| 00:00.23 | Guillotine | I suppose I should dig out my old spoofing addon and edit it to work with TBC item links to do some more testing |
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| 00:00.55 | Guillotine | though my favorite part was making all my chat appear blue in general >.> |
| 00:02.31 | thr | what is the regexp to just extract the itemCode from a link then? ;> |
| 00:02.43 | Kaso | scroll up |
| 00:02.46 | thr | yes i could write it myself but somone is bound to have it here |
| 00:02.50 | Kaso | oh |
| 00:02.52 | thr | well, just the itemCode, not the whole link. |
| 00:02.59 | Maldivia | Hitem:(%d+): |
| 00:03.04 | thr | thnx |
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| 00:07.36 | ckknight | hey all |
| 00:08.10 | Maldivia | ola |
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| 00:14.36 | Kaso | primal nether should be BOE imo, they go to waste so often |
| 00:15.13 | Kirkburn | What is it? |
| 00:16.17 | Kirkburn | heh ... "I was going to be a psychiatrist, but I was afreud!" |
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| 00:25.58 | Maldivia | Kaso: yeah, considering so many recipees require it, is fucked that it's BoE |
| 00:26.09 | Maldivia | ehh, that it's not |
| 00:27.23 | Kaso | mm |
| 00:27.42 | Kaso | just took one cos noone wanted it, maybe theyll add somthing for alch that uses it |
| 00:30.52 | Maldivia | you alch herb ? |
| 00:31.58 | Kaso | isnt everyone ? |
| 00:32.29 | Maldivia | naah |
| 00:33.20 | Maldivia | I really really hope they drop a lot on raid instances |
| 00:41.49 | Kaso | does anyone but me have a bug on beta where if the first item you see on ItemRefTooltip is a socketed ,then all lines after the sockets appear incorrectly alined |
| 00:43.59 | Kirkburn | Time for bed, and I shall leave you with this parting shot: "I was going to be a doctor, but I didn't have the patience!" |
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| 00:48.13 | Maldivia | Kaso; yep, seeing the same thing |
| 00:49.12 | Kaso | hokay, was hoping it wasnt part of my fiddling that was causing it :> |
| 00:49.16 | Maldivia | happens too all tooltips, not just itemref |
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| 00:51.50 | Kaso | i also notice sometimes the first time and the second time the text wraps differently |
| 00:52.17 | Kaso | so onetime it'll wrap at up to, another healing |
| 00:52.56 | Guillotine | dangit, I lost my item link spoofer addon :/ Guess I'll just have to do this all by hand |
| 00:53.16 | Kaso | like my addon idea btw ? : http://kasoo.net/img/imgs/ver1.png |
| 00:54.27 | zenzelezz | yours on the left? |
| 00:54.36 | Kaso | on the right.. |
| 00:54.48 | Kaso | i collects up all the bonuses from Gems and shows them neatly |
| 00:54.52 | Maldivia | left is original, right is with the gem parsed, and added to the existing stats |
| 00:54.59 | Maldivia | from what I can tell |
| 00:55.05 | Kaso | mhm |
| 00:55.14 | Kaso | gems just look so untidy to me :> |
| 00:55.27 | Maldivia | they do, but I think I'll prefer the gem way :) |
| 00:55.37 | zenzelezz | I agree |
| 00:55.40 | Maldivia | Does it interfere with the socketing UI? |
| 00:55.56 | Kaso | no, im gonna leave that alone |
| 00:56.00 | Kaso | might get confusing i think |
| 00:57.09 | Kaso | btw anyone know if Whitetooth of http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5819-Rating_Buster.html hangs around on irc? i wouldnt mind borrowing his code to convert to percentages |
| 00:57.23 | zenzelezz | yours is nice, but I think I'd end up wondering wht they had no gems on the items |
| 00:57.44 | Maldivia | Kaso: http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Formulas:Combat_Ratings_System |
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| 00:57.51 | ckknight | maybe if it said 25 (+4 [PURPLE GEM]) |
| 00:58.24 | Kaso | i dont understand. |
| 00:58.24 | zenzelezz | or just something like "29 (Gem: 4)" |
| 00:58.32 | Kaso | In the Equip: line? |
| 00:58.34 | Kaso | oh |
| 00:58.35 | Kaso | i see |
| 00:58.48 | ckknight | that'd work as well, zenzelezz |
| 00:59.02 | Kaso | hmm, perhaps, i dont know, to me thats still "untidy" though i might put in an opition for that |
| 00:59.21 | zenzelezz | it's your addon, do it however you like :) |
| 00:59.32 | ckknight | lets you know if you have gems, though... |
| 00:59.36 | zenzelezz | I'm just easily fooled if it's not obvious... warrior intellect *shrugs* |
| 01:00.21 | Maldivia | Kaso: you have the formula, makes it pretty easy to convert to percentages |
| 01:00.58 | Guillotine | who was it that was telling me about the new thing to do with item links in TBC? |
| 01:01.00 | Kaso | is that fomula stored in the default UI? |
| 01:01.21 | ckknight | Guillotine, new thing to do? |
| 01:01.36 | Maldivia | <-- |
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| 01:01.46 | Guillotine | what exactly is it supposed to do? no change for me |
| 01:01.56 | Maldivia | find an item with a TBC suffix |
| 01:02.03 | Guillotine | ahh, I see what you mean |
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| 01:03.05 | Guillotine | like the "of the surgeon" stuff? |
| 01:03.29 | Maldivia | Old style suffix: posivite suffix value |
| 01:03.35 | Maldivia | new style suffix: negative suffix value |
| 01:03.40 | Guillotine | ahhh |
| 01:03.47 | Guillotine | so... how does changing it affect anything? |
| 01:03.58 | Guillotine | just change the name? |
| 01:04.22 | Maldivia | lets just say, I got a pair of shoulders that added 50000 spirit |
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| 01:04.29 | Seracht | anyone knwo where I can downlaod the gatherer mega database from |
| 01:07.07 | Maldivia | tried googling for gatherer cache or similar? |
| 01:07.44 | Garoun|Loupana | go go Horde |
| 01:07.46 | MentalPower | google is your friend |
| 01:07.53 | Garoun|Loupana | Drek'Thar currently the most dangerous NPC in the game :P |
| 01:08.13 | Maldivia | Kaso: You can find the rating->% formula here: http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Formulas:Combat_Ratings_System |
| 01:08.22 | Seracht | lol mp |
| 01:10.34 | Maldivia | Kaso: and no, the formula isn't stored in the client. The client stores the actual values for every rating for every level |
| 01:13.09 | Guillotine | Maldivia: how would you get 50000 spirit? I'm getting no values after -57 |
| 01:13.39 | Guillotine | or past -5 in the other direction |
| 01:14.28 | Maldivia | try ....:0:0:-57:11919784 |
| 01:14.56 | Guillotine | I'm getting -57 as "of the shadow" |
| 01:15.25 | Guillotine | oh, wow |
| 01:15.28 | Guillotine | thats... amazing |
| 01:15.54 | Ktron | The closed beta takes up like 7gb installed, right? |
| 01:15.57 | Ktron | For everyone? |
| 01:16.02 | Thunder_Child | something like that |
| 01:16.04 | Maldivia | yeah |
| 01:16.07 | Guillotine | can't link that without being d/c though :( |
| 01:16.11 | Ktron | Alright, thanks |
| 01:16.21 | Thunder_Child | +- the patch size |
| 01:16.34 | Thunder_Child | patch(s)* |
| 01:16.35 | Maldivia | 7.72gb, 8180 files |
| 01:17.18 | Ktron | and you have to have it installed separately, right? |
| 01:17.24 | Maldivia | yes |
| 01:17.30 | Thunder_Child | it's done automaticly |
| 01:17.32 | Ktron | Just wanted to make sure |
| 01:17.48 | Ktron | Yeah, I've got it installed, I've a friend whose crunched on disk space |
| 01:17.54 | Guillotine | Maldivia: thats cool, but theres nothing you can actually link to other people possible with TBC, is there? |
| 01:17.55 | Maldivia | make sure you have at least a few extra GB, otherwise it cant patch |
| 01:18.02 | Thunder_Child | Malivil, i have 6.93 if you wipe out the patches it gets smaller |
| 01:18.14 | Maldivia | Guillotine: you can link that item just fine |
| 01:18.22 | Maldivia | Guillotine: it the name is correct |
| 01:18.26 | Guillotine | ahh |
| 01:19.06 | Guillotine | w00t, thats awesome :D |
| 01:19.16 | Guillotine | you've /bugged it I assume? |
| 01:19.35 | Maldivia | can't really be bugged, since it's a "design flaw" |
| 01:19.53 | Guillotine | so was the old spoofing method, but they fixed that |
| 01:20.44 | Drundia | all my spoofing method was putting some strange suffixes into names... |
| 01:21.13 | Drundia | occasionally adding random stats to epixxx |
| 01:21.15 | Guillotine | there was lots of stuff you could do |
| 01:21.28 | Drundia | hack wdb? |
| 01:21.33 | Guillotine | nah, all with addons |
| 01:21.37 | Guillotine | me and kremonte had one we played with |
| 01:21.49 | Maldivia | Thunderfury, Blessed blade of the Windfury of the Monkey... *yawn* |
| 01:21.49 | Guillotine | for example, you could put the text in with ascii chinese characters then add stuff after |
| 01:21.58 | Guillotine | then add in english after |
| 01:22.01 | Guillotine | and it would only show the english |
| 01:22.07 | Guillotine | so you could have stuff like [Shaman on a Stick] |
| 01:22.17 | Guillotine | or [Guillotine, Blessed Blade of the Windfury] |
| 01:22.58 | Drundia | i think i somehow missed that possibility |
| 01:23.13 | Guillotine | I think only kremonte and I had that figured out |
| 01:23.18 | Maldivia | I think the game would show the chinese chars, if you fed it a font that actually contained them |
| 01:23.19 | Guillotine | he actually figured that one out |
| 01:23.25 | Guillotine | Maldivia: nope, it didn't |
| 01:23.37 | Guillotine | I mean, I'm sure you could add in a font that did |
| 01:23.40 | Guillotine | but the default one doesn't |
| 01:23.54 | Guillotine | we just got the chinese names for items off of wowguru then converted it into ascii and put it into the addon |
| 01:23.55 | Maldivia | yeah, I know the default one doesn't, it shows nothing |
| 01:24.09 | Maldivia | which is fun, when chinese farmers are advertising for [] [] [] [] items |
| 01:24.22 | Kaso | Maldivia going back to what you said eariler, theres a huge table with level -> % per raiting mappings? |
| 01:24.32 | Maldivia | yes |
| 01:24.37 | Kaso | thats silly |
| 01:24.55 | Drundia | where can i see that huge table? |
| 01:24.56 | Maldivia | 32 tables, each containing level values from 1 to 100 |
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| 01:25.59 | Drundia | but what did they change in items? u cant add silly suffixes any more? |
| 01:26.03 | Maldivia | and then a table for each class, crit base, crit, spell crit base, spell crit, hp regen, mp regen and more |
| 01:26.36 | Maldivia | again, each of them listing values from level 1 to 100, for each class |
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| 01:29.23 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o Iriel] by ChanServ |
| 01:29.26 | Maldivia | evening Iriel |
| 01:29.36 | Iriel | Evening! |
| 01:30.46 | Kaso | shoudnt that be mornign |
| 01:31.00 | sylvanaar | lol yeah |
| 01:31.12 | Drundia | 3:31 isnt morning yet |
| 01:31.22 | Kaso | its always morning! |
| 01:31.24 | sylvanaar | its always morning on irc |
| 01:31.38 | Drundia | no, it's morning only when i wake up or login |
| 01:31.44 | Osagasu | No Key in my mail yet. :< |
| 01:31.52 | sylvanaar | heh |
| 01:32.02 | ckknight | ~ugt |
| 01:32.10 | purl | well, ugt is Universial Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
| 01:32.31 | Drundia | zomgz |
| 01:32.44 | Mike-N-Go | Anyone find a addon that logs the chat channel's text? |
| 01:33.01 | Drundia | no, but i think i could make one in a few minutes. hehehe. |
| 01:33.03 | Maldivia | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:33.34 | Drundia | nah, it logs everything |
| 01:33.48 | Drundia | why did they remove ability to log chat frame? |
| 01:34.32 | Mike-N-Go | Drundia, please do. |
| 01:34.42 | Mike-N-Go | Sure |
| 01:34.51 | Mike-N-Go | Mostly only whispers |
| 01:35.17 | Drundia | isnt telltrack helping with tracking whispers? |
| 01:37.34 | Osagasu | Hmm... Game stats page |
| 01:37.37 | Osagasu | cool beans |
| 01:37.37 | Mike-N-Go | Wow, /chatlog 9.9 |
| 01:38.03 | Drundia | what is that 9.9? |
| 01:39.13 | Mike-N-Go | Sarcastic face. |
| 01:39.30 | Mike-N-Go | Eyes are looking up to the right. |
| 01:41.25 | Drundia | well, i think chatlog can be helpdul for that case as well. but dont forget to delete or clean log file now and then |
| 01:41.54 | Mike-N-Go | How do you control what channels it records? |
| 01:42.40 | Drundia | i think it just records all chat |
| 01:43.31 | Osagasu | You can parse it after the fact, but it records everything |
| 01:52.20 | MentalPower | I'm sure theres an addon to control what gets logged |
| 01:52.37 | MentalPower | since you *can* do it, its just a bit cumbersome |
| 01:53.14 | MentalPower | the logging happens after the events for that line are fired, so if you disable logging on that event, that event won't get logged |
| 01:57.19 | Drundia | i'm sure it's good for perfomance |
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| 02:02.41 | Nom- | Has anyone seen an official release date regarding 2.0 ? |
| 02:03.00 | Iriel | We dont usually get them until the day before |
| 02:03.10 | Cairenn | if then |
| 02:03.26 | ckknight | we're theorizing 2 weeks |
| 02:03.26 | Thunder_Child | high chance of 12th |
| 02:03.30 | ckknight | but who's to say |
| 02:03.41 | Nom- | I've been seeing 12/13 December being thrown around |
| 02:03.42 | Cairenn | that's everyone's best guess at this point |
| 02:03.51 | Nom- | Just wondering if it's "official" |
| 02:03.55 | Cairenn | nope |
| 02:04.00 | Thunder_Child | asclose as we are going to get |
| 02:04.06 | ckknight | nothing's official, in case they want to change their minds. |
| 02:04.24 | Cairenn | as soon as I know, I tell this channel |
| 02:04.36 | ckknight | I mean, they wouldn't want to be caught saying something's going to come out in November and then releasing it in January |
| 02:04.43 | Cairenn | but I've not heard anything from any of my little birdies as of yet |
| 02:04.56 | Nom- | Can't wait for this patch lol |
| 02:05.02 | ckknight | when did 1.12 come out, btw? |
| 02:05.03 | Nom- | Looking forward to actually being able to find groups |
| 02:05.07 | Cairenn | I can ... *cry* |
| 02:05.11 | Thunder_Child | ck they did it with BC |
| 02:05.12 | Nom- | And getting my rank 14 gear :D |
| 02:05.32 | Nom- | Although, if i'm not mistaken, the rank mounts now require riding 150 :( |
| 02:05.53 | ckknight | Thunder_Child, satire. |
| 02:06.34 | Cairenn | ckknight: 9/26 for 1.12.1, 8/22 for 1.12.0 |
| 02:06.35 | Guillotine | w00t! finally got TellTrack working with TasteTheNaimbow :D |
| 02:07.13 | ckknight | been a while. |
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| 02:07.37 | Cairenn | ckknight: can always check wowi news forum for release dates, or wdn |
| 02:08.05 | JoshBork1 | Iriel: (belated) grats on the marriage |
| 02:08.08 | ckknight | yea, but I was expecting you to be a good little worker bee and tell me without doing very much. |
| 02:08.15 | Crispix_ | yay! |
| 02:08.21 | Crispix_ | Logitech g15 keyboard |
| 02:08.22 | Crispix_ | :D |
| 02:08.30 | ckknight | :-P |
| 02:08.35 | ckknight | actually, not you specifically |
| 02:09.45 | Nom- | Those arenas look pretty fun too |
| 02:09.53 | Nom- | although the 5v5 were a bit crap last night |
| 02:10.00 | Nom- | Joined and it's 5 Paladins both times lol |
| 02:10.21 | Guillotine | oomkin stink at arenas :( |
| 02:10.30 | Guillotine | but I'm liking feral |
| 02:10.43 | Nom- | I was doing really well in the arena |
| 02:10.46 | Nom- | went a full fire build |
| 02:10.56 | Nom- | until i got to the pally vs random wars |
| 02:11.03 | Nom- | full teams of paladins in AT LEAST T1 |
| 02:11.26 | Nom- | They were nasty...couldn't take them down |
| 02:11.53 | Nom- | I think the most successful one I had was a 4v5 -- we had a shaman, hunter, mage and druid |
| 02:11.58 | Nom- | and i think we killed one paladin |
| 02:12.35 | Nom- | They knew what they were doing tho...they just picked a target, and kept them stunlocked until they died |
| 02:12.47 | Thunder_Child | i just want to see someone go up against a group of 5 locks |
| 02:12.53 | Nom- | Which for my (squishy mage) wasn't long |
| 02:13.14 | Nom- | Wouldn't be much of a fight |
| 02:13.29 | Nom- | dots + i win button |
| 02:13.48 | Thunder_Child | hmm...5 locks against 5 shaow priests |
| 02:14.27 | Kaso | Are there any items with both Healing and Spell damage on? |
| 02:14.49 | Kaso | scrap that, aitesh :> |
| 02:15.21 | Thunder_Child | feeling slow today Kaso? |
| 02:15.28 | Nom- | err |
| 02:15.34 | Kaso | ha |
| 02:15.40 | Nom- | increases magical and healing effects by up to X |
| 02:15.48 | Nom- | I mean, only every item i wear on my mage has that |
| 02:15.49 | Nom- | lo |
| 02:15.51 | Nom- | lol |
| 02:16.29 | Nom- | Full rank 14 gear I beleive my spell damage goes up to 350+ |
| 02:16.36 | Nom- | That's going to be so sweet |
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| 02:17.02 | Kaso | i meant, items which have Two equips, one with damage/healing one with just healing |
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| 02:17.39 | Thunder_Child | mm..i want to say i have seen that once..but i cant remebr |
| 02:17.46 | Nom- | I've seen some greens (rare ones) which have a few points in healing and damage and then a white-stat healing spells +x |
| 02:18.13 | Thunder_Child | the abyssal stuff? |
| 02:18.29 | Nom- | i think that has it too |
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| 02:18.54 | DrDre | Patch date set: dec 5th next week posted by drysc on WoW US Forums |
| 02:19.11 | Nom- | ORLY?? |
| 02:19.13 | Thunder_Child | meh nope, just chaked not in abyssal stuff |
| 02:19.35 | ckknight | ~ORLY |
| 02:19.40 | purl | YARLY |
| 02:19.54 | ckknight | ~NOWAI |
| 02:20.03 | Nom- | libcrypt-passwdmd5-perl |
| 02:20.04 | Nom- | oops |
| 02:20.08 | Nom- | Server is busy, please try again |
| 02:20.13 | ckknight | hrm, I thought purl had a nowai |
| 02:20.28 | ckknight | purl, NOWAI is <reply>SRSLY. |
| 02:20.29 | purl | ckknight: okay |
| 02:21.47 | DrDre | ~NOWAI |
| 02:21.49 | purl | SRSLY. |
| 02:24.21 | DrDre | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=51145118&sid=1 |
| 02:25.36 | Thunder_Child | Yay, server busy |
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| 03:11.34 | Thunder_Child | is this true with the coming patch "You can still purchase the BG rep rewards but now it will require tokens as well as honor (meaing your rep doesn't matter). "? |
| 03:12.27 | Malivil | No, tokens are in addition to honor i think |
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| 03:14.38 | Corrodias | "it will require tokens as well as honor" doesn't sound like disagreement there |
| 03:15.38 | Thunder_Child | so that is a correct statment? |
| 03:15.41 | cladhaire | reputation doesn't mater anymore. |
| 03:15.47 | cladhaire | and things cost honor points, and BG tokens to purchase |
| 03:16.01 | Thunder_Child | bah, now i have to beg borrow and steal to get thoes items |
| 03:16.11 | Thunder_Child | err..money* |
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| 03:17.15 | Tain | Yeah I don't worry about my reputation at all. |
| 03:18.25 | Thunder_Child | well i am exalted just not yet 60 so i never bothered to buy the itmes there...now i have just a week to do it in |
| 03:18.29 | Thunder_Child | items* |
| 03:18.32 | Corrodias | now back to trying to get my addons updated for 2.0! |
| 03:18.53 | Corrodias | i don't suppose any of you know a good self-cast-when-i-hold-alt addon? i doubt you could even make one work in 2.0 :( |
| 03:19.59 | Kaso | its in default UI |
| 03:20.33 | Corrodias | people keep saying that, but i have a real problem with the builtin feature |
| 03:20.42 | Kaso | whats that? |
| 03:21.03 | Corrodias | i have a second action bar, directly above the "main" one, to which i've assigned shift+numbers as keys |
| 03:21.20 | Corrodias | pressing alt+shift+2 does not self-cast shift+2. at best, it self-casts 2. |
| 03:21.48 | Corrodias | the same goes for the "control+numbers" bar i have on the right side |
| 03:22.13 | Kaso | intesting |
| 03:22.42 | Corrodias | if i hold alt and -click- on one of those buttons, it works |
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| 03:24.37 | Cairenn | hey cutie |
| 03:24.44 | Inside | >_> |
| 03:24.44 | sioraiocht | hi |
| 03:24.46 | Corrodias | what i don't understand is why people keep recommending the built-in feature. am i the only one experiencing this problem with action bars other than the main one? |
| 03:25.06 | Kaso | i dont use Modifer Key + button for other bindings |
| 03:25.18 | Kaso | thats the problem with yours |
| 03:25.57 | Corrodias | what on earth do you do? |
| 03:25.58 | Cairenn | oh, hey, sioraiocht, wanted to ask a favour of you |
| 03:26.06 | sioraiocht | oh yeah? =) |
| 03:26.13 | Kaso | F keys, random keys scattered around my keyboard |
| 03:26.18 | sioraiocht | anything for you! |
| 03:26.29 | Corrodias | i see. apparently, so do a lot of other people. |
| 03:26.35 | Cairenn | when you come back after new years', would you mind bringing back a couple cups of summer with you, pretty please? I'm going to be running very short of it by then |
| 03:27.11 | sioraiocht | ooh, it'll cost you! |
| 03:27.32 | Cairenn | hmmmm, and the cost? *arches an eyebrow coyly* |
| 03:27.39 | Nom- | It's really hard to play when you don't have your bars set up the same way as normal lol |
| 03:27.46 | sioraiocht | did clad tell you where I'm going? |
| 03:27.54 | Cairenn | home |
| 03:28.03 | Cairenn | for the holidays |
| 03:28.06 | sioraiocht | oh, pssht, that's boring |
| 03:28.09 | sioraiocht | I'm going to the CARIBBEAN |
| 03:28.24 | sioraiocht | i'm only home for four days, i'll be in the British Virgin Islands for 10 days :) |
| 03:28.28 | Cairenn | or are you referring to something .... oh really? even better summer for you to bring back! |
| 03:28.45 | Cairenn | CA summer is pretty nice, but caribbean summer is like creme de la creme |
| 03:28.53 | sioraiocht | haha |
| 03:29.13 | Cairenn | so, what's it gonna cost me there hotstuff? |
| 03:29.33 | sioraiocht | Icewine |
| 03:29.35 | sioraiocht | Cases |
| 03:29.36 | sioraiocht | and Cases |
| 03:29.40 | Cairenn | ahhhhhh |
| 03:29.43 | sioraiocht | and do they have Tim-Tams in canada? |
| 03:30.00 | Cairenn | not like you guys can't get your hand son IceWine easily enough yourselves :p |
| 03:30.06 | Cairenn | and not to my knowledge |
| 03:30.09 | sioraiocht | boo |
| 03:30.11 | sioraiocht | I'm CRAVE them |
| 03:30.25 | sioraiocht | what do those aussies put in them? |
| 03:30.41 | Cairenn | but I think I might just be able to accommodate you on a bottle of icewine the next time we get together |
| 03:30.51 | sioraiocht | w000000000000t |
| 03:31.02 | sioraiocht | I'll see what I can do about this summer |
| 03:31.15 | Cairenn | which one do you prefer or will you trust to my judgement? |
| 03:31.24 | sioraiocht | I'll trust your judgement |
| 03:31.28 | Cairenn | okay |
| 03:31.36 | Cairenn | icewine is tasty stuff |
| 03:31.43 | Cairenn | I don't like wine, typically |
| 03:31.47 | Cairenn | I like icewine |
| 03:31.59 | sioraiocht | I like mead, too |
| 03:32.14 | Cairenn | so, bottle of icewine in exchange for a couple cups of summer ... sounds like a fair trade to me |
| 03:32.28 | Cairenn | mead is good |
| 03:32.48 | sioraiocht | new york makes decent mead, i have to say |
| 03:33.14 | Cairenn | I've had good mead and I've had bad |
| 03:33.21 | Cairenn | all depends on the maker, as with everything |
| 03:33.24 | sioraiocht | yeah |
| 03:33.31 | sioraiocht | and mead has SOOOO many variations |
| 03:33.35 | Cairenn | oh yeah |
| 03:33.55 | sioraiocht | and why is this the only conversation in the channel |
| 03:34.08 | Cairenn | the best meads I've had have always been homemade though, none of the commercial crap |
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| 03:34.11 | Thunder_Child | because coders are drunks |
| 03:34.11 | sioraiocht | aren't you all supposed to be talking about UI design, and code profiling... |
| 03:34.41 | Cairenn | if you want really good mead, you go to this little camping event I know of |
| 03:35.31 | Drundia | yes we are |
| 03:35.40 | Thunder_Child | Bastards Ale http://www.arrogantbastard.com/ |
| 03:35.46 | Thunder_Child | Bastard* |
| 03:35.55 | Drundia | how can i code myself something to eat and drink? |
| 03:35.56 | Cairenn | held every year at a campground just outside Slippery Rock PA |
| 03:36.05 | sioraiocht | ...Slippery Rock |
| 03:36.07 | Drundia | without bugging mighty watermakers |
| 03:36.14 | sioraiocht | their uni has a REALLY good cheerleading team |
| 03:36.34 | Cairenn | didn't get there last year, was really disappointed |
| 03:36.34 | Tain | I've known a slippery rock in my day. |
| 03:36.48 | Drundia | i think it's too far from me |
| 03:37.00 | Cairenn | love going camping with 13,000 of my closest friends |
| 03:37.39 | pastamancer | I reckon you'll find more than just mead at pennsic |
| 03:37.50 | Cairenn | I reckon you might be right ;) |
| 03:37.57 | Inside | Hmmm |
| 03:38.06 | Cairenn | wondered if anyone else in channel would manage to add that up properly |
| 03:38.59 | pastamancer | I try to avoid the SCA crowd, but I haven't always been successful :p |
| 03:39.14 | Cairenn | lol, why? we're harmless! |
| 03:39.20 | Tain | Mostly harmless. |
| 03:39.32 | Cairenn | completely harmless! |
| 03:39.54 | pastamancer | mostly for sure |
| 03:39.58 | Cairenn | just because 1/2 my friends like to stick their heads into metal buckets and hit each other with sticks ... |
| 03:40.05 | Cairenn | *big* sticks |
| 03:40.08 | sioraiocht | that's harmless for everyone else |
| 03:41.36 | Cairenn | just because even the belly dancers are carrying live steel (you wouldn't believe the places we can hide a dagger in our outfits) ... |
| 03:41.40 | Cairenn | completely harmless! |
| 03:41.50 | pastamancer | I get all the drama I could ever want from WoW, I don't need SCA levels of drama :p |
| 03:42.22 | Cairenn | lol |
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| 03:43.41 | Tain | I helped my brother make his weapons for his SCA weekend. |
| 03:43.47 | Tain | weekends |
| 03:45.02 | Thrae | SCA? Soviet Canadian Army? |
| 03:45.22 | pastamancer | Thrae: yes |
| 03:45.32 | Cairenn | Society for Creative Anachronism (Medieval recreation) |
| 03:45.49 | Cairenn | think RenFair, only a hell of a lot more authentic :p |
| 03:46.15 | Thrae | Ah, sister of the Society for Creative Anarchism (world domination cult) |
| 03:46.22 | Cairenn | lol |
| 03:46.29 | Tain | Was pretty funny one weekend, my brother pissed off a lot of people because his party got incorrectly identified as higher level than they were, and they still kicked ass. And people were embarassed. |
| 03:47.01 | Cairenn | that's not SCA Tain, that's LARP :p |
| 03:47.13 | Thrae | I didn't know people gained levels back in the Midevil ages. |
| 03:47.19 | Inside | XD |
| 03:47.21 | Inside | I was thinking that too, wtf ;p |
| 03:47.28 | Tain | Nah, it was the SCA. They were a bunch of elitist assholes. |
| 03:47.29 | Thrae | Was there a "ding" sound, or did they just say "ding"? |
| 03:47.42 | Thrae | Oh sorry, "dingeth" |
| 03:47.48 | Cairenn | lol |
| 03:47.50 | pastamancer | at least it's not darkon |
| 03:48.17 | Inside | Hmmmm. |
| 03:48.19 | Thrae | "I dingeth! Fetch me ale and whores!" |
| 03:48.22 | Cairenn | ummm, Tain? whatever the hell it was, if they had "parties" at different "levels", it wasn't the SCA |
| 03:48.34 | Cairenn | Thrae: wenches, not whores |
| 03:48.50 | Tain | It was supposedly an SCA event. |
| 03:48.58 | Thrae | Cairenn: I thought wenches was Dark Ages, whores Medevil on? |
| 03:49.00 | Cairenn | yeah, well, it wasn't |
| 03:49.10 | Tain | Although I wasn't directly involved myself. |
| 03:49.15 | Cairenn | Thrae: nope, still wenches |
| 03:49.37 | Cairenn | but not all wenches were whores, either, so ... |
| 03:49.44 | Tain | Seeing as I myself am an elitist asshole and the few SCA people I've met I've been extremely annoyed at. |
| 03:50.16 | Thrae | Cairenn: You definately need Whores with your Ale after a Dingeth. |
| 03:50.42 | Cairenn | trust me, if it's as you say it was ... it wasn't the SCA ... it may have been a group of people who thought they were playing at it, but it most assuredly wasn't SCA |
| 03:50.53 | Cairenn | whatever they wanted to delude themselves into thinking |
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| 03:51.13 | Cairenn | Thrae: lol |
| 03:52.19 | Thrae | I wonder if the SCA ever angered the SCPA due to their cruelty of animals (one of the cornerstones of Midevil society!) |
| 03:52.26 | Corrodias | ace. do i get a wow 2.0 version of ace? doesn't look like i see one |
| 03:52.34 | Thrae | "Oh yeah, well your society is just a copy of ours with PEE in it!" |
| 03:52.41 | Corrodias | SPCA, you mean |
| 03:52.41 | Thunder_Child | yes they have ace 2.0 |
| 03:52.51 | Thrae | Right, what did I say? |
| 03:52.55 | pastamancer | Corrodias: seek it among the branches |
| 03:52.56 | Corrodias | SCPA |
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| 03:53.02 | Corrodias | branches? |
| 03:53.11 | Thunder_Child | http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Ace2 |
| 03:53.27 | Thrae | Oh no, I meant the Society for Creative Prostitution of Animals. |
| 03:53.28 | Corrodias | ace2 is not quite what i meant. does this mean none of my Ace addons will work in wow 2.0? |
| 03:53.54 | Corrodias | brb again.. |
| 03:54.00 | Thunder_Child | some do, i used some in beta |
| 03:54.15 | Thunder_Child | ask ck when he gets around, he would be able to answer it much better |
| 03:54.46 | Thrae | Corrodias: Right now, there's a huge development movement to get up to WoW 2.0. |
| 03:54.50 | Grem | Is there a way to make a frame's texture appear BEHIND the frame's backdrop? |
| 03:55.18 | Thrae | Grem: Yes, put it in a different frame and lower that frame's strata and/or level. |
| 03:55.37 | Grem | So have two seperate frames? |
| 03:56.02 | Thrae | Grem: Yes, Texture objects can't do that alone to my knowledge. They are limited. Frame encapsulation (pre2.0) is encouraged. |
| 03:56.13 | Grem | hmm... |
| 03:57.01 | Grem | Thanks for the tip |
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| 04:08.03 | Grem | Does anyone know if it's possible to draw a resizable circle with the UI? |
| 04:08.23 | Grem | Id use a circle texture, but resizing it makes it look very pixelated and grainy |
| 04:09.12 | MentalPower | not that I know of, but Iriel might know a trick |
| 04:09.46 | Iriel | The only trick would be to use a quarter circle texture as large as you can rationally get away with |
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| 04:13.28 | malreth | everybody is dead dave |
| 04:13.49 | malreth | What, Selby? |
| 04:13.59 | malreth | They're all dead... everybody's dead dave |
| 04:15.26 | Cairenn | o.O |
| 04:15.47 | pastamancer | that red dwarf quote on the ui forums was beautiful and to the point |
| 04:17.07 | Grem | Guess I need to make a quarter circle then, can anyone tell me again which graphic files are supported? |
| 04:17.16 | Cairenn | .tga or .blp |
| 04:17.17 | Iriel | .tga .blp |
| 04:17.22 | Grem | Okay |
| 04:17.29 | Grem | and I think tga is the easiest to create and work with right? |
| 04:17.30 | Cairenn | .tga is easiest |
| 04:17.32 | Cairenn | yup |
| 04:17.34 | Grem | k |
| 04:17.36 | Grem | Thanks |
| 04:17.51 | malreth | pastamancer: I aim to entertain AAAAAAND educate. |
| 04:18.21 | Cairenn | it's ... challenging ... to find a .blp converter that works with many graphics programs |
| 04:18.34 | malreth | grem: just remember power of 2 dimensions |
| 04:18.36 | Cairenn | whereas .tga is pretty much standard |
| 04:18.44 | Cairenn | and alpha channel |
| 04:19.04 | Grem | Right |
| 04:19.57 | malreth | is an alpha channel required even if you want an opaque texture? |
| 04:20.07 | MentalPower | no, its not required |
| 04:20.30 | MentalPower | wow takes pretty much any TGA, as long as its dimensions are power of 2 |
| 04:20.47 | Cairenn | but unless your graphic fills the entire file, then you need the alpha channel |
| 04:21.01 | pastamancer | malreth: it's a shame that your eloquence and wit is most likely lost on the OP of that thread :( |
| 04:21.18 | malreth | as for a .blp converter, I've found that the java app on curse gaming works quite well... the png->blp one |
| 04:21.18 | Cairenn | a 1/4 circle won't fill an entire square file |
| 04:22.16 | Cairenn | which thread? |
| 04:22.30 | malreth | pastamancer: well, the last poster does make a point... are banned players guilty-until-otherwise or innocent-until-proven-guilty? |
| 04:22.46 | pastamancer | Cairenn: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=50425599&postId=501814489&sid=1#8 |
| 04:23.13 | Thrae | Circle circle dot dot, time to get your cootie shot... |
| 04:23.44 | malreth | it's hard to argue those "so and so got banned" threads and avoid an appeal to authority fallacy |
| 04:23.57 | pastamancer | malreth: blizzard seems quite clear that they're completely at the whim of blizzard and presumably guilty until proven innocent in a kafkaesque sort of way |
| 04:24.27 | malreth | yeah... that's the part that makes me uncomfortable |
| 04:24.55 | malreth | so such threads are inarguable |
| 04:25.17 | pastamancer | it's theyr game, their rules |
| 04:25.18 | Tain | Blizzard isn't a democracy. |
| 04:25.23 | pastamancer | s/theyr/their/ |
| 04:25.31 | Grem | Several of my accounts were banned, not using third party programs |
| 04:25.36 | Grem | And my friends on my IP got banned also |
| 04:25.42 | Grem | Including my girlfriend, level 12 mage |
| 04:25.42 | Tain | Sure Grem. |
| 04:25.50 | Thrae | Hey, I think a dictatorship is good when the dictator doesn't have a conflict of interest. What would Blizzard have to gain by banning paying customers? |
| 04:26.00 | Grem | We were using LUA addons |
| 04:26.07 | Grem | my girlfriend wasnt, but she was still effected |
| 04:26.12 | Tain | Sure Grem. |
| 04:26.19 | Grem | Okay? |
| 04:26.32 | norgs | ok, this conversation's not going anywhere |
| 04:26.37 | Tain | I r believing. |
| 04:26.41 | malreth | if your girlfriend wasn't using addons then logically it cannot be the existence of addons that caused you to get banned |
| 04:26.49 | pastamancer | see, even in the court of public opinion, you're guilty until proven innocent |
| 04:26.52 | norgs | even if you were completely innocent, there's not a damn thing you can do about it |
| 04:26.52 | Cairenn | definitely isn't going anywhere, norgs |
| 04:27.01 | Grem | Malreth, her account was incriminated because of being on my IP |
| 04:27.17 | Inside | Xd |
| 04:27.20 | Grem | or being on my email, who knows |
| 04:27.21 | Inside | Someone's not getting laid for a while. |
| 04:27.26 | Cairenn | lol |
| 04:27.35 | Tain | Your girlfriend was incriminated because of being on something. |
| 04:27.40 | Grem | We emailed Blizzard, and they sent her an 'application' to recover her account |
| 04:27.41 | Thrae | Anyway, our criminal justice system works the same way. You will usually stay in jail while your trial's underway (unless you can make the large bail amount). It doesn't mean they find you guilty before proven innocent, it just means they want you to cease all suspected criminal activity while your innocence is proven or disproven. |
| 04:27.51 | Grem | being on something? |
| 04:28.26 | Tain | Being on my ban stick. |
| 04:28.27 | malreth | the part that gets me is people keep insisting that they were banned because of addons |
| 04:28.30 | Thrae | Blizzard enforces the same ideal, they "lock up" your character in a jail while you're on trial. |
| 04:28.34 | Grem | I have LUA addons that automate parts of my game, but I am always present at my computer |
| 04:28.46 | Inside | LUA addons to WoW never allow movement. |
| 04:28.49 | Grem | Thrae, there is no 'trial', they dont respond to emails |
| 04:28.54 | Cairenn | if it automates, it isn't an addon, it's a bot |
| 04:28.57 | Cairenn | bots aren't allowed |
| 04:29.02 | pastamancer | malreth: red herring is delicious |
| 04:29.08 | Thrae | Grem: Hey, most real-life trials take months ;) |
| 04:29.10 | Grem | Cairenn, it requires input |
| 04:29.24 | Grem | Thrae, Blizzard responds to my emails with a bot |
| 04:29.31 | Thrae | Anyway, this will be mostly mute in 2.0, since that will destroy most automation. |
| 04:29.40 | malreth | Grem: canned responses |
| 04:30.05 | Grem | It's ridiculous |
| 04:30.09 | Grem | I dont even play anymore because of it |
| 04:30.11 | Thrae | Grem: No, that's a CSR cut&pasting, I did that too when I was working in TS. |
| 04:30.22 | Grem | Neither does my girlfriend, and she didnt even use LUA addons |
| 04:30.24 | Inside | WoW even has a copy pasta for threats of suicide |
| 04:30.30 | Grem | I know |
| 04:30.32 | Inside | XD |
| 04:30.39 | Inside | Anyway Grem, I think someone is a little glider |
| 04:30.42 | malreth | that's how CS is done now a days |
| 04:30.45 | Inside | Unfortunately, you will find very little support here for a botter. |
| 04:30.46 | Thrae | Why, "Cry more emo kid"? |
| 04:30.48 | Grem | You would think |
| 04:30.49 | Iriel | Mmmm, copy pasta! Sounds tasty! |
| 04:30.53 | Cairenn | Grem: if it requires input, it isn't automated |
| 04:30.53 | Cairenn | make up your mind |
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| 04:30.55 | pastamancer | it is! |
| 04:30.56 | Thrae | ...Sorry, that was in bad taste. |
| 04:30.56 | Grem | But ive never used Glider |
| 04:31.08 | Grem | I can guarantee that if you use my LUA addon, you will get banned though |
| 04:31.12 | Tain | I am of coursed an arrogant prick, but my experience so far has been that Blizzard hasn't banned people for no reason. |
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| 04:31.20 | ozatomic | how can i view/edit blp files in win? |
| 04:31.24 | Inside | The thing about Blizzard banning, is from what I gather, they scan memory for running programs. |
| 04:31.29 | End | Grem: what exactly does your addon do? |
| 04:31.33 | malreth | ozatomic: you convert them to another format first |
| 04:31.35 | Cairenn | ozatomic: get a converter |
| 04:31.36 | Grem | End, it automates party members |
| 04:31.41 | Inside | ... |
| 04:31.46 | Inside | So it's a bot? |
| 04:31.47 | Tain | Regardless, Blizzard can ban you because they flipped a coin and landed on Heads. |
| 04:31.48 | ozatomic | hey grem :p |
| 04:31.52 | End | automates party members? |
| 04:31.54 | Grem | It requires input, a party leader |
| 04:31.55 | Thrae | Grem: Is it your own custom addon you have never released anywhere, or does it have a NAME? |
| 04:32.02 | ozatomic | Cairenn, can u name a comverter? |
| 04:32.02 | Cairenn | Grem: if it automates things, it isn't a mod, it's a bot, period end of discussion |
| 04:32.08 | Grem | Cairenn, wrong |
| 04:32.12 | Grem | I have to tell them to attack |
| 04:32.13 | End | what exactly does it automate? |
| 04:32.19 | Grem | It lets me send them commands |
| 04:32.21 | Cairenn | ozatomic: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=11381244&sid=1 there are some listed in there |
| 04:32.22 | Grem | through hidden addon channel |
| 04:32.31 | ozatomic | thx Cairenn |
| 04:32.32 | Grem | Cairenn, if it's made in WoW LUA, and does not work UNATTENDED, its not a bot |
| 04:32.37 | Grem | It's no more a bot than Decursive is |
| 04:32.41 | Tain | Don't tell Cairenn wrong without having more proof and intelligence than the poeple already here. |
| 04:32.43 | Tain | Which is a lot. |
| 04:32.55 | Thrae | I don't like debates which include "I have my evidence but its secret. Maybe you can guess it." |
| 04:32.57 | Grem | It's simply an 'advanced' form of common addons like Decursive |
| 04:33.02 | Cairenn | Grem: the person on the other end doesn't have to do anything, then it is botting, whatever the hell you want to call it |
| 04:33.18 | malreth | ah... so those other characters, they take actions without anyone actually playing them? |
| 04:33.22 | Grem | It's not third party programs |
| 04:33.26 | Inside | oooh |
| 04:33.28 | Inside | I see what you're doing... |
| 04:33.29 | Grem | It's BOXING Cairenn |
| 04:33.30 | MentalPower | but it *is* a bot |
| 04:33.30 | Tain | And seeing as Decursive is already rendered inoperable in the expansion I wouldn't count it as a valid argument. |
| 04:33.31 | Grem | Boxing is clearly legal |
| 04:33.35 | Grem | It is NOT a bot |
| 04:33.37 | Cairenn | no, it isn't |
| 04:33.44 | MentalPower | no it isin't |
| 04:33.49 | malreth | Boxing means you hit buttons on multiple computers |
| 04:33.50 | Grem | Bots perform automonous functions without input and being present at them |
| 04:33.51 | MentalPower | you agree to only have one account |
| 04:33.53 | Cairenn | that isn't boxing |
| 04:33.58 | MentalPower | for starters |
| 04:34.02 | Grem | Malreth, I simply hit buttons on one computer which sends Addon chat to my party |
| 04:34.02 | Inside | You're using the the addon channels to have one person send messages to all the other people and their PCs actually do that stuff. |
| 04:34.04 | Inside | Very interesting. |
| 04:34.08 | Cairenn | I've DONE multi-boxing, that isn't it |
| 04:34.10 | Grem | Their PCs dont do stuff |
| 04:34.14 | Grem | Their LUA responds to my commands |
| 04:34.15 | malreth | Grem... That's where it crosses the line |
| 04:34.15 | Cairenn | that's a bot, pure and simple |
| 04:34.17 | Grem | I simply built a command interpreter |
| 04:34.27 | pastamancer | it sounds like he's sending code via the addon comm channel and then having it loadstring/eval on the next hardware event |
| 04:34.28 | Grem | Its not a third party program |
| 04:34.32 | Grem | I was banned for a 'third party program' |
| 04:34.38 | Thunder_Child | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:34.41 | norgs | Grem - answer this. Does it work without simulated keystrokes? (ie a keystroke generator or macro program) |
| 04:34.42 | Tain | I think the moral of the story is the alleged bans on Grem and his allegend girlfriend's accoutns are valid. |
| 04:34.42 | Grem | Whereas it's clearly made in WoW's LUA, Blizzard gave me the tool to use |
| 04:34.46 | Grem | No norgs |
| 04:34.57 | malreth | grem: "Third party" refers to you |
| 04:34.57 | Grem | It's all done in WoW LUA |
| 04:35.08 | Grem | Third party program means program running outside of WoW |
| 04:35.09 | End | I don't even get what Grem's addon does |
| 04:35.11 | Thrae | MentalPower: That's actually not true according to the Character Transfer rules, which state specific rules for people with more then one account, unless someone screwed up on the website. Maybe they want to say you can't play more then one account at a time by the same person? |
| 04:35.12 | norgs | so how were you executing the protected commands? |
| 04:35.15 | malreth | "Program" is the lua script that you made |
| 04:35.20 | Grem | I was not executing protected commands |
| 04:35.24 | Grem | Malreth, that is wrong |
| 04:35.34 | Grem | That is a heavily improper definition of third party programs |
| 04:35.40 | malreth | No. you are mistaken. |
| 04:35.41 | Grem | Third party programs are tools that Blizzard did not provide the user |
| 04:35.47 | norgs | you were sending it commands to do what then? |
| 04:35.56 | MentalPower | Thrae: that is for accounts under the same household, not necessarily the same person |
| 04:35.57 | malreth | and you're too stubborn and or stupid to see reason |
| 04:35.58 | Grem | Blizzard provided me LUA, they protect commands they dont want me to use |
| 04:36.00 | Tain | Grem knows better than everyone! Stop questioning him! |
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| 04:36.08 | malreth | so you will trumpet your little agenda |
| 04:36.11 | Grem | If they protect commands, it means they dont want us to use them, so we dont use them |
| 04:36.14 | malreth | and go no where |
| 04:36.22 | Tain | Also it's Lua, not LUA. |
| 04:36.22 | Grem | So what you are suggesting is this Malreth... |
| 04:36.23 | Thunder_Child | it's very simple to get the answer for, ask blizz, they can make whatever deffinition they want to for boting |
| 04:36.27 | malreth | you may not have known that what you were doing was wrong |
| 04:36.29 | End | that's why I question him, so I can know what he knows, because I have no idea how his AddOn is even useful |
| 04:36.34 | malreth | but that doesn't make it right |
| 04:36.48 | Grem | Using hidden addon channels to send LUA commands is illegal |
| 04:36.52 | malreth | no |
| 04:36.53 | Thrae | MentalPower: My little brother of 9 is too young to have his own credit card, so my Mom has two accounts in her name. According to the Character Transfer rules, the two accounts just need the same billing address. |
| 04:36.56 | Grem | Blizzard didnt warn me of that |
| 04:36.57 | Tain | Don't question the Grem! |
| 04:37.09 | malreth | using hidden channels to send messages is fine |
| 04:37.14 | End | so...it shares snippets of code? |
| 04:37.14 | malreth | acting on them to automate actions is not |
| 04:37.20 | Grem | yes End |
| 04:37.27 | Grem | It shares LUA programs through addon channel |
| 04:37.30 | Thrae | MentalPower: I could transfer characters over to their accounts if my Mom also paid for my account (which would probably send up a flag anyway). |
| 04:37.35 | Grem | The receiving client performs RunScript |
| 04:37.41 | Grem | It's like an advanced form of any other addon out there |
| 04:37.47 | Grem | It just has a detailed command interpreter |
| 04:37.47 | Cairenn | no, it isn't |
| 04:37.52 | Tain | For fuck's sake, it's Lua, not LUA. It is not an acronym. |
| 04:38.01 | Inside | Actually |
| 04:38.07 | Inside | look at the code, they use LUA and Lua interchangably |
| 04:38.18 | Grem | Caireen, Decursive is botting then |
| 04:38.22 | Inside | It is |
| 04:38.23 | MentalPower | yes, but its "Lua" its moon in portuguese |
| 04:38.26 | Inside | which is why it's getting taken out. |
| 04:38.30 | Grem | Then why arent decursive users being banned? |
| 04:38.39 | Grem | Why not protect the commands I was using, why ban me but ban other 'less inquisitive' programmers |
| 04:38.42 | malreth | Grem: because decursive users are actually at their computers |
| 04:38.44 | End | how many decursive users are there? ;p |
| 04:38.52 | Grem | Thousands, millions maybe? End |
| 04:38.53 | Inside | Because it's an unseen flaw in their system... a flaw which is being patched. |
| 04:38.57 | Grem | Malreth, im at my computer |
| 04:39.03 | Grem | Inside, why ban me for their flaw? |
| 04:39.03 | malreth | your girlfriend was not at her computer playing her character on her account |
| 04:39.09 | Grem | Yes she was |
| 04:39.11 | malreth | it was your mistake |
| 04:39.11 | Grem | She was just a side victim |
| 04:39.18 | Grem | I was saying that she was effected from my 'mistake' |
| 04:39.18 | Cairenn | Grem: decursive isn't a bot, your "code" is |
| 04:39.19 | Thunder_Child | i would have to say that grem isnt botting, but the computers/accounts/whatever are. |
| 04:39.23 | malreth | own up and take responsibility for what you did |
| 04:39.29 | Thunder_Child | that he is controloing* |
| 04:39.33 | Thrae | Grem: Because it's far easier to tell the difference between Decursive usage, which is mainly limited to lifting ailments during raids with other people also at their computers, to your system which is far more general and broad. |
| 04:39.37 | norgs | Hey grem, did you come here to discuss coding issues, or complain about being banned? |
| 04:39.40 | Inside | Because, that's like oh.... the IRS having a tax loop hole... which for some people is just very unethical, but you took it to a point where it actually became illegal. |
| 04:39.43 | malreth | ignorance of the rules is no excuse |
| 04:39.50 | Tain | Grem: I got banned for botting! Everyone else: Die in a fire! |
| 04:39.56 | Grem | The fact is: I had to perform input to cause action for my computer |
| 04:39.59 | norgs | Because if it's the latter, you are disrupting the channel |
| 04:40.02 | Grem | It wasnt automated |
| 04:40.08 | Grem | If input is required, its not a bot |
| 04:40.10 | Inside | YOU weren't automating. |
| 04:40.15 | Inside | The other PCs WERE automated. |
| 04:40.15 | malreth | the other computers were automating |
| 04:40.16 | Grem | Moreover, its definitely not a third party program |
| 04:40.18 | Thrae | Tain: Visor isn't going to work in 2.0. Obviously it's botting. |
| 04:40.22 | Grem | Inside, I had to tell them what to do |
| 04:40.23 | Cairenn | okay, enough |
| 04:40.30 | malreth | all addons are by definition third party programs |
| 04:40.31 | Tain | Grem is proof that Blizzard is doing the right thing. |
| 04:40.31 | Grem | How is hitting a key on one keyboard any different than hitting a key on another keyboard? |
| 04:40.32 | Inside | Grem: What, install the addon and move point a to b :P? |
| 04:40.42 | Grem | Inside, you cant 'move' |
| 04:40.48 | MentalPower | guys, thats all well and good |
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| 04:40.55 | Grem | I press the cast fireball button, which sends an addon chat to my party, and they cast fireballs |
| 04:40.56 | MentalPower | you've all made your point |
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| 04:41.01 | Grem | It's no different than using HARDWARE instead of SOFTWARE |
| 04:41.06 | Inside | I'm just saying that I feel that Blizard was right in this and Grem needs to do more QQ |
| 04:41.11 | Tain | It is only too bad that Blizzard bans don't apply to IRC as well. |
| 04:41.12 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn, i think free exchange pass it's upper limit a while ago |
| 04:41.14 | Grem | So instead of reaching over a press a key |
| 04:41.15 | Thunder_Child | passed* |
| 04:41.20 | Grem | Okay, I will compromise |
| 04:41.20 | Cairenn | Grem: whether you care to accept it or not, what you were doing was botting, you got caught, you paid the price, now stop, or leave |
| 04:41.26 | ozatomic | Cairenn, i downladoed EyeBrowse but it wont view the bla files :( |
| 04:41.26 | Grem | I agree with Blizzard banning me, I expected it |
| 04:41.43 | Grem | I did expect to get banned, because I know how Blizzard works, im not going to debate that |
| 04:41.50 | Grem | The question is, why victimize my friends that had nothing to do with me? |
| 04:41.53 | Inside | You're just angry that your GF was banned because she was on the same IP? |
| 04:41.56 | MentalPower | ozatomic: google XNView |
| 04:41.59 | Grem | Wasnt that the original question? People getting victimized for no reason? |
| 04:42.06 | Tain | Grem: I don't believe you. |
| 04:42.07 | Inside | Because the accounts probably had the same payment info? |
| 04:42.09 | Grem | I wont sit here and debate why my actions may have caused a personal ban |
| 04:42.10 | Cairenn | if they were using your "code" as well, then they are just as guilty as you |
| 04:42.10 | Inside | Because they had the same IP? |
| 04:42.16 | Grem | She doesnt live at my house |
| 04:42.19 | Grem | But she does play here sometimes |
| 04:42.20 | norgs | Please don't continue this debate |
| 04:42.29 | Tain | Frankly, I think yo |
| 04:42.32 | Grem | Cairenn, they were not |
| 04:42.34 | Inside | Grem: They probably have a "user-map" which tracks which accounts have shared similar login points. |
| 04:42.34 | Tain | you are a liar. |
| 04:42.40 | Cairenn | and that's the end of this discussion |
| 04:42.43 | MentalPower | please, thats enough |
| 04:42.51 | Tain | Liar liar pants on fiar. |
| 04:42.56 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+m] by Cairenn |
| 04:43.03 | Cairenn | and that's the end of this discussion |
| 04:43.40 | Cairenn | I will remove the mute in a moment, but I'm tired of what I'm saying getting lost in the spam ... this conversation ends now, or people will be asked to leave |
| 04:43.48 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [-m] by Cairenn |
| 04:43.52 | Tain | fiar = fire |
| 04:44.02 | Cairenn | Tain: I mean it |
| 04:44.05 | pastamancer | <3 Cairenn |
| 04:44.08 | End | annnyways, about that weather |
| 04:44.14 | Tain | Just correcting typos. |
| 04:44.17 | malreth | was cloudy today |
| 04:44.25 | End | it was actually snowing where I live |
| 04:44.33 | Grem | http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/wow/addons-5585-1-whispercast-enhanced.html |
| 04:44.33 | malreth | and i spent all day inside reghosting lab computers |
| 04:44.37 | MentalPower | it was quite cool here in the afternoon, but now its hot and humid |
| 04:44.54 | Grem | If anyone wants to privately discuss anything with me, feel free to, and keep 'Whispercast' in mind |
| 04:44.57 | Tain | Raining like a bastard here tonight. |
| 04:46.01 | Thrae | I found out the magic of syncronized bookmarks in Firefox. Now my three computers share the same bookmark index. |
| 04:46.14 | malreth | has there been any dish on if they're gonna add a more flexable keybinding interface? |
| 04:46.36 | Thrae | Now I just need to catagorize the 100-so bookmarks. |
| 04:47.12 | Tain | Thrae: What are you using? I tried one addon to sync and it didn't work well. |
| 04:47.24 | malreth | i use google sync |
| 04:47.36 | End | oh |
| 04:47.49 | Thrae | Tain: Foxmarks. I loved delicious's tags, but it used up too much CPU when it tried to sync constantly. |
| 04:47.50 | End | Blizzard posted they expected the patch to be December 5th |
| 04:47.56 | malreth | but i like suckling from the greasy teet of the mighty google beast |
| 04:48.02 | Cairenn | End: where? |
| 04:48.14 | End | hold on |
| 04:48.21 | End | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=51145118&sid=1 |
| 04:48.33 | malreth | that means the next week of pvp doesn't count |
| 04:48.58 | End | wait |
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| 04:49.02 | End | maybe I misread that |
| 04:49.08 | End | yes |
| 04:49.19 | End | I read that correctly |
| 04:49.19 | Inside | wait what? |
| 04:49.21 | Inside | nooo |
| 04:49.24 | Thrae | Well why PvP if you can't gain redeemable points out of it? |
| 04:49.35 | End | they'll do the final honor calculation the same day as well |
| 04:49.52 | End | "We are currently planning to release this content update next Tuesday, December 5." |
| 04:49.55 | Cairenn | End: I read it the same way, it's rather unequivocal |
| 04:50.02 | End | also |
| 04:50.04 | End | "We will run one final honor calculation on December 5 and update everyone.s ranking accordingly on that date so that players who achieve a new rank for that week have the opportunity to display that title on their character." |
| 04:50.09 | Thrae | Tain: You've looked at the "Recommended" addons, right? |
| 04:50.21 | Esamynn | wow, they gave us notice, that's nice of them |
| 04:50.23 | Gryphen | link forum then paste contents anyway... |
| 04:50.37 | End | Esamynn: only because of the honor system really |
| 04:51.02 | ozatomic | ok so i can view blp files in XnView how can i create BLP Files now |
| 04:51.17 | Cairenn | ozatomic: easiest is to create .tga then convert |
| 04:51.30 | MentalPower | or jsut use the .tga ingame |
| 04:51.31 | End | ozatomic: you don't need to create blp files normally. tga should do the job usually |
| 04:51.41 | MentalPower | theres really no reason to use blp's |
| 04:51.46 | Cairenn | indeed |
| 04:51.47 | End | (there are a few places, such as cursors, where you need blps) |
| 04:51.53 | MentalPower | except if you're going to be SetCursor()'ing |
| 04:51.57 | ozatomic | so in my xml files i can just reference tga files |
| 04:52.03 | Cairenn | ozatomic: yup |
| 04:52.11 | Cairenn | wow reads .tga just fine |
| 04:52.13 | malreth | reference the basename of the file... basically leave off the .tga |
| 04:52.22 | Cairenn | it's what most folks use instead of dealing with blp conversion |
| 04:52.29 | ozatomic | kool |
| 04:52.37 | malreth | so, "Interface\AddOns\MyAddOn\mytexturefile" |
| 04:52.47 | MentalPower | \\ but yeah |
| 04:52.54 | malreth | \\ only in Lua |
| 04:53.11 | malreth | just \ in XML |
| 04:53.13 | MentalPower | true, I've avoided XML like the plague |
| 04:53.23 | MentalPower | personal preference |
| 04:53.42 | malreth | if you have the plague, please move away from the raid |
| 04:53.49 | malreth | sorry... |
| 04:53.54 | malreth | was in AQ40 last night |
| 04:54.01 | End | lol |
| 04:54.24 | MentalPower | lol |
| 04:55.25 | malreth | i smiled today when Farmbuyer called me his hero |
| 04:55.30 | Thunder_Child | though not letting us get our items for the new rank is kinda pointless |
| 04:56.15 | Neuro_Medivh | You should quit in protest! |
| 04:56.15 | Neuro_Medivh | that'll show em! |
| 04:56.15 | malreth | hahah! |
| 04:56.16 | Thunder_Child | oh, good one |
| 04:56.47 | Inside | XD |
| 04:57.09 | Neuro_Medivh | it's just one of those things, people will always want 'one more week' |
| 04:57.15 | Inside | Yup |
| 04:57.20 | Inside | But one week warning? :/ |
| 04:57.24 | Thunder_Child | not one more week |
| 04:57.39 | Thunder_Child | just the ability to get the items on that day before the patch |
| 04:57.47 | Thunder_Child | like every other week |
| 04:58.06 | Thunder_Child | unless they patch at 12am and it's moot |
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| 05:01.25 | Garoun|Loupana | interesting, can't put a macro on the pet bar |
| 05:02.08 | Inside | Oh daymn, I just realized I'll need to pass input to my lua scripts in my game too =_= |
| 05:03.23 | *** topic/#wowi-lounge by Cairenn -> 2.0 UI Changes http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6832 | intended push date of 2.0 is 5 Dec | http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#7 | Paste Code Here: http://wowi.pastey.net/ | Mod Author guilds on Hellfire (US) and on Tempest Keep (EU). CastSpell (A)/TargetUnit(H) | TBC Release Date 16 Jan 07 |
| 05:05.47 | Nom- | hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 05:05.55 | End | hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm indeed |
| 05:05.58 | Nom- | I've got a fair few mods to update for 2.0 |
| 05:06.05 | malreth | soo... what happens to the Officer's Barracks in 2.0? |
| 05:06.18 | Thunder_Child | nudie bar |
| 05:06.18 | Nom- | I hope everything works (except detox, which i know won't) |
| 05:06.23 | Nom- | malreth: Everyone gets in there now |
| 05:06.28 | Nom- | malreth: Even unranked players |
| 05:06.40 | malreth | ah... okeh. i guess that works |
| 05:06.53 | End | guess that's expected |
| 05:06.55 | Nom- | I suspect there will still be ranks |
| 05:07.03 | Nom- | But it won't be based on a competition any more |
| 05:07.24 | Thunder_Child | hmmm..i wonder if you can max out on honot like you can on tokes |
| 05:07.27 | End | you can use your highest rank in the "old" system or no tag at all for player display |
| 05:07.28 | Thunder_Child | honor* |
| 05:07.41 | End | it doesn't mean anything though |
| 05:07.47 | Thunder_Child | tokens* |
| 05:07.52 | End | and it sounds like they will add other titles over time |
| 05:07.54 | malreth | you also can't query a unit's title |
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| 05:08.56 | Nom- | <-- Senior Sargent |
| 05:08.57 | malreth | i was trying to fix my rewrite of SilverMedal but couldn't find a function to get a unit's title |
| 05:10.00 | malreth | The getunitpvpinfowhatever functions seemed to return the rank I had when I transferred and not my actual displayed title |
| 05:10.22 | malreth | well, not 'seemed'... that's actually what they did return |
| 05:11.34 | Nom- | 64 mods to update on patch day :/ |
| 05:11.45 | Inside | Hmmm, so I'm working on a bit of a game.... Okay, so a marble madness clone :P http://youtube.com/watch?v=1tMedZ6192k Just thinking of what other functions I should create for the API :\ http://rafb.net/paste/results/NyuaJi99.html is what I have so far for the level scripting.. |
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| 05:11.53 | malreth | 187 addons here |
| 05:12.34 | malreth | i should take the patch as a chance to CUT DOWN!!! |
| 05:12.43 | Garoun|Loupana | YES |
| 05:12.51 | Garoun|Loupana | :P |
| 05:12.57 | Thunder_Child | yea "trim the fat" as it were |
| 05:13.10 | Garoun|Loupana | the only thing really missing in my UI right now is my raiding stuff |
| 05:13.27 | Inside | Any ideas on what I should plan on addind? |
| 05:13.29 | Inside | adding? |
| 05:15.19 | Elessdy | this is the old alt-self-casting addon i'm using, from WAY back. the XML just registers the onload. do you think this can be converted for 2.0? as i understand the changes, i wouldn't expect it. http://wowi.pastey.net/2831 |
| 05:15.56 | malreth | yeah... that won't work |
| 05:16.06 | malreth | but good news |
| 05:16.23 | Nom- | There's self-cast as a UI mod now |
| 05:16.28 | malreth | AltCasting has been built in to the default UI for several patches now |
| 05:16.33 | Nom- | err |
| 05:16.43 | Nom- | self-cast as a interface option now i mean |
| 05:16.48 | Corrodias | people keep saying that, and i keep having to reply that it doesn't work for buttons assigned to activate on shift+number keys |
| 05:17.06 | Corrodias | alt+shift+2 doesn't self-cast shift+2, but rather just 2. |
| 05:17.43 | Nom- | http://standen.id.au/pics/WoWScrnShot_112506_210336.jpg |
| 05:17.53 | Nom- | That's my latest UI screenshot...i can't play without it now lol |
| 05:18.10 | Nom- | I don't have an in-combat screeny, but I have antagonist and metahud too |
| 05:19.18 | Nom- | I just hope I can have all that working on 2.0 on patch day |
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| 05:20.47 | Corrodias | nobody seems to have an answer for self-casting problem. how about addons that depend on Ace? |
| 05:21.01 | Neuro_Medivh | Ace? What's that? |
| 05:21.22 | Nom- | umm |
| 05:21.39 | Nom- | isn't there an option in key bindings or interface for self-cast modifier? |
| 05:21.50 | Nom- | if there is, just change it to none (if possible) or something you don't use |
| 05:22.04 | Neuro_Medivh | I believe they removed that cause it was bugging |
| 05:22.11 | Corrodias | how would that help? |
| 05:22.31 | Nom- | Because your shift-bound items might be bugging because WoW is trying to self-cast |
| 05:22.40 | malreth | noooooooo! |
| 05:22.47 | Corrodias | i totally don't understand what you're trying to say. |
| 05:22.50 | norgs | Mummy!!! |
| 05:23.02 | Corrodias | i can cast them by pressing shift+number just fine. but alt+shift+number does NOT self-cast them like it should. |
| 05:23.25 | Nom- | because shift might be the self-cast modifier |
| 05:23.26 | Neuro_Medivh | ahh, cause alt-shift is a different modifier than shift |
| 05:23.31 | Neuro_Medivh | No |
| 05:23.34 | Corrodias | i have the alt key set to self-cast |
| 05:23.50 | Neuro_Medivh | it's because the game interprets alt-shift as a single modifier |
| 05:23.58 | Corrodias | how do i get it to stop? :P |
| 05:24.01 | Neuro_Medivh | and not alt, + shift |
| 05:24.02 | Neuro_Medivh | you don't |
| 05:24.10 | Nom- | lern2bindbetter |
| 05:24.11 | Nom- | :D |
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| 05:24.40 | Neuro_Medivh | Or you write your own self-cast |
| 05:24.44 | Nom- | What class do you play? |
| 05:24.57 | Corrodias | none of the self-casting addons i have tried work in 2.0 |
| 05:25.03 | Neuro_Medivh | ahh, 2.0 |
| 05:25.21 | Neuro_Medivh | well, the game sees alt+shift as a completely different modifier |
| 05:25.21 | Corrodias | Nom-: druid, rogue, warrior, mage, and hunter |
| 05:25.44 | Nom- | And what class do you use those complex key bindings on? :/ |
| 05:25.50 | Corrodias | all of them |
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| 05:26.02 | Nom- | I get away with use using 1-5 on the hotbar, and q,e,x,c,` for extra common specials |
| 05:26.04 | Corrodias | shift+number is not very complex |
| 05:26.06 | Nom- | That's on a mage |
| 05:26.13 | Neuro_Medivh | that'll probably be a problem on any two-modifier combo |
| 05:26.27 | Corrodias | you're an amazing person, Nom-. are you happy to hear that? but it doesn't help me to tell me that. |
| 05:26.42 | Nom- | No, I'm just trying to think what you're using that requires that many lol :) |
| 05:26.47 | Neuro_Medivh | Corro, I assume making macros is not a solution? |
| 05:27.08 | Nom- | Regardless...if WoW interprets Alt+Shift as a seperate modifier, then you're up a certain creek without a paddle |
| 05:27.10 | Corrodias | i could conceivably make macros if they could imitate the "if i'm holding alt, cast it on myself" function |
| 05:27.14 | malreth | I play a mage and I use shift-number bindings for some of my spells |
| 05:27.22 | Neuro_Medivh | they can, corrodias |
| 05:27.45 | Corrodias | how cumbersome. it would be more efficient to just learn to click on my player frame when casting on myself. |
| 05:27.49 | Neuro_Medivh | ./cast [modifier=alt,target=player] spell; spell |
| 05:27.50 | Nom- | heh, i just do wierd stuff for bust damage...i should really move it |
| 05:27.58 | Garoun|Loupana | I'm still trying to find out if there is a way to create longer macro's or create macro 'libraries' in lua :) |
| 05:28.08 | Nom- | I do like 2,2,4,Shift-2,6,Shift-1,2 |
| 05:28.26 | Nom- | That's my burst dps combo :P .. Shift-2,6 is CoC |
| 05:28.27 | Neuro_Medivh | Garoun, /click might work on next beta push |
| 05:28.42 | Corrodias | that's not so complex. i wonder if my cooldown timer display and range checking will work on macros |
| 05:28.42 | Garoun|Loupana | and does the game yell MEGA COMBO, Nom? :P |
| 05:28.52 | Neuro_Medivh | why do you need that many buttons, nom? Frostbolt is only one button |
| 05:28.53 | Nom- | Yes, it does. |
| 05:29.03 | Garoun|Loupana | so you can sit back like old Killer Instinct and watch your opponent in tears :) |
| 05:29.08 | malreth | He likes to pretend he's a rogue |
| 05:29.15 | malreth | oh wait... |
| 05:29.25 | Neuro_Medivh | Corrodias, #show <spell> will show the cooldown timer and range feedback on a macro |
| 05:29.41 | Nom- | There's so many specials to use as a mage (especially in PvP) lol |
| 05:29.47 | Nom- | I don't have keys bound for buffs |
| 05:30.01 | Neuro_Medivh | me either |
| 05:30.08 | malreth | same |
| 05:30.09 | Neuro_Medivh | anything out of combat, I use clicks for |
| 05:30.21 | Neuro_Medivh | except food/drink |
| 05:30.30 | Neuro_Medivh | but those are way over at the -= end |
| 05:30.37 | malreth | Ctrl-E, Ctrl-D for food drink for me |
| 05:30.45 | dukeku | :o |
| 05:30.53 | malreth | easy to hit in sequence |
| 05:30.56 | Garoun|Loupana | actually I was meaning something more like function grinding() { /castsequence reset=target/combat Curse of Agony, Corruption, Immolate, Wand} |
| 05:30.58 | Nom- | I got that bar which puts your pots, bandages gems etc all in one spot |
| 05:31.05 | Neuro_Medivh | autobar |
| 05:31.06 | Garoun|Loupana | and then in my macro box just have /scrip Grinding() |
| 05:31.06 | Corrodias | Neuro_Medivh: unknown option: modifier=alt |
| 05:31.11 | malreth | soon as mob dies, I feast |
| 05:31.15 | Neuro_Medivh | sorry, modifier:alt |
| 05:31.16 | dukeku | sent from a-boo--ooo---vee |
| 05:31.18 | Neuro_Medivh | not = |
| 05:31.21 | Nom- | http://standen.id.au/pics/WoWScrnShot_112506_210336.jpg <-- right hand side the vertical bar next to elk's buff bar |
| 05:31.39 | Corrodias | unknown option: target |
| 05:31.49 | malreth | Garoun|Loupana: yeah... that's not how macros work |
| 05:31.59 | Corrodias | (also changed to target:player |
| 05:32.04 | Garoun|Loupana | yeah I know :) |
| 05:32.04 | Neuro_Medivh | No |
| 05:32.08 | Neuro_Medivh | target=player is correct |
| 05:32.11 | Thunder_Child | killing your own food now mal? "soon as mob dies, I feast" |
| 05:32.21 | Neuro_Medivh | = is assignation not evaluation |
| 05:32.25 | Corrodias | how strange that they have different syntaxes for those two parts |
| 05:32.26 | malreth | really, at that point if you're writing an addon you can just instantiate a secure header and buttons and do everything that you want that way |
| 05:32.44 | Neuro_Medivh | essentially, that means "if modifier == alt, then target = player" |
| 05:32.57 | Neuro_Medivh | == is analogous to :, where as = still means = |
| 05:32.58 | Garoun|Loupana | ah ok, I'll keep that in mind, mal :) |
| 05:33.23 | Corrodias | unfortunately, since it still reads alt+shift as "not shift", i still can't alt+shift+2 to self-cast shift+2, even if i'm using a macro and reassign self-cast to CTRL |
| 05:33.57 | Corrodias | note my displeasure at this point that you can't set the self-cast key to "none" |
| 05:34.11 | Neuro_Medivh | that's where you disable self-cast |
| 05:34.18 | Neuro_Medivh | and that's a known issue btw |
| 05:34.27 | Corrodias | what's the known issue, and how do i disable it? |
| 05:34.34 | Corrodias | the fact that you can't disable it, perhaps? |
| 05:34.41 | Neuro_Medivh | You can disable it |
| 05:34.48 | Neuro_Medivh | there's a check mark somewhere |
| 05:34.49 | Corrodias | i don't see an option for none |
| 05:34.53 | Neuro_Medivh | to disable self-cast |
| 05:34.58 | Neuro_Medivh | it's somewhere nearby |
| 05:35.15 | Corrodias | there's an "auto self cast" that takes it a step farther, but that doesn't disable it entirely |
| 05:36.10 | Corrodias | auto self cast just makes you unable to cast spells on friendly players unless you target them first, from what i can tell |
| 05:37.09 | Neuro_Medivh | Nope, you're right, I was thinking of the auto self cast tick |
| 05:37.20 | Neuro_Medivh | I know they're planning on adding a "None" option though |
| 05:37.31 | Neuro_Medivh | probably will arrive thursday |
| 05:37.33 | Corrodias | do you happen to know what this "Antagonist" addon is? i can't remember when i got it, or why |
| 05:37.52 | Corrodias | oh, i think i've found the description |
| 05:37.54 | Neuro_Medivh | I *think* the other issue, the shift+other modifiers issue, is also on the fix list |
| 05:37.58 | malreth | enemy cast bars, right? |
| 05:38.13 | Corrodias | yeah. i don't think it ever did anything. maybe i didn't turn it on. |
| 05:38.21 | Corrodias | obviously i won't be missing it |
| 05:38.21 | Nom- | Antagonist shows like cooldowns on specials and stuff for your target |
| 05:38.24 | Nom- | It seems a little buggy |
| 05:38.32 | malreth | built-in in 2.0 anyways |
| 05:38.36 | Nom- | But yeah, when it works you can see the time left on someone's blink, or their counterspell |
| 05:38.40 | malreth | oh... that... |
| 05:38.41 | Nom- | no, it's not just cast bar |
| 05:38.44 | Nom- | It shows cooldowns |
| 05:38.50 | malreth | yeah, gotcha |
| 05:38.53 | Corrodias | or paladin bubble? |
| 05:38.59 | Nom- | Yes, pally bubble |
| 05:39.06 | Nom- | I've used it to time a pyro on the test realm |
| 05:39.11 | Nom- | Oh my god was that funny |
| 05:39.24 | Thunder_Child | be nice Corrodias |
| 05:39.33 | malreth | i pray to tom cruise |
| 05:39.34 | Corrodias | there's nothing nice about paladins :) |
| 05:39.34 | Nom- | Nope |
| 05:39.36 | Neuro_Medivh | No, we can't |
| 05:39.39 | Nom- | Only priests with mass dispel |
| 05:39.41 | Nom- | And not until 70 |
| 05:39.48 | Neuro_Medivh | but on the bright side, horde get pallies now! |
| 05:39.49 | Thunder_Child | ...priest can dispell it? |
| 05:39.53 | Kaso | sorta |
| 05:39.54 | Corrodias | brb again (that cabbage a few days ago was a bad idea) |
| 05:40.03 | Kaso | its not as easy as people make it sound |
| 05:40.04 | Nom- | Thunder_Child: at 70 with mass dispel, yes |
| 05:40.20 | Nom- | Or whenever you get mass dispel |
| 05:40.32 | Kaso | first it has a 1.5 second cast, second it removes a random buff, so we often dont actually remove the shield first time |
| 05:40.54 | Thunder_Child | why is that the ONLY thing that works? |
| 05:41.01 | Kaso | hm? |
| 05:41.27 | Neuro_Medivh | because pally bubble is intended to be nigh-impossible to remove? |
| 05:42.09 | Kaso | we can also remove Iceblock and banish, but noone cases about that stuff ;> |
| 05:42.22 | Thunder_Child | well atm it IS impossable to remove it i belive |
| 05:43.15 | SP|Sorren | i thought you could mass dispel it? |
| 05:43.28 | Kaso | he means atm in live |
| 05:43.33 | SP|Sorren | ic |
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| 05:46.11 | Corrodias | no, but see, Sorren has mass dispel in Live already. he's special that way. :3 |
| 05:46.52 | Corrodias | oh, about Ace. what shall i do for addons that depend on Ace? is Ace compatible with 2.0? |
| 05:47.02 | Kaso | i tell you though, its an awesome feeling to stop a paladins bubble hearthing |
| 05:47.16 | Neuro_Medivh | they say it is |
| 05:47.35 | Thunder_Child | corr, they ahve a 2.0 ace |
| 05:47.57 | Neuro_Medivh | in some cases, they have 2.1! |
| 05:47.57 | Corrodias | i dont see one on wowace |
| 05:48.06 | Nom- | prolly in svn |
| 05:48.31 | Corrodias | oooh, hidden away where i can't find it, i see |
| 05:48.31 | Nom- | or |
| 05:48.40 | Corrodias | oops, brb again |
| 05:53.25 | pastamancer | Corrodias: http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=3001.msg59159#msg59159 |
| 05:55.57 | sylvanaar | was someone asking about self casting? |
| 05:56.48 | Corrodias | i was |
| 05:57.16 | Corrodias | and judging by how i feel, i have about two minutes to the next time i have to run off to the restroom |
| 05:57.44 | Thunder_Child | you have a clock on your bladder or something? |
| 05:58.19 | Corrodias | no, but see, i had a bunch of cabbage a few days ago and apparently that was a bad idea. |
| 05:58.43 | sylvanaar | Corrodias: did you get your answer |
| 05:59.06 | Thunder_Child | woah, i guess so |
| 05:59.17 | Thunder_Child | i did that with bran... |
| 05:59.35 | Corrodias | oh yeah, i ate a bunch of raisin bran, too, in the last couple of days |
| 05:59.55 | Thunder_Child | box of Crakelin oat bran in one sitting |
| 05:59.55 | Corrodias | i believe so. from what i understand, unless they separate the modifier keys so WoW understands them as "stacking", like they do in Live, i'm out of luck. |
| 06:00.16 | Neuro_Medivh | Corrodias, I'm almost positive this issue has been fixed for the next beta push |
| 06:00.25 | Neuro_Medivh | wait till thursday and see |
| 06:00.35 | sylvanaar | Corrodias: wierd - i must not have understood what you were asking |
| 06:00.36 | Corrodias | alrighty |
| 06:01.05 | Corrodias | i assume you mean the thursday that's in 2 days from now, because -next- thursday is after 2.0 goes live |
| 06:01.15 | Corrodias | *the next one after the one i just mentioned |
| 06:01.47 | Neuro_Medivh | Yes, refering to 2 days from now |
| 06:01.57 | sylvanaar | Corrodias: self cast works fine on tbc for me, i wasnt expecting any issues with it |
| 06:02.20 | Neuro_Medivh | sylv, there's an issue with alt or ctrl self-casting on shift+key bindings |
| 06:02.45 | Neuro_Medivh | because the client reads alt+shift as a new modifier combo, instead of alt and shift |
| 06:03.03 | Neuro_Medivh | of course, corro |
| 06:03.10 | Neuro_Medivh | there might be a simplier explanation |
| 06:03.11 | sylvanaar | ah ok - i just disabled auto self cast, and used the new system |
| 06:03.22 | Corrodias | auto self cast is an entirely different thing |
| 06:03.30 | Neuro_Medivh | you don't by any chance have alt-shift already defined somewhere? |
| 06:03.32 | sylvanaar | i used right click self csat |
| 06:03.45 | Corrodias | auto self cast just makes you unable to cast a beneficial spell on a target unless you target him first |
| 06:03.54 | Corrodias | *on a friendly |
| 06:04.10 | Neuro_Medivh | what he wants is for shift-1 to do a button, and alt-shift-1 to self-cast that spell |
| 06:04.15 | Corrodias | not that i'm aware, Neuro. i copied my key bindings from my Live install, and i certainly don't have it set there |
| 06:04.34 | sylvanaar | yeah, that shoould work |
| 06:04.35 | Corrodias | i shall check |
| 06:05.20 | sylvanaar | but - you need to define alt-shif as the self cast modifier |
| 06:05.40 | Corrodias | it's not bound |
| 06:06.07 | Corrodias | please try again, sylvanaar. i didn't understand what that means. |
| 06:06.12 | sylvanaar | one sec |
| 06:07.41 | sylvanaar | perhaps it only applys to mouseclicks |
| 06:08.17 | Inside | It's weird, the #wowi-lounge is probably one of the most active and actually helpful channels on all of freenode. |
| 06:08.21 | Inside | Are you sure you guys belong here? |
| 06:08.21 | Inside | >_> |
| 06:08.29 | End | I'm pretty sure we don't belong |
| 06:08.52 | Thunder_Child | some of us dont, it's true |
| 06:09.42 | Inside | How did it end up like this ~ It was only a kiss, it was only a kiss ~ |
| 06:09.42 | sylvanaar | im trying to locate the syntax for the attibuted unit keyword |
| 06:09.48 | Inside | Emo trance oh shi- |
| 06:13.42 | Corrodias | oddly, although wowace has an SVN system, i have to use svs.wowace.com to access the files |
| 06:13.50 | Neuro_Medivh | wow, the beta forums are still fubar |
| 06:14.12 | sylvanaar | Corrodias: ok basically do this "MainMenuBarArtFrame:SetAttribute("alt-shift-unit", "player"); " |
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| 06:14.50 | sylvanaar | but thats for an action button |
| 06:14.51 | Neuro_Medivh | sylv |
| 06:14.57 | Neuro_Medivh | that'll do button 1 |
| 06:15.01 | Neuro_Medivh | not button shift-1 |
| 06:15.18 | Corrodias | arr. i'll just hope it works how i like on thursday. |
| 06:16.57 | Corrodias | brb again |
| 06:24.00 | GremWarsong | How do I point to my tga if it's in Interface/Addons/MyAddon/images/circle.tga |
| 06:24.09 | GremWarsong | Just like that? Except with the double \\ or whatever |
| 06:24.17 | SP|Sorren | pretty much |
| 06:24.32 | GremWarsong | Alright, solid |
| 06:24.46 | SP|Sorren | for some reason, when i use my mouse wheel to scroll in firefox it scrolls irc too |
| 06:24.54 | SP|Sorren | its getting rather annoying ;o |
| 06:25.03 | GremWarsong | It's a feature! |
| 06:25.10 | SP|Sorren | i sure hope not :P |
| 06:27.26 | Nom- | IE7 is soooo annoying |
| 06:27.51 | Corrodias | somehow, that doesn't surprise me |
| 06:28.06 | Neuro_Medivh | every os sucks |
| 06:28.28 | Neuro_Medivh | www.deadtroll.com/video/ossuckscable.html for proof |
| 06:29.11 | GremWarsong | So is it possible to have transparency in a TGA? |
| 06:29.54 | Thunder_Child | i dunno, Sun's OS looks interesting |
| 06:29.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | mmhmm |
| 06:30.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | grem, alpha channels |
| 06:30.04 | End | GremWarsong: yes |
| 06:33.23 | Corrodias | it seems that ace 1.3.1 isn't 2.0-compatible |
| 06:33.41 | Neuro_Medivh | why would it be? |
| 06:33.50 | Corrodias | because i want it to be |
| 06:34.00 | Neuro_Medivh | why not use ace 2.0? |
| 06:34.10 | Corrodias | i don't know where to find it |
| 06:34.28 | GremWarsong | Is it possible to have alpha on a frame backdrop? Not just texture |
| 06:34.42 | Corrodias | unless "Ace2" is compatible with "Ace" addons |
| 06:35.08 | Neuro_Medivh | Corrodias, easiest way is to download any of the ace addons from wow.interface.com for BC, and get ace from there |
| 06:35.10 | GremWarsong | Im using SetBackdrop on my frame, and need that backdrop to obey alpha transparency, is that possible? |
| 06:35.13 | Thunder_Child | use the aompatability acr |
| 06:35.15 | Thunder_Child | ace* |
| 06:35.31 | Thunder_Child | http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/Ace2/ |
| 06:35.34 | Iriel | GremWarsong: I believe it does |
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| 06:36.02 | GremWarsong | Okay |
| 06:36.03 | Corrodias | now, that's Ace2. can i ditch Ace if i have Ace2? |
| 06:36.20 | Neuro_Medivh | btw, this is why I avoid ace mods =) |
| 06:37.09 | GremWarsong | Can anyone give a quick technical rundown on how to add transparency to a tga? |
| 06:37.16 | GremWarsong | does it need to be on a seperate layer? |
| 06:37.44 | grimman|afkish | Create an alpha channel. |
| 06:37.45 | Corrodias | br bagain |
| 06:38.36 | grimman|afkish | You have a channel palette containing Red, Green and Blue. If there's a fourth channel already (Alpha 1 normally) that's what you use to define visible regions, otherwise you create one. |
| 06:38.50 | GremWarsong | Alright, thanks =) |
| 06:38.54 | Thunder_Child | Corr sorry use this link http://www.wowace.com/files/index.php?path=Ace2/ |
| 06:39.16 | Corrodias | that's still Ace2. is that compatible with addons that depend on good old Ace? |
| 06:39.24 | End | no |
| 06:39.32 | End | Ace2 is a complete rewrite |
| 06:39.40 | Corrodias | this brings me back around to the beginning of the circle |
| 06:39.48 | End | Ace2 is also intended to be embedable |
| 06:39.49 | Thunder_Child | and any addon that used ace cant work after the patch anyways |
| 06:39.50 | End | while Ace is not |
| 06:40.13 | Corrodias | so... all addons that use Ace (and not Ace2) will be dead? |
| 06:40.21 | End | unless ported, yes |
| 06:40.24 | Corrodias | unless of course.. yeah |
| 06:40.53 | Kaso | on the bottom right tooltip on here, the resiliance wording feels a touch verbose, can anyone think of a better way to put it? http://kasoo.net/img/imgs/ver1.2.png |
| 06:41.05 | End | (I suppose it might be possible Ace 1.3 could be ported, but the AddOn would probably still needed to be updated either way) |
| 06:41.23 | End | (And Ace2 is usually considered far superior) |
| 06:41.31 | Corrodias | alright, i'll work on this information and keep going |
| 06:42.49 | End | Kaso: so they stopped giving the "internal" resiliance values? |
| 06:43.24 | Kaso | hu? |
| 06:43.27 | End | or what? |
| 06:43.31 | End | well |
| 06:43.32 | Neuro_Medivh | I think that's an addon |
| 06:43.36 | Neuro_Medivh | that's translating |
| 06:43.37 | End | ahhhh |
| 06:43.37 | End | ok |
| 06:43.40 | Kaso | yah |
| 06:43.48 | Kaso | top is that tooltip as standard |
| 06:43.56 | End | that makes more sense to me now :P |
| 06:44.18 | Kaso | but the way i have it feels a bit long |
| 06:44.23 | End | yeah |
| 06:44.24 | End | I agree |
| 06:44.40 | End | although, personally I'd normally want to see resilence value anyways |
| 06:45.38 | Kaso | it's going to be togglable ofc, but in full on mode its going to display every as it would be in 1.x wow, percentages and none of that socket nonsense |
| 06:46.16 | Neuro_Medivh | it'd be cool if you could dynamically toggle it |
| 06:46.30 | Neuro_Medivh | hold shift button down and it changes modes |
| 06:47.06 | Kaso | thats an idea |
| 06:47.26 | Neuro_Medivh | so you could just mouseover, hit shift bar to see the 'real' values, then let go and it's back to normal |
| 06:47.49 | Neuro_Medivh | i.e. shift inverts whatever you have it set for |
| 06:48.23 | Kaso | yah i like that, ill throw in a keybind to remove my formatting on the fly |
| 06:48.59 | Kaso | but, on the actual wording of resiliance, any ideas? that was the only one which i couldnt copy an exisitng example |
| 06:50.08 | Corrodias | atlas, line 87, attempt to call a table value. argh. |
| 06:50.32 | Kaso | corrodias |
| 06:50.50 | Kaso | check out AL's lua 5 -> 5.1 converting script on wowi |
| 06:51.10 | Kaso | automates adding pairs() and changing getn etc |
| 06:51.15 | Corrodias | arr. i need to get and install lua. for that, i need to finish downloading a linux iso to install onto a virtual machine. |
| 06:51.31 | Kaso | wtf? |
| 06:51.43 | Kaso | what os are you using atm? |
| 06:51.50 | Corrodias | the Lua interpreter at lua.org is distributed as linux source code |
| 06:52.00 | Kaso | theres a link to binaries |
| 06:52.01 | Corrodias | windows xp, we'll say |
| 06:52.21 | Kaso | http://luaforge.net/frs/download.php/1915/lua5_1_1_Win32_bin.zip |
| 06:52.35 | Kaso | unzip, and run |
| 06:52.39 | Corrodias | oh, hey, you're right. didn't even see the binaries link on top. |
| 06:52.44 | Kaso | :> |
| 06:52.54 | Kaso | How does Equip: Reduces chance to be critically hit by $% and damage received from critical hits by $%. sound |
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| 06:54.55 | ckknight | hey all |
| 06:56.03 | SP|Sorren | hi. |
| 06:56.21 | Inside | Hi ckknight |
| 06:56.22 | Corrodias | i am really not sure |
| 06:56.36 | ckknight | no, Inside |
| 06:56.38 | ckknight | just no. |
| 06:59.53 | Corrodias | Lua works just fine. time to see if that script did enough. it made changes, alright |
| 07:00.24 | Corrodias | huzzah |
| 07:01.07 | GremWarsong | What event triggers when you move a horizontal slider? |
| 07:01.55 | Iriel | the OnValueChanged handler should be invoked |
| 07:02.17 | GremWarsong | Hmm |
| 07:02.33 | GremWarsong | I thought that also, doesnt seem to though |
| 07:02.46 | GremWarsong | Im probably doing something stupid |
| 07:03.41 | Iriel | pastey your code? |
| 07:04.15 | Corrodias | PASTEY |
| 07:04.22 | Corrodias | what pastey needs is a mascot |
| 07:04.46 | norgs | someone mentioned a boob with a nipple pastey on it... |
| 07:05.03 | GremWarsong | http://pastey.net/2832 |
| 07:05.25 | GremWarsong | Most of that code is generated with WoW UI Designer |
| 07:06.10 | GremWarsong | Hmm, maybe that scripts tag should go inside the Slider object instead of the slider frame |
| 07:06.13 | Corrodias | so what did the auctioneer pack's "BottomFeeder" do, before it was taken offline? |
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| 07:06.34 | s|loup | morning |
| 07:06.45 | zenzelezz | correct |
| 07:07.08 | norgs | NSFW: http://www.dirtyweekendshop.com/images/1103.jpg |
| 07:07.12 | GremWarsong | stupid WoW UI Designer |
| 07:08.05 | Corrodias | you wouldn't happen to be that designer, would you? |
| 07:08.15 | norgs | Corrodias: It made me heaps and heaps of gold... |
| 07:08.41 | Inside | heaps and heaps of gold? What did e_e |
| 07:08.50 | Corrodias | i desire more specific information of what it did, not the consequences of what it did |
| 07:09.29 | Iriel | The name is a reasonable hint, coupled with the description of its result and the context |
| 07:09.47 | Corrodias | i have absolutely no idea. i'm not good at hints. |
| 07:10.00 | Corrodias | why are you talking about hints? can't you just say it? :( |
| 07:11.13 | Inside | http://www.wowgoldtricks.com/p/bottomfeeder-enjoy-it-while-it-lasts/ |
| 07:11.48 | Inside | interesting |
| 07:11.48 | Inside | >_> |
| 07:11.49 | Corrodias | ooh. yeah, kinda nifty. |
| 07:11.57 | Inside | I think it's gonna be broken in 2.0? |
| 07:12.05 | Corrodias | next issue: AL's updater gives a warning that it can't automatically update this line, "function chatPrint(...)" |
| 07:12.51 | Corrodias | probably |
| 07:12.53 | Iriel | lua 5.1 does ... very differently |
| 07:12.57 | Iriel | you'll have to fix it manually |
| 07:14.00 | Corrodias | i'll try to learn how by reading the lua.org manual, but i'd appreciate some direction |
| 07:14.47 | Iriel | Well, what does that function do with the 'arg' variable? |
| 07:15.02 | Inside | Publisher<MouseMovedEvent> mMouseMovedPub; |
| 07:15.03 | Inside | Publisher<MouseReleasedEvent> mMouseReleasedPub; |
| 07:15.03 | Inside | Publisher<MousePressedEvent> mMousePressedPub; |
| 07:15.03 | Inside | Publisher<KeyPressedEvent> mKeyPressedPub; |
| 07:15.03 | Inside | Publisher<KeyReleasedEvent> mKeyReleasedPub; |
| 07:15.05 | Inside | fudge |
| 07:15.12 | Inside | I need a new keyboard |
| 07:15.33 | Corrodias | arg? uh.. "for i=1, #(arg) do // if i==1 then msg = arg[i] // " etc... |
| 07:15.45 | Corrodias | with me putting in // as line breaks here |
| 07:15.49 | Iriel | okay, that becomes |
| 07:16.13 | Iriel | for i = 1, select('#', arg) do if i == 1 then msg = (select(i, ...)) |
| 07:16.29 | Iriel | though pastey the whole function and I suspect we can get it down to 2 much more efficient lines |
| 07:16.37 | Corrodias | i'm on it |
| 07:16.40 | Iriel | something like msg = strjoin(" ", ...) |
| 07:16.52 | Neuro_Medivh | GAH, beta forums still fubar, wtf |
| 07:17.34 | Iriel | Because, for all of its coolness, AL's updater doesn't know how to refactor code to use the new API goodies. |
| 07:17.35 | ckknight | this whole operation is fubar, soldier </gay lisp> |
| 07:17.58 | Corrodias | yeah. i mean, until these addons are updated, i'll just be satisfied with making them work, even if it's inefficient. |
| 07:18.10 | Corrodias | pastey's a bit slow... |
| 07:19.16 | Corrodias | http://wowi.pastey.net/2833 |
| 07:20.50 | ckknight | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:20.53 | Iriel | http://wowi.pastey.net/2834 |
| 07:20.54 | ckknight | I know, I'm a dick |
| 07:21.23 | ckknight | I like Iriel's better anyway. |
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| 07:21.53 | Corrodias | thanks a bunch. hopefully i won't have to come knocking on your door for every little ... thing, now that you pointed me toward "select" |
| 07:22.12 | ckknight | oh, here's something I learned yesterday, that everyone must know of: |
| 07:22.45 | ckknight | unpack({1, nil, 3, nil, 5, nil, 7}, 4, 7) => nil, 5, nil, 7 |
| 07:23.13 | Iriel | interesting |
| 07:23.20 | Elkano | what of that did you lern? 2nd and 3rd parameter? |
| 07:23.23 | Neuro_Medivh | OMG, secrets of the universe, UNLOCKED |
| 07:23.33 | ckknight | Elkano, yes. |
| 07:23.40 | ckknight | that you can specify a start and finish |
| 07:23.50 | ckknight | which allows you to unpack with embedded nils |
| 07:23.53 | ckknight | instead of relying on #t |
| 07:24.05 | SP|Sorren | cool. |
| 07:24.21 | ckknight | Neuro_Medivh, I bet you just used the cheat code to unlock the secrets. |
| 07:25.17 | Neuro_Medivh | Nah... if I had cheat codes, I'd be in God Mode by now =) |
| 07:25.33 | Neuro_Medivh | though, I do feel like a diety in my own mind |
| 07:25.40 | ckknight | hey, me too |
| 07:26.04 | ckknight | only my beliefs consist of us starting out in "God Mode" and putting ourselves into our current fleshy state. |
| 07:26.30 | Corrodias | so if a function takes "..." as a parameter, i need to look for any usage of "args" in the function? |
| 07:26.36 | Corrodias | if it never uses args, i can ignore it? |
| 07:26.45 | Iriel | arg, singular |
| 07:26.56 | Corrodias | oh. arg, then |
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| 07:31.18 | Corrodias | "for c=1, arg.n, 1 do" becomes... "for c=1, select(n, arg), 1 do"? and "arg[c]" becomes "select(c, arg)"? i'm not so sure about that first one, though. i don't know what arg.n might mean. |
| 07:31.39 | Iriel | select('#', ...) -- I typoed earlier |
| 07:31.47 | Corrodias | arg.n is that? |
| 07:32.06 | Iriel | and select(c, ...), though to be safer you'd do (select(c, ...)) |
| 07:32.07 | Iriel | yes |
| 07:32.17 | Iriel | arg.n is the number of entries in the arg array |
| 07:32.23 | Iriel | select(#, ...) is the number of entries in the ... list |
| 07:32.26 | Corrodias | actually, you said select('#', arg): [01:16] <Iriel> for i = 1, select('#', arg) do if i == 1 then msg = (select(i, ...)) |
| 07:32.49 | Iriel | Yes, I said I typoed earlier 8-) |
| 07:33.02 | Corrodias | ah, didn't catch that. good thing we came through here again. |
| 07:34.08 | Iriel | Basically, select('#', 1, 2, nil, "apple") returns 4 |
| 07:34.27 | Iriel | and select(2, 1, 2, nil, "apple") returns 2, nil, "apple" |
| 07:34.34 | Corrodias | i wonder why AL's script doesn't handle those automatically. i take it this probably gets more complex, or can, anyway? |
| 07:34.42 | Iriel | It can be fairly complex |
| 07:34.49 | Iriel | and there's often a better way to handle it now |
| 07:36.25 | Elkano | omg :) enjoy: http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=88389251&sid=1 |
| 07:36.59 | Corrodias | i'm not quite leet enough to write a batch file to execute this lua script on all the .lua files in a directory and output the results to a text file. not quite. |
| 07:39.10 | SP|Sorren | Elkano: this is going to delay my paper writing greatly. damn you! :) |
| 07:39.42 | Elkano | :P |
| 07:40.17 | zenzelezz | SP|Sorren: just stay clear of wikipedia if you're anything like me... I get lost there for ages |
| 07:40.52 | SP|Sorren | zenzelezz: i give wikipedia a wide berth these days |
| 07:40.59 | SP|Sorren | i'll look up one little thing |
| 07:41.11 | SP|Sorren | and end up reading like 10 articles before i remember that i'm supposed to be doing something |
| 07:41.17 | zenzelezz | indeed |
| 07:42.04 | zenzelezz | I like these stats on the WoW site... seems Runecloth is sold nearly three times as often on the AH as the closest competitor (Silk Cloth) :-o |
| 07:42.52 | SP|Sorren | I couldn't find Cat on the dangerous npc list :( |
| 07:44.26 | Elkano | but Defias Pillagers pwn almost as much as Onyxia does ^^ |
| 07:45.27 | Iriel | is it normalized by population? |
| 07:45.31 | Iriel | i.e. there's only one Onxyia |
| 07:45.36 | Iriel | there are many Defias Pillagers |
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| 07:48.23 | End | probably isn't |
| 07:48.28 | End | if I had to guess |
| 07:49.16 | Corrodias | what did that mean, "we blood elfs are imba" |
| 07:49.21 | Corrodias | what are imba? |
| 07:49.26 | zenzelezz | imbalanced |
| 07:49.28 | Nom- | This computer needs sooooooooo much more memory |
| 07:49.39 | zenzelezz | just another way to say "uber" |
| 07:49.42 | Nom- | Can't open enough applications |
| 07:50.02 | Industrial | thats not the rams fault |
| 07:50.03 | Industrial | its the OS |
| 07:50.21 | Nom- | I mean i've only got Outlook, Thunderbird, 2 x PuTTY, Firefox, IE7, MS Word, MSN Messenger, Office Communicator and Microsoft InfoPath open |
| 07:50.27 | Nom- | It shouldn't be THAT slow |
| 07:50.31 | SP|Sorren | man i've yet to see a high level alliance shammy |
| 07:50.37 | SP|Sorren | were they really hit that hard in tbc? |
| 07:50.43 | zenzelezz | funky... Vaelastrasz most dangerous, closely followed by Mangled/Ravaged Cadavers o_O |
| 07:51.12 | Industrial | SP|Sorren: hit hard? |
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| 07:51.44 | SP|Sorren | by a nerf |
| 07:51.51 | Industrial | SP|Sorren: When I found out they upped the xp on the beta and everything gets wiped I stopped playing |
| 07:52.02 | SP|Sorren | eh |
| 07:52.23 | Neuro_Medivh | I'll level up once they finish blade's edge, netherstorm and shadowmoon |
| 07:52.27 | Neuro_Medivh | I hate grinding to level |
| 07:52.52 | Industrial | I hate having to work for something that you know isnt worth it |
| 07:53.00 | SP|Sorren | netherstorm's turning out to be chock full of quests |
| 07:53.05 | Industrial | cmon I mean its a GAME |
| 07:53.07 | SP|Sorren | so far anyway |
| 07:53.15 | SP|Sorren | 66-67 sucked though |
| 07:54.03 | SP|Sorren | musta ran sethekk like 5 times for xp :( |
| 07:54.09 | Elkano | Nom-, shut down those MS programms and all will be fine ;) |
| 07:54.18 | Nom- | heh I can't |
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| 07:54.25 | Nom- | Adding one more to the list too...MS Project |
| 07:54.30 | Nom- | *sigh* |
| 07:58.00 | Corrodias | damn you, doctor blizzard! |
| 08:01.46 | Corrodias | now, for windows command syntax... i use | to pipe results of one command to another command. what if i do "dir *.lua /b | lua5.1 updateluawhatever.lua <filename>", is there a way to get each line from the first command to be inserted into the <filename> part and execute? |
| 08:03.10 | grimman|afkish | You output stuff to disk with > or >>. |
| 08:03.49 | grimman|afkish | 'dir /b *.lua > lualist.txt' will put all .lua filenames in lualist.txt |
| 08:04.19 | zenzelezz | don't think that's what he wanted to do |
| 08:04.21 | grimman|afkish | 'dir /b *.lua >> lualist.txt' will append to lualist.txt or create a new lualist.txt if it doesn't already exist. |
| 08:04.33 | grimman|afkish | Not saying that's what he wanted, I'm saying that's how it's done. :P |
| 08:04.35 | Corrodias | using output to a file, i already know how to do it |
| 08:04.45 | Corrodias | i was just hoping i could do it without relying on a temporary text file |
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| 08:06.37 | grimman|034 | Damnit... running Autopatcher in the background != good idea. |
| 08:06.48 | Amro | why? |
| 08:07.00 | grimman|034 | Anyway, afaik you can't do what you requested, quite simply. |
| 08:07.22 | grimman|034 | Unless the app itself accepts input files. |
| 08:07.30 | Corrodias | Found: table.setn(self.embedLines, 0); |
| 08:07.30 | Corrodias | WARNING [349]: Found a setn usage, needs to be manually updated if not in a string! |
| 08:10.21 | Corrodias | what shall i do with a setn? lua.org says you use "nothing" in its place, but i'm not sure if just removing the line is the answer, here. |
| 08:11.22 | Corrodias | http://wowi.pastey.net/2835 |
| 08:14.00 | VoidRaider | morning |
| 08:16.02 | Mery | morning |
| 08:16.19 | Thunder_Child | what they said |
| 08:16.26 | VoidRaider | :) |
| 08:17.24 | VoidRaider | Damn this NSIS Media mealworm :P |
| 08:17.47 | Corrodias | local funcObj = { f=hookFunc, a=arg, p=position } |
| 08:17.48 | Corrodias | mayb becomes...? local funcObj = { f=hookFunc, a=(...), p=position } |
| 08:18.20 | Mery | a = {...} I think |
| 08:18.26 | Thunder_Child | lookie lookie arena awards http://www.worldofraids.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1297 |
| 08:18.50 | VoidRaider | ahh nice :P |
| 08:18.53 | Thunder_Child | and sets |
| 08:18.58 | VoidRaider | very nice lol |
| 08:19.53 | Corrodias | what about "unpack(arg)" -> "unpack(...)"? |
| 08:20.30 | VoidRaider | yeah I guess so :) |
| 08:21.01 | VoidRaider | The rewards are changing every season aight ? |
| 08:22.12 | Thunder_Child | umm...i know the title is, i dont know if the rewards are |
| 08:22.21 | VoidRaider | oh :P |
| 08:26.01 | Corrodias | WoW warns me that "[[]]" is deprecated, inStubby.RegisterBootCode("myAddOn", "CommandHandler", [[ |
| 08:26.45 | Corrodias | but i think that's supposed to be in a comment, anyway. hmm. |
| 08:26.46 | VoidRaider | to what ? |
| 08:27.11 | Elkano | Corrodias, nested comments? |
| 08:27.26 | Corrodias | seems to be inside a --[[ comment block ]]-- |
| 08:27.28 | SP|Sorren | if its supposed to be a comment add --[[? |
| 08:27.32 | SP|Sorren | oh |
| 08:27.41 | Corrodias | but WoW threw an error on line 15, despite that. |
| 08:27.45 | Elkano | iirc, nested comments don't work anymore |
| 08:28.02 | VoidRaider | oh |
| 08:28.06 | Corrodias | i'm not sure what you mean by nested comments |
| 08:28.33 | Elkano | comments inside comments |
| 08:28.58 | Corrodias | oh. yeah, it's not a nested comment. let me paste the file |
| 08:29.31 | VoidRaider | --[[ -- TEXT ]]-- so that would break the code ? |
| 08:29.45 | Corrodias | i do'nt think he means like that, no |
| 08:30.19 | Corrodias | i'm thinking it's like java. the top level --[[ comment block ends as soon as it hits the first --]] end comment |
| 08:30.21 | VoidRaider | or it only applies to block comments ? |
| 08:30.30 | Corrodias | http://wowi.pastey.net/2836 |
| 08:30.35 | Elkano | well, maybe I remember wrong but I thin I heared that --[[ --[[ ]] ]] won't work anymore |
| 08:31.07 | Corrodias | of course it wouldn't. i can't believe it ever did. :o |
| 08:31.26 | Corrodias | Stubby.lua:15: nesting of [[...]] is deprecated near '[' |
| 08:31.39 | Corrodias | that's inside a comment, even accounting for the lack of nesting. WoW is insane. |
| 08:37.42 | Corrodias | i think auctioneer just might be one of these that i have to wait for the author to update. |
| 08:37.53 | Corrodias | too many weird errors |
| 08:39.27 | ckknight_ | use --[=[ ]=] |
| 08:40.47 | SP|Sorren | man this tiny heater sucks a lot of juice, everytime it starts up the lights flicker :/ |
| 08:44.18 | grimman|034 | Hm... you should get an old Athlon computer. ;) |
| 08:44.19 | SP|Sorren | is there a function for merging two tables? |
| 08:47.01 | SP|Sorren | i guess ill just write one |
| 08:47.23 | grimman|034 | That's the spirit. ;) |
| 08:47.54 | SP|Sorren | was just checking for ezmode ;) |
| 08:48.06 | grimman|034 | Hehe, I google for a bit but came up blank. |
| 08:48.33 | grimman|034 | And I'm looking for a cheap new mobile phone so I'm looking for that too. It gets prioritized. ;> |
| 08:48.43 | SP|Sorren | ;p |
| 08:49.25 | grimman|034 | Funny... found one that has what I need and no more. o_o |
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| 08:49.29 | grimman|034 | And it's dirt cheap. |
| 08:49.47 | SP|Sorren | good stuff |
| 08:53.55 | Corrodias | you know, that's pretty sadistic that you get a deserter debuff on the patch test realm |
| 08:54.25 | grimman|034 | A deserter is always a deserter. :P |
| 08:55.23 | Corrodias | i'm trying to test stuff. but of course, what matters is testing THEIR Stuff, not mine. :( |
| 08:56.11 | Corrodias | my druid is even less fearsome than usual with no talents |
| 08:56.20 | Corrodias | just thought you'd like to know that |
| 08:58.12 | SP|Sorren | i had a 70 druid follow me around and moonfire spam me a couple weeks ago :( |
| 08:58.17 | SP|Sorren | not even TBW could save me |
| 08:58.29 | Corrodias | what's TBW? |
| 08:58.36 | SP|Sorren | The Beast Within |
| 08:58.41 | Corrodias | and what's that? |
| 08:58.51 | SP|Sorren | hunter 41 pt beast mastery talent |
| 08:59.03 | Nom- | silencing shot ftw |
| 08:59.13 | Nom- | sadly |
| 08:59.18 | SP|Sorren | meh ;P |
| 08:59.26 | grimman|034 | Sadly? :P |
| 08:59.29 | grimman|034 | MM ftw. |
| 08:59.30 | Nom- | I had a hunter smack me up on the PTR (non-crit) for 3000 damage in under 2 seconds |
| 08:59.41 | SP|Sorren | oh? |
| 08:59.46 | Nom- | Now THAT was BS |
| 08:59.50 | grimman|034 | Hm. |
| 08:59.56 | Nom- | I was left on about 15 hitpoints, and silenced |
| 08:59.56 | SP|Sorren | arcane + silence + auto? |
| 09:00.01 | Nom- | Thankfully he didn't chase me |
| 09:00.05 | SP|Sorren | noncrit though |
| 09:00.07 | SP|Sorren | is strange |
| 09:00.07 | grimman|034 | I'd like to see that. |
| 09:00.11 | Nom- | yeah, non-crit |
| 09:00.13 | SP|Sorren | what did he hit you with for non-crit |
| 09:00.17 | SP|Sorren | throw in multishot too i guess |
| 09:00.25 | grimman|034 | That's more than 2 sek. |
| 09:00.26 | grimman|034 | sec* |
| 09:00.28 | Nom- | there were 3 damaging shots |
| 09:00.37 | SP|Sorren | that's at least 3 seconds ;P |
| 09:00.39 | Nom- | one of them hit for about 2000 damage |
| 09:00.42 | grimman|034 | Indeed. |
| 09:00.55 | SP|Sorren | none of our shots hit for 2k non-crit |
| 09:01.04 | grimman|034 | That may have been aimed + auto + multi then... but it's still too much. :P |
| 09:01.11 | grimman|034 | For non crits. |
| 09:01.12 | Nom- | oh actually now i think about it... i was using the stupid blizzard sct |
| 09:01.16 | Nom- | it probably was a crit |
| 09:01.27 | grimman|034 | Well in that case it could have been anything. ;D |
| 09:01.34 | SP|Sorren | my damage seems small in tbc |
| 09:01.37 | SP|Sorren | as bm |
| 09:01.42 | Nom- | That was freakin nasty tho |
| 09:01.44 | grimman|034 | Serves you right. :P |
| 09:01.52 | Corrodias | and i was so getting used to AxuItemMenus, making it easy to delete items in my bags. :( |
| 09:01.53 | grimman|034 | My MM damage is through the roof compared to before. |
| 09:01.53 | Nom- | a single autoshot would have been enough to kill me |
| 09:02.00 | SP|Sorren | meh |
| 09:02.03 | SP|Sorren | i still get crazy DPS |
| 09:02.04 | SP|Sorren | with SS |
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| 09:02.15 | grimman|034 | SS? |
| 09:02.16 | SP|Sorren | got a 2.7 speed xbow |
| 09:02.19 | SP|Sorren | serpent's swiftness |
| 09:02.25 | grimman|034 | Hm. I see. |
| 09:02.26 | SP|Sorren | comes out to 1.96 speed with SS + quiver |
| 09:02.26 | Nom- | well that dps was close to what my damn mage can do |
| 09:02.31 | SP|Sorren | real nice for steady shot |
| 09:02.38 | Nom- | and that's a full fire spec with combustion popped |
| 09:02.53 | SP|Sorren | had a mage crit me for ice lance for 1800 twice today |
| 09:03.28 | SP|Sorren | while frost novad |
| 09:03.28 | Nom- | shatter + ice lance man |
| 09:03.28 | SP|Sorren | i was so mad ;p |
| 09:03.28 | Nom- | it's gonna happen |
| 09:03.28 | grimman|034 | Steady shot is just awesome with Quick shots and Rapid fire. |
| 09:03.28 | grimman|034 | I'm positive I did 1500 DPS in one fight. |
| 09:03.29 | Nom- | at least frost is still viable for pvp |
| 09:03.30 | SP|Sorren | i still killed him though, ran into my freeze trap right at the end and i bandaged :/ |
| 09:03.48 | Nom- | lol he could have ice blocked and cancelled it |
| 09:03.56 | SP|Sorren | he double ice blocked earler |
| 09:03.58 | Nom- | ice block counters just about everything |
| 09:04.02 | Nom- | ahhht hat'd be why |
| 09:04.03 | SP|Sorren | to live through the beast within |
| 09:04.13 | SP|Sorren | otherwise he'd already be dead imo |
| 09:04.25 | Nom- | My favourite is to ice block just as someone winds up a trinket pyro |
| 09:04.34 | grimman|034 | Hehe, that quit message reminded me of a guild on my PVP server. ;D |
| 09:04.37 | Nom- | wait until it's just about to go off (while polymorphed) and then ice block |
| 09:04.39 | grimman|034 | <ME FARM OR FAMILY DIE> |
| 09:04.45 | grimman|034 | Turns out they ARE a bunch of farmers. |
| 09:04.57 | SP|Sorren | lol |
| 09:05.06 | Nom- | then turn around and counter-spell poly them and proceed to pwnsauce them |
| 09:05.16 | SP|Sorren | man i ran into a mage+hunter duo today in arena |
| 09:05.20 | SP|Sorren | mage would start invisible |
| 09:05.27 | SP|Sorren | hunter would find someplace to meld |
| 09:05.28 | SP|Sorren | was hell |
| 09:05.32 | Nom- | lol |
| 09:05.34 | SP|Sorren | lost every time, kept getting a warrior buddy |
| 09:05.45 | SP|Sorren | which is really no good against two kiting classes ;p |
| 09:05.48 | grimman|034 | http://loot.dlxmedia.net/?wowscrnshot_103006_160407.jpg |
| 09:05.53 | grimman|034 | There we go. Farmer guild. :P |
| 09:06.04 | Nom- | blazing speed is a real pissoff to melee classes |
| 09:06.07 | Nom- | i can tell you that lol |
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| 09:06.19 | SP|Sorren | real pissoff for hunters too ;P |
| 09:06.31 | Nom- | oo nice ui |
| 09:06.36 | Nom- | what's that section at the bottom? |
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| 09:06.52 | grimman|034 | DART mostly. And DAB for buttons. |
| 09:06.55 | Nom- | is that a custom display for the player too? nice |
| 09:06.59 | SP|Sorren | i really need to do something like that in tbw ;o |
| 09:07.05 | SP|Sorren | err |
| 09:07.06 | SP|Sorren | tbc |
| 09:08.16 | Nom- | what was the point of that ss btw? |
| 09:08.30 | Elkano | grimman|034: \o/ for using my addons ;) is that SuperInspect or what? |
| 09:08.31 | SP|Sorren | to show the farmer guild ;p |
| 09:08.46 | grimman|034 | It is indeed. |
| 09:08.54 | Nom- | oh lol |
| 09:08.58 | grimman|034 | And you still need to get your thumbs out of your butt and do EBB2. ;P |
| 09:08.58 | SP|Sorren | Elkano: i love your buffbars ;p are you ever going to get rid of the debug when you move it around? :p |
| 09:09.15 | Corrodias | for spell, id in pairs((bcTM_pairsByKeys(bcTM_TrackingAbilities))) do |
| 09:09.25 | Corrodias | bad argument #1 in pairs: table expected, got function |
| 09:09.43 | SP|Sorren | there's an updated version of that out |
| 09:10.01 | Corrodias | bc_trackingmenu? not that i saw |
| 09:10.20 | Elkano | oh, it's still in? ups ^^ I tried to solve the anchor bug so I put it in... it seems like I solved it in the wow2.x version so I realy should take the debug out again ^^ |
| 09:10.34 | SP|Sorren | i use it ;X |
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| 09:10.50 | SP|Sorren | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5668-bc_TrackingMenu%5BTBC%5D.html |
| 09:10.52 | SP|Sorren | there it is |
| 09:11.03 | Corrodias | bcTM_pairsByKeys returns an iterator, it seems |
| 09:11.16 | Tem | SP|Sorren, unless they've changed how that works, it will not work at all in the most recent beta push |
| 09:11.18 | Corrodias | oh, so he uploads to the "expansion beta addons" section. |
| 09:11.37 | SP|Sorren | it works |
| 09:12.15 | SP|Sorren | i used it to set off track elementals earlier today :/ |
| 09:12.27 | Elkano | but you should be able to remove the debug yourself, it's only a hook ^^ |
| 09:12.28 | Tem | oh go figure, he updated it to use the secure templates |
| 09:12.35 | SP|Sorren | Elkano: too lazy :P |
| 09:12.44 | Tem | looks like it can't be opened in combat though |
| 09:12.50 | SP|Sorren | yah |
| 09:12.51 | Elkano | grimman|034: there are still a lot of things ammo has to add to candybar ;) |
| 09:12.57 | SP|Sorren | but who changes tracking in combat? :o |
| 09:13.12 | SP|Sorren | well, maybe for track hidden |
| 09:13.15 | grimman|034 | Elkano: Stop blaming others. ;D |
| 09:13.27 | SP|Sorren | but most people think it sucks and never use it |
| 09:13.30 | grimman|034 | Btw, any of you guys use TrinketKeys or are you all using TrinketMenu? |
| 09:13.45 | grimman|034 | SP|Sorren: It does suck. ;D |
| 09:13.49 | SP|Sorren | lies |
| 09:13.54 | SP|Sorren | its great in the enclosed arena space |
| 09:13.57 | SP|Sorren | ... |
| 09:14.12 | SP|Sorren | and for that one quest ashenvale. |
| 09:14.13 | grimman|034 | I think maybe monkey or cheetah will save your ass a bit more. |
| 09:14.26 | SP|Sorren | eh |
| 09:14.29 | SP|Sorren | track hidden |
| 09:14.55 | SP|Sorren | not an aspect :O |
| 09:15.02 | grimman|034 | I loved how me and a pala met two rogues, I flared underneath us, 15 seconds later I flared behind a pillar. Pop goes two rogues. |
| 09:15.04 | grimman|034 | Oh... doh. |
| 09:15.12 | grimman|034 | I dunno wth I'm thinking. |
| 09:15.20 | grimman|034 | In that case I prefer tracking humanoids. :P |
| 09:15.30 | grimman|034 | Unless there are dual rogues skulking about. |
| 09:15.33 | SP|Sorren | track humanoids doesnt do much for arena, imo |
| 09:15.44 | grimman|034 | That depends on the arena though. |
| 09:15.54 | SP|Sorren | i've only played 2v2 ;o |
| 09:15.58 | grimman|034 | Same. |
| 09:16.08 | grimman|034 | But I want to know what way the opposing team is taking. :P |
| 09:16.38 | SP|Sorren | it doesn't show up for me until i can see them |
| 09:17.09 | grimman|034 | True, but they may be hiding behind pillars or under that bridge thingy etc. |
| 09:17.40 | SP|Sorren | with track hidden, you can find the shadowmelded NE on the other side of one of the pillars from the center ;o |
| 09:18.08 | Elkano | SP|Sorren, took debug out for tbc version ^^ |
| 09:18.15 | SP|Sorren | haha, thanks :) |
| 09:19.20 | Elkano | grimman|034, which superinspect are you using? |
| 09:21.16 | grimman|034 | Dunno... |
| 09:21.27 | grimman|034 | It's not a beta shot if that's what you think. |
| 09:23.06 | grimman|034 | ## Version: 1.192.sm8 |
| 09:23.55 | SP|Sorren | do the beta forums work for anyone? |
| 09:26.36 | nevcairiel | says server busy |
| 09:27.40 | SP|Sorren | guess its borked |
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| 09:53.37 | Corrodias | what's this? a hunter with a large snake for a pet? |
| 10:06.26 | Corrodias | crap, bigwigs has a ton of .lua files in a bunch of folders and isn't ready for 2.0 |
| 10:07.34 | SP|Sorren | snakes are tameable again |
| 10:07.39 | SP|Sorren | i wonder why the devs changed their minds |
| 10:08.22 | ckknight | so does anyone have a link to how the new honor system works? |
| 10:08.29 | ckknight | like all the little quirks and such... |
| 10:08.30 | Corrodias | because serpents are sexy |
| 10:08.41 | SP|Sorren | ckknight: i wish i did :( |
| 10:08.45 | SP|Sorren | i'd like to know myself lol |
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| 10:18.07 | Industrial | Anyone watch anime? |
| 10:18.15 | Industrial | Witch Hunter Robin any good? |
| 10:18.58 | [Ammo] | Industrial: FLCL is good according to my collegue :p |
| 10:19.10 | [Ammo] | if you like cars, Initial D |
| 10:19.11 | Industrial | flcl> |
| 10:19.13 | Corrodias | WHR: somewhat entertaining... but a bit weak |
| 10:19.27 | Corrodias | quite possibly more than a bit |
| 10:19.28 | Industrial | k |
| 10:19.53 | Industrial | I dont like the 'high school student ohmygodAWFULBIGFUCKINGMOSTER' thingy |
| 10:20.00 | Industrial | overdone |
| 10:22.13 | Industrial | http://localhost:88/anime |
| 10:22.14 | Industrial | er |
| 10:22.24 | Industrial | http://hellsblade.xs4all.nl:88/anime |
| 10:22.27 | Industrial | :> |
| 10:23.19 | Industrial | Hajime no Ippo was cool, 67 ep |
| 10:23.36 | Industrial | but you have to like boxing |
| 10:23.44 | VoidRaider | When I'm using CreateFrame do I have to use the pointer to access the frame ? or can I use its name ? |
| 10:24.58 | Industrial | you can use both |
| 10:25.24 | Industrial | but if you do local foo = CreateFrame('Frame') it will index faster cause its a local |
| 10:25.25 | VoidRaider | ah ok thx :) |
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| 11:44.41 | GremWarsong | Which neutral auctionhouse is more popular? Tanaris or Everlook? |
| 11:44.43 | GremWarsong | Or are they shared? |
| 11:45.19 | AnduinLothar | shared |
| 11:45.36 | zenzelezz | along with Booty Bay |
| 11:45.59 | GremWarsong | k |
| 11:52.57 | Corrodias | somebody was mentioning a "fix list" before, for the incrememtal patches they put onto the PTR. where is that? |
| 12:01.23 | SP|Sorren | http://underthesunz.blogspot.com/ so true. |
| 12:03.56 | AnduinLothar | "It works on my machine" |
| 12:04.04 | SP|Sorren | srsly |
| 12:04.06 | SP|Sorren | i use that all the time. |
| 12:04.11 | SP|Sorren | because, well, it does. |
| 12:05.07 | zenzelezz | 13. "I haven't touched that module in weeks!" <--- reminds me of what a coder friend of mine once told me... while singing Borland's praises |
| 12:05.22 | zenzelezz | they'd used the same log function for years, and all of a sudden the compiler threw a fit over it |
| 12:05.31 | zenzelezz | the function hadn't been touched at all |
| 12:05.59 | Corrodias | "Items that are useable from player inventory with a cooldown will now update the cooldown in real-time." |
| 12:06.05 | Corrodias | how is this different from the current functionality? |
| 12:07.17 | SP|Sorren | before, they updated in fake time! |
| 12:07.20 | SP|Sorren | ... |
| 12:07.24 | SP|Sorren | i have nothing of worth to say. |
| 12:07.53 | SP|Sorren | maybe their spinners now work correctly? |
| 12:08.08 | SP|Sorren | in the past the spinner would go wonky on me if i opened/closed my bags |
| 12:09.27 | Corrodias | huh. could be. |
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| 12:21.26 | Corrodias | Neuro_Medivh kept mentioning a "fix list" for the patch test realm |
| 12:22.12 | Corrodias | and i don't think he meant the test realm patch notes |
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| 12:33.16 | Corrodias | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/patchnotes/alpha-beta-us.html -might- be it, but it keeps telling me "server is busy" |
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| 12:39.28 | Corrodias | hmm. if we're getting our new Talents on tuesday, i need to get to work on my respec NOW. |
| 12:39.41 | Corrodias | arcane mage? frost mage? oh the choices! and my poor druid |
| 12:41.08 | Corrodias | he will be a tree :( |
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| 12:41.48 | Corrodias | i'm watching a video of a frost mage and it looks pretty nice. i -really- want Ice Barrier. |
| 12:47.55 | Corrodias | Arcane doesn't look shabby either, though, and Fire is just scary. |
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| 12:52.40 | Corrodias | i know that the "right" spec depends on my favored playstyle, but i don't yet know how it want to play the mage... but i do know i want that shield >_> |
| 12:53.04 | GremWarsong | Im using auctioneer, what would cause my scans to not save? |
| 12:53.15 | GremWarsong | I keep checking my savedvariables folder, but there's no data saved there from auctioneer or other mods |
| 12:55.24 | Corrodias | if you don't exit WoW properly, i guess it wouldn't save. also if the .toc is damaged. |
| 12:56.09 | GremWarsong | hmm, why would the toc be damaged? |
| 12:57.33 | GremWarsong | Looks fine to me, im using the latest Auctioneer release |
| 12:57.42 | GremWarsong | other addons dont seem to be saving variables either |
| 13:00.25 | GremWarsong | nm, found them, was looking in the wrong savedvariables folder =) |
| 13:04.19 | Corrodias | aha |
| 13:05.04 | Corrodias | Ice Barrier absorbs about 1000 damage. great at earlier levels, not so great at 60. |
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| 13:14.56 | Corrodias | aha, this talent calculator is showing the -maximum- values, or rather the max at level 60. |
| 13:19.52 | JoshBorke | morning |
| 13:20.48 | Industrial | mages are anoying |
| 13:20.55 | Industrial | especially if they use engineering |
| 13:22.30 | Corrodias | engineering? why? |
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| 13:28.48 | Corrodias | the benefit of Engineering to a mage is somewhat lost on me |
| 13:29.03 | Corrodias | or at least i don't see it, and won't until you explain what you mean |
| 13:29.23 | Industrial | you can totally get any meelee class to never hit you if you use bombs |
| 13:29.38 | Corrodias | booombs, i forget those. i must go research |
| 13:29.46 | Industrial | as a mage, together with chill effects etc |
| 13:29.49 | Industrial | bombs stun. |
| 13:30.33 | Industrial | so in a 1v1 thats so anoying :( I know cause i play warrior :P must be worse for paladins that dont have charge/intercept haha |
| 13:31.24 | Industrial | that reminds me i havent even looked at new wariior spec ;o |
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| 13:31.52 | Industrial | wowhead is so fun its like picking toys from toys'r'us |
| 13:31.56 | Corrodias | stuns for... up to 4 seconds from what i can see, although more readily available ones will be 3 seconds |
| 13:32.12 | Industrial | 'ooo i want that one |
| 13:32.12 | |Shadow| | whats the maximum amount of lines shown in the chat window? |
| 13:32.31 | Industrial | depends on the font size and chat window height |
| 13:33.02 | |Shadow| | max size window font size 16 |
| 13:33.03 | Corrodias | now i need to think about Engineering as a mage. |
| 13:33.20 | Corrodias | i had defaulted to herbalism & alchemy for a lack of anything more inspiring |
| 13:33.40 | Ktron | Corrodias, ranged stuns are basically a guaranteed and sometimes AE impact |
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| 13:34.07 | Ktron | Alchemy is solid though... nothing like seeing what people do when you down a lesser invis pot in PvP as a mage :) |
| 13:34.38 | Industrial | dont pick alchemy for your main |
| 13:34.41 | Corrodias | alchemy is not a bad fallback for any class, it seems |
| 13:34.55 | Industrial | use alchemy for your AH toon and send him herbs |
| 13:34.57 | Corrodias | well, except feral druids :3 |
| 13:35.13 | Industrial | freeing 1 slot, so you can get engineering goodies |
| 13:35.25 | Industrial | explosive sheep tee hee >:) |
| 13:35.25 | Corrodias | Industrial: you can't get a tradeskill very high until you get to level 40, can you? |
| 13:35.32 | Industrial | Corrodias: true |
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| 13:35.45 | Ktron | Anyone else realize that blood elf paladins have a ranged pull now? |
| 13:35.56 | Industrial | what mana tap? |
| 13:36.00 | Ktron | Yeah |
| 13:36.05 | Industrial | only on mobs that have mana |
| 13:36.12 | Corrodias | don't paladins also have a ranged stun attack? |
| 13:36.22 | GremWarsong | low range |
| 13:36.23 | Ktron | True, but that's still like 1/2 the mobs out there or more |
| 13:36.24 | GremWarsong | and only once a minute |
| 13:36.27 | Ktron | yeah, low range |
| 13:36.31 | Ktron | mana tap is 30 seconds |
| 13:36.43 | Corrodias | once a minute is about once per battle |
| 13:36.44 | Ktron | which is basically every other fight I'd guess |
| 13:36.47 | GremWarsong | Corrodias, I thought you could reach 300 in any tradeskill at any level? |
| 13:36.54 | Ktron | it takes you 60 seconds to kill things? |
| 13:37.05 | Corrodias | it does as a druid, or in a party |
| 13:37.10 | Corrodias | *party in an instance |
| 13:37.19 | Ktron | GremWarsong, no, none of the '2nd' level tradeskills |
| 13:37.37 | GremWarsong | Really? I didnt know that |
| 13:37.40 | Ktron | GremWarsong, not in engineering, leatherworking, blacksmithing... alchemy... |
| 13:37.47 | Ktron | I think that's it |
| 13:37.49 | Corrodias | my Hunter couldn't get past 225 or so in First Aid until he got to level 40, as i recall |
| 13:37.51 | GremWarsong | What about enchanting? |
| 13:37.55 | Corrodias | maybe it was engineering |
| 13:38.08 | Corrodias | no, it had to be first aid. i saved up cloth for him and was annoyed. |
| 13:38.21 | Ktron | No, first aid definitely has a level req too, cooking might too |
| 13:38.35 | GremWarsong | what about enchanting? |
| 13:38.35 | Corrodias | so all the production tradeskills |
| 13:38.40 | Ktron | yeah |
| 13:38.50 | Corrodias | enchanting should, according to that generalization, but i can't say for sure |
| 13:38.51 | Ktron | afaik, enchanting you can get to 300 whenever |
| 13:39.07 | Corrodias | well, it's modifying items, not making items. hmmmmm. |
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| 13:39.39 | Ktron | the ones you have to wait on are the ones that generally require another profession to do... And I think its exactly the ones that have quests you have to do |
| 13:39.53 | Ktron | I think |
| 13:40.04 | Corrodias | yes, the quests are where the level requirement shows itself |
| 13:40.06 | Ktron | well, alchemy doesn't have a quest, hm |
| 13:40.42 | Ktron | I know engineering, first aid, smithing, and leatherworking have level reqs |
| 13:40.53 | Ktron | I know none of the gathering professions do |
| 13:41.00 | JoshBorke | i'm pretty sure they all do |
| 13:41.16 | Ktron | No, you can max out herbalism at any level |
| 13:41.45 | Ktron | Anyway, to work with me |
| 13:41.47 | JoshBorke | when did you do that? |
| 13:42.07 | JoshBorke | it used to be that you could max out at any level but they changed that a few patches ago |
| 13:42.14 | Ktron | hm... I'm not sure, maybe it was pre that patch |
| 13:42.31 | Ktron | Be back later |
| 13:42.33 | Corrodias | well, i need to think about my mage's talent layout in 2.0. i think i'm still going to go for Fire with a little Arcane. |
| 13:43.04 | GremWarsong | Is there a mailbox in Booty Bay? lol |
| 13:43.04 | Industrial | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent-bc=LAM0dAbcZqV0VMxMVZf |
| 13:43.08 | Industrial | how does that look? |
| 13:43.15 | Industrial | Given ill use a 2handed mace |
| 13:43.21 | Industrial | (the unstoppable force) |
| 13:43.30 | Corrodias | sorry, i'm not familiar enough with warriors. |
| 13:43.36 | Corrodias | booty bay... yes. down by the bank. |
| 13:43.57 | Industrial | 26/30/5 wicked. way deep into both trees lol :P |
| 13:44.50 | Corrodias | how about this? those 2 points in Magic Attunement can float around freely. i'm not sure where they should go. http://www.wowhead.com/?talent-bc=obxVbZxxMzfccReRt0h |
| 13:46.30 | Thardal | imo you need piercing howl |
| 13:47.15 | Corrodias | Thardal: piercing howl? for the warrior? |
| 13:47.32 | Industrial | I like the new anger management |
| 13:47.32 | Thardal | no for the warlock~~ |
| 13:47.37 | Industrial | 1 rage every 3 sec |
| 13:48.17 | Corrodias | after 15 seconds, you could use one of your 5-rage attacks |
| 13:48.39 | Industrial | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=pMGxdNboVzVx0V0o |
| 13:48.41 | Industrial | this is me now |
| 13:49.07 | Industrial | I know I should have gone with unbridled wrath |
| 13:49.10 | Industrial | :P |
| 13:50.46 | Thardal | what i dont like is that arms still has only trash talents at t1 |
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| 13:51.32 | Industrial | yea |
| 13:53.24 | Corrodias | i'm toying with a build like this, in my mind, as an alternative to the deep fire build i posted a minute ago: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent-bc=RbxVc0fzxIzioZMAM0R0x |
| 13:54.38 | Corrodias | although the first tier frost would be kind of iffy |
| 13:55.26 | Corrodias | i like the whole critical strike damage bonus of frost spells being 200% instead of 50% |
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| 13:58.14 | Corrodias | there aren't many freezing effects, and there aren't many slow-cast, high-damage frost spells. :/ Shatter looks tricky to use. |
| 14:00.58 | Corrodias | maybe this, instead: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent-bc=RbxVc0fzxIziZZbAG0z0x |
| 14:01.05 | Corrodias | well, i'm going to go to bed now, for just a few hours :( |
| 14:01.28 | Mery | you don't really need a long cast time high damage opener imo, because opening with a frostbolt from max range usually gives you 3 frostbolts + 1 fireblast before the (melee mob) has reached you |
| 14:01.54 | Thardal | why would you spec to 40 arcane and not get slow |
| 14:02.17 | Corrodias | will it stack with Chill effects from frost spells? |
| 14:02.32 | Thardal | chill doesnt slow casting |
| 14:02.59 | Corrodias | Mery: i'm thinking of fights against multiple enemies, now |
| 14:03.46 | Mery | hmm yeah those can be a mess =P |
| 14:05.27 | Corrodias | can you depend enough on blizzard+frostbite to freeze them so you can hit them with a good chance of a 300% damage crit CoC? this is wonder. maybe i should forget about using Frostbite, get Slow & the other 2 points into Improved Blizzard... |
| 14:05.45 | Corrodias | cold snap's 10 minute cooldown makes it too infrequent for me to understand how to use it effectively |
| 14:06.24 | wereHamster | Corrodias, play more often :P |
| 14:07.04 | Corrodias | a while back, someone was mentioning to me a "shatter mage" being useful in the jin'do fight. i didn't check into what he would be doing, silly me. |
| 14:13.11 | Corrodias | okay... now my sleepy. i'd like to play more often but i tend to spend more time working over specs and addons than actually playing. |
| 14:15.53 | grimman|034 | Crap. I bought a phone for 3x the amount of money I was planning on spending. >_< |
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| 15:14.35 | malreth | Someone please stop me... i fear I may do actual bodily harm! |
| 15:14.48 | grimman|034 | Hm? |
| 15:15.13 | malreth | uh... i mean... Good morning! |
| 15:15.20 | haste | Is it now I should reply "Pics, or it didn't happen!"? |
| 15:15.41 | malreth | Faithkills is back |
| 15:15.57 | malreth | and he only said 'twitch' once in his post |
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| 15:16.09 | malreth | he's getting slow and feeble in his old age |
| 15:16.22 | malreth | he also didn't mention his mother |
| 15:17.29 | grimman|034 | ? |
| 15:17.38 | malreth | long story |
| 15:17.56 | malreth | he's a forum troll that popped up shortly after the 2.0 ui changes were announced |
| 15:17.56 | grimman|034 | I'm not doing anything in particular. |
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| 15:18.03 | grimman|034 | Uh huh. |
| 15:18.30 | malreth | the hallmarks of his posts include repetition of the word 'twitch' and numerous references to his mother who won't be able to play without addons like EM and Decursive |
| 15:18.53 | grimman|034 | Tough luck I suppose. |
| 15:19.14 | malreth | in every post, he will call WoW a FPS and make an appeal for the sake of disabled and elderly people |
| 15:19.25 | grimman|034 | Can't really see the fun in a game where you can use an autorepeat button to "win". |
| 15:19.42 | grimman|034 | lawl |
| 15:20.02 | grimman|034 | Cause there's alot of elderly people playing FPSs. :P |
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| 15:22.22 | grimman|034 | I hate the Microsoft Installer thingy. |
| 15:23.58 | KaoS` | why you get a mac :) |
| 15:24.46 | grimman|034 | Hrmpf |
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| 15:28.01 | KaoS` | what? :) |
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| 15:31.12 | grimman|034 | HAH, got it. |
| 15:31.31 | grimman|034 | "Bla bla requires that you run Windows 2000." |
| 15:31.39 | grimman|034 | Got it working under XP. ;P |
| 15:32.38 | malreth | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=32275880&postId=508211637&sid=1#257 |
| 15:33.16 | malreth | "now THEY tell us how to play? I say enough with that. We'll 'lern2play' on our own... By QUITTING!" |
| 15:34.23 | malreth | I never thought of myself as narcissistic but you know what? I AM! |
| 15:36.51 | malreth | oh... morning morning, Cairenn! |
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| 15:37.10 | Cairenn | hi guys |
| 15:37.18 | Cairenn | finally got my internet back |
| 15:37.26 | malreth | someone took it away? |
| 15:37.36 | Cairenn | died last night, been 10 hrs without |
| 15:37.58 | malreth | thank goodness internet isn't like virginity... you can always get it back |
| 15:38.08 | Kaelten | heh |
| 15:38.13 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 15:38.27 | grimman|034 | How terribly clever must you be to name a file "boost_log_vc71_mt_1_32.dll" and require "boost_log-vc71-mt-1_32.dll"? |
| 15:39.02 | malreth | grimman|034: that... that... oh man... |
| 15:39.15 | grimman|034 | Mmyes. |
| 15:39.43 | malreth | that's comedy |
| 15:39.46 | grimman|034 | So now I installed the "PC Suite" and it turns out the one app I needed doesn't install with THIS package. |
| 15:39.48 | grimman|034 | *cry* |
| 15:41.05 | Kaso | what's the opitional table arg of hooksecurefunc ? |
| 15:43.32 | Kaso | hooksecurefunc("GameTooltip.SetAction",func) |
| 15:43.36 | Kaso | would that work too? |
| 15:45.09 | malreth | i don't think that will work |
| 15:45.57 | malreth | you would do hooksecurefunc(GameTooltip, "SetAction", func) |
| 15:46.02 | Kaso | ah |
| 15:46.08 | Kaso | thats what the table value is for :> |
| 15:46.17 | Kaso | do i need to bother using hooksecure ? |
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| 15:47.00 | malreth | what you posted would try to find a global function with the name "GameTooltip.SetAction" which is NOT the same as the SetAction function that is in the GameTooltip object |
| 15:48.40 | malreth | i guess you can consider hooksecurefunc("SomeGlobalFunctionName", func) to be equivalent to hooksecurefunc(getfenv(0), "SomeGlobalFunctionName", func) but shorter to write |
| 15:49.05 | Kaso | i getcha |
| 15:49.13 | malreth | anyways... if you can do what you need to do in a secure hook then you should use that, IMO |
| 15:49.32 | Osagasu | Random Fact: James Bond was based off of a real secret agent of the Crown by the name of Henry Reisinger. Reisinger died in the line of duty before the first Bond book was published. |
| 15:49.40 | Kaso | that was my thinking, better safe than sorry, try to leave as much of the UI secure as possible |
| 15:51.22 | malreth | this new anti-perspirant doesn't work for jack |
| 15:51.35 | malreth | my pits are like the amazon right now |
| 15:51.59 | grimman|034 | Fascinating. |
| 15:52.12 | Kaso | thanks for the update |
| 15:52.13 | Cairenn | ewww |
| 15:53.36 | grimman|034 | I feel really dumb right now. |
| 15:53.45 | grimman|034 | I can't figure out how to transfer music to my phone. |
| 15:54.11 | grimman|034 | Well... the transfer part isn't hard at all, but it simply won't show up anywhere in the phone's UI. |
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| 16:07.37 | grimman|034 | Hammer? o_o |
| 16:07.54 | grimman|034 | << My reaction time is truly astounding! |
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| 16:20.49 | Antiarc | So 2.0.x next week. |
| 16:20.57 | grimman | Possibly maybe. |
| 16:21.01 | Antiarc | Possibly definitely. |
| 16:21.07 | grimman | Maybe! |
| 16:21.13 | Antiarc | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=51145118&sid=1 |
| 16:21.16 | nevcairiel | Definietly possible. |
| 16:21.20 | nevcairiel | Happens? maybe. |
| 16:21.33 | End | Possibly very very likely. |
| 16:21.39 | Antiarc | Well, planned anyway :) |
| 16:21.45 | End | yeah, planned :P |
| 16:21.46 | Antiarc | Barring major unforseen problems. |
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| 16:22.00 | grimman | Not next week. |
| 16:22.07 | grimman | It says so right there in the post. |
| 16:22.18 | grimman | 5th is the last regular PVP update, and patch != regular PVP update. :P |
| 16:22.24 | nevcairiel | read the full post |
| 16:22.43 | nevcairiel | We are currently planning to release this content update next Tuesday, December 5. |
| 16:22.50 | Antiarc | December 5 is next Tuesday. They say that they'll do one final honor calculation, but the rewards won't be available for purchase. |
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| 16:22.55 | Antiarc | ie, "The new honor system is in" |
| 16:23.10 | Antiarc | I'm just excited that I can finally formally abandon my 1.12 branches. |
| 16:23.57 | grimman | WHY do people insist on saying "FIRST!"? |
| 16:24.26 | malreth | attention whoring |
| 16:24.58 | grimman | Makes me want to sneak up behind them and yell "STABBED" with the appropriate action taken. |
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| 16:26.10 | grimman | http://www.jsayers.com/thingpart/thingpart82.jpg |
| 16:26.11 | grimman | lawl |
| 16:30.02 | Antiarc | http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/exercise.png |
| 16:33.09 | Antiarc | Man. I am really excited about the honor system, becausing having to compete for rank with people that share their account between three people so they can grind rank 24/7 SUCKS ASS. |
| 16:33.40 | End | yeah, that's a silly thing about the soon to be old honor system |
| 16:34.03 | grimman | And I can get rank14 gear with my secondary char. ^^ |
| 16:34.05 | grimman | Wie! |
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| 16:37.46 | malreth | Read Girly! |
| 16:37.48 | malreth | http://www.go-girly.com/go/1 |
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| 16:45.14 | Antiarc | I don't know what language Malreth's part message is in, but if I had to guess, I'd say it's a murloc speaking German. |
| 16:45.28 | Antiarc | Which, quite frankly, is a horrifying thought. |
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| 16:48.54 | nevcairiel | doesnt look much german to me, even with a murloc in mind |
| 16:49.13 | Mery | well if it is german I don't get it... |
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| 16:50.35 | Elkano | maybe welsh (or what the language spoken in wales is called) |
| 16:51.11 | nevcairiel | still looks a lot murloc'sih |
| 16:51.29 | Elkano | You no take candle! |
| 16:52.15 | nevcairiel | ever been to zangamarsh? You no take mushroom! |
| 16:56.02 | Elkano | mushroom? http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/badgers.php |
| 16:58.33 | Teomyr | i google'd for malreth's quit message |
| 16:59.25 | Teomyr | and the only pages i can find with that text are malreth's wowace forum posts and chat logs of his quit message |
| 17:00.55 | Fisker | does the new enchant mechanics apply in 2.0.x? |
| 17:00.55 | Fisker | the vanilla wow |
| 17:00.55 | End | only to new enchants |
| 17:00.55 | Fisker | i mean disenchanting :P |
| 17:00.55 | End | oooh |
| 17:00.55 | End | good question |
| 17:00.55 | End | (I don't know the answer though) |
| 17:00.55 | Fisker | in 2.0.x there's a level requirement based on item level |
| 17:00.55 | End | yeah |
| 17:00.55 | Fisker | :I |
| 17:01.05 | Fisker | gotta level enchanting quick then to be safe |
| 17:01.12 | Neuro_Medivh | yes, the new disenchant mechanics apply to everyone in 2.0.x |
| 17:01.49 | Fisker | ok |
| 17:02.01 | Fisker | then i must hurry |
| 17:06.40 | Kaelten | hrm I missed the disenchant changes |
| 17:06.44 | Kaelten | whats happening? |
| 17:09.05 | Neuro_Medivh | disenchant is now level based |
| 17:09.14 | Neuro_Medivh | but it's been that way for months |
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| 17:10.21 | Neuro_Medivh | well, not level based, skill based |
| 17:12.25 | grimman | Why? |
| 17:13.08 | Maldivia | because I could use another week, to fix the last problems with my addons |
| 17:14.13 | grimman | :) |
| 17:14.48 | grimman | I currently rely on a bug to fix the simplest of my two addons, the second one is Mauled By Blizzard(tm). |
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| 17:28.34 | Antiarc | I'm going to be interested to see how damage plays out in Naxx now |
| 17:29.00 | Antiarc | We usually have 4 mages and 3 rogues in the top 7 slots (our godlike fury warrior is also one of our best tanks, and ends up tanking most of the time, so he doesn't end up there). |
| 17:29.19 | Antiarc | With the rogues taking a ~8% damage nerf due to the weapon skill change, it should be interesting to see how the numbers shift around. |
| 17:30.27 | Shadowed | Not much i'd imagine |
| 17:30.48 | Shadowed | since ignite was fixed/nerfed mages wont be that high |
| 17:30.56 | Shadowed | that high = as high |
| 17:31.01 | Antiarc | Of the mages in the top 4, 3 of them are Frost. |
| 17:31.08 | Antiarc | Soooo.... |
| 17:31.09 | Maldivia | mage takes a 3% damage nerf |
| 17:31.26 | Shadowed | Either you have really bad rogues, or we have really bad mages then |
| 17:31.36 | Fisker | mages are supposed to outdamage rogues |
| 17:31.46 | Maldivia | depends on the fight |
| 17:31.48 | Shadowed | Warriors aren't suppose to be the best DPS in the game, but they are =p |
| 17:32.10 | Antiarc | Our rogues are phenominal, but our mages are geared to the teeth and tend to jump attack calls with trinketed attacks a wee bit too often :P |
| 17:32.12 | Kaso | well not any more |
| 17:32.24 | Shadowed | Kaso: eh? |
| 17:32.29 | Kaso | ragenerf? |
| 17:32.48 | Antiarc | DW fury wasn't really hit too badly. |
| 17:32.50 | Maldivia | have you actually done the math? |
| 17:32.54 | Antiarc | Which is the spec that is the problem anyway. |
| 17:32.55 | Shadowed | What Antiarc said |
| 17:33.22 | Antiarc | MS took the biggest hit. Even Endless Rage doesn't make up for it. |
| 17:33.23 | Shadowed | Warriors do the best damage with proper DW gear, and the rage generation is already pretty high, it's going to hurt the 2H Fury warriors more |
| 17:33.25 | Maldivia | som DW fury wars even got buffed with the rage change |
| 17:33.40 | Shadowed | Maldivia: Oh? |
| 17:33.51 | Antiarc | Shadowed: My warrior is currently 2H fury, and while I have lower rage gen in Beta than on Live, I haven't found myself hurting for rage. |
| 17:34.10 | Maldivia | Shadowed: depends on the weapons |
| 17:34.10 | Antiarc | The extra AP from imp zerker stance and Rampage combined with Flurry tends to make for very nice sustained rage gen |
| 17:34.24 | Antiarc | While I was trying MS, though, I -never- had rage. |
| 17:34.28 | Shadowed | Maldivia: Last I checked the new formula is based off speed I though? |
| 17:34.35 | Fisker | rogues can take it in the butt like warriors :( |
| 17:34.39 | Maldivia | Shadowed: yeah |
| 17:34.45 | Shadowed | Antiarc: Yeah, that'll be fun. I can hit about 2,000 AP self buffed with BS + Imp Berserker + Rampage 5 stack |
| 17:34.54 | Antiarc | Shadowed: My warrior's hitting 2600 on Beta :) |
| 17:35.02 | Shadowed | What level? |
| 17:35.04 | Antiarc | 64 |
| 17:35.07 | Shadowed | ahh |
| 17:35.16 | Antiarc | Though I was hitting 2400 at 60 |
| 17:35.21 | Shadowed | Damn you 2H warrior's and your ability to stack AP :( |
| 17:35.34 | Maldivia | but can you do a 42 yards attack, that crits for upwards 6k, and adds a 2k dot on top of that? |
| 17:35.45 | Antiarc | Yeah, only needing 7% hit is reeeeeally nice. |
| 17:36.05 | Antiarc | Can't do that, but then, I'm not mana-limited either. |
| 17:36.24 | Shadowed | do you have a profile? i'm still not sure how you'd hit 2400 AP still though, since I know most of our Warriors have maybe 100 more AP then me as 2H |
| 17:36.25 | Antiarc | White crits for about 1200ish, BT crits as high as 2200 |
| 17:36.43 | Antiarc | Not for my beta gear, but it's crap gear, mostly. |
| 17:36.56 | Antiarc | I'm also wearing half leather |
| 17:36.59 | Shadowed | for live I mean |
| 17:37.00 | Antiarc | I have all of 3600 AC in my DPS gear :D |
| 17:37.04 | Shadowed | ah that'd do it |
| 17:37.17 | Antiarc | For live, yes, but I replaced a lot of it in Outland |
| 17:37.23 | Antiarc | My live gear is craptastic :D |
| 17:37.27 | Antiarc | The warrior is an alt, though |
| 17:37.32 | Antiarc | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:37.42 | Shadowed | havn't had to drop into leather yet, but emps havn't dropped bracers |
| 17:37.43 | Antiarc | Rogue main: http://ctprofiles.net/40398 |
| 17:37.57 | Antiarc | http://thottbot.com/beta?i=4190 = :O |
| 17:37.59 | Shadowed | Outland stuff must have more STR/AP then I though |
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| 17:38.18 | Antiarc | Oh, druid boots. Check these out: http://thottbot.com/beta?i=2064 |
| 17:38.22 | Maldivia | hmm, how do I break a channeled spell, without moving/jumping? |
| 17:38.28 | Antiarc | There was -no way- that I could pass those up. |
| 17:38.30 | Shadowed | /script SpellStopCasting(); |
| 17:38.46 | Maldivia | nope, doesn't break channeled spells |
| 17:39.08 | Shadowed | odd |
| 17:39.14 | Cide | does cleartarget work? |
| 17:39.32 | Shadowed | Maldivia: On beta? I just tried it on live with a hearthstone and it worked fine |
| 17:39.43 | Maldivia | heartstone is not a channeled spell |
| 17:39.49 | Maldivia | Cide: nope |
| 17:39.57 | End | Shadowed: try breaking a bandage |
| 17:40.26 | End | (although, bandages seem to be slightly special, but they are channeled iirc) |
| 17:40.27 | Shadowed | yeah it doesn't |
| 17:40.29 | Antiarc | Shadowed: http://wow.tachyonsix.com/WoWScrnShot_111806_223535.jpg |
| 17:40.38 | Maldivia | Cide: although, I liked the channeled bug, with target changing :) |
| 17:40.40 | Antiarc | Popping the flask puts me over 2400 |
| 17:41.30 | Shadowed | i see |
| 17:42.02 | Antiarc | Though, I've now replaced that with Bladefist's Breadth |
| 17:42.10 | Antiarc | 2% crit and 200 AP is just sexah. |
| 17:42.55 | Shadowed | they wanted to get rid of BHB as fast as possible I guess |
| 17:45.13 | Shadowed | I assume jewelcrafting isn't in 2.0? |
| 17:46.35 | Laric | nope it is in the exp |
| 17:46.36 | Neuro_Medivh | pretty sure JC is in BC |
| 17:46.43 | Shadowed | alright |
| 17:46.48 | Kaso | Shadowed all the jewlcrafting trainers are in outlands or Belf/Draeni capitals |
| 17:47.30 | Shadowed | Yeah, that would make it a bit hard I suppose |
| 17:49.28 | Antiarc | If I was in charge of deployment, I'd put JC in the game so that random gems and recipes dropped, just to be a tease. :P |
| 17:49.42 | Antiarc | But leave the trainers in the Exodar/Silvermoon, so no one could get to them till Jan 16 |
| 17:50.38 | Shadowed | And what would you do when people complained on the forums? :p |
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| 17:50.53 | Josh_Borke | offer them cheese |
| 17:50.54 | Antiarc | Tell them that it's working as intended, please stop trolling, and then close the thread. |
| 17:52.23 | Elkano | "You can only becoma a jewelcrafter by finishing a long epic questline... may the force be with you..." ;) |
| 17:52.31 | Tain | I really love these stats, I can't stop checking them. http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/toplist/buttons.html |
| 17:52.51 | Antiarc | Elkano: I'm sending you my therapy bills if I suffer a psychotic relapse :P |
| 17:53.11 | Shadowed | Aren't they updated once a day tain? |
| 17:53.18 | Elkano | luckily I never played SWG |
| 17:53.36 | Antiarc | The Jedi grind had to be the worst mechanic ever devised for an MMO. Ever. |
| 17:54.19 | Antiarc | SWG did social stuff -wonderfully-, but that was about all it did well. |
| 17:54.27 | Elkano | nope, there was worse... "We have a hiden quest in this game that will get you something special!" - 6 month later, the quest was actually put in game... |
| 17:54.28 | Antiarc | It was a really pretty, really elaborate chat room and terrain simulator. |
| 17:54.54 | Antiarc | Elkano: I think the difference is that the whole Jedi thing is central to most all the Star Wars games. |
| 17:55.13 | Antiarc | You buy SWG with the dream of becoming a Jedi. That's one of the driving forces in the actual purchase. |
| 17:55.24 | Elkano | well, they even screwed it more by allowing everybody to roll a jedi soon after that... :/ |
| 17:55.25 | Antiarc | Rather than it being an easter egg or small bonus. |
| 17:55.30 | Antiarc | Yes, no contest there. |
| 17:55.46 | Antiarc | I'm of the opinion that SWG's design was horribly, horribly mismanaged |
| 17:56.13 | Tain | It would be virtually impossible to not have that opinion. |
| 17:56.22 | Elkano | and got worse every day... <3 Blizzard (sounds fanboy but hey, from a coder aspect I AM happy :) ) |
| 17:56.38 | Antiarc | SWG was my first MMO. WoW was my second. |
| 17:56.53 | Antiarc | It was like upgrading from a broken skateboard to a ferrari, as far as solid game design went. |
| 17:57.25 | Antiarc | I remember playing the original WoW beta and being shocked at the error conditions that were being caught and handled gracefully. |
| 17:57.34 | Antiarc | Stuff that would have just broken horribly in SWG. |
| 17:57.49 | Shadowed | Going from EVE-Online to WoW was fun, no spending 6 hours camping a gate to put up stations in 0.0 space |
| 17:58.07 | Antiarc | It was at that point that I became genuinely impressed with WoW's quality. I could tell that Blizzard cared about the product. |
| 17:59.18 | Tain | I still love EVE Online. It's completely different, and that's a good thing. |
| 18:00.05 | Xuerian | Except for deadspace, I agree. |
| 18:00.25 | Shadowed | I didn't care for it much, but I pretty much was out in zero space fighting the entire time, didn't like the "hard cap" in skills and the time to replace ships :/ |
| 18:02.10 | Tain | There's still nothing in any game I've ever played like a big fight with dozens of ships on either side. |
| 18:02.23 | Xuerian | Or hundreds. |
| 18:02.46 | Shadowed | Yeah that was fun, also doing stuff like gank runs with friges ( or was it fridges? ) against enemy corps was fun |
| 18:03.47 | Tain | And of course offline skill training gets much love. |
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| 18:04.28 | Shadowed | took to long at the higher levels though, and made it hard to test new ship or styles |
| 18:04.50 | Xuerian | It was also more rewarding to me than WoW was |
| 18:05.05 | Xuerian | Having ships and rep and knowing people felt more earned :P |
| 18:05.12 | Shadowed | That is true |
| 18:05.28 | Shadowed | was a larger gap between the people who knew how to play and those who had no idea |
| 18:05.29 | Antiarc | I didn't like EVE, but I think that's because it just wasn't my kind of game. Those I know who play it really enjoy it. |
| 18:05.51 | Antiarc | It's more of an empire-building game than an adventure/action game, and I've never been any good at empire-building. :) |
| 18:06.02 | Tain | Yeah it is a completely different type of game than WoW. |
| 18:06.56 | Antiarc | My kinds of games are UT, WoW, Zelda, Soul Calibur, various CRPGs. Usually very action-driven. |
| 18:09.50 | Tain | That's why I liked City of Heroes. Combat was much more frantic than WoW. |
| 18:10.42 | Xuerian | CoH had fun combat, and the cooperation between high and low characters was great for playing with friends... And of course there was flying... >_>. But I have to agreew ith Antiarc for every game mentioned. |
| 18:11.30 | Antiarc | Also, I am lusting so very horribly for Twilight Princess and am torturing myself by waiting until I can afford a Wii. ;_; |
| 18:12.21 | Tain | Better than torturing yourself by deciding to buy a Wii and not being able to find one. |
| 18:12.28 | Antiarc | Heh. |
| 18:12.35 | Shadowed | You can find one easly depending how much you're willing to pay actually |
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| 18:12.50 | Antiarc | Getting married just kills your disposable income. |
| 18:12.51 | Shadowed | The markup is around 60-70$ for wii's |
| 18:12.52 | Mery | well in europe you can't even buy one yet |
| 18:13.07 | Tain | Yeah you can buy anything depending on how much you're willing to pay. |
| 18:13.21 | Shadowed | true |
| 18:13.28 | Shadowed | the markup is no where near what the PS3 is at least |
| 18:13.44 | Drundia | morning everyone |
| 18:13.52 | Mery | good morning! |
| 18:14.03 | Antiarc | Morning! |
| 18:14.10 | Antiarc | The PS3 markup has been insane. |
| 18:14.12 | Tain | PS3 hardware is operating at a loss, how is that markup? |
| 18:14.13 | Tain | Oh |
| 18:14.16 | Antiarc | On eBay |
| 18:14.18 | Tain | On ebay and the such. |
| 18:14.34 | Tain | That's not markup. That's idiot tax. |
| 18:14.53 | Shadowed | impatience tax |
| 18:15.17 | Mery | well they could have stood in a line and get shot or robbed instead |
| 18:15.17 | Tain | You say tomato, I say idiot. |
| 18:16.00 | Antiarc | Honestly, out-of-shape geeky guys standing in line with $600 on their person just screams "rob me". |
| 18:16.13 | Shadowed | Antiarc: Actually people did get robbed |
| 18:16.16 | Antiarc | I know. |
| 18:16.20 | Antiarc | I'm just saying I'm not surprised. |
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| 18:16.31 | Mery | well a few years ago I did that for a cheap computer |
| 18:16.47 | Mery | like 80 people with about 700euro each |
| 18:17.00 | Mery | (and you only could pay cash there) |
| 18:17.48 | Tain | You robbed people? |
| 18:17.53 | Thunder_Child | oh, it sounded like a few years ago you robed someone for a cheap computer.... |
| 18:17.59 | Mery | no i was one of the prople in the line |
| 18:18.01 | Mery | people* |
| 18:18.19 | Tain | Oh. The other story sounded better. |
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| 18:18.45 | Mery | lol |
| 18:18.50 | Inside | >_> |
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| 18:28.00 | Thunder_Child | huh, did anyone else notice they move the patch dated to the 6th? |
| 18:28.06 | Thunder_Child | date* |
| 18:29.01 | Shadowed | hrm? |
| 18:29.37 | Thunder_Child | http://blue.cardplace.com/newcache/en/88829997.htm |
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| 18:30.14 | Shadowed | I though EU has maintence a day later then US? so US is 5th, EU is the 6th? |
| 18:30.27 | Thunder_Child | well for us now it's the 6th |
| 18:30.37 | Thunder_Child | so ppl can get items for rank this week |
| 18:30.49 | Shadowed | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=51145118&sid=1 I still see 5th |
| 18:31.16 | Thunder_Child | posting date, mines newer |
| 18:31.24 | Shadowed | Yours is on the EU forums |
| 18:31.41 | Corrodias | lol internet |
| 18:31.43 | Thunder_Child | oh bleh, i didnt know they puled from EU |
| 18:31.51 | Thunder_Child | pulled* |
| 18:32.40 | Mery | Corrodias: I doubt it will be hard to find, because only 3 people will search for it =P |
| 18:34.34 | Corrodias | well, retailers know it, so only 3 copies will ever exist :P |
| 18:37.19 | Mery | order it online :) |
| 18:38.21 | Corrodias | you know, i tried, but amazon and gamestop don't have it. i only looked for a few minutes, but i am really not sure where else to look. walmart and best buy .com's, i guess |
| 18:39.15 | Neuro | I assure you that Blizzard is printing enough copies |
| 18:39.23 | Corrodias | walmart has it on preorder (?) for shipping december 12th. and you mean Nintendo. |
| 18:39.33 | Neuro | Oh, thought you were refering to TBC |
| 18:39.40 | Neuro | who cares about the Wii |
| 18:39.47 | Josh_Borke | mee |
| 18:39.51 | Josh_Borke | wait, wait. |
| 18:39.55 | Josh_Borke | MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEee |
| 18:40.07 | Corrodias | i'm not talking about the wii. man, keep up! ;) |
| 18:40.11 | Shadowed | Kill the unbeliever! |
| 18:40.26 | Kaso | So.. GameTooltip.SetInventoryItem is called OnUpdate when you've hovvering over char window items |
| 18:40.28 | Neuro | Oh, Twilight Princess |
| 18:40.40 | Neuro | sounds like some import |
| 18:40.52 | Josh_Borke | Kaso: lol |
| 18:40.56 | Shadowed | it's the new Zelda |
| 18:40.59 | Kaso | ? |
| 18:41.05 | Josh_Borke | Kaso: doesn't that suck? |
| 18:41.06 | Mery | http://www.amazon.com/Nintendo-96307-Legend-Zelda-Twilight/dp/B0009UBR3A/sr=8-1/qid=1164825651/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/104-9011179-2841521?ie=UTF8&s=videogames |
| 18:41.09 | Kaso | very much |
| 18:41.58 | Kaso | now my addon lags you slightly when you hovver over items in bags and char window |
| 18:42.03 | Kaso | anyway i can get around that |
| 18:42.11 | Corrodias | looks like it isn't available anywhere until the 11th or 12th of December, at least the gamecube version |
| 18:42.17 | Mery | yes |
| 18:42.25 | Mery | becasue the release date is the 11th |
| 18:42.30 | Mery | (of the gc version) |
| 18:42.42 | Maldivia | Kaso: it's called in an OnUpdate, so cooldown info can be updated |
| 18:42.58 | Corrodias | i picked that up |
| 18:43.02 | Mery | :) |
| 18:43.06 | Josh_Borke | Kaso: what are you trying to do? add information to the tooltip? |
| 18:43.25 | Corrodias | oh yeah, hey, fresh batch of people. i need to bounce my speculative mage specs off you guys |
| 18:43.28 | Maldivia | Josh: he's rewriting the tooltip, to convert gems to "normal" stats |
| 18:43.39 | Josh_Borke | hm |
| 18:43.40 | Kaso | sorta, im re-ordering the way the tooltip is loooking, as shown here http://kasoo.net/img/imgs/ver1.2.png |
| 18:43.43 | Josh_Borke | that sucks |
| 18:43.45 | Kaso | beaten :< |
| 18:44.38 | Kaso | its not a hugely cpu intensive, but being called however many times a second is causing problems |
| 18:44.49 | Corrodias | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent-bc=obxVc0fzxIzioZVVM0c0x // http://www.wowhead.com/?talent-bc=RbxVc0fzxIzbZZVAG0c0x // http://www.wowhead.com/?talent-bc=obxVbZxxMzfccReRt0h (with those 2 in Magical Attunement floating around) |
| 18:45.22 | Corrodias | *magic attunement |
| 18:45.50 | Josh_Borke | Kaso: so most of the delay comes from clearing all lines and rewriting them, doesn't it? |
| 18:45.53 | Maldivia | Kaso: it's only updating every 0.2 sec |
| 18:45.58 | Antiarc | Kaso: Memoize the tooltip and just use that on subsequent calls if the hovered item hasn't changed. |
| 18:46.17 | Josh_Borke | Maldivia: what file are you looking at fgor that info? |
| 18:46.26 | Maldivia | Josh_Borke: UIParent.lua:TOOLTIP_UPDATE_TIME = 0.2; |
| 18:47.09 | Kaso | i guess i'd have to check there wasnt a cooldown |
| 18:47.13 | Kaso | but yeh that makes sense |
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| 18:47.55 | Maldivia | if (link==sameAsLast) and getcontainer/inventoryitemcooldown == sameAsLast) showCached() |
| 18:48.17 | Antiarc | Yeah, you'd probably want a fall-through for cooling-down items, but even then, you could memoize everything but the cooldown and then write it and the cooldown separately. |
| 18:48.38 | Antiarc | No sense in recalculating the tooltip info every refresh since it has no chance of changing. |
| 18:48.53 | Corrodias | one of my guildmates asks, "Any word on if the spell books are trainable @ lvl 60 in the Dec 5 patch, or do we have to wait for the x-pac? " |
| 18:49.00 | Josh_Borke | but doesn't the GameTooltip.SetInventoryItem change the contents? |
| 18:49.12 | Neuro | I think that's a wait till xpac, but dunno |
| 18:49.22 | Antiarc | It doesn't change the result of the tooltip, Josh_Borke |
| 18:49.29 | Neuro | btw, Corrodias, were you the one asking about alt-shift selfcasting? |
| 18:49.30 | Antiarc | The only variable is cooldown time |
| 18:49.36 | Corrodias | i don't even know what spell books he's talking about |
| 18:49.37 | Neuro | last night |
| 18:49.39 | Kaso | hmm, i'd have to do a normal hook rather than a securehook wont i |
| 18:49.39 | Josh_Borke | well then, that's cool |
| 18:49.40 | Corrodias | yes, Neuro |
| 18:49.52 | Corrodias | i am not sure where you found these pending fixes that you were talking about |
| 18:50.08 | zenzelezz | Corrodias: I'm guessing it's the AQ books |
| 18:50.11 | Josh_Borke | anyway, class |
| 18:50.20 | Neuro | Yes, AQ books like Fireball Rank 12 or whatever |
| 18:50.32 | axxo | Corrodias: they are lvl 62, you have the lvl 60 ones .. |
| 18:50.36 | ckknight | hey all |
| 18:50.40 | Guillotine | hey ck |
| 18:50.53 | Corrodias | so that would mean they aren't available? |
| 18:51.07 | axxo | they are when you are level 62. |
| 18:51.08 | Maldivia | frostbolt and arcane missiles are available, fireball isn't |
| 18:51.15 | Antiarc | Kaso: You could do a securehook, unless I misunderstand the mechanism horribly. |
| 18:51.15 | axxo | can you get to lvl 62 before tbc? |
| 18:51.20 | Maldivia | no |
| 18:51.32 | Drundia | it's funny, mage frostbolt has a new rank at 62, coming after aq20 one. +10 mana, +7 damage (silly) |
| 18:51.52 | Maldivia | yeah, every mage will be bypassing rank 12 frostbolt |
| 18:51.58 | Antiarc | securehooks are executed after the normal function, so the normal update writes the stock tooltip, then your hook function clears the tip, writes your cached tooltip, and then writes any cooldown info. |
| 18:52.10 | Drundia | alt-shift-selfcasting wont work because of the way game handles the stuff |
| 18:52.13 | Neuro | I use rank 11 frostbolt still |
| 18:52.36 | Kaso | oh, i was thinking of just stopping the stock tooltip being written at all if it didnt need to be |
| 18:53.04 | Corrodias | Neuro, where were you referring to the "pending fixes" for the test realm? i looked in a few places but i don't think i found the same list you were looking at. |
| 18:53.31 | Neuro | check the messages I sent you Corro |
| 18:53.45 | Neuro | Ack, I didn't send them |
| 18:53.49 | Neuro | unregistered nick |
| 18:53.50 | Antiarc | Kaso: If you can get away with that without interfering with any secure calls, I'd say go for it. |
| 18:53.51 | Neuro | one sec |
| 18:53.57 | Antiarc | That should further help performance |
| 18:54.04 | Corrodias | indeed! :) |
| 18:54.04 | Kaso | yah, prob better |
| 18:54.15 | Corrodias | i actually looked up to see if you sent me some |
| 18:54.45 | Neuro_Medivh | I forgot I wasn't on a registered nick |
| 18:55.55 | Drundia | can u show me some "pending fixes" list? |
| 18:58.55 | Drundia | zomgs everyone always ignores me |
| 18:59.27 | Corrodias | i'm getting the suspicion this isn't a public list |
| 18:59.59 | Drundia | btw are there any differences between the way secure buttons work on ptr and in latest tbc beta? |
| 19:00.32 | Corrodias | i doubt it. 2.0 has all of the lua & secure templates changes in it as far as i'm aware |
| 19:01.27 | Drundia | but i mean that maybe some improvements in control of attributes. |
| 19:02.52 | Mery | well all I can say is: if it is not in the concise list then it probably isn't in ... helpful isn't it :D |
| 19:03.04 | Drundia | indeed |
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| 19:04.19 | Iriel | Which change in question are we referring to? |
| 19:04.24 | Drundia | i was thinking how to make action button behavior based on spell in it. like if spell is friendly alt-click casts on self and if spell s hostile alt-click casts on focus. normal click always casts on target. guess there is no such kind of control or something with securestateheader maybe? |
| 19:06.08 | Iriel | Well, the trick is finding out if the spell is friendly or not, and to some extent when you allow the spell to change |
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| 19:06.23 | malreth | can't type... eating ribs... |
| 19:06.44 | Drundia | well, u can change actionbar slot in combat using secure templates |
| 19:06.49 | Thunder_Child | malreth cant type even when not eating ribs |
| 19:07.49 | malreth | actuuaaaalyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy |
| 19:08.52 | Drundia | i'd love more freedom in anyway. instead of limiting to predefined templates they could just consider all code secure before it executes some insecure action (like quering unithealth or reading variable set by insecure code) |
| 19:09.32 | malreth | yyyyyytyyyhiyyyysyyyy yyysyyyyyuyyycyykyysyyyyyyyyYYYYY!YYYyyyyyyyyyy |
| 19:10.49 | Josh_Borke | oh dear |
| 19:11.43 | Shadowed | ~lart malreth |
| 19:11.49 | Neuro_Medivh | malreth speaking murloc again? |
| 19:12.03 | Shadowed | murloc is more like MRGLGLALALAGLGLAGA |
| 19:12.44 | Antiarc | It's either a broken keyboard or a cat. |
| 19:12.48 | Neuro_Medivh | ahh, true... malreth is more likely speaking Scourge |
| 19:12.52 | Mery | 10g he killed his keyboard (or is now really cleaning it) |
| 19:12.57 | Josh_Borke | i think he's typing with his elbows |
| 19:13.28 | Antiarc | Drundia: The problem with that, I think, is the mechanism used to determine secure vs insecure codepaths |
| 19:13.38 | Corrodias | i'm going back to bed, now. thanks for talking to me, everyone ^_^ |
| 19:13.45 | Josh_Borke | nn Corrodias |
| 19:13.49 | Mery | night |
| 19:14.49 | Malivil | Hey everyone |
| 19:15.17 | Antiarc | It's fairly easy to look at a call stack and determine if it's tainted. I'd argue that it's also a lot more clear than magically tainting code for calling an API function. The second route would make debugging a bitch without extensive doc. |
| 19:15.47 | Iriel | Drundia: The reason that doesn't work is that either (a) you end up with everything tainted or (b) it's far too easy to slip data obtained from 'bad places' past the filter. |
| 19:16.00 | Drundia | well, they have issecurevariable() to check variables for security. if secure code accesses some insecure variables it becomes insecure |
| 19:17.25 | Iriel | Also, there's a bunch of blizzard code that needs to be able to SECURELY access those API functions |
| 19:17.52 | Drundia | about (b) - how is that easy? |
| 19:18.15 | Iriel | Suppose they protect UnitHealth |
| 19:18.29 | Iriel | then I just make a frame whose X position on the screen is the unit health i'm interested in |
| 19:18.39 | Iriel | One thread of execution checks UnitHealth and moves the frame |
| 19:18.47 | Iriel | the other thread checks the frame X position and does the action |
| 19:18.54 | Antiarc | Or you could just read and parse TargetFrameUnitHealthText:GetText() (or whatever the frame is) |
| 19:19.03 | Antiarc | Thus thereby avoiding an insecure UnitHealth() call. |
| 19:19.13 | Iriel | Let's assume for now that SetText/GetText carries taint |
| 19:19.48 | Antiarc | Colors are another hole. You can do a lot with three floats. |
| 19:19.54 | Iriel | Indeed |
| 19:19.56 | Iriel | or alpha |
| 19:19.59 | Antiarc | Four, yeah. |
| 19:20.35 | Drundia | ok, frames can use current protection methods. this way i cant move a protected frame based on UnitHealth. position of unprotected frame is insecure |
| 19:20.47 | Iriel | So you want to lock down ALL frames? |
| 19:20.52 | Drundia | no |
| 19:20.55 | Iriel | Bye bye custom unit frame health indicators |
| 19:20.59 | Antiarc | I thought that passing data to vertex shaders as bitmaps was one of the coolest tricks ever when I learned it. :D |
| 19:21.21 | Drundia | no need to lock down all frames |
| 19:21.34 | Iriel | I'm not discussing a protected frame here though |
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| 19:21.49 | Drundia | u just can get positions, colors and stuff of other frames if u plan to use UseAction. it will taint the whole thing. |
| 19:21.59 | Iriel | And Antiarc's suggestion is even sneakier since alpha/color of protected frames isn't controlled at all |
| 19:23.01 | Drundia | alpha/color can be protected in the same way variables can be secure/insecure |
| 19:23.15 | Antiarc | Basically, if you don't use tainted call stacks, then you can set data in a "neutral" format from secure code, then read and use it from insecure code that doesn't get tainted, since it's using the proxied information. |
| 19:24.06 | malreth | taking it even further, you can proxy secure data across other players using the addon com channel |
| 19:24.18 | Antiarc | Or even just to yourself. |
| 19:24.28 | Drundia | things coming from certain events can default to insecure |
| 19:24.43 | Drundia | it's just that the current system is way easier for them to make |
| 19:24.51 | malreth | winner! |
| 19:24.52 | Antiarc | You're not going to be able to make that solution secure and have it be more flexible than the current system |
| 19:25.04 | Iriel | Are you starting to get the point that your system is infeasibly overcomplicated and likely full of holes (or completely useless because it's TOO restrictive) ? |
| 19:25.04 | Cide | Drundia: that doesn't mean that the current system is easy |
| 19:25.04 | Mery | well what they are saying it is relativly easy to just allow what they think is ok compared to forbid what they think is not ok |
| 19:25.10 | Antiarc | You could make your solution be secure, I'm sure, but it would be ridiculously rigid. |
| 19:25.26 | Iriel | The current system is simple so that it can be robust |
| 19:25.37 | Iriel | not simple because they're lazy |
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| 19:25.51 | Antiarc | I love that it's a simple boundary between secure and insecure code. It takes a bit more work to use like we used to, but it's not too hard. It just requires shifted thinking. |
| 19:25.55 | Iriel | (I'm using "simple" as "conceptually simple" -- The implementation is likely quite fiddly) |
| 19:25.59 | Cide | the system in itself is simple, but the side-efforts to minimize the damage have been enormous |
| 19:26.18 | Drundia | the current system is hardly simple. there is a lot of stuff to read now to figure all things like secure state headers and such. |
| 19:26.35 | Iriel | Those are 'tools to use to avoid problems caused by the current system' |
| 19:26.39 | Cide | Drundia: that's what I meant by side efforts. the lockdown in itself is fairly simple |
| 19:26.39 | Iriel | not the taint system itself |
| 19:26.52 | Cide | the concept, anyway |
| 19:27.30 | malreth | Drundia: what point are you trying to get at by saying that the API is 'difficult to learn'? |
| 19:27.41 | Antiarc | Conceptually simpler solutions win in the end, I think. The alternative is making developers memorize which of a billion API functions taint, and which don't. |
| 19:27.53 | malreth | because... it's probably not logically sound |
| 19:27.54 | Antiarc | You'll end up doing more reading if you have to check a function for tainting every time you want to use it. |
| 19:28.18 | Mery | (not to forget every variable) |
| 19:28.34 | Drundia | but they already check a function for tainting every time they want to use it |
| 19:28.37 | Antiarc | And magic tainting leads to magic code breakage and hours spent debugging. |
| 19:28.37 | Malivil | So 2.0 comes out next week? |
| 19:28.50 | Neuro_Medivh | yes |
| 19:28.54 | Malivil | cool |
| 19:28.54 | Antiarc | That's the rumor. |
| 19:28.59 | Malivil | Not a rumor |
| 19:29.00 | Neuro_Medivh | no rumor |
| 19:29.02 | Antiarc | Barring any unforseen delays. |
| 19:29.03 | Neuro_Medivh | it's posted |
| 19:29.05 | Malivil | Its an official post on the general forums |
| 19:29.06 | Antiarc | It's planned to come out next week |
| 19:29.09 | Malivil | Dec 5th |
| 19:29.09 | Antiarc | But not guaranteed. |
| 19:29.15 | Antiarc | I saw it :) |
| 19:29.34 | Antiarc | But, the fact that they posted a date makes it nearly dead certain |
| 19:29.41 | Malivil | ... |
| 19:29.44 | Antiarc | They always avoid posting dates unless they know they can hit 'em. |
| 19:29.45 | Malivil | no sarcasm there, right? |
| 19:29.54 | Antiarc | No, no sarcasm. |
| 19:30.14 | Antiarc | Just saying that Blizzard doesn't post dates as a matter of policy, to avoid disappointment when things are pushed back. |
| 19:30.29 | Malivil | mmm |
| 19:30.33 | Antiarc | The fact that they posted a date is a pretty solid indicator that it'll be out on the 5th, even with the "we might change this" caveat. |
| 19:30.36 | Malivil | its happened too many times before |
| 19:30.46 | Amro | more accurately, to avoid the whining when they delay something |
| 19:30.59 | Malivil | which happens anyway |
| 19:31.29 | Antiarc | People would whine if they were given 10k g, a full suit of epics, and a godmode potion with a 60-year duration. |
| 19:31.47 | Malivil | Of course |
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| 19:32.03 | Drundia | 10k? u mean only 10k? like i farmed all those 10k for myself in vain? OMG NO DONT GIVE ANY GLODS TO ANYONE |
| 19:32.10 | Mery | Drundia: yes, but everything coming from addons = tainted is simple, everthing set after the first time an insecure (whatever insecure is, because iriel and Antiarc already pointed out there are alot of ways to pass information around) variable gets accessed = tainted is not simple |
| 19:32.18 | Antiarc | Only 60 years?! I'm ONLY 12! I HAVE A GOOD 80 YEARS AHEAD OF ME! |
| 19:32.54 | Drundia | i dont think the humanity will exist for more than 40 years |
| 19:33.27 | malreth | ZOMG nerf global warmings!!! |
| 19:34.05 | Drundia | then we can make thing even simplier. some secure environments and explicit security of certain special needed variables. |
| 19:35.06 | Antiarc | Using a blacklist rather than a whitelist is a fast way to get your holes exploited. Whitelists are more restrictive, but severely more secure. |
| 19:35.08 | Drundia | but again those silly setting kill me. i'd rather program it all myself also avoiding determining actions based on game states |
| 19:35.59 | malreth | exploited holes? i think i saw something online about that... |
| 19:36.03 | Antiarc | Heh. |
| 19:36.20 | TS|Skrom | wow wrong time to come back from afk |
| 19:36.48 | Drundia | in the end the button behavior which deals with 'helpbutton' and 'harmbutton' is way to exploit thing by determining action based on for example mind control |
| 19:36.48 | malreth | on that note, gratz Iriel |
| 19:36.49 | Mery | well if you don't change action buttons around in combat (if that is possible I dunno) you can just write an addon to set the attributes based on the spell, can't you? |
| 19:37.33 | Iriel | malreth: thanks 8-) |
| 19:37.46 | TS|Skrom | what are we gratzing iriel for? |
| 19:37.47 | Drundia | maybe i forget to fix my actionbars before combat.... |
| 19:37.58 | Drundia | bc that's how it most usually happens |
| 19:38.03 | malreth | my girl and i have decided on a wedding date of august 8, 2008 |
| 19:38.15 | Drundia | grats |
| 19:38.18 | Iriel | Easy to remember - Good choice 8-) |
| 19:38.22 | Tain | Play the funeral march. |
| 19:38.29 | Drundia | why not august 20? |
| 19:38.39 | Antiarc | Congrats, Iriel :D |
| 19:38.45 | malreth | Drundia: because that date has 3 8's in it |
| 19:38.46 | Antiarc | I just got married in July, myself. |
| 19:38.53 | malreth | very lucky |
| 19:38.59 | Amro | shoulda married on june 6th 2006 |
| 19:39.00 | malreth | it'll make her relatives very happy |
| 19:39.01 | Antiarc | We were going to pick November 11 (11/11), but decided to move it up, thank goodness. |
| 19:39.07 | Drundia | well, in european format august 20 2008 can look like 20/08/2008 |
| 19:39.09 | TS|Skrom | 08 20 2008 is kinda cool too :P |
| 19:39.38 | Iriel | 2008-08-08 looks better than 2008-08-20, but i'm a freak for wanting unambiguous dates |
| 19:39.55 | Antiarc | I ended up on 7/15, which isn't special except that it's a little over a week after the 4th of July, so I have a major holiday to remind me that my anniversary is incoming. |
| 19:40.00 | Neuro_Medivh | I'da gone July 7th of next year |
| 19:40.07 | Neuro_Medivh | 7-7-7 much more lucky |
| 19:40.11 | Drundia | the only unambiguos date is 2008-aug-08 |
| 19:40.18 | malreth | not in asian cultures, Neuro_Medivh |
| 19:40.23 | Iriel | Not really, i've never seen anyone do YYYY-DD-MM |
| 19:40.31 | Antiarc | Drundia: You could go with the time since UNIX epoch! |
| 19:40.31 | Neuro_Medivh | Asians already have too much luck |
| 19:40.40 | Iriel | YYYY-MM-DD is an ISO standard of sorts, and it's also quite nicely sortable |
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| 19:40.59 | Drundia | i'm kinda bad at counting seconds since 1970 |
| 19:41.04 | VoidRaider|AFK | Hmm can I write my own custom iterator in lua ? |
| 19:41.09 | Iriel | VoidRaider|AFK: Yes |
| 19:41.42 | Drundia | so let me see, i think i know how to abuse 'helpbutton' and 'harmbutton' to.... hmmm.... yes, auto-sheep MT on hakkar |
| 19:41.47 | malreth | VoidRaider: http://www.lua.org/pil/7.html |
| 19:42.12 | VoidRaider | thx :) |
| 19:42.54 | Neuro_Medivh | Drundia, yeah, already been thought of |
| 19:43.13 | Neuro_Medivh | ./cast [target=party1,harm] Polymorph; etc etc |
| 19:43.25 | Drundia | ye, something like that |
| 19:43.49 | Antiarc | You can definitely do that, but it'll be pre-wired to party1. |
| 19:43.51 | malreth | right... but while the tank is MCed, you'd have to switch targets or just sit there recasting poly |
| 19:43.54 | Antiarc | Which is kinda the whole idea |
| 19:44.28 | Neuro_Medivh | it's not a flaw per se, it's simply that the state of help/harm on a target is not usually a dynamic combat condition =) |
| 19:44.30 | Antiarc | But then, if you know who is going to get hit by an actionable debuff, then it's not hard to do it manually, either. |
| 19:44.45 | Antiarc | Try doing that for Skeram and let me know how it works out :) |
| 19:44.49 | Drundia | i think u can spam one button which will be only nuking and when mt isnt mc'ed anymore u'll switch to one with automatic behavior. still easier than reacting to mc. |
| 19:45.48 | Drundia | well, just like help/harm state is not usually dynamic it means that u can simply select to press 1 and 2 or 3 and 4 depending on that state that doesnt change |
| 19:46.30 | Corrodias | before i go to bed... how do i post code with indentation on the wow.com forums? >:/ |
| 19:46.30 | Drundia | dont see much convenience in automating it in the first place |
| 19:46.35 | Corrodias | it keeps deleting leading white space |
| 19:46.42 | malreth | Corrodias: [pre] [/pre] |
| 19:47.18 | Corrodias | just like that... thanks |
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| 19:52.01 | Amro | is there an addon that parses item tooltip data and stores it in a table? |
| 19:52.10 | malreth | no |
| 19:52.20 | malreth | ~malreth |
| 19:52.28 | purl | malreth is always right |
| 19:52.28 | Antiarc | I'm still looking for one that'll store item data in a desk. |
| 19:52.28 | Kaso | Amro |
| 19:52.42 | Kaso | ive got a peice of code that does that in the addon im working on atm |
| 19:53.01 | Amro | would you mind sharing? There's a lot of parsing to do |
| 19:53.29 | Kaso | not sure if this is what you mean |
| 19:53.33 | Kaso | but... |
| 19:53.39 | Kaso | http://pastey.net/2844 |
| 19:55.53 | Amro | I want to parse the actual item data (name, level, type, damage, etc) |
| 19:56.13 | Amro | i have a python script that can parse individual lines, so ill just convert that |
| 19:56.18 | Antiarc | It's not too hard to go |
| 19:56.21 | Antiarc | err, to do |
| 19:56.25 | Amro | yeah I know |
| 19:56.40 | Amro | but if there was an addon that already did this, no point in redoing it, hence why I asked |
| 19:56.48 | Fisker | enchanting is a bitch to level :( |
| 19:56.56 | Fisker | cost me like 600g |
| 19:57.07 | Antiarc | Enchanting is rough. |
| 19:57.24 | Kaso | Amro |
| 19:57.36 | Kaso | i *sorta* have that |
| 19:57.47 | Kaso | but its limited, it only reads stats, and equips: |
| 19:58.59 | malreth | ~seen Cladhaire |
| 19:59.27 | purl | cladhaire <n=jnwhiteh@cpe-69-202-110-177.twcny.res.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 16h 43m 40s ago, saying: 'and things cost honor points, and BG tokens to purchase'. |
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| 20:04.06 | Antiarc | I haven't tested it, but something like this might be usable, Amro: http://pastey.net/2845 |
| 20:04.14 | Antiarc | Just set up your options table appropriately. |
| 20:07.52 | Josh_Borke | WTF! |
| 20:08.24 | Malivil | ? |
| 20:09.02 | Amro | looks nice antiarc, flexible |
| 20:09.05 | Amro | ill test it in a bit |
| 20:09.05 | Josh_Borke | nvm |
| 20:09.10 | Josh_Borke | it was just me being an idiot |
| 20:09.18 | Josh_Borke | number ~= 'number' |
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| 20:09.34 | VoidRaider | haha |
| 20:09.43 | ckknight | hey all |
| 20:09.48 | VoidRaider | hi :) |
| 20:09.56 | malreth | hey hey ckk |
| 20:09.56 | Thunder_Child | sup ck |
| 20:10.17 | malreth | bbl |
| 20:10.38 | Thunder_Child | damit he ryhmed and ran |
| 20:11.28 | Thunder_Child | ~bitchslap Malreth's Soul |
| 20:11.38 | purl | ACTION beats the sh*t out of Malreth's Soul |
| 20:11.56 | Thunder_Child | ~botsnack |
| 20:11.56 | purl | aw, gee, Thunder_Child |
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| 20:14.13 | Malivil | Why does my forum account say "There Is No Available Characters" when i log in? |
| 20:14.27 | Elkano | hmm... guild mate of me is telling that spirit is reducing agro range for rogues... anyone having an idea if that is true? |
| 20:15.17 | Tem | Elkano, sounds bogus to me |
| 20:15.36 | axxo | go to the ah, buy +spi gear, walk to mob till aggro, ress, put gear on |
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| 20:16.40 | Elkano | to me too, but he told the following: he usally goes BRD to farm dark iron ore and when he changed to a gear mobs that didn't agro before agroed. when he switched gear back they didn't agro anymore :/ |
| 20:18.34 | Drundia | my script was converting thottbot massitems pages to a database |
| 20:18.37 | Cide | your friend's wrong |
| 20:23.01 | Neuro_Medivh | Elkano, ask him what gear he was swapping |
| 20:26.55 | Grine | anyone know a good way to get a list of the pople in a channel? |
| 20:27.22 | Grine | like gettign all the names in general and putting them in a table |
| 20:27.56 | Josh_Borke | send a /who and parse the results? |
| 20:28.28 | Malivil | Why does my forum account say "There Is No Available Characters" when i log in? |
| 20:28.35 | ckknight | Grine, I do it in AceComm. |
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| 20:29.05 | Grine | I'll have a look at that then. |
| 20:29.58 | ckknight | ListChannelByName(channel) |
| 20:30.17 | ckknight | then parse from CHAT_MSG_CHANNEL_LIST |
| 20:30.27 | ckknight | AceComm's is a very nice parser (read: efficient) |
| 20:30.34 | ckknight | feel free to use it if you want |
| 20:30.56 | Grine | I would if I knew how (scared of Ace) |
| 20:31.21 | ckknight | it's just code. |
| 20:31.33 | Grine | well it's not my code ;) |
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| 20:31.51 | ckknight | well, Ace's is pretty consistent throughout... |
| 20:31.55 | Grine | which mean I have to readup on how to use it instead of just slapping it til it works |
| 20:32.23 | ckknight | hehe, Thunder_Child |
| 20:32.26 | Neuro_Medivh | ck, one of these days you'll understand that while Ace may be great for the developer, it's hell on the end user, especially right now |
| 20:32.35 | ckknight | I disagree. |
| 20:32.42 | Neuro_Medivh | that's cause you're a developer |
| 20:32.44 | ckknight | and I find your logic regarding it flawed. |
| 20:32.45 | Grine | that's gonnab e a whole lot of slapping Thunder_Child, odn' stat work for 10 more hours |
| 20:33.20 | ckknight | especially seeing as there are separate codebases for Ace2 TBC and vanilla, which you seem to not be able to comprehend. |
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| 20:33.27 | Grine | shit I can't spell... |
| 20:33.43 | Thunder_Child | join the club |
| 20:33.43 | ckknight | and there has been recent work in making sure that if one addon craps out, it doesn't destroy the system. |
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| 20:33.52 | ckknight | now it works quite nicely |
| 20:34.00 | ckknight | Tem's the good man behind that |
| 20:34.11 | Cide | ckknight: I think he's implying that the average user doesn't know what a "codebase" even is |
| 20:34.19 | Neuro_Medivh | or which one to get |
| 20:34.25 | ckknight | the average user isn't playing TBC, Cide |
| 20:34.29 | Neuro_Medivh | or which version, or where to install, etc |
| 20:34.32 | Neuro_Medivh | Yes they are |
| 20:34.38 | ckknight | no they're not. |
| 20:34.38 | Grine | ckknight: AceComm is for addons communicating right? |
| 20:34.39 | Cide | ckknight: oh yes, they are |
| 20:34.44 | ckknight | Grine, right. |
| 20:34.57 | Josh_Borke | there are lots of people getting beta keys now |
| 20:34.58 | Grine | cause I don't need taht :P |
| 20:35.07 | ckknight | the average user plays normal WoW. Special people, though there may be a lot of them, play TBC |
| 20:35.15 | ckknight | but the numbers are disproportionate. |
| 20:35.20 | Cide | ckknight: sorry, but you're wrong |
| 20:35.29 | Cide | the average user does, in fact, play wow |
| 20:35.33 | Cide | which is why it's so successful |
| 20:35.51 | ckknight | play TBC, I was saying |
| 20:35.51 | malreth | you two sound like when me and my fiancee argue |
| 20:35.54 | Xuerian | I think he just said that :3 |
| 20:36.07 | Josh_Borke | all of my guildmates who got into TBC are average wow users |
| 20:36.13 | Neuro_Medivh | Ok, lets look at the portal to ace, www.wowace.com |
| 20:36.17 | ckknight | the average person plays vanilla WoW. |
| 20:36.20 | Neuro_Medivh | I see a little blurb telling me Ace is great |
| 20:36.21 | Cide | malreth: hey, at least I bring up arguments! |
| 20:36.28 | Neuro_Medivh | then I see SIX links to the side |
| 20:36.38 | Neuro_Medivh | with no introduction or explanation |
| 20:36.43 | Cide | malreth: oh, who usually wins? |
| 20:36.47 | Thunder_Child | mal, you and you fiancee argue about ace? |
| 20:36.53 | ckknight | Neuro_Medivh, *shrug* I don't write the website. |
| 20:37.11 | Neuro_Medivh | this is my point, ck |
| 20:37.21 | Neuro_Medivh | Installing or using Ace is hard on the end user |
| 20:37.29 | ckknight | Ace is included with addons. |
| 20:37.34 | malreth | end users don't install or use ace |
| 20:37.41 | ckknight | so it should be as hard as installing an addon. |
| 20:37.57 | malreth | they go to WoWI or wherever and download something and install that addon like anything else |
| 20:38.09 | ckknight | only in special cases (such as if you want to play on TBC), do you need to install Ace2 by itself. |
| 20:38.29 | Xuerian | In which case, you usually have to do something special anyway, like modifying the toc file :) |
| 20:38.36 | ckknight | right. |
| 20:38.53 | Xuerian | If a addon that employs ace is released to a release site for tbc, it includes the proper ace embeds. |
| 20:38.59 | Thunder_Child | well 2.x broke most things ace or not |
| 20:39.08 | Xuerian | It did. |
| 20:39.10 | Xuerian | Months ago. |
| 20:39.11 | ckknight | true, and we've worked it out. |
| 20:39.20 | Xuerian | We've been working on it the whole time :3 |
| 20:39.23 | ckknight | Ace2 is more solid now because of it. |
| 20:39.34 | ckknight | alright, time to stop the propaganda machine and go to class |
| 20:39.37 | ckknight | cya all later. |
| 20:39.42 | Xuerian | Aww. But it's fun! |
| 20:39.47 | ckknight | I know, Xuerian |
| 20:39.48 | ckknight | I know. |
| 20:39.57 | malreth | ah... youth |
| 20:40.05 | Neuro_Medivh | shrug, after three attempts at installing Ace addons for TBC, and all three breaking, I completely gave up on Ace |
| 20:40.08 | Thunder_Child | what?...where? |
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| 20:40.23 | Xuerian | Neuro_Medivh: What addons, and where did you get them? |
| 20:40.43 | Neuro_Medivh | I don't recall what they were, now, as I deleted them quickly... but I got them from wowinterface |
| 20:40.46 | Thunder_Child | youth is a myth invented by old ppl that what an excuse to act oddly |
| 20:40.52 | Xuerian | Were they labled as TBC compatable? |
| 20:40.54 | Thunder_Child | want* |
| 20:40.55 | Neuro_Medivh | Yes |
| 20:41.14 | Xuerian | Were you trying to use them on the PTR, or on proper TBC? |
| 20:41.15 | malreth | Neuro_Medivh: have you tried my latest version of StopTheSpam? |
| 20:41.28 | Thunder_Child | err..older ppl...*phew dodged that conundrum* |
| 20:41.28 | Neuro_Medivh | No, Malreth |
| 20:41.38 | malreth | it's pretty nice... |
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| 20:41.40 | Neuro_Medivh | Xuerian, I was on TBC |
| 20:41.58 | Neuro_Medivh | And the problem was that they all installed Ace in a different way |
| 20:42.23 | malreth | Ace2 addons don't install Ace... the libs are embedded |
| 20:42.31 | Neuro_Medivh | But these did |
| 20:42.32 | zespri_work | good day, good people! |
| 20:42.33 | Gryphen | doesnt matter how they are installed |
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| 20:42.53 | Xuerian | Neuro_Medivh: That's unfortunate, but I won't argue it. I'd be interested to see which addons they were. |
| 20:43.46 | Josh_Borke | I think one issue is that sometimes the embedding breaks but it sounds like that has been fixed |
| 20:43.57 | Neuro_Medivh | That's great, Josh |
| 20:43.58 | Xuerian | As I'm assuming their authors would like to know that it isn't working. |
| 20:44.09 | Josh_Borke | and sometimes addon developers don't test their addons in a sterile environment |
| 20:44.09 | Neuro_Medivh | but it's not like I'm gonna keep trying a broken addon every week till it works =) |
| 20:44.12 | malreth | i second Xuerian's statement |
| 20:44.15 | Josh_Borke | Neuro_Medivh: I agree |
| 20:45.15 | Xuerian | Neuro_Medivh: Don't expect you to at all, but a error report would most definately help the author fix the problem, or if it truly is ace at root fault, ck and whever else does impliment a fix. |
| 20:45.40 | Xuerian | s/you to/you to try them repeatedly/ |
| 20:45.51 | Neuro_Medivh | That's just it, I don't know what's at fault. Is it Ace? The mod itself? |
| 20:45.59 | malreth | The mod |
| 20:46.06 | Neuro_Medivh | Not always |
| 20:46.08 | malreth | as an 'end-user' you aren't concerned with Ace |
| 20:46.32 | malreth | you report the bug to the author. the author is responsible for figuring out the problem. |
| 20:46.45 | malreth | given a proper bug report, obviously |
| 20:47.07 | Thunder_Child | yes authors take a dim view at bitching |
| 20:47.09 | Xuerian | Neuro_Medivh: Generally a simple copy-paste of the error is enough to direct the author as to what is wrong. If you're truly concerned with helping mods get better, short of working with the devs constantly as you said you don't want to (which is fine), you could use a addon such as buggrabber/bugsack, which gives a much more complete error which you can in fact copy+paste |
| 20:47.59 | Neuro_Medivh | Xuerian, I do give mods error reports, if I care enough about the mod. If it doesn't even load right out of the box, I'll be honest, I don't care enough to report it |
| 20:48.14 | Neuro_Medivh | and the reason is because I feel a bit of disappointment that someone would release a bugged addon |
| 20:48.16 | malreth | the error, a stack trace, and a list of installed addons and versions (if possible), client version and locale is usually sufficient |
| 20:48.19 | Xuerian | Neuro_Medivh: Then if you don't care to see what the problem is, don't aim your gun at things you have not pinpointed. |
| 20:49.08 | Neuro_Medivh | shrug, I understand mods have bugs... but a certain level of debugging should be done by the author. |
| 20:49.25 | malreth | an out-of-box bugged addon could result from factors that are outside of the author's testing capabilities... Something that is especially true in a beta environment such as TBC |
| 20:49.42 | Xuerian | Neuro_Medivh: Debugging -is- done by the author in almost all cases. I obviously cannot vouch for the authors in your case, as neither I nor you apparently know who they are. |
| 20:49.46 | malreth | Neuro_Medivh: you're making a presumption that the addon wasn't tested |
| 20:50.09 | Neuro_Medivh | malreth, you're right. And that may make me a horrible horrible person. |
| 20:50.16 | malreth | and if it wasn't tested, is that the fault of Ace2 or the addon author |
| 20:50.34 | Neuro_Medivh | Oh, I don't doubt that it's usually the addon author |
| 20:50.56 | Neuro_Medivh | but it's like Apple Computers |
| 20:50.59 | malreth | then isn't there a logical error in saying that Ace is difficult to install? |
| 20:51.02 | Neuro_Medivh | Apple Computers are great |
| 20:51.11 | Neuro_Medivh | they work very well, they're stable, etc |
| 20:51.23 | Neuro_Medivh | but if no one makes software for em, I have no reason to buy one |
| 20:51.26 | malreth | fuck macs! i fucking hate macs! dont' talk about them!!!@# |
| 20:51.28 | Fisker | is it something about rare crafting recipes(drop and rep) now become trainable with the usual trainers? |
| 20:51.32 | zespri_work | so what's the deal with warriors in BC? I haven't been following for a while and now the forums screaming that they suck in pvp. Do they? |
| 20:51.45 | Neuro_Medivh | malreth, I said Ace is difficult for the end-user |
| 20:52.20 | Neuro_Medivh | and that difficulty arises from the non-modularity of the system |
| 20:52.22 | malreth | and your basis for your argument has been refuted |
| 20:52.26 | Xuerian | Neuro_Medivh: If the end user ventures into areas not made for them to (though they can) go, then problems -are to be expected- |
| 20:53.00 | Neuro_Medivh | Xuerian, define an area "not made for them" |
| 20:53.13 | Xuerian | Neuro_Medivh: For example, the Ace2 site. The entire SVN/files system is clearly labeled as alpha/beta addons that should be treated as such |
| 20:53.17 | malreth | Neuro_Medivh: The end user need not concern themselves with Ace. |
| 20:53.18 | Xuerian | (you brought it up earlier, in fact) |
| 20:53.31 | Neuro_Medivh | I didn't refer to the ace2 site |
| 20:53.35 | Neuro_Medivh | I said the Ace site |
| 20:54.03 | Xuerian | Neuro_Medivh: .... |
| 20:54.11 | malreth | oh, btw... I lied. I love Macs. |
| 20:54.15 | Xuerian | Neuro_Medivh: Everyone but you apparently has been talking about Ace2. |
| 20:54.27 | Xuerian | Ace1 is defunct. Decrepit. Abandoned. Not maintained, supported, or used. |
| 20:54.33 | Neuro_Medivh | That's just it. You assume I, the end user, knows this |
| 20:54.39 | malreth | you don't need to know it |
| 20:54.52 | malreth | the end user installs PerfectRaid and uses it |
| 20:55.08 | Xuerian | Neuro_Medivh: Incorrect, but close. I assume you, the end user, will download mods in the TBC category. I challenge you to provide me with a mod released in a TBC category that uses Ace1 |
| 20:55.21 | malreth | if it breaks, they report it to Cladhaire |
| 20:55.21 | Neuro_Medivh | Not saying they do |
| 20:55.58 | Xuerian | Neuro_Medivh: What I do expect them to have, is a, to use a classical example, "mustard seed" worth of common sense. |
| 20:56.05 | Neuro_Medivh | I'm saying that ace addons, due to their modularity and interdependance, can be very problematic to the end user |
| 20:56.20 | Neuro_Medivh | and I can attest to this myself |
| 20:56.36 | malreth | because of your experience with beta quality addons in a test environment |
| 20:56.45 | Neuro_Medivh | yes |
| 20:56.49 | Xuerian | Neuro_Medivh: If you are talking about Ace1, I retire my arguments, because it's, to use the word freely, stupid, to argue about something that should -not- -even- -apply- in your argument. |
| 20:56.56 | malreth | that may or may not have had bugs due to the author's lack of testing |
| 20:57.11 | Neuro_Medivh | malreth, that's true in any beta mod |
| 20:57.14 | Xuerian | Neuro_Medivh: Let's be clear. Are you talking about Ace1? |
| 20:57.43 | Neuro_Medivh | I'm talking about Ace. The end user doesn't know, and according to you shouldn't know, the difference between ace1, ace2, ace2.1, etc |
| 20:58.00 | Neuro_Medivh | and I agree |
| 20:58.19 | Neuro_Medivh | Ace should be seamless |
| 20:58.19 | Neuro_Medivh | and the end user shouldn't ever even know about it |
| 20:58.58 | Xuerian | Neuro_Medivh: Ace2 is seamless. Ace2 is the only thing used in new mods, and it has been the only thing beeing used in Ace-embedding mods for MONTHS. So if you want to argue about the past, and have a "omg windows xp (which sucks anyway I admit, it's windows) is bad! know why? BECAUSE WINDOWS 95 WAS DONKEY SHIT" argument |
| 20:59.24 | malreth | i don't think he's arguing about the past, Xue |
| 20:59.27 | Neuro_Medivh | Xuerian, and my retort is, my experience with Ace2 mods has been far from seamless. |
| 20:59.38 | Neuro_Medivh | and I agree, it's in a beta environment |
| 20:59.47 | malreth | ok |
| 21:00.19 | Gryphen | dont think the convo is getting anywhere...starting to repeat |
| 21:00.21 | Neuro_Medivh | but due to the nature of Ace, I could not get certain beta mods to work properly, NOT because of any flaw with Ace, but because addon authors are sometimes morons |
| 21:00.26 | Gryphen | /ingore |
| 21:00.31 | Gryphen | ignore even |
| 21:00.35 | Xuerian | lol, Gryphen. |
| 21:00.52 | Neuro_Medivh | Keep in mind, I'm not saying "Ace is a piece of shit!" or anything like that |
| 21:01.10 | malreth | i think i'm going to go Arcane/Frost come 2.0 |
| 21:01.23 | Xuerian | I'm staying feral all the way. |
| 21:01.28 | Neuro_Medivh | malreth, raiding or pvp? |
| 21:01.35 | malreth | both |
| 21:01.51 | Neuro_Medivh | personal opinion is that for raiding, 40/0/21 is best spec |
| 21:02.00 | malreth | that's what i'm doing |
| 21:02.48 | Neuro_Medivh | sucks for pvp, though |
| 21:02.48 | malreth | eh... |
| 21:02.48 | Neuro_Medivh | my version sucks for pvp, lemme say that |
| 21:02.48 | malreth | how so? |
| 21:02.51 | Neuro_Medivh | no shatter, no frostbite, no perma, etc |
| 21:03.04 | Neuro_Medivh | which are the staples of frost pvp |
| 21:03.16 | Fisker | So anyone knew if rare enchanting recipes would now be trainable from trainers in 2.0.x? |
| 21:03.17 | malreth | you only need those if you don't kill them on the first hit. :) |
| 21:03.22 | Neuro_Medivh | lol |
| 21:03.32 | Fisker | i heard something about the drop-only recipes being trainable in TBC |
| 21:03.32 | Neuro_Medivh | fisker, no |
| 21:03.51 | Neuro_Medivh | Not for tailoring they weren't |
| 21:03.54 | Neuro_Medivh | spells were |
| 21:03.57 | Neuro_Medivh | but not recipes |
| 21:04.11 | Fisker | ok |
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| 21:04.17 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o Cairenn] by ChanServ |
| 21:04.31 | malreth | Good afternoon, Cairenn-dono. |
| 21:05.35 | Thunder_Child | Grandma! |
| 21:06.02 | malreth | :| |
| 21:07.35 | SP|Sorren | snake trap |
| 21:07.37 | SP|Sorren | is hilarious :O |
| 21:07.45 | VoidRaider | haha yeah :P |
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| 21:12.02 | SP|Sorren | im going to be using the trap so much in arena, the prospect of 10 little snakes hitting a caster is just too much fun |
| 21:12.06 | malreth | VoidRaider: regarding your forum post... what's wrong with the current method of doing namespaces, really? |
| 21:13.59 | Josh_Borke | malreth: yea, i agree. what's wrong with using tables? where do embedded libraries go with per addon name-spaces? |
| 21:14.28 | Iriel | I'm with the other 2 on this, we dont need implicit handholding, it's really easy to create namespaces when youw ant them |
| 21:14.58 | Josh_Borke | where are coroutines useful? |
| 21:15.08 | malreth | and enforced namespaces carry additional problems |
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| 21:15.40 | Iriel | Josh_Borke: Really complex stream processing? |
| 21:16.18 | malreth | extended processing that you want to do across several OnUpdates on a dataset |
| 21:16.31 | Josh_Borke | malreth: that's what i was thinking |
| 21:16.49 | malreth | but i guess coroutines aren't really needed for that... |
| 21:17.11 | Iriel | They're never 'needed' |
| 21:17.13 | Josh_Borke | but coroutines just go don't they? there's no real throttling of them? |
| 21:17.16 | Iriel | they just make implementations much easier |
| 21:17.19 | Josh_Borke | unless you use a stop and go |
| 21:18.22 | malreth | Josh_Borke: they're like cooperative multitasking... you have to explicitly yield in them or else you'd lock up the game |
| 21:18.39 | Josh_Borke | hrm |
| 21:18.42 | VoidRaider | Why do I need to specify it though ? |
| 21:19.19 | malreth | VoidRaider: are you responding to the namespaces discussion or to the coroutines one? |
| 21:19.25 | VoidRaider | yup |
| 21:19.34 | VoidRaider | to the namespace |
| 21:19.41 | malreth | ok... :D |
| 21:19.44 | VoidRaider | :) |
| 21:19.49 | Maldivia | as for the namespaces, don't we have access to package system in 2.0? Meaning, access to module, require etc |
| 21:20.02 | malreth | do we? |
| 21:20.15 | Iriel | Maldivia: No |
| 21:20.35 | Maldivia | ohh, I thought I read that somewhere... bugger :| |
| 21:20.44 | malreth | ok... so let's say that Blizzard makes a table for you named the same as your addon |
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| 21:21.33 | malreth | now in order to actually use it, you have to specify it when creating variables or functions that you want to exist in that namespace... function MyAddOn:DoSomething(blah, etc) |
| 21:22.03 | malreth | but you haven't really gotten much of a benefit from doing that |
| 21:22.10 | malreth | so... we take it a bit furthher |
| 21:22.11 | VoidRaider | true |
| 21:22.18 | malreth | let's say... |
| 21:22.48 | malreth | Blizz makes a table for you and setfenv's for you automatically for your script |
| 21:23.12 | malreth | now you can just do function DoSomething(blah, whatever) and it'll be created in your namespace |
| 21:23.18 | malreth | variables too |
| 21:23.33 | malreth | ...course now you can't access the global functions and vars at all |
| 21:23.44 | VoidRaider | yeah |
| 21:23.45 | malreth | can't even do a get/setglobal() |
| 21:23.48 | malreth | ok |
| 21:23.49 | malreth | so... |
| 21:24.15 | malreth | Blizz creates the namespace, setfenvs for you AAAAAND they set up a metatable _index for you that points to the global namespace |
| 21:24.38 | malreth | now you can call global functions and variables and functions you create are constrained to your namespace |
| 21:24.55 | malreth | sound nice? |
| 21:25.02 | VoidRaider | pretty much haha |
| 21:25.13 | malreth | oh but there's a problem now... |
| 21:25.45 | malreth | well, metatable lookups are a bit slower |
| 21:25.53 | malreth | so that's no good |
| 21:26.09 | malreth | well, it's not so bad... but it's not idea |
| 21:26.09 | malreth | ideal |
| 21:26.38 | malreth | but you can cope by just making local references to the global functions before the namespace is created |
| 21:26.39 | Maldivia | AddonName={} setmetatable(AddonName, {__index = getfent(0)}) setfenv(0, AddonName) |
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| 21:26.44 | Iriel | The other issue with a metatable is you can't replace any global symbols |
| 21:26.53 | malreth | and then there's that |
| 21:27.27 | malreth | aaaand you can just do all this yourself with the oneliner that Maldivia posted |
| 21:27.45 | Maldivia | Iriel: setglobal("key", val) |
| 21:28.15 | Tem | setglobal is a hack |
| 21:28.17 | malreth | or you do a local _G = getfenv(0) before you create your namespace and use that |
| 21:28.50 | malreth | and use _G['key"] = val |
| 21:28.57 | VoidRaider | I know mate I'm using similar thing in my code |
| 21:29.17 | malreth | was responding to Maldivia, but yeah |
| 21:29.33 | malreth | so... what have we gained and what have we lost? |
| 21:29.49 | malreth | we get automatic namespaces and a clean global namespace |
| 21:30.12 | VoidRaider | haha :P |
| 21:30.13 | malreth | we lose speedy access to global functions and the ability to hook |
| 21:30.23 | malreth | or replace global functions |
| 21:30.37 | malreth | well, there's still hooksecurefunc() |
| 21:30.59 | malreth | and Blizzard could provide other hook functionality |
| 21:31.10 | Tem | please no |
| 21:31.13 | Drundia | actually use setfenv(1, AddonName) |
| 21:31.15 | Tem | hooks are a bad thing |
| 21:31.27 | Maldivia | the access speed to global variables, should be about the samt |
| 21:32.01 | Drundia | access speed to global variables depends on number of global variables |
| 21:32.17 | Maldivia | that's beside the point |
| 21:32.52 | VoidRaider | Anyway I'm going to sleep with a dream :P |
| 21:32.52 | malreth | well, it's still constant time, true |
| 21:33.19 | Maldivia | malreth: well, there's only one added indirection |
| 21:33.25 | malreth | but all the same, i don't think it really gains us much benefit |
| 21:33.36 | Drundia | i'm sure it does |
| 21:33.55 | Iriel | Drundia: The number of global variables has VERY LITTLE impact on their access speed |
| 21:34.15 | Maldivia | The power of hash tables |
| 21:34.45 | Drundia | hmmm.... what are they using for tables? |
| 21:35.00 | Drundia | hash tables? |
| 21:35.20 | malreth | for key-value lookups, yes |
| 21:36.21 | malreth | lists use an expandable array, no? |
| 21:36.26 | pastamancer | malreth: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=50835933&postId=508415948&sid=1#2 |
| 21:37.25 | Drundia | numeric lists? in theory they could use binary trees |
| 21:37.58 | Drundia | that probably is pretty fast for sequences of numbers to be easily expandable |
| 21:38.07 | Drundia | though maybe not binary.... |
| 21:38.07 | malreth | well, the source for lua is available... you're free to look |
| 21:38.24 | Drundia | reading other people's code will take forever |
| 21:38.28 | SP|Sorren | any ice mages or plds here in beta? |
| 21:38.44 | Maldivia | I'm a mage, and usually frost |
| 21:39.00 | malreth | same |
| 21:39.14 | malreth | well... i'm frost in beta... elemental on live |
| 21:39.28 | SP|Sorren | you guys on the PvE or PvP server? :o |
| 21:39.30 | SB1-Work | mmm fire |
| 21:39.31 | SB1-Work | mmm |
| 21:39.33 | SP|Sorren | theoretically |
| 21:39.37 | SP|Sorren | snake trap can hit through invul |
| 21:39.39 | SP|Sorren | but i dont know if its true. |
| 21:39.48 | SP|Sorren | i think it may just be that you can trip it while you're invulnerable |
| 21:40.11 | malreth | comment spam incoming... |
| 21:40.25 | malreth | ** Implementation of tables (aka arrays, objects, or hash tables). |
| 21:40.25 | malreth | ** Tables keep its elements in two parts: an array part and a hash part. |
| 21:40.25 | malreth | ** Non-negative integer keys are all candidates to be kept in the array |
| 21:40.25 | malreth | ** part. The actual size of the array is the largest `n' such that at |
| 21:40.26 | malreth | ** least half the slots between 0 and n are in use. |
| 21:40.32 | malreth | ** Hash uses a mix of chained scatter table with Brent's variation. |
| 21:40.32 | malreth | ** A main invariant of these tables is that, if an element is not |
| 21:40.32 | malreth | ** in its main position (i.e. the `original' position that its hash gives |
| 21:40.33 | malreth | ** to it), then the colliding element is in its own main position. |
| 21:40.33 | malreth | ** Hence even when the load factor reaches 100%, performance remains good. |
| 21:40.35 | malreth | */ |
| 21:40.37 | malreth | done |
| 21:40.54 | malreth | hey, i warned |
| 21:41.07 | zenzelezz | doesn't make it less painful |
| 21:41.14 | Josh_Borke | not by much... |
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| 21:41.46 | malreth | impressive |
| 21:42.47 | Josh_Borke | ~whalebomb |
| 21:42.49 | purl | ACTION throws an explosive whale named Gunter at josh_borke and hides. |
| 21:43.08 | SP|Sorren | alas, poor Gunter. |
| 21:43.27 | SP|Sorren | so, any mages here on the pvp beta server? |
| 21:43.41 | malreth | no... not on pvp |
| 21:43.51 | SP|Sorren | aw |
| 21:43.58 | SB1-Work | The dev guild is on PvE |
| 21:44.02 | malreth | i can't test my cross faction communication addon on them |
| 21:44.10 | malreth | OH SNAP! |
| 21:44.12 | SP|Sorren | SB1-Work: figures ;p |
| 21:44.57 | Drundia | too bad u can only send languaged messages to a few chat types |
| 21:49.40 | SP|Sorren | anyone know of any viewport mods for 2.0? |
| 21:49.45 | SP|Sorren | or do the old ones still work? |
| 21:49.54 | malreth | they should work |
| 21:50.20 | Cide | CT_Viewport |
| 21:50.37 | SP|Sorren | cool |
| 21:51.06 | Amro | Sorren, what'll happen to ICU? |
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| 21:51.28 | SP|Sorren | im going to dedicate some time to it this weekend |
| 21:51.29 | ckknight | hey all |
| 21:51.30 | SP|Sorren | it doesn't look good though |
| 21:52.04 | Amro | hey ckknight |
| 21:53.14 | malreth | how was class? |
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| 21:54.11 | ckknight | pretty good, we're talking about NP-Completeness |
| 21:54.24 | ckknight | and the Satisfaction problem |
| 21:54.29 | pastamancer | sounds like a good time |
| 21:54.35 | malreth | did you know that P=NP? |
| 21:54.56 | malreth | ~malreth |
| 21:54.57 | purl | malreth is always right |
| 21:55.14 | Thunder_Child | OR |
| 21:55.17 | Thunder_Child | ~emulate malreth |
| 21:55.19 | purl | as long as it's not anal-related, it's fine |
| 21:55.30 | ckknight | malreth, no one knows that for sure. |
| 21:55.46 | malreth | perl does... and he's a program so I think he speaks with authority. |
| 21:55.58 | Thunder_Child | you mean purl? |
| 21:56.07 | malreth | yeah... whatever |
| 21:56.20 | Thunder_Child | you just hurt purls feelings |
| 21:56.38 | Thunder_Child | ~bad malreth |
| 21:56.40 | purl | Bad malreth, bad! No cookie for you! |
| 21:59.23 | malreth | well... i gotta go take my scholo item lovin scrubby ass to the twitchfest that is Naxx tonight. I wish I were a real raider so that I had to use addons like decursive to even have a chance to survive. |
| 21:59.48 | malreth | later all, I'm sure it's gonna suck |
| 21:59.52 | SB1-Work | lol |
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| 22:00.13 | Maldivia | malreth: yeah, I have no idea how I've survived raiding as a mage for such a long time without it |
| 22:00.51 | SB1-Work | I used decursive from level 1 to 60 |
| 22:01.02 | SB1-Work | They killed it? Install a good set of raid frames, and my new macro |
| 22:01.18 | SB1-Work | The people who whine can't adapt, and the people who can't adapt aren't worth their own salt. |
| 22:01.58 | Josh_Borke | with the new macro system, how do i write a macro that follows a sequence and continues through it whether the spell is successful or not? |
| 22:02.05 | Iriel | Josh_Borke: You dont |
| 22:02.11 | Iriel | Josh_Borke: That still requires an addon |
| 22:02.40 | Josh_Borke | but, but, you can't :-( |
| 22:02.41 | ckknight | which wouldn't work in combat anyway... |
| 22:02.48 | Maldivia | yes it would |
| 22:02.59 | Iriel | ckknight: Sure it would, you can do a secure state header sequence caster pretty easily |
| 22:03.02 | Drundia | are there still only 18+18 macros and they are 255 bytes long in beta? |
| 22:03.05 | ckknight | ah, right. |
| 22:03.07 | SB1-Work | Yup |
| 22:03.30 | Drundia | stupid macros |
| 22:03.36 | Iriel | Drundia: Though with relatively little code you can create macro-esque action buttons |
| 22:03.55 | Drundia | with state headers or without? |
| 22:04.04 | Iriel | Without |
| 22:04.09 | Drundia | that's good |
| 22:04.11 | Iriel | Just SecureActionButtonTemplate |
| 22:04.12 | Maldivia | /run ActionButton1:SetAttribute("macrotext", "/cast blah\n......"); |
| 22:04.47 | Drundia | they have attribute macrotext? omg i didnt notice it when was reading ptr file |
| 22:04.47 | Iriel | I think you need SetAttribute("type", "macro") too, but I haven't looked lately |
| 22:04.55 | Maldivia | ohh yeah |
| 22:05.26 | Maldivia | details |
| 22:05.43 | Drundia | hmmm, doesnt RunMacro accept macro text as argument? wasnt it only id/name? |
| 22:05.47 | Drundia | *does |
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| 22:06.07 | Maldivia | you can't call RunMacro in combat |
| 22:06.49 | JeHicks | Hi there. Just wanted to ask a simple question regarding lua macro scripting in WoW. Sorry if this isnt the place to do it, but i figured if anyone knew, you guys would. I'd like to make a DuDu macro to cast Rejuv, Swiftmend,Rejuv. I know that this is apparently not possible because of the global cooldown on spells, but i was wondering if there was a way around it, by doing something like; While SpellIsOnCooldown do (som |
| 22:06.49 | JeHicks | cast next spell. |
| 22:07.04 | Josh_Borke | JeHicks: in wow 2.0 you can |
| 22:07.17 | Drundia | ah, found it in latest securetemplates.lua |
| 22:07.25 | SB1-Work | JeHicks, /castsquence Rejuvenation, Swiftmend, Rejuvenation |
| 22:07.29 | Josh_Borke | JeHicks: /castsequence Rejuv, Swiftmend, Rejuv (or something like that) |
| 22:07.31 | Josh_Borke | blasted! |
| 22:07.35 | SB1-Work | JeHicks, will require that you press the macro three times, but yeah |
| 22:07.42 | Drundia | i cant call runmacto in combat, but it was used for type=macro in securetemplates.lua |
| 22:07.46 | JeHicks | Josh_Borke: is that in 2.0 only then? |
| 22:07.57 | SB1-Work | Josh_Borke, he asked you, have at it ;) |
| 22:08.00 | Drundia | now i see this: |
| 22:08.02 | Josh_Borke | yes |
| 22:08.04 | Drundia | elseif ( type == "macro" ) then |
| 22:08.04 | Drundia | local macro = SecureButton_GetModifiedAttribute(self, "macro", button); |
| 22:08.04 | Drundia | if ( macro ) then |
| 22:08.04 | Drundia | -- Save macros in case the one for this action is being edited |
| 22:08.04 | Drundia | securecall("MacroFrame_SaveMacro"); |
| 22:08.05 | Drundia | RunMacro(macro, button); |
| 22:08.07 | Drundia | else |
| 22:08.09 | Drundia | local text = SecureButton_GetModifiedAttribute(self, "macrotext", button); |
| 22:08.11 | Drundia | if ( text ) then |
| 22:08.13 | Drundia | RunMacroText(text, button); |
| 22:08.15 | Drundia | end |
| 22:08.17 | Drundia | end |
| 22:08.18 | Maldivia | Drundia: ARGHH |
| 22:08.20 | Drundia | imba RunMacroText |
| 22:08.23 | Drundia | there |
| 22:08.26 | SB1-Work | Drundia, topic |
| 22:08.26 | Josh_Borke | Drundia: use wowi.pastecode.com |
| 22:08.43 | SB1-Work | Drundia, "Paste Code Here: http://wowi.pastey.net/" |
| 22:08.45 | Maldivia | Drundia: there's a reason pastey is in the topic |
| 22:08.56 | Drundia | btw, why does it only do "SpellStopTargeting();" on type=stop? |
| 22:09.00 | Drundia | ok, understood |
| 22:09.07 | JeHicks | Josh_Borke, SB1-Work: Cool thanks very much. Are these changes documented anywhere so i can read about them? (wondering about the use of shapeshifts in /castsequence) |
| 22:09.18 | SB1-Work | JeHicks, stickies in the UI forums |
| 22:09.21 | Drundia | shouldnt it cancel a lot more things? |
| 22:09.25 | Maldivia | JeHicks: check the stickes in the US UI forums |
| 22:09.26 | SB1-Work | JeHicks, there's one dedicated to macros, it's a good read |
| 22:09.39 | Maldivia | Drundia: such as? |
| 22:09.43 | SB1-Work | JeHicks, "Neuro's Macro Guide" or something like that |
| 22:09.59 | JeHicks | Cool thanks, didnt think of that, looked all over WoWWiki. Guess i'll just have to look forward to EU release of 2.0. |
| 22:10.06 | Drundia | well, it should do a few more stopping actions. SpellStopCasting for ex. |
| 22:10.15 | SB1-Work | JeHicks, the UI forums are the place to be for macros currently. |
| 22:10.28 | JeHicks | Okay, thanks all! |
| 22:10.29 | Thunder_Child | JeHicks http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=44757854&pageNo=1&sid=1#0 |
| 22:10.31 | Drundia | is there a slash combat to simulate buttonclick? |
| 22:10.36 | Drundia | *slash command |
| 22:10.47 | Maldivia | /click ActionButton1 |
| 22:11.11 | Drundia | or even /click frame:button ? |
| 22:12.39 | Maldivia | /click frame button |
| 22:13.01 | Maldivia | actually: /click frame button down |
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| 22:14.09 | Drundia | oh, it even takes down/up as last arg? sweet |
| 22:14.42 | Drundia | now the only thing i need is RegisterForClicks accepting custom button names.... |
| 22:15.42 | Maldivia | ohh, /targetraid and /targetparty |
| 22:21.15 | Drundia | :O what is SecurityMatrix in GlueXML? |
| 22:22.50 | Tem | oh for crying out loud |
| 22:23.10 | Tem | I've killed upwards of 30 turtles and only seen 4 preices of meat |
| 22:23.19 | Tem | and this quest wants 10... |
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| 22:24.29 | Drundia | i killed like 300 spiders in hillsbrad to get some spider ichor or something for some quest. |
| 22:24.31 | Elkano | oh, turtle... I need their scales :/ |
| 22:24.45 | Drundia | those were good times |
| 22:24.48 | Tem | I'd just like to add that levels 29-34ish fucking blow as alliance |
| 22:25.12 | Josh_Borke | lol |
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| 22:28.41 | Elkano | greetings Cairenn, work for you: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7035 |
| 22:30.19 | Josh_Borke | bb |
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| 22:31.31 | Mery | that turtle quest does blow |
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| 22:36.16 | Cairenn | thanks Elkano |
| 22:37.16 | Elkano | nvm :) you are doing the work :) |
| 22:39.58 | Drundia | RunMacroText() runs macros of any length or still imba 255 char cap? |
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| 22:52.47 | Inside | <Tem> I'd just like to add that levels 29-34ish fucking blow as alliance ? Really? I did that in a day or two in STV |
| 22:52.57 | Inside | As a paladin, I was getting ~22k/hour xp (unrested0 |
| 22:53.05 | Inside | I haven't gotten that good XP since >_< |
| 22:53.21 | SP|Sorren | wierd, for some reason when i hit ' in firefox it brings up the find bar :/ |
| 22:53.28 | Tem | I'm avoiding STV |
| 22:53.33 | Inside | PVP server? |
| 22:53.43 | Tem | no |
| 22:53.45 | Thunder_Child | i *hate* stv |
| 22:53.48 | Tem | just nightmares from the first time I did it |
| 22:53.54 | Thunder_Child | nothing should be that big w/o mounts |
| 22:54.12 | Tem | that and there isn't an inn within reasonable walking distance |
| 22:54.16 | Tem | yeah, exactly |
| 22:54.18 | Tem | the zone is too big |
| 22:54.57 | Thunder_Child | fellwood and darkshore is in that descripiton, though you would have mounts in fellwood |
| 22:55.05 | Thunder_Child | it;s still iritating as hell |
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| 23:02.30 | SB1-Work | I hate idiots |
| 23:02.32 | Antiarc | STV is a pain pre-mount |
| 23:02.43 | SB1-Work | "When are they going to fix blink?" <-- idiot |
| 23:04.08 | ckknight | is blink broken? |
| 23:04.31 | SB1-Work | No |
| 23:04.37 | SB1-Work | It's the world pathing that is broken |
| 23:04.51 | SB1-Work | http://beta.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1590223 |
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| 23:09.58 | SP|Sorren | my pet sometimes gets stuck on random pieces of land |
| 23:10.02 | SP|Sorren | it sucks :( |
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| 23:18.43 | Drundia | tbh i know how to fix blink |
| 23:19.19 | Drundia | one of possibilities, not really hard i think |
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| 23:19.57 | Mery | *wonders why they didn't do it already* |
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| 23:40.06 | Thardal | it's not easy to fix blink because of the nature of the problem |
| 23:40.22 | Thardal | discontinous collision detection is a pretty hard cs problem |
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| 23:42.33 | Kaso | my guildleader has the best idea ever for the blink problem |
| 23:42.48 | ckknight | what's that, Kaso? |
| 23:43.11 | Kaso | change the tooltip to "Attemps to teleport you 20yrds fowards, but due to instabilities in the magic this effect can be unprediciable" |
| 23:43.48 | Thardal | best fix possible tbh |
| 23:44.08 | Kaso | mm |
| 23:44.08 | Thardal | Attemps to teleport you 20 yds forwards (warning: designed by goblins) |
| 23:44.14 | Kaso | haha |
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| 23:46.52 | Thunder_Child | magic was designed by goblins?...no wonder things keep getting resisted |
| 23:48.53 | Drundia | Thardal, you can ask client to move 20 yds forward at 1000% speed for example |
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| 23:49.45 | Thunder_Child | what if you have hamstring on, do you move at 500% speed then? |
| 23:49.51 | Drundia | ye, i wonder, u can have 100% chance to hit, but only 99% chance to hit with spells. |
| 23:50.01 | Drundia | override it in some way |
| 23:50.27 | Drundia | they just need to change discontinuous collosion detection to continuous |
| 23:50.44 | Drundia | that it simulates actual movement |
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| 23:53.15 | Drundia | they already even fixed CoA in all possible way and still cant fix blink? wtf? |
| 23:53.38 | Guillotine | what was wrong with Curse of Agony that it had to be fixed? |
| 23:54.22 | Drundia | didnt deal damage after caster dies, talents were not applied to bonus damage from items and it was interrupting spells |
| 23:54.43 | Drundia | didnt break stealth and maybe some more |
| 23:54.59 | SP|Sorren | didn't break stealth? |
| 23:55.00 | Thunder_Child | DoT's still dont deal dmg after death in PvE.... |
| 23:55.23 | SP|Sorren | Thunder_Child: in a group? |
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| 23:56.04 | Drundia | coa didnt tick on stealthed units |
| 23:56.14 | Thunder_Child | solo |
| 23:56.31 | Drundia | imo they need to add that good evading feature to pvp |
| 23:57.02 | Drundia | i want to evade, insta-regen and reset my cooldowns after killing every rogue.... |
| 23:58.09 | Kaso | yay ive got finally got a > 350 alchemy recipe |
| 23:58.25 | Kaso | except the herb it needs isnt in the game yet |
