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| 00:25.08 | Tuller | I'm thinking that /find itemname kinda makes having a seperate inventory window actually irrelevent |
| 00:25.45 | Tuller | except, maybe in the case of not knowing what you're looking for |
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| 00:26.57 | Tuller | (aka I released vBagnon and I'm trying to figure out how the UI should work still) |
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| 01:05.38 | ckknight | :-( |
| 01:06.47 | ckknight | clues? |
| 01:06.49 | Mike-N-Go | glues* |
| 01:06.52 | ckknight | lol |
| 01:08.11 | Mike-N-Go | We like to have fun :P |
| 01:11.03 | Tain | Causing lacerations and pouring glue in them is fun? |
| 01:11.31 | Mike-N-Go | I guess so. |
| 01:13.55 | Mike-N-Go | Any idea when I may get the BETA key? I submitted my request on 11/14/2006 at 03:18 AM. |
| 01:15.16 | Mike-N-Go | 10 days ago. |
| 01:17.26 | Tain | Took me about 2 weeks. |
| 01:20.02 | Mike-N-Go | Ok, 4 days then. |
| 01:26.16 | Mike-N-Go | And, what can I do to put my toons there? |
| 01:26.19 | Mike-N-Go | How does that work? |
| 01:26.26 | Mike-N-Go | Are they copied, or moved over? |
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| 01:31.07 | Tain | You can copy one of your existing characters over, or create a brand new one at level 1. |
| 01:33.18 | Mike-N-Go | How does the copying work? |
| 01:33.46 | Tain | Through the Blizzard web site. You can select your characters through a drop down when you're logged in. |
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| 01:44.07 | Mike-N-Go | And does all there bank and bag contents transfer too? |
| 01:44.33 | Mike-N-Go | And is the guy on the original server left untouched? |
| 01:45.09 | ckknight | yes |
| 01:46.03 | Mike-N-Go | Oh, so the best thing to do is load up your transfer guy with all the monies, gear, and goods? |
| 01:46.31 | Mike-N-Go | How about the mail, does that go over too? |
| 01:46.38 | haste | mail isn't |
| 01:47.13 | Mike-N-Go | Cool. |
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| 02:37.32 | Tuller | bleh, this guy doesn't wanna spawn |
| 02:37.54 | Thrae | Get him in the mood...roses maybe? |
| 02:38.23 | Tuller | hah |
| 02:42.56 | cladhaire | is anyone here good at graphics, or logos, icons? |
| 02:43.02 | cladhaire | or even mediocre? |
| 02:43.11 | VoidRaider | Depends what you need |
| 02:44.16 | cladhaire | I need a basic icon with a packet of Equal, a packet of Sugar, a packet of Splenda |
| 02:44.35 | cladhaire | site's name if Artificial Truth |
| 02:44.44 | VoidRaider | hmm |
| 02:44.45 | cladhaire | need a favicon.ico and a top icon that I can add text to. |
| 02:44.56 | VoidRaider | ahh |
| 02:44.58 | cladhaire | and I suxor at making things.. design i dont suck at.. but the execution sucks =) |
| 02:45.10 | VoidRaider | haha :P |
| 02:46.06 | VoidRaider | I'm better in editing then making things from scratch :P |
| 02:52.19 | VoidRaider | Hmm when does Flexbar 2 future to be released ? any chance someone knows that :) |
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| 02:54.29 | VoidRaider | Nothing on their website :/ |
| 02:54.53 | Tuller | there's files for it on the wowace svn, but I don't know when a release release will happen |
| 02:55.10 | VoidRaider | ahh |
| 02:57.07 | VoidRaider | yeah well I guess it will take time, everything from scrach :// |
| 02:57.15 | VoidRaider | scratch* |
| 02:58.27 | Tuller | you could say that :) |
| 02:58.33 | VoidRaider | :D |
| 03:02.16 | VoidRaider | Is there any attribute on the TOC I can specify Dependency for a specific addon version ? might worth a suggestion ? |
| 03:03.43 | ckknight | VoidRaider, sorry, no, unless the number is in the addon's name |
| 03:03.47 | ckknight | such as MobInfo2 |
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| 03:50.28 | [Wobin] | What is the toc number for TBC? |
| 03:51.17 | Gngsk | 20000? |
| 03:51.51 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 03:52.16 | [Wobin] | ta =) |
| 03:52.47 | Cairenn | (since they have standardized it) it's always 00.00.00 (main, major, minor) |
| 03:54.40 | jaxdahl | not uhh |
| 03:54.49 | jaxdahl | 200100? |
| 03:54.55 | jaxdahl | or 200200? |
| 03:55.08 | jaxdahl | er |
| 03:55.18 | jaxdahl | <@Cairenn> (since they have standardized it) it's always 00.00.00 (main, major, minor) |
| 03:55.26 | jaxdahl | 0.00.00 (main, major, minor) |
| 03:55.27 | Cide | they only update the toc if the changes made warrant it |
| 03:55.32 | Cairenn | sorry, yeah |
| 03:55.35 | jaxdahl | so 20200 for tbc |
| 03:55.38 | Cairenn | extra 0 in there |
| 03:55.39 | Cide | 20000 |
| 03:55.45 | Cairenn | nope, not 20200 |
| 03:55.49 | jaxdahl | hm ok |
| 03:55.56 | Cide | like I said, they only update the toc if the changes made warrant it |
| 03:56.01 | jaxdahl | ptr is 20000? |
| 03:56.05 | Cide | *when* they do, however, they use that scheme |
| 03:56.22 | Cide | yes, as far as I know |
| 04:08.38 | Mike-N-Go | Any ideas what this means, "Interface\AddOns\AuctioneerUI.lua:132: attempt to index global 'frame' (a nil value)" |
| 04:09.21 | blix_afk | on line 132 of AuctioneerUI.lua, it's trying to reference a something called 'frame' that doesn't exsist |
| 04:12.15 | Tem | hmm, is anyone able to view www.warcraftmovies.com? |
| 04:12.32 | Kaso | nop |
| 04:12.41 | Tem | mm good |
| 04:12.45 | Kaso | been down for awhile |
| 04:12.50 | Tem | oh? |
| 04:12.58 | Tem | there a reason for that? |
| 04:13.14 | Kaso | no idea, just know i havent been able to get on it most of the day |
| 04:13.30 | Tem | oh |
| 04:13.31 | Tem | ok |
| 04:13.54 | VoidRaider | Mybe they are migrating to a new servers or something ? |
| 04:14.01 | VoidRaider | to new servers* |
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| 04:15.06 | blixem | Anyone familiar with Trinity Buttons? |
| 04:15.18 | Grem | I need to create a 'grid' |
| 04:15.35 | Grem | A grid im guessing would be tons and tons of textures, or tons and tons of frames |
| 04:16.01 | Grem | I need to know if that could cause lag |
| 04:16.03 | Grem | Etc |
| 04:16.27 | blixem | Grem: what are you trying to do? |
| 04:16.32 | Grem | Make a big grid |
| 04:16.42 | blixem | where? |
| 04:16.46 | blixem | for what purpose? |
| 04:16.47 | Grem | On a frame |
| 04:16.52 | Grem | For my mod |
| 04:17.03 | Grem | So a grid, like 20x20, would have like 400 frames |
| 04:17.06 | Grem | Would that cause lag? |
| 04:17.27 | blixem | you need that many frames? or just a 'grid' look |
| 04:18.20 | Grem | I need a grid look |
| 04:18.24 | Grem | but the ability to color the grids |
| 04:18.36 | Grem | There's a tetris mod out there somewhere, I think that accomplishes a 'grid' with colored squares |
| 04:18.41 | Grem | I just need to know the best way to do it |
| 04:18.43 | Grem | frames or textures |
| 04:18.50 | Esamynn | you really only need textures for each "pixel" |
| 04:18.58 | Grem | Yeah |
| 04:18.59 | blixem | textures would be my guess, and |
| 04:19.01 | Esamynn | unless you want them to be clickable |
| 04:19.05 | blixem | yeah esa filled in the rest |
| 04:20.17 | [Wobin] | You could... um... look at Grid for inspiration =) |
| 04:20.22 | Grem | They need to be clickable, yeah |
| 04:20.24 | Grem | So I assume I need frames |
| 04:20.26 | Grem | with textures on top |
| 04:20.31 | Esamynn | yes, use frames then |
| 04:20.43 | Grem | How many frames with textures can I have before I start having performance issues? =) |
| 04:20.48 | Esamynn | or if you just need solid colours you could use the frames' backgrounds |
| 04:20.55 | Grem | Yeah |
| 04:21.07 | [Wobin] | W0tcher! |
| 04:21.12 | [Wobin] | >< |
| 04:21.16 | jaxdahl | Grem, my guess is tens of thousands |
| 04:21.28 | Esamynn | depends on teh computer, but yah |
| 04:22.02 | Esamynn | it takes fewer to cause issues if you are changing them constantly (as in many times a second) |
| 04:22.25 | Grem | Gotcha |
| 04:23.02 | Esamynn | frames by themselves aren't really a grain on the graphics engine because without a background or a texture they're invisible anyways |
| 04:23.09 | Esamynn | s/grain/drain/ |
| 04:25.52 | blixem | Grem: Here's a mod that has a grid you may be able to use as an example |
| 04:25.55 | blixem | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5772-Grid_%28TBC%29.html |
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| 04:28.29 | Kaso | wtf |
| 04:28.35 | Kaso | how does anyone understand that |
| 04:29.40 | blixem | no clue |
| 04:30.05 | blixem | just remebered it when wobin mentioned it |
| 04:30.42 | Kaso | that picture is just randomness to me |
| 04:34.19 | cladhaire | Kaso: But f you learn it |
| 04:34.25 | cladhaire | you can fly through it |
| 04:34.25 | blixem | anyone know of any nice unit frame replacements working with tbc yet? I know all about the category on wowinterface, I just am tired of leafing through pages trying to find one. |
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| 04:35.25 | Kaso | i guess |
| 04:35.29 | cladhaire | there's only 8 pages.. |
| 04:35.31 | Kaso | its just so ^_- |
| 04:35.41 | cladhaire | aguf |
| 04:35.42 | blixem | cladhaire: =P yeah I know |
| 04:35.43 | cladhaire | page 2 |
| 04:35.46 | cladhaire | stop being lazy |
| 04:36.19 | blixem | what on page 2? |
| 04:36.19 | Kodewulf | blixem: aguf ==> http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5468-ag_UnitFrames.html |
| 04:36.28 | cladhaire | *sigh* |
| 04:36.28 | cladhaire | =) |
| 04:36.29 | Kaso | Aguf is the best one for tbc imo |
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| 04:36.57 | Kodewulf | lol |
| 04:37.23 | blixem | sigh |
| 04:37.31 | blixem | I swear I didn't see this one |
| 04:37.37 | cladhaire | hehe |
| 04:37.42 | cladhaire | it even says "UnitFrames" =) |
| 04:37.47 | blixem | I know |
| 04:37.51 | blixem | I need mroe tea |
| 04:38.03 | blixem | s/mroe/more/ |
| 04:38.12 | blixem | thanks purl |
| 04:38.15 | blixem | purl thanks |
| 04:38.15 | purl | blixem: no problem |
| 04:38.37 | Neebler | purl is a facist |
| 04:39.18 | [Wobin] | omg yay |
| 04:39.26 | [Wobin] | MrPlow appears to sort/etc now on TBC |
| 04:39.48 | ckknight | fascist |
| 04:39.52 | [Wobin] | I need someone with a bigger inventory |
| 04:40.15 | cladhaire | i can test if you need Wobin |
| 04:40.21 | blixem | how big wobin? |
| 04:40.44 | blixem | unit frames and bag mod was my two projects tonight |
| 04:40.51 | [Wobin] | well, enough to try sorting with MrPlow and to be worthwhile =) |
| 04:40.57 | [Wobin] | My newbie shammy doesn't have enough stuff |
| 04:40.59 | blixem | so if you need help |
| 04:41.09 | blixem | I've got a couple 60's xfered over |
| 04:41.11 | [Wobin] | kk, updating the repo |
| 04:44.34 | [Wobin] | Grab the latest version from either the SVN, or from files, Clad/Blix? |
| 04:44.49 | cladhaire | [Wobin]: okay |
| 04:44.53 | [Wobin] | Thank you =) |
| 04:45.00 | cladhaire | in trunk? |
| 04:45.03 | [Wobin] | sye |
| 04:45.05 | [Wobin] | aye |
| 04:45.13 | [Wobin] | <3 backward compat trick |
| 04:45.25 | blixem | svn url? |
| 04:45.39 | cladhaire | http://svn.wowace.com/wowace/trunk/MrPlow/ |
| 04:45.45 | blixem | roger |
| 04:48.00 | cladhaire | Wobin: toc needs to be changed |
| 04:48.08 | [Wobin] | for version? |
| 04:48.17 | blixem | blah |
| 04:48.22 | blixem | beat me to it ;) |
| 04:48.25 | cladhaire | 20000 |
| 04:48.28 | cladhaire | won't work with BC if its now. |
| 04:48.29 | cladhaire | not |
| 04:48.41 | [Wobin] | aye, I'm keeping it as it is, for the moment, so people on nontbc can use it |
| 04:48.49 | [Wobin] | if you could just edit the toc for testing =) |
| 04:48.53 | cladhaire | i am |
| 04:49.00 | cladhaire | but the ace2 libraries are different between tbc and non |
| 04:49.00 | cladhaire | so |
| 04:49.21 | cladhaire | but it seems to work just fine |
| 04:50.05 | [Wobin] | aye |
| 04:50.11 | cladhaire | i forget hwo much i need this on my bank toons =) |
| 04:50.18 | [Wobin] | Just need to check that it sorts properly |
| 04:50.30 | cladhaire | define properly =) |
| 04:50.41 | cladhaire | its always been a mystery for me. |
| 04:51.25 | [Wobin] | heheh, does it actually sort in a ... categorisable way =) ie, weapons/armour first then everything in groups? |
| 04:51.35 | cladhaire | .. kinda |
| 04:51.36 | cladhaire | heh |
| 04:51.57 | cladhaire | like i have my leather, a quest item, some WSG tokens, my mount, and wildvine |
| 04:51.59 | cladhaire | in one bag |
| 04:52.56 | cladhaire | let me try my druid |
| 04:53.17 | blixem | laf, mrplow is going to town on my bags... |
| 04:53.26 | blixem | I never kept them sorted |
| 04:54.04 | blixem | mm, what's the default sort type Wobin? looks fairly scattered to me still |
| 04:54.41 | [Wobin] | armour, weapons, quest, key recipe reagent tradegoods consumable container quiver misc and projectile |
| 04:54.57 | blixem | nope |
| 04:54.59 | cladhaire | i'm posting my inventory |
| 04:55.03 | cladhaire | i'll show you where it ended up |
| 04:55.10 | cladhaire | http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/9995/picture1fe6.png |
| 04:55.47 | [Wobin] | hum, that's a bit scattered =\ |
| 04:56.04 | blixem | yeah mines about that bad, need/want a shot from me too? |
| 04:56.17 | [Wobin] | if you could =) |
| 04:56.25 | [Wobin] | I need to copy across a character |
| 04:56.31 | blixem | lemme log druid, and I'll do a before/after |
| 05:00.39 | [Wobin] | oh noes |
| 05:00.54 | [Wobin] | Shalfurne, my 60 hunter has been found in violation of the naming rules |
| 05:01.00 | [Wobin] | Damn you random name generator! |
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| 05:01.12 | blixem | lol |
| 05:01.21 | cladhaire | nope |
| 05:01.22 | [Wobin] | aha |
| 05:01.28 | cladhaire | any char that gets copied over has to change its name |
| 05:01.28 | [Wobin] | And Wobin is perfectly acceptable |
| 05:05.12 | blixem | BEFORE: http://img213.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wowscrnshot112406235826nh5.jpg |
| 05:05.16 | blixem | AFTER: http://img97.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wowscrnshot112506000006rf3.jpg |
| 05:05.21 | blixem | try those Wobin |
| 05:05.27 | [Wobin] | Thank you =) |
| 05:07.20 | [Wobin] | oh bah |
| 05:07.21 | [Wobin] | It's sorting alphabetically now |
| 05:07.29 | cladhaire | lol |
| 05:07.58 | blixem | in reverse bag order even :) |
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| 05:08.01 | [Wobin] | oh wait |
| 05:08.13 | [Wobin] | GetContainerItemInfo changed arguments, didn't it? |
| 05:08.16 | [Wobin] | or something like that |
| 05:08.23 | cladhaire | lol |
| 05:14.44 | [Wobin] | aha! |
| 05:14.48 | [Wobin] | GetItemInfo =P |
| 05:14.53 | [Wobin] | with the extra level argument =P |
| 05:15.43 | Tuller | its right before itemLevel |
| 05:15.53 | Tuller | the links are way longer now, too |
| 05:16.08 | Tuller | but you can use GetContainerItemInfo directly |
| 05:16.15 | Tuller | well getcontaineritemlink |
| 05:16.16 | Kaso | also the random suffix ID can be negative now |
| 05:16.25 | blixem | love you all, aguf is teh r0xx0r so far. |
| 05:16.45 | blixem | I just gave you all the l33t speek I can offer for the next week. |
| 05:17.50 | [Wobin] | kk, Clad, Blix, grab the latest version? |
| 05:17.59 | [Wobin] | It'll sort appropriately now, I believe =) |
| 05:18.10 | cladhaire | okay, it'll take a moment. |
| 05:18.18 | [Wobin] | take your time =) |
| 05:18.19 | blixem | snagging it now |
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| 05:20.03 | blixem | mmm closer |
| 05:20.09 | Kaelten | hi guys |
| 05:20.10 | blixem | weapons/armor look sorted right |
| 05:20.42 | [Wobin] | Use 'TheWorks' |
| 05:20.47 | blixem | kk |
| 05:20.52 | [Wobin] | to have it move everything |
| 05:21.24 | cladhaire | Okay.. not it makes a bit more sense. |
| 05:21.27 | cladhaire | weapons are together |
| 05:21.28 | cladhaire | armor |
| 05:21.31 | cladhaire | consumables |
| 05:21.57 | blixem | mmm 2 pots in one bag, 1 in another. poisons all in one bag, except for one |
| 05:22.17 | blixem | felcloth and neatherweave in seperate bags |
| 05:25.05 | [Wobin] | ah, I know why =\ |
| 05:25.14 | [Wobin] | PEriodicTable doesn't have any of the new itemids |
| 05:25.31 | [Wobin] | oh, and Blixem, it's treating all your bags as a single large bag |
| 05:25.45 | [Wobin] | that's why it appears to split them up |
| 05:26.00 | [Wobin] | I think Bagnon is tbc compatible |
| 05:26.06 | blixem | mmm, would make sense if they were close to each other |
| 05:27.09 | blixem | http://img294.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wowscrnshot112506002526yv1.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/4517/wowscrnshot112506002526yv1.th.jpg |
| 05:27.13 | blixem | ugh |
| 05:27.15 | blixem | sorry |
| 05:27.19 | VoidRaider | Guys, is there any addon available for the BC that gives the GC status, memory, events information and loading time ? |
| 05:27.23 | blixem | http://img294.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wowscrnshot112506002526yv1.jpg |
| 05:27.50 | blixem | [Wobin]: that's after 'theworks' |
| 05:28.24 | ckknight | VoidRaider, PerformanceFu will give memory and cpu usage... |
| 05:28.31 | ckknight | not event information, though. |
| 05:28.40 | ckknight | that's easy to rig up, though |
| 05:28.45 | [Wobin] | blixem: hm, that's pretty much right |
| 05:28.52 | VoidRaider | Where can I get FuBar then mate ? |
| 05:29.06 | VoidRaider | I haven't installed it yet |
| 05:29.13 | [Wobin] | We just need to get more of the new itemIDs into PeriodicTable |
| 05:29.15 | ckknight | well, you'll need the TBC branch of PerformacneFu and such |
| 05:29.31 | VoidRaider | Can you redirect me ? :/ |
| 05:31.19 | blixem | [Wobin]: the elixir of greater agility and the other two pots are no where near each other, the id's change maybe? |
| 05:31.35 | [Wobin] | hm |
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| 05:32.08 | [Wobin] | What is they yellow pot? |
| 05:32.11 | ckknight_ | gah. |
| 05:32.19 | blixem | Elixir of Giants |
| 05:32.31 | ckknight_ | VoidRaider, http://wowace.com/files/index.php?path=FuBar/ |
| 05:32.46 | VoidRaider | haha thank you :) |
| 05:33.50 | ckknight_ | http://wowace.com/files/index.php?path=FuBar_PerformanceFu/ |
| 05:34.00 | ckknight_ | make sure to get r14347-TBC |
| 05:34.18 | VoidRaider | ah ok thx mate :) |
| 05:34.43 | ckknight | :-) |
| 05:34.51 | VoidRaider | :D |
| 05:34.53 | ckknight | one very important note: |
| 05:35.00 | ckknight | http://wowace.com/files/index.php?path=Ace2/ |
| 05:35.10 | ckknight | you _need_ the standalone Ace2 TBC addon |
| 05:35.25 | VoidRaider | oh ok :P |
| 05:35.26 | ckknight | it won't work quite right without it |
| 05:35.37 | VoidRaider | I'll get it then :) |
| 05:35.44 | ckknight | if you want all events to be printed to the console, here's a handy script: |
| 05:35.46 | ckknight | AceLibrary("AceEvent-2.0"):RegisterAllEvents(function(...) AceLibrary("AceConsole-2.0"):PrintComma(AceLibrary("AceEvent-2.0").currentEvent, ...) end) |
| 05:36.09 | VoidRaider | ahh great :) |
| 05:36.24 | ckknight | :-) |
| 05:36.32 | VoidRaider | Thanks :) |
| 05:36.35 | ckknight | AceLibrary("AceEvent-2.0"):RegisterAllEvents(function(...) AceLibrary("AceConsole-2.0"):PrintComma(GetTime(), AceLibrary("AceEvent-2.0").currentEvent, ...) end) |
| 05:36.39 | ckknight | that may suit you better |
| 05:36.43 | ckknight | (added GetTime()) |
| 05:37.19 | VoidRaider | yeah I have a function I built for it though already, I just thought there's one addon that do it all :P |
| 05:38.52 | [Wobin] | hm |
| 05:39.00 | [Wobin] | any good tbc addon that can show the itemid? |
| 05:39.11 | ckknight | can't TinyTip? |
| 05:39.16 | [Wobin] | I'll check |
| 05:41.47 | VoidRaider | There's more Ace frameworks then Java frameworks haha which one you said again standalone Ace2 TBC addon ? where is it lol |
| 05:42.26 | VoidRaider | I'm getting lost quite easily there :P |
| 05:42.45 | Kirkburn | http://wowace.com/files/index.php?path=Ace2/ |
| 05:42.54 | VoidRaider | Thanks haha |
| 05:43.03 | Kirkburn | Get the TBC version (18029) |
| 05:43.27 | VoidRaider | oh yeah well I was there I just don't know which one to download :P |
| 05:43.46 | VoidRaider | ok :P |
| 05:43.46 | VoidRaider | thx |
| 05:43.53 | [Wobin] | appears not |
| 05:43.58 | [Wobin] | on the itemid =( |
| 05:44.03 | Kirkburn | (this is the list of most Ace addons - http://wowace.com/files/index.php) |
| 05:46.19 | ckknight | anybody know some good techno/trance music that I might like? |
| 05:47.42 | VoidRaider | Yeah I know, the thing is that there is so much of them there I'm getting lost, I think that they should add a comment field next to each file, it will be handy :) |
| 05:48.11 | ckknight | VoidRaider, well, what're you looking for? |
| 05:48.21 | VoidRaider | ah I already got it mate :) |
| 05:48.39 | VoidRaider | kirk helped me :P |
| 05:48.44 | ckknight | alright |
| 05:49.17 | ckknight | test out Cartographer ;-) |
| 05:49.32 | VoidRaider | :) |
| 05:49.33 | Thunder_Child | ckknight, try scooter |
| 05:49.39 | ckknight | scooter? |
| 05:49.41 | Thunder_Child | for the music question |
| 05:49.42 | ckknight | what's that? |
| 05:49.43 | ckknight | ah |
| 05:49.44 | ckknight | okay |
| 05:49.47 | ckknight | will do |
| 05:50.11 | VoidRaider | Infected Mushroom :) |
| 05:50.21 | ckknight | oh yea |
| 05:50.27 | ckknight | all my techno's on my other computer |
| 05:50.31 | ckknight | and I forget the names |
| 05:50.38 | VoidRaider | :D |
| 05:51.10 | VoidRaider | Solar Twins - Rock The Casbah.mp3 < rocks lol |
| 05:53.43 | Thunder_Child | and theres always Happy Hardcore |
| 05:53.54 | VoidRaider | :P |
| 05:54.12 | VoidRaider | Well I don't care as long as it's music, I love music :) |
| 05:54.18 | Thunder_Child | opera |
| 05:54.31 | VoidRaider | I hear everything :P |
| 05:54.44 | Thunder_Child | better man tna i am then, i cant |
| 05:54.52 | Thunder_Child | then* |
| 05:55.06 | Thunder_Child | ....er....bad english |
| 05:55.34 | ckknight | I typically like mellow music or techno |
| 05:55.39 | VoidRaider | Well there is one style I hate :P |
| 05:55.45 | Thunder_Child | Enya FTW! |
| 05:55.50 | VoidRaider | haha :P |
| 05:55.57 | ckknight | not really Enya |
| 05:56.07 | zenzelezz | the thing I hate about music is that I'm utterly horrible with genres |
| 05:56.22 | ckknight | more like um... Iron & Wine |
| 05:57.00 | Thunder_Child | never heard of them |
| 05:57.21 | VoidRaider | I hate oriental music I think it's unique to israel :) |
| 05:57.23 | ckknight | oh, I love them |
| 05:57.51 | ckknight | it's like super-mellow |
| 05:58.45 | VoidRaider | all it does is making you pretty much depressed lol |
| 05:59.09 | blixem | Anyone used Trinity Buttons |
| 05:59.38 | VoidRaider | Anyway israel sucks :P |
| 05:59.51 | Cairenn | EXCUSE me? |
| 06:00.11 | VoidRaider | I'm from israel thats my opinion haha |
| 06:00.21 | ckknight | VoidRaider, doesn't make me depressed, the songs are happy |
| 06:00.36 | ckknight | like, about having sex with a black chick, that's a nice, happy song |
| 06:00.40 | ckknight | despite it being really mellow |
| 06:00.53 | VoidRaider | haha :) |
| 06:00.54 | zenzelezz | on the other hand, I like "depressing" music... somehow they cheer me up |
| 06:01.22 | ckknight | you know what's depressing? watch 2 seasons of Law & Order: SVU in a row. |
| 06:01.32 | VoidRaider | :P |
| 06:02.14 | VoidRaider | ckknight the song I gave you isn't depressing I meant to oriental music :P |
| 06:02.38 | Thunder_Child | is there a mod that keeps track of who you heal and how much? |
| 06:03.40 | VoidRaider | BTW what do you think about IE7 ? |
| 06:03.54 | Thunder_Child | tabs nice...lag bad |
| 06:04.06 | zenzelezz | a step in the nice direction, but still no Firefox/Opera |
| 06:04.44 | VoidRaider | after 18 months of development they fixed few loopholes and add these tabs shame imo |
| 06:05.21 | VoidRaider | 5 years with the same engine of IE4 haha :P |
| 06:05.39 | VoidRaider | Firefox rocks |
| 06:05.50 | zenzelezz | the trouble is the under-the-hood work, which is hard to spot without the code |
| 06:06.07 | zenzelezz | now don't get me wrong, I'm no IE fan, but they are improving ;) |
| 06:06.47 | VoidRaider | yeah well, I was an IE fan but I stopped last year :) |
| 06:07.46 | ckknight | IE7 was creepily laggy |
| 06:08.45 | Thunder_Child | yea :( |
| 06:08.47 | VoidRaider | As well as it fits XHTML 1.0 and 1.1 perfectly in the other hand IE6 and IE7 can be quite painful to work with :( |
| 06:11.14 | VoidRaider | IE7 has some security features that functions only under vista, I mean what the heck ... :// |
| 06:11.51 | VoidRaider | M$ :) |
| 06:15.44 | blixem | gotta sleep, up with the kids in the morn |
| 06:15.46 | blixem | night all |
| 06:16.08 | VoidRaider | night |
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| 06:30.18 | VoidRaider | FuBar is great I think I'll move, how do I plug my addons to it ? :) |
| 06:30.58 | Thunder_Child | i think you have to open them up and code them |
| 06:31.12 | Thunder_Child | but ther are already qute a few that are for them |
| 06:31.19 | Thunder_Child | for it* |
| 06:31.52 | VoidRaider | what do you meean mate ? :D |
| 06:32.14 | VoidRaider | I mean my own addons sure I'll have to open them up haha |
| 06:32.39 | VoidRaider | Whats the API to plug it ? :) |
| 06:32.52 | VoidRaider | or it uses tables ? |
| 06:33.04 | Thunder_Child | well take a look at 2 of the ones that are mad for them, compare the code and use the common denomonator |
| 06:33.16 | VoidRaider | yup I'll do that |
| 06:33.17 | Thunder_Child | made* |
| 06:33.56 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?s=&id=4984 |
| 06:34.06 | Cairenn | if you're wanting to write your own |
| 06:34.21 | Thunder_Child | or you take the easy way and use Cairenn's option |
| 06:34.32 | VoidRaider | hahah :P |
| 06:34.36 | Kirkburn | Cop out :P |
| 06:34.48 | Cairenn | how so? it's a starting point |
| 06:34.54 | Thunder_Child | ...joke... |
| 06:34.55 | Cairenn | doesn't mean you have to use it |
| 06:35.01 | VoidRaider | Thanks Cairenn :) |
| 06:35.28 | Kirkburn | Reminds me, at some point I should have a look at that and see if I can comprehend it and learn something :) |
| 06:35.44 | Cairenn | welcome |
| 06:36.35 | Thunder_Child | informative list of things http://www.worldofraids.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=730 |
| 06:36.51 | Kirkburn | VoidRaider, the reason why some of the security features of IE7 only work under is because that's the only place they *can* |
| 06:37.09 | Kirkburn | Unless you would have preferred them to take another 6 months to recode XP, of course :) |
| 06:37.24 | VoidRaider | Yeah I knew that :) |
| 06:37.28 | Kirkburn | oops, missed out the word Vista :P |
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| 06:43.20 | VoidRaider | I understand the fact it's a whole new design and such, I heard on a new file allocation table that's unqiue to Vista, I don't know I'm pissed because I'm working in their environment and it's so expensive :( |
| 06:43.54 | Neuro_Medivh | I just don't like that Vista's primary upgrade involves Digital Rights Management |
| 06:44.09 | Kirkburn | Lol, just thinking, on PvP servers HFP is going to be crazy for the first week |
| 06:44.23 | Neuro_Medivh | first month |
| 06:44.29 | Neuro_Medivh | actually |
| 06:44.31 | Kirkburn | Year =) |
| 06:44.37 | Neuro_Medivh | I see it being crazy till next expansion |
| 06:44.50 | Neuro_Medivh | STV on crack |
| 06:44.52 | Kirkburn | Vista's primary upgrade is DRM? What on earth are you talking about? |
| 06:45.29 | Kirkburn | (No new FAT either) |
| 06:45.37 | VoidRaider | ah are you sure ? |
| 06:45.54 | Kirkburn | Well, it still runs on NTFS, yes |
| 06:48.13 | Neuro_Medivh | Kirkburn, can't find the article I saw about it, but it stated that the primary purpose of Vista was to improve security and improve DRM |
| 06:48.43 | VoidRaider | Yeah they built the Security sytem before they worked on the core of it |
| 06:48.44 | Neuro_Medivh | and MS doesn't have a great track record involving security |
| 06:49.02 | Kirkburn | Uh, yeah, wouldn't that be why they were improving it? |
| 06:49.27 | Neuro_Medivh | Every new system has been an "improvement" |
| 06:49.41 | Kirkburn | "Yeah they built the Security sytem before they worked on the core of it" <-- source? |
| 06:49.47 | VoidRaider | I think it mislead me to think they created a new file system a more secured one however NTFS does is job well :) |
| 06:49.56 | VoidRaider | One sec |
| 06:50.19 | Neuro_Medivh | Vista isn't built from the Singularity code, I'm sure |
| 06:50.31 | Neuro_Medivh | I think it's called Singularity |
| 06:50.32 | Kirkburn | The entire Vista project was restarted in 2004 |
| 06:51.17 | Neuro_Medivh | there's a special project at MS builting a 100% secure OS, using C# I think |
| 06:51.53 | Kirkburn | Sounds cool |
| 06:52.05 | Neuro_Medivh | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singularity_%28operating_system%29 |
| 06:54.01 | Neuro_Medivh | Whoops, I'm wrong.. when they mean secure, they are talking about cross-app contamination and crashing |
| 06:56.41 | Kirkburn | Well if anyone thinks that Vista 'isn't much different to XP' - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_Vista |
| 06:57.24 | zenzelezz | I'd rather have an MS link; but the OSes are of course different enough |
| 06:58.25 | Kirkburn | Would an MS link be more trustworthy? |
| 06:58.33 | zenzelezz | in my opinion, yes |
| 06:59.15 | Kirkburn | Not sure what's out there |
| 06:59.26 | Corr[home] | note the addition of several built-in DRM features |
| 06:59.31 | Kirkburn | Though not actually by MS, http://www.winsupersite.com/ is kinda close |
| 06:59.58 | Kirkburn | Corr[home], hasn't stopped me playing any of my music collection |
| 07:00.31 | Corr[home] | i don't think it's intended to... |
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| 07:01.13 | Kirkburn | I'm not a fan of it anyway, it'll likely only cause more people to get copies off the internet that aren't affected :/ |
| 07:01.49 | Kirkburn | The DRM section of that article is tiny compared to everything else, at least |
| 07:02.32 | Tem | As I understand it, Vista will force you to use DRM when you rip a CD |
| 07:03.18 | zenzelezz | I really don't understand what "activity percentile (last week)" means on SourceForge... projects that haven't seen activity in 4 years still get 80+ scores |
| 07:03.37 | Kirkburn | Tem, not that I've heard |
| 07:03.56 | Tem | ah, ok |
| 07:03.59 | Kirkburn | Nope, it doesn;t :) |
| 07:04.17 | Kirkburn | Just checked my copy on WMP11, you can untick 'Copy protect music' :) |
| 07:06.16 | Corr[home] | trying to make these charts with openoffice appears to be hopeless. it just doesn't have enough control. |
| 07:06.56 | Corr[home] | i'll have to hope i can convert this paper to a Word document later without screwing it up too much so i can pop in some decent charts. |
| 07:07.42 | Kirkburn | One I've been seriously impressed with is Office 2007 |
| 07:07.47 | Kirkburn | *one thing |
| 07:08.46 | Kirkburn | They're licensing out the UI style for free (but obviously with the restriction that whatever uses it cannot compete with Word Excel or Powerpoint .... anything else goes) |
| 07:09.30 | Kirkburn | It'll be really cool if other apps start taking up the ribbon, it's excellent :) |
| 07:10.06 | Corr[home] | did they try to restrict the "office style" before? |
| 07:11.57 | Kirkburn | What do you mean? There was no office style before, tbh, it was just standard windows toolbars |
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| 07:13.21 | VoidRaider | well it seems that Symantec found some holes in the kernel of Vista haha |
| 07:13.34 | VoidRaider | http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2001381,00.asp |
| 07:13.36 | Kirkburn | Symantec forced holes to be created |
| 07:13.53 | Corr[home] | eh? i distinctly remember that the later versions of office had an interesting style of its dropdown menus and such |
| 07:13.58 | Kirkburn | Oh well done, link to an article from AUGUST when Vista was in beta |
| 07:14.37 | Kirkburn | Corr[home], the odd way they cut out options you didn't use? That was god-awful, and the team fortunately realised that quickly :P |
| 07:14.38 | VoidRaider | Still I believe there is nothing prevents a cracker to posion the kernel |
| 07:14.45 | VoidRaider | poison* |
| 07:15.13 | Corr[home] | i refer rather to the visual style of the... "menus", that's what i meant, not dropdown anything |
| 07:15.17 | Corr[home] | context menus and toolbar menus |
| 07:15.38 | VoidRaider | It doesn't matter, if something is accusable in one way it can be exploitable somehow |
| 07:15.45 | Kirkburn | Corr[home], afaik there were no restrictions before |
| 07:15.47 | Corr[home] | in application designers and theme choosers for programs, it was referred to as the "office style" |
| 07:15.52 | VoidRaider | accusable* |
| 07:16.03 | zenzelezz | Corr[home]: wasn't that just "flat" menus,? |
| 07:16.08 | Corr[home] | could be |
| 07:16.12 | VoidRaider | bah |
| 07:16.23 | Corr[home] | as far as i can tell, all my menus are flat, though |
| 07:16.24 | VoidRaider | accessible* |
| 07:16.45 | Kirkburn | VoidRaider, MS wanted to lock down the kernel completely, but companies like Symantec forced them to provide ways of access |
| 07:17.19 | Industrial | Does anyone play on US/Dethecus? |
| 07:17.20 | Kirkburn | Don't go blaming MS for anti-virus' companies incompetence and profiteering |
| 07:18.15 | VoidRaider | So you believe the kernel can actually be locked permanently ? |
| 07:18.27 | Corr[home] | symantec "forced" them? |
| 07:22.20 | VoidRaider | kirk do you buy your Anti-Virus or your OS ? |
| 07:23.14 | Kirkburn | I buy my OS and get my anti-virus from the Uni |
| 07:23.32 | Thunder_Child | while the ability for symantec to access the kernal means that viruses cant shut it down, it also means that Icant shut it down |
| 07:23.33 | Kirkburn | (so a business style version, not an overloaded consumer version) |
| 07:23.49 | Kirkburn | Corr[home], yes, via the threat of lawsuits |
| 07:23.49 | VoidRaider | oh :) |
| 07:24.42 | Kirkburn | Corr[home], , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Development_of_Windows_Vista#RC2 |
| 07:26.11 | Kirkburn | Strangely enough, not all anti-virus companies had a problem with it |
| 07:26.23 | Corr[home] | i don't suppose they're opening it up to visual styles without cracking a dll first, or buying StyleVista or whatever stardock produces? |
| 07:26.30 | Kirkburn | Windowblinds |
| 07:26.47 | Corr[home] | is that an answer to the question? |
| 07:27.06 | Kirkburn | Well it was an answer to the last part :P |
| 07:27.12 | Kirkburn | Not sure on the first part |
| 07:27.16 | VoidRaider | exactly, you can't just lock it without getting any access to it, there must be always a bridge between the none safe and safe blocks |
| 07:27.27 | Corr[home] | oh, yeah. thanks |
| 07:28.20 | w00tz | hey if i had a TargetUnit("mouseover"); how can I return the target's name? |
| 07:28.21 | Corr[home] | individual shadow folders sounds useful |
| 07:28.51 | Kirkburn | I can't find articles about Vista themes that aren't about making XP look like Vista :/ |
| 07:29.25 | VoidRaider | :P |
| 07:29.30 | ckknight | UnitName("target") |
| 07:29.42 | Corr[home] | "The address bar has been modified to present a breadcrumbs view, which shows the entire path to the current location. Clicking any location in the path hierarchy will take the user to that level and allows re-navigation from there, instead of repeatedly pressing the Back button." sounds oddly like you can't edit the bar like text any more? |
| 07:30.02 | w00tz | yep thanks ckknight just figurdi tout :P |
| 07:30.15 | Thunder_Child | i think you still can corr, or at least you could in the betas |
| 07:30.22 | VoidRaider | Bah I'll stay with XP haha :) |
| 07:30.24 | Corr[home] | oh, the end of the paragraph makes an attempt to describe how you can edit the path like text |
| 07:30.28 | Kirkburn | The address bar change is awesome |
| 07:30.49 | Kirkburn | Yeah, you can still edit it, iirc |
| 07:31.14 | Kirkburn | If you click on a region to edit it, it converts back into plain text |
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| 07:32.03 | Kirkburn | People complained about the lack of an [Up] button, but I've learnt to live without it |
| 07:32.15 | Corr[home] | stacks, don't care; metadata, don't care; "Windows Vista will feature a search engine that uses indexing to allow for instant display of results for a given search" (weren't we already SUPPOSED to have this in XP?), sounds fun |
| 07:32.27 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 07:32.40 | Kirkburn | It's faster, but they've also made it so you can save searches |
| 07:32.54 | Kirkburn | Vista keeps those saves searches up to date, too |
| 07:32.56 | Tem | Kirkburn, I miss the up button |
| 07:33.06 | Kirkburn | It's odd without it, isn't it |
| 07:33.11 | Tem | *nod* |
| 07:33.20 | Tem | I'm sure I'll get used to it eventually |
| 07:33.31 | Tem | but for the moment, not having it bothers me |
| 07:33.35 | Corr[home] | this article could use a little editing for clarity |
| 07:34.44 | VoidRaider | yeah we have it in XP |
| 07:34.48 | VoidRaider | lol :P |
| 07:34.56 | Corr[home] | we have something that ... doesn't actually work |
| 07:35.27 | VoidRaider | oh well never used it, I actually don't use the built in search :P |
| 07:35.55 | Corr[home] | sidebar gadgets, already have that from competing products; email, blah; Calendar "supports the popular iCalendar format" which i've never heard of, maybe i could use a calendar; |
| 07:35.56 | VoidRaider | I use total commander :P |
| 07:37.19 | Corr[home] | photo gallery, competing product; fax and scan, people still use faxes? i think any scanner has software with which to scan, but shouldn't that be your image editor's job, not your OS's job?; |
| 07:37.33 | VoidRaider | lol |
| 07:38.20 | zenzelezz | actually, I'd say scanning should be up to the driver; since different types of programs (not just image editors) can use them |
| 07:38.32 | Corr[home] | dvd maker doesn't thrill me. i'd prefer a decent interface for making data CD's and DVD's. |
| 07:38.44 | VoidRaider | No worries by the end of 2010 the OS would do your houseclean and whatever not :) |
| 07:39.09 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 07:39.14 | Corr[home] | meeting space: finally. god. took long enough. |
| 07:39.22 | Kirkburn | Not if Hoover had anything to say about it =) |
| 07:39.25 | zenzelezz | meeting space? o_O |
| 07:39.34 | Corr[home] | updated netmeeting |
| 07:39.45 | zenzelezz | I vaguely recall that name from somewhere |
| 07:39.56 | zenzelezz | Win98 installer? |
| 07:40.11 | Corr[home] | it's some old school stuff, from before firewalls became common |
| 07:40.13 | Kirkburn | Phone companies should start suing MS because people can use Windows to make phone calls, cause, like, that's baaaaad for business :O |
| 07:40.32 | VoidRaider | true :P |
| 07:40.56 | zenzelezz | I remember how the Microsoft Network was a great success back in Win95 :-p |
| 07:41.13 | Kirkburn | No Windows Messenger in Vista btw |
| 07:41.20 | VoidRaider | ah ? |
| 07:41.26 | VoidRaider | what do you mean haha |
| 07:41.27 | Corr[home] | "Windows Vista also includes a p2p messenger" |
| 07:41.33 | VoidRaider | oh |
| 07:41.34 | VoidRaider | lol |
| 07:41.37 | Kirkburn | Something that doesn't disappoint me, as everyone uses MSN Messenger anyway |
| 07:41.45 | Kirkburn | wha? |
| 07:41.54 | Corr[home] | that's the last sentence in the meeting space line |
| 07:42.13 | Kirkburn | Uh well it certainly doesn't have messenger, so it must be something else |
| 07:42.26 | Corr[home] | i note that they'll probably manage to lock down updates and addon software enough that, if i want to use Vista, i'll have to pay for all four copies of it |
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| 07:42.53 | Corr[home] | doesn't really sound exciting for my wallet. i'm one guy. |
| 07:42.54 | zenzelezz | if it's P2P messenger it might be a spin-off of KaZaA.... something like Wazzah!? Messenger |
| 07:42.57 | VoidRaider | I hope it supports the messenger protocol or something |
| 07:43.12 | Corr[home] | it will support... "microsoft format" :) |
| 07:43.17 | VoidRaider | lol |
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| 07:43.31 | Kirkburn | As unfortunate as that sounds, it's not like buying one bike suddenly allows you to have 3 others for free. But yes, expensive |
| 07:43.33 | zenzelezz | how I miss the days of ICQ98 |
| 07:44.23 | Corr[home] | the difference here is that i've got several machines. there is a physical reason to have to buy separate pieces of hardware, but no physical reason to buy multiple copies of software. it's entirely metaphysical. |
| 07:44.30 | zenzelezz | I don't recall my dad's mobile phone number, but I do remember my ICQ UIN, which I haven't used for years upon years |
| 07:44.32 | Kirkburn | MS' formats are very much open for everyone to use these days (though not open source) |
| 07:44.58 | Corr[home] | it's obvious enough that microsoft would never use someone else's format for something. they'll make a new one and graciously let everyone else use it. |
| 07:44.58 | VoidRaider | So one who buyinh Vista and wants to communicate with his friend, M$ indirectly forces his friend to buy it too lol |
| 07:45.11 | VoidRaider | buying* |
| 07:45.13 | Kirkburn | No, not in any way at all |
| 07:45.55 | Corr[home] | task manager is getting an upgrade to a halfway stab at process explorer |
| 07:45.58 | Kirkburn | Corr[home], that is true to an extent, but that assumes the 'other' format was better in the first place |
| 07:46.11 | Kirkburn | Yup, task manager is much improved |
| 07:46.16 | Corr[home] | i never said anything about the quality. whether or not it's better, they wouldn't use it. |
| 07:47.03 | VoidRaider | Yeah they are self-centered lol |
| 07:47.07 | Kirkburn | That would be the same for most companies, but I know what you're saying |
| 07:47.29 | Kirkburn | It's called good business sense, even if not everyone likes it |
| 07:47.49 | Corr[home] | in some cases it's a great thing that a popular company forces disparate formats to dissipate in favor of one. |
| 07:47.52 | VoidRaider | yeah I call it self-centered and conquering |
| 07:47.52 | Corr[home] | IE, WMP, IIS, *skip skip skip* |
| 07:48.16 | Corr[home] | (well, i'm not skipping it, but a quick glance doesn't reveal anything enticing) |
| 07:48.19 | Kirkburn | IE is a format? |
| 07:48.25 | Kirkburn | Oh |
| 07:48.30 | Kirkburn | I see :P |
| 07:48.42 | VoidRaider | MSSQL ? |
| 07:48.45 | Corr[home] | well, on that subject, it pretty well was a format ; |
| 07:48.47 | VoidRaider | :D |
| 07:48.47 | Corr[home] | er, ;) |
| 07:49.11 | VoidRaider | VS :P |
| 07:49.21 | VoidRaider | too many products haha |
| 07:50.15 | Corr[home] | i hope some of these security features can be turned off... |
| 07:50.47 | w00tz | is there somethign similar to CHAT_MSG_COMBAT_CREATURE_VS_PARTY_HITS but for raids? |
| 07:51.02 | Corr[home] | i just might -want- to be able to fuck with processes running on my own machine |
| 07:51.21 | VoidRaider | I believe that whenever you would want to delete a file, it will ask you 10 million times are you sure ? |
| 07:52.44 | Corr[home] | these security features make the OS sound like a car on which you can't open the hood. i -really- hope they aren't mandatory. |
| 07:53.01 | VoidRaider | haha |
| 07:53.41 | cladhaire | night all |
| 07:53.48 | VoidRaider | night :) |
| 07:54.35 | Kirkburn | Corr[home], it's really not that restrictive |
| 07:54.45 | VoidRaider | Vista gonna be a failure just like the millenium was and their IE7 :P |
| 07:54.48 | Kirkburn | VoidRaider, yeah it does ask a bit too much, but on for protected folders |
| 07:55.05 | Kirkburn | Doesn't affect User folders, for example |
| 07:55.05 | VoidRaider | j / k :) |
| 07:55.37 | VoidRaider | Hmm do you have to run it under NTFS ? |
| 07:56.02 | Kirkburn | Yes |
| 07:56.03 | VoidRaider | more like must ? |
| 07:56.05 | VoidRaider | ahh |
| 07:56.14 | Kirkburn | Why would you want anything else?? |
| 07:56.51 | Corr[home] | well... think about this. ambitious little hackers have made it possible to change your visual style or number of TCP connections (the old sp2 hack), against the operating system's desires. those are examples of things that it -sounds- like you could no longer do in Vista. tinkering with your own system is not allowed. |
| 07:57.24 | Thunder_Child | tinkering with your system is half the fun |
| 07:57.30 | Corr[home] | protect the user from himself, and all |
| 07:57.53 | Kirkburn | *Some* things are restricted, but seriously, nearly every thing you could do in XP, you can do in Vista, and more |
| 07:58.12 | Corr[home] | "Code Integrity (CI) protects Windows Vista by verifying that system binaries haven’t been tampered with by malicious code and by ensuring that there are no unsigned drivers running in kernel mode on the system." |
| 07:58.34 | VoidRaider | Well NTFS is not that great for gaming I'm no FAT expert but because its file permissions attributes it has some performance issues |
| 07:58.37 | Corr[home] | "malicious code", eyeroll |
| 07:58.59 | Kirkburn | First time I've heard of NTFS being not that good for gaming :/ |
| 07:59.04 | Thunder_Child | they should have a "Dev Vista" for those that like to "fuck over their system" |
| 07:59.09 | VoidRaider | it's common sense |
| 07:59.18 | Corr[home] | it's not common sense... |
| 07:59.31 | VoidRaider | Well I'll explain then |
| 07:59.43 | Kirkburn | Only on 64-bit Vista are unsigned drivers blocked |
| 08:00.11 | Corr[home] | what if i write a driver that i want to use, to interact with my own computer? is it going to tell me i can't do that unless i get microsoft to sign it for me? |
| 08:00.49 | Kirkburn | See my previous line? |
| 08:00.53 | VoidRaider | Before a file is being written or read from the harddrive the OS must confirm if you have the permissions to do it ... that doesn't slow down performance ? |
| 08:01.35 | Corr[home] | so the answer, if we're on the context of using the 64-bit version, is yes. |
| 08:01.41 | Kirkburn | Most of the time in gaming files aren't being written or read (except during loading and saving) |
| 08:01.52 | Kirkburn | Yes, that would be so |
| 08:02.00 | Corr[home] | i am displeased |
| 08:02.08 | Kirkburn | Do you often write your own drivers? |
| 08:02.19 | Corr[home] | nope |
| 08:02.31 | Kirkburn | Anyone that manages to write drivers for Vista would have enough to pay for the license |
| 08:02.52 | Kirkburn | It's to stop hackers from writing something and getting it onto systems |
| 08:03.14 | sylvanaar | im sure that you can sign your own drivers or something |
| 08:03.20 | Corr[home] | even if that's true, i don't want to PAY to play with my own drivers. |
| 08:03.41 | Kirkburn | But that's the thing - pretty much no-one does make their own drivers |
| 08:03.49 | Kirkburn | Drivers are made by companies |
| 08:03.51 | Corr[home] | and before you get on me about not writing my own drivers, note that i'm talking about both the concept of it not being possible and about the real situation that i actually use quite a variety of unsigned drivers |
| 08:04.29 | Kirkburn | I know, I use unsigned gfx drivers |
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| 08:04.56 | sylvanaar | drivers arent as complicated as you are making them sound |
| 08:05.41 | Kirkburn | Perhaps, but that doesn't mean that every man and their dog is suddenly making them |
| 08:05.51 | VoidRaider | Hmm the textures must be read from the harddrive every once in a while I mean you don't really believe it loads everything to the memory ? |
| 08:06.07 | Kirkburn | If you have enough RAM |
| 08:06.09 | Corr[home] | this may be a ridiculous train of thought across a slippery slope, but consider this. microsoft makes you pay for them to review a driver you write to... alter your some aspect of your display. then their execs get a fun idea, and in the next update they demand that you pay them when you want to change your resolution, and then whenever you want to launch an application. |
| 08:06.31 | Corr[home] | *your some aspect -> some aspect |
| 08:06.51 | Corr[home] | windows love you long time, launchy launch $5 |
| 08:07.03 | Kirkburn | Well that just won't happen, will it |
| 08:07.28 | Kirkburn | They already do get drivers checked by MS |
| 08:07.40 | Corr[home] | it's the same idea, just on a smaller scale. every time they refuse to let me interact with my computer how i want, i chafe. |
| 08:07.41 | Kirkburn | WHQL testing |
| 08:07.49 | VoidRaider | It's not true, mate, even if I have enough RAM, The game loads only the textures that are visible to you into the memory |
| 08:07.51 | sylvanaar | they can do things which will destabilize your system - thats why MS wants to control them. because ignorant people will install the driver then blame resulting problems on windows |
| 08:08.22 | Kirkburn | VoidRaider, I don't recall HL2 thrashing away at the hdd whilst playing levels |
| 08:08.46 | Corr[home] | historically, people have unrightfully blamed windows for instability. however, they haven't stopped buying it. |
| 08:09.11 | Corr[home] | Aero is enough to placate them |
| 08:09.14 | Kirkburn | Corr[home], to be honest, anything you could do on XP, you can do on Vista. It's still completely customizable in nearly every way (unlike *cough* OSX *cough*) |
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| 08:09.38 | VoidRaider | I said it has performance issues and it's not recommanded, it might be meaningless to some but for some it's crucial, not to me however :) |
| 08:11.04 | Kirkburn | That's like saying XP isn't recommended for playing games, get Win2000 instead |
| 08:11.35 | Kirkburn | (actually more like Win98, which was FAT32) |
| 08:12.08 | Corr[home] | can i wire together my own Wii controller adapater, write a driver for it, and install it? perhaps. the article mentioned only kernel-mode drivers. let's try this. can i write a driver that will let me... sniff on my network interface? |
| 08:12.38 | Kirkburn | I wouldn't recommend getting 64-bit Vista for a long while, anyway |
| 08:13.09 | Kirkburn | Yeah, most drivers shouldn't need low-level access anyway |
| 08:13.13 | sylvanaar | part of a packet sniffer is in kernel mode |
| 08:13.23 | Kirkburn | A great quest description: Description] Axebreaker sends the player to collect blood from scavenging Bonechewer orcs, because he hates bonechewers and thinks they should all die. Also, an apothecary has requested these specimens for study. |
| 08:14.02 | Kirkburn | "Ill Omens <TXT> (completion at Corporal Ironridge) |
| 08:14.02 | Kirkburn | Hi, I'm the guy. Do a completion event where Ironridge see the name of a dead soldier stamped on the talilsman [sic], gets pissed, and resolves to avenge his comrade's death." |
| 08:14.13 | VoidRaider | Well in Win98 I can't do everything I do with Win2000 or XP simply because most of the programs doesn't support Win98 anywaym Fat32 and NTFS are almost the same for someone who wants to play a game ? :) |
| 08:15.09 | Kirkburn | Haha! An NTFS v FAT32 test: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/games/expert/durham_fs.mspx |
| 08:15.53 | Kirkburn | They come out identical |
| 08:16.18 | Kirkburn | (but obviously NTFS has lots of other benefits) |
| 08:16.19 | VoidRaider | yeah :P |
| 08:16.30 | VoidRaider | I agree :) |
| 08:16.51 | Kirkburn | =) |
| 08:17.51 | Kirkburn | I just noticed I missed a whole quest chain in HFP, I'd better go back and do it :P |
| 08:17.57 | VoidRaider | haha |
| 08:18.43 | Kirkburn | Even if it is green to me |
| 08:18.47 | Kirkburn | (if not grey) |
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| 08:19.15 | VoidRaider | :P |
| 08:24.12 | Kirkburn | Wha? There's no direct fp from Shattrath to Honor Hold? Madness! |
| 08:24.31 | Esamynn | nope :( |
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| 09:12.50 | malreth | RAWR!!! |
| 09:13.17 | Thunder_Child | sup malreth |
| 09:13.33 | malreth | i'm on my bad behaivor again |
| 09:13.41 | Thunder_Child | excelent |
| 09:13.51 | Thunder_Child | makes for interesting IRC |
| 09:14.15 | malreth | tonight... because it's night here... i'm making fun of emo myspace kids that write about cutting themselves |
| 09:14.34 | malreth | i must say that i support this |
| 09:15.07 | malreth | self mutilation is a healthy way to express your feelings about the injustices of the world against you |
| 09:15.27 | Thunder_Child | only if it leads to death and/or lack of gene passing |
| 09:16.14 | malreth | it's natural and should be encouraged. |
| 09:16.34 | Thunder_Child | btw, it's emospace |
| 09:16.55 | malreth | hmm... well if that is the parlance of our times, then so be it |
| 09:17.37 | malreth | also, these children should be taught to masturbate with broken glass and bacon |
| 09:18.23 | malreth | bacon is a natural, wholesome alternative to water-based or glycerine-based lubricants |
| 09:18.32 | malreth | but... it's not vegan |
| 09:18.41 | Thunder_Child | or kosher |
| 09:19.04 | malreth | and you can't upset the jewish vegetarian emospace self-mutilating adolescents |
| 09:19.42 | Thunder_Child | no, that would be...well one of those '"ist" things |
| 09:20.17 | Thunder_Child | they should have myspace darwin awards |
| 09:22.39 | malreth | something about browsing the forums late at night when I haven't eaten any dinner and just finished a marathon viewing session of Heros just brings out the worst in me... |
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| 09:22.50 | Thunder_Child | heros? |
| 09:22.57 | malreth | s/Heros/Heroes/ |
| 09:23.08 | malreth | I |
| 09:23.15 | malreth | I'm finally caught up to episode nine |
| 09:23.19 | Thunder_Child | ok..heroes? |
| 09:23.29 | Thunder_Child | i wasnt spellchecking you |
| 09:23.37 | malreth | now I go to work and not worry about spoilers |
| 09:23.41 | Thunder_Child | i just didnt understand the referemce |
| 09:23.52 | Thunder_Child | reference* |
| 09:24.02 | malreth | ~wiki Heroes (tv series) |
| 09:24.16 | malreth | booooo |
| 09:24.38 | Thunder_Child | ok, i'll check later |
| 09:24.43 | malreth | tv series on NBC |
| 09:24.54 | malreth | ~heroes |
| 09:25.14 | malreth | purl, heroes is <reply>Save the cheerleader... Save the world |
| 09:25.15 | purl | malreth: okay |
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| 09:25.25 | malreth | hey ck |
| 09:25.37 | ckknight_ | hey |
| 09:26.17 | Thunder_Child | "I come from the land down under...where women plague and men sunder"..... |
| 09:26.31 | malreth | Did you know that if Blizzard doesn't allow a decursive replacement... at least two people *might* cancel their WoW accounts? |
| 09:26.52 | malreth | This is serious! |
| 09:27.28 | malreth | I had to stop downloading porn to address this issue! |
| 09:27.46 | Thunder_Child | well lets see...700000000 - 2 * 158 = who cares |
| 09:28.36 | malreth | Without WoW, children will be forced to play outside in the streets. |
| 09:28.49 | Thunder_Child | 7000000* |
| 09:28.55 | malreth | where they will have to do drugs and get the herpes |
| 09:29.13 | Thunder_Child | mmmm...herpes |
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| 09:31.01 | Grem | Does anyone know when the new patch hits live servers? |
| 09:31.07 | Grem | and whether it includes the new UI changes |
| 09:31.15 | Thunder_Child | it will |
| 09:31.20 | Grem | when? |
| 09:31.23 | Thunder_Child | best guess is dec 5th |
| 09:31.27 | Grem | ah |
| 09:31.31 | Thunder_Child | no official release date |
| 09:31.35 | Grem | k |
| 09:31.41 | malreth | it could be as late as dec 12 |
| 09:31.53 | malreth | but no later than that if they want to have a white christmas |
| 09:32.10 | Grem | gotcha |
| 09:32.32 | malreth | or as the japanese say, uuaito kurisumasu |
| 09:33.18 | Grem | ... |
| 09:33.24 | malreth | it's true |
| 09:33.31 | Thunder_Child | will purl translate that? |
| 09:33.34 | malreth | you should believe what i say |
| 09:33.37 | malreth | no... |
| 09:33.42 | malreth | gimme a sec... |
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| 09:34.38 | malreth | can't type in japanese on that computer |
| 09:35.20 | malreth | ~x jp en ウアイトクリスマス |
| 09:35.42 | malreth | yeah... thanks, purl |
| 09:36.07 | Thunder_Child | ~x jp en uuaito kurisumasu |
| 09:36.19 | malreth | romaji doesn't work |
| 09:36.51 | malreth | ~x jp en ウアイト |
| 09:37.13 | malreth | ~x jp en クリスマス |
| 09:37.31 | Thunder_Child | gratz |
| 09:37.39 | Thunder_Child | ~botsnack |
| 09:37.39 | purl | aw, gee, Thunder_Child |
| 09:37.46 | malreth | well, at least that worked |
| 09:37.52 | malreth | hmm... |
| 09:38.08 | malreth | ~x jp en ウーアイト |
| 09:38.16 | malreth | pssh |
| 09:38.21 | Thunder_Child | doest like that one |
| 09:38.35 | malreth | i can't remember if it's uaito or uuaito |
| 09:39.02 | malreth | it's important to get that right... one means 'white' and the other probably means 'pussy' |
| 09:39.04 | Thunder_Child | dont look at me |
| 09:39.27 | malreth | speaking in japanese is risky business |
| 09:39.43 | Thunder_Child | so is taking a shower in prison |
| 09:39.52 | Thunder_Child | doesnt mean you stop |
| 09:39.54 | malreth | or masturbating with glass and bacon |
| 09:40.04 | malreth | goodnight everyone! |
| 09:40.09 | Thunder_Child | night |
| 09:40.11 | malreth | i'll be here all week |
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| 09:58.33 | Thunder_Child | does smite get a bouns from + healing items? |
| 09:58.40 | Thunder_Child | bonus* |
| 10:03.38 | cncfanatics | ofc not |
| 10:03.44 | cncfanatics | it gets bonus from +holy items & +dmg |
| 10:04.56 | Thunder_Child | just checking, thanks |
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| 10:10.20 | Karl | wow. Having just finished it I would like to say that F.E.A.R. is a fucking awesome game. |
| 10:10.34 | Karl | just for the record |
| 10:11.35 | Karl | best 1st person storyline since Deus Ex |
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| 10:12.58 | Thunder_Child | i dunno, prey had a really cool storyline |
| 10:13.44 | Karl | prey is newer |
| 10:13.53 | Karl | using the same engine |
| 10:14.12 | Thunder_Child | as fear or deus ex? |
| 10:14.16 | Karl | fear |
| 10:14.38 | Karl | but since i haven't played prey i cant just that one yet |
| 10:14.44 | Karl | judge* |
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| 10:15.25 | Thunder_Child | for some reason i could never seem to get fear to work on my system |
| 10:15.44 | Karl | fear has really high system reqs |
| 10:16.01 | Karl | but so does prey |
| 10:16.01 | Thunder_Child | i can play oblivion fine, and it's higher |
| 10:16.20 | Thunder_Child | and prey worked like a charm at max |
| 10:16.33 | Karl | haven't played oblivion yet, and prolly wont. i watched my roomie play msot of it |
| 10:16.35 | Thunder_Child | i could never figure it out |
| 10:16.44 | Karl | i hear the prey exp reqs are even worse |
| 10:17.25 | Thunder_Child | worse than oblivion? |
| 10:17.30 | Karl | and prey |
| 10:17.44 | Thunder_Child | ...you lost me |
| 10:18.15 | Karl | the prey expansion is newer than oblivion i believe and obviously newer than prey |
| 10:18.29 | Karl | i could be wrong tho |
| 10:18.30 | Thunder_Child | you just said prey twice..twice |
| 10:18.56 | Karl | wht? |
| 10:19.05 | Thunder_Child | you said prey twice |
| 10:19.12 | Thunder_Child | two different times |
| 10:19.17 | Karl | "prey expansion" |
| 10:19.21 | Karl | the 2nd one |
| 10:19.26 | Karl | i dunno what it's called |
| 10:19.36 | Thunder_Child | oh, i didnt even know there was one |
| 10:19.51 | Karl | maybe i'm thinkign fear |
| 10:19.54 | Thunder_Child | i think i am falling behind on my research |
| 10:20.14 | Karl | i must be thinkign of fear |
| 10:20.22 | Karl | "F.E.A.R. Extraction Point Expansion Pack" |
| 10:20.37 | Thunder_Child | ah |
| 10:20.47 | Thunder_Child | requireing the origonal? |
| 10:20.56 | Karl | i think so, but im not sure |
| 10:21.10 | Thunder_Child | huh...odd to upgrade grpahics in the exp |
| 10:21.19 | Thunder_Child | graphics* |
| 10:21.47 | Thunder_Child | in a exp* |
| 10:21.57 | Thunder_Child | ...an* |
| 10:22.01 | Thunder_Child | i am way to tired |
| 10:22.35 | [Wobin] | What... like how TBC does? =P |
| 10:23.21 | Thunder_Child | tbc is upgrading the graphics? |
| 10:23.26 | Karl | fear came out in 2005, the exp was 10/24/2006 |
| 10:23.40 | Karl | so a month ago |
| 10:23.48 | Karl | pretty damn new |
| 10:25.18 | ckknight | [Wobin], what does TBC update graphics-wise? |
| 10:25.19 | Karl | "Note: This expansion pack requires the full version of F.E.A.R. to play. " |
| 10:25.36 | [Wobin] | I'm not sure to be honest, but it runs a whole lot more smoother on my system |
| 10:25.50 | [Wobin] | and it appears shinier =) |
| 10:26.00 | Thunder_Child | the only things that changes in the system req's for tbc is 256 --> 512 ram |
| 10:26.05 | Karl | looks like F.E.A.R. won IGN's best fps in 2005, and it deserved it |
| 10:26.20 | Thunder_Child | minimum |
| 10:26.40 | Thunder_Child | http://www.blizzard.com/wow/faq/faq_tech.shtml origional |
| 10:26.40 | Thunder_Child | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/burningcrusade/faq.html new |
| 10:27.10 | Karl | LOL min reqs on the fear official site say: "Pentium? 41.7 GHz or equivalent processor" |
| 10:27.24 | Karl | ah ok, they missed a space |
| 10:27.31 | Thunder_Child | 4.17 prolly |
| 10:27.41 | Karl | no, pentium 4 1.7 |
| 10:27.42 | Thunder_Child | oh, yea i see what you mean |
| 10:27.50 | Karl | "Recommended Hardware |
| 10:27.50 | Karl | Pentium? 4 3.0 GHz or equivalent processor" |
| 10:28.14 | Karl | they don't even have an official page for the expansion |
| 10:29.25 | Karl | odd |
| 10:29.32 | Karl | min reqs on the expansion are the same |
| 10:29.59 | Karl | but my roommate said fear worked, but the expansion didn't work on his compy |
| 10:34.36 | Karl | reviews of F.E.A.R. Extraction Point say it's pretty much the same thing. which is good and bad i spose |
| 10:49.45 | Thunder_Child | anyone know of a mod that tracks who you have healed and how much? |
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| 11:07.37 | Thunder_Child | [Wobin] you around? |
| 11:07.57 | Wobble | aye briefly |
| 11:08.14 | Thunder_Child | were you going to fix your Mrplow page? |
| 11:08.27 | Wobble | the wiki? |
| 11:08.32 | Thunder_Child | yea |
| 11:08.40 | Wobble | wasn't planning to tonight =) |
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| 11:08.54 | Wobble | if you want to go and fix it, however, please feel free =) |
| 11:09.22 | Thunder_Child | i would but i dont know whats "broken" |
| 11:10.16 | Wobble | Is it broken? |
| 11:10.41 | Thunder_Child | to fix it.... |
| 11:11.49 | Thunder_Child | well i reclamed it for you |
| 11:12.20 | Wobble | What's broken about the page? |
| 11:12.40 | Thunder_Child | was a small joke, you did say i could "fix" it |
| 11:12.57 | Wobble | oh absolutely =) |
| 11:14.58 | Wobble | although the toc data is out of date for some reason |
| 11:15.25 | Thunder_Child | nooo...thats whast in the toc i just d/l'd |
| 11:15.39 | Wobble | from tje svn? |
| 11:15.49 | Thunder_Child | http://www.wowace.com/files/index.php?path=MrPlow/ |
| 11:15.57 | Thunder_Child | thats the link on the page |
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| 11:16.27 | Thunder_Child | and the changelog shows todays date for changing things |
| 11:16.30 | Wobble | hm, it should be at least v5.2 |
| 11:16.32 | Thunder_Child | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
| 11:16.32 | Thunder_Child | r18046 | wobin | 2006-11-25 04:31:15 -0500 (Sat, 25 Nov 2006) | 1 line |
| 11:16.32 | Thunder_Child | MrPlow - Aha. Damn GetItemInfo with the new level argument. Now it sorts properly! |
| 11:16.46 | Wobble | or 6 as the case may be |
| 11:16.53 | Wobble | I mean the toc data on the wiki page |
| 11:17.03 | Thunder_Child | i cant seem to edit that part |
| 11:17.17 | Thunder_Child | i think it pulls from the upload |
| 11:17.22 | Wobble | aye it's meant to be from a botscript |
| 11:18.21 | Thunder_Child | yea## Version: a/R.4.7.3 is in the toc |
| 11:18.41 | Thunder_Child | no... |
| 11:18.50 | Thunder_Child | in what i d/l'd it's 5.2 |
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| 13:50.50 | Thunder_Child | anyone know what the "gvalleymain" timer is? |
| 14:07.41 | Kirkburn | Argh, I've run out of bloody quests |
| 14:08.17 | Thunder_Child | so get some non bloody quests |
| 14:08.29 | Kirkburn | Predicatable :P |
| 14:08.29 | Thunder_Child | they dont all have to be violent |
| 14:08.40 | Thunder_Child | i'm tired |
| 14:08.45 | Kirkburn | All the rest are instance and elite quests atm :( |
| 14:09.20 | Thunder_Child | yea, i hate when that is |
| 14:10.31 | Kirkburn | Gonna try Blade's Edge, but I know there's not much there |
| 14:10.54 | Thunder_Child | non-stop av for me this weekend |
| 14:11.17 | Thunder_Child | i am helping a friend do a 92 hour non stop AV run |
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| 14:37.02 | cladhaire | Good morning. |
| 14:37.34 | Thunder_Child | morning |
| 14:42.19 | Tain | ~mornings |
| 14:42.20 | purl | Mornings MUST be destroyed! (see also http://www.destroymornings.com/) |
| 14:45.03 | Thunder_Child | hmm..the solution page seems to have a slight problem |
| 14:45.07 | Kirkburn | Phew, I found some quests in Blades Edge |
| 14:45.12 | Kirkburn | When those are done, I'm buggered |
| 14:45.23 | cladhaire | lol |
| 14:45.41 | cladhaire | i somehow made level 9 on my warlock, simply testing mods in and out of combat |
| 14:45.47 | Kaso | haha |
| 14:45.48 | Kirkburn | haha |
| 14:48.19 | Corr[home] | is 2.0 here yet? |
| 14:48.54 | Thunder_Child | what...in the channel? |
| 14:48.57 | cladhaire | no, thankfully |
| 14:49.06 | Corr[home] | i mean on the live realms |
| 14:49.07 | cladhaire | i mean he stopped by last night for a quickie |
| 14:49.11 | cladhaire | but he's not ready for you guys yet. |
| 14:49.47 | Thunder_Child | what kind of quickie? |
| 14:49.58 | Thunder_Child | or do i not want to know |
| 14:50.07 | cladhaire | who are you talking to? |
| 14:50.21 | Thunder_Child | that would be you |
| 14:50.41 | Thunder_Child | no one else said anything about a quickie except for you |
| 14:51.09 | cladhaire | it was an answer disguised as a rhetorical question |
| 14:51.20 | Thunder_Child | i know, thats why i had to ask |
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| 14:52.13 | Naurbrannon | Hi people, requesting LUA help....what's the best way to know if a certain index is defined in a table? |
| 14:53.11 | cladhaire | if tbl[key] then |
| 14:53.51 | Naurbrannon | I used if table["index"] == nil then....but it seems to create the index |
| 14:54.04 | cladhaire | nope, that won't create an index. |
| 14:54.09 | cladhaire | is the key a string? |
| 14:54.12 | Naurbrannon | yes |
| 14:54.42 | cladhaire | in lua, if tbl["key"] is sufficient. |
| 14:54.49 | cladhaire | unless you're using false values. |
| 14:54.55 | cladhaire | i.e. tbl[key] = false |
| 14:55.23 | cladhaire | for clarity, what you had (if tbl[key] == nil) is correct |
| 14:56.14 | Naurbrannon | mmm thanks, gotta search for the problem somewhere else then :p |
| 14:56.35 | cladhaire | i can help you quickly identify it if you'd like |
| 14:56.38 | cladhaire | if its a table |
| 14:56.51 | Tain | The tea leaves will have the answer. |
| 14:57.00 | Naurbrannon | nah you don't want, it's 285 lines of madless :P |
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| 14:57.05 | cladhaire | no |
| 14:57.08 | cladhaire | i can give you one line of code |
| 14:57.13 | cladhaire | that will hand you your answer |
| 14:57.16 | cladhaire | called tealeaves =) |
| 14:57.19 | cladhaire | but seriously |
| 14:57.22 | Tain | 285 lines! cladhaire eats that for breakfast! |
| 14:57.27 | cladhaire | you create the table somewhere with tbl = {}, correct? |
| 14:57.34 | Naurbrannon | lines of madness? |
| 14:57.37 | Naurbrannon | yes |
| 14:57.56 | Tain | (The madness is like sauce, it adds tang.) |
| 14:58.02 | Naurbrannon | ur better...it's a saved variable |
| 14:58.02 | Thunder_Child | 285 line for breakfast?....seems kinda dry to me |
| 14:58.18 | Thunder_Child | s/line/lines/ |
| 14:59.10 | cladhaire | http://wowi.pastey.net/2721 |
| 14:59.20 | Naurbrannon | and well I'll never post the code to you, it's the first addon I made like 1 year ago knowing nothing of LUA, now I'm trying to fix it but the code suck so much that I'm kinda ashamed of it ^_^" |
| 14:59.33 | cladhaire | actually |
| 14:59.38 | cladhaire | that will only alarm on access |
| 14:59.42 | cladhaire | you want to alarm when the value is set, |
| 14:59.47 | cladhaire | that would help you find the problem correct? |
| 15:00.06 | Thunder_Child | no no, never be ashamed about coding, it's the other things you should be ashamed about.... :) |
| 15:00.14 | Naurbrannon | oO |
| 15:00.35 | cladhaire | http://wowi.pastey.net/2722 |
| 15:00.38 | cladhaire | don't ask what it does |
| 15:00.39 | cladhaire | we can do that later |
| 15:00.54 | cladhaire | also if its a SV we can change it so it attaches properly |
| 15:00.55 | cladhaire | your call |
| 15:00.56 | Tain | I was just gonna suggest that! |
| 15:01.53 | cladhaire | metatables solved world hunger, imo |
| 15:02.18 | Naurbrannon | err...where am i supposed to paste it? :p |
| 15:02.29 | Thunder_Child | umm...wold hunger still exists..... |
| 15:02.31 | Naurbrannon | (and wth is the error function? oO) |
| 15:02.53 | Thunder_Child | s/wold/world/ |
| 15:03.22 | cladhaire | Naurbrannon: Okay, problem statement. you are testing for existance of a keyed value in a savedvariable. youc an verity that it doesn't exist at some point, and you want to determine when it gets set. Is this accurate? |
| 15:03.44 | Naurbrannon | yep |
| 15:04.06 | cladhaire | do you register for ADDON_LOADED, VARIABLES_LOADED or PLAYER_LOGIN/ENTERING_WORLD? |
| 15:04.15 | cladhaire | i.e. is there an event which you can ensure your variables have been loaded |
| 15:04.24 | Naurbrannon | yes |
| 15:04.46 | cladhaire | then use this, in that function somewhere: http://wowi.pastey.net/2723 |
| 15:04.52 | cladhaire | it adds a metatable to your SV |
| 15:05.07 | cladhaire | which will error() when something tries to set tbl["yourkey"] |
| 15:05.12 | cladhaire | so you'll want to edit and change "yourkey" |
| 15:05.18 | Naurbrannon | ooook |
| 15:05.39 | Naurbrannon | thanks a lot |
| 15:05.57 | Naurbrannon | *go to study metatables* |
| 15:07.15 | cladhaire | shoot |
| 15:07.18 | cladhaire | change that __index to __newindex |
| 15:07.20 | cladhaire | thats my bad |
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| 15:07.58 | cladhaire | http://wowi.pastey.net/2726 |
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| 15:43.30 | Thunder_Child | anyone know what the "gvalleymain" timer is from? |
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| 16:51.54 | Naurbrannon | ok solved which one was my real problem.....edited UNIT_PET description in wowwiki <_< |
| 16:59.57 | |Shadow| | Naurbrannon what class are you? |
| 17:00.06 | Naurbrannon | lock...and warrior |
| 17:00.24 | Naurbrannon | I've only soloed maraudon princess+thinkerer with lock |
| 17:00.30 | |Shadow| | lol |
| 17:00.40 | |Shadow| | well as a mage its pretty easy to clear the first room in brd |
| 17:00.44 | |Shadow| | then reset rinse and repeat |
| 17:00.52 | |Shadow| | im sure you could tank 2 level 52 elites on your warr? |
| 17:01.05 | |Shadow| | they only hit like 600 on me as a cloth wearer |
| 17:02.09 | Naurbrannon | they disarm T_T |
| 17:02.22 | zenzelezz | get a weapon chain :-p |
| 17:02.25 | Naurbrannon | and well my warrior has kinda crappy gear :p |
| 17:02.37 | |Shadow| | lol :( |
| 17:02.39 | zenzelezz | or one of those "liek dont disarm kk?" glvoes |
| 17:02.41 | zenzelezz | *gloves |
| 17:02.52 | Naurbrannon | yeah I have weapon chain but my better weapon is the glorious lvl 47 Warmonger :P |
| 17:03.58 | Naurbrannon | (it was imba at lvl 47) |
| 17:03.58 | |Shadow| | anyone know a good place to aoe farm? |
| 17:03.58 | |Shadow| | might aswell get some good aoe farming before the patch |
| 17:05.09 | |Shadow| | Naurbrannon my previous statement is crap |
| 17:05.13 | |Shadow| | they only hit 150 o me |
| 17:05.15 | |Shadow| | on me* |
| 17:06.53 | Naurbrannon | ok but still...my gear with warrior is green/blue |
| 17:07.03 | Naurbrannon | and 2 epics |
| 17:07.21 | |Shadow| | well there not that hard |
| 17:07.25 | |Shadow| | might aswell try |
| 17:07.35 | |Shadow| | i mean i can do it without taking any damage on my mage |
| 17:07.47 | |Shadow| | and im not that great geared :p |
| 17:08.23 | Naurbrannon | yeah I could give it a try...but maybe I could have better chances with lock as he's tier2/tier 3 ^^' |
| 17:08.37 | |Shadow| | :P |
| 17:08.42 | |Shadow| | yea use fear |
| 17:08.58 | |Shadow| | you have to pull 2 at a time |
| 17:08.58 | Naurbrannon | zomg fear in instances? no wai :p |
| 17:09.01 | |Shadow| | lol |
| 17:09.07 | |Shadow| | good point :P |
| 17:09.24 | Naurbrannon | I'll wait for felguard :D |
| 17:09.30 | |Shadow| | :P |
| 17:11.58 | Naurbrannon | lawl: http://wow-europe.com/en/community/wowparents.html |
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| 17:21.00 | Thunder_Child | wowwiki needs to have a game mechanics sections of "combat: how to get out of" |
| 17:21.17 | Naurbrannon | yeah please teach me how >.< |
| 17:21.23 | Thunder_Child | s/sections/section/ |
| 17:21.42 | Thunder_Child | i have to walk halfway across the map to dring... |
| 17:21.48 | Thunder_Child | drink* |
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| 17:44.44 | Maldivia | hmm, anyone knows if UnitBuff is being implemented, as noted in the concise list, or if it's just a copy-paste error |
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| 17:50.32 | Thunder_Child | indeed, along with UnitStrong, UnitHunk, and UnitSexy |
| 17:50.50 | Naurbrannon | http://www.gizmopolitan.co.uk/issues/issue2.php?page=6&issue=2 |
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| 17:56.42 | Kaso | Maldivia |
| 17:56.50 | Maldivia | Kaso |
| 17:57.03 | Kaso | it seems to only rake Unit, index, [raidfilter] |
| 17:57.28 | Maldivia | kaso: yeah, from my quick checks on beta and ptr, it's only index.. |
| 17:57.53 | Maldivia | so was wondering if it was a copy-paste error from GetPlayerBuff*, or something available from next patch |
| 17:58.16 | Kaso | i dont recall there being any posts about unitbuff other than the returns change, so i guess its a mistake |
| 17:58.44 | Maldivia | well, it would make sense, since the code was already present in the UnitHasBuff functions |
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| 18:13.14 | cladhaire | Maldivia: Its only taking unit, index, raidfilter |
| 18:13.40 | cladhaire | Maldivia: Must be copy/paste. UnitHasBuff() was just doing a naive iteration of the buffs, and slouken decided it was better to put that on our side of things, than force it on us on the C side. |
| 18:13.56 | cladhaire | Maldivia: asking him for name, rank helped clear that up a but. |
| 18:15.03 | Maldivia | yeah, I know it's simple to implement in lua, especially now that name is returned |
| 18:15.30 | Maldivia | but figured, it could be a logical extension, since the same behavior was added to player buffs |
| 18:15.40 | cladhaire | it wasn't, which is what I'm saying |
| 18:15.55 | cladhaire | player buffs end up being quite different from unit buffs |
| 18:15.56 | Maldivia | GetPlayerBuff("Arcane Intellect") |
| 18:16.14 | cladhaire | the implementation is very different between unit buffs, and player buffs, in this case. |
| 18:16.23 | Maldivia | yes |
| 18:16.55 | Maldivia | and I know, the reason for the player buff chance, was to allow /cancelaura |
| 18:17.11 | cladhaire | *nod* |
| 18:17.28 | Maldivia | and since all the playerbuff functions, probably use the same method to look up the buff, adding name support to one, added it automatically to them all |
| 18:17.58 | cladhaire | I asked for clarification cause I was concerned, btu it turns out two UnitHasBuff() is twice as expensive as a single naive iteration using UnitBuff().. so its proably good that its not there, since it would be bad practice |
| 18:19.17 | Maldivia | well, I'll probably keep my existing code on that area anyway |
| 18:19.44 | cladhaire | *nod* |
| 18:20.29 | Maldivia | currently caching unit buffs in a table, also makes it alot easier to detect which buff was added/removed. |
| 18:22.05 | cladhaire | yeah, that definitely makes things nice |
| 18:26.48 | Maldivia | hmm, no type return on UnitBuff |
| 18:34.49 | cladhaire | there shouldn't be. |
| 18:34.53 | cladhaire | its just name,rank,texture,count |
| 18:39.55 | Thunder_Child | anyone ever head of a gvalleymain timer? |
| 18:40.03 | VoidRaider | Hhmm haven't checked that, "Crowd Control effects in PvP will last no longer than 12 seconds instead of the full duration, with a chance of a heartbeat resist." I thought that this limit apply only to the Arena and not overall PvP ? |
| 18:41.19 | grimman | VoidRaider: Easy enough to check though, find a friendly mage and start the sheeping. ;D |
| 18:41.34 | VoidRaider | haha :P |
| 18:42.26 | grimman | Got a mail from Blizzard today offering me to bring a new sheep to the fold in exchange for 30 days of play time. |
| 18:42.59 | VoidRaider | haha .. |
| 18:44.01 | |FF|Im2good4u | lol me2 :p |
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| 18:51.35 | Maldivia | cladhaire: yeah, know there shouldn't be according to the API, but it could be nice |
| 18:51.49 | cladhaire | why? |
| 18:51.56 | cladhaire | there's never a need to know what type buff you have |
| 18:52.04 | cladhaire | since they can't be dispelled, they're all "Magic" |
| 18:52.05 | ScytheBlade1 | VoidRaider, it's true, 12s max with diminishing returns |
| 18:52.10 | cladhaire | i.e. you can't be Cursed, Poisoned or Diseased. |
| 18:52.11 | VoidRaider | Well it seems that people barely have PvP activity in the Beta haha |
| 18:52.19 | VoidRaider | ahh thx :) |
| 18:52.20 | Maldivia | buffs are either Magic or no type |
| 18:52.21 | ScytheBlade1 | JUST because of that, I can't beat paladins anymore :( |
| 18:52.30 | VoidRaider | :P |
| 18:52.40 | Maldivia | cladhaire: only magic-type buffs can be dispelled, purged or stolen |
| 18:52.48 | cladhaire | but they're all magic type |
| 18:52.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Trust me, I tried... third cast of sheep broke pretty much instantly, and on the fourth the guy was immune |
| 18:52.53 | Maldivia | No |
| 18:53.13 | cladhaire | where's the distinction? |
| 18:53.16 | Maldivia | for instance paladin Auras are not specifiec |
| 18:53.25 | Maldivia | and a lot of trinket buffs |
| 18:53.27 | Tuller | finally found the unit watch code, hurray :) |
| 18:53.49 | VoidRaider | With diminishing returns are you sure ? since I need to set the appropriate cap time in a case it's a player :) |
| 18:54.04 | cladhaire | Maldivia: Maybe its a matter of asking for CanStealBuff(unit, index)? |
| 18:54.21 | ScytheBlade1 | VoidRaider, I'm 100% sure |
| 18:54.26 | VoidRaider | ok thx mate :D |
| 18:54.31 | cladhaire | unless ALL magic buffs can be stolen, bar none. |
| 18:54.36 | Maldivia | well, buffs have a type associates (as seen on the buff tooltip), so why not return that aswell |
| 18:54.45 | Maldivia | eventhough it's for 90% of all buffs are "Magic" |
| 18:54.50 | cladhaire | might not hurt to ask for it =) |
| 18:54.51 | cladhaire | *shrug* |
| 18:55.02 | ScytheBlade1 | VoidRaider, fear, polymorph, the works, 12s max with diminishing returns |
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| 18:55.19 | ScytheBlade1 | It's either cast #3 or cast #4 where the target is immune, I forget |
| 18:55.20 | ckknight | hey all |
| 18:55.35 | Cairenn | hi ckknight |
| 18:55.55 | ScytheBlade1 | VoidRaider, that said, you can always hop on the PTR and test it ;) |
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| 18:57.41 | VoidRaider | Yeah well, I'm in the beta though and from what it seems people barely PvP there, all they though mostly is PvE at least in europe |
| 18:58.25 | VoidRaider | they do* |
| 18:58.36 | ScytheBlade1 | On the US PvE server, there's pretty much always PvP going on around the PvP points. |
| 18:58.55 | VoidRaider | :P |
| 19:00.34 | Mery | on the pvp server there are a few people that instead of leveling just run around to gank :) just like the good ol' times |
| 19:00.47 | VoidRaider | Yeah well I didn't even see Outland and I'm like 3 - 4 months in the beta or something, I'm standing there and testing haha |
| 19:01.48 | weab | what a dork. testing in a beta test! |
| 19:04.42 | |FF|Im2good4u | BC FTW! |
| 19:04.51 | |FF|Im2good4u | MAGE > ALL |
| 19:05.27 | VoidRaider | Hunter > All :) |
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| 19:06.54 | Thunder_Child | Illidian > all |
| 19:07.43 | VoidRaider | I seen the armor tiers in a movie and well the Mage tier isn't that impressive :/ |
| 19:08.02 | Thunder_Child | tier 5 you mean? |
| 19:08.03 | VoidRaider | I think it was tier 5 |
| 19:08.14 | VoidRaider | yeah |
| 19:08.26 | Thunder_Child | i saw them, some look really stupid |
| 19:08.46 | Thunder_Child | lock was awesome |
| 19:08.50 | VoidRaider | The warlock one man is awesome imo :P |
| 19:08.54 | VoidRaider | lol |
| 19:08.58 | Thunder_Child | so was the war one |
| 19:09.06 | VoidRaider | yeah :) |
| 19:09.20 | Thunder_Child | priests have jetpacks |
| 19:09.37 | VoidRaider | I like the Pala and the Priest one too dunno seems pretty good to me |
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| 19:10.03 | Neebler | tier 6: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8605546602265839625&q=tier+6&hl=en |
| 19:10.13 | VoidRaider | lol |
| 19:10.27 | VoidRaider | I know the link :P |
| 19:10.43 | Thunder_Child | pictures are faster http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/wow/news-396-1-tier-5-armor-graphics.html |
| 19:11.37 | Thunder_Child | more pictures http://www.worldofraids.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1264&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 |
| 19:12.03 | VoidRaider | The priest one should have Wings :P |
| 19:12.33 | Thunder_Child | i still say the priest is wearing a jetpack |
| 19:13.53 | VoidRaider | Yeah it looks from the pictures however in the movie it seems pretty good, mybe the animation does the magic :) |
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| 19:28.23 | Kirkburn | omg omg omg, Netherstorm =) |
| 19:29.17 | Kaso | what level you now? |
| 19:29.44 | Thardal | does anyone know some mod with decently commented code that could explain how to make additional hotbars in 2.0? |
| 19:31.55 | cladhaire | cogwheel has a bar addon on wowi i believe |
| 19:32.48 | Thardal | wowi? |
| 19:33.13 | cladhaire | wowinterface |
| 19:33.14 | grimman | That made me lol. |
| 19:33.23 | cladhaire | the website, this channel was created by |
| 19:33.25 | cladhaire | .. |
| 19:33.44 | Thardal | oh, the mayor of berlin is called wowi, so this kinda confused me wtf he was now doing with addons heh |
| 19:34.16 | cladhaire | hahaha |
| 19:35.01 | cladhaire | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?s=&id=5977 |
| 19:35.02 | |FF|Im2good4u | dahm ui designed i finely completed 1 hole panal of my addon and i tryed to remove something at the back it mroeved the netire panal |
| 19:35.07 | |FF|Im2good4u | and it has no undo :( |
| 19:35.11 | Kirkburn | 66, Kaso |
| 19:35.19 | Kirkburn | Run out of solo quests, too :( |
| 19:35.31 | Kaso | at 67 you'll get a whole bunch |
| 19:35.39 | Kirkburn | Doesn't help me :P |
| 19:35.47 | grimman | Kirkburn: You still play on DB? |
| 19:35.49 | Kirkburn | I'm only 10% into 66 ;( |
| 19:35.53 | Kirkburn | Rarely |
| 19:35.58 | Kirkburn | Like, never atm |
| 19:36.03 | grimman | ok, nm then. ;) |
| 19:36.28 | grimman | Was thinking of making a comeback, but wanted to know if people were as rude and ignorant as before. ;D |
| 19:36.32 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 19:36.40 | Kirkburn | Well half of VoM left the server |
| 19:36.54 | grimman | I'm not surprised. |
| 19:37.03 | grimman | I might leave myself actually. |
| 19:37.10 | Kirkburn | I came back one day to find my guild gone \o/ |
| 19:37.14 | grimman | I have friends on Grim Batol. |
| 19:37.19 | grimman | lol, cute. |
| 19:37.26 | Kirkburn | My housemate is in Corpse Run, they're quite nice :) |
| 19:37.56 | Kirkburn | (great, the TBC server is kicking me repeatedly) |
| 19:37.57 | grimman | Currently looking for a casual PVP guild. Ie. people who know how to play and aren't asshats about it. ;P |
| 19:38.24 | Kirkburn | Well Corpse Run aren't casual or PvP :P |
| 19:38.29 | grimman | ;) |
| 19:38.51 | Osagasu | Woot! Exaldted FW! /dance |
| 19:38.54 | Osagasu | **Exalted |
| 19:39.05 | grimman | Hardcore PVE is what made me quit. Like a good drone I wish to limit my exposure to hazardous environments. ;D |
| 19:39.10 | Kaso | Kirkburn: seems that outlands is down as usual, EK or kalimdor work |
| 19:39.34 | Kirkburn | I should have noticed when the mobs stopped moving |
| 19:39.44 | Kirkburn | Weirdly I can log in far enough to see the world, though |
| 19:39.59 | Industrial | since a week im getting so much lag that it makes me DC |
| 19:40.06 | Kaso | oh really? do you have like no UI or something |
| 19:40.09 | Industrial | i cant even REACH the org bank |
| 19:40.36 | Kirkburn | Oh, now I can't even see the world (yup, lots of addons) |
| 19:40.37 | Industrial | its really frustrating, cause i cant party, and I die solo off mobs hittng me when im in a lagspike |
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| 19:40.51 | Kirkburn | What kind of levels do you get? |
| 19:40.57 | grimman | lol, weirdest thing happened yesterday. We had a PVP raid going to take Halaa, everything went smoothly until we actually took Halaa. Bam, ping rose to 2-3k. |
| 19:41.00 | Industrial | when i move in our out of an instance i fall through the floor |
| 19:41.19 | Kirkburn | (lots and lots and lots of addons, but only 20 meg UI usage, makes me v happy =) |
| 19:41.25 | Industrial | lagspikes can take up to 1+ minute |
| 19:41.31 | Industrial | Kirkburn: :-) |
| 19:42.16 | Industrial | so i rolled a night elf druid |
| 19:42.27 | Industrial | to play on when i cant play on US/Dethecus |
| 19:43.31 | Industrial | heh karate kid 1 2 and 3 is almost finished :) also found a rare 1993 Rob Kaman Muay Thai Clinching Techniques video, and ong bak (THE Muai Thai movie) |
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| 19:44.16 | grimman | You sound like someone I know, Industrial. :P |
| 19:45.43 | Industrial | grimman: I doubt im that person, I'm not swedish :-) |
| 19:45.53 | grimman | Oh I know you're not that person. |
| 19:46.06 | grimman | Doesn't mean you can't remind me of him. ;P |
| 19:46.13 | Industrial | :3 |
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| 19:47.37 | Industrial | You're the best around, nothing's gonna ever keep you down. |
| 19:47.44 | grimman | hehe |
| 19:47.54 | grimman | Joe Esposito. ;D |
| 19:48.13 | Industrial | nice track for a wow video |
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| 19:49.15 | ckknight_ | anyone know why TargetofTarget_Update would block an addon? |
| 19:49.32 | Maldivia | because it's shows/hidefs the target of target frame - a secure frame |
| 19:50.02 | Maldivia | or some other feature of the ToT |
| 19:51.30 | ckknight_ | but it's never being called by the blocked addon. |
| 19:51.47 | Maldivia | dont always trust which addon it blames :) |
| 19:52.12 | ckknight_ | ADDON_ACTION_BLOCKED:AddOn 'BugSack' tried to call the protected function 'TargetofTargetFrame:Show()'.FrameXML\TargetFrame.lua:568: in function `TargetofTarget_Update'FrameXML\TargetFrame.lua:544: in function `TargetofTarget_OnUpdate'<string>:"TargetofTargetFrame:OnUpdate":2: in function <[string "TargetofTargetFrame:OnUpdate"]:1> |
| 19:52.13 | ckknight_ | yea, I know not to trust the addon |
| 19:52.16 | ckknight_ | but still, it's weird. |
| 19:52.38 | cladhaire | why? something tainted the frame, or some value in that table, most likely |
| 19:52.58 | cladhaire | do you have a reproducible condition? |
| 19:53.37 | Maldivia | ckknight: tried using the Taint map addon, to see what is tainted? |
| 19:54.03 | ckknight_ | no, not yet (it's not even my error anyway) |
| 19:54.48 | cladhaire | if you can reproduce it you should be able to trace it back pretty easily |
| 19:55.17 | ckknight_ | apparently it's from dismissing the pet in the arena |
| 19:55.45 | cladhaire | interesting.. since the dismissal can only be called from untainted code.. |
| 19:56.14 | |FF|Im2good4u | can i use binary checkups in wowlua like if bit x is enabled ? |
| 19:56.35 | cladhaire | yes, use bit.and, bit.org, etc. |
| 19:57.03 | |FF|Im2good4u | Cool i dont think thats standart lua but aslong as it works :p |
| 19:57.09 | cladhaire | standard. |
| 19:57.11 | cladhaire | and it does work |
| 19:57.27 | cladhaire | using reuben thomas's bitlib library, actually |
| 19:57.37 | cladhaire | You can get bitlib.dll for a standalone distribution if you need it. |
| 19:58.01 | |FF|Im2good4u | oke thanks ill go look up sme documentation on it :P |
| 19:58.28 | cladhaire | its just standard bitwise operations, i.e. bit.and(33, 1) returns 1 |
| 20:00.17 | |FF|Im2good4u | right but can it so things like bit.set or ifbit ? |
| 20:01.09 | Kirkburn | =) http://www.gamesformacs.com/ |
| 20:01.10 | cladhaire | no |
| 20:01.13 | cladhaire | you have to do that work manually |
| 20:01.41 | |FF|Im2good4u | oke i gues i cold write some functions for it :P |
| 20:01.54 | cladhaire | i.e. result = bit.org(previous, 32) |
| 20:02.33 | zenzelezz | org? |
| 20:03.24 | |FF|Im2good4u | lol they didnt teach org at school either :P |
| 20:03.33 | cladhaire | or |
| 20:03.34 | cladhaire | bastaerd |
| 20:03.38 | cladhaire | s/ae/a/ |
| 20:03.43 | cladhaire | purl, stop swearing! |
| 20:03.48 | purl | ACTION leaps to his feet and stops swearing! |
| 20:03.48 | zenzelezz | only asking since you typed org twice |
| 20:05.35 | Mike-N-Go | What are things like "^%s*(.-)%s*(%w+)%s*$" called? |
| 20:05.42 | cladhaire | patterns |
| 20:05.59 | Mike-N-Go | As in, what can I look them up under. |
| 20:06.11 | Kaso | 5.2.1 in lua manaul |
| 20:06.17 | Kaso | fuck |
| 20:06.18 | Kaso | 5.4.1 |
| 20:06.26 | Mike-N-Go | That there name, patterns |
| 20:06.39 | Kaso | ? |
| 20:06.54 | Tem | fuck |
| 20:07.00 | cladhaire | fuck |
| 20:07.03 | Kaso | haha |
| 20:07.15 | Esamynn | shit? |
| 20:07.15 | Cairenn | Mike-N-Go: fuck that, we're adults here |
| 20:07.31 | Kaso | Mike : http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#5.4.1 is what you seek i think |
| 20:07.35 | Mike-N-Go | OK, well this is not the place for me. |
| 20:07.39 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Mike-N-Go (n=Mike@64.193.93.197) |
| 20:07.53 | cladhaire | lol |
| 20:07.53 | Kaso | ..? |
| 20:07.55 | cladhaire | are you kidding me? |
| 20:07.56 | Kaso | what the hell |
| 20:07.59 | |FF|Im2good4u | : Ownage! |
| 20:08.05 | Cairenn | just let it go guys |
| 20:11.15 | Xuerian | That's kinda how he left #wowace <.< |
| 20:13.36 | |FF|Im2good4u | Cairenn: would bit.and(2,1) and bit.and(3,1) both return 3 ? |
| 20:14.08 | cladhaire | no, |
| 20:14.11 | cladhaire | bit.and(2,1) is 0 |
| 20:14.17 | cladhaire | bit.and(3,1) returns true |
| 20:14.26 | cladhaire | (i meant bit.and(2,1) is false, not 0) |
| 20:14.42 | Kirkburn | <Cairenn> Mike-N-Go: fuck that, we're adults here <--- are we, are we *really*? |
| 20:14.48 | Cide | bit.and doesn't exist |
| 20:14.59 | cladhaire | bit.band |
| 20:15.05 | Cide | which returns a number |
| 20:15.21 | Cide | 3 & 1 = 1 |
| 20:15.29 | Cide | 2 & 1 = 0 |
| 20:15.33 | cladhaire | yeah you're right, i'm smoking crack. |
| 20:15.39 | Cide | lol :) |
| 20:16.13 | Cide | |FF|Im2good4u: bit.bor(2,1) and bit.bor(3,1) both return 3 |
| 20:19.22 | Kirkburn | Someone's response to the fact that Tempest Keep is having problems: "No need to restart the server, it's only Outland that's down." |
| 20:19.32 | Kirkburn | Uh, yeah, so we'll all just sit in Ironforge then =) |
| 20:19.35 | Kaso | ha |
| 20:20.21 | Kaso | i was actually patrolling around netherstorm trying to find you when it went down kirk :> |
| 20:20.33 | Kaso | come gank your or something |
| 20:20.35 | Kaso | mwhaha |
| 20:20.42 | Kirkburn | I love my new Battle Mage Baton: http://www.thottbot.com/beta?i=756 |
| 20:20.49 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 20:20.54 | Kirkburn | Where were you? |
| 20:21.16 | Kaso | just flying around on my mount, near area 52 |
| 20:22.01 | ckknight | http://ace.pastey.net/2730 <-- banker's rounding, for anyone who wants it |
| 20:23.58 | |FF|Im2good4u | ah yeh stoopid me if i and 10 whit 01 u get 00 ofc lol |
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| 20:25.52 | |FF|Im2good4u | so basicly i wana see if a bit is enabled in my variable i could do if bit.band(myvar,64) then oke thanks i understand it now :P |
| 20:27.11 | Maldivia | No |
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| 20:27.16 | Maldivia | yes |
| 20:27.36 | Maldivia | just remember, the bit functions are 32 bit |
| 20:29.03 | |FF|Im2good4u | oke |
| 20:29.21 | |FF|Im2good4u | i only need 13 :P |
| 20:31.05 | Kirkburn | Kaso, I hate you |
| 20:31.11 | Kirkburn | =) |
| 20:31.13 | Kaso | ..? |
| 20:31.20 | Kaso | thats a bit harsh |
| 20:31.22 | Kaso | why? |
| 20:31.41 | Kirkburn | <Kaso> just flying ... mount ... |
| 20:31.48 | Kaso | haha |
| 20:31.51 | Kaso | <3 lvl 70 |
| 20:31.52 | Kirkburn | argh :) |
| 20:32.06 | Kirkburn | What happens if you log out mid flight? |
| 20:32.11 | Kirkburn | (also, you can hover, right?) |
| 20:32.16 | Cide | doesn't matter in most cases as long as it doesn't overflow, |FF|Im2good4u |
| 20:32.20 | Kaso | you can hover, and you log in hovering |
| 20:32.57 | Kirkburn | Cool |
| 20:33.12 | Kaso | there seems a rather large potential for roof camping though |
| 20:33.18 | Kirkburn | So I hear |
| 20:33.49 | Kaso | mobs deaggro as soon as you fly up yard or two |
| 20:34.04 | Kirkburn | Oh, PvE roof camping too? |
| 20:34.27 | Kaso | well, it woudlnt work in pve, the mobs would just evade |
| 20:34.40 | Kaso | but that big stone in the centre of HH is awesome for ganking on |
| 20:34.50 | Kaso | ... not that i'd know or anything |
| 20:35.02 | Kirkburn | I can understand the mobs deaggroing I think - I mean, who would keep trying to jump and hit a flying object? |
| 20:35.10 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 20:35.28 | grimman | Elite kangarogues? ;P |
| 20:35.30 | Kirkburn | Fortunately I've not come across you |
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| 20:35.53 | Kaso | I think druids are a little too imba, they can go flight form while falling |
| 20:36.08 | Kaso | so they can go caster - moonfire - flying |
| 20:36.12 | Kaso | and gank mid air |
| 20:36.27 | |FF|Im2good4u | i just dont understand why u cant use the flying mounts in the normal world |
| 20:36.29 | ckknight | can you use flight form in Azeroth? |
| 20:36.35 | Kirkburn | I thought they couldn't go flight form in combat? |
| 20:36.36 | Kaso | nope |
| 20:36.37 | Kirkburn | No, ckknight |
| 20:36.42 | ckknight | ... |
| 20:36.43 | ckknight | why not? |
| 20:36.44 | grimman | I envision swarms of druids doing airstrikes. |
| 20:36.45 | Kirkburn | The world was never designed for it :( |
| 20:36.51 | ckknight | they should fix that. |
| 20:36.56 | ckknight | I mean, srsly. |
| 20:36.59 | Kaso | it be tonnes of work though |
| 20:37.00 | Kirkburn | They'd have to finish off a HUGE amount of areas |
| 20:37.08 | Cide | that'd be another expansion in itself, just to enable one, small feature? I think no |
| 20:37.10 | Cide | t |
| 20:37.11 | Kirkburn | Seriously massive amounts of work |
| 20:37.17 | ckknight | yea, I suppose. |
| 20:37.17 | End | yeah |
| 20:37.18 | ckknight | :-P |
| 20:37.21 | Kirkburn | As Cide says, next expansion =) |
| 20:37.24 | ckknight | I still think it'd be cool |
| 20:37.28 | Kirkburn | Hell yeah |
| 20:37.29 | Cide | it would be cool, sure |
| 20:37.30 | End | there are a lot of areas that depend on the player being at ground location |
| 20:37.31 | grimman | ckknight: The border between Searing Gorge and Badlands alone looks like utter shite. ;P |
| 20:37.39 | ckknight | so what's the next expansion gonna be? ;-) |
| 20:37.45 | Cide | emerald dream! |
| 20:37.45 | End | as well as flat areas :P |
| 20:37.48 | Cide | (my guess) |
| 20:37.53 | grimman | Northrend? |
| 20:37.59 | Cide | northrend's too early |
| 20:38.01 | Teomyr | northrend! i hope ^^ |
| 20:38.03 | ckknight | not Northrend |
| 20:38.10 | ckknight | my guess is Sunken Kalimdor + Undermine |
| 20:38.16 | Kirkburn | Good old, green block, red block, green block, red block, giant gulf without land, random mountain, blue block, tree ... |
| 20:38.40 | Kirkburn | I would say so too |
| 20:39.10 | grimman | But hey... Kaso, how far out from the main Outlands continent can you fly on the mount? And can you fly down past the invisible border without "falling"? |
| 20:39.23 | Kaso | i havent dared fligh down |
| 20:39.27 | grimman | I've only launched my pet down a couple of times so I know nothing about it. |
| 20:39.37 | Kirkburn | I'd love to see Nazjatar and Undermine, totally new areas |
| 20:39.39 | Kaso | but after about 2 min of flight in any direction away from land you hit a wall |
| 20:39.43 | Kaso | up aswell |
| 20:39.49 | grimman | ok |
| 20:40.03 | End | I think they should make it fatigue instead of a wall for outwards |
| 20:40.08 | Kirkburn | It saddens me that you can't do loop-the-loops though :) |
| 20:40.17 | Tuller | hrm, is it possible to set a secure frame's parent in combat? |
| 20:40.18 | Kaso | but you can fligh like between netherstorm and hellfire and stuff |
| 20:40.19 | Kirkburn | If only WoW used that type of control method :P |
| 20:40.24 | grimman | Makes sense to have a limited skybox, I just thought blizzard killed you or something. |
| 20:40.51 | Kirkburn | Well they do if you just jump off randomly ;) |
| 20:41.00 | Kaso | i think youd die from flying down, but i dont wanna lose dura from trying :< |
| 20:41.09 | grimman | So undress... nubbie. |
| 20:41.17 | Kirkburn | Unless you're on a flying mount, in which case you just run off the world into space and start flying |
| 20:41.22 | Kaso | you'd have to spirit ress |
| 20:41.34 | Kaso | 10min is also a long time of doing nothing |
| 20:41.38 | axxo | so get nakid, put stuff in bank |
| 20:41.53 | Kirkburn | Kaso, you sure? When you fall off normally the body is placed back on the side of the continent |
| 20:41.53 | grimman | As for fatigue... it's a bit wasteful in the end, the current live continents have massive ocean margins to serve a very small purpose. |
| 20:42.07 | Kaso | whatwhat?! |
| 20:42.11 | Kaso | noone told me about that |
| 20:42.21 | Kirkburn | Apparently so |
| 20:42.26 | Kaso | hmm |
| 20:42.29 | grimman | Right, so there you have it. |
| 20:42.30 | Kaso | ill give it a test |
| 20:42.34 | grimman | Get Fraps and get busy. |
| 20:42.38 | Kirkburn | (muahahahaha ;) |
| 20:42.55 | Kaso | fatigue is broken, if you get a low level priest geared properly you can outheal it |
| 20:42.55 | End | the first thing I did when I got to outland was jump off of a cliff |
| 20:42.59 | Kirkburn | But seriously, that's how it's supposed to work now |
| 20:43.17 | grimman | Kaso: No need for "geared properly"... I did it once when Kalimdor was crashed. |
| 20:43.33 | Kaso | well thats cheating |
| 20:43.41 | Kirkburn | Also, I want to know what's going on in Gilneas |
| 20:43.43 | grimman | Just make a char and run up from the UD starting area in my case, avoiding murlocs and healing in fatigue waters. |
| 20:44.00 | Kirkburn | And what is Alexstrazsa hiding in Grim Batol? |
| 20:44.09 | End | maybe herself |
| 20:44.13 | grimman | Gilneas? |
| 20:44.25 | Kirkburn | SW Lordaeron, grimman |
| 20:44.44 | grimman | I see. |
| 20:44.44 | Kirkburn | And what's the bit of land between IF and SW |
| 20:44.48 | End | anyways, gileans is small enough where it might just be a content patch...but who knows |
| 20:45.00 | Kirkburn | That sticky-out bit with the giant wall, that's Gilneas :) |
| 20:45.39 | Kirkburn | Oh and what about Kul'Tiras (a big island that should be off the coast of the wetlands) |
| 20:45.52 | Kirkburn | Another human nation there |
| 20:46.12 | Kirkburn | (note the Kul'Tiras sailors in Durotar) |
| 20:46.38 | Kirkburn | Basically, there's a loot to come |
| 20:46.43 | Kirkburn | Oh and Tirisfal Glades |
| 20:46.57 | grimman | Grim Batol gates hold nothing, it's just mountain behind them... if you were wondering. ;) |
| 20:47.02 | Kirkburn | (NW Lordaeron, possibly site of Krasus' sanctuary, and an Old God) |
| 20:47.02 | grimman | Aspect of the Hawk bug ftw. |
| 20:47.10 | grimman | Uh... bad. |
| 20:47.14 | grimman | Eagle Eye even. |
| 20:47.19 | Kirkburn | Heh, this is true |
| 20:48.46 | Kirkburn | Hmm, I should go visit the site of the battle in Day of the Dragon again |
| 20:48.56 | Kirkburn | Haven't been back there since I read the book |
| 20:49.06 | grimman | >_< |
| 20:49.20 | grimman | I need to buy those books. *sigh* |
| 20:49.32 | grimman | As well as the new Halo book. :P |
| 20:49.46 | Kirkburn | To most people it's just a broken-up caravan in the Wetlands, but it's actually the site of one of the most important battles in Warcraft |
| 20:50.35 | Kirkburn | (where Deathwing was once defeated, and Alexstrazsa was freed - in WC2 her dragonflight was controlled by the horde) |
| 20:50.44 | grimman | That I know. |
| 20:50.48 | Kirkburn | grimman, buy them! |
| 20:50.54 | grimman | There are so many. ;( |
| 20:51.04 | End | Alexstrazsa's flight was controlled by the dragonmaw clan |
| 20:51.05 | Kirkburn | I got them all last week =) |
| 20:51.17 | Kirkburn | Indeed |
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| 20:52.14 | grimman | Is the wetlands map still wrong? As I recall the location on the map said there was one orc clan in a particular area, but when you got there another clan was holding up and killing nubbies. |
| 20:52.28 | End | in the war2 xpac it was deathwing's clan |
| 20:52.45 | Kirkburn | Nekros Skullcrusher controlled Alextrazsa |
| 20:54.32 | grimman | Kirkburn: Is there any place I can buy a collection of all the books? |
| 20:54.59 | Kirkburn | There's a new compilation out called "Warcraft Archive" with 4 of them |
| 20:55.28 | Kirkburn | I got them all from Amazon |
| 20:55.50 | Kirkburn | Apart from one of the War of the Ancients books which Amazon didn't stock for some reason, so got thru the Amazon marketplace |
| 20:56.02 | Kirkburn | (this being Amazon.co.uk, of course) |
| 20:56.11 | grimman | Hm, I can get the Archive one for cheap. Amazing. |
| 20:56.22 | grimman | 613 pages? |
| 20:56.31 | Kirkburn | That's it |
| 20:56.42 | grimman | Goodie. |
| 20:56.53 | Kirkburn | 3 main stories and a short one by Chris Metzen |
| 20:57.04 | grimman | :) |
| 20:58.20 | Kirkburn | Hey, waitasec, I didn't realise Nekros was ingame |
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| 20:58.36 | Kirkburn | Bastard, I'll have to go back there and gank him again a few times |
| 20:58.37 | Amro | Hi! |
| 20:58.44 | Kirkburn | uh, hi :) |
| 20:59.17 | Kirkburn | (Ah wait, Nek'rosh not Nekros, it's his son, that makes more sense) |
| 20:59.20 | Amro | I'm trying to filter spam from the default chat frame. I don't wnt to parse each and every single message. Any ideas? |
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| 21:00.00 | Kaso | how can you work out if its what you want to filter or now without parsing all the messages? |
| 21:00.48 | Amro | its only a channel message that im looking for, which fires a different event. |
| 21:00.57 | Amro | problem is, would my addon get the message first? |
| 21:01.01 | Amro | er, the event |
| 21:01.46 | Kaso | if you want to block things showing up on the ChatFrame you need to hook it's addmessage or onevent rather than registering the event yourself |
| 21:01.49 | |FF|Im2good4u | is there maxuim size to a variable name in lua ? |
| 21:02.47 | |FF|Im2good4u | since i always write everything fully i get names lile "RaidLeaderAssist_Interface_Event_Variables_Loaded" lol |
| 21:03.08 | Amro | Right Kaso, but at that point I'd be parsing all messages |
| 21:03.23 | Kirkburn | grimman, oh, one other bit of DB-related news - 'VoM' (I think the server switchers) got into the beta :P |
| 21:03.28 | Amro | does the default chat frame have a way to remove the last line? |
| 21:04.06 | Kaso | Nope, youre stuck with hooking |
| 21:04.07 | Amro | oh but nevermind, that wouldn't be good |
| 21:04.19 | grimman | Kirkburn: I seem to recall hearing about such a thing, yes. |
| 21:04.22 | Kaso | but parsing it all isnt a huge problem |
| 21:04.29 | Kaso | check out http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Hook_chat_frames_to_modify_or_suppress_messages |
| 21:04.42 | Amro | I know, but unecessary cycles are... unnecessary :) |
| 21:04.47 | Amro | I like to optimize |
| 21:04.50 | Amro | thanks for the link |
| 21:05.24 | Kaso | what exactly are you supressing |
| 21:06.51 | Amro | that's prettty much what im doing. I'm suppressing Darkshore World Defense spam. It's useless for Horde, there's a troll village there without anything but trolls that don't talk, and some pally has taken a liking to killing them. |
| 21:07.05 | Amro | usually we send a guy over to kill him, but we'd like to suppress the spam |
| 21:09.06 | VoidRaider | Does LUA supports the ternary operator the way C++, C# does ? I know it does for values e.g. done = (value == true) etc ... |
| 21:09.57 | Kaso | you'd want to hook ChatFrame_OnEvent, and you can put a simple if statement to check if its a local defense message then a quick "^Somewhere is under attack" string find, it'd barely be any impact |
| 21:10.09 | Maldivia | VoidRaider: what are you trying to do ? |
| 21:10.50 | Maldivia | VoidRaider: in some sense x = (a > b) and (yes) or (no); |
| 21:10.55 | Amro | ah, forgot about the OnEvent handlers. thanks Kaso :) |
| 21:14.43 | VoidRaider | yeah Maldivia, would it work ? also x = (n1 or n2) ? |
| 21:15.41 | Maldivia | yeah |
| 21:16.06 | Maldivia | x = n1 or n2; would result in n1 (if n1 is not null and not false), n2 otherwise |
| 21:16.08 | VoidRaider | ah ok thx |
| 21:16.28 | VoidRaider | ah great :) |
| 21:17.37 | Maldivia | x and y; returns x, if x is false or null, y otherwise |
| 21:18.22 | VoidRaider | yeah got it :D |
| 21:20.03 | Maldivia | also remember, lua doesn't do a full boolean evaluation, so: x() and y(); <-- if x() returns false/nil, y() is never executed |
| 21:21.00 | VoidRaider | ohh |
| 21:21.47 | VoidRaider | thanks mate :) |
| 21:23.02 | |FF|Im2good4u | i like that system since i can avoid errors whit it like if x and y[x] then wont make an error if x is nil |
| 21:23.59 | VoidRaider | yeah true, it has some sense :) |
| 21:24.51 | VoidRaider | what bothers me a bit in LUA is the VB syntax haha |
| 21:25.55 | VoidRaider | I like to use semantics more, it makes it easier :P |
| 21:26.57 | VoidRaider | but generally it's great language :) |
| 21:33.03 | Kaso | i find my productivity on writing addons goes up 10000% when the beta servers are down |
| 21:33.21 | |FF|Im2good4u | \ |
| 21:33.29 | |FF|Im2good4u | lol kaso |
| 21:33.45 | |FF|Im2good4u | iv been at beta but i dont wana know everything of ourland yet so i kinda stoppped it ;P |
| 21:34.49 | |FF|Im2good4u | VoidRaider: wut do u mean whit semantics? |
| 21:35.10 | Teomyr | and i'm still waiting for my key :/ |
| 21:36.11 | |FF|Im2good4u | some guy was selling a BC key ingame for gold :P |
| 21:36.23 | Teomyr | lol |
| 21:36.24 | VoidRaider | semantics means like if(x) { } the brackets syntax is much more easier for me |
| 21:36.46 | |FF|Im2good4u | ah that way |
| 21:36.48 | VoidRaider | then using if() then end etc |
| 21:37.06 | |FF|Im2good4u | yeh i had to get used to it aswel when i left from C :P |
| 21:37.42 | VoidRaider | :) |
| 21:38.53 | |FF|Im2good4u | also the thing that u do not need to decleare a variable bothered me at the beginning since i can easly miss-spell one name and lua would accept it. |
| 21:39.06 | VoidRaider | yup |
| 21:39.37 | grimman | Hehe, VB has an option to turn on such functionality. ;D |
| 21:39.45 | Mery | I think it's a good exercise for you (|FF|Im2good4u) to learn to type with more care! |
| 21:39.56 | |FF|Im2good4u | Mery it isnt |
| 21:40.18 | |FF|Im2good4u | im used to copy pasting every varriable name its not efficient but its safe :p |
| 21:40.30 | Mery | (it is meant kinda ironic) |
| 21:40.41 | Mery | oh I usually copy paste alot of names too |
| 21:40.52 | VoidRaider | Yeah Strict Options however VB also has alot of things you can't control that can result alot of mistakes |
| 21:41.00 | VoidRaider | Option* |
| 21:41.00 | Mery | the problem is if I got a typo and then actually type the name somehwere else |
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| 21:41.08 | grimman | Of course. It's the very nature of VB, isn't it? |
| 21:41.09 | grimman | ;D |
| 21:41.13 | VoidRaider | :D |
| 21:41.16 | Mery | it costs me at least 10 min to figure out |
| 21:42.55 | |FF|Im2good4u | yeh me 2 |
| 21:43.14 | |FF|Im2good4u | i rewrote half of my RaidLeaderAssist becase i spelled Riad :p |
| 21:43.30 | Kaso | Does anyone know how the lines with gems on tooltips work now? |
| 21:43.37 | |FF|Im2good4u | i do! |
| 21:43.42 | |FF|Im2good4u | i searched it all out :P |
| 21:43.48 | Maldivia | there are textures in the tooltip |
| 21:43.50 | Maldivia | that are set |
| 21:43.51 | grimman | Oh my, a new Steven Seagal movie. The moviesphere is crumbling. ;P |
| 21:44.10 | Kaso | is there anywhere i can read up about how it works? |
| 21:44.21 | |FF|Im2good4u | i gues not yet :P |
| 21:44.37 | Kaso | or can you tell me, how i'd go about making a line with a gem on it |
| 21:44.49 | |FF|Im2good4u | but just like u can add lines to a tooltip u can also add 4 textures to it |
| 21:45.13 | Kaso | how? |
| 21:45.26 | Maldivia | GameTooltipTexture1:SetTexture(...) GameTooltipTexture1:Show() GameTooltipTexture1:SetPoint("LEFT", GameTooltipTextLeft8, "LEFT") |
| 21:45.43 | Kaso | sweet |
| 21:45.49 | Maldivia | well, that would probably work :) |
| 21:45.52 | Kaso | and you say there are 4 textures? |
| 21:45.59 | Maldivia | 8 textuyres |
| 21:46.06 | Kaso | hokay |
| 21:46.08 | |FF|Im2good4u | there is a simpel GameTooltip:AddTexture aswel but its called different |
| 21:46.09 | Kaso | cool ty muchly |
| 21:46.26 | Maldivia | ok, the add texture method might be better :) |
| 21:46.41 | Kaso | AddTexture(texture,line) is it? |
| 21:46.55 | Maldivia | try a /run GameTooltip:AddTexture() |
| 21:47.01 | Maldivia | and see if you get a syntax |
| 21:47.08 | Kaso | i cant get onto beta |
| 21:47.12 | Cide | nope |
| 21:47.18 | Cide | silently fails |
| 21:47.25 | Cide | well |
| 21:47.29 | Cide | silently succeeds I suppose |
| 21:47.38 | Cide | it shifts the text to the right |
| 21:47.47 | |FF|Im2good4u | GameTooltip:AddTexture("Interface\\PaperDollInfoFrame\\SpellSchoolIcon"..i); |
| 21:47.59 | Maldivia | AddTextures sets the texture for the last line you added |
| 21:48.00 | Cide | but :Show() doesn't make the tooltip wider |
| 21:48.09 | Kaso | t9u8r0n8i1p |
| 21:48.13 | VoidRaider | Do creation of frames dynamically using CreateFrame have any issues nor limits I need to know about ? |
| 21:48.26 | Kaso | they cant be removed |
| 21:48.34 | Cide | nor can frames created in xml |
| 21:48.49 | Kaso | well, true. |
| 21:48.51 | VoidRaider | true, but thats reasonable |
| 21:49.02 | |FF|Im2good4u | isnt the onl prob that dynamicly created frames use more cpu at the time of creation ? |
| 21:49.03 | Cide | VoidRaider: 1) you can't set an OnLoad handler and expect it to run, 2) you can't create virtual frames |
| 21:49.22 | VoidRaider | oh ok great :) |
| 21:49.55 | |FF|Im2good4u | i personaly sux at xml so i use CreateFrame a lot :P |
| 21:50.03 | VoidRaider | haha :D |
| 21:50.15 | Maldivia | frames created with CreateFrame, inherits it's security-settings from it's parent |
| 21:50.15 | Cide | sucksing at XML must... suck |
| 21:50.35 | Cide | Maldivia: isn't that also true with xml? |
| 21:50.41 | |FF|Im2good4u | well i use WoW UI Desinger to make the basic ui :p |
| 21:51.04 | Maldivia | Cide: yeah |
| 21:51.17 | Cide | thought so |
| 21:51.26 | Maldivia | but it can be used, in conjunction with the SecureRaidHeader etc, to make child frames, that can also be altered |
| 21:52.26 | VoidRaider | So where can I safely initialize it after onload ? would it be safe to do the creation inside the event VARIABLES_LOADED ? |
| 21:52.30 | Kirkburn | I find Tempest Keep's lack of Outland disturbing ... |
| 21:52.58 | Maldivia | it was just to point out the difference between f=CreateFrame("Frame", nil, nil, "SecureFrameTemplate") f:SetParent(parent) and f=CreateFrame("Frame", nil, parent, "SecureFrameTemplate") |
| 21:53.01 | |FF|Im2good4u | VoidRaider: after creation :P |
| 21:53.28 | VoidRaider | :P |
| 21:53.29 | |FF|Im2good4u | u create it and after that u can do stuff whit it in the same function |
| 21:53.39 | VoidRaider | ah ok :) |
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| 21:53.58 | VoidRaider | thx :D |
| 21:54.12 | Maldivia | VoidRaider: depends what you're making... if the frames needs to be created depending on some saved variables, it would be logical to postpone the initialization of the frames till after the variuables had been loadedr |
| 21:55.20 | |FF|Im2good4u | hmm tru but if u create the frame later on while playing ingame that event never fires again |
| 21:55.54 | VoidRaider | hmm |
| 21:55.55 | Cide | if you do it after, your variables are already loaded so the point is void |
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| 21:56.49 | VoidRaider | *confused* :P if I create the frame I need to recreate it everytime I use it Oo ? |
| 21:56.56 | Mery | no |
| 21:57.38 | VoidRaider | sure the event will never fire again but I need to create the frames only once :P |
| 21:58.01 | Mery | the only thing with creating it in reaction to SAVED_VARIABLES is that saved variables gets only fired once at startup, in the case you make your addon Load on Demand you won't get a VARIABLES_LOADED |
| 21:58.17 | Mery | so you could move it into ADDON_LOADED and arg1 == "AddonName" |
| 21:58.19 | VoidRaider | ahh ok :) |
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| 22:01.10 | Mery | that SAVED_VARIABLES should have been VARIABLES_LOADED but I guess you got it =) |
| 22:02.11 | VoidRaider | yeah lol :) |
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| 22:20.50 | Kirkburn | Argh, someone shout at Blizzard to restart Tempest Keep :( |
| 22:20.58 | Maldivia | it's down? |
| 22:21.01 | Kirkburn | C'mon, take a drive to Irvine |
| 22:21.06 | Kirkburn | Outland is |
| 22:21.25 | Maldivia | glad I have a test char in SW?:) |
| 22:25.42 | Maldivia | Shard of the Virtuous, main hand mace, +299 healing... lvl 70 epic from Karazhan... |
| 22:26.38 | Cide | pretty similar to Hand of Eternity |
| 22:26.45 | Kaso | Kirkburn |
| 22:26.51 | Kirkburn | Kaso |
| 22:26.55 | Kaso | restart in 15 |
| 22:27.09 | Kirkburn | woot |
| 22:27.27 | KaoS` | how is the multi open gl on the intel macs in the 2.0 beta patch ? |
| 22:27.29 | VoidRaider | I'm always near Og, safe place haha :) |
| 22:30.25 | Maldivia | Cide: hmm, yeah |
| 22:30.36 | Maldivia | Cide: it's just weird seeing that high numbers in a 1hander |
| 22:30.44 | Cide | yeah :) |
| 22:30.49 | Cide | it's crazy |
| 22:31.10 | Maldivia | twisting neather is the highest lvl60, right? |
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| 22:32.09 | Cide | think so |
| 22:32.31 | Cide | I wish there were more stats though |
| 22:32.46 | Cide | right now, it feels like healer progression = more +healing |
| 22:33.00 | Cide | sure it helps, but it's boring |
| 22:33.33 | Maldivia | well, 1handers has always been low stats, but high dmg/healing |
| 22:33.47 | Maldivia | and staves have been high stats, and lower dmg/healing |
| 22:34.21 | Cide | yeah, but most healing staves are just +15-30 int, +15-40 stamina, +X healing |
| 22:35.05 | Maldivia | Staff of Infinite Mysteries, 55 stam, 46 int, 18 hit, 159 dmg |
| 22:35.21 | Cide | that's a dps caster staff |
| 22:35.30 | Cide | spell hit is useless for healers |
| 22:35.34 | Maldivia | I know |
| 22:35.46 | Maldivia | haven't foind a single epic healer staff yet |
| 22:35.49 | Maldivia | lvl 70 |
| 22:35.54 | Cide | unrelated, that's a pretty awesome staff |
| 22:36.11 | Gello | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:36.35 | Maldivia | well, you have hit so you can MC better... hehe |
| 22:37.04 | Cide | well, how I see it |
| 22:37.44 | Cide | caster stats: spell hit, spell crit, spell penetration, mana regen(spi/mp5), +dmg, +healing, int, sta |
| 22:37.54 | Maldivia | spr |
| 22:38.00 | Cide | that's under mana regen |
| 22:38.04 | Maldivia | yeah, noticed :) |
| 22:38.24 | Cide | all but +healing are useful for dps casters, whereas +healing, int, sta & mana regen are the only useful ones for healers |
| 22:38.36 | Cide | leaving 4 totally useless stats in most cases |
| 22:38.52 | Maldivia | yeah, crits are useless for healing.. |
| 22:39.09 | Cide | they are, in current content :) |
| 22:39.25 | Maldivia | well, I'd rather have consistant healing, that spiky healing |
| 22:40.09 | Maldivia | but then again, what would you use spell hit and spell penetration for, when healing? |
| 22:40.46 | Cide | you wouldn't |
| 22:40.52 | Cide | I'm just ranting about the lack of unique healer stats |
| 22:41.06 | Cide | dps casters have 4, healers have one |
| 22:41.07 | Maldivia | they should just add more healer procs |
| 22:41.44 | Cide | as long as they're not called Holy Concentration (worst talent ever) |
| 22:41.49 | Maldivia | hehe |
| 22:42.09 | Maldivia | I love Clearcasting on my mage :) |
| 22:48.54 | Tem | Clearcasting is HUGE in raids |
| 22:49.06 | Cide | what's the proc rate? |
| 22:49.09 | Tem | 10% |
| 22:49.26 | Cide | roughly twice that of holy concentration |
| 22:49.44 | Tem | you get a proc and cast arcane missiles |
| 22:50.03 | Cide | holy concentration comes down to a ~8-10% mana reduction on two spells |
| 22:50.23 | Tem | ah, clearcast is 100% reduction on 10% of spells |
| 22:50.35 | Tem | but you can get better than 10% if you use it well |
| 22:51.01 | Cide | it'd be a 6% reduction if it'd be exact |
| 22:51.08 | Cide | but a bit more factoring in mana regen |
| 22:51.17 | Cide | improved healing, two tiers above (that is, a "weaker" talent), is 15% |
| 22:51.35 | Cide | and it's reliable |
| 22:55.25 | Maldivia | Tem: Clearcasting is useless with arcane missiles in beta :| |
| 22:55.34 | Tem | why's that? |
| 22:55.44 | Maldivia | well, if you spec deep arcane anyway |
| 22:55.54 | Maldivia | the talent that gives you +30% crit from clearcasting |
| 22:56.22 | Maldivia | but since Arcane Missiles is a channeled spell, the mana is lost when you begin the cast, thus you loose the +30% crit before the first bolt is fired |
| 22:56.58 | Maldivia | so well, clearcasting ins't useless, but it's improved talent is, |
| 22:58.44 | Tem | Maldivia, hah, I hadn't thought of that |
| 22:59.04 | Maldivia | really bad design from Blizzard |
| 22:59.08 | Tem | I tried a deep arcane spec and hated every moment of it |
| 22:59.42 | Maldivia | a 40,18,3 or 40,21,0 build can be really deadly |
| 23:01.13 | Maldivia | +25% dmg from int (with talents, 4.6 int = 1 dmg), +3% post-dmg, +3% crit, +30% crit on |
| 23:01.31 | Maldivia | on clearcasting, +50% crit damage, and ignite on top of that |
| 23:01.52 | Maldivia | ehh, not 4.6 :) |
| 23:02.25 | Maldivia | 3.5 :) |
| 23:02.39 | Maldivia | or something like that |
| 23:03.46 | Maldivia | if you're a gnome, Arcane Intellect (+31) adds 10 damage |
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| 23:07.32 | Tem | Maldivia, the extra spell damage is nice, but I found thta 5/5 Fire Power gave me the same bonus |
| 23:07.50 | Tem | now, my crits were a few hundred damage more |
| 23:08.07 | Maldivia | the problem with fire power, is that's it's pre-dmg |
| 23:08.11 | Maldivia | so it doesnt scale |
| 23:08.13 | Tem | no it's not |
| 23:08.18 | Tem | it *does* scale :) |
| 23:08.25 | Maldivia | when did they change that? |
| 23:08.31 | Tem | it's always been that way |
| 23:08.50 | Tem | same way that Peircing ice is after damage |
| 23:08.53 | Cide | they changed all healing spells to be post-+healing |
| 23:08.58 | Maldivia | piercing ice is pre-damage |
| 23:09.03 | Tem | nope |
| 23:09.11 | Maldivia | YES |
| 23:09.11 | Cide | and most (all?) damage spells have been post-+damage |
| 23:09.20 | Cide | did something change in expansion? |
| 23:09.33 | Tem | the frostbolt multiplier is 3/3.5*.95*1.06 |
| 23:09.39 | Maldivia | Arcane Instability is post now, used to be pre aswell |
| 23:09.48 | Tem | no idea about that one |
| 23:10.06 | Maldivia | the +6% frost is pre on live |
| 23:10.14 | Tem | 3/3.5 (cast time) * .95 (snare penalty) * 1.06 (3/3 peicing ice) |
| 23:10.16 | Tem | no it's not! |
| 23:11.00 | Maldivia | Noticed how your tooltip update when you put points in it? |
| 23:11.25 | Maldivia | meaning, it alters the BASE damage - meaning it's before dmg gear and other modifiers |
| 23:11.47 | Cide | are you sure? :) |
| 23:11.56 | Tem | why then does the formula I just posted acrruately describe how much bonus from spell damage frostbolt gets? |
| 23:12.25 | Maldivia | I have no idea why it does for you, because it doesn't for me |
| 23:12.33 | Tem | have you tested? |
| 23:12.41 | Maldivia | yes, a lot |
| 23:12.42 | Cide | Maldivia: if you have (base + dmg*coefficient) * bonus, the bonus would apply to both base and dmg*coeffient obviously, so it'd make sense to update the base value in the tooltip to me |
| 23:12.44 | Tem | because I have |
| 23:12.54 | Cide | I don't know which is true though, I'll let you sort that out! |
| 23:13.13 | Maldivia | Cide: there's a difference on base*1.06 + dmgmod vs (base + dmgmod)*1.06 |
| 23:13.25 | Cide | yes |
| 23:13.42 | Cide | but it would increase the base value in both cases, so it'd make sense to update the tooltip in both cases as well |
| 23:13.56 | Tem | hmm, I wonder |
| 23:14.10 | Cide | no idea if it *does* that in practice, that's just how I would do it as a designer |
| 23:15.32 | Tem | Maldivia, If you trust Theorycraft, his forumla agrees with me |
| 23:16.50 | Kirkburn | Woo, Soulshatter :D |
| 23:18.52 | Maldivia | let me do some tests |
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| 23:22.34 | Cide | grrrr |
| 23:22.51 | Cide | I forgot that the game doesn't allow for moving more than one object at a time with :StartMoving |
| 23:22.55 | Mikma | http://wow.reaktio.net/beam.jpg |
| 23:23.00 | Mikma | btw, I died. |
| 23:23.41 | Cide | need more NR, Mikma |
| 23:24.18 | Mikma | think so? |
| 23:24.23 | Cide | japp |
| 23:24.30 | Kirkburn | I'm guessing so did everyone else |
| 23:24.36 | Cide | uhhh |
| 23:24.49 | Cide | why'd I type that in swedish? |
| 23:24.57 | Cide | must've been because I was having another conversation in swedish |
| 23:25.07 | Kirkburn | Non lo so |
| 23:25.12 | Cide | while talking to my family in swedish |
| 23:25.40 | Cide | short circuit for the win! |
| 23:29.48 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Gryphen (n=masked@c-71-227-151-230.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 23:37.02 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Mike-N-Go (n=Mike@64.193.93.197) |
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| 23:40.05 | Mike-N-Go | Hello. |
| 23:40.13 | zenzelezz | wb |
| 23:41.15 | Kirkburn | I need a beta guide: "What to do at level 66" |
| 23:41.38 | Cide | simple; get to 67 |
| 23:41.51 | Cide | :) |
| 23:41.53 | Tain | I get my kicks on level 66. |
| 23:41.56 | Kirkburn | argh :) |
| 23:43.10 | Cide | ok, I need to settle a debate |
| 23:43.18 | Cide | keira knightley or angelina jolie? |
| 23:43.42 | Maldivia | neither |
| 23:43.54 | Cide | that's not a valid vote! |
| 23:44.22 | Mike-N-Go | I finished my addon 'LFG/LFG Helper' http://pastey.net/2735 |
| 23:44.45 | Kirkburn | Angelina Jolie, just |
| 23:44.47 | Mery | I vote for Keira! |
| 23:45.08 | Kirkburn | I like my women to exist in more than 2 dimensions :) |
| 23:45.11 | Mike-N-Go | As long as party is not spread across a raid, and no one is disconnected, it will work. |
| 23:45.15 | Mikma | Cide: keira |
| 23:45.17 | Cide | haha, Kirkburn |
| 23:45.22 | Cide | I agree |
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| 23:45.53 | Mikma | angelina is bi. that's a plus but keira is still better. she likes corsets |
| 23:45.56 | Maldivia | Mike: just in time for the next patch, where the LFG channel has been removed |
| 23:46.08 | Kirkburn | But it's a close one, since Keira is british, and nice :) |
| 23:47.58 | Cide | hah |
| 23:48.05 | Cide | keira is owning it up, it seems |
| 23:48.23 | Tain | Jolie has more than two dimensions. Her lips are a dimension of their own. |
| 23:50.02 | Cide | hahaha |
| 23:50.05 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 23:53.08 | Kirkburn | Wunderbar, what an informative sentence: "Alliance and Horde towns exist respectively" |
| 23:53.27 | Cide | haha, REALLY? ;) |
| 23:53.40 | Kirkburn | This is a description of Terokkar :P |
| 23:54.02 | Kirkburn | Respective to what, one wonders ... |
| 23:54.36 | Kirkburn | I was just looking for more quests - never thought to visit the lake in northern Terokkar |
| 23:54.39 | Cide | to mars' position on the sky |
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| 23:56.15 | Kirkburn | One of the Blades Edge Mountains quests is kinda hard to complete - you're supposed to find Toshley in the gnome town |
| 23:56.24 | Kirkburn | Pity he doesn't and never has existed in the game |
| 23:56.36 | Saroz | l2p |
| 23:56.38 | Kirkburn | Despite, uh, the town being named after him |
| 23:57.07 | Kirkburn | Awesome cannon though =) |
