| 00:03.42 | xgravix | do the trial of amazon prime free shipping for a month |
| 00:04.15 | xgravix | i do it every holidy |
| 00:04.17 | AnduinLothar | don't they have free shipping on things over $50 anyway? |
| 00:04.20 | xgravix | holiday |
| 00:04.32 | xgravix | i dunno... prime is free 2-day |
| 00:04.51 | AnduinLothar | w/e normal ground will get it here by 22nd |
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| 00:24.32 | KiphereCE | ahoyhoy |
| 00:25.10 | KiphereCE | I had most of my shopping done in august :p |
| 00:26.07 | AnduinLothar | you prolly sleep at 11pm too, eh? |
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| 00:30.45 | KiphereCE | I'm in bed before 11pm any night before work. |
| 00:30.50 | KiphereCE | and at work by 6am. |
| 00:31.09 | KiphereCE | weekends I do whatever but I'm always up before 7am no matter what time I go to sleep :p |
| 00:31.29 | AnduinLothar | and you never procrastinate... and pay your bills early |
| 00:31.34 | KiphereCE | nope. |
| 00:31.44 | AnduinLothar | [] |
| 00:31.48 | KiphereCE | actualy I'm horrible about procrastinating, forget bills all the time |
| 00:31.56 | KiphereCE | can't keep my desk or office organized, etc. |
| 00:32.13 | KiphereCE | I know my limitations. |
| 00:32.22 | KiphereCE | if I stay up too late I'll be shitty the next day |
| 00:32.29 | AnduinLothar | dusting.. i hate dusting |
| 00:32.30 | KiphereCE | I 'have' to be at work so I prefer not to be shitty. |
| 00:32.54 | KiphereCE | I just have a set internal clock and i don't like to jack with it. |
| 00:33.02 | KiphereCE | the rest of me is as left handed as ya get :P |
| 00:33.22 | AnduinLothar | i sleep when i get tired, and wake up when I'm done sleeping |
| 00:33.41 | KiphereCE | I don't have that luxury and havnt since the summer when I was 13. |
| 00:33.50 | AnduinLothar | unless of course silly things like work and classes get in the way |
| 00:33.59 | AnduinLothar | then i just dont sleep |
| 00:34.12 | AnduinLothar | and then crash for a weekend and never wake up |
| 00:34.18 | KiphereCE | the summer I was 14 I was working over the legal limit with a waiver and I've been employed since then. |
| 00:34.33 | AnduinLothar | that explains it |
| 00:34.46 | AnduinLothar | I've been avoiding actually working since i was 14 |
| 00:34.51 | KiphereCE | at least one job frmo 14-15, at 16 I got 2, three during the holidays |
| 00:35.18 | KiphereCE | I had a 1 month 'break' after I graduated where I quit my jobs for a month then went to boot camp. |
| 00:35.27 | AnduinLothar | >.< |
| 00:35.39 | KiphereCE | 4 years in the army, got out on a friday, drove to texas, started work at Lockheed on a monday, been here ever since. |
| 00:35.56 | AnduinLothar | ok, you win. I'm gonna go back to being lazy |
| 00:36.06 | KiphereCE | lol, I'm lazy trust me ;) |
| 00:36.17 | AnduinLothar | uh huh, suuuure |
| 00:36.21 | KiphereCE | work is work. |
| 00:36.24 | KiphereCE | you need money to get thigns. |
| 00:36.25 | KiphereCE | I like things |
| 00:36.28 | KiphereCE | so I work |
| 00:36.48 | KiphereCE | its a neccesary evil, I'm also married and have 12 furry children. |
| 00:37.30 | AnduinLothar | ... where's peter pan, i need to figure out how to get to never never land |
| 00:37.37 | KiphereCE | 4 ferrets, 5 cats (soon to be four if one doesnt gtfo of my xmas tree) and 3 dogs. |
| 00:38.45 | KiphereCE | I need an Iriel :p |
| 00:39.30 | KiphereCE | or anyone I guess, anyone have a super simple example file for the securepiebuttons ? something extremely basic I could look at to give me an idea of where to start? |
| 00:39.45 | AnduinLothar | no dice |
| 00:39.55 | AnduinLothar | he hasn't made an example yet |
| 00:40.13 | KiphereCE | I seem to be the only person really that interested. |
| 00:40.25 | KiphereCE | I have a fan menu mod I wanna try but I dunno how or if you can define the radius from the 'center' for your buttons. |
| 00:40.25 | AnduinLothar | i find pie menus a challenge to use quickly |
| 00:40.42 | KiphereCE | the functionality of the ones I'm wanting to make are for non essential things. |
| 00:41.35 | KiphereCE | seals/blessings that don't get used frequently but you want em 'semi on demand' totems you don't use frequently, hunters various tracks, 'maintenance macros' like feedpet, poisons, etc. |
| 00:42.10 | KiphereCE | and eventually I wanna make a multi level on demand radial menu that mimics the NWN interface for my friend |
| 00:42.49 | AnduinLothar | wheee, amazon.com wins. I just bought all but 2 of my presents... |
| 00:43.11 | KiphereCE | I drew up a design concept for a buncha addons I wanna make at work today and forgot to put the damn files up on my ftp server |
| 00:43.15 | Cairenn | awwww, Yogi Bear died! |
| 00:43.21 | KiphereCE | eh? |
| 00:43.26 | AnduinLothar | the voice? |
| 00:43.33 | Cairenn | the creator |
| 00:43.37 | AnduinLothar | oi |
| 00:43.47 | KiphereCE | hanna barbara? |
| 00:43.55 | Cairenn | yeah :( |
| 00:44.00 | KiphereCE | ouch, |
| 00:44.07 | KiphereCE | thats more than just yogi |
| 00:44.15 | Cairenn | I know |
| 00:44.27 | Corrodias | but none of it any good except yogi |
| 00:44.36 | Corrodias | bear > all |
| 00:44.41 | seebs | Well, the time I put in getting WoW running under Linux has just paid off. |
| 00:45.02 | seebs | You know the thing where, when you alt-tab, Windows takes about 3-5 seconds to get the screen back? |
| 00:45.12 | seebs | On my Linux setup, it's instantaneous. Flip flip flip. No hassle. |
| 00:45.29 | KiphereCE | which one died though? |
| 00:45.31 | Corrodias | if you're running it full-screen at a different resolution |
| 00:45.33 | KiphereCE | Hanna or Barbara |
| 00:45.37 | KiphereCE | barbera~ |
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| 00:46.54 | seebs | Everything involved has always been 1600x1200, 60Hz. |
| 00:47.07 | seebs | But for whatever reason, on Linux, the switch is instant. Not even a monitor refresh. |
| 00:47.09 | seebs | YAY! |
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| 00:47.16 | Corrodias | :) |
| 00:47.36 | KiphereCE | grats |
| 00:47.39 | seebs | I think I lose some framerate, but honestly, it's fast enough anyway, and I could always not insist on having the camera in the next zone over. |
| 00:47.41 | foxlit | People actually play in fullscreen mode? :) |
| 00:47.47 | KiphereCE | I hate windowed. |
| 00:47.59 | KiphereCE | thats why I have a second computer on my desk |
| 00:48.04 | seebs | So now I get to try to remember what I was gonna work on next that made me think it was time for CVS. |
| 00:48.06 | Corrodias | i choose a window |
| 00:48.38 | KiphereCE | I control two PCs with 1 keyboard/mouse with a software sort of kvm |
| 00:48.47 | seebs | Neat. |
| 00:48.53 | KiphereCE | yeah its nice. |
| 00:48.58 | seebs | I have a KVM too, but it takes time to switch systems. |
| 00:49.04 | KiphereCE | this is seamless. |
| 00:49.08 | JoshBork1 | synergy! |
| 00:49.22 | KiphereCE | you move your mouse off the screen and it jumps to the other pc automatically and your keyboard controls whichever pc the mouse is currently on |
| 00:49.25 | seebs | Of course, the irony is, now that I have an actual UNIX system, I don't need to be able to switch away, because I can just log in from another box, edit files, and /reloadui without leaving WoW. |
| 00:49.27 | seebs | Oh, cool. |
| 00:49.42 | KiphereCE | it acts like a dual monitor set up fro all intents and purposes but its acutaly 2 machines |
| 00:49.46 | AnduinLothar | does synergy work in fullscreen? |
| 00:50.05 | AnduinLothar | i've used it for two macs before |
| 00:50.41 | AnduinLothar | but i don't think it had screen swap |
| 00:51.09 | Kirov | I had problems using synergy in full screen |
| 00:51.15 | KiphereCE | I'm using ThinkDesks Multiplicity |
| 00:51.16 | Kirov | it'd always kick wow out |
| 00:51.33 | KiphereCE | its got a trial you sould mess with it if you have 2 machiens. |
| 00:51.49 | KiphereCE | it was a blast twoboxing my shaman/priest in groups no one knew i was because I coudl swap so fast |
| 00:51.49 | AnduinLothar | i don't anymore. I bought a quad core instead |
| 00:52.00 | AnduinLothar | and a 2nd monitor |
| 00:52.21 | KiphereCE | I'm hopefulyl gonna pick up a 30+ inch widescreen early next year. |
| 00:52.34 | KiphereCE | waiting for CES and some new product launches so I can get a discount on last years dells :p |
| 00:52.38 | AnduinLothar | oi, yeah. I would if i had the cash.. but that requires work |
| 00:52.50 | AnduinLothar | already blew my gadget wad this yr |
| 00:53.54 | JoshBork1 | AnduinLothar: buy me anything nice? :-D |
| 00:54.23 | AnduinLothar | a can of whoopass |
| 00:54.35 | AnduinLothar | any progress on raid casting bars? |
| 00:54.49 | Bouvi | I get to open that can alot and people pay me for it. |
| 00:57.15 | JoshBork1 | AnduinLothar: no because i can't figure out how to do the stupid GUI for the configuration |
| 00:57.44 | JoshBork1 | wooohhoooo! my current GPA gets me honor cords for graduation! |
| 00:58.13 | Guillotine | honor cords? can you buy l33t epix with them? |
| 00:58.26 | Guillotine | their far too hard to get for casuals though |
| 00:58.34 | Tain | wtb honor cords pst |
| 00:58.37 | JoshBork1 | they're like keys to get into uber raiding guild |
| 00:58.45 | JoshBork1 | it's an attunement quest |
| 00:58.59 | KiphereCE | wtf 6[Honor Cord]6 |
| 00:59.02 | Guillotine | its for raiders though. blizzard needs to think about the casuals for once |
| 00:59.19 | Guillotine | I only play real life for 3 hours a day, I don't have time to get them |
| 00:59.57 | AnduinLothar | i got good grades this qtr, but last year kicked my ass down to a flat 3.0 |
| 01:00.02 | JoshBork1 | shhh, don't tell anyone, but i bought a guide online ;-D |
| 01:00.20 | Guillotine | they should put a cap on the GPA so that hardcore real-lifers don't get the rewards too quickly |
| 01:01.22 | KiphereCE | wts 6[Lexus] |
| 01:01.30 | KiphereCE | epic mount |
| 01:02.04 | JoshBork1 | i want a Volkswagen Beetle. i heard it was legendary |
| 01:02.28 | KiphereCE | heh 14[VW Bug] |
| 01:02.33 | JoshBork1 | :-( |
| 01:02.37 | JoshBork1 | i heard wrong it appears |
| 01:02.58 | JoshBork1 | almost done burning my naruto anime |
| 01:03.00 | JoshBork1 | then i'm off |
| 01:03.19 | KiphereCE | Naluto is gleatest ninja of arr time |
| 01:03.28 | JoshBork1 | i liked rk better |
| 01:03.33 | KiphereCE | I've never seen either. |
| 01:03.37 | Cairenn | JoshBork1: many would dispute that you are off already |
| 01:03.47 | KiphereCE | score. |
| 01:04.06 | JoshBork1 | :-( |
| 01:04.13 | Tain | Yeah but Naruto can't go super saiyen level one million |
| 01:04.16 | JoshBork1 | but you still lubs me |
| 01:06.48 | KiphereCE | anyone know a good plugin for flash to do particle diffusion effects? :p |
| 01:08.55 | KiphereCE | purle, illidan |
| 01:08.58 | KiphereCE | oops |
| 01:09.01 | KiphereCE | purl, illidan |
| 01:09.14 | purl | ACTION is NOT prepared! |
| 01:09.20 | KiphereCE | :D |
| 01:09.41 | KiphereCE | That cinematic gives my inner geek a funny pants feeling |
| 01:09.51 | Bouvi | Same |
| 01:10.07 | Bouvi | tkdbb5th |
| 01:10.09 | JoshBork1 | bye all |
| 01:10.15 | Cairenn | later JoshBork |
| 01:11.33 | KiphereCE | ya look pretty, I like ya hair, here's a drink, are ya ready now? |
| 01:11.39 | KiphereCE | I love that emote. |
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| 01:14.45 | KiphereCE | HI NYMBIA |
| 01:14.57 | seebs | ... What's that emote from? |
| 01:15.07 | KiphereCE | its one of the dorf /flirts |
| 01:18.21 | Tain | I hate this damn commercial, I want to find the woman who made it and slap her. "You agreed not to buy each other anything. But he knows the translation, he'll buy you a diamond necklace and you'll find it in his hiding spot and make sure it's up to snuff.' |
| 01:18.57 | seebs | Wow. |
| 01:19.00 | seebs | That is really sick. |
| 01:19.28 | Cairenn | >< |
| 01:19.46 | Tain | It's from Sears I think |
| 01:19.59 | Tain | But that's the actual commercial. It makes me want to hit something. |
| 01:21.17 | Cairenn | at least that's one thing my hubby will never have to worry about |
| 01:21.23 | Cairenn | <== doesn't like diamonds |
| 01:25.15 | seebs | I don't think I'd still be married if either of us were that dishonest. |
| 01:25.24 | seebs | (Not you, the person in the ad.) |
| 01:25.48 | Cairenn | yeah, that's pretty sleazy |
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| 01:26.22 | Garoun|Loupana | my g/f doesn't like diamonds either |
| 01:26.34 | Cairenn | much prefer coloured gem stones |
| 01:26.40 | Garoun|Loupana | yep |
| 01:26.48 | Garoun|Loupana | anyone can pick out a diamond |
| 01:27.01 | Garoun|Loupana | but you actually have to work to pick out a good looking colored gem :) |
| 01:27.02 | xgravix | or things with acutal utility |
| 01:27.14 | Cairenn | mind you, good coloured gem stones can cost as much or more than diamonds |
| 01:27.31 | Tain | I had a rock tumbler when I was a kid. |
| 01:27.50 | Guillotine | now I have to scan in this dilbert strip for you guys. its exactly how I feel about diamonds |
| 01:28.21 | Tain | haha the one where Dogbert gets a sack of them? |
| 01:29.17 | Guillotine | yup |
| 01:29.36 | Garoun|Loupana | hehe 'extended' maintanence again tomorrow, can't wait to see the bitching threads on that |
| 01:29.48 | xgravix | crap what are they going to do |
| 01:30.17 | xgravix | addon not allowed to modify on-screen graphics? |
| 01:30.44 | Garoun|Loupana | the usual probably, reboot the servers clean up some code, reset all xgravix's honor, refresh teh mob spawns... you know, the usual |
| 01:31.00 | Tain | It really is a big scam. Debeers the company created an artificial demand for diamonds through a successful marketing scheme. |
| 01:31.04 | xgravix | they will probably take all my gold too =( |
| 01:31.26 | Garoun|Loupana | I've been laughing my ass off at the Mervis commercial |
| 01:31.37 | xgravix | just laugh at the people who buy diamonds |
| 01:31.51 | xgravix | you can play a lot of WoW for one diamond =P |
| 01:31.53 | Garoun|Loupana | about how the movie Blood Diamond came out and they wanted to assure people that their diamonds aren't tainted with blood |
| 01:32.00 | Guillotine | can't find the comic in my dilbert book :/ you can search for it online :P |
| 01:32.09 | foxlit | Hm. |
| 01:32.15 | cladhaire | I wear conflict free diamonds, but buy conflict-laden oil |
| 01:32.19 | foxlit | Why is it that every third hordeling in AV is a warlock? |
| 01:32.28 | Tain | It was only in the 1930s that people started buying diamond engagement rings because of advertising. |
| 01:32.29 | xgravix | cos locks rule this patch |
| 01:32.31 | Guillotine | b/c warlocks > all |
| 01:32.52 | seebs | A friend of mine always says he wants to see an honest ad campaign for diamonds. |
| 01:32.57 | Tain | I saw one. |
| 01:33.01 | Tain | IT was on The Family Guy. |
| 01:33.05 | seebs | "New, improved! Now only 30% likely to be mined by slave labor." |
| 01:33.22 | xgravix | buy these worthless carbon crystals and make us suuuuupah rich! kthx! |
| 01:33.51 | Tain | You know when they did the diamond ads in silhouette? |
| 01:34.16 | seebs | Yeah. |
| 01:34.31 | Tain | The Family Guy did one with a silhouette of a guy giving a girl a diamond, and then you see the girl kneeling down and going down on the guy. With a caption of, "She'll pretty much have to." |
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| 01:34.52 | a-stray-cat | there a grep style thing for windows? |
| 01:35.11 | KiphereCE | ~:3 |
| 01:35.14 | purl | It's still a kitty! douche. |
| 01:35.16 | Garoun|Loupana | astrogrep |
| 01:35.30 | KiphereCE | -_-;; |
| 01:36.04 | seebs | straycat: Get cygwin. |
| 01:36.29 | Tain | I really like WinGrep from www.wingrep.com, but it is shareware. |
| 01:36.39 | Tain | But it's the best Windows based one that I've personally used. |
| 01:37.17 | KiphereCE | the gym drained me. |
| 01:37.30 | KiphereCE | I was lookin forward to messin around with pie buttons tonight and now I cant make myself start. |
| 01:37.36 | Corrodias | i use InfoRapid Search & Replace |
| 01:37.39 | Bouvi | I still like pie |
| 01:37.45 | KiphereCE | ~pie |
| 01:37.47 | purl | Mmmmmm PIE! |
| 01:37.47 | Garoun|Loupana | I use Astrogrep mainly because it's opensource |
| 01:37.49 | Corrodias | for my text searching needs... but i don't think you can pipe output into it. |
| 01:38.18 | a-stray-cat | thx all |
| 01:38.21 | a-stray-cat | i will check those out ;o |
| 01:38.23 | Garoun|Loupana | and it has support for opening the code in a text editor to the line you want to edit (if it supports it) |
| 01:42.01 | KiphereCE | Anyone in here particularly handy with photoshop/other graphics programs in regards to making custom graphics, liek say, filigre(sp) or lattice work? |
| 01:42.30 | KiphereCE | need some tips, all my stuff is lookin pretty bad lol |
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| 01:49.51 | KiphereCE | I suppose I could gank the images from somewhere :p |
| 01:51.10 | Cairenn | KiphereCE: define "looking pretty bad" |
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| 01:52.26 | KiphereCE | it looks like a 5 year old with an exacto knife attacked a peice of cardboard. |
| 01:52.30 | KiphereCE | then added a bevel. |
| 01:52.48 | Cairenn | *snicker* okay, yeah, that's bad |
| 01:53.00 | KiphereCE | the stuff aroudn the WoW icon at the top of the forums. |
| 01:53.05 | KiphereCE | thats the general 'concept' I'm going for. |
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| 01:53.15 | KiphereCE | I wanna build some pretties for my screen |
| 01:53.17 | Corrodias | i'm good at becoming frustrated and giving up. |
| 01:53.43 | KiphereCE | Once i sink my teeth into something like this I don't give up :p |
| 01:54.00 | KiphereCE | I 'will' write a full UI replacement set for WoW, it'll just take me a while. |
| 01:54.32 | Garoun|Loupana | I can't express pre-planning and design enough if you really want to do that :) |
| 01:54.40 | KiphereCE | shoulda been in here earlier :) |
| 01:54.53 | Garoun|Loupana | lol |
| 01:54.55 | KiphereCE | I've already got design documents drawn up (visual and expected functionality) for most of what I want |
| 01:55.09 | KiphereCE | prelimenary (sp) anyway |
| 01:55.14 | KiphereCE | I'm sure as I learn more I'll modify my goals |
| 01:55.51 | KiphereCE | I'm not in the mindset to work with the pie buttons or playerframe stuff right now so I figured i'd work with soem graphic design and I"m bombing at it. |
| 01:56.06 | Garoun|Loupana | wait a minute, I didn't notice that and maybe it's what rabies was talking about |
| 01:56.12 | KiphereCE | I have no idea what technique to start with on this. |
| 01:56.14 | Garoun|Loupana | they nerfed the hell out of my Ido of Ferocity |
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| 01:57.17 | Garoun|Loupana | speak of the devil |
| 01:57.55 | Corrodias | the jersey devil was reported to be sighted numerous times in 1909 |
| 01:58.48 | Tain | That makes sense, New Jersey is hell. |
| 02:02.32 | KiphereCE | anyone know a good photoshop 'tips' site? |
| 02:02.52 | Corrodias | the only tip i know is to get someone else to do it for you |
| 02:02.57 | KiphereCE | I might try this in fireworks, I work better with vectors anyway |
| 02:03.13 | KiphereCE | that goes against what i'm after Corrod ;) |
| 02:03.26 | KiphereCE | I can download mods to do almost everything I want (cept my fan menu) |
| 02:03.38 | KiphereCE | and I can nab the graphics that look near to what I want and edit em a lil |
| 02:04.04 | KiphereCE | this is more a learning thing for me than a functionality thing. |
| 02:04.15 | Corrodias | it's my only tip, sorry :( |
| 02:04.27 | Tain | It depends on exactly what you're trying to do. There's so much to Photoshop. |
| 02:04.36 | KiphereCE | it's ok, you're of limited resources... I understand. |
| 02:04.38 | KiphereCE | ;) |
| 02:04.39 | KiphereCE | jk |
| 02:04.50 | KiphereCE | I'm trin to create filigree, or 'latticework' |
| 02:05.02 | KiphereCE | ala the graphics bordering the WoW icon at the top center of the forums. |
| 02:05.04 | KiphereCE | trying~ |
| 02:05.05 | Corrodias | i'm very limited of patience and talent |
| 02:05.16 | KiphereCE | I've got both if I get results. |
| 02:05.42 | KiphereCE | so far I'm getting results, its like a puzzle for me to figure out hwo to make all this shit work so it keeps me interested. |
| 02:06.24 | Tain | Oh I got nothing to suggest there. I'm decently adequate with photo touch ups, and some graphic editing, but not creating something from scratch. |
| 02:06.38 | KiphereCE | well, I do a pretty good flame |
| 02:06.44 | KiphereCE | and I can make decent looking lightning from scratch |
| 02:07.36 | KiphereCE | I do good with graphic manipulation. |
| 02:08.23 | Tain | That's the thing. There's so many completely different things you can do there's no one place for Photoshop tips. |
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| 02:12.10 | KiphereCE | yeah |
| 02:12.14 | KiphereCE | and googling gets me nothin |
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| 02:16.46 | Drafur | www.good-tutorials.com |
| 02:16.56 | Drafur | it's considered THE one place to get tutorials from :) |
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| 02:20.23 | Corrodias | i need to write a ballad about a historically significant event from within the last 2 years. any ideas for a topic? |
| 02:20.34 | Corrodias | i don't know much about events |
| 02:20.49 | Drafur | write it about the bombing of the bus in the UK |
| 02:22.09 | Corrodias | i guess i'll have to learn about that, first |
| 02:22.12 | Cide | ctprofiles is back up if someone cares |
| 02:22.13 | Drafur | oogh |
| 02:22.18 | Drafur | oh, here's another one... .:P |
| 02:22.40 | Drafur | An Indian runner at the Asian Games failed a gender test. CNN's Satinder Bindra reports. (December 18) |
| 02:22.49 | Corrodias | journalists are amusing: "Bomb bus driver tells of moment he feared ..." -- the "bomb bus" |
| 02:23.18 | Corrodias | how do you fail a gender test? :o |
| 02:24.48 | Gnarfoz | you tell people you are one sex while you are actually another? |
| 02:25.20 | Corrodias | i would rather expect the result to be "male" or "female", not... "failed!" |
| 02:26.29 | Gnarfoz | if the testers expect a certain result and the tested one does not give that result, he failed the test, whatever his actual result may have been |
| 02:26.37 | Gnarfoz | ... is my guess on that |
| 02:27.03 | WrK`off | nn |
| 02:27.27 | Tain | Write a ballad about the heroic victory against Ragnaros. |
| 02:27.28 | Cairenn | night WrK`off |
| 02:27.46 | WrK`off | concurrency:P |
| 02:27.47 | Corrodias | this music professor would not consider that historically significant |
| 02:27.58 | Corrodias | as far as i'm aware, nothing has happened in 2 years |
| 02:28.56 | KiphereCE | Corrodias, they totally ruined the WoW macro system, write about that! |
| 02:29.05 | KiphereCE | and Blizzard hates addons |
| 02:29.08 | KiphereCE | all of them. |
| 02:29.18 | KaoS` | lol |
| 02:29.57 | KiphereCE | now here is a story bout a guy named slouken, poor blizzard programmer only writes when he's token~ (beverly hillbilly's theme) |
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| 02:31.56 | KiphereCE | ok, so I'm stealing my latticework instead of creating it. |
| 02:32.08 | KiphereCE | I found 2 tutorials, both are outside my artistic ability. |
| 02:32.22 | KiphereCE | and I'm not spending the next month working on my 'technique' for some UI bling. |
| 02:32.40 | foxlit | Don't underestimate the importance of bling. |
| 02:32.45 | Gnarfoz | iBling |
| 02:32.50 | Corrodias | "Kenya: State to Popularise Male Circumcision -- The Ministry of Health (MOH) is seeking ways of promoting male circumcision as a way of reducing HIV infections." |
| 02:32.51 | KiphereCE | oh, I'll still get bling. |
| 02:32.56 | Corrodias | news flash: Kenya doesn't know shit! |
| 02:33.14 | KiphereCE | I'll just get it in the style of an original gangsta, I'm gonna lift that shit off some unsuspecting cracka on the internets. |
| 02:33.17 | Gnarfoz | kenya knows shit, it seems |
| 02:33.38 | Cairenn | wtf does circumcision or lack thereof have to do with HIV? |
| 02:33.40 | foxlit | "Circumcision reduces the rate of HIV infections among heterosexual men by around 60%, a study suggests. |
| 02:33.43 | foxlit | " - BBC |
| 02:33.49 | Gnarfoz | what foxlit said |
| 02:33.50 | Gnarfoz | ;) |
| 02:33.58 | Cairenn | yeah, okay |
| 02:33.59 | KiphereCE | I dunno, you don't have a little pocket to store all those fluids in? |
| 02:34.00 | Gnarfoz | although that way of tackling the problem is indeed a bit odd, condoms do way more in terms of protection ^^ |
| 02:34.32 | Corrodias | the rate... |
| 02:34.44 | Corrodias | i'd like to see this study. |
| 02:34.48 | KiphereCE | heh |
| 02:35.25 | KiphereCE | quick, do have sex. |
| 02:35.25 | Corrodias | does it link to the full report? |
| 02:35.25 | KiphereCE | snip, ok try again. |
| 02:35.25 | KiphereCE | no thanks, not in the mood atm. |
| 02:35.25 | Gnarfoz | insert "4 weeks of agony" after "snip" ;p |
| 02:35.34 | foxlit | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4371384.stm |
| 02:35.44 | foxlit | No, it just references it |
| 02:36.24 | Corrodias | i'm beginning to trust these "anonymous studies" less and less |
| 02:36.52 | KiphereCE | think I'm gonna go with a celtic theme for my ui bling |
| 02:37.05 | KiphereCE | some nice knotwork in the corners with a couple shifty little buttons hidden in them |
| 02:37.08 | foxlit | http://medicine.plosjournals.org/perlserv/?request=get-document&doi=10.1371%2Fjournal.pmed.0020298 ? |
| 02:37.24 | KiphereCE | a button with its alpha set to 0 still reacts to clicks right? you just can't see it? |
| 02:37.34 | Corrodias | whoa, hey, a journal |
| 02:38.15 | foxlit | Think that's as far upstream as I can get. |
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| 02:41.16 | Corrodias | ah, good, they did consider behavioral difference |
| 02:43.16 | xgravix | why is my hp printer driver a 164 megabyte download =( |
| 02:47.05 | Corrodias | i suppose i could write my ballad about the release of the wii and the problems caused by people going nuts with the controller and losing their grip |
| 02:47.21 | Corrodias | because HP packages a huge amount of software with the drivers |
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| 02:51.14 | Corrodias | meh |
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| 02:51.20 | Corrodias | event and/or place and/or person |
| 02:52.36 | [Liquidor] | Rofl, they have changed the snowball server-side to only be casted on enemy targets (AV Snowballs) |
| 02:53.01 | KiphereCE | what graphics formats export with alpha channels intact? |
| 02:53.21 | KiphereCE | tga 'can', I know psd can, png apparently doesnt. |
| 02:53.36 | Kirov | .tga, .psd, .png, some special versions of .bmp |
| 02:54.05 | Kirov | The problem with .png isn't the format, it's the programs |
| 02:54.27 | KiphereCE | yeah, luckily I can open my psds in fireworks. |
| 02:54.31 | xsarpedon | Is there a command to dynamically create a button? |
| 02:54.41 | Cairenn | png *tends* to not be as clean, graphically |
| 02:54.44 | KiphereCE | I need both programs to do what i'm tryin. |
| 02:54.52 | Kirov | xsarpedon - CreateFrame("Button") |
| 02:55.01 | Cairenn | .tga tends to retain clarity better |
| 02:55.14 | KiphereCE | yeah but importing tga's into fireworks kills the alpha channel |
| 02:55.21 | Kirov | xsarpedon - http://www.wowwiki.com/World_of_Warcraft_API |
| 02:55.24 | KiphereCE | cause Adobe is trying to kill fireworks now that it owns it. |
| 02:55.47 | Cairenn | weird, why would it kill the alpha channel? o.O |
| 02:55.51 | Kirov | KiphereCE - try moving to Xara |
| 02:55.53 | KiphereCE | fireworks > photoshop for vector work, photoshop has way more filters and options than fireworks though for base manipulation |
| 02:56.30 | KiphereCE | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:56.48 | xsarpedon | Ahh, thank you Kirov I didn't read up on it because it sounded wrong :P |
| 02:57.07 | xsarpedon | Did a search on the page for all Create... but nothing looked promising :p |
| 02:57.28 | Kirov | xsarpedon - Buttons are a subset of "frame" types |
| 02:57.46 | xsarpedon | Right, thanks :) |
| 03:02.35 | KiphereCE | Cairenn: Fireworks doesn't play nice with most filetypes. |
| 03:02.43 | KiphereCE | it'll import a few but it does naughty things to them |
| 03:02.53 | Cairenn | shame on it, then |
| 03:02.53 | KiphereCE | and it'll export in a few but its limited. |
| 03:03.08 | KiphereCE | yeah, it's made to work with itself and its sister products like flash, dreamweaver, etc. |
| 03:03.33 | KiphereCE | I think gaussian blur got rid of my jaggies :P |
| 03:03.45 | KiphereCE | I yoinked a low rez clipart of a celtic knot corner peice. |
| 03:04.05 | KiphereCE | and i'm tryin to jack it up to 256x256 and smooth the image, add a nice bevel and texture then a subtle glow. |
| 03:04.27 | KiphereCE | so I can put it in the corners of my viewable frame |
| 03:07.24 | KiphereCE | god bless it. |
| 03:07.27 | KiphereCE | I cant get the jaggies off >< |
| 03:08.25 | Xuerian | Photoshop blur brush <3 |
| 03:08.35 | Xuerian | That and a soft eraser |
| 03:08.48 | Cairenn | KiphereCE: check your PMs |
| 03:18.47 | Kirkburn|afk | Oooh, follow up to something I posted earlier: the flying mount falling change is a BUG. It will be fixed! |
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| 03:25.18 | Neuro | what can extract MPQs now? |
| 03:29.03 | Neuro | nm, I'm an idiot |
| 03:29.35 | Neuro | WISE DECISION! =) |
| 03:29.49 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 03:30.06 | Neuro | I'm sitting here trying to figure out how to extract the WoW art files, and I completely forgot, DUH, you already extracted them with the Blizzard Tool |
| 03:30.13 | Cairenn | *snicker* |
| 03:30.33 | KiphereCE | purl, hug neuro |
| 03:30.35 | purl | ACTION hugs neuro tightly until neuro turns slightly blue |
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| 03:31.20 | KiphereCE | well, tomorrow my wife isn't torturing me at the gym so maybe I'll have the motivation to play with the pie buttons. |
| 03:32.24 | KiphereCE | ugh |
| 03:32.38 | KiphereCE | I just looked over at the christmas tree and about half way up I see two shiney yellow orbs. |
| 03:32.44 | KiphereCE | cept we havnt hung any decorations. |
| 03:32.47 | KiphereCE | bloody cat, afk. |
| 03:32.58 | Cairenn | hahaha |
| 03:35.43 | [Liquidor] | Hello everyone - Doing? |
| 03:36.17 | Cairenn | hey [Liquidor] :) doing okay here, yourself? |
| 03:36.30 | [Liquidor] | Going great with my first Ace2 addon. |
| 03:36.33 | [Liquidor] | No errors yet |
| 03:37.07 | [Liquidor] | Currently I'm logging 90% of the data in a Battlefield. Just need a few more functions for the last 10% |
| 03:37.08 | Cairenn | good to hear :) |
| 03:38.07 | [Liquidor] | I just got 1 problem though |
| 03:38.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | i want a working wowmodelviewer for...machina movies...yeah |
| 03:38.31 | KiphereCE | <sigh> it had to be the fat one |
| 03:38.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | machinma* |
| 03:39.13 | [Liquidor] | And that's the honor in a battlefield. You gain honor in 2 ways: Killing and doing objectives, however the Bonus Honor on the scoreboard, is that just a sum of all the honor you gained from objectives? |
| 03:39.46 | KiphereCE | mm iriel ;) |
| 03:39.56 | KiphereCE | Hi, you're the person I wanted to pester earlier. |
| 03:40.12 | Iriel | Should I be glad I wasn't here? 8-) |
| 03:40.18 | KiphereCE | ask cogwheel. |
| 03:40.24 | KiphereCE | ~emulate KiphereCE |
| 03:40.25 | purl | ACTION asks Cogwheel lots of annoying questions. |
| 03:40.43 | KiphereCE | I had a few questions about the pie buttons. |
| 03:40.49 | KiphereCE | figured you were the perfect person to ask ;) |
| 03:40.58 | KiphereCE | since you apparently have quite an affinity for pie. |
| 03:41.55 | KiphereCE | If you have a moment I'll ramble them off if not its cool ;) (or if you just dont' feel like answering questions atm.. hehe) |
| 03:42.08 | Iriel | I can always just ignore you 8-) |
| 03:42.15 | KiphereCE | ;_; |
| 03:42.19 | Iriel | But for now ramble away, as it is i'm trying to warm up |
| 03:42.45 | KiphereCE | Well, the first big one is, can you control the distance from center on the buttons outside of setting scale. |
| 03:42.54 | KiphereCE | or are all the 'pies' the same circumference |
| 03:43.29 | Iriel | There's attributes for inner and outer radius |
| 03:44.08 | KiphereCE | hrm, I didn't see that in the file. What exactly does it define? though, i.e. what rides the inner and outer radius? |
| 03:44.12 | Iriel | -- |
| 03:44.14 | Iriel | -- piecount -- The number of segments in the pie (required) |
| 03:44.15 | Iriel | -- piemindist -- Minimum radius to register an action (default: 1) |
| 03:44.17 | Iriel | -- piegap -- 'Dead space' angle between segments (degrees, default: 0) |
| 03:44.18 | Iriel | -- pieoffset -- Offset of first segment from top (degrees, default: 0) |
| 03:44.20 | Iriel | -- |
| 03:44.25 | Iriel | it defines where it will and wont respond to clicks |
| 03:44.57 | Iriel | all the pie template gives you is the click handling, something else still has to display the visuals |
| 03:44.57 | KiphereCE | tahts for the center though yes? |
| 03:45.05 | KiphereCE | ohh, I thought it actualy handled layouts |
| 03:45.27 | Iriel | No, though possibly you can steal some of its math |
| 03:45.32 | Iriel | Not that the math is all that hard |
| 03:45.36 | KiphereCE | that complicates things for me ;) |
| 03:46.23 | KiphereCE | I guess I'm confused about what value add it has aside from the 'click to show, release to activate' option which seems to be exclusive to the pie thingy |
| 03:46.40 | Iriel | There's no restrictions on the graphical part of things in combat, which is why it doesn't attempt to implement any |
| 03:47.01 | Iriel | Well, the value it adds is pie shaped clickable areas |
| 03:47.06 | Iriel | You can't implement them without it |
| 03:47.17 | Iriel | At least, not if you want them to do secure stuff during combat |
| 03:47.30 | KiphereCE | so you basically have a wedge you can click? |
| 03:47.37 | Kirov | well, you can ... they'd just be buttons floating by themselves |
| 03:47.38 | KiphereCE | as opposed to just the button area |
| 03:48.19 | KiphereCE | I was looking at the concept from a totally different angle and i think I missed the point. |
| 03:48.44 | Iriel | KiphereCE: Yes, a wedge you can click, I believe that 'traditionally' the wedge is actually the size of your whole screen |
| 03:48.54 | KiphereCE | I assumed it was a built in handler for doing circular layouts and a sort of tethered click. |
| 03:49.16 | Iriel | Well, it gets you the click/release thing too, that doesn't always work right without some support code |
| 03:49.39 | KiphereCE | I can technically do what I was after without touching the pie buttons then I think |
| 03:50.11 | KiphereCE | I mainly wanted the ability to click somewhere on the screen and bring up a radial menu of buttons that then got clicked (or released on) themselves to activate either another menu or an action/spell |
| 03:50.45 | VoidRaider | What could be the reason for GetPoint to return a nil for relativeTo ? |
| 03:50.55 | Iriel | VoidRaider: It's relative to the SCREEN |
| 03:51.20 | Iriel | KiphereCE: I have some examples of that somewhere. without the pie template (but with the secure state header) |
| 03:52.25 | VoidRaider | does that means it would change during resolutions, or it fits itself ? |
| 03:52.30 | KiphereCE | I'd love to see them if you happen upon a link or something, I'm especially interested in how to make it register a click and build the layout where its clicked. I know bits fo the code just not how to slap it together given my newness to lua and all. |
| 03:53.15 | Iriel | VoidRaider: Well, the coordinates are all scale-normalized, it just means it'd stay put if you moved UIParent and WorldFrame around |
| 03:53.33 | VoidRaider | ahh ok thank you mate :) |
| 03:53.36 | KiphereCE | I was gonna start with a static layout first then make it register the clicks to be on demand. |
| 03:54.10 | Iriel | KiphereCE: You likely want to pre-specify the layout relative to the cursor, then have the header re-locate itself when it changes state |
| 03:54.30 | Iriel | VoidRaider: There's a wiki page all about UI Coordinates you should look at |
| 03:55.08 | KiphereCE | for my intro to the menu I was going to just create a central button that acted as the display/hide button basically. |
| 03:55.14 | VoidRaider | Hmm I'll search for it |
| 03:55.22 | KiphereCE | then once I got the layout I figure I could just cut and paste that bit for use in the 'final product' |
| 03:55.48 | Iriel | KiphereCE: What's your email address? |
| 03:58.01 | KiphereCE | pmed |
| 03:58.21 | KiphereCE | I thought there was a Frame:GetCursorLocation |
| 03:58.24 | KiphereCE | or something to that effect |
| 03:59.47 | Iriel | you'd have to write one, there's GetCursorPosition, Frame:GetEffectiveScale(), and Frame:GetRect() |
| 04:00.01 | Iriel | You have to glue them together if you want frame relative coordinates |
| 04:00.32 | KiphereCE | which I don't know how to do, but thats good. I can learn it when I try it. |
| 04:00.55 | Iriel | http://www.wowwiki.com/UI_Coordinates |
| 04:01.19 | KiphereCE | got that one in a tab on firefox already ;) |
| 04:01.33 | Iriel | It's slightly out of date -- just fixing it |
| 04:01.37 | KiphereCE | I was hoping there was a widget api function for it somehow but I guess that doesn't really make sense. |
| 04:07.09 | KiphereCE | ahh, sleepy time. |
| 04:07.39 | KiphereCE | thanks to allthe people who answered questions tonight, and the nights before. I really do appreciate it and if i don't thank you when you answer me its cause I'm excited to go try what you just cleared up for me ;) |
| 04:07.43 | Cairenn | night KiphereCE |
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| 04:08.04 | KiphereCE | hey, nice timing Thunder_child. I was just going to bed and I didn't get to emote you at all! |
| 04:08.05 | Cairenn | when you hear back, I can get you the graphic files if you want |
| 04:08.17 | Thunder_Child | umm...thanks |
| 04:08.23 | Thunder_Child | reminde me to hurt you later |
| 04:08.25 | sylvanaar | anyone know how to make x-perl raid frames wider? |
| 04:08.30 | Thunder_Child | remind* |
| 04:08.34 | KiphereCE | I'll pop the emails otu tomorrow. I'm gonna rethink my layout. |
| 04:08.37 | KiphereCE | will do. |
| 04:09.02 | a-stray-cat | is there any way to get item ids offa thottbot? |
| 04:09.06 | Corrodias | sylvanaar: you can increase the scale of the frames, but not just the width |
| 04:09.08 | KiphereCE | :) ^_^ :3 :D (:þ |
| 04:09.11 | Cairenn | and if you don't want his specifically, I've got a whole slew more that don't require permission |
| 04:09.17 | Cairenn | well, other than mine, that is |
| 04:09.35 | Thunder_Child | lolz, an asgard in a santa hat |
| 04:10.00 | sylvanaar | Corrodias: yeah, i was afraid of that |
| 04:10.38 | KiphereCE|Sleep | I'll try to put a theory image together and show you what I"m thinking tomorrow Cairenn. |
| 04:10.51 | Cairenn | cool, will look forward to it |
| 04:10.57 | KiphereCE|Sleep | really sleeping now! heh |
| 04:11.02 | Cairenn | :) |
| 04:11.26 | Cairenn | you'll soon discover why most of us are still at our keyboards an hour or more after we've "signed off" for the night ;) |
| 04:16.40 | Cairenn | night TC_Sleeping |
| 04:16.51 | TC_Sleeping | offhand does anyone know what will open an rmvb extension? |
| 04:17.11 | TC_Sleeping | i'm trying Cairenn, i'm trying |
| 04:17.17 | Cairenn | :) |
| 04:17.36 | TC_Sleeping | night to you as well |
| 04:26.23 | Tain | I'm often still at my keyboard hours after my brain has signed off for the night. |
| 04:28.19 | Cairenn | heh |
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| 04:31.22 | Tain | Yay only 7 more days until the vast majority of this holiday nonsense is over! |
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| 04:43.10 | ckknight | hey all |
| 04:43.17 | Cairenn | hi ckknight |
| 04:45.40 | End | ugh, freaking rend |
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| 04:49.39 | [Liquidor] | ckknight: Dunno if you fixed the first bug I reported, but I found another |
| 04:49.47 | ckknight | sure didn't |
| 04:49.54 | ckknight | I'm happy to take both bugs |
| 04:50.18 | [Liquidor] | Great |
| 04:50.25 | [Liquidor] | Also got a request and a question |
| 04:53.22 | [Liquidor] | First bug is commited so just read that, 2nd bug is happening in Alterac Valley: (/glory bg): Glory-2.0.lua: 1657: attempt to concenate local 'value' (a nil value) |
| 04:55.00 | ckknight | fixed |
| 04:55.10 | [Liquidor] | great |
| 04:55.38 | [Liquidor] | now to my question. I need to log the custom columns on the scoreboard, which functions should I look at? |
| 04:57.48 | ckknight | hrm |
| 04:57.51 | ckknight | not sure about that |
| 04:57.54 | ckknight | take a look at the wiki |
| 04:58.07 | [Liquidor] | Where is that? |
| 04:58.22 | ckknight | http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Glory-2.0 |
| 04:58.22 | [Liquidor] | Clicking Glory at Wowace/wiki requested me to create the page |
| 04:58.25 | [Liquidor] | hmm |
| 04:59.14 | [Liquidor] | And the request is if you could create a boolean function for checking wherether the BF has started. Was thinking in something like this: func Glory:IsBattlefieldRunning() if (GetBattlefieldInstanceRunTime()-120000) > 0 then return true else return false end end -- maybe? |
| 05:00.11 | ckknight | not sure about that |
| 05:00.18 | ckknight | maybe |
| 05:00.23 | [Liquidor] | Or should I just do that in my own addon? New to Ace you know so just need to know where the line is between functional of addons or libs |
| 05:00.43 | [Liquidor] | ality* |
| 05:00.46 | ckknight | honestly, that probably belongs in Glory-2.0 |
| 05:01.04 | [Liquidor] | Well it was just an idea cause I use it in my addon |
| 05:01.22 | [Liquidor] | I ask the user if he wants the BF logged since it already started. |
| 05:01.26 | End | weird |
| 05:01.27 | End | http://www.thottbot.com/beta?i=16943 |
| 05:01.32 | End | frost and shadow damage? |
| 05:01.51 | ckknight | odd combo |
| 05:02.04 | End | yeah |
| 05:03.02 | End | also, there is an awful lot of resist gear in beta that is listed on thottbot |
| 05:03.14 | End | for tailoring at least |
| 05:04.19 | Kemayo | Hey, ckknight, did you do something on Cartographer_Notes that broke old-ish notes? |
| 05:04.49 | ckknight | Kemayo, yes? |
| 05:05.04 | ckknight | it should've upgraded properly, but in some cases it hasn't |
| 05:05.09 | ckknight | my bad |
| 05:05.19 | Kemayo | You have broken my heart, ckknight. Broken it. |
| 05:05.26 | ckknight | I said my bad. |
| 05:06.54 | [Liquidor] | "WARNING: You should take a backup of your database and files before upgrading" -- phpBB warning ftw ! |
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| 05:14.12 | Grem | Does anyone know how to fix an 'attempt to call a table value' error? |
| 05:14.53 | AnduinLothar | yeah, dont use a table as a function |
| 05:15.05 | Grem | for k,v in VictimList do |
| 05:15.12 | Grem | I cant do that? |
| 05:16.48 | Xuerian | k, v in pairs/ipairs(victimlist) |
| 05:17.39 | Grem | hmm |
| 05:18.23 | [Liquidor] | ckknight: I got another request for 2 functions: GetDamageDone(["name"]) and GetHealingDone(["name"]) -- You can get the data from the 2 new args in GetBattlefieldScore(i) |
| 05:18.42 | ckknight | code it up and I'll add it ;-) |
| 05:18.47 | [Liquidor] | Sure |
| 05:22.17 | [Liquidor] | ckknight: http://ace.pastey.net/3764 |
| 05:26.38 | ckknight | committed |
| 05:32.16 | [Liquidor] | ye great |
| 05:32.39 | [Liquidor] | Now I only got 4 values left that isn't supported by Glory :) |
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| 06:00.17 | [Liquidor] | ckknight: this is a general question about libs but I use Glory as an example: How do I check if the lib exist/is loaded or does AceLibrary-2.0 take care of that when I call the lib? |
| 06:00.37 | ckknight | AceLibrary:HasInstance("Glory-2.0") |
| 06:00.58 | [Liquidor] | Okay so my addon doesn't deactivate itself if local Glory = AceLibrary("Glory-2.0") is false ? |
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| 06:02.24 | Tierrie | is a = { "apple", "orange", "grapes" } considered a table? |
| 06:02.33 | [Liquidor] | yes |
| 06:02.43 | [Liquidor] | {} = tables |
| 06:02.58 | Tierrie | how about fruits = { "melon" = "watermelon", "citrus" = "orange" } |
| 06:03.13 | Tierrie | hm |
| 06:03.21 | Tierrie | trying to figure out how to differentiate it |
| 06:03.56 | Xuerian | It's all tables. |
| 06:03.59 | [Liquidor] | fruits = { ["melon"] = "watermelon", ["citrus"] = "orange" } ........ or fruits = { melon = "watermelon", citrus = "orange" } |
| 06:04.11 | Tierrie | the former Liquidor |
| 06:04.15 | Xuerian | Though. With proper syntax, of course. |
| 06:04.22 | [Liquidor] | Tierrie: they are both true |
| 06:04.30 | Tierrie | ok thanks |
| 06:04.31 | [Liquidor] | correct* |
| 06:04.53 | [Liquidor] | { [variable] = "stuff" } is also ok |
| 06:04.56 | Xuerian | usually []'s are employed when using variable contents for key names :P |
| 06:05.04 | Xuerian | Dammit <_< |
| 06:06.26 | [Liquidor] | You should see the structure of my log.table :> |
| 06:06.57 | Xuerian | What are "Table implementations that would make ckk cry"! |
| 06:07.29 | [Liquidor] | No clue since I don't know what an implementation is |
| 06:07.33 | ckknight | hrm? |
| 06:07.37 | Xuerian | :P |
| 06:07.41 | Xuerian | "usage" |
| 06:08.02 | Xuerian | Nevermind, ck. False alarm >>> |
| 06:08.06 | ckknight | okay |
| 06:08.20 | [Liquidor] | prolly.["something"]like.this.in_any.way[maybe] ? |
| 06:08.41 | Xuerian | That probably qualifies. |
| 06:09.02 | Tierrie | that hurts :P |
| 06:09.10 | Tierrie | i wish they implemented the engine in perl :P |
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| 06:10.39 | sancus_ | _rofl_ @ ui scripting in perl |
| 06:11.20 | [Liquidor] | lol @ perl |
| 06:11.55 | [Liquidor] | go asp.net then ! |
| 06:12.18 | Xuerian | =O |
| 06:12.26 | Xuerian | purl, murder [Liquidor] |
| 06:12.28 | purl | ACTION shoots [Liquidor] in his sleep |
| 06:13.17 | Xuerian | I made a bot quite a lot like purl in Tribes2 once.. /random. |
| 06:14.48 | Inside | eeeww |
| 06:15.19 | Xuerian | VexyBot tended to like to crash the game, though... >.> |
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| 06:52.59 | TonyD | where do I creade a wdb folder? |
| 06:56.22 | ZealotOnAStick | What game language do you play in? |
| 06:57.16 | ZealotOnAStick | if US English, it should be (WoW Patch)/Cache/WDB/enUS |
| 06:57.25 | ZealotOnAStick | UK english, enGB |
| 06:57.35 | ZealotOnAStick | etc., whatever your locale code is |
| 06:58.00 | TonyD | yeah, enUS |
| 06:58.08 | TonyD | (wow Patch)? |
| 06:58.16 | TonyD | or (wow dir) |
| 06:58.42 | Cairenn | wow path |
| 06:58.47 | TonyD | k |
| 06:59.18 | ZealotOnAStick | yes, sorry, path, not patch. |
| 06:59.24 | TonyD | ok, it's there |
| 06:59.45 | ZealotOnAStick | next time you start WoW it should being to populate cache files in there. |
| 06:59.47 | TonyD | this pc get 5 fps in IF with all lowest settings, even WITH the cache |
| 06:59.57 | TonyD | it has em in 3 or 4 places |
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| 07:01.30 | s|loup | hi |
| 07:01.39 | TonyD | high |
| 07:02.04 | Cairenn | hey s|loup |
| 07:15.48 | TonyD | anyone ever heard of a non-MS .net runtime environment? .net lite or something? |
| 07:16.17 | Xuerian | mono. |
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| 07:30.04 | Osagasu | It amuses me. |
| 07:30.17 | Osagasu | all these people who say the leveling system in slow in WoW... |
| 07:30.44 | Osagasu | You actually can get to max level in a week. EQ took what, a month at least? |
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| 07:32.15 | Osagasu | They're just used to single player games that you can beat in a week at level "holy Sh-!," I suppose. |
| 07:34.41 | a-stray-cat | you can get to max level in KH2 in 62 hours or something :P |
| 07:35.08 | Osagasu | Been there, done that. |
| 07:35.28 | a-stray-cat | which reminds me that i have to finish those last 10 rounds in the arena |
| 07:36.23 | xgravix | well i cant get to max level in a week |
| 07:37.20 | Osagasu | Sephiroth was a bitch to kill, let me tell you. |
| 07:37.32 | xgravix | that dang super nova spell |
| 07:37.38 | Osagasu | I spent a week memorizing his attacks |
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| 07:38.07 | Osagasu | And the one time I managed to kill him, EVER, I did so with around 5 HP lef.t |
| 07:38.10 | Osagasu | **left |
| 07:39.01 | axxo | you soloed spehiroth? |
| 07:39.02 | axxo | nice |
| 07:39.14 | Osagasu | Yep. |
| 07:39.20 | Osagasu | ./flex |
| 07:39.51 | axxo | ./golfclap |
| 07:39.52 | Osagasu | I finished that entire game, and didn't even get a single anti-form. |
| 07:40.11 | TonyD | hmm, can't find tipbuddy anywhere |
| 07:40.18 | TonyD | i swear i have it at home, tho |
| 07:42.02 | TonyD | guess I'll just copy n paste thru remote desktop |
| 07:42.18 | Osagasu | http://wow.curse-gaming.com/en/files/details/5058/tipbuddy-for-wow-2-0/ |
| 07:43.27 | TonyD | i prolly just converted mine myself |
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| 07:44.37 | grimman | Hm. |
| 07:44.40 | grimman | <3 TipBuddy. |
| 07:44.55 | Osagasu | Yes. |
| 07:45.13 | Osagasu | <3 Superinspect eve more. |
| 07:45.27 | Osagasu | SuperInspect is just something that should be in the default UI. |
| 07:45.37 | grimman | Yeah. |
| 07:45.48 | Elkano | TinyTip > TipBuddy imho |
| 07:45.48 | grimman | I just got the 2.0 version today... and it had some funky caching too. :) |
| 07:45.58 | Osagasu | Yeah, that's nice. |
| 07:46.02 | grimman | Wonder if it's a new feature or something I've ignored. ;P |
| 07:46.07 | Osagasu | It's new. |
| 07:46.34 | grimman | Elkano: TinyTip is what I use now... or used, I should say. TipBuddy is going in now! |
| 07:47.07 | TonyD | i found some issues with tinytip in BCbeta |
| 07:47.07 | grimman | Oh, I also found GoGoMount today. :D |
| 07:47.21 | grimman | Random mounts! |
| 07:47.25 | Elkano | TonyDm the bug wrt EQCompare? |
| 07:47.30 | TonyD | but I'm on a mchine with only 1 GB of ram, and a 1300 duron, so I gotta watch resources |
| 07:47.45 | TonyD | elk: maybe, i had eqc issues also |
| 07:48.11 | Elkano | well, that was actualy a bug in EQC calling a hook |
| 07:48.16 | TonyD | i think this PC is too shabby for an infobar, but i wanna get fubar... |
| 07:48.42 | TonyD | i'm stuck here for 10 days... |
| 07:49.14 | Osagasu | The only real thing that I'm missing it Theorycraft... |
| 07:49.15 | Osagasu | ...yay! |
| 07:49.16 | TonyD | i know there used to be a mod that told you what mods were using what resources |
| 07:49.16 | [Liquidor] | I've just installed 30-40 Ace'd Addons and I've always played with default ui :> |
| 07:49.21 | Osagasu | Someone updated it! |
| 07:49.37 | grimman | afk time. |
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| 07:49.59 | abug | is there a offical name for ... in lua other than ... |
| 07:50.18 | [Liquidor] | erh what? |
| 07:50.21 | Osagasu | the name is just Lua. |
| 07:50.24 | TonyD | ellipses? |
| 07:50.29 | Osagasu | Not an acronym as far as I know |
| 07:50.32 | Kirkburn|afk | It's not an acronym |
| 07:50.43 | abug | I mean the ellipses |
| 07:50.46 | TonyD | isn't ... like argx |
| 07:50.51 | Kirkburn|afk | It means "moon" iirc |
| 07:50.51 | abug | I'm trying to find if there's a wiki page on it |
| 07:50.59 | [Liquidor] | well go google |
| 07:51.09 | abug | It comes up with weird results |
| 07:51.09 | [Liquidor] | google lua and ellipses |
| 07:51.11 | Kirkburn|afk | abug, yes, I think ellipses is right |
| 07:51.18 | abug | wowwiki I mean |
| 07:51.18 | TonyD | i tried to figure that out when i was having to manually convert loops that used fucntion args |
| 07:51.52 | Kirkburn|afk | http://computing-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/ellipsis |
| 07:52.07 | abug | arg I just want the wowwiki page on them if it exists |
| 07:52.15 | abug | if not what should I call it |
| 07:52.16 | Kirkburn|afk | heh |
| 07:52.22 | Kirkburn|afk | Ellipsis! |
| 07:52.36 | TonyD | i'm pretty sure it's ellipses |
| 07:52.43 | TonyD | ellipsis is something else |
| 07:52.43 | Kirkburn|afk | The three dots are called an "ellipsis", what more do you want? |
| 07:52.44 | Osagasu | Is there a mod that allows yoiu to set your target in your dressingroom frame? |
| 07:52.50 | Osagasu | My old one broke |
| 07:52.51 | Kirkburn|afk | TonyD, did you click the link? |
| 07:52.54 | abug | I want you to hold my hand |
| 07:52.55 | TonyD | no |
| 07:53.02 | Kirkburn|afk | Then I suggest you do? |
| 07:53.33 | TonyD | hmm, the page name says ellipsis, but the context says ellipses |
| 07:53.50 | Kirkburn|afk | Plural: "ellipses" |
| 07:54.13 | TonyD | k |
| 07:54.29 | abug | so the wowwiki page should be Lua_ellipsis? |
| 07:54.46 | abug | I just wanna red link it |
| 07:54.50 | Kirkburn|afk | abug, this might be useful? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellipsis#Ellipsis_in_programming |
| 07:55.17 | Kirkburn|afk | hmm |
| 07:55.34 | Kirkburn|afk | Yeah, why not |
| 07:55.57 | abug | should the L be upper or lowercase? |
| 07:56.46 | Kirkburn|afk | It has to be uppercase, wikis don't allow lowercase first letters =) |
| 07:56.59 | abug | oh, good stuff |
| 07:57.14 | Kirkburn|afk | Also Lua is capitalised anyway, I see :P |
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| 08:03.02 | TonyD | what's the best way to handle libraries? I.e. all the fubar mod have the libraries they need in a lib dir in the addons directory, referenced by the toc, but if you have multiple mods that use the same libs, should you make a common folder for them all? |
| 08:03.20 | TonyD | i'll porbably need to clarify that |
| 08:03.39 | [Ammo] | TonyD: you don't |
| 08:03.59 | [Ammo] | only the newest version of the library is kept in memory |
| 08:04.04 | TonyD | ok |
| 08:04.08 | [Ammo] | the rest if GC'd |
| 08:04.13 | [Ammo] | s/if/is/ |
| 08:04.45 | TonyD | k, so having each library have it's own toc isn't helpful? |
| 08:04.56 | [Ammo] | well |
| 08:05.17 | [Ammo] | on the ace svn the libraries each have their own 'addon' |
| 08:05.20 | TonyD | some packages have all the libs in a common folder |
| 08:05.23 | [Ammo] | you could check out all those sseperate addons |
| 08:05.28 | [Ammo] | they are all Load On Demand |
| 08:05.59 | TonyD | yeah? I know the ace zips from svn all have the libs in subfolders |
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| 08:06.24 | [Ammo] | TonyD: yes |
| 08:06.31 | TonyD | someone said that was a mistake in the compression app, or something |
| 08:06.41 | [Ammo] | no |
| 08:06.43 | [Ammo] | you got it wrong |
| 08:06.58 | [Ammo] | sometimes the zipscript didn't include all the libraries needed |
| 08:07.01 | [Ammo] | that has been fixed |
| 08:07.02 | TonyD | ahh |
| 08:07.04 | ZealotOnAStick | Generally, going with embedded libs is the "safest" and least bothersome method, so long as the addons have their libs updated more or less regularly, they're ensured of having their required libs. |
| 08:07.06 | [Ammo] | anyway read this: http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Ace2_Memory_Concerns |
| 08:07.27 | [Ammo] | it contains some more information on libraries, loading them separatly and the consequences |
| 08:07.30 | ZealotOnAStick | You can, if you want, disembed them, and load a bunch of seperate addon versions of the libs, so only one of each gets loaded. |
| 08:07.36 | TonyD | i know there used to be a memory addon that told you what addons used what |
| 08:07.38 | ZealotOnAStick | That can slightly reduce startup time. |
| 08:07.45 | ZealotOnAStick | Warmup. More or less. |
| 08:07.46 | [Ammo] | TonyD: no, read that wiki page |
| 08:07.53 | TonyD | waiting for it to load |
| 08:07.55 | TonyD | k |
| 08:07.56 | [Ammo] | it'll give you a bit more insight |
| 08:08.25 | ZealotOnAStick | I tried the disembedded libs route on this (my second) machine because it's older and slower . . . but I've not really noticed much of a benefit. |
| 08:08.37 | [Ammo] | I noticed a 50% increase in loading time |
| 08:08.42 | [Ammo] | but I have a slowass HD |
| 08:08.54 | [Ammo] | and it has to read roughly 50% less files now :) |
| 08:09.06 | ZealotOnAStick | I should probably full down all externals and run warmup and see, and then try disembedded. |
| 08:09.19 | ZealotOnAStick | My main gaming rig is rather nice, though, so I've not bothered there. |
| 08:09.39 | TonyD | what is warmup? |
| 08:09.56 | ZealotOnAStick | An addon that tries to show memory consumption of addons, and load times. |
| 08:10.13 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info4939-Warmup.html |
| 08:10.24 | TonyD | sweet |
| 08:11.00 | [Ammo] | beware though tonyD |
| 08:11.07 | ZealotOnAStick | I' |
| 08:11.09 | [Ammo] | it slows down your loading as well considerably |
| 08:11.19 | [Ammo] | because of the calculations and forced GC it does |
| 08:11.23 | abug | beware of the green eyed monster |
| 08:11.51 | TonyD | sokay, I'll disable it as soon as I get where i wanna be |
| 08:11.56 | ZealotOnAStick | I thought he was going to change it to disable itself after load, requiring users to specifically enable it each time to use it? |
| 08:12.31 | [Ammo] | ZealotOnAStick: maybe, not sure |
| 08:12.42 | [Ammo] | I deleted it again after seeing my abyssmal loading times |
| 08:12.43 | TonyD | it says on the web that he did |
| 08:12.50 | ZealotOnAStick | heh. |
| 08:13.04 | [Ammo] | it's around 50-60 seconds |
| 08:13.10 | [Ammo] | my HD is crumbling |
| 08:13.19 | ZealotOnAStick | Well, on this machine, once Org loads, it's another 10-15 seconds before my character is more than a shadow blob in org. |
| 08:13.24 | ZealotOnAStick | omg. |
| 08:13.33 | ZealotOnAStick | ok, not that badly off. |
| 08:13.40 | [Ammo] | but zoning is fast enough |
| 08:13.46 | [Ammo] | it all depends on how much it has to do with the HD |
| 08:13.51 | [Ammo] | got 2G mem |
| 08:13.57 | [Ammo] | so it's the HD that's the bottleneck |
| 08:14.07 | abug | tis the season to get a new one |
| 08:14.09 | [Ammo] | but can't be arsed to change it |
| 08:14.16 | [Ammo] | since I'm getting a new PC soon |
| 08:14.18 | ZealotOnAStick | Is there something good right now that will just report zoning times? |
| 08:14.29 | ZealotOnAStick | I used to run Catalyst just for that. |
| 08:14.38 | [Ammo] | ZealotOnAStick: well hack the zoning timer from Catalyst |
| 08:14.39 | ZealotOnAStick | (with much crap commented out) |
| 08:14.45 | abug | zealot: stopwatch |
| 08:15.02 | ZealotOnAStick | abug: gotten where? |
| 08:15.09 | abug | oh I meant a physical one |
| 08:15.24 | ZealotOnAStick | Heh. Not quite what I'm looking for. |
| 08:15.48 | abug | I should've said k-mart |
| 08:21.04 | TonyD | he, i figured discord would be the worst offender |
| 08:25.18 | grimman | Brrr... it's really cold here today. :( |
| 08:25.28 | grimman | But at least my computer will like it. |
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| 08:31.24 | Neuro | I've heard of athletes failing a drug test... but a gender test??? |
| 08:32.01 | Neuro | http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/more/12/18/failed.gender.test.ap/index.html |
| 08:33.18 | axxo | lowl |
| 08:33.59 | Neuro | what amazes me is they had 4 doctors do it |
| 08:34.00 | grimman | Yeah, I saw that earlier. |
| 08:34.01 | Neuro | I mean |
| 08:34.03 | grimman | Made me wtf. |
| 08:34.04 | Neuro | come on |
| 08:34.07 | grimman | Big-time. |
| 08:34.14 | Neuro | "Hmm, I see penis, I think she fails" |
| 08:34.29 | krka | "Hmm, I see penis, I think HE fails" |
| 08:34.41 | grimman | I never read the article... |
| 08:34.45 | grimman | What gender was it? |
| 08:34.52 | Neuro | they're still saying "She" |
| 08:35.04 | Neuro | just that she "failed a gender test" |
| 08:35.13 | Neuro | Nothing more specific than that |
| 08:36.38 | Neuro | "if UnitHasPenis() == true then this:SetSex("Male")" |
| 08:37.06 | ZealotOnAStick | doesn't account for transgenders |
| 08:37.29 | norgs | "the test revealed more Y chromosomes than allowed." |
| 08:38.14 | Neuro | were they injecting themselves with Y chromosomes or something? |
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| 08:38.42 | norgs | possible i guess... they inject all other kinds of whacky stuff |
| 08:38.56 | Neuro | "I'd like a gender check on T.O. pls... yes, as we feared, T.O. is not a man, but a whiney little girl" |
| 08:39.24 | Wobble | Isn't there a YY type? |
| 08:39.39 | norgs | you gotta wonder though, how much is "more" than allowed |
| 08:39.48 | Wobble | Whatserface Jamie lee curtis has that? |
| 08:39.50 | Neuro | Um, no |
| 08:39.50 | ckknight | Wobble, YY typically doesn't survive more than a few weeks in the womb |
| 08:39.57 | Neuro | XXY |
| 08:39.58 | ckknight | there are XXY and XYY, though |
| 08:39.59 | Neuro | is possible |
| 08:40.01 | Wobble | That's it |
| 08:40.13 | ckknight | which tend to have severe mental deficiencies. |
| 08:40.47 | Wobin | So... what are the consequences of 'failing' a gender test? =P |
| 08:41.10 | norgs | you lose the medal and get publically ridiculed apparently |
| 08:41.15 | Wobin | << |
| 08:41.16 | Wobin | >> |
| 08:41.21 | Wobin | >< |
| 08:41.32 | Wobin | riiight... |
| 08:41.34 | grimman | Does one need to study for it? |
| 08:41.46 | Wobin | I test horribly =( |
| 08:41.58 | ckknight | well, there is intersex... |
| 08:42.16 | ckknight | which pre-70's would've been refered to as "Gender undetermined" |
| 08:42.18 | norgs | no it's multiple choice, but you gotta make sure you only put X's in the boxes |
| 08:42.20 | ckknight | and such |
| 08:44.21 | Kirkburn|afk | Like my new forum sig? =) http://img306.imageshack.us/my.php?image=clearfontacepngrz3.png |
| 08:44.57 | abug | gender sucks |
| 08:45.08 | grimman | The text in the upper righthand corner is hard to read, Kirkburn|afk. |
| 08:45.39 | grimman | Probably due to the shadow being too dark. |
| 08:45.43 | Wobin | Kirkburn|afk: "on Ace2"? |
| 08:46.23 | Kirkburn|afk | Well how would you prefer me to write that? :P |
| 08:46.38 | Kirkburn|afk | "with"? |
| 08:46.40 | Wobin | I don't really know =) |
| 08:46.44 | Wobin | That might work |
| 08:46.55 | Wobin | Now with 50% more Ace2! |
| 08:47.12 | Wobin | You should make it look like a medicine box |
| 08:47.17 | Wobin | for like, allergies or something |
| 08:49.43 | Kirkburn|afk | hehe |
| 08:51.17 | grimman | http://loot.dlxmedia.net/?splatter.avi << Funny addon a friend told me about a few days ago. ;D |
| 08:51.25 | grimman | File name says it all. |
| 08:54.01 | axxo | lol |
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| 09:02.32 | grimman | Heh heh, you can get mistletoe from the opposing faction's Winter Revelers too. |
| 09:03.15 | grimman | Fresh Holly even. |
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| 09:09.38 | grimman | Arrrrrgh... QuestsFu throws an error every time someone joins the BG. :( |
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| 09:21.58 | Kirkburn|afk | Here's a question - why do people download old versions of addons? |
| 09:22.21 | Kirkburn|afk | I mean, I have several downloads of patch 1.10 era ClearFont on CG |
| 09:22.24 | grimman | :P |
| 09:22.57 | grimman | I use an older version of Bartender3... though I did download it when it was the newest thing available. ;) |
| 09:23.14 | Kirkburn|afk | I guess some could be emulated servers, but even then they don't download the latest version for that patch :/ |
| 09:23.27 | grimman | I think the "optimizations" mentioned kinda broke the cooldown displaying oCD relies on. |
| 09:23.47 | Kirkburn|afk | Not had a problem here |
| 09:24.02 | grimman | Ah... with a quirk. |
| 09:24.11 | grimman | I don't have the actual bars visible. |
| 09:24.15 | Kirkburn|afk | ah. |
| 09:24.25 | grimman | I only have buttons on them so oCD can get the cooldowns. ;) |
| 09:25.19 | axxo | i have 1 spell that doesn't get shown on ocd anymore |
| 09:25.25 | axxo | and i can't figure out why, and yes its on a bar |
| 09:25.35 | grimman | If it's on Bar2 that's probably why. |
| 09:25.48 | grimman | None of the skills I have on Bar2 show up in oCD. |
| 09:26.06 | axxo | i'd have to check that, possible |
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| 09:29.14 | grimman | I'm such an asshole. My rogue has such low survivability that I mainly just do stuff to piss people off. ;D |
| 09:29.37 | grimman | Sneaking up behind enemies in AV and snowballing them into a bunch of friendly alliance folk is a lovely thing. :D |
| 09:31.35 | Inside | very nice |
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| 09:31.50 | Inside | you horde do need to send some of your people across the damn bridge I tell you. |
| 09:31.59 | grimman | << Alliance. ;P |
| 09:32.11 | Inside | oh |
| 09:32.11 | Inside | >_> |
| 09:32.15 | Inside | You need to send alliance into the horde the |
| 09:32.16 | Inside | then |
| 09:32.21 | grimman | :P |
| 09:32.29 | Inside | In the lag nobody'll notice that the snowball trail originated from you |
| 09:32.30 | Inside | honest |
| 09:32.40 | grimman | I was standing in the SH bunker earlier today, throwing mages off the cliff down to the alliance flock standing there. |
| 09:32.48 | grimman | Fall damage + angry mob == success! |
| 09:33.08 | ZealotOnAStick | They do entirely too much as it is. Damn alliance base has that lovely highly defensible bridge . . . whereas alliance can just ride right through the horde base straight to the GY flag. |
| 09:33.21 | Inside | Indeed ~_~ |
| 09:33.25 | axxo | don't you have the little house? |
| 09:33.35 | Inside | yeah |
| 09:33.40 | Inside | that's a tiny tiny tiny entrance |
| 09:33.48 | axxo | i've never more then 2-3 horde defend |
| 09:33.52 | Inside | I wonder why I never see any horde defending that |
| 09:33.54 | axxo | while we always have like 15-20 |
| 09:33.58 | Inside | indeed, I have -NEVER- seen the horde defend. |
| 09:34.03 | Inside | I've been the entire 40 man alliance on defense |
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| 09:34.19 | Inside | over power the horde at stormpike and push them back all the way to frostwolf and procede to rape them there. |
| 09:34.37 | grimman | AV is basically the only BG the alliance in my battlegroup wins. |
| 09:34.47 | Inside | Why is it that horde wins AB/WSG yet always loses AV? |
| 09:34.55 | grimman | For everything else there is horde premades. And horde premades... and MORE horde premades. |
| 09:35.00 | axxo | agree grimman |
| 09:35.02 | Inside | It'd seem to me that winning AV is a lot more about teamwork than the other ones. |
| 09:35.03 | ZealotOnAStick | That's why. |
| 09:35.19 | ZealotOnAStick | AV you get 40 people, from various servers, and at least 10 think they all know how things should be done. |
| 09:35.25 | grimman | Inside: Anywhere you can stick a premade you will get a bunch of wins. |
| 09:35.33 | ZealotOnAStick | another 10 are so sick of that 10, that they're going to ignore them and do as they damn well please. |
| 09:35.37 | Inside | I've played probably 100 AVS |
| 09:35.40 | Inside | yet I've only lost 3 times. |
| 09:36.04 | Inside | I remmember each loss ~_ |
| 09:36.04 | Inside | ~_~ |
| 09:36.15 | purl | :/ |
| 09:36.15 | grimman | AB is a source of many headaches. :( |
| 09:36.15 | ZealotOnAStick | WSG and AB, you CAN do premades, and even in pugs, it's much simpler to coordinate fewer people. |
| 09:36.29 | axxo | you can't win ab without ppl listening |
| 09:36.35 | grimman | /y FIGHT AT THE FLAG! |
| 09:36.46 | axxo | get back to stables! |
| 09:36.50 | axxo | nobody there! |
| 09:36.55 | ZealotOnAStick | I don't do AB anymore except with my guild, or mostly-guild and some friends groups. |
| 09:37.02 | ZealotOnAStick | Haven't lost an AB since the patch. |
| 09:37.05 | grimman | /bg LM undef... |
| 09:37.25 | Inside | lucky |
| 09:37.28 | axxo | followed by nobody going there, and getting capped |
| 09:37.31 | Inside | I've only done on AB after the patch |
| 09:37.37 | grimman | ZealotOnAStick: My problem is that I've been away from my server for six months, roughly. |
| 09:37.44 | Inside | and it involved me getting into the game and 3 seconds later getting 13 honor and one token |
| 09:37.44 | Inside | >_> |
| 09:37.53 | grimman | My guild has a PVP group, but they don't want me anywhere near them. |
| 09:37.59 | ZealotOnAStick | We've hit some really tough premades and had long tough slow constant fighting 3/2s, but that's been the closest. Lots of 5 caps. |
| 09:38.09 | grimman | Even though I utterly rape. ;( |
| 09:38.30 | ZealotOnAStick | Dunno what to tell you there. Social engineer better? |
| 09:38.58 | grimman | I don't have nearly enough patience to organize a decent premade. |
| 09:39.21 | grimman | And I don't even like half of the guildies, so that's not a very good option either. |
| 09:39.26 | grimman | :l |
| 09:39.50 | ZealotOnAStick | Wiping repeatedly to gothik seems to work well as a motivation for people to want to release frustration by killing the other faction. |
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| 09:40.30 | Wobin | I <3 premades |
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| 09:40.35 | Wobin | it's the only way I'll do AB |
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| 09:40.45 | grimman | Indeed. |
| 09:41.10 | Wobin | That was a obviously completely pug horde |
| 09:41.13 | grimman | I could get my other rogue I have on a PVP server into premades every now and then. |
| 09:41.16 | Wobin | (badly pugged) |
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| 09:41.30 | ZealotOnAStick | We've had a few 2000/0 5 caps the last couple of weeks. |
| 09:42.07 | axxo | its not that harde unless your up against a premade |
| 09:42.16 | Wobin | Interestingly enough, every time I've gone on O in AV, we've won |
| 09:42.31 | Wobin | every time I stayed back and defended gy's etc, I've lost =P |
| 09:42.47 | ZealotOnAStick | There was this one team from Kael'thas that was a major pain, there was this druid duo with them that were nasty. One was the best Moonkin I've ever seen, and the other one contributed a bit more nuking in caster form and kept them both up. |
| 09:43.11 | ZealotOnAStick | I only go into AV to farm shards and snowball people off the bridge. |
| 09:43.13 | Wobin | I hate druids |
| 09:43.18 | Wobin | oh, and rogues |
| 09:43.22 | Wobin | even though I am a rogue =P |
| 09:43.37 | grimman | Rogues are nice enough for me to have two. ;) |
| 09:43.42 | Wobin | hehe |
| 09:43.49 | Wobin | It's all good when the rogues are on your side =P |
| 09:44.03 | Wobin | however, when you're WSG against 4 stealthed rogues.... =P |
| 09:44.06 | grimman | Meh. My dagger rogue can deal with anything. |
| 09:44.07 | Wobin | >< |
| 09:44.09 | grimman | The sword rogue sucks. |
| 09:44.11 | grimman | 3k HP. |
| 09:44.43 | grimman | Low DPS... I have to rely on some shitty tacs to get mage kills, and extremely long stunlocks to get anything else. ;P |
| 09:45.06 | ZealotOnAStick | Oh, those annoy me. |
| 09:45.12 | ZealotOnAStick | Especially when I was Demonology specced. |
| 09:45.21 | Wobin | I was surprised at my hemo build actually |
| 09:45.31 | Wobin | Garotte, hemo hemo rupture |
| 09:45.31 | grimman | Premed -> CS -> evis... 75% chance of being a 5p evis... packs quite a nasty punch for the unsuspecting castard. |
| 09:45.35 | ZealotOnAStick | "C'mon, would you either get on hurry up killing me, or break for a second so I can death coil you and run the hell away! |
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| 09:45.49 | Wobin | Even if I die to others, I still take the target down after death =P |
| 09:46.01 | grimman | :) |
| 09:46.14 | Wobin | and wound poison just makes them go 'arrrgh' =) |
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| 09:46.28 | grimman | I kicked a PVP epixxed rogue earlier. |
| 09:46.31 | Wobin | dotlicious |
| 09:46.36 | grimman | With rupture. |
| 09:46.45 | grimman | So he couldn't bandage or restealth to stunlock me. |
| 09:46.49 | Wobin | hehe |
| 09:47.04 | Wobin | so often underused, that = |
| 09:47.04 | grimman | He did waste a blind though, and stood there like an idiot. |
| 09:47.05 | Wobin | ) |
| 09:47.09 | Wobin | >< |
| 09:47.17 | ZealotOnAStick | I rarely play my druid for anything other than picking herbs and making potions . . . but I specced heavy feral for the hell of it . . . |
| 09:47.22 | ZealotOnAStick | and Mangle is pretty nifty. |
| 09:47.25 | Wobin | mutilate =( |
| 09:47.28 | Wobin | It's painful |
| 09:47.29 | grimman | Mangle. >_< |
| 09:47.33 | Wobin | er that's the bunny |
| 09:47.40 | Wobin | mutilate is ours =P |
| 09:47.49 | Wobin | I kept getting mangled to death =\ |
| 09:47.54 | ZealotOnAStick | Mutilate can be pretty nasty. |
| 09:48.08 | Wobin | If my latency wasn't so bad, I'd probably do daggerspec |
| 09:48.25 | Wobin | but since it's often so positional focused, I can't manage it =\ |
| 09:48.34 | Wobin | being half a second behind everyone else =P |
| 09:48.43 | ZealotOnAStick | One of our guild rogues was with me defending the Stables with a shaman, and hit some mage with a dual mutilate crit, was like 2200 damage, I didn't even get to finish casting my shadow bolt. |
| 09:48.45 | grimman | :( |
| 09:48.59 | ZealotOnAStick | Where do you play from to what servers, Wobin? |
| 09:49.04 | Wobin | Australia =) |
| 09:49.09 | Wobin | And any of them =P |
| 09:49.13 | Wobin | AD, though |
| 09:49.22 | grimman | My hunter is pretty badass nowadays, with the ranged silence. |
| 09:50.04 | Wobin | http://ocr.pgpl.net/templates/WoWMaevahEmpire/images/logo_phpBB.gif |
| 09:50.04 | Wobin | Our raiding conglomerate's logo =) |
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| 09:50.13 | grimman | Cute. ;P |
| 09:50.15 | ZealotOnAStick | Argen Dawn the US RP one, or is there an Argent Dawn oceanic? |
| 09:50.20 | Wobin | But true QQ |
| 09:50.28 | Wobin | AD US RP =) |
| 09:50.38 | Wobin | And all the oceanic servers are based in the US anyway |
| 09:51.13 | ZealotOnAStick | I have some close RL friends (what, just sort of, equalizes the lag for everyone?) who have RP chars on Argent Dawn. And probably about 6 other RP servers. |
| 09:51.43 | ZealotOnAStick | heh, amusing logo. |
| 09:52.32 | grimman | RP people are creepy. ;P |
| 09:52.38 | Wobin | It's true |
| 09:52.57 | Wobin | But RP servers tend to filter out a lot of the absolute morons |
| 09:53.04 | grimman | True. |
| 09:53.09 | Wobin | and the leetspeak is less evident |
| 09:53.13 | grimman | Except that once when I was bored. |
| 09:53.13 | ZealotOnAStick | Playing Horde does that to an extent. |
| 09:53.21 | Wobin | ZealotOnAStick: true dat |
| 09:53.24 | grimman | And subsequentially got my warning from Blizz. |
| 09:53.29 | ZealotOnAStick | While I LIKE my Blood Knight . . . |
| 09:53.52 | ZealotOnAStick | I also fear the drop in average skill and IQ the horde is going to experience. |
| 09:54.08 | ZealotOnAStick | I'm afraid every zone not instanced will turn into non-stop AV. |
| 09:55.09 | Wobin | Belfs will be the scourge of the Horde |
| 09:55.09 | Wobin | Alliance already has them =P |
| 09:55.30 | grimman | I should feel offended I guess, but I don't. |
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| 09:56.00 | grimman | Mostly since I'm also extremely annoyed about the massive amounts of NE hunters there are. |
| 09:56.10 | Wobin | all those future NEHunters that would ever roll will now roll Belfs |
| 09:56.34 | grimman | << NE hunter since US beta or something. |
| 09:56.55 | Wobin | It's true |
| 09:57.00 | Wobin | My first 60 was a NEHunter |
| 09:57.15 | Wobin | I tried a druid but couldn't get into it |
| 09:57.21 | Wobin | Then I tried the NEHunter |
| 09:58.04 | grimman | Druids are pretty nice too I guess... but then again, I like rogues and druid == rogue too. ;P |
| 09:58.52 | Wobin | heh, my second was a female dwarf priest |
| 09:58.58 | Wobin | then my latest is a humie rogue |
| 09:59.27 | grimman | The only classes I haven't tried are warrior and pala actually. |
| 09:59.49 | grimman | There's just nothing appealing about them. :( |
| 10:00.04 | Wobin | I feel exactly the same =) |
| 10:00.35 | Wobin | I would have been much happier if TBC had two new classes instead of races |
| 10:01.01 | grimman | That would be hard to balance... and what role would they have? |
| 10:01.01 | Wobin | even though the logistics of it is completely unacheivable =P |
| 10:01.23 | ZealotOnAStick | I'm just going to be happy to finally have blessings and seals for horde raiding. |
| 10:01.24 | Wobin | But I play on the beta a bit, and think... Hang on, I've done all this before. And I was shorter when I did it... |
| 10:01.39 | a-stray-cat | if i do sometable.something = sometable.somethingelse.anotherthing, and then i change sometable.something.var then sometable.somethingelse.anotherthing.var changes too right? |
| 10:01.58 | grimman | No. |
| 10:02.21 | Wobin | yes? |
| 10:02.23 | ckknight_ | yes |
| 10:02.29 | ckknight_ | it's reference equal |
| 10:02.40 | a-stray-cat | i see |
| 10:02.42 | a-stray-cat | thankie |
| 10:03.27 | grimman | Right. I missed the ".var", but it still doesn't look logical to me. So... explanation or should I just stfu and feel ashamed? ;) |
| 10:03.48 | ckknight | grimman, table assigning is reference equal |
| 10:03.54 | ckknight | i.e. it doesn't make a copy |
| 10:04.04 | ckknight | now go on, feel ashamed |
| 10:04.07 | grimman | Ah, which is obviously what I assumed was the case. |
| 10:04.09 | ckknight | we're all waiting |
| 10:04.11 | grimman | Sir, yes sir! |
| 10:04.12 | grimman | ;P |
| 10:04.42 | a-stray-cat | how can i get sometable.bool to reference someothertable.anotherbool |
| 10:04.43 | a-stray-cat | :( |
| 10:04.51 | a-stray-cat | without referencing the whole table |
| 10:05.01 | a-stray-cat | or can i not do that? |
| 10:05.19 | Wobin | not without making sometable = someothertable |
| 10:05.29 | ckknight | you could wrap the bool in a table |
| 10:05.37 | ckknight | that's the only way I can think |
| 10:05.38 | Wobin | since once you hit the .bool, it's no longer a reference equals |
| 10:05.44 | ckknight | yea |
| 10:05.54 | ckknight | tables are the only things with reference assignment |
| 10:06.01 | a-stray-cat | bew |
| 10:06.02 | a-stray-cat | thx |
| 10:06.07 | ckknight | well, that and functions and userdata and such |
| 10:06.19 | Kirov | and strings, technically, but they work different. |
| 10:06.28 | ckknight | but numbers and booleans are value assigned |
| 10:06.30 | Kirov | and that's just going to cause confusion. |
| 10:06.41 | ckknight | yea |
| 10:07.26 | a-stray-cat | i hate to say this, but i miss my *pointers :( |
| 10:07.40 | Wobin | hehe |
| 10:07.43 | ckknight | why? |
| 10:07.47 | ckknight | it's nicer without them |
| 10:07.51 | ckknight | and quite workable. |
| 10:07.59 | Wobin | &* |
| 10:08.06 | Wobin | **pointer |
| 10:08.09 | ckknight | watch your mouth, Wobin |
| 10:08.10 | a-stray-cat | because then i had pretty much absolute control over what was referencing what when ;O |
| 10:09.05 | a-stray-cat | but i guess its the same here |
| 10:09.20 | a-stray-cat | because only certain things reference, and always reference ;o |
| 10:09.26 | a-stray-cat | (if you do it a certain way) |
| 10:13.29 | ckknight | well, technically lua treats all values the same |
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| 10:13.46 | ckknight | because if you do db.value = db.value + 1 |
| 10:13.51 | ckknight | then db.value changed |
| 10:14.08 | ckknight | but if you were to copy it beforehand, it keeps the previous value |
| 10:14.11 | ckknight | and doesn't update |
| 10:14.32 | ckknight | since you're updating the reference of it |
| 10:14.40 | ckknight | if you catch what I'm saying |
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| 10:15.32 | a-stray-cat | no, actually i dont ;) |
| 10:15.56 | a-stray-cat | when you say a = b you expect a copy, generally |
| 10:16.32 | ckknight | think about it this way: |
| 10:16.45 | ckknight | everything in lua is a reference |
| 10:17.01 | ckknight | so say I have local alpha = 5 |
| 10:17.02 | Wobin | PS, could a WoWi admin, when they approve ReverseEngineering, move it back into it's original category? |
| 10:17.04 | ckknight | local bravo = alpha |
| 10:17.07 | ckknight | they're equal |
| 10:17.13 | ckknight | for here and evermore |
| 10:17.18 | ckknight | alpha = alpha + 1 |
| 10:17.24 | ckknight | now you changed alpha's reference value |
| 10:17.32 | ckknight | so bravo equals the previous alpha |
| 10:17.36 | ckknight | but not the new alpha |
| 10:17.43 | ckknight | since you changed its reference |
| 10:18.25 | a-stray-cat | i get it, but that's not really the same thing ;) |
| 10:18.37 | ckknight | in lua, it acts the same. |
| 10:18.40 | ckknight | just deal with that |
| 10:18.42 | a-stray-cat | you're saying that all values that = 5 |
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| 10:18.45 | a-stray-cat | point to some 5 some where |
| 10:18.49 | a-stray-cat | and that's the only 5 in existance |
| 10:18.57 | ckknight | that's how it acts. |
| 10:19.00 | ckknight | just accept it. |
| 10:19.08 | Wobin | hehe first stage =P |
| 10:19.13 | a-stray-cat | it matters not to me that thats how it works, that's not how people think of it :P |
| 10:19.18 | Wobin | oh wait, no, first stage is admitting you have a problem =P |
| 10:19.25 | ckknight | people are dumb |
| 10:19.37 | a-stray-cat | in many ways :P |
| 10:19.40 | ckknight | I thought the first stage was denial |
| 10:19.58 | Wobin | That's grief |
| 10:20.02 | Wobin | completetly different |
| 10:20.26 | ckknight | denial |
| 10:20.27 | ckknight | anger |
| 10:20.32 | ckknight | bargaining |
| 10:20.34 | ckknight | depression |
| 10:20.36 | ckknight | acceptance |
| 10:20.37 | ckknight | that's it |
| 10:20.48 | ckknight | a-stray-cat, you're probably going to go into the "anger" stage soon |
| 10:20.54 | Wobin | hehe |
| 10:20.59 | Wobin | I bet he won't |
| 10:21.07 | Wobin | QQ |
| 10:21.08 | ckknight | straight to bargaining? |
| 10:21.17 | Wobin | I'm speed stepping |
| 10:21.24 | a-stray-cat | im going to hit depression, and /wrists. |
| 10:21.24 | ckknight | "no, gief me my values" |
| 10:21.27 | a-stray-cat | like a proper wow player |
| 10:21.28 | ckknight | ~wrists |
| 10:21.30 | purl | Remember, emo kids, it's down the street, not across the road! http://www.saunalahti.fi/maut0n/makeitcount.jpg |
| 10:22.21 | a-stray-cat | im going to wrists like man. rather, /neck |
| 10:24.10 | a-stray-cat | http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/images/razor2.gif |
| 10:24.13 | ckknight | oh well, a time-honored traditition |
| 10:24.18 | ckknight | tradition* |
| 10:24.48 | a-stray-cat | alrite, time for bed |
| 10:25.02 | a-stray-cat | have jury duty in the morning (better /neck there). |
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| 11:08.46 | phreaky | I used to have an addon where i could just type [Runecloth] and it got the same as i shift clicked an item.. that was very usefull if u did not have the item your self.. do any1 know wich addon it is? |
| 11:09.00 | Codayus | phreaky: KC_Items, Ludwig, possibly others. |
| 11:09.42 | phreaky | Thank's alot :) I've tried to find it again |
| 11:09.47 | Codayus | phreaky: Oh, and also Linkerator, I believe. |
| 11:10.06 | phreaky | But KC_Items is some kid of pack that includes many stuff, right? |
| 11:10.10 | phreaky | kid = kind |
| 11:10.57 | Codayus | Mmm, it's got some auction tools, yes. |
| 11:11.22 | phreaky | Thank's alot though.. :) |
| 11:11.24 | phreaky | I'll try it out |
| 11:12.11 | Kaelten | phreaky: you can also scale down KC_Items though by deleting the other subfolders |
| 11:12.30 | phreaky | Kaelten: okey :) thnks |
| 11:12.39 | Kaelten | :) |
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| 11:41.46 | Elessdy | so. model replacement via patch files. bannable? enforced? |
| 11:42.26 | Kaelten | Elessdy: its officially a no no, I'm not sure of what level they enforce though |
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| 11:43.35 | zenzelezz | probably depends on the severity of what you do |
| 11:43.37 | Elessdy | for any further responses, i mean specifically non-exploiting replacement, if they make a differentiation |
| 11:44.03 | zenzelezz | if it's just to make your friends undead, I doubt it's high priority... but if you're, say, skipping from Skeram to C'thun... well, you heard what happens :-p |
| 11:44.16 | Elessdy | indeed |
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| 11:44.32 | Elessdy | by some coincidence, i have |
| 11:45.07 | Antari | If they add some automated check in the future though, I doubt it'll note the difference between changing friends to undead and skipping to C'Thun |
| 11:45.19 | zenzelezz | if it's automated then I agree |
| 11:45.33 | zenzelezz | but I haven't heard of enough bans to believe it is |
| 11:46.05 | zenzelezz | not at the moment at least. But that's speculation on my part |
| 11:46.21 | Elessdy | i'm getting the impression from conversations with other people that, at least in 1.11, they didn't bother to ban people using non-exploiting replacements |
| 11:46.28 | Elessdy | er, 1.11 and 1.12 |
| 11:47.12 | Codayus | The question is, of course, how much you want to risk on a GM noticing and/or understanding the difference... :-/ |
| 11:47.46 | Elessdy | well, of course it would all be up to warden if it didn't involve a behavioral difference. and you didn't talk about it. |
| 11:47.52 | Antari | I don't think they are currently banning people for 'harmless' replacements, HOWEVER, they have specifically said your only supposed to modify the UI, and they could at any time add an automated ban-all check |
| 11:48.13 | Codayus | True, although I'm assuming a GM would be in the loop for any banning, even if it was discovered by warden. |
| 11:48.27 | Codayus | Although based on my interactions with GMs, I'm not sure if that should make me feel better or not... :-) |
| 11:48.32 | Antari | You assume too much of the GMs |
| 11:49.46 | Codayus | Antari: Mmm, not *of* the GMs. I'm assuming a GM has to rubber stamp any actual banning; I'm not assuming they'd actually understand the situation... :-D |
| 11:51.40 | Elessdy | maybe. |
| 11:54.24 | Elessdy | the mass temporary ban of linux users suggests that the report they'd get may not be a particularly detailed one |
| 11:56.43 | zenzelezz | I thought that was mostly sploiters shouting "foul!" at being caught? |
| 11:58.24 | Elessdy | from what i understand, according to a fairly reputable-looking WoW news site, a bunch of linux users (who run WoW through a windows emulation thingy) were banned for a while. after blizzard was made to understand what was going on, they updated warden, lifted the bans, and credited the players a bit of time |
| 11:58.45 | Elessdy | i can probably find the article |
| 11:59.16 | sancus_ | warden definitely doesnt check client files atm |
| 12:00.01 | sancus_ | The only really effective way to do that is to checksum the entire dataset and that's noticeable :) |
| 12:00.07 | Elessdy | http://linuxlookup.com/2006/nov/22/blizzard_unbans_linux_world_of_warcraft_players |
| 12:00.22 | Elessdy | http://news.softpedia.com/news/Linux-Users-Get-Unbanned-From-World-of-Warcraft-Servers-40790.shtml |
| 12:00.40 | foxlit | If they're checking hashes, there must be a bussiness for making hash-collision patches |
| 12:00.41 | sancus_ | detecting executables on your system that interact with WoW is completely different and totally unrelated |
| 12:00.51 | Elessdy | indeed. |
| 12:01.07 | sancus_ | they aren't checking hashes |
| 12:01.15 | sancus_ | again, would've been noticed |
| 12:02.07 | sancus_ | There isn't really a need to, frankly, and Blizzard, if nothing else, is heavily minimalist when it comes to security. |
| 12:03.34 | zenzelezz | things like the Skeram->C'thun exploit shouldn't be possible with client-side modification really :-| |
| 12:03.37 | Elessdy | well, compared to some noob half-life server admin who will ban you for playing too well... |
| 12:03.54 | sancus_ | zenzelezz: They shouldn't be possible if your mmog was designed with security first, WoW was designed with performance first, security not considered relevant. |
| 12:03.59 | Elessdy | i wouldn't call them minimalist, though. warden is a powerful thing if they can keep up with the hacks. |
| 12:04.06 | sancus_ | warden's not powerful |
| 12:04.19 | zenzelezz | sancus_: yeah, that's pretty much what I meant |
| 12:04.25 | sancus_ | every decent mmog that's ever came out has had the same thing, and they were always quite effective |
| 12:04.54 | sancus_ | When you distribute a hack publically, that means the _developers_ can get their hands on it trivially |
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| 12:05.07 | sancus_ | so its not exactly hard for them to detect it :P |
| 12:05.31 | Elessdy | correct, but i'm not so sure "all" mmorpgs have always scanned for interactive processes |
| 12:05.42 | sancus_ | well all the ones I've known devs within have |
| 12:05.44 | Elessdy | d2 didn't until 1.10 or 1.11 |
| 12:05.47 | sancus_ | mythic was quite good |
| 12:05.51 | sancus_ | d2 was never an mmorpg |
| 12:05.51 | Elessdy | (and i understand that's not an mmorpg) |
| 12:06.00 | Elessdy | (but it's a start of an example) |
| 12:06.20 | Elessdy | everquest seems to have plenty of cheating from what i understand. that may or may not involve the use of interactive processes |
| 12:06.20 | sancus_ | It's not the same. You're paying a continuing fee for them, partially, to keep up with such things. |
| 12:06.51 | sancus_ | And well, d2 was a naive time in game developer land :) |
| 12:07.06 | Elessdy | we danced through the daisies |
| 12:07.14 | Elessdy | hand in hand |
| 12:07.33 | sancus_ | I doubt EQ has any really effective interactive cheating these days, it's possible they did back in the day |
| 12:07.56 | sancus_ | Keeping in mind, that, you can always write your _own_ hack and if you don't distribute it, it's fairly effective and won't be detected |
| 12:08.14 | sancus_ | I mean, heck, I've played WoW for 2 years and never actually fished without using a fishbot |
| 12:08.36 | sancus_ | I dont play anymore, but you get the point |
| 12:08.41 | Elessdy | arr |
| 12:09.29 | sancus_ | Blizzard took the tactic that they would design their client for performance, and well, if cheating ever became widespread, they'd control it with GMs. |
| 12:09.51 | sancus_ | It seems to have worked out reasonably well for them so far, and they dont really care about random individuals botting with their own tools. |
| 12:10.21 | Elessdy | other players fishbotting is certainly not one of my number one concerns |
| 12:10.34 | sancus_ | The reason they cracked down so hard on the dumbasses abusing the client side hacks to skip to cthun |
| 12:10.44 | sancus_ | is because they can't afford for that kind of nonsense to become widespread |
| 12:10.52 | Elessdy | indeed |
| 12:11.04 | sancus_ | And so I'm fairly confident that's how they'll continue to handle it |
| 12:11.42 | sancus_ | mostly because that hack has been known for over a year, and they still haven't fixed it programming-wise, so there's no reason to believe they ever will(or even want to) |
| 12:12.15 | sancus_ | mind you, they never fixed teleport hacks either |
| 12:12.31 | sancus_ | But their detection is very fast and accurate these days |
| 12:14.51 | sancus_ | in other news, I recommended everyone watch Terry Pratchett's Hogfather, cuz it rules! |
| 12:14.54 | sancus_ | er recommend |
| 12:15.01 | foxlit | watch, read? |
| 12:15.09 | sancus_ | watch |
| 12:15.23 | Elessdy | "watch" he says |
| 12:15.25 | sancus_ | they made a tv movie out of it for the british sci fi network |
| 12:15.28 | sancus_ | it's quite good |
| 12:15.35 | sancus_ | available where tv torrents are usually found |
| 12:15.39 | zenzelezz | "Crapper"... hunters give their pets such meaningful names |
| 12:16.11 | sancus_ | I hope they release it on DVD here |
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| 12:44.31 | Kaso | arg, my /click is tainted somehow >.< |
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| 12:58.55 | KiphereCE|Sleep | I DONT WANT TO GO TO WORK |
| 13:00.03 | KiphereCE | blah, big help you guys are. |
| 13:00.48 | KiphereCE | ~emulate zenzelezz |
| 13:00.57 | purl | OMG STOP TALKIN TO TEH BOT! |
| 13:03.43 | KiphereCE | BAI |
| 13:03.51 | zenzelezz | have fun |
| 13:04.04 | Kiphere|Home | if works slow I'm logging in with the web IRC :p |
| 13:04.11 | Kiphere|Home | and it'll be slow bwahaha |
| 13:05.14 | Industrial | im gon' eatcho cornbread |
| 13:05.19 | Industrial | I mean hi |
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| 13:44.10 | Bouvi | Good Morning UI Devlopers <- pretend I said it like Good Morning Vietnam |
| 13:45.11 | YammYgirlcoding | gooood moooorning |
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| 14:01.15 | Kiphere|Work | yar wonky |
| 14:02.41 | Bouvi | ~morning |
| 14:02.48 | purl | Good morning! |
| 14:03.08 | Bouvi | purl is a little slow this morning |
| 14:04.13 | Kiphere|Work | ~coffee |
| 14:08.25 | Kiphere|Work | kitty at my foot and I wanna touch it. |
| 14:12.03 | Bouvi | O.o |
| 14:25.55 | Wobin | any admins online? |
| 14:27.28 | Bouvi | I am just a lowly peon in a world of greats |
| 14:31.47 | Kiphere|Work | kitty at my foot and I wannnnnna touch it. |
| 14:32.36 | Kiphere|Work | meow meow, meowmeow meowmeow |
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| 14:39.08 | Kiphere|Work | send a secret message, send it by worm, so vibrating spiders will recieve the word |
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| 15:02.07 | malreth | two days in a row and I still smell like mildew. WTH!?! |
| 15:05.32 | malreth | ... |
| 15:06.03 | krka | that's a weird thing to say |
| 15:06.35 | zenzelezz | for most people perhaps, but that was malreth... |
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| 15:08.19 | malreth | ... |
| 15:08.22 | malreth | ok... now that's working |
| 15:08.35 | malreth | i'm mildewy |
| 15:08.46 | malreth | i must have a mildew infection |
| 15:09.12 | zenzelezz | you look a little pale |
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| 15:16.37 | malreth | forum hamsters are dead |
| 15:16.57 | malreth | i even had a reply composed for someone... but they're dead dead |
| 15:17.08 | malreth | postus interruptus |
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| 15:27.41 | Kiphere|Work | Malreth, you have to scrub extra special hard in those 'crease' parts of the body or fungi friends will grow there. |
| 15:28.19 | malreth | i shower every day... and yet i still spell like mildew... WTH?!! |
| 15:28.30 | malreth | i blame the environment |
| 15:28.35 | Bouvi | Clean your shower head |
| 15:28.40 | Kiphere|Work | you sure it's not something near you that smells? |
| 15:29.37 | malreth | nope |
| 15:29.43 | malreth | nope |
| 15:29.45 | Kiphere|Work | like, go to another room and sniff yourself again |
| 15:29.55 | Kiphere|Work | if you still smell then its deffinitely you. |
| 15:29.58 | Bouvi | Could be something in your nose |
| 15:30.06 | malreth | it could be my nose |
| 15:30.12 | malreth | a mildew cancer of the nose |
| 15:30.22 | krka | maybe you are a fungus, and not a human |
| 15:30.23 | Kiphere|Work | fungal nose infections are possible. |
| 15:30.25 | Bouvi | Got any stagnant water up there |
| 15:30.27 | krka | ever considered that? |
| 15:30.36 | krka | like toad, in super mario |
| 15:30.38 | zenzelezz | malreth, the fungus among us |
| 15:32.08 | Kiphere|Work | ~pie |
| 15:32.10 | purl | Mmmmmm PIE! |
| 15:32.18 | Kiphere|Work | ~emulate malreth |
| 15:32.19 | purl | i never thought of myself as narcissistic but you know what? I AM! |
| 15:32.40 | Kiphere|Work | unless that means 'mushroom like' I think purl is confused. |
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| 15:42.17 | foxlit | So 2.0.2 goes live in US today? |
| 15:43.33 | Cide | not getting any patch on login (yet at least) |
| 15:44.12 | Wobin | Any wowi admins? |
| 15:45.00 | Kiphere|Work | I didn't think they planned on launching any more of the 'beta builds' on live |
| 15:45.00 | malreth | 2.0.2 goes live when TBC is released |
| 15:45.25 | Cide | beta is 2.0.3 right now |
| 15:45.32 | Cide | so I wouldn't count on that |
| 15:45.37 | Kiphere|Work | and 2.0.2 is still a beta build. |
| 15:45.41 | malreth | hmm... |
| 15:45.48 | Wobin | =( |
| 15:45.54 | Wobin | I really want 2.02 to go live |
| 15:46.03 | Kiphere|Work | I personally doubt it'll happen. |
| 15:46.08 | malreth | i don't think blizzard would tempt the fates by patching during the holidays |
| 15:46.13 | Kiphere|Work | more work that its worth. |
| 15:46.18 | Wobin | it's buggy enough as it is =P |
| 15:46.26 | Kiphere|Work | they'll ride the existing build out until launch. |
| 15:46.39 | Wobin | Alas |
| 15:46.39 | Kiphere|Work | I'm pissed enough that TBC got bumped and now I don't get to play it during me week and a half off for christmas. |
| 15:46.58 | Wobin | blah |
| 15:47.02 | Wobin | Sleep time |
| 15:47.04 | Wobin | night =) |
| 15:47.20 | Kiphere|Work | probably gonna take a week off in january to play after it stabalizes post launch |
| 15:48.00 | Kiphere|Work | I need to go to a barbershop and get my goatee trimmed. |
| 15:51.11 | Scre3m | wereHamster, *ping* |
| 15:51.56 | wereHamster | Scre3m, pong |
| 15:52.47 | Scre3m | i installed serenity last night, i like it, but how do you configure it? |
| 15:53.08 | wereHamster | edit the source files |
| 15:53.14 | Scre3m | oh lol |
| 15:53.25 | Scre3m | i'll pass :) |
| 15:53.49 | foxlit | EU UI forums are such a bore. |
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| 15:54.17 | wereHamster | Scre3m, what would you like to change? |
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| 15:55.38 | Scre3m | move the windows around, etc. |
| 15:55.54 | Scre3m | and i can't figure out how to reply to whispers |
| 15:56.05 | Scre3m | (with or w/o WIM installed) |
| 15:57.20 | Kiphere|Work | everybody wants to be naked and famous |
| 15:58.20 | Kiphere|Work | so, I was messing around with the spell icon graphics. |
| 15:58.39 | Kiphere|Work | and it's only gonna take me about 1 night's work to convert all the icons to a round format |
| 15:59.05 | wereHamster | Scre3m, a simple /r should work, but maybe I didn't commit the changes to the svn repo .. |
| 15:59.08 | Kiphere|Work | and creating the round frames should be simple because i'm maintaining the horizontal and vertical maximum |
| 15:59.42 | Kiphere|Work | the question would be, how can I add them to the game so they're 'optional' and not just as a replacement for the square icons |
| 15:59.56 | Kiphere|Work | doing a whole hog replacement is easy |
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| 16:03.49 | Scre3m | wereHamster, i did not try /r, but just "r" does not seem to work |
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| 16:21.18 | Kiphere|Work | Kirk is weird. |
| 16:22.07 | zenzelezz | my realm seems to have gone tits up... naturally it happens while I'm underwater |
| 16:22.34 | Scre3m | weekly maintenance? |
| 16:22.35 | Kiphere|Work | well, at least with them up you can appreciate them. |
| 16:24.55 | Kiphere|Work | scooby doo icecream? |
| 16:26.19 | Kiphere|Work | mmm, magtheridon is gonna be an awesome fight. |
| 16:26.23 | Kiphere|Work | thats what 'raids' should be. |
| 16:26.39 | Kiphere|Work | not clearing trash or long dungeon crawls with 40 people. |
| 16:26.59 | Kiphere|Work | but an encounter, one, big mean sumbitch that takes practice, timing, and skillful play to kill. not patience. |
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| 16:31.20 | zenzelezz | Scre3m: not for another 12 hours |
| 16:33.07 | kergoth | does wowi have rss feeds? like for its 'latest submissions'? |
| 16:33.12 | Scre3m | yes |
| 16:33.35 | Scre3m | which reminds me, does anyone know of an rss feed for Blizzard/WoW news? |
| 16:35.55 | kergoth | ah, there it is. thanks :) |
| 16:37.30 | Elessdy | Kiphere has a point about trash getting boring fast |
| 16:38.59 | Kiphere|Work | trash is pointless, its a timesink. |
| 16:39.06 | Kiphere|Work | frankly I want my raids to be ~1 hour |
| 16:39.11 | Kiphere|Work | I 'love' raiding, don't get me wrong. |
| 16:39.32 | Scre3m | i especially hate the rep time siniks |
| 16:39.34 | Elessdy | i'm in it for the bosses, as i think is everyone. |
| 16:39.35 | Kiphere|Work | but things like MC ruin it for me. THe boss fights are what we care about, trash clearing with 40 people, or even 25 is bullshit imo. |
| 16:39.49 | Kiphere|Work | make a 10man with trash like Karazahn and I"m ok |
| 16:39.54 | Kiphere|Work | I dont' mind crawling with 10 folks. |
| 16:39.58 | Scre3m | couldn't agree more, Kiphere |
| 16:40.00 | zenzelezz | Kiphere: I don't want just one fight in a big instance, but there could be simply big bosses, no (or not much) trash. Only one fight would feel... Onyxia |
| 16:40.10 | Elessdy | actually, i also don't like crawling with 10 people |
| 16:40.17 | Elessdy | i spent 8 hours in UBRS, once. |
| 16:40.18 | kergoth | wait, i'm still missing it.. i see this silly rss-like generator thingy for putting it on your own web page, but wheres the url to the proper rss feed |
| 16:40.25 | zenzelezz | Elessdy: O_O |
| 16:40.48 | Kiphere|Work | sec, actual work. back in a minute, hold that thought. |
| 16:40.49 | Elessdy | i'm rather excited to avoid pugs in UBRS |
| 16:41.10 | Scre3m | go to wowinterface.com, and click on the rss icon in the address bar (of Firefox) |
| 16:41.56 | kergoth | ahh right, i'm blind |
| 16:41.57 | kergoth | thanks |
| 16:42.08 | Xuerian | www.wowinterface.com/rss.php?f=latest |
| 16:46.50 | Elessdy | oh pooh. i'm starting to get low on drive space again. |
| 16:47.12 | Elessdy | i guess downloading ps2 games 3gb at a time puts a bit of a strain on it. :( |
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| 16:51.55 | axxo | stroke! |
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| 17:02.02 | krisla | hi |
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| 17:11.30 | JoshBork1 | hola! |
| 17:11.59 | zenzelezz | ffs, I swear the server keeps screwing up just because I'm killing murlocs |
| 17:12.36 | [Liquidor] | Hahahaha guys you gotta watch this: http://www.break.com/index/george_bush_whos_on_first.html |
| 17:16.41 | zenzelezz | something weird is up with either my server, or my connection... huge lag spikes out of nowhere |
| 17:17.59 | krisla | just watched it, how hilarious |
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| 17:18.53 | JoshBork1 | morning Cairenn. morning ckknight |
| 17:19.59 | zenzelezz | I'm getting the distinct impression that rolling a char on EU-Aerie Peak was a stupid idea |
| 17:21.51 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 17:22.12 | Cairenn | that video was funny |
| 17:22.51 | krisla | heh |
| 17:22.55 | krisla | Hu ? |
| 17:23.01 | krisla | yeah Hu |
| 17:25.52 | Cairenn | blizz forums are down, huh? |
| 17:26.20 | krisla | alot like your PM's :) |
| 17:26.45 | Cairenn | ? |
| 17:26.54 | krisla | been trying to whisper ya |
| 17:27.00 | krisla | am wondering somthing |
| 17:27.08 | Cairenn | you need to register your name |
| 17:27.11 | zenzelezz | are you registered and logged in? |
| 17:27.18 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:27.28 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:27.48 | zenzelezz | check your status window, you'll probably see a few "zomg can't message as anonymous!!" |
| 17:27.53 | Kiphere|Work | HI |
| 17:27.59 | Kiphere|Work | work sucks. |
| 17:28.43 | Kiphere|Work | some one come do my job so I can go home and take a nap under the christmas tree. |
| 17:28.47 | Kiphere|Work | (it smells good down there) |
| 17:29.17 | Cairenn | hi Kiphere|Work |
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| 17:29.57 | Kiphere|Work | I havn't had time to sit down and redo my design images. |
| 17:30.21 | Kiphere|Work | I'm rethinking how I wanna do them. probably going to just do generic images over a screenshot with no UI so I can put perspective on them |
| 17:33.26 | zenzelezz | I find it rather aggravating to have the server apparently go down three times in two hours x.x |
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| 17:36.21 | zenzelezz | that's new... no mobs moving for 5 minutes, no progress on my spell cast... but I do get the "You are now AFK: Away from Keyboard" message |
| 17:37.46 | krisla | that means, hold your butt cheecks, server coming down hard |
| 17:38.28 | Cairenn | uh oh |
| 17:38.32 | krisla | heh |
| 17:38.46 | Cairenn | every time he changes his nick to that, he makes some smartass comment |
| 17:39.03 | krisla | ill protect ya :) |
| 17:39.22 | zenzelezz | FFS, that's three deaths because of the server screwing up |
| 17:39.28 | cdog | nah... just registering my various nicks :) |
| 17:39.35 | Cairenn | ahhhh |
| 17:39.38 | cdog | never got around to it |
| 17:39.42 | Cairenn | don't forget to link them as well |
| 17:39.55 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:40.24 | krisla | the new /lfm and /lfg ... yuk |
| 17:40.26 | cdog | yep. i've got cogwheel, cogwheel_, cogwheel|work, & cdog registered & linked :) |
| 17:41.20 | Cairenn | :) |
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| 17:41.27 | Cairenn | lol, I've got more than just a few |
| 17:41.30 | krisla | CTA ftw! |
| 17:41.40 | krisla | down with /lfg ! |
| 17:41.41 | krisla | :) |
| 17:42.33 | Cairenn | Cairenn, Cairenn|shopping, Cairenn|migraine, Cairenn|meeting, Cairenn|cranky, Cairenn|loopy, Cairenn|sleep, Cairenn|shower, Cairenn|walk, Cairenn|afk2, Cairenn|wow, Cairenn|nap, Cairenn|afk, Cair |
| 17:42.46 | axxo | you sir, are an irc noob |
| 17:42.48 | Cide | krisla: and by doing that, you make it even worse |
| 17:42.54 | axxo | status nicks are a nono |
| 17:42.59 | Cide | or rather, you make it worse |
| 17:43.05 | Cide | it's quite useful if people use it |
| 17:43.23 | Cairenn | axxo: why? |
| 17:43.55 | Kiphere|Work | heh, axxo called you sir. |
| 17:44.06 | axxo | because the entire channel doesn't need to know nor care |
| 17:44.10 | axxo | its just useless spam |
| 17:44.17 | Kiphere|Work | I disagree. |
| 17:44.20 | axxo | set an away message with /away, and ppl that care can read it |
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| 17:44.45 | axxo | its just like the stupid /me is now away, taking a dump for 5sec |
| 17:44.51 | axxo | then /me baaack |
| 17:44.58 | axxo | and then /me going for some dinner |
| 17:45.03 | zenzelezz | karma axxo-- |
| 17:45.06 | axxo | its rediculous and stupid |
| 17:45.10 | Kiphere|Work | Come in here lookin for Cairenn or Iriel specifically and find out they're |AFK or |WORK and I don't PM them, get no answer, get sad because they're ignoring me, and run to my closet to write another poem/dye my hair/cry |
| 17:45.17 | Cairenn | that's your opinion and you are entitled to it |
| 17:45.23 | krisla | since axxo you are an irc pro, and i am no where near your status, would you kindly guide me on the correct format to /ignore axxo ? |
| 17:45.29 | Beladona | status nicks are important in channels where questions are asked a lot to individuals |
| 17:45.31 | axxo | Kiphere|Work: you /whois them, get the info, or query them and get the message |
| 17:45.43 | Beladona | if you ask someone something, and they are afk, how do you know that |
| 17:45.48 | axxo | krisla: just like that /ignore axxo, hf |
| 17:45.51 | Beladona | unless they use a status nick |
| 17:45.59 | krisla | thank you all mighty irc_pro |
| 17:46.05 | axxo | Beladona: irc has an away status, use it |
| 17:46.22 | Kiphere|Work | You're also in an IRC room that is frequented by folks that download IRC expressely to ask the folks in here a question, who might not (chances are don't) know the various intricacies of IRC and would be frustrated by being required to know 'advanced' usage just to get an answer from the folks here. |
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| 17:46.30 | Beladona | some people prefer status nicks |
| 17:46.32 | Kiphere|Work | or they can log in and see |work and not get frustrated. |
| 17:46.36 | Beladona | it is easier and faster to recognize |
| 17:46.49 | axxo | its harder for ppl to find you |
| 17:46.56 | Beladona | why? |
| 17:47.02 | zenzelezz | now now, let's not argue with the pro, he obviously knows what's right and wrong and we should all bow to his superior wits |
| 17:47.10 | axxo | those new peole won't know |work isn't part of your name |
| 17:47.15 | Kiphere|Work | if this was an 'irc community' I'd agree with you Axxo but its not, its a chat room for a web/game community. |
| 17:47.16 | cogwheel|work | O.o |
| 17:47.16 | axxo | and they can use your nick to find you |
| 17:47.18 | axxo | *can't |
| 17:47.25 | Kiphere|Work | anyone who comes in here and see's |
| 17:47.31 | krisla | axxo... please leave? |
| 17:47.34 | Beladona | if you are using a status nick, then you probably don't care if they find you |
| 17:47.41 | Beladona | since you aren't available anyway |
| 17:48.13 | Beladona | and fyi, I do use irc away status |
| 17:48.13 | cogwheel|work | If I go ~seen Cairenn, it'll tell me the last time she was actually here precisely BECAUSE she uses a status... |
| 17:48.15 | axxo | heh, then logout |
| 17:48.22 | axxhole | wow, im now a pro |
| 17:48.33 | Beladona | axxo: in the end it really doesn't matter. People will use whatever they want |
| 17:48.34 | Cairenn | krisla, stop |
| 17:48.37 | axxhole | k |
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| 17:48.51 | axxo | axxhole: you're just trolling, stop it, your making yourself look bad to the rest |
| 17:49.01 | zenzelezz | not unlike you |
| 17:49.05 | Beladona | guys |
| 17:49.10 | axxo | i'm stating my opinion |
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| 17:49.13 | Beladona | keep the respect level where it belongs |
| 17:49.28 | Kiphere|IRCNewb | it's possible to state an opinion without insulting people in the process. |
| 17:49.38 | Beladona | he didn't insult anyone |
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| 17:49.47 | axxo | its also possible to know 'noob' isn't used literly |
| 17:49.56 | a-juror-cat | stupid jury duty :( |
| 17:50.23 | Beladona | so... anyone tried adon development in vista? |
| 17:50.27 | Beladona | addon |
| 17:50.31 | Cairenn | you're on jury duty and you're in here? |
| 17:50.37 | a-juror-cat | why yes. |
| 17:50.37 | Cairenn | errrr o.O |
| 17:50.38 | axxo | how would that be any diffrend from any other os Beladona ? :) |
| 17:50.41 | a-juror-cat | they have internet terminals |
| 17:50.43 | cogwheel|work | "its rediculous and stupid" <-- looks insulting to me... (and it was to me, actually, though for some reason I'm the only one that didn't get all worked up) |
| 17:50.43 | a-juror-cat | in the waiting room |
| 17:50.53 | a-juror-cat | i have a chance not to be called |
| 17:50.56 | Beladona | and user privileges system is a serious pain in the ass for file operations |
| 17:50.59 | a-juror-cat | THE ENTIRE DAY UNTIL 4PM |
| 17:51.00 | Kiphere|IRCNewb | thats what I was referring to Cog. |
| 17:51.03 | Beladona | but not enough for me to turn it off |
| 17:51.14 | Cairenn | ah, so you haven't actually been selected yet |
| 17:51.16 | a-juror-cat | so i shucked out the money for the terminal :/ |
| 17:51.20 | Cairenn | okay, makes more sense now |
| 17:51.40 | a-juror-cat | it surprisingly costs less money than paying for t-mobile day pass at a starbucks |
| 17:51.42 | a-juror-cat | i think |
| 17:51.42 | Kiphere|Work | I hope they have good soup today, I don't wanna go offsite for lunch >< |
| 17:52.18 | Kiphere|Work | I cant wait for CES, one of my purchases next year is going to be some form of mobile internet access. |
| 17:52.30 | Beladona | I do like vista though |
| 17:52.34 | Beladona | its a welcome upgrade |
| 17:52.39 | Kiphere|Work | eitehr a UMPC, ultra portable lappy, or a nice smartphone if it has a good 'real' browser. |
| 17:52.41 | Beladona | been using a week now |
| 17:52.48 | Kiphere|Work | what version Bela? |
| 17:52.59 | Kiphere|Work | I'm debating what type to buy, I'm considering the 'ultimate' at this point |
| 17:53.00 | Beladona | Ultimate, full (not RC) |
| 17:53.11 | Kiphere|Work | ;_; how'd you get it? |
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| 17:53.18 | Beladona | technet |
| 17:53.27 | Kiphere|Work | I needs >< |
| 17:53.28 | Beladona | I am graced with an account |
| 17:53.30 | Beladona | =P |
| 17:53.31 | a-juror-cat | whoops, back button :X |
| 17:53.34 | Kiphere|Work | is it 'legal' I dunno what technet is |
| 17:53.49 | cogwheel|work | technet is a MS subscription service |
| 17:53.53 | Beladona | microsoft technet gives you the right to test and run almost all microsoft software |
| 17:54.08 | Kiphere|Work | ahh, I'm on their beta program now. |
| 17:54.13 | a-juror-cat | can you lock a tab in firefox? |
| 17:54.19 | Beladona | for example my vista ultimate key allows me to activate it on up to 10 computers |
| 17:54.27 | Kiphere|Work | nice. |
| 17:54.27 | Beladona | but the license states only I can use it |
| 17:54.31 | Beladona | =P |
| 17:54.33 | Kiphere|Work | you live anywhere near Fort Worth? :P |
| 17:55.05 | Beladona | honestly though, ultimate is pretty much the same as home premium |
| 17:55.09 | Kiphere|Work | I get really, REALLY good discounts through work |
| 17:55.22 | Beladona | only differences are the ability to join a domain, and a few special business based features |
| 17:55.26 | Kiphere|Work | so i'm grabbing one version or another as soon as public release hits |
| 17:55.42 | Kiphere|Work | ahh, I'll be going with home premium then most likely ;p |
| 17:55.47 | Beladona | oh and ultimate comes with a dvd decoder built in |
| 17:55.48 | a-juror-cat | are the forums down? |
| 17:55.50 | axxo | ultimate the new proffesional? |
| 17:55.51 | Beladona | not sure if premium does |
| 17:55.58 | Kiphere|Work | the computer its going on doesnt join my home domain. |
| 17:56.00 | axxo | ah the joy of pr |
| 17:56.00 | Beladona | no, there has never been anything like ultimate |
| 17:56.15 | cogwheel|work | Business is the new Professional |
| 17:56.17 | Beladona | its business + home premium |
| 17:56.21 | Beladona | every feature vista can have |
| 17:56.25 | Beladona | is in ultimate |
| 17:56.32 | cogwheel|work | ultimate has media center features |
| 17:56.39 | Beladona | so does home premium |
| 17:56.43 | Beladona | brb |
| 17:56.47 | cogwheel|work | but not business |
| 17:56.51 | Kiphere|Work | <insert random "All the crashes of Business and Home!" obligatory joke> |
| 17:56.57 | axxo | wonder when they'll have a gamer1111lol version |
| 17:57.16 | cogwheel|work | axxo: that's what the "Games For Windows" initiative is all about... |
| 17:57.20 | Kiphere|Work | vista in general is the gamer version :p |
| 17:57.56 | axxo | cogwheel|work: seen that title popup in some news site, haven't had the hearth to read it |
| 17:58.10 | Kiphere|Work | it's actualy pretty decent looking. |
| 17:58.32 | Kiphere|Work | '07 is gonna be a pretty big year for MS if they handle it properly they can help redefine themselves a bit |
| 17:58.37 | axxo | "10 reasons why gaming on Windows XP rocks" lowl |
| 17:58.39 | cogwheel|work | It's some promotional program MS is doing to try to make computers more like consoles... Games "just run", they're supposed to use similar packaging, etc. |
| 17:59.12 | axxo | in my experience they allready just run, and most things use installshieldish things |
| 17:59.13 | Kiphere|Work | and all 'games for windows' games HAVE to support the 360 controller, actual support not some ghetto controller driver that makes it work. |
| 17:59.23 | axxo | decorating the reinvited wheel? |
| 17:59.38 | Kiphere|Work | plus they're starting a big pushto start cross platform games for xbox/windows |
| 17:59.50 | axxo | thats pritty neat |
| 17:59.54 | Kiphere|Work | they're not really reinventing the wheel, they're tryin to blur the lines between two already existing wheels. |
| 18:00.19 | Kiphere|Work | by next holiday season the Zune, Xbox, and Vista PC will be one happy electronic orgy of media and entertainment. |
| 18:00.37 | axxo | scares me kinda |
| 18:00.41 | Kiphere|Work | yup me too. |
| 18:00.46 | Kiphere|Work | but in a good way lol |
| 18:01.21 | Kiphere|Work | I've always been a lil anti microsoft but this last year I've noticed a lot of changes in the overall company approach that make me have high hopes for its future. I'm HUGE on interoperbaility between all my gadgets. |
| 18:01.28 | Beladona | I think ultimate is supposed to be the "gamer" version |
| 18:01.41 | Beladona | and possibly home premium |
| 18:01.53 | Kiphere|Work | the PC that's getting vista is my gaming box. |
| 18:02.02 | Beladona | I thought the whole aero glass thing was going to be hokey, but I have to be honest |
| 18:02.03 | Beladona | I love it |
| 18:02.04 | Kiphere|Work | nothing gets loaded on it cept my games, I don't even run IMs or vent on it. |
| 18:02.19 | Beladona | and a lot of the "little" things that they did really makes it work so much better than vista |
| 18:02.32 | Kiphere|Work | s/vista/xp/ |
| 18:02.39 | Kiphere|Work | right? :P |
| 18:02.51 | Beladona | yeah |
| 18:02.53 | Beladona | sorry |
| 18:03.33 | axxo | haven't used it yet |
| 18:03.45 | Beladona | my only problem is the UAC right now. It really does get annoying sometimes |
| 18:03.53 | Kiphere|Work | UAC? |
| 18:03.55 | axxo | but most ppl i know the first thing they do is turn all the windows xp fancy effects off |
| 18:04.04 | Beladona | that and I installed it before it is available to retail, so the nvidia drivers are a bit "unstable" |
| 18:04.07 | Kiphere|Work | I'm not real familiar with vista, I've tried to not read into it too much intentionally so I could 'figure it out' when I get it |
| 18:04.21 | axxo | Kiphere|Work: its not a game :P |
| 18:04.25 | axxo | or movie |
| 18:04.29 | Beladona | axxo: I turned off all the fancy effects in xp too |
| 18:04.39 | Beladona | this time though, I like them on |
| 18:04.42 | Kiphere|Work | axxo, I'm a geek. |
| 18:05.00 | Kiphere|Work | everything with a user input turns into a game for me ;) |
| 18:05.14 | Beladona | UAC: User Account Control |
| 18:05.32 | Beladona | it is what allows accounts to run as limited users, but still elevate to admin when needed |
| 18:05.40 | Beladona | but only on each operation |
| 18:05.50 | Kiphere|Work | oh, not somethign I'll be messign with. |
| 18:05.54 | Kiphere|Work | i'm the only user on my machine :p |
| 18:06.00 | Beladona | for example: if I want to copy a new file into my wow addon directory? it is going to pop up and ask me if I want to allow it |
| 18:06.02 | Kiphere|Work | my wife knows not to touch "The shiney one" |
| 18:06.02 | cogwheel|work | It pops up warnings whenever something tries to change a sensitive setting or install files in sensitive areas |
| 18:06.04 | Beladona | ever time |
| 18:06.13 | axxo | yeah, heared they really worked on the security, good to hear, its the most important thing these days imo |
| 18:06.22 | Beladona | I am torn on it |
| 18:06.32 | Beladona | it slows my productivity down, but I like it from a security standpoint |
| 18:06.34 | axxo | i'm sure you can give your user full access on the folder? |
| 18:06.42 | Kiphere|Work | I handle my security at the network level :P |
| 18:06.54 | axxo | not like they can elevate privs though addons |
| 18:07.02 | axxo | Kiphere|Work: impossible |
| 18:07.11 | Beladona | Kiphere: and if you have a program running that wants to modify a system file, but you really don't want it doing it? |
| 18:07.16 | Beladona | it will prompt |
| 18:07.29 | Beladona | unless you run the program as an administrator |
| 18:07.30 | Kiphere|Work | That's not an issue on the machine in question. |
| 18:07.40 | Beladona | its still an issue for most users |
| 18:07.45 | Beladona | and in many companies |
| 18:07.48 | axxo | stuff unix has had for decades :) |
| 18:08.02 | Beladona | of course |
| 18:08.08 | Beladona | where did you think MS got the idea |
| 18:08.11 | Beladona | hehe |
| 18:08.15 | Kiphere|Work | and axxo, I've been a network encryption design engineer for the last 8 years ;) securing a network is what I do. |
| 18:08.26 | Kiphere|Work | I dont just hook up the internets and let things fly. |
| 18:08.36 | axxo | Kiphere|Work: you can get some level of security, but you can't ignore host secuirty |
| 18:08.47 | Beladona | I know how to secure a network too, but the issue in my mind is securing the desktop as well |
| 18:08.57 | axxo | Kiphere|Work: thats like locking front door down with an army, and leaving the back door open |
| 18:09.05 | Beladona | I don't just let things get ON the desktop, and ignore it, just because it PROBABLY can't do anything to my network |
| 18:09.36 | Kiphere|Work | well, like I said, its nto really an issue on the PC in question. |
| 18:09.47 | axxo | well get into one pc, get into the network : |
| 18:09.47 | Kiphere|Work | I don't even web browse on my gaming machine, so unless the game loads something I'm good. |
| 18:10.05 | Kiphere|Work | the PC is excluded from the rest of the home network... I said that earlier. |
| 18:10.09 | Beladona | unfortunately, that is a rare situation |
| 18:10.14 | axxo | but for home use almost everything is overrated |
| 18:10.28 | Kiphere|Work | yeah, I'm talking about my own situation, I never said it was bad, I said it wasnt useful for me. |
| 18:10.29 | Beladona | the vast majority of regular users email, web browse, play games, AND do work related stuff on their computers |
| 18:10.48 | Beladona | I haven't had a virus in years |
| 18:10.52 | axxo | cia employees even lose their laptops |
| 18:10.56 | Beladona | but that is because I know how not to |
| 18:11.19 | Beladona | but it never ceasees to amaze me the crap that exists on other people's computers |
| 18:11.26 | Kiphere|Work | my home network gets destroyed every few months. |
| 18:11.29 | axxo | aye |
| 18:11.30 | Beladona | I can't even sit at another person's computer until I have cleaned up / streamlined it |
| 18:11.33 | cogwheel|work | most of which is installed by the OEM... :( |
| 18:11.37 | Kiphere|Work | my wife is on it and she's computer ignorant. |
| 18:11.45 | Xuerian | Amen, Beladona. |
| 18:12.09 | Kiphere|Work | if i lock things down she just gets pissy so I let her break it and just go fix it every quarter or so heh |
| 18:12.24 | Kiphere|Work | which is why my gaming rig is pretty special in its situation :P |
| 18:12.47 | axxo | wish these silly video sites had download links, so annoying |
| 18:13.10 | Beladona | I am almost so particular about computers to the point of obsession. I have to fight every fiber in my being to keep from clearing people's desktops of extraneous icons and files |
| 18:13.18 | axxo | its darn hard to lock down windows, tried it for my sisters pc, but meh gave up, easier to fix it :) |
| 18:13.19 | Beladona | because I NEVER store things on my desktop |
| 18:13.40 | Beladona | I have particular folders structures |
| 18:13.48 | a-juror-cat | axxo, there's a firefox plugin that lets you grab youtube movies i think |
| 18:13.48 | Beladona | thats something else I love about vista |
| 18:13.52 | Beladona | the user folder? |
| 18:13.56 | Beladona | that is probably my favorite thing |
| 18:14.04 | Beladona | everything goes there |
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| 18:14.19 | cogwheel|work | I hope cygwin takes full advantage of that |
| 18:14.48 | Beladona | there is no my documents anymore |
| 18:14.56 | Beladona | well ther eis sort of |
| 18:15.02 | zenzelezz | does the Heroic instance setting in BC only work at level 70? |
| 18:15.03 | Beladona | its a sub folder of your user folder |
| 18:15.06 | axxo | windows finally has a |
| 18:15.07 | axxo | $HOME ? |
| 18:15.10 | Beladona | but it doesn't store your music, pictures and stuff |
| 18:15.11 | cogwheel|work | there's no "My" anything anymore :P |
| 18:15.19 | Beladona | those are other sub folders in your user folder |
| 18:15.31 | kergoth | axxo, a-juror-cat: http://videodownloader.net/ |
| 18:16.05 | axxo | kergoth: fun, thanks |
| 18:17.13 | Beladona | http://0ctavius.com/user.jpg |
| 18:17.18 | Beladona | thats the user directory |
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| 18:18.14 | Beladona | Iove how they did folders too |
| 18:18.28 | Beladona | you can see some of the contents of the folder as part of the icon |
| 18:18.41 | Beladona | with true image thumbnails and stuff |
| 18:18.51 | Kirov | ...? |
| 18:18.52 | zenzelezz | I hate such things o_O |
| 18:18.56 | Beladona | for example |
| 18:19.00 | Beladona | if I make a folder |
| 18:19.05 | Beladona | and put 3 pictures in it |
| 18:19.15 | Beladona | a cat, a dog, and a bird |
| 18:19.26 | Beladona | the icon for that folder is a folder, with 3 files sticking out of it |
| 18:19.34 | Beladona | on those 3 files, you can see a cat, a dog, and a bird |
| 18:19.39 | Beladona | the icons update in realtime |
| 18:19.59 | Beladona | not just images of course |
| 18:20.04 | Beladona | documents, whatever |
| 18:20.39 | cogwheel|work | I'm particularly fond of the search box in the start menu |
| 18:20.53 | cogwheel|work | My drill-down days are over |
| 18:20.55 | Beladona | stolen idea from Mac OS, but it works well |
| 18:22.05 | Beladona | I love how you can stack things too |
| 18:22.08 | Beladona | like stack files by type |
| 18:22.24 | Beladona | double click a stack, and it drills down to only the files of that type |
| 18:23.10 | cogwheel|work | Did you play with the RCs? I'm curious what they've added for the release version... (besides obvious things like system sounds) |
| 18:23.21 | Beladona | yeah I played with RC |
| 18:23.41 | Beladona | system sounds yeah, but most everything else seems like mostly tweaks and performance improvements |
| 18:24.00 | Beladona | name something you think should have changed, I am having trouble thinking of anything |
| 18:24.25 | cogwheel|work | I heard there were some new visual effects on windows & such... |
| 18:24.32 | Beladona | like? |
| 18:24.45 | Beladona | I mean other than Aero |
| 18:24.58 | Beladona | that was in RC2 wasn't it? |
| 18:24.58 | cogwheel|work | just something I heard... didn't know if anything jumped out... I guess not :P |
| 18:25.08 | axxo | is it true you can't disable to boot sound? |
| 18:25.20 | Beladona | I haven't tried |
| 18:25.25 | Beladona | but you should eb able to |
| 18:25.30 | Beladona | it has the option to change it |
| 18:25.35 | Beladona | or have none |
| 18:25.44 | Beladona | same as xp |
| 18:26.44 | Beladona | I can say teh system sounds rock |
| 18:26.44 | Beladona | they aren't "ubtrusive" like xp |
| 18:26.51 | Beladona | s/ubtrusive/obtrusive |
| 18:27.07 | axxo | its the 2nd thing i always disable |
| 18:27.15 | axxo | then the de-stupid the folder options |
| 18:27.16 | Beladona | you might not need to with this |
| 18:27.19 | axxo | basic steps to not go insane |
| 18:27.27 | Beladona | you never even notice the sounds unless you are listening for them |
| 18:27.38 | axxo | kinda pointless then aren't they? |
| 18:27.41 | Beladona | they did a good job of using sounds that you simply can ignore |
| 18:27.56 | Beladona | you know what I mean |
| 18:28.44 | axxo | i do |
| 18:28.44 | Beladona | its hard to explain, but a good sound set is one that doesn't annoy you |
| 18:28.45 | Beladona | this hasn't so far |
| 18:28.45 | axxo | i miss the ICQ days ;o |
| 18:28.45 | axxo | uhoh! |
| 18:28.45 | Beladona | you know that system ping you get when you hit a key with nothing focused? |
| 18:28.45 | Beladona | gone |
| 18:28.46 | axxo | drives me bonkers |
| 18:29.19 | Beladona | I do have complaints though |
| 18:29.24 | Beladona | the games panel |
| 18:29.27 | Beladona | is really cool |
| 18:29.33 | Beladona | but they didn't allow a way to add games |
| 18:29.41 | Beladona | it supposedly automatically picks games up |
| 18:29.48 | axxo | i'm sure if you edit the registry it'll work as intended :) |
| 18:29.50 | Beladona | but in at least one instance, it didn't pick one up, and I couldn't add it |
| 18:29.55 | Beladona | I tried that |
| 18:29.57 | Beladona | it doesn't work |
| 18:30.12 | Beladona | it generates a special guid for each game |
| 18:30.18 | Beladona | based on it's existence on windows marketplace |
| 18:30.25 | Beladona | which is just dumb |
| 18:30.38 | Beladona | oh and, it added both WOW and BC |
| 18:30.44 | Beladona | but with BC, it thought it was wow |
| 18:30.52 | Beladona | so I have two wow games |
| 18:31.02 | Beladona | not a big deal, since retail it will be oen |
| 18:31.05 | Beladona | one* |
| 18:31.11 | Kiphere|Work | back |
| 18:31.18 | Kiphere|Work | soup selection sucked but they had pizza, yay. |
| 18:31.23 | axxo | i don't like how they automates internet interaction with their products sometimes |
| 18:31.25 | Beladona | still, they should let you edit games that are added (not default) |
| 18:32.04 | Beladona | finally a good chess game |
| 18:32.08 | Beladona | =D |
| 18:32.18 | axxo | they better have tetris |
| 18:32.21 | Beladona | no |
| 18:32.25 | axxo | bah :( |
| 18:32.35 | Kiphere|Work | s p i d e r/ |
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| 18:32.53 | Beladona | chess, freecell, hearts, InkBall, Mahjong, Minesweeper, Purple Place, Solitaire, Spider Solitare |
| 18:33.08 | Beladona | all with better interfaces |
| 18:33.14 | Beladona | in some cases fully 3d |
| 18:33.25 | axxo | the important parts of the windows OS |
| 18:33.26 | axxo | :) |
| 18:34.28 | Beladona | chess was my big one |
| 18:34.38 | Beladona | its hard to find a good chess game that you don't have to pay for |
| 18:35.04 | axxo | icc stills spams me |
| 18:35.14 | Beladona | icc? |
| 18:35.52 | axxo | some lame internet chess club ppl i knew used to play online |
| 18:37.03 | Thorarin | ICC >.< |
| 18:37.11 | Beladona | lol |
| 18:37.12 | Thorarin | Made a guest account once, still get crap :) |
| 18:37.30 | Beladona | I don't know any chess players |
| 18:37.36 | Beladona | so I ave to play online |
| 18:37.39 | Beladona | or against a computer |
| 18:37.46 | Thorarin | Mostly used FICS :p |
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| 18:38.11 | Beladona | oh, Vista finally has built in sync with PDA |
| 18:38.22 | Beladona | except with things like Outlook, you still need ActiveSync for that |
| 18:38.43 | Thorarin | ActiveSync is built-in enough tbh :P |
| 18:39.27 | Beladona | I still think it could have been supported natively |
| 18:39.31 | Beladona | everything else is |
| 18:39.37 | Beladona | documents, pictures, music |
| 18:39.47 | Beladona | (for syncing) |
| 18:40.51 | Beladona | anyone know of any reasons that a tga would fail to load in-game |
| 18:40.52 | Kiphere|Work | lemme guess... |
| 18:41.04 | Beladona | besides the obvious wrong path, and non-power of 2 issues |
| 18:41.05 | Kiphere|Work | for windows mobile pda's only? |
| 18:41.22 | Beladona | no, it came up for my usb key too |
| 18:41.34 | Thorarin | Outlook isn't built-in to Windows, makes no sense to have Outlook syncing built-in :P |
| 18:41.44 | Beladona | no but windows mail is |
| 18:41.48 | Kiphere|Work | well this is a silly question, but did you move the file at all after the game was open? |
| 18:41.49 | Beladona | and that isn't even available |
| 18:41.54 | Thorarin | Windows mail is fag, k? :P |
| 18:41.58 | Beladona | no Kiphere| |
| 18:42.11 | Kiphere|Work | what type of tga is it? |
| 18:42.13 | Thorarin | So is Outlook, in fact :( |
| 18:42.15 | Beladona | I use windows mail for personal email |
| 18:42.21 | Beladona | Outlook for work |
| 18:42.36 | Gnarfoz | < The Bat! for everything |
| 18:42.38 | Beladona | Kiphere|: how do you mean? |
| 18:42.46 | Beladona | 32bit (alpha) |
| 18:42.53 | Kiphere|Work | that's what I meant. |
| 18:42.59 | Kiphere|Work | did you use photoshop? |
| 18:43.08 | Beladona | paint shop pro, but same idea |
| 18:43.17 | Beladona | the alpha channel is fine |
| 18:43.32 | Kiphere|Work | it's not showing up at all? or its showing up as a green blob |
| 18:43.34 | Gnarfoz | sure? my paint shop never produces TGAs that work with wow :\ |
| 18:43.38 | Beladona | not showing at all |
| 18:43.49 | Gnarfoz | mine are usually all black ^^ |
| 18:43.52 | Gnarfoz | photoshop does fine though |
| 18:43.52 | Beladona | Gnafoz, make a mask using source opacity, then save it to the alpha channel |
| 18:44.01 | Kiphere|Work | I don't know paintshop pro so I cna't talk there. |
| 18:44.19 | Kiphere|Work | but I'm assuming you've used it in the past and it's worked. |
| 18:44.22 | Beladona | aye |
| 18:44.34 | Beladona | I even have 2 other images in-game that DO work |
| 18:44.40 | Kiphere|Work | what type of graphic and how is it beign referenced? background, backdrop, etc |
| 18:44.57 | Beladona | the ONLY difference I can think of, is that these two were created since I switched to vista, but I fail to see any reason that woudl cause an issue |
| 18:45.13 | Beladona | both are being set with SetTexture |
| 18:45.34 | Beladona | oh wait |
| 18:45.38 | Beladona | gonna try one thing |
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| 18:48.09 | Kiphere|Work | I got a little confused yesterday looking at one of my files. |
| 18:48.56 | Kiphere|Work | I was referencing two different graphics, one that sat in C:\program files\world of warcraft\data\interface\folderX\FileX, the other was in C:\...\...\interface\addons\folderX\fileX |
| 18:49.30 | Kiphere|Work | for the first file I had interface\folderX\FileX, for the other I had interface\addons\folderX\FileX |
| 18:49.42 | Beladona | right |
| 18:50.03 | Kiphere|Work | well that shows two different 'root' folders |
| 18:50.19 | Kiphere|Work | one being my warcraft folder directly, the other being WoW\Data |
| 18:50.39 | Beladona | oh data |
| 18:50.41 | Beladona | didn't see that |
| 18:50.49 | Beladona | did it work? |
| 18:50.50 | Kiphere|Work | yeah, thats what confused me. |
| 18:50.53 | Kiphere|Work | yup |
| 18:50.57 | Beladona | interesting |
| 18:51.03 | Kiphere|Work | no idea why but it does. |
| 18:51.34 | Kiphere|Work | interface\DialogBox\UI-DialogBox-gold-background... etc |
| 18:51.43 | Kiphere|Work | for 'default' WOW graphics. |
| 18:51.43 | Beladona | custom file, or replacing a default one? |
| 18:51.50 | Kiphere|Work | one of each |
| 18:51.54 | Kiphere|Work | the default one is in data |
| 18:52.14 | Kiphere|Work | the other path is obv my own file in my addon folder |
| 18:52.34 | Kiphere|Work | I notice that's also where T.King stuff goes |
| 18:52.45 | Kiphere|Work | as a blanket replacement for the default files |
| 18:53.02 | Kiphere|Work | either way, the path is my issue, I know it works I just don't know why. |
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| 18:54.07 | Xuerian | Heh, good. |
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| 18:57.51 | Kiphere|Work | you get it workin bela? |
| 18:58.10 | Beladona | just now trying it, was sort of throws into something else lol |
| 18:58.16 | Beladona | thrown* |
| 18:58.28 | Beladona | ahh yes it works |
| 18:58.30 | Kiphere|Work | like a dorf in battle? |
| 18:58.32 | Kiphere|Work | >_> |
| 18:58.35 | Kiphere|Work | <_< |
| 18:58.44 | Beladona | if I can stay connected |
| 18:58.51 | Beladona | BC is acting funky today |
| 18:59.01 | Gnarfoz | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:59.03 | Kiphere|Work | I havn't logged in much at all. |
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| 18:59.25 | cogwheel|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:59.41 | cogwheel|work | or better yet: /cast [modifier:ctrl] Heroic Strike; Bloodthirst |
| 18:59.43 | Kiphere|Work | I think you could do /cast [modifier:ctrl] Heroic Strike; /cast Bloodthirst - also. |
| 18:59.56 | Kiphere|Work | since its sequential it'll cehck for the modifier and if it doenst find it it'll cast bloodthirs |
| 19:00.08 | Kiphere|Work | rofl damnit cog |
| 19:00.42 | cogwheel|work | :P |
| 19:00.42 | Kiphere|Work | my irc is webbased so I'm slow :p |
| 19:00.43 | Gnarfoz | heh thanks to both of you though |
| 19:00.43 | cogwheel|work | chatzilla 4tw |
| 19:00.46 | Gnarfoz | don't know where the hell to put heroic strike now that I've got BT |
| 19:00.46 | Kiphere|Work | I'm on some ircatwork website because I can't get on an actual chat program |
| 19:00.48 | Gnarfoz | (in berserker stance, that is) |
| 19:01.59 | Kiphere|Work | little known fact: Cogwheel is actualy another advanced chat bot that automatically responds when you put anything that follows WoW macro syntax in chat. |
| 19:02.26 | cogwheel|work | ~cogwheel |
| 19:02.31 | purl | rumour has it, cogwheel is a gnome. 'nuff said. |
| 19:02.46 | Kiphere|Work | purl is brittish? |
| 19:02.59 | cogwheel|work | purl, no cogwheel is actualy another advanced chat bot that automatically responds when you put anything that follows WoW macro syntax in chat. |
| 19:03.00 | purl | okay, cogwheel|work |
| 19:03.15 | Kiphere|Work | heh |
| 19:03.51 | Kiphere|Work | don't it return some flavor text to that unless you put <reply> in the no, x is y command? |
| 19:04.20 | cogwheel|work | yeah. but it fits with the flavor... |
| 19:04.21 | Kiphere|Work | s/don't/won't/ |
| 19:04.29 | cogwheel|work | ~cogwheel |
| 19:04.31 | purl | hmm... cogwheel is actualy another advanced chat bot that automatically responds when you put anything that follows WoW macro syntax in chat. |
| 19:04.37 | Kiphere|Work | ahh |
| 19:04.40 | Kiphere|Work | heh |
| 19:04.48 | Gnarfoz | hrm |
| 19:04.52 | Gnarfoz | that only works for clicks? |
| 19:05.12 | Kiphere|Work | is it on a blizzard default hotkey? |
| 19:05.22 | Kiphere|Work | cause I've had macro issues with things like bongos |
| 19:05.26 | cogwheel|work | if you have ctrl-SOMETHING bound to soemthing else, it won't work |
| 19:05.27 | Gnarfoz | bartender3 |
| 19:05.37 | cogwheel|work | s/oem/ome/ |
| 19:05.38 | Gnarfoz | ah, I'll look through my default bindings |
| 19:06.09 | Gnarfoz | sure enough, special action 2 was bound to ctrl-2 |
| 19:06.10 | Gnarfoz | ^^ |
| 19:07.04 | Kiphere|Work | omgwbcairennlol |
| 19:07.12 | Cairenn | omghi! |
| 19:07.21 | Kiphere|Work | hai2u2! |
| 19:07.26 | End | omgwaffles |
| 19:07.41 | Gnarfoz | :3 |
| 19:07.41 | Scre3m | *needs to learn how to sleep sitting up with eyes open. |
| 19:07.46 | Kiphere|Work | My wife almost slapped me when I ordered a rofl at wafflehouse |
| 19:08.02 | Saeris | hahaha |
| 19:08.02 | Kiphere|Work | ~:3 |
| 19:08.04 | purl | It's still a kitty! douche. |
| 19:08.04 | zenzelezz | Scre3m, you disappoint me... what DID you learn in school if not that? |
| 19:08.12 | Gnarfoz | r-ow-affle? |
| 19:08.26 | Kiphere|Work | I pronounce it more like rahful |
| 19:08.32 | Scre3m | in school i learned how to stay away bye eating jellie bellies |
| 19:09.03 | Scre3m | i had a root canal soon after graduation :) |
| 19:09.06 | Gnarfoz | shit I should change MailFu's 'you've got mail sound' to something else than the sound my real email client uses for the same purpose xD |
| 19:09.15 | Gnarfoz | I always think I've left my email client open ;D |
| 19:09.19 | Scre3m | hahha |
| 19:09.33 | Gnarfoz | even worse now that wow can play sound while minimized |
| 19:09.45 | Saeris | Is pastey down right now? I keep getting "Cannot connect to MySQL server" pages. |
| 19:09.59 | Gnarfoz | and: I should probably close XChat while I actually want to level... my onyxia buff is ticking away ... :\ |
| 19:10.06 | Kiphere|Work | Cogwheel isnt twitching so I'm assuming the forums are back up |
| 19:10.23 | cogwheel|work | XD |
| 19:10.48 | cogwheel|work | I'm usually at work... today I'm actually working though :P |
| 19:10.49 | Kiphere|Work | I didn't know hippy spawn worked! |
| 19:11.00 | cogwheel|work | I'm a recovering liberal :P |
| 19:11.03 | Kiphere|Work | lol |
| 19:11.13 | Kiphere|Work | I have no idea what I am, I just point at my wife when people ask me questions. |
| 19:11.23 | Kiphere|Work | which I think makes me a pussy. |
| 19:11.33 | cogwheel|work | my wife and I have the opposite arrangement |
| 19:11.37 | Kiphere|Work | is that the donkey or the elephant? |
| 19:11.48 | cogwheel|work | she's still registered green, but votes libertarian with me :) |
| 19:11.58 | Scre3m | you folks need dual monitors |
| 19:12.03 | Kiphere|Work | I don't vote for parties I vote for people. |
| 19:12.27 | cogwheel|work | ditto... but donkeys & elephants usually don't have people I want to vote for... |
| 19:12.34 | zenzelezz | I don't vote for people, I vote against others |
| 19:12.43 | Kiphere|Work | Hence why I havn't voted in 6 years. |
| 19:13.01 | Scre3m | zenzelezz, alas, that is what we are forced to do so oftn |
| 19:13.15 | Scre3m | we need some good candidates! |
| 19:13.21 | Kiphere|Work | at this point I look at most elections as the tryouts for American Idol:Politics |
| 19:13.33 | Kiphere|Work | actualy, we'd prolly have better results if we handled our elections that way. |
| 19:13.34 | cogwheel|work | I am so morally opposed to policies of both the republicans & democrats that I can't bring myself to vote for either... IMO, there isn't a lesser of those two evils |
| 19:14.13 | Kiphere|Work | I'm morally opposed to at least some of anyones policy. |
| 19:14.20 | Kiphere|Work | because they build policy around party. |
| 19:14.28 | Kiphere|Work | and I think thats the fundamental flaw in our system. |
| 19:14.46 | Kiphere|Work | you put up your own walls then find out you have to operate within them. |
| 19:15.16 | Kiphere|Work | and you just cant fit everyone in a room, knock down the walls and allow more actual freedom instead of trying to categorize everything. This wouldnt be a problem if there were mroe left handed people in the world. |
| 19:15.20 | cogwheel|work | I'm a borderline anarcho-capitalist... The system itself is the flaw to me... |
| 19:16.03 | Kiphere|Work | The 'system' is great, how we operate within it is flawed. it's comparable to the day after the 2.0 patch and the whiney shits talking about macros being broke :P the system was fine, their macros weren't. |
| 19:17.21 | cogwheel|work | http://isil.org/resources/introduction.swf |
| 19:17.32 | Kiphere|Work | at work, wassat? |
| 19:17.43 | cogwheel|work | an intro to libertarian ideas :) |
| 19:18.06 | Kiphere|Work | lemme rephrase, at work on a gov't contract awarded by teh current administration. |
| 19:18.09 | Kiphere|Work | link me later ;) |
| 19:18.19 | cogwheel|work | :) |
| 19:18.32 | Kiphere|Work | I've liked most of our presidents. |
| 19:18.44 | Kiphere|Work | once you stop thinking of them as leaders and start thinking of them as entertainment they're actualy pretty great. |
| 19:18.57 | Kiphere|Work | I mean the Clinton show was bloody awesome. |
| 19:19.12 | xgravix | pretty expensive entertainers |
| 19:19.14 | a-juror-cat | bush is kind of repetative :( |
| 19:19.16 | cogwheel|work | and we may just get Clinton Part Deux in a couple years... |
| 19:19.33 | Kiphere|Work | I'm moving to Ireland if Hillary ever gets elected. |
| 19:19.50 | Beladona | President's today are a lot like department heads. They don't do much except take credit, or flak for what their underlings did. |
| 19:19.50 | a-juror-cat | not such good entertainment? |
| 19:20.08 | Kiphere|Work | Bela: Exactly. |
| 19:20.24 | Scre3m | we need a new party, the "it depends on the situation" party |
| 19:20.37 | Kiphere|Work | kitty: No, she's an idiot and would be absolutely horrible for the country but will probably get elected on principle which makes me sad in the pants. |
| 19:20.41 | Beladona | the whole system needs to be reformed |
| 19:20.42 | Scre3m | should we invade iraq? well, it depends .. |
| 19:21.02 | Kiphere|Work | I'm not gonna talk politics anymore cause i generally end up pissing lots of people off. |
| 19:21.03 | a-juror-cat | Beladona: how do you suggest it be reformed? :o |
| 19:21.10 | Beladona | didn't say I knew how |
| 19:21.15 | Kiphere|Work | carry on though, I'll sit back and giggle. |
| 19:21.20 | xgravix | politics talk always piss people off |
| 19:21.23 | Beladona | I just know the system isn't working as it was meant to |
| 19:21.25 | cogwheel|work | VIVA LA REVOLUTION! |
| 19:21.30 | Scre3m | lol |
| 19:21.32 | xgravix | but that it what #politics is for |
| 19:21.36 | Kiphere|Work | if you havn't seen the Richard Dreyfus 'speech' from the Bill maher show look it up ont he internets. |
| 19:21.38 | a-juror-cat | theres a #politics? |
| 19:21.50 | Kiphere|Work | it's REALLY good |
| 19:21.51 | xgravix | and also a ##politics |
| 19:21.51 | Beladona | part of the problem I guess is not enough public interest |
| 19:21.56 | xgravix | one moderated, one not |
| 19:21.58 | Beladona | people don't vote like they should |
| 19:22.01 | Beladona | or get involved |
| 19:22.09 | a-juror-cat | there should be some incentive to vote :P |
| 19:22.11 | Kiphere|Work | People don't tkae interest because the leaders have lost sight of the 'people' |
| 19:22.33 | cogwheel|work | People who don't take an active role have whatever they get coming to them |
| 19:22.34 | Beladona | when i voted recently the guy goes "how does it feel to be one of about 10% of your age group who actually vote" |
| 19:22.45 | Beladona | I said "kinda scared" |
| 19:22.48 | xgravix | i would vote if i could vote on the internet |
| 19:22.54 | Kiphere|Work | so ultimately most politics don't effect 'us' but 'Us' and usually 'we' don't care about 'Us' |
| 19:22.56 | xgravix | it's not worth 2 hours of my time honestly |
| 19:23.17 | a-juror-cat | does it really take 2 hours where you are? :o |
| 19:23.36 | xgravix | generally, considering traffic |
| 19:23.37 | Beladona | it would be worth your time if the effects of your indecision (and tohers like you) caused things such as 9-11 |
| 19:24.08 | xgravix | not really |
| 19:24.11 | xgravix | the arabs caused 9-11 |
| 19:24.21 | Scre3m | much more complicated than that |
| 19:24.24 | Kiphere|Work | Something most people look past when it comes to 'vote! or die! type mentality is that the people who don't vote, you don't want voting. |
| 19:24.25 | Beladona | I am gonna stop here |
| 19:24.34 | xgravix | we should take this discussion elsewhere tho |
| 19:24.54 | Kiphere|Work | they don't vote because they don't generally care, if they don't care they don't track the choices that well which means they're probably going to make an uneducated vote, which is mroe damaging than good in the long run. |
| 19:24.57 | Beladona | there is a LOT more involved, and it has a lot to do with anti-maerican sentiment. But that is opinion and political discussion that is probably not good here |
| 19:25.29 | Kiphere|Work | People shouldnt try to entice others to vote, they should entice them to care. |
| 19:25.42 | Scre3m | *agrees |
| 19:26.06 | Kiphere|Work | people focus on the act of voting too much, and a lot of people fall for it and sit in the ballot box going "ok, I saw Bush kiss 50 babies and that kerry guy is a nazi, so I vote bush" without really knowing shit about either candidate. |
| 19:26.38 | Scre3m | another major flaw in our system is the media |
| 19:26.45 | Kiphere|Work | I don't vote because i feel my vote is important and no one lately has warranted me voteing, I also refuse to vote 'against' some one. |
| 19:26.47 | Scre3m | mainstream media that is |
| 19:26.50 | Kiphere|Work | the media in general is a flaw :P |
| 19:27.02 | xgravix | or they realize that their only choice is between two morans and they don't give a damn =P |
| 19:27.26 | Beladona | all I can say is this |
| 19:27.41 | Beladona | our political representatives don't just make deicisions that affect us here |
| 19:27.44 | cogwheel|work | I listen to both left- and right-wing radio, and I can tell you they both complain equally about the media. IMO the media in general is equally biased on both sides and there really isn't anything to complain about |
| 19:28.01 | Beladona | they are the ones that people abroad meet, and get to know |
| 19:28.06 | Kiphere|Work | actualy, ultimately money is the flaw if you wanna break it down. Mainstream media used to be about delivery of information. Then they realized it was a business, boring shit doesnt make money, sell papers, or subscriptions. So... they do what every business does, they sell product and their product is information, with a cherry on top if its too boring. |
| 19:28.15 | Scre3m | the media should present the facts, the honest, unbiased facts |
| 19:28.16 | Beladona | not you |
| 19:28.21 | Scre3m | not create news |
| 19:28.35 | Kiphere|Work | that doesnt make money Scre3m. |
| 19:28.42 | a-juror-cat | ^ |
| 19:28.52 | Scre3m | sadly |
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| 19:29.09 | a-juror-cat | if enough people were actually interested in the facts, it could :P |
| 19:29.19 | Kiphere|Work | there's absolutely no way around that outside of education of the people to teach them how to turn on their bullshit filters and read the news for what its worth, enjoy the entertainment value or it but filter the facts from it. |
| 19:29.33 | Kiphere|Work | I read general on the wow forums. |
| 19:29.38 | Kiphere|Work | and I get good info from it. |
| 19:29.46 | Kiphere|Work | my friend has no bullshit filter, he cant deal with the general forums. |
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| 19:30.06 | a-juror-cat | bullshit filters are hard to install, imo. |
| 19:30.18 | Scre3m | takes experience |
| 19:30.19 | a-juror-cat | its easier just to get pissed off and read something else :P |
| 19:30.39 | Kiphere|Work | it all boils down to education. |
| 19:30.51 | Kiphere|Work | we don't teach people why 2 + 2 is 4, we teach them that 2 + 2 is 4 and tell them to accept it. |
| 19:30.55 | cogwheel|work | please don't let's get started on education |
| 19:31.18 | cogwheel|work | I am vehemently opposed to public education in general and our system in particular |
| 19:31.29 | a-juror-cat | you don't teach them why 2+2 is 4 because then many people wouldn't pass school |
| 19:31.32 | cogwheel|work | none of you wants to hear what I have to say... |
| 19:31.34 | a-juror-cat | i remember when i tutored math |
| 19:31.42 | Kiphere|Work | it's no different than politics, we act like we're in a monarchy, we aren't taught why things work, we're taught that they work and thats how it is. |
| 19:31.47 | a-juror-cat | i tried to teach the people i tutored how you get to these formulas, and what they meant |
| 19:31.52 | a-juror-cat | they never got it |
| 19:32.03 | a-juror-cat | eventually i gave up and just said "memorize this formula, use it when you see this." |
| 19:32.40 | _aLF | Hi, for my addon, I hook the shift-click on bag item (function ContainerFrameItemButton_OnModifiedClick), but some people says that WOW block the addon. It doesn't happen to me. Should I use hooksecurefunc ? why it doesn't doesn't happen always ? |
| 19:32.59 | Kiphere|Work | yup, I remember when we were doing multiplication tables in school I ignored them and taught myself how it worked by asking a few questions, then I didn't do any worksheets and my teacher threatened me that there's no way I'd pass the test. |
| 19:33.16 | cogwheel|work | _aLF: if you don't need to change anything, you should always use hooksecurefunc |
| 19:33.27 | cogwheel|work | there is always a risk of taint when you hook blizzard code |
| 19:33.42 | cogwheel|work | and it takes time to propagate usually |
| 19:33.59 | Kiphere|Work | I was one of a few that got 100% on it. you can give a man a fish, teach a man to fish, or teach him why a fish bites. The first will be fed for a day, the second fed for a lifetime, the third will be the teacher the next time it comes up. |
| 19:34.13 | _aLF | ok thank you cogwheel |
| 19:34.43 | Malivil | Kiphere|Home: First time i've heard that with the thrid part |
| 19:34.43 | a-juror-cat | i dunno Kiphere|Work, im not sure every man can understand why the fish bites ;P |
| 19:34.58 | Malivil | Personally, I know there are people that just can't understand how, but CAN understand why. |
| 19:35.02 | _aLF | so there is no way to disable to pick up frame (when there is more than one item) ? |
| 19:35.06 | Malivil | There are also p[eopel that understand how AND why |
| 19:35.10 | Malivil | But not everyone is that way |
| 19:35.24 | Malivil | *people |
| 19:35.26 | Kiphere|Work | I agree a-juror-cat which is why I don't normally go any farther in these conversations than this. |
| 19:35.45 | Kiphere|Work | I'm also a firm believer in natural selection and mourn its death at the hands of modern mentality ;) |
| 19:35.52 | Malivil | me too |
| 19:36.17 | a-juror-cat | modern mentality is to help the weak out, because it shows that we are strong ;P |
| 19:36.32 | a-juror-cat | just surviving is not enough ;) |
| 19:36.51 | Kiphere|Work | no, that was the mentality that preceded the current mentality. |
| 19:37.01 | a-juror-cat | oh? then im behind :( |
| 19:37.04 | Kiphere|Work | the current mentality is to always set the bar at the 'average' |
| 19:37.16 | Kiphere|Work | which is below the top and only borderline above the lowest common denominator. |
| 19:37.52 | Kiphere|Work | we don't help the weak, we make the weak the norm and it restricts the strong because they spend their extra abilities and/or efforts helping the weak maintain instead of furthering the human race. |
| 19:38.20 | Kiphere|Work | I'm gonna go ahead and start talkin about pie though. |
| 19:38.26 | a-juror-cat | mmmm, pie. |
| 19:38.39 | a-juror-cat | i wonder if they have pie down in the cafeteria |
| 19:38.47 | a-juror-cat | though im not sure i'd try pie from a courthose cafeteria :/ |
| 19:38.56 | Kiphere|Work | I keep those thoughts to myself and the few people that I openly talk that sort of stuff with because it generally incites people to hate me or think I'm a dick. |
| 19:39.05 | Kiphere|Work | Gov't installation pie is safe. |
| 19:39.08 | Kiphere|Work | not tastey, but safe. |
| 19:39.18 | a-juror-cat | but why eat pie thats not tastey :( |
| 19:39.25 | a-juror-cat | to me the point of pie is to be tastey |
| 19:39.32 | Kiphere|Work | you lose me at 'but why eat pie' |
| 19:39.45 | Kiphere|Work | everything after that doesn't make sense, it's still pie. |
| 19:39.49 | Kiphere|Work | ~pie |
| 19:39.51 | purl | Mmmmmm PIE! |
| 19:39.51 | a-juror-cat | ah, but its not pie |
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| 19:39.56 | a-juror-cat | pie must be tastey to be pie |
| 19:40.08 | a-juror-cat | and if its not tastey, its some kind of crappy baked good masquerading as pie |
| 19:40.09 | Scre3m | pie > all |
| 19:40.12 | Grem | Hey guys, im trying to figure out how to make my editboxes not keep focus when the user clicks elsewhere |
| 19:40.13 | Kiphere|Work | what is it if a bad actor humps it? |
| 19:40.25 | a-juror-cat | the false pie or real pie? |
| 19:40.31 | Grem | When I have an editbox in focus, the user cant seem to press enter to end the editbox |
| 19:40.42 | a-juror-cat | in the case of real pie, its now defiled pie, but you can cut around that. |
| 19:40.47 | Grem | How do I make it so that a user can escape an editbox focus? |
| 19:41.09 | Gryphen | look at WIM it has different focus features |
| 19:41.31 | Kiphere|Work | cat: that depends on the potency of the money shot. (wonders how far this one can go) |
| 19:41.49 | Kiphere|Work | it could very well contaminate the whole pie ;P |
| 19:41.58 | a-juror-cat | doubtful |
| 19:42.05 | Grem | What is WIM/ |
| 19:42.07 | a-juror-cat | not many have that kind of potency |
| 19:42.15 | Kiphere|Work | apparently we have different life experiences ;) |
| 19:42.16 | Gryphen | Grem http://wow.curse-gaming.com/en/files/details/3921/wim-wow-instant-messenger/ |
| 19:42.25 | Scre3m | WIM = WoW Instant Messenger |
| 19:42.33 | Kiphere|Work | O_o |
| 19:42.34 | Scre3m | and a very awesome mod i can no longer live w/o |
| 19:42.42 | Kiphere|Work | why? |
| 19:42.47 | Kiphere|Work | I know thats gonna be a stupid question |
| 19:42.51 | Kiphere|Work | because I don't know the mod |
| 19:43.04 | Grem | Thanks |
| 19:43.08 | Scre3m | why what? |
| 19:43.09 | a-juror-cat | it makes your tells into nice IM style windows, and keeps logs :) |
| 19:43.09 | Gryphen | its is a very well done mod, handles im great |
| 19:43.18 | a-juror-cat | its very handy |
| 19:43.18 | Kiphere|Work | but... why have an "IM" program in a game with a chat interface? |
| 19:43.27 | Kiphere|Work | that'd kill me, having all those windows |
| 19:43.29 | a-juror-cat | because tells are special |
| 19:43.40 | Gryphen | saves history and it separates tells to multiple people |
| 19:43.44 | Kiphere|Work | oh, you people must like your friends. |
| 19:43.45 | Scre3m | u acn close the windows and still keep the conversations, even across sessions |
| 19:43.45 | a-juror-cat | it really makes tell hell more like tell managable |
| 19:43.58 | Scre3m | indeed |
| 19:44.01 | Gryphen | tabs are coming to wim |
| 19:44.09 | Scre3m | YES!! |
| 19:44.18 | Kiphere|Work | I'll prolly pick it up when i start my own guild |
| 19:44.18 | Scre3m | when? ;) |
| 19:44.26 | Gryphen | dont know, just says in the future |
| 19:44.29 | Kiphere|Work | that's been the bad part in every game I've run a guild in. |
| 19:44.33 | Gryphen | bottom of description |
| 19:44.36 | Kiphere|Work | freaking buttkiss spam. |
| 19:44.48 | Scre3m | along those lines, can anyone suggest a *good* chat/channel manager addon? |
| 19:45.15 | Gryphen | what do you want it to manage? |
| 19:45.21 | a-juror-cat | oh Kiphere|Work, you're so cool. giev itams? |
| 19:45.22 | Gryphen | i use chatbar |
| 19:45.29 | Scre3m | like custom channels and such |
| 19:45.35 | Scre3m | so u don't have to remember the / commands |
| 19:45.39 | Kiphere|Work | I would like a mod that lets me flip chat tabs with a button combination like ctrl+pgdn |
| 19:45.39 | Scre3m | that sort of thing |
| 19:45.50 | a-juror-cat | that wouldn't be so hard |
| 19:46.12 | Gryphen | chatbar has little dots for each chan that start the / when you click on em |
| 19:46.13 | Scre3m | Gryphen, what does chatbar do? |
| 19:46.16 | Kiphere|Work | WoW doesnt keep chat logs in any way shape or form does it? |
| 19:46.22 | a-juror-cat | you can /chatlog |
| 19:46.24 | a-juror-cat | and it will log |
| 19:46.26 | a-juror-cat | but otherwise no |
| 19:46.31 | Gryphen | and you can make any chan sticky with chatbar |
| 19:46.33 | Kiphere|Work | does it log everything or just chat messages? |
| 19:46.40 | Kiphere|Work | by everything Imean stuff like 'begins to cast a spell' etc |
| 19:46.48 | a-juror-cat | im not sure |
| 19:46.56 | Kiphere|Work | well nm anyway |
| 19:46.56 | a-juror-cat | i think /chatlog only logs real chat events |
| 19:47.03 | Kiphere|Work | I'm sure any form of parsing program would be against TOS anyway |
| 19:47.10 | a-juror-cat | ./combatlog logs combat events |
| 19:47.18 | a-juror-cat | the logs aren't written in real time |
| 19:47.27 | Kiphere|Work | oh, well that would kill it too |
| 19:47.34 | Kiphere|Work | I used to love my parsers in EQ :P |
| 19:47.36 | a-juror-cat | ;p |
| 19:47.49 | a-juror-cat | i liked the parser i had for ffxi |
| 19:47.51 | Kiphere|Work | I had an alt on a second computer I coudl completely control via chat commands sent to it in tells |
| 19:47.55 | a-juror-cat | except that i was always being beaten in damage haha |
| 19:48.50 | Grem | What's the command to remove focus on an editbox? |
| 19:48.53 | Grem | wiki is down =( |
| 19:49.17 | cogwheel|work | not specific to editbox... frame:ClearFocus() |
| 19:49.20 | Grem | well, it looks kinda up now |
| 19:49.23 | Grem | cool, thanks Cog =) |
| 19:49.34 | Kiphere|Work | I could tell my twobox to cast any spells/abilities, turn by degrees, move forward for x seconds or by location if it was within 100 points, and do a variety of other things. |
| 19:49.52 | Kiphere|Work | it'd also tell me when it got a tell so I could look at that computer and 'answer' if it was a GM doing a bot check :p |
| 19:50.38 | a-juror-cat | hax imo |
| 19:51.16 | Kiphere|Work | yeah pretty much |
| 19:53.03 | Kiphere|Work | it was just a simple deal that executed chat commands based on parsed info from the logs. |
| 19:53.11 | a-juror-cat | hey what're your opinions on stinkyqueue? |
| 19:53.15 | Kiphere|Work | I could play three characters total before I got confused :p |
| 19:53.32 | Kiphere|Work | is stinkyqueue a poolstick that's been somewhere it shouldnt have been? |
| 19:53.41 | Scre3m | i three-boxed in EQ, it is a much slower-paced game |
| 19:53.45 | a-juror-cat | not that stinky queue |
| 19:53.52 | a-juror-cat | the mod, stinkyqueue |
| 19:53.58 | Kiphere|Work | then I don't have an opinion ;) |
| 19:54.02 | a-juror-cat | which attempts to queue everyone in your raid up at the same time |
| 19:54.18 | Kiphere|Work | Scre3m: I three boxed in WoW for most of the first year using multiplicity |
| 19:54.24 | a-juror-cat | ive been using it lately with my guild, its very effective :P |
| 19:54.30 | Scre3m | wow |
| 19:54.32 | a-juror-cat | at least for a group of 5ish |
| 19:55.04 | Kiphere|Work | it was a hunter a druid (healer) and a rogue. |
| 19:55.24 | Kiphere|Work | rogue was my focus, hunter's a joke to box, and the druid wasn't ahrd to box either. |
| 19:55.47 | a-juror-cat | omg lunch break :) |
| 19:55.49 | a-juror-cat | ciao guys |
| 19:56.15 | Kiphere|Work | The thing about WoW is, you can play like an idiot and still beat most level appropriate content in the current game. |
| 19:56.35 | Kiphere|Work | at the point that the content gets harder, the group size increases to counter any competence increase needed ;p |
| 19:57.08 | zenzelezz | not necessarily competence |
| 19:57.16 | Kiphere|Work | now, if you're a 'good' player you'll consume the same content earlier, faster, and more effeciently which is what makes me love the game. Skill matters but your 'special' cousin can still mash mortal strike while drooling on the keyboard and play. |
| 19:57.28 | Beladona | you underestimate the incompetency of the many |
| 19:57.31 | Scre3m | hehe |
| 19:57.39 | Kiphere|Work | well yeah, if everyones an idiot they're screwed ;) |
| 19:57.49 | Scre3m | even if a few are idiots |
| 19:57.53 | Kiphere|Work | I just know that a lot of raids I've been on have NOT had 40 good players on em. |
| 19:58.15 | Kiphere|Work | my deffinition of idiot is harsher than most. |
| 19:58.26 | Kiphere|Work | If you screw up on simple tasks frequently you fall below idiot to me. |
| 19:58.42 | Kiphere|Work | if you manage to not screw up simple tasks but cant handle what I consider 'skilled' play you're an idiot. |
| 19:59.04 | Kiphere|Work | then theres average and good players, in that order. |
| 19:59.19 | Kiphere|Work | There aren't a lot of good players out there in any concentration unfortunately. |
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| 19:59.33 | Kiphere|Work | but 5-6 good players can carry a guild full of idiots through a lot of raid content. |
| 20:00.11 | Maranatha | er.. |
| 20:00.30 | Kiphere|Work | Hi. |
| 20:03.16 | Kiphere|Work | Have a coke and smile. |
| 20:03.17 | Kiphere|Work | http://virtualnick.vox.com/library/post/what-happens-to-your-body-if-you-drink-a-coke-right-now.html |
| 20:04.51 | cogwheel|work | umm... I call BS... "You don’t immediately vomit from the overwhelming sweetness because phosphoric acid cuts the flavor allowing you to keep it down." |
| 20:05.02 | cogwheel|work | I can easily down 10 tsp of sugar without vomiting... |
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| 20:06.25 | Kiphere|Work | heh |
| 20:06.58 | Kiphere|Work | if you made a light solution with the sugar your body would have a reaction to it and it'd taste nothing like soda ;P |
| 20:07.14 | Kiphere|Work | it's a little sensationalist but accurate. |
| 20:08.37 | cogwheel|work | of course, a lot of that can be said about fruit juice too... (except the caffeine-specific effects) |
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| 20:10.24 | Kiphere|Work | the processed sugar in soda reacts a lot differently in your system than most natural sugars |
| 20:10.54 | Kiphere|Work | which is why some natural sweeteners are actualy beneficial for people like agave necter and what not. |
| 20:11.29 | cogwheel|work | But when you also take into consideration that most fruit juice sold in stores is essentially fruit flavored corn syrup water... well... |
| 20:11.54 | xsarpedon | Some sodas are made with actual sugar, they usually taste better too. |
| 20:12.33 | Cairenn | cogwheel|work: depends where you are |
| 20:12.35 | cogwheel|work | yep. I've gotten on that bandwagon myself :) |
| 20:12.35 | Gnarfoz | corn syrup water? |
| 20:12.38 | Gnarfoz | what the hell is that ^^ |
| 20:12.42 | cogwheel|work | Cairenn: true... |
| 20:12.53 | Cairenn | coke, pepsi, fruit juice up here are cane sugar, not corn syrup |
| 20:12.53 | cogwheel|work | Gnarfoz: good question XD |
| 20:13.10 | Gnarfoz | Fruit juice I buy here consists of... fruit juice 100% :D |
| 20:13.23 | Gnarfoz | actually, it's called nectar in that case |
| 20:13.45 | Gnarfoz | 'fruit juice' is only guaranteed to have at least 65% (IIRC) real fruit juice |
| 20:14.01 | Gnarfoz | rest can be water/sugar/whatever |
| 20:14.04 | Kiphere|Work | "actual sugar" is still processed. |
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| 20:14.11 | Cairenn | U.S. coke/pepsi taste disgusting to me |
| 20:14.16 | Kiphere|Work | I don't consider what you're calling 'fruit juice' to be fruit juice. |
| 20:14.39 | Kiphere|Work | You can get cane sugar Dr. Pepper here in texas. |
| 20:14.49 | Cairenn | "fruit drink" is what it's called here, if it isn't 100% fruit juice |
| 20:14.56 | Kiphere|Work | my diet is pretty much half vegitarian/raw foods |
| 20:15.27 | cogwheel|work | "processed" doesn't mean anything... sucrose is sucrose... fructose is fructose... glucose is glucose... there's nothing special about the sugar in fruit juice that makes it "better" than the sugar in soda. It's just that soda often has more sugar than fruit juice and doesn't have anything beneficial. |
| 20:15.32 | Kiphere|Work | I was a vegitarian for 9 years, about 5 years ago I started eating meat again but I still go about half and half and we do a lot of raw foods and natural stuff. |
| 20:16.06 | Cairenn | I couldn't go veggie, I like my meat too much |
| 20:16.27 | Kiphere|Work | http://www.three-peaks.net/annette/Processed-Sugar.htm |
| 20:16.31 | cogwheel|work | I went veggie for a year. No good reason... |
| 20:17.06 | Kiphere|Work | There's a very distinct difference between chemically processed 'sugar' and natural sugar. |
| 20:17.10 | Kiphere|Work | ;) |
| 20:17.25 | axxo | i'm dipressed & addicted and eat alot of sugar! |
| 20:17.28 | axxo | proof! |
| 20:17.59 | Kiphere|Work | naturally occuring sugars are processed much more effeciently by your system and that by itself makes a large difference in the overall effect it has, but there's other 'stuff' to it than that. |
| 20:18.03 | cogwheel|work | Kiphere|Work: sugar completely dissolves in water anyway... this whole "chemical bonds broken down" is complete BS |
| 20:18.21 | cogwheel|work | all of the statements in that article relating to "processed sugar" can also be said about unprocessed sugar |
| 20:19.02 | Cairenn | uh oh, vicious cat attack! *pulls her feet up off the floor* |
| 20:19.31 | Kiphere|Work | solutions = complete break down of a chemical bond? :P |
| 20:19.50 | cogwheel|work | basically, yes... |
| 20:20.22 | cogwheel|work | in fact, when you dissolve salt in water, the salt molecules themselves are broken into free chlorine and sodium ions... |
| 20:20.36 | Kiphere|Work | a. the process by which a gas, liquid, or solid is dispersed homogeneously in a gas, liquid, or solid without chemical change. |
| 20:20.44 | amro | the way salt becomes a solution is different from sugar |
| 20:20.47 | amro | salt gets ionized |
| 20:20.49 | cogwheel|work | yes... |
| 20:21.08 | cogwheel|work | but if the "chemical bonds are broken", that means it's no longer sugar |
| 20:21.12 | amro | yeah |
| 20:21.24 | amro | that would mean its carbon floating around in water |
| 20:21.57 | amro | isn't white sugar saccharose, which is a pair of glucose? |
| 20:22.19 | cogwheel|work | sucrose... (maybe saccharose is an alternate name? not an expert :P ) |
| 20:22.38 | amro | yeah |
| 20:22.45 | cogwheel|work | The danger in sugar is in the amount you consume, not how it's processed. |
| 20:22.51 | amro | i just checked saccharose on wiki it redirected to sucrose |
| 20:23.02 | amro | if you don't work out don't eat sugar |
| 20:23.34 | amro | i feel weak if i don't eat sugar after working out |
| 20:23.51 | cogwheel|work | that's why sports drinks are loaded with sugar :) |
| 20:24.37 | amro | that article makes no sense |
| 20:25.05 | amro | if anything, 'processed' sugar would be less likely to cause addiction because its pure sugar, which your body needs anyway and cannot create |
| 20:25.18 | cogwheel|work | Suffice it to say, if you gnaw on a sugar cane or beet for a few minutes, you're exposing yourself to exactly the same sugar molecules as if you were to swallow a spoonful of sugar |
| 20:25.37 | Silviu- | Anyone know on EU servers at what hour honour change occur ? ;) |
| 20:26.45 | cogwheel|work | should be during the maintenance... whenever that is :P |
| 20:27.28 | Silviu- | cogwheel|lunch that was before patch ... :) |
| 20:27.53 | xgravix | anyone aware of a tutorial on preventing memory leaks in lua? |
| 20:28.12 | cogwheel|lunch | xgravix: don't create tables |
| 20:28.24 | cogwheel|lunch | that's about all there is to it |
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| 20:28.44 | cogwheel|lunch | there really are no "leaks" per se because of garbage collection |
| 20:29.12 | xgravix | when i run my addon memory usage goes up to 60mb pretty quickly before it gets garbage collected i am trying to figure out how to avoid it |
| 20:29.21 | xgravix | is bad =) |
| 20:29.48 | Kiphere|Work | my customers are all idiots. |
| 20:29.52 | Inside | indeed. |
| 20:29.55 | Inside | customers in general are |
| 20:29.56 | Inside | n_n |
| 20:30.19 | cogwheel|lunch | any time you have something like: foo = { stuff } you're creating a new table. You should reuse tables as much as possible and if your tables don't ever change, make them global (or at least local to the file) |
| 20:31.51 | Scre3m | anyone have links to the current, working versions of decursive and whispercast? |
| 20:32.29 | xgravix | what about local foo = 7 |
| 20:32.36 | cogwheel|lunch | 7 isn't a table... |
| 20:32.36 | Kiphere|Work | there's a working decursive? |
| 20:32.47 | Scre3m | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=57610313&sid=1 |
| 20:32.57 | Kiphere|Work | It could be a table created by the army publicists. A Table of One. |
| 20:33.08 | xgravix | lol Kiphere |
| 20:33.36 | cogwheel|lunch | xgravix: http://lua-users.org/wiki/OptimisationTips |
| 20:33.45 | xgravix | a guy is working on a decursive with a grid of colored buttons but i don't know if its working yet |
| 20:34.01 | xgravix | thanks cogwheel that is a big help |
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| 20:47.11 | Bouvi | Here is a question to see if anyone thinks it is possible. You know when you hear a stealth sound when you are close enough to revel. If you have headphones you can tell which direction it is coming from. Is there a way to detect the direction and relay with either a pointer or text? |
| 20:49.28 | Scre3m | (o)(O) |
| 20:49.38 | Scre3m | heck no (*speaking as a rogue) |
| 20:50.04 | Bouvi | Say it was set to only detect mobs and not other players |
| 20:50.12 | Bouvi | Would not work in a pvp environment |
| 20:50.15 | xgravix | Bouvi, yes, but only with illegal third party program |
| 20:50.52 | Bouvi | I would not want to use third party. I was just wondering if there is a way to have it detect direction of sound. But guess not. Scratch that idea. |
| 20:51.33 | Bouvi | Prepare thyself for the Gnoming Crusade - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_kK3bVpDpc |
| 20:51.56 | Fumler | Bouvi, got any news on DUB? |
| 20:52.12 | Bouvi | Not a word except he hopes to code over the holidays |
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| 20:54.05 | Cairenn | he's burnt out bad |
| 20:55.01 | Bouvi | Yeah, we are working on helping him with certain things. But he probably just needs to relax for a bit. |
| 20:56.20 | TonyD | i blAme NWN |
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| 20:56.51 | Bouvi | I blame all the users who demanded everything and settled for nothing. |
| 20:56.53 | TonyD | i think the only indispensible Discord bit is DUF |
| 20:56.57 | TonyD | heh |
| 20:57.09 | TonyD | how can what people demand wear you out? |
| 20:57.42 | Bouvi | Easily you get burned out reading all the whining, moaning, demands, groaning, etc. |
| 20:57.45 | TonyD | i await DUB anxiously as anyone |
| 20:57.59 | TonyD | i still don't see how reading things can burn you out |
| 20:58.04 | Bouvi | I miss Dart the most. Not found a suitable replacement |
| 20:58.17 | TonyD | but then, I guess I just skip over it |
| 20:58.25 | TonyD | yeah, that's cuz you actually build ui's |
| 20:58.41 | TonyD | isn't the ported 2.0 version working perfectly? |
| 20:58.47 | Bouvi | When you put forth the massive amount of time and effort into something only to read all the junk you get burned out and tired. |
| 20:58.47 | TonyD | I know DUF is |
| 20:59.23 | Bouvi | I can't rely on a hacked version to release UIs with. MUD did an excellent job but he could have missed anything that could cause issues. |
| 20:59.28 | TonyD | sounds thinskinned and underconfident |
| 20:59.39 | TonyD | well, there's only one way to find issues, dude |
| 21:00.18 | TonyD | and no, there are only so many things that changed with the patch |
| 21:01.13 | Bouvi | I am happy with what I have now until DUB is released. |
| 21:01.53 | TonyD | i've made the conversion to moveanything/bongos myself |
| 21:02.15 | Bouvi | Could not get into Bongos. Really digging Trinity |
| 21:02.37 | TonyD | i use the port DUF, cuz I am not creative enuff to need to change my ui, just keep it the same, with all the info I need, and with it not being an eyesore like mostunitframes |
| 21:02.49 | TonyD | i tried trinity, but there's too much you can't do easily |
| 21:03.08 | TonyD | i like the round buttons idea, but I wanna be able to set WHICH bars are round, and I don't like that sheen |
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| 21:03.35 | Bouvi | Well the latest two versions you can choose which bars. No idea if you can edit the sheen. |
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| 21:04.55 | TonyD | i do like the ease of setup with trinity, but I'd prefer some more powerfull customization, a'la Discord |
| 21:05.16 | TonyD | i guess I should check and see if the mem footprint with trinity is better while i'm at this POS pc |
| 21:05.22 | Bouvi | Oh I would love to have Control Boxes back. Trinity author said he was going to add something similar. |
| 21:05.32 | TonyD | he took em out? |
| 21:05.59 | TonyD | guess I'll check it out again |
| 21:06.54 | Bouvi | Took what out lol |
| 21:07.54 | Bouvi | Oh heck yeah you can edit the .tga files to get rid of the sheen, etc. |
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| 21:21.47 | Teomyr | hm... is there an addon that you can use to monitor events? like, "/foo catch UNIT_SPELLCAST_START" and it displays a message everytime that event is fired? |
| 21:22.10 | Kiphere|Work | Cairenn: ya there? :p |
| 21:22.23 | cogwheel|lunch | DevTools has some event tracking capabilities... not sure of any others... |
| 21:23.02 | a-juror-cat | there used to be one called EventProfiler, not sure if its been updated |
| 21:23.07 | a-juror-cat | devtools is better though |
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| 21:23.56 | Teomyr | didn't know about that. thanks :D |
| 21:24.46 | Teomyr | i used to have one, but it's not been updated for ages, don't know the name :/ |
| 21:25.38 | TonyD | hmm, servers just go down? |
| 21:25.44 | TonyD | or od i have a routing issue? |
| 21:25.55 | TonyD | login server, worldofwearcraft.com both down for me |
| 21:26.06 | TonyD | worldofwarcraft.com |
| 21:27.08 | Bouvi | worldofwarcraft.com |
| 21:28.10 | TonyD | think my cnnection just farted |
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| 21:28.54 | Bouvi | worldofwarcraft.com works for me. Sorry got a phone call and hit return |
| 21:30.02 | TonyD | yeah, wqorks from a different machine, but still nogo on login server |
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| 21:31.41 | TonyD | k, works now |
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| 21:33.11 | cogwheel|lunch | Teomyr: http://pastecode.com/10285 <---- very simple event printer |
| 21:33.14 | Kiphere|Work | 30 minute and I get to leave. |
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| 21:35.47 | Bouvi | I get to leave in 30 but will be teaching until 8:30 or 9 tonight |
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| 21:38.09 | a-juror-cat | two and a half more hours and i get to leave :( |
| 21:38.22 | Scre3m | there a class discussion channel on freenode? |
| 21:38.33 | Scre3m | talents, gear, etc. |
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| 21:39.19 | a-juror-cat | doubtful, freenode isn't really that kind of network :P |
| 21:39.30 | bleetah | freenode's more of a geek channel... there may be a 'social' wow room somewhere |
| 21:39.47 | bleetah | s/channel/service/ |
| 21:40.03 | Scre3m | oh i know, i use it for tcl, perl, gnu, etc., just wondering about the wow stuff |
| 21:40.26 | a-juror-cat | theres a wowirc |
| 21:40.30 | a-juror-cat | server |
| 21:40.50 | a-juror-cat | dont know what the popular channels are though |
| 21:40.50 | Kevorkian | meh, you can really boil down any discussion of class to "STFU N00b! Y3r sp3c sUX0rs!" |
| 21:40.58 | a-juror-cat | hunter > u |
| 21:41.02 | a-juror-cat | unless you're a warlock. |
| 21:41.07 | Scre3m | lol |
| 21:41.24 | a-juror-cat | then hunter still > u, but they'll die after you die |
| 21:42.09 | a-juror-cat | im always begging mages for food now, just so i can FD+eat after fighting a warlock |
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| 21:47.01 | malreth | sad news... |
| 21:47.23 | a-juror-cat | ? |
| 21:47.50 | malreth | it's really got me down... |
| 21:48.10 | Saeris | what? |
| 21:48.14 | jasonwoo | Anyone around familiar with UIDropDownMenu's that can answer a question? |
| 21:48.32 | malreth | my fiancee left me because i used JoinBattlefield(0, 1); |
| 21:48.52 | malreth | she said I was cheating |
| 21:48.56 | malreth | so she left |
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| 21:49.15 | a-juror-cat | QQirl |
| 21:49.39 | malreth | i am, a-juror-cat... i am indeed QQing IRL |
| 21:49.40 | Kiphere|Work | <shrug> after TBC the honor requirements for women will go down so you can get another one. Just save your AB tokens. |
| 21:51.28 | malreth | hi hi~~~ |
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| 21:52.32 | Kevorkian | ~emulate malreth |
| 21:52.36 | purl | as long as it's not anal-related, it's fine |
| 21:52.58 | malreth | i should change my emulates... that one is getting old |
| 21:53.06 | malreth | and for some reason, purl always picks that one |
| 21:53.12 | malreth | ~literal emulate malreth |
| 21:53.13 | purl | "emulate malreth" is "<reply>(Uh... No. Malreth scares me.|i have yet to find any olsen twin porn...|as long as it's not anal-related, it's fine|that makes me sticky in the pants|i never thought of myself as narcissistic but you know what? I AM!)" |
| 21:54.02 | malreth | bleh... got a wedding to go to tomorrow |
| 21:54.27 | malreth | then cleaning all this week for x-mas parties |
| 21:54.42 | a-juror-cat | have fun |
| 21:54.53 | a-juror-cat | im wasting my whole day in this jury assembly room. |
| 21:55.15 | a-juror-cat | and then will probably waste teh rest of the week sleeping and generally being lazy :) |
| 21:55.50 | malreth | i avoid jury duty by having the wrong address on my driver's license |
| 21:56.17 | malreth | that's probably a crime somewhere... |
| 21:56.37 | a-juror-cat | it is |
| 21:56.47 | a-juror-cat | you'll still get the letters to your old address right? |
| 21:56.52 | a-juror-cat | if you don't show up its a crime |
| 21:56.56 | a-juror-cat | ;X |
| 21:56.57 | Kemayo | I avoid jury duty through lack of citizenship. |
| 21:57.27 | Kemayo | Results in far less imprisonment for contempt of court, in my experience. |
| 21:58.11 | Kemayo | The alternative is to mention key words like "jury nullification" when the lawyers are talking to you. |
| 21:58.41 | a-juror-cat | i plan to say something along the lines of "i don't trust law enforcement" |
| 21:58.46 | a-juror-cat | which is close to true. |
| 21:58.47 | Kevorkian | why shrug the duty? It's actually refreshing to live in a country where you get judged by your peers rather than a ruling elite |
| 21:58.53 | malreth | i prefer to act like a racist during the selection process |
| 21:59.05 | malreth | but the downside is you have to watch your back when leaving |
| 21:59.30 | cogwheel|work | jury nullification 4tw! |
| 22:00.03 | Kevorkian | meh, I liked jury duty. It's like voting, sometimes a pain, but if nobody does it some jerk gets away with murder |
| 22:00.42 | cogwheel|work | I liked jury duty too... |
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| 22:01.16 | Kiphere|Work | I avoid jury duty by being a good person and having my karma take care of the rest. |
| 22:01.16 | Kiphere|Work | sinners. |
| 22:01.16 | cogwheel|work | I think I was too enthusiastic about it... the prosecution dismissed me before I even got to the main box |
| 22:01.28 | Kiphere|Work | anyway, heading home. |
| 22:01.37 | Kiphere|Work | talk to y'all as KiphereCE in a few ;P |
| 22:01.37 | a-juror-cat | blah on the wow forums for using spacer gifs that i seem to accidentally drag onto tabs :( |
| 22:01.44 | a-juror-cat | ciao |
| 22:02.09 | malreth | spacer gifs? ugh... lern2css! |
| 22:02.31 | cogwheel|work | ~lart Blizzard's website staff |
| 22:02.46 | malreth | 150 lbs each or total? |
| 22:03.07 | cogwheel|work | maybe he means that they hired an additional developer? |
| 22:03.21 | a-juror-cat | one that knows css? |
| 22:03.32 | cogwheel|work | one would hope... |
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| 22:04.01 | cogwheel|work | I'm redesigning my work's website in strict XHTML/css |
| 22:04.43 | a-juror-cat | oh? |
| 22:04.47 | malreth | dancing skeleton animated gifs, cog... |
| 22:04.54 | malreth | make sure they're there |
| 22:04.58 | a-juror-cat | ^ |
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| 22:06.19 | malreth | BORED! |
| 22:06.26 | malreth | gonna go home |
| 22:06.33 | cogwheel|work | hmm... if you can find a dancing animated skeleton with an average overall color of FFFFEE you might be in luck XD |
| 22:07.03 | malreth | not even dancing skeletons can keep me here... later |
| 22:07.38 | Gnarfoz | what's that? |
| 22:07.38 | a-juror-cat | lies. |
| 22:07.41 | Gnarfoz | "actually working" |
| 22:07.42 | Gnarfoz | ;D |
| 22:08.36 | cogwheel|work | "actually working" means pulling my hair out dealing with an outdated, poorly designed MS Access database littered with horrible VBA code. :( |
| 22:08.55 | bleetah | is there any other type of VBA code? |
| 22:09.10 | cogwheel|work | nope... though I did forget to make a note of the redundancy :P |
| 22:09.40 | cogwheel|work | but there are some practices that are slightly less horrible than others |
| 22:13.12 | a-juror-cat | i bet i could plug this terminal's ethernet cable into my laptop |
| 22:13.14 | a-juror-cat | and have it work |
| 22:13.22 | a-juror-cat | too bad i didnt bring my laptop :( |
| 22:14.16 | Scre3m | curse-gaming rep here? |
| 22:14.52 | Guillotine | yup |
| 22:15.04 | Guillotine | need something? |
| 22:15.07 | Scre3m | i can't login and i'm not getting an email when i try to reset |
| 22:15.12 | Scre3m | username is Scre3m |
| 22:15.22 | Guillotine | alright, hold on |
| 22:15.26 | Scre3m | ty |
| 22:15.47 | Guillotine | I know we're having a bug with resetting :/ should be able to log in though |
| 22:16.23 | Scre3m | "Please enter a correct username" |
| 22:16.29 | Guillotine | looks to me like your username wasn't imported over o.O |
| 22:16.46 | Scre3m | could you just delete it and i can re-register? |
| 22:16.56 | Guillotine | nothing to delete, try just re-registering |
| 22:17.08 | Scre3m | i did, but it tells me username is already in use |
| 22:17.37 | Guillotine | >< |
| 22:17.40 | Guillotine | alright, hold on |
| 22:19.51 | Guillotine | do you have any mods on the site? I may be able to get your userid from them |
| 22:19.59 | Scre3m | i don't |
| 22:20.20 | Guillotine | any mods you can remember posting on? |
| 22:20.27 | Scre3m | hrm ... |
| 22:20.51 | Scre3m | last couple of times i've tried, i wasn't able to login |
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| 22:24.08 | AnduinLothar | hey guil, any idea why the curse screenshots are fubar? |
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| 22:24.19 | Guillotine | b/c zinor is a n00b |
| 22:24.24 | Guillotine | (no) |
| 22:24.33 | AnduinLothar | the other day Arch had some ss's of some compilation with a zillion windows open |
| 22:25.02 | Guillotine | ya, screenshots are appearing in the wrong addons |
| 22:25.06 | Guillotine | and just not appearing at all sometimes |
| 22:25.11 | Guillotine | it'll be fixed soon though :) |
| 22:25.13 | Guillotine | hopefully |
| 22:25.27 | AnduinLothar | and for the love of god, will someone please change the default "type" of new uploads to "release" instead of beta" |
| 22:25.59 | Guillotine | heh. forwarded |
| 22:26.52 | AnduinLothar | thx, it's the little things that i have to do repeatedly when uploading 20 mods that just kinda... you know.. |
| 22:27.00 | AnduinLothar | ~stab |
| 22:27.02 | purl | ACTION stabs anduinlothar |
| 22:27.07 | AnduinLothar | thx purl |
| 22:27.09 | Guillotine | lol |
| 22:30.08 | Kiphere|Home | sweet bags of baby jesus bits |
| 22:30.28 | KiphereCE | HI |
| 22:30.34 | Gryphen | he3ya |
| 22:30.42 | Guillotine | rawr |
| 22:30.47 | Gryphen | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 22:31.12 | AnduinLothar | i still have that as an aim away msg, but i think i spelled it wrong |
| 22:31.36 | KiphereCE | purl, hug gryphen |
| 22:31.37 | purl | ACTION hugs gryphen |
| 22:31.56 | KiphereCE | ~emulate KiphereCE |
| 22:31.58 | purl | ACTION asks Cogwheel lots of annoying questions. |
| 22:32.00 | KiphereCE | >< |
| 22:32.07 | KiphereCE | I refuse to update my own emulate :P |
| 22:32.26 | Guillotine | ~emulate Guillotine |
| 22:32.28 | purl | woohoo! spoofing links is fun! |
| 22:32.33 | Guillotine | :D |
| 22:34.34 | KiphereCE | we need WoWI Vent ;) |
| 22:34.37 | KiphereCE | I wanna hear cogwheel. |
| 22:34.54 | KiphereCE | I've got a 50seat vent that's being used by 4 people :p |
| 22:34.57 | Guillotine | I said that a while ago |
| 22:35.01 | Guillotine | Cair said no :( |
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| 22:35.16 | [Cu]Werik | Evening. |
| 22:35.22 | KiphereCE | no, she wont host it, no she wont endorse it, or no she wont have anything to do with it at all? ;) |
| 22:35.38 | KiphereCE | Hello bracket charlie uniform bracket werik. |
| 22:35.40 | AnduinLothar | vent != chat room |
| 22:35.53 | KiphereCE | not for casual chit chat. |
| 22:35.54 | AnduinLothar | and not useful at all for coding |
| 22:35.56 | a-juror-cat | heya werik |
| 22:36.14 | KiphereCE | you can commend links to pastey just as well as you can post em here ;) |
| 22:36.15 | a-juror-cat | vent is great for ranting, imo |
| 22:36.36 | KiphereCE | I just wanna hear cogwheel so I can continue to build my mental image of him as a gnome. |
| 22:36.36 | AnduinLothar | you gonna vebally tell them the pastey link? |
| 22:36.45 | KiphereCE | you can comment links in vent. |
| 22:36.45 | a-juror-cat | vent comment |
| 22:36.55 | KiphereCE | its eash, click, paste, click. |
| 22:36.58 | a-juror-cat | though the comment field is kinda short |
| 22:37.10 | AnduinLothar | vent does have a chat too i spose |
| 22:37.11 | KiphereCE | it can handle youtube links |
| 22:37.13 | AnduinLothar | but it's weak |
| 22:37.26 | KiphereCE | I'd imagine pasteylinks will be fine. |
| 22:37.29 | KiphereCE | would be~ |
| 22:37.30 | DT | Anyone in a helpful mood? I can't figure out an addon problem I'm having |
| 22:37.40 | a-juror-cat | ill try |
| 22:37.41 | KiphereCE | I'm always in a helpful mood, I'm just limited in knowledge. |
| 22:37.55 | DT | I'd put this on pastey but it keeps giving me a MySQL error |
| 22:38.00 | DT | toc http://docs.google.com/View?docid=dg3qkzb6_0dt4nhg |
| 22:38.03 | DT | xml http://docs.google.com/View?docid=dg3qkzb6_1f798bn |
| 22:38.08 | DT | lua http://docs.google.com/View?docid=dg3qkzb6_2g94mqd |
| 22:38.23 | DT | It's a small addon to divert officer chat into a different chat frame because you can't do that in the default UI |
| 22:38.54 | DT | Works great but for some reason it will display the message twice or more times if the chat frame it's being put into already has some other channels in it |
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| 22:40.00 | DT | The only thing I can think of is that the CHAT_MSG_OFFICER event is getting called more than once for some reason, but then I can't see why the default UI wouldn't have the same problem with messages showing up more than once |
| 22:40.02 | a-juror-cat | well thats inconvenient |
| 22:40.07 | a-juror-cat | this java irc doesnt let me copy links |
| 22:40.23 | AnduinLothar | owned |
| 22:40.28 | DT | http://tinyurl.com/stfaz |
| 22:40.37 | DT | http://tinyurl.com/ulr2k |
| 22:40.49 | DT | http://tinyurl.com/tpl6j |
| 22:41.18 | a-juror-cat | quick comment, oCD is the name of a cooldown mod at the moment, but i guess it is slightly different from OCD :P |
| 22:41.57 | a-juror-cat | you really cant do this with the default UI? |
| 22:42.16 | KiphereCE | if I had to guess DT, and I'm a newb, I'd say the event gets called on display in DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME, and again when it diverts |
| 22:42.23 | a-juror-cat | i distinctly remember having a tab for officer + tells previously |
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| 22:42.53 | DT | I can change the name later, a-juror. You can sort-of do this in the default UI. The problem is that you can't separate guild chat and officer chat |
| 22:43.29 | DT | I'm a newb too, Kiphere ;) How might I fix that? |
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| 22:44.14 | KiphereCE | and Cat, O chat is under the same filter as guild chat. |
| 22:44.28 | KiphereCE | unless I'm just blind (and I'm looking at it right now) theres no way to seperate the two in the default UI |
| 22:44.36 | DT | There isn't =( |
| 22:44.54 | Scre3m | there is no way to seperate officer from guild chat in the default UI |
| 22:44.56 | KiphereCE | does it only do the multi display when theres otehr things filtered to teh channel? |
| 22:45.03 | Scre3m | (which is just plain crazy imo) |
| 22:45.10 | KiphereCE | err the window I meant. |
| 22:45.12 | DT | Yes |
| 22:45.21 | a-juror-cat | DT |
| 22:45.28 | KiphereCE | so if you leave that window alone and its only there for O, the O chat shows up properly and doesnt duplicate? |
| 22:45.33 | a-juror-cat | every chat frame i think has its own OnEvent |
| 22:45.33 | DT | Yes |
| 22:45.50 | a-juror-cat | so you'll have multiple chatframes doing this everytime you have an officer chat message |
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| 22:46.14 | KiphereCE | I was thinking that could be the problem cat, but it would cause a repeat of the message whether he had another channel in there or not. |
| 22:46.49 | a-juror-cat | it may be that if he doesnt have a channel, it unregisters itself for CHAT_MSG_OFFICER |
| 22:47.08 | a-juror-cat | i dunno, i need my WoW folder ;( |
| 22:47.19 | KiphereCE | but why would a chat channel that doesnt have the filter up for guild even register an event for officer? |
| 22:47.25 | KiphereCE | a chat window i should say, damnit. |
| 22:47.28 | cogwheel|work | DT: pastecode.com :) |
| 22:47.32 | a-juror-cat | ^ |
| 22:47.44 | a-juror-cat | where could you find the framexml files online again? |
| 22:47.52 | cogwheel|work | wdn.wowinterface.com |
| 22:47.56 | a-juror-cat | >3 |
| 22:47.57 | a-juror-cat | er |
| 22:47.59 | KiphereCE | wdn.wowinterface.com |
| 22:48.02 | KiphereCE | err |
| 22:48.04 | KiphereCE | what cog said. >< |
| 22:48.07 | a-juror-cat | it wont let me do less than |
| 22:48.09 | KiphereCE | I need to hotkey "what cog said" |
| 22:48.18 | a-juror-cat | it always puts it out as > |
| 22:48.26 | KiphereCE | < |
| 22:48.28 | a-juror-cat | >: |
| 22:48.29 | KiphereCE | ? |
| 22:48.32 | a-juror-cat | this computer |
| 22:48.33 | KiphereCE | :< |
| 22:48.41 | a-juror-cat | when i push shift+, |
| 22:48.44 | a-juror-cat | it comes out as > |
| 22:48.48 | KiphereCE | rofl |
| 22:49.37 | KiphereCE | anyway, about DTs problem.. if all 'registered' chat windows, even those without the guild filter active registered a CHAT_MSG_OFFICER then he'd get 2 everytime anyway unless he's removed his combat window completely. |
| 22:49.38 | DT | toc http://pastecode.com/10290, xml http://pastecode.com/10291, lua http://pastecode.com/10292 |
| 22:49.53 | KiphereCE | you do have a combat chat window still right DT? |
| 22:49.59 | DT | Yeah |
| 22:50.32 | DT | So I just need to unregister CHAT_MSG_OFFICER from every frame but one? |
| 22:51.20 | KiphereCE | I don't think its registering for frames that dont' have the filter active. |
| 22:51.44 | KiphereCE | Again, I'm an idiot, but I'd assume that chat 'filters' actualy tell a frame when to register chat message events like that. |
| 22:52.10 | a-juror-cat | im looking now |
| 22:52.12 | a-juror-cat | :P |
| 22:52.17 | KiphereCE | when you add another filter to your O chat frame |
| 22:52.28 | KiphereCE | does it immediately start freaking out, or does it take a reload before it starts freaking out |
| 22:52.40 | KiphereCE | and is there any consistency to the number of displays, or which channels you add have which effect on it? |
| 22:53.30 | DT | I haven't found any consitency. I just do a /ocd 3 to set it to show up in ChatFrame3, which already had Say, Yell, Party, Raid, and maybe some other stuff in it |
| 22:53.34 | a-juror-cat | you're right, it'll only register for a CHAT_MSG_OFFICER when you tick on guild |
| 22:53.39 | DT | And messages show up twice |
| 22:53.41 | DT | I don't need to reload |
| 22:53.59 | a-juror-cat | you have any other frames with guild? |
| 22:54.22 | a-juror-cat | hidden or otherwise? |
| 22:54.26 | DT | Yeah |
| 22:54.57 | a-juror-cat | if you have more than one frame with guild ticked they're both registered for CHAT_MSG_OFFICER |
| 22:55.04 | a-juror-cat | (chatframe) |
| 22:55.15 | KiphereCE | how many frames total have 'guild chat' going to them? |
| 22:55.19 | KiphereCE | filter wise |
| 22:55.22 | DT | 2 |
| 22:55.27 | a-juror-cat | there it is :P |
| 22:55.29 | KiphereCE | well thats the issue then |
| 22:55.53 | a-juror-cat | omg on the last hour of jury duty |
| 22:55.53 | KiphereCE | you're getting two seperate O chat messages, its migrating officer from both frames to the new frame and it shows up twice. |
| 22:55.57 | a-juror-cat | hope i dont get called! |
| 22:56.00 | KiphereCE | GUILTY |
| 22:56.02 | KiphereCE | err |
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| 22:56.11 | DT | Good luck cat ;) |
| 22:56.20 | a-juror-cat | ty |
| 22:56.29 | KiphereCE | why would you have guildchat going to two windows ? O_o? |
| 22:56.36 | DT | So to fix it, I just need to unregister from CHAT_MSG_OFFICER all the chat frames but one |
| 22:56.45 | a-juror-cat | or |
| 22:56.55 | KiphereCE | take the guidlchat out of one window ;p |
| 22:57.01 | a-juror-cat | you can only hook the ChatFrame_OnEvent of one frame |
| 22:57.01 | DT | I don't actually have 2 guild chat windows. I just made some random windows for testing |
| 22:57.29 | KiphereCE | if you only have Ochat unmodded showing up in one channel it should only show up once in your new window. |
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| 22:57.39 | a-juror-cat | this may be better done though |
| 22:57.54 | a-juror-cat | by just having your mod register the selected frame for CHAT_MSG_OFFICER |
| 22:58.04 | a-juror-cat | because im pretty sure the frame knows what to do with it |
| 22:58.10 | a-juror-cat | it just doesn't have the option to register it on its own |
| 22:58.25 | a-juror-cat | then you dont have to worry about any hooking, etc |
| 22:58.26 | DT | Heh, well that would replace my whole addon with 1 line of code |
| 22:58.36 | DT | ;) |
| 22:58.42 | a-juror-cat | ;p |
| 22:59.02 | KiphereCE | meh |
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| 22:59.32 | a-juror-cat | i need a way to speed up time |
| 22:59.46 | KiphereCE | cat: drugs. |
| 22:59.48 | a-juror-cat | so i can waste more time in less time. |
| 22:59.53 | a-juror-cat | i cant bring drugs to the courthose! |
| 23:00.04 | KiphereCE | yes you can, you just cant leave with them usually ;) |
| 23:00.16 | a-juror-cat | actually you know all i had to go through was a metal detector |
| 23:00.19 | a-juror-cat | it'd be fine |
| 23:00.21 | a-juror-cat | ;o |
| 23:00.31 | DT | Thank you both for all the help =D |
| 23:00.38 | a-juror-cat | and im pretty sure the jury panel wouldn't select me if i were high :P |
| 23:00.40 | a-juror-cat | np DT |
| 23:07.16 | xgravix | just act retarded easy way to get off jury duty |
| 23:07.24 | KiphereCE | unless its another Oj case. |
| 23:07.41 | KiphereCE | "well, eh's right... the glove really doesnt fit." |
| 23:07.55 | a-juror-cat | OH DAMN |
| 23:07.58 | a-juror-cat | I GET TO GO HOME |
| 23:08.01 | a-juror-cat | :3 |
| 23:08.06 | KiphereCE | ~:3 |
| 23:08.15 | purl | It's still a kitty! douche. |
| 23:08.28 | a-juror-cat | eh? |
| 23:09.18 | Qshadowp | lol |
| 23:09.26 | Qshadowp | purl, emulate qshadowp |
| 23:09.28 | purl | ~poke purl |
| 23:09.30 | Qshadowp | ~poke purl |
| 23:09.32 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind purl, pokes purl repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 23:09.35 | Qshadowp | :D |
| 23:10.09 | KiphereCE | no, purl :3 is <reply> It's a kitty! |
| 23:10.16 | KiphereCE | er |
| 23:10.18 | KiphereCE | I worded taht wrong. |
| 23:10.31 | KiphereCE | purl, no, :3 is <reply> It's a kitty! |
| 23:10.33 | purl | KiphereCE: okay |
| 23:10.38 | KiphereCE | ~:3 |
| 23:10.40 | purl | It's a kitty! |
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| 23:10.46 | KiphereCE | there, no more douche comment :P |
| 23:10.50 | a-juror-cat | :3 |
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| 23:13.17 | KiphereCE | my wrists are swollen. |
| 23:13.36 | KiphereCE | don't think i'm gonna do much chatting tonight :p (I'm sure you're all sad!) or working on my code |
| 23:13.58 | Elessdy | well, somewhat |
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| 23:15.25 | Cairenn | what did you do to yourself? |
| 23:16.07 | KiphereCE | I have bad wrists in general. I think it was the gym yesterday though. |
| 23:16.13 | KiphereCE | played basketball |
| 23:17.08 | Cairenn | so just overdid on something you haven't done in a while .. yup, that'll do it |
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| 23:20.11 | KiphereCE | <deleted naughty joke> |
| 23:20.17 | Cairenn | heh |
| 23:23.01 | cogwheel|work | I have a bad wrist from a car accident... had my hand on the horn when the air bag deployed... |
| 23:23.25 | cogwheel|work | luckily the horn button was off to the side of the air bag and not on top of it like my current car... |
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| 23:23.50 | sysrage | wtb somebody to tell me why cryolysis is showing only a 20 second timer when the table has it set at 50 seconds |
| 23:23.55 | sysrage | for sheep |
| 23:25.08 | KiphereCE | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:26.31 | KiphereCE | rofl. " I raid 2 hours a night, 3 days a week. For a total of 6 hours a week. But I only raid 2 times a month because I don't like to raid that much. Who am I ?" |
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| 23:26.54 | cogwheel|work | Tauruse |
| 23:26.59 | KiphereCE | it's like one of those "Correct this essay" questions merged with a "If a train leaves Chicago at 5am" questions. |
| 23:27.22 | KiphereCE | he raids three days a week and only 2 times a month. |
| 23:34.46 | KiphereCE | time to pass out in desk chair till wife calls. |
| 23:35.22 | Cairenn | have fun :p |
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| 23:52.14 | wereHamster | Mikma, can you please post the link to your addon homepage (where you have your mikminimap addon)? |
| 23:54.24 | Corrodias | some day i'll have a chance to get back at it, updating my addon collection so i can play WoW |
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| 23:54.44 | Corrodias | but not today! [away] @ doing more work |
