| 00:00.08 | Kirkburn | Tseric says: "The expansion has already gone gold. We see no reason why the game isn't going to be on the shelves at the planned date." |
| 00:00.35 | foxlit | Oh, it's going to be on the shelves. |
| 00:00.47 | foxlit | The question is, is it going to be online? |
| 00:01.04 | nymbia | the amount of copies they're making, probably went gold a few weeks ago. |
| 00:01.09 | Guillotine | I don't see why they don't have it available online. All the data is going to have to be included in patches anyway |
| 00:02.12 | nymbia | Guillotine: why would non-expansion users need expansion only data? |
| 00:02.13 | foxlit | Thing is, what they've shipped =/= what will be live |
| 00:02.13 | Guillotine | specifically which data is 'expansion only'? |
| 00:02.13 | Guillotine | all items are going to be seen in normal areas, so they still need that data |
| 00:02.13 | foxlit | Outland geomtry |
| 00:02.13 | foxlit | *geometry |
| 00:02.14 | nymbia | Guillotine: terrain/texture data that only expansion users can access |
| 00:02.19 | nymbia | foxlit: that's what 2.0.3 is for. |
| 00:02.23 | foxlit | Exactly. |
| 00:02.34 | Tierrie|Work | oh gno its gold! |
| 00:02.39 | Tierrie|Work | people have to work over xmas and new years |
| 00:02.39 | foxlit | They can botch 2.0.3 perfectly well and still ship the disks. |
| 00:02.40 | Tierrie|Work | woe |
| 00:02.44 | Guillotine | I'm still guessing expansion and non-expansion users are going to have the exact same client |
| 00:02.46 | Guillotine | but I could be wrong |
| 00:03.01 | Tierrie|Work | i hope so |
| 00:03.06 | Guillotine | for example, look at the test realm. even non-expansion people have the same client |
| 00:03.09 | Tierrie|Work | but there's a difference in the tbc client and the current client |
| 00:03.09 | subbawt | i would assume so, too |
| 00:03.26 | Tierrie|Work | for example, in the current client if i try to turn my sound volume up or down it stalls the screens |
| 00:03.34 | Tierrie|Work | it doesn't do that in the tbc client |
| 00:03.48 | Guillotine | well, everything thats live is a VERY old version of TBC it seems |
| 00:03.50 | nymbia | Guillotine: non-expansion users do not have, and will never have, expansion.mpq. other than that, the clients are identical |
| 00:03.53 | foxlit | client =/= data included with client, as well |
| 00:04.03 | Tierrie|Work | they should have named it buythis.mpq |
| 00:04.06 | Guillotine | right |
| 00:04.22 | Guillotine | though there are some things included in expansion.mpq that normal users are going to need |
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| 00:04.34 | nymbia | like? |
| 00:04.35 | Guillotine | LamentOfTheHighborne.wav is played during an event in Undercity for example |
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| 00:04.46 | Guillotine | my guess is that they move that to normal mpq though |
| 00:04.53 | nymbia | yeah. |
| 00:04.53 | foxlit | yep. |
| 00:04.55 | Guillotine | even though its credits music for tbc |
| 00:05.02 | Dissonanc | How do I check if a variable is infinite in LUA? (I've tried isInf(myvariable) but it gives me an error saying: "attempt to call field 'isInf' (a nil value)" |
| 00:05.11 | foxlit | There's no infinity. |
| 00:05.14 | Bouvi | OK here is a ponder. How can I do a GetAutoLootDefault and get it to tell me what it's value is? How can I assign it to a variable and then do the AddMessage thing. |
| 00:05.25 | foxlit | actually, nevermind, there is. |
| 00:05.31 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:05.50 | Dissonanc | Hrm. I never thought of that. |
| 00:05.58 | Dissonanc | I'll go check. |
| 00:06.40 | Kirkburn | <foxlit> There's no infinity. <-- aww, I thought that was very deep and meaningful! |
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| 00:06.50 | foxlit | 8kB/s down, 35 kB/s up. There's no justice to this torrent. |
| 00:07.23 | foxlit | 0/0 == INDEFINITE :P |
| 00:07.41 | foxlit | Wonder why they even included those and not raised a divide by 0 exception. |
| 00:07.57 | Hobinheim | is there a website affiliated with this room |
| 00:08.08 | foxlit | www.wowinterface.com ? |
| 00:08.30 | Cairenn | Hobinheim: sorta/not really |
| 00:08.38 | ScytheBlade1 | So, what if I really, REALLY don't want FuBar at the bottom of my screen AND top of my screen? |
| 00:08.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Is there any way to move all of the plugins to one of them? |
| 00:08.56 | Cairenn | it's got WoWI in the name because I host it, but we've got staff from the other sites in here as well |
| 00:09.13 | Cairenn | I try to be non-partisan |
| 00:09.17 | Tierrie|Work | try infinity |
| 00:09.17 | Hobinheim | new here, came at the suggestion from the wowwiki channel |
| 00:09.24 | Tierrie|Work | or NaN |
| 00:09.40 | Dissonanc | foxlit: That worked! Thanks. |
| 00:09.54 | foxlit | okay :) |
| 00:10.12 | Hobinheim | where can i find the innards to a data-miner like thottbot. i'm under the impression thottbot in particular is jammed into cosmos? |
| 00:10.20 | Hobinheim | err lua only by the way, no client side stuff |
| 00:10.34 | Tierrie|Work | nvm |
| 00:10.44 | Tierrie|Work | You need to define infinity! |
| 00:10.48 | Bruce | Oh blimey, it's like a #wowi-lounge / #wowwiki love fest in here |
| 00:10.54 | Cairenn | heh |
| 00:11.03 | Tierrie|Work | i wonder if you can define nullity as well |
| 00:11.05 | Cairenn | along with wowace & norganna & cosmos too |
| 00:11.40 | Cairenn | as I said, non-partisan |
| 00:12.08 | Hobinheim | bruce are you following me |
| 00:12.21 | Bruce | Yes. |
| 00:12.22 | Hobinheim | i am here for an escape, and some knowledge. our channel used to be quiet |
| 00:12.28 | Bruce | I'm looking for Bruce |
| 00:12.32 | Bruce | Anyone seen Bruce? |
| 00:12.42 | Bruce | Or Sheila? |
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| 00:13.11 | Guillotine | Hobinheim: you might get the most info on thottbot type stuff fromt he #cosmostesters channel on DataVertex |
| 00:13.12 | foxlit | ~purl, save bruce |
| 00:13.25 | purl | ACTION runs into a burning building and saves bruce from certain death. Is that enough? |
| 00:13.25 | foxlit | meh. |
| 00:13.25 | foxlit | ~save Bruce |
| 00:13.31 | purl | ACTION runs into a burning building and saves Bruce from certain death. Is that enough? |
| 00:13.32 | Bruce | Hey, stop picking on Bruce, he's my mate! |
| 00:13.34 | Cairenn | lol |
| 00:13.40 | foxlit | puuuuuurl... |
| 00:13.43 | Hobinheim | are there any other thottbot-esque mods that you know of? |
| 00:13.58 | Guillotine | though thott doesn't give out un-obfuscated versions of the thottbot program |
| 00:14.03 | Guillotine | Hobinheim: check out MobInfo2 |
| 00:14.10 | Guillotine | it gives you an idea of what they do |
| 00:14.23 | Hobinheim | i'm trying to write my own data thingie thingie |
| 00:14.35 | Guillotine | mmm. thingie thingie |
| 00:14.52 | Guillotine | as I said, check out mobinfo2, that'll help :) |
| 00:14.53 | Bouvi | ~kill Bouvi |
| 00:15.11 | purl | ACTION shoots a magneto-ionized pseudoneutron gun at Bouvi |
| 00:15.12 | foxlit | why? :) |
| 00:16.46 | Guillotine | ~roulette |
| 00:16.55 | purl | ACTION watches guillotine pull the trigger: Click! |
| 00:16.55 | Tierrie|Work | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Anderson_%28computer_scientist%29 |
| 00:16.55 | foxlit | magnetically ionized fake neutrons? |
| 00:16.55 | foxlit | I'd say pinch data from allakhazam's XML feeds. It's what they're there for, after all. |
| 00:16.56 | Hobinheim | the only reason i don't look at alla is because it's ugly, seriously |
| 00:16.56 | Hobinheim | i hear it's accurate. but i don't really know |
| 00:17.02 | Guillotine | wow, that took a while |
| 00:17.06 | bleetah | foxlit: thanks for reminding me, we'll add the alla feeds to planet-warcraft.com ... soon-ish ;) |
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| 00:17.11 | Hobinheim | ~purl, stop sucking |
| 00:17.13 | purl | ACTION leaps to his feet and stops sucking |
| 00:17.23 | bleetah | as well as the wow-i feeds, looking at a way to automate a bunch of stuff like adding feeds, etc. |
| 00:17.24 | Hobinheim | ... |
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| 00:18.31 | bleetah | if a large store were advertising 'electrical computers at crazy cheap prices' in TV ads, would it be OK for me to go in and get upset when they can't sell me a cheap analogue computer? |
| 00:18.56 | Malivil-Around | lol |
| 00:18.58 | Guillotine | bleetah: of course its ok! |
| 00:18.58 | Bouvi | What is the easiest way to find out the value of GetAutoLootDefault |
| 00:19.02 | Guillotine | but make sure to record it |
| 00:19.05 | bleetah | 'coz I'm about to stab the telly if I see this ad again |
| 00:19.30 | KarlThePagan | Iriel|Away, ping |
| 00:19.38 | Guillotine | Bouvi: autolootdefaultvalue = GetAutoLootDefault() ? |
| 00:19.57 | Bouvi | I was missing the () oh I bet..... Thanks |
| 00:22.00 | Bouvi | OMG Guillotine I could almost kiss you.... But I will not. |
| 00:22.04 | Hobinheim | So, what kinda mods are you workin' on? ^_^ |
| 00:22.08 | Guillotine | Bouvi: thank you |
| 00:22.25 | Bouvi | I knew it was something stupid like that thank you thank you thank you thank you |
| 00:22.40 | Guillotine | heh, np. you should see the amount of stupid mistakes like that I make :P |
| 00:22.54 | Guillotine | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:23.05 | Imrcly | ~oink |
| 00:23.07 | purl | [oink] the sound Ned Beatty makes when being sodomized by hillbillies |
| 00:24.06 | Bouvi | I wrote my first addon this morning this one is my 2nd lol. |
| 00:24.13 | Hobinheim | what does it do |
| 00:24.32 | Hobinheim | i'm great at making add-ons that never make it to curse |
| 00:24.35 | Neuro_Medivh | Anyone here familiar with the TexCoords tag in Wow's XML? |
| 00:24.54 | Bouvi | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6638-PartyNoAutoLoot.html |
| 00:26.10 | Guillotine | My specialty is useless addons |
| 00:26.13 | Guillotine | the names are good though |
| 00:26.32 | foxlit | What's after automootic? |
| 00:26.42 | Guillotine | dunno. need a new idea |
| 00:26.52 | bleetah | Guillotine: how's that jumping addon going? i'm real eager for the version you were talking about that'd communicate the jump count |
| 00:26.55 | foxlit | I invite you to make a class-based filter for pvpshuffle :P |
| 00:27.08 | Guillotine | foxlit: but thats actually useful! |
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| 00:27.15 | Guillotine | bleetah: thats what I was going to do! |
| 00:27.17 | bleetah | I was thinking, once an hour, it announces your faction's most jumped player |
| 00:27.25 | bleetah | or.. most jumping |
| 00:27.26 | Hobinheim | is there a mod that helps with development/debugging/dumping |
| 00:27.27 | foxlit | I have an audience of 81 people according to the download counter :P |
| 00:27.29 | bleetah | and the least |
| 00:27.31 | Guillotine | ~devtools |
| 00:27.34 | purl | somebody said devtools was Iriel's DevTools, a highly useful set of debugging tools for developers on WoW. Found at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=3999 Why isn't it in the default client yet?, or found at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?s=&id=5415 for the beta |
| 00:27.45 | bleetah | and.. maybe, the average jumps done by all |
| 00:27.58 | Hobinheim | tenx |
| 00:28.05 | Guillotine | bleetah: hard to do it for whole faction. well, not hard, but we'd need a hidden channel |
| 00:28.06 | Guillotine | which I don't like |
| 00:28.12 | Guillotine | I was thinking it would just communicate with guild |
| 00:28.19 | bleetah | use the addon channel? |
| 00:28.28 | Guillotine | theres no global addon channel |
| 00:28.47 | bleetah | oohhh, something I wasn't aware of |
| 00:28.49 | bleetah | well, damn |
| 00:28.55 | foxlit | Did you know #121: You do not actually have to hide chat channels. |
| 00:29.00 | Guillotine | only guild, raid, party, and BG |
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| 00:29.22 | foxlit | JoinChannelByName() does not enable display in any of the chat windows, so, technically, the channel is already hidden. |
| 00:29.29 | bleetah | if you wanted to get extreme, you'd also take into account class/gear/race concepts of potential weight ratios, then how far azeroth should've sunk |
| 00:29.32 | Guillotine | ya, but its still there. I just don't want it to be there at all. personally, I use all 10 channels |
| 00:30.24 | foxlit | steal RAB's hourly sync code |
| 00:30.37 | foxlit | join a channel for a few minutes every hour, then leave |
| 00:30.46 | Guillotine | too bad you only get x,y values for coordinates and no z value. would be fun to make an addon that calculates your character's PE based on gear and race |
| 00:31.08 | foxlit | pe? |
| 00:31.15 | Guillotine | potential energy |
| 00:31.17 | Hobinheim | do i have to save my variables or are they already saved on the way out |
| 00:31.30 | foxlit | ## SavedVariables: |
| 00:31.32 | Guillotine | Hobinheim: add to the toc file: ## SavedVariables: Variablename |
| 00:31.34 | foxlit | and they're saved automatically |
| 00:31.57 | Hobinheim | hmm already have that probably doing something wrong... |
| 00:32.28 | Bouvi | WOOOOHOOOO it is working :) |
| 00:32.32 | Bouvi | Now to fine tune it. |
| 00:32.37 | foxlit | Guillotine: there's no gravity in wow, though |
| 00:32.50 | Guillotine | sure there is. you fall down. its just not exponential |
| 00:33.01 | foxlit | Gravity is, er, constant. |
| 00:33.22 | foxlit | I'll rephrase. |
| 00:33.22 | Guillotine | so we'd need a new PE formula |
| 00:33.32 | Guillotine | would be fun to make an addon to calculate all the physics of WoW |
| 00:33.41 | Guillotine | but we'd need a Z coordinate |
| 00:33.43 | foxlit | Acceleration due to gravity tends to be constant if the distances between objects are not changed significantly. |
| 00:33.55 | foxlit | WoW seems to deal damage based on the time you've been falling. |
| 00:34.02 | Guillotine | I meant the speed of gravity in WoW is constant |
| 00:34.09 | Guillotine | where as irl its 10m/s/s |
| 00:34.26 | Mery | Hobinheim: tocs only get reloaded when you close wow completly + the variables get loaded after you addon (but before ADDON_LOADED is fired) |
| 00:34.31 | bleetah | some of WoW's physics leave.. a lot to be desired ;) |
| 00:34.36 | foxlit | "speed of gravity" made physics roll over in its grave :) |
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| 00:37.58 | foxlit | I guess you could account for it all via air resistance. |
| 00:38.23 | foxlit | Or at least the falling at constant speed part. |
| 00:38.32 | foxlit | Why you'd take more damage for falling longer is beyond that. |
| 00:38.47 | Hobinheim | i am having the darndest time writing to a variable... |
| 00:40.27 | Corrodias | i think what you're TRYING to say is that things in WoW fall up to a certain speed but do not continue to accellerate beyond that, but you continue to take more damage by falling farther despite not going any faster. |
| 00:41.26 | foxlit | Yes, I believe that's what I've said. |
| 00:41.49 | foxlit | The last part makes no sense with regards to physics, though |
| 00:42.21 | Mery | http://www.news24.com/News24/World/News/0,9294,2-10-1462_2047950,00.html <- well actually there should be a chance to take no damage :-P |
| 00:42.26 | foxlit | http://www.ask.com/web?q=%22secret+of+success+in+mathematics%22 |
| 00:42.40 | Tain | As opposed to the rest of the impeccably realistic physics in the game. |
| 00:42.49 | Corrodias | that's easy, Mery. he survived four 000m falls. |
| 00:42.57 | Corrodias | i can fall 0m twenty times and survive! |
| 00:43.09 | Mery | :D |
| 00:43.16 | Mery | anyway g'night |
| 00:43.31 | Hobinheim | would anyone mind looking at a pastey |
| 00:43.35 | bleetah | fun guild game to play when bored: who can take falling damage of 1 |
| 00:43.38 | Hobinheim | does anyone wanna see my pasties? |
| 00:43.46 | foxlit | don't ask, link. |
| 00:44.13 | Hobinheim | http://wowi.pastey.net/4114 |
| 00:44.18 | Hobinheim | the data isn't persisting when i try a dump |
| 00:44.20 | foxlit | (we'll just ignore them if we don't :P) |
| 00:44.25 | Hobinheim | maybe i just can't spell? |
| 00:45.44 | foxlit | You have ## SavedVariables: SpongeDatabase in your .toc? |
| 00:45.44 | Hobinheim | yeah, but that shouldn't matter if i'm testing when i'm logging in right |
| 00:45.47 | Hobinheim | but yes, i do have that already |
| 00:45.59 | bleetah | if the toc changes, does one have to logout, or reloadui just fine? |
| 00:46.15 | Hobinheim | full log for toc changes |
| 00:46.31 | Guillotine | Hobinheim: I had the same problem 2 days ago. run the blizz repair tool and make sure it doesn't say "WoW is extremely corrupted and will have to be reverted to an earlier version" |
| 00:46.32 | bleetah | just tein' ya ;-) |
| 00:46.33 | Guillotine | that was my problem |
| 00:46.43 | Hobinheim | buhh... |
| 00:46.43 | bleetah | *testin' |
| 00:46.50 | Hobinheim | like it just wouldn't save variables? |
| 00:46.58 | Hobinheim | cuz all my other addons work |
| 00:47.12 | foxlit | What exactly is it that fails, though? |
| 00:47.16 | Hobinheim | well. addons written by other people |
| 00:47.30 | Hobinheim | that when i say /dump SpongeDatabase, i just get back {} |
| 00:47.38 | foxlit | It persists when run in luapad :/ |
| 00:47.41 | Hobinheim | cuz i can see the functions running with the prints i left in |
| 00:48.01 | Hobinheim | and when i do a full log nothing is in the saved variables besides {} |
| 00:48.10 | Guillotine | Hobinheim: I had exact same problem and it ended up being that WoW was corrupted :/ |
| 00:48.20 | Hobinheim | jerks... |
| 00:48.20 | Hobinheim | k |
| 00:48.32 | Hobinheim | i''ll try repairing now |
| 00:49.04 | Hobinheim | ugh takes forever |
| 00:49.05 | Hobinheim | brb/later |
| 00:49.17 | Guillotine | if it doesn't say "Unable to repair" by 3/5, its fine |
| 00:49.32 | Hobinheim | i'm on 3/8? |
| 00:49.45 | Hobinheim | inside common.mpq? |
| 00:50.17 | Guillotine | ya, at the end of 3/8 |
| 00:50.56 | Guillotine | you're probably fine, but I had the same problem when making Automootic. when other people tried the exact same files, it worked for them, but wasn't persisting for me |
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| 00:51.51 | Industrial | http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=3392 |
| 00:51.54 | Hobinheim | thanks for your help so far |
| 00:51.55 | Industrial | I cant find this guy :( |
| 00:52.00 | Hobinheim | i don't know what's worse, wow ui dev or web dev |
| 00:52.04 | Hobinheim | so frustrating |
| 00:52.46 | Guillotine | Hobinheim: are you using SciTe? its 'compile' helps a LOT for debugging |
| 00:52.51 | Guillotine | don't have to restart WoW every time |
| 00:53.00 | Guillotine | also, syntax highlighting is great |
| 00:53.17 | Industrial | omg found him he JUST spawned |
| 00:53.38 | Hobinheim | i don't know what scite is |
| 00:54.02 | nymbia | text editor |
| 00:54.04 | Hobinheim | or luapad |
| 00:54.13 | Bouvi | Can one of you nice people tell me how I am making a checkmark next to the menu item in fubar and how I can tell said checkbox to check if a condition is met? http://wowi.pastey.net/4115 |
| 00:54.47 | Bouvi | I know I am getting a toggle checkmark but I have no idea how I did it. |
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| 00:55.45 | nymbia | Bouvi: when Auto_LootFu.db.profile.AutoLoot_On is true, you'll have a check. when it's not, you won't. |
| 00:56.05 | nymbia | that's what the 'get=' line means |
| 00:56.21 | Bouvi | Is the value true or false or 1 or 0? |
| 00:56.28 | Corrodias | the value is "your mother" |
| 00:56.49 | Bouvi | My mother will kick your tail |
| 00:57.00 | Corrodias | my tail will pleasure your mother |
| 00:57.13 | Bouvi | Oh you so do not want to go there. |
| 00:57.54 | Neuro_Medivh | "Welcome to Vince Vaughn Bangs your Mom" |
| 00:57.58 | Corrodias | my tail will go in there, all right |
| 00:58.09 | Cairenn | >< |
| 00:58.25 | Guillotine | New version of BA up that counts jumps. http://wow.curse-gaming.com/en/files/details/5571/bouncersanonymous/ |
| 00:58.44 | Neuro_Medivh | wow... someone made an addon for that? |
| 00:58.55 | Guillotine | me :D |
| 00:59.06 | Corrodias | alliance human mage |
| 00:59.09 | Guillotine | and it plays an awesome 'bounce' sound every time you jump |
| 00:59.17 | Corrodias | probably jumps more than anyone in WoW >_< |
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| 01:00.06 | Hobinheim | ooo oo i have a question |
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| 01:00.27 | Hobinheim | so you have a zero initializer for your bouncer mod |
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| 01:00.38 | Hobinheim | what's preventing wow from just resetting your jumps to zero every time you log in |
| 01:00.50 | Hobinheim | and wow's corrupted and i just canceled the check by typing =( |
| 01:01.32 | Corrodias | he probably has a savedvariable? |
| 01:01.39 | Guillotine | Hobinheim: the SavedVariable loads after the lua file |
| 01:01.43 | Corrodias | i'm not sure whta a "zero initializer" is |
| 01:01.46 | Hobinheim | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 01:01.53 | Hobinheim | wow... that's just... |
| 01:01.57 | Guillotine | so it will make it 0, but if it had a previous value, that will override it |
| 01:01.58 | Hobinheim | it all makes sense now... |
| 01:02.16 | Hobinheim | wow. |
| 01:02.46 | Corrodias | that's why you don't want to do much processing that depends on variables in the on load because they'll probably be overwritten after the on load happens anyway |
| 01:02.53 | Hobinheim | that's why! |
| 01:02.56 | Hobinheim | that's why it's not working! |
| 01:02.57 | Corrodias | i just pulled that out of my ass, by the way |
| 01:02.59 | Hobinheim | geniussssssssssssssss..... |
| 01:03.11 | Corrodias | you fool, look what you've done! |
| 01:03.22 | Hobinheim | amzering.... |
| 01:03.27 | Guillotine | its ok, my new years resolution to help noone doesn't start for another 3 days |
| 01:03.28 | Hobinheim | tenx! |
| 01:03.32 | Hobinheim | brb/afk |
| 01:03.34 | Corrodias | if i'm not mistaken, the variables_loaded event fires after your savedvariables are loaded. |
| 01:03.41 | Guillotine | you're not |
| 01:03.53 | Corrodias | at that point, you can do variable-related processing without fear that they're obsolete |
| 01:04.35 | Dissonance | Is there a way to discern between gained xp from a quest, and gained xp from a mob kill? |
| 01:04.49 | Guillotine | Dissonance: give two seperate events |
| 01:04.58 | Guillotine | I believe |
| 01:05.02 | Dissonance | Which events do which? I can't find one specifically for mob kills. |
| 01:05.37 | Dissonance | Just "PLAYER_XP_UPDATE" which does everything. |
| 01:05.38 | Bouvi | OK this thing is working great. Is there a way to gray out a menu item is another one is checked in fubar? If the option is off it mutes the point of the other option. |
| 01:05.38 | Dissonance | And the one for the quests is "ERR_QUEST_REWARD_EXP_I", as far as I can tell, but I haven't tested that yet. |
| 01:05.52 | Bouvi | Sorry for all the newb questions I am a newb lol |
| 01:06.17 | Guillotine | Bouvi: its ok :) we were all newb at some point |
| 01:06.19 | Guillotine | except Iriel |
| 01:06.22 | Guillotine | I think he was born pro |
| 01:06.29 | Bouvi | lol |
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| 01:06.53 | Corrodias | TIME TO DRINK ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES WITH ALCOHOL IN THEM |
| 01:07.04 | Dissonance | As opposed to alcoholic beverages with no alcohol? |
| 01:07.19 | Corrodias | DO NOT DISRESPECT ME |
| 01:07.21 | Corrodias | I CUT YOU |
| 01:07.33 | Guillotine | Dissonance: see http://www.wowwiki.com/Patterns_fired_from_each_CHAT_MSG_events#CHAT_MSG_COMBAT_XP_GAIN |
| 01:07.45 | Guillotine | you want to use the CHAT_MSG_COMBAT_XP_GAIN event |
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| 01:07.55 | Guillotine | and it returns a different pattern depending on how you got the xp |
| 01:08.37 | Dissonance | I suppose I'm supposed to parse what it returns? |
| 01:08.50 | Guillotine | yup. the first 4 are from kills, last is from quests |
| 01:08.52 | Guillotine | use the patterns |
| 01:09.23 | Dissonance | I don't follow. I have to use string manipulation to extract what I want? |
| 01:09.46 | Dissonance | Well, at least to determine where the XP originated, I mean. |
| 01:10.01 | Guillotine | local _,_, killedcreature, xpgained = string.find(arg1, "(.*) dies, you gain (.*) experience.") |
| 01:10.22 | Guillotine | actually would probably be better if you used %d* in the second part |
| 01:11.17 | Corrodias | "Midori is a vibrant green, honeydew melon flavored liqueur launched in the US in 1978. It's high versatility and refreshing melon taste has made it an essential bar ingredient, used in world famous cocktails such as the Midori Margarita and Melonball." |
| 01:11.23 | Dissonance | Hrm, this is going to take a bit of work. I'll have to localize it from here on out. |
| 01:11.48 | Dissonance | String-manipulating was something I was trying to stay away from to maximize compatibility. |
| 01:13.27 | Hobinheim | you mean localizing? |
| 01:13.30 | nymbia | Dissonance: all those combat log strings are available localized |
| 01:13.32 | Hobinheim | oh or for other addons? |
| 01:13.45 | nymbia | Dissonance: they're global strings |
| 01:13.59 | Guillotine | Dissonance: you might be able to match it against the localized strings COMBATLOG_XPGAIN_EXHAUSTION1, COMBATLOG_XPGAIN_EXHAUSTION2, COMBATLOG_XPGAIN_EXHAUSTION2_GROUP, ect. |
| 01:14.12 | Guillotine | nymbia beat me to it :( |
| 01:14.38 | Dissonance | But if I do a string.find(arg1, "(.*) dies, you gain (.*) experience.") it won't be able to figure out where the exp is in, say... the spanish client. It'll be in spanish, and thus the string won't match at all. |
| 01:14.44 | Hobinheim | is anyone actually a fan of lua? i think it's quaint, i like it |
| 01:14.56 | Tuller | quaint? :P |
| 01:14.58 | Guillotine | I like lua personally |
| 01:15.03 | Hobinheim | it's a small language |
| 01:15.07 | Hobinheim | it reminds me of javascript |
| 01:15.51 | Guillotine | Dissonance: then try string.find(arg1,COMBATLOG_XPGAIN_EXHAUSTION1) |
| 01:16.09 | Guillotine | for each global string at http://www.wowwiki.com/Patterns_fired_from_each_CHAT_MSG_events#CHAT_MSG_COMBAT_XP_GAIN |
| 01:17.29 | Dissonance | So what exactly is "COMBATLOG_XPGAIN_EXHAUSTION1" ? An event or a variable? |
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| 01:18.42 | Tierrie|Work | there are many times when i feel that lua was written by a retard for retards] |
| 01:18.46 | foxlit | variable. |
| 01:18.48 | foxlit | GlobalStrings.lua |
| 01:19.09 | Hobinheim | aww |
| 01:19.13 | Hobinheim | why do you feel that way |
| 01:19.16 | Hobinheim | sure it's no perl |
| 01:19.32 | foxlit | And if memory serves, you can't feed it into string.find |
| 01:19.43 | foxlit | Not directly, at least -- it's made for string.format |
| 01:19.57 | Tierrie|Work | indices start at 1, loops are ill conceived |
| 01:20.03 | Dissonance | So in the event "CHAT_MSG_COMBAT_XP_GAIN" I can just see what value is stored in each of these? Like I'd just test to see which one wasn't nil? |
| 01:20.25 | Guillotine | yup. foxlit could be right that you need to use string.format though |
| 01:20.42 | Guillotine | probalby is |
| 01:20.51 | Guillotine | I don't remember which one, I just chose string.find :P |
| 01:20.54 | cladhaire | Tierrie|Work: That statement is rather offensive, in a number of ways. Your issues with lua are likely your own, and nothing more. |
| 01:20.55 | Dissonance | Well are they going to hold the string as a value or the xp gained as a value? (I assume strings) |
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| 01:21.00 | foxlit | nono |
| 01:21.00 | Industrial | You are now Friendly with Silvermoon City |
| 01:21.05 | foxlit | COMBATLOG_XPGAIN_EXHAUSTION1 = "%s dies, you gain %d experience. (%s exp %s bonus)"; |
| 01:21.09 | Industrial | er im horde wheres silvermoon? :S |
| 01:21.17 | Hobinheim | do function calls always need to be written as function() and not just function? |
| 01:21.20 | foxlit | You need to change those %s instances into captures for it to work in string.find |
| 01:21.23 | Industrial | sounds alliancegayish :P |
| 01:21.29 | nymbia | Industrial: blood elf capital ;p |
| 01:21.33 | Industrial | ack! |
| 01:21.38 | Hobinheim | wow this bouncing thing is crazy annoying |
| 01:21.50 | Hobinheim | that's one hell of a sample |
| 01:22.08 | Hobinheim | ugh... |
| 01:22.21 | Hobinheim | makes me want to bounce more. it's strangely addictive like tommaco |
| 01:22.39 | End | it causes the problem it tries to solve :P |
| 01:22.40 | Guillotine | I know :D |
| 01:22.51 | Hobinheim | ...... |
| 01:22.56 | Dissonance | Right now I'm using "PLAYER_XP_UPDATE" as an event for XP gains. I can simply change that event to CHAT_MSG_COMBAT_XP_GAIN without losing functionality? |
| 01:22.56 | Hobinheim | ok i gotta disable it |
| 01:23.05 | Hobinheim | funny thing, the wave fires on spacebar, you can rejump in mid air |
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| 01:23.26 | Guillotine | ya, the function calls whether or not you can really jump |
| 01:23.33 | Guillotine | and all I'm doing is hooking the function |
| 01:23.43 | Guillotine | since theres no event for jumping |
| 01:23.55 | Hobinheim | lol you can't jump strafing diagonally |
| 01:24.10 | Dissonance | Yes you can. |
| 01:24.10 | Tierrie|Work | cladhaire: ok I'm sorry and i take back what I said |
| 01:24.13 | cladhaire | Hobinheim: That's bothered me a bunch lately |
| 01:24.22 | Hobinheim | amazing, you can strafe jump backwards but not forwards |
| 01:24.31 | Hobinheim | well, at least not on my client |
| 01:24.40 | cladhaire | Tierrie|Work: Id just like to better understand it. Lua is a phenomenal language, if you don't come to it thinkgin that its something that its not. |
| 01:24.49 | cladhaire | THe designers are brilliant people, to say the least |
| 01:25.07 | Hobinheim | yeah i had low expectations for lua and as i've come to understand it, it's strength IS simplicity and a low footprint |
| 01:25.11 | Hobinheim | i like simple and elegant |
| 01:25.16 | foxlit | Dissonance: what exactly are you writing? |
| 01:25.24 | Hobinheim | LOL i can't get enough of this bouncing i have to turn it off |
| 01:25.39 | Dissonance | http://uifiles.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=3719 |
| 01:25.40 | Hobinheim | it's a keeper though. for those days where i ... gotta bounce |
| 01:26.08 | Dissonance | That's my addon. I'm working out the bugs, and trying to add in one minor feature. |
| 01:26.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Anyone know of an addon that functions similar to ElkBuffBar, only instead it counts down for your cooldowns? |
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| 01:26.22 | Guillotine | Hobinheim: if you're one of those that bounces alot, just type /ba off |
| 01:26.29 | Guillotine | and you'll lose the sound but it will still keep count |
| 01:26.43 | foxlit | Handle PLAYER_XP_UPDATE. |
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| 01:26.56 | foxlit | It's easier, you don't need to parse strings, and everyone is happy. |
| 01:27.07 | Hobinheim | oo here's another peave i had that was useful... can an addon switch weapons in combat automatically w/o a hardware trigger |
| 01:27.08 | Guillotine | ScytheBlade1: http://wow.curse-gaming.com/en/files/details/1134/cooldown/ can be configured to look alot like Elk's bars |
| 01:27.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Ohh, me likey already |
| 01:27.38 | Dissonance | That's what I'm doing now. But the hard-coded string says "# kills to go" even when xp is gained via a quest. |
| 01:28.01 | Dissonance | It's a minor annoyance. Nothing major. |
| 01:28.04 | Guillotine | SB1: also, author hangs around in here, though I forgot who it was |
| 01:28.31 | Dissonance | Kirkburn, didn't you do Clearfont? |
| 01:28.36 | ScytheBlade1 | "Shag" eh |
| 01:28.37 | Corrodias | YES HE DID |
| 01:28.44 | Hobinheim | the legendary |
| 01:28.45 | Corrodias | KIRKBURN CANNOT READ SMALL LETTERS |
| 01:28.50 | Hobinheim | the baddest |
| 01:28.55 | Kirkburn | *sniffle* |
| 01:28.57 | Hobinheim | the prettiest |
| 01:29.12 | foxlit | Dissonance: I happen to have written a similar addon. |
| 01:29.16 | Kirkburn | Yes, I am ClearFont guy =) |
| 01:29.23 | Dissonance | Just checking. I love it. ;) |
| 01:29.25 | foxlit | You can get rid of some of those by checking that the restedXP changed. |
| 01:29.31 | Kirkburn | Thanks :D |
| 01:29.41 | foxlit | (if you have rest, and you turn in a quest, your rested margin stays the same -- but it doesn't for kills) |
| 01:29.42 | Hobinheim | i admin with the guy and i don't even know what clearfont does =P |
| 01:29.43 | Corrodias | i gave clearfont a try. it was pretty nice, except that 1) it was going to take me some "getting used to", which i didn't have time for when i tried it, and 2) it enlarged the letters used by ItemRack so i could only see a couple of them. no big deal. |
| 01:29.47 | Corrodias | i'll use clearfont in the future some day |
| 01:29.52 | foxlit | If you're not rested, it still comes up :( |
| 01:30.40 | Kirkburn | Corrodias, you can scale it. I just tested out ckknight's changes (haven't been on for a while). I should be able to do some more work on it sometime, but my WoW access time is limited atm |
| 01:30.50 | Dissonance | Hrm, so I take it you just gave up on the idea of detecting mob/quest xp gains? |
| 01:31.24 | Dissonance | If only I could re-word the string to be applicable to both quest gains and mob gains, then I wouldn't need to change the coding at all. |
| 01:31.26 | foxlit | Didn't bother me much |
| 01:31.31 | Corrodias | i just need to spend some time with the clearfont installed (yes, "THE clearfont") to get used to it |
| 01:31.46 | Tierrie|Work | cladhaire: i understand the purpose of the lua language -- but there are certain things that make it harder for other programmers to transition into it -- and for lua programmers to transition out of it. so while lua is great by itself, most language have some c'ism to it, zero based indices, functions with braces, and well defined for(;;) loops are a few things i consider essential in any language. the fact is that the lua devs saw it necess |
| 01:31.51 | Dissonance | Same for me, but since I uploaded it to ui.worldofwar.net it's been tearing me apart. |
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| 01:32.11 | cladhaire | Tierrie|Work: And all of those languages are the same as a result. |
| 01:32.14 | Corrodias | Tierrie|Work: you cut off at "lua devs saw it..." |
| 01:32.17 | cladhaire | you need to be able to break that paradigm. |
| 01:32.27 | Corrodias | i like Lua, although one-based indexing bugs me |
| 01:32.44 | Dissonance | The string displays right now as "[+64XP] [1000/2000] [50%] [16 kills to go!]" Is there any rewording you could think of that would work for both scenarios? |
| 01:32.46 | Hobinheim | lol purist |
| 01:32.49 | cladhaire | not to mention, those differences make it EASIER for many developers to move between lua and another language.. becuase it is sufficiently different. |
| 01:32.50 | End | zero-indexing is for languages that look at things in terms of offsets |
| 01:33.13 | End | zero indexing is perfect for C, but lua can do without it |
| 01:33.15 | Corrodias | that's why it started, End, but i'm very used to it and they decided to make it different "just because they can" |
| 01:33.29 | foxlit | hasharray > indexed array. |
| 01:33.31 | Tierrie|Work | "the lua devs saw it necessary to deviate from C syntax -- why?" |
| 01:33.39 | Hobinheim | simpler? |
| 01:33.41 | Hobinheim | time for change? |
| 01:33.46 | Corrodias | it's less intuitive to people used to other languages, although perhaps more intuitive to people not used to -any- languages. |
| 01:33.54 | cladhaire | You should read some of Thomas Green's work |
| 01:34.01 | cladhaire | or anything on usability of a programming languages |
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| 01:34.18 | cladhaire | the differences that exist make lua a great language for learning new difficult concepts |
| 01:34.30 | cladhaire | as opposed to C, where the syntax bites you in the ass more than anything. |
| 01:34.38 | Corrodias | but yes... i can see the value of one-based indices. i like the idea if i think about it. i just don't want to change. |
| 01:34.48 | Dissonance | I've dabbled in PHP, VB6, VB.NET, JavaScript and when I wanted to learn a bit of LUA, I was confused for a long while. |
| 01:34.51 | End | anyways, the metatable/fenv/table stuff is what makes lua really interesting :P |
| 01:34.56 | Tierrie|Work | concepts that may not be portable |
| 01:35.03 | Hobinheim | never heard of thomas green |
| 01:35.03 | cladhaire | I can't speak for them.. but saying it's like retards writing a language for retards is just plain ignorant |
| 01:35.32 | cladhaire | Tierrie|Work: It doesn't matter if they're portable.. you can extend any language with lua, or you can port the overall concept. |
| 01:35.50 | cladhaire | its completely ignorant to not like or have issues with a language because it isn't C. |
| 01:35.51 | Hobinheim | yay my addon works!!! |
| 01:35.52 | Hobinheim | thx all |
| 01:35.57 | cladhaire | try scheme, or haskell, or smalltalk |
| 01:36.12 | Corrodias | scheme is very much unlike C |
| 01:36.22 | Tierrie|Work | my favorite programming script is perl btw, i just tolerate C :P |
| 01:36.31 | cladhaire | and lua implements almost every feature of scheme, save true macros. |
| 01:36.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Guillotine, coolDowns requires IFrameFactory which... still has a TOC of 11200 |
| 01:36.42 | Hobinheim | which thomas green did you mean? |
| 01:36.52 | Corrodias | tom green? isn't he on TV? |
| 01:37.04 | Dissonance | Oh dear. Does he still get work? |
| 01:37.11 | cladhaire | Hobinheim: http://citeseer.ist.psu.edu/green00instructions.html |
| 01:37.23 | Corrodias | i don't have enough familiarity with languages other than Java and C++ to say how much i like languages like Lua, Perl, Python, or what have you |
| 01:37.26 | cladhaire | I believe that's him =) |
| 01:37.42 | Guillotine | ScytheBlade1: IFramesFactory is included in the libs folder of coolDown |
| 01:37.47 | Guillotine | it'll work :) |
| 01:38.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Guillotine, ah, it would seem that the curse version is just horribly out of date |
| 01:38.40 | Guillotine | ScytheBlade1: could be that he hasn't updated IFramesFactory alone yet |
| 01:38.44 | Guillotine | if all his addons include it anyway |
| 01:38.53 | Corrodias | but i must say that Lua tickles my fancy |
| 01:39.04 | Hobinheim | i love languages. and comparing languages |
| 01:39.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Guillotine, IFramesFactory is listed as a dep of coolDown on curse. Not on WoWI, though |
| 01:39.15 | cladhaire | indeed. |
| 01:39.17 | Industrial | ding 24 |
| 01:39.28 | cladhaire | and i most importantly love appreciating languages where they are a great asset |
| 01:39.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Guillotine, wait, I lie, it's still listed as a dep. |
| 01:39.35 | ScytheBlade1 | .... |
| 01:39.49 | Hobinheim | i love learning how a language is different empowers it to do certain things |
| 01:39.51 | foxlit | ~automootic |
| 01:40.00 | purl | /moo at all tauren you mouseover! (Only works well for alliance). Available at http://wow.curse-gaming.com/en/files/details/5591/automootic/ |
| 01:40.00 | Hobinheim | i'm a perl guy myself |
| 01:40.20 | Guillotine | I'm a purl guy myself |
| 01:41.15 | Corrodias | i'm a sexy guy |
| 01:41.29 | foxlit | Guillotine: you should probably set compatibility/localization flags |
| 01:41.35 | foxlit | Can't seem to find it otherwise |
| 01:42.08 | Industrial | i'm a girl! er wait no.. im just a guy |
| 01:42.09 | End | We're a plural guy |
| 01:42.26 | Guillotine | foxlit: fixed |
| 01:42.27 | Corrodias | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Befunge http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitespace_%28programming_language%29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainfuck |
| 01:42.34 | Industrial | :P |
| 01:42.41 | Corrodias | you want some unintuitive languages, check those three |
| 01:42.44 | foxlit | moo! |
| 01:42.48 | Guillotine | just search for comedy. Thats what all my funny addons are labeled under |
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| 01:43.15 | foxlit | Languages based on brainfuck: COW reformats brainfuck's commands as various capitalisations of the word "Moo". |
| 01:43.45 | Corrodias | lmao |
| 01:44.18 | Kirkburn | OMFG: http://www.wowinsider.com/2006/12/28/addon-spotlight-clearfont/ |
| 01:44.43 | End | Guillotine: /Leeroy Last updated 37 years ago |
| 01:44.48 | Industrial | Kirkburn: woot |
| 01:44.50 | Industrial | :D |
| 01:44.55 | Guillotine | End: and it will never be updated again |
| 01:44.59 | End | lol |
| 01:45.16 | Guillotine | well, at least not by me. Thats the type of addon that attracts people asking how to download |
| 01:45.25 | Guillotine | not install, but download |
| 01:45.35 | Guillotine | "put your mouse over download. ok, now click" |
| 01:45.57 | Guillotine | also, the leeroy era is over |
| 01:46.00 | Guillotine | its all Automootic now |
| 01:46.54 | Hobinheim | is there an event that fires when i hover over a doodad? |
| 01:46.58 | Hobinheim | or target an npc? |
| 01:47.17 | foxlit | PLAYER_TARGET_CHANGED |
| 01:47.31 | nymbia | hover would be CURSOR_UPDATE |
| 01:47.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Guillotine, have you ever used coolDowns? |
| 01:47.44 | ScytheBlade1 | err, coolDown |
| 01:48.05 | Guillotine | ScytheBlade1: I tried it a month or so ago, but decided it wasn't needed for a druid or priest |
| 01:48.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Guillotine, how the @$^#$^@$#^ do you move it from the dead center of the screen and make it smaller? |
| 01:48.26 | Dissonance | Why does the upload page for addons on ui.worldodwar.net take so long to load? |
| 01:48.55 | Guillotine | use the blue minimap icon |
| 01:48.57 | Neuro_Medivh | cause it takes that long for the worldofwar page to try and upload trojans to your computer |
| 01:49.06 | Hobinheim | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:49.06 | Hobinheim | Fired when the player single-clicks terrain. This excludes doodads, NPCs and other PCs. |
| 01:49.09 | Hobinheim | =( |
| 01:49.19 | ScytheBlade1 | That's one ugly icon |
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| 01:49.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Like... impressively ugly |
| 01:49.36 | Tierrie|Work | on another note, have you guys ever had to carry a banana in a backpack and then when you got to class or lunch break you found that the banana has been crushed or bruised and its all mushy and yucky? |
| 01:49.45 | Tierrie|Work | well worry no more http://blog.scifi.com/tech/archives/2006/12/28/protect_you_sna.html |
| 01:49.55 | Tierrie|Work | its almost nsfw :P |
| 01:50.04 | Neuro_Medivh | I thought it was gonna say "protect your snatch" |
| 01:50.33 | Hobinheim | i think i saw this link already |
| 01:50.39 | Hobinheim | say, what's a good lua idiom for unique-ing a list |
| 01:50.47 | Hobinheim | any short and sweet ways of doing it? |
| 01:50.57 | Hobinheim | lol banana bunker my ass |
| 01:51.07 | Neuro_Medivh | ewww |
| 01:51.11 | Tierrie|Work | that sounds a bit gay hobinheim..... |
| 01:51.20 | Tierrie|Work | and a bit too much like an offer |
| 01:51.56 | ScytheBlade1 | ... lol |
| 01:51.56 | Neuro_Medivh | Are you a Cavendish man, Hobinheim? Or do you prefer a nice thick Plantain? |
| 01:52.05 | Tierrie|Work | hobinhem: in perl you could do a transform from array to hash to array |
| 01:52.33 | Hobinheim | yeah but there are no lists and hashes and what not in lua right? |
| 01:52.42 | Hobinheim | i was just thinking sweep the current list... |
| 01:52.45 | Hobinheim | for a match |
| 01:52.50 | Hobinheim | oh yeah i'm inserting values |
| 01:52.58 | Hobinheim | so given an insert, sweep, if fail match, insert |
| 01:54.04 | End | I usually do table[entry] = true |
| 01:54.16 | End | for sets |
| 01:54.30 | Zicon | tierrie|work: I have two banana cases, although no fancy BananaBunker. |
| 01:54.33 | Tierrie|Work | i think a brute force way to do it would be to for i=1,getn(table) do t[table[i]) = 1 end table={}; for k,v in pairs(t) tinsert(table, k) end |
| 01:55.00 | End | for existance, then I do if(table[entry]) then blah end |
| 01:55.26 | End | to iterate: for entry in pairs(tab) |
| 01:55.34 | Hobinheim | yeah i'm making my code extra retarded by handling multiple data structures... so it's easier to read in the event i don't need a full table |
| 01:55.49 | End | also, don't name your tables table :P |
| 01:56.04 | Tierrie|Work | its an example! |
| 01:56.09 | Tierrie|Work | no one names their tables table |
| 01:56.18 | Hobinheim | i... almost did |
| 01:56.22 | End | I know, I know, just a friendly warning |
| 01:56.23 | Hobinheim | jk! |
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| 01:56.31 | Hobinheim | LOLZ NUBZ |
| 01:56.38 | End | lollerskates |
| 01:56.41 | Tierrie|Work | do they have orange bunkers |
| 01:57.18 | Zicon | tierrie|work: http://www.flickr.com/photos/zicon/37325082/ :) |
| 01:58.33 | Hobinheim | bananas aren't all the same shape |
| 01:58.37 | Industrial | o_O |
| 01:58.44 | Hobinheim | you can't just bend a banana willy nilly, it'll hurt. the banana |
| 01:58.50 | Hobinheim | you gotta be gentle with your banana |
| 01:58.58 | Industrial | I bet you lose those all the time around the house Zicon |
| 01:59.11 | Industrial | xP |
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| 02:01.02 | Zicon | industrial: Actually, they're stuffed in the back of a kitchen drawer. :p |
| 02:01.16 | Zicon | One of them has contained a banana exactly once. |
| 02:01.41 | Bouvi | LOL already had a small fix to my mini-addon http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6638-PartyNoAutoLoot.html |
| 02:02.43 | fubi | lua is so weird, whats up with the ";" at the and of a line, you can put one, but you dont have to? |
| 02:03.06 | Tierrie|Work | its one of the quirks of a non strict language |
| 02:03.45 | fubi | yeah im used to java, thats the exact opposite i guess ;) |
| 02:04.53 | Hobinheim | the semi-colon is when you want to compound multiple statements on one line |
| 02:05.05 | Hobinheim | otherwise, the statements are independent of one another, by new lines |
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| 02:05.15 | Hobinheim | whitespace sensitive, if you will |
| 02:05.17 | Guillotine | either way you don't NEED to use semi-colon really |
| 02:05.34 | Guillotine | you can do it all on one line without it. unless it means something different with the semi-colon than without |
| 02:06.48 | Hobinheim | does lua have arrays? |
| 02:07.02 | Hobinheim | or is it just tables by numeric index? |
| 02:07.17 | End | just tables |
| 02:07.23 | Hobinheim | =/ |
| 02:07.30 | Kirkburn | Goodnight all! |
| 02:07.34 | Hobinheim | gnight sir |
| 02:08.05 | Kirkburn | Get back on #wowwiki, you :P |
| 02:08.16 | End | internally, tables have an array portion + a hash portion :P |
| 02:09.05 | Hobinheim | like... if i said indexes 1 2 3 4 5 22, 30, A, B, C |
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| 02:09.09 | Hobinheim | it would only be 5 units long? |
| 02:09.36 | End | the array portion, yes |
| 02:09.42 | Hobinheim | i'm looking for a way to detect doodads, any ideas? |
| 02:09.56 | End | then you'd have a hash with 22, 30, "A", "B", "C" |
| 02:10.10 | Hobinheim | a doodad becomes visible when gametooltip changes, right? so what event am i looking for |
| 02:10.29 | End | you mean like the little enviromental objects? |
| 02:10.33 | Hobinheim | yeah |
| 02:11.23 | End | I'm not sure an event is fired |
| 02:11.53 | AnduinLothar | Mr_Rabies2: ping |
| 02:13.21 | Tierrie|Work | they are all tables in lua you can mix numeric indices with keys |
| 02:13.48 | Tierrie|Work | whoops wtg me with the 5 minutes late to the conversation |
| 02:13.53 | Bouvi | Night all |
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| 02:45.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | <AnduinLothar> Mr_Rabies2: ping |
| 02:45.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | huh |
| 02:45.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | wha |
| 02:47.51 | End | who! where! why! when! |
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| 03:25.27 | Smeltn | grrr |
| 03:25.47 | Smeltn | is there another mod like cycircled that changes the borders on b3 |
| 03:27.12 | Industrial | You are now Honored with Thunder Bluff |
| 03:30.58 | Tierrie|Work | hm |
| 03:31.15 | Tierrie|Work | i use bongos with cycircled |
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| 03:44.20 | Cairenn | hi Iriel |
| 03:44.35 | Iriel | Evening Cairenn, how fares thursday? |
| 03:44.44 | Cairenn | not bad, you? |
| 03:45.20 | Iriel | Pretty good - I dont have to go into the office until next year, and I should have heating again tomorrow |
| 03:45.41 | Cairenn | you have no heating? |
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| 03:46.22 | Cairenn | well, here's hoping you have mild weather tonight |
| 03:46.50 | Iriel | No, our furnace failed the day I went back to work.. Space heaters take care of this room and the bedroom but it's been chilly elsewhere.. Not that it's bad by your standards, but by northern california softy standards it's no fun. |
| 03:47.03 | Cairenn | heh |
| 03:47.28 | Cairenn | hey, I am not so ignorant as to think that just because it's California, it means it never gets cold |
| 03:47.52 | Cairenn | and, as you say, everything is relative |
| 03:49.24 | Iriel | So in theory tomorrow the HVAC guys show up with a new furnace/AC unit, remove the old one, replace it with the new one, dont drop either through the garage roof, and give me back some heat |
| 03:50.25 | Cairenn | hehehe |
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| 04:05.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_kK3bVpDpc |
| 04:05.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | Gnomish...Crusade. |
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| 04:07.22 | Industrial | http://i12.tinypic.com/2zhquft.jpg |
| 04:07.25 | Industrial | where did my npc go |
| 04:07.26 | Industrial | :S |
| 04:07.49 | Industrial | ah event she just spawned |
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| 04:07.56 | haste | :D |
| 04:08.08 | Hobinheim | quick ninja question before bed, anyone out there |
| 04:08.27 | Hobinheim | uhh anyway |
| 04:08.49 | Hobinheim | can i hook into the default gametooltip:show to react whenever the tooltip pops up? |
| 04:09.51 | Iriel | You can, though to do it properly you need to be a bit more active |
| 04:10.06 | Iriel | since the game opens it for its own purposes when you mouse over signs and things in game |
| 04:10.14 | Iriel | without invoking its lua methods |
| 04:10.18 | Hobinheim | zomg you're from the forums right |
| 04:10.23 | Hobinheim | don't you know everything |
| 04:10.31 | VoidRaider|VR | lol |
| 04:10.58 | Hobinheim | how can i datamine doodads |
| 04:11.02 | Hobinheim | that's what i really want |
| 04:11.02 | Iriel | far from everything. |
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| 04:11.13 | Iriel | You pretty much have to check the tooltip's contents OnUpdate every frame |
| 04:11.14 | Hobinheim | i think that's the only tooltip data that i can't figure out how to mine normally |
| 04:11.32 | Iriel | And then work out by whatever means you can think of whether or not it's because of a doodad |
| 04:11.38 | Hobinheim | how much of a slow down is binding a query to onupdate? |
| 04:11.42 | VoidRaider|VR | Nah we all know he's Slouken lol |
| 04:12.01 | Iriel | Hobinheim: Measurable, but likely not noticable |
| 04:12.06 | Hobinheim | also, is onupdate how graphical mods update in real time? i never really understood how that worked |
| 04:12.59 | Iriel | Hobinheim: Yes, it gets fired right before the screen is repainted |
| 04:13.12 | Hobinheim | ok well that's all i wanted to know for onw |
| 04:13.16 | Hobinheim | thanks, slouken, you're the best |
| 04:13.29 | VoidRaider|VR | :P |
| 04:13.38 | Iriel | People have seen the 2 of us together, and know this to be true |
| 04:13.38 | Hobinheim | is iriel a girl's name or a guy's name? |
| 04:14.00 | Hobinheim | wait what? do you work for blizzard? no, right? |
| 04:14.00 | Iriel | Iriel (the character) is a girl. |
| 04:14.00 | VoidRaider|VR | Iriel come on mate, ... admit you are! :P |
| 04:14.18 | Iriel | I do indeed NOT work for blizzard. |
| 04:14.20 | Hobinheim | so you're a dude playing a female? |
| 04:14.34 | VoidRaider|VR | It's a fantasy world :) |
| 04:14.36 | Hobinheim | how are you in the proximity of a blizzard employee? are you bed fellows? |
| 04:14.41 | Hobinheim | do you mind merge nightly? |
| 04:14.56 | Hobinheim | iriel = slouken's astral projection |
| 04:14.59 | Hobinheim | i've solved ite |
| 04:15.01 | Hobinheim | everyone go to bed |
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| 04:15.34 | Hobinheim | my main point is that i wanted to join the ranks of the many data gathering mods... |
| 04:15.39 | Hobinheim | and i'm tired |
| 04:15.41 | Hobinheim | night all |
| 04:15.44 | Hobinheim | thx iriel |
| 04:15.45 | VoidRaider|VR | Anyway any better way to know a temporary weapon buff then parsing the tooltip ? :| |
| 04:15.59 | Hobinheim | TOOLTIPS KNOW EVERYTHING |
| 04:16.02 | Iriel | VoidRaider|VR: There's an API for temporary weapon enchants, thoughj I dont recall how useful it is |
| 04:16.11 | Iriel | A lot of stuff needs to get tooltip-acquired |
| 04:16.21 | VoidRaider|VR | yeah but it doesn't return the name :/ |
| 04:16.50 | Iriel | then a tooltip-in you shall go. |
| 04:16.59 | VoidRaider|VR | I guess :P |
| 04:17.21 | Iriel | If you're smart about it it's not that much overhead |
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| 04:17.51 | VoidRaider|VR | Yeah :D |
| 04:17.54 | slouken | look ma, a newfangled IRC client! |
| 04:17.54 | Cairenn | hey slouken :) |
| 04:18.02 | Cairenn | yay! more than one channel at a time! |
| 04:18.29 | Iriel | slouken: What's the client of the day? |
| 04:18.42 | slouken | Colloquy, for Mac OS X |
| 04:18.42 | Thunder_Child | well there goes your theory Hobinheim....the two are together |
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| 04:18.49 | Hobinheim | that doesn't count |
| 04:18.55 | Hobinheim | that could be an imposter |
| 04:18.56 | Iriel | Hm, OS X - is that a new toy? |
| 04:18.58 | VoidRaider|VR | lol |
| 04:18.59 | Hobinheim | or iriel's irc puppet |
| 04:19.01 | slouken | (just don't check the IP address routing) |
| 04:19.16 | Thunder_Child | you now need a new theory |
| 04:19.21 | Thunder_Child | get cracking |
| 04:19.23 | kremonte | does WoW play nice with OTF fonts? |
| 04:19.27 | Hobinheim | prove to me that you're slouken by granting me the priest staff of atiesh on my lock |
| 04:19.42 | slouken | Iriel, no, I've been running OS X for a while. SDL 1.3 was developed on my MacBook. |
| 04:19.48 | Iriel | Hobinheim: I would imagine doing that would prove he's NOT slouken. |
| 04:19.50 | slouken | Hobinhelm, granted. |
| 04:19.51 | Hobinheim | i'm only staying up cuz it's not midnight and i found a sammich to munch on =) |
| 04:20.08 | slouken | ouch! |
| 04:20.16 | VoidRaider|VR | slouken dies. |
| 04:20.19 | VoidRaider|VR | :P |
| 04:20.22 | Iriel | slouken: Is OSX worth at trip to the white side? |
| 04:20.39 | slouken | It's handy to have a triple boot system. :) |
| 04:20.52 | slouken | Otherwise... however you get your kicks. |
| 04:20.59 | Cairenn | lol |
| 04:21.08 | Hobinheim | should we bother testing if this is the real slouken |
| 04:21.13 | Cairenn | nope, they are two different people, I've met them both at the same time |
| 04:21.13 | Hobinheim | or accept that its a fake |
| 04:21.19 | ScytheBlade1 | What's the "pick a random number" function in lua? |
| 04:21.23 | Thunder_Child | mmmm......Parallels |
| 04:21.33 | slouken | math.random() |
| 04:21.36 | Thunder_Child | thats the only good reason for a mac |
| 04:21.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Bah, of course |
| 04:21.41 | ScytheBlade1 | here I was trying math.rand() |
| 04:21.42 | ScytheBlade1 | ty |
| 04:22.04 | VoidRaider|VR | lol |
| 04:22.43 | Iriel | is cairenn the real cairenn, tho? |
| 04:22.49 | slouken | yep |
| 04:22.52 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 04:22.57 | Tuller | who's on first? |
| 04:23.01 | Thunder_Child | they dont give out ops positions for free |
| 04:23.01 | slouken | who |
| 04:23.13 | Hobinheim | iriel is triple boxing slouken and cairenn |
| 04:23.17 | Thunder_Child | well ok maybe for free...but not to everyone |
| 04:24.21 | Iriel | I guess it couldn't be a white paper, since it's tainted. |
| 04:24.49 | kremonte | slouken: fix disconnects :-( |
| 04:24.58 | VoidRaider|VR | haha |
| 04:25.19 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+v slouken] by Cairenn |
| 04:25.34 | Hobinheim | these alleged slouken and iriel can prove their identities by posting a thread in the ui forums that mentions this chat |
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| 04:26.22 | Iriel | I refuse to prove that I exist, for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing. |
| 04:26.28 | PProvost | Evening everyone |
| 04:26.33 | Hobinheim | lo |
| 04:26.56 | VoidRaider|VR | hello |
| 04:27.02 | Hobinheim | without Faith, you can always fall back on Brave |
| 04:27.14 | kremonte | Faith? use transcendence, duh |
| 04:30.10 | Thunder_Child | dont |
| 04:31.42 | ScytheBlade1 | math.round()? :( |
| 04:32.20 | kremonte | anyone know how to make opentype fonts play nice with WoW? :( |
| 04:32.40 | Hobinheim | math.floor || math.ceil |
| 04:33.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Close enough, thanks |
| 04:33.26 | kremonte | you can do real rounding with string.format |
| 04:33.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Nah, that works fine |
| 04:33.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Especially for this /script macro I have |
| 04:33.56 | kremonte | ah |
| 04:34.17 | ScytheBlade1 | /script SendAddonMessage("KLHTM", "t "..math.ceil(math.random()*100)*(math.random()*100)), "RAID"); |
| 04:34.29 | ScytheBlade1 | ;) |
| 04:34.36 | kremonte | o_O |
| 04:34.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Sends random threat values to KTM ;) |
| 04:34.52 | Hobinheim | ouch |
| 04:35.03 | ScytheBlade1 | I just didn't want decimal points in there |
| 04:35.03 | Hobinheim | anyway, my sandwich is done |
| 04:35.06 | Hobinheim | as am i |
| 04:35.08 | Hobinheim | goodnight all |
| 04:35.18 | VoidRaider|VR | night |
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| 04:35.28 | kremonte | haha ScytheBlade1, i may use that macro =P |
| 04:35.43 | ScytheBlade1 | It's a nice macro |
| 04:35.51 | ScytheBlade1 | There's a reason I looked into KTM ;) |
| 04:37.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Or a better variant |
| 04:37.52 | ScytheBlade1 | /script SendAddonMessage("KLHTM", "t 0", "RAID"); |
| 04:38.32 | ScytheBlade1 | <-- plays a mage :P |
| 04:38.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Setting my threat to 0 is awesome. |
| 04:38.51 | VoidRaider|VR | haha |
| 04:38.58 | nymbia | imposter..s... |
| 04:39.00 | nymbia | ! |
| 04:39.35 | slouken | Where? |
| 04:39.37 | VoidRaider|VR | I 'believe' |
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| 04:40.32 | pastamancer | bah, multibyte characters! |
| 04:40.53 | kremonte | multibyte characters are for cool |
| 04:41.46 | pastamancer | I had to write my own string.len and string.sub to work with UTF8 :( |
| 04:46.04 | slouken2 | Will the real slouken please stand up? |
| 04:46.35 | slouken|AFK | poor Iriel |
| 04:46.44 | Iriel | I think sloukini would be a great vegetable name |
| 04:46.53 | slouken | lol |
| 04:47.00 | sloukenette | sloukini? rofl |
| 04:47.07 | kremonte | why doesn't WoW play nice with opentype fonts :-( |
| 04:47.33 | nymbia | ~blame slouken |
| 04:47.34 | purl | ACTION blames slouken (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
| 04:47.38 | VoidRaider|VR | slouken-pa |
| 04:47.47 | Thunder_Child | and canada huh... |
| 04:47.54 | slouken | Hey Cairenn, did you see what purl said? |
| 04:47.56 | nymbia | yes, and canada. |
| 04:47.59 | Thunder_Child | purl might be right at that |
| 04:48.30 | Iriel | Canadia's the source of many of our troubles |
| 04:48.32 | Cairenn | bad purl! |
| 04:48.35 | slouken | lol |
| 04:48.41 | slouken | Okay folks, see ya later... |
| 04:48.44 | Thunder_Child | yes, like nice people |
| 04:48.46 | Cairenn | night slouken |
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| 04:48.50 | Thunder_Child | night |
| 04:48.52 | VoidRaider|VR | night |
| 04:48.55 | Iriel | Mine, at any rate, disproportionately to its population |
| 04:50.02 | Thunder_Child | ~canada |
| 04:50.05 | purl | i heard canada is the 52 state of America. only without all the cool shit like guns.... |
| 04:50.05 | kremonte | anyone know of an otf to ttf converter? google gives me nothing but garblebla |
| 04:50.14 | Thunder_Child | lolz |
| 04:50.29 | Cairenn | ! |
| 04:50.35 | Cairenn | purl, die |
| 04:50.36 | purl | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. |
| 04:51.35 | Cairenn|afk | later, daughter at PC |
| 04:51.38 | Thunder_Child | well to many things US canada is domestic...not international......except for shiping...*grumbels* bastards |
| 04:52.06 | Thunder_Child | s/grumbels/grumbles/ |
| 04:52.24 | Thunder_Child | wow...thats still doesnt make any sense |
| 04:52.28 | Thunder_Child | GJ me |
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| 04:55.20 | kremonte | WTB old hunter's mark PST |
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| 05:04.40 | ckknight | hey all |
| 05:04.52 | Thunder_Child | hey ck |
| 05:05.44 | seebs | !@#$1$@ computers. |
| 05:06.11 | seebs | Imagine that you had a 60GB drive, and you were going to split it into a 10GB and a 50GB partition, and format the 10GB. How many minutes would you think this operation would take? TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTEEN, that's how many. |
| 05:07.54 | Tain | I'm thinking more like fifteen seconds. |
| 05:08.37 | Iriel | It would depend which O/S you were using, what tools you were using, and how full the drive was |
| 05:08.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | holy hell is fred flintstone formatting your drive with a chisel |
| 05:09.30 | Tain | If you want to do it right you have to etch the bits by hand yourself. |
| 05:09.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | i formatted a 300 GB hard drive in less than a minute, though it was a quick format |
| 05:09.52 | Iriel | I dont think seebs'problem was the format |
| 05:09.55 | VoidRaider|VR | and what HD, FAT as well as technology :) |
| 05:10.06 | Iriel | I suspect it was shifting the previously 60GB of data around into 50GB of space |
| 05:10.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | still, that shouldnt take 3.5 hours |
| 05:10.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | O_O |
| 05:11.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | unless its fragmented as hell |
| 05:11.38 | seebs | No, no, it's EMPTY. |
| 05:11.41 | seebs | BRAND !@#$!@#$ NEW. |
| 05:11.47 | VoidRaider|VR | oh |
| 05:11.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | O_o |
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| 05:11.54 | seebs | This is just a FORMAT. No existing data. It doesn't even THINK there's existing data. |
| 05:11.59 | seebs | WTFBBQ. |
| 05:12.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | did you do a quick or full format? |
| 05:12.04 | seebs | "Full". |
| 05:12.06 | Iriel | What MR2 just said. |
| 05:12.19 | seebs | I thought "gosh, it's completely empty, even a full format of 10GB should take only a couple of minutes". |
| 05:12.30 | Iriel | It writes every byte of the disk |
| 05:12.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | i always do quick unless i'm switching from one FS to another |
| 05:12.33 | Iriel | in 'full' mode |
| 05:12.46 | seebs | Yeah, but even then... |
| 05:12.51 | Tain | A full format will hit every sector, it doesn't matter if there is data or not. |
| 05:12.54 | VoidRaider|VR | Still weird that it takes that long imo |
| 05:12.55 | seebs | It's a pretty modern disk. |
| 05:13.04 | seebs | It ought to be able to write something like 8-10MB/sec, at LEAST. |
| 05:13.25 | seebs | Hmmmm. |
| 05:13.26 | VoidRaider|VR | or took* :) |
| 05:13.39 | seebs | Here's the thing. If it were just under 5MB/sec, the whole DRIVE would take about 215 minutes. |
| 05:13.59 | seebs | Well, huh! It claims to be 16% done. I wonder if, around 17%, it'll suddenly declare itself done. |
| 05:14.32 | seebs | I totally wish I'd thought to start that format BEFORE running out to do errands, though. |
| 05:21.39 | Industrial | ding 25 |
| 05:24.02 | seebs | Woot. |
| 05:24.21 | seebs | Man, I totally need a life. I'm sitting here watching a format bar tick. |
| 05:24.38 | seebs | Maybe I should log in and see whether I can level a toon up before the PS3 can finish formatting its stupid disk. |
| 05:26.32 | Tuller | haha, you got a ps3 :P |
| 05:29.00 | seebs | Hey, don't look at me funny, it's for WORK. |
| 05:29.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | wee |
| 05:29.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | defragmenting an 80 GB drive that's 53% fragmented |
| 05:29.15 | seebs | Hey, Tuller, did I successfully bug you about the feature I wanted in vBagnon? |
| 05:29.28 | Tuller | err, potentially, I might have forgotten |
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| 05:29.32 | seebs | Hmm. |
| 05:29.35 | seebs | Oh! I remember. |
| 05:29.38 | seebs | Two things I beg of you: |
| 05:29.55 | seebs | 1. A way to EDIT a category, in case I pick the wrong flags for it when I create it. |
| 05:30.04 | seebs | 2. A way to see which flags a given item does, or doesn't, match. |
| 05:30.28 | Tuller | oh yes |
| 05:30.32 | seebs | I did a couple of experiments trying to make a category, and found it too painful, because I couldn't refine a category once I created it. |
| 05:31.03 | kergoth | i want to be able to move around categories in the bar without swapping them. moving one category between two others and shifting the rest down requires swapping like 14 different categories around for me :P |
| 05:31.07 | seebs | Oh, and just because I'm a TOTAL LUDDITE: I'd love an option for displaying the ALL category in the same order and layout as the actual inventory bags, so all Backpack items are to the right, and so on. |
| 05:31.14 | Tuller | once I do the GUI properly, hovering over a rule will highlight any item in your bags that make the rule |
| 05:31.19 | seebs | Ooohohohh. |
| 05:31.24 | seebs | You are awesome. |
| 05:31.28 | kergoth | perhaps just an option to drag a category to a position between two other categories, have a line highlight between them or something |
| 05:31.37 | Tuller | that too |
| 05:31.37 | kergoth | nifty |
| 05:31.51 | seebs | I have tried a number of other bag mods, they are, uhm. Elaborate. |
| 05:32.05 | Tuller | I can't figure out engbags :P |
| 05:32.09 | seebs | Interesting, but WAY too complicated for me. Honestly, the search feature is pretty much the only thing I really needed. |
| 05:32.43 | kergoth | what i love about vbagnon is that it provides a great deal of flexibility without a horribly complex configuration interface |
| 05:32.58 | seebs | Oh, and one other feature request, since I pay you so much and you owe me some productive work: Profile settings so I can set all my toons up with the same initial settings. |
| 05:33.18 | Tuller | that'll happen too, eventually |
| 05:33.25 | seebs | I was pretty unhappy with the lack of any kind of sort or search feature for a while. Then I discovered that there's a search feature. |
| 05:33.51 | seebs | I have gotten to be VERY cautious in my phrasing when I tell people that I want a feature they don't provide. |
| 05:34.26 | Tuller | I really need to not have released so may mods :P |
| 05:34.30 | Tuller | err many |
| 05:34.38 | seebs | You should drop the ones I don't use. |
| 05:35.15 | seebs | By the way, Bongos is love. Bongos+OmniCC replaces about three other mods I used to use, only it's way better than all of them put together. |
| 05:35.35 | Tuller | the order of development right now is bongos, then vbagnon again |
| 05:35.38 | seebs | I thought I found a bug, but it wasn't yours; it was some kind of very weird problem I introduced by misusing Cedega. |
| 05:36.06 | Tuller | so quickly, figure out how setting up paging and stances should really work :) |
| 05:36.11 | seebs | I found a cool way to make Cedega destroy my SavedVariables completely. |
| 05:36.27 | seebs | Well, I've been unable to play because I'm obsessive, and I've been trying to get my extra keys working. |
| 05:36.36 | Tuller | my general idea is set the number of button sets a bar has, which are completely exclusive to that bar, and set states for those to show |
| 05:36.42 | seebs | So until I figure out what to map them to to get Cedega and WoW to process them, I lose. |
| 05:37.12 | seebs | Well, the existing thing works fine for me so far. I have 6-button bars, and I have all but a couple of them out, and just have a couple of bars shift with state changes. It works okay. |
| 05:37.28 | seebs | I am not a big user of elaborate changes in UI; I'm okay with just having a few buttons greyed out, most of the time. |
| 05:37.54 | Tuller | I can actually get by with 3 bars at max |
| 05:38.04 | Tuller | I just need two with two pages |
| 05:38.26 | seebs | I end up using a huge number because I load 'em up with all sorts of trinkets and items that I like to track. |
| 05:38.35 | Tuller | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:38.52 | seebs | I am gradually developing patterns like "this bar over here will hold my potions and bandages". |
| 05:39.17 | Tuller | everybody has a manual autobar :) |
| 05:39.58 | seebs | Pretty much. |
| 05:40.02 | seebs | I like to have all the things out. |
| 05:40.16 | seebs | What I wouldn't give for a way to specify which trinket slot a given trinket should equip in when clicked! |
| 05:40.44 | Tuller | isn't that possible via macros now? |
| 05:41.30 | seebs | It might be, but then I have to use macros instead of just dropping items on a slot! |
| 05:41.36 | seebs | Then I *WEEP*. |
| 05:41.48 | Tuller | the answer is it only lists Trinket |
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| 05:42.28 | JoshBork1 | *cry* someone help me :( |
| 05:42.36 | Tuller | JoshBork1: hrm? |
| 05:42.56 | JoshBork1 | for some reason my frame's OnShow handler isn't being called |
| 05:43.06 | Tuller | is it already shown? :) |
| 05:43.17 | JoshBork1 | well, i've just done <frame>:Show() |
| 05:43.27 | JoshBork1 | which should be enough, shouldn't it? |
| 05:43.29 | Tuller | xml or lua? |
| 05:43.31 | JoshBork1 | lua |
| 05:43.47 | Tuller | frame:Show() would work, if it was hidden previously |
| 05:44.12 | JoshBork1 | it's basically: frame:SetScript("OnShow", function() DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("I was shown!") end) |
| 05:44.23 | JoshBork1 | with a frame:Hide() prior to that ;-) |
| 05:44.32 | JoshBork1 | then, when I do frame:Show() I get nothing |
| 05:45.00 | JoshBork1 | but if i do: if (type(frame:GetScript("OnShow")) == "function) then frame:GetScript("OnShow")() end |
| 05:45.07 | JoshBork1 | it outputs what I want |
| 05:45.33 | JoshBork1 | does it have to be visible for it to show? |
| 05:45.45 | JoshBork1 | er, visible for it to trigger OnShow? |
| 05:45.59 | Tuller | yes, I think |
| 05:46.08 | Tuller | that is, its parent needs to be visible |
| 05:46.35 | JoshBork1 | blah, that's dumb |
| 05:47.00 | Tuller | well, its not really shown yet :) |
| 05:47.09 | JoshBork1 | but, but, blah |
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| 05:49.42 | JoshBork1 | it should be called OnVisible then :P |
| 05:51.50 | Tuller | now quickly, someone write me up a spec for how actionbars should be setup |
| 05:52.05 | JoshBork1 | o.O |
| 05:52.10 | JoshBork1 | what do you mean, setup? |
| 05:52.17 | JoshBork1 | as in visually or programmatically? |
| 05:52.23 | Tuller | visually :) |
| 05:53.07 | JoshBork1 | oh, well, i'm partial to a semi-curved set of 12 buttons arranged in 2 rows in the center beneath my character that change like the blizzard bars. at the very bottom I have a set of 12 buttons that hold misc stuff |
| 05:53.25 | JoshBork1 | above the bottom 12 buttons i have space for a pet bar, then the curved buttons go above those |
| 05:53.48 | JoshBork1 | perhaps a picture would help... |
| 05:53.51 | Tuller | not in the layout sense, but how stances and paging should be configured |
| 05:54.00 | Tuller | and sizing and what not |
| 05:54.05 | JoshBork1 | oh |
| 05:54.22 | JoshBork1 | um, beats me on stancing/paging =D iriel's the one who wrote that stuff |
| 05:54.25 | Tuller | that is, I need to look back into mazzle's suggestions again |
| 05:54.44 | Tuller | how the user should configure it, not how I should code it :) |
| 05:55.39 | JoshBork1 | lol |
| 05:56.07 | JoshBork1 | i'm but a simple man, don't confuse me such |
| 05:56.46 | seebs | Hmm. |
| 05:57.15 | seebs | Obviously, you can do stance shifts in combat if they are "show these buttons instead of those" or whatever. Is the 120-button limit still there? |
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| 05:57.51 | seebs | If you can get around that, just define full 120-button sets for each stance, and by default, any change made to the default stance is applied to all the others, but then you can modify them differently. |
| 05:58.14 | seebs | If you have to have some reserved bars or buttons or whatever that get swapped in when someone changes stance, or whatever... Hmm. |
| 05:59.10 | Tuller | the 120 button limit is still there, but I think I can break it |
| 05:59.24 | seebs | But as an example, for my druid, I just assigned 17-18 to cat form, and 19-20 to bear. (I have 6-button bars.) |
| 05:59.35 | seebs | So I just had 10-11 be +7 for cat or prowl, and +9 for bear. Good Enough. |
| 05:59.40 | Tuller | it would result in probably macros not being possible anymore |
| 06:00.01 | seebs | Hmm. |
| 06:00.13 | Tuller | well, make that anything that's not a spell :) |
| 06:00.20 | Tuller | so basically the 120 limit is still there |
| 06:00.29 | JoshBork1 | you can have infinite macros |
| 06:00.30 | seebs | Honestly, I'm pretty much okay with the 120-button thing, as long as I don't have the default GUI swapping bars around AND whatever stance stuff you do. |
| 06:01.22 | Tuller | wait, yeah I could break it |
| 06:01.30 | Tuller | but it would be a bit iffy to configure |
| 06:01.45 | Tuller | I would just have an infinite number of secure action buttons |
| 06:02.08 | seebs | Eeep. |
| 06:02.25 | JoshBork1 | yes, very iffy to configure |
| 06:03.16 | Iriel | The 120 button limit is there for 'actions' |
| 06:03.41 | Iriel | but if you're using SecureActionButtonTemplate instances you can directly set up spells, macros, items, etc, without using up an 'action button' |
| 06:03.57 | Iriel | You would have to do more work to make them 'look' right though |
| 06:04.06 | Tuller | yeah, that's what i'm thinking about |
| 06:05.21 | Tuller | Iriel: are there any plans to speed up SecureButton_GetModifiedAttribute? :) |
| 06:05.46 | seebs | You know what? Thinking about it, please don't fake them up, because then you'll have the endless mass of confusions caused whenever people roll their own, and tons of potential bugs. |
| 06:05.52 | Tuller | its probably more of a problem with me having a gigantic statebutton than anything |
| 06:06.20 | seebs | 120 is probably enough, as long as you give users reasonable control, and I'd rather have a small, efficient, Bongos which works reliably and interoperates well and is done soon. :) |
| 06:06.45 | seebs | I used to think 120 wasn't enough, but that was because I was clashing with the Blizzard-provided action bar switching and stance changes. |
| 06:06.46 | Iriel | Tuller: Unlikely, most of the time it's used infrequently, there are bigger optimizations that could be made in the base code. |
| 06:07.10 | Iriel | Eventually I hope we see some kind of optimized method, but I doubt it'll be anytime soon |
| 06:07.18 | seebs | Honestly, the current setup ("Cat Form, bar 10 offset +7") works pretty well for me. |
| 06:08.11 | Tuller | seebs: what I want to make is a system where all the possible buttons a bar can have are exclusive to that bar |
| 06:08.45 | seebs | Hmmm. |
| 06:08.59 | seebs | I am actually not totally convinced I want that. |
| 06:09.15 | seebs | Imagine, if you will, a bar which consists of "items equipped on my person with a Use effect". |
| 06:09.34 | JoshBork1 | ZOMG! it's working! |
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| 06:09.43 | seebs | I might want this, in cat and bear form, moved over to a position next to my cat and bear feral attacks/skills, but otherwise put over with my other inventory stuff. |
| 06:10.06 | Tuller | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4744&so=&page=8, scroll down to mazzle's post |
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| 06:10.35 | seebs | (May have to go for a bit, but I will think about this some more.) |
| 06:10.39 | seebs | Cogwheel! Good to see you. |
| 06:11.07 | Tuller | Iriel: its only really a problem for actionbar mods, but can be alleviated by saving the returns. |
| 06:11.31 | Iriel | Tuller: Indeed, a cache that clears on OnAttributeChanged should be pretty spiffy |
| 06:11.44 | seebs | Hmm. I see your point about the wasted space. I just have all my bars the same size, so I never waste any space. |
| 06:12.05 | seebs | I do like the idea, in principle, of making sure all IDs are used. |
| 06:15.20 | seebs | Hey, cogwheel, I still haven't been able to find a good way to remap keys suitably for my app, but eventually either I will, or I'll just write a tiny xlib app to snoop on the input stream for me and convert F13-F30 into modified F1-F12. |
| 06:17.06 | cogwheel | yeah... i really don't know how the windows API handles extra keys like that... |
| 06:17.51 | seebs | Me neither. I only know the USB spec part, and I'm getting nowhere on it. |
| 06:18.12 | seebs | So, I'm ignoring it to load Linux on a PS3 and make the nice editor pay me to write about it. :) |
| 06:18.24 | seebs | Poor WoW. Always getting bumped from my schedule just because of paying work. |
| 06:18.50 | cogwheel | heh... sounds like your living is a bit more interesting than mine :P |
| 06:19.35 | cogwheel | I get to fight with VBA/Access part of the time and deal with snobby rich people who drink too much wine the rest of the time |
| 06:20.43 | Neuro_Medivh | One of my addons is bleeding memory like a stuck pig |
| 06:21.19 | Neuro_Medivh | what's a good memory loss? I'm assuming 3kb/sec is atrocious |
| 06:21.30 | cogwheel | O.o |
| 06:21.38 | cogwheel | that's nothing... |
| 06:21.43 | Iriel | really depends what's going on |
| 06:21.51 | Neuro_Medivh | standing still in Ironforge =) |
| 06:21.52 | seebs | I'm a freelance technical writer. It's very exciting, in that "not getting paid for 6 months this one time, while working an average of 10-20 hours a week" is sort of dramatic. |
| 06:21.53 | cogwheel | i get up to around 25-30 when enginventory is open... |
| 06:21.57 | Iriel | If there's a lot of channel chatter that's not bad at all |
| 06:22.25 | Antiar1 | The very worst part about debugging addons that have to work around local cache issues is the /quit; clear wdbs; log back in required after every change. |
| 06:23.41 | cogwheel | Neuro_Medivh: http://lua-users.org/wiki/OptimisingGarbageCollection |
| 06:27.24 | Tierrie | does an empty table t={} evaluate to true or false? |
| 06:27.52 | cogwheel | any value other than nil or false evaluates as true |
| 06:28.00 | Tierrie | thanks |
| 06:28.35 | cogwheel | (including 0... a gotcha for people farmiliar with other languages) |
| 06:37.55 | Tierrie | my lack of planning has doomed my last 300 lines ;( |
| 06:40.15 | Iriel | tierrie: Did you see my comment yesterday about the metatable on _G NOT breaking wow |
| 06:52.46 | VoidRaider|VR | Night all |
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| 07:43.23 | Tierrie | Iriel I saw your comments, i don't know what to say to that |
| 07:44.00 | Tierrie | I'll try it again sometime |
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| 09:13.57 | ViRii[K] | http://wowi.pastey.net/4124 <- Error: Couldn't parse XML in Interface\AddOns\TyMod\TyMod.xml |
| 09:14.32 | ViRii[K] | Anyone want to help a newbie out? |
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| 09:19.39 | seebs | Er, why not. |
| 09:19.41 | seebs | What help do you need? |
| 09:20.23 | ViRii[K] | Well I'm making this really simple mod, just to start out with that pops up a message whenever you get the killing blow on someone (In the middle of the screen just saying something like "You got the killing blow on X" |
| 09:20.56 | ViRii[K] | So far, I have the paste I did above for my XML document, and then this http://wowi.pastey.net/4125 is my lua document |
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| 09:24.42 | ViRii[K] | Any ideas what I'm doing wrong? |
| 09:25.35 | seebs | Hmm. |
| 09:25.56 | seebs | Is that the whole XML file? |
| 09:26.00 | ViRii[K] | Yes |
| 09:26.11 | seebs | Then you're missing <Ui/> |
| 09:26.15 | seebs | Er, </Ui> |
| 09:26.23 | seebs | You have to close EVERY tag, even the initial <Ui...> tag. |
| 09:27.00 | ViRii[K] | Ah ok just a sec |
| 09:27.03 | seebs | Oh, and your <Script> line needs a /; it should be <Script file="TyMod.lua"/> |
| 09:27.19 | ViRii[K] | Alright, anything else? |
| 09:27.30 | seebs | Nothing leaps out at me. |
| 09:27.45 | seebs | Get an XML parser, it'll save you a lot of trouble. :) |
| 09:28.26 | ViRii[K] | I'm using Blua, is that what you mean or..? |
| 09:29.14 | seebs | An XML parser would be a program that would tell you that you failed to close a particular tag in your XML, for instance. |
| 09:29.33 | seebs | I don't know what people use for that in Windows land. I do enough XML that I just eyeball it, but I don't recommend that to sane people. |
| 09:30.37 | ViRii[K] | Hmm ok |
| 09:32.57 | seebs | And with that, I think I'd better decide whether I'm working or sleeping, 'cuz I have to feed a friend's cats in about 5 hours. |
| 09:32.58 | seebs | BLAH. |
| 09:43.30 | ViRii[K] | Is there any event that fires when you get the killing blow on someone? |
| 09:43.30 | ViRii[K] | PLAYER_PVP_KILLS_CHANGED fires whenever you get any HK |
| 09:44.25 | nevcairiel | CHAT_MSG_COMBAT_HOSTILE_DEATH ? |
| 09:45.56 | ViRii[K] | Hmm, what do the two args mean in the wiki? http://www.wowwiki.com/Events_C_(Cancel,_Character,_Chat,_Cinematic,_Clear,_Close,_Confirm,_Corpse,_Craft,_Current,_Cursor,_CVar) |
| 09:46.56 | nevcairiel | its the string you can parse for, to detect if it really was a killing blow |
| 09:46.58 | nevcairiel | or a death |
| 09:49.32 | ViRii[K] | So, how would I check to make sure it was a killing blow? CHAT_MSG_COMBAT_HOSTILE_DEATH(arg1)? |
| 09:49.54 | seebs | CHAT_MSG_COMBAT_HOSTILE_DEATH, check arg1 against "You have slain" -- but be aware that this needs localizing if you care about other languages. |
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| 09:50.23 | Grem | Does anyone know a way to check if a UI element exists with a function |
| 09:50.34 | Grem | Other than if UIElement = nil |
| 09:50.39 | Grem | == nil that is |
| 09:50.50 | Grem | I need a way to check if an object exists and have it return TRUE or FALSE |
| 09:51.24 | ViRii[K] | seebs: How would I "check arg 1 against" I'm new to Lua but not new to programming |
| 09:51.48 | ViRii[K] | Something like: if(CHAT_MSG_COMBAT_HOSTILE_DEATH = "You have slain") send_message() ? |
| 09:51.49 | seebs | if (string.find(arg1, "You have slain")) then ... end |
| 09:52.19 | seebs | You can't use comparison (which is ==, not =) because it's "You have slain Kobold Laborer!", and the strings would be different. |
| 09:52.28 | seebs | So you use string.find. Or at least, I do. :) |
| 09:52.43 | seebs | Grem: I think your only option is ~= nil. |
| 09:52.51 | Grem | I need another option =) |
| 09:53.03 | Grem | LUA doesnt have a way to check ? |
| 09:54.01 | seebs | Why do you need another option? |
| 09:54.07 | nevcairiel | (getglobal("framename") == nil) ? |
| 09:54.08 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 09:54.40 | seebs | I guess, I don't understand what you're trying to do at all. I can't think of a case where I would need to know whether a UI element existed, but "~= nil" wouldn't work. |
| 09:54.53 | ViRii[K] | seebs: http://wowi.pastey.net/4126 Like this? |
| 09:54.57 | Grem | I just want something like: if (UIElement.exists) |
| 09:55.06 | Grem | or ObjectValid(UIElement) |
| 09:55.10 | Grem | Something to that effect |
| 09:55.17 | nevcairiel | if (UIElement) |
| 09:55.19 | seebs | Okay. |
| 09:55.20 | nevcairiel | whats wrong with that? |
| 09:55.21 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 09:55.32 | Grem | right |
| 09:55.43 | seebs | Grem: local function ObjectValid(u) if (u ~= nil) then return true; else return false; end end |
| 09:56.04 | Grem | lol |
| 09:56.04 | Grem | k |
| 09:56.09 | seebs | BTW, ".exists" could never happen; if it doesn't exist, there's nothing to call the method for. |
| 09:56.26 | Grem | Good point |
| 09:56.36 | seebs | ViRii: Yeah, although IMHO you should format more consistently with other addons, it'll make your life easier. |
| 09:56.55 | seebs | Canonical lua formatting is "if (condition) then // [indented] actions // [unindented] end |
| 09:56.56 | seebs | " |
| 09:57.14 | ViRii[K] | hmm ok |
| 09:58.08 | Grem | Is this a valid statement, on one line: if MyUI then return true end |
| 09:58.36 | seebs | It might be; you may need the ()s. |
| 09:58.43 | seebs | <-- not really a lua expert |
| 09:59.40 | seebs | Wow, I just had one of those astounding insights. |
| 09:59.44 | seebs | On the one hand, I'm hungry. |
| 09:59.49 | seebs | On the other hand, I have a case of ramen. |
| 09:59.54 | seebs | I could totally take decisive action here. |
| 10:02.12 | ViRii[K] | how would I get it to say the name of the player that you get an HK of? |
| 10:02.47 | ViRii[K] | and how would I display something as a message in the middle of the screen rather then a new window that they have to close? |
| 10:04.10 | seebs | I don't know about the middle of the screen thing. |
| 10:04.25 | ViRii[K] | Well what about the regular chat window? |
| 10:04.47 | seebs | local player = string.match(arg1, "You have slain (.*)!"); if (player) then message("You kilted " .. player); end |
| 10:05.09 | seebs | Don't ask me. I have only marginal awareness of the WoW UI API. |
| 10:05.25 | seebs | I'm just hanging out while I watch the world's slowest Linux installation. |
| 10:05.53 | ViRii[K] | lol ok |
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| 10:23.01 | fubi | do you guys use the new focus target? |
| 10:23.14 | seebs | I haven't yet. |
| 10:23.23 | seebs | I haven't been able to play much, though, I've been debugging my addon or working. |
| 10:28.47 | fubi | doesnt seem very useful to me, when some kind of raidframes |
| 10:30.19 | seebs | I think it's there to basically let you have a pair of targets; say, so you can watch one target consistently while messing around with others. |
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| 10:34.14 | subbawt | i use it |
| 10:34.49 | subbawt | as a healer i generally set a warrior as my focus |
| 10:34.58 | subbawt | whether it's on trash or a healing assignment on a boss fight |
| 10:35.13 | subbawt | and i have combat text enabled for the focus unit frame |
| 10:35.24 | subbawt | so i can see everything that's happening to him while switching targets to spot heal |
| 10:35.34 | subbawt | and i have a few keys bound to macros that cast spells directly on my focus |
| 10:36.32 | seebs | Okay, cool. I've never played a healer seriously, so it's nice to know my abstract theorycraft about how to play one works out. :) |
| 10:37.36 | subbawt | i would imagine it would be useful in situations like domo |
| 10:37.41 | subbawt | mage set healer to focus |
| 10:37.43 | subbawt | sheep focus |
| 10:37.49 | subbawt | and follow MA |
| 10:38.06 | zenzelezz | hm, good point... |
| 10:38.12 | zenzelezz | no more "WHERE'S MY ADD!?" |
| 10:38.16 | subbawt | aye |
| 10:38.27 | subbawt | no stumbling to find your raid symbol either |
| 10:38.38 | subbawt | omg where's the nipple! |
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| 10:40.20 | zenzelezz | now if only the other warriors in my guild would learn the MT raid symbol order x.x |
| 10:40.51 | zenzelezz | two of us have a macro to tell them, but I seem to be the only one that remembers them |
| 10:42.08 | subbawt | i really like the focus target |
| 10:43.27 | subbawt | it also makes assist macros pretty easy |
| 10:43.34 | zenzelezz | I haven't used it much yet myself, but I think it's a really good addition |
| 10:43.37 | subbawt | /focus MA |
| 10:43.43 | subbawt | and have a macro that is like /assist focus |
| 10:43.49 | subbawt | no more macro editing! |
| 10:44.53 | subbawt | for the default UI, all i can see that it does is adds a glowing frame around your "focus" when you select him |
| 10:45.20 | subbawt | but with aguf you can have the unit frame of your focus displayed on screen at all times |
| 10:45.28 | subbawt | and i would imagine most other unit frame mods have the same feature |
| 10:45.42 | zenzelezz | or could easily, if they don't |
| 10:47.44 | subbawt | sometimes i set the boss as the focus, just because as a healer i like to see what's going on |
| 10:48.08 | subbawt | how dps is, if debuffs are being taken care of, etc |
| 10:48.42 | zenzelezz | throw more DoTs!!! |
| 10:49.01 | subbawt | more like More HoTs! |
| 10:49.10 | zenzelezz | not on the boss |
| 10:49.15 | subbawt | people don't utilize stacking hots enough in my raids :( |
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| 11:10.46 | zenzelezz | 0, |
| 11:11.22 | zenzelezz | oops |
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| 11:16.11 | ViRii[K] | So if I have two events registered with my mod, how can I differnciate between the two when one is fired? |
| 11:19.55 | zenzelezz | depends slightly how your function is formed, but something like "if event == FIRST_EVENT" |
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| 12:31.34 | Kirkburn | Aah, crap. I should've kept track of my bandwidth usage |
| 12:31.53 | Kirkburn | Got £20 on my next bill :/ |
| 12:32.04 | clad|work | i have to track bandwidth out therE? |
| 12:32.07 | Grine | <3 unlimited use :P |
| 12:32.07 | clad|work | that's gonna kill me =/ |
| 12:32.16 | Kirkburn | No, no |
| 12:32.20 | Kirkburn | Damn public, downloading stuff from ClearFont .co.uk:P |
| 12:32.29 | clad|work | oh |
| 12:32.30 | clad|work | lol |
| 12:32.30 | clad|work | =) |
| 12:32.37 | clad|work | Kirkburn: I can toss you up with unlim bandwidth |
| 12:32.38 | clad|work | *shrug* |
| 12:32.42 | Kirkburn | 20210 MB downloaded this month |
| 12:33.01 | clad|work | that's like 0.25% of my allowed bandwidth |
| 12:33.04 | clad|work | i'm serious btw |
| 12:33.06 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 12:33.07 | clad|work | i could at least mirror |
| 12:34.40 | Kirkburn | Hmm, could be an idea ... I'm going to remove the files that have bumped it up this month later, might talk to you about it later :) |
| 12:35.03 | Kirkburn | I'm glad that it's only £0.99 /GB, thought it might have been more |
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| 12:46.56 | Hobinheim | LOLZ WAI DUZN"T DECUSIRVE WORK |
| 12:49.45 | nevcairiel | o_O |
| 12:50.07 | Grine | Hobinheim, ? |
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| 12:59.20 | Bouvi | Morning |
| 13:02.21 | Bouvi | ~good morning |
| 13:02.25 | purl | Good morning, good! Have a cookie... oh no! The cookie jar is dry! |
| 13:02.42 | Bouvi | Purl ate the last cookie :( |
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| 13:47.45 | Bouvi | ~too quiet |
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| 14:22.23 | xgravix | would you trust somebody with to craft three arcanite bars for you =/ |
| 14:22.39 | Bouvi | Only a guildie |
| 14:25.48 | Neebler | well they can only craft a bar once every 2 days, or some cooldown like that |
| 14:26.13 | zenzelezz | 48 hours, yes |
| 14:27.28 | Neebler | lately alot of people are transferring and ebaying, so I wouldn't trust any deals that are shady |
| 14:28.03 | Neebler | I've never been scammed before but I lost 200g to a former guild mate, who asked to borrow it from me, then transferred the next day |
| 14:28.15 | nevcairiel | haha |
| 14:28.20 | Bouvi | ouch |
| 14:28.44 | Neebler | happened a couple of days ago |
| 14:28.45 | Bouvi | Most of my guildies I have known for about 5 years. We were all in another game together. I trust them. |
| 14:31.27 | foxlit | Is trust binary? |
| 14:33.24 | Bouvi | I think more like assembly |
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| 14:34.20 | foxlit | I'd prefer a datatype :P |
| 14:34.35 | foxlit | Is trust binary? |
| 14:34.41 | foxlit | s/binary/a boolean/ |
| 14:35.33 | Bouvi | Trust is like an if statement. You trust or else. |
| 14:36.07 | foxlit | That'd make it a boolean. |
| 14:36.27 | Bouvi | No that is a thin ghost |
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| 14:38.38 | Cairenn|afk | Bouvi: re your PM to me on the site ... You're welcome :) |
| 14:39.37 | Bouvi | hehe I had to think for a min. It was 4:30 in the morning (woke up and could not sleep) |
| 14:39.43 | Cairenn|afk | :) |
| 14:40.37 | Smeltn | 0101010101 on my guildies |
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| 14:42.16 | cogwheel | Cairenn|afk: did you see my post in the Mod Author Resources thread? |
| 14:42.33 | Cairenn|afk | yes |
| 14:42.48 | Cairenn|afk | I need to get the thread updated again |
| 14:43.11 | cogwheel | btw: i reworded it to fit into the post :) |
| 14:43.28 | Cairenn|afk | the Macro thread needs to be basically re-written, at this point |
| 14:43.32 | Cairenn|afk | thanks :) |
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| 14:49.18 | amro | anyone know of a text editor that allows you to view multiple files at once emacs-style? |
| 14:50.15 | Smeltn | hmm |
| 14:50.20 | Smeltn | who makes cycircled |
| 14:50.39 | Smeltn | and is there another mod like cycircled for b3? |
| 14:51.15 | nevcairiel | i think sairen does cyCircled |
| 14:51.25 | nevcairiel | but i dont think its easy to hide empty buttons with cyCircled |
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| 15:09.27 | |FF|Im2good4u | b:SetNormalTexture("Interface\\Buttons\\UI-Panel-Button-Up") works but this b:SetNormalTexture(GetMacroIconInfo(1)) doent ? |
| 15:09.43 | |FF|Im2good4u | does some1 got any idea why ? |
| 15:10.44 | nevcairiel | try GetMacroIconInfo if it returns the right thing? |
| 15:12.49 | |FF|Im2good4u | ir does |
| 15:12.57 | |FF|Im2good4u | it does return a string to a texture |
| 15:15.19 | |FF|Im2good4u | weird isnt it ? |
| 15:15.32 | nevcairiel | yea |
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| 15:16.01 | foxlit | Magic does not exist. |
| 15:16.05 | |FF|Im2good4u | i use it somewhere else on a texture whit RaidLeaderAssist_Interface_Icon_Panel_TextureTexture:SetTexture(GetMacroIconInfo(newtexid)) and it works just fine |
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| 15:16.20 | foxlit | So find what goes wrong and fix that. |
| 15:16.23 | zenzelezz | if I try /script message("Texture: "..GetMacroIconInfo(1)); I get a message with just "Texture: ", nothing more |
| 15:16.46 | nevcairiel | i dont get a texture name either |
| 15:16.54 | nevcairiel | but i dont know how macros are indexd :) |
| 15:17.45 | |FF|Im2good4u | i have a /command to Silvanas.Print(GetMacroIconInfo(1)) and i do get a texture patth .. let me try the /script |
| 15:18.06 | foxlit | GetMacroIconInfo(1) gives nil |
| 15:18.11 | nevcairiel | i did it with /dump using devtools |
| 15:18.16 | nevcairiel | and gave me a empty string |
| 15:18.37 | foxlit | (or, yes, an empty string) |
| 15:18.42 | foxlit | So use a valid index. |
| 15:19.13 | |FF|Im2good4u | 1 is valid lol its the first icon a ? mark |
| 15:19.20 | |FF|Im2good4u | indes fdoes from 1 to 722 |
| 15:19.29 | foxlit | Nevertheless, you don't get the icon texture back. |
| 15:20.05 | |FF|Im2good4u | somehow now im trying it i do get the path but my burron does indeed not seem to get the texture back :9 |
| 15:21.06 | nevcairiel | interesting thing now tho.. |
| 15:21.08 | nevcairiel | Returns "name", iconTextureID, "body", local = GetMacroInfo(MacroID) |
| 15:21.12 | nevcairiel | according to wowwiki |
| 15:21.18 | foxlit | nono |
| 15:21.21 | nevcairiel | but it does return the texture strrng for me :D |
| 15:21.26 | foxlit | GetMacroIconInfo, not GetMacroInfo |
| 15:21.29 | nevcairiel | i know |
| 15:21.34 | foxlit | But the wiki is missing something. |
| 15:21.35 | nevcairiel | but i wanted to check the icon id |
| 15:21.44 | nevcairiel | but it doesnt return it |
| 15:21.47 | foxlit | I've got an idea, will get back to you in a few minutes |
| 15:21.47 | nevcairiel | it tells me the full string |
| 15:21.50 | nevcairiel | doh! |
| 15:22.38 | nevcairiel | time to update that wiki page i guess |
| 15:23.16 | foxlit | Got it |
| 15:23.25 | |FF|Im2good4u | OO rly ? |
| 15:23.26 | foxlit | Call GetNumMacroIcons() before attempting to call GetMacroIconInfo() |
| 15:23.50 | |FF|Im2good4u | ah oke that sounds reasonable |
| 15:24.06 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 15:24.09 | nevcairiel | stupid UI |
| 15:26.00 | |FF|Im2good4u | `thanks a lot foxlit that indeed fixed my problem now time tp update the wiki :P |
| 15:27.02 | foxlit | Done that already. :) |
| 15:28.37 | |FF|Im2good4u | i see |
| 15:30.17 | |FF|Im2good4u | oke now my button textures work its time for my button texts's :p |
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| 15:41.16 | Bouvi | This addon making think is fun :) |
| 15:41.26 | Cairenn|afk | heh |
| 15:41.27 | Bouvi | s/thing/think |
| 15:41.54 | |FF|Im2good4u | wut think |
| 15:42.03 | |FF|Im2good4u | s/thing/think |
| 15:42.04 | zenzelezz | until you release something and you get all sorts of noobs hassling you to add stuff, change stuff or "how 2 install k??" |
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| 15:42.25 | Bouvi | This addon making THING is fun. Thanks alot purl you wimp |
| 15:42.38 | zenzelezz | don't blame the bot, you left out the trailing / |
| 15:42.48 | Bouvi | Been there done that with my UIs over the past year or so. |
| 15:43.05 | Bouvi | Sorry purl as usual I am the bonehead lol |
| 15:43.31 | Thunder_Child | and besides you were trying to change thing -> think |
| 15:43.45 | zenzelezz | there's a striking amount of people that forget the trailing / |
| 15:44.34 | Bouvi | I never packed all the addons my UIs used but linked to them from my site. One day this guy e-mails me asking for a pack and copied the links from my website completely intact. I could click on each one and download the mods. That had to have been the hilite. |
| 15:44.46 | Gnarfoz | there's an even greater amount of people who don't know what that means, anyway ^^ |
| 15:46.22 | Bouvi | s/hilight/highlight/ |
| 15:46.35 | Bouvi | Dang I cannot spell sniff |
| 15:46.53 | Bouvi | s/sniff/cry/ |
| 15:47.25 | Bouvi | purl to the rescue. I just want to be home lol |
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| 16:10.29 | TheKarn | anyone know how to move the blizzard character screen down? |
| 16:10.45 | foxlit | "blizzard character screen"? |
| 16:10.51 | Cairenn|afk | ?? |
| 16:11.11 | TheKarn | the characted screen, the one you get when you press "c" |
| 16:11.31 | Cairenn|afk | ah |
| 16:11.31 | Bouvi | Oh you could use MoveAnything |
| 16:11.38 | Bouvi | Or you mean programming wise |
| 16:11.39 | Cairenn|afk | you'd have to get something like MoveAn ... |
| 16:11.41 | Cairenn|afk | lol |
| 16:11.45 | TheKarn | programming wise |
| 16:12.04 | Bouvi | Well that is above my head..... |
| 16:12.23 | TheKarn | i just wanna move the tops of all the frames to 20 pixels below SkinnerTF:GetBottom() ;) |
| 16:12.52 | End | you'd have keep it from being managed anymore |
| 16:14.07 | Droolio | is there any provision for taking over an addon project page on wowi? |
| 16:14.19 | Cairenn|afk | Droolio: what mod? |
| 16:14.27 | Cairenn|afk | link, please? |
| 16:14.28 | Droolio | ZeppelinMaster |
| 16:14.49 | End | TheKarn: unless, do you want all the "panel windows" moved? |
| 16:14.50 | Cairenn|afk | nm. found it |
| 16:15.12 | TheKarn | if by "panel windows" you mean Character frame, social frame, spellbook etc ... then yeah :) |
| 16:15.20 | Droolio | i've taken the project over on curse and ui.wow with permission from sammysnake the original author... |
| 16:15.34 | Cairenn|afk | Droolio: send me a PM on the site with the link, I'll get it transferred over to you, since it does seem to be abandoned |
| 16:15.42 | Droolio | ok thanks |
| 16:15.45 | Cairenn|afk | np |
| 16:16.31 | Cairenn|afk | are you taking over the plugin version of it as well? |
| 16:17.09 | End | TheKarn: you may have to replace SetLeftFrame, SetCenterFrame and SetRightFrame in UIParent.lua |
| 16:17.20 | End | which, unfortunately, might brings issues up with taint |
| 16:17.34 | Droolio | the titan plugin is already part of the zepmaster package so really it's obsolete |
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| 16:17.38 | TheKarn | MoveAnything has done it afaik |
| 16:17.46 | TheKarn | i might get a copy down and see how it was done |
| 16:18.04 | Cairenn|afk | Droolio: okay :) |
| 16:18.29 | End | well, it's the points are set directly to UIParent unfortunately |
| 16:18.32 | Cairenn|afk | TheKarn: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6341-MoveAnythingBC.html |
| 16:19.44 | End | interesting |
| 16:19.58 | TheKarn | cheers cair |
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| 16:52.25 | TheKarn | hmm .. that was easy enough ... |
| 16:52.40 | TheKarn | i just replaced the SetLeftFrame method in UIParent.lua |
| 16:53.58 | JoshBork1 | go in to combat ;-) |
| 16:53.58 | TheKarn | hehe |
| 16:54.15 | TheKarn | http://karn.pastey.net/4133 <-- what i've done so far :( |
| 16:55.05 | TheKarn | i'm in combat ... and its still working fine |
| 16:55.20 | End | try opening the spellbook frame |
| 16:55.53 | TheKarn | bollocks |
| 16:55.58 | TheKarn | how do i get around that? |
| 16:56.06 | End | I'm not sure you can |
| 16:56.19 | JoshBork1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:56.48 | End | well, you might be able to get it so in combat other frames get adjusted properly, but that one is placed where it normally gets placed |
| 16:57.21 | TheKarn | JoshBork1, can you think of a better way to move all the frames down below SkinnerTF? |
| 16:58.11 | JoshBork1 | don't ask me, i'm just a simpleton |
| 16:59.12 | End | anyways, the spellbook frame doesn't show up at all, right? |
| 16:59.51 | TheKarn | yup |
| 17:00.39 | End | well, what you could do is securefunchook() on SetLeftFrame to just move frames -after- blizzard shows/messes with them first |
| 17:01.01 | End | and add an except for SpellBookFrame, since you can't move that |
| 17:01.03 | TheKarn | i've not looked into securefunchook() before |
| 17:01.29 | JoshBork1 | make sure that your secure hook isn't called when you move things either ;-) |
| 17:01.54 | TheKarn | what do you mean josh? |
| 17:02.01 | End | the hook would only get called when SetLeftFrame gets called, so that wouldn't be an issue |
| 17:02.06 | JoshBork1 | ah, indeed |
| 17:02.13 | End | and TheKarn only wants to readjust things |
| 17:02.15 | JoshBork1 | like i said, i'm a simpleton :) |
| 17:03.31 | End | anyways, unfortunately, your SpellBookFrame will still be put into the old position in combat, but that's the best I can think of right now |
| 17:03.39 | TheKarn | End, thats fine |
| 17:03.49 | TheKarn | i hardly use the spellbook in combat anyway |
| 17:04.10 | TheKarn | its just i have my chat windows in my SkinnerTF and so my char screen covers it up :) |
| 17:04.11 | End | I don't either, but there are those rare occasions :P |
| 17:04.25 | TheKarn | yeah and at that point it doesnt really matter where it gets put |
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| 17:22.38 | Gnarfoz | anyone know a character profile thingy that works for beta servers? |
| 17:24.30 | Cairenn|afk | check wowreader |
| 17:24.56 | Cairenn|afk | http://wow.allakhazam.com/Wowreader.html |
| 17:26.58 | TheKarn | End, it seems to be working |
| 17:27.13 | TheKarn | i had one error thrown when opening/closing spellbook in combat but it hasnt happened again for some reason |
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| 17:34.10 | Gnarfoz | Cairenn|afk: I don't have a beta acc myself, but someone who has says his profiles don't show up under 'my characters' for him |
| 17:34.25 | Cairenn|afk | dunno then =/ |
| 17:34.36 | Gnarfoz | hrm. ctprofiles for him, then |
| 17:34.37 | Gnarfoz | ;> |
| 17:34.42 | Gnarfoz | if they have beta items xD |
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| 17:39.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | will someone please tell me why this makes me crack up so much: http://whatyouseewhenyoudie.ytmnd.com/ |
| 17:39.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | every damn time i burst out into laughter |
| 17:39.39 | Cairenn|afk | lol |
| 17:40.14 | |Shadow| | hmm |
| 17:40.23 | |Shadow| | do blizzard ever actually update the forum character charter? |
| 17:40.43 | Cairenn|afk | Mr_Rabies2: that's just odd, lol |
| 17:40.46 | |Shadow| | i realm transfered over a month ago now, and it still thinks im from the previous realm :P |
| 17:41.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | post on another char |
| 17:41.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | then swap back |
| 17:41.32 | |Shadow| | can't do that either |
| 17:41.37 | |Shadow| | when i go to my character select page |
| 17:41.39 | kergoth | Mr_Rabies2, lol, i love the expression on its face at that link |
| 17:41.40 | |Shadow| | it says... |
| 17:41.44 | |Shadow| | There is no available character. |
| 17:41.44 | |Shadow| | [Return to Main] |
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| 17:42.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | just like everything is perfect in that one |
| 17:42.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | whatyouseewhenyoudie |
| 17:42.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | catonakeyboardinspace |
| 17:42.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | and sure enough, a cat, on a keyboard in space |
| 17:42.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | and the music |
| 17:42.46 | Cairenn|afk | lol |
| 17:43.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh and the tags |
| 17:43.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | "Earths final protection" |
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| 17:48.39 | |Shadow| | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_kK3bVpDpc lololololol gnome power |
| 17:49.09 | TheKarn | End, thanks, its all working now :) no errors at all |
| 17:49.15 | End | np |
| 17:51.01 | TheKarn | http://karn.pastey.net/4135 (if you're interested) |
| 17:51.48 | End | I wish there was a :IsProtected() or something |
| 17:51.58 | End | or maybe there is, I should check, heh |
| 17:52.18 | JoshBork2 | there is a issecure() call |
| 17:52.22 | TheKarn | hmm yeah that'll clean it up a bit |
| 17:52.58 | End | issecure() wouldn't help |
| 17:53.19 | TheKarn | frame:IsProtected() works fine |
| 17:53.32 | TheKarn | returns 1 if the frame is protected |
| 17:53.34 | TheKarn | nil otherwise |
| 17:53.36 | TheKarn | afaik |
| 17:53.38 | End | oh, well then |
| 17:53.45 | End | there you go |
| 17:53.51 | TheKarn | /dump SpellBookFrame:IsProtected() |
| 17:54.32 | Teomyr | how do i map the ItemDisplayID from the WDB file to a texture name? |
| 17:54.47 | TheKarn | http://karn.pastey.net/4136 better now end? |
| 17:54.57 | End | yes :) |
| 17:55.01 | TheKarn | with parenthesis ofc |
| 17:55.01 | End | er |
| 17:55.02 | End | no |
| 17:55.04 | End | yes |
| 17:55.06 | TheKarn | :) |
| 17:55.08 | Teomyr | like, the wdb file contains entries like 472, but i'd need the full name like INV_Misc_Scroll_19.tga or something |
| 17:55.18 | End | I just noticed tha ttoo |
| 17:55.30 | End | but yeah, if you don't forget the () you should be fine |
| 17:58.32 | TheKarn | and it does work fine :) |
| 17:59.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | okay my chair just made the song worgs make when they aggro |
| 17:59.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | sound* |
| 17:59.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | i looked around expecting like 50 worgs to be chomping me down then noticed wow wasn't running |
| 17:59.45 | Cairenn|afk | Droolio: transferred |
| 17:59.52 | MentalPower|PC | Teomyr: http://www.sourcepeek.com/wiki/Category:World_of_Warcraft_WDB_Files |
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| 18:01.11 | End | ok, I've added a small reference to :IsProtected to wowwiki |
| 18:01.22 | End | oddly enough, you can call :IsProtected() on textures |
| 18:01.33 | Teomyr | MentalPower|PC: aah, nice, thank you! |
| 18:01.38 | End | actually, that makes sense I guess |
| 18:01.42 | Teomyr | MentalPower|PC: i totally forgot about the dbc files |
| 18:01.48 | MentalPower|PC | Teomyr: specifically http://www.sourcepeek.com/wiki/SpellIcon.dbc |
| 18:02.09 | MentalPower|PC | :) |
| 18:02.50 | Teomyr | never seen that site before oO |
| 18:04.44 | Droolio | Cairenn: thanks :) |
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| 18:07.09 | Cairenn|afk | Droolio: welcome :) |
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| 18:25.40 | |Shadow| | anyone know a addon that will simply filter out when someone types something more than once? |
| 18:25.57 | |Shadow| | like if someone types WTB [Item] twice, i'll only see the first time they type it |
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| 18:49.10 | Tierrie|Work | not that i know of |
| 18:50.01 | |Shadow| | aww :( |
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| 18:52.57 | Tierrie|Work | there's like infinite amounts of mods maybe Cairennw ill know |
| 18:53.14 | |Shadow| | ok :P |
| 18:53.20 | |Shadow| | would be cool if there was something like that |
| 18:53.27 | |Shadow| | just filters out all emote spam, trade channel spam etc |
| 18:54.06 | Kirkburn | Yeargh, looking at Dell PCs for my parents - one option: "512MB USB Memory Key [add £70.50 or £2/month-1]" |
| 18:54.19 | Kirkburn | I got a 1 gig key for £17 :/ |
| 18:54.51 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 18:54.53 | nevcairiel | thats Dell |
| 18:55.16 | |Shadow| | Kirkburn don't buy a dell |
| 18:55.18 | |Shadow| | please, don't. |
| 18:55.51 | |Shadow| | i have had 2 Dell laptops which where bought for me |
| 18:56.26 | |Shadow| | noes, i hate you |
| 18:56.53 | Kirkburn | Hey, it's great |
| 18:56.53 | |Shadow| | both of the dells i had, the screens fell off after 1 and a half years of use |
| 18:56.54 | Kirkburn | Who do you recommend though? |
| 18:56.54 | |Shadow| | one of them, we bought a new shassis, and gave it to my dad |
| 18:56.56 | |Shadow| | screens allready loose on that |
| 18:57.06 | |Shadow| | before dell, i had a IBM Thinkpad for 6 years. never had 1 problem with it. |
| 18:57.16 | Gnarfoz | thinkpads own. |
| 18:57.20 | |Shadow| | Well IBM Thinkpads are obviously great, Asus are nice too |
| 18:57.30 | Gnarfoz | sadly, they are not IBM Thinkpads anymore :< |
| 18:57.52 | Iriel | I'm happy with the build quality of my Lenovo ThinkPad |
| 18:58.22 | Iriel | but it's one of the first that transitioned, so who knows if that will last |
| 18:58.30 | |Shadow| | i use it as a desktop now |
| 18:58.36 | Iriel | You DO need to buy 'business quality' thinkpads though, in my opinion. |
| 18:58.36 | |Shadow| | i have to have a peice of string to hold the screen up |
| 18:58.56 | Iriel | Somewhere I have an old dell laptop with duct tape to hold the battery in |
| 18:59.05 | |Shadow| | heh |
| 18:59.08 | Iriel | I'm not overwhelmed (or even just whelmed) with their robustness |
| 18:59.13 | |Shadow| | Iriel, call your local bomb disposal |
| 18:59.16 | |Shadow| | it might expode. |
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| 18:59.52 | |Shadow| | Iriel http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=32550 |
| 18:59.53 | |Shadow| | :D |
| 19:00.49 | Iriel | Shadow - It's not one of the exploding models, thankfully |
| 19:00.57 | Iriel | It's also not got any charge in it |
| 19:01.04 | Malivil | That's why they are called Notebooks now, instead of Laptops |
| 19:01.07 | |Shadow| | lol |
| 19:01.19 | Malivil | No, seriously |
| 19:01.32 | Malivil | They aren't for use on your lap because they get too hot, so they renamed them |
| 19:01.54 | Iriel | I always assumed that was a branding/marketing change, to imply light weight and portability |
| 19:01.56 | |Shadow| | yea i know :| |
| 19:01.56 | Gnarfoz | they've been called notebooks for far longer |
| 19:02.08 | |Shadow| | Dell laptop power! :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_09HOkIEGXs |
| 19:02.16 | |Shadow| | tis one of the 2 videos on youtube in my favorites lol |
| 19:02.18 | Malivil | Yes, old "Notebooks" were smaller laptops |
| 19:02.26 | Malivil | but now all "laptops" are generally called notebooks |
| 19:02.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | that guy is all kinds of irish |
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| 19:04.15 | Gnarfoz | 0. |
| 19:04.32 | Gnarfoz | that was my mobile falling down onto my keboard. xD |
| 19:06.08 | cogwheel | Iriel: the 2.0 changes concise list thread still lists "name" as a valid argument to the buff APIs |
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| 19:07.07 | Iriel | cogwheel: Is it not? (I haven't played with buffs much since 2.0) |
| 19:07.50 | cogwheel | Nope... cladhaire mentioned that slouken changed his mind because all the C code was doing was iterating through all the buffs... A check for the presence of two buffs was more expensive than iterating yourself. |
| 19:07.56 | Gnarfoz | arghl. I need a X-Chat plugin to prevent accidentally closing x-chat through the close button in the title bar |
| 19:10.08 | zenzelezz | O_o |
| 19:10.11 | Iriel | So you want a plugin to stop the close button from closing? |
| 19:10.18 | zenzelezz | why are you pressing the close buttons if you don't want to close it? |
| 19:11.13 | Gnarfoz | no, just a confirmation like firefox gives me when I try to close it with multiple tabs still open |
| 19:11.24 | Gnarfoz | and I'm of course pressing it it accidentally |
| 19:11.46 | cogwheel | Gnarfoz: use chatzilla :) |
| 19:11.53 | Gnarfoz | like... closing another two windows and accidentally clicking three times |
| 19:12.34 | Gnarfoz | I'd rather use this GPL violation of a chat client ;) |
| 19:14.19 | zenzelezz | GPL violation? |
| 19:14.47 | cogwheel | meh... GPL is overrated.... |
| 19:14.48 | Gnarfoz | xchat/w32 |
| 19:15.07 | zenzelezz | how does the W32 version violate the GPL? |
| 19:15.16 | Gnarfoz | drama and stuff, the author charges for the win32 version and does not provide the source code to it |
| 19:15.48 | Gnarfoz | and the discussion was around how come he can claim to do that when parts of the code are not his own but from other people |
| 19:15.49 | zenzelezz | how do all the others compile it for Windows without the source? |
| 19:16.05 | Gnarfoz | for the version he charges for, he does not |
| 19:16.33 | Gnarfoz | it's obviously not the same version, because the free code does not include the shareware mechanisms |
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| 19:16.44 | Gnarfoz | whatever, I don't care, I use a third-party compile :D |
| 19:16.54 | zenzelezz | me too (when I'm on Windows) |
| 19:17.01 | zenzelezz | never looked at the code though =) |
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| 19:17.16 | Gnarfoz | only read it on the forums the day he changed that |
| 19:17.30 | abug | stupid quesiton, is lava damage considered fire? |
| 19:17.38 | End | yes |
| 19:17.50 | abug | fire absorbtion works? |
| 19:17.53 | End | yes |
| 19:18.03 | abug | good stuff, thanks |
| 19:18.19 | abug | oh yeah, makes sense now |
| 19:18.19 | End | I know from personal expierance :P |
| 19:18.27 | abug | fire pots on rag? |
| 19:18.38 | End | actually that too |
| 19:18.39 | zenzelezz | lava should do frost damage! |
| 19:18.44 | Fisker- | yes |
| 19:18.47 | Fisker- | do get some fire pots |
| 19:19.10 | Fisker- | buff your ranged damage a lot since they have no aggro |
| 19:19.15 | End | the instance I remember was jumping in the lava in BRD and a pot saving my life, but I've used quite a few on rag too |
| 19:19.28 | zenzelezz | a potion for sons spawn can be a good idea |
| 19:19.38 | zenzelezz | depending slightly on your class |
| 19:19.46 | Fisker- | you have one ready then |
| 19:19.51 | End | I've gone rag fights without my pot going away |
| 19:19.57 | Fisker- | it's really just a matter of leaning |
| 19:19.59 | Fisker- | learning |
| 19:20.04 | Tierrie|Work | what happens if your SavedVariables contains a reference to a function? |
| 19:20.20 | Tierrie|Work | or a reference to a frame, how is that stored in SavedVariables? |
| 19:20.28 | abug | I've been wondering that too |
| 19:20.30 | Iriel | functions turn into comments |
| 19:20.38 | Iriel | frames are tables, the userdata turns into a nil with a comment |
| 19:21.03 | End | of course, there's the whole table or function as table key too |
| 19:21.12 | End | but I think it just puts a comment there too |
| 19:21.15 | Iriel | they're skipped with a comment |
| 19:21.31 | Iriel | We (slouken and the community) have been refining that for a bit |
| 19:21.52 | Iriel | I think the 2.0.2 version will be doing everything 'right' |
| 19:22.05 | End | I notice it no longer does [1] = "blah |
| 19:22.09 | Iriel | (the current 2.0 one has the lua 5.1 array initialization issue) |
| 19:22.12 | Tierrie|Work | i suppose frames are just metatables? |
| 19:22.18 | End | it does "blah", -- [1] |
| 19:22.29 | Iriel | They're a combination of metatables and the magic [0] entry |
| 19:22.43 | Tierrie|Work | again with the magic zero indice |
| 19:22.44 | End | [0] being userdata |
| 19:22.44 | Iriel | End: Yes, that's because of a change in the language's parsing of table initializers |
| 19:23.16 | Iriel | In 2.0 frame's are a lot less mysterious too, since they use normal __index tables instead of the shared metaindex function |
| 19:23.18 | End | was it not interpreting it as the array portion or something and putting it in the hash instead? |
| 19:23.52 | Iriel | End: Pretty much, lua 5.1 analyzes the initialization and pre-allocates the hash |
| 19:24.05 | Iriel | End: So if you initialize it as a hash entry, it allocates a hash entry |
| 19:24.17 | Iriel | End: Likewise if you initialize an array entry, it allocates an array entry |
| 19:24.38 | Tierrie|Work | so i suppose CreateFrame() is just magic for setmetattable( mytable, { __index = magicwowframe }) |
| 19:24.47 | End | Tierrie|Work: you need userdata too |
| 19:25.07 | End | there's more than just setting the metatable under the hood |
| 19:25.18 | Iriel | That's the easy part, the real meat of CreateFrame is the C++ code that instantiates a frame object in the UI system |
| 19:25.29 | Tierrie|Work | oh ok |
| 19:25.31 | Iriel | we only see a tiny projection into lua land of the far more complex C++ implementations |
| 19:25.40 | Tierrie|Work | i find it easier to think of frames as objects |
| 19:26.04 | Iriel | they're lua objects, in the OO lua sense, for the most part |
| 19:26.26 | Iriel | and since 2.0 you can write object-style script handlers |
| 19:26.42 | Iriel | Which reminds me I need a new 'use self not this' signature |
| 19:27.27 | abug | I feel like being rebellious and using this |
| 19:27.55 | Iriel | It's your performance and that of your users that suffers, your choice 8-) |
| 19:28.17 | Tierrie|Work | screw the users |
| 19:28.22 | Tierrie|Work | when was the last time they paid me |
| 19:28.27 | End | FrameXML seems to use this nearly everwhere still |
| 19:28.43 | Iriel | End: That's the only reason 'this' is still there 8-) |
| 19:29.13 | Tierrie|Work | hey Iriel did they make you sign an NDA and let you see the source? |
| 19:29.56 | Iriel | No, but I do a lot of research and ask a lot of clarifying questions |
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| 19:43.15 | Dezzimal | yay more shit breaking each time I WoWace update |
| 19:43.17 | cogwheel | anyone know of any free svn hosting sites that don't require your project to be open source? |
| 19:44.24 | Dezzimal | this is getting annoying :( |
| 19:44.39 | SB1-Laptop | cogwheel, what are you looking for? |
| 19:45.35 | cogwheel | Just some place to stick my addons so I can access them from multiple locations... I'm currently using a local svn repository for them |
| 19:45.55 | Iriel | Can't you host it from home somehow? |
| 19:46.16 | SB1-Laptop | If you checked out all of your addons, about how much disk space would it take up? |
| 19:46.34 | Bouvi | I am back did everyone miss me.... |
| 19:46.46 | Bouvi | ~Bouvi who |
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| 19:47.23 | SB1-Laptop | cogwheel, if 1) the SVN wouldn't be public and 2) you're not moving hundreds of MB over it, I could run it for you |
| 19:47.33 | SB1-Laptop | Have a T1 line attached to a 1.6TB RAID5 array |
| 19:48.00 | End | aww, my RAID5 array is only ~1.1TB |
| 19:48.08 | SB1-Laptop | (Already running my own SVN off of it) |
| 19:49.42 | zenzelezz | my ATA100 is 250GB zomg |
| 19:50.14 | Iriel | My little 250GB array feels inadequate |
| 19:50.16 | zenzelezz | I feel your envy! |
| 19:50.24 | SB1-Laptop | mmm, RAID5 ;) |
| 19:50.26 | zenzelezz | my array is only one drive |
| 19:50.32 | End | hehe Iriel |
| 19:50.34 | cogwheel | sry... was on phone.... too lazy to set one up at home :P I'm pretty sure my addons amount to a meg at most... |
| 19:50.46 | cogwheel | s/a meg/a couple megs/ |
| 19:51.06 | SB1-Laptop | I don't have it running over HTTPS is the thing |
| 19:51.08 | Iriel | Hm, I dont need more capacity at present tho: /dev/md1 239988224 24344012 215644212 11% /archive/extraid |
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| 19:51.19 | End | the svn repository for my addons is about 8.5 meg |
| 19:53.04 | SB1-Laptop | cogwheel, will that work? a few MB tops is perfectly fine, as long as you don't update fifteen machines at once :P |
| 19:53.09 | Iriel | I keep my SVN repositories on a mirrored drive pair instead of the Raid 5 |
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| 19:53.21 | SB1-Laptop | T1 lines are only good for so much these days |
| 19:54.27 | cogwheel | lol... exported, my addons amount to 676KB |
| 19:54.48 | SB1-Laptop | Yeah, that'd be fine ;) |
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| 19:56.16 | Tierrie|Work | T1's still good for upstream |
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| 19:57.32 | End | yeah |
| 19:57.41 | SB1-Laptop | Kind of. |
| 19:57.51 | Tierrie|Work | sex |
| 19:57.55 | SB1-Laptop | I know residential DSL lines that oustrip them |
| 19:58.00 | Tierrie|Work | sorry, i mean, what were we talking about |
| 19:58.16 | End | DSL lines are too dependent on where you live |
| 19:58.18 | Iriel | What's the actual data rate on a T1? |
| 19:58.24 | SB1-Laptop | 1.5433 mbit |
| 19:58.27 | SB1-Laptop | sync |
| 19:59.35 | Iriel | That's about double the maximum upstream capability of my (expensive) DSL, but only 1/4 of my downstream. |
| 19:59.54 | SB1-Laptop | Can be divided up into 24 channels... I do that for the point to point T1s I manage, giving me a general purpose link and a low-bandwidth "admin" link |
| 20:00.01 | SB1-Laptop | How expensive is your DSL? |
| 20:00.10 | Tierrie|Work | residential lines are fantastic for downstream |
| 20:00.25 | Iriel | About $90/month |
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| 20:00.48 | SB1-Laptop | A T1 here (and we receive MASSIVE discounts) are roughly $300 monthly. |
| 20:00.52 | Iriel | (including an 8 static IP range, though only 5 of those are "available") |
| 20:01.03 | SB1-Laptop | s/are/would be/ |
| 20:01.14 | Tierrie|Work | that's borderline retarded pricing |
| 20:01.21 | Tierrie|Work | why wouldn't you get virtual colo hosting instead |
| 20:01.24 | SB1-Laptop | Never mind the $1500 we spent on the hardware to run them |
| 20:01.31 | SB1-Laptop | I'm at a business... ;) |
| 20:01.38 | SB1-Laptop | Businesses need internet.. ;) |
| 20:01.40 | Tierrie|Work | so the hardware is on site? |
| 20:01.43 | SB1-Laptop | Yeah |
| 20:01.47 | Tierrie|Work | oh gnoz someone blew up my home computer |
| 20:01.47 | SB1-Laptop | All on site, I manage it |
| 20:01.54 | End | the T1 I have access to is at work too :P |
| 20:01.55 | Iriel | I'm on my 3rd DSL router due to bad wiring in the house, so i'm catching up on equipment costs 8-( |
| 20:02.00 | End | although we have a comcast line too |
| 20:02.07 | SB1-Laptop | I have comcast at my house |
| 20:02.08 | End | (er, cable) |
| 20:02.13 | SB1-Laptop | 384kbit downstream SUCKS. |
| 20:02.16 | End | we get 8mbit down on that though |
| 20:02.26 | End | 768kbit up I think |
| 20:02.29 | SB1-Laptop | But I've also pulled 1MB download for 30m sustained speeds |
| 20:02.47 | Iriel | I'd like to get a cable provider as backup but comcast haven't wired me yet. |
| 20:03.35 | Iriel | Though given the comcast contractor trucks in the street a couple of months ago, they may have caught up now |
| 20:06.01 | Tierrie|Work | unless you work at mission critical online software, i don't think having a backup line is useful unless you plan on multiplexing the bandwidth somehow |
| 20:06.17 | Tierrie|Work | and by somehow i mean snippity snap |
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| 20:06.29 | End | well, at work, the T1 line is also the phone line actually |
| 20:07.12 | SB1-Laptop | mmm, channelized T1 lines |
| 20:07.12 | Tierrie|Work | VoIP? |
| 20:07.12 | Tierrie|Work | http://www.treehugger.com/files/2006/10/th_solves_globa_1.php <-- woot everyone respec plz |
| 20:07.12 | SB1-Laptop | No |
| 20:07.12 | End | no, just pretty normal phone |
| 20:07.17 | SB1-Laptop | T1s are divided into channels, 24 of them |
| 20:07.19 | End | and the comcast line -was- really flakey |
| 20:07.20 | Iriel | tierrie| I've had my phone company accidently disconnect my DSL before, and it took them over a week to fix it |
| 20:07.30 | End | sometimes it'd go wet and go down |
| 20:07.30 | SB1-Laptop | You can run 24 seperate POTS lines, or 24 data lines bound together, or some mix of both |
| 20:07.41 | Tierrie|Work | hahahaaa End |
| 20:07.45 | Tierrie|Work | wet = line dead |
| 20:08.02 | Tierrie|Work | electricity + water = intarnet down |
| 20:08.19 | Iriel | That's my phone line issue, the lines under the house get wet in the winter and take out my DSL (and destroy my router).. The line's currently running across the floor inside. |
| 20:08.21 | End | this is outside of the building :P |
| 20:08.41 | End | we actually just moved locations |
| 20:08.47 | End | so it's no longer a problem :) |
| 20:09.30 | cogwheel | here at work we have half a T1 worth of POTS lines and a full T1 of data. (we actually have 2 full T1s that are in the process of being bonded) |
| 20:09.30 | End | but anyways, we discovered how useful having a backup line is |
| 20:09.57 | Tierrie|Work | well what can you do :P I have a 3g pda phone that i can use as a theoritical modem with 1.5 mbps downstream |
| 20:10.03 | Tierrie|Work | best i've managed is like 200-300kbps |
| 20:10.14 | SB1-Laptop | That's all that 1.5mbps is. |
| 20:10.15 | Tierrie|Work | and cancer |
| 20:10.30 | SB1-Laptop | ~google 1.5 megabits in kilobytes |
| 20:10.43 | Iriel | Work has quite a bit more bandwidth than I do (eCommerce FTW) |
| 20:10.46 | SB1-Laptop | Bah, purl lacks that support |
| 20:11.24 | SB1-Laptop | All that 1.5mbit will get you is 192kB/sec. |
| 20:11.25 | amro | 192kbytes |
| 20:11.32 | SB1-Laptop | Beat you ;) |
| 20:11.34 | amro | damn |
| 20:11.54 | cogwheel | My cable modem service is 6mbps/768k |
| 20:12.14 | zenzelezz | my ADSL is 6000/600 :-| |
| 20:12.22 | amro | my adsl is 512/256k |
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| 20:12.32 | amro | and with regular downtime |
| 20:12.44 | zenzelezz | the best part about it is that the price is still the same as when we signed up... back then it as 1024/256 |
| 20:13.51 | Bouvi | My work T1 sucks. We got a company who moved out of area and will not admit that 5k a second download is bad. At home I have 8mbps/1024k I think or 768k |
| 20:14.05 | amro | i had 128/64 when i signed up, now its even cheaper though |
| 20:14.32 | Tierrie|Work | i am saddened my the fact that i didn't think about what SB1 said sooner |
| 20:14.41 | SB1-Laptop | ? |
| 20:14.58 | Iriel | Ah.. remember the days when a 33.6 modem was SMOKIN'!? |
| 20:15.04 | SB1-Laptop | Oh, the mbit <--> megabyte conversion? |
| 20:15.13 | Gnarfoz | mebibyte ftw |
| 20:15.18 | foxlit | 8 : 1 |
| 20:15.20 | End | a byte is 8 bits :P |
| 20:15.21 | Iriel | But tierrie you said kbps not KBps |
| 20:15.36 | Gnarfoz | that's not how you differentiate those two, anyway |
| 20:15.59 | Gnarfoz | the first is kbit/s, the latter KiB/s |
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| 20:16.18 | Iriel | I'm going to take issue with that |
| 20:16.23 | Gnarfoz | you may |
| 20:16.25 | Iriel | The K/Ki bit |
| 20:16.34 | Iriel | I do prefer the explicit 'bit' |
| 20:16.41 | Iriel | but K/Ki is powers of 10 versus powers of 2 |
| 20:16.51 | amro | yeah |
| 20:16.52 | SB1-Laptop | Yeah, STUPID MARKETING PEOPLE. |
| 20:16.55 | Gnarfoz | yea |
| 20:16.56 | amro | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KiB |
| 20:16.59 | cogwheel | WTF? I log into a RP server and I see Mulahh, Hottpocket, Sneekeyjohn, Fuukuumuup... |
| 20:17.00 | amro | nice table at the right |
| 20:17.06 | SB1-Laptop | THANKS FOR SCREWING aLL OF THE COMPETENT PEOPLE OVER. |
| 20:17.13 | amro | cogwheel: there are no RP servers |
| 20:17.20 | amro | other than tram cybering, no RP in wow |
| 20:17.26 | Gnarfoz | tram o_O |
| 20:17.32 | Gnarfoz | goldshire! |
| 20:17.38 | Bouvi | I am a marketing person :( *hides under a table* |
| 20:17.53 | zenzelezz | I remember laughing out loud, for real, when I saw Hasselhoof (the tauren druid) on an RP server |
| 20:18.00 | SB1-Laptop | Bouvi, then YOU'RE to blame! |
| 20:18.09 | End | ~blame Bouvi |
| 20:18.11 | purl | ACTION blames Bouvi (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
| 20:18.11 | Bouvi | Sorry of my life |
| 20:18.25 | Bouvi | WHAT how can Canada get ANY credit!!!! |
| 20:18.30 | End | lol |
| 20:18.30 | Gnarfoz | Iriel: what were you trying to say with <@Iriel> But tierrie you said kbps not KBps <-- if not "you said bit instead of byte"? (maybe I'm not getting something ^^) |
| 20:18.39 | Tierrie|Work | (Bouvi)^(1/2)*evil |
| 20:18.48 | SB1-Laptop | Actually the thing that pisses me off most about KiB and KB is how hard drive people are pretty much THE reason we have that differentiation. |
| 20:18.52 | cogwheel | ~emulate cogwheel |
| 20:18.53 | purl | ACTION shakes its fist at the forums |
| 20:19.02 | Bouvi | http://www.bouvi.com I mean I AM Blackheart Bouvi |
| 20:19.03 | Iriel | tierrie said that the phone promised 1.5 Mbps but that only 200-300 kbps was delivered. |
| 20:19.14 | SB1-Laptop | #1 question people get after I install a new hard drive: "But I bought an 80GB drive! Why doesn't windows show that?" |
| 20:19.15 | Gnarfoz | ah |
| 20:19.19 | Gnarfoz | I see :) |
| 20:19.31 | Iriel | SB1 then said 'but that's all 1.5 M is' but that assumed tierrie was talking bytes not bits |
| 20:19.44 | Tierrie|Work | no i said the phone was capable of 1.5mbps |
| 20:19.44 | Iriel | which IS possible, but it was by no means what got SAID. |
| 20:19.46 | Gnarfoz | yea I see where it went, now |
| 20:19.48 | Tierrie|Work | nothing was promised :( |
| 20:19.59 | Tierrie|Work | seeing how i'm not supposed to be using this phone as a modem |
| 20:20.53 | Iriel | So.. do I work, or do I fix my samba install |
| 20:20.55 | Iriel | Hm. |
| 20:21.01 | Tierrie|Work | samba! |
| 20:21.07 | zenzelezz | fixing a samba install is work :-| |
| 20:21.08 | Tierrie|Work | and then refactor your work definition to include it |
| 20:21.16 | Iriel | The last upgrade screwed me 8-( |
| 20:21.56 | Gnarfoz | do I migrate my two current servers onto the new one, or do I level |
| 20:22.14 | Bouvi | OK say I have a Fubar Addon (which I do) how do I save the icon disabled state. Say if someone removes the icon when they zone it keeps coming back. |
| 20:22.16 | Gnarfoz | or do I get something to eat, then to neither and watch a movie? xD |
| 20:22.44 | amro | whatever you do, get something to eat |
| 20:22.50 | amro | or drink |
| 20:23.03 | Iriel | Completely off topic from wow but does anybody here have Samba 3.0.23 installed with ldap as the authentication backend |
| 20:23.37 | SB1-Laptop | Iriel, I've attempted, but failed horribly ;) |
| 20:23.39 | Gnarfoz | that sounds like something I'd like to have, but am far too lazy to set up ;x |
| 20:23.40 | cogwheel | ~emulate me |
| 20:23.42 | purl | Emulate you? I dont think I can dumb myself down that much! |
| 20:23.49 | End | I have an attempt at samba 3.0.something with ldap for auth |
| 20:23.55 | End | but it doesn't work :( |
| 20:24.00 | Bouvi | ~evil me |
| 20:24.02 | Iriel | I had a setup that worked PERFECTLY before 3.0 |
| 20:24.15 | Iriel | and now it just freaks out and dies on startup |
| 20:24.29 | SB1-Laptop | tail /var/log/samba/* ! |
| 20:24.31 | End | no error messages? |
| 20:24.40 | zenzelezz | it's usually I that freak out when I try to set up samba :-x |
| 20:24.54 | Iriel | Oh, it gives me error messages, I know what it's whining about, just not how to fix it without caving in to its demands |
| 20:25.04 | Iriel | I dont want to set up a guest account, and it refuses to start without one |
| 20:25.20 | End | odd |
| 20:26.03 | amro | set one up and disable it? |
| 20:27.02 | Iriel | Well, I tried setting it to use 'nobody' but it doesn't like that either |
| 20:27.15 | Iriel | My current best guess is it's something to do with the data in ldap from the old installation |
| 20:28.40 | Iriel | and my knowledge of ldap is minimal |
| 20:28.49 | Iriel | which I really should do something about |
| 20:29.11 | SB1-Laptop | Yeah, same |
| 20:30.01 | Gnarfoz | what _are_ you using it for, anyway? |
| 20:30.09 | Gnarfoz | just to not having to use windows based auth? |
| 20:30.18 | Iriel | logins across my various linux machines |
| 20:30.43 | Iriel | and then authentication (with samba) for shares for my windows machines to reach the linux files |
| 20:31.09 | Iriel | the first part works mostly perfectly |
| 20:31.18 | Iriel | the samba bit, on the other hand, stinks |
| 20:31.21 | Iriel | right now |
| 20:31.23 | Iriel | until I fix it |
| 20:31.30 | Iriel | then it'll be brilliant, i'm sure, just like it was before |
| 20:31.43 | Iriel | (It makes doing authentication for IMAP, SMTP, HTTPS, etc a doddle) |
| 20:32.20 | SB1-Laptop | yup |
| 20:32.28 | SB1-Laptop | I've just never even understood enough of it to set it up |
| 20:32.38 | SB1-Laptop | Never been able to set it up with all of the data I want :P |
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| 20:38.08 | Iriel | AHA! |
| 20:38.44 | End | figured it out? |
| 20:39.03 | Iriel | I think I may have |
| 20:39.09 | End | cool |
| 20:39.59 | JoshBork1 | do tell! |
| 20:41.24 | Iriel | It was double-appending the search root (my domain's dn bits) to the LDAP queries and not finding any users |
| 20:42.09 | Iriel | I used to have "ldap suffix=dc=blah,dc=blahblah,dc=com" and "ldap group suffix=ou=Group,dc=blah,dc=blahblah,dc=com" |
| 20:42.25 | Iriel | I needed to make the group line simply "ldap group suffix=ou=Group" |
| 20:42.35 | Iriel | and it appends the normal suffix to that |
| 20:42.44 | Iriel | Okay, so progess! It still doesn't work right. |
| 20:43.01 | pastamancer | Iriel: can't you just set the base for the ldap query? |
| 20:43.20 | Iriel | pastamancer: yes, that was the problem, samba changed how it configured that |
| 20:43.49 | pastamancer | Iriel: ah, I just have the base configured in ldap.conf |
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| 20:44.05 | sysrage | is there a mage ruby macro that actually works right? uses highest to lowest and summons what's needed? |
| 20:44.25 | pastamancer | my samba belongs to a NT domain owned by an xserver running opendirectory though |
| 20:44.32 | sysrage | tried a few but they seem to summon lowest even if you need highest |
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| 20:45.00 | sysrage | xserver as in IBM? i'm sorry :( |
| 20:45.07 | pastamancer | err, xserve |
| 20:45.10 | pastamancer | as in apple |
| 20:45.21 | sysrage | i'm still sorry :P |
| 20:45.36 | pastamancer | heh |
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| 20:46.34 | pastamancer | it's a mac shop and workgroup manager beats having to write my own ldap/kerberos management frontend |
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| 20:56.28 | Kirkburn | Lol, you ALL will appreciate this: http://www.myextralife.com/archive.php?date=2006-12-29 |
| 20:56.58 | sysrage | heh |
| 20:57.01 | Neuro_Medivh | that's as bad as my Heisenberg joke |
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| 21:00.55 | Kirkburn | Which is ... |
| 21:02.00 | Antiarc | Heisenberg gets pulled over for speeding. Cop says "Do you know how fast you were going?" and Heisenberg replies "No, but I know exactly where I am." |
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| 21:10.19 | bleetah | "That's not funny at all!"* |
| 21:10.37 | bleetah | (an attempt to prompt Kirkburn into various responses from Kenny Everett) |
| 21:10.55 | Kirkburn | Who he? |
| 21:10.59 | bleetah | omg |
| 21:11.04 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 21:11.10 | Kirkburn | I'm just messing with you :P |
| 21:11.17 | bleetah | mega-star of pirate radio in the 70's |
| 21:11.26 | bleetah | had a comedy show in the 80's and 90's, died |
| 21:11.40 | Kirkburn | Madman, complete madman :P |
| 21:11.47 | bleetah | inventor of Captain Kremmer |
| 21:11.54 | zenzelezz | dying is such a bad move for your career |
| 21:11.56 | bleetah | d'oh |
| 21:12.02 | bleetah | *Kremmen |
| 21:12.47 | sysrage | wtb a mana gem macro that works half-decently |
| 21:13.00 | bleetah | without captain kremmen, there would've been no dangermouse... and for that alone I'm eternally grateful |
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| 21:22.25 | lectrd | I have a better Heisenberg joke |
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| 21:23.41 | lectrd | Why was Heisenberg |
| 21:23.43 | lectrd | err |
| 21:24.07 | lectrd | Why was Heisenberg's wife never satisfied? When he has the position he didn't have the momentum and when he had the time he just didn't have the energy. |
| 21:24.32 | Bouvi | It was the principle of the issue. |
| 21:34.49 | Neuro_Medivh | not too bad |
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| 21:44.48 | Cide | does anyone here play a hunter and feel like helping out for amoment? |
| 21:46.08 | Kaso | i can offer my level 47 hunter, if that is suffient |
| 21:46.24 | Cide | maybe.. how are you specced? |
| 21:46.33 | Kaso | BM |
| 21:46.46 | Cide | nevermind then, thanks anyways. I need a MM hunter |
| 21:46.55 | |Shadow| | Kaso = bot spec'd :P |
| 21:47.03 | |Shadow| | uhh, i might be able to get one |
| 21:47.13 | Kaso | Kaso is soloing Herod at level 45 Specced! |
| 21:47.21 | Cide | I need someone who knows their class, so to speak |
| 21:47.49 | Cide | and happens to have combat experience |
| 21:47.54 | bleetah | I'm reasonably well versed, Cide, wouldn't call myself an expery |
| 21:47.59 | bleetah | *expert |
| 21:48.09 | bleetah | brb |
| 21:51.52 | bleetah | back |
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| 21:54.41 | bleetah | cide: ping |
| 21:54.58 | Cide | bleetah: do you have CE (Combat Experience)? |
| 21:56.07 | bleetah | oh, you mean a mod hehe, thought you meant 'someone who's levelled' haha... no, but I can grab it |
| 21:56.41 | Cide | no, the talent :) |
| 21:57.13 | bleetah | argh, lol... lemme check (I've got a few hunters - ain't played them much recently, my mind's a bit blank) |
| 21:58.27 | ViRii[K] | So if I have two events registered with my mod, how can I differnciate between the two when one is fired? |
| 21:58.44 | Cide | you get the event as a string |
| 21:59.58 | bleetah | cide: sorry, no I don't |
| 22:00.05 | Cide | alright, thanks anyway |
| 22:00.31 | bleetah | it's that one talent I missed putting in when building them up in 2.x :/ |
| 22:00.51 | bleetah | ie, only after spending the points did it occur to me it may be nice to have /cry |
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| 22:07.44 | Tain | Oh noes! Canadia is breaking apart and floating away to sea! |
| 22:08.58 | Tierrie|Work | :( |
| 22:09.00 | Tierrie|Work | poor canadians |
| 22:09.21 | Tierrie|Work | if they stopped building fires, they may freeze some solid landmass back |
| 22:09.37 | Kirkburn | Anyone wish to test out my new paypal account? :P |
| 22:09.43 | Tierrie|Work | yes |
| 22:09.44 | Tierrie|Work | send me money |
| 22:09.48 | Tierrie|Work | and i will tell you if it works |
| 22:09.52 | alcaras | you can send me money too |
| 22:09.56 | alcaras | and i'll let you know |
| 22:10.12 | |Shadow| | lol |
| 22:10.28 | Tain | Give me your id and password and I'll test it and let you know. |
| 22:10.31 | bleetah | screw the money, just send me all your account details because my husband died and i'm all alone but he had a great inheritance that I can't get unless you give me your bank details |
| 22:10.43 | Tain | Oh no you too Bleetah! |
| 22:10.43 | Tierrie|Work | really bleetah? |
| 22:10.45 | Tierrie|Work | marry me |
| 22:11.04 | Tierrie|Work | then maybe i can get a hold of that inheritance |
| 22:11.07 | Tierrie|Work | i mean |
| 22:11.10 | Tierrie|Work | your sweet loving |
| 22:11.20 | Tain | Sweet, sweet loving. |
| 22:11.32 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 22:11.38 | Kirkburn | http://www.clearfont.co.uk |
| 22:11.56 | Kirkburn | Just been updating that with links and news and stuff |
| 22:12.03 | Tain | ~emulate Saien |
| 22:12.05 | purl | Slash commands are ameturish. |
| 22:13.27 | bleetah | hmmm |
| 22:13.31 | bleetah | ~emulate Bleeter |
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| 22:13.50 | Industrial | ~emulate Industrial |
| 22:13.51 | purl | and now I'm high o/ |
| 22:13.54 | Dezzimal | you know |
| 22:14.07 | Dezzimal | I love christmas |
| 22:14.13 | Industrial | you know |
| 22:14.14 | Industrial | I dont |
| 22:14.17 | Dezzimal | if only for opening the plastic packages built to stop a bullet |
| 22:14.21 | |Shadow| | lmao few more days and i will have done 50k words on my msn |
| 22:14.27 | |Shadow| | :) |
| 22:15.29 | |Shadow| | omg lol, i just checked my word counter for IRC...its very...sad... |
| 22:15.34 | Tain | I'm glad that Christmas nonsense is over with for another year. |
| 22:16.08 | Tierrie|Work | i love chrismas |
| 22:16.20 | Tierrie|Work | that's because i know the true meaning of christmas |
| 22:16.59 | |Shadow| | has said 296920 words on 23694 lines since 7th of June 06 |
| 22:17.05 | |Shadow| | i think that makes me...very...very sad :( |
| 22:17.13 | Tain | The true meaning of Christmas? |
| 22:17.17 | Tain | You mean pie? |
| 22:17.17 | Tierrie|Work | yes |
| 22:17.24 | Tierrie|Work | 2 days of no work and hedonism |
| 22:18.22 | Tain | That's a different type of pie. |
| 22:19.09 | Tierrie|Work | firefox is crash my compoota |
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| 22:21.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | my firefox is crash! |
| 22:21.59 | cogwheel | I wouldn't be able to tell you guys if my firefox is crash... 'cause i use chatzilla it would be crash too |
| 22:22.06 | Tain | i'm in ur firefox crashing ur pron |
| 22:22.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Tank_Is_Fight |
| 22:22.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | chatzilla is for clownboats |
| 22:23.10 | Tain | Oh no Michael Jordan is getting divorced! |
| 22:23.23 | Tain | Will none of my role models stay together? |
| 22:23.30 | Tierrie|Work | mike tyson got arrested for dui |
| 22:23.56 | Tain | Do you know why Mike Tyson cries during sex? |
| 22:24.06 | Tain | Mace! |
| 22:24.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | Mike Tyson was in rocky 89000 |
| 22:24.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | there was much lulz |
| 22:25.04 | Tierrie|Work | lawl |
| 22:25.52 | Dezzimal | ~emulate Dezzimal |
| 22:25.56 | Tain | My pokemon bring all the nerds to the yard, and they're like you wanna trade cards? Darn right, I wanna trade cards, I'll trade this but not my charizard. |
| 22:26.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | ~emulate Mr_Rabies |
| 22:26.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | :[ |
| 22:26.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | ~emulate Mr_Rabies2 |
| 22:26.18 | purl | BATS! Bats. BaTs? |
| 22:26.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | i still have no clue what that's about |
| 22:27.36 | bleetah | how does one set up an emulation? |
| 22:28.10 | Tierrie|Work | emulation is a verb |
| 22:28.20 | Tierrie|Work | or an adjective |
| 22:28.28 | Tierrie|Work | hm |
| 22:28.39 | cladhaire | Is there anythign in Azshara that drops good greys anymore? |
| 22:28.46 | cogwheel | purl, emulate bleetah is <action>wonders how to make an emulation |
| 22:28.47 | purl | okay, cogwheel |
| 22:28.48 | cladhaire | or where can i go? |
| 22:28.48 | Tierrie|Work | i could be a pronoun too, and its not a verb, emulate is a verb |
| 22:28.49 | cladhaire | for mindless grinding? |
| 22:28.59 | Tierrie|Work | clahaire: furbolgs |
| 22:29.04 | cogwheel | ~emulate bleetah |
| 22:29.06 | purl | ACTION wonders how to make an emulation |
| 22:29.09 | bleetah | ah, <action>, thx cogwheel |
| 22:29.35 | Tierrie|Work | cladhaire: or try the undead in the plaguelands |
| 22:29.44 | cladhaire | bah i hate them |
| 22:29.57 | cladhaire | ooh timbermaw aren't bad, actually |
| 22:29.58 | cladhaire | hrm |
| 22:30.25 | Tain | Grr. Bark. Bark. Grr. |
| 22:30.27 | Cide | don't kill the timbermaws! |
| 22:31.15 | bleetah | ~emulate bleeter |
| 22:31.16 | purl | ACTION Baaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 22:31.36 | cogwheel | that would probably be better as: |
| 22:31.49 | cogwheel | purl, no emulate bleeter is <reply>Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 22:31.50 | purl | okay, cogwheel |
| 22:31.51 | cladhaire | well i meant grinding timbermaw rep =) |
| 22:31.55 | cogwheel | ~emulate bleeter |
| 22:31.57 | purl | Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 22:32.03 | bleetah | fair nuff |
| 22:32.17 | cladhaire | or am i better off going to tyr's hand, or something like that? |
| 22:32.33 | Tierrie|Work | what class are you |
| 22:32.42 | cladhaire | drood |
| 22:32.45 | cladhaire | or hunter |
| 22:32.51 | cladhaire | depending on which one i decide to grind-code |
| 22:32.53 | Tierrie|Work | just farm something that gives rep |
| 22:33.10 | Tain | cladhaire is botting! |
| 22:33.12 | cladhaire | i need teh money |
| 22:33.16 | Tierrie|Work | its usually the most rewarding, furbolgs are great because they drop the usual stuff, greys blues |
| 22:33.17 | cladhaire | no, but i just killed abotter =) |
| 22:33.24 | subbawt | i like tyr's hand |
| 22:33.25 | Tierrie|Work | they also drop winterfall eko which sells for 5g to 10g for 20 |
| 22:33.26 | Tain | That was you? :( |
| 22:33.30 | subbawt | are you on a ppv server? |
| 22:33.31 | subbawt | *pvp |
| 22:33.33 | cladhaire | no |
| 22:33.33 | Tierrie|Work | and they drop firewater for like 5g to 10g per 10 |
| 22:33.35 | cladhaire | sadly |
| 22:33.36 | Tierrie|Work | and they give rep |
| 22:33.55 | Tierrie|Work | so they are excellent for cash |
| 22:33.59 | cladhaire | people buy that shit? |
| 22:34.09 | Tierrie|Work | not so much anymore |
| 22:34.10 | Tain | Yeah |
| 22:34.20 | Tierrie|Work | i could sell ekos for 15g once |
| 22:34.26 | Tierrie|Work | and straight up 12g per 10 firewater |
| 22:34.42 | cladhaire | heh |
| 22:35.00 | cladhaire | maybe i should hit 60 on my hunter |
| 22:35.02 | cladhaire | just for kicks. |
| 22:35.13 | Tain | Hunters are great for money grinding. |
| 22:35.17 | Tierrie|Work | you should |
| 22:35.19 | cladhaire | but money for my druid sounds like a better plan |
| 22:35.23 | Tierrie|Work | that gives you another transmuter |
| 22:35.25 | cladhaire | since i wont be going to my hunter.. ever. |
| 22:35.31 | cladhaire | Tierrie_: I dont have a single transmuter atm |
| 22:35.39 | Tierrie|Work | 0+1 = 1 |
| 22:35.45 | cladhaire | heh |
| 22:35.50 | cladhaire | meh |
| 22:35.58 | bleetah | I've started on Ravenholdt realm, I'm only levelling my hunter for gathering and leatherworking purposes, I have no intentions of actually playing him (well, maybe a little PvP) |
| 22:36.12 | Tierrie|Work | there was an engineer, a biologist and a mathematician who was sitting at a cafe and watching people come and go |
| 22:36.21 | Tierrie|Work | and they saw a man and a woman walk into a building |
| 22:36.32 | Tierrie|Work | and then they came out with a friend |
| 22:36.34 | cladhaire | hilarity ensued, naturally |
| 22:36.55 | Tierrie|Work | the biologist said "oh no they procreated" |
| 22:37.07 | Tierrie|Work | the engineer said "they probably had a friend inside" |
| 22:37.15 | SB1-Laptop | This can only be bad |
| 22:37.29 | Tierrie|Work | and the mathematician said "if their friend goes back in, there will be exactly zero people in the building" |
| 22:37.47 | bleetah | couldn't be worse than the heisnburg statement (I'm loathed to call it a joke :P) |
| 22:38.24 | SB1-Laptop | err |
| 22:38.26 | SB1-Laptop | k |
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| 22:53.12 | cogwheel | you know you're an engineer when you have no life and can prove it mathematically... |
| 22:53.28 | Bouvi | 2-2 = Bouvi |
| 22:53.55 | Tain | 2 + 2 = 5 for very large values of 2 |
| 22:54.03 | nevcairiel | hehe |
| 22:55.23 | Tain | What did the Zero say to the Eight? |
| 22:55.25 | Tain | Nice belt! |
| 22:55.41 | cogwheel | Why was 6 afraid of 7? |
| 22:55.45 | End | 7 8 9 |
| 22:55.48 | End | that's why |
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| 22:56.00 | End | er I mean, 7 ate 9 |
| 22:56.01 | End | ;p |
| 22:56.03 | Teomyr | haha |
| 22:56.10 | cogwheel | NSFW: What's better than 69? |
| 22:56.36 | cogwheel | 77..... you get 8 more... |
| 22:56.42 | Antiarc | Heh. |
| 22:56.50 | Tain | Lots of variations on that one |
| 22:56.58 | Tain | 68 - because you're doing it with the girl next door |
| 22:57.30 | Tain | What do you get if you add two apples and three apples? |
| 22:57.33 | bleetah | 668, the neighbour of the beast |
| 22:57.39 | Tain | A high school math problem! |
| 22:57.42 | Antiarc | I'd say that 96.1828183 is better. You get e10 more. |
| 22:59.51 | Tierrie|Work | you guys are divide my polynomials anytime |
| 23:00.32 | bleetah | that song could make quite a nice wow video |
| 23:00.41 | bleetah | (in shrosh's /quit msg) |
| 23:01.20 | Kirkburn | Hey, like my sexy new logo? =) http://www.clearfont.co.uk/ |
| 23:01.33 | Tierrie|Work | it needs more breasts |
| 23:01.43 | Kirkburn | haha |
| 23:01.51 | bleetah | and bum |
| 23:01.59 | cladhaire | Hrm.. the 2 isn't clear =) |
| 23:02.08 | Kirkburn | I like gaussian blur too much |
| 23:02.45 | End | maybe the 2 will become clearer when he finishes clearfont2 |
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| 23:02.54 | Kirkburn | Yeah, uh, sure, why not |
| 23:03.01 | End | :) |
| 23:03.02 | Tain | hah hah |
| 23:03.02 | Tain | Q: What is the first derivative of a cow? |
| 23:03.02 | bleetah | heh, dynamic blur based on the number of open bug reports |
| 23:03.08 | Tain | A: Prime Rib! |
| 23:03.13 | Kirkburn | I don't like the website anyway, I want to remake it without shitty tables |
| 23:03.17 | Tuller | the two is too blury :) |
| 23:03.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | hrm |
| 23:03.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | is the new invisibility effect in live or only on 2.0.3? |
| 23:03.44 | End | invisibility effect? |
| 23:04.05 | bleetah | for mages? >lvl 60, so only 2.0.3 |
| 23:04.09 | End | yeah, all level 68 mages on live |
| 23:04.21 | Kirkburn | Goddamn hippies |
| 23:04.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | <End> invisibility effect? |
| 23:04.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | the new graphic for it |
| 23:04.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | it works with invis pots too |
| 23:04.32 | Kirkburn | K, I've changed the logo :P |
| 23:04.35 | End | oh |
| 23:04.40 | cladhaire | lol |
| 23:04.57 | Kirkburn | It was a bit ott ;) |
| 23:05.04 | Tierrie|Work | you should go to blur radius 5 |
| 23:05.12 | Tierrie|Work | so people reading it will be like "fuck i need new glasses" |
| 23:05.22 | Kirkburn | hehehe |
| 23:05.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=490761794044773889&q=wow+invisibility |
| 23:05.36 | Tierrie|Work | and then javascript it so that 5 seconds after page load it replaces the image with one with blur radius 1 and a subtext "gotcha!" |
| 23:05.41 | Kirkburn | I made sexy CSS and XHTML images whilst I was at it, see the bottom of the page |
| 23:05.44 | Tierrie|Work | "download my plugin anyway" |
| 23:05.55 | bleetah | Kirkburn: lol Chigwell is the local suburb here where all the meatheads live |
| 23:05.59 | Tierrie|Work | btw i hate clearfont |
| 23:06.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | ew that video kinda sucks for showing the effect |
| 23:06.04 | Tierrie|Work | not your plugin |
| 23:06.12 | Tierrie|Work | just like, clear fonts in general |
| 23:06.18 | Tierrie|Work | it makes me feel like i've not slept enough |
| 23:06.20 | cladhaire | i need to figure out how to make clearfont an praid play together |
| 23:06.26 | Tierrie|Work | or is too high strung |
| 23:06.30 | End | I dislike the WoW default fonts |
| 23:06.35 | End | not..thick enough |
| 23:06.37 | Kirkburn | Tierrie|Work, heh, you're straaaange |
| 23:06.50 | Tain | Mmm love me some thick fonts |
| 23:06.50 | Kirkburn | End likes them thick? |
| 23:06.55 | Tain | Give that font a sammich! |
| 23:06.56 | End | thick thick very thick! |
| 23:07.00 | Kirkburn | cladhaire, they don't atm? |
| 23:07.05 | Tierrie|Work | one time i turned ony clearfonts on my computer and i was overcome with a strange drowsy sensation |
| 23:07.08 | cladhaire | they never did very well |
| 23:07.21 | Kirkburn | cladhaire, ckknight's code might have helped with that |
| 23:07.24 | Tain | The letters start poking out a bit |
| 23:07.40 | Tain | And pokage isn't good. |
| 23:07.47 | Kirkburn | Though, at the same time, I'm not sure how successful his code was |
| 23:07.58 | Kirkburn | *cough* it broke other stuff I think *cough* |
| 23:08.09 | cladhaire | honestly |
| 23:08.24 | End | shocked and amazed, or just shocked? |
| 23:08.34 | Tain | Operation shock and awe |
| 23:08.49 | Kirkburn | Tierrie|Work, that's ClearType! |
| 23:08.54 | nevcairiel | Kirkburn: going from CF1 to CF2, the font on my raid frames is now smaller. |
| 23:09.00 | Tierrie|Work | oh |
| 23:09.01 | nevcairiel | And i dont get why :D |
| 23:09.06 | Tain | ClearType causes shrinkage?!@ |
| 23:09.07 | Kirkburn | Cause I made it so. |
| 23:09.25 | nevcairiel | it sucks |
| 23:09.25 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 23:10.06 | Kirkburn | Heh, I *think* I made it so, anyway. I did reduce one or two with the last ClearFont version. |
| 23:10.39 | nevcairiel | dunno, it was fitting before, and i was kinda irritated when it was small again |
| 23:10.56 | Kirkburn | Screenshot! |
| 23:11.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | anyone know of a customizable or druid-centric stunwatch type addon? i want to watch Pounce, Bash and eventually Maim's cooldowns :O |
| 23:11.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | er, durations |
| 23:11.17 | Tain | I get kinda irritated when it fits and then it's small again too. |
| 23:11.56 | End | I don't even know why I listen to anything Tain says |
| 23:12.29 | Tain | I know I don't. |
| 23:13.56 | Tain | Ok besides all that, this is just wrong. Wrong wrong wrong. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14271067/ |
| 23:14.01 | Tain | MSNBC asks: Do you consider Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton a sex symbol? |
| 23:14.15 | End | ... |
| 23:14.17 | End | wtf? |
| 23:14.49 | cladhaire | lol |
| 23:15.05 | Imrcly | wtf of the day #2 |
| 23:15.20 | Tierrie|Work | good god |
| 23:15.34 | Tierrie|Work | her face is where erections go to die |
| 23:15.45 | Tain | People are voting yes. :( |
| 23:15.51 | Tain | Thankfully not most people. |
| 23:16.00 | Tain | But find the ones who did and ... do something about it. |
| 23:16.08 | Tierrie|Work | hey |
| 23:16.18 | Tierrie|Work | some people want to "bump the president"= |
| 23:16.36 | Tain | Oh I'd do her. |
| 23:16.40 | Tain | But I dont' find her sexy. |
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| 23:16.58 | Tierrie|Work | by bump i meant shoot in the face |
| 23:17.00 | Tierrie|Work | uh |
| 23:17.06 | Tain | That's what I meant. |
| 23:17.26 | Tain | But Dick Cheney has that market cornered. |
| 23:17.41 | Tierrie|Work | dick cheney does like to shoot people in the face |
| 23:17.43 | Tierrie|Work | this is true |
| 23:18.01 | Tierrie|Work | i cannot possible imagine how that guy even gave that press release afterwards |
| 23:18.11 | Tain | I can. |
| 23:18.15 | Tain | "Say this or I'll shoot you again." |
| 23:18.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | MSNBC asks: Do you consider Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton a sex symbol? |
| 23:18.22 | Tierrie|Work | did you guys ssee it? the guy was pretty much 'dude its my fault dick is faultess, i jumped in front and i deserved to be shot, in the game" |
| 23:18.31 | |Shadow| | Are there any addons for extending your ignore list up yet? |
| 23:18.34 | Tierrie|Work | face |
| 23:19.22 | cogwheel | Kirkburn: your sample site is the second top-level result on google when you search for chigwell & epping :) |
| 23:19.26 | Industrial | up? |
| 23:19.43 | Tierrie|Work | clinton in her younger days was hot |
| 23:19.56 | Tain | I still found Lewis Black's discussion about Dick Cheney's shooting incident to be one of the funniest things I heard all year. |
| 23:20.18 | Kirkburn | cogwheel, wha?! |
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| 23:21.01 | cogwheel | http://www.google.com/search?q=chigwell+%26+epping&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a |
| 23:21.42 | Tierrie|Work | http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1996/candidates/democrat/clinton/hillary.shtml <-- i take it back |
| 23:21.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'd rather be in a threesome with bill clinton and dick cheney than see hillary naked |
| 23:22.13 | Tain | I can't say as I'd agree. |
| 23:22.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | and i'm very much not gay, hillary is about as far off the "sexy" charts as physically possible |
| 23:23.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | tubgirl is most likely higher on that list than hillary |
| 23:23.49 | Tierrie|Work | you have poor standards :P |
| 23:25.55 | bleetah | cide: did you find someone with CE? |
| 23:26.06 | Cide | no |
| 23:26.21 | bleetah | what info wer you after? I can try asking my guildies |
| 23:27.00 | Cide | don't bother, thanks anyway |
| 23:30.39 | bleetah | k, np |
| 23:30.47 | bleetah | (we don't have one, anyway hehe) |
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| 23:33.16 | Tain | I'm watching Youtube videos on my TV through my Wii. |
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| 23:35.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm watching random videos on my hdtv from my computer through my 360 |
| 23:35.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | ;p |
| 23:35.49 | Tain | I'm gonna put on Army of Darkness HD-DVD later. |
| 23:36.39 | Neebler | I'm browsing the web on my computer! |
| 23:36.46 | Tain | "I don't have a girlfriend. I just know a girl who would be really mad if she heard me say that." |
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| 23:42.09 | foxlit | Hm, is there any reason I can see my own "Opening" timer on flags, but not other people's? |
| 23:42.23 | foxlit | (battlegrounds, UnitCastingInfo) |
| 23:43.20 | Iriel | Because you need to know yours, but not theirs? |
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| 23:44.41 | foxlit | Why do I need to know their casting data at all, then? :) |
| 23:45.59 | Iriel | well, if they're casting something ON them or AT you you might have more reason to know.. I suspect it's a designer thing. |
| 23:48.13 | Iriel | My guess is the real reason is that the timer belongs to the flag and not the player |
| 23:48.50 | foxlit | Wonder if you still get "begins to perform Opening on" |
| 23:50.18 | Iriel | You may find this relevant, from the forum: |
| 23:50.29 | Iriel | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:50.30 | Iriel | Ive noticed im not getting CHAT_MSG_SPELL_SELF_BUFF when Opening chests, I thought this was fixed? It is working for herbs and mining |
| 23:50.40 | Iriel | Slouken's reply: No, it was a bug that you were getting it in the first place, and has been fixed. |
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| 23:54.03 | bleetah | Thanks for the heads up, Iriel |
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| 23:58.26 | Teomyr | PHP is strange |
| 23:59.03 | Teomyr | how can an unsigned variable be -1? |
| 23:59.22 | foxlit | PHP has unsigned vars? |
| 23:59.37 | Teomyr | no, but unpack() reads them in |
