`And I guess the reference manual will have to do in the meantime :P`
`19:15.06`	`Flaska`	`OK, Im gonna give it a try... How long does it take to read the basic part of lua manual? =P`
`19:15.21`	`Wobin`	qw`: The best reference for the WoW API is on wowwiki.com
`19:15.35`	`Wobin`	`Flaska: It depends on how well grounded in programming basics you are`
`19:16.22`	`Wobin`	`Since you know php...`
`19:16.23`	`seebs`	`qw: PIL is a web page.`
`19:16.38`	`seebs`	`And yes, wowwiki covers a great deal of the information about the Blizzard API.`
`19:16.39`	`Wobin`	`I'd say, .. read up on Tables`
`19:16.56`	`Wobin`	`and hit the book around chapter 5 or so`
`19:16.58`	`Flaska`	`tables seems to be pretty the same as php in syntax`
`19:17.19`	`Wobin`	`maybe, but not in usage`
`19:17.19`	`Flaska`	`pretty much*`
`19:17.19`	`Flaska`	`k`
`19:17.23`	`seebs`	`Hey, this may be a dumb question: Is there either a built-in UI feature, or an addon, that gives tooltips a slight delay? Even a tenth of a second would be great.`
`19:18.05`	`seebs`	`I was looking in interface options, but didn't see anything.`
`19:18.27`	qw`	`seebs - only the first edition is available online afaik`
`19:19.15`	`Flaska`	`I thought no delay functions were available in lua and macros?`
`19:19.19`	`seebs`	`The www.lua.org/pil is probably good enough.`
`19:19.49`	`seebs`	`Well, it's certainly possible to implement a delay, if you really want; it's just that I'm almost convinced there used to be an option to have standard game tooltips for items delayed a tiny bit.`
`19:20.12`	`seebs`	`The problem is that dragging the mouse across the bank is maddeningly flickery. I'd love to get tooltips that only show up a frame or two after I mouse over something.`
`19:20.16`	`Corrodias`	`well, you can make a "busy wait" delay`
`19:20.37`	`seebs`	`I think that's what Khaos does for its "/in 3 ..." stuff.`
`19:21.01`	`Flaska`	`doesent work`
`19:21.03`	`Flaska`	`for me`
`19:21.12`	`Flaska`	`the /in x /cast y stuff`
`19:21.36`	`Corrodias`	`now how is it going to spread to Western Europe, i wonder?`
`19:21.54`	`seebs`	`I don't think it works for /cast.`
`19:22.07`	`seebs`	`But I don't care about any in-game events; I just want to have a delay before tips appear.`
`19:22.44`	qw`	`also where in the technology stack does ACE enter the picture? I've seen alot of people talking about ACE as a programmers toolkit, but does it replace anything or just give you a set of tools?`
`19:22.51`	`amro`	`simply setting a delay might not work because the tooltip might still show up after the mouse leaves`
`19:23.33`	`amro`	qw`: its a set of libraries that perform common actions such as saved variables events etc
`19:24.10`	qw`	`all right, thanks :P`
`19:24.33`	`Corrodias`	`80,000 people without an airport or anything, damnit`
`19:25.15`	`seebs`	`And I'm pretty sure there used to be a setting for this. Hmm.`
`19:25.19`	`Corrodias`	`an airport just had a green flash but no corresponding red flash`
`19:25.37`	qw`	`Oh seebs, was it you that mentioned that WoW 2.x might not let me change keybindings during combat?`
`19:25.46`	qw`	`and something about secure header?`
`19:25.58`	`seebs`	`Yeah.`
`19:26.12`	qw`	`I just need to know that what I'm trying to do is technically possible so that I don't waste alot of perfectly usable time`
`19:26.30`	`seebs`	`In 1.x, there were addons that would do things like "every time you hit this button, the most useful thing is done". 2.x restricts the amount of intelligent logic you can have in a button during combat.`
`19:26.51`	qw`	`Ah must've made alot of people angry and alot of people happy`
`19:26.54`	`seebs`	`Yeah.`
`19:27.08`	`seebs`	`Bongos can have keys bound to buttons, and then change which actions are on the buttons in response to a stance shift.`
`19:27.27`	`bleetah`	`anyone here running under linux and experienced a situation where only auto-attack works, trying any other spell on a mob results in 'friendly target' errors, and the only 'chat' key that works is '/' ? (or hell, even has anyone seen this kinda of weirdness on Win32/MacOS).`
`19:27.35`	qw`	`But can it be triggered by a keypress?`
`19:27.40`	`seebs`	`So, you might have to do something where, say, your 1-5 keys are bound to a single set of 5 buttons, and ctrl-1 through ctrl-5 change the icons on the buttons, not which buttons you get, but... It should work.`
`19:27.46`	`seebs`	`I can't say it definitely can, but it seems likely.`
`19:28.10`	`seebs`	`Bleetah: No, that sounds very odd. The closest I've seen is weirdness when mind-controlled by satyrs in felwood.`
`19:28.28`	qw`	`hmm flakey. And I need the buttons on five bars to change on one keypress`
`19:29.32`	`bleetah`	`seebs: I could almost live with it, except auto-attack works and anything else gives 'friendly target' errors. that bit just freaks me out too much to be ignored`
`19:29.32`	`seebs`	`Well, Bongos can change the buttons on multiple bars from a single stance change.`
`19:29.32`	`seebs`	`That's really odd. Survives logout?`
`19:29.33`	`bleetah`	`sometimes`
`19:29.33`	`seebs`	`I just haven't seen bars changed based on a keypress. I ASSUME it's possible, but I haven't seen it done.`
`19:30.32`	`bleetah`	`and to top it off, it's happened when no mods are running, too... so I'm figuring it's not necessarily a mod (although, i guess, it could be some freaky SV hanging around)`
`19:31.01`	`bleetah`	`probably something freaky inside wine, as it happens in d3d and openGL`
`19:31.25`	`bleetah`	`interestingly, when it happens in D3D, if I move at all, I end up with a black screen... OpenGL seems to keep on moving`
`19:32.00`	qw`	`seebs - ok let's say that works, do you think it's possible to hit SHIFT+1 and get buttons [1][2][3][4][5] to be bound to that bars slot 1,2,3,4 and 5, and if I press SHIFT+2 the bindings change to bar #2?`
`19:32.16`	`bleetah`	`no doubt something buried inside wine, then, but if anyone can recall seeing similar behaviour when playing native... it'd be great if you can let me know. may help tracking this down.`
`19:33.26`	`seebs`	`That, I'm not so sure about. That's what i'm saying about thinking you may have to have shift-1 change which buttons are on a single bar, rather than having it change focus.`
`19:33.27`	`seebs`	`So, instead of having 1 change from {Bar 1, Button 1} to {Bar 2, Button 1}, you might have to change which actions is on {Bar 1, Button 1}.`
`19:33.27`	qw`	`Oh but that removes 4 / 5 of my buttons`
`19:33.29`	`seebs`	`No, it doesn't.`
`19:33.41`	`seebs`	`It just changes the way they look onscreen.`
`19:34.04`	`seebs`	`It's logically interchangeable, in terms of number of buttons and how many keystrokes it takes to activate a specific one.`
`19:34.30`	`seebs`	`It just means that the "live" bar is always in the same place, rather than being a different bar on screen depending on which shift-number you've hit most recently.`
`19:34.31`	qw`	`But wouldn't this defeat the purpose of limiting application logic?`
`19:35.01`	`seebs`	`Nope.`
`19:35.14`	`seebs`	`The key thing is that it's driven by you, not by an addon.`
`19:35.23`	qw`	`Ah I see`
`19:35.57`	`seebs`	`A button which changes from remove curse to cure disease depending on circumstances, or targets "the first party member who is cursed", is not okay, and probably not possible.`
`19:36.08`	`seebs`	`A button that changes based on what keys you press is harmless.`
`19:37.18`	qw`	`But I don't think your setup will make the full potential of my setup come out. Because I need to be able to hit Q and have five sets of pages show, then change focus between the bars with SHIFT+[1-5] and hit [1 - 5] to target the different buttons on each bar. When I then hit 'E' all the bars change to a different page, but I'm still supposed to be able to address bar #2 button 4 with SHIFT +2, 4`
`19:37.56`	`seebs`	`Hmm.`
`19:38.12`	qw`	`It's kind of three dimensional`
`19:38.17`	`seebs`	`I am not sure about that last bit; it's the second layer of toggling that's tricky.`
`19:38.21`	`Corrodias`	`more like your mom dimensional`
`19:38.57`	qw`	`If I just wanted to change one bars pages I could just add five pages to the mainbar and be done with it`
`19:39.13`	`seebs`	`Yeah. Well, I'm not sure. You might try in the UI&Macros forum, it's an interesting question.`
`19:39.52`	qw`	`I can't play without this setup :P`
`19:40.02`	qw`	`my warrior is finely tuned`
`19:40.42`	qw`	`It's awesome to not have to use the mouse for anything else than targeting / moving and misc operations and have all the important stuff handled by one hand`
`19:40.46`	`Corrodias`	`you haven't played since 2.0?`
`19:40.51`	qw`	`nope`
`19:41.02`	qw`	`I haven't played in five months`
`19:41.12`	`seebs`	`I have to say, it's a really neat idea. I may have to steal it.`
`19:41.32`	qw`	`I would love you to steal it since then you'd have to make it work :-)`
`19:41.36`	`seebs`	`Hey, I have a thought.`
`19:41.46`	`bleetah`	`:o intellectual property violation in #wowi! flee! flee! ;) j/k`
`19:41.53`	`seebs`	`Are Q and E stance related, or anything?`
`19:41.57`	`Corrodias`	`interesting ideas`
`19:42.06`	qw`	`nope`
`19:42.12`	`seebs`	`Hmm.`
`19:42.21`	`Corrodias`	`i make do with the standard UI for the action bars, binding numbers, shift+numbers, control+numbers, and control+letters to different bars :/`
`19:42.23`	qw`	`I use the same setup for my mage and for my paladin`
`19:42.24`	`Corrodias`	`i don't have enough buttons`
`19:42.26`	`seebs`	`What about setting one set to shift+N, and the other set control+N?`
`19:42.37`	qw`	`ah there comes the second layer of my setup`
`19:42.41`	`Corrodias`	`N is way the hell over here, seebs, not by Q and E`
`19:42.52`	qw`	`I have ALT+[1 - 4] bound to "emergency" slots on a different bar`
`19:42.52`	`seebs`	`Not "N", but "control+1" vs. "shift+1".`
`19:43.07`	qw`	`so they're always accesible no matter what "layer" I'm on in the shifting bars`
`19:43.13`	qw`	`and same with CTRL+[1-4]`
`19:43.21`	`seebs`	`So I was thinking maybe "control+1" == "E, shift+1", and "shift+1" == "Q, shift+1".`
`19:43.30`	`seebs`	`Ahh. That would kill that one.`
`19:43.39`	qw`	`Those are lifesavers`
`19:44.05`	`seebs`	`Yeah, I did something sort of similar; I have a set of 6 panic buttons bound to ctrl+{QWEASD}`
`19:44.06`	qw`	`ALT+1 is really fast to hit so I always put the best one there, like ice barrier or something`
`19:44.25`	`Corrodias`	`panic buttons...`
`19:44.41`	`Corrodias`	`i just keep my cool.`
`19:44.44`	`Corrodias`	`i'm cool that way.`
`19:44.46`	`seebs`	`Heh.`
`19:44.52`	`seebs`	`Mostly, "buttons I don't want to have to look for".`
`19:44.55`	qw`	`I'm a former quaker, I have to have all my stuff done with the keyboard, and I need to do it fast :P`
`19:46.15`	`seebs`	`Heh.`
`19:46.45`	`seebs`	`I'm actually a sort of active quaker, which doubtless surprises people occasionally.`
`19:47.03`	`seebs`	`I think it definitely influences my preferences in UI implementation.`
`19:47.09`	`Kirov`	`I play quake3 at work from time to time.`
`19:47.16`	`Kirov`	`against co-workers`
`19:47.41`	`seebs`	`<-- was not talking about the video game quake.`
`19:48.03`	`Kirov`	`seebs - you eat quaker oats?`
`19:48.11`	qw`	`seebs - http://home.no.net/mflister/wow/interface.jpg`
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`19:48.44`	`Corrodias`	`you guys would just HATE my interface`
`19:48.51`	`Corrodias`	`it looks too default and it's very crowded`
`19:49.08`	`Malivil`	`I can see why you like it >.>`
`19:49.37`	qw`	`that's the old old version of my interface, but it shows the five bars I change around and the CTRL+[1-4] and ALT+[1-4] buttons to the left`
`19:49.54`	`Kirov`	`My interface isn't that far from default apart from using bartender and fubar`
`19:50.04`	`seebs`	`Kirov: Well, sometimes, but it's unrelated. :P`
`19:50.07`	`Kirov`	`but I have a lot of background functionality`
`19:50.23`	`Malivil`	`Only thing default in my interface is the minimap`
`19:50.31`	`Malivil`	`and bags, but access to the bags isn't default`
`19:50.33`	`seebs`	`But for instance, I wrote a mail client for WoW (still debugging) that has no GUI at all. Just "/sm get expired" or the like.`
`19:52.30`	`seebs`	`I'm using vBagnon, because it's much simpler than the regular bags.`
`19:52.37`	qw`	`you should try out Sanity`
`19:52.53`	`Kirov`	`I have mixed feelings about Sanity`
`19:52.56`	qw`	`it's like an orgasm in bag form`
`19:53.16`	`Kirov`	`I love it's functionality, but I find Possesions is just as useful with out the ugly interface.`
`19:53.30`	`Kirov`	`I may someday replace my bags with a bag mod.`
`19:53.36`	qw`	`The new Sanity or the old sanity?`
`19:53.43`	`Kirov`	`I have my current bags fairly well organized though.`
`19:53.46`	`Antiarc\|Work`	`What do you find ugly about it, out of curiosity? I'm always looking for ways to make it better.`
`19:53.50`	`seebs`	`Wow. Sanity does look a lot less annoying than the standard UI.`
`19:54.32`	`Antiarc\|Work`	qw`: http://img153.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sanitybags23fh.jpg ;)
`19:54.34`	`Kirov`	`qw - I was one of the first Sanity users back in the day. I tried Sanity 2.0 when it showed up, but by that time I'd already converted over to Possestions.`
`19:55.01`	qw`	`Antiarc\|Work - hey sweet you made a EngBagish thing for it?`
`19:55.27`	qw`	`what is this Possesions? I have to take a look at it`
`19:55.31`	`Antiarc\|Work`	`Working on it. Works off of the Sanity backend, create any number of bags, put things in bags with text filters, as you see at the bottom of some of the bags.`
`19:56.05`	qw`	`Sweet, when you're done with that, would you like to hear out this great idea I have for a bar mod?`
`19:56.24`	`seebs`	`Gotta go, the spouse and roomie want food, and I'm going with them.`
`19:56.36`	`Antiarc\|Work`	`Heh, sure, but I dunno if I want to do a bar mod :)`
`19:56.39`	qw`	`thanks foryour help seebs`
`19:56.43`	`seebs`	`No problem.`
`19:57.04`	`seebs`	`Antiarc, I'm gonna try out Sanity. I have a DESPERATE need for bag sorting for my guild banker.`
`19:57.11`	`seebs`	`Will let you know how it works out.`
`19:57.13`	`Antiarc\|Work`	`seebs: Guild banking is why I wrote it, actually.`
`19:57.22`	`Antiarc\|Work`	`I was going insane trying to manage mine ;)`
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`19:58.32`	qw`	`Possessions looks alot like Sanity, but Sanity looks a ton better and I think I like some of the functionality you added`
`19:59.09`	`nomenquis`	`did you ever try arkinventory?`
`19:59.40`	`Antiarc\|Work`	`I tried Ark, but it annoyed me to a degree.`
`19:59.49`	`Antiarc\|Work`	`Felt like it was thinking for me, and overriding that was a chore.`
`20:00.02`	`nomenquis`	`the only thing that really sucks imo is that it does not auto stack stuff`
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`20:00.40`	qw`	`It looks like EngInv from the brief glance I'm having now`
`20:01.40`	`seebs`	`I think I tried Ark, but I didn't like it. I don't remember why; I'm a very fussy player.`
`20:01.43`	`seebs`	`Anyway, have fun all!`
`20:02.06`	`Corrodias`	`what are these bag managers of which you speak?`
`20:02.15`	`Corrodias`	`i've never really examined them`
`20:03.01`	qw`	`EngInventory is discontinued, but it looked alot like ArkInventory`
`20:03.23`	`Antiarc\|Work`	`My only complaint with Eng is that it sucks RAM like nobody's business`
`20:04.42`	qw`	`I will have to write down my concept of a barmod and see if someone with a bit more experience than I have can say if it's technically possible`
`20:05.20`	`nomenquis`	`seebs, if you just want sorting then try mrplow :)`
`20:05.31`	`Antiarc\|Work`	`For what it's worth, you won't be able to change button positions, or the spell attached to a button in combat without an associated stance change.`
`20:06.00`	`nomenquis`	`antiarc, 'compression coming back soon', i assume it's not implemented / active in the current version?`
`20:06.13`	`Antiarc\|Work`	`nomenquis: It's in - grab the version from wowace.com/files/Sanity2`
`20:06.20`	`Antiarc\|Work`	`I have been lax about updating wowi`
`20:06.42`	`nomenquis`	`ace? nice, starting the ace updater then :)`
`20:09.17`	`Flaska`	`what is io.read? too laze to search it up... Can I use it in addons?`
`20:09.24`	`Flaska`	`lazy`
`20:09.54`	`bleetah`	`Flaska: operating system call, can't use it in WoW`
`20:10.07`	`Flaska`	`k =)`
`20:10.10`	`bleetah`	`filesystem call, really.. but you get the idea I guess :)`
`20:10.15`	qw`	`Antiarc\|Work - ah.. What about auras?`
`20:10.29`	qw`	`Is that considered a stance`
`20:10.32`	qw`	`?`
`20:10.32`	`Antiarc\|Work`	`No.`
`20:10.44`	`Antiarc\|Work`	`Warrior stances, druid forms, and rogue stealth/unstealth are stances.`
`20:10.46`	qw`	`someone mentioned a secure header?`
`20:10.46`	`nomenquis`	`antiarc, i know i'm a slacker, but are there predefined categories for stuff in sanity?`
`20:11.00`	`Antiarc\|Work`	`nomenquis: Yeah, the stuff that Blizzard categorizes things as.`
`20:11.20`	`nomenquis`	`strange, i have no categories listed at all`
`20:11.29`	`Flaska`	`eh`
`20:11.31`	`Antiarc\|Work`	`nomenquis: Click the "cat" header to sort by category.`
`20:11.36`	`Antiarc\|Work`	`It's in alpha sort at the moment.`
`20:11.57`	`Antiarc\|Work`	qw`: Yes, you have to build in bars to be driven by a secure header, which allows bar changes on stance changes, but you can't do bar changes without a stance change.
`20:12.00`	`nomenquis`	`hmm, sorting works. but what is the categories/tags box for at the left side then?`
`20:12.03`	`Flaska`	`I don't understand this: "y.x = z" ... Can variable name's have dots in it?`
`20:12.20`	`Antiarc\|Work`	`Custom tags/categories - I'm omitting the defaults at the moment.`
`20:12.30`	`Antiarc\|Work`	`Flaska: "y" is a table, and "x" is an index on the table.`
`20:12.41`	qw`	`Antiarc\|Work - All right, then I'm properly screwed =/`
`20:12.59`	`Flaska`	`so, x.y is the same as x["y"] ?`
`20:13.04`	`foxlit`	`yes`
`20:13.04`	`Cide`	`yes`
`20:13.04`	`Antiarc\|Work`	`y = {}, y[x] = "123", print(y.x) = "123", y.x = "456", print(y.x) = "456", print(y["x"]) = "456"`
`20:13.08`	`nomenquis`	`i'd love to create a new category by selecting one or more blizzard categories, is this possible somehow?`
`20:13.10`	`Flaska`	`ok =P`
`20:13.25`	`foxlit`	`Antiarc: no?`
`20:13.33`	`Flaska`	`strange syntax, but very handy =D`
`20:13.33`	`Antiarc\|Work`	`nomenquis: Internally, yes, but I don't have the GUI set up to do it.`
`20:13.42`	`Antiarc\|Work`	`Flaska: That won't parse, but it demonstrates how it works.`
`20:13.47`	`Antiarc\|Work`	`Consider it pseudocode.`
`20:13.50`	`foxlit`	`x=500; y[x] = "123"; y[500] == "123", not y["x"] == "123"`
`20:14.01`	`Antiarc\|Work`	`Yeah, I missed a quote there. :)`
`20:14.10`	`Antiarc\|Work`	`y["x"], not y[x].`
`20:14.25`	`Antiarc\|Work`	`I got it right later on in the string though! grin`
`20:14.36`	`nomenquis`	`too bad, this is something i really miss`
`20:15.20`	`Antiarc\|Work`	`I'm going to see about aliasing categories before too long, but it's been low on the priority list.`
`20:16.22`	`Flaska`	`is nil the same as null (in php) ?`
`20:16.39`	`Antiarc\|Work`	`Same idea, different implementation, I believe.`
`20:16.44`	`Flaska`	`k`
`20:17.01`	`Flaska`	`because in php: null=false=0`
`20:17.09`	`nomenquis`	`another ui suggestion. the categories/tags listbox at the left side, can you make it multiselectable and then only display whats selected there, but without entering something into the search field? its imo more intuitive (i tried to do it a lot of times now) to 'deselect' the category where you selected it instead of pressing clear`
`20:17.09`	`Flaska`	`or what?`
`20:17.48`	`Antiarc\|Work`	`In php, (null == false) is true, as is (null == 0). In Lua, nil ~= false, and nil ~= 0.`
`20:18.04`	`Flaska`	`eh`
`20:18.06`	`Flaska`	`~= ??`
`20:18.20`	`Flaska`	`=P`
`20:18.20`	`Antiarc\|Work`	`~= is "not equals"`
`20:18.22`	`purl`	`Antiarc\|Work: what are you talking about?`
`20:18.22`	`Antiarc\|Work`	`!=, <>, whatever :P`
`20:18.22`	`Flaska`	`k`
`20:18.31`	`Antiarc\|Work`	`Hahah, sorry purl.`
`20:18.32`	`Antiarc\|Work`	`~botsnack`
`20:18.33`	`purl`	`Antiarc\|Work: :)`
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`20:18.36`	`Flaska`	so I can use ~=, != and <>`?
`20:18.43`	`Antiarc\|Work`	`No, just ~=`
`20:18.48`	`Flaska`	`k =O`
`20:18.49`	`Flaska`	`scary`
`20:18.57`	`Antiarc\|Work`	`But it's != in C derivatives, and <> in VB, etc etc :)`
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`20:19.16`	`foxlit`	`Can always do not (x == y)`
`20:19.16`	`Antiarc\|Work`	`nomenquis: I'll look into doing that. Certainly does make more sense to do it that way. ;)`
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`20:21.15`	`Corrodias`	`wowinterface has kind of a strange search system`
`20:21.25`	`Corrodias`	`results seem to be sorted by whatever the hell it feels like`
`20:21.28`	`kergoth`	`s/strange/bad/ :P`
`20:21.32`	`Antiarc\|Work`	`foxlit: I prefer "((x == y) == false) == true" ;)`
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`20:25.21`	`Flaska`	`eh`
`20:25.49`	`Flaska`	`that look... wierd?`
`20:25.49`	`Flaska`	`s*'`
`20:26.53`	`Flaska`	`haha, hard to understand by just looking at it =D`
`20:27.35`	`Flaska`	`(x~=y) is 19 characters less =)`
`20:27.47`	`Antiarc\|Work`	`I was being obtuse :D`
`20:27.55`	`Flaska`	`ok =P`
`20:30.02`	`Flaska`	`LOL, this is totally screwed`
`20:30.04`	`Flaska`	`http://www.lua.org/pil/3.6.html at list`
`20:30.11`	`foxlit`	`Hm, someone should write a universal addon manager.`
`20:30.19`	`Flaska`	`ctrl f for polyline`
`20:31.50`	`Flaska`	`I won't even try to understand that`
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`20:42.51`	`Corrodias`	`foxlit: to manage them in what way?`
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`20:43.54`	`bleetah`	`foxlit: I've got something like that at the moment.. problem is it's current dependancies are bash, wget, grep, sed and a *nix-like filesystem`
`20:44.46`	`bleetah`	`will soon be migrating it to.. probably qt4. although I'd prefer gtk, the MacOS implementation isn't complete enough yet`
`20:51.36`	`bleetah`	`oh, and svn and find.. but.. you get the idea`
`20:59.52`	`Gungineer`	`hi flks`
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`21:00.06`	`Gungineer`	`does anyone here use OneBank?`
`21:00.17`	`nomenquis`	`i did`
`21:00.22`	`Gungineer`	`past tense?`
`21:00.28`	`nomenquis`	`yep`
`21:00.30`	`Corrodias`	`future tense.`
`21:01.08`	`Gungineer`	`ok.. well i cant get my OneBank to see my 7th bank slot.. is there a fix for this or shall i get a diff mod?`
`21:01.22`	`nomenquis`	`worked fine for me`
`21:01.29`	`Gungineer`	`link?`
`21:01.30`	`nomenquis`	`thats all i can tell you :)`
`21:01.41`	`Gungineer`	`where you got it?`
`21:01.55`	`nomenquis`	`used the latest version available via the ace updater`
`21:02.10`	`Gungineer`	`danke`
`21:05.16`	`Gungineer`	`however i dont use ace :(`
`21:05.26`	`Gungineer`	`thnx o//`
`21:07.03`	`Kirov`	`If you use OneBank you use Ace`
`21:07.33`	`Corrodias`	`Ace2?`
`21:07.56`	`Kirov`	`Gungineer - Ace Updater just gets the latest files from here If you want`
`21:07.58`	`Industrial`	`Is this ugly? http://tinyurl.com/2wfxq5`
`21:08.06`	`Kirov`	`files.wowace.com`
`21:08.46`	qw`	`Ok I wrote together my proposal for a bar system. Maybe one of you tech savvy guys can figure out if this is possible under WoW 2.x: http://home.nith.no/~flimat/qbar/QBar-proposal.htm`
`21:09.06`	`Cide`	`use ctscreens instead of imageshack!`
`21:09.07`	`Cide`	`that takes like 30 seconds to load`
`21:09.33`	`Kirov`	`Cide - that's only because you don't live in a real country!`
`21:09.42`	`Cide`	`that's true`
`21:09.43`	`Kirov`	`;)`
`21:09.48`	`Cide`	`Sweden has announced its intention to be the first nation to have an embassy in Second Life, Reuters reports.`
`21:09.55`	`Cide`	`The virtual consulate - based on the country's new embassy in Washington - will be rather brilliantly known as the "House of Sweden". Olle Wastberg, general director of the Swedish Institute, explained: "It will have answers to questions on all aspects of Sweden."`
`21:10.25`	`Industrial`	qw`: remap capslock to be a second ctrl - if you have dinows i have a litle exe that can do this, or a registry change tutorial..., cause the capslock is only good for enetering cdkeys anyway
`21:10.31`	`Industrial`	qw`: just an idea :D
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`21:12.16`	qw`	`Hmm that would enable me to use 2 x 5 x 5 buttons and still have ALT and CTRL free for emergency buttons`
`21:12.41`	qw`	`But my idea is not technically possible in WoW 2.x?`
`21:14.50`	`Industrial`	`if the number of buttons you use max is 50 then yes its possible, (they are action ids and you have 120 of them)`
`21:15.19`	qw`	`It's the keybindings and the displaying of the buttons that are the problem`
`21:15.38`	qw`	`I need the keybindings to be dynamic so that I can assign a group of them to a bar / buttonbar or whatever you would call it`
`21:15.59`	`Kirov`	`dynamic?`
`21:16.01`	qw`	`you get what I need to do from that document I hope, I didn't manage to articulate myself more clearly`
`21:16.11`	`Industrial`	`yeah i do`
`21:16.19`	qw`	`Kirov - http://home.nith.no/~flimat/qbar/QBar-proposal.htm`
`21:16.34`	qw`	`so it IS possible?`
`21:16.34`	`Industrial`	`problem is i have failed at making my bars swap with 2.0 just today :D`
`21:17.07`	qw`	`Someone mentioned only thing that will trigger a pageswap is stanceshifting`
`21:17.25`	`Kirov`	`That would be possible.`
`21:17.31`	`Industrial`	`no, also modifiers`
`21:17.37`	`Industrial`	`shift ctrl alt etc`
`21:17.49`	`Kirov`	`Hideously complex, but possible.`
`21:18.03`	qw`	`What would be the attack vector Kirov?`
`21:19.00`	`Kirov`	`Question one. If you press shift + 1, 5, 3 does it cast the 5 then 3 actions on bar one?`
`21:19.16`	qw`	`yes`
`21:19.26`	`Kirov`	`Ok, here's the plan of attack then.`
`21:19.43`	`Kirov`	`Your visible buttons and keybound buttons are NOT THE SAME`
`21:20.05`	qw`	`you also understand that I have two sets of bars that swap if I press either Q or E?`
`21:20.14`	qw`	`so that the entire bars change to another set`
`21:20.40`	`Kirov`	`Yeah, should also be possible.`
`21:20.42`	qw`	`but still being able to jump around in them with SHIFT+x and buttons 1 - 5`
`21:20.47`	`Kirov`	`that step makes it more complex`
`21:20.51`	`Industrial`	`yep`
`21:21.16`	qw`	`allright, please continue`
`21:21.45`	`Kirov`	`Basically swapping between bars using the shift keys isn't difficult, obviously`
`21:21.57`	`Kirov`	`(the basic UI does this)`
`21:22.23`	qw`	`yeah, it's when I want another bar collection it gets fishy`
`21:22.29`	`Kirov`	`The Q and E parts make it a lot harder because you basically have to make a tree of buttons.`
`21:24.09`	qw`	`I kind of visualize it in 3D`
`21:24.18`	`Kirov`	`I think if you wanted to do this with three keys instead of just the Q and E it would actually make it impossible.`
`21:24.39`	qw`	`like Q, E and R ?`
`21:24.43`	`Kirov`	`Yeah`
`21:24.54`	qw`	`why is that?`
`21:25.08`	`Kirov`	`Q and E work because you can have a faked on/off toggle setup to do this.`
`21:26.10`	qw`	`how would you go about the business of making the keybindings work on bar collection #1 and then work on bar collection #2 after I press E?`
`21:26.15`	`Kirov`	`Basically you have two buttons of 5. When you press E each one opens up a sub-button that steals it's parent's keybinding for a moment.`
`21:26.29`	`Kirov`	`Q would close these "menu"s`
`21:26.37`	`Kirov`	`E would do nothing`
`21:27.01`	`Kirov`	`Both sets of 5 buttons are setup using the basic bar swapping that exists already`
`21:27.22`	`Kirov`	`Visually, you'd have to have another set of buttons`
`21:27.52`	`Kirov`	`q and e would work the same way, opening a "sub menu" button over the existing one.`
`21:27.55`	qw`	`Is this a complex project for someone who's not written a line of LUA?`
`21:28.06`	qw`	`:-)`
`21:28.48`	`Kirov`	`This is a complex project for someone who _has_ written in Lua and understands wow's api`
`21:29.24`	qw`	`What about three dimensional array that has coordinates to each button location?`
`21:29.44`	qw`	`I'm not sure how that would help actually, but that's how I visualize it in my head`
`21:30.29`	`Kirov`	`The problem comes from the way secure action buttons and secure state handlers handle keybindings`
`21:30.41`	qw`	`You have X buttons on Y bars that are Z collections deep`
`21:31.02`	qw`	`ah`
`21:31.09`	qw`	`Yeah that part`
`21:32.27`	qw`	`hm I can offer unlimited use of a 10 / 20mbit hookup for this addon :P`
`21:36.04`	qw`	`But thanks alot for your help. I have saved the logfile and will decide if I want this so bad I teach myself LUA / WoW API`
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`21:37.11`	`Esteth`	`hey all`
`21:37.27`	`Esteth`	`im making a simple little addon as an extension to cartographer notes, as my first addon`
`21:37.57`	`Esteth`	`I've got ace 2.0, and my menu structure working and so on, but im not sure how id go about calling a function from cartographer from my addon`
`21:38.46`	`Corrodias`	`you just... make the function call`
`21:39.01`	`Corrodias`	`ensure you have Cartographer as a dependency and Cartographer's functions will be available`
`21:39.20`	`Corrodias`	`that is, your addon will be loaded after it`
`21:39.28`	`Esteth`	`ah. how do i make cartographer a dependency?`
`21:39.34`	`Flaska`	`Do I need to set a depency to use that addons functions?`
`21:39.39`	`Flaska`	`via the TOC`
`21:39.49`	`Corrodias`	`let me put it this way`
`21:39.51`	`Flaska`	`#Depencies: or something`
`21:40.17`	`Flaska`	`## Dependencies:`
`21:40.24`	`Corrodias`	`you don't, but if you try to call a function that hasn't been defined (that is, if you call a Cartographer-made function, but Cartographer hasn't been loaded yet), your addon's code will be halted by the Lua engine for having an error`
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`21:40.35`	`Flaska`	`It would look like this:`
`21:40.43`	`Flaska`	`## Dependencies: Cartographer`
`21:41.05`	`Flaska`	`in the YourAddon.toc`
`21:41.07`	`Esteth`	`okies, ill try that, and see if it works. i have to restart the client for TOC changes?`
`21:41.25`	`Flaska`	`yes`
`21:41.29`	`Flaska`	`I think so`
`21:41.43`	`Flaska`	`but not lua/xml changes`
`21:41.52`	`Flaska`	`then you can ./console reloadui`
`21:42.36`	`Esteth`	`hmm`
`21:42.46`	`Esteth`	`it doesnt crash, but it doesnt do anything`
`21:43.11`	`Esteth`	`well, it shows my menu structure thing, but it wont execute the function, or the function does nothing`
`21:44.07`	`Esteth`	`http://wowi.pastey.net/5719 is my LUA`
`21:44.16`	`Esteth`	`ah.`
`21:44.38`	`Esteth`	`fixed.`
`21:44.49`	`Esteth`	`(the pastey, not my addon)`
`21:46.11`	`Corrodias`	`you can't call a nil function`
`21:46.23`	`Corrodias`	`it will halt the script, saying it tried to reference something that is nil.`
`21:46.56`	`Esteth`	`im calling a nil function?`
`21:47.16`	`Cide`	`nil("hi") ? :)`
`21:47.57`	`Esteth`	`i cant see that :S`
`21:51.40`	`Esteth`	`well, the function gets called. so its down to these two lines: http://wowi.pastey.net/5722-2mh0`
`21:52.30`	`Corrodias`	`i mean`
`21:52.45`	`Corrodias`	`if i were just to write a lua script that contained the line... EatAtJoes();`
`21:52.53`	`Corrodias`	`there is no EatAtJoes and i haven't defined one myself. it's nil.`
`21:53.14`	`Corrodias`	`never mind that there's an Eat At Joe's addon. it hasn't been loaded yet, so the function doesn't exist.`
`21:53.31`	`Esteth`	`oh. so Cartographer or Cartographer notes havnt been loaded yet`
`21:53.41`	`Corrodias`	`it's possible`
`21:53.48`	`Corrodias`	`the only way you can be sure is to make it a dependency`
`21:54.20`	`Esteth`	`Cartographer is a dependancy. Cartographer Notes is a module inside the cartographer folder, so it should be part of cartographer`
`21:54.24`	`Corrodias`	`now, if your addon can function without cartographer, you want to make it an optional dependency. if it exists, it'll load before yours, but if it doesn't exist, yours will still load.`
`21:54.56`	`Corrodias`	`yeah, notes is within cartographer, although it has a separate addon for noteshare or whatever`
`21:55.17`	`Esteth`	`well, its an extension for cartographer really, so its a "real" dependency`
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`21:58.14`	`Esteth`	`ok. im getting the info from Cartographer:GetCurrentPlayerPosition()`
`21:58.38`	`Esteth`	`but Cartographer_Notes:OpenNewNoteFrame(x, y) is either not working, wrong, or i misread the description`
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`22:01.31`	`Tain`	`Woah.`
`22:01.38`	`Tain`	`Kergoth`
`22:01.50`	`Tain`	`HBO is doing a Song and Fire and Ice series.`
`22:02.09`	`Sstixrud`	`Has anyone noticed that summoning mage water or drinking potions unsides all Actionbars`
`22:02.28`	`Sstixrud`	`or at least unhides my actionsbars :)`
`22:03.30`	`Sstixrud`	`has something to do with slotchange event I think`
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`22:05.04`	`Sstixrud`	`woops, I mean unhides buttons on visable frames.. not unhides frames :)`
`22:08.10`	`Flaska`	`x = 1;y=2;z=x..y; or what?`
`22:08.16`	`Flaska`	`I don't get what .. is`
`22:09.03`	`Flaska`	`oh`
`22:09.23`	`Flaska`	`its like "string1".."string2" is "string1string2" ir what?`
`22:10.43`	`Flaska`	`are you people dead? =D`
`22:11.16`	`Corrodias`	`wow, 54 bank/bag addons and i've never seen any of them`
`22:12.30`	`Corrodias`	`i can't believe i've already been awake for over 4 hours and haven't been in WoW yet`
`22:13.47`	`Flaska`	`string1 = "123" and string2 = "456", and string3 = string1..string2 , when string3 equals to "123456" or what?`
`22:14.06`	`Flaska`	`then*`
`22:14.45`	`Corrodias`	`i believe so`
`22:14.51`	`Flaska`	`thx`
`22:15.33`	`Flaska`	`oww`
`22:15.41`	`Flaska`	`I just saw the first good thing with lua =)`
`22:15.47`	`Flaska`	`variable swapping`
`22:17.18`	`Corrodias`	`TBag sounds cool...`
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`22:17.24`	`Corrodias`	`variable swapping?`
`22:17.33`	`Flaska`	`a, b = b, a`
`22:17.41`	`Flaska`	`no such thing in php =)`
`22:17.49`	`Corrodias`	`no such thing in Java, either`
`22:17.54`	`Flaska`	`=)`
`22:18.18`	`Flaska`	`In php I have to make a function if I want to use it often or use a third var =/`
`22:18.32`	`Corrodias`	`so that's like.. a shortcut to: do; local c = b; b = a; a = c; end; ?`
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`22:19.06`	`tingle`	`kaso you there?`
`22:19.53`	`Corrodias`	`i don't think it's even possible in java because of scope and everything being passed to functions by reference`
`22:20.18`	`Corrodias`	`although something.a could be switched with something.b`
`22:20.46`	`axxo`	`in java everything is passed by value`
`22:21.00`	`Flaska`	`java sux =D`
`22:21.06`	`Flaska`	`no offence`
`22:21.11`	`axxo`	`agree`
`22:21.29`	`Flaska`	`totally object oriented, not my style =)`
`22:21.33`	`Corrodias`	`what? only primitives pass values as arguments`
`22:21.39`	`Flaska`	`stop!`
`22:21.44`	`axxo`	`no everything is passed by value`
`22:21.53`	`Corrodias`	`what java are -you- using?`
`22:21.57`	`Flaska`	`you give me headache`
`22:22.03`	`Karrion`	`well, everything is passed by value, but the values are object references`
`22:22.07`	`axxo`	`Corrodias: go read up on it`
`22:22.17`	`axxo`	`Karrion: ssh don't rune it`
`22:22.25`	`Corrodias`	`indeed. you get a copy of the pointer, not a copy of the object.`
`22:22.30`	`Flaska`	`eh`
`22:22.32`	`Flaska`	`stop?`
`22:22.33`	`Flaska`	`=P`
`22:22.33`	`axxo`	`still passed by value`
`22:22.36`	`Flaska`	`hahahah`
`22:22.47`	`tingle`	`http://www.pastey.net/5724 i got a problem, some quests you accept 2 times with the same name, then it calles the function of the first quest info and stuff.. basicly i have triggers double, (down at the teldrasil part)...`
`22:23.18`	`Corrodias`	`if you will say things are passed by value, then i will say that everything in java is C/C++ because the VM uses .dll's.`
`22:23.25`	`Flaska`	`oh my`
`22:23.43`	`Corrodias`	`the windows one, anyway`
`22:23.51`	`tingle`	`how can i fix this problem, ive tried triggering a differnt quest accepted or completed, but at some times i cant to that.`
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`22:24.29`	`axxo`	`you're clueless we'll leave it at that`
`22:24.45`	`Corrodias`	`i wonder if there's a way to identify quests other than their titles, then`
`22:25.05`	`tingle`	`there isnt sadly`
`22:25.18`	`tingle`	`or better said i dont know...`
`22:25.53`	`tingle`	`because the only event i could find was CHAT_MSG_SYSTEM`
`22:26.45`	`tingle`	`any ideas`
`22:27.03`	`tingle`	`because i cant keep on codeing the guide unless i figure out a salution`
`22:27.48`	`Corrodias`	`axxo is a poopie head`
`22:27.57`	`Karrion`	`tingle: no idea whether it's possible, but what about hooking the quest log window and grabbing the text of the quest/objectives`
`22:28.22`	`tingle`	`id have to rewrite everything O_O`
`22:29.39`	`tingle`	`damm this sux`
`22:29.51`	`Karrion`	`you could still drive it from the chat event, but when you get the event, step through the quest log for one of that title and take a hash of the text`
`22:30.36`	`tingle`	`i dont know how to do stuff like that, im a leveler and not a coder, the most of the lua kaso did for me`
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`22:33.03`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`hey poopyheds`
`22:33.52`	`TC_Working`	`nice....`
`22:34.07`	`TC_Working`	`try poopyheads`
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`22:36.56`	`tingle`	`and why doesnt he say shitheads, or is foul language not permitted in this channel :D`
`22:37.14`	`Cairenn`	`tingle: watch your fucking mouth, asshole`
`22:37.16`	`steev64`	`hey all, i havea local f = CreateFrame("Frame",name) \nf:EnableMouse(true)\nf:RegisterforDrag("LeftButton") - but, when I click on my frame, its not draggable - am I missing something?`
`22:37.21`	`Cairenn`	`;)`
`22:37.32`	`TC_Working`	`poopyheads is more childish...fits in much better`
`22:37.39`	`Cairenn`	`hehehehe, there is that`
`22:37.44`	`tingle`	`:D that wasnt meant twards you guys :P`
`22:38.01`	`Cairenn`	`tingle: btw, I wasn't actually meaning that, in case you missed the joking around part of it`
`22:38.14`	`tingle`	`i used to call my brother fuckface, i sorta liked that word :D`
`22:38.44`	`tingle`	`coz for some reson i always cought him jacking off ~~`
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`22:38.54`	`Cairenn`	`in general, most folks don't "swear" a lot in here, but there is nothing that says you can't`
`22:39.11`	`Tain`	`Fuck yeah!`
`22:39.22`	`Cairenn`	`profanity as every second word is a bit much, but meh`
`22:39.48`	`TC_Working`	`but every 3rd word is perfectly fine`
`22:39.51`	`tingle`	`as long as this channel doesnt turn into a flaming contest :D`
`22:40.21`	`tingle`	`oh so ozzy ozborns way of putting things is perfectly fine? "fuck you you fucking fuck"`
`22:40.37`	`tingle`	`ill never forget when he said that`
`22:41.13`	`tingle`	`you guys remember the mtv show "The Ozzborn Family"?`
`22:41.14`	`Cairenn`	`steev64: hang in there, they will get over their foul language discourse eventually and then maybe someone will be able to give you a hand ;)`
`22:41.24`	`TC_Working`	`no, the best one was the line from boondock saints`
`22:41.26`	`TC_Working`	`Rocco: Fucking... What the fuck. Who the fuck fucked this fucking... How did you two fucking fucks...`
`22:41.27`	`TC_Working`	`[shouts]`
`22:41.27`	`TC_Working`	`Rocco: fuck!`
`22:41.27`	`TC_Working`	`Connor: Well, that certainly illustrates the diversity of the word.`
`22:41.49`	`tingle`	`lolz`
`22:42.16`	`steev64`	`Cairenn: eh, i work for a content filtering company, im used to it, kids will be kids`
`22:42.28`	`tingle`	`i remember when ozzy looked as his dog pounding the side of the coutch and he said: What the fuck you fucking fuck piece of fucking dogshit.`
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`22:42.46`	`tingle`	`then he ganked him`
`22:43.33`	`tingle`	`and his wife comes in the door, "Ozzy you just owned my dog" and ozzy says: "Fucking horde needs to stop fucking my furniture"`
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`22:44.16`	`foxlit`	`Frame:SetToplevel(false) -- what's that in XML? :)`
`22:46.18`	`tingle`	`boo hoo /sniff*`
`22:46.30`	`Sstixrud`	`foxlit question for you.. are you aware of a bug/feature that causes action buttons that have been :Hide() to reappear after summon water or plauer aura's?`
`22:46.46`	`tingle`	`im horny and my girls sleeping naked not 2 feet beside me... -.- life sucks`
`22:47.34`	`foxlit`	`No, I'm not.`
`22:47.36`	`Sstixrud`	`drinking the summon water also causes it :)`
`22:47.40`	`Cairenn`	`tingle: that, otoh, is definitely getting into the TMI category`
`22:47.40`	`foxlit`	`Use the default UI for bars :)`
`22:47.44`	`Sstixrud`	`trying to figure out how to supress it`
`22:47.59`	`tingle`	`TMI?`
`22:48.07`	`TC_Working`	`to mich info`
`22:48.10`	`Cairenn`	`too much info`
`22:48.11`	`Corrodias`	`TBag is already starting to irritate me a little`
`22:48.18`	`TC_Working`	`s/mich/much/`
`22:48.19`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`just a bit`
`22:48.24`	`tingle`	`oh well...`
`22:48.47`	`tingle`	`time to smoke a cig and gank some horde useing lobies`
`22:49.00`	`TC_Working`	`it could have been worse Cairenn, it could have been in the WTMI catagory`
`22:49.01`	`tingle`	`get this anyone ever hear of this gank`
`22:49.07`	`Cairenn`	`:)`
`22:49.25`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i'd like to recommend this for you, tingle: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0169858/`
`22:49.58`	`tingle`	`i have all of the evangelion on my computer`
`22:50.08`	`tingle`	`with a bunch of other animes`
`22:50.10`	`Sstixrud`	`its bad enough finding and fixing my bugs let alone working around blizzards`
`22:50.34`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`if you've seen end of eva, you'd understand while i was referring that to you`
`22:50.35`	`Karrion`	`tingle: you could try this to get the text of a quest: http://www.pastey.net/5726`
`22:50.42`	`Karrion`	`completely untested of course`
`22:51.00`	`tingle`	`you a level 70 rogue, go stealth - have a level 10 lobie of your fraction stand out near horde, when they attack him you gank the horde woohoo fun (btw horde territory)`
`22:52.04`	`tingle`	`Karrion: would that mean i have to redo all my quest triggers...`
`22:54.18`	`tingle`	`hehe my christmas present came today my girlfried ordered before christmas... a one and a half handed sword, ^^`
`22:54.47`	`tingle`	`better said a long-sword`
`22:54.55`	`Tain`	`Maybe if the last guy who had it wasn't so clumsy he'd still have two hands.`
`22:55.04`	`zenzelezz`	`Old Hillsbrad owns :-o`
`22:55.16`	`tingle`	`time to visit my old teachers hrhr j/k`
`22:56.09`	`Karrion`	`you'd have to add to the trigger... you'd call that after the quest was accepted to find the text, and use the text to determine which stage you were on... so you'd just have to add a field to your quest description structure with some kind of signature of the text`
`22:56.49`	`Karrion`	`I'm assuming that the quest is available in the log immediately on receipt of the event... this may not be true though`
`22:57.07`	`Sstixrud`	`bah! this button:Show() bug seems to be triggered after EVERY event has already fired`
`22:59.25`	`Sstixrud`	`is there an e-mail address/place where addon authors can report bugs?`
`23:00.21`	`Cairenn`	`cairenn@wowinterface.com`
`23:00.45`	`Cairenn`	`I can get them into the hands of the right people`
`23:00.46`	`Sstixrud`	`seriously?`
`23:00.53`	`Sstixrud`	`k`
`23:01.05`	`Cairenn`	`although depending on the "bug", you can just post it in the Blizz UI forum`
`23:01.33`	`Cairenn`	`just make sure you put [Bug] or [Slouken] or some such in the title, so he is sure to read it`
`23:01.58`	`Cairenn`	`if it's more in the way of a possible exploit, don't post it, send it to me, I'll forward it along`
`23:02.03`	`Sstixrud`	`cairenn - well in this case a visable SecureActionBarFrame that contains buttons that have been :Hide() will get :Show() during certain events. For example summon water, or drinking summon water.`
`23:02.41`	`Sstixrud`	`Also when getting on a mount`
`23:02.53`	`Sstixrud`	`perhaps on-loot as well`
`23:03.48`	`Sstixrud`	`its going to make the mod I am writting cumbersome because instead of just updating button status in real time I have to save previous states so I can take into account my work around for this "bug"`
`23:04.17`	`Cairenn`	`if it's a non-exploitable bug, post it on the forum (if you are EU, PM me on WoWI and I'll post it for you), if it can be exploited, send me the details and I'll pass them along (if you can provide a working code example for them to look at, so much the better)`
`23:04.35`	`Sstixrud`	`and at best my workaround re :hide()'s the bug 75% of the time and for the other 25% it is :Alpha(0) and :Disabled :\|`
`23:05.10`	`Sstixrud`	`k`
`23:05.16`	`Corrodias`	`i'm not sure if i like TBag or not. it sure sorts things in a convenient way, but sometimes there are things i want sorted another way. maybe i can set those up manually.`
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`23:08.55`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`Coordias: you write bongos?`
`23:08.59`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`its someone with a C in their name :P`
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`23:09.56`	`cladhaire`	`Bongos is Tuller`
`23:09.57`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`maybe it was cladhaire`
`23:09.59`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`oh`
`23:10.07`	`cladhaire`	`See, I knew you were going to ping me next`
`23:10.12`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`damnit :P`
`23:10.12`	`cladhaire`	`had to head you off at the pass =)`
`23:10.18`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`you write BT3 right?`
`23:10.32`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`no tuller on this network :(`
`23:10.56`	`cladhaire`	`no, I don't write BT3`
`23:11.05`	`cladhaire`	`Not everyone idles in this channel 24x7 =)`
`23:11.07`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`awesome, I am 0 for 4`
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`23:22.47`	`MoonWolf`	`tierrie why don't you look in the toc file, forum topic or wiki for the author(s) of BT3`
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`23:23.05`	`foxlit`	`Mm, clique bug.`
`23:23.20`	`cladhaire`	`hrm?`
`23:23.32`	`foxlit`	`If you get a new spelltab while running, it doesn't compensate for the button's position in the spellbook`
`23:24.07`	`cladhaire`	`oh`
`23:24.09`	`cladhaire`	`that's barely a bug`
`23:24.10`	`cladhaire`	`but yes =)`
`23:24.15`	`foxlit`	`Display issue :)`
`23:26.59`	`Corrodias`	`giving all your epics to me is barely a bug for me!`
`23:48.08`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`hey clad, was it possible to open the spellbook prior to clique?`
`23:48.35`	`cladhaire`	`huh?`
`23:48.44`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`uh, in combat I mean`
`23:49.15`	`cladhaire`	`yes`
`23:49.17`	`cladhaire`	`and it still is.`
`23:52.03`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`thanks`
`23:52.11`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`need to figure out what's blocking it from showing up then`

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