| 00:02.45 | dukeku | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 00:04.25 | Kirkburn | Careful, you'll go hoarse shouting like that \o/ |
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| 00:05.20 | dukeku | the first time i speak in months and you act like my mother |
| 00:06.00 | Kirkburn | No dukeku, I AM your mother ... |
| 00:06.37 | dukeku | :OOOOOOOO |
| 00:10.02 | Industrial | dun dun DUN |
| 00:10.09 | TonyD | feels like a word is missing |
| 00:11.34 | seebs | Kiph, in my experience, it's hard to learn to program without some kind of concrete thing to be programming; that said, WoW UIs are not the easiest environment I've ever seen to pick up. |
| 00:11.53 | seebs | I think it took me a good two days of steady application to make real progress on using the WoW API, and I'm a pretty experienced programmer. |
| 00:12.26 | dukeku | when will wow's api include ajax and web 2.0 keywords |
| 00:12.46 | sylvanaar | you realize semantically tainted is an sttribute |
| 00:12.48 | Industrial | bad! |
| 00:13.07 | dukeku | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:13.59 | Industrial | I ate greek today |
| 00:14.03 | Industrial | mmm |
| 00:14.04 | Industrial | :-) |
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| 00:46.02 | Thunder_Child | is there a way to tell what is triggering an event? |
| 00:46.22 | Cide | the game is, unless an addon simulates one |
| 00:46.31 | Cide | the trigger is given by the name of the event |
| 00:46.38 | Cide | "UNIT_HEALTH" => a unit's health changed |
| 00:47.03 | Thunder_Child | well something is repetedly posting "You are not in a guild" and i am trying to track down where it is coming from |
| 00:47.58 | Cide | DevTools can do it |
| 00:48.01 | Cide | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:48.21 | Thunder_Child | that command didnt do anything |
| 00:48.32 | wereHamster | it shows which event caused that, not which addon used SendAddonMessage() |
| 00:48.36 | Thunder_Child | nvm, it worked |
| 00:48.51 | Cide | wereHamster: huh? |
| 00:48.55 | tigg | there is one RosterLib-2.0 in ora2 Leader\Resist.lua left it seems |
| 00:49.12 | tigg | +dependancy |
| 00:49.19 | wereHamster | I thought Thunder_Child wanted to know which addon causes the message, not which event.. my fault |
| 00:49.54 | Thunder_Child | i did wat to know which addon causes it |
| 00:49.58 | Thunder_Child | want* |
| 00:51.02 | Thunder_Child | err..do* |
| 00:51.36 | Cide | do a binary search by disabling addons, then |
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| 00:52.16 | Cide | or find out which addon is calling whatever the function is that's triggering your event |
| 00:52.18 | wereHamster | I'd first use grep to find out which addons use SendAddonMessage() |
| 00:53.04 | Cide | SendAddonMessage with "GUILD" as parameter triggers that if not in a guild? |
| 00:53.13 | wereHamster | yes |
| 00:53.24 | Cide | that's rather clunky |
| 00:53.31 | JoshBorke | what's it trigger? |
| 00:54.03 | wereHamster | "You are not in a guild" |
| 00:54.16 | dukeku | i'm not? |
| 00:54.23 | JoshBorke | interesting |
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| 01:05.15 | Thunder_Child | anyone know what TABARD_CANSAVE_CHANGED does? |
| 01:06.03 | KiphereCE | thats the tag for Jesus' tabbard. |
| 01:06.11 | Thunder_Child | cute |
| 01:06.15 | KiphereCE | I thought so. |
| 01:06.41 | KiphereCE | think it might be tied to the tabbard ventor preview pane thing? |
| 01:07.43 | Kirov | KiphereCE - any time you see a new player tabard that fires |
| 01:08.23 | Thunder_Child | well i finaly found the mod...but not the problem within the mod |
| 01:11.18 | Thunder_Child | can anyone tell me why http://wowi.pastey.net/3626 would keep spaming "you are not in a guild"? |
| 01:14.50 | sysrage | sendAddonMessage(prefix, messageToSend, "GUILD"); |
| 01:15.40 | Thunder_Child | and just that will do it? |
| 01:17.04 | sysrage | ... |
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| 01:19.23 | Industrial | in the bindings screen |
| 01:19.25 | Industrial | what does |
| 01:19.35 | Industrial | Special Action Button 1-10 |
| 01:19.44 | Industrial | and Secondary Action Button 1-10 |
| 01:19.45 | Industrial | mean? |
| 01:31.53 | seebs | Hey, what event fires when I gain an aura? ("You gain Reckoning." for instance) |
| 01:34.21 | seebs | I was hoping to avoid listening to all COMBAT_TEXT_UPDATE messages, but I'm not seeing anything else that tells me what auras have been gained. |
| 01:35.28 | Thunder_Child | try http://www.wowwiki.com/Events/Buff |
| 01:35.51 | Thunder_Child | looks like UNIT_AURA near the bottom |
| 01:36.12 | Kirov | That's when you gain the aura itself. |
| 01:37.12 | seebs | Yeah, but it doesn't (so far as I can tell) say WHICH aura. |
| 01:37.45 | Arrowmaster | youll have to check CHAT_MSG_* events then |
| 01:38.30 | seebs | Well, that's the thing; I can't figure out which CHAT_MSG_* event would give me "You gain ...". |
| 01:38.41 | Arrowmaster | check wowwiki |
| 01:38.48 | seebs | I can find the one for losing it (CHAT_MSG_AURA_GONE_SELF). |
| 01:38.56 | seebs | I did. There doesn't seem to be a corresponding aura start event. |
| 01:39.03 | seebs | Outside of COMBAT_TEXT_UPDATE. |
| 01:39.15 | Arrowmaster | check for buff not aura |
| 01:39.51 | seebs | Ahh! |
| 01:39.52 | seebs | Doh. |
| 01:40.02 | seebs | CHAT_MSG_SPELL_PERIODIC_SELF_BUFFS |
| 01:40.03 | seebs | Thanks. |
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| 01:54.34 | KiphereCE | TBC needs to launch. |
| 01:54.36 | KiphereCE | yesterday |
| 01:54.47 | KiphereCE | I'm bored and I feel like anything I do on my existing characters is a waste of time |
| 01:55.26 | Garoun|Loupana | I'm still trying to recover from seeing my xbox360 played on my new 42" LCD hdtv :) |
| 01:56.05 | Tain | Go get a Wii, KiphereCE |
| 02:00.06 | Shadowed | any gear/money you get is still useful KiphereCE |
| 02:01.34 | KiphereCE | I have a 360. |
| 02:01.38 | KiphereCE | no urge to flail about. |
| 02:01.45 | KiphereCE | I'll go play raquetball when I wanna do that |
| 02:01.46 | Shadowed | Wiiiiiiiiiii |
| 02:02.04 | Garoun|Loupana | I'd have a wii if I could actually get one in stock :P |
| 02:02.07 | KiphereCE | gonna go back and try to beat my friends geometry wars score I guess. or play some guitar heroes |
| 02:02.24 | Shadowed | more chance of finding a Wii in stock then a PS3 :p |
| 02:02.27 | KiphereCE | guitar heroes 2 hurts my wrist though |
| 02:02.39 | Garoun|Loupana | nah, no one wants a ps3 :x |
| 02:02.56 | Garoun|Loupana | there are actually some stores here with teh 20gig versions that they can't give away |
| 02:03.02 | Shadowed | wow |
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| 02:08.42 | seebs | Thanks again, Arrowmaster. I would NEVER have realized that "buff" and "aura" were related. |
| 02:08.43 | seebs | Doh. |
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| 02:11.25 | Tain | Trauma Center is pretty damn fun |
| 02:15.51 | seebs | I find it a little stressy, I don't like time pressure much. |
| 02:16.07 | seebs | I also don't like the nurse's tendency to say "Dr. Stiles!" without warning or apparent cause. |
| 02:16.30 | Tain | haha yeah that got me a little jumpy |
| 02:17.58 | Industrial | wish I could watch anime and play wow at the same time :( |
| 02:18.19 | Shadowed | depends what you're trying to do |
| 02:18.33 | Industrial | got like EVERYTHING of Ghost in the Shell waiting to be watched |
| 02:19.58 | Tem | If I had 2 monitors and a bigger harddrive, that's all I would do while raiding |
| 02:20.14 | Shadowed | Damn you mages |
| 02:20.31 | Tem | s/raiding/on follow and spamming '2'/ |
| 02:20.41 | Shadowed | one of these days i need to figure out which key combo is making mIRC type text from the right to left side instead of left to right |
| 02:20.57 | Tem | >< |
| 02:21.10 | Thrae | Tem: I have 4 monitors and 1TB of HDD space. |
| 02:21.15 | Xuerian | .... o.o |
| 02:21.18 | Tem | can you share? |
| 02:21.25 | Tem | I love you long time |
| 02:21.34 | Shadowed | Thrae beats me by 2 monitors :( |
| 02:21.37 | Thrae | You can have the 8" LCD/TV ;) |
| 02:22.10 | Thrae | My main gaming monitor is a 24" 1920x1024 LCD-TV with PiP. I use that to watch TV while raiding. |
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| 02:22.50 | Shadowed | aha there we go |
| 02:22.59 | Thunder_Child | i simply use my other monitor to watch |
| 02:23.33 | Thrae | Note that Monitor 2 & 3 are connected to a different computer since I usually enable SLI on my gaming machine. |
| 02:23.34 | Xuerian | Thrae: Don't you mean you use the PiP to raid while watching tv? XD |
| 02:23.35 | Shadowed | So who happens to know what command you use to read messages! |
| 02:24.13 | Thrae | Xuerian: Well, I also have PbP (Picture-By-Picture, where they're both the same size right next to each other) ;) |
| 02:24.24 | Shadowed | Thrae you're a Rogue aren't you :p |
| 02:24.26 | Thunder_Child | Thrae, depending on your setup you have have 4 monitors on an SLI system |
| 02:24.28 | Xuerian | Bastard :p |
| 02:24.55 | Thunder_Child | s/you have/you can have/ |
| 02:25.16 | Xuerian | Thrae: A friend of mine who I've pasted this convo to wants to know what the hell you use 1TB for XD |
| 02:25.17 | Thrae | Thunder_Child: Not with the actual SLI-GPU function enabled with my two 6600s |
| 02:25.44 | Thunder_Child | hardware SLI is done internaly |
| 02:25.54 | Thunder_Child | a physical bridge inside the case |
| 02:26.03 | Thunder_Child | my understanding was that it was Nvidia doing it |
| 02:26.11 | Thrae | Thunder_Child: You also have to enable it in software with the Nvidia console |
| 02:26.20 | Shadowed | Xuerian: lots of anime |
| 02:26.28 | Thunder_Child | thats fine, but that does not take up monitor spots |
| 02:26.41 | Xuerian | Shadowed: "i mean there is only so much porn in the world, and only so many ways to watch it XD" :P |
| 02:26.56 | Shadowed | Hrm only 80GB of anime so far actually |
| 02:27.12 | Thunder_Child | umm..i watch it with my eyes....how else would you watch it? |
| 02:27.29 | Industrial | im at 44 but I delete shit I dont like instantly |
| 02:27.56 | Thrae | Xuerian: 5% Misc, 10% porn, 10% Network Backups, 20% ISOs and ROM Backups, 55% Anime-Yet-To-Be-Watched |
| 02:28.26 | Thrae | s/Watched/Watched-Or-Burned/ |
| 02:28.45 | Xuerian | "good answer". :P |
| 02:29.01 | Thunder_Child | so that makes 100gb of porn |
| 02:29.06 | Shadowed | Xuerian: Not sure how Thrae set his up, but this is what I do. One raptor drive that windows runs on for fast booting and such, one partition on that drive for storing programs, Two 250GB drives that are RAID0 and another two that are RAID1 for games and such that I can get easly. The programs partition just makes it easier to recover or reinstall stuff from a format |
| 02:29.38 | Xuerian | Shadowed: Nice. =P. |
| 02:29.52 | Industrial | I just have a computar and a monitar and then it works |
| 02:29.52 | Thrae | My Linux server actually only holds ~600GB, and my gaming machine has 230GB |
| 02:29.53 | Shadowed | plus lets be fair |
| 02:29.58 | Shadowed | it's fun to say "I have 1TB of space" |
| 02:30.42 | Xuerian | lol. |
| 02:30.50 | Thrae | Shadowed: RAID is overrated, I prefer doing incremental backups every night. Then again, I could do both, but that's more expensive. |
| 02:31.11 | Shadowed | Yeah |
| 02:31.15 | Thrae | Shadowed: I see Windows die far more often then a HDD |
| 02:31.26 | Thrae | And with RAID, you get a perfect mirror of a dead Windows! |
| 02:31.39 | Shadowed | windows isn't on the RAID drive :p |
| 02:31.42 | Thunder_Child | raid is for the data, not windows |
| 02:31.46 | Thrae | Ahhh |
| 02:32.01 | Thrae | Well, that still doesn't help with partition corruption |
| 02:32.16 | Thunder_Child | well for me windows has it's own hd |
| 02:32.37 | Thunder_Child | everything else is on the other hd's |
| 02:32.37 | Thrae | My Windows is on a 30GB Raptor I bought on sale for $180 (back in the early days of Raptors) |
| 02:32.38 | Shadowed | in the end, you can't be 100% sure that your data will be backed up, maybe your windows and linux machines harddrives die at the same time, it's just trying to make it as unlikely as possible |
| 02:33.24 | Thunder_Child | it's easy. a small 50gb drive for windows then 2tb in a RAID5 setup |
| 02:33.24 | Thrae | Shadowed: Perhaps, but it's less likely if they are in separate computers |
| 02:33.30 | Shadowed | thats true |
| 02:33.51 | Thrae | Anyway, like I said, ~50% of my data is transient anyway :D |
| 02:33.52 | Shadowed | this is mostly a gaming machine thought, most of the info that I actually will need is on a seperate box |
| 02:34.31 | Thrae | I just bought a new system for my WoW-playing family for Christmas. |
| 02:34.46 | Shadowed | nice |
| 02:35.26 | Thrae | Their old computer, which probably won't be able to play BC and doesn't play WoW "very well", died a few days ago. So they had me next-day the parts. I'll be assembling it tomorrow. |
| 02:35.46 | Thrae | My Mom was in a wreck since they only had one computer in the house to play WoW, the new Core Duo laptop =/ |
| 02:36.58 | Thrae | Here's the guide I mainly used (I used a little bit less powerful components, shaved off ~$200) -- http://arstechnica.com/guides/buyer/system-guide-200612.ars |
| 02:37.26 | Thrae | Errr specifically http://arstechnica.com/guides/buyer/system-guide-200612.ars/3 |
| 02:38.10 | Tain | Yay ars |
| 02:38.36 | Thrae | I drooled a little while buying the parts |
| 02:39.06 | Thrae | I need a better supplier though...Newegg is good, but for spending $1000 in one month I should get some more perks |
| 02:39.55 | Tain | I like newegg still but not as much since they got rid of their free shipping. |
| 02:40.19 | Thrae | They just slashed the price and added it onto shipping |
| 02:40.38 | Thrae | Typical Internet merchant trick |
| 02:41.09 | Thrae | Most of the parts come from their NJ warehouse for the cheapest shipping option, which usually takes them 1 day for me |
| 02:41.20 | Thunder_Child | zipzoomfly has decent prices but the cs is a bit iffy for me |
| 02:42.00 | Tain | I haven't had any issues with zipzoomfly yet, i haven't had to call anything in though |
| 02:42.35 | Thunder_Child | i still use www.pricegrabber.com for baseline compairisons though |
| 03:04.52 | seebs | I tried really hard to spec out a fairly efficient but quiet machine for my primary working desktop. Not Windows, just text and a browser. |
| 03:05.30 | seebs | It turns out I couldn't build anything that could come within about an order of magnitude of an Intel mini. |
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| 03:11.50 | [RTE] | hey folks |
| 03:12.27 | [RTE] | have anyone here tried private server goodness? :) |
| 03:13.28 | cladhaire | i actually like blizzard liking me, so no |
| 03:13.41 | [RTE] | :) |
| 03:14.40 | KiphereCE | yay, dungeonrunners beta. |
| 03:14.46 | KiphereCE | that should blow some time between now and TBC :p |
| 03:15.10 | Garoun|Loupana | already been playing it |
| 03:15.23 | Garoun|Loupana | it takes pot shots at GW, CoH, but wow especially |
| 03:15.36 | Garoun|Loupana | with items like of the wallabee, of the manatee, ect |
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| 03:16.20 | Thunder_Child | i would love to see "of the forumqq" or soemthing similar |
| 03:16.38 | Garoun|Loupana | there's from the ghetto also |
| 03:16.44 | KiphereCE | kek |
| 03:16.54 | KiphereCE | I dunno, I heard its a fairly simple game. |
| 03:17.02 | KiphereCE | so I figure it cant keep me occupied more than a lil while. |
| 03:17.03 | Garoun|Loupana | it's basically dumb down wow |
| 03:17.12 | Garoun|Loupana | with a lot of satire |
| 03:17.30 | Shadowed | I don't think thats possible Garoun |
| 03:17.37 | KiphereCE | I'm gonna make a dashboard for WoW and thats the last modification I'm gonna mess with for a while |
| 03:17.37 | xgravix | does WoW lua not implement the math library? i get an error when calling math.mod |
| 03:17.45 | Garoun|Loupana | you'd be surprised Shadowed |
| 03:17.45 | Shadowed | it was renamed |
| 03:17.51 | Garoun|Loupana | it's VERY amusing |
| 03:17.56 | Shadowed | I believe someone said it was replaced by %? |
| 03:17.59 | ckknight | hey all |
| 03:18.07 | ckknight | xgravix, math.fmod |
| 03:18.11 | Shadowed | or that |
| 03:18.12 | ckknight | oh yea, they added % |
| 03:18.14 | ckknight | I forgot. |
| 03:18.21 | ckknight | I should change my stuff to use that |
| 03:18.29 | xgravix | so is it %.fmod? is that what you mean? |
| 03:18.29 | ckknight | I wish they'd add \ (truncated division) |
| 03:18.39 | ckknight | xgravix, no. |
| 03:18.43 | Shadowed | no he means that you can use either % or math.fmod |
| 03:18.53 | xgravix | ohhh. the operator. gotcha. |
| 03:18.56 | Shadowed | right |
| 03:19.02 | xgravix | thanks guys :) |
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| 03:19.30 | KiphereCE | the T.King stuff doesn't do anything but replace art assets right? |
| 03:20.00 | Tain | The last I looked at it yes. |
| 03:20.10 | KiphereCE | ok, gonan DL it to look at how. |
| 03:20.34 | KiphereCE | s/gonan/gonna/ |
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| 03:26.48 | KiphereCE | hrm, some gaps in the art. |
| 03:26.51 | KiphereCE | but pretty |
| 03:27.05 | KiphereCE | I see it's just replacement, it doesnt function as an addon. |
| 03:27.18 | KiphereCE | doesnt help me but it's at least informative, didn't realize you could do that still. |
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| 03:30.39 | KiphereCE | hrm, I'll ask in here too, if anyone sees this question twice, sorry :p |
| 03:31.00 | KiphereCE | If i create a frame that just houses a graphic that goes from one side of my screen to the other across the bottom and has transparent areas. |
| 03:31.10 | KiphereCE | will mouseclicks register 'through' the graphic for things like targeting and what not? |
| 03:32.41 | Shadowed | Anyone here played with Bugsack before happen to know about it internally? |
| 03:40.55 | Garoun|Loupana | come on shadow, the Weapon Speeds on my current gear in Dungeon Runners is Ludacris :) |
| 03:41.11 | Garoun|Loupana | and my weapon is: Festering Cardboard Colossal Fork of Battle |
| 03:41.13 | Shadowed | haha |
| 03:41.35 | Garoun|Loupana | my gloves: Baby Seal Skin Brigandine of the Newst |
| 03:41.53 | Garoun|Loupana | helm: Agitated Rusty Scale Headgear of the Generic Hippo |
| 03:42.03 | Shadowed | odd |
| 03:42.19 | Garoun|Loupana | neck: Intergalactic Designer Beads of the Rooster |
| 03:46.00 | KiphereCE | so, anyone know about the transparency thing I mentioned? |
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| 03:49.19 | KiphereCE | guess not heh |
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| 04:25.51 | Kirkburn | K, so quick note - v20000-2 of ClearFont is out everywhere, including the Ace SVN. Website updated, enjoy :) |
| 04:31.24 | Kaelten | Kirkburn: :) |
| 04:32.06 | Kirkburn | Kaelten: :D |
| 04:32.10 | KiphereCE | if anyone happens to read my comment above about the graphic and mouseclicks and has an answer shoot it to me in a PM ;) |
| 04:32.15 | KiphereCE | i'll read it in the morning. Night. |
| 04:39.54 | seebs | I wonder. Imagine that you were to make a UI which removed all Blizzard UI elements, including the menu bar, and captured Escape, leaving people unable to log out. |
| 04:40.04 | seebs | How many people would take the time to find out where you live and hunt you down? |
| 04:40.46 | Thunder_Child | none |
| 04:41.32 | seebs | Hmm. |
| 04:41.35 | seebs | That sounds almost fun, then! |
| 04:41.37 | seebs | Heh. |
| 04:41.59 | seebs | I should totally separate out my useful mods (which I should do under the name of one of my non-evil characters), and then do a series of just horrible mods and attribute them to a warlock. |
| 04:45.46 | Kirkburn | seebs, I can prevent myself logging out just by staying on Tempest Keep for any length of time. Oh, and also the NPCs disappear and thw world dies. But apart from that, whee, flying! |
| 04:45.58 | seebs | Hee. |
| 04:59.46 | cladhaire | PVP rewards price list up anywhere? |
| 05:03.09 | Thunder_Child | try http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=51038110&pageNo=1&sid=1#0 |
| 05:03.16 | Thunder_Child | though i dont know if it is out of date |
| 05:04.05 | cladhaire | thx |
| 05:07.34 | cladhaire | thanks |
| 05:07.43 | Thunder_Child | welcome |
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| 05:30.22 | xgravix | anyone having a problem with autoloot and disenchant |
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| 05:42.28 | bleetah | purl should be thankful that it does not have a pain in all the diodes down it's left side |
| 05:42.47 | Kirov | random ... |
| 05:43.15 | bleetah | I also suspect, purl is thankful that it does no park cars |
| 05:43.53 | bleetah | *not |
| 05:44.00 | Cairenn | very |
| 05:44.24 | bleetah | ~42 |
| 05:44.26 | purl | from memory, 42 is the answer to life the universe and everything, see also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/the_answer_to_life,_the_universe,_and_everything |
| 05:44.52 | bleetah | 'from memory' suggests it is not emprical fact |
| 05:45.22 | Thunder_Child | to be honest i think that purl is most thankfull for the fact that it does not have to listen to everything we type, just some |
| 05:45.37 | Cairenn | quite |
| 05:45.52 | bleetah | ~thankful |
| 05:45.52 | purl | bitte, bleetah |
| 05:46.19 | bleetah | pulr, bedankt |
| 05:46.42 | bleetah | erk, i think my language drifted as much as my memory of that words' spelling |
| 05:46.59 | bleetah | not to mention typoing purl's name |
| 05:48.36 | seebs | http://www.snopes.com/crime/cops/burger.asp |
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| 05:59.28 | bleetah | I hadn't noticed this peculiarity ingame before... tortoises drop turtle meat and turtle scales |
| 05:59.47 | bleetah | based on this reasoning, I'm going after some raptors, looking for crawler claws and zesty clam meat |
| 06:01.44 | Corr[home] | i don't understand |
| 06:02.30 | Thunder_Child | turtles and tortoises are not the same |
| 06:02.45 | bleetah | they're about as same as raptor/crab |
| 06:03.26 | SP|Sorren | they're closer than raptors and crabs |
| 06:03.33 | Corr[home] | you're seeking the meat of the clam from something that is only vaguely related to the clam because a tortoise drops the meat of a creature that's nearly identical? |
| 06:03.45 | seebs | turtle and tortoise are close enough that I can't tell you how to tell them apart. |
| 06:04.09 | Corr[home] | apparently the most significant difference is that a tortoise is based on land while turtles prefer water. it might also be larger. |
| 06:04.32 | seebs | Oh. |
| 06:04.43 | Kirkburn | Flowers and you share something like 80% of your DNA - best not to talk about similarity too much :P |
| 06:04.56 | seebs | Then I have no idea how to tell which are which; I don't know what the preferences of the WoW ones are. |
| 06:05.04 | seebs | They mostly like shorelines, I think. |
| 06:05.09 | Kirkburn | And wimmen. |
| 06:05.18 | Corr[home] | it suggests to me that they actually are misnamed turtles |
| 06:05.23 | Corr[home] | sea turtles, at that |
| 06:05.26 | Kirkburn | Actually ... |
| 06:05.36 | seebs | Hmm. |
| 06:05.38 | Cairenn | o.O |
| 06:05.39 | Kirkburn | Tortoises and turtles mean different things in different parts of the world |
| 06:05.47 | Kirkburn | Americans use a different name to europeans |
| 06:05.52 | SP|Sorren | oh? |
| 06:05.56 | Kirkburn | Yup |
| 06:05.58 | Corr[home] | "While the Oxford English Dictionary refers to a tortoise as a "slow-moving land reptile with a scaly or leathery domed shell into which it can retract its head and legs" [1], in American English it is not uncommon for such animals to be referred to as turtle." |
| 06:05.59 | SP|Sorren | what does tortoise mean in europe? |
| 06:06.08 | Kirkburn | Corr[home] has the win! |
| 06:06.21 | Corr[home] | he means americans sometimes call them turtles either way |
| 06:06.42 | Corr[home] | probably because of WoW. it's all blizzard's fault. |
| 06:06.47 | Kirkburn | Sure is! |
| 06:06.58 | SP|Sorren | they're still rather similar, imo |
| 06:07.06 | SP|Sorren | a turtle and a tortoise |
| 06:07.34 | seebs | It would never have occurred to me that there was a difference. |
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| 06:08.43 | Cairenn | same family, different animals |
| 06:10.33 | SP|Sorren | turtles and tortoises are as close together as frogs and toads imo |
| 06:10.34 | Neuro | there's also a difference between a dolphin and a porpoise |
| 06:10.46 | SP|Sorren | i dont really know the difference between frogs and toads ;p |
| 06:10.55 | Cairenn | alligator & crocodile, too |
| 06:10.56 | Corr[home] | now that i didn't know before. porpoise. what's that? i must research. |
| 06:10.59 | bleetah | lawyers and eels |
| 06:11.13 | Cairenn | I finally figured out how to tell gaters and crocs apart |
| 06:11.34 | SP|Sorren | one of them has a tooth that sticks out, i forget which ;O |
| 06:11.43 | SP|Sorren | er, up |
| 06:11.53 | Cairenn | crocs,some of the teeth stick out around the mouth |
| 06:12.03 | Neuro | The most obvious visible difference between the two groups is that porpoises have spatulate (flattened) teeth distinct from the conical teeth of dolphins. In addition, porpoises are relatively r-selected compared with dolphins: that is, they rear more young more quickly than dolphins. |
| 06:12.05 | Cairenn | gators, the teeth are all inside |
| 06:13.04 | SP|Sorren | i see |
| 06:16.33 | Cairenn | the things we amuse ourselves with ... |
| 06:16.54 | seebs | http://www.angryflower.com/whatsp.gif |
| 06:19.31 | Cairenn | O.o |
| 06:20.33 | Widgertick | purl, Jag känner en bot. |
| 06:36.43 | ckknight_ | hey all |
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| 06:40.35 | Cairenn | hi ckknight |
| 06:52.38 | abug | ~have my babies |
| 06:53.05 | abug | purl, I love you |
| 06:53.06 | purl | You love you? |
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| 07:16.15 | Neebler | purl, I love ? |
| 07:16.18 | purl | You love? |
| 07:16.35 | Neebler | yes purl I do. and you are a bot incapable of human emotions |
| 07:17.25 | Neebler | purl, that's deep |
| 07:18.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | hrm |
| 07:18.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | anyone know of any 2.0 rockbiter vs windfury calculators? |
| 07:19.58 | xgravix | i post more than 10% of the auctions on my server |
| 07:20.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | farmer |
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| 07:22.30 | Garoun|Loupana | the item names in DUngeon runners are too funny |
| 07:22.54 | Garoun|Loupana | ring: Rambunctious Wondrous Cereal Box Ring of the Rabble-rousing Butterfly |
| 07:26.01 | SP|Sorren | not the Rabble-rousing Butterfly! |
| 07:26.42 | Garoun|Loupana | :) |
| 07:27.04 | Garoun|Loupana | using Festering Cardboard Colossal Fork of Battle for my 2h |
| 07:27.16 | SP|Sorren | lol |
| 07:27.26 | SP|Sorren | man it's gotta hurt to get smacked by that. |
| 07:27.40 | Garoun|Loupana | yeah, it's bigger then my fighter |
| 07:28.45 | Garoun|Loupana | new boots: Stellar Acid-Wash Slippers of the Determined Unicorn |
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| 07:39.38 | Kirov | ~seen Cide |
| 07:39.54 | purl | cide <n=Cide@81-226-233-5-no60.tbcn.telia.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 6h 46m 30s ago, saying: 'that's rather clunky'. |
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| 08:19.25 | Kaelten | ok if I have .50 = x^y how is it x = .50/1^y? |
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| 08:27.00 | Kirkburn | Kaelten, I think the proof for that would be quite long |
| 08:27.21 | Kirkburn | Trying to think of it atm, but schtuck |
| 08:27.27 | Kirkburn | brb |
| 08:27.28 | Tierrie | wtf is 1^y? |
| 08:27.30 | Tierrie | isn't that like 1? |
| 08:27.41 | Tierrie | 1 to the power of anything is like 1 I thought |
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| 08:28.07 | Kaelten | actually I was trying to convert it so I could solve for x using it |
| 08:28.21 | Kaelten | trying to write a decay algorithim |
| 08:28.26 | Tierrie | you need two equations to solve for x |
| 08:28.43 | Tierrie | or did you mean you wanted to write it f(x) form? |
| 08:29.04 | Tierrie | because then the solution is logarithmic |
| 08:29.08 | Kaelten | Tierrie: I have two equations |
| 08:29.39 | SP|Sorren | those two? then the only answer is x = .50 and y = 1 ;p |
| 08:30.55 | Kirkburn | That's sounds right to me |
| 08:31.43 | Tierrie | dude |
| 08:31.54 | Tierrie | if those are your two equations its not saying very much |
| 08:31.56 | seebs | Hey, cool, a math problem! |
| 08:31.56 | Kaelten | found out y is .2182 |
| 08:32.06 | seebs | WTF? |
| 08:32.12 | Kaelten | lol |
| 08:32.20 | Kaelten | well the two formulas where |
| 08:32.27 | seebs | There's at least two x/y pairs, and I bet there's an infinite number. |
| 08:33.07 | seebs | 2^-1 = .5, and .5^1 = .5. |
| 08:33.07 | seebs | It's not continuous. |
| 08:33.07 | Kaelten | .5 = x^y and 1 = (x * 24) ^ y |
| 08:33.15 | seebs | Oh! |
| 08:33.19 | Kaelten | those are the two forumals |
| 08:33.22 | seebs | Hmm. |
| 08:33.32 | Widgertick | Pie is the answer. |
| 08:33.35 | seebs | That's more complicated, then. Hmm. |
| 08:33.35 | Widgertick | Eat more pie. |
| 08:33.43 | seebs | Oh, that's easy, then. |
| 08:34.03 | seebs | Wait, no it isn't. Stupid seebs forgot distributive law. |
| 08:34.20 | seebs | (x*24)^y = x^y*24^y |
| 08:34.54 | seebs | Since x^y = .5, then we can simplify some to 1=.5 * 24^y |
| 08:35.02 | seebs | Or, alternatively, 24^y = 2 |
| 08:35.24 | seebs | .2182's at least in the ballpark. |
| 08:35.34 | Kaelten | I must be fucking something up though |
| 08:35.42 | Kaelten | I got x to be .0415 |
| 08:35.56 | seebs | Hmm. |
| 08:36.02 | Kaelten | and then my math doesn't work |
| 08:36.07 | Kaelten | maybe I pluged it back in the wrong way |
| 08:36.31 | seebs | Well, are we agreed as far as 24^y = 2? |
| 08:36.59 | Kaelten | hehe not sure I've found myself plunging into math I havn't done in 7 or 8 years |
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| 08:37.21 | SP|Sorren | math is hard. |
| 08:37.28 | SP|Sorren | that's why we invented calculators ;o |
| 08:37.30 | silv | Molten Core is a hard instance. |
| 08:37.32 | Kaelten | I think that 24^y = 2 |
| 08:37.37 | silv | =) |
| 08:37.38 | SP|Sorren | silv: lies |
| 08:37.45 | silv | ok |
| 08:37.45 | SP|Sorren | maybe back in like 1.3 :P |
| 08:37.49 | seebs | Well, I confirm that 24^.2182 is very close to 2.0. |
| 08:38.09 | Kaelten | ok |
| 08:38.19 | Kaelten | maybe I plugged it back into the wrong function |
| 08:38.34 | Widgertick | So... |
| 08:38.39 | silv | 2 horsemen down, with 2 at 50% and one of your mages chain-owns the raid with his water elemental pet on using zeliek's Holy Wrath = hard instance |
| 08:38.45 | Widgertick | Molten Core is to Silv.. as Math is to Sorren? |
| 08:38.53 | Widgertick | Not really difficult, but both of them think so? |
| 08:39.03 | silv | :( |
| 08:39.08 | Kaelten | I think it should be .5 = x ^ .2181 |
| 08:39.19 | seebs | And yes, .0415 is right. |
| 08:39.29 | seebs | Yup. |
| 08:39.45 | Kaelten | but its not making sense :( |
| 08:39.52 | seebs | And .0415^.2181 is very close to 0.5. |
| 08:39.52 | SP|Sorren | why not ;o |
| 08:40.11 | Kaelten | oh shit I plugged the math in at the end at the wrong point |
| 08:40.16 | Kaelten | *hits head on wall* |
| 08:40.21 | SP|Sorren | see, math is hard omg |
| 08:40.26 | seebs | And (.0415 * 24) ^ .2181 is very close to 1. |
| 08:40.29 | seebs | So I think you're right. |
| 08:40.33 | seebs | Eh, math's easy. |
| 08:40.43 | SP|Sorren | fine, math is tedious |
| 08:40.44 | seebs | Arithmetic's hard. |
| 08:41.07 | seebs | <-- was raised by mathematicians. |
| 08:41.15 | SP|Sorren | trying to figure out why my addon isn't working = hard :( |
| 08:41.55 | seebs | It's not working because you've got a single-letter capitalization error in a variable name somewhere. |
| 08:41.59 | Kaelten | well thanks to you and ck in another channel I have a formula to generate the decay of a auctionhouse snapshot where two weeks old is 103% loss |
| 08:42.05 | SP|Sorren | i just found it |
| 08:42.08 | SP|Sorren | and that was a good guess |
| 08:42.09 | SP|Sorren | :( |
| 08:42.24 | SP|Sorren | i'd forgotten to prepend a self: :X |
| 08:42.28 | Kaelten | all though it really should be 103 hrm |
| 08:42.33 | Kaelten | err shouldn't be 104 |
| 08:42.36 | Kaelten | err shouldn't be 103 |
| 08:42.55 | seebs | Cool! |
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| 08:43.54 | Kaelten | heh and htats what happens when you reduce logs down to decimals |
| 08:44.01 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 08:44.02 | seebs | Oh! |
| 08:44.13 | seebs | So it's not just my mod showing no downloads. |
| 08:44.26 | Kirkburn | Nah, just no-one has downloaded yours :P |
| 08:45.11 | SP|Sorren | no one has downloaded any mods recently, clearly. |
| 08:45.26 | SP|Sorren | we've all be forsaken for the default blizzard ui! |
| 08:45.33 | seebs | But people are COMMENTING on it. As though they downloaded it. |
| 08:45.35 | seebs | MY HEAD IS EXPLODE. |
| 08:45.56 | xgravix | i just pretended i download it before commenting |
| 08:46.00 | xgravix | to see your reaction |
| 08:46.01 | xgravix | hahaha |
| 08:46.25 | seebs | YOU DECEITFUL !@#$$#@. |
| 08:46.26 | Kirkburn | Aww, seebs, that's just one less person to download your addon! |
| 08:46.35 | seebs | Oooh, now I'm mad. |
| 08:46.38 | Kirkburn | You'll be on -1 now \o/ |
| 08:47.01 | seebs | Just for that, I'm gonna put your name in the credits when I release WhisperRLC. |
| 08:47.28 | seebs | wah. |
| 08:47.30 | Kirkburn | I am ....... wondering what exactly this addon will do in my name? |
| 08:47.40 | seebs | No, not you, Kirk, xgravix. |
| 08:47.49 | xgravix | POWER PERCEIVED IS THE POWER ACHIEVED!! |
| 08:47.50 | seebs | WhisperRLC is the mod that reloads your UI whenever anyone whispers you "reloadui". |
| 08:47.51 | Kirkburn | Ah |
| 08:47.56 | xgravix | sorry for caps. |
| 08:47.58 | xgravix | i mean, no i'm not. |
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| 08:48.24 | Kirkburn | Can I get my name in the Evil section of the credits? |
| 08:48.29 | seebs | I got in so much trouble in second grade for arguing with a teacher. A math book had a typo and listed "2 - 3" as a problem, and I wouldn't accept that the book was wrong. |
| 08:48.42 | Kaelten | seebs: on a fun side this is what I was making |
| 08:48.42 | Kaelten | lapse = (1/24 * ( x /(12 * 60 * 60) ))^(math.log(2) / math.log(24)) |
| 08:48.55 | Kirkburn | I can also go with "Downright Bastard", "Annoying Sod", ... |
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| 08:50.00 | Kaelten | but there is a rounding error completely messing up the math |
| 08:50.43 | seebs | Well, er, doh. |
| 08:50.59 | seebs | What are you TRYING to calculate? |
| 08:51.01 | Kaelten | well its spost to reach 1 at when x = 14 days |
| 08:51.09 | Kaelten | seebs a decay curve |
| 08:51.20 | Kaelten | so that at 12 hours its 50% and at 14 days its 100% |
| 08:51.29 | seebs | YFor x=1, that's gonna be (1 / (24*12*60*60)) which is WAY too small to get reliable float numbers. |
| 08:51.40 | seebs | May I humbly suggest a simpler alternative? |
| 08:51.41 | Kaelten | seebs ya thats 1 second though |
| 08:51.50 | Kaelten | x is in seconds |
| 08:51.51 | ckknight | Kaelten, x = 1036800*lapse^(ln(3)/ln(2) + 3) |
| 08:52.08 | seebs | Wait, 12 hours? That's awfully fast. |
| 08:52.35 | Kaelten | seebs: well we're kinda guessing that thats the point where new data is roughly equal to the old data |
| 08:52.41 | seebs | I'd think closer to 48 hours, maybe 72, for the 50% decay. |
| 08:52.54 | seebs | AH prices don't usually fluctuate THAT fast. |
| 08:53.07 | xgravix | so why do you need to reload your ui when somebody whispers you |
| 08:53.28 | Kaelten | seebs its just giving a equal rate to the two data sets |
| 08:53.35 | vith | maybe when your ui is so broken you can't even reload it? |
| 08:53.39 | Kaelten | equal weight |
| 08:53.44 | Kaelten | ckknight: whats that? |
| 08:53.45 | ckknight | xgravix, because you touch yourself at night |
| 08:53.48 | seebs | xgravix: You don't. That's why I'm retaliating against your cruelty by putting your name in the credits. |
| 08:54.02 | ckknight | Kaelten, I solved for x for lapse = (1/24 * ( x /(12 * 60 * 60) ))^(math.log(2) / math.log(24)) |
| 08:54.13 | xgravix | bawahahaha. more spiteful than i imagined |
| 08:54.23 | Kaelten | ah actually we're solving for lapse the variables just happen to be poorly named |
| 08:54.48 | ckknight | fair enough |
| 08:55.25 | Kaelten | ckknight: problem I'm having is that the variables we came up with are having 100% decay at 12 days instead of 14 |
| 08:55.37 | ckknight | hrm |
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| 08:55.50 | Kaelten | hiya MoonWolf |
| 08:56.00 | MoonWolf | hiya kael |
| 08:56.03 | Kaelten | seebs: what was the simpler solution? |
| 08:56.47 | vith | anyone know of an addon which plays the word "fatality" in a chipmunk voice? it's driving me crazy and i don't know what is doing it :( |
| 08:57.21 | SP|Sorren | busack |
| 08:57.23 | SP|Sorren | er |
| 08:57.24 | SP|Sorren | bugsack |
| 08:57.26 | SP|Sorren | and its the worms voice :( |
| 08:57.42 | SP|Sorren | did you never play worms!? |
| 08:57.44 | vith | oh. |
| 08:57.50 | vith | i think i did actually |
| 08:58.18 | vith | haha, i thought it was supposed to mean something died! i was wondering why it happened when i skinned stuff |
| 09:00.04 | seebs | Kalten: I was thinking maybe just more like "x / 14" or something comparable. |
| 09:00.12 | seebs | A linear curve might do you just fine. Or, even simpler: |
| 09:00.58 | seebs | if (x < 24) then return x / 48; else return 0.5 + (x-48) / (12*24); end |
| 09:01.25 | Kaelten | well the theory is the decay is greater the further from 12 hours it is at an expoential rate |
| 09:01.49 | Kaelten | I'm thinking about extending the 100% decay point to allow for a smoother slope though |
| 09:02.23 | Kaelten | on the other side from 12 hours to half a hour it gets to be lower decay |
| 09:02.48 | Kaelten | basically its our way of saying its nearly pointless to scan the auction house every half hour |
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| 09:07.48 | Kaelten | .5 = x^y |
| 09:07.48 | Kaelten | .01 = (x * (18/432))^y |
| 09:07.53 | Kaelten | got two new formulas now |
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| 09:16.01 | Widgertick | Tauren math: |
| 09:16.03 | Widgertick | Cow + pi = mu |
| 09:17.12 | Widgertick | Which makes cow approximately 36.85840734641020676153735661672. |
| 09:17.53 | Widgertick | ... |
| 09:18.02 | Widgertick | Purl, talk with me. |
| 09:18.09 | Widgertick | Purl, I need you! |
| 09:18.11 | purl | You need you!? |
| 09:18.11 | Widgertick | ... |
| 09:18.11 | Widgertick | ;_; |
| 09:18.18 | Widgertick | ind33d |
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| 09:25.23 | Matsy | What's up? |
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| 09:35.27 | Kirov | We're aparently discussing the square root of the hypotenuse of Cow * pi |
| 09:35.48 | Kirov | or something like that |
| 09:35.59 | Kirov | I wasn't really following |
| 09:36.13 | SP|Sorren | cow pies huh? |
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| 10:15.30 | Kirov | hmm... curse go *pttttt* |
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| 10:59.29 | foxlit | So I'm looking at inserting {{protectedapi}} into the 2.0 protected functions on wowwiki |
| 11:00.43 | foxlit | Anyone got a good place to link to when listing SecureActionButtons or /cast as alternatives? |
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| 11:03.02 | Kirov | foxlit - http://www.wowwiki.com/Macros - this needs to be extended greatly at this point |
| 11:03.04 | foxlit | Found it, SecureFramesOverview |
| 11:03.32 | Qshadowp | will the mods that work w ith 2.0 work with TBC? |
| 11:03.58 | AnduinLothar | mostly |
| 11:04.06 | Qshadowp | cool |
| 11:04.15 | Kirov | Qshadowp - most should work with out any changes |
| 11:04.32 | Kirov | foxlit - http://www.wowwiki.com/Most_Used_Macros#2.0_Macro_Guide |
| 11:04.40 | Qshadowp | was gonna say if there wasn't it might be a good idea to start telling people to download there TBC mods now |
| 11:04.49 | Qshadowp | so that the addon sites dont get fragged again like last time :P |
| 11:05.03 | zenzelezz | they may still |
| 11:05.07 | Qshadowp | yea :( |
| 11:05.39 | Kirov | I'd imagine it'll be similar, maybe worse |
| 11:05.39 | zenzelezz | liek need jewlcraft mod plx! |
| 11:05.39 | Qshadowp | lol :P |
| 11:05.46 | Kirov | A lot of people will be coming back to wow, or joining wow for the first time when TBC is released |
| 11:06.25 | foxlit | mm, we need to split http://www.wowwiki.com/Most_Used_Macros#2.0_Macro_Guide into a page of its own |
| 11:06.35 | foxlit | Something like 2.0 Conditional Commands Overview or something |
| 11:06.56 | Kirov | as far as I can tell there's _nothing_ about secure frames up yet |
| 11:07.11 | foxlit | bah, it is actually split already |
| 11:07.24 | foxlit | Well, I'll redlink a few pages and fill them in once they're up |
| 11:07.42 | foxlit | Naming convetions: API_SecureFrames or SecureFrames? |
| 11:08.04 | foxlit | SecureTemplates, even |
| 11:09.59 | foxlit | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_CastSpell, what do you think? |
| 11:16.31 | foxlit | Hm ActionButtonDown(id) and ActionButtonUp(id) are marked as protected, but do not actually generate illegal action errors (they seem to be visual cues only) |
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| 11:22.02 | zenzelezz | what's up with the EU realms today x.x |
| 11:24.35 | zenzelezz | can't even load the realm status page now |
| 11:33.28 | foxlit | Realms look okay to me |
| 11:34.06 | zenzelezz | I've been tossed off three times today and had the realm status page show *every* EU realm as down right then, but they've come up quickly each time |
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| 11:41.46 | [Cu]Werik | Hello |
| 11:42.41 | zenzelezz | heya |
| 11:46.45 | Kirov | zenzelezz - sounds like they're just trying to keep you off. |
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| 11:53.35 | Qshadowp | wtf? |
| 11:53.41 | Qshadowp | does the mailbox destroy mail? |
| 11:53.47 | Qshadowp | if you get too much mail? |
| 11:53.58 | nevcairiel | it just hides it |
| 11:53.59 | nevcairiel | afaik |
| 11:54.03 | Qshadowp | ok :P |
| 11:54.05 | Kirkburn | What makes you say that? |
| 11:54.21 | nevcairiel | if you take some mail out, the old mail should appear again |
| 11:54.22 | Qshadowp | well i just realm transferred, so i stuck all the stuff from my mule onto my main |
| 11:54.33 | Qshadowp | then made a new mule, and transfered like 50 or so items to it |
| 11:54.36 | Qshadowp | and half of them are missing |
| 11:54.49 | Qshadowp | :P |
| 11:55.06 | Qshadowp | yea nevcairiel your right they are reappearing :) |
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| 11:56.53 | Qshadowp | im still not sure what i should do now lol |
| 11:57.01 | Qshadowp | i have all the mats required to speedboost me to 300 alch |
| 11:57.11 | Qshadowp | but im not sure wether 300 alch > 300 tailoring cash wise :S |
| 11:57.34 | axxo | professions aren't the way to go if you want to earn money imo |
| 11:58.04 | Qshadowp | hmm? |
| 11:58.31 | Qshadowp | im not into this gambleing on the AH thing |
| 11:58.40 | Qshadowp | too much of a possibility for loss |
| 11:58.44 | axxo | thats even worse way |
| 11:58.48 | Qshadowp | lol |
| 11:58.56 | Qshadowp | come on then axxo, reveal all. :P |
| 12:01.20 | Qshadowp | http://www.fridgid.com/nurfed/fridgidrandom.jpg ... whats this "Dispel Grid" thing? |
| 12:02.04 | Soulless | Qshadowp: its rdx6 |
| 12:02.09 | Soulless | thats my layout |
| 12:02.20 | Soulless | www.rdx-raid.com |
| 12:02.21 | Qshadowp | yea i know that :P |
| 12:02.34 | Qshadowp | hmm, im on the rdx-raid.com website and i only see Beta 5. |
| 12:02.41 | Soulless | thats it |
| 12:02.45 | Qshadowp | ah ok |
| 12:02.46 | Soulless | its rdx6 beta5 |
| 12:02.50 | Qshadowp | is that thing like decursive? :) |
| 12:02.58 | Soulless | its not spamable no |
| 12:03.20 | Soulless | rdx is a raiding sweet, i really like it, but its not free |
| 12:03.28 | Soulless | suite* >_> |
| 12:03.43 | Qshadowp | you have to pay for it? :S |
| 12:03.50 | Soulless | yeah |
| 12:03.54 | Qshadowp | lame. |
| 12:04.01 | Soulless | i used to be in a guild with the guy who wrote it |
| 12:04.02 | Thunder_Child | i have rdx and i didnt pay |
| 12:04.12 | Qshadowp | im not planning on paying :P |
| 12:04.13 | Soulless | rdx6, not 5 |
| 12:04.25 | Soulless | good luck lol |
| 12:04.35 | Thunder_Child | no, i have RDX.cid...whatever that means |
| 12:04.40 | Soulless | yeah |
| 12:04.53 | Soulless | cidan is in the sister guild of the guy who wrote it |
| 12:04.58 | Soulless | hes a good coder |
| 12:05.06 | Thunder_Child | and his is free http://rdx.emoemu.com/ |
| 12:05.07 | Soulless | but his version lacks a lot of stuff tht 6 has |
| 12:05.13 | Soulless | yup |
| 12:06.30 | Qshadowp | im just after the dispel grid. |
| 12:06.39 | Qshadowp | "Site off-line for now!" |
| 12:07.10 | Qshadowp | oh well, im sure someone with a big brain will make a free dispel grid, then i will <3 them and give them cookies. |
| 12:07.27 | Soulless | lol |
| 12:07.32 | Soulless | wow |
| 12:07.36 | Soulless | cidan's done a lot of work |
| 12:10.34 | Qshadowp | lol, someones selling a mooncloth bag for 14g |
| 12:11.06 | Qshadowp | lmao, i like this |
| 12:11.08 | alcaras_ | after two months, i finally upload an update to alcui :p |
| 12:11.21 | Qshadowp | jamesk on my server, dune maul EU is selling some major healing potions |
| 12:11.30 | Qshadowp | 3g start, 3g 20s buyout about 10 stacks |
| 12:11.34 | Qshadowp | and then one stack is 320g |
| 12:11.35 | Qshadowp | :D |
| 12:12.31 | zenzelezz | lol |
| 12:12.38 | zenzelezz | seen plenty of those |
| 12:13.02 | Qshadowp | \o/ |
| 12:13.35 | Qshadowp | thats actually a good idea for a mod |
| 12:13.48 | zenzelezz | to help scam? |
| 12:13.54 | Qshadowp | no to stop scamming |
| 12:14.06 | zenzelezz | then I agree |
| 12:14.07 | Qshadowp | like if the last item you bought was the same price as this one, and theres a massive price diffrence |
| 12:14.18 | Qshadowp | put up a big warning window "ZOMG YOU ARE GETTING SCAMMED KEK" |
| 12:14.30 | Qshadowp | :) |
| 12:14.41 | foxlit | who reads those anyway? |
| 12:14.52 | zenzelezz | take it one step further, make it spam /1 if it detects it |
| 12:15.05 | Qshadowp | zenzelezz no, because sometimes it can be a mistake. |
| 12:15.13 | foxlit | even if it wasn't |
| 12:15.30 | Qshadowp | so i like the idea of a warning window that has a accept\decline |
| 12:15.43 | foxlit | Spamming public chat channels is just evil, regardless of why you're doing it |
| 12:15.44 | Qshadowp | saying that the last one you bought was x amount, this one is x amount which is x amount higher. |
| 12:16.27 | foxlit | Just hook up actioneer to compare average price with the price you've got atm. |
| 12:16.38 | foxlit | If they're an order of magnitude off, something is very fishy |
| 12:17.42 | foxlit | Is AttackTarget() protected? |
| 12:18.01 | foxlit | Do get the illegal message, but it also comes with the "you can't attack that target" |
| 12:18.03 | zenzelezz | yes |
| 12:18.43 | zenzelezz | with a target selected and in range, I only get the "you wish" message |
| 12:22.51 | foxlit | There's no /targetlastenemy ? |
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| 12:24.35 | zenzelezz | I only see /targetlasttarget (which also gives me a warning about CTRA) o_O |
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| 12:32.26 | Qshadowp | oO, i just noticed in the AH there are new bags |
| 12:32.57 | Qshadowp | like gem bags :O |
| 12:33.22 | zenzelezz | and mining |
| 12:33.32 | Qshadowp | yea :) |
| 12:33.53 | zenzelezz | I just hope we get items to put in those categories soon |
| 12:34.20 | Qshadowp | hehe |
| 12:34.49 | foxlit | What's the deal with focus, by the way? |
| 12:35.10 | foxlit | (the unit) |
| 12:35.28 | zenzelezz | aw, and I was about to make a joke about the lack of it causing wipes |
| 12:38.49 | foxlit | Blizzard should make a small competition on behalf of the addon authors |
| 12:39.11 | foxlit | Remove tainting from a build of wow, then see if someone can completely automate a naxx clear |
| 12:41.38 | Qshadowp | lol |
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| 12:55.46 | Qshadowp | lol i just bought about 2.4k snowballs |
| 12:55.53 | Qshadowp | im gonna be rich in summer, or so the plan goes. |
| 12:56.27 | [Cu]Werik | You will be surprised, when you realize, noone will buy them at summer |
| 12:56.36 | Qshadowp | maybe |
| 12:56.57 | Qshadowp | i only spent about 8g making a couple of mule chars for them anyways. |
| 12:57.01 | Qshadowp | if they sell, sw00t. they sell |
| 12:57.05 | Qshadowp | if not, i'll throw them at people :D |
| 12:57.12 | [Cu]Werik | Besides the fact, that there is another 2000 people who a) thinks the same and bought 2k balls b) did it last year and know it doesnt work |
| 12:57.29 | AnduinLothar | < did it last yr |
| 12:57.31 | zenzelezz | hahaha |
| 12:57.37 | Qshadowp | :P |
| 12:57.57 | [Cu]Werik | Everyone did it last year:P |
| 12:59.28 | Qshadowp | yea as i said i mainly want them to throw at people :) |
| 13:02.47 | Thunder_Child | i didnt do it |
| 13:03.08 | Thunder_Child | it's a freakin snowball.... |
| 13:03.26 | Qshadowp | \o/ observation of the year. |
| 13:03.28 | Thunder_Child | ~sigh Qshadowp |
| 13:03.30 | purl | ACTION sighs, rolls its eyes and shakes its head, "Qshadowp!" |
| 13:03.48 | Qshadowp | purl, emulate purl |
| 13:03.49 | purl | ACTION tries to look like herself. |
| 13:03.55 | Qshadowp | :) |
| 13:04.06 | zenzelezz | did they modify the snowballs this year? Someone was throwing them at me earlier but I never seemed to fall over |
| 13:04.19 | Qshadowp | yea i had that too. |
| 13:04.29 | Qshadowp | so i hear, people are useing them to knock people off cliffs in AV. |
| 13:04.33 | SP|Sorren | zenzelezz: it only happens if you're in their party |
| 13:04.36 | Thunder_Child | they should make it where you have the option to add dyes to it, so you can have colored snowballs |
| 13:04.43 | zenzelezz | SP|Sorren: oh, wasn't aware of that |
| 13:05.00 | SP|Sorren | a friend of mine psuedo afk near the portal in av |
| 13:05.03 | SP|Sorren | got snowballed out today :P |
| 13:05.27 | SP|Sorren | (the AV snowballs have super knockback) |
| 13:05.47 | Mikma | hah |
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| 13:13.26 | foxlit | snowballs + naxxramas == repairs |
| 13:13.53 | zenzelezz | we had that with those halloween polymorphs that silenced too |
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| 13:30.24 | alcaras_ | any wowi file admins able to approve http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5457-AlcUI.html ? |
| 13:30.38 | alcaras_ | probably too early in the morning to get a quick response :p |
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| 13:33.10 | foxlit | purl, who are you? |
| 13:33.26 | purl | foxlit: what are you talking about? |
| 13:33.47 | Soulless | foxlit: purl is a bot |
| 13:34.08 | foxlit | I'm aware of that. |
| 13:34.18 | zenzelezz | I think he knows... but for some reason everyone lately thinks that it's zomguberfunny to spam it |
| 13:34.31 | foxlit | Wanted to see if he selfidentified |
| 13:34.52 | thr | Hm |
| 13:34.56 | thr | I have a guildmate, or rather an officer |
| 13:35.00 | thr | that's claiming that the |
| 13:35.39 | thr | macro api/whatever wont work in tbc, for example this: /cast [target=option1,option2,option3] Spell Name |
| 13:35.48 | zenzelezz | O_o |
| 13:35.53 | thr | ye... |
| 13:35.57 | thr | that's what i thought also. |
| 13:36.10 | thr | but he was all convinced and got frekin upset with me |
| 13:36.31 | thr | and i thought you guys here might know ,p |
| 13:36.34 | foxlit | Did he have a reason? :) |
| 13:36.49 | thr | no he just said it wouldn't work anymore because the frames would be "protected". |
| 13:36.50 | thr | ;> |
| 13:36.56 | zenzelezz | why on earth would they make such a significant improvement a month before BC if they were going to disable it? |
| 13:37.04 | thr | zenzelezz: i asked him that also ;> |
| 13:43.04 | Wobin | >< |
| 13:43.44 | sancus_ | some people are just dumb |
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| 14:42.26 | Mery | well thr: just bet 1000g (or more) against him on that :) |
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| 14:46.54 | KiphereCE|Sleep | asdf |
| 14:48.29 | zenzelezz | quite |
| 14:48.51 | KiphereCE | MORNING |
| 14:50.07 | KiphereCE | it appears my capslock toggled itself. |
| 14:53.46 | KiphereCE | there hamster! |
| 14:53.59 | zenzelezz | whose hamster? |
| 14:54.22 | thr | what's the command to use a pet skill? |
| 14:54.26 | thr | like a mindcontrolled minion, etc? |
| 14:54.41 | thr | something like: /pet Skill Name ? |
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| 14:55.49 | zenzelezz | the renaming of that one mage pet's skill makes me think it's just /cast spell name, but not certain if that's the case or not |
| 15:01.09 | KiphereCE | thr |
| 15:01.15 | KiphereCE | use [pet] in there |
| 15:01.48 | zenzelezz | /cast [pet] Renew |
| 15:01.49 | zenzelezz | ? |
| 15:01.50 | KiphereCE | to make an owl dive i tyep /cast [pet] Dive |
| 15:01.57 | KiphereCE | type~ |
| 15:02.28 | zenzelezz | is it the same for mind controlled mobs? |
| 15:02.45 | KiphereCE | the [pet] modifier takes arguements, [pet] by itself referecnes if you have 'any' pet. |
| 15:02.56 | zenzelezz | cool, thanks :) |
| 15:03.28 | KiphereCE | now, that depends 100% on whether or not mindcontrolled targets are actual pets or flagged differently. |
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| 15:03.48 | KiphereCE | that I don't know for sure. I can try it out on my priest real fast if you want :p |
| 15:03.54 | zenzelezz | should be easy to test |
| 15:03.55 | Amro | hi |
| 15:04.25 | zenzelezz | heya |
| 15:04.29 | KiphereCE | don't you just get their hotbar and junk when you MC them? |
| 15:04.33 | KiphereCE | does a pet bar actualy pop up? |
| 15:04.48 | foxlit | pet bar is being evil :/ |
| 15:05.07 | foxlit | You do get it when MCing someone |
| 15:05.09 | zenzelezz | my priest only hit 30 a few days ago, so I'm pretty noob about MC |
| 15:05.28 | KiphereCE | my hunter got shelved a long time ago so I don't generally even see a pet bar ;) |
| 15:05.29 | zenzelezz | but the MCed mob seems to show up under the player portrait whenever you (or anyone) MCs something |
| 15:05.42 | KiphereCE | brb, gonna test some stuff :p |
| 15:07.29 | Amro | is there a barmod that allows you to hide actions that are not on cooldown? |
| 15:07.34 | thr | well |
| 15:07.36 | thr | a hunter mate of mine |
| 15:07.40 | thr | used the /cast Dash |
| 15:07.41 | thr | and worked. |
| 15:07.45 | thr | *and it worked. |
| 15:08.47 | zenzelezz | I think the problem would arise if the pet had a skill with the same name, which can happen with MC... thus I find the [pet] modifier nice; if it works for MCed mobs... altough I'd probably just use the pet action bar :-p |
| 15:09.14 | thr | ok |
| 15:09.15 | zenzelezz | *with the same name as one of yours |
| 15:09.15 | thr | well |
| 15:09.58 | foxlit | Interesting. |
| 15:10.10 | foxlit | Petbar for water elemental doesn't pop up if the bottom left actionbar is up |
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| 15:10.14 | thr | we have problems with the MC:ing on raz since our priests don't get thier petbars up |
| 15:10.34 | zenzelezz | foxlit: I wonder if that's why my mind control pet bar isn't working either unless I "hack" it |
| 15:13.23 | foxlit | "hack |
| 15:13.30 | KiphereCE | ok |
| 15:13.36 | foxlit | " it? Force a call on PetActionBar_ShowGrid? |
| 15:13.37 | KiphereCE | when I mindcontrol a newby I keep my own spells. |
| 15:13.50 | KiphereCE | but funny enough, a petbar showed up when I mind controlled a lock for his pet |
| 15:14.23 | KiphereCE | I don't htink mind controlled targets are registering as 'pets' in the traditional sense. |
| 15:14.28 | zenzelezz | foxlit: Cide gave me a line: /script PetActionBarFrame:SetAttribute("unit", "pet"); RegisterUnitWatch(PetActionBarFrame) |
| 15:14.35 | KiphereCE | I had absolutely no UIs running at all when I did it. |
| 15:15.41 | zenzelezz | with that line executed (out of combat) it's still a little bugged, but at least it shows when I MC |
| 15:18.14 | foxlit | So it fails if you're in combat? |
| 15:18.34 | zenzelezz | not certain, but I was under that impression yesterday |
| 15:18.42 | zenzelezz | you only run it once after you log in |
| 15:18.57 | zenzelezz | but I have a habit of forgetting it until I've already cast MC |
| 15:20.48 | foxlit | <3 Junk, my pet "insert any code here" addon |
| 15:21.17 | zenzelezz | :) |
| 15:23.48 | cncfanatics | cladhaire, is there a place where I can find your PerfectFramePool library ? |
| 15:23.54 | cncfanatics | can't seem to find it anywhere |
| 15:23.59 | cladhaire | dump.brokendreams.net/files |
| 15:24.03 | cladhaire | i dont think its tested |
| 15:24.05 | cladhaire | but its a very simple concept =) |
| 15:24.34 | cncfanatics | 1.0 on it not 2.0 :( |
| 15:24.39 | cncfanatics | I'd love the lib for FlexBar |
| 15:24.46 | cncfanatics | very efficient frame reusing :) |
| 15:24.48 | cladhaire | what do you mean 1.0 on it? |
| 15:25.20 | cncfanatics | local MAJOR_VERSION = "PerfectFramePool-1.0" |
| 15:25.25 | cncfanatics | ain't there a 2.0 somewhere ? |
| 15:25.28 | cladhaire | so? |
| 15:25.28 | cladhaire | no |
| 15:25.30 | cncfanatics | at least I heard about that |
| 15:25.32 | cladhaire | why does it matter? |
| 15:25.37 | cncfanatics | thought there was :p |
| 15:25.40 | cncfanatics | tnx cladhaire :) |
| 15:25.41 | cladhaire | dont even use it as anything.. just steal the code =) |
| 15:25.42 | cladhaire | np |
| 15:27.29 | KiphereCE | what does 'ace' make easier for people making UIs? |
| 15:27.51 | KiphereCE | still tryin to understand what it is exactly so I know whether or not I wanna fool with it |
| 15:28.42 | cladhaire | not much, really |
| 15:28.57 | cladhaire | it makes event registration a one line thing, instead of a 5 line thing for the first, and a one line thing afterwards |
| 15:29.06 | cladhaire | the db system is nice, but you dont need Ace for that |
| 15:29.24 | cladhaire | the most benefits right now are how active the community, but thats always a very bad thing |
| 15:29.50 | Tain | Bad community. |
| 15:30.35 | cladhaire | the like to poop on the rug imo |
| 15:31.46 | Tain | You mine as well not bother |
| 15:31.56 | zenzelezz | sounds like you might want to take them to the vet |
| 15:32.15 | Tain | They're too rabid for that, zenzelezz |
| 15:32.19 | cladhaire | indeed |
| 15:32.28 | cladhaire | a community behaviorist might be better off |
| 15:32.29 | zenzelezz | all right, behind the barn then =D |
| 15:32.35 | cladhaire | i think they do it because they have seperation anxiety |
| 15:32.41 | Tain | They might just need to be put down |
| 15:32.52 | zenzelezz | that's what I meant =) |
| 15:32.56 | Tain | Old Ace Yeller |
| 15:33.33 | zenzelezz | 3750 xp for a green quest o_O |
| 15:33.50 | alcaras_ | hrm, how long does it for a wowi file admin to update usually? |
| 15:33.58 | cncfanatics | about Ace, there are some parts of it I really like (AceOO mainly) |
| 15:34.03 | zenzelezz | they do it all the time when they're awake alcaras_ |
| 15:34.37 | alcaras_ | zenzelezz: figured they're still zzz |
| 15:34.39 | Tain | Damn people sleeping! |
| 15:34.53 | zenzelezz | Cairenn usually approves them almost before they're uploaded |
| 15:35.06 | cladhaire | alcaras_: I didn't see any in the queue.. lemme moderate it |
| 15:36.38 | KaoS` | World of Warcraft: The Burning Crusade Beta Test |
| 15:36.38 | KaoS` | Welcome to the beta test of World of Warcraft: The Burning Crusade! |
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| 15:37.28 | KaoS` | guess i was just invited to join the beta :P |
| 15:39.11 | cladhaire | lol |
| 15:39.26 | cladhaire | zomg grats |
| 15:40.06 | Garoun|Loupana | morning |
| 15:40.15 | KaoS` | wonder why I got invited of all people? |
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| 15:41.13 | KaoS` | We?re excited to have reached the beta-testing stage for the expansion, and we?d be grateful to have your assistance in finalizing the content. There are a lot of new things to see and do in Azeroth and Outland, and we look forward to receiving any feedback you can offer on your overall expansion-beta experience, including quests, spells/abilities, monsters, zones, aesthetics, and more. We would also appreciate reports on any bugs yo |
| 15:41.13 | KaoS` | u may find. |
| 15:44.08 | alcaras_ | thanks cladhaire |
| 15:44.13 | alcaras_ | it is aprooved now |
| 15:44.26 | alcaras_ | The first release in over 2 months... completely redone and re-engineered... http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5457-AlcUI.html |
| 15:44.32 | Hatsuki | they need it to be tested for lowest common nominator ;) |
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| 16:03.47 | KaoS` | can't create premades right now |
| 16:03.48 | KaoS` | that sucks |
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| 16:07.19 | cladhaire | haven't been able to create premades at any stage |
| 16:07.21 | cladhaire | alpha through now |
| 16:07.32 | cladhaire | otherwise no beta testing would happen =) |
| 16:08.38 | cladhaire | its much harder to get honor now |
| 16:08.45 | cladhaire | anything find a good way to optimize efficiency? |
| 16:08.53 | cladhaire | since i'm working on perfectraid, i need to be in a raid either way |
| 16:08.59 | cladhaire | so don't mnind soaking up honor either way |
| 16:09.40 | Tain | I heard perfectraid will never get updated again ever |
| 16:10.15 | cladhaire | no, i heard in a strike against the evil tyrant cladhaire, the ace development team is goign to fork perfectraid and call it PerfectACERaid |
| 16:10.30 | cladhaire | I |
| 16:10.43 | cladhaire | I'm sorry.. PerfectAceRaid-2.0LibEmbed |
| 16:10.48 | Tain | I'm going to make PerfecterRaid |
| 16:11.14 | Thunder_Child | part of the huge acer corperation i see |
| 16:11.25 | Tain | Actually I'm just going to sit here and play with my Wii. |
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| 16:15.16 | cladhaire | FlawlesslyPerfectBetterThanAllOtherRaidsRaid |
| 16:15.44 | Tain | Ah just make it PantyRaid |
| 16:16.19 | foxlit | ZomgItsARaid! |
| 16:16.37 | foxlit | Time to develop some sort of communication protocol all those addons can conform to |
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| 16:17.02 | zenzelezz | Raidsaurus |
| 16:17.20 | Malivil | Call it Cheese |
| 16:17.24 | Malivil | throw everyone off\ |
| 16:17.48 | Qshadowp | hmm, how do you get this snowman thing that people keep walking around wearing? :P |
| 16:22.14 | Amro | quest |
| 16:22.44 | Qshadowp | name of the quest? |
| 16:22.51 | Amro | dunno |
| 16:23.04 | Qshadowp | ~fail Amro |
| 16:23.05 | zenzelezz | ask the next snowman |
| 16:23.22 | Qshadowp | i did, he told me to buy 2.5k snowballs (yea...right) |
| 16:23.59 | Malivil | i dont remember, though i've done it twice |
| 16:25.25 | Amro | check in orgrimmar |
| 16:25.27 | Amro | or IF |
| 16:27.28 | Amro | it might be this one |
| 16:27.29 | Amro | http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=6963 |
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| 16:30.01 | Qshadowp | Amro thanks ;) |
| 16:30.11 | Amro | np |
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| 16:49.42 | Bouvi | Hiya |
| 16:50.29 | zenzelezz | heya |
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| 16:51.40 | Bouvi | I am having trouble getting hello_world to work. I see it in my addon list but when I type /hellow I get the Type /help blah blah blah. Here is the XML http://pastey.net/3650 and here is the LUA http://pastey.net/3651 Any ideas? |
| 16:52.32 | cogwheel | try typing /hello instead? |
| 16:53.07 | cogwheel | hmm... no |
| 16:53.22 | cogwheel | I don't see anything wrong, really... |
| 16:53.33 | zenzelezz | the .xml is in the .toc? |
| 16:53.39 | Bouvi | Yes |
| 16:54.18 | zenzelezz | hm... I'm not very good with slash commands :-/ |
| 16:54.38 | kremonte | add a DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage() in the initialize function, make sure it's being called |
| 16:54.43 | Bouvi | Here is the .toc http://pastey.net/3652 |
| 16:55.40 | zenzelezz | it shouldn't affect the addon I think, but you can just leave out the dependency/optional dependency lines if there are none |
| 16:55.46 | Bouvi | My first addon lol. Maybe it is a sign.... |
| 16:57.29 | Bouvi | I removed them and like you thought was a no go. But good to know I can leave that out. |
| 16:57.51 | Industrial | How do you get to Blackfathom Deeps? |
| 16:58.17 | kremonte | Bouvi: you try adding an AddMessage in the init? |
| 16:58.36 | cogwheel | Industrial: it's on the west end of ashenvale |
| 16:58.37 | zenzelezz | Industrial: you know where Zoram Strand is in Ashenvale? |
| 16:59.01 | Bouvi | What is an addmessage? I am brand new to this |
| 16:59.14 | cogwheel | Bouvi: look up |
| 16:59.29 | zenzelezz | DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("arf"); prints "arf" to the default chat frame |
| 16:59.34 | cogwheel | (right before you linked the toc) |
| 16:59.45 | zenzelezz | Bouvi: try moving the hello_world_command function above the initialize one |
| 16:59.50 | Bouvi | I think this is supposed to make a window but I will look. OK |
| 17:00.00 | cogwheel | zenzelezz: that shouldn't matter |
| 17:00.08 | zenzelezz | a frame is invisible until you tell it how it should look |
| 17:00.26 | Industrial | oh noes |
| 17:00.29 | cogwheel | no it's not supposed to make a window. the frame is only there to respond to the events |
| 17:00.33 | Industrial | its the one with the sea serpent things? |
| 17:00.37 | Industrial | I hate those mobs :| |
| 17:00.44 | cogwheel | yeah |
| 17:00.53 | zenzelezz | cogwheel: could be, I was just going by what I read on http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Create_a_Slash_Command |
| 17:01.47 | cogwheel | it would only matter if hello_world_initialize ran before hello_world_command was defined |
| 17:01.51 | cogwheel | but it doesn't |
| 17:02.32 | Bouvi | Where at in the init function? |
| 17:02.36 | cogwheel | anywhere |
| 17:03.03 | Bouvi | I put DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage() in right uner the --add our very first chat command in the .lua is this right? |
| 17:03.29 | cogwheel | that should work |
| 17:03.34 | zenzelezz | :AddMessage("liek hay") |
| 17:03.35 | cogwheel | but you'll want to put a message in there |
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| 17:04.33 | cogwheel | Bouvi: is the name of the folder the same as the name of the .toc file? |
| 17:05.32 | Bouvi | Yes and nothing happened when I reloaded the UI |
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| 17:06.01 | zenzelezz | nothing in the chat frame? |
| 17:06.14 | rilliam | is auctioneer alpha working |
| 17:06.17 | cogwheel | Bouvi: did you exit the game completely after you made those files |
| 17:06.24 | cogwheel | rilliam: #norganna |
| 17:06.31 | cogwheel | and http://auctioneeraddon.com |
| 17:06.41 | Bouvi | Yes |
| 17:06.54 | Bouvi | But going to again for good measure |
| 17:07.26 | KiphereCE | if a frame isnt registered to recieve mouse input can you select things behind it with the mouse like targeting and looting? |
| 17:08.05 | cogwheel | KiphereCE: I think so... |
| 17:08.07 | zenzelezz | think so |
| 17:08.22 | KiphereCE | hrm, guess I'll just make a dummy mod and test it. |
| 17:08.36 | KiphereCE | I don't even need lua for just adding a graphic do I? |
| 17:08.48 | cogwheel | Bouvi: FYI: I copied your code exactly from your pastey and it worked fine... |
| 17:08.48 | KiphereCE | I should be able to make a frame, load a texture to it and anchor it all in xml |
| 17:09.01 | bleetah | for various definitions of 'working', sure! :-) |
| 17:09.01 | Bouvi | OK then I wonder why it is not working here O.o |
| 17:09.17 | KiphereCE | reset your chat boxes to default |
| 17:09.18 | cogwheel | you either didn't name your files properly or you didn't name your folder properly |
| 17:09.35 | cogwheel | (or both) |
| 17:09.38 | KiphereCE | if you're having problems printing things to chat, mine was freaking out too because I'd filtered something at some point apparently. |
| 17:09.38 | Bouvi | Everything is named hello_world all lowercase |
| 17:09.54 | cogwheel | KiphereCE: the addon is supposed to pop up a message box |
| 17:10.01 | KiphereCE | ohhh, that thing. |
| 17:10.17 | KiphereCE | thought you were tryin to print to default chat. |
| 17:10.33 | cogwheel | and you have it enabled in the Addons screen? |
| 17:10.45 | zenzelezz | KiphereCE: that's just so we could see if the addon is loading |
| 17:10.45 | KiphereCE | you shouldnt need DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME anything for a seperate window with a message in it... |
| 17:10.51 | KiphereCE | ok, I'm a tard. |
| 17:10.57 | KiphereCE | thats what i get for jumping into the middle of a convo |
| 17:10.58 | cogwheel | KiphereCE: it's for debugging |
| 17:11.15 | Bouvi | I renamed it all just in case. |
| 17:11.24 | Bouvi | Quit wow and restarting now |
| 17:11.40 | KiphereCE | I also had issues with my files being hello_world.toc.txt |
| 17:11.42 | KiphereCE | :P |
| 17:11.52 | cogwheel | that would do it |
| 17:11.53 | Bouvi | Disabled all my other addons just in case of conflict. |
| 17:11.54 | KiphereCE | cause I wasnt displaying file extensions |
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| 17:12.04 | cogwheel | windows default settings 4tl |
| 17:12.15 | KiphereCE | Bouvi, get a properties on the files, make sure they're not showing up as .txt files still. |
| 17:12.35 | cogwheel | (windows 4tl, actually...) |
| 17:12.38 | KiphereCE | heh |
| 17:12.47 | KiphereCE | Is there a "Lua for idiots" book out there? :p |
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| 17:12.57 | cogwheel | http://www.lua.org/pil is the best you'll get |
| 17:13.05 | KiphereCE | I need to learn how to program first then try to do it in WoW |
| 17:13.08 | Bouvi | All is right except it is not working. Crap got to run. Wife is finally ready to head over to parents for family party. Be back later. |
| 17:13.14 | KiphereCE | learning on mods is a pain in the ass. |
| 17:13.32 | Bouvi | Thanks for the help guys. I will have to work on it later. |
| 17:13.40 | cogwheel | KiphereCE: and not the best idea, either :P |
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| 17:14.04 | cogwheel | there are lots of idiosyncrasies that can bite you in the ass if you don't know what you're doing :P |
| 17:15.46 | KiphereCE | is PiL like a learning manual or just a book? |
| 17:15.55 | KiphereCE | like, does it assume you know general programming already? |
| 17:16.28 | cogwheel | to some extent, yes |
| 17:16.49 | cogwheel | it doesn't go into great depth on basic control structures (like for, if, etc...) |
| 17:17.17 | cogwheel | But it's definitely more of a book than the manual |
| 17:18.51 | KiphereCE | well, some basics are kinda obvious |
| 17:19.25 | KiphereCE | but like strings and tables confuse me a bit, things like split strings and junk just lose me entirely, and a lot of syntax stuff (basics) still elude me |
| 17:19.40 | bleetah | i jus wanna say *hic* i lurve yous all :-D *hic* |
| 17:19.46 | cogwheel | KiphereCE: follow my link then |
| 17:19.48 | cogwheel | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:20.10 | cogwheel | bleetah: you're not getting my Nog' Light |
| 17:20.34 | bleetah | cogwheel: awwwwww, spit :-p |
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| 17:23.15 | KiphereCE | some one needs to write a book on Lua for WoW :p |
| 17:23.20 | KiphereCE | I'd buy it ;) |
| 17:23.25 | cogwheel | someone is |
| 17:23.49 | KiphereCE | some one needs to write one... faster ;) |
| 17:24.02 | cogwheel | :) |
| 17:24.59 | KiphereCE | Would messing with the UI Designer thing you can download make any of this easier on me or just more complicated? I was poking aroudn on it before the patch but wasn't sure if it would function after the patch so I havn't touched it |
| 17:25.29 | KiphereCE | if I remember you still had to write the lua, the wysiwyg was just for the xml portions |
| 17:26.26 | foxlit | http://www.lua-users.org |
| 17:26.48 | cogwheel | I'd recommend against it. It's great for RAD, but you should have a firm understanding of the underlying concepts first |
| 17:26.57 | cogwheel | in case you need to tweak anything |
| 17:27.03 | |FF|Im2good4u | does any1 know why i cant see any ctra frames anymore ? not just tank frames but laso no player frames :( |
| 17:27.08 | cogwheel | (plus, the current version doesn't quite work properly for wow 2.0) |
| 17:27.29 | cogwheel | |FF|Im2good4u: you might have some other addon that's tainting things... |
| 17:27.38 | cogwheel | have you tried only enabling CTRA? |
| 17:28.59 | KiphereCE | are you kiddin me, fireworks doesnt save in .tga? >< |
| 17:29.08 | cogwheel | FYI: http://www.amazon.com/Hacking-World-Warcraft-ExtremeTech-Gilbert/dp/0470110023/sr=1-9/qid=1166290122/ref=sr_1_9/105-3838699-1996446?ie=UTF8&s=books |
| 17:29.16 | cogwheel | won't be out till next year though |
| 17:30.32 | KiphereCE | why does everythign I try to do backfire somehow lately? |
| 17:30.38 | KiphereCE | >< |
| 17:33.48 | foxlit | meh, wrong hacking |
| 17:34.31 | foxlit | Bet they were going for that effect too |
| 17:35.50 | KiphereCE | does tga not support transparency? |
| 17:38.01 | bleetah | cogwheel: any idea if that book will be worth it? *hic* |
| 17:38.06 | foxlit | Not the original format |
| 17:38.20 | cogwheel | cladhaire: you want to answer that one? |
| 17:38.21 | cogwheel | :) |
| 17:38.25 | bleetah | yeah, i don't recall original format saving transparency |
| 17:38.32 | KiphereCE | so is it not possible to create a solid file with a transparent portion? |
| 17:38.44 | Fisker | hohoho cogwheel |
| 17:38.44 | cladhaire | bleetah: Its more for the users who aren't developers. |
| 17:38.45 | bleetah | oh, it's cladhaire's? book? |
| 17:38.49 | cladhaire | bleetah: But the macro chapter will help everyone |
| 17:38.55 | cladhaire | bleetah: Nah, i'm just tehcnical editor, and wrote two chapters |
| 17:39.11 | bleetah | nice to see the real usage of the work 'hacking' alive and well :-D |
| 17:39.20 | Fisker | almost retarded marketing for that book |
| 17:39.23 | bleetah | <always afraid to say in here 'back to hacking' ;-) *hic* |
| 17:40.10 | foxlit | There's just one problem |
| 17:40.18 | bleetah | hmm, will be good to suggest to a couple of the guildiues, by the looks of things *hic* |
| 17:40.19 | foxlit | People who know that meaning of hacking don't need that book |
| 17:40.38 | KiphereCE | does the book cover how to write mods? :P |
| 17:40.47 | bleetah | people who don't know the meaning, do need it? hehe *hic* |
| 17:40.48 | bleetah | ttfn |
| 17:41.20 | KiphereCE | I just want a good starting point for learning hwo to do this, I've apparently taken the wrong path so far :p |
| 17:41.35 | KiphereCE | gonna read that PiL thing and see if it helps. |
| 17:42.00 | bleetah | trying to get hold of PiL in this butthole of a town before Christmas.. /sigh |
| 17:42.15 | kremonte | ...PiL? |
| 17:42.21 | KiphereCE | Programming in Lua. |
| 17:42.24 | kremonte | ohh |
| 17:42.25 | KiphereCE | book people keep linking in here. |
| 17:42.26 | kremonte | the lua guide |
| 17:42.40 | foxlit | bleetah: nope, but they'll think they're buying the manual to h4xxoring free epicz! |
| 17:42.52 | bleetah | *lua bible |
| 17:43.39 | KiphereCE | can I program something in lua to reach trhough vent and bitchslap my idiot friends? |
| 17:43.48 | KiphereCE | if so I'd like to commision some one to do that real fast. |
| 17:43.58 | KiphereCE | pretty please... |
| 17:44.18 | Industrial | no. |
| 17:44.27 | KiphereCE | ;_; |
| 17:44.39 | cladhaire | KiphereCE: it makes two addons, both reasonably complex |
| 17:44.48 | cladhaire | KiphereCE: But that's not the focus of the book, actually |
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| 17:45.08 | KiphereCE | the way I learn things usually is by example. |
| 17:45.12 | Industrial | I just went to the supermarket and there was this chick... man she was so cute :o! |
| 17:45.23 | KiphereCE | if some one were to show me how to do something then explain why what I just did works. |
| 17:45.27 | Industrial | so i was like hi and she was like hi |
| 17:45.40 | Industrial | but then i had to get on shopping :< |
| 17:46.41 | KiphereCE | I'm real big on knowing 'why' things work, not just that they do. |
| 17:48.19 | foxlit | programming might be a bad thing to get into |
| 17:49.03 | cladhaire | KiphereCE: Well it'd have two examples.. haveyou looked at the blizzard example? |
| 17:49.46 | KiphereCE | yeah but my issue is they don't really explain what some things do and my lack of experience with coding in general makes some things they expect you to know a hurdle. |
| 17:50.30 | foxlit | strike my last comment. |
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| 17:50.36 | KiphereCE | If I have a mod I wrote, I should be able to read each line one at a time and tell you what it does and why its there. |
| 17:50.43 | foxlit | I'm not reading inversions properly, apparently. |
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| 17:51.10 | KiphereCE | right now I cant for my button mod :P |
| 17:51.42 | KiphereCE | there's one line that involves gsub which is apparently a really useful thing and i have no idea how it works, but I made it do what I want after seeing it in action |
| 17:51.51 | KiphereCE | not knowing why it works annoys the piss outa me though. |
| 17:52.36 | KiphereCE | I know what i'm doing, I'm guilty of it when I try to get into anything. I'm throwing walls and roofs up with no foundation :p |
| 17:56.30 | kremonte | a warrior named Caireen in darkshore o_O |
| 17:56.43 | KiphereCE | keel it? |
| 17:56.48 | kremonte | sapping it |
| 17:56.49 | KiphereCE | >_> |
| 17:57.09 | KiphereCE | I have some silly christmas party in dallas in a fwe hours >< |
| 18:01.56 | thr | Anyone got any nice unit frames that are 100% functional atm? |
| 18:02.16 | foxlit | PlayerFrame.xml? |
| 18:02.19 | KiphereCE | heh |
| 18:02.31 | foxlit | Though I suppose that depends on how you define nice :) |
| 18:02.39 | KiphereCE | I've never really considered anything in the default ui as '100% functional' |
| 18:03.24 | thr | well |
| 18:03.28 | foxlit | They work. |
| 18:03.29 | thr | ag_unitframes were nice pre-2.0 |
| 18:03.38 | foxlit | I think it classifies them as "100% functional" |
| 18:03.56 | thr | but now they seem, twitchy and buggy. And my favorite feature of it seems to be removed ;( |
| 18:04.19 | foxlit | what was your favorite feature? |
| 18:04.25 | KiphereCE | a lot of favorite features are gone ;) |
| 18:04.29 | KiphereCE | purl, dance |
| 18:04.30 | purl | ACTION tries to breakdance, but runs into Srosh and knocks him flat! |
| 18:04.44 | thr | the ability to order players by class in a group. |
| 18:04.47 | Srosh | ouch |
| 18:04.49 | thr | So that you got all paladins first, then alla priests, etc. |
| 18:05.00 | thr | I know you can FILTER them on class, but not "ORDER BY" :) |
| 18:05.26 | KiphereCE | purl broke srosh =\ |
| 18:08.24 | KiphereCE | anyone know what the new pie buttons look like? are they round buttons or just square buttons in a circular layout? |
| 18:08.24 | foxlit | I wonder why the trainerframes are implemented API-side rather than clientside |
| 18:09.19 | foxlit | Collapse/ExpandTradeskillHeader are just silly |
| 18:15.03 | KiphereCE | you know what I need is a programming mentor :p |
| 18:15.18 | KiphereCE | I could apprentice and as payment do bitch work for the mentor! :P |
| 18:16.08 | cogwheel|away | KiphereCE: i've heard good things about http://pine.fm/LearnToProgram/ |
| 18:17.50 | KiphereCE | sounds promising. |
| 18:17.58 | KiphereCE | I'm a few pages into PiL now. |
| 18:18.38 | KiphereCE | ahh, its ruby specific too it seems. |
| 18:18.45 | KiphereCE | which is good, cause thats the next thing on my list of shit to know. |
| 18:19.07 | |FF|Im2good4u | cogwheel|away thanks for oyur help but i hardly have any addons after the patch :P |
| 18:19.51 | |FF|Im2good4u | ah i found it i didnt have the goups checked :x |
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| 18:22.21 | ckknight | hey all |
| 18:24.27 | KiphereCE | HI |
| 18:24.48 | KiphereCE | purl, greet ckknight |
| 18:24.50 | purl | ACTION dumps a bucket of cold oatmeal on ckknight |
| 18:25.03 | ckknight | ... |
| 18:25.13 | KiphereCE | she's still adjusting. |
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| 18:26.25 | KiphereCE | true statement?: most programming languages have the same basic core concepts |
| 18:26.45 | Sylphid | ] |
| 18:27.05 | KiphereCE | if you'd said 1 or 0 I'd understand. |
| 18:27.17 | KiphereCE | should ] mean something to me? :P |
| 18:27.31 | nevcairiel | there are some core concepts, and every language basicly builds up on one |
| 18:27.36 | Sylphid | no sry had a keyboad on top of my laptop |
| 18:27.44 | Sylphid | slipped a bit |
| 18:28.05 | KiphereCE | the reason I ask is if I learn one language, like ruby, it should teach me some groundwork that'll make moving into lua or other languages easier right? |
| 18:28.28 | KiphereCE | cause there are nice guides/learning materials out there for other languages that don't really exist for Lua. |
| 18:29.04 | Cide | you'll likely have a harder time learning another language though |
| 18:29.08 | Cide | lua is very easy to learn |
| 18:30.49 | KiphereCE | well, this tutorial Cog linked me uses Ruby. |
| 18:31.23 | Sylphid | can anyone tell me if there is a way to view memory usage per addon |
| 18:31.27 | Cide | well, if it teaches the concepts of programming through ruby, then that shouldn't matter |
| 18:31.40 | Cide | Sylphid: the addon WarmUp can do it at reload/login |
| 18:31.42 | Cide | after that, you can't |
| 18:31.44 | KiphereCE | my only major problem right now is most documentation I found on Lua assumes you already know how to program (takes some basic knowledge for granted) and i don't. |
| 18:32.20 | Eggi | c is also not so bad to start with |
| 18:33.28 | KiphereCE | Because of my lack of knowledge here, I'm just tryin to make sure if I go learning another language it wont be mostly wasted effort. THe onyl reason I'd go to another language is for more concise learning materials hoping what i learn will translate at least half way to lua so I can get more into it. |
| 18:33.29 | foxlit | c is awful for producing actually useful results |
| 18:33.55 | foxlit | and you'd have to deal with io, something that isn't quite relevant to wow |
| 18:34.00 | KiphereCE | I just need to build a foundation, I don't know the basics and jumping in the middle is harder than I expected. |
| 18:34.28 | KiphereCE | if there was a good beginner programmers guide that used lua as it's examples I'd be set :p |
| 18:35.10 | KiphereCE | back to the PiL, if its over my head I'll just go through this Ruby beginners guide and hopefully glean some info from it |
| 18:35.36 | Eggi | for learning how loops and such things work... you dont have to deal with anything more then printf |
| 18:37.31 | KiphereCE | to give you an example of how little I know, I don't even know what you just said or how it applies to my learning :p |
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| 18:49.17 | KiphereCE | >_> |
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| 18:50.07 | KiphereCE | purl, what's going on? |
| 18:50.09 | purl | I dunno, but I'm scared. |
| 18:50.15 | KiphereCE | me too purl, me too. |
| 18:53.18 | KiphereCE | -_- |
| 18:54.34 | Qshadowp | .-. |
| 18:54.58 | Qshadowp | ~purl love |
| 18:55.00 | purl | If you love <insert item> so much, why don't you marry it |
| 18:55.04 | Qshadowp | lol |
| 18:55.14 | Mikma | haha |
| 18:55.25 | Inside | ~emulate purl |
| 18:55.26 | purl | ACTION tries to look like herself. |
| 18:55.29 | Inside | herself? |
| 18:55.30 | Inside | >_> |
| 18:55.32 | Inside | oh lawd. |
| 18:55.35 | Inside | ~emulate inside |
| 18:55.37 | purl | I'm all about getting personal and grope-y |
| 18:55.37 | Qshadowp | :P |
| 18:56.09 | Qshadowp | ~lart Inside |
| 18:56.13 | Qshadowp | :D |
| 19:01.00 | KiphereCE | purl, emulate zenzelezz |
| 19:01.01 | purl | OMG STOP TALKIN TO TEH BOT! |
| 19:01.02 | Qshadowp | purl, emulate purl |
| 19:01.03 | purl | ACTION tries to look like herself. |
| 19:01.03 | Qshadowp | purl died :( |
| 19:01.13 | KiphereCE | rofl |
| 19:01.16 | Qshadowp | LOL |
| 19:01.20 | zenzelezz | don't think anyone's bothered giving me an emulate factoid |
| 19:01.28 | KiphereCE | oh? |
| 19:01.33 | KiphereCE | ~emulate zenzelezz |
| 19:01.34 | purl | OMG STOP TALKIN TO TEH BOT! |
| 19:01.36 | zenzelezz | I don't say much fun |
| 19:01.41 | KiphereCE | I think they did. |
| 19:02.01 | zenzelezz | oh right, I thought that was someone talking through the bot, due to the * purl tries to look like herself. |
| 19:02.19 | KiphereCE | no, it queued up slow apparently. |
| 19:02.27 | KiphereCE | cause I did emulate you, and then q did emulate purl |
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| 19:03.12 | Qshadowp | :) |
| 19:03.17 | Qshadowp | purl, emulate qshadowp |
| 19:03.18 | purl | ~lart Osagasu |
| 19:03.22 | Qshadowp | :D |
| 19:03.23 | KiphereCE | someone isnt having much luck with irc. |
| 19:06.55 | Inside | XD |
| 19:06.56 | Inside | hey ckknight_ |
| 19:07.04 | Inside | http://bash.org/?715285 |
| 19:07.33 | Qshadowp | xD |
| 19:09.49 | KiphereCE | I lov ebash |
| 19:10.37 | Qshadowp | me too |
| 19:10.38 | Qshadowp | with the items you buy with honor, can you sell them back again? |
| 19:11.01 | foxlit | Of all things, why pick one rated <100? |
| 19:11.28 | Qshadowp | im going for GM |
| 19:11.45 | Qshadowp | but i plan to sell it at tbc when i find a better weapon |
| 19:11.53 | Qshadowp | if you can sell honor items? |
| 19:11.55 | foxlit | http://bash.org/?10958 |
| 19:13.57 | foxlit | Probably not for honor; gold transactions wouldn't make a lot of sense |
| 19:13.58 | KiphereCE | I've no idea q |
| 19:14.24 | KiphereCE | I'm pretty sure you can DE them though :p |
| 19:14.27 | Qshadowp | my guild said no :( |
| 19:14.30 | Qshadowp | im not a enchanter :P |
| 19:14.38 | KiphereCE | welcome to the creek. |
| 19:14.56 | Qshadowp | is it true the level 70 pvp gear will be from the arena only? :P |
| 19:15.00 | KiphereCE | no |
| 19:15.05 | KiphereCE | There will eb gear frmo both systems. |
| 19:15.15 | KiphereCE | Theres lvl 70 'hwl' style gear already |
| 19:15.26 | Qshadowp | ah ok :p |
| 19:15.28 | KiphereCE | so far just looks like the 60 stuff with its level and appropriate state allotments increased as well as some slots |
| 19:15.39 | KiphereCE | and then theres the arena gear, which right now is a little underwhelming |
| 19:15.47 | KiphereCE | the weapons are tight though |
| 19:16.44 | Qshadowp | :P |
| 19:17.04 | KiphereCE | are there any advantages for lua or xml when it comes to frame generation? |
| 19:17.10 | KiphereCE | like say I'm doing something simple, a single button. |
| 19:17.26 | KiphereCE | does building it in xml buy me anything over building it with CreateFrame in lua or vice versa? |
| 19:18.50 | Inside | um |
| 19:18.53 | Inside | xml-e-peen |
| 19:19.03 | Inside | redeamable at your nearest xml-loving girl |
| 19:19.09 | Inside | e-G.I.R.L. |
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| 19:21.34 | KiphereCE | ok, xml question then ;) |
| 19:22.07 | KiphereCE | if I do <anchor point="LEFT"> for a frame, it centers teh frame and hooks it to the left side of the screen |
| 19:22.41 | KiphereCE | if I do <anchor point="LEFT" relativePoint="LEFT"> is does basically the same thing yes? |
| 19:22.54 | Inside | T_T |
| 19:22.55 | Inside | I dunno |
| 19:23.50 | KiphereCE | and if I did <anchor point="RIGHT" relativePoint="LEFT"> it would technically be off the screen because the right side of my frame would be anchored to the left side of the UIParent which would shove it off the side of the visable screen. |
| 19:23.52 | KiphereCE | >_> |
| 19:24.30 | KiphereCE | I'm assuming anchorpoints match the frame to the parent frame if you don't assign a relative point. |
| 19:24.31 | foxlit | No, it's not |
| 19:24.39 | Inside | aiya aiya. |
| 19:24.44 | KiphereCE | ok, then I'm misunderstanding |
| 19:24.44 | Neuro | I thought it defaulted to center, personally |
| 19:24.46 | foxlit | <anchor point="LEFT"> is equivalent to <anchor point="LEFT" relativePoint="TOPLEFT"> |
| 19:24.55 | foxlit | or maybe CENTER |
| 19:24.59 | KiphereCE | ;_; |
| 19:25.20 | KiphereCE | tryin to get some clarity, I'm reading the xml ui thing on wiki |
| 19:26.06 | foxlit | default relativeTo is indeed topleft |
| 19:26.40 | KiphereCE | frmo what I'm reading it looks like if you only define anchor point, then it matches anchor point for the frame to the same definition of the parent frame. so <anchor point=center> would put a frames center on its parents center and <anchor point=right> would put the frames right on its parents right |
| 19:26.52 | KiphereCE | so what you're sayin is if I don't define relative point it always goes topleft? |
| 19:27.09 | Neuro | relativePoint |
| 19:27.09 | Neuro | The relative point to attach obj to (see API Positions) (i.e. bind your frame to the left side of the parent) |
| 19:27.09 | Neuro | Defaults to the value of point when not specified. |
| 19:27.15 | Neuro | but that's not for the xml |
| 19:27.19 | Neuro | that's for setpoint |
| 19:27.39 | KiphereCE | I'm specifically talking about the xml at this point (kek, pun) |
| 19:27.43 | foxlit | What I'ma ctually saying is that obj:SetPoint("TOPLEFT", obj:GetParent()) is equivalent to obj:SetPoint("TOPLEFT", obj:GetParent(), "TOPLEFT", 0,0); |
| 19:28.16 | KiphereCE | you're talkin lua and setpoint, I'm talking xml and frame anchors, are they equal to one another? |
| 19:28.28 | Neuro | why not test it out? |
| 19:28.29 | Qshadowp | buy a GM Weapon or wait for tbc. |
| 19:28.42 | foxlit | Yes. |
| 19:28.44 | Neuro | mise well buy one |
| 19:28.44 | KiphereCE | Q, its just honor and tokens, neitehr of which are hard to get. just buy it :P |
| 19:28.46 | foxlit | I assume they are, really |
| 19:28.54 | Qshadowp | ok :P |
| 19:29.15 | foxlit | Actually, more testing shows that obj:SetPoint("ANCHOR", obj:GetParent()); is equivalent to obj:SetPoint("ANCHOR", obj:GetParent(), "ANCHOR", 0, 0); |
| 19:34.27 | KiphereCE | ok, now I'm right confused. |
| 19:34.35 | KiphereCE | I just edited my little 'hello world' thingy |
| 19:34.43 | KiphereCE | adding absdimension and anchor points to it didnt do shit. |
| 19:34.49 | KiphereCE | nothing at all, no change, nada :p |
| 19:36.11 | KiphereCE | actualy, I have to say about the WoW hellow world tutorial, I never understood how creating just a random 'frame' make a window of a certain dimension with a button. |
| 19:41.02 | KiphereCE | oh hey, duh! |
| 19:41.24 | KiphereCE | the frames invisible, the function "message" is just creating a default appearance of whatever message in the middle of my screen. |
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| 19:47.56 | amro | where's this hello world thing you're talking about? |
| 19:50.07 | Tuller | message('hello world') |
| 19:50.52 | KiphereCE | ok |
| 19:51.18 | KiphereCE | in xml the anchor point does in fact match the point of the frame to the same point on its parent unless otherwise told. |
| 19:51.34 | KiphereCE | if I do <anchor point="left"> it puts my frame ont he left, matching left of my frame to left of the parent. |
| 19:51.44 | KiphereCE | center does center, top left, to top left, so on and so forth. |
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| 19:53.48 | KiphereCE | so I did read it properly ;p you little scamps were just tryin to confuse me. |
| 19:54.39 | KiphereCE | Amro: the hello world thing is the little tutorial that comes with the blizzard UI package dealy. |
| 19:54.52 | KiphereCE | it gets you to create a generic 'hello world' frame and a print message. |
| 19:55.02 | amro | oh |
| 19:55.08 | KiphereCE | I was assuming that i created the visible frame with xml in that tutorial. |
| 19:55.10 | amro | I suggest you learn from simple addons |
| 19:55.13 | KiphereCE | which lead to a lot of confusion. |
| 19:55.33 | amro | and for Lua, I strongly recommend reading PIL |
| 19:55.52 | KiphereCE | apparently my 'frame' was invisible, and when I called the function message('hello world') from my lua it actualy created a message box which I didnt realize was somethign it could do by default. |
| 19:56.22 | KiphereCE | I'm doing a combination of all of that atm :p |
| 19:56.25 | amro | if i remember, message just calls some function to display the error frame with a string |
| 19:56.31 | KiphereCE | yeah |
| 19:56.34 | KiphereCE | I didn't nkow that. |
| 19:56.46 | KiphereCE | I thought the error frame was what I was making with my xml. |
| 19:57.02 | KiphereCE | and it didnt make sense to me because there was no template and I never defined textures, the button, borders, nothin |
| 19:57.36 | KiphereCE | if you havn't been following along, I'm a little slow and this is my first coding 'ever' outside of html and some real light scripting for flash. |
| 19:57.47 | KiphereCE | ~emulate kipherece |
| 19:57.51 | purl | ACTION asks Cogwheel lots of annoying questions. |
| 19:57.55 | KiphereCE | see. |
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| 19:58.32 | amro | lol |
| 19:58.35 | VoidRaider|afk | Hello |
| 19:58.35 | foxlit | SecureUnitButton or SecureUnitButtonTemplate? |
| 19:58.47 | amro | hello voidraider |
| 20:00.39 | KiphereCE | for? |
| 20:00.41 | KiphereCE | :p |
| 20:01.01 | Qshadowp | ~poke purl |
| 20:01.02 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind purl, pokes purl repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
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| 20:03.26 | KiphereCE | emulate qshadowp |
| 20:03.34 | Qshadowp | purl, emulate qshadowp |
| 20:03.35 | purl | ~poke purl |
| 20:03.40 | Qshadowp | :D |
| 20:03.43 | KiphereCE | lol |
| 20:03.58 | Qshadowp | purl, i love you |
| 20:04.00 | purl | You love you? |
| 20:04.21 | KiphereCE | rofl, shot down by a bot. |
| 20:04.29 | Qshadowp | lol :b |
| 20:04.30 | KiphereCE | back to my xml, this is a lil... well, depressing and I'm no good at comforting people. |
| 20:04.37 | KiphereCE | :þ |
| 20:08.13 | KiphereCE | I've gotta go to some silly party thing in an hour |
| 20:08.19 | KiphereCE | wife's work. |
| 20:08.33 | KiphereCE | its at dave and busters but its not gonna be video games, its some bullshit mystery murder thing |
| 20:08.44 | sysrage | maybe her hot co-worker will get plastered and you'll bring her home for a 3-some |
| 20:10.11 | KiphereCE | we dont' sleep with co-workers. |
| 20:10.14 | KiphereCE | its caused problems in the past. |
| 20:10.17 | KiphereCE | :p |
| 20:12.29 | KiphereCE | yay |
| 20:12.50 | KiphereCE | I managed to replicate the loot frame xml stuff and strip the text and I know how it worked and why :p |
| 20:12.52 | KiphereCE | progress~ |
| 20:13.13 | KiphereCE | xml is a lot like html, which may seem like a stupid revelation but for some reason I thought it was a lot different. |
| 20:13.35 | Industrial | html is an xml application |
| 20:13.38 | Industrial | at least, xhtml |
| 20:13.54 | Industrial | xml is derived from sgml (I think) |
| 20:14.12 | KiphereCE | I'm talkin flat html :P |
| 20:14.26 | KiphereCE | I've built many webpages and never touched xml unless it was in the background and I was totally unaware. |
| 20:14.54 | KiphereCE | I did some stylesheet crap that involved xml but it was in a WYSIWYG environment like frontpage so I didnt manipulate any of the text at all |
| 20:15.57 | KiphereCE | back to reading :p |
| 20:21.14 | foxlit | So I'm looking at |
| 20:21.15 | foxlit | local showmenu = function() |
| 20:21.15 | foxlit | ToggleDropDownMenu(1, nil, PlayerFrameDropDown, "PlayerFrame", 106, 27); |
| 20:21.15 | foxlit | end |
| 20:21.15 | foxlit | SecureUnitButton_OnLoad(this, "player", showmenu); |
| 20:21.26 | foxlit | (FrameXML/PlayerFrame.lua) |
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| 20:22.02 | foxlit | And that is somehow supposed to open the Player menu on click? |
| 20:23.54 | amro | I'd read what SecureUnitButton_OnLoad(this, "player", showmenu); does |
| 20:25.20 | foxlit | self.menu = menufunc; evil! |
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| 20:28.53 | KiphereCE | hey foxlit :p |
| 20:29.04 | KiphereCE | I was right about the anchor points in xml :P (rare) |
| 20:29.18 | foxlit | I know |
| 20:29.32 | foxlit | It's the same through :SetPoint by the way |
| 20:29.32 | KiphereCE | there is no defined default 'parent' point. does that make it different than if I were creating the frame in lua? |
| 20:29.53 | foxlit | hence [20:29] <foxlit> Actually, more testing shows that obj:SetPoint("ANCHOR", obj:GetParent()); is equivalent to obj:SetPoint("ANCHOR", obj:GetParent(), "ANCHOR", 0, 0); |
| 20:30.19 | KiphereCE | ahh |
| 20:30.25 | KiphereCE | didnt understand that the first time I read it, sorry. |
| 20:30.37 | KiphereCE | the xml is making way more sense to me than the lua. |
| 20:30.50 | foxlit | SetPoint is equivalent to making an <Anchor> |
| 20:31.02 | KiphereCE | I've already created a few different looking frames and different sizes/dimensions and locations now. |
| 20:31.14 | foxlit | The first statement there is <Anchor point="ANCHOR" relativeTo="$parent" /> on object |
| 20:31.50 | foxlit | The second is <Anchor point="ANCHOR" relativeTo="$parent" relativePoint="ANCHOR"><Offset><AbsDimension x="0" y="0"/></Offset></Anchor> |
| 20:32.57 | KiphereCE | that would give the same effect in xml as <anchor point ="ANCHOR> though right? |
| 20:33.01 | KiphereCE | with no extra arguements. |
| 20:34.22 | foxlit | Yes |
| 20:38.14 | KiphereCE | thats \o/ a prom date? |
| 20:38.19 | KiphereCE | s/thats/whats |
| 20:38.23 | KiphereCE | s/thats/whats/ |
| 20:38.28 | KiphereCE | rofl silly purl |
| 20:38.30 | Qshadowp | lol |
| 20:38.52 | Qshadowp | this is a test |
| 20:38.57 | Qshadowp | s/this/that |
| 20:39.04 | Qshadowp | this is a test |
| 20:39.06 | Qshadowp | s/this/that/ |
| 20:39.12 | Qshadowp | cool :D |
| 20:39.15 | Inside | I don't have a penis! |
| 20:39.17 | KiphereCE | yeah I always forget the trailing slash |
| 20:39.20 | Inside | s/don't/ |
| 20:39.26 | Inside | s/don't/ / |
| 20:39.31 | KiphereCE | rofl |
| 20:39.33 | Inside | yargh. |
| 20:39.34 | Qshadowp | lol |
| 20:39.43 | foxlit | purl, you're being abused |
| 20:40.06 | Qshadowp | ~lart foxlit |
| 20:40.21 | Inside | o_o |
| 20:40.21 | KiphereCE | purl, you're being abused |
| 20:40.23 | purl | ACTION likes it! |
| 20:40.29 | Qshadowp | xD |
| 20:40.31 | KiphereCE | werd |
| 20:40.34 | Inside | eks dee |
| 20:40.49 | KiphereCE | thast not really abuse. |
| 20:41.00 | KiphereCE | abuse is making purl say silly things... like. |
| 20:41.04 | KiphereCE | ~piglatin Gold |
| 20:42.21 | Qshadowp | ~poke purl |
| 20:42.22 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind purl, pokes purl repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 20:42.26 | Qshadowp | \o/ |
| 20:42.34 | KiphereCE | no really, wtf is that? |
| 20:42.44 | Qshadowp | its a person cheering :D |
| 20:42.46 | KiphereCE | oh |
| 20:42.46 | Inside | that is a person with their hands about their heading "FUCK WIN" |
| 20:42.57 | Inside | \o/ < "FUCK WIN!" |
| 20:43.10 | Gnarfoz | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:43.13 | Gnarfoz | raving ^^ |
| 20:43.21 | [Liquidor] | 2 questions: datediff in lua? -- Possible to use the default popup-box for questions and alerts? |
| 20:43.35 | KiphereCE | Q_\\ |
| 20:43.37 | Gnarfoz | http://nrrd.de/ch00n/ <- interactive \o/-thingamabob |
| 20:43.39 | KiphereCE | Emo |
| 20:43.51 | Inside | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:43.53 | Inside | /o/ \o\ \o\ \o/ |
| 20:43.57 | KiphereCE | nice' |
| 20:44.16 | nevcairiel | If i inherit a frame which has Scripts already, and i SetScript on my frame, will those inherited scripts be called as well, or will i replace them? |
| 20:45.47 | foxlit | You'll replace them |
| 20:45.52 | nevcairiel | good :) |
| 20:46.00 | foxlit | Therefore, use GetScript to hook if you want to preserve them |
| 20:46.22 | foxlit | (or securehook if you want to get called, but don't care about affecting the outcome) |
| 20:48.26 | nevcairiel | i actually only want to replace it |
| 20:51.09 | thr | damn i love our paladin CL |
| 20:51.34 | thr | he thinks we should stop using judgement of wisdom becase it takes him time+mana to have it up, and we loose healing from him ;> |
| 20:51.43 | thr | gogo tard patrol ;< |
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| 20:51.57 | Inside | Hmm |
| 20:52.03 | Inside | judgement of wisdom is kind of teh suck though |
| 20:52.09 | thr | you kidding? |
| 20:52.18 | Inside | Well, depend on the situation |
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| 20:52.28 | Inside | I have no clue what you're doing. |
| 20:52.42 | thr | we're talking 15 minute bossfights in naxx here, where mana conservation is like the most important thing. |
| 20:52.53 | thr | Getting 50-60 mana back on every 2nd to 3rd attack must be realy shitty then |
| 20:52.55 | thr | lawl. |
| 20:52.56 | Inside | Okay, that's different. |
| 20:53.11 | Inside | You come in sounding like you're doing a 5 man pug in oh... I mara |
| 20:53.36 | thr | ye because if i was doing mara i would be in a guild with a paladin cl... |
| 20:54.03 | Inside | go go tard patrol |
| 20:54.08 | Inside | :> |
| 20:57.20 | Kaelten | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2V1QB89CCz4 |
| 20:59.10 | Inside | XD |
| 20:59.15 | Inside | I know a guy from my guild who does that |
| 20:59.16 | Inside | at work |
| 20:59.16 | Inside | >_> |
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| 20:59.57 | Inside | Oh god. |
| 21:00.03 | Inside | My function names are so fucking convoluted. |
| 21:00.19 | Inside | static void ComplainIfObjectDoesNOTExist( const std::string & object_name, const std::string & function_name ); |
| 21:00.20 | Inside | and so on |
| 21:00.20 | Inside | xD |
| 21:03.04 | KiphereCE | off to my stupid party. |
| 21:03.12 | KiphereCE | hopefully this year they have an open bar. |
| 21:03.14 | KiphereCE | >< |
| 21:04.11 | Inside | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:08.09 | seebs | Hey, my mod got a little red star at WoWI. What's that mean? |
| 21:08.18 | Cide | try mousing over it |
| 21:08.48 | seebs | No effect, but then, I never get mouseovers; I think that must be an IEism. |
| 21:08.53 | seebs | Wait, I get them from some pages. |
| 21:08.56 | seebs | Just not from all. |
| 21:09.07 | Cide | "Popular!" |
| 21:09.23 | Gnarfoz | solution: get another browser ;P |
| 21:10.41 | seebs | Not likely. |
| 21:10.54 | seebs | I'm a Unix guy. My options are Firefox and Mozilla, and I like Firefox better. |
| 21:11.05 | Gnarfoz | huh? ;D |
| 21:11.15 | Gnarfoz | how can you be subject to IEisms then? |
| 21:11.41 | Cide | I get the "Popular!" popup in firefox while mousing over the image |
| 21:11.44 | Cide | maybe you're on a different page though |
| 21:12.11 | Kiphere|Party | if wife == ready then? |
| 21:12.17 | Gnarfoz | I get the popup in the listing as well as on the details page |
| 21:12.17 | Kiphere|Party | how do you write a statement for miracles? |
| 21:12.52 | Inside | while(alive) do random_miracle() end |
| 21:13.03 | [Liquidor] | Is there an UI reload during instance zoning? |
| 21:13.07 | Inside | while(alive) do if(really_want_to) then random_miracle() end end |
| 21:13.18 | Kiphere|Party | lol |
| 21:13.24 | Kiphere|Party | purl, hug inside |
| 21:13.25 | purl | ACTION jumps into inside's lap and huggles and *hugs* inside |
| 21:13.40 | Kiphere|Party | I dunno gender so thats the sanitary way to handle that situation. |
| 21:14.01 | Kiphere|Party | can you force resize a template button? :p |
| 21:14.23 | seebs | I meant that I think some people use popups in an IE-only way. |
| 21:14.24 | Kiphere|Party | I tried the dumb way with <size> <AbsDimension> </size> in the xml, and it just gave me an error lol |
| 21:15.18 | Cide | did you close the <AbsDimension> tag? because you didn't just now |
| 21:15.30 | Kiphere|Party | ... sumbitch rofl |
| 21:15.33 | Kiphere|Party | thanks! |
| 21:15.41 | Kiphere|Party | heh, I suck. |
| 21:15.49 | Cide | <AbsDimension x="25" y="32"/> |
| 21:15.50 | Kiphere|Party | anyway, she's ready so I'm outy. Thanks! |
| 21:15.50 | Kiphere|Party | purl, dance |
| 21:15.51 | purl | ACTION <("<) <('_')> (>")> Dance Kirby Dance! |
| 21:15.59 | Kiphere|Party | yeah I forgot the slash |
| 21:16.03 | Kiphere|Party | <sigh> |
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| 21:16.08 | Gnarfoz | hm |
| 21:16.08 | Kiphere|Party | talk to y'all in a fwe hours ;P |
| 21:17.32 | Gnarfoz | anyone know of an addon that does what "FadingHits" did/does? (biting a chunk off of a health bar (or filling one in) when the health value changes (instead of just readjusting the bar))? saw that in some videos, looks nice |
| 21:19.11 | Gnarfoz | original page is down, and I don't even know if it would work out of the box with ag_UF. google-cache: http://209.85.135.104/search?q=cache:hyU1iOi6FfkJ:home.blarg.net/~tyroney/wow.html+fading+hits+wow+addon |
| 21:23.07 | *** join/#wowi-lounge warla (n=chris@217-162-116-11.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 21:23.09 | warla | howdy |
| 21:23.15 | warla | i need a macro pro ^^ |
| 21:23.19 | Qshadowp | lol google cache allways amazes me. |
| 21:23.23 | warla | i made myself a nice random mount macro |
| 21:23.34 | Qshadowp | warla wowace has a mod for that |
| 21:23.36 | warla | but the damn Dreadsteed isnt a "mount" its a cast |
| 21:23.55 | warla | what mod? |
| 21:24.00 | warla | does that work with all my 14 mounts? |
| 21:24.09 | Qshadowp | think so |
| 21:24.17 | warla | because my random mount macro has a damn limit with the characters i can type |
| 21:24.53 | Qshadowp | i'll try and find it |
| 21:26.26 | Qshadowp | nope, cant seem to find it |
| 21:26.31 | Qshadowp | i swear someone linked one the other day |
| 21:26.33 | Gnarfoz | AQAutoMount was nice... intercepted any mounting (be it a mount item or a mount spell) and instead of what was actually cast/used it either used a random mount or an AQ mount, if inside AQ |
| 21:27.03 | warla | hmm |
| 21:27.15 | warla | can it also specify a specific mount depending on the region? |
| 21:27.17 | warla | for example |
| 21:27.27 | Gnarfoz | Qshadowp: yeah google = win. actually, the author has a portal on wowi and even recently uploaded a package of his mods (sometime around end of november), but... that zip does not include FadingHits :\ |
| 21:27.40 | warla | alterac valley, alterac mountains and winterspring... i wanna ride my pimp wintersaber |
| 21:27.43 | Qshadowp | :P |
| 21:30.01 | Qshadowp | purl, < ( ' .' < ) |
| 21:30.32 | Qshadowp | aww, she didnt like my kirby :( |
| 21:30.35 | amro | warla: you still working on wowledgebase? |
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| 21:43.41 | amro | drawing a single quad at 35fps |
| 21:43.50 | amro | awesome hardware + opengl drivers |
| 21:44.15 | zenzelezz | O_o |
| 21:44.30 | kremonte | bah, i need to write a mod |
| 21:44.33 | kremonte | o |
| 21:44.36 | kremonte | i'm too uncreative |
| 21:45.46 | amro | write a mod that does something you NEED. otherwise you don't really need to write one :) |
| 21:46.26 | kremonte | i need to write one to cure my boredom! >< |
| 21:46.36 | kremonte | i mean, i can play wow fine with the default UI :P so i don't need anything |
| 21:47.13 | foxlit | Tanktimemeter |
| 21:47.23 | foxlit | Who spends how long tanking what? |
| 21:47.41 | kremonte | too many question words in that sentence |
| 21:51.00 | foxlit | Alright, how about "How much time does everyone in the raid spend tanking something?" |
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| 21:54.30 | foxlit | measured in mobminutes |
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| 22:07.04 | |stefan| | how would i go about removing a string from all colour coding ? =) |
| 22:07.41 | foxlit | preg_replace |
| 22:07.47 | foxlit | er. string.gsub |
| 22:08.35 | |stefan| | string.gsub i know =) |
| 22:08.44 | |stefan| | but i can't figure out a pattern =) |
| 22:08.49 | foxlit | Well |
| 22:09.51 | foxlit | You'd need to match |c[colordigitshere] and |r |
| 22:10.06 | |stefan| | it's like |000000000 and all are hexadecimal except the | |
| 22:10.16 | amro | |stefan|: http://diveintopython.org/regular_expressions/index.html |
| 22:10.18 | |stefan| | ah it's c too |
| 22:10.27 | foxlit | amro: lua-specific ones would be better |
| 22:10.28 | amro | python, but nice regexes |
| 22:10.40 | foxlit | Since it's a bit crippled on the pattern side |
| 22:10.40 | amro | lua-specific = replace \ with % |
| 22:10.46 | |stefan| | string.gsub works with regexp ? |
| 22:10.52 | foxlit | sort of, yes |
| 22:10.53 | amro | patterns = regex |
| 22:11.02 | |stefan| | nice =) |
| 22:11.20 | foxlit | Not that simple, unless python regex implementation sucks |
| 22:11.40 | foxlit | http://lua-users.org/wiki/PatternsTutorial |
| 22:12.01 | amro | foxlit: for general use its that simple |
| 22:13.34 | foxlit | You'd want |c%x{6}, but there is no {6} in lua |
| 22:13.34 | amro | though i wish lua patterns were more advanced |
| 22:13.42 | foxlit | (or 8) |
| 22:14.18 | foxlit | So you have to go for sillyness like "|c%x%x%x%x%x%x%x%x" |
| 22:14.24 | amro | yeah :( |
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| 22:16.02 | amro | you might get away with %x+ |
| 22:16.35 | foxlit | Bad |
| 22:16.38 | amro | oh |
| 22:16.52 | amro | as long as there isnt abcdef in the beginning :P |
| 22:17.18 | foxlit | http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#5.4.1 for lua regex |
| 22:18.29 | amro | was reading that... yeah you're stuck with |c%x%x%x%x%x%x%x%x |
| 22:18.48 | amro | {n,m} syntax would rock |
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| 22:21.38 | |stefan| | wee got it working =) |
| 22:22.11 | |stefan| | used [a-zA-Z0-9] etc =) |
| 22:22.26 | |stefan| | weeeelll.. nite ! =) |
| 22:25.21 | amro | hold on a sec |
| 22:25.27 | amro | what's the exact pattern you used? |
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| 23:00.47 | zenzelezz | heya |
| 23:06.22 | foxlit | Woah |
| 23:06.43 | foxlit | My while (UnitDebuff("target",i) ~= nil) loop runs wildly with 40 debuff slots |
| 23:07.06 | foxlit | 5 rows of debuffs :/ |
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| 23:07.52 | zenzelezz | throw more DoTs! |
| 23:11.50 | Kirov | Does anyone know of a good animated portrait addon that's not Adapt or Neeble's? |
| 23:12.00 | Kirov | Like an updated version of Model Citizen |
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| 23:23.02 | foxlit | http://wowi.pastey.net/3661 |
| 23:23.07 | Qshadowp | whats with this thing with the gold sellers |
| 23:23.18 | Qshadowp | where there on a diffrent map, but they can access the general of all other maps? |
| 23:23.30 | Qshadowp | atm theres a level 1 spamming AV General from dun morogh, lol. |
| 23:26.22 | foxlit | Back to pastey for a second. |
| 23:27.00 | foxlit | I've made that for 1.10, and it's worked happily since. My problem is that 2.0 requires unitframes to be secure, so calling this:GetParent():GetScript("OnClick")(); obviously wouldn't work |
| 23:27.35 | foxlit | Can I render XBar unclickable (so that it'd pass clicks to the unitframe below it), or do I change it to something other than a button? |
| 23:32.29 | silv | Anyone know of a good .BLP image viewer / thumbnail preview tool so I can go nuts on the interface kit artwork? |
| 23:33.21 | Tain | I have a good your mom viewer |
| 23:33.22 | foxlit | blp2png works in a limited way |
| 23:33.33 | foxlit | purl, smack Tain |
| 23:33.43 | purl | ACTION smacks Tain upside the head. |
| 23:33.45 | silv | or even some website where somebody converted all of the artwork to something browsable is fine |
| 23:37.35 | Gnarfoz | although taxing on their bandwith, depending on what you are doing |
| 23:40.43 | Kirov | silv - check out http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=57636267&sid=1 |
| 23:41.51 | Kirov | It's not possible anymore to have bar mods change based on hunter range, right? |
| 23:44.45 | *** join/#wowi-lounge purl (i=ibot@pdpc/supporter/active/TimRiker/bot/apt) |
| 23:44.45 | *** topic/#wowi-lounge is Paste Code Here: http://wowi.pastey.net/ | Mod Author guilds on Hellfire (US) and on Tempest Keep (EU). CastSpell (A)/TargetUnit(H) | TBC Release Date 16 Jan 07 |
| 23:45.00 | Kirov | and curse go boom again |
| 23:45.14 | [Cu]Werik | With style! |
| 23:46.31 | Tenderheart | what exactly is +spell crit based on |
| 23:46.34 | foxlit | baka, your apache is dead |
| 23:46.38 | foxlit | but you respond to pings |
| 23:46.50 | *** join/#wowi-lounge [Wobin] (i=Wobin@218-214-59-86.people.net.au) |
| 23:48.37 | foxlit | Reply from curse-gaming.com: bytes=32 time=106ms TTL=55 |
| 23:48.48 | foxlit | Reply from google.com: bytes=32 time=131ms TTL=241 |
| 23:49.03 | foxlit | ergo, curse is faster than google! |
| 23:49.15 | [Cu]Werik | Obviously |
| 23:49.20 | [Cu]Werik | Curse > all |
| 23:49.21 | [Cu]Werik | ;] |
| 23:49.46 | [Cu]Werik | Nah, I'm a bit absent minded, sorry for that |
| 23:55.08 | abug | you in europe fox? |
| 23:56.26 | Kirov | bytes=32 time=87ms TTL=42 for me |
| 23:56.32 | foxlit | yes |
| 23:56.41 | Kirov | and I'm _not_ in europe |
| 23:56.49 | abug | curse is closer geographically :P |
| 23:56.52 | Gnarfoz | luckier routing ;) |
| 23:56.59 | Kaelten | curses server is in new jersey now |
| 23:57.04 | abug | oh it is? |
| 23:57.07 | [Cu]Werik | yup |
| 23:57.19 | abug | I blame lucky routing then |
| 23:57.38 | Cairenn | yup, same data center as some of ours |
| 23:58.22 | Gnarfoz | heh, tracerouting google gets me almost only hosts without reverse dns entries, weird ^^ |
| 23:58.47 | nevcairiel | google is teh secret |
| 23:59.02 | Gnarfoz | plotting... |
| 23:59.11 | foxlit | secret on the other side of the atlantic |
| 23:59.23 | foxlit | european routing is crystal clear for me |
| 23:59.32 | Gnarfoz | it is, most of the time |
| 23:59.41 | [Cu]Werik | Cairenn, we are one big family eh?:) |
| 23:59.58 | foxlit | Google.dk scores 35ms |
