| 00:00.28 | bleetah | "I'm not a violent and deadly toon, I'm just macro'd that way" |
| 00:00.29 | kahdgarxi | any movie with christopher lloyd owns |
| 00:01.13 | Kirov | The babe in Weird Science could of been played by Christopher Lloyd and it'd of ruled. |
| 00:01.22 | Tain | ah |
| 00:01.26 | bleetah | kahdgarxi: true, unless Bruce Campbell is on in the theater next door, then I'll take Bruce instead |
| 00:01.36 | Tain | There's something to be said for Kelly LeBrock no matter what. |
| 00:01.40 | TheStig | Kirov: it'd have bene better if h did |
| 00:01.46 | TheStig | he* |
| 00:02.05 | Kirov | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Af1OxkFOK18 - bruce cambell |
| 00:02.29 | Kirov | I have a signed picture of him as Ash on my cubical wall atm |
| 00:02.30 | kergoth | i think the chick in the short lived weird science tv series was hotter than lebrock, personally |
| 00:02.34 | JoshBorke | anyone been to ST? |
| 00:02.35 | Tain | Speaking of which, I have Army of Darkness on HD-DVD. |
| 00:02.40 | JoshBorke | since the patch that is |
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| 00:02.47 | Tain | Well LeBrock hit the wall fast. But she was hot then. |
| 00:02.57 | TheStig | is your last name really Borke? |
| 00:03.01 | JoshBorke | no |
| 00:03.21 | Tain | Also on a completely unrelated to anything note, gmail for my own domain is freakin' sweet. |
| 00:03.51 | kergoth | vanessa angel, the chick from the series, was in that bowling movie.. whats it called.. |
| 00:03.54 | kergoth | Kingpin |
| 00:04.01 | Tain | Ah right. She is hot. |
| 00:04.10 | Xolan_ | Army of Darkness ftw :P Love that movie. |
| 00:04.11 | Tain | She can get me a beer out of a cold fridge any day. |
| 00:04.23 | kergoth | ~emulate ash |
| 00:04.29 | purl | Good? Bad? I'm the one with the gun. |
| 00:04.34 | Xolan_ | lol |
| 00:04.52 | Tain | Playing Doom with an Army of Darkness soundpack is still one of my fondest memories. |
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| 00:05.16 | Xolan_ | still haven't seen #1 or 2 though for some reason... |
| 00:05.32 | kergoth | me neither. i'm evil dead deprived |
| 00:05.34 | Kirov | #1 meh |
| 00:05.37 | Kirov | #2 awesome |
| 00:05.41 | kergoth | ~emulate ash |
| 00:05.42 | purl | right now, you are the ruler of jack and s*it... and jack left town |
| 00:05.47 | kergoth | ~botsnack |
| 00:05.47 | purl | kergoth: :) |
| 00:05.49 | SP|Sorren | hohoho, changing the realmslist on my beta client to the normal login servers seems to work |
| 00:05.57 | Tain | Evil Dead 1 was trying to be pure horror. 2 was a lot of horror too, but with a little more of Ash showing through. |
| 00:06.04 | Kirov | #2 is a remake of #1 but with out any of the pretenses of being serious |
| 00:06.15 | kahdgarxi | SP|Sorren - HAX |
| 00:06.16 | Xolan_ | #3 is just comedy :P |
| 00:06.23 | kahdgarxi | SP|Sorren - don't get banned :P |
| 00:06.37 | Tain | Are all people from the future loudmouthed braggarts? Just me baby. Just me. |
| 00:06.37 | Kirov | I love the hand in #2 |
| 00:06.42 | Xolan_ | first part awesome - once the skellies go about it kinda drops in quality. |
| 00:06.43 | kergoth | hehe |
| 00:07.09 | kergoth | i love the fight with the little ash's in army of darkness |
| 00:07.19 | Kirov | Xolan_ - true, but the Ash vs. Skeleton fight scenes are awesome _because_ they're so bad |
| 00:07.28 | kergoth | and when he's burying himself. "Hey you, whats that on your face? *throws dirt on his face*" |
| 00:07.34 | Xolan_ | hehe |
| 00:07.57 | Xolan_ | I love the three words part :P |
| 00:08.19 | Kirov | You know what that line is from, right? |
| 00:08.24 | Kirov | Like, originally what it's from |
| 00:08.25 | Tain | haha that's one of the best parts, kergoth |
| 00:08.33 | *** kick/#wowi-lounge [cladhaire!n=jnwhiteh@cpe-24-58-241-33.twcny.res.rr.com] by cladhaire (take that BITCH!) |
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| 00:08.41 | Xolan_ | nope, I do know the necronomicon is from teh Cthulu thingy though |
| 00:08.51 | Kirov | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0043456/ |
| 00:08.55 | Tain | Maybe I didn't say every little syllable. |
| 00:09.22 | Kirov | This is the first science fiction movie where the aliens weren't trying to destroy the world. |
| 00:09.33 | TheStig | i wish there was an addon that does what auctioneer does for posting muliple auctions simultaneously or auto stacking / unstacking to sell a specified quantity or a whole stacks worth of singles without having to actually run auctioneer |
| 00:09.45 | alcaras | Thestig: fence |
| 00:09.49 | TheStig | really? |
| 00:10.06 | alcaras | http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Fence |
| 00:10.06 | ZealotOnAStick | ~seen tuller |
| 00:10.16 | purl | tuller is currently on #wowi-lounge (6h 18m 3s) #wowace (6h 18m 3s). Has said a total of 14 messages. Is idling for 39s, last said: 'Thorgard: doing bindings as attributes seems to hate me'. |
| 00:10.16 | Tain | I can go through a whole stack of singles really quickly without running auctioneer. |
| 00:10.16 | Xolan_ | @Kirov: Klaatu was one of the words right? |
| 00:10.16 | bleetah | DTESS rocks |
| 00:10.18 | Kirov | The main character's name is Klaatu. "Klaatu barada nikto" is the saying |
| 00:10.32 | TheStig | i don't like manually stacking and unstacking things |
| 00:10.41 | bleetah | not to be confused with the (danish?) rock group called Klaatu |
| 00:10.43 | Tuller | ZealotOnAStick: ? |
| 00:11.00 | Kirov | bleetah - created because they were fans of this movie |
| 00:11.02 | Tain | I just let the stacked girls take my singles for me. |
| 00:11.09 | TheStig | lol |
| 00:11.11 | Xolan_ | Bah, now I gotta order the Evil Dead series >.< |
| 00:11.18 | bleetah | rofl Xolan_ |
| 00:11.23 | Kirov | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klaatu_barada_nikto |
| 00:11.54 | Mike-N-Go | Anyone know how the mana on multi-shot got adjusted? |
| 00:12.18 | ZealotOnAStick | Tuller: The minimap button doesn't want to stay gone. |
| 00:12.52 | Tuller | ZealotOnAStick: does in mine, but mine is more recent |
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| 00:13.01 | Xolan_ | hey, Lost Vikings used it too :) |
| 00:13.03 | Xolan_ | go Blizz! |
| 00:13.52 | ZealotOnAStick | Unchecked the box for it, it goes away. Logged out (to kill something else I didn't meant to enable) logged back in, it's there still, but the box is unchecked. |
| 00:13.59 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Tem (n=tardmrr@ip68-227-128-41.br.br.cox.net) |
| 00:14.01 | ZealotOnAStick | recheck and uncheck, gone again, but back on reload |
| 00:14.26 | sysrage | is there some reason why the search button keeps playing musical chairs? |
| 00:14.29 | Mike-N-Go | ZealotOnAStick: How about you disable that addon? |
| 00:15.31 | ZealotOnAStick | Disable bongos? |
| 00:15.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | man i wish i could set "At War" with old blancy |
| 00:16.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | i hate that damn horse |
| 00:18.17 | kahdgarxi | Mr_Rabies2 - yeah, he needs to di |
| 00:18.22 | kahdgarxi | s/di/sie |
| 00:18.26 | kahdgarxi | er... die* |
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| 00:20.23 | Tierrie|Work | you know what would be awesome is if someone coded lost vikings addon mod |
| 00:20.28 | Tierrie|Work | that lets you play lost vikings in game |
| 00:20.35 | kahdgarxi | lol |
| 00:20.48 | Tierrie|Work | blizzard will sue themselves for copyright |
| 00:20.49 | Mike-N-Go | IS there somewhere I can read more about the Blacksmithing/Leatherworking specialization while I am waiting for the patch to update, I don't understand what that all means by what the patch notes say. |
| 00:21.01 | *** join/#wowi-lounge FIRESTARTER (n=Bovino@217.129.147.7) |
| 00:21.05 | TheStig | does anyone know of anything that does what archaeologist does without using sea and mcom and all that malarky? |
| 00:21.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | Mike-N-Go |
| 00:21.23 | Mike-N-Go | Mr_Rabies2: |
| 00:21.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | the specializations do nothing anymore for any current content |
| 00:21.58 | FIRESTARTER | anyone can recomend me an addon to show life and mana in value for me and my party members? (without many extras like pearl classic unit frames and such, i want the nearest possible to deafaul!) |
| 00:22.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | however, in bc, there will be some BOP things that you can ONLY if you're specialized in one of them |
| 00:22.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | and now you can unlearn just the specialization like respeccing, i guess |
| 00:22.29 | TheStig | FIRESTARTER: archeologist does that, but it uses sea and mcom and a bunch of crap and its bloated and i hate it, plus its broken right now |
| 00:22.31 | Mike-N-Go | The part about knowing other speclations after you unlearn your current one. |
| 00:22.34 | groll | damnit are all websites down today or what? |
| 00:22.40 | Mike-N-Go | specialization* |
| 00:22.40 | groll | wowwiki, curse, nurfed and so on |
| 00:22.46 | Mike-N-Go | ~~~ |
| 00:22.48 | purl | I HATE YOU, mike-n-go |
| 00:23.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | ha |
| 00:23.27 | FIRESTARTER | damn :( |
| 00:23.34 | Xolan_ | hm, purl's a bot right? :P |
| 00:23.40 | kahdgarxi | man |
| 00:23.42 | kahdgarxi | that's so awesome |
| 00:23.56 | kergoth | ~botsnack |
| 00:23.56 | purl | aw, gee, kergoth |
| 00:24.04 | kergoth | ~remulate |
| 00:24.06 | purl | Gimme some sugar, baby! |
| 00:24.09 | Kirov | ~emulate Kirov |
| 00:24.10 | purl | It's too early in the morning for me to be able to read moron. |
| 00:24.16 | kergoth | ~emulate kergoth |
| 00:24.17 | purl | Why don't you go away, and come back when you've got some clue? |
| 00:24.22 | Xolan_ | ~emulate Bouvi |
| 00:24.24 | kergoth | ~botsnack |
| 00:24.24 | purl | aw, gee, kergoth |
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| 00:24.26 | kahdgarxi | ~emulate kahdgarxi |
| 00:24.28 | Cairenn | happy birthday Beladona! |
| 00:24.31 | Mike-N-Go | ~emulate purl |
| 00:24.32 | purl | ACTION tries to look like herself. |
| 00:24.38 | kahdgarxi | O.O |
| 00:24.40 | kahdgarxi | purl's a girl! |
| 00:24.44 | Xolan_ | :O |
| 00:24.55 | Mike-N-Go | You did not know? d:) |
| 00:25.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | purl's not a very manly name |
| 00:25.09 | kergoth | purl's just one instance of the bot. |
| 00:25.14 | Nom- | Only a chick could have purl's attitude, sheesh. |
| 00:25.14 | Kirov | You didn't notice purl DDs? |
| 00:25.16 | kergoth | ibot, jbot, apt, purl i know of offhand |
| 00:25.17 | kahdgarxi | purl's a very botly name |
| 00:25.27 | Xolan_ | ~emulate cladhaire |
| 00:25.28 | purl | Good code is something to appreciate like a work of art. |
| 00:25.35 | Xolan_ | oo :) |
| 00:25.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | ~emulate Mr_Rabies2 |
| 00:25.43 | purl | BATS! Bats. BaTs? |
| 00:25.43 | cladhaire | i did in fact say that =) |
| 00:25.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | i still have no clue what the bats thing is |
| 00:25.51 | Mike-N-Go | ~emulate Cairenn |
| 00:25.52 | purl | ACTION stealth bumps a couple threads |
| 00:26.07 | Kirov | ~emulate Rowne |
| 00:26.08 | purl | I'm simply aboggle |
| 00:26.08 | Tierrie|Work | oh the other Cairenn |
| 00:26.08 | Xolan_ | good saying clad ;) sounds like something in a interface website banner |
| 00:26.17 | zenzio | and for a while there I expected purl to link some post about... female issues |
| 00:26.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | blarg |
| 00:26.23 | Mike-N-Go | ~emulate Mike-N-Go |
| 00:26.24 | purl | ACTION has left chat.freenode.net (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 00:26.24 | kergoth | ~remulate |
| 00:26.25 | purl | It's like you said! They try to end the hunger for sweetness.. in their.. RUMBLING.. UNDEAD.. _bellies_! |
| 00:26.26 | Mike-N-Go | :( |
| 00:26.27 | Tierrie|Work | hi Cairenn |
| 00:26.35 | Kirov | lol |
| 00:26.36 | Cairenn | hi Tierrie|Work |
| 00:26.47 | SP|Sorren | awww, still can't walk through the TBC portal with the beta client on live servers :( |
| 00:26.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | some of my addons are broken still >:| |
| 00:26.51 | Nom- | holy crap |
| 00:26.53 | Nom- | I want an iPhone |
| 00:26.56 | Nom- | They look sexy |
| 00:26.58 | Xolan_ | yeah |
| 00:27.04 | Xolan_ | that map thingy was nifty |
| 00:27.07 | kahdgarxi | they also cost a fortune |
| 00:27.15 | Guillotine | ~emulate Guillotine |
| 00:27.16 | purl | Hey Cair, what's your admin password? |
| 00:27.20 | Xolan_ | compared to what you get? not too bad actually |
| 00:27.22 | Cairenn | hahaha |
| 00:27.25 | Xolan_ | lol |
| 00:27.30 | Guillotine | geez, that was set so long ago |
| 00:27.33 | zenzio | ~emulate zenzelezz |
| 00:27.34 | purl | OMG STOP TALKIN TO TEH BOT! |
| 00:27.36 | zenzio | :-| |
| 00:27.38 | Kirov | http://www.linksys.com/servlet/Satellite?c=L_Product_C2&childpagename=US%2FLayout&cid=1165633354987&pagename=Linksys%2FCommon%2FVisitorWrapper - iPhone! |
| 00:27.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | i hardly ever use my phone |
| 00:27.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | iphone would be an enormous waste of dough |
| 00:27.54 | Xolan_ | ~emulate cide |
| 00:27.56 | purl | Please remove this discussion from your consciousness. |
| 00:28.00 | Xolan_ | :P |
| 00:28.05 | kergoth | iphone's ui looks slick, way overpriced though |
| 00:28.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | so how do ~emulates get set? |
| 00:28.17 | Nom- | bah |
| 00:28.18 | Nom- | start saving |
| 00:28.22 | cladhaire | not if you consider it as an ipod/blackberry |
| 00:28.24 | cladhaire | btu i agre |
| 00:28.27 | Nom- | June is enough time to save $1000 |
| 00:28.31 | cladhaire | not that i would buy one. |
| 00:28.42 | Nom- | I am seriously considering it |
| 00:28.43 | zenzio | Mr_Rabies2: you just set it like any other factoid |
| 00:28.43 | Tierrie|Work | dude iphone looks awesome |
| 00:28.48 | kergoth | its a pretty weak ipod, the battery life is sad for that imo |
| 00:28.48 | Tierrie|Work | how much is it? |
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| 00:28.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh snap they have a touch screen control FINALLY |
| 00:28.53 | Nom- | I could never justify buying an MP3 Player or a Blackberry on its own |
| 00:29.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | that dial is worthless, why not just put a touchscreen on the damn ipod |
| 00:29.11 | Nom- | but an mp3/pda/phone in one, sure |
| 00:29.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | more room for a huge screen |
| 00:29.21 | Cairenn | Mr_Rabies2: purl, emulate [someone] is <action> [response] |
| 00:29.24 | kergoth | i'll probably just pick up a nokia n800 for pda type stuff and wait for the cost to come down on the iphone, and for them to get the kicks worked out |
| 00:29.24 | Tierrie|Work | I use x XV6700 right now |
| 00:29.26 | Nom- | as long as it works on 802.11b/g because that's what we've got in the office at work |
| 00:29.41 | Tierrie|Work | and a BFG10000 |
| 00:29.51 | Kirov | http://www.apple.com/iphone/technology/specs.html |
| 00:29.56 | kahdgarxi | can't live without the BFK10K |
| 00:30.21 | Xolan_ | @cairenn- I uploaded the mod, but I get timeouts all the time so dunno if it was really uploaded. :P |
| 00:30.31 | Cairenn | Xolan_: I know =/ |
| 00:30.36 | Eternally777 | I like my Cingular 8525 (HTC TyTN). I'm quickly becoming dependant on it. |
| 00:30.45 | Nom- | Wi-Fi (802.11b/g) + EDGE + Bluetooth 2.0 |
| 00:30.46 | Nom- | woot |
| 00:31.01 | kahdgarxi | WTS long annoying login fade-in delay! PST! |
| 00:31.02 | Xolan_ | right, you'll probably see several submissions then I guess |
| 00:31.05 | Mike-N-Go | I log in, and it says "Friend removed because the character no longer exists." |
| 00:31.17 | Mike-N-Go | How do I figure out who that was 0.o |
| 00:31.21 | cladhaire | dunno |
| 00:31.36 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Beladona (n=beladona@cpe-72-185-210-159.tampabay.res.rr.com) |
| 00:31.37 | Nom- | I wonder what the battery life is like |
| 00:31.43 | Xolan_ | Cannot upload file - File already exists! - guess that's good :) |
| 00:31.57 | cladhaire | 6 hours |
| 00:32.01 | cladhaire | 16 hours playtime. |
| 00:32.18 | Tain | I'm actually more interested in the SlingCatcher than anything else announced in the last couple of days. |
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| 00:34.22 | Castdead | hi guys |
| 00:34.47 | Xolan_ | hola |
| 00:34.50 | Cairenn | Xolan_: it got through fine, I just approved it |
| 00:34.52 | Nom- | what about standby |
| 00:34.54 | Cairenn | hi Castdead |
| 00:35.07 | Nom- | probably a week if it lasta 16 hours playing music |
| 00:35.08 | kahdgarxi | oh btw, while the channel is active, since i've been forgetting to ask forever... I haven't been able to find a function to get the current date. Does one in fact not exist? |
| 00:35.14 | Castdead | i seem to have a little problem the special events-aura |
| 00:35.17 | Kirov | I'm not quite sure I see what the point of the sling catcher is |
| 00:35.36 | Tain | Streaming video from your computer to your TV. |
| 00:35.55 | Xolan_ | great cai |
| 00:36.04 | Guillotine | kahdgarxi: os.date |
| 00:36.11 | Kirov | Because those pesky svideo cables are so expensive and hard to find? |
| 00:36.27 | Castdead | i get this error: libs\SpecialEvents-Aura-2.0\SpecialEvents-Aura-2.0.lua:20: Cannot find a library instance of Gratuity-2.0. while gratuity is inthere |
| 00:36.29 | Tain | When your computer isn't anywhere near your TV, yes. |
| 00:36.29 | Guillotine | sry, just date() |
| 00:36.42 | Tain | And svideo? |
| 00:36.44 | kahdgarxi | Guillotine - ah, perfect: ) |
| 00:36.48 | Eternally777 | kahdgarxi: os.date() only if you're working outside of the game environment. |
| 00:36.56 | Tain | Might as well just have kids draw on your television screen with crayons! |
| 00:37.00 | kahdgarxi | Eternally777 - that's what i was thinking |
| 00:37.05 | Guillotine | and you can format it in different ways. Check the lua manual :) |
| 00:37.33 | Guillotine | date() works the exact same way as os.date() so thats what you're going to want to look at in lua manual |
| 00:37.33 | kahdgarxi | Guillotine - does date() work exactly the same as os.date()? |
| 00:37.41 | kahdgarxi | lol |
| 00:37.43 | Guillotine | lol, beat you to it :PO |
| 00:37.44 | kahdgarxi | beat me to the chase :P |
| 00:38.16 | kahdgarxi | OMG!! |
| 00:38.24 | kahdgarxi | Dazed doesn't dismount you anymore! |
| 00:38.28 | kahdgarxi | My salvation has come! |
| 00:38.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://pcmedia.ign.com/pc/image/article/705/705664/crysis-20060508022308296.jpg |
| 00:38.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | @_@ |
| 00:38.55 | Xolan_ | I need a new comp :P |
| 00:39.23 | Kirov | Crysis is pretty |
| 00:39.34 | kahdgarxi | ok, nevermind |
| 00:39.36 | kahdgarxi | that was a fluke :( |
| 00:39.38 | Kirov | And that's an old screenshot |
| 00:39.57 | kahdgarxi | wow |
| 00:40.01 | Xolan_ | I wonder if the current dx10 cards will have enough performance |
| 00:40.02 | kahdgarxi | that's insane |
| 00:40.06 | kahdgarxi | that for ps3? |
| 00:40.13 | Xolan_ | and pc |
| 00:40.13 | Kirov | PC only |
| 00:40.17 | Xolan_ | aha |
| 00:40.21 | Kirov | Won't run on a PS3 |
| 00:40.22 | kahdgarxi | dx10? |
| 00:40.25 | Xolan_ | yep |
| 00:40.30 | Kirov | That screenshot is DX9 |
| 00:40.42 | Xolan_ | o_O |
| 00:40.52 | TheStig | anyone know of anything that does what informant does without having to have stubby and enhtooltip etc. |
| 00:40.53 | TheStig | ? |
| 00:40.56 | Tain | Yeh Crysis looks pretty. |
| 00:40.58 | Kirov | That's from a couple months ago, it looks better now. |
| 00:41.05 | Tain | I won't buy it or anything. But it looks pretty. |
| 00:41.21 | Kirov | TheStig - what does informant do? |
| 00:42.07 | Tain | My games for 2007 are Spore (well hopefully), Hellgate London, and Jade Empire PC |
| 00:42.07 | TheStig | Kirov: it places vendor buy/sell prices in the tooltip |
| 00:42.08 | kergoth | there are lots of addons that do that |
| 00:42.11 | TheStig | so that if you are going to choose between a quest reward you can choose which is the most expensive |
| 00:42.13 | Xolan_ | Hellgate London is my bet for goty ;) |
| 00:42.21 | kergoth | i think i'm using ludwig_sellvalue for sell values atm |
| 00:42.46 | Kirov | PriceTracker, SellPrice, LootLink, SellValue, KC_Items, ItemSync, take your pick |
| 00:42.58 | TheStig | thank you :) |
| 00:43.21 | kergoth | monetaryvalue is another one |
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| 00:44.37 | Tain | I'm looking forward to seeing what Warhammer Online does. |
| 00:44.49 | JoshBorke | ~taint |
| 00:44.51 | purl | ACTION calls a few functions and nothing is secure any longer. |
| 00:44.58 | Xolan_ | think AoC will be more exiting |
| 00:45.04 | Xolan_ | warhammer looks too much like wow |
| 00:45.11 | Tain | And I think it's a shame that Lord of the Rings Online is going to have problems succeeding, even if it is a good game. |
| 00:45.36 | kahdgarxi | Tain - I was fairly underwhelmed |
| 00:46.24 | Tain | I think LOTORO is looking good. But good just isn't good enough anymore. |
| 00:46.30 | kahdgarxi | very true |
| 00:47.37 | Qshadowp | whats wrong with lorto online? |
| 00:48.03 | Qshadowp | im just waiting for another game to come up so i can get off of wow with its crappy customer support :P |
| 00:48.09 | Tain | Well since NDAs are still in effect for the current beta I'm sure no one could say. |
| 00:48.48 | Qshadowp | aww :< |
| 00:48.49 | End | a friend of mine was in the beta |
| 00:48.56 | End | he didn't stay long in it |
| 00:49.38 | End | (the lorto beta I mean of course) |
| 00:49.47 | Tain | It's actually very good. |
| 00:49.48 | End | (I'm not randomly changing topics or anything) |
| 00:50.08 | End | well, one of the problems he has was finding a class he liked |
| 00:50.20 | Tain | Just not "revolutionary." |
| 00:50.22 | End | then he got bored with it I think |
| 00:50.24 | Cairenn | *if* I was in the beta, which I couldn't disclose if I was, I would say that it's looking pretty good |
| 00:50.52 | Tain | The sad part is everything is going to be compared to WoW becuase it is so popular. |
| 00:51.04 | Xolan_ | why is that bad? |
| 00:51.26 | kahdgarxi | yeah, wow has definitely set the standard for the industry |
| 00:51.28 | Tain | Because you don't have to do things in the same way that WoW does in order to be a good game. |
| 00:51.37 | Cairenn | *if* I were, I'd say it's looking a damn sight better than Vanguard, *if* I were in that beta too, and Vanguard is about to go live whereas LotRO is still working on it - but of course, I can't say any of that |
| 00:51.39 | Qshadowp | no you dont |
| 00:51.53 | Xolan_ | :P |
| 00:51.55 | kahdgarxi | lol |
| 00:51.55 | Qshadowp | lol Cairenn :p |
| 00:52.01 | kahdgarxi | a bunch of my guildies just went to vanguard |
| 00:52.12 | Tain | If I'd seen any footage of LOTOR in game I would say that it's damn pretty. |
| 00:52.30 | Qshadowp | i plan to quit wow and reroll lotro as soon as it comes out |
| 00:52.38 | Qshadowp | if it looks good, and no amazingly better alternatives pop up |
| 00:53.03 | Xolan_ | still have my bet on AoC :) |
| 00:53.18 | Xolan_ | mostly because they have AO behind them |
| 00:53.50 | kahdgarxi | you know, i'm tempted to try eve again over and over again |
| 00:54.15 | Tain | I still love Eve. |
| 00:54.27 | kahdgarxi | my only problem with eve is the massive amount of waiting |
| 00:54.35 | End | gah, freakin checkbox I always forget to click |
| 00:54.54 | Tain | I still play Eve, just not a lot. But I won't cancel it. |
| 00:55.03 | kahdgarxi | i love the community, and the general feal of the game |
| 00:55.14 | Tain | And I still go through spurts where I love playing City of Heroes/Villians. |
| 00:55.15 | Xolan_ | found it a bit overwhelming at first sight |
| 00:55.24 | kahdgarxi | but when a 20-jump round trip is typical, it just gets old >< |
| 00:55.25 | Xolan_ | played a trial some time ago |
| 00:55.48 | kahdgarxi | the main thing i love about eve is how it's so player-centric |
| 00:55.55 | kahdgarxi | corps actually own airspace |
| 00:55.57 | kahdgarxi | and space stations |
| 00:56.02 | kahdgarxi | er |
| 00:56.05 | kahdgarxi | space space |
| 00:56.05 | kahdgarxi | lol |
| 00:56.07 | Tain | I still say there is *nothing* like massive PVP battles in Eve. |
| 00:56.16 | Xolan_ | yeah, make the world more "alive" |
| 00:56.19 | Tain | Nothing in any other current game even comes close. |
| 00:56.24 | kahdgarxi | omg, gang warping is SO COOL |
| 00:57.08 | Tierrie|Work | Tain: The AC2/D&D/LotR engine is much more realistic than WoW but the gameplay suffers |
| 00:57.16 | Tain | You can record a big pvp battle in Eve and it seriously looks like big battles from like Star Wars. |
| 00:57.26 | kahdgarxi | I don't like the graphics in LotR |
| 00:58.01 | Tain | The LOTORO graphics are more realistic than say WoW which are more cartoony. Allegedly. If I'd seen it. |
| 00:58.02 | kahdgarxi | because i see lotr as a decent attempt at realistic graphics |
| 00:58.10 | kahdgarxi | and wow as an awesome success at cartoonish graphics |
| 00:58.43 | TheStig | the character create screen has dranei and bloodelf on it now |
| 00:58.59 | kahdgarxi | TheStig - is has since 2.0 |
| 00:59.01 | kahdgarxi | it* |
| 00:59.02 | Tierrie|Work | Its had it since last patch |
| 00:59.14 | TheStig | oh i didn't notice before lol |
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| 01:00.55 | Tain | Oh damn new House tonight! |
| 01:01.06 | kahdgarxi | no new heroes until the 22nd :( |
| 01:01.15 | Xolan_ | bah we're like 2 seasons behind :( |
| 01:01.17 | Xolan_ | (house) |
| 01:03.46 | kahdgarxi | hmm.... level 59.5, and no quests to do :( |
| 01:03.47 | TheStig | house is new tonight? wooo |
| 01:03.52 | kahdgarxi | i don't wanna just grind =/ |
| 01:03.52 | Nom- | Hey with the patch today, did they lift the level cap to 70 ? |
| 01:04.00 | Tain | Grind! Grind like the wind! |
| 01:04.05 | kahdgarxi | Nom- - you have to own the expansion to level beyond 60. |
| 01:04.16 | Nom- | Really? |
| 01:04.25 | Nom- | That's going to be really harsh for anyone who can't afford it |
| 01:04.25 | kahdgarxi | yeah |
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| 01:04.30 | kahdgarxi | yup |
| 01:04.37 | Nom- | World PvP will totally suck for them |
| 01:04.42 | kahdgarxi | lol |
| 01:04.43 | kahdgarxi | indeed |
| 01:05.02 | Tain | I still remember taking the day off of work for the first EverQuest expansion. I'm so glad I never thought of doing that again.. |
| 01:05.10 | Nom- | hahaha |
| 01:05.37 | Nom- | I just hope the stores release WoW on Tuesday here not Wednesday |
| 01:05.45 | Nom- | It'll really suck if I can't play Tuesday night :( |
| 01:05.46 | zenzio | Tain: wasn't there an EQ expansion like every other week? |
| 01:06.06 | TC_Working | yes...sometimes twice a week |
| 01:06.07 | zenzio | I remember contemplating trying EQ at some point, but I could never figure out what I needed or didn't need, so I never did |
| 01:06.11 | Tain | Not in the beginning, zenzio |
| 01:06.43 | kahdgarxi | i remember seeing somebody play EQ, and thinking it was the most retarded game i have ever seen. :) |
| 01:06.53 | kahdgarxi | s/have/had |
| 01:07.15 | zenzio | well, I wasn't very positive about WoW until a friend sent me a copy and I had to try it |
| 01:07.19 | Nom- | That would imply you've seen a more retarded game since then... |
| 01:07.45 | kahdgarxi | Nom- - no, it just preserves the tense for the sentence, making the grammar correct. It wasn't a quote. |
| 01:07.47 | zenzio | I tried SWG once... lasted maybe two weeks |
| 01:08.26 | wereHamster|away | JoshBorke, pong |
| 01:08.27 | Nom- | zenzio: Since the latest patch? |
| 01:08.37 | Nom- | ie. was it SWG1, 2 or 3 |
| 01:08.52 | Tain | SWG had great promise, great ideas. It just had the problem of being saddled with the Star Wars name. |
| 01:08.53 | zenzio | NGE? No, was a long time ago... probably 1 |
| 01:09.06 | Nom- | Ok, did everything have like no cast time |
| 01:09.12 | Nom- | or did some attacks have cast time |
| 01:09.15 | zenzio | I didn't see much "Star Wars" in SWG in my brief stay |
| 01:09.27 | Tain | People wanted Star Wars, so the ideas didn't make it, and they trashed the whole game. |
| 01:09.33 | zenzio | Nom-: hm... I can't remember, which probably means they didn't have |
| 01:09.43 | Tain | Of course allowing people do make a living as a Cantina Dancer didn't really make a lot of sense. |
| 01:09.45 | Nom- | Ok were the attack icons plain or colorful ? |
| 01:10.14 | zenzio | think they were colorful |
| 01:10.21 | Nom- | That was SWG2 then |
| 01:10.26 | Nom- | SWG1 was king |
| 01:10.30 | zenzio | I remember trying to figure the weird three bars I had... HP and two other |
| 01:10.48 | Nom- | yeah, health action and mind |
| 01:10.55 | Nom- | and jedi got force bar too, so 4 bars |
| 01:11.14 | Nom- | It was the complexity which made it fun... in SWG1 you could be killed by reducing any of those 3 bars to 0 |
| 01:11.25 | Nom- | in SWG2 and 3 there was only 1 life bar |
| 01:11.50 | Nom- | So basically they alienated the people who enjoyed that complexity and brought in a whole range of new people who don't stay very long |
| 01:11.55 | Nom- | There's no endgame to SWG...it's all PvP |
| 01:12.13 | zenzio | complexity isn't necessarily a bad thing... if there'd been any sort of introduction to how they worked |
| 01:12.16 | Nom- | Think of SWG as like getting Tier 3 armor at level 20 |
| 01:12.30 | zenzio | not just "here you are, go figure it! Oh, and good luck with your professions" |
| 01:12.39 | zenzio | or whatever the stuff was called that you leveled your skills in |
| 01:12.46 | Nom- | Yeah, it was hard to get into |
| 01:12.56 | Nom- | But once you got into it (the original one) the game was soooo awesome |
| 01:13.21 | Nom- | At one point I had a Master Teras Kasi / Master Swordsman (one character) and was soling Nightsister Elders |
| 01:13.33 | Nom- | Took about 10-15 minutes to kill one, but it was hell fun :P |
| 01:13.48 | Nom- | Back when Jedi could wear full composite armor |
| 01:13.50 | Nom- | That was nuts |
| 01:14.01 | zenzio | I remember I did some sort of marksman(ship?)... and tried scouting, but couldn't be arsed to sit around for 10+ minutes doing nothing to level a skill |
| 01:14.24 | Tain | People don't really know, but SWG influenced a lot of things about WoW. |
| 01:14.31 | Tain | Like the Auction House. |
| 01:14.42 | Nom- | hah not really |
| 01:14.52 | Tain | It was a predecessor. |
| 01:15.00 | Nom- | It's kinda nerfed now, but there was a dedicated Merchant profession in SWG |
| 01:15.12 | Nom- | You actually spent your skillpoints to learn how to create and manage a vendor for your wares |
| 01:15.24 | Tain | No game allowed you to sell things offline until SWG. |
| 01:15.32 | kahdgarxi | so, i looked at apple's iphone page |
| 01:15.36 | kahdgarxi | i'm hooked |
| 01:15.38 | Nom- | Yeah, ok i'll give you that |
| 01:15.39 | kahdgarxi | i want one >< |
| 01:15.41 | Tain | EQ added a hack-ass bazaar which was absurd. |
| 01:15.43 | Nom- | Same, kahdgarxi |
| 01:16.56 | Nom- | The economy in SWG was so much more than WoW ever had or has |
| 01:17.22 | Nom- | You spent the equivilent of maybe 10 gold over your entire character to level |
| 01:17.23 | cladhaire | I have an epic mount! |
| 01:17.25 | SP|Sorren | ffxi had an AH where you could sell stuff offline |
| 01:17.27 | cladhaire | yay for price cuts! |
| 01:17.32 | SP|Sorren | and came out a year before swg, iirc |
| 01:17.43 | zenzio | it was the talk of the good things about SWG that made me try it, but I just never encountered anything to suggest it existed in-game, so I stopped :-p |
| 01:17.47 | Nom- | All your weapons and armor came from other players |
| 01:17.54 | zenzio | didn't help that I didn't have any friends playing it |
| 01:18.06 | Nom- | It was like 0.001% droprates on anything that would beat player-built gear |
| 01:18.11 | Nom- | And that worked so well |
| 01:18.29 | Nom- | You had master armorsmiths who would actually max out the credits you could store on a character |
| 01:18.37 | zenzio | O_o |
| 01:18.45 | zenzio | because they sold so much? |
| 01:18.49 | Nom- | Yep |
| 01:19.06 | zenzio | for a moment there I read it as "they altered your max credits"... would be fun, a banker class! |
| 01:19.06 | Nom- | You could store something like 250 million credits |
| 01:19.12 | Nom- | between your bank and on yourself |
| 01:19.20 | zenzio | is there a limit in WoW? |
| 01:19.21 | Nom- | and they would reach that every 1-2 days |
| 01:19.33 | zenzio | I remember Anarchy Online limited you to 999'999'999 credits |
| 01:19.36 | Xolan_ | http://www.myextralife.com/archive.php?date=2007-01-01 ah good one |
| 01:20.12 | cladhaire | holy crap.. anyone here have a mac? |
| 01:20.20 | Tain | Anarchy Online had some fantastic ideas for its time. |
| 01:20.24 | Nom- | My parents do, cladhaire ? |
| 01:20.30 | cladhaire | I just control mouse-wheeled for the first time. |
| 01:20.33 | cladhaire | trippy! |
| 01:20.36 | Nom- | lol |
| 01:20.48 | zenzio | I'd have stayed with AO if most of my friends hadn't left :-| But they made some weird turns with the expansions |
| 01:20.48 | kahdgarxi | what's that do...? |
| 01:20.53 | Nom- | You have a mouse whell on your mac ? |
| 01:20.56 | cladhaire | i was trying to scroll in in wow to see my guy |
| 01:21.04 | cladhaire | but.. it.. zoomed my entire OS in |
| 01:21.14 | kahdgarxi | o.O |
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| 01:21.29 | Tain | haha love mouse scroll zoom. |
| 01:21.30 | cladhaire | its an accessibility feature, apparently =) |
| 01:21.46 | Xolan_ | linux has the same with beryl or compiz :) |
| 01:21.58 | Tain | Love Logitech Revolution mouse better. |
| 01:22.16 | Tain | Free-wheeling metal scroll wheel? Kickassh. |
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| 01:26.58 | FIRESTARTER | how do i change the text size and color before or after function like: |
| 01:27.41 | FIRESTARTER | var:Show(); var:SetText( something ); |
| 01:27.56 | FIRESTARTER | i want the "something" text to show in white and smaller |
| 01:28.06 | FIRESTARTER | anyone can help me with that? :) |
| 01:32.33 | TheStig | anyone know why duratek is borked? |
| 01:34.10 | Nom- | Oh well, I just need another 300g to buy my epic mount :( |
| 01:34.19 | Nom- | I'll probably get my epic mount on my paladin before my mage lol |
| 01:34.34 | Nom- | Going to go double-gatherer class on my pally for maximum cashflow |
| 01:34.55 | Tierrie|Work | FIRESTARTER: what is wrong with var:SetText()? |
| 01:35.15 | FIRESTARTER | the text shows in yellow |
| 01:35.18 | FIRESTARTER | i'd prefer white :) |
| 01:35.22 | Tierrie|Work | oh you want to change fontsize and font color? |
| 01:35.27 | FIRESTARTER | exactly :) |
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| 01:35.45 | FIRESTARTER | i'm, trying to make a very simple addon that shows the health and mana in text |
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| 01:35.53 | FIRESTARTER | inside the stats bar |
| 01:36.03 | Tierrie|Work | i will let you know when wowwiki decides to let me use it |
| 01:36.05 | FIRESTARTER | but not so ugly and big like the default |
| 01:36.16 | FIRESTARTER | ehehehe |
| 01:36.18 | FIRESTARTER | tks |
| 01:37.52 | Tierrie|Work | take a look at SetFont and SetFontObject |
| 01:38.51 | Tierrie|Work | I am not sure why its in yellow but i think you can use the |cff |r tags |
| 01:38.57 | Tierrie|Work | to change it I mean |
| 01:39.20 | FIRESTARTER | thanks, i'll check it out :) |
| 01:40.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | IAMAVOLCANO |
| 01:45.30 | TC_Working | your erupting alright...... |
| 01:47.05 | Industrial | Question: What is a virtual machine and what does it have to do with compiling/interpreting and programming languages? |
| 01:47.08 | Industrial | :-) |
| 01:47.29 | TC_Working | "As the Burning Crusade expansion was finished prior to the most current patch versions it will be necessary to re-patch to 2.0.3 once the expansion is installed. As some players remove their patches after they have been applied we would like to provide a helpful warning not to delete the “2.0.0-to-2.0.3” patch file as it will be required after the Burning Crusade is installed." |
| 01:49.37 | Tierrie|Work | a virtual machine is a virtual operating system that you can run in another operating system |
| 01:49.52 | Tierrie|Work | you can sometimes compile binaries for another operating system within a virtual machine |
| 01:50.11 | Tierrie|Work | so you can use windows and compile for linux binaries if you have a linux virtual machine running within your windows os machine |
| 01:50.28 | End | compiling binaries for another operating system is nothing special |
| 01:50.32 | TC_Working | Parallels FTW |
| 01:50.41 | End | running binaries for another operating system is a little more interesting |
| 01:50.54 | Tierrie|Work | ja |
| 01:51.41 | Industrial | im asking this because of |
| 01:51.44 | Industrial | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inferno_(operating_system) |
| 01:51.51 | Industrial | "Applications are written in the type-safe Limbo programming language, whose binary representation is identical over all platforms, and is executed using just-in-time compilation techniques in a virtual machine." |
| 01:52.06 | Nom- | wtf? |
| 01:52.11 | Nom- | You need to re-patch to 2.0.3 ? |
| 01:52.15 | TC_Working | yes |
| 01:52.20 | Nom- | Oh, because the installer for TBC will be old |
| 01:52.22 | Nom- | Fair enough |
| 01:52.25 | bleetah | aye |
| 01:52.39 | bleetah | i can see it upsetting the clueless masses, tho |
| 01:52.44 | bleetah | sux to be them, eh |
| 01:52.47 | Nom- | bah |
| 01:52.55 | End | so don't delete your 2.0.3 patch files...that's about all you need to worry about :P |
| 01:52.58 | Nom- | as long as there's no download required for most people they can't cry too much |
| 01:53.06 | Tierrie|Work | well even if you do delete it you just redownload it |
| 01:53.11 | Tierrie|Work | which will just cause a delay but nothing cruel |
| 01:53.20 | Nom- | I wonder if stores will already have TBC in stock |
| 01:53.26 | Tierrie|Work | Industrial: that sounds like parrot or java |
| 01:53.32 | bleetah | if it stops me from install 1.5->patch 1.12->patch2.0->patch2.0.3, and instead install 1.5/bc/2.03, I'll be happy |
| 01:53.53 | Nom- | Why would you need to install all those again? |
| 01:53.57 | bleetah | lack of a master patch is really annoying at the momen |
| 01:53.58 | bleetah | t |
| 01:54.00 | Nom- | Are you one of those mad people who keeps reinstalling WoW ? |
| 01:54.04 | Tierrie|Work | Industrial: in other words, it sounds like what they do is compile the language into a binary that is only readable by the virtual machine (like java), and on the operating system a virtual machine is needed to interprete the binaries |
| 01:54.17 | TC_Working | there are only 2 patches atm to patch to live from disk |
| 01:54.24 | TC_Working | both around 500mb |
| 01:54.34 | Nom- | My installer is 1.10 or thereabouts lol |
| 01:54.39 | Tierrie|Work | well, i assume most of the data patches should already be on the disk |
| 01:54.47 | bleetah | TC_Working: last time I looked, there was no patch anything->2.0 |
| 01:54.51 | TC_Working | WoW disk, not BC disk |
| 01:54.53 | Nom- | I actually downloaded the trial and upgraded to full on the webs ite |
| 01:55.05 | Tierrie|Work | ja |
| 01:55.05 | bleetah | s I had to 'patch anything->1.12, then I could go to 2.0, then get 2.0.3 |
| 01:55.10 | Tierrie|Work | i assume that maybe TBC to live might be smaller |
| 01:55.16 | bleetah | ah |
| 01:55.37 | Tierrie|Work | Industrial: "Inferno is somewhat similar to Java Virtual Machine. However, Limbo's virtual machine, unlike the Java Virtual Machine so far, can be run on bare hardware without a host operating system" |
| 01:55.51 | TC_Working | World of Warcraft Patch v1.12.x - v2.0.1 |
| 01:55.51 | Nom- | It wouldn't surprise me if TBC has a patch on it to go right to 2.0 |
| 01:55.52 | TC_Working | World of Warcraft Patch - v1.12 [Full English] |
| 01:55.54 | Nom- | from 1.0 |
| 01:56.00 | TC_Working | 2 patchs |
| 01:56.04 | Industrial | Tierrie|Work: ah ic |
| 01:57.01 | Tain | ug friggin Java |
| 01:57.10 | bleetah | TC: ok, that's got me to 2.0.1. then I'll need to install BC, then go to 2.0.3? |
| 01:57.36 | TC_Working | umm..i think BC will come with the ability to go from WoW disk to 2.0.1 |
| 01:57.40 | Industrial | lol Tain awakes ;D |
| 01:57.45 | TC_Working | then just aply the 2.0.3 patch |
| 01:58.04 | Tain | Just another miserable mess at work upgrading Java versions on desktops. |
| 01:58.10 | TC_Working | eg. WoW --> BC --> 2.0.3 |
| 01:58.25 | Tain | Asshole goddamn Java apps failing between minor upgrades. |
| 01:58.26 | bleetah | right, so it'll be kinda a replacement for a 'patch anything', jsut it's 'patch anything and add BC content' :) |
| 01:58.52 | TC_Working | sounds about right |
| 01:59.16 | bleetah | which is what I mean, I've been looking for a 'patch anything except BC content' since 2.0 was released. no banana. |
| 01:59.31 | bleetah | must admit, didn't look in past few days tho |
| 01:59.47 | TC_Working | no, but 2 isnt bad |
| 02:00.31 | bleetah | just trying to work out the procedures requires for my clueless friends when they ask me. some going BC immediately, some waiting a few weeks |
| 02:00.47 | TC_Working | get smarter friends |
| 02:00.56 | Nom- | There's a 2.0.1 full patch I think |
| 02:01.00 | Nom- | http://www.gamershell.com/download_16739.shtml |
| 02:01.16 | TC_Working | going home now. laters |
| 02:01.56 | zenzio | and there the servers went down |
| 02:02.33 | zenzio | see, it's even ruined my grammar already |
| 02:02.37 | Tierrie|Work | bleetah: obviously the solution is to have a telephone failure |
| 02:02.39 | Tierrie|Work | doh |
| 02:04.22 | bleetah | http://www.blizzard.com/support/wow/?id=aww01810p still no standalone 2.0.3 patch /sigh |
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| 02:04.51 | Swado | Is there a /script that can promote a person in the raid? because the raid tab isn't functioning correctly |
| 02:07.33 | Swado | anyone? |
| 02:10.12 | Tierrie|Work | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:10.26 | Tierrie|Work | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:10.43 | ZealotOnAStick | unfortunately, /promote <name> is still using the wrong index and promoting wrong people. |
| 02:11.01 | Tierrie|Work | use /script PromoteToLeader(playername) then |
| 02:11.54 | Cairenn | patch day |
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| 02:12.35 | Neuro_Medivh | and just because it's patch day, I'm gonna play some AC/DC |
| 02:15.10 | Swado | Raiding has never been so fun, we are guessing who will get leader |
| 02:15.48 | Tain | Server have been thunderstruck. |
| 02:15.49 | Swado | Its naxx in hot potatoe mode |
| 02:16.38 | bleetah | 4. Limitations on Your Use of Service: A. You may only access the Service from within the territorial boundries of the United States, Canada, Australia, New Zealand or Singapore. Any access to your Account, whether by you or anyone else from any locations outside these countries is a breach of this Agreement. << what about Lord Howe Island? |
| 02:17.04 | Neuro_Medivh | Illegal, and can get you banned and possibly arrested |
| 02:17.41 | Guillotine | pretty stupid in my opinion. What happens to people who played on the US servers then moved? |
| 02:17.46 | Guillotine | or those in the military and on duty |
| 02:18.18 | Iriel | I suspect Blizzard turns a blind eye to military connections |
| 02:18.47 | bleetah | yeah, well hopefully it's just something else in the ToS that they really don't play hardass at |
| 02:18.50 | sancus | err |
| 02:18.53 | Neuro_Medivh | well, any place the US Military is, would be considered territorial boundries of the United States =) |
| 02:19.00 | bleetah | unless a situation arises where they really need to enforce |
| 02:19.07 | sancus | account sharing is also against the ToS, but you will never get banned for account sharing unless you are doing something else bad. |
| 02:19.08 | Guillotine | Neuro_Medivh: not if their really on duty |
| 02:19.16 | Neuro_Medivh | Sure it is |
| 02:19.17 | Nom- | Territorial Boundaries |
| 02:19.18 | Guillotine | and how would they know? I'm sure their tracking by ip |
| 02:19.26 | Neuro_Medivh | Iraq = US Territory, for example =) |
| 02:19.39 | SP|Sorren | so wait, if i go to china on vacation this summer and play a little from there, i could get my account banned? :( |
| 02:19.42 | Nom- | Well, the US seems to think it owns the world |
| 02:19.43 | Nom- | Therefore |
| 02:19.49 | sancus | Sorren: Sure, you could, but you won't. |
| 02:19.56 | Neuro_Medivh | As is Afghanistan, Somalia, and Canada |
| 02:19.56 | bleetah | SP|Sorren: in theory |
| 02:20.05 | Swado | Is there any way you can predict who to promote in the raid tab to get the right person? |
| 02:20.09 | sancus | keep in mind |
| 02:20.15 | sancus | blizzard can ban you if they think your account name is ugly |
| 02:20.22 | SP|Sorren | ;< |
| 02:20.23 | Neuro_Medivh | yep |
| 02:20.30 | TheStig | any IP address worldwide from a US military base registers as san jose california on domain lookup regardless of where the tracert goes and ends in *.mil |
| 02:20.32 | TheStig | so you're safe |
| 02:20.36 | End | umm so yeah |
| 02:20.43 | sancus | What they can do and what they will do are completely different things |
| 02:20.49 | End | that quest is a little more difficult on a pvp server :P |
| 02:20.52 | bleetah | I can see a few english speaking people in malaysia and indonesia getting upset.. but I guess it may have to do with distribution/piracy concerns, etc. |
| 02:21.00 | Neuro_Medivh | They can ban you for being a Naga on a sunny day |
| 02:21.13 | End | (well, if you are outnumbered that is) |
| 02:21.15 | sancus | I know at least a half dozen people who have played from european or asian IPs since release day |
| 02:21.21 | sancus | none of them have ever had any issues |
| 02:21.33 | Neuro_Medivh | gold farmerz! |
| 02:21.35 | TheStig | on demon soul the portal quest is impossible becasue there's around 400 horde guarding the NPCs on my server |
| 02:21.38 | sancus | its simply not something they care about unless they want an excuse to ban you for some other reason |
| 02:22.02 | bleetah | yeah, this portal quest aint the best thought out |
| 02:22.05 | Iriel | I suspect a large reason for those rules are non-competition legal agreements with their operating partners overseas |
| 02:22.19 | Neuro_Medivh | Iriel, most likely |
| 02:22.35 | Neuro_Medivh | they sold the overseas distribution rights to other companies |
| 02:22.40 | bleetah | 'singular focal point where AoE rules' |
| 02:22.41 | Scre3m | anyone know if wim has been patched? |
| 02:22.43 | TheStig | also a reason to ban HKs playing on non HK servers |
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| 02:23.03 | bleetah | iriel: yeah, that kinda stuff makes sense to me |
| 02:23.20 | bleetah | this dumass thread in the forum 'blizz hates military' tho.. geez, what morons |
| 02:23.23 | Nom- | Hey, does that mean they'll finally start banning the chinese gold farmers? |
| 02:23.27 | Nom- | One can hope... |
| 02:23.35 | kremonte | not all gold farmers are chinese =^) |
| 02:23.39 | Neuro_Medivh | A lot of stuff in the EULA is for CYA purposes |
| 02:23.41 | Nom- | Enough of them are |
| 02:23.51 | Nom- | Gold sellers at least |
| 02:23.58 | bleetah | neuro: yeah, as it should be ;) |
| 02:23.59 | Neuro_Medivh | kind of like the old "We reserve the right to refuse service for any reason" disclaimers a lot of places have |
| 02:24.01 | kremonte | the... companies? |
| 02:24.02 | Iriel | I suspect most professional gold farming operations would VPN through a US hosted IP in an instant |
| 02:24.26 | TheStig | anyone have a durability plugin for fubar that's currently working? DuraTek/DurabilityFu/anything would be appreciated |
| 02:24.33 | Nom- | Yes...that's right...we have 350 computers in this 1x1 unit |
| 02:24.55 | Neuro_Medivh | I actually have no issue with gold farmers who operate legitimately |
| 02:25.00 | Nom- | Oh, did they break FuBar etc again? :( |
| 02:25.05 | TheStig | fubar is fine |
| 02:25.07 | Nom- | FuBar_DurabilityFu for instance |
| 02:25.10 | TheStig | i just need a durability |
| 02:25.12 | Neuro_Medivh | it's the botting and cheating ones I want banned |
| 02:25.19 | TheStig | neuro: i agree |
| 02:25.40 | kremonte | Neuro_Medivh: indeed. most i see are legit, the cheating ones usually die out fast because they're bad at shading it |
| 02:25.47 | TheStig | i use to sell currency on FFXI when it was profitable when i had an accident on the job and couldn't work for a year, it was nice |
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| 02:26.16 | kremonte | WTT my gil for your gold :< |
| 02:26.21 | Neuro_Medivh | as long as they play legit, I see no harm in it... in fact, it helps out because they are generally lowering the price of epics due to increased supply |
| 02:26.22 | TheStig | haha |
| 02:26.25 | Cairenn | the thing folks seem to forget is, if there was no market for it, no one would do it |
| 02:26.35 | kremonte | Cairenn: there'll always be a market for it |
| 02:26.37 | TheStig | neuro: yep and stimulating the econ |
| 02:26.41 | Cairenn | so who is really to blame? |
| 02:26.47 | Nom- | If the prices they charge for gold wasn't so insane, i'd consider buying the 300g i need for my mount |
| 02:26.48 | kremonte | the middlemen imo |
| 02:26.50 | Nom- | It's just insane tho |
| 02:26.53 | TheStig | companies should just accept it and cut out the middleman |
| 02:26.56 | kremonte | the middlemen are the big profiteers |
| 02:27.03 | Neuro_Medivh | 300g is like what, 12 bucks? |
| 02:27.08 | kremonte | depends what server neuro |
| 02:27.14 | TheStig | and faction i guess? |
| 02:27.15 | Neuro_Medivh | on Medivh, it's cheap |
| 02:27.15 | kremonte | i wish it was 12 bucks on hakkar :( |
| 02:27.20 | Neuro_Medivh | like 3 bucks per 100g |
| 02:27.23 | kremonte | it's ~14$/100g |
| 02:27.24 | Mike-N-Go | ~emulate TheStig |
| 02:27.29 | TheStig | i wish i had a durability plugin for fubar >:D |
| 02:27.41 | TheStig | that works? |
| 02:28.04 | TheStig | what is that |
| 02:28.17 | TheStig | all the sites are downso i have no idea whats working or where to get things that aren't broke |
| 02:28.23 | Tain | DurabilityFu doesn't work? |
| 02:28.28 | TheStig | not that i can see |
| 02:28.32 | Neuro_Medivh | eCastingBar works just fine |
| 02:28.43 | Cairenn | and wowi isn't down, we're just slow |
| 02:28.46 | Cairenn | keep trying |
| 02:28.48 | TheStig | there is some parent/child ownership issues with duratek with the taint code change |
| 02:28.49 | kaso | wait, 20003 ? wtc, has a minor patch ever got a toc number before? |
| 02:29.00 | Cairenn | kaso: yes |
| 02:29.05 | Scre3m | anyone know if wim has been patched? |
| 02:29.10 | kaso | how odd |
| 02:29.12 | Scre3m | (wow instant messenger) |
| 02:29.25 | TheStig | kaso: they changed taint code significantly so theres your reason |
| 02:29.29 | Nom- | It got a new TOC because of the UI changes |
| 02:29.40 | Nom- | They made significant enough changes to the UI to justify it |
| 02:29.42 | Cairenn | haven't noticed an update for it yet today, but it's possible someone else may have approved an update |
| 02:30.15 | Nom- | Hey, is it bad for me to have 54MB of memory used for addons after doing a GC ? :D |
| 02:30.22 | bleetah | lol @ swear word in patch notes |
| 02:30.28 | bleetah | rofl^rofl |
| 02:30.33 | TheStig | Nom-: how much system memory do you have |
| 02:30.35 | End | I do a lot of shapeshiting |
| 02:30.36 | kremonte | where? lol |
| 02:30.39 | Nom- | 1024MB |
| 02:30.44 | TheStig | you're fine i think |
| 02:30.57 | Nom- | lol i raised my memroy cap to 84MB |
| 02:31.01 | Nom- | I keep hitting it at the worst times |
| 02:31.01 | kremonte | i don't understand how people reliably get past 50MB >< |
| 02:31.12 | bleetah | *"Rune of Metamorphosis" now reduces mana cost of shape*shit*ing by a flat amount, instead of by a percentage. |
| 02:31.12 | TheStig | i lol'ed irl at the patch notes that said "Collector's Edition pets are now be blue items." |
| 02:31.27 | kremonte | bleetah: typos FTL |
| 02:31.51 | bleetah | i'm suprised it passed spellcheck... I wonder how many shapeshiters they have in dev |
| 02:32.09 | kremonte | well, do you see the size of bear ass? inside joke imo |
| 02:32.10 | bleetah | 'coz, it'd only make sense to pass spellchecking if it were a real spell ;) |
| 02:32.21 | bleetah | lol krem |
| 02:32.23 | Neuro_Medivh | maybe it's a freudian slip regarding Blizzard's opinion on Druids? |
| 02:32.38 | kremonte | don't get me started on druids <_<" |
| 02:32.43 | TheStig | yeah well CE pets are now be blue |
| 02:32.44 | bleetah | or just the whoe 'hey time to respeclawlz' |
| 02:32.47 | bleetah | *whole |
| 02:32.54 | TheStig | and all your base are belong to us |
| 02:34.23 | JoshBorke | wereHamster: ping |
| 02:36.40 | Mike-N-Go | My pet in arena attacked my team mate, lol. |
| 02:38.09 | Nom- | It's not that hard to hit 50MB of addon memory, you know |
| 02:38.32 | Nom- | AtlasLoot, Auctioneer, Enchantrix and a few others and you'll hit 30MB without too much trouble if you load enough data into them |
| 02:38.36 | Nom- | I don't even use Gatherer yet |
| 02:38.49 | bleetah | Iriel: 2.1.0 changelist up before 2.0.4? /suprise |
| 02:39.01 | Nom- | There's a 2.1.0 ??" |
| 02:39.06 | Neuro_Medivh | because there's not gonna be a 2.0.4 |
| 02:39.12 | Neuro_Medivh | next one will be 2.1.0 |
| 02:39.20 | Iriel | I'm going to be merging all the 2.0.X changes into one thread |
| 02:39.26 | Nom- | But...there's already a changelist? :/ |
| 02:39.27 | Iriel | there wont be any BIG changes before 2.1.0 |
| 02:39.39 | bleetah | ah, my bad. saw a post yesterday re: fixes for CTMod compatibility stuff and 2.0.4 |
| 02:39.54 | bleetah | was wondering what else might've been mentioned somewhere in passing, was all |
| 02:40.05 | kremonte | wake up! |
| 02:40.08 | bleetah | i'm sure I'll live with a vanilla 2.0.x :) |
| 02:40.55 | kremonte | how do i set inherits with CreateFrame? :x |
| 02:40.59 | kremonte | is it the 4th arg? |
| 02:41.05 | Nom- | heh wowi is running a smidgeon slow |
| 02:41.27 | Iriel | kremonte: Yes |
| 02:41.33 | Nom- | I know this, because it's taking a long time on my 4Gbps links at the office |
| 02:41.43 | kremonte | so CreateFrame("GameTooltip", nil, nil, "GameTooltipTemplate") should work? :x |
| 02:41.58 | Nom- | (No, i'm not joking, we have dual redundant links at 2Gbps a pop) |
| 02:42.37 | SP|Sorren | i think tooltips need names |
| 02:42.44 | kremonte | boo. |
| 02:42.50 | Mike-N-Go | Nom-: How do you know that it is 2Gbps the whole way 0.O |
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| 02:43.03 | Thrae | Tooltips only need names if you're using the template. |
| 02:43.09 | Nom- | Ah, well I know it's not |
| 02:43.11 | Thrae | The template uses $parent |
| 02:43.17 | Nom- | Let me open the network stats i'll check the international links |
| 02:43.59 | Nom- | Well a bit over a year ago we had 3Gbps international capacity :P |
| 02:44.07 | Nom- | I think it's been upgraded since hten :P |
| 02:44.38 | Nom- | Anyone know what's causing all the lag on the wowi site? |
| 02:44.49 | Nom- | Is it just the PHP, or bandwidth from downloads? |
| 02:44.58 | Thrae | Nom-: traceroute is your friend |
| 02:45.03 | Tain | Man new episode of House is f'ed up. |
| 02:45.10 | kremonte | Tain: indeed |
| 02:45.25 | Nom- | no latency, so must be the server |
| 02:45.45 | Mike-N-Go | Tain: You forgot to use a coma after your interjection! |
| 02:45.51 | Thrae | Tain: Don't tell me -- I always DVR, never watch live |
| 02:46.07 | Tain | Not going to give any specifics. |
| 02:46.13 | Thrae | Tain: I can't wait for "Didn't I tell you never to call me when I'm on trial?" |
| 02:46.41 | Nom- | coz i was going to say if was teh downloads, i believe we've got about 1TB of free space on our FTP |
| 02:46.51 | Nom- | I could probably hook yous up with some hosting on our game ftp :P |
| 02:47.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh jesus |
| 02:47.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | wild steelbloom + arathi = MY EYES |
| 02:47.42 | Mike-N-Go | I have wondered, why doe they call it "FTP" when it converts the data to text for sending it... |
| 02:47.58 | Nom- | File Transfer Protocol |
| 02:48.14 | Thrae | Mike-N-Go: FTP can use Binary or ASCII tranfers |
| 02:48.19 | Nom- | That too |
| 02:48.34 | Nom- | And normally stuff breaks if you try and transfer binary files in ASCII |
| 02:48.41 | Nom- | You have to transfer binary in binary mode |
| 02:48.43 | Mike-N-Go | I know what the acronym stands for, this just puzzles me. |
| 02:49.01 | Nom- | It does do binary transfer |
| 02:49.04 | Nom- | That's where you |
| 02:49.11 | Nom- | are getting confused (i think) |
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| 02:49.40 | Mike-N-Go | It does other file types as well. |
| 02:50.15 | Nom- | Binary and Ascii modes will allow you to transfer just about any file format |
| 02:50.21 | Nom- | Because they're either in one or the other |
| 02:54.28 | wereHamster | JoshBorke, pong :) |
| 02:55.12 | wereHamster | I'm half away.. so I may not respond as quickly as usually |
| 02:55.53 | kremonte | question, would this crash me? http://wowi.pastey.net/4830 |
| 02:56.57 | Tain | hahaha the ending made up for the whole thing. |
| 02:57.18 | kremonte | haha great ending |
| 02:57.24 | kremonte | i liked the music. |
| 02:57.51 | Tain | Actually the music in House is awesome all around. |
| 02:58.06 | Tain | Even the opening theme is fantastic. |
| 02:58.13 | kremonte | i don't normally notice it as per house being a dick, lol |
| 02:59.13 | Neuro_Medivh | that's Teardrop by Massive Attack |
| 02:59.14 | Tain | haha I still can't believe how great the ending ends up being. I absolutely will not spoil anything, but I love the implications for everything leading up to it. |
| 02:59.26 | Neuro_Medivh | pls don't, tain, I've got it tivoed |
| 02:59.26 | bleetah | so, i guess i should check this House show out.. when it makes it here.. prolly two years time |
| 02:59.46 | Neuro_Medivh | I need to watch about 3 episodes now, I stopped watching cause it was getting silly |
| 03:00.12 | kremonte | that was a pretty good episode |
| 03:00.39 | kremonte | kinda bipolar in its focus but isn't every episode like that? |
| 03:01.01 | Tain | I have to admit I was starting to think it was getting a little unbelivable, but it ends up tying together in the end. |
| 03:01.04 | Neuro_Medivh | probably follows the same formula. House is an even bigger asshole than before, but everyone takes it cause he's always right. |
| 03:01.20 | Nom- | I will have to watch it when I get home :) |
| 03:01.22 | Neuro_Medivh | Tain, sorry, but he's gone from being a misanthrope to being a sociopath |
| 03:01.34 | Neuro_Medivh | NO one is that big of an asshole and is functional |
| 03:01.54 | Tain | I was absolutely starting to agree, Neuro_Medivh |
| 03:01.57 | Neuro_Medivh | Hell, look at T.O. |
| 03:02.11 | Tain | Yeah the problem is T.O. drops the ball when it counts. |
| 03:02.19 | Neuro_Medivh | he's not even half the jerk House is, and the Eagles dumped his ass, even though he's one of the best Wide Receivers in the league |
| 03:02.30 | Neuro_Medivh | No, that's Tony Roma =) |
| 03:02.38 | Neuro_Medivh | or Troy Smith =) |
| 03:03.11 | Tain | Hey if TO had caught half of the balls he dropped this year they wouldn't have had to squeek into the playoff.s |
| 03:03.30 | Tain | He's a douchebag who didn't live up to his mouth this year. |
| 03:04.09 | Neuro_Medivh | the problem is that it's audience driven writing. The audience likes it when House is a jerk, so they make him an even bigger jerk, but in order to justify his being such an ass, they make him always 100% right in every situation |
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| 03:04.45 | Neuro_Medivh | I prefer episodes like the one in Season One where he's telling the story of three patients |
| 03:04.46 | Tain | I was hoping the Superbowl would be Cowboys vs Patriots this year, that would have made for some insane media coverage.. |
| 03:04.57 | Neuro_Medivh | I'm rooting for the Saints |
| 03:04.59 | Nom- | Neuro_Medivh: That's coz you're a softy |
| 03:05.10 | bleetah | i thought was 'advertising driven' writing.. I thought audiences had stuff all to do with it, really ;-) |
| 03:05.13 | Nom- | They're good because they give me a laugh |
| 03:05.14 | Neuro_Medivh | Nom, no, because it shows actual character development |
| 03:05.22 | Nom- | pfft |
| 03:05.32 | Nom- | I don't care about that, I watch because he's funny |
| 03:05.33 | Tain | The episode where he was talking to a class was great, where he was substituting another patient for his own leg issue |
| 03:05.40 | Neuro_Medivh | Tain, yep |
| 03:05.55 | Neuro_Medivh | Nom, but he's beyond funny now, he's just being a jerk for jerk's sake |
| 03:06.02 | Tain | (Carmen Electra was just a bonus.) |
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| 03:06.30 | Nom- | and? |
| 03:06.37 | Nom- | That's part of what makes him funny :p |
| 03:07.16 | Neuro_Medivh | it gets old though... cause you know it's just a bunch of BS, and your suspension of disbelief is broken |
| 03:07.19 | Tain | Actually the episode with John Laroquette explained him entirely. |
| 03:07.59 | Neuro_Medivh | You know, I didn't realize till a few weeks ago that Hugh Laurie was the same guy from Black Adder |
| 03:08.39 | Tain | haha what? I loved Black Adder and I didn't know that. Where? |
| 03:08.55 | Neuro_Medivh | he's in the third and fourth seasons |
| 03:09.09 | Neuro_Medivh | in the third season, he's the prince who's a complete fop |
| 03:09.12 | bleetah | yeah, Black Adder had all the fags |
| 03:09.25 | bleetah | particularly, Bob |
| 03:09.27 | Tain | Damn I can't picture him, I have to go back and look. |
| 03:09.32 | Neuro_Medivh | fourth, he's the leuitenant (sp) |
| 03:09.55 | Neuro_Medivh | well, Hugh Laurie's not gay.. that's Stephen Fry |
| 03:10.03 | Tain | That show was so awesome, so much better than Mr. Bean. |
| 03:10.05 | kaso | Hugh Laurie is awesome |
| 03:10.12 | bleetah | I said fag, not queen! :P |
| 03:10.52 | Neuro_Medivh | the show I'm looking forward to is Heroes |
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| 03:11.04 | Neuro_Medivh | which I believe starts new eps back up in a week or so |
| 03:11.13 | kahdgarxi | the next episode aires on the 22nd |
| 03:11.20 | bleetah | ugh, what's that one where Fry and .. thingie.. are the Advertising Execs... damned fine show that one |
| 03:11.31 | Neuro_Medivh | that's a friday? |
| 03:12.02 | Neuro_Medivh | I can't imagine NBC would put Heroes on a friday opposite Sci Fi channel's stuff |
| 03:12.09 | Tain | I'd like to find the asshole who decided 6 episodes and then a couple month break is a good idea... |
| 03:12.33 | Neuro_Medivh | lol, like Lost? |
| 03:12.38 | Tain | Well, honestly Sci Fi is not a competitor to NBC. |
| 03:12.39 | bleetah | .. 'Absolute Power". Stephen Fry and John Bird.. well worth it -> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0386149/ |
| 03:12.49 | Neuro_Medivh | Tain, NBC owns Sci Fi |
| 03:13.03 | Neuro_Medivh | so I can't imagine them programming against themselves |
| 03:13.18 | Neuro_Medivh | since Friday is one of Sci Fi's biggest nights these days |
| 03:13.22 | kahdgarxi | the 22nd is a Monday |
| 03:13.41 | Neuro_Medivh | is it? Bah, I got my dates mixed up then |
| 03:13.45 | Neuro_Medivh | counting is hard |
| 03:13.52 | bleetah | Black Books is another great recent comedy |
| 03:14.00 | bleetah | recent as in <7 years |
| 03:14.14 | Neuro_Medivh | BSG starts back up soon too |
| 03:14.28 | Tain | I'm just annoyed at taking any breaks. Lazy ass bastards should be putting out 52 episodes a year. |
| 03:14.42 | kahdgarxi | amen! |
| 03:14.43 | Neuro_Medivh | I like how HBO does it |
| 03:14.45 | bleetah | thanks for reminding me... since my bro gave me a broken iPod for chrissy... i'll hit him up for BSG |
| 03:15.00 | Neuro_Medivh | 13 episodes straight through |
| 03:15.13 | Neuro_Medivh | new season of Rome f.t.w. |
| 03:15.17 | kahdgarxi | 13 episodes isn't nearly enough >.> |
| 03:15.40 | Neuro_Medivh | I'll take 13 good episodes over 22 shitty ones though |
| 03:15.47 | kahdgarxi | true |
| 03:15.48 | Tain | And as much as I liked Battlestar Galactica the whole end of season saying, "One Year Later" pissed me right the hell off. |
| 03:15.57 | Neuro_Medivh | and lets face it, there's always shitty episodes in a network show |
| 03:16.05 | Neuro_Medivh | Tain, did you watch this season? |
| 03:16.13 | Neuro_Medivh | there's a massive payoff |
| 03:16.19 | Tain | I watched every episode. |
| 03:16.29 | Neuro_Medivh | Exodus Pt 2 was the win |
| 03:16.37 | Tain | The payofff isn't worth saying, "By the way we'll skip the fuck out of everything and make shit up." |
| 03:16.53 | Tain | It was a piss poor way to handle it. |
| 03:17.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh my |
| 03:17.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | [1. General] [Tw*tpumper]: Where can I join a guild that gives me money? |
| 03:17.19 | Neuro_Medivh | nah, I know why they did that... cause all that crap would have been boring |
| 03:17.33 | Tain | It was just Deus ex machnia |
| 03:17.33 | Tain | machina |
| 03:17.39 | Neuro_Medivh | of course it was |
| 03:17.52 | Neuro_Medivh | hell, half of everything is |
| 03:18.02 | Neuro_Medivh | the trick is to not make it obvious |
| 03:18.20 | Tain | And I consider that as an excuse saying, "We don't know how to do this right so we'll just cheat." |
| 03:18.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | "Wait, Landfill, i thought you were dead" |
| 03:18.50 | Neuro_Medivh | that's where I disagree, I think they were planning on doing a "settling down" part for awhile |
| 03:19.15 | Neuro_Medivh | now, Lost... that's a show that makes it up as it goes along |
| 03:19.34 | Tain | Of course it is just opinion, but I think there *is* actually plenty of story to be told in the time that they skipped ahead. |
| 03:20.12 | Tain | As for Lost... well I don't think they did a good job with season 2 and don't have much hope that they'll continue on. |
| 03:20.14 | Neuro_Medivh | I've really enjoyed this season.. I was scared it was gonna be all about the occupation all season long |
| 03:20.30 | Tain | But it's a damn shame since I think season 1 was some of the best on television. |
| 03:20.32 | Neuro_Medivh | Lost is just like Alias or Xfiles |
| 03:20.34 | Neuro_Medivh | I agree |
| 03:20.44 | Neuro_Medivh | but I knew it wouldn't last |
| 03:21.03 | Neuro_Medivh | season one was too good, there was no way the exposition could ever live up to it |
| 03:22.01 | Neuro_Medivh | but it reminds me of Xfiles. Chris Carter once admitted that there was no real overall plot to X-files, he just made it up as he went along. It was all a game of bait and switch |
| 03:22.19 | Tain | They could have, I think they just tried to make it into a bunch of seasons instead of just continuing the story. |
| 03:22.43 | Neuro_Medivh | well, that's the thing with arc-driven storylines. You need resolutions. |
| 03:22.50 | Nom- | I'm making my birthday wish list now, I want an apple iphone :D |
| 03:22.54 | Tierrie|Work | X Files was neato |
| 03:23.02 | Neuro_Medivh | either like Babylon 5, which had an overall goal |
| 03:23.11 | Tain | But XFiles at least (usually) had a somewhat standalone story each episode |
| 03:23.19 | Neuro_Medivh | or like Buffy the Vampire Slayer, which had season-long arcs |
| 03:23.43 | TheStig | anyone know anything about AVBars2? |
| 03:23.55 | Neuro_Medivh | Or like 24 |
| 03:23.58 | kaso | <Neuro_Medivh> well, that's the thing with arc-driven storylines. You need resolutions. I think if lost has taught us anything its that that's not true :> |
| 03:24.18 | Neuro_Medivh | kaso, which is why I've just about given up on Lost |
| 03:24.27 | kaso | nooo! |
| 03:24.29 | Tain | Babylon 5 suffered because it had a 5 year story which was butchered because the network said they were ending it after season 4, so JMS had to write around that, and then tehy decided to come back with season 5 anyway. |
| 03:24.37 | Neuro_Medivh | Tain, true |
| 03:24.50 | Tain | I *loved* Babylon 5. |
| 03:24.50 | Neuro_Medivh | 24 is actually the best example |
| 03:25.20 | Neuro_Medivh | it's arc-driven, but the arc resolves each season |
| 03:25.43 | Neuro_Medivh | and they wisely decided to do a straight through 24 episodes |
| 03:25.53 | Neuro_Medivh | with no 3 month break |
| 03:26.17 | wereHamster | JoshBorke, I'm gonna get some sleep.. |
| 03:26.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | Metalocalypse has the best ending of any show ever |
| 03:26.28 | Neuro_Medivh | Nah |
| 03:26.30 | Neuro_Medivh | Newhart |
| 03:26.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | i watched the last episode of metalocalypse about 20 times so far and it came out right before christmas |
| 03:27.08 | Neuro_Medivh | the ending to Newhart was hysterical |
| 03:27.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | pfft |
| 03:27.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | roadie versus military battle |
| 03:27.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | doesn't get much more epic than that |
| 03:28.10 | Neuro_Medivh | sorry, I don't smoke pot, so Metalocalypse doesn't do it for me |
| 03:28.21 | Neuro_Medivh | though for some reason I enjoy Venture bros |
| 03:29.11 | Tain | hahah Newhart did have the best ending of a show. No question. |
| 03:29.21 | Neuro_Medivh | yep |
| 03:29.36 | Neuro_Medivh | I remember seeing that and falling out of my chair laughing so hard |
| 03:29.55 | Tain | hahah yep me too. It was like, "I can't belive they did that!" |
| 03:30.13 | Tain | Someone watching it today would never even understand. |
| 03:31.42 | Neuro_Medivh | It's the standard by which all series finales are judged |
| 03:40.32 | TheStig | well kids, AV is broken |
| 03:40.45 | Neuro_Medivh | how so? |
| 03:40.57 | TheStig | the horde can cap graveyards from 50 yards away and when you exit AV via winning, you're in raid with all the people from your server who were in the AV with you |
| 03:45.10 | JoshBorke | blasted! |
| 03:45.13 | JoshBorke | i missed him because i was playing! |
| 03:45.41 | JoshBorke | ~onjoin wereHamster Hey, update cooldown AND it's dependencies :-P |
| 03:45.41 | purl | ok, JoshBorke |
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| 03:50.53 | Kirkburn | Opening event details :D http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/01/09/dark-portal-opening-event/ |
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| 03:53.40 | Nom- | TheStig: sure that's not balance? |
| 03:53.53 | Scre3m | hey folks, i need an addon that moves /o to another, seperate window |
| 03:54.05 | Nom- | I mean, how else are horde going to win |
| 03:54.11 | kahdgarxi | Scre3m - no you don't, the default UI can do it |
| 03:54.33 | Scre3m | can move /g, but no /o |
| 03:54.43 | Scre3m | seperate from /g i mean |
| 03:54.45 | Nom- | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:54.53 | Scre3m | officer channel |
| 03:54.54 | kahdgarxi | ah, i see |
| 03:55.40 | Tuller | hrm, looks like people either figure out my new stance system, or they don't and hate it |
| 03:56.37 | TheStig | Warrior no longer reenters combat when changing stance after a battle, however druid now does when shapeshifting after a battle. |
| 03:57.09 | End | do you have the furor talent? |
| 03:57.16 | TheStig | i do not |
| 03:57.22 | End | then that's a bug |
| 03:57.30 | Tuller | I still have yet to find a "nice" way of refreshing statebindings, and might have to revert to the old system because of it |
| 03:57.45 | End | furor you should go into combat after going into bear, just so your rage doesn't decay immediately |
| 03:57.58 | End | otherwise, getting put in combat like that isn't correct |
| 03:59.13 | crowbar | 2.0.3 loaded tonight and broke ClearFont - any suggestions? |
| 03:59.47 | Nom- | oh no :( |
| 03:59.55 | Nom- | <3 ClearFont |
| 04:00.03 | Scre3m | its working fine for me |
| 04:00.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | you turn on load ood addons? |
| 04:00.17 | kahdgarxi | mine's working fine too |
| 04:00.51 | crowbar | ClearFont is the only addon that I have - do I need to do something special? |
| 04:02.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | load outdated addons at the charselect screen |
| 04:02.38 | Scre3m | make sure u have the newest version |
| 04:02.51 | cladhaire | http://relevanceguild.com |
| 04:03.05 | crowbar | It has been working fine until tonight. I have the fonts scaled up at 1.5 |
| 04:03.47 | Kirkburn | *How* is it broken? |
| 04:04.45 | bleetah | it didn't make me coffee |
| 04:04.57 | bleetah | serious flaw |
| 04:05.11 | crowbar | Most of the dialog boxes are showing small text (mail,auction,quest) |
| 04:05.15 | bleetah | so, not broken. just designed by an idiot :P |
| 04:05.47 | Kirkburn | ClearFont or ClearFont2 ? |
| 04:06.14 | crowbar | ClearFont2 (12-16-06) |
| 04:06.47 | Kirkburn | All of Ace up to date? |
| 04:07.15 | crowbar | Do I have to use Ace to make this work? |
| 04:07.52 | bleetah | why do blizz insist on updating on M$ patch days :-s |
| 04:08.04 | Kirkburn | I suggest redownloading it crowbar |
| 04:08.49 | Kirkburn | I'm off to bed now, hope it gets sorted! |
| 04:08.56 | JoshBorke | nn all |
| 04:08.59 | crowbar | Thanks |
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| 04:12.17 | Bleeter | i guess blizz's forums broke, too |
| 04:13.31 | SP|Sorren | omg tauren look awesome on raptors |
| 04:14.42 | SP|Sorren | i thought it'd look wonky, but they make the raptor ravasaur size lol |
| 04:16.27 | End | yeah tauren make their mounts bigger |
| 04:16.50 | Bleeter | it's not the size of the .. nm |
| 04:28.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | and the tauren said "13 inches!" |
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| 04:43.12 | Cairenn | ZealotOnAStick: rofl @ the name |
| 04:43.56 | Cairenn | very apropos, but also very amusing |
| 04:44.46 | Bleeter | heh, apparently kruul just wiped out warsong's IF, including the king |
| 04:45.16 | Bleeter | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=64366448 |
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| 04:51.10 | ZealotOnAStick | Cairenn: it dates back to the Starcraft beta. |
| 04:51.30 | ZealotOnAStick | I was determined that day to learn how to play the Protoss effectively, and I was having a -bad- day at it. |
| 04:52.12 | Cairenn | :) |
| 04:52.46 | ZealotOnAStick | So I quit, made a new char with a fitting name for it. |
| 04:52.49 | ZealotOnAStick | Tuller around? |
| 04:52.59 | Tuller | ZealotOnAStick: yes |
| 04:53.32 | ZealotOnAStick | There happen to be a changelog for bongos I can catch somewhere since wowi's isn't current? |
| 04:53.41 | Tuller | in the zip itself :) |
| 04:53.49 | Tuller | the bongos folder has a version history |
| 04:54.15 | ZealotOnAStick | ok, will check. |
| 04:54.20 | ZealotOnAStick | thanks |
| 04:54.57 | Tuller | everything recently has been a bugfix |
| 04:55.16 | Tuller | looks like I may revert systems because the keybindings hate me |
| 04:56.17 | ZealotOnAStick | do wha? |
| 04:56.23 | ZealotOnAStick | I didn't have any problems with them. |
| 04:56.29 | ZealotOnAStick | However, I don't really do complex things much. |
| 04:58.21 | Tuller | well, they are not saving for all people, it seems |
| 05:00.15 | ZealotOnAStick | Hmm. am I going to lose my bindings going from 7.1.8b to 7.1.10? |
| 05:00.38 | Tuller | you should not |
| 05:02.05 | SP|Sorren | for some reason, speedfu shows me going at 400%+ speed in thunder bluff. |
| 05:02.14 | SP|Sorren | whoops, wrong channel ;o |
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| 05:10.01 | Tierrie | maybe you jumped off the cliff |
| 05:10.34 | Tierrie | it would be a modder that would fall off darnassus then report that he's exceeded 160% run speed |
| 05:16.42 | End | your horizontal speed dodesn't change though |
| 05:17.02 | End | and it only measure horizontal |
| 05:17.17 | Tierrie | it was an attempt at a joke :) |
| 05:17.19 | End | and I'm missing random letters in my typing |
| 05:17.35 | End | (I had to redo several words in that last sentence) |
| 05:18.00 | End | maybe I just have wacky fingers |
| 05:19.51 | End | maybe I have Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Fingers |
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| 05:31.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | :O |
| 05:31.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | the friendly draenei in the swamp of sorrows are broken and true draenei now |
| 05:31.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | and allied with exodar |
| 05:32.00 | End | interesting... |
| 05:33.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | i remember doing some quest for them back in the day |
| 05:34.05 | End | yeah same |
| 05:34.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | and they went through some portal or something |
| 05:34.11 | Shadowed | Is there a way to force WoW to save an array using the old format and not the faster one? |
| 05:34.30 | End | maybe |
| 05:34.58 | Shadowed | maybe, but you don't know? :p |
| 05:35.00 | End | actually, I doubt it |
| 05:35.32 | Shadowed | ugh |
| 05:35.54 | Shadowed | this is going to be a pain |
| 05:35.56 | End | well, as you know, the old format saved it so that it would get loaded into the hash table only |
| 05:36.44 | End | actually |
| 05:37.22 | Shadowed | Well, the issue is I have an old old DKP addon that parses out the file then uploads it....the problem is it's parsing the old format :/ |
| 05:38.09 | End | ahhh |
| 05:38.35 | End | yeah, I can't see anyway to make it save as the old hash way |
| 05:39.36 | Shadowed | Wouldn't changing all the indexes to a string type force it to save in the old hash way? May not do [1] but ["1"] should still parse |
| 05:39.49 | End | yeah |
| 05:39.58 | End | strings are always stored in the hash table portion |
| 05:40.00 | Shadowed | time to try that and pray then |
| 05:40.24 | End | ahh, interesting |
| 05:40.34 | Shadowed | if that doesn't work? cry |
| 05:45.49 | End | ok, I guess I'll have to consult the source at this point |
| 05:47.06 | Iriel | Shadowed: out of interest, why do you care? |
| 05:47.27 | Shadowed | <Shadowed> Well, the issue is I have an old old DKP addon that parses out the file then uploads it....the problem is it's parsing the old format :/ |
| 05:47.27 | Iriel | Shadowed: aha 8-) |
| 05:47.31 | Iriel | Shadowed: Well, fix it 8-) |
| 05:47.54 | End | you know what'd probably be easiest, if making them strings doesn't work? |
| 05:48.08 | End | just write a small script to rewrite each line with -- [x] as a comment |
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| 05:48.29 | Shadowed | They already have -- [1] next to them actually |
| 05:48.36 | End | yeah I know |
| 05:48.51 | Iriel | The only place the comment gets awkward is if the entries themselves are tables |
| 05:48.53 | End | I mean, rewrite it so "x", -- [1] becomes [1] = "x" |
| 05:48.54 | Iriel | since itcomes after the table |
| 05:48.58 | End | ah |
| 05:49.01 | End | I hadn't thought of that |
| 05:49.10 | ckknight | hey all |
| 05:49.15 | End | hihi |
| 05:49.16 | Shadowed | it's mostly the fact that it was written in delphin (which I don't know), and the person who made it was the kind of programmer that you'd go crazy trying to figure out his code |
| 05:49.25 | Cairenn | hi ckknight |
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| 05:50.06 | End | isn't delphi some sort of pascal? |
| 05:50.18 | End | (or did you really mean delphin...?) |
| 05:50.27 | bleetah | i thought it was a fish |
| 05:50.35 | Shadowed | err, the programming language sorry |
| 05:50.41 | Kirov | delphi? |
| 05:50.51 | End | apparently delphin is a german midget submarine |
| 05:51.01 | Shadowed | yes, Delphi :p |
| 05:51.13 | Kirov | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delphi_programming_language |
| 05:51.18 | bleetah | some german guy wrote it inside a submarine? |
| 05:51.24 | bleetah | no wonder you can't understand it |
| 05:51.24 | End | apparently |
| 05:51.31 | Shadowed | wouldn't suprise me |
| 05:51.33 | End | some -crazy- german guy |
| 05:51.44 | Kirov | a crazy german midgit in a submarine |
| 05:51.54 | Thunder_Child | hey, submarines are fun..nothing wrong with writing code in one |
| 05:51.55 | Kirov | That's hardcore |
| 05:52.55 | Shadowed | Anything's possible |
| 05:53.06 | End | even the magic space castle |
| 05:53.06 | bleetah | was he tuna friendly? |
| 05:53.25 | Tierrie | i eat tuna |
| 05:53.41 | Kirov | Anything except for the company behind The Phantom console actually releasing any product |
| 05:53.54 | Shadowed | haha |
| 05:54.20 | End | it was a very well named console though |
| 05:54.24 | End | :) |
| 05:54.33 | Kirov | This is true |
| 05:54.36 | Tierrie | whats the new TOC? |
| 05:54.40 | Kirov | 20003 |
| 05:55.05 | Kirov | Supposedly some 60 million has been sunk in to that company with out anything to show for it. |
| 05:55.23 | Kirov | And that was 2 years ago |
| 05:55.35 | Shadowed | 60 million? |
| 05:56.18 | Shadowed | "Phantom Entertainment has lost more than $62.7 million since its creation in its efforts to create the Phantom Console" |
| 05:56.25 | End | I'm reading the wikipedia article, and the proposed parts were pretty much just off the shelf parts |
| 05:56.37 | End | although, a bit old at this point |
| 05:56.52 | Kirov | End - aye, it would of been slightly more powerful than an XBox |
| 05:58.20 | Kirov | Game Tap basically did what Phantom originally promised as far as their games |
| 05:58.40 | Kirov | ie: download games direct to drive and play them |
| 06:01.11 | Kirov | I did actually see and play a "real" phantom. |
| 06:01.34 | Shadowed | How were the graphics! |
| 06:02.03 | Kirov | By real I mean they had a pretty plastic thing with a regular pc hidden in the box under it. |
| 06:02.09 | Shadowed | lol |
| 06:02.17 | Kirov | Playing on a big screen, low res, low refresh rate tv |
| 06:02.22 | End | for 60 million dollars, I could do that too |
| 06:02.36 | Kirov | Played UT 2k3 on it, played decently enough, though at an obviously low res. |
| 06:02.43 | Kirov | And it hitched still |
| 06:02.49 | Kirov | Load times were bad, even for UT |
| 06:03.08 | Kirov | I did like the keyboard and mouse, which is about the only thing they seem to have done right |
| 06:06.12 | Kirov | My favorite part of the whole phantom debacle was when they tried to sue the hardware site HardOCP for defacement |
| 06:06.57 | Kirov | Aparently after HardOCP posted their article on them, the company's investors started actually looking at the company and realized it wasn't doing shit. |
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| 06:08.56 | Kirov | Of all the companies the original founder of Phantom Entertainment has run, Phantom has actually lost the least amount of money. |
| 06:09.16 | End | investors need to do their research |
| 06:09.24 | Shadowed | Annnd apparently the parser is picky enough to require actual numbers and not strings for indexes |
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| 06:10.24 | Tierrie | why are you talking about the phantom kirov? did something happen>? did it shut down? |
| 06:10.45 | Shadowed | We went from submarines, to germans, to the phantom console |
| 06:10.45 | Tierrie | oh i scrolled up |
| 06:10.54 | Tierrie | irc is quite unlike walking into a real life conversation |
| 06:11.02 | End | it started when Shadowed said delphin instead of delphi |
| 06:11.16 | Shadowed | lies |
| 06:11.18 | End | and we took it from there :P |
| 06:12.38 | Tierrie | I'm surprised there are people with millions that can afford to throw them around like that |
| 06:12.54 | Kirov | Tierre - what do you think most of them do with it? |
| 06:12.56 | Shadowed | more like |
| 06:13.07 | Shadowed | suprised there are people stupid enough to throw money around like that :p |
| 06:15.47 | Tierrie | i'd hang out with chicks and become batman |
| 06:16.29 | Kirov | Here's the average investor - His parents are filthy rich from a company his grandfather created. He hasn't worked a day in his life, but gets an "allowance" of a couple tens of thousands a month ... Along comes a guy who can talk the talk and throws out a lot of buzz words said investor has been hearing on tv and in movies. Investor gives guy tons of money and praises the company as being the latest greatest thing and how much m |
| 06:16.46 | Tierrie | hey i know a guy like that |
| 06:16.53 | Tierrie | he weighed at least 250 and is ugly as shit |
| 06:16.59 | Tierrie | and he collects trust fund money |
| 06:17.12 | Cairenn | night guys |
| 06:17.19 | Shadowed | night cair |
| 06:17.26 | End | night Cairenn|afk |
| 06:17.31 | Kirov | 1-2 years later, investor has dumped shit loads of money in to nothing, most of it has been spent on cigars and private boating trips by the talker, investor starts to wonder if something isn't right. |
| 06:19.08 | Kirov | Investor finds new toy to dump money in, gets mad he hasn't gotten anything back from the first guy, sues the shit out of him (loosing more money since the other guy has none left after all those boating vacations and the cost of lawyers), and goes to dump more of his parents' money in to something else worthless |
| 06:20.26 | Kirov | There are people who's main goal in life is to make a company that, while ultimately worthless, looks good enough to sell to someone else too dumb to look deep in to it and run off with the money. |
| 06:21.08 | Kirov | These people usually then run out of money since all they do is spend it all as fast as possible then rinse, repeat. |
| 06:23.05 | Tierrie | well i doubt this guy will |
| 06:23.08 | Tierrie | he plays EQ all day long |
| 06:24.08 | Kirov | And some day he's going to find some freakishly hot wife. |
| 06:24.19 | Tierrie | not sure about this guy -- name is Lawrence |
| 06:24.35 | Tierrie | but i know another one who was 25 when he married a hot blonde chick and he was butt ugly and didn't work |
| 06:24.39 | Tierrie | he was fit though |
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| 06:24.43 | Shadowed | hot wife who wants his money is what he meant |
| 06:26.29 | Tierrie | yeah |
| 06:26.38 | Tierrie | and by "know" i mean I have met this person who probably doesn't remember my name |
| 06:29.00 | Tierrie | god i wish I was a trust fund kid |
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| 06:44.39 | Matholum | hi everyone! |
| 06:44.59 | Kirov | eek |
| 06:45.20 | Matholum | are you running from me? -_- |
| 06:46.11 | Matholum | sadness... no one wants to talk to me... lol |
| 06:47.13 | Cairenn|afk | overwhelming cheerfulness of doom! |
| 06:47.38 | Cairenn|afk | oh, right, I'm sleeping right now ... disregard |
| 06:47.50 | Matholum | lol |
| 06:50.22 | Matholum | dunno who is all out there, but since no one is acting like they are there, i am gonna goto bed.... |
| 06:50.25 | Matholum | cya! |
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| 06:52.24 | Dhraga | Yaaawn... Morning all |
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| 07:00.12 | AnduinLothar | we all surviving the patch? |
| 07:00.28 | pastamancer | I survived unscathed |
| 07:00.37 | Kirov | I want to go watch TV |
| 07:02.14 | Shadowed | Except for having to write a java app to reparse a savedvar file to be uploaded from another EXE, yes |
| 07:02.43 | Tierrie | whats a synonym for "type" since type is a reserved word |
| 07:02.50 | Tierrie | besides class which I already used :( |
| 07:02.54 | Shadowed | varType! |
| 07:02.56 | pastamancer | kind |
| 07:03.00 | pastamancer | variety |
| 07:03.46 | Bleeter | flavor |
| 07:04.05 | Kirov | input text |
| 07:04.05 | pastamancer | ooh, I like flavor |
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| 07:17.36 | T0nyD | KarlThePagan: you awake? |
| 07:17.51 | KarlThePagan | yes |
| 07:19.09 | KarlThePagan | sup T0nyD ? |
| 07:20.25 | AnduinLothar | sup basic |
| 07:20.57 | T0nyD | Error: AceComm-2.0: Cannot call `SetCommPrefix' more than once. |
| 07:20.57 | KarlThePagan | yo wh |
| 07:20.57 | T0nyD | AddOn: Grouper |
| 07:20.57 | T0nyD | File: Quixote-1.0.lua |
| 07:20.58 | T0nyD | Line: 98 |
| 07:21.11 | KarlThePagan | T0nyD, remove the Quixote embed that's in Grouper :( |
| 07:21.17 | T0nyD | k |
| 07:21.20 | KarlThePagan | it's an AceComm/AceLibrary bug |
| 07:21.22 | KarlThePagan | ck knows |
| 07:21.24 | T0nyD | ahh |
| 07:21.36 | ckknight | I know all! |
| 07:21.39 | KarlThePagan | if the wiki was up... well it's on my list ;) |
| 07:21.46 | AnduinLothar | know how to fix the bug? |
| 07:21.58 | T0nyD | ckknight: so why doesn't musicstream work anymore? |
| 07:22.16 | ckknight | Blizz disabled internet links in PlayMusic |
| 07:22.25 | T0nyD | bastards |
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| 07:22.31 | ckknight | AnduinLothar: yea, but I'm watching Little Miss Sunshine |
| 07:22.39 | KarlThePagan | heh |
| 07:22.39 | T0nyD | anyone know why? |
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| 07:22.58 | KarlThePagan | potential for buffer overflows |
| 07:23.00 | T0nyD | is there a comprehensive list of changes? |
| 07:23.02 | KarlThePagan | that's my bet |
| 07:23.12 | T0nyD | i notice dark irn ore stacks in 20's now |
| 07:23.42 | T0nyD | noticed THAT one accidentally as I ttried to switch 4 of em with 10 of em in my bank |
| 07:24.06 | AnduinLothar | why does curse say mt favorite AutoTravel was updated.. |
| 07:24.23 | Elkano | hm... comment posted? |
| 07:24.49 | AnduinLothar | that all it takes? |
| 07:25.10 | Elkano | maybe, at least it did when they started v3 |
| 07:25.22 | AnduinLothar | eww |
| 07:25.44 | AnduinLothar | why doesn't it jsut show MY addons when they're commented on |
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| 07:26.23 | KarlThePagan | elk I think I fixed all my embed issues with grouper finally ;) |
| 07:26.39 | AnduinLothar | removed ace? |
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| 07:27.20 | KarlThePagan | lol |
| 07:27.22 | KarlThePagan | :P |
| 07:27.39 | Esamynn | well, that would solve any embed issues you were having :P |
| 07:28.05 | AnduinLothar | that always fixes all MY problems |
| 07:28.34 | AnduinLothar | just tell peopel to disable the libs and they stop getting errors |
| 07:32.25 | krka | w00t, AutoTravel is updated? cool |
| 07:33.14 | krka | haha: AutoTravel |
| 07:33.15 | krka | Last updated 37 years ago |
| 07:33.40 | pastamancer | poor poor autotravel |
| 07:41.04 | Dhraga | So any warlock that been testing the felguard dmg output nerf in this patch yet ? |
| 07:43.03 | berg_x1 | i have a bit. |
| 07:43.05 | Dhraga | apparently not ;) |
| 07:43.09 | Dhraga | Oh :P |
| 07:43.19 | Dhraga | Any big change ? |
| 07:43.21 | berg_x1 | went into uldaman with a friend to get to changer |
| 07:43.31 | berg_x1 | it use to hit in 400=500 a lot |
| 07:43.41 | berg_x1 | in the run in i got 3 hits above 300 and one above 400 |
| 07:43.59 | Dhraga | Was that the cleave dmg or the normal hits ? |
| 07:44.20 | berg_x1 | just i rmember getting 400+ a lot before and rare now.. - not scientific sorry :) |
| 07:44.26 | berg_x1 | id say its down a good 20% plus |
| 07:44.36 | berg_x1 | but i also noticed the fixed the reduced damage to him - he definitely takes damage better |
| 07:44.59 | Dhraga | ah thats good |
| 07:45.32 | Tierrie | hey i can use the beta client right? |
| 07:45.41 | Tierrie | because i definitely prefer the beta client to the WoW client |
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| 07:56.00 | xlvii | does anyone know if blade flurry and slice and dice stack? |
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| 08:09.45 | Tierrie | yes |
| 08:09.51 | Tierrie | but multiplicatively |
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| 08:12.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o194/Manta2015/Plastic.jpg |
| 08:12.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | O_O |
| 08:14.26 | Tierrie | nifty before and after pix |
| 08:16.16 | xlvii | http://img.4chan.org/b/res/18780928.html < legendary! |
| 08:22.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm scared to click a 4chan link |
| 08:22.36 | Nom- | What's in there |
| 08:22.45 | Nom- | I assume it's an electronic device of some kind |
| 08:22.51 | Nom- | ipod or iphone or soemethign? |
| 08:23.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | its /b/ so i'm afraid |
| 08:23.44 | xlvii | it's fine.. |
| 08:23.48 | xlvii | it's directly to my thread, so |
| 08:23.54 | xlvii | it's the new iphone |
| 08:23.59 | xlvii | and a guy looking funny at it, lol. |
| 08:24.28 | Nom- | hehe |
| 08:24.33 | Nom- | I want an iPhone too :~( |
| 08:24.34 | xlvii | leave comments |
| 08:24.36 | xlvii | push to top! |
| 08:24.41 | Nom- | I'm going to save up for one |
| 08:24.46 | Nom- | Anyway, it's knock-off time |
| 08:24.57 | Nom- | So bbs ttyl cya laterz and stuff like that |
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| 09:46.58 | TheStig | anyone have any AB/AV timers working? |
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| 09:49.31 | Elkano | Capping |
| 09:49.38 | TheStig | es |
| 09:49.40 | TheStig | yes |
| 09:50.35 | TheStig | this AVBars2 mod on your buff bar is giving a parent / child error about cannot belong to self |
| 09:51.17 | TheStig | before trying to fix it myself i thought i'd ask here first lol |
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| 09:51.56 | TheStig | [string "GVTooltip:Onload"]:2: GVTooltip: SetOwner(); Can't set owner to self |
| 09:53.53 | kremonte | i can't get setowner to work either :/ |
| 09:53.56 | VoidRaider|afk | Well I think the second param is nil, that's why you're getting the error |
| 09:54.12 | AnduinLothar | set it to UIParent |
| 09:54.24 | kremonte | what about worldframe? :P |
| 09:54.29 | AnduinLothar | w/e |
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| 09:55.15 | VoidRaider|afk | Yeah might be the 1st param, most likely I suppose |
| 09:56.59 | TheStig | line 334: attempted to index global 'GV_Faction' (a nil value) |
| 09:57.16 | TheStig | wait hold on |
| 09:57.35 | VoidRaider|afk | Change it to this GVTooltip:SetOwner(UIParent, Addon_Anchor); |
| 09:58.11 | TheStig | GVTooltip exists nowhere in the lua lol |
| 09:58.59 | TheStig | in xml file <GameTooltip name="GVTooltip" inherits="GameTooltipTemplate"> |
| 09:59.09 | kremonte | in the OnLoad tag |
| 09:59.15 | VoidRaider|afk | Go to the OnLoad and just set it then |
| 09:59.16 | kremonte | is there something aboot it? |
| 09:59.31 | TheStig | this:SetOwner(this, "ANCHOR_NONE"); |
| 09:59.41 | TheStig | this:RegisterEvent("VARIABLES_LOADED"); |
| 09:59.42 | VoidRaider|afk | GVTooltip:SetOwner(UIParent, "Anchor_NONE"); |
| 10:00.40 | VoidRaider|afk | this:SetOwner(UIParent, "ANCHOR_NONE"); |
| 10:01.05 | kremonte | question, where is the port in/out of exodar? or azuremyst isle |
| 10:01.07 | TheStig | on it, let me see what happens |
| 10:01.13 | TheStig | kremonte: auberdine |
| 10:01.20 | TheStig | north dock - big purple boat can't miss it |
| 10:01.31 | TheStig | ok no errors let me load up a BG and see wat happens |
| 10:01.36 | TheStig | btw thanks for that void |
| 10:01.43 | kremonte | sankyu stig |
| 10:01.45 | VoidRaider | Np mate :) |
| 10:01.55 | TheStig | 39 haha |
| 10:01.57 | TheStig | you speak jp? |
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| 10:03.07 | kremonte | logged onto live server using beta client :O but wow doesn't think i have beta installed |
| 10:03.20 | kremonte | i wanted to go whore netherweave and make jawesome bandages! |
| 10:03.50 | TheStig | how much health restored on heavy netherweave |
| 10:03.50 | kremonte | 3600 i think |
| 10:03.55 | TheStig | wow |
| 10:04.09 | axxo | not that much tbh |
| 10:04.21 | kremonte | yea, considering health scales rapidly |
| 10:04.28 | TheStig | what about mobhealth? |
| 10:04.47 | kremonte | mobhealth isn't too different |
| 10:04.49 | kremonte | they die normally :p |
| 10:04.54 | TheStig | really? |
| 10:04.59 | TheStig | that's pretty funny |
| 10:05.02 | kremonte | doesn't take a year to kill mobs no |
| 10:05.10 | TheStig | people are like elite creeps then |
| 10:05.15 | kremonte | nah |
| 10:05.21 | kremonte | the mobs aren't that easy, they're just not like elites |
| 10:05.29 | kremonte | you won't be grinding on mobs for 3 mins a fight :p |
| 10:05.44 | TheStig | oh good |
| 10:06.14 | TheStig | so like 20 seconds tops? |
| 10:06.26 | kremonte | depends how much gear you have going into it |
| 10:06.40 | kremonte | 20 seconds if you're in raid gear, but most mobs are a good 35-40 secs |
| 10:06.52 | TheStig | pvp epics |
| 10:07.04 | TheStig | Marshal's / Field Marshal's |
| 10:07.08 | TheStig | and a GM weapon |
| 10:07.08 | kremonte | 25-30 :p |
| 10:07.13 | TheStig | hehe |
| 10:07.21 | kremonte | the mobs have more HP than on azeroth but not drastically |
| 10:07.41 | kremonte | same old grinding rly |
| 10:07.44 | axxo | they're kinda smarter tho |
| 10:07.46 | TheStig | what about scaling do the mobs scale up tremendously? |
| 10:07.53 | axxo | but not noticeable |
| 10:08.24 | TheStig | man honor just rolled over and my buddy was 200 honor short of his last FM piece |
| 10:08.29 | TheStig | he is pissed |
| 10:08.39 | axxo | i've had that happen :) |
| 10:08.45 | TheStig | on my shoulders |
| 10:08.47 | kremonte | why is he pissed, it's 5am, it usually resets half an hour ago :/ |
| 10:08.50 | TheStig | i was 2 god damned honor short |
| 10:08.58 | axxo | was like 54 short of 45000 |
| 10:09.14 | Corrodias | "rolled over"? |
| 10:09.19 | kremonte | i was 200 short of my boots, so i did an AB. we won and honorfu said i got 250 or so |
| 10:09.22 | kremonte | so i went to sleep |
| 10:09.34 | kremonte | i woke up and i was 12 short, so when i was farming i killed everyone i could find |
| 10:09.38 | TheStig | Corrodias: thats what we say when the honor total for the day pools into your total honor earned and resets to 0 for the day |
| 10:09.42 | kremonte | ingame est honor said i got 35 honor |
| 10:09.46 | kremonte | i woke up and i was 1 honor short |
| 10:09.49 | TheStig | by we i mean my friend and i |
| 10:09.57 | Corrodias | okay... what's bad about that? |
| 10:10.12 | Corrodias | can you only buy items with today's honor? |
| 10:10.24 | TheStig | he was short by like 200 honor to get his last piece of FM gear ;) |
| 10:10.45 | Corrodias | is there any reason he can't just play a couple more games, get 200 honor, and then do whatever he wants to do? |
| 10:10.58 | TheStig | nono his pool was like 17000 for today, he went and ground up about 3500 honor and was short 200 afterwards due to HK's being improperly calculated etc. |
| 10:11.18 | TheStig | he doesn't want to play now because honor rolled |
| 10:11.22 | Corrodias | i still don't understand |
| 10:11.28 | TheStig | so he can't buy his item until 5am est tomorrow |
| 10:11.31 | TheStig | or 4:30 whatever |
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| 10:11.38 | kremonte | improperly calculated? it says estimated for a reason, heh |
| 10:11.43 | Corrodias | oh, you can't buy things with today's honor |
| 10:12.00 | TheStig | kremonte: i mean he improperly calculated it, he ws so close to his item he was trying to keep track of bad HK honor |
| 10:12.07 | kremonte | ah |
| 10:12.31 | TheStig | and EVERY 30 seconds i hear this stupid bell sound for the BG queue |
| 10:12.34 | TheStig | and its making me very upset |
| 10:12.44 | kremonte | :/ |
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| 10:12.51 | Garthnait | good morning |
| 10:13.17 | TheStig | morning |
| 10:13.18 | Garthnait | Do i have to change the .toc with the new patch? |
| 10:13.26 | VoidRaider | yup |
| 10:13.32 | TheStig | load out of date addons if you just want to play |
| 10:13.39 | Garthnait | is there a working ToC Changer? |
| 10:13.45 | TheStig | 20003 is teh new one |
| 10:13.58 | Corrodias | ...notepad.exe? |
| 10:14.05 | kremonte | TOC changers are EVIL |
| 10:14.10 | TheStig | i had to change the toc on like 20 different ones |
| 10:14.11 | kremonte | TOCs are there for a reason |
| 10:14.14 | TheStig | with edit.com |
| 10:14.15 | Garthnait | i have 150 AddOns in my WoW Game ^^ |
| 10:14.16 | VoidRaider | haha |
| 10:14.18 | kremonte | you don't have to change the toc -_-" |
| 10:14.25 | kremonte | you check the 'enable out of date addons' checkbox |
| 10:14.30 | TheStig | Garthnait: load out of date addons |
| 10:14.35 | Garthnait | okay ^^ |
| 10:14.50 | kremonte | changing the toc eliminates the purpose of them :/ |
| 10:14.56 | TheStig | and get ready for a thousand "parent / child" errors |
| 10:15.09 | Corrodias | i've never heard of a "parent / child" error |
| 10:15.09 | TheStig | if you have 150 addons |
| 10:15.13 | TheStig | lol |
| 10:15.18 | TheStig | thats what i'm calling this issue |
| 10:15.22 | VoidRaider | Find & Replace works good in Visual Studio haha or text search :P |
| 10:15.28 | Corrodias | i also run 150 addons with no conflicts |
| 10:15.30 | TheStig | where the addon cannot be its own parent |
| 10:15.47 | TheStig | err owner |
| 10:15.49 | Corrodias | they don't depend on themselves |
| 10:15.57 | TheStig | lol |
| 10:16.22 | VoidRaider | A frame cannot be parent to itself |
| 10:16.28 | TheStig | yeah |
| 10:16.33 | TheStig | that's the issue |
| 10:16.40 | Corrodias | what does that have to do with having a large number of addons? |
| 10:16.47 | TheStig | some of the addons i had |
| 10:16.55 | TheStig | were somehow parent to themselves |
| 10:17.08 | VoidRaider | lol :P |
| 10:17.11 | TheStig | and upon logging in, they went haywire |
| 10:17.15 | Corrodias | you mean frames? okay, but is that a new thing with 2.0.3? |
| 10:17.44 | TheStig | i think it relates to the taint code or the ui changes |
| 10:17.56 | VoidRaider | Dunno, to me it's weird these addons worked pre-patch haha |
| 10:18.07 | Corrodias | you haven't answered my question |
| 10:18.24 | TheStig | tbh i don't know the answer |
| 10:18.48 | TheStig | having 150 addons ups the chance to have one that was a parent to itself |
| 10:18.55 | TheStig | thus upping the chance to get errors |
| 10:19.06 | kremonte | TheStig: are you talking about tooltips setting OWNER to themselves? |
| 10:19.07 | TheStig | that was my only.. logic for saying that |
| 10:19.16 | TheStig | yes that issue |
| 10:19.25 | kremonte | that's not parent, and tooltips have done that for quite awhile :P |
| 10:20.01 | TheStig | weird it only started today lol |
| 10:20.04 | Corrodias | so you're saying there's a new restriction that popped up somewhere between 2.0.1 and 2.0.3 that frames can no longer be parents of themselves, and some addons are having trouble with it? |
| 10:20.06 | kremonte | yea, today was patch day |
| 10:20.20 | kremonte | Corrodias: the issue was with tooltips setting owner to themselves |
| 10:20.39 | Corrodias | so you're saying there's a new restriction that popped up somewhere between 2.0.1 and 2.0.3 that tooltips can no longer be owners of themselves, and some addons are having trouble with it? |
| 10:20.45 | kremonte | lol, yup |
| 10:20.51 | VoidRaider | yeah |
| 10:20.57 | Corrodias | you're just a jolly bunch of fellows, aren't you? |
| 10:21.00 | kremonte | because tooltips arbitrarily needed an owner, whether or not it was themselves |
| 10:21.19 | Corrodias | interesting |
| 10:21.27 | kremonte | so people decided, hey make it themself that way less problems. and now the less problems has kinda, turned around. |
| 10:21.30 | TheStig | i don't know much about it, i only got past a small amount of visual basic and C++ (went over my head) in secondary |
| 10:21.39 | TheStig | but, i do know enough to know how to do a bit here and there |
| 10:21.40 | VoidRaider | Again, it's weird it worked but then I again I never set an object to itself :P |
| 10:22.55 | kremonte | it'd be wierd if it was parent, but nah not really |
| 10:23.30 | VoidRaider | Let the errors have a party, just done updating the client :D |
| 10:25.32 | VoidRaider | kremonte what do you mean ? it'd be weird if it was a parent, a parent of whom ? ... if I get you right it's the opposite way around |
| 10:26.17 | kremonte | VoidRaider: the objects weren't setting themselves as their parents, just owners - which is a much different thing |
| 10:28.17 | VoidRaider | ok, so basically a tooltip could be a parant and a child of itself that's logical |
| 10:28.30 | VoidRaider | Really logical :P |
| 10:28.34 | kremonte | no, they were NOT being set as parents or children of themselves |
| 10:28.42 | Corrodias | you really need to -read- what he's saying |
| 10:28.45 | VoidRaider | So explain me what they were ? |
| 10:28.52 | kremonte | Owner, a very different thing |
| 10:28.59 | VoidRaider | Explain |
| 10:29.43 | VoidRaider | Corrodias I read and I understood, explain me what it means, what a Owner means |
| 10:29.53 | Corrodias | that i don't know |
| 10:29.54 | kremonte | when you setowner something, you set the frame (where it's centered on) and the anchor point |
| 10:30.17 | kremonte | so if you don't plan on showing a tooltip - ie just for scanning, you could arbitrarily setowner to itself |
| 10:30.37 | kremonte | the reason they had setowner at all was because tooltips need a setowner |
| 10:31.20 | VoidRaider | I know, when you set an anchor point you basically set this frame relatively to this frame so how can a frame be relative to itself, explain me the logic behind |
| 10:31.36 | kremonte | the tooltips were never being shown, they were just being used for scanning |
| 10:31.51 | kremonte | so they were set to themselves to avoid giving other frames responsibility |
| 10:32.03 | VoidRaider | oh, now that's a different story :) |
| 10:36.18 | TheStig | wtf |
| 10:36.19 | TheStig | in the bg |
| 10:36.24 | TheStig | we pulled drek in RECORD TIME |
| 10:36.27 | TheStig | and the horde still won |
| 10:36.45 | TheStig | 12min total didn't fight a single horde the whole time and they won |
| 10:37.22 | VoidRaider | Horde FTW! :P |
| 10:37.33 | TheStig | its ok i'm gonna roll horde in a few days |
| 10:37.40 | VoidRaider | Haha :D |
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| 10:38.01 | TheStig | i have no obligations here so |
| 10:38.04 | TheStig | i might as well |
| 10:39.17 | VoidRaider | :D |
| 10:39.19 | TheStig | plus on my server horde are guarding the portal and the quest NPC so i doubt any allies will be getting in for a time to come |
| 10:39.36 | VoidRaider | Haha :D |
| 10:39.51 | VoidRaider | I expect it to be the opposite way around |
| 10:39.54 | TheStig | we have like a 2:1 horde/ally on demon soul |
| 10:40.09 | VoidRaider | The alliance on my realm, you don't want to know them :P |
| 10:40.18 | TheStig | why's that |
| 10:40.53 | TheStig | most alliance are whiny little kids who do nothing but beg for coin all day or run you through some instance for 2g that they begged off another person |
| 10:40.53 | VoidRaider | You know Memento mori ? |
| 10:41.02 | TheStig | sounds familiar |
| 10:41.23 | VoidRaider | It's one of the biggest and best guild in WoW |
| 10:41.35 | TheStig | or have you run them through some instance |
| 10:41.41 | TheStig | err haha |
| 10:41.46 | TheStig | let me say that again |
| 10:41.51 | VoidRaider | They are the one who killed most of the bosses 1st :) |
| 10:42.05 | TheStig | Most alliance are whiny little kids who do nothing but beg for coin all day or beg you to run them through some instance for 2g that they begged off another person |
| 10:42.08 | TheStig | really |
| 10:42.20 | TheStig | where is their site and what server is this? |
| 10:42.41 | snurre | 1st on your realm, anyhow |
| 10:42.47 | VoidRaider | WoW Eu "Frostmane" |
| 10:42.52 | snurre | memento mori hasnt been in the top since bwl |
| 10:42.56 | VoidRaider | No 1st in the world :) |
| 10:43.05 | TheStig | ah |
| 10:43.12 | VoidRaider | Well they are one of the biggest guilds |
| 10:43.47 | TheStig | well on demon soul (opened in may) we have absolutely NO T3 - no one has even been in naxx since Denial left in september, a few people have T2 on alliance, horde is either decked out T2 or HWL |
| 10:43.52 | VoidRaider | http://www.wow-mm.com/ |
| 10:44.11 | TheStig | and most alliance "raid" guilds are T1 or less |
| 10:44.31 | TheStig | the ones with a few T2 hangout in IF all day cause their guilds disbanded or went lame since november |
| 10:44.37 | TheStig | and that's the story on that |
| 10:44.55 | TheStig | if you want to lvl up in STV as ally on DS i hope you brought hankerchiefs |
| 10:44.59 | TheStig | cause you will be QQ all day |
| 10:45.15 | VoidRaider | :D |
| 10:46.35 | TheStig | see i wish i hadn't rolled ally on DS |
| 10:46.41 | TheStig | cause DS is the place to be if you wanna roll BE |
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| 10:52.59 | VoidRaider | I was an ally for like 1 year, I hate IronForge so much so I told my friends that I don't the mentality and overall the place luckily they wanted to move on too so we migrated until we found the server we felt more comfortable with, however I think that the thing with the horde is better assumption is just a feeling that the grass is greener in the other side. :) |
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| 10:53.58 | TheStig | actually the grass looks much more bland over there, but i digress |
| 10:54.05 | VoidRaider | haha :D |
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| 10:55.22 | TheStig | i just see more comradery with horde players |
| 10:57.42 | VoidRaider | I remember the attack on the Terran Mill when I was an ally, it was so funny, I asked a paladin to heal me and he said healing costs money although he said he can cover up for me and we were at the same group :P |
| 10:58.21 | TheStig | healing costs money? wtf |
| 10:58.54 | VoidRaider | yeah he open the trade window :P |
| 10:59.07 | TheStig | lmao |
| 10:59.21 | TheStig | that's... yeah |
| 10:59.37 | TheStig | i have more horde friends on DS than i do alliance |
| 10:59.54 | TheStig | on the official blizz forums we have a thread that tells IRC chat chan for the server |
| 11:00.15 | TheStig | i went there and spent some time to get to know people and of course they're mostly horde in there |
| 11:00.23 | VoidRaider | That's the same time I was ok, what am I doing here and I rerolled, in the Hordes however, at least in my server, I never seen a shaman or a druid even, that haven't healed me :P |
| 11:00.33 | TheStig | well now i can say if i level an alt i probably wont' be harmed in STV unless its someone leveling there too |
| 11:00.50 | VoidRaider | haha :D |
| 11:01.26 | TheStig | also, i remember when my RL buddy and i were leveling in WS east of everlook on those fulrbog |
| 11:01.38 | TheStig | i told him "my friend taker is coming to kill you and dance with me i hope you're ready" |
| 11:01.44 | VoidRaider | But again I guess that when you're going a to realm and no one knows you it's a problem :) |
| 11:01.53 | TheStig | the guild we were in at the time were at war with his guild Grim Riders and taker specifically |
| 11:02.03 | TheStig | so he thought i was joking... |
| 11:02.09 | TheStig | taker arives, kills my buddy |
| 11:02.12 | TheStig | starts dancing with me |
| 11:02.15 | TheStig | smiles and waves |
| 11:02.27 | TheStig | my buddy was like what the f--- just happened |
| 11:02.31 | VoidRaider | But my experience with "Frostmane" Eu is just awesome realm :) |
| 11:02.40 | VoidRaider | haha |
| 11:03.12 | Nom- | hmmmm |
| 11:03.16 | Nom- | TrinityBars is broke :/ |
| 11:03.46 | VoidRaider | yeah I'm fixing Bertender until an update would be available :/ |
| 11:04.00 | TheStig | bongos works fine lol |
| 11:04.06 | VoidRaider | Haha :D |
| 11:04.18 | VoidRaider | It has cooldown on though ? |
| 11:04.20 | TheStig | does anyone know what people use to get their action bar buttons turn into circles? |
| 11:04.31 | TheStig | i am using OmniCooldownCount !OmniCC |
| 11:04.35 | TheStig | it works |
| 11:04.41 | VoidRaider | :P |
| 11:04.46 | Nom- | ah cool there is an updated version of TrinityBars |
| 11:04.47 | Nom- | Here we go |
| 11:05.20 | Nom- | I used to use Bartender, but Bartender3 sucks big time |
| 11:05.36 | Nom- | Primarily it's the paging I hate, i like to Shift-1, Shift-2 between tabs |
| 11:05.53 | VoidRaider | :/ |
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| 11:06.28 | Nom- | I mean, I don't want to have to hold down a modifier key to access my aoe or fire pages, that sucks :/ |
| 11:06.43 | TheStig | i use bongos cause it has stance pages for druid and warrior |
| 11:06.50 | TheStig | so i just shift and pages auto change |
| 11:07.04 | groll | TheKarn for circles cycircled |
| 11:07.28 | kremonte | cycircled ftw |
| 11:08.37 | groll | http://www.break.com/index/girl_dumped_live_on_the_radio.html lawl |
| 11:09.54 | Nom- | hmmm my trinitybars is broke |
| 11:09.56 | TheStig | do you have to use cycircled with nurfed? |
| 11:10.01 | Nom- | I don't have the mini-map button :/ |
| 11:10.59 | kremonte | TheStig: have to? |
| 11:11.14 | TheStig | i mean can i use it with bongos lol |
| 11:11.19 | kremonte | yes |
| 11:11.22 | TheStig | sweet |
| 11:11.23 | kremonte | i use it with bongos^^ |
| 11:14.10 | Nom- | is there any way to reset the moveable mini map icons mod |
| 11:14.45 | Nom- | hmm it's not called what i thought, tha'ts why i can't find it lol |
| 11:16.49 | Nom- | hmm not that |
| 11:16.53 | Nom- | i just dont have a button for it |
| 11:20.30 | Nom- | blow away the settings and see what happens then |
| 11:20.49 | Nom- | it seems DetachableMiniButtons or whatever it's called hides the TrinityBars config button |
| 11:21.01 | TheStig | can you -- comment out toc files/ |
| 11:21.02 | TheStig | ? |
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| 11:22.58 | kremonte | ## |
| 11:22.59 | kremonte | not -- |
| 11:23.17 | TheStig | so i can comment out stuff that loads up right? |
| 11:23.39 | kremonte | yup |
| 11:24.08 | kremonte | well i'm off |
| 11:24.12 | TheStig | ok what's autobar, pubcrawl, bluespirit, aspectbar, trackbar, windaction, xad, and tradesbar |
| 11:24.18 | TheStig | ah cya |
| 11:24.21 | TheStig | thanks :) |
| 11:30.31 | Nom- | omg trinitybars are soo damn hard to configure now |
| 11:30.37 | Nom- | What's the other one? |
| 11:30.43 | Nom- | Bongos? |
| 11:30.45 | TheStig | yep |
| 11:30.47 | TheStig | i love bongos |
| 11:31.23 | vith | flexbar would be great if it were easier to configure, though i haven't tried it in a while |
| 11:31.24 | Nom- | I mean trinity bars was never that easy to configure |
| 11:31.36 | Nom- | but now you have to click on the frame to make it the one you're configuring |
| 11:31.39 | TheStig | i don't like complicated things |
| 11:31.42 | Nom- | and it has an annoying background |
| 11:31.46 | Nom- | it's just TOO complicated now |
| 11:31.58 | TheStig | i don't want 5000 options i will never use |
| 11:32.02 | TheStig | i want 5 that i will use everyday |
| 11:32.03 | vith | i'm using all 10 bars provided by bartender3, and i'd be using more if it weren't arbitrarily limited |
| 11:32.51 | Nom- | See, that I can't understand lol |
| 11:33.04 | Nom- | I just can't think of any class i've played where 120 buttons are justified |
| 11:33.14 | vith | i'm not using 12 buttons per bar |
| 11:33.28 | vith | i group different things with some space between the groups |
| 11:33.48 | Nom- | ah lol |
| 11:33.51 | vith | and use different scales, etc |
| 11:34.19 | vith | one "bar" can be a 9x9 grid too |
| 11:34.24 | vith | erm |
| 11:34.26 | vith | 3x3.. |
| 11:35.45 | vith | flexbar would let me do exactly what i want, because each button is a bar on its own. and you can group them and such, but i just don't want to spend hours configuring it |
| 11:35.47 | Garthnait | wtf the german servers are still down ;( |
| 11:42.03 | Nom- | gah bongos has the same problem |
| 11:42.06 | Nom- | can't page the damn thing |
| 11:42.33 | vith | i know you can page bartender3, because i do it all the time by accident and can't figure out how to disable it |
| 11:43.34 | Nom- | yeah, but it's not shift-1 to go to page 1 etc |
| 11:43.36 | Nom- | Which is what I want |
| 11:43.43 | Nom- | It's like modifiers to go to pages, which I hate |
| 11:44.01 | vith | shift-1 for page 1 is how it works for me |
| 11:44.13 | vith | i'm always hitting shift-5 instead of shift-t |
| 11:44.37 | Nom- | Really? Maybe they finally changed it back |
| 11:44.39 | Nom- | I'll give it a go |
| 11:45.03 | Nom- | Which Bartender, Bartender3 ? |
| 11:45.35 | Nom- | Or did they actually fix the original bartender for 2.0 |
| 11:45.52 | vith | the only one i've ever used is bartender3 |
| 11:46.34 | vith | was using bongos pre-2.0 but switched to bartender3 because it got updated faster and i had no reason to switch back when bongos was fixed |
| 11:47.15 | Nom- | omg bartender2 is fixed for 2.0 |
| 11:47.19 | Nom- | That was the one I used pre-2 |
| 11:47.29 | Nom- | If it's working the same as it used to be, then problem solvered |
| 11:48.07 | Corrodias | so how are bartenders one through three different that people might use one over the other? |
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| 11:48.40 | Nom- | Well, the original Bartender3 that came out with 2.0.1 was shite imho |
| 11:48.48 | Nom- | It didn't support Shift-1 Shift-2 for pages |
| 11:48.55 | Nom- | It ONLY supported pages by modifiers |
| 11:49.36 | vith | what do you mean "by modifiers" anyway? isn't shift a modifier? |
| 11:49.44 | Corrodias | shift-1 isn't a modifier; shift is. |
| 11:50.06 | TheStig | anyone have any custom cyCircled textures? |
| 11:50.10 | Corrodias | he means that the page would switch while you held the shift key. |
| 11:50.14 | vith | ooh. |
| 11:50.21 | Nom- | ie. The only way you could do it is to use Shift to go to page 2 or whatever |
| 11:50.40 | Corrodias | a feature i'd actually like is if i could get my bar to switch to the second page while i held control + alt. |
| 11:50.50 | Corrodias | or is it control + shift? |
| 11:51.06 | Corrodias | which ones aren't i using together, yet? it must be control + shift. |
| 11:51.15 | VoidRaider | Hmm, I don't get any errors with Bartender haha |
| 11:51.35 | VoidRaider | I thought that I will have to fix my UI but I don't need to touch anything everything is working perfectly :P |
| 11:52.56 | Nom- | ffs bartender3 still doesn't work properly |
| 11:53.04 | VoidRaider | What's not working ? |
| 11:53.17 | Nom- | You can't page properly |
| 11:53.22 | VoidRaider | hmm |
| 11:53.26 | Nom- | It only lets you do like hold down shift |
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| 11:53.55 | VoidRaider | Ah well that's not a bug tho :P |
| 11:54.00 | vith | i'll log in again and make sure they didn't change it while we were talking, but less than an hour ago it was shift+number changes to the numbered page |
| 11:54.40 | Nom- | oh wait yes it does |
| 11:54.44 | Nom- | you just have to turn off paging |
| 11:54.46 | Nom- | how stupid |
| 11:55.16 | VoidRaider | I only had to change the TOC number but nothing inside the code, relief, going back to coding. :) |
| 11:55.40 | vith | i'm guessing the paging options are currently bugged |
| 11:55.59 | vith | when i tried turning paging off it stayed on, in the style you were trying to get |
| 11:56.07 | vith | same with it "on" |
| 11:56.17 | Nom- | ok so how do you define the keybindings |
| 11:56.58 | vith | maybe in blizzard's keybindings frame; i haven't tried |
| 11:57.30 | Nom- | found it |
| 11:57.34 | Nom- | yeah, damn annoying |
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| 12:08.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.pvponline.com/images/2980.gif |
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| 12:13.25 | Garthnait | fu blizz, StpidMount doesn't work ;( |
| 12:13.42 | TheStig | what is your error |
| 12:14.11 | Garthnait | no error, just don't work |
| 12:14.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | enable out of date addons? |
| 12:14.52 | Garthnait | yep |
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| 12:37.03 | TheStig | i wonder if walmart will put the expac out on shelves at midnight the 16th |
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| 12:37.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | doubtful |
| 12:37.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | probably whenever they normally restock |
| 12:38.14 | TheStig | that'll be like 3 or 4 days later haha |
| 12:38.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | some may even have it early due to employee incompetance |
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| 12:39.28 | TheStig | hmm |
| 12:40.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | target's a good place to go to avoid rushes for new releases |
| 12:40.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | for some reason no one ever thinks of target |
| 12:40.25 | TheStig | i live in a relatively small town, i don't know how many people here play wow |
| 12:40.29 | TheStig | but can't be many.. |
| 12:42.47 | TheStig | makes me wonder how many copies walmart will stock - we don't have a target |
| 12:44.40 | TheStig | we have kmart and we have walmart walmart is open until 2am and kmart closes at 9pm |
| 12:44.48 | TheStig | kmart is pretty unreliable for anything |
| 12:50.20 | TheStig | are you the wobin who made the awesome xp bar for fubar? |
| 12:50.29 | [Ammo] | he is |
| 12:50.30 | Wobin | I am =) |
| 12:50.34 | TheStig | its great :) |
| 12:50.36 | TheStig | just wanted to say taht |
| 12:50.43 | TheStig | that* |
| 12:50.46 | Wobin | ^^ |
| 12:51.00 | Wobin | still have to fix damn factions though |
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| 12:51.06 | TheStig | hehe |
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| 12:58.31 | Garthnait | ui, what a great event ^^ |
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| 13:33.20 | Nom- | hmm did they boost the drops on crusader? |
| 13:33.38 | Nom- | coz someone is selling it for 85g when it's normally 400g |
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| 13:34.06 | Neuro_Medivh | they nerfed it's effectiveness post-TBC |
| 13:34.35 | Srosh | yep |
| 13:34.35 | Neuro_Medivh | so the farmers are trying to ditch them now |
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| 13:36.23 | ZealotOnAStick | Who's someone good to talk to at ui.worldofwar.net for blatant rips of mods? |
| 13:36.30 | qshadowp | Cairenn Roses are #FF0000, Violets are #0000FF, All my base are belong to you <3 |
| 13:37.42 | qshadowp | i think she doesn't love me :( |
| 13:37.43 | Nom- | Yeah, that's what made me think they might have boosted the droprate |
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| 13:39.47 | wereHamster | JoshBorke, morning |
| 13:41.44 | ZealotOnAStick | Cairenn or Dolby-wowi, either of you around? |
| 13:46.17 | JoshBorke | woot! morning wereHamster! |
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| 13:49.11 | Nom- | gah my guildmate just got uber super duper lucky |
| 13:49.20 | Nom- | They just killed the tower in passing and got a drop :( |
| 13:49.31 | Nom- | oh well, sleep time |
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| 14:19.38 | foxlit | Unknown unit token: party1pet :/ |
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| 14:20.55 | Cide | partypet1 |
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| 14:22.22 | foxlit | Ah, that works. As it always partypet, or did they swap order at some point? |
| 14:22.29 | foxlit | s/As/Was/ |
| 14:22.50 | Cide | pretty sure it's always been that way |
| 14:22.57 | zenzio | is partypet3 the third pet, or party3's pet? |
| 14:23.05 | Cide | latter |
| 14:23.05 | End | you can only have one pet |
| 14:23.06 | obelus | haha a regex bot? |
| 14:23.26 | Cide | not really regex =/ |
| 14:23.39 | Cide | s/.*/see/ |
| 14:23.40 | End | string replace bot + annoy bot + utility bo :P |
| 14:23.43 | zenzio | infobot with sed I think |
| 14:23.49 | obelus | ah |
| 14:23.57 | End | it's not even as powerful as sed |
| 14:24.10 | obelus | still funny ... you see people say "s/ whatever" |
| 14:24.17 | obelus | never seen a bot translate it |
| 14:24.18 | JoshBorke | purl, poke End |
| 14:24.23 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind End, pokes End repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 14:24.31 | End | sed uses posix regular expressions |
| 14:25.18 | End | (although, you can even pass a flag to sed to have sed use extended regular expressions) |
| 14:26.13 | End | (although, purl isn't written in perl I think?) |
| 14:26.18 | End | er |
| 14:26.21 | End | s/isn't/is/ |
| 14:26.27 | zenzio | is "extended" the :alpha: and such? |
| 14:26.35 | End | yeah, among other things |
| 14:26.59 | zenzio | purl, status |
| 14:27.02 | purl | Since Mon Jan 8 04:50:05 2007, there have been 24 modifications, 276 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 235 commands. I have been awake for 2d 9h 36m 54s this session, and currently reference 112328 factoids. I'm using about 18876 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 8757.42/519 child 0.04/0.01 |
| 14:27.58 | zenzio | unless I'm very mistaken, that's infobot... |
| 14:28.27 | End | yea, I'm at the infobot site |
| 14:28.31 | End | it's very infobottish |
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| 14:31.30 | zenzio | it's almost a little sad that you need the tilde to trigger her factoids; infobots can provide quite a bit of random fun otherwise ;) |
| 14:31.47 | End | ...almost |
| 14:32.00 | End | it'd get really annoying after a bit |
| 14:32.30 | zenzio | depends very much on which channels they hang on. Here there's probably too much talking |
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| 14:33.15 | End | I blame Cairen1, this channel is too inviting |
| 14:33.41 | zenzio | hehehe |
| 14:34.05 | zenzio | welcome to Hotel Cairenn |
| 14:35.04 | JoshBorke | :-*( |
| 14:35.07 | JoshBorke | hm |
| 14:35.08 | JoshBorke | :-( |
| 14:35.14 | zenzio | I didn't do it |
| 14:35.16 | End | looks like I blamed the right Cairen1 |
| 14:35.25 | End | the other one timed out |
| 14:35.48 | End | or maybe the other one was covering her tracks! |
| 14:36.15 | zenzio | it's all part on an elaborate pretend-AFK scheme |
| 14:36.26 | End | I see! |
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| 14:40.33 | foxlit | Do I need to issue an updated .toc for 2.0.3, or can people just check "enable out of date addons"? |
| 14:41.46 | JoshBorke | check it |
| 14:43.25 | Neuro_Medivh | yeah, they can just enable out of date addons |
| 14:43.35 | Neuro_Medivh | that's why I'm not updating my addon till next week |
| 14:44.05 | Neuro_Medivh | it's not broken, so I won't fix it till after I see if TBC breaks it |
| 14:44.13 | End | I tend to issue an updated .toc as a way just to say "yup, I confirm it still works" |
| 14:44.36 | Neuro_Medivh | I would, if TBC wasnt next tuesday |
| 14:44.36 | zenzio | they changed the world map minimap icon in 2.0.3 o_O |
| 14:44.38 | wereHamster | JoshBorke, what did you want to ask me yesterday? |
| 14:44.53 | End | zenzio: I think the old one was better |
| 14:45.08 | zenzio | End: I don't want one in the first place, but yeah, I think I agree |
| 14:45.28 | End | they added a minimap icon because they removed it from the microbar |
| 14:45.34 | End | to make room or the lfg button |
| 14:45.56 | zenzio | oh, right... I forgot there even was a button for it |
| 14:45.56 | End | here's the thing though: when you actually use the lfg tool, it makes a minimap icon anyways |
| 14:46.00 | JoshBorke | wereHamster: gonna update the dependencies of coolDown? :-) |
| 14:46.04 | zenzio | just used M every time |
| 14:46.17 | End | yeah, I've always used M as well |
| 14:46.59 | End | the only time I use any part of the micro bar is when I want to reach the main menu without hitting escape |
| 14:48.28 | wereHamster | JoshBorke, sure, go on |
| 14:48.44 | wereHamster | err.. what dependency is missing? |
| 14:49.02 | JoshBorke | let me check real fast |
| 14:49.08 | zenzio | End: I use the microbar every now and then... mostly if I want to open one of the frames while typing something in chat |
| 14:49.49 | End | that's a good reason too |
| 14:54.16 | JoshBorke | blah, all the sites are slow so it makes it more difficult |
| 14:56.24 | Garthnait | Anybody here, who can help me creasting my on chattype for my addon? |
| 14:56.53 | JoshBorke | IFrameManager |
| 14:57.25 | Garthnait | what is that? |
| 14:58.12 | JoshBorke | sorry, that was directed to wereHamster |
| 14:58.19 | JoshBorke | it's a mod he wrote |
| 14:58.25 | Garthnait | ah okay |
| 14:58.43 | foxlit | Hm, the new pvp scoreboard doesn't properly align things. |
| 14:59.41 | wereHamster | JoshBorke, IFM is already in the dependencies |
| 14:59.51 | JoshBorke | so it can be removed from the TOC? |
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| 15:00.51 | wereHamster | ehm.. no, coolDown depends on it |
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| 15:01.32 | JoshBorke | currently the toc hasn't been updated anywhere, unless it's on the wowace svn |
| 15:01.52 | wereHamster | coolDown is in wowace's svn |
| 15:02.15 | JoshBorke | yes, i have the newest cooldown, the issue is that it depends on IFM which is NOT updated to wow 2.0 anywhere |
| 15:02.35 | Swemetal | how would i correctly do to link 2 XML files together so that i can have my templates in one, and the "real" frames in the other? if i write the 2 XML files in the TOC file it doesnt work(tried with the template file first and last) |
| 15:02.40 | JoshBorke | unless it's on wowace svn |
| 15:02.48 | wereHamster | JoshBorke, it's in svn, too |
| 15:03.00 | Maldivia | Swemetal: having both xml files in the toc files does work |
| 15:03.13 | JoshBorke | ok, got it. thanks |
| 15:03.20 | JoshBorke | bye all |
| 15:03.21 | Maldivia | Swemetal: did you remember to restart wow ? |
| 15:03.50 | Neuro_Medivh | iirc, when the TOC file changes, you have to start wow over from scratch |
| 15:03.55 | Maldivia | Swemetal: and you need to have the template xml file listed before the file that uses the templates |
| 15:04.05 | Swemetal | maldivia: i use /script ReloadUI() |
| 15:04.13 | Maldivia | Swemetal: that's not a wow restart |
| 15:04.23 | Swemetal | oh |
| 15:04.34 | wereHamster | WoW reads the toc files only once - when it starts up |
| 15:04.38 | Neuro_Medivh | right |
| 15:04.41 | Maldivia | Swemetal: adding files requires a restart of the game, likewise when altering fields in the .toc file |
| 15:04.51 | Swemetal | thanks, i'll try that! |
| 15:05.16 | Maldivia | wereHamster: only the #fields, the file-lines you can add remove, and reload ui |
| 15:05.35 | wereHamster | oh.. is that new? |
| 15:05.43 | Maldivia | think it was added in 1.11 or 1.12 |
| 15:06.05 | Maldivia | but might be older - just recently noticed myself :) |
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| 15:10.13 | Maldivia | *grumble* |
| 15:10.35 | Swemetal | ok, this is my code: http://wowi.pastey.net/4843, i restarded wow and it still doesnt seem to work |
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| 15:12.45 | Swemetal | but if a manualy take all code from hz_Display_Template to hz_Main_Frame it works fine |
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| 15:19.22 | Maldivia | Swemetal: and hz_Main_Frame doesn't get created ? |
| 15:19.45 | Swemetal | how could i check it? |
| 15:19.50 | Garthnait | I' asking again: Anybody here, who can help me creating my on chat type for my addon? |
| 15:19.51 | Swemetal | i cant see it on the screen |
| 15:20.13 | Maldivia | Swemetal: ahh, try inherits="..." instead of inherit="..." :) |
| 15:20.17 | kremonte | Garthnait: care to elaborate? |
| 15:20.24 | Swemetal | hehe |
| 15:20.43 | Garthnait | kremonte : i don't understand |
| 15:20.54 | kremonte | nor do i o_O what do you mean 'on chat type'? |
| 15:21.04 | Garthnait | own ^^ |
| 15:21.04 | kremonte | i didn't see your original question, i recently arrived home :p |
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| 15:21.10 | Swemetal | omg it works! maldivia, you just made me very happy! thanks! :) |
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| 15:21.43 | kremonte | something like your own CHAT_MESSAGE_SAY? |
| 15:21.44 | Maldivia | I'm here to please... |
| 15:21.53 | kremonte | and by MESSAGE i mean MSG |
| 15:21.59 | Garthnait | yes |
| 15:22.07 | kremonte | what will you be using it for? |
| 15:22.43 | foxlit | To allow the user to easily choose which chat frames to output text to using the default interface. |
| 15:22.46 | Garthnait | my addon gives out a message in the defaultchatframe an it have to be configureable so you can put it where you wnat to |
| 15:23.13 | qshadowp | anyone got a link to download the new patch? |
| 15:23.25 | qshadowp | i'm suffering at 30kbps here lol |
| 15:23.26 | Garthnait | for witch client? |
| 15:23.30 | qshadowp | enGB |
| 15:23.50 | Maldivia | you haven't downloaded th 95% using the background downloader? |
| 15:24.02 | Garthnait | http://www.virtue-guild.net/downloads/patch_2.0.3/en/wow-2.0.0-to-2.0.3-engb-win-patch.zip |
| 15:24.03 | qshadowp | nope :| |
| 15:24.07 | qshadowp | Garoun|Loupana thanks |
| 15:24.09 | kremonte | couldn't you just have a variable for AddMessage and let them set that? (e.g. getglobal(chatframe):AddMessage(txt) and /chatframe ChatFrame2 or something?) |
| 15:24.39 | Neuro_Medivh | http://a.wirebrain.de/wow/ |
| 15:24.42 | Neuro_Medivh | has them all |
| 15:24.48 | kremonte | Neuro_Medivh: i love you |
| 15:24.58 | kremonte | been looking for frfr and dede patches for hours |
| 15:25.10 | Maldivia | Neuro: wirebrain only has the US so far |
| 15:25.23 | kremonte | wait a minurte. indeed. |
| 15:25.24 | kremonte | :-( |
| 15:25.31 | Maldivia | kremonte: http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_mirrors |
| 15:25.44 | Neuro_Medivh | yeah, sorry, that leads where you want |
| 15:25.49 | Neuro_Medivh | I was thinking US version |
| 15:26.08 | kremonte | yea Maldivia, just found that :] |
| 15:26.42 | foxlit | kremonte: that doesn't do multiple chatframes, though. |
| 15:26.51 | kremonte | foxlit: what do you mean? |
| 15:27.09 | foxlit | If you do getglobal(chatframeid):AddMessage, you're only outputting to one frame. |
| 15:27.12 | Neuro_Medivh | Anyone else feel like the WoW world is batting down the hatches and boarding up the windows in preperation for the hurricane to come next week> |
| 15:27.13 | Garthnait | Do anybody know what i wish to do? |
| 15:27.13 | Neuro_Medivh | ? |
| 15:27.24 | kremonte | foxlit: i get it, to output to one or more frames? |
| 15:27.27 | foxlit | Whereas, with your own chat type, you can output to multiple frames with one call -- all configurable by the user :) |
| 15:28.05 | Garthnait | yes foxlit thats what i wish to ^^ |
| 15:28.09 | kremonte | i don't know much about chat types, but i could probably think of a few ways to coerce the client into adding them to the chat menus, then outputting using a table |
| 15:28.29 | kremonte | the only addon i know of that adds its own chat type is CTRA and i haven't scavenged through its source in ages >< |
| 15:28.41 | foxlit | So which part of the wiki howto breaks? |
| 15:28.49 | Garthnait | one moment |
| 15:29.37 | Garthnait | here: for chattype,info in MyAddOn_UserVars.Chat do |
| 15:29.51 | foxlit | wrap that in pairs() and you're set? |
| 15:30.07 | kremonte | pairs(MyAddon_UserVars.Chat) |
| 15:30.13 | kremonte | what he said. |
| 15:30.18 | Garthnait | so i've only copied the lines in the How to in my addon for testing |
| 15:31.24 | kremonte | foxlit: are you editing the wiki to reflect pairs()? if not i'm on it :p |
| 15:31.44 | foxlit | Probably; I want to look up what they're using to actually raise the event as well. |
| 15:31.49 | foxlit | Might be some stuff to revise there :) |
| 15:33.49 | Garthnait | do i have to put something in the .toc that this works? |
| 15:34.03 | kremonte | nope |
| 15:34.09 | kremonte | it should work with pairs |
| 15:35.24 | Garthnait | attempt to index global 'MyAddOn_UserVars' (a nil value) |
| 15:35.42 | Neuro_Medivh | um |
| 15:35.47 | kremonte | Garthnait: did you follow the Adding Logic portion? |
| 15:35.56 | kremonte | The above code assumes that there is a MyAddOn_UserVars.Chat table that contains your chat configuration settings. It would normally be a saved variable, and initialized on VARIABLES_LOADED. We also need to insert a bit more information in ChatFrame's tables: |
| 15:36.30 | Garthnait | first of all, i'm a noob with this ^^ |
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| 15:36.47 | kremonte | just follow the full howto first :p |
| 15:36.51 | Garthnait | i've just copied the lines in the two codeboxes on the tut in my .lua |
| 15:37.47 | Garthnait | i though the tut is created for pros not for noobs ^^ |
| 15:39.20 | qshadowp | hmm |
| 15:39.23 | Garthnait | i'm going to be weird on this |
| 15:39.34 | qshadowp | im trying to install my patch and im getting the error "The file "Localization.xml" could not be loaded." |
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| 15:40.14 | qshadowp | anyone know what i should do? |
| 15:40.23 | kremonte | qshadowp: unsure if it affects this, but did you extract the patch folder to your WoW dir? |
| 15:40.29 | Hobinheim | are there any mods left that do a crazy amount of things automatically for you? like autobuff? |
| 15:40.48 | qshadowp | at first i extracted to the wow dir, but then i moved it |
| 15:40.57 | kremonte | keep it in your WoW dir then run install.exe |
| 15:41.02 | foxlit | I still maintain something that picks buff targets for you out of combat. |
| 15:41.03 | qshadowp | ok |
| 15:41.10 | qshadowp | you mean BNUpdate.exe? |
| 15:41.21 | Garthnait | yep |
| 15:41.36 | kremonte | yea |
| 15:41.41 | qshadowp | nope, same error |
| 15:41.43 | kremonte | sorry, still thinking of 2.0.1 install e_e |
| 15:41.47 | Hobinheim | so out of combat intelligence is perfectly ok? |
| 15:41.52 | Hobinheim | foxlit, what's it called? |
| 15:41.57 | kremonte | are the files in your wow dir or in a folder in it? |
| 15:42.12 | Garthnait | • (qshadowp) |
| 15:42.12 | qshadowp | they are in my wow dir |
| 15:42.13 | kremonte | for example, i have World of Warcraft\WoW-2.0.0-to-2.0.3-enUS-Win-patch\BNUpdate.exe |
| 15:42.18 | kremonte | running it worked |
| 15:42.22 | qshadowp | C:\Program files\World of warcraft\BNUpdate.exe |
| 15:42.29 | qshadowp | ahh :P |
| 15:42.59 | Maldivia | start wow, it will download the downloader, the downloader starts, check to see if the files are downloaded, if they are, and not tampered with, it starts the install process |
| 15:43.08 | Maldivia | safest way to update, when downloading from 3rd party |
| 15:43.16 | qshadowp | lol ok :P |
| 15:43.39 | qshadowp | yup it downloaded instantly pretty much |
| 15:43.49 | qshadowp | stopped at 213/219MB O.o |
| 15:44.05 | Maldivia | that means you're missing the last 2 files, or they are not correct |
| 15:44.18 | qshadowp | heh :P |
| 15:44.29 | qshadowp | well i'll let it finish that and install itself, hopefully that'll work :D |
| 15:44.31 | qshadowp | thanks Maldivia :P |
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| 15:47.19 | Garthnait | maybe i've did something wrong with that tutorial, and i don't really understand it |
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| 15:50.59 | qshadowp | still says localization.xml could not be loaded |
| 15:51.06 | foxlit | It's more of a codedump than a tutorial. |
| 15:51.08 | qshadowp | anyone here with enGB Client mind sending me there localization.xml? |
| 15:51.32 | foxlit | 2.0.1? |
| 15:51.45 | qshadowp | 2.0.3 |
| 15:51.45 | foxlit | (er, which localization.xml?) |
| 15:52.26 | qshadowp | dunno, the one that the blizzard updater says it needs |
| 15:52.36 | Neuro_Medivh | um |
| 15:52.48 | Neuro_Medivh | that's embedded in the mpq |
| 15:53.04 | qshadowp | "Blizzard Updater was unable to start up." "The file "Localization.xml" could not be loaded." |
| 15:53.27 | qshadowp | Neuro_Medivh but i just run the blizzard downloader, and it goes straight through with no problems :( |
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| 15:53.48 | kaso | you want the post-patch localization file |
| 15:53.52 | kaso | for enGB |
| 15:54.04 | qshadowp | kaso where would i get it? |
| 15:55.22 | kaso | gimme a moment to patch and i can upload it for you |
| 15:55.22 | qshadowp | kaso thanks :P |
| 15:55.22 | Garthnait | i've just downloaded the .zip, extract it and put it in .../wow/patch/WoW-2.0.0-to-2.0.3-enGB-Win-patch |
| 15:55.26 | Garthnait | executed the bnupdater.exe and it worked |
| 15:55.36 | kaso | i hope the interface extractor works under wine |
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| 15:58.41 | foxlit | Could just ask someone to zip output |
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| 16:09.00 | Garthnait | y does the chat type not work? grml |
| 16:09.06 | zenzio | I see the target frame not showing in combat bug thingie x.x |
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| 16:12.09 | kaso | qshadowp |
| 16:12.15 | qshadowp | kaso got it to work just now :P |
| 16:12.25 | kaso | yah i found this https://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=108471056&sid=1 :> shows what to do |
| 16:12.26 | qshadowp | i found a blue post that said i had to delete wow-patch.mpq to get it to work |
| 16:12.30 | qshadowp | :> |
| 16:12.32 | kaso | mmh |
| 16:12.36 | qshadowp | yea i found that about 3 seconds ago xD |
| 16:12.51 | qshadowp | 25% of update installed now \o/ |
| 16:13.29 | kaso | <3 the new Multishot mana costs |
| 16:13.35 | kaso | no more running out of mana every 2min |
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| 16:17.57 | kaso | Every single time i forget to enable out of date addons >.< |
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| 16:46.05 | Barbanus | Does anyone know if mobs actually have strength / agility values, like is the paladins talent vindication actually useful in pve? |
| 16:47.09 | |FF|Im2good4u | they do have them |
| 16:47.20 | |FF|Im2good4u | lie the old hunter scorpid string also worked |
| 16:48.01 | |FF|Im2good4u | however whne u fight bosses ands such they got such a high valuies that those talwent wont make much difference |
| 16:48.42 | Barbanus | awesome, thanks for the answer |FF|Im2good4u |
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| 17:13.09 | TC_Working | Morning all |
| 17:14.16 | Garthnait | morning ^^ (18:15) ^^ |
| 17:14.24 | |FF|Im2good4u | morning |
| 17:14.26 | Cairenn | hi |
| 17:14.33 | Gryphen | he3ya |
| 17:16.05 | JoshBorke | morning |
| 17:16.11 | JoshBorke | ~ugt |
| 17:16.12 | purl | ugt is probably Universial Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
| 17:16.30 | TC_Working | yes that...odd i was just trying to remeber that |
| 17:16.42 | |FF|Im2good4u | WTF oO cant set parrent to 'self' OMG!! |
| 17:16.44 | TC_Working | s/remeber/remember/ |
| 17:16.57 | JoshBorke | is self a frame? |
| 17:17.21 | |FF|Im2good4u | probely not :P |
| 17:17.32 | |FF|Im2good4u | it worked before path lol its a chance |
| 17:18.02 | |FF|Im2good4u | oO its doifferent uits can set owner to self |
| 17:19.12 | |FF|Im2good4u | however thats for my secr@t scanning tooltip wicht i nolonger need since they addded IsEquippableItem(item) |
| 17:19.15 | pastamancer | welcome to the tooltip changes |
| 17:19.48 | |FF|Im2good4u | previusly i ahd to sue an entire toolip and scan each like for RED text to see if was enquipable or not lol |
| 17:21.38 | |FF|Im2good4u | however since blizz added secure frames it all got verry cunfusseh |
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| 17:25.31 | |FF|Im2good4u | guys or girls is it posable to hook a script handler of inherted frame ? fir example the chatwindowtemplate ? |
| 17:25.58 | JoshBorke | on your frame? |
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| 17:27.43 | |FF|Im2good4u | welll atm im using |
| 17:27.44 | |FF|Im2good4u | ILR_ChatFrame_OnEvent_Hook = ChatFrame_OnEvent |
| 17:27.44 | |FF|Im2good4u | ChatFrame_OnEvent = ItemLinkRecolor_ChatFrame_OnEvent |
| 17:28.22 | |FF|Im2good4u | while i think the Get/Set Scripts are better for hooking but i dont wana have to hook them on each chatframe seperated |
| 17:28.38 | |FF|Im2good4u | so cant i hook the frame they inhert instead ? |
| 17:30.49 | Maldivia | no |
| 17:31.33 | qshadowp | if i stock up like 25 quests now, and hand them in when i buy tbc |
| 17:31.36 | |FF|Im2good4u | i was afriad of that :P |
| 17:31.39 | qshadowp | do i get loads of exp? or still cash ? :P |
| 17:31.44 | Maldivia | qshadowp: xp |
| 17:31.48 | qshadowp | good |
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| 17:32.49 | zenzio | I thought they didn't give XP like that? At least someone told me that a while ago |
| 17:35.04 | subbot | i think it's just repeatable turnin quests |
| 17:35.07 | subbot | that they're nerfing |
| 17:35.13 | subbot | like the qiraji lord insignia quest and such |
| 17:35.31 | zenzio | hm, could be |
| 17:46.43 | qshadowp | i think i just terrified a horde |
| 17:47.05 | qshadowp | i was in cenarian hold, and he came up to me and jumped with his undead mount so it made its horse noise at me |
| 17:47.13 | qshadowp | so i got on my ram did /moo at him and started spamming jump |
| 17:47.15 | qshadowp | he logged out |
| 17:47.17 | qshadowp | :D |
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| 17:56.49 | Mikma | which event gets fired first? PEW or ADDON_LOADED? |
| 17:57.05 | pastamancer | ADDON_LOADED |
| 17:57.10 | pastamancer | unless it's a LoD addon |
| 17:57.16 | Mikma | thanks pastey |
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| 17:58.05 | pastamancer | you might want PLAYER_LOGIN instead though, depending on what you want to do |
| 17:58.10 | Mikma | ok next question. When does the UI scale itself? on PEW or what? |
| 17:58.34 | |FF|Im2good4u | http://www.wowwiki.com/Events_that_fire_during_the_Loading_Process |
| 17:58.40 | Mikma | oh neat :9 |
| 17:59.10 | |FF|Im2good4u | thats was for 1st question |
| 17:59.31 | Mikma | .D |
| 17:59.40 | Mikma | oh damn, i need to "fix" my shift |
| 17:59.47 | Mikma | gief sledgehammer |
| 17:59.53 | |FF|Im2good4u | thsat smiley is more funny |
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| 18:01.10 | |FF|Im2good4u | 15,1Tem0: 9Hello! |
| 18:01.36 | Tem | ow |
| 18:01.39 | Mikma | teh tem |
| 18:02.02 | TC_Working | grey, lime green, and black not bad |
| 18:02.11 | Cide | it was quite bad to be honest |
| 18:02.20 | TC_Working | get better eyes |
| 18:02.30 | Mikma | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:02.34 | Cide | my eyes are perfect, but it didn't match my color scheme very well :) |
| 18:02.46 | zenzio | what colors are you talking about? o_O |
| 18:02.52 | TC_Working | well i know a good eye doctor |
| 18:03.16 | Mikma | zenzio: /set hide_colors ON ? :D |
| 18:03.23 | |FF|Im2good4u | its from RTCW Enemy Terriroty |
| 18:03.32 | zenzio | who in their right mind lets their IRC client display colors? |
| 18:03.33 | |FF|Im2good4u | its an ingame voice chat :P |
| 18:04.08 | Mikma | zenzio: meeeeee. it's enabled at default and i'm lazy to disable :) |
| 18:04.17 | |FF|Im2good4u | its even worse then i think since whne osm1 types a voice chat my script will spam lla other place |
| 18:04.52 | zenzio | Mikma: I'm lazy too, but the only use I've ever seen for colors on IRC is to mess with people |
| 18:05.37 | |FF|Im2good4u | i find it useful when 2 ppl tlk in differnt colors so u can easly seperate the lines |
| 18:05.51 | zenzio | that's not the people setting the colors |
| 18:06.31 | |FF|Im2good4u | 8well some ppl specialt those on a wab vclient tal whit a color carecter in front of each like |
| 18:06.36 | haste | Mikma: rainbow is nothing compared to dau.pl |
| 18:06.53 | TC_Working | ok....much ow |
| 18:07.02 | haste | Mikma: http://dau.pl/ :D |
| 18:07.20 | |FF|Im2good4u | http://www.wowkeylogger.com |
| 18:08.39 | Mikma | haste: hmm |
| 18:08.45 | Mikma | haste: hi 2 u 2 :) |
| 18:10.18 | |FF|Im2good4u | guys i used this self:SetOwner(self,"ANCHOR_NONE") to keep my ToolTip hidden wut sould i use now in patch 2.0.3 |
| 18:12.06 | Mikma | haste: should we start privatemessaging to each other with dau? |
| 18:12.12 | Elkano | UIParent instead of self |
| 18:12.17 | haste | no :p |
| 18:13.07 | Mikma | haste: ok, in caps then? |
| 18:13.18 | foxlit | WorldFrame |
| 18:14.24 | |FF|Im2good4u | but UIParent will make it visable wont it ? |
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| 18:42.03 | Tierrie|Work | |FF|Im2good4u: Just hide the frame |
| 18:42.52 | TC_Working | ~moo |
| 18:42.53 | purl | mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/moo/ and http://www.riddleme.com/html/cow2.html |
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| 18:49.37 | Maldivia | ok, I really hope they hotfix the raid issues... very annoying |
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| 18:51.47 | Mery | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10271175&sid=1 -> I think they'll need a "Minor Patch" :P |
| 18:51.55 | [Cu]Werik | 'lo! |
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| 18:55.32 | TuX_BuBling | hey there |
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| 18:56.25 | Mery | well since slouken is talking about 2.0.4 and 2.0.5 within 2 minutes it seems likly the raid issue gets fixed soon |
| 18:56.42 | Bouvi | What is the raid issue? Not raided in a bit. |
| 18:56.50 | Outlaw| | Mery: I would hope so |
| 18:57.08 | Outlaw| | last nights raid was fun, I think we passed leader about 6-8 different times before getting it to an actual officer :p |
| 18:57.17 | Mery | haha |
| 18:57.26 | Mery | well Bouvi the name lookup is bugged |
| 18:57.54 | Mery | and so function like changing leader and kicking people change / kick the worng persons |
| 18:57.56 | Outlaw| | Pretty much, you could do /target Mery and it would target somebody else, however if you did /target Mer it would target Mery fine |
| 18:58.04 | Bouvi | Oh fun |
| 18:58.12 | TuX_BuBling | Tuller: did you update vBagnon for 2.0.3? |
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| 18:58.31 | Tuller | TuX_BuBling: not the toc, but the code itself should work |
| 18:58.34 | Tuller | at least it does for me |
| 18:59.00 | TuX_BuBling | doesn't for me :( |
| 19:00.12 | TuX_BuBling | maybe another addon conflicting |
| 19:01.20 | TuX_BuBling | mmmh ok |
| 19:01.31 | TuX_BuBling | strange it reseted all my settings ... |
| 19:08.31 | Scre3m | has anyone else had a problem with the target window dissapearing while in combat? |
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| 19:16.21 | Tierrie|Work | hahaha so they messed up the indices for the Promote command? |
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| 19:21.55 | nevcairiel | is there any quick fix for the dong sound while being in a pvp queue? |
| 19:22.34 | subbot | i bet you can do something like the fix for the raid clicking sound |
| 19:22.35 | foxlit | itunes playing in the background |
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| 19:25.28 | zenzio | this Dark Portal quest thing is retarded... AoEing never ends |
| 19:25.54 | End | it was easy on my mage |
| 19:25.58 | Outlaw| | Took me maybe 10 minutes and i was able to get 6 on my warrior |
| 19:26.02 | Outlaw| | hmm |
| 19:26.19 | Cide | can someone pastey the current TargetFrame.lua file? |
| 19:26.27 | zenzio | there's about 10 AoE classes here at the moment, plus melee |
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| 19:26.40 | Outlaw | one sec cide |
| 19:26.40 | zenzio | easy enough to team up, but still retarded to make it so farmable |
| 19:26.58 | Cide | from 2.0.3 that is |
| 19:27.09 | Outlaw | http://pastey.net/4849 |
| 19:27.23 | Cide | thanks |
| 19:27.31 | Outlaw | no problem |
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| 19:28.55 | zenzio | I must say I preferred the target-of-target frame vanishing than the whole target frame o_O |
| 19:29.18 | Shadowed | target frame doesn't help me as much as a visible ToT does! |
| 19:29.40 | foxlit | Dunno, both T and ToT still work for me :) |
| 19:30.04 | Shadowed | updating CTMod fixed it for me |
| 19:30.33 | zenzio | it's easy enough to see if a mob is hitting me or not |
| 19:30.41 | zenzio | but I like to see what I have targetted |
| 19:30.59 | Shadowed | just another excuse to let mages die |
| 19:32.44 | nevcairiel | lol more bugs, i dragged one raid window out, and closed it again, and now it keeps opening |
| 19:32.52 | nevcairiel | stupid thing! |
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| 19:33.52 | zenzio | I wish they'd stop pushing things to live untested |
| 19:34.53 | zenzio | haha, the Dreadknight livened things up a bit |
| 19:35.01 | Shadowed | ? |
| 19:35.28 | zenzio | level 63 elite that popped at the portal |
| 19:35.32 | End | lol |
| 19:36.02 | foxlit | Died a few minutes ago, eventless. |
| 19:36.29 | foxlit | There's a level 70 gnome, and a level 70 bloodelf sitting on the crates, though. Wonder what for. |
| 19:36.56 | axxo | they aren't very 'elite' |
| 19:37.03 | axxo | you can kill 10 at a time |
| 19:37.42 | foxlit | Level 63 has ~70k hp; shadowbolt spam is boring, though |
| 19:38.39 | foxlit | What happens if I bind two securebuttons to the same key? |
| 19:38.48 | foxlit | Does binding just error out? |
| 19:39.15 | End | probably the last one gets the binding |
| 19:39.32 | End | and the first one bound loses the binding |
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| 19:43.03 | Saroz | anyone found a workaround for the raid UI bug? |
| 19:43.36 | pastamancer | which one? |
| 19:46.01 | Saroz | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=63887014&postId=644116041&sid=1#20 |
| 19:46.02 | Saroz | this one |
| 19:46.49 | pastamancer | oh, fun |
| 19:47.57 | Saroz | not really |
| 19:48.00 | Saroz | cant do anything |
| 19:48.05 | Saroz | cant demote, cant kick |
| 19:48.09 | Saroz | gj gj |
| 19:48.18 | Saroz | QA fails again |
| 19:49.43 | zenzio | half the time can't see your target |
| 19:49.55 | foxlit | Try a RegisterUnitWatch(TargetFrame) ? |
| 19:50.29 | zenzio | might do that; but doesn't change the fact that it should never have passed QA :) |
| 19:50.58 | foxlit | Does it happen on vanilla? |
| 19:51.07 | Saroz | yes |
| 19:52.05 | sysrage | saroz: |
| 19:52.07 | sysrage | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=64246728&sid=1 |
| 19:52.13 | sysrage | 'fixes' in there |
| 19:52.20 | sysrage | lots of script command alternatives |
| 19:52.33 | Saroz | doesnt work |
| 19:53.45 | sysrage | actually, it does |
| 19:53.47 | sysrage | but ok |
| 19:54.16 | Xolan | I imagine there's a server restart in not too long to fix those bugs. |
| 19:54.27 | Xolan | *to implement the fixes |
| 19:54.46 | sysrage | blue comment on the thread i posted said they're trying |
| 19:54.54 | Xolan | yep |
| 19:55.14 | zenzio | that's the good thing about server-side bugs |
| 19:55.34 | Xolan | yep |
| 19:55.43 | Xolan | should never have happened in the first place though |
| 19:56.10 | zenzio | that goes without saying ;) |
| 19:56.18 | TC_Working | ~kill openview |
| 19:56.27 | purl | ACTION shoots a excited electron gun at openview |
| 19:56.27 | Shadowed | I don't think people realise that all the slash commands do is call the script commands |
| 19:56.27 | Neuro_Medivh | I guess you guys write 100% bug free code |
| 19:56.35 | Shadowed | oh it's in raid and dungeon forums, no wonder |
| 19:56.44 | Shadowed | I purposely put bugs in my code, if it worked fine i'd be bored |
| 19:56.55 | zenzio | but it's easy to say what should or shouldn't have happened; I'm sure they're under pressure to get everything ready for BC |
| 19:57.55 | Saroz | Xolan, you need to patch that, cant hotfix |
| 19:57.57 | Neuro_Medivh | well, on the one hand, you guys say they should patch this stuff "Right Now!" yet then you get irate when there are bugs |
| 19:58.18 | Xolan | Neuro_Medivh: of course not, but that's major bugs that's impossible not to see before release |
| 19:58.42 | Xolan | was intended for your previous comment :) |
| 19:58.58 | Neuro_Medivh | Some of these bugs aren't that big actually |
| 19:59.13 | Neuro_Medivh | they just have far reaching issues |
| 19:59.19 | zenzio | the small bugs are those it's easy to make |
| 19:59.30 | Xolan | big as in having a huge impact on the player |
| 19:59.52 | zenzio | although sometimes you get major bugs, like 12.6 Anarchy Online |
| 20:00.24 | Shadowed | I mostly wonder what kind of testing they did that they didn't catch the bug with /tar name and such not working |
| 20:00.55 | Xolan | well 2.0.3 was already running on beta servers right? |
| 20:01.01 | Neuro_Medivh | yes |
| 20:01.07 | Neuro_Medivh | and it wasn't reported there |
| 20:01.17 | Neuro_Medivh | therefore, it was more likely a more recent change |
| 20:01.19 | Xolan | maybe something happened when migrating the system then |
| 20:01.20 | Xolan | yep |
| 20:01.21 | Shadowed | Well the issue is related to the fact that we can do <name>-target now I think |
| 20:01.31 | foxlit | Hm, /tar name works for me. |
| 20:01.35 | Shadowed | foxlit have to be in a raid |
| 20:01.39 | Neuro_Medivh | also, remember, some bugs are caused by fixing other bugs |
| 20:01.40 | Shadowed | which slouken announced like a day or two before 2.0.3 went live? |
| 20:01.46 | Shadowed | Yeah thats true Neuro |
| 20:02.35 | Neuro_Medivh | just remember, pushing to live reveals the code to about 100,000 times more people than testing internally |
| 20:02.42 | Neuro_Medivh | you're bound to catch more stuff that way |
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| 20:03.05 | Neuro_Medivh | I'm just hoping they get it all smoothed out before next tuesday |
| 20:03.06 | Shadowed | It's a pretty easy thing to replicate it, thats why I was wondering actually, |
| 20:03.20 | Neuro_Medivh | yes, easy to replicate, but maybe not to find in the first place. |
| 20:03.33 | Neuro_Medivh | the testing centers don't run raids every night to test stuff |
| 20:03.36 | zenzio | Neuro_Medivh: of course, it's just the obvious bugs that I'm annoyed about, not stuff that doesn't happen a lot |
| 20:03.56 | Neuro_Medivh | some aren't obvious though. I've been in TBC for months, I've yet to be in a raid |
| 20:04.25 | End | it's fortunate raiding is at a comparative low |
| 20:04.44 | Neuro_Medivh | true dat |
| 20:04.44 | zenzio | Neuro_Medivh: I'm not talking about raid bugs |
| 20:04.51 | zenzio | I'm still on about my target frame |
| 20:05.02 | Neuro_Medivh | what's wrong with your target frame? |
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| 20:05.48 | zenzio | won't show if I enter combat before targetting something (or drop my target and re-target something while in combat) |
| 20:05.54 | Shadowed | target frame seems more like an issue that addons cause, which isn't very obvious |
| 20:06.29 | beerke | Anyone knows how to change leader with this patch ? |
| 20:06.33 | zenzio | I have maybe three addons running, and none do anything to that part of the stock UI |
| 20:06.45 | Shadowed | Same way you did before, you just either subtract or add the last character for the name |
| 20:06.51 | Shadowed | so /promote Shadowed becomes /promote Shadowedd |
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| 20:07.34 | Neuro_Medivh | zenzio, are you running ctra? |
| 20:08.27 | zenzio | I don't think I have it enabled... but I'll check next time I run WoW |
| 20:08.30 | Neuro_Medivh | cause I had that issue with CTRA, and disabling it cleared it up. |
| 20:08.46 | zenzio | why would CTRA mess up my target frame though? |
| 20:08.50 | Neuro_Medivh | No idea |
| 20:08.53 | Neuro_Medivh | but it does |
| 20:08.54 | zenzio | I trust you're right, just don't see the link |
| 20:09.17 | Neuro_Medivh | it taints the target frame, so it won't show next time you target something |
| 20:09.37 | Neuro_Medivh | I told Cide about it, not sure if he's fixed it or not |
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| 20:10.26 | Scre3m | ct_raid is causing the disappearing target frame? |
| 20:10.44 | Neuro_Medivh | yes |
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| 20:10.57 | Neuro_Medivh | at least, it was for me on TBC beta last week |
| 20:11.03 | Neuro_Medivh | and disabling it fixed it |
| 20:11.13 | Neuro_Medivh | not CT, just CTRA |
| 20:11.14 | Maldivia | zenzio: CTRA hooks PlaySound, to disable the click sound |
| 20:11.22 | zenzio | O_O |
| 20:11.26 | Maldivia | the Target_Update calls PlaySound, hence it's being tainted |
| 20:11.39 | Neuro_Medivh | lol |
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| 20:11.47 | zenzio | I never knew that... how annoying |
| 20:12.14 | Neuro_Medivh | now you know.. and knowing is half the battle! |
| 20:12.58 | End | I wish Beladona would update wdn |
| 20:13.07 | Maldivia | end, want a diff? |
| 20:13.21 | pastamancer | End: http://wowi.pastey.net/4800 diff |
| 20:13.27 | KarlThePagan | WTB screenshot of anyone LFG any heroic dungeon (specifying heroic mode in the LFG system) |
| 20:13.39 | End | I was actually wanting to look at the lfg frame |
| 20:13.45 | zenzio | that's odd... searching my CTRA files for PlaySound doesn't give any indication of hooking, only calling the function |
| 20:13.59 | KarlThePagan | it's not bad End ... I can probably explain most of it |
| 20:14.01 | End | I think I'll look at the diff anyways though |
| 20:14.09 | TC_Working | ~blorb |
| 20:14.26 | purl | ACTION blorbs |
| 20:14.34 | KarlThePagan | I don't see any functionality changing in the blizz LFG UI |
| 20:14.35 | Maldivia | End, why not just download the addon kit, and extract it yourself ? :) |
| 20:14.43 | End | because I'm at work :P |
| 20:14.45 | KarlThePagan | heh |
| 20:14.56 | End | pastamancer: thanks or the dif |
| 20:14.59 | KarlThePagan | End, I'd love help working on Grouper ;) |
| 20:15.09 | End | Grouper? |
| 20:15.19 | KarlThePagan | Grouper (in /files) is my LFG replacement |
| 20:15.29 | KarlThePagan | I need to turn it into a module system soon |
| 20:15.33 | End | ah |
| 20:15.42 | KarlThePagan | and I need to solve the fucking instance name / zone name mismatch |
| 20:16.38 | KarlThePagan | in their genius blizzard decided to show "Dire Maul (West)" as the LFG objective when the zone name is "Dire Maul: West" |
| 20:16.55 | KarlThePagan | so... that's a new localization for every instance not named for the zone |
| 20:17.17 | pastamancer | End: http://wowi.pastey.net/4854 and http://wowi.pastey.net/4855 |
| 20:17.29 | KarlThePagan | which is 12-16 instances in the expansion, because they're listed like "Bone Wastes: Mana-Tombs" instead of the actual zone name :P |
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| 20:17.51 | KarlThePagan | they're not consistent from the screenshots I've seen... which is just great |
| 20:17.54 | JoshBorke | hola |
| 20:17.56 | pastamancer | hihi |
| 20:18.23 | End | pastamancer: thanks |
| 20:18.44 | pastamancer | End: I have wow on my work machine ;) |
| 20:18.59 | End | hehe |
| 20:18.59 | JoshBorke | you suck pastamancer :-P |
| 20:19.00 | End | nice |
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| 20:20.45 | KarlThePagan | ok a few small changes to account for heroic dungeons |
| 20:21.09 | JoshBorke | wow, is the patch load that heavy? |
| 20:21.27 | JoshBorke | wowi had to go to the bare minimums? |
| 20:21.48 | End | wowi was falling over |
| 20:22.01 | End | so apparently yes to both |
| 20:22.13 | foxlit | What did they break? |
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| 20:22.35 | End | huh, what does /benchmark do exactly? |
| 20:22.46 | KarlThePagan | just toc fox ;) that's enough |
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| 20:22.53 | KarlThePagan | plus their own screwups |
| 20:23.12 | KarlThePagan | unless I'm mistaken - my unit frames all worked from 2.0.2 |
| 20:23.18 | Swemetal | how can i parse "The Horde flag was dropped by <name>!" so that i can get <name>? :) |
| 20:23.48 | pastamancer | JoshBorke: 2k simultaneous connections on wowace, and that's with the forums/wiki disabled |
| 20:23.53 | foxlit | local whose, player = string.match(arg1, "The ([^ ]+) flag was dropped by ([^ ]+)!"); |
| 20:24.22 | Swemetal | so whose will be alliance/horde? |
| 20:24.26 | pastamancer | JoshBorke: I'm sure wowi is under even greater strain |
| 20:24.47 | Spekkter | fth =P |
| 20:25.15 | Swemetal | i suppose so, thanks alot for that fast answear! |
| 20:25.22 | Spekkter | lol |
| 20:25.26 | foxlit | + is greedy, right? |
| 20:25.35 | foxlit | Swemetal: yes. |
| 20:25.47 | JoshBorke | woohoo for my svn mirror! |
| 20:25.53 | Spekkter | hey, is anyone else having any issues with their macro's (if you even use any) |
| 20:26.06 | JoshBorke | now i need to just write a perl script that'll grep the toc notes for me |
| 20:26.16 | JoshBorke | or steal the code from your's... |
| 20:26.59 | Swemetal | and if the string isnt "The <faction> flag was dropped by <name>!", will string.match return 0, right? |
| 20:27.23 | Swemetal | hmm... sorry for my broken english. |
| 20:27.25 | foxlit | nil |
| 20:27.34 | Swemetal | thanks |
| 20:27.38 | foxlit | (Which is even better than 0 :) ) |
| 20:28.31 | Spekkter | wow lol, this is too much nerd talk for me :P lol j/p |
| 20:28.32 | Spekkter | ugggh..i gotta break my "lol" habbit... |
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| 20:37.03 | nevcairiel | hm, raidwindow isnt even closing after leaving a battleground |
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| 20:40.05 | Swemetal | i get this error "')' expected near ','" on this line "if(PlayerName, Faction = string.match(Arg1, "([^ ]+) captured the ([^ ]+) flag!"))then", what am i doing wrong? |
| 20:40.25 | JoshBorke | it means you're missing a ) |
| 20:40.43 | foxlit | lua is case-sensitive too. |
| 20:41.04 | foxlit | What you actually mean is |
| 20:41.17 | foxlit | if (string.match(arg1, "([^ ]+) captured the ([^ ]+) flag!")) then |
| 20:41.41 | Swemetal | oh, and after that i'll parse it? |
| 20:41.52 | foxlit | Although that wastes a string.match call -- you should really match it on a separate line, store results, check that the first result isn't nil. |
| 20:41.56 | pastamancer | or for fun: if arg1:match("([^ ]+) captured the ([^ ]+) flag!") then |
| 20:42.16 | Swemetal | hmm |
| 20:42.24 | kaso | haha interesting, The Druid edge of madness ZG trinket has been changed to 400 haste whereas the priest(essientally the same trinket) is still 40% speed increase. |
| 20:42.54 | Swemetal | i got 4 possible strings, and everyone got a <faction> <player> that i want |
| 20:43.12 | Swemetal | and i also want to know if its a drop, capture or pick up |
| 20:43.40 | JoshBorke | lol |
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| 20:48.31 | Kirkburn | Heehee, http://www.acc.umu.se/~zqad/cats/1161382098-1161275828895.jpg |
| 20:49.24 | |FF|Im2good4u | OMG.. blizz dafently di it this time >.< |
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| 20:49.43 | |FF|Im2good4u | new interface i keep loosing my target windos and i cant geti it bakc until after the iight becase its probely protected |
| 20:51.45 | Kirkburn | |FF|Im2good4u, what do I tell you about re-reading what you type? :) But yeah, there are problems |
| 20:53.14 | Kirov | http://www.datarealms.com/devlog/wp-content/uploads/2006/12/fog.gif |
| 20:55.57 | kaso | pretty accurate actually, apart from the radio multiplayer |
| 20:58.34 | Neuro_Medivh | how old is that? |
| 20:58.47 | Kirov | no idea |
| 20:59.00 | kaso | 1990 i guess? it says "within 10 years" and "in year 2000" |
| 20:59.21 | |FF|Im2good4u | we wiped 2 times ay ONY jsut becase u can get a good viuew of wut u are doing whitout the target window |
| 20:59.57 | zenzio | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=64586628&sid=1 <-- anyone know if this is happening for everything? |
| 21:00.05 | |FF|Im2good4u | they also addded MT to the raid interface lol thats stealing |
| 21:01.31 | Neuro_Medivh | stealing from what? |
| 21:01.59 | kaso | i wonder if in 1988 when IRC was invented they though we'd still be using it in nearly 20 years time |
| 21:02.37 | Neuro_Medivh | we're still using the internet, long after Al Gore invented it =) |
| 21:03.13 | zenzio | kaso: older stuff around than IRC |
| 21:03.48 | kaso | well yah, but i thought it was particually relavant seeing as you know we're using IRC right now? |
| 21:04.15 | Kirov | Al Gore works in the same building as I do |
| 21:04.19 | Swemetal | can you make string.match case-insensitive or something? ome of the messages says <faction> Flag, and some <faction> flag |
| 21:04.34 | kaso | replace f with [Ff] |
| 21:04.53 | Neuro_Medivh | Kirov, by "work" you mean "mug to the camera"? |
| 21:04.55 | Swemetal | thanks |
| 21:05.17 | Neuro_Medivh | cause I'm not sure any politicians actually "work" |
| 21:05.34 | Kirov | Neuro_Medivh - His tv network is in my building. |
| 21:05.37 | Kirov | not sure what he actually does there. |
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| 21:06.58 | Neuro_Medivh | that's the great thing about being a politician, there's always someone else to do the work for you |
| 21:07.09 | JoshBorke | bah pastamancer! your script isn't working for me :-( |
| 21:07.52 | pastamancer | JoshBorke: who what?! |
| 21:08.11 | JoshBorke | makemirror.pl |
| 21:08.18 | zenzio | so I'm looking at an "unlisted 2.0.3" thread... saying: "Being out of range for melee attacks while having auto-attack on keeps spamming itself" <--- didn't it already do that? o_O |
| 21:08.29 | JoshBorke | yes |
| 21:09.03 | pastamancer | well, there's some setup involved |
| 21:09.20 | JoshBorke | i checked out the repo |
| 21:09.27 | JoshBorke | omitted externals |
| 21:09.35 | pastamancer | created the temp dirs? |
| 21:10.26 | JoshBorke | it's dieing when looking for "/.svn/dir-wcprops" |
| 21:10.26 | Bouvi | ~seen CogWheel |
| 21:10.30 | purl | cogwheel <n=chatzill@intra.kistlerwine.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 5d 3h 44m 21s ago, saying: 'Heh... My wife and I were going through some old boxes we never unpacked and I found a PC Magazine from sept 04 with a cover story on longhorn XD'. |
| 21:10.30 | pastamancer | oh, svn 1.4 or 1.3? |
| 21:10.30 | JoshBorke | 1.4 |
| 21:10.30 | Bouvi | ~seen Cogwheel |
| 21:10.32 | purl | cogwheel <n=chatzill@intra.kistlerwine.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 5d 3h 44m 23s ago, saying: 'Heh... My wife and I were going through some old boxes we never unpacked and I found a PC Magazine from sept 04 with a cover story on longhorn XD'. |
| 21:10.32 | pastamancer | same directory, mkfiles.pl.txt |
| 21:10.32 | pastamancer | that's the latest |
| 21:10.32 | Bouvi | Wonder if purl is case sensitive |
| 21:10.32 | JoshBorke | don't remember where i got the file :-D |
| 21:10.34 | JoshBorke | purl, poke me |
| 21:10.39 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind joshborke, pokes joshborke repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 21:10.39 | JoshBorke | he's just slow |
| 21:10.39 | Bouvi | Guess not lol |
| 21:10.58 | JoshBorke | you got the name wrong anyway :-P |
| 21:11.12 | zenzio | the time it takes to answer a "seen" seems to increase the longer it has been since the person was around |
| 21:11.26 | Bouvi | Does not look like I did :-P it returned two results |
| 21:12.16 | amro | http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/regular_expressions.png |
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| 21:13.16 | pastamancer | amro: it really happens! |
| 21:13.27 | kaso | haha |
| 21:13.30 | kaso | thats awesome |
| 21:13.48 | foxlit | :) |
| 21:14.45 | JoshBorke | bb all |
| 21:15.39 | amro | pastamancer: with Indiana Jones music in the background?! |
| 21:16.02 | pastamancer | well, you have to hum it yourself |
| 21:18.32 | Neuro_Medivh | so, the iPhone is also an iPod? |
| 21:22.13 | kaso | yes, but it only has flash memory |
| 21:22.18 | kaso | so it isnt huge |
| 21:23.41 | Neuro_Medivh | so not a real iPod =) |
| 21:23.45 | Neuro_Medivh | more like a shuffle |
| 21:24.14 | kaso | well i think it comes in 8gb so, thats mini sized. |
| 21:24.28 | Kirov | It's a really really expensive iPod mini |
| 21:25.18 | Neuro_Medivh | well, 8 gigs isn't really small |
| 21:25.31 | Neuro_Medivh | that's several hours |
| 21:25.37 | alcaras | i love the new ipod suhffle |
| 21:25.44 | alcaras | $79, tiny, beautiful |
| 21:26.05 | Neuro_Medivh | I wonder how the MS mp3 player is doing? |
| 21:26.13 | rjaym | uuh how many gb is it? |
| 21:26.14 | Kirov | heh |
| 21:26.14 | Inside | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:26.17 | alcaras | rjaym: 1gb |
| 21:26.25 | rjaym | hm |
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| 21:26.46 | Neuro_Medivh | I'm sure Jobs is completely happy crushing Gates on the mp3 front |
| 21:27.31 | Kirov | shuffle - 1gb, mini - 2gb, 4gb, 8gb, video - 30gb, 80gb |
| 21:28.29 | Neuro_Medivh | by mini you mean the nano? |
| 21:29.07 | rjaym | well i got my muvo 512mb here for 44$ so mehhh |
| 21:29.55 | Kirov | yes |
| 21:30.23 | Kirov | I have an ancient 30gb iPod, G3 |
| 21:31.15 | kaso | G3 were the best, the touch-pad thing owned |
| 21:32.30 | Kirov | Yeah, I'm not a huge fan of the push button design |
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| 21:32.52 | Kirov | It's one of the things I liked abou the iPod is how hard it was to press the buttons if it wasn't actually a hand doing it. |
| 21:33.02 | sysrage | http://grza.net/GIS/First%20Spawncamp%20Ever.jpg |
| 21:33.05 | Bleeter | pity defense isn't reporting kruul's attacks |
| 21:35.14 | kaso | is it true he just drops the same as Kazzak? |
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| 21:37.22 | Cide | yes |
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| 21:41.42 | wereHamster|away | how I hate forks, 'XYZ's AddonY', 'AddonY continued' etc.. |
| 21:42.16 | sysrage | so don't use um? |
| 21:42.35 | wereHamster | It's not like I am against people working on my addons.. |
| 21:42.57 | wereHamster | I'd actually encourage anyone to commit updates to the svn repo |
| 21:43.23 | wereHamster | but forks usually end up with incompatible version.. |
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| 21:44.12 | kergoth | i like forking in general, being able to do so is a big benefit of open source development in general |
| 21:44.23 | kergoth | the downside is obvious.. when peopl eusing forks come to -you- for support |
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| 21:45.04 | Matholum | hi everyone! |
| 21:46.31 | Kirkburn | Which new server are EU people going on join for launch? We should make an 'official UI people' server? |
| 21:47.14 | Kirkburn | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=108440927&pageNo=1&sid=1#0 |
| 21:47.17 | End | you mean like Draka for the US? |
| 21:47.30 | Kirkburn | Yeah |
| 21:47.52 | Scre3m | how hard would it be to create an ace addon that toggle autoloot on/off when entering a party or raid? |
| 21:48.07 | dorfthedwarf | has anyone read the fight for Shade of Aran in Karazhan? |
| 21:48.10 | Scre3m | ex. i want to autoloot when solo, but certainly not while in a party |
| 21:48.29 | kergoth | Scre3m: wouldnt be difficult at all |
| 21:48.37 | Swemetal | can you use break; or something to break a loop in lua? :) |
| 21:48.45 | AnduinLothar | break |
| 21:48.48 | Swemetal | thanks |
| 21:49.06 | wereHamster | kergoth, for me it ends when teh forked code is of worse quality than the original |
| 21:49.43 | End | I've seen some bad forks as well |
| 21:49.46 | kergoth | wereHamster: well, if its a fork at all while you're still maintaining the main one, more often than not is -is- of worse quality, because its generally the bad code that doesnt get accepted upstream in the first place |
| 21:49.48 | End | I've also seen a ew good forks |
| 21:49.53 | kergoth | heh |
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| 21:50.46 | End | most forks I've seen were after the original maintainer went away, and then several different people start their own forks |
| 21:52.02 | kergoth | makes one wish the person had stuck around long enough to hand off maintainance directly to a new person |
| 21:52.15 | kergoth | like a king choosing an heir rather than just dying, or something |
| 21:52.16 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:52.20 | End | yeah |
| 21:54.52 | Matholum | can someone look at this for me? I am trying to make configs and a menu... but when I run showme() i get nothing |
| 21:54.54 | Matholum | http://www.pastey.net/4860 |
| 21:55.22 | Matholum | it continues to say my variable is empty |
| 21:55.53 | Matholum | (and i don't get "NO!!!" in the chat window |
| 21:57.03 | Kirov | a) when does setup get run? |
| 21:57.06 | foxlit | {} == true |
| 21:57.09 | foxlit | not true = false |
| 21:57.23 | Matholum | when the frame is shown |
| 21:57.25 | Kirov | b) what foxlit said |
| 21:57.29 | Matholum | where is that foxlit? |
| 21:57.45 | foxlit | if(not RunesConfig) then |
| 21:57.46 | Kirov | Matholum - what is in RunesConfig? |
| 21:57.51 | Kirov | anything? |
| 21:58.05 | Eternally777 | Your code inspires a question: in the 'table.foreach' function, is the function in the second argument created as a new function for each key in the table? |
| 21:58.17 | Matholum | right now nothing... that is supposed to also add in the defaults if not set |
| 21:58.39 | foxlit | Eternally777: probably not. LUA should evaluate it before it calls foreach |
| 21:58.53 | kaso | isnt foreach deprecated anyway? |
| 21:58.53 | Kirov | You're iterating over an empty table, so foreach is going to do nothing |
| 21:58.54 | foxlit | At which point it should just be a reference to an anonymous function. |
| 21:59.04 | Eternally777 | Yeah, I think foreach is deprecated. |
| 21:59.04 | foxlit | news to me. |
| 21:59.25 | Matholum | so foxlit.... it should be if(RunesConfig{} == true) ? |
| 21:59.41 | wereHamster | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:59.47 | Cide | table.foreach is indeed deprecated |
| 21:59.49 | foxlit | That wouldn't compile :) |
| 22:00.05 | Cide | it would, and it would be "PARTY" I believe |
| 22:00.06 | Kirov | wereHamster - "PARTY" |
| 22:00.12 | Matholum | i have used the foreach like that in many other cases and it works fine... |
| 22:00.22 | Cide | oh, nevermind, foxlit was replying to another thing :) |
| 22:00.30 | Cide | what Kirov said anyway |
| 22:00.33 | Matholum | oh... |
| 22:00.44 | foxlit | Just remove line 1 |
| 22:00.53 | Matholum | sorry foxlit, but i am still confused on what to change ^_^ |
| 22:00.58 | foxlit | Remove RunesConfig = {} |
| 22:01.02 | Matholum | oh... ok.... |
| 22:01.09 | Cide | Matholum: deprecated usually means it's still there (for the moment!) but its use is discouraged |
| 22:01.11 | foxlit | Without that, if there's no RunesConfig in savedvars, it'll be nil (not nil == true). |
| 22:01.20 | Matholum | then what? (Runes config is my saved variable btw) |
| 22:01.44 | Matholum | oh.... |
| 22:01.45 | Matholum | ok... |
| 22:01.48 | Kirov | if not RunesConfig -> set defaults |
| 22:02.05 | Matholum | ::thinking::\ |
| 22:02.16 | foxlit | That doesn't protect you from some sneaky thing overwriting RunesConfig, but it'll work if no one tampers with things. |
| 22:02.58 | Matholum | someone could mess w/ it? |
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| 22:03.16 | Kirov | or people running for i in pairs(_G) do _G[i] = nil end |
| 22:03.43 | Kirov | (btw, if you don't know what that doesn't don't do it unless you want to loose _everything_) |
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| 22:04.44 | kaso | _G is in available nowadays isnt it? |
| 22:04.45 | Matholum | how is this? http://www.pastey.net/4864 |
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| 22:05.10 | Matholum | i don't think this is global though... leading my showme to fail again |
| 22:05.15 | foxlit | getfenv(0) works last time I tested. |
| 22:05.17 | Cide | _G is global |
| 22:05.33 | Cide | and in by default, unless one of my mods is adding it |
| 22:05.41 | Matholum | i mean my change |
| 22:05.49 | kaso | mm, i mean before _G didnt work in wow, we had to use getfenv(0) but it does now, im not sure if thats a mod or default |
| 22:06.04 | Cide | default I'm pretty certain |
| 22:06.20 | Kirov | not sure why an addon would add _G |
| 22:06.47 | Matholum | dev tools COULD... |
| 22:06.52 | Matholum | making it easier on us |
| 22:07.23 | foxlit | shouldn't leak globals, really |
| 22:08.00 | Matholum | is my new one ok? |
| 22:08.10 | Kirov | Matholum - you tell us ( run it) |
| 22:08.28 | Matholum | ( i think i did that a while ago... but ok ^_^ |
| 22:08.44 | [Liq] | I play WoW with a touch screen. Therefor I'm the best PvP player !!! (Note Damage is scaled with how hard I punch my screen) |
| 22:09.35 | Kirov | [Liq] - so, you can hit someone really softly a lot, or once really hard |
| 22:09.59 | Matholum | nope.... -_- |
| 22:10.02 | Kirov | (only once because you've just destroyed your screen) |
| 22:10.23 | Matholum | lol |
| 22:10.38 | Kirov | when does LoadConfig run? |
| 22:10.50 | Matholum | on addon loaded |
| 22:10.59 | Kirov | ah, right, see i tnow |
| 22:11.12 | Matholum | T_T that wrong? |
| 22:11.36 | Kirov | nothing, that's correct |
| 22:11.44 | Matholum | ok |
| 22:11.55 | foxlit | "In addition to the Goblin Auctioneers, there is also a white owl named O'Reilly flying around Narain Soothfancy's hut in Northeastern Tanaris. As mentioned this is a reference to the O Rly owl. " |
| 22:12.30 | foxlit | Hm, nevermind, owl :) |
| 22:13.21 | Neuro_Medivh | ORLY? |
| 22:13.34 | Matholum | I can't wait till i get an owl as a pet ^_^ (they are domestic i think) |
| 22:13.44 | Neuro_Medivh | they're birds |
| 22:13.58 | Kirov | Matholum - do you have dev tools? |
| 22:14.04 | Matholum | yup |
| 22:14.05 | Neuro_Medivh | can't stand birds for pets. |
| 22:14.12 | Matholum | lol... |
| 22:14.18 | Kirov | Matholum - what does /dump RunesConfig do |
| 22:15.03 | Matholum | RunesConfig={} |
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| 22:16.22 | Kirov | are you sure that setup is running? |
| 22:16.36 | Matholum | yes |
| 22:16.41 | Kirov | how? |
| 22:16.48 | Matholum | (my checkbox has text) |
| 22:16.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | weeee got all my addons running except decursive |
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| 22:20.17 | sysrage | new decursive = clique |
| 22:20.36 | Xolan | always been ;P |
| 22:20.39 | Antiarc | clique + grid is pure sexy. |
| 22:20.48 | kergoth | indeed |
| 22:20.53 | Xolan | or clique + perfectraid :) |
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| 22:21.03 | Antiarc | Xolan: :O |
| 22:21.06 | Antiarc | Look what you did! |
| 22:21.07 | foxlit | Hm. |
| 22:21.08 | Antiarc | You said the name! |
| 22:21.11 | Antiarc | *grin* |
| 22:21.21 | Xolan | what? o_O |
| 22:21.26 | Antiarc | 10[15:16] Xolan: 01or clique + perfectraid :) |
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| 22:21.32 | Xolan | ah lol |
| 22:21.37 | cladhaire | zomg |
| 22:21.44 | Mikma | WRYYYYYYYYY |
| 22:23.55 | Matholum | To me, the only think is that RunesConfig doesn't seem to be global... but i don't understand how saved variables really... |
| 22:24.08 | Matholum | **work really |
| 22:24.19 | Cide | saved variables must be global |
| 22:24.50 | Xolan | I read the little howto on wowwiki, but I have no idea how to write/call saved variables :( |
| 22:25.11 | Matholum | so, if it has to be global, is this wrong? http://www.pastey.net/4864 |
| 22:25.26 | Matholum | Xolan... i still am lost |
| 22:25.36 | Matholum | and the wiki on it is weird |
| 22:25.59 | Neuro_Medivh | Matholum, it's fairly simple, you list the saved variables in the toc |
| 22:26.10 | Neuro_Medivh | and the game will load them in for you |
| 22:26.19 | Matholum | i did that... but then i just act like it exists right/ |
| 22:26.24 | Neuro_Medivh | that's it |
| 22:26.26 | Neuro_Medivh | yes |
| 22:26.30 | Cide | only after VARIABLES_LOADED or ADDON_LOADED |
| 22:26.33 | a-stray-cat | wierdness, GetSpellName is returning name+rank now? |
| 22:26.40 | Neuro_Medivh | just remember, they don't get loaded until VARIABLES_LOADED |
| 22:26.41 | Matholum | what do you use GetCVar for then? |
| 22:26.47 | Cide | no |
| 22:26.47 | Neuro_Medivh | that's character variables |
| 22:27.04 | Matholum | ya... i thought i understood all that, but it isn't working so far ^_^ |
| 22:27.13 | Matholum | oh |
| 22:27.15 | Xolan | it might be that events part that screwed me over :P will have to take a closer look me thinks |
| 22:27.35 | kaso | i should know this but my mind has gone blank, how do you access the arguments in when you used ... |
| 22:27.41 | Neuro_Medivh | Math, change addon_loaded to variables_loaded |
| 22:27.51 | Matholum | i will try |
| 22:28.13 | a-stray-cat | is there any particular reason why SPELL_UPDATE_COOLDOWN keeps getting called even if nothing is cooling down? |
| 22:28.19 | a-stray-cat | er firing |
| 22:29.20 | Xolan | hm |
| 22:29.43 | Matholum | i did the dump again... nothin |
| 22:30.48 | Neuro_Medivh | well, first thing: Is your function really called "setup()"? |
| 22:31.13 | Xolan | should make it 100% sure to be unique |
| 22:31.19 | Neuro_Medivh | yeah |
| 22:31.25 | Neuro_Medivh | those function names are REALLY generic |
| 22:31.37 | a-stray-cat | nvm about GetSpellName, i'm just dumb |
| 22:31.53 | Matholum | hmm... i will fix the name... |
| 22:31.57 | Neuro_Medivh | a-stray-cat, you're not dumb, you're just special |
| 22:31.58 | a-stray-cat | but SPELL_UPDATE_COOLDOWN still seems to be firing for no reason :/ |
| 22:32.27 | Neuro_Medivh | Dates Up, Cools Down. |
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| 22:33.30 | Matholum | one sec... brb |
| 22:33.33 | Neuro_Medivh | also, you seem to be checking for the saved variable every time you Show() the frame |
| 22:33.41 | Neuro_Medivh | that seems a bit wasteful |
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| 22:34.26 | Neuro_Medivh | also, have you completely logged out of WoW after adding the SavedVariable line to your TOC? |
| 22:34.35 | Xolan | is checking for a SV more stressing on the client than checking for a "normal" global variable then? |
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| 22:34.48 | Cide | saved variables *are* global variables |
| 22:35.00 | Neuro_Medivh | No, I just think checking for it every OnShow is wasteful |
| 22:35.07 | Xolan | ah |
| 22:35.12 | Neuro_Medivh | really, you only need to check when you load the addon |
| 22:35.19 | Xolan | yep true |
| 22:35.32 | Xolan | and it auto saves on UI engine shutdown right? |
| 22:35.37 | Neuro_Medivh | yes |
| 22:35.57 | Neuro_Medivh | into a text file in the WTF directory |
| 22:36.14 | Xolan | yeah, I'm dumb but not that dumb :) |
| 22:36.54 | Neuro_Medivh | heheh |
| 22:37.10 | Xolan | is there any distict changes to the api in 2.0.3 compared to 2.0.1? |
| 22:37.29 | Neuro_Medivh | the biggest is probably something to do with cooldown timers |
| 22:37.33 | VoidRaider|afk | rarely only additions |
| 22:37.40 | VoidRaider|afk | and hi :) |
| 22:37.55 | Xolan | yeah I got an error or two about those for every bloody button I click ;P |
| 22:38.13 | Neuro_Medivh | so, VR, how do you raid a void? Isn't there nothing there to raid? |
| 22:39.29 | VoidRaider | Hmm, yeah I recall it's a nick and not something I should dig into or find it logical :) |
| 22:39.45 | Neuro_Medivh | lol |
| 22:40.02 | Neuro_Medivh | "I raid the void, and bring back heaping piles of nothing!" |
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| 22:40.15 | TC_Working | sounds like my job |
| 22:40.36 | Xolan | kinda like an amateur magician then :) |
| 22:40.43 | Xolan | pulling stuff out of hats |
| 22:40.54 | Neuro_Medivh | ooh, that reminds me, I have the Illusionist to watch |
| 22:41.11 | Xolan | have no idea what that is, but have fun :) |
| 22:41.34 | Neuro_Medivh | movie starring Ed Norton and Jessica Biel |
| 22:41.34 | TC_Working | no, i was more refering to my paycheck |
| 22:43.13 | VoidRaider | Besides I mean your nick is that important to you ? |
| 22:43.47 | Xolan | well it's the first thing other players see |
| 22:44.13 | TC_Working | personaly i see nicks as ID not as a discriptor |
| 22:44.22 | Xolan | "smellyfeet" for example doesn't pull off a great first impression :) |
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| 22:45.37 | VoidRaider | Yeah well my game name is not VoidRaider it's just my nick since old days of BBS I made so I kept it.. |
| 22:45.54 | Xolan | :)' |
| 22:47.07 | VoidRaider | I don't care from nicks I care from my real life name more then I care from my nicks, you can call me a fish if you want as long as I know it's me you referring to |
| 22:47.43 | Xolan | lol |
| 22:47.50 | VoidRaider | ^^ |
| 22:47.52 | Neuro_Medivh | So, VoidFish? Or FishRaider? |
| 22:47.52 | Xolan | yep, more like an ID then like TC says |
| 22:47.59 | Xolan | oo FishRaider |
| 22:48.00 | Neuro_Medivh | I think VoidFish sounds cooler, personally |
| 22:48.00 | VoidRaider | Yeah sounds great :) |
| 22:48.13 | VoidRaider | np :) |
| 22:48.16 | Mikma | GreatPole |
| 22:48.21 | Neuro_Medivh | "I am the VoidFish, I swim in the inky blackness between worlds!" |
| 22:48.39 | Xolan | sounds like something blizzard would put in outlands |
| 22:48.40 | VoidRaider | Yeah, that must be it! |
| 22:48.43 | Xolan | flying fish |
| 22:48.47 | VoidRaider | lol |
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| 22:52.06 | Matholum | sorry |
| 22:52.09 | Matholum | i am back |
| 22:52.26 | VoidRaider | You're sorry ? :P |
| 22:52.44 | TC_Working | he's sorry he's back |
| 22:52.50 | Matholum | well... you guys were helping me |
| 22:52.55 | VoidRaider | haha :D |
| 22:53.02 | TC_Working | shame Matholum, shame |
| 22:53.03 | Matholum | i am sorry i left ^_^ |
| 22:53.18 | Matholum | did anyone figure out anything? |
| 22:53.27 | sysrage | i figured out the meaning of life |
| 22:53.31 | TC_Working | we figured out you left |
| 22:53.57 | Matholum | lol |
| 22:54.00 | VoidRaider | If I had the strength I would change it long time ago, but I'm registered to so many groups and forums with that name haha but Neuro you have a special permission to call me whatever you feel like as long as it constructive and mature haha |
| 22:54.26 | Matholum | Yes... i have logged out since it has been in my TOC |
| 22:54.36 | TC_Working | constructive and mature?....ummm...that doesnt apply to Neuro_Medivh |
| 22:55.32 | VoidRaider | So he better work on it :) |
| 22:55.32 | Neuro_Medivh | I'm down with VoidFish actually |
| 22:55.45 | VoidRaider | Great :) |
| 22:55.45 | Neuro_Medivh | sounds just... cool |
| 22:56.11 | VoidFish | Changed so you will feel better lol |
| 22:56.20 | Neuro_Medivh | not that Voidraider isn't ok, I was just giving you a hard time earlier =0 |
| 22:56.30 | VoidFish | no prob :P |
| 22:56.43 | Moosemorals | Do I need to define all variables within functions as 'local'? (if I don't need to, is it The Right Way to do things?) |
| 22:57.24 | kergoth | Moosemorals: its the right way |
| 22:57.44 | Moosemorals | thanks |
| 22:57.47 | VoidFish | If you can do things localy jsut do it :) |
| 22:57.52 | VoidFish | just* |
| 22:58.41 | Eternally777 | Well, it's the right way *most of the time* |
| 22:58.47 | Tierrie|Work | we should have a total mosh! |
| 22:58.50 | Tierrie|Work | moooosh! |
| 22:58.53 | VoidFish | that goes to functions even, if you can declare them localy you better do that |
| 22:58.56 | Bleeter | so... what's kruul's reset timer (to despawn)? |
| 22:59.15 | Moosemorals | would that be local to the file then, for functions? |
| 22:59.36 | Moosemorals | (I'm thinking 'local function blah()' |
| 22:59.47 | VoidFish | yeah :) |
| 22:59.50 | Eternally777 | For more details, see: http://www.lua.org/pil/4.2.html |
| 22:59.58 | Neuro_Medivh | The more local you can get it, the better |
| 23:00.14 | Neuro_Medivh | as a basic rule of thumb |
| 23:00.14 | VoidFish | local function x() or local x = function() |
| 23:00.24 | Moosemorals | I'm fairly new to Lua, although I've been programming perl for a while |
| 23:00.42 | Neuro_Medivh | ~perl |
| 23:00.48 | purl | i guess perl is at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/Perl or at http://www.perl.com, or a knitting stitch, or the Pathologically Eclectic rubbish Lister, or that other "P" language |
| 23:01.01 | Neuro_Medivh | eh, thought it would be something more amusing |
| 23:01.35 | TC_Working | rubbish should be capitalized |
| 23:01.49 | Neuro_Medivh | ~purl |
| 23:01.50 | purl | purl is, like, the embodiment of EVIL! |
| 23:01.56 | Neuro_Medivh | ahh, that's more like it |
| 23:02.10 | VoidFish | haha |
| 23:02.11 | TC_Working | ~botsnack |
| 23:02.11 | purl | :), TC_Working |
| 23:03.48 | Matholum | ok... here is what i have |
| 23:03.50 | Matholum | http://www.pastey.net/4866 |
| 23:03.52 | kahdgarxi | purl, you're spoiled. |
| 23:04.16 | Matholum | and now it isn't making RunesConfig global, so i get an error for setup |
| 23:04.26 | VoidFish | purl is the machine I take it, hmm maybe he's The Terminator you never know :P |
| 23:05.40 | TC_Working | ~hug VoidFish |
| 23:05.42 | purl | ACTION hugs VoidFish |
| 23:05.47 | Cairenn | purl, what are you? |
| 23:05.48 | purl | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 23:05.52 | TC_Working | ya...serious terminator.... |
| 23:05.58 | Cairenn | ~blootbot |
| 23:05.59 | purl | well, blootbot is an IRC bot written in perl descended from infobot. Hosted on SF. Patches welcome, submit on SF or mailto:Tim@Rikers.org, or http://blootbot.sourceforge.net/,. I am a blootbot |
| 23:06.04 | Moosemorals | that just means it's learnt how to lie |
| 23:06.24 | Tierrie|Work | i suppose even on irc there's no need to communicate directly with anyone anymore, just have the bot do the talking for you |
| 23:06.26 | TC_Working | the link is 404 |
| 23:06.39 | TC_Working | takeaway the ., at the end |
| 23:07.22 | Matholum | who's bot is it? |
| 23:07.32 | VoidFish | Cair ofc |
| 23:07.42 | Matholum | oh |
| 23:07.48 | Cairenn | ~timriker |
| 23:07.50 | purl | somebody said timriker was my owner http://rikers.org/ mailto:Tim@Rikers.org mailto:TimR@Debian.org maintainer of BZFlag, member of a ton of open source projects http://www.advogato.com/person/timriker/ http://sourceforge.net/users/timriker/ the guy who GPL'd SCO's ABI files, giving every Linux user the right to use them ;-), or a very cool guy. |
| 23:07.57 | VoidFish | :P |
| 23:09.00 | TC_Working | ~blootbot |
| 23:09.01 | purl | from memory, blootbot is an IRC bot written in perl descended from infobot. Hosted on SF. Patches welcome, submit on SF or mailto:Tim@Rikers.org, or http://blootbot.sourceforge.net/,. I am a blootbot |
| 23:09.08 | TC_Working | damit....... |
| 23:09.29 | Tierrie|Work | goddamn it, is a need to keep making the bot repeat itself |
| 23:09.40 | VoidFish | lol |
| 23:09.52 | TC_Working | i am trying to fix it, stop bitching |
| 23:10.13 | kahdgarxi | ah |
| 23:10.14 | Matholum | http://www.pastey.net/4866 -_-.... anyone? |
| 23:10.20 | kahdgarxi | i don't think i'll ever get tired of that |
| 23:10.56 | VoidFish | Yeah what's wrong Matholum ? |
| 23:11.53 | Matholum | well... i am trying to make my saved vars and a menu... RunesConfig is the var... and earlier they told me to put it like that, but now it isn't global and my second part errors... |
| 23:12.02 | Matholum | i dunno what to do now... -_- |
| 23:14.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | purl, What is a man? |
| 23:14.07 | purl | Mr_Rabies2: what are you talking about? |
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| 23:14.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | :x |
| 23:14.32 | TC_Working | ~man |
| 23:14.34 | purl | Tem and Tain are the man. |
| 23:14.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | i was hoping for a miserable pile of secrets |
| 23:14.48 | Neuro_Medivh | ~moo |
| 23:14.49 | purl | mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/moo/ and http://www.riddleme.com/html/cow2.html |
| 23:15.13 | TC_Working | check out the second links, it's funny |
| 23:15.16 | TC_Working | link* |
| 23:16.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | hope i don't break something :x |
| 23:16.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | purl, a man is A miserable little pile of secrets! |
| 23:16.44 | purl | ...but man is already something else... |
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| 23:16.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | what, crap :p |
| 23:16.57 | VoidRaider|afk | Sorry got disconnected :) |
| 23:16.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Castlevania:_Symphony_of_the_Night |
| 23:17.10 | kahdgarxi | WTF |
| 23:17.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://youtube.com/watch?v=9gEGIT9anJ0 |
| 23:17.50 | Matholum | oh... my error is that RunesConfig isn't global... |
| 23:18.00 | Matholum | configs are hard.... -_- |
| 23:18.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | this game has the worst dubbing ever |
| 23:18.59 | Neuro_Medivh | worse than All your Base? |
| 23:19.18 | kahdgarxi | hey now, don't diss Zero Wing |
| 23:19.39 | VoidRaider | Hmm you shouldn't use table.foreach it's deprecated |
| 23:19.50 | Cairenn | Mr_Rabies2: If you want to program purl and there is something already defined for the term you are trying to program, you have to use the following syntax: "purl, no, X is <action> y" or "purl, no, X is <reply> y" |
| 23:20.01 | VoidRaider | use for k, v pairs(tbl) do instead |
| 23:20.01 | Matholum | what else should i use? |
| 23:20.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | well i don't really feel like replacing someone else's stuff for a lame castlevania joke :p |
| 23:20.18 | Matholum | ok... in pairs... ok |
| 23:20.20 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 23:20.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | Zero wing didn't have dubbing, just terrible terrible text |
| 23:20.47 | TC_Working | or "purl, no, Cairenn is <reply> always correct" |
| 23:20.53 | Matholum | (i have lots of those to fix then ^_^) |
| 23:21.02 | Cairenn | Mr_Rabies2: that is usually the best option, folks get pissy when someone messes around with their factoids, for obvious reasons |
| 23:21.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | some random guys had a fandub kinda thing at the end |
| 23:21.36 | VoidRaider | don't declare two functions that do the same thing function loadConfig() and function do_defaults() |
| 23:21.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | s/at the end/later/ |
| 23:22.07 | Matholum | did i forget to delete the old stuff outr of setup? |
| 23:22.57 | Matholum | oh |
| 23:23.11 | VoidRaider | and don't ever do the same checks in your code, well if something need the same check you should think how to minimize the calls and avoid it |
| 23:23.14 | VoidRaider | :D |
| 23:23.16 | Matholum | i see.... remove the if around RunesConfig = {} |
| 23:23.38 | Matholum | that what you mean? |
| 23:23.48 | Neuro_Medivh | Also, I see that your addon isn't Aced, you need to fix that |
| 23:24.02 | Neuro_Medivh | lol |
| 23:24.08 | Matholum | what is that? |
| 23:24.08 | Neuro_Medivh | I was wondering who would smack me |
| 23:24.23 | Matholum | i dunno what Aced is -_- |
| 23:24.25 | Cairenn | he was being a smartass |
| 23:24.30 | Cairenn | just ignore the comment |
| 23:24.31 | Matholum | oh...\ |
| 23:24.33 | Neuro_Medivh | had I known it would be Cairenn, I'd have said it much earlier =) |
| 23:24.47 | Matholum | >_< i was confused para nada! |
| 23:24.58 | VoidRaider | if(not RunesConfig) then and if(not RunesConfig) then ... appear twice and these functions frankly do the same thing :) |
| 23:25.30 | Matholum | that is why i said remove the if around RunesConfig = {}... that better? |
| 23:25.31 | foxlit | Hey, that's not a bad thing |
| 23:26.10 | Matholum | why is RunesConfig not being global? it is my saved one... |
| 23:26.31 | foxlit | It, er, is global. |
| 23:26.41 | Bleeter | kruul needs to l2elevator |
| 23:26.46 | VoidRaider | no you must check if it's not referenced yet then do stuff, in short pass everything from function do_defaults() to function loadConfig() |
| 23:26.51 | Matholum | then why when setup loads, it can't find it |
| 23:27.34 | Matholum | i am confused.... |
| 23:28.04 | Matholum | it is event -> loadConfig -> do_defaults -> Show -> setup |
| 23:28.05 | foxlit | Do /dump RunesConfig |
| 23:28.09 | Matholum | kk |
| 23:28.33 | Matholum | RunesConfig={} still |
| 23:28.45 | Matholum | but it couldn't find it in setup... |
| 23:28.49 | foxlit | Yes. |
| 23:28.56 | foxlit | Runes config is an empty table. |
| 23:29.03 | foxlit | You're checking for an undeclared variable. |
| 23:29.09 | VoidRaider | setup Oo :// |
| 23:29.30 | Matholum | but it shouldn't be... cuz right after i declare it as an empty table it gets added to |
| 23:29.35 | foxlit | Because RunesConfig={}, it won't trigger do_defaults(); |
| 23:29.43 | VoidRaider | you better prefix it |
| 23:30.03 | Matholum | (i am now changing setup to RunesSetup) |
| 23:30.09 | VoidRaider | great :) |
| 23:30.25 | foxlit | You already have the variable in your savedvars -- it's simply loaded before ADDON_LOADED code runs |
| 23:30.25 | Matholum | prefix it? |
| 23:30.38 | foxlit | MySuperAwesomeDuperAddon_FunctionName |
| 23:31.06 | foxlit | s/SuperAwesomeDuper/(insert your own string of adjectives here)/ |
| 23:31.47 | kahdgarxi | ~botsnack |
| 23:31.47 | purl | kahdgarxi: aw, gee |
| 23:31.52 | Matholum | why do that? -_-... |
| 23:31.55 | Matholum | i like my names |
| 23:31.58 | Matholum | ^_^ |
| 23:32.06 | kahdgarxi | so that somebody else doesn't use the same name |
| 23:32.25 | Matholum | oh... well i kinda did... RunesConfig ^_^ |
| 23:32.34 | kahdgarxi | you have to account for the fact that yours is probably not the only addon being run |
| 23:32.42 | foxlit | All of the functions are in the global namespace. |
| 23:32.58 | Matholum | yup ^_^ |
| 23:33.05 | foxlit | So generic names like "setup" or "do_defaults" are somewhat likely to collide and cause something to not function as expected. |
| 23:33.52 | Matholum | i see... ^_^... i didn't think of defaults... |
| 23:34.22 | Matholum | (defaults is now RunesDefaults) |
| 23:34.23 | VoidRaider | You can also use a namespace such as local Runs = { } Runs.Func = function() do stuff end or declare Runs globaly though well it's short name so I won't suggest you to do it :P |
| 23:35.21 | Moosemorals | So if I have a line like 'foo = 6' does that declare foo as a global? |
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| 23:35.22 | foxlit | Yes |
| 23:35.22 | VoidRaider | yup |
| 23:35.23 | Moosemorals | heck |
| 23:35.35 | foxlit | Everything that isn't explicitly local is global. |
| 23:35.43 | VoidRaider | You better :) |
| 23:36.20 | foxlit | I'm sure generic variables like i, j, k, key, val, key2, val2, v are all shuffled about randomly every few events. |
| 23:36.54 | VoidRaider | Even functions, basically few are the functions that needs to be on the global scope such as widgets handlers and even then using a namespace is great :) |
| 23:36.57 | foxlit | Wonder if there's a script somewhere that can read LUA and tell what variables you're polluting in the global namespace. |
| 23:37.38 | Moosemorals | I've just worked out about handlers (as my script stoped working) |
| 23:38.54 | Matholum | so.... what should i try now? |
| 23:39.20 | foxlit | ./script RunesConfig = nil; ReloadUI(); |
| 23:39.43 | Matholum | oh! ok |
| 23:39.48 | Matholum | (i didn't think of setting it like that |
| 23:40.15 | foxlit | Just run that once -- it should clear the value in savedvariables, and your code should reinit it cleanly. |
| 23:41.21 | Matholum | ! attempt to index global 'RunesConfig' (a nil value) |
| 23:42.12 | VoidRaider | function doEvent()... use the following instead function doEvent(eventArgOrSomeOtherName) if(eventArgOrSomeOtherName == "EVENT_NAME") then ... end end ... and send the event through the event OnEvent ... |
| 23:42.47 | VoidRaider | I'll paste you an example |
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| 23:45.02 | Tierrie|Work | I onced tried to metatable the _G namespace and replace __newindex so that when you wrote to global it would scold you |
| 23:45.07 | Tierrie|Work | but it crashed wow instead |
| 23:45.38 | VoidRaider | http://www.pastey.net/4867 |
| 23:46.25 | End | Tierrie|Work: you wouldn't want to do that or other reasons anyways |
| 23:46.32 | Matholum | is that a better way to do it? |
| 23:46.37 | End | I'll be damned i I'll be scolded for creating slash commands or example |
| 23:46.47 | End | (btw, my f key sucks) |
| 23:47.24 | VoidRaider | Yeah, it is simple because you use the local argument instead of the global event arg :) |
| 23:47.28 | kahdgarxi | End - you need a new keyboard |
| 23:47.35 | VoidRaider | simply* |
| 23:47.36 | End | kahdgarxi: maybe |
| 23:48.15 | Matholum | ok |
| 23:48.34 | End | also, you'd taint the hell out of everything, considering you'd prevent this |
| 23:48.57 | sysrage | no updates from clad yet today? |
| 23:49.11 | End | (well, not prevent I guess, but muck with) |
| 23:49.18 | Matholum | i still have that error though... -_- |
| 23:49.29 | Matholum | want a repost? |
| 23:49.40 | VoidRaider | yeah |
| 23:49.45 | End | Matholum: WoW's saved variables remember nils |
| 23:49.47 | Matholum | ok |
| 23:50.18 | Matholum | ok.... |
| 23:50.32 | End | are you doing load defaults on the "top level", let WoW over write with saved, or let WoW load saved, override with defaults if nil? |
| 23:50.55 | Matholum | i dunno |
| 23:52.19 | foxlit | End: load saved vars, check that the config isn't nil (if it is, copy from default stored elsewhere). |
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| 23:52.51 | Matholum | ah... thanks foxlit ^_^ |
| 23:52.53 | foxlit | Come to think of it, I've got excellently poachable code for that, but it's sort of long. |
| 23:53.01 | Matholum | cur ver.... http://www.pastey.net/4868 |
| 23:53.58 | sysrage | sheesh. not even half my mod have updates yet. slackers! :P |
| 23:54.01 | sysrage | (kidding. chill) |
| 23:54.03 | End | then setting to nil -should- clear setings just fine |
| 23:54.34 | Matholum | i will redo what foxlit said earlier and try a test again |
| 23:54.36 | foxlit | General idea is that there's a defaults table loaded at loadtime, which is then merged into the table from SVs (key-based insert), then purges runtime settings table from any variables not in default (which cleans up any potential deprecated stuff). Pretty nice :) |
| 23:54.49 | foxlit | I think I described how it works at th emoment. |
| 23:54.58 | foxlit | s/h e/he / |
| 23:56.30 | Matholum | oh |
| 23:56.42 | Matholum | same error btw |
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| 23:56.54 | foxlit | ehrtr? |
| 23:57.01 | foxlit | d'oh. |
| 23:57.03 | foxlit | where? |
| 23:57.21 | End | -someone- had their fingers just slightly misplaced |
| 23:57.23 | End | :P |
| 23:57.56 | Matholum | it can't find RunesConfig when it does it in RunesSetup |
| 23:59.48 | End | well |
| 23:59.50 | End | I know why |
