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| 00:01.11 | TuX_BuBling | is it possible to go to a test server to try it out? |
| 00:01.39 | cogwheel | TuX_BuBling: PTR |
| 00:01.48 | TuX_BuBling | ? |
| 00:01.53 | cogwheel | Public test realm... |
| 00:01.53 | Thunder_Child | http://test.worldofwarcraft.com/ptr/ |
| 00:02.02 | Thunder_Child | though it seems to be down atm |
| 00:02.39 | Thunder_Child | odd...i dont remeber a test at the begining of the link |
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| 00:03.00 | TuX_BuBling | ok |
| 00:03.09 | TuX_BuBling | this will be a bigg mess |
| 00:03.24 | TuX_BuBling | All UI to remade... |
| 00:03.36 | TuX_BuBling | i'll wait for it before remade my flexbar settings :p |
| 00:04.24 | Thrae | TuX_BuBling: One of the ideas for 2.0 was to disable most of Flexbar-like addon functionality. |
| 00:04.41 | Thrae | TuX_BuBling: In combat, anyway. |
| 00:05.20 | cogwheel | hey now... that's a bit misleading if you consider "most" of flexbar's functionality to be layout-related :P |
| 00:06.16 | Thrae | People would use Bongos if it was just layout-related, people use Flexbar to react to certain events, which is suppose to be prohibited in 2.0. |
| 00:06.36 | cogwheel | But yeah... if you have buttons appearing/disappearing/remapping based on combat conditions (like dodge for overpower, for instance) then you're SOL |
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| 00:13.33 | TuX_BuBling | SOL? |
| 00:13.47 | TuX_BuBling | Yes flexbar is nice cause it's flexible |
| 00:13.52 | TuX_BuBling | bongos is crap |
| 00:14.04 | cogwheel | ... |
| 00:14.09 | Thunder_Child | SOL = Shit out of luck |
| 00:14.15 | TuX_BuBling | whell lol |
| 00:14.31 | TuX_BuBling | but i'm pretty sure flexbar devs will do something quickly ;) |
| 00:14.34 | TuX_BuBling | actually i hope |
| 00:15.09 | Tuller | its not a "I hope the devs can make buttons show hide in combat based on X condition", its just not possible anymore |
| 00:15.23 | cogwheel | It's not a matter of the FlexBar devs... it's a matter of blizzard disabling a lot of functionality that addons have historically used |
| 00:15.43 | cogwheel | Spend some time in the UI & Macros forum (and also on the flexbar forums) and you'll understand |
| 00:15.46 | TuX_BuBling | wtf they removed such good things Oo |
| 00:15.58 | TuX_BuBling | yes is hould ;) |
| 00:16.32 | Tuller | you can do visibility things on non combat things, like stances, help harm, or unit existence, but nothing based on ranged or unit health or anything like that |
| 00:16.33 | Thunder_Child | ~calm cogwheel |
| 00:16.43 | purl | ACTION sooths cogwheel, offers a backrub, tea, a jacuzzi and anything else that might help calm cogwheel down. |
| 00:18.20 | TuX_BuBling | mmmh blizzard is doing some strange things really |
| 00:18.38 | cogwheel | it's not strange if you've been around :P |
| 00:18.44 | cogwheel | most of us saw it coming ;) |
| 00:18.50 | Thunder_Child | and ducked |
| 00:20.17 | Tuller | it turned the interface forum into the general forum for about a month :) |
| 00:20.51 | Thunder_Child | though i have to admit it even iritated the people that support the changes for a moment |
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| 00:22.01 | Tuller | well, it gave me an excuse to remove scripting from bongos |
| 00:24.03 | Tuller | state changes still make me a little sad, though |
| 00:24.35 | Drundia | the biggest problem of those changes are latency and limitations of input devices |
| 00:25.35 | Drundia | the client blocks ability to cast new spell while it considers other spell casting, something what addons are no longer allowed to do |
| 00:26.53 | TuX_BuBling | well i'm not reading the englsih forum |
| 00:27.19 | TuX_BuBling | and that's bad thing for me cause i had knew this.... |
| 00:28.25 | Tuller | you wouldn't have spent 3 hours setting up your UI? :) |
| 00:29.13 | TuX_BuBling | mmmh i didn't :) |
| 00:29.29 | TuX_BuBling | i had a couple of new ace addons recently |
| 00:29.45 | TuX_BuBling | but i didn't changed my flexbar settings |
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| 00:33.02 | Maldivia | arghh |
| 00:37.41 | Thunder_Child | ah, yhe warbleing cry of the iritated |
| 00:37.47 | Thunder_Child | s/yhe/the/ |
| 00:38.34 | Maldivia | just noticed, that the suffix id in item links can be negative, if it uses the new suffix types, and positive if the old style |
| 00:39.08 | Thunder_Child | "look dear, see over ther, it's the red faced Malivia, such a wonderfull sight" |
| 00:42.21 | Thunder_Child | "Aww, honey, it's purring" |
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| 00:43.54 | Saeris | Does one have to use a state header to change the visibility of a frame through a keybinding, or is the fact that it's being done through a keybinding enough for the API? |
| 00:44.47 | Drundia | i think it's more like yes |
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| 01:06.23 | KarlKFI | Is the new 'Mana Regeneration' the same thing as mp5? I'm seeing both attributes still in beta |
| 01:06.25 | Warla | howdy :-) |
| 01:06.41 | Warla | hey you wont beleave it |
| 01:06.54 | Warla | but today i actually got a cool GM who responded to my ticket |
| 01:06.59 | KarlKFI | wow |
| 01:07.00 | Warla | check this out: |
| 01:07.01 | Warla | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=49488087&sid=1 |
| 01:07.07 | Warla | kickass :-) |
| 01:07.10 | Warla | owned so much |
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| 01:07.44 | Maldivia | lol... the new dynamic suffixes in TBC, are dependant on the items serial number... if you change the number you get _insane_ stats in links :) |
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| 01:08.26 | Saeris | Always been that way. A whole lot of the unused suffixes are still in game, just not accessible. |
| 01:09.15 | Maldivia | no no, has nothing to do with that |
| 01:09.25 | Maldivia | Old style suffix used predetermined values for the different attributes |
| 01:09.59 | Maldivia | New style suffix calculate the stats, from item level and item serial number |
| 01:10.12 | Saeris | You're saying the new negative ones are actually based on the number in the link instead of what that number represents in some predefined table? |
| 01:10.23 | Maldivia | yes |
| 01:10.35 | Maldivia | the predefined table contains what stats the are, and a multiplier |
| 01:10.55 | Saeris | Ah, interesting. Have a specific example I could try? |
| 01:10.58 | Maldivia | which is then combined with the item level and some random factor contributed by the "serial number" |
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| 01:12.21 | Maldivia | 24627:0:0:0:0:0:-15:456456 |
| 01:12.36 | Maldivia | -15 = +spirit |
| 01:13.50 | Saeris | Wow. |
| 01:14.02 | Saeris | That's... a lot of spirit. |
| 01:14.49 | Maldivia | Ohh... |
| 01:15.06 | Saeris | Does the server still only check the base item for validity when linking, or does it now check the suffix too? |
| 01:15.09 | Maldivia | The low-word of the last number is used :) |
| 01:15.39 | Maldivia | so 65535 should yield the largest possible value |
| 01:16.24 | Saeris | Makes sense. |
| 01:16.36 | Maldivia | one step closer to understanding the last digit |
| 01:16.41 | Maldivia | last number |
| 01:18.36 | Maldivia | ok, suffix values are [low word] * multiplier/10000 from dbc files |
| 01:19.28 | Maldivia | and floored |
| 01:21.29 | Maldivia | Why do I have the feeling, that other will find out aswell, and as soon as TBC hits, we'll see a cascade of fake links :| |
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| 01:30.44 | Saeris | So new items will have negative suffix IDs, even for classic suffixes like "of the Eagle"? |
| 01:31.42 | Tain | So I just started playing Phantasy Star Universe. Here's a quote I hope I never hear from the news. "The local fauna has become increasingly hostile." |
| 01:34.25 | Xavalia | rofl |
| 01:34.45 | Xavalia | flora was plants and fauna was insects right? |
| 01:35.50 | ckknight | fauna is animals |
| 01:36.11 | ckknight | which includes insects |
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| 01:41.19 | ckknight | how big can textures be in WoW? |
| 01:41.40 | grimman|afkish | 512x512 |
| 01:41.41 | Maldivia | 512x512 |
| 01:41.43 | Saeris | 512x... yeah |
| 01:41.46 | ckknight | hrm, okay |
| 01:42.23 | ckknight | I'm going to try to make it so that for Battlegrounds, you can show the vital parts of the map, while hiding the non-virtal parts |
| 01:42.28 | ckknight | vital* |
| 01:42.37 | ckknight | this is for Cartographer |
| 01:42.57 | Maldivia | Saeris: dont know if drops in Azeroth will drop with the old style, or use the new one |
| 01:43.23 | Osagasu | Give me some names of mods that remove the default Blizz Action Bard, please? |
| 01:43.31 | grimman|afkish | Maldivia: Drops? |
| 01:43.46 | ckknight | Osagasu, Bartender |
| 01:44.02 | Maldivia | grimman: if loot from azeroth will use positive or negative suffixes |
| 01:44.09 | grimman|afkish | Oh. |
| 01:44.16 | grimman|afkish | Thought you were on about the weather system, lol. |
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| 01:49.25 | Corrodias | i wonder if Warden isn't as effective as i think, if botting is so common that that post refers to "those bots" |
| 01:50.30 | Corrodias | well, "those friggin bots" |
| 01:51.00 | Osagasu | Thanks ckknight. |
| 01:51.04 | cladhaire | well, when writing a program like that, its cat and mouse. |
| 01:52.15 | Corrodias | though it would take a while, the accounts will eventually be banned for it, right? although that's enough time to farm some gold, which is the point of the farmers and their many accounts |
| 01:52.48 | Tain | People write protection to hide from Warden, Warden gets updated each patch, people write new protection. |
| 01:53.04 | Tain | It's a constant thing. IT doesn't stop the peopel who really want to bot, it stops the casual botter. |
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| 01:53.33 | Maldivia | casual botter... hmm, who said SWG... |
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| 02:01.23 | Corrodias | i need to think about my mage build more. all three trees sound pretty spiffy, especially in the expansion. |
| 02:01.43 | cladhaire | http://www.wiley.com/WileyCDA/WileyTitle/productCd-0470110023.html |
| 02:02.47 | Corrodias | whoa. there's some misrepresenting your product there. |
| 02:02.57 | cladhaire | heheh |
| 02:03.18 | cladhaire | KarlKFI put it best, hacking sells, mods are free.. but i hate the title. |
| 02:04.11 | Corrodias | well, anyway, i'd better get back to work. i'm hacking my paper for class, by typing into it. |
| 02:04.25 | cladhaire | =) |
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| 02:06.52 | kergoth | hmm... 5% to hit, 5% to crit, 5% to dodge, or +30% mutilate damage boost |
| 02:08.59 | Corrodias | anybody know how high a level enemies get in BC? |
| 02:09.38 | cladhaire | SKULL |
| 02:09.50 | Corrodias | boy that's not as helpful as i had hoped |
| 02:10.25 | grimman|afkish | Will "level 500" make you feel any better? :P |
| 02:10.39 | MatthewS | haha |
| 02:10.47 | Corrodias | i'm just curious if it'll be 73, or higher |
| 02:10.58 | Tain | I want to be level one million. |
| 02:11.35 | grimman|afkish | Bet you wouldn't after you see how much exp is required to level from 999 999 -> 1 000 000. |
| 02:11.37 | Tain | And if that isn't high enough I'll go Super Saiyan. |
| 02:11.55 | Corrodias | it's over NINE THOUSAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAND |
| 02:15.46 | grimman|afkish | *sigh* |
| 02:15.54 | grimman|afkish | The AirWolf movie has the worst music EVER. |
| 02:16.05 | grimman|afkish | kergoth: Daggers or swords? |
| 02:16.58 | Neuro_Medivh | Airwolf movie? |
| 02:17.04 | grimman|afkish | Yes. |
| 02:17.04 | Neuro_Medivh | as in, the bad 80s tv show? |
| 02:17.09 | grimman|afkish | No. |
| 02:17.15 | grimman|afkish | As in the awesome 80s TV show. |
| 02:17.16 | grimman|afkish | :P |
| 02:17.32 | Neuro_Medivh | please. It was a Knight Rider ripoff |
| 02:17.41 | kergoth | grimman|afkish, i was swords, but in the beta i'm back to daggers, since the top tier combat talent is mediocre |
| 02:17.56 | kergoth | flipping back and forth between various mutilate and shadowstep builds |
| 02:17.57 | grimman|afkish | kergoth: Combat potency isn't though. |
| 02:18.11 | kergoth | this is true |
| 02:18.19 | kergoth | blade twisting seems like itd rock for solo, but i havent seen it proc once |
| 02:18.22 | kergoth | :| |
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| 02:18.55 | grimman|afkish | Solo? I'd say it's a PVP skill if anything. |
| 02:19.17 | grimman|afkish | So you can dual instant instead of having crippling on MH and instant OH. |
| 02:19.56 | kergoth | the pvp effectiveness is obvious, but i figured anything thatll make a mob not be hitting me, even for a short period, is good for solo survivability |
| 02:19.57 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:20.07 | kergoth | hmm |
| 02:20.10 | grimman|afkish | Daze is a snare though. ;) |
| 02:20.31 | Neuro_Medivh | except it can't be removed |
| 02:21.15 | grimman|afkish | Blade twisting will make hunter+rogue a nice-ish pair for arenas. |
| 02:21.30 | kergoth | how are the arenas? i havent tried em yet |
| 02:21.31 | grimman|afkish | Hunters get quite a bit of bonus damage with Steady Shot on dazed targets. |
| 02:21.47 | Tain | It was so funny on my Rogue. As crazy as it sounds I was able to solo better in blues than when I had T2 and some T3. Because I focused so much on plus dodge and crit. |
| 02:21.50 | grimman|afkish | I've only done skirmish, but I think it's alot of fun. :) |
| 02:22.07 | Guillotine | I love my current combo. arms warrior/subtelty rogue/feral druid, all bleed specced |
| 02:22.25 | grimman|afkish | I focused crit on my first rogue too. |
| 02:22.47 | grimman|afkish | Still does really wild damage with blues and Krol+Hakkari offhand. |
| 02:24.37 | grimman|afkish | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent-bc=f0xZG0EzrVzx0hRtxMxo << Gonna try that when the time comes. :) |
| 02:25.38 | cladhaire | shadowstep is a lot of fun |
| 02:25.40 | cladhaire | shadowstep, sap |
| 02:25.46 | cladhaire | waste of combo points.. but fun =)]\ |
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| 02:26.05 | grimman|afkish | Uh... neither skill requires combo points. :P |
| 02:30.01 | Tain | Uses energy. |
| 02:30.07 | Tain | Energy equals combo points. |
| 02:30.31 | cladhaire | no. |
| 02:30.33 | cladhaire | gives combo points |
| 02:30.35 | cladhaire | doesn't it? |
| 02:30.45 | grimman|afkish | Nop. |
| 02:30.46 | cladhaire | oph |
| 02:30.52 | cladhaire | i was counting premed =) |
| 02:30.59 | cladhaire | but that would be stupid. |
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| 02:31.03 | grimman|afkish | Kinda daft to premed a sap. :P |
| 02:31.07 | Corrodias | arcane doesn't have any damage spells other than explosion and missiles, does it? hrmm |
| 02:31.19 | cladhaire | yeah, i'm on crack |
| 02:33.34 | Corrodias | although the arcane tree mostly enhances all spells |
| 02:34.03 | Tain | Sapped girls don't say no. |
| 02:34.20 | grimman|afkish | Gnomes sap in the groin. |
| 02:36.10 | MatthewS | for mage only? or druidic/hunter stuff of the type arcane as well? |
| 02:36.20 | Corrodias | mage |
| 02:36.39 | MatthewS | only direct dmg i know of |
| 02:37.26 | Arrowmaster | arcane blast |
| 02:38.15 | Corrodias | ah, you're right. that's not a bad one. and you get a 40% threat reduction on arcane spells |
| 02:44.58 | Corrodias | frost doesn't really tickle my fancy, but arcane and fire both sound pretty tasty |
| 02:45.14 | grimman|afkish | But frost is cool! |
| 02:47.36 | Arrowmaster | fire got nerfed |
| 02:47.43 | Arrowmaster | no more rolling ignites |
| 02:47.48 | Corrodias | rolling ignites? |
| 02:48.59 | Arrowmaster | yes that game mechanic that lets a group of fire mages force a single fire mage to do over 500 dps while standing there doing nothing and wishing the others would stop before he gets squished |
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| 02:49.13 | Corrodias | i have no idea what you're talking about |
| 02:49.49 | Corrodias | that certainly sounds like an unintentional effect |
| 02:50.19 | grimman|afkish | Hunters have it good now. If a group of hunters decide they don't like a person they can just give him all their aggro for a while. ^^ |
| 02:50.52 | Malivil | cool |
| 02:51.14 | Corrodias | can one of you explain what Arrowmaster is talking about? |
| 02:51.22 | grimman|afkish | Negative. |
| 02:51.27 | Arrowmaster | i still havent had a chance to test if CancelPlayerBuff() can be called without a hardware event in combat |
| 02:52.01 | Arrowmaster | trying to find a forum post explaining it |
| 02:53.10 | Corrodias | referencing ignite? |
| 02:53.34 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 02:53.47 | Corrodias | okay, thanks |
| 02:54.17 | Arrowmaster | was a good one on the EJ forums but it seems buried now |
| 02:54.31 | cladhaire | Druid + Warlock == sick in the areana |
| 02:54.39 | cladhaire | s/ean/en/ |
| 02:55.05 | Corrodias | he says druid |
| 02:55.07 | Arrowmaster | people seem too focused on 2v2 arena |
| 02:55.21 | cladhaire | cause its all you can get groups for. |
| 02:55.22 | cladhaire | i mean |
| 02:55.22 | Corrodias | why does he say druid? |
| 02:55.23 | cladhaire | pickups. |
| 02:56.02 | Arrowmaster | the real arena teams will be for 5v5 since it gets the most points |
| 02:56.38 | Corrodias | (he said druid!) |
| 02:56.38 | Corrodias | you sure it isn't shadow priest + warlock? |
| 02:56.42 | Arrowmaster | theres a lot of good 2v2 combos |
| 02:57.37 | cladhaire | no, druid + warlock |
| 02:57.38 | Corrodias | i don't see how a druid and a warlock complement each other |
| 02:57.39 | cladhaire | i know.. i'm the druid |
| 02:57.41 | cladhaire | and we haven't lost. |
| 02:57.46 | cladhaire | cause they're not squishy |
| 02:57.50 | cladhaire | i dont have to heal them like i do a mage |
| 02:58.03 | cladhaire | we can actually be a hybrid in that fight |
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| 02:59.43 | Arrowmaster | Corrodias, http://forums.elitistjerks.com/viewtopic.php?id=7672 |
| 03:00.38 | MentalPower | so, it turns out that I bricked my router |
| 03:01.09 | Malivil | hmm? |
| 03:01.18 | MentalPower | word to the wise: do not install HyperWRT on your WRT54G, and if you already have it installed don't try to switch firmware |
| 03:01.30 | Corrodias | why's that? |
| 03:01.52 | Corrodias | hard to install? always screws it up? |
| 03:02.27 | Arrowmaster | heh i just got a new (not really) wrt54g setup in my house, havent bothed to play with alternative firmware much yet |
| 03:02.52 | MentalPower | cause it turns out that HyperWRT changes the identity of the router and makes it think that its a WRT54GS, and in turn will only accept (from that point on) firmware for the GS wich will brick the router |
| 03:03.22 | MentalPower | I tried everything short of using a JTAG cable to resurrect it, nothing worked |
| 03:03.26 | Corrodias | i am curious if you chose the wrong version of hyperwrt |
| 03:03.34 | |Shadow| | are there any addons that can search the auction house |
| 03:03.40 | |Shadow| | for items that are a certain price? |
| 03:03.46 | Tain | DD-WRT is the way to go. |
| 03:03.47 | Corrodias | because damn, that's a stupid thing for it to do |
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| 03:03.51 | MentalPower | thats what I thought too, but I double checked and thats not the case |
| 03:03.55 | cladhaire | night all |
| 03:03.57 | Corrodias | what a coincidence, i'm also using dd-wrt on the router right here |
| 03:03.59 | MentalPower | |Shadow|: Auctioneer |
| 03:04.09 | MentalPower | I was trying to switch to DD-WRT |
| 03:04.11 | Tain | DD-WRT is good stuff. |
| 03:04.14 | |Shadow| | i have that, how do i search for items with a 1g buyout? :P |
| 03:04.53 | MentalPower | |Shadow|: Search Auctions tab, select the buyout search and put a min profit to your liking |
| 03:05.02 | MentalPower | you can't blindly search for stuff at 1g |
| 03:05.07 | Mike-N-Go | |Shadow|: Make a subroutine that does it. |
| 03:05.46 | |Shadow| | i've even searched for stuff with 1c profit with that thing |
| 03:05.49 | |Shadow| | and i never find any results |
| 03:05.49 | Mike-N-Go | Learn, I don't know much, but I am on my 2nd addon. |
| 03:05.50 | |Shadow| | :( |
| 03:05.51 | MentalPower | you can however search by itemName and you can then sort by biuyout |
| 03:06.09 | |Shadow| | 9[04MentalPower9-> not when theres 5.8k items in the auction house :P |
| 03:06.32 | MentalPower | |Shadow|: have you scanned within the past 24hrs before using the search auctions tab |
| 03:07.04 | |Shadow| | don't think so |
| 03:07.05 | |Shadow| | why? |
| 03:07.11 | Arrowmaster | scan first |
| 03:07.17 | Arrowmaster | thats how auctioneer works |
| 03:07.24 | |Shadow| | ah ok :P |
| 03:07.50 | MentalPower | yeah, you need to scan first before doing anything useful with Auctioneer |
| 03:08.05 | |Shadow| | oh ok :P |
| 03:08.09 | |Shadow| | i've been meaning to scan with it anyways |
| 03:08.55 | MentalPower | note: price recomendations *WILL* be off, at least till about a week of solid scanning |
| 03:09.09 | |Shadow| | ok :) |
| 03:09.15 | |Shadow| | i use wowecon for most of my priceing |
| 03:10.01 | Malivil-Sleep | I have nothing better to do |
| 03:10.03 | Malivil-Sleep | so good night |
| 03:10.12 | |Shadow| | nn |
| 03:24.44 | Mike-N-Go | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:25.07 | Mike-N-Go | ~dict legibleness |
| 03:25.40 | Osagasu | kekekekeke... I shall be joining you all on Hellfire SOON! |
| 03:28.01 | |Shadow| | ~beer |
| 03:28.04 | purl | ACTION has disconnected (Read error: 99 (Connection reset by beer)) |
| 03:28.07 | |Shadow| | im off to sleep :) |
| 03:28.12 | |Shadow| | nn :P |
| 03:29.06 | Osagasu | g'night |
| 03:30.57 | Tain | Oh no what is the world coming to. First Britney and Kevin, now Pam Anderson and Kid Rock? |
| 03:31.25 | Osagasu | I'd be more worried about Katie Holmes and Tom Cruise... |
| 03:31.40 | Osagasu | SHe was hot before they got married... Now she's nuts. |
| 03:34.08 | Mike-N-Go | You can test mine. |
| 03:34.14 | Mike-N-Go | ~Mike-N-Go |
| 03:34.16 | purl | rumour has it, mike-n-go is the n00blet that could.. The author of AutoMailDirector, available on WoWI |
| 03:34.26 | Osagasu | ...NO idea what that is. |
| 03:34.46 | Osagasu | Is that like, some ripoff of FMA? :P |
| 03:34.50 | Osagasu | Joking, of course. |
| 03:34.51 | Mike-N-Go | ~Mike-N-Go is also http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6139-AutoMailDirector.html |
| 03:34.52 | purl | okay, Mike-N-Go |
| 03:34.59 | Mike-N-Go | ~Mike-N-Go |
| 03:35.01 | purl | i heard mike-n-go is the n00blet that could.. The author of AutoMailDirector, available on WoWI, or http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6139-AutoMailDirector.html |
| 03:35.30 | Osagasu | So basically I can set it to send stuff automatically to my guild's bank if I wanted to do that? |
| 03:36.20 | Mike-N-Go | Sure |
| 03:36.53 | Osagasu | But it isn't updated for BC, looks like. |
| 03:37.18 | Mike-N-Go | Currently, it looks up the itemType (IE: armor, weapon, recipe...) but a future revision is due to be fully user configurable. |
| 03:37.21 | Mike-N-Go | Nope. |
| 03:37.30 | Mike-N-Go | That would be because I don't have TBC |
| 03:37.55 | Mike-N-Go | That was my first addon. |
| 03:38.10 | Osagasu | Well, the PTRs use the newest interface version, don't they? |
| 03:38.28 | Osagasu | And why don't you go and sign up for WoWI's Mod Author thing? |
| 03:38.36 | Mike-N-Go | I tried to get into the PTRs once, but the links fed into them-selves. |
| 03:38.45 | Mike-N-Go | Yup, after I submitted that addon. |
| 03:39.18 | Mike-N-Go | Still waiting for it. |
| 03:40.08 | Mike-N-Go | Once I get TBC, I will update it for that. |
| 03:50.34 | Corrodias | PTR patch: makes another copy of your game, so you can run both? or do i have to make a copy of it myself? i don't remember if i asked before. |
| 03:51.36 | Thunder_Child | amkes another coppy, it pulls from your live one |
| 03:51.39 | Thunder_Child | makes* |
| 03:52.54 | Corrodias | how does it know where to find the current one? it seems to have started without me telling it where... |
| 03:53.10 | abug | windows registry ftw |
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| 03:53.54 | Corrodias | well what do you know, it is in there. either i put it in there manually so long ago or WoW wrote it when i ran it for the first time. i just copied it from another computer. |
| 03:54.30 | abug | the latter no doubt |
| 03:55.11 | Corrodias | you have no doubt that i don't have the foresight to copy registry entries when copying games from one computer to another? |
| 03:55.39 | abug | er um |
| 03:55.39 | Corrodias | my memory may not be great, but it's not the first time i've done it |
| 03:56.20 | abug | I copied mine from another computer as well, but didn't make registry entries |
| 03:56.28 | abug | and they're in there now |
| 03:56.53 | Corrodias | so you're certain that it will write it on its own if it doesn't exist |
| 03:57.20 | abug | hmm maybe I'm not that certain |
| 03:57.35 | abug | ~captain planet |
| 03:58.11 | Corrodias | arr. well, i agree that it probably does, because that would be very convenient. |
| 04:02.21 | Thunder_Child | Corrodias, i do belive that wow creates it own etery every time it is launched (and there is not one already) |
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| 04:02.32 | Thunder_Child | entery* |
| 04:02.35 | Thunder_Child | ... |
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| 04:02.48 | Corrodias | entrerie |
| 04:03.00 | Thunder_Child | i dont think that is it either |
| 04:03.11 | Tuller | hrm, something is causing a significant pause when I page |
| 04:03.19 | kergoth | yes, wow does create the registry entries when you run it |
| 04:03.30 | Thunder_Child | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4rJubpJctk |
| 04:03.38 | kergoth | so if you move it from one path to another, the registry entries will be fixed the first time you run it in the new location |
| 04:06.28 | Thunder_Child | lol there is a squid staff with moving tenticles |
| 04:06.42 | Thunder_Child | 2:58 |
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| 04:10.42 | Osagasu | So I could Move WoW to a different hard disk and still be able to run it? |
| 04:10.58 | kergoth | yes |
| 04:14.23 | Corrodias | that's what i did |
| 04:16.11 | Osagasu | yay! I can finally get it off this crap that has Windows on it |
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| 04:19.45 | Tuller | bleh, it looks like its not related to any addon |
| 04:19.59 | Tuller | but rapid paging of bars actually locks up the game now it seems |
| 04:20.57 | kergoth | ouch |
| 04:21.35 | Garoun|Loupana | trinity buttons was causing a horrible lag before the fix |
| 04:21.41 | Garoun|Loupana | about to test the fixed version |
| 04:21.50 | Garoun|Loupana | I had a 10s pause every time I switched weapons |
| 04:23.05 | Tuller | hrm, same thing for that |
| 04:23.13 | Tuller | except not ten seconds |
| 04:28.23 | Corrodias | sigh. gg, blizzard. |
| 04:28.32 | Corrodias | alt+shift+2 does not self-cast shift+2 |
| 04:36.37 | Thunder_Child | Particle effects FTW!! |
| 04:36.49 | Corrodias | how interesting, the addons are actually called -incompatible-, rather than just out of date |
| 04:37.47 | Tuller | found it :) |
| 04:39.44 | Tuller | looks like its something in blizzard's action buttons causing the delay :) |
| 04:40.01 | Tuller | completely removing all events fixed it |
| 04:40.03 | Osagasu | Fix it Corr. |
| 04:41.06 | Corrodias | i'm not an author. i was just thinking of getting a head start on trying to get my addons updated. |
| 04:41.28 | Corrodias | but the scope of that task is rather daunting |
| 04:41.32 | Garoun|Loupana | Corr I don't think the Load out of Date is even working for 2.0 |
| 04:41.55 | Garoun|Loupana | probably because they knew a lot of mobs are going to blow up and they want to force people to update |
| 04:42.37 | norgs | afaik load out of date only works for toc versions 20000 and above |
| 04:42.48 | norgs | less than that are "incompatible" |
| 04:43.36 | Garoun|Loupana | yeah, and that makes sense now that I thought about it |
| 04:43.44 | Corrodias | i'm not leet enough to fix the addons i use myself, and i have that terrible feeling that many of the addons are no longer being updated |
| 04:44.05 | Garoun|Loupana | well start your looking now :P |
| 04:44.11 | Garoun|Loupana | there are plenty of sites with BC addons loaded |
| 04:44.26 | Garoun|Loupana | I'm using 2.0 to rebuild my ui from scratch and trim some fat |
| 04:44.59 | Thunder_Child | yeasame here Garoun|Loupana |
| 04:45.04 | Thunder_Child | yea same* |
| 04:45.15 | Corrodias | i use around 150 addons. i was really quite comfortable in my little fort of addons. |
| 04:46.01 | Garoun|Loupana | lol |
| 04:46.12 | Garoun|Loupana | time to take a step back and see what you actually use |
| 04:46.14 | Corrodias | now i have to try to rebuild my little fort |
| 04:46.35 | Corrodias | i have done that a couple of times. i like every one that i still use. |
| 04:47.37 | abug | ~eat Corrodias |
| 04:47.40 | purl | ACTION eats Corrodias and falls over dead |
| 04:55.09 | Thunder_Child | wow 150...thats alot |
| 04:55.49 | Thunder_Child | i have 127 ish not including bliiz default ones |
| 04:56.00 | Thunder_Child | blizz* |
| 04:57.08 | Thunder_Child | anyone have a confermed release on the patch yet? |
| 04:58.05 | Corrodias | it seems that the official Lua interpreter is linux source code. |
| 04:59.31 | Corrodias | aaand it just so happens that i don't have a linux virtual machine on this computer, yet. :( |
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| 05:01.45 | ckknight | hey all |
| 05:02.15 | Thunder_Child | sup ck |
| 05:05.06 | Thunder_Child | is it possable you can create "zones" on the map so you can chek to see if the partymemebrs are in the correct "area"? |
| 05:06.11 | Mike-N-Go | Oh, Osagasu, if you want to make an addon that would mail said item to your guild bank you would: 1)Trigger by key binding 2) Attach item to COD slot by PickupContainerItem() then ClickSendMailItemButton() 3) Mail to the guild bank by putting it's name in SendMail() |
| 05:06.54 | Mike-N-Go | The only problem would be if the item is unsendable, ie: soulbound. |
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| 05:08.09 | ckknight | Thunder_Child, what do you mean? |
| 05:08.09 | Mike-N-Go | My addon tests for the itemtype, that is how it choses it's recipient. |
| 05:09.47 | Thunder_Child | well, say you were in a n instance and ppl had to go to different points, if you could set up areas on the map that would check for the pary/raid person icon to be within thes areas |
| 05:09.58 | Thunder_Child | thoes* |
| 05:10.02 | Thunder_Child | those* |
| 05:10.33 | Corrodias | haha... altcast the addon no longer works, and blizzard's own alt casting doesn't work either |
| 05:10.37 | Corrodias | well, that just about makes it complete crap |
| 05:11.34 | Mike-N-Go | Whew, I was scared for a sec there; I use option for that, I am on a Mac. |
| 05:11.43 | Thunder_Child | and all of that w/o haveing to open up the map, so you have a little scoreboard and it says when they are in their asigned place. e.g. bob = no, bob2 = no, bob3 = yes |
| 05:11.48 | Corrodias | it might conceivably work if updated to a secure thingy. |
| 05:12.10 | Corrodias | Mike-N-Go: so option+shift+2 self-casts shift+2? |
| 05:13.05 | Mike-N-Go | It says "Fishing pole must be equipped" otherwise yes. |
| 05:14.21 | Mike-N-Go | It can't cast because I don't have my fishing pole, I guess. |
| 05:14.32 | ckknight | Thunder_Child, you can't tell direction/position/etc in instances, so no |
| 05:15.10 | Mike-N-Go | Ok, that was a play on words: I really mean; Wait, nope, shift does not work for that, opt 2 casts tho. |
| 05:15.30 | Thunder_Child | thats why i am saying useing the map, you literaly draw squares/circles on the map then check to see when the icon is indies it |
| 05:15.35 | Thunder_Child | inside it* |
| 05:15.36 | Mike-N-Go | I though 'cast' as in fishing pole 9.9 |
| 05:15.41 | Mike-N-Go | First |
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| 05:28.17 | Corrodias | grr |
| 05:34.03 | Mike-N-Go | How is Palidan spelled? |
| 05:34.59 | Mike-N-Go | The spacial, Alliance only class. |
| 05:35.42 | Mike-N-Go | Ahh, nvm, found it: Paladin |
| 05:36.18 | Nom- | I'm rolling a Shaman tonight |
| 05:36.21 | Nom- | I've decided on it |
| 05:36.31 | Nom- | Just because I can't wait for pally |
| 05:43.40 | MentalPower | ~WDFH |
| 05:47.25 | Mike-N-Go | MentalPower: Huh? |
| 05:48.31 | Thunder_Child | all i could guess was What Da Fucking Hell |
| 05:48.40 | Thunder_Child | but it didnt seem to really fit |
| 05:49.25 | MentalPower | ~WDFH |
| 05:49.26 | purl | it has been said that wdfh is "Work Done For Hire", its a lawyer's term that is used in companies meaning that anything that you invent while being an employee (even if its not in office hours) is their property. |
| 05:49.46 | Thunder_Child | iritating, but true |
| 05:49.50 | MentalPower | ~WDFH |
| 05:49.52 | purl | "Work Done For Hire", its a lawyer's term that is used in companies meaning that anything that you invent while being an employee (even if its not in office hours) is their property. |
| 05:49.55 | MentalPower | better |
| 05:51.38 | Mike-N-Go | That is sad. |
| 05:51.38 | Thunder_Child | this is one time i have to agree with the posters http://blue.cardplace.com/newcache/us/50195075.htm |
| 05:52.04 | Mike-N-Go | Why would someone want to agree to that? |
| 05:52.21 | Thunder_Child | because they want to feed themslefs/family |
| 05:52.23 | Thunder_Child | s |
| 05:52.34 | Cairenn|afk | to get the job? lol, welcome to coding for a living (amongst other things) |
| 05:52.52 | MentalPower | yeah, sad but true |
| 05:53.32 | Thunder_Child | UCLA alone has about 10 Billion dollars in patents from students just sitting around doing nothing |
| 05:54.39 | MentalPower | if you're lucky and work in academia, your university may grant you the rights to develop what you invented as a spinoff (Iowa State University does it regularly) |
| 05:54.59 | Mike-N-Go | Thunder, what do you mean, that the student's fun things get turned into profit? |
| 05:55.18 | Thunder_Child | no, but what they invent while in school is owened by the school |
| 05:55.22 | Mike-N-Go | For there school? |
| 05:55.30 | Thunder_Child | and all of these patents are sitting around collecting dust |
| 05:55.52 | Thunder_Child | no, even on their own time |
| 05:56.06 | Thunder_Child | but to be honest they are useing the schools resourses |
| 05:57.02 | Thunder_Child | some guy offered the school a coulbe hundred million to use the patents but they turned him down |
| 05:57.10 | Thunder_Child | couple* |
| 05:58.30 | Thunder_Child | hmm..maybe it was 1 bill not 10...eirth way it's alot of money to be doing nothing |
| 06:01.24 | Mike-N-Go | My question; why? |
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| 06:01.38 | Thunder_Child | why to what? |
| 06:02.09 | Guillotine | hmm. how would you make a macro to cast blast wave if its not on cooldown, AE otherwise in TBC. is it still possible? "/castsequence reset=30 Blastwave, Arcane Explosion" kind of works, but only casts AE once before bugging out |
| 06:03.13 | MentalPower | there is no cooldown state, so thats not possible |
| 06:04.07 | MentalPower | Mike-N-Go: cause you used the universities resources to create your invention, so they have the rights to that invention |
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| 06:05.19 | Mike-N-Go | So, does the GPL protect your work from your University, MentalPower? |
| 06:05.39 | Guillotine | so the old /cast Blastwave /cast Arcane Explosion doesn't work anymore? |
| 06:05.46 | MentalPower | no, its technically not your code to GPL in that case |
| 06:06.28 | Mike-N-Go | So, you are doing something illegal by licensing you IP? |
| 06:06.33 | Mike-N-Go | ~IP |
| 06:06.34 | purl | mike-n-go IP is a connectionless, best-effort packet switching protocol. It provides packet routing, fragmentation and re-assembly through the data link layer. [internet protocol] |
| 06:07.01 | Mike-N-Go | intellectual property == IP |
| 06:07.06 | MentalPower | its not your IP to license, its the universities |
| 06:07.13 | MentalPower | I know what IP is in this context |
| 06:07.21 | Thunder_Child | lol, i didnt |
| 06:07.35 | Mike-N-Go | I said that for those who did not... |
| 06:08.35 | Mike-N-Go | So, how does this work then, MP? |
| 06:09.13 | Mike-N-Go | If what is your is truly not yours, then how does this licensing work legally? |
| 06:09.20 | MentalPower | well, for starters when you join a university these days you sign a release for that states WDFH basicaly |
| 06:09.45 | MentalPower | so anything you create while using the universities resources is the universities property |
| 06:09.53 | Mike-N-Go | s/your/yours/ |
| 06:10.33 | Thunder_Child | thought to get around that ppl simply dont say anything till after they graduate |
| 06:10.38 | Thunder_Child | though* |
| 06:10.53 | Mike-N-Go | Yay, IP talk is so fun, whose property is it really? |
| 06:11.27 | Neuro_Medivh | Mike, if you create a new program, but used the Universities mainframe to compile that code, they can lay claim to it |
| 06:12.41 | Neuro_Medivh | because almost all Universities have clauses that state if certain resources are used to create IP, that IP belongs to the university |
| 06:12.45 | Thunder_Child | and that works with anything, chemical,medical,electrial,mechanical, etc. |
| 06:13.28 | Neuro_Medivh | It's mainly there for things like research grants, grad students, etc |
| 06:13.51 | Mike-N-Go | So, if you use the Universities electric, sunlight, or buildings also, it is theirs? |
| 06:14.13 | Neuro_Medivh | No, because no University claims those as resources used to create IP |
| 06:14.18 | MentalPower | no, it has to be more substancial than that |
| 06:14.27 | Neuro_Medivh | but things like computer time, research facilities, etc |
| 06:14.49 | Mike-N-Go | So, if MP just uses his PC, that he owns, he is fine? |
| 06:14.58 | Neuro_Medivh | Let's say you work for Professor Plum in the Chem department as a grad student |
| 06:15.03 | Neuro_Medivh | he should be yes |
| 06:15.05 | Mike-N-Go | But then, he is using the schools internet... |
| 06:15.08 | Thunder_Child | plum!! |
| 06:15.15 | Neuro_Medivh | yes, professor plum |
| 06:15.32 | Mike-N-Go | Yay, loopholes! They can be found everywhere. |
| 06:15.51 | Neuro_Medivh | While working for the Professor in his research, you discover some new type of adhesive |
| 06:16.10 | Corrodias | interesting... fortunately, my university doesn't do bullshit like that |
| 06:16.24 | MentalPower | Corrodias: you sure? |
| 06:16.28 | Corrodias | completely |
| 06:16.30 | Neuro_Medivh | invent something commercially viable using their resources and find out =) |
| 06:16.50 | MentalPower | which university? |
| 06:16.58 | Corrodias | i have made no agreements and i have reviewed lab policies and local statutes |
| 06:17.07 | Corrodias | University of Wisconsin - Eau Claire |
| 06:17.23 | MentalPower | its usually in the student handbook, or in the admissions papers |
| 06:17.26 | Corrodias | for "research" projects, i can't say, because i am not involved in anything so... deep |
| 06:18.06 | MentalPower | or any other document that they told you to read before accepting admission |
| 06:18.18 | Neuro_Medivh | you an undergrad? |
| 06:18.33 | Mike-N-Go | So, read the fine print? |
| 06:18.37 | Neuro_Medivh | always |
| 06:18.48 | Corrodias | in that case i'd have to say i just don't remember anything of the sort, and that seems like the kind of thing i'd remember. |
| 06:18.49 | Neuro_Medivh | it's fine print for a reason, and it's not for your benefit |
| 06:19.48 | MentalPower | the language used can be pretty obscure too, for the same reason |
| 06:21.17 | Mike-N-Go | Corrodias: A better slogan would be, "I do not have any reelection of that." |
| 06:21.33 | Corrodias | reelection? recollection, perhaps? |
| 06:21.46 | Mike-N-Go | Yay, more Loop Holes! |
| 06:21.59 | Mike-N-Go | Corrodias: Bah, you know spell check. |
| 06:22.12 | Mike-N-Go | Yes, Recollection. |
| 06:22.17 | Corrodias | well, reelection is fine, but somewhat inappropriate :) |
| 06:22.32 | Mike-N-Go | LOL |
| 06:22.56 | MentalPower | ignorance of a rule does not make you immune to it |
| 06:23.11 | MentalPower | especially if you were supposed to read such rules and didn't |
| 06:23.17 | Mike-N-Go | Boo for ignorance! |
| 06:23.37 | Mike-N-Go | Who of you are undergraduate? |
| 06:23.44 | Corrodias | i, for a few weeks yet |
| 06:23.48 | Mike-N-Go | Does that include High School? |
| 06:24.05 | Thunder_Child | me, for the seond time |
| 06:24.12 | Corrodias | how should i know? you're the one who asked the question |
| 06:25.24 | Corrodias | anyway, i'm still concerned about this addon update situation |
| 06:25.58 | Corrodias | the altcast i'm using is the only one that seems to work properly of those that i've tried, including the built-in function, and hasn't been updated since before time began |
| 06:27.06 | MentalPower | built-in altcast is pretty good |
| 06:27.23 | Corrodias | what a ridiculous thing for blizzard to put in a "hold alt to self-cast" feature that doesn't work on anything except the main action bar. so ridiculous, in fact, that i wonder if there's something wrong with what i'm going that it doesn't work right. |
| 06:27.35 | MentalPower | it works now |
| 06:27.37 | Corrodias | or, rather, that doesn't work with shift+number bars |
| 06:28.20 | Corrodias | alt+shift+5 just tries to cast 5, maybe on myself, but definitely not shift+5 |
| 06:28.31 | Mike-N-Go | Do you have the check box ticked? |
| 06:28.59 | Corrodias | lemme double check here |
| 06:29.15 | Corrodias | there is no check box |
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| 06:29.37 | MentalPower | ya there is |
| 06:29.41 | MentalPower | interface options |
| 06:29.50 | Corrodias | wait a second. that "auto self cast" refers to the self-casting key? |
| 06:29.53 | Mike-N-Go | For the option in the options place? |
| 06:29.58 | MentalPower | yep |
| 06:30.28 | Corrodias | the phrase "auto self cast" gives me a COMPLETELY different idea: automatically casting on yourself if you have a hostile target selected, just like some old addons did |
| 06:30.33 | Mike-N-Go | I think it is auto self cast if the targeted unit ~= friendly |
| 06:31.55 | Corrodias | well, i gave it a try, but no. alt+shift+2 tries to cast Wrath (assigned to "2"), while shift+2 casts rejuv on myself (assigned to shift+2, but it should give me a targetting cursor, not self-cast, if i don't have the key held down!) |
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| 06:41.15 | Mike-N-Go | Is this live, PRT, or TBC BETA? |
| 06:41.15 | Corrodias | PTR |
| 06:41.15 | Mike-N-Go | Thunder_Child: How did you cause this? |
| 06:41.56 | Corrodias | oddly, i can't click item links in chat, either |
| 06:41.56 | Corrodias | might be from this chat scroller addon i tried |
| 06:42.19 | Thunder_Child | i was bored |
| 06:42.48 | Corrodias | okay, so maybe to cast things on myself from now on i'll just have to click on my player frame every time |
| 06:42.58 | Thunder_Child | F1 |
| 06:43.12 | Thunder_Child | to target yourself |
| 06:43.26 | Corrodias | i rebound that ages ago |
| 06:43.44 | Corrodias | and it changes your target |
| 06:43.59 | Corrodias | i can click on myself as easily as change my target to myself and back |
| 06:44.58 | Thunder_Child | thats why i love GB, i dont have to target anything |
| 06:45.11 | Thunder_Child | Group Buttons |
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| 06:50.58 | Corrodias | can't wait to find out what else won't work, but i don't have time tonight |
| 06:57.57 | Thunder_Child | lolz http://blue.cardplace.com/newcache/us/50405149.htm |
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| 06:58.45 | s|loup | morning |
| 06:58.51 | Mike-N-Go | Hi |
| 07:04.14 | Mike-N-Go | What do you all think of http://pastey.net/2799 ? :P |
| 07:08.38 | Corrodias | i hope the patch isn't applied this week :( |
| 07:09.12 | MentalPower | it wont |
| 07:09.28 | Mike-N-Go | I am looking for something like GetPartyRosterInfo(), is there such a thing? |
| 07:09.32 | MentalPower | hmm, is pastey dead? |
| 07:09.49 | Corrodias | why are you so sure it won't be applied? |
| 07:09.53 | MentalPower | I can't get to it |
| 07:10.03 | Corrodias | neither can i |
| 07:10.15 | MentalPower | Corrodias: cause there are some fixes that haven't been pushed to the PTR |
| 07:10.15 | Mike-N-Go | It is laging |
| 07:10.23 | Mike-N-Go | Norg needs to reboot it. |
| 07:10.27 | Thunder_Child | OMG, you bastards, you killed pastey! |
| 07:11.06 | Corrodias | well, good, maybe i'll get a little bit of free time this week to work on updating addons |
| 07:11.16 | Mike-N-Go | Try http://rafb.net/paste/ |
| 07:11.18 | Mike-N-Go | :) |
| 07:11.36 | Mike-N-Go | Use the #lua one. |
| 07:14.45 | Mike-N-Go | Well, http://pastey.net/ loads somewhat for me |
| 07:14.59 | Mike-N-Go | It is missing the box and links tho. |
| 07:15.33 | MentalPower | norgs is doing some backend processing |
| 07:16.29 | norgs | doing too much at once on the server |
| 07:16.33 | norgs | it doesn't like it |
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| 07:17.38 | Thunder_Child | teach your server to play nice |
| 07:26.50 | MentalPower | gnight guys |
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| 07:30.19 | norgs | ok, server's been taught to play nice again |
| 07:30.32 | norgs | sorry about that guys... i should know better :( |
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| 07:31.19 | Thunder_Child | ~cheer norgs |
| 07:31.27 | purl | Three cheers for norgs! Hip hip Hurray! Hip hip Hurray! Hip hip Hurray! |
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| 07:32.30 | Mike-N-Go | ~lart http://pastey.net/ |
| 07:34.55 | Corrodias | what distro of linux should i screw around with? mandrake used to be the easy one |
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| 07:37.01 | norgs | depends what you want to do |
| 07:37.19 | Corrodias | not very much. |
| 07:37.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Ubuntu |
| 07:37.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Renown for "easy" and "hassle free" |
| 07:38.15 | Thunder_Child | FC3 FTW |
| 07:38.23 | ScytheBlade1 | ...3? |
| 07:38.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Get with the times ;) |
| 07:38.32 | Thunder_Child | 4 now? |
| 07:38.35 | ScytheBlade1 | 6 |
| 07:38.45 | Thunder_Child | hmm...out of the loop |
| 07:38.57 | ScytheBlade1 | http://fedora.redhat.com/ |
| 07:39.01 | ScytheBlade1 | "Download Fedora Core 6 "Zod" now." |
| 07:39.24 | norgs | Ubuntu for desktop, CentOS for server |
| 07:39.45 | Corrodias | mandrake, now mandriva, really seems to have gone for a more professional, corporate appearance these days, not so friendly for the casual tinkerer |
| 07:40.05 | Corrodias | norgs: please differentiate between a desktop and a server |
| 07:40.57 | ckknight | mandriva sounds like the name of a transvestite stripper. |
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| 07:45.26 | norgs | differentiate? |
| 07:46.02 | norgs | uhm, desktop = has X-Windows, and all the pretty desktop apps installed (including CUPS) |
| 07:46.30 | norgs | server = has none of that crap, likely postfix, apache, php, mysql etc |
| 07:46.35 | Thunder_Child | i crashed x-windows 6 times in one month |
| 07:46.48 | norgs | really? |
| 07:46.48 | ScytheBlade1 | That's rather impressive |
| 07:46.51 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:46.55 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm going on 55 days here ;P |
| 07:47.15 | norgs | [ken@denominator ~]$ uptime |
| 07:47.17 | norgs | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:47.31 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't have power that reliable :( |
| 07:47.32 | Thunder_Child | yea, well it was linux class, but m teacher was still amazed |
| 07:47.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Or enough care to buy a UPS |
| 07:49.01 | norgs | my xwindows has been running for all of those 131 days |
| 07:50.06 | norgs | it is a work machine though, so only konsole, gvim, thunderbird, firefox and gaim running |
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| 08:27.45 | ckknight | is wowwiki down? |
| 08:28.43 | zenzelezz | I can't seem to reach it |
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| 08:42.50 | Dhraga | Lo all, got a question... How many are using nDKP or oDKP, and would you suggest any other DKP addon instead ? |
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| 08:58.17 | Corrodias | i believe one of our guilds' leaders is working on a distributed tracking DKP addon based on zero-sum, but neither do i really know how it works nor is it finished, yet. |
| 09:10.55 | AnduinLothar | Ha! I finally found something that actually uses all of my processors |
| 09:11.22 | AnduinLothar | SETI@Home lol. Starts up 4 threads and they all use 90%+ of a processor |
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| 09:15.48 | Corrodias | what do you do if you want all the "desktop" stuff and all the "server" stuff? what if you don't use two computers? |
| 09:16.02 | Thunder_Child | SETI at home is part of a larger group, it's got some good stuff |
| 09:16.42 | Corrodias | ah, well, i know how you deal with that anyway. as for SETI, good job finding something to use your stuff for :) |
| 09:16.45 | Thunder_Child | anything in particulr corr? |
| 09:17.42 | Corrodias | no. but just as an example, my computer at home both plays games and hosts an FTP server |
| 09:18.26 | Corrodias | this seems to be an enigma to those who separate things into the two worlds of desktops and servers |
| 09:18.52 | Thunder_Child | i dunno, i never had problems doing both on one OS |
| 09:19.05 | ckknight_ | anybody else think that SETI@Home is completely pointless? |
| 09:19.47 | AnduinLothar | I have a 4 core machine. I play games, run a web server, code, digital design, 2D graphic editing, surf the web, chat, irc, watch movies, and listen to music |
| 09:19.48 | Thunder_Child | hardly pointless, it takes up idle slack |
| 09:20.04 | ckknight | idle slack for what? |
| 09:20.11 | Thunder_Child | for your computer |
| 09:20.27 | Thunder_Child | your puter prolly isnt doing anything else atm |
| 09:20.57 | Thunder_Child | so why not let it SETO or any of the other 15 projects |
| 09:20.58 | AnduinLothar | atm, i'm listening to music and writign a paper, i have 4 cores with 90% power unused |
| 09:20.59 | Thunder_Child | SETI* |
| 09:21.06 | ckknight | but finding aliens seems rather fruitless... |
| 09:21.16 | AnduinLothar | lol, so... |
| 09:21.25 | Corrodias | not if those aliens want to play WoW |
| 09:21.34 | AnduinLothar | half the time donating to charity is fruitless too |
| 09:21.46 | AnduinLothar | that doesn't mean you shouldn't do it |
| 09:21.48 | ckknight | that's why I don't donate money, I donate my time and energy. |
| 09:22.10 | ckknight | and if you are donating to a charity that is fruitless, you shouldn't do it. |
| 09:22.12 | Corrodias | they're all going to die in the end. welcome to nihilism! |
| 09:22.16 | Thunder_Child | there are MANY things you can do with the same program http://boinc.berkeley.edu/projects.php |
| 09:22.21 | AnduinLothar | exactly |
| 09:22.24 | Thunder_Child | SETI isnt the only one |
| 09:22.35 | AnduinLothar | there's one for human genome mapping and one for cancer cure, no? |
| 09:22.43 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 09:22.51 | AnduinLothar | SETI was just the first |
| 09:23.07 | AnduinLothar | it inspired the orig program which grew inot BOINC |
| 09:23.37 | Thunder_Child | i set them up on all of the computers at school |
| 09:23.50 | Corrodias | rosetta@home certainly seems worthwhile |
| 09:24.24 | ckknight | agreed, Corrodias |
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| 09:24.33 | ckknight | I'm not saying that the @Home things are bad at all |
| 09:24.38 | ckknight | just the SETI@Home one |
| 09:25.01 | AnduinLothar | if you don't think there are aliens then yes, it would seem pointless. |
| 09:25.15 | AnduinLothar | or if you don't agree with their methods |
| 09:25.24 | Corrodias | it's a gamble, in a sense, spending our resources on something that may or may not pay off |
| 09:25.25 | AnduinLothar | I personally onyl signed up cause i was bored |
| 09:25.37 | AnduinLothar | and i did it 4 yrs ago |
| 09:26.01 | AnduinLothar | and it has pretty pictures that are pairly distracting |
| 09:26.05 | Thunder_Child | ck, it isnt a BAD thing |
| 09:26.05 | AnduinLothar | fairly* |
| 09:26.07 | Corrodias | heheh |
| 09:26.15 | ckknight | I don't mean bad |
| 09:26.16 | Corrodias | i should sign up for the biology ones... |
| 09:26.17 | ckknight | I mean pointless. |
| 09:26.27 | Thunder_Child | maybe, but you dont know that for sure |
| 09:26.28 | Kirkburn | Pointless is in the eye of the beholder |
| 09:26.46 | Thunder_Child | no, a death ray is in the eye of a beholder |
| 09:26.46 | AnduinLothar | meh, It makes me feel more useful than surfing utube |
| 09:27.00 | Corrodias | and a paralyzing ray |
| 09:27.07 | ckknight | I don't agree with SETI@Home's methods, for one, by searching for radio waves, it may not be the best solution. Also, there are no intelligent aliens that could come in contact with us (according to my beliefs) |
| 09:27.09 | Thunder_Child | and an AMF ray |
| 09:27.18 | Thunder_Child | Anti-Magic Field |
| 09:27.34 | Kirkburn | Yes, well, beliefs shouldn't really enter the realm of science =) |
| 09:27.53 | ckknight | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:28.04 | ckknight | Civilization has been around for about 6000 years now |
| 09:28.10 | ckknight | flight has been around for the past 100 |
| 09:28.14 | ckknight | advanced flight in the past 50 |
| 09:28.26 | Kirkburn | I certainly don't think we've been 'visited', don't get me wrong |
| 09:28.28 | zenzelezz | I think there is intelligent life in the universe, it just knows better than to meddle with such a foolish race as the humans |
| 09:28.58 | Kirkburn | 'Aliens' do seem to have a predisposition for the US, don't they :P |
| 09:29.08 | ckknight | if aliens did exist, in all the time of the cosmos, then they statistically should have either visited us already or we will visit them first |
| 09:29.25 | Kirkburn | indeed |
| 09:29.39 | Corrodias | we're the sexiest |
| 09:29.39 | ckknight | it seems unlikely to me that aliens will visit us just as we are 6000 years intelligent. |
| 09:29.40 | Thunder_Child | yes well even if they are not trying to "Contact us" there may be someting just floating around that we can spot |
| 09:29.50 | Kirkburn | Btw, I'm guessing no news on patch today? |
| 09:29.56 | AnduinLothar | no patch |
| 09:29.59 | ckknight | Kirkburn, give it 2 weeks. |
| 09:30.03 | Thunder_Child | 12th |
| 09:30.06 | Kirkburn | Ta |
| 09:30.06 | zenzelezz | I'd rather say we're 6000 years unintelligent |
| 09:30.14 | ckknight | zenzelezz, ... |
| 09:30.19 | ckknight | we're 6000 years civilized. |
| 09:30.23 | zenzelezz | when we can stop finding ways to exterminate each other and do something useful, we might get contact |
| 09:30.36 | AnduinLothar | why is contact important? |
| 09:30.36 | Kirkburn | What annoys me is when people describe tribes in parts of the world as "primitive" |
| 09:30.50 | Kirkburn | Those tribes have had a long as us to develop |
| 09:30.56 | ckknight | I hate people who think the world is getting worse. |
| 09:31.05 | zenzelezz | AL: humans somehow developed a belief that there's a greater meaning to life... some fill that meaning with alien contact |
| 09:31.06 | Corrodias | i hate corned beef |
| 09:31.06 | ckknight | I seriously do. |
| 09:31.14 | krka | the world _is_ getting worse |
| 09:31.20 | AnduinLothar | i love corned beef |
| 09:31.26 | krka | too many people to support |
| 09:31.28 | Corrodias | i rather -like- the internet. i think we're better off with it. |
| 09:31.41 | zenzelezz | there's too much going on to sum it all up as "better" or "worse"... there are good things and bad things going on all the time |
| 09:31.45 | ckknight | but we have so many cool toys nowadays that we didn't before |
| 09:32.09 | ckknight | and I ate a pomegrante the other day twice as big as what was in my mother's time |
| 09:32.15 | krka | good thing: cool toys, yay! bad thing: everyone will die from starvation |
| 09:32.16 | Kirkburn | Why are people so obsessed with the 'moral decline' of society :( |
| 09:32.40 | Kirkburn | krka, but many of those cool toys lead onto the ability to feed others better |
| 09:32.54 | Kirkburn | (or are a direct result of research into such areas) |
| 09:33.01 | ckknight | right, Kirkburn |
| 09:33.05 | zenzelezz | the problem is that while they *can* do that, the people in power are slow to actually *do* it |
| 09:33.19 | Corrodias | all i know is that god spoke to me, and he told me that the world is good and that i'm good |
| 09:33.24 | ckknight | power is given to those who can wield it |
| 09:33.28 | Corrodias | that's all i need to know. damn your ponderings! |
| 09:34.06 | krka | but currently, the total amount of land each people needs to live is greater than the total area of the planet |
| 09:34.09 | zenzelezz | I disagree ck, but won't bother arguing over it =) |
| 09:34.31 | Corrodias | now WHERE WERE WE: determining the most worthwhile of @home projects |
| 09:35.01 | Corrodias | i like ... all of them! yay! except those math ones |
| 09:35.12 | Kirkburn | One other thing that I find odd is that everything bad that happens is blamed on the current government of that area - whether or not other people were in power when it was caused. And whether or not the gov. was even involved (I mean, it's not as if when governments change every single sivil servant loses their job to someone else) |
| 09:35.25 | Kirkburn | *civil |
| 09:35.42 | zenzelezz | that's just because people need to blame someone |
| 09:35.46 | Kirkburn | Isn't politics fun :P |
| 09:36.12 | krka | i only do the global warming@home project |
| 09:36.36 | Kirkburn | krka, did you know, until recently the entire population of the world could have fitted onto the Isle of Wight .... /me waits for people to Google it :) |
| 09:36.44 | krka | i gladly donate my cpu cycles to it |
| 09:36.52 | VoidRaider | Hmm anyone know whats the costs between getglobal and getfenv, whats more efficient and when ? |
| 09:37.03 | Kirkburn | I should get the protein folding one at some point |
| 09:37.31 | zenzelezz | for someone not into the jargon, what does folding proteins actually accomplish? |
| 09:37.34 | krka | http://www.ampneycrucis.f9.co.uk/PARK/Population.htm |
| 09:38.05 | Kirkburn | (lol, why do people bother being intelligent: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=50405234&sid=1) |
| 09:38.16 | krka | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protein_folding |
| 09:38.48 | Kirkburn | zenzelezz, proteins fold in incredibly complex ways, and cannot be found by observation |
| 09:39.35 | krka | proteins would suck at poker |
| 09:39.38 | Kirkburn | krka, good link, both of those :P |
| 09:39.58 | Kirkburn | So apparently you'd need the Isle of Man too |
| 09:41.07 | Kirkburn | Knowing how a protein folds is incredibly useful in medical research |
| 09:42.45 | zenzelezz | aha |
| 09:43.38 | Corrodias | " Sony made EQ no? That being said, I dbout blizzard (viddi or wut ever they are) would of sold it back, especially considering furor would probally get pissed. Meh just speculation lolol" |
| 09:43.53 | Corrodias | strait out da getto, boyee |
| 09:44.33 | zenzelezz | someone should point out that Sony didn't make EQ |
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| 09:49.25 | VoidRaider | MS wanted to buy Vivendi because they had some economy issues and finally with the launch of WoW they started to earn and cover their expenses and finally they declined MS deal, so there is no Sony gonna buy WoW anytime soon :P |
| 09:49.39 | VoidRaider | no way* |
| 09:52.48 | Kirkburn | Heh |
| 09:53.00 | VoidRaider | :) |
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| 09:53.09 | Kirkburn | Not sure I would have minding MS buying them, but I know it would have put some off |
| 09:53.29 | Kirkburn | Quick q: has Sylvanas' model changed in TBC? |
| 09:53.39 | VoidRaider | Actually there was a petition against MS buying Vivendi |
| 09:53.41 | AnduinLothar | They bought Bungie and the Mac-only company stopped making mac games |
| 09:53.43 | VoidRaider | that was funny :P |
| 09:54.00 | AnduinLothar | Halo was sposed to be mac-only |
| 09:54.06 | AnduinLothar | just imagine that |
| 09:54.17 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 09:54.27 | Kirkburn | Really? Back when it was an RTS I know it was still coming for the PC |
| 09:54.28 | VoidRaider | What do you think about Warhammer ? |
| 09:54.30 | Thunder_Child | odd, the pvp ranks havent reset yet |
| 09:54.58 | AnduinLothar | it was orig mac only, then they said they'd port it to PC later |
| 09:55.03 | AnduinLothar | then they got bought |
| 09:55.14 | Kirkburn | Halo has a mac version though |
| 09:55.16 | VoidRaider | Their graphic engine seems great :) |
| 09:55.28 | AnduinLothar | then it went x-box first, then pc, and mac like 2 years later |
| 09:55.42 | AnduinLothar | and the mac port is crap |
| 09:55.49 | Arrowmaster | the pc port is crap too |
| 09:55.59 | Arrowmaster | the fov makes it unplayable to me |
| 09:56.02 | AnduinLothar | exactly, the mac port is a port of the pc port |
| 09:56.22 | AnduinLothar | it's liek running an snes emulator on virtual pc |
| 09:56.46 | AnduinLothar | or even better, a playstation emu |
| 09:56.47 | Kirkburn | Ooh, blimey, you're right |
| 09:56.53 | Corrodias | what's the fov, Arrowmaster? |
| 09:56.56 | Corrodias | i mean, what value |
| 09:57.02 | Kirkburn | "Significantly, Halo's public unveiling occurred at the Macworld Expo 1999 keynote address by Apple's then-interim-CEO Steve Jobs" |
| 09:57.22 | Arrowmaster | i have no clue but whatever it is combined with the oversized gun models make the viewable area too fucking small |
| 09:57.41 | Corrodias | i'd hypothesize that it's 75, then, or so |
| 09:57.57 | Arrowmaster | perty sure it is |
| 09:58.09 | Kirkburn | It's all a bit odd though, because it was a front page story on PCG when it was an RTS - that must have been after the purchase, but before they (MS?) changed what Halo was to become |
| 09:58.14 | Corrodias | that's what Oblivion, another console-bound first person game had it set to |
| 09:58.14 | Arrowmaster | it 'might' be 90 but it just doesnt seem like it could be |
| 09:58.20 | Corrodias | i missed a comma |
| 09:59.03 | Arrowmaster | yeah but oblivion is a rpg not an fps |
| 09:59.17 | Thunder_Child | it's an fps/rpg |
| 09:59.23 | AnduinLothar | http://www.bungie.net/Inside/CustomPage.aspx?section=History&subsection=Main&page=1 |
| 09:59.35 | AnduinLothar | Bungie made history with Marathon |
| 09:59.47 | AnduinLothar | then again with Myth |
| 09:59.51 | Corrodias | it defaults to a first-person perspective. my point is perserved. |
| 10:00.09 | AnduinLothar | and Oni was fairly good, one of the first to use combat style moves in an fps |
| 10:00.16 | Arrowmaster | you ever watch professional ut2k4 1v1 matches? |
| 10:00.22 | Corrodias | can't say i have |
| 10:01.29 | Arrowmaster | well if you ever see the kinda shit they do in those it makes the entire first person view of halo pc seem fucked up and unplayable |
| 10:01.56 | Kirkburn | Anyone here got a flying mount yet? |
| 10:02.30 | Kirkburn | Blast from the past: http://azeroth.metblogs.com/archives/images/2006/11/wow.jpg |
| 10:02.55 | AnduinLothar | ah, the good old days |
| 10:02.57 | AnduinLothar | wait... |
| 10:02.58 | AnduinLothar | no.. |
| 10:03.02 | AnduinLothar | eww |
| 10:03.08 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 10:03.12 | Arrowmaster | heh i recently saw another image of that state of wow |
| 10:03.13 | Kirkburn | That UI would have been godawful |
| 10:04.28 | Kirkburn | Ooooh |
| 10:04.41 | Kirkburn | Garry's Mod 10 coming tomorrow, apparently |
| 10:05.11 | Arrowmaster | nice |
| 10:05.24 | Arrowmaster | so much fun crashing physics engines |
| 10:10.36 | Thunder_Child | lol, 900,518 honor..... @ standing 2 |
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| 10:51.23 | grimman|afkish | You people talking about Halo an hour ago... the Mac version isn't a port of the PC version. Gearbox who did the PC port worked independently of the Mac guys. I still fail to see how TWO companies can fuck a port up that badly though. |
| 10:56.13 | AnduinLothar | esp when the prig game runs on a machine with half the speed |
| 10:56.18 | AnduinLothar | orig* |
| 10:56.26 | grimman|afkish | Indeed. |
| 10:56.32 | grimman|afkish | Nevertheless, it's a lovable game. |
| 10:56.47 | grimman|afkish | I own two copies of the PC version. :P |
| 10:57.04 | krka | porting is always painful |
| 10:57.37 | grimman|afkish | krka: Painful or not, what I remember reading was "super high resolution, blazing speed" etc etc. |
| 10:57.58 | grimman|afkish | What I got wasn't that. |
| 11:00.29 | krka | not doubting you |
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| 11:07.26 | Corrodias | oh, how painful. some of my guildmates apparently weren't aware that decursive and rank choosers won't work in 2.0. i get to inform them of their oversight. |
| 11:09.21 | grimman|afkish | Isn't it funny how they're too lazy to even look at the upcoming patch changes? :D |
| 11:10.16 | Corrodias | so am i, sometimes, especially when it's early on and things tend to change. however, this change was big enough that i expected they'd have heard of it by now! |
| 11:10.38 | grimman|afkish | Tsss. |
| 11:11.02 | Corrodias | what bugs me is that the change to lua 5.1 is coming at the same time as the new function restrictions |
| 11:13.11 | |FF|Im2good4u | omg wiki is down haw can i finish by addon whitout wiki :( |
| 11:14.55 | grimman|afkish | Never mind that... do something about your atrocious spelling. >_< |
| 11:15.38 | Kirkburn | "afkish", totally real word there ;) |
| 11:16.36 | grimman|afkish | Absolutelyish. |
| 11:17.36 | grimman|afkish | Actually, for some reason my IRC client has taken the habit of using it as my secondary nick, and I noticed I had gotten disconnected while I was sleeping, making the client revert to this nick when it reconnected. |
| 11:17.47 | grimman|afkish | So I'm innocent... this time. |
| 11:20.10 | Kirkburn | I note that http://www.knitemare.org/cats/ has more cat pictures than ever before :D |
| 11:21.40 | grimman|afkish | But why? |
| 11:22.50 | Corrodias | nice |
| 11:24.48 | grimman|afkish | Hmmmmm |
| 11:24.55 | AnduinLothar | lol. UT2K4 at 1028 res max settings flyby benches at 213 avg fps. (with BOINC, Word, iTunes and Camino running in the background) |
| 11:24.55 | grimman|afkish | I think there's some sleeping to be done. |
| 11:25.13 | grimman|afkish | AnduinLothar: Tried benching Q3 lately? ;) |
| 11:25.23 | AnduinLothar | I don't have it or I would |
| 11:25.37 | grimman|afkish | Funny thing, I can benchmark with Q3, but I can't actually load any levels to play on my own. Game just shuts down if I try. |
| 11:26.41 | grimman|afkish | I get a mere 450 FPS with everything maxed in Q3. ;) |
| 11:27.14 | AnduinLothar | lol, there we go. botmatch was only 71fps avg |
| 11:27.22 | AnduinLothar | spose it would help if it quit some apps |
| 11:27.29 | grimman|afkish | ;) |
| 11:27.42 | grimman|afkish | 71 FPS isn't bad though. It's certainly playable. |
| 11:27.56 | AnduinLothar | seeing as BOINC says it's taking 90% of all 4 processors.. |
| 11:29.47 | AnduinLothar | ok so without BOINC runnig it says 95fps avg |
| 11:30.06 | AnduinLothar | could prolly get at least 100 if i quit word and iTunes |
| 11:30.26 | AnduinLothar | depends on how it distributes proc load i spose |
| 11:30.37 | grimman|afkish | After quitting iTunes I wouldn't be surprised if you got 150 FPS. |
| 11:32.26 | AnduinLothar | lol. everything but irc quit... avg: 101fps |
| 11:32.54 | Dhraga | AnudinLothar, 101 in Q3 or UT2k4 ? |
| 11:32.54 | Thunder_Child | AnduinLothar, blast your system with 3DMark06 see what you get |
| 11:32.58 | AnduinLothar | interesting tho, my max fps was when i had BOINC running |
| 11:33.07 | grimman|afkish | Dhraga: UT, since he didn't have Q3... |
| 11:33.18 | Dhraga | ah, missed that =) |
| 11:33.50 | AnduinLothar | I'm on the mac side. I could prolly borrow Q3 from a roommate and try it, but i don't wanna reboot to windows atm |
| 11:34.15 | Thunder_Child | poke, http://www.futuremark.com/download/3dmark06/ |
| 11:35.12 | AnduinLothar | and running it on windows would just be silly, since it wont even use the other 3 processors for a single application |
| 11:35.29 | grimman|afkish | Anyway... I'll be afk for a few hours, deciding whether or not to wake up. |
| 11:35.32 | grimman|afkish | Nn. ;) |
| 11:36.10 | AnduinLothar | I need to install the fear expansion.... that may inspire me to reboot |
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| 11:37.15 | Malivil-Sleep | i get 150fps in WoW, lol |
| 11:37.41 | Corrodias | and i... don't, which is pretty disppointing considering this computer isn't exactly old |
| 11:37.47 | Corrodias | 90fps at best |
| 11:38.27 | Corrodias | 35 or lower mid-afternoon orgrimmar |
| 11:38.58 | AnduinLothar | i hit 200+ if i'm in the middle of nowhere, but the real benching is in BWL razergore and suppression room. Mid way benching is standing in IF AH lookign at the mailbox durring primetime |
| 11:41.37 | Malivil-Sleep | mmm |
| 11:41.49 | Malivil-Sleep | I get around 400 fps max in CS:S if i didn't cap it |
| 11:41.59 | AnduinLothar | my windows wow seems to cap at 64 fps tho |
| 11:42.54 | AnduinLothar | and for some reason the windows side has 6x multisampling, but the mac side only has 4x |
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| 11:47.07 | Saeris | Is there any way to get or otherwise capture the most recently pressed key for an edit box? They don't seem to receive OnKeyDown/Up events. |
| 11:48.31 | Malivil-Sleep | AnduinLothar: Did you turn of Vertical Sync? |
| 11:48.40 | Malivil-Sleep | Beforei turned it off, my fps capped at 60 |
| 11:48.43 | AnduinLothar | no, it was on |
| 11:48.57 | AnduinLothar | hmm |
| 11:48.59 | Malivil-Sleep | not much of a visual difference, but your fps skyrockets |
| 11:49.14 | AnduinLothar | odd, cause on the mac side it goes higher and lower with it on |
| 11:49.24 | AnduinLothar | it's more volital |
| 11:49.46 | AnduinLothar | where as the pc side it seems to stay 50-64 |
| 11:49.57 | AnduinLothar | unless you're raiding |
| 11:49.59 | Malivil-Sleep | w/ v-sync on? |
| 11:50.02 | AnduinLothar | yeah |
| 11:50.25 | Malivil-Sleep | Yea, your fps without it will be like 75ish max, so when it fluctuates it will drop below the 64 cap |
| 11:50.27 | Corrodias | i wonder if playing in a window has a significant effect on my framerate |
| 11:50.30 | Malivil-Sleep | Thats the fluctuations you see |
| 11:50.50 | zenzelezz | Corrodias: if you're on Windows, I'm pretty sure it does |
| 11:50.52 | Corrodias | it's not much of one, i don't think, and i don't use any AA |
| 11:51.19 | AnduinLothar | i see a little different, but not much in windowed ont he mac |
| 11:51.31 | Saeris | Is the wiki down? |
| 11:51.32 | AnduinLothar | more difference on windows |
| 11:51.46 | Corrodias | i can't remember how much it changed. it was so long ago that i started using windowed. |
| 11:51.46 | zenzelezz | I don't know what it's like on a Mac, but on Windows I see a big difference in windowed vs. fullscreen mode |
| 11:51.55 | zenzelezz | not sure if it's affected by the fact that I have two monitors |
| 11:52.25 | Corrodias | it's time for me to hit the bed. see ya |
| 11:52.31 | Malivil-Sleep | later |
| 11:52.34 | Malivil-Sleep | o.O |
| 11:52.42 | Malivil-School | there we go |
| 11:57.40 | Malivil-School | No patch for weeks: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=50435278&sid=1 |
| 11:59.21 | AnduinLothar | few >= 3 imo |
| 11:59.55 | zenzelezz | magic crystal ball says it will be before February |
| 12:00.13 | Malivil-School | Itll be before january |
| 12:00.20 | Malivil-School | When TBC is supposed to come out |
| 12:00.26 | Malivil-School | oops, gotta go to school |
| 12:00.27 | Malivil-School | later |
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| 12:15.10 | Thunder_Child | omg, i;m watching stargate Alliance and the guy is talking about wow, and the fact that he has a 75 mage |
| 12:15.29 | |FF|Im2good4u | since wowwiki is down for id like to ask this stoopid question here ;( |
| 12:15.44 | |FF|Im2good4u | wut kind of frame do i need to use :SetTexture ? |
| 12:15.50 | Thunder_Child | enginerring, and jewling |
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| 12:57.34 | Arrowmaster | Thunder_Child, that episode is from atleast september |
| 12:58.56 | Thunder_Child | yea, i forgot i was watching an old episode |
| 12:59.03 | Thunder_Child | but new for me |
| 12:59.28 | Arrowmaster | not that old though since it was the last episode of the first half of the season |
| 12:59.43 | Arrowmaster | the next episode just aired like last week |
| 13:01.24 | Thunder_Child | yeai am watching it now |
| 13:04.26 | Ktron | anyone else have problems drinking potions as a blood elf (mage)? |
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| 13:52.05 | JoshBorke | brb |
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| 14:55.18 | Angela | there's another wow wiki at http://worldofwarcraft.wikia.com/ whilst the other one's down. it's quite new and small at the moment though |
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| 15:12.00 | JoshBorke | morning cladhaire |
| 15:12.05 | cladhaire | morning. |
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| 15:13.29 | cladhaire | can someoen go to the stlore and buy some milk for me? |
| 15:13.40 | Grine | sure, where do you live clad? |
| 15:13.42 | JoshBorke | sure, but i don't think it'll survive transit |
| 15:13.57 | cladhaire | 13211, Skim please. |
| 15:16.00 | DrDre | wow servers are already up |
| 15:18.54 | Amro | hey |
| 15:19.03 | Amro | damn, I was sure patch was today |
| 15:20.13 | JoshBorke | you were WRONG! :-P |
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| 15:22.09 | cladhaire | lol |
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| 15:24.08 | Grine | guessing two more weeks for patch :P |
| 15:24.51 | JoshBorke | i think it might come out next week |
| 15:25.05 | sylvanaar | i thought it was today too |
| 15:27.01 | cladhaire | no not today |
| 15:27.08 | cladhaire | i'd put my money on mid december |
| 15:27.17 | cladhaire | but i dont have much money to part with |
| 15:27.24 | cladhaire | anyone want to convert WatchDog to secure templates for me? |
| 15:27.37 | DrDre | i hope i win a key in worldofwar's contest :o |
| 15:27.59 | DrDre | idling in irc = best contest idea ever |
| 15:40.23 | Grine | thye shold have it based on progressques instead |
| 15:40.27 | Grine | best game evor! |
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| 16:05.43 | malreth | hooray for reviving dead threads! |
| 16:05.48 | malreth | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=32275880&postId=501510319&sid=1#227 |
| 16:09.49 | Mikma | malreth: neat post :D |
| 16:09.54 | JoshBorke | lol malreth |
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| 16:10.14 | malreth | guess i'd better start training skills in eve... |
| 16:10.28 | malreth | i guess in a month I can actually start playing |
| 16:10.49 | malreth | just in time to cancel wow if blizzard is impudent enough to release TBC as it is |
| 16:11.14 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 16:11.33 | Mikma | i call and raise with :-O |
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| 16:13.11 | TS|Skrom | I'll see your :O and raise you a ^.^ |
| 16:14.38 | malreth | shit, i fold |
| 16:15.18 | Mikma | all in! |
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| 16:19.36 | Teomyr | "The Idle RPG is a simple IRC-based role playing game where you play by idling in an irc channel. The longer you idle, the higher you progress." |
| 16:19.39 | Teomyr | :D |
| 16:21.25 | malreth | oh man... but I'm only a casual idler. no way i can compete with the hardcore idlers here |
| 16:21.41 | malreth | i mean, i'd have to set up my own server and learn how to use screen |
| 16:21.46 | malreth | and how to patch a linux system |
| 16:22.09 | malreth | that's too much for someone with a 8-5 job and real life commitments like laundry and cooking dinner |
| 16:22.33 | Teomyr | hehe |
| 16:22.36 | JoshBorke | drop laundry and you'll have plenty of time |
| 16:22.38 | malreth | this screams 'slap in the face' to all casuals |
| 16:23.02 | malreth | so you're saying I should just keep buying new clothes all the time to keep up? |
| 16:23.12 | malreth | who are you to dictate how I live? |
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| 16:25.17 | Corrodias | i am god |
| 16:25.41 | JoshBorke | malreth: just wear dirty clothes |
| 16:26.39 | TS|Skrom | Ironically that's the epitome of "idle" |
| 16:27.03 | Corrodias | i'm not too disturbed about that function lockout... i just hope all the addons i use that don't violate its principles are updated. as for the move to lua 5.1, that disturbs me a bit. |
| 16:27.40 | Corrodias | BY the way |
| 16:28.02 | Corrodias | what's up with those LUA guys? they make changes to the language in a 0.1 increment that makes it incompatible with previous versions? |
| 16:28.45 | Elkano | depends on how you compile the interpreter... |
| 16:29.27 | malreth | there's actually a bunch of compatibility code built in... slouken just decided to disable it all for wow |
| 16:29.55 | Corrodias | >:/ |
| 16:29.55 | JoshBorke | i think it was a good choice |
| 16:29.59 | malreth | since there's an interface version check, there's no reason to not make a cold-turkey transition |
| 16:30.02 | Corrodias | i think you're a doodiehead |
| 16:30.06 | JoshBorke | <3 |
| 16:30.22 | malreth | ah ha ha ha! |
| 16:30.38 | JoshBorke | with the other changes it forces mod authors to comply with the new UI stuff |
| 16:30.45 | Corrodias | malreth: the reason is so that i don't have to patch up fifty old addons that nobody updates any more. that is just a hypothetical number. i don't know how many i actually need to fix myself. |
| 16:31.07 | malreth | ah, well i'm just joshin' ya. |
| 16:31.08 | JoshBorke | i've always been against people randomly updating the TOC each patch |
| 16:31.32 | Corrodias | too bad, JoshBorke. if that's all it takes to make my addons function, why should i edit them further? |
| 16:31.44 | malreth | anyways, the lua stuff is pretty easy and really it's the api changes that will break most addons and cause you the most grief |
| 16:32.47 | Corrodias | the lua changes could be pretty easy, but i need to familiarize myself enough with the language to make them. AL's lua script that halfway updates the syntax of old scripts might help. |
| 16:33.41 | JoshBorke | like malreth said, the API changes are going to cause the most grief |
| 16:34.17 | Thardal | they should have made a public test realm for addon developers only, its a bit annoying to betatest all those changes with a 1400 queue |
| 16:34.35 | malreth | yep... modify the wrong variable and you'll end up tainting a chunk of code and before you know it, your target of target window won't show and your pet action bar disappears |
| 16:35.28 | Corrodias | i can't do anything about the API changes. i have to depend on the addons' authors to fix that. |
| 16:36.54 | JoshBorke | which is who should handle lua 5.1 conversion |
| 16:37.00 | wereHamster | in irssi, can I connect to two different servers? |
| 16:37.13 | wereHamster | or do I have to start irssi twice? |
| 16:37.33 | JoshBorke | no |
| 16:37.37 | JoshBorke | 2 of them |
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| 16:37.53 | JoshBorke | oh, wait, yes you can |
| 16:38.02 | JoshBorke | http://www.irssi.org/beginner/#c6 |
| 16:38.09 | Corrodias | you say they should handle the conversion. that's great. i'd LOVE for the original authors to handle updating their addons. however, i can safely assume that a number of my old addons will not by updated, because it's happened to me before. |
| 16:38.25 | Corrodias | hopefully i can find something to replace them if i can't get them updated |
| 16:38.43 | Thardal | wow, i just noticed lua 5.1 has a mod operator |
| 16:38.43 | malreth | necessity is the mother of invention |
| 16:38.49 | Thardal | we truly live in the future |
| 16:38.54 | JoshBorke | Thardal: lua 5.0 has it too |
| 16:38.57 | malreth | if there is a need, someone will make an addon |
| 16:39.11 | malreth | JoshBorke: nope. % was added in 5.1 |
| 16:39.11 | wereHamster | JoshBorke, I can start anotehr instance if irssi.. once I find out how to create a new 'screen' window ;) |
| 16:39.23 | Thardal | only the workaround with math.mod |
| 16:39.27 | JoshBorke | ah, operator, not function |
| 16:39.40 | JoshBorke | wereHamster: you can do it in the same irssi |
| 16:39.42 | JoshBorke | see the link |
| 16:39.53 | JoshBorke | wereHamster: to create another screen window, use ctrl a+c |
| 16:39.53 | malreth | you can also use the # operator on tables and strings |
| 16:39.55 | Corrodias | that's true malreth. and in fact, maybe i can commission some of you guys to update addons that are truly dead and nobody seems to care about but me? that is, if there are any. >_> i have moneys |
| 16:40.06 | JoshBorke | lol Corrodias |
| 16:40.08 | Corrodias | what's a #? |
| 16:40.16 | wereHamster | length |
| 16:40.18 | malreth | Corrodias: a true hero never works for money |
| 16:40.46 | Corrodias | that's true enough. heroes just have endless bags of gold, from what i have seen in the movies. :3 |
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| 16:42.00 | JoshBorke | Corrodias: what functionality do you need that is only present in old addons? |
| 16:48.12 | Corrodias | oh, i don't know, yet |
| 16:48.52 | Corrodias | i have only just started looking at them. my ancient version of altcast doesn't function any more, and it doesn't look like any of the others work in 2.0 either. |
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| 16:49.31 | Corrodias | the built-in self-casting feature leaves something to be desired in that i can't press alt+shift+2 to self-cast shift+2. it just tries to cast "2". |
| 16:50.21 | wereHamster | can I somehow tell screen to reread the config file while running? |
| 16:50.50 | Corrodias | i don't know this "screen" |
| 16:51.13 | wereHamster | man screen |
| 16:51.39 | Corrodias | you can keep your man-screen to yourself. i don't swing that way. |
| 16:52.31 | wereHamster | http://www.gnu.org/software/screen/ |
| 16:53.38 | Tain | I forget, wereHamster. I know I hate having to quit all the way out of screen and reload everything, but I think you might have to. |
| 16:54.32 | Corrodias | time for me to head to class. byee~ |
| 16:56.04 | wereHamster | I have this nice window list in the screen window: http://dbservice.com/ftpdir/tom/screenshot1.png |
| 16:56.14 | wereHamster | but I'd like to change the color etc.. |
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| 16:59.32 | Kaso | is there much performance difference between string.find(str,"^Something") and string.sub("test",1,9) == "Something" |
| 17:00.33 | phyber | wereHamster: how do you get that screen list in screen? |
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| 17:01.42 | phyber | wereHamster: also, you might be able to get away with :source ~/.screenrc |
| 17:01.43 | phyber | or something |
| 17:01.58 | MentalPower | I hate my physics class |
| 17:02.10 | MentalPower | thank God I only have 3 more classes |
| 17:02.12 | wereHamster | phyber, caption always "%{wb}%-w%{+r my} %t %{-}%+w" |
| 17:02.13 | malreth | Kaso: the former is a single function call and the latter is a function call and a compare op |
| 17:02.27 | wereHamster | http://www.diku.dk/hjemmesider/studerende/damgaard/files/screenrc.txt |
| 17:02.34 | wereHamster | ^^^ also a good example |
| 17:02.46 | malreth | the latter will be a tiny tiny tiny almost immeasurable amount slower than the former |
| 17:02.48 | phyber | ahh |
| 17:02.53 | wereHamster | though I couldn't find documentation to this option anywhere :( |
| 17:02.55 | Kaso | hm |
| 17:03.10 | malreth | which may be offset by the former having to do a regexp compare |
| 17:03.28 | malreth | which might make the former's function call slower than the latter's function call |
| 17:03.59 | malreth | and all of this might be masked completely by the interpreter making the C-land call |
| 17:04.29 | malreth | in other words... don't fret about that and instead use whichever makes your code more readable and understandable |
| 17:04.41 | Kaso | fair enough |
| 17:04.46 | Kaso | string.find it is |
| 17:04.59 | phyber | wereHamster: it's all in the man page, but split up around it. |
| 17:05.05 | phyber | search around for 'color' and you can find the codes. |
| 17:05.08 | malreth | that kind of thing is the sort of optimization that I would ignore except for very very critical tight inner loops |
| 17:05.13 | phyber | and some examples. |
| 17:05.18 | phyber | also, bbl. work finished :) |
| 17:05.41 | malreth | and i'd have to break out a profiler to optimize it properly |
| 17:06.33 | sylvanaar | god im trolling the the addon forum - how sad |
| 17:06.33 | malreth | you too! |
| 17:06.34 | malreth | it's fun |
| 17:06.34 | sylvanaar | i know |
| 17:07.00 | sylvanaar | its like tuesday is my day to feed on /emo |
| 17:07.14 | malreth | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=32275880&postId=501510785&sid=1#231 |
| 17:07.21 | malreth | looks like i caught one |
| 17:07.44 | sylvanaar | rofl |
| 17:07.51 | malreth | priss is chompin at the line |
| 17:08.18 | malreth | "of course it's impossible for me to heal... i'm a rogue!" |
| 17:08.32 | sylvanaar | im the priest in that thread lol |
| 17:08.39 | Thardal | bandages |
| 17:10.13 | sylvanaar | yeah for sure |
| 17:11.01 | sylvanaar | save your runeloth so that you can level out of it right away |
| 17:11.01 | malreth | heavy mageweave bandages heal for crap when you're in MC! |
| 17:11.58 | sylvanaar | after hellfire, i had to respec from shadow to be able to heal in underbog/slave pens - idk how its going to play out |
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| 17:13.10 | Kaso | can anyone think of any items with "Green" bonuses other than Equip and Use |
| 17:15.17 | Mery | "passive:" |
| 17:15.38 | Kaso | which items have that? |
| 17:16.04 | Mery | i dunno ... let me check |
| 17:16.50 | malreth | later all |
| 17:17.19 | Kaso | Theres "Chance on Hit" and "Chance on Spell Cast" i think but i cant for the life of me think of any items with them |
| 17:17.45 | Kaso | or is it Equip: Chance on |
| 17:18.04 | Mery | oh i think they changed passive: to equip: |
| 17:18.20 | Kaso | makes sense |
| 17:19.41 | Kaso | ok found a Chance on hit: |
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| 18:01.05 | Antiarc | Does anyone know if Unbridled Wrath can proc on specials? |
| 18:04.28 | Neuro_Medivh | doubt it... |
| 18:04.37 | Neuro_Medivh | Wait, special attacks? |
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| 18:08.46 | Antiarc | Yeah, yellow damage |
| 18:08.57 | Antiarc | I don't think it does, but I'm wondering if anyone knows differently |
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| 18:11.03 | ckknight | hey all |
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| 18:13.18 | Antiarc | Morning, ckknight |
| 18:16.26 | Neuro_Medivh | Antiarc, sorry, was in the rr. Yes, special attacks will trigger UW |
| 18:17.27 | Neuro_Medivh | Or, it did as of 5 months ago |
| 18:17.48 | Neuro_Medivh | it also triggered weapon procs, but I think they changed that |
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| 18:34.05 | Malivil0 | <.< |
| 18:34.06 | Malivil0 | >.> |
| 18:34.46 | Malivil0 | School is boring... |
| 18:35.07 | Malivil0 | I'm owning my html class, so im just joking around for a while |
| 18:35.14 | Drundia | quit it |
| 18:35.23 | Drundia | if its boring |
| 18:35.29 | Amro | One of my classes is about using Word. Basic usage. |
| 18:35.32 | cncfanatics | html class ? -.- |
| 18:35.49 | cncfanatics | I'm 17 and learned html on my own 3 years ago lol, no need to follow a class for it |
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| 18:36.28 | Amro | im guessing its mandatory for graduation |
| 18:37.07 | Drundia | not really |
| 18:37.18 | Amro | also, you make a good point. not much to learn about html |
| 18:37.56 | Amro | there are always boring/useless CS classes, especially in the first year |
| 18:40.17 | Malivil0 | Im a senior, i already know html |
| 18:40.23 | Malivil0 | I use this class as a study |
| 18:40.41 | Malivil0 | Its only for a few more weeks and the i wont have to deal with it anymore |
| 18:40.51 | Malivil0 | Plus, i learned about css and stuff like that, so its all good |
| 18:41.22 | ckknight | unpack({1, nil, 3, nil, 5}, 2, 4) => nil, 3, nil |
| 18:41.30 | ckknight | ^--- good tidbit. |
| 18:42.05 | Malivil0 | huh? |
| 18:42.12 | JoshBorke | ok back! |
| 18:42.16 | Malivil0 | wb |
| 18:45.07 | Malivil0 | lol, i just noticed something |
| 18:45.25 | Malivil0 | In this java irc client, the (H) for the horde guild turns into a smily face for some reason |
| 18:45.40 | Malivil0 | It's kinda... wierd |
| 18:46.08 | ckknight | lol, Malivil0 |
| 18:46.16 | Malivil0 | =P |
| 18:46.31 | Malivil0 | This class is so easy, i have 3 days to write a 1 page web page |
| 18:46.46 | Malivil0 | Im the farthest ahead in the class, and im getting a better than 100 average |
| 18:46.55 | Malivil0 | We've had 1 test and a bunch of quizes |
| 18:47.04 | Malivil0 | I got a 111 on the test, and 99-100s on all of the quizes |
| 18:47.47 | Malivil0 | Not much of an accomplishment really, almosteveryone else in this calss is wicked dumb |
| 18:47.53 | Malivil0 | *class |
| 18:48.26 | ckknight | good times. |
| 18:48.50 | ckknight | I worry for the state of man, but then realize that if there's just enough people like me out there, things should be okay |
| 18:48.51 | Malivil0 | yea, apparently i cant change my name to my actual name, but i can change it to anything else |
| 18:49.28 | Malivil0 | Yea... there is such a large ammount of dumb people in this world, its amazing that humans are still the dominant life form on this planet |
| 18:49.51 | Malivil0 | Good thing for us, the dumbest of the dumb keep to themselves or kill eachother off. |
| 18:51.12 | Malivil0 | Alright, time for me to head home and then to work |
| 18:51.17 | Malivil0 | ill be back on for real later on |
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| 18:58.57 | JoshBorke | cladhaire: ping |
| 19:01.45 | cladhaire | sup |
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| 19:03.29 | Mike-N-Go | LOL, I copied over the wrong fie :| |
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| 19:04.14 | VoidRaider | hello |
| 19:04.18 | JoshBorke | cladhaire: see PM |
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| 19:05.54 | JoshBorke | hello VoidRaider |
| 19:12.02 | Malivil-School | Im home |
| 19:12.03 | Malivil-School | lol |
| 19:12.14 | JoshBorke | wb Malivil |
| 19:12.17 | Malivil | ty |
| 19:12.30 | Malivil | brb |
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| 19:14.37 | Malivil | yay 1/2 hour between school and work... |
| 19:19.13 | zenzelezz | and it takes 20 minutes to get from school to work? |
| 19:20.09 | krka | hmm... did something change? i can't seem to cancel the subscription type |
| 19:22.29 | Malivil | No,the 1/2 include commute time |
| 19:22.34 | Malivil | *1/2 hour includes |
| 19:23.02 | Malivil | takes 10 minutes to get home from school and like 5 minutes to get to work |
| 19:23.51 | VoidRaider | Anyone knows whats the costs of using getglobal and getfenv ? how constly is it to use getglobal ? |
| 19:24.12 | JoshBorke | VoidRaider: you shouldn't use them liberally |
| 19:25.54 | JoshBorke | VoidRaider: what are you doing? |
| 19:26.49 | VoidRaider | nah I'm asking generally :) |
| 19:27.19 | JoshBorke | i wouldn't use setfenv or getglobal in an OnUpdate ;-) |
| 19:27.30 | VoidRaider | haha :P |
| 19:28.38 | VoidRaider | Do you know how effective would it be in percentage of 100 calls ? |
| 19:29.19 | cogwheel | getglobal(key) is probably about as costly as (function (key) return _G[key] end)(key) |
| 19:29.23 | krka | i have this problem: http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=71337268&postId=713108675&sid=1#0 |
| 19:29.26 | krka | any solution? |
| 19:29.38 | VoidRaider | ahh ok |
| 19:29.40 | cogwheel | VoidRaider: what do you mean by "effective"? |
| 19:29.56 | Drundia | getglobal(x) does a bit more, so it's more costly than _G[x] |
| 19:30.07 | Malivil | krka: The finacial payments problem? |
| 19:30.44 | Malivil | If you cancel your subscription you accoutn will be frozen at the end of your current paid subscription. You can unfreeze your account at any time by adding a game card or a new payment plan |
| 19:30.46 | VoidRaider | Hmm effective in terms of performance, like how bad would it be haha |
| 19:30.55 | Malivil | In fact, my account is frozen right now and i will unfreeze it later |
| 19:31.02 | Drundia | according to wowwiki getglobal is more like function getglobal (smth) return loadstring('return '..smth)(); end; |
| 19:32.05 | krka | so freezing is not the same thing as deleting your account? |
| 19:32.17 | Malivil | no |
| 19:32.27 | Malivil | freezing means you can't play on it |
| 19:32.52 | Drundia | not really. u can on ptr/beta if ur account was active at correct date |
| 19:32.59 | Malivil | Yea, i know |
| 19:33.03 | Malivil | but on the live servers |
| 19:33.52 | krka | hmm |
| 19:34.06 | krka | the cancel account link and stop subscribing is the same link now |
| 19:34.07 | krka | it wasn't before |
| 19:34.11 | krka | i am too scared to do it |
| 19:34.36 | JoshBorke | you can play your account until you run out of time on it |
| 19:34.52 | krka | but i wont ever run out of time, since i am currently subscribing |
| 19:34.57 | VoidRaider | Drundia are you sure that that's the implementation of getglobal ? |
| 19:34.59 | krka | and there is no unsubscribe, just cancel account |
| 19:35.04 | krka | i dont want to cancel the account |
| 19:35.06 | Malivil | you can't delete your account |
| 19:35.13 | Malivil | i stopped playing twice |
| 19:35.15 | Malivil | and its still there |
| 19:35.19 | Malivil | with everything still on it |
| 19:35.28 | Drundia | on wowwiki they say that getglobal handles things like table.key and table['key'] |
| 19:35.39 | Drundia | it's easy to test it |
| 19:35.47 | krka | on EU? |
| 19:35.51 | krka | hm |
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| 19:36.09 | Malivil | No, on US. but it should be the same |
| 19:36.12 | krka | i'm pretty sure they changed the way the eu account site works |
| 19:36.17 | krka | did they change the US too? |
| 19:36.22 | JoshBorke | krka: i'm checking |
| 19:36.42 | cogwheel | the site can work however it wants... they're not going to close your account 'till your current subscription period ends... |
| 19:36.42 | VoidRaider | yeah I know what it does and how it works but I don't know how it done internally, though I guess cog example is accurate |
| 19:36.44 | Malivil | There is a "Cancel Account" link that talks about canceling a subsciption |
| 19:36.57 | VoidRaider | it's* |
| 19:37.12 | cogwheel | and even when they do close your account, it'll only last until you add more time to it... |
| 19:37.17 | JoshBorke | krka: i don't have a cancel account. i have a "Cancel recurring subscription plan" |
| 19:38.06 | Malivil | JoshBorke: The cancel account is a link at the bottom of the page |
| 19:38.19 | JoshBorke | i have a Cancel Subscription link |
| 19:38.19 | krka | I am getting a "Why are you quitting World of Warcraft?" message when i try to unsubscribe |
| 19:38.22 | krka | very scary |
| 19:38.32 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 19:38.38 | Malivil | They just want to know why you are unsubsribing |
| 19:38.39 | krka | you're not getting one of those? |
| 19:38.42 | Drundia | VoidRaider, "return _G[key]" won't deal with tables. foo.bar['key'] is perfectly correct table index |
| 19:38.46 | krka | but they say _quitting_ |
| 19:39.01 | Malivil | Because ifyou cancel your subscription,m when its up you're done |
| 19:39.06 | Malivil | _until you add more time_ |
| 19:39.31 | JoshBorke | krka: yea, it's fine |
| 19:39.35 | JoshBorke | they ask me that too |
| 19:39.38 | Malivil | Trust us |
| 19:39.45 | Drundia | "return loadstring('returnarg)" |
| 19:39.48 | Drundia | grrr |
| 19:39.53 | JoshBorke | why are you cancelling your subscription? to change or to stop the recurring? |
| 19:40.08 | VoidRaider | ypu and I guess because of the fact that getglobal can get deeper and gets childs it's more expesive ? that's the reason getfenv is much more effective ? |
| 19:40.11 | VoidRaider | yup* |
| 19:40.33 | krka | JoshBorke: was that a quote or a question for me? |
| 19:40.35 | Drundia | "return loadstring('return '..arg)()" however is a way to deal with them. |
| 19:40.38 | krka | if the latter, stop the recurring |
| 19:40.52 | JoshBorke | krka: yea, it's fine, i'm asked the same thing |
| 19:40.52 | Drundia | i think getglobal is more expensive for this matter |
| 19:41.04 | VoidRaider | yeah, probably :) |
| 19:41.14 | Drundia | because it need to compile chunk and call that chunk as function |
| 19:41.22 | Malivil | 2... conversations... at once |
| 19:41.24 | Malivil | AHH |
| 19:41.24 | JoshBorke | oh geebus |
| 19:41.34 | JoshBorke | i'm gonna create a test.lua that does a getglobal call |
| 19:41.43 | Drundia | _G['key'] will still be slower than key |
| 19:42.29 | Drundia | no need to make test.lua. abuse /script. |
| 19:42.38 | VoidRaider | haha |
| 19:43.30 | JoshBorke | test.lua will let me compile it and see what it does :-P |
| 19:44.24 | Antiarc | http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/gamestats/index.html |
| 19:44.25 | Antiarc | Neat! |
| 19:44.33 | Drundia | it will compile into something like push arg, call getglobal |
| 19:45.02 | JoshBorke | odd |
| 19:45.12 | JoshBorke | getglobal is an actual call... |
| 19:45.22 | JoshBorke | _G corresponds to a getglobal call |
| 19:46.18 | JoshBorke | but it includes a GETTABLE call also when you do _G |
| 19:46.41 | Drundia | then _G just has a metatable |
| 19:47.09 | Drundia | metatable(_G).__index = getglobal |
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| 19:49.49 | JoshBorke | hm |
| 19:49.53 | JoshBorke | getglobal isn't defined in lua 5.0 |
| 19:50.15 | Drundia | it isn't |
| 19:50.25 | Drundia | not in 5.1.1 either afaik |
| 19:50.26 | Cide | that's a blizzard defined function I think |
| 19:50.30 | Cide | isn't it? |
| 19:50.41 | VoidRaider | I don't think so |
| 19:50.46 | JoshBorke | so it is probably just as cogwheel said |
| 19:50.53 | Cide | getfenv(0)[name] |
| 19:51.21 | Cide | local _G = getfenv(0); function getglobal(name) return _G[name] end -- woot! |
| 19:51.23 | Drundia | does getglobal deal with tables? than it has to do something more |
| 19:51.33 | Cide | no |
| 19:51.51 | Antiarc | Lua 2.4 was released on 14 May 1996. The main new features of Lua 2.4 are the external compiler luac, an extended debug interface with hooks, and the "getglobal" fallback. |
| 19:52.08 | VoidRaider | lua 2.4 lol |
| 19:52.22 | VoidRaider | :P |
| 19:52.24 | Antiarc | So I'd guess that it's part of the lua core :P |
| 19:52.32 | Drundia | and what is wow 1.x version of lua? |
| 19:52.38 | Antiarc | Wow is 5.0 |
| 19:52.40 | VoidRaider | haha |
| 19:52.43 | JoshBorke | we should just ask in #lua |
| 19:52.55 | Drundia | they could remove getglobal |
| 19:53.03 | Drundia | just like table.getn for example |
| 19:53.19 | Antiarc | getglobal is extraordinarily useful for getting frame references dynamically |
| 19:53.34 | Antiarc | Unless there's some new way to do it that I'm not aware of. |
| 19:53.36 | Cide | frame references? |
| 19:53.42 | JoshBorke | http://wowi.pastecode.com/8980 |
| 19:53.49 | Antiarc | References to a frame |
| 19:54.06 | Cide | I'm aware of what it means, but I don't know what context you're referring to |
| 19:54.19 | Drundia | where do u get lua decompiler? |
| 19:54.20 | JoshBorke | you can't get access to a frame just by the name |
| 19:54.23 | Cide | but yes, getglobal("YourName"..var) is common |
| 19:54.23 | Antiarc | Well, you create a frame in XML with 20 children, named $parentChild1..20 |
| 19:54.30 | VoidRaider | yuo can |
| 19:54.41 | Antiarc | getglobal("MyFrameChild" .. i) is rather handy ;) |
| 19:54.57 | Cide | Antiarc: or MyFrame[i] |
| 19:55.02 | Cide | granted, you'd need to set that up |
| 19:55.08 | Antiarc | Less useful now that we can create frames in code, but still. |
| 19:55.19 | VoidRaider | it's not accurate you can access a frame by its name, however if you want to seek a child then you must go through getglobal |
| 19:55.27 | Antiarc | Does that work? ie, if you give frames subscripted names, you can access them as an array? |
| 19:55.35 | Cide | frames are tables |
| 19:55.59 | Antiarc | Right, but if you name a child MyFrame[2], then it's interpreted properly? |
| 19:56.00 | Cide | only thing special is that [0] has a userdata reference |
| 19:56.01 | JoshBorke | yea, what constitutes userdata? objects? |
| 19:56.09 | JoshBorke | nvm |
| 19:56.10 | Cide | userdata is a C object |
| 19:56.22 | VoidRaider | yup |
| 19:56.29 | Cide | Antiarc: no |
| 19:56.42 | Drundia | they use that index to identify frame internally |
| 19:56.42 | Antiarc | I guess I'm reading you wrong then. |
| 19:56.42 | Drundia | for C code |
| 19:56.49 | Cide | Antiarc: you'd set that up in lua |
| 19:57.01 | JoshBorke | krka: you all good? |
| 19:57.18 | Antiarc | Right, which would require either a loop or a line of code per child frame. The loop would still need a getglobal() call, though. |
| 19:57.19 | krka | i think so |
| 19:57.29 | Antiarc | I was mostly responding to the "They could remove getglobal" statement |
| 19:57.43 | Drundia | yes, but u can do a loop in OnLoad |
| 19:57.43 | Cide | Antiarc: :GetChildren() or :GetRegions() |
| 19:57.55 | Cide | alternatively make the frames in lua dynamically |
| 19:57.57 | Antiarc | Hm. That would certainly work! |
| 19:58.12 | JoshBorke | how do you get reference to a frame just by name and not using getglobal? |
| 19:58.21 | Tain | Every call to getglobal increases global warming. |
| 19:58.23 | Cide | memoize the children so you don't have to getglobal every time |
| 19:58.27 | Antiarc | Right. |
| 19:58.33 | JoshBorke | but for any arbitrary time |
| 19:58.33 | Drundia | if u make frames in lua dinamically u can even have all stuff working faster by setting ur own environment. it will speed up ur 'global' lookups |
| 19:58.36 | Cide | Tain: causing thousands of penguins to die every frame |
| 19:58.36 | JoshBorke | ie the first time |
| 19:59.05 | Tain | Think of the poor penguins. |
| 19:59.15 | JoshBorke | THE POOR PENGUINS! |
| 19:59.30 | Drundia | the first time u probably use getglobal. or some getfenv |
| 20:00.35 | Tain | I'm in ur getglobal using your env |
| 20:00.41 | Antiarc | Hahah |
| 20:00.44 | VoidRaider | lol |
| 20:00.45 | JoshBorke | tain, work on visor2 :-P |
| 20:01.02 | Tain | I'm not working on Visor2 at all! |
| 20:01.08 | VoidRaider | I'm in your matrix :) |
| 20:01.14 | Antiarc | Tain, someone from my server was working on converting visor2 to TBC compliance since they were under the impression that nobody was making the conversion. |
| 20:02.21 | Tain | No idea! Someone uploaded a work in progress to wowinterface. |
| 20:02.48 | JoshBorke | i just want buttons i can arrange myself :-( |
| 20:03.18 | Cide | can try out CT_BarMod :) |
| 20:03.22 | VoidRaider | Well Flexbar2 gonna be available ? :P |
| 20:03.24 | Antiarc | My primary problem with hobby work is that I'm so very easily distracted. |
| 20:04.14 | Drundia | making buttons u can arrange urself is easy |
| 20:04.16 | Antiarc | I have about 6 addons I want to write or update, two business-type side projects, and last night I downloaded Captain Comic, which basically introduced me to platform gaming, and started speccing out how I could write a remake of it with modern tech. |
| 20:04.50 | Tain | The problem is you'll never again (for the most part) be able to create butttons to do different things based on events, in combat anyway. |
| 20:05.17 | VoidRaider | yeah well :( |
| 20:05.27 | Drundia | u can hack wow.exe |
| 20:05.42 | Tain | Yeah. |
| 20:05.46 | Tain | That's a brilliant idea. |
| 20:06.17 | VoidRaider | actually I have like 2-3 buttons I predefined that do it all lol |
| 20:06.33 | VoidRaider | in the current release :) |
| 20:06.50 | VoidRaider | so I like the BC change |
| 20:07.49 | VoidRaider | All my hunter melee abilities bind to one button :P |
| 20:08.40 | Drundia | u hunters have a huge buff. u automatically switch between melee and ranged afk-attack |
| 20:09.00 | Drundia | and then they forbid all these kind of checks for addons |
| 20:09.10 | VoidRaider | yeah true :P |
| 20:09.44 | Drundia | we casters need to friggin click every friggin spell suffering from common 10k lagspikes and such.... |
| 20:10.32 | VoidRaider | but I hate the way people abuse the current system in the current release including myself lol |
| 20:11.15 | Drundia | u can have like 3 buttons in 2.0 too |
| 20:11.25 | Drundia | castsequence for all ur 500 imba shots |
| 20:11.48 | VoidRaider | lol "imba shots" |
| 20:11.56 | Drundia | use, the silencing one especially |
| 20:12.16 | VoidRaider | 41 MM I don't think I'll go for it :) |
| 20:12.52 | Drundia | and multishots critting far higher and a lot more often then any known instant cast thing. oh, right, also highest range (excluding occasional pom pyroblasts) |
| 20:13.05 | VoidRaider | and you can't use castsequence just like that, there is no range checks, no cooldown check and the list is long :) |
| 20:13.06 | Antiarc | I got silencing shotted by a hunter who was immune to snares thanks to Beast Within and it critted me for 40,000 and then he used Readiness and did it again and two-shotted me! :( |
| 20:13.41 | VoidRaider | wow :P |
| 20:13.41 | Drundia | yes, that's how it happens on ptr. everyone is really getting one-shotted |
| 20:14.09 | Antiarc | With the extended stam budgets in TBC, it's more like 3-shotted! :D |
| 20:14.27 | Antiarc | I actually took my fury warrior out for a spin in the arena yesterday |
| 20:14.31 | Antiarc | I was surprisingly effective. |
| 20:14.36 | Corrodias | so... Antiarc survived a 40,000 damage hit? >_> |
| 20:14.40 | Antiarc | Soul Link lock. |
| 20:14.42 | Antiarc | >_> |
| 20:14.45 | Antiarc | (not really) |
| 20:14.46 | Drundia | actually more like crit-one-shotted or noncrit-2-shotted because budgets arent really going much higher |
| 20:14.54 | Antiarc | They're doubled, Drundia. |
| 20:15.01 | Corrodias | visitor2, that's one i haven't heard of |
| 20:15.03 | Corrodias | budgets? |
| 20:15.09 | VoidRaider | I almost sure priests can remove the beast within |
| 20:15.21 | Antiarc | Stamina costs half as much in the stamina budget now, which means that it's doubled on items, effectively. |
| 20:15.36 | Drundia | doubled? last tie i checked items are providing 50% more stamina at the same cost. doubling? right, u also get 33% from leveling, but then again u also get 50% damage from leveling |
| 20:15.50 | Antiarc | Err. |
| 20:15.53 | Antiarc | Ok. |
| 20:16.01 | Antiarc | It's 100% more stamina, not 50%. |
| 20:16.19 | Drundia | yes, 50 from items and 50 from levels |
| 20:16.24 | Antiarc | No. |
| 20:16.39 | Antiarc | Stamina, like any other pure stat, used to have a base cost of 230 in the item budget, pre-exponentiation. It now has a base cost of 115, meaning that a 20-stam item can now have 40 stam without changing the item budget. |
| 20:17.01 | VoidRaider | Do you like the new rogue ability 'Shadowstep' ? haha |
| 20:17.31 | Tem | that ability is rediculous |
| 20:17.33 | Drundia | when i checkd thottbot i coould notice change from 1 to 0.67 in blizzard units |
| 20:17.41 | VoidRaider | Why :P |
| 20:17.48 | Antiarc | Drundia: You aren't taking exponentiation into account. |
| 20:17.55 | Drundia | yes i do |
| 20:17.56 | Tem | when ambush crits for more than half my hp and he can do it again instantly from 20 yards, that's overpowered |
| 20:18.17 | VoidRaider | haha :P |
| 20:18.24 | Antiarc | Tem: And then he can't do it again for 10 minutes. |
| 20:18.31 | Tem | 10? |
| 20:18.31 | Antiarc | 3-minute mages one-shotting people come to mind. |
| 20:18.34 | Tem | I thought it was 5 |
| 20:18.37 | Antiarc | Preparation is on a 10-minute cooldown. |
| 20:18.41 | Antiarc | The item cost is (points of the stat * stat cost) ^ 2/3, I believe. |
| 20:18.43 | Tem | he doesn't need prep |
| 20:18.57 | Tem | also, Antiarc 3 minute mages don't oneshot anymore |
| 20:19.01 | Tem | anyone* |
| 20:19.02 | Antiarc | For shadowstep -> ambush -> vanish -> shadowstep -> ambush he would. |
| 20:19.19 | Antiarc | And you'll need the first Shadowstep for the amped ambush. |
| 20:19.25 | Drundia | item cost is ((stat1cost * stat1value)^1.5 + (stat2cost * stat2value)^1.5 + ... ) ^ 2/3 |
| 20:19.37 | Corrodias | now if only preparation finished its own cooldown |
| 20:19.37 | Antiarc | Ah, right. Summation at ^2/3 |
| 20:19.55 | Drundia | i also checked gems |
| 20:20.01 | Antiarc | Easy way to test it, Drundia. Go to: http://wow.tachyonsix.com/itemMaker/ |
| 20:20.04 | Antiarc | Plug in a BC item |
| 20:20.09 | Antiarc | But put in half the stamina |
| 20:20.12 | Drundia | gems have equal stats and were around 0.6-0.75 or so |
| 20:20.15 | Antiarc | There you go, matched item level. |
| 20:20.18 | ckknight | Antiarc, ^2/3 or ^(2/3)? |
| 20:20.29 | Drundia | ^(2/3) |
| 20:20.33 | Antiarc | Yes, that |
| 20:20.48 | Drundia | they screwed item levels a bit |
| 20:21.05 | Tuller | so...has anyone noticed a delay when paging the default actionbar using the mousewheel in TBC? |
| 20:21.20 | Drundia | when i checked some items had heavy overbudget. new high warlord/grand marshal sets spring to mind |
| 20:21.47 | Drundia | weapons seem to lack 10 levels worth of dps |
| 20:23.03 | Corrodias | my guild is voting on leaving the alliance it's currently a part of, so far a 19-6 vote in favor of leaving |
| 20:24.19 | VoidRaider | yeah For The Horde! :P |
| 20:24.26 | Antiarc | Here's an example: http://wow.tachyonsix.com/itemMaker/?id=1523 vs http://www.thottbot.com/beta?i=3413 |
| 20:24.33 | Antiarc | Halved stam puts it right on target. |
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| 20:25.04 | Maldivia | hehe, funny "bug" |
| 20:25.14 | VoidRaider | hi :) |
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| 20:25.39 | Antiarc | I'm trying to find some tanking plate with a stupid amount of STA |
| 20:25.53 | Antiarc | Minus ratings, sockets, and resilience, since we don't have values for those yet. |
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| 20:27.22 | Drundia | all ratings are 1 |
| 20:27.26 | Drundia | hopefully |
| 20:27.41 | Drundia | like equal to str, agi, int, spi - all that kind of stuff |
| 20:28.01 | Maldivia | Antiarc: so, you want a plate item, that only has "normal" stats, nothing else? |
| 20:28.41 | Drundia | btw, look on that item. if u values stamina 2/3, u will have equal stat points in each stat |
| 20:28.43 | Antiarc | Hopefully with a lot of STA, Maldivia |
| 20:29.12 | Antiarc | Drundia, at 2/3, you mean at a stat value of about 153? |
| 20:29.25 | Antiarc | (460 / 3) |
| 20:29.41 | Maldivia | Antiarc: I can give you the item ids of a lot of plate items, with just agi,str,stam,int,spr |
| 20:30.19 | Antiarc | Maldivia: BC stuff? |
| 20:30.24 | Maldivia | yes |
| 20:30.31 | Antiarc | Woot. |
| 20:31.30 | Drundia | yes, 153 then. at wowwiki they say that they saw something about stat values on blizzcon and matched 230 hyz points to 1 blizzard point |
| 20:32.29 | Drundia | i also looked at gems: http://www.thottbot.com/beta?i=14319 http://www.thottbot.com/beta?i=14360 - same level and such. one is 12 sta, other is 8 spi. this ratio usually works |
| 20:33.18 | Maldivia | Antiarc: 30402, 29946, 29945, 29944, 27918, 25958, 25956, 25715, 25569, 25561, 25522, 25511, 25481, 25478 |
| 20:33.28 | Antiarc | Hard to tell with the stuff I'm seeing so far. Valued at 115, they end up about 3 ilvl below their stated level - at 153, they're ending up 2.5-3 levels above so far. Not a lot of data points yet. |
| 20:34.16 | Maldivia | Antiarc: those are the plate armors I had in my db, with only normal stats, no spells, sockets, ratings etc |
| 20:34.58 | Antiarc | Hm. Thott doesn't seem to know about most of 'em. |
| 20:35.11 | Maldivia | those are ingame item ids.. |
| 20:35.14 | Maldivia | not thott id |
| 20:35.22 | Drundia | u access in-game item ids like it=x |
| 20:35.28 | Drundia | not i=x as normally |
| 20:36.02 | Drundia | 30402 is Field Agent's Bracers? |
| 20:36.14 | Maldivia | yes |
| 20:36.24 | Antiarc | Thott IDs are generally the same as in-game IDs. |
| 20:36.25 | Drundia | then right, access them like http://www.thottbot.com/beta?it=30402 |
| 20:36.29 | Antiarc | Precisely |
| 20:36.39 | Antiarc | Aha, it=, not i=. Interesting. |
| 20:37.04 | Drundia | no, thott "i=x" id isnt in-game. it's basically internal thott id that probably comes in order items are added to db |
| 20:37.05 | Maldivia | ehh, thotts info is incorrect |
| 20:37.26 | Antiarc | Drundia: I'm pretty sure that's not the case. I've parsed the WDBs myself and the item IDs there match up with Thott's IDs :) |
| 20:37.38 | Drundia | oh |
| 20:37.46 | Drundia | hmm |
| 20:38.00 | Antiarc | 2/3 is showing a slightly closer match in most cases though. Very interesting. |
| 20:38.02 | Maldivia | Field Agent's Bracers = 21str, 8agi, 16stam, 436 armor, wrist, plate, ilevel 108 |
| 20:38.11 | Antiarc | I did my initial parsing with a 0.5 value when the alpha NDA was first lifted. |
| 20:38.15 | Antiarc | I wonder if they've changed it since then. |
| 20:38.25 | Drundia | but they dont match typical id from item link like |Hitem:id:x:x:x |
| 20:38.33 | Antiarc | They should, IIRC. |
| 20:38.39 | Antiarc | Though I won't guarantee it ;) |
| 20:39.03 | Maldivia | thotts normal ids are not ingame ids |
| 20:39.22 | Antiarc | Hm. They do match the WDB IDs though. |
| 20:39.31 | Antiarc | I wonder why game IDs and WDB IDs would differ. |
| 20:39.38 | Maldivia | for instance: http://www.thottbot.com/beta?i=670 <-- Netherwind Belt, id = 16818 |
| 20:39.42 | Maldivia | ingame == wdb |
| 20:39.56 | Antiarc | http://www.thottbot.com/?i=670 |
| 20:39.57 | Antiarc | There you go. |
| 20:40.01 | Antiarc | :) |
| 20:40.54 | Antiarc | That's somewhat confusing to me, actually. I wrote a WDB parser in Python and have parsed my own WDBs, so I know the data I'm getting isn't tainted, and the IDs have matched Thott/Alla perfectly. |
| 20:40.55 | Drundia | http://www.thottbot.com/beta?i=670 - different from http://www.thottbot.com/?i=670 |
| 20:41.07 | Drundia | alla has ingame ids |
| 20:41.11 | Maldivia | Antiarc: allakhazam uses ingame ids |
| 20:41.24 | Drundia | thott uses its own ids by default |
| 20:41.24 | Maldivia | thott doesn't, as above links clearly showed |
| 20:42.08 | Antiarc | Huh, so it would seem. I could have sworn they did at one point. |
| 20:42.14 | Antiarc | As I used that to debug my own parser :) |
| 20:42.44 | Maldivia | you've probably used allakhazam then (or wowguru, or wowhead, or another site that uses ingame ids) |
| 20:43.03 | Antiarc | Aha |
| 20:43.03 | Antiarc | http://www.thottbot.com/?it=16818 |
| 20:43.08 | Antiarc | it parameter, rather than "i" |
| 20:43.18 | Antiarc | I suspect that was it. |
| 20:43.22 | Drundia | thott screenshot have ingame ids |
| 20:43.25 | Maldivia | yes, that was mentioned 10 minutes ago |
| 20:43.48 | Antiarc | Just making the connection. That's likely how I matched it up. |
| 20:43.53 | Maldivia | but the normal thott links use thottbots own internal numbering |
| 20:43.54 | Antiarc | This was some time ago, so I'm a bit fuzzy on the details ;) |
| 20:44.18 | Drundia | thott needs internal numbering to have items with random suffixed assigned multiple ids |
| 20:44.43 | Maldivia | they could just di i=xxx:yyy |
| 20:44.46 | Maldivia | or something like that |
| 20:44.48 | Antiarc | I'd have elected for a second parameter, but I guess that's harder to implement when you're doing ingame collection. |
| 20:45.47 | Drundia | ingame it has 4 numbers anyway |
| 20:46.39 | Maldivia | well, only 2 are important |
| 20:46.47 | Maldivia | in expansion, 3 are important |
| 20:47.23 | Drundia | which one it new 3rd? |
| 20:47.54 | Maldivia | 1.12: id:enchant:suffix:[something] |
| 20:48.16 | Maldivia | 2.0: id:enchant:gem1:gem2:gem3:[something]:suffix:[suffix modifier] |
| 20:48.24 | Drundia | oh |
| 20:48.38 | Drundia | last time heard 4th was creator |
| 20:48.55 | Maldivia | it's some internal unique number, most likely |
| 20:48.56 | Kaso | its some sort of instance id iirc |
| 20:49.04 | Kaso | yah that |
| 20:49.35 | Maldivia | but in expansion, it used to determining the stats granded by suffixes |
| 20:50.19 | Drundia | erm, like how? |
| 20:50.41 | Drundia | they had bazillion of suffixed before for each combination and things |
| 20:50.46 | Drundia | *suffixes |
| 20:51.02 | Maldivia | TBC style suffixes, are just stat type and multipliers now, and then the [suffix modifier] is used to calculate the stats |
| 20:51.39 | Drundia | so one says "sta+str" for ex and other says "29" and we have 29 sta + 29 str? |
| 20:52.07 | Drundia | thott doesnt deal with tbc suffixes properly, does it? |
| 20:52.13 | Maldivia | doubt it |
| 20:52.30 | Drundia | bc i saw a lot of greens without any stats. probably unknown random stats. |
| 20:52.41 | Maldivia | suffixes aren't stored in the cache files, and since thott gets it data from those files, it's not getting the suffixes, I think |
| 20:52.43 | Antiarc | Those likely come from WDB parses |
| 20:52.46 | Antiarc | Right. |
| 20:53.02 | Antiarc | Stuff with suffixes comes from in-game collection via an addon |
| 20:53.16 | ckknight | Maldivia, any idea on the range of numbers those fields are? |
| 20:53.29 | Maldivia | for the modifier? |
| 20:53.30 | Drundia | i heard something was negative |
| 20:53.39 | Antiarc | Some are definitely negative |
| 20:53.39 | Drundia | to identify tbc things |
| 20:53.44 | Maldivia | if suffix is negative, it's the TBC style |
| 20:53.48 | Antiarc | I ran into that breaking my parses early on. |
| 20:53.51 | Maldivia | if it's positive, it's normal style |
| 20:54.09 | Maldivia | ok, and example of a TBC suffix |
| 20:54.49 | ckknight | Maldivia, I need to work on serializing the new itemlink (for AceComm) |
| 20:55.01 | Drundia | but wasnt 'random enchantment' stored in wdb? |
| 20:55.15 | Drundia | like flag that indicated that there can be random suffix? |
| 20:55.23 | Antiarc | There's a flag that indicates that it's an item with a random enchantment, but no indication of what the suffix is. |
| 20:56.03 | Drundia | ye, and stupid thott doesnt get that flag for tbc :( |
| 20:56.06 | JoshBorke | ok back! |
| 20:56.13 | Antiarc | They may have removed it from the WDB schema |
| 20:56.20 | Maldivia | CK: "(%d+):%d+:%d+:%d+:%d+:%d+:(%-?%d+):(%d+)" should match the item, with the 3 values of interest marked |
| 20:56.27 | Maldivia | CK: the rest are enchants and gems |
| 20:56.45 | ckknight | yea, I need to send the enchants + gems along as well |
| 20:56.57 | Maldivia | ok |
| 20:57.01 | ckknight | basically, I need to compress the item into the smallest space possible, and decompress it later |
| 20:57.20 | cryogen | cant :%d+:%d+:%d+:%d+:%d+: be shorted into a repeat? |
| 20:57.22 | JoshBorke | LZW! |
| 20:57.25 | ckknight | currently (in vanilla WoW), it serializes the first 3 fields into 7-bytes. |
| 20:57.27 | Antiarc | Hm. I was using (item:%-?%d+:%-?%d+:%-?%d+:%-?%d+:%-?%d+:%-?%d+:%-?%d+:%-?%d+), but I guess that can be compressed. |
| 20:57.47 | Maldivia | Drundia: about the new suffixes: |
| 20:57.52 | Antiarc | cryogen: Repeats on captures don't seem to work in Lua regexes, as far as I've been able to tell. |
| 20:57.59 | cryogen | :( |
| 20:58.00 | Antiarc | ie, (%d)+ won't work. |
| 20:58.06 | Antiarc | err, (%d+)+ |
| 20:58.13 | Antiarc | or what have you. |
| 20:58.22 | Maldivia | Example: id 6: "of the Eagle", gives 0.6666 int and 1 stamina, pr modifier point, in the [suffix modifier] |
| 20:58.26 | JoshBorke | Antiarc: ((%d+):)+? |
| 20:58.29 | Drundia | ye, i also WTB some pcre regexes ot something |
| 20:58.33 | Antiarc | Same idea :) |
| 20:59.02 | ckknight | basically, I want to know the range of all the fields |
| 20:59.02 | ckknight | what's the min and max values. |
| 20:59.15 | pastamancer | check the WDB for the width of those fields? |
| 21:00.02 | Antiarc | If the WDB conforms to the vanilla spec, then it's just a 16-bit integer |
| 21:00.14 | Antiarc | If it's signed for BC, that limits the available space a bit though. |
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| 21:00.25 | Maldivia | ck: 6144 boundries: (1-35000):(1-3093):(1-3093):(1-3093):(?):(-57 to -2164):(0-4294967295) |
| 21:00.40 | Maldivia | ehh, -57 to 2164 |
| 21:01.41 | ckknight | that's only 7 fields. |
| 21:01.47 | Maldivia | yeah, missing enchant |
| 21:01.51 | Maldivia | which is also 1-3093 |
| 21:02.10 | ckknight | so (1-35000):(1-3093):(1-3093):(1-3093):(1-3093):(?):(-57 to -2164):(0-4294967295) |
| 21:02.25 | Maldivia | yes |
| 21:02.30 | ckknight | awesome. |
| 21:02.31 | Maldivia | so, for base64 encoding: 3,2,2,2,2,?,[-]2,6 |
| 21:03.13 | Maldivia | well, actually, only the low 16 bit of the 8th field is important |
| 21:03.24 | ckknight | oh? |
| 21:03.29 | ckknight | okay, I have class |
| 21:03.32 | ckknight | but thanks, Maldivia |
| 21:03.40 | ckknight | I'll come up with a compression scheme after class |
| 21:04.01 | Maldivia | juse base64 encode all the numbers (zero padded), and concat them :) |
| 21:04.23 | Drundia | i think u can use base128 |
| 21:04.31 | Maldivia | and you have a 16 byte long string, that represents an item |
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| 21:05.08 | Drundia | but still depends on what do u want to do with them |
| 21:05.10 | Maldivia | since wow and lua uses UTF-8, base128 will be nasty |
| 21:05.22 | Drundia | they dont use utf-8 |
| 21:05.27 | pastamancer | base64? is the intent to bit-pack it or string-encode it? |
| 21:05.39 | JoshBorke | bitpack i believe |
| 21:05.49 | Drundia | wow encodes all input to utf-8 and decodes it when showing as text |
| 21:06.05 | Maldivia | Drundia: lua uses utf-8 internally |
| 21:06.24 | Drundia | erm? where? how? |
| 21:06.37 | nevcairiel | in every string |
| 21:06.38 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 21:07.10 | Maldivia | meaning, you'll see a LOT of \195 in your base128 encode :) |
| 21:08.35 | JoshBorke | Cide: ping |
| 21:08.35 | Cide | pong |
| 21:08.38 | Drundia | my test showed that lua compiled my chars with 128+ codes into single bytes |
| 21:08.42 | JoshBorke | you said to look at ct-barmod for buttons i can arrange manually? |
| 21:08.50 | Cide | yes |
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| 21:09.07 | JoshBorke | from the description of it, it doesn't say i can move them arbitrarily |
| 21:09.07 | Maldivia | Drundia: /dump string.byte("æ", 1) == string.byte("ø", 1) ==> true |
| 21:09.21 | Cide | JoshBorke: that's the old version |
| 21:09.24 | JoshBorke | o.O those are really weird symbols |
| 21:09.34 | zenzelezz | not really |
| 21:09.37 | JoshBorke | Cide: just going off your website :-D |
| 21:09.46 | Cide | JoshBorke: yes, we haven't released the new version |
| 21:09.51 | Maldivia | æøå are standard letters in the Danish alphabet |
| 21:09.54 | JoshBorke | i see |
| 21:10.46 | zenzelezz | if you're an American, don't worry about them... you have enough trouble with your 26 =D |
| 21:11.04 | Maldivia | JoshBorke: "ø" <-- one or two chars? |
| 21:11.06 | JoshBorke | irssi :-D |
| 21:11.07 | JoshBorke | 1 char |
| 21:11.18 | JoshBorke | zenzelezz: and it's true |
| 21:11.24 | JoshBorke | i keep getting l and i mixed up |
| 21:11.56 | Maldivia | JoshBorke: ok, send them as UTF-8, irssi should support that (ø should look like an O with a slash) |
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| 21:12.32 | VoidRaider | night guys |
| 21:12.34 | JoshBorke | nn |
| 21:12.37 | Maldivia | nn |
| 21:12.57 | Drundia | string.len("æ") ==> 2 |
| 21:14.19 | nevcairiel | its an a and an e, obviously 2 :D |
| 21:14.24 | Maldivia | hehe |
| 21:14.29 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 21:14.52 | Drundia | unpack{1,2,3} == unpack{1,3,4}, so ur point about string.byte("æ", 1) == string.byte("ø", 1) ==> true doesnt work |
| 21:15.04 | krka | crap. i'm moving in a few days so i started packing just now... filled 5 crates so far, and all of it's books :( |
| 21:15.06 | zenzelezz | strictly speaking it isn't two letters, it's a single sound |
| 21:15.08 | krka | i'm screwed |
| 21:15.19 | Drundia | no utf-8 internally for lua |
| 21:16.12 | Drundia | chat messages arent 8-bit clean so u cant really utf-8 encode zeroes |
| 21:16.26 | Maldivia | Drundia: string.byte("æ", 1) returns the first byte, and only one byte - and since it's the \195 char, to show it's an UTF-8 extension something whatever |
| 21:16.41 | Maldivia | and that's the same for both æ and ø |
| 21:16.58 | Maldivia | so yes, my comparions work |
| 21:17.22 | Drundia | yes but à is a byte with code \195 |
| 21:18.43 | Drundia | if u compare it in wow it internally converted ur keyboard input to utf-8. |
| 21:18.58 | Drundia | bc that's what it does |
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| 21:19.51 | Drundia | lua itself is 8-bit and 8-bit clean aka binary safe |
| 21:21.58 | Maldivia | well, considering you're using wow chat protocol, to send message to eachother, binary safe is not something you can take for granted |
| 21:22.33 | Drundia | wow chat protocol isnt binary safe |
| 21:22.59 | Drundia | so the only problem is zeroes. but u can encode them as something never used |
| 21:23.16 | krka | wouldn't 8-bit and 8-bit clean imply 8-bit safe? |
| 21:23.23 | krka | binary safe should be 1-bit and 1-bit clean :) |
| 21:24.05 | Maldivia | There are a lot of chars that have special meanings in the chat protocol, that you can't use |
| 21:24.28 | Drundia | | is one more of them |
| 21:25.11 | Maldivia | /run SendChatMessage("\n") |
| 21:25.16 | Maldivia | enjoy your disconnect |
| 21:25.34 | Antiarc | That's still in? |
| 21:26.02 | Drundia | hehe |
| 21:26.13 | Drundia | u still have 128 safe chars |
| 21:26.22 | Maldivia | all I'm saying is, restricting yourself to printable ASCII (for instance base64), and you're on the safe side - and better safe than sorry |
| 21:26.25 | Drundia | i'm sure 128-255 is all accepted |
| 21:26.42 | Drundia | or even base 192... |
| 21:27.00 | krka | doesnt it transfer utf-8? |
| 21:27.36 | Drundia | dont think so |
| 21:27.54 | Inside | 128 safe chars is the safest way to do it :P |
| 21:28.10 | Inside | 128-255 is not necessarily so because sometimes char is unsigned and stuff. |
| 21:30.33 | Drundia | SendChatMessage properly sends most utf-8 sequences, SendAddonMessage should even less restricted |
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| 21:32.03 | Kirkburn | I'm going to be controversial and probably elicit ridicule by posting this, but what the heck - watch these, they're quite fun :D http://www.windowsvistaretail.com/ |
| 21:33.37 | Corrodias | bizarre |
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| 21:35.29 | Kirkburn | heh, very |
| 21:35.51 | Kirkburn | (you can see the third one by editing the link - http://www.windowsvistaretail.com/vista3/en/index.html) |
| 21:36.35 | Corrodias | time for my afternoon nap. 'ni! |
| 21:37.51 | AnduinLothar | wow, i want to stab something now |
| 21:38.24 | Maldivia | Tom and his staff? |
| 21:38.32 | AnduinLothar | even my roommate (the windows user) told me to turn it off |
| 21:38.55 | AnduinLothar | what's a periferal? |
| 21:39.50 | AnduinLothar | it even has subtitles |
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| 21:40.09 | zenzelezz | it's electronic devices you can only see at the very edges of your eyesight |
| 21:40.17 | ckknight | hey all |
| 21:40.23 | Teomyr | hiya |
| 21:40.50 | AnduinLothar | wouldn't that be a "peripheral" |
| 21:40.58 | Maldivia | Kirkburn: here http://www.windowsvistaretail.com/vista1/gr/index.html :) |
| 21:41.03 | zenzelezz | yes, that's where I got the inspiration from AL |
| 21:41.24 | Maldivia | peripheral vision man! :) |
| 21:41.42 | Kirkburn | AnduinLothar, I told you not to watch it! |
| 21:41.46 | AnduinLothar | i'll be damned, i could have sworn it had an 'i' at the end |
| 21:41.53 | Fisker | oh god Maldivia |
| 21:41.56 | Fisker | why german? :( |
| 21:42.03 | Maldivia | http://www.windowsvistaretail.com/vista1/jp/index.html better ? |
| 21:42.05 | Fisker | oh |
| 21:42.09 | AnduinLothar | yeah kirk, i watched it for entertainment value |
| 21:42.19 | Fisker | why the hell "gr" then? |
| 21:42.22 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 21:42.32 | Kirkburn | Er, yeah, De surely |
| 21:42.35 | zenzelezz | why not? |
| 21:42.59 | AnduinLothar | as in hah ha, they have 4 versions now..... double that of XP... I bet Windows 2010 has 8 versions |
| 21:43.18 | Kirkburn | AnduinLothar, I suggest you find out how many version XP has ... |
| 21:43.24 | AnduinLothar | 7 1/2? |
| 21:43.41 | AnduinLothar | home, pro, media, corporate.... |
| 21:43.50 | AnduinLothar | reduced sucky edition |
| 21:44.01 | AnduinLothar | bloated super massive edition |
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| 21:44.26 | Maldivia | Windows Vista estará disponible en cuatro ediciones distintas. |
| 21:44.28 | Kirkburn | Wouldn't that last one be the equivalent of OSX then? |
| 21:44.32 | AnduinLothar | wasn't corporate just multiple liscences of pro? |
| 21:44.51 | AnduinLothar | OSX has a Server edition |
| 21:45.03 | AnduinLothar | but they don't really maket it |
| 21:45.07 | AnduinLothar | market* |
| 21:45.20 | MatthewS | yeah, you usually have to buy some X-Serve's |
| 21:45.28 | Kirkburn | XP has more editions than Vista has, as odd as it sounds |
| 21:45.43 | AnduinLothar | so far... |
| 21:45.47 | Teomyr | which? |
| 21:45.48 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 21:45.48 | Maldivia | SP1, SP2 ? |
| 21:46.01 | Kirkburn | Nah, stuff like Media Center Edition (2004, 2005, etc) |
| 21:46.02 | AnduinLothar | but media ed. didn't come out till like 2 yrs after xp, no? |
| 21:46.21 | Kirkburn | Yeah, think so |
| 21:46.23 | AnduinLothar | and win 64 doesn't really count as an OS |
| 21:46.26 | Kirkburn | 2003 I think was the first |
| 21:46.33 | AnduinLothar | it's like a crappy port |
| 21:47.06 | Maldivia | 2002, 2004, 2005 |
| 21:47.17 | Maldivia | (freestyle, harmony and symphony) |
| 21:47.20 | Kirkburn | Ah, this is a good overview of it all: http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/winvista_02.asp |
| 21:47.35 | AnduinLothar | lol Starter Edition |
| 21:47.44 | ckknight | Maldivia, you said the low 16 bits of the 8th field is impotant. Know why? |
| 21:47.46 | Kirkburn | The version of Media Center in Vista is pretty good from what I've found |
| 21:47.58 | Maldivia | ckknight: because the low 16bit determines the multiplier ): |
| 21:48.00 | Maldivia | :) |
| 21:48.19 | AnduinLothar | wtf Home Premium == Media Center Edition ?? |
| 21:48.25 | Kirkburn | Pretty much |
| 21:48.33 | ckknight | so if I did mod(x, 65536) it wouldn't change anything? |
| 21:48.40 | AnduinLothar | who's brilliant idea was it to give it 2 names? |
| 21:48.52 | Kirkburn | There is no Vista Media Center Edition |
| 21:49.16 | Kirkburn | Media Center is a program, the XP versions just had that name to show they included it |
| 21:49.18 | AnduinLothar | oh ok, misread the graph |
| 21:49.22 | grimman|afkish | Has the US had their maintenance period for this week yet? |
| 21:49.31 | Kirkburn | Yup |
| 21:49.33 | JoshBorke | yes |
| 21:49.34 | Maldivia | ckknight: I'd do mod.band(x, 65535), but that's just me :) |
| 21:49.35 | grimman|afkish | Patched? |
| 21:49.49 | AnduinLothar | i love how the ads said ultimate would be for gamers |
| 21:49.50 | Kirkburn | nope |
| 21:49.52 | ckknight | Maldivia, bit.band, but I know what you mean. |
| 21:50.00 | grimman|afkish | Crap. :( |
| 21:50.01 | AnduinLothar | to get them to shell out an extra $100 |
| 21:50.28 | Maldivia | Note to self, make an alias for the bit table called big, and start using big.band |
| 21:50.35 | Kirkburn | I'm getting Ultimate |
| 21:51.16 | ckknight | hehe, Maldivia |
| 21:51.18 | Kirkburn | Anyone who calls themselves a "gamer" would prefer the Ultimate edition, but anyone else wouldn't miss the other stuff |
| 21:51.18 | AnduinLothar | Hopefully it ships before I graduate, so i can get a free liscence |
| 21:51.31 | Kirkburn | January early enough? |
| 21:51.47 | Maldivia | Kirkburn: anyone who calls themselves a "gamer", waits a year or so, before upgrading |
| 21:51.50 | AnduinLothar | I'll believe it when I see it |
| 21:52.00 | zenzelezz | I remember getting WinXP Pro for OEM price... they didn't much care whether you actually bought anything else |
| 21:52.20 | Kirkburn | AnduinLothar, it's gone to RTM, so there's no reason for any more delays |
| 21:52.21 | Neuro_Medivh | I'm with Maldivia |
| 21:52.30 | AnduinLothar | and Mald is right. it's gonna suck right out the door |
| 21:52.31 | Kirkburn | Er, why wait? |
| 21:52.50 | Kirkburn | I'm glad reasoned thought prevades here |
| 21:52.52 | Neuro_Medivh | Most Windows OSes aren't very gamer-friendly out the door |
| 21:53.09 | zenzelezz | prevades? |
| 21:53.09 | AnduinLothar | I garentee many substantial updates within the first 6 months |
| 21:53.22 | Kirkburn | Prevails, if it makes you feel better :P |
| 21:53.51 | zenzelezz | it does. Anything containing "evade" makes me think of Anub'Rekhan |
| 21:53.56 | Neuro_Medivh | Also, I remember Windows ME edition |
| 21:54.02 | Kirkburn | I fail to see how XP was gamer unfriendly |
| 21:54.04 | |FF|Im2good4u | how come this wont work ? RaidLeaderAssistList[0]["f"] = bit.bor(RaidLeaderAssistList[0]["f"],bit.not(4096)) --just to remove the 4096 bit |
| 21:54.39 | |FF|Im2good4u | it says <name> expected near not |
| 21:54.42 | Kirkburn | I also fail to see how Vista is 'gonna suck' when released. You realise I've been testing it for a couple of months now with various games and have found few to no problems? |
| 21:54.55 | Neuro_Medivh | I never said it was gonna suck |
| 21:55.07 | Kirkburn | I didn't say your name, either :P |
| 21:55.09 | Neuro_Medivh | I simply agreed with the "wait and see" comment |
| 21:55.23 | zenzelezz | I don't think Vista will suck for lack of testing; I just don't find any of the "improvements" interesting |
| 21:55.26 | grimman|afkish | Kirkburn: All versions of Windows were tested prior to release. And less than all (hehe) have been launched smoothly. |
| 21:55.49 | Kirkburn | No, no versions of Windows have ever been tested like Vista was |
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| 21:55.57 | AnduinLothar | it's windows right? If so, then I stand by my claim of "it's gonna suck". Of course it will suck less than XP.... |
| 21:56.22 | Neuro_Medivh | I had to reformat my harddrive after installing Windows ME, cause I upgraded "right away". Never again. |
| 21:56.43 | Kirkburn | Yes, well, Vista isn't ME :P And I totally know the ME problems, argh |
| 21:56.51 | JoshBorke | bb all |
| 21:56.59 | grimman|afkish | You mean public beta and such? I wouldn't really call that testing, most of the people who need to test their stuff on Vista get their hands on a beta release, but the vast majority of people just want to use it before it's released or because it's free. :P |
| 21:57.30 | Neuro_Medivh | oh, and: www.deadtroll.com/video/ossuckscable.html |
| 21:57.41 | Kirkburn | grimman|afkish, nearly all the testers submit automatic bug reports though |
| 21:58.13 | grimman|afkish | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNugTC7L6HM |
| 21:58.31 | Kirkburn | I think they had the known bugs down to well under 1000 for RTM |
| 21:58.49 | grimman|afkish | Kirkburn: As far as I know, the people worth their while disables such things anyway so it won't bother them. :P |
| 21:59.30 | Kirkburn | That makes no sense - when Windows has an error it tells you, and gives you the option to send the bug report. Yes, you can click no, but I would guess most click Ok |
| 21:59.46 | zenzelezz | really? |
| 21:59.51 | *** part/#wowi-lounge MatthewS (n=duncan@dancewithdevils.com) |
| 21:59.56 | AnduinLothar | wait, you think they read those reports? |
| 22:00.04 | Kirkburn | *sigh* |
| 22:00.14 | zenzelezz | "uh oh, they'll steal all sorts of info from me" is the reaction I see most from the not-too-technically-inclined |
| 22:00.30 | Kirkburn | zenzelezz, and those people won't be using a beta, will they :) |
| 22:00.53 | zenzelezz | you're only talking beta? XP also lets you send a bug report, doesn't it? |
| 22:01.17 | Kirkburn | Yeah, but weren't we talking about the state of Vista for the last 10 mins ;) |
| 22:01.22 | grimman|afkish | Kirkburn: What I |
| 22:01.30 | grimman|afkish | 'm saying is that error reporting is a service. |
| 22:01.32 | zenzelezz | your statement could easily be about any Windows version |
| 22:01.36 | Kirkburn | zenzelezz, true though, I don't always click send myself |
| 22:01.38 | grimman|afkish | It can be turned off. |
| 22:02.16 | Kirkburn | You should get that looked it, looks nasty, Inside \o/ |
| 22:02.46 | Inside | :< |
| 22:02.53 | Kirkburn | Okay, it can be turned off. I'm just saying, that the wide beta allowed for a lot of bug reports :P |
| 22:03.06 | Kirkburn | Far more than XP ever had |
| 22:03.16 | Inside | The only bug report I've honestly submitted was.. "MAKE LFG A GLOBAL CHAN AGAIN PLZ PLZ PLZ PLZ" |
| 22:03.48 | Kirkburn | I think Microsoft would have regarded that bug report with a confused and worried eye ;) |
| 22:06.31 | zenzelezz | they made it local? |
| 22:06.42 | Kirkburn | They removed it, did they not? |
| 22:06.52 | zenzelezz | I wouldn't know, I only play on live |
| 22:07.13 | Kirkburn | Thar be no LFG channel in thar beta! Yarr! |
| 22:07.49 | zenzelezz | so you have no choice but to use the LFG interface (or abuse other channels)? |
| 22:07.51 | Inside | There is an LF channel. |
| 22:07.53 | Kirkburn | Neptulon came and ate it |
| 22:07.53 | Inside | LFG |
| 22:07.59 | Inside | It's just no in the uh.. join menu |
| 22:08.01 | AnduinLothar | trade channel gets abused now |
| 22:08.04 | Inside | You can still do /join lookingforgroup |
| 22:08.14 | Inside | And it was getting quite a bit of traffic too |
| 22:08.15 | Kirkburn | Not an official channel, though |
| 22:08.43 | nevcairiel | the LFG system is quite good tho, only in Beta not used by lots of people because they dont know it |
| 22:10.09 | zenzelezz | can you only be an individual looking for a group, or can you be a group looking for more? |
| 22:10.33 | Antiarc | Both. |
| 22:10.37 | Antiarc | And I rather like the LFG system |
| 22:10.46 | Antiarc | It has found me groups very quickly and effectively every time I've used it |
| 22:12.09 | Inside | I dunno |
| 22:12.14 | Inside | I want to talk to the people first before I go somewhere. |
| 22:12.21 | Inside | Which is why I never ever ever use the stupid meeting stones. |
| 22:12.32 | Antiarc | Summoning meeting stones = rawk |
| 22:12.38 | ckknight | wait, so do old item links still exist or was everything converted to the new style? |
| 22:12.46 | Antiarc | It's all converted, I believe. |
| 22:14.56 | Drundia | they just need to make "General - The Barrens" global imo |
| 22:15.02 | grimman|afkish | http://moishelettvin.blogspot.com/2006/11/windows-shutdown-crapfest.html << Vista! :D |
| 22:15.03 | grimman|afkish | :P |
| 22:15.34 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Parak (i=PROFI@user-10874ap.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 22:15.54 | Drundia | or just make a standard global channel for folks to chat about each other mothers, being 40-y.o. virgins and such at nights... |
| 22:16.50 | Inside | I've been to the barrens |
| 22:16.58 | Inside | And there has never been interesting discussion there |
| 22:16.58 | Inside | wtf |
| 22:17.22 | Antiarc | Alliance or Horde? |
| 22:17.32 | *** join/#wowi-lounge malreth (n=triti@cpe-72-179-20-11.austin.res.rr.com) |
| 22:17.36 | Antiarc | You'd have to be hordeside to get the really interesting discussion. |
| 22:17.42 | malreth | "server is busy" Noooooo! |
| 22:17.50 | Inside | >_> |
| 22:17.53 | Inside | both! |
| 22:17.54 | Tuller | bleh, its actionbutton_getpagedid which is slow |
| 22:18.15 | Drundia | yes it sucks at speed as much as possible |
| 22:18.38 | Drundia | ah, well, not as much as BarOptions out of range coloring..... |
| 22:20.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | i hope baroptions gets a maintainer :x |
| 22:22.37 | AnduinLothar | wow wtf |
| 22:23.14 | AnduinLothar | Deadlykris, an mvp, commenting his opinion based on his experience a year ago? |
| 22:23.19 | AnduinLothar | or more |
| 22:23.30 | AnduinLothar | I thought mvps were sposed to be respectable |
| 22:23.49 | AnduinLothar | and i can't even post cause the server's being stupid |
| 22:24.26 | Drundia | servers are always stupid. it's intended. |
| 22:25.09 | Inside | >_> |
| 22:25.20 | Inside | WoW forums being stupid = Blizzard just limiting the posting for the day |
| 22:25.20 | Inside | <3 |
| 22:25.43 | Drundia | "Hello, AduinLothar, this is GM Qwerty. I have to tell you that it works as intended. You can ask anyone they will tell you that it works exactly the same way for them. Farewell and have fun, AnduinLothar." |
| 22:26.58 | Drundia | ^ that's exciting way to replace GMs by real automatic answers for tickets because it's what happens usually anyway. |
| 22:27.14 | AnduinLothar | macros |
| 22:27.52 | Drundia | yes, they use macroes, but the reply should be automatic just when ppl submit tickets because it ends up with macroes anyway |
| 22:28.43 | AnduinLothar | I have a very smart ass respons i want to post before i lose interest, but the server's restraining me |
| 22:34.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | link to it AL |
| 22:34.53 | AnduinLothar | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=49627573 |
| 22:35.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | grassyass |
| 22:36.37 | grimman|afkish | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/11/28/hard_lessons_in_privacy/ << Wow... just wow. |
| 22:39.54 | Amro | some GM said "may all your hits be crits" as a farewell |
| 22:40.24 | grimman|afkish | I've seen "may your arrows never miss". ;) |
| 22:41.03 | Drundia | Amro, if u r rogue or hunter it is already the case |
| 22:41.29 | AnduinLothar | there, i posted |
| 22:41.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | or a feral druid that stacks the agi :P |
| 22:41.37 | Cairenn | lol |
| 22:41.43 | AnduinLothar | I'll prolly regret it and edit it later, so you better read it while it's there |
| 22:41.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've got a 31% crit rate on the ptr :P |
| 22:42.02 | Cairenn | @ the security thing |
| 22:42.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | eh sassing mvps isn't against policy especially when you're just telling it like it is when they're hoppin on the cosmos hate bandwagon |
| 22:43.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | now if it was a blue post, i'd be hesitant, but i seriously doubt you'll see anything negative becoming of that |
| 22:44.22 | AnduinLothar | depends on the public image of MVPs and whether the negative comments reflect poorly on Cosmos |
| 22:44.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | i also reported the mvp for "Defamatory language towards Cosmos Development team, not very representative of MVP Status" :D |
| 22:44.47 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 22:44.56 | AnduinLothar | I wasn't that mean |
| 22:45.11 | AnduinLothar | but he's been quoted a couple times, he can't just edit it |
| 22:45.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm an evil bastard when injustice is dealt :P |
| 22:46.17 | Fisker | Leatherworking or Engineering |
| 22:46.21 | Fisker | What do i scrap for enchanting? |
| 22:46.27 | Drundia | lw |
| 22:46.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'd probably scrap LWing, it's less useful than engineering and makes about as much money :x |
| 22:46.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'd probably wait till bc comes out to drop anything |
| 22:47.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm about to drop LWing for herbalism i think, i dunno, i've got enchanting and LWing |
| 22:47.25 | grimman|afkish | LW has that nice riding trinket now though. |
| 22:47.35 | Fisker | boe |
| 22:47.46 | Fisker | but i'm gonna drop before TBC because of the disenchant requirements |
| 22:47.47 | grimman|afkish | Indeed. |
| 22:48.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | dammit i wanna see what the latest ptr patch is all about |
| 22:48.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | but the ptrs are down :/ |
| 22:48.31 | Guillotine | AnuinLothar: link to the thread? |
| 22:49.10 | AnduinLothar | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=49627573 |
| 22:49.27 | Guillotine | ty :) search is all messed up. like usual |
| 22:49.30 | AnduinLothar | you don't need to hate on him any more, i think mine is sufficient |
| 22:49.51 | Guillotine | wasn't going to, but want to read it ;) |
| 22:49.54 | AnduinLothar | k |
| 22:50.26 | AnduinLothar | Out for the night, cya |
| 22:50.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | see ya AL |
| 22:51.33 | Drundia | ahaha, silly ppl. i think cosmos had 'keep interface directory clean' off by default |
| 22:51.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | my post was initially hating on the MVP but i decided to contribute to the original point of the thread by saying i can't contribute to the original point of the thread |
| 22:51.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | it had it on by default a really long time ago i think |
| 22:52.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | but for the longest time, even the old patcher had it off by default |
| 22:52.31 | Kirkburn | Oh "Raybeez", I get it now :P |
| 22:52.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | :P |
| 22:53.09 | Drundia | stupid mvp. delete&ban |
| 22:53.10 | Fisker | i hate this shit |
| 22:53.28 | Fisker | "Do you want to unlearn Leatherworking" |
| 22:53.31 | Fisker | I can barely click :( |
| 22:53.40 | Fisker | choices = :( |
| 22:53.54 | Cide | Drundia: that's uncalled for |
| 22:56.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | come on ptr, i want to see your changes :[ |
| 22:56.45 | End | ugh, wowwiki is being slow |
| 22:58.26 | Kirkburn | Ugh, I should probably visit there again some time. Nah, I'll eat some food instead ... |
| 22:58.59 | Kirkburn | (well, what would *you* do?) |
| 22:59.36 | Kirkburn | I'm so going to have to keep these leaflets I got with my Warcrafy manga books |
| 23:00.28 | Kirkburn | A manga leaflet with such titles as "Beck: Mongolian Chop Squad" |
| 23:00.28 | Tem | lol, the new game stats are awesome |
| 23:00.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | heheh |
| 23:00.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | did the third volume ever come out kirk? |
| 23:00.48 | Tem | I love looking at 'raiding tuesday' and seeing Vael jump the rankings to #1 |
| 23:01.04 | *** join/#wowi-lounge hyperChipmunk (n=staharaj@d14-69-214-77.try.wideopenwest.com) |
| 23:02.09 | Kirkburn | Gatcha Gacha: "Yuri has a big crush on Yabe, but Yabe has decided the only girl he will ever seriously date is Motoko. The problem? Yuri and Motoko are friends, and Motoko doesn't want to have anything to do with Yabe! Can you say "Triangle"?! <-- now who would want to pass that up!? |
| 23:02.14 | End | game stats are neat |
| 23:02.47 | Kirkburn | With a fetching cover with decals of "FLIRTING IS GOOD" and lower down the page "NO IT'S NOT!" |
| 23:03.38 | Kirkburn | However, even that leaflet cannot compare with the other I got ... |
| 23:03.57 | Kirkburn | "The Hoff's guide to life: A modern manual for the chest hair challenged" |
| 23:04.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | what |
| 23:04.25 | Kirkburn | hello |
| 23:04.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | hi |
| 23:05.10 | Kirkburn | Fashion: When out shopping for new fashion, just remember three key words - tight, black and made of leather. |
| 23:05.32 | Kirkburn | And don't be afraid of Spandex. Spandex is your friend. |
| 23:06.45 | Kirkburn | Oh David Hasselhoff, how I wish you could teach me more! |
| 23:07.34 | Cide | get out of the car |
| 23:08.12 | Kirkburn | Aww, I don't wanna walk all the way home :( |
| 23:08.32 | Cide | it's too far! (and with that said, night everyone) |
| 23:08.39 | Kirkburn | G'night |
| 23:08.57 | Kirkburn | (no matter, my spandex suit shall keep me warm and dry on the long walk home) |
| 23:10.10 | Fisker | damn |
| 23:10.20 | Fisker | just dissed all my tier1 and all my random epic loot |
| 23:10.29 | Cairenn | are you feeling quite all right? |
| 23:10.33 | Fisker | only got tier 2,5/2 and some bwl/aq randoms left now |
| 23:11.13 | cladhaire | Should I order: Pizza, Chinese, Fast Food, Subs, Sandwiches? |
| 23:11.46 | Kaelten | hrm, steak out |
| 23:13.30 | Kirkburn | Come now, does that descrip for Gatcha Gacha not draw you into the fantastical world and make you wanna go out and buy it right not? Like, now? Of course it does, which is why you're putting your coat on right now .... |
| 23:13.40 | Mery | do it wow like /rand 5 |
| 23:16.11 | Kirkburn | cladhaire, sandwiches sound rather good |
| 23:16.22 | cladhaire | ~rand 5 |
| 23:17.05 | wereHamster | ~roulette |
| 23:17.07 | purl | ACTION watches werehamster pull the trigger: Click! |
| 23:17.16 | *** join/#wowi-lounge JoshBork1 (n=Josh@r35h14.res.gatech.edu) |
| 23:17.42 | wereHamster | hm.. that didn't really work out the way I expected it :-/ |
| 23:18.12 | JoshBork1 | hola! |
| 23:18.23 | SB1-Work | lol @ wereHamster |
| 23:18.25 | SB1-Work | Do it again! |
| 23:18.35 | zenzelezz | "click" is the good sound |
| 23:18.49 | SB1-Work | zenzelezz, ~roulette yourself then! |
| 23:18.55 | wereHamster | SB1-Work, no, now's your turn |
| 23:19.00 | zenzelezz | no, it might scratch my helmet |
| 23:19.01 | SB1-Work | wereHamster, nah |
| 23:19.10 | SB1-Work | I'm leaving to go home in... five minutes |
| 23:19.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | ~roulette |
| 23:19.15 | purl | ACTION watches mr_rabies2 pull the trigger: Click! |
| 23:19.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | :x |
| 23:19.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | this gun is fixed |
| 23:19.44 | SB1-Work | lol |
| 23:19.46 | SB1-Work | wtf |
| 23:19.49 | SB1-Work | ~roulette |
| 23:19.50 | purl | ACTION watches sb1-work pull the trigger: Click! |
| 23:20.00 | SB1-Work | ~roulette |
| 23:20.02 | purl | ACTION watches sb1-work pull the trigger: Click! |
| 23:20.02 | Maldivia | give the but op, and try again :) |
| 23:20.08 | SB1-Work | -roulette |
| 23:20.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's empty dammit :x |
| 23:20.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | ohhh |
| 23:20.14 | SB1-Work | Err, right, wrong bot |
| 23:20.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | that would be why |
| 23:20.39 | JoshBork1 | ~roulette |
| 23:20.41 | purl | ACTION watches joshbork1 pull the trigger: Click! |
| 23:21.04 | SB1-Work | ~roulette |
| 23:21.06 | purl | ACTION watches sb1-work pull the trigger: BANG! |
| 23:21.10 | SB1-Work | ... |
| 23:22.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | finally, lollers |
| 23:22.58 | Inside | 0_o hm |
| 23:23.50 | SB1-Work | Oh well |
| 23:26.41 | Kirkburn | Interesting post from Tigole! http://blue.cardplace.com/newcache/beta.worldofwarcraft.com/1520314.htm |
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| 23:27.49 | thr | where can i find a list of all the events now when the wiki is down? QQ |
| 23:28.21 | Neuro_Medivh | there's no mirror to the wiki that I know of |
| 23:28.38 | thr | and there is no list of events ANYWHERE else in the world? ;> |
| 23:28.56 | wereHamster | thr, the WoW.exe itself.. |
| 23:29.29 | Neuro_Medivh | thr, outside of Blizzard, probably not |
| 23:29.31 | Kirkburn | Next beta push should be this week, apparently |
| 23:29.39 | Neuro_Medivh | except some private copy |
| 23:30.27 | Mery | google cache http://72.14.221.104/search?q=cache:nbm3GzYY7mEJ:www.wowwiki.com/Events_A-Z_(Full_List)+wowwiki+full+event+list&hl=de&gl=de&ct=clnk&cd=1 |
| 23:31.02 | thr | <3 google |
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| 23:35.17 | Kaso | whatcha make of this http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/toplist/index.html?en,killedby (specifically the poistioning of the two AV leaders) |
| 23:36.50 | Antiarc | Kaso: That the Warmasters and Bowmen are a lot more deadly than the Alliance leader? :P |
| 23:37.09 | Kaso | i was more getting at that alliance win AV more |
| 23:38.11 | Antiarc | That's a list of deadliest creatures, not most farmed. |
| 23:38.19 | Antiarc | ie, mobs that kill the most players |
| 23:38.20 | Kaso | i know |
| 23:38.22 | Antiarc | Rather than the other way around |
| 23:38.36 | Antiarc | Or are you pointing out that the Alliance has a lot more contact time with the Horde leader? |
| 23:38.48 | Kaso | yes |
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| 23:38.56 | Neuro_Medivh | That's no surprise |
| 23:39.07 | Guillotine | I think its b/c alliance zerg horde leader |
| 23:39.09 | Guillotine | since theres no heals |
| 23:39.11 | Guillotine | :P |
| 23:39.13 | Neuro_Medivh | Nope |
| 23:39.23 | Neuro_Medivh | it's because Alliance are more often killing him |
| 23:39.40 | Neuro_Medivh | whereas Horde just don't get that far usually |
| 23:39.51 | Guillotine | ahh, could be |
| 23:40.15 | Guillotine | in my BG group, usually horde are about half way through with alliance leader when alliance kills horde |
| 23:40.23 | Kaso | mm, i think on a large scale like this player skill is mostly averaded out |
| 23:40.26 | Neuro_Medivh | Look at how many people are killed by "Succubus" |
| 23:40.46 | Kaso | Im not sure if that means the pet or not. |
| 23:40.53 | Antiarc | They were going to include "warlock", but that made the page h-scroll. |
| 23:41.07 | Mery | *lol* |
| 23:41.12 | Neuro_Medivh | Well, look at Defias Pillager |
| 23:41.34 | Neuro_Medivh | it's up there cause it slaughters newbies, not because it's dangerous |
| 23:41.38 | Antiarc | Defias Pillagers are bastards because nobody has spell interrupts at the level you fight them. |
| 23:41.59 | Neuro_Medivh | if you weighted the list with the level of the player killed, it might turn out differently |
| 23:42.00 | Kaso | also i believe theyre so high up cos theyre in an alliance zone |
| 23:42.11 | Antiarc | Their fireballs hurt, high spawn rate, and they aggro from halfway across the zone. |
| 23:42.14 | Neuro_Medivh | they're in THE alliance zone |
| 23:42.21 | Inside | wow |
| 23:42.24 | Inside | those defias pillagers, daymn |
| 23:42.25 | Neuro_Medivh | since it's the one with the low lvl dungeon |
| 23:42.40 | Malivil | Those numbers are nuts |
| 23:42.49 | Neuro_Medivh | I just wish Alliance had a Barrens analog though |
| 23:42.54 | Inside | westfall? |
| 23:43.00 | Malivil | ....yup |
| 23:43.02 | Neuro_Medivh | it's only half |
| 23:43.02 | Antiarc | Westfall is close-ish. |
| 23:43.09 | Antiarc | But nowhere as bad in terms of size |
| 23:43.17 | Neuro_Medivh | alliance has 3 midlevel zones |
| 23:43.21 | Malivil | oh yea, barrens is prety huge |
| 23:43.21 | Maldivia | westfall+redridge |
| 23:43.22 | Neuro_Medivh | er, teens zones |
| 23:43.29 | Antiarc | Nelves have the Teldrassil -> Ironforge run, though, which sucks. |
| 23:43.35 | Neuro_Medivh | westfall, loch modan, and darkshore |
| 23:43.48 | Malivil | Antiarc: I've done that run many times... and yes it does suck |
| 23:43.50 | Neuro_Medivh | whereas the horde have 2 |
| 23:43.59 | Neuro_Medivh | because the tauren and orc cities use the same zone |
| 23:44.02 | Antiarc | In fairness, the Barrens is like 6 zones by itself. |
| 23:44.04 | Neuro_Medivh | as their teens zone |
| 23:44.12 | Malivil | thats why the barrens is huge |
| 23:44.19 | Malivil | because orc + tauren + trolls use it |
| 23:44.22 | Neuro_Medivh | yes, but it has twice the quests |
| 23:44.29 | Neuro_Medivh | as westfall or loch modan |
| 23:44.33 | Neuro_Medivh | but they are in the same place |
| 23:44.37 | Neuro_Medivh | so it's easier to run them |
| 23:44.38 | Malivil | Yea, it makes up for the lack of a third |
| 23:44.43 | Neuro_Medivh | I realize that |
| 23:44.50 | Antiarc | I hope that Mankrik gets remarried in TBC |
| 23:44.54 | Antiarc | And his wife dies in the Outlands |
| 23:44.55 | Kaso | haha |
| 23:44.57 | Malivil | ... |
| 23:44.58 | Kaso | poor guy |
| 23:45.07 | Neuro_Medivh | It's like having Loch Modan and Westfall right next to each other |
| 23:45.07 | Kaso | (spot the aliiance player ^) |
| 23:45.08 | Malivil | what are you talking about? |
| 23:45.19 | Antiarc | WERE IS MANKIRKS WIFE????????????? |
| 23:45.32 | Antiarc | That question is -constant- in the barrens |
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| 23:45.38 | cladhaire | Where is Mankirk's Wife? |
| 23:45.43 | cladhaire | its also a constant question in HFP |
| 23:45.46 | Fisker | it's mankrik though |
| 23:45.56 | Inside | Makrik? |
| 23:46.01 | Fisker | that's probably because of the assasing quest :P |
| 23:46.07 | Fisker | assasin* |
| 23:46.17 | Neuro_Medivh | westfall gets "Where is the Defias Messenger? |
| 23:46.21 | Antiarc | In fairness, the Talisman quest IS really vague. |
| 23:46.32 | Antiarc | And in fairness, Mankrik's wife doesn't patrol half the zone. |
| 23:46.35 | Antiarc | I mean, she's a corpse. |
| 23:46.38 | Antiarc | She's not going anywhere. |
| 23:46.59 | Fisker | gonna go to sleep though |
| 23:47.00 | Fisker | bye |
| 23:47.04 | Antiarc | "Where is the messenger" is a rather valid question, since he patrols a loooong path. |
| 23:47.17 | Thardal | you can just stay at the mine and keep killing defias until the messenger comes by |
| 23:47.17 | Neuro_Medivh | the other questions very popular in Barrens is "Where is Kranal Fiss" |
| 23:47.18 | Antiarc | And asking if anyoen has seen him can cut a lot of time off of the search |
| 23:47.42 | Antiarc | I usually just camp the spawn point in Moonbrook. Someone always wanders by and nukes the guy if he gets out onto the road. |
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| 23:49.40 | thr | can anyone give me the regexp needed to extract item links from strings? |
| 23:49.45 | thr | since the wiki is down, etc. |
| 23:50.08 | Kaso | that was posted easier actually :> |
| 23:50.43 | thr | ? |
| 23:50.47 | Maldivia | local _,_,link = string.find(msg, "\124Hitem:(%d+:%d+:%d+:%d+:%d+:%d+:%-?%d+:%d+)\124h") |
| 23:50.56 | Maldivia | from the top of my head |
| 23:51.04 | Guillotine | thr: in TBC or live? |
| 23:51.09 | Guillotine | item links were changed slightly in TBC |
| 23:51.16 | thr | live |
| 23:51.31 | thr | Maldivia <3 thnx |
| 23:51.42 | Maldivia | that was for tbc - soon to be live |
| 23:51.48 | Malivil | Few weeks |
| 23:51.50 | thr | well, currnet live? |
| 23:52.01 | Malivil | OOOOk then |
| 23:52.02 | Antiarc | \124 rather than the pipe? What's the reason for that? |
| 23:52.15 | Malivil | I think im gonna re-activate my account and start playing now... |
| 23:52.28 | Guillotine | thr: http://wow.cursebeta.com/en/wiki/item-link-guide/ has a rather in depth list for live |
| 23:52.35 | thr | thnx |
| 23:52.46 | Drundia | wow replaces | by || when u type it |
| 23:52.48 | Guillotine | pipe works in the addon, if you're running it in a /script from the chatbox you need \124 |
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| 23:54.46 | Maldivia | just used to typing \124, since I do a lot of item link testing in the chat edit box :) |
| 23:57.08 | Guillotine | me as well |
| 23:57.26 | Guillotine | also used to have lots of fun with it before they added in link checking >.> |
| 23:57.42 | Maldivia | Guillotine: you'll have a lot of fun in TBC again |
| 23:57.56 | Guillotine | what do you mean? its still validated |
| 23:57.57 | Guillotine | I tried |
| 23:58.24 | Maldivia | changing the last number on items with suffixes (tbc style suffixes) has a very fun effect |
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| 23:58.34 | Guillotine | hmmm. I have to try that ;) ty |
| 23:59.03 | Guillotine | adding in gems was fun as well. Having 3 meta gems on a 61 chest piece |
| 23:59.16 | Guillotine | still nothing compared to the old [Shaman on a Stick] though |
