irclog2html for #wowi-lounge on 20070111

`00:00.06`	`End`	`RunesSetup gets called before VARIABLES_LOADED fires`
`00:00.30`	`Matholum`	`so addon loaded == bad?`
`00:00.30`	`End`	`(since it runs OnShow)`
`00:00.58`	`foxlit`	`Just shove a if (not RunesConfig) then return end into it.`
`00:01.05`	`Matholum`	`the config frame is hidden at start... shown through my on addon loaded code`
`00:01.07`	`End`	`oh wait`
`00:01.13`	`End`	`yeah yeah I see that now`
`00:01.23`	`End`	`although`
`00:01.37`	`End`	`ADDON_LOADED does occur after VARIABLES_LOADED`
`00:01.39`	`End`	`I think`
`00:01.46`	`End`	`someone should confirm or deny that`
`00:02.07`	`VoidRaider`	`yeah it does`
`00:02.15`	`foxlit`	`Move variables init to VARIABLES_LOADED anyway`
`00:02.22`	`foxlit`	`Makes more sense :)`
`00:02.31`	`End`	`yes, it does make more sense there`
`00:02.44`	`VoidRaider`	`ADDON_LOADED occurs after OnLoad`
`00:02.54`	`Matholum`	`ok ^_^`
`00:03.16`	`kergoth`	`i was always under the impression that ADDON_LOADED meant your addon's savedvars were loaded. no point waiting for VARIABLES_LOADED unless you need the vars of all the addons to be loaded to proceed`
`00:03.16`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`weee`
`00:03.17`	`Matholum`	`(i don't remember who said variables_loaded was bad... use addon... -_-)`
`00:03.22`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`world server crash`
`00:03.36`	`kahdgarxi`	`grats`
`00:04.59`	`End`	`hmm`
`00:05.22`	`End`	`the wiki does says it's ADDON_LOADED first`
`00:05.37`	`VoidRaider`	`Well there's few more events that are used after the VARIABLES_LOADED. PLAYER_LOGIN, PLAYER_ENTER_WORLD :)`
`00:05.37`	`foxlit`	`That triggers once for every addon too.`
`00:05.39`	`foxlit`	`Nasty!`
`00:05.44`	`VoidRaider`	`yup :D`
`00:07.06`	`VoidRaider`	`So you must check if it's your addon is the one that was loaded and then do things, or similarly other addon if you need it :P`
`00:07.31`	`Matholum`	`ok... this is interesting.... i copied the line in showme at the end of RunesDefaults, and it didn't work either`
`00:08.06`	`Matholum`	`but that function does run`
`00:08.24`	`VoidRaider`	`That never happens though 'RunesConfig[value.cvar]=value.initialValue;'`
`00:08.53`	`Matholum`	`one sec... looking`
`00:09.11`	`VoidRaider`	`RunesConfig has not entry called "CONVERT_TYPING"`
`00:09.16`	`VoidRaider`	`no*`
`00:10.06`	`VoidRaider`	`therefor if(not RunesConfig[value.cvar]) then... is never equal to true`
`00:10.13`	`Matholum`	`the loop runs.... i stuck this in it and got "convert_typing"...`
`00:10.23`	`Matholum`	`DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(value.cvar);`
`00:10.46`	`VoidRaider`	`Mate it doesn't exist :)`
`00:10.56`	`foxlit`	`er, Void.`
`00:11.03`	`foxlit`	`RunesConfig[value.cvar] == nil`
`00:11.07`	`foxlit`	`not nil == true`
`00:11.15`	`foxlit`	`if (true) then -- this execs`
`00:11.20`	`VoidRaider`	`ah true :P`
`00:11.24`	`VoidRaider`	`My bad :)`
`00:11.27`	`Matholum`	`i am so confused`
`00:11.43`	`VoidRaider`	`Nah it's my mistake ignore :P`
`00:11.50`	`Matholum`	`ok`
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`00:11.56`	`Matholum`	`but i still dunno what is wrong`
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`00:12.39`	`foxlit`	`Suggestion: insert DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage() at strategic locations to check what runs and what doesn't.`
`00:13.08`	`Matholum`	`that is what i am doing now...`
`00:14.15`	`foxlit`	`So, hrm, Coke Zero is launching in denmark.`
`00:14.38`	`foxlit`	`(long live the whois directory that told me that :P)`
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`00:15.54`	`VoidRaider`	`it seems fine though :) ... Maybe you already initialized RunesConfig and then changed few things in your code and this condition is never true ? if(not RunesConfig) then`
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`00:17.12`	`VoidRaider`	`When you're at the login screen try to delete the SavedVariables of your addon and try again, see what happens ?`
`00:17.27`	`a-stray-cat`	`is curse login down?`
`00:18.23`	`Matholum`	`how do you do that?`
`00:20.19`	`VoidRaider`	`Go to .:\World of Warcraft Installation Folder\WTF\Account\ACCOUNT_NAME\Realm\Char_Name\SavedVariables`
`00:21.03`	`VoidRaider`	`or .:\World of Warcraft Installation Folder\WTF\Account\ACCOUNT_NAME\SavedVariables`
`00:21.03`	`Matholum`	`oh.. ok...`
`00:21.03`	`Matholum`	`i think i found the problem...`
`00:21.13`	`VoidRaider`	`What was it ? :)`
`00:21.29`	`Matholum`	`it can't get value.initialValue`
`00:21.45`	`Matholum`	`should my t/f be a string?`
`00:22.32`	`VoidRaider`	`it should be a string or a number`
`00:23.08`	`Matholum`	`ok... i will make it 1/0`
`00:23.18`	`TC_Working`	`Snicker @ canadians http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=64247340&pageNo=1&sid=1#0`
`00:24.34`	`VoidRaider`	`yeah that probably the problem, you're trying to use a boolean value to set your table there :)`
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`00:25.46`	`Matholum`	`ok... the table outputs in the defaults... but it isn't global so the last part errors... but it is closer now`
`00:26.17`	`Matholum`	`maybe`
`00:26.31`	`Matholum`	`./dump works now`
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`00:27.36`	`Matholum`	`does the dump mean it is working?`
`00:28.27`	`Matholum`	`ok... showme works... i dunno why that isn't`
`00:29.08`	`Matholum`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:29.18`	`Matholum`	`that is the problem... but i dunno why`
`00:32.06`	`VoidRaider`	`Also don't use values to set a table name or index, if you would set your 3rd var to 1/0 that will result the following check_btns["CONVERT_TYPING"][1] and will throw either an error if 0 as an index or 1 a bug that will cause your first table item's value to be erased and overridden by the 3rd variable of your table`
`00:32.46`	`Matholum`	`what?`
`00:33.08`	`VoidRaider`	`You wanted to use initialValue=1 aight ?`
`00:33.17`	`Matholum`	`yup`
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`00:33.46`	`VoidRaider`	`Lets steps into the loop`
`00:34.11`	`JoshBorke`	`is that how you do the hokey pokey?`
`00:34.21`	`Matholum`	`ok`
`00:34.24`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`anyone having problems setting the raidleader?`
`00:34.32`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`it looks like the blizzard UI is bugged?`
`00:34.35`	`Kirov`	`Nomad_Wanderer - yes`
`00:34.40`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`any known workarounds/`
`00:34.43`	`Kirov`	`yes`
`00:34.45`	`Kirov`	`sec`
`00:34.49`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`TY`
`00:35.44`	`Matholum`	`who was it that said i was doing 2 funtions that did almost the same thing?`
`00:36.09`	`VoidRaider`	`I am`
`00:36.15`	`Matholum`	`props`
`00:36.36`	`Matholum`	`you were absolutely right and should have told me i was stupid....`
`00:36.49`	`Matholum`	`the defaults loaded after the other because of that`
`00:36.58`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`We made the mistake of disbanding in naxx, and reforming.`
`00:37.00`	`VoidRaider`	`Hmm stupid Oo :/`
`00:37.07`	`VoidRaider`	`You're not stupid mate`
`00:37.08`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`the count didnot stop.. teleported everyone to IF`
`00:37.17`	`Matholum`	`lol... thanks`
`00:37.57`	`Matholum`	`i looked over at the part and it clicked... then i was like "why on earth did i do that?"`
`00:37.57`	`Matholum`	`i am testing now`
`00:37.57`	`cladhaire`	`Nom-: sup?`
`00:37.57`	`Cide`	`hmm, can someone pastey the new WorldMapFrame.lua file? damn addon kit hates me`
`00:38.06`	`VoidRaider`	`Yeah I can do that 1 sec`
`00:38.14`	`JoshBorke`	`Cide: no wdn?`
`00:38.18`	`Cide`	`not up yet`
`00:38.28`	`zenzio`	`I wonder what the level 60 BGs will be like from Wednesday`
`00:39.01`	`VoidRaider`	`Hasn't changed Cide`
`00:39.10`	`Matholum`	`ah! so i really wasn't as stupid as it seams!`
`00:39.13`	`Matholum`	`one sec`
`00:39.13`	`Cide`	`it must have`
`00:39.17`	`Nom-`	`cladhaire: r70 of PRaid SVN is broke`
`00:39.21`	`JoshBorke`	`ah`
`00:39.25`	`Nom-`	`I wish I'd saved the error messages, :(`
`00:39.25`	`Matholum`	`(i took out the show part and it still ran!)`
`00:39.27`	`Cide`	`seeing as I'm getting bugs with CT_MapMod that were not there pre-patch`
`00:39.47`	`Nom-`	`I don't know if you've updated it again, but it was the features you added the other day when I was here`
`00:39.49`	`Matholum`	`@_@`
`00:39.52`	`VoidRaider`	`No it hasn't I'm checking the Patch.MPQ`
`00:39.56`	`Matholum`	`no way....`
`00:40.01`	`Cide`	`well something changed`
`00:40.07`	`Matholum`	`hidden="false"`
`00:40.13`	`Matholum`	`now i am stupid`
`00:40.28`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`any hints on the bugged raidleader thing in the default UI>?`
`00:40.50`	`zenzio`	`"working internally"`
`00:40.54`	`zenzio`	`broke on live`
`00:41.10`	`Nomad_Wanderer`	`is there any workaround?`
`00:41.26`	`Matholum`	`it works now!!! i will post the good code for you guys to see... ^_^... of course forgetting the stupid xml error`
`00:41.27`	`cladhaire`	`Nom-: Yeah.. so don't use svn`
`00:41.31`	`VoidRaider`	`I once told, these who afraid to ask are stupids these who wants to learn and do ask aren't`
`00:41.36`	`cladhaire`	`you'd need the most recent dongle`
`00:41.39`	`cladhaire`	`which isn't released`
`00:43.38`	`Matholum`	`http://www.pastey.net/4871`
`00:43.43`	`Matholum`	`thanks for all the help!`
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`00:43.53`	`VoidRaider`	`no prob :D`
`00:44.31`	`Nom-`	`ah lol`
`00:45.33`	`Matholum`	`awsome... but i have to go now....`
`00:45.35`	`VoidRaider`	`I suggest you to use a namespace such as local Runes = { };`
`00:45.46`	`VoidRaider`	`ok z-ya :)`
`00:45.59`	`Matholum`	`wait... i can stay on for a min`
`00:46.05`	`Matholum`	`what you mean?`
`00:46.21`	`VoidRaider`	`On the top of your file`
`00:46.23`	`Matholum`	`what would that be for?`
`00:46.58`	`Matholum`	`instead od check_btns?`
`00:46.59`	`ScytheBlade1`	`function AB_Blah(arg1, arg2=nil)`
`00:47.00`	`Matholum`	`*of`
`00:47.02`	`Nom-`	`lol wowi getting hammered due to new patch again?`
`00:47.02`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Is that valid?`
`00:47.10`	`Cairenn`	`yeah`
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`00:47.36`	`VoidRaider`	`Add that local Runes = { }; and then use the following syntax for variables and functions you want to use, function Runes.Blah() end or a variable Runes.Var1 = "Something"`
`00:47.44`	`kergoth`	`ScytheBlade1: first of all, if an argument isnt passed, its nil anyway. second, you dont supply default values to arguments like that in lua, this isnt c++`
`00:48.07`	`Matholum`	`oh... so that i don't leak into the globals ^_^`
`00:48.09`	`zenzio`	`but it should be! ,-o`
`00:48.15`	`Nom-`	`I did ask the other day, is it the php creating load, or the amount of traffic?`
`00:48.15`	`ScytheBlade1`	`kergoth, I didn't know that first little bit there, which explains a lot`
`00:48.17`	`VoidRaider`	`yeah :)`
`00:48.25`	`Nom-`	`Or does nooone know :)`
`00:48.28`	`ScytheBlade1`	`And that's actually a PHP habit of mine ;P`
`00:48.53`	`Matholum`	`ok... when i overhaul my table.foreach's... i will do that too... i like that format anyways ^_^`
`00:49.04`	`VoidRaider`	`:)`
`00:49.13`	`Matholum`	`kk... cya later! i gotta goto work soon -_-`
`00:49.17`	`VoidRaider`	`z-ya :D`
`00:49.34`	`Matholum`	`FedEx from 8:30-12:30pm... huh`
`00:49.51`	`Matholum`	`i mean 8pm-12am`
`00:50.01`	`Nom-`	`coz as i said the other day, i could probably arrange for the mod files to be hosted by our games guys here :)`
`00:50.04`	`Matholum`	`cyaz!`
`00:50.41`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`quick Cairenn! to the super duper low bandwidth mode`
`00:50.48`	`Cairenn`	`lol`
`00:52.01`	`zenzio`	`hey, it's not low bandwidth mode, Cairenn just decided not to shut out all the lynx users`
`00:52.22`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:52.23`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`done!`
`00:52.34`	`Nom-`	`Well, we mirror gamershell, and I know the games guy was asking for more stuff to mirror the other day lol`
`00:52.37`	`Nom-`	`shrug`
`00:52.39`	`Cairenn`	`rofl!`
`00:53.19`	`Nom-`	`You know you want some of this 1Gbps phat link`
`00:53.31`	`Cairenn`	`Nom-: sorry, missed your comments`
`00:53.32`	`cladhaire`	`zenzio: lynx ftw`
`00:53.38`	`zenzio`	`Tierrie: "Result: Failed validation, 3 errors"`
`00:53.39`	`zenzio`	`:-(`
`00:53.41`	`Cairenn`	`Nom-: you need to talk to Dolby-wowi :)`
`00:53.48`	`cladhaire`	`Is anyone here having issues with garbage collection?`
`00:53.55`	`cladhaire`	`i.e. constantly rising memory?`
`00:53.59`	`cladhaire`	`never dropping back down?`
`00:54.55`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`sorry zenzio`
`00:55.14`	`Dolby-wowi`	`yes?`
`00:55.14`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`here's a fix <a href="goatse.cx">click here 2 fix validation errors</a>`
`00:55.36`	`Cairenn`	`ewwwwww`
`00:55.39`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`hahaa`
`00:55.47`	`Nom-`	`Read up a bit...was asking if the slowness is PHP load related or bandwidth related`
`00:55.50`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`i think the image is taken down years ago`
`00:56.05`	`Dolby-wowi`	`php`
`00:56.15`	`Dolby-wowi`	`and just sheer amount of`
`00:56.17`	`Dolby-wowi`	`httpd`
`00:56.23`	`zenzio`	`leik go ASP !!1`
`00:56.28`	`Nom-`	`fair enough, thought it may be that`
`00:56.41`	`Nom-`	`In which case, a mirror for files won't really help`
`00:57.02`	`Dolby-wowi`	`aye, all file downloads are offloaded onto our fs2`
`00:57.14`	`Dolby-wowi`	`just to free up the httpd for browseing the site`
`00:58.19`	`Nom-`	`Fair enough .. I guess our games guy is never going to fill this last TB or two`
`00:58.19`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`you should totally host music videos on fs2`
`00:59.29`	`Nom-`	`ooo maybe he did`
`00:59.30`	`Nom-`	`Total Capacity: 2.93 TB`
`00:59.30`	`Nom-`	`Currently Used: 2.72 TB`
`00:59.30`	`zenzio`	`http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=108980933&sid=1 -- so... did Wildhammer ever give any items for getting reputation with them?`
`00:59.30`	`Nom-`	`Current Upload: 8.32 MB/s`
`00:59.57`	`Nom-`	`there was nearly a TB last night, he must have found something new to mirror lol`
`01:00.29`	`JoshBorke`	`wereHamster: you here?`
`01:00.38`	`cladhaire`	`zenzio: No`
`01:00.43`	`cladhaire`	`they were going to do somethign with it`
`01:00.46`	`cladhaire`	`but they cut it`
`01:00.51`	`wereHamster`	`JoshBorke, partially`
`01:01.01`	`wereHamster`	`a qaurte of me.. or maybe even less`
`01:01.12`	`JoshBorke`	`wereHamster: coolDown:Show() doesn't work for the new coolDown`
`01:01.19`	`JoshBorke`	`to move it, did it change?`
`01:02.08`	`wereHamster`	`JoshBorke, doesn't it work using IFM?`
`01:03.10`	`Corrodias`	`somebody needs to edit this page to indicate how some Star Trek fans don't consider the series Enterprise to be canon, and thus consider evidence from it to be invalid. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pon_farr`
`01:03.18`	`Corrodias`	`i don't know how to put it... eloquently.`
`01:03.22`	`JoshBorke`	`hm, haven't checked`
`01:04.45`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`"ENTERPRISE SUCKS KIRK IS THE ONLY REAL CAPTAIN" over and over seems pretty eloquent`
`01:04.54`	`Kirkburn`	`Hello`
`01:05.26`	`Corrodias`	`alright, i'll do it myself`
`01:05.36`	`wereHamster`	`JoshBorke, have to install the patch first..`
`01:05.38`	`Corrodias`	`hopefully some other, more experienced writer will see my attempt and clean it up rather than just delete it`
`01:05.52`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`heh, doubtful`
`01:05.59`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`you'll probably start a nerdwar`
`01:06.03`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`on the discussion page`
`01:06.27`	`Corrodias`	`even better`
`01:06.50`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`man herbalism suuuucks to level`
`01:07.15`	`zenzio`	`I did 1-300 in some hours, can't remember exactly`
`01:07.30`	`zenzio`	`granted I watched TV while doing it`
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`01:07.50`	`Corrodias`	`it's not so bad if you have a mount and a general idea of where to find herbs of your level. :/`
`01:08.07`	`Corrodias`	`STV has a lot of low-mid-level herbs i think`
`01:08.12`	`sysrage`	`what mod shows memory usage?`
`01:08.22`	`zenzio`	`like I said yesterday, I started in the startup zone and just moved up step by step as they turned green/grey`
`01:08.25`	`zenzio`	`was easy enough`
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`01:09.31`	`Kirkburn`	`Mr_Rabies2, note that my alt IRC name is Picaburn :) Perhaps my 2nd alt should be Archburn?`
`01:10.32`	`alcaras`	`Nanoburn`
`01:10.53`	`kaso`	`i feel slightly silly for asking this, but, can someone help be with this example, http://www.pastey.net/4872 (question is in the comments)`
`01:11.05`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i'm not a big fan of the 'trek so i don't really get that either :p`
`01:11.35`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i watch the original series and TNG occasionally, but thats about it`
`01:11.38`	`wereHamster`	`JoshBorke, coolDown:Show() does work.. it does what it should do`
`01:11.52`	`wereHamster`	`there's just no frame.. and empty, invisible frame`
`01:12.04`	`wereHamster`	`no backdrop, no border etc`
`01:13.06`	`cladhaire`	`**** AHEM ****`
`01:13.12`	`cladhaire`	`hi`
`01:13.26`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`Cairenn, you about?`
`01:13.38`	`Cairenn`	`nope`
`01:13.47`	`*** kick/#wowi-lounge [Cairenn!n=jnwhiteh@cpe-24-58-241-33.twcny.res.rr.com] by cladhaire (cladhaire)`
`01:14.05`	`cladhaire`	`see`
`01:14.07`	`cladhaire`	`=()`
`01:14.13`	`JoshBorke`	`hrm. using the wowace version?`
`01:14.17`	`JoshBorke`	`i don't get a frame shown`
`01:14.27`	`JoshBorke`	`in the coolDown.lua code, coolDown is defined without a backdrop or anything...`
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`01:14.31`	`Cairenn`	`rofl`
`01:14.34`	`wereHamster`	`.. because there is no (visible) frame`
`01:14.37`	`cladhaire`	`lol =)`
`01:14.41`	`End`	`uh oh, Cairenn is here, stop the party`
`01:14.51`	`JoshBorke`	`erm, how do i move it then?`
`01:14.51`	`End`	`lol`
`01:14.54`	`End`	`so my time ran out`
`01:14.55`	`wereHamster`	`IFM`
`01:14.56`	`JoshBorke`	`oh, IFM`
`01:14.56`	`End`	`in WoW`
`01:15.03`	`End`	`but I can still logon to beta`
`01:15.06`	`wereHamster`	`coolDown depends on it, so you should have that installed`
`01:15.10`	`JoshBorke`	`i do`
`01:15.12`	`End`	`guess I can still work on my addons!`
`01:15.26`	`zenzio`	`"Cisco Sues Apple Over iPhone Trademark" -- haha, go Cisco`
`01:15.36`	`Nom-`	`lol srsly ?`
`01:15.42`	`wereHamster`	`IIRC '/ifm start' and '/ifm stop' still works`
`01:15.44`	`zenzio`	`"It appears that Apple may be running out of items that they can prefix with the letter "i". Cisco is suing Apple over trademark infringement. Cisco claims to own the rights to the "iPhone" trademark since they purchased Infogear in 2000. Infogear filed for the rights to the trademark in 1996."`
`01:16.14`	`sysrage`	`where you reading that? cisco offered them a deal to license it from them this morning`
`01:16.31`	`wereHamster`	`hard to believe that apple's legal department didn't check the name before`
`01:16.35`	`JoshBorke`	`ok, thanks`
`01:16.49`	`cladhaire`	`no`
`01:16.57`	`cladhaire`	`cisco bougth a company which had registered the trademark`
`01:16.59`	`zenzio`	`sysrage: Slashdot`
`01:17.03`	`cladhaire`	`with no prior use of it, i believe`
`01:17.07`	`Corrodias`	`i edited the page! woo!`
`01:17.11`	`cladhaire`	`so Apple has a reasonable case :P`
`01:17.39`	`Corrodias`	`"prior use" is a term that refers to evidence that someone thought of the name before the trademark was registered`
`01:18.34`	`cladhaire`	`aye`
`01:18.36`	`Corrodias`	`that is, if Apple produced an iPhone without registering the trademark, then Infogear registered it, Apple would have a case to use the "prior use" concept. However, i don't know if this applies to Trademarks. It may only be patents or copyrights.`
`01:18.44`	`Kirov`	`but there's already an iPhone on the market from linksys`
`01:18.52`	`cladhaire`	`nod`
`01:18.54`	`Kirov`	`(Cisco owned company)`
`01:18.55`	`cladhaire`	`its sticky`
`01:18.56`	`cladhaire`	`btu it'll be fun`
`01:18.57`	`Nom-`	`They did`
`01:19.01`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`ok, now I'm getting the key bindings randomly deciding to not work with bongos deal. :/`
`01:19.08`	`Nom-`	`according to the artcile Apple has been in negotiations with them for months`
`01:19.08`	`End`	`I didnt even realize prior use applied to trademarks`
`01:19.22`	`Nom-`	`Cisco said Tuesday it had been negotiating for several years with Apple over a licensing agreement, but that Apple lawyers had not signed and returned the final contract.`
`01:19.42`	`Kirov`	`Apple owns the iPhone trademark in Australia`
`01:19.44`	`cladhaire`	`heheh fun`
`01:19.45`	`Kirov`	`and only Australia`
`01:19.47`	`cladhaire`	`lol`
`01:20.00`	`zenzio`	`pfft, only aussies would want an iPhone anyway`
`01:20.14`	`Nom-`	`sif`
`01:20.17`	`Nom-`	`iPhone is sexy`
`01:20.19`	`Nom-`	`Everyone will want one`
`01:20.43`	`Kirov`	`Apple has tried to go after people who sell "iSomething" products in the past, and lost every one.`
`01:20.51`	`Kirov`	`So I've no idea what they're going to do here.`
`01:21.20`	`Kirov`	`iRiver in particular was a big one, even though they don't have "iSomething" products any more won the case against Apple`
`01:21.21`	`Corrodias`	`you can't trademark the concept of prefixing things with an 'i'`
`01:21.29`	`zenzio`	`iCanHearYou`
`01:21.39`	`Kirov`	`iRiver showed they released "i" products way before Apple did`
`01:21.42`	`Corrodias`	`iHealer`
`01:21.55`	`Corrodias`	`we're still working on the iTank`
`01:22.40`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`~seen tuller`
`01:22.59`	`purl`	`tuller <n=chatzill@c-68-57-185-39.hsd1.va.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 6h 24m 25s ago, saying: 'at least it does for me'.`
`01:22.59`	`Kirov`	`need one for rogues, iDie`
`01:22.59`	`PProvost`	`iHealAndTank :)`
`01:22.59`	`zenzio`	`works for mages too`
`01:22.59`	`cladhaire`	`iHearthStone`
`01:23.01`	`zenzio`	`iNinja`
`01:23.05`	`Kirov`	`zenzio - hunter?`
`01:23.08`	`wereHamster`	`I like 'iSomething' ...`
`01:23.17`	`zenzio`	`Kirov: warrior actually`
`01:23.33`	`zenzio`	`easier that way, I'm close to the mob anyway`
`01:23.40`	`Kirov`	`iFDAndAvoidRepairCosts`
`01:24.19`	`Corrodias`	`iHellfireAndAvoidRepairCosts`
`01:24.42`	`zenzio`	`iBlameTheMages`
`01:26.02`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`iMage`
`01:26.13`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`i don't want any normal mages, I want an iMage and an iPriest`
`01:26.50`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:26.52`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`and is now bored`
`01:27.02`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`dance little hamsters!`
`01:27.27`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`heh that's ironic I didn't know there was a hamster here`
`01:27.38`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`and by ironic i meant amusing`
`01:27.40`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`not ironic`
`01:27.48`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`the worlds are like, right next to each other`
`01:28.07`	`zenzio`	`interesting, there's tons of hamster dance websites now o_O`
`01:28.13`	`zenzio`	`I thought they'd die eventually`
`01:28.31`	`wereHamster`	`heh?`
`01:28.39`	`wereHamster`	`did I read that right?`
`01:28.47`	`zenzio`	`well, the hamster dance wasn't that fun`
`01:29.25`	`wereHamster`	`I didn't see the dance..`
`01:29.38`	`zenzio`	`google for "hamster dance"`
`01:29.53`	`Kirkburn`	`Mr_Rabies2, I am disappointed in you :/`
`01:30.40`	`Corrodias`	`hampster dance.`
`01:30.50`	`Corrodias`	`it had a 'p', which was party of the amusement`
`01:31.04`	`TC_Working`	`i missed the song, it was great for pissing ppl off`
`01:31.13`	`TC_Working`	`s/missed/miss/`
`01:31.19`	`Corrodias`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hampster_dance`
`01:31.25`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`<Kirkburn> Mr_Rabies2, I am disappointed in you :/`
`01:31.27`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`wha`
`01:31.29`	`zenzio`	`Corrodias: not for people around here, we only liked it for the animated pictures and the song`
`01:31.50`	`zenzio`	`potentially typoed English stuff isn't so much a blast here as it is in... well, English-speaking countries`
`01:32.05`	`Kirkburn`	`<Mr_Rabies2> i'm not a big fan of the 'trek so i don't really get that either :p`
`01:32.08`	`Kirkburn`	`shwaa?`
`01:32.18`	`Corrodias`	`yeh`
`01:32.32`	`Kirkburn`	`Hampster? HamPster? rawr`
`01:32.43`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`the only thing cooler then Hamsters are Ferrets`
`01:32.54`	`kergoth`	`ferrets rock, anyone who's seen beastmaster knows that`
`01:32.59`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`because Ferrets are hamsters that were squeezed too hard`
`01:33.01`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`not a big fan not meaning i don't like it, i'm just not obsessed with it :p`
`01:33.11`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`(please don't squeeze your hamster I am kidding)`
`01:33.26`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i saw some asian otters at the nearby aquarium`
`01:33.36`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`they were awesome, they were in an otterpile`
`01:33.37`	`Kirkburn`	`Corrodias, godammit, it _is_ spelt like that :/`
`01:34.11`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`otters are funny, especially when they have cybernetic implants and want to "KILL THE FUTURECHILD AND EAT HIS ENTRAILS ON MY TUMMY"`
`01:34.18`	`Corrodias`	`^_^`
`01:34.23`	`Corrodias`	`timechild`
`01:34.24`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`these were smaller than those kind`
`01:34.24`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`like`
`01:34.29`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`ferret sized`
`01:34.29`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`oh right, timechild`
`01:34.32`	`wereHamster`	`the hamster dance is just a song, isn't it?`
`01:34.41`	`zenzio`	`you will all regret praising hamsters and ferrets when the squirrel revolution comes, mark my words!`
`01:34.56`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`but they had some of the more domesticy otters, they were pretty cool too, but the asian ones were like little aquaferrets`
`01:34.56`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`I for one, hail our ferret overlords`
`01:34.57`	`zenzio`	`wereHamster: no, read the wikipedia link`
`01:35.59`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`gb2fark`
`01:36.11`	`Corrodias`	`"Until March 1999, only 800 visits were recorded (about 4 per day), but without warning, that jumped to 15,000 per day."`
`01:36.30`	`zenzio`	`good old GeoCities`
`01:36.41`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`http://www.webhamster.com/`
`01:36.43`	`zenzio`	`I remember when every other page you visited was on GeoCities`
`01:36.46`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`is pretty much a copy of the one i rememebr`
`01:36.50`	`Corrodias`	`me too`
`01:36.57`	`zenzio`	`aye Rabies`
`01:37.29`	`Corrodias`	`nothing like a geocities page to show you just how horrible animated gifs, frames, backgrounds, fonts, and music can make the web.`
`01:37.47`	`Corrodias`	`rephrase:`
`01:37.59`	`Corrodias`	`nothing like a geocities page to show you just how animated gifs, frames, backgrounds, fonts, and music can make the web a horrible place.`
`01:38.19`	`zenzio`	`hehehe`
`01:40.47`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`http://www.greymatter.org/satanichamsterdance/`
`01:40.49`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`what`
`01:41.15`	`Corrodias`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_phenomenon is a fun one, but even MORE fun is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shock_site`
`01:41.54`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`whoooamg`
`01:42.09`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i alt tab out of wow and my resolution drops to like 640x480 in 4 color`
`01:42.41`	`Corrodias`	`sweet`
`01:42.44`	`Corrodias`	`screenshot!`
`01:45.12`	`qshadowp`	`Corrodias i like your internet phenomenons ;p`
`01:45.13`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optimus_Prime_%28person%29`
`01:45.20`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`has always been a favorite of mine`
`01:46.17`	`Corrodias`	`hmph. actually, the shock sites article isn't what i was looking for`
`01:46.27`	`kaso`	`can someone help me with this, i feel stupid but im pulling my hair out. http://www.pastey.net/4872`
`01:46.29`	`Corrodias`	`there's another kind of thing where you try to scare somebody, and THAT article had a long list of them`
`01:48.50`	`zenzio`	`the flash crap that makes you stare at it "looking for something missing" or whatever and then switch them with a loud sound?`
`01:49.39`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`heh`
`01:49.42`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`screamers`
`01:50.35`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Mr_Rabies (n=Mr_Rabie@adsl-066-156-082-132.sip.asm.bellsouth.net)`
`01:50.37`	`Corrodias`	`that's it`
`01:50.55`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`http://www.yzzerdd.com/ aqua teen hunger force episode in reality!`
`01:51.06`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`don't go there unless you like popups btw`
`01:51.16`	`Corrodias`	`it seems the "shock site" article is having trouble with peopl arguing back and forth -- some claim that everything needs a "reliable source", while others are proclaiming frustration because they don't know what a "source" is supposed to be in this case`
`01:51.18`	`zenzio`	`what's a popup?`
`01:51.26`	`Nom-`	`hmm`
`01:51.26`	`Corrodias`	`and the former are in no hurry to explain because it would reduce their ability to be elitist`
`01:51.31`	`Nom-`	`I need some good ideas for lunch`
`01:51.33`	`zenzio`	`(a.k.a. don't you guys use popup blockers?)`
`01:51.44`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i use firefox and adblock`
`01:51.54`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`but turn it off for that site if you want to have fun :p`
`01:51.56`	`Nom-`	`Thai Green Curry sounds good maybe :)`
`01:52.03`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`it's all comedy popups in like the episode`
`01:53.09`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`dear god man they wouldn't stop`
`01:54.28`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`I swear chatframe.lua is the bane of my existence when it comes to my macros and mods :P`
`01:55.05`	`cladhaire`	`hehe, well with the bugs atm.. yeah`
`01:55.27`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`logins disabled on curse i guess?`
`01:55.45`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`I didn't test last night so I didn't catch it, and I managed to hit the one with modifier:ctrl back in beta.. curse you macros.. curse you!`
`01:56.05`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`but as a druid they help reduce needed bars considerably, so I can't do without them`
`01:56.15`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge nymbia (n=nymbia@70-57-42-7.hlrn.qwest.net)`
`01:56.25`	`Corrodias`	`Wikipedia used to have a great list of screamers and shock sites, but unfortunately due to "quality standards" and "what wikipedia is supposed to be" policies, it doesn't any more`
`01:56.42`	`Cairenn`	`interesting: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6721-AFKZero.html`
`01:57.10`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`corr: hence the problem with wikipedia`
`01:57.27`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`it's slowly destroying itself with its own policies`
`01:57.43`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`did they ever fix the druid abilities with double () used in a macro?`
`01:57.52`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`not that i know of garoun`
`01:58.00`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`bleh, oh well :)`
`01:58.03`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`Mangle (Cat)(Rank 2)`
`01:58.14`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`yeah I use Mangle (Cat)() right now`
`01:58.14`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`Faerie Fire (Feral)(Rank 4)`
`01:58.15`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`good times`
`01:58.18`	`Corrodias`	`you can just use Mangle, can't you?`
`01:58.19`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`but it looks ugly :x`
`01:58.25`	`Corrodias`	`you only have one rank of the thing at a time`
`01:58.34`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`it has problems with teh two sets of ()`
`01:58.37`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`maybe in 2.0.3`
`01:58.43`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`I'll try now I guess`
`01:58.49`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`but in 2.0.1 you had to have (Rank 2)`
`01:58.54`	`Corrodias`	`when i wrote my Ferocious Bite / Ravage macro, i just used "Ferocious Bite" and "Ravage"`
`01:58.56`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`() wouldn't work either`
`01:59.01`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`cause they don't have (Cat)`
`01:59.05`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`or (Feral`
`01:59.08`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`or (Feral)`
`01:59.10`	`Corrodias`	`hmm`
`01:59.11`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`or (Bear)`
`01:59.27`	`Corrodias`	`once again, WoW bites us in the ass with its insistence that we use strings for everything`
`01:59.41`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`nope not fixed`
`01:59.50`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`still have to have at minimum Mangle (Bear)()`
`02:00.49`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`does Faerie Fire (Feral)() work?`
`02:00.53`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`it wouldn't work in 2.0.1`
`02:01.11`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i'd hate to have to keep uodating ranks`
`02:01.31`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`yeah that still works`
`02:01.39`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`and Faerie Fire for caster form`
`02:02.27`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`I've been using /cast [stance] Faerie Fire (Feral)();Faerie Fire for a while now`
`02:02.52`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i just had them on hotkey 9 on every bar`
`02:03.08`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i don't even hit it most of the time, i have it in my castsequence easymode macro`
`02:03.09`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`ah :)`
`02:04.05`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`/castsequence [nostealth] reset=8 Faerie Fire (Feral)(), Mangle (Cat)(), Mangle (Cat)(), Mangle (Cat)()`
`02:04.25`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`/cast [stealth] Pounce`
`02:14.57`	`[Liq]`	`Is "The Forlorn Cavern" in Ironforge a Cave or a Tunnel?`
`02:15.40`	`cladhaire`	`its a cavern`
`02:15.42`	`cladhaire`	`=)`
`02:16.23`	`kaso`	`Is it even possible for me to make a value copy of a variable, rather than a by reference/pointer/whatever its called in lua`
`02:18.35`	`Corrodias`	`i really don't know!`
`02:18.46`	`cladhaire`	`yes`
`02:18.48`	`Corrodias`	`java has a few value-copy primitives, but i don't know if Lua does`
`02:18.54`	`kaso`	`wonderful, how?`
`02:18.59`	`cladhaire`	`what type of variable?`
`02:19.09`	`cladhaire`	`i.e. what is stored in it?`
`02:19.19`	`kaso`	`a table with strings and ints`
`02:19.29`	`cladhaire`	`then you would need to deepcopy it`
`02:19.40`	`cladhaire`	`a recursive table copy, only recursing on tables`
`02:19.51`	`cladhaire`	`functions would be copied by reference`
`02:19.59`	`cladhaire`	`so no, no primitives, easy to do, yeah =)`
`02:20.02`	`End`	`if it's only strings or ints, it need not be recursive`
`02:20.18`	`kaso`	`well its a table full or tables with have strings and ints i meant`
`02:20.27`	`cladhaire`	`nod`
`02:20.46`	`cladhaire`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Table_Helpers`
`02:20.59`	`kaso`	`damnit i was hoping for some easy VB style ByVal pass :<`
`02:21.02`	`cladhaire`	`the last function there is a table copy`
`02:21.29`	`kaso`	`Awesome`
`02:21.30`	`kaso`	`thanks`
`02:22.06`	`cladhaire`	`np
`02:25.21`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge KarlThePagan (n=andross@lanip-170-65.go180.net)`
`02:29.21`	`Corrodias`	`what is <PREFIX>?`
`02:29.28`	`cladhaire`	`in what case?`
`02:29.32`	`cladhaire`	`SendAddOnMessage?`
`02:30.23`	`Corrodias`	`the table functions um.. uh.. examples.`
`02:30.29`	`cladhaire`	`ok`
`02:30.33`	`cladhaire`	`just somethign for you to put in`
`02:30.43`	`cladhaire`	`it expects you to use my_mod_functionname`
`02:30.50`	`cladhaire`	`where <prefix> is my_mod`
`02:30.55`	`Corrodias`	`i see`
`02:32.21`	`kahdgarxi`	`anyone here know of a good vent/webhosting site?`
`02:32.30`	`cladhaire`	`which do you nee,d both?`
`02:32.40`	`kahdgarxi`	`both`
`02:33.10`	`kahdgarxi`	`i've used nrgservers in the past, their actual hosting isn't bad, but their service sucks`
`02:33.13`	`cladhaire`	`I had good experience with: http://www.ecgnetwork.com/`
`02:33.22`	`cladhaire`	`well, one of their parent companies, but same deal`
`02:33.49`	`End`	`I get put in combat a lot while standing on the outlands side of the portal`
`02:33.50`	`kahdgarxi`	`i'll check it out, thanks clad :)`
`02:34.02`	`cladhaire`	`End: Yeah, a bug they can't fix atm =)`
`02:34.10`	`cladhaire`	`fly to HH or Thrallmar =)`
`02:34.25`	`End`	`it's not a problem except when I need to logout`
`02:34.33`	`cladhaire`	`cfly to HH/Thrallmar`
`02:34.39`	`End`	`well`
`02:34.42`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`hop back to blasted lands`
`02:34.44`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`log out there`
`02:34.47`	`End`	`the next part will need me at the portal :P`
`02:34.56`	`cladhaire`	`so port through =)`
`02:34.59`	`cladhaire`	`is the event on the other side? =)`
`02:35.08`	`End`	`doubtful`
`02:35.27`	`End`	`god this side of the portal is so big`
`02:35.46`	`End`	`no, no event here`
`02:35.51`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge hyperChipmunk (n=staharaj@d14-69-214-77.try.wideopenwest.com)`
`02:36.05`	`cladhaire`	`http://relevanceguild.com`
`02:36.10`	`cladhaire`	`we had fun with the portal last night =)`
`02:36.26`	`End`	`arg, apparently it is still not seeing my texture!`
`02:36.44`	`[Liq]`	`Is The Forlorn Cavern a Cave or a Tunnel? http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=108981085&postId=1089112551&sid=1#0`
`02:37.11`	`End`	`oh`
`02:37.12`	`cladhaire`	`lol`
`02:37.13`	`End`	`duh`
`02:37.13`	`End`	`lol`
`02:37.15`	`End`	`my size isn't right`
`02:37.32`	`End`	`25x25 make a valid texture it does not`
`02:37.38`	`cladhaire`	`hehe nope =)`
`02:37.59`	`kahdgarxi`	`cladhaire - does ecgnetwork do webhosting with their vent hosting?`
`02:38.07`	`cladhaire`	`one of their parents does.`
`02:38.08`	`cladhaire`	`heh`
`02:38.12`	`cladhaire`	`btu you can ask`
`02:38.23`	`cladhaire`	`http://www.enigmahosting.com/`
`02:38.28`	`cladhaire`	`i cancelled my VPS with them todyA`
`02:38.35`	`cladhaire`	`so i have their sites in an email handy, =)`
`02:38.42`	`cladhaire`	`they were great to deal with, tho`
`02:40.03`	`Nom-`	`3 cheers for data exports`
`02:40.32`	`cladhaire`	`lol`
`02:41.19`	`cladhaire`	`A human paladin just drove by`
`02:41.22`	`cladhaire`	`on the draenai mount`
`02:41.28`	`End`	`-drove-?`
`02:41.35`	`cladhaire`	`dude.. its an elephant, that's driving =)`
`02:41.41`	`End`	`lol`
`02:41.43`	`End`	`good point`
`02:41.53`	`Corrodias`	`those dranei chicks are hot.`
`02:42.05`	`Corrodias`	`can the horde trade our cows for those dranei?`
`02:42.10`	`cladhaire`	`love the russian accent`
`02:42.13`	`JoshBorke`	`lol clad`
`02:42.18`	`Corrodias`	`just kidding. i've much rather ditch trolls.`
`02:42.22`	`Corrodias`	`*i'd`
`02:43.13`	`Corrodias`	`http://zip.4chan.org/an/src/1168355672223.jpg`
`02:43.55`	`JoshBorke`	`that is an awesome pic`
`02:44.00`	`cladhaire`	`aaaaw`
`02:44.03`	`cladhaire`	`so cute`
`02:44.23`	`cladhaire`	`http://thrillingwonder.blogspot.com/2007/01/real-life-bambi-thumper.html`
`02:44.25`	`cladhaire`	`cuter =)`
`02:45.27`	`Corrodias`	`oh sure, they'll cuddle each other but won't go anywhere near the poor shaven apes`
`02:45.32`	`Corrodias`	`damn wildlife`
`02:46.06`	`Corrodias`	`i take it the title refers to Disney characters?`
`02:46.23`	`cladhaire`	`yes`
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`02:58.41`	`Tain`	`I saw that Bambi/Thumper one a copule of days ago and it nearly melted my eyes with cute.`
`02:59.06`	`cladhaire`	`hehe`
`02:59.49`	`End`	`that's why you wear goggles`
`03:00.10`	`Corrodias`	`in the "Amok Time" article in Wikipedia: The magazine TV Guide summarised this episode with the double-entendre "Mr. Spock succumbs to a powerful mating urge and nearly kills Captain Kirk".`
`03:00.21`	`Kirkburn`	`Hello`
`03:00.37`	`End`	`Hello.`
`03:00.44`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`Tain: have you see www.cuteoverload.com?`
`03:02.30`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`Corrodias: the vulcan erection is a powerful thing`
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`03:04.29`	`Corrodias`	`i have now officially made two edits to the Pon Farr article. i feel almost smart.`
`03:04.31`	`Tain`	`Yes I've been assaulted by the cuteoverload as well.`
`03:04.47`	`JoshBorke`	`~tainted`
`03:05.15`	`Cairenn`	`ZealotOnAStick: transferred`
`03:05.50`	`Tain`	`Ooooh tainted code ooooooh tainted code`
`03:06.02`	`End`	`more like TAINted`
`03:06.10`	`End`	`who is this tain ted fellow anyways?`
`03:08.07`	`Tain`	`I'm not sure, but the Sixteen Men of Tain make a fine scotch. http://www.undiscoveredscotland.co.uk/tain/glenmorangie/index.html`
`03:09.41`	`wereHamster`	`is every bar in australia names "susan's"?`
`03:09.46`	`wereHamster`	`s/names/named/`
`03:11.02`	`TheStig`	`that's what he said`
`03:12.02`	`Corrodias`	`that's a feature of purl`
`03:12.17`	`Corrodias`	`s/purl/the greatest bot ever`
`03:12.26`	`Corrodias`	`althoug he doesn't like me`
`03:12.32`	`Corrodias`	`but that WOULD be the syntax`
`03:12.35`	`TheStig`	`ohh haha`
`03:12.42`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`thanks Cairenn`
`03:12.47`	`Corrodias`	`except for i suppose i missed the final slash (/)`
`03:12.55`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`what the`
`03:12.56`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fictional_toxins`
`03:13.00`	`Corrodias`	`*that, not for. jesus chrst i'm bad.`
`03:13.04`	`TheStig`	`Is every bar in America names "Joe's"?`
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`03:13.13`	`TheStig`	`wtf it didn't do it to me`
`03:13.28`	`Corrodias`	`he specifically requested it with the s/old/new/ thing`
`03:13.33`	`Corrodias`	`let's see if i can make it work...`
`03:13.35`	`TheStig`	`oh`
`03:13.39`	`Corrodias`	`s/see/determine/`
`03:13.52`	`TheStig`	`haha`
`03:14.05`	`TheStig`	`s/wtf/omg`
`03:14.13`	`TheStig`	`wtf it didn't do it for me`
`03:14.14`	`wereHamster`	`TheStig, the s/old/new/ thing only applies to the last sentense you said`
`03:14.18`	`TheStig`	`s/wtf/omg`
`03:14.30`	`wereHamster`	`tailing '/'`
`03:14.34`	`wereHamster`	`trailing`
`03:14.36`	`TheStig`	`ahh`
`03:14.38`	`kahdgarxi`	`it only works with the slash at the end`
`03:14.39`	`TheStig`	`s/wtf/omg/`
`03:14.45`	`TheStig`	`ohh duh`
`03:14.52`	`kahdgarxi`	`s/only/solely/`
`03:14.59`	`TheStig`	`Let's see if I can make it work also.`
`03:15.09`	`TheStig`	`s/it/this/`
`03:15.16`	`TheStig`	`haha`
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`03:16.12`	`Kirkburn`	`Tierrie\|Work, my new wallpaper: http://mfrost.typepad.com/cute_overload/2007/01/anipals_in_a_mo.html`
`03:22.43`	`End`	`interesting error`
`03:22.48`	`End`	`"Character not found"`
`03:23.25`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`interesting`
`03:23.38`	`kahdgarxi`	`End - your acount has been deleted, have a nice day`
`03:23.45`	`kahdgarxi`	`we apologize for any inconvenience`
`03:23.46`	`End`	`lol`
`03:23.55`	`Corrodias`	`nice`
`03:23.58`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i got attacked by a mob while mounted, lagged, then lag broke and i was still mounted`
`03:24.05`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i check my combat log and i got dazed during the attack`
`03:24.10`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`but stayed mounted :O`
`03:24.31`	`End`	`apparently others have had this error`
`03:24.34`	`Corrodias`	`well, there you go. hack it up.`
`03:25.00`	`End`	`well, I created a new character, and now I'm getting it with that too`
`03:25.15`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i discovered the shaman "right click the sentry totem buff while you're flying to move at flight speed on foot" exploit a while ago`
`03:25.27`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i used it to leap over southshore and run around before relogging`
`03:25.30`	`kahdgarxi`	`rofl`
`03:25.33`	`kahdgarxi`	`nice`
`03:25.39`	`End`	`lol`
`03:26.08`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`couple months after i found it out on accident, i saw it posted all over various exploiting sites`
`03:27.21`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`no, i don't browse them normally, but a friend gave me a link to some random one and i looked around the site`
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`03:32.40`	`Tain`	`hah wow, some EB stores will be open at midnight so you can buy your TBC and go home and play immediately.`
`03:32.50`	`cladhaire`	`yeah`
`03:32.52`	`cladhaire`	`eff them`
`03:32.57`	`cladhaire`	`i can go get my regular edition`
`03:32.59`	`Tain`	`Holy crap a lot of them are going to be open. http://www.ebgames.com/gs/wowburning/wow_midnight.asp`
`03:33.01`	`cladhaire`	`but i have to wait for my colectors`
`03:33.37`	`Tain`	`Including one 3 miles from me. Not that I'd go. But that's insane.`
`03:33.55`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`heh my nearby one is`
`03:34.00`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i doubt anyone will be there too`
`03:34.40`	`Kirkburn`	`I wonder if any will be open in Bristol`
`03:34.52`	`Kirkburn`	`I have a CE on order from HMV, but I don't trust them`
`03:34.52`	`Tain`	`I sort of doubt the one near me would be busy, my area is not a very residential area, it is mostly businesses and the rural areas are a bit away.`
`03:35.40`	`Kirkburn`	`Dammit!`
`03:35.55`	`Kirkburn`	`I was so excited, Bristol is on that AMERICAN list. Not the real Bristol :/`
`03:37.06`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i was trying to find a way to merge geography and owned but i'm stumped`
`03:37.08`	`Kirkburn`	`Hey, the BBC is running a compo to win TBC`
`03:37.16`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`ha`
`03:37.45`	`Kirkburn`	`Kinda hard though - http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/collective/A18134967`
`03:39.54`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`ha`
`03:39.55`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`not really`
`03:40.06`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i can help you out since i'm in the us and thus most likely not eligible`
`03:44.18`	`End`	`#6 looks like stubbs the zombie`
`03:45.46`	`Tain`	`Just read someone saying Razorgore was bugged for them and spawns never stopped, they kept coming the whole time even fighting Razor and after Razorgore died.`
`03:46.28`	`End`	`ouch`
`03:46.40`	`Tain`	`Pretty funny. haha`
`03:46.47`	`End`	`that fight annoys me as is :P`
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`03:47.01`	`Tain`	`Yeah no kidding.`
`03:48.15`	`kahdgarxi`	`how much does epic mount training cost now?`
`03:48.20`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`800`
`03:48.25`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`with no discount`
`03:48.42`	`kahdgarxi`	`i thought they changed it with this patch`
`03:48.44`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`flying mount will cost an additional 800`
`03:48.54`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`not that I'm aware`
`03:49.55`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`it's 540`
`03:49.56`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`at honored`
`03:49.57`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`now`
`03:50.12`	`End`	`flying or epic?`
`03:50.19`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`running epic`
`03:50.26`	`End`	`ok`
`03:50.29`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`150`
`03:50.32`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`so maybe it's 600 base`
`03:50.43`	`kahdgarxi`	`that would make sense`
`03:51.01`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`yep`
`03:51.07`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`600-60=540`
`03:51.09`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`zomg`
`03:51.15`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i win@math`
`03:51.19`	`End`	`the maths!`
`03:51.38`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i'm not english or possibly canadian`
`03:51.41`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`so it's just math`
`03:53.42`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`only took me an hour, but I finally understand how Maul did Trinity sigh`
`03:53.55`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`huh`
`03:53.57`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`:o`
`03:54.10`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`Maul = the trinity bars developer :)`
`03:54.39`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`I was screwing with bar headers and a lot of them were wrong on initial load`
`03:54.43`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`ohhh`
`03:55.40`	`Nom-`	`mmm green chicken curry`
`03:56.33`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Mike-N-Go (n=mjgoosse@64.193.93.197)`
`03:59.43`	`Nom-`	`this place makes the most awesome green chicken curry in all of perth`
`04:13.35`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`http://www.microdrones.de/products/md4-200/md4-200.html`
`04:14.07`	`wereHamster`	`haha.. 'Women remember, Steve. It's like they've got minds of their own'`
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`04:17.55`	`Tuller`	`so things to not do at startup, SecureStateHeader_Refresh(UIParent) by accident`
`04:18.11`	`Tuller`	`that one required an alt+f4 :)`
`04:20.53`	`kahdgarxi`	`lol`
`04:22.32`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`man they really need to implement a minibrowser into wow`
`04:23.08`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`k-meleon would be fantastic`
`04:23.14`	`PProvost`	`haha... and an IRC client`
`04:23.18`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`yes`
`04:24.46`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`hell`
`04:25.40`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`tribes 1 had an irc client`
`04:25.40`	`Nom-`	`I agree, Mr_Rabies2`
`04:25.40`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`it came out in 1998`
`04:25.40`	`Nom-`	`Do you know how many Guild Masters would love to be able to leave a window open for them to put DKP stuff into`
`04:25.51`	`Nom-`	`It could even be a special Blizzard one which noone can modify`
`04:26.02`	`Nom-`	`So long as you can shift-click to paste names and item links and stuff`
`04:26.29`	`End`	`I remember that`
`04:26.37`	`End`	`tripes 1 with irc`
`04:26.40`	`End`	`er, tribes`
`04:26.45`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`k-meleon would be perfect for it`
`04:26.45`	`End`	`I kann spell`
`04:26.55`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`small and super customizable`
`04:27.20`	`Nom-`	`Except it would need to be written in LUA`
`04:27.35`	`Nom-`	`Otherwise it'll require significant development time`
`04:27.45`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:K-Meleon_1.0.png`
`04:28.34`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i think finding a way to implement an open source web browser would probably take less time than writing one from scratch in lua`
`04:29.01`	`Nom-`	`<PROTECTED>`
`04:29.13`	`Nom-`	`If it can be built as a signed addon then it's (reasonably) straight forward`
`04:29.43`	`Nom-`	`My guess would be they already ahve something which retrieves and displays data (for the login screen)`
`04:29.46`	`Nom-`	`It's just not HTML`
`04:30.13`	`End`	`we do have SimpleHTML`
`04:30.24`	`End`	`I suspect the login screen news stuff is SimpleHTML`
`04:30.32`	`End`	`you could look at the GlueXML to tell for sure`
`04:30.41`	`End`	`(you'd have to extract it yourself though)`
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`04:33.21`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`http://www.wowhead.com/?object=176584 man i love this`
`04:33.47`	`kahdgarxi`	`wowhead owns`
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`04:34.08`	`Tain`	`Any head is pretty good.`
`04:34.58`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`280 herbalism`
`04:34.58`	`cladhaire`	`PerfectRaid and Clique updated.. this should be the last update you need to make together, since Dongle has gone Beta and will no longer change without a major rev bump. I.e. just update your addons kthx.`
`04:34.59`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`weeee`
`04:35.32`	`kahdgarxi`	`yay!`
`04:35.39`	`kahdgarxi`	`<3 perfectraid`
`04:36.05`	`cladhaire`	`<3 it more this weekend when it gets thr features its supposed to have =)`
`04:36.05`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`woo`
`04:36.18`	`kahdgarxi`	`http://newsroom.cisco.com/dlls/2007/corp_011007.html`
`04:36.21`	`Nom-`	`oooooies`
`04:36.27`	`kahdgarxi`	`apple = owned`
`04:36.47`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`wow, that was fast`
`04:36.53`	`Tain`	`Ah it's more complicated than that, kahdgarxi`
`04:37.09`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`I coulda sworn they reached an agreement`
`04:37.14`	`kahdgarxi`	`Tain - Yes, Apple owned the trademark to i*`
`04:37.24`	`kahdgarxi`	`s/owned/owns/`
`04:37.30`	`kahdgarxi`	`:P`
`04:37.31`	`Nom-`	`Welcome to 6 hours ago, kahdgarxi`
`04:37.39`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`heh i look back at wow and my ram is stuck in a tree`
`04:37.44`	`kahdgarxi`	`Nom- - =/ I'm so behind on the times!`
`04:37.56`	`Nom-`	`You can't trademark all words starting with i`
`04:38.03`	`kahdgarxi`	`I know, it was a joke...`
`04:38.04`	`End`	`it's been clearly shown in the past that you can trademark a prefix`
`04:38.09`	`End`	`McDonalds tried it`
`04:38.23`	`End`	`er`
`04:38.25`	`End`	`can't`
`04:38.26`	`kahdgarxi`	`can't?`
`04:38.27`	`End`	`heh`
`04:38.31`	`Tain`	`They've been working on a deal for a while, but nothing's been signed yet. But there's evidently some question as to whether or not Cisco really can claim the trademark, Apple may be able to force it away.`
`04:38.41`	`End`	`yeah, silly me messing up my can and cannots`
`04:39.04`	`pastamancer`	`cladhaire: what's the approved way to decorate praid frames from an external addon?`
`04:39.04`	`Nom-`	`Doubtful`
`04:39.04`	`Nom-`	`Apple probably knows what they're doing`
`04:39.04`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Cisco is just trying to get more money out of Apple`
`04:39.06`	`cladhaire`	`pastamancer: see PerfectRaid_Buffs`
`04:39.12`	`cladhaire`	`you can make an addon that does just that`
`04:39.13`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`obviously, the brand is far more valuable to Apple`
`04:39.17`	`Nom-`	`They wouldn't release a product they knew there was a trademark issue with unless they had a solution`
`04:39.24`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`no one will buy an iPhone from Cisco`
`04:39.43`	`Nom-`	`omg is there no downtime on Tuesday???`
`04:40.28`	`Tain`	`I don't know that either side has a stronger leg to stand on, but everything I have read is that there's a lot of potential issues on both sides.`
`04:40.44`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`sigh, i can't believe Blizz opened up 10 new realms BEFORE bc`
`04:41.21`	`Nom-`	`Why, Neuro_Medivh ?`
`04:41.34`	`Nom-`	`It'd actually be nice to start anew with the new races coming in`
`04:41.55`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`yes, but they shoulda done it AFTER bc`
`04:42.00`	`Nom-`	`It gives people an opportunity to hit level 60/70 before the entire server is running around in tiered armor`
`04:42.10`	`Tain`	`Of course I don't care what they call it, the iPhone looks like a nice product.`
`04:42.10`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`so people can start over with dranaei`
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`04:44.08`	`Nom-`	`It takes time to level`
`04:44.21`	`Nom-`	`And it takes even longer to get a player economy up and running`
`04:44.52`	`Nom-`	`I'd rather have the server up for a week, because then you'll have a few alchemists and therefore pots to buy etc`
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`04:59.52`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`whats the script command to open the map?`
`05:00.06`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i hid the icon and i'm too lazy to mess with key bindings`
`05:00.47`	`Nom-`	`ShowWorldMap() ?`
`05:00.50`	`Nom-`	`I'm just guessing`
`05:02.33`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`I tried that :x`
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`05:13.31`	`Tierrie`	`i r home`
`05:13.48`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`hrm...`
`05:14.19`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i have something giving mapnotes some predefined notes but i'm not sure what addon it is :x`
`05:14.48`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`"Created by MapNotesLandmark"`
`05:15.32`	`End`	`Megellan maybe?`
`05:16.13`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`nope. hrmmm`
`05:16.29`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`it might be alphamap or atlasloot`
`05:16.41`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`not quite sure but it's annoying`
`05:16.44`	`End`	`don't think atlasloot would`
`05:17.55`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:EpaxfW7iGF0J:www.wowcompilations.com/wow/packages/MapNotes/package.html%3Fshow%3D/Utilities.lua+mapnoteslandmark&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1&client=firefox-a`
`05:18.03`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`mapnotes itself maybe? O_o`
`05:22.20`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`it made ones in outland too`
`05:22.23`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`@_@`
`05:22.39`	`End`	`something odd I noticed recently`
`05:22.52`	`End`	`you don't see capitals and towns in unexplored areas anymore`
`05:28.57`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`hurr i can check addons that depend on mapnotes and find it`
`05:29.21`	`Cairenn`	`night clad\|sleep`
`05:29.30`	`clad\|sleep`	`night =)`
`05:35.01`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`hrm, something's not registering at a dependancy`
`05:35.49`	`End`	`hook the add function?`
`05:36.14`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i'm just trying to figure out what addon's giving predefined notes so i can disable it :x`
`05:36.21`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`it's annoying :[`
`05:39.19`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`it's driving me batty`
`05:39.38`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i can't delete the note because it readds the notes when i log back in`
`05:39.42`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`>:\|`
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`06:21.08`	`Tenebra`	`~whalecrit Tuller`
`06:21.10`	`purl`	`ACTION crits Tuller with a mathematically skilled whale named Isaac for #NaN. Tuller dies`
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`06:23.22`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`#NaN`
`06:23.24`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`what`
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`06:28.47`	`End`	`it's a floating point number that really isn't a number`
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`06:32.39`	`norgs`	`Does anyone know if the levelling curve has been reduced yet?`
`06:33.23`	`Sstixrud`	`If I want to detect if say raid group3 member #2 exists how would I do that?`
`06:36.07`	`abug`	`is the current patch number 2.0.3?`
`06:36.13`	`Nom-`	`Indeed.`
`06:36.16`	`abug`	`thanks`
`06:36.20`	`Nom-`	`Don't ask what happened to 2.0.2`
`06:36.23`	`Nom-`	`It's a secret.`
`06:36.28`	`abug`	`it's a secret to everybody`
`06:36.40`	`pastamancer`	`we don't like to talk about 2.0.2`
`06:38.06`	`Sstixrud`	`any ideas how to detect if you are in a raid, how many raid groups exist and which members#'s are in each group?`
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`06:39.45`	`pastamancer`	`Sstixrud: for i = 1, GetNumRaidMembers() do a,whol,bunch,of,stuff = GetRaidRosterInfo(i); do something; end`
`06:40.13`	`Nom-`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/World_of_Warcraft_API#Raid_Functions`
`06:40.29`	`Sstixrud`	`ya I read the wowiki stuff...`
`06:40.40`	`Nom-`	`lern2read more`
`06:40.59`	`Nom-`	`You could have answered all your questions by reading the docs for each function`
`06:41.20`	`Sstixrud`	`I did, it still was not clear to me`
`06:41.31`	`Nom-`	`GetNumRaidMembers()`
`06:41.31`	`Nom-`	`Returns the total number of people in raid, including the player.`
`06:41.31`	`Nom-`	`Returns 0 if not in a raid.`
`06:41.40`	`Nom-`	`That's seems pretty crystal clear to me ^_^`
`06:41.48`	`Sstixrud`	`that part isnt what wasn't clear`
`06:42.02`	`Sstixrud`	`how to use that to detect specifc raid information was`
`06:42.26`	`Nom-`	`such as?`
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`06:42.54`	`Sstixrud`	`knowing the total number of raid members does not tell me there are 3 groups, with 2 people in group 1, 4 in group 2, and 1 in group 3`
`06:43.09`	`Nom-`	`Which you can use http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetRaidRosterInfo to determine`
`06:43.19`	`Nom-`	`pastamancer's example for instance`
`06:43.34`	`Sstixrud`	`which is why I said thank you`
`06:45.19`	`Nom-`	`lol, then why were we still talking? I thought you still hadn't worked it out :P`
`06:49.56`	`Nom-`	`\| VARCHAR \| 64 \| HR__START_DATE \| NuLL \| Y \|`
`06:50.01`	`Nom-`	`When will the hurting stop??? :~(`
`06:56.54`	`Sstixrud`	`was /reloadui disabled in latest patch?`
`06:57.23`	`End`	`I didn't know there was a /reloadui`
`06:57.47`	`End`	`(if I have devtools installed, I use /reload though)`
`07:01.10`	`Nom-`	`I've used it, Sstixrud`
`07:01.16`	`Nom-`	`So as far as I can tell, it still works`
`07:01.36`	`Sstixrud`	`wonder why its reporting use /help when I try :\|`
`07:01.58`	`Nom-`	`Maybe it's part of a mod i've got installed then`
`07:02.31`	`Sstixrud`	`it worked yesterday :\|`
`07:02.31`	`Nom-`	`I wish you didn't have to restart wow to install or load an updated mod most of the time :(`
`07:02.37`	`Nom-`	`Such a pain`
`07:02.42`	`Sstixrud`	`I didnt yesterday heh`
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`07:22.21`	`vith`	`can someone identify what addon is printing this error?`
`07:22.22`	`vith`	`01:19:23 Can't get wid2 from link:`
`07:22.23`	`vith`	`01:19:23 \| c f f f f f f f f \| H i t e m : 1 4 0 4 7 : 0 : 0 : 0 : 0 : 0 : 0 : - 2 0 5 3 2 2 7 7 4 8 \| h [ R u n e c l o t h ] \| h \| r`
`07:23.25`	`bleetah`	`hmm, 'preparing to download new patch' -> 'cannot apply new patch to tools'-. /me cheers for infinite loops`
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`07:24.54`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`300 herbalism weee`
`07:26.05`	`vith`	`hehe, i just switched to herbalism today`
`07:26.21`	`vith`	`grinded to 150 before i got too sick of it`
`07:27.11`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`did the same yesterday`
`07:27.13`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`dropped leather`
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`07:30.14`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`old hyjal still blocked off :[`
`07:30.32`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`well`
`07:30.40`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`current time hyjal`
`07:30.54`	`bleetah`	`if anyone's running WoW under wine or cedega, or know someone who is, please drop me a line ;0`
`07:31.08`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`a couple people got banned for using cedega`
`07:31.19`	`bleetah`	`yeah, that was a mistake by Blizz, they admitted it`
`07:31.31`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`oh okay, you know about it then`
`07:32.02`	`bleetah`	`yeah`
`07:32.17`	`bleetah`	`anyways, was getting 120fps before 2.0.3, now I'm lucky to get 1`
`07:34.10`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`damn almost killed one of the elites in darkwhisper gorge`
`07:35.12`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`stupid mortal strike >:\|`
`07:35.27`	`Nom-`	`What level?`
`07:35.38`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`59 elite`
`07:35.46`	`Nom-`	`gah lern2frostmage :P`
`07:35.55`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`drood`
`07:35.59`	`Nom-`	`I can solo "normal" elites without a proble`
`07:36.11`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i could solo him with root + nuke but eh`
`07:36.13`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`takes too long`
`07:36.25`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`if it's rootable its killable by a druid`
`07:36.26`	`Nom-`	`3 frostbolts before they're in range, nova, 2 more, pet+nova, 2 more and they're noramlly dead`
`07:36.26`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`guaranteed`
`07:36.41`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i solo'd borelgore`
`07:36.46`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`took like`
`07:36.52`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`30-45 mins or so`
`07:36.57`	`Nom-`	`lol`
`07:37.10`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`root+starfire+root`
`07:37.36`	`Nom-`	`innervate`
`07:37.39`	`Nom-`	`repeat lol`
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`07:38.23`	`Nom-`	`The only problem would be mobs that have a high regen`
`07:38.35`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`or have heals`
`07:38.48`	`Nom-`	`ah you can't interrupt`
`07:38.51`	`Nom-`	`sux to be you :P`
`07:38.54`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`not yet at least`
`07:38.57`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`soon we get cyclone`
`07:39.04`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`and maim`
`07:39.17`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`we have feral charge, but eh`
`07:39.28`	`Nom-`	`Yeah, but that's not a school lockdown`
`07:39.33`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`550 mana for a 4 sec counterspell`
`07:39.35`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`yeah it is`
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`07:39.44`	`Nom-`	`feral charge isn't`
`07:39.48`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`mhm`
`07:39.57`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`oh`
`07:40.04`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`it's only THAT spell O_O wait`
`07:40.24`	`Nom-`	`I was actually hoping there was some new PvE content in 2.0.3`
`07:40.28`	`Nom-`	`But it seems there isn't`
`07:40.29`	`Nom-`	`sigh`
`07:40.32`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=16979`
`07:40.42`	`buu`	`So uhm. Is there anyway at all to make it automatically cast multiple spells?`
`07:40.43`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`it's all in bc`
`07:41.49`	`Nom-`	`Yeah, but i've got another week playing my Mage before I go 100% pally`
`07:41.59`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i think it's just like counterspell just worded weird`
`07:42.08`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`same effect`
`07:42.15`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`Interrupt Cast`
`07:42.21`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`4days 21hrs 17mins 54secs until Burning Crusade.`
`07:43.38`	`Nom-`	`There's no downtime on Tuesday if what i'm seeing is correct`
`07:43.38`	`Nom-`	`Sounds like TBC is enabled from Midnight on the dot`
`07:44.00`	`TheStig`	`hmm`
`07:44.27`	`bleetah`	`way i read it, basically if you get your hands on it after the maintenance, you're good to go`
`07:44.40`	`bleetah`	`covers people in, say, Oceania, to get it on the street date, etc.`
`07:44.49`	`Nom-`	`The Burning Legion isn.t waiting until the morning . its assault on Azeroth begins at the stroke of midnight, January 16th!`
`07:45.16`	`bleetah`	`i'm still gunna have it before most of you folks :-P`
`07:45.16`	`Nom-`	`Given that i'll have my copy of TBC at (server time) monday afternoon`
`07:46.04`	`Nom-`	`I'll probably go into work really early`
`07:46.07`	`Nom-`	`Like 6am`
`07:46.15`	`Nom-`	`and I should get home at just after midnight server timie`
`07:46.21`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`luckily they told us you know`
`07:46.30`	`TheStig`	`I got this addon called ICU (I see you) and it is a hunter/druid addon that targets people from the minimap tracking blips, and when you click them it will send a message to the chat log that says [player name] (Player probably.) then the next time you click it it will say [player name] (37 Night Elf Rogue). or whatever`
`07:46.40`	`TheStig`	`why can't it target the person FIRST instead of sending shady data to the party chat`
`07:46.43`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`"collect call from YOU ARE NOT PREPARED, accept charges?"`
`07:47.06`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`"THIS IS ILLIDAN GET PREPARED WE'LL BE THERE TUESDAY SEE YA"`
`07:47.34`	`Nom-`	`TheStig: You can't target a stealthed mob unless it's in range to be visible to you`
`07:47.58`	`TheStig`	`thats not what i'm talking about`
`07:48.03`	`Nom-`	`That, and you can't target a mob through scripts as far as i know`
`07:48.06`	`TheStig`	`i'm talking about humanoids on the minimap tracking`
`07:48.09`	`Nom-`	`They turned it off as part of the 2.0.1 changes`
`07:48.11`	`TheStig`	`it targets fine`
`07:48.17`	`TheStig`	`but what it does is`
`07:48.22`	`TheStig`	`it targets something to get the information`
`07:48.51`	`Nom-`	`I think you'll find it uses the tooltip information from the minimap`
`07:49.04`	`TheStig`	`but what happens is, it says Unit Name (NPC/Player Probably) then nanoseconds later it targets the player or NPC`
`07:49.18`	`TheStig`	`then the next time you target them with the minimap it uses the correct data`
`07:49.28`	`TheStig`	`why can't it target first, load the data and THEN display it in the party chat`
`07:49.46`	`TheStig`	`what i'm saying is, it's doing its functions in a backwards fasion`
`07:50.29`	`bleetah`	`two new feeds added to planet-warcraft.com -> noggaddicts.com and wcradio.com's UI feed`
`07:51.14`	`Nom-`	`I have a sneaking suspition it's not donig what you think it's doing`
`07:51.39`	`*** topic/#wowi-lounge by Cairenn\|afk -> Paste Code Here: http://wowi.pastey.net/ \| Patch Notes http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7908 \| TOC is 20003 \| People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw lions.`
`07:51.48`	`TheStig`	`i can target npcs and players that are at maximum range on the minimap through obstacles and everything`
`07:52.22`	`TheStig`	`the first time i click it it sends the name of that target and this message to the party chat: NPC/Player Probably being one or the other`
`07:52.52`	`TheStig`	`then the NEXT time i click that unit on the minimap it sends Name (Player) Night Elf Rogue (39) or whatever they happen to be`
`07:52.54`	`TheStig`	`even from far away`
`07:53.12`	`TheStig`	`because after it targets the unit it gets the data about that unit and stores it in some database`
`07:53.20`	`TheStig`	`so that the next time it is called it uses that data instead`
`07:53.47`	`TheStig`	`but what i want to know is, why can't it target the unit first, get the data like it is doing, and then display it in party chat instead of first displaying the unknown data`
`07:55.10`	`TheStig`	`Do you have a hunter or a druid that can track humanoids?`
`07:58.04`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`anyone know korean?`
`07:58.15`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`cause i'd really like to know what this says: http://imgs.worldofwarcraft.co.kr/new/community/cartoon/62_cartoon.jpg`
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`08:25.08`	`Kalroth`	`Hi friends and krka!`
`08:31.25`	`krka`	`:(`
`08:36.13`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`curse login still down?`
`08:39.50`	`vith`	`it was when i tried maybe an hour ago`
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`09:02.56`	`buu`	`Level 27 elites are hard for some reason`
`09:03.22`	`Kalroth`	`aww`
`09:03.38`	`TheStig`	`the ones in Gnomeregan have like 5000 hp`
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`09:18.17`	`Geb`	`is anyone else having a problem with Curse Gaming's addon sidebars at the moment?`
`09:19.21`	`Geb`	`anyone?`
`09:22.17`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`I think most everyone is afk either working or sleeping atm Geb`
`09:22.23`	`Kalroth`	`I'm not!`
`09:22.28`	`bleetah`	`Cairenn\|afk is`
`09:22.41`	`Kalroth`	`I don't use the addon sidebars though, but curse is pretty loaded atm, login isn't working etc.`
`09:22.52`	`Geb`	`yeah`
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`09:23.18`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`hey Kalroth, how goes? haven't seen you in a while :)`
`09:23.22`	`Geb`	`what i mean by addon sidebars is the sidebars on their webpage that shows you recently updated addons ect.`
`09:23.36`	`Kalroth`	`Cairenn\|afk: I'm lurking mainly :)`
`09:23.52`	`Kalroth`	`Geb: Aye, those are foobar`
`09:24.01`	`Geb`	`it's not an addon`
`09:24.06`	`Kalroth`	`Cairenn\|afk: had a nice christmas + new year?`
`09:24.08`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`hehehe, that's okay, we allow lurking here :)`
`09:24.15`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`aye, pretty nice, yourself?`
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`09:28.00`	`Kalroth`	`Cairenn\|afk: Boring, but good food :P`
`09:28.08`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`heh`
`09:28.30`	`Kalroth`	`I visit my parents like twice a year, xmas and uhmm, moms birthday if I remember it`
`09:28.34`	`PProvost`	`Night all`
`09:30.28`	`abug`	`what causes WoW to rename an addon folder to AddonName.old upon launch?`
`09:31.50`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`gremlins?`
`09:32.00`	`MoonWolf`	`gnomes, EVIL gnomes.`
`09:33.20`	`abug`	`oh ffs`
`09:33.35`	`abug`	`wow doesn't like addons starting with "Blizzard"`
`09:33.42`	`abug`	`or folders rather`
`09:33.49`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`guess those weren't helpful answers?`
`09:34.08`	`abug`	`they were helpful`
`09:34.52`	`Kalroth`	`:p`
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`09:35.11`	`bleetah`	`debatable usefulness tho, eh? ;-)`
`09:35.43`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`hehehe`
`09:35.56`	`abug`	`is there a rename feature on wowinterface?`
`09:36.26`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`you're talking to her`
`09:36.26`	`abug`	`but she's afk`
`09:36.27`	`bleetah`	`Cairenn\|afk: you're not a feature, you're a bug! :-P`
`09:36.27`	`Kalroth`	`haha`
`09:36.28`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`!`
`09:36.38`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`hmph!`
`09:36.52`	`Kalroth`	`You'll always be a feature to me, Cair!`
`09:36.59`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`awww, thanks Kalroth`
`09:37.03`	`bleetah`	`only someone massively bugged out would volunteer to help us lot! ;)`
`09:37.45`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`you have a point there`
`09:38.04`	`Kalroth`	`Hrm, so you're a bugged feature?!`
`09:38.23`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`abug: you should be able to rename it when you upload the next update, or I can go in and force a rename before that if you want`
`09:38.38`	`abug`	`ah I see it thanks`
`09:39.28`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`good :)`
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`09:52.55`	`bleetah`	`man, Kruul would've been perfect if he understood elevators`
`09:53.40`	`bleetah`	`it's pretty funny seeing him smack people out trying to get into/out of UC... but I'm guessing TB wouldn't be nearly as exciting`
`09:56.27`	`abug`	`I'm still suprised they encouraged the whole Kazzak style mob attacking city thing, especially after the whole kazzak does stormwind incident`
`10:00.08`	`bleetah`	`ah, if it's only for a week, and maybe one or two visits to each major capital, it's not that bad`
`10:00.28`	`bleetah`	`and it's not an 'unexpected' thing, like a sudden kite is`
`10:01.42`	`bleetah`	`apparently he wiped all of our IF, except for the Griff Master`
`10:01.56`	`bleetah`	`no one can work out how the griff master survived`
`10:02.54`	`nymbia`	`lol nice`
`10:03.09`	`abug`	`maybe his fat birds put him out of LOS`
`10:04.08`	`bleetah`	`it's also the ONLY time I've ever seen Horde in IF.. assisting Alliance`
`10:08.07`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`nod that's not something you see every day, that's for sure`
`10:08.45`	`bleetah`	`heh, cisco are suing apple`
`10:08.58`	`abug`	`purl, slashdot`
`10:09.22`	`bleetah`	`slashdot.. there's a .. thing from the past`
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`10:18.23`	`bleetah`	`oh christ, now my brother won't shut up about the phone`
`10:18.30`	`bleetah`	`shoot me next time I mention it, please`
`10:18.45`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`lol`
`10:19.19`	`bleetah`	`'you think Bill is the devil and hate the Cult of Bill, yet everything Steve does is great... um'`
`10:26.46`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`hrm, my mount macro isn't working O_o`
`10:27.16`	`Kalroth`	`pervert!`
`10:27.30`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`/castsequence [nomounted]Stormpike Battle Charger, Reins of the Swift Mistsaber, Black War Steed Bridle`
`10:28.44`	`Kalroth`	`are you sure it's [nomounted]?`
`10:29.10`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`working now`
`10:29.20`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`musta had an extra space or something`
`10:29.24`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`yep`
`10:29.30`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`/dismount [mounted]`
`10:29.33`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`at the bottom too`
`10:29.39`	`Kalroth`	`ah`
`10:30.28`	`Nom-`	`woooot confirmed`
`10:30.31`	`Nom-`	`no downtime this week`
`10:30.43`	`Nom-`	`rolling restarts on monday, that's it`
`10:31.58`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`... they hope`
`10:34.00`	`Kalroth`	`Yeah, it's only a minor expansion!`
`10:36.25`	`bleetah`	`what are you gunna do? bleed on me?!`
`10:37.04`	`bleetah`	`'tis just a flesh expansion`
`10:37.11`	`bleetah`	`hmm, no, that don't work.. i'll workshop it some more`
`10:41.46`	`bleetah`	`re: the new green dragonscale stats. (2) pieces -> 3 mana per second. (3) pieces->20mana per second. does this stack, or am I just dreaming?`
`10:44.47`	`Kalroth`	`You're probably stoned, yeah`
`10:45.52`	`bleetah`	`er, no`
`10:48.19`	`Fisker-`	`Nom- is that for eu or us?`
`10:49.35`	`bleetah`	`Fisker-: US, for sure.. no idea about euro, guess the same`
`10:49.45`	`bleetah`	`ie: they don't wanna do maintenance on release day`
`10:55.23`	`abug`	`just curious, who updates wdn.wowinterface.com`
`10:56.05`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`beladona`
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`10:56.44`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`who is currently about to depart on, or already on, a 5 day cruise`
`10:57.35`	`abug`	`I'm QQing`
`10:58.10`	`bleetah`	`back in time for BC eh? lol`
`11:03.35`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`4days 17hrs 56mins 44secs until Burning Crusade.`
`11:07.28`	`Nom-`	`it says on the login screen`
`11:07.36`	`Nom-`	`there will be no regular maintainence on Tuesday`
`11:08.51`	`bleetah`	`hmm, IF->Nethergarde, takes you via SW and costs around 7s.. Nethergarde->IF, takes you via Peru and costs 22s`
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`11:14.59`	`bleetah`	`hmm, i think i must've misunderstood the new leathworking/blacksmithing specialixzation mechanics`
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`11:20.47`	`abug`	`~feed a-stray-cat`
`11:20.49`	`purl`	`ACTION offers a-stray-cat some pizza`
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`11:21.04`	`abug`	`~neuter a-stray-cat`
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`12:16.38`	`bleetah`	`fwiw, the new G15 stats info gets 5 thumbs up from me! :-D`
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`12:21.16`	`Laricwork`	`I used to have some small macros that did "/rw this is some text i want to send to the raid".. these dont seem to work in 2.0.x patches.. how do one do macros like that now?`
`12:21.52`	`Maldivia`	`Laric: should still work - there are just some issues with raid-commands at the moment, so you might not have the rights to send a warning`
`12:22.23`	`Laricwork`	`well I am the leader as I form the raids.. so I have the access`
`12:22.35`	`Maldivia`	`hmm, /rw is working fine for me`
`12:22.49`	`Laricwork`	`in macros? It works fine from cmd line`
`12:23.07`	`Laricwork`	`s/cmd line/textbox/`
`12:24.45`	`Maldivia`	`yep, working fine in macros aswell`
`12:26.40`	`Laricwork`	`must be some taint issue somewhere I guess`
`12:26.53`	`Laricwork`	`taint is not a fun thing`
`12:27.35`	`Maldivia`	`there's no taint issues with SendChatMessage`
`12:29.01`	`Laricwork`	`k`
`12:29.52`	`Laricwork`	`hmm guess I will try and find a solution to the problem somehow. It is annoying as hell that I cannot broadcast vent info and such`
`12:34.20`	`Maldivia`	`what does it say, when you try to do it?`
`12:34.37`	`Maldivia`	`and tried, from a macro, /run SendChatMessage(".....", "RAID_WARNING")`
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`12:44.51`	`Oree`	`when I make a variable local inside file, its only local to that file, or the entire mod? (not local inside any function/etc) bur "root" of a file`
`12:46.39`	`krka`	`local to the chunk`
`12:46.46`	`krka`	`and the chunk is probably the file contents`
`12:46.56`	`Oree`	`ah ok`
`12:47.26`	`Oree`	`ah well, I just tested it - and you are correct`
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`13:19.48`	`kaso`	`anyone a hunter?`
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`13:20.05`	`kaso`	`how do i check if my FD is resisted? is there a combat log message i missed`
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`13:20.29`	`Kalroth`	`Yup, there's a combatlog message`
`13:20.32`	`JoshBorke`	`kaso: if the mob comes and pwns you`
`13:20.52`	`kaso`	`ha, well yes`
`13:20.58`	`kaso`	`Kalroth, which event is it under?`
`13:21.16`	`Kalroth`	`hrmm`
`13:21.49`	`kaso`	`the hard thing is making a fd resist to test it :<`
`13:22.06`	`bleetah`	`try some guards, say at LHC? ;-)`
`13:22.12`	`Kalroth`	`wowwiki states that there isn't a combatlog message`
`13:22.24`	`Kalroth`	`I guess you just have to monitor the debuff`
`13:22.39`	`kaso`	`but the debuff still shows if its resisted`
`13:22.48`	`Kalroth`	`it does? uhm`
`13:23.30`	`kaso`	`yah i know i've been down in the floor with the debuff up getting wailed on before`
`13:23.37`	`zenzelezz`	`I don't know if there's a combat log message, but you get the nice red "Resisted" error on your screen`
`13:23.37`	`Kalroth`	`oh wait, there should be a combatlog message on your side, you do get a message if it's resisted`
`13:23.42`	`Kalroth`	`yup`
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`13:24.52`	`kaso`	`Ah, on the UIErrorFrame?`
`13:25.29`	`zenzelezz`	`yes`
`13:25.35`	`kaso`	`interesting`
`13:25.42`	`kaso`	`never noticed that before`
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`13:54.37`	`abug`	`sorry cairenn`
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`14:01.52`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`abug: ?`
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`14:04.02`	`abug`	`that's like my third upload in a few hours`
`14:04.16`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`meh, no worries :)`
`14:05.00`	`Bouvi`	`Like anything else in this world. Once you release it you find more errors.`
`14:05.39`	`Bouvi`	`Really bad if your an airplane mechanic....`
`14:07.48`	`abug`	`when do you sleep Cairenn?`
`14:08.15`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`I just got 2 hrs`
`14:08.33`	`abug`	`oh so in little cat naps?`
`14:09.11`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`naw, normally I sleep in a bunch, but the alarm clock didn't go off so kiddo missed her bus so I'm about to drive her to school`
`14:09.14`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`and on that note ...`
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`14:23.54`	`abug`	`purl neuter a-stray-cat`
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`14:23.59`	`abug`	`purl, neuter`
`14:24.01`	`purl`	`Do us bots a favor, spay or neuter your human child today.`
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`14:24.24`	`abug`	`purl, slashdot`
`14:24.38`	`abug`	`purl, slashdot`
`14:24.47`	`Bouvi`	`~purl`
`14:24.48`	`purl`	`i guess purl is the embodiment of EVIL!`
`14:25.00`	`Xolan`	`~botsnack`
`14:25.00`	`purl`	`Xolan: aw, gee`
`14:26.44`	`Kalroth`	`purl, are you evil?`
`14:26.48`	`Kalroth`	`aww`
`14:26.53`	`Xolan`	`The big news is that Flagship officially announced Monday morning that Hellgate: London will ship this summer. \o/`
`14:27.00`	`Kalroth`	`:D`
`14:27.18`	`Tain`	`Yeah Hellgate: London is one of the games I'm looking forward to.`
`14:27.26`	`Xolan`	`can't wait :) new gameplay video at CES too`
`14:27.37`	`Tain`	`The whole thing about maybe having to pay extra to play multiplayer online is disappointing though.`
`14:27.47`	`Xolan`	`well it's SP too`
`14:27.59`	`Xolan`	`and it won't have a monthly subscription afaik`
`14:28.05`	`Tain`	`Yes, but maybe having to pay extra to play multiplyaer online is still disappointing.`
`14:28.24`	`Tain`	`They said recently in an interview they're still working it out internally.`
`14:28.34`	`Xolan`	`yeah just read`
`14:28.36`	`TheStig`	`hey guys i got a question`
`14:28.38`	`Xolan`	`, but there will also be an option to turn it into a subscription-based multiplayer game if you want to play with others and enjoy lots of new content.`
`14:28.41`	`Xolan`	`:\`
`14:28.44`	`TheStig`	`hold on let me make a pasty`
`14:29.12`	`abug`	`paste is the number one killer of bad breath and small animals`
`14:29.13`	`Xolan`	`Then he showed off the opening levels, including a beginning quest to recover a prosthetic leg for a poor little boy.`
`14:29.14`	`Xolan`	`:p`
`14:29.28`	`Xolan`	`ring any bells?`
`14:29.32`	`abug`	`wirt?`
`14:29.36`	`Xolan`	`mhm`
`14:29.52`	`Tain`	`Wirt's Third Leg was the best weapon ever.`
`14:30.06`	`Xolan`	`lol`
`14:30.11`	`Xolan`	`hope there's a cow level :)`
`14:30.20`	`Tain`	`Well, maybe.. the Diggler Dirk was another great name.`
`14:30.37`	`obelus`	`Mug o' Hurt`
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`14:30.58`	`zenzelezz`	`WoW's item names generally don't match Anarchy Online's, in my opinion :-\|`
`14:31.00`	`TheStig`	`whats the event to read the combat log?`
`14:31.03`	`obelus`	`i still have two icy mugs o' hurt on my dwarf rogue`
`14:31.33`	`abug`	`there's not really one event, the combat log gets its info from multiple`
`14:31.35`	`Xolan`	`last quote: Max Schaefer of Flagship Studios has gotten in touch with us at HellgateGuru.com to clear things up about the game. Single player and multiplayer will be free. No question about it. They are planning for an MMO portion of the game that they have yet to decide upon the payment scheme. It may very well be similar to the Guild Wars method of releasing expansion packs every few months.`
`14:31.46`	`abug`	`~wowwiki`
`14:31.47`	`purl`	`well, wowwiki is http://www.wowwiki.com`
`14:32.04`	`abug`	`~wowwiki Events_(API)`
`14:32.18`	`TheStig`	`I need to parse the chat log for certain abilities when they crit and play a unique sound for each one lol`
`14:32.30`	`abug`	`screw you purl and all you stand for`
`14:32.31`	`Tain`	`Well that is good, Xolan. I was planning on getting it to play single player anyway, but I like playing with buddies online, we had some people even fire up some D2 just about oh.. a year ago.`
`14:33.25`	`abug`	`mmm well first get familiar with the different combat events`
`14:33.58`	`abug`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Events_(API)`
`14:34.25`	`abug`	`and that's probably the wrong link becd`
`14:34.33`	`abug`	`becuase I'm sleep deprived`
`14:34.42`	`TheStig`	`i'm on it already hehe thanks^^`
`14:35.29`	`abug`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Events_(API)`
`14:35.39`	`abug`	`they look the same but the first didn't work`
`14:35.53`	`abug`	`in fact the second doesn't either`
`14:36.06`	`Xolan`	`it doesn't like the last )`
`14:36.07`	`abug`	`irc is cuttin off the end )`
`14:36.50`	`TheStig`	`yeah i typed it in manually as i'm on 2 different computers`
`14:36.53`	`abug`	`Your new best friends: http://www.wowwiki.com/Events_that_fire_during_the_Loading_Process`
`14:37.01`	`abug`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Parse_Event_Messages`
`14:37.03`	`TheStig`	`hehe`
`14:37.55`	`abug`	`although`
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`14:38.06`	`abug`	`if you're playing abilities for only the local player, you dun need that crap`
`14:38.16`	`abug`	`er wow`
`14:38.30`	`abug`	`I mean if you only care about the player's abilities`
`14:38.54`	`abug`	`you can just use the new events`
`14:39.04`	`TheStig`	`yeah i just want to play a sound when it says "Your Aimed Shot Crits" .. or "Your Multi Shot Crits" .. etc.`
`14:39.19`	`TheStig`	`different sound for each one but i get the idea`
`14:39.54`	`abug`	`ah okay, yeah guess you'll need to use the chat_msg events then`
`14:40.09`	`TheStig`	`i'm looking at COMBAT_TEXT_UPDATE`
`14:40.16`	`TheStig`	`not sure if it applies`
`14:40.44`	`abug`	`there's no one easy event`
`14:41.14`	`abug`	`you're going to need to see which ones have what you need`
`14:41.33`	`abug`	`best way to do that is to consult friend #1`
`14:42.21`	`abug`	`er wait`
`14:42.26`	`abug`	`crap I linked the wrong friend`
`14:42.33`	`TheStig`	`lol`
`14:42.44`	`abug`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Patterns_fired_from_each_CHAT_MSG_events`
`14:42.49`	`abug`	`that's friend #1`
`14:43.24`	`abug`	`for what you're doing, ignore the stuff underneath the CHAT_MSG style stuff`
`14:43.55`	`abug`	`just look for the examples similar to what you need`
`14:44.17`	`abug`	`and then record the name of the CHAT_MSG event under which it falls`
`14:44.47`	`abug`	`you're probably going to need CHAT_MSG_SPELL_SELF_DAMAGE or whatever`
`14:45.08`	`abug`	`you might not need more than that`
`14:45.31`	`TheStig`	`but i need to assign each sound to each specific ability and no sound for anything else lol`
`14:46.39`	`abug`	`you've got a pasty?`
`14:46.58`	`TheStig`	`i did have but my theory for it was kinda shot to hell with this new information lol`
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`14:48.09`	`abug`	`read through the stuff below on the events page`
`14:48.37`	`abug`	`some of it's kind of outdated, but I think arg1 still works`
`14:50.27`	`bleetah`	`higher FPS in Linux than in windows hehe`
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`14:51.49`	`obelus`	`cedega?`
`14:52.00`	`bleetah`	`aye`
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`14:52.18`	`obelus`	`i couldn't get it to run`
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`14:52.26`	`bleetah`	`had some fun and games with the XOrg composite manager playing hell with stuff.. til I noticed, then disabled it`
`14:52.31`	`obelus`	`tried it on a thinkpad though ... kinda wild set of devices`
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`14:52.50`	`bleetah`	`yeah, thinkpads are pretty insane when it comes to devices`
`14:53.04`	`bleetah`	`most notebooks are, really`
`14:53.25`	`bleetah`	`tweak chips mid production run to cut costs, linux driver collapses, etc.`
`14:53.38`	`kaso`	`bleetah as soon as i enable my addon in linux my fps seriously drops for some reason`
`14:53.41`	`kaso`	`:<`
`14:54.00`	`bleetah`	`kaso: which one? I'll either test it out right now, or go to bed (it's 2am here)`
`14:54.10`	`bleetah`	`kaso: I can try tomorrow for you, if you don't have time right now`
`14:54.14`	`kaso`	`just addons in general i mean`
`14:54.17`	`bleetah`	`ah`
`14:54.27`	`kaso`	`seems i get a 15-20 fps drop when in enable any :<`
`14:54.45`	`TheStig`	`i want to use SPELLLOGCRITSELFOTHER but i can't find any info on it in the events page for the args`
`14:55.25`	`kaso`	`whatcha mean?`
`14:55.43`	`TheStig`	`frame:RegisterEvent("SPELLLOGCRITSELFOTHER"); from there i have no idea how to collect data for using that`
`14:55.48`	`kaso`	`nah`
`14:55.53`	`kaso`	`SPELLLOGCRITSELFOTHER is just the pattern`
`14:56.02`	`TheStig`	`oh`
`14:56.17`	`TheStig`	`CHAT_MSG_SPELL_SELF_DAMAGE`
`14:56.21`	`TheStig`	`how do i use that pattern from that event`
`14:56.50`	`kaso`	`ok, basically in your onevent handler`
`14:56.54`	`kaso`	`you need to do something like this`
`14:57.20`	`bleetah`	`kaso: no addons = ~ 35fps sitting outside IF bank... with addons, it's more ~ 30fps`
`14:57.57`	`bleetah`	`no doubt I've got a bunch of other tuning still to do`
`14:58.17`	`bleetah`	`eg, which mode to work in (W98 vs WXP)`
`14:59.20`	`bleetah`	`hmm, a 'good' test, I guess, would be staring at the auction house NPC, vs scanning the AH with auctioneer addon`
`14:59.45`	`kaso`	`TheStig, this looks complicated but thats just cos its all on one line`
`14:59.47`	`kaso`	`spell,target,amount = string.match(string.gsub(string.gsub(SPELLLOGCRITSELFOTHER,"%%s","%(%.%-%)"),"%%d","%(%%d%+%)"))`
`15:00.05`	`sysrage`	`bleetah: except there's always random people coming and going from the AH`
`15:00.06`	`kaso`	`woops, i mean string.match(arg1,...`
`15:00.30`	`bleetah`	`sysrage: yeah, it's far from a 'controlled' experiment`
`15:00.51`	`TheStig`	`so spell,target,amount = string.match(arg1, string.gsub(string.gsub(SPELLLOGCRITSELFOTHER,"%%s","%(%.%-%)"),"%%d","%(%%d%+%)"))`
`15:00.56`	`kaso`	`yah`
`15:01.03`	`TheStig`	`thanks let me try it :)`
`15:02.29`	`kaso`	`though that pattern will only match "Your Death Bolt crits Fred for 80000." "Your Death Bolt crits Fred for 40000 (40000 Resisted)."`
`15:02.42`	`TheStig`	`yeah that's all i want`
`15:02.46`	`TheStig`	`crits`
`15:02.50`	`TheStig`	`cause i'm going to play a sound on crits`
`15:03.16`	`kaso`	`but i mean, it wont match partial resists/blocks/absorbs`
`15:03.34`	`TheStig`	`that's ok`
`15:03.39`	`TheStig`	`i only want a sound if its a full on crit`
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`15:11.21`	`TheStig`	`kaso you still there?`
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`15:15.25`	`TheStig`	`kaso: are you still here?`
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`15:21.31`	`kaso`	`yes`
`15:21.38`	`kaso`	`hi TheStig`
`15:21.41`	`TheStig`	`this probably won't work`
`15:21.42`	`TheStig`	`but`
`15:21.50`	`TheStig`	`this is what i've dreamed up in my head based on your input`
`15:21.57`	`TheStig`	`perhaps you can look over it and point me in the right direction lol`
`15:22.05`	`TheStig`	`http://wowi.pastey.net/4897`
`15:22.42`	`TheStig`	`and i realize that those sounds aren't being played for anything specific... i haven't gotten to that yet`
`15:23.08`	`kaso`	`i see, yah thats workable, lemme put a couple changes in`
`15:23.14`	`TheStig`	`tanks`
`15:23.17`	`TheStig`	`errr thanks lol`
`15:26.54`	`kaso`	`http://wowi.pastey.net/4899`
`15:26.56`	`kaso`	`love the name`
`15:27.05`	`TheStig`	`hehe`
`15:27.45`	`TheStig`	`wow thanks so much`
`15:28.16`	`kaso`	`actually`
`15:28.20`	`kaso`	`give line 14 a local`
`15:28.43`	`TheStig`	`got it`
`15:33.41`	`FlAWD`	`so did Krull crash anyone elses server yesterday?`
`15:34.12`	`FlAWD`	`http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5181181541346492447&q=kruul+magtheridon`
`15:34.16`	`FlAWD`	`my server :P`
`15:34.19`	`bleetah`	`yeah, did a total wipe @ IF on Thorium Brotherhood`
`15:34.25`	`bleetah`	`went on for about 3-4 hours`
`15:34.30`	`FlAWD`	`he was in IF for about 2 hours`
`15:34.34`	`FlAWD`	`ya then the server restarted`
`15:34.36`	`bleetah`	`I left after 2`
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`15:34.51`	`bleetah`	`apparently he's down beating up BB now`
`15:34.58`	`FlAWD`	`haha`
`15:35.00`	`bleetah`	`pretty funny, really`
`15:35.15`	`FlAWD`	`our server got restarted ... and we got our durability back`
`15:35.18`	`bleetah`	`much better than the scourge invasion`
`15:35.20`	`FlAWD`	`and he was gone`
`15:35.25`	`bleetah`	`ripped off`
`15:35.28`	`FlAWD`	`all the skeletons were gone ... it was weird`
`15:36.18`	`TheStig`	`kaso: it works perfectly thanks again for the help :)`
`15:36.27`	`kaso`	`no problems`
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`15:42.51`	`abug`	`http://www.thottbot.com/?sp=33512 kruul casts this on npcs`
`15:43.08`	`abug`	`why blizzard would want him to instakill every npc he encounters I don't know`
`15:43.30`	`obelus`	`i noticed the demon hounds killing scorpions and spiders in silithus last night`
`15:43.46`	`TheStig`	`haha`
`15:43.56`	`TheStig`	`because the website says`
`15:44.29`	`TheStig`	`"NPCs don't stand a chance against Kruul, only a coordinated team of well seasoned adventurers may stand a chance."`
`15:44.55`	`sysrage`	`has he been killed yet on any servers?`
`15:44.59`	`obelus`	`an ally guild got him down on greymane last night (dunno if he's hard or not)`
`15:45.05`	`sysrage`	`ah`
`15:45.47`	`Bouvi`	`Anyone know of an addon that tracks information about when you died. How many times, what from, what zone and what level you were when you died?`
`15:46.07`	`bleetah`	`he's very hard if he's in a major city with newbs running around screaming 'n stuff`
`15:46.40`	`TheStig`	`Bouvi: Opium`
`15:46.57`	`TheStig`	`if you have fubar i made a plugin for it to be integrated into fubar instead of the minimap also`
`15:47.27`	`Bouvi`	`Thanks TheStig. I was hoping no one had lol`
`15:48.33`	`Bouvi`	`Just trying to come up with an idea for a new addon.`
`15:49.23`	`bleetah`	`count amount of total time doing stuff all`
`15:51.13`	`bleetah`	`btw, isn't Kruul some character in Eve?`
`15:53.02`	`bleetah`	`hmm, would seem so -> http://www.eve-online.com/itemdatabase/tradegoods/criminalevidence/criminaldnapatterns/14292.asp`
`15:53.21`	`Kalroth`	`Kruul is a pretty common name :)`
`15:53.47`	`Kalroth`	`"Kruul printhouse began providing printing services in 1992"`
`15:54.09`	`bleetah`	`well, it's a real surname.. just thought it odd two MMO's using it`
`15:54.28`	`abug`	`is moving people in groups bugging out in the raid window?`
`15:55.58`	`bleetah`	`abug: probably. I know there's probs with removing/promoting people in raids, due to the index being out by 1 i think it was.. anyways, if what i'm thinking is correct, it probably would`
`15:56.10`	`bleetah`	`you prolly wanna talk to someone who's not been awake for 36 hours, tho`
`15:56.27`	`Bouvi`	`There was a movie once Krull which is close to Kruul`
`15:56.28`	`abug`	`heh I'm in the same boat`
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`16:03.06`	`TheStig`	`i notice that when i leave a BG i'm stil in raid with the people from my server who were in the bg with me once we all get kicked out at the end`
`16:04.50`	`bleetah`	`yeah, known bug`
`16:05.22`	`kaso`	`clad\|work are tou around?`
`16:05.24`	`kaso`	`you`
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`16:06.47`	`Bouvi`	`Hmmm Opium just deals with other players. Is there an addon that tracks kill meaning anytime you die. And what you died from, etc.`
`16:07.01`	`TheStig`	`not that i know of, that would be handy`
`16:07.44`	`Bouvi`	`I think that will be my next "worthless" info project lol.`
`16:14.26`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`hmm, Beckham going to LA`
`16:15.37`	`kaso`	`Its funny when you read through your code and have no idea whatsoever what a certain part does`
`16:15.46`	`kaso`	`How can i not know what it does, i wrote it :<`
`16:16.59`	`abug`	`one more reason to comment everything`
`16:17.18`	`kaso`	`psh, every second spent commenting is a second i could be coding more of the addon1`
`16:17.51`	`End`	`I've seen plenty of projects with -too- many comments`
`16:17.56`	`End`	`at least, imo`
`16:18.32`	`kaso`	`i only comment if A) its partually complex or B) its a uni assignment`
`16:18.51`	`End`	`I've seen people comment every single line`
`16:19.05`	`End`	`I'm like gah, how am I supposed to know which comments are useful or not?`
`16:19.14`	`End`	`I'm not going to read them all!`
`16:19.54`	`TheStig`	`i've seen assembler source files with comments on every line and it wasn't enough`
`16:20.43`	`End`	`I guess assembly might be more useful with more comments`
`16:21.03`	`End`	`I've dealt only in passing with that`
`16:21.35`	`TheStig`	`lua is hardly asm though lol`
`16:21.42`	`End`	`yeah`
`16:22.40`	`End`	`most lua should be pretty obvious`
`16:22.49`	`Industrial`	`down with comments, up with official and complete blizzard world of warcraft interface api docs.`
`16:23.02`	`abug`	`I'd hit it`
`16:23.27`	`Industrial`	`seriously they should just get like 3 people on that for a week to have it done and EVERYONE will be VERY happy`
`16:23.29`	`kaso`	`nah, i like the whole community feel, makes me feel speical`
`16:23.35`	`Industrial`	`not like they dont have 3 people`
`16:23.52`	`TheStig`	`well they had more than 3 quit so`
`16:24.08`	`TheStig`	`resources are probably spread thin with the whole expac launching plus losing those staff before etc.`
`16:24.28`	`Industrial`	`meh`
`16:24.42`	`Industrial`	`then they just go and whine at vivendi :P`
`16:24.47`	`TheStig`	`plus i like to come here and talk with you guys about things instead of going to www.blizzardswallotext.com to find out`
`16:24.50`	`Industrial`	`need 3pplzkthx`
`16:25.16`	`End`	`with 6 people and a week -we- could probably get a very good draft done`
`16:25.34`	`Industrial`	`TheStig: I like docs that say how something works instead of poking around every time yo find a new function, event or whatever.`
`16:25.45`	`TheStig`	`hehe`
`16:26.05`	`TheStig`	`they should just release all the source for their lua implementation`
`16:26.11`	`Industrial`	`lol :P`
`16:26.12`	`abug`	`speaking of new functions, time to add SetPartyAssignment and GetPartyAssignment to the wiki`
`16:26.24`	`End`	`I'd like to see the taint pach`
`16:26.26`	`End`	`patch*`
`16:26.29`	`End`	`that'd be interesting`
`16:26.37`	`TheStig`	`i'd like to see it removed`
`16:27.14`	`End`	`I'd like to see most of blizzard's code to be converted to be tainted`
`16:27.41`	`End`	`that way taint issues are already fixed (because they need to get their ui working) before we even touch it`
`16:28.59`	`End`	`(and by converted to tainted, I don't mean protected, I mean, most of their code has to deal with taint issues firstly)`
`16:29.12`	`TheStig`	`haha yeah`
`16:29.34`	`TheStig`	`the whole "we're immune, you guys deal with it" thing isn't working too well for me`
`16:30.27`	`End`	`well, there are perfectly legit things we just can't do`
`16:30.40`	`TheStig`	`name a few that you're thinking of`
`16:30.43`	`End`	`we can't reimplement or modify many things`
`16:30.50`	`End`	`well, positioning is a big problem`
`16:31.07`	`End`	`for example, I'd like to be able to do some flowed positioning of frames`
`16:31.19`	`End`	`(I guess like the bag frames)`
`16:32.21`	`End`	`also, there's the automagic rearrangement of frames UIParent does`
`16:32.46`	`End`	`that causes a big problem with the petbar for example`
`16:34.31`	`TheStig`	`i don't know what the deal is but the way i have my UI setup everything works perfectly almost all the time then randomly just out of nowhere using disenchant from the spellbook causes one of my addons (seemingly random) to taint lol`
`16:35.03`	`End`	`yeah, those bugs are a bitch to debug`
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`16:35.29`	`End`	`I wish we could get information on -which- AddOn tainted something`
`16:35.33`	`TheStig`	`i dont' like that wow doesn't have a run time debugger`
`16:36.07`	`TheStig`	`i don't know if i can attach visual studio to wow.exe without bringing the wrath of the warden down on me either`
`16:36.34`	`End`	`I'm skeptical that it'd be compiled with debugging symbols`
`16:36.42`	`End`	`you'd be a bit lost anyways`
`16:36.45`	`TheStig`	`true`
`16:37.51`	`abug`	`I don't know the official arg name for this blizz function, should I just make one up?`
`16:37.51`	`TheStig`	`wow needs its own official built in debugger for addons etc.`
`16:38.28`	`End`	`have you tried not provided the arg so that it'll bring up an error message?`
`16:38.32`	`End`	`or is it an optional arg?`
`16:38.43`	`abug`	`actually I'm not sure`
`16:38.57`	`End`	`(otherwise, I'd use the name used in FrameXML if you can find a meaningful one)`
`16:45.51`	`wereHamster`	`is there any situation where I don't receive UNIT_SPELLCAST_STOP when someone stops/aborts/is interrupted casting a spell?`
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`17:10.12`	`foxlit`	`So is it just me, or are curse/wowi rather dead?`
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`17:10.35`	`foxlit`	`Connections mostly time out`
`17:10.44`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`wowi was working earlier`
`17:11.12`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`wowi working for me now`
`17:11.58`	`sysrage`	`all the mod sites are overloaded`
`17:12.06`	`End`	`curse seems pretty dead though`
`17:12.23`	`End`	`wowi is slow for me`
`17:17.08`	`clad\|work`	`End: Dolby's working on speeding things up, I was talking with him last night`
`17:22.25`	`End`	`clad\|work: cool`
`17:22.46`	`End`	`at least it's not on its face :)`
`17:23.07`	`sysrage`	`http://www.fishnflush.com/`
`17:23.14`	`sysrage`	`err. wrong chan. but ya'll may get a kick out of it :)`
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`17:58.53`	`foxlit`	`Hm, raid pullouts refuse to die`
`18:00.17`	`nevcairiel`	`yup`
`18:00.21`	`nevcairiel`	`reload ui`
`18:09.21`	`foxlit`	`Hm, stealth detection now shows as icons above people/mobs' heads?`
`18:09.29`	`TheStig`	`yes`
`18:09.33`	`TheStig`	`but only while you're stealthed`
`18:09.59`	`foxlit`	`Perception too?`
`18:10.11`	`TheStig`	`don't have it so i don't know`
`18:10.27`	`TheStig`	`try a cats eye elixir`
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`18:48.23`	`Kirov`	`Font.xml I think`
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`18:49.57`	`TheStig`	`Druid: FF7D0A Hunter: ABD473, Mage: 69CCF0, Paladin: F58CBA, Priest: FFFFFF, Rogue: FFF569, Shaman: 00DBBA, Warlock: 9482CA, Warrior: C79C6E`
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`18:57.28`	`stavmar`	`does anyone know of a mod that makes a sound that says "fatality" in a female gnomish voice?`
`18:57.44`	`Kirov`	`bugsack`
`18:58.01`	`stavmar`	`Kirov, thank you`
`18:58.06`	`Industrial`	`I wish to be entertained.`
`18:58.15`	`Industrial`	`preferrably by moving thingies with sound`
`18:58.16`	`stavmar`	`lol`
`18:58.19`	`Industrial`	`it has to be funny`
`18:58.24`	`Elkano`	`have a look in the mirror`
`18:58.26`	`Industrial`	`.. anyone?`
`18:58.39`	`Industrial`	`thats not funny`
`18:58.45`	`Industrial`	`just seriously hot`
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`18:58.47`	`Industrial`	`;D`
`18:59.11`	`zenzelezz`	`I get worried when I look in the mirror... it's the eyes`
`18:59.12`	`zenzelezz`	`http://home.samsen.com/zenzelezz/zenzehat.jpg`
`18:59.27`	`Industrial`	`lol`
`18:59.29`	`Elkano`	`ok, if you think you're hot, you may be gay ;)`
`18:59.41`	`zenzelezz`	`and yes, I use pretty strong glasses`
`18:59.54`	`Industrial`	`I was going to comment on that`
`18:59.55`	`Industrial`	`:P`
`19:00.07`	`zenzelezz`	`everyone does`
`19:00.24`	`zenzelezz`	`it's only natural, they magnify quite a bit`
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`19:00.43`	`TheStig`	`I do not require corrective lenses of any type.`
`19:00.59`	`Elkano`	`id: http://www.butterweck.org/files/bubble.swf`
`19:01.03`	`Industrial`	`Elkano: according to this thingy I am. http://www.hotornot.com/r/?eid=BSKQHEN&key=BSK`
`19:01.09`	`Industrial`	`Elkano: hot, that is.`
`19:01.31`	`Elkano`	`never trust any votes you didn't fake yourself`
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`19:01.45`	`Industrial`	`go on, vote 1. ZING 8.6 pwnt`
`19:01.48`	`Industrial`	`:P`
`19:01.48`	`zenzelezz`	`it's interesting; me, my mother and my father all uses glasses, but my brother's vision is perfect`
`19:02.24`	`TheStig`	`zenzelezz: you got any "uncles" your mother is quite fond of?`
`19:02.42`	`Industrial`	`-_^`
`19:03.05`	`zenzelezz`	`all my uncles are uncles by marriage... my parents only have sisters`
`19:03.09`	`Industrial`	`Elkano: yeah that site.. thats the kind of stuff i do when i wish to be entertained (when im utterly bored)`
`19:03.51`	`TheStig`	`i'm just kidding zenzelezz.. i was talking about men your mother insisted you called uncle even though there is no blood relation...`
`19:04.05`	`zenzelezz`	`oh, right o_O I was thinking along different lines`
`19:04.07`	`TheStig`	`but i'm only kidding`
`19:04.15`	`zenzelezz`	`that much I knew :)`
`19:04.26`	`zenzelezz`	`but playing along can enchance comedy`
`19:04.30`	`TheStig`	`i was implying your brother may only be your half brother but anyway`
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`19:06.57`	`Bouvi`	`Speaking of seeing. I couldn't see anything http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UFLTrzPflo`
`19:08.00`	`Industrial`	`omfg`
`19:08.03`	`Industrial`	`i am NOT kidding.`
`19:08.09`	`Industrial`	`hotornot.com works like this:`
`19:08.32`	`Industrial`	`person a browses the profiles (randomly by a next button)`
`19:08.45`	`Industrial`	`person a likes persion b and clicks YES for a double match`
`19:09.11`	`Industrial`	`if person b clicks yes on person a's profile, you get a doublematch and yuou can sedn notes and shit`
`19:09.20`	`Industrial`	`so its an honest system`
`19:09.30`	`Industrial`	`http://xs511.xs.to/xs511/07024/untitleddfasdfasdf.PNG`
`19:09.31`	`Industrial`	`!`
`19:11.36`	`Srosh`	`lol, I like that "straight" dropdown box`
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`19:15.17`	`AbraCadaverr`	`not that I am interested in seeing it, but do you have a hotornot profile?`
`19:16.14`	`TheStig`	`i had one in like 1999 or 2000`
`19:16.44`	`AbraCadaverr`	`yeah, I didn't know it was still around till Industrial brought it up.`
`19:17.46`	`AbraCadaverr`	`I can't believe the people that actually post pictures wanting a straight answers, I mean come on.`
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`19:19.06`	`AbraCadaverr`	`its almost a highschool popularity contests, like the WoW realm forums of who is the best Warrior/Druid/"insert class here" etc. threads.`
`19:19.14`	`Dhraga`	`evening all`
`19:19.22`	`AbraCadaverr`	`hey`
`19:19.43`	`TheStig`	`btw i'm sick of the "OMG NERF FERAL DRUID" threads`
`19:19.54`	`TheStig`	`"OMG THIS WAS CLEARLY A MISTAKE THAT FERAL DRUID IS SO STRONG NOW"`
`19:19.57`	`TheStig`	`etc etc`
`19:20.02`	`AbraCadaverr`	`im just sick of the nerf such and such threads in general`
`19:20.25`	`AbraCadaverr`	`haha, its gonna be 5 days of feral druids owning pvp`
`19:20.28`	`Industrial`	`nerf nerfing!`
`19:20.55`	`Industrial`	`AbraCadaverr: http://www.hotornot.com/r/?eid=BSKQHEN&key=BSK`
`19:20.55`	`Industrial`	`:P`
`19:21.00`	`AbraCadaverr`	`LOL`
`19:21.10`	`AbraCadaverr`	`ohh is that you?`
`19:21.18`	`Industrial`	`yes :>`
`19:21.24`	`AbraCadaverr`	`didn't look before i laughed`
`19:21.38`	`Industrial`	`ofcource.`
`19:21.47`	`AbraCadaverr`	`fyi, i'm male`
`19:21.56`	`AbraCadaverr`	`:P`
`19:22.34`	`AbraCadaverr`	`hotornot, not that my opinion counts, is as worse then myspace`
`19:22.50`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`AbraCadaverr: given the number of people in this channel that are homosexual or bi, the fact that you are male is ... what?`
`19:23.10`	`AbraCadaverr`	`?`
`19:23.41`	`Bouvi`	`<- straight and has wife to prove it lol`
`19:23.45`	`Industrial`	`AbraCadaverr: it doesnt mean anything here to say that you are male or female :P`
`19:24.01`	`Industrial`	`could just as well be bi :>`
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`19:24.04`	`AbraCadaverr`	`Sorry, I'll specify, I am straight, but how do I know everyones sexual orientation now Cairenn?`
`19:24.15`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`does it matter?`
`19:24.22`	`Bouvi`	`Actually I am a lesbian trapped in a male body`
`19:24.25`	`AbraCadaverr`	`no, but you seem to think it does?`
`19:24.40`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`the context of your comments is the reason I said it`
`19:24.45`	`AbraCadaverr`	`I am confused as to why he showed me his hotornot`
`19:24.52`	`AbraCadaverr`	`did he want me to rate it?`
`19:25.17`	`AbraCadaverr`	`if so, I am biased, and don't look at men in that way`
`19:25.36`	`zenzelezz`	`<AbraCadaverr> not that I am interested in seeing it, but do you have a hotornot profile?`
`19:25.41`	`zenzelezz`	`sounds reason enough to link it`
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`19:25.45`	`Industrial`	`http://tinyurl.com/yb4mew`
`19:25.48`	`Industrial`	`like that?`
`19:25.49`	`Industrial`	`:D`
`19:26.16`	`AbraCadaverr`	`I was curiousity, hence stating that I am not interested`
`19:26.22`	`AbraCadaverr`	`it*`
`19:26.36`	`zenzelezz`	`and by linking it, he pretty much just said "yes"`
`19:26.46`	`AbraCadaverr`	`a yes would suffice`
`19:27.27`	`Industrial`	`well ofcource but thats no fun`
`19:27.35`	`Industrial`	`;D`
`19:27.39`	`Industrial`	`<-- away: food`
`19:27.56`	`AbraCadaverr`	`Hey, sorry if I stepped on toes, it wasn't my intention. I have many reasons to believe based on my nick that people would believe that i am actually female`
`19:28.16`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`no toes stepped on, was just saying`
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`19:28.37`	`zenzelezz`	`I don't see anything very female about your nick o_O`
`19:28.44`	`AbraCadaverr`	`Well, you said it in a very precarious way`
`19:28.44`	`Cairenn\|afk`	`btw, I am female, the only one in the channel that is`
`19:28.48`	`Bouvi`	`I just think your a undead mage`
`19:29.01`	`AbraCadaverr`	`undead priest*`
`19:29.08`	`Industrial`	`I just think you AND me watch too much cartoons :D`
`19:30.08`	`Industrial`	`wich one was it again? powerpuff girls?`
`19:30.12`	`AbraCadaverr`	`nah I perfer old school Care bears`
`19:30.34`	`Industrial`	`http://www.angelfire.com/nv/ppg3/enemies.html`
`19:30.35`	`Industrial`	`:D`
`19:30.47`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`yay cairenn`
`19:30.58`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`hurray for the boobie twins`
`19:31.02`	`AbraCadaverr`	`and zenzelezz, I don't either, if you read books, but people link my name to Abercrombie for some reason, don't ask me why`
`19:32.10`	`AbraCadaverr`	`and on the subject of being interested in seeing hotornot, if you read my previous statments, I think hotornot isn't the most special place on the web`
`19:32.28`	`AbraCadaverr`	`if you catch my drift`
`19:32.52`	`AbraCadaverr`	`anyone from the Windrunner server?`
`19:33.16`	`zenzelezz`	`I've only been saying that he linked the site based on your comment =) HoN isn't a site I visit either :-p`
`19:34.29`	`AbraCadaverr`	`kk i suppose i could understand my confusion`
`19:34.38`	`AbraCadaverr`	`err your`
`19:34.59`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Hot or Not should be renamed Fake or Not`
`19:35.33`	`AbraCadaverr`	`haha, agreed`
`19:37.02`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`"Hi, I'm Candy, a 21 year old bisexual girl who happens to love World of Warcraft, Babylon 5, and X-Men! No men pls, only hot girls."`
`19:37.36`	`AbraCadaverr`	`anyone know Hobss?`
`19:37.55`	`AbraCadaverr`	`wait if your bi, why no men?`
`19:38.55`	`AbraCadaverr`	`haha`
`19:38.57`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`"Because I already have a boyfriend who happens to be a 16 year old sophmore in high school"`
`19:39.06`	`AbraCadaverr`	`lol k`
`19:39.22`	`Bouvi`	`O.o`
`19:39.50`	`zenzelezz`	`or because it's actually a boy pretending to be a girl`
`19:39.50`	`AbraCadaverr`	`at least hes 16`
`19:39.52`	`Kirov`	`To quote a terrible movie, "Hi, I'm Candy" "I bet you are..."`
`19:40.05`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`No`
`19:40.09`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`it's "Of course you are"`
`19:40.29`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Clancy Brown = the win`
`19:40.33`	`sysrage`	`speaking of terrible movies. i watched The Hills Have Eyes last night.. worst movie i've seen in ages`
`19:40.45`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`and Kirov, that movie rocks`
`19:40.54`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`it's the sequels that suck`
`19:41.23`	`Kirov`	`Neuro_Medivh - the third one isn't too terrible, but mostly because the second one was _SOOO_ bad`
`19:41.33`	`AbraCadaverr`	`just watched a movie last night, "Why We Fight" a really good movie`
`19:41.45`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`there should never have been a sequel`
`19:41.55`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`now, a Sean Connery prequel would have rocked`
`19:41.59`	`Kirov`	`heh`
`19:42.03`	`AbraCadaverr`	`brb`
`19:42.09`	`zenzelezz`	`can't go wrong with Sean Connery`
`19:42.09`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Abra, what kind of movie?`
`19:42.27`	`Kirov`	`Sean Connery, the Babylonian, Egyptian, Spanish immortal`
`19:42.28`	`Kirov`	`heh`
`19:43.04`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`yep`
`19:43.07`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`"Ok, Sean`
`19:43.11`	`AbraCadaverr`	`ohh, it's a documentary on the interests of why America needs war.`
`19:43.25`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`"In this movie, everyone else is scottish but you"`
`19:43.39`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`"So, do your scottish accent" =)`
`19:43.48`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Abra, then it's flawed from the get-go`
`19:43.55`	`AbraCadaverr`	`lol, it is?`
`19:44.13`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`there's a huge phallacy that war is good for the economy, which is not true`
`19:44.16`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`"Highlander Zero: Sean Connery travels the world and cuts off people's heads."`
`19:44.24`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Zealot, I'd go see it`
`19:44.31`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`as would I.`
`19:44.38`	`zenzelezz`	`it's good for the part of the economy that has the money to lobby the politicians`
`19:44.42`	`zenzelezz`	`but not the rest`
`19:44.43`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Not really`
`19:44.48`	`ZealotOnAStick`	`He needs better villain roles, though, IMO.`
`19:45.09`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`People think it's good because WW2 appeared to bring us out of the great depression`
`19:45.13`	`zenzelezz`	`"We're surrounded, sir!" "Yes, quite..."`
`19:45.34`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`in fact, it was the destruction of europe and the US as the only industrial nation for a while that did it`
`19:45.45`	`AbraCadaverr`	`Neuro, I agree that there are other ways, but war is what we have involved ourselves in. for the better part congress can't seperate itself from it.`
`19:45.58`	`Kirov`	`ZealotOnAStick - Highlander Zero would be a movie about Methos`
`19:46.05`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`No`
`19:46.12`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Series = Not Exist`
`19:46.18`	`Kirov`	`hehe`
`19:46.37`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`though, I heard somewhere that the actor from that series owns the rights to the whole franchise now`
`19:46.49`	`AbraCadaverr`	`I disagree, we spend more on the defense budgent the any other beucracy combined today`
`19:46.50`	`Kirov`	`Adrian Paul?`
`19:46.54`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`yeah`
`19:47.08`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Abra, that doesn't mean that spending on the defense budget is GOOD`
`19:47.12`	`AbraCadaverr`	`we have think tanks decideding our future`
`19:47.19`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`it helps a very small subset of the economy`
`19:47.31`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`and the overwhelming expense of the rest`
`19:47.36`	`AbraCadaverr`	`It's more then a subset`
`19:47.39`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`s/and/at/`
`19:47.59`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`No, it's pretty much the defense contractors that benefit from prolonged war, that's all`
`19:48.00`	`Kirov`	`holy crap, there's a fifth highlander coming out this year`
`19:48.08`	`Industrial`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism`
`19:48.09`	`AbraCadaverr`	`we are modernizing other nations with our weaponry`
`19:48.26`	`Industrial`	`modernizing yes, good no`
`19:48.45`	`AbraCadaverr`	`what about weapons developed in just about every state in the US, those are jobs which in turn congress fights for`
`19:49.02`	`Industrial`	`"here, this thingy makes killing other people easier. 5 million bucks please"`
`19:49.16`	`Industrial`	`how is that good in any way`
`19:49.32`	`Industrial`	`besides the income`
`19:49.34`	`AbraCadaverr`	`it isn't good`
`19:50.13`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Abra, those jobs would be better suited to a more productive sector of the economy`
`19:50.19`	`AbraCadaverr`	`the movie is more or less about how America is more of a Capitilist gov't. rather then a democracy`
`19:50.28`	`AbraCadaverr`	`::sigh::`
`19:50.34`	`Kirov`	`http://www.highlander-thesource.com/`
`19:50.38`	`AbraCadaverr`	`I agree, I am not saying its good, AT ALL`
`19:50.40`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`USA is not a democracy, it's a republic`
`19:51.06`	`AbraCadaverr`	`its not a "true" democracy`
`19:51.10`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`There have been very few true democracies`
`19:51.25`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`the most commonly cited example is Athens`
`19:52.02`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`which very often fell under autocratic rule, AND the democracy was composed of the free men of land, not the whole population`
`19:52.07`	`Industrial`	`give every citizen a PC and let every person living in the country vote on every matter. ofcource its not doable but it would be really cool`
`19:52.15`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`I disagree`
`19:52.20`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`most people are stupid`
`19:52.32`	`AbraCadaverr`	`not exactly the case`
`19:52.51`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`obviously, that's an opinion, but I hold to it`
`19:52.52`	`AbraCadaverr`	`most people are just mis-informed with cable news networks brainwashing`
`19:53.00`	`foxlit`	`the swiss.`
`19:53.16`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Abra, most people don't CARE enough to find out the truth`
`19:53.20`	`zenzelezz`	`the big problem is that the mass of the people generally don't think very far about consequences`
`19:53.26`	`Industrial`	`stupid or not, having the right to vote on every matter would be more valuable imo`
`19:54.08`	`AbraCadaverr`	`because alot of people are working for most of the day, they don't get the luxury as some to do research on every matter`
`19:54.21`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Abra, which is why they have representatives`
`19:54.51`	`AbraCadaverr`	`Industrial, that would be consider a mob'ocracy, something our framers of the constitutions where frightened off`
`19:55.03`	`Industrial`	`yeah but what happens if he turns out to be a big fuck? cough boush cough`
`19:55.10`	`Industrial`	`bush*`
`19:55.18`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Oh please, Bush is not the devil`
`19:55.31`	`AbraCadaverr`	`no we have representatives because we are affraid of majority rule, leaving the minority to suffer`
`19:55.41`	`Industrial`	`hes a big fuck though :D`
`19:55.47`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Not even convinced about that`
`19:55.57`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Not saying he's a great leader; he's not`
`19:56.14`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`he's not even a leader`
`19:56.26`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`i'm not sure he's a "he"`
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`19:56.37`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`um, ok`
`19:56.38`	`Industrial`	`hes a monkey :D`
`19:56.50`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`you guys sound like Rush Limbaugh`
`19:56.52`	`Industrial`	`http://www.bushorchimp.com/`
`19:56.56`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`when Clinton was in office`
`19:56.57`	`Industrial`	`xD`
`19:56.58`	`AbraCadaverr`	`Bush may be the worst prestident, but still holds the same qualities as the presidents before him that were considered great`
`19:57.03`	`zenzelezz`	`to be honest, I'm curious what Bush would have been like if 9.11 hadn't happene`
`19:57.05`	`zenzelezz`	`+d`
`19:57.09`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`he's not even close to the worst president`
`19:57.40`	`AbraCadaverr`	`hah`
`19:57.47`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`oh please Rush Limbaugh is a) conservative b) seizure prone when discussing michael j fox`
`19:57.59`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Tierrie, I said when he was discussing Clinton`
`19:58.14`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Everything Clinton did was wrong, to Rush Limbaugh`
`19:58.21`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`the difference is that clinton did not have 20% approval`
`19:58.29`	`Tuller`	`bush on the scale is at uhh...mckinley`
`19:58.35`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Approval rating means jack shit`
`19:58.41`	`AbraCadaverr`	`really?`
`19:58.43`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`it means 80% thinks he's wrong`
`19:58.51`	`AbraCadaverr`	`is that why Nixon left office?`
`19:59.06`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`No, Nixon left office because he commited high crimes`
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`19:59.14`	`Eric_0064`	`anyone there`
`19:59.17`	`Kirov`	`nope`
`19:59.18`	`zenzelezz`	`no`
`19:59.19`	`Eric_0064`	`>_<`
`19:59.20`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`no Nixon left office because he was about to be tried for high crimes`
`19:59.22`	`Eric_0064`	`i need somehelp`
`19:59.25`	`AbraCadaverr`	`true, but still could've dodged them, if the puplic was with him`
`19:59.35`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Approval rating means he's unpopular. NOT that he's a bad president`
`19:59.45`	`Eric_0064`	`anyone know a gatherer addon that is compatible with the latest wow patch?`
`19:59.53`	`Tuller`	`you can't use approval rating and also say most people are stupid :)`
`19:59.53`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Popularity does not make you any better or worse.`
`19:59.56`	`Industrial`	`Eric_0064: just wait.`
`19:59.56`	`Kirov`	`Eric_0064 - sorry, this is #USPolitics`
`20:00.06`	`Eric_0064`	`?`
`20:00.09`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Tuller, huh?`
`20:00.19`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`that's true`
`20:00.23`	`zenzelezz`	`Eric_0064: Kirov just means you entered in the middle of a political discussion :-p`
`20:00.31`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`The person disputing the approval rating is the same one saying people are stupid`
`20:00.32`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`he's a crap president, the popularity thing is just a nice coincidence`
`20:00.48`	`Industrial`	`Eric_0064: I think its not a good idea that everyone goes out on patch day to look for the 3 addons that already work with the latest patch. Agreed?`
`20:00.51`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Tierrie, he's made some serious mistakes, I agree. But he's not the devil.`
`20:00.55`	`Tuller`	`Neuro_Medivh: I'm aware :)`
`20:01.03`	`Eric_0064`	`it doesnt work for me`
`20:01.08`	`Industrial`	`then wait`
`20:01.15`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`why do you keep saying "Bush is blah blah blah, but he's not the devil"`
`20:01.22`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`i never said he had horns and cloven feet`
`20:01.30`	`Industrial`	`he has a monkey face`
`20:01.30`	`Industrial`	`:D`
`20:01.31`	`AbraCadaverr`	`if fact no one did`
`20:01.34`	`Kirov`	`http://www.gathereraddon.com/dl/Gatherer/gatherer-2.99.0.0404.zip - early alpha, supposedly works`
`20:01.34`	`Industrial`	`giggle`
`20:01.37`	`Tain`	`But have we ever seen his feet?`
`20:01.37`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Industrial, so?`
`20:01.58`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`i think he has a monkey face and i doubt he has testicles`
`20:01.58`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`ok, so maybe he does`
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`20:01.59`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`does that make him a bad president?`
`20:02.03`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`no`
`20:02.06`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`but its a nice coincidence`
`20:02.08`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`So why even bring it up?`
`20:02.18`	`AbraCadaverr`	`All I am saying is he did a great job of war mongering and helping his croney buddies achieve great fortune and sucess`
`20:02.24`	`Industrial`	`the "war on terr" makes him a bad president`
`20:02.32`	`Tain`	`He couldn't be the devil. He was appointed by God.`
`20:02.39`	`AbraCadaverr`	`lol`
`20:02.40`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`he's a bad president because he made stupid choices, not because he had no testicles or had cloven feet or has low approval ratings`
`20:02.50`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Tierrie, now that I can agree with`
`20:02.51`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`but cloven feet and low approval ratings doesn't make him a bad president`
`20:02.54`	`Kirov`	`Tain - The devil was apointed by God too`
`20:03.04`	`AbraCadaverr`	`stupid people, make stupid choices, enough said`
`20:03.10`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Keep this in mind: I do not like Bush as president`
`20:03.12`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`the devil has no testicles too, since he was an angel and angels are ill equipped`
`20:03.18`	`Tain`	`Momma always said stupid is as stupid does.`
`20:03.33`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`but I'm not going to sit here and say "Everything Bush suggests is bad"`
`20:03.39`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`i will!`
`20:03.44`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`why?`
`20:03.53`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`I think many of his ideas are sound`
`20:04.00`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`i don't`
`20:04.02`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`just not enough`
`20:04.08`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`i havent heard a good idea from him`
`20:04.10`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`name a good idea`
`20:04.10`	`Tain`	`I'd like to say that. But none come to mind immediately.`
`20:04.18`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Oh, so Education is a bad idea?`
`20:04.28`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`"No child left behind" was a horrible idea`
`20:04.32`	`AbraCadaverr`	`the under funding of enducation?`
`20:04.33`	`Tain`	`You are right, seldom is the question asked, "Is our children learning?"`
`20:04.37`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`it basically let students that failed, pass`
`20:04.47`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`That's the execution, not the idea`
`20:04.49`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`the idea is sound`
`20:04.53`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`it just lowered the bar, not increased the level of learning or knowledge`
`20:04.54`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`the execution is flawed`
`20:05.24`	`AbraCadaverr`	`its the presidents job to make those ideas reality`
`20:05.26`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`and believe me, Congress had just as much to blame on the execution as him`
`20:05.30`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`the idea was not sound, the idea was something like "every children needs education" (yay) "and i will do it by this "no child left behind program"" (huh?)`
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`20:05.51`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`The idea was that we need to improve the education system`
`20:05.59`	`dukeku`	`by teaching towards tests!`
`20:06.00`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`the problem is that people decided to sidestep it`
`20:06.03`	`AbraCadaverr`	`honestly, check out Why we fight`
`20:06.12`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`its like saying "we need the spread democracy!" (which is a great idea) "by toppling a random sovereign nation and imposing imperial rule" (which is a bad idea)`
`20:06.14`	`AbraCadaverr`	`thats what I wanted to say to begin with`
`20:06.31`	`Industrial`	`Tierrie\|Work: word.`
`20:06.32`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Actually, I completely disagree that spreading democracy is a good idea`
`20:06.58`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`don't digress`
`20:06.58`	`AbraCadaverr`	`well it is if you look at it from a capilitistic approach`
`20:07.04`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`name a good idea from bush`
`20:07.17`	`AbraCadaverr`	`capitilistic`
`20:07.17`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`I already did`
`20:07.17`	`zenzelezz`	`I think spreading democracy is a good idea, but not one you can do easily`
`20:07.21`	`dukeku`	`Tierrie\|Work: tap dancing in the lincoln bedroom`
`20:07.31`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`I believe his ideas on Education are sound`
`20:07.38`	`Industrial`	`i think the UN and US forces have to leave from wherever they are and let people sort it out themselves, while at the same time stopping to sell weapons to these countries`
`20:07.39`	`dukeku`	`his ideas on education are terrible`
`20:07.48`	`dukeku`	`no child left behind is one of the least thought out programs we have`
`20:07.49`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`dude "education" is not a "good idea", its like saying "money for everyone" and then in small print "by reducing taxes and thus increasing deficits"`
`20:07.50`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`that's a difference of opinion`
`20:07.52`	`Industrial`	`"here have guns" 10 years later; "nono you cant kill eachother with it"`
`20:08.13`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`education is like 20 point font all bold, while the small 8 pt print is like "no child left behind! lets pass everyone!"`
`20:08.21`	`dukeku`	`Industrial: you killed <1000 people, now we're going to kill 100,000 TO BRING YOU TO JUSTICE`
`20:08.38`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`You're attaching the state's execution of policy to Bush`
`20:08.42`	`zenzelezz`	`UN/US weapons isn't the big problem... the (former) Soviet ones are worse`
`20:08.44`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`so you can't disgaree with "education" because that makes it seem like you're a douche, when in reality what people are disagreeing with is the 8 pt small print`
`20:08.50`	`dukeku`	`Tierrie\|Work: let's forget about actual teaching and just work towards making students pass test so we get more money!`
`20:08.53`	`AbraCadaverr`	`honestly Neuro your fighing a lost battle, fighting with people that don't have fox talking points and have access to the interent is tough.`
`20:08.57`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`the Federal Policy was "Get kids to pass, or you don't get your federal money"`
`20:08.58`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`ya!`
`20:09.08`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`The states response was "Ok, pass everyone!"`
`20:09.16`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`no`
`20:09.18`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Yes`
`20:09.22`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`that's how it works`
`20:09.25`	`dukeku`	`Neuro_Medivh: and the method of passing everyone was to teach away from needed education and towards tests`
`20:09.29`	`Tuller`	`essentailly, the administration prefers to stay on the high level abstract thing, but is completely inept in execution`
`20:09.31`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`federal policy was "if you pass everyone you get money" state response was "ok"`
`20:09.31`	`dukeku`	`which is a terrible method`
`20:09.33`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Education is dictated at the State Level`
`20:09.43`	`dukeku`	`if anything, schools that don't pass should get more money ot bring their programs up`
`20:09.53`	`Industrial`	`i'd like to add that im not american and dont know how that government works, so im just referring my 'bad thingies' to whoever made that decision.`
`20:10.03`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`the Federal Govt mandated passing levels for federal aid (the only leverage they have, legally)`
`20:10.26`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`it mandated the number of students passing`
`20:10.32`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`yes, I know`
`20:10.39`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`so the states responded by passing everyone`
`20:10.41`	`Industrial`	`i dont care who started any war or who stop it, as long as it stops ( aswell as manufacturing and selling arms)`
`20:10.44`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`so they could get their money`
`20:10.49`	`AbraCadaverr`	`ohh cutting College loans to pay for a war is great too, penalize the ones that have to work to get an education cause daddy isn't paying for it`
`20:10.59`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`how else did they expect states to respond? ergo stupid idea that was not thought out by the federal government`
`20:11.02`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Abra, College Loans weren't cut`
`20:11.10`	`AbraCadaverr`	`yes they where.`
`20:11.13`	`AbraCadaverr`	`were`
`20:11.14`	`dukeku`	`yes, they were`
`20:11.15`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`prove it`
`20:11.18`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`Industrial: http://www.sorryeverybody.com/`
`20:11.26`	`dukeku`	`prove it? ok, go to college`
`20:11.30`	`dukeku`	`try to get some loans from the government`
`20:11.30`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`I'm in college`
`20:11.34`	`dukeku`	`it's a hell of a lot harder`
`20:11.35`	`AbraCadaverr`	`lol pay for a college loan`
`20:11.45`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`And I live on student loans`
`20:11.54`	`dukeku`	`from the government, or through a private organization`
`20:11.58`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`are we still on "education" is a good idea by the federal government?`
`20:12.03`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`and I can tell you , the available money for Pell Grants and FAFSA loans have INCREASED`
`20:12.17`	`dukeku`	`i can't get any money through fafsa or pell grants`
`20:12.23`	`bleetah`	`neither can I`
`20:12.25`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`that doesn't mean the money isn't there`
`20:12.27`	`dukeku`	`so until i take out some private loans`
`20:12.30`	`bleetah`	`although that may be because I'm not a seppo`
`20:12.31`	`dukeku`	`i'm stuck paying for tuition on my own`
`20:12.34`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`that just means you're not eligible`
`20:12.34`	`AbraCadaverr`	`http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/interactives/budget06/budget06Agencies.html`
`20:12.37`	`dukeku`	`and let me say, that fucking SUCKS`
`20:12.53`	`TheStig`	`i can't because even though i'm 24 years old and have had my own apartment since i was 21 my parents continue to claim me on their taxes saying i live at home and despite me reporting them to the IRS nothing is done`
`20:12.53`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`so saying they cut money to pay for war is inaccurate`
`20:12.58`	`Industrial`	`i havent loaned a thing in my life and my band account has never been -0`
`20:13.07`	`Industrial`	`bank*`
`20:13.14`	`AbraCadaverr`	`sure is Neuro`
`20:13.18`	`Industrial`	`i buy stuff when i have the money, and save until i do`
`20:13.24`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`my bank account has been zero!`
`20:13.26`	`dukeku`	`neither have i, doesn't mean i'm still paying out my asshole for tuition`
`20:13.28`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`good old college days`
`20:13.31`	`dukeku`	`still not, whatever`
`20:13.49`	`dukeku`	`i just paid this semester's tuition, think i have like $90 left for the next week until payday`
`20:14.10`	`dukeku`	`luckily i don't have rent to pay, but christ it sucks living with your parents :)`
`20:15.07`	`TheStig`	`my parents have been fucking me over every time i turn around since i was about 14`
`20:15.07`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`parents rule, its like privacy = nil; food = 1/0;`
`20:15.14`	`Bouvi`	`Given the bills I have now I would not mind living with my parents again lol. But since I moved out 20 years ago my room is no longer a bedroom.`
`20:15.16`	`foxlit`	`infinite food? :)`
`20:15.21`	`TheStig`	`i had a college fund left to me by my late great grandmother and it was all spent by my parents etc. etc.`
`20:15.22`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Bouvi, lol`
`20:15.23`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`you should report that to child abuse TheStig!`
`20:15.32`	`dukeku`	`TheStig: i feel that`
`20:15.32`	`TheStig`	`i'm 24 Tierrie lol`
`20:15.45`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`bee are bee`
`20:16.04`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`anyway, debating politics is kinda boring`
`20:16.16`	`AbraCadaverr`	`you whould watch why we fight`
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`20:16.22`	`AbraCadaverr`	`you should*`
`20:16.37`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Abra, that's like saying "You should watch Farenheit 911"`
`20:16.45`	`Industrial`	`http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4924034461280278026&q=why+we+fight`
`20:16.51`	`AbraCadaverr`	`lol why?`
`20:16.52`	`Industrial`	`going to watch it`
`20:16.55`	`[Liquidor]`	`http://www.shoutfile.com/v/gSfSsCpR/Why_People_Believe_Americans_Are_Stupid`
`20:16.56`	`Industrial`	`bbl :p`
`20:17.32`	`AbraCadaverr`	`they have people like Bill Kristol, a huge conservative for Project for a new america`
`20:17.52`	`AbraCadaverr`	`it isn't biased like michael moore`
`20:18.09`	`TC_Working`	`http://www.explosm.net/db/files/Comics/Rob/bang.jpg`
`20:18.23`	`AbraCadaverr`	`I can't believe you are comparing things that you have no idea about`
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`20:19.04`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`I wasn't comparing them, I was saying that in today's media, any documentary is almost certainly biased`
`20:19.07`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`so did anyone watch the troop surge request last night?`
`20:19.11`	`Industrial`	`TC_Working: lol.`
`20:19.12`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`then again, maybe I'm just being cynical`
`20:19.14`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`i thought it was pretty compelling`
`20:19.22`	`AbraCadaverr`	`I think you are in denial`
`20:19.23`	`Tuller`	`hrm, so theory about vbagnon. I rever to a single all in one view again. You can search via the simple spot method, or a more advanced method, you can save searches from both`
`20:19.33`	`Tuller`	`they'll be listed as tabs on your frame, like now`
`20:19.50`	`TC_Working`	`ya, Industrial, but i dont think i want to try it myself`
`20:19.56`	`Tuller`	`that is, you can drag them out, and also hover over to see items that match the rule in your inventory`
`20:20.28`	`Tuller`	`well, at least saved searches is a more logical way of creating tabs, I think`
`20:20.54`	`kergoth`	`sounds nice. not what i need, i'll probably switch to baggins or arkinventory, but it does sound nice`
`20:21.27`	`Tuller`	`yeah I'm trying to figure out more or less what I need :)`
`20:21.54`	`Tuller`	`I feel vbagnon right now is a tad unfocused`
`20:21.57`	`Bouvi`	`vBagnon rocks. Only thing I miss is seeing inventory/banks on other characters.`
`20:22.10`	`Tuller`	`yeah that's coming when I code it soonish`
`20:22.59`	`Tuller`	`you did not just write a new actionbar system, then figure out keybindings do not work for a lot of people, and have to rewrite the old system :P`
`20:24.05`	`Bouvi`	`Darn details. Why did keybindings not work? Granted I have not switched to the newer versions due to my settings not coming through..`
`20:24.10`	`AbraCadaverr`	`that video for why people think americans are stupid is great!`
`20:24.49`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`bah`
`20:25.06`	`dukeku`	`ffaffafafa`
`20:25.09`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Abra, that's a perfect example of biased media`
`20:25.35`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`you can prove any people are stupid. Ask enough people, and just show all the wrong answers`
`20:25.38`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`someone mentioned that there's a ace replacement for characterviewer?`
`20:26.50`	`Tuller`	`Bouvi: I'm not sure, as they worked perfectly for me`
`20:27.11`	`Bouvi`	`Well if you need a tester just shout. Be happy to help`
`20:27.17`	`Tuller`	`i'm just going with the theory that statebindigns were never to be intended to be used like I did :)`
`20:27.23`	`AbraCadaverr`	`Neuro, stupid is saying a triangle has 1 or 4 sides`
`20:27.34`	`AbraCadaverr`	`I am sorry any answer you give after that is retarded`
`20:27.52`	`AbraCadaverr`	`thats not biased`
`20:28.17`	`AbraCadaverr`	`thats common knowledge, and it was you saying america is stupid right?`
`20:28.32`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Oh, I'm not disputing the results`
`20:28.36`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`I'm disputing the method`
`20:29.15`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`It wouldn't have mattered what country they tried that trick in, if they wanted the people to look stupid, they would have succeeded`
`20:29.15`	`nevcairiel`	`Tuller: did you see the macro [button:] changes in 2.0.3 ? ( well its bugged right now ), but once its unbugged, it should allow button:1 macro syntax with a changed statebutton`
`20:29.18`	`nevcairiel`	`i think`
`20:29.20`	`nevcairiel`	`anyway`
`20:29.21`	`nevcairiel`	`:)`
`20:30.32`	`AbraCadaverr`	`Neuro, when you are the sole super power, something you shouldn't be is stupid`
`20:31.27`	`Tain`	`Being intelligent has nothing at all to do with being a power.`
`20:31.43`	`AbraCadaverr`	`being dumb doesn't get you to where you are`
`20:32.03`	`AbraCadaverr`	`bill gates doesn't have power cause he doesn't know how many sides a triangle has`
`20:32.16`	`Tain`	`Then how do you explain Paris Hilton?`
`20:32.34`	`zenzelezz`	`she'd be nothing without her father`
`20:32.40`	`AbraCadaverr`	`you think the us just inherited this super power status?`
`20:32.46`	`nevcairiel`	`yeah, some people just inherit power :P`
`20:32.54`	`Tain`	`So it wasn't just her keen intelligence behind it all?`
`20:32.54`	`AbraCadaverr`	`lol`
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`20:33.23`	`AbraCadaverr`	`no, you are comparing apples to oranges`
`20:33.59`	`nevcairiel`	`both fruits, valid comparions in my fruit class :D`
`20:33.59`	`Tain`	`Actually I think it's a fairly apt comparison.`
`20:34.19`	`Tain`	`She's a moron, yet she gets a lot. Why? Because someone who came before her gave it to her.`
`20:34.23`	`Tuller`	`nevcairiel: yeah`
`20:34.26`	`AbraCadaverr`	`Ok, then tell me how the US inherited power with no brains`
`20:34.39`	`Tain`	`The same way she did.`
`20:34.40`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Your contention is that every single citizen of the United States has to be brilliant?`
`20:34.56`	`Tain`	`Someone else did the work, other people don't have to be intelligence to reap the benefits.`
`20:35.00`	`AbraCadaverr`	`so your saying Brittain died and gave its power to the US?`
`20:35.12`	`TheStig`	`Britain`
`20:35.13`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`No, we're saying there are many smart people in the US`
`20:35.22`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`plus, we had more resources`
`20:35.30`	`TC_Working`	`none of them, however, on in this channel atm`
`20:35.36`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`possibly not =)`
`20:35.40`	`TC_Working`	`s/on/are/`
`20:35.47`	`TC_Working`	`.....including me`
`20:35.47`	`Tuller`	`nevcairiel: right click selfcast is still a pain to implement with the current system though :)`
`20:35.47`	`AbraCadaverr`	`my contention is that we should be farther in intelligence and global awareness then other countries`
`20:35.56`	`Tain`	`Well, Britain did turn tail and run. But no, you know very well that is not what I'm saying, so if you're going to spout nonsense like that have fun with it.`
`20:36.09`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Abra, I agree`
`20:36.20`	`nevcairiel`	`Tuller: yeah..`
`20:36.28`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`I think the average US citizen is stupider than he or she should be`
`20:36.34`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`but the fact remains`
`20:36.38`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`that video is worthless`
`20:36.40`	`TonyD`	`any linmux people here?`
`20:36.48`	`Tuller`	`nevcairiel: but its a bit less of a pain than implementing a whole new keybinding system :)`
`20:36.53`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`because it only showed the dumb answers`
`20:37.03`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`and ignored the hundreds of correct answers`
`20:37.06`	`nevcairiel`	`Tuller: tell me about it`
`20:37.31`	`AbraCadaverr`	`that video is just poking fun, regardless if they showed the whole thing its still is representative`
`20:37.44`	`TC_Working`	`http://www.explosm.net/comics/116/`
`20:38.15`	`AbraCadaverr`	`look at the demographic of tests that show how low we are in intelligence and global awareness`
`20:38.30`	`AbraCadaverr`	`although you will find some way to say the tests are biased`
`20:38.31`	`bleetah`	`look, it's pretty simple. apart from india, china... maybe one or two others, the US has more idiots than any other country. it's simple math. 50% of population have below average IQ. There's an awful lot of people in the US. Hence, an awful lot of idiots.`
`20:39.13`	`bleetah`	`(this is the same reason your realm is full of morons)`
`20:39.20`	`AbraCadaverr`	`...`
`20:39.40`	`bleetah`	`it just comes down to squeaky wheels and stuff`
`20:39.43`	`bleetah`	`creating the perception`
`20:39.58`	`Tain`	`Squeaky wheel gets the kick!`
`20:40.35`	`AbraCadaverr`	`so your saying the economy of china and india has nothing to do with their failures, and if you look they rank on a percentage base, above us on every test`
`20:41.08`	`bleetah`	`i'm just explaining why there's a lot of idiots in the US. not involving economics at all.`
`20:41.18`	`bleetah`	`awful lot of idiots in India and China, too`
`20:41.41`	`TheStig`	`there are morons anywhere you go`
`20:41.45`	`bleetah`	`aye`
`20:41.53`	`bleetah`	`every second person you pass on the street`
`20:41.55`	`AbraCadaverr`	`yeah your arguement makes no sense`
`20:41.58`	`TheStig`	`indeed`
`20:42.19`	`bleetah`	`what makes no sense? that 50% of the population have below average IQ?`
`20:42.30`	`TheStig`	`maybe not below average IQ`
`20:42.34`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`no, he's right`
`20:42.38`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`because 50% is the avg`
`20:42.41`	`TheStig`	`just below average ability to function in a group`
`20:42.42`	`AbraCadaverr`	`wheres the fact behind this`
`20:42.43`	`TheStig`	`oh i see`
`20:42.51`	`TheStig`	`i won't disagree`
`20:43.02`	`Kirov`	`heh`
`20:43.11`	`bleetah`	`IQ is a measurement of average intelligence... for want of a better term`
`20:43.20`	`bleetah`	`as it's an average, 50% will be below, 50% above`
`20:43.24`	`AbraCadaverr`	`I am saying as a super power we should be above these countries`
`20:43.26`	`bleetah`	`simple`
`20:43.52`	`bleetah`	`and I'm saying you've got a lot of idiots in the US, being a superpower is irrelevant`
`20:44.08`	`AbraCadaverr`	`no its not`
`20:44.13`	`tc3driver`	`AbraCadaverr, unfortunatly they do not teach any practical logic in schools, here in the US, any more`
`20:44.41`	`Kirov`	`Part of why the US is a super power is because of it's poor education.`
`20:45.00`	`tc3driver`	`aye, poor education == sheeple`
`20:45.00`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`that seems counter-intuitive`
`20:45.06`	`TheStig`	`i tend to believe more than 50% are idiots i'm about 80% misanthropist`
`20:45.18`	`AbraCadaverr`	`bleetah, i know you just entered the convorsation but what I have been saying is that being a superpower should employ means to teach our kids the better, not the worse`
`20:45.30`	`tc3driver`	`sheeple == easy way to get a war machine govt working`
`20:45.32`	`TheStig`	`you lot are well above average though :)`
`20:45.33`	`Kirov`	`The military as a career is more viable if your other option is a fast food manager`
`20:45.42`	`tc3driver`	`war machine govt == way of romans`
`20:47.32`	`tc3driver`	`the govt here is all about $$$$, and not for the people, but for themselves, and thier friends (read donaters).`
`20:47.46`	`tc3driver`	`and they know that ignorance is bliss... so they try to keep it that way`
`20:49.07`	`AbraCadaverr`	`as a country that isn't opressed, and has economic freedoms, we have some really dumb people`
`20:49.26`	`AbraCadaverr`	`ignorance is bliss`
`20:49.29`	`tc3driver`	`>.>;; that's what you think`
`20:49.55`	`tc3driver`	`though I wouldnt use the word opressed, more forced...`
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`20:50.15`	`TheStig`	`US Forces stormed the Iranian Consulate in Iraq a while ago`
`20:50.17`	`TheStig`	`this can't end well`
`20:50.30`	`bleetah`	`woot for server restart`
`20:50.52`	`tc3driver`	`yes... as I said... the US is going the way of the romans`
`20:51.41`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`You mean, setting the basis and foundation for all western civilization?`
`20:52.59`	`bleetah`	`or fighting a religion that they'll then claim as their own?`
`20:53.00`	`tc3driver`	`it wont be long before we are no longer a super power, as the infastructure here continues to deteriorate, and we have to outsource more jobs, parts, and products... our economy will steadly decline... and we will end up like the roman empire... a once was`
`20:53.25`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`on the plus side`
`20:53.32`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`we'll all be long dead by then`
`20:53.32`	`bleetah`	`the romans didn't set the basis for western civ`
`20:53.57`	`tc3driver`	`the romans set the basis for how NOT to run a govt.`
`20:54.05`	`Kirov`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzKcPiqmHN4&eurl= - lol`
`20:54.17`	`AbraCadaverr`	`of course we will be dead, but great life for our children`
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`20:54.33`	`tc3driver`	`I think I will live to see the fall of the US`
`20:54.55`	`tc3driver`	`it has allready started, it started in the mid 60's`
`20:55.02`	`bleetah`	`persians, egyptians and greeks had been going at it well before the romans. not to mention the chinese. then there's the arabs who kept the paperwork alive during the dark ages. if anything, it'd be the arabs who kept the basis available for western civilisation.`
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`20:56.04`	`kremonte`	`is there anyway to have table keys sorted by when you insert them? or do i need to order them logically to be loaded as such?`
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`20:59.36`	`Kirov`	`kremonte - lua table keys cannot be sorted, unless they're sequential numbers`
`20:59.37`	`ckknight`	`kremonte: there's a tip on this page about that: http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Coding_Tips`
`21:00.26`	`bleetah`	`can't read that`
`21:00.30`	`bleetah`	`site's in maintenance mode`
`21:00.33`	`kremonte`	`yea hehe`
`21:00.44`	`kremonte`	`just want to save myself the hassle of nesting tables in tables in tables`
`21:01.24`	`kremonte`	`so anyone know why this isn't working? iftt:SetScript("OnDragStart", function() iftt:StartMoving() end)`
`21:01.25`	`Kaelten`	`ya wowace.com is broke atm :P`
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`21:03.45`	`buu`	`Hrm.`
`21:04.03`	`buu`	`How do you create buttons that cast spells?`
`21:07.17`	`buu`	`Or how do you take those draggable buttons in "real" action bars?\`
`21:07.29`	`Kirov`	`buu - have you done much mod stuff before?`
`21:07.33`	`buu`	`For wow?`
`21:07.42`	`Kirov`	`aye`
`21:07.47`	`buu`	`Negatory.`
`21:07.51`	`Kirov`	`mkay`
`21:08.00`	`buu`	`I'm reading massive lists of functions at the moment.`
`21:08.33`	`Kirov`	`on wowwiki?`
`21:08.33`	`buu`	`Indeed.`
`21:08.40`	`Kirov`	`Creating an action button or button that casts a spell is actually fairly easy.`
`21:08.48`	`Kirov`	`As far as the amount of code needed at least.`
`21:08.51`	`buu`	`Well that's good.`
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`21:09.20`	`buu`	`Mind pointing me at something that describes it?`
`21:09.22`	`Kirov`	`Actually understanding what it's doing on the other hand, it's close to one of the most complex things in the game`
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`21:09.29`	`buu`	`Heh, sounds like fun`
`21:09.35`	`Kirov`	`You're looking for infromation on Secure Templates`
`21:09.46`	`Kirov`	`s/infromation/information/`
`21:09.51`	`buu`	`Woah`
`21:10.22`	`TheStig`	`The quick brown dog jumped over the lazy fox.`
`21:10.27`	`buu`	`So that's where purl is hiding.`
`21:10.31`	`TheStig`	`s/dog/fox/, s/fox/dog/`
`21:10.44`	`TheStig`	`The quick brown dog jumped over the lazy fox.`
`21:10.49`	`TheStig`	`s/dog/fox/ s/fox/dog/`
`21:11.14`	`TheStig`	`The quick brown dog jumped over the lazy dog.`
`21:11.19`	`TheStig`	`s/dog/fox/`
`21:17.13`	`buu`	`So hrm.`
`21:18.54`	`buu`	`Is there an API function to execute arbitrary "slash" commands?`
`21:19.29`	`Kirov`	`not exactly`
`21:20.24`	`Kirov`	`depends on the slash command, but you can often run the SlashCmdList["SLASHCMDNAME"] entry`
`21:20.33`	`buu`	`Hrm.`
`21:20.49`	`Kirov`	`Otherwise they should all have near equivalents as functions`
`21:21.02`	`buu`	`Heh, I think I'm trying to do something disallowed =[`
`21:21.24`	`Kirov`	`What are are you attempting?`
`21:21.42`	`buu`	`I really want to cast spells =[`
`21:21.48`	`Kirov`	`ok`
`21:22.31`	`Kirov`	`You need use a secure template to create a button, then set it's attributes to be the spell you wish to cast.`
`21:22.36`	`buu`	`Hrm.`
`21:23.27`	`Kirov`	`http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=35886005&sid=1 - some information here`
`21:24.00`	`buu`	`Is there some easy way to emulate the nifty drag and drop functionality of current action bars?`
`21:24.18`	`Kirov`	`Yes`
`21:24.31`	`Kirov`	`But not in combat, unless they're really action bars.`
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`21:25.16`	`buu`	`Huh.`
`21:25.52`	`Kirov`	`http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=50956831&sid=1`
`21:25.58`	`Kirov`	`http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=64187212&sid=1`
`21:26.39`	`bleetah`	`AnduinLothar: have you heard of people using the Cosmos patcher inside Cedega? Seems to hang for me when trying to select the WoW directory. Just a FYI, it doesn't really bother me at all ;-)`
`21:27.10`	`AnduinLothar`	`i haven't, no. fell free to post it ont he forums for Dormlock`
`21:27.35`	`bleetah`	`once I get some reasonable debug happening, will do`
`21:27.39`	`kremonte`	`how can i make a GameTooltip draggable :[`
`21:27.41`	`buu`	`In short, there's no way to make a lua script cast a spell, right?`
`21:28.00`	`AnduinLothar`	`kremonte: Gymnast`
`21:28.07`	`Kirov`	`buu - Spell casts are allowed out of combat, afaik.`
`21:28.12`	`buu`	`Hrmph.`
`21:28.27`	`Kirov`	`otherwise, spell casts are only allowed via secure frames`
`21:28.45`	`buu`	`And by that you mean secure frames only allow you to create buttons that receive hardware based onclick events?`
`21:28.52`	`kremonte`	`AnduinLothar: Gymnast being an embeddable ace library?`
`21:29.01`	`AnduinLothar`	`lol. no`
`21:29.06`	`kremonte`	`:-(`
`21:29.15`	`AnduinLothar`	`it's an addon`
`21:29.33`	`Kirov`	`buu - secure frames can be anything.`
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`21:29.45`	`Mikma`	`Kirov: daddy?`
`21:29.47`	`AnduinLothar`	`and it requires an addon, because the GameTooltip is repositioned more than a bad hooker`
`21:29.48`	`kremonte`	`i'm making dynamic frames and i just want to register them to be moving ><`
`21:29.59`	`kremonte`	`i'm not using GameTooltip itself, i'm making other tooltips`
`21:30.04`	`Kirov`	`Mikma - SecureDaddyTemplate`
`21:30.11`	`Mikma`	`Kirov: \o/`
`21:30.16`	`kremonte`	`local iftt = CreateFrame("GameTooltip", "ItemFakeTooltip" .. i, UIParent, "GameTooltipTemplate")`
`21:30.37`	`AnduinLothar`	`then you'll have to write your own dragging code or copy someone elses`
`21:30.47`	`Kirov`	`kremonte - you want something like the ItemRef Tooltip?`
`21:30.52`	`kremonte`	`Kirov: YES`
`21:31.05`	`Kirov`	`kremonte - then inherit from that`
`21:31.06`	`Kirov`	`done`
`21:31.06`	`buu`	`Kirov: What I mean is, I want to cast a series of spells in a row.`
`21:31.15`	`kremonte`	`itemreftooltip is virtual? :X`
`21:31.50`	`Kirov`	`kremonte - I believe you can inherit from non-virtual frames`
`21:31.56`	`kremonte`	`just tried, no dice`
`21:32.11`	`kremonte`	`couldn't find inherited node "ItemRefTooltip"`
`21:32.35`	`kremonte`	`hm, isnt there an itemref tt xml file in framexml?`
`21:32.42`	`kremonte`	`i spose i could go scavenge that`
`21:32.45`	`Kirov`	`yeah`
`21:32.52`	`Kirov`	`go lua-ize it`
`21:33.02`	`kremonte`	`indubitably`
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`21:33.07`	`kremonte`	`XML is the devil ;-;`
`21:33.21`	`Kirov`	`I thought that was George W. Bush`
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`21:33.57`	`kremonte`	`no, he's just a moron with political power`
`21:34.15`	`buu`	`Kirov: So there's no way to do this?`
`21:34.50`	`obelus`	`can i borrow 70k honor from someone?`
`21:34.50`	`obelus`	`thx`
`21:34.51`	`Kirov`	`buu - sorry, got side tracked. You want to be able to click a single button and cast a spell, click it again cast another spell, etc.?`
`21:34.51`	`buu`	`No`
`21:34.54`	`krka`	`anyone know of a web browser with a _true_ fullscreen mode?`
`21:34.59`	`buu`	`I want to have it automatically cast multiple spells.`
`21:35.06`	`krka`	`i tried epiphany and galeon and they dont seem to ahve it`
`21:35.12`	`kremonte`	`any way to do enableMouse via CreateFrame?`
`21:35.16`	`Kirov`	`buu - Oh, not possible in WoW, never has been, never will be.`
`21:35.17`	`buu`	`=[`
`21:35.20`	`buu`	`Silly wow.`
`21:35.30`	`Kirov`	`kremonte - frame:EnableMouse(1)`
`21:35.36`	`kremonte`	`arigato`
`21:35.52`	`buu`	`Kirov: That sort of restriction seems a tad silly.`
`21:36.21`	`Mikma`	`no, it doesn't. it's bot-prevention`
`21:36.40`	`Kirov`	`buu - Every spell cast, item use, etc. requires a single hardware event (with some minor exceptions)`
`21:36.58`	`buu`	`Mikma: Well, what kind of bot can you really make with the ability to cast a series of spell with one click?`
`21:37.02`	`Mikma`	`minor exception as blizzard signed code :D`
`21:37.10`	`zenzelezz`	`farm bot`
`21:37.11`	`buu`	`If you start applying logic and lua and stuff to it, I can see possible abuse.`
`21:37.16`	`zenzelezz`	`pow, you dead`
`21:37.17`	`Kirov`	`buu - exactly`
`21:37.27`	`buu`	`zenzelezz: You'd have to be able to target things.. and move.. and so forth.`
`21:37.40`	`zenzelezz`	`and once upon a time you werer`
`21:37.46`	`zenzelezz`	`but it was abused, so now you can't`
`21:37.56`	`buu`	`I suppose if you could taget things, you could just sit in a field and constantly attempt to target and stuff.`
`21:37.58`	`zenzelezz`	`don't think it's been protected just out of nowhere`
`21:38.08`	`buu`	`zenzelezz: Well, it makes sense to be protected from lua`
`21:38.12`	`buu`	`But how about the macros?`
`21:38.36`	`zenzelezz`	`can't you call macros from lua?`
`21:38.39`	`Kirov`	`buu - the secure frames and many of the other secure parts of the API exist because people could at one point make scripts that would play the game for them with just a keyboard that was set to repeat a single button constantly.`
`21:39.05`	`Kirov`	`buu - macros have no ability to "wait"`
`21:39.22`	`Kirov`	`If you cast a spell in a macro, it attempts to cast then and only then. If it can't cast, it fails.`
`21:39.30`	`buu`	`=/`
`21:39.32`	`buu`	`I know.`
`21:40.02`	`Kirov`	`And a cast from a macro is identical to any other cast, it still requires a hardware event.`
`21:40.55`	`buu`	`Yes`
`21:41.11`	`buu`	`I guess I'll just use castsequences`
`21:41.52`	`Kirov`	`yeah, that's basically as good as you get`
`21:42.11`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`yes, it's sad that blizzard makes you actually play the game`
`21:42.38`	`Kirov`	`those bastards`
`21:43.03`	`buu`	`Neuro_Medivh: It's a little depressing when you think that we've all wasted billions of years doing things that can be automated be 10 line lua scripts`
`21:43.30`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`how is that depressing?`
`21:43.40`	`bleetah`	`the key words there being 'depressing' and 'automated'`
`21:43.40`	`zenzelezz`	`why don't they just add a "Roll level 70 with full epics" button, then you don't have to any of your work`
`21:44.01`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Progressquest ftw`
`21:47.05`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`My lvl 1 Gyrognome Battle-Felon just started`
`21:47.35`	`Kirov`	`zenzelezz - that's called GuildWars`
`21:54.51`	`Qshadowp`	`i can understand why blizzard added level 70 though`
`21:55.04`	`Tain`	`Yeah, people like bigger numbers.`
`21:55.06`	`Qshadowp`	`i mean they've added so many level 60 instances, people where getting bored`
`21:55.07`	`Qshadowp`	`:P`
`21:55.33`	`TC_Working`	`60 seems kinda arbitrary anyways`
`21:55.51`	`TC_Working`	`Arbitrary*`
`21:55.57`	`kremonte`	`i crashed wow ; ;`
`21:56.05`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`it should be 99 maxium like all rpg's`
`21:56.06`	`kremonte`	`i'm sad now`
`21:56.19`	`zenzelezz`	`nonsense, should be 220 like AO`
`21:56.24`	`Qshadowp`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u no it shouldnt`
`21:56.24`	`kremonte`	`75 like FFXI imo`
`21:56.27`	`Qshadowp`	`it should be 255.`
`21:56.28`	`obelus`	`ONE BILLION`
`21:56.29`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`no limit!`
`21:56.35`	`kremonte`	`it should be OVER NINE THOUSAND`
`21:56.37`	`obelus`	`haha`
`21:56.38`	`kremonte`	`knew that was coming didnt you`
`21:56.39`	`Qshadowp`	`lol`
`21:56.42`	`Qshadowp`	`over nine thousand ftw`
`21:56.49`	`TC_Working`	`well wow got it from EQ which had it at 60, but even then it seems to be from someones ass`
`21:56.50`	`bleetah`	`meh, max level should be ∞`
`21:56.59`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`70 is fts`
`21:57.10`	`kremonte`	`MMOs need limits`
`21:57.41`	`TC_Working`	`ofc mmos need limits...but limits that make sense are good`
`21:57.44`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`would be fun whitout a limit on a pvp server`
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`21:57.55`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`then u either get wiped or u can uber strong`
`21:57.59`	`kremonte`	`why doesnt 60 make sense>?`
`21:58.06`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`thne u cna raid undercity alone`
`21:58.56`	`TC_Working`	`look at it the other way...why does 60 make sense?`
`21:59.02`	`PProvost`	`Ultimately this is a game and to be a game you have to have a system of things that work together. Level caps, money sinks, inflation control, population control, etc. are all part of it.`
`21:59.20`	`kremonte`	`TC_Working: why does 99 make more sense than 60? because it's the last 2 digit number?`
`21:59.34`	`kremonte`	`that's not a very based sense of logic :P`
`21:59.36`	`TC_Working`	`i didnt say 99`
`21:59.46`	`TC_Working`	`when did i say 99?`
`21:59.47`	`kremonte`	`60 makes as much sense as any number, imo`
`21:59.54`	`PProvost`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u said 99`
`21:59.58`	`Kirov`	`Personally I think level 231 makes the most logical sense as the max`
`22:00.02`	`PProvost`	`"like all RPG's"`
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`22:00.09`	`kremonte`	`not all RPGs have 99 max`
`22:00.19`	`kremonte`	`not nearly all, especially MMOs`
`22:00.26`	`TC_Working`	`thats my point, 60 doesnt have a good reason behind it. and a number with a well thought out reason behind it would be good.`
`22:00.27`	`PProvost`	`"Everyone" knows it should be the largest 3 digit prime number...`
`22:00.39`	`bleetah`	`∞`
`22:00.41`	`PProvost`	`60 is well thought out`
`22:00.50`	`kremonte`	`a number is a number`
`22:00.56`	`kremonte`	`you can justify any number, really :p`
`22:01.19`	`TC_Working`	`ok PProvost, what are some of the reasons behind 60?`
`22:01.47`	`PProvost`	`It is a system. The raids, BGs, quests, etc are all designed to work at that level.`
`22:01.49`	`Tain`	`60 makes sense because EverQuest went up to 60, so they had to make it look like you could be as powerful.`
`22:02.20`	`Tain`	`It's a completely arbitrary number of course.`
`22:02.20`	`PProvost`	`If you made the system cap at 99, then you would have to add mroe content for all of that leveling.`
`22:02.20`	`Tain`	`But 60 is a marketing decision.`
`22:02.20`	`PProvost`	`1/2 marketing, 1/2 engineering/design`
`22:02.26`	`TC_Working`	`kremonte, i mean for example, the dev's of a game sat down and thought out ok, it will take X to to lvl on a graded scale, we want ppl to play for Y ammount of time, our new lvl should then be Z`
`22:02.29`	`Tain`	`Well no, you can engineer and design around any number.`
`22:02.30`	`bleetah`	`PProvost: you could just increase the XP gain`
`22:02.41`	`TC_Working`	`err..max lvl*`
`22:02.43`	`kremonte`	`i really don't think the cap is that important of a number`
`22:02.47`	`Tain`	`You design for 60 because you chose 60, you don't choose 60 because it is easier to design for.`
`22:02.51`	`kremonte`	`no matter what, the levelling would be balanced on the speed of getting to it`
`22:02.54`	`PProvost`	`What is the point of this?`
`22:03.01`	`Tain`	`There is no point.`
`22:03.09`	`PProvost`	`okay... just checking`
`22:03.09`	`zenzelezz`	`how do you know that for sure Tain? Did they every say it didn't make sense to them?`
`22:03.14`	`TC_Working`	`no point, fun debate`
`22:03.21`	`Tain`	`It makes sense to me because it makes sense to me.`
`22:03.22`	`PProvost`	`Tain, if that were true then 10 would work too. And it doesn't`
`22:03.32`	`TC_Working`	`well, thats a mental thing`
`22:03.35`	`Kirov`	`10 would work`
`22:03.37`	`Tain`	`10 doesn't work because people think 10 is lower than 60.`
`22:03.50`	`PProvost`	`It needs to be big enough to allow the creation of enough content. And small enough to be manageable from an engineering/design perspective.`
`22:03.54`	`Kirov`	`60 is a good number because it's not less than 50`
`22:03.57`	`zenzelezz`	`10 wouldn't work because it would take too long to reach level 2 and people wouldn't like that`
`22:04.03`	`zenzelezz`	`you'd feel you weren't progressing`
`22:04.04`	`PProvost`	`EXACTLY`
`22:04.04`	`Tain`	`It doesn't matter that you could design the game from a technical perspective to be exactly the same. It's all about perception.`
`22:04.43`	`TC_Working`	`right, but none of that puts 60 as an ideal number, just better than everything below it`
`22:05.12`	`PProvost`	`Consider 10, consider something in the 50-60 range and consider 256. Which works best? Talk it through.`
`22:05.12`	`kremonte`	`if its too close to 100, people would think it to be very high. it's close to 50, the middle, but above it, so it seems li ke a challenge`
`22:05.18`	`Kirov`	`60 may have been come up with because they wanted a particular arc to the time it took to level, and wanted a particular amount of time to take to get to the max level.`
`22:05.19`	`PProvost`	`I assure you the EQ folks didn't just "wing it"`
`22:05.23`	`Tain`	`It isn't an idea number, it is just a number that is easy for people to accept because of what has come before it.`
`22:05.30`	`kremonte`	`plus, lots of people favor the number 3, and 60 is reminiscent of 3 - 30 is too low, 60 is just right, imo`
`22:05.32`	`PProvost`	`So lets talk about EQ then`
`22:05.38`	`Tain`	`EQ chose 50 because the MUDs that EQ was based on went to 50.`
`22:05.46`	`PProvost`	`Keep going back.`
`22:05.49`	`PProvost`	`Where did 50 come from?`
`22:06.03`	`Tain`	`It doesn't matter.`
`22:06.14`	`Kirov`	`It came from some guy going "meh, 50 works"`
`22:06.30`	`Tain`	`All that matters is games are curently focusing around that 50-60 level because it is what gamers expect..`
`22:06.42`	`Tain`	`Anarchy Online went to 200 and people couldn't get their head around it.`
`22:07.00`	`Tain`	`Dungeons and Dragons Online went to 10 (dunno if it was raised to 20 yet) and people didn't like that.`
`22:07.11`	`bleetah`	`So, next XPac... cap raised to 80? discuss.`
`22:07.17`	`TC_Working`	`but D&D is at least being semi-true to form`
`22:07.33`	`Tain`	`Yes if DDO had tried to go higher it would be an instant failure.`
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`22:08.05`	`Tain`	`And I don't thinkthe cap will raise to 80 anytime soon.`
`22:08.28`	`bleetah`	`if that's Blizz's version of Soon(TM), i might just happen ;-)`
`22:08.29`	`Tain`	`That's still outside the current comfort zone of arbitrary level numbers. It will be a few years, if at all in WoW.`
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`22:09.38`	`TC_Working`	`i doubt 80 will be viable, becuase the ammount of time blizz would wait till they put in another expac for 80 would be around the time they need to upgrade the games graphics engince to compete with the rest`
`22:09.49`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`welp`
`22:09.56`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i made about 50g leveling herbalism`
`22:09.59`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`so far`
`22:10.09`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`about 1/3 of my herbs sold so far from what i was leveling`
`22:10.10`	`bleetah`	`grats`
`22:10.31`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i remember losing money leveling leatherworking :p`
`22:10.50`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`if i recall correctly, they once said that the WoW levels corresponded with the WC3 levels x 10`
`22:10.55`	`bleetah`	`TC_Working: I'll agree with you there. The engine's starting to look very.. old and clunky`
`22:11.26`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i'd have to disagree`
`22:11.33`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i think wow looks better than EQ2 by far`
`22:11.48`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`EQ2 has that same "ugly ass plastic" layer that so many games have these days`
`22:12.21`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`it's like they just imported the models from bryce's freebies`
`22:12.21`	`kremonte`	`lol, so true`
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`22:12.31`	`kremonte`	`first thing i thought when i saw the first screenshots... "bryce render?"`
`22:12.54`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`EQ2 models are close to tripping into the uncanny valley`
`22:12.54`	`bleetah`	`ahh bryce, those were the days`
`22:13.05`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i think WoW looks almost exactly like warcraft 3 in higher res`
`22:13.08`	`TC_Working`	`those days aint over yet Bleeter`
`22:13.13`	`TC_Working`	`bleetah*`
`22:13.33`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`making wow look more realistic would remove most everything artistic about it`
`22:13.46`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i wasnt' happy when they changed the ogres`
`22:13.48`	`zenzelezz`	`first thing I saw when I loaded EQ2 was graphical problems`
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`22:14.12`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`i don't remember what the old ogres looked like`
`22:14.17`	`TC_Working`	`first thing i see when i load games is the logo`
`22:14.22`	`bleetah`	`TC_Working: it was more of a lament back to the very early days of home computing graphics. 256 color was hawt, and 4096 was off the show`
`22:14.27`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`WoW's real graphical amazement is the animations`
`22:14.31`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`they're so freaking smooth`
`22:14.45`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`WoW looks so much better in motion`
`22:14.58`	`zenzelezz`	`and they have animations for everything`
`22:15.00`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`EQ2 looks good in screens and that's it`
`22:15.24`	`TC_Working`	`ah, well i never did home computing graphics way back in the day`
`22:15.52`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`plus we don't have furries`
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`22:16.07`	`bleetah`	`wrote a wireframe 3d animator in 6502 assembler, fired the video recorder remote when the frame finished. took 12 hours to record two seconds at 12fps`
`22:16.18`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`we have taurens but they don't count because minotaurs existed before furries`
`22:16.29`	`bleetah`	`people today dunno how lucky they are ;-)`
`22:17.13`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`woopsies`
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`22:17.22`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`put mageroyal on the Ah for 50g and 60g buyout`
`22:17.37`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i miss auctioneer`
`22:18.23`	`bleetah`	`Mr_Rabies2: auctioneer beta's kicking along fine ;)`
`22:18.23`	`zenzelezz`	`yeah, what bleetah said`
`22:18.23`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`however i don't miss having like 100+MB of RAM being used by addons`
`22:18.24`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`guess i can make an auction char`
`22:18.24`	`wereHamster`	`does select(x,...) impose any significant overhead over using local variables? (eg. local foo = select(X,...);) ?`
`22:18.48`	`End`	`not much I'd imagine`
`22:19.06`	`End`	`hmm`
`22:19.24`	`foxlit`	`It's insignificant if you don't use it much; local vars would probably make more sense if you had more calls to the same select.`
`22:19.26`	`End`	`well, now that I think about it, it returns xth, x+1th, x+2th, etc`
`22:19.27`	`bleetah`	`norgs came up with a method to reduce auctioneer's memory load... but Blizz canned it`
`22:19.39`	`bleetah`	`so he's now looking at another method`
`22:19.42`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`how's that, bleetah`
`22:20.54`	`bleetah`	`was something about splitting realm specific data out of the character info, or somesuch. he was pretty vague about what he planned, apart from 'Blizz has said no'`
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`22:23.51`	`foxlit`	`savedvariablesperrealm?`
`22:26.47`	`wereHamster`	`does arg1..9 still exist?`
`22:27.12`	`Kirov`	`Yes`
`22:27.32`	`Kirov`	`They exist as both the globals and are passed as vars to the script handler's event`
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`22:28.28`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`most exciting event today is becks coming to LA!`
`22:28.36`	`wereHamster`	`I'm looking at code that uses both argX and ...`
`22:29.17`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`ugh`
`22:29.21`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`one thing they NEED to fix`
`22:29.28`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`is the backdrop on stormwind keep`
`22:29.34`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`what is that, i mean honestly`
`22:29.41`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`it's like something out of quake 2`
`22:31.05`	`bleetah`	`still beats me why mining a node has 0% chance of dropping flint... but moving on`
`22:32.05`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`http://gaming.monstersandcritics.com/pc/news/article_1242325.php/World_of_Warcraft_passes_the_8_million_player_mark`
`22:33.31`	`foxlit`	`wow.com too`
`22:37.21`	`bleetah`	`ooh, reading their press release, there's no players in Oceania`
`22:37.25`	`bleetah`	`I don't exist! woot!`
`22:37.41`	`bleetah`	`how they're managing to charge my CC if I don't exist... no idea.`
`22:38.14`	`bleetah`	`oh, I do exist... I'm down in para ... 3`
`22:38.49`	`bleetah`	`interesting reading the numbers, tho, non-EU/US/China = 1million players by themselves`
`22:39.13`	`kahdgarxi`	`bleetah - or the 'over' part`
`22:39.28`	`bleetah`	`yeah, just noticed that bit too... shrug`
`22:39.31`	`Kirov`	`bleetah - Remember, you're the "other" check box.`
`22:40.14`	`bleetah`	`still, is a reasonable argument for basing oceanic realms in Singapore`
`22:40.43`	`bleetah`	`PvP is pathetic when it's impossible to get latency below 400ms`
`22:41.04`	`bleetah`	`and results in many 'this game teh suxor' comment`
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`22:41.45`	`Kirov`	`We Americans think of Australia as a place of magic and hot chicks, and New Zealand as sheep and Peter Jackson, everything else is "some part of asias, probably China"`
`22:42.03`	`PProvost`	`Is that incorrect?`
`22:42.13`	`bleetah`	`We Australians think of America as that place of 50% idiots ... ;-)`
`22:42.23`	`bleetah`	`(see previous convo.. or for the sake of your own sanity.. don't)`
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`22:42.52`	`End`	`bleetah: you're probably right though`
`22:42.53`	`Kirov`	`bleetah - You aussies have a much higher view of our society than we do.`
`22:43.26`	`bleetah`	`Kirov: no we don't. you clearly don't understand the 'seppo' tag we give people from US of A`
`22:43.56`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`bleetah: 51%`
`22:44.07`	`Kirov`	`As far as I can tell there are two major groups of people in the US. People who think the other 50% of the US are idiots, and people anyone not from their state are idiots.`
`22:44.24`	`Kirov`	`(and their state is 90% of the US population)`
`22:44.56`	`AnduinLothar`	`stupid people are 90% of the population?`
`22:45.20`	`Kirov`	`AnduinLothar - probably closer to 98%`
`22:45.47`	`Kirov`	`When I was in school I tested in to the top 5% ... and I know I'm an idiot.`
`22:46.18`	`bleetah`	`Kirov: same`
`22:46.27`	`Kirov`	`Though, I guess the smarter you are, the more of an idiot you know yourself to be.`
`22:46.34`	`bleetah`	`although, moron is more applicable in my case`
`22:47.06`	`AnduinLothar`	`depending on where you live, being smart can be a dissability`
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`22:47.45`	`Kirov`	`AnduinLothar - Yeah, like if you're female.`
`22:47.54`	`AnduinLothar`	`>.<`
`22:49.13`	`Kirov`	`Dumb girls piss me off.`
`22:49.21`	`Kirov`	`Dumb people in general really.`
`22:49.38`	`Kirov`	`I don't care how cute you are, if you're an idiot go away.`
`22:49.40`	`End`	`I don't mind dumb people until they talk`
`22:50.15`	`kremonte`	`i don't mind when people ask questions. except when dumb people ask questions. they say there's no such thing as a stupid question, but asking why X to the person that just explained X to you is a damn stupid question`
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`22:50.59`	`End`	`speaking of which....`
`22:51.07`	`End`	`here's Cairenn!`
`22:51.25`	`kremonte`	`Cairenn is using the internet.`
`22:51.31`	`End`	`teh interweb`
`22:51.43`	`bleetah`	`kremonte: I'd argue that maybe it's because you gave a stupid answer to X (ie, one in a form you were too stupid to check they'd understand), hence they asked again.`
`22:52.19`	`kremonte`	`bleetah: i'm talking about "X is X because of Y", then stupid person asking "why is X, X?"`
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`22:52.32`	`kremonte`	`(which usually goes onto "X is X because of Y", and then stupid person saying "ah, i understand now")`
`22:53.01`	`End`	`so really you just need to repeat yoursel? :P`
`22:53.08`	`End`	`-then- they actually read it?`
`22:53.23`	`AnduinLothar`	`im ok with dumb people as long as they can follow directions`
`22:53.27`	`kremonte`	`pretty much. people being in complete doubt until someone says "listen"`
`22:53.57`	`bleetah`	`ah, right, i follow you now. yeah, annoying`
`22:54.00`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge JoshBorke (n=Josh@r35h14.res.gatech.edu)`
`22:54.53`	`End`	`oh`
`22:55.01`	`End`	`nowonderthiskeyboardwasn'tbeingused`
`22:55.07`	`End`	`stupidspacebar`
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`22:55.16`	`bleetah`	`my personal peeve are arguments ad hominem ... actually, it's pretty much anything on http://www.xenu.net/archive/baloney_detection.html`
`22:55.24`	`kahdgarxi`	`rofl @ end`
`22:56.10`	`kremonte`	`bleetah: "X is Y!" "no, you are a loser!"`
`22:56.17`	`kremonte`	`don't you love the internet?`
`22:56.20`	`kremonte`	`and life?`
`22:56.24`	`kremonte`	`...and people?`
`22:56.27`	`End`	`well, I kinda fixedit`
`22:56.41`	`End`	`ok,I'm going back to my old keyboard`
`22:56.55`	`End`	`I have to press spacebar -really- hard`
`22:57.05`	`bleetah`	`(President Eisenhower expressing astonishment and alarm on discovering that fully half of all Americans have below average intelligence!)`
`22:57.16`	`kahdgarxi`	`ROFL`
`22:57.49`	`bleetah`	`I guess that makes ol' Eisenhower... stupid?`
`22:58.57`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`what does 2.03 do with the g15`
`22:59.18`	`bleetah`	`well, previously, you'd get a crappy stats screen. now, there's melee, ranged, spell stats screens`
`22:59.26`	`Kirov`	`Mr_Rabies2 - the G15 explodes`
`22:59.44`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`<@CasualAffair> awesome my expansion came in the mail today`
`22:59.45`	`bleetah`	`plus the usual BG and Relam queue lengths, and whisper notifications`
`22:59.46`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`:O`
`23:00.28`	`bleetah`	`gah, it doesn't help my spleegni though`
`23:00.29`	`End`	`well, he can't play it anyways`
`23:01.01`	`End`	`(at least, I'd be surprised if it let him enter the code before the "release date"`
`23:01.02`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`he won some contest or something`
`23:01.07`	`End`	`ah`
`23:01.17`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`hes got the CE`
`23:01.24`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`in his hands`
`23:01.30`	`End`	`neat`
`23:01.44`	`bleetah`	`Which timezone does the 'midnight' start happen at?`
`23:01.55`	`kremonte`	`est`
`23:01.56`	`JoshBorke`	`EST`
`23:01.58`	`End`	`probably eastern`
`23:02.07`	`JoshBorke`	`cause that's where all the cool people are :-)`
`23:02.14`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`sho'nuff`
`23:02.20`	`bleetah`	`no, the cool people are a good 18+ hours ahead of you :P`
`23:02.26`	`JoshBorke`	`lol`
`23:02.36`	`JoshBorke`	`poor PST people, have to wait 3 hours after the EST people`
`23:02.39`	`bleetah`	`so I'm just trying to decide whether it'll be worth going to the midnight store opening`
`23:02.46`	`bleetah`	`or whether I should just sleep`
`23:02.48`	`sysrage`	`is there a better mod than partyquests which lets you see the quest progress of people in your party?`
`23:03.07`	`AnduinLothar`	`it's the only one afaik`
`23:03.32`	`sysrage`	`okie. thanks`
`23:05.40`	`wereHamster`	`does '#select(X,...) > 0' work?`
`23:07.05`	`End`	`wereHamster: don't think so...what are you trying to do?`
`23:08.01`	`wereHamster`	`seems to work :)`
`23:08.21`	`End`	`well`
`23:08.31`	`End`	`if you did > 1, it wouldn't work`
`23:08.50`	`wereHamster`	`why?`
`23:09.19`	`wereHamster`	`lua -e 'function foo(...) print(#select(1, ...)) end foo("asdf")'`
`23:09.23`	`wereHamster`	`prints '4'`
`23:09.40`	`End`	`oh, I see`
`23:09.48`	`End`	`I thought you wanted something else`
`23:10.08`	`End`	`like, I said, what are you trying to do?`
`23:10.22`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`http://www.resursadefun.ro/gi37_Verizon.htm`
`23:10.50`	`wereHamster`	`End, return #select(4, ...) > 0 and module:Call("T", select(4, ...))`
`23:11.34`	`bleetah`	`Tierrie\|Work: ow! lol`
`23:12.12`	`End`	`wereHamster: that doesn't tell me your intent very much though :P`
`23:12.24`	`End`	`I can only assume what it does is what you want`
`23:12.39`	`Tierrie\|Work`	`bleetah: :D`
`23:13.51`	`End`	`hmm`
`23:13.54`	`wereHamster`	`End, I don't like if/then ;)`
`23:13.57`	`dukeku`	`highway to the raider zone`
`23:14.14`	`wereHamster`	`.. and standalone return's`
`23:14.24`	`wereHamster`	`so I combined it into one line`
`23:14.39`	`End`	`the only way #select(4, ...) > 0 is false is if you pass {} or "" as the fourth arg`
`23:15.16`	`End`	`(and nil will cause an error)`
`23:15.32`	`wereHamster`	`in UNIT_SPELLCAST_SENT, arg4 is never nil, right?`
`23:15.41`	`End`	`I have no idea`
`23:15.49`	`wereHamster`	`and empty if the spell doesn't have a target`
`23:15.54`	`wereHamster`	`empty == ""`
`23:16.13`	`End`	`see, now I know what you are doing now ;p`
`23:16.23`	`zenzelezz`	`do you now?`
`23:16.28`	`End`	`well, kinda`
`23:16.49`	`End`	`and kinda is all that counts ;p`
`23:17.05`	`End`	`now now I know what you are doing now now`
`23:17.30`	`wereHamster`	`now are you now really now sure?`
`23:18.18`	`End`	`now now now I might now now now be sure about now now now`
`23:18.41`	`wereHamster`	`ah now I see`
`23:19.04`	`End`	`now now now now ...`
`23:19.43`	`End`	`now looks like a really weird word to me now`
`23:19.50`	`End`	`nooooooooowww`
`23:20.47`	`zenzelezz`	`I don't like "error"`
`23:20.51`	`zenzelezz`	`so clumsy to pronounce`
`23:21.09`	`End`	`hmm`
`23:21.10`	`Kirov`	`sayz the guy named zenzelezz`
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`23:21.34`	`zenzelezz`	`Kirov: your point is valid, and I agree, but I've used the nick for too long to spell it properly now`
`23:21.37`	`End`	`Kirov: that zentenze needz more z`
`23:22.14`	`Kirov`	`End - Iz agreezz completeliez`
`23:22.31`	`zenzelezz`	`thankfully my character name isn't as bad =)`
`23:22.43`	`End`	`What iz your character name?`
`23:22.51`	`zenzelezz`	`Zenzio`
`23:22.57`	`zenzelezz`	`friends abbreviated my nick to that long ago`
`23:22.59`	`Kirov`	`That's better?`
`23:23.17`	`End`	`I zee. I've zeen you login az that nick on here before.`
`23:23.35`	`zenzelezz`	`yup, when I'm at another computer`
`23:23.44`	`wereHamster`	`I once (I was about 10 and didn't know the english language very well) misspelled 'no' and wrote 'now' instead, and it made perfectly sense! I'll never forget that moment`
`23:23.53`	`[Cu]Werik`	`;) Blizzard removed JoinBattlefield()`
`23:24.35`	`End`	`I rememeber when there waz that WZG exploit that would teleport you.`
`23:25.11`	`End`	`(I think it waz an API call too)`
`23:28.38`	`kahdgarxi`	`End - no s button?`
`23:30.09`	`Oree`	`z button?`
`23:30.35`	`zenzelezz`	`kahdgarxi: read a little further up =) It spawned from a mockery of my nick :)`
`23:30.50`	`kahdgarxi`	`zenzelezz - ah`
`23:31.33`	`End`	`zenzelezz haz a very zilly nick`
`23:31.39`	`End`	`:P`
`23:32.18`	`dukeku`	`HELLO COMPADRES`
`23:32.27`	`zenzelezz`	`I'm not going to try to defend the spelling, it seemed cool back when I first started using it (must be eight years ago soon)`
`23:32.57`	`End`	`I didn't say it was bad`
`23:32.58`	`zenzelezz`	`I've since regretted it, but like I said, I'm keeping it just because everyone knows me by this one =)`
`23:33.01`	`End`	`just "zilly" :P`
`23:33.04`	`zenzelezz`	`oh, it is`
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`23:37.30`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`running around winterspring on the hunt for black lotus is pretty fun`
`23:37.45`	`zenzelezz`	`do they spawn often there?`
`23:37.55`	`foxlit`	`What's the blacklotus of BC?`
`23:37.57`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`not really often`
`23:38.01`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`dunno fox`
`23:38.04`	`foxlit`	`Thought there's 1 / zone / 60 minutes`
`23:38.06`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`there can only be 1 lotus per zone its in`
`23:38.10`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`yeah`
`23:38.16`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`10 spawn spots`
`23:38.20`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`per zone`
`23:38.21`	`zenzelezz`	`I've never hunted them there, but I've had luck in EPL`
`23:38.23`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`in 4 zones`
`23:38.41`	`zenzelezz`	`where there's also lots of Plaguebloom, Dreamfoil, Golden Sansam (which sell)`
`23:38.51`	`foxlit`	`Any reason why my experimental data on Pa-234m decay would indicate a 90s half-life, and not 70s? :)`
`23:39.02`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`icecap are ALL over winterspring,`
`23:39.03`	`foxlit`	`EPL is overfarmed, really`
`23:39.12`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`and as i was typing that i leapt off the bridge in winterspring`
`23:39.25`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`had about 8 seconds of air`
`23:39.28`	`foxlit`	`Dreamfoil for greater protection pots was painful in epl`
`23:39.45`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`dreamfoil's ALL over azshara`
`23:39.47`	`foxlit`	`I once slow-fell into that chasm.`
`23:39.58`	`foxlit`	`BEFORE I knew about the giants :/`
`23:40.16`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i got like, 50 dreamfoil in no time in azshara`
`23:41.17`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`so what's the horde doing to cap from 30 yards away in AV now?`
`23:43.09`	`CrazyMYKL`	`quick question: how do i put newlines in strings?`
`23:43.50`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Gnarfoz_ (i=smallbra@unaffiliated/gnarfoz)`
`23:44.01`	`CrazyMYKL`	`i should say: how do i put newlines in string literals`
`23:44.02`	`CrazyMYKL`	`?`
`23:44.59`	`kahdgarxi`	`\n`
`23:45.48`	`CrazyMYKL`	`ah, just like C and friends, thanks`
`23:45.56`	`bleetah`	`Mr_Rabies2: dunno, i see lotsa people screming in the forums about it, tho`
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`23:50.02`	`kahdgarxi`	`at least that's what the lua manual says :P`
`23:53.03`	`dukeku`	`i am the lua manual`
`23:54.45`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`your mom's the lua manual`
`23:55.07`	`Industrial`	`http://xkcd.com/`
`23:55.12`	`Industrial`	`heheh that latest strip is great`
`23:55.37`	`Industrial`	`damn good webcomics, they make me start at the first one and red it all :(`
`23:55.47`	`Industrial`	`so time consuming`
`23:57.28`	`dukeku`	`Mr_Rabies2: wow lets not jump to conclusions here`
`23:58.34`	`zenzelezz`	`you make me miss [Your Mom Is The Immovable Object] :-(`
`23:59.02`	`Industrial`	`zenzelezz: lol`
`23:59.21`	`sysrage`	`ctraid is blocking my macro to eat/drink.. is there a fix?`
`23:59.34`	`dukeku`	`paris hilton's cum stained felheart pants`
`23:59.41`	`sysrage`	`maybe i'll try the ora2 thing`

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