irclog2html for #wowi-lounge on 20061115

`00:00.47`	`SP\|Sorren`	`beta pvp server just poop out?`
`00:01.05`	`SP\|Sorren`	`nvm`
`00:01.13`	`End`	`well`
`00:01.17`	`End`	`I can't seem to log back in`
`00:01.27`	`End`	`'hey interesting`
`00:01.29`	`wereHamster`	`U've heard the 'open beta' starts tomorrow.. is that true?`
`00:01.33`	`End`	`"Test Server US PvE"`
`00:01.35`	`End`	`it's the PTR`
`00:01.42`	`End`	`that starts tomarrow`
`00:01.43`	`End`	`I think`
`00:02.10`	`SP\|Sorren`	`it let me back in`
`00:02.37`	`wereHamster`	`will the 'closed beta' servers stay up? I don'`
`00:02.55`	`wereHamster`	`t want to have to wait in the big login queues for the PTRs`
`00:03.05`	`Thunder_Child`	`yes because the ptr doesnt have outlands`
`00:03.06`	`End`	`yeah, it just let me back in too`
`00:03.29`	`wereHamster`	`what's the PTR for then?`
`00:03.34`	`Thunder_Child`	`everyone`
`00:03.40`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge ckknight (n=ckknight@198.199.136.121)`
`00:03.44`	`End`	`anyone not in beta who wants to test out non-expansion specific stuff`
`00:03.49`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`It`
`00:03.56`	`End`	`talents, ui stuff, etc`
`00:04.06`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`yeah`
`00:04.07`	`wereHamster`	`is 'non-expansion specific stuff' more tahn the UI changes?`
`00:04.24`	`wereHamster`	`ah.. talents`
`00:04.53`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`talents and some minor game functionality`
`00:04.53`	`cogwheel`	`Yep. There's actually a lot of expansion UI stuff that won't make it in until BC is actually released`
`00:04.54`	`cogwheel`	`stuff they're still working on like the macro options`
`00:05.24`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`that reminds me, I need to update the Macro guide for the new stuff`
`00:05.27`	`ckknight`	`cogwheel, I think that'll go into 2.0, honestly. Not like the PTR won't be patched.`
`00:05.52`	`cogwheel`	`ckknight: PTR = 2.0.1. BC Beta = 2.0.2`
`00:06.18`	`cogwheel`	`also: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=36975623&sid=1&pageNo=9#172`
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`00:11.57`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`hrm`
`00:12.13`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`what's the script command for bringing up the talent window`
`00:13.00`	`End`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:13.11`	`End`	`it'll load the ondemand blizzard if it isn't loaded already too`
`00:13.24`	`End`	`er, on demand blizzard addon`
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`00:14.09`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`not working`
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`00:14.12`	`End`	`hmm`
`00:14.15`	`End`	`works for me`
`00:14.22`	`End`	`what level are you?`
`00:14.26`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`on 1.12 or 2.0?`
`00:14.27`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`1`
`00:14.33`	`End`	`ah`
`00:14.42`	`End`	`well, that function aborts if you are <10`
`00:14.47`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`doh`
`00:14.52`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`you used to be able to see them`
`00:14.53`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`:[`
`00:15.17`	`End`	`it's defined in UIParent.lua, you could look and do the load and show steps by hand`
`00:15.40`	`DrDre`	`i wish i could find out how to disable this thing in FF2 where it wont let you "Open" .zip's from WoWI :( hate having to save them ><`
`00:15.52`	`DrDre`	`i think its how its a redirect it forces dl for security ;/`
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`00:16.49`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`you can DrDre`
`00:16.52`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`it's pretty easy`
`00:16.54`	`DrDre`	`how?`
`00:16.55`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`lemme find it`
`00:17.03`	`DrDre`	`i looked for it before and couldnt find it`
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`00:18.36`	`Thunder_Child`	`how do i paste in a large block of text?`
`00:18.47`	`DrDre`	`http://wowi.pastey.net`
`00:18.59`	`Thunder_Child`	`that wont work for purl`
`00:19.28`	`DrDre`	`why do you need to paste to purl?`
`00:19.29`	`Cairenn`	`something that huge that it'll flood you out shouldn't be being programmed into purl in the first place`
`00:19.40`	`GremWarsong`	`Does anyone know anything about 'CreateWorldMapArrowFrame("frame")'`
`00:19.55`	`Thunder_Child`	`it's just responses`
`00:20.10`	`GremWarsong`	`?`
`00:20.10`	`End`	`random responses?`
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`00:20.33`	`Thunder_Child`	`emulation responses`
`00:23.21`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=2590390#2590390`
`00:23.25`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`there you go DrDre`
`00:25.18`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`// hide featured choice`
`00:25.18`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`this.mDialog.document.getElementById("normalBox").collapsed = false;`
`00:25.24`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`is the one you need`
`00:25.36`	`DrDre`	`thx`
`00:26.11`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`firefox made it so it chooses based on how the file is presented`
`00:26.37`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`just so happens that wowi's are presented in the way it considers it save only`
`00:26.50`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`search for "hide feature" in the file and just change true to false on the next line`
`00:31.32`	`haste`	`phyber: lol, they only show the core parts on the warmup image :D`
`00:31.53`	`haste`	`phyber: and the outdoors module`
`00:33.10`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`ck, if you read it, Cartographer was working pretty good last night`
`00:34.48`	`End`	`hmm`
`00:35.01`	`End`	`hmm`
`00:35.03`	`End`	`oops`
`00:35.16`	`End`	`my internet had a hiccup`
`00:35.23`	`End`	`er, net connection`
`00:35.24`	`End`	`whatever`
`00:43.16`	`Thunder_Child`	`is anyone else having problems getting to the char transfer page for either the PTR or the Beta?`
`00:43.48`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`considering they just opened PTR's, good luck`
`00:44.42`	`Thunder_Child`	`seems i am going to need it`
`00:45.55`	`Thunder_Child`	`is there a mod that allows you to rearange your buffs anywhich way you want?`
`00:47.41`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Mike-N-Go (n=Mike@64.193.93.197)`
`00:48.31`	`ckknight`	`Garoun\|Loupana, cool stuff.`
`00:55.11`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Guillotine (n=Guilloti@ns.motek-services.com)`
`00:56.14`	`Thunder_Child`	`hey Guillotine`
`00:56.20`	`Guillotine`	`hiya :)`
`00:56.29`	`cladhaire`	`damn.. no more screwed up chars on teh ptr`
`00:56.30`	`cladhaire`	`=(`
`00:59.30`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Antiarc (n=Chris@ip68-2-219-112.ph.ph.cox.net)`
`01:00.47`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`I ripped some of the fubar stuff out of devla's pack just so I could test faster... Trinity bars are nice considering my DAB doesn't work anymore`
`01:06.19`	`Cairenn`	`well guys, feel free to tell them what you think of them uploading your mods without your permission: http://www.mmoupdate.com/downloads.php`
`01:06.48`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Did they download them all and repost them?`
`01:07.16`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`another site doing it?`
`01:07.22`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`or is taht the same one from a long time ago`
`01:07.29`	`Cairenn`	`nope, new one`
`01:08.06`	`Cairenn`	`as obvious by this: http://www.mmoupdate.com/forums.php`
`01:08.28`	`ScytheBlade1`	`"Welcome to MMO Update! Soon To become the largest MMORPG Database on the web." <-- lol`
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`01:09.57`	`ckknight`	`Cairenn, lol, 1 thread.`
`01:10.32`	`ckknight`	`now let's see if they stole my addons.`
`01:10.42`	`Antiarc`	`I'm just trying to figure out how to navigate it.`
`01:11.29`	`cladhaire`	`there are two of us online`
`01:11.31`	`cladhaire`	`me and administrator.`
`01:12.23`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I find it ironic that Decursive is in their top 10 downloaded`
`01:12.29`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`odd, there's no way those files were downloaded 2350 times`
`01:12.35`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`some of them taht is`
`01:12.59`	`Kaso`	`maybe the stole the download count too?`
`01:13.01`	`Antiarc`	`You know...`
`01:13.09`	`Antiarc`	`It looks like they've spent some time seeding the Google search results`
`01:13.09`	`Antiarc`	`http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Ammoupdate.com+sanity&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a`
`01:13.22`	`Thunder_Child`	`looks like they have thr correct authors though`
`01:13.26`	`Thunder_Child`	`Name: AceGui 0.9.1`
`01:13.26`	`Thunder_Child`	`Author: Kaelten`
`01:13.37`	`tem`	`not exactly`
`01:13.42`	`Thunder_Child`	`no?`
`01:13.44`	`tem`	`Turan wrote AceGUI`
`01:13.45`	`Cide`	`Thunder_Child, yep: CT_RaidAssist. Author: Unknown`
`01:13.52`	`Antiarc`	`hahahah`
`01:13.54`	`Thunder_Child`	`heh`
`01:13.58`	`Thunder_Child`	`see, that one is correct`
`01:13.59`	`ScytheBlade1`	`wow, impressice`
`01:14.01`	`ScytheBlade1`	`*impressive`
`01:14.09`	`ScytheBlade1`	`"Divorce Decision-Decide if divorce is the answer"`
`01:14.13`	`Guillotine`	`I propose legal action! I want $$$!!!!!`
`01:14.15`	`Thunder_Child`	`ok tem`
`01:14.21`	`Kaso`	`ha`
`01:14.24`	`Kaso`	`he stole mine`
`01:14.29`	`Kaso`	`my crappy addons`
`01:14.30`	`Cide`	`Downloads: 6469. total downloads on site: 130`
`01:14.37`	`nymbia`	`lol`
`01:14.38`	`Cide`	`does not compute`
`01:14.38`	`Antiarc`	`Hahahahahahah`
`01:14.45`	`Antiarc`	`They're borrowing other sites' download numbers?!`
`01:14.46`	`cladhaire`	`HAHAH`
`01:14.47`	`cladhaire`	`read the front page`
`01:14.52`	`cladhaire`	`http://www.mmoupdate.com/index.php?`
`01:14.53`	`cladhaire`	`i can post news.`
`01:14.55`	`cladhaire`	`so i did`
`01:15.00`	`ScytheBlade1`	`LOL`
`01:15.07`	`Antiarc`	`Oh snap.`
`01:15.13`	`Kaso`	`wtf?`
`01:15.14`	`nymbia`	`hahahaha`
`01:15.14`	`Cide`	`hahaha`
`01:15.15`	`Kaso`	`haha`
`01:15.18`	`Antiarc`	`OWNT.`
`01:15.20`	`zenzelezz`	`lol`
`01:15.21`	`Antiarc`	`And screenshotted.`
`01:15.24`	`Kaso`	`thats awesome`
`01:15.29`	`DrDre`	`http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5176-Joker%60s_BC-Mod-Pack.html needs to be moved`
`01:15.32`	`Cairenn`	`hahahhahaahahaha`
`01:15.47`	`DrDre`	`for one its just his SV's with a .url file to the pack, in which none of them are even BC ready`
`01:15.53`	`End`	`cladhaire: that's pretty good right there ;p`
`01:15.53`	`Thunder_Child`	`if you know ppls emails.... http://www.mmoupdate.com/sendmessage.php?do=sendtofriend&t=2`
`01:16.32`	`Cairenn`	`oh, you guys need to just go ahead and respond to that, that's perfect!`
`01:16.57`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`I'm guessing you just logged in clad after registering :) and they didn't set up their priv's properly :P`
`01:17.25`	`cladhaire`	`wink`
`01:17.33`	`ckknight`	`cladhaire, good work`
`01:17.39`	`cladhaire`	`heh thx.`
`01:17.42`	`ckknight`	`I don't want to register with them, but I want to tell them off.`
`01:17.43`	`haste`	`haha`
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`01:18.41`	`tem`	`LOL clad`
`01:18.43`	`Cide`	`everyone with a mod there should register and spam their news in my opinion`
`01:18.50`	`ckknight`	`spam their news?`
`01:18.57`	`cladhaire`	`i'm pissed.`
`01:19.01`	`cladhaire`	`they only posted WatchDog`
`01:19.04`	`cladhaire`	`Praid and Clique arne't there`
`01:19.09`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`their news forum has general posting rights`
`01:19.09`	`cladhaire`	`which means they stole from curse.`
`01:19.14`	`tem`	`looks like they pulled addons from ui.wow and curse`
`01:19.19`	`tem`	`none of my addons are there`
`01:19.27`	`ckknight`	`ooh, let's see if FuBar 1.2 is there.`
`01:19.31`	`tem`	`granted, I'm not a popular author anymore`
`01:19.38`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`but they borrowed the setup from wowinterface`
`01:19.41`	`cladhaire`	`CURSE`
`01:19.44`	`cladhaire`	`they got it from curse.`
`01:19.45`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`notice it's the same web setup`
`01:19.51`	`Gryphen`	`vBulletin 3.6.0`
`01:19.51`	`cladhaire`	`i have one addon there that i have never ever posted anywhere else =)`
`01:19.56`	`Gryphen`	`prob not even legal install of vB`
`01:20.54`	`Thunder_Child`	`agree with cladhaire`
`01:21.23`	`Thunder_Child`	`i*`
`01:21.43`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`see if you have permission to remove files`
`01:22.01`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`and just remove your addons`
`01:22.13`	`Gryphen`	`the cms is common vB`
`01:22.24`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Only yours though... nuking the entire database would be wrong =)`
`01:22.26`	`Gryphen`	`doubt they targeted wowi look`
`01:22.32`	`cladhaire`	`Neuro_Medivh: Thats no fun`
`01:23.01`	`cladhaire`	`Cide: what happened to your post?`
`01:23.02`	`Gryphen`	`a lot of it is standard plugin, doubt he can code heh`
`01:23.17`	`Cide`	`dunno, I didn't delete it`
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`01:24.07`	`cladhaire`	`he's in tennessee`
`01:24.08`	`cladhaire`	`eew`
`01:24.12`	`norgs`	`you can tell a lot about a site from their error messages: "Parse error: parse error, unexpected '}' in /homepages/18/d91187162/htdocs/mmoupdate_old/downloads.php on line 243"`
`01:24.23`	`Cairenn`	`oh oh oh ...`
`01:24.31`	`DrDre`	`lol`
`01:24.37`	`Antiarc`	`Hahahahahahahah, wow.`
`01:24.57`	`Gryphen`	`1and1 hosting, $2 hosting`
`01:25.08`	`cladhaire`	`I saved an html dump of their front page.`
`01:25.08`	`Cairenn`	`"brilliant security idea allowing random people to post to the front page too" ... "I wonder if the escape html properly? It's almost worth checking out :)" ... "so tempting to register the username "Adminstrator" and post "We know we ripped everyone off, we are proud of it. There is absolutely nothing you can do. Hah, suckers.""`
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`01:25.11`	`Antiarc`	`Hm, your post disappeared, Cide.`
`01:25.13`	`Cairenn`	`from another channel`
`01:25.15`	`Gryphen`	`10 visitors will bring the site down`
`01:25.17`	`Gryphen`	`lol`
`01:25.33`	`Cide`	`most likely deleted Antiarc`
`01:25.47`	`Antiarc`	`Aye`
`01:25.54`	`cladhaire`	`he kept mind`
`01:25.55`	`cladhaire`	`mine`
`01:25.56`	`cladhaire`	`hehe`
`01:26.01`	`DrDre`	`lol`
`01:26.32`	`Antiarc`	`Or he hasn't figured out how to delete it yet. One of the two. :)`
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`01:27.27`	`Cairenn`	`"brilliant security idea allowing random people to post to the front page too" ... "I wonder if the escape html properly? It's almost worth checking out :)" ... "so tempting to register the username "Adminstrator" and post "We know we ripped everyone off, we are proud of it. There is absolutely nothing you can do. Hah, suckers.""`
`01:27.56`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`The administrator is online right now too`
`01:27.59`	`Cairenn`	`whistles an innocent little tune ... I'd never suggest any such thing to a group of hackers like you guys`
`01:28.06`	`ckknight`	`cladhaire, think I should be a complete dick and say that any mods which include libraries I've written should be taken down?`
`01:28.12`	`DrDre`	`VB needs to have a way to check for piracy :P`
`01:28.14`	`ckknight`	`or just talk about FuBar?`
`01:28.16`	`norgs`	`well, you know that they found a htmlspecialchars and htmlentities overflow bug in php just the other day, right?`
`01:28.21`	`Antiarc`	`Ooh, I like the dick route.`
`01:28.23`	`Cairenn`	`ckknight: yes`
`01:28.27`	`cladhaire`	`hehe`
`01:28.29`	`DrDre`	`i know Invisions secrete parameter to check for license info on IPB`
`01:28.30`	`ckknight`	`Cairenn, to which?`
`01:28.35`	`tem`	`ckknight, I'd say only FuBar`
`01:28.38`	`cladhaire`	`i didn't want to go there, since he only stole watchdog and page on press, technically`
`01:28.42`	`norgs`	`so even if they do escape properly, you're damned if you do, damned if you don't`
`01:28.54`	`ckknight`	`fair enough, I'll just talk about FuBar`
`01:29.15`	`cladhaire`	`http://artificialtruth.com/mmoupdate/`
`01:29.19`	`cladhaire`	`in case they remove it.`
`01:29.36`	`Antiarc`	`I screenshotted it, too.`
`01:29.38`	`Shadowed`	`nice cladhaire`
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`01:30.01`	`ckknight`	`lol, cladhaire`
`01:30.10`	`Guillotine`	`heh, you can put <script> into their forums`
`01:30.13`	`Guillotine`	`just not onto the front page`
`01:30.16`	`ckknight`	`alright, I posted.`
`01:30.18`	`Gryphen`	`DrDre, they do just not for you. http://www.vbulletin.com/piracy.php`
`01:30.23`	`DrDre`	`lol`
`01:30.31`	`ckknight`	`<script>window.close()</script>`
`01:30.52`	`cladhaire`	`get rid of that post.`
`01:30.59`	`cladhaire`	`i'm PMing with the admin`
`01:31.02`	`cladhaire`	`we'll see how this goes`
`01:31.14`	`DrDre`	`?ipscheck=1&key=ipscheck$1@@`
`01:31.16`	`Cairenn`	`so I should hold off on my post on the Blizz forum?`
`01:31.18`	`DrDre`	`put that on an IPB board`
`01:31.22`	`DrDre`	`and u can see license info`
`01:31.37`	`cladhaire`	`Cairenn: Give me 20 minutes.. see if i can get him to wipe his database completely`
`01:31.40`	`cladhaire`	`which is my current push`
`01:31.42`	`Antiarc`	`<script>window.history.go(-1);</script>`
`01:31.45`	`DrDre`	`http://forums.fanetworks.net//?ipscheck=1&key=ipscheck$1@@ = legit results, pirated will usually show the crackers group name on it`
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`01:32.20`	`Cairenn`	`okay ... 20 minutes, then a post goes up on WoWI and Blizz UI forum, just making authors aware of the site. what people choose to do from there, is, as always, their business`
`01:32.45`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Theft of content is a big nono`
`01:32.54`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`regardless of who contributed it`
`01:32.58`	`Thunder_Child`	`as it is this site will have a bad stigma attached to it`
`01:33.13`	`Shadowed`	`heh`
`01:33.21`	`Shadowed`	`I though IPB removed the ipscheck since people always would show it`
`01:33.21`	`Gryphen`	`http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/search.html?forumId=11114&characterId=469107815&sid=1`
`01:33.22`	`cladhaire`	`nvm`
`01:33.24`	`cladhaire`	`post it Cairenn`
`01:33.24`	`Guillotine`	`Ahhh, this is fine. Lets make an infinite loop in their forums :D`
`01:33.24`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`They obviously want to be a curse-gaming/allakhazam copy`
`01:33.33`	`Cairenn`	`oh, that's not an acceptable response (imo) ... the new post`
`01:33.42`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`clad, did they give you attitude?`
`01:33.50`	`cladhaire`	`no but they didn't give me what i asked for`
`01:33.50`	`DrDre`	`nothing much u can do with the info Shadowed:`
`01:33.52`	`cladhaire`	`and he deleted my post.`
`01:33.55`	`DrDre`	`if ur not IPS staff :P`
`01:34.00`	`DrDre`	`so no real reason to take it out`
`01:34.12`	`Shadowed`	`DrDre: IPS removed the ability to get the info back in like 2.0 because people were doing witch hunts over it`
`01:34.19`	`Shadowed`	`I used to be staff at one of the resource sites :p`
`01:34.31`	`DrDre`	`its been there since 2.1.5 >_>`
`01:34.54`	`DrDre`	`maybe they changed it? cause someone brute forced the hash lol`
`01:34.56`	`DrDre`	`and figured it out`
`01:35.00`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Xuerian (n=core@12-196-151-128.psknet.net)`
`01:35.01`	`Shadowed`	`I guess`
`01:35.01`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge [Cu]Werik (i=peterkov@catv5403B088.pool.t-online.hu)`
`01:35.10`	`DrDre`	`i mean as in changing the old method they removed`
`01:35.13`	`Guillotine`	`my /leeroy addon is on their site 7 times`
`01:35.16`	`Cairenn`	`http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=47298364&postId=472448280&sid=1#0`
`01:35.22`	`Shadowed`	`yeah`
`01:35.43`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`I really hate the 1.5s pause any time you do anything in the BC client like my shifting and stuff`
`01:35.59`	`ckknight`	`hehe, posted to their news, let's see how long it lasts`
`01:36.02`	`cladhaire`	`anyone can claim any addon that they want.`
`01:36.10`	`cladhaire`	`just click "claim this addon:"`
`01:36.14`	`Shadowed`	`ooo`
`01:36.16`	`Shadowed`	`i want to own decursive`
`01:36.17`	`Shadowed`	`sec`
`01:36.26`	`Thunder_Child`	`lol`
`01:36.27`	`ckknight`	`I should claim titan.`
`01:36.28`	`Gryphen`	`what can you do with a claimed addon?`
`01:36.28`	`cladhaire`	`i own ctmod and ctraidassist`
`01:36.30`	`Gryphen`	`delete?`
`01:36.35`	`Antiarc`	`Obviously, the new user mod_thief needs to claim anything that's not claimed.`
`01:36.37`	`Thunder_Child`	`claim them all and delte them`
`01:36.39`	`Shadowed`	`http://www.mmoupdate.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=451`
`01:36.42`	`DrDre`	`he removed clads`
`01:36.43`	`Shadowed`	`he cant even copy and paste well :(`
`01:36.45`	`Thunder_Child`	`delete*`
`01:36.47`	`DrDre`	`and posted something new`
`01:37.19`	`ckknight`	`Antiarc, sounds good to me.`
`01:38.04`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`You know he's just hoping for traffic so the gold selling ads can go up`
`01:38.08`	`DrDre`	`those buttons look familiar`
`01:38.12`	`DrDre`	`the download/quote buttons`
`01:38.16`	`DrDre`	`where did i see them at?`
`01:38.18`	`Tain`	`Why, how much are they selling gold for?`
`01:38.24`	`Shadowed`	`50$ for 1000g`
`01:38.24`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`is there even a way to get to shadowmoon valley yet?`
`01:38.29`	`Gryphen`	`you can get the buttons from the fankit`
`01:38.35`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`lol, no idea, I'm just assuming that's their point`
`01:38.48`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`I was looking at the map, and I see where a road appears to go.... but there's a mountain range in teh way :P`
`01:38.52`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`there's no reason for another addon site at this point, besides just wanting ad revenue`
`01:38.53`	`Guillotine`	`Try to claim a mod now and it says "Disabled: Currently Under Maintenance - removing mods authors dont want here. P"`
`01:39.02`	`DrDre`	`theres ads on that site?`
`01:39.02`	`Shadowed`	`lol`
`01:39.06`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`No`
`01:39.14`	`DrDre`	`cuz i didnt see any lol`
`01:39.17`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`I'm simply making a prediction`
`01:39.22`	`cladhaire`	`anyone else get a database error?`
`01:39.25`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`you have to have traffic before you can have adds =)`
`01:39.31`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`er, ads`
`01:39.55`	`Shadowed`	`ckk your post is gone :(`
`01:39.59`	`cladhaire`	`I'm grabbing Cide, gello's and my own addons.`
`01:40.01`	`DrDre`	`clad is the top contributor!`
`01:40.02`	`Gryphen`	`he can have an adsense account started from another site`
`01:40.46`	`Gryphen`	`there are ads`
`01:40.47`	`Cide`	`cladhaire: THIEF!`
`01:40.53`	`Kirkburn`	`Argh, and there's ClearFont :/`
`01:40.55`	`cladhaire`	`Cide: Stop being slow!`
`01:40.59`	`Cide`	`:)`
`01:41.00`	`Cide`	`busy coding!`
`01:41.15`	`Cide`	`actually now I'm solving a linear equation and it's taking days because I'm so tired`
`01:41.39`	`ckknight`	`Disabled: Currently Under Maintenance - removing mods authors dont want here. P`
`01:41.42`	`Thunder_Child`	`Disabled: Currently Under Maintenance - removing mods authors dont want here. P`
`01:41.44`	`Thunder_Child`	`heh`
`01:41.45`	`ckknight`	`lol`
`01:41.54`	`Thunder_Child`	`damn he/she got smart`
`01:41.57`	`cladhaire`	`i have 673 addons`
`01:41.58`	`cladhaire`	`63`
`01:42.01`	`cladhaire`	`and i can still claim`
`01:42.02`	`cladhaire`	`=)`
`01:42.03`	`Shadowed`	`lol`
`01:42.18`	`ckknight`	`fun`
`01:42.19`	`ckknight`	`claim em all`
`01:42.40`	`Kirkburn`	`cladhaire, thanks`
`01:42.40`	`Tain`	`Gotta claim 'em all! Pokemon!`
`01:43.08`	`Dolby-wowi`	`ROFL`
`01:43.09`	`Kaso`	`So, he's going down the "im putting it up, you gotta take it down" method that ebaum made famous? i got a sandwich and missed out no whats happening`
`01:43.29`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Maybe the guy just somehow got ahold of Curse-gaming's database? Like a former member or something?`
`01:43.43`	`ckknight`	`Kaso, apparently.`
`01:43.48`	`Kaso`	`hm, sucky`
`01:43.49`	`ckknight`	`hey Dolby-wowi`
`01:43.58`	`Kaso`	`anyone told net or anyone about this?`
`01:44.04`	`ckknight`	`Werik knows.`
`01:44.05`	`Antiarc`	`"Better to ask forgiveness than permission", apparently.`
`01:44.18`	`Thunder_Child`	`thats going to bit him in the ass`
`01:44.22`	`[Cu]Werik`	`?`
`01:44.22`	`cladhaire`	`its definitely their database`
`01:44.24`	`Thunder_Child`	`bite*`
`01:44.26`	`cladhaire`	`or at least part of their database`
`01:44.28`	`Kaso`	`oh heloo ther`
`01:44.45`	`Cairenn`	`there are curse staff in here, there are ui.wow.net staff in here by times too`
`01:44.46`	`Dolby-wowi`	`Hey Ckknight`
`01:44.51`	`Guillotine`	`Kaso: we know :)`
`01:44.51`	`[Cu]Werik`	`We know about it yet, not much to do tho`
`01:44.55`	`[Cu]Werik`	`yes*`
`01:45.04`	`ckknight`	`threaten phony legal action, like me`
`01:45.07`	`cladhaire`	`I'm fighting the good fight`
`01:45.10`	`Guillotine`	`thats what we're doing :D`
`01:45.10`	`cladhaire`	`I own over 93 addons now`
`01:45.13`	`Cairenn`	`this is an mod author community channel, not a wowi channel`
`01:45.16`	`Thunder_Child`	`:kill them all, and let god sort it out"`
`01:45.18`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`go go clad!`
`01:45.18`	`cladhaire`	`anyone i know didn't expressly give them permission`
`01:45.28`	`[Cu]Werik`	`It's pointless to threaten them`
`01:45.29`	`Thunder_Child`	`s/:/"/`
`01:45.46`	`cladhaire`	`damn`
`01:45.51`	`cladhaire`	`i can't get to their site right now.`
`01:45.54`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`on a completely different note....`
`01:45.55`	`ckknight`	`aw.`
`01:46.24`	`ckknight`	`Garoun\|Loupana, hrm?`
`01:46.24`	`cladhaire`	`i bet i'm still winning tho`
`01:46.24`	`cladhaire`	`i was claiming anything that was asked to be removed.`
`01:46.24`	`nymbia`	`hahaha`
`01:46.24`	`Gryphen`	`zeeg just signed up, Curse knows`
`01:46.25`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`I never could figure out how my gear DROPS durability when I haven't done anything!`
`01:46.33`	`Guillotine`	`Garoun: fall damage`
`01:46.36`	`Guillotine`	`and fire damage`
`01:46.36`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`nope`
`01:46.37`	`cladhaire`	`I have 87 addons atm.`
`01:46.40`	`cladhaire`	`sigh`
`01:46.41`	`[Cu]Werik`	`:))`
`01:46.42`	`Kaso`	`haha <h1>zeeg</h1> :>`
`01:46.44`	`cladhaire`	`if the site wasn't so slow i'd have more.`
`01:46.45`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`I literally walked 2 steps in Shattera`
`01:46.46`	`Gryphen`	`ya lol`
`01:46.50`	`[Cu]Werik`	`you can include scripts into the forum posts`
`01:46.55`	`cladhaire`	`yep`
`01:46.56`	`[Cu]Werik`	`do exec rm -rf`
`01:46.57`	`Guillotine`	`grats Cladhaire! theres 150 pokemon, only 63 away!`
`01:46.59`	`[Cu]Werik`	`hf`
`01:47.11`	`Cairenn`	`[Cu]Werik: repaste`
`01:47.19`	`Cairenn`	`"brilliant security idea allowing random people to post to the front page too" ... "I wonder if the escape html properly? It's almost worth checking out :)" ... "so tempting to register the username "Adminstrator" and post "We know we ripped everyone off, we are proud of it. There is absolutely nothing you can do. Hah, suckers.""`
`01:47.30`	`Dolby-wowi`	`lol his host is 1and1.com`
`01:47.40`	`Dolby-wowi`	`domain is private though`
`01:47.40`	`[Cu]Werik`	`:)`
`01:47.43`	`cladhaire`	`i hope he reads this IRC log`
`01:47.48`	`cladhaire`	`and knows he fucked with th wrong community`
`01:47.52`	`Industrial`	`^^`
`01:47.58`	`tem`	`yes lol`
`01:48.18`	`Industrial`	`dont fuck with programmers should be a general rule lol :p`
`01:48.24`	`cladhaire`	`aharper78@hotmail.com`
`01:48.25`	`Cairenn`	`ummm, yeah`
`01:48.31`	`Cairenn`	`that his email?`
`01:48.31`	`ckknight`	`lol, <h1>zeeg</h1>`
`01:48.36`	`[Cu]Werik`	`play nice guys:)`
`01:48.42`	`cladhaire`	`> Thanks for registering at MMO Update - WoW addons and WoW Mods downloads! We are glad you have chosen to be a part of our community and we hope you enjoy your stay.`
`01:48.44`	`ckknight`	`[Cu]Werik, we're too far gone, sorry.`
`01:48.48`	`cladhaire`	`I am not enjoying my time with the community.. the site isn't`
`01:48.48`	`cladhaire`	`responding at the moment =(`
`01:48.56`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Internal server error!`
`01:49.04`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`did someone nuke it?`
`01:49.07`	`cladhaire`	`[Cu]Werik: I'm the one who is "misbehaving" the most.. and I am simply claming addons so I can ask to have all of my addons removed.`
`01:49.09`	`Industrial`	`was gonna ask`
`01:49.17`	`cladhaire`	`only claiming the ones that have been asked to be removed.`
`01:49.38`	`ckknight`	`87 mods, good work, cladhaire`
`01:49.43`	`Gryphen`	`told you, [17:24:58] <Gryphen> 1and1 hosting, $2 hosting [17:25:16] <Gryphen> 10 visitors will bring the site down`
`01:49.43`	`Kaso`	`feel free to ninja any ones under "Kaso"`
`01:49.46`	`cladhaire`	`i'd be at 200 if they site didn't keep going down`
`01:50.02`	`[Cu]Werik`	`It's a good lesson for addon websites`
`01:50.08`	`[Cu]Werik`	`:(`
`01:50.18`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`zeeg is doing something`
`01:50.24`	`ckknight`	`yes. don't piss off the authors`
`01:50.28`	`cladhaire`	`you're on my list kaso =0`
`01:50.34`	`Kaso`	`good good`
`01:50.37`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`I think he's trying to redirect them to Cursegaming =)`
`01:50.40`	`[Cu]Werik`	`He is not doing anytghing Neuro_Medivh:)`
`01:50.54`	`cladhaire`	`the website is running fine`
`01:50.55`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`heheh`
`01:50.58`	`cladhaire`	`the addons section is borkedborked.`
`01:51.10`	`Thunder_Child`	`Cairenn i'm curious, how did you find it in the first place?`
`01:51.18`	`cladhaire`	`she didn't =)`
`01:51.24`	`Industrial`	`Thunder_Child: hax`
`01:51.32`	`Cairenn`	`someone linked it somewhere else`
`01:51.33`	`cladhaire`	`it lists so many addons`
`01:51.36`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Someone posted a link to it in the UI website, in the thread about decursive`
`01:51.38`	`Cairenn`	`I just got the news out`
`01:51.38`	`cladhaire`	`cause it stole every version uploaded on curse.`
`01:51.42`	`Tain`	`And I would have gotten away with it too if it weren't for you pesky kids.`
`01:51.43`	`cladhaire`	`so i have like 23 CtRaidAssists.`
`01:51.46`	`cladhaire`	`and 15 CtMod's.`
`01:51.46`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`I think it's the author`
`01:51.48`	`cladhaire`	`and 10 BigWigs.`
`01:52.04`	`Industrial`	`Tain: haha classic`
`01:52.09`	`Cide`	`cladhaire: wow, that's some nice addons under your belt!`
`01:52.14`	`cladhaire`	`*flex8`
`01:52.15`	`norgs`	`oh really [Cu]Werik ? : http://www.mmoupdate.com/showthread.php?t=8`
`01:52.16`	`Dolby-wowi`	`ROFL`
`01:52.19`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=46967877&sid=1`
`01:52.21`	`cladhaire`	`bastard didn't even think to steal PerfectRaid or Clique`
`01:52.23`	`cladhaire`	`psh`
`01:52.28`	`cladhaire`	`who says curse has all the good addons.`
`01:52.31`	`[Cu]Werik`	`that's old`
`01:53.07`	`Tain`	`I love how clad is insulted at the addons not stolen.`
`01:53.07`	`cladhaire`	`yeah, fuck that.`
`01:53.07`	`cladhaire`	`then he took page-on-press.. which i haven't worked on in liek a year and ahalf.. and my boyfriend now owns.`
`01:53.12`	`[Cu]Werik`	`It has some addons I have never ever seen tho:P`
`01:53.15`	`cladhaire`	`which means he stole the db before yesterday, cause i pulled it from curse two days ago.`
`01:53.22`	`cladhaire`	`I know.. its impressive.. he definitely didn't hit WoWi.`
`01:53.30`	`cladhaire`	`must have been too tough to scrape the html`
`01:53.39`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Valerice <- I think this is the admin`
`01:54.05`	`cladhaire`	`a hotmail account sends the account verification emails.`
`01:54.06`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`since he's the only person (aside from cairenn) who ever linked it`
`01:54.07`	`cladhaire`	`which is.. lame.`
`01:54.08`	`Gryphen`	`well the site has been up since the 23rd at least, by the news post`
`01:54.12`	`cladhaire`	`get a freaking mail mirror.`
`01:54.19`	`Cide`	`http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=46967442&postId=469043919&sid=1#3`
`01:54.19`	`Industrial`	`http://ironfroggy.blogspot.com/`
`01:54.21`	`Industrial`	`bottom page`
`01:54.30`	`Cide`	`definitely the admin`
`01:54.32`	`[Cu]Werik`	`Well, if this means anything, I can promise he wont be able to do this on the new curse site :S`
`01:54.37`	`norgs`	`cladhaire: i'm insulted... where's auctioneer?`
`01:54.57`	`ckknight`	`[Cu]Werik, how so?`
`01:54.58`	`cladhaire`	`Cide: Oh that sucks`
`01:55.02`	`cladhaire`	`Cide: hes a contract coder.`
`01:55.03`	`Tain`	`Auctioneer? Does anyone even use that old thing?`
`01:55.08`	`cladhaire`	`he's gonna lose his job O.o`
`01:55.13`	`Cide`	`heh, ouch`
`01:55.23`	`cladhaire`	`I got my self my first contract programming job, developing a site called MMOUpdate.com, which is basically like Allakazahm or tthotbot. Anyway, I'm gonna try to get back to my blogging more. Hopefully if this contract work goes well I can do that full time soon. If I get a good contract for at least three months of work before this current job is finished, I may take the plunge.`
`01:55.26`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Caboose[FH]2 (n=Caboose9@cpe-66-8-166-76.hawaii.res.rr.com)`
`01:55.27`	`[Cu]Werik`	`We will work something out.`
`01:55.31`	`Industrial`	`Check the second link. He did some Search Engine Optimalisation too - the bad way http://www.google.com/search?q=mmoupdate`
`01:55.42`	`cladhaire`	`haha`
`01:55.43`	`Cide`	`cladhaire: heh, ouch.`
`01:55.44`	`cladhaire`	`HELLO`
`01:55.46`	`cladhaire`	`get him delisted from google`
`01:55.48`	`cladhaire`	`they hate that shit`
`01:55.49`	`Industrial`	`cladhaire: :D`
`01:55.54`	`Industrial`	`cladhaire: i know I hate it too`
`01:56.01`	`ckknight`	`the bad way?`
`01:56.07`	`Industrial`	`yes, false sites and links`
`01:56.15`	`Industrial`	`the good way: making a good site so it gets indexed right`
`01:56.19`	`Industrial`	`in short`
`01:56.32`	`Cairenn`	`updated news`
`01:56.51`	`Cairenn`	`refresh the front page of the site (his, not wowi)`
`01:56.52`	`ckknight`	`Cairenn, whose news?`
`01:57.02`	`Gryphen`	`downloads.php is gone`
`01:57.13`	`Antiarc`	`INTERNAL SERVER ERROR An internal server error has occured! Please try again later.`
`01:57.14`	`Gryphen`	`not in menu either`
`01:57.18`	`SP\|Sorren`	`Oh noes!`
`01:57.26`	`ckknight`	`An internal server error has occured!`
`01:57.27`	`Kaso`	`we broke his site :<`
`01:57.30`	`ckknight`	`hehe.`
`01:57.39`	`Industrial`	`http://www.google.com/search?q=mmoupdate.com`
`01:57.42`	`Guillotine`	`lol`
`01:57.42`	`Industrial`	`fifth link`
`01:57.53`	`Industrial`	`Cusimano.com Scripts - Tools to Boost your Affiliate Sales`
`01:57.54`	`Industrial`	`kek`
`01:57.59`	`Thunder_Child`	`took 51 min to break it from when Cairenn told us`
`01:58.03`	`cladhaire`	`well no`
`01:58.04`	`cladhaire`	`he pulled it`
`01:58.06`	`cladhaire`	`we didn't break`
`01:58.07`	`cladhaire`	`sadly`
`01:58.16`	`ckknight`	`Cusimano.com Scripts - Tools to Boost your Affiliate Sales`
`01:58.18`	`Thunder_Child`	`still 51 to get a site taken down..not bad`
`01:58.18`	`ckknight`	`lol.`
`01:58.27`	`Thunder_Child`	`need to work faster next time though`
`01:58.33`	`Thunder_Child`	`chop chop`
`01:58.33`	`Antiarc`	`http://ironfroggy.blogspot.com/2005/11/about-me.html`
`01:58.34`	`cladhaire`	`<h1>zeeg</h1> just makes me laugh`
`01:58.35`	`Antiarc`	`Heh.`
`01:58.52`	`Industrial`	`oh dear lol`
`01:58.53`	`ckknight`	`yea.`
`01:58.53`	`Industrial`	`:p`
`01:58.56`	`Kaso`	`looks like he has a vb licence at least : http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/archive/index.php/t-101350.html`
`01:59.01`	`Industrial`	`wheres the <h1>zeeg</h1> ?`
`01:59.03`	`Guillotine`	`too bad he added script stripping before zeeg did that`
`01:59.10`	`Guillotine`	`Industrial: zeeg's username`
`01:59.25`	`[Cu]Werik`	`Thank god he made it, otherwise it would redirect to blacksnake now`
`01:59.26`	`Industrial`	`haha`
`02:01.09`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`do I wanna know what blacksnake is?`
`02:01.20`	`DrDre`	`lol @ http://www.mmoupdate.com/index.php`
`02:01.22`	`Guillotine`	`well, we have his name. now somebody find his phone number on the white pages`
`02:01.25`	`ckknight`	`I'm guessing an African-American penis.`
`02:01.31`	`cladhaire`	`ok... so i got a response.`
`02:01.35`	`DrDre`	`seems to be a fake page too as someone noticed the title lol`
`02:01.41`	`Industrial`	`http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/search.php?searchid=3729309`
`02:01.49`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`it can't be as bad as tbgrl`
`02:01.50`	`Industrial`	`http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=118735&highlight=mmoupdate.com`
`02:02.25`	`cladhaire`	`http://pastey.net/2463`
`02:02.32`	`Industrial`	`I like digging into other peoples foul bisuness >:)`
`02:03.19`	`Guillotine`	`Cladhaire: haha`
`02:03.25`	`norgs`	`lol cladhaire :)`
`02:03.42`	`cladhaire`	`i sent that one from the wrong email`
`02:03.42`	`ckknight`	`lol, cladhaire`
`02:03.45`	`cladhaire`	`so he doesn't know its me`
`02:03.45`	`cladhaire`	`=(`
`02:03.51`	`cladhaire`	`ooh.. a response.`
`02:04.02`	`ckknight`	`response?`
`02:04.39`	`cladhaire`	`I seriously didnt want to piss anyone off. Was never my intention. Just want`
`02:04.39`	`cladhaire`	`to have a good wow fansite.`
`02:04.42`	`cladhaire`	`yeah`
`02:04.44`	`cladhaire`	`Admin and i are buddies`
`02:04.46`	`cladhaire`	`we email each other`
`02:04.49`	`Kirkburn`	`Y'know I just noticed his name on that thread is "imported_Visions" ..... imported ....`
`02:04.49`	`DrDre`	`lol`
`02:05.03`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Imported is right!`
`02:05.17`	`Tain`	`Shut him down like Sony shut down Lik Sang!`
`02:05.18`	`DrDre`	`he shoulda jus asked CG for a copy of their htdocs folder`
`02:05.24`	`Gryphen`	`imported from vbulletintemplates`
`02:05.25`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`lol`
`02:05.26`	`Kirkburn`	`cough Stolen sough`
`02:05.47`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`I like the link Industrial found... "I want my website to look like cursegaming"`
`02:06.14`	`cladhaire`	`i feel bad for whoever this is.. just a little`
`02:06.19`	`DrDre`	`lol that index.php error is fake completely, its 400 in title bar, and other files still work`
`02:06.33`	`norgs`	`Translation: "I didn't expect anyone to have a problem with me making money off their hard work. Just want to make a quick buck"`
`02:06.46`	`Guillotine`	`awww. Calvin Spealman has an unlisted phone number :(`
`02:06.50`	`cladhaire`	`hHAHAHAHAH`
`02:06.50`	`ckknight`	`while true; do wget http://www.mmoupdate.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=161&act=down; done`
`02:06.51`	`cladhaire`	`okay`
`02:06.52`	`cladhaire`	`first`
`02:07.09`	`cladhaire`	`don't ruin this guys life`
`02:07.11`	`cladhaire`	`until i find out who it is.`
`02:07.12`	`ScytheBlade1`	`ckknight, while true; do wget -r -l0 http://www.mmiupdate.com; done;`
`02:07.14`	`cladhaire`	`the admin, or the coder.`
`02:07.15`	`DrDre`	`he jus took those pages down too lol`
`02:07.25`	`Antiarc`	`The error code for Internal Server Error is 500 anyhow.`
`02:07.27`	`ckknight`	`ScytheBlade1, mine downloads atlas.`
`02:07.35`	`ScytheBlade1`	`ckknight, mine downloads the entire site :)`
`02:07.36`	`ckknight`	`what's -r -l0?`
`02:07.39`	`ckknight`	`oh, lol`
`02:07.40`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`hahahah, http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=115661`
`02:07.40`	`Gryphen`	`nothing wrong with someone trying to make a new ui site`
`02:07.46`	`ScytheBlade1`	`-recursive -levelzero`
`02:07.46`	`Gryphen`	`just have to go about it in the right way`
`02:07.55`	`ScytheBlade1`	`(aka depth of 0)`
`02:08.01`	`ckknight`	`hehe.`
`02:08.09`	`ckknight`	`does it make sure not to stray off the site?`
`02:08.13`	`GremWarsong`	`Does anyone know how to get cursor position relative to a specific frame?`
`02:08.21`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`that guy imported_visions is apparently using some kind of 'fake' stats cheat`
`02:08.21`	`Cairenn`	`not a damn thing wrong with trying to make a new site, and if they go about it legit, I'm the first there to post wishing them luck with it`
`02:08.41`	`ckknight`	`hey, if they go legit, I'm fine with it.`
`02:08.43`	`[Cu]Werik`	`I agree`
`02:08.55`	`jaxdahl`	`man, people on the ptr are like 'how do i fly to outland?'`
`02:09.00`	`DrDre`	`lol`
`02:09.01`	`ScytheBlade1`	`haha`
`02:09.04`	`ckknight`	`lol, jaxdahl`
`02:09.09`	`ckknight`	`nubs`
`02:09.10`	`Cairenn`	`but uploading authors' mods without permission is not legit (imo)`
`02:09.11`	`Gryphen`	`epic space ship`
`02:09.14`	`Industrial`	`lol`
`02:09.20`	`norgs`	`the thing is it's difficult to achieve critical mass`
`02:09.47`	`cladhaire`	`its simple.`
`02:09.49`	`norgs`	`they want to get the gestalt the quick and dirty way`
`02:09.49`	`cladhaire`	`if you want to make a new site.`
`02:09.52`	`Dolby-wowi`	`wonder how he got his hands on the db`
`02:09.53`	`cladhaire`	`you have to do something new and innovative.`
`02:09.57`	`cladhaire`	`i have ideas on what to do`
`02:10.07`	`cladhaire`	`dolby: it was a straight scrape from the curse downloads pages.`
`02:10.10`	`Antiarc`	`Screenscrape, Dolby-wowi`
`02:10.13`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Iriel (n=daniel@adsl-71-158-244-138.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net)`
`02:10.17`	`Dolby-wowi`	`ohh spidered?`
`02:10.19`	`Industrial`	`Iriel: !`
`02:10.24`	`ckknight`	`hey Iriel`
`02:10.30`	`Industrial`	`Dolby-wowi: yes`
`02:10.54`	`cladhaire`	`Oh, and anyone who had googletalked me at cladhaire on googletalk.. i just added that account, so i can actually talk there.. i forgot i hide my real identify from you guys =)`
`02:11.12`	`ckknight`	`your real identity?`
`02:11.18`	`cladhaire`	`yes.. its sekret`
`02:11.21`	`ckknight`	`you're Jim.`
`02:11.25`	`Industrial`	`pwned`
`02:11.25`	`cladhaire`	`LIES`
`02:11.26`	`ckknight`	`your secret's out.`
`02:11.26`	`Industrial`	`lol`
`02:11.31`	`Dolby-wowi`	`haha`
`02:11.43`	`jaxdahl`	`hmm`
`02:11.47`	`jaxdahl`	`Exodar rep is on the PTR`
`02:11.56`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Iriel (n=daniel@adsl-71-158-244-138.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net)`
`02:11.57`	`ckknight`	`cool.`
`02:11.59`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Tem (n=tardmrr@204.90.50.252)`
`02:12.09`	`cladhaire`	`yeah, i have a draenai and a belf on the ptr`
`02:12.13`	`ckknight`	`mmoupdate's back...`
`02:12.17`	`cladhaire`	`better than the first PTR when they were bugged to shit.`
`02:12.23`	`Dolby-wowi`	`site is back up`
`02:12.48`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`actually, he's lucky he got caught so early`
`02:13.08`	`cladhaire`	`earlyu is right`
`02:13.09`	`jaxdahl`	`if you have a draenei in exodar`
`02:13.09`	`cladhaire`	`i was user 7`
`02:13.10`	`cladhaire`	`=)`
`02:13.12`	`jaxdahl`	`then copy it over`
`02:13.20`	`jaxdahl`	`where will it show up on the ptr`
`02:13.21`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`if he had built a huge database then announced a grand opening or some such, he would have been slammed MUCH harder`
`02:13.32`	`cladhaire`	`huh? I can make new draenai`
`02:13.36`	`Kirkburn`	`ClearFont ... "Date Added: 07-19-2006" ... how is that possible :/`
`02:13.37`	`jaxdahl`	`on the ptr?`
`02:13.45`	`cladhaire`	`yes`
`02:13.52`	`jaxdahl`	`the same one i am on?`
`02:13.53`	`DrDre`	`if ur keyed for beta`
`02:13.56`	`DrDre`	`u can create them on ptr`
`02:14.01`	`cladhaire`	`Kirkburn: Thats august 19, 2006`
`02:14.04`	`cladhaire`	`US date/times`
`02:14.04`	`jaxdahl`	`nobody shows up if i do /who exodar`
`02:14.09`	`cladhaire`	`okay`
`02:14.12`	`cladhaire`	`its not the chris guy or whoever`
`02:14.13`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`july actually`
`02:14.15`	`ckknight`	`lol, the addons section no longer has a link to it from the front page.`
`02:14.16`	`cladhaire`	`so dont ruin his life.`
`02:14.21`	`Gryphen`	`http://www.google.com/search?q=clearfont+07%2d19%2d2006`
`02:14.22`	`Guillotine`	`alright`
`02:15.03`	`Tain`	`His life can't be all that great to begin with, I wouldn't worry too much.`
`02:15.10`	`Guillotine`	`haha`
`02:15.16`	`cladhaire`	`Wobin is my best stalker.. he sends me cookied.`
`02:15.17`	`Kirkburn`	`Strangely old, was my point :P`
`02:15.20`	`cladhaire`	`s/ied/ies/`
`02:16.05`	`jaxdahl`	`~250 people in elwynn forest`
`02:16.10`	`jaxdahl`	`and the server is handling it fine it seems`
`02:16.21`	`Industrial`	`jaxdahl: why how where?`
`02:16.27`	`Kirkburn`	`Hmm, perhaps I should copy a blood elf :P`
`02:16.36`	`Kaso`	`wtf, i just googled one of my addons and found this, http://stocksins.free.fr/Coldia/ a directory listing with my helpfile pasted onto the end ^_-`
`02:16.59`	`jaxdahl`	`Industrial, the ptr`
`02:17.00`	`Kirkburn`	`weird`
`02:17.45`	`Industrial`	`Kaso: hello thar! http://stocksins.free.fr/Coldia/DSC_0018.JPG`
`02:18.14`	`Tain`	`Goddamnit.`
`02:18.20`	`Tain`	`cladhaire just crrashed my Trillian.`
`02:18.28`	`cladhaire`	`cackle`
`02:18.33`	`cladhaire`	`its was my huge black.. sock.`
`02:18.34`	`Thunder_Child`	`gratz cladhaire`
`02:18.39`	`Kaso`	`that isnt me.`
`02:18.41`	`Tain`	`Tried to add as a contact and bam closed`
`02:18.46`	`[Cu]Werik`	`Yes, Trillian is famouse for being hard to make it crash`
`02:18.57`	`cladhaire`	`trillian is sketchy.. i never foudn a client for w32 i liked.`
`02:19.19`	`[Cu]Werik`	`Still better than msn tho:P`
`02:19.31`	`Tain`	`Yeah but its the only one that does everything in one that I manage`
`02:19.38`	`Tain`	`Actually I prefer centericq`
`02:20.00`	`[Cu]Werik`	`I know I am stupid, but I use it for chatting, just like mobilephones for phoning :P`
`02:20.37`	`SP\|Sorren`	`i use my mobilephone for phoning :p`
`02:20.42`	`cladhaire`	`Kirkburn: What cell phone carrier do I want next year?`
`02:20.49`	`SP\|Sorren`	`i'd drop the pots if i didnt have to pay extra for dsl over it`
`02:20.50`	`Tain`	`Not Nextel.`
`02:20.52`	`cladhaire`	`Orange, Vodophone, Tmobile?`
`02:21.01`	`Industrial`	`Orange.`
`02:21.05`	`Kirkburn`	`I'm on Vodafone, personally`
`02:21.20`	`Kirkburn`	`There's not a huge difference between them`
`02:22.01`	`Kirkburn`	`Check the offers, basically :) Thinking of going Pay-as-you-go or contract?`
`02:22.22`	`cladhaire`	`not sure`
`02:22.28`	`cladhaire`	`just need to be able to call the BF for free`
`02:22.49`	`Kirkburn`	`Heh, well, I'm on a contract, works well for me`
`02:22.55`	`Kirkburn`	`Lots of free minutes a month`
`02:23.02`	`cladhaire`	`i'd probably go on contract`
`02:23.07`	`cladhaire`	`the deals aren't that bad compared to here.`
`02:23.17`	`Kirkburn`	`18 months is the normal length`
`02:23.26`	`cladhaire`	`nod`
`02:23.28`	`cladhaire`	`i've got four years.`
`02:23.36`	`Kirkburn`	`That, uh, should be fine ;)`
`02:23.42`	`cladhaire`	`i have to make sure i have a mobile, and a net connection.`
`02:23.48`	`cladhaire`	`the house is just secondary to all of that`
`02:24.09`	`cladhaire`	`ahem`
`02:24.09`	`Tain`	`You know I used to spend a lot of time in a day making sure I could make free phone calls.`
`02:24.12`	`Tain`	`Ah the good ol days.`
`02:24.17`	`cladhaire`	`Calvin Spielman is not responsible for this site.`
`02:24.27`	`cladhaire`	`so you should all leave commenrts on his blog saying its good he didn't get involved =)`
`02:24.37`	`SP\|Sorren`	`oh?`
`02:24.49`	`cladhaire`	`it never came through, is the message i'm getting`
`02:24.59`	`cladhaire`	`i'm your mmoupdate ouija board.`
`02:25.29`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge gnorlish (n=jaydee@70-38-3-21.vnnyca.adelphia.net)`
`02:25.30`	`Kirkburn`	`I love how there's a vendor in Shattrath whose whole point is to con people out of money`
`02:25.57`	`Kaso`	`you mean my soap on a robe doesnt make me smell better!`
`02:26.05`	`Kirkburn`	`hehehe`
`02:27.04`	`Kaso`	`i hope they never fix Surge of light, triple procs are so awesome.`
`02:27.24`	`kaiden`	`that a pally ability?`
`02:27.29`	`Kaso`	`priest`
`02:27.33`	`cladhaire`	`whats it do?`
`02:27.38`	`cladhaire`	`is that the insta-smite?`
`02:27.41`	`Kaso`	`yes`
`02:27.47`	`cladhaire`	`its fun`
`02:28.30`	`Kaso`	`if it stays as it is, this holy/disc spec is better for grinding than shadow pretty much`
`02:28.52`	`Kaso`	`but i know it wont :<`
`02:28.58`	`cladhaire`	`can you post it`
`02:29.03`	`cladhaire`	`i want to see it`
`02:29.09`	`Kaso`	`post what?`
`02:29.41`	`Kaso`	`a triple proc ? or the talent`
`02:30.59`	`cladhaire`	`the talent build`
`02:31.01`	`cladhaire`	`sorry -=)`
`02:31.09`	`Kaso`	`oh`
`02:31.58`	`Kirkburn`	`What in the hell is a DEER doing in Terokkar?`
`02:32.15`	`SP\|Sorren`	`it migrated through the dark portal`
`02:32.20`	`SP\|Sorren`	`it wanted to see the spaceship`
`02:32.36`	`cladhaire`	`mm spaceship`
`02:32.50`	`Kaso`	`spam inc : http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/bc-priest/talents.html?050232013310012000000205450002020052000000500000000000000000000`
`02:33.07`	`SP\|Sorren`	`i cant wait till starcraft 2 where dreani are the new race!`
`02:33.12`	`cladhaire`	`wowhead.com my friend =)`
`02:33.15`	`ckknight`	`...`
`02:33.17`	`ckknight`	`no, SP\|Sorren`
`02:33.21`	`SP\|Sorren`	`;p`
`02:33.42`	`Kaso`	`well ive already made that one out, so cope :>`
`02:33.47`	`cladhaire`	`Kaso: I dunno.. 41 Disc works really nice =)`
`02:33.56`	`cladhaire`	`the PWS is... pimp.shit.`
`02:34.12`	`cladhaire`	`but i like that build.`
`02:34.12`	`cladhaire`	`=)`
`02:34.16`	`Kaso`	`Reflective shield was very pretty when i tried it, but pain suprresion was mind blowing useless`
`02:34.41`	`cladhaire`	`oh yeah, thats'w aht i meant`
`02:34.49`	`cladhaire`	`pain suppression is a godly PVP talent`
`02:34.52`	`cladhaire`	`for arena`
`02:35.07`	`cladhaire`	`i'd go 41 deep every time.`
`02:35.16`	`Kaso`	`ah, well i dont pvp like ever, so to me it was just a talent to fire when the shitty tank couldnt keep aggo in blood furness`
`02:35.33`	`cladhaire`	`hehe no, its great.. you can pop it instant cast every single arena match`
`02:35.41`	`cladhaire`	`and 60% when the rogue is on you is a lot of mitigation =)`
`02:35.45`	`cladhaire`	`that + a shield == nice :P`
`02:36.20`	`Kaso`	`well yes. when i did have it i couldnt help noticed how i felt like a paladin with both my bubbles up, aint nothing getting through that in 8seconds`
`02:38.06`	`Thunder_Child`	`including air`
`02:39.11`	`Kaso`	`grimman\|afkish: that one Primal might took a stupid amount of effort to get`
`02:39.53`	`Kaso`	`ffs, i hate this autocomplete`
`02:40.02`	`Kaso`	`if i start a setance with "man" it always mucks up`
`02:41.01`	`Kirkburn`	`Stop living in the 80s? ;)`
`02:41.18`	`cladhaire`	`damnit.. i can't post news anymore =)`
`02:41.24`	`nymbia`	`haha`
`02:44.11`	`cladhaire`	`oh, for those who didn't see it:`
`02:44.12`	`cladhaire`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Addon_Communication/Cooldowns`
`02:47.30`	`ckknight`	`hrm`
`02:47.32`	`ckknight`	`okay...`
`02:47.57`	`Kaso`	`what happens when someone joins the raid part way through a cooldown ?`
`02:48.13`	`SP\|Sorren`	`is TargetByName() completely gone?`
`02:48.22`	`Kaso`	`not gone, just protected`
`02:48.57`	`Kaso`	`oh.. wait`
`02:49.01`	`SP\|Sorren`	`i'd have to call it from a securetemplate then (or something like that?)`
`02:49.14`	`SP\|Sorren`	`or is it blizzard only always?`
`02:49.24`	`Kaso`	`ok, im talking out of my ass`
`02:49.38`	`SP\|Sorren`	`okay then.`
`02:50.06`	`Kaso`	`ah`
`02:50.18`	`Kaso`	`TargetByName has been included in TargetUnit i think`
`02:50.38`	`SP\|Sorren`	`oh?`
`02:50.42`	`ckknight`	`yep`
`02:50.46`	`Cide`	`yes`
`02:50.51`	`SP\|Sorren`	`thanks`
`02:51.07`	`SP\|Sorren`	`still would have to call it from a securetemplate right?`
`02:51.21`	`SP\|Sorren`	`or can i not call it at all?`
`02:51.22`	`zenzelezz`	`you know... the major drawback to using headphones is when there's faint ambient noises... and you keep wondering if they're in the game or in your house`
`02:52.13`	`SP\|Sorren`	`you could turn the sound up so the ambience is not so faint :P`
`02:52.42`	`zenzelezz`	`the non-ambience stuff would then threaten to hurt my hearing`
`02:53.01`	`Thunder_Child`	`use speakers?`
`02:53.14`	`SP\|Sorren`	`speakers wake the dead.`
`02:53.20`	`zenzelezz`	`not at four in the morning, the rest of the house wants to sleep`
`02:53.39`	`SP\|Sorren`	`you could turn your sound down`
`02:53.46`	`SP\|Sorren`	`so you could no longer hear the ambience at all`
`02:53.46`	`SP\|Sorren`	`:P`
`02:54.20`	`Industrial`	`zenzelezz: im loving the ambience. when you alt tab the beta client the sound doesnt go away; im coding while sitting in a forest`
`02:55.02`	`Thunder_Child`	`i havent heard the sound of WoW in over a year`
`02:55.22`	`Industrial`	`the tbc sound is great`
`02:55.48`	`cladhaire`	`the ambient bothered me a bit tonight`
`02:55.51`	`cladhaire`	`but my back hurts and i'm cranky`
`02:55.56`	`SP\|Sorren`	`Industrial: are you on a mac?`
`02:55.56`	`cladhaire`	`i'm chit chatting with the mmo guy`
`02:56.01`	`GremWarsong`	`Hmm`
`02:56.03`	`Industrial`	`SP\|Sorren: no, PC`
`02:56.05`	`ckknight`	`I don't like that it makes ambient sound when alt-tabbed`
`02:56.05`	`SP\|Sorren`	`really?`
`02:56.08`	`SP\|Sorren`	`my sound goes away :<`
`02:56.09`	`Industrial`	`cladhaire: :O`
`02:56.13`	`Industrial`	`SP\|Sorren: yeah really`
`02:56.21`	`GremWarsong`	`If you begin dragging/moving a frame, does it effect it's strata, parent, or ability to reposition it later?`
`02:56.25`	`SP\|Sorren`	`oh hey`
`02:56.28`	`SP\|Sorren`	`a new checkbox`
`02:56.33`	`SP\|Sorren`	`Industrial: <3`
`02:56.38`	`Industrial`	`SP\|Sorren: :3`
`02:56.44`	`GremWarsong`	`Because for some reason, after I move my frame by dragging it, it's not respondint correctly to SetPoint`
`02:57.13`	`GremWarsong`	`In other words, how does relocation by the user effect the frame?`
`02:57.21`	`Industrial`	`GremWarsong: did you Frame:ClearAllPoints() ?`
`02:57.34`	`Industrial`	`before setting its point`
`02:57.38`	`GremWarsong`	`hmm, no`
`02:57.41`	`SP\|Sorren`	`is there a fishing trainer in outland?`
`02:57.54`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Osagasu (n=Kronus@208.104.133.240)`
`02:58.04`	`GremWarsong`	`Let me try that`
`02:58.11`	`Industrial`	`they should make flying shools of fish in outland`
`02:58.17`	`Industrial`	`flyfishing :D`
`02:58.25`	`SP\|Sorren`	`that'd be awesome`
`02:58.28`	`GremWarsong`	`Wow, that worked, thanks a million Industrial!! =)`
`02:58.41`	`Industrial`	`np GremWarsong, just passing along the info :D`
`02:59.28`	`Industrial`	`and like, fishing sports and mining grounds you need a flying mount for`
`02:59.39`	`Industrial`	`(I have no idea if that exists, or if people have those mounts yet)`
`02:59.48`	`Industrial`	`spots*`
`03:00.36`	`Kaso`	`one of the first things im gonna do if/when i get a flying mount is check out all those tiny floating islands with like 1 tree on them, im sure theu'll be some cool npc hiding on one of them`
`03:01.20`	`Industrial`	`one of the first.. wait back to making my addons work`
`03:01.20`	`SP\|Sorren`	`Kaso: all the NPC will do is ask "Why are you all the way out here?" :P`
`03:01.41`	`Kaso`	`ha`
`03:02.25`	`Industrial`	`"ogm leet k reward heres some healsauce flyboy heal"`
`03:02.37`	`Industrial`	`"kthxbye"`
`03:03.41`	`cladhaire`	`Okay, the mmoupdate.com guy wants me to pass on to "The community" that he did't have any malicious intent, and he thought he was just taking examples of what other people had, and using those basic guidelines`
`03:03.55`	`cladhaire`	`And we caught him with his pants down.. literally, but he's glad he found out now, rather than later`
`03:03.56`	`Tain`	`Burn him!`
`03:04.19`	`AnduinLothar`	`does he weigh as much as a duck?`
`03:04.20`	`ckknight`	`burn the pants!`
`03:04.27`	`cladhaire`	`the downloads section is being wiped, and authors are welcome to put their addons up there`
`03:04.29`	`cladhaire`	`message off.`
`03:04.33`	`ckknight`	`sounds good.`
`03:04.36`	`cladhaire`	`so wasn't heroes really good last night?`
`03:04.36`	`Industrial`	`yay`
`03:04.52`	`AnduinLothar`	`shhh i havent watched it yet`
`03:04.56`	`[Cu]Werik`	`So basically, he sentenced his site to death`
`03:05.03`	`ckknight`	`you know what I miss from Ubuntu? the naked people.`
`03:05.13`	`Industrial`	`ckknight: er?`
`03:05.18`	`Tem`	`I'm sorry, I'm not really into Pokemon`
`03:05.32`	`cladhaire`	`AnduinLother: Would you get yout laptop already?`
`03:05.40`	`ckknight`	`Tem, lol.`
`03:05.49`	`ckknight`	`xkcd ftw.`
`03:06.02`	`ckknight`	`Industrial, they had naked people as wallpapers and such for like 6 months`
`03:06.07`	`AnduinLothar`	`it's not a laptop, but..... sure... I'll go knock off the fedex driver`
`03:06.07`	`Tem`	`wait, what?`
`03:06.11`	`Tem`	`someone got that joke?`
`03:06.16`	`Tem`	`Huzzah!`
`03:06.56`	`Industrial`	`ckknight: oh lol`
`03:07.33`	`cladhaire`	`speaking of naked people`
`03:07.40`	`cladhaire`	`how about the zune orgasm install pic?`
`03:08.12`	`cladhaire`	`http://faruk.newsvine.com/_news/2006/11/12/438632-zune-install-screen-raises-eyebrows`
`03:08.14`	`Industrial`	`Can anyone HALP!11 me for a sec with SecureStateHeader and adding keybinds to my buttons?`
`03:08.32`	`cladhaire`	`hyeah`
`03:08.33`	`cladhaire`	`just ask`
`03:08.36`	`cladhaire`	`and don't say HALP`
`03:08.39`	`cladhaire`	`it makes me want to hit you.`
`03:08.47`	`Industrial`	`heh :P`
`03:08.51`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Gryphen (n=masked@c-71-227-151-230.hsd1.or.comcast.net)`
`03:08.51`	`AnduinLothar`	`we much prefer HLEP!`
`03:09.05`	`cladhaire`	`hlep makes me laugh everytime i see it.`
`03:09.06`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge chuckg (i=chuckg@66-237-5-116.starstream.net)`
`03:09.11`	`cladhaire`	`which is unfortunate.. since i'm supposed to hate AL.`
`03:09.12`	`AnduinLothar`	`:D`
`03:09.14`	`cladhaire`	`sigh`
`03:09.28`	`AnduinLothar`	`lol, since when?`
`03:09.35`	`cladhaire`	`CTACEMOS will be moving to http://www.mmoupdate.com. Check the news for more infoz!`
`03:09.40`	`zenzelezz`	`y u h8?`
`03:09.41`	`cladhaire`	`AnduinLothar: Someone told me that the other day`
`03:09.45`	`cladhaire`	`we're at odds.`
`03:09.48`	`cladhaire`	`zenzelezz: Did i say you could talk?`
`03:09.50`	`AnduinLothar`	`we are?`
`03:09.58`	`cladhaire`	`zenzelezz: if i want your opinion i will give it to you. kthx.`
`03:10.04`	`cladhaire`	`AnduinLothar: Apaprently`
`03:10.05`	`ckknight`	`cladhaire, http://www.lolcats.com/images/u/06/43/www.lolcats.com_img_40802142657336983635.jpg`
`03:10.11`	`cladhaire`	`i also apparently can't spell on my laptop`
`03:10.13`	`zenzelezz`	`I'm a warrior, I don't abide by permissions`
`03:10.27`	`cladhaire`	`(when you have a healer behind you, pussy!)`
`03:10.28`	`cladhaire`	`i mean hi!`
`03:10.32`	`cladhaire`	`i'm clad!`
`03:10.39`	`ckknight`	`classtime`
`03:10.41`	`AnduinLothar`	`news to me... just cause we maintain competing libs?`
`03:10.43`	`zenzelezz`	`clad in what?`
`03:10.51`	`cladhaire`	`AnduinLothar: We dont have any competing libs O.o`
`03:10.56`	`Industrial`	`http://pastey.net/2466`
`03:11.05`	`Industrial`	`hlep --^`
`03:11.10`	`AnduinLothar`	`mmm SeaHooks and AceHooks?`
`03:11.33`	`cladhaire`	`I dont' maintain acehooks.`
`03:11.36`	`cladhaire`	`=)`
`03:11.36`	`cladhaire`	`so there.`
`03:11.38`	`cladhaire`	`i dont hate you!`
`03:11.44`	`AnduinLothar`	`uh huh... suuuuure`
`03:11.47`	`Xuerian`	`Yes you do!`
`03:11.49`	`Xuerian`	`I mean uh`
`03:11.54`	`Xuerian`	`what are we talking about?`
`03:12.05`	`AnduinLothar`	`and we both use macs, we're like... brothers`
`03:12.22`	`AnduinLothar`	`lets to crusify some winblokes`
`03:12.22`	`cladhaire`	`are you old enough to drink?`
`03:12.28`	`cladhaire`	`(knowing full well that i will cry if you say no)`
`03:12.38`	`AnduinLothar`	`yes... but i'm nto drunk atm`
`03:12.44`	`cladhaire`	`i wish i was`
`03:12.52`	`cladhaire`	`it would make my attitude a bit more excusable tonight =)`
`03:12.58`	`cladhaire`	`okay`
`03:12.59`	`AnduinLothar`	`i had an apple vodka at the jazz gig last night...`
`03:13.02`	`Industrial`	`cladhaire: HALP`
`03:13.05`	`Tain`	`I'll take care of it for both of you.`
`03:13.11`	`cladhaire`	`Industrial: Ask questions you freaktard`
`03:13.12`	`cladhaire`	`or PM me.`
`03:13.14`	`cladhaire`	`GOD!`
`03:13.23`	`cladhaire`	`AnduinLothar: k.. beer when i come to CA next month,`
`03:13.24`	`Thunder_Child`	`he cant help you now`
`03:13.26`	`cladhaire`	`not that i didn't say that already`
`03:13.32`	`cladhaire`	`but i'm an alcoholic that works for a beer company`
`03:13.32`	`Kaso`	`haha freaktard :>`
`03:13.33`	`cladhaire`	`i can't help it.`
`03:13.35`	`AnduinLothar`	`mmm i have some white russian down stairs left over from liek last year..`
`03:13.39`	`AnduinLothar`	`ew beer`
`03:13.45`	`Industrial`	`Kaso: a little bit of both yeah`
`03:13.47`	`Thunder_Child`	`cladhaire where in CA?`
`03:13.47`	`AnduinLothar`	`lets get REAL drinks`
`03:14.00`	`cladhaire`	`Thunder_Child: I'm going to So.Cal for new years`
`03:14.13`	`Thunder_Child`	`i live in LA`
`03:14.16`	`cladhaire`	`AnduinLothar: What a real drink? A banana-rama margarita with a pink umbrella?`
`03:14.19`	`cladhaire`	`=)`
`03:14.31`	`AnduinLothar`	`beer is for tired blue collar workers. I only drink bitch drinks`
`03:14.32`	`cladhaire`	`Thunder_Child: I'm from upstate NY.. but my boyfriend lives in Newport Beach`
`03:14.35`	`cladhaire`	`hahah`
`03:14.37`	`cladhaire`	`smirnoff bitch`
`03:14.49`	`AnduinLothar`	`definitely. with apple pucker`
`03:14.53`	`cladhaire`	`tho my company would prefer i saw "Badardi Silver" bitch`
`03:14.54`	`Thunder_Child`	`piffle..newport`
`03:15.10`	`Tain`	`Pucker... I don't even know her.`
`03:15.23`	`AnduinLothar`	`kinda green... lil sour`
`03:15.46`	`cladhaire`	`Thunder_Child: Whats piffle?`
`03:15.55`	`cladhaire`	`Apple pucker is good stuff in bitch drinks, to be sure.`
`03:15.57`	`Thunder_Child`	`me not spelling it correctly`
`03:16.05`	`cladhaire`	`lol`
`03:16.23`	`Thunder_Child`	`as in it's nothing`
`03:16.23`	`cladhaire`	`what was it suposed to be?`
`03:16.23`	`AnduinLothar`	`nah, we need some goldschlager`
`03:16.33`	`cladhaire`	`ooh`
`03:16.33`	`cladhaire`	`i love that.`
`03:16.33`	`Thunder_Child`	`also cogwheel lives in the area as well`
`03:16.36`	`cladhaire`	`and jaeger.`
`03:16.47`	`AnduinLothar`	`jaeger's pretty good`
`03:16.53`	`Thunder_Child`	`he also works at a winery......`
`03:16.57`	`AnduinLothar`	`beats beer`
`03:17.08`	`[Cu]Werik`	`Absynth`
`03:17.12`	`cladhaire`	`Thunder_Child: If i head out that way, maybe we can get together for lunch/dinner`
`03:17.20`	`cladhaire`	`I hope to waste as much time as possible while I'm out there`
`03:17.28`	`AnduinLothar`	`havent had absynth yet`
`03:17.39`	`Thunder_Child`	`uhh....waste....crap thats means you = drunk`
`03:17.42`	`cladhaire`	`[Cu]Werik: Not for another year, but you can buy me some when I'm over there =)`
`03:18.02`	`cladhaire`	`nah, i wont be drunk`
`03:18.06`	`cladhaire`	`unless you sweet talk me.`
`03:18.20`	`[Cu]Werik`	`Heh`
`03:18.44`	`Thunder_Child`	`i hate to drink, as i have yet to find an alcohol i like the taste of`
`03:18.56`	`Thunder_Child`	`cladhaire, that wont be drunk, that will be sick`
`03:19.03`	`DrDre`	`can you move buttons in combat in tbc?`
`03:19.09`	`cladhaire`	`no`
`03:19.14`	`cladhaire`	`you can move non secure templates in combat =)`
`03:19.19`	`cladhaire`	`i.e. useless things :P`
`03:19.19`	`DrDre`	`damn preetty restrictive lol`
`03:19.25`	`DrDre`	`i was gonna say`
`03:19.31`	`DrDre`	`could make 40 buttons for raid members`
`03:19.39`	`DrDre`	`and jus move them on/off screen for Decursive lol`
`03:19.52`	`[Cu]Werik`	`I like Jim Beam. It tastes good and noone else likes it. Perfect`
`03:19.56`	`DrDre`	`but guess that idea is gone :p`
`03:19.59`	`Kaso`	`blizzard are way ahead of you :>`
`03:20.08`	`Industrial`	`cant you just make 40 buttons and show them on screen and click them?`
`03:20.19`	`Guillotine`	`yes, but then you'd need some sort of intelligence`
`03:20.20`	`Industrial`	`i.e. Grid?`
`03:20.22`	`Industrial`	`:P`
`03:20.23`	`DrDre`	`yeah but i meant like have them in order of priority`
`03:20.33`	`DrDre`	`or on top each other overlapping so u could spam click them`
`03:21.01`	`Tain`	`If intelligence was so important those brain cells would be smart enough to find a way not to be killed off by alcohol.`
`03:21.06`	`Industrial`	`you can move a background texture under the top priority one`
`03:21.11`	`Industrial`	`tadah iwin`
`03:21.30`	`Industrial`	`or another .. nonsecure frame`
`03:21.47`	`AnduinLothar`	`"A few years after its introduction, Goldschläger was reformulated to contain less gold due to some alleged accounts of individuals suffering allergic reactions."`
`03:22.04`	`Guillotine`	`we should have an addon developer's convention out in CA. Get slouken to come and everything`
`03:22.23`	`Thunder_Child`	`sounds good`
`03:22.24`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Antiarc (n=Chris@ip68-2-219-112.ph.ph.cox.net)`
`03:22.30`	`Guillotine`	`would be pretty cool. like blizzcon, but only for the smart people`
`03:22.41`	`Cairenn`	`damn, that rules me out`
`03:22.42`	`Thunder_Child`	`crap, there goes my invite`
`03:22.50`	`AnduinLothar`	`hmm. there's such a thing as butterscotch schnapps... I'm gonna have to find some..`
`03:23.02`	`Tain`	`Buttershots`
`03:23.22`	`cladhaire`	`yeah`
`03:23.27`	`cladhaire`	`delicious`
`03:23.29`	`Tain`	`Goes awesome with a lot of things. Over ice cream, in hot chocolate on a cold winter night`
`03:23.30`	`AnduinLothar`	`thats' nto the name of a brand is it?`
`03:23.33`	`cladhaire`	`Guillotine: Sign me up`
`03:23.33`	`Tain`	`Yeah it is.`
`03:23.38`	`AnduinLothar`	`hmmm ok`
`03:24.02`	`Guillotine`	`we could set up an addon developer union! make people pay for their addons!`
`03:24.03`	`Tain`	`It really is tasty stuff.`
`03:24.09`	`AnduinLothar`	`Peppermint Schnapps sounds good too`
`03:24.09`	`Tem`	`I think we should have one too, but not in CA`
`03:24.13`	`Tem`	`CA is all far and stuff`
`03:24.19`	`Tem`	`someplace I can drive to`
`03:24.29`	`Industrial`	`yurop`
`03:24.30`	`cladhaire`	`I'll pick you up`
`03:24.31`	`Guillotine`	`proportinally, more people in CA than anywhere else I believe`
`03:24.31`	`cladhaire`	`in my plane.`
`03:24.32`	`Tain`	`I have some Rumplemintz in the freezer right now.`
`03:24.34`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`sigh, all the people on the live servers that are resubscribing need to go away :/`
`03:24.38`	`Guillotine`	`of us I mean`
`03:24.47`	`Thunder_Child`	`los vegas...we could have it at around the same time as defcon`
`03:24.55`	`Tain`	`But it's not good for mixing (in myopinion.) Good for straight shots.`
`03:25.03`	`AnduinLothar`	`ooo...`
`03:25.06`	`cladhaire`	`!`
`03:25.09`	`cladhaire`	`whoa`
`03:25.16`	`AnduinLothar`	`24k nightmare`
`03:25.16`	`AnduinLothar`	`Goldschlager, Jagermeister, Rumplemintz, Ru`
`03:25.18`	`cladhaire`	`i typed a whole thing.. and it disappeared..all that was left was the !`
`03:25.22`	`AnduinLothar`	`rum*`
`03:25.32`	`Tain`	`I'd go to Vegas`
`03:25.36`	`Tain`	`For any reason, really.`
`03:25.36`	`cladhaire`	`CTACEMOSINEERWOWCURSEINTERFACEGURUUPDATE`
`03:25.41`	`Tain`	`Doesn't matter if the rest of you were there or not.`
`03:25.44`	`Thunder_Child`	`lol Tain`
`03:25.50`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`that's what you get for trying to hack and put /n's in your messages Clad :P`
`03:26.06`	`Tain`	`In fact you'd be lucky if I remembered meeting you between the haze of alcohol and hookers.`
`03:26.23`	`AnduinLothar`	`here tain for your mixing pleasure: http://www.thevirtualbar.com/Ingredients/Rumplemintz.html`
`03:26.31`	`Thunder_Child`	`how do you have a haze of hookers?`
`03:26.44`	`Tain`	`haha I'd totally try a 24k Nightmare`
`03:26.50`	`[Cu]Werik`	`bacardi`
`03:26.52`	`[Cu]Werik`	`wth`
`03:26.54`	`AnduinLothar`	`yeah sounds great`
`03:27.01`	`[Cu]Werik`	`Cant you drink something serious?:)`
`03:27.11`	`Industrial`	`In TBC, is it possible to bind a button to a fricken key using the blizzard bindings display?`
`03:27.16`	`Industrial`	`and how`
`03:27.22`	`Tem`	`no`
`03:27.26`	`Guillotine`	`<PROTECTED>`
`03:27.35`	`Tain`	`Industrial why are you interrupting this good drunken talk with technical questions?`
`03:27.43`	`Industrial`	`<PROTECTED>`
`03:27.45`	`Guillotine`	`no, there was a built in way they added to bind spells to keys`
`03:28.03`	`Industrial`	`so how are people going to bind their own key configs to my buttons then`
`03:28.22`	`Tain`	`I'm long overdue a trip to Vegas. Forgive me father for I have sinned. It has been almost two years since my last trip to Vegas.`
`03:28.23`	`cladhaire`	`RIP PANZA`
`03:28.26`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Read the topic`
`03:28.29`	`AnduinLothar`	`mmm DOA soudns good too`
`03:28.32`	`cladhaire`	`Industrial: no, not using the binding display`
`03:29.21`	`AnduinLothar`	`Naked Girl Scout: Godiva Liqueur, Rumplemintz`
`03:29.37`	`Tain`	`Chocolate pepermint. mmm`
`03:29.45`	`Thunder_Child`	`i havent been to vegas since before i could gamble :(`
`03:29.45`	`Tain`	`Naked girl scout. mmmm`
`03:29.51`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`take a look at how they did it in TRinity, Id`
`03:29.53`	`AnduinLothar`	`mmmm`
`03:29.57`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`it's acutally kinda cool`
`03:30.45`	`AnduinLothar`	`I so want to have a party just to say I'm serving naked girl scouts`
`03:30.57`	`cladhaire`	`yeah.. about that.`
`03:31.35`	`[Cu]Werik`	`Sounds like an expensive party`
`03:31.39`	`Thunder_Child`	`http://www.wowi.pastey.net/2468`
`03:32.06`	`AnduinLothar`	`yeah that would empty me of $... door charge`
`03:32.37`	`Tain`	`Whats the use of making a lot of money if you can't blow it all on a good weekend?`
`03:32.54`	`[Cu]Werik`	`It is such a waste to mix these good drinks. Why not drink them all in a row :(`
`03:32.59`	`AnduinLothar`	`well, i already blew it all`
`03:33.14`	`AnduinLothar`	`so i need to work more before i can blow more`
`03:33.23`	`Thunder_Child`	`lol [Cu]Werik`
`03:35.24`	`[Cu]Werik`	`It's like pouring soup and stew together`
`03:35.35`	`Thunder_Child`	`mmmm`
`03:35.44`	`AnduinLothar`	`i have no problem with that`
`03:35.54`	`AnduinLothar`	`long as it's well stir'd`
`03:35.56`	`Tain`	`I haven't had a good beef stew in years.`
`03:39.15`	`AnduinLothar`	`but before we have those we're gonna play with Naked Twister: Melon Liqueur, Vodka, Tuaca, Pineapple Juice, Lemon Lime Soda`
`03:39.26`	`Industrial`	`Garoun\|Loupana: !`
`03:39.34`	`Industrial`	`Garoun\|Loupana: oh dear :(`
`03:40.03`	`Thunder_Child`	`naked twister...naked girl scout....sounds like a party to me`
`03:40.10`	`Tain`	`ack not me, I'm not a big fan of melon or pineapple juice in drinks. Just not my taste.`
`03:40.43`	`AnduinLothar`	`needs to be sufficient sepperation between those two drinks of course`
`03:41.39`	`Industrial`	`Idea: someone make a library to bind stuff, and make it retardedly easy to use (eg RegisterforBinding(ButtonFrame)).`
`03:41.56`	`AnduinLothar`	`lol, it's been suggested`
`03:42.07`	`Gello`	`http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?s=&id=6099`
`03:42.50`	`Industrial`	`Gello: woot`
`03:43.38`	`Industrial`	`zenzelezz: im having trouble comprehending why blizzard would make everyone make their own binding interface, among other things`
`03:43.38`	`zenzelezz`	`was just joking :)`
`03:43.44`	`Gello`	`i tried to get one working with the default key binding interface, but kept running into problems. i think it's doable tho`
`03:44.19`	`AnduinLothar`	`this sounds pretty good too... Flaming Blow Job: Jack Daniels, Everclear, Chocolate milk, Whipped Cream`
`03:44.24`	`AnduinLothar`	`ok, i'm done`
`03:45.21`	`Tain`	`I'm very much opposed to any alcoholic drinks with milk.`
`03:45.25`	`Thunder_Child`	`i live near west hollywood, i bet i could get that easily`
`03:45.54`	`AnduinLothar`	`to each his own tain`
`03:46.08`	`AnduinLothar`	`rum and milk is the base for all sorts of things`
`03:47.50`	`Tuller`	`so...I can't change attributes dynamically in combat, right?`
`03:48.36`	`Iriel`	`Not on protected frames, right`
`03:48.40`	`cladhaire`	`correct`
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`03:51.18`	`Guillotine`	`sigh http://forums.curse-gaming.com/showthread.php?t=13370`
`03:51.40`	`Guillotine`	`"Addon Authors need to get their buts moving". how polite`
`03:53.07`	`Gello`	`well it does take 5 weeks for a mod to be approved on curse, so they best get them done now before BC releases heh`
`03:53.25`	`Guillotine`	`:P`
`03:53.32`	`Guillotine`	`yell at Werik, thats his job`
`03:53.59`	`Guillotine`	`v3 will be out soon though, and then it'll be near instant`
`03:57.18`	`Gello`	`that'd be cool. i think the last new mod submitted i stopped checking if i could upload after a few days`
`04:01.57`	`[Cu]Werik`	`what what?`
`04:02.25`	`[Cu]Werik`	`approved?`
`04:02.52`	`Shadowed`	`lol`
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`04:03.07`	`[Cu]Werik`	`approving is automatic`
`04:03.11`	`[Cu]Werik`	`Oo`
`04:03.27`	`Shadowed`	`o.O`
`04:03.32`	`Shadowed`	`why is it approving then if it's automatic`
`04:04.01`	`[Cu]Werik`	`It wasn't automatic in the beginning, but we removed it. It's completely automatic and instant`
`04:04.16`	`Shadowed`	`ah`
`04:06.21`	`DrDre`	`http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y156/Hodana/wtf1.jpg`
`04:06.22`	`DrDre`	`wtf is that debuff by playerframe?`
`04:06.31`	`Shadowed`	`That's on the Chinese WoW`
`04:06.40`	`DrDre`	`looks english to me >_>`
`04:06.51`	`Shadowed`	`If you play to long you reach a point where you don't get any XP or ability to loot items, like every hour you get % less XP`
`04:06.51`	`DrDre`	`and was posted on us forums`
`04:07.05`	`Shadowed`	`If you look in the event list and in some of the FrameXML files you'll see support for it`
`04:07.50`	`Shadowed`	`Can't you access the US servers with a german client?`
`04:07.51`	`Shadowed`	`er, chinese. something like that`
`04:08.15`	`DrDre`	`http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=47504872&sid=1&pageNo=2`
`04:08.29`	`DrDre`	`maybe bug with TBC users logging into PTR?`
`04:08.39`	`Shadowed`	`true`
`04:09.03`	`Shadowed`	`damnit`
`04:09.11`	`Shadowed`	`I was going to play with a friend on the PTR for 2vs2 arenas :(`
`04:33.35`	`Cairenn`	`night guys`
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`04:34.23`	`Thunder_Child`	`night Cairenn\|afk`
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`04:47.39`	`Shadowed`	`So....apparently i'm missing something, but how do you turn off the annoying event/onupdate lister for DT?`
`04:49.32`	`Shadowed`	`aha found t`
`04:49.33`	`Shadowed`	`it*`
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`05:26.20`	TheZanke`	`whats witht he lag on the beta server?`
`05:26.31`	`Shadowed`	`11 servers are down until tomorrow`
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`05:49.08`	`End`	`wow, the securetemplate crap is pretty neat`
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`05:54.10`	`Thunder_Child`	`interesting, normaly crap and neat dont go in the same sentince`
`05:54.34`	`Thunder_Child`	`except maybe "you call this crap neat?"`
`05:56.17`	`End`	`:P`
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`06:06.02`	`Antiarc`	`Hm. Question re: frame stratus..es. Strati. Stratuses. Whatever.`
`06:06.22`	`Antiarc`	`I have a Button. I'm performing MyButton:CreateFrame("Button", ...) and inheriting another button.`
`06:06.51`	`Antiarc`	`The second button ends up with a frame level equal to MyButton and isn't clickable unless I set my created button's frame strata higher than MyButton`
`06:07.17`	`Thunder_Child`	`are they supposed to be overlaping?`
`06:07.20`	`Antiarc`	`Err, not MyButton:CreateFrame, CreateFrame("Button", name, MyButton, "InheritTemplate")`
`06:07.35`	`Antiarc`	`Yes, the new button should be a child of the parent and should reside on top of it.`
`06:07.49`	`Antiarc`	`Am I wrong in assuming that CreateFrame should effectively create frames under the parent you give it?`
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`06:08.05`	`Antiarc`	`MyButton has a FrameLevel of 10. I'd expect the created frame to have a level of 11.`
`06:08.20`	`MentalPower`	`parented, yes, but framelevel is independent of parenting`
`06:08.25`	`Thunder_Child`	`thats how i would think of it`
`06:08.46`	`Antiarc`	`Even when I set NewFrame's FrameLevel to MyButton():GetFrameLevel() + 1, it doesn't work.`
`06:08.46`	`Thunder_Child`	`but i dunno if thats the case`
`06:08.51`	`Antiarc`	`I have to set a whole higher strata.`
`06:08.55`	`Antiarc`	`Which I'd like to avoid.`
`06:09.04`	`Antiarc`	`I did a simple test with nested buttons in XML and it worked as I'd expect`
`06:09.08`	`Antiarc`	`But I can't replicate that using CreateFrame`
`06:09.57`	`MentalPower`	`wierd, NewButton:SetFrameLevel(Parent:GetFrameLevel() + 1) should work`
`06:10.38`	`Antiarc`	`I tried that. No dice.`
`06:14.29`	`Antiarc`	`Ok, adding 10 to the frame level worked.`
`06:14.33`	`Antiarc`	`Now to find out why.`
`06:14.58`	`Shadowed`	`/dtframestack is your friend`
`06:15.07`	`Antiarc`	`Which mod is that?`
`06:15.12`	`Shadowed`	`DevTools`
`06:15.12`	`Antiarc`	`I'm on beta and running a stripped-down loadout`
`06:15.20`	`Shadowed`	`~devtools`
`06:15.23`	`purl`	`[devtools] Iriel's DevTools, a highly useful set of debugging tools for developers on WoW. Found at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=3999 Why isn't it in the default client yet?, or found at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?s=&id=5415 for the beta`
`06:15.23`	`Antiarc`	`Is there a TBC version?`
`06:15.25`	`Shadowed`	`purl knows all`
`06:15.27`	`purl`	`and don't you forget it`
`06:15.31`	`Shadowed`	`purl die`
`06:15.32`	`purl`	`ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless.`
`06:15.39`	`Antiarc`	`Hot.`
`06:15.41`	`Shadowed`	`smartass bot`
`06:15.55`	`Antiarc`	`Thank you very much. Developing without DevTools was like hitting myself in the face with a really clunky skillet.`
`06:16.07`	`Shadowed`	`haha`
`06:16.08`	`Shadowed`	`yeah`
`06:16.52`	`Antiarc`	`Oh my sweet /dump, you've returned.`
`06:17.02`	`Shadowed`	`needs to be default :(`
`06:17.18`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Some people in the beta found a new fun command`
`06:17.21`	`ScytheBlade1`	`/benchmark`
`06:17.29`	`ScytheBlade1`	`/benchmark (on\|\|off)`
`06:17.43`	`chuckg`	`Besides the obvious "lol it benchmarks", what does it tell you?`
`06:17.50`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Next flight you take, it resets and locks your camera`
`06:17.52`	`Antiarc`	`"Taxi benchmark on"`
`06:18.01`	`ScytheBlade1`	`When you land, unlocks it and reports FPS min/avg/max ;)`
`06:18.14`	`ScytheBlade1`	`(And turns itself off)`
`06:18.19`	`Antiarc`	`Ahah, here it is.`
`06:18.31`	`Antiarc`	`The created item has the exact same frame level as the parent it was created from`
`06:19.09`	`Antiarc`	`Interestingly...`
`06:19.17`	`Antiarc`	`data:SetFrameLevel(item:GetFrameLevel() + 1) -- that doesn't change it.`
`06:19.39`	`Antiarc`	`I have to add 2 in order to get it to bump itself up.`
`06:19.47`	`Antiarc`	`That's kinda bizarre.`
`06:20.54`	`Shadowed`	`Blizzard even uses + 2 for there raid frames if you look in the XML of Blizzard_RaidUI`
`06:21.47`	`Antiarc`	`Huh.`
`06:21.51`	`Antiarc`	`Must be a bug of some sort.`
`06:21.55`	`End`	`yes! now my bags are 1x16 sized...except, I really have 18 slots and I've only done one bag`
`06:21.59`	`End`	`but it works like a bag would`
`06:22.02`	`Antiarc`	`Unmodified, the created frame has the exact same frame as the parent.`
`06:22.13`	`Antiarc`	`If you SetFrameLevel(parentLevel+1), it keeps the same level`
`06:22.32`	`Shadowed`	`makes sense, I guess.`
`06:22.34`	`MentalPower`	`what about setframelevel(parentlevel)`
`06:23.33`	`Antiarc`	`Huh, that sets it to 1 under the parent's framelevel.`
`06:23.46`	`Antiarc`	`So GetFrameLevel() is returning 1 less than it should, or...?`
`06:23.54`	`Antiarc`	`Or SetFrameLevel() is subtracting one, which is actually more likely.`
`06:24.30`	`MentalPower`	`thats what I though (setlevel subtracting one)`
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`06:26.40`	`Industrial`	`in TBC can I unregister events from CastingBarFrame, or plain hide it in any other way?`
`06:28.39`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`you can hide it`
`06:29.19`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`it's like CastingBar.showThis = false or something... I don't have wow on this comp so I can't look up the code`
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`06:29.58`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`but there's definately a setting, and if you set it to false, it hides the casting bar`
`06:30.12`	`End`	`.showCastbar maybe?`
`06:30.38`	`Shadowed`	`check wdn?`
`06:30.55`	`End`	`maybe I have the code up right now and I like using question marks?`
`06:31.13`	`End`	`mmm...question marks?`
`06:31.16`	`Shadowed`	`lol`
`06:31.20`	`End`	`:P`
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`07:25.33`	`Wobin`	`hm`
`07:25.36`	`Wobin`	`anyone use mac?`
`07:25.55`	`Thunder_Child`	`under portest?`
`07:26.01`	`Thunder_Child`	`protest*`
`07:26.09`	`Wobin`	`Nah, I wanna buy a mac laptop for my mother's birthday`
`07:26.20`	`Thunder_Child`	`~stab Wobin`
`07:26.29`	`purl`	`ACTION runs at Wobin with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut.`
`07:26.29`	`Wobin`	`since they're touted to be the most userfriendly and all`
`07:26.33`	`Shadowed`	`lol`
`07:26.36`	`Wobin`	`I wish to reduce the amount of tech support I'll have to do for her`
`07:26.36`	`Thunder_Child`	`well that they are`
`07:26.38`	`Shadowed`	`(at purl)`
`07:26.52`	`Shadowed`	`Yeah, if you want the least amount of tech support. I'd probably suggest a mac`
`07:27.10`	`Thunder_Child`	`well ignoring your own wants for the moment. what will she be useing it for?`
`07:27.45`	`Wobin`	`email, web, photo downloading and manipulating`
`07:28.02`	`Wobin`	`oh`
`07:28.06`	`Shadowed`	`yep, sounds like mac will be fine`
`07:28.07`	`Wobin`	`and it has to be pretty`
`07:28.07`	`Thunder_Child`	`sounds fine for a mac`
`07:28.12`	`Wobin`	`Preferably red`
`07:28.17`	`norgs`	`Wobin: macs are the awesome!`
`07:28.19`	`Thunder_Child`	`the outside?`
`07:28.20`	`Shadowed`	`I don't think they make red macs`
`07:28.22`	`Wobin`	`yeah`
`07:28.25`	`Thunder_Child`	`uhhh...`
`07:28.27`	`Wobin`	`aw =(`
`07:28.31`	`Thunder_Child`	`custom is only in PC's really`
`07:28.33`	`norgs`	`Black, white and silver are it`
`07:28.38`	`Wobin`	`pity dat`
`07:28.44`	`Thunder_Child`	`unless you have some spraypaint handy`
`07:28.50`	`norgs`	`the black ones look nice but`
`07:28.50`	`Industrial`	`in TBC, how do I replace TargetUnit() when clicking on a unitframe :P`
`07:29.04`	`Industrial`	`it hasnt sunk in deep enough, hit me more with a stick (and tell me how)`
`07:29.12`	`norgs`	`id: you have to use a secureframe`
`07:29.40`	`Shadowed`	`~hit Industrial`
`07:29.42`	`purl`	`ACTION punches Industrial.`
`07:29.59`	`End`	`~kill Industrial`
`07:30.00`	`purl`	`ACTION shoots a charged anti-graviton gun at Industrial`
`07:30.04`	`Thunder_Child`	`~stick Industrial`
`07:30.09`	`End`	`~stun Industrial`
`07:30.15`	`Wobin`	`~lart Industrial`
`07:30.24`	`Thunder_Child`	`hey, a new game`
`07:30.24`	`Shadowed`	`lol`
`07:30.38`	`Thunder_Child`	`~gag Industrial`
`07:30.40`	`purl`	`ACTION takes away the voice of Industrial and, as an additional precaution, sews Industrial's mouth shut permanently...`
`07:30.49`	`Thunder_Child`	`~botsnack`
`07:30.49`	`purl`	`aw, gee, Thunder_Child`
`07:30.58`	`Industrial`	`itaii itaii itaii :(`
`07:31.21`	`Thunder_Child`	`eh?`
`07:31.22`	`Wobin`	`hm, that's bizarre. I can't get black in the cheapest model =P`
`07:31.36`	`Shadowed`	`It's your mom, don't be cheap!`
`07:31.49`	`Thunder_Child`	`lol,i read that wrong for a sec`
`07:31.57`	`Industrial`	`>_o`
`07:32.15`	`Wobin`	`yow`
`07:32.19`	`Thunder_Child`	`yeai deserve that one`
`07:32.22`	`norgs`	`Industrial: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=36975623#2 <-- secure frames`
`07:32.29`	`Wobin`	`AppleCare Protection Plan: $420`
`07:32.37`	`Thunder_Child`	`well if you care....`
`07:32.48`	`Industrial`	`norgs: SecureUnitButtonTemplate?`
`07:32.48`	`End`	`ok`
`07:33.00`	`End`	`it finally occured to me that it is "model", not "motel"`
`07:33.42`	`Industrial`	`lol End :P`
`07:33.43`	`End`	`the only I figured it out is that AppleCare fits less well with motel`
`07:33.46`	`Thunder_Child`	`and years of End's english teachers heave a sigh of relief.`
`07:33.52`	`norgs`	`Industrial: it depends`
`07:33.55`	`End`	`no`
`07:34.00`	`Industrial`	`norgs: for my unitframes`
`07:34.03`	`End`	`they shouldn't breathe sigh of relief`
`07:34.07`	`norgs`	`how many of these will you have?`
`07:34.16`	`End`	`I don't even understand that "the only I figured it" bit`
`07:34.26`	`norgs`	`like a party full of them? or a raid full?`
`07:34.29`	`End`	`~slap End`
`07:34.30`	`purl`	`ACTION slaps End, keep your grubby fingers to yourself!`
`07:34.30`	`Industrial`	`player pet party1-4 target targettarget and prolly focus in the future`
`07:34.32`	`Thunder_Child`	`well they cant expect to win EVERY battle`
`07:34.32`	`norgs`	`or just one?`
`07:34.53`	`Thunder_Child`	`they have to enjoy the ones they do`
`07:35.01`	`End`	`they are -lucky- to win any battles`
`07:35.16`	`Thunder_Child`	`as bad as you may be, i am worse`
`07:35.31`	`Industrial`	`im worserer`
`07:35.50`	`Industrial`	`:3`
`07:35.51`	`Thunder_Child`	`<PROTECTED>`
`07:35.52`	`norgs`	`multiple unit frames are probably best then`
`07:35.53`	`End`	`I'm only that bad if I try to reword a sentence in the middle of writing it`
`07:37.12`	`Thunder_Child`	`i hate when word tells me things to change that even I know is correct`
`07:37.50`	`Thunder_Child`	`�Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.�`
`07:37.50`	`Thunder_Child`	`and it said to change I'm to i are....`
`07:40.27`	`Wobin`	`Well.. microsoft stupidity at least =P`
`07:41.45`	`MentalPower`	`Thunder_Child: Einstein said that :P`
`07:41.58`	`Thunder_Child`	`yes he did`
`07:42.12`	`Thunder_Child`	`The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits.`
`07:42.28`	`Thunder_Child`	`Quotes: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein`
`07:44.00`	`Thunder_Child`	`You do not really understand something unless you can explain it to your grandmother. lolz`
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`07:46.33`	`ckknight`	`hey all`
`07:46.39`	`Thunder_Child`	`hey ckknight`
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`08:01.08`	`Thunder_Child`	`sweet sweet split`
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`08:48.03`	`grimman\|afkish`	`ffs... god damned Windows. I download the new PowerShell stuff, install it and start it. First thing that comes up is a blue window.`
`08:48.25`	`Thunder_Child`	`BSoD, gratz`
`08:48.29`	`grimman\|afkish`	`Blue being the only colour that can make windows users cower in fear.`
`08:48.43`	`grimman\|afkish`	`Thunder_Child: No, the shell window is blue. >_<`
`08:49.02`	`Thunder_Child`	`ah, well maybe they just like blue`
`08:49.06`	`End`	`isn't vista supposed to have a lot of blue in its ui?`
`08:49.23`	`End`	`wait, a sec, default xp does too doesn't it`
`08:49.24`	`grimman\|afkish`	`Lots of transparency afaik. :P`
`08:49.28`	`Nom_`	`It's Vista supposed to have a lot of crap in it's UI?`
`08:49.47`	`Thunder_Child`	`which UI, there are 3 versions`
`08:49.56`	`Nom_`	`All of them...`
`08:49.59`	`Inside`	`Vista is supposed to be the most advanced UI known to man.`
`08:50.04`	`Nom_`	`Vista = Bloatware`
`08:50.08`	`Inside`	`With more buttons per square decapixel`
`08:50.13`	`Nom_`	`Just like XP was Bloatware when it came out`
`08:50.16`	`grimman\|afkish`	`Nom_: Not at all. It's proven that a DirectX accelerated window manager increases productivity by a minimum of 22% during the first week of usage, with a steady increase the following six months.`
`08:50.31`	`End`	`proven by who I wonder?`
`08:50.38`	`End`	`:P`
`08:50.39`	`Thunder_Child`	`no, only 2 & 3 have blue in it 1 does not`
`08:50.40`	`Nom_`	`By Microsoft`
`08:51.14`	`Nom_`	`I find the fact that Microsoft held back on it's UI a strong reason NOT to go there`
`08:51.16`	`grimman\|afkish`	`grimman Industries Statistical Research Center (Microsoft approval pending)(TM)`
`08:51.37`	`Nom_`	`The original requirements for Vista is that you would need an nVidia/ATI card to run the UI...you couldn't use a non-3D card`
`08:52.13`	`Nom_`	`I've got no reason to move when it comes out anyway`
`08:52.15`	`grimman\|afkish`	`You can't use Aero without a 3D accelerator.`
`08:52.21`	`Nom_`	`It's not like Windows XP isn't going to work for another few years`
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`08:52.33`	`Inside`	`uh`
`08:52.36`	`Inside`	`they could flip the switch`
`08:52.37`	`Inside`	`>_>`
`08:52.44`	`Nom_`	`And I could defiantely use the $500 that Vista is going to cost`
`08:52.51`	`grimman\|afkish`	`I dunno... I'm tempted pirate the OS just to dual boot in order to be able to play Halo 2. ;P`
`08:53.06`	`Nom_`	`Except Vista can't be pirated easily :P`
`08:53.10`	`grimman\|afkish`	`Halo 2 being the only reason for me to use Vista.`
`08:53.18`	`Thunder_Child`	`500 isnt to bad for 3-4 years`
`08:53.22`	`Nom_`	`Nowhere near as easy as Windows XP at least`
`08:53.32`	`grimman\|afkish`	`Probably true, Nom_.`
`08:53.32`	`Nom_`	`Thunder_Child: LOL you're optimistic`
`08:53.40`	`Thunder_Child`	`look how long XP has been out`
`08:53.49`	`Nom_`	`Since 2002/3`
`08:53.54`	`grimman\|afkish`	`Thunder_Child: I'd BUY the OS if it didn't cost as much as a frikking computer.`
`08:53.54`	`Nom_`	`Wow..long lifetime`
`08:54.09`	`Thunder_Child`	`thats just what i said 3-4 years`
`08:54.30`	`Nom_`	`pfft`
`08:54.37`	`Thunder_Child`	`grimman\|afkish, if you are paying 500 for a computer....i dont think i would want to use that computer`
`08:54.54`	`Nom_`	`Why?`
`08:55.02`	`grimman\|afkish`	`Thunder_Child: That depends on the periphals and what not.`
`08:55.02`	`Thunder_Child`	`500 is less than the cost of one component`
`08:55.02`	`End`	`wasn't xp actually 2001?`
`08:55.08`	`Nom_`	`An AUD$1000 computer kicks the crap out of the AUD$3000 computer now`
`08:55.23`	`Nom_`	`the AUD$3000 being the one I bought like...18 months ago`
`08:55.29`	`Thunder_Child`	`true, but it was an opinion`
`08:55.46`	`grimman\|afkish`	`Point is, the OS cost is way too high.`
`08:55.56`	`Nom_`	`Yep, agreed.`
`08:56.05`	`End`	`I agree as well`
`08:56.12`	`grimman\|afkish`	`"ls" works in PowerShell btw. ;P`
`08:56.19`	`Thunder_Child`	`depends how much it's worth i suppose`
`08:56.26`	`Nom_`	`What's this about Halo 2 & Windows Vista?`
`08:56.36`	`Thunder_Child`	`Halo 2 is ONLY playable on vista`
`08:56.43`	`Nom_`	`k`
`08:56.50`	`Nom_`	`I'm pre-ordering Vista`
`08:56.57`	`Thunder_Child`	`lolz`
`08:56.58`	`End`	`yet somehow ran on the xbox! ;p`
`08:57.13`	`grimman\|afkish`	`Hm. "cmdlet rm at command pipeline position 1 \nSupply values for the following parameters: \nPath[0]:"`
`08:57.15`	`grimman\|afkish`	`Creepy. ;P`
`08:57.23`	`Thunder_Child`	`at least the once coming out for vista is "new and improved"`
`08:57.57`	`Nom_`	`XBox = Pointless`
`08:58.05`	`Nom_`	`Why would I pay $500 for a box which can ONLY play games`
`08:58.06`	`grimman\|afkish`	`Xbox is nice enough.`
`08:58.21`	`grimman\|afkish`	`Nom_: Pay another $20 and you have a media center. ;P`
`08:58.27`	`Silviu-`	`Around when Vista will come "live" ? :)`
`08:58.36`	`End`	`early next year I think?`
`08:58.37`	`Nom_`	`Why would I pay $520 for a media centre when I can do it for $150`
`08:58.47`	`grimman\|afkish`	`So you can play games, of course.`
`08:58.49`	`grimman\|afkish`	`;)`
`08:58.50`	`Silviu-`	`Aham nice :)`
`08:59.14`	`Nom_`	`Again, why would I pay $500 for a box to play games, when I already have one, which has web browser and online games too?`
`08:59.29`	`grimman\|afkish`	`Ah, when you put it like that...`
`08:59.49`	`Nom_`	`I mean...you can't play WoW on the XBox`
`08:59.51`	`grimman\|afkish`	`I suppose you could buy Vista for the money instead.`
`08:59.53`	`grimman\|afkish`	`;D`
`08:59.54`	`Nom_`	`And that's about all I really play`
`08:59.56`	`End`	`oh neat, ornate spyglass works much nicer in beta`
`09:00.02`	`grimman\|afkish`	`End: Show.`
`09:00.11`	`norgs_away`	`nite guys`
`09:00.15`	`End`	`it zooms gradually, but quickly, and properly restores your old zoom`
`09:00.29`	`grimman\|afkish`	`mkay`
`09:00.35`	`End`	`it doesn't zoom any farther as far as I can tell, but it just functions...in a nicer way`
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`09:02.58`	`grimman\|afkish`	`Nice to know that they take time to work on that kind of items as well.`
`09:03.08`	`End`	`yeah, I was surprised actually`
`09:08.54`	`Shadowed`	`(I know I asked this yesterday) But has anyone gotten onto the 2.0.0 PTR yet?`
`09:09.16`	`jaxdahl`	`yes Shadowed`
`09:09.28`	`Shadowed`	`and it does infact include the decursive restrictions?`
`09:09.33`	`jaxdahl`	`yes`
`09:09.40`	`Shadowed`	`great thanks jaxdahl`
`09:09.54`	`Nom_`	`I did, Shadowed`
`09:09.58`	`Nom_`	`Level 5 pally :P`
`09:10.07`	`Nom_`	`Damn, I hate the fact character transfer has been down`
`09:10.08`	`Shadowed`	`bored are we Nom? :p`
`09:10.20`	`Thunder_Child`	`<PROTECTED>`
`09:10.29`	`Nom_`	`I was having lunch before going into work`
`09:10.33`	`Nom_`	`(Was at the doctors all morning)`
`09:10.38`	`Thunder_Child`	`"Error! Server too busy " nightmares`
`09:10.41`	`Nom_`	`So I rolled a pally whily I was waiting`
`09:10.47`	`Nom_`	`It's actually disabled, Thunder_Child`
`09:11.02`	`Thunder_Child`	`...till when?`
`09:11.11`	`Nom_`	`5PM server time I heard?`
`09:11.19`	`Thunder_Child`	`on what day?`
`09:11.23`	`Nom_`	`15th`
`09:11.32`	`Thunder_Child`	`o....crap....thanks`
`09:11.39`	`jaxdahl`	`ie, 14 hours`
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`09:12.01`	`Thunder_Child`	`i have 16 hrs`
`09:12.03`	`Nom_`	`That's what I heard...don't know if it's complete accurate`
`09:12.59`	`Shadowed`	`whee!`
`09:13.00`	`Thunder_Child`	`at least i can sleep for may of thoes hours`
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`09:13.02`	`Thunder_Child`	`sweet sweet release of a server split`
`09:13.02`	`jaxdahl`	`i take full responsibility`
`09:14.49`	`jaxdahl`	`lol`
`09:14.51`	`jaxdahl`	`draenei`
`09:14.53`	`jaxdahl`	`in the officer's club`
`09:14.59`	`jaxdahl`	`on the PTR`
`09:16.42`	`nymbia`	`haha, awesome`
`09:16.55`	`Nom_`	`I put my transfer in before the transfers were turned off, but it didn't work :(`
`09:17.04`	`Nom_`	`And it said something like 4 days to transfer :/`
`09:22.53`	`Hatsuki`	`it said 4hrs when I clicked the button, but that was around 13hrs ago and still no char`
`09:24.00`	`Nom_`	`yay for needle bruises :~(`
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`09:25.33`	`thr`	`hmm`
`09:25.41`	`thr`	`the PTR up now? is it 2.0 ?`
`09:25.51`	`thr`	`or still 1.1x ?`
`09:26.03`	`Elkano`	`2.0.1 iirc`
`09:26.19`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`yes, 2.0.1`
`09:26.30`	`Thunder_Child`	`http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=47007435&sid=1`
`09:27.11`	`Silviu-`	`Ahm on PTR is BC now ?`
`09:27.12`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`heheh, I really should go to bed... I shouldn't be up now, but I got sucked into watching Band of Brothers again`
`09:27.32`	`thr`	`Silviu-: no, it's all the game-wide changes without the content from BC if i've got things correct.`
`09:27.42`	`thr`	`such as talent changes, lfg-thingy, new spells, etc.`
`09:27.57`	`Silviu-`	`Ah ok`
`09:28.03`	`thr`	`but not the actuall new content, and still lvl60 as cap.`
`09:28.40`	`Silviu-`	`Thx then :)`
`09:29.36`	`thr`	`nice nerf to (dis)enchanting, tbh i felt that was a good one.`
`09:29.44`	`thr`	`and it will raise the prices on enchanting mats thru the roof`
`09:29.48`	`thr`	`<- is going 2 be ze rich one.`
`09:30.46`	`Elkano`	`but still no req level for the enchants themself :/`
`09:31.17`	`Elkano`	`btw: what has been changed wrt enchanting ui?`
`09:32.23`	`Elkano`	`btw: firend of mine said that maybe you can create BE/D on PTR if you have a beta key ^^`
`09:32.46`	`Elkano`	`but imho there should be problems with your client's version`
`09:32.56`	`Tem`	`Elkano, there are problems`
`09:33.01`	`Tem`	`the world goes all wonky`
`09:33.53`	`Tem`	`there is a blizzard post asking beta people to not use their beta client to sign onto the ptrs because of the issues that might get interpreted by blizzard as errors in the ptr client`
`09:34.13`	`Tem`	`also, because of the way the accounts are upgraded, beta people cannot use the ptr client`
`09:34.15`	`Elkano`	`-> http://img120.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wowscrnshot111406180715kc5.jpg ^^`
`09:34.21`	`Tem`	`so no ptr for beta people`
`09:34.52`	`thr`	`Hmm.`
`09:34.57`	`thr`	`With the nerf to disenchanting`
`09:35.05`	`thr`	`wont the price on Large Brilliant Shards skyrocket?`
`09:35.16`	`Tem`	`thr, not really`
`09:35.19`	`Thunder_Child`	`lol tem, to late i already tried`
`09:35.31`	`Thunder_Child`	`it just said "go to hell"`
`09:35.32`	`Tem`	`LBRs are mostly created from DEing BoP blues from instances`
`09:35.38`	`thr`	`exactly.`
`09:35.44`	`thr`	`and how many ppl have 225+ enchanting there?`
`09:35.45`	`Elkano`	`why should it? only because they increased the needed skill for dissing?`
`09:35.45`	`thr`	`not many.`
`09:36.19`	`Tem`	`the only thing this really effects is people who just have alts to send greens to to DE`
`09:36.23`	`thr`	`nexus will still remain the same, ofc... because they mostly comes from raids disenchanting loot they dont want.`
`09:36.47`	`thr`	`Tem: well, think of it.. how often do ppl running scholo/strat/dm have someone with 225+ enchanting with them? not that often realy.`
`09:36.56`	`Tem`	`how should I know?`
`09:37.06`	`Tem`	`I haven't run scholo strat or dm in a year`
`09:37.07`	`Mery`	`well but mostly those people then don't pick up enchanting`
`09:37.14`	`Mery`	`just to d/e the BoP blues they won`
`09:37.39`	`thr`	`Well, no - but there's usually someone with them ? and most of the time you hear the thing "anyone got dis-ench so u can dis for me?"`
`09:37.50`	`Tem`	`nor do I care because in the expansion, LBS are not what people are after`
`09:38.30`	`thr`	`i mean on my realm the already cost 15g each or something ;<`
`09:38.37`	`Tem`	`sucks for you`
`09:38.38`	`thr`	`what happens if the supply drop by 25-50% ;<`
`09:39.43`	`Tem`	`if cared more about gold, I'd drop herbalism again to pick up enchanting and farm the piss out of incendius`
`09:42.06`	`grimman\|afkish`	`Or wait until BC hit the stores. ;P`
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`09:47.38`	`Laric`	`hmm the ptr is a newer build than current tbc beta`
`09:48.10`	`Tem`	`technically true`
`09:48.10`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`what makes you think that?`
`09:48.12`	`Tem`	`but not really true`
`09:48.23`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`the code is older`
`09:48.38`	`Laric`	`oh`
`09:48.40`	`Tem`	`the actual build was done more recently than the last beta build`
`09:48.50`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`I think beta is going to 2.0.3 tomorrow or thursday`
`09:48.51`	`Tem`	`but it has less features`
`09:49.25`	`Laric`	`anyone knows if DoCraft will continue to be forbidden?`
`09:49.45`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`You can't do it in combat! =)`
`09:50.05`	`Laric`	`you cannot do it period in tbc :(`
`09:50.15`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`They'll fix that, I'm sure they already have`
`09:50.46`	`Laric`	`it is fine that it is blocked in combat but not out of combat..`
`09:50.48`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`from slouken: Crafting has been added to the list of things allowed in response to an interactive action.`
`09:50.56`	`Laric`	`nice`
`09:51.10`	`Laric`	`in the changes thread?`
`09:51.15`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`So figure that to hit beta this patch or possibly next, dunno how their build cycle is`
`09:51.16`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`yeah`
`09:51.27`	`Laric`	`that thread is incredibly long to try and keep up with`
`09:52.18`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`I still find it amazing how much feedback we're getting from slouken`
`09:52.22`	`thr`	`hmm, so all the tbc/2.0 UI restrictions are... in place on the PTRs now?`
`09:52.31`	`thr`	`so all addons willl be majorly... screwed ?`
`09:52.33`	`thr`	`(most)`
`09:52.40`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`and how many of our suggestions are actually getting into the game`
`09:52.53`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`I just about dropped a brick when I saw them add macro options`
`09:55.46`	`thr`	`Ok i usually dont swear, etc.`
`09:55.47`	`thr`	`but`
`09:55.48`	`thr`	`1.2 There is a tired mode. After 3 hours non-stop playing, the amount of XP and Money is divided by 2. After 5 hours this will be reset.`
`09:55.50`	`thr`	`ARE THEY FUCKING KIDDIN GME?`
`09:56.11`	`Laric`	`Neuro_Medivh the problem is that it is 1/5'th of the wow community that gets any interaction as it is only the us players getting any kind of response`
`09:56.23`	`nymbia`	`thr: huh?`
`09:56.24`	`End`	`thr: isn't that for the chinese version?`
`09:56.33`	`thr`	`http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=82149660&sid=1`
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`09:57.08`	`End`	`legally I think Blizzard is required to have controls on how much you play in order to serve customers in China`
`09:57.27`	`thr`	`yes but... us? us? us? (not US, us.)`
`09:57.33`	`thr`	`I don't live in china.`
`09:57.37`	`End`	`I don't either`
`09:58.01`	`thr`	`does that only applies to 60s btw? or low lvls also?`
`09:58.03`	`End`	`and sitting in the beta, I haven't seen any such thing`
`09:58.06`	`Mery`	`lol a friend of mine has infinite mana (regenerating at drinking speed) atm on the beta server`
`09:58.17`	`End`	`hmm`
`09:59.19`	`End`	`my guess is they enabled isChinaServer mode`
`09:59.24`	`End`	`on accident`
`09:59.30`	`End`	`and only on the PTR`
`10:00.04`	`thr`	`they actually have that restriction`
`10:00.08`	`thr`	`on the china servers?`
`10:00.09`	`thr`	`o.O`
`10:00.42`	`Elkano`	`yes, forced by state`
`10:01.18`	`thr`	`well hmm ok, poor those. but if it goes live like that i'll stop playing tbh ;<`
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`10:05.10`	`thr`	`yay it will be so fun grinding from 32 to 60 when i only can grind maybe...3-6 hours per day instead of my normal... way to many hours ;P`
`10:15.41`	`Corrodias`	`so. Bruce Almighty, not a bad movie.`
`10:15.45`	`grimman\|afkish`	`http://tooloasis.com/blog/?p=6`
`10:16.03`	`grimman\|afkish`	`Corrodias: It's fun enough. :)`
`10:16.31`	`grimman\|afkish`	`And Catherine Bell == rawr.`
`10:19.18`	`Corrodias`	`not as good as Click.`
`10:22.38`	`thr`	`Click is very nice.`
`10:22.47`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`does any1 know if an item will bind to a player if u socket it ?`
`10:23.26`	`grimman\|afkish`	`So far I've only seen BOP socketable items.`
`10:24.08`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`hmm that is posable also.`
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`10:29.52`	`Industrial`	`4 lines`
`10:29.57`	`Industrial`	`if not UnitExists('target') then`
`10:29.57`	`Industrial`	`self.target:Hide()`
`10:29.57`	`Industrial`	`else`
`10:29.57`	`Industrial`	`self.target:Show()`
`10:29.57`	`Industrial`	`self:UpdateUnitFrame('target')`
`10:30.00`	`Industrial`	`end`
`10:30.02`	`Industrial`	`ok 6`
`10:30.05`	`Industrial`	`:P`
`10:30.28`	`Industrial`	`that code runs when im in combat, and should or hode or show and update my target unitframe`
`10:31.04`	`Industrial`	`somehow UnitExists returns false when im still in combat.. right after i give the final blow`
`10:31.23`	`Industrial`	`and then I get ALOT of errors that im restricted to hide the frame cause im in combat`
`10:32.13`	`Corrodias`	`combat lasts for a moment after your enemy dies, doesn't it?`
`10:32.20`	`Industrial`	`yeah`
`10:33.23`	`Industrial`	`so its either not a secure frame so no click casting etc or it works borky :(`
`10:37.53`	`Saeris`	`Is there any API function to tell whether a spell in the spellbook is actually a spell instead of a tradeskill?`
`10:38.03`	`Corrodias`	`sigh, not looking forward to doing even more work tomorrow`
`10:38.12`	`Corrodias`	`and the next day. and then my job on friday, the horror!`
`10:38.32`	`Corrodias`	`i want to go back to the mindless bussing. managing tables (hosting) is too much stress.`
`10:39.21`	`Corrodias`	`there's pressure to do things right. even if i supposedly do well at it, it's not my bag.`
`10:43.17`	`grimman\|afkish`	`yawn`
`10:44.59`	`Corrodias`	`i wish i could play a little Katamari Damashii, or Shadow of the Colossus, but i need my raisin bran and then sleep. ;.; i hate sleeping.`
`10:47.25`	`grimman\|afkish`	`<3 sleeping.`
`11:01.07`	`AnduinLothar`	`i feel you corr, sleepign is a wast eof time`
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`12:36.03`	`JoshBork1`	`morning`
`12:36.16`	`cladhaire`	`morning`
`12:36.18`	`cladhaire`	`i feel horrible this morning.`
`12:36.20`	`cladhaire`	`blegh`
`12:36.31`	`JoshBork1`	`:(`
`12:36.38`	`JoshBork1`	`purl, comfort cladhaire`
`12:36.47`	`purl`	`There, there, cladhaire. It's OK. I'm here for you.`
`12:37.23`	`cladhaire`	`its my back.. i'm not sure if i should go to the doctor, or what.. beyond that i'm jusyt generally tired and considering calling into work =/`
`12:37.28`	`cladhaire`	`pfft.`
`12:38.12`	`Saeris`	`When UNIT_COMBAT's arg1 is "target", is it safe to assume that whatever effect occurred on the target was initiated by the player?`
`12:39.44`	`cladhaire`	`no`
`12:39.55`	`cladhaire`	`i dont think so`
`12:40.44`	`cladhaire`	`but the wii entry is kinda vague.`
`12:40.58`	`cladhaire`	`best bet is to just do some basic testing, then enhane the wiki entry`
`12:41.09`	`cladhaire`	`watch someone fight, while you have their mob targeted and see what fires`
`12:41.21`	`cladhaire`	`then do the same with you fighting a mob`
`12:41.27`	`cladhaire`	`but i suspect you're right`
`12:49.14`	`Mery`	`hmm the last room in scholo, in a map should I call the upper part "Upper Floor" and the part downstairs "Lower Floor" or how would you call them in proper english?`
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`12:50.07`	`[Cu]Werik`	`Or just upstairs and downstairs?:)`
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`12:50.45`	`Mery`	`kk =)`
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`13:08.48`	`Kaso`	`damn you and your "work" !`
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`13:55.08`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`Beladona: Hallo!`
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`14:01.41`	`Maldivia`	`anyone online in TBC right now?`
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`14:11.50`	`Maldivia`	`:\|`
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`14:12.53`	`Garoun\|Loupana`	`what do you need mald?`
`14:14.07`	`Tem`	`GOD why is that thread still there`
`14:14.34`	`Tem`	`wtb delete powers on the UI Boards`
`14:14.50`	`Saeris`	`which one?`
`14:15.42`	`Tem`	`the fucking Panza thread`
`14:15.47`	`Tem`	`I want to strangle the people in that thread`
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`14:17.37`	`Maldivia`	`hehe`
`14:17.37`	`Saeris`	`Oh man, that thread is STILL there? I remember reading it quite a while ago and hoping never to see it again.`
`14:17.47`	`Maldivia`	`I've never read the thread`
`14:18.06`	`Tem`	`it was ressrected a few days back`
`14:18.19`	`Tem`	`some jackhole posted in it with a "I quit because of these changes"`
`14:18.33`	`Maldivia`	`I'd wish they would just quit then!`
`14:18.36`	`Tem`	`bumping it from forgotten land to the front page`
`14:21.19`	`Maldivia`	`Tem: hmm, you know if UnitBuff will take a buff-name as argument, now that UnitHasBuff was removed?`
`14:21.28`	`Maldivia`	`like the GetPlayerBuff supports index and buff-name`
`14:23.16`	`Saeris`	`they removed UnitHasBuff?`
`14:23.19`	`Saeris`	`why?`
`14:24.29`	`Saeris`	`I just tested it. It gives a syntax error if you pass a string as the second argument.`
`14:24.35`	`Maldivia`	`I think because they added the name support to UnitBuff, meaning they would practially be identidcal`
`14:24.43`	`Maldivia`	`yeah, I know it does now`
`14:24.47`	`Maldivia`	`I'm talking next patch`
`14:25.00`	`Saeris`	`Oh, right. When is that being applied?`
`14:25.10`	`Maldivia`	`but we also have UnitHasBuff at the moment, righT?`
`14:27.03`	`Maldivia`	`hmm... Iriel is slacking - the concise list isn't up to date with the latest posts :)`
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`14:41.24`	`TS\|Skrom`	`good morning`
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`14:41.36`	`Mery`	`good morning`
`14:41.59`	`TS\|Skrom`	`my guild tried ony for the first time last night ^.^`
`14:43.20`	`TS\|Skrom`	`that was fun`
`14:44.39`	`Mery`	`didn't kill her?`
`14:44.47`	`TS\|Skrom`	`nope, got her to 38%`
`14:44.51`	`Mery`	`nice :)`
`14:44.58`	`Mery`	`what killed your raid?`
`14:45.01`	`TS\|Skrom`	`we are having trouble going from phase 2 -3`
`14:45.21`	`TS\|Skrom`	`however, on the last attempt I think about 95% of the raid was still up after the deep breaths`
`14:45.31`	`TS\|Skrom`	`so we are starting to get that figured out`
`14:45.35`	`Mery`	`hmm like people not stopping to attack and she doesn't want to go after the tank?`
`14:45.42`	`TS\|Skrom`	`we even had an accidental warder pull on the last attempt`
`14:46.02`	`Mery`	`on our first ever ony kill (well LONG time ago) we had that too =)`
`14:46.09`	`TS\|Skrom`	`yeah... and rogues who don't know where their feint button is and hunter's who can't feign for some reason`
`14:46.24`	`Mery`	`=)`
`14:46.32`	`TS\|Skrom`	`I was frustrated with my class last night (hunter)`
`14:46.46`	`axxo`	`deep breaths just blow`
`14:46.46`	`TS\|Skrom`	`our freakin' class leader pulled aggro in phase 1 3 out of 6 attempts`
`14:46.53`	`axxo`	`still wipe us sometimes :)`
`14:47.49`	`Mery`	`well a hunter shouldn't pull aggro - but then again ony is most likly the first ever figh without taunt for him`
`14:47.56`	`TS\|Skrom`	`he was complaining to me that my mana was too low in phase 1 that I should save one... I was like... "Why? I can just feign at 67% and drink back to full in 10 seconds"`
`14:47.58`	`Mery`	`fight*`
`14:48.24`	`TS\|Skrom`	`I was feigning every 3 aimed shots`
`14:49.04`	`TS\|Skrom`	`well, when the cooldown was upanywa lol`
`14:49.20`	`TS\|Skrom`	`my aimeds do anywhere from 700-2000 on her when she has 5 sunders`
`14:49.33`	`TS\|Skrom`	`so if I let it go too long with auto included I'd be close to pulling aggro`
`14:49.33`	`grimman\|afkish`	`TS\|Skrom: As long as you successfully feign every time you can, you shouldn't be able to pull aggro.`
`14:49.38`	`axxo`	`every 30sec should be enough`
`14:49.44`	`axxo`	`unless you totaly outgear/skill the tank`
`14:49.50`	`Mery`	`yeah and if you resist you gotta be careful`
`14:49.53`	`TS\|Skrom`	`Yep grimman, I don't understand what my class leader's problem was`
`14:49.57`	`TS\|Skrom`	`was making me frustrated though`
`14:50.06`	`TS\|Skrom`	`he died the second attempt from pulling aggro in phase 1`
`14:50.10`	`grimman\|afkish`	`axxo: Well... that shouldn't be a problem if you're still doing Ony. ;P`
`14:50.12`	`axxo`	`loal`
`14:50.15`	`TS\|Skrom`	`and they were like "should we battle rez him?"`
`14:50.47`	`TS\|Skrom`	`and someone commented that he was "our top dps'er"`
`14:50.52`	`Maldivia`	`phase 1 is just afk wanding/auto-attack/auto shot`
`14:50.56`	`TS\|Skrom`	`which didn't mesh with the damage meters...`
`14:50.56`	`Mery`	`you don't battle rez a hunter, save that for the dwarf priest =) (assuming you are alliance)`
`14:51.02`	`grimman\|afkish`	`TS\|Skrom: Success > DPS`
`14:51.03`	`TS\|Skrom`	`naw, we are horde`
`14:51.04`	`grimman\|afkish`	`;)`
`14:51.12`	`axxo`	`hunters are lowest dps`
`14:51.34`	`grimman\|afkish`	`axxo: That depends on how tight the leash on the hunters is.`
`14:51.48`	`axxo`	`unless there is big gear gap, hunters are lowest.`
`14:51.50`	`TS\|Skrom`	`if we push the aggro limit we can be quite high in damage`
`14:52.08`	`Maldivia`	`there's no reason to do insane damage in phase 1, since she doesn't do anything at all in phase 1, so slow steady dps, that doesn't use mana, and you have enough mana for phase 2 and 3`
`14:52.26`	`axxo`	`dps warrior/rogue/mage/warlock/hunter`
`14:52.44`	`grimman\|afkish`	`axxo: In my old guild, hunters were on second or third place.`
`14:52.55`	`grimman\|afkish`	`Pretty much free hands to do what we wanted as long as we lived to tell about it. ;P`
`14:53.01`	`TS\|Skrom`	`my point though Maldivia was that there's no reason not to as a hunter with feign I can be back to full mana in 10 seconds`
`14:53.03`	`axxo`	`grimman\|afkish: mc only?`
`14:53.16`	`grimman\|afkish`	`BWL and AQ40`
`14:53.24`	`Maldivia`	`TS: you can still drink when feignting on boss fights?`
`14:53.24`	`axxo`	`you had some lazy rogues then`
`14:53.29`	`TS\|Skrom`	`yep`
`14:53.31`	`grimman\|afkish`	`Rogues were #1. :P`
`14:53.55`	`Maldivia`	`TS: hmm, ok - I though they fixed that, when they made boss aggro zone wide`
`14:53.56`	`TS\|Skrom`	`did it last night in phase 2 about 4 times on some fights XD`
`14:54.12`	`TS\|Skrom`	`feign still clears combat you just have to rightclick your drink before standing`
`14:54.45`	`TS\|Skrom`	`if you stand from feign then drink you stand a good chance of getting put back in combat`
`14:54.47`	`grimman\|afkish`	`Maldivia: After a successful feign you exit combat briefly... it's possible to spam the mana drink and start drinking before being entered in combat again. But it happens in less than half a second.`
`14:55.11`	`Maldivia`	`grimman: ahh, the same bug as with ress, that allows for res-chaining, I take it`
`14:55.12`	`TS\|Skrom`	`if you stay down you don't reenter`
`14:55.37`	`TS\|Skrom`	`let the drink sit you up and you are fine`
`14:55.43`	`grimman\|afkish`	`Maldivia: Yeah, but it happens faster now so ressing won't be possible I think.`
`14:56.11`	`Maldivia`	`grimman: to be true, haven't played a healer/resser in a long time, so can't say if that's so :9`
`14:56.32`	`TS\|Skrom`	`Would be easy to fix, move the Incombat check for rezzing to the end of the cast`
`14:56.49`	`grimman\|afkish`	`TS\|Skrom: Combat flag breaks any res attempt.`
`14:56.52`	`grimman\|afkish`	`Instantly.`
`14:56.56`	`grimman\|afkish`	`<< Engi. ;P`
`14:56.56`	`TS\|Skrom`	`oh okay lol`
`14:57.06`	`Maldivia`	`It used to be an initial check`
`14:57.10`	`TS\|Skrom`	`didn't know, don't play a healer that often`
`14:57.24`	`grimman\|afkish`	`Only heal I have is a trinket. ;)`
`14:57.29`	`grimman\|afkish`	`Nubbie Lifestone.`
`14:57.34`	`TS\|Skrom`	`hey question for any druid's out there`
`14:57.43`	`grimman\|afkish`	`Well... and bandies of course, but out of the ordinary I mean.`
`14:57.49`	`TS\|Skrom`	`in phase 2 can a druid shift to cat, and run around under ony and cower every 10 seconds?`
`14:58.31`	`Maldivia`	`why even bother`
`14:58.33`	`TS\|Skrom`	`we had some druids coming way to close to pulling aggro`
`14:58.37`	`TS\|Skrom`	`which was weird`
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`14:58.51`	`TS\|Skrom`	`none of them tried cowering which again... I thought was weird`
`14:58.55`	`Maldivia`	`onyxia clears aggro on phase transitions`
`14:58.56`	`TS\|Skrom`	`just wondering if it's possible`
`14:59.06`	`TS\|Skrom`	`oh?`
`14:59.20`	`TS\|Skrom`	`I'd not heard that anywhere`
`14:59.49`	`Maldivia`	`or she did at some point... dont know if she doesn't any more`
`15:00.18`	`TS\|Skrom`	`interesting if it's true, we just let the tank get a good 20k point lead or so and hope for the best XD`
`15:00.33`	`axxo`	`she resets aggro`
`15:01.10`	`axxo`	`tank can hit her while still in the air`
`15:01.17`	`axxo`	`so just have no dots on it at the transition`
`15:01.26`	`TS\|Skrom`	`that explains the stage 3 wipes`
`15:01.45`	`TS\|Skrom`	`anyone with a dot on her and anyone stupid enoguh to keep casting were the ones pulling aggro lol`
`15:02.12`	`grimman\|afkish`	`So that's why our leaders whined about no DOTs. :P`
`15:02.30`	`axxo`	`stop dots at 43%ish and nuke`
`15:02.39`	`axxo`	`stop everything when she lands`
`15:02.44`	`grimman\|afkish`	`I didn't really bother.`
`15:02.48`	`Maldivia`	`From wowwiki's Onyxia entry: "Due to Onyxia's in-flight hate wiping, the main tank will have v...."`
`15:02.50`	`grimman\|afkish`	`Sting -> feign.`
`15:03.09`	`Kaso`	`has anyone read EJ's onyxia thread recently`
`15:03.27`	`axxo`	`grimman\|afkish: she only needs to turn in your directiopn for a split second, to breath/cleave your side and wipe the raid`
`15:03.35`	`grimman\|afkish`	`Yeah.`
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`15:03.43`	`grimman\|afkish`	`But part of being a good player is knowing wtf to do.`
`15:03.54`	`axxo`	`idd, so saying i don't bother, is knowing wtf todo`
`15:04.09`	`grimman\|afkish`	`And staying in your group with aggro on a known AOE mob == not part of a good player's repetoire.`
`15:04.45`	`axxo`	`the only hard part is actually seeing onyxia`
`15:04.45`	`TS\|Skrom`	`our first wipe we got her to phase 2 but died because no one understood what "spread out" means lol`
`15:04.51`	`axxo`	`always out of view :)`
`15:05.18`	`axxo`	`you'll usually get a FB or 2, better to learn to deal with them`
`15:05.21`	`grimman\|afkish`	`Btw, good trick for ranged DPS is to stand behind her in phase 3.`
`15:05.24`	`Maldivia`	`TS: for the tank to get aggro in phase 3, as soon as she emotes, have the MT bandage him self, and use the blood something ability, to get som rage`
`15:05.46`	`axxo`	`melee can use instant casts to hit while in the air`
`15:05.50`	`Maldivia`	`TS: spread out does nothing for the deep breaths :9`
`15:05.51`	`axxo`	`rogues can dps in p2`
`15:05.52`	`TS\|Skrom`	`Maldivia that's a great idea, will share that with the leaders`
`15:05.56`	`grimman\|afkish`	`There are two small "hills" where you can stand... at fear time you have 1-2 seconds to run away from the fire damage before that part gets active.`
`15:06.08`	`TS\|Skrom`	`Maldivia I meant spread out so that not many people are hit by the fire bursts`
`15:06.29`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`why doesnt x,x,one,two,six = string.find(126,"(%d)(%d)(%d)") return strings instead of numbers :X`
`15:06.31`	`TS\|Skrom`	`one person getting hit for 2k better then 10 people :D`
`15:06.31`	`axxo`	`with enough FR you can just eat the FB's anyway`
`15:06.46`	`TS\|Skrom`	`yeah... well consider that we are just starting ony and don't have that much fr yet`
`15:06.49`	`Maldivia`	`TS: ofcourse, have everyone stop doing damage to onyxia when she emotes, and have rogues vanish, hunter FD etc`
`15:06.52`	`foxlit`	`string matching :(`
`15:07.30`	`Maldivia`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u: because you're parsing a string`
`15:07.51`	`TS\|Skrom`	`the first attempt I died to a deep breath so I sat there watching others`
`15:08.02`	`TS\|Skrom`	`and saw about 10 people get hit by a fire burst /palmface`
`15:08.17`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`eh :( sadly if i wana use those variable in if statements i got to convert them fist like if tonumber(one) > 0 then`
`15:08.20`	`Maldivia`	`TS: when you see the DB warning/emote run to the sides :9`
`15:08.21`	`TS\|Skrom`	`nice little 20k damage that had to be healed XD`
`15:08.29`	`TS\|Skrom`	`yep, I was just a little too slow`
`15:08.35`	`axxo`	`run to the right side tho`
`15:08.36`	`TS\|Skrom`	`that was the only time I died to DB though`
`15:08.39`	`Maldivia`	`TS: or better yet, be at the side already, since you're ranged`
`15:08.43`	`TS\|Skrom`	`in six attempts`
`15:09.06`	`axxo`	`just pop fire pot and eat it, lazyness ftw`
`15:09.43`	`TS\|Skrom`	`axxo lol`
`15:09.51`	`Kaso`	`running to "the side" is worthless unless you know which way she is looking`
`15:09.54`	`grimman\|afkish`	`If you're cheap and efficient like me, you find ways to avoid damage alltogether. ;P`
`15:10.20`	`TS\|Skrom`	`Kaso yep, we figured that out about the 5th try and had a hunter ping her location every time she moved`
`15:10.30`	`Kaso`	`this is an interesting thread about ony : http://forums.elitistjerks.com/viewtopic.php?id=9290&p=1`
`15:10.36`	`axxo`	`ayee ^hunter ping is a nice way`
`15:11.31`	`krka`	`do you only get spells on even levels in tbc beta?`
`15:11.41`	`Kaso`	`no`
`15:11.50`	`krka`	`only odd? :)`
`15:11.53`	`Kaso`	`both`
`15:11.56`	`krka`	`cool`
`15:12.02`	`grimman\|afkish`	`!`
`15:12.09`	`grimman\|afkish`	`I thought it was still just even levels.`
`15:12.23`	`Kaso`	`well for priest at least it isnt`
`15:12.42`	`grimman\|afkish`	`On an unrelated note, my landing page has a 4.13 second load time on 28.8k modem apparently. ^^`
`15:13.20`	`grimman\|afkish`	`Kaso: There's no reason for it to be any different for other classes.`
`15:13.35`	`Maldivia`	`I got a nice upgrade to Fire blast at level 61`
`15:13.44`	`grimman\|afkish`	`:)`
`15:13.45`	`Kaso`	`well, maybe some have less spells, but yeh, i was just saying that im not 100% sure for anyone else but priests`
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`15:15.30`	`grimman\|afkish`	`http://dlxmedia.net/ << flaunt flaunt (only the loot page is in use at the moment :P)`
`15:17.03`	`Kaso`	`pretty`
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`15:27.48`	`grimman\|afkish`	`Thank you. :)`
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`15:33.13`	`zenzelezz`	`argh... having a blast in NWN2 playing a warlock, but apparently I won't be allowed to proceed in warlock training if I keep acting only good :-o`
`15:33.32`	`grimman\|afkish`	`Hehe, tough habit to break. :)`
`15:35.08`	`weab`	`hardly`
`15:35.17`	`weab`	`being evil comes naturally to me`
`15:35.37`	`grimman\|afkish`	`I'm only evil when nobody notices.`
`15:35.43`	`grimman\|afkish`	`Far more beneficial.`
`15:35.46`	`grimman\|afkish`	`>:)`
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`15:43.49`	`Industrial`	`How do I copy a char to the beta?`
`15:44.21`	`ScytheBlade1`	`beta.worldofwarcraft.com/expansion/`
`15:44.26`	`Industrial`	`thanks`
`15:45.00`	`Industrial`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:45.03`	`Industrial`	`gg`
`15:45.06`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Haha`
`15:45.35`	`ScytheBlade1`	`So, after extracting the PTR .torrent file from the downloader, and used another program to download it`
`15:45.40`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I find myself actually seeding it`
`15:45.46`	`Industrial`	`heh`
`15:46.49`	`grimman\|afkish`	`What did you use to extract the torrent?`
`15:48.11`	`ScytheBlade1`	`~wikipedia Blizzard Downloader`
`15:48.14`	`ScytheBlade1`	`It's linked on that page`
`15:48.25`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Very bottom`
`15:48.33`	`ScytheBlade1`	`If you use Azureus, I have a magnet link for you`
`15:48.54`	`ScytheBlade1`	`(uTorrent, sadly, still lacks a "search by DHT" feature)`
`15:49.04`	`Industrial`	`http://www.imagesocket.com/view/WoWScrnShot_111406_012210e29.jpg`
`15:49.05`	`Industrial`	`twins!`
`15:49.12`	`Industrial`	`http://www.imagesocket.com/view/WoWScrnShot_111406_0516061c3.jpg`
`15:49.16`	`Industrial`	`this is what i hate about wow`
`15:49.26`	`Industrial`	`http://www.imagesocket.com/view/WoWScrnShot_111506_155433eca.jpg`
`15:49.27`	`Industrial`	`he sucks`
`15:49.28`	`Industrial`	`:D`
`15:49.49`	`Industrial`	`(last one is a floating body)`
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`15:50.34`	`Osagasu`	`http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php CAD FTW!`
`15:52.16`	`grimman\|afkish`	`I'm beginning to think Blood Elves have some genetic spinal deformation that prevents them from standing up straight. ;P`
`15:53.18`	`Kaso`	`have you even seen undead grimman?`
`15:53.29`	`zenzelezz`	`damn you Kaso, I was just typing that`
`15:53.33`	`grimman\|afkish`	`They're dead ffs.`
`15:53.40`	`Industrial`	`no they are not`
`15:53.41`	`grimman\|afkish`	`Or have been.`
`15:53.46`	`Industrial`	`tee hee`
`15:53.49`	`grimman\|afkish`	`In either case, it's perfectly logical.`
`15:53.49`	`ScytheBlade1`	`http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic <-- sorry, PA ftw`
`15:54.02`	`grimman\|afkish`	`PA is nice, CAD is not.`
`15:54.12`	`ScytheBlade1`	`What grimman\|afkish said.`
`15:54.19`	`zenzelezz`	`fools`
`15:54.26`	`zenzelezz`	`CAD is good, Gu is great`
`15:54.28`	`Osagasu`	`http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c301/Crazy-/WoWScrnShot_111406_082114.jpg <---this real?`
`15:54.30`	`grimman\|afkish`	`However... VGCats is better.`
`15:54.42`	`ScytheBlade1`	`They just don't update often enough :(`
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`15:54.53`	`grimman\|afkish`	`Osagasu: Apparently so.`
`15:55.02`	`Osagasu`	`That's not right.`
`15:55.03`	`Maldivia`	`Osagasu: yes... it's the chinese limit :)`
`15:55.30`	`Osagasu`	`The chinese get cut off completely after three hours now, I thought`
`15:55.39`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`dahm i ned to add my prepaid game card whiel the survice is down .`
`15:55.58`	`Kaso`	`they get warned after three, harshly warned after 5, not sure when they DC`
`15:56.03`	`Mikma`	`http://matin.maapallo.org/kuvatuuppari/wulff/340/20061115.gif`
`15:56.28`	`Kaso`	`(and http://www.pbfcomics.com/ is the best)`
`15:56.38`	`grimman\|afkish`	`Mikma: That's a nice comic too. A bit disturbed though. ;D`
`15:56.53`	`Mikma`	`yeah, that's why i propably like it`
`15:57.07`	`grimman\|afkish`	`I have the strip with the submarine saved somewhere on my disk.`
`15:57.12`	`Mikma`	`oh wait i got an another cartoon for you`
`15:57.16`	`Mikma`	`i need to find it first`
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`15:57.34`	`malreth`	`MAN!`
`15:57.40`	`malreth`	`I love Gazmik's style`
`15:57.46`	`malreth`	`http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6070-Fizzwidget_Levelator_(BC_Beta).html`
`15:57.58`	`malreth`	`"It's a smooth operator, so I've named it The Levelator (call it "John" and bring it on elevators if you're so inclined)."`
`15:58.08`	`grimman\|afkish`	`http://loot.dlxmedia.net/?serie_pappersubat_ny.gif ;D`
`15:58.10`	`malreth`	`now that song is stuck in my head`
`15:58.32`	`grimman\|afkish`	`malreth: I have no clue what you're talking about. :D`
`15:58.43`	`malreth`	`~wiki depeche mode`
`15:58.52`	`grimman\|afkish`	`It's QUITE alright.`
`15:59.09`	`malreth`	`~google John the Revelator`
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`15:59.29`	`malreth`	`perl?`
`15:59.39`	`malreth`	`purl?`
`16:00.05`	`malreth`	`http://www.lyricsmania.com/lyrics/depeche_mode_lyrics_1499/playing_the_angel_lyrics_15915/john_the_revelator_lyrics_184214.html`
`16:00.07`	`malreth`	`bah.`
`16:00.43`	`malreth`	`"Taken from OldieLyrics.com" HAAHA!`
`16:02.09`	`malreth`	`anyways, it's a good song...`
`16:02.19`	`Kaso`	`wtf, did they remove /stopmacro ?`
`16:02.38`	`malreth`	`there's also an npc named "Jonathan the Revelator" standing next to the gong at the entrance to AQ`
`16:02.48`	`Mikma`	`grimman\|afkish: http://www.realmofatland.com/?p=37`
`16:02.49`	`malreth`	`i smile everytime i see him`
`16:03.34`	`malreth`	`the other cool thing about the song is it's 3 minutes and 14 seconds in length`
`16:03.53`	`grimman\|afkish`	`Mikma: OK. :P`
`16:04.30`	`grimman\|afkish`	`Maldivia: Anything significance other than the obvious?`
`16:04.43`	`Maldivia`	`:)`
`16:04.52`	`grimman\|afkish`	`malreth*`
`16:05.04`	`malreth`	`:) i think that's the point that they were making with the song`
`16:05.33`	`grimman\|afkish`	`Maybe, maybe not.`
`16:05.37`	`foxlit`	`Hundredth?`
`16:06.39`	`grimman\|afkish`	`THAT would sway my mind. ;)`
`16:09.23`	`foxlit`	`Woudn't take a lot of effor either, nobody'd notice 159s of silence`
`16:09.24`	`foxlit`	`.`
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`16:20.45`	`TS\|Skrom`	`why does a grown woman ask me what a semi colon is`
`16:21.33`	`Cairenn`	`blink`
`16:21.35`	`malreth`	`TS\|Skrom: take it as an opportunity to show her, teach her, and nurture her understanding of intimate punctuation... gently`
`16:21.50`	`TS\|Skrom`	`or I could just laugh`
`16:22.15`	`malreth`	`that's not how a true playa behaves`
`16:22.39`	`TS\|Skrom`	`I havn't been a playa in years`
`16:22.59`	`krka`	`semi-colon is the thing needed to do a ;-)`
`16:23.07`	`krka`	`that's all it's used for, afaik`
`16:23.15`	`TS\|Skrom`	`]lol`
`16:24.03`	`Cide`	`it is used by real programmers, krka!`
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`16:24.47`	`TS\|Skrom`	`I couldn't remember if it was a comma or semi colon in between addresses in outlook`
`16:24.55`	`Cide`	`semi colon`
`16:24.57`	`TS\|Skrom`	`so I told her to try comma first and if that doesn't work try semi colon`
`16:25.01`	`TS\|Skrom`	`she said "what's that?`
`16:25.02`	`Cide`	`well`
`16:25.11`	`Cide`	`they both work I think`
`16:25.13`	`malreth`	`since every other normal email program uses commas, it makes sense for outlook to use a semicolon`
`16:25.30`	`TS\|Skrom`	`she hasn't called back yet so I am guessing comma worked`
`16:26.00`	`TS\|Skrom`	`I have to stop taking people's knowledge levels for granted`
`16:26.17`	`TS\|Skrom`	`I knew she was trying to do a mass mail, I should have known she wouldn't know to use a comma in the first place`
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`17:29.06`	`End-sleep`	`ok, here's a problem`
`17:29.21`	`End`	`how do I show or hide a frame via player input?`
`17:29.33`	`End`	`(assuming it has secure frame kids)`
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`17:37.39`	`MentalPower\|AFK`	`End: you have to use the state headers`
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`17:38.17`	`zenzelezz`	`looks like the "breaking news" people made a mistake when they typed this week's news... forgot to add spaces after the commas in the list of servers that are down for extended maintenance, so it ends up not showing everything`
`17:38.29`	`zenzelezz`	`"Lightbr..."`
`17:40.20`	`End`	`ah, I see now, it's defined in a different lua file`
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`17:55.00`	`zenzelezz`	`I find mistells as fun as the next guy, but there's something a bit creepy about getting one saying "omg...you are alive...ALIVE !!!! well done....good luck there m8... long time wsnt see you online" from someone you don't recall ever talking to`
`17:55.38`	`Shadowed`	`maybe he's really happy?`
`17:56.24`	`zenzelezz`	`could be, but I just don't recall ever seeing his name before :-p`
`17:56.28`	`zenzelezz`	`and I play every day`
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`18:29.57`	`Industrial`	`addict.`
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`18:30.17`	`cogwheel`	`Mmmmmmmm.... Banetna split`
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`18:30.18`	`wereHamster`	`http://transgaming.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=41042 - anyone else affected?`
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`18:44.50`	`Kaso`	`dear god`
`18:44.54`	`Industrial`	`yes?`
`18:44.56`	`Kaso`	`poor people`
`18:45.20`	`Kaso`	`stoofoo noob!`
`18:45.49`	`Industrial`	`wtb 1 epix, 1 hugglez pst`
`18:47.46`	`Saeris`	`Man what. They banned an entire Linux distro?`
`18:47.58`	`Saeris`	`By accident, no less?`
`18:48.00`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Good. Damn linux cheaters.`
`18:48.05`	`Cide`	`hmm, need some advice`
`18:48.25`	`Cide`	`do you think I need a more powerful psu than 550w for a computer with 4gb ram, radeon x1950xtx 512mb, athlon64 dual-core 5200+ (as well as a 250b hard drive, dvd burner and that kind of stuff)?`
`18:48.29`	`Kaso`	`and you're asking here?!`
`18:48.35`	`Cide`	`don't feel like burning another $160+`
`18:48.39`	`Cide`	`yep Kaso, believe it or not!`
`18:48.51`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`You should be fine`
`18:49.00`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`The main power drain on a system is the vid card`
`18:49.49`	`Saeris`	`550 is fine.`
`18:49.59`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`and 550 is generally strong enough to support anythign currently on the market`
`18:50.07`	`Cide`	`awesome, saving money is always good. thanks :)`
`18:50.29`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`You don't need a super psu till you're talking graphical workstations with multiple vid cards and processors`
`18:50.31`	`cogwheel`	`meh... for better money:power ratio, you should've gone with core2duo :P`
`18:50.41`	`wereHamster`	`10-15 wats per harddrive`
`18:50.58`	`cogwheel`	`s/power/performance/`
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`18:51.46`	`Saeris`	`Dare I ask how much all of that cost?`
`18:52.03`	`Cide`	`quite a bit here in sweden`
`18:52.13`	`Cide`	`around $2000`
`18:53.20`	`Saeris`	`Yikes. Well, it ought to remain near the top of the line for nearly a year and a half at the minimum.`
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`18:54.39`	`Cide`	`hopefully. it's finally time to upgrade this semi-ancient piece of technology`
`18:55.46`	`Kaso`	`i wish i could afford to upgrade my pc :<`
`18:55.58`	`Kaso`	`still got an athlon XP`
`18:56.18`	`Saeris`	`I need a little confirmation on item ID pattern before I start writing something: is the pattern "baseID:enchantID:gem1ID:gem2ID:gem3ID:gem4ID:suffixID:instanceID"?`
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`18:58.33`	`chuckg_`	`wereHamster, http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/06/11/15/1652222.shtml`
`18:58.39`	`Kaso`	`yes that seems to be right saeris`
`18:58.45`	`chuckg_`	`Looks like it's not just a rumour!`
`18:59.05`	`Kaso`	`if the article title is a question then its a rumour!`
`18:59.43`	`Kaso`	`saeris incidently, most of the "new" suffixies seem to be negative`
`19:00.06`	`Kirkburn`	`Kaso, you poked me earlier?`
`19:00.18`	`Kaso`	`np, i got it sorted`
`19:00.31`	`Kaso`	`though you can tell me why you randomly pmed me "lol" the other day`
`19:01.26`	`Saeris`	`Negative? Madness!`
`19:01.35`	`Kirkburn`	`I think it was when the TBC server was going down?`
`19:01.46`	`Kaso`	`hm, maybe`
`19:01.52`	`Kirkburn`	`Hence me saying lol out of game, rather than in :)`
`19:02.05`	`Kaso`	`that makes sense`
`19:02.12`	`Saeris`	`%d catches negative numbers, right?`
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`19:03.37`	`Saeris`	`arrrrgh it doesn't.`
`19:03.48`	`Kaso`	`nope :<M`
`19:03.57`	`Cide`	`[-%d]`
`19:04.18`	`Cide`	`or, if you want more proper, %-?%d+`
`19:04.22`	`cogwheel`	`%-?%d+`
`19:04.26`	`Cide`	`I win!`
`19:04.57`	`Esamynn`	`~comfort cogwheel`
`19:05.06`	`purl`	`There, there, cogwheel. It's OK. I'm here for you.`
`19:05.06`	`Saeris`	`Yep, that'll do nicely.`
`19:07.59`	`grimman\|afkish`	`Whieee! Watching the Total Training for Photoshop CS2 DVD now. ^^`
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`19:10.14`	`SB1-Work`	`What's this I hear about a large number of *nix WoW users being banned?`
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`19:15.18`	`Saeris`	`http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/06/11/15/1652222.shtml`
`19:15.36`	`Saeris`	`Looks like it's mostly Cedega.`
`19:16.19`	`SB1-Work`	`Yup`
`19:16.40`	`SB1-Work`	`I don't run wow on linux, but uh...`
`19:16.43`	`SB1-Work`	`Linux kyle 2.6.17.4 #7 Thu Oct 5 14:05:32 MDT 2006 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1.80GHz GNU/Linux`
`19:16.49`	`SB1-Work`	`Doesn't mean I don't run linux :P`
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`19:26.04`	`Thunder_Child`	`http://www.rootkit.com/newsread_print.php?newsid=371`
`19:27.28`	`SB1-Work`	`Yeah.`
`19:27.30`	`SB1-Work`	`and fyi:`
`19:27.33`	`SB1-Work`	`~slashdot`
`19:28.09`	`Kaso`	`"Wikipedia Explodes in China." is that figuratively, or physically`
`19:29.11`	`SB1-Work`	`Former ;)`
`19:29.53`	`Elkano`	`hmm.. the article is tagged "whine" ;)`
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`19:31.18`	`ckknight`	`hey all`
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`19:43.51`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Linux users just need to understand that they are not 'real people', and as such should not enjoy the rights and priviledges associated with honest, hardworking Windows users`
`19:47.41`	`Cide`	`words of wisdom Neuro_Medivh`
`19:49.06`	`JoshBorke`	`Neuro_Medivh: o.O i'm a linux user!`
`19:49.10`	`JoshBorke`	`:-(`
`19:50.04`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`Don't worry, eventually Bill Gates will be elected President of the World, and people like you will be 're-educated'.`
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`19:53.13`	`cogwheel`	`So... I just got a paper cut on my nose... :\|`
`19:54.03`	`zenzelezz`	`...`
`19:54.06`	`cogwheel`	`one minute, i was lifting a print job off the printer, the next i was bleeding...`
`19:54.07`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`I'm scared to ask`
`19:54.12`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`OH`
`19:54.18`	`cogwheel`	`(the printer's on a tall shelf)`
`19:54.23`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`you were huffing the scent of freshly copied pages`
`19:54.30`	`cogwheel`	`it kind of whipped around and smacked me in the face`
`19:54.45`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`lol`
`19:54.55`	`Neuro_Medivh`	`stack of paper:1 cogwheel:0`
`19:55.47`	`cogwheel`	`c'est vrai`
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`20:20.33`	`Saeris`	`Is UNIT_SPELLCAST_SENT triggered even if you're unable to cast the selected spell?`
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`20:40.53`	`Saeris`	`For anyone wondering, the answer was no.`
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`20:58.31`	`\|Shadow\|`	`anyone know a mod that shows your waiting time in BG?`
`20:58.42`	`\|Shadow\|`	`and allows you to open and close the bg stats menu`
`20:58.51`	`axxo`	`standart ui`
`20:59.00`	`Antiarc`	`BattlegroundFu does, I think`
`20:59.01`	`\|Shadow\|`	`the normal bg icon doesn't seem to work anymore`
`20:59.02`	`\|Shadow\|`	`:(`
`20:59.21`	`\|Shadow\|`	`oO i'll get that`
`20:59.50`	`\|Shadow\|`	`i broke my UI so much that i press escape and nothing happens lol`
`21:00.01`	`\|Shadow\|`	`(only sometimes)`
`21:01.40`	`nevcairiel`	`delete wtf and interface and start over`
`21:01.41`	`nevcairiel`	`:)`
`21:01.50`	`\|Shadow\|`	`noes :(`
`21:01.56`	`\|Shadow\|`	`i like my messy ui`
`21:02.11`	`\|Shadow\|`	`http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/5230/wow2006103115521821qa1.jpg can't knock that. lol`
`21:02.58`	`Mikma`	`97.7mb`
`21:03.09`	`\|Shadow\|`	`:D`
`21:03.35`	`\|Shadow\|`	`i have 2gb ddr2 memory though so im not worried`
`21:03.37`	`Mikma`	`that's the most horrible UI i have seen in a long time`
`21:03.44`	`\|Shadow\|`	`most people say that`
`21:03.46`	`\|Shadow\|`	`but i like it`
`21:03.56`	`Mikma`	`no wonder if you're psycho`
`21:03.57`	`\|Shadow\|`	`i prefer a UI thats functional, rather than pretty :)`
`21:04.18`	`foxlit`	`the thing is, you don't need most of the information most of the time`
`21:04.25`	`\|Shadow\|`	`yup`
`21:04.29`	`\|Shadow\|`	`but when i do want the info its there`
`21:04.30`	`\|Shadow\|`	`:D`
`21:04.32`	`Mikma`	`mine is 100% functional too and has all the info i need`
`21:04.51`	`Antiarc`	`My info is nearly completely contextual`
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`21:04.52`	`Antiarc`	`It's awesome.`
`21:04.53`	`eternally777`	`wow.`
`21:05.00`	`eternally777`	`So much dead space`
`21:05.07`	`eternally777`	`I'm... I'm going to cry.`
`21:05.08`	`malreth`	`cogwheel, you fanboi`
`21:05.12`	`foxlit`	`You probably need around 5 buttons as a mage in combat.`
`21:05.23`	`cogwheel`	`malreth: what'd i do now?`
`21:05.25`	`cogwheel`	`:P`
`21:05.31`	`Mikma`	`dear lord. now i don't want to see that ui ever again :P`
`21:05.32`	`\|Shadow\|`	`nah`
`21:05.35`	`\|Shadow\|`	`i use way more than 5 in combat`
`21:05.38`	`malreth`	`you just keep fanboing to get your green text, you fanboi`
`21:05.39`	`\|Shadow\|`	`i use my trinkets all the time`
`21:05.46`	`\|Shadow\|`	`i use my robe of the archmage, and my mana agates`
`21:05.59`	`\|Shadow\|`	`i use my swiftness pots alot in pvp (its great against meleers)`
`21:06.01`	`foxlit`	`./script UseTrinkets() /cast Frostbolt, tbh`
`21:06.08`	`\|Shadow\|`	`lol`
`21:06.27`	`cogwheel`	`funny thing is, i've been threatened with a temp ban for insulting people... I highly doubt i'd be considered for green text (especially given Cairenn's lack thereof)`
`21:06.27`	`foxlit`	`Bit of a pity, that.`
`21:06.52`	`malreth`	`hey cogwheel, i hear blizzard is giving jobs to fangirls that blah blah blah i read more than i post -twitch-`
`21:07.21`	`\|Shadow\|`	`i mean i can't see something in there that i don't use now and again in pvp`
`21:07.30`	`\|Shadow\|`	`except my buttons to switch necklaces, and my tradeskills`
`21:07.41`	`\|Shadow\|`	`and portals\teleports, and my mini pet :P`
`21:08.14`	`malreth`	`~cogwheel`
`21:08.16`	`purl`	`rumour has it, cogwheel is a gnome. 'nuff said. a fanboi. ;)`
`21:08.22`	`foxlit`	`crafting UI`
`21:08.36`	`Osagasu`	`I should probably go in and get my Officer boots before the patch`
`21:08.41`	`malreth`	`hmm... that's a weird way to put it, purl`
`21:08.44`	`Osagasu`	`15% extra move speed in GW form is god`
`21:08.50`	`Osagasu`	`esp in WSG`
`21:08.54`	`ckknight`	`damn gnomes.`
`21:08.57`	`foxlit`	`Summon water/food isn't needed while in combat.`
`21:09.05`	`cogwheel`	`~malreth`
`21:09.06`	`purl`	`never take malreth seriously, or awkwardly strange.`
`21:09.07`	`foxlit`	`AB/AI probably isn't either, costs too darn much.`
`21:09.25`	`cogwheel`	`odd way to put that, too...`
`21:10.19`	`malreth`	`purl is just no good for teasing other people`
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`21:14.49`	`Thunder_Child`	`she is, you just have to set it up properly`
`21:15.00`	`Thunder_Child`	`err..purl is*`
`21:15.16`	`Kaso`	`do you know something about purl we dont`
`21:16.04`	`Thunder_Child`	`yes`
`21:16.39`	`cogwheel`	`purl, literal malreth`
`21:16.47`	`purl`	`"malreth" is "<reply>(malreth is always right\|malreth scares me\|never take malreth seriously)"`
`21:17.11`	`cogwheel`	`Well, it used to have ", or awkwardly strange." at the end...`
`21:17.12`	`Thunder_Child`	`hmm...mal's used to be worse than that`
`21:17.57`	`malreth`	`the emulate is where all the scary stuff is`
`21:18.12`	`Thunder_Child`	`they are different?`
`21:18.26`	`malreth`	`~literal emulate malreth`
`21:18.30`	`purl`	`"emulate malreth" is "<reply>(i have yet to find any olsen twin porn...\|as long as it's not anal-related, it's fine\|that makes me sticky in the pants\|Uh... No. Malreth scares me.\|your hate makes you strong, $who\|it makes me happy in my bathing suit area)"`
`21:18.48`	`malreth`	`oh my`
`21:18.53`	`Thunder_Child`	`thats the good stuff i remeber`
`21:18.59`	`Thunder_Child`	`remember*`
`21:20.14`	`malreth`	`the reply for 'malreth' itself is critical to my comedy routines`
`21:27.31`	`malreth`	`so... i'm thinking of the possibilities now that we have SetMouselookOverrideBinding()`
`21:30.08`	`malreth`	`well... i'll think about it some other time...`
`21:31.25`	`Kaso`	`anyone on tempest keep eu fancy standing in hellfire so i can farm mark of thrallmar off you :>`
`21:34.05`	`thr`	`Do you need any rep with zandalar above friendly to be able to use the zg-enchants? So long since i dinged exahlted with them can't remember ;<`
`21:34.37`	`Antiarc`	`Yes, you have to get friendly to get the quest`
`21:34.58`	`thr`	`nothing more?`
`21:35.19`	`Antiarc`	`You need the token, obviously.`
`21:35.30`	`Antiarc`	`And the doll`
`21:36.12`	`Antiarc`	`But no, the quest becomes available at friendly.`
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`21:40.30`	`thr`	`ok good`
`21:40.34`	`thr`	`so long ago ,<`
`21:40.38`	`thr`	`don't remember at all`
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`22:13.53`	`JoshBorke`	`woohoo! fixed problems at work`
`22:14.37`	`Thunder_Child`	`that end of day bouns is looking good then`
`22:14.44`	`Thunder_Child`	`bonus*`
`22:20.45`	`foxlit`	`Is there any easy way to split a delimited string?`
`22:21.11`	`foxlit`	`(message 1 # message 2 # message 3)`
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`22:22.51`	`JoshBorke`	`foxlit: in wow 2.0 there is`
`22:23.18`	`foxlit`	`Don't really want to wait that long, but how would that look like come 2.0?`
`22:24.25`	`JoshBorke`	`strsplit("delimiters","string"[,"limit"]) -- split a string on any of the delimiter characters`
`22:24.34`	`Thunder_Child`	`can you copy a premade char in the PTR?`
`22:24.41`	`foxlit`	`no`
`22:24.48`	`Thunder_Child`	`ah, ok`
`22:24.56`	`Thunder_Child`	`thanks`
`22:25.34`	`JoshBorke`	`no premades on ptr`
`22:25.55`	`foxlit`	`I'm going for while (string.find(str, delimiter)) _,_,part,str = string.find(str,"(.-)" .. delimiter .. "(.+)"); DoStuff(part); end DoStuff(str)`
`22:27.05`	`JoshBorke`	`foxlit: look up the string.gfind function`
`22:29.03`	`foxlit`	`I'm aware of what it does, but I'm not sure of what pattern would match that one`
`22:29.38`	`JoshBorke`	`true`
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`22:45.19`	`Mery`	`http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=47009071&sid=1&pageNo=4#78 - even Tseric seems to be a little fed up with the ui change discussion =) (although it didn't belong in that topic)`
`22:46.09`	`Shadowed`	`Ban them all`
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`22:51.43`	`foxlit`	`What sparked that "omgz, blizzard bans linux!" thing anyway?`
`22:52.11`	`Mery`	`well I didn't follow it, but looks like there has been a slashdot article`
`22:52.48`	`foxlit`	`Slashdot is hardly a primary source, though`
`22:53.58`	`Mery`	`well i guess the "news" is purely based on forum posts`
`22:54.28`	`foxlit`	`Ah, cedega forums`
`22:54.30`	`Mery`	`at least I didn't saw any other information as people claiming they got banned soly for using linux`
`22:54.33`	`Shadowed`	`Mery: Theres a bunch of Glider bans happening`
`22:54.43`	`Mery`	`yeah blizzard bans in waves`
`22:54.52`	`Shadowed`	`well`
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`22:55.05`	`Shadowed`	`this is another wave, and people are blaming everything else except what they actually did to cause it :p`
`22:55.18`	`Mery`	`yeah :)`
`22:55.32`	`Mery`	`and honestly if they havn't botted`
`22:55.46`	`Mery`	`they should just all send in their system speccs`
`22:55.54`	`Mery`	`and blizzard should easily be able to reproduce it`
`22:56.59`	`JoshBorke`	`i'm concerned about it`
`22:57.15`	`JoshBorke`	`i'm not going to install vista on my next computer`
`22:57.25`	`JoshBorke`	`i want to run linux, but i don't want to have to give up wow`
`22:57.47`	`foxlit`	`But what will you do without all those fancy visual effects that is Aero?`
`22:58.49`	`Shadowed`	`ckknight: I take it you havn't heard anything from slouken regarding ChatFrame_OnEvent yet?`
`22:59.05`	`ckknight`	`not yet`
`22:59.10`	`ckknight`	`he said it was being worked on`
`22:59.13`	`Shadowed`	`kk`
`22:59.23`	`ckknight`	`until then, AceComm has a horribly icky hack to hook it without actually hooking it.`
`22:59.37`	`Shadowed`	`suckers and your popular mods!`
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`23:00.47`	`Maldivia`	`for i=1,7 do hook(getglobal("ChatFrame"..i).AddMessage, myAddMessageToHideMessages) end`
`23:01.50`	`Shadowed`	`think he needs to block an entire channel which you cant really check for message wise`
`23:01.58`	`Maldivia`	`ofcourse you can`
`23:02.08`	`Shadowed`	`?`
`23:02.15`	`Maldivia`	`event, arg1..arg9 are global variables :)`
`23:02.35`	`Shadowed`	`Though they removed the usage of arg1...arg9 in 2.0.0?`
`23:02.45`	`Mery`	`JoshBorke: Tseric stated in that thread also that playing WoW under Linux does not break the ToS, and they also check warden on those setups`
`23:02.59`	`cladhaire`	`its not removed`
`23:03.02`	`Maldivia`	`Shadowed: as far as I know, they are still there, although the local vars are the prefered way`
`23:03.02`	`cladhaire`	`just deprecated imo`
`23:03.05`	`Shadowed`	`ahhh`
`23:03.08`	`Shadowed`	`though they actually removed it`
`23:03.54`	`Thunder_Child`	`are they going to come out with pregened chars for Beta?`
`23:04.01`	`JoshBorke`	`hrm`
`23:04.16`	`JoshBorke`	`they deprecated arg1..n for 2.0?`
`23:04.18`	`Maldivia`	`Thunder_Child: dont think they are bringing them back, no`
`23:04.22`	`Gryphen`	`doesnt ook like it thezanke`
`23:04.24`	`Gryphen`	`Thunder_Child`
`23:04.25`	`JoshBorke`	`so now they are passed to the functions?`
`23:04.34`	`Saeris`	`Yeah`
`23:04.35`	`Maldivia`	`JoshBorke: yes, all On* blocks have local variables/function parameters now`
`23:04.58`	`Saeris`	`Including "self" as the first`
`23:05.07`	`Maldivia`	`function OnEvent(self, event, ...) for instance`
`23:05.08`	`JoshBorke`	`yea, the self at the front threw off my mod`
`23:05.14`	`JoshBorke`	`mmk`
`23:05.41`	`Thunder_Child`	`then why do they have the place for the option?`
`23:06.01`	`cladhaire`	`cause its always there, even when the servers are down`
`23:06.20`	`cladhaire`	`shtug`
`23:06.27`	`cladhaire`	`why they disable it instead of hide, i dunno`
`23:06.35`	`Mery`	`Thunder_Child: well because its the standart copy to test interface and because they will probably allow it to test high end raid content (i think)`
`23:07.29`	`Thunder_Child`	`it's not standard for the beta`
`23:07.41`	`Thunder_Child`	`yet it's there`
`23:07.55`	`Gryphen`	`Thunder_Child: http://beta.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=291893&sid=1`
`23:08.28`	`Thunder_Child`	`what bastards`
`23:08.31`	`Mery`	`uhm the copying to the test server that just opened used the same copy html pages as beta`
`23:08.33`	`Thunder_Child`	`oh well, thanks`
`23:14.21`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge kelvie (n=kelvie@d154-20-159-52.bchsia.telus.net)`
`23:15.59`	`foxlit`	`Bah, that's going to hurt`
`23:27.39`	`Guillotine`	`anyone know what the TOC number for the new patch is? is it the same as expansion?`
`23:28.08`	`ckknight`	`20000`
`23:28.18`	`Thunder_Child`	`1.notyetbc.x`
`23:28.40`	`ckknight`	`it's 20000`
`23:28.46`	`Guillotine`	`alright, so same as TBC`
`23:29.50`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge weab_ (n=asdf@cpe-66-68-62-162.austin.res.rr.com)`
`23:29.55`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Rophy (n=Miranda@220-140-18-18.dynamic.hinet.net)`
`23:30.33`	`Kaso`	`maldivia`
`23:30.39`	`Maldivia`	`Kaso`
`23:30.45`	`Kaso`	`someone ninjaed one :<`
`23:30.50`	`Maldivia`	`told you`
`23:30.56`	`Kaso`	`mm`
`23:31.01`	`Kaso`	`np, ill try again later,`
`23:31.05`	`Maldivia`	`Ok`
`23:31.05`	`Kaso`	`when im sitting at the AH`
`23:31.23`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge ckknight_ (n=ckknight@198.199.136.121)`
`23:31.29`	`Maldivia`	`which one was ninjaed?`
`23:31.35`	`Kaso`	`the good one`
`23:31.36`	`Kaso`	`the crop`
`23:31.39`	`Maldivia`	`k`
`23:58.03`	`cladhaire`	`Anyone on beta Hellfire and want to level to 61 with my Drood?`
`23:58.21`	`cladhaire`	`i'm resto oomkin atm =)`
`23:58.31`	`Guillotine`	`me too!`
`23:58.40`	`Guillotine`	`actually, I'm full oomkin on hellfire`
`23:58.49`	`cladhaire`	`nelf?`
`23:58.52`	`Guillotine`	`yup`
`23:58.57`	`Thunder_Child`	`i'd join but i think i am a tad to low`
`23:58.58`	`cladhaire`	`boo`
`23:59.25`	`Guillotine`	`cladhaire: do the quest for illidari's embrace or whatever it is`
`23:59.35`	`Guillotine`	`gets you about half a level, full rank of rep, and an awesome trinket`
`23:59.38`	`cladhaire`	`umm`
`23:59.39`	`cladhaire`	`where?`
`23:59.40`	`cladhaire`	`pls.`
`23:59.45`	`Guillotine`	`are you alliance or horde?`
`23:59.53`	`cladhaire`	`hrode.`
`23:59.59`	`Thunder_Child`	`blech`

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