| 00:00.09 | Tierrie|Work | ! |
| 00:00.17 | Tierrie|Work | Scryer and Aldor? |
| 00:00.22 | Tierrie|Work | it doesnt' change your faction sir |
| 00:00.31 | a-stray-cat | im rather sure it doesn't change the trade channel ;) |
| 00:00.33 | Tierrie|Work | Scryers and Aldors are factions but you are still Alliance or Horde |
| 00:00.47 | Tierrie|Work | hmm let me rephrase it |
| 00:00.56 | bleetah | yup, just checking stuff I was going to 'assume' before writing code ;) |
| 00:01.16 | foxlit | Isn't there only one trade channel anyway? |
| 00:01.18 | Tierrie|Work | Your faction is Stormwind/Ironforge/Darnassus/Exodar/Ogrimmar/etc |
| 00:01.39 | Tierrie|Work | But you can be friendly/exalted with the Scryers or Aldor, but that doesn't change your faction |
| 00:01.48 | Tierrie|Work | Actually |
| 00:01.52 | Tierrie|Work | I don't think you have a faction |
| 00:02.06 | bleetah | foxlit: shattrath's trade channel is seperate from your home faction's Trade - City |
| 00:02.16 | Tierrie|Work | deep philosophical moment |
| 00:02.27 | Tierrie|Work | if you roll a human, does this mean you're of the faction Stormwind? |
| 00:02.28 | Tierrie|Work | I don't think so! |
| 00:02.38 | Tierrie|Work | I think you're just generic Alliance of no faction |
| 00:02.41 | Tierrie|Work | ... |
| 00:02.43 | a-stray-cat | you are associated with many factions. |
| 00:02.51 | foxlit | Yes, but you don't give rep when killed :) |
| 00:02.53 | bleetah | well, either way.. you get my drift |
| 00:03.06 | Tierrie|Work | mm |
| 00:03.07 | a-stray-cat | you dont have factions, only standings within factions. |
| 00:03.09 | Tierrie|Work | i want to kil crap |
| 00:03.14 | bleetah | 1) shattrath's trade chan is seperate 2) chosing scryer/aldor doesn't change the chan name |
| 00:03.38 | a-stray-cat | so kill stuff |
| 00:03.39 | Tierrie|Work | i wonder if the horde and alliance can start a fight in shattrath |
| 00:03.45 | a-stray-cat | they can't |
| 00:03.47 | a-stray-cat | everyones blue to you |
| 00:03.52 | Tierrie|Work | really? |
| 00:03.55 | a-stray-cat | yup. |
| 00:04.05 | a-stray-cat | still can't inspect the opposing faction though :< |
| 00:04.33 | Tierrie|Work | you know what i'd like to do is stand at netherstorm and polymorph opposing faction as they fly too close to me |
| 00:04.40 | Tierrie|Work | watch them fall into the void |
| 00:04.50 | a-stray-cat | polymorph does nothing to people on flying mounts |
| 00:04.59 | Tierrie|Work | i don't really do that because i am on a pve server :( |
| 00:05.02 | Tierrie|Work | oh really? |
| 00:05.02 | Tierrie|Work | nice |
| 00:05.08 | Tierrie|Work | can you be dazed off it?> |
| 00:05.17 | a-stray-cat | sure |
| 00:05.26 | a-stray-cat | but you can fly way above any mobs range |
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| 00:18.59 | TC_Working | sadly this is what happened to many people http://www.zack.spacerasta.com/latest.php |
| 00:21.50 | WobWork | unfortunately true |
| 00:21.59 | WobWork | for those who can afford to take the week off =P |
| 00:22.09 | ^Alleyria | lol |
| 00:24.31 | TC_Working | i still havent upgraded my wow account to BC |
| 00:24.42 | ^Alleyria | same |
| 00:25.19 | TC_Working | and the CE is siting in my room looking mournfully at me |
| 00:25.52 | ^Alleyria | Ahh |
| 00:26.07 | ^Alleyria | I'm just waiting for my box to come in the mail :) |
| 00:26.29 | TC_Working | oh, no, mine came on wed, i have just been to lazy to do anything about it |
| 00:27.58 | wereHamster | what cooldown does Rampage have? |
| 00:28.20 | WobWork | Depends on how many people you eat when you break through the buildings |
| 00:28.35 | WobWork | I kinda miss playing that game =) |
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| 00:30.01 | Shadowed | wereHamster it has no cooldown |
| 00:30.09 | TC_Working | ya, that was a great game |
| 00:30.20 | Shadowed | costs 20 rage |
| 00:31.17 | Shadowed | http://thottbot.com/?sp=30033 |
| 00:38.21 | bleetah | hmm, I think shattrath trade channel is bugged |
| 00:38.52 | bleetah | if I leave the zone, into elsewhere in outlands, GetChannelName("Trade - Shattrath City") returns the chan number I was using back in shattrath, rather than 0 |
| 00:39.33 | ^Alleyria | What about in another instance ID, not 530? |
| 00:39.40 | ^Alleyria | or was it 430.. |
| 00:42.14 | bleetah | ? |
| 00:42.32 | ^Alleyria | Does that still return the same in a different instance ID |
| 00:42.55 | bleetah | yeah, just working through the testing now |
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| 00:50.40 | bleetah | oh, hmm... it'd appear it's storing what the channel should/will be, rather than whether it's an active channel or not |
| 00:51.18 | bleetah | darnassus->rut'heran, GetChannelName("Trade - City") returns the chan number I was using |
| 00:52.02 | bleetah | aargh! forum purgatory! |
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| 01:07.13 | bleetah | ^Alleyria: so, the upshot is: yes, if you leave a trade zone for anywhere, GetChannelName("Trade - City") or if it were Shattrath you were in, GetChannelName("Trade - Shattrath City") will return the chan number that the channel *would* exist on, if you were in the zone |
| 01:12.09 | WobWork | oh man |
| 01:12.10 | WobWork | so australian |
| 01:12.41 | WobWork | my latest commit note: "not equal to GBR, not not not equal to GBR damnit." |
| 01:13.31 | bleetah | aussie aussie aussie |
| 01:13.31 | WobWork | we always confuse our american guildies with our ability to parse recursive quadruple negatives =P |
| 01:14.12 | bleetah | bunch of non-vegemite eating heathens! |
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| 01:17.11 | WobWork | Hehe |
| 01:17.24 | WobWork | Raidvote: I have never not done this Boss (y/n) |
| 01:17.37 | bleetah | just remember to /gquit when they start mentioning fosters as an aussie beer |
| 01:17.44 | WobWork | *shudder* |
| 01:18.00 | kahdgarxi | what? you mean foster's isn't actually australian for beer?! |
| 01:18.03 | WobWork | unlike most countries, we export the crappy beer and keep the good stuff |
| 01:18.25 | bleetah | kahdgarxi: nah, it's aussie for 'rat's urine' |
| 01:18.29 | kahdgarxi | ki |
| 01:18.32 | kahdgarxi | lol |
| 01:18.32 | bleetah | but in a far less... friendly set of words |
| 01:19.44 | bleetah | real aussies drink Coopers |
| 01:22.46 | bleetah | which goes to show how few real aussies are left in the world ;) |
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| 01:34.59 | norgs | also, in Australia, we don't have any Outback Steakhouses... |
| 01:35.05 | norgs | SBT |
| 01:35.34 | kahdgarxi | mmmm |
| 01:35.35 | kahdgarxi | steak |
| 01:36.02 | norgs | "Foster's Group Limited is a global premium-branded beverage company dedicated to delivering quality products enjoyed by millions around the world every day." |
| 01:36.03 | bleetah | and we leave our roadkill for the flies |
| 01:36.19 | norgs | notice that they don't mention any actual aussies drinking it |
| 01:36.59 | bleetah | the only fosters we'd touch, would be their seperate wine divisions |
| 01:37.20 | norgs | they don't even actually bother to try to sell it to aussies |
| 01:37.21 | bleetah | and I know a few peeps who stay away from them on mere princpal of 'don't encourage the bastards' |
| 01:38.15 | norgs | i do believe if anyone in australia saw you even holding a stubby, you'd get stoned to death |
| 01:38.23 | Tain | Is the US still banning the import of vegemite? |
| 01:38.55 | norgs | think so... you can't apparently have folate in anything that's not bread for some strange reason. |
| 01:39.13 | norgs | it's not like it's good for you or anything, |
| 01:39.39 | Tain | Crazy ass crackers. |
| 01:40.30 | Tain | I work for a company whose base is in Australia, it's a pain in the ass to have to work with people there. I have to stick around until 6 at night to catch them at like 8am. |
| 01:40.37 | norgs | "There is no ban on Vegemite," US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) spokesman Mike Herndon said. |
| 01:40.48 | Neuro_Medivh_ | you know that the Vegemite brand is actually owned by a US company? |
| 01:41.14 | Tain | Down with the US! |
| 01:41.21 | norgs | Kraft |
| 01:41.28 | bleetah | I worked for a company who's base was in Aus, EU office in Dublin and I was in continental Europe and many senior management always in the US. I think Tain doesn't know the true concept of 'pain in the ass' ;) |
| 01:41.37 | norgs | anyhow... apparently the ban only applies to added folate |
| 01:41.51 | Tain | hah I was always trying to get them to send me to the Dublin offices. |
| 01:42.11 | Tain | I told them I'd even take my paycheck in beer. |
| 01:42.13 | norgs | since vegemite's folate comes from the ingredients and is not actuall "added" to the product, it's ok |
| 01:42.51 | norgs | still, bloody disgusting stuff, but it keeps the mozzies away, so whatcha gonna do? |
| 01:42.59 | bleetah | mate of mine's mum used to work at the vegemite factory. she swore blind it's natural colour is approxiamtely that of a faded pair of blue denim jeans. |
| 01:43.33 | Tain | It's people! Vegemite is people! |
| 01:44.06 | bleetah | mmm Skippy burgers++ |
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| 02:01.09 | Corrodias | what's a stubby? |
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| 02:01.35 | ^Alleyria | Are you refering to part of the "Auctioneer" {ack? |
| 02:01.38 | Corrodias | re: australia |
| 02:01.39 | ^Alleyria | pack* |
| 02:01.43 | Corrodias | no |
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| 02:19.10 | Nom- | bah anyone here good with vba ? |
| 02:19.22 | Corrodias | visual boy advance? |
| 02:19.32 | Corrodias | virtual? something like that |
| 02:19.34 | Corrodias | it's been a long time |
| 02:20.24 | Nom- | visual basica |
| 02:20.32 | Corrodias | what's the 'a' for? |
| 02:20.34 | Nom- | s/basica/basic |
| 02:20.36 | Nom- | s/basica/basic/ |
| 02:20.55 | Nom- | visual basic (for applications) |
| 02:21.02 | Nom- | as in the embedded version that's in excel |
| 02:22.16 | Corrodias | no idea how to use it, sorry |
| 02:22.37 | Nom- | *sigh* |
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| 02:30.11 | Cairenn | "and now for something completely different ..." |
| 02:30.14 | Taktaal | so the usual method to get your addon listed on wowace.com is to upload it to SVN, did i understand that right? |
| 02:32.30 | nevcairiel | right |
| 02:32.45 | Cairenn | I am looking for someone that: a) has some time available; b) knows and loves LotR; and c) knows our sites well - need a hand with something I'm working on, if anyone is willing |
| 02:33.41 | Corrodias | i have no time, am only partially familiar with the books, and don't know anything about web administration or design. |
| 02:34.38 | Taktaal | ash nazg gimbatuul |
| 02:34.45 | Taktaal | agh burzuumishi krimpatul |
| 02:34.56 | ^Alleyria | yeah. |
| 02:35.09 | Cairenn | not web admin or design, more about our sites, the types of things we allow, etc |
| 02:35.17 | Cairenn | someone that is used to the way we do things |
| 02:38.53 | zenzelezz | for the LotR MMO? |
| 02:39.03 | Cairenn | sort of |
| 02:41.41 | Tain | It couldn't be about the LOTR MMO! That's still under NDA! So it would have to be something... related. :) |
| 02:42.36 | zenzelezz | if I wasn't so opposed to the movies and games... :-x |
| 02:43.15 | Corrodias | there's nothing that says i can't make a fansite about a game that hasn't been released. if the publisher doesn't let out information, then i won't have much to put on it, is all. |
| 02:43.53 | Tierrie|Work | heh for some reason two departments in my company are feuding and they decided to use reply all in their emails |
| 02:43.56 | Tierrie|Work | i am very amused |
| 02:44.12 | WobWork | Corrodias: It could be a page with a blinking marquee of "SQUEEE" |
| 02:47.43 | Corrodias | our realm is one that might get split up due to population |
| 02:49.21 | WobWork | ditto |
| 02:49.29 | WobWork | Alas Argent Dawn =( |
| 02:49.54 | WobWork | <insert lame joke about the break of day> |
| 02:51.56 | zenzelezz | I almost hope mine gets split |
| 02:52.08 | zenzelezz | with characters newer than x months get moved |
| 02:52.50 | Corrodias | each player chooses where his characters go |
| 02:53.03 | Corrodias | and you get two new realms. i doubt it has "the original" and "the new one" |
| 02:53.32 | Corrodias | that is, two new realm names. they wouldn't be so foolish as to name one of the new ones the same as the old one. |
| 02:54.33 | WobWork | Argent Dawn |
| 02:54.36 | WobWork | Argent Dusk |
| 02:54.46 | WobWork | Blackrock |
| 02:54.48 | WobWork | WhiteRock |
| 02:55.01 | zenzelezz | Silvermoon, Bronzemoon? |
| 02:55.15 | WobWork | See? =) |
| 03:00.03 | zenzelezz | ... |
| 03:00.18 | Tain | Save the cheerleader, save the world. |
| 03:01.26 | WobWork | I'd possibly like to watch Heros |
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| 03:23.42 | Tain | Studio 60 is great. |
| 03:25.26 | zenzelezz | what's that? |
| 03:25.28 | cladhaire | I agree |
| 03:25.33 | cladhaire | Bravo had a run of ti last night |
| 03:26.19 | Tain | New episode tonight. Not even half-way through and I loves it. |
| 03:27.40 | Thrae | Tain: Of what? I'm scrolling up and not seeing it :D |
| 03:27.53 | zenzelezz | scrolling? |
| 03:29.55 | Thunder_Child | he is talking about heros |
| 03:30.09 | Tain | No I'm on to Studio 60 now. |
| 03:30.23 | Thunder_Child | you just said new episode |
| 03:30.30 | Tain | I was refraining from mentioning Heroes. |
| 03:30.47 | Tain | Yes, new episode of Studio 60. |
| 03:30.59 | Thunder_Child | oh...odd |
| 03:31.52 | Tain | Mainly because Heroes was pretty... ehn. Just an uneventful lead in to the next set of episodes. |
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| 03:32.11 | Thunder_Child | i'm watching Jack of all Trades atm |
| 03:32.45 | Thrae | I hate today's dramas and sitcoms. TV has really gone off-track in my opinion...or maybe I've just grown up beyond simplistic dialog. |
| 03:33.54 | Tain | Studio 60, in my opinion, is better than most. And funny. And it even has an ex-Friends guy and it overcomes that. |
| 03:34.53 | Thunder_Child | oh it's a show.....i just thought you were mistypeing studio 6.0 |
| 03:35.52 | Corrodias | this is pathetic |
| 03:35.57 | Thrae | Friends is one of the sitcoms I don't like. |
| 03:35.57 | Corrodias | my druid is so not ready for outland |
| 03:36.13 | Corrodias | he can't even kill a single level 61 boar without stopping to heal |
| 03:36.29 | Corrodias | or maybe i need to respec full feral just to have a chance |
| 03:36.40 | Thrae | Corrodias needs a Druid Boot Camp! |
| 03:36.51 | WobWork | Corrodias: Mangle. You know you wanna |
| 03:38.25 | Thrae | Corrodias: How have you been killing things up until now? |
| 03:39.24 | Corrodias | cat form. ravage/pounce, tiger's fury, shreds, & ferocious bite, mostly. |
| 03:39.37 | Corrodias | er, claws |
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| 03:41.08 | Corrodias | that one death cost me 40s :/ |
| 03:41.55 | WobWork | never fear |
| 03:42.02 | WobWork | gold falls from the sky in the xpac =P |
| 03:43.10 | Thrae | Corrodias: Resto. Druids have the worst time leveling because they have little enhancements in their attacking ability. Without attack specialization, they are forced to use EVERYTHING in order to take down monsters. It will be very rare you ever see a Feral Druid Rooting + Starfire'ing something to death, or a Balance Druid killing something in Cat or Bear Form. Resto or Hybrid builds are forced to use a larger variety of abiliti |
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| 03:43.50 | iRRVi | heys |
| 03:44.03 | iRRVi | I cant get this / command to work |
| 03:44.57 | Corrodias | this guy |
| 03:45.17 | Corrodias | you know, i really don't want to talk about it |
| 03:45.26 | Corrodias | forget him. back to druids. |
| 03:45.50 | Corrodias | a variety, yay... |
| 03:47.41 | Thrae | Corrodias: Remember that a Boar is closer to a Warrior, it has high defense and attack. You don't attack a Warrior in Cat Form. |
| 03:47.53 | Corrodias | i don't pvp |
| 03:48.08 | Corrodias | i really don't know what you do to a warrior |
| 03:48.08 | Thrae | OK, well then... |
| 03:48.22 | Corrodias | if it has both high defense -and- attack, i'm fucked |
| 03:48.36 | Corrodias | my bear form has moderate defense and low attack, and my cat form has low defense and high attack |
| 03:49.35 | Thrae | Corrodias: Bear Form is for enemies that have high attack power, defense, and are immune/highly resistant to roots. You're looking at a long-ass fight there. Keeping roots, along with Nature's Grasp, is key in these cases. |
| 03:50.10 | Thrae | Corrodias: In all cases where you have high attack, with a Resto. Druid, you want to be rooting + Moonfire + Starfire. |
| 03:50.48 | Thrae | Corrodias: I've read reports Entangling Roots got a silent buff in the latest patch, it may serve you well. |
| 03:50.56 | Corrodias | that would take years |
| 03:51.24 | Corrodias | but i have to try it |
| 03:52.00 | Corrodias | it's a damn good thing people can respec, even if it costs ridiculous amounts of money for low-income players |
| 03:52.04 | Thrae | Corrodias: The life of a Resto Druid, a Holy Paladin, a Holy Priest, a Resto Shaman, all are slow, slow levelers |
| 03:52.04 | Corrodias | or nobody would be healing |
| 03:52.29 | Corrodias | just kidding. i was doing okay before outland. |
| 03:53.05 | WobWork | It's true |
| 03:53.09 | WobWork | I respecced to shadow |
| 03:53.14 | dvorakkey | dots are better than straight damage against high armor |
| 03:53.15 | WobWork | It's horrifically effective |
| 03:53.16 | Corrodias | so what i wonder is why it's made harder for us to level |
| 03:53.25 | WobWork | I melt faces like -nothing- else |
| 03:53.32 | Thrae | Corrodias: You need to pick a spec you're good at and stick with it. Going 41 Resto for Druids, in my opinion, is silly. |
| 03:53.33 | WobWork | and can deal with multiple higherlevel mobs |
| 03:53.37 | WobWork | it's scary |
| 03:53.42 | Corrodias | i'm a very silly guy |
| 03:53.55 | Thrae | Corrodias: Resto Druids level slow for one simple reason -- we can do it all. |
| 03:54.03 | Corrodias | -i- couldn't do it all |
| 03:54.11 | Corrodias | but maybe i just suck |
| 03:54.36 | Thrae | Corrodias: For DPS, Priests are forced to use ranged spell attacks. Paladins and Shamans are forced into melee. Druids have the power of ranged AND melee. |
| 03:54.38 | Corrodias | i couldn't tank worth anything because i didn't have the talents points for it, although i admit my cat form was sufficient, at least in Azeroth |
| 03:54.41 | zenzelezz | the boars in Hellfire are tough bastards, don't judge solely from them |
| 03:55.08 | Thrae | Corrodias: Because Druids have both ranged AND melee, our ranged and our melee suck compared to a Paladin, Shaman, or Priest. |
| 03:55.26 | Corrodias | i keep being punished for choosing this class. argh. |
| 03:55.33 | Corrodias | nah, i'm just whining |
| 03:55.40 | Thrae | We need to pick one or the other, or we're looking at less DPS then the other healers. |
| 03:55.42 | Corrodias | pay me no heed. i'll work something out. |
| 03:55.45 | Shadowed | Thrae: Ranged attacks *with* no dead zone, so they can attack in melee range |
| 03:55.50 | zenzelezz | I'm in an interesting situation |
| 03:56.00 | zenzelezz | I'm leveling my warrior on prot spec, and everyone except me is whining about it |
| 03:56.01 | Thrae | Shadowed: The classes I mentioned have no dead zone... |
| 03:56.36 | Shadowed | only paladin spells that are ranged I believe are HOJ, Shield thingy (talent), Holy Shock (talent)? |
| 03:56.47 | Thrae | Shadowed: I said Shamans and Paladins were built for melee |
| 03:56.53 | Thrae | Priests are built for ranged |
| 03:57.28 | dvorakkey | likewise, druids have different forms for different purposes |
| 03:57.36 | Shadowed | zenzelezz tell them to stop whining |
| 03:57.52 | Shadowed | Shamans aren't built for melee though Thrae |
| 03:58.24 | Shadowed | they can spec to melee, but they aren't forced into it |
| 03:59.17 | Thrae | Corrodias: Look, you were never doing anything wrong. Think of your current situation as having completed the general requirements for your college education, and now you need to pick a major and a minor. |
| 03:59.19 | Corrodias | i think maybe i can handle pretending to be a moonkin while actually being all specced for healing |
| 03:59.27 | Shadowed | Corrodias honestly |
| 03:59.49 | Shadowed | you're being to critical about yourself, stop worrying so much and just play how you want to, you'll learn as you play :p |
| 03:59.55 | Thrae | Shadowed: Shamans can't effectively attack mostly from range. |
| 04:00.17 | Thrae | Note that I am not considering their Shocks as "ranged attacks" ;) |
| 04:00.44 | Shadowed | They have an entire tree that improves there spells which are 20-30 yard range |
| 04:01.19 | Corrodias | i did say i was just whining |
| 04:01.40 | Corrodias | although i'd like to note that "just playing how i want to" just got me killed |
| 04:01.50 | Shadowed | learn from how you died and fix it! |
| 04:01.53 | Thrae | Shadowed: True, but even a Balance Druid is better then a "Ranged Shaman" ;) |
| 04:01.55 | Corrodias | i do need to change something. |
| 04:02.11 | Shadowed | Balance Druids are better then Mages at 70 |
| 04:02.41 | Thrae | Nah, both are still gear dependant |
| 04:03.07 | Shadowed | eh? |
| 04:03.12 | Corrodias | that doesn't make any sense |
| 04:03.25 | Thrae | Balance Druids have always needed to stack a large amount of +Damage to be effective. |
| 04:03.33 | Corrodias | mages are specifically designed for spell damage. druids aren't supposed to be better than any other class at what they're designed for. |
| 04:03.56 | Corrodias | i've been in plenty of painful discussions about that |
| 04:04.06 | Shadowed | mmm lesse if i can find that old post |
| 04:04.22 | Thrae | Corrodias: He's probably talking about overall, since Druids can heal and Mages can't, and Druids get an extra form of CC |
| 04:04.49 | Shadowed | No i'm not actually trying to find the post by a Druid guildie |
| 04:05.07 | Corrodias | an extra form of CC? |
| 04:05.11 | Thrae | Cyclone |
| 04:05.19 | Corrodias | oh, i think i heard about that |
| 04:05.30 | Thrae | 6-sec incapacitate, I think Level 68 or 66? |
| 04:06.17 | Shadowed | "Druids still lack the impressive nuking arsenal that other DPS classes have in pvp but it does shed more light on well geared Moonkin's in pve as far as sustained DPS." |
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| 04:06.56 | Thrae | The one thing a Druid lacks for ANY role is threat control. We do not have the threat reducers that Priests, Mages, and Rogues have. |
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| 04:07.24 | Thrae | Specifically abilities and talents. |
| 04:07.31 | Shadowed | Threat isn't much issue |
| 04:07.43 | Shadowed | er, much of an issue |
| 04:08.03 | Xuerian | It is when you're not specced healing, for healing 5-mans. |
| 04:08.04 | Thrae | Eh, depends on the instance. Usually not, as we learn the new BC instances. |
| 04:08.25 | Shadowed | Xuerian thats not really related to that |
| 04:08.28 | Corrodias | it doesn't matter when soloing in pve |
| 04:08.34 | Thrae | Xuerian: Threat generation for healing is different for Druids then all the other classes. |
| 04:08.34 | Shadowed | we're talking about threat from damage, not threat from healing |
| 04:08.57 | Xuerian | I believe it's time for me to sneak away quietly now <.< |
| 04:09.00 | Shadowed | haha |
| 04:09.39 | Thrae | Xuerian: We rely on HoTs, not any big heal numbers. So we need to monitor our threat level per second vs the threat generated, not when our Warrior is going to dump some rage. |
| 04:09.40 | Shadowed | The only time you'll see threat being much of a problem is if we get fights like the drakes in BWL, but overall being smart when you're DPSing will help you alot more |
| 04:10.07 | Shadowed | the DPS classes still get aggro even with threat reduction because they aren't smart with managing damage/aggro |
| 04:10.50 | Xuerian | Thrae, I know. My main is a druid. But relying on hots or not, if you're solo healing a group - because druids ALWAYS heal, no matter what spec they say they are <cough> - large heals will have to be popped sometimes. |
| 04:11.12 | Corrodias | there's not much you can do about threat as a healer, as far as i'm aware |
| 04:11.17 | Thrae | Xuerian: Bah your PUGs suck :D |
| 04:11.19 | Corrodias | if you don't heal the guy, he's dying and you're probably wiping |
| 04:11.21 | Shadowed | Resto talents to reduce threat |
| 04:11.25 | Xuerian | Thrae: Ok, I can't argue that |
| 04:11.27 | Thrae | I don't heal much anymore on my server |
| 04:11.29 | Shadowed | In 5 mans, you can taunt about 99% of the mobs |
| 04:11.47 | Corrodias | what i MEAN is that, as a healer, there's not much during combat that i can do to manage threat |
| 04:12.08 | Corrodias | if i don't heal, we're fucked. it's a poor alternative to drawing aggro with too much healing. |
| 04:12.48 | Thrae | Corrodias: Managing threat as a healer is timing when to heal and for how much, trying to mentally sync with your main tank for when he has enough rage to dump against the mobs to save your healing ass. |
| 04:12.50 | Shadowed | You should never have to use a large heal in a 5 man right at the start, last I checked the threat from healing is halfed so a 3,000 heal (with no overhealing) is 1,500 threat |
| 04:13.29 | Thrae | That's what I am talking about, anyway. |
| 04:13.35 | Corrodias | ...but if he's dead before he has enough rage, it doesn't help anybody |
| 04:13.40 | Shadowed | only time it's really a problem are in some of the dungeons with 4-6 mobs per a pull in which case even if you have -threat talents from the resto tree it wont really help you |
| 04:13.44 | Corrodias | you mean trying to hold off until he spends some? |
| 04:14.17 | Xuerian | Shadowed: They could make the difference between the mobs going for the AoE'ing mage/lock and you, but yes, I agree for the majority. |
| 04:14.19 | Shadowed | no, i mean if your tank needs to be healed for 3-4k right into the fight you have other issues, you'll still have to use a large heal eventually but by the time you do they should have enough threat it wont matter |
| 04:14.44 | Shadowed | Xuerian: Talking about Druid healing not classes AEing =p |
| 04:15.13 | Xuerian | Yes, but your situation involves a group, and most groups aren't just a warrior and a druid :P |
| 04:15.13 | Thrae | Corrodias: The healer dying is always a bigger concern then the Warrior dying. A Rogue can finish off a mob or two with healing better then a Warrior and a Rogue could without...at least for a Druid, Paladin, or Shaman, since they can take the hits. Priests are screwed. |
| 04:15.16 | Corrodias | i don't envy tanks their job. i don't think i could do it. |
| 04:15.24 | Shadowed | It sucks |
| 04:15.40 | Thrae | Well Priests are screwed IF Fade doesn't dump their aggro |
| 04:15.45 | Shadowed | if a mage is AEing 4-6 elites with one tank Xuerian, no amount of threat will save them :p |
| 04:16.32 | Xuerian | Like thrae says, better the others die, then the healer :3 |
| 04:16.32 | Shadowed | I never had issues with aggro in 5 mans and I was shadow spec....except for when i was in shadow form |
| 04:16.40 | Xuerian | That's kindof like me bringing up the non-healing specced druid healing, isn't it |
| 04:16.41 | Xuerian | XD |
| 04:16.55 | Shadowed | Well Thrae said that priests are screwed if Fade doesn't dump their aggro |
| 04:17.15 | Corrodias | everybody tells me that high-end Restoration talents are just silly |
| 04:17.34 | Corrodias | i rather like the sound of some of them. :/ |
| 04:17.39 | Shadowed | for what, raiding or 5 mans? |
| 04:17.55 | Xuerian | They're in no way silly for raids, any help is help for healing |
| 04:18.00 | zenzelezz | why care what others say if you find them interesting? |
| 04:18.02 | Shadowed | Xuerian: What about Natural Perfection :p |
| 04:18.25 | Xuerian | Shadowed: Details are things I can't be arsed to concern myself with when I'm speaking out my ass. |
| 04:18.28 | Xuerian | So hush. |
| 04:18.29 | Thrae | Corrodias: Restoration talents for Druids are in there for a reason. They are there for group makeups that need that extra healing. If most of your groups/raids need that extra healing, then it's not silly. |
| 04:18.32 | Shadowed | haha |
| 04:18.45 | Corrodias | then why did you say it's silly to get them? |
| 04:18.47 | zenzelezz | Xuerian: that's genius :) |
| 04:18.52 | Shadowed | Corrodias because they are wrong |
| 04:18.57 | Corrodias | i care because i like to research classes to find out what's effective and what isn't |
| 04:19.16 | zenzelezz | I gave up that long ago when I realized that every guide I ever saw was biased |
| 04:19.18 | Thrae | Corrodias: Because from what you've been saying, your group makeups aren't like that. |
| 04:19.22 | Corrodias | they have more experience automatically, at the beginning, because i have never played the class |
| 04:19.32 | Corrodias | i haven't mentioned groups. so far i've only mentioned soloing. |
| 04:19.37 | Shadowed | Theirs only 4 talents that aren't useful for a healing druid in PvE. Omen of clarity, furor, natural perfection and one more i forgot |
| 04:19.46 | Thrae | Corrodias: We talked about this before :) |
| 04:20.00 | Corrodias | in most of my groups, i'm the only healer |
| 04:20.13 | Shadowed | Make them yourself |
| 04:20.29 | Corrodias | except the occasion when ich comes along and keeps everyone alive with his vampiric embrace and i get to sit around doing nothing until he's out of mana |
| 04:20.30 | Shadowed | I usually try to find a healer so i can DPS, but when I can't I just suck it up and heal |
| 04:20.47 | Shadowed | It's hard to keep people up with VE if the mobs die to quickly :( |
| 04:21.33 | Corrodias | i can see that your perspectives on what is useful and what isn't are based mostly on healing only when you have to. i love it, personally, and do it whenever i can, so i think you may be right that i have to disregard your advice for the most part. |
| 04:22.01 | Xuerian | Corrodias: What do you spec, overall? |
| 04:22.07 | Thrae | Corrodias: That doesn't mean your groups requires a Restoration Druid's specific healing abilities. Most of your groups may just be fine without those talents. For instance, I used to have Nature's Swiftness and 31 in Restoration (with the rest in Feral), and now I'm full Feral. Because I went through a leveled a Druid through both Restoration and Feral, I had the opportunity to see which I liked more. |
| 04:22.55 | Shadowed | Well, the ones I listed are only useful for a feral Druid really, Natural Perfection is only helpful for PVP most of the time |
| 04:22.55 | Thrae | Of course, I'm not saying make a new Druid and level up with only Feral to Level 50...THAT would be silly. Like me, as I did just that, as I am silly. I also have a Balance Druid too, each on different servers ;) |
| 04:23.00 | Corrodias | specific healing abilities... heh, i have been a silly person indeed, because i used to always try to use Healing Touch when i could, because it was the most mana-efficient |
| 04:23.28 | Corrodias | from what i can tell, i did all right |
| 04:24.36 | Xuerian | Corrodias: It purely depends on your group. |
| 04:24.42 | Thrae | Well Healing Touch is a basic ability, and isn't really buffed by Restoration as much as our Heal-Over-Time spells are. 41/10 in Balance/Resto buffs Healing Touch more then x/41 in Restoration, really. |
| 04:25.27 | Corrodias | i haven't played my druid in the xpac much yet |
| 04:25.33 | Xuerian | Ok, so not purely. <.< |
| 04:25.36 | Corrodias | i didn't have HoT-enhancing talents. |
| 04:25.40 | Thrae | Since you like Healing Touch so much, maybe putting more into Balance would be more fun for you? It'll reduce the cost of your Healing Touch while also drastically increasing your spell damage. |
| 04:25.42 | Shadowed | You can buff HT alot from Resto talents :p |
| 04:26.23 | Shadowed | Naturalist, Empowered Touch, Tranquil Spirit all improve it |
| 04:26.31 | Thrae | Shadowed: Well, I'm talking tradeoff of getting spell buffs vs what Resto buffs. If you don't use HoTs a lot, then Balance is better by far |
| 04:27.40 | Thrae | Balance reduces Healing Touch mana cost further, drastically increases overall mana regeneration, and Nature's Grace can reduce HT's casting time further |
| 04:27.41 | WobWork | hm |
| 04:27.43 | Corrodias | uh.. what part of Balance enhances HT? |
| 04:27.49 | WobWork | Is VE boosted by both +heal and +shadow? |
| 04:27.57 | Shadowed | it's not boosted by either |
| 04:28.01 | WobWork | alas |
| 04:28.15 | WobWork | well, it's returning a percentage of shadow damage |
| 04:28.20 | Shadowed | it's simply a percentage of your shadow damage done converted into healing...so technically the more +shadow gear you have the more it heals, but not directly |
| 04:28.37 | Thrae | Corrodias: One of the talents reduces the mana cost of various damage and healing spells, including HT, by up to -20% |
| 04:28.41 | WobWork | yeah, so +heal won't affect that value? |
| 04:28.46 | Shadowed | correct |
| 04:28.52 | WobWork | oh well |
| 04:29.03 | WobWork | more weight to me getting more damage gear =P |
| 04:29.30 | Shadowed | You could always stack more spell crit if you want to see VE crit more =p |
| 04:29.53 | Thrae | Corrodias: The general spell crit bonuses from Balance should also work for HT |
| 04:31.28 | Corrodias | Moonglow? only reduces the cost by 9% |
| 04:34.17 | WobWork | that's a free cast every 11 casts =) |
| 04:34.24 | WobWork | well, 'extra' |
| 04:34.26 | WobWork | not free |
| 04:34.29 | Corrodias | i thought he said 20% |
| 04:34.37 | Thrae | Corrodias: Look at this build -- http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=MtMrzicsxuZZxtczxa |
| 04:36.01 | Thrae | Corrodias: That's a more Healing-oriented Balance/Resto Hybrid build. |
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| 04:37.47 | Corrodias | i see Nature's Reach |
| 04:38.12 | Corrodias | hodamn, i just realized that i don't know how balance druids deal with needing water |
| 04:38.51 | Thrae | That focuses more on the mana efficiency of Healing Touch then it does HoTs with a combined 19% reduction in its cost, -0.5 casting time, and possible Nature's Grace for another -0.5 casting time |
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| 04:40.37 | Thrae | Corrodias: If you look at all the talents on the Balance side, you can see how maximizing your Intellect can help you get insane amounts of mana efficiency. |
| 04:41.46 | WobWork | hum |
| 04:41.46 | Corrodias | is there a good argument for Nature's Reach? otherwise i think i might rather have those two in Improved Nature's Grasp, depending on how useful that thing is |
| 04:41.51 | WobWork | what's the 'pushback'? |
| 04:41.56 | WobWork | involved with Wrath? |
| 04:42.00 | Thrae | Transferring in and out of Moonkin form can be basically free if you get off a few wacks on an enemy |
| 04:42.09 | Thrae | WobWork: Pushback effects are like when you are hit into the air |
| 04:42.12 | Corrodias | knockbacks from certain enemy attacks, i suppose |
| 04:42.52 | WobWork | what a bizarre talent |
| 04:42.56 | Corrodias | what of this? http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=MtrrzVcsxuZZxxctxo |
| 04:43.01 | Thrae | Corrodias: Increasing the range of your Balance spells means, for example, you can Faerie Fire from the same range as you heal. That's far more useful to either a Resto or Balance build |
| 04:43.07 | WobWork | granted, there are no lowering talents for casttime for wrath are there? |
| 04:43.18 | Corrodias | faerie fire has never excited me much |
| 04:43.20 | Thrae | WobWork: Uhhh, it's a Tier 1 Talent for Balance |
| 04:43.37 | Thrae | Corrodias: Well it also works with Entangling Roots and the upcoming Cyclone... |
| 04:43.53 | Thrae | With CCs, you want to CC them as far away as possible |
| 04:44.19 | Thrae | Basically, Improved Nature's Grasp sucks for anything other then PvP. |
| 04:44.22 | WobWork | >< |
| 04:44.31 | Thrae | Since Nature's Grasp can only proc outdoors, to start with. |
| 04:44.33 | Corrodias | hmm |
| 04:44.55 | Corrodias | i haven't been convinced these range-increasing talents really give you that much more range |
| 04:45.10 | Thrae | Corrodias: It's better then the alternatives for that Tier |
| 04:45.24 | Corrodias | oh, wait, that's 20% with two points |
| 04:45.34 | Corrodias | i thought it was just 10%. i'm sold. |
| 04:45.36 | Thrae | Yep |
| 04:46.48 | Corrodias | with that... i should be nearly as effective at healing as i used to be (though not as good as i could be), plus have a lot more ability to fend for myself in combat |
| 04:47.09 | Thrae | Corrodias: If you've mostly been using Healing Touch, you'll probably be better at healing |
| 04:48.09 | Thrae | Corrodias: Drastically increased mana regeneration, further reduced HT cost (by 9%), increased +Healing, more bonuses for Healing criticals |
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| 04:49.05 | Thrae | Corrodias: And unlike a Feral/Resto build, you basically need one set for PvE -- + Spell/Healing damage and the most +Int you can find. |
| 04:49.22 | Thrae | The more Int you have with this build, far more powerful you become. |
| 04:50.01 | Corrodias | nice |
| 04:50.17 | Corrodias | i've been focusing all on +int and +healing during my item gathering |
| 04:52.15 | Corrodias | i need to find an acceptable level 60 version of that spec, then |
| 04:53.22 | Thrae | Corrodias: Oops, I thought that was Level 60 |
| 04:53.52 | Corrodias | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=MtMrzicshzZZxxckx |
| 04:55.51 | Thrae | Corrodias: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=0tMrzicshzZZxtczx <-- then level up to 61 to get NS |
| 04:57.31 | Corrodias | agreed |
| 04:58.05 | WobWork | hehe, I could never do a druid effectively |
| 04:58.09 | WobWork | too much to handle |
| 04:58.12 | Thrae | I'm not trying to force the "perfect" build here on you Corrodias, just trying to make sure you know that. I'm trying to help you find out which build would help you have the most fun :) |
| 04:58.28 | Corrodias | yeah, thanks |
| 04:59.20 | Thrae | Your playstyle won't change with this build except the lack of NS until you get to Level 61 |
| 04:59.36 | Thrae | However, it --should--, since Moonkin form can make things very different |
| 05:00.00 | Thrae | For instance, you can use downtime in fights to run around wacking things in Moonkin to regenerate mana. Which means you will need a high DPS weapon. |
| 05:00.19 | Thrae | Balance Druids are the only spec where DPS on our weapon is important :D |
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| 05:01.19 | Cairenn | well that was annoying, Gaim decided to crash for no apparent reason |
| 05:01.37 | Thrae | Cairenn: I find it likes to do that. 1.5 or beta? |
| 05:01.53 | Corrodias | interesting |
| 05:02.53 | Cairenn | Thrae: latest beta |
| 05:03.22 | WobWork | yeah happens to me occasionally = |
| 05:03.23 | WobWork | \ |
| 05:03.57 | Thrae | I use irssi through PuTTY and screen myself. |
| 05:06.12 | Kirkburn|afk | Is it known it's a patch day? |
| 05:06.21 | Kirkburn|afk | http://blue.cardplace.com/newcache/forums.worldofwarcraft.com/69843152.htm |
| 05:06.43 | Corrodias | let's see... i've never used balance spells too much |
| 05:08.05 | Cairenn | Kirkburn|afk: aye, it's on the login screen |
| 05:08.19 | Kirkburn|afk | =) |
| 05:08.25 | Kirkburn|afk | 2.0.6 I guess |
| 05:09.49 | Thrae | You know, I'm glad there are free servers around now. This means if I still enjoy WoW in 10-odd years, there's a better chance I could still play it. |
| 05:10.35 | Thrae | At the current rate of technology, in 10 years the options will probably involve virtual reality ;) |
| 05:12.42 | Kirkburn|afk | Blizz have stated they can't see a future without WoW - not even in 25 years :P |
| 05:12.56 | Kirkburn|afk | Plus stealing is bad mmkay |
| 05:13.24 | Thrae | Kirkburn|afk: That's what 3DO and Origins said. |
| 05:13.51 | Kirkburn|afk | What games? |
| 05:13.53 | Corrodias | i have to learn a new style of combat here |
| 05:13.57 | Corrodias | and buy some water... |
| 05:14.03 | Kirkburn|afk | They didn't have an 8 million player base though, of course :P |
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| 05:14.40 | Thrae | I don't agree with people playing free servers over paying, but it's good we have the technology for a decade or two from now. |
| 05:14.57 | Thrae | Kirkburn|afk: Meridian 59 and Ultima Online. |
| 05:15.21 | Thrae | If you want an example of an aging MMORPG which had a player base almost as large as WoW, then take Lineage |
| 05:15.42 | Kirkburn|afk | Ultima isn't dead |
| 05:16.12 | Kirkburn|afk | I'm confused as to your point :( |
| 05:16.16 | Thrae | The new Ultima Online doesn't have much left in common to the original |
| 05:16.28 | Kirkburn|afk | Oh right, but it still exists, no? :) |
| 05:16.35 | Kirkburn|afk | Almost 10 years now |
| 05:16.46 | Kirkburn|afk | (September 25, 1997) |
| 05:16.48 | Thrae | Well, that's like saying EQ2 exists, so why haxx0r EQ |
| 05:17.51 | Kirkburn|afk | Yup, I was right. I didn't understand your point, think I do know though |
| 05:18.23 | Thrae | Why play Diablo when you can play multi-player nethack for free! |
| 05:18.26 | Kirkburn|afk | My point is, WoW ain't going anywhere for a loong time |
| 05:20.18 | Corrodias | starfire looks like something you use to open against ranged attackers... |
| 05:20.49 | Corrodias | and not otherwise |
| 05:20.53 | Thrae | Corrodias: Depends. When you learn how to Root, it'll be your staple. |
| 05:21.03 | Corrodias | as opposed to wrath? why? |
| 05:21.36 | Thrae | Because spamming Starfire is far more mana efficient then spamming Wrath if you're not under attack. |
| 05:21.54 | Corrodias | far? ooh |
| 05:22.18 | Thrae | Corrodias: Think of Wrath like a Regrowth, and Starfire the Healing Touch |
| 05:22.59 | Corrodias | nice. |
| 05:23.14 | Thrae | And Moonfire the Rejuvination! Actually, there are some good parallels with Druids. |
| 05:24.39 | Corrodias | regaining mana, not fun |
| 05:24.55 | Thrae | Corrodias: Remember -- there is no diminishing returns in PvE, which is why you want to Root, root, root. Hence why I had that 2/3 for 70% less chance of interruption for casting Roots and Cyclone (the latter will be even more useful) |
| 05:25.27 | Corrodias | indeed |
| 05:25.34 | zenzelezz | I have to admit I'm a bit unsure about what exactly "diminishing return" means |
| 05:25.38 | Thrae | Yeah Balance Druids have downtime like all mana-dependant specs |
| 05:26.11 | Corrodias | diminishing returns refers to the phenomenon when putting more effort or resources into something gives you less value than it did at lower levels |
| 05:26.30 | Corrodias | that is, rooting someone a 5th time has a much shorter duration, if any, than the first time |
| 05:26.39 | zenzelezz | that's odd |
| 05:26.48 | zenzelezz | my Revenge Stun gets shorter every time on the same mob |
| 05:27.21 | Thrae | zenzelezz: In PvP, each successful cast of a Stun, Fear, Snare, or Incapacitate increases that player's resistance to that type of spell for a short time. After 3 casts in a short time period, the player becomes immune for a short time. |
| 05:27.45 | zenzelezz | that's exactly what I'm seeing with my revenge stun on NPCs |
| 05:27.52 | Thrae | zenzelezz: Well for players and mobs it's different -- you'd have to be able to cast faster then global cooldown to make a mob immune |
| 05:27.55 | zenzelezz | but you say there's no such effect |
| 05:29.06 | Thrae | In other words, there are player diminishing returns and mob dimishing returns. For a Druid, they can spam roots and always have it either resisted or a successful cast in PvE. The mob can't become immune from the spam. |
| 05:30.27 | zenzelezz | is that just for regular abilities, or does it apply to procs? |
| 05:30.38 | zenzelezz | for PvE |
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| 05:34.43 | Thrae | zenzelezz: Procs too. For example, people were finding when the old PvP Knockback Two-handed Mace (Unyielding Force? I think) was changed to a Stun, it was basically making everyone immune to stuns, pissing off Paladins, as everyone was proc'ing stuns all over the place. |
| 05:35.59 | Thrae | zenzelezz: However the Paladins that were pissed off the most were those that actually had the Mace, as they were proc'ing the stuns themselves. It's hard to make an enemy in PvP immune to something and have it effect that many other people |
| 05:36.07 | zenzelezz | you'll have to pardon my harping on this; it's just that I can't seem to make it match what I'm seeing from the stun proc on my Revenge (which on the fourth proc shows as Immune) |
| 05:36.10 | Shadowed | Stuns were all classified as the same type I believe |
| 05:36.23 | Shadowed | So basically charge, intercept, TUF, HOJ, KS all had the same diminishing returns in PVP |
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| 05:36.33 | Shadowed | oh and mace talent stun |
| 05:36.40 | Thrae | zenzelezz: Mobs become immune to stun for you? |
| 05:36.43 | Thrae | Maybe I'm wrong... |
| 05:37.08 | Shadowed | err, diminishing returns were done by just being stunned, not by the ability that stunned them seperately |
| 05:37.09 | Corrodias | okay, i'm really messing up these NPCs as a moonkin |
| 05:37.13 | zenzelezz | only for a short while, and only if it procs in quick succession |
| 05:37.15 | Corrodias | they don't know what's up |
| 05:38.29 | zenzelezz | Thrae: it's only to the revenge stun proc though, I can still use Concussion Blow to stun them and such |
| 05:39.26 | Thrae | Corrodias: Heh, that's because you were Int heavy in a Resto/Feral build, and now you're Int heavy in a Balance/Resto build ;) Even for Druids, gear makes a big difference. |
| 05:39.53 | WobWork | Corrodias:They're like "OMG, I'm dying, but from who?! There's only that fat chicken over there! Ow!" |
| 05:40.10 | Thrae | As Moonkin, you can /dance on their corpses! |
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| 05:42.02 | Thrae | Corrodias: Now here's the real kicker -- as a Moonkin, it's more mana-efficient to wack Casters and other ranged enemies to death in Moonkin form. You'll have Omen of Clarity and Moonkin Mana-return procs. |
| 05:43.55 | Thrae | Corrodias: You keep Moonfire on them and put on a damaging proc on your weapon. Weapon procs DO work in Moonkin form. |
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| 05:45.20 | Corrodias | nice |
| 05:45.34 | Corrodias | insect swarm & moonfire |
| 05:45.43 | Corrodias | insect swarm looks pretty efficient |
| 05:48.54 | WobWork | well since you're actually -using- the weapon |
| 05:48.56 | WobWork | and it's not shapeshifted out into the ether |
| 05:51.32 | Thrae | Corrodias: Insect Swarm + Moonfire, yep. And Moonfire will get in a good crit rate as you keep reapplying, not to mention the free OOC procs you will use on another Moonfire. |
| 05:52.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | does fiery benefit from +dmg gear? |
| 05:52.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | if it does, :D |
| 05:52.18 | Thrae | Basically you kinda play a Balance Druid as a Paladin |
| 05:52.23 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies2: No. |
| 05:52.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | aw :[ |
| 05:56.34 | Thrae | I wonder if there will be a Burning Crusade replacement for this item -- http://www.thottbot.com/?i=53980 |
| 05:56.52 | Thrae | And I wonder if it'll only take ~50 hours of playtime to get ;) |
| 05:57.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.thottbot.com/?i=54841 |
| 05:57.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | for bear/cat at least |
| 05:58.25 | bleetah | now this is weird... sent the guild rogue a lockbox to open... I get it back. I abuse them for not opening it. they go 'sure I opened it, there's <some sword> inside'. he comes over to trade with me, opens the box up, sure enough that sword's inside. are lockboxes getting relocked in mail? |
| 05:58.44 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies2: Heh, the Legendary item is still better even for a Feral. I'd pick the +300 Healing and +mana regen over a bit of extra Strength |
| 05:59.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | whaa? |
| 05:59.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | armor too |
| 05:59.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | and +feral skill |
| 05:59.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's infinitely better for feral |
| 05:59.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | healing doesn't matter in cat, and mana regen is only marginally useful most times |
| 06:00.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | especially in a weapon |
| 06:00.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | hybrid weapons are a huge huge huge waste of item budget |
| 06:00.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | since you CAN swap them in combat |
| 06:01.01 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies2: Well for a Feral debate, I say http://www.thottbot.com/?i=59384 is better |
| 06:01.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | most likely for cat, yeah |
| 06:01.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | but for bear, nothing beats earthwarden |
| 06:01.59 | Thrae | Actually, Agility is the primary stat for Bear Tanks |
| 06:02.09 | Thrae | Primary attack stat, that is |
| 06:02.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | eh 500 armor > 27 agi any day |
| 06:02.33 | Thrae | I need to double-check my math on that one |
| 06:02.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | because |
| 06:02.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | 500*4.5*.10 |
| 06:02.58 | Thrae | But remember Dodge per Agility for Bear has been increased drastically with the last patch |
| 06:03.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's 3000 armor |
| 06:03.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | from one weapon |
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| 06:04.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | 500*5.5+10% is the right formula, sorry |
| 06:04.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | ithink at least |
| 06:04.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | unless you add the 10% to the 500 before conversion, not really sure |
| 06:04.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | either way, a ton of freakin armor |
| 06:06.03 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies2: Well, also take this into account -- http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=69801030&sid=1 |
| 06:06.13 | Thrae | Getting up to Exalted is a HUGE PITA |
| 06:06.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | supposedly just running the raid instance gets you there pretty easily |
| 06:08.05 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies2: Not according to these guys, one of which played Beta |
| 06:08.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | To get exalted the only thing you can do afaik is run steam vaults (the 70 coilfang instance) and get rep from mob kills and a random white drop (coilfang armaments the leader of the CE accepts them 1 for 25 rep) |
| 06:09.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh it looks like honored->revered is the PiTA |
| 06:09.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm guessing you get rep at honored->revered from Steam Vaults too |
| 06:10.49 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies2: Yeah, the entire thing will be one long-ass time |
| 06:11.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | eh, any repgrind worth its snuff is |
| 06:12.44 | Corrodias | so i should save quests until i'm Honored |
| 06:13.41 | Thunder_Child | i would say yes |
| 06:17.03 | Corrodias | great. visual effects like tranquility and storm clouds have become permanent, in my game, again |
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| 06:18.06 | zenzelezz | good old Devil's Dictionary |
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| 06:21.19 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies2: With Earthwarden you get at best 500/2300 armor, +24 defense, +24 skill rating, and +525 attack power. With Dreamer's Dragonstaff, you get +28/33 Health +590/469 attack power, +1.1% crit, +2% dodge, and +46 armour. The former is probably better for tanking but not DPS. |
| 06:22.08 | Thrae | And by the time you actually finish the rep grind for Earthwarden, you may be near the cap for Level 70 anyway (it wasn't that hard to hit it at Level 60) |
| 06:22.21 | Thrae | s/the cap/the armour mitigation cap/ |
| 06:23.06 | Thrae | Mr_Rabies2: Where x/y == Cat/Bear |
| 06:23.58 | a-stray-cat | anyone know what's called to show the tooltip when you mouseover a unit? |
| 06:25.15 | Thrae | a-stray-cat: UPDATE_MOUSEOVER_UNIT |
| 06:25.23 | a-stray-cat | ah. |
| 06:25.24 | a-stray-cat | thanks |
| 06:26.53 | Thrae | Specifically, tooltip:SetUnit is called BEFORE the Lua engine gets sent UPDATE_MOUSEOVER_UNIT. You can use OnTooltipSetUnit for that event, looking for when the unit == "mouseover". |
| 06:27.20 | a-stray-cat | OnTooltipSetUnit? |
| 06:27.38 | a-stray-cat | i hooked GameTooltip.SetUnit and its not called when i mouseover people :/ |
| 06:28.52 | Thrae | a-stray-cat: Like I just said...SetUnit is called by the game engine. Then the game engine sends a UPDATE_MOUSEOVER_UNIT event and also triggers OnTooltipSetUnit. |
| 06:29.35 | Thrae | a-stray-cat: The only time tooltip:SetUnit is called explicitly is when you mouseover a unit frame. |
| 06:29.37 | Xuerian | Listen to thrae. He wrote a excellent tooltip mod and knows the ground <.< |
| 06:30.03 | Thrae | Shh, my tooltip mod needs a rewrite for 2.0 |
| 06:30.19 | a-stray-cat | oh, which mod :P |
| 06:31.43 | Thrae | a-stray-cat: I'm the slacker who did TinyTip. |
| 06:31.44 | Tem | Thrae, why does it need to be rewritten? |
| 06:31.54 | Tem | I used it for a while in beta and had no problems |
| 06:32.18 | Xuerian | Aye, I've been using it too. |
| 06:32.20 | a-stray-cat | cool :) |
| 06:32.32 | Thrae | Tem: Some features I don't use don't work, it plays less nicely with other mods, and it should be converted to use OnTooltipSetUnit instead of hooking SetUnit. |
| 06:33.32 | Tem | mm, I can agree with the event change |
| 06:34.05 | Thrae | I think it's "Extra Tooltip", which always had problems, is now entirely broken. |
| 06:34.16 | bleetah | yeah, huge differences between 'working' and 'working well/properly' ;) |
| 06:34.19 | a-stray-cat | are there args with OnTooltipSetUnit? nothing seems to get passed and arg1-arg5 are all nil :/ |
| 06:34.45 | Thrae | a-stray-cat: OnTooltipSetUnit is a script handler, it's not an event. |
| 06:35.27 | Thrae | That was a confusing statement, and I hate WoW for that being a confusing statement. |
| 06:35.45 | a-stray-cat | nothing seems to get passed to it either, it just goes off? |
| 06:36.10 | Thrae | a-stray-cat: Like all script handlers, the only thing passed is 'this'. You can get the unit by using tooltip:GetUnit() |
| 06:36.20 | a-stray-cat | oh |
| 06:36.22 | a-stray-cat | thanks :) |
| 06:38.09 | a-stray-cat | GetUnit() seems to return the name and not the unit :/ |
| 06:38.24 | a-stray-cat | but i can work with that, thanks for your help :> |
| 06:38.25 | Thrae | Yes I see that it does, now that I'm looking it up. |
| 06:38.43 | Thrae | a-stray-cat: If you want to only deal with when it's a mouseover unit, that's what the event UPDATE_MOUSEOVER_UNIT is for |
| 06:39.12 | Thrae | Just call your function you would have called when you hooked SetUnit |
| 06:39.23 | a-stray-cat | ah. |
| 06:39.29 | Tem | Thrae, that's not exactly true |
| 06:39.43 | Tem | quite a few of the frame events have args |
| 06:40.00 | Thrae | Tem: Yeah, I just saw I was wrong with that one. |
| 06:40.01 | Tem | (technically all of them have at least 1) |
| 06:40.13 | Tem | they all pass self as their first param |
| 06:40.13 | Thrae | It just so happens OnTooltipSetUnit just has 'this'. |
| 06:40.20 | Thrae | Right |
| 06:40.22 | Tem | also, don't use 'this' |
| 06:40.34 | Tem | 'this' is slower than the local 'self' |
| 06:40.56 | Thrae | Ah, I didn't know the handler could use 'self'. I never used handlers much. |
| 06:41.01 | Tem | tooltip:SetScript("OnTooltipSetUnit",function(self) ... end) |
| 06:41.09 | Tem | it's a new thing |
| 06:41.16 | Thrae | With 2.0? |
| 06:41.30 | Tem | all events pass their args as function args in addition to the global version |
| 06:41.35 | Tem | yes, new with 2.0 |
| 06:41.45 | Thrae | Gotcha. I'm still learning all of 2.0, yeah. |
| 06:41.47 | Tem | see the changes thread for more detail |
| 06:42.03 | Thrae | Yeah. There's a lot to digest. |
| 06:46.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | bonk |
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| 07:14.51 | Cairenn|afk | night guys |
| 07:15.34 | bleetah | mm Cairenn|afk |
| 07:16.33 | bleetah | heads up folks: slouken's original project is in debt, and needs your help now! http://libsdl.org/finances.php |
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| 07:23.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | Does this fruit vendor not value his life? YOU ARE RUNNING OUT OF TIME FRUIT VENDOR!! |
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| 07:27.04 | krka | hm... SDL T-shirt? |
| 07:27.08 | krka | i am intruiged |
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| 07:32.53 | bleetah | krka: SDL is slouken's baby ;) |
| 07:34.06 | krka | i know |
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| 07:38.18 | Elenesski | g'day |
| 07:39.10 | bleetah | krka: ohh, i see it there.. hehe, I guess a guy's gotta advertise somehow. Maybe he went to some linux convention |
| 07:39.43 | Elenesski | is this the WoW Interface lounge? |
| 07:40.46 | Elenesski | anybody here? |
| 07:41.07 | Corrodias | yes itis |
| 07:41.25 | Elenesski | looks like a long delay between messages |
| 07:41.30 | zenzelezz | eh? |
| 07:41.32 | Corrodias | so i figure i can sell all my old level 60 feral gear if i'm going moonkin & healing only |
| 07:41.39 | zenzelezz | it's early morning/late night, what do you expect? |
| 07:41.42 | Corrodias | but i don't know if i can bring myself to just sell all that crap i worked for |
| 07:41.53 | Corrodias | sure i can, but i want someone to comfort me |
| 07:42.27 | Corrodias | zenzelezz, hugs? |
| 07:42.32 | Elenesski | how do you know you will like moonkin and healing and don't want to go back being Feral? |
| 07:42.57 | Corrodias | i always intend this druid to be mainly for healing, but i had to have some feral power before for soloing |
| 07:43.17 | Corrodias | however, the mix i had just wasn't cutting it in Outland, so i've switched to moonkin, which is currently kicking ass left and right |
| 07:43.51 | Elenesski | I sort of have the same problem with my priest .. do I go shadow or stay holy |
| 07:44.14 | Elenesski | I certainly don't want to sell my holy gear because I know I'll go back to it when I get to 70 |
| 07:44.28 | Corrodias | we-ell... you'll probably replace it all on the way to 70 |
| 07:44.40 | Elenesski | that's true |
| 07:44.42 | bleetah | by the time I was halfway through 61, I'd sharded most of my gear |
| 07:44.49 | bleetah | as... what Corrodias said ;) |
| 07:44.50 | Corrodias | i guess i don't know what priests do, generally, but i'd suggest a mix of healing and soloing power |
| 07:45.01 | bleetah | getting by quite happily on dropped greens/quest rewards |
| 07:45.01 | Corrodias | i'm lame that way |
| 07:45.32 | Elenesski | so I have a wow development question; can somebody help? |
| 07:45.54 | Corrodias | one more set of vanity screenshots, and now i'm selling this stuff |
| 07:47.14 | Elenesski | oh that was a conversation killer |
| 07:48.22 | bleetah | Elenesski: open ended questions like that usually are |
| 07:48.33 | bleetah | as no one can tell if they can help, because you haven't actually asked the question yet |
| 07:48.35 | Elenesski | I'm a professional developer (actually an application architect), but new to WOW development my questions are more theory/concepts than programming questions |
| 07:48.39 | bleetah | so people will sit and wait for the question |
| 07:48.50 | Elenesski | okay then .. |
| 07:49.16 | norgs | ... |
| 07:49.53 | Elenesski | I have built a mod which currently parses CSV files for input .. I need to build an interface for the mod to handle the hundreds of input values |
| 07:50.25 | norgs | cool! |
| 07:50.40 | Elenesski | the question is; how can I handle editing a few hundred items through the interface? |
| 07:51.03 | norgs | Elenesski: hmmm - that's a difficult question |
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| 07:51.28 | Corrodias | i'd recommend paging |
| 07:51.35 | norgs | the wow interface isn't really designed for that, really... |
| 07:51.45 | bleetah | paging and tabs, depdending on the data |
| 07:52.01 | norgs | i'm assuming you're thinking of some kind of spreadsheet / datagrid style thing |
| 07:52.08 | Elenesski | I kind of figured that .. but I look at the auctionhouse interface and it seems to handle scrolling fairly well |
| 07:52.25 | Elenesski | actually, not really a spreadsheet |
| 07:53.08 | Corrodias | paging is how visual studio recommends you make web pages with large databases behind them |
| 07:53.11 | Elenesski | I'm using a spreadsheet now only because parsing it is relatively straight-forward ... and it allows me to build the mod without getting hung up on building the interface |
| 07:54.26 | norgs | well, there's plenty of room in the basic ui for developing interfaces, what were you thinking of? |
| 07:55.01 | Elenesski | what the mod does is attach buttons to unit frames ... specifically spells and macros |
| 07:55.45 | Elenesski | there are hundreds of spell possibilities and with macros a bunch of additional combinations are possible |
| 07:56.42 | Elenesski | buttons are organized into groups and groups are assigned to units. So for example, I could create a healing group that is assigned to the player, party and focus frames |
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| 07:57.40 | Elenesski | I want to be able to drag and drop spells from a spell book (like feature) on to a list, and possibly reorganize the list by moving buttons up/down the list |
| 07:58.59 | Elenesski | For macros, I need access to the textures for all those macro buttons ... right now the buttons (for macros) are manually assigned a number |
| 07:59.44 | Elenesski | this has nothing to do with CSV files .. the current configuration for the mod is done by parsing CSV input; I want to replace this with a set of configuration dialogs |
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| 08:02.04 | pastamancer | it sounds like you already have a good idea of how you want the configuration dialogs to work, do you need to know how to make a scrollable list in WoW? |
| 08:03.17 | Elenesski | yes, how do I make a scrollable list? |
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| 08:04.23 | pastamancer | http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Make_a_Scrollable_List_Using_FauxScrollFrameTemplate |
| 08:04.44 | norgs | well... there's a tricky thing, because there's no actual scollable panes in wow... merely a scrollbar |
| 08:05.18 | norgs | so you need to fake it, by changing your items based off the current scroll position |
| 08:05.22 | Elenesski | so I have to respond to up/down positioning events, then replot each item? |
| 08:05.39 | norgs | that link that pastamancer provided is a good tutorial on how to do this |
| 08:06.36 | norgs | yes, put simply, you provide an update function which gets called back when the scroll position changes, so you can update your elements |
| 08:06.36 | Elenesski | it's probably a better way to go .. I can imagine that allowing somebody to create a huge list would suck up memory |
| 08:07.34 | pastamancer | more importantly, it would create many many frame objects, and frames can't be destroyed/GC'd |
| 08:07.34 | Elenesski | then each element in the scroll box is updating elements in the table as changes occur to the UI items? |
| 08:08.01 | Elenesski | the GC issue I've discovered already |
| 08:08.43 | Elenesski | I have to carefully manage previously created frames and reuse them were possible |
| 08:09.36 | Elenesski | can a tool like WOW UI Designer help me in the design of the elements within the FauxScrollFrame? |
| 08:09.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | arghhhh tthis bug is driving me mad |
| 08:10.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | my framerate occasionally drops to 2-3 and then after a second jumps back up to 60 |
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| 08:12.37 | Elenesski | can a tool like WOW UI Designer help me in the design of the elements within the FauxScrollFrame? |
| 08:13.23 | Elenesski | or is it all XML development? |
| 08:19.08 | Wobin | oh man |
| 08:19.09 | Wobin | http://unimag.livejournal.com/90023.html |
| 08:19.26 | Wobin | do not read if you are an american without a sense of humour =P |
| 08:19.28 | Wobin | fair warning |
| 08:20.25 | bleetah | "Of course, a series of consonants isn't proof that it's an American writing the post - it could also be Welsh, so be on your guard." if there are more X's than any other letters, chances are they're really Basque ;) |
| 08:20.29 | bleetah | lol |
| 08:20.35 | bleetah | nice find Wobin |
| 08:22.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | people still have livejournal accounts? holy crap |
| 08:23.10 | Wobin | What, you think MySpace will take their place? |
| 08:23.21 | bleetah | Mr_Rabies2: yeah, real folks now have a http://blog.planet-warcraft.com account ;) |
| 08:23.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | similar userbase :p |
| 08:23.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | people who think people on the internet really care what they have to say |
| 08:23.55 | bleetah | yup |
| 08:24.05 | Elenesski | Remember, there is no "I" in "Team America". |
| 08:24.15 | bleetah | i only use my blog for personal notes, and stupid little things that don't warrant their own SVN tree |
| 08:24.47 | bleetah | where 'personal notes' = stuff I'm loathed to lose if a lightning bolt takes my desktop, server and backups out ;) |
| 08:24.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | i kept up one for like a month or two in high school and then i realized i was just wasting time, no one cared about that crap |
| 08:25.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | and i have a myspace/facebook only to shut up people telling me to get one |
| 08:25.27 | bleetah | like that old saying about opinions... 'blogs are like assholes.. everyone's got one' |
| 08:26.42 | bleetah | and the comment about pay TV 'Television is the sewer of culture, why should I pay for it to go through my home' could equally apply to paying for net access to read blogs |
| 08:27.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | i got tired of "hey do you have a myspace?" |
| 08:28.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | so i made one, it's pretty much just dethklok songs and a disorienting background image |
| 08:28.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://myspace-130.vo.llnwd.net/01376/03/17/1376577130_l.gif |
| 08:28.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | save that and tile it :D |
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| 10:20.31 | bleetah | rofl.. only 13 peeps on the PTR alliance side |
| 10:22.47 | bleetah | anyone here on the PTR? |
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| 10:40.59 | krka | link to the myspace? |
| 10:42.56 | krka | never mind |
| 10:43.03 | krka | firefox FTW |
| 10:43.16 | krka | just putting this as the stylesheet did the trick: |
| 10:43.17 | krka | http://myspace-130.vo.llnwd.net/01376/03/17/1376577130_l.gif |
| 10:43.19 | krka | doh |
| 10:43.21 | krka | body { background-image: url(); } img {display: none;} |
| 10:43.22 | krka | there |
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| 10:57.38 | Corrodias | ah, back to the slow levelling of a high level character |
| 10:58.45 | Corrodias | now that i've switched to moonkin spec, at least i can kill things. |
| 11:00.40 | bleetah | 'cept for server shutdown :P |
| 11:00.42 | Corrodias | although starfire isn't "much" more efficient than wrath, from what i can see |
| 11:00.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't like being mana dependant on damage :p |
| 11:00.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | starfire is 100% spell damage |
| 11:00.58 | Corrodias | it's a damage/mana ratio of about 1.7 instead of 1.83 |
| 11:01.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | and wrath is like, 80% or something |
| 11:01.13 | Corrodias | what are you talking about? |
| 11:01.22 | Corrodias | wrath has physical damage? |
| 11:01.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | so once you start getting dmg/healing gear, starfire gets more +damage |
| 11:01.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | no |
| 11:01.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | say you have an item with 100 +dmg |
| 11:02.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | starfire gets 100 bonus damage, whereas wrath gets like 80 or so |
| 11:02.17 | Corrodias | oh. well, wrath does cast in half the time. that's a total of 160% of the bonus every 3 seconds. |
| 11:02.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's actually a good point |
| 11:02.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | i didn't think of that |
| 11:02.42 | Corrodias | starfire -looks- cooler |
| 11:03.17 | Corrodias | now if only Thrae were awake. poke poke. |
| 11:07.57 | bleetah | note to all: 2.0.6 PTR doesn't appear to need a .toc update |
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| 11:47.37 | bleetah | hmm, i wonder why I'm not seeing money loot chat info on the PTR |
| 11:47.55 | bleetah | definately enabled in the messages |
| 11:48.15 | bleetah | just not getting reports shown |
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| 11:56.13 | Corrodias | because they're getting rid of money! oh noes! |
| 12:01.21 | bleetah | it's really odd... mate of mine sitting next to me is getting them, same channel settings :/ |
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| 12:23.29 | Corrodias | http://endgamewowraidinglol.ytmnd.com/ |
| 12:27.10 | kahdgarxi | my favorite is the feral druid |
| 12:28.54 | MageRooster | Isn't there some sort of UI option to filter spam? |
| 12:28.54 | Mery | ALT+Z |
| 12:28.55 | Corrodias | hah! |
| 12:28.55 | Corrodias | but yes, on the interface options' second tab, there is a spam filter option, i believe |
| 12:28.55 | Mery | (and for real: not built in as far as I know) |
| 12:28.58 | Mery | blah when did they add that? |
| 12:29.09 | Corrodias | i just believe |
| 12:29.09 | MageRooster | Always been there. |
| 12:30.00 | MageRooster | Oh dear, a patch. |
| 12:30.10 | MageRooster | 2.0.6. :O |
| 12:30.29 | Corrodias | i don't suppose the realms are back up |
| 12:31.30 | Mery | Reduced the respawn time of the Zangarmarsh quest targets: Boglash, Lord Klaq, and Blacksting -> right and that is why I waited YESTERDAY so long for ALL of them |
| 12:32.35 | bleetah | oO when did they fix the bug with the LHC NPCs? |
| 12:32.59 | bleetah | Corrodias: PTR is ticking along nicely ;) |
| 12:33.47 | MageRooster | Woot! Hunters got a nerf! |
| 12:34.35 | MageRooster | ...awesome. Mana shield works on magical damage now. Woot. |
| 12:35.22 | Corrodias | what nerf? |
| 12:35.28 | Corrodias | read to me the patch notes! |
| 12:35.32 | MageRooster | Preternatural creatures have stumbled upon rents |
| 12:35.32 | MageRooster | in the fabric of reality and have been brave (or foolish) |
| 12:35.32 | MageRooster | enough to peer through. That which they have seen in |
| 12:35.32 | MageRooster | the realms beyond our own has altered them irrevocably. |
| 12:35.33 | MageRooster | Their minds, expanded (some say shattered) far beyond |
| 12:35.33 | MageRooster | its original physical and mental borders have latched onto |
| 12:35.35 | MageRooster | powers and abilities typically reserved for only the most |
| 12:35.37 | MageRooster | powerful spellcasters. |
| 12:35.40 | MageRooster | Ack, bad clipboard. |
| 12:35.56 | MageRooster | Ahh, doesn't want to copy. |
| 12:36.23 | sancus | im just sad I didn't hit 70 before they nerfed me :/ |
| 12:36.26 | Wobin | bleh |
| 12:36.29 | MageRooster | Alright, Silencing Shot does 50% of weapon damage instead of 75%. Arcane Shot damage is down 9% and bonus from ranged attack power is 15% instead of 20%. |
| 12:36.32 | Wobin | I don't remember that in the patch notes =P |
| 12:36.40 | MageRooster | Barrage bonus damage is 4/8/12%. |
| 12:36.46 | MageRooster | Same for improved barrage. |
| 12:36.52 | MageRooster | Oh, hey. |
| 12:37.00 | Wobin | hunter, mage and priest nerfs |
| 12:37.02 | Wobin | =( |
| 12:37.04 | MageRooster | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/patchnotes/ |
| 12:37.11 | Wobin | damage coefficient lowering |
| 12:37.13 | sancus | minor priest nerf |
| 12:37.18 | sancus | love tap with the nerf bat |
| 12:37.25 | MageRooster | I can live with the nerfs mage got, since I also got pumped in other ways. |
| 12:37.31 | MageRooster | And the minor priest nerf is :( |
| 12:37.37 | sancus | mages got buffed in pvp and nerfed in pve |
| 12:37.42 | MageRooster | Shadow Word Pain does not kill me. :O |
| 12:37.43 | sancus | pretty unrelated buffs/nerfs, in fact |
| 12:38.01 | MageRooster | Counterspell and Mana Shield are tasty. >.> |
| 12:38.01 | sancus | hardly even use frostbolt at 70 in pvp anyway, so \/\/ |
| 12:38.23 | MageRooster | Yeeeah, I use Arcane Missiles -> Fire Blast -> Repeat in PVP. >.> |
| 12:38.35 | sancus | its all about lolance |
| 12:38.43 | MageRooster | It's more expensive mana-wise, but it gets damage out there more steadily. |
| 12:38.53 | sancus | lolance is the bread, butter, AND jam in arena |
| 12:39.02 | MageRooster | Lolance? |
| 12:39.06 | sancus | Ice Lance |
| 12:39.08 | Wobin | A whole meal in itself |
| 12:39.11 | Wobin | the instantcast |
| 12:39.22 | sancus | arcane missiles is pretty meh in arena |
| 12:39.28 | sancus | tends to get you faceraped with interrupts |
| 12:39.33 | MageRooster | I haven't tried arena. |
| 12:39.39 | sancus | it's pretty good outdoors and in bgs when people are confused and not payinga ttention to you though |
| 12:40.13 | sancus | if someone doesn't see you and stop you you can do 75% of someone's hp in one volley heh |
| 12:40.30 | MageRooster | Mmm, I need +spell damage gear. :O |
| 12:40.33 | sancus | I already miss being deep fire spec in T3 in Hellfire Peninsula |
| 12:40.51 | MageRooster | My L60 troll mage is ice/arcane. |
| 12:41.00 | sancus | pop combustion and mind quickening gem, Dragon's Breath two warriors and a druid |
| 12:41.25 | sancus | druid's dead before they come out of disorient :P |
| 12:41.57 | sancus | alas, that stopped working when people got some hp :P |
| 12:43.19 | sancus | its not hard to get like 8k hp when you start to gear up |
| 12:43.48 | MageRooster | Right... I'm still around 3K. I got to that point where I hit L60, but needed to poke the BG a lot for honor points... |
| 12:43.53 | MageRooster | But now I'm levelling a BE mage. |
| 12:46.05 | sancus | haha why |
| 12:46.31 | MageRooster | Because I like BE racials better than Troll racials? |
| 12:46.51 | sancus | lot of work to switch racials :P |
| 12:46.57 | MageRooster | It is. |
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| 12:59.00 | Corrodias | i never remember to use racial abilities, except warstomp |
| 12:59.13 | Corrodias | as for Ice Lance, omg another spell i didn't plan a spot on my action bars for |
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| 12:59.26 | Corrodias | that's it, i'm just going to have to stop using one of the other spells. there just isn't enough room. |
| 12:59.55 | Corrodias | what's a "spell damage coefficient"? |
| 13:03.05 | bleetah | hmm, interesting. live patch is about 4 times larger than what the PTR was |
| 13:04.10 | sancus | action bars? spot? |
| 13:04.17 | sancus | ITYM hot key! |
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| 13:05.24 | Corrodias | all my keys near the left side, where i can reach, are bound to various things |
| 13:05.42 | Corrodias | i've tried to queeze on ridiculous numbers of abilities |
| 13:05.56 | kaso | Corrodias Spell damage coefficient is how much %age bonus you get from spelldamage |
| 13:06.17 | Corrodias | but when my mage has 25+ abilities IT GETS A LITTLE CROWDED |
| 13:06.37 | Corrodias | wait, that's just counting ones that are reachable with keys. |
| 13:06.54 | Corrodias | i have a few more spread out on bar areas that don't have keys assigned to them for lack of keys. |
| 13:07.13 | axxo | there are more keys on the keyboard then 1234567890 |
| 13:07.18 | axxo | use em. |
| 13:07.43 | Corrodias | i'm also using QERTYFGHZXCVBMPLO |
| 13:07.48 | Corrodias | although not all for abilities on bars |
| 13:09.13 | Xolan | try Clique or the like to bind abilities easily to your mouse |
| 13:09.26 | Xolan | I have all buffs and heals on my mouse for example :P |
| 13:09.51 | Corrodias | i don't have heals as a mage, and all the buffs are on the second bar which i don't use during combat anyway |
| 13:09.57 | Xolan | hm |
| 13:10.00 | Bouvi | Xolan is my hero for the second!!!! The compass works great!! |
| 13:10.05 | Xolan | :) |
| 13:10.13 | Corrodias | i have a place for just about everything, but not ice lance |
| 13:10.21 | Corrodias | or scorch, but that one is pointless anyway |
| 13:10.30 | Xolan | want to add map clicking, destination clearing and more options though, but I'm leaving tomorrow morning :( |
| 13:11.01 | Bouvi | It will work fine for now. When you get back you can add all that stuff. I leave tomorrow for a week myself |
| 13:11.09 | Xolan | :) |
| 13:11.10 | Corrodias | wait, what the heck is "ice lance"? |
| 13:11.14 | Corrodias | wowhead doesn't list it |
| 13:11.22 | Xolan | probably gonna rewrite the whole thing though |
| 13:11.44 | Corrodias | oh, there it is |
| 13:12.14 | Bouvi | Here is my current ice mage ui button arrangement http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/full6683.jpg |
| 13:12.23 | Bouvi | A rewrite already lol |
| 13:12.33 | Xolan | I'll add a clear-destination function now bouvi, should take 5mins or so :P |
| 13:12.45 | Bouvi | Woot! |
| 13:13.29 | Bouvi | Yeah last night I found the mob before I got to the coords and after that had no direction so did not overwrite with new ones. |
| 13:13.40 | Corrodias | i don't see a frostbolt |
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| 13:13.50 | Corrodias | 7 could be arcane explosion |
| 13:14.10 | Xolan | yep, had the same problem myself :P |
| 13:14.12 | Corrodias | or is 2 frostbolt? those icons are a littele goofy |
| 13:14.47 | Bouvi | Frostbolt is 2 |
| 13:15.04 | Bouvi | My hands hit 2 more than any other so I put a fire on 1 |
| 13:15.06 | Corrodias | i don't know why, but i always have a terrible time trying to find places to put all the abilities |
| 13:15.14 | sancus | what about q,e,r,t,f,g,z,x,c,v |
| 13:15.19 | Corrodias | arcane blast and ice lance are just messing me up |
| 13:15.42 | Bouvi | What is ice lance? |
| 13:15.54 | Corrodias | i'm using QERTY for the bottom few buttons on the right-right action bar. beyond that i can't hit with my left hand. FGH are bound to other things, as are ZXCVB |
| 13:16.00 | sancus | if you need more room, move over to esdf for movement |
| 13:16.08 | kahdgarxi | any pvp guru's in here? |
| 13:16.09 | Corrodias | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=30455 |
| 13:16.15 | kahdgarxi | s/pvp/php/ |
| 13:16.24 | sancus | that gives you qwazxcvbghrty in reasonably easy range |
| 13:16.26 | Bouvi | That would be hard to get used to. But an interesting idea. |
| 13:16.55 | Bouvi | Ahhh ok my mage is just 56 |
| 13:17.04 | sancus | whats 'other things', anyhow? |
| 13:17.11 | sancus | I hope you're not binding buffs to easy reach keys! |
| 13:18.06 | Corrodias | no, f and g are assisting and mounting, and i don't know if H actually does anything now that i think about it |
| 13:18.19 | sancus | what about zxcv |
| 13:18.35 | sancus | and b |
| 13:19.06 | sancus | I use b for blink, heh |
| 13:19.06 | Corrodias | z is the take out/put away weapon and alt+z is to hide the UI, and X is sit/stand, so perhaps i can rebind them |
| 13:19.06 | sancus | yeah I would rebind those, those are valuable keys |
| 13:19.19 | Corrodias | c is for the character screen, which i look at too often to move somewhere less convenient, and the same goes for v and b, which are both inventory since i tend to accidentally hit the wrong one |
| 13:19.29 | sancus | ouch |
| 13:19.46 | sancus | if you insist on using keys for that stuff I would really suggest moving to esdf, as sucky as it is to change your movement key positioning :/ |
| 13:20.19 | sancus | I keep trying to move to esdf but I'm not willing to deal with the few days of being completely retarded :P |
| 13:20.26 | Corrodias | yeah |
| 13:20.45 | Xolan | bouvi: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6743-Xolpass.html waiting for approval |
| 13:20.52 | sancus | I open my inventory a lot when im levelling |
| 13:21.00 | sancus | but after levelling is done I hardly ever open it |
| 13:21.25 | Bouvi | Woot will download tonight |
| 13:21.28 | Corrodias | i don't think i've harnessed the power of the ` key, yet... |
| 13:21.30 | sancus | also, I'd be inclined to move inv and char screen to ctrl+ or something, since speed doesnt really matter |
| 13:22.02 | Corrodias | i ... oh yeah, i put ctrl+c as switch main/secondary action bars |
| 13:22.17 | Corrodias | i think i can squeeze a few more keybinds out of that bottom row, though |
| 13:22.35 | sancus | I put pew pew lance on my mouse side button |
| 13:22.41 | Corrodias | why, i hadn't even thought about ctrl-z |
| 13:22.58 | Corrodias | maybe i can put two more keybinds up the right-right action bar |
| 13:23.23 | Bouvi | Wonder how easy it would be to put ice on one bind and the fire equivilent on the same bind with shift. and Arcane on Ctrl |
| 13:23.42 | sancus | what unitframes are those anyhow |
| 13:23.44 | sancus | discord? |
| 13:23.47 | Corrodias | not so easy if there aren't equivalents for everything |
| 13:24.04 | Bouvi | On mine? I am using XPerl |
| 13:24.25 | sancus | ah |
| 13:24.35 | sancus | I like aguf these days |
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| 13:25.15 | Bouvi | Never could get it to do what I wanted but that was in the early BC beta days |
| 13:25.19 | Corrodias | WoW is so damn complex |
| 13:25.35 | Corrodias | but if it weren't, it would suck like other games |
| 13:26.05 | Corrodias | arcane missiles... am i ever going to use them? |
| 13:26.26 | Xolan | is there a mod with locations for specific mobs? |
| 13:26.32 | Corrodias | maybe somebody's going to be resistant to fire and frost. i can't just dump it. |
| 13:27.10 | Bouvi | Not heard of any Xolan |
| 13:28.38 | Xolan | would rock if there was :P |
| 13:29.45 | Corrodias | what am i using control+shift for... pet actions. follow, stay, etc. |
| 13:30.28 | Corrodias | i'll probably move fire blast to another spot once i have ice lance |
| 13:30.54 | Corrodias | ice lance has no cooldown? |
| 13:32.25 | kahdgarxi | correct |
| 13:34.09 | Bouvi | Be one hell of a database lisitng every loc for every mob |
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| 13:38.20 | Xolan | yep, hence why I wanted someone else to already have made one :p |
| 13:38.28 | Xolan | erm, lvl53 BE Paladin here... |
| 13:38.28 | Bouvi | LOL |
| 13:39.23 | kahdgarxi | Xolan- get some sleep |
| 13:39.33 | Bouvi | No kidding lol |
| 13:40.23 | Xolan | not me lol |
| 13:40.32 | Xolan | a bloke from our horde top raiding guild |
| 13:40.47 | Xolan | they're all lvl 68-70 apart from their paladin rerollers :P |
| 13:41.57 | bleetah | oh crap.. they fixed the hunter FD bug |
| 13:42.11 | bleetah | 'cept for when you go and aggro a bunch of Belf guards :/ |
| 13:42.19 | Bouvi | I am such a casual player lol |
| 13:43.23 | Bouvi | Been playing since Open Beta and only have one 50+ |
| 13:43.25 | Bouvi | 60+ |
| 13:43.35 | Bouvi | Two 50+ |
| 13:45.20 | Xolan | o_O |
| 13:45.28 | Cairenn|afk | playing since original closed beta |
| 13:45.29 | Bouvi | No 60? |
| 13:45.34 | Cairenn|afk | nary a one |
| 13:45.46 | Xolan | personally I have 1 60priest, and a 30rogue and hunter |
| 13:45.46 | Corrodias | i truly just have nowhere to put that damn spell unless i move my fire based spells somewhere less convenient |
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| 13:46.21 | Corrodias | maybe flamestrike will go over on 7 or something |
| 13:46.40 | sancus | I never cast flamestrike |
| 13:46.46 | Corrodias | aren't you special |
| 13:46.58 | Bouvi | I also never use it |
| 13:47.04 | Corrodias | but yeah, i was thinking i don't expect to use it much, either |
| 13:47.10 | sancus | I don't cast arcane missiles either :P |
| 13:47.44 | Corrodias | well, arcane missiles is one of only three spells of arcane damage that i can think of off the top of my head (arcane explosion & arcane blast the other two) |
| 13:48.07 | Corrodias | arcane blast might be able to just replace that, though, if i decide i'd rather cast that than arcane missiles |
| 13:48.21 | Bouvi | I have Bouvi (Rogue) 61, Bouvarella (Mage) 56, Bouviers (Priest) 38, Bouvalock (Warlock) 21, Bouvakov (Hunter) 15 |
| 13:49.54 | sancus | I don't cast arcane blast in normal play either |
| 13:50.07 | sancus | it's occasionally useful though |
| 13:50.21 | sancus | mostly used it for killing elites in elite quests so far |
| 13:50.31 | sancus | since having 5k mana left over doesnt really help anybody |
| 13:51.06 | Corrodias | so it isn't so efficient once it stacks up? |
| 13:51.13 | sancus | er no roughly |
| 13:51.14 | Corrodias | but it is fast? which i guess is the point? |
| 13:51.19 | sancus | it costs liek 500 mana fully stacked |
| 13:51.22 | sancus | er rofl rather |
| 13:51.50 | Corrodias | hm, and what's the casting time? |
| 13:51.58 | sancus | 1.5s |
| 13:52.32 | sancus | yes, you empty your mana pool in less than 30 seconds |
| 13:53.04 | Corrodias | so a quick way to do a lot of single-target damage at the cost of a lot of mana |
| 13:53.10 | sancus | yeah |
| 13:53.23 | sancus | the damage is fairly high...but its honestly not very good unless you're arcane specced |
| 13:53.27 | Corrodias | i suppose that'll probably be fine for those occasions when i -have- to use arcane spells, if there ever are any |
| 13:53.42 | sancus | I wouldn't use it at all if I were fire specced |
| 13:53.49 | sancus | frost single target boss dps just sucks is all |
| 13:56.19 | Corrodias | i had to respec my druid for outland |
| 13:56.48 | Corrodias | he was mostly resto with some feral, which was fine for Azeroth, but it just didn't cut it in outland. i've switched him to mostly balance with a little resto |
| 13:57.15 | Xolan | our druids are full feral o_O |
| 13:57.32 | Corrodias | moo at them for me, will you? :) |
| 13:57.54 | Xolan | :P |
| 13:57.56 | Corrodias | it's a pretty flexible message, which will work whether they're ally or horde aligned |
| 13:58.28 | Xolan | I'd go balance myself too though for that goofy moonkin :-) |
| 13:59.11 | Corrodias | i was getting my ass handed to me with just a little in feral, but now i'm blowing away the mobs left and right with my leet roots |
| 13:59.37 | weazer | Ent roots ftw :) |
| 14:00.10 | Corrodias | i have only played a few hours, but the only time i died after i respecced was when about five mobs respawned on top of myself and another druid. |
| 14:00.53 | Corrodias | i have to remember that, despite having the armor bonus, i'm still hardly a tank at only 6.5k armor |
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| 14:12.28 | Xolan | god I hate random lowbie invites :\ |
| 14:13.06 | Xolan | and after I decline they ask for help, when they've already proven they're a numpty |
| 14:13.44 | sancus | I make it a point to never help lowbies or give beggars money or summon water for anyone I dont know! |
| 14:13.51 | sancus | I wish the ignore list limit was bigger :( |
| 14:14.06 | kahdgarxi | sancus- there's addons for that |
| 14:14.18 | sancus | huh really |
| 14:14.24 | sancus | guess I should get one, heh |
| 14:14.27 | kahdgarxi | :) |
| 14:15.14 | Bouvi | If someone opens a trade window and puts a lockbox in it without asking I close it. Ask and I will but I never group with non-guildies. |
| 14:15.36 | kahdgarxi | you know i just noticed something awesome |
| 14:15.37 | kahdgarxi | warcraft |
| 14:15.40 | kahdgarxi | and starcraft |
| 14:15.46 | Xolan | ?... |
| 14:15.48 | Corrodias | i enjoy helping other people (although never people begging for money)... but lately... |
| 14:15.48 | kahdgarxi | are both typed with only the left hand |
| 14:15.55 | Corrodias | lately i've had trouble with PuGs |
| 14:16.04 | Corrodias | i don't think i can stand to play with PuGs any more |
| 14:16.15 | Corrodias | for instances, i mean. |
| 14:16.18 | bleetah | kahdgarxi: how bored? |
| 14:16.20 | bleetah | ;) |
| 14:16.54 | kahdgarxi | bleetah- well, i had one hand on the mouse, and one on the keyboard, and i went to type starcraft, and i realized i didn't take my hand off the mouse :P |
| 14:16.55 | bleetah | I think I did a pug.. once |
| 14:17.12 | kahdgarxi | Corrodias- I know what you mean... I'm getting really sick of pugs myself.. they like to blame the healer |
| 14:17.16 | KaoS` | w00t, warcraft 3 is now native on intel macs :) |
| 14:17.35 | bleetah | KaoS`: yay! now, buy me an Intel Mac :P |
| 14:17.42 | KaoS` | I'm on a MacBook Pro 15" - CPU: 1 x Intel Core Duo - Speed: 2.0 GHz - Battery: Charged - RAM Usage: 1.1 GB / 1.5 GB [04|||||||14|||] - Disk Space: 1.0 TB with 171.09 GB Free - Running: Mac OS X 10.4.8 (8L2127) - Processes: 76 - Uptime: 9:16 up 25 days, 11:05, 1 user, load averages: 1.10 0.99 0.71 |
| 14:18.02 | krka | wtf, i type starcraft with two hands |
| 14:18.07 | krka | i alternate |
| 14:18.18 | krka | left s, right t, left a, right r, et.c. |
| 14:18.26 | krka | much faster! |
| 14:18.30 | KaoS` | I have enough around here.. 1.66ghz intel mac mini for media center, 2.0ghz macbook, 2.0 Intel iMac, and my macbook pro.. |
| 14:18.33 | Corrodias | during my last session with my level 23 mage, we tried the wailing caverns. it was tough because we had only 4 people, and just before i finished my last quest they decided to quit due to real life concerns. we wiped twice on the way. it was just so frustrating. |
| 14:18.33 | JoshBorke | lol krka |
| 14:18.33 | haste | right hand on r? |
| 14:18.36 | JoshBorke | i type starcraft with 2 hands |
| 14:18.39 | Corrodias | and i don't need to tell you about that 8-hour UBRS run. |
| 14:18.51 | Corrodias | do you know how demoralizing it is to see the mobs respawning for a second time? |
| 14:19.01 | kahdgarxi | omg |
| 14:19.04 | kahdgarxi | 8-hour ubrs? |
| 14:19.14 | kahdgarxi | if i'm in a pug, and i see a single respawn, i'm gone |
| 14:19.20 | Corrodias | it wasn't fun |
| 14:19.29 | bleetah | some of my fellow guildies I'll never group with |
| 14:19.32 | Xolan | I use my right hand just on the T o_O |
| 14:19.33 | kahdgarxi | that reminds me of a 6-hour av i was in |
| 14:19.36 | Corrodias | that last boss, and the few pulls before him, are just a bitch |
| 14:19.54 | bleetah | when I joined, went on a Scolo run, didn't want to lead as it's a new guild and all. 6 hours later, hadn't even got to rattlegroe :/ |
| 14:20.04 | bleetah | or rattlegore, for that matter |
| 14:20.16 | kahdgarxi | ack |
| 14:20.22 | kahdgarxi | yay, it's 7:20! |
| 14:20.25 | kahdgarxi | I get to go to bed! |
| 14:20.58 | Corrodias | that's just sad, bleetah |
| 14:21.12 | Corrodias | at least during those 8 hours we took two cracks at the last boss |
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| 14:21.27 | Corrodias | well, 3 |
| 14:21.29 | bleetah | beyond sad, it was chronically depressing |
| 14:21.36 | bleetah | if I hadn't had a bottle of vodka with me... |
| 14:21.55 | Bouvi | OK maybe I am getting too old. I need some great hot new music with a fast tempo (rock) that is popular with clean lyrics. |
| 14:22.16 | Xolan | hm |
| 14:22.22 | Xolan | bullet for my valentine maybe |
| 14:22.23 | Corrodias | maybe something from Five for Fighting |
| 14:22.24 | krka | clean lyrics? not since the early 90s dude |
| 14:22.43 | Bouvi | Will check Five. |
| 14:22.50 | MageRooster | [06:18] <WesleyGibson> The new southern pickup line "The terrorists hate crazy premarital sex" |
| 14:22.54 | haste | krka: I tried to write starcraft with two hands, I managed to do it with one letter |
| 14:23.18 | Corrodias | i need a new alternative shoutcast station |
| 14:23.23 | KaoS` | I thought they were going to go to no down time maintenance ? |
| 14:23.34 | krka | typing starcraft with one letter is impressive |
| 14:23.38 | krka | which letter was it? |
| 14:23.38 | bleetah | that's the eventual aim, no maint |
| 14:23.39 | Corrodias | KEKEKE |
| 14:23.46 | MageRooster | Corrodias: You can always try winamp's internal list of radio stations. |
| 14:23.55 | MageRooster | What kind of music do you like? |
| 14:23.57 | bleetah | no doubt until they get there, and still the huge patch being pretty recent, some tweaking needs doing |
| 14:24.06 | haste | krka: argh, engrish :( |
| 14:24.10 | Corrodias | that is pretty skimpy, MageRooster. i dont know where it gets it. shoutcast.com has a better list. |
| 14:24.18 | Corrodias | but i forgot, i have a couple of alternative stations on my playlist |
| 14:24.40 | haste | krka: I ment I only managed to use my right hand on one of the letters :) |
| 14:25.07 | Bouvi | OK Five for Fighting is too slow. Picture this. A stage full of martial artists getting ready to do power techniques, speed, board/brick breaking, etc. What music would work well? |
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| 14:25.29 | Corrodias | clean lyrics? |
| 14:25.38 | Corrodias | okay, i got nothing. |
| 14:25.38 | Bouvi | Yes |
| 14:25.41 | MageRooster | Japanese traditional. |
| 14:26.12 | Corrodias | i might have what you want, actually... |
| 14:26.48 | Bouvi | Been looking at some nickleback, etc. My main problem is I keep thinking 80s music. |
| 14:27.10 | Bouvi | I need something the young kids on the team can relate to and the kids in the audience. |
| 14:28.07 | Bouvi | We are using Bring Me to Life my Evanescence to give you an idea |
| 14:28.13 | Corrodias | oh god |
| 14:29.14 | Corrodias | does what the lyrics say matter? |
| 14:29.16 | Bouvi | Hey it makes a perfect Bo-Staff form song. |
| 14:29.47 | Bouvi | As long as it is not talking about getting it on, etc things like that. Think kids in the audience. |
| 14:30.24 | Corrodias | well, we know violence would be a hit |
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| 14:30.45 | Corrodias | this swedish metal might be a bit heavy-handed, though |
| 14:31.23 | Bouvi | Need something young people listen too. See my problem? I am trying to cater to the kids while not pissing off the parents |
| 14:31.32 | Xolan | :p |
| 14:32.01 | haste | define young people |
| 14:32.07 | Xolan | my taste would be out of the question then I think :-) |
| 14:32.18 | Bouvi | Young as in teen and pre-teen |
| 14:33.54 | foxlit | What's the occasion? |
| 14:34.06 | haste | I think I actually fall under teen =\ |
| 14:34.07 | Corrodias | i'm trying to send him a song, but he's not responding to the DCC request |
| 14:34.07 | Bouvi | I am gonna try and slip this one past http://www.lyricsandsongs.com/song/512617.html |
| 14:34.32 | haste | not that I can help much more then suggesting some punk/rock |
| 14:34.36 | Corrodias | come child, ima gonna take ya // to a place, inside of me that's aching |
| 14:34.37 | Bouvi | I am building a new martial arts demo team. We are starting from scratch and jazzing it up |
| 14:34.39 | Corrodias | yeah, that's not pedo at all |
| 14:34.44 | Bouvi | Yeah I know, I know |
| 14:34.50 | Bouvi | But the beat kicks |
| 14:34.58 | Corrodias | Bouvi, are you getting the DCC request i'm sending you? |
| 14:35.08 | Bouvi | I am on a Mac so prob not |
| 14:35.17 | Corrodias | plan B |
| 14:35.33 | Corrodias | http://corrodias.no-ip.org:28960/HammerFall%20-%20Destined%20for%20Glory.mp3 |
| 14:35.42 | haste | hammerfall :< |
| 14:35.54 | haste | I shouldn't say anything actually |
| 14:35.55 | Corrodias | don't give me that >:P |
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| 14:36.10 | haste | Hey, I listen to pretty much.. everything |
| 14:36.24 | Corrodias | oops, i have both p2p programs open and uploading |
| 14:36.24 | Bouvi | Has an 80s feel to it trying to stear away from that |
| 14:36.26 | Corrodias | lemme close utorrent |
| 14:36.38 | haste | everything from jazz to black metal to asian music |
| 14:36.46 | Bouvi | I have to buy whatever I use just checked it out on iTunes |
| 14:37.11 | Corrodias | Destined for Glory? that is so not 80's pop |
| 14:37.19 | Corrodias | i don't know other genres from the 80's |
| 14:37.37 | Bouvi | Heavy metal from the 80s and hard rock has a similar feel. |
| 14:37.57 | haste | You could use some Machinae Supremacy |
| 14:38.14 | Corrodias | i'm pretty bland in my choices of music because i don't take the time to go find more |
| 14:38.26 | haste | Bouvi: http://www.machinaesupremacy.com/webography.html |
| 14:38.35 | Corrodias | it would suck up my entire life to go collecting music |
| 14:38.50 | Bouvi | Yeah I am the same. I might start with the few I have and poll the kids |
| 14:39.58 | Bouvi | WOW Haste I think we have a winner in Hero |
| 14:39.59 | Corrodias | stratovarius has a wider varity of sounds than hammerfall does *sulk* |
| 14:40.07 | haste | Hero is nice |
| 14:40.52 | Xolan | Stratovarius is great |
| 14:41.25 | Corrodias | ugh, their singer (referring to "Hero") seems to have trouble holding a tune |
| 14:41.36 | Corrodias | maybe i'm just immediately disliking it because i don't want to like it |
| 14:41.42 | haste | Corrodias: Most of the web releases are old |
| 14:41.47 | Bouvi | It started good and went downhill on the 2nd verse. |
| 14:42.05 | haste | You might want to check out their album instead |
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| 14:42.23 | haste | I know the reaper might be a better choice |
| 14:43.15 | Xolan | Children of Bodom perhaps? |
| 14:43.21 | Xolan | not totally "clean" but |
| 14:44.08 | Corrodias | what if you can't understand the lyrics? |
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| 14:44.17 | Xolan | :) |
| 14:44.19 | Corrodias | metal has a -lot- of that. |
| 14:44.46 | Corrodias | Stratovarius - Distant Skies might be more up your alley, but i don't know this 80's sound that you want to avoid |
| 14:44.59 | Bouvi | Yeah Stratovarius has it. |
| 14:45.07 | Bouvi | I just sampled about 10 of thier songs |
| 14:45.22 | Xolan | Helloween maybe? |
| 14:46.27 | Corrodias | Fenix Tx - All My Fault |
| 14:47.11 | Corrodias | Ludacris - Move Bitch would probably not work |
| 14:47.34 | Bouvi | Background time. We are in a place where there could be church going people, we are a christian based martial arts organization with over 250 schools in US. I want to attract the kids but not piss off the parents. Calgon take me away..... (80s commercial) |
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| 14:48.25 | Bouvi | I asked Daniel Sterling (28 time forms champion) but he has a friend mix his stuff. |
| 14:48.48 | Bouvi | LOL maybe we should just go back to addon talk... LMAO |
| 14:49.20 | Corrodias | i've got the devil's music. :( |
| 14:49.50 | Xolan | me too :P |
| 14:49.53 | Bouvi | My Metallic collection will not work either. |
| 14:49.58 | Bouvi | Mettalica |
| 14:50.05 | Bouvi | I cannot spell today |
| 14:50.15 | Xolan | think Helloween might work out |
| 14:50.16 | bleetah | well, looks like warriors and rogues are still bugged to hell... no matter how much +mana gear and water I drink, still no mana |
| 14:50.17 | Corrodias | Spineshank is probably out |
| 14:51.26 | Xolan | Iron Maiden never stops shining |
| 14:51.41 | Corrodias | Godsmack - I Fucking Hate You |
| 14:51.48 | Corrodias | try that one on for size. nah just kidding. |
| 14:52.17 | Xolan | np: Kataklysm - The Road to Devastation [Kataklysm--In the Arms of Devastation-Promo-2006-UBE] ;P |
| 14:52.51 | Xolan | hm toughie finding fast paced rock without somekind of non-parent friendly stuff in it |
| 14:53.04 | bleetah | Bouvi: proabably best to go look at christian music sites, charts, etc. |
| 14:53.27 | bleetah | my knowledge of religious music stops somewhere mid 1700 |
| 14:54.22 | Bouvi | Thanks for all your help I am going to go bang my head into a brick wall as this is a no win situation LMAO |
| 14:55.36 | Xolan | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6743-Xolpass.html perhaps? =) |
| 14:55.38 | Xolan | erm |
| 14:55.40 | Xolan | np: Lordi - Devil Is A Loser [Lordi-Get Heavy-2002-RDA] |
| 14:55.51 | Xolan | wrong hotkey lol |
| 14:55.53 | Bouvi | http://www.seeklyrics.com/lyrics/Orange-Range/Kirikirimai.html there that will work lol |
| 14:55.56 | Corrodias | haha |
| 14:56.50 | Xolan | "'cause the devil is a loser and he's my bitch" :) |
| 14:56.51 | Corrodias | this sounds oddly religious, even though it totally isn't = http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/Fallback-lyrics-Spineshank/10A664BF6E64B88848256D410024A934 |
| 15:02.01 | Corrodias | Evanescence - Tourniquet is about suicide, but it talks about god. :D |
| 15:02.20 | Corrodias | i'm amusing myself with how inappropriate my limited collection is for your situation |
| 15:02.23 | MageRooster | I should get more than Hard Rock Hallelujah from Lordi. |
| 15:02.56 | Xolan | yep |
| 15:02.57 | Xolan | they rock |
| 15:03.20 | Corrodias | "do you remember me, lost for so long? will you be on the other side, or will you forget me? i'm dying, praying, bleeding, and screaming. am i too lost to be saved? am i too lost?" |
| 15:03.43 | Xolan | np: Dream Theater - In The Name Of God [Dream Theater-Train Of Thought-PROPER-2003-SER] this one is awesome |
| 15:03.47 | Bouvi | Oh yeah that is perfect for the audience I am looking for LOL |
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| 15:05.28 | Bouvi | Too slow |
| 15:06.13 | sysrage | is it really possible for a rooster to be a mage? |
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| 15:06.21 | MageRooster | Yes. |
| 15:06.35 | MageRooster | It's quite simple... I put on my wizard robes and hat. |
| 15:07.00 | sysrage | didn't realize spells could be cast by clucks |
| 15:08.26 | Corrodias | i found the larger portion of my alternative collection, now |
| 15:08.32 | Corrodias | i had forgotten where i put it |
| 15:09.24 | Corrodias | http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/3doorsdown/duckandrun.html |
| 15:09.52 | Corrodias | -not- "Cherry Poppin' Daddies - Butch the Gay Santa Claus" |
| 15:10.37 | Bouvi | I am starting to worry about all of you |
| 15:10.47 | Corrodias | duck and run was a serious suggestion, though |
| 15:12.17 | Xolan | np: For My Pain - Rapture Of Lust [For My Pain-Fallen-2003-SER] |
| 15:12.34 | Xolan | quite fast, only clean vocals |
| 15:12.45 | Corrodias | 3 Doors Down - Duck and Run is the only thing from what i have that i can actually recommend to you |
| 15:13.11 | Bouvi | Checking them out |
| 15:15.56 | Xolan | hm np: Wintersun - Battle Against Lime [Wintersun-Wintersun-2004-AMRC INT] |
| 15:16.00 | Xolan | lime?... |
| 15:16.16 | Corrodias | battle against skub |
| 15:16.57 | Xolan | np: Wig Wam - I Turn to You [Wig Wam-Hard to Be A Rock N Roller in Kiev-Ltd.Ed.-2005-VOiCE] Cher cover ;P |
| 15:17.11 | Bouvi | Duck and Run should work like a charm |
| 15:17.17 | Corrodias | huzzah! |
| 15:17.37 | Xolan | you just need 1 song then? |
| 15:17.53 | Corrodias | he probably need another dozen, on his desk by monday, now GET TO WORK |
| 15:17.56 | Bouvi | I wish lol. About 30-40 mins worth of music |
| 15:18.13 | Xolan | np: Sleep Terror - Somnambulist Pedophile [Sleep Terror-Probing Tranquility-2006-FNT] ... :) |
| 15:18.28 | Bouvi | I have about 20 mins right now |
| 15:18.28 | Corrodias | what.. |
| 15:18.45 | Xolan | seriously though, WigWam's pretty neutral rock/glam |
| 15:23.06 | Bouvi | I am using some from the FF4 soundtrack. Come On, Come In (which might not fly), Duck and Run by 3 Dorrs, Bring Me to Life Evanescense, Kirkirimai by Orange Range, Surrender by Simple Plan and Noots by Sum 41. All subject to change |
| 15:26.30 | Xolan | np: At Vance - Money, Money (Abba Cover) [At Vance - No Escape-2002-DMA] |
| 15:26.36 | Xolan | should please all generations :) |
| 15:29.45 | Cide | Xolan: dream theater owns |
| 15:29.51 | Xolan | yep |
| 15:30.14 | Xolan | seen Live at Boudokan? |
| 15:30.25 | Cide | prolly not |
| 15:30.32 | Xolan | you should :) |
| 15:30.47 | Xolan | best live performance I've seen |
| 15:31.04 | Xolan | concert lasts four 3 1/2 hours or so |
| 15:31.05 | Xolan | o_O |
| 15:31.56 | Corrodias | well, i've made the only contribution i can. now i have to go to bed for a few hours. |
| 15:31.56 | Bouvi | Xolan, since you will be gone my addon pick this week will be Xolpass |
| 15:31.56 | Corrodias | 'ni |
| 15:32.07 | Xolan | oo great :D |
| 15:32.13 | Bouvi | Later Corrodias and thanks |
| 15:32.30 | Xolan | sweet dreams corro |
| 15:32.45 | Bouvi | When you get back thou and overhaul it I want an nice arrow instead of a 0 :) |
| 15:33.08 | Xolan | :-) |
| 15:33.18 | Xolan | I used letters for the easyness of it |
| 15:33.27 | Xolan | (not sure that is a word though) |
| 15:33.40 | Cide | Bouvi: oh, sorry for not replying to your pm btw |
| 15:33.43 | Cide | totally forgot about it |
| 15:33.45 | Bouvi | Of course and you had limited time to make it work. :D How long will you be gone |
| 15:33.58 | Xolan | not sure how long boot camp lasts |
| 15:34.02 | Bouvi | No worries Cide I have a couple weeks worth of stuff. |
| 15:34.03 | Xolan | 3weeks max I think |
| 15:34.15 | Cide | Bouvi: hehe, cool - I'm quite busy too |
| 15:34.30 | Xolan | brining my laptop though so I might work on it during those 3 weeks and release the overhaul when I'm back :) |
| 15:34.49 | Bouvi | No worries Cide just get to it when you can :D |
| 15:35.51 | Bouvi | And if anyone here wants to be interviewed for their addon let me know. I accept visa, mast.... I mean I will send you the questions *whistles innoncenly* |
| 15:36.04 | Bouvi | And I still cannot spell |
| 15:36.45 | Xolan | hehe |
| 15:38.00 | Bouvi | I need a laptop!!!! I want the Macbook Pro 17" for the best of both worlds Mac and PC. |
| 15:38.42 | Xolan | ;P |
| 15:38.57 | Xolan | or a similar PC for 60% the price with linux on it :-) |
| 15:39.17 | Bouvi | No I compared the prices to get the memory, hard drive, video card, etc it was more |
| 15:39.29 | Bouvi | Plus I need Mac compatibility |
| 15:39.35 | Xolan | how come? |
| 15:39.52 | Bouvi | The US Chung Do Kwan Assocaition is all Mac Based and so is my work. |
| 15:40.27 | Bouvi | Screw it I am going back to school for spelling |
| 15:41.21 | Xolan | lol |
| 15:41.37 | Xolan | well MacOSX is definately worth it :) |
| 15:41.47 | Xolan | just tihnk their hardware is somewhat overpriced that's all |
| 15:42.12 | Bouvi | I did not say I would pay for it. I need to find someone to buy it for me. |
| 15:42.20 | Xolan | lol |
| 15:42.32 | Bouvi | I have 2 PCs at home due to cost. |
| 15:43.33 | Bouvi | I want them to make an iPod with iPhone features without the phone part. |
| 15:44.00 | Xolan | cool to have the phone part too though |
| 15:44.23 | Bouvi | Yeah but I am not switching providers for it. |
| 15:44.31 | Xolan | right, but I live in europe so :-) |
| 15:45.03 | Bouvi | What does living in Europe have to do with it? |
| 15:45.11 | Xolan | I'm pretty sure they'll make it compatible with other systems over time |
| 15:45.23 | Xolan | most/all providers use GSM here |
| 15:45.30 | Bouvi | AHHH |
| 15:45.41 | Bouvi | If they would make it Verizon compatible I would be set. |
| 15:46.02 | Bouvi | But I like my Razr |
| 15:46.19 | Xolan | very sleek looking |
| 15:47.20 | Bouvi | But imagine something the size of the iPod with the storage capacity and the iPhone interface and web ability. |
| 15:47.28 | Bouvi | Near a wifi look up ANYTHING |
| 15:47.38 | Xolan | iPhone has wifi |
| 15:48.08 | Bouvi | Yepper but without the phone part the ipod might be cheaper with more storage. |
| 15:48.15 | Xolan | you seen the demonstration at apple.com/iphone |
| 15:48.16 | Xolan | ture |
| 15:48.18 | Xolan | ? |
| 15:48.25 | Xolan | *true |
| 15:48.25 | Bouvi | Oh yes. Drool |
| 15:48.31 | Bouvi | Watched the entire keynote |
| 15:48.33 | Xolan | I loved the google maps part |
| 15:49.00 | Xolan | map/sattelite images/phone numbers and adresses |
| 15:49.06 | Xolan | everything seems so accessable :) |
| 15:49.28 | Bouvi | I know it is beyond today |
| 15:49.47 | Bouvi | This is something I would not have thought of but it blows all the others out of the water. |
| 15:50.09 | Xolan | they'll probably retaliate though |
| 15:50.58 | Bouvi | Well it is kind of line the Zune. Now alot of people refer to an mp3 player as an ipod. I have seen older people call it that when it was something else. |
| 15:51.14 | Bouvi | Apple reinvented the wheel and really outshined themselves with this one. |
| 15:51.25 | Xolan | yep, although I don't like the ipod |
| 15:51.32 | TheKarn | i dont like apple |
| 15:51.43 | Bouvi | While the Zune maybe nice, the iPod has too much of a lead. |
| 15:51.43 | Xolan | DRM and proprietary software = poo |
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| 15:52.43 | Bouvi | Never bothered me I guess because I have been using Macs since college in the 80s. So I have always used like iTunes since it came out. |
| 15:53.10 | Xolan | Open Source ftw :) |
| 15:53.16 | Xolan | anyways, I smell food, back in 10 |
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| 15:54.36 | Bouvi | http://waxy.org/random/images/weblog/cartoon_skeletons/ |
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| 16:23.37 | Xolan | neat poem bouvi :P |
| 16:24.21 | Bouvi | lol I am bored at work |
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| 16:24.55 | Neuro_Medivh | so, what exactly is the dmg coefficient that the patch is refering to? |
| 16:25.28 | Bouvi | Good lord give me SPELLING!!!! |
| 16:25.46 | Bouvi | Today I cannot spell SHIF |
| 16:25.51 | Bouvi | SJIT |
| 16:25.57 | foxlit | SHIFT? |
| 16:25.58 | Bouvi | SHOT |
| 16:26.05 | Bouvi | AHIT |
| 16:26.10 | Neuro_Medivh | MILF? |
| 16:26.16 | Bouvi | yum |
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| 16:28.54 | Neuro_Medivh | cogwheel, do you know what this dmg coefficient is that the patch is refering to? |
| 16:28.59 | cogwheel | patch? |
| 16:29.04 | cogwheel | :P |
| 16:29.10 | Neuro_Medivh | that would be a no then =) |
| 16:29.15 | Cide | Neuro_Medivh: sec |
| 16:29.23 | Cide | <Cide> total damage = base damage + spellDamage (from gear) * X |
| 16:29.23 | Cide | <Cide> X = bonus coefficient |
| 16:29.26 | Xuerian | See? That's the graceful way to avoid letting on you don't know anything. Go up a level and feign ignorance to the entire scope. |
| 16:29.40 | Cide | X is usually equal to castTime / 3.5 |
| 16:29.54 | Cide | in the case of dots it's usually duration / 12sec I believe |
| 16:30.31 | Neuro_Medivh | lol |
| 16:30.38 | Neuro_Medivh | so lower is actually better |
| 16:31.19 | foxlit | Lower would mean that you get less benefit from +spelldamage |
| 16:32.09 | Neuro_Medivh | Ah, I see... |
| 16:32.18 | foxlit | Can't be bothered to get to the bottom of what the patch means to mages, though |
| 16:32.37 | Neuro_Medivh | that's just retarded then... there's no point at all in taking improved frostbolt anymore |
| 16:32.51 | foxlit | Do the math :) |
| 16:34.43 | Bouvi | I need to hook my computer up to my 65" hi-def widescreen. Big WoW. I already have cordless keyboard and mouse. hmmmm. |
| 16:34.57 | foxlit | For approximation's sake, assume frostbolt does 600 damage by default, and has a coefficient of 1 |
| 16:35.11 | foxlit | You're also wearing ~400 +damage |
| 16:35.13 | cogwheel | 93" > 65" |
| 16:35.15 | cogwheel | :P |
| 16:35.28 | Xuerian | You don't count, cog :p |
| 16:35.34 | Bouvi | Yes yes but you try putting anything bigger in my living room |
| 16:35.35 | foxlit | (600 + 400 * 1) / 3.5 = 285 dps |
| 16:35.52 | foxlit | (600 + 400 * 0.9) / 3 = 300 dps |
| 16:35.57 | cogwheel | actually, it's only about a square foot by 4 inches... i'm just projecting straight onto the wall :) |
| 16:36.11 | Bouvi | lol |
| 16:36.30 | Bouvi | Wonder if I can get it to output to my high-def TV. |
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| 16:38.30 | Xolan | shouldn't be a problem? |
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| 16:40.12 | Neuro_Medivh | I wonder why they reduced mage coefficient and not other classes |
| 16:42.23 | foxlit | There is only one other class |
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| 16:44.16 | Neuro_Medivh | I count 3 other classes actually |
| 16:45.01 | Cide | priests too |
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| 16:45.20 | Cide | our "Empowered X"-spell doesn't need a nerf though |
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| 16:45.29 | Cide | it's worse than tier 4-talents already |
| 16:45.42 | YammYgirlcoding | Cide!! \o/ long time no see |
| 16:45.50 | Cide | hi... |
| 16:45.59 | YammYgirlcoding | anyone could say what pst time is it now? |
| 16:46.03 | Neuro_Medivh | Cide, it's not empowered, it's improved |
| 16:46.06 | cogwheel | 846 |
| 16:46.09 | sysrage | 8:46 |
| 16:46.11 | Cide | Neuro_Medivh: ah, okay |
| 16:46.21 | Neuro_Medivh | so, the "reduced cast time" talents |
| 16:46.37 | vith_ | to quote a friend, the mage nerf was because "they've been doing stuff besides making me food/water" |
| 16:46.39 | foxlit | Only warlocks actually spend any significant amount of time casting nukes. |
| 16:46.53 | foxlit | Druids are unseen, priests heal. |
| 16:46.55 | sysrage | rofl vith |
| 16:47.05 | Neuro_Medivh | yes, but they are so big on "consistancy" |
| 16:47.14 | Neuro_Medivh | and the class I was really thinking about were Shaman |
| 16:47.17 | foxlit | Nah they aren't. |
| 16:47.22 | foxlit | CS is back without GCD :) |
| 16:47.27 | sysrage | HELL YA |
| 16:47.33 | sysrage | and mana shield blocks magic!! |
| 16:47.35 | Neuro_Medivh | it's a bit unfair not to nerf Shaman's reduced casting time talent |
| 16:47.40 | Cide | most unnecessary change ever |
| 16:47.42 | Cide | (mage CS) |
| 16:47.46 | sysrage | no way |
| 16:47.46 | sysrage | it rocks |
| 16:47.53 | Cide | it sure does |
| 16:48.02 | Cide | too much |
| 16:48.12 | sysrage | pfft |
| 16:48.57 | KaoS` | good lord what patch is out today |
| 16:49.14 | Cide | 2.0.6 |
| 16:49.15 | KaoS` | didn't they just release a PTR for 2.0.6? |
| 16:49.26 | Cide | yes |
| 16:49.33 | KaoS` | what 2 days of testing? lol |
| 16:50.27 | Cide | not a very large patch |
| 16:50.49 | KaoS` | hunters got nerfed? |
| 16:50.54 | Cide | yes |
| 16:51.27 | Neuro_Medivh | "Silencing Shot" now does only 50% of weapon damage instead of 75%. |
| 16:51.27 | Neuro_Medivh | The base damage for "Arcane Shot" has been reduced by about 9% and the bonus damage from ranged attack power reduced from 20% to 15%. |
| 16:51.27 | Neuro_Medivh | The bonus damage for "Barrage" is now 4/8/12% for ranks 1/2/3. |
| 16:51.27 | Neuro_Medivh | The bonus damage for "Improved Barrage" is now 4/8/12% for ranks 1/2/3. |
| 16:51.33 | KaoS` | good :) |
| 16:51.47 | KaoS` | they need to buff shammies :) |
| 16:52.15 | Neuro_Medivh | now that I play a draenei shaman, I agree =) |
| 16:52.18 | sysrage | they need to just ditch silencing shot altogether :P |
| 16:52.20 | sysrage | damn hunters :P |
| 16:53.06 | KaoS` | got my shammie to lvl 62 yesterday |
| 16:53.35 | KaoS` | I have to say tho, that its so nice in the BG to find all this mail gear with +AP |
| 16:53.38 | KaoS` | I have never seen that before |
| 16:53.46 | KaoS` | BC * even |
| 16:53.51 | YammYgirlcoding | how many hours playing to go from 60 to 62? |
| 16:54.13 | Cide | ~10? |
| 16:54.14 | purl | There are 10 types of people in this world. Those who understand binary and those who don't. |
| 16:54.21 | sysrage | i've gotten a level a day since xpac and i don't play a lot |
| 16:54.23 | Cide | thanks, purl... |
| 16:54.40 | YammYgirlcoding | a level a day playing for how long? 8 hours? |
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| 16:55.15 | KaoS` | I dunno took me like 4 days |
| 16:55.19 | KaoS` | maybe 5 |
| 16:55.22 | KaoS` | I don't play enough tho |
| 16:55.46 | YammYgirlcoding | hmmm seems to be easier to level that before |
| 16:55.49 | YammYgirlcoding | than |
| 16:55.51 | sysrage | dunno. maybe 8 hours. i don't pay attention |
| 16:56.02 | sysrage | seems about the same as before to me |
| 16:56.08 | KaoS` | I don't know how the person who did lvl 70 in 28 hours |
| 16:56.10 | KaoS` | that is mad. |
| 16:56.10 | YammYgirlcoding | i remember that from 59 to 60 it took forever |
| 16:56.16 | sysrage | he had 40 people helping him |
| 16:56.25 | KaoS` | doing what? |
| 16:56.28 | YammYgirlcoding | omg! is that true? 28 hours!??!?!?! |
| 16:56.30 | sysrage | killing non stop |
| 16:56.30 | KaoS` | healing healing and healing / |
| 16:56.33 | Xolan | he tapping, the others killing |
| 16:56.35 | YammYgirlcoding | is that joana's ? |
| 16:56.37 | Xolan | I guess |
| 16:56.48 | sysrage | ya that's what they did, xolan |
| 16:57.29 | sysrage | is the non-epic flying mount same run speed as the epic non-flying mount? |
| 16:57.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | man i can tell this thing on cinematech is a wc3 cutscene from the first 5 seconds without seeing anything on my tv, since it's broken |
| 16:57.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | is that bad |
| 16:57.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | just from the audio |
| 16:58.01 | KaoS` | I don't now how people are making gold so fast? |
| 16:58.08 | KaoS` | my repair bills are killing me |
| 16:58.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's the grom/thrall/magtheridon cutscene |
| 16:58.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | KaoS`, stop dying :p |
| 16:58.18 | sysrage | i make 200g a day easy |
| 16:58.32 | YammYgirlcoding | KaoS` people say that gold is pretty easy at BC |
| 16:58.34 | sysrage | and i'm not even using AH or doing tradeskills |
| 16:58.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm making about 100 a day but i'm hoarding my enchanting supplies |
| 16:58.46 | KaoS` | I respec with some Restro |
| 16:58.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | aka not vendoring greens |
| 16:58.49 | KaoS` | hope that helps a bit |
| 16:58.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | shaman? |
| 16:58.56 | sysrage | ya i vendor everything |
| 16:58.56 | KaoS` | yeah |
| 16:59.17 | Cide | getting gold at 70 is way easy |
| 16:59.27 | Neuro_Medivh | yes it is |
| 16:59.27 | YammYgirlcoding | I have five 60 chars. is it crazy to level all them? :) |
| 16:59.36 | Neuro_Medivh | No |
| 16:59.51 | Neuro_Medivh | it might have been crazy to make 5 lvl 60s in the first place though =) |
| 17:00.09 | YammYgirlcoding | well. it took 2 years of night playing and weekends :) |
| 17:00.35 | YammYgirlcoding | and a lot of patience :) |
| 17:01.20 | KaoS` | god damn |
| 17:01.23 | KaoS` | I have 1 lvl 62 |
| 17:01.23 | Gryphen | I shall damn it! |
| 17:01.34 | KaoS` | my next highest alt is 32, and before that, I think lvl 9 |
| 17:01.40 | YammYgirlcoding | =) |
| 17:02.00 | KaoS` | stopped playing all my alts, waiting for blood efl to come out |
| 17:02.05 | YammYgirlcoding | i'm also willing to make more 2 blood elves =^^= |
| 17:02.29 | KaoS` | I just don't like pallys.. so not sure what to make |
| 17:02.34 | KaoS` | thinking rouge. |
| 17:02.36 | KaoS` | but not sure |
| 17:03.06 | Cide | if you're bored... behold the best pvp vidoe ever: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1393677960885570768 |
| 17:05.32 | Neebler | ROFL |
| 17:06.36 | Xolan | Cide: Great song tho :P (the Rhapsody one) |
| 17:07.09 | Cide | the video is hilarious |
| 17:08.09 | haste | I challenge that video with: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4837609090332617729 |
| 17:08.12 | Xolan | lol the "mom came into my room" part was pretty fun :) |
| 17:08.12 | KaoS` | haha |
| 17:08.13 | KaoS` | that was funny |
| 17:09.12 | KaoS` | haha its on a old MAC too |
| 17:09.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | that somethingawf video has pretty much scene-by-scene parodies of other videos |
| 17:09.23 | Cide | yeah |
| 17:09.27 | Cide | that's why it's hilarious |
| 17:09.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | i love it |
| 17:09.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | i love goons |
| 17:09.47 | Neuro_Medivh | Cide, that movie is eh... half the 'super kills' are newbies, you can tell by the background. |
| 17:09.49 | Cide | the zoom into random things part is awesome :P |
| 17:09.53 | Cide | Neuro_Medivh: it's a satire |
| 17:10.01 | Neuro_Medivh | ahh |
| 17:10.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | when it cuts to tupac |
| 17:10.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | hahaha |
| 17:10.10 | Neuro_Medivh | seen so many that look like that for real, it's hard to tell |
| 17:10.11 | KaoS` | yeah wtf is it doing cutting to tupac? |
| 17:10.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | and the "high warlord mage" is like level 12 |
| 17:10.20 | Neuro_Medivh | yeah |
| 17:10.31 | Cide | hahaha, that's why it rocks |
| 17:10.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | and he shakes the camera violently to make it look like good editing |
| 17:10.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | so many real video guys do that |
| 17:10.44 | Neuro_Medivh | so they intentionally fucked up the quote at the end? |
| 17:10.57 | Cide | I'm sure |
| 17:11.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | everything in that video is intentional |
| 17:11.03 | Neuro_Medivh | ok |
| 17:11.13 | Cide | that's why it rocks |
| 17:11.24 | Neuro_Medivh | trying to figure out what that song at the very end is, it sounds familiar |
| 17:11.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | at the end |
| 17:11.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | one sec |
| 17:11.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | andrew wk - party hard |
| 17:12.18 | Neuro_Medivh | ahh |
| 17:12.28 | Neuro_Medivh | then no, I don't know it |
| 17:12.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | the counterstrike sounds and the crosshairs |
| 17:12.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | hahaha |
| 17:12.53 | KaoS` | av is so rigged now tho |
| 17:12.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | pretty much every andrew w k song is about partying |
| 17:12.56 | KaoS` | blah |
| 17:14.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://youtube.com/watch?v=cwHn6Q1BiXg |
| 17:17.30 | Neuro_Medivh | I never really liked ATHF... guess it's my lack of pot smoking |
| 17:18.18 | Neuro_Medivh | Venture Bros, though, is just hysterical |
| 17:19.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | athf is hit or miss |
| 17:19.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | especially recent episodes |
| 17:19.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | the only good episodes this season were handbanana and party all the time, even though it was incredibly depressing |
| 17:21.59 | Xolan | "Don't copy that floppy!" hehe was awesome :) |
| 17:22.05 | Xolan | better quality here though http://youtube.com/watch?v=-Xfqkdh5Js4&mode=related&search= |
| 17:23.38 | KaoS` | lol |
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| 17:31.31 | muerl | does anyone know a place to get an updated nurfed? |
| 17:33.35 | Cide | let me guess... www.nurfedui.com |
| 17:33.42 | muerl | nope |
| 17:33.43 | Cide | nope |
| 17:33.50 | Cide | second guess |
| 17:33.54 | muerl | server = down |
| 17:33.54 | Cide | http://www.google.se/search?q=nurfed+ui&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a |
| 17:34.05 | muerl | curse / worldofwar dont have udpated versions |
| 17:34.18 | muerl | hmm maybe google in swedish is better i'll give it a shot, i tryed in english |
| 17:34.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm guessing nowhere then :p |
| 17:35.37 | muerl | (i was hoping these was some hidden mirror only cool peopl eon irc would know about :p)( |
| 17:36.44 | Xolan | mm dog beer http://beeradvocate.com/forum/read/917115 |
| 17:38.03 | KaoS` | are all these updates really screwing with UI's? |
| 17:38.29 | muerl | sort of |
| 17:38.48 | muerl | i havent actually had a serious bug with it, but ts out of data, and i would rahter not just hack the toc |
| 17:38.57 | muerl | and its still missing features post 2.0 |
| 17:41.10 | Neuro_Medivh | did they change the toc? |
| 17:41.34 | muerl | umm .. this isnt realted to todays patch |
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| 17:41.51 | muerl | i just decided yesterday i was sick of using somewhat dated addons |
| 17:42.26 | Neuro_Medivh | ahh |
| 17:43.39 | KaoS` | they are up |
| 17:43.40 | KaoS` | it seems |
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| 18:14.13 | Bouvi | Quiet |
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| 18:23.17 | cogwheel | zomgshhhhh |
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| 19:16.22 | cogwheel | i said shhhhhhhhhhh |
| 19:16.27 | cogwheel | :P |
| 19:16.35 | Bouvi | But the silence is driving me crazy!!! |
| 19:17.13 | cogwheel | bangbangbangbangbangbangbangbangbangbangbangbangbang |
| 19:17.37 | Bouvi | Point made |
| 19:18.14 | Kirkburn|afk | "Blizzard happily announced today that The Burning Crusade has just shattered the so-called "day one" sales record and has become the fastest selling PC title ever for both North America and Europe - selling around 2.4 million copies in the first 24 hours alone." |
| 19:18.15 | Bouvi | but but I will be gone till next Monday. Won't anyone miss me *sob* |
| 19:18.41 | cogwheel | ~emulate crickets |
| 19:18.47 | cogwheel | XD |
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| 19:26.32 | Cairenn | repeating, but with a bit more detail: |
| 19:26.36 | Cairenn | In news that should come as no surprise to anyone, Blizzard has announced that their Burning Crusade expansion pack has become the fastest selling PC game ever in North America and Europe. Within the first 24 hours of release, nearly 2.4 million copies were sold around the world, with close to 1.2 million sold in North America and over 1.1 million sold in Europe. By the end of launch day 1.7 million accounts had already been upgraded |
| 19:26.44 | Tierrie|Work | only? |
| 19:26.49 | Tierrie|Work | 2.4 is like nothing |
| 19:26.50 | Cairenn | "Meanwhile, SOE executives committed mass seppuku in defeat." |
| 19:26.55 | Tierrie|Work | oh good |
| 19:26.58 | Tierrie|Work | SOE is going to the dumps |
| 19:27.06 | Tierrie|Work | PS3 oh gnoez |
| 19:27.09 | Cairenn | that was *my* addendum :p |
| 19:27.12 | Tierrie|Work | EQ2 oh gnoz |
| 19:27.22 | Tierrie|Work | well, less amusing then |
| 19:27.48 | Tierrie|Work | so |
| 19:27.55 | Tierrie|Work | how much are TBC CE's selling for now |
| 19:30.24 | Tierrie|Work | :( only 100 |
| 19:34.36 | TC_Working | hmm...i still havent updated my account yet |
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| 19:34.42 | TC_Working | <----- lazy bastard |
| 19:35.08 | Bouvi | I am almost 62 casually playing. Get off your arse. |
| 19:35.30 | TC_Working | thats the problem i am on my arse 9 hours a day for work...dont want to do that when i get home |
| 19:35.55 | Xolan | bring wow to work :) |
| 19:36.47 | Xolan | lol |
| 19:36.53 | TC_Working | i have been told that "it is not good" though the person telling me that was playing 2nd life at the time so i may need to ask higer up the chain |
| 19:37.32 | Bouvi | Even if I cannot SPELL |
| 19:37.59 | TC_Working | http://secondlife.com/ |
| 19:38.19 | Xolan | I meant "06Bouvi loves it and recommends it01" - which? wow or 2nd life? :) |
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| 19:38.41 | kaso | http://getafirstlife.com/ :> |
| 19:38.43 | TC_Working | i'm guessing WoW @ work |
| 19:39.13 | Xolan | that would rock indeed |
| 19:39.48 | TC_Working | i have the time, way way way to much time |
| 19:41.02 | Bouvi | I play sometimes during lunch or put it in a small window to work on an addon |
| 19:41.47 | Xolan | >:) |
| 19:41.54 | Bouvi | I had the expansions shipped to work so when I got them I had them open and both mine and my wife's accounts upgraded in seconds. |
| 19:42.16 | Xolan | still haven't got mine... |
| 19:42.39 | Xolan | figured there was no use yet since I'm leaving tomorrow anyways :) |
| 19:42.50 | Bouvi | I did not expect to get mine the day of release but since I paid overnight that I would get it the day after. Best Buy had it to me on release day |
| 19:46.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | i think i'm getting a fel iron rod for 1g |
| 19:47.22 | Tierrie|Work | what! |
| 19:47.27 | Tierrie|Work | that's next to nothing |
| 19:47.32 | Tierrie|Work | 1g is like, piss in TBC |
| 19:47.42 | kaso | How does cd work again in windows, can you do cd c:\fred\World of Warcraft\ without having to worry about quotes for the spaces? |
| 19:47.52 | Tierrie|Work | in WindowsXP yes |
| 19:47.59 | Tierrie|Work | but its better to use quotes |
| 19:48.01 | Tierrie|Work | or in scrips |
| 19:48.14 | kaso | hokay |
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| 19:54.55 | ckknight | how would one check if you can send messages to the guild channel? some guilds prevent newbies from doing so |
| 19:55.19 | TC_Working | ask for a response? |
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| 19:59.16 | kaso | just sent one regardless and if you dont get a Chat_msg_guild mark it as non-speakable. |
| 19:59.40 | Xolan | wouldn't that require the "newbies" to have the mod aswell? |
| 19:59.45 | ckknight | but that'll create spam, kaso |
| 20:00.20 | kaso | Where would you need to know if you can send to guild when you're not actually sending to guild? |
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| 20:02.24 | ckknight | kaso: addon messages |
| 20:03.19 | kaso | oh, are you also blocked sending addon messages to guild ? didnt know that |
| 20:03.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | O_O |
| 20:03.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | that sounds like unintended behavior |
| 20:06.35 | Tierrie|Work | hmm I really like wowhead |
| 20:07.03 | Tierrie|Work | like infinitely more than allakhazam or thottbot |
| 20:07.35 | Neebler` | people like simple and organized things. like google |
| 20:07.52 | Neebler` | compact layouts rather |
| 20:09.04 | kaso | ooh i like their spell database thats pretty |
| 20:09.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | and the filters |
| 20:09.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | are awesome |
| 20:09.43 | kaso | do they use real Spell/Item IDs? |
| 20:10.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | mhm i think |
| 20:14.15 | cogwheel | cide, ping |
| 20:14.38 | Cide | pong |
| 20:14.47 | Tierrie|Work | you could search for it i think |
| 20:14.59 | Tierrie|Work | thottbot is easy too but its database is messy |
| 20:15.09 | cogwheel | cide, off the top of your head, is there an easy function call i could use to change viewport settings? I want to make a screenshot macro that hides my ui, expands all my viewport margins, takes the shot, and returns everything to the way it was |
| 20:15.10 | Tierrie|Work | allakhazam is a nightmare in UI but its db is nicely culled |
| 20:15.32 | Cide | cogwheel: there is |
| 20:16.09 | Cide | SlashCmdList.VIEWPORT("<left> <right> <top> <bottom>") |
| 20:16.12 | TC_Working | Tierrie|Work, wowhead is rather nicely set up |
| 20:16.27 | cogwheel | Cide: thanks :) |
| 20:16.35 | Cide | np |
| 20:16.43 | Tierrie|Work | yes and I like their promotions -- giving away stuff for intelligent comments can only serve to improve the quality of their feedback |
| 20:17.13 | TC_Working | and get people to do it, that would not normaly do it |
| 20:18.10 | Tierrie|Work | I wish they would create a filter on their jewels so that I can filter out rings and necklaces |
| 20:18.16 | Tierrie|Work | and just see gems |
| 20:18.28 | TC_Working | ask them |
| 20:18.58 | Tierrie|Work | these metagems -- they have requirements like "requires 5 blue gems" |
| 20:19.05 | Tierrie|Work | how is that possible? or does it mean, total |
| 20:20.01 | Cide | total |
| 20:20.36 | kaso | stops people stacking one type of gem on all theyre gear |
| 20:21.07 | kaso | their |
| 20:21.14 | Tierrie|Work | i think "Requires 5 blue gems" encourages it :P |
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| 20:22.44 | kaso | well they usually have like requires 5 blue and 4yellow |
| 20:23.07 | kaso | so like someone i know in my guild who has throw the same +9 healing gem in all his gear will get screwed |
| 20:23.14 | Tierrie|Work | as far as I can see, they usually don't have a pattern of requiring any particular # |
| 20:23.25 | Tierrie|Work | besides you can always use dual gems |
| 20:23.31 | Tierrie|Work | dual colored gems |
| 20:24.26 | kaso | do the multicolored ones count as either? |
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| 20:25.08 | Cide | yes |
| 20:29.55 | Tierrie|Work | 5 green gems will count as 5 blue and 5 yellow |
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| 20:33.02 | OnlyKeeper | hi, where a imay download DeuceCommander ? |
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| 20:35.42 | AnduinLothar | zomg wow patch |
| 20:36.27 | Tierrie|Work | try wowace.com |
| 20:36.28 | ckknight | ah, damn |
| 20:36.35 | TC_Working | http://www.wowace.com/wiki/DeuceCommander |
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| 20:38.20 | Floyd | hello |
| 20:38.29 | TC_Working | Hello Floyd |
| 20:38.39 | Floyd | is there any problem witch savedvariables and äüö ... ?? |
| 20:38.43 | AnduinLothar | lol "The /equip command will now work on pieces of gear that are not in your primary bag." |
| 20:39.06 | AnduinLothar | yay "Players will no longer hear the gong sound repeated after initially joining a queue for the battlegrounds." |
| 20:41.08 | Floyd | in the savedvariables its corretly saved (i create the file self) but is it posible that wow can't read this coeetly? |
| 20:42.12 | Floyd | nobody know this? |
| 20:42.36 | TC_Working | dont look at me, i am just here to poke fun at people |
| 20:42.45 | Floyd | :D |
| 20:43.01 | Josh_Borke | me too |
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| 20:43.36 | Kirkburn|afk | Hey all! I just overhauled the ClearFont website :) http://www.clearfont.co.uk/ |
| 20:43.59 | Kirkburn|afk | No more crappy tables! |
| 20:44.19 | AnduinLothar | hey, dont diss tables |
| 20:44.45 | AnduinLothar | tables served and continue to serve us very well. and tables have feeling too, just like css! |
| 20:45.12 | Bouvi | Usually it is the people that put the food on the tables that serve us |
| 20:45.42 | AnduinLothar | when was the last time you tipped a table? |
| 20:45.45 | Tierrie|Work | Woot! 2nd Hearthstone http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28585 |
| 20:47.24 | TC_Working | lol |
| 20:47.37 | Kirkburn|afk | Page design tables must die! Data tables I allow to continue living. |
| 20:47.47 | TC_Working | to bad the 2 cant be in 2 diff locations, like mark and recall |
| 20:47.52 | Kirkburn|afk | I'm benevolent like that. |
| 20:48.38 | AnduinLothar | ok kirk, I'll stop using tables if you can get 75% of all web users to use anythign other than IE |
| 20:49.12 | Kirkburn|afk | hehe |
| 20:49.23 | Kirkburn|afk | I have no idea if the ClearFont website works in IE6 |
| 20:49.28 | Floyd | for replave (ae) to "ä" is this right? "(%(ae%))" ,"ä" |
| 20:49.42 | Kirkburn|afk | Get them to upgrade to IE7, you'll have far more luck |
| 20:49.47 | Floyd | or have i wrong escipe? |
| 20:49.54 | AnduinLothar | every time i do a website with css it takes my 3x longer to get IE compat |
| 20:50.09 | TheKarn | AnduinLothar, i know where you're coming from |
| 20:50.26 | AnduinLothar | and i like css, but the haxs are kinda rediculous |
| 20:50.45 | Kirkburn|afk | I had no problems with IE7 for the ClearFont website, one or two for http://chig3.georgepribul.eu/, whilst IE6 was annoying for the chig one. It worked in the end though. |
| 20:50.50 | AnduinLothar | just look at the IE haxs here: http://www.cosmosui.org/forum.php?styleid=3 |
| 20:51.08 | AnduinLothar | or the main page is better |
| 20:51.20 | AnduinLothar | http://www.cosmosui.org/index.php?styleid=3 |
| 20:51.30 | Kirkburn|afk | "// invisible 100% width table hack for IE7 " |
| 20:51.34 | AnduinLothar | I especially love <script>maxWidth()</script> |
| 20:54.36 | Tierrie|Work | you can easily replace tables with divs and css |
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| 20:57.17 | AnduinLothar | define easily |
| 20:57.29 | AnduinLothar | when used for formatting IE fucks it all up |
| 20:57.52 | AnduinLothar | hell in IE table width is even different than all other browsers |
| 20:58.16 | AnduinLothar | it sets it as minwidth and ignores css minwidth/maxwidth |
| 20:58.34 | Tierrie|Work | yes and there's css tricks that handle that |
| 20:58.37 | Tierrie|Work | its not that different |
| 20:58.54 | AnduinLothar | I didn't say it wasn't possible |
| 20:58.54 | Tierrie|Work | as long as you approach css with an open mind and an understand that its almost a programming language |
| 20:58.59 | AnduinLothar | tricks != easy |
| 20:59.07 | Tierrie|Work | knowing+experience = easy |
| 20:59.15 | Tierrie|Work | not knowing != hard |
| 20:59.24 | AnduinLothar | easy for a pro != easy |
| 20:59.35 | Tierrie|Work | Didn't say was easy for a pro |
| 20:59.42 | AnduinLothar | knowing+experience = pro |
| 21:00.40 | Tierrie|Work | somewhere along the way you've skipped the thousands of programmers that ride the line between clueless and pros -- some of them just read the stuff as they go along and have no problems |
| 21:00.49 | AnduinLothar | you're arguing for the sake of arguing now so i'm done |
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| 21:03.25 | Floyd | oky thats will be the error .. in savedvariables the are not wirks äüö... but (ae) and replace to ä will works |
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| 21:20.15 | TheStig | is there any way of modifying elkano's buff bar to keep track of how many points of damage certain types of shields have remaining to absorb? |
| 21:20.42 | Cide | that's probably tough |
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| 21:22.36 | kaso | TheStig, i used to have my shield's remaining damage displaying as the "Charges" left on the shield buff that worked fairly well |
| 21:23.12 | Xuerian | TheStig: 1: Parse chatlog for (# Absorbed) messages. 2: Calculate total value of your shield. 3: Subtract cumulative absorbed from total. 4: ??? 5: Profit! |
| 21:23.34 | Xuerian | Or something like that... |
| 21:24.07 | TheStig | hehe |
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| 21:24.32 | kaso | Did you mean display the damage left as the progress bar of the buff however? |
| 21:25.06 | TheStig | i was thinking something like a vertical meter mod on elkano's bar specifically made to show progress of shields and rogue poisons |
| 21:25.36 | Xuerian | You might be able to do like Kaso did and put it as the charges on EBB, any other modifications would be rather interesting. |
| 21:26.31 | kaso | mm, my way was 5lines of code (if you can get a working ShieldMod) doing a proper meter would mean hacking apart Buff bars |
| 21:26.52 | TheStig | or starting from scratch lol |
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| 21:54.07 | wereHamster | here is a picture of chuck norris: http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/1025/chucknorris5qx.jpg |
| 21:55.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh hell yeah, shattrath's /2 is linked to the other capitals now |
| 21:55.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | one step away from an AH |
| 21:58.22 | Neuro_Medivh | wtf is The Black Flame? Cause I want a riding turtle! |
| 22:00.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | trading card game |
| 22:00.27 | Neuro_Medivh | Ahh |
| 22:00.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | and i think the turtle is only walking speed |
| 22:00.36 | Neuro_Medivh | oh =( |
| 22:00.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | 50% of run speed |
| 22:01.21 | |FF|Im2good4u | if they add a AH in shattrath they might asweladd class trainers |
| 22:01.24 | Neuro_Medivh | epic turtle would have been Best Mount Evah |
| 22:01.37 | |FF|Im2good4u | but noone of the hogh level players will ever leave outlands again.. |
| 22:01.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | they hardly do now |
| 22:02.03 | Neuro_Medivh | that's why |
| 22:02.08 | |FF|Im2good4u | they dont do now becase they need to level but at level 70 it will chnace |
| 22:02.11 | Neuro_Medivh | they don't want shat becoming overpopulated |
| 22:02.12 | foxlit | AH works like this: mail to AH mule, put up for auction |
| 22:02.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | no reason but cot and jara |
| 22:02.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | kara' |
| 22:02.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's wreaking havok with my enchanting |
| 22:02.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | havoc* |
| 22:02.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | blah i need to sleep i can't type |
| 22:02.50 | |FF|Im2good4u | does any1 know about that new duingion in dead wind pass or was that a lie ? |
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| 22:03.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah,, karazhan |
| 22:03.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | medivh's tower |
| 22:03.29 | |FF|Im2good4u | is that in dead winds pass ? |
| 22:03.33 | |FF|Im2good4u | wut level is it ? |
| 22:03.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | 70 |
| 22:04.17 | |FF|Im2good4u | ah dahm.. |
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| 22:17.24 | zenzelezz | are stats from "of [the] Something" in any way different from "Equip: +samestat"? |
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| 22:18.06 | kaso | Nope |
| 22:18.20 | kaso | +dmg Damage and Healing is the same as equip bonus of the same |
| 22:18.26 | sysrage | god damnit. is there a way to make it stop unchecking load out of date addons ever patch? |
| 22:18.33 | kaso | nope |
| 22:18.38 | kaso | thats in the GlueXML |
| 22:18.40 | sysrage | i forget every damn time to re-check it and then i have to fix all my damn windows |
| 22:18.41 | kaso | out of our reach |
| 22:18.45 | sysrage | so friggin annoying |
| 22:19.09 | kaso | zenzelezz if you want it to be all displayed the same try my addon http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6505-JTips.html /plug |
| 22:19.58 | zenzelezz | I might do that, thanks =) |
| 22:22.04 | wereHamster | sysrage, make Config.wtf read-only |
| 22:22.36 | Corr[discon] | sysrage: i seriously recommeng backing up your layout-cache.txt and chat-cache.txt files for each character |
| 22:22.58 | sysrage | okie |
| 22:23.15 | Corr[discon] | layout-cache.txt stores the positions of all windows that let the WoW UI manage their positions, which is a silly thing to do, because if you ever load the game without the addon enabled, the frames are removed from the file so they go back to default positions |
| 22:23.16 | sysrage | chat windows aren't a problem. just some mods don't seem to remember their positions |
| 22:23.31 | sysrage | ok that's the one i need |
| 22:23.31 | sysrage | thanks |
| 22:23.35 | Corrodias | np |
| 22:24.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | energywatch stores its location in the layout-cache instead of savedvariables, so every patch i gotta reset it, but no biggie |
| 22:26.44 | Corrodias | i hate when addons use layout-cache because i have to propogate any changes to all my other characters |
| 22:27.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'll propogate changes to your face with my fist |
| 22:27.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | okay |
| 22:27.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | i need to sleep |
| 22:27.19 | sysrage | sw stats and klh both get reset |
| 22:27.21 | Corrodias | i'll propogate your ass to kicked |
| 22:27.30 | sysrage | cryolysis used to, that's finally fixed |
| 22:28.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | both gonffbar and kenergy just weren't as reliable as energywatch, or i'd use them |
| 22:29.21 | Corrodias | what do they all do? |
| 22:30.18 | foxlit | Theory 1: Druids are imba. Theory 2: Group [3] marked quests are actually soloable. |
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| 22:31.19 | kaso | Surely those are Hypotheses |
| 22:31.46 | Corrodias | some quests will have an easier time at group quests than others |
| 22:31.53 | Corrodias | *at particular group quests |
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| 22:32.26 | Corrodias | if it involves killing a tough, yet snareable single mob, a druid or frost mage should have an easy time of it. |
| 22:32.35 | Corrodias | assuming it's outside, that is |
| 22:32.42 | sysrage | ya. i can solo everything except the ones that you can't slow or snare |
| 22:32.50 | sysrage | (frost mage) |
| 22:33.47 | foxlit | Mm, most of the things I had in mind were snare-immune |
| 22:34.47 | kaso | on a priest i could kill anything that doesnt run faster than a PC, or didnt have more hp than my mana could manage, but dot kiting takes sooo long |
| 22:35.56 | Corrodias | i was having a damn blast as a moonkin last night. i didn't run into any snare-immune mobs, fortunately, but if i did, at least i would have the armor bonus to protect me while i dotted and wrathed it |
| 22:36.32 | foxlit | Things tend to run faster than moonkins |
| 22:38.06 | Corrodias | well, it's not like we have a movement speed penalty. |
| 22:38.06 | foxlit | True, true. |
| 22:38.10 | Corrodias | but most mobs do run faster than a PC's 100% run speed |
| 22:38.12 | foxlit | It's just that most mobs run at over 100% :) |
| 22:38.24 | Corrodias | i've learned the joy of roots |
| 22:38.29 | Tierrie|Work | I tried killed Apex and Cragskarr |
| 22:38.34 | Tierrie|Work | Boy I got my face smashed in |
| 22:38.42 | Tierrie|Work | Apex was like "lol puny snares" |
| 22:38.45 | foxlit | Full Triangle boss, nether dragon boss :) |
| 22:38.55 | Tierrie|Work | Cragskarr was like "lol mage did what?" |
| 22:39.16 | Tierrie|Work | actually I felt Apex and Crag was worse because they spawned stuff |
| 22:39.18 | foxlit | Crag is annoying because of all the adds |
| 22:39.28 | Tierrie|Work | I did get Apex and the Full Triangle boss down to 5% |
| 22:39.29 | Corrodias | [away] @ picking up the cats |
| 22:39.38 | Tierrie|Work | I think if I had slightly better gear and experience I could have done it |
| 22:39.55 | Tierrie|Work | I use the Water Elemental to start the fight |
| 22:39.58 | foxlit | Working on forge camp bosses atm |
| 22:40.03 | Tierrie|Work | And stand like ways away |
| 22:40.20 | Tierrie|Work | When theboss approaches the WE, I start bolting it, eventually it'll turn on me, hopefully WE is still alive |
| 22:40.30 | Tierrie|Work | Then IB when it gets to me, then unblock and continue bolting |
| 22:40.36 | ckknight | anyone a guild leader (US) who want to help me with a connundrum? I need to get a quick ginvite without the ability to talk in the guild channel. |
| 22:40.37 | Tierrie|Work | Coldsnap and WE / repeat |
| 22:40.38 | foxlit | Hah, novel |
| 22:40.59 | Tierrie|Work | ckknight: you need to create a new position/rank with no guild chat privileges |
| 22:41.02 | Tierrie|Work | then demote them to it |
| 22:41.10 | ckknight | yea, I'm not a guild leader. |
| 22:41.53 | Tierrie|Work | foxlit: it works well but my 1st and 2nd WE ran out of mana then I died, so I guess I need more +damage |
| 22:42.17 | Tierrie|Work | ckknight: you need to be invited to a guild? |
| 22:42.18 | Tierrie|Work | i seeeee |
| 22:42.22 | Tierrie|Work | no i 'm not a GM |
| 22:42.40 | ckknight | break19's setting me up |
| 22:42.44 | foxlit | My relatively tame "scratch scratch claw claw, bite" strategy worked :) |
| 22:43.05 | Tierrie|Work | you're a druid? |
| 22:43.18 | Tierrie|Work | I thought you were a mage from what you were saying earlier :) |
| 22:43.35 | Tierrie|Work | i've soloed up to Group [3] myself as well, i like those quests |
| 22:43.45 | kremonte | soloing elites is fun |
| 22:43.57 | Tierrie|Work | yes |
| 22:44.00 | kremonte | getting 3.9k XP for one mob is awesome, then another 12k makes it jawesome |
| 22:44.30 | Tierrie|Work | i don't know about 3.9k XP |
| 22:44.36 | Tierrie|Work | i usually don't get more than 2k for one |
| 22:45.21 | nevcairiel | with rested you can get 3.9k :) |
| 22:45.27 | sysrage | getting 1500 just for walking into an area is awesome |
| 22:45.35 | foxlit | Forgemaster Morug bit the dust |
| 22:45.40 | Tierrie|Work | oh ok I didn't think you meant with rested :P |
| 22:45.49 | foxlit | 1160 xp, unrested |
| 22:45.55 | Tierrie|Work | the toughest boss I've fought so far is nexus king |
| 22:46.01 | Tierrie|Work | even dimensius was easier |
| 22:46.14 | foxlit | Those soloable, or did you bring friends? :) |
| 22:46.25 | Tierrie|Work | its Group [5] |
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| 22:46.33 | Tierrie|Work | but we did it with 5 one time, and 6 another |
| 22:46.35 | foxlit | I know what it is, I'm wondering what you did :) |
| 22:46.39 | Tierrie|Work | and in the 5 we lost like 2 people |
| 22:46.44 | foxlit | Same two quests are in my questlog atm |
| 22:47.02 | Tierrie|Work | they both require 5 |
| 22:47.08 | beNson__ | jesus, my irc-icon keeps blinking.. would you mind? :P |
| 22:47.24 | foxlit | ./part :) |
| 22:47.34 | Tierrie|Work | nexus king might need more, its really tough, he spawns unsnarable adds |
| 22:47.35 | foxlit | <Tierrie|Work> you're a druid? |
| 22:47.37 | foxlit | Both, actually |
| 22:47.38 | beNson__ | I was just kidding.. I get bored.. |
| 22:47.41 | kaso | Oh beta dimensius was so much harder, but i think thats cos he was just bugged and he twoshot anyone in the building when he went crazy. |
| 22:47.48 | foxlit | Playing a druid at the moment; did Naxx with a mage. |
| 22:47.52 | Tierrie|Work | ah kk |
| 22:48.05 | Tierrie|Work | yeah beta dimensius was hard, easy now though |
| 22:48.20 | Tierrie|Work | i'm going to do Botanicar tonight :D or maybe Mechnaar |
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| 22:50.07 | foxlit | Generally, anything that's stunnable is doable with a druid |
| 22:50.27 | Tierrie|Work | anything fearable is doable with a warlock :D |
| 22:50.51 | foxlit | Yeah, but stun seems to be the least frequently occuring immunity :) |
| 22:51.04 | Tierrie|Work | yeah and the shortest duration |
| 22:51.31 | foxlit | HT fits right in :) |
| 22:54.54 | Tierrie|Work | it must be longer than a rogues then |
| 22:54.58 | Tierrie|Work | druid's a class i've never played :( |
| 22:57.15 | foxlit | Bash is 5 seconds |
| 22:57.27 | foxlit | (that is, with talents) |
| 22:59.05 | Tierrie|Work | nice |
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| 23:02.54 | beNson__ | Hey, Valentine's Day is coming up.. all got a good gift? :D |
| 23:03.03 | iRRVi | nope |
| 23:03.24 | beNson__ | Because if you don't.. I have a suggestion: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dmVU08zVpA |
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| 23:06.17 | Kirkburn|afk | Bump me, bump me, ;) http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=118321911&postId=1185937003&sid=1#2 |
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| 23:07.28 | kaso | Kirkburn, do a stealthbump, reply to the topic then delete your post :> |
| 23:08.01 | beNson__ | That's not really kosher.. |
| 23:08.40 | kaso | But noone will ever know! |
| 23:08.51 | beNson__ | He will know.. |
| 23:09.04 | iRRVi | did/is everyone else's patch download go really slow? |
| 23:09.06 | beNson__ | And if he has a conciousness.. well.. he's in trouble then.. |
| 23:09.41 | beNson__ | iRRVi: Using the Blizzard Downloader? |
| 23:09.49 | iRRVi | yeah |
| 23:10.03 | iRRVi | *is too lazy to use anything else* |
| 23:10.05 | beNson__ | iRRVi: Extract the torrent and use any other BT client.. |
| 23:10.21 | beNson__ | Well.. then you're gonna have to wait. |
| 23:10.28 | iRRVi | k |
| 23:10.32 | Kirkburn|afk | kaso, I thought they broke that? |
| 23:10.37 | beNson__ | Or just ask Blizzard to update their fickin' client :D |
| 23:10.55 | iRRVi | ...how do I extrace the torrent |
| 23:12.06 | beNson__ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blizzard_Downloader |
| 23:12.17 | kaso | they did? |
| 23:12.33 | kaso | i havent done it for a while but im pretty sure it worked with the new forums at one point |
| 23:13.50 | beNson__ | Plus it would not be kosher! |
| 23:14.11 | beNson__ | And again.. I get bored.. |
| 23:14.17 | kaso | Kirkburn you're right it was fixed |
| 23:14.47 | beNson__ | How do you figure? |
| 23:14.57 | beNson__ | Did you do something.. unkosher? :P |
| 23:15.34 | kaso | maybe# |
| 23:15.46 | beNson__ | It's gonna haunt you.. |
| 23:15.57 | kaso | its not that bad, you'd make out like im eating babies or something |
| 23:16.30 | beNson__ | It's still unkosher.. you can't have that.. |
| 23:16.43 | kaso | hu? |
| 23:16.46 | kaso | cant have what? |
| 23:17.21 | beNson__ | I'm sorry.. I'm currently writing nonsense.. |
| 23:17.48 | beNson__ | It's about time someone gave me a temp ban, so I can move on and do something.. |
| 23:19.11 | beNson__ | Kay.. I'm outa here |
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| 23:49.28 | Tierrie|Work | oh no |
| 23:49.30 | Tierrie|Work | i broke wowhead |
| 23:50.02 | bleetah | oops hehe |
| 23:50.08 | Tierrie|Work | :( |
| 23:50.12 | Tierrie|Work | i should stop telling people to use it |
| 23:50.13 | bleetah | hey, did anyone create a diff on the ToS? |
| 23:50.15 | Tierrie|Work | and save it for myself |
| 23:50.30 | kaso | bleetah you mean the 2.0.5 ToU changes? |
| 23:50.35 | kaso | or has there been more in 2,0.6 |
| 23:50.41 | bleetah | more in 2.0.6 |
| 23:51.01 | bleetah | at least, it certainly looked like a new date on the top of the ToS |
| 23:51.25 | kaso | EU here so we havent patched, wouldnt know im afraid |
| 23:51.28 | bleetah | ooh, hang on... I haven't updated my Windows version yet... I can do a diff here... sorry |
| 23:51.36 | bleetah | will sort a diff out right now :) |
| 23:53.55 | bleetah | hmm, ok. no diff. just my imagination playing tricks caused by the client stating 'The TOS have changed' and me thinking the data (Jan 11) were newer |
| 23:54.44 | kaso | so its just the changes we already had with 2.0.5 |
| 23:54.58 | bleetah | yup, which is no change |
| 23:55.10 | bleetah | sorry, I meant, is no change between .5 and .6, despite what the client says |
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