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| 00:19.23 | MentalPower | Hey guys, I have a problem |
| 00:19.57 | MentalPower | it turns out that I hook PickupContainerItem to prevent the user from fiddling with their bags while Auctioneer posts a shitton of auctions |
| 00:20.36 | MentalPower | this is so auctioneer doesn't get confused with extra "ITEM_LOCK_CHANGED" events |
| 00:21.14 | MentalPower | this is usually ok, but it turns out that if you're DE'ing stuff PickupContainer internally calls CastSpell(), wich is the problem |
| 00:21.58 | MentalPower | any ideas? |
| 00:22.03 | VoidRaider | Can't you hook CastSpell then ? |
| 00:22.11 | MentalPower | no |
| 00:22.18 | MentalPower | that taints it |
| 00:22.30 | VoidRaider | ah right :/ |
| 00:22.44 | VoidRaider | hmm |
| 00:28.01 | VoidRaider | You can always hide it, but dunno if that's what you really want :| |
| 00:29.58 | MentalPower | that would be overly intrusive, my users would kill me |
| 00:30.17 | VoidRaider | haha :P |
| 00:30.42 | VoidRaider | I'll let you know once I'll have real solution :) |
| 00:30.47 | VoidRaider | or a better idea |
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| 01:11.55 | [Wobin] | hm, can anyone give an opinion on a level 40 frost aoe spec? |
| 01:12.37 | ckknight | I'll give an opinion |
| 01:12.48 | ckknight | focus on your calves more. |
| 01:12.49 | Thunder_Child | ck.... |
| 01:13.00 | ckknight | yes, Thunder_Child? |
| 01:13.03 | Thunder_Child | damn i knew something was coming |
| 01:13.06 | [Wobin] | But then I'll look unbalanced |
| 01:13.20 | [Wobin] | Have you seen how ugly a gnome with chunky calves looks? |
| 01:13.25 | ckknight | but think of the cankles |
| 01:13.34 | Thunder_Child | hmm...more mild than i was expecting |
| 01:14.07 | [Wobin] | Oh I never assume anything worthwhile tacticswise from ck =) |
| 01:14.46 | ckknight | I don't play WoW |
| 01:14.56 | ckknight | so I can't give a good opinion on talent specs |
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| 01:15.05 | [Wobin] | exactly |
| 01:15.26 | ckknight | (still gotta focus on the calves, though) |
| 01:15.39 | [Wobin] | small boned ankles |
| 01:15.45 | [Wobin] | it's a curse, I tell you |
| 01:19.35 | Thunder_Child | 40 point like this http://www.wowhead.com/?talent-bc=RZZbAGIsfx0V ? |
| 01:25.30 | VoidRaider | Night guys :) |
| 01:26.38 | [Wobin] | hm |
| 01:26.48 | [Wobin] | are we getting a free respec after maint? |
| 01:26.54 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 01:27.01 | [Wobin] | Woo, I shall wait then |
| 01:27.14 | [Wobin] | Also, I heard that AoE damage is nerfed |
| 01:27.30 | Thunder_Child | i know cc is in pvp, but that is all i have heard |
| 01:28.10 | [Wobin] | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:28.23 | [Wobin] | I'm not sure how accurate that is |
| 01:29.05 | Thunder_Child | flame > frost |
| 01:29.09 | Thunder_Child | ish |
| 01:29.38 | [Wobin] | true... ish |
| 01:29.52 | [Wobin] | I did like frost though originally, then respecced to flame |
| 01:30.03 | [Wobin] | hm, this changes things =P |
| 01:30.31 | Thunder_Child | i'll stick with a lock for single target dmg then |
| 01:31.02 | [Wobin] | ah |
| 01:31.03 | [Wobin] | 6. First, it's important to note that we've recently increased the spell damage coefficients on the affected AE spells (although this might not be in the version on the test realms yet). So, this change explicitly gave us the ability to improve those coefficients for the "normal" AE case, yet protect the spells against infinitely scaling against more and more opponents. Our desire is to tune the AE spells so that the damage doesn't cap o |
| 01:31.03 | [Wobin] | ut until you exceed about 10 targets, as our AE encounters are actually designed around an assumption of players AE'ing around 10 mobs. Any more than that, we consider unintended and/or exploitive. So, we're probably going to be bumping up the damage caps a bit to account for the now stronger effects of +damage gear and our desire for players to be able to AE around 10 targets without really feeling the effect of the damage caps. |
| 01:32.30 | Thunder_Child | hmmm... |
| 01:32.57 | Thunder_Child | but there are time when more than 10 isnt...improrper....the blasted room in brd comes to mind |
| 01:33.43 | Thunder_Child | s/time/times/ |
| 01:33.56 | Thunder_Child | ...improper* |
| 01:34.40 | MentalPower | blasted? |
| 01:34.53 | Thunder_Child | as in iritating |
| 01:35.03 | MentalPower | you mean the guys in the arena you're not supposed to anger? |
| 01:35.10 | Thunder_Child | the room with the lamps to be lit |
| 01:35.12 | MentalPower | or are you referring to somethingelse |
| 01:35.24 | [Wobin] | the awhatisteum |
| 01:35.28 | MentalPower | ah, yes |
| 01:35.29 | [Wobin] | with the torchholders |
| 01:35.34 | [Wobin] | but they're all nonelite anyway |
| 01:35.39 | MentalPower | blasted room indeed |
| 01:35.59 | Thunder_Child | still there is a place where more than 10 ppl to aoe is reasonable |
| 01:36.26 | [Wobin] | I guess you'd have to doubletank them to be more effective |
| 01:36.37 | [Wobin] | then have two mages with separate aoes =) |
| 01:37.24 | Thunder_Child | didnt say it cant be done, just saying it's iritating |
| 01:37.35 | [Wobin] | actually, I think I can aoe grind fine with that limit |
| 01:37.43 | [Wobin] | I wouldn't want to try more than 10 solo |
| 01:37.53 | [Wobin] | way way too many variables to control |
| 01:38.18 | [Wobin] | I'm glad I didn't have the cash on me to respec last night when I hit 40 =P |
| 01:38.27 | [Wobin] | I totally forgot about the free one |
| 01:40.02 | Thunder_Child | i dunno, can you wait 2 days? |
| 01:40.21 | [Wobin] | hehe |
| 01:40.24 | [Wobin] | for 10g I will |
| 01:40.44 | Thunder_Child | ya mine is 15, same for me |
| 01:42.13 | [Wobin] | I'm quite enjoying the mage |
| 01:42.34 | [Wobin] | It's a little more tactical at times than my rogue |
| 01:43.09 | Thunder_Child | i am working on my druid atm...so....meh |
| 01:49.05 | Thunder_Child | i dont know why but i just cannot seem to get into a druid |
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| 01:57.08 | Kirkburn|afk | Slouken: "The frame protection system has been completely rewritten for the next 2.0.2 beta update", http://blue.cardplace.com/newcache/forums.worldofwarcraft.com/51038839.htm |
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| 02:07.49 | Osagasu | I've just started getting the wierdest bug with FuBar. I can't figure out what's going on, because I haven't updated anything in the last month, but it just started the day before yesterday |
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| 02:14.24 | Osagasu | What EXCELLENT timing! |
| 02:14.32 | Osagasu | ckknight, I need your help. |
| 02:14.58 | jaxdahl | long story short, ckknight, he needs you to destroy the death star |
| 02:15.09 | Kirkburn|afk | It'll be in range in 4 minutes |
| 02:15.09 | ckknight_ | no way man |
| 02:15.19 | Osagasu | meh. |
| 02:15.20 | ckknight_ | I can't get a rocket in such a small hole |
| 02:15.25 | Osagasu | Okay, here's the story. |
| 02:16.10 | Osagasu | FuBar's settings are going screwy on me every time I log in. I haven't updated anything in the last month, but these problems just started two days ago. |
| 02:19.15 | Kirkburn|afk | Screwy how? |
| 02:21.04 | Osagasu | Like... my bottom bar gets split off into two, three, even four bars every time I log in |
| 02:21.25 | Kirkburn|afk | With one or two addons on each 'extra' bar? |
| 02:21.54 | Osagasu | Yeah |
| 02:21.59 | Osagasu | And my clock always disappears. |
| 02:22.00 | ckknight_ | update, Osagasu |
| 02:22.00 | Osagasu | always |
| 02:22.09 | Kirkburn|afk | I've seen the same problem, it occured for me until a couple of days ago |
| 02:22.20 | Kirkburn|afk | As ckknight, update, update |
| 02:22.31 | Osagasu | If there's a newer version than the one on the WoWI site, then tell me where it is. |
| 02:22.35 | Osagasu | Cause that's the one I have. |
| 02:22.58 | Kirkburn|afk | http://www.wowace.com/files/ |
| 02:23.13 | Kirkburn|afk | Though having said that |
| 02:23.29 | Kirkburn|afk | If this is on live WoW, I'd stick with it until tuesday |
| 02:23.46 | Kirkburn|afk | Updating there may cause you far, FAR greater problems |
| 02:24.10 | Kirkburn|afk | I mean, totally borked UI -type problems :) |
| 02:30.32 | ckknight_ | *thumbs up* |
| 02:47.44 | Caeryn | everything blows up on tuesday |
| 02:49.33 | ckknight | Mauve Tuesday. |
| 02:49.46 | Thunder_Child | i actualy prefer it, i have become stuck in an addon rut |
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| 02:51.06 | pastamancer | I need to borrow someone on beta so I can run some tests on grid. I just removed the 1.12 code and I want to make sure I didn't break anything so I can get a zip ready for release. |
| 02:51.33 | ckknight | I'll hop on |
| 02:51.47 | pastamancer | go watch the o.c. :p |
| 02:52.00 | ckknight | I can do both |
| 02:54.07 | ckknight | pastamancer, logging on as Mooster |
| 03:01.48 | Mike-N-Go | Sounds like fun! |
| 03:02.42 | cladhaire | Clique has new fun options |
| 03:02.45 | cladhaire | huzzah! |
| 03:03.06 | pastamancer | fun options are the best kind of options |
| 03:03.13 | cladhaire | well not so much fun |
| 03:03.14 | cladhaire | but necessary |
| 03:03.23 | cladhaire | like, a scrolling list to turn off click-casting on frames |
| 03:03.33 | pastamancer | ooh |
| 03:04.26 | cladhaire | http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/4750/picture1kk9.png |
| 03:04.47 | cladhaire | if a frame is nameless, it won't show up there, |
| 03:04.52 | cladhaire | which means I need to remember to name my frames =) |
| 03:04.57 | pastamancer | sexy |
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| 03:07.23 | Mike-N-Go | I submitted my request for a BETA key on 11/14/2006 at 03:18 AM, does anyone think I will yet get it? |
| 03:08.28 | cladhaire | It depends on whether blizzard bothers to send any more batches. |
| 03:08.31 | cladhaire | we don't have much control over that. |
| 03:09.18 | Cairenn | Mike-N-Go: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6742 |
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| 03:17.18 | Cairenn | ~lart my mouse |
| 03:17.54 | Mike-N-Go | ~lart Cairenn's mouse |
| 03:20.31 | Guillotine | ~roulette Cairenn's Mouse |
| 03:20.39 | Guillotine | awww. apparently that doesn't work |
| 03:20.42 | Guillotine | ~roulette |
| 03:20.45 | purl | ACTION watches guillotine pull the trigger: Click! |
| 03:22.29 | Mike-N-Go | ~scopestick Cairenn's Mouse |
| 03:22.31 | purl | ACTION beats Cairenn's Mouse soundly with it's SCOPE-STICK™!!! |
| 03:24.32 | Mike-N-Go | The link that was posted about the keys, what do I say in the email to wowbcbilling@blizzard.com ? |
| 03:24.39 | Kirkburn|afk | Too many mobs daze in TBC :/ |
| 03:25.15 | Cairenn | it tells you precisely what to say, if you read it |
| 03:25.16 | Kirkburn|afk | I pulled one mob, couple of seconds later I had 8 mobs beating on me and I couldn't run |
| 03:25.38 | Cairenn | and make sure of your ID # before you go emailing them |
| 03:25.56 | Mike-N-Go | What you mean, Cairenn? |
| 03:26.01 | Cairenn | ... |
| 03:26.15 | Cairenn | precisely what I said |
| 03:26.33 | Cairenn | go click on the sign up button again, check that you have the right email address & find out what your ID # was |
| 03:26.42 | Cairenn | that'll tell you when your name was sent in |
| 03:27.01 | Cairenn | since I posted what #s I sent in when |
| 03:27.04 | Mike-N-Go | I know what is is, I took a screen shot—ok, let me find that link. |
| 03:27.41 | MentalPower | ~lart Mike-N-Go |
| 03:28.22 | Cairenn | Mike-N-Go: basic reading comprehension for the win |
| 03:28.57 | Mike-N-Go | I have not been doing much more then checking my email every few days. |
| 03:29.06 | Neuro_Medivh | How sad |
| 03:29.18 | Mike-N-Go | Suer |
| 03:29.22 | Mike-N-Go | Sure* |
| 03:29.26 | Neuro_Medivh | On the bright side, being in the Beta is AWESOME |
| 03:29.35 | Mike-N-Go | I have a RL too, mind you. |
| 03:29.48 | MentalPower | we all do |
| 03:29.55 | zenzelezz | a raid leader won't help you get a key |
| 03:30.02 | Neuro_Medivh | I used to have a RL, but I couldn't afford the monthly charge |
| 03:30.46 | Thunder_Child | lol Neuro |
| 03:31.10 | Cairenn | Mike-N-Go: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showpost.php?p=35324&postcount=238 is the (currently) important post of that thread, for what you need |
| 03:32.44 | Kirkburn|afk | Argh, and now there's mobs chasing me across half the map :/ |
| 03:32.48 | Mike-N-Go | Cairenn: Where is this button you speak of? |
| 03:33.04 | Cairenn | the same one you signed up with |
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| 03:34.07 | Mike-N-Go | That was on the 14th of November, to long ago for me to remember where it was.. |
| 03:34.28 | Mike-N-Go | It was on the home page... |
| 03:35.02 | Cairenn | home page ... ie news ... ie news forum |
| 03:40.11 | Mike-N-Go | And, that means.. where can I find the button :| |
| 03:40.30 | zenzelezz | someone renew Blessing of Patience of Cairenn, hers must be running out fast |
| 03:41.01 | Thunder_Child | them 5 min buffs are killer |
| 03:41.18 | zenzelezz | nah, this one only absorbs a certain number of charges |
| 03:41.18 | Cairenn | Mike-N-Go: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6716 |
| 03:42.01 | Mike-N-Go | Oh, "Thank you very much for your application for a World of Warcraft Burning Crusades beta key and for using our site to host your mods. Your name has been added to our list and will be submitted to Blizzard shortly." |
| 03:42.22 | Cairenn | and ... your email address for verification and your ID# |
| 03:42.26 | Mike-N-Go | Via http://www.wowinterface.com/tosbeta.php from my screen shot. |
| 03:42.43 | Cairenn | don't tell me, irrelevent |
| 03:43.03 | Cairenn | just verify for yourself, check your number, look at the other link I gave you |
| 03:44.34 | Mike-N-Go | Ok, sorry for wasting your time. |
| 03:44.40 | Mike-N-Go | All you guys.. |
| 03:44.46 | Cairenn | no apology necessary |
| 03:46.29 | Corrodias | Mike-N-Go just reminded me that i'm not an addon developer |
| 03:46.36 | Corrodias | what a horrible thing to do to me |
| 03:46.57 | Mike-N-Go | All of you DEVs have sounded... Stressed, Tense, Blunt, etc... lately. |
| 03:47.04 | Mike-N-Go | Corrodias: What did I do? |
| 03:47.46 | Corrodias | linked me to a page that mocked me for not being a developer! how insensitive |
| 03:47.57 | ckknight | Corrodias, become one? |
| 03:47.57 | MentalPower | hmm... I wonder why, perhaps it has to do something with whats gonna happen tuesday? |
| 03:48.00 | Cairenn | Mike-N-Go: ummm, yeah, just a little, pushing to be ready for next week, and not wanting it to get here |
| 03:48.47 | Cairenn | you think we're bad right now, next week is like to be horrid |
| 03:49.06 | Cairenn | you may want to just duck and cover |
| 03:49.26 | Mike-N-Go | Whats happing next week :O |
| 03:49.39 | zenzelezz | the patch? |
| 03:50.55 | Corrodias | yes |
| 03:51.27 | Thunder_Child | maybe more like "tThe" patch |
| 03:51.45 | Thunder_Child | s/"tThe"/"The"/ |
| 03:54.51 | Corrodias | the patch will be a natural WoW disaster. priests will reroll. guild leaders will go insane. several addon developers may die. |
| 03:55.06 | zenzelezz | survival of the fittest |
| 03:55.30 | Mike-N-Go | How will we survive? |
| 03:55.44 | Thunder_Child | excuse me, not all priests will reroll |
| 03:55.46 | Corrodias | by pretending to know nothing about Lua |
| 03:55.59 | Corrodias | i know, Thunder_Child. i wouldn't, although i play a druid rather than a priest. |
| 03:56.33 | zenzelezz | those that reroll or quit I doubt I'd want in my guild anyhow |
| 03:56.34 | Corrodias | i won't be raiding for a while until praid is ready and i figure out how to assign click casting for my decurses in the new system |
| 03:57.42 | Thrae | Druids own. |
| 03:57.54 | Corrodias | wait, are we playing the same WoW |
| 03:57.59 | Corrodias | question mark there |
| 03:58.03 | Thrae | In fun. |
| 03:58.40 | Thrae | AKA, Druids are fun. |
| 03:58.59 | Thrae | If I wanted to say that Druids were powerful, I'd say they PWN ;) |
| 04:00.14 | Guillotine | in TBC, druids do indeed pwn |
| 04:00.19 | Thrae | Anyway, I disagree with those that hinge their fun with WoW on the usage of addons -- I think it's not healthy to _require_ addons to get fun out of the game. |
| 04:00.20 | Guillotine | in live... not so much |
| 04:01.09 | Guillotine | Thrae: heracy! I couldn't play the game without http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4370 |
| 04:01.11 | Guillotine | most important mod ever |
| 04:01.15 | Corrodias | i never feel like a particularly great healer |
| 04:01.36 | Corrodias | but i did see a pvp video in which a druid made full use of his healing and multiple forms, obviously with very good, general gear |
| 04:01.39 | Corrodias | it was impressive |
| 04:01.40 | Thrae | Not saying it's wrong, just not healthy. You should play a game for the game, not for third-party addons made for the game. Unless those addons _seriously_ change the way the game is played (such as Half Life vs Counterstrike). |
| 04:02.01 | Thrae | Corrodias: I always try to have the best healing gear available as a Feral/Resto Druid. |
| 04:02.16 | Guillotine | in live, I'm resto/feral in tier 2 healing gear |
| 04:02.21 | Guillotine | in TBC, I'm pure rogue gear |
| 04:02.23 | Guillotine | and I rock |
| 04:02.36 | Guillotine | <3 stunlocking |
| 04:02.41 | cladhaire | Does anyone have any decent textures for radio buttons? |
| 04:02.45 | Corrodias | stunlock? how can a druid stunlock? |
| 04:03.07 | Thrae | Tidal Charm helps |
| 04:03.10 | Corrodias | Thrae: there can be certain aspects of a game's UI that make the game less fun |
| 04:03.19 | Guillotine | Corrodias: pounce -> mangle -> rake -> mangle -> maim -> restealth -> pounce -> repeat |
| 04:03.44 | Corrodias | restealth? okay, i obviously don't know anything about feral in 2.0 or BC |
| 04:03.51 | Guillotine | if you have as many -energy cost talents/idols as possible, and crit at least once, it works |
| 04:03.58 | Guillotine | oh, and it only works in pvp |
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| 04:04.09 | Thrae | What's Maim? Link? |
| 04:04.17 | Guillotine | you leave combat after 5 secs of not attacking |
| 04:04.28 | Thrae | I only saw Mangle, I'm a bit out of the loop. |
| 04:04.39 | Guillotine | maim is like combination of eviscerate and gouge. http://www.thottbot.com/beta?sp=22570 |
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| 04:05.02 | Guillotine | so with 5 combo points, you have enough time not attacking or being attacked to leave combat |
| 04:05.06 | Guillotine | so you're allowed to restealth |
| 04:05.08 | Thrae | Ah yeah. |
| 04:05.31 | Thrae | I haven't played a Rogue very far...so PvE works differently then PvP when it comes to in/out combat rules? |
| 04:05.50 | Corrodias | so maim is a new stun! huzzah |
| 04:06.42 | Thrae | I had a dream I could use "Kill Chaining" from FFXII to increase the drop rate of Tidal Charm from the rare mob =/ |
| 04:06.52 | SP|Sorren | that'd be nice ;( |
| 04:07.05 | Thrae | I've been trying to get that since forever. |
| 04:07.15 | Corrodias | tidal charm? thottbot doesn't have any source listed for that item |
| 04:07.58 | Thrae | Corrodias: That's because you're looking at Beta and not Live. |
| 04:08.09 | Thrae | http://www.thottbot.com/?i=4714 |
| 04:08.20 | Corrodias | oh, um... yeah, there it is. thanks |
| 04:08.21 | Thrae | 3-sec stun every 15 minutes. |
| 04:09.01 | Thrae | Must for any Stunlocking Rogue, in case one of your stuns is resisted. |
| 04:09.33 | Thrae | Then again, stunlocking gets old fast. Good for building up your ego though as a Druid ;) |
| 04:10.07 | Corrodias | people report on thottbot there that it seems to break on damage, more a disorient than a stun. hmm. |
| 04:10.31 | Corrodias | i wonder if that's true. what's your experience with it? |
| 04:11.17 | Thrae | Like I said, I've been searching for it since forever ;_; ;_; =( =( |
| 04:11.28 | Thrae | The latest comments say it doesn't break on damage, though. |
| 04:11.53 | Corrodias | excellent |
| 04:12.11 | Thrae | I would think if people took the long-ass time it takes to farm for this item and find it's a disorienting effect rather then a stun, the description/effect would be fixed ASAP by Blizzard. |
| 04:12.29 | Thrae | Blizzard DOES have a heart in some cases ;) |
| 04:12.43 | Corrodias | guess i'll grab my druid and head on down there in Live |
| 04:13.00 | Thrae | It's a rare mob that spawns every 24 to 12 hours |
| 04:13.29 | Corrodias | well, i'm not going to otherwise use him for many days, yet |
| 04:13.58 | Thrae | Ah, true. Come to think of it, I'm not really playing anymore...I should park him over there too. |
| 04:14.16 | Thrae | Try to grab it before/after maintenance this week. |
| 04:14.17 | Guillotine | personally, I'd rather have one of http://www.thottbot.com/beta?i=655 + http://www.thottbot.com/beta?i=2814 than the tidal charm |
| 04:14.20 | Corrodias | i still have many addons to sort through to see if i want to keep them and update them if i do |
| 04:14.23 | Guillotine | both relatively easy to get in TBC |
| 04:15.10 | Thrae | Guillotine: Well I'm not saying the Tidal Charm is a good overall trinket, just good for stunlocking. |
| 04:15.23 | Guillotine | yup |
| 04:15.25 | Thrae | As a Druid you won't be stunlocking ALL the time, just as you wouldn't as a Rogue either. |
| 04:15.29 | Corrodias | once per 15 minutes... i hate trinkets |
| 04:15.33 | Guillotine | wow, thats awesome actually |
| 04:15.35 | Guillotine | for arena |
| 04:15.40 | Guillotine | since cooldowns reset when you enter arena |
| 04:15.45 | Guillotine | and you can use 15 minutes and less |
| 04:16.02 | Guillotine | <3 using my skeleton book at the beginning of every arena then switching to feral staff right after |
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| 04:16.48 | Corrodias | skeleton book, skeleton book... |
| 04:17.01 | Thrae | Corrodias: Rogue stunlocking usually has lengthy cooldowns too. I always think the more "Oh Shit!" buttons you have, the better. It all depends on what opponent you're about to face. |
| 04:17.02 | Guillotine | http://www.thottbot.com/beta?i=1675 :P |
| 04:17.21 | Guillotine | drops off of ony |
| 04:18.22 | Thrae | I'd stunlock a Shadow Priest definately, I hate Shadow Priests. |
| 04:18.57 | Thunder_Child | :) |
| 04:19.31 | Thunder_Child | <-- shadow priest |
| 04:20.07 | Guillotine | shadow priests in TBC = what druid was in live |
| 04:20.09 | Thrae | I'd like to see how much more viable a Druid becomes offensively in PvP come TBC. As of right now, a Shadow Priest has been near the top due to their ratio of survivability to offense in any given situation. |
| 04:20.09 | Guillotine | free kill |
| 04:20.29 | Guillotine | feral druids are awesome in pvp in TBC |
| 04:20.34 | Guillotine | shadow priests are extremely esy |
| 04:20.47 | Thunder_Child | Guillotine, enough about my sex life |
| 04:20.55 | Thrae | Heh, Blizzard probably did that just because no one heals anymore in PvP |
| 04:21.37 | Thrae | The Primary Healing class should be healing mostly in PvP, but unfortunately in Live it's better left to a Druid or Paladin since they suck offensively compared to the Priest (even non-Shadow Priests) |
| 04:21.40 | cladhaire | Warlock + Druid == teh pwn. |
| 04:21.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | resto druids are free hks on my druid still :P |
| 04:22.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | especially if they're dumb enough to treeoflol in pvp |
| 04:22.16 | cladhaire | resto druids in pvp are free kills to anyone. |
| 04:22.16 | Thrae | Then again, I'm not talking about Alterac Valley, since that's just an orgy. |
| 04:22.21 | cladhaire | if you can't kill a resto druid you shoudl be shot. |
| 04:22.39 | Corrodias | -.- |
| 04:23.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | i respec'd resto and it took a feral druid 3 mins to kill me in treeoflol |
| 04:23.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | but i can drop treeoflol druids in about 5 secs now |
| 04:23.18 | cladhaire | anyone want to test the new clique for ptr/bc? |
| 04:23.21 | Thrae | You don't become a Resto Druid to kill anything, heh |
| 04:23.46 | Thrae | By the way, how bad are gear swap addons in 2.0? |
| 04:23.57 | Corrodias | i can give it a try, cladhaire |
| 04:24.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | i hear itemrack and wardrobe work fine |
| 04:24.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | well i know wardrobe does |
| 04:24.06 | cladhaire | k, lemme zip it up for ya |
| 04:24.07 | MentalPower | Thrae: they work fine |
| 04:24.08 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5411-ItemRack_-_Burning_Crusade.html |
| 04:24.19 | Thrae | We can still swap weapons in combat, right? |
| 04:24.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | since that's the only addon i'm using on the ptrs |
| 04:24.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah, triggers the global cooldown though |
| 04:24.38 | Thrae | Right, like it always did. OK cool. |
| 04:25.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | mentalpower has learned the ability to control time itself |
| 04:25.36 | MentalPower | hehe :) |
| 04:25.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | dammit i'm thirsty and we have nothing to drink here, someone dcc me a soda |
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| 04:26.49 | MentalPower | dcc send Mr_Rabies "soda" |
| 04:26.52 | Thrae | 2.0 is going to be a learning experience for me. |
| 04:27.18 | Corrodias | why's that? |
| 04:27.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm tempted to see if this server has protection on for the dcc send exploit but i don't wanna get k-lined :[ |
| 04:27.24 | Thrae | Hopefully I won't be bored with coding again. |
| 04:28.06 | cladhaire | Corr[home]: Corrodias: You can grab it here: http://groups-beta.google.com/group/wow-clique-discuss/web/Clique_2006_12_03.zip |
| 04:28.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm sure it does though, freenode is pretty huge |
| 04:28.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | oo |
| 04:28.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm gonna try that clad |
| 04:28.27 | cladhaire | Just toss any issues up on that google group, or email me directly |
| 04:28.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | any changelogs? |
| 04:28.35 | cladhaire | *shrug* |
| 04:28.36 | cladhaire | not really |
| 04:28.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm using an older version |
| 04:28.40 | cladhaire | nothiong listed actually |
| 04:28.46 | cladhaire | test it out and take a look :P |
| 04:28.51 | Thrae | cladhaire: Google groups? What about the SVN? |
| 04:28.53 | cladhaire | if you haven't been using the beta version, yes.. lots of changes. |
| 04:28.58 | cladhaire | Thrae: I don't use ace, thus no ace svn |
| 04:28.58 | Corrodias | grabbing |
| 04:29.04 | cladhaire | It'll be removed from the ace svn on tuesday |
| 04:29.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | dongle.lua kek |
| 04:29.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm using a version from october |
| 04:29.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | but i'm testing it on the ptr, so we'll see |
| 04:29.57 | Corrodias | you don't use Ace? that's terrible! oh noes! |
| 04:30.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't play addon politics so i have Cosmos and a ton of ace mods installed |
| 04:31.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | they haven't tried fighting yet i don't think |
| 04:31.19 | Corrodias | getting gay with kids is here |
| 04:31.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | what |
| 04:31.30 | ckknight | getting gay with kids! |
| 04:31.34 | Corrodias | connecting to PTR |
| 04:31.38 | Corrodias | ...maybe |
| 04:31.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | Retrieving character list |
| 04:31.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | wee |
| 04:31.56 | Osagasu | Part of me wishes Cosmos would just go ace, but that's about as likely as satan kissing and making up with god. |
| 04:32.01 | Corrodias | yeah. maybe we're -not- testing Clique. |
| 04:32.14 | cladhaire | Mr_Rabies: I likes me my cosmos addons |
| 04:32.14 | Thrae | cladhaire: What's wrong with using the Ace SVN for non-Ace projects? |
| 04:32.32 | cladhaire | Thrae: Its not how I roll |
| 04:32.40 | Corrodias | the fact that it's the Ace svn, intended for Ace, and the owner might not like sharing the "Ace" svn with products that don't involve "Ace" |
| 04:32.45 | cladhaire | hell, i'm the box admin |
| 04:32.47 | Corrodias | it's a complete miscategorization |
| 04:32.49 | Guillotine | Osagasu: there are a couple ace addons in cosmos. slowly its being converted over ;) |
| 04:32.50 | cladhaire | and i still won't host personal stuff on there =) |
| 04:32.51 | Thrae | cladhaire is the owner |
| 04:32.57 | cladhaire | not owner, admin =) |
| 04:33.02 | Gryphen | there are no ace addons in cosmos |
| 04:33.04 | Corrodias | why would you put an addon in the "ace" folder if it doesn't involve ace? it's bad organization |
| 04:33.06 | Thrae | OK, he's the admin ;) |
| 04:33.11 | cladhaire | I would use my personal svn, or I'd use google code |
| 04:33.13 | Mike-N-Go|Normal | We/e spam! |
| 04:33.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | <Guillotine> Osagasu: there are a couple ace addons in cosmos. slowly its being converted over ;) |
| 04:33.29 | cladhaire | I happen to like what google code provides at the moment, and its better than having to run my own |
| 04:33.33 | Guillotine | Gryphen: you sure? |
| 04:33.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | as far as i know, there aren't any ace addons in cosmos :o |
| 04:33.38 | Gryphen | yes |
| 04:33.38 | Guillotine | I thought I saw one |
| 04:33.39 | Guillotine | maybe not |
| 04:33.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | SCT's using a pre-ace version |
| 04:33.56 | MentalPower | and so is MobInfo |
| 04:34.13 | Corrodias | i use version 4 of SCT, although i haven't tried it on PTR yet. i may have to finally update to 5, which i really don't want to do because i like 4. |
| 04:34.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | i love 5 |
| 04:34.24 | cladhaire | i've gone back to FCT |
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| 04:34.28 | cladhaire | and been satisfied with it |
| 04:34.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | FCT? |
| 04:34.36 | Thrae | Blizzard's Floating Combat Text |
| 04:34.36 | Gryphen | blizzards |
| 04:34.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh floating combat text |
| 04:34.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah |
| 04:34.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | i like the font control mostly |
| 04:34.47 | cladhaire | *nod* |
| 04:34.51 | cladhaire | but you could probably get that in FCt |
| 04:34.51 | cladhaire | easily |
| 04:34.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | true |
| 04:35.07 | Thrae | There are other addons that can control fonts, and I love the FCT + BattleChat combination |
| 04:35.11 | Corrodias | hmm. i've not actually tried the blizzard FCT |
| 04:35.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | i managed to get a nice font in sct but i lost it in a reinstall :[ |
| 04:35.21 | Thrae | Where BattleChat is an addon. |
| 04:35.29 | cladhaire | I'll be more comfortable if you guys can take a look at that version, since I won't get to heavy unit testing until tomorrow |
| 04:35.33 | cladhaire | too buys adding features and shit =( |
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| 04:35.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | i would be testing it but you know |
| 04:35.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | ptr's being lame |
| 04:35.47 | Corrodias | character screen is loading and all |
| 04:35.51 | Thrae | I'm scared of PTR. |
| 04:36.12 | Thrae | Well, I'm scared of 2.x. |
| 04:36.18 | Corrodias | you should be. |
| 04:36.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | i wouldn't expect the servers to be up on tuesday at all |
| 04:36.26 | Thrae | So much re-indoctrination... |
| 04:36.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm just glad i'm not raiding for 2.0 |
| 04:36.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | no decursive = no fun on noth, chromaggus, etc |
| 04:37.04 | Corrodias | i need to go try one of those fights to see just why people find it SO hard to decurse people |
| 04:37.07 | Corrodias | or maybe you can explain it |
| 04:37.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | well if you dont' decurse incredibly quickly in a lot of fights, your raid's wiping |
| 04:37.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | noth is a big one there |
| 04:38.04 | zenzelezz | there aren't that many people that get Noth's curse at a time though |
| 04:38.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | instead of the raid being 25 healers and 15 others it's gonna be 30 healers and 10 others now |
| 04:38.27 | Corrodias | i would like to suggest perfectraid to you |
| 04:38.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | isn't it breaking come 2.0? |
| 04:38.52 | Thrae | Blizzard will adjust accordingly, but since it's a design problem, they're going to need a lot of testing. The new dungeons probably already have better curse design. |
| 04:38.54 | Corrodias | so far i've found decursing and depoisoning to be blatantly easy, with perfectraid and clique |
| 04:39.09 | cladhaire | Thrae: They do |
| 04:39.13 | Thrae | BC mostly has people testing the new dungeons, not the old ones. |
| 04:39.14 | cladhaire | that's why they did all of this |
| 04:39.15 | Corrodias | i'm sure praid will be updated eventually. clad said it's going to be usable in some form when 2.0 hits, even if it's not fully functional |
| 04:39.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | i just made a /castrandom macro so i can hammer that on the appropriate person |
| 04:39.33 | cladhaire | slouken said it, they were designing encounters to challenge the players, who were using mods.. so they were making harder encounters to fight the mods, etc. |
| 04:39.37 | cladhaire | they wanted to stop teh cycle. |
| 04:39.57 | Thrae | cladhaire: Did he mention making the change retroactive? |
| 04:40.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | if they hadn't screwed mc up with tons of debuffs in the first place decursive probably would have never happened |
| 04:40.07 | cladhaire | Corrodias: Basically, it'll be a search and replace on the templates, set to use clique and attributes, and visibility changes queued until after combat. |
| 04:40.08 | Corrodias | with PRaid and Clique, it's extremely easy to decurse people. as you're staring at the bars, one will highlight with a big purple or green background, and i just alt+click on it to make it go away. done. |
| 04:40.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | nah they're not changing non-bc encounters |
| 04:40.16 | cladhaire | Thrae: No, but it won't matter |
| 04:40.25 | cladhaire | Lucifron's curse won't matter to anyone when you're level 70 |
| 04:40.32 | cladhaire | Naxx will be skipped except for storyline |
| 04:40.38 | cladhaire | etc |
| 04:40.52 | cladhaire | the problem will resolve itself |
| 04:40.57 | cladhaire | and the new encounters don't have that issue |
| 04:41.01 | cladhaire | its nice. |
| 04:41.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | but have fun with the old encounters for a month :x |
| 04:41.14 | Thrae | Yeah but only BC gets the new dungeons, right? |
| 04:41.19 | Corrodias | more people need to try praid + clique before claiming that decursing is too hard. then again, maybe i need to try chromaggus and have to alt+click "really fast" to see just how tough it is |
| 04:41.42 | cladhaire | chromagg sucks. |
| 04:41.44 | cladhaire | to be sure |
| 04:41.51 | Corrodias | i can decurse as fast as the global cooldown, personally |
| 04:41.54 | nymbia | its not like its hard to manually decurse. just requires more focus. |
| 04:42.01 | cladhaire | okay, bedtime |
| 04:42.03 | cladhaire | <3 you guys |
| 04:42.09 | cladhaire | test the new clique if you get a chance, i'd appreciate it. |
| 04:42.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah but being a decurse bot is even worse than a healbot |
| 04:42.14 | Corrodias | we'll get back to you on that, clad |
| 04:42.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | at least when you're healbotting you get some direct effect |
| 04:42.35 | cladhaire | doing what i can to get things ready for tues |
| 04:42.48 | Corrodias | thanks a bunch for your work |
| 04:42.49 | Thrae | Chromagg Time Lapse sounds fun :D |
| 04:42.51 | Mike-N-Go|Normal | Night cladhaire |
| 04:43.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | time lapse is a lot of fun |
| 04:43.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | only when you get timelapse is chromaggus really difficult |
| 04:43.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | time lapse chromaggus = harder than nef |
| 04:43.28 | clad|sleep | Mike-N-Go|Normal: night! |
| 04:43.32 | clad|sleep | no no |
| 04:43.35 | clad|sleep | time lapse is fine. |
| 04:43.40 | clad|sleep | especially when its bugged. |
| 04:43.44 | clad|sleep | at least you can count on it 100% |
| 04:43.48 | Corrodias | hmm? please expplain it to me |
| 04:43.48 | Thrae | I've never done it, what's it like? |
| 04:43.49 | zenzelezz | I'm curious, why is time lapse supposed to be so hard? |
| 04:43.50 | Corrodias | i have never done this fight |
| 04:43.56 | zenzelezz | my guild never seems to have trouble with it |
| 04:44.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's not hard |
| 04:44.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's just the hardest choice |
| 04:44.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | and nef's a pansy |
| 04:44.32 | clad|sleep | TL is harder than the other versions, i agree |
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| 04:46.04 | Corrodias | time to play... CIVILIZATION 4! for one day. because i'll get really bored after 1 day of losing at civ4. |
| 04:46.41 | Thunder_Child | then dont loose |
| 04:47.00 | Corrodias | sadly, that is not better. see, to win, i have to play on the lowest difficulty level, which is even more boring. |
| 04:47.02 | Iriel | or play at easier levels! |
| 04:47.22 | Thunder_Child | it is bloody hard after cheiftan |
| 04:48.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | play a real rts like dawn of war |
| 04:48.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | :P |
| 04:48.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | for some reason i' |
| 04:48.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | oops |
| 04:48.28 | Iriel | Part of the appeal of civ is it's NOT real time |
| 04:48.38 | Corrodias | i'll play your mom |
| 04:48.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | for some reason i've never been a fan of civ, total war, etc |
| 04:48.51 | Iriel | at least for me it is, it's a very different kind of game where you can have a focus that's broader than those you can manage in an RTS |
| 04:48.54 | Thunder_Child | play a real real time strategy? |
| 04:48.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've always liked starcraft, warcraft, dawn of war, etc |
| 04:49.51 | Thrae | Games like Civ and MOO are more like a puzzle. Real-Time Strategy games have a twitch element which must be balanced with the strategy element, while Turn-Based Strategy games have no such balance problem. |
| 04:49.53 | Iriel | I can just about sneak a time victory at Noble now (Civ 4) but only due to practice |
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| 04:50.05 | Iriel | Have you played Sword of the Stars at all? |
| 04:50.13 | Thunder_Child | C&C, suprime commander |
| 04:50.42 | Iriel | That one's interesting too (random tech tree, for a start), but it can be a bit slow to get into it |
| 04:50.42 | Thunder_Child | supreme*..something like that |
| 04:51.00 | Thrae | Iriel: What type is SOTS? |
| 04:51.20 | Iriel | Thrae: Turn based strategy with real time combat (if you want, you can have it auto-resolve) |
| 04:51.35 | Thrae | Aww, not Turn-Based Combat? |
| 04:52.13 | Corrodias | sword of the stars, i've played that just a little bit |
| 04:52.16 | Thrae | Then again, I usually played MOO2 on Auto, but it's auto-resolve sucked. |
| 04:52.41 | Thunder_Child | and moo3 was total crap |
| 04:52.43 | Thrae | Masters of Orion 2 is still my all-time favorite Turn-Based Strategy game. |
| 04:52.51 | Iriel | I think there's a downloadable SOTS demo around |
| 04:52.53 | Thrae | Yeah, MOO3 had no developers of the original |
| 04:53.42 | Iriel | Both Civ and Sots have decent multiplayer support too (i.e. you both get to move at the same time, though combat in sots is a sort of exception to that) |
| 04:54.06 | Thrae | MOO2 multiplayer was horrible, but it was an old-ass game. |
| 04:54.57 | Corrodias | what's a "time" victory in civ4? |
| 04:55.09 | Corrodias | conquest domination... i need to read up on these again |
| 04:55.12 | Iriel | When you score more than the others when the clock runs out |
| 04:55.13 | Thrae | Even with Hotseat, it still took me and a friend about 10 hours to complete a game (we played off and on) when I was doing a rush and won. |
| 04:56.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | i love amassing a huge army in realtime and watching 400+ units totally wreck the enemy army |
| 04:56.43 | Corrodias | sounds to me like conquest is a subset of the domination condition |
| 04:56.48 | Thrae | Yeah, my favorite is Marines + Medics in SC:BW. "Aw yeah!" |
| 04:56.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | or teleporting ontop of their army while they're waiting outside my hidden teleporter :D |
| 04:56.58 | Thunder_Child | Homeworld 1&2 was one of my all time fav's |
| 04:57.29 | Thrae | There's just something about pumping steroids and listening to super-fast machine gun fire that gets the blood pumpin'! |
| 04:57.42 | Thrae | s/pumping steroids/your guys pumping steroids/ |
| 04:58.12 | Thunder_Child | lol, sure |
| 04:58.32 | Thrae | Hey, it's not like my testes are the size of grapes. |
| 04:58.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm a big fan of the imperial guard in dawn of war :] |
| 04:59.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | they have a tank that can shoot, literally, all the way across the medium sized maps |
| 04:59.27 | Thrae | Actually, wait, they are. I meant the gonads. I always get them confused in medical lingo. |
| 04:59.29 | Thunder_Child | it's only your word for it Thrae |
| 04:59.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | and they have commisars that can kill units in their own squads to give a morale boost to the party |
| 04:59.51 | Thrae | Testes are the white balls inside your gonads. |
| 04:59.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | The more you know~ |
| 05:00.41 | Thrae | Your testes are egg-shaped, because testes used to be ovaries before your gender was determined pre-birth. |
| 05:01.22 | Thrae | All men started out with female sex organs until gender was specified. It explains a lot, eh? |
| 05:01.47 | ckknight | we overcame adversity. |
| 05:01.50 | Inside | XD |
| 05:02.02 | Inside | That is so quotable |
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| 05:03.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://youtube.com/watch?v=8TS6IReSvo4 |
| 05:03.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | god now i want to go play some dawn of war |
| 05:04.19 | Thrae | Inside: http://bash.org/?715286 ;) |
| 05:04.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm on bash, but it's a lame quote |
| 05:04.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | from like years ago |
| 05:05.01 | Inside | I submitted it too <.<; |
| 05:05.09 | Inside | http://bash.org/?715285 |
| 05:05.09 | Inside | XD |
| 05:05.37 | Thrae | Inside: And I bet you changed it so you said it instead of ckknight, you egomaniac you! Hehe |
| 05:05.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://bash.org/?41713 such a lame quote, how is it positive |
| 05:05.43 | Inside | :< |
| 05:05.56 | Inside | That is indeed lame. |
| 05:06.02 | Inside | Anyway.. *clutches head* |
| 05:06.14 | Inside | I hate coming up with names for classes. |
| 05:06.26 | Garoun|Loupana | lol |
| 05:06.29 | Thrae | How about "Druidism 101" |
| 05:06.37 | Inside | :P |
| 05:06.46 | Garoun|Loupana | trying to assign my second point to Improved Drain Soul causes a disconnect :P |
| 05:06.47 | Thrae | What do you mean by "coming up with names for classes"? |
| 05:07.08 | Inside | No, I mean I have a class called GameState... now I want to create an enumeration that descibes whether the game is running/paused/etc :P |
| 05:07.16 | Thrae | Garoun|Loupana: Duhh, because you give up a portion of your soul everytime you use a talent point. Obviously your Warlock has no soul left! |
| 05:07.16 | Inside | I finally came up with GameStatus :p |
| 05:07.30 | Garoun|Loupana | nice on Thrae :P |
| 05:07.54 | ckknight | Jewish people eat beef. |
| 05:07.55 | Thrae | Real men play without addons or talent points or spells! They just fight naked and unarmed. |
| 05:08.11 | Inside | Hmm |
| 05:08.14 | Inside | Indeed. |
| 05:08.34 | pastamancer | I defeat mobs with my over-inflated sense of self-importance! |
| 05:08.37 | Inside | XD |
| 05:08.45 | Thrae | Inside: In game development, "State" usually refers to the current state of something, including paused, etc. |
| 05:09.06 | Inside | I know, but I already have a class called that ^_^ |
| 05:09.14 | Thrae | What does GameState do? |
| 05:09.21 | Inside | It um.. is the physics sim. |
| 05:09.33 | Inside | Also controls the positioning of all models and collision meshes in the world. |
| 05:09.41 | Thrae | I would call that GamePhysics |
| 05:09.49 | Inside | But it's not just physics. |
| 05:09.54 | Inside | It controls the.. state ^_^ |
| 05:10.10 | pastamancer | refactor! |
| 05:10.15 | Inside | I should! |
| 05:10.18 | Thrae | The State Of the Game World IS Physics, as time is also a factor of physics |
| 05:10.28 | Thrae | Or you could call it WorldState instead of GameState |
| 05:10.33 | Inside | >_> |
| 05:10.44 | Inside | Gah. |
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| 05:10.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | just call it tugboat |
| 05:10.52 | Thrae | GameState would be the state of the game engine, WorldState would be the state of the world represented by the game engine. |
| 05:11.12 | Inside | Hmmm. |
| 05:11.32 | Inside | Damn, that's gonna involve a lot of renaming.. hmm >_o |
| 05:11.56 | Inside | I know, same here >_< |
| 05:12.04 | Thrae | I've renamed stuff so many times... |
| 05:12.17 | Inside | It's the whole idea that the name should concretely encompass what the class does :| |
| 05:12.32 | Thrae | Inside: What's wrong with find in Windows / sed in *nix? |
| 05:12.58 | Thrae | s/GameState/WorldState/ done |
| 05:13.16 | Thrae | Well, %s/GameState/WorldState/g |
| 05:13.36 | Thrae | It's a must for the compulsive! |
| 05:14.02 | Inside | Because that might have some adverse effect somewhere >_o |
| 05:14.21 | Corrodias | so i'm looking a the city view in civ4 and i'm not seeing where it says the city's current Production rating |
| 05:14.33 | Corrodias | or anything rating for that matter |
| 05:14.52 | Corrodias | wait, there it is! |
| 05:15.14 | Thrae | Inside: If it doesn't, isn't that a problem in and of itself? |
| 05:15.22 | Thrae | s/doesn't/does/ |
| 05:16.23 | Inside | hehe |
| 05:16.31 | Inside | Wow, purl is very nifty. |
| 05:16.34 | Inside | s/very/very very |
| 05:16.38 | Cairenn | night guys |
| 05:16.44 | Inside | night, Cairenn person |
| 05:26.31 | Mike-N-Go|Normal | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbHFjkd2TnA&NR |
| 05:26.35 | Mike-N-Go|Normal | LOL |
| 05:27.19 | Mike-N-Go|Normal | Couger Unleashed, pt2 |
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| 05:50.32 | ckknight | hey Esamynn |
| 05:50.46 | Esamynn | hey |
| 05:50.55 | Mike-N-Go|Normal | Anyone know what UI or interface addons the guy in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zu9p6UmRkKU&NR is using? |
| 05:52.45 | Esamynn | ckknight: I totally forgot, I've been meaning to send you a new version of Astrolabe |
| 05:53.05 | ckknight | where's the Astrolabe name from? |
| 05:53.36 | ckknight | cause honestly, I think of Astroglide when I hear it |
| 05:53.58 | Esamynn | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrolabe |
| 05:55.21 | Thunder_Child | lol |
| 05:55.58 | Mike-N-Go|Normal | ~BASIC |
| 05:56.00 | purl | it has been said that basic is (Beginner's All-purpose Symbolic Instruction Code) Thisprogramming language was developed in the mid '60s. The language wasconstructed of simple English-like commands that were run through aninterpreter, line by line, each time the program was "run." This causedBASIC programs to be slow. Now, compilers have been developed to speed ... |
| 06:00.50 | Esamynn | ckknight: you have mail |
| 06:01.10 | ckknight | I wonder what it could be |
| 06:01.13 | ckknight | hope it's not spam |
| 06:02.02 | Kirkburn|afk | Woot, 68 =) |
| 06:02.35 | Corrodias | in civ4, do i need to "re-explore" a tile to see new resources that i wasn't able to detect before? |
| 06:03.14 | Thunder_Child | i dont think so, but it has been a bit since i have played |
| 06:07.17 | Iriel | Corrodias: I'm not sure for tiles that aren't in your visibility radius |
| 06:07.31 | Iriel | Corrodias: But for visible tiles, you're just told about them |
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| 06:30.13 | beastathon | I'm having some trouble with an AddOn im making. I'm trying to have two frames, and when i move my mouse over a button in the first frame, it will make the second frame appear. I've tried all I can think of, but im new to all this, so any help would be greatly appricated. thanks. |
| 06:30.54 | Esamynn | the script handler you're looking for is OnEnter |
| 06:31.01 | beastathon | I know that |
| 06:31.04 | Esamynn | k |
| 06:31.08 | beastathon | But Im having difficulting with the two frames |
| 06:31.14 | beastathon | is that how I should go about it? |
| 06:31.15 | Esamynn | how so? |
| 06:31.21 | beastathon | it wont come up |
| 06:31.32 | Esamynn | is OnEnter firing? |
| 06:31.47 | beastathon | No, the whole frame isnt coming up |
| 06:31.55 | beastathon | I think its because i tried adding another frame |
| 06:32.00 | Esamynn | oh, you mean you can't see the first frame? |
| 06:32.04 | beastathon | yeh |
| 06:32.13 | Iriel | Check your FrameXML.log |
| 06:32.35 | beastathon | Wheres that? |
| 06:32.49 | Esamynn | you can also open your XML file in Firefox to do a basic syntax check |
| 06:32.59 | Esamynn | Wow\Logs\FrameXML.log |
| 06:33.04 | beastathon | thanks |
| 06:33.26 | beastathon | 12/4 15:25:54.562 Couldn't parse XML in Interface\AddOns\hellClock\hellClock.xml |
| 06:33.35 | beastathon | so its a syntax error |
| 06:33.38 | beastathon | right? |
| 06:33.43 | Esamynn | yes |
| 06:33.51 | Esamynn | try openning it in FireFox, that will give you a basic syntax checker |
| 06:33.54 | beastathon | k |
| 06:34.08 | Esamynn | you can just drag the file onto an open FF window |
| 06:35.25 | beastathon | ' |
| 06:35.26 | beastathon | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:36.42 | Esamynn | hmm |
| 06:36.55 | beastathon | wait, |
| 06:37.10 | beastathon | I think my onleave and script tags were wrong |
| 06:37.18 | Esamynn | the message about no style info is expected |
| 06:37.18 | beastathon | is xml case sensitive/ |
| 06:37.18 | beastathon | ? |
| 06:37.32 | Esamynn | I think so |
| 06:37.35 | Iriel | yes |
| 06:37.50 | beastathon | ahk, i thinks why the frames wernt coming up |
| 06:38.30 | beastathon | well, the frame comes up |
| 06:38.44 | beastathon | How do you put two frames in? |
| 06:38.52 | beastathon | Cos I tried, but it says it has a nil value |
| 06:38.58 | beastathon | Im not sure where to put it. |
| 06:39.54 | Esamynn | Paste Code Here: http://wowi.pastey.net/ <-- lets see the XML |
| 06:39.58 | beastathon | k |
| 06:40.36 | beastathon | http://wowi.pastey.net/2986 |
| 06:45.50 | Esamynn | beastathon: did you get my hint? |
| 06:46.09 | beastathon | yes |
| 06:46.13 | Esamynn | :) |
| 06:46.45 | beastathon | wait |
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| 06:48.03 | beastathon | i dont think i did |
| 06:49.01 | Esamynn | the indentation on your pastey is really awful, thus it is rather hard to read |
| 06:49.48 | Esamynn | I suspect that may be part of your problem |
| 06:50.43 | beastathon | its indented in my txt file |
| 06:50.59 | beastathon | some of it |
| 06:51.33 | Esamynn | keyword there, SOME |
| 06:51.53 | beastathon | I know |
| 06:51.53 | beastathon | but the parts that are, arnt on the pastey |
| 06:52.13 | Esamynn | interesting anywas |
| 06:52.16 | Esamynn | anyways |
| 06:52.33 | Esamynn | Layers have to be defined inside a frame |
| 06:52.49 | Esamynn | and you can't define frames inside other frames, except within the <Frames> subsection of a frame |
| 06:52.58 | beastathon | ah |
| 06:53.41 | Esamynn | you also only need one <Layers> section to enclose all layer objects that are defined for a single frame |
| 06:54.42 | beastathon | so can I do: |
| 06:54.56 | beastathon | <frames> then, a <frame = whatever> |
| 06:55.58 | Saeris | String comparisons are fast in Lua, yes? Each string is assigned a hash number at creation? |
| 06:56.06 | Iriel | right |
| 06:56.19 | Iriel | plus they're interned, so all instances of the same string have the exact same value |
| 06:56.29 | Iriel | the hash thing is not used in comparisons |
| 06:56.30 | ckknight | all strings are interned, so doing "alpha" == "alpha" is comparing a pointer to another pointer, essentially. |
| 06:56.35 | ckknight | so it's very fast. |
| 07:04.14 | beastathon | But.. how would you make two frames? |
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| 07:11.41 | Esamynn | beastathon: do you want one to be a child of the other? |
| 07:11.58 | beastathon | Not sure |
| 07:12.11 | beastathon | I dont want a copy of the first frame |
| 07:12.12 | beastathon | a new one |
| 07:12.21 | Esamynn | children aren't copies |
| 07:12.27 | beastathon | oh |
| 07:12.48 | Esamynn | when you hide a frame's parent, that frame is also hidden |
| 07:13.06 | Esamynn | a frame's children are also scaled with their ancestors |
| 07:13.23 | beastathon | ok then, I dont want it to be a child |
| 07:13.42 | Mike-N-Go|Normal | What does gx.log do? |
| 07:15.30 | Esamynn | probably logs errors involving the graphics engine |
| 07:16.39 | Esamynn | beastathon: the most basic definition of 2 frames: http://wowi.pastey.net/2989 |
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| 07:19.23 | s|loup | hi |
| 07:20.09 | beastathon | cheers esamynn, it works :D |
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| 07:47.10 | Saeris | Does Blizzard make their version of the Lua source available to the public? I'd like to see how they implemented string.join. |
| 07:48.02 | Mery | I don't think so. |
| 07:48.30 | Inside | Lua isn't gpl-ish, I don't think, so they're not under any obligation to release anything |
| 07:48.38 | ckknight | it's BSD |
| 07:49.21 | Saeris | I wasn't saying they should. I just wanted to know whether string.join was implemented similarly to table.concat. |
| 07:50.26 | Mery | Saeris: you could ask slouken on the forums, maybe just maybe ... |
| 07:51.02 | ckknight | what's string.join do, btw? |
| 07:51.21 | Saeris | Concatenates all arguments passed to it and returns the result. |
| 07:51.28 | Inside | join(...), takes a bunch of strings and a seperater and joins them, I think |
| 07:51.33 | Mery | with a delimiter |
| 07:51.35 | Esamynn | "1 2 3 4" = string.join(" ", 1, 2, 3, 4) |
| 07:52.01 | ckknight | oh, cool. |
| 07:52.21 | |FF|Im2good4u | will the new patch also contain the new talents / speels / abileties ? |
| 07:52.23 | Saeris | Yep, I think it could be useful if it's as efficient as table.concat. |
| 07:52.44 | Mery | |FF|Im2good4u: yes |
| 07:52.49 | Thunder_Child | though much of it is 61+ so you cant play with it till BC |
| 07:53.01 | |FF|Im2good4u | cool oke |
| 07:53.28 | |FF|Im2good4u | well if put all talent on markanship i should be able to get silence shot :P |
| 07:57.13 | Arrowmaster | yes |
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| 08:09.14 | End | what the hell |
| 08:09.37 | End | you know the quest where you get the hammer for tirion fordring? |
| 08:09.58 | End | I kill the guy, and his corpse disappears as soon as I let it out of my eyesight |
| 08:10.55 | End | (I was kiting his minions around a tree, and his corpse went away!) |
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| 08:18.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | O_o did your pet do all the damage or something? |
| 08:30.38 | End | no I did |
| 08:30.48 | End | I was playing my frost mage |
| 08:31.03 | End | but I don't have the survability to kill all of them |
| 08:31.39 | End | (cone of cold, frost nova, etc) |
| 08:31.55 | End | (it can only keep them out of reach so long) |
| 08:34.10 | End | (also, they do despawn if I get too far away from the grave) |
| 08:36.45 | zenzelezz | heard lots of those stories |
| 08:36.53 | zenzelezz | I found the best solution to be to just team up with someone |
| 08:37.12 | End | yeah |
| 08:37.17 | End | I'll have to |
| 08:37.24 | End | I've never been able to solo that quest |
| 08:37.37 | End | previously however, I never came close |
| 08:38.02 | End | now I kill the principle guy, and his corpse goes away! o_O |
| 08:38.13 | End | (then his minions kill me) |
| 08:39.02 | zenzelezz | I can't remember for sure, but I think I eventually managed it solo on one of my warriors, by killing him ASAP and looting him, then making a run for it |
| 08:40.02 | Neuro_Medivh | As a warrior, I did it with int shout |
| 08:40.35 | Neuro_Medivh | and the counterattack ability |
| 08:40.49 | zenzelezz | Retaliation |
| 08:40.57 | Neuro_Medivh | Yeah.. for some reason I couldn't think of the name |
| 08:41.16 | End | yeah, I could see doing it with a warrior |
| 08:41.23 | Neuro_Medivh | popped int shout and retal, blew the main guy up as fast as possible, looting and running |
| 08:41.35 | End | warrior has a lot more health and armor than I have on my mage ;p |
| 08:41.56 | End | only reason I can't just loot him right there on my mage is usually the guys are still chasing me |
| 08:42.26 | End | (after 4 or 5 -kills- I gave up) |
| 08:44.42 | Neuro_Medivh | you need frost spec |
| 08:44.56 | Neuro_Medivh | wait, they're immune to slow arent' they? |
| 08:45.24 | End | I can slow them |
| 08:45.32 | End | and I -am- frost spec |
| 08:45.42 | Neuro_Medivh | then if you have imp blizzard, you should be able to ae them down |
| 08:45.49 | End | well |
| 08:45.52 | End | imp blizzard I don't have |
| 08:47.08 | Neuro_Medivh | on the bright side, you get a free respec in 2 days =) |
| 08:47.26 | End | yeah, I was just thinking that |
| 08:47.53 | Mery | lol one of my friends will bitch again, he always forgets how he set his points, then drops about 300g in respeccs untill he is happy again |
| 08:49.05 | Fisker | y helo thar |
| 08:49.07 | zenzelezz | wait till the servers go down for maintenance, then ask him if he remembered to write down his talents |
| 08:49.26 | End | well, talent trees aren't just getting new stuff...the old stuff is somewhat different too, especially depending on class |
| 08:50.07 | zenzelezz | the rage preservation talent change means I get more points \o/ |
| 08:55.04 | zenzelezz | "Seriously, the undercity life is overpowered, me and my friend were going on it, and like.. it solos both of us!!!!. We couldn't even fight back!. Forget warlocks.. nerf the UC lift!." |
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| 09:04.18 | Mery | wow silvermoon guards hit hard |
| 09:13.31 | |FF|Im2good4u | Silvermoon is cool |
| 09:14.31 | Mery | " Neuro got a sticky in part by selling out his fellow players. By supporting blizzard in their unrighteous move to kill the interface, the game will go down hill a little bit more. " |
| 09:14.32 | SP|Sorren | anyone know what the name of the battlefield map frame is? |
| 09:15.10 | |FF|Im2good4u | LFG interface sux ftw |
| 09:15.21 | Mery | http://wdn.wowinterface.com/code/beta/AddOns/Blizzard_BattlefieldMinimap/Blizzard_BattlefieldMinimap.xml |
| 09:15.37 | SP|Sorren | why thank you. |
| 09:15.58 | |FF|Im2good4u | becase he helps u ofc thats why |
| 09:22.15 | Inside | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:22.59 | Mery | Bomb (who else) |
| 09:23.21 | Inside | about what? |
| 09:23.30 | Mery | interface changes in general |
| 09:23.44 | Mery | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=51896128&sid=1#9 |
| 09:24.00 | Mery | he links ot a post where neuro posted a bug |
| 09:24.35 | Mery | anyway I just find it kind of funny because "get a sticky in a blizzard forum" was not on my "things I want to do in life"-list |
| 09:30.46 | Fisker | that's what you get for not trolling |
| 09:30.48 | Neuro_Medivh | Oh, it was on mine |
| 09:30.59 | Neuro_Medivh | I'm putting that bad boy on my resume |
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| 09:31.59 | Neuro_Medivh | he edited his post |
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| 10:26.07 | |FF|Im2good4u | i need to hurry to finish my nick completer addon for 2.1 :x |
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| 10:53.18 | Corrodias | ugh. civ4 games are loooong |
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| 11:24.34 | [Cu]Werik | Helo |
| 11:39.15 | AnduinLothar | This patch is gonna be worse (in terms of addons and community havoc) than any we've seen before... |
| 11:40.35 | AnduinLothar | On the plus side, Cosmos has been trimmed down to 70 addons, 8 of which have yet to be updated. |
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| 12:15.45 | Kaso | I'm worried about all the people who dont read the forums that when patch day comes none of thier addons work and they'll get totally the wrong idea |
| 12:16.04 | s|loup | hehe |
| 12:16.26 | zenzelezz | the patch notes should be sufficient to figure that... but if they don't read the forums, chances are they just click past the patch notes as well |
| 12:16.31 | zenzelezz | in either case... sucks to be them |
| 12:16.34 | Kaso | i wouldnt be too surprised if some think addons have been banned al together |
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| 12:22.35 | Kaso | i love this image |
| 12:22.36 | Kaso | http://brent78-b.mirror.waffleimages.com/files/c7/c7fb27babaae82c6559c2b8d6f41d39e603aa8d4.jpg |
| 12:25.15 | |FF|Im2good4u | orc are still stoopod |
| 12:26.11 | Corrodias | well, Kaso, you know what they say about people making huge mistakes and quitting WoW |
| 12:26.17 | Corrodias | less queue for the rest of us! |
| 12:26.21 | Kaso | haha |
| 12:29.46 | |FF|Im2good4u | i think BC wil bering some players |
| 12:29.52 | |FF|Im2good4u | but wow is a bad game for me |
| 12:29.56 | |FF|Im2good4u | im addicted to it |
| 12:30.21 | nevcairiel | arent we all? |
| 12:30.35 | haste | I code more then I play =\ |
| 12:33.26 | Cide | don't we all? |
| 12:34.46 | Kaso | speaking of coding, can someone spot a problem in my stupidly long string.find here: http://pastey.net/2992?hi=12,13 |
| 12:35.52 | Cide | uh |
| 12:35.59 | Cide | the fact that it gives me a headache? :) |
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| 12:36.27 | Cide | you could split it up into 10 lines |
| 12:37.24 | Cide | do that and I'll take a look :) |
| 12:37.29 | Kaso | one moment |
| 12:37.42 | Cide | (for example by setting a variable multiple times) |
| 12:42.58 | Kaso | hows this: http://pastey.net/2992 |
| 12:43.58 | Kaso | woops, typo up there |
| 12:44.19 | Kaso | http://pastey.net/2992 |
| 12:44.58 | Kaso | basically i want to block who resutls from showing, the "1 Player Found" is blocked but not the actual results |
| 12:46.49 | Cide | can you convert the patterns table into the raw strings? I don't have wow up |
| 12:48.00 | Kaso | refresh |
| 12:51.09 | Kaso | arrg, the first one in patterns is wrong |
| 12:51.53 | Kaso | updated |
| 12:52.02 | Cide | can't see anything obvious |
| 12:52.17 | Kaso | hm |
| 12:52.31 | Cide | you could try printing the patterns table to see what's being replaced and to what |
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| 13:01.45 | |FF|Im2good4u | i can find a bug a in your aptern |
| 13:02.55 | |FF|Im2good4u | ah nm im bugged myzelf |
| 13:05.37 | Kaso | the string.subs arent working, but for the life of me i dont know why |
| 13:06.30 | |FF|Im2good4u | idsay try to capture things out of the string jsut for debugging |
| 13:06.50 | Kaso | how do you mean |
| 13:08.47 | |FF|Im2good4u | testnum =-string.fing(arg1,"Level (%d+)"); if testnum then print(testnum) end |
| 13:09.02 | |FF|Im2good4u | so start out verry simpel and thne expand the pattern and keep testing it |
| 13:09.51 | |FF|Im2good4u | but im gonig home now |
| 13:09.54 | |FF|Im2good4u | good luck |
| 13:14.40 | VoidRaider|sleep | Morning :) |
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| 13:16.51 | Corrodias | the "monkey" addons are pretty screwed up and the author doesn't seem to be interested in finding out why -- of even if -- this is the case. interesting. |
| 13:17.41 | ag` | I guess if the author wants to use the addon in 2.0 he'll find out |
| 13:18.14 | Kaso | JSpam_Saved={ |
| 13:18.15 | Kaso | allowed={}, |
| 13:18.17 | Kaso | allowedguild={}, |
| 13:18.18 | Kaso | ffs |
| 13:18.23 | Kaso | stupid copy paste |
| 13:18.46 | Kaso | i was trying to stay how does he not seem to be interested in finding out |
| 13:18.53 | Corrodias | oh there it is, in the comments |
| 13:19.19 | Corrodias | seems he's at work on a rewrite at the moment, but it wasn't in a news post, rather in the "comments" forum referencing one of the news posts |
| 13:29.26 | Corrodias | this is bizarre. Curse lists this addon as having 600 downloads today, but lists no files to download. |
| 13:30.04 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 13:30.24 | AnduinLothar | it said one of my addons was 36yrs 11months old yesterday |
| 13:30.30 | Corrodias | i can hit "download", and it gives me no choice about which version i get (it turns out to be beta 10, very new) |
| 13:31.46 | Fisker | the addons are also updated all the time here |
| 13:31.47 | JoshBorke | morning! |
| 13:32.42 | Corrodias | this 2.0 fallout is exciting, trying to update all the addon i use, by downloading new versions, fixing them myself, or putting them on the list for "stuff to update in the future when the author finishes the update". |
| 13:33.40 | Corrodias | i'm so glad they decided to disable the Lua 5.0 compatibility code. had they not, i would never have gotten the chance to spend half my night trying to fix a notepad addon that apparently nobody but me cares about. |
| 13:33.52 | Fisker | nice |
| 13:33.55 | Corrodias | god knows i'd rather fight with the WoW API than play the game! |
| 13:34.05 | Corrodias | and i'm vented |
| 13:34.22 | JoshBorke | Corrodias: what is special about the notepad addon? |
| 13:34.26 | Cide | it is good that they did not enable compat, like it or not :) |
| 13:35.08 | Corrodias | to josh: i don't know what you mean by "special", unless you mean what it has that others don't. that is that you can give the notes titles and it makes buttons for them so you don't have to scroll through 30 notes to find the one you want |
| 13:35.14 | Corrodias | to Cide: what's the good part? |
| 13:35.26 | Cide | authors are forced to update |
| 13:35.34 | Corrodias | still waiting for the good part |
| 13:35.39 | Corrodias | or why is that good? |
| 13:35.39 | Cide | that's the good part |
| 13:35.50 | Corrodias | (and you're wrong, by the way, but keep going) |
| 13:36.20 | JoshBorke | Corrodias: have you tried TinyPad? it allows you to search. also you could try GuildBook, though it is still under heavy development (I am writing it) |
| 13:36.21 | Cide | because it lets authors get the job done, seeing as *all* addons need to be updated anyway |
| 13:36.31 | Corrodias | get what job done? |
| 13:36.33 | Corrodias | authors are not forced to update. people who want to use the addons are forced to find a way to get them updated, be it by the author or satanic rituals. |
| 13:36.44 | Cide | the update done |
| 13:36.57 | Corrodias | there wouldn't have to -be- an update for some of them |
| 13:37.08 | Cide | and yes, all addons need to be updated to run, given the new incompatibility mode for toc versions <20000 |
| 13:37.19 | Corrodias | it's like saying that forcing somebody to solve a slide puzzle is good because it makes them solve the slide puzzle |
| 13:37.27 | zenzelezz | compatibility usually means some level of performance loss |
| 13:37.37 | Corrodias | if you hadn't given them the slide puzzle to begin with, they wouldn't have had to solve anything |
| 13:37.49 | Cide | Corrodias: my point is really this |
| 13:38.13 | Cide | by disabling compat mode, it encourages good code and design |
| 13:38.30 | Corrodias | well. it discourages use of deprecated functions. |
| 13:38.35 | Cide | exactly |
| 13:38.35 | Corrodias | i can agree that far |
| 13:38.45 | Cide | it also forces people to update to this good code and design when they are updating the other things that need to be changed anyway (spell casting, targeting) |
| 13:39.15 | JoshBorke | 3 cheers for new spellcasting! |
| 13:39.55 | Corrodias | take the notepad addon for example, though. it doesn't cast spells or target anything. in the end, i determined that the biggest problem was that the buttons didn't have a font any more for some reason. |
| 13:40.15 | Corrodias | setting all that aside, though, you seem to be under the impression that addon authors are active |
| 13:40.24 | Cide | Corrodias: due to the use of deprecated functionality |
| 13:40.32 | Corrodias | that's fine for those of you who only use the latest few addons from ace2 developers |
| 13:40.41 | Cide | I don't use ace(2) |
| 13:40.43 | AnduinLothar | that's a button text 1.11 change that reverse compat was removed in 2.0 |
| 13:41.05 | Cide | really, you need to be prepared to change stuff if you're using deprecated functionality |
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| 13:41.21 | Corrodias | i couldn't figure out how to fix it myself. in the end i stuck in some additional code in a frequently-called function to set the buttons' fonts to a different one used by other buttons |
| 13:41.33 | Corrodias | but i don't write addons! i use them! |
| 13:41.46 | zenzelezz | just be thankful they let people make addons at all :-) |
| 13:41.57 | AnduinLothar | it's not really about being prepared. the addons were written way before the new format even existed |
| 13:42.18 | Cide | AnduinLothar: pairs & ipairs were still in, and were encouraged |
| 13:42.23 | Corrodias | indeed. i think one of mine was working since 1.03. |
| 13:42.48 | AnduinLothar | yeah, but ipairs is an easy find/replace fix. the button text changes are more substantial |
| 13:42.58 | Corrodias | but the point is, the author may have made a mistake by using code that somebody was discouraging in some way, although i don't recall seeing any warning about deprecation before 2.0 |
| 13:43.05 | Corrodias | i have to pay for those mistakes |
| 13:43.56 | Cide | Corrodias: or you can let the author update his or her own mod |
| 13:44.32 | Corrodias | give me the author's name and address, a plane ticket, a few days off of work or school, and a flaming 2x4 wrapped in barbed wire, and maybe i can make that happen |
| 13:44.34 | Cide | again, mod functionality is provided as-is and backwards compat may not always be the chosen course of action |
| 13:45.03 | Corrodias | but do not assume that every addon has an author just hovering about, ready to update it whenever blizzard decides to make a change |
| 13:45.17 | Corrodias | people do quit WoW, as rare as it may seem. |
| 13:45.34 | Cide | yet you are blaming blizzard for that? |
| 13:45.50 | Cide | you should "blame" the author, or find another author/addon |
| 13:45.52 | zenzelezz | yes, there's obviously a Blizzard conspiracy to root out all addons! |
| 13:46.33 | Corrodias | i'm blaming blizzard for disabling compatibility code that might have saved me some annoying work as an end user who doesn't know much about writing addons. it's a fact that they've done it. it's not an opinion. |
| 13:46.57 | Cide | let's put it this way |
| 13:47.11 | Beladona | actually, it is more the fact taht you are unwilling to learn the alternative |
| 13:47.20 | Cide | you saved yourself some work that you would never have to do, hadn't blizzard been kind enough to implement addon functionality in the first place |
| 13:47.55 | Cide | and yes, you chose to perform the changes necessary because you felt that it was worth it |
| 13:48.07 | Cide | you could always have looked for another addon, or deleted it |
| 13:48.17 | Corrodias | fine |
| 13:51.48 | AnduinLothar | wait... are you complaining about a single addon? |
| 13:51.57 | Corrodias | no |
| 13:52.00 | AnduinLothar | or jsut addons in general |
| 13:52.58 | Corrodias | about unnecessary changes making things more difficult for me than they could be |
| 13:53.40 | AnduinLothar | it's a game, not an OS... there's not really anything necessary about it |
| 13:54.06 | Corrodias | please don't try to drag us that way |
| 13:54.29 | Corrodias | i mean changes with little to no tangible reward |
| 13:57.04 | VoidRaider | But don't you think that it's part of life, you need to adapt these changes, a question why do you think it's unnecessary ? |
| 13:58.47 | Corrodias | it's not life; it's a game. the changes are not determined by fate or chance, but by people. why i called the enforcement of incompatibility "unnecessary" is that i have not heard a benefit to it that seems worthwhile to me. some people consider the elimination of "old code" to be a worthy cause, and i don't. |
| 14:00.01 | Corrodias | if an author refused to update to the newer code -- and if this newer code showed some kind of tangible benefit other than looking different -- then i would have the same choices as i have now (updating it myself, getting the author to update it, or discard it) save for one additional choice: using the old version and accepting the disadvantages, if any, of old code. |
| 14:00.05 | VoidRaider | Ahh wait lol |
| 14:01.06 | VoidRaider | so you're saying tat we should use the old code even though it's being deprecated ? and in few months we will have to rewrite our code again ? |
| 14:01.10 | VoidRaider | that* |
| 14:01.18 | Corrodias | you seem to have misunderstood. i never suggested that you do anything. |
| 14:02.04 | VoidRaider | Ok, so you're saying blizzard should have a backward compatibility ? |
| 14:02.25 | Corrodias | now that you mention it, though, i will say this: do it now or do it in 6 months when they move on to Lua 5.2. either way you'll have to update the code, but there's a chance that they never will move to 5.2. |
| 14:03.42 | Beladona | I don't get the problem |
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| 14:04.35 | Corrodias | from what i understand, Lua 5.1 has compatibility code in it so that things written for 5.0 could still run, and that WoW 2.0 just has that disabled so you're forced to update the code anyway. |
| 14:04.49 | Beladona | Blizzard didn't decide what changes went into 5.1, they simply chose to use it. There were HUGE benefits to doing so. The minor issues we might have in changing a few lines of code to work, is really a MINOR thing in my mind |
| 14:05.06 | Beladona | where did you hear this? |
| 14:05.12 | Corrodias | i don't remember |
| 14:05.26 | Beladona | might want to read the Lua 5.1 manual then |
| 14:05.29 | VoidRaider | Man they haven't removed the old functions since they don't want to break a change but it will be remove in few versions |
| 14:05.48 | Beladona | it clearly states that that code was deprecated, and in some cases will not work anymore at all |
| 14:05.50 | VoidRaider | thats why these functions are deprecated |
| 14:06.08 | Beladona | I didn't see anywhere that stated it would still work |
| 14:06.18 | Beladona | in fact, a few of them were deprecated in 5.0, but still worked |
| 14:06.35 | Cide | there are compatibility modes |
| 14:06.38 | Corrodias | if i have been given incorrect information (and i don't know where i got it, at this point), nothing i have said has any meaning. |
| 14:06.49 | Beladona | aye, but those slow down the interpreter does it not? |
| 14:07.10 | Cide | Corrodias is right to an extent; blizzard could have compiled with compat headers |
| 14:07.14 | Corrodias | could be |
| 14:07.17 | Corrodias | "Here we list the incompatibilities that you may found when moving a program from Lua 5.0 to Lua 5.1. You can avoid most of the incompatibilities compiling Lua with appropriate options (see file luaconf.h). However, all these compatibility options will be removed in the next version of Lua." |
| 14:07.30 | Beladona | I just don't think it was worth it. The required changes are very minor in my mind |
| 14:07.43 | Cide | but yes, there are performance losses, of course |
| 14:07.45 | Beladona | but then I am not new to lua |
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| 14:08.10 | Cide | the changes can be big for non-lua users |
| 14:08.18 | Corrodias | it may be that more of the complexity is coming from the WoW API itself. i still don't know why the buttons don't have the fonts like they used to. |
| 14:08.59 | Cide | but as an author with a lot of mods, coping with the spellcasting/targeting changes is much harder |
| 14:09.23 | VoidRaider | Cide non-lua users probably won't make any addon or even messing with lua to begin with ? |
| 14:09.56 | Beladona | that was one of the reasons I never released a large number of the addons I actually wrote. I have something like 10 that I wrote and use. But if I release them, I have to maintain them for other people |
| 14:10.15 | Corrodias | wouldn't that be convenient, but authors do quit, sometimes |
| 14:10.17 | Beladona | and I don't think I can devote that much attention to it |
| 14:10.52 | VoidRaider | Yup that's the reason I dropped few of mine, RL :// |
| 14:11.03 | Beladona | its not fair to the end-user |
| 14:11.11 | VoidRaider | I agree here |
| 14:11.28 | Corrodias | i think the annoyance of the changes in Lua itself come from not knowing when to change "arg" to ... and what to do with unpack |
| 14:11.47 | Corrodias | from the perspective of trying to fix an addon whose author has disappeared |
| 14:12.00 | Beladona | thats why you ahve channels like this |
| 14:12.20 | Corrodias | for example, one function calls unpack(arg) and then starts referencing arg1 and arg2 without ever declaring them. i have no idea what's going on there. |
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| 14:12.51 | Elkano | iirc arg1, ... are declared by WoW somehow |
| 14:12.57 | Beladona | aye |
| 14:13.06 | VoidRaider | Yeah but I can understand, learning someone else code can be quite hard sometimes |
| 14:13.11 | Beladona | well, depending on where it is used |
| 14:13.19 | Elkano | btw: when will there be a SciTe-WoWI for 2.x? ;) |
| 14:13.32 | Beladona | when someone writes one? |
| 14:13.51 | Beladona | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:15.25 | Cide | time to get some work done... later all |
| 14:15.26 | Corrodias | by the way, about button fonts. i think AnduinLothar said "that's a button text 1.11 change that reverse compat was removed in 2.0". |
| 14:15.32 | Corrodias | bye |
| 14:16.01 | Corrodias | i looked at the xml for the frame and it doesn't mean much to me |
| 14:16.32 | Elkano | Beladona, I think I'll leave thatone to clad again ^^ he did so well on the last one |
| 14:17.28 | Corrodias | couldn't figure out how to use SetFont either :P |
| 14:18.21 | VoidRaider | Well you can always ask and read :P |
| 14:21.00 | Corrodias | i will sleep now. have a nice day. |
| 14:21.06 | VoidRaider | night :) |
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| 15:18.40 | SilverSide | Wow. a WoW IRC channel. |
| 15:19.03 | Mikma | where? |
| 15:19.08 | SilverSide | ack there. get it! |
| 15:23.18 | SilverSide | *boom* |
| 15:23.31 | SilverSide | ok it's taken care of. everybody, calm down, you're safe now. |
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| 15:45.39 | Kirkburn|afk | Hehehe: http://www.myextralife.com/archive.php?date=2006-12-04 |
| 15:47.40 | Kirkburn|afk | Oooh, btw, news about which dungeons will be in at release: http://blue.cardplace.com/newcache/beta/1700281.htm |
| 15:53.04 | Mikma | grim batol? :O |
| 15:53.58 | Mikma | Hyjal Past is in the game and being tested internally. |
| 15:54.00 | Mikma | HYJAAAAAL! |
| 15:54.23 | JoshBorke | lol |
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| 15:54.42 | Mikma | propably the only thing i'm waiting for :D |
| 15:54.49 | Mikma | dunno why lol |
| 15:58.30 | JoshBorke | yea, CoT is gonn abe awesome :-D |
| 15:59.10 | Kirkburn|afk | The 'music' in it is awesome |
| 16:02.58 | Fisker | mount hyjal is probably gonna be very sick :P |
| 16:04.18 | Fisker | cosidered that the prequests are going to be the only endgame instances besides kharazan |
| 16:04.39 | Kirkburn|afk | eh? |
| 16:04.42 | Kirkburn|afk | Black Temple? |
| 16:04.48 | Kirkburn|afk | Gruul's Lair? |
| 16:04.52 | Kirkburn|afk | Serpentshrine Cavern? |
| 16:05.01 | Fisker | Lady vashj and kael yes |
| 16:05.05 | Kirkburn|afk | Magtheridon's Lair? |
| 16:05.12 | Fisker | didn't take the one-boss raid instances into count :P |
| 16:05.18 | Kirkburn|afk | = |
| 16:05.20 | Kirkburn|afk | =) |
| 16:06.59 | JoshBorke | TBC is going to have plenty to keep people busy until the first content patch i think |
| 16:08.54 | Fisker | i think so too |
| 16:09.07 | Fisker | especially with the 1 billion non-raid instances |
| 16:09.17 | away | wha!? |
| 16:09.17 | Kirkburn|afk | Found an awesome quest area in the Netherstorm yesterday, really enjoyed it |
| 16:09.24 | away | I quit WoW ages ago, but a BILLION instances? |
| 16:09.33 | Kirkburn|afk | But of course |
| 16:09.42 | SilverSide | and hi kirk |
| 16:09.49 | Kirkburn|afk | And hullo :) |
| 16:09.56 | SilverSide | wtf was my name 'away' |
| 16:10.24 | Kirkburn|afk | Maybe automatic? |
| 16:10.28 | Away | hm |
| 16:10.47 | SilverSide | lol |
| 16:11.07 | SilverSide | and why is this channel on FREENODE anyway? |
| 16:11.12 | SilverSide | I thought it was only for open source projects |
| 16:11.30 | Kirkburn|afk | Well, you can describe UIs as such |
| 16:11.39 | SilverSide | I'm mostly in here for #ruby-talk, #rubyforce, #apache, #lighttpd, #trac, and #rubyonrails |
| 16:11.46 | Kirkburn|afk | Certainly in the case of the Ace 'collective' it's open-source |
| 16:11.50 | SilverSide | I guess that makes sense |
| 16:12.30 | SilverSide | KB, it's been ages since I've been on WoWWiki. Is ragrok or whatever still stagnating growth by never bein the hell around? |
| 16:12.30 | Tem | SilverSide, this channel is on this server because when Cair started this channel, she was already idling in at least one other channel on this server |
| 16:12.32 | Josh_Borke | i'm just here for the booze |
| 16:12.39 | Kirkburn|afk | Rustak, and yes :/ |
| 16:12.43 | SilverSide | eh damn |
| 16:12.48 | Cairenn|afk | given that this channel is composed of WoW Mod Authors world-wide, sharing their coding practices, helping each other, etc etc - how much more "open source" would you like? |
| 16:12.51 | SilverSide | I should offer to buy it from him |
| 16:13.21 | Kirkburn|afk | You know that'll never happen |
| 16:13.23 | SilverSide | Cairenn|afk: lol I was just askin, don't get me wrong - I've got two or three totally off-topic channels on this server. it's just the only server I usually hang around in (-: |
| 16:13.44 | Cairenn|afk | didn't take it wrong, just saying it fits the parameters |
| 16:13.48 | Josh_Borke | morning Cairenn|afk |
| 16:13.50 | SilverSide | Kirkburn|afk: why? |
| 16:13.54 | Cairenn|afk | hi Josh_Borke |
| 16:15.51 | Kirkburn|afk | SilverSide, do you really want to go over old ground? Because I won't ... |
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| 16:16.01 | SilverSide | what? |
| 16:16.09 | SilverSide | I PM'd you (-: |
| 16:16.31 | Kirkburn|afk | No, you didn't :P |
| 16:16.43 | Tem | is that a backwards smiley or is that a horrible typo? |
| 16:16.51 | Cairenn|afk | SilverSide: /msg nickserv identify <pw> ;) |
| 16:17.07 | SilverSide | sigh |
| 16:17.09 | Fisker | is darkmoon faire up? |
| 16:17.12 | Cairenn|afk | lol |
| 16:17.13 | Tem | gah! why is my biology proffessor such a buzzkill? |
| 16:17.22 | [e] | there we go |
| 16:17.32 | Tem | I do well on today's test and before I even get back to my appartment, she's sent an email |
| 16:17.39 | [e] | about |
| 16:17.44 | Tem | "Don't forget, your final exam is next tuesday!" |
| 16:17.59 | Tem | damn you woman! I wasn't planning on thinking about that until... next monday |
| 16:18.04 | Josh_Borke | lol tem |
| 16:18.19 | Industrial | wooooo |
| 16:18.24 | Industrial | my dad left for thailand for 3 weeks |
| 16:18.30 | Industrial | tha house is mine! |
| 16:18.40 | pastamancer | party time! |
| 16:18.49 | Industrial | exactly |
| 16:18.50 | Cairenn|afk | party at Industrial's! |
| 16:19.14 | Tem | oh hell yes! |
| 16:19.20 | Tem | She's not such a buzzkill afterall |
| 16:19.24 | [e] | where is industrials? |
| 16:19.32 | Tem | this exam is covering LESS material |
| 16:19.33 | Industrial | Amsterdam, The Netherlands, [e] |
| 16:19.34 | [e] | key information, indust - key information |
| 16:19.40 | [e] | pah |
| 16:19.46 | Industrial | :> |
| 16:19.53 | [e] | lol (-: |
| 16:20.16 | Tem | ok, you should stop that |
| 16:20.23 | Tem | it's really hurting my brain |
| 16:20.41 | Tem | (though, the lack of sleep is certainly not helping) |
| 16:20.48 | [e] | what is |
| 16:20.51 | [e] | brainhurting is bad |
| 16:22.03 | Tem | the backwards smiley |
| 16:22.19 | Industrial | picasso |
| 16:22.21 | Industrial | :P |
| 16:22.47 | Industrial | ):- |
| 16:23.35 | Telrin | 8717591970514 |
| 16:23.40 | Telrin | 8717591970514 |
| 16:23.43 | Telrin | 8717591970514 |
| 16:23.48 | Josh_Borke | ... |
| 16:23.51 | Telrin | Uhm. |
| 16:23.57 | Mery | 4150791957178 |
| 16:23.58 | Telrin | Don't play with barcode scanners that you've just attached. |
| 16:24.07 | Josh_Borke | eight six seven five three oooooohhhh niiiinnnnneee |
| 16:24.16 | Telrin | "Hey, this makes a funny noise, but it doesn't do anything.. Oh, wait, crap." |
| 16:24.25 | Mery | rofl |
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| 16:25.20 | Industrial | local sPage = cgi.p or 'home' |
| 16:25.20 | Industrial | cgilua.lp.include('templates/'..sPage..'.lp') |
| 16:25.34 | Industrial | An url handler with kepler |
| 16:27.29 | [e]away | it's not picasso, it's my signature |
| 16:27.35 | [e]away | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:28.05 | Kirkburn|afk | Tis true |
| 16:28.18 | [e]away | yes, I believe kirkburn's seen them before |
| 16:29.12 | Industrial | [e]work: /away work |
| 16:29.25 | Industrial | [e]work: /nick [e] |
| 16:29.27 | [e]work | sigh I know, but I like my names |
| 16:29.28 | Industrial | :P |
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| 16:33.17 | [e]work | P.S. all - WoWWiki just broke. at least for me |
| 16:33.21 | [e]work | http://wowwiki.com/images/b/ba/Communityportal.png |
| 16:33.26 | [e]work | http://wowwiki.com/images/a/a2/Icon-lightbulb.png |
| 16:33.47 | [e]work | http://wowwiki.com/Image:Communityportal.png |
| 16:33.53 | [e]work | all returning Forbiddens |
| 16:34.19 | Neuro_Medivh | worked for me |
| 16:34.33 | [e]work | hmm maybe it's me. |
| 16:34.36 | Kirkburn|afk | Don't forget the www |
| 16:34.45 | Kirkburn|afk | Yes, it is silly |
| 16:34.51 | [e]work | ... |
| 16:34.56 | Neuro_Medivh | yes, even without the www, it worked for me |
| 16:35.04 | [e]work | direct violation of w3c standards. sigh... |
| 16:35.09 | [e]work | ok back to work |
| 16:35.15 | [e]work | wait, I mean... 'work'. lol (-: |
| 16:40.00 | [e]work | rustak has apache set to reject media incuslion requests to prevent bandwidth stealing from any server but 'wowwiki.com'... it should be '(www.)?wowwiki.com' |
| 16:41.35 | Gryphen | yeah...its been discussed |
| 16:42.33 | [e]work | eh lol ok |
| 16:42.40 | [e]work | yeah I think I remember that from a while back |
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| 16:43.17 | SilverSide | woot. |
| 16:43.26 | Industrial | okok hes back |
| 16:43.28 | Industrial | everyone hide |
| 16:43.30 | Industrial | shhh |
| 16:43.33 | SilverSide | )-: |
| 16:44.20 | Industrial | You fumble your attack. |
| 16:44.23 | Industrial | (hehe) |
| 16:44.36 | SilverSide | you play D&D by any chance? |
| 16:45.02 | Industrial | No, thats (also?) from Dark Age of Camelot |
| 16:45.10 | SilverSide | ehm |
| 16:45.12 | SilverSide | lol |
| 16:45.25 | SilverSide | well you fumble your life. pwnt. |
| 16:45.44 | Industrial | if you like D&D, read http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0001.html |
| 16:48.09 | SilverSide | yes of course I read that lol it's great |
| 16:48.14 | SilverSide | haven't been there in a while though |
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| 17:21.24 | Elkano | does anybody know how to set the draw layer of a statusbar via lua? |
| 17:27.30 | wereHamster | Elkano, :SetFrameLevel() ? |
| 17:28.12 | Elkano | can this also set the layer? I think it only stes the order inside a layer |
| 17:30.14 | wereHamster | you're right.. |
| 17:30.58 | SP|Sorren | :SetFrameStrat()? |
| 17:31.16 | SP|Sorren | :SetFrameStrata() -.- |
| 17:34.54 | Elkano | I found :SetDrawLayer on wowwiki.com iirc but that doesn't work |
| 17:41.03 | SP|Sorren | green instance portal = raid? |
| 17:41.13 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 17:41.29 | SP|Sorren | cool |
| 17:41.35 | SP|Sorren | found a NYI one in blades edge |
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| 17:42.25 | nevcairiel | gruuls lair? |
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| 17:43.12 | SP|Sorren | i guess :P |
| 17:43.48 | Mery | green instance portal = raid with lockout timer |
| 17:45.45 | nevcairiel | do heroic instances have a timer? |
| 17:45.47 | nevcairiel | or unlimited? |
| 17:45.59 | Mery | as far as I know no timer |
| 17:46.03 | Mery | but im only 62 |
| 17:46.05 | Mery | =) |
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| 17:51.58 | Osagasu | ~ugt |
| 17:52.01 | purl | rumour has it, ugt is Universial Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
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| 18:02.55 | Inside | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:03.38 | [Cu]Werik | lol |
| 18:03.55 | Inside | That's brilliat |
| 18:04.04 | Inside | s/brilliat/brilliant |
| 18:04.43 | [Cu]Werik | I like this:)) |
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| 18:15.51 | Neuro_Medivh | tomorrow they will be an unmitigated nightmare |
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| 18:16.50 | cogwheel | if they exist at all |
| 18:17.28 | Mery | or a "timed out" |
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| 18:18.32 | Mery | they should just do their forum maintance on patch days, it won't work anyway |
| 18:19.21 | ckknight_ | hey all |
| 18:19.31 | Mery | hey ckknight_ |
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| 18:20.08 | foxlit | Question: Did something change in the way <NormalText ... /> is handled in XML? Button:SetText("string") doesn't seem to do anything. |
| 18:22.45 | foxlit | http://wowi.pastey.net/3020 |
| 18:26.27 | cogwheel | foxlit: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=47009824&postId=471064354&sid=1#1 |
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| 18:28.35 | foxlit | cogwheel: that fixes it, thanks. Explains why I couldn't find NormalText in TBC XML exctacts too |
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| 18:34.46 | Corrodias | y'see, theo, the forums are a delicate thing. |
| 18:35.47 | Corrodias | all those letters and boards |
| 18:37.27 | SB1-Work | Mmm, internal server error |
| 18:39.00 | Kaso | i love the question marks in that error message, it seems like the server doesnt know if its an error or not |
| 18:39.13 | Kaso | Error 500 ?? Who knows! |
| 18:39.25 | cogwheel | I think it means that blizzard hasn't defined a more meaningful message for that error. |
| 18:39.35 | pastamancer | What is wrong: It is a mystery? |
| 18:40.24 | Kaso | i like my anthropomorphic server better cogwheel! |
| 18:41.35 | Esamynn | quick question for this group, has anyone seen any signs of live out of the maintainers for either Nymbia's Perl UnitFrames or Gypsy Unitbars? |
| 18:41.44 | Esamynn | s/live/life/ |
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| 18:53.15 | Caeryn | greetings humans and friends |
| 18:53.26 | Caeryn | and lesser demihumans |
| 18:53.44 | Elkano | what about daemons? |
| 18:53.56 | cogwheel | Dont talk about Kirkburn like that... |
| 18:53.58 | cogwheel | XD |
| 18:54.13 | Caeryn | daemons are tasty, like self fried chicken |
| 18:54.13 | Kirkburn | \o/ How did you know?! |
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| 18:56.12 | Caeryn | what saddens me is how people don't leave feedback on your UI, making me feel sad and underappreciated |
| 18:56.16 | Caeryn | and then tears follow |
| 18:56.42 | cogwheel | Caeryn: we've all been there... Take no comments as a sign that everything's OK... |
| 18:57.24 | SB1-Work | lol, I actually have a comment |
| 18:57.25 | SB1-Work | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=5583 |
| 18:57.26 | pastamancer | users?! who cares about users?! |
| 18:57.36 | pastamancer | all they ever do is break stuff :p |
| 18:57.49 | [Cu]Werik | and complain |
| 18:57.51 | [Cu]Werik | doh! |
| 18:57.54 | Caeryn | lol@SBi's name, |
| 18:58.05 | SB1-Work | Hmm? |
| 18:58.08 | Caeryn | are you YAPH? |
| 18:58.12 | SB1-Work | Oh, the author name I listed? |
| 18:58.17 | SB1-Work | ... who? |
| 18:58.22 | Caeryn | yet another perl hacker? |
| 18:58.31 | SB1-Work | No, actually |
| 19:00.36 | SB1-Work | I named it that because someone else (I forget who) in here suggested it |
| 19:00.51 | SB1-Work | And I'm just lacking that much creativity |
| 19:01.42 | Caeryn | personally with the abillion mods out there, I would name the mod "Author's <2 word description" |
| 19:01.49 | Caeryn | so like SB's SquareMap |
| 19:02.00 | Caeryn | I mean, most people don't get past the title |
| 19:02.07 | SB1-Work | True |
| 19:02.26 | [Cu]Werik | Just put the mod's name at the beginning to help search engines |
| 19:02.28 | [Cu]Werik | :) |
| 19:02.48 | SB1-Work | It's listed as YASMM in the addon selection screen in WoW |
| 19:02.49 | SB1-Work | So eh |
| 19:06.04 | Caeryn | also, when looking at mods either in the login screen or the folder, I am infinitely confused by mods named CDSC or NECB..... O_O |
| 19:06.27 | SB1-Work | "And I'm just lacking that much creativity" |
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| 19:31.59 | Industrial | mehhhhh |
| 19:32.03 | Industrial | :< |
| 19:32.47 | Industrial | only sparring though, no KO, but got some good hits |
| 19:33.03 | Caeryn | if you got owned that means someone else beat you up no? |
| 19:33.13 | Industrial | Caeryn: yeah |
| 19:33.39 | Caeryn | muay thai hurts too |
| 19:33.42 | Caeryn | lots of power in kicks |
| 19:34.09 | Industrial | Yeah I do it 3 times a week |
| 19:34.11 | Industrial | ;) |
| 19:35.01 | Caeryn | how do you find time for anything outside of work and wo |
| 19:35.03 | Caeryn | wow |
| 19:35.14 | Josh_Borke | there's something outside of work/wow? o.O |
| 19:35.25 | Josh_Borke | (this coming from the guy who hasn't played wow for 3 months) |
| 19:35.25 | Industrial | oh thats easy I dont have a social life |
| 19:35.58 | Industrial | not even IN wow for what thats worth |
| 19:36.00 | Caeryn | i don't have one either! |
| 19:36.11 | Caeryn | but work + wow + sleep = no more hours left |
| 19:36.40 | Caeryn | pretty much boils down to 11 + 5 + 8 |
| 19:36.53 | Josh_Borke | that's a lot of work |
| 19:37.04 | Industrial | school + work + muay thai + wow + ao + coding for wow + coding for web + learning more coding + omg no social life |
| 19:37.09 | Caeryn | about 1 of it is driving time and dinner time |
| 19:37.23 | Caeryn | i count work as the moment i walk out the door till the moment iwalk back in |
| 19:37.40 | Caeryn | sooo Industrial |
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| 19:38.03 | Caeryn | that's like 6 + 4 + 2 + 2 + 4 + 6 + 6 - 6? |
| 19:38.07 | Industrial | im 19 and havent had a gf in 3 years. depressing. |
| 19:38.11 | Industrial | uh lets see |
| 19:38.21 | Josh_Borke | in 2.0, we can still do unpack(...)? |
| 19:38.29 | Caeryn | yes |
| 19:39.27 | End | isn't ... "unpacked" already? |
| 19:39.27 | Cide | it is |
| 19:39.30 | Josh_Borke | so i could do local a,b,c = ...? |
| 19:39.31 | Cide | yes |
| 19:39.36 | Josh_Borke | thanks |
| 19:40.54 | Kaelten | but how do we figure out how many args are in ...? |
| 19:41.15 | SP|Sorren | select('#',...) |
| 19:41.18 | Josh_Borke | select('#',...) |
| 19:41.19 | SP|Sorren | i believe |
| 19:41.19 | Josh_Borke | dangit! |
| 19:41.25 | Cide | select('#', ...) |
| 19:41.28 | Cide | the space there is vital |
| 19:41.39 | Kaelten | select('#', ...) |
| 19:41.39 | SP|Sorren | no its not |
| 19:41.45 | Cide | I'm just kidding :) |
| 19:41.48 | SP|Sorren | oh |
| 19:41.59 | Josh_Borke | lol |
| 19:42.31 | Industrial | 1000-1300 school 1300-1700 work 1700-1800 family/food 1800-1900 muai thai 1900-0000/0200 the rest |
| 19:42.36 | Industrial | roughly |
| 19:42.37 | Industrial | :P |
| 19:43.35 | Industrial | School is easy - I go there to get my # of hours |
| 19:44.53 | SP|Sorren | whoa wowi layout change? |
| 19:45.17 | Josh_Borke | they've got light |
| 19:45.29 | SP|Sorren | i like it, its easier to read |
| 19:46.51 | Guillotine | Sorren: you always have the option to do Light, its just automatic around patch so theres not too much load |
| 19:47.02 | SP|Sorren | ahhh |
| 19:47.04 | SP|Sorren | never knew |
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| 19:47.46 | ckknight | hey all |
| 19:50.45 | SP|Sorren | hiya. |
| 19:55.03 | [Cu]Werik | We implemented some major changes of the file hosting system on Curse, I hope it will feel more comfortable this way. |
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| 19:55.29 | Osagasu | IGood to hear. |
| 19:55.36 | Osagasu | I'll look at it now. |
| 19:56.04 | foxlit | mm, lags a bit? |
| 19:58.52 | Osagasu | the header "New Addon Files" is a little confusing. It might be better left as "Updated Addons" |
| 19:59.41 | cogwheel | some sort of separators in the lists of labels would be nice too... |
| 19:59.53 | cogwheel | (e.g. commas) |
| 20:00.02 | [Cu]Werik | :) it's a cloud |
| 20:00.33 | Osagasu | It's confusing is what it is. And it hurts my eyes, because there's no demarcation points. |
| 20:00.35 | cogwheel | trouble is when a label has a space in it... |
| 20:01.20 | cogwheel | is it "druid functions" or "druid, functions" |
| 20:02.50 | [Cu]Werik | I'll see what I can do |
| 20:03.11 | Caeryn | [Cu]Werik: I've been requesting access to Drathal's HUD, I'm not sure if that request has been processed? |
| 20:03.44 | [Cu]Werik | If you didnt get it then it wasnt, I had exams and there is no such form on v3, so -> PM |
| 20:04.39 | pastamancer | [Cu]Werik: on FF1.5/Mac, the text boxes for search are 60% of the height of the search button graphic |
| 20:04.59 | [Cu]Werik | Can you give me a screenshot please? |
| 20:05.04 | pastamancer | sure |
| 20:06.04 | Caeryn | [Cu]Werik: yeap :) btw I haven't registered my nick and can't send private messages |
| 20:06.17 | Osagasu | An alternative to commas or periods... you could put double or triple spaces or make different shade from dark grey to black |
| 20:06.26 | [Cu]Werik | ook |
| 20:07.03 | cogwheel | en dashes would be sufficient... especially since most people don't know how to type them :) |
| 20:07.05 | [Cu]Werik | I dont want to poke now, so I will trust you :) Whats your curse account name?:) |
| 20:07.36 | Caeryn | Caeryn |
| 20:07.43 | Caeryn | O_o |
| 20:07.57 | Caeryn | I requested one under v2, you might find it if you digged through the requests |
| 20:08.22 | [Cu]Werik | Yes, the thing is , I cant access v2 anymore:) |
| 20:09.10 | Caeryn | they don't forward the requests to your email? |
| 20:09.14 | Caeryn | or something |
| 20:09.25 | [Cu]Werik | I wish it did |
| 20:09.30 | SP|Sorren | sigh, why can't i use my flying mount in nagrand :( |
| 20:09.42 | pastamancer | [Cu]Werik: http://kyle.13th-floor.org/images/tmp/curse.png |
| 20:09.48 | Caeryn | they added a few billion places you can't start to mount in the last patch |
| 20:09.53 | [Cu]Werik | thanks |
| 20:09.54 | Caeryn | that annoyed me no end |
| 20:10.52 | SP|Sorren | wry do you hate me nagrand :( |
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| 20:13.03 | foxlit | ForceLogout(); -- You don't have permission to call that function |
| 20:13.37 | cogwheel | foxlit: SendChatMessage("\n") does the trick... XD |
| 20:13.40 | SP|Sorren | try /quit? |
| 20:13.54 | Mery | cogwheel: I thougt that is fixed |
| 20:13.58 | SP|Sorren | i just use alt+f4 |
| 20:14.11 | cogwheel | Mery: in 2.0? didn't realize that... |
| 20:14.26 | foxlit | Ended up using the red x over the window; test client couldn't exit wsg |
| 20:14.31 | [Cu]Werik | Caeryn, I will tell you when I managed to change the ownership. At the moment, It looks like I cant:) |
| 20:15.44 | Caeryn | ok |
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| 20:23.42 | [Cu]Werik | pastamancer, what's that font MAC uses on the screenshot?:) |
| 20:23.45 | kkress | Anyone around who can answer some (likely silly) questions? |
| 20:24.02 | |FF|Im2good4u | ^^lucky for the players |
| 20:24.20 | |FF|Im2good4u | i can onlt answer stoopid ones kkress |
| 20:24.35 | foxlit | just shoot them at us; you'll get an answer eventually :) |
| 20:24.44 | |FF|Im2good4u | or not :P |
| 20:24.51 | kkress | hehe |
| 20:25.11 | kkress | so I'm new to the who UI side of mods and am trying to wade in with a rather simple mod |
| 20:25.42 | |FF|Im2good4u | the /who stuff ? |
| 20:26.06 | kkress | ... not sure what you mean by /who stuff |
| 20:26.12 | Corrodias | you said the "who UI" |
| 20:26.14 | foxlit | [Cu]Werik: The "Edit Comments" option is a bit odd; it doesn't actually alow you to edit comments; rather to remove some. |
| 20:26.30 | kkress | add |
| 20:26.41 | Corrodias | add? additional mobs? |
| 20:26.44 | [Cu]Werik | foxlit, we are aware of that |
| 20:26.48 | foxlit | who=whole, I believe. |
| 20:26.49 | kkress | *sigh* ... takes another sip of coffee... I really need more coffee before typing |
| 20:26.51 | [Cu]Werik | but thanks for reporting it:) |
| 20:27.24 | kkress | yes who=whole add==ahh ... *cry* apparently dayquil and coffee cancel each other out |
| 20:27.31 | foxlit | The inner content of that pages wraps in a rather ugly fashion in IE7 as well. |
| 20:27.55 | Corrodias | they probably counteract each other to some extent |
| 20:27.57 | [Cu]Werik | I will check that |
| 20:28.26 | |FF|Im2good4u | kkress did u try the basic toturals ? |
| 20:28.42 | Tem | mmmm |
| 20:28.45 | Josh_Borke | Cairenn|afk: ping |
| 20:28.49 | Tem | I think it's a retro gaming day |
| 20:28.50 | foxlit | kkress: The tutorials in the WoW AddOn kit might be a good place to start |
| 20:28.55 | Corrodias | tutorials are for people who want to learn. hah! :P |
| 20:29.28 | foxlit | kkress: Or you could browse through http://www.wowwiki.com/Category:HOWTOs |
| 20:29.34 | |FF|Im2good4u | did they add toturals ? oO i used the one on WoWWiKi to learn it :p |
| 20:29.41 | pastamancer | [Cu]Werik: hmm, good question |
| 20:29.44 | kkress | |FF|Im2good4u: The basics I get, I'm rather confused about best practices. For example when to create Frames in XML vs not? Are the new Secure headers intended to be used for any sort of pop ups now? What exactly is the Header in SecureHeader refering to? |
| 20:30.01 | Josh_Borke | kkress: i'd shoot for some of those questions |
| 20:30.03 | [Cu]Werik | it looks amazing |
| 20:30.32 | |FF|Im2good4u | oO those questios are above my limit lol |
| 20:30.36 | Josh_Borke | kkress: frames can be created in either xml or lua, it's really just up to you. lua lends itself to repeatability and initialization. xml is easy nice because it is a oneoff things |
| 20:30.53 | foxlit | kkress: XML is prefferred for creating complex, one-use frames, while LUA-based CreateFrame is easier to use for templated elements that repeat |
| 20:30.54 | |FF|Im2good4u | i sux as xml i use a sort of visaul program program for it |
| 20:31.01 | |FF|Im2good4u | and secure header i never uderstood :P |
| 20:31.17 | Josh_Borke | kkress: secure headers are useful for anything that you need to do to interact with the server. using any item in your bags or performing any function |
| 20:31.27 | Josh_Borke | you can't use an insecure button to open the tradeskill windows |
| 20:31.30 | kkress | I'm just seeing a lot of stylist differences from mod to mod, wasn't sure if there were some standards to conform to |
| 20:31.51 | Josh_Borke | there's no real standards. best practices are basically don't polute the global namespace |
| 20:32.03 | pastamancer | [Cu]Werik: Lucidia Grande I think |
| 20:32.19 | Corrodias | there is a way to remove frames from the global namespace but i don't remember it |
| 20:32.33 | [Cu]Werik | thanks:) |
| 20:32.37 | pastamancer | s/Lucidia/Lucida/ |
| 20:32.57 | pastamancer | at least that's what it says when I copy/paste into word |
| 20:32.57 | Josh_Borke | Corrodias: yes there is. _G[<frame name>] = nil. the frame still exists though |
| 20:33.19 | foxlit | You can create anonymous frames as well |
| 20:33.55 | Corrodias | so you make a reference to it as a property/member/whatever of another object and then do what Josh said, so the frame can only be accessed through MyAddon.Frame1 or whatever. if i recall. people don't usually do that, though. |
| 20:34.11 | kkress | Josh_Borke: I've actually gotten some SecureActionButtons to work. But comprehension and working are 2 different things |
| 20:34.28 | Corrodias | what are anonymous frames? |
| 20:34.31 | foxlit | Comprehend on Live; test is for making things wrong :) |
| 20:34.42 | foxlit | s/wrong/work/ |
| 20:34.45 | SB1-Work | All right, who knows of a few good flexbar replacements that will work come tuesday? |
| 20:34.59 | Josh_Borke | SB1-Work: flexbar 2 |
| 20:35.05 | Josh_Borke | Corrodias: frames without a name? |
| 20:35.10 | foxlit | CreateFrame("frameType", "frameName", parentFrame[, "inheritsFrame"]); |
| 20:35.11 | SP|Sorren | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:35.17 | SB1-Work | Josh_Borke, WoWI? |
| 20:35.17 | foxlit | nil for "frameName", and no name is set |
| 20:35.23 | SP|Sorren | but if it says a specific place like The Great Fissure, i can |
| 20:35.25 | SP|Sorren | what's up with that |
| 20:35.26 | Josh_Borke | SB1-Work: not yet. it's being written in Ace |
| 20:35.33 | kkress | Josh_Borke: I'm trying to figure out what the "Header" Templates are. Mostly I'm confused about what the header refers to and what their purpose is. |
| 20:35.46 | SB1-Work | Josh_Borke, "that will work come tuesday" :) |
| 20:35.48 | Josh_Borke | kkress: Headers are used for things that can change while in combat |
| 20:35.52 | foxlit | I believe headers are a mechanism through which you can update the action buttons in combat |
| 20:35.52 | SB1-Work | Not released == not working ;) |
| 20:35.59 | Josh_Borke | SB1-Work: Trinity Buttons on WoWI should work, but not as flexible |
| 20:36.09 | Josh_Borke | foxlit: exactly (as best i've determined) |
| 20:36.18 | Josh_Borke | i have no actual experience with any modding whatsoever ;-D |
| 20:36.26 | foxlit | Or, rather, a mechanism through which you can get WoW to update what action buttons do in combat |
| 20:36.30 | Corrodias | i think i just inhaled a piece of lettuce |
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| 20:36.50 | Josh_Borke | it's a method for which you can change what a button does in combat, whether it is a unit button or an action button or what |
| 20:36.54 | Josh_Borke | speak of the devil1 |
| 20:36.56 | Josh_Borke | cncfanatics: ping |
| 20:37.04 | kkress | so then the headers are not intended to be actual UI elements every, but just invisble containers for secure UI elements to live? |
| 20:37.11 | cncfanatics | pong |
| 20:37.12 | kkress | s/every/ever/ |
| 20:37.21 | Josh_Borke | cncfanatics: question about FB2 and tuesday |
| 20:37.25 | cncfanatics | sure |
| 20:37.35 | Josh_Borke | SB1-Work: speak ;-) |
| 20:37.40 | SB1-Work | <-- question here ;) |
| 20:37.47 | Josh_Borke | kkress: yea, pretty sure that is absolutely correct |
| 20:37.49 | SB1-Work | cncfanatics, will it work enough for general usage? |
| 20:37.54 | cncfanatics | what work ? |
| 20:37.58 | cncfanatics | I just joined the chan ;) |
| 20:38.01 | SB1-Work | cncfanatics, or rather, enough for "fellow dev" usage |
| 20:38.04 | foxlit | not sure if they're actual containers, think they require securebuttons to be registered with them |
| 20:38.04 | SB1-Work | cncfanatics, flexbar 2 |
| 20:38.09 | Josh_Borke | kkress: I believe you can make them visible ala the raid group/class headers |
| 20:38.13 | foxlit | Read through SecureTemplates.lua |
| 20:38.27 | cncfanatics | it works, it just lacks slashcommands or config GUI totally |
| 20:38.42 | SB1-Work | How is it configured currently? |
| 20:38.45 | Josh_Borke | foxlit: yea, they aren't containers. securebuttons get an attribute set to them |
| 20:39.05 | cncfanatics | check the _controller.lua file |
| 20:39.11 | cncfanatics | everything is documented |
| 20:39.18 | SB1-Work | so raw LUA, mmkay |
| 20:39.22 | SB1-Work | Have a link anywhere? |
| 20:39.35 | Josh_Borke | www.wowace.com/files |
| 20:39.40 | Kaso | lua executable? |
| 20:40.05 | SB1-Work | ohh, nice and small. |
| 20:40.43 | cncfanatics | small ? |
| 20:40.44 | cncfanatics | rofl my wish |
| 20:40.49 | SB1-Work | .zip size |
| 20:40.53 | SB1-Work | Smaller than flexbar iirc |
| 20:41.03 | Josh_Borke | cncfanatics: performance still good? |
| 20:41.13 | cncfanatics | still ? |
| 20:41.20 | cncfanatics | fb1 performance never has been good :p |
| 20:41.24 | kkress | Josh_Borke: foxlit: Thanks guys for helping me out with the questions. I think I've got a clearer idea of whats going on. Lurking here will probably help to :) |
| 20:41.26 | cncfanatics | fb2 performance > fb1 performance by miles |
| 20:41.35 | Josh_Borke | kkress: we're here to help :-) |
| 20:41.48 | SB1-Work | cncfanatics, to give you an idea, I'm still using fb1 |
| 20:42.09 | cncfanatics | then u'll find performance to own |
| 20:42.17 | cncfanatics | there is no noticable framerate drop for me with fb2 at all |
| 20:42.20 | Josh_Borke | cncfanatics: every little bit helps :-) |
| 20:42.45 | SB1-Work | well, I play with vsync on, and have enough of a computer that I pull 60FPS in IF anyways |
| 20:42.54 | SB1-Work | So that's kind of a moot point to me |
| 20:42.59 | cncfanatics | also, FB2 is totaly event driven |
| 20:43.05 | cncfanatics | so no onupdate code at all :) |
| 20:43.10 | SB1-Work | Ohh, okay |
| 20:43.11 | SB1-Work | That's nice |
| 20:43.12 | cncfanatics | except if the code in question triggers an event |
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| 20:43.23 | cncfanatics | (in out of range of spells atm, as there is no blizz event for that atm) |
| 20:44.00 | Josh_Borke | you only do the in/out of range out of combat? |
| 20:44.16 | cncfanatics | in out/range colorring is mainly important in combat |
| 20:44.21 | cncfanatics | so no, but I only do it once every 0.5 sec |
| 20:45.16 | SB1-Work | cncfanatics, my current UI: http://www.brantleyonline.com/images/wow-leet-ui.png |
| 20:45.30 | SB1-Work | I just want a good button replacement that can do show/hide on mouse over/out ;) |
| 20:45.41 | Josh_Borke | mouse-over is so f ugly |
| 20:45.41 | SB1-Work | And keybindings, lol |
| 20:46.08 | cncfanatics | keybindings are VERY anoying for actionbars now cuz of blizz |
| 20:46.13 | cncfanatics | can't use the default keybindings interface :/ |
| 20:46.35 | SB1-Work | That's fine with me in all truth (I am sitting here in a dev channel :P) |
| 20:46.40 | Josh_Borke | cncfanatics: you should be able to do an update every 0.2 seconds at least |
| 20:46.44 | SB1-Work | I just like my screen real estate. |
| 20:47.13 | cncfanatics | I'll be putting a config var on how often to update soon anyway Josh_Borke |
| 20:47.55 | cncfanatics | btw, if u got complicated requests, just throw me a /msg |
| 20:47.57 | Thunder_Child | well if someone was so inclined they could create a mod that makes "virtual" key bindings that other mods could use |
| 20:48.03 | foxlit | EU test pve is pretty dead at the moment? |
| 20:48.20 | cncfanatics | u cant login on it foxlit :( |
| 20:48.34 | SB1-Work | beta does maintaince on mondays |
| 20:48.48 | foxlit | silly if they're patching live on tuesday. |
| 20:49.58 | nevcairiel | beta is still up |
| 20:50.09 | pastamancer | [Cu]Werik: nevermind on lucida grande. everything I pastee into word is in lucida grande. it's probably verdana or helvetica |
| 20:50.10 | Antiarc | http://news.com.com/2100-1043_3-6140298.html?part=rss&tag=2547-1_3-0-5&subj=news |
| 20:50.15 | Antiarc | WTS [Government] cheap, PST. |
| 20:50.15 | SB1-Work | cncfanatics, that's a LOT of documentation. Could you pseudo up some code that would cast Fireball, and show/hide on mouse in/out? |
| 20:50.29 | cncfanatics | addons cant cast spells at all |
| 20:50.32 | cncfanatics | so no :p |
| 20:50.40 | SB1-Work | ;P |
| 20:50.43 | SB1-Work | You know what I mean |
| 20:50.47 | SB1-Work | I'm heavily interested in this.. |
| 20:50.57 | Antiarc | You can't show/hide frames in combat anymore. |
| 20:51.04 | Antiarc | Not secure frames anyway. |
| 20:51.09 | nevcairiel | you can setalpha them to 0 |
| 20:51.10 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 20:51.15 | Antiarc | But they're still clickable. |
| 20:51.15 | SB1-Work | Yup |
| 20:51.20 | SB1-Work | Which is fine with me |
| 20:51.24 | Antiarc | So they're "in your way" from a control standpoint. |
| 20:51.26 | Mery | well if you do it on mouse in mouse out |
| 20:51.34 | cogwheel | Antiarc: WTS [Libertarianism] free... PST |
| 20:51.38 | Mery | there is no difference because it would be visible |
| 20:51.38 | Antiarc | Sold! |
| 20:51.44 | Mery | when the mouse is over |
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| 20:52.25 | foxlit | It would be nice to see more of the UI fade out if it's not relevant at the moment. |
| 20:53.38 | [Cu]Werik | foxlit, can you tell me where did you find that wrapping issue? |
| 20:55.23 | foxlit | [Cu]Werik: hold on, will upload a screenshot |
| 20:55.32 | [Cu]Werik | Awesome |
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| 20:56.38 | SB1-Work | cncfanatics, let me go about this a different way. Is there anything I could do to help you out with fb2? |
| 20:56.41 | Thunder_Child | wow EU is getting boned for patching times |
| 20:56.55 | cncfanatics | test test test & test more |
| 20:56.59 | |FF|Im2good4u | ifc it it is |
| 20:57.01 | cncfanatics | its not stable at all atm |
| 20:57.06 | |FF|Im2good4u | it will be bac kup on next friday |
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| 20:57.38 | foxlit | [Cu]Werik: http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/3508/cursell2.png |
| 20:57.39 | SB1-Work | cncfanatics, does your code work in both PTR and beta currently? |
| 20:57.46 | cncfanatics | yea |
| 20:57.50 | cncfanatics | same bugs on both -.- |
| 20:57.56 | foxlit | Ignore the 256 color compression |
| 20:57.57 | SB1-Work | haha |
| 20:58.01 | SB1-Work | At least it's consistent! ;) |
| 20:58.02 | [Cu]Werik | THanks |
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| 21:03.00 | |FF|Im2good4u | guys i got this verry weird problem |
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| 21:05.12 | SB1-Work | cncfanatics, I'll give it an install either today in beta or tomorrow on live and poke around.. |
| 21:05.20 | cncfanatics | oki |
| 21:05.26 | cncfanatics | don't expect it to be stable for now :p |
| 21:05.43 | SB1-Work | I'm okay with semi-functional and lacking real config options ;) |
| 21:06.43 | |FF|Im2good4u | im hooking the ChatEdit_OnTabPressed() (http://wdn.wowinterface.com/code/2026144/FrameXML/ChatFrame.lua line:2687) but in my hooked function this.chatType (line 2688) is always nil like it doest exist in my function ? how can this be |
| 21:07.00 | Josh_Borke | |FF|Im2good4u: it doesn't always exist |
| 21:07.07 | Josh_Borke | |FF|Im2good4u: they only use it to check to see if it is a whisper |
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| 21:07.31 | |FF|Im2good4u | oke thats actualy jsut wut i wana do |
| 21:07.45 | |FF|Im2good4u | i wana overwrite the <Tab> behavoir for whispers |
| 21:08.43 | SP|Sorren | i really miss ffxi bazaars |
| 21:08.51 | |FF|Im2good4u | but atm its always nil evne if im making a whisper |
| 21:08.59 | SP|Sorren | i want to afk next to the dude who requires an adamantite frame for his quest |
| 21:09.05 | SP|Sorren | and have them in my bazaar for ridiculous prices |
| 21:09.25 | |FF|Im2good4u | even when the blizzard code switches tru the last names my code still says its nil ? how |
| 21:10.39 | Josh_Borke | pastecode your code please |FF|Im2good4u |
| 21:10.47 | |FF|Im2good4u | oke |
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| 21:12.06 | SB1-Work | cncfanatics, re: what I said earlier about show/hide on mouse over/out... does FB2 mimic this with transparency currently? |
| 21:13.02 | cncfanatics | not currently |
| 21:13.06 | cncfanatics | but events are up |
| 21:13.12 | Kaso | Why can we still pick up money? |
| 21:13.12 | cncfanatics | so u can set that up with custom events if u want |
| 21:13.24 | |FF|Im2good4u | Josh_Borke: http://wowi.pastey.net/3031 |
| 21:13.25 | cncfanatics | u can do pretty much everything with custom events tbh :p |
| 21:13.29 | cncfanatics | also, as ur a coder |
| 21:13.34 | cncfanatics | take a loot at the text subs engin |
| 21:13.36 | cncfanatics | engine* |
| 21:13.39 | SB1-Work | cncfanatics, good to know.. that makes me happy |
| 21:13.40 | cncfanatics | think u'll find it intresting |
| 21:13.50 | SB1-Work | file and line to take a look at? |
| 21:13.50 | cncfanatics | its extremely easy for 3rd party addons to add new text subs :) |
| 21:13.56 | Inside | Hmmmmm. |
| 21:14.11 | cncfanatics | 219, controller |
| 21:14.22 | cncfanatics | 73, controller for an example |
| 21:14.42 | SB1-Work | Hey, that's nice stuff |
| 21:15.08 | cncfanatics | Best part of FB2 except for custom events yet imo :) |
| 21:15.21 | cncfanatics | gonna get sleep now, g'night |
| 21:16.45 | Josh_Borke | |FF|Im2good4u: i would recomend checking to see if the this in your code is the same as the this in blizzard corde |
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| 21:17.17 | |FF|Im2good4u | hmm should be shoulnd it ? |
| 21:17.24 | |FF|Im2good4u | but how do i check that ? |
| 21:17.24 | Josh_Borke | it should, but i'm not positive |
| 21:17.32 | |FF|Im2good4u | if this == this ? |
| 21:18.27 | |FF|Im2good4u | actauly mu code used to work on wow 1.12 but i broke in BC beta |
| 21:18.30 | Thunder_Child | ack, wowi just changed interfaces on me |
| 21:22.41 | Josh_Borke | |FF|Im2good4u: if (this == getglobal("ChatFrameEditBoxTemplate")) |
| 21:22.46 | |FF|Im2good4u | ah good idea :P |
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| 21:28.05 | cogwheel | if (this:GetName() == "ChatFrameEditBoxTemplate") might be more efficient |
| 21:28.07 | Legorol | any experienced warriors here: has sunder armor always been such that it refreshes the duration of all 5 existing sunders? |
| 21:28.13 | cogwheel | yep |
| 21:28.14 | Legorol | or has that been introduced in a patch |
| 21:28.21 | cogwheel | err... |
| 21:28.35 | |FF|Im2good4u | Josh_Borke: i jsut tested it and this == "ChatFrameEditBox" |
| 21:28.43 | cogwheel | can't say for that, actually... I didn't even realize it could be applied more than once until sometime after 1.3 :P |
| 21:28.49 | cogwheel | s/3/4/ |
| 21:28.53 | SB1-Work | lol |
| 21:28.55 | Legorol | i vaguely recall it being introduced in a patch, but i can't tell from patch notes |
| 21:29.09 | Legorol | ok welll it's at least as old as 1.4, that's fine |
| 21:29.40 | cogwheel | |FF|Im2good4u: actually, you shouldn't even be using "this" (unless that's what you named the "self" parameter) |
| 21:30.01 | |FF|Im2good4u | oO |
| 21:30.08 | |FF|Im2good4u | every1 always uses this :P |
| 21:30.21 | |FF|Im2good4u | i didnt even know there was a self parameter |
| 21:30.25 | cogwheel | yep. it's deprecated in 2.0 |
| 21:30.42 | cogwheel | i'd link the forum post, but... :S |
| 21:30.43 | |FF|Im2good4u | but did u look at the code |
| 21:30.48 | cogwheel | looking now... |
| 21:31.03 | |FF|Im2good4u | blizzaes use if this.chattype == "whisper" |
| 21:31.11 | |FF|Im2good4u | im trying todo the same |
| 21:31.16 | MentalPower | blizzard's code has now been updated yet |
| 21:31.18 | cogwheel | yep. i'd hope slouken would eventually fix that :P |
| 21:31.34 | MentalPower | s/now/not/ |
| 21:31.37 | cogwheel | "this" is still available, but it's slower and will probably be done away with in a future patch |
| 21:31.49 | |FF|Im2good4u | so i got to repalce all this's whit self's ? |
| 21:31.57 | cogwheel | in a sense... |
| 21:32.05 | MentalPower | unless you're dealing with blizzard templates, yes |
| 21:32.21 | cogwheel | you can actually name them "this" if you want |
| 21:32.25 | |FF|Im2good4u | well im deelnig whit a hook on a blizzard funtion |
| 21:32.27 | cogwheel | unless you're coding directly in XML |
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| 21:35.12 | cogwheel | |FF|Im2good4u: see the highlighted line: http://wowi.pastey.net/3035 |
| 21:35.21 | |FF|Im2good4u | oke |
| 21:35.22 | cogwheel | I kept it named 'this' so you don't have to change your code :) |
| 21:36.06 | |FF|Im2good4u | oke so basicly the frame itself now gets passed as arg1 to its events ? |
| 21:36.18 | cogwheel | actually, this is a bit safer: http://wowi.pastey.net/3036 |
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| 21:37.36 | |FF|Im2good4u | cogwheel: does this mean arg1 will always be the frame its table ? |
| 21:38.09 | cogwheel | the first argument is the frame itself |
| 21:38.36 | cogwheel | it's identical to the old 'this' but it's local instead of global |
| 21:38.55 | cogwheel | It's much more efficient that way |
| 21:39.03 | |FF|Im2good4u | oO |
| 21:39.26 | Josh_Borke | is anyone going to use the new coroutines? |
| 21:39.36 | |FF|Im2good4u | wierds how come that CHAT_MSG_* still got the actual message as arg1 ? |
| 21:39.55 | Josh_Borke | do they take any parameters? |
| 21:40.08 | Josh_Borke | arg1...whatever are defined globally on each event firing |
| 21:40.21 | cogwheel | that's a completely different issue |
| 21:40.31 | cogwheel | arg1 is a global variable not an argument to the function |
| 21:41.04 | SB1-Work | Holy crap, the sun, moon, planet earth and all of the stars aligned at the same time just for me |
| 21:41.24 | SB1-Work | I just managed to open six threads in tabs all at once without ONE single "Server overloaded because we suck at making forums" message |
| 21:42.44 | |FF|Im2good4u | oke thanks but i now get an error attept to indes local this a nil value |
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| 21:42.56 | cogwheel | |FF|Im2good4u: live or 2.0? |
| 21:43.03 | |FF|Im2good4u | BC beta |
| 21:43.43 | |FF|Im2good4u | its at Silvanas.Print(this:GetName()) |
| 21:43.57 | cogwheel | ChatEdit_OnTabPressed must not be the basic event handler then... |
| 21:44.23 | cogwheel | That's slouken's fault so you should just put it back the way it was :P |
| 21:45.07 | |FF|Im2good4u | well wut if i put my hooknig back to :get/setscript |
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| 21:45.44 | cogwheel | that would work |
| 21:46.22 | ckknight | hey all |
| 21:46.57 | |FF|Im2good4u | like this ? ChatFrameEditBox:SetScript("OnTabPressed",function(this) NickCompleter_ChatEdit_OnTabPressed(this); ChatEdit_OnTabPressed_Hook(this); end) |
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| 21:48.33 | cogwheel | add the , ... like i showed in my second pastey and that should do it... |
| 21:51.16 | |FF|Im2good4u | oke cogwheel that worked the this is now "ChatFrameEditBox" again but i still cant use this.chattype :/ ? dp u got any oideas to fix that ? :p |
| 21:51.20 | jaxdahl | geeeeez |
| 21:51.27 | jaxdahl | i hate it when the EU forums get flooded with nerf posts |
| 21:51.30 | jaxdahl | makes bluetracker hard to read |
| 21:54.10 | foxlit | who or what are we nerfing today? |
| 21:54.11 | cogwheel | |FF|Im2good4u: is the .chatType on the EditBox not on the chat frame itself? (e.g. this.editBox.chatType) |
| 21:54.45 | Neuro_Medivh | is there an irc channel for the curse gaming guys? Their site is wonky |
| 21:55.03 | |FF|Im2good4u | i dunno but blizzard just uses this.chatType :p |
| 21:55.24 | cogwheel | Neuro_Medivh: [Cu]Werik is here |
| 21:56.39 | ckknight | Neuro_Medivh, yea, on quakenet. |
| 21:57.13 | Cide | hm |
| 21:57.14 | jaxdahl | cogwheel |
| 21:57.23 | jaxdahl | what is slouken's post in reply to? |
| 21:57.26 | Cide | which return from UnitFactionGroup() is locale-indepented? |
| 21:57.26 | jaxdahl | in your suggestions thread |
| 21:57.28 | Neuro_Medivh | ahh, nm then... well, in case they are reading this, their login seems to be screwed up, I can't log in to upload my mod |
| 21:57.34 | jaxdahl | forums are down, so i can't see what he was replying too |
| 21:57.51 | SB1-Work | Hey, curse finally got a semi-decent look. |
| 21:57.57 | cogwheel | |FF|Im2good4u: are you calling SetScript on the chat frame or the edit box? That's what I'm trying to say |
| 21:58.05 | ckknight | Cide, I thought there was only one return, English always |
| 21:58.08 | cogwheel | the .chatType is part of the editBox not the chat frame |
| 21:58.17 | Cide | ckknight: returns two values for me: "Horde", "Horde" |
| 21:58.25 | |FF|Im2good4u | on edit box ofc :p |
| 21:58.27 | |FF|Im2good4u | ChatEdit_OnTabPressed_Hook = ChatFrameEditBox:GetScript("OnTabPressed") |
| 21:58.27 | |FF|Im2good4u | ChatFrameEditBox:SetScript("OnTabPressed",function(this,...) NickCompleter_ChatEdit_OnTabPressed(this,...); ChatEdit_OnTabPressed_Hook(this,...); end) |
| 21:59.01 | cogwheel | jaxdahl: which post? He's posted a few times there... and it's not like i can see the forums either :P |
| 22:00.23 | |FF|Im2good4u | Cide: probely 2nd return like useally |
| 22:00.37 | Cide | "probably" isn't good enough though |
| 22:00.37 | jaxdahl | cogwheel, the latest one |
| 22:01.04 | jaxdahl | http://blue.cardplace.com/newcache/us/43425211.htm |
| 22:01.45 | cogwheel | jaxdahl: changing shift-click behavior on action buttons |
| 22:02.26 | cogwheel | requiring a drag to pick up the action so that you can use shift as a modifier |
| 22:02.29 | [Liquidor] | Hi ! |
| 22:02.32 | [Liquidor] | My mouse is without batteries so I'm forced to chit chat here the next couple of minutes |
| 22:02.33 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Osagasu (n=Kronus@208.104.133.240) |
| 22:02.57 | [Liquidor] | How's it hanging? |
| 22:03.10 | jaxdahl | you can ctrl+tab |
| 22:03.11 | [Liquidor] | Or... sup? or w/e |
| 22:03.19 | |FF|Im2good4u | anyway i gues no1 knows why my this.chatType wont work lol |
| 22:03.26 | [Liquidor] | Ye I meant on IRC as "here" |
| 22:03.35 | cogwheel | |FF|Im2good4u: /shrug ... are you sure you're testing it properly? maybe you have to start typing a whisper for it to be assigned a chatType of "WHISPER" |
| 22:03.40 | foxlit | Cide, did you perchance update the way CT_RaidAssist sends buff timers (RN)? |
| 22:03.51 | Cide | no, why? |
| 22:03.55 | |FF|Im2good4u | yeh im testing it whispers :P |
| 22:04.10 | |FF|Im2good4u | its used to work on WoW 1.12 but broke on 2.x lol |
| 22:04.33 | Thunder_Child | ckknight, you around? |
| 22:04.36 | |FF|Im2good4u | maybe this.chatType is always nil and the blizzard code is incorrect also |
| 22:04.44 | ckknight | I have never left you, child. |
| 22:04.46 | foxlit | I think there's a slight error with it |
| 22:05.09 | Thunder_Child | haha.....does Win Ace Updater pull from 2.x? |
| 22:05.27 | Mery | do a DevTools_Dump(this) and see if it is there or what it is in the line before the if |
| 22:05.53 | foxlit | Rather than sending your universal buff ID, it'll send the ID affected by user's preferences |
| 22:06.06 | |FF|Im2good4u | anyway: thank u all for your great assistment :p iv learend a few new things now but my bugs stays but well we cant fix everythig ofc :P |
| 22:06.17 | |FF|Im2good4u | im going offline now bye bye ! |
| 22:06.23 | Mery | bye |
| 22:06.43 | Cide | foxlit: don't have time to fix that right now |
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| 22:07.28 | foxlit | It's a two-line patch, I think I can dig up the lines for you; it's not a major concern, though. |
| 22:07.44 | Thunder_Child | nvm, yes it does |
| 22:08.03 | Cide | foxlit: actually |
| 22:08.07 | Cide | I just fixed it :) thanks |
| 22:08.37 | foxlit | No problem, means I can parse them reliably come 2.0 too :) |
| 22:09.07 | [Cu]Werik | Neuro_Medivh, do you get any errors at login? |
| 22:10.14 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Mike-N-Go (n=Mike@74.92.248.14) |
| 22:11.15 | Tain | Excerpts from the Japanese Wii user manual. So much funny in one place. http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/home-entertainment/the-japanese-wii-safety-manual-is-crazy-219119.php |
| 22:11.46 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Mike-N-Go_ (n=Mike@74.92.248.14) |
| 22:12.19 | Mike-N-Go_ | Is factoring of any value? |
| 22:14.15 | Mery | wow that's some funny pics :D |
| 22:15.37 | foxlit | Wonder why there's an inclanation to use pictograms there |
| 22:16.14 | Neuro_Medivh | [Cu]Werik: Yes, the error is "Password and Username do not match". I just registered today, and have tried resetting the password twice now |
| 22:16.42 | jaxdahl | woot, looks like someone has ported CT_RT modded over to 2.0 |
| 22:16.55 | [Cu]Werik | I see |
| 22:17.47 | Inside | Do not imitate that clip of the "smoking woman" with your Wii. oh god.. bad image, bad image ;_________; |
| 22:18.19 | Neuro_Medivh | Inside, check out www.wiihaveaproblem.com for real funny pics |
| 22:19.05 | Inside | I think the smoking woman quip is about that woman who could smoke using her vagina. |
| 22:19.15 | jaxdahl | the blu-ray one is hilarious |
| 22:20.13 | jaxdahl | hrm |
| 22:20.26 | jaxdahl | the titan panel on wowi seems to still have a toc of 11200 |
| 22:20.59 | [Cu]Werik | Caeryn, it should be done |
| 22:22.04 | ckknight | jaxdahl, you still use Titan |
| 22:22.08 | jaxdahl | no |
| 22:22.12 | ckknight | oh, okay then |
| 22:22.14 | ckknight | :-P |
| 22:22.21 | jaxdahl | i'm grabbing mods for my guildies |
| 22:22.29 | ckknight | (give em FuBar) |
| 22:22.34 | jaxdahl | i know |
| 22:22.37 | jaxdahl | this is what the guildie said |
| 22:22.51 | jaxdahl | 'titan panel (don't like fubar ok) ' |
| 22:23.03 | ckknight | I want to know why |
| 22:23.05 | ckknight | so it could be fixed. |
| 22:23.06 | Inside | that is a lot of broken screens.. |
| 22:23.14 | jaxdahl | i dunno |
| 22:24.05 | [Cu]Werik | Neuro_Medivh, did you try with all lowercase? |
| 22:24.24 | Tain | Sometimes you just have to decide for them, jaxdahl. Its for their own good. |
| 22:26.03 | jaxdahl | yea |
| 22:26.11 | jaxdahl | i'm shocked that some of them are still using really old stuff |
| 22:26.13 | jaxdahl | like cosmos |
| 22:26.23 | Gryphen | ... |
| 22:27.16 | foxlit | I guess the logic there is "why replace something that didn't break?" |
| 22:27.55 | Tain | Now now, don't lambaste Cosmos for the wrong reasons. |
| 22:27.58 | cogwheel | jaxdahl: cosmos is a bad example |
| 22:27.59 | Gryphen | cosmos is old...but up to date |
| 22:28.22 | Tain | Cosmos is, dare I say, venerable? |
| 22:28.42 | jaxdahl | hmm.. Nurfed UI bundles a bunch of other stuff |
| 22:28.46 | cogwheel | As a suite, it's been around a long time. Most of the components are still quite valuable |
| 22:28.55 | jaxdahl | Clique, MobHealth, sct, TinyTip, Nurfed, Nurfed_Options |
| 22:29.00 | jaxdahl | (this is the beta UI) |
| 22:29.40 | Tain | Friends don't let friends use UI compilations. |
| 22:30.02 | jaxdahl | would it still work if i only include Nurfed and Nurfed_Options? |
| 22:30.17 | Neuro_Medivh | Cosmos was THE mod back in beta |
| 22:30.34 | jaxdahl | made thottbot what it was. |
| 22:30.39 | Neuro_Medivh | yep |
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| 22:30.56 | jaxdahl | thott is overshadowed by the size and breadth of allakhazam's DB though |
| 22:31.02 | Tain | The exe that deleted a million mods. |
| 22:31.12 | Cide | R.I.P, mods |
| 22:31.22 | Gryphen | if checked an option to do so |
| 22:31.26 | Cairenn|afk | Kirkburn: pong |
| 22:31.36 | Neuro_Medivh | I don't personally care for Allakhazam's |
| 22:31.41 | jaxdahl | thott has 12 KT kills, allakhazam 239 KT kills |
| 22:31.41 | Gryphen | cant spell alla or wait for it to load |
| 22:31.51 | Tain | A grossly mislabeled option. |
| 22:31.54 | Josh_Borke | Cairenn|afk: ping! |
| 22:31.58 | foxlit | thott's search URL is significantly better :) |
| 22:32.01 | Tain | haha I don't know how many times I've had to do searches to find the right spelling of alla |
| 22:32.05 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Maldivia (i=the_real@85.24.45.230) |
| 22:32.12 | foxlit | thottbot.com/?s=stuff vs wow.allakhazam.com/something/i/don't/remember/ |
| 22:32.14 | jaxdahl | allakhazam is best for finding new stuff |
| 22:32.25 | jaxdahl | thott, for recipes and quests |
| 22:32.41 | Tain | I really just like that alla stores items by their in-game ID. |
| 22:32.45 | nevcairiel | yeah recipes suck on alla |
| 22:32.47 | Gryphen | i find what i look for on thott |
| 22:33.02 | Gryphen | i dont think joe blow cares about the item id, only people who actually know what it is |
| 22:33.05 | Tain | I look up skills, spells, recipes, on thott. |
| 22:33.07 | Caeryn | Cairenn! |
| 22:33.15 | Hatsuki | imo alla has better S/N |
| 22:33.17 | Caeryn | I still haven't gotten access to DHUD and the patch's tomorrow |
| 22:33.23 | Tain | I don't care what Joe Blow likes, Gryphen. I said *I* like it. |
| 22:33.34 | Gryphen | i didnt say what you liked |
| 22:33.43 | Gryphen | i dont care what you like...for that matter |
| 22:33.49 | Caeryn | I like wowhead personally! |
| 22:33.50 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Cairenn|afk (n=Cairenn@CPE001217452e29-CM014500004571.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 22:33.51 | cogwheel | XD |
| 22:34.01 | Tain | That reminds me of a story.. |
| 22:34.04 | foxlit | time to write a metadatabase |
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| 22:34.11 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o Cairenn|afk] by ChanServ |
| 22:34.27 | Cairenn|afk | whoever just beeped me, say again |
| 22:34.33 | Tain | Poor squeaky mouse! |
| 22:34.37 | Caeryn | Cairenn beep |
| 22:34.37 | Neuro_Medivh | Hi Cairenn! |
| 22:34.40 | Fisker | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270063800585 <-i hate ebay scammers, i didn't want a ps3, the picture is misleading! |
| 22:34.42 | Josh_Borke | Cairenn|afk: ping! |
| 22:34.47 | Caeryn | beep beep Cairenn beep beep |
| 22:35.03 | Tain | Fisker there's PS3s on the shelf of 2 stores near me. No one wants to buy them. |
| 22:35.11 | jaxdahl | tain, where |
| 22:35.22 | Caeryn | Was me, I havent' gotten access to DHUD yet and patch's tomorrow |
| 22:35.25 | Fisker | hehe |
| 22:35.52 | Tain | An Electronics Boutique had 2, for at least a couple of days. And a Gamestop had 1 they offered me when I called about a Wii. |
| 22:35.54 | Cairenn | Kirkburn: what can I do you for? |
| 22:35.54 | Josh_Borke | Cairenn: question about the wowi page. I want to go ahead and make a post so people know what's going on with the new layout. I still have not been able to find the configuration to make the change permanent |
| 22:36.02 | Cairenn | errr, Josh_Borke ... sigh |
| 22:36.03 | Tain | In Massachusettes. |
| 22:36.18 | Josh_Borke | Cairenn: i was going to make it as a pre-emptive strike to anyone asking :-D |
| 22:36.34 | Cairenn | very bottom of the site, left hand side, drop down box |
| 22:37.38 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn, are all of the links in the favorites section that point to Beta 2.0 mods going to be broken? |
| 22:38.04 | Cairenn | Caeryn: transferred, you now have ownership |
| 22:38.27 | Cairenn | Thunder_Child: why would they? category will remain for a couple weeks yet |
| 22:38.33 | Caeryn | thanks |
| 22:38.49 | Maldivia | hmm, anyone know if there's a test-raid on the EU beta servers? |
| 22:38.56 | Thunder_Child | ok, but in the end it will require re working them? |
| 22:39.13 | Cairenn | depends |
| 22:39.43 | Cairenn | if all *we* do is move it to a different category (ie there wasn't previously a live version on the site) then fav will transfer over |
| 22:40.03 | Cairenn | if there is a live version though, and the author has us deleting the beta version, then yeah, obviously |
| 22:40.10 | Caeryn | buahahahaa now to pee all over Drathal's HUD and leave my mark |
| 22:40.11 | Thunder_Child | ok, thanks |
| 22:40.22 | Caeryn | a bit like puppies |
| 22:42.13 | Cairenn | Josh_Borke: *hug* thanks luv |
| 22:42.31 | Cairenn | appreciate it when you guys pitch in to help out :) |
| 22:42.38 | jaxdahl | clique hasn't been updated in over a month? |
| 22:42.48 | cladhaire | why would it need to be updated? |
| 22:42.52 | cladhaire | adn that's not true. |
| 22:42.57 | cladhaire | clique on live hasn't been updated |
| 22:43.00 | cladhaire | because it works perfectly |
| 22:43.04 | Josh_Borke | Cairenn: <3 feel free to edit and sticky if you'd like |
| 22:43.06 | cladhaire | clique has been in active development since alpha |
| 22:43.06 | jaxdahl | just checking |
| 22:43.07 | cladhaire | O.o |
| 22:43.15 | jaxdahl | i'm getting updated versions of addons for guildies |
| 22:43.44 | jaxdahl | so r15563 would work on 2.0 with just a toc change? |
| 22:43.51 | cladhaire | no |
| 22:43.53 | cladhaire | not in the least |
| 22:43.59 | cladhaire | get the beta version |
| 22:44.03 | cladhaire | or wait until tomorrow |
| 22:44.17 | jaxdahl | is there a special beta version dir on wowace? |
| 22:44.21 | cladhaire | no |
| 22:44.24 | cladhaire | its not an ace addon |
| 22:44.25 | cladhaire | use wowi |
| 22:44.39 | jaxdahl | why is Clique on wowace.com/files then? |
| 22:44.45 | cladhaire | because i haven't deleted it yet. |
| 22:45.57 | cladhaire | it will be deleted this evening. |
| 22:46.35 | jaxdahl | what about perfectraid? |
| 22:46.39 | cladhaire | ? |
| 22:46.42 | cladhaire | what about it |
| 22:47.54 | Josh_Borke | cladhaire: question about event bucketing. is there a point where you can say you should be using it? |
| 22:47.55 | cladhaire | that won't be converted off Ace in time for the patch, but again, it will be released on WoWI this evening. |
| 22:48.15 | cladhaire | Josh_Borke: It has very limited use, and that depends on how heavy your processing functions are. |
| 22:48.31 | cladhaire | Josh_Borke: But its very nice for things like BAG_UPDATE, etc. |
| 22:49.22 | Josh_Borke | i was considering using it to keep track of UNIT_HEALTH/UNIT_MAX_HEALTH |
| 22:49.47 | cladhaire | how many units? |
| 22:49.56 | Josh_Borke | as many as would be in a raid |
| 22:50.42 | cladhaire | then no, there's no practical use |
| 22:50.48 | cladhaire | better to make it work, then optimize if you need to =) |
| 22:50.51 | cladhaire | i don't bucket in praid |
| 22:52.32 | Josh_Borke | i don't expect i would have any troubles with it though (bucketing) that is |
| 22:52.50 | cladhaire | *nod* |
| 22:52.54 | cladhaire | but you don't gain too much from it |
| 22:53.04 | cladhaire | unless you're updating hundreds of widgets on each even update |
| 22:53.08 | cladhaire | which i suspect you aren't. |
| 22:57.01 | Josh_Borke | cladhaire: hrm. alright :-) |
| 23:04.30 | jaxdahl | man |
| 23:04.37 | jaxdahl | curse needs to go back to their old site layout |
| 23:05.10 | jaxdahl | addons don't seem to be showing official website links that they were before.. such as sw_stats |
| 23:06.45 | jaxdahl | 'last update' isn't working correctly either for their favorites |
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| 23:09.38 | Tuller | you know, for some reason I think I like the light layout better than the normal one :) |
| 23:10.16 | Josh_Borke | recommendations on a command line linux bittorrent client? |
| 23:11.12 | jaxdahl | probably python versions. |
| 23:11.16 | jaxdahl | even the official one. |
| 23:11.28 | Thunder_Child | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_BitTorrent_software |
| 23:11.35 | Josh_Borke | blech. i'd like something that supported multiple torrents without using multiple bash sessions- |
| 23:11.54 | Josh_Borke | thanks |
| 23:12.03 | Thunder_Child | np, i found it quite handy |
| 23:12.30 | jaxdahl | Josh_Borke, do you know how to use screen? |
| 23:12.44 | Josh_Borke | yea, but i dunno if it is installed on my server |
| 23:12.51 | jaxdahl | or even & |
| 23:12.55 | Josh_Borke | yes, yes i do :-) |
| 23:12.58 | jaxdahl | "_ |
| 23:12.59 | jaxdahl | :) |
| 23:14.00 | pastamancer | Josh_Borke: btlaunchmanycurses.py |
| 23:17.56 | Josh_Borke | friggin Bittorrent needs lots of stuff |
| 23:18.18 | jaxdahl | and yet the protocol is so simple at first glance |
| 23:26.31 | Garoun|Loupana | is the 40 debuff slots going in tomorrow? |
| 23:26.43 | cladhaire | yes afaik |
| 23:26.49 | jaxdahl | yes. |
| 23:27.01 | Garoun|Loupana | k, I'd seen yes/no/maybe/pigs are flying :P |
| 23:27.09 | jaxdahl | whether the interface is showing it or not, i do not know |
| 23:27.22 | Garoun|Loupana | I think that's where the confusion was |
| 23:27.29 | cladhaire | it isn't. |
| 23:27.44 | Garoun|Loupana | I guess I could always look at the wdn compares also :P |
| 23:27.46 | jaxdahl | and it's not possible to make an addon that shows them all? |
| 23:28.11 | cladhaire | it's certinaly possible. |
| 23:28.30 | jaxdahl | i thought at one time slouken said that info was not available to the client |
| 23:28.49 | Garoun|Loupana | I think he probably meant you couldn't use the info to make decisions |
| 23:29.15 | Garoun|Loupana | and that debuff checking routine has been trimmed a bit last I saw |
| 23:30.25 | jaxdahl | i'd like an addon that shows only debuffs that paladins put up |
| 23:33.21 | cladhaire | that's trivial |
| 23:33.28 | cladhaire | none of that goes away |
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| 23:36.10 | jaxdahl | a couple of my guildies swapped characters and we're not sure how to deal with their points |
| 23:42.09 | Kaso | transfer the points with the charater |
| 23:42.16 | jaxdahl | oh, one of the guildies quit too |
| 23:42.23 | Kaso | unless one charater is a tank or something that has points aritfically high |
| 23:42.30 | Tain | ahaahaha hahah! http://health.yahoo.com/experts/menlovesex/2/why-men-cheat |
| 23:42.32 | jaxdahl | they swapped, and 1 quit raiding |
| 23:42.41 | Tain | Why men cheat? Number one reason... they're biologically required to! |
| 23:42.49 | Caeryn | jaxdahl: you can configure that with the default CTRaid settings |
| 23:44.22 | jaxdahl | PTR isn't working, bah |
| 23:44.42 | jaxdahl | Caeryn, i don't use ctra raid frames |
| 23:44.59 | jaxdahl | perl classic unit frames with perfectraid raid frames |
| 23:46.49 | Caeryn | jaxdahl: I believe your statement was "i'd like an addon that shows only debuffs that paladins put up" and my response was "try this addon" and your reply was "i don't use that addon" |
| 23:47.00 | Caeryn | my face is pounding the table atm |
| 23:47.01 | Caeryn | brb |
| 23:47.40 | jaxdahl | Caeryn, CTRA has unit frames? |
| 23:47.49 | ckknight | women cheat too. |
| 23:48.25 | Tain | That article is so awesome. So obviously written by a guy who wants to excuse his wandering wang. |
| 23:49.06 | ckknight | hehe, yea. |
| 23:49.45 | jaxdahl | looks like PCUF for 2.0 still has numbuffs and numdebuffs at 16 |
| 23:49.47 | WrK`off | Do you consider your addons open source? |
| 23:51.08 | jaxdahl | open source to me means the source code can be examined |
| 23:51.20 | jaxdahl | that is aside from copyrights, restrictions on distribution, etc |
| 23:53.16 | Tain | Free as in speech, and as in beer! |
| 23:53.43 | ckknight | go beer! |
| 23:56.06 | jaxdahl | ckknight |
| 23:56.07 | jaxdahl | 'I happen to like the background image that titan panel has. Having small yellow text on top of nothing makes it hard to read. And the random warbly black semi transparent default texture with no border on it just looks ugly. ' |
| 23:56.31 | cladhaire | i make beer |
| 23:56.33 | cladhaire | and drink it for free |
| 23:56.53 | ckknight | jaxdahl, FuTextures has a Titan texture. |
| 23:57.16 | Neuro_Medivh | nothing is free |
| 23:57.36 | Tain | It isn't free! YOu have to pay for the ingredients. |
| 23:57.48 | cladhaire | i don't |
| 23:57.49 | Tain | I haven't brewed in a few years. |
| 23:57.52 | cladhaire | muwahaha =) |
| 23:57.58 | Tain | You're a hops whore! |
| 23:58.05 | cladhaire | indeed |
| 23:58.30 | Tain | When I moved from California I left my brewstuff behind, I couldn't move everything and had to throw a lot out. |
| 23:58.58 | Neuro_Medivh | It's probably gone now from when California sank into the sea during that big earthquake |
| 23:59.17 | Tain | I wish. |
| 23:59.24 | Neuro_Medivh | sigh, me too |
| 23:59.30 | Tain | Then I could get that beachfront property in Nevada. |
| 23:59.47 | Miravlix | 2.0 in a few hours, the nightmare begins |
