| 00:00.13 | Tain | Some things are not only faster, they're... well possible. |
| 00:00.17 | cogwheel | I keep a cygwin command line open all day long |
| 00:00.22 | Tain | Thank goodness for pstools! |
| 00:00.24 | Corrodias | indeed, windows has a number of utilities most easily accessed with a command window |
| 00:00.32 | Corrodias | fsutil and ipconfig among them |
| 00:00.58 | Syntax-error | Cant say i use anything that often to keep one open |
| 00:01.14 | bleetah | cogwheel: same, when I'm in Win32 |
| 00:01.42 | Tain | It is too bad PowerShell isn't all that great. |
| 00:01.49 | bleetah | I recall them saying they were going to be bourne compatible, and the inventor of bourne beating up the marketing droid making theannouncement because it wasn't compatible hehe |
| 00:01.56 | cogwheel | I use a bash script to package up my addons and operate svn |
| 00:02.11 | bleetah | same lol |
| 00:02.15 | Syntax-error | Ah crap. im back at the old GetItemInfo error |
| 00:02.21 | Syntax-error | thought id cracked that one |
| 00:02.30 | cogwheel | and no version of linux is yet compatible with my hardware :( |
| 00:02.46 | bleetah | i was thinking about a simple bash script, with wget or similar, check the last modified field, or similar, to see if a mod on wowinterface has updated. |
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| 00:03.23 | cladhaire | i think dolby provives an rss feed |
| 00:03.24 | cladhaire | why not use it? |
| 00:04.20 | bleetah | that's a plausible solution |
| 00:07.21 | bleetah | cogwheel: what's your hardware? |
| 00:08.25 | Tain | TRS-80 |
| 00:08.30 | cladhaire | where can i go at 67 |
| 00:08.32 | cogwheel | bleetah: the culprit is the P965 chipset which doesn't have native PATA support so they used a 3rd party (jmicron) controller for the optical drives. |
| 00:08.53 | Cide | cladhaire: netherstorm, blade's edge |
| 00:09.01 | cladhaire | i heard bad things about BE |
| 00:09.04 | bleetah | cogwheel: yerk |
| 00:09.07 | Cide | I really like BE |
| 00:09.07 | cladhaire | which do you recommend for a druid solo? |
| 00:09.18 | cladhaire | and there's leather there |
| 00:09.19 | cladhaire | opk |
| 00:09.38 | cogwheel | kernel 2.6.18 was supposed to fix it, but there aren't many distros out there using it and I'm too lazy to try to build my own installer disc |
| 00:09.38 | Cide | I don't like netherstorm though, heh |
| 00:09.48 | cladhaire | i soloed all of HFP, Zangarmarsh and Nagrand |
| 00:10.07 | Tain | I soloed C`thun |
| 00:10.21 | cogwheel | and actually, the one distro i found that did recognize the jmicron controller choked on my PCI PATA controller I use for my 3rd HD :( |
| 00:10.23 | Corrodias | i soloed your mom |
| 00:10.34 | Tain | I tag teamed your mom |
| 00:10.41 | cladhaire | who hasn't. |
| 00:15.43 | bleetah | btw, I'll add some of those RSS feeds to planet-warcraft.com shortly |
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| 00:24.27 | bleetah | oooh @ 'sporeling sack'-> pet buff food! yay! |
| 00:27.40 | kaso | You can use them on MC'd targets to give em the stam buff :> |
| 00:27.40 | kaso | i mean targets youve MC'd |
| 00:27.46 | kergoth | sporeling sack sounds kinky, i think you meant snack :) |
| 00:27.56 | kergoth | planet warcraft you say.. |
| 00:28.23 | bleetah | yeah, we're slowly adding feeds... many feeds out there only contain titles, with no meaty content, so we don't add them |
| 00:28.31 | bleetah | eg, bluetracker |
| 00:28.49 | kergoth | neat |
| 00:29.06 | Tain | Do you have World of Whorecraft? |
| 00:29.23 | bleetah | I still need to write a scraper to remove the embedded google ads :/ |
| 00:29.24 | Corrodias | i saw the first video. it did not impress. |
| 00:29.59 | cogwheel | http://googletesting.blogspot.com/2007/01/introducing-testing-on-toilet.html |
| 00:30.20 | Corrodias | that was a response to Tain |
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| 00:46.06 | bleetah | wow interface latest download's feed added to planet-warcraft.com, will probably take 5 to 10 mins before it appears on the site. |
| 00:51.24 | Industrial | http://tinyurl.com/2lh6mc |
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| 00:57.42 | zenzelezz | is planet-warcraft GSIgn? |
| 00:58.22 | bleetah | GSign? Groupe de Sécurité et d'Intervention de la Gendarmerie Nationale? |
| 00:58.33 | zenzelezz | GSI/IGN |
| 00:58.38 | bleetah | oh, no |
| 00:58.40 | bleetah | it's norgs |
| 00:58.46 | zenzelezz | neat |
| 00:58.56 | bleetah | well, it's his server, I'm kinda taking care of adding feeds, layout and stuff |
| 00:59.13 | bleetah | he's taking care of the wordpress-mu backend for the free blogs |
| 00:59.14 | zenzelezz | I have developed a natural mistrust to planet<gamename> sites the last few years |
| 00:59.35 | zenzelezz | GSI really messed up those |
| 00:59.58 | bleetah | hmm I might put some inof on the page 'provided by norganna.org' or similar |
| 01:00.21 | bleetah | thanks for bringing the issue to my attention ;) |
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| 01:06.05 | pyroboob | I'm an addict: |
| 01:06.13 | pyroboob | I've set up remote desktop to play WoW at school |
| 01:06.58 | kaso | ha |
| 01:09.08 | Industrial | whats the pet attack slash command again? |
| 01:09.13 | Industrial | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:09.39 | Industrial | we tunnel through putty for wow at school |
| 01:09.46 | Industrial | port 80 :P |
| 01:10.17 | pyroboob | hah |
| 01:11.55 | zenzelezz | I keep forgetting I'm supposed to tag these talbuk and end up killing half of them :-| |
| 01:14.20 | Cairenn | Hah! Got a challenge for you guys ... get a pen and a piece of paper ... make sure your right foot is free to move |
| 01:14.33 | Cairenn | now, start moving your foot in a clockwise direction |
| 01:14.46 | Cairenn | while continuing to do that, draw the # 6 |
| 01:14.54 | Cairenn | which direction is your foot moving now? |
| 01:15.08 | bleetah | clockwise.. maybe it doesn't work for left-handers :P |
| 01:15.17 | JoshBorke | lol, yea, i was wondering that |
| 01:15.51 | bleetah | nup |
| 01:15.53 | JoshBorke | gotta od left foot clockwise |
| 01:16.08 | bleetah | same, nup |
| 01:16.36 | JoshBorke | worked for me :-D |
| 01:16.44 | Cairenn | bah, you all suck :p |
| 01:16.53 | JoshBorke | purl, hug Cairenn |
| 01:16.54 | purl | ACTION sneaks up on Cairenn and suddenly hugs Cairenn tightly |
| 01:17.00 | Cairenn | hehehe |
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| 01:19.37 | Tain | It isn't working! |
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| 01:20.42 | Tain | Owies |
| 01:20.51 | Tain | I have a boo boo |
| 01:22.38 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 01:23.31 | Daksafiya | bbl, WoW, is the shit |
| 01:29.06 | bleetah | woot, planet-warcraft's finally caught up with itself, and the wow interface latest downloads are showing |
| 01:30.04 | bleetah | other mod vendors/distributors: don't hesitate to look me up to get your RSS feed added to planet-warcraft.com. Please ensure that your feed has some data in it beyond just a link. We do not add feeds which don't have reasonable information contained within. |
| 01:31.46 | bleetah | feeds that aren't in UTC time format annoy me.. we'll still take them but be aware you're generating data that is out of sync with the rest of the planet (ie, just not the site, but with everything else) |
| 01:32.22 | bleetah | (says I.. hintingly.. after observing the behaviour from WoWI's feed ;-) |
| 01:36.54 | Cairenn | bleetah: talk to dolby-wowi :p |
| 01:37.06 | bleetah | Cairenn: will do ;) |
| 01:37.19 | bleetah | it's not a real biggie, just a minor annoyance hehe |
| 01:37.34 | JoshBork1 | nn all |
| 01:37.46 | bleetah | I wish Blizz would run some realms in UTC :/ |
| 01:37.48 | bleetah | nn josh |
| 01:37.56 | Gryphen | lol |
| 01:38.45 | bleetah | yeah, that was my 'silly suggestion' of the day :-D |
| 01:50.29 | TC_Working | speaking of silly http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dmVU08zVpA |
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| 02:19.27 | MentalPower | does anyone have (or know how to get) or know how to get a list of all of the icons used for herbs, ores and chests? |
| 02:20.29 | kaso | Thottbot ? |
| 02:22.03 | wereHamster | what's the best fubar plugin for displaying XP? |
| 02:22.04 | Mike-N-Go | OK, here are a few questions regarding mail, and that working with my addon. |
| 02:22.14 | Mike-N-Go | Is there a way I could get items to 'que' so the user does not have to wait for the last item to be sent? |
| 02:22.23 | Mike-N-Go | f the item is undeliverable, is there a way that the item could be dropped back into it's slot? |
| 02:22.32 | Mike-N-Go | If the item is soul bound, for example. |
| 02:22.47 | bleetah | SPOOOOOON MAAANNN! |
| 02:23.35 | Zicon | werehamster: Depends on what you want from it. I'm partial to FuXPFu. |
| 02:24.24 | wereHamster | I'd like to see the basic XP infos (current xp, rested) and then xp/h and time-to-level |
| 02:24.38 | MentalPower | wait, aren't you an aussie? |
| 02:25.55 | Zicon | werehamster: One named simply ExperienceFu does all that. |
| 02:25.56 | Tain | As everybody knows, Australia is populated entirely by criminals. |
| 02:25.57 | bleetah | MentalPower: yeah, you got a problem with that mate? |
| 02:25.58 | bleetah | :P |
| 02:26.11 | bleetah | Tain: and don't you forget it! |
| 02:26.20 | MentalPower | lol! |
| 02:26.30 | zenzelezz | nonsense |
| 02:26.33 | zenzelezz | there's also kangaroos |
| 02:26.42 | bleetah | mmmmm skippy burgers |
| 02:27.04 | wereHamster | Zicon, thanks |
| 02:27.14 | Tain | And criminals are used to not being trusted, as you are not trusted by me. |
| 02:28.47 | bleetah | Inconceivable! |
| 02:29.29 | bleetah | Ha ha! You fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders! The most famous is never get involved in a land war in Asia, but only slightly less well-known is this: never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha... |
| 02:29.50 | Tain | ~vizzini |
| 02:29.58 | purl | INCONCEIVABLE! |
| 02:30.49 | bleetah | is it rend who started saying that sort of recently-ish? |
| 02:30.59 | bleetah | doesn't seem to be every time, tho |
| 02:33.43 | MageRooster | Asia Minor! |
| 02:35.16 | Tain | ~inigo |
| 02:35.36 | purl | Let me 'splain. No, there is too much. Let me sum up. |
| 02:37.24 | bleetah | ~miraclemax |
| 02:37.26 | purl | Get back, witch. |
| 02:39.44 | bleetah | ~impressiveclergyman |
| 02:39.46 | purl | Mawage. Mawage is wot bwings us togeder tooday. Mawage, that bwessed awangment, that dweam wifin a dweam... And wuv, tru wuv, will fowow you foweva... So tweasure your wuv. |
| 02:39.54 | bleetah | I'll stop now ;) |
| 02:41.25 | bleetah | oh, one more... |
| 02:41.26 | bleetah | ~westley |
| 02:41.28 | purl | You warthog-faced buffoon. |
| 02:48.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | ~sotn |
| 02:48.27 | purl | What is a man? A miserable little pile of secrets! But enough talk! Have at you! http://youtube.com/watch?v=c7E_in_uZnc |
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| 03:18.19 | xlvii | stupid oceanic realms. |
| 03:18.19 | bleetah | 'scuse the language, but did a fuckton of realms just go down? |
| 03:18.31 | bleetah | not just oceanics |
| 03:18.47 | xlvii | must be one of the clusters. |
| 03:18.54 | bleetah | more than one |
| 03:19.05 | bleetah | thorium brotherhood's not connected to oceanics at all, as far as I knopw |
| 03:19.14 | xlvii | yes, but it could be in that cluster. |
| 03:19.16 | xlvii | :P |
| 03:19.34 | bleetah | oh, must be my bad understanding of how it's set up. I thought a battlegroup = a cluster |
| 03:20.01 | bleetah | either way, I've just lost all realms with any decent toons on |
| 03:20.38 | zenzelezz | I'm still having way too much fun with Spell Reflection =D |
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| 03:37.19 | bleetah | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:37.24 | bleetah | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=71917201&sid=1 |
| 03:37.34 | bleetah | about... 30 or so realms out |
| 03:38.08 | zenzelezz | funky... these Ethereum Researchers have a spell whose tooltip says "Nature damage after 5 seconds", but it actually does arcane :-o |
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| 03:42.55 | bleetah | Kaelten's breeding! |
| 03:43.11 | zenzelezz | or at least multiplying |
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| 03:50.27 | seebs | Hey, uhm. Is anyone other than me having a problem where reloading UI a couple of times magically causes one of the mod-only tooltip channels to start spamming in a chat window? |
| 03:50.45 | seebs | I'm just trying to figure out whether this is something I should be debugging in terms of addons, or in terms of a recent WoW patch, or what. |
| 03:52.29 | a-stray-cat | noooo blizzard server gods, whyyyy! |
| 03:52.32 | a-stray-cat | :< |
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| 03:54.16 | bleetah | a-stray-cat: I think if they knew that, they'd be working again ;) |
| 03:56.43 | PProvost | WowAceUpdater 1.7-beta3 is now available. Please visit http://sf.net/projects/wowaceupdater to download. |
| 03:59.15 | PProvost | :D |
| 04:03.21 | bleetah | honestly, tho, I have a gut feeling that what the community could really do with, is some nifty p2p style thing for distributing/updating mods, so our various sites don't go down on major releases and we have to chase up mirrors, etc. etc. |
| 04:03.56 | bleetah | of course, getting everyone to agree on an API for it would be the tricky bit ;) rofl |
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| 04:26.21 | seebs | I am trying to modify the quest watch list. My code works if it's run after login, but it doesn't work if I do it after PLAYER_ENTERED_WORLD. |
| 04:26.35 | seebs | What's a good event to wait for that should give me a reasonable hope that modifying the quest watch list will succeed? |
| 04:32.46 | Mike-N-Go | Hi seebs. |
| 04:36.54 | bleetah | "We believe we've found a solution to the issue and we're in theprocess of testing it, and then restarting the realms and confirmingthe fix has been applied and resolves the issue successfully. We'recurrently anticipating the realms will be back up within 30 minutes ifthe solution is successful. We'll provide another update inapproximately 30 minutes." |
| 04:37.02 | bleetah | (which is about now ;-) |
| 04:43.53 | zenzelezz | I really wish they'd have put some more graveyards around the BC zones |
| 04:43.59 | zenzelezz | these are all worse than Un'goro/Barrens |
| 04:45.21 | seebs | Oh, doh. I think PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD is fine, I was just being inattentive. |
| 04:58.55 | seebs | Hmm. |
| 04:59.12 | seebs | I am having a hard time being sure that my code runs late enough. |
| 05:00.07 | seebs | It seems that just waiting for PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD does not postpone things far enough. |
| 05:02.45 | TonyD | what is the issue? |
| 05:02.45 | seebs | So, my code works, but my debugging messages never make it to the chat window. Obnoxious! |
| 05:03.13 | TonyD | with the breaking blizznews |
| 05:03.46 | bleetah | realms back up, btw |
| 05:04.27 | bleetah | "The majority of affected realms are now up andaccepting players. The solution applied is temporary and we will beperforming a maintenance later this evening to implement a morepermanent one. Further information will be provided shortly. We're inthe process of testing these realms for any further issues as they comeback up and we'll provide further updates as necessary." |
| 05:04.44 | bleetah | (apols for badly converted linefeeds/spaces, etc.) |
| 05:04.44 | TonyD | solution to what? |
| 05:05.10 | bleetah | rofl -> http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=71917201&sid=1&pageNo=6#115 |
| 05:06.20 | bleetah | TonyD: guess it depends on what the cause is whether they make it publically known |
| 05:08.30 | TonyD | ahh, well, bedtime in any case |
| 05:19.18 | Tem | Anyone have any TeX experience? |
| 05:19.25 | Tem | I have 30 minutes to get this working |
| 05:19.30 | Tem | and I'm fucking lost |
| 05:21.42 | Guillotine | dammit, I have been the most unlucky person ever with the drop of Ursol's Claw. Just ran 23rd time, no drop |
| 05:21.54 | Guillotine | 0.59% chance of that happening :/ |
| 05:22.11 | Guillotine | and thats being lenient |
| 05:24.07 | zenzelezz | I hate solo quests that I can't seem to solo |
| 05:24.16 | zenzelezz | mostly escort quests x.x |
| 05:25.55 | [Cu]Werik | Reroll a paladni |
| 05:26.12 | zenzelezz | no way, I love my warrior |
| 05:26.22 | [Cu]Werik | Then, less QQ more PewPew :) |
| 05:26.32 | zenzelezz | problem is that I'm protection spec and these guys don't stop when they get attacked... and I take eons to kill stuff :-p |
| 05:27.49 | zenzelezz | they're more like "hey guy, why don't you fight these while I go over here and aggro some more" |
| 05:27.53 | [Cu]Werik | Why are you protection spec |
| 05:28.03 | zenzelezz | because I'm a tank? |
| 05:28.21 | [Cu]Werik | I feel some contradiction here |
| 05:28.29 | [Cu]Werik | Are you tanking or leveling now? |
| 05:28.40 | zenzelezz | not leveling, just questing |
| 05:28.46 | [Cu]Werik | mkay |
| 05:31.58 | zenzelezz | but for what it's worth, I did 60-70 in protection spec too :-p |
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| 06:09.35 | seebs | Well, hey, my new addon works, despite my early cluelessness. |
| 06:09.48 | seebs | I wish WoWI wouldn't *REQUIRE* an image, because this addon has no UI at all. |
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| 06:18.08 | ckknight | hey all |
| 06:19.56 | zenzelezz | heya |
| 06:26.10 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:38.15 | seebs | Heh. |
| 06:38.26 | seebs | It really is a VERY simple mod. |
| 06:38.46 | seebs | It's one of those things where I've spent a year wishing the game just did that, and then it occurred to me that I could, well, just do it. |
| 06:39.14 | Corrodias | wouldn't it be nifty if Blizzard compiled and released a weekly survey of what addons people use? |
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| 06:40.08 | hugo546 | hi |
| 06:43.21 | Tem | Any mages around at all? |
| 06:43.53 | hugo546 | is there a command to chat with npc please ? |
| 06:44.06 | Tem | no |
| 06:44.10 | Tem | you must right click |
| 06:45.49 | zenzelezz | no, I will not conjure you some water |
| 06:47.29 | hugo546 | cant |
| 06:47.38 | hugo546 | its a dragon in air.. |
| 06:47.45 | hugo546 | has like 8quests chain |
| 06:47.49 | hugo546 | i managed to click him 2x |
| 06:47.55 | hugo546 | but now i spend 30min trying again.. |
| 06:48.01 | hugo546 | so bad~~ |
| 06:48.13 | hugo546 | need some script/command to chat with him |
| 06:49.18 | Kemayo | seebs: QuestsFu does that. :D |
| 06:49.39 | Kemayo | (Honestly, it's getting kinda bloated. I might want to go modular...) |
| 06:52.03 | seebs | I keep planning to try out more questlog mods. There's so MANY. |
| 06:52.37 | seebs | Mine would be a LOT smaller if there were actual events for changes in your quest log, as opposed to events that come down to "something happened which could conceivably affect a quest." |
| 06:53.15 | seebs | *sigh* Still no luck figuring out why my main chat window keeps attaching itself to one of the hidden channels used for extension chatter. |
| 06:55.45 | Kemayo | seebs: Quixote is a library which gives you proper quest log events. |
| 06:56.06 | Kemayo | If you're into that whole Ace thing. If not, you probably wouldn't like it. |
| 06:56.52 | Tem | zenzelezz, I haven't played in a while so um |
| 06:57.07 | Tem | zenzelezz, what's the deal with the changes to the empowered talents? |
| 06:57.14 | Tem | the patch notes are unclear |
| 06:57.37 | zenzelezz | no idea, I'm a warrior :-x |
| 06:57.45 | Tem | hugo546, There is no command. It cannot be done any other way than right clicking on the npc |
| 06:58.21 | hugo546 | damn |
| 06:58.23 | Tem | hugo546, and if you can't reach him because he's a dragon in the air, then that might be a HINT that you need a flying mount to do his quests |
| 06:58.40 | hugo546 | huh |
| 06:58.47 | hugo546 | i got epic windrider |
| 06:58.51 | hugo546 | im telling hes too big |
| 06:58.54 | Tem | so fly up and talk to him |
| 06:58.55 | hugo546 | and unclickable |
| 06:59.09 | hugo546 | im doing for hour.. |
| 06:59.20 | hugo546 | its pretty impossible |
| 06:59.36 | Tem | ask a GM then |
| 06:59.45 | Tem | the scripting interface won't help you |
| 07:00.02 | hugo546 | its a chain quest |
| 07:00.08 | hugo546 | i managed to click him 2x after 15min |
| 07:00.14 | hugo546 | now hour no luck |
| 07:00.20 | Tem | ask a GM then |
| 07:00.23 | Tem | the scripting interface won't help you |
| 07:00.24 | hugo546 | im geting crazy :D |
| 07:00.30 | zenzelezz | sounds like you just haven't found the sweet spot |
| 07:00.35 | hugo546 | i did send ticked hour ago before i asked here |
| 07:00.43 | hugo546 | im not stupid i was only asin if there scripting way |
| 07:00.47 | hugo546 | .. |
| 07:00.51 | hugo546 | cya |
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| 07:00.56 | zenzelezz | who said you were stupid |
| 07:00.59 | zenzelezz | ... |
| 07:01.04 | Tem | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:01.10 | Tem | but I don't dare |
| 07:01.35 | Tem | but really, not stupid, just the lack of engrish was getting to me |
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| 08:50.25 | Widgertick | Haha Seebs, nice addon =) |
| 08:50.31 | Widgertick | I've always wanted that ^_^ |
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| 10:12.24 | Sumhat | some body help me, why this code display "nil", http://wowi.pastey.net/5522 |
| 10:25.54 | Corrodias | OH MICKEY YOURE SO FINE YOURE SO FINE YOU BLOW MY MIND |
| 10:27.05 | Corrodias | you are assuming that "TMPTooltipTextLeft1" exists, but i don't see it being set. perhaps you are expecting CreateFrame to make it. |
| 10:27.49 | Corrodias | i don't know if it's right to assume that. |
| 10:32.29 | krka | well, it inherits from Gametooltip, right? |
| 10:32.42 | krka | not sure how it handles children |
| 10:37.32 | Sumhat | but if declared in xml file, it works. list this: <GameTooltip name="TMPTooltip" inherits="GameTooltipTemplate" parent="UIParent" hidden="true"/> |
| 10:37.41 | Sumhat | like... |
| 10:39.15 | Taktaal | i don't think createframe can handle inheritance |
| 10:40.06 | Taktaal | anyway you need to get some debug code in there |
| 10:40.34 | Taktaal | DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(getglobal("TMPTooltip"))); |
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| 10:40.40 | Taktaal | DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(getglobal("TMPTooltipTextLeft1")); |
| 10:40.56 | Taktaal | to find out where in that long single line the problem actually happens |
| 10:41.40 | Sumhat | type of TMPTooltip is table, and it contains only an elements of "userdata". i tested. |
| 10:42.22 | krka | oh... they didn't fix inheritance in recent patches? |
| 10:42.27 | krka | (for lua createframe) |
| 10:43.01 | Sumhat | btw, i am in china, version is 1.12. |
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| 10:49.43 | [Wobin] | hm |
| 10:49.52 | [Wobin] | There's apparantly a duping program floating around |
| 10:49.59 | [Wobin] | But I'm not willing to try it out =P |
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| 11:09.01 | Corrodias | most likely the only thing it'll dupe is your password |
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| 13:14.46 | *** topic/#wowi-lounge by clad -> Paste Code Here: http://wowi.pastey.net/ | TOC is 20003 | Ambrose Bierce: HISTORY, n. An account mostly false, of events mostly unimportant, which are brought about by rulers mostly knaves, and soldiers mostly fools. | Happy Birthday Tem!!! |
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| 14:10.57 | zenzelezz | woot, Shadow Labyrinth was sweet |
| 14:12.00 | kaso | I do love mumur |
| 14:12.06 | kaso | how however you spell it |
| 14:12.24 | kaso | the "ragnaros" model i still the coolest bossmodel ever imo |
| 14:12.41 | zenzelezz | he reminded me of a cross between Ragnaros and Thunderaan |
| 14:22.47 | Beladona | I have had good luck with the Auchindoun runs lately |
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| 14:22.59 | Beladona | last couple runs I have gotten two of the boss drops |
| 14:23.15 | Beladona | plate, etc.. |
| 14:25.30 | JoshBorke | how hard is mana-tombs? |
| 14:25.59 | zenzelezz | I've won no boss drops in Auchindoun so far :-| |
| 14:26.07 | zenzelezz | not too hard |
| 14:26.14 | kaso | mana-tombs is just gay |
| 14:26.16 | kaso | too much trash |
| 14:26.55 | JoshBorke | i want to try to run it this weekend |
| 14:31.02 | Beladona | mana-tombs has a LOT of mobs |
| 14:31.09 | Beladona | somewhat closely packed |
| 14:31.14 | Beladona | but the bosses aren't very hard |
| 14:31.15 | Beladona | imho |
| 14:32.23 | Beladona | Pandemonius is tricky |
| 14:32.26 | Beladona | once you beat him though |
| 14:32.32 | Beladona | the others are like cake walks |
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| 16:25.35 | Mikma | ~seen tuller |
| 16:26.06 | purl | tuller <n=chatzill@c-68-57-185-39.hsd1.va.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 10d 20h 5m 30s ago, saying: 'if I had to guess, something'. |
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| 17:12.11 | tingle | hi, anybody here that remembers me and my project of a leveli9ng guid addon? |
| 17:12.34 | tingle | about 3-4 days ago |
| 17:12.36 | tingle | ??? |
| 17:14.17 | Kaso | i do |
| 17:14.48 | tingle | where you alo one of thos that said they would want to be apart of that project and help with the codeing |
| 17:15.06 | Kaso | Not me |
| 17:15.25 | Kaso | i did send you a PM suggesting a better way to do your coding however, did you see that? |
| 17:15.28 | tingle | i think wingertick was one |
| 17:15.39 | tingle | and mr rabies |
| 17:16.16 | Kaso | Jan 22 12:53:41 <kaso>tingle, if i were you i'd have arranged you mod like this: http://www.pastey.net/5360 |
| 17:16.16 | Kaso | Jan 22 12:54:02 <kaso>With all the strings at the top in a table so its easier to add new quests |
| 17:16.16 | Kaso | Jan 22 12:54:29 <kaso>just add a line ["Quest accepted: Whatever"]="Text to spam", |
| 17:16.16 | Kaso | Jan 22 12:55:22 <kaso>Also instead of using the color codes everwhere, the MyMod_Print(msg,r,g,b) function takes r,g,b which each 0-1 representing the color |
| 17:16.16 | Kaso | Jan 22 12:56:18 <kaso>that way if you do "hi this is some text |cffff00ffWhatever|r" itll automatically go back to the default color instead of you having to have another color code |
| 17:16.40 | tingle | yes... |
| 17:17.06 | tingle | say are you familiar with coding waypoints and frames and stuff...? |
| 17:17.47 | Kaso | I could proberly work it out, but ive never done it myself so im not one to ask im afraid |
| 17:18.37 | tingle | damm :P |
| 17:22.02 | tingle | that tells me your also learning this whole ui codeing stuff right |
| 17:23.29 | KarlThePagan | is there a slouken in the house? I have a tainting mystery! |
| 17:23.37 | Kaso | Well, you're always learning :> Whenever you do a new mod you do stuff you havent done before. |
| 17:23.59 | Kaso | There are some things i'd say i know more than most about, some things much less. |
| 17:25.13 | tingle | wanna learn with me and work on a new mod based on my leveling guid 1-70 ^^? |
| 17:25.40 | Kaso | KarlThePagan slouken hasnt been around for a month |
| 17:26.03 | Kaso | Fraid my account is cancelled so leveling isnt the easiest thing for me atm :> |
| 17:26.15 | KarlThePagan | cogwheel, I removed that invtype_thrown taint and I still get UI blocked on [equipped:] macros |
| 17:27.05 | cogwheel | KarlThePagan: hmmm.... you've tested it without any addons and you know it's only those addons that are causing it? |
| 17:27.23 | KarlThePagan | disabling those 2 allow normal execution |
| 17:28.18 | KarlThePagan | EQCompare hits a few AH compare frames, but nothing related it seems |
| 17:28.28 | tingle | well cannt i tell you my ideas you tell me your ideas and then figure out how to get them to work and then ill use wikki and you too to make the mob :P |
| 17:28.44 | KarlThePagan | CG Banker doesn't hook anything... just does some tooltip scanning (on inventory equip location yea) |
| 17:28.57 | tingle | because i have ideas and know how i want them to look but i dont know what to use or what typ of stuff to use |
| 17:29.13 | cogwheel | KarlThePagan: does it only happen if both are enabled or do both cause it independently? |
| 17:29.42 | tingle | please :D be my teacher or companion |
| 17:29.45 | KarlThePagan | lemme retest EQC without banker |
| 17:30.01 | KarlThePagan | banker is independant |
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| 17:32.56 | KarlThePagan | cogwheel, yup the UseItemByName blocked error persists |
| 17:33.08 | KarlThePagan | i'm off to work where I can test this but I'll be around |
| 17:33.14 | KarlThePagan | *can't |
| 17:34.20 | tingle | kaso still there? |
| 17:34.28 | Kaso | yes |
| 17:34.35 | tingle | did you read what i typed |
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| 17:36.00 | Kaso | well, If you need advice i'd recommend you'd ask in channel generally and i might help, but im not really that dependable to be honest |
| 17:36.19 | tingle | oh :/ |
| 17:37.18 | Kaso | im too lazy |
| 17:38.30 | tingle | happens at least your honest ^^ |
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| 18:17.51 | tingle | was isn der link für die officele wow addon art und zeug |
| 18:17.58 | tingle | hat des wer? |
| 18:18.24 | tingle | eh ops |
| 18:18.46 | tingle | does anyone have the link for the offical wow addon art (invterface art) and other stuff,? |
| 18:20.01 | Mikma | how can i skip a folder with zip? zip -r file.zip folder -x .svn ... (something to go with the .svn) |
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| 18:30.58 | cogwheel | Mikma: just use svn export |
| 18:31.27 | cogwheel | tingle: use the interface extractor tool |
| 18:32.53 | Mikma | cogwheel: hmm, thanks |
| 18:38.18 | tingle | is there somewhere a tuturial that explanes how to creat frames that are visable with like a backround and a border? |
| 18:38.41 | cogwheel | http://fara.webeddie.com/frames/ It's a bit outdated but most of the info is accurate. |
| 18:39.23 | cogwheel | you'll want to grab yourself an XML editor with autocomplete... Microsoft Visual Studio Express editions have one built in |
| 18:40.40 | JoshBorke | just use vim :-P |
| 18:40.59 | cogwheel | vim = hell for dvorak users |
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| 18:41.40 | JoshBorke | :-P i use it :-P |
| 18:41.54 | cogwheel | heh. I'm too lazy to learn it :P |
| 18:42.10 | JoshBorke | i'll admin the l is hard to use |
| 18:42.25 | JoshBorke | but the j/k are convenient |
| 18:45.26 | cogwheel | does vim read XSD files and give you autocomplete based on it? (i get the feeling I've asked you this before) |
| 18:47.01 | axxo | so if i sell everything |
| 18:47.07 | axxo | i'm still not flying in style :( |
| 18:48.25 | tingle | ok sorry if i get annoying but i want to learna bout slash commands, can u guys explane to me what each line means: |
| 18:49.03 | tingle | ok this is inside a function: |
| 18:49.06 | tingle | the first line |
| 18:49.08 | tingle | out("FaraFrames: OnLoad"); |
| 18:49.10 | amro | no |
| 18:49.13 | amro | pastebin it |
| 18:49.33 | tingle | im doing one line after another well beter said the lines i dont understand |
| 18:49.47 | tingle | what does the "out" at the beginning mean |
| 18:49.51 | cogwheel | tingle: without context it's unlikely we'll be able to tell you |
| 18:50.02 | amro | pastebin your entire .lua file |
| 18:50.08 | tingle | k sec |
| 18:50.43 | tingle | http://wowi.pastey.net/5528 |
| 18:51.12 | cogwheel | I'll add comments to that and repastey it |
| 18:51.18 | tingle | line 2 what does the "out" mean |
| 18:51.21 | amro | does anyone here use mod_python? |
| 18:51.31 | tingle | k |
| 18:52.14 | kergoth | i've made use of mod python, but not coded anything using it |
| 18:52.20 | kergoth | meh |
| 18:52.58 | amro | do you know how to make it handle individual .py files individually, and send output to the browser instead of telling me how i should code my website? |
| 18:53.29 | tingle | ? |
| 18:53.34 | JoshBorke | tingle: did you read the entire fara frames tutorial? |
| 18:53.39 | tingle | yes |
| 18:53.53 | tingle | but it doesnt explane each line and what each line does |
| 18:54.34 | JoshBorke | he defines out to be a function |
| 18:54.46 | tingle | so out is the name |
| 18:54.51 | JoshBorke | out is a function |
| 18:55.04 | tingle | is there somewhere a list of functions like out |
| 18:55.11 | JoshBorke | inside his lua files |
| 18:55.16 | JoshBorke | inside his tutorial |
| 18:55.17 | cogwheel | tingle: he defined it himself |
| 18:55.24 | cogwheel | http://wowi.pastey.net/5529 |
| 18:56.04 | cogwheel | I don't mean to be harsh, but you won't get very far until you understand Lua and basic programming concepts |
| 18:58.09 | tingle | is that hard to learn or long? |
| 18:58.31 | cogwheel | I've heard that http://pine.fm/LearnToProgram/ is a good first place to learn programming though I haven't read it myself. Once you have general programming concepts down, you should learn Lua. http://www.lua.org/pil is the best (free) place to start or if you want to buy a book you should get the hard copy 2nd edition since there have been a few slight changes in the language |
| 19:01.41 | tingle | i still dont understand out("FaraFrames: OnLoad"); does out define that there is something that sends something out (into the game (msg)) when the skript gets loaded (onload) ? |
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| 19:02.43 | cogwheel | tingle: look elsewhere in the lua file |
| 19:03.20 | tingle | i see: |
| 19:03.20 | cogwheel | again, not intentionally being rude, but if you had a bit of programming experience, you would know exactly what it does and how to find out why... |
| 19:03.46 | tingle | ive messed with c++ while programming diablo 2 hack plugins :P |
| 19:03.53 | tingle | i foudn this function out(text) |
| 19:04.20 | JoshBorke | yes, that's where they define the function out |
| 19:04.35 | tingle | oh |
| 19:04.47 | tingle | so it calles the other function into that one or links them? |
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| 19:05.18 | JoshBorke | function out(text) is where it defines the function out. when it does out("blah blah") that is where it calls the function out |
| 19:06.26 | tingle | ok i understand |
| 19:07.28 | tingle | but i still dont get what ("FaraFrames: OnLoad"); has to do with the whole thing i get that when the programm is loaded it puts a message into a error frame that pops up |
| 19:07.56 | JoshBorke | that's the specific text |
| 19:08.05 | tingle | oh.... |
| 19:08.17 | tingle | out("this is the text"); |
| 19:08.19 | kergoth | tingle: go to the resources cogwheel linked you to before you waste people's time further. |
| 19:08.47 | tingle | i understand stuff better when people explane it to me but ok ill try to figure things out myself... |
| 19:10.01 | tingle | well no |
| 19:10.05 | tingle | i dont want to XD |
| 19:10.15 | tingle | i want to learn when someone explanes it to me |
| 19:10.24 | cogwheel | then pay a school teacher... |
| 19:10.30 | cogwheel | all of this is really basic stuff |
| 19:10.32 | tingle | -.- |
| 19:10.43 | kergoth | no kidding, get off your lazy ass and either read or go to school |
| 19:10.49 | tingle | im 14 |
| 19:10.54 | Cide | we can tell |
| 19:11.01 | tingle | :( |
| 19:11.05 | Cide | honestly, if you want to program you need to make an effort yourself |
| 19:11.44 | amro | tingle, you can learn by reading and trial and error |
| 19:11.58 | Cairenn | okay guys, easy ... tingle, folks are willing to *help* in here, but you have to put some effort into it yourself |
| 19:12.12 | tingle | well... thats not it |
| 19:12.14 | amro | you'll learn better that way, because if someone tells you what to do you wont know how it works exactly which isn't a good thing |
| 19:12.27 | Cairenn | otherwise a) they are just writing it for you and b) you don't actually *learn* anything that way |
| 19:12.29 | tingle | i cant find anywhere where stuff is descriped they way i want them answered |
| 19:12.33 | tingle | for example |
| 19:12.53 | kergoth | google. have fun. |
| 19:13.00 | tingle | function out(text) why is there text in there and up there was out("FaraFrames: OnLoad"); |
| 19:13.20 | Cide | that's the basics of programming, not lua-specific at all |
| 19:13.21 | tingle | faraframes: onload is the message that gets shown up |
| 19:13.25 | amro | that's because you don't know how functions work, i suggest you read up |
| 19:13.33 | tingle | fine |
| 19:13.34 | kergoth | tingle: you dont seem to be getting it. people are not going to hold your hand here. go do some research. |
| 19:13.47 | Cide | read up on the basics and your questions will be answered |
| 19:13.59 | Cide | in this case, read about function parameters/arguments |
| 19:14.21 | tingle | and where |
| 19:14.27 | Cide | www.google.com |
| 19:14.36 | Cide | I already told you the term |
| 19:14.49 | Cairenn | if you've done the research and can point to specific things saying "okay, I read this, but I still don't quite understand X the way it is worded, can someone try to put it in different terms for me", you are much more likely to get help |
| 19:14.54 | tingle | oh i thought maby at that lua website |
| 19:15.12 | Cide | if you thought about looking on the lua website - why not do it? |
| 19:15.14 | amro | tingle, you have to be willing to spend countless hours plowing through google results and digging through documentation if you want to program |
| 19:15.21 | tingle | ok ok ill do some researching as if you guys wernt here |
| 19:15.31 | kergoth | we are not here to do your work for you. |
| 19:15.31 | Cide | we *aren't* here! |
| 19:15.39 | Cairenn | I know I'm coming into the conversation late, so I'll ask, has someone already pointed tingle to the standard author resources? |
| 19:15.44 | kergoth | yes |
| 19:15.47 | Cairenn | k |
| 19:15.47 | kergoth | cogwheel did a while ago |
| 19:15.52 | JoshBorke | hi cairenn :-D |
| 19:16.02 | Cairenn | as I said, just verifying since I'm late coming in :) |
| 19:16.07 | kergoth | :) |
| 19:16.24 | Kirov | geez Cairenn, stop rockin' the boat |
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| 19:16.54 | Cairenn | tingle: as they will have already told you then, the lua manual, wowwiki and the "mod author resources thread" on the Blizz UI forum are your best starting points |
| 19:17.00 | cogwheel | wb, KarlThePagan |
| 19:17.09 | Cairenn | hi Josh |
| 19:17.15 | tingle | k ill look |
| 19:17.19 | KarlThePagan | hey cogwheel |
| 19:17.23 | kergoth | he was also linked to pages on learning general programming concepts, which he'll need |
| 19:17.28 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 19:17.42 | Cairenn | just re-affirming what you guys have said then :) |
| 19:17.56 | Cairenn | repetition repetition repetition ;) |
| 19:17.56 | JoshBorke | the way i heard it was that everyone was super mean to me |
| 19:17.58 | JoshBorke | and made me cry |
| 19:18.07 | Cairenn | that's because we hate you JoshBorke |
| 19:18.16 | Cairenn | <3 |
| 19:18.29 | Cairenn | and on that note |
| 19:18.45 | JoshBorke | :-( |
| 19:18.46 | JoshBorke | :'( |
| 19:19.25 | Kirov | ooo! is it Bonk Borke Day! |
| 19:21.15 | JoshBorke | :-P |
| 19:21.26 | JoshBorke | when is it not? |
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| 19:25.29 | rjaym | what's the function to set an action to an specific action slot? there doesn't seem to be a function like that in the wiki |
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| 19:56.28 | tingle | why do i keep getting this error when going into the game: <eof> expected near 'end' |
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| 19:57.08 | tingle | my lua is fine: http://wowi.pastey.net/5534 |
| 19:58.02 | krka | apparently it isnt |
| 19:58.13 | tingle | whats wrong? |
| 19:58.50 | krka | every end needs to have a matching function, while, for or if |
| 19:58.58 | krka | or do |
| 19:59.15 | tingle | doesnt that lua have it? |
| 19:59.27 | krka | no |
| 19:59.49 | tingle | ah |
| 19:59.59 | tingle | i have 2 ends |
| 20:00.02 | tingle | i only need 1 |
| 20:00.27 | tingle | ^^ |
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| 20:06.28 | bleetah | dolby-wowi: ping |
| 20:08.57 | cogwheel | does weapon skill increase only on normal swings or do special attacks also cause it? |
| 20:10.15 | bleetah | based on my hunter's thumpstick experience, wingclip and (the other big hit move) I think give skillup, not too sure about the one that's used after a dodge(can't recall it's name) |
| 20:10.31 | bleetah | hangover ftl! |
| 20:13.15 | amro | special attacks also trigger skillups (this from spamming wing clip 500 times) |
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| 20:14.53 | dolby-wowi | hi Bleetah |
| 20:16.33 | Corrodias | weapon skills, how boring |
| 20:16.57 | Corrodias | do you have to attack something of similar level or will whacking on a level 40 mob with a low level weapon for an hour do any good? |
| 20:17.58 | bleetah | heya dolby, cairenn told me to look you up. I've added a couple of the rss feeds from wowi to http://planet-warcraft.com but it's suffering from a problem that quite a few other feeds seem to have, so hopefully you may be able to fix it. The problem is the timestamps on the feed do no have an offset from UTC. As such, the date which appears in the feed is out when compared to what it should be. The side effect of this is that any new |
| 20:18.12 | Corrodias | Mr_Rabies2 may be interested to note that i made some calculations and, for whatever reason, Starfire actually has higher dps -and- dpm ratios than Wrath |
| 20:18.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | :o |
| 20:18.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | even talented? |
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| 20:18.53 | bleetah | (or at least, it'd seem that's what the missing offset is causing, as it's only feeds without an offset that keep getting bumped to the top as 'new' entries, even though they're not) |
| 20:19.07 | Corrodias | going by my tooltips. one addon puts on expected damages, although it may be counting crits for the average damage. i need to review the calculation with the extra detail turned on. |
| 20:20.54 | bleetah | Corrodias: similar level |
| 20:21.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | i wish the theorycraft guy would freaking update things |
| 20:21.08 | bleetah | oh, no hang on |
| 20:21.19 | bleetah | one can skillup on rats.. so.. no |
| 20:23.22 | dolby-wowi | can you show me an example of a correct time stamp with the utc offset? |
| 20:23.28 | tingle | i got a question about something that seems to me to be unlogical, in the fara frames tuturial (http://fara.webeddie.com/frames/) it has this function: http://wowi.pastey.net/5535 || now why is the function out(text) there... why didnt he put the message function into the function FaraFrames_OnLoad() is there some real reson? |
| 20:24.12 | cogwheel | factoring... |
| 20:24.17 | Gryphen | down with utc! swatch beat! |
| 20:24.34 | tingle | what do you mean with factoring |
| 20:24.41 | cogwheel | by making out its own function, it can be used anywhere you want now |
| 20:24.59 | cogwheel | tingle: you didn't read that programming tutorial i linked, did you? |
| 20:25.00 | cogwheel | :P |
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| 20:26.14 | tingle | ive been going through a couple things and figured out what that out function does and a couple other things like frame stuff and progrmming basics, i learnt a bit |
| 20:26.15 | tingle | :) |
| 20:26.15 | bleetah | dolby-wowi: http://normal.blog.planet-warcraft.com/feed/ vs http://normal.blog.planet-warcraft.com/feed/ (look at <pubDate>) |
| 20:26.16 | cogwheel | not enough... |
| 20:26.16 | amro | tingle, if he defined it inside FaraFrames_OnLoad() it would only be accessible from inside FaraFrames_OnLoad(). The way he defined it, any other addon can use it |
| 20:26.16 | cogwheel | you need to learn arithmetic before you can understand algebra |
| 20:26.20 | cogwheel | you need algebra before you can learn calculus |
| 20:26.36 | cogwheel | (unless your IQ is like 800) |
| 20:26.41 | tingle | hu? whats arithmetic and algebra and do i need it for programming |
| 20:26.49 | tingle | my icq is 158 -.- not 800 |
| 20:26.50 | cogwheel | it was an analogy |
| 20:27.07 | tingle | iq* |
| 20:27.15 | cogwheel | you need to learn the fundamentals of programming before you'll be able to learn lua (effectively) |
| 20:27.15 | bleetah | dolby-wowi: copy paste foul up ftl.. sorry, just noticed |
| 20:27.30 | bleetah | http://normal.blog.planet-warcraft.com/feed/ vs http://www.wowinterface.com/rss.php?f=latest |
| 20:27.30 | cogwheel | you need to learn lua before you'll be able to write addons |
| 20:28.28 | tingle | im sorta doing both... i pcik out what i need |
| 20:28.33 | tingle | pick* |
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| 20:29.01 | cogwheel | tingle: we've all been in your shoes before |
| 20:29.03 | dolby-wowi | ahh ok |
| 20:29.08 | bleetah | Tem: happy birthday mate :-D |
| 20:29.10 | cogwheel | it simply doesn't work that way |
| 20:29.14 | dolby-wowi | should be easy to add |
| 20:29.21 | Tem | uh oh |
| 20:29.24 | Tem | why do you know? |
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| 20:29.29 | bleetah | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:29.36 | tingle | why will i at some point not get any farther |
| 20:29.41 | Tem | phew |
| 20:29.57 | bleetah | dolby-wowi: the only 'gotcha' will be moving in/out of daylight savings/summertime |
| 20:30.08 | Cairenn | huh? |
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| 20:30.24 | cogwheel | tingle: you'll learn just enough that you'll be able to do things, but you won't do them effectively. |
| 20:30.26 | amro | tingle, if you dont go through the steps in the appropriate order you're going to be asking questions every 5 minutes, question about basic stuff |
| 20:30.42 | Tem | =P |
| 20:30.43 | cogwheel | you'll write something that takes 50 lines of code that you could've done in 10 |
| 20:30.58 | cogwheel | you'll write something that takes 10 minutes to do something that should only take a split-second |
| 20:31.06 | bleetah | kinda like learning to fly with no idea of power/weight rations, etc. |
| 20:31.12 | bleetah | *ratios |
| 20:31.30 | tingle | i guess that would be called hardcore codeing :P |
| 20:31.43 | tingle | well ok i got your point |
| 20:32.27 | cogwheel | this is what you get when you don't learn good programming practices: http://home.comcast.net/~m_orlando/ppong.cpp |
| 20:32.54 | pastamancer | cogwheel: aaaaaugh, my eyes |
| 20:33.00 | bleetah | oh man |
| 20:33.07 | bleetah | i thought the hangover was bad enough |
| 20:33.16 | tingle | that bad? it looks long and good |
| 20:33.28 | cogwheel | long ~= good |
| 20:33.36 | Corrodias | int rnd_tbl |
| 20:33.50 | tingle | long is good? |
| 20:33.52 | Corrodias | i like how early compilers couldn't process variables longer than 8 characters. or am i thinking of DOS? |
| 20:33.59 | cogwheel | ~= means not equal in lua |
| 20:34.15 | Corrodias | long is very, VERY Good if you need numbers to go that high |
| 20:34.16 | cogwheel | Corrodias: both :P |
| 20:34.26 | tingle | oh so its not good, the shortest code is the best code |
| 20:34.40 | cogwheel | not necessarily |
| 20:34.48 | pastamancer | I wish I could say I stopped reading at "unsigned char numbers" but I didn't |
| 20:35.03 | Corrodias | a char is the C/C++ version of a byte |
| 20:35.15 | tingle | well ok i get it |
| 20:35.36 | Corrodias | it makes perfect sense to use chars if you want single bytes |
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| 20:36.12 | pastamancer | Corrodias: that's what int8_t and uint8_t are for |
| 20:36.26 | Corrodias | i'm sorry, i'm really not familiar with those underscore types |
| 20:36.52 | pastamancer | Corrodias: but the real problem I have with that line is that the variable is named "numbers"! |
| 20:37.01 | Corrodias | you tell me that's what they're for, but i really don't see the point in complicating a perfectly readable code with "underscore t"'s |
| 20:37.20 | Corrodias | you have a problem with an array of numbers? |
| 20:37.20 | pastamancer | because char is for characters, it's not guaranteed to be an octet |
| 20:37.31 | Corrodias | in C++, it's gauranteed to be a byte. you're thinking of java. |
| 20:37.40 | Tem | no it's not |
| 20:37.48 | pastamancer | I have a problem with it being named numbers, what kidn of numbers are they? what are they for? it is a mystery! |
| 20:37.49 | Corrodias | are you sure? it was when i used it |
| 20:37.50 | Tem | it's whatever the hell the compiler decides |
| 20:37.55 | cogwheel | pastamancer: surprisingly enough it makes sense |
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| 20:38.23 | cogwheel | it uses 8-bit color and "numbers" is an array of bitmaps of numbers |
| 20:38.25 | Tem | but that's what ANSI exists for |
| 20:38.26 | Corrodias | i see. eww. letting the compiler decide what your code means smells of, well, C++. |
| 20:38.53 | pastamancer | cogwheel: oh, those are bitmaps? |
| 20:38.57 | cogwheel | yep |
| 20:39.12 | pastamancer | haha |
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| 20:43.43 | rjaym | what's the function to set an action to an specific action slot? there doesn't seem to be a function like that in the wiki |
| 20:44.38 | cogwheel | You have to use a PickUp_____ function with an item, spell, or macro and then place it on an action |
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| 20:46.07 | rjaym | so i can't use a key to set actions in action slots, there has to be mouse involvement, bummer |
| 20:46.16 | cogwheel | ? |
| 20:46.24 | cogwheel | i think you didn't ask the question properly |
| 20:46.31 | cogwheel | i don't understand what you mean now |
| 20:46.56 | Kaso | just so im understanding this correct, when using the vararg thingy, you've gotta use select(2,...) nowadays rather than arg[2] ? |
| 20:47.01 | cogwheel | either that or you misinterpreted my answer :P |
| 20:47.11 | rjaym | hm, alright, i want to use a keyboard key to change an action(spell/macro/item) from 1 slot to another |
| 20:47.36 | cogwheel | PickupAction(oneSlot) PickupAction(otherSlot) PlaceAction(oneSlot) |
| 20:47.47 | rjaym | o i see, tnx |
| 20:48.32 | cogwheel | Kaso: basically... though you have to remember to put extra parentheses around it if you're using it in a function call |
| 20:48.55 | Kaso | Foo((...)) like that? |
| 20:49.19 | cogwheel | function foo(...) print(select(2, ...)) end foo(1, 2, 3) will print 2, 3 |
| 20:49.35 | cogwheel | because select returns all the values from 2 on |
| 20:49.38 | Kaso | oh |
| 20:49.40 | Kaso | i getcha now |
| 20:49.55 | Kaso | so just to isolate the first return of select oklay |
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| 20:53.58 | rjaym | can anyone recommend a way to find what slot number on the action bar the mouse is currently over |
| 20:55.33 | rjaym | nvm i think GetCursonInfo will do it |
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| 20:55.48 | Kaso | GetMouseFocus() would be good too |
| 20:56.42 | Kaso | GetCursorInfo get the thing that is actually "on" on the pointer, as if you were dragging it |
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| 20:58.15 | tingle | what is the command i need to put behind the frame name to make the frame visable as soon as the ui load? (the frame has backround, border and stuff |
| 20:58.36 | Tem | rjaym, GetCursorInfo will not help you |
| 20:58.36 | a-stray-cat | anyone know how I can get an NPC's title (like Innkeeper, Fruit Vendor, etc) |
| 20:58.51 | Tem | rjaym, it only tells you about what the cursor is *dragging* |
| 20:59.26 | Tem | via PickupContainerItem, PickupAction,PickupSpell, ect |
| 20:59.41 | Tem | so the way to tell wha the cursor is OVER is via GetMouseFocus |
| 20:59.58 | Kaso | yaknow i beat you to that one tem :> |
| 21:00.13 | Tem | oh, yeah |
| 21:00.13 | tingle | what is the command i need to put behind the frame name to make the frame visable as soon as the ui load? (the frame has backround, border and stuff |
| 21:00.18 | Tem | I didn't read what you actually said |
| 21:00.29 | Cide | tingle: don't spam. |
| 21:00.31 | Tem | tingle, frames are visible by default |
| 21:00.31 | Kaso | ah, good to know people care about what im saying :< |
| 21:00.41 | Cide | you already asked the question about one minute ago |
| 21:00.41 | tingle | ah ok |
| 21:00.48 | rjaym | wow, tnx Tem |
| 21:00.57 | Tem | Kaso, I just scanned that you mentioned GCI |
| 21:01.36 | rjaym | although, using mouse focus, is it possible to return what slot that frame is associated with? |
| 21:01.48 | rjaym | (on the action bar/bongo bar in this case) |
| 21:02.34 | tingle | btw where is a frame anchored by default? |
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| 21:06.07 | a-stray-cat | no one knows how to get NPC titles? :< |
| 21:06.14 | Tem | tooltip scan |
| 21:06.17 | Tem | that's the only way |
| 21:06.24 | a-stray-cat | really? |
| 21:06.28 | a-stray-cat | booo |
| 21:06.29 | Tem | sometimes UnitFactionGroup will tell you what you want to know |
| 21:06.31 | Tem | but not always |
| 21:06.34 | a-stray-cat | thanks anyway |
| 21:14.28 | tingle | what are <BackgroundInsets> for? |
| 21:14.56 | tingle | i cant find a explantion on wiki for it |
| 21:15.30 | cogwheel | specifies how far in from the border of the frame the background texture should be |
| 21:16.26 | tingle | ah ok so <AbsInset left="11" right="12" top="12" bottom="11"/> the numbers say how many pixels in goes inside of the border |
| 21:21.36 | tingle | is there some reson why http://wowi.pastey.net/5537 shouldnt work??? |
| 21:21.47 | tingle | because im not getting a frame of anytyp ingame |
| 21:23.37 | tingle | ?? |
| 21:25.40 | tingle | ??? is it because i dont have a layer? |
| 21:29.56 | tingle | is there some reson why http://wowi.pastey.net/5537 shouldnt work??? im not seeing any typ of frame ingame... |
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| 21:33.44 | tingle | anyone here abel to answer my question |
| 21:34.53 | Tain | Jon Stewart did a riff on Dick Cheney last night that is absolutely hilarious. |
| 21:35.52 | tingle | cogwheel you there? |
| 21:37.47 | tingle | isnt anyone here abel to tell me why i dont see anything ingame??? http://wowi.pastey.net/5537 |
| 21:38.44 | tingle | kaso... do you see the problem |
| 21:39.12 | Kaso | problem, theres no indentation! |
| 21:39.24 | tingle | what is indentation |
| 21:39.33 | Kaso | dont worry |
| 21:39.51 | Kaso | i mean that it wasnt tabbed so it was hard to read cos you didnt select XML language on pastey.net |
| 21:40.43 | tingle | oh, but whats the problem |
| 21:43.15 | tingle | i dont see anything ingame |
| 21:43.31 | tingle | is something missing |
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| 21:46.10 | tingle | kaso |
| 21:46.17 | tingle | ? |
| 21:46.27 | Kaso | sorry sorta busy |
| 21:47.01 | tingle | kannt you tell me real quick whats amater and why i dont see anything ingame |
| 21:54.08 | tingle | can someoe tell me why im not getting a frame ingame? : http://wowi.pastey.net/5537 |
| 21:54.45 | Tain | Sorry I swore off XML for Lent |
| 21:55.02 | tingle | ? |
| 21:57.25 | tingle | can someoe tell me why im not getting a frame ingame? : http://wowi.pastey.net/5537 |
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| 22:08.02 | Syntax-error | You know. i would love to develope a mod that works alongside these wow leveling guides, tells you what quests are where, which to pickup depending on what stage your at, and gives markers where the quest givers are, that would be good |
| 22:11.14 | amro | i had that idea once, but laziness, among other things, stopped me |
| 22:11.22 | ZealotOnAStick | Call it "Handholder? or "Silver Spoon" or "EZMode?" |
| 22:12.06 | amro | my idea was a simple list of things to do in your current zone, and when at a flightmaster things to do at the highlighted zone |
| 22:12.17 | amro | because i was tired of forgetting to pick up stuff from the bank etc |
| 22:14.50 | Syntax-error | ZealotOnAStick its hardly making the game any easier than say stunwatch or sheepwatcher |
| 22:15.48 | ckknight | There is one situation in which an operation on two floating-point numbers can cause a drastic reduction in the number of significant bits in the result. What is it? |
| 22:16.10 | ckknight | Syntax-error: yea, I think it'd be a cool idea as well |
| 22:17.06 | Syntax-error | Im not sure how it could be implamented tho, would be a large project for sure, maybe someday ill start on it, maybe try and get my uni project on it |
| 22:17.08 | Syntax-error | who knows |
| 22:17.17 | ckknight | Syntax-error: if you want to, I'd recommend Cartographer-Notes as a good framework to build off of, lets you put notes, set them as waypoints (so it'll show on the screen what direction to go and such), then you can make it do what you want based on the quests you have and such |
| 22:17.21 | ckknight | :-P |
| 22:18.12 | Syntax-error | The coding wouldnt be the largest problem |
| 22:18.20 | Syntax-error | it would be the quest listings for all areas |
| 22:18.31 | Syntax-error | would have to do alot of research lol |
| 22:20.46 | bleetah | not really, just make a mod to recall all quest data, and make sure you level a toon on both sides that does every quest ;) |
| 22:20.53 | bleetah | s/recall/record/ |
| 22:21.10 | bleetah | the first bit is the easiest hehe |
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| 22:21.48 | amro | you'd need to keep track of each quest's items and requirements and where they are, not just the quests |
| 22:22.16 | bleetah | yup, that's the 'data' for which I'm talking about |
| 22:22.25 | Syntax-error | Well alot of that information is already available |
| 22:22.59 | bleetah | when we compelte the wowwatcher open source release, sometime soonish, we've already got the guts of recording this info happening |
| 22:23.17 | Syntax-error | thotbott and the like have alot of information, and leveling two 70's isnt as easy as it would seem for me, i only play a few hours a day |
| 22:23.51 | bleetah | http://norganna.org/discuss/discussion/3420/wow-watcher-will-be-opensource |
| 22:25.18 | bleetah | the info gathering app is already in our public svn, the server/website and support script aren't released yet as they still need a bit of tweaking to be reasonable for release |
| 22:25.45 | bleetah | *app and mod |
| 22:25.47 | amro | a database of all quests and related items & npcs would be quite large |
| 22:25.59 | bleetah | amro: we don't have them all yet, but yes it is |
| 22:26.28 | amro | perhaps an external script to grab only the ones you'll likely need? |
| 22:26.59 | bleetah | what i'm thinking of doing is something like the standalone cartographe app, but takes the info from the wowwatcher db |
| 22:27.36 | amro | yeah but loading thousands of quests isn't going to make that loading screen disappear any faster =) |
| 22:29.41 | bleetah | one could edit the standard 'massive' SV and remove the quests that are unlikely to be needed for any given game session (eg, your toon's 57, unlikely that it'll need the level 1-5 quests) |
| 22:29.57 | bleetah | PvP server? don't need the opposing faction, etc. |
| 22:30.15 | amro | or it could be split into multiple sub-addons that are loaded on demand |
| 22:30.26 | bleetah | aye, per zone/faction stuff |
| 22:32.09 | bleetah | still, collecting the info, displaying it really wouldn't be the tricky part. ensuring the master list has every quest and are correctly chained by testing it all out, prolly is ;) |
| 22:33.18 | bleetah | servers down again? |
| 22:33.33 | bleetah | *some |
| 22:33.34 | amro | actually collecting the info might be tougher than it sounds. im not sure how wowwatcher stores its data, but how hard will it be to programatically determine what the objectives are, and then to get information on those if they are items or NPCs |
| 22:38.48 | bleetah | yeah, garbage in, garbage out. hopefully by being open source, we can achieve accuracy despite the myriad of methods by which questing can differ. the LOD method lends itself to plugins that specifically target the tracking/displaying of these classes of quests. |
| 22:39.59 | Syntax-error | not sure if you mentioned this, but you could easily split the data, only load the questdata for your faction, and your class ( for class quests ) and then just load the quests for the current zone, that cant be too much info surely? |
| 22:42.50 | Syntax-error | something i said.... |
| 22:44.23 | amro | well, the only 2 ways i can think of to do that: an external application that modifies the SV file, or use multiple addons each containing a part of the database |
| 22:44.39 | amro | since you can't access files from ingame |
| 22:46.17 | bleetah | or both... sorry, user support ;) |
| 22:49.44 | Kaso | Wouldnt it just be easier to load of the data then trash whatever's not needed? |
| 22:56.01 | Syntax-error | that would cause the same load delay surely |
| 23:07.43 | TC_Working | so so true http://thelounge.comicgenesis.com/d/20060222.html |
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| 23:25.58 | wereHamster | quick.. what's the best WoW comic?? :P |
| 23:26.24 | Tain | http://sexylosers.com/ |
| 23:28.04 | TC_Working | there is no "best" one |
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| 23:32.14 | wereHamster | I'm looking for the comic where in one episode the rogue sais 'damage meters don't kill' and then the paladin takes the dmg-meter UI frame and kills the rogue with it. |
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| 23:40.34 | TC_Working | *sigh* that one again |
| 23:41.34 | wereHamster | I should bookmark it.. I know :-/ |
| 23:41.45 | TC_Working | http://darklegacycomics.com/39.html |
| 23:41.48 | TC_Working | there |
| 23:43.47 | rjaym | i'm having a little trouble with lua, how do i end a function right where i am at any time? |
| 23:43.58 | rjaym | do break end? |
| 23:44.12 | Kaso | end a function? |
| 23:44.15 | TC_Working | power button |
| 23:44.23 | wereHamster | rjaym, do return end |
| 23:44.37 | rjaym | i'll try the return one |
| 23:45.13 | TC_Working | just so you know wereHamster, you could have googled the comic |
| 23:51.58 | rjaym | failing |
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