| 00:00.14 | ckknight | Mauve Tuesday starts in 9 hours |
| 00:00.15 | Neuro_Medivh | actually, i think california actually DID sink into the sea, and it's all a great hoax now. That's why so many movies are done in New Zealand now |
| 00:00.19 | WrK`off | I will sleep through that nightmare nicely, nn |
| 00:00.34 | Thunder_Child | time for a pvp marathon |
| 00:00.37 | ckknight | the real madness begins in 21,though. |
| 00:00.51 | Miravlix | Your going to sleep for the rest of your life I take it? |
| 00:01.09 | Thunder_Child | Neuro, i am not under that water.. |
| 00:01.15 | Thunder_Child | s/that/the/ |
| 00:03.09 | cladhaire | I need a texture for eadio buttons |
| 00:03.13 | cladhaire | radio buttons |
| 00:03.15 | Neuro_Medivh | I contend that you are either an undead zombie pretending to not be in the water, OR you are a government agent in on the conspiracy |
| 00:03.16 | cladhaire | anyone have any ideas? |
| 00:03.34 | Tain | Radio as in like AM/FM radio? |
| 00:03.34 | Miravlix | I just hope we are really ready for this |
| 00:04.02 | Miravlix | The beta has lots of interesting 'features' that I sure hope wont go live tomorrow |
| 00:04.03 | Neuro_Medivh | clad, if you could somehow steal the radio button textures from Fallout, that would rock |
| 00:04.15 | Tain | hahah that was my first thought, Neuro_Medivh |
| 00:04.32 | cladhaire | fallout? |
| 00:04.56 | Tain | Fallout and Fallout 2, two of the greatest games ever created by man. |
| 00:05.01 | cladhaire | lol |
| 00:05.03 | Tain | If they were actually created by man. |
| 00:05.18 | cogwheel | doesn't fubar have them? |
| 00:06.12 | Neuro_Medivh | Fallout 3 is being made by Bethesda, sadly |
| 00:06.16 | Tain | Woah talk about synchronicity, I did a google image search on "radio" and got the Czech Beer FAQ. http://www.radio.cz/en/article/46095 |
| 00:06.46 | Tain | I liked the stuff Bethesda has done, but I don't think they can do Fallout. |
| 00:07.48 | Neuro_Medivh | Yeah... if they made it like Oblivion, I won't play |
| 00:08.01 | Neuro_Medivh | I just want more of Fallout |
| 00:17.01 | Caeryn | is WoW2.0's macros limited to 255 characters? |
| 00:17.10 | Kaso | yes |
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| 00:17.50 | Kaso | tbh itd be hard to hit 255 now scripts are pretty much useless |
| 00:18.36 | Caeryn | not really, you can always write more complex script or put more funtionality into a single macro |
| 00:18.48 | Caeryn | previously you could put set MA and assist MA into a single macro |
| 00:19.07 | Caeryn | now you can do sheep MA's target and so forth as well depending on whether alt or shift is pressed |
| 00:19.22 | Caeryn | just add more alt,ctrl,shift modifiers |
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| 00:43.11 | jaxdahl | is it possible 2.0.2 will come before jan 16? |
| 00:43.24 | jaxdahl | seems like a lot of bugs being fixed in that |
| 00:43.48 | Miravlix | 2.0.2 is on beta servers |
| 00:44.06 | Miravlix | And live is getting 2.0.2½ |
| 00:44.26 | Miravlix | So yeah thats more than a month before 16th |
| 00:45.31 | Kaso | is the patch live is getting called 2.0.2 or 1.13? |
| 00:45.36 | nevcairiel | 2.0.2 |
| 00:45.40 | nevcairiel | or 2.0.1 |
| 00:45.41 | Thunder_Child | the one being release tomorrow is newer than both the ptr or the beta |
| 00:45.42 | nevcairiel | or something |
| 00:45.50 | Thunder_Child | released* |
| 00:46.03 | Miravlix | Live is getting a newer version than whats on the beta an ptr |
| 00:46.26 | Miravlix | Dont really care if they call it 10.0 or what, what counts is whats in it |
| 00:46.34 | nevcairiel | guess beta will get that on thursday again then |
| 00:47.26 | ckknight | 2.0.1 |
| 00:48.23 | Miravlix | Your cant really work off version number because live gets parts from different code levels |
| 00:48.46 | Miravlix | We need sub project version numbers to know what we get |
| 00:49.11 | Thunder_Child | well "1" is for ptr whereas "2" is for tBC |
| 00:49.16 | nevcairiel | we just assume that all good stuff is in, and do the happy dance |
| 00:50.30 | Miravlix | Or expect the worst and get pleasantly supprised |
| 00:50.56 | Miravlix | But a lot prefaire to expect the best and whine a lot when they find out they thought wrong I guess |
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| 01:05.05 | Mery | g'night |
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| 01:10.51 | MentalPower|Busy | is there a way to see processor usage meters from an SSH session? |
| 01:11.27 | ckknight | top |
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| 01:13.25 | MentalPower|Busy | thanks ckknight |
| 01:13.30 | ckknight | :-) |
| 01:13.55 | Miravlix | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:14.01 | Miravlix | uptime is another way |
| 01:16.54 | pastamancer | load average just watches the number of running processes, it is not a cpu usage monitor |
| 01:17.09 | pastamancer | use vmstat or top |
| 01:18.19 | Miravlix | Its not specifically a CPU load you get with load average |
| 01:18.30 | Miravlix | But it is a machine load, not just a running process meter |
| 01:18.45 | Miravlix | It will show if there is issues with bad disks and stuff |
| 01:19.12 | Miravlix | That you cant see by looking at CPU load, because of Linux way of not waisting CPU |
| 01:19.24 | Thardal | huh? |
| 01:19.32 | Thardal | top just measures the scheduler load |
| 01:19.35 | pastamancer | man 3 getloadavg and be educated |
| 01:19.36 | Thardal | which is 99% cpu |
| 01:20.29 | Miravlix | Maybe you should get educated yourself, its not just running processes it monitors |
| 01:20.52 | Thardal | i dont understand that |
| 01:21.00 | Thardal | can you rephrase that in english :p |
| 01:21.47 | Thardal | 0.15 means the system used 15% of a cpu in the last minute |
| 01:22.56 | Miravlix | When my disk just broke I got 0% cpu usage but 25 load |
| 01:23.22 | pastamancer | Miravlix: we're talking about the load average that uptime displays, yes? |
| 01:30.17 | pastamancer | http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Darwin/Reference/Manpages/man3/getloadavg.3.html |
| 01:33.02 | Miravlix | Okay let me explain it to you |
| 01:33.37 | Miravlix | It measures process activity, correct, is does that by giving a value to running, suspended and perhaps other states of processes |
| 01:33.44 | Miravlix | It doesn just monitor running |
| 01:33.56 | Miravlix | Atleast not on Linux |
| 01:35.21 | pastamancer | whatever, I'm not interested in arguing with you |
| 01:35.51 | Miravlix | Its a valuable tool because Linux wont lock up in 100% CPU use while process is in the suspended state |
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| 01:40.34 | Miravlix | In my 13 years as a Linux user Ive never seen a machine develope issues you couldnt see with load arvage, CPU monitoring is at best of limited usefullness under Linux. |
| 01:42.18 | cladhaire | Anyone here used SetOverrideBindingClick() ? |
| 01:45.06 | Miravlix | I wonder if we get the no opening chest while in combat flagged feature of beta |
| 01:45.24 | Miravlix | It cancels any loot attempts if you go in combat mode, not just when hit |
| 01:47.28 | Neebler | does anyone else think it would be a good idea to have a seperate arena contact/communication method other than tells? especially if you're on a 2v2, 3v3, 5v5 team all at once |
| 01:47.44 | Neebler | sort of like a guild chat? since the LFG channel is gone |
| 01:47.55 | Garoun|Loupana | I think each team has their own chat channel |
| 01:48.04 | ckknight | um |
| 01:48.06 | ckknight | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:48.11 | Garoun|Loupana | or that's what they originally said |
| 01:48.14 | Miravlix | Vicinity? |
| 01:48.16 | Garoun|Loupana | and yeah, there's /p also hehe |
| 01:48.28 | Neebler | that's not my point ckknight, I mean keeping in contact with them when you're not grouped |
| 01:48.36 | ckknight | oh |
| 01:48.45 | Garoun|Loupana | I think each team your in has it's own channel like a guild |
| 01:48.49 | Neebler | 2v2 (max 4) 3v3 (max 6) 5v5 (max 10) that's 20 people to have on your friends list |
| 01:48.59 | Neebler | errr 17, -3 for being on each team |
| 01:49.20 | Garoun|Loupana | you're |
| 01:49.38 | Neebler | you are? |
| 01:49.45 | Neebler | to have on you are friends list? |
| 01:50.04 | Garoun|Loupana | if you want I'll gladly log onto beta and fly to Blades edge to create a team :P to test |
| 01:50.16 | Garoun|Loupana | but not sure of the cost or if you HAVE to be 70 to create a group |
| 01:50.21 | Neebler | go for it, but I'm not in beta |
| 01:51.40 | Garoun|Loupana | Heroes comes on in 10min :P so I'll see what I can do before then, otherwise it'll have to wait until 11 Est :) |
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| 01:56.11 | VoidRaider | Anyone seen that "Barbie Elfe" haha |
| 01:56.14 | VoidRaider | http://video.google.fr/videoplay?docid=8844269922706800251 |
| 01:58.08 | Cairenn | omg! |
| 01:58.26 | VoidRaider | :P |
| 01:59.09 | Cairenn | hahahhahaha |
| 01:59.38 | VoidRaider | lol haha mybe, there is a chance my GF will see it and play WoW ? :/ |
| 02:00.25 | VoidRaider | ah well :) |
| 02:00.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=2191192 ohman this is the greatest thread ever |
| 02:00.48 | Neebler | I prefer the NiN-closer WoW music video |
| 02:00.51 | Neebler | http://www.warcraftmovies.com/stream.php?id=32537 |
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| 02:02.01 | VoidRaider | ahh haven't seen that one :D |
| 02:03.29 | Cairenn | nice |
| 02:03.44 | Cairenn | I like NIN |
| 02:04.09 | VoidRaider | haha funny video :) |
| 02:05.25 | Miravlix | Anyone else think that Dranai females is the best looking of the races |
| 02:05.42 | AnduinLothar | mira likes tails |
| 02:06.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4224961625360449301&q=dragonforce+warcraft |
| 02:06.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | :] |
| 02:06.59 | VoidRaider | Dunno but the BE look great imo :) |
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| 02:11.18 | VoidRaider | haha so much druids :P |
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| 02:19.22 | Miravlix | I was thinking of there features, like the face |
| 02:20.33 | Miravlix | It has to be flesh and blood women before its sexual interest. Its more an artistic perfection Im impressed with |
| 02:21.11 | AnduinLothar | uh huh.. |
| 02:21.11 | VoidRaider | Sexual ? Oo |
| 02:23.46 | VoidRaider | Ahh lol, because I said BE look great you had the impression I meant they look sexy or whatever haha |
| 02:24.17 | jaxdahl | lol, discord isn't going to be updated |
| 02:24.21 | jaxdahl | for a while |
| 02:24.51 | VoidRaider | But it's on the work ? |
| 02:24.51 | Miravlix | Bit self centered there, the sexual comment was something else made by Anduin. :p |
| 02:25.04 | VoidRaider | ahh |
| 02:25.07 | VoidRaider | well :/ |
| 02:25.19 | AnduinLothar | :) |
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| 02:25.29 | VoidRaider | I miss it :P |
| 02:25.35 | AnduinLothar | mira, you're too easy to tease |
| 02:25.37 | VoidRaider | missed* |
| 02:25.50 | Miravlix | Guess its pointless to talk about fine art when there is boobies involved |
| 02:25.57 | jaxdahl | met-art? |
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| 02:27.29 | VoidRaider | Well BE have ears, long one haha :/ |
| 02:29.23 | VoidRaider | Anyway I think they are lacking at the customization part of the game, at least on the character side |
| 02:29.40 | jaxdahl | that kind of has something to do with technical limitations |
| 02:29.46 | Miravlix | The Be female is setup to be some teenage chick, so it could be my daughter, kinda killing things right there. |
| 02:29.58 | VoidRaider | haha :P |
| 02:30.14 | Tain | Funny, it being your daugher doesn't bother me any. |
| 02:30.19 | VoidRaider | I don't know if there's any limitation, I don't think so |
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| 02:30.51 | cladhaire | yes |
| 02:30.59 | jaxdahl | VoidRaider, more customization = more memory = older computers don't do as well |
| 02:31.00 | Miles | hey ^^ |
| 02:31.20 | Miles | just wondering if you had any idea why svn decided to hate me -_- |
| 02:31.35 | cladhaire | same reason anyone who got an account past october 1st lost their access =) |
| 02:31.40 | cladhaire | hard drive corruption |
| 02:31.43 | cladhaire | pm me your email |
| 02:31.47 | Miles | haha, k |
| 02:31.58 | VoidRaider | Jax that's really not correct, you know rasing the number of polygons reduces performance more, and still they done it |
| 02:32.28 | Inside | Hmmmm. |
| 02:32.34 | Inside | I think I need to buy another game card soon. |
| 02:32.37 | Inside | Like .. 25th soon |
| 02:32.38 | Inside | 0_o |
| 02:32.48 | Inside | Excellent |
| 02:32.49 | jaxdahl | VoidRaider, they can have decided not to allow customization so that they can increase polys in other areas |
| 02:32.58 | Inside | That's what I'm asking santa for this year, a 60 day wow card and 200 DVD+Rs |
| 02:34.15 | Cairenn | night Miles|zzz |
| 02:34.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | ATTENTION DUELISTS |
| 02:34.39 | Thardal | what's the website that shows you the effect on your dps when exchanging certain pieces of gear. it was something like wowdps.com or a silly name like that |
| 02:34.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | MY HAIR IS ASSAULTING YOU |
| 02:34.52 | Thardal | no it isn't |
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| 02:36.45 | Miravlix | So with live 2.0.1 what do we get, the new quests, UI and gameplay mechanics changes, like honor system? |
| 02:36.54 | VoidRaider | yup |
| 02:37.09 | VoidRaider | I almost sure of it |
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| 02:37.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | yep |
| 02:37.26 | Miravlix | Only thing from beta we dont get is the new areas |
| 02:37.27 | VoidRaider | Everything but outland If I'm not mistaken :) |
| 02:37.38 | Miravlix | Will there be Dranai in Swamp of Sorrows? |
| 02:37.54 | Inside | xD |
| 02:37.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | everything that's going into bc except the new races, 70 cap, and outland/kharazan |
| 02:38.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh and the caverns of time |
| 02:38.42 | Inside | Hmm |
| 02:38.48 | Inside | and the new items. |
| 02:38.54 | Thardal | the new mpqs already have a lot of the static tbc data |
| 02:39.31 | AnduinLothar | this is a bad day for opendiff to stop working.. |
| 02:39.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | most of the stuff you will see on azeroth that will be in bc |
| 02:39.38 | Thardal | i'm assuming that even if you dont buy tbc you eventually get all teh data |
| 02:39.42 | Miravlix | New equipment so those that dont update can watch and droll? |
| 02:40.01 | VoidRaider | Well jax you might be right but not necessarily, I know it can be due to some technical issues but I think, that if they plan to add haircuts in the future it's definitely possible to add more things to the customization part :) |
| 02:40.11 | Miravlix | I dont think so, Thar, no point in a 2 GB download |
| 02:40.29 | Thardal | the 2.0 patch includes the meshes for outlands |
| 02:40.57 | jaxdahl | so wowmapviewer might work, Thardal? |
| 02:40.59 | Thardal | i'm thinking it makes sense because keeping track of two different versions is a nightmare |
| 02:41.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | shoot there was a part of outlands in deadmines for a looong time :P |
| 02:41.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | might still be there who knows |
| 02:41.29 | Thardal | it should |
| 02:41.38 | VoidRaider | Yeah everything will be available just blocked internally |
| 02:41.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | cant get to it anymore i dont think |
| 02:42.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | i saw all the closed off stuff before they really tried closing it off :P |
| 02:43.09 | Thardal | they removed lots of the legal ways of exploration :( |
| 02:43.19 | Thardal | other than wowmapview and emulators |
| 02:43.22 | jaxdahl | interesting |
| 02:43.24 | jaxdahl | pvp is declining |
| 02:43.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | check your pm's than |
| 02:43.40 | jaxdahl | Drek'thar is dropping down the 'most dangerous creatures' list |
| 02:43.46 | Thardal | in a few hours everyone and their grandma is going to grind for r14 weapons |
| 02:43.56 | Thardal | drek is going to climb right up |
| 02:44.00 | jaxdahl | yep |
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| 02:53.37 | Miravlix | How do you get the 10% price cut pvp reward after BC? |
| 02:53.48 | jaxdahl | might not exist anymore |
| 02:53.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | er thar not than :x |
| 02:54.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm running on no sleep and rs and ns are looking pretty similar |
| 02:56.07 | jaxdahl | going to be problems with Ace2 addons? http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=52935494&sid=1#11 |
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| 03:10.02 | jaxdahl | anyone know an easy way to get more than 16 debuffs on a mob without getting a lot of people together? |
| 03:10.24 | cladhaire | nope |
| 03:10.47 | Thunder_Child | ask the mob politely |
| 03:11.17 | jaxdahl | or some way to fake it.. |
| 03:12.32 | Cairenn | okay guys, when you update your mods, check the checkbox |
| 03:13.02 | AnduinLothar | checkbox? |
| 03:13.20 | Cairenn | just added |
| 03:13.33 | Cairenn | so this shows up at the top of the description: This file/addon will work with the World of Warcraft "Before the Storm" 2.0 patch. |
| 03:13.46 | Cairenn | and there will be a pretty little flag on the addon listing page |
| 03:13.53 | AnduinLothar | what's happening to the 2.0 cat? |
| 03:14.12 | Cairenn | it'll hang around for a couple weeks, until authors have a chance to get their live versions updated |
| 03:14.12 | MentalPower | its getting nuked |
| 03:14.18 | Cairenn | then yes, it'll get nuked |
| 03:14.33 | jaxdahl | will addons that were in it get nuked? |
| 03:14.58 | AnduinLothar | ugh. tomoorow's gonna be hell |
| 03:14.58 | Cairenn | jaxdahl: yup |
| 03:15.32 | Cairenn | if you don't have a "live" version and want one that is in there moved over to the appropriate live category, PM one of the staff members on the site |
| 03:16.10 | Cairenn | myself, Dolby-wowi, cladhaire, Iriel|Away, beladonna |
| 03:19.12 | Thunder_Child | anyone know a listing of pvp item costs? |
| 03:19.39 | jaxdahl | Thunder_Child, yea, tseric locked one |
| 03:19.58 | jaxdahl | http://blue.cardplace.com/newcache/us/51038110.htm |
| 03:20.14 | jaxdahl | more in here: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=51038110&pageNo=1&sid=1#0 |
| 03:20.36 | jaxdahl | hm, it got unlocked |
| 03:20.45 | Thunder_Child | ty |
| 03:24.15 | Caeryn | Whats the max number of debuffs on a mob now? |
| 03:24.26 | jaxdahl | 40 |
| 03:24.43 | Caeryn | btw jaxdahl you can fax it by having it duplicate x times per debuff, if all you are testing is texture / positioning |
| 03:24.49 | Caeryn | s/fax/fake/ |
| 03:25.09 | jaxdahl | i have perl classic unit frames installed on the ptr |
| 03:25.17 | jaxdahl | debuffs is at 16 |
| 03:25.24 | jaxdahl | i wonder if it's a simple matter of changing 16 to 40 |
| 03:25.44 | jaxdahl | though, being a programmer myself, i doubt it's simple |
| 03:25.48 | MentalPower | Miravlix: you mean suicidal right? |
| 03:25.54 | Caeryn | no its not, because you have to add a AuraBuff for each icon |
| 03:25.58 | Caeryn | and position it properly |
| 03:26.10 | Thrae | "Warlock Pets will no longer have "Minion of" lines in their tooltips. Instead, this line will be added to the Warlock, better fitting into the lore. Example: Battlemock (Minion of Rugnip)" |
| 03:26.20 | Caeryn | haha |
| 03:26.59 | MentalPower | nice |
| 03:28.52 | Miravlix | It loaded just fine. :p |
| 03:28.53 | Thrae | "Warlocks will now have a debuff called 'Soul Corruption' after summoning any of their 'masters', which persists until they are unsummoned. 'Soul Corruption' causes a 5% chance any text your character speaks will be spoken in Demonic." |
| 03:29.38 | Miravlix | Those changes is actually cool |
| 03:29.40 | MentalPower | where is this? |
| 03:29.52 | Thrae | Inside my head! |
| 03:30.38 | Miravlix | attempt to call a table value |
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| 03:30.52 | Miravlix | Thats my main problem it seems |
| 03:31.33 | MentalPower | use AnduinLothar's conversion script |
| 03:31.42 | Miravlix | setn is obsolete |
| 03:33.26 | Miravlix | for k, v in TTLib.units |
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| 03:37.48 | Mike-N-Go | Does factoring have any use, or are they just making me do it for busy work in Algebra II? |
| 03:38.12 | jaxdahl | such as x^2-4x+4 ? |
| 03:38.20 | jaxdahl | factoring that to x-2, x+2 ? |
| 03:38.23 | jaxdahl | it has many uses |
| 03:38.51 | Thrae | Mike-N-Go: Actually, I found factoring the most fun of Algebra once I got the hang of it. And if you want to go past Algebra 2, you NEED factoring, it's the basis of everything. |
| 03:39.09 | Mike-N-Go | I am good at factoring |
| 03:39.28 | Mike-N-Go | I just want to know what it can be applied to. |
| 03:40.13 | Mike-N-Go | I kina like it, the app I have for my calculator really helps, the TI-83+ takes 10-20 seconds to crunch the problem :) |
| 03:40.23 | Mike-N-Go | Good for checking my answers. |
| 03:41.17 | Mike-N-Go | And, is there such a thing as addition of squares? My professor said it is un-doable. |
| 03:41.40 | Thrae | Mike-N-Go: It makes complex word problems far less complex. Word problems are the basis for real-life mathmatical application. |
| 03:42.30 | Thrae | And if you're going into any science or even hobby science, it's very necessary for your equations. |
| 03:42.34 | Miravlix | Can't find in the lua 5.1 documentation why for k, v in TTLIB.units is broken |
| 03:42.53 | pastamancer | for k,v in pairs(TTLIB.units) |
| 03:42.55 | jaxdahl | wrap table name with pairs ( ) |
| 03:42.57 | Mike-N-Go | Ok, I am just curious why they teach me these things. |
| 03:43.25 | Thrae | Because Education pre-college is generalized and not specialized. |
| 03:44.04 | Thrae | Anyway, as I said, it has real world applications even to the cursory user. |
| 03:44.19 | Mike-N-Go | Humm.. |
| 03:44.51 | Mike-N-Go | What is a cursory user? |
| 03:45.15 | Thrae | Casual use. |
| 03:45.36 | Mike-N-Go | Can you give me a few examples please? |
| 03:46.13 | Thrae | My teaching program is in Computer Science and Philosophy, not Math. Ask your teacher, it's his/her job. |
| 03:47.24 | cladhaire | Clique 2.0 released. |
| 03:47.27 | cladhaire | maybe it won't break |
| 03:48.21 | Mike-N-Go | Thrae: I am trying to get some prospective that is not from the one who I see daily, thanks for all you guys words about this. |
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| 03:49.47 | jaxdahl | ok, number of debuff slots is up to 40.. is that just for mobs? |
| 03:49.47 | jaxdahl | or can a player have 40 debuffs on them now too? |
| 03:50.38 | MentalPower | everything can have 40 debuffs and 40buffs |
| 03:50.38 | zenzelezz | I don't know, but I doubt they'd live very long with 40 debuffs =D |
| 03:50.47 | Miravlix | WoW looks like 99% of the addons I maintain is so well behaved BC doesnt break them except for the 5.1 changes |
| 03:50.59 | MentalPower | Miravlix: you got lucky |
| 03:50.59 | zenzelezz | :) |
| 03:51.25 | Miravlix | Naah Im simply that good a lua coder. |
| 03:51.34 | jaxdahl | looks like the .xml file needs to be changed too |
| 03:52.26 | Cairenn | *sob* |
| 03:52.50 | Cairenn | wrong channel, sorry |
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| 03:52.56 | MentalPower | :) |
| 03:53.05 | Miravlix | your conning Cairenn with your forts? |
| 03:53.07 | Cairenn | hey Thursdae, got it working I see |
| 03:53.19 | pastamancer | cladhaire: looks good, it even handles my level 2 priest who doesn't have a shadow tab on his spellbook |
| 03:53.20 | Thursdae | Yes, i took out my email and just put THursdae on it |
| 03:53.29 | cladhaire | =) |
| 03:53.41 | Cairenn | I edited your post, hope you don't mind ... don't ever put your email address on a public forum, that's just asking for trouble |
| 03:53.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | sho'nuff |
| 03:54.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | unless you make a gmail account specifically for stuff like that |
| 03:54.06 | Thursdae | its not really a public, I have like 5 |
| 03:58.18 | Cairenn | meh, still never a good plan |
| 03:58.30 | Cairenn | Thursdae: did you find the other links I pointed you to? |
| 03:58.47 | Thursdae | yea, ima start looking at them soon, just finishing up on some stuf |
| 03:58.56 | Cairenn | okay |
| 03:59.16 | Thursdae | Can I ask if you know how to install the Dreamweaver Code Coloring for LUA |
| 03:59.24 | Cairenn | I'm deleting the one thread then, since it's in the wrong forum and you posted it in the more appropriate one after |
| 03:59.38 | Thursdae | Sorry, didnt know which one |
| 03:59.46 | Cairenn | I don't, personally, and Bela isn't in channel atm ... someone else may |
| 03:59.58 | Cairenn | not a problem |
| 04:00.18 | Miravlix | Amazing running with zero script errors and it looks like things might work |
| 04:00.53 | Miravlix | Maybe Ive finally choosen the right horse to play, instead of what Blizzard always disables. :p |
| 04:04.16 | jaxdahl | there.. i changed perl_target to support 40.. not sure if it'll actually work, but it doesn't throw errors now |
| 04:04.23 | Thursdae | That one Nevir's Tutorial which is liek 2 years old doesnt work =\ |
| 04:04.24 | Miravlix | Aww, they broke TCTStateServer, not that an addon with that bad a name ever had a chance |
| 04:04.54 | Nom- | lols |
| 04:05.00 | Nom- | I can't decide on my spec for tonight patch |
| 04:05.07 | Cairenn | ~lart Tem |
| 04:05.21 | Miravlix | Nom: Go with the kiss your ass goodbye spec |
| 04:06.09 | Miravlix | Interesting enough TCTStateSaver is implemented by blizzard (in there usual half as good way) |
| 04:06.10 | Nom- | I actually kinda like all 3 specs |
| 04:06.13 | Nom- | which is just so wrong lol |
| 04:06.24 | Thursdae | What class are you/ |
| 04:06.29 | Nom- | Mage |
| 04:06.41 | Thursdae | Meh, hard choices |
| 04:07.07 | Thursdae | I don't see Arcane as that great though. |
| 04:08.12 | Nom- | 2/0/49 |
| 04:08.24 | Nom- | I don't see anything better for sustained dps than frost |
| 04:08.30 | Nom- | arcane is uber burst |
| 04:08.33 | Nom- | fire is uber burst |
| 04:08.54 | Nom- | but i guess arcane is uber burst with a bit of mana management |
| 04:09.03 | Nom- | as opposed to fire just being a mana sink |
| 04:14.48 | Tuller | oh good, I thought it was me that crashed, but it was the server |
| 04:15.15 | Thursdae | hmm? |
| 04:15.57 | Tuller | the beta server crashed exactly when I clicked on an item |
| 04:16.02 | Thursdae | oo |
| 04:16.06 | Thursdae | BC? D: |
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| 04:16.12 | Tuller | yep |
| 04:16.15 | Thursdae | lucky duck |
| 04:16.30 | Miravlix | Cairenn still haven't made the anonymous coward category, or I could up around 50 legacy addons I just updated to 2.0 |
| 04:17.08 | Cairenn | choice is yours |
| 04:17.13 | Thursdae | Does all the stuff you had done in the beta follow you into the actuall release? |
| 04:17.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | i wish you guys lots of luck for tomorrow |
| 04:17.39 | Cairenn | Thursdae: hmm? |
| 04:17.48 | Thursdae | In TBC Beta :O |
| 04:18.01 | zenzelezz | you mean your character on beta? |
| 04:18.05 | Cairenn | oh, you mean the characters? |
| 04:18.09 | Thursdae | Yea or whatever |
| 04:18.10 | zenzelezz | of course not |
| 04:18.10 | Cairenn | no, they are wiped on release |
| 04:18.20 | Thursdae | oo that sucks kinda |
| 04:18.24 | Miravlix | Was "choice is yours" to me? |
| 04:18.28 | Cairenn | meh, nature of hte game |
| 04:18.30 | Cairenn | Miravlix: aye |
| 04:18.37 | Miravlix | What choice is mine? |
| 04:18.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | don't let the combination of people bitching about your stuff not working when you couldn't test because the 2.0 build is different from the ptr and beta and you not being able to get into the site because its being hammered tomorrow get to you :P |
| 04:18.40 | Cairenn | you're welcome to upload them if you want :) |
| 04:18.55 | Miravlix | No Im not you wont make the category for it. :p |
| 04:19.20 | Cairenn | Miravlix: and you know this how? have you asked? |
| 04:19.22 | Cairenn | :p |
| 04:19.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | You could start by going through the mystic woods, up the stairs into the SHRINE OF THE SILVER MONKEY.... |
| 04:19.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | ....The choice is yours and yours alone |
| 04:19.41 | Miravlix | Yeah I made a formal suggestion months ago |
| 04:19.57 | Miravlix | Ive mantained this collection of not author updated addons for ages |
| 04:20.48 | Cairenn | Miravlix: I'm sorry, I really don't remember right now ... |
| 04:20.55 | jaxdahl | like an 'orphaned addons' category? |
| 04:20.59 | Miravlix | Yes |
| 04:21.00 | Cairenn | you very possibly did, but I am just not remembering it |
| 04:21.38 | Miravlix | I dont have the time to maintain all these legacy addons officially, but if I update them I wouldnt mind sharing the download. |
| 04:22.29 | Thunder_Child | are they nothing that have been folded into something else? |
| 04:25.10 | Thursdae | So, does anyone have any tips or help for somone wanting to learn how to make addons? |
| 04:25.24 | jaxdahl | go to the UI & Macros forum, look at the stickies |
| 04:25.28 | jaxdahl | 'mod author resources' |
| 04:25.40 | jaxdahl | study existing addons, learn the Lua programming language |
| 04:25.40 | Thursdae | I have |
| 04:25.50 | Thunder_Child | learn C |
| 04:26.06 | Thursdae | I know some C# and i took a class in C++ |
| 04:26.08 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7105 |
| 04:26.18 | zenzelezz | start small |
| 04:26.25 | Cairenn | for everyone *not* Thursdae, that wants his background |
| 04:27.15 | cogwheel | Thursdae: the first place I'd start would be http://www.lua.org/pil/ |
| 04:27.48 | cogwheel | though you may want to pick up the latest hardcopy since it covers lua 5.1 whereas the online version is only 5.0 |
| 04:27.57 | Tuller | what I did was go, "Hrm, I wish bib did this. How do I add it?" |
| 04:28.01 | jaxdahl | zomg, blizzard and lua are in cahoots |
| 04:28.07 | Miravlix | I think every hunter addon has been effectively killed with BC |
| 04:28.15 | jaxdahl | blizzard upgraded to 5.1 so ppl would buy the book |
| 04:28.24 | jaxdahl | amirite or amirite? |
| 04:28.35 | cogwheel | jaxdahl: you sound like my family... |
| 04:28.38 | cogwheel | XD |
| 04:28.56 | Miravlix | jax: The book is availble online |
| 04:29.07 | cogwheel | Miravlix: only the 5.0 version (1st ed) |
| 04:29.19 | Miravlix | Its 2nd ed 5.0 thats buy only |
| 04:29.21 | cogwheel | the 2nd ed. is only available as a hardcopy |
| 04:29.29 | Miravlix | The page says 5.1 is availble online |
| 04:29.37 | cogwheel | 5.1 manual is |
| 04:30.00 | cogwheel | PIL 2nd ed. IS the 5.1 version... |
| 04:30.35 | Miravlix | Oh its the ref thats availble online |
| 04:30.41 | Thursdae | So wheres the 5.1 manual if its online |
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| 04:30.49 | cogwheel | lua.org/manual/5.1 |
| 04:30.52 | Miravlix | I just use refs |
| 04:31.07 | Thursdae | yea nvm i just found it -.- |
| 04:31.14 | Miravlix | Toodler books is pointless . :) |
| 04:31.20 | Thursdae | i feel like such a nub today |
| 04:33.46 | VoidRaider | night guys :) |
| 04:35.15 | Cairenn | night VoidRaider|sleep |
| 04:35.39 | MentalPower | Miravlix: I wouldn't call PIL a toddler's book |
| 04:35.43 | Thursdae | So should i just read through that manual? |
| 04:36.04 | MentalPower | true it starts out as one, but gets quite deep pretty fast |
| 04:36.12 | Miravlix | Thursdae: Do you have 20 years of programming experince? |
| 04:36.15 | cogwheel | Thursdae: you could, though i wouldn't recommend it myself. PIL is better for learning the language |
| 04:36.20 | Miravlix | Thursdae: Otherwise get the toodler book |
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| 04:36.51 | Thursdae | Ha, I would say I have half a year of programming experience |
| 04:36.53 | cogwheel | You have to have a VERY solid background in programming to use reference manuals for any language. |
| 04:37.08 | SP|Sorren | Miravlix: Other than tracking addons, what hunter addons died? |
| 04:37.11 | Thursdae | Mind if I ask what PIL is... -.- |
| 04:37.14 | cogwheel | They are no-nonsense and don't guide you through proper usage |
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| 04:37.29 | cogwheel | Thursdae: the first link i gave you... |
| 04:37.58 | cogwheel | [20:27]<cogwheel>Thursdae: the first place I'd start would be http://www.lua.org/pil/ |
| 04:38.02 | Thursdae | sorry cogwheel, didnt catch that up there |
| 04:38.11 | cogwheel | :P |
| 04:39.14 | Thursdae | So with the patch does everyone have to learn 5.1 to program now or what. |
| 04:39.30 | cogwheel | yeah. it's only a couple minor differences though |
| 04:39.40 | Thursdae | I see... That really really sucks though |
| 04:39.45 | cogwheel | as long as you learn from PIL and not the reference manual, you should be OK for the most part |
| 04:40.17 | cogwheel | the most common change is in for loops that iterate through tables. A lot of addons use a method that was deprecated but still supported in 5.0 |
| 04:40.25 | Thursdae | I see... |
| 04:41.05 | Miravlix | Hmm, tinsert( NameTable[itemName], { stuff, stuff, stuff } ) gives me the same error as for. |
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| 04:41.40 | ckknight | hey all |
| 04:41.46 | Cairenn | hi ckknight |
| 04:41.48 | Thunder_Child | sup ck |
| 04:42.24 | cogwheel | Miravlix: NameTable[itemName] is a table? |
| 04:43.02 | Miravlix | I think so, was half a year ago I wrote this. :) |
| 04:44.13 | Thursdae | Night Cogwheel |
| 04:44.19 | Thursdae | Thanks too :) |
| 04:44.38 | cogwheel | GL :) |
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| 04:59.20 | Miravlix | Cairenn: Is your outdated mods thing automatic? |
| 04:59.25 | Cairenn | nope |
| 04:59.51 | Miravlix | Cairenn: Move ClorCycle-lix Micro Macro maker to outated, please? |
| 04:59.58 | Cairenn | link? |
| 05:00.19 | Miravlix | Ill update SeaSpellbook and CRCLib to 2.0 compatible versions now. |
| 05:00.32 | Caeryn | Cairenn: how do I archive the current version of the file instead of overwriting it? |
| 05:00.45 | Cairenn | Caeryn: it should archive it automatically |
| 05:00.48 | Miravlix | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?s=&id=4793 |
| 05:01.01 | Miravlix | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?s=&id=4792 |
| 05:01.07 | Cairenn | Miravlix: both to outdated? |
| 05:01.48 | Miravlix | Yes please, Ive not checked ColorCycle in months and MMM is killed with BC |
| 05:01.57 | Cairenn | done |
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| 05:12.57 | Garoun|Loupana | 20000 for PTR correct? since the api is the same as beta? |
| 05:15.14 | Caeryn | yes |
| 05:15.25 | Garoun|Loupana | danke |
| 05:15.33 | Miravlix | Err doh they implemented filterfix in there UI, so fixing that for 2.0 was pointless. :p |
| 05:16.30 | Thunder_Child | is there a difference between "critical strike chance" and "Critical effect chance"...my brain is tired |
| 05:17.09 | Miravlix | One is for melee/ranged other for spells? |
| 05:17.14 | Caeryn | it sucks when you find that no one is working on a mod you want :( |
| 05:17.21 | Thunder_Child | they are both for spells |
| 05:17.56 | Garoun|Loupana | that's ok Caeryn, because in another couple hours a lot of people will find out why mod authors lose desire to work on them :P |
| 05:17.59 | Thunder_Child | Priest - Force of will (Discupline) and Holy Specialization (Holy) |
| 05:18.20 | Thunder_Child | s/(Discupline)/(Discipline)/ |
| 05:18.25 | jaxdahl2 | necessity is the mother of invention |
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| 05:21.59 | Garoun|Loupana | quicklook updated for 2.0 |
| 05:22.35 | Garoun|Loupana | not that it really required all that much :P |
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| 05:30.54 | Garoun|Loupana | that's quite a challenge Caeryn, taking over dhud :) |
| 05:35.16 | Caeryn | haha thanks, Markus wrote very clean code |
| 05:35.34 | Caeryn | its easy to work on :) |
| 05:36.44 | Miravlix | Hmm, between BC kiled addons and Blizzard implemented, Im down to 10 legacy addons I keep going |
| 05:36.56 | Garoun|Loupana | I've been using metahud for the time being but would very likely move back to dhud once the functionality is there that meta has right now :) |
| 05:37.05 | Miravlix | I reduced my addon folder with 50 addons |
| 05:37.32 | Garoun|Loupana | mines dropped considerably I'm gonna miss Necrosis and Syrenity for my lock/priest though |
| 05:37.39 | Garoun|Loupana | er Serenity |
| 05:37.52 | Garoun|Loupana | -s ok, it's getting late |
| 05:38.17 | jaxdahl | know of alternatives for necrosis? |
| 05:38.25 | Miravlix | Anyone know of a current author for TitanFactions, TitanSkills, FilterKnown, TitanAnyCounter, TitanXPStatus, TitanRoll, TitanSpeed, TitanAllPlayed, TitanAuctions, TITanTradeCooldown? |
| 05:38.27 | Garoun|Loupana | not yet |
| 05:38.50 | Garoun|Loupana | no clue Mira, can't make myself go back to titan after using fubar |
| 05:39.13 | Caeryn | Garoun|Loupana: what functionality that metahud has that you would like? |
| 05:39.24 | Caeryn | i will add that in next |
| 05:39.29 | jaxdahl | looks like the formulas are out |
| 05:39.37 | jaxdahl | for team ratings=> arena points |
| 05:39.39 | Garoun|Loupana | primarily the saving of profiles |
| 05:39.47 | Miravlix | Its an Ace addon having Cosmos and Ace on the same system goes against the very foundation of those |
| 05:40.02 | Caeryn | why would anyone want to save profiles? |
| 05:40.13 | Caeryn | btw does anyone know where i can get bartender3? |
| 05:40.21 | jaxdahl | X=team rating, Y=arena points, If X>1500: Y = 2894/(1+259*e^(-0.0025*X)) Else: Y = 0.206*X+99 |
| 05:40.29 | Osagasu | Do I care? no. I have all sorts of Ace and Cosmos addons. |
| 05:40.34 | Garoun|Loupana | it allows for faster changing between sets and carrying it across builds/servers |
| 05:40.57 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6342-Bartender3.html |
| 05:41.05 | Garoun|Loupana | I'm an alt-er, so everytime I try something new it takes me 30min to get a working ui |
| 05:41.32 | Caeryn | i don't understand what you meant by changing between sets Garoun |
| 05:41.42 | Caeryn | oh i just copy the DHUD.lua in the SavedProfiles to the new folder |
| 05:41.59 | Garoun|Loupana | right now, for me to restore a ui, I have to copy between folders :P which I always seem to do :) |
| 05:42.55 | Garoun|Loupana | really there isn't much difference on the surface between DHUD and Metahud |
| 05:43.04 | Caeryn | iirc DHUD saves per Server, so if you set it on Bob on Hellscream, Joe on Hellscream ends up with the same oncif |
| 05:43.07 | Garoun|Loupana | Range Indicator is <3 though |
| 05:43.08 | Caeryn | s/oncif/config/ |
| 05:43.21 | Caeryn | oh it has a range indicator? I was thinking of adding that |
| 05:43.27 | Miravlix | Osagasu: Maybe you should go somewhere else then, this is a programming channel and talking about programming and design is hardlya crime |
| 05:43.32 | Caeryn | but i think I will include all the todo that Markus put up originally |
| 05:43.46 | Garoun|Loupana | yeah it sits dead center between the bars |
| 05:44.02 | Caeryn | nice, I'll check it out :) |
| 05:44.51 | Garoun|Loupana | I had posted my primary issue with dhud in the bugs section but we're running lite right now and I can't find it hehe |
| 05:45.59 | Garoun|Loupana | nm found it, one sec |
| 05:46.13 | jaxdahl | looks like the max points you can earn in a week is 2894 |
| 05:46.29 | Caeryn | cool post it again ! :D |
| 05:46.39 | Garoun|Loupana | god that was a horrible feature request I wrote |
| 05:46.39 | Garoun|Loupana | http://drathal.wowinterface.com/portal.php?id=131&a=viewfeature&featureid=827 |
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| 05:47.12 | Garoun|Loupana | way back in may lol |
| 05:47.26 | Caeryn | haha kk |
| 05:47.33 | Caeryn | i'll put it on the list, I need to cleanup my workspace a bit |
| 05:47.34 | Antiar1 | Woot. Maexxna down Saturday, Noth down today. We progress! |
| 05:48.16 | zenzelezz | Antiar1: grats =) |
| 05:48.32 | zenzelezz | wish I could say the same... we all of a sudden hardly even raid |
| 05:48.54 | Garoun|Loupana | most of the stuff I don't even know if it's on the list or not |
| 05:49.10 | jaxdahl | Antiar1, attempted patchwerk y? |
| 05:49.11 | Garoun|Loupana | lie MH3 support, and the aggro alerts |
| 05:49.11 | jaxdahl | yet |
| 05:49.24 | Miravlix | zenzelezz: Just a BC break |
| 05:49.34 | Antiar1 | I'm just glad we a) learned Noth before Decursive broke, and b) got Maexxna before she becomes EZ-mode. |
| 05:49.49 | zenzelezz | Miravlix: could be, but I'm worried it might go deeper. Been some internal disputes and whatnot lately |
| 05:49.54 | Miravlix | People prolly feel they are waisting there time getting old school equipment when it gets invalidated by BC |
| 05:50.31 | zenzelezz | Antiar1: easy mode? How come, stacking HoTs? |
| 05:50.33 | jaxdahl | Antiar1, yea, noth is definitely a fight to get before decursive breaks |
| 05:50.36 | jaxdahl | zenzelezz, yup |
| 05:50.39 | Antiar1 | zenzelezz: yeah. |
| 05:50.46 | jaxdahl | HoTs are the key for that fight |
| 05:51.02 | Garoun|Loupana | I fully plan to revisit those old instances when I'm 60 and don't need 40 people :p |
| 05:51.04 | jaxdahl | you need druids for abolish and HoTs, and a 8/8 tier2 priest |
| 05:51.25 | zenzelezz | why the tier 2 priest? |
| 05:51.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | AL, you here? |
| 05:51.37 | zenzelezz | don't think we have one, and we take her down |
| 05:51.40 | jaxdahl | zenzelezz, extra HoT |
| 05:51.42 | Garoun|Loupana | It'll also help gear up friends that are closing on 60 |
| 05:52.15 | jaxdahl | Garoun|Loupana, not really |
| 05:52.25 | jaxdahl | naxx gear will be expensive compared to getting BoEs from outland |
| 05:52.36 | zenzelezz | I just wish I could have gotten some more Dreadnaught before BC... if things go tits up for my guild, I might have a hard time getting a new one, especially since the new instances are lower player limits |
| 05:53.05 | Garoun|Loupana | the new instances are a lot of fun though |
| 05:53.17 | zenzelezz | that doesn't help me if I don't have a guild to go to them with |
| 05:53.24 | jaxdahl | Garoun|Loupana, you'd have to grind up AD rep to get attuned |
| 05:53.24 | Garoun|Loupana | I laugh at the "Heal me!" everytime |
| 05:53.33 | jaxdahl | and tier 3 mats would take time to get |
| 05:53.58 | Garoun|Loupana | I guess that would depend if the rep went to crap in the isntances at 70 |
| 05:54.26 | Garoun|Loupana | if it didn't change for scholo/strat 5 70s could burn that rep really quickly with runs |
| 05:54.54 | zenzelezz | I found AD rep to be much faster from Naxx than from elsewhere past revered |
| 05:55.06 | zenzelezz | and revered attunement cost isn't that bad |
| 05:55.08 | Garoun|Loupana | but I also never fully finished BWL or MC, so I'd like to actaully finish them so I can say I have |
| 05:55.16 | Garoun|Loupana | regardless of the being 70 |
| 05:55.24 | zenzelezz | finished how, got the full sets? |
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| 05:55.33 | jaxdahl | hmm |
| 05:55.35 | Garoun|Loupana | nah, just finished all the encounters |
| 05:55.40 | jaxdahl | your debuffs aren't cleared when you enter the arena |
| 05:55.41 | jaxdahl | heh |
| 05:55.42 | zenzelezz | I see |
| 05:55.48 | Garoun|Loupana | I could care less about the drops |
| 05:56.16 | Garoun|Loupana | not uncommon for me to join a guild because they needed help and decline all drops |
| 05:56.28 | Garoun|Loupana | of course there always seems to be a ML that forces a drop into my bag :P |
| 05:57.21 | zenzelezz | remind me, we're getting the new talents in this patch? As in we can actually train them? |
| 05:57.27 | Garoun|Loupana | yes |
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| 05:58.03 | zenzelezz | I'm pretty happy about the new warrior stuff |
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| 05:58.48 | jaxdahl | is Cide going to get any sleep tonight? |
| 05:59.03 | Cairenn | Cide's been asleep |
| 05:59.29 | Cairenn | or at the very least, afk for quite a while |
| 05:59.43 | Garoun|Loupana | whatever you do Caeryn, if you add the things like tot/right-left click player menu's, please make sure there is an option to turn it off :p |
| 06:00.23 | SB1-Laptop | Is there any way that perfectraid can function for a party also? Just just a raid? |
| 06:00.25 | Garoun|Loupana | or in the case of ToT, lower strata so it's clickthrough... gets really frustrating trying to turn with my mouse and it doesn't do anything because it's over a frame hehe |
| 06:00.35 | SB1-Laptop | *Not just |
| 06:02.12 | Garoun|Loupana | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info4673-PerfectRaid.html not sure, but you can check there |
| 06:03.34 | Garoun|Loupana | it's set to Under Review on the requested features :) |
| 06:05.56 | AnduinLothar | Mr_Rabies2: pong |
| 06:06.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | huhuh |
| 06:06.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | :o |
| 06:06.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | check yer pm's |
| 06:06.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | i wasnt sure if you were here or not |
| 06:07.04 | AnduinLothar | k |
| 06:09.52 | Osagasu | Kael needs to get his mods updated. :P |
| 06:15.50 | Caeryn | Bartender needs to add the serenity skin |
| 06:16.58 | Garoun|Loupana | this should be a fun evening to read the ui forums |
| 06:17.42 | Caeryn | tomorrow will be more fun |
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| 06:18.08 | Garoun|Loupana | that's what I meant |
| 06:18.11 | Garoun|Loupana | tomorrow evneing :) |
| 06:19.37 | Garoun|Loupana | I only wish I could do a /petattack in a /castsequence |
| 06:20.31 | Garoun|Loupana | I do them seperately now, otherwise my voidwalker gets really really chatty hehe |
| 06:25.27 | Arrowmaster | voidwalkers talk now when told to attack? |
| 06:25.36 | Garoun|Loupana | yep |
| 06:25.39 | Garoun|Loupana | they all do |
| 06:25.42 | Zicon | Oh dear. |
| 06:25.48 | Garoun|Loupana | the imp is very pissy |
| 06:25.51 | Arrowmaster | oh a voice? |
| 06:25.56 | Zicon | The imp has _always_ been pissy. |
| 06:25.59 | Garoun|Loupana | the void sounds like eeor |
| 06:26.06 | Garoun|Loupana | well, he's even more so now :P |
| 06:26.15 | Arrowmaster | yeah the imps always done /say chat when you tell him to attack |
| 06:26.17 | Garoun|Loupana | he really doesn't liek being asked to cast firesheild on someone |
| 06:26.25 | Garoun|Loupana | it's actually a voice now |
| 06:26.40 | Arrowmaster | i havent notice the imp talk ever |
| 06:26.43 | Zicon | Wonderful. I haven't even heard it, and I'm already annoyed. |
| 06:26.52 | Thunder_Child | lol |
| 06:26.53 | Garoun|Loupana | It's not spam like I expected |
| 06:27.05 | Thunder_Child | wow sound = off for me |
| 06:27.06 | Garoun|Loupana | if you hit the button in a spam fashion it stays muted |
| 06:27.46 | Garoun|Loupana | hmm just noticed: /petattack [target=pettarget,noexists] I may have to try that |
| 06:28.35 | Arrowmaster | yeah that should work |
| 06:28.36 | Garoun|Loupana | just don't ever do /petattack and use it as part of a castsequence macro... just don't, it is VERY annoying |
| 06:28.54 | Garoun|Loupana | that DOES force the pet to speak every click |
| 06:31.45 | Tem | Anyone remember where the 4th troll legend is in STV? |
| 06:32.14 | Garoun|Loupana | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8916393323711320822&q=warlock+voices 2 of the pet summon voices |
| 06:32.18 | Garoun|Loupana | quest? |
| 06:32.31 | Garoun|Loupana | name that is |
| 06:34.05 | Garoun|Loupana | Tem: Says 24,8 in the Emperor's Tomb on Allah |
| 06:34.12 | Garoun|Loupana | STV zone :) |
| 06:34.24 | Tem | aaah, yeah |
| 06:34.27 | Tem | I forgot to go to that one |
| 06:36.43 | Garoun|Loupana | yay get my Harmony 880 remote on Wed for my entertainment center :) |
| 06:38.16 | Caeryn | I have to ask, what's everyone's fondness for Ace |
| 06:38.37 | Thunder_Child | it works |
| 06:56.27 | ckknight | Caeryn, I'm quite fond of it. |
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| 06:59.18 | s|loup | hi |
| 06:59.33 | Cairenn | hey s|loup :) |
| 06:59.33 | ckknight | hey s|loup |
| 07:00.13 | s|loup | does one of you know how to use the slashcommand /click Button [mousebutton] ? |
| 07:00.29 | Neuro_Medivh | what about it? |
| 07:00.38 | Neuro_Medivh | what are you trying to do? |
| 07:00.40 | s|loup | especialy what to set for button and mousebutton |
| 07:01.18 | Neuro_Medivh | Well, tell me what it's supposed to do |
| 07:01.23 | s|loup | i just want to know what to set for button and mousebutton to understand it |
| 07:01.44 | s|loup | so button is a number or a charakter or what? |
| 07:01.46 | Neuro_Medivh | Well, /click Button [mousebutton] doesn't really work |
| 07:02.12 | Neuro_Medivh | not even sure /click takes options |
| 07:02.16 | Neuro_Medivh | but assuming it does... |
| 07:02.25 | [Cu]Werik | Goooooood Mornin' |
| 07:02.29 | s|loup | hi |
| 07:02.35 | Neuro_Medivh | I still need to know what you're trying to do |
| 07:02.59 | s|loup | hm the problem is i dont know exactly what it is suposed to do ;) |
| 07:03.24 | Neuro_Medivh | for example, "/click ActionButton1" will activate the first button on your main bar |
| 07:03.33 | s|loup | ah |
| 07:03.50 | s|loup | can it emulates clicks on a keyboard? |
| 07:03.52 | Neuro_Medivh | they are labeled ActionButton1 through ActionButton12 I believe |
| 07:03.56 | Neuro_Medivh | no |
| 07:04.08 | s|loup | so oly buttons of the ui |
| 07:04.17 | s|loup | *only |
| 07:04.18 | Neuro_Medivh | Yes, that's it's purpose |
| 07:04.30 | Neuro_Medivh | s/it's/its |
| 07:05.04 | Thunder_Child | that trailing slash is really iritating |
| 07:05.19 | s|loup | what about the special actionbars on right side or above the normal actionbar? |
| 07:05.28 | Neuro_Medivh | They just have different names |
| 07:05.51 | jaxdahl | how many buttons are stored serverside? 72? |
| 07:06.20 | s|loup | 6*12 for actionbars |
| 07:06.42 | s|loup | but i didnt really know if the special actionbars are in there |
| 07:07.10 | s|loup | maybe it would be 10*12 = 120 ? |
| 07:07.36 | Neuro_Medivh | Not ActionIDs |
| 07:07.41 | Neuro_Medivh | secure action buttons |
| 07:09.08 | Neuro_Medivh | In the default UI, they are called ActionButton1-12, MultiBarLeftButton1-12, MultiBarRightButton1-12 |
| 07:09.28 | Neuro_Medivh | MultiBarBottomRight1-12 and MultiBarBottomLeft1-12 |
| 07:09.49 | Neuro_Medivh | er, MultiBarBottomRightButton1-12, and MultiBarBottomLeftButton1-12 |
| 07:09.56 | s|loup | oh thanks |
| 07:10.36 | Tuller | whee I can view my bank from anywhere again |
| 07:12.08 | Cairenn | okay guys, stress relief threads are up: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7113 and http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=52935825&sid=1 |
| 07:12.19 | zenzelezz | =) |
| 07:15.20 | Thunder_Child | Beed to make "punch a dev" dolls |
| 07:15.23 | ckknight | Cairenn, put up my posting. |
| 07:15.40 | Cairenn | hmmm? |
| 07:16.08 | Thunder_Child | need* |
| 07:16.40 | Cairenn | Thunder_Child: more like "punch an end user" :p |
| 07:16.48 | Cairenn | ckknight: which posting? |
| 07:16.54 | Thunder_Child | well, to each their own |
| 07:16.58 | Cairenn | Mauve Tuesday? |
| 07:16.59 | ckknight | Cairenn, "stress relief" |
| 07:17.07 | ckknight | on the wowi thread |
| 07:17.08 | Cairenn | oh, duh,nm |
| 07:17.24 | Cairenn | I thought you were asking me to submit something for you |
| 07:17.28 | Thunder_Child | besides, punch a dev rolls off the though better |
| 07:17.34 | Thunder_Child | toung* |
| 07:17.39 | Thunder_Child | ...err..something like that |
| 07:17.40 | Cairenn | function* |
| 07:17.49 | Thunder_Child | just blame it on being late |
| 07:19.14 | ckknight | nymbia, what are lettuce gnomes? |
| 07:19.47 | Cairenn | nymbia: ROFL |
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| 07:20.49 | nymbia | hahaha |
| 07:20.59 | nymbia | "thanks for letting us know, blizz!" |
| 07:22.26 | jaxdahl | lettuce gnomes = letting us know |
| 07:22.58 | ckknight | ah. |
| 07:23.56 | ckknight | I'd post on the wow forums, but my wow minutes are up. |
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| 07:27.23 | Inside | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:27.50 | ckknight | I buy cards or have people buy me cards every so often |
| 07:27.53 | ckknight | I ran out a few days ago |
| 07:27.57 | ckknight | I can still play on the beta server |
| 07:28.02 | ckknight | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:28.15 | nymbia | fix it before beta's over! ;) |
| 07:28.22 | ckknight | so I'll be waiting till TBC comes out |
| 07:28.25 | ckknight | fix what, nymbia? |
| 07:28.32 | nymbia | your lack of minutes |
| 07:28.55 | Thunder_Child | woot for poems |
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| 07:29.48 | ckknight | nymbia, I'll survive for now, I just can't post to the forums |
| 07:29.59 | nymbia | yeah |
| 07:30.08 | Thunder_Child | i cant belive there is a post repeat limit |
| 07:30.20 | Thunder_Child | are things that bad on the forums? |
| 07:30.56 | [Cu]Werik | That makes miracles against spammers |
| 07:31.38 | Thunder_Child | i just didnt know it was that bad...sad |
| 07:33.00 | [Cu]Werik | This is a cruel world we are livin' in:) |
| 07:33.22 | ckknight | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=6403 - vote up for great justice! |
| 07:34.58 | Inside | <_< |
| 07:35.05 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn, tomorrow after the patch hits and ppl get their mods you should make a forum topic leting devs bitch at the players for their whining |
| 07:35.16 | ckknight | lol, Thunder_Child |
| 07:35.18 | Inside | Voted down, just because you don't have enough vowels in your name. |
| 07:35.31 | Thunder_Child | what can i say, i really like fair play |
| 07:35.34 | Inside | Cool, I'm a dev, all bitching rights reserved(c) |
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| 07:36.16 | Inside | Woot, /47/ downloads. |
| 07:36.45 | ckknight | Inside, don't be prejudiced against consonants. |
| 07:37.04 | Inside | I wonder how many of those 47 are me and my friends downloads to make me feel better. |
| 07:37.19 | Thunder_Child | 46? |
| 07:37.24 | Inside | ... probably |
| 07:37.24 | Inside | :< |
| 07:38.28 | ckknight | Inside, for what mod? |
| 07:38.28 | Thunder_Child | i only tease, it's prolly closer to 43 |
| 07:38.32 | Inside | http://masterchiefpallylol.ytmnd.com/ |
| 07:38.33 | Inside | XD |
| 07:39.03 | Inside | Make me feel better and download my shitty mod http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5934-AsylumUNO-Achatbasedunobot.html |
| 07:39.05 | Inside | not 2.0 tested |
| 07:39.05 | Inside | XD |
| 07:39.45 | ckknight | hey, Uno |
| 07:39.50 | ckknight | you said you were making that |
| 07:39.52 | Inside | irc-style uno |
| 07:40.00 | Inside | Yeah, I finished about 3 weeks ago. |
| 07:40.04 | Neuro_Medivh | is it ace based? =) |
| 07:40.23 | Inside | It's gonna be a big emberassment if my upload doesn't work and of the 47 people who downloaded nobody tried it out or reported the error. |
| 07:40.26 | Inside | ace? er no |
| 07:40.59 | ckknight | well then no thank you, Inside |
| 07:41.11 | Inside | You're just bitter since I didn't use ACE! |
| 07:41.14 | Inside | admit it! |
| 07:41.20 | ckknight | Ace is not an acronym. |
| 07:41.32 | Inside | That's ANAN |
| 07:41.46 | ckknight | your mom's ANAN. |
| 07:41.48 | Inside | "Anaa's Not An Acronym." |
| 07:41.49 | Inside | XD |
| 07:42.09 | ckknight | meh. cool idea. |
| 07:42.12 | ckknight | could use a GUI, though. |
| 07:42.18 | Inside | Not quite as good as Lame or whatever. |
| 07:42.24 | Inside | oh, I thought you mean the acronym. |
| 07:42.44 | Inside | Nah, it's irc-style because I just can't envision people downloading the addon ^_^ |
| 07:42.58 | Inside | If you have 6 people who want to play uno, you need 6 people to download it, in this case, you only need 1. |
| 07:43.11 | Inside | omfg @ http://masterchiefpallylol.ytmnd.com/ |
| 07:43.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPxY8lpYAUM |
| 07:43.21 | Inside | about 500 times listened now |
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| 07:44.39 | Inside | wow. |
| 07:44.46 | Inside | well excuuuuuuuuuse meeeeeeeeeeee princess |
| 07:45.18 | Inside | That is.. |
| 07:45.22 | Inside | the fucking most annoying thing |
| 07:45.22 | Inside | ever |
| 07:45.31 | Inside | also, I want a wii and twilight princess. |
| 07:45.39 | Tem | yes please |
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| 07:46.16 | Neuro_Medivh | www.wiihaveaproblem.com |
| 07:46.44 | Dhraga | morning |
| 07:47.30 | Legorol|poof | morning |
| 07:47.37 | Neuro_Medivh | Ok, this is funny: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=52825914&postId=528311748&sid=1 |
| 07:47.46 | Legorol | does anyone know when do the US servers go down, as in in how many hours? |
| 07:47.53 | Thunder_Child | 1 am |
| 07:47.58 | Thunder_Child | pst |
| 07:48.04 | |FF|Im2good4u | us gets patched next week >.> |
| 07:48.04 | Cairenn | so about 2 hrs |
| 07:48.22 | Cairenn | and, good night all, gonna try to get some sleep before things start going nuts |
| 07:48.30 | Inside | oh lawd |
| 07:48.36 | Inside | 13 hours till armageddon |
| 07:48.40 | Thunder_Child | to late, but gn |
| 07:48.45 | ckknight | 1 hour till Mauve Tuesday |
| 07:48.51 | ckknight | 13 hours till the big issues hit |
| 07:49.28 | Inside | Mauve? |
| 07:49.31 | Inside | ... |
| 07:49.44 | Inside | I wish to speak to the personal in charge of color coordinatino. |
| 07:49.49 | Inside | s/tino/tion |
| 07:50.05 | Neuro_Medivh | Apparently he took issue with "Black Tuesday" |
| 07:50.06 | ckknight | yes, Mauve. |
| 07:50.15 | ckknight | it's like "Black Friday" |
| 07:50.16 | ckknight | only Mauve |
| 07:50.18 | ckknight | and Tuesday |
| 07:50.44 | Neuro_Medivh | First, Mauve is just a fruity color |
| 07:50.51 | Inside | That's my main concern. |
| 07:51.16 | Inside | It's call it "Blood Tuesday" at the 7.4 million WoW junkies not being able to get their fix for 12 hours. |
| 07:51.32 | Neuro_Medivh | second, while I agree Black Tuesday is giving it too much gravitas, perhaps "Medium Grey Tuesday" would be a better fit |
| 07:51.33 | ckknight | It's satirical |
| 07:51.39 | Inside | Medium Grey? I like |
| 07:51.41 | ckknight | and I coined Mauve Tuesday like a week ago |
| 07:52.16 | Neuro_Medivh | So, you always stick to a bad piece of code when you know it's not good? |
| 07:52.52 | ckknight | more about trademarking than copyright. |
| 07:53.06 | Neuro_Medivh | I mean, mauve... 90% of wow players can't even pronounce that, much less point to it on a color chart |
| 07:53.10 | Inside | hahaha |
| 07:53.23 | Neuro_Medivh | why not call it "Fucia Tuesday" |
| 07:53.27 | ckknight | it's like a deep pink |
| 07:53.30 | Inside | It's it fuscia? |
| 07:53.33 | ckknight | Fuschia |
| 07:53.40 | ckknight | I like Mauve |
| 07:53.50 | Inside | Whee, my program approaches 3,000 lines. |
| 07:53.55 | Inside | Yet so far it does nothing. |
| 07:53.56 | nymbia | they dont need to pronounce it; hell, half of them probably dont know it's coming |
| 07:53.56 | Inside | Daymn |
| 07:54.27 | Inside | I have a feeling as though the wow forums are gonna be done as 3.25 million players suddenly all screamed out "omg y wont my srevr work??" |
| 07:54.32 | Neuro_Medivh | yeah, I misspelled it... I can pronounce that one, never can spell it right |
| 07:54.33 | Inside | s/done/down |
| 07:54.46 | Caeryn | what did they replace setn with? |
| 07:54.55 | nymbia | Caeryn: not a thing |
| 07:55.05 | Thunder_Child | there is chartunce, but i really dont like it |
| 07:55.12 | ckknight | Chartruce |
| 07:55.14 | Thunder_Child | chartuce* |
| 07:55.20 | ckknight | meh |
| 07:55.22 | Thunder_Child | sh? |
| 07:55.31 | ckknight | chartreuse |
| 07:55.36 | ckknight | that's it |
| 07:55.49 | Thunder_Child | vermillion |
| 07:55.51 | Caeryn | how do you set and get a size of a table then? |
| 07:55.58 | ckknight | you can't set |
| 07:56.01 | ckknight | to get: #t |
| 07:56.13 | nymbia | getn still works, too |
| 07:56.19 | ckknight | #t calculates on-demand with an O(log n) complexity |
| 07:56.22 | Neuro_Medivh | chartreuse is essentially neon lime green |
| 07:56.33 | ckknight | nymbia, I plan on switching to #t, it's cleaner |
| 07:56.36 | Industrial | ohhhhhh an O9log n) complexity! |
| 07:56.40 | Industrial | (:S?) |
| 07:56.47 | Caeryn | interesting, i've never seen a language completely depreciate a function before |
| 07:56.49 | ckknight | Industrial, excuse me? |
| 07:56.56 | Industrial | ckknight: im just kidding |
| 07:56.56 | ckknight | Caeryn, welcome to the fast lane. |
| 07:57.05 | ckknight | Industrial, what was (:S?) |
| 07:57.20 | Industrial | that I have nooo fricken idea what O(log n) means |
| 07:57.47 | Inside | I used to know |
| 07:57.50 | Industrial | <-- school bbl |
| 07:57.54 | Inside | for about 2 weeks after I read up o nhow log wrks. |
| 07:57.57 | Inside | But now I forgot. |
| 07:58.17 | Inside | Basically, the time it takes to go over the elements of that container is log of n |
| 07:58.24 | Inside | as opposed to something like n^2 or something |
| 07:58.41 | ckknight | basically, O(1) < O(log n) < O(n) < O(n log n) < O(n^2) < O(n^3) < O(n^k)|k>3 < O(2^n) < O(n!) < O(n^n) |
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| 07:59.18 | Inside | O(1) is like if the table contains nothing... O(n) is if you have to go through the list one by one to get to element n.. |
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| 07:59.28 | Inside | or something ~_~ |
| 07:59.42 | jaxdahl | very commonly used to describe worse case scenarios for sorting |
| 07:59.46 | jaxdahl | worst* |
| 07:59.59 | zenzelezz | sorting, searching, and so on |
| 08:00.10 | Inside | Anyway, *thinks* |
| 08:00.32 | ckknight | O(1) means constant time, will always execute in the same time no matter the size you're dealing with |
| 08:01.15 | Inside | o_q orly? |
| 08:01.37 | ckknight | O(n) is linear time, it grows linearly as the size grows bigger |
| 08:01.44 | Inside | aahh |
| 08:02.07 | jaxdahl | O(n^k)|k>3 < O(2^n) |
| 08:02.10 | jaxdahl | i don't think that is correct |
| 08:02.11 | ckknight | O(n^2) is polynomial time, it grows polynomially bigger as the size grows bigger. |
| 08:02.33 | [Cu]Werik | O means basically that you deal only the dominating terms of the function, because n is getting so large, the other terms loose their purpose |
| 08:02.37 | ckknight | jaxdahl, O(n^k) < O(2^n), no matter the k. |
| 08:02.57 | ckknight | because as n grows large enough, it becomes true |
| 08:03.03 | jaxdahl | k=1? |
| 08:03.13 | ckknight | jaxdahl, already covered by O(n) previously. |
| 08:03.21 | jaxdahl | k=-1? |
| 08:03.24 | ckknight | note how it was a whole list of things. |
| 08:03.30 | ckknight | jaxdahl, impossible algorithmically. |
| 08:03.31 | jaxdahl | kk |
| 08:03.38 | ckknight | lowest k is 0 |
| 08:03.42 | ckknight | which is O(1) |
| 08:04.06 | jaxdahl | there are fascinating applets out there |
| 08:04.11 | jaxdahl | that demonstrate sorting visually |
| 08:04.17 | MoonWolf | O(o) would be no time i think. |
| 08:04.28 | ckknight | MoonWolf, it's O(1) |
| 08:04.31 | ckknight | constant time |
| 08:04.32 | |FF|Im2good4u | oO |
| 08:04.51 | Inside | Anyway, for my game, which uses Lua for scripting, my game's level scripts define objects and also move them around... and also are responsible for spawning player objects and so on. Now, the scripts are more or less executed every game tick to see if anything needs updating so in the instance of a player connected to the game server, would I want to a) create an event system that calls an OnEvent() function in the script passing |
| 08:04.55 | ckknight | since you go to the lowest denomination |
| 08:04.59 | ckknight | highest* |
| 08:05.13 | ckknight | and O(0) is technically impossible, seeing as the function call itself takes _some_ constant time |
| 08:05.15 | Inside | the player that has connected, or do I want to every time the script is executed query whether a player has connected 0_o? Hmm |
| 08:05.35 | ckknight | therefore, you have O(k) where k > 0, which turns into O(1) |
| 08:06.00 | Inside | Although like scripts in WoW with their RegisterEvent().. hmm |
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| 08:07.06 | ckknight | Inside, AceEvent? |
| 08:07.36 | ckknight | or are you talking about something not WoW-related? |
| 08:07.57 | Inside | Not wow related |
| 08:07.58 | Inside | >_> |
| 08:08.40 | ckknight | fair enough. |
| 08:09.11 | Inside | Ugh, time to think how the registering event thing is gonna work ~_~ |
| 08:11.45 | Inside | Think I sort of painted my self into a corner since I'm giving each lua script its own private environment that can't affect anything else and can't do something like registerevent() |
| 08:13.14 | Inside | Wait no. |
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| 08:18.52 | Davey | hello guys |
| 08:19.24 | Davey | the wiki is pretty informative, but i'm having a bit of trouble i wondered if i could get help with |
| 08:19.29 | Inside | shore |
| 08:19.47 | Davey | is that ok? |
| 08:20.04 | Inside | Well |
| 08:20.08 | Inside | At the very worst you'll get a bad chewing out |
| 08:20.11 | Inside | So you might as well ask. |
| 08:20.14 | Davey | lol |
| 08:20.50 | Davey | trying to parse the CHAT_MSG_LOOT event |
| 08:21.03 | Inside | And? |
| 08:21.05 | Davey | if i do |
| 08:21.13 | Davey | msg = string.find(arg1, pattern); |
| 08:21.17 | Davey | it always returns '1' |
| 08:21.31 | Davey | if i do start, msg = string.find(arg1, pattern); |
| 08:21.38 | Davey | it returns random numbers |
| 08:21.51 | Inside | what pattern are you using? |
| 08:21.51 | Davey | 75, 67, 90 to name a few |
| 08:22.04 | Davey | pattern = "You receive loot: (.+)."; |
| 08:22.12 | Inside | Well, um. |
| 08:22.24 | Davey | mmaybe missing something, i am pretty new to this |
| 08:22.28 | Inside | Crap, I'm not good at patterns. |
| 08:22.44 | Inside | That's kind of an odd looking pattern c_c |
| 08:22.46 | Davey | i gather it should be returning the string |
| 08:22.56 | Davey | the first one just shows a '1' |
| 08:23.10 | Davey | i guess that value is boolean for "you have looted something" |
| 08:23.17 | Inside | If it finds a match, then find returns the indices of s where this occurrence starts and ends; |
| 08:23.25 | Davey | cannot work out what the 2nd version means |
| 08:23.33 | Inside | So the pattern of "You find ?" starts at character 1 |
| 08:23.44 | Inside | oh, and the second number is the index where the character ends. |
| 08:23.47 | Inside | er, the string ends. |
| 08:24.05 | Davey | i also tried |
| 08:24.09 | Davey | like listed on the wiki |
| 08:24.14 | Inside | So you're trying to find out what item you got? |
| 08:24.21 | Davey | start, end, msg = string.find(arg1, pattern); |
| 08:24.28 | Davey | but that gave an error near end on line 22 |
| 08:24.29 | Davey | lol |
| 08:24.37 | Davey | on compile |
| 08:24.40 | Inside | Well hold on |
| 08:24.46 | Inside | what are you trying to get from the code? |
| 08:24.51 | Davey | the name of the item |
| 08:24.58 | Inside | You're passed a string "You recieve loot [object code, I bet...]" ? |
| 08:25.05 | Davey | yes |
| 08:25.21 | Inside | What I would do, it may not be the best, but I would check if "You" is the first three characters of the string |
| 08:25.38 | Davey | surely i've done that |
| 08:25.55 | Inside | and if it is, do a string.sub() on that string starting from after the character after loot. |
| 08:25.58 | Davey | with the 'pattern' variable |
| 08:26.03 | Inside | Um. |
| 08:26.34 | Davey | i thought what i stored in pattern variable was like a parsed string, and what i was returning WAS the item lol |
| 08:26.50 | Davey | hence what the (.+) was for |
| 08:26.53 | Inside | Um. |
| 08:27.09 | Davey | gonna try something. there's a . just after that |
| 08:27.16 | Davey | pattern = "You receive loot: (.+)."; |
| 08:27.23 | zenzelezz | "Find the first occurrence of the pattern in the string passed. If an instance of the pattern is found a pair of values representing the start and end of the string is returned. If the pattern cannot be found nil is returned." |
| 08:27.40 | zenzelezz | sounds like you're getting the start and end values, nothing more |
| 08:27.49 | Inside | http://rafb.net/paste/results/P7xhl998.html |
| 08:28.51 | Inside | That may actually be faster than trying to match a pattern because it doesn't have to go over the entire string, character by character, seeing if it matches the pattern, I Think |
| 08:29.01 | Inside | Since you're dealing with a fixed length prefix. |
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| 08:29.26 | Arrowmaster | actually thats a very bad idea |
| 08:29.34 | Inside | orly? |
| 08:29.35 | jaxdahl | T minus 30 minutes |
| 08:29.38 | Inside | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:29.39 | Inside | D: |
| 08:29.49 | Arrowmaster | that even also gives stuff like "You pass on .." and etc |
| 08:29.56 | Arrowmaster | s/even/event/ |
| 08:30.12 | Inside | Well whatever, you then check for if(who == "Your recieve") =P |
| 08:30.29 | Inside | I've never used loot messages, sorry. |
| 08:36.16 | Industrial | o wait its tuesday init |
| 08:37.02 | Industrial | hm i can still log in tho |
| 08:37.09 | Industrial | hwo long til the patch starts? |
| 08:37.11 | Davey | got it |
| 08:37.16 | jaxdahl | 25 minutes |
| 08:37.21 | Davey | thanks for that snippet Inside |
| 08:37.31 | Inside | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:37.45 | Caeryn | where can I get information on PanelTemplates_TabResize()? |
| 08:37.49 | Industrial | ok |
| 08:38.15 | Davey | yeah its like substr() in php i think |
| 08:38.23 | Corrodias | quick! log in and use decursive one last time! ;P |
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| 08:38.30 | Davey | how can i remove the last 2 letters of the string? |
| 08:38.32 | Davey | which is ]. |
| 08:38.44 | Industrial | string.sub |
| 08:38.57 | beastathon | Hey, I'm having a little trouble making a button image. I'm trying to insert a custom blp onto one of my buttons, but when I do, it comes up with a green box. I'm stuck for what to do and any help would be greatly appriciated, thanks. |
| 08:39.14 | SP|Sorren | either your file is missing |
| 08:39.19 | SP|Sorren | or its invalid |
| 08:39.21 | Inside | string.sub, you can specify an index from the end. |
| 08:39.22 | SP|Sorren | to get the green box |
| 08:39.30 | beastathon | How would it be invalid? |
| 08:39.32 | Inside | string.sub(1,-2) will copy from 1 to -2 from the end, I think |
| 08:39.33 | beastathon | size? |
| 08:39.45 | SP|Sorren | it could just not be a valid blp |
| 08:39.49 | SP|Sorren | ./shrug |
| 08:39.54 | Arrowmaster | umm how are you getting ]. as the last two characters of chat_msg_loot |
| 08:40.08 | Inside | hmm c_c |
| 08:40.18 | beastathon | It was a .jpg, then I saved it as .tga in gimp, then converted it to BLP with a converter. |
| 08:40.18 | Arrowmaster | it should be r. as the last two |
| 08:40.21 | Inside | He's getting [charactercodes for items lolololl]. or something |
| 08:40.36 | Arrowmaster | yeah but that doesnt end with ] |
| 08:41.19 | Inside | Well, he must think he's getting a string that has [] in it instead of an object code, I assume? I don't know. |
| 08:42.15 | Arrowmaster | well hes not going to get that, hes going to get something like "You receives loot: |cffffffff|Hitem:3927:0:0:0|h[Fine Aged Cheddar]|h|r." |
| 08:42.41 | Inside | Indeed. |
| 08:42.42 | Davey | ya got that now |
| 08:42.53 | Davey | yeah Arrow |
| 08:42.57 | Davey | thats right |
| 08:43.22 | Davey | how would i be stripping that to just the name in the brackets? |
| 08:43.27 | Davey | minus all the formatting |
| 08:43.38 | Inside | Well, from the end of the string, find the first [ |
| 08:43.49 | Inside | and then using that index, copy everything until the ] after |
| 08:43.53 | Caeryn | hahaa today is a bad time to find a bug with the wow2.0 syntax :P |
| 08:43.59 | Caeryn | crap |
| 08:44.02 | Inside | uh-oh |
| 08:44.02 | Inside | what? |
| 08:44.06 | Davey | ? |
| 08:44.10 | Corrodias | you broke WoW! |
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| 08:44.18 | Davey | how to do that Inside? |
| 08:44.21 | Inside | hold on |
| 08:44.39 | Davey | Hitem bit is like for an ID |
| 08:44.46 | Davey | theres no defined length |
| 08:44.59 | Davey | could be 3, 4 or 5 digits long. or even less |
| 08:45.01 | Inside | right, that's why you search from the end of the string to find the first "[" |
| 08:45.13 | Davey | hm not sure what that means sorry |
| 08:45.17 | Inside | um. |
| 08:45.19 | Caeryn | PanelTemplates_TabResize for UIPanelTemplates.lua, line 37, if (tab) ... else tab = this; end; (so tab is now nil),... later on it goes tab:GetName() |
| 08:45.32 | Inside | Actually, or from the beginning. |
| 08:46.11 | Arrowmaster | if i were you i would just use Deformat and pull out the item link |
| 08:47.03 | Davey | deformat? |
| 08:47.04 | Corrodias | why would tab be nil after that? |
| 08:47.28 | Corrodias | it's impossible to leave that IF structure without tab being assigned to something other than nil |
| 08:47.43 | Corrodias | this cannot be nil |
| 08:48.00 | Arrowmaster | deformat is a library to make reading formated strings easyer |
| 08:48.13 | Caeryn | woops you are right! |
| 08:48.17 | Inside | begin, end = string.find(item_name, "[%[%]]"); |
| 08:48.24 | Caeryn | guess its time to sleep when i make a mistake :( |
| 08:48.34 | Inside | item_str = string.sub(item_name, begin, end); |
| 08:48.53 | Inside | wait. wait. |
| 08:49.03 | Corrodias | have a nice night |
| 08:49.09 | Inside | you too |
| 08:50.04 | Davey | ya giving eror |
| 08:50.06 | Davey | error* |
| 08:50.39 | Inside | http://rafb.net/paste/results/gaMRaE20.html |
| 08:50.40 | Inside | I Think ~_~ |
| 08:51.06 | Nargiddley | string.match(item_link,"%[(.+)%]") is what you want |
| 08:51.18 | Nargiddley | will return the name of the item out of the link |
| 08:51.56 | Inside | or that |
| 08:51.56 | Inside | ;O |
| 08:52.04 | Nargiddley | hm might be string.find still in live, cant remember which of the functions they changes the name of |
| 08:52.13 | Nargiddley | thats the pattern to capture the name tho |
| 08:52.16 | Inside | (._+) looks like a badly abused emoticon. |
| 08:52.19 | Inside | >_. |
| 08:52.26 | Arrowmaster | i thought it was gmatch |
| 08:52.41 | Nargiddley | match works in beta, just tested it |
| 08:53.50 | |FF|Im2good4u | i think it should be "%[(.-)%]" |
| 08:53.59 | ckknight | item_link:match("%[(.-)%]") |
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| 08:54.06 | |FF|Im2good4u | incase u got multiple itemlinks in the string :P |
| 08:54.37 | Nargiddley | and yeah, forgot about the string meta table goodness |
| 08:55.07 | zenzelezz | chat_msg_loot only lists one item at a time |
| 08:55.28 | |FF|Im2good4u | ofc it just depents on wut message u are parsing |
| 08:55.47 | zenzelezz | as far as I know that's the message he's been talking about all along |
| 08:55.56 | Arrowmaster | LOOT_ITEM_SELF and LOOT_ITEM_SELF_MULTIPLE |
| 08:56.03 | |FF|Im2good4u | yet i think - will be faster to search since it doesnt have to seach the hole string fo the last ] |
| 08:56.18 | Arrowmaster | aka You receive loot: %s. and You receive loot: %sx%d. |
| 08:56.40 | |FF|Im2good4u | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:56.55 | Arrowmaster | the multiples been in for a while |
| 08:57.00 | Arrowmaster | those arent events |
| 08:57.05 | Arrowmaster | their globalstrings |
| 08:57.17 | Elkano | unfortunatly, multiples only work for new stacks iirc... at least sometimes :/ |
| 08:57.31 | Davey | Interface\AddOns\GatherStats\GatherStats.lua:24:attempt to call field `match' (a nil value) |
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| 08:57.41 | |FF|Im2good4u | lol |
| 08:58.41 | |FF|Im2good4u | i think u should use lol = string.find(item_link,"%[(.-)%]") |
| 08:59.05 | |FF|Im2good4u | ehh imean lol = select(3,string.find(item_link,"%[(.-)%]")) |
| 08:59.27 | Arrowmaster | wait now |
| 08:59.46 | |FF|Im2good4u | oke ill go back @ my school owkr :P |
| 09:00.06 | Thunder_Child | 1am, shutdown touchdown |
| 09:01.36 | Arrowmaster | grr where the hell did that post go, i know there was a string. function in 2.0 that was like string.find but only returned the last value |
| 09:01.38 | jaxdahl | well |
| 09:01.39 | jaxdahl | that's that |
| 09:01.40 | jaxdahl | i quit |
| 09:02.01 | Nargiddley | Arrowmaster, string.match is that |
| 09:04.01 | Thunder_Child | yay, time to wipe my interface folder |
| 09:04.19 | Inside | nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 09:04.19 | Inside | :< |
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| 09:04.48 | Thunder_Child | i have over 200...it's time |
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| 09:05.22 | Inside | Wow. |
| 09:05.30 | Davey | well |
| 09:06.36 | Inside | well? |
| 09:06.48 | Inside | is a deep subject. |
| 09:07.03 | Thunder_Child | bad pun |
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| 09:07.08 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Inside |
| 09:07.25 | Inside | :P |
| 09:07.27 | Davey | http://wowi.pastey.net/3059 |
| 09:07.37 | Inside | er |
| 09:07.40 | Davey | the highlighted line is the line that the scrips is erroring |
| 09:07.56 | Inside | hmm |
| 09:08.11 | Inside | you need to change lines 3-4 to "You recieve loot" |
| 09:08.22 | Inside | and in line 5, why do you start at 30 c_c? |
| 09:08.32 | Inside | and why -3? |
| 09:08.34 | Davey | thats the beginning of the item |
| 09:08.45 | Davey | should have been 29, -2 |
| 09:08.49 | Davey | i was testing something |
| 09:08.54 | Davey | same result |
| 09:09.06 | Inside | "You receives loot: |cffffffff|Hitem:3927:0:0:0|h[Fine Aged" 0_@ |
| 09:09.09 | Davey | it gives the item link without the full stop |
| 09:09.18 | Davey | [item name] instead of [item name]. |
| 09:09.23 | Inside | Are the beta servers up or not? |
| 09:11.31 | nymbia | item links have more fields now, Inside |
| 09:11.40 | Davey | this one works |
| 09:11.41 | Davey | http://wowi.pastey.net/3061 |
| 09:11.44 | Davey | but |
| 09:11.45 | Inside | Talk to Davey :o |
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| 09:12.06 | Davey | it just gives me the item link |
| 09:12.21 | Davey | just need to strip the link now |
| 09:12.39 | Davey | ok removing the commented line - line 4 |
| 09:13.00 | Davey | yup error |
| 09:13.23 | Davey | Interface\AddOns\GatherStats\GatherStats.lua:22:attempt to call field `match' (a nil value) |
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| 09:13.44 | Davey | line 22 because there is more to the script than just those 6 lines i pasted |
| 09:13.56 | Nargiddley | match is only in wow 2.0 afaik |
| 09:14.15 | Davey | i did wonder |
| 09:14.25 | Davey | is there any way i can use that function a different way? |
| 09:14.33 | Davey | without match, but still strip the link |
| 09:14.34 | Arrowmaster | change it to _,_,item_name = string.find(item_link,"%[(.-)%]"); |
| 09:14.43 | Nargiddley | that |
| 09:14.56 | Nargiddley | which i was beaten to heh |
| 09:15.13 | Miravlix | Wait guys |
| 09:15.20 | Miravlix | Its gmatch and gfind? |
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| 09:15.32 | ckknight | gfind is gone |
| 09:15.32 | Nargiddley | those are to iterate over all matches |
| 09:15.37 | ckknight | gmatch replaced it |
| 09:15.40 | nymbia | Davey: you want just the item id? |
| 09:15.52 | Nargiddley | item name |
| 09:16.00 | Thunder_Child | ckknight, offhand do you know if big wigs and CT play well together? |
| 09:16.10 | Arrowmaster | Thunder_Child, they do |
| 09:16.15 | Davey | YAY, thanks Arrowmaster |
| 09:16.18 | Davey | that worked |
| 09:16.22 | Thunder_Child | k, thanks |
| 09:16.25 | ckknight | Thunder_Child, I don't use either |
| 09:16.27 | ckknight | :-P |
| 09:16.34 | Davey | i dont know yet nymbia |
| 09:16.35 | Davey | lol |
| 09:16.35 | Thunder_Child | lol |
| 09:16.45 | Miravlix | Oh wait |
| 09:16.54 | Miravlix | Someone is trying to get BC code to run in live wow |
| 09:16.56 | Davey | what i need to do next would determine that |
| 09:17.01 | Thunder_Child | GG ck, go to the corner |
| 09:17.03 | Miravlix | This is all upside down |
| 09:17.22 | Davey | first i need to find out how they permanently store data values |
| 09:17.38 | Arrowmaster | what data |
| 09:17.40 | Davey | in stats addons for example like mobinfo 2 |
| 09:17.53 | Davey | well |
| 09:18.09 | Davey | i need to determine what the item is, if its an item i am counting, then it counts it |
| 09:18.20 | Arrowmaster | youll want the itemid then |
| 09:18.26 | Davey | LOL.. |
| 09:18.27 | Thunder_Child | ck did wowace just take a nose dive? |
| 09:18.30 | Davey | after all that! |
| 09:18.38 | Davey | how would i go about that? |
| 09:19.01 | Arrowmaster | you can get the itemid from an itemlink using string.find |
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| 09:20.32 | Davey | how? sorry |
| 09:20.32 | Arrowmaster | that i dont exactly know, i dont remember the pattern to use |
| 09:20.34 | Nargiddley | _,_,itemid = string.find(item_link,"item:(%d+)") |
| 09:20.34 | nymbia | dunno what everyone uses, but the one i use is local _, _, id = string.find(link, "^.*item:(%d+)") |
| 09:21.02 | Nargiddley | close enough hehe |
| 09:21.06 | Miravlix | the .* is a bit weird? |
| 09:21.21 | Miravlix | Why would it be "somethingitem:398478734"? |
| 09:21.56 | Nargiddley | yeah but its only the number right after the item: you're after |
| 09:22.04 | nymbia | Miravlix: it's always got characters before it if it's part of a hyperlink. i remember adding that for some reason, just cant recall exactly why. |
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| 09:22.16 | Nargiddley | it isnt fixed to the start of the string unles you want it to |
| 09:22.28 | jaxdahl | you can take out ^.* |
| 09:22.53 | jaxdahl | that matches the beginning of the string and 0 or more of any character |
| 09:22.57 | Miravlix | Simpler and faster pattern? |
| 09:23.51 | Davey | ok |
| 09:24.05 | Davey | now i have the IDs i need some kind of database with two fields |
| 09:24.17 | Davey | 'itemid', 'count' |
| 09:24.31 | Davey | that was the biggest bit that scared me |
| 09:24.54 | nymbia | you need the count of the item based on the itemid? |
| 09:25.02 | Miravlix | Thats a table those is easy to work with |
| 09:25.10 | Davey | yeah each itemid has a unique count i need |
| 09:25.17 | Davey | there is one flaw however |
| 09:25.31 | Davey | i need it to be certain IDs only |
| 09:27.38 | Davey | im sorry for all the questions, i hope you can find patience with me |
| 09:27.51 | Arrowmaster | youll want to have a table of the ids your looking for and do a for k,v pairs(table) then if v == id then ... end end |
| 09:28.03 | Davey | this is my first addon, and its pretty much put me in the deep end |
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| 09:28.38 | Davey | and most of these things im not sure how to do |
| 09:28.55 | Davey | some are ok, grasped them fairly ok because i programmed before in PHP and a tiny bit of C++ |
| 09:29.06 | Davey | but this is a new syntax |
| 09:30.26 | Davey | like Arrow, what you just said. i have no idea how to begin doing that lol |
| 09:30.35 | Davey | *me noob* |
| 09:30.59 | Arrowmaster | well first its just a for loop through a table |
| 09:31.09 | Davey | yup |
| 09:31.39 | Arrowmaster | and for every v (value) in the table you do an if v == id |
| 09:31.46 | Davey | i think i saw a table of IDs in another script |
| 09:31.49 | Davey | it looked messy |
| 09:32.00 | Davey | not sure how to lay it out either |
| 09:32.38 | Arrowmaster | table = { 12345, 12346, 12347, 12348 } |
| 09:33.09 | Davey | so you need two of those tables? |
| 09:33.14 | Nargiddley | if its just a table with id -> count |
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| 09:33.20 | Thunder_Child | someone who is bored go post here http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=52935825&sid=1 |
| 09:33.24 | Nargiddley | i'd probably go with table[id] = count |
| 09:33.40 | Davey | narg so like |
| 09:33.43 | Nargiddley | then to get the count for an item its just read table[id] |
| 09:33.44 | Arrowmaster | no that would just be a table with the itemids your wanting to track |
| 09:34.03 | Davey | table = { 12345 = 1, 23456 = 7, 3456 = 100 } |
| 09:34.03 | Davey | ? |
| 09:34.09 | Nargiddley | no it would have a count for each itemid |
| 09:34.28 | Davey | where are you storing the count then? |
| 09:34.41 | Nargiddley | in the table |
| 09:34.49 | Nargiddley | the key is the itemid, the value is the count |
| 09:35.05 | Davey | in arrowmaster's example? |
| 09:35.13 | Nargiddley | ah |
| 09:35.24 | Arrowmaster | my example was just for a table of the items you want to monitor |
| 09:35.29 | Davey | oh |
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| 09:36.01 | Nargiddley | even so, if just doing that, table[itemid] = true would be easier to check |
| 09:36.22 | Arrowmaster | for k,v pairs(table) then if v == id then count[k] = count[k] + 1 end end |
| 09:37.00 | Davey | something is missing there because i dont pick it up |
| 09:37.23 | Davey | maybe my brain cell:P but that is just not registering with me |
| 09:37.39 | Nargiddley | if table[id] then table[id] = table[id] + 1 |
| 09:38.01 | Nargiddley | set it to anything not nil if you want to track it, 0 by default i'd guess |
| 09:38.21 | Arrowmaster | our examples are messed up if you try to look at them together, were both using the same names for different things |
| 09:38.25 | Davey | the id, k |
| 09:38.45 | Arrowmaster | ok |
| 09:38.45 | Davey | im not sure how a table {} format has to go |
| 09:39.02 | Davey | can it go table { id = count, id = count } ? |
| 09:39.04 | Arrowmaster | for k,v in pairs(table) then ... end |
| 09:39.04 | Nargiddley | table = { key = value, key2 = value2 } |
| 09:39.09 | Davey | ohhhhhhhhhhh |
| 09:39.16 | Davey | that registers now |
| 09:39.32 | Nargiddley | if you do table = { value1, value2, value3 } |
| 09:39.54 | Nargiddley | its exactly the same as table = { 1 = value1, 2 = value2, 3 = value3 } |
| 09:40.29 | Davey | so for example copper ore is 2770 id |
| 09:40.40 | Davey | table = { 2770 = 20 } |
| 09:40.40 | Davey | ? |
| 09:40.57 | Nargiddley | that would create a new table with only copper in it, yes |
| 09:40.59 | Arrowmaster | ok two tables, monitor = { 2770 = true } and count = { 2770 = 20 } |
| 09:41.13 | Nargiddley | why bother |
| 09:41.19 | Nargiddley | 20 is true |
| 09:41.23 | Nargiddley | 0 is true |
| 09:41.30 | Nargiddley | nil is false (not in the table) |
| 09:41.43 | Davey | does this go in the LUA file yes? |
| 09:41.48 | Davey | or a new file? |
| 09:41.55 | Arrowmaster | for k,v in pairs(monitor) then if v == ture then count[k] = count[k] + 1 end end |
| 09:41.59 | ckknight | { 1 = value1 } is a syntax error |
| 09:42.04 | ckknight | use { [1] = value1 } |
| 09:42.11 | Nargiddley | yeah was just looking up that heh |
| 09:42.18 | Arrowmaster | s/ture/ture |
| 09:42.21 | Arrowmaster | s/ture/true |
| 09:42.24 | Nargiddley | couldnt remember which things needed the [ ] >< |
| 09:42.27 | Arrowmaster | bah |
| 09:42.35 | Arrowmaster | for k,v in pairs(monitor) then if v == true then count[k] = count[k] + 1 end end |
| 09:43.15 | Nargiddley | monitor is redundant |
| 09:43.25 | Nargiddley | store a count (even 0) if you want to track it |
| 09:43.26 | Corrodias | PTR still seems to be up |
| 09:43.52 | Arrowmaster | ok yeah i know i was overlooking something |
| 09:44.09 | Arrowmaster | for k,v in pairs(monitor) then if id == v then count[k] = count[k] + 1 end end |
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| 09:44.34 | Warla | howdy |
| 09:44.43 | Warla | anyone know the toc number fot this patch? |
| 09:44.44 | zenzelezz | heya |
| 09:44.46 | Nargiddley | if counts[itemid] then counts[itemid] = counts[itemid] + 1 end |
| 09:44.47 | Arrowmaster | 20000 |
| 09:44.52 | Warla | like in BC? |
| 09:44.59 | Nargiddley | same thing, 1 table, no iterating over a whole table |
| 09:45.13 | Warla | so ##Interface: 20000 |
| 09:45.15 | Warla | ? |
| 09:45.20 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 09:45.35 | Warla | k sweet |
| 09:45.59 | Corrodias | fascinating |
| 09:46.06 | zenzelezz | are we getting "critical rating" and that stuff this patch, or is that not before BC? |
| 09:46.14 | Corrodias | they call it version 2.00.02 but the interface number is still 20000 |
| 09:46.25 | Corrodias | we get it in this one |
| 09:47.24 | |FF|Im2good4u | do we also get the cool new stats on your inventaory info ? |
| 09:47.26 | zenzelezz | hrm... not sure I like it. "423 Defense" was so much clearer |
| 09:47.38 | nevcairiel | get rating buster |
| 09:47.39 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 09:48.11 | Corrodias | fnow that i can finally test clad's Clique beta, i have found bug number one, although it works for hte most part |
| 09:48.16 | Davey | got the code but its giving an error |
| 09:49.29 | Davey | try the other way, sec |
| 09:50.17 | Davey | Arrowmaster |
| 09:50.27 | Davey | instead of monitor { 2770 = true } |
| 09:50.34 | Davey | can i do monitor { 2770 = 1 } |
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| 09:50.37 | Davey | 1 being true |
| 09:50.41 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 09:50.41 | Davey | less clutter |
| 09:50.49 | Davey | k |
| 09:50.52 | Nargiddley | lua is slightly diff than alot of languages |
| 09:50.59 | Nargiddley | anything that isnt nil is true |
| 09:51.09 | Nargiddley | 1 works |
| 09:51.49 | Wobin | hm |
| 09:51.53 | Davey | ya like in most language 0 or NULL is false |
| 09:51.56 | Wobin | anyone able to invite into CastSpell on hellfire? |
| 09:51.57 | Davey | and everything else is true |
| 09:51.57 | Davey | lol |
| 09:52.03 | Davey | even - |
| 09:52.04 | Arrowmaster | for the monitor table it just needs to have a value any value, my for loop never checks the value of monitor it just checks if the key exists which as long as 2770 doesnt = nil then it will exist |
| 09:52.29 | Kirov | lua is special |
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| 09:54.04 | ckknight | you people should get in the spirit: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=35665#post35665 |
| 09:54.23 | Arrowmaster | anybody else able to help him for a while, heroes just got done downloading and i really want to watch it |
| 09:54.39 | zenzelezz | a limerick :-o |
| 09:55.02 | zenzelezz | funny one too =) |
| 09:55.23 | Davey | Interface\AddOns\GatherStats\GatherStats.lua:30:`do' expected near 'then' |
| 09:55.38 | Corrodias | holy shit. http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=48686880&sid=1 |
| 09:55.57 | Thunder_Child | i prefer http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=52935825&sid=1 ck |
| 09:56.48 | ckknight | I can't post on WoW forums |
| 09:56.56 | Thunder_Child | oh, :( |
| 09:57.11 | ckknight | so I'll just think up more limericks and post on on wowi |
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| 09:58.52 | Kirov | anyone in this channel have access to the beta? |
| 09:59.10 | Thunder_Child | you know, guillotine made a loading tip replacement, maybe we should gather all of these up (after we are done) and shove them in that for a dev loading screen thing |
| 09:59.29 | ckknight | Kirov, I do |
| 09:59.54 | Davey | here is the codebin for that what i have |
| 09:59.55 | Davey | http://rafb.net/paste/results/ptI7rq70.html |
| 10:00.02 | Davey | that is giving me an error |
| 10:00.09 | Davey | nterface\AddOns\GatherStats\GatherStats.lua:30:`do' expected near 'then' |
| 10:00.33 | ckknight | Davey, use locals... |
| 10:00.51 | Nargiddley | for k,v in pairs(mon) do |
| 10:00.57 | Nargiddley | is the correct syntax as well |
| 10:01.32 | Corrodias | from what i understand, using locals will not cure your problem. it will just make him feel better. :) |
| 10:01.41 | Corrodias | maybe not, though. maybe locals actually have an effect here |
| 10:02.37 | Davey | Interface\AddOns\GatherStats\GatherStats.lua:35:attempt to concatenate field `?' (a nil value) |
| 10:02.38 | Davey | lol |
| 10:02.51 | Davey | after putting 'do' instead of 'then' |
| 10:03.06 | Davey | it wasn't a compiler error by the way |
| 10:03.09 | Davey | it was a runtime error |
| 10:03.22 | Davey | happened while i was mining the rock |
| 10:04.58 | Davey | something to do with the AddMessage command |
| 10:05.25 | Warla | lol |
| 10:05.33 | Warla | also noticed my website expired |
| 10:05.39 | Warla | i renewd it |
| 10:05.49 | Davey | i removed the last variable cou[item_id] and it worked fine |
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| 10:15.46 | Davey | nope really can't figure that one out |
| 10:16.19 | Davey | seems to not like accessing that table |
| 10:16.40 | Nargiddley | check that itemid isnt nil |
| 10:18.28 | Davey | it shouldn't be |
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| 10:18.42 | Thunder_Child | ckknightm do i have your permision to repost your limrics on wow's forums? |
| 10:18.50 | Thunder_Child | ckknight* |
| 10:19.12 | Davey | will this work? |
| 10:19.13 | Davey | if (item_id) then |
| 10:19.18 | Nargiddley | yes |
| 10:19.22 | Davey | thought so |
| 10:20.07 | Davey | how do i check not nil? |
| 10:20.20 | Nargiddley | if itemid then |
| 10:20.27 | Davey | would have thought it was something like |
| 10:20.28 | Nargiddley | is checking for non nil |
| 10:20.42 | Davey | oh sorry, i mean check for nil |
| 10:20.55 | Nargiddley | if not itemid then |
| 10:20.58 | ckknight | Thunder_Child, yes, just attribute them to me. |
| 10:21.03 | Thunder_Child | ofc |
| 10:21.31 | Davey | elseif (not item_id) then ? |
| 10:21.54 | Nargiddley | if you're doing what i think you're doing |
| 10:22.01 | Davey | lol |
| 10:22.08 | Davey | spitting something if it is nil |
| 10:22.19 | Davey | to be sure we're getting to that point |
| 10:22.22 | Nargiddley | if itemid then *dostuff* else *do stuff for if its nil* end |
| 10:22.26 | Davey | just a debugging procedure |
| 10:22.42 | Davey | ah ok |
| 10:22.55 | Davey | i wasn't confident enough to try that |
| 10:22.56 | Davey | lol |
| 10:23.12 | Nargiddley | well only 2 things in lua come out false, nil and false |
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| 10:24.26 | Davey | it's not getting to that debugging error message |
| 10:24.32 | Davey | its going straight to line 39 still |
| 10:24.38 | Davey | and giving the concatenate error |
| 10:25.49 | Davey | confusing |
| 10:26.08 | Davey | its having problems accessing the cou[item_id] |
| 10:26.13 | Davey | thats what is causing it |
| 10:27.33 | Nargiddley | just under where you extract the itemid from the link |
| 10:27.49 | Davey | is it okay for the table info to be in the script with that code? |
| 10:27.54 | Nargiddley | item_id = tonumber(item_id) |
| 10:28.25 | Nargiddley | the itemid you extract is "2770", table at the top has 2770 as a key |
| 10:28.44 | Davey | yes |
| 10:29.04 | Nargiddley | string vs number, subtle difference, but they arent the same |
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| 10:30.11 | Davey | ? |
| 10:30.31 | Nargiddley | the number 2770 is different to the string "2770" |
| 10:30.42 | Davey | OIC |
| 10:30.56 | Davey | so i have to convert the extracted item_id into a number format |
| 10:31.01 | Nargiddley | yeah |
| 10:31.01 | Davey | as it think it's a string format |
| 10:31.08 | Davey | gotcha |
| 10:31.18 | nymbia | it should type it correctly if you try to mathify it or anything like that |
| 10:31.34 | Kirov | tablename[1234] is an array table. tablename["1234"] is a hash table |
| 10:32.07 | Davey | hmm |
| 10:32.12 | Davey | its staying at 0 |
| 10:32.14 | Davey | the count |
| 10:32.16 | nymbia | a table can have both array-indexed and string-indexed values |
| 10:33.15 | Davey | ChatFrame1:AddMessage("Loot Gained: "..item_id..". Gained so far: "..cou[item_id]); |
| 10:33.31 | Davey | its like: Loot Gained: 2770. Gained so far: 0 |
| 10:34.26 | Kirov | Its actually saying 0? |
| 10:34.31 | Davey | yes |
| 10:34.39 | Kirov | then something else is wrong |
| 10:35.09 | |FF|Im2good4u | lol then cou[item_id] = 0 but it doesexist else it was nil :P |
| 10:35.12 | Kirov | For cou[item_id] to be 0, it must already exist as 0. |
| 10:35.21 | Davey | yeah |
| 10:35.25 | Kirov | if it didn't exist, you'd just get an error. |
| 10:35.29 | Davey | i had to initialize it as 0 |
| 10:35.35 | Davey | at the beginning of the script |
| 10:35.36 | Davey | lol |
| 10:36.02 | Davey | oh wait |
| 10:36.27 | Davey | no |
| 10:36.33 | Davey | i need to initialize it somehow |
| 10:36.38 | Kirov | why? |
| 10:36.46 | Davey | well it just gave me an error |
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| 10:37.14 | Kirov | (cou[item_id] or 0) |
| 10:37.28 | Davey | like this: cou = { [2770], [2835] } |
| 10:37.31 | Davey | that gives me an error |
| 10:37.39 | Davey | expecting = |
| 10:37.41 | Kirov | yes, it should. |
| 10:37.51 | Davey | so then i have to fill it with something ..? |
| 10:38.10 | Kirov | the entries need to _be_ something |
| 10:38.29 | Davey | but as has been said, if im filling it as 0 it's gonna be 0 |
| 10:38.37 | Kirov | cou = { [2770] }; is the same as saying I want to make cou[2770] = nil |
| 10:38.46 | Kirov | ie: delete it |
| 10:38.53 | Davey | ok |
| 10:39.18 | nevcairiel | anyone active who could move an addon to a different category on WoWI ? |
| 10:39.36 | Kirov | Davey - why are you trying to initialize it? |
| 10:39.36 | Nargiddley | you only want to create the table once, cou = { [2770] = 0 .... } replaces anything in cou with that new table |
| 10:40.00 | Kirov | Davey - what Nargiddley said. |
| 10:40.00 | Nargiddley | cou[2771] = 0 will just add the new entry in the table |
| 10:40.05 | Davey | so then how do you create the table? |
| 10:40.12 | Kirov | cou = {}; |
| 10:40.13 | Kirov | done |
| 10:40.13 | Nargiddley | cou = {} |
| 10:40.16 | Kirov | table created |
| 10:40.24 | Kirov | if you want to add or change an entry |
| 10:40.24 | Davey | k lemme try that |
| 10:40.33 | Nargiddley | cou[2771] = nil will remove an entry |
| 10:40.38 | Kirov | cou[number or "string"] = something |
| 10:40.57 | Nargiddley | could be anything really |
| 10:41.12 | Nargiddley | could index the table with functions if you really felt the need |
| 10:42.29 | Kirov | you could index the table with itself too. |
| 10:43.55 | Kirov | but, really, you should stick to numbers or strings |
| 10:44.01 | Nargiddley | yeah |
| 10:44.26 | Kirov | everything else is, basically, a string as well. |
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| 10:44.57 | Kirov | a jumble of seemingly random characters pointing to a peice of memory someplace. |
| 10:45.17 | Nargiddley | well thats all strings are as well |
| 10:45.33 | Nargiddley | that jumble is all thats ever compared |
| 10:45.46 | Kirov | any non-numbers are simply references to data someplace. |
| 10:46.44 | Kirov | be it function, table, frame, or string... but I think we lost Davey |
| 10:46.50 | Davey | its staying at 1 |
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| 10:47.06 | Davey | been trying to debug this. very nasty |
| 10:47.16 | Davey | its not going very well.. |
| 10:47.19 | Nargiddley | could i see the code again |
| 10:47.23 | Nargiddley | current version |
| 10:47.25 | Davey | ok |
| 10:47.56 | Kirov | cou[1234] = 1 will make it 1. cou[1234] = (cou[1234] or 0) + 1; will increment it, even if it doesn't exist. |
| 10:48.13 | Maldivia | so... is 2.0.1 upon us? |
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| 10:48.40 | Kirov | Maldivia - will be in about 9 hours once the servers come back. |
| 10:48.40 | Davey | http://rafb.net/paste/results/8D7XLV29.html |
| 10:49.22 | Maldivia | Kirov: ok, didn't know if they made a last-minute postponement |
| 10:49.37 | Kirov | Maldivia - if they have, it wasn't announced. |
| 10:49.58 | Nargiddley | ok i see it |
| 10:49.58 | Kirov | Maldivia - and major bugs haven't stopped them before ;) |
| 10:50.02 | Maldivia | heh |
| 10:50.23 | Nargiddley | it'll never count since its looking at the value out of the mon table, which is all 1, and never matches item_id |
| 10:50.30 | Elkano | and save your screenshots if you use ELP |
| 10:50.46 | Nargiddley | i dont think you need to loop through that table |
| 10:51.16 | Nargiddley | if mon[itemid] then *count it* end |
| 10:52.09 | Davey | so replace: |
| 10:52.19 | Davey | for k,v in pairs(mon) do |
| 10:52.21 | Davey | with: |
| 10:52.21 | Davey | if mon[item_id] then |
| 10:52.24 | Nargiddley | yeah |
| 10:52.50 | Nargiddley | and then you dont need the if item_id == v check |
| 10:53.29 | Kirov | http://wow.pastey.net/submit.php |
| 10:53.39 | Nargiddley | ok and 2.0.1 can be confirmed, just tried to connect and patching atm |
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| 10:53.57 | Kirov | er |
| 10:54.01 | Kirov | Davey - http://wow.pastey.net/3068 |
| 10:56.16 | Kirov | though, the chat message should probably be in the if ( mon[...] ) then statement else cou[] might be nil which would cause an error |
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| 10:59.05 | Tim | Is anyone else getting this error when updating to 2.0? |
| 10:59.06 | Tim | The file "C:\Program Files\World of Warcraft\Data\patch.MPQ" could not be renamed to "C:\Program Files\World of Warcraft\Data\patch.MPQ.Trash". (Conflict::ResolveConflicts/1) |
| 10:59.54 | Maldivia | i dont... but then again, I'm on EU, so dont have patch until tomorrow |
| 11:00.13 | Nargiddley | about 1/2 way through patching no probs yet |
| 11:00.29 | Maldivia | Tim: how much free disk ? |
| 11:00.37 | Tim | Maldivia, like.. 750G |
| 11:00.42 | Maldivia | Tim: have write right in that folder? |
| 11:00.50 | Maldivia | Tim: do the trash file already exist? |
| 11:01.17 | Tim | No |
| 11:01.50 | Davey | oh i forgot about that minescule detail lol |
| 11:01.53 | Maldivia | do you have the beta? |
| 11:02.01 | Davey | sometimes you get more than 1 item |
| 11:02.14 | Tim | no |
| 11:03.21 | |FF|Im2good4u | why would i need BC if alll talent and spells are already inside the patch :P |
| 11:03.40 | Maldivia | to get to outlands, and get to lvl 70 |
| 11:03.45 | zenzelezz | like... for the new content? |
| 11:03.48 | Maldivia | and use socketed items, become a jewelcrafter |
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| 11:03.59 | jaxdahl | and be a new race |
| 11:04.08 | |FF|Im2good4u | ah oke so that lal needs BC ? |
| 11:04.10 | jaxdahl | and spend 61 points in talents |
| 11:04.12 | |FF|Im2good4u | oke |
| 11:04.18 | jaxdahl | and be in ranked arena teams |
| 11:04.27 | |FF|Im2good4u | can non BC ppl enter the blood elf region ? |
| 11:04.27 | jaxdahl | and be in the new BG |
| 11:04.31 | Maldivia | nope |
| 11:04.32 | jaxdahl | |FF|Im2good4u, nope |
| 11:04.53 | |FF|Im2good4u | there is a portal to enter i saw but for the dranie there isnt any portal u can just walk on |
| 11:04.59 | jaxdahl | BE and draenei regions are part of the 'outland continent' |
| 11:05.14 | jaxdahl | |FF|Im2good4u, the boat is the 'portal' |
| 11:05.25 | jaxdahl | like going between EK and Kalimdor |
| 11:05.26 | Maldivia | internally speaking, that is :) |
| 11:05.33 | |FF|Im2good4u | lol ah yeh so u get dropped off in the midle of the sea :P |
| 11:05.46 | Maldivia | you'll get ported back to auberdine, I think |
| 11:06.13 | |FF|Im2good4u | oke |
| 11:09.56 | Davey | trying to parse the quantity of items picked up |
| 11:10.05 | Davey | i was hoping it would work, but it doesn't :S lol |
| 11:10.56 | |FF|Im2good4u | it should work |
| 11:11.39 | Davey | nah its giving me an error |
| 11:12.15 | Kirov | http://wow.pastey.net/3072 |
| 11:12.19 | Kirov | Davey - try that |
| 11:12.55 | Davey | string.match wont work |
| 11:12.58 | Davey | tried earlier |
| 11:13.15 | Davey | only in 2.0 or something ? |
| 11:13.21 | zenzelezz | it will work tomorrow |
| 11:13.26 | Davey | lol |
| 11:13.41 | Davey | whats different in the patch? |
| 11:14.02 | zenzelezz | they use lua 5.1, not 5.0 anymore |
| 11:14.19 | Davey | those things will still work though, surely? |
| 11:14.37 | Kirov | string.find will work |
| 11:14.39 | Davey | i don't think the format would change. just additional commands |
| 11:14.42 | Kirov | string.gfind won't |
| 11:14.59 | Davey | i dont use gfind |
| 11:15.04 | Davey | so im ok :) |
| 11:16.16 | Davey | will it work just changing that bin paste from string.match to string.find ? |
| 11:16.32 | Kirov | sorta |
| 11:16.33 | Davey | or is there other discrepancies? |
| 11:16.39 | ckknight | there are |
| 11:16.56 | ckknight | iterators no longer work on tables directly |
| 11:16.58 | Kirov | local _,_,item_count = string.find |
| 11:16.58 | Kirov | item_count = tonumber(item_count) |
| 11:17.22 | |FF|Im2good4u | wut so specail about string.match ? |
| 11:17.33 | |FF|Im2good4u | is it different then string.find ? |
| 11:18.23 | Kirov | string.find returns the start and end locations in the string that it finds the matched expression, then the part between the ()s if one or more exists. |
| 11:18.38 | Kirov | string.match returns only the text between the ()s |
| 11:20.30 | |FF|Im2good4u | oke thats useful |
| 11:21.47 | |FF|Im2good4u | Kirov IS $d+ new ? |
| 11:21.55 | |FF|Im2good4u | or is that a type on the pasty ? |
| 11:22.05 | |FF|Im2good4u | *typo |
| 11:22.28 | Kirov | typo |
| 11:22.53 | |FF|Im2good4u | k |
| 11:22.53 | Kirov | should be %d+ |
| 11:23.00 | Kirov | anyways, I'm going to head to bed |
| 11:23.09 | Kirov | night |
| 11:26.55 | Davey | not working |
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| 11:41.05 | Davey | lol |
| 11:41.16 | Davey | it works nice but theres just one prob |
| 11:41.27 | Davey | it resets every time you reload it |
| 11:42.28 | Davey | it's on a per session basis only |
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| 11:42.53 | Davey | i need it to be permanent |
| 11:42.54 | Davey | lol |
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| 11:48.20 | cladhaire | ZOMG CLIQUE DOESNT WORK WITH MY WOW |
| 11:48.31 | cladhaire | .... is the patch released yet? |
| 11:48.33 | cladhaire | no |
| 11:48.34 | cladhaire | then shutup |
| 11:48.37 | cladhaire | =) |
| 11:48.48 | cladhaire | brb shower |
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| 11:52.22 | zenzelezz | Davey: savedvariables |
| 11:53.05 | Davey | how does that work? sorry |
| 11:53.10 | MoonWolf | oh, the fun off 2.0 |
| 11:53.51 | zenzelezz | Davey: you basically put a line in your .toc that says which variables WoW should save between sessions. You'd likely put the table(s?) you're using, and they would overwrite the empty ones your scripts create by default |
| 11:53.58 | zenzelezz | think there's a good description on the wiki |
| 11:54.07 | Mery | http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Save_Variables_Between_Game_Sessions |
| 11:54.14 | zenzelezz | there you go |
| 11:54.27 | Mery | yeah I was searching while you were typing =) |
| 11:59.32 | Thunder_Child | think of something interesting to post and do so. http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=52935825&sid=1 & http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7113&page=1 |
| 11:59.36 | Thunder_Child | night all |
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| 12:17.42 | Jimdinventor | Good morning, folk. :-) |
| 12:17.52 | cladhaire | morning jim |
| 12:18.07 | Jimdinventor | Have a nice rest, Cladhaire. |
| 12:18.50 | Jimdinventor | Everything is updated on the JIM front. I'd like to offer testing assistance for the next two hours. (Presumably on the Beta, for anyone that is over there.) |
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| 12:19.20 | Jimdinventor | oops. Heh. Esc closes this window. |
| 12:19.28 | Jimdinventor | <-- still an IRC noob. |
| 12:19.57 | zenzelezz | depends on the IRC client =) |
| 12:20.05 | Jimdinventor | Trillian. |
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| 12:21.13 | Jimdinventor | Netcurse - hold on. I think I need to set something here |
| 12:21.14 | clad|sleep | whoops |
| 12:21.17 | clad|sleep | that was just wishful thinking |
| 12:21.18 | Davey | what's the format of the entire message with links in? |
| 12:21.24 | Jimdinventor | I'm getting warnings that I'm not registed. |
| 12:21.25 | Davey | can't seem to parse it properly |
| 12:21.28 | Jimdinventor | registered* |
| 12:21.29 | netcurse | oki |
| 12:22.03 | zenzelezz | Jim: on this IRC network they encourage people to register their nicks. If you don't, you can't send or receive private messages |
| 12:22.21 | JoshBorke | morning Jim |
| 12:22.45 | clad|work | Jimdinventor: you shoudl /msg nickserv help for more information |
| 12:22.53 | clad|work | there you can register and identify, so you can send and receive PM's. |
| 12:23.12 | Jimdinventor | It has given me a URL that I am reviewing for instructions. :-) |
| 12:23.26 | Jimdinventor | Good morning, Josh - thank you, everyone. |
| 12:23.54 | JoshBorke | ugh! 469 sy 492! |
| 12:24.10 | JoshBorke | s/sy/of/ |
| 12:32.27 | Davey | can anyone help me get a link out of the message: |
| 12:32.33 | Davey | "You create: [link]." |
| 12:33.02 | JoshBorke | any one have a link to a direct torrent file for the patch? |
| 12:33.03 | Davey | the length of the string is giving me grief |
| 12:33.52 | Jimdinventor | Yes, I have some of that code in Cooldown Pulse. One moment, Davey. |
| 12:34.45 | Davey | thanks |
| 12:35.28 | Jimdinventor | for itemlink in string.gmatch( "You create: [link]", "(.*%[" .. itemName .. "%].*)" ) |
| 12:35.28 | Jimdinventor | do -- code block end :-) |
| 12:35.39 | Davey | gmatch wont work. |
| 12:35.47 | Davey | like match didnt |
| 12:35.56 | Davey | i can only use find in this version |
| 12:36.03 | Jimdinventor | I messed up the "itemName" part anyway. |
| 12:36.09 | JoshBorke | why can you only use find? |
| 12:36.33 | Davey | im not with 2.0 |
| 12:36.38 | zenzelezz | you will be tomorrow |
| 12:36.41 | Davey | still 1.12 |
| 12:36.43 | zenzelezz | whether you want to or not |
| 12:36.57 | Davey | makes no difference i think i can still use that old bit |
| 12:37.48 | clad|work | later folks |
| 12:37.51 | clad|work | have fun today =) |
| 12:37.58 | jaxdahl | l8r |
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| 12:41.26 | Mery | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=52856070&sid=1 <- people get creative LOL |
| 12:43.33 | nymbia | lol |
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| 12:47.45 | Jimdinventor | Good day, ckk. |
| 12:49.38 | Mery | Jimdinventor: Usually when ckknight is in front of his computer while logging in he types "hey all" if thats not there chances are he is not =) |
| 12:50.11 | Jimdinventor | Oh yes? Very well. :-) |
| 12:58.02 | Wobin | ck also has a crappy connection |
| 12:58.10 | Wobin | ~emulate ckknight |
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| 12:59.07 | Cairenn|afk | rofl |
| 12:59.25 | Cairenn|afk | you guys are definitely having fun with the stress relief thread this time, aren't you? |
| 12:59.53 | Jimdinventor | *chuckle*. What cannot be said with a good limerick? |
| 12:59.55 | s|loup | it's the end of the world as we know it! |
| 13:00.19 | Cairenn|afk | well, they don't have to be limericks guys, but oh my, got me chuckling :) |
| 13:00.51 | zenzelezz | limericks have an innate ability to sound fun |
| 13:01.40 | Cairenn|afk | oh my, have you had a chance to read this one yet? http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=52935825&sid=1 #6 |
| 13:03.14 | Wobin | <3 Vallin |
| 13:03.23 | Cairenn|afk | that just rocks! |
| 13:03.32 | Elkano | Cairenn, mind changing cat for http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?s=&id=5101 ? |
| 13:03.40 | Cairenn|afk | move to? |
| 13:03.46 | Cairenn|afk | nm |
| 13:04.16 | Elkano | /hug Cairenn |
| 13:04.37 | Cairenn|afk | done |
| 13:04.55 | Jimdinventor | Quote the Ravenian: Awesome parody. |
| 13:07.17 | MoonWolf | Cairenn|afk, can i request the same for http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4470 |
| 13:07.44 | Cairenn|afk | okay, that one I will ask for a category preference |
| 13:08.22 | MoonWolf | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:08.36 | Cairenn|afk | done |
| 13:08.41 | MoonWolf | much thankies |
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| 13:08.47 | Cairenn|afk | welcome :) |
| 13:13.48 | Bleeter_ | great job of being AFK, Cairenn :P |
| 13:14.04 | Cairenn|afk | yeah, well |
| 13:14.41 | Bleeter | heh, anyways, just letting norgs and others know I've finished patching, heading to bed and will start testing in the morning |
| 13:14.48 | Wobin | oh hey americans, one thing I've always wondered. Just what is Half-n-Half, half n half of? |
| 13:15.03 | Cairenn|afk | considering crawling back into bed for another couple hours since it's still relatively quiet - I'd rather not run on only 4 hrs sleep this early into the insanity |
| 13:15.13 | Cairenn|afk | half "milk" half cream |
| 13:15.14 | Bleeter | thought I'd drop by here, see who was active, and pass on my regards and hopes for a painless week again |
| 13:15.20 | Bleeter | well, as painless as possible ;) |
| 13:15.23 | Cairenn|afk | thanks Bleeter :) |
| 13:15.28 | Wobin | Isn't that kinda creamy? =) |
| 13:16.26 | Cairenn|afk | at least, I'm presuming that is what it means |
| 13:17.31 | Cairenn|afk | someone explain to me why I always subconsciously want to put auction mods with tradeskill mods? |
| 13:18.13 | Bleeter | sell stuff, make dem golds! |
| 13:18.47 | Bleeter | driving the AH well is a skill in itself ;) |
| 13:22.27 | Jimdinventor | hehehe |
| 13:25.57 | Kirkburn | Heh, I like Gello's post: "The new UI discriminates against people with broken keyboards. For instance the 1 key on this keyboard hasn't worked in 6 months. The 2, 3 and 4 keys died soon after. If the 5 key goes I don't know what I'm going to do." |
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| 13:26.26 | Bleeter | HERES HOPING IT"LL FIX MY PROBLEM WITH SHIFT?CAPSLOCK ;) |
| 13:27.01 | Bleeter | gnight again, folks, and best of luck and may your code never leak ;) |
| 13:27.06 | Cairenn|afk | lol |
| 13:27.09 | Cairenn|afk | night Bleeter |
| 13:27.09 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 13:27.23 | Kirkburn | G'night |
| 13:28.08 | Kirkburn | Hmmm ... work, or get myself to 69 ... touch call |
| 13:28.15 | Kirkburn | Possibly even a tough call |
| 13:28.21 | MoonWolf | i think this is the largest amount of updates wowi has had on the same day ever. |
| 13:28.25 | Jimdinventor | Freudian slip |
| 13:28.29 | zenzelezz | now you're getting dirty Kirk |
| 13:28.38 | Kirkburn | \o/ |
| 13:30.31 | Cairenn|afk | MoonWolf: heh, probably |
| 13:30.39 | sylvanaar | the damage meter post needs some help, that guy didnt get any buy in... |
| 13:30.46 | Cairenn|afk | no other patch has broken *every* mod |
| 13:31.27 | zenzelezz | this patch isn't breaking every mod |
| 13:31.34 | sylvanaar | 1.6 was bad |
| 13:31.42 | Josh_Borke | morning! |
| 13:31.55 | Cairenn|afk | zenzelezz: yes it is, not a single mod out there will load without at least a TOC update |
| 13:32.14 | zenzelezz | doesn't count in my opinion |
| 13:32.26 | Cairenn|afk | still requires an update |
| 13:32.34 | zenzelezz | or a manual hack |
| 13:32.41 | zenzelezz | but the code may still run just fine |
| 13:32.48 | sylvanaar | that is more of a design decision than anything else |
| 13:32.49 | s|loup | toc will be 20000 or something else? |
| 13:32.55 | Kirkburn | Yeah but to Joe Public it's brokzor! |
| 13:32.57 | Cairenn|afk | yeah, but for the point MoonWolf was making, it stands |
| 13:33.05 | Kirkburn | 20000, yes |
| 13:33.06 | Cairenn|afk | s|loup: *nod* that's the right one |
| 13:33.14 | s|loup | ok |
| 13:33.31 | zenzelezz | I didn't see MoonWolf saying the patch would break all addons =) |
| 13:33.44 | MoonWolf | so |
| 13:33.53 | Kirkburn | If there's any patch ever that will stress the UI sites the most, it's this one :/ |
| 13:33.59 | MoonWolf | that does not chagne the truth of the statement. |
| 13:34.14 | Kirkburn | Argh! Semantics, people! |
| 13:34.38 | zenzelezz | we're computer people, we only see things one of two ways |
| 13:34.43 | sylvanaar | new Lua new client new rules |
| 13:35.11 | Kirkburn | :P |
| 13:35.59 | Industrial | <@Cairenn|afk> still requires an update |
| 13:36.02 | Kirkburn | sylvanaar, sounds likes your selling something :P |
| 13:36.05 | Industrial | not with TocUpdater.exe ! |
| 13:36.12 | Industrial | *cough* |
| 13:36.20 | Cairenn|afk | Industrial: *shudder* |
| 13:36.29 | Industrial | ^^ |
| 13:36.34 | Kirkburn | For the sake of all mankind, I hope no site is hosting a toc updater |
| 13:36.47 | Industrial | curse still does |
| 13:36.47 | MoonWolf | actualy, a lot of addons have no pairs of ipairs in iteraton loops |
| 13:36.52 | MoonWolf | breaking stuff anyway |
| 13:36.57 | Kirkburn | For the sake of all mankind, I hope no-one is downloading a toc updater |
| 13:36.59 | sylvanaar | this is like cnn during the war... |
| 13:37.10 | Industrial | sylvanaar: ? |
| 13:37.11 | MoonWolf | nobody laughed at the war. |
| 13:37.18 | Industrial | what war |
| 13:37.26 | MoonWolf | iraq indu |
| 13:37.46 | sylvanaar | yeah, it happend while your were playing wow |
| 13:37.55 | Kirkburn | Better than Fox ... possibly |
| 13:38.03 | *** topic/#wowi-lounge by Cairenn|afk -> 2.0 UI Changes http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6832 | http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#7 | Paste Code Here: http://wowi.pastey.net/ | Mod Author guilds on Hellfire (US) and on Tempest Keep (EU). CastSpell (A)/TargetUnit(H) | TBC Release Date 16 Jan 07 |
| 13:38.19 | Industrial | Oh, I dont consider that war. I only consider it invasion by america, but I guess that makes it a war. Silly people. |
| 13:38.20 | sylvanaar | for sure, fox = tellin it to ya how you like it |
| 13:38.33 | Industrial | make chars now war |
| 13:38.38 | Industrial | not* |
| 13:38.42 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 13:39.34 | sylvanaar | war has 3 letters vs invasion's 7+ therefore it was a war |
| 13:39.43 | MoonWolf | get 60 not iraq. |
| 13:39.47 | Kirkburn | I wonder if there are many WoW players in the Middle East |
| 13:39.58 | Thardal | they play WoW in real life |
| 13:40.06 | Thardal | shiites = horde, sunnites = alliance |
| 13:40.07 | Industrial | LOL BUBBLEHEARTH! |
| 13:40.09 | Kirkburn | Probably a fair bit of lag, but EU could be possible for them |
| 13:40.17 | Industrial | wheeeeee |
| 13:40.42 | zenzelezz | "invasion" is just the initial attack, "war" is when the second party fights back. It quickly became a war |
| 13:40.48 | sylvanaar | there were a few i knew on my old server that played from iraq - us army folks |
| 13:40.53 | Kirkburn | Industrial, American Football? |
| 13:41.10 | Industrial | you could say thats a war too |
| 13:41.12 | Industrial | :p |
| 13:41.24 | sylvanaar | Kirkburn: paladins? |
| 13:42.03 | Kirkburn | Us Brits, we don't need no shoulderpads when we play rugby, we ain't no pansies. =) |
| 13:42.14 | sylvanaar | no retort can match 'war' for its sheer brevity |
| 13:42.20 | Cairenn|afk | patch notes guys: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=35689#post35689 |
| 13:42.29 | zenzelezz | there are a number of Israeli players, that's middle east too |
| 13:42.39 | zenzelezz | Cairenn|afk: "official" final notes? |
| 13:42.46 | Thardal | goblins arent players theyre only npcs |
| 13:42.48 | Wobin | aye |
| 13:43.05 | Kirkburn | Oooh, request - is anyone able to do a diff on fonts.xml for me? |
| 13:43.10 | Cairenn|afk | zenzelezz: *nod* |
| 13:43.18 | sylvanaar | Fixed an issue where the Warlock spell "Death Coil" gained double the benefit from the talent "Shadow Mastery". |
| 13:43.23 | zenzelezz | Cairenn|afk: cheers :) |
| 13:43.40 | Kirkburn | My deathcoil wtf pwns now, nearing 1000 dmg |
| 13:43.42 | Cairenn|afk | just finished up downloading and updating on my machine |
| 13:43.58 | Industrial | some ppl hit 1000 white :P |
| 13:44.19 | Kirkburn | Doesn't give them 1000 back though does it ;) |
| 13:45.25 | *** topic/#wowi-lounge by Cairenn|afk -> Patch Notes: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=35689#post35689 | http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#7 | Paste Code Here: http://wowi.pastey.net/ | Mod Author guilds on Hellfire (US) and on Tempest Keep (EU). CastSpell (A)/TargetUnit(H) | TBC Release Date 16 Jan 07 |
| 13:45.27 | Kirkburn | I wish I was on a PvP server sometimes, it'd be nice to kill everyone in sight |
| 13:45.55 | sylvanaar | lol |
| 13:46.08 | Industrial | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=947675833062340527&q=warrior+rank14 |
| 13:46.49 | sylvanaar | i remember when warlocks were the worst class you could play (thats when i played one) its funny to hear people talk |
| 13:48.05 | zenzelezz | I'm surprised I bothered leveling my first char to 60 on a PvP realm, I hardly ever touched PvP myself (except for occasionally fighting back when being ganked) =) |
| 13:48.29 | Industrial | i never did any instance :p |
| 13:48.36 | Industrial | cept for WC/Deadmines for twink chars |
| 13:48.39 | Industrial | :> |
| 13:49.05 | zenzelezz | "Several weapons that are picks have been flagged as counting as a Mining pick as well." <3 |
| 13:49.13 | Industrial | :o |
| 13:49.16 | zenzelezz | although I'll miss my Mining Pick with Fiery Weapon |
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| 13:49.37 | Kirkburn | Same goes for the skinning knives, no? |
| 13:49.44 | sylvanaar | yeah |
| 13:49.51 | sylvanaar | save bag space |
| 13:50.16 | Kirkburn | And enchanting rods, too, I guess :) |
| 13:50.21 | zenzelezz | yes |
| 13:50.22 | sylvanaar | yep |
| 13:50.51 | sylvanaar | thats really nice i suppose - though you really only ever used 1 or 2 |
| 13:50.58 | grimman | Industrial: That's horrible stuff... I can't read anything except the crits. ;P |
| 13:51.24 | sylvanaar | grimman: that was the whole move = soundtrack + sct |
| 13:51.31 | grimman | Blurry blob hits blurrier blob in front of it! *gasp* the action, the excitement! |
| 13:51.42 | grimman | :) |
| 13:51.47 | sylvanaar | s/move/movie |
| 13:51.59 | sylvanaar | >< |
| 13:52.23 | grimman | I guess I'm spoiled with fairly high-res rogue movies. |
| 13:52.36 | zenzelezz | "Auto-loot may be enabled with just one click in the Interface Options." <--- "due to complaints for the gold farmers, we introduced a setting to their benefit" |
| 13:52.44 | zenzelezz | *from |
| 13:52.57 | grimman | But... it's already one click? |
| 13:52.58 | sylvanaar | wariors arent very tecnical lol, they run around and hit stuff |
| 13:53.30 | Industrial | well you only have Charge, Intercept and a CC shout |
| 13:53.42 | zenzelezz | grimman: nah... either two mouse clicks, or one mouse click + one keyboard key |
| 13:53.52 | zenzelezz | though I don't know how this auto-loot works |
| 13:53.55 | Kirkburn | I <3 auto-loot :D |
| 13:53.56 | grimman | Yes, one click... with an accelerator key. ;P |
| 13:54.11 | grimman | But I could learn to live with auto-"auto"-loot. |
| 13:54.13 | Kirkburn | You just right click the mob, and you're away |
| 13:54.25 | grimman | Does it work with pickpocketing? |
| 13:54.28 | zenzelezz | "Semi-charged items can no longer be placed in the Auction House." -- what's a charged item? |
| 13:54.35 | grimman | That's a major drag on the current live servers. |
| 13:54.40 | grimman | Current being in EU. ;P |
| 13:54.50 | Thardal | probably the 1 charge discombobulator ray scam |
| 13:54.54 | Thardal | or the wizard oils |
| 13:55.27 | Kirkburn | Wizard Oils have charges? |
| 13:55.35 | Thardal | always had |
| 13:55.42 | Kirkburn | Never used one =) |
| 13:56.00 | Thardal | nub :P |
| 13:56.16 | grimman | Indeed. |
| 13:56.22 | grimman | Even I as a hunter have used one. ;P |
| 13:56.26 | grimman | (<3) |
| 13:56.37 | Industrial | "this is 10% luck, blah blah" PISS OFF with that song :| |
| 13:56.48 | Industrial | everyone needs that in their video |
| 13:57.47 | zenzelezz | "Fixed an issue where players were re-taining talent based abilities even after re-training." -- I suspect they mean "retaining", not "re-taining" :-o |
| 13:58.02 | Industrial | and they all need to 'walk' out of the commanders place in org :| |
| 13:58.16 | Industrial | silly intros |
| 13:59.32 | grimman | Walking out of the barracks in Org can be fun. |
| 13:59.52 | grimman | If it's an alliance char killing tons of people in his/her path. ;P |
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| 14:00.41 | Jimdinventor | I have no idea what you folk are talking about, but it seems to be funny. Keep up the good work! |
| 14:02.03 | Industrial | Jimdinventor: you never watch wow videos? |
| 14:03.25 | grimman | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=648262298032191824 << Lovely rogue PVP vid. |
| 14:03.45 | zenzelezz | "Various graphical errors will be noticeable while viewing maps." -- I can't help but think "did they fix this, or do they mean it's still a problem?" |
| 14:04.51 | Kirkburn | I think it'll still be a problem |
| 14:05.10 | Kirkburn | It's the exact same wording they used before |
| 14:05.28 | Kirkburn | And anyway, I like taining my abilities :P |
| 14:06.50 | grimman | Hm... I suppose it's logical for you to tain them before re-taining them... but HOW? |
| 14:06.52 | grimman | :| |
| 14:08.04 | Kirkburn | I suggest we ask Tain |
| 14:08.22 | grimman | I doubt he'll tell if they have to patch it out. :( |
| 14:09.06 | zenzelezz | WTS 22 hours |
| 14:09.41 | zenzelezz | I'm somewhat excited about the new talents... but still such a long time away |
| 14:10.04 | grimman | Don't be daft. |
| 14:10.15 | grimman | There's no way in hell the servers will be up on time. |
| 14:10.29 | zenzelezz | we'll see |
| 14:12.45 | Jimdinventor | Trust the Blizzard. Love the Blizzard. Feel the Blizzard. |
| 14:13.18 | zenzelezz | well, my server's on a German data center, I'll lend my trust to the German workmanship |
| 14:16.01 | Elkano | "Failed in Germany." |
| 14:16.19 | Industrial | man you know what I miss in wow? |
| 14:16.22 | Industrial | dyes |
| 14:16.33 | Industrial | they should implement that, and have alchemists make them |
| 14:16.44 | zenzelezz | so you didn't have all tier 3 players looking the same? |
| 14:16.50 | Industrial | yeah |
| 14:16.50 | Mery | ok I never used clique, but clique does work with built in blizzard raid frames right? |
| 14:17.08 | Industrial | also you can have a whole guild dyed the same |
| 14:17.11 | Josh_Borke | Mery: yes |
| 14:17.14 | Industrial | kinda cool in wowld pvp |
| 14:17.17 | Industrial | world* |
| 14:17.28 | Industrial | and cmon who doesnt want to be the black ckight :P |
| 14:17.39 | Industrial | (black would always ebt he most expensive) |
| 14:17.59 | Industrial | Example: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9020931588986771290&q=dark+age+of+camelot |
| 14:18.00 | zenzelezz | looks like the patch broke Industrial's spelling |
| 14:18.23 | Industrial | Nah, it has always been broken |
| 14:18.25 | zenzelezz | dyes actually sound like a good idea, even if it is mostly because everyone goes for the same items in the ened |
| 14:18.46 | Industrial | watch the video youll see what I mean :D |
| 14:20.27 | Cairenn|afk | hahahhahahha |
| 14:20.33 | Cairenn|afk | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=52935825&pageNo=1 |
| 14:20.36 | Cairenn|afk | go slouken~ |
| 14:21.24 | zenzelezz | lol |
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| 14:21.29 | Legorol | just to check: US realms down, right? |
| 14:21.35 | Cairenn|afk | Legorol: *nod* |
| 14:21.40 | Cairenn|afk | patch notes are up on WoWI |
| 14:21.42 | Legorol | patch incoming? |
| 14:21.43 | Legorol | ok |
| 14:22.01 | Industrial | whats QQ |
| 14:22.06 | Legorol | channel topic is cool when your client shows it :) |
| 14:22.10 | zenzelezz | Industrial: cry |
| 14:22.13 | Cairenn|afk | eyes with tears |
| 14:22.14 | Industrial | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:22.15 | Industrial | ohh |
| 14:22.19 | zenzelezz | "QQ more nub" |
| 14:22.23 | Cairenn|afk | *nod* |
| 14:22.27 | zenzelezz | one of the few things I learned on US-Arthas |
| 14:23.37 | Nom- | *sigh* |
| 14:23.40 | Nom- | patch day is so boring |
| 14:23.46 | Jimdinventor | What <does> QQ mean? |
| 14:23.49 | VoidRaider | Morning |
| 14:23.51 | zenzelezz | ... |
| 14:23.56 | zenzelezz | we just told you Jim |
| 14:24.16 | VoidRaider | Quack Quack :P |
| 14:24.24 | Industrial | ohayou Voidu Raideru |
| 14:24.32 | VoidRaider | hey :) |
| 14:24.42 | Jimdinventor | Thank you, VoidRaider. English and visible explanations are much preferred. :-) |
| 14:24.48 | Industrial | lol that reminds me |
| 14:24.55 | Industrial | pantsu ! pantsu ! pantsu ! |
| 14:24.59 | Industrial | xD |
| 14:25.00 | VoidRaider | haha ^^ |
| 14:25.12 | zenzelezz | Jimdinventor: Cairenn's explanation was in plain English |
| 14:25.26 | Jimdinventor | When was it offered? 10 minutes ago? :-p |
| 14:25.37 | zenzelezz | <Industrial> whats QQ <Cairenn|afk> eyes with tears |
| 14:25.46 | Jimdinventor | ah, I see |
| 14:25.46 | zenzelezz | about 3 minutes ago |
| 14:25.50 | Josh_Borke | jim is so behind |
| 14:25.54 | Jimdinventor | Couldn't tie those two together |
| 14:25.54 | Josh_Borke | lol |
| 14:26.16 | Cairenn|afk | Jimdinventor: 11 lines before you asked, through to when you asked ;) |
| 14:26.52 | Jimdinventor | Hmmm. That meme's not going to catch on with me. They don't really look like eyes with tears. (Thanks, though.) |
| 14:27.03 | Josh_Borke | lol |
| 14:27.46 | zenzelezz | Jimdinventor: I agree about the lack of resemblance to what it's supposed to look like, but it is in surprisingly common use on US servers (from what I saw) |
| 14:28.01 | Jimdinventor | Speaking of which .. |
| 14:28.16 | Jimdinventor | ."imba" is another thing that WoW regulars seem to use like it's self-explanatory. |
| 14:28.21 | Jimdinventor | What the hell does that mean? |
| 14:28.25 | zenzelezz | imbalanced |
| 14:28.28 | Josh_Borke | imbalanced |
| 14:28.33 | Josh_Borke | i learned that only recently :-D |
| 14:28.41 | zenzelezz | sort of the American "uber" |
| 14:28.41 | Jimdinventor | Good grief. |
| 14:28.42 | Jimdinventor | Okay. Thanks. :-) |
| 14:28.50 | Nom- | anyone know if wowace is down for a reason (other than high load) ? |
| 14:29.08 | Josh_Borke | personally i hate all the stupid little things |
| 14:29.41 | Jimdinventor | Sorry, Nom. Don't know. @Josh: I don't mind them, or acronyms, as long as the first example is spelld out. :-) |
| 14:30.01 | Jimdinventor | "spelld" being the cool way of spelling "spelled", of course |
| 14:31.05 | Josh_Borke | guffaw! creating graphical configurations SUCK |
| 14:31.19 | zenzelezz | yup |
| 14:31.24 | Nom- | hmm |
| 14:31.34 | Nom- | anyone know if there's a working version of autobar for 2.0? :/ |
| 14:31.44 | Josh_Borke | Nom-: you can't have a real auto-bar while in combat |
| 14:32.14 | Nom- | can't do one-click for mana pots and gems? :/ |
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| 14:33.01 | Nom- | That's all it really does... |
| 14:33.04 | Josh_Borke | Nom-: you can as long as it is set up beforehand |
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| 14:33.37 | Jimdinventor | An auto-bar could conceivably function if you don't mind waiting for out-of-combat for it to switch contents. |
| 14:33.39 | Nom- | set up before-hand? autobar works by like changing out the mana pots in fight |
| 14:34.13 | Nom- | so you've got a single 'button' which gives you access to mana potions, gems on one line - health pots, healthstones on another |
| 14:34.23 | Nom- | it changes out the 'live' one based on cooldowns etc |
| 14:34.27 | Nom- | so that doesn't work any more? :/ |
| 14:34.32 | Josh_Borke | Nom-: i know what autobar is :-) the issue with 2.0 is that it can't change anything while in combat |
| 14:34.47 | Nom- | son of a ***** |
| 14:35.12 | Nom- | is there at least some way to have the popup thing like autobar had? |
| 14:35.18 | Nom- | so i can at least mouse-over and click the one i want to use |
| 14:35.22 | Maldivia | yes |
| 14:35.24 | Maldivia | still possible |
| 14:35.35 | Nom- | i guess that's the next best thing |
| 14:35.44 | Nom- | i liked just being able to press the magic mana button tho :( |
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| 14:37.19 | Nom- | you guys know what confab is, and if there's a new version? :) |
| 14:37.38 | Nom- | or can i copy/paste from what i'm using now |
| 14:37.45 | Josh_Borke | isn't confab a chat addon? |
| 14:38.09 | Nom- | yes |
| 14:38.18 | Nom- | modifies the chat frame essentially |
| 14:38.25 | Josh_Borke | what features did you like from it? |
| 14:39.04 | Nom- | modified chat frame |
| 14:39.12 | Nom- | and the moveable input box |
| 14:39.26 | Nom- | and mouse scrolling of course, but there's other mods to do that too |
| 14:40.17 | Nom- | i use a borderless chat frame with it and tint it a transparent dark gray so it's easier to read chat text |
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| 14:40.25 | Nom- | and set it to smallest font size too lol |
| 14:41.04 | Industrial | Im bored lets have a desktop showoff. |
| 14:42.42 | Josh_Borke | i'm using enlightenment 17 |
| 14:43.04 | Nom- | my desktop is very boring |
| 14:43.18 | Nom- | all my customization is in WoW, since that runs more than anything else on my system :P |
| 14:43.18 | zenzelezz | http://home.samsen.com/zenzelezz/dual.jpg -- my desktop in regular mode |
| 14:43.36 | Jimdinventor | <RalphWiggum>What's a desktop?</RalphWiggum> |
| 14:44.13 | Industrial | zenzelezz: whats the hp display:P? |
| 14:44.31 | zenzelezz | what do you mean, which mod? |
| 14:44.37 | Industrial | yes |
| 14:44.42 | zenzelezz | my own |
| 14:45.15 | zenzelezz | was a nice way to get started, and I didn't fancy using any of the existing, heavy ones |
| 14:45.48 | Industrial | I see |
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| 14:45.55 | Industrial | http://hellsblade.xs4all.nl:88/desktop.png |
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| 14:46.51 | zenzelezz | probably the thing I like the most about my HP/<rage/energy/mana> display is how the text follows the top of the bar... which at first was a side-effect of a mis-anchored fontstring =D |
| 14:47.11 | Industrial | lol :p |
| 14:47.56 | FtH|eagle | Anyone in here who is good with the new secure stuff and knows what can be done etc.? |
| 14:47.58 | Jimdinventor | Serendipity (the effect of a positive development, by accident) rocks. |
| 14:48.03 | sylvanaar | one would think that autobar would be possibe - without the 'scaling' feature where it picked the most efficient item |
| 14:48.20 | Nom- | hmmm |
| 14:48.28 | Nom- | Clique = Click-Casting for WoW 2.0 ?? |
| 14:48.40 | Nom- | I'm guessing you can't change the click-cast action in combat tho |
| 14:48.42 | Industrial | clique isnt new or anything.. |
| 14:48.58 | sylvanaar | since you can /use ManaPot /use BigManaPot |
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| 14:49.38 | Nom- | from the description it sounds like you could use it to just allow you to for instance click down the perfectraid window to decurse a group? |
| 14:49.50 | Nom- | or am i misunderstanding it |
| 14:50.03 | sylvanaar | if you only have one curative spell |
| 14:50.14 | Nom- | like a mage :) |
| 14:50.17 | sylvanaar | right |
| 14:50.27 | Maldivia | yeah, that's what click-casting is all about :) |
| 14:50.36 | Nom- | xlnt |
| 14:50.46 | Nom- | guess i'll be installing that then |
| 14:50.52 | sylvanaar | i use it - its great |
| 14:51.13 | Maldivia | hmm... Frame:CanChangeProtectedState() - is it true/false, depeding on if the frame is in lockdown mode or not ? |
| 14:51.27 | Nom- | still no new version of X-Perl Unit Frames from what I can see :/ |
| 14:51.37 | Nom- | oh yes there is *download* |
| 14:52.18 | Nom- | I get the feeling some of these are going to be a smidge buggy tomorrow |
| 14:52.19 | Nom- | oh well |
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| 14:56.06 | malreth | boooo.... my ubuntu server died |
| 14:56.31 | malreth | the hard drive went, "grrrrrrrrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee-- ka-click!" |
| 14:56.55 | sylvanaar | lol, been there this week already |
| 14:58.24 | Miravlix | Is it a bug that blizzard removed the 4 extra bars they gave us |
| 14:58.43 | zenzelezz | removed? |
| 14:58.47 | Miravlix | Im back to only have 1-6 |
| 14:58.51 | Miravlix | Instead of 1-10 |
| 14:58.55 | malreth | you've only ever had 1-6 |
| 14:59.05 | zenzelezz | my "extras" always seemed to store their actions to 2-6 |
| 14:59.20 | Miravlix | BarOptions used 1-10 |
| 14:59.29 | malreth | the default ui only used bars 1-6 |
| 14:59.33 | Thardal | 7-10 are the secondary bars |
| 14:59.40 | malreth | bars 7-9 were for stances |
| 14:59.44 | malreth | and 10 was unused |
| 15:00.03 | Jimdinventor | *nod* .. Druid Shapeshift and Rogue Stealth included. |
| 15:00.08 | Miravlix | I used to have stance bars on bottom left 1 and 2 |
| 15:00.25 | Miravlix | But I can't see a way to create that effect in BC |
| 15:00.28 | malreth | bottom left 1 and 2 were bars 5 and 6 |
| 15:00.48 | Miravlix | I know, we wrote BarOptions |
| 15:00.48 | zenzelezz | my standard UI conforms to what malreth is saying |
| 15:00.53 | malreth | sorry... bottom left and bottom right were bars 5 and 6 |
| 15:01.14 | malreth | but blizzard didn't take away any action ids, if that's what you're asking |
| 15:01.19 | Miravlix | But ChangeActionBarPage only accept 1 6 |
| 15:01.25 | malreth | oh |
| 15:01.31 | malreth | yeah |
| 15:01.49 | malreth | yes, those are the only values valid for that function |
| 15:01.52 | Eggi | for v,k in list do ... how should that look in the new wow? |
| 15:01.57 | Miravlix | That means I lost 1 bar |
| 15:01.59 | Maldivia | in pairs(list) do |
| 15:02.03 | malreth | for v,k in pairs(list) |
| 15:02.11 | Eggi | ah thx :) |
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| 15:02.18 | Miravlix | Druids use all bars, and has only 2 spares |
| 15:02.26 | Miravlix | In the old way |
| 15:02.43 | malreth | sorry, i guess |
| 15:04.44 | Miravlix | Doing ChangeActionBarPage(1-6) and I cant even find my 2 bars |
| 15:06.16 | Nom- | I *think* have enough addons to make it bearable |
| 15:06.21 | Nom- | going to really miss autobar :( |
| 15:06.22 | Miravlix | And I see no code for supporting changing Bottom Left Bonus Bar? |
| 15:06.35 | Miravlix | Without that my Druid loss 10 hotkeys |
| 15:06.36 | malreth | well, if they were on pages 7-10, then of course you wouldn't be able to find them using ChangeActionBarPage() |
| 15:06.43 | Miravlix | And becaome completely unplayable |
| 15:07.10 | malreth | Completely! |
| 15:07.10 | malreth | OHMYGOD! |
| 15:07.12 | Maldivia | then use an action bar replacement addon |
| 15:07.13 | malreth | oh wait, you're probably exaggerating. |
| 15:07.18 | Miravlix | No |
| 15:07.32 | Miravlix | he was bad off to begin with with BC changes |
| 15:07.39 | malreth | OHMYGOD! you mean it! COMPLETELY and forever and ever unplayable |
| 15:07.44 | malreth | might as well quit now |
| 15:07.48 | Nom- | lol have to download 3mb of data |
| 15:07.52 | Miravlix | Now hwo the fuck am I going to put cat/bear abilities on only 10 buttons? |
| 15:07.54 | Nom- | thank god for pre-caching |
| 15:08.07 | malreth | oh my god... he had to use 'fuck' that means he's serious! |
| 15:08.21 | malreth | because no one ever uses that word if they're not being serious |
| 15:08.22 | Miravlix | What an ass? |
| 15:08.27 | malreth | yep, that's me |
| 15:08.28 | Miravlix | Do you enjoy pissing on me or what? |
| 15:08.30 | malreth | get used to it |
| 15:08.59 | malreth | and actually, i don't enjoy it |
| 15:09.05 | malreth | it pains me inside every time i do it |
| 15:09.07 | Miravlix | Ive spend 3 years on this game and have a major problem and your just beind rude |
| 15:09.17 | malreth | i feel myself sinking further and further into dispair |
| 15:09.24 | malreth | the darkness... it envelops me |
| 15:09.34 | malreth | in the solitude, only there i find peace |
| 15:09.37 | Miravlix | Whats the point in this? |
| 15:09.49 | malreth | now... for one, your game is not completely unplayable |
| 15:09.53 | malreth | you will find a way to adapt |
| 15:10.01 | Miravlix | No I wont |
| 15:10.03 | malreth | there are still 120 action ids |
| 15:10.09 | Miravlix | They are all used |
| 15:10.12 | malreth | that means a total of 10 12 button bars |
| 15:10.16 | malreth | same as there always were |
| 15:10.21 | malreth | nothing's lost |
| 15:10.22 | malreth | nothing's changed there |
| 15:10.34 | Miravlix | I lost 20 action hot keys |
| 15:10.38 | Miravlix | I cant get to and use |
| 15:10.46 | malreth | then you are doing something wrong |
| 15:10.48 | Miravlix | Because we arent allowed to use page 1-10 |
| 15:10.59 | malreth | or you're going about it the wrong way |
| 15:11.02 | Miravlix | No, blizzard old system supported page 1-10 |
| 15:11.07 | malreth | it's a new UI and a new API |
| 15:11.12 | Miravlix | The new system only allows 1-6 |
| 15:11.17 | malreth | the old rules have to be unlearned and new ones picked up |
| 15:11.34 | malreth | do you understand? |
| 15:11.35 | Miravlix | Malreth Ive programmed for 3 years |
| 15:11.39 | Maldivia | WoW 1.x has 6 bars... a flaw in their system allowed you to access the 4 internal aswel |
| 15:11.40 | Miravlix | I know how things work |
| 15:11.42 | malreth | i don't care how long you've programmed |
| 15:11.44 | Maldivia | this flaw was fixed for 2.0 |
| 15:12.05 | Maldivia | to use all 10, you now have to use addons |
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| 15:12.07 | malreth | now just back away and be rational about it for a second |
| 15:12.16 | Miravlix | Why are you shitting on me like this? |
| 15:12.21 | malreth | to use more than 6 before, you had to use an macro or addon |
| 15:12.34 | Miravlix | What have I ever done to you to deserve you piss on my problem like this? |
| 15:12.46 | malreth | you cut my father and now i'm exacting revenge |
| 15:13.34 | malreth | oh... you know about the new set binding functions that allow you to bind spells to keys without needing to use an action button, right? |
| 15:14.07 | malreth | you're a programmer... go study the new API and the new features that were added... you'll find a new solution to your problem |
| 15:14.19 | Cairenn|afk | guys |
| 15:14.22 | Cairenn|afk | back down |
| 15:14.29 | Miravlix | What the hell am I doing |
| 15:14.36 | Miravlix | He is pissing all over me for no reason |
| 15:14.48 | zenzelezz | you're throwing fuel on the fire Mira |
| 15:15.05 | Miravlix | What fuel? |
| 15:15.10 | Nom- | yay about time |
| 15:15.20 | Nom- | finally no more resisting winters chill |
| 15:15.36 | Cairenn|afk | everyone take a deep breath and chill, we all know how on edge we are today, so everyone grab an extra portion of patience |
| 15:15.59 | Maldivia | Mira: bottomline is, it's not a bug that Blizzard removed the extra 4 bars, it was a but we had access to them in the forst place, via the ChangeActionBar functions |
| 15:16.05 | sylvanaar | from a fly on the wall perspective its a funny thing to get all worked up about |
| 15:16.17 | Cairenn|afk | may I present, for your reading pleasure: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=52935825&sid=1 and http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7113 |
| 15:16.36 | Miravlix | Im tired of it being okay to piss on people in ehre |
| 15:16.41 | Miravlix | Wtf is wrong with you people |
| 15:16.49 | zenzelezz | cool down already |
| 15:16.58 | zenzelezz | Cairenn already made it clear that that's not the case |
| 15:17.05 | Miravlix | No fuck that |
| 15:17.07 | Cairenn|afk | Miravlix: it isn't, hence my trying to get things to stop |
| 15:17.08 | Miravlix | Ive had enough |
| 15:17.08 | zenzelezz | ... |
| 15:17.15 | zenzelezz | and you wonder why people talk back? |
| 15:17.17 | Miravlix | It happends over and over |
| 15:17.21 | Miravlix | and nothing is done about it |
| 15:17.25 | sylvanaar | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:18.01 | Cairenn|afk | I've done it before and I'll do it again, stop, right now before I put the channel on +m to shut you all up - behave or leave, you guys know the rules |
| 15:18.15 | Cairenn|afk | and I don't have the time to babysit a bunch of prima donnas today |
| 15:18.42 | Cairenn|afk | I expect you guys to be *better* than end users, not worse |
| 15:18.54 | Miravlix | But they dont do better |
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| 15:19.07 | Cairenn|afk | and neither do you by blowing up right back |
| 15:19.10 | Miravlix | They have been doing this fucking shit to me eveyr time I have a major problem |
| 15:19.24 | Cairenn|afk | you already know the better way to deal with it - PM me and have me handle it |
| 15:19.25 | Maldivia | morning slouken |
| 15:19.36 | malreth | sit down, stranger... tell me your stories of valor. |
| 15:19.39 | zenzelezz | I think you exaggerate things Mira... and being so vocal about it makes people talk back |
| 15:19.45 | zenzelezz | wrong or right, that's how I've seen it |
| 15:19.51 | slouken | Well, once upon a time I was valerous... |
| 15:19.57 | slouken | valorous, even. |
| 15:19.58 | malreth | do tell |
| 15:20.20 | Maldivia | meaning... you're no longer? |
| 15:20.27 | slouken | ... and that's how I defeated the tentacled thing, won the girl, and lived happily ever after. |
| 15:20.30 | Miravlix | Whats up, Slouken? |
| 15:20.36 | malreth | astounding |
| 15:20.45 | sylvanaar | i was vanarious once, its close |
| 15:20.49 | slouken | Although every once in a while, she gets misty eyed and wishes I were a little longer and a little slimier. |
| 15:20.53 | slouken | What's up with that? |
| 15:20.56 | malreth | ever since becoming a ronin, i've seen and heard a great many things |
| 15:21.13 | malreth | never anything about tentacles.... |
| 15:21.27 | malreth | i'm intrigued... and aroused by your story |
| 15:21.38 | Maldivia | "defeated the tentacled thing", and vupti, I started thinking of Day of the Tentacle :) |
| 15:21.57 | Mery | same here haha |
| 15:22.18 | malreth | an entire day of tentacles? what a world! |
| 15:22.29 | slouken | oh, just one |
| 15:22.37 | slouken | but it was so long, it lasted the entire day! |
| 15:22.42 | Thardal | "you and what army?" |
| 15:22.45 | malreth | he must be a mighty warrior, then |
| 15:23.07 | slouken | lol |
| 15:23.40 | malreth | once, in defense of my former master, i held over a thousand samurai at bay from sundown to dawn |
| 15:23.42 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Miravlix (i=dragon@65.23.154.62) |
| 15:23.51 | Cairenn|afk | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:23.55 | slouken | really? |
| 15:24.02 | slouken | what happened then? |
| 15:24.16 | slouken | CRUSHZORZ! |
| 15:24.20 | Maldivia | he unpaused the game? |
| 15:24.20 | malreth | those that lived... killed themselves in defeat. |
| 15:24.26 | slouken | hah |
| 15:24.35 | zenzelezz | he would have so much fewer fights if he didn't keep such a holier-than-thou attitude |
| 15:24.37 | slouken | You just gave them a cuppa and sent them on their way? |
| 15:24.59 | malreth | they were good warriors and it was an honor to fight them |
| 15:25.34 | slouken | Hmm, given there were a thousand warriors, and ... what's your diameter? |
| 15:25.54 | malreth | but those days are gone... the samurai are no longer needed |
| 15:26.10 | malreth | the world changes and moves, but we still stand |
| 15:26.11 | slouken | .. let's say 1 meter, then I doubt you were actually holding more than oh, 70 or 80 at bay at any given time. |
| 15:26.31 | malreth | as does the leaves turn and the snow falls... |
| 15:26.44 | sylvanaar | well, benihanna is hiring i hear |
| 15:26.47 | malreth | and soon the sakura blossoms will appear |
| 15:27.57 | slouken | Physics is a leave upon the wind issuing from your bottom. ... hey, I should save that for later! |
| 15:28.08 | slouken | s/leave/leaf/ |
| 15:28.22 | slouken | hey, that worked! |
| 15:28.27 | slouken | ~pat purl |
| 15:28.33 | purl | ACTION pats purl and says "Nicely Done!" |
| 15:28.33 | sylvanaar | she likes you |
| 15:28.33 | malreth | sorry... I haven't eaten well lately. |
| 15:28.35 | FtH|eagle | Really noone who can help me with the secure casting stuff etc? :/ Just need some theoretical input |
| 15:28.39 | Mery | ~botsnack |
| 15:28.39 | purl | thanks, Mery |
| 15:29.01 | Maldivia | FtH|eagle: what was the question ? |
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| 15:30.11 | slouken | perl is a practical extraction and replication language |
| 15:30.38 | slouken | perl is a pompous erroneous rat-bastard lecher |
| 15:30.52 | Maldivia | heh |
| 15:30.54 | zenzelezz | that first one can be debated, but I know they like to claim that |
| 15:30.54 | slouken | oh right, purl |
| 15:31.05 | Mikma | ~botsnack |
| 15:31.05 | purl | Mikma: aw, gee |
| 15:31.14 | Mairelon | FtH|Eagle - what was the question? |
| 15:31.15 | slouken | ~botsnack |
| 15:31.15 | purl | :), slouken |
| 15:31.25 | FtH|eagle | I want to know if it's possible to cast a spell out of combat without using secure templates. And if not, if every parent of my button has to be secured as well. And just out of combat, don't want to cast anything in combat. |
| 15:31.46 | slouken | no, yes, ? |
| 15:32.00 | slouken | or yes, yes, ur? |
| 15:32.04 | Mairelon | The button has to be secure to cast - period. It will inherently cause your parent frames to become protected when you parent it |
| 15:32.14 | slouken | Remember that sage advice... "use your hand" |
| 15:32.43 | slouken | Mairelon is more wise than me. I will shut up before I reveal myself to be the offspring of a horse and a donkey. |
| 15:33.02 | slouken | rofl |
| 15:33.19 | Cairenn|afk | since when? |
| 15:33.20 | FtH|eagle | Just for clarification, I'm currently rewriting my xrs buff behaviour so that it works with 2.0 |
| 15:33.21 | slouken | and then I run my hand up your... oops, wrong channel |
| 15:33.57 | Cide | mhm! |
| 15:34.09 | slouken | Oh, Hi Cide, I didn't see you there! |
| 15:34.12 | Mikma | oh i like that baby i put on my robe and wizardhat |
| 15:34.14 | Mairelon | Is it a buff mod? You'll want to use a secure action button where the attributes (unit/spell) get set in the PreClick handler |
| 15:34.31 | Cide | slouken: You better watch it! |
| 15:35.10 | FtH|eagle | Buffing is a part of that addon, yes |
| 15:35.20 | Cairenn|afk | yeah, right, slouken all mature and stuff, suuuuure |
| 15:35.20 | Eggi | for x in string.find or for x in pairs(string.find)? |
| 15:35.30 | slouken | Okay, I'll be quiet and let the folks work. |
| 15:35.32 | foxlit | in string.find |
| 15:35.38 | foxlit | but you probably want something different |
| 15:35.45 | s|loup | string.find isnt any more is it? |
| 15:35.55 | Eggi | ? |
| 15:36.06 | s|loup | thaught it was now string.match |
| 15:36.09 | Mairelon | string.gfind Eggi |
| 15:36.42 | foxlit | Now, this is difficult, since EU test is dead and EU live isn't 2.0 |
| 15:36.56 | Eggi | http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1 has a string.find |
| 15:37.03 | Cairenn|afk | later slouken |
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| 15:37.10 | Industrial | :bufdo :%s/string\.find(/string.match(/g :w |
| 15:37.12 | foxlit | They might've changed gfind to gmatch |
| 15:37.12 | Industrial | :P |
| 15:37.23 | Eggi | gfind is gmatch imo |
| 15:37.24 | Mairelon | The only difference is that .find returns indices, .match doesn't |
| 15:38.20 | foxlit | for capture1, capture2 in string.match("Lovely bunch of coconuts","(%a+) (%a+)") |
| 15:38.26 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:39.17 | Mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BreodnwJtgQ |
| 15:39.18 | Eggi | sry... meant gmatch :x |
| 15:39.25 | Eggi | not find |
| 15:39.29 | FtH|eagle | Mairelon: What do you mean with that the parent frames become protected? So I can't move it anymore in combat etc.? |
| 15:40.44 | foxlit | FtH|eagle: you won't be able to show/hide, move them programmatically while in combat |
| 15:41.33 | Industrial | Mikma: *dance* |
| 15:41.41 | Mikma | Industrial: aye :) |
| 15:41.48 | FtH|eagle | and that's what I want to prevent. Those buttons should only work out of combat, so that I can move my main window in combat |
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| 15:43.07 | Industrial | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmo1ef7tVso |
| 15:43.07 | Mery | then you'd need to work around parenting (like having 2 sets of frames - one onlyunprotected one with the protected stuff) |
| 15:43.08 | Industrial | LOL |
| 15:43.16 | Industrial | note: hes holding an original half life cd |
| 15:43.32 | Maldivia | FtH|eagle: you want to move the frames around automatically, or just when the user drags them around ? |
| 15:43.55 | FtH|eagle | only when the user wants to |
| 15:44.03 | Maldivia | so the user drags them with the mouse? |
| 15:44.11 | malreth | ah... the villanelle... |
| 15:44.17 | FtH|eagle | yep |
| 15:44.27 | malreth | it's one of my favorite poetry forms |
| 15:44.31 | FtH|eagle | but not the buttons, the main frame |
| 15:44.40 | Maldivia | FtH|eagle: ok, protected frames can be dragged while in combat |
| 15:44.43 | Mairelon | FtH|Eagle - Oh - then they can be protected. And the way to smart cast OOC is: http://wowi.pastey.net/3076 |
| 15:45.24 | FtH|eagle | ok, this looks good :) |
| 15:46.46 | foxlit | Hm, can you hide protected frames based on user interaction? |
| 15:50.10 | Mairelon | Yes foxlit |
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| 15:53.45 | Industrial | http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=-9051152158971584167&hl=en |
| 15:53.53 | Industrial | lol. some dutch lewsers found a new dance |
| 15:54.56 | Industrial | http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=-4284120408512113066&hl=nl |
| 15:55.04 | Mery | " This disk doesn't have enough free space to install World of Warcraft. (More than 3.8 GB is required, but only 3.8 GB is available.) Please free up space. |
| 15:55.07 | malreth | Industrial: http://www.go-girly.com/go/1 |
| 15:55.11 | MoonWolf | indu, lol. |
| 15:55.36 | Josh_Borke | Mery: lol |
| 15:56.00 | Industrial | MoonWolf: pathetic. I found their webpage |
| 15:56.14 | Industrial | http://www.jumpgevaar.6x.to/ |
| 15:56.50 | MoonWolf | 16 en 17, stelletje kinderen. |
| 15:57.03 | malreth | oh my god... is that how white people are supposed to dance now? |
| 15:57.09 | MoonWolf | NO. |
| 15:57.11 | Nom- | well, to be fair |
| 15:57.18 | Nom- | it does say "more than 3.8 GiB" |
| 15:57.23 | MoonWolf | they are 16 and 17, and trying to impress their friends |
| 15:57.31 | MoonWolf | its not how anybody is going to dance. |
| 15:57.34 | Industrial | thats how dutch hardcore lewsers are supposed to dance |
| 15:57.38 | Industrial | lol. |
| 15:57.51 | Nom- | sleepage time |
| 15:58.08 | malreth | ok... well, go read girly... start now and don't... stop... |
| 15:58.23 | Industrial | malreth: lol a giant dildo. |
| 15:58.27 | Industrial | aw he quitr |
| 15:59.35 | TS|Skrom | O.o |
| 15:59.53 | TS|Skrom | wow see I am late reading this I know... but why did blizz make their own spell alert? |
| 16:00.09 | TS|Skrom | that seems... odd |
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| 16:01.14 | MoonWolf | ts, level the playing field |
| 16:01.29 | TS|Skrom | .... wasn't it already level? |
| 16:01.34 | TS|Skrom | load the addon or don't? |
| 16:01.38 | Josh_Borke | TS|Skrom: because the new spell events make it trivial and it's a way better system |
| 16:01.47 | MoonWolf | indeed |
| 16:01.58 | TS|Skrom | it's better then CECB? |
| 16:02.05 | Josh_Borke | no, the new spell system overall is better |
| 16:02.08 | TS|Skrom | oh hehe |
| 16:02.15 | Josh_Borke | UNIT_SPELLCAST_* |
| 16:02.36 | MoonWolf | everybody alway's knows who is casting what and how long its going to take. |
| 16:02.39 | TS|Skrom | that's fine and all, but an enemy spellbar just screams to me of something that should have remained in the realm of player made lol |
| 16:02.42 | MoonWolf | you can check distance |
| 16:02.43 | MoonWolf | etc |
| 16:03.04 | zenzelezz | TS|Skrom: why? |
| 16:03.10 | TS|Skrom | I don't know exactly |
| 16:03.17 | TS|Skrom | I guess I can't say anthing beyond "gut feeling" |
| 16:03.23 | TS|Skrom | lol |
| 16:04.04 | TS|Skrom | I really need to read up on some of the latest things. When I found out my healing addon was going to be trashed for good I kinda lost interest for a bit lol |
| 16:04.24 | Kirkburn | Y'know I have been wondering about this message for the last few hours from my Background Dler - "This download is not authorized" ... Then why the hell is it downloading it then, eh!? :) |
| 16:05.18 | Kirkburn | It's never good to become too reliant on addons |
| 16:05.52 | zenzelezz | think of all the poor guilds that have to revamp their recruitment posts now |
| 16:06.04 | zenzelezz | they all seem to have "must have CTRA and Decursive" in them |
| 16:06.11 | TS|Skrom | lol |
| 16:06.14 | TS|Skrom | is CTRA out? |
| 16:06.37 | TS|Skrom | or just the parts like EM? |
| 16:06.52 | grimman | I feel displaced. I left the computer for some reason ~2 hours ago... and this chat has changed. ;( |
| 16:06.52 | Josh_Borke | it's probably all the same |
| 16:06.55 | Kirkburn | http://www.ctmod.net/ |
| 16:07.16 | Nom- | they're holding off release of ctmod apparently |
| 16:07.19 | Kirkburn | Note the lack on downloads? :) Cide is working on it |
| 16:07.20 | Nom- | utnil they can test it all |
| 16:07.32 | TS|Skrom | Figured as much kirk :) |
| 16:08.20 | Nom- | I'm pretty sure they'll have it by the time I get home tomorrow...that's all that matters to me |
| 16:11.02 | TS|Skrom | Player pets will no longer attack CC'ed targets while in Passive mode. -- We can still force them to attack? or no? |
| 16:11.07 | Mery | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=52935825&sid=1&pageNo=2 lol @ Tauruse - seems like he didn't get the parody part if you know his opinion, but that makes the post somehow ironic |
| 16:12.14 | grimman | TS|Skrom: Sounds to me like that's a no... but wth, that doesn't make much sense honestly. |
| 16:12.28 | TS|Skrom | I sure hope not. |
| 16:12.34 | grimman | Unless players REALLY suck they won't send their pets on CCed targets. |
| 16:12.42 | TS|Skrom | I force my pet onto banished mobs in MC to build aggro so it smears my bird instead of a warlock on a break |
| 16:13.57 | TS|Skrom | I guess I can switch to defensive mode during those fights but I have a hard time remembering that haha |
| 16:15.03 | zenzelezz | I would be surprised if you couldn't tell them to attack CCed mobs; it sounds to me like something that should only affect the pet's self-target-selection AI |
| 16:15.31 | TS|Skrom | Well see that's the thing though. Pet's already break off attack when a mob gets CC'd |
| 16:15.48 | TS|Skrom | if my pet is on something in passive mode and it gets sheeped he stops attacking and returns to me |
| 16:16.03 | TS|Skrom | so I'm not sure yet |
| 16:16.24 | zenzelezz | I can understand that, but I still think it sounds reasonable that you could tell him that he was wrong and to go back to attacking it |
| 16:16.29 | TS|Skrom | hehe |
| 16:16.30 | Cide | CTMod 2 up for download - http://ctmod.net/ |
| 16:16.56 | TS|Skrom | you can now is what I'm saying. Why is there a patch message saying something that is already true... unless the patch message isn't what we think it is XD |
| 16:16.59 | TS|Skrom | hey cool cide :) |
| 16:17.36 | zenzelezz | cheers Cide |
| 16:18.39 | Fisker | What new features did you put in mailmod Cide? :o |
| 16:19.05 | zenzelezz | 1) Automatically mails CIde 50s each time you get within range of a mailbox |
| 16:19.14 | TS|Skrom | lol |
| 16:19.19 | Cide | Fisker: uh |
| 16:19.23 | Cide | not much |
| 16:19.29 | Fisker | hmm |
| 16:19.31 | Cide | some bug fixes |
| 16:19.38 | Fisker | pretty sure it said in the newposts there was something new in mailmod :o |
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| 16:23.16 | Cide | Fisker: a few new options |
| 16:23.39 | Cide | Fisker: you can hide all the confirmation boxes now, and you can have it block trades while the mailbox is open |
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| 16:33.14 | Ktron | morning |
| 16:33.54 | Ktron | Heh, I'll have to remember to get some guild invites on Hellfire later :) |
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| 16:48.36 | foxlit | Obviously they've purchased some new hampsters to power them |
| 16:49.12 | foxlit | s/hampster/hamster/ |
| 16:49.29 | cogwheel | both spellings are correct |
| 16:49.31 | cogwheel | :P |
| 16:49.41 | [Cu]Werik | Guys can you tell me the version number of the latest patch? |
| 16:50.07 | Saeris | 20000? |
| 16:50.08 | cogwheel | 2.0.1 |
| 16:50.19 | [Cu]Werik | nonono, 6xxx or 5xxx |
| 16:50.30 | cogwheel | ah ... build number... one sec... |
| 16:50.35 | [Cu]Werik | yar |
| 16:50.45 | SB1-Work | It ends in 08 :P |
| 16:50.48 | SB1-Work | *80 |
| 16:51.02 | Saeris | 6178 I think. |
| 16:51.18 | SB1-Work | That'd be the beta client |
| 16:51.32 | [Cu]Werik | that must be 2.0.2 |
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| 16:51.43 | SB1-Work | I remember this, because I was comparing beta to retail before I left to head to work |
| 16:51.44 | Corrodias | i've posted my own poem to the 2.0 patch stress relief thread |
| 16:51.52 | SB1-Work | current beta is -2 on current live |
| 16:52.18 | Kirkburn | So, er, 6180 |
| 16:52.21 | Ktron | Corrodias, I might need to hunt that down now |
| 16:52.33 | [Cu]Werik | ok thanks, 6180 it is |
| 16:52.40 | Neuro_Medivh | I have a patching issue, maybe you guys can help me with |
| 16:52.48 | Corrodias | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=52935825&postId=528316459 |
| 16:52.51 | SB1-Work | Just open the launcher, the version is displayed in the titlebar |
| 16:52.55 | Neuro_Medivh | my system crashed right at the end of installing the patch, and now every time I load WoW, it downloads the updater and restarts, but the patch refuses to install because it's already installed. |
| 16:53.10 | [Cu]Werik | yeah well, I'm not playing wow. I know its terrible, but doh:P |
| 16:53.28 | Corrodias | my launcher doesn't acknowledge that there's a patch to download |
| 16:53.37 | Neuro_Medivh | anyone know how I can revert the patch? |
| 16:53.39 | Corrodias | i'm still at 1.12 with no sign of it giving a damn |
| 16:53.47 | Kirkburn | Repair.exe? |
| 16:53.51 | Neuro_Medivh | tried that |
| 16:54.40 | cogwheel | The patcher actually changes the data in patch.MPQ so I don't think there's any easy way to revert it... :( |
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| 16:54.48 | Neuro_Medivh | sigh |
| 16:55.00 | Neuro_Medivh | which means I have to reinstall it all |
| 16:55.12 | cogwheel | :| |
| 16:55.15 | Corrodias | time for me to go to class. good luck, neuro |
| 16:56.42 | zenzelezz | if all else fails, you could open patch.mpq in a hex editor and mess it up, just to see if repair acts any different... though that doesn't sound very wise (nor likely to succeed) |
| 16:58.14 | Neuro_Medivh | odd, isn't there supposed to be a file common.MPQ in the data directory? |
| 16:58.42 | Caeryn | yes |
| 16:58.43 | Gryphen | i dont have one pre-patch |
| 16:59.34 | foxlit | Neuro: repair.exe? |
| 16:59.55 | Caeryn | ok so I have a <Button> widget that I made and <NormalText> is its text, when I this:SetText("foo"); and then later this:GetTextWidth(), I get 1 |
| 17:00.05 | Caeryn | not only do I get 1, the text doesn't show up |
| 17:00.15 | foxlit | <NormalFont |
| 17:00.22 | foxlit | is your answer. That killed me yesterday :) |
| 17:00.55 | foxlit | Change <NormalText to <NormalFont and it'll work -- I believe they changed in 1.11 (the fonts patch), and removed backwards compatibility in 2.0 |
| 17:01.01 | Caeryn | I will kill someone except foxlit who has been very useful |
| 17:02.02 | Caeryn | thanks mate |
| 17:02.07 | Corrodias | normaltext becomes normalfont. how simple. |
| 17:02.30 | foxlit | No problem, I found out through this channel as well. It's odd that it doesn't show up as a parse error in FrameXML.log |
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| 17:04.34 | Corrodias | what the heck was the purpose of Table.setn, anyway? |
| 17:04.53 | Caeryn | so second question foxlit, if I name that <NormalFont name="$parentText"> and then call PanelTemplates_TabResize(), i get a tabName error, basically getglobal( this:GetName() .. "Text" ) evaluates to false |
| 17:05.33 | Caeryn | i meant nil |
| 17:06.41 | foxlit | I'm not sure, let me look up why my tabs still work. |
| 17:07.22 | Corrodias | i'd like someone to update LinkWrangler, as it seems dead. basic editing seems to make it work perfectly in 2.0 -except- that the dressing room button is always disabled. :( |
| 17:07.29 | Caeryn | thanks fox |
| 17:08.28 | foxlit | Caeryn, are you sure you even need to declare that font? If you inherit from TabButtonTemplate, you get one for free, do you not? |
| 17:08.59 | foxlit | (or CharacterFrameTabButtonTemplate, whichever is more appropriate) |
| 17:09.32 | jaxdahl | morning |
| 17:11.03 | Caeryn | I didn't inherit TabButtonTemplate, I made my own :) |
| 17:11.06 | Caeryn | mornin |
| 17:14.04 | Caeryn | fox I figured it out, looked at the patch notes |
| 17:14.13 | Caeryn | ButtonText replaces NormalText |
| 17:14.21 | Caeryn | while NormalFont defines the font type of the NormalText |
| 17:15.08 | foxlit | Neat :) |
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| 17:17.11 | foxlit | They really shouldn't have pulled EU test a day early, now I have time but no 2.0 to test on. |
| 17:17.17 | zenzelezz | H-hour minus 6:40 |
| 17:18.14 | Caeryn | tbc beta is up still |
| 17:18.47 | jaxdahl | still over 3h40m to go til maint is officially over? |
| 17:18.50 | foxlit | No key |
| 17:20.00 | Corrodias | really? :o the US PTR is still up |
| 17:21.05 | foxlit | Guess I could try e-mailing to check the status of the eu batch, but there's really no reason to request a beta key for addon testing if 2.0 goes live tomorrow. |
| 17:21.18 | foxlit | "Error retrieving character list" on EU PTR. |
| 17:24.53 | Kirkburn | Wouldn't surprise me if they were going down now |
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| 17:25.45 | Kirkburn | The US and EU PTRs are together, so it would make sense to take the EU one down when you're doing the US one |
| 17:26.12 | sylvanaar | that ot its getting hammered |
| 17:27.01 | Caeryn | curse is being brought to its knees |
| 17:27.37 | [Cu]Werik | not yet |
| 17:27.40 | [Cu]Werik | :) |
| 17:28.03 | foxlit | [Cu]Werik: any idea where the switch to designate the default screenshot is hidden? :) |
| 17:28.18 | sylvanaar | upload another |
| 17:28.32 | [Cu]Werik | Can you select default screenshots?:) |
| 17:28.37 | sylvanaar | yeah |
| 17:28.45 | sylvanaar | when you upload one |
| 17:28.54 | [Cu]Werik | You are better informed than I am |
| 17:28.58 | foxlit | It's just odd that there are 5 screenshots listed for the addon, but "no screenshot" appears on the top |
| 17:29.14 | Caeryn | you know what's wierd? 0 downloads. i am a sad puppy |
| 17:29.22 | sylvanaar | it happened when they redid thier conversion |
| 17:29.26 | Caeryn | i feel a bit like an unwanted whore |
| 17:29.28 | [Cu]Werik | Downloads arent showing on the site atm |
| 17:29.34 | [Cu]Werik | but they are counted |
| 17:29.39 | SP|Sorren | Caeryn: lol |
| 17:29.49 | SP|Sorren | i felt somewhat the same when i saw that too >.> |
| 17:29.52 | sylvanaar | just delete one of your SS's and upload it again |
| 17:30.11 | Caeryn | amen brother |
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| 17:32.50 | jaxdahl | wtf |
| 17:33.01 | jaxdahl | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?s=&id=5101 , last updated 7/06 but marked as 2.0 compatible? |
| 17:34.06 | Xov_38 | I am designing a mod and I am running into trouble, I basically want to make a casting type bar as part of the addon. Event occurs that take X seconds and a bar fills to full over the corse of the amount of time. |
| 17:34.07 | jaxdahl | TOC in it is still 11200 |
| 17:34.29 | jaxdahl | Xov_38, you know there is a built in casting bar? |
| 17:34.35 | jaxdahl | for your target |
| 17:34.36 | Xov_38 | I get the LUA stuff but this XML stuff i just dont understand, could any one help me? |
| 17:34.40 | SP|Sorren | Xov_38: use a statusbar |
| 17:34.49 | SP|Sorren | take a look at blizzards casting bar code :P |
| 17:34.51 | Xov_38 | hmm... okay |
| 17:35.24 | Xov_38 | excuse my ignorence but where is that? |
| 17:35.47 | Xov_38 | wait. n/m, i think i found it |
| 17:36.25 | SP|Sorren | oof, one of those seizure inducing ads on curse |
| 17:36.30 | Antiarc | Go go Adblock. |
| 17:37.41 | Corrodias | aw... mapnotes seems to put my notes in the wrong zones |
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| 17:42.49 | jaxdahl | strike 2 for curse |
| 17:45.05 | foxlit | "We are sorry, there was an error processing your page. This is probably due to a server restart, hopefully, the website should be running again in a few minutes " |
| 17:45.09 | foxlit | Down and out |
| 17:45.16 | [Cu]Werik | tsk |
| 17:46.06 | jaxdahl | and there goes wowinterface |
| 17:46.15 | SP|Sorren | they're conspiring against you. |
| 17:46.36 | foxlit | Time to use a distributed torrent network to distribute addons :P |
| 17:48.05 | Cairenn | there goes WoWI? We're still up and running just fine, I just finished refreshing |
| 17:48.17 | cogwheel | ditto |
| 17:48.44 | [Cu]Werik | Yeah, wowi is working fine |
| 17:48.56 | jaxdahl | i got a timeout error once |
| 17:48.58 | [Cu]Werik | Now everyone will storm you guys:) |
| 17:49.10 | Kirkburn | I am such a dumbass, I keep going to the Inn in Shattrath to log out |
| 17:49.20 | Kirkburn | I keep forgetting it's a city :/ |
| 17:49.27 | End | lol |
| 17:49.50 | Neebler | Damnit! Heroes but no Prison break up for download on torrent sites. I sure hope they didn't go on a season break just like Lost did |
| 17:49.53 | jaxdahl | 2nd wowi timeout |
| 17:50.31 | Cairenn | meanwhile, I'm approving a mod ... we're up and running jaxdahl *confused* |
| 17:51.49 | jaxdahl | boooooooom |
| 17:51.59 | jaxdahl | There seems to have been a slight problem with the database. |
| 17:51.59 | jaxdahl | Please try again by pressing the refresh button in your browser. |
| 17:52.15 | jaxdahl | Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at www.wowinterface.com. |
| 17:52.40 | cogwheel | aaaaaaaand, down it goes... |
| 17:52.45 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 17:52.47 | Cairenn | just dropped |
| 17:53.12 | zenzelezz | Curse is giving me errors also |
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| 17:53.15 | jaxdahl | looks like someone updated necrosis ldc |
| 17:53.59 | [Cu]Werik | :( |
| 17:54.17 | Kirkburn | WoWI back again? |
| 17:54.18 | Neuro_Medivh | I still can't log into curse |
| 17:54.20 | Kirkburn | This is fun :P |
| 17:54.26 | Fisker | jaxdahl use internet explorer |
| 17:54.33 | Cairenn | yes we are |
| 17:54.45 | Cairenn | Dolby was fiddling with the server |
| 17:54.48 | jaxdahl | Fisker, are you joking me? |
| 17:54.52 | [Cu]Werik | worldofwar has problems as well:) |
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| 17:55.09 | zenzelezz | lol, all the addon sites suddenly crawling, eh? |
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| 17:55.26 | Fisker | no jaxdahl |
| 17:55.28 | Fisker | i never joke |
| 17:55.34 | Fisker | ever. |
| 17:57.18 | Kirkburn | IE7 is fine, lrn2browse :P |
| 17:58.03 | Fisker | I wanted to buy a place in one of the FF tv ads |
| 17:58.11 | Fisker | under the name of "Firefox sux" ofcourse |
| 17:58.21 | Fisker | but they were already bought |
| 18:00.01 | kergoth | hoooray IE, what other browser can equal windows when it comes to security holes? |
| 18:00.20 | Fisker | Firefox |
| 18:00.23 | Gryphen | probably firefox if people cared to hack it |
| 18:00.43 | [Cu]Werik | firefox is at least as insecure as ie |
| 18:00.44 | Fisker | Firefox had more security vulnerabillities than IE during the last year or so |
| 18:00.53 | [Cu]Werik | it was long ago when firefox was more secury:P |
| 18:01.06 | [Cu]Werik | s/secury/secure |
| 18:01.33 | jaxdahl | curse is running fast now |
| 18:01.48 | Gngsk | Kirkburn, which clearfont should I get for today? The one from 2.0 Beta UI section of WoWI? |
| 18:01.52 | Fisker | yeah the server came |
| 18:02.58 | Kirkburn | I'll update l8r, you can sue the 2.0 beta one for now |
| 18:02.58 | Kirkburn | *use! |
| 18:03.00 | Gngsk | k, cool |
| 18:03.03 | Gngsk | looks like wowi just went down though |
| 18:04.08 | Cairenn | Dolby-wowi is playing with the server is all |
| 18:04.26 | Fisker | The serverload experienced today will explode tomorrow |
| 18:04.33 | Fisker | When the real market goes online to update |
| 18:04.35 | [Cu]Werik | I hope not |
| 18:04.42 | Gngsk | Cairenn, there it is :) |
| 18:04.45 | [Cu]Werik | We are putting out 390 mbit now:P |
| 18:04.56 | Kirkburn | Cripes |
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| 18:08.44 | End | hmm, wowi -is- being pretty slow for me |
| 18:08.55 | ckknight | hey all |
| 18:08.59 | Elkano | well, patch day... |
| 18:09.02 | Cairenn | hi ckknight |
| 18:09.17 | End | yeah |
| 18:09.24 | End | it's still loading though :P |
| 18:10.16 | Fisker | so is us servers up yet? |
| 18:10.26 | Cairenn | not yet, not due for another 3 hrs yet |
| 18:10.42 | [Cu]Werik | Fun will start when they get up |
| 18:10.43 | jaxdahl | is there a 'home' for fubar on wowinterface? |
| 18:10.51 | Cairenn | jaxdahl: yup |
| 18:10.55 | Cairenn | sec |
| 18:12.10 | Cairenn | jaxdahl: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/cat86.html |
| 18:15.36 | jaxdahl | ty |
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| 18:17.28 | jaxdahl | hm, looking for a fubar package with the 'default' plugins |
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| 18:19.48 | Kirkburn | I have a copy of ClearFont good to go, but I really want to check the latest fonts.xml before I upload it |
| 18:19.58 | Kirkburn | Can anyone send me a copy? |
| 18:20.42 | Elkano | cladhaire, 2 whishes from me: SciTe-WoWI for lua51/WoW2.0 and some !repack <revision> trigger to repack a file from svn (to fix/update externals) |
| 18:22.17 | jaxdahl | Kirkburn, location? |
| 18:22.32 | Kirkburn | With all the other xml files? :P |
| 18:22.34 | Cairenn | Kirkburn haven't run the extractor yet, sorry |
| 18:22.43 | jaxdahl | in the mpq file? |
| 18:22.50 | Kirkburn | Yeah |
| 18:23.07 | cogwheel | O.o |
| 18:23.08 | jaxdahl | k, i'll let Cairenn do it |
| 18:23.12 | cogwheel | my extractor gave me an error |
| 18:23.23 | Cairenn | cogwheel: which did you use? |
| 18:23.30 | jaxdahl | ckknight, not all of your 2.0 updated fubar plugins are marked for 2.0 |
| 18:23.32 | cogwheel | The one for live |
| 18:23.42 | Cairenn | try running the beta one ... |
| 18:23.49 | Cairenn | I'm not going to have time any time soon |
| 18:24.10 | cogwheel | but that'll extract the beta... |
| 18:24.24 | MoonWolf | [Cu]Werik, is that measurement in seconds |
| 18:24.25 | MoonWolf | i hope not. |
| 18:24.28 | Kirkburn | What fun :P |
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| 18:24.50 | [Cu]Werik | yea |
| 18:25.12 | MoonWolf | yea as in yes its seconds ? |
| 18:25.15 | [Cu]Werik | yes |
| 18:25.32 | [Cu]Werik | 8 servers are up atm afaik |
| 18:25.41 | MoonWolf | out of ? |
| 18:25.47 | [Cu]Werik | 14 |
| 18:26.48 | *** join/#wowi-lounge [Liquidor] (n=chatzill@port227.ds1-sg.adsl.cybercity.dk) |
| 18:26.52 | [Cu]Werik | it's sick |
| 18:27.06 | [Liquidor] | Hi everyone |
| 18:27.11 | MoonWolf | no kiding. |
| 18:27.44 | Cairenn | hi [Liquidor] |
| 18:27.44 | Jimdinventor | I have a question about Curse-Gaming. Is there anyone looking at this room that knows about "Labels"? |
| 18:27.57 | [Liquidor] | So how's 2.0 having effect on your raids, you US players? :) |
| 18:27.58 | [Cu]Werik | I do, apparently |
| 18:28.27 | Jimdinventor | Great, Werik. :-) I'll Private-Message you. |
| 18:28.29 | sylvanaar | its making everyone download addons |
| 18:28.41 | [Liquidor] | sylvanaar: oh yeah also that :P |
| 18:30.05 | Caeryn_ | [Liquidor]: the servers are just coming back up and its right in the middle of a workday |
| 18:30.12 | Caeryn_ | [Liquidor]: so I don't think anyone quite knows yet |
| 18:30.28 | [Liquidor] | Caeryn: Oh yeah I forgot you got diff time zones |
| 18:30.47 | jaxdahl | servers are up? |
| 18:31.11 | ckknight | jaxdahl, gah. |
| 18:31.25 | jaxdahl | <Caeryn_> [Liquidor]: the servers are just coming back up |
| 18:31.28 | jaxdahl | ckknight, just 2 |
| 18:31.34 | jaxdahl | micromenu and ammofu iirc |
| 18:31.39 | MoonWolf | can you tell me what servers ? |
| 18:32.02 | zenzelezz | does anyone know if the talents we will see tomorrow match the ones on http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/underdev/burningcrusade/warrior/talents.html ? |
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| 18:32.12 | MoonWolf | try the wowhead talents |
| 18:32.16 | [Cu]Werik | I don't know the specifications |
| 18:32.26 | MoonWolf | they are usually more accurate then blizzards |
| 18:32.33 | jaxdahl | no servers appearto be up |
| 18:32.36 | [Liquidor] | Well I know at least that Vampiric Touch is leet ! |
| 18:32.45 | zenzelezz | MoonWolf: got a link for them? |
| 18:32.45 | Thunder_Child | bah |
| 18:33.11 | [Liquidor] | You think ppl will be able to clear Naxx in 2.0 ? |
| 18:33.15 | [Liquidor] | ...right away, that is. |
| 18:33.19 | jaxdahl | yes. |
| 18:33.20 | MoonWolf | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent-bc |
| 18:33.22 | zenzelezz | I just noticed that the tooltip on the Anticipation talent has twice the value per point compared to what it does on 1.12 :-o |
| 18:40.00 | Jimdinventor | Is there an administrative member of Ace here? I am interested in learning about an Ace AddOn named "Abacus". *grin* |
| 18:40.22 | Josh_Borke | Jimdinventor: lol, what's up? |
| 18:40.50 | Jimdinventor | A naming conflict, apparently! I also have an AddOn named Abacus. I'm wondering what 'yours' does. Maybe I can name mine better. |
| 18:41.03 | kergoth | JIM_Abacus kicks ass. |
| 18:41.15 | Jimdinventor | hehe ... Thanks, Kergoth. :-) |
| 18:41.18 | kergoth | :) |
| 18:42.51 | Josh_Borke | Jimdinventor: i'm not the author, just curious |
| 18:43.24 | Jimdinventor | Alright. That's too bad. I tried to look it up on the Ace site, but I think the link is dead. |
| 18:43.25 | Josh_Borke | Jimdinventor: AbacusLib>--A library to provide tools for formatting money and time. (ckknight) |
| 18:43.39 | Jimdinventor | ckknight! I love that guy! |
| 18:43.42 | Josh_Borke | to be used by mod developers it appears |
| 18:44.25 | kergoth | at least the lib has lib in the name, its clear it isnt the same as jim's abacus |
| 18:45.15 | Jimdinventor | Yeah - and the Ace one being a library, it won't be in common use by the same people interested in JIM's Abacus - maybe. |
| 18:45.45 | kergoth | if they know enough to know what a lib is or how to use it, they'll be able to figure out the difference |
| 18:45.48 | kergoth | i'd hope, at least :P |
| 18:45.54 | Jimdinventor | :-) |
| 18:46.02 | Jimdinventor | Thanks for helping to clear up the mystery! |
| 18:46.06 | sylvanaar | its LoD too |
| 18:46.22 | ckknight | Josh_Borke, hrm? |
| 18:46.26 | Jimdinventor | <3 Load on Demand <3 |
| 18:46.29 | ckknight | Jimdinventor, hey, guy. |
| 18:46.38 | Jimdinventor | Hello, ckk! |
| 18:46.50 | kergoth | Jimdinventor, on another note, any idea why holding alt and dragging the atlasloot minimap icon doesnt seem to put it into abacus's control, the way it does for other buttons? |
| 18:46.57 | kergoth | seems like its preventing it in some fashion |
| 18:48.06 | Jimdinventor | I've not tried Atlasloot out, but let's see ... Is the frame a button, OR does it have OnEnter response? |
| 18:48.25 | Jimdinventor | Oh! And it needs to have a name. |
| 18:48.43 | Jimdinventor | Two requirements: Has a name, and responds to mouse input. |
| 18:49.09 | kergoth | aha |
| 18:49.12 | kergoth | makes sense, thanks |
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| 18:49.35 | Jimdinventor | You're welcome! |
| 18:50.01 | Jimdinventor | If I can make a conditional to include that one (and ones like it) later, I will. |
| 18:50.08 | Mike-N-Go | Well, did the addons freeze over? |
| 18:50.49 | Industrial | MoonWolf: Ik heb een grote (halve meter) speculaaspop hegad van sint :D jij? |
| 18:50.55 | Cairenn | Mike-N-Go: not any more than anyone expected |
| 18:51.03 | MoonWolf | Industrial, sokken. |
| 18:51.09 | Industrial | lol. |
| 18:51.26 | MoonWolf | maar ik mag 1k euro uitgeven aan pc upgrades volgend jaar. |
| 18:51.31 | Industrial | I LOLD IRL |
| 18:51.42 | Industrial | :3 |
| 18:51.46 | MoonWolf | februari. |
| 18:51.52 | MoonWolf | niet met sinterklaas. |
| 18:52.15 | Industrial | hm lekker :) die van mij was 1.5 maar ik had niks om te upgraden (alleen laptop) |
| 18:52.47 | VoidRaider | What language is it ? :P |
| 18:52.51 | Mike-N-Go | Don't all the interface versions need to be updated, for the addons? |
| 18:52.52 | jaxdahl | http://wow.curse-gaming.com/en/files/3/world-of-warcraft-2-0-0/ seems to be working faster than the rest of curse's site |
| 18:52.52 | Industrial | dutch |
| 18:52.57 | VoidRaider | ahh :P |
| 18:53.10 | Industrial | sounds like a cavetroll language? |
| 18:53.11 | Industrial | :D |
| 18:53.22 | Cairenn | no, read like dutch :p |
| 18:53.24 | VoidRaider | yeah pretty much haha |
| 18:53.53 | Industrial | man, 600fps. sick. its too much for the game |
| 18:53.54 | Caeryn|W | uber lieben glaben globen |
| 18:54.00 | Industrial | its actually affecting the engine |
| 18:54.12 | jaxdahl | Pong is running at 30fps.. |
| 18:54.13 | Industrial | my client has less grevity |
| 18:54.14 | jaxdahl | i wonder why.... |
| 18:54.20 | Industrial | gravity* |
| 18:54.33 | jaxdahl | oh yea, i haven't upgraded my hamster |
| 18:55.00 | MoonWolf | lol |
| 18:55.39 | Mike-N-Go | So, how does this all work? I thought that 2.0 was not going to be relived until january? |
| 18:56.00 | Cairenn | no, 2.0 is now, expansion is jan |
| 18:56.03 | Industrial | well basically |
| 18:56.05 | Industrial | its not |
| 18:56.06 | Industrial | the end |
| 18:56.07 | Industrial | :P |
| 18:56.10 | Mike-N-Go | Ahh |
| 18:56.11 | Gryphen | 2.0 != expansion |
| 18:56.33 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 18:56.53 | Maldivia | 2.0 is not the expansion... but the expansion is 2.0 :) |
| 18:57.06 | Cairenn | .2, actually ;) |
| 18:57.17 | Maldivia | well, current 2.0.2 :) |
| 18:57.17 | Jimdinventor | Many folk were using the terms interchangeably at the beginning. I know I was clueless.. ^_^ |
| 18:57.18 | VoidRaider | Mike 2.0 meant to be 1.13 |
| 18:57.39 | Cairenn | it may end up being higher, *nods at Maldivia* |
| 18:58.03 | Mike-N-Go | How can this be ::gasps:: |
| 18:58.13 | jaxdahl | is the max visible *buffs* on the player still 16? |
| 18:58.27 | VoidRaider | it was the patch they planned for 1.13 and decided to release it as 2.0 |
| 18:58.30 | Maldivia | the default UI only shows the first 16 |
| 18:58.42 | Maldivia | other addons can show as many as there are |
| 18:59.02 | Mike-N-Go | At least 40 can now be applyed.. |
| 18:59.09 | Maldivia | that's debuffs |
| 18:59.23 | VoidRaider | Shows only 16 ? :/ |
| 18:59.52 | Thunder_Child | lol slouken wrote a poem as well http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=52935825&pageNo=1&sid=1#12 |
| 19:00.12 | Maldivia | <Button name="BuffButton16" inherits="BuffButtonHelpful" id="16"> <-- max |
| 19:00.16 | jaxdahl | Mike-N-Go, 40 debuffs, i know that |
| 19:00.19 | Cairenn | yeah, he did :) |
| 19:00.21 | jaxdahl | but i'm more curious about buffs |
| 19:00.27 | Mike-N-Go | jaxdahl: Ok |
| 19:01.01 | Maldivia | jax: max buffs are atleast 40 - has always been |
| 19:01.19 | Mike-N-Go | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com is getting hammered, lol to much traffic. |
| 19:01.35 | Maldivia | jax: there was a bug in the game at one point, where all "Equips:" and enchants counted as buff, causing other buffs to get knocked off |
| 19:01.46 | cogwheel | and yet, for some reason, the forums are still plunking along... |
| 19:03.13 | Caeryn|W | Maldiva: all equips and enchants are still counted as buffs |
| 19:03.15 | jaxdahl | wowi's search blows |
| 19:03.19 | Caeryn|W | but not all buffs need to be shown |
| 19:03.42 | Mike-N-Go | jaxdahl: Is that a favorable, or unfavorable action? |
| 19:03.47 | Jimdinventor | Hmmm. Curse-Gaming down, WoW down - time for breakfast! |
| 19:03.48 | jaxdahl | unfavorable |
| 19:04.00 | jaxdahl | the default options anyway |
| 19:04.00 | Elkano | Caeryn, as long as the API doesn't return them... ;) |
| 19:04.20 | Jimdinventor|awa | Awa! |
| 19:04.24 | jaxdahl | it displays addons in ascending alphabetical order and includes compilations |
| 19:04.29 | Jimdinventor|awa | My name is too long :-( |
| 19:04.35 | Cairenn | so go to advanced search |
| 19:04.47 | jaxdahl | does the latest tinytip on wowace work? |
| 19:05.37 | Elkano | should, at least it did on TBC |
| 19:05.44 | Mike-N-Go | Night guys! |
| 19:05.56 | Cairenn | later Mike-N-Go |
| 19:07.21 | Maldivia | back to fixing addons... |
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| 19:09.06 | Cairenn | have fun Maldivia |
| 19:09.32 | Maldivia | Cairenn: haven't had a chance the last month, only had time today :) |
| 19:11.12 | Cairenn | life, don't ya just hate it when it interferes? |
| 19:11.38 | Maldivia | indeed |
| 19:11.40 | Jimdinventor|awa | I certainly do. That's why I'm eating Vector cereal instead. |
| 19:13.24 | Cairenn | ah ha! kiddo still has some halloween candy! /pilfer |
| 19:13.30 | Josh_Borke | lol |
| 19:13.40 | Jimdinventor|awa | *grin* |
| 19:14.43 | Jimdinventor | Hmm. |
| 19:14.48 | jaxdahl | perfectraid isn't being worked on at the moment, right? |
| 19:14.52 | Josh_Borke | wrong! |
| 19:15.07 | jaxdahl | k, i don't see one with a TOC of 20000 |
| 19:15.23 | Josh_Borke | because it hasn't been updated yet |
| 19:15.29 | jaxdahl | lot of my guildies use it and will want an update |
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| 19:15.52 | Josh_Borke | gj Kaelten ;-) |
| 19:15.53 | Cairenn | it isn't ready *yet* |
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| 19:16.09 | Cairenn | doesn't mean it isn't being worked on |
| 19:16.40 | Kaelten | lol |
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| 19:16.52 | Cairenn | Kaelten: spammer! |
| 19:16.57 | Kaelten | lol |
| 19:17.00 | Kaelten | in a private channel! |
| 19:17.01 | Kaelten | lol |
| 19:17.16 | Cairenn | and it wasn't even me! *sniffles* |
| 19:17.37 | VoidRaider | Gypsy updated ? |
| 19:17.55 | [Cu]Werik | Oo |
| 19:18.00 | Jimdinventor | oO |
| 19:18.05 | Cairenn | lol |
| 19:18.20 | [Cu]Werik | No comment on that |
| 19:18.59 | jaxdahl | VoidRaider, not that i have seen |
| 19:19.09 | VoidRaider | ah :| |
| 19:19.10 | jaxdahl | http://gypsymod.the-mad.net/ |
| 19:20.03 | VoidRaider | Well I'll wait still got time until the xpack :) |
| 19:20.16 | Elkano | is there anything in gypsy left that one might need? ;) |
| 19:20.24 | Gryphen | :o i forgot about gypsy |
| 19:20.44 | JoshBeWorking | 14:17 * Cairenn sobs, "He's giving his cyber to someone else now!" <-- can i quote that somewhere? |
| 19:20.48 | Jimdinventor | I'm waiting for Tom Servo and Crowwww to come out, personally. |
| 19:20.53 | VoidRaider | Well I used it for a long time and I guess I'm used to it |
| 19:20.55 | Cairenn | JoshBeWorking: rofl, no :p |
| 19:20.58 | Industrial | lol |
| 19:21.21 | VoidRaider | What Unit frames are you using ? |
| 19:21.46 | Industrial | < jaxdahl> lot of my guildies use it and will want an update |
| 19:21.46 | Elkano | pcuf |
| 19:21.59 | Industrial | the can want chat they want but that doesnt give them right :P |
| 19:22.02 | Industrial | they |
| 19:22.09 | Industrial | what |
| 19:22.14 | Industrial | >_> |
| 19:22.46 | Elkano | well, I used to use it, too ^^ and a hack of its buffbar made me create EBB |
| 19:22.55 | JoshBeWorking | Jimdinventor: what are you working on? (mod wise?) |
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| 19:23.06 | |FF|Im2good4u | i need to hurry and finish my mod for tomorrow |
| 19:23.54 | Jimdinventor | Well, I've become satisfied with the state of Abacus, Cooldown Pulse, Slash Commander, and Debugger (map button, cooldown, /commands, and debug managers, respectively) |
| 19:24.02 | VoidRaider | Do you know any unit frames that is similar to gypsy ? |
| 19:24.24 | Jimdinventor | so they're posted, and the next thing I'm going to do is develop Chaperone (a teammate locator inside instances) |
| 19:25.16 | jaxdahl | Jimdinventor, better make a proof of concept first... |
| 19:25.24 | jaxdahl | how do you plan on making that work? |
| 19:25.51 | Jimdinventor | *chuckle*. Trade secret? ... Well, actually, not much of one. I'm going to be using the minimap ping. |
| 19:26.00 | Industrial | ew :| |
| 19:26.14 | Industrial | wont that like spam the shit out of everyone? |
| 19:26.31 | VoidRaider | Well if gypsy won't release a new version I'm gonna write my own using their frames I guess :// |
| 19:26.35 | Jimdinventor | Not so ew! It actually doesn't create a visible or audible trace when you .... ping outside the dungeon's radius! *flourish* |
| 19:26.48 | Industrial | hm |
| 19:27.09 | Jimdinventor | It'll work. Trust me. :-) |
| 19:27.43 | Jimdinventor | It's such a good idea, ya gotta wonder if it's an exploit. |
| 19:28.14 | Davey | hi jim |
| 19:28.22 | Jimdinventor | Hello there, Davey. |
| 19:28.30 | Jimdinventor | How did the itemlink extraction go? |
| 19:28.33 | Davey | got your pm earlier, sorry. i was at a course at work |
| 19:28.41 | Jimdinventor | No worries. :-) |
| 19:28.55 | Davey | which one? |
| 19:29.26 | Jimdinventor | The very thing you were working on when you posed the question (that I PM'd about) earlier. |
| 19:29.35 | Kaelten | Cairenn: I'm afraid I could never cheat on you, after what we've had I'm spoiled *tear* |
| 19:30.12 | Jimdinventor | You two want us to corral all these people out of here, so you can find a table? :-) |
| 19:30.19 | Caeryn|W | You would never up up down down left right left right b a select start on Cairenn? |
| 19:30.48 | Cairenn | table, bed, counter, floor - it's all good |
| 19:31.51 | Davey | no i didnt get that sorted |
| 19:31.53 | Kaelten | lmao |
| 19:32.01 | Davey | i was working on it with you guys help for 5 hours this morning |
| 19:32.04 | Jimdinventor | JIM_sexPlatform = { anchor = "FLOOR" } Parent:away() |
| 19:32.11 | Cairenn | ROFL |
| 19:32.15 | Kaelten | well we all know the worst day of cair's life was when I got a local fiance |
| 19:32.22 | MoonWolf | Jim, that is .... efficient. |
| 19:32.47 | Industrial | < Jimdinventor> It's such a good idea, ya gotta wonder if it's an exploit. |
| 19:32.50 | Industrial | its on the edge |
| 19:33.02 | Cairenn | lol |
| 19:33.12 | Cairenn | yay for stress relief, lol |
| 19:33.19 | Jimdinventor | *nod* @ Industrial. |
| 19:34.55 | SP|Sorren | say, you're the cooldown pulse guy |
| 19:35.06 | SP|Sorren | i have to ask, does your mod still use the cdt frame? or did you junk it? |
| 19:35.06 | Jimdinventor | Guilty as charged. |
| 19:35.43 | Jimdinventor | It does! I forgot about that in the tussel, originally, but the latest version updated the DCT frame exclusively. |
| 19:35.52 | Jimdinventor | I gave it a cursory test, and it seemed to work. |
| 19:36.06 | Jimdinventor | oops. CDT. Heh. |
| 19:36.11 | Jimdinventor | Transposition typos. |
| 19:36.21 | SP|Sorren | interesting |
| 19:36.26 | SP|Sorren | i haven't touched cdt for nearly a year now |
| 19:36.34 | SP|Sorren | so i dont know how the latest version is working out lol |
| 19:37.02 | Jimdinventor | It did seem like someone picked up the ball for you. |
| 19:37.17 | SP|Sorren | yes |
| 19:37.26 | Jimdinventor | ... but it was a clean design, and better than what I wanted to do. Not junkable at all. :-) |
| 19:37.49 | SP|Sorren | i dont know if their latest version uses the group frame anymore |
| 19:37.54 | SP|Sorren | i really have to fix the BC version |
| 19:38.11 | SP|Sorren | that one's group frame doesn't work at all :( clicking the buttons does zilch |
| 19:38.12 | Jimdinventor | It's nice to see you again. Did you get the RL stuff accomplished that you were taking a step back for? |
| 19:38.23 | SP|Sorren | I am no longer flunking out. |
| 19:38.26 | SP|Sorren | (score!) |
| 19:38.27 | SP|Sorren | :P |
| 19:38.37 | Jimdinventor | That is excellent, in my books. |
| 19:38.42 | Jimdinventor | Good job. |
| 19:38.47 | SP|Sorren | its excellent in mine too. thanks |
| 19:39.36 | Jimdinventor | You were being fairly faithful with the updates of .... Hunter Timers, was it? |
| 19:39.44 | SP|Sorren | nah, kharthus picked it up |
| 19:39.47 | SP|Sorren | my guild got updates though |
| 19:39.53 | SP|Sorren | they'd poke me and get me to do a quick fix |
| 19:39.58 | SP|Sorren | and id throw it up for them :/ |
| 19:39.59 | Jimdinventor | *chuckle* |
| 19:40.15 | SP|Sorren | kharthus fixed up a version for the general public |
| 19:40.23 | SP|Sorren | i've written a new version for 2.0 though :/ |
| 19:40.54 | Jimdinventor | Alright. I'll pick that up. Cooldown Pulse doesn't watch anything like the Stings. |
| 19:41.14 | SP|Sorren | it should watch viper sting's new (atrociously long) cooldown though, right? :p |
| 19:41.29 | Jimdinventor | yeah, it does |
| 19:42.03 | SP|Sorren | they should have given it something to compensate for the long cooldown, imo |
| 19:42.09 | SP|Sorren | like mana leech, that'd be awesome. |
| 19:42.22 | SP|Sorren | but /shrug, i really can't complain about the state of the class overall |
| 19:42.43 | Jimdinventor | indeed. I upped my marksman build, and it was fine.. (I don't PvP though) |
| 19:43.12 | Bleeter | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:43.17 | Bleeter | *I disagree. |
| 19:43.27 | Jimdinventor | first time I dropped a freeze trap in combat, I thought - hold on, am I allowed to do that? *lol* |
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| 19:43.42 | Jimdinventor | saved my bacon in Forge Camp: Annihilator. |
| 19:43.49 | SP|Sorren | i thought freezing trap -> wyvern sting -> readiness -> wyvern sting was pretty neat |
| 19:43.57 | SP|Sorren | when i tried it |
| 19:44.18 | SP|Sorren | but i do have to admit i thought survival was the weakest build :/ |
| 19:44.24 | Bleeter | the way I looked at it, lost a bucket of dodge, nothing to make up for it |
| 19:44.25 | Jimdinventor | *nod* |
| 19:44.33 | SP|Sorren | it didn't have the omgwtf crits of marks, or the juggernaught move :/ |
| 19:44.38 | Bleeter | as a basic complaint |
| 19:44.48 | grimman | In-combat wyvern should be more than enough to make up for it. :P |
| 19:45.17 | Jimdinventor | Wyvern does its poison even if you are responsible for interrupting the sleep? |
| 19:45.21 | jaxdahl | looks like gatherer won't be updated for a couple weeks: http://gathereraddon.com/ |
| 19:45.27 | SP|Sorren | Jimdinventor: yah |
| 19:45.33 | SP|Sorren | but you can scorpid sting over it |
| 19:45.43 | SP|Sorren | if you dont want the dot |
| 19:45.43 | Jimdinventor | :-) |
| 19:46.21 | Elkano | jaxdahl, good time to try cartographer ;) |
| 19:46.38 | Jimdinventor | Ouch. |
| 19:46.54 | grimman | Since the european WoW site won't give me the information... do you guys know the exact cost of a character transfer? |
| 19:47.07 | jaxdahl | Elkano, thanks |
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| 19:47.10 | Bleeter | $25USD last time I did it |
| 19:47.16 | Jimdinventor | I only did it in North America, sorry. :-) |
| 19:47.32 | grimman | Bleeter: I mentioned "european WoW site" for a reason. ;) |
| 19:47.46 | Bleeter | grimman: gah, sorry.. I just woke up :P |
| 19:47.53 | Jimdinventor | You're wondering about a Value Added Tax, then? |
| 19:48.00 | TS|Skrom | dangit... |
| 19:48.08 | Bleeter | wowwiki.com is down? |
| 19:48.20 | Gryphen | hammered |
| 19:48.22 | TS|Skrom | I knew I shouldn't have waited til the last minute to care. Can someone point me to a primer on the new macro optiosn? |
| 19:48.46 | Bleeter | TS|Skrom: check the US UI forum, there's a really nice long thread there covering all the changes |
| 19:48.47 | Neuro_Medivh | sigh |
| 19:48.53 | Bleeter | it's a sticky, easy to find |
| 19:48.54 | TS|Skrom | excellent, thanks :) |
| 19:49.14 | TS|Skrom | Forums are moving really slowly for me. Thought I'd check for an alternate while Iw as en route XD |
| 19:49.23 | SP|Sorren | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=51896128&sid=1 |
| 19:49.23 | Jimdinventor | :-) |
| 19:49.30 | Neuro_Medivh | Skrom, there's a long post by some jackass talking all about it |
| 19:49.47 | Elkano | grimman, check account status page: 19.99ā¬ |
| 19:50.25 | grimman | Elkano: The EU account page spits this at me: "[ServletException in:/WEB-INF/jsp/account/menu.jsp] Error running /usr/local/java/bin/javac compiler' [ServletException in:/WEB-INF/jsp/shared/wow-com/includes/bot-plain.jsp] File "/WEB-INF/jsp/shared/wow-com/includes/bot-plain.jsp" not found'" |
| 19:50.38 | grimman | So... no, not something I will be doing in the foreseeable future. :P |
| 19:50.41 | grimman | But thanks. |
| 19:50.53 | Elkano | ^^ |
| 19:51.58 | Industrial | howmany hours left? |
| 19:52.07 | SP|Sorren | 1 blizzard hour |
| 19:52.27 | Fisker | The new talents will be enabled today right? |
| 19:52.30 | jaxdahl | servers arent up early either |
| 19:52.32 | jaxdahl | Fisker, yes |
| 19:52.38 | Bleeter | where 'blizzard hour' is akin to Heisinburg's uncertainty principal? |
| 19:52.40 | Fisker | ok |
| 19:52.52 | Bleeter | *principle |
| 19:53.16 | SP|Sorren | maybe. |
| 19:53.42 | SB1-Work | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=44795289&sid=1 <-- a hahaha |
| 19:54.02 | SB1-Work | Some people kited the alliance flight master from Theramore FAR AWAY and demanded 1.5k gold in order to return their flight master |
| 19:54.29 | VoidRaider|sleep | night guys |
| 19:54.41 | Bleeter | nn VoidRaider |
| 19:54.44 | SP|Sorren | night |
| 19:54.48 | Cairenn | night VoidRaider|sleep |
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| 19:57.25 | Jimdinventor | That is mighty funny, SB1. :-) |
| 19:57.38 | SP|Sorren | that's entertainment, imo. did anyone pay up? |
| 19:57.46 | Caeryn|W | Someone should pull all the Alliance flightmaster to barrens |
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| 19:58.07 | Fisker | they could've just reported it and have it fixed within hours |
| 19:58.10 | Fisker | so i doubt it |
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| 19:58.25 | SP|Sorren | there's a pvp solution! >.> |
| 19:58.29 | Fisker | and god the forums are slow |
| 19:58.35 | Fisker | You don't know where they are, so no |
| 19:58.41 | SB1-Work | No, sadly |
| 19:58.48 | SB1-Work | Enough people whined and the GMs despawned the guy |
| 19:58.56 | SP|Sorren | i see :( |
| 19:58.56 | Fisker | and even if there is a pvp solution excessive griefing is still against the rules |
| 19:59.11 | Fisker | but fun still :) |
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| 19:59.26 | SB1-Work | "WE HAVE YOUR FLIGHT MASTERS, AND WE ARE HOLDING THEM FOR RANSOM" |
| 19:59.37 | SB1-Work | I mean crap, that's awesomly funny |
| 20:00.01 | Jimdinventor | Bring in the copycat pranksters |
| 20:00.30 | SB1-Work | Copycat or not, I want to do that to some hordies now... |
| 20:00.54 | Jimdinventor | By all means .. |
| 20:01.13 | SB1-Work | Do note, I play on a PvE server |
| 20:01.29 | Jimdinventor | Yes. Of course. |
| 20:02.24 | SB1-Work | ... good crap, crossroads flight master is MIEN |
| 20:02.25 | SB1-Work | *MINE |
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| 20:02.39 | Neuro_Medivh | That's not the one you want |
| 20:02.47 | Neuro_Medivh | you want Kargath |
| 20:03.12 | Neuro_Medivh | or the thorium point one |
| 20:03.26 | SP|Sorren | no, you want grom'gol |
| 20:03.41 | Neuro_Medivh | the high levels won't care about grom'gol |
| 20:03.46 | SP|Sorren | no one flies anywhere from kargath, just to kargath |
| 20:03.57 | JoshBeWorking | (i know, late, but) Jimdinventor, Chaperone sounds cool |
| 20:04.01 | ckknight | so is wowi down? |
| 20:04.04 | Jimdinventor | *smile* |
| 20:04.10 | Thunder_Child | no |
| 20:04.11 | Cairenn | ckknight: nope |
| 20:04.18 | Jimdinventor | Thanks, Josh. |
| 20:04.21 | ckknight | not loading at all for me |
| 20:04.22 | Thunder_Child | a bit slow at times, but not down |
| 20:04.25 | SP|Sorren | works for me :/ |
| 20:04.28 | Cairenn | keep trying |
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| 20:05.26 | Cairenn | everywhere is taking a beating, as usual |
| 20:05.27 | ckknight | nope, not working |
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| 20:05.39 | JoshBeWorking | ckknight: use your reload button! |
| 20:05.43 | mjc | where's the atlasloot dude hang out |
| 20:05.50 | ckknight | JoshBeWorking, yea, doesn't work |
| 20:06.16 | Malivil | I'm really happy right now |
| 20:06.30 | Malivil | most of the addons i use have been updated, or still work |
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| 20:07.20 | jaxdahl | should this notice be removed in the 2.0 Beta UI d/l section? |
| 20:07.21 | jaxdahl | 'These files/addons will only work with the World of Warcraft Beta "The Burning Crusade". Please do not attempt to use these on a normal live server.' |
| 20:07.44 | mjc | the beta section will probably disappear |
| 20:07.58 | jaxdahl | mjc, not for a couple week |
| 20:07.59 | jaxdahl | s |
| 20:08.02 | YammYgirlcoding | guys!! anyone knows what is this error from the patch today? The file patch.MPQ could not be renamed - (Conflict::ResolveConflicts/1) |
| 20:08.03 | jaxdahl | which will confuse people |
| 20:08.13 | jaxdahl | YammYgirlcoding, free disk space? |
| 20:08.13 | mjc | so let them be confused |
| 20:08.27 | mjc | YammYgirlcoding: run the blizzard repair app |
| 20:08.30 | YammYgirlcoding | there is 6gb free |
| 20:08.39 | YammYgirlcoding | repair app ? where |
| 20:08.39 | Cairenn | as authors update, they either update their live versions and ask us to delete from that category, or if they don't have a live version, they ask us to move it for them |
| 20:08.50 | Cairenn | YammYgirlcoding: in the WoW folder |
| 20:09.18 | Cairenn | repair.exe |
| 20:09.39 | Jimdinventor | Cairenn - I dropped a request in with Dolby. Was that well placed? |
| 20:10.01 | Cairenn | dolby or myself is fine |
| 20:10.17 | TS|Skrom | tell me with all these new options we get more macro slots... |
| 20:10.18 | Jimdinventor | *nod*. Okay. Wheels are in motion then. |
| 20:10.19 | mjc | Cairenn: or repair.app for those with real OSes ;) |
| 20:10.23 | Cairenn | clad, iriel and bela as well, although they are rather busy |
| 20:10.27 | YammYgirlcoding | Cairenn .. hmm runing the repair.. pretty slow... Why is that error about? |
| 20:10.28 | Thunder_Child | ok, NOW wowi seems to have died |
| 20:10.30 | JoshBeWorking | TS|Skrom: no |
| 20:10.32 | Cairenn | mjc: yeah, well ;) |
| 20:10.35 | JoshBeWorking | TS|Skrom: but any button can be a macro now |
| 20:10.35 | TS|Skrom | NOOO lol |
| 20:10.40 | TS|Skrom | oh? |
| 20:10.43 | JoshBeWorking | TS|Skrom: yes |
| 20:10.45 | Cairenn | Thunder_Child: we did, we're back |
| 20:10.45 | jaxdahl | Thunder_Child, it's been up and down |
| 20:11.16 | mjc | YammYgirlcoding: patch.mpq contains all the files that have changed (via patches) since your first wow install, I believe. it can get corrupted for various reasons, but running a repair should fix it |
| 20:11.27 | mjc | if not something else is going on |
| 20:11.30 | jaxdahl | hm |
| 20:11.35 | jaxdahl | repair tool is disabled for 2.0.1 |
| 20:11.36 | YammYgirlcoding | i was installing today patch. and this error happened |
| 20:11.40 | jaxdahl | according to tech support forums |
| 20:11.41 | mjc | is it really jax ? |
| 20:11.44 | mjc | nice |
| 20:12.06 | YammYgirlcoding | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:12.21 | Jimdinventor | Well ...... if someone was really desparate, they could do a full reinstall of WoW from the beginning. :-) |
| 20:12.26 | jaxdahl | YammYgirlcoding, shouldn't hurt to rename it |
| 20:12.28 | Neuro_Medivh | just rename it to .bak |
| 20:12.42 | Neuro_Medivh | btw, you using Vista? |
| 20:12.46 | YammYgirlcoding | the installer reads from the patch file, to copy to the other files? |
| 20:12.53 | mjc | no |
| 20:12.57 | YammYgirlcoding | its like a zip installer or something? |
| 20:13.03 | mjc | minor patches install themselves to patch.mpq |
| 20:13.12 | mjc | big ones don't use ti |
| 20:13.13 | mjc | it |
| 20:13.18 | jaxdahl | looks like WDB is being moved to Cache\WDB\enUS\ |
| 20:13.22 | YammYgirlcoding | so why the installer was trying to rename the patch.mpq to .trash and delete it? |
| 20:13.23 | Thunder_Child | crap, patch extension till 5pm pst |
| 20:13.25 | Neuro_Medivh | btw, I ended up having to install WoW all over again |
| 20:13.57 | Thunder_Child | not really suprised though |
| 20:14.03 | mjc | YammYgirlcoding: cause this patch doesn't use it, it looks like. i odn't have a patch.mpq anymore |
| 20:14.30 | YammYgirlcoding | and after deleting it, you know if the installer sets a flag somewhere to say the patch was ok? |
| 20:15.06 | Maldivia | mjc: 2.0 still uses patch files, that 2.0 installed just incorporates the 1.x patch files, into the base mpw set |
| 20:15.22 | jaxdahl | looks like there's an invisibility crash if you become invisible with pixel shaders disabled |
| 20:15.27 | mjc | this particular release doesn't use patch.mpq, like I said :P |
| 20:15.43 | Maldivia | mjc: still, it needs the information in the existing one, to install |
| 20:15.49 | Thunder_Child | well at least the added time gives modders a chance to get it all done before |
| 20:15.56 | Neuro_Medivh | Yammy, what's your exact problem? |
| 20:16.10 | YammYgirlcoding | after installing, it said : The file patch.MPQ could not be renamed - (Conflict::ResolveConflicts/1) |
| 20:16.30 | YammYgirlcoding | i wonder if there is a flag to tell the patch was ok, for I set manually and rename the file myself |
| 20:16.33 | Neuro_Medivh | what OS are you using |
| 20:16.36 | YammYgirlcoding | xp |
| 20:17.04 | Caeryn|W | the smart money is on a hash/md5 checksum rather than a flag |
| 20:17.31 | jaxdahl | try running launcher.exe, then WoW-1.12.x-to-2.0.1-enUS-patch-downloader.exe, then wow.exe |
| 20:17.42 | Bleeter | yeah, md5. i doubt they're using sha1 yet ;) |
| 20:18.02 | mjc | sha1 is overkill for most instances |
| 20:18.03 | YammYgirlcoding | ? |
| 20:18.06 | Neuro_Medivh | just so you know, after patching you should have 2 files in your data folder... a file called common.MPQ that is almost 4 gigs, and patch.MPQ that should be like 1k |
| 20:19.18 | jaxdahl | 261 bytes |
| 20:19.40 | jaxdahl | WoW-1.12.x-to-2.0.1-enUS-patch folder |
| 20:19.52 | jaxdahl | i have wow-final, and wow-partial-1 to -3 .MPQ files |
| 20:20.04 | Kirkburn | Seriously? They combined all the MPQ files? |
| 20:20.04 | jaxdahl | as well as Updater.exe and an Updater.app folder |
| 20:20.08 | jaxdahl | Kirkburn, yes |
| 20:20.18 | YammYgirlcoding | hmmm how much space it requires, 5, 6gb ? |
| 20:20.26 | Thunder_Child | 3.8 |
| 20:20.30 | Thunder_Child | to install |
| 20:20.47 | YammYgirlcoding | i have 6gb free. so i think it's now a space issue |
| 20:20.55 | YammYgirlcoding | the common.mpq was not create |
| 20:20.57 | YammYgirlcoding | d |
| 20:21.13 | Antiarc | So how bad is the fallout so far? |
| 20:21.23 | Antiarc | <--- at work |
| 20:21.27 | jaxdahl | Antiarc, servers not up yet |
| 20:21.35 | Thunder_Child | well the patch has been extended till 5pm pst, so it's not looking good |
| 20:21.39 | Bleeter | and down until 5pm pst |
| 20:21.42 | Antiarc | Oh, ouch. |
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| 20:21.58 | Bleeter | it's better than bringing them up for 5 mins then shutting them down for 12 ;) |
| 20:22.07 | Bleeter | *12 hours |
| 20:22.19 | Neuro_Medivh | Yammy, I had a similar problem, I ended up having to reinstall WoW |
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| 20:22.35 | Bleeter | Neuro_Medivh: thanks for reminding me ... |
| 20:22.42 | YammYgirlcoding | oh my god. I dont have the previous patches |
| 20:22.55 | mjc | YammYgirlcoding: you only need that one |
| 20:22.57 | Neuro_Medivh | Yammy, go find the 1.12 patch from Filefront |
| 20:22.57 | Bleeter | YammYgirlcoding: always download the 'patch any |
| 20:23.03 | Bleeter | ' when it becomes available ;) |
| 20:23.04 | mjc | 1.12 one |
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| 20:23.27 | Teomyr | our guild's hunters are noobs |
| 20:23.35 | YammYgirlcoding | 1.12 to 2 patch ? |
| 20:23.37 | Elkano | check wowwiki's patch mirror page |
| 20:23.53 | jaxdahl | YammYgirlcoding, http://a.wirebrain.de/wow/ |
| 20:23.55 | Teomyr | the hunters get decked in with T2 drops and then they bid on obsidian edged blade and bindings of the windseeker... |
| 20:24.01 | foxlit | wowwiki's pretty dead. |
| 20:24.14 | Bleeter | YammYgirlcoding: grab the any to 1.12.x patch, then run the 1.12.x to 2.x patcher |
| 20:24.18 | foxlit | Ah, no, my bad, just a 10s delay on connect to :80 |
| 20:24.29 | mjc | Teomyr: my last guild had ones that wanted CHT |
| 20:24.52 | Bleeter | and here's a sane hunter, like myself, who can't get into any dang raiding guild :/ |
| 20:25.02 | Teomyr | mjc: core hound tooth? |
| 20:25.06 | YammYgirlcoding | this one? WoW-1.12.0 (FULL) |
| 20:25.06 | mjc | yeah |
| 20:25.11 | mjc | YammYgirlcoding: yes |
| 20:25.13 | Neuro_Medivh | Yammy, here you go: http://files.filefront.com/World+of+Warcraft+v1120+US+Patch/;5441790;;/fileinfo.html |
| 20:25.14 | Bleeter | tales of noob hunters in raiding guilds makes Bleeter cry |
| 20:25.27 | YammYgirlcoding | Neuro_Medivh love u! :D |
| 20:25.34 | Teomyr | mjc: core hound tooth is actually pretty good for hunters, though a rogue may need it more |
| 20:25.50 | Teomyr | but come on... i mean... obsidian edged blade? thunderfury?! |
| 20:25.57 | mjc | Teomyr: ones that already have their epic staff & bow |
| 20:26.20 | Teomyr | mjc: well, okay, in that case ^^ |
| 20:26.35 | mjc | freakin bone slicing hatchet > CHT for hunters |
| 20:26.38 | Jimdinventor | heh ... Thunderfury ... seems like half the people that can equip that thing have one on the Burning Crusade .. |
| 20:27.35 | YammYgirlcoding | i ran the repair. and next called the patch again, it seems to be reinstalling it... let's see if it was the free space. I freed 20gb. |
| 20:27.45 | Bleeter | peeps on my realm who weild TF seem to have no concept of how to properly use it (ie, CC issues). this also makes Bleeter cry. |
| 20:27.54 | Jimdinventor | :-) |
| 20:27.55 | SP|Sorren | wowwiki kaput? |
| 20:27.58 | |FF|Im2good4u | guys will string.match return multiple captures if there multiple captures in the patern ? |
| 20:28.06 | ckknight | yes |
| 20:28.08 | Bleeter | SP|Sorren: hammered into the ground, too many requests |
| 20:28.17 | YammYgirlcoding | guys. and the addons. all were screwd up ? |
| 20:28.19 | SP|Sorren | anyone knwo hte event for when your target's aura changes? UNIT_AURA_CHANGED? |
| 20:28.24 | SP|Sorren | or something like that? |
| 20:28.28 | SP|Sorren | man i can't type today |
| 20:28.37 | ckknight | "Monkey pants":match("M(onk)ey p(ant)s") => "onk", "ant" |
| 20:28.54 | foxlit | SP|Sorren: UNIT_AURA |
| 20:29.00 | SP|Sorren | foxlit: thankee |
| 20:29.10 | foxlit | Yamm: yes. |
| 20:29.15 | Bleeter | YammYgirlcoding: yes, all addons will be disabled, and you may as well say all addons won't work and need updating. |
| 20:29.30 | |FF|Im2good4u | ckknight can i call it at a string whit : ? like "lol":match ? |
| 20:29.45 | jaxdahl | YammYgirlcoding, i highly recommend nuking your wtf/interface folders |
| 20:29.45 | ckknight | actually, I think you need to do ("lol"):match |
| 20:29.50 | YammYgirlcoding | i mean, after a wowtoc, will they be very damaged still? =) |
| 20:29.51 | Bleeter | (even moreso than the previous updating that was required, we could usually go 'load out of date addons' and they'd mostly work) |
| 20:30.00 | foxlit | |FF|Im2good4u: what are you trying to match? |
| 20:30.00 | ckknight | but yes. |
| 20:30.05 | jaxdahl | YammYgirlcoding, yes, the script engine was changed from 5.0 to 5.1 |
| 20:30.11 | ckknight | strings now have the string as its __index |
| 20:30.14 | jaxdahl | and some blizzard api changes |
| 20:30.23 | jaxdahl | so 99.9% of addons broke |
| 20:30.25 | YammYgirlcoding | and they changed functions? omg.. i hate them =) |
| 20:30.29 | |FF|Im2good4u | foxlit nothing im jsut gona rewrite my addons string.find functions if this string.match will work :P |
| 20:30.34 | YammYgirlcoding | i have 100+ addons installed... |
| 20:30.35 | Bleeter | YammYgirlcoding: they won't be damaged, just won't work. subtle difference ;) |
| 20:30.44 | YammYgirlcoding | u got it =) |
| 20:30.44 | ckknight | (' '):join("alpha", "bravo") == "alpha bravo") |
| 20:30.48 | Caeryn|W | wtb 100+ addons? |
| 20:30.56 | Caeryn|W | wtf |
| 20:30.59 | JoshBeWorking | wts 99- addons |
| 20:31.01 | Thunder_Child | think of it as a chance to clean house |
| 20:31.03 | YammYgirlcoding | :D |
| 20:31.18 | YammYgirlcoding | i tried to remove, but can't live without them hehehe |
| 20:31.18 | foxlit | Can live with 4, to be honest. |
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| 20:31.26 | YammYgirlcoding | i have 5 char 60... |
| 20:31.35 | YammYgirlcoding | many classes.. many professions... |
| 20:31.36 | Caeryn|W | i can't think of 100 unique concepts |
| 20:31.39 | Drew` | is there any built in way to draw a solid border around a statusbar or texture? |
| 20:31.45 | Thunder_Child | i wiped out my interface folder and seem to be back to 70 already |
| 20:31.53 | Jimdinventor | Caeryn - that's okay, someone thought of them for you |
| 20:32.02 | Caeryn|W | i can think of at most 20 unique things, a hud, a actionbar replacement, a raid gridlike thing, a timer, some professions sorter, done |
| 20:32.25 | Jimdinventor | You left out just about every mod I've made. :-) |
| 20:32.27 | SP|Sorren | Drew`: here's a silly way to do it, draw an opaque frame behind your statusbar thats just a bit bigger so it looks like a border ;p |
| 20:32.54 | Jimdinventor | and conceived of, for that matter |
| 20:32.54 | Caeryn|W | hehe, then there's a mod manager thing, and so forth, what did you write btw? :) |
| 20:32.55 | foxlit | You could probably play around with Backdrops |
| 20:33.19 | jaxdahl | inventory, action bars, equipment management, party unit frames, raid unit frames, the rest is fluff |
| 20:33.23 | foxlit | But the documentation there is sort of... bad, so drawing a fake texture is probably easier |
| 20:33.25 | Jimdinventor | The JIM series: Abacus, Cooldown Pulse, and Slash Commander are the ones that have survived to 2.0 |
| 20:33.29 | Drew` | SP|Sorren: I want the border to be solid white, and the texture it will border will sometimes not have 100% alpha. I think that technique although easy, woudl not work for this situation. |
| 20:33.41 | Caeryn|W | honestly, i think a raid boss timer is useful, everything else is frippery, the default UI is pretty good |
| 20:33.41 | jaxdahl | i use about 30-40 addons total |
| 20:33.55 | foxlit | Default unitframes are rather disappointing. |
| 20:34.03 | Drew` | SP|Sorren: Is there an option other than making 4 differnt textures, one for each side of what I want it to border? |
| 20:34.05 | jaxdahl | as well as raid frames |
| 20:34.12 | SP|Sorren | well |
| 20:34.16 | SP|Sorren | you could get a texture |
| 20:34.16 | foxlit | Going from live to ptr, I probably missed my big, text-showing player/targetframes the most. |
| 20:34.20 | SP|Sorren | with an alpha map |
| 20:34.23 | SP|Sorren | that has a hole in it |
| 20:34.27 | SP|Sorren | but that's not easily resizeable |
| 20:35.41 | Drew` | SP|Sorren: most uniteframes have customizable borders. Do you know if they use the alpha map technique you just described? |
| 20:36.05 | SP|Sorren | i dont know of any mod that uses that alpha map method, that was just something i was throwing out there as possible :X |
| 20:36.18 | foxlit | Blizzard + focus frame |
| 20:36.21 | Malivil | Maintenence was delayed another 4 hours |
| 20:36.27 | foxlit | I do think that's an alphatransparent texture |
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| 20:37.15 | Drew` | foxlit: What exactly is a backdrop? I am fairly new to lua and the wow api. and with wowikki being down it is hard for me to search on my own. |
| 20:38.50 | Mery | a backdrop is like a "background", you tell which edge file you want and what color the rest should be and wow will draw a background for the frame based on that info |
| 20:38.51 | foxlit | Drew`: http://wowi.pastey.net/3083 |
| 20:39.42 | foxlit | I'm not aware of the specifics of how you'd go about making custom textures for that, but the code sample creates a basic tooltip background you don't have to care about. |
| 20:40.06 | Mery | well the edge file is 8 width for every pixel height |
| 20:40.29 | Mery | and if you divide it in 8 squares |
| 20:41.12 | Mery | its like left edge, right edge, top edge, bottom edge, top left corner, top right corner, bottom left corner, bottom right corner |
| 20:42.18 | Mery | but no gurantee for the order, just open a blizzard edge file =) |
| 20:42.42 | Drew` | foxlit/mercy/sorren: Thank you. |
| 20:43.30 | Jimdinventor | :-) |
| 20:43.58 | Jimdinventor | Well, it was nice seeing all these geniuses at work again, but I'd better prepare for my day. |
| 20:44.02 | Jimdinventor | Have a good one. |
| 20:44.08 | SP|Sorren | ciao |
| 20:44.15 | SP|Sorren | nice talking to you again ;) |
| 20:44.33 | Jimdinventor | A mutual sentiment! |
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| 20:44.40 | YammYgirlcoding | \o/ yay now patch worked, after one repair, free disk space, and reinstall. didnt even need to back to previous patch =) |
| 20:45.22 | Neuro_Medivh | gratz |
| 20:45.24 | jaxdahl | vbagnon got updated? |
| 20:45.39 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 20:45.52 | Thunder_Child | the devs are all coding |
| 20:45.52 | Thunder_Child | to get their mods loading |
| 20:45.52 | Thunder_Child | oh no theres a problem |
| 20:45.52 | Thunder_Child | the patch is upon them |
| 20:45.52 | Thunder_Child | and their mods are around them exploding |
| 20:46.12 | SP|Sorren | classy. |
| 20:46.26 | Teomyr | :D |
| 20:46.27 | Thunder_Child | i was doing this all night, i was hoping it stoped....i was wrong |
| 20:46.34 | Thunder_Child | so another patch day has come |
| 20:46.34 | Thunder_Child | and we're all feeling so glum |
| 20:46.34 | Thunder_Child | about longer patch times |
| 20:46.34 | Thunder_Child | and really bad rhymes |
| 20:46.35 | Thunder_Child | so soon we will all just be numb |
| 20:47.15 | jaxdahl | curse has vbagnon at 61205 |
| 20:47.19 | jaxdahl | wowi has 61202 |
| 20:48.40 | Thunder_Child | there may be one in the pipeline at wowi |
| 20:48.42 | Neuro_Medivh | There was a young maid from Darnassus And all the day long she licked... um, I better stop that one |
| 20:49.05 | Thunder_Child | masses? |
| 20:49.09 | Thunder_Child | .... |
| 20:49.10 | jaxdahl | my anus? |
| 20:49.31 | SP|Sorren | molasses |
| 20:49.41 | Thunder_Child | she got really quite good |
| 20:49.56 | Osagasu | You know... It would be really nice if Blizzard had a screen at login that you could open and it would show you what addons you have installed, even it it wouldn't let you modify what is on and off. |
| 20:50.48 | [Cu]Werik | You should manage the addons from outside of the game |
| 20:50.59 | [Cu]Werik | Like in Oblivion, for example |
| 20:51.04 | Tuller | jaxdahl: its not in the beta releases now |
| 20:51.07 | Osagasu | That would work too. |
| 20:51.15 | jaxdahl | Tuller, ah |
| 20:51.18 | Thunder_Child | want virtual ui placement w/o haveing to connect |
| 20:51.20 | Tuller | its also theoretically possible I just messed up the version on wowinterface |
| 20:51.20 | Osagasu | Well, the one that Oblivion has by default SUCKS |
| 20:51.44 | [Cu]Werik | It works |
| 20:51.53 | Osagasu | If you want to set priority, you have to have a program that will automatically change modified by dates and all that crap |
| 20:51.55 | jaxdahl | wowi looks correct |
| 20:51.56 | Thunder_Child | tuller: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6306-vBagnonBC.html |
| 20:52.06 | jaxdahl | Thunder_Child, that's the BC one |
| 20:52.11 | Thunder_Child | it d/l's 02 |
| 20:52.25 | Thunder_Child | ya |
| 20:52.28 | jaxdahl | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?s=&id=4459 |
| 20:52.31 | jaxdahl | you want this |
| 20:52.48 | Thunder_Child | ty |
| 20:53.08 | jaxdahl | the 2.0 category is just confusing now |
| 20:53.24 | jaxdahl | i keep checking that category and the 'official' category to see where they updated it |
| 20:53.33 | Thunder_Child | i was being lazy and not looking anywhere else |
| 20:53.44 | Teomyr | what is the current version of the beta client atm? |
| 20:53.52 | jaxdahl | 6144 i believe? |
| 20:54.02 | [Cu]Werik | 6178? |
| 20:54.03 | Thunder_Child | 2.0.1(6180) |
| 20:54.22 | Maldivia | beta clien is 2.0.2 - 6178 |
| 20:54.49 | Thunder_Child | opps, missed the beta part |
| 20:54.57 | Thunder_Child | oops* |
| 20:54.57 | jaxdahl | live is 2.0.1(6180) |
| 20:55.18 | Teomyr | ah, thank you. i thought all the downloading would never come to an end :D |
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| 20:55.52 | Teomyr | patch after patch after patch... |
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| 20:58.48 | Caeryn|W | thats why you should support wowguru's patching thingy |
| 20:59.15 | Caeryn|W | should allow users to download the day before patch, also maybe it should check mirrors too or somesuch |
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| 21:01.37 | Antiarc | *headdesk* |
| 21:02.06 | Antiarc | I love (for the comedy) and hate (for everything else) people that try to argue that UI mods are against the TOS and that you're an evil haxx0r for using them. |
| 21:02.36 | jaxdahl | 50% of them are trolls |
| 21:03.16 | Antiarc | I think this one is actually serious, because a few days ago she laid into a mod author posting links to his updated mods. |
| 21:03.22 | Antiarc | It's hi-larious. |
| 21:03.44 | Antiarc | I like to tell those people that the WoW interface is a UI mod, too, and they should play exclusively through slash commands. |
| 21:04.21 | jaxdahl | how would you loot? |
| 21:04.32 | jaxdahl | or rez people who release |
| 21:04.37 | Antiarc | Looting is hacking |
| 21:04.45 | Antiarc | And people shouldn't release if they want to be rezzed |
| 21:04.49 | Drew` | In my addon I have a folder named "textures". How would i refernce a texture named "bg.tga" in that folder? |
| 21:04.52 | Antiarc | Rezzing people after they release is hax |
| 21:05.58 | Antiarc | Interface/Addons/MyAddOn/textures/bg |
| 21:05.58 | foxlit | It's "Interface\\Addons\\YourAddon\\textures\\bg.tga" as far as lua is concerned |
| 21:05.59 | Maldivia | Is US up yet ? |
| 21:05.59 | Neuro_Medivh | no |
| 21:05.59 | Drew` | thank you. |
| 21:05.59 | Maldivia | how many hours is it over estimated timeframe? |
| 21:05.59 | Thunder_Child | 4 |
| 21:06.03 | jaxdahl | about 3 hours to go |
| 21:06.05 | Thunder_Child | new eta 5pm pst |
| 21:06.22 | Thunder_Child | 4 hrs jax |
| 21:06.40 | jaxdahl | you're right |
| 21:06.57 | Thunder_Child | i think that makes me 1-3 so far today |
| 21:15.38 | Wobin | anyone use the Blade Twisting rogue skill? |
| 21:15.38 | Wobin | (in beta/ptr/etc) |
| 21:16.04 | Wobin | oh hey antiarc =) |
| 21:16.41 | Wobin | omg, livejournal conjunction =P |
| 21:22.01 | Kaso | i sucks that priests gain almost nothing from having 41point talents avaiable for healing :< |
| 21:22.11 | Thunder_Child | no kidding |
| 21:22.52 | Neebler | Wobin: I tryed blade twisting in early PTR, but it never went off. |
| 21:23.06 | Kaso | basically the only viable specs i see are Imp Spirit (but then you miss Spiritual healing) or Holy Conc/Empowered healing (but then no spirit) |
| 21:23.28 | Kaso | Spirit should be a class skill and imp spirit in its talent spot |
| 21:23.29 | Wobin | That's what kergoth said =\ |
| 21:23.29 | Wobin | Sounds dodgy |
| 21:23.37 | Bleeter | Cairenn: I've added to your stress relief thread .. the thread's doing rather nicely :) |
| 21:23.40 | Wobin | for a 20% chance to proc, it seems a bit... broken =P |
| 21:23.49 | Cide | Kaso: empowered healing and holy conc are both crappy |
| 21:24.03 | Kaso | which is why im prob going for imp spirit :> |
| 21:24.13 | Antiarc | I've used Blade Twisting, and seen it proc, but it's really...meh. |
| 21:24.20 | Antiarc | There's zero point to it when we have crippling poison |
| 21:24.25 | Kaso | yah on the beta i get like holy conc proc every 2min or something silly |
| 21:24.26 | Antiarc | We gain nothing from dazing targets |
| 21:24.31 | Thunder_Child | imp spirit isnt all that good either |
| 21:24.36 | Thunder_Child | ish |
| 21:24.47 | Antiarc | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:24.48 | Kaso | Im sure the mages wont complain about it |
| 21:24.57 | Cide | it's good for the collective regen gained in a raid |
| 21:25.04 | Cide | but not so much for oneself |
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| 21:25.32 | ckknight | hey all |
| 21:25.40 | SP|Sorren | not has a higher precedence than or right? |
| 21:25.44 | Cairen1 | hi ckknight |
| 21:26.23 | ckknight | yes, SP|Sorren |
| 21:26.27 | Cide | SP|Sorren: ( not a or b ) == (not a) or b |
| 21:26.33 | SP|Sorren | thankie |
| 21:26.52 | jaxdahl | !a or b |
| 21:26.53 | ckknight | wowi still down? |
| 21:26.57 | Thunder_Child | Kaso, what kind of buld are you interested in? |
| 21:27.01 | jaxdahl | ckknight, it's intermittient |
| 21:27.14 | Thunder_Child | build* |
| 21:27.18 | Kaso | something like http://www.wowhead.com/?talent-bc=dxMhuhhzbZfxxcc0qz |
| 21:27.42 | Cide | should max spi healing if you can |
| 21:27.49 | Cide | it scales much better now |
| 21:27.49 | Thunder_Child | i had http://www.wowhead.com/?talent-bc=dxghhZfxxccMkVh |
| 21:28.06 | Kirkburn | I'm still looking for that copy of Fonts.xml :) Anyone got one yet? |
| 21:28.57 | Wobin | SP|Sorren: traditionally |
| 21:29.05 | Wobin | since it's a unary operator |
| 21:29.05 | cogwheel | Kirkburn: http://wowi.pastey.net/3084 |
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| 21:32.29 | |FF|Im2good4u | guys if my addon is BC compatable does that mean its also WoWv2 compatable ? |
| 21:32.40 | SP|Sorren | generally, yes |
| 21:32.41 | Cide | yes |
| 21:33.52 | jaxdahl | curse went blammo again |
| 21:34.17 | Kaso | Is US live yet? |
| 21:34.23 | [Cu]Werik | No |
| 21:34.29 | Kaso | damn |
| 21:34.39 | Kaso | i wanna know if Critting SoL made it out into release |
| 21:34.40 | [Cu]Werik | It was extended for another 3 and a half hours if i'm right |
| 21:34.51 | jaxdahl | yes, 4 hours |
| 21:34.51 | [Cu]Werik | from now that is |
| 21:34.52 | Malivil | 4 |
| 21:34.56 | Malivil | from now, yea |
| 21:34.58 | Kirkburn | cogwheel, thanks muchly! |
| 21:35.00 | Malivil | to 5 pst |
| 21:35.02 | Malivil | 8 est |
| 21:35.16 | Kaso | some spec SoL for me :> |
| 21:35.16 | [Cu]Werik | 2 CET:) |
| 21:35.30 | jaxdahl | what's CET? |
| 21:35.37 | [Cu]Werik | -.- |
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| 21:37.21 | Kirkburn | Central Eastern Time |
| 21:37.21 | jaxdahl | does futextures need to be updated? |
| 21:37.25 | Kirkburn | Er |
| 21:37.29 | Kirkburn | European? |
| 21:37.29 | jaxdahl | european? |
| 21:37.35 | Kirkburn | =) |
| 21:38.17 | ckknight | jaxdahl, I think the toc does. |
| 21:38.37 | jaxdahl | should work without other updates? |
| 21:39.37 | Malivil | AnduinLothar: You there? |
| 21:40.23 | [Cu]Werik | Central European Time indeed |
| 21:40.52 | ckknight | jaxdahl, yea, API didn't change |
| 21:41.01 | Fisker | any rogues on us live right now? |
| 21:41.31 | Malivil | Servers aren't up are they? |
| 21:41.40 | Fisker | shouldn't they be? :P |
| 21:41.45 | Malivil | It was delayed 4 hours |
| 21:41.54 | Malivil | to 5 pst |
| 21:42.50 | ckknight | Fisker, servers will be up in like 3 hours 20 minutes unless they fuck up again |
| 21:43.19 | Fisker | sleeping then |
| 21:43.33 | Fisker | Just heard that rogues wouldn't be getting the newest talent trees like others |
| 21:43.55 | Antiarc | That doesn't surprise me. |
| 21:44.06 | Malivil | Whaaat? |
| 21:44.17 | Malivil | What's your sourcE? |
| 21:44.21 | Antiarc | I expect to get the CoS-as-Sub-41 tree. |
| 21:44.33 | SP|Sorren | Fisker: lol why wouldn't they? |
| 21:44.34 | Antiarc | Well, Blizzard's calculators, for one, and the fact that the PTR was using that set. |
| 21:44.34 | Fisker | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=52936613&sid=1 |
| 21:44.34 | cogwheel | Read your patch notes |
| 21:45.40 | Malivil | bah |
| 21:45.52 | kkress | Ahh patch day, the forums are full of "OMG GCD nerf", "OMG Ignite nerf", "ZOMG AOE nerf". Poor poor fools |
| 21:46.06 | SP|Sorren | gcd nerf? |
| 21:46.12 | kkress | sorry CS GCD nerf |
| 21:46.20 | kkress | Counter spell is now on GCD |
| 21:46.30 | ckknight | FuTexture's updated, jaxdahl |
| 21:46.32 | Kirkburn | Oooh, here's a request - can anyone do me translations for the ClearFont tag line? "Funky font switcher, by Kirkburn!" (or suggest a better one?) |
| 21:47.18 | Kirkburn | (Just for the login addons screen) |
| 21:48.02 | jaxdahl | thanks ckknight |
| 21:50.23 | Kirkburn | Google french translator: "brilliant switch of police force" |
| 21:50.31 | Kaso | haha |
| 21:50.55 | Kirkburn | German: "Funky writing cone Switcher" |
| 21:51.05 | Kirkburn | What on earth is a writing cone? |
| 21:51.24 | Kaso | the wonders of automatic translators |
| 21:51.26 | Malivil | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/rogue/talents.html |
| 21:51.29 | Malivil | That's updated |
| 21:51.32 | Kaso | i might know someone who speaks german kirk |
| 21:51.33 | Kaso | sec |
| 21:52.44 | Elkano | *waves* |
| 21:52.45 | Kirkburn | So many germans, it's hard to keep track :P |
| 21:52.45 | YammYgirlcoding | guys. is there a new wowtoc for new patch ? |
| 21:52.46 | Kirkburn | What's "font" in german? |
| 21:52.47 | jaxdahl | ckknight, is honorfu set to track 2.0 honor points? |
| 21:52.52 | Fisker | can't even load the site Maldivia |
| 21:52.53 | Elkano | font would be "Schriftart" |
| 21:52.53 | Malivil | YammYgirlcoding: 20000 |
| 21:52.53 | Fisker | Malivil |
| 21:52.53 | Fisker | * |
| 21:52.54 | Malivil | ? |
| 21:52.54 | ckknight | jaxdahl, yes, in theory. |
| 21:53.06 | YammYgirlcoding | i mean. a wowtoc. program to update them all |
| 21:53.06 | Kirkburn | Funky Schriftart Switcher then :P |
| 21:53.06 | jaxdahl | YammYgirlcoding, don't even bother |
| 21:53.10 | Elkano | "Krasser Schriftartenaustauscher" ;) |
| 21:53.10 | YammYgirlcoding | why ? |
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| 21:53.27 | Kirkburn | "Glaring character font exchanger" heh |
| 21:53.28 | jaxdahl | 99.9% will be broken |
| 21:53.28 | YammYgirlcoding | 99% of addons are gone anyway? |
| 21:53.39 | Kirkburn | Untrue |
| 21:53.45 | Elkano | well, I don't really know how to translate funky into a german word |
| 21:53.50 | Kirkburn | 99% of addons just need an update |
| 21:53.50 | Malivil | Fisker: I'm uploading a screenshot |
| 21:53.59 | Kirkburn | Elkano, I'll take your word for it, thanks :) |
| 21:54.03 | jaxdahl | and the update isn't as simple as changing the TOC |
| 21:54.03 | Malivil | Fisker: http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/9458/untitledul4.jpg |
| 21:54.28 | YammYgirlcoding | i think they are really gone... for a list of 100 addons i found today 16 updated... |
| 21:54.30 | jaxdahl | stuff like .. for k,v in Table -- needs to be changed to for k,v in pairs(Table) (is parentheses right?) |
| 21:54.41 | ckknight | yes, jaxdahl |
| 21:54.42 | Elkano | wel, "krass" isn't that good of a translation, belive me ^^ |
| 21:54.45 | YammYgirlcoding | and the usual was the opposite... |
| 21:54.56 | jaxdahl | YammYgirlcoding, i found 95% of my addons updated, and the other 5%, i found alternatives |
| 21:55.09 | Corrodias | voyage voyage |
| 21:55.16 | YammYgirlcoding | u have 5 addons, right? =) |
| 21:55.18 | YammYgirlcoding | i'm not talking percentage, i do have 100 addons, and only 16 were updated |
| 21:55.18 | YammYgirlcoding | so far |
| 21:55.28 | YammYgirlcoding | it never happened before : / |
| 21:55.33 | Fisker | thank Malivil |
| 21:55.35 | Malivil | np |
| 21:55.41 | Kirkburn | Now I need a frenchman! |
| 21:55.41 | ckknight | YammYgirlcoding, like what do you have that you _need_ that's not updated? |
| 21:55.45 | Malivil | That's a direct link from the main site too |
| 21:55.54 | Fisker | Now i need some grid screenshots too :P |
| 21:55.54 | Corrodias | i'm using some 150, and by all indications i'll have to wait for updates to at least 50 of them |
| 21:56.01 | Malivil | Grid? |
| 21:56.30 | Corrodias | we can all answer that, ckknight. none. blizzard supposedly tests everything with no addons. |
| 21:56.35 | Fisker | yeah some new raid replacement something |
| 21:56.39 | Fisker | a lot of talk |
| 21:56.44 | Fisker | but screenshots or it didn't happen |
| 21:56.48 | Malivil | CT:RA is updated |
| 21:57.15 | Corrodias | Grid is apparently a relatively new raidframes addon |
| 21:57.19 | YammYgirlcoding | mapnotes CT nurfed auctioneer mobinfo gatherer autoprofit possessions bankitems enhancedtradeskills enchantingdb charactersviewer... mainly |
| 21:57.29 | Josh_Borke | Corrodias: correct |
| 21:57.30 | Corrodias | the screenshots didn't look significantly different to me from CTRA or the blizzard default |
| 21:57.40 | Josh_Borke | Corrodias: it was born from the changes in 2.0 |
| 21:57.42 | jaxdahl | auctioneer is updated, CT is updated |
| 21:57.44 | ckknight | YammYgirlcoding, use Cartographer for your mapnotes/gatherer/map stuff. :-P |
| 21:57.45 | YammYgirlcoding | without them it's hard.. I have 6 chars 60 with all professions.. |
| 21:57.47 | jaxdahl | gatherer, use cartographer |
| 21:58.04 | ckknight | you can get it off of wowi, curse, or wowace |
| 21:58.06 | Malivil | jaxdahl: Auctioneer isn't updated |
| 21:58.09 | jaxdahl | nurfed beta works i think, nurfedui.net |
| 21:58.11 | Kirkburn | Elkano, how about "ehrfĆ¼rchtig" |
| 21:58.23 | jaxdahl | auctioneer-3.9.0.1109 (WoW-2.0).zip |
| 21:58.25 | jaxdahl | it's not? |
| 21:58.27 | Elkano | no |
| 21:58.33 | Malivil | ...where's that? |
| 21:58.37 | jaxdahl | got it off curse |
| 21:58.43 | Malivil | There is a mesage on thier site saying the update is delayed |
| 21:58.43 | Corrodias | yeah, YammYgirlcoding. duh. |
| 21:58.54 | Corrodias | everybody knows we're supposed to switch to Cartographer. |
| 21:59.00 | ckknight | hehe. |
| 21:59.01 | Kirkburn | I need a german thesaurus ... |
| 21:59.07 | Cairen1 | that beta version is up on wowi as well, has been for weeks |
| 21:59.08 | ckknight | it's really nice, Corrodias, you must admit. |
| 21:59.12 | YammYgirlcoding | will cartographer read data saved from mapnotes ? |
| 21:59.13 | Corrodias | (just kidding -- playing off of ckknight's tongue-out face) |
| 21:59.20 | Josh_Borke | oh geebus, too much talk |
| 21:59.24 | Corrodias | i have no idea what Cartographer is. i'm waiting for wowi to load so i can see. |
| 21:59.25 | Josh_Borke | i'm out. bb all |
| 21:59.25 | Kirkburn | More talk |
| 21:59.26 | ckknight | YammYgirlcoding, sadly, no, the importer hasn't been written yet, but it's "on the list" |
| 21:59.28 | Kirkburn | blah blah blah |
| 21:59.46 | ckknight | Corrodias, it's on curse, too, might be faster |
| 21:59.54 | YammYgirlcoding | omg. not having mapnotes is the worse of all. i feel completely lost without it |
| 21:59.56 | Kirkburn | Cartographer *is* very nice - my housemates keeps commenting on it every time he comes in my room |
| 22:00.05 | Corrodias | the current version of mapnotes (fan's update) reads my old mapnotes but some of them are in the wrong zones. have the zone numbers changed for 2.0? |
| 22:00.15 | Elkano | lol, dict.leo.org suggests "Ć¼belriechend" as translation for funky... so your addon smells badly ;( |
| 22:00.18 | ckknight | yes, Corrodias |
| 22:00.23 | Kirkburn | haha |
| 22:00.24 | ckknight | why did they index by number? |
| 22:00.27 | ckknight | seems so stupid |
| 22:00.38 | Corrodias | don't bother asking me. |
| 22:00.38 | nymbia | I think i'll tear some hair out if auctioneer alters their data format again with this version. |
| 22:00.39 | ckknight | Cart does it properly by English name :-P |
| 22:00.41 | Kirkburn | They change nearly every patch :/ |
| 22:00.43 | ckknight | future-proof that way |
| 22:01.07 | pastamancer | Elkano: urbandictionary.com really needa a translator! |
| 22:01.20 | Cide | ckknight: that's a stupid way |
| 22:01.23 | ckknight | Cide, why? |
| 22:01.24 | Corrodias | i neither know anything about zones nor about the design behind mapnotes |
| 22:01.30 | Cide | I leave that as an exercise to the reader |
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| 22:01.39 | Corrodias | asking me why it was designed as it was will reveal no answers |
| 22:01.45 | ckknight | Cide, I personally think it's the best way |
| 22:01.50 | ckknight | feel free to prove me wrong |
| 22:01.50 | Cide | it's better to use zone map texture |
| 22:01.52 | ckknight | I want the best solution |
| 22:02.03 | ckknight | Cide, actually, there's no need |
| 22:02.15 | Cide | safer and just as future-proof |
| 22:02.21 | ckknight | using the English zone name is fine. |
| 22:02.25 | jaxdahl | Malivil, the guys in #norganna say it's broken |
| 22:02.27 | Cide | unless they change the name |
| 22:02.33 | Kirkburn | Or the map? |
| 22:02.33 | ckknight | which I'll put in a check for that |
| 22:02.37 | ckknight | but it's quite unlikely. |
| 22:02.55 | nymbia | why would they change the name of a zone? |
| 22:02.59 | Corrodias | isn't the english zone name kind of... englishy? |
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| 22:03.15 | ckknight | Corrodias, yes, so? |
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| 22:03.21 | ckknight | Babble-Zone-2.2 has all the translations. |
| 22:03.37 | Cide | oh, so you're using a library. I see how it is |
| 22:03.46 | ckknight | and by doing it by English name, it makes it much easier to handle instances as well |
| 22:04.09 | ckknight | and sending notes to other players |
| 22:04.09 | nymbia | Corrodias: if you've got all the translations on hand, just reverse-translate the zone name and you've got the index. |
| 22:04.09 | Cide | so you're going to send an instance note? |
| 22:04.09 | Malivil | jaxdahl: I know, i'm in #norganna |
| 22:04.12 | ckknight | Cide, instance notes act just like zone notes. |
| 22:04.29 | Cide | ckknight: if you mean instances as in battlegrounds that have a world map texture |
| 22:04.38 | nymbia | Cide: no. |
| 22:04.40 | ckknight | Cide, I mean instances as in Naxx |
| 22:04.51 | ckknight | but Battlegrounds are supported as well. |
| 22:04.52 | nymbia | Cide: take a quick look and see how it works before passing judgement. |
| 22:05.02 | Corrodias | "Professions : automatically tracks herbs and minerals." -- can this be turned off? |
| 22:05.05 | Cide | nymbia: perhaps you can point out where I did? |
| 22:05.13 | Cide | ckknight: and where are you going to display that? |
| 22:05.24 | ckknight | Cide, lemme show you screenies. |
| 22:05.32 | Cairen1 | easy guys ... |
| 22:06.05 | ckknight | Corrodias, it's Loaded On Demand, but you can turn it off. |
| 22:06.13 | nymbia | Cide: starting about here: <Cide> ckknight: that's a stupid way |
| 22:06.25 | Corrodias | i'm afraid to ask what LoD has to do with it lest you tell me how obvious it is |
| 22:06.27 | Cide | nymbia: yes, I believe it's stupid because it requires localization |
| 22:06.28 | ckknight | Corrodias, if you're an Herbalist, it'll load the Herbalism mod, unless you don't want to. |
| 22:06.38 | Corrodias | ah |
| 22:06.39 | nymbia | Cide: the localization's all there. |
| 22:06.47 | Maldivia | hmm, anyone have the patch-notes up some place? |
| 22:06.53 | Cide | nymbia: well, obviously. otherwise it wouldn't work, would it? |
| 22:06.53 | Kirkburn | Argh, anyone know 'font' in french? Likely to be in Babble? |
| 22:07.02 | ckknight | kirkburn, unlikely |
| 22:07.05 | nymbia | Maldivia: i had em around somewhere one sec |
| 22:07.09 | Cairen1 | Maldivia: front page of wowi *points at the channel topic* |
| 22:07.11 | Cide | nymbia: if you do it by zone texture, you're safe for all eternity |
| 22:07.16 | Kirkburn | How about the FuBar localization? |
| 22:07.22 | nymbia | Maldivia: http://ace.pastey.net/3069?lang=null |
| 22:07.30 | Corrodias | looks nice. now i just need to figure out how to get my old map notes transferred to a new system like Cart without being able to see where they used to be in 1.12 |
| 22:07.33 | Maldivia | Cairen1: figured you would have it, but wowi was a tad slow here :) |
| 22:07.40 | Cide | nymbia: no localization needed. less memory usage by not storing extra strings in the string table. yay for memory! |
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| 22:07.44 | cogwheel | Maldivia: the front page of wowinterface.com has a link |
| 22:07.48 | ckknight | kirkburn, doubt it, honestly. |
| 22:07.53 | Kirkburn | Nvm, it agrees with Google "police" |
| 22:08.03 | Kirkburn | ckknight, you forget you have font options in FuBar? :P |
| 22:08.11 | ckknight | oh, yes we do. |
| 22:08.27 | Thunder_Child | Kirkburn, http://www.wordreference.com/enfr/Font |
| 22:08.59 | Kirkburn | Hrm, think I may go for fonte instead |
| 22:08.59 | ckknight | Cide, it was much easier to support using the english zone names, much more streamlined in the end. Also, it was much easier to support memoization of the strings and such |
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| 22:09.14 | Cide | ckknight: it's just a variable. |
| 22:09.23 | Cide | ckknight: memoizing the texture is just as easy |
| 22:10.06 | ckknight | actually, no, since I trigger events for the modules and everything which gives the english and localized names for everything, it's much easier just using them instead of relying on the map textures |
| 22:10.25 | Cide | ckknight: ah, I see. your layout is dependent on english names? |
| 22:10.26 | Maldivia | hehe, very bad job on the patch notes :) |
| 22:10.37 | ckknight | the main change from the texture to the names was sending to other players. I didn't have a nice way to turn the texture into the localized name |
| 22:10.45 | Mike-N-Go | morning, guys. |
| 22:10.59 | ckknight | so it could tell the user "Blankman added a note to "Orgrimmar" at 74, 63" |
| 22:11.11 | ckknight | how would I properly localize that? |
| 22:11.11 | tyroney|work | So since there's nothing else to do at the moment, here's a quick Q. I'm using SetBindingClick(). How do I get a binding in the normal bindings dialogue that will be used by my addon? |
| 22:11.26 | ckknight | since it'd send over Ogrimmar or whatever |
| 22:11.35 | ckknight | I'd need a hash table anyway |
| 22:11.38 | ckknight | so why not just use Babble? |
| 22:11.42 | ckknight | since it does everything for me |
| 22:11.50 | Cide | given that no new zones are added, sure |
| 22:12.05 | Cide | and you're using that memory by storing the localized names |
| 22:12.05 | tyroney|work | (or what's a nice addon that does this that I can dig through to figure it out myself) |
| 22:12.06 | Antiarc | So, did anyone else buy out the AH's stock of 16-slot bags yesterday? >_> |
| 22:12.10 | ckknight | Babble is updated very quickly. |
| 22:12.19 | Fisker | still no word if there's new patch delays? |
| 22:12.24 | Cide | ckknight: uh, so what? |
| 22:12.25 | Fisker | or maintanence delays |
| 22:12.28 | ckknight | Cide, and actually, since the zones are in WoW memory already, it wouldn't really be expensive. |
| 22:12.33 | tyroney|work | 5:00 last I checked. |
| 22:12.51 | Cide | ckknight: so are the textures |
| 22:13.20 | ckknight | Cide, How do I turn "Ogrimmar" into the localized version of "Orgrimmar"? It's necessary for my addon. |
| 22:13.26 | ckknight | or any texture name. |
| 22:14.11 | Cide | I'm trying to dig it up, but wowwiki doesn't like me |
| 22:14.39 | ckknight | whatever, I'm not changing it now. I use Babble in other parts, too |
| 22:14.43 | ckknight | Tourist, for example |
| 22:14.48 | ckknight | it has all the instance info and such |
| 22:14.52 | ckknight | and uses Babble-Zone |
| 22:15.00 | ckknight | so why not use Babble again, since I already use it? |
| 22:15.07 | ckknight | the glory of shared libraries. |
| 22:15.31 | Cide | ckknight: so the idea is that it's good to use flawed design because.. you already have the same, flawed design elsewhere? okay |
| 22:16.08 | ckknight | It's not flawed. Tourist requires it |
| 22:16.31 | Cide | so if X relies on Y, Y is automatically not flawed? |
| 22:17.17 | Drew` | how can i detect if somone clicks on a frame? |
| 22:17.19 | ckknight | how is Babble flawed _at all_? |
| 22:17.32 | nymbia | Cide: so obviously, if you need localized zone names for two different purposes, it's better to store them in two memory footprints instead of one? |
| 22:17.34 | ckknight | Drew`, RegisterForClicks and set the OnClick script |
| 22:17.40 | cogwheel | Drew` enable mouse, register for clicks, and use the OnClick handler |
| 22:17.44 | Drew` | thanks. |
| 22:17.49 | Tim | Can anyone link me the 'official' Rogue 11/40 build? |
| 22:17.58 | Tim | Is it similar / is it http://www.wowhead.com/?talent-bc=f0eboZMhEz0Vzxrhox? |
| 22:18.00 | Cide | ckknight: I didn't say it was :) just that it's (in my opinion, at least) bad design to use localized stuff for anything but display purposes |
| 22:18.10 | Cide | nymbia: I didn't say that |
| 22:18.29 | Cide | nymbia: if you feel that I did, point out where and I'll clarify |
| 22:18.43 | nymbia | Cide: apologies, i misunderstood. |
| 22:18.45 | ckknight | Cide, actually, you kinda did. And what's wrong with de-localizing everything to English? |
| 22:18.47 | jaxdahl | Cide, i think it'd be easier to say if(zone == unlocalize("Stormwind City")) |
| 22:18.53 | jaxdahl | if you're a programmer |
| 22:18.55 | jaxdahl | rather than |
| 22:19.04 | jaxdahl | if(zone == 23894 |
| 22:19.08 | jaxdahl | you know? |
| 22:19.14 | Cide | jaxdahl: yes, in that case it would be. but if you're a programmer, you do a general solution |
| 22:19.16 | jaxdahl | 'what was 23894 again...' |
| 22:19.20 | Cide | and for a variable number of zones, you don't use if statements |
| 22:19.27 | End | in some places, the zones we are given by the -game- are already localized |
| 22:19.31 | jaxdahl | cide, very general example |
| 22:19.32 | ckknight | mine is a general solution. |
| 22:19.45 | ckknight | since Babble is (almost) always up to date, there is no problem |
| 22:20.04 | Arrowmaster | and if its not up to date, update it |
| 22:20.06 | Corrodias | huh. looks like the US PTR is finally offline. |
| 22:20.13 | ckknight | exactly, Arrowmaster |
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| 22:21.15 | Caeryn|W | another thing you can do is create a hash lookup, ie zone["Stormwind City"] = "Stormwind City", zone["Sturmwang Citay"] = "Stormwind City", zone["Citi de Stormwind"] = "Stormwind City"] |
| 22:21.31 | Caeryn|W | then you can always do if ( zone[thiszone] == "Stormwind City |
| 22:21.40 | Cide- | you would do local mapData = mapHash[texture]; print(mapData.name) or something to that extent |
| 22:21.49 | Arrowmaster | thats what babbles reverse translations are for |
| 22:21.52 | Drew` | cogwheel: frame:EnableMouse(true); frame:RegisterForClicks("LeftButtonUp", "RightButtonUp"); it is telling me "frame:RegisterForClicks" is nil. frame was created with... frame = CreateFrame("StatusBar", "DrewDraw", UIParent);. |
| 22:21.54 | Corrodias | ...wait, if thiszone is already not a string... |
| 22:22.03 | Cide- | Caeryn|W: which is what you want to avoid |
| 22:22.18 | Maldivia | Drew: Only "Button" can register for clicks |
| 22:22.24 | ckknight | also, one thing using Babble provides is that it makes coding much, much easier to do, since you don't have to deal with funky texture names, and can just depend on the proper English names. |
| 22:22.26 | Drew` | Maldiva, thanks. |
| 22:22.30 | tyroney|work | So no quick pointers on coordinating a regular binding (in the normal dialog) and SetBindingClick() (in my addon) ? |
| 22:22.39 | cogwheel | Drew`: what Maldivia said... just have your status bar as a child of the button |
| 22:22.45 | Cide- | ckknight: funky texture names? it would be transparent if done correctly. |
| 22:23.05 | Caeryn|W | Cide: *shrug* its not an elegant solution but hash lookups are fast, but zone textures seem like a better idea |
| 22:23.09 | ckknight | Cide-, again: how do I convert "Ogrimmar" to the localized version of "Orgrimmar"? |
| 22:23.13 | Caeryn|W | and isn't there some kind of zone id? |
| 22:23.18 | Cide- | Caeryn|W: nope |
| 22:23.28 | Cide- | ckknight: give me a sec |
| 22:23.38 | Caeryn|W | table lookups! |
| 22:23.40 | ckknight | Caeryn|W, BZ:GetReverseTranslation(GetRealZoneName()) works as a _fine_ ID. |
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| 22:23.46 | Malivil | speaking of Orgrimmar |
| 22:23.50 | Thunder_Child | lol |
| 22:23.50 | Thunder_Child | "Things I Hate About People: |
| 22:23.50 | Thunder_Child | People who point at their wrist while asking for the time.... I know where my watch is pal, where the hell is yours? Do I point at my crotch when I ask where the toilet is?" |
| 22:24.00 | Malivil | There was a massive raid on Org and UC yesterday as a kick off for the 2.0 |
| 22:24.12 | Caeryn|W | BZ? What is BZ? |
| 22:24.15 | Malivil | Alliance compeltely owned us horde @ Org, but we held them off @ UC |
| 22:24.16 | ckknight | Babble-Zone-2.2 |
| 22:24.18 | Malivil | It was fun |
| 22:24.20 | Corrodias | what's the point of making a table of strings matching to strings if they're equal to each other? if you have the key, you already have the value. there's no need to look it up. |
| 22:24.38 | Caeryn|W | I've not warmed up to the idea of using libraries in wow yet |
| 22:24.41 | ckknight | Cide, frankly, I think you're arguing for the sake of being contrary. |
| 22:25.03 | tyroney|work | I swear there was a zone id. Was it removed, or am I crazy? |
| 22:25.17 | ckknight | tyroney|work, there is a zone ID, it varies depending on the client, thus is not good. |
| 22:25.17 | Neuro_Medivh | possibly both |
| 22:25.21 | Cide | ckknight: I'm arguing because relying on localized data for anything but display is a bad design decision |
| 22:25.25 | tyroney|work | Ew. variation. |
| 22:25.43 | ckknight | my solution works and is good, efficient, has not broken, and will not break. |
| 22:25.45 | nymbia | Caeryn: the advantage to something like BZ is that if a user uses it in multiple mods, there's only one localization table in memory, as opposed to one for each mod. |
| 22:25.48 | Corrodias | my old map notes are in the wrong places now because of zone ID's changing |
| 22:25.53 | Arrowmaster | what about localized data for comunication between clients |
| 22:25.55 | Caeryn|W | Corrodias: a lookup table is a way to convert your localized string into a generic string/id/variable name |
| 22:25.58 | Corrodias | it seems strange to me that they would change the ID's for zones, though |
| 22:26.03 | Cide | Arrowmaster: also a bad design decision |
| 22:26.12 | Cide | ckknight: it will break if a new zone is added |
| 22:26.26 | ckknight | Cide, it'll be added to Babble by the time release happens |
| 22:26.29 | ckknight | so what's the problem? |
| 22:26.31 | ckknight | I mean, really? |
| 22:26.35 | ckknight | I have class. |
| 22:26.36 | Cide | ckknight: people not updating? |
| 22:26.39 | Arrowmaster | how is localizing communication data a bad design decision? |
| 22:26.39 | Neuro_Medivh | localization is, by it's very nature, another layer of abstraction |
| 22:26.45 | Corrodias | localized string? okay, it's time for me to stop talking. you guys have ventured into some realm of programming that i've not seen. :| |
| 22:27.00 | nevcairiel | Arrowmaster: try a german and english client talking together :) |
| 22:27.10 | Cide | Arrowmaster: uh, because one client receives it, thinking it's german, when the english client sends it in english |
| 22:27.15 | Neuro_Medivh | localization is between the user and the interface, not between the interface and the engine |
| 22:27.24 | Cide | Neuro_Medivh: exactly my point |
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| 22:27.28 | ckknight | Cart sends all its messages in English |
| 22:27.30 | ckknight | tada, no problem |
| 22:27.42 | Arrowmaster | by that i mean using localizations and using the reverse localization during communication |
| 22:27.49 | Arrowmaster | ie the english names |
| 22:27.52 | AnduinLothar | program languages are almsot all psudo english |
| 22:27.55 | Cide | ckknight: except that you rely on that all clients have up-to-date english localization files |
| 22:28.03 | Caeryn|W | nymbia: that's pretty much the benefits of any kind of libraries be it dlls or .lib. I understand the benefits, i just don't think a user wants to download libraries (but if users use it often then of course a generalized library is good) |
| 22:28.17 | Cide | Arrowmaster: again, that relies on the same version of the data on both sides |
| 22:28.23 | nevcairiel | Caeryn|W: embed them :) |
| 22:28.23 | nymbia | Caeryn: hence why they're embedded. |
| 22:28.24 | Arrowmaster | Caeryn|W, users dont download embeded librarys |
| 22:28.29 | Cide | but if you want to break cross compatibility, be my guest. |
| 22:28.37 | Cide | s/cross/backwards/ |
| 22:28.51 | tyroney|work | Maybe the zone numbers will never change again! Maybe it was just a mistake that was rectified that once! Maybe we can all live happily ever after! |
| 22:29.06 | Caeryn|W | nev/nymbia/arrowmaster: ah i see ;) |
| 22:29.16 | MentalPower | maybe we live in a perfect world |
| 22:29.35 | Tain | There are potential argumets to be made as to whether or not is is good design, Cide. But to argue that it means people have to have the same version is a little silly when everyone is constantly pushing for people to have the same version of addons that communicate. |
| 22:29.47 | Caeryn|W | i'm still trying to convert everything i read here into a c or perl analogy to understand it :P |
| 22:30.18 | Tain | How many times have we heard, "Make sure everyone is on the latest version of CT_RA" |
| 22:30.19 | Arrowmaster | example being all the problems caused by people using different versions of ctraid |
| 22:30.32 | Cide | Tain: and how many times has that come from me, other than for bug fixes? |
| 22:30.38 | Cide | never |
| 22:30.50 | Arrowmaster | our raids require the latest version of CTRA or oRA, or you get booted from the raid |
| 22:30.58 | nymbia | Cide: BZ is indexed by english name, so either they have the capability to decode the note's zone into their language or they aren't capable of having notes in that zone at all. |
| 22:31.02 | Cide | that's hardly an argument in this case, Arrowmaster |
| 22:31.10 | Cide | nymbia: exactly. |
| 22:31.28 | Cide | nymbia: if you go by texture, you have up-to-date, language-independent information available at all times. voila! |
| 22:31.30 | Arrowmaster | and they get error |
| 22:31.34 | Arrowmaster | and they go update it |
| 22:31.44 | Cide | Arrowmaster: not from CTRA |
| 22:32.00 | Arrowmaster | i was talking about what nymbia just said |
| 22:32.11 | Cide | ah. |
| 22:32.27 | Cide | how would they get errors from a texture? |
| 22:32.30 | Tain | I just don't think the distinction is anything more then personal opinion at that point. |
| 22:33.12 | [Ammo] | textures change as well, remember the mages getting a new texture for their ice thingy :) |
| 22:33.17 | [Ammo] | everything changes |
| 22:33.23 | Caeryn|W | sinead o connor |
| 22:33.25 | nymbia | Cide: there's other parts of cartographer that they'd need to update for in the event of a new zone; specifically foglight and zoneinfo |
| 22:33.29 | Cide | [Ammo]: that's again a display issue |
| 22:33.52 | [Ammo] | Cide: if you index stuff by the texture it's also another issue |
| 22:34.04 | Corrodias | sinead o connor? are you trying to make me scream? |
| 22:34.08 | [Ammo] | but I was only pointing out there's a lot of things changing, even things you think don't change. |
| 22:34.09 | Cide | nymbia: that might be true, but that's irrelevant in this case |
| 22:34.15 | nymbia | Cide: foglight being an unhider for unexplored areas and ZoneInfo displaying the level of a zone and instances contained therein. |
| 22:34.23 | MentalPower | [Ammo]: actually the old mage armor graphic is still there |
| 22:34.33 | Cide | what MentalPower said |
| 22:34.34 | MentalPower | they just added a new one and changed the references |
| 22:34.41 | Caeryn|W | i think that if you insist on using textures to identify the zone you're in, you should be well aware that it should be considered a hack.. i still think the correct wall to implement it is to check the zoneid (if there is one) or the zone name |
| 22:35.00 | Cide | Caeryn|W: zone name is localized, and thus not good. there is no zone id |
| 22:35.01 | Corrodias | we rely on textures to identify buffs, don't we? |
| 22:35.02 | MentalPower | there is no such thing as zoneId available to the client |
| 22:35.02 | [Ammo] | they changed a reference which was my point, ohwell |
| 22:35.03 | Caeryn|W | wall? i meant way |
| 22:35.30 | Corrodias | hang on there, guys. if zoneid's are not available to the client, how could mapnotes have arranged your notes by zone id? |
| 22:35.34 | Caeryn|W | Cide: right which is why you can either create a global definition of the zone name ie ZONE_NAME_STORMWIND = localizednameofstormwind or a hash lookup imho |
| 22:35.46 | Cide | Corrodias: "zone id" is something invented by the addons |
| 22:35.57 | [Ammo] | Corrodias: they made up their own ids |
| 22:35.57 | MentalPower | ZoneId = {GetMapZones()} |
| 22:35.59 | Cide | Caeryn|W: which is *exactly* what I've been arguing against for the past 15 minutes |
| 22:36.08 | Cide | MentalPower: changes depending on locale |
| 22:36.12 | MentalPower | wich returns localized names |
| 22:36.19 | Cide | they're not in a universal order |
| 22:36.19 | MentalPower | Cide: was getting to that |
| 22:36.28 | MentalPower | Cide: I'm on your side here :) |
| 22:36.30 | nymbia | Cide: it's completely relevant. |
| 22:36.30 | Caeryn|W | Cide: so you're arguing against using a global definition or a hash lookup? |
| 22:36.32 | Cide | ah. carry on! |
| 22:36.36 | Cide | Caeryn|W: yes. |
| 22:36.45 | Caeryn|W | Cide: why is that again? |
| 22:37.03 | Corrodias | then what's the problem with using your invented zoneid's to identify the zones? how did this discussion even start? |
| 22:37.10 | MentalPower | zoneId 3 in enUS is *not* the same zone as in deDE |
| 22:37.13 | Cide | Caeryn|W: I'm not arguing against a global definition. I'm arguing against a manually mantained global definition |
| 22:37.27 | nymbia | zone numbers are a terrible thing to use. |
| 22:37.38 | Arrowmaster | but babblezone doesnt use zoneId numbers |
| 22:37.38 | Corrodias | oh, you're talking about the index of the table at which you're finding the zone name? |
| 22:37.40 | Cide | Caeryn|W: zone name is a locale-independent global definition, which is what I'm arguing *for* |
| 22:37.56 | Cide | Arrowmaster: babblezone uses, *gasp* manually maintained localizations |
| 22:37.58 | Kirkburn | Chocolate is nice, isn't it |
| 22:37.59 | MentalPower | zone texture name |
| 22:38.01 | Tain | Then why aren't we all using the non-manually maintaned global definitions in the game and be done with it. |
| 22:38.05 | Cide | Kirkburn: oh yeah |
| 22:38.13 | Cide | Tain: my point :) |
| 22:38.37 | nymbia | Cide: you cannot expect an addon like cartographer to have automatic future compatibility when it needs to have data like the subarea indexes and the zone levels manually maintained. it is completely impossible. |
| 22:38.38 | Tain | No, that was actually a question. I didn't think there even were any such thing. |
| 22:38.45 | Caeryn|W | by non manually maintained you mean stuff like texture vs stuff like babblezone where they define variables? |
| 22:38.47 | nevcairiel | Cide: just had a quick look through CT2 .. in CT_Core you hook UIParent_ManageFramePositions .. i dunno .. but i think that taints the actionbar placement code and will cause lots of blocked errors. |
| 22:39.05 | Kirkburn | I like chocolate |
| 22:39.08 | Cide | nevcairiel: I haven't had an issue, but it's a possibility. I'll check, thanks |
| 22:39.21 | Cide | Caeryn|W: yes |
| 22:39.23 | Tain | I like traffic lights.. |
| 22:39.27 | cladhaire | me too |
| 22:39.29 | Corrodias | chocolate has too much saturated fat for me |
| 22:39.29 | Cide | Tain: map texture is such a thing, yes |
| 22:39.31 | cladhaire | only when they're purple. |
| 22:39.32 | Thunder_Child | Kirkburn, only if it's White Chocolate |
| 22:39.37 | Kirkburn | eww |
| 22:39.45 | Tim | Although we recently removed the ability for poisons and other temporary item buffs to persist through zones due to performance issues, we believe we have overcome those technical limitations and plan to have the functionality re-implemented for the expansion. |
| 22:39.47 | Tim | Thank god! |
| 22:40.05 | Inside | >_> through zones? |
| 22:40.07 | Tain | Map textures are manually maintained. Just by someone else. :) |
| 22:40.13 | Caeryn|W | http://talents.unleashedgaming.net/?p=ct <-- haha! |
| 22:40.19 | Corrodias | cladhaire! the version of Clique you handed to me a few days ago had one bug i noted right away, but i don't know if the version has changed on wowi |
| 22:40.24 | Corrodias | i really like the new interface, though |
| 22:40.28 | Cide | Tain: yes, but it's easier to apply version control on wow clients than on addons ;) |
| 22:40.55 | Cide | nymbia: so, because you are maintaining other things manually, it's the right thing to do to use manually maintained things everywhere else just for the hell of it? |
| 22:41.23 | Corrodias | Caeryn: what the heck is that? |
| 22:41.26 | Tain | I dunno, seems like a fine idea to me! But enough of a hack still where I wouldn't really want to argue it as better than any other. |
| 22:41.27 | Cide | nymbia: if you used zone texture, you could display "Unknown" for zone level while map notes happily live on |
| 22:41.42 | Caeryn|W | Corrodias: make your own talent tree and send it to your friends |
| 22:41.53 | Corrodias | bizarre |
| 22:42.33 | Tain | What if we get dynamically created zones in an update? |
| 22:43.05 | Cide | Tain: then zone textures are perfect! |
| 22:43.11 | Tain | I'm vaguely surprised we haven't yet, actually. |
| 22:43.17 | Tain | Not necessarily in WoW, but in general. |
| 22:43.24 | Cide | how can a manually maintained hash table keep up with dynamic content? :) |
| 22:43.36 | Corrodias | patch test realms |
| 22:43.37 | Tain | It can't! |
| 22:43.53 | Corrodias | oh, dynamically during the game? |
| 22:43.53 | Tain | But neither can static map texture names on dynamicly created zones. |
| 22:43.54 | nymbia | Cide: then we get the whips going in the translation factory ;) |
| 22:43.56 | Tain | It breaks everything. |
| 22:44.00 | Tain | Which is the beauty of it! |
| 22:44.09 | cladhaire | Corrodias: What was the bug? |
| 22:44.13 | Cide | Tain: depends on how it's done :P |
| 22:44.20 | Tain | Gatherer? Thing of the past! |
| 22:44.25 | Caeryn|W | Cide: I don't really consider zone names very dynamic |
| 22:44.32 | Caeryn|W | its not like they will rename Stormwind City |
| 22:44.35 | Tain | Mapnotes? Made unusable! |
| 22:44.49 | Cide | Caeryn|W: not right now, but take Tain's example where they are dynamic. that's what I was commenting on (joking about) |
| 22:44.49 | Mery | MapNotes was poor |
| 22:45.01 | Mery | but not unsuable, just unreadable |
| 22:45.04 | Corrodias | clad: i assigned "Abolish Poison" to alt-leftclick and "Remove Curse" to alt-rightclick. on the blizzard playerframe, they worked correctly -except- that alt-rightclick on the health or mana bar would cast Abolish Poison instead of Remove Curse |
| 22:45.10 | Mery | since the sotuluion was messy at best |
| 22:45.12 | cladhaire | herm |
| 22:45.13 | cladhaire | neat |
| 22:45.15 | Mery | solution* |
| 22:45.23 | cladhaire | maybe i can reproduce that |
| 22:45.27 | Tain | I think procedurally created zone geography would be fantastic. |
| 22:45.54 | cladhaire | Corrodias: Would you mind filing an issue http://code.google.com/p/wow-clique/issues/list so I remember to look ? |
| 22:46.01 | Corrodias | alright. |
| 22:46.09 | Caeryn|W | i think as a matter of practice, its a good idea to make things as expansible as possible without randomly making up low probability changes |
| 22:46.12 | Elkano | cladhaire, maybe it's the same problem I had with renew/shield |
| 22:46.23 | Corrodias | i haven't had a chance to test the version you have up on wowi, if that's any different |
| 22:46.29 | Cide | Caeryn|W: and still, Stormwind City is dynamic in the sense that it is "Stormwind City", "Stormwich Stahd", "Le Sterme de PĆ¼te", "5#%")%"", "Grande Capita de Mucho Largo Chicas" at the same time |
| 22:46.40 | Cide | (c) Cide on those names, btw |
| 22:46.47 | Caeryn|W | haha |
| 22:46.55 | Inside | XD |
| 22:46.55 | cladhaire | Elkano: Hrm, what issue was that? |
| 22:47.01 | Tain | Someone call Will Wright and see if he can start working on a Spore MMOG |
| 22:47.11 | Caeryn|W | Cide: *shrug* in that case I think to maintain a seperate localized_frFR.lua etc file on those seem like a good idea |
| 22:47.15 | jaxdahl | Tain, i'll get him on the bananaphone |
| 22:47.29 | Cide | Caeryn|W: keyword being maintaining. think about it. they all have the same texture. |
| 22:47.39 | Cide | it's just waiting there, eager to be used by addon authors |
| 22:47.44 | Elkano | well, it also sometimes casted the leftclick spell when rightclicking, but that was some weeks ago in beta |
| 22:47.55 | Tain | Ding! My Ameoba has legs! I levelled! |
| 22:48.02 | Caeryn|W | Cide: well, think about it too, they will always be called Stormwind City in their localized language |
| 22:48.12 | Cide | Caeryn|W: yes, but take outland |
| 22:48.19 | Cide | the addon author is not in beta? tough luck |
| 22:48.21 | Tain | Unless Stormwind is taken over by the Horde and renamed, "New Orgrimmar" |
| 22:48.29 | [Ammo] | hehe |
| 22:48.35 | Malivil | Good idea |
| 22:48.38 | Cide | Caeryn|W: then you're screwed until someone releases an update |
| 22:48.42 | pastamancer | Tain: similar things have happened in everquest ;) |
| 22:48.59 | Caeryn|W | Tain needs to stop spinning bridges out of the cotton candy and the souls of unicorns |
| 22:49.01 | Tain | Everquest Schmeverquest |
| 22:49.08 | Caeryn|W | :) |
| 22:49.25 | Tain | Unicorn souls are tasty on popcorn. |
| 22:49.29 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Arrowmaster` (i=Arrow@cpe-24-209-111-105.woh.res.rr.com) |
| 22:49.48 | Tain | They add that nice little... BAM! |
| 22:49.52 | Tain | To kick it up a notch. |
| 22:50.13 | Shadowed | Anyone have a recommendation for a mod that converts rating to actual useful info? Hard to find something with all the sites being killed :( |
| 22:51.12 | SB1-Work | Shadowed, the more I think about that, the more I'd advise against installing anything that does that.. |
| 22:51.14 | nymbia | whatsit.. Rating Buster i think? |
| 22:51.23 | Shadowed | SB1-Work: Whys that? |
| 22:51.33 | SB1-Work | I can just see the whine now... "I DINGED AND LOST CRIT, WTF"... because the tooltip changed (which was displaying the crit %) |
| 22:51.34 | Shadowed | The ones i've seen add the number *next* to the line, not replace it |
| 22:51.55 | Maldivia | Did they just do a global notice, about a local restart of a server? ;) |
| 22:51.56 | Shadowed | I'm not stupid enough to think that :p |
| 22:51.59 | Elkano | cladhaire: but I think it was not caused by clique since it was reproducable by setting attributes without clique loaded |
| 22:52.00 | nymbia | SB1-Work: well, that IS the case ;) |
| 22:52.14 | Corrodias | cladhaire: the issue has been posted |
| 22:52.43 | Shadowed | nymbia will look into it, thanks |
| 22:52.58 | Corrodias | nymbia will buy me a new Lexus sedan |
| 22:53.03 | SB1-Work | nymbia, exactly... which is why it's better off left alone, so people see only the static numbers ;) |
| 22:53.04 | Corrodias | *jedi mind trick* |
| 22:53.13 | Tain | I heard clique taints the local water supply |
| 22:53.26 | Shadowed | clique uses ace, it must kill babies too Tain |
| 22:53.37 | Shadowed | oh wait it doesn't |
| 22:53.43 | Shadowed | hrm, well. it still kills babies |
| 22:53.46 | Corrodias | maybe blizzard's playerframe has a bug rather than clique |
| 22:53.50 | Tain | yeah without Ace it just doesn't eat the babies |
| 22:53.57 | jaxdahl | SB1-Work, hardly noticeable |
| 22:54.04 | Shadowed | Need the babie eating library |
| 22:54.13 | jaxdahl | it's less than 1/10th of 1 percent change for most stats when you level |
| 22:54.23 | Corrodias | but allow me to reiterate that i love clique's new interface |
| 22:54.30 | nymbia | SB1-Work: maybe have one that only shows the level 70 numbers or something? heh. |
| 22:54.32 | jaxdahl | SB1-Work, never mind |
| 22:54.36 | SB1-Work | jaxdahl, true. But, it's still there... |
| 22:54.41 | Corrodias | just click on the spell in your book to assign it. huzzah! |
| 22:55.03 | jaxdahl | if you had like 100 crit rating, you'd notice it when you level |
| 22:55.08 | SB1-Work | nymbia, add in whine v2: "It says I have X% crit. But after comparing for hours on end, I have Y% crit!" |
| 22:55.10 | jaxdahl | 10, you wouldn't notice |
| 22:55.29 | SB1-Work | 10? Nah, not at all |
| 22:55.40 | Corrodias | SB1-Work: if your addon has a bug in its calculations, it's not my fault |
| 22:55.41 | SB1-Work | But I have around 70 or 80 on my mage |
| 22:56.04 | nymbia | SB1-Work: maybe change the display on their character pane too. placebo effect! "MY CRIT R SO HIGH!" |
| 22:56.05 | SB1-Work | Corrodias, hehe that's unrelated... and completly out of context ;) |
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| 22:56.15 | Corrodias | yeah, i know. i'm just having some fun |
| 22:56.25 | SB1-Work | Ah the whine of noobs |
| 22:56.31 | abug | ~sky |
| 22:56.33 | purl | [sky] blue because hash likes it that way |
| 22:57.57 | SB1-Work | The built in UI changing the crit % as you level is bad enough (though rightfully so)... but imagine linking someone an item, and saying, "check out that 1.5% crit!" and they just respond with "wtf? you mean 1% crit?" |
| 22:58.20 | Shadowed | If somebody said that, i'd probably be close to ignoring them anyway |
| 22:58.28 | Corrodias | short answer: i don't mind if people freak out |
| 22:58.30 | SB1-Work | lol |
| 22:58.30 | Thursdae|Away | hai |
| 22:58.37 | SB1-Work | Corrodias, right on :) |
| 22:58.38 | Cairenn | hi Thursdae |
| 22:58.39 | Shadowed | Stats are being changed to using the rating system in 2.0 thought, i'm not imaging things? |
| 22:58.45 | jaxdahl | Shadowed, yes |
| 22:58.46 | SB1-Work | They are, yeah |
| 22:58.47 | Shadowed | kk |
| 22:58.48 | jaxdahl | and 2.0 is today |
| 22:58.56 | Shadowed | yeah |
| 22:59.00 | Shadowed | extended maintence is fun |
| 22:59.13 | SB1-Work | There was a blue post somewhere which stated just how much of what stat does what at what level some time back |
| 22:59.25 | SB1-Work | All I can remember is spell crit, and at 60, 14 spell crit = 1% |
| 22:59.26 | Shadowed | yeah I know, just wanted to be sure that it was being added in before I explain it to someone :p |
| 22:59.27 | Corrodias | i need a nap |
| 22:59.30 | jaxdahl | yes, it was recorded on the wiki |
| 22:59.34 | jaxdahl | but the wiki is down |
| 22:59.44 | SB1-Work | Awesome, I hoped someone would record that up there |
| 22:59.49 | SB1-Work | I was far too lazy to do it myself :p |
| 23:00.03 | jaxdahl | it will be here: http://www.wowwiki.com/Formulas:Combat_Ratings_System |
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| 23:02.11 | SB1-Work | Is the wiki being hit with a legit DDoS or just regular downtime? |
| 23:02.29 | cladhaire | Corrodias: thanks |
| 23:02.37 | Kirkburn | If you call extreme load from people wanting updates a DDoS attack? |
| 23:02.43 | Corrodias | np |
| 23:02.55 | jaxdahl | ooh, it loaded the title of that page |
| 23:02.56 | SB1-Work | Distributed Denial of Service attack, yes ;) |
| 23:03.01 | cladhaire | Elkano: I think it was an issue with the way Slouken numbered the buttons |
| 23:03.14 | cladhaire | there was a version that it went 2 == middle, 3 == right .. not that that explains it |
| 23:03.18 | cladhaire | but i'm blaming it for now =) |
| 23:03.22 | cladhaire | until the servers come up |
| 23:03.50 | ag` | Kirkburn: Mmm. But the servers aren't up yet, are they? |
| 23:04.08 | Thursdae | Servers are up at 5PM Pacific |
| 23:04.13 | Thursdae | Thats like 9 Eastern |
| 23:04.51 | cladhaire | yeah |
| 23:04.54 | cladhaire | suxors in the buttzors. |
| 23:04.59 | jaxdahl | gave addon authors a lot of time |
| 23:05.05 | jaxdahl | but will also logjam the raiders |
| 23:05.21 | cladhaire | raiding can't happen withotu decursive |
| 23:05.27 | SB1-Work | haha, raiders... |
| 23:05.34 | Thursdae | then do it the old fashion way lol |
| 23:05.47 | SB1-Work | Rage "normalized", all classes can mostly effecitvely DPS now, and mage -threat reduced |
| 23:05.53 | SB1-Work | There won't be a lot of "raiding" going on tonight |
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| 23:06.58 | Thursdae | Im loving the new WoWWiki layout.... |
| 23:07.04 | Thursdae | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:13.31 | jaxdahl | Thursdae, it's true, less is more |
| 23:16.19 | Kaso | heard about EJ's hakkar antics ? |
| 23:16.24 | jaxdahl | no |
| 23:16.35 | Thursdae | Rawr, somone should make some addon tutorials |
| 23:16.44 | Kaso | 2% on hakkar with all aspects up |
| 23:17.19 | jaxdahl | i did hear EJ got KT |
| 23:17.21 | jaxdahl | a couple days ago |
| 23:17.52 | Kaso | yah they did |
| 23:21.30 | Thursdae | Quiet |
| 23:22.12 | jaxdahl | http://forums.elitistjerks.com/viewtopic.php?id=9493 |
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| 23:23.27 | Thursdae | hardeehar i love that one guys avatar |
| 23:23.29 | Thursdae | http://forums.elitistjerks.com/img/avatars/3767.gif |
| 23:24.13 | Kaso | haah that is pretty good |
| 23:24.14 | nevcairiel | cladhaire: concerning that cast issue Elkano had .. i think they changed something in the latest patch .. i set unit2 on my button and it doesnt work at all, guess same goes for spell2 etc :( |
| 23:24.56 | nevcairiel | it used to work before, tho |
| 23:25.07 | Thursdae | Is it normal for rogues to get Thunderfury??? O.o http://ctprofiles.net/34528 |
| 23:25.17 | cladhaire | nevcairiel: Nah |
| 23:25.21 | cladhaire | the issue is with the player and party frames |
| 23:25.22 | Thursdae | Never seen it before |
| 23:25.29 | cladhaire | the portraits get all clicks |
| 23:25.33 | Kaso | TF on rogues is pretty common |
| 23:25.37 | cladhaire | the rest of the frame gets a leftbutton for any mouse click |
| 23:25.38 | cladhaire | which is a bug |
| 23:25.39 | jaxdahl | Thursdae, sure. |
| 23:25.45 | Thursdae | First time ive ever seen it O.o |
| 23:25.46 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 23:25.48 | Kaso | hell you used to see TF on hunters before people knew what the bindings were |
| 23:25.53 | cladhaire | on top of that, target frame and petframe don't get anything outside the portrait |
| 23:25.55 | cladhaire | i just want consistency =) |
| 23:26.06 | nevcairiel | still, some change in the secure code broke my right-click casting |
| 23:26.20 | nevcairiel | i set unit2 to player and nothing happens at all |
| 23:26.23 | Thursdae | Ive seen like 3 in my life though lmao |
| 23:27.50 | Tain | I should have sold off my arcanite before people got to see what was in tbc. |
| 23:27.55 | Arrowmaster | 3 tunderfurys? |
| 23:28.11 | Thursdae | yea, maybe its just not that I looked around for it or whatnot but yea |
| 23:28.19 | Arrowmaster | we have 3 in guild, and two of them are owned by brothers |
| 23:28.43 | Thursdae | I see, my guild never got one and broke up lol... We were close but the item we needed never dropped ever. |
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| 23:30.01 | Thursdae | Anyone know the Interface # of the new patch? |
| 23:30.09 | Legorol | 20000 |
| 23:30.18 | abug | wtb more legendaries in the game |
| 23:30.21 | Thursdae | Alright, thanks |
| 23:30.24 | Legorol | Thursdae: wait |
| 23:30.31 | Thursdae | oh? |
| 23:30.35 | Legorol | do you plan to change TOC number in existing addons to get them working? |
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| 23:30.42 | Thursdae | No |
| 23:30.46 | Legorol | ok |
| 23:30.53 | Thursdae | Im starting to make my own and I wanted to know |
| 23:30.59 | Legorol | just checking :) |
| 23:31.12 | Thursdae | Kay :D |
| 23:31.13 | abug | that's what they all say, then they become TOC changers |
| 23:31.14 | Legorol | btw, i hear that servers are down for longer time, any news on that? |
| 23:31.35 | Thursdae | Yea its down till 9PM Eastern blizz said |
| 23:31.42 | jaxdahl | yea, 5 pm pacific |
| 23:31.51 | Thursdae | 8PM central |
| 23:31.53 | jaxdahl | hour and half to go |
| 23:32.00 | Caeryn|W | omg toc changers! |
| 23:32.06 | Cairenn | >< |
| 23:32.08 | jaxdahl | 8pm eastern, 7pm central, 6pm mountain |
| 23:32.12 | Thursdae | or is it 8PM eastern and 7pm central |
| 23:32.20 | Thursdae | yea that sorry, forgot |
| 23:32.24 | Tain | Just run the tocupdate exe and it will fix all your addons for you! |
| 23:32.40 | Thursdae | Meh, all mods wont be fixed though :D |
| 23:32.48 | jaxdahl | Thursdae, it's a keylogger |
| 23:32.49 | Caeryn|W | sure it will |
| 23:32.51 | Caeryn|W | it worked for me |
| 23:32.58 | Caeryn|W | all i did was change my TOC and CTRaid works again |
| 23:33.03 | Cairenn | lol |
| 23:33.04 | Thursdae | I wasn't planning on dling it anyways lol :D |
| 23:33.35 | Thursdae | Well sure Caeryn, some will I guess, but won't some have issues with 5.1? |
| 23:33.38 | abug | I changed the number for hello_world n it wurked fine u guys r nubs |
| 23:33.54 | Caeryn|W | actually when I loaded up WoW and it asked "Would you like to use our new features? It includes secure frames, a new LUA 5.1 engine and many many new features" I clicked on "Remind me in 24 hours" |
| 23:33.56 | Thursdae | Your teh masta abug |
| 23:34.26 | Thursdae | I see. D: I have to redl the patch... I had it dled last night and now its gone! -.- |
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| 23:36.51 | Thursdae | Cairenn: Do you have farang's Frame tutorial on the helpful links post? If not I would add it :) Very helpful and great |
| 23:37.19 | Cairenn | pretty sure it's on the thread on the blizz forum |
| 23:37.30 | Cairenn | need to get the thread on wowi caught back up |
| 23:37.30 | Caeryn|W | I don't think today is the day we want people learning how to start programming in LUA. |
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| 23:37.40 | Cairenn | but not today |
| 23:38.04 | Thursdae | Ha, Ive been wanting to but I had been without a computer and WoW for awhile so i couldnt :( Nows the day I can start |
| 23:38.31 | Caeryn|W | hey people slip through the cracks. today is the day we tell everyone "just change your TOC and everything will be ok" |
| 23:38.50 | Caeryn|W | Thursdae: btw it will not work for most mods |
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| 23:39.23 | Laric | Cairenn I guess wowi is takign a real beating today? |
| 23:39.28 | Thursdae | Yea I know that >_< |
| 23:39.33 | Cairenn | Laric: everyone is |
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| 23:40.20 | Cairenn | and tomorrow will be just as bad |
| 23:40.23 | Thursdae | Will my little gay newb mods work on 2.0 though? D: I think they would |
| 23:40.33 | Neuro_Medivh | I can tell you this |
| 23:40.33 | Caeryn|W | like a flanboyant gay in a s&m festival |
| 23:40.37 | Cairenn | *hopefully* by Thursday things will start to calm down a bit, but I'm not counting on it |
| 23:40.39 | Neuro_Medivh | the default UI works flawlessly! |
| 23:40.49 | jaxdahl | there are bugs in it aren't there? |
| 23:40.56 | Thursdae | default ui is the root of all evil |
| 23:41.06 | Neuro_Medivh | no, those are 'features' |
| 23:41.07 | Caeryn|W | ? i like the default UI |
| 23:41.09 | Laric | I am on the euroservers downloading now to be prepared on the mods I use :P so I put it on a personal server for friends and guildies to pick it up from :P |
| 23:41.16 | Caeryn|W | i keep my ui as closeto default as possible :P |
| 23:41.27 | jaxdahl | http://blue.cardplace.com/newcache/us/51975527.htm |
| 23:41.33 | Thursdae | I use like every discord mod possible to make it not look like default |
| 23:42.05 | Neuro_Medivh | heheh, good luck with that now! =) |
| 23:42.08 | jaxdahl | the only things on my UI that resemble the default are the map and chat frames |
| 23:42.08 | Thursdae | Its just I get bored of the look of default... |
| 23:42.10 | Tain | You could use all the Discord mods and go full circle and make it look exactly like the default. |
| 23:42.14 | Laric | Thursdae then I guess you are out of luck as I read discord wont be ready any time soon? |
| 23:42.37 | Caeryn|W | discord is the goddamn devil, the really mess up the actionbars so that if you turn off discord, your bars are fubared badly |
| 23:42.40 | Thursdae | Yep :D But I'm okay with default I suppose :S I use it when im on my laptop |
| 23:42.43 | abug | the default UI needs more pr0n |
| 23:42.47 | Caeryn|W | i prefer bartender which at least still keeps your actionbars |
| 23:42.53 | Cairenn | pr0n == good |
| 23:42.56 | Thursdae | Caeryn, thats only if you set up the bars messy |
| 23:43.05 | Thursdae | If you take the time to set them up right, theres no problem |
| 23:43.19 | Tain | porn taints your UI |
| 23:43.34 | Neuro_Medivh | and your palms |
| 23:43.48 | Tain | It'll make your UI hairy. |
| 23:43.50 | Thursdae | Has anyone made a video player addon? lol porn during raids ;) |
| 23:44.15 | Neuro_Medivh | No, I have a modicum of self-control |
| 23:44.33 | Neuro_Medivh | WoW is WoW, and porn is porn, and never the twain shall meet |
| 23:44.55 | Caeryn|W | pity |
| 23:44.56 | Thursdae | What about the WoW video, "The Internet is for Porn"? |
| 23:44.56 | abug | when live action meets wow, porn happens |
| 23:45.09 | Neuro_Medivh | that's a song ABOUT porn |
| 23:45.12 | Neuro_Medivh | there's no porn in there |
| 23:45.17 | Thursdae | Taurens in jail give a new meaning to meat in a bun :D |
| 23:45.19 | Cairenn | ~for porn |
| 23:45.26 | purl | http://www.infested.dk/uploads/Forporn.avi |
| 23:45.29 | Tain | haha |
| 23:45.59 | Caeryn|W | ~naked ne chicks |
| 23:46.01 | Neuro_Medivh | btw, that song is from a broadway musical |
| 23:46.07 | Thursdae | Yes I know :) |
| 23:46.10 | Thursdae | I want to see it |
| 23:46.18 | Neuro_Medivh | It's playing in Vegas |
| 23:46.24 | Thursdae | Avenue Q |
| 23:46.30 | abug | if you were gay, that'd be okay |
| 23:46.31 | Neuro_Medivh | as is Spamalot |
| 23:47.03 | jaxdahl | is there a way to browse all addons, sorted by newest to oldest, regardless of category? |
| 23:47.03 | abug | everyone's a little bit racist sometimes |
| 23:47.21 | Thursdae | yes... *little* |
| 23:47.27 | Tain | Don't forget http://www.whoresofwarcraft.com/ |
| 23:47.46 | Thursdae | what the fucking fuck? |
| 23:48.01 | Thursdae | People magazine did a huge 2 page article about Whorecraft. |
| 23:48.09 | Caeryn|W | what's whorecraft? |
| 23:48.19 | Thursdae | Oh thats an austrailian thing |
| 23:48.20 | Gryphen | lol |
| 23:48.27 | Neuro_Medivh | Is that for real? |
| 23:48.27 | jaxdahl | Caeryn|W, porn. |
| 23:48.28 | Tain | The link I just pasted. |
| 23:48.38 | Caeryn|W | W in my name stands for Work |
| 23:48.42 | Caeryn|W | U would be unemployed |
| 23:48.46 | Tain | W is for porn |
| 23:48.51 | Caeryn|W | J would be when I get home and check out that link |
| 23:49.04 | Thursdae | Thats like really hot yet very fucking strange... |
| 23:49.17 | Caeryn|W | i'm a guy |
| 23:49.34 | Neuro_Medivh | Caeryn, that's definately NSFW |
| 23:49.41 | Thursdae | wtf! Taylor rain is in one |
| 23:49.47 | Tain | Depends where you work. |
| 23:49.57 | jaxdahl | it's sad that you recognize who it is |
| 23:50.00 | Caeryn|W | www.wowace.com servers need to stop being such whiny little asses and let me in |
| 23:50.12 | Thursdae | jaxdahl, it says it in there derrrrrrrrrrr |
| 23:50.21 | Tain | Not by the hair of their chinny chin chin |
| 23:50.57 | Thursdae | So who all here actually plays on Hellfire |
| 23:51.03 | Neuro_Medivh | I do |
| 23:51.29 | sylvanaar | lol the realms arent up |
| 23:51.41 | Tain | Is TBC up? |
| 23:51.45 | Thursdae | another hour and 9 minutes then they are |
| 23:52.12 | nevcairiel | beta is working |
| 23:52.38 | Thursdae | Who uses Bluea |
| 23:52.42 | Thursdae | Blua** |
| 23:52.58 | Neuro_Medivh | The editor? |
| 23:53.08 | Thursdae | Yea |
| 23:53.23 | Neuro_Medivh | not I... UltraEdit is all I need |
| 23:53.32 | Thursdae | mmk |
| 23:53.45 | Thursdae | Because its saying SLASH_THURSDAEFRAMES2 = "/tf"; is an error |
| 23:54.36 | Tain | I did try bLua but I still prefer SciTE |
| 23:55.01 | Caeryn|W | I use UltraEdit too |
| 23:55.27 | Thursdae | SciTE looks too big... Blua just seems nice and clean :) And has WoW API thingy built in... i know SciTE does but idk i dont like it as much |
| 23:55.41 | Neuro_Medivh | go with what you prefer |
| 23:56.17 | Thursdae | Blua reminds me of Visual C++ and im used to that :O |
| 23:56.36 | cladhaire | scite is tiny |
| 23:56.42 | cladhaire | insanely tiny O.o |
| 23:56.51 | Thursdae | The space to type is too big... D: |
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| 23:57.07 | Thursdae | I need some flava in my editor |
| 23:57.35 | jaxdahl | you can... resize your window and make it smaller? |
| 23:57.38 | jaxdahl | i love scite |
| 23:57.43 | jaxdahl | simple on the surface |
| 23:57.47 | jaxdahl | can do a lot more in the plumbing |
| 23:57.53 | Thursdae | Meh, I just think the general GUI is cooler in Blua |
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| 23:58.15 | jaxdahl | cooler != productive, necessarily |
| 23:58.15 | ckknight | hey all |
| 23:58.28 | Thursdae | GUIs are supposed to be productive> :O |
| 23:58.42 | cogwheel | Thursdae: hence the word "necessarily" |
| 23:58.54 | Thursdae | Yes Yes :D |
| 23:59.33 | Thursdae | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:59.53 | Cide | cogwheel is the guy that flames people on the forums! |
| 23:59.57 | jaxdahl | i perfer to think of cogwheel as |
| 23:59.58 | jaxdahl | efb |
