| 00:05.03 | foxlit | I'm thinking http://wowi.pastey.net/3977 |
| 00:05.10 | ZealotOnAStick | ping neuro |
| 00:05.47 | foxlit | image the pairs() wraps are there |
| 00:07.55 | Kiphere|Sleepy | yar, got my keyboard present early :P |
| 00:08.04 | Kiphere|Sleepy | back in a few minutes ;p |
| 00:08.22 | Cide | GRRI is always up to date |
| 00:08.59 | foxlit | So I should go with GRRI and name-based swaps? |
| 00:09.17 | Cide | define "local indices" |
| 00:09.30 | foxlit | Swapping code is here: http://wowi.pastey.net/3977 |
| 00:09.50 | Cide | if you maintain a name->raidid map and update it on R_R_U, it'll be up to date |
| 00:10.16 | foxlit | I have two tables of _currently valid_ raid IDs: one that is currently true, and one that I want to achive. |
| 00:11.52 | Kirkburn | Goodnight all! Merry Xmas! |
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| 00:12.16 | ZealotOnAStick | foxlit, you have any kind of timing delay or throttling on the changes? |
| 00:12.21 | foxlit | No. |
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| 00:12.42 | ZealotOnAStick | I know back many months ago, a GM in our then raiding alliance wrote a similar tool for normal raids. |
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| 00:13.02 | ZealotOnAStick | And if it tried to perform all the moves of people around in groups in the raid at once, it'd disconnect him every time. |
| 00:13.14 | ZealotOnAStick | and it lagged the hell out of the rest of us. |
| 00:13.20 | ZealotOnAStick | though that part might not be an issue now. |
| 00:13.34 | foxlit | The lag was probably whatever raidframe you were using handling RAID_ROSTER_UPDATE |
| 00:13.48 | ZealotOnAStick | would have been CTRA. |
| 00:13.53 | Cide | no it wouldn't |
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| 00:14.07 | ZealotOnAStick | (my raid frame at the time would have been CTRA, for clarity) |
| 00:14.24 | Cide | ah, okay :) |
| 00:14.54 | foxlit | Alright, so, names and a timer. I can do that. |
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| 00:18.40 | Qshadowp | hmm, downloaded the fan updated version of discord action bars |
| 00:18.42 | ScytheBlade1 | To preform AV, you just call JoinBattlefield() and set the as group, right? |
| 00:18.48 | Qshadowp | kinda odd...it won't let me bind my action buttons with items on them :p |
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| 00:19.01 | KiphereCE | HI |
| 00:19.11 | Qshadowp | IH |
| 00:19.22 | KiphereCE | any of you guys know much about the G15 keyboard? |
| 00:19.27 | subbawt | i have one |
| 00:19.31 | Qshadowp | KiphereCE yes |
| 00:19.32 | Qshadowp | i have one |
| 00:19.36 | Imrcly | i can't afford one |
| 00:19.46 | KiphereCE | Do I need to add actual keystrokes to the G buttons to map them to hotkeys in game? |
| 00:19.54 | Qshadowp | KiphereCE yes |
| 00:20.04 | Qshadowp | i just used shift+strangekey for it |
| 00:20.07 | KiphereCE | will blizzard get pissed if i make 1 button = shift+something |
| 00:20.08 | subbawt | just make them obscure things |
| 00:20.16 | subbawt | like ctrl-shift-a |
| 00:20.18 | Qshadowp | KiphereCE no they don't |
| 00:20.22 | KiphereCE | ok cool. |
| 00:20.25 | KiphereCE | afkish ;) |
| 00:20.29 | Qshadowp | i checked it up, blizzard is fine with the g15 macros |
| 00:20.34 | KiphereCE | this was my Eve present. |
| 00:20.38 | Qshadowp | :D |
| 00:20.50 | Qshadowp | KiphereCE get LCDStudio |
| 00:20.52 | Qshadowp | is teh shit! |
| 00:21.18 | KiphereCE | if this thing had a headphone/mic jack that would override the soundcard with a switch I'd be in heaven |
| 00:21.42 | Qshadowp | lol |
| 00:21.57 | Qshadowp | KiphereCE you didn't see lcd studio yet |
| 00:22.08 | Qshadowp | it owns, programming utility for the LCD Display on your keyboard |
| 00:22.14 | KiphereCE | my issue is I use a headset when I'm in vent and its a pain in the butt to swap to my speakers with where my computer is. |
| 00:22.35 | KiphereCE | I wonder how much WoW crap I can pipe to it :p |
| 00:22.38 | Qshadowp | lol i use a headset 24\7 :p |
| 00:22.39 | Imrcly | i have a y splitter for mine |
| 00:22.48 | KiphereCE | I'm gonna buy a switcher eventually |
| 00:22.54 | Qshadowp | KiphereCE it comes built in with battleground info (thats bugged since 2.0) stats, and when you get whispered |
| 00:22.55 | KiphereCE | anyway, afk setting binds. |
| 00:22.57 | Imrcly | i can just turn off my speakers if i want |
| 00:23.00 | Qshadowp | your not allowed officially to put anything else into it |
| 00:23.08 | Qshadowp | but im gonna try some packet sniffing to add some more stuff to it :P |
| 00:23.22 | KiphereCE | I wouldnt do the packet sniffing. |
| 00:23.27 | Industrial | \o/ |
| 00:23.28 | KiphereCE | that'll flag their watchdog |
| 00:23.33 | KiphereCE | garuntee. |
| 00:23.39 | Qshadowp | KiphereCE not if you do it with a completely diffrent pc it won't. |
| 00:23.39 | Imrcly | warden doesn't like packet sniffers |
| 00:23.41 | KiphereCE | man this thing types really smooth. |
| 00:23.47 | Qshadowp | and if it does, im so taking them to court for invasion of privacy |
| 00:23.49 | Qshadowp | KiphereCE yea i know :D |
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| 00:26.31 | Qshadowp | sigh...discord action bars is failing me again :( |
| 00:26.39 | Qshadowp | the keybindings arn't working properly |
| 00:27.16 | KiphereCE | ok logging into game to see how this works :p |
| 00:28.28 | Qshadowp | you'll like it KiphereCE :P |
| 00:29.26 | Qshadowp | KiphereCE download this: http://www.g15forums.com//index.php?option=com_remository&Itemid=39&func=fileinfo&id=52 |
| 00:30.32 | KiphereCE | hrm, its not working right |
| 00:30.43 | KiphereCE | I set one of my buttons to shift+num1 |
| 00:30.47 | KiphereCE | and it still thinks its F7 |
| 00:31.13 | Qshadowp | KiphereCE you set the default profile to think its shift+num1 |
| 00:31.21 | Qshadowp | it automatically sets itself up for diffrent games |
| 00:31.32 | KiphereCE | I set the WoW profile to shift+num1 |
| 00:31.33 | Qshadowp | go into the profile manager, popdown box in the top left |
| 00:31.34 | KiphereCE | :p |
| 00:31.40 | Qshadowp | hmm |
| 00:31.41 | Qshadowp | works for me O.o |
| 00:31.44 | KiphereCE | I'm not completely dense ;) |
| 00:31.53 | Thrae | Hmmm, I hit my macro limit. Should I make an addon just for the macro, or should I use an addon to extend my macro character limit? |
| 00:32.06 | Thrae | s/macro limit/macro character limit/ |
| 00:32.29 | foxlit | There's an addon that does that in 2.0? |
| 00:32.35 | Qshadowp | Thrae make a addon, i'll use it. |
| 00:35.37 | Thrae | Qshadowp: SuperMacro 2.0 is up on ui.worldofwar.net... |
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| 00:35.59 | Qshadowp | :) |
| 00:36.39 | Corrodias | why do people use ui.worldofwar.net? it's so brown! |
| 00:36.49 | Corrodias | actually, i rather like the color scheme |
| 00:36.59 | Corrodias | the "dark brown" could use a little more red in it, though |
| 00:37.01 | Qshadowp | Corrodias i like that website mainly because of its skill guides |
| 00:37.10 | Qshadowp | allthough the constant threat of keyloggers is starting to annoy me |
| 00:37.27 | Corrodias | what threat is this? |
| 00:37.37 | Qshadowp | uhh someone linked a post about it ages ago |
| 00:37.42 | Qshadowp | they keep getting dodgey adverts |
| 00:37.45 | Qshadowp | tis not there fault. |
| 00:37.59 | Corrodias | i see, flash objects? |
| 00:38.29 | Qshadowp | java i think |
| 00:38.35 | KiphereCE | bah |
| 00:38.41 | KiphereCE | its not takin the hotkeys right. |
| 00:38.44 | Qshadowp | im not worried, i use firefox, anti virus, anti spyware, and a firewall. |
| 00:38.52 | Qshadowp | and i have a router with the firewall up too :p |
| 00:38.55 | Qshadowp | so i should be f ine :) |
| 00:39.00 | Qshadowp | KiphereCE :( |
| 00:39.37 | KiphereCE | ugh, nm I'm a douche. |
| 00:39.41 | Corrodias | for a java applet to install anything, it -should- have to ask you for extra security privileges. |
| 00:39.44 | KiphereCE | its because bongos doesnt accept shift clicks. |
| 00:39.51 | KiphereCE | and all my binds are shift clicks. |
| 00:39.52 | Qshadowp | lol |
| 00:40.19 | Cide | the last week it was an iframe that silently loaded another site |
| 00:40.22 | KiphereCE | I gotta pick up the vent thing for the LCD |
| 00:40.28 | Cide | how the keylogger was transmitted from that site I don't know |
| 00:40.34 | Qshadowp | happy christmas all :P |
| 00:40.40 | KiphereCE | HI |
| 00:40.41 | KiphereCE | afk |
| 00:40.52 | Qshadowp | Cide someone posted about it on the forums |
| 00:40.55 | Qshadowp | no idea where though. |
| 00:42.26 | Corrodias | i see |
| 00:45.08 | KiphereCE | omnicc works with trinity right? |
| 00:51.56 | KiphereCE | freaking trin bar stuck to my mouse. |
| 00:51.57 | KiphereCE | >< |
| 00:52.42 | Thunder_Child | anyone know which ace lib handles cooldown stuff? |
| 00:58.01 | Thunder_Child | poke... |
| 01:00.34 | foxlit | HEV! |
| 01:00.55 | foxlit | (or, er, HES?) |
| 01:01.07 | Qshadowp | lol |
| 01:01.10 | Qshadowp | owned :P |
| 01:01.26 | Qshadowp | KiphereCE http://www.g15forums.com//index.php?option=com_remository&Itemid=39&func=fileinfo&id=52 |
| 01:01.40 | Qshadowp | im going to sleep, night all :P |
| 01:01.45 | Thunder_Child | night |
| 01:06.29 | KiphereCE | ok |
| 01:06.32 | KiphereCE | getting cranky |
| 01:06.42 | KiphereCE | why wont trinity bars show my other hotkeys |
| 01:06.44 | KiphereCE | it only shows my main bar >< |
| 01:06.54 | KiphereCE | god i miss flexbar |
| 01:09.58 | foxlit | anyone in av atm? |
| 01:13.21 | Neuro | Kiphere, they might be docked |
| 01:14.15 | Neuro | you can cycle through to the bar you want via the little number at the bottom of the Trinity setup wheel |
| 01:14.36 | foxlit | How are people linking TBC items on live? |
| 01:14.46 | KiphereCE | some items exist on live. |
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| 01:14.54 | KiphereCE | specifically pvp crap thats on the pvp vendors. |
| 01:14.59 | foxlit | They were never _seen_ |
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| 01:15.01 | KiphereCE | anyone have any idea where flexbar2 is ? ;P |
| 01:15.06 | SP|Sorren | I imagine its not hard to create a link |
| 01:15.14 | foxlit | I image wow would kick you for it |
| 01:15.25 | SP|Sorren | only if the link isn't a real link |
| 01:15.39 | KiphereCE | did they update lootlink for 2.0? |
| 01:15.43 | KiphereCE | if so that's how they're doign it. |
| 01:15.50 | KiphereCE | imported lootlink database from beta |
| 01:16.35 | foxlit | I'm still convinced that linking an item that has never been seen on a server will get you disconnected :( |
| 01:17.08 | SP|Sorren | well |
| 01:17.20 | SP|Sorren | if thats the case, why weren't those people who are linking tbc items DC'd? |
| 01:18.53 | Guillotine | whos talking about ilnks? |
| 01:18.55 | Guillotine | <3 spoofing links |
| 01:19.07 | Guillotine | as long as the name is correct, you can add different modifiers |
| 01:19.25 | Neuro | cause it's Christmas: http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/uncensored.shtml |
| 01:19.54 | foxlit | "Click OK if You're under 18 <OK>" |
| 01:19.57 | foxlit | They leave you no choice! |
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| 01:29.23 | KiphereCE | ok, my trinity bar install must be broken or something. |
| 01:29.31 | KiphereCE | it only shows 1 hotkey bank. |
| 01:29.43 | KiphereCE | and when I click on the thing everyone says to click on, it does nothink |
| 01:31.21 | KiphereCE | ZE GOGGLEZ DO NOTHINK |
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| 01:43.51 | foxlit | Woah :( |
| 01:43.58 | KiphereCE | i cry now. |
| 01:44.05 | foxlit | You know you're in trouble when your panic function gives an error |
| 01:44.23 | KiphereCE | trinity bar will only show my main hotbar and I hvae no idea why. everyone else says they work fine |
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| 01:45.07 | Neuro | Kiphere, dunno what to say... mine shows up just fine |
| 01:45.22 | KiphereCE | do you hvae to do anything? |
| 01:45.33 | KiphereCE | it loads up fine, shows the edit windows for everything |
| 01:45.43 | KiphereCE | but it only shows one bank of hotkeys. |
| 01:45.52 | Neuro | well, when it doesn't show the edit windows, it's usually cause they have been "docked" |
| 01:45.53 | KiphereCE | the documentation is... lacking |
| 01:46.06 | Neuro | there's an option to undock all bars |
| 01:46.13 | KiphereCE | I clicked the blinds button that makes the edit thingy show up though |
| 01:46.18 | KiphereCE | I'll look again |
| 01:47.23 | End | hmm, just soloed duskwing |
| 01:47.37 | KiphereCE | AHA |
| 01:47.48 | KiphereCE | I need to 'create new dock' for the banks that didn't have buttons on them. |
| 01:48.06 | KiphereCE | all worky now. |
| 01:48.46 | Neuro | cool |
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| 02:01.08 | foxlit | Bright side: my final swap routine works |
| 02:02.23 | foxlit | The part that tells it the optimal configuration, though... urgh. |
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| 02:52.03 | Corr[discon] | router reboots and freenode doesn't realize i'm gone for another ten minutes... |
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| 03:16.00 | KiphereCE | <cry> |
| 03:16.15 | KiphereCE | Trinity wont let me bind with shift keys either. |
| 03:16.19 | KiphereCE | that or my keyboard is jacked. |
| 03:16.37 | KiphereCE | I'm sad, this is my new xmas toy! |
| 03:22.49 | Imrcly | i'll take it |
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| 03:24.54 | ScytheBlade1 | How do people preform AV? |
| 03:27.13 | Imrcly | timin |
| 03:27.21 | TC_Sleeping | Anal Ventriloquism? |
| 03:27.26 | Imrcly | they count down and then hit join at the same time |
| 03:27.38 | ScytheBlade1 | No, I doubt that, I really do |
| 03:27.53 | ZealotOnAStick | with the raid leader using /script JoinBattlefield(0,1) |
| 03:28.03 | ZealotOnAStick | That queues the entire group/raid simultaneously. |
| 03:28.12 | Imrcly | yeah or that |
| 03:28.14 | ZealotOnAStick | Doesn't guarantee they'll all get into the same one, but most will. |
| 03:28.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Gotcha, I was wondering that |
| 03:28.38 | ZealotOnAStick | If the majority get the same one in queue, the others can manually requeue for that specific one. |
| 03:29.48 | Imrcly | i like preforms they make av fun again |
| 03:29.59 | Gryphen | http://wow.curse-gaming.com/en/files/details/5418/preform-av-enabler/ |
| 03:30.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Ooohhh |
| 03:30.38 | Gryphen | author blocks alliance from using it however |
| 03:31.19 | bleetah | there's another mod does the same, not alliance disabled tho, can't recall it's name |
| 03:31.59 | [Cu]Werik | Stinkyqueue |
| 03:32.06 | bleetah | that's the one |
| 03:32.30 | bleetah | gah, this damned iPod is even more broken than I thought |
| 03:33.19 | bleetah | http://www.willitblend.com/videos.aspx?type=unsafe&video=ipod springs to mind |
| 03:33.23 | ScytheBlade1 | "This AddOn is HORDE ONLY. Do not ask me to make it work for the Alliance, because I won't. " |
| 03:33.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Haha, what a noob |
| 03:34.25 | Inside | >_> |
| 03:34.31 | Inside | shouldn't be too easy make it alliance enabled. |
| 03:34.45 | Inside | er, too hard |
| 03:34.46 | Imrcly | i thin someone here already has |
| 03:34.50 | Thrae | I just noticed the Forum / Server discrepency. Has anyone else? The WoW Forum lists my character as Level 54, but he's actually Level 55. |
| 03:34.53 | Inside | because hey, we got all the sauce |
| 03:34.59 | Inside | and once you've got the addon out on the interbutts... |
| 03:35.07 | Inside | it's really hard to make itbe undistributable |
| 03:35.17 | ScytheBlade1 | No, it'd be hard-coded for horde only |
| 03:36.00 | Inside | uh |
| 03:36.02 | Inside | if we have the code |
| 03:36.05 | Inside | we can change the code. |
| 03:36.30 | Inside | it's probably soemthing like .. _, _, race, _, _ = getinfo(player) |
| 03:36.32 | Inside | or whatever. |
| 03:36.40 | Inside | (don't know the exact ai calls) |
| 03:36.46 | bleetah | the code's been obsfucated |
| 03:36.48 | bleetah | a little |
| 03:37.04 | Inside | pfft |
| 03:37.19 | Imrcly | obsfucated? |
| 03:37.21 | Inside | shouldn't be too hard to find out where the hardcode is |
| 03:37.23 | Inside | and change it. |
| 03:37.40 | bleetah | PreformAVEnabler_Version = .14;i1111lllllI1 = {};lIIIIlIIIIll = { |
| 03:37.48 | bleetah | is the start of the *only* line of code |
| 03:37.48 | Inside | can I see the link to the addon in question/. |
| 03:38.28 | bleetah | and in the middle, there's escaped foo like li1IllIll1l1lli = "\105\102\32\40\85\110\105\116\70\97\99\116\105\111\110\71\114\111\117\112\40\34\112\108\97\121\101\114\34\41\61\61\34\65\108\108\105\97\110\99\101\34\41\32\116\104\101\110\32\114\101\116\117\114\110\32\101\110\100" |
| 03:39.46 | Gryphen | if ( IllllI11llIi == "Alliance" ) then return end |
| 03:39.46 | kergoth | i'd take it as a challenge to unobfuscate it even though i couldnt care less about the addon. he shouldnt have bothered, will just get more people interested in the code than otherwise would |
| 03:39.47 | kergoth | imo |
| 03:39.54 | Gryphen | just drop that |
| 03:40.26 | Gryphen | couple places like that |
| 03:41.17 | bleetah | if ( not IIIll1li1lI1 ~= "Horde" ) and similar too |
| 03:41.33 | Inside | It's not to ohard toconvert that escaped line |
| 03:41.35 | Inside | =\ |
| 03:41.40 | Thrae | Still I ask...any ideas on getting past the 255 character limit with macros? |
| 03:41.41 | bleetah | yeah, obsfucating lua is a little stupid |
| 03:41.46 | Inside | I bet there's even some linux-ish default tool to convert stuff like that. |
| 03:42.40 | kergoth | Inside, such a tool is easily written even if there isn't one already. foolishness |
| 03:43.06 | bleetah | I thought the 255 limit was a limit of the input system... or similar. as such, the only way to go 'beyond' 255 chars, is to write an your code in an addon, and have your macros call that. |
| 03:43.33 | bleetah | or have macros call macros.. but yeah, i don't know anything, and i'm fat and drunk from christmas lunch, so don't listen to me |
| 03:44.07 | Thrae | bleetah: Macros can't call macros, and the code which executes the contents of a macro is internal, so I don't know how it works. |
| 03:45.19 | Inside | XD |
| 03:45.24 | Inside | wow, okay so he deleted all the white space |
| 03:45.42 | Inside | I wonder if my lua editor has an automatic beautifying optoin |
| 03:45.46 | Thrae | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:48.20 | Inside | heh well |
| 03:48.28 | Inside | can't fiddle with the obfuscated code now |
| 03:48.41 | Inside | but I'm soooo putting out an alliance working code xD |
| 03:52.31 | Shadowed | eh |
| 03:52.40 | Shadowed | Inside why bother |
| 03:53.08 | Shadowed | Pretty sure Stinkyqueue does the same thing, and the other didn't decide to do something silly like obsfucate the code |
| 03:53.09 | kergoth | Inside, saw an alliance version on curse gaming earlier |
| 03:53.11 | kergoth | does it not work? |
| 03:53.40 | [Cu]Werik | I removed that |
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| 03:54.17 | Shadowed | Werik you're nof un! |
| 03:54.19 | Shadowed | er fun |
| 03:54.51 | [Cu]Werik | I don't have to be fun |
| 03:55.18 | Thrae | I don't see the problem with modifying someone else's code. Addons are forced to be open-source for a reason. |
| 03:55.32 | Thrae | We all exist under Blizzard's wing. |
| 03:55.45 | bleetah | opening a file and reading it's content != Open Source |
| 03:55.48 | Shadowed | ^ |
| 03:56.28 | Thrae | No, I'm saying I believe Blizzard intended addons to remain open-source. |
| 03:56.36 | [Cu]Werik | There is no problem with modifying others code. You just cant upload it to Curse without the permission of the author. |
| 03:56.38 | Shadowed | open-source as in, able to read it? |
| 03:56.42 | Thrae | Well, specifically, slouken. |
| 03:56.57 | Gryphen | well sort of |
| 03:56.58 | Thrae | No, open-source as in able to modify it. |
| 03:57.16 | Gryphen | you can upload it to curse, but only until the original author complains |
| 03:57.30 | Gryphen | so you can steal code and get away with curse hosting it as long as the author doesnt see it |
| 03:57.35 | [Cu]Werik | No not really, its in our Terms of Use under User Submissions |
| 03:57.36 | Gryphen | sort of backwards |
| 03:57.49 | bleetah | Thrae: that's not open source, that's just human readable. |
| 03:58.20 | Thrae | bleetah: I've said twice, I mean open-source as in the ability to modify the code. |
| 03:58.42 | [Cu]Werik | That's another thing that until I get a request from the author, I presume that a) the guy had the permission before uploading b) the author has nothing against it |
| 03:58.57 | Gryphen | poor presumption |
| 03:59.14 | Thrae | Slouken has ties to the open-source community. |
| 03:59.14 | Gryphen | because i presume nearly all that re-release code did not get authorization |
| 03:59.29 | [Cu]Werik | Yea |
| 03:59.48 | [Cu]Werik | But the ToU wasnt available when they were uploaded either |
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| 04:00.11 | bleetah | Thrae: yes, and I'm saying the ability to modify code does not mean that said code is what is commonly known as open source. thus, it's liable to get people into lots of confusion if such labels are mis-used. hence, I was being very stuck-in-the-mud about describing addons as opensource. |
| 04:00.48 | [Cu]Werik | The code is the IP of the author until he releases it to the public |
| 04:00.57 | Gryphen | no |
| 04:01.10 | [Cu]Werik | Well, yes |
| 04:01.23 | Drundia | it's always IP of the author |
| 04:01.26 | Gryphen | no wonder |
| 04:01.27 | cladhaire | Thrae: I dont think thats the case. |
| 04:01.38 | cladhaire | Thrae: There's nothing indicating "intent" for addons to be open source |
| 04:01.40 | cladhaire | .in the least |
| 04:02.04 | [Cu]Werik | Until the author declares it as open source, it isnt open source |
| 04:02.19 | cladhaire | even tho the source is readily available. |
| 04:02.20 | cladhaire | correct |
| 04:02.40 | bleetah | i was under the impression mods were all in source so blizz could compile/parse themselves and kill off offending code, and not directly to do with it being able to be read by a human |
| 04:02.49 | Shadowed | I figured it was just because it's easier then making us compile the code to release it, or fix bugs ourself |
| 04:03.08 | bleetah | yeah, pretty similar thought i had Shadowed |
| 04:03.21 | Thrae | Well, we also have to look at the ethics of open source when it comes to scripts being produced to run under a proprietary engine not intended for commericial development. |
| 04:03.39 | Thrae | For instance, you can't sell an addon. It must be public domain. |
| 04:03.43 | cladhaire | Why? |
| 04:03.46 | [Cu]Werik | Why not? |
| 04:03.51 | [Cu]Werik | You can sell it any time |
| 04:03.51 | cladhaire | YOu're full of it =) |
| 04:04.01 | [Cu]Werik | Look at RDX |
| 04:04.08 | Cairenn | Thrae: you are so completely incorrect |
| 04:04.40 | Imrcly | who is to say that obsfucated code is not a keylogger |
| 04:04.56 | Shadowed | Well it's not LUA for one |
| 04:04.58 | Shadowed | er, it's LUA |
| 04:04.59 | bleetah | Imrcly: yeah, my alarm bells went off when I saw those escaped sequences |
| 04:05.00 | Gryphen | becase addons cant do that |
| 04:05.29 | Thrae | Alright, I concede that I forgot about RDX, but that doesn't mean Blizzard's official stance is that you CAN sell addons. They don't have an official stajnce on the issue, to my knowledge. |
| 04:05.30 | cladhaire | their stancew doesn't mjatter |
| 04:05.30 | cladhaire | they cannot stop me |
| 04:05.30 | [Cu]Werik | Blizzard has nothing to do with it |
| 04:05.30 | cladhaire | its my right |
| 04:05.30 | Thrae | s/stajnce/stance/ |
| 04:05.34 | Cairenn | if there is no license, it defaults to IP copyright protection |
| 04:05.49 | Cairenn | it's only if an author specifically states that it's open source, that it is open source |
| 04:06.28 | Shadowed | As far as I saw when I glanced at the code, nothing looked like it was going to do something bad |
| 04:06.37 | seebs | Blizzard could, in theory, put in the TOS or license that you can't create addons for WoW and sell them. Maybe. They could certainly have a TOS saying you can't sell addons. |
| 04:06.49 | kergoth | cladhaire, arguably, every addon can be considered a derived work of wow. their stance does matter, as their licensing can exert control over derived works (just look at the GPL) |
| 04:06.57 | [Cu]Werik | seebs, they cant |
| 04:07.01 | seebs | They could possibly have a licensing term saying you can't create derivative works using their API without permission, although I wouldn't want to be the one fighting that in court. |
| 04:07.24 | seebs | Trying to license things on the API would be very hard. I would not expect them to win. |
| 04:07.27 | cladhaire | aye, but thats the extent of it. |
| 04:07.34 | cladhaire | and its hard case to sell |
| 04:07.39 | cladhaire | has anyone been successful yet? |
| 04:07.42 | seebs | However, they could certainly make a TOS of having an account that you cannot sell addons for money. |
| 04:07.42 | bleetah | and if they tried to fight me on API derived works without permission, I'd wave .au (C) law in their face |
| 04:07.48 | seebs | However, they HAVE NOT done so. |
| 04:07.58 | seebs | So right now, you can sell addons, you can license them, you can do anything you want. |
| 04:08.15 | cladhaire | they can't stop the Glider author from selling Glider |
| 04:08.21 | cladhaire | they've been sued to that end =) |
| 04:08.23 | bleetah | I wonder how many BSD licensed mods there are out there |
| 04:08.24 | Imrcly | because there is no money no one cares |
| 04:08.33 | seebs | You could make an addon called "TOSser" which requires you, as a term of its license, to affirmatively state that you violate the Blizzard TOS, and which immediately reports you when you log in. |
| 04:08.58 | seebs | The Glider thing is more complicated, because obviously that one relies on violating something which IS in the TOS, not just something they could theoretically write but haven't. |
| 04:09.11 | cladhaire | but either way |
| 04:09.14 | cladhaire | they cannot stop someone from selling it |
| 04:09.15 | Thrae | Except the addons extend the functionality of a commericial game, World of Warcraft. Legally, any change to code within that game is owned by Blizzard. If taken to court, Blizzard could just cite the Sony case involving their iDog or whatever it was called. Experts may disagree that the two cases would be related, but Blizzard would probably win even without muscle. |
| 04:09.16 | cladhaire | its not illegal. |
| 04:09.20 | cladhaire | and they cannot make it illegal. |
| 04:09.20 | seebs | But certainly, you could put an addon under any copyright terms you want right now. |
| 04:09.25 | cladhaire | that's all i'm saying =) |
| 04:09.47 | seebs | Thrae, I don't think I agree. Ford can't stop people from selling aftermarket gas tank caps, and believe me, they would if they could. |
| 04:10.02 | Thrae | seebs: That's hardware, we're talking software. |
| 04:10.03 | seebs | Addons never change the functionality of WoW code; they are just run by it. |
| 04:10.28 | Drundia | seebs is right |
| 04:10.28 | [Cu]Werik | There can be anything in the tos against glider, what if I just simply dont buy wow/accep the tos |
| 04:10.35 | Imrcly | addons are like turbochargers not gascaps |
| 04:10.51 | seebs | Same principles tend to apply. If Blizzard whined to a judge that people were changing the behavior of WoW, using the addon interface that Blizzard publishes, documents, and support, then the judge is going to be forced to write an official opinion which starts "QQ n00b." |
| 04:11.16 | Scre3m | QQ? |
| 04:11.23 | seebs | The thing is, there's no way for the guy developing glider to do so without violating TOS. Now, those TOS terms may be unenforceable, but they're THERE. |
| 04:11.28 | Thrae | The Sony case specifically stated that people are not allowed to add additional functionality to proprietary software without the author's consent, even if public domain. |
| 04:11.46 | seebs | But Thrae, Blizzard has given very clear and unambiguous consent to develop addons. |
| 04:11.58 | Drundia | what is that glider you mention? |
| 04:12.03 | seebs | Glider is a botting program. |
| 04:12.09 | Drundia | oh:) |
| 04:12.12 | Thrae | That doesn't mean they gave consent to sell these addons, or even not allow people to modify other's addons. |
| 04:12.15 | seebs | It works because someone used a WoW account to snoop things. |
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| 04:12.31 | seebs | Thrae, doesn't mater. They gave consent to modify their program. They don't necessarily get to set further terms. |
| 04:12.37 | seebs | s/mater/matter/g |
| 04:12.40 | Drundia | everything that isn't forbidden is allowed isnt it? |
| 04:12.46 | TonyD | what about sandbox type server programs? |
| 04:12.49 | seebs | Well, it's more complicated than that. |
| 04:12.53 | Corrodias | good god, another legal orgy |
| 04:13.05 | seebs | TonyD: So far as I know, they're violations of TOS or license. |
| 04:13.16 | Shadowed | Blizzard could do anything they want, doesn't mean they would win or they wouldn't piss off most of the community anyway |
| 04:13.16 | Imrcly | heres a new error http://wowi.pastey.net/3982 |
| 04:13.21 | TonyD | well, for the developer, yeah |
| 04:13.32 | seebs | Personally, I think copyright's way more restrictive than it should be or needs to be, but... Even with current copyright, I doubt they could ever convince a judge that it was illegal to sell an addon. |
| 04:13.49 | seebs | In fact, I think I'm going to develop WhisperRLC and put it up with a clear license stating you must pay me $1,000 to use it. |
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| 04:13.59 | TonyD | i'll pirate it |
| 04:13.59 | Corrodias | i don't think blizzard has tried to make any claim to own addons written by other people. |
| 04:14.05 | seebs | Corrodias: They haven'.t |
| 04:14.11 | seebs | The question is mostly whether they COULD. |
| 04:14.12 | seebs | ... |
| 04:14.16 | TonyD | (sweet forbidden thousand dollar payware) |
| 04:14.18 | Corrodias | bioware, on the other hand, specifically says that anything made by their toolset (for NWN) is theirs |
| 04:14.25 | Scre3m | be tought to sell uncompiled code, source code, scripts, etc. |
| 04:14.32 | Scre3m | s/tought/tough/ |
| 04:14.34 | seebs | And I'm only here because I was debugging my keyboard, and now that it's working, I have a Greench to destroy. |
| 04:14.39 | [Cu]Werik | but that uses their toolset, and their scripting language |
| 04:14.45 | seebs | Be well, all. Merry xmas, happy holidays, and all that. |
| 04:14.52 | seebs | Werik: NWN's scripting language is Lua, same as WoW. |
| 04:14.54 | bleetah | enjoy, seebs :) |
| 04:15.01 | [Cu]Werik | then they only have the toolset:) |
| 04:15.01 | Corrodias | NWN does not use Lua. |
| 04:15.22 | Corrodias | at least, nwscript isn't Lua. |
| 04:15.27 | Gryphen | Lot of lawyers here |
| 04:15.29 | Thrae | [Cu]Werik: The functions and Lua engine are both WoW-specific. It's not vanilla Lua. |
| 04:15.35 | Scre3m | NWScript |
| 04:16.01 | Drundia | it is Lua. with extra functions and with some being disabled |
| 04:16.44 | cladhaire | and that makes it easier for us |
| 04:16.48 | Drundia | host program is supposed to add something to Lua because it's extension language |
| 04:17.29 | Corrodias | nwcsript reminds me more of C++ than of anything |
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| 04:17.36 | Corrodias | const int HABD_RESPAWN_XP_LOSS = 5; |
| 04:18.21 | cladhaire | Have an API ever successfully had copyright applied to it, with regards to "Derivative works"? |
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| 04:18.29 | cladhaire | kergoth: you'd know the answer to that one. |
| 04:18.34 | cladhaire | because its a tough sell |
| 04:19.11 | Drundia | that's true microsoft could claim wow for running under windows..... hehehe |
| 04:19.20 | cladhaire | exactly |
| 04:19.30 | cladhaire | and opengl |
| 04:19.30 | Inside | eh |
| 04:19.31 | cladhaire | etc |
| 04:19.43 | Inside | what about all those addons sites out there there at mirror an exiting addon site? |
| 04:20.02 | cladhaire | i as an addon author could take legal action against them |
| 04:20.04 | Inside | >_> |
| 04:20.31 | Corrodias | i think i'd rather be turning jewish than continue to participate in this discussion :D |
| 04:20.35 | Corrodias | so i shall go play a game! |
| 04:21.53 | Thrae | Anyway, the idea of intellectual property may very well be irrelevant. If you were to sell an addon for World of Warcraft, you are essentially profitting off of their profit model. The difference between writing a program with the Windows API and writing a script for a game is that Windows is an operating system. An operating system's core job is to interact with hardware and provide services to programs. |
| 04:21.55 | Drundia | cladhaire, i think when u upload addons u put it in public domain and it may be legal to copy it as long as they keep u as author |
| 04:21.56 | Inside | that'd be interesting, cladhaire to see that happen. |
| 04:22.03 | cladhaire | Drundia: No, that's not the case. |
| 04:22.05 | Cairenn | Drundia: no |
| 04:22.23 | cladhaire | i don't relinquish a damn thing by placing my mod in a specific place. |
| 04:22.27 | Thrae | A game's intention is entertainment, an intangible. By changing the entertainment value of the game, you are creeping into Blizzard's profit model for World of Warcraft. |
| 04:22.53 | Inside | The thing about the winapi is that MS is pretty clear that you can use it for anything |
| 04:23.15 | Inside | and make profit off of it and so on. |
| 04:23.17 | Drundia | i make game more enjoyable with my addon so people keep playing wow and paying money blizzard. |
| 04:23.25 | cladhaire | Inside: but by the slippery sloper argument being made earlier, it makes everythign a derivative work of microsoft windows, which is not the case |
| 04:23.36 | Inside | I have to say that this is an interesting "erf" by Blizzard to not realease a FAQ about use created content.. |
| 04:23.47 | Inside | especially when we have things that are going to be used by millions or pepole out there. |
| 04:23.50 | Inside | of people* |
| 04:24.13 | Gryphen | The PHP Group does not own my website |
| 04:24.21 | Thrae | cladhaire: The argument was when no stance was officially taken. Microsoft officially took a stance, they said the API could be used for commericial means. |
| 04:24.21 | Drundia | yes it does :) |
| 04:24.26 | Gryphen | no |
| 04:24.49 | Drundia | trust me it does. the php group owns everything around |
| 04:24.54 | Drundia | :) |
| 04:25.04 | cladhaire | the derivative work argument has not been tested in court to my knowledge, with regards to api |
| 04:25.07 | cladhaire | and i dont think it would hold up |
| 04:25.10 | cladhaire | its a slippery slope |
| 04:25.35 | Inside | I think it would. |
| 04:25.41 | cladhaire | How? |
| 04:25.44 | cladhaire | where does the line get drawn? |
| 04:25.45 | Inside | It's like the GPL "You use our code, your code then instantly becomes GPL" |
| 04:25.47 | cladhaire | intel owns us all |
| 04:25.51 | Inside | so if the bliz api is GPL.. |
| 04:25.54 | cladhaire | since i386 is theirs. |
| 04:26.17 | cladhaire | if someone tried to push it |
| 04:26.21 | cladhaire | where does the line stop? |
| 04:26.35 | Inside | cladhaire: that's different.... _all_ of those pepole specifically permit us to use their stuff for any means necessary. |
| 04:26.53 | Inside | they don't make any claims (and forfeit the right to make any claims) of ownership of works derived from their code. |
| 04:26.57 | cladhaire | do you know that for a fact? |
| 04:27.05 | Thrae | cladhaire: Again, I cite the Sony case where someone added functionality to Sony's robotic dog toy using Sony's existing API, and put it as public domain. Sony won that case, even though they gave out no "official stance" on the issue previously. |
| 04:27.47 | Drundia | blizzard didnt take an official stance so whatever is present officially is taken. currently addons are owned by their authors. blizzard cant really just claim something other people own all of a sudden |
| 04:27.53 | Inside | cladhaire: more or less, I can't find you any proof of this right now because I'm on crappy connection (tightvnc ftl) |
| 04:27.57 | cladhaire | i'd like to read the opinion on that case |
| 04:28.12 | Thrae | Lemme see if I can find a link |
| 04:28.12 | cladhaire | and see it tested at the SC level |
| 04:28.51 | cladhaire | even with the gestapo dmca, I don't think thats a clear answer one way or another. |
| 04:29.05 | Thrae | Remember what happens everyday in court when it comes to stuff like Miranda rights or right to counsel, at least in the US. Law & Order is a good example of all the silly technicalities precendents create. |
| 04:29.10 | Inside | Drundia: no, but blizzard can claim that their API is GPL or whatever |
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| 04:29.24 | Inside | so any derivatives that use their API are now GPL indefected awell |
| 04:29.30 | cladhaire | no |
| 04:29.39 | Inside | no what? |
| 04:29.40 | cladhaire | i still do not think an API can have copyright attached to it directly |
| 04:29.43 | ag`_ | Blizzard stated that they don't want maps sold created by their StarCraft and WarCraft maptools, fyi |
| 04:29.49 | cladhaire | that's my personal educated opinion however |
| 04:30.01 | Inside | uh, wtf? |
| 04:30.09 | ag`_ | of course, there's a difference between using blizzards maptool and a text editor |
| 04:30.11 | cladhaire | ag`_: Thats using their tools, which I feel is somewhat different. |
| 04:30.20 | Inside | Have you been following some of the cases of GPL holders against GPL violated? |
| 04:30.20 | ag`_ | I was writing that |
| 04:30.22 | ag`_ | :P |
| 04:30.23 | Inside | violators? |
| 04:30.26 | cladhaire | hehe |
| 04:30.40 | cladhaire | Inside: No, that's why I've been asking for links, since I entered the conversation |
| 04:30.40 | cladhaire | . |
| 04:30.54 | Drundia | if their API is GPL they need to release it. currently they didnt. |
| 04:31.29 | Drundia | which would in turn mean that the whole wow may end up needing to become GPL'ed |
| 04:31.37 | cladhaire | you're saying a set of function signatures can be copyrighted, not the work (partial, or as a whole?) |
| 04:31.53 | Inside | not really. |
| 04:32.01 | cladhaire | well that's my point, you can violate the license of a work |
| 04:32.04 | cladhaire | in part of in whole |
| 04:32.16 | cladhaire | i.e. consider the following example |
| 04:32.42 | cladhaire | I can take the wow api model, and implement an entire game, which uses the same signatures for graphical widgets and creation. |
| 04:32.49 | cladhaire | addons for wow them work within my game as well |
| 04:33.14 | cladhaire | if they PATENT something, that is different, but they can't copyright my calls to a function named CreateFrame() |
| 04:33.46 | Thrae | cladhaire: Hmm maybe the "Aibo" example wasn't as relevant as we thought, but here it is -- http://www.chillingeffects.org/anticircumvention/notice.cgi?NoticeID=24 |
| 04:33.50 | cladhaire | again, this is all my opinion,. |
| 04:33.52 | Thrae | s/we/I/ |
| 04:34.00 | cladhaire | but its not entirely bullshit =) |
| 04:34.37 | Thrae | cladhaire: You're forgetting that I can patent "Walking and Chewing Gum At The Same Time" through the US Patent office. |
| 04:34.46 | cladhaire | i didn't mentino patents |
| 04:34.50 | cladhaire | i left that out intentinoally.. =) |
| 04:35.01 | Inside | Anyway, from what I understand, a company can release software under different licenses. Thing like the torque library allow free unlimited use of their game library so long as no profi tis made |
| 04:35.04 | cladhaire | an APi could be patented.. because anything can be =) |
| 04:35.12 | Inside | if any profit is to be made from that, you need to buy a seperate license. |
| 04:35.20 | Inside | and... Blizzard can write their own license. |
| 04:35.23 | Inside | for example -- http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/gpl-faq.html#IfLibraryIsGPL |
| 04:35.50 | cladhaire | Thrae: It appears in that case, that he was providing the source of a copyrighted piece of software, and that was his base infringement. |
| 04:36.27 | Inside | The API is n't so much of an api as calls to a library, it doesn't matter what the function names are called, you could access them by their address, but blizzard can create a license that states that you can hook into these functions only if you're going to make the program free. |
| 04:37.03 | cladhaire | and they can't enforce that, unless you distribute or sell it =) |
| 04:37.42 | Inside | why? |
| 04:37.57 | Inside | sure, under the GPL what you're saying is true |
| 04:38.07 | Inside | but under a custom blizzard license... they can state anything., |
| 04:38.09 | cladhaire | its reasonably unenforceable |
| 04:38.11 | cladhaire | they can |
| 04:38.19 | cladhaire | but they can stop me from playing, legal action would be sketchy |
| 04:38.25 | Inside | and.. they would have legal power to do that. |
| 04:38.36 | cladhaire | they can't make laws, is what I'm saying =) |
| 04:38.45 | cladhaire | I dont even think the DMCA woudl support that. |
| 04:38.47 | Inside | not that they can really track you down to find out your breaking of the rules, really, but i would be against the term of their licese. |
| 04:39.08 | Inside | it's their code, they can dictate conditions for it however they like. |
| 04:39.25 | cladhaire | within their own realm, yes =) |
| 04:39.42 | Inside | within a legal realm too. |
| 04:39.43 | cladhaire | they can't do anything legally without proving damage |
| 04:39.49 | cladhaire | which they can't without distribution or sales |
| 04:39.53 | cladhaire | or interuuption of service. |
| 04:39.57 | cladhaire | its not that cut and dry |
| 04:40.03 | cladhaire | you forget, we're innocent until proven guilty |
| 04:40.14 | cladhaire | they can kick us out of the game, but legal action is not a simple "Zomg license breaker" |
| 04:40.19 | Inside | If I made a game and the license for its use was that you had to wear puple underwear while using it, you would have to conform to that or risk losing your license.. it is, after all, your choice whether to use this game not |
| 04:40.28 | cladhaire | yes |
| 04:40.28 | cladhaire | the license |
| 04:40.32 | cladhaire | you can't sue me =) |
| 04:40.34 | cladhaire | is my point |
| 04:40.40 | cladhaire | you cant take legal action against me, for anything =) |
| 04:40.58 | Inside | well, yeah, they can legally take away yourlicense, and you couldn't legally get it back for reach of service |
| 04:41.04 | cladhaire | correct |
| 04:41.06 | Shadowed | sylvanaar: ping |
| 04:41.07 | Inside | proving damages is another thing, I'm not talking about that. |
| 04:41.08 | cladhaire | i agree 100% |
| 04:41.11 | cladhaire | but thats' outside the legal system =) |
| 04:41.12 | Shadowed | (for the 50th time) |
| 04:41.43 | Drundia | doesnt license say that they can terminate it at any time for any reason (apparently including no reason)? |
| 04:41.55 | cladhaire | yep |
| 04:42.17 | Drundia | so we're all endangered.... |
| 04:42.25 | cladhaire | of not playing the game, yeah =) |
| 04:42.34 | cladhaire | or the license changing and us having to agre with it |
| 04:51.59 | Thrae | Goldberg owns WoW: http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PTXT&s1=6,264,560.PN.&OS=PN/6,264,560&RS=PN/6,264,560 |
| 04:52.30 | Thrae | http://tinyurl.com/vxmfx |
| 04:52.49 | Thrae | An excellent example of how stupid the US patent system is. |
| 04:53.21 | cladhaire | aye |
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| 04:55.57 | Thrae | By the way -- Merry Christmas to those in Europe! |
| 04:56.09 | cladhaire | not to me? |
| 04:56.19 | Cairenn | 4 minutes to Christmas here |
| 04:56.21 | cladhaire | =) |
| 04:56.30 | Thrae | 4 minutes until Christmas in America ;) |
| 04:56.55 | Thrae | Now see, that was a proper use of emoticon-age. |
| 04:57.04 | cladhaire | hehe |
| 04:57.24 | Drundia | i think we need universal christmas time in addition to universal greeting time... |
| 04:57.41 | Thrae | Maybe it's just me, but I can't help get a little irritated at people who end every sentence with an emoticon -- especially :p |
| 04:57.51 | cladhaire | i use em a lot |
| 04:57.53 | cladhaire | the stats say so =/ |
| 04:58.09 | cladhaire | which seems odd to me, but *shrug* |
| 04:58.21 | Thrae | Well, there's a difference between ending every sentence with :), :x, and :p |
| 04:58.33 | Thrae | s/between/between that/ |
| 04:58.43 | Imrcly | :'( |
| 04:58.48 | Imrcly | heh |
| 04:59.23 | Thrae | s/me and my bad grammar/an 8-year old Japanese school boy/ |
| 04:59.28 | LoneVandal | ~excellent |
| 04:59.33 | purl | Excellent is the way to be |
| 04:59.36 | LoneVandal | ~bogus |
| 04:59.37 | purl | Bogus is totally the opposite of excellent, or people that are not excellent |
| 04:59.43 | cladhaire | is Taunt only in battle stance? |
| 04:59.43 | LoneVandal | Indeed. |
| 04:59.54 | Drundia | wasnt in defensive? |
| 04:59.55 | cladhaire | err restricted in some way? |
| 05:01.15 | Thrae | cladhaire: Not according to Thottbot. |
| 05:01.21 | cladhaire | k |
| 05:02.00 | cladhaire | i keep wondering why these warriors wont' taunt off me =) |
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| 05:02.26 | Drundia | thottbot lies a lot nowadays isnt it? |
| 05:03.25 | Drundia | Taunt - 5 yd range - Instant - 10 sec cooldown - Requires Defensive Stance - Taunts the target to attack you, but has no effect if the target is already attacking you. |
| 05:03.30 | Drundia | from thottbot... |
| 05:03.40 | cladhaire | aaah.. hat's why =) |
| 05:04.15 | Shadowed | Mocking blow is battle stance |
| 05:04.28 | cladhaire | gotcha =) |
| 05:04.33 | Shadowed | and challenging is all stances |
| 05:04.34 | cladhaire | my warrior is level 11 |
| 05:04.45 | Shadowed | or they want you to die |
| 05:05.02 | Shadowed | you don't get any of the taunts until later I think |
| 05:05.22 | Drundia | yes, i heard some people have permanent taunt coming from them which mostly works on players.... |
| 05:05.45 | Drundia | s/mostly/only/ |
| 05:05.51 | Guillotine | I have permanent player taunt on my priest |
| 05:05.59 | Shadowed | it's called heal? |
| 05:06.16 | Guillotine | yup. and on my druid. its called moose antlers |
| 05:06.21 | subbawt | benediction |
| 05:06.33 | Shadowed | specifically why I went for a 1H/OH! |
| 05:06.38 | Thrae | Allakhazam also has the tooltip, no mention of stances for Taunt |
| 05:06.51 | Drundia | they just look at my exciting lowish mana and think: omg level 40 greens, own.... |
| 05:06.53 | subbawt | yeah i was so glad when i got rid of the benediction |
| 05:07.05 | subbawt | only took about a year |
| 05:07.16 | Thrae | Merry Christmas for America! |
| 05:07.26 | ag`_ | with this new honor system I am going to get rid of it in a week |
| 05:07.28 | Shadowed | you mean merry christmas for EST :p |
| 05:07.31 | Thrae | (+/- 7 minutes) |
| 05:07.36 | Shadowed | still 9:00 PST |
| 05:07.55 | Thrae | All of America is EST! |
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| 05:08.05 | Shadowed | Yeah, the crazy ones |
| 05:08.07 | Thrae | I just made it so. |
| 05:09.01 | Drundia | swatch internet time or whatever it's called ftw. so there should be christmas everywhere now |
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| 05:12.42 | Drundia | are they going to remove those silly ranks from messages and scorescreens sometime or not? |
| 05:13.02 | cladhaire | i hate being a sergeant |
| 05:14.00 | Drundia | or they could throw back hidden rank system :) |
| 05:16.18 | Drundia | i think i should post a suggestion to make new pseudoranks based on gear quality and adjust honor per kill also. better gear - higher rank - more honor. should be good. |
| 05:18.15 | cladhaire | heheh |
| 05:18.21 | cladhaire | it'd help their matching system =) |
| 05:20.08 | Kirov | But what do you base it on? |
| 05:20.13 | Drundia | or make effective level |
| 05:20.15 | Kirov | The gear they have on? |
| 05:20.22 | cladhaire | no |
| 05:20.23 | Kirov | The total of the gear they have. |
| 05:20.28 | cladhaire | they're basing it on banks, gear, equipped |
| 05:20.55 | cladhaire | and you can't mailbox decent items =) |
| 05:23.42 | Drundia | great, they reset honor estimates for "today" around 6.5k :\ |
| 05:24.01 | Drundia | anyone experienced that? |
| 05:24.26 | Drundia | or do they reset it every 12 hours? |
| 05:24.51 | Cairenn | For those that celebrate it, Merry Christmas from The Great White North, eh? |
| 05:25.11 | cladhaire | they always do |
| 05:25.13 | cladhaire | its a display issue |
| 05:25.18 | cladhaire | at 6.5 you go to 0 |
| 05:25.45 | Drundia | why does it happen? |
| 05:25.50 | cladhaire | no idea |
| 05:26.02 | cladhaire | just display tho |
| 05:26.22 | Drundia | just like in old times sometimes they didnt properly reset today's kill count during daily update.... |
| 05:27.03 | Drundia | tho i had 4.6k estimated both before and after last daily update. got added more.... they always have some silly bugs... |
| 05:27.43 | cladhaire | well two batthegroups didn't update last night |
| 05:27.46 | cladhaire | so it was a number of issues. |
| 05:28.28 | Drundia | the actual update in europe is at 23:50 UTC tho it may update pvp tab at any time |
| 05:29.00 | Drundia | so it's 0:50 igt in winter and 1:50 igt in summer (during daylight savings) |
| 05:29.29 | Drundia | but tab was bugged like always in some amount |
| 05:30.50 | Drundia | GetPVPSessionStats() returns bogus data apparently... |
| 05:31.09 | Shadowed | no, the data it returns is fine |
| 05:31.34 | Drundia | no |
| 05:31.42 | Drundia | it returns new reset 10-46 for me |
| 05:31.49 | Drundia | instead of whatever it should |
| 05:32.03 | Shadowed | We're you online when the reset happened? |
| 05:32.17 | Drundia | yes, at the end of AV |
| 05:32.34 | Shadowed | they probably didn't fix the bug where it doesn't reset correctly if you're online |
| 05:32.36 | Drundia | stayed online and stared on pvp tab and suddenly 10-25 |
| 05:33.03 | Drundia | but daily update happened quite a few hours ago |
| 05:35.44 | Drundia | hmmm, where do they put second return from GetPVPSessionStats() into UI? i see only setting of HK number in HonorFrame.lua |
| 05:35.54 | Shadowed | it's always been there |
| 05:36.06 | Shadowed | it should have been hk, dhk in 1.12 |
| 05:36.11 | Drundia | or i actually need to look in pvpframe.lua... |
| 05:36.13 | Shadowed | they no longer use HonorFrame though, it's now PVPFrame.ua |
| 05:36.15 | Shadowed | yeah |
| 05:37.30 | Drundia | GetPVPSessionStats() still returns bogus data |
| 05:37.43 | Shadowed | Works fine for me |
| 05:38.11 | Drundia | well, it's missing 6.5k, or more accurately about 2k honor.... |
| 05:38.41 | Shadowed | You realise it's an estimate and not the actual honor for the day? |
| 05:39.03 | Drundia | unsigned 16-bit integer storing tenths? |
| 05:39.32 | Drundia | good when estimate suddenly goes down by 6.5k, yesterday's stats also miss 6.5k, but the actual honor added is correct |
| 05:40.08 | Shadowed | It's an "estimate" it will never be correct, when the rollover happens it calculates the actual honor |
| 05:40.33 | Drundia | still doesnt justify overflow at 6.5k |
| 05:40.47 | Drundia | nor explains it |
| 05:41.18 | Drundia | weird displayed cap of 6553.5 |
| 05:42.16 | Drundia | too bad they dont count lifetime honor now |
| 05:43.34 | Shadowed | It's working fine from what I'm hearing from guildies |
| 05:44.03 | Shadowed | Except for the bug where after you go above 1,000 estimated it becomes 1... |
| 05:44.27 | Drundia | working yes. displaying no. API for today's and yesterday's honor amount returns bogus data |
| 05:44.33 | Drundia | reloadui solves that 1... for me |
| 05:45.32 | Drundia | for me also the number is unreadable every time it has more digits than the first time after reloading ui |
| 05:46.41 | Drundia | this is somewhat strange: PVPHonorTodayHonor:SetWidth(PVPHonorTodayHonor:GetWidth()) - it does like nothing? |
| 05:47.24 | Shadowed | Why would you expect it to do something? All you're doing is setting the width to the current width |
| 05:48.18 | Drundia | yes, that what they do there |
| 05:48.35 | Drundia | s/that/that's/ |
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| 06:19.22 | Iriel | Updated DevTools now available on WoWInterface -- Now with scrolling event trace frame! |
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| 06:24.34 | Mikord | Merry christmas my fellow coders :) |
| 06:25.26 | Cairenn | and to you Mikord :) |
| 06:27.56 | cladhaire | anyone willing to make an orc noobie on Stormrage and sign a charter for me? |
| 06:28.40 | Mikord | sure clad |
| 06:28.44 | cladhaire | =) |
| 06:28.57 | cladhaire | send a tell to "Raise" when you get in.. i'd appreciate it =) just need two more :P |
| 06:32.02 | cladhaire | 1 more.. anyone game? =) |
| 06:32.29 | Cairenn | sure, gimme a sec |
| 06:32.36 | Cairenn | that's live, right? |
| 06:32.40 | cladhaire | actually I think Mikord is doing it on a second account |
| 06:32.41 | cladhaire | =) |
| 06:32.47 | cladhaire | yeah, but hold off for a second |
| 06:32.49 | cladhaire | save you from opening wow =) |
| 06:32.50 | Cairenn | ah, okay then |
| 06:33.35 | cladhaire | thanks Mikord, Cairenn |
| 06:33.50 | Cairenn | hehehe, np ;) |
| 06:33.59 | cladhaire | actually |
| 06:34.03 | cladhaire | could you cairenn? =) |
| 06:34.04 | cladhaire | hehe |
| 06:34.07 | cladhaire | <3 a lot |
| 06:34.27 | cladhaire | yeah, stormrage live orc =) |
| 06:34.39 | cladhaire | grr |
| 06:34.39 | cladhaire | nvm |
| 06:34.44 | Cairenn | lol |
| 06:36.01 | cladhaire | all set |
| 06:36.03 | Guillotine | theres no way to unhook a function you hooked with securehookfunc, is there? |
| 06:36.07 | Cairenn | you sure? |
| 06:36.23 | Cairenn | cladhaire, I mean |
| 06:36.28 | cladhaire | Guillotine: Nope, you'd haev to "deactivate it" |
| 06:37.18 | Mikord | Does it matter if I delete that toon now clad? |
| 06:37.27 | cladhaire | hold off a second |
| 06:37.29 | cladhaire | if you dont mind =) |
| 06:37.30 | Mikord | kk |
| 06:37.33 | cladhaire | i just signed it.. and then deleted |
| 06:37.36 | cladhaire | screwing the charter L:P |
| 06:38.11 | Guillotine | interesting. it seems that hooksecurefun makes a local copy of whatever function you're sending it to? |
| 06:38.24 | cladhaire | aye |
| 06:38.31 | cladhaire | zomg |
| 06:38.40 | Iriel | yes, it basically creates a closure with the original function inside |
| 06:38.59 | Guillotine | hmm. so no real way to unhook it besides reloading ui |
| 06:39.04 | Iriel | correct |
| 06:39.13 | Guillotine | well, actually, you could put an if at the beginning of the entire function and have that look at a global var |
| 06:39.17 | cladhaire | aye |
| 06:39.17 | Guillotine | couldn't you? |
| 06:39.19 | Mikord | you can't use a flag? |
| 06:39.20 | Iriel | You can of course just make your function go inert |
| 06:39.21 | cladhaire | or an upvalue |
| 06:39.25 | Guillotine | right |
| 06:39.36 | Iriel | I'd use an upvalue for that purpose, it'd be faster than a global (and cleaner) |
| 06:39.37 | cladhaire | Mikord: Thanks, delete when ready |
| 06:39.52 | Mikord | ok clad. You're welcome |
| 06:40.11 | Guillotine | eh, whats an up value? |
| 06:40.14 | Mikord | True iriel. An upval would be a better choice |
| 06:40.28 | Iriel | a local from an enclosing scope |
| 06:40.29 | Corrodias | upval? |
| 06:40.37 | Corrodias | i'm slow! whee |
| 06:40.53 | Corrodias | i have no idea what a "local from an enclosing scope" is |
| 06:40.57 | Guillotine | me neither |
| 06:41.00 | Guillotine | at least I'm not alone |
| 06:41.56 | Iriel | local cat = "meow"; function XYZ() return cat; -- cat is an upvalue here; end |
| 06:42.04 | Mikord | upval = upvalue. http://www.lua.org/pil/27.3.3.html |
| 06:42.08 | Iriel | (Pretend there's a newline after each ;) |
| 06:42.13 | Iriel | each ; ) that is |
| 06:46.09 | Mikord | This is probably a better link. It describes closures and what an upvalue is as it relates. http://www.lua.org/pil/6.1.html |
| 06:46.28 | Mikord | The last one was more about C than lua |
| 06:46.41 | Mikord | sorry about that |
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| 06:57.31 | Guillotine | is there any easy way to browse through the built in sounds in WoW now that the MPQs are archived differently? |
| 06:58.10 | Mikord | I just extracted them. The may be an easier way though |
| 06:58.40 | Guillotine | hmm. using Blizz's extractor? |
| 06:59.42 | Mikord | Nah that just does the interface art/files. I used WinMPQ |
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| 07:01.16 | cladhaire | So who said that 150 riding skill was going to cost less soon |
| 07:01.22 | cladhaire | can anyone confirm that? |
| 07:02.22 | Shadowed | <-- |
| 07:02.25 | Shadowed | sec clad |
| 07:02.34 | Shadowed | http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/general-news/184/2-0-3-unofficial-beta-patch-notes |
| 07:02.35 | cladhaire | kthx =) |
| 07:02.38 | Mikord | Guillotine: If I recall most of the sounds are in the speech.mpq |
| 07:02.46 | Shadowed | they now cost 540g with the honored bonus |
| 07:02.58 | cladhaire | Shadowed: "now" as in when? |
| 07:03.02 | Shadowed | ..except that one doesn't have it |
| 07:03.16 | Shadowed | as in, 2.0.3 |
| 07:03.23 | Shadowed | the new cost should be on the PTR since thats 2.0.3 |
| 07:03.33 | Shadowed | aha http://www.worldofraids.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2574 |
| 07:05.19 | Guillotine | hmm. anybody know any good 'boing' sound included in WoW? I like the one at the beginning of that dwarf joke, but theres no way to isolate the boing sound :/ |
| 07:15.08 | cladhaire | edit it out |
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| 08:05.13 | Guillotine | well, I'm off to bead. gn all |
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| 08:08.29 | ckknight | hey all |
| 08:09.58 | Cairenn | hey ckknight |
| 08:10.09 | ckknight | how's things? |
| 08:11.31 | Garoun | sore throat on xmas day woot |
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| 08:12.20 | ckknight | Garoun: egg nog ftw |
| 08:14.14 | Cairenn | with a spike of rum mmmmmmm |
| 08:14.52 | Garoun | that doesn't do me any good :P have too much claritin in me |
| 08:15.11 | Garoun | it's like I miss one dose of claritin D and I immediately get sick |
| 08:15.19 | Cairenn | =( |
| 08:21.28 | Garoun | omg... lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgxayErS5As&eurl= |
| 08:21.38 | Garoun | The Ring, drama recut |
| 08:22.50 | ckknight | lol. |
| 08:23.16 | Garoun | so funny how different a video clip can be depending on teh cut |
| 08:23.42 | Imrcly | funny release that as the actual trailor then have the movie come out |
| 08:24.07 | ckknight | lol, Imrcly |
| 08:28.45 | Imrcly | goodnight |
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| 08:31.34 | Kaelten | merry christmas guys :) |
| 08:40.35 | Cairenn | Merry Christmas all, I'm about to head to bed and I'll not be around much tomorrow |
| 08:58.15 | Mike-N-Go | Hello |
| 08:58.50 | Mike-N-Go | I am trying to make an addon that was wrote for wow, before things were all protected. |
| 08:59.16 | Mike-N-Go | I mean, I am trying to make an addon work for the current wow from that |
| 09:00.57 | Mike-N-Go | It is WM_Hunter, and the Ignore/Disable box appears when ever I press one of the buttons, saying that is is being blocked from an action only available to the Blizzard UI. |
| 09:01.14 | Mike-N-Go | Any help on where I can start 0.o |
| 09:02.03 | Mike-N-Go | I got it to load after chaining the interface number, but I don't know where to go from here. |
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| 09:11.49 | Mike-N-Go | I don't get this shrinking thing when you tame beasts, lol. |
| 09:14.59 | Industrial | zomg red tachikoma's http://www.partanen.net/perjantai/064/ |
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| 09:35.03 | TheStig | is there any way to block guild invites should you find yourself guildless? |
| 09:36.30 | Industrial | http://wowace.com/files/ |
| 09:36.32 | Industrial | Automaton |
| 09:39.13 | TheStig | thanks |
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| 09:45.47 | Industrial | np |
| 09:48.54 | bleetah | good god, hit me. James Brown is dead (for real) |
| 09:53.10 | Elkano | jupp :( |
| 10:00.07 | vith | is it just me, or does blizzard's bittorrent updater thing suck |
| 10:01.28 | nevcairiel | its meant to run slow |
| 10:01.29 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 10:02.36 | vith | yeah, only problem with that is i have to drive ~100 miles to use broadband to download the patches every time |
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| 10:09.08 | Industrial | is wow playable without broadband? :S |
| 10:09.37 | Industrial | how are you not paying more for dialup then broadband... you can get ADSL here for 10 bucks a month |
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| 10:36.44 | vith | i play wow on 16.8kbps dialup |
| 10:37.04 | vith | and not by choice. can't get any broadband other than satellite there |
| 10:38.09 | vith | it's sort of playable, as long as i avoid IF/SW until 3am. otherwise it logs me out and logs me out again as soon as i log back in, too much data |
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| 10:44.41 | phreaky | Any1 know if there is an addon where u can ignore whispers that contains words that u can add to an "ignore list" ? |
| 10:46.44 | Mike-N-Go | I rember seeing one |
| 10:47.02 | Mike-N-Go | But what it is called escapes me |
| 10:47.16 | Mike-N-Go | Try looking for 'DND' or something at curse or wowi |
| 10:48.07 | phreaky | Hm okey thanks.. I'll try to find any.. been lookig before though.. |
| 10:49.47 | phreaky | I'd like to ignore whispers with www to avoid spam from goldsellers.. and maybe giving a reply that i ignore whispers with <ignored word> .. since most goldfarmers is autowhispering anyway and wont change |
| 10:50.10 | phreaky | and friends can type ww.w or something instead |
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| 10:53.00 | Qshadowp | surely you could do something like if (($chr(36) isin $1-) && (www. isin $1-) && (gold isin $1-)) { ignore person } |
| 10:53.08 | Qshadowp | just a lua equivilant (i don't code lua) :D |
| 10:53.15 | phreaky | Wish i could code lua =( |
| 10:53.25 | Qshadowp | i just can't be bothered to learn it, lol |
| 10:53.32 | Qshadowp | thats mIRC Script :P |
| 10:54.14 | Qshadowp | i got a new chair for christmas \o/ |
| 10:58.10 | Mr_Rabies2|away | kick it |
| 10:58.41 | Qshadowp | lol |
| 10:58.47 | Qshadowp | i found a lever and now it tilts back a little |
| 10:59.00 | Qshadowp | this is supposed to be chair of the year O.o |
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| 11:22.16 | Qshadowp | wtb office chair expert |
| 11:23.05 | zenzelezz | O_o |
| 11:36.50 | Mikma | Cair|Christmas: http://matin.maapallo.org/kuvatuuppari/kamut/2549/20061225.gif |
| 11:55.29 | Qshadowp | lol |
| 11:56.07 | Qshadowp | i got a new computer chair for christmas, supposed to be the chair of the year :P |
| 11:56.30 | Qshadowp | also a box of maltesers, my nan bought me pringles dippers (without the dip) and a chocolate santa |
| 11:56.33 | Qshadowp | :D |
| 11:58.30 | Gnarfoz | got a www.daskeyboard.com :D |
| 12:00.56 | Qshadowp | lol :P |
| 12:01.13 | Qshadowp | i have a G15, but i never look at the letters (apart from when i like looking at the pretty blue backlight.) |
| 12:01.35 | Gnarfoz | I almost never looked at the keys of my previous keyboards either |
| 12:01.46 | Gnarfoz | but the typing feeling is great on this one |
| 12:01.50 | Gnarfoz | mechanical switches and all |
| 12:01.57 | Qshadowp | :) |
| 12:01.59 | Gnarfoz | feels like one of those old IBM keyboards a bit |
| 12:02.20 | Qshadowp | http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products/details/US/EN,CRID=2166,CONTENTID=10717 |
| 12:02.23 | Qshadowp | i got one of those \o/ |
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| 12:06.37 | Gnarfoz | hmmm I don't like logitech's products other than their mice, somehow |
| 12:06.37 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 12:07.27 | Qshadowp | lol im quite a logitech fan, i use a logitech trackball (I'm innocent until proven guilty, don't shoot.) |
| 12:07.30 | Qshadowp | i actually prefer trackballs to mice :D |
| 12:07.45 | Qshadowp | much more accurate once you get used to them. |
| 12:07.52 | Gnarfoz | that's very much personal preference, I guess :) |
| 12:08.07 | Qshadowp | y :P |
| 12:08.24 | Gnarfoz | you don't have to hold a trackball still to make it not move the cursor though |
| 12:08.25 | Qshadowp | i get so many haters for playing counter strike with a trackball lol |
| 12:08.33 | Gnarfoz | that could come in handy when doing graphics work |
| 12:08.41 | Qshadowp | yea as i say its alot more accurate |
| 12:08.42 | Gnarfoz | hehe yeah I can imagine xD |
| 12:09.04 | Qshadowp | and its great for moving big distances fast, because you can just flick the ball and your at the other side of the screen :P |
| 12:09.11 | Qshadowp | and, you never run out of space on the table! |
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| 12:11.50 | Qshadowp | had the keyboard for a few months, finally got around to actually setting it up properly ;p |
| 12:12.02 | Qshadowp | its pretty cool because i've binded t he Gkeys on the left |
| 12:12.14 | Qshadowp | so i have G1-18, and keys 1-= binded :P |
| 12:12.26 | Qshadowp | extra keybindings ftw. |
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| 12:12.46 | Gnarfoz | I want an Optimus some day |
| 12:12.47 | Gnarfoz | :\ |
| 12:12.52 | Gnarfoz | the one with OLED keys |
| 12:12.52 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 12:13.43 | Gnarfoz | Qshadowp: http://www.artlebedev.com/everything/optimus/ |
| 12:14.09 | Gnarfoz | that's just the concept design, though. the actual implementation is still underway and probably won't look as shiny as the concept at first |
| 12:14.58 | Qshadowp | lol |
| 12:15.00 | Qshadowp | it looks damned nice |
| 12:16.05 | Qshadowp | if they had a few more programmable keys, i'd pay money for that board :P |
| 12:16.57 | Gnarfoz | I just hope the company does not go bankrupt over the damn thing, because on their project blog they already said the developement costs are way higher than they anticipated |
| 12:17.10 | bleetah | well, winterveil's a sellout... all my toons got the same stuff |
| 12:17.38 | Gnarfoz | lol |
| 12:18.11 | bleetah | AND |
| 12:18.13 | zenzelezz | didn't they say that keyboard will cost hundreds of dollars? |
| 12:18.21 | bleetah | what kinda santa gives out pressies that only last for a couple of weeks? |
| 12:18.31 | bleetah | oh.. yeah, most ;) |
| 12:28.50 | |FF|Im2good4u | can some1 explain how to make a sort of timed event ? like every 5 secs ? |
| 12:30.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | all i know of is chronos but i'm sure theres other libs that could help too :o |
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| 12:34.45 | |FF|Im2good4u | well i dont like to force ppl instalig a lib along whit addon there should be a quite simpel way it doesnt need tobe realtime anyway P |
| 12:35.35 | zenzelezz | if it was simple there wouldn't be libs for it |
| 12:35.44 | zenzelezz | but I think it involves OnUpdate and checking the elapsed time |
| 12:36.14 | |FF|Im2good4u | the big prob whit libs is that they always got to many functions |
| 12:36.22 | zenzelezz | no |
| 12:36.33 | zenzelezz | many do, but far from enough to make such a generalisation |
| 12:36.47 | |FF|Im2good4u | nayway il work on that later :P |
| 12:37.15 | |FF|Im2good4u | now i go this problem http://wowi.pastey.net/3989 somehow it keep "checked" (it looks unchecked) |
| 12:38.53 | Gnarfoz | |FF|Im2good4u: one of the ace2 libs has a function for that, I believe... their libs are embeddable, so there would be no need for users of your addon to install anything besides your addon |
| 12:39.33 | foxlit | EventLib.lua:2.21KB, 4 outward functions :P |
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| 12:55.37 | |FF|Im2good4u | can any1 help me on the prob |
| 12:55.57 | |FF|Im2good4u | my checkbox seems tobe checked but it shows up unchecked |
| 12:56.05 | |FF|Im2good4u | and u can uncheck it either |
| 12:56.14 | |FF|Im2good4u | http://wowi.pastey.net/3989 |
| 12:59.03 | Qshadowp | lol i love that snowball bug |
| 12:59.16 | Qshadowp | just camp in the deeprun tram and wait for someone to get on infront of you |
| 12:59.24 | Qshadowp | and spend the entire trip pelting them with snowballs |
| 12:59.28 | Qshadowp | tram speed > snowball speed |
| 12:59.35 | Qshadowp | so at the end, they get pelted with loads of snowballs :D |
| 13:00.24 | foxlit | Those don't stun unless you're in the thrower's group? |
| 13:00.37 | Qshadowp | nope |
| 13:00.50 | Qshadowp | still funny when they are running around like ...wtf there are snowballs coming out of the floor |
| 13:00.54 | Qshadowp | :D |
| 13:01.17 | |FF|Im2good4u | hehehe |
| 13:03.36 | |FF|Im2good4u | doesnt work qshadowp or do i have tobe off the tram ? |
| 13:03.57 | Qshadowp | the person has to be in the car infront of you |
| 13:04.06 | Qshadowp | so you have to be throwing at them in the direction the tram is going :P |
| 13:04.24 | Qshadowp | i'll film it |
| 13:04.25 | |FF|Im2good4u | ah oke :P |
| 13:04.38 | Qshadowp | :) |
| 13:05.12 | Qshadowp | wtf? |
| 13:05.16 | Qshadowp | i set up all my bongos buttons |
| 13:05.23 | Qshadowp | and i relogged and its scrambled half of them |
| 13:05.23 | Qshadowp | -.- |
| 13:05.42 | Industrial | ha-ha |
| 13:06.16 | Qshadowp | some of them have completely dissapeared |
| 13:06.19 | Qshadowp | power to the bongos :\ |
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| 13:06.49 | foxlit | Hm, did the gray level limits change? |
| 13:07.02 | foxlit | I seem to recall 48 being green at 60 |
| 13:07.52 | sergio | it's 54 i think now |
| 13:10.00 | |FF|Im2good4u | cool it worked Qshadowp |
| 13:10.26 | |FF|Im2good4u | still can anyhelp me fix my checkbox i mean its so simpel i dunno wuts wrong whit it |
| 13:11.19 | Qshadowp | :) |
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| 13:18.05 | |FF|Im2good4u | does any1 know wut happent the self:Get/SetChecked() in 2.0 since it seems tobe completely weird now |
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| 13:18.33 | |FF|Im2good4u | my button is checked and it retuerns a nil also i cannot check / uncheck it whit SetChecked |
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| 13:54.29 | KaoS` | emm what patch is wow downloading.. maybe that is from the beta. |
| 14:05.05 | VoidRaider|afk | Hmm guys, after few months I decided to play WoW again haha, what I should pick for a unit frame, I want something really simple :) |
| 14:05.35 | axxo | ag_uf |
| 14:05.37 | VoidRaider | Something like Gypsy :P |
| 14:06.05 | VoidRaider | Do you have a link ? |
| 14:06.14 | axxo | lazy |
| 14:06.18 | VoidRaider | ahh :/ |
| 14:06.23 | axxo | you i mean. |
| 14:06.26 | VoidRaider | haha |
| 14:06.29 | VoidRaider | :P |
| 14:06.38 | VoidRaider | Is that the full name :D |
| 14:07.03 | VoidRaider | since I ran a search haha :) |
| 14:14.03 | Tain | ag_unitframes |
| 14:14.31 | VoidRaider | haha I just found it haha, but thank you :P |
| 14:16.12 | VoidRaider | Does it comes with a configuration interface ? |
| 14:37.01 | Qshadowp | dam, i didn't get a pet snowman :( |
| 14:37.17 | Qshadowp | http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/5223/wow2006122514323612xp0.jpg FEEL THE WRATH OF MY ARMY OF PETS! |
| 14:37.38 | Thrae | Hmm, what did people do before mana conservation for healing? |
| 14:38.53 | VoidRaider | Guys is there any mod that is similar to WeaponRebuff ? |
| 14:43.39 | VoidRaider | Well I can't find a new version to it, I guess I'll redo it in friday :) |
| 14:45.06 | Industrial | Hows this hunter build? (While im leveling up) http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=mxbZqVVRVzuekx |
| 14:45.19 | Industrial | Also, nameplates are fun; http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/8233/wowscrnshot122506154357eg1.jpg |
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| 14:45.40 | axxo | beast mastery! |
| 14:46.09 | VoidRaider | Hmm Anyone know a good tooltip ? |
| 14:46.15 | Qshadowp | lol |
| 14:46.27 | Industrial | axxo: any tips welcome i know nothing about hunter :D |
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| 14:46.48 | Industrial | me at 16: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=cbZV |
| 14:47.09 | Thrae | Industrial: Is that a new feature for 2.0, nameplates for PCs? |
| 14:47.23 | zenzelezz | wasn't that 1.12 or something? |
| 14:47.35 | Industrial | all friendlies |
| 14:47.48 | Qshadowp | Cide any ETA on ctprofiles yet? :) |
| 14:54.06 | Industrial | the hunter builds on wowwiki are messed up/not 2.0 |
| 14:54.08 | Industrial | :( |
| 14:54.32 | Industrial | is there a wowwiki irc channel/ |
| 14:54.48 | Industrial | #wowwiki :D |
| 14:54.57 | VoidRaider | :D |
| 14:55.26 | sergio | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=VZVVbRVzhZcGhotc0uM <- my hunter build :o |
| 14:56.10 | Industrial | arent you warrior |
| 14:56.11 | Industrial | :P |
| 14:56.42 | sergio | nope |
| 14:56.46 | sergio | fuck warriors |
| 14:56.51 | sergio | they suck now |
| 14:58.37 | zenzelezz | that's odd, I still love my warrior, and I've heard no complaints from any of the other warriors in my guild |
| 14:59.46 | sergio | shrug |
| 14:59.49 | sergio | to each his own |
| 15:00.26 | sergio | i started playing my alt hunter because we stopped raiding out of boredom and i never really went back over break |
| 15:00.35 | sergio | i even have hwl gear now |
| 15:01.43 | End | lol, it says I got 1637 honor yesterday |
| 15:01.48 | Qshadowp | hmm |
| 15:01.51 | End | but it went up by about 8k |
| 15:01.52 | Qshadowp | im getting some dodgey bugs atm |
| 15:02.00 | Qshadowp | i have ice barrier on, but the graphics is not there. |
| 15:02.04 | Qshadowp | its in my buff bar tho :S |
| 15:02.14 | zenzelezz | I'm leveling a priest alt now since my guild won't raid much until BC, but I'm going straight back to the warrior when BC hits =) |
| 15:03.05 | Qshadowp | :P |
| 15:03.13 | Gnarfoz | ~seen tem |
| 15:03.37 | purl | tem <n=tardmrr@204.90.50.252> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 3d 17m 17s ago, saying: '1x[asston]'. |
| 15:03.37 | Qshadowp | im farming honor, ready to get epix |
| 15:03.37 | Qshadowp | :D |
| 15:04.32 | zenzelezz | that doesn't seem right... |
| 15:04.38 | zenzelezz | Dec 25 09:58:36 <<< Tem has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 15:07.41 | Qshadowp | is there any addon to stop that stupid annoying message "X Addon has been blocked from....." |
| 15:08.01 | axxo | bugsack |
| 15:08.29 | Qshadowp | its doing it with moveanything when i move the GameMenuFrame for no reason |
| 15:08.34 | Qshadowp | the move still works, the menu still works |
| 15:08.46 | Qshadowp | it just puts up that stupid annoying message every time i go to the main menu now :( |
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| 15:12.39 | KiphereCE | Merry Christmas if you practice it, happy present day if you dont ;) |
| 15:13.03 | Dezzimal | any idea how to make mIRC show the @ infront of people's nicks? |
| 15:13.45 | zenzelezz | "prefix names" or something like that |
| 15:14.15 | Dezzimal | show mode prefix might do it |
| 15:14.22 | zenzelezz | that would be the name |
| 15:14.47 | KiphereCE | whats it matter?!!?!! OPS ARE PEOPLE TOO! |
| 15:15.02 | KiphereCE | flex2 needs to come out, none of the other bar mods meet my specific needs. |
| 15:15.05 | Dezzimal | ops tend to !kb me if I'm a dick to them lol |
| 15:15.13 | Dezzimal | its gotten me in trouble a few times |
| 15:15.27 | Qshadowp | im useing bongos atm, the fan updated version of dab is buggy and the keybindings dont work :( |
| 15:15.41 | KiphereCE | Dezz: Try not being a dick to anyone, makes things safe. |
| 15:16.00 | Qshadowp | one good thing about christmas... |
| 15:16.03 | Qshadowp | Turkey! \o/ |
| 15:16.05 | KiphereCE | I bounced to trinity yesterday to mess with my new keyboard. |
| 15:16.15 | KiphereCE | and it doesnt save keybindings across sessions ;_; |
| 15:16.33 | Cide | Qshadowp: define 'eta on ctprofiles'? |
| 15:16.44 | KiphereCE | it's not that big a deal, only takes me about 1 minute to redo my special bindings but it's still frustrating. |
| 15:16.50 | Qshadowp | Eta = Estimated time of arrival |
| 15:16.58 | Cide | I'm aware |
| 15:17.01 | Qshadowp | was just wondering if you where updateing the CtProfiles addon yet :P |
| 15:17.23 | Qshadowp | KiphereCE i use bongos quite nicely with my G!5 |
| 15:17.28 | Cide | ctprofiles is a site, and has several components, which is why I asked |
| 15:17.37 | Qshadowp | the trick is to make there be 120 action bars, and drag each button to the correct location |
| 15:17.38 | Cide | dunno, within a couple of days would be my guess |
| 15:17.41 | Qshadowp | Cide i mean the addon :) |
| 15:17.46 | Qshadowp | cool, thanks :P |
| 15:18.16 | KiphereCE | I've always liked flex though, the group arrangement and general method of operation makes me happy. |
| 15:18.32 | KiphereCE | I hope they don't change it too dramatically with the new version |
| 15:19.33 | KiphereCE | on my druid I had anywhere from 16 to 27 buttons depending on what form and state I was in that all changed around, positions, bindings, and size in some cases. |
| 15:19.52 | Qshadowp | yea :) |
| 15:20.26 | KiphereCE | it should all be possible using the secure state headers, I wasn't doing anything that they blocked. |
| 15:20.28 | Cair|Christmas | Merry Christmas everyone :) Heading over to my folks' house for the day. Hope everyone has a fun day. :) |
| 15:20.33 | KiphereCE | but I know its gonna be a bitch for them to code. |
| 15:20.39 | zenzelezz | merry christmas Cairenn! |
| 15:20.49 | KiphereCE | Merry Christmas Cairenn :) have fun, I have toys to break in! |
| 15:20.50 | zenzelezz | bring us back food, k? |
| 15:20.58 | KiphereCE | SS or it didnt happen. |
| 15:21.12 | Cair|Christmas | mmmmmm turkey ..... |
| 15:21.30 | KiphereCE | flex is being developed on ace now right? |
| 15:22.59 | KiphereCE | hrm, it looks like theres a download for flex2 on wowace |
| 15:23.29 | zenzelezz | family's started their annual Lord of the Rings movie thing |
| 15:23.47 | zenzelezz | means I'm stuck down here or in the kitchen for a while |
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| 15:27.21 | Bouvi | Merry X-Mas to anyone on :) |
| 15:27.29 | zenzelezz | merry christmas |
| 15:27.50 | KiphereCE | happy holidays. |
| 15:27.52 | Bouvi | And if you are not an x-mas person merry Dec 25th |
| 15:28.02 | KiphereCE | I want flexbar in my stocking, this Flex2 thing sucks :P |
| 15:28.24 | Bouvi | I wanted a dozen supermodels but my wife did not get me that |
| 15:29.57 | xgravix | doh |
| 15:30.01 | xgravix | =( |
| 15:30.53 | Bouvi | However wife and I did get WoW gift cards so 2 months free plus enough best buy gift cards to order BC :) |
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| 15:32.31 | kaiden | Merry Christmas ya'll! |
| 15:32.42 | Bouvi | Merry X-Mas Kaiden |
| 15:33.06 | zenzelezz | supermodels, is that high-polygon models or something? :-o |
| 15:34.04 | Bouvi | Can anyone tell me what I did wrong. Why when I type hellow test it just does the .help thing. http://www.bouvi.com/ui/hello_world.zip |
| 15:34.18 | Bouvi | My code was checked so it must be something to do with the files. |
| 15:34.53 | kaiden | sure gimme a min |
| 15:35.24 | Bouvi | Thanks a ton. I am feeling like a noob. I can't figure it out and I have been programming since 84. |
| 15:35.38 | Bouvi | I also got an LUA book for X-Mas too lol |
| 15:44.05 | foxlit | Hm, battleground (L) flies around like crazy |
| 15:56.59 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:57.23 | foxlit | cgroups would keep groups, groups would be blanked, right? |
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| 16:08.35 | sergio | does anyone know if blizzard has hinted that they will offer TBC online and downloadable instead of just in B&M stores |
| 16:08.51 | sergio | i.e. buy the key+download a torrent |
| 16:08.54 | sergio | or whatever |
| 16:10.50 | Industrial | Bouvi: http://hellsblade.xs4all.nl:88/hello_world.zip |
| 16:14.20 | Bouvi | So what was wrong with it? |
| 16:15.08 | Industrial | message() doesnt exist |
| 16:15.17 | Industrial | you weren't getting an error? |
| 16:15.22 | Qshadowp | Christmas crits you for 10623. You die. |
| 16:15.36 | zenzelezz | Industrial: it exists on my client at least |
| 16:15.53 | Bouvi | All I got was type '/help' for a listing of a few commands |
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| 16:16.35 | Mikma | ag`: HAHA |
| 16:16.45 | Industrial | zenzelezz: really? its nil here :s |
| 16:17.11 | zenzelezz | /script message("hey"); |
| 16:17.41 | zenzelezz | gives me a dialog looking very much like the error dialog, except it says "hey" |
| 16:17.55 | Industrial | weird message is an empty table here |
| 16:18.09 | Industrial | bet its an addon that did that ;\ |
| 16:18.37 | haste | Industrial: You're doing it wrong |
| 16:18.55 | Industrial | NO U. haste; pastebin :D |
| 16:19.06 | Bouvi | I get [sting "message("hey");"]:1:attempt to call global 'message' (a table value) when I tyupe that in |
| 16:19.21 | haste | message is a function here |
| 16:19.29 | Industrial | ^^ |
| 16:22.08 | Industrial | so anyway you dont need xml anymore, and ; are obsolete/fugly :> |
| 16:22.32 | Bouvi | O.o hmmmm |
| 16:22.45 | zenzelezz | that's a matter of opinion and not something you should try to force others to use/not use |
| 16:23.41 | Bouvi | hehe I bet I was using ; in programming when you were in diapers :) |
| 16:23.43 | haste | ; is optional, not obsolete |
| 16:23.47 | Industrial | zenzelezz: obsoleteness of semicolons is a fact, I think they are fugly |
| 16:24.12 | zenzelezz | whether or not they're obsolete depends on how you write your code |
| 16:24.27 | haste | (stop using that word!) |
| 16:24.48 | Industrial | we all know what I mean untwist them panties |
| 16:24.56 | Industrial | :P |
| 16:24.57 | foxlit | ; isn't ugly either. |
| 16:25.48 | Bouvi | Well as long as I can still use them I will. Been using them for over 20 years. Why stop now. |
| 16:27.48 | Qshadowp | uhh. this is trange |
| 16:27.53 | Qshadowp | i dunno if its supermacro or bongos that bugged |
| 16:28.03 | Qshadowp | when i put macros on my bongos buttons, it shows them as not what they are |
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| 16:28.15 | Qshadowp | it shows the macro as the 1st macro, in my general macros. |
| 16:28.29 | Qshadowp | and if i click it it works just like it should, its just the name and the icon that is wrong :S |
| 16:29.01 | Qshadowp | might be supermacro, because it only happens with the supermacros |
| 16:30.28 | Industrial | where do I get snowballs for my red helper? |
| 16:30.45 | Qshadowp | Vendors in org, uc, if, or sw. |
| 16:30.58 | Qshadowp | they sell em for a few c |
| 16:31.00 | sergio | the goblins |
| 16:31.39 | Industrial | k |
| 16:32.43 | Qshadowp | hmm, is there a addon to manage the icons that macros have, its really starting to irriate me |
| 16:33.02 | Qshadowp | practically every macro i make works but the icon, and sometimes the label too is wrong |
| 16:33.25 | Qshadowp | like i have a anti totem macro which has the wrong icon, and i have a anti gold spam macro which has completely the wrong icon, and name :( |
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| 16:34.10 | nahkiss | Hey could anybody guide me with this, I'm trying to do a GUI-extension for already existing addon which has only slash commands and I was just wondering how I could execute those slash commands of the other addon from my addon? or could I directly call the other addon's functions from my addon? |
| 16:34.31 | Industrial | <I FARM OR MY FAMILY DIES> oh thats bad :< |
| 16:34.50 | Qshadowp | Industrial lol :< |
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| 16:38.10 | Qshadowp | Hmm, i have a red helper box, jingling bells, mechanical greench, chicken egg, dark whelpling, disgusting oozeling and snowman kilt. all in my bag |
| 16:38.15 | Qshadowp | does that make me a minipet whore? :D |
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| 16:38.43 | sergio | yep |
| 16:38.45 | sergio | slut |
| 16:38.48 | Qshadowp | :D |
| 16:42.35 | Qshadowp | oh i have ancient cornerstone grimiore too |
| 16:43.27 | Industrial | lol 300 snowballs |
| 16:43.36 | Qshadowp | i have about 5k stored on 2 mule alts |
| 16:43.37 | Qshadowp | :D |
| 16:44.38 | zenzelezz | should be worth about 5000 copper in six months, since everyone's stocked up |
| 16:45.28 | Qshadowp | lol im only stocked up so i can keep chucking them at people. |
| 16:48.26 | End | I stocked up last year and made quite a profit |
| 16:49.36 | axxo | UNIT_SPELLCAST_SUCCEEDED is that everyone or yourself? |
| 17:01.24 | Kaso | axxo everyone who you have a valid UnitID for nowadays |
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| 17:11.02 | VoidRaider|afk | Hmm UNIT_SPELLCAST_SUCCEEDED only for players |
| 17:11.07 | VoidRaider|afk | for yourself |
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| 17:12.29 | VoidRaider|afk | arg1 - "player" I made some analyst on the events if you want more info ... http://beta.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=291474&sid=2 |
| 17:16.44 | VoidRaider|afk | Hmm I just download TinyTip, anyone have issues with it ? it seems that few files are missing or something :) |
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| 17:53.38 | Industrial | How does a hunter pet's training points get calculated? |
| 17:54.16 | zenzelezz | level, loyalty IIRC |
| 17:57.13 | ag` | I can't remember, do I have to unregister an event myself or does Ace2 do it when you disable an addon? |
| 17:59.18 | ag` | bleh, wrong chat |
| 18:05.37 | TheStig | are there any simple addons that do what Archaeologist from cosmos does without having to load sea, mcom, and all that malarky? |
| 18:06.09 | ag` | what does the addon do? |
| 18:06.14 | ag` | archaeologist |
| 18:06.26 | TheStig | its hard to explain without a screenshot, so one sec |
| 18:07.43 | TheStig | http://i10.tinypic.com/2useql1.jpg |
| 18:08.03 | TheStig | see how the health and mana values are off to the side? like that |
| 18:08.15 | TheStig | but it does it for party, player, and target |
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| 18:13.16 | End | ctmod had or has something to do that |
| 18:13.33 | End | I think ctmod had a slightly larger gap though |
| 18:14.08 | TheStig | i just want something simple like a single lua file to keep performance high lol |
| 18:14.08 | ag` | I'd still suggest looking into the available unit frames |
| 18:14.21 | ag` | xperl, sage, aguf |
| 18:14.31 | TheStig | i don't like other unitframes because the elite dragons aren't on the enemy portraits |
| 18:15.00 | ag` | most unit frames will say "elite" next to the name/level of such mobs |
| 18:15.26 | Elkano | btw: why is vanCleef a rare elite? :/ |
| 18:15.36 | ag` | he is? :P |
| 18:15.45 | TheStig | right, but what catches your attention more, a big silver dragon for named mobs you run over or (Rare) in super tiny script? lol |
| 18:15.47 | Elkano | what's rare about that guy... |
| 18:16.12 | Elkano | SilverDragon's big "RARE MOB" message ;) |
| 18:16.37 | TheStig | i don't really zone in on that stuff, i'm always looking at a billion other things |
| 18:16.49 | TheStig | i really must have the default unit frames with text off to the side lol |
| 18:17.04 | TheStig | i guess i'll keep using archaeologist and its huge footprint libraries lol |
| 18:21.20 | ag` | well someone said a ctmod could do it |
| 18:21.37 | s000996 | and i mst sau those big dragons just look nice. i like to have some option to make stuff look good while not being cluttered at the same time. but that aint easy |
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| 18:22.46 | TheStig | indeed |
| 18:23.04 | TheStig | gots to have my dragons |
| 18:24.08 | vith | i'd like to see a glow on elites with aguf, and maybe make the glow pulsate for rares |
| 18:25.06 | vith | though i usually don't have any trouble noticing the text |
| 18:34.26 | Industrial | you dont need dragons |
| 18:34.32 | Industrial | elites have names |
| 18:34.39 | Industrial | elites are named mobs* |
| 18:34.45 | Industrial | and rares |
| 18:34.50 | Industrial | right/ |
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| 18:37.13 | thr | Hmm |
| 18:37.15 | thr | WHere can i find the |
| 18:37.21 | thr | XML code |
| 18:37.24 | Dwarik | i'm trying to put down my own collection as christmas project. Now i'm trying to provide some default settings different from the default settings of the mods. Is there a clean way to do this without hacking the mods themselves? |
| 18:37.31 | thr | for teh default chat frames? |
| 18:37.36 | haste | Let's |
| 18:37.37 | haste | all |
| 18:37.38 | haste | type |
| 18:37.40 | haste | like this |
| 18:37.51 | thr | sorry haste, chill a bit ;< |
| 18:37.52 | Dwarik | Industrial: elites arn't always named. ad it isn't about needed to have it, its about looking cool |
| 18:37.57 | haste | thr: http://wdn.wowinterface.com/ |
| 18:38.14 | thr | haste, ye I know the sourecode. |
| 18:38.17 | thr | but I can't find the actual file. |
| 18:38.24 | thr | or the actual code for it. |
| 18:38.34 | thr | Yes i've looked in the ChatFrame.xml, but that can't be it |
| 18:38.39 | thr | like 50 lines max. |
| 18:38.48 | Industrial | Dwarik: I think its cool when you dont need something :P |
| 18:38.49 | haste | FloatingChatFrame.xml |
| 18:39.07 | thr | thanks |
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| 18:42.34 | thr | Haste, what are the chatframs named? like CHAT_FRAME1? |
| 18:42.35 | thr | or |
| 18:42.36 | thr | ? |
| 18:42.39 | Industrial | ckknight_: hi |
| 18:42.40 | Gnarfoz | err... is the unit "player" not available when PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD fires? |
| 18:42.46 | ckknight_ | hey indie |
| 18:43.02 | haste | thr: ChatFrameX, but I'm leaving now, so no more answers :) |
| 18:43.06 | Industrial | ckknight_: it would be nice if Cartographer added an NPC's title/function to the note when you ask a guard |
| 18:43.28 | ckknight_ | thanks for volunteering to code it up. |
| 18:43.38 | ckknight_ | actually, I think kergoth was working on it |
| 18:43.41 | Industrial | cause "Ansekhwa" doesnt really say much ;x |
| 18:43.45 | Industrial | k |
| 18:45.25 | Industrial | other then that woohoo its great |
| 18:46.59 | Qshadowp | Christmas crits you for 65535. |
| 18:47.02 | Qshadowp | You die. |
| 18:48.32 | Cide | thr: honestly, he's right you know. type your messages on one line when possible |
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| 18:50.20 | Gnarfoz | Qshadowp: 16bit christmas? |
| 18:51.22 | thr | Cide: ye i know i'm just chatting ingame in wow at the same time and alt-tabbing, it gets a bit twitchy then sorry ;) |
| 18:52.35 | Qshadowp | Gnarfoz yes. |
| 18:52.48 | Gnarfoz | mine is 32bit with alpha transparency |
| 18:52.49 | Gnarfoz | :\ |
| 18:53.49 | zenzelezz | mine is lossy, bits and pieces seem to have vanished |
| 18:55.20 | Gnarfoz | jpg? |
| 18:55.42 | Gnarfoz | I hate forgetting an 'end' an then wondering why something stops working entirely |
| 18:55.43 | Gnarfoz | ;\ |
| 18:56.18 | Gnarfoz | ~seen tem |
| 18:56.34 | purl | tem <n=tardmrr@204.90.50.252> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 3d 4h 10m 14s ago, saying: '1x[asston]'. |
| 18:56.44 | Gnarfoz | :| |
| 18:56.59 | zenzelezz | my log says he was on this channel earlier today |
| 18:57.03 | zenzelezz | or someone by his name |
| 19:00.11 | foxlit | Does LUA break take the number of levels to break out of? |
| 19:00.16 | foxlit | i.e. break 2; |
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| 19:03.35 | Fisker- | ckknight profiles don't remember stuff like positions on fubar? :O |
| 19:03.43 | ckknight | mmm... they should |
| 19:03.48 | Fisker- | hmm |
| 19:04.00 | Fisker- | When i copied from one of my character it just added a bar and all the plugins |
| 19:04.15 | Fisker- | one of the bars were misplaced and the addons were just spread out everywhere like it was default |
| 19:05.57 | zenzelezz | hrm... the word "misplaced" reminds me of a somewhat fun Naxxramas raid o_O |
| 19:06.01 | Fisker- | err |
| 19:06.05 | Fisker- | i was wrong :P |
| 19:06.10 | Fisker- | i copied from default |
| 19:06.27 | Fisker- | but when copying from char now my fubar is just blank, all plugins are disabled and cannot be reenabled |
| 19:07.26 | |FF|Im2good4u | thne u should remvoe he saved variable :P |
| 19:07.36 | Fisker- | o hell naw |
| 19:07.47 | Fisker- | like suicide and stuff |
| 19:11.29 | zenzelezz | I doubt suicide would fix the issue |
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| 19:22.38 | Fisker- | i hate setting my stuff up again :( |
| 19:23.04 | Amro | who doesn't? |
| 19:24.08 | Qshadowp | lmao, i've started chargeing people for water |
| 19:24.17 | Qshadowp | tis getting annoying all the messages i get every time i go to a city |
| 19:24.31 | Qshadowp | "Make me 400 water" <-- wth |
| 19:28.46 | zenzelezz | [Party] [...]: sry my mom closed the game lol |
| 19:28.55 | zenzelezz | I have a feeling this will be an interesting team |
| 19:29.28 | Qshadowp | lol |
| 19:31.07 | Qshadowp | Can anyone help me with the SuperMacro addon? im getting some kind of weird bug, when i drag the macro icons onto my action bar what ever the macro is, the icon and text allways shows as the first regular macro. like if i have a macro in general macros called hello with a picture of a night elf, every single super macro that i put in my action bars will be a night elf labeled hello, but the macros work fine. |
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| 20:24.11 | Qshadowp | lmfao i joined arathi basin after it ended |
| 20:24.13 | Qshadowp | \o/ |
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| 20:41.45 | ckknight | anyone use Colloquy? |
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| 20:55.57 | foxlit | Hm, I think I'm done. |
| 20:56.06 | foxlit | At least as far as the proof of concept is concerned |
| 20:58.05 | foxlit | http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/7277/absortednx2.jpg |
| 20:59.35 | zenzelezz | what are we looking at in the picture? |
| 20:59.45 | foxlit | Automatic sorting of AB groups |
| 21:00.06 | foxlit | Round spots are people, colored according to their group |
| 21:00.14 | zenzelezz | aha |
| 21:01.12 | [Cu]Werik | :O You mean it automatically changes the groups to place the closest people together? |
| 21:01.19 | foxlit | Yes. |
| 21:01.45 | [Cu]Werik | hmm, I don't know. |
| 21:02.32 | [Cu]Werik | I mean, sounds like a border line case:) |
| 21:03.02 | Cide | that's perfectly fine |
| 21:03.15 | Cide | can only be done out of combat anyway |
| 21:03.18 | Industrial | ckknight: from your pm, I didnt mean to merge mining/herbalism but different people's db's |
| 21:03.28 | Industrial | for either, or both |
| 21:03.29 | Industrial | :) |
| 21:03.31 | ckknight | oh |
| 21:03.34 | ckknight | what do you mean? |
| 21:03.39 | foxlit | Cide: really? |
| 21:03.45 | ckknight | it shouldn't be hard to merge DBs |
| 21:03.54 | Cide | foxlit: yes |
| 21:03.56 | Industrial | k |
| 21:04.16 | ckknight | the keys represent the x/y coords and the value represents the type of herb/mineral |
| 21:04.29 | foxlit | Meh, wiki doesn't show SwapRaidSubgroup as protected |
| 21:10.06 | Guillotine | foxlit: if you make that addon, you will be my hero |
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| 21:12.56 | bleetah | Industrial: I think I came in on end of your convo, but merging different player's gathering data (ming, herb etc) is afaik a violation of ToS |
| 21:13.20 | bleetah | there was somerthing gatherer had at one stage, think it did similar, but it's not released due to ToS violation |
| 21:15.43 | Qshadowp | is there any command to add certain text to the line? |
| 21:16.11 | Qshadowp | so i could type /say *hits macro button* and it'd paste it into the chat box |
| 21:16.21 | Qshadowp | the idea being that i could have one macro to work on any chat :p |
| 21:16.45 | Guillotine | just put "hello" in the macro |
| 21:16.47 | Guillotine | then you open up the chat |
| 21:16.53 | Guillotine | e.g. type /guild |
| 21:17.00 | Guillotine | and press the macro |
| 21:17.05 | Industrial | bleetah: I know |
| 21:17.07 | Guillotine | and it goes into whatever is open |
| 21:17.11 | Industrial | bleetah: GathererShare still works though |
| 21:17.29 | Qshadowp | oh cool, thanks :D |
| 21:18.04 | bleetah | Industrial: is that for Gatherer addon? Probably will be broke in the next Gatherer release ;-) |
| 21:18.30 | Qshadowp | oOOO GATHERERSHARE |
| 21:18.46 | Qshadowp | lol i missed that addon :D |
| 21:19.36 | Industrial | bleetah: then is using an update tool for wowhead/thottbot against the ToS too? |
| 21:20.38 | Gnarfoz | actually, it was never against the ToS, but norganna asked if blizzard had anything against it and they said they had, so support for GatherBook (which was the addon in question) was ended |
| 21:20.54 | Gnarfoz | (just like with BottomFeeder. why that one is back in auctioneer is beyond me.) |
| 21:21.25 | bleetah | BttomFeeder, and in fact even the search auction function, were dubious |
| 21:21.56 | bleetah | just bottomfeeder was more blatant... when Blizz introduced the required hardware event for an AH purchase, Bottomfeeder used that new API and became BottomScanner |
| 21:22.11 | kergoth | bottomscanner makes you agree that you wont run it while you're afk in order to use it |
| 21:22.14 | kergoth | which is amusing |
| 21:22.31 | foxlit | Why not check? |
| 21:22.34 | bleetah | kergoth: that was a hangover from the bottomscanner days of code, it's gone in the current beta |
| 21:22.38 | foxlit | UnitIsAFK("player") :P |
| 21:23.24 | bleetah | I wonder what blizz said to norgs that they found objectionable |
| 21:23.49 | bleetah | Industrial: if that said tool downloads stuff that violates ToS, then, yes, probably |
| 21:24.35 | Guillotine | technically, thottbot/alla ARE against the ToS |
| 21:24.44 | Industrial | there see :D |
| 21:25.03 | Guillotine | of course, it seems blizzard doesn't object to it much at all |
| 21:25.18 | Guillotine | but thats why you won't see it as an official FSP despite the fact that it is likely the most commonly used WoW site |
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| 21:30.40 | foxlit | You agree that you will not (i) modify or cause to be modified any files that are a part of the Program or the Service; (ii) create or use cheats, bots, "mods", and/or hacks, or any other third-party software designed to modify the World of Warcraft experience; or (iii) use any third-party software that intercepts, "mines", or otherwise collects information from or through the Program or the Service. Notwithstanding the foregoing, you |
| 21:30.45 | foxlit | That part? |
| 21:31.34 | Guillotine | yup |
| 21:31.42 | Guillotine | "or otherwise collects information" |
| 21:33.00 | nevcairiel | but its not considerd third-party, since its an addon, or? |
| 21:33.25 | foxlit | Wouldn't the issue there be that it's _somebody else's_ addon? |
| 21:33.45 | foxlit | But the last part of that is also odd. |
| 21:33.46 | Gnarfoz | it's not only an addon, nevcairiel |
| 21:33.54 | foxlit | "Ignore everything above if Blizzard syas it's okay" |
| 21:33.58 | Gnarfoz | both WoWReader and the thottbot client datamine the client's cache files |
| 21:34.05 | foxlit | s/ya/ay/ |
| 21:34.05 | nevcairiel | they do? |
| 21:34.08 | Gnarfoz | they do |
| 21:34.33 | nevcairiel | i didnt know that :) |
| 21:34.59 | Gnarfoz | there's even a post by thott around somewhere where he says he doesn't like it, but in order to stay competetive he implemented it anyway |
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| 21:39.59 | Fisker- | Gnarfoz but that's neither the client nor the service |
| 21:40.09 | Gnarfoz | huh? |
| 21:40.19 | Fisker- | the cache files are not part of the client |
| 21:40.23 | Gnarfoz | they sure are |
| 21:41.00 | Fisker- | then i'd like to know their definition of a client |
| 21:41.02 | Gnarfoz | just like using the \data\ folder to override models was not allowed because it was 'modifying' game files |
| 21:41.15 | Fisker- | that's another thing |
| 21:41.38 | Gnarfoz | how? the folders don't even exist if you don't create them yourself - how can they be part of the client :D |
| 21:42.00 | Fisker- | why they fixed it |
| 21:42.13 | Fisker- | and it's still modifying it due to the way the client works |
| 21:42.18 | Fisker- | the client does not need the cache files |
| 21:42.22 | Fisker- | it does need the data files |
| 21:42.38 | Industrial | ZING |
| 21:42.45 | Industrial | so that includes savedvariables |
| 21:43.07 | Fisker- | It's the same as saying cookies from a website is part of the Internet Explorer client imo |
| 21:43.07 | bleetah | my client needs the cache files. i disconnect on zoning into a major city if I don't have them ;-) |
| 21:43.11 | Gnarfoz | the client needs the cache files, why else would the client create them each time? oO |
| 21:43.32 | Fisker- | Because it can cache things? |
| 21:43.45 | bleetah | cache files of any type, currently exist in a gray area of (C) law |
| 21:43.51 | Fisker- | The EU client currently has a bug that prevents it from making cache files unless you make the directories yourself |
| 21:43.55 | Fisker- | and the client works fine without |
| 21:44.05 | Gnarfoz | 'fine' is kind of an overstatement |
| 21:44.08 | Gnarfoz | and: if you start the launcher |
| 21:44.11 | Gnarfoz | it will create them |
| 21:44.20 | Gnarfoz | that has been fixed like 3 days after 2.0.1 |
| 21:44.34 | Fisker- | so noones WoW in EU worked for the first 3 days? |
| 21:44.37 | bleetah | ah, so that was the launcher update? was wondering that ;-) |
| 21:44.53 | bleetah | Odd thing was, as soon as I created the cache dir |
| 21:45.07 | bleetah | I fired up WoW, and the cache files appeared. I don't think I even logged in. |
| 21:45.29 | Gnarfoz | Fisker-: I did not say 'not working', I said working would be an overstatement. the client had to pull stuff from the server it would normally cache, which lead to severe performance issues in like... cities |
| 21:45.40 | bleetah | i'm pretty sure that's what happened. anyways, lead me to think there was something being cached elsewhere, maybe in the .mpq's, and that dir only seperates the cache out |
| 21:45.44 | Fisker- | i had no issues to speak of |
| 21:45.53 | Fisker- | only issues i had was ui and ui memory |
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| 21:57.49 | Mike-N-Go | How long does wintervill last? |
| 22:01.01 | End | another week or two at least |
| 22:02.04 | Qshadowp | hmm, downloaded a mod with a folder called __MACOSX, i assume i don't exatract this since im useing windows? |
| 22:02.25 | Tierrie | oh no i broke wowi |
| 22:02.32 | Qshadowp | ow noes! |
| 22:02.32 | Tierrie | nope still working |
| 22:02.36 | Qshadowp | yay \o/ |
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| 22:06.00 | Guillotine_Ghost | this is a very wierd bug. whenever I log into my priest, I lose connection to IRC |
| 22:06.02 | Guillotine_Ghost | not sure what it is |
| 22:06.12 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+v Guillotine] by ChanServ |
| 22:06.28 | zenzelezz | priests are too imba if they're allowed to communicate with people |
| 22:07.42 | Corr[discon] | YES. |
| 22:08.25 | Tierrie | ok so more leveling or should I work on the mod |
| 22:08.27 | Tierrie | how do you guys decide! |
| 22:08.29 | Tierrie | oh gnoz |
| 22:08.59 | Corrodias | "<Gnarfoz> that has been fixed like 3 days after 2.0.1" -- yeah, too bad we're still stuck with 2.buggy.1. |
| 22:09.16 | Tierrie | hey |
| 22:09.21 | Tierrie | why are you picking on my addon :( |
| 22:09.38 | Corrodias | people in here always choose coding over playing |
| 22:09.40 | Gnarfoz | Corrodias: huh? no, that has been fixed for live, too |
| 22:09.51 | Gnarfoz | you just have to start the launcher instead of wow.exe |
| 22:09.59 | Gnarfoz | it will create the necessary directories |
| 22:10.04 | Corrodias | i see. they updated the launcher? |
| 22:10.09 | Gnarfoz | they did |
| 22:10.21 | Corrodias | (although i'm still annoyed that we're limping along on 2.0.1) |
| 22:10.42 | Gnarfoz | yeah that kind of sucks :> |
| 22:10.53 | Gnarfoz | I want to have a working rampage when I hit 50 |
| 22:11.02 | Gnarfoz | and one that only costs 20 rage instead of 30, too :\ |
| 22:11.19 | Corrodias | and i want to be able to self-cast again |
| 22:11.25 | Corrodias | with my usual method, i mean |
| 22:11.51 | zenzelezz | what method is that? |
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| 22:12.03 | zenzelezz | uh oh |
| 22:12.15 | Corrodias | press alt+shift+1 to self-cast shift-1 |
| 22:12.31 | Corrodias | (without setting up macros for every button, i mean) |
| 22:14.34 | Qshadowp | lol that keylogger on ui.worldofwar.net was C:\ntldr with no file extension wasn't it? |
| 22:15.00 | nevcairiel | no |
| 22:15.06 | nevcairiel | c:\ntldr is your NT Loader |
| 22:15.08 | Corrodias | it's similar |
| 22:15.11 | nevcairiel | the windows boot manager :P |
| 22:15.20 | Qshadowp | lol ok :P |
| 22:15.23 | Corrodias | just replace "that keylogger on ui.worldofwar.net" with "essential file to boot windows" |
| 22:15.34 | Qshadowp | haha :P |
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| 22:19.24 | Qshadowp | they sorted me out though :) |
| 22:19.53 | Corrodias | go look in your system32 directory. if you don't recognize something, delete it. |
| 22:19.58 | Corrodias | see how far you get! it's like a game! :D |
| 22:20.35 | foxlit | Haha |
| 22:20.37 | Qshadowp | lol Corrodias :P |
| 22:21.15 | Qshadowp | nah its not that, i saw a post on the wow forums claiming it was a file called ntldr.exe in your C:\ , which is kinda strange considering ntldr isnt a exe |
| 22:21.39 | Qshadowp | then i saw it there, asked ui.worldofwar.net people on there IRC and they said thats what it was, so i deleted it :P |
| 22:21.47 | Qshadowp | stupid ui.worldofwar.net people -.- |
| 22:21.56 | Corrodias | ntldr.exe is not the same as ntldr |
| 22:22.02 | Qshadowp | Corrodias yup. |
| 22:22.08 | Corrodias | LEARN |
| 22:24.03 | Qshadowp | oh well kinda funny anyways |
| 22:36.39 | Tierrie | is there an event that fires when the Raid Icon changes? |
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| 22:42.39 | foxlit | They're not really called raid icons, are they? |
| 22:43.37 | foxlit | RAID_TARGET_UPDATE |
| 22:44.06 | foxlit | http://www.wowwiki.com/Events/R |
| 22:44.36 | Qshadowp | purl, save foxlit |
| 22:44.37 | purl | ACTION runs into a burning building and saves foxlit from certain death. Is that enough? |
| 22:47.29 | foxlit | thank you purl |
| 22:47.36 | Qshadowp | :) |
| 22:47.46 | Qshadowp | hmm, i wonder if its legal to marry a bot in some countrys. |
| 22:48.06 | Guillotine | lol |
| 22:48.18 | Qshadowp | it'd be cool if it was :D |
| 22:48.32 | Qshadowp | "i married to purl, the bot" :D |
| 22:49.10 | Gnarfoz | my current char is called 'bot' |
| 22:49.11 | Gnarfoz | ;D |
| 22:49.41 | Qshadowp | :D |
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| 22:54.33 | Tierrie | thanks Fox |
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| 23:06.36 | Guillotine | I just created the greatest addon in the history of ever in about 30 seconds. http://wow.curse-gaming.com/en/files/details/5571/bouncersanonymous/ |
| 23:07.03 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 23:07.08 | AnduinLothar | crack |
| 23:07.32 | End | haha |
| 23:07.42 | End | that's great |
| 23:07.53 | Tierrie | O_O |
| 23:07.59 | Qshadowp | LMFAO im downloading that |
| 23:08.03 | Tierrie | i modded it up |
| 23:08.11 | Qshadowp | i think theres another one that wins though |
| 23:08.13 | End | what's it do? hooksecurefunc on Jump()? |
| 23:08.20 | Qshadowp | theres one that puts writeing like a comic book while your attacking stuff |
| 23:08.28 | Qshadowp | "KABOOM" "KAPOW" etc.. |
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| 23:09.19 | Qshadowp | anyone that knows how to use Grid mind walking me through how to set up Grid as a decurseing grid for mages? :D |
| 23:09.26 | Corrodias | hmmm.... Qshadowp, do you play on the alliance? probably human or night elf as a main? |
| 23:09.35 | Corrodias | maybe gnome, probably not dwarf |
| 23:09.37 | Qshadowp | i play a human mage :( |
| 23:09.47 | Corrodias | those are the worst bounce offenders |
| 23:09.55 | Corrodias | you people and your bouncing all over |
| 23:09.55 | Qshadowp | hehe :P |
| 23:10.19 | Qshadowp | Guillotine i just thought of a update |
| 23:10.25 | Qshadowp | can you make it count how many times you jump? |
| 23:10.27 | Tierrie | what happens if you set alpha to > 1? |
| 23:10.33 | Guillotine | Qshadowp: ya |
| 23:10.39 | Zicon | Bouncy bouncy? |
| 23:10.44 | Industrial | Tierrie: it jumps out of your scree |
| 23:10.45 | Industrial | n |
| 23:10.45 | Qshadowp | yay! Guillotine go make it count :P |
| 23:10.56 | Guillotine | lol |
| 23:11.03 | Qshadowp | that'd win |
| 23:11.04 | Tierrie | you should have it count and by the logout session it should print in big huge letters "YOU HAVE JUMPED 8741872 THIS SESSION LOSER" |
| 23:11.09 | Guillotine | too bad you can't set how load a sound is |
| 23:11.13 | Guillotine | loud* |
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| 23:11.20 | Qshadowp | lol |
| 23:11.20 | Guillotine | make it play slightly louder every time you jump |
| 23:11.50 | zenzelezz | make the PC speaker beep, starting at a low frequency and rising each jump |
| 23:12.09 | Guillotine | haha |
| 23:12.12 | Guillotine | can't do that :( |
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| 23:12.18 | Qshadowp | lol |
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| 23:12.48 | Guillotine | alright, I'll have it count now |
| 23:12.53 | Qshadowp | Corrodias i have a button on my G15 purely to spam the space key :D |
| 23:13.03 | Qshadowp | power to the g15 macros |
| 23:13.14 | Guillotine | I jump on everything |
| 23:13.22 | Guillotine | NE, gnome, tauren, dwarf |
| 23:13.42 | zenzelezz | I jump on gnomes all the time |
| 23:13.46 | zenzelezz | with my human |
| 23:14.09 | Mike-N-Go | Oh, that is one cool addon, Guillotine! |
| 23:16.00 | End | I jump the most on tauren |
| 23:16.21 | End | maybe that's because my tauren is the only one that raids, since I jump more when I'm bored |
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| 23:16.26 | zenzelezz | I like jumping repeatedly with my troll, looks like he's trying to fly |
| 23:16.30 | End | lol |
| 23:16.34 | Qshadowp | :P |
| 23:16.37 | foxlit | Announcing add-on-assisted battleground domination: PvPShuffle [http://wow.curse-gaming.com/en/files/details/5573/pvpshuffle/] (in other words, it's stable now -- go test if you want to :P) |
| 23:16.40 | Qshadowp | anyone that knows how to use Grid mind walking me through how to set up Grid as a decurseing grid for mages? :D |
| 23:16.52 | Mike-N-Go | Guillotine: How about this, you have it send tell to a secret channel, where people compete on the server for who has jumped the most :) |
| 23:16.54 | bleetah | i like to jump on my NE hunter, because it makes me look like a wannabe noob |
| 23:17.09 | bleetah | s/on/as/ |
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| 23:17.27 | Guillotine | Mike: I don't like using channels. Maybe I'll have it post your count in the guild addon channel |
| 23:17.44 | Mike-N-Go | Whatever :P |
| 23:17.57 | bleetah | lol yeah |
| 23:17.58 | Mike-N-Go | Sounds like a good joke addon, lol. |
| 23:18.00 | [Cu]Werik | harr harr |
| 23:18.02 | bleetah | great idea |
| 23:18.02 | Qshadowp | Guillotine did you make it count how many times you jump yet? |
| 23:18.13 | Corrodias | in the Horde, very few people jump a lot |
| 23:18.21 | Guillotine | Qshadowp: no, after this AV :P |
| 23:18.31 | Qshadowp | ok :D |
| 23:19.21 | End | oh YOUR FACE! |
| 23:19.27 | Qshadowp | lol i think hordes are starting to hate me in my battlegroup allready |
| 23:19.39 | Qshadowp | they run through groups of alliance now, just to try and kill me \o/ |
| 23:19.46 | Gnarfoz_ | ~seen tem |
| 23:19.54 | purl | tem <n=tardmrr@204.90.50.252> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 3d 8h 33m 34s ago, saying: '1x[asston]'. |
| 23:19.54 | Corrodias | why's that? |
| 23:20.07 | End | ~seen Gnarfoz_ |
| 23:20.10 | purl | gnarfoz_ is currently on #wowi-lounge (2m 55s) #wowace (2m 55s). Has said a total of 3 messages. Is idling for 24s, last said: '~seen tem'. |
| 23:20.12 | Qshadowp | Corrodias i keep on doing /moo at every tauren i see |
| 23:20.23 | Gnarfoz_ | End: wtf? oO |
| 23:20.24 | Gnarfoz_ | ;D |
| 23:20.27 | End | :P |
| 23:20.36 | Qshadowp | lol |
| 23:20.48 | Qshadowp | purl, emulate Qshadowp |
| 23:20.50 | purl | ~poke purl |
| 23:20.53 | Qshadowp | \o/ |
| 23:21.00 | End | ~emulate purl |
| 23:21.01 | purl | ACTION tries to look like herself. |
| 23:21.14 | End | oh? purl is a she? |
| 23:21.17 | End | interesting... |
| 23:21.33 | End | OMGZ A GURL |
| 23:21.51 | zenzelezz | now you scared away Cairenn |
| 23:22.02 | Qshadowp | dam, that bg addon looks pretty cool |
| 23:22.05 | Qshadowp | i'll use that one :p |
| 23:22.10 | Guillotine | Qshadowp: make an addon that scans all nearby tauren and /moos at them |
| 23:22.15 | Guillotine | though it wouldn't really be usable in combat |
| 23:22.27 | Guillotine | I suppose you can take the target of nearby allies and do that |
| 23:22.57 | zenzelezz | call it Automootic |
| 23:23.23 | Qshadowp | lol |
| 23:23.30 | Qshadowp | i can't code lua as of yet :p |
| 23:23.36 | Qshadowp | itd be funny if someone did that though, i'd use it xED |
| 23:23.41 | Qshadowp | xD* |
| 23:25.01 | Guillotine | alright, thats my next addon. It'll scan nearby allies and, if their target is a tauren, /moo at them |
| 23:25.19 | Guillotine | or just if you mouseover a tauren maybe |
| 23:25.21 | Guillotine | that might be easier |
| 23:25.29 | Qshadowp | why not just scan all nearby hordes? |
| 23:25.39 | Guillotine | can't do that anymore with target being protected |
| 23:25.47 | Qshadowp | :( |
| 23:25.56 | Qshadowp | i like the mouseover idea |
| 23:26.03 | Qshadowp | mouseover a tauren to /moo at them, in battlegrounds. |
| 23:26.14 | zenzelezz | make it auto-moo on target change if the new target is a tauren :-o |
| 23:26.24 | Qshadowp | that too |
| 23:26.43 | Corrodias | making yourself an annoyance to everyone around you isn't a way to make friends <3 |
| 23:26.57 | Qshadowp | lies. |
| 23:27.01 | zenzelezz | who said it was an addon to make friends? =D |
| 23:27.04 | Qshadowp | lol |
| 23:30.49 | Qshadowp | you so have to right that now Guillotine |
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| 23:31.23 | End | hmm, beta seems to have a different toc version |
| 23:31.27 | End | not that I'm surprised |
| 23:32.17 | Guillotine | zenzelezz: mind if I take the name "Automootic"? |
| 23:32.26 | zenzelezz | not at all =) |
| 23:32.43 | Qshadowp | yay \o/ |
| 23:32.59 | End | that's a pretty nifty name :P |
| 23:33.06 | Qshadowp | yea :D |
| 23:33.46 | Guillotine | trying to figure out how to not make it spam it when you mouseover the same person more than once |
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| 23:33.58 | bleetah | omg... hunters don't die at end of FD on the PTR (original 2.0.1 patchnotes said it was going to happen in 2.0.1, but as we know, lots of things in the original patchnotes weren't)... so, I wonder if 2.0.3 includes all the changes that didn't appear on live? |
| 23:33.58 | Guillotine | maybe have a database and reset only when you die or they die |
| 23:34.01 | Qshadowp | im no lua coder but i code other stuff |
| 23:34.14 | zenzelezz | add a variable of when you last said anything and check how long has elapsed perhaps |
| 23:34.15 | Qshadowp | on mouseover set variable-therename 1 |
| 23:34.25 | Qshadowp | timer reset variable 1 minute later |
| 23:34.38 | Qshadowp | wouldn't that work? |
| 23:35.01 | Guillotine | then you'd have 20 seperate timers |
| 23:35.09 | Guillotine | which I don't really want |
| 23:35.31 | Qshadowp | lol ok :P |
| 23:35.40 | Qshadowp | you could just do on target then Guillotine :D |
| 23:35.42 | bleetah | still got the annoying guild recruitment bug tho |
| 23:35.55 | Guillotine | no, I'll do it on mouseover and reset whenevery they die or you die |
| 23:36.29 | Qshadowp | Anyone wrote one of these mages decurseing grid things i've been hearing about yet? |
| 23:36.48 | Tierrie | Grid + Clique |
| 23:37.00 | Qshadowp | Oo |
| 23:37.06 | bleetah | hmm, also, my beard has grown |
| 23:37.17 | Qshadowp | but i don't want something so long and complicated |
| 23:37.30 | Qshadowp | i just want a simple bunch of boxes, and if the person is cursed the box changes color |
| 23:37.31 | zenzelezz | bleetah: guild recruitment bug? |
| 23:37.35 | Tierrie | its not complicated |
| 23:38.01 | bleetah | zenzelezz: 'autojoin' guild recruitment trying to join me to the channel and 'already on channel' error being spammed in chat |
| 23:38.11 | Qshadowp | lol ok Tierrie :P |
| 23:38.14 | zenzelezz | oh |
| 23:41.12 | Industrial | Qshadowp: make it yourself, its not hard |
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| 23:42.32 | Qshadowp | Industrial havn't found the time to learn lua yet :p |
| 23:42.36 | Corrodias | is Grid something you'd use in conjunction with perfectraid or are you all just traitorous worms under my boots? |
| 23:42.37 | Industrial | if you can already program then lua is a piece of cake, and we have this channel and wowwiki.com for the wow api and live help :D |
| 23:43.04 | Qshadowp | Industrial all your mIRC scripts are belong to us :P |
| 23:43.12 | Industrial | nuuuuuu not mirc :( |
| 23:43.19 | Industrial | you are doomed forever |
| 23:43.20 | Qshadowp | lol |
| 23:43.25 | Qshadowp | :( |
| 23:45.50 | Qshadowp | hmm, curse is refuseing to send me that PvP Shuffle addon |
| 23:46.23 | Qshadowp | aha, i clicked the backup mirror rather than select fastest and it worked. |
| 23:46.40 | Corrodias | WELL? answer my question! |
| 23:46.40 | AnduinLothar | i wish you could set it to autosellect the fastest mirror |
| 23:47.01 | Qshadowp | Corrodias idk, i only just installed the thing |
| 23:47.11 | AnduinLothar | grid is a grid of customizable unit frame buttons |
| 23:47.17 | AnduinLothar | it's fairly blah |
| 23:47.42 | AnduinLothar | and you just use clique to customize what it does when you click the buttons |
| 23:47.42 | Qshadowp | AnduinLothar blah blah. |
| 23:48.06 | Industrial | Corrodias: correct |
| 23:48.21 | Industrial | Corrodias: I mean, false |
| 23:48.44 | Industrial | Corrodias: Grid and PerfectRaif are afaik both raid frames and both capable fo showing who can be cured by what class :) |
| 23:48.45 | Guillotine | AnduinLothar: wish forwarded to santa |
| 23:49.27 | AnduinLothar | just seems kinda dumb when you click 'Download Now' that you have to click to select a mirror |
| 23:49.47 | AnduinLothar | and it's not like you care where you're downloading from as long as it's fast |
| 23:50.03 | Industrial | yeah like on sourceforge |
| 23:50.47 | Industrial | they should have a 'direct link to zip of latest version' stuck on top of every project download page in SF |
| 23:51.00 | Cide | Industrial: as far as I know, you're wrong |
| 23:51.03 | AnduinLothar | yes plx |
| 23:51.11 | AnduinLothar | downloading from sourgeforge is a pain in the ass |
| 23:51.17 | Cide | CT_RaidAssist has done that since version 1 |
| 23:51.43 | Qshadowp | this addon is so cool :D |
| 23:52.38 | Industrial | Cide: um yeah, but Corrodias asked about Grid and PerfectRaid |
| 23:53.03 | AnduinLothar | didn't there used to be user uploaded compilations on itunes... where did those go? |
| 23:53.07 | Cide | I misread your message, sorry |
| 23:53.09 | Industrial | np :D |
| 23:53.12 | Qshadowp | Tierrie its complicated :( |
| 23:53.24 | Corrodias | i see |
| 23:53.27 | Cide | I read "the only raid frames capable ..." |
| 23:53.32 | Industrial | right |
| 23:54.11 | Industrial | Does anyone have experience with google code? I need to delete a download but I can only flag it as deprecated |
| 23:54.20 | Industrial | google code project hosting* |
| 23:56.54 | Qshadowp | Anyone here who knows how to setup grid + clique to be a mages decurseing grid? :) |
| 23:57.36 | Tierrie | set up clique to cast decurse on right click |
| 23:57.44 | Tierrie | done |
| 23:57.51 | Zicon | qshadowp: If I download WoW, install it, wait an hour for my poor laptop to load it, and figure it out for you, will you shut the frell up? |
| 23:58.15 | Qshadowp | lol, i was only asking, chill out Zicon :P |
| 23:58.35 | Qshadowp | Tierrie not quite sure on how to do that one |
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| 23:58.51 | Qshadowp | i got clique open, and i can see that its picked up the GridLayoutPartyHeaderUnitButton1 |
| 23:59.01 | Qshadowp | just got no clue on what to do next |
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