| 00:02.15 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Guillotine (n=Guilloti@ns.motek-services.com) |
| 00:03.26 | Kaso | whats the bug report /slash |
| 00:03.51 | Guillotine | in TBC? |
| 00:03.52 | *** join/#wowi-lounge ckknight (n=ckknight@198.199.136.121) |
| 00:03.53 | Guillotine | they got rid of it :/ |
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| 00:03.59 | Guillotine | only way to report bugs is the forum now |
| 00:04.05 | ckknight | hey all |
| 00:04.09 | Kaso | how dare they! it even still says when you log on |
| 00:04.12 | zenzelezz | heya |
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| 00:13.39 | Cairenn | hi ckknight |
| 00:15.09 | Kaso | hmm, i seem to have lost my pet bar |
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| 00:20.43 | Mike | Did you find anything else wrong, Tain or elseone? |
| 00:26.18 | Cairenn | hi Garoun|Loupana |
| 00:26.31 | MentalPower | hey Garoun|Loupana |
| 00:26.36 | Inside | okay |
| 00:26.39 | Inside | fuck this uno game, I call it done. |
| 00:26.43 | Inside | <3 |
| 00:26.56 | Garoun|Loupana | I truly feel sorry for you and the amount of pm's emails I'm sure you're getting Cair :) |
| 00:27.16 | Cairenn | it's been busy, that's for sure |
| 00:27.24 | Inside | whre do I submit a mod :D? |
| 00:27.43 | Cairenn | pick which category it belongs in and upload there |
| 00:27.47 | Inside | where? |
| 00:28.03 | Garoun|Loupana | shame on you if your asking that Inside |
| 00:28.07 | Garoun|Loupana | you're |
| 00:28.10 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/index.php? |
| 00:30.37 | Inside | That's downloads, not uplods |
| 00:30.37 | Inside | =| |
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| 00:31.00 | Cairenn | pick.which.category.it.belongs.in.and.upload.there |
| 00:31.35 | Thunder_Child | lol |
| 00:31.35 | Thunder_Child | ~calm Cairenn |
| 00:31.37 | purl | ACTION sooths Cairenn, offers a backrub, tea, a jacuzzi and anything else that might help calm Cairenn down. |
| 00:31.37 | Cairenn | you have to be logged in |
| 00:33.29 | zenzelezz | Inside: don't you think it would make sense if you could upload to the same categories you can download from? The mods in those have to get there somehow you know |
| 00:34.02 | Cairenn | there is also an upload link on the front page of the site, left side menu |
| 00:34.36 | Cairenn | to me it just makes more sense to have the upload button in the appropriate category /shrug |
| 00:35.11 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn, isnt wowi supposed to work with wgu? |
| 00:35.26 | Cairenn | work with in what way? |
| 00:35.30 | ScytheBlade1 | I still lack a key :( |
| 00:35.51 | Thunder_Child | there is a spicifc buttong that makes the addon go through the program |
| 00:35.59 | Thunder_Child | button on your site |
| 00:37.26 | Cairenn | yeah, it's at the bottom when you go to upload your interface |
| 00:37.34 | Cairenn | "Enable WGP link" |
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| 00:38.05 | Thunder_Child | ah, so most arent setup for D/L then |
| 00:38.13 | Cairenn | nope |
| 00:38.38 | Thunder_Child | ok, that explains that |
| 00:38.45 | Cairenn | it's up to the individual author |
| 00:39.07 | Tem | and it's setup that way because it's not a set and forget thing |
| 00:39.19 | Tem | using wgp requires extra work on the author's part |
| 00:39.23 | zenzelezz | WGP? |
| 00:39.41 | Cairenn | and we're actually considering pulling it, since we're not sure how much, if anything, that site is doing any more, since they never bother to communicate with us any longer |
| 00:39.44 | Thunder_Child | wowguru updater |
| 00:40.06 | Thunder_Child | err..p...profiler? |
| 00:40.12 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 00:40.40 | MentalPower | Protocol |
| 00:40.45 | MentalPower | WoWGuru Protocol |
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| 00:57.50 | Tain | hee hee protocol. That was a fun night. |
| 00:59.53 | Thunder_Child | You know, having someone shoot me, then dieing before it hits respawning and having it hit me then is really really Aggravating |
| 01:05.07 | ScytheBlade1 | rofl |
| 01:06.17 | Thunder_Child | i knew i could count on you ppl for compasion and understanding |
| 01:06.50 | Cairenn | ~console Thunder_Child |
| 01:06.52 | purl | ACTION gives Thunder_Child the consolation moose |
| 01:07.12 | Thunder_Child | who writes this stuff |
| 01:08.10 | Thunder_Child | the emotes |
| 01:08.16 | ScytheBlade1 | ~lart Thunder_Child |
| 01:08.38 | Inside | Noooo D: |
| 01:08.45 | Inside | Quick, someone approve my mod :P |
| 01:09.25 | ckknight | Inside, what's your mod? |
| 01:09.32 | Inside | My uno bot c_c |
| 01:09.46 | Inside | A bot is a mod. |
| 01:09.47 | Mike | What is this uno? |
| 01:09.53 | Inside | Uno is like sex |
| 01:10.01 | Inside | Spread across four colors, 108 cards. |
| 01:10.15 | Inside | >_> |
| 01:10.22 | Mike | Inside is now ingnored. |
| 01:10.26 | Inside | :( |
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| 01:13.48 | Cairenn | hey Gello |
| 01:14.04 | Gello | heya |
| 01:15.29 | ckknight | hey Gello |
| 01:15.38 | Gello | hola |
| 01:16.10 | MentalPower | Thunder_Child: the community that uses purl writes its responses |
| 01:18.41 | Thunder_Child | i know, i was just bitching |
| 01:18.48 | Thunder_Child | ish |
| 01:21.26 | ScytheBlade1 | How can a frame inherit multiple templates? |
| 01:21.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Multiple inherit= statements, or inherit="A,B,C"..? |
| 01:21.55 | MentalPower | inherit "A,B,C" |
| 01:22.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Awesome, ty |
| 01:22.51 | Tain | Aw Brittney is getting divorced. |
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| 01:30.10 | kaiden | maybe she'll get her career back now that she got rid of k-fed |
| 01:32.28 | zenzelezz | and I thought we'd finally heard the last of her |
| 01:40.12 | JoshBork2 | no key :-( |
| 01:41.06 | ckknight | she got rid of k-fed? |
| 01:41.16 | ckknight | now Britney can be all mine! |
| 01:41.19 | ckknight | wait, she became a fatty |
| 01:41.19 | ckknight | nvm |
| 01:42.59 | Thunder_Child | looks can change |
| 01:43.34 | Thunder_Child | it's all about the personality |
| 01:45.23 | ckknight | but she has a kid now. |
| 01:46.19 | Thunder_Child | so, just like her, the kid will call you daddy |
| 01:46.33 | ckknight | lol |
| 01:46.36 | Cairenn | 2 of them, actually |
| 01:46.37 | zenzelezz | I think he wants her to call him daddy |
| 01:46.41 | zenzelezz | not the kid |
| 01:48.50 | TheZanke` | i want to try to make a new addon...but i dont know what to make |
| 01:48.59 | TheZanke` | you guys are so good there is nothing needed modded |
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| 01:50.53 | ckknight | thezanke, there is always more to do |
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| 02:05.41 | Inside | Hmmm. |
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| 02:08.06 | Inside | Yay~ submitted for a beta key lulz |
| 02:10.13 | zenzelezz | so you'll keep your mod updated so it runs in BC? |
| 02:10.24 | Inside | Of course |
| 02:10.29 | Inside | Next, I'm gonna write a checked mod. |
| 02:10.35 | Inside | checker's |
| 02:10.38 | Inside | checkers* |
| 02:10.49 | zenzelezz | the game? |
| 02:11.05 | Inside | Yes. |
| 02:11.54 | zenzelezz | sounds cool |
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| 02:14.49 | Inside | I dunno about checkers though, that's a lot of work for something rather meh. |
| 02:15.06 | Inside | Hmmm.. RISK! Azeroth edition. HAWT> |
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| 02:16.18 | cladhaire | that would rock |
| 02:16.29 | cladhaire | use the map stuff everyone has come out with |
| 02:16.36 | Inside | Hmmm. |
| 02:16.39 | cladhaire | it'll be risk + google maps + azeroth == teh win |
| 02:16.50 | Inside | Well.. not google maps. |
| 02:16.53 | cladhaire | make it a raid game.. and notify someone when its their turn |
| 02:16.58 | cladhaire | well the google-maps look |
| 02:17.00 | cladhaire | since we can do that now. |
| 02:17.01 | Inside | Right. |
| 02:17.02 | Inside | Raid game? |
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| 02:17.22 | Thunder_Child | as in during a raid |
| 02:17.25 | Thunder_Child | when ppl are waiting |
| 02:17.29 | cladhaire | yeah |
| 02:17.30 | Inside | Hmmm |
| 02:17.32 | Cairenn | hi malreth, norgs |
| 02:17.33 | cladhaire | like the poker mod |
| 02:17.37 | cladhaire | but less.. kill your healers. |
| 02:17.43 | cladhaire | i mean healers let mt die. |
| 02:17.46 | cladhaire | i can't talk/type tonight |
| 02:18.37 | kaiden | So i'm preparing for TBC, stocking up various characters with various types of materials to handle everything ie cooking, first aid, jewelcrafting |
| 02:18.48 | kaiden | Anyone have any idea's how much cloth is necessary to skill up to 300 FA |
| 02:18.54 | kaiden | i'm thinking 10-15 stacks of each type of cloth |
| 02:19.03 | Thunder_Child | hah |
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| 02:19.24 | Thunder_Child | far more than 10-15 for high end |
| 02:19.52 | Tain | There's one or two spots where you can easily run through a few stacks just to get the last few green pointns to the next bandage level. |
| 02:20.10 | kaiden | Yeah i guess i'm gonna have to try it a few times to get it down right |
| 02:20.19 | kaiden | i'll start with 10 stacks of the lower end clothes |
| 02:20.25 | Inside | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=14733438&sid=1 |
| 02:20.25 | kaiden | and 15-20 of the higher end |
| 02:20.26 | Inside | >_> |
| 02:20.34 | Inside | I've found that thread to be fairly accurate. |
| 02:21.28 | kaiden | can't get to it says Server Busy ;) typical blizzard forums sadly |
| 02:21.39 | Inside | Just hit reload until it loads. |
| 02:22.10 | kaiden | oooh very nice thank you Inside |
| 02:26.46 | nymbia | but yeah, JJSheets- in jigsaw, i get about 2 seconds of freeze time when i add an item in my "consumable" category (93 items) to the goal. |
| 02:29.02 | Kirkburn | Can I just say .... WOW, I'm impressed by Outland |
| 02:30.19 | zenzelezz | yes, you may |
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| 02:36.46 | Kirkburn | I can't believe I'm currently standing on the top of a Zangarmarsh mushroom :P |
| 02:37.11 | Kirkburn | I love the slide-in/slide-out lifts |
| 02:37.23 | Adrine | The lifts got me a couple of times :/ |
| 02:37.35 | Adrine | OH hey, we're at the top, let's jump o...well, that didn't work so well. |
| 02:37.41 | Kirkburn | Took me a few secs to work out what was going on ;) |
| 02:37.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Someone link me to the beta char copy screen? |
| 02:37.58 | Kirkburn | I did that at the *bottom* though :P |
| 02:38.03 | Adrine | Poor Altar of Storms |
| 02:38.13 | Adrine | I rolled a random character there to work on Sanity while Cenarion Circle is down |
| 02:38.25 | Adrine | And the noob area is utterly infested with people being morons while their servers are down |
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| 02:43.49 | Inside | Anyone here use flash? |
| 02:44.10 | Inside | This one lawyer lady wanted me to make her a webpage and I just wanted to make something flashy for the header of the page -- maybe a little fade-y thing. |
| 02:44.44 | Tain | I'd like to recommend against that. |
| 02:44.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Same |
| 02:44.56 | Inside | I know I know. |
| 02:45.16 | Inside | Well |
| 02:45.18 | Inside | My page is this -- http://www.insidetheasylum.com |
| 02:45.23 | Inside | I was gonna go use a similar layout to that. |
| 02:45.30 | Inside | With the seperate boxe thingies for the header and so on. |
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| 02:45.57 | Xuerian | Inside: Lawyer ~= flashy. |
| 02:46.26 | Inside | It wouldn't be flashy flashy. |
| 02:46.30 | Inside | Um.. |
| 02:46.37 | Inside | Something with neutral colors xD |
| 02:46.37 | Cairenn | I was going to say the same thing, but thinking about some of the ambulance chasers the US has ... |
| 02:47.02 | Inside | Well, she actually has a pretty big practice c_c |
| 02:47.49 | zespri_work | ambulance chasers? what is that? |
| 02:48.14 | Inside | Someone who tries to convince people who have been injured to sue what they were injured by -- slippery sidewalk, hot coffee spilled in lap, etc. |
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| 02:48.42 | Inside | YOUR SIDEWALK WAS SLIPPERY! I broke my hip. $50,000 in medical bills + $100,000 emotional compensation. pay up! |
| 02:48.53 | zespri_work | right |
| 02:49.03 | Inside | (PS: Those people sometimes win. Which is scary) |
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| 02:50.06 | zespri_work | looks like being a doctor is dangerous profession. if you actually god forbit start helping people you get sued immideately |
| 02:50.14 | zespri_work | at least according to tv shows that I watch =) |
| 02:50.15 | Inside | Well not really |
| 02:50.32 | Inside | Lawyers pay out of the ass for malpractice insurance so in reality they don't usually see much of a hit from being sued. |
| 02:51.17 | Inside | Damnt what the fuck |
| 02:51.27 | Inside | I could've sworn I changed the default commenting ACL on my page to registered users only. |
| 02:52.29 | Inside | I wouldn't mind those spammer bots so much if they didn't spam crap like "ILLEGALBROTHERSISTERINCEST" "VIOLENTSEXPICTURES.COM" |
| 02:53.57 | zespri_work | with the same download speed tbc will have finished downloading in 6 hours. I bet I won't have the key by that. (ahven't this channel got enough of this topic?) |
| 02:54.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Hey, someone on US PvE beta toss Ometul a guild invite |
| 02:54.24 | ScytheBlade1 | I feel all alone |
| 02:54.26 | Inside | I won't get my key till next tuesday, if that :| |
| 02:54.37 | jklaroe | I already downloaded and patched the client about 2 hours after I submited my info >.< |
| 02:54.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Don't touch me. |
| 02:54.47 | ScytheBlade1 | ~lart Industrial |
| 02:54.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Erm |
| 02:54.52 | ScytheBlade1 | ~lart Inside |
| 02:54.58 | Inside | Assassination FAILED. |
| 02:55.28 | Cairenn | ScytheBlade1: which side? |
| 02:55.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Alliance |
| 02:56.46 | ScytheBlade1 | ty |
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| 03:02.39 | jklaroe | . |
| 03:02.56 | kaiden | So i wonder if blizzard is doing those beta invites in sets |
| 03:03.29 | Tain | I have it on good authority that they're sending emails only to people who don't keep hitting their, "Check email" button. |
| 03:03.46 | jklaroe | cairenn said something about tonight \ tomorrow since EU was getting their's today and last night |
| 03:03.47 | kaiden | i dont hit mine ;) gtalk checks it automagically |
| 03:03.57 | Kirkburn | I've lost my pet bat! |
| 03:04.00 | Kirkburn | *bar!! |
| 03:04.32 | Kirkburn | What's the show/hide command for it? |
| 03:04.34 | Tain | A watched email never boils. |
| 03:04.38 | jklaroe | lol |
| 03:05.19 | jklaroe | I've come to one realization so far, I get ALOT of spam mail per minute >.< |
| 03:05.48 | kaiden | omg.. this is classic.. this is the tell i just got from someone.. [W from] <14:Oq>: I have more 60's than you have had girlfriends! |
| 03:06.07 | Inside | >_> |
| 03:06.09 | Inside | Okay |
| 03:06.24 | kaiden | i had to cry a little inside :P |
| 03:06.28 | kaiden | no pun intended |
| 03:06.49 | Inside | I has as many 60s as I have girlfriends! HAH |
| 03:07.20 | Tain | I've bought more girlfriends than you have characters! |
| 03:07.26 | jklaroe | O_o |
| 03:07.30 | kaiden | haha! |
| 03:07.52 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 03:08.13 | kaiden | Tain is a 1 man hooker factory |
| 03:08.14 | kaiden | ;P |
| 03:09.25 | jklaroe | almost time for adult swim >.> |
| 03:12.37 | Kirkburn | Hey! They upped the quest log limit |
| 03:13.29 | Inside | To how muc? |
| 03:13.30 | Inside | much? |
| 03:13.33 | Kirkburn | 25 |
| 03:15.07 | jklaroe | . |
| 03:17.58 | ScytheBlade1 | So all in all, I'm *very* new to the FrameXML part of addons |
| 03:18.45 | ScytheBlade1 | http://rafb.net/paste/results/TGtkFC20.html <-- how would I texture that? |
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| 03:24.43 | Tem | I wonder how many people think they are writing flexbar2 for tbc |
| 03:24.54 | Tem | I've heard at least 4 different people say so |
| 03:25.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Tem> it'd be horribly easy to do, but I'm just messing around trying to learn this :P |
| 03:26.16 | Tem | I suppose once you understand how to use the state header, the first thought that occurs to you is, "zomg, I could write flexbar in an afternoon" |
| 03:26.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Mostly because you *could* |
| 03:26.44 | ScytheBlade1 | But I'm just looking to learn the FrameXML + Secure* now |
| 03:27.19 | Tem | I was planning on making an addon to create dummy actions that trigger fake macros |
| 03:27.28 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 03:27.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Out of curiosity, could you answer my question? ;) |
| 03:27.48 | Tem | to make the state hader into something like a macro system |
| 03:28.15 | Tem | but now that /cast has new options, I don't need to :) |
| 03:28.32 | ScytheBlade1 | It's true, the new macro system is slightly amazing... |
| 03:28.46 | Tem | I was about to answer it, but I got myself side-tracked thinking about flexbar |
| 03:29.01 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 03:29.10 | Tem | you need to create a texture object |
| 03:29.21 | Tem | I would look at ActionButtonTemplate.xml |
| 03:29.31 | ScytheBlade1 | ty |
| 03:30.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Tem, that's rather easy, ty |
| 03:30.53 | Tem | np |
| 03:33.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Now for the question of the day: anyone have a listfile for the MPQs? ;) |
| 03:33.30 | Inside | >_> |
| 03:33.39 | Inside | Slightly dissapointed that nobody likes unooo |
| 03:34.56 | Mike | Hi |
| 03:35.04 | ScytheBlade1 | I take it $parent returns Parent:GetName()? |
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| 03:35.54 | norgs | I'm having a bit of trouble with dynamic frames I'm trying to create a frame which catches events but it just doesn't work. Wondering if an expert can look at my code and see what i'm doing wrong: http://wowi.pastey.net/2227 |
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| 03:36.26 | Tem | norgs, BC? |
| 03:36.51 | norgs | nope |
| 03:36.59 | norgs | normal wow 1.12.1 |
| 03:37.04 | Tem | ah, then your problem is the parameter |
| 03:37.11 | MentalPower | ScytheBlade1: http://www.zezula.net/en/mpq/download.html |
| 03:37.18 | Tem | change that to function myFunction() |
| 03:37.21 | ScytheBlade1 | MentalPower, thanks |
| 03:37.33 | ScytheBlade1 | ... oh, that isn't listfiles |
| 03:37.41 | MentalPower | yes it is |
| 03:37.45 | MentalPower | read a bit down |
| 03:37.46 | Tem | (if it were BC, you'd change it to "function myFunction(self,event)") |
| 03:38.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah-ha! |
| 03:38.01 | ScytheBlade1 | So it is! |
| 03:38.02 | ScytheBlade1 | ty |
| 03:38.08 | norgs | so... event is a global? |
| 03:38.47 | Tem | norgs, yes |
| 03:39.11 | norgs | hmmm - still doesn't work |
| 03:39.42 | Tem | DEFAUT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage |
| 03:39.52 | norgs | er |
| 03:40.00 | norgs | sorry - my fault - it's erroring |
| 03:40.05 | Tem | you should be getting an "attempt to call a table value" error with that error |
| 03:40.23 | Tem | s/t error/t code/ |
| 03:40.37 | norgs | it's saying event is nil |
| 03:41.24 | Tem | it is if you still have it in the paramater list |
| 03:42.00 | norgs | nope |
| 03:42.19 | Tem | then the error you're getting is attempt to concatenate a nil value? |
| 03:42.58 | norgs | meh - i'm stupid |
| 03:43.04 | norgs | don't worry about me |
| 03:43.13 | Tem | what was it/ |
| 03:43.23 | Tem | s/\/?/ |
| 03:43.32 | Tem | s/\//?/ |
| 03:43.38 | Kirkburn | Argh, broken quest |
| 03:43.43 | Tem | I think I just broke perl |
| 03:43.46 | Tem | Kirkburn, which? |
| 03:43.54 | norgs | when i setscript it created a reference to my function, then i replaced the function via a /script command, but it's still calling my original function by reference |
| 03:44.05 | Tem | hehe |
| 03:44.08 | Kirkburn | Waste Not, Want Not ... can't pick up the wood or metal |
| 03:44.21 | Tem | Kirkburn, that quest shouldn't be bugged |
| 03:44.28 | Tem | make sure you're trying to pick up the right stuff |
| 03:44.33 | Kirkburn | I wouldn't think any should be :P |
| 03:44.37 | Tem | there's a few quests like that around HFP |
| 03:44.51 | Tem | so there's quite a bit of debris |
| 03:45.23 | Kirkburn | These do look quite like pieces of wood and metal though, next to seige machinery :/ |
| 03:45.30 | Kirkburn | I've been all over HFP, too |
| 03:45.46 | Tem | that's where I remember getting /all/ of my metal |
| 03:45.51 | Tem | it might be bugged |
| 03:46.04 | Tem | though, usually quests start bugged and get fixed, not the other way around |
| 03:46.13 | Kirkburn | Ooh, I see some working wood :) |
| 03:46.46 | Kirkburn | I think the location was bugged |
| 03:46.54 | Kirkburn | (right next door) |
| 03:48.41 | Tem | ah |
| 03:48.50 | Tem | are the seige tanks actually there now? |
| 03:49.06 | Tem | they were shadows on the ground with floating fire for quite a while |
| 03:49.06 | norgs | So if i want to make it wow1 and 2 compatible i do a myFunction(self, ev) if (not self) then ev = event end |
| 03:49.27 | Tem | yeah, that'd work |
| 03:50.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Tem, have a moment to help me out with this stuff? |
| 03:50.18 | Tem | I've got just under 10 minutes before I leave work |
| 03:50.23 | Tem | so shoot |
| 03:50.51 | ScytheBlade1 | http://rafb.net/paste/results/c99jkr24.html <-- isn't showing anything on the screen |
| 03:50.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Erm, sec |
| 03:51.14 | Shadowed | so |
| 03:51.19 | Shadowed | instance server crashing = gg |
| 03:51.25 | ScytheBlade1 | http://rafb.net/paste/results/zY934x77.html <-- including the parent frame would help |
| 03:51.34 | Tem | SecureActionButtonTemplate |
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| 03:52.00 | Tem | at the very least, your textures need anchors |
| 03:52.07 | ScytheBlade1 | ... ah, kl |
| 03:52.09 | ScytheBlade1 | s/l/l |
| 03:52.12 | ScytheBlade1 | .. meh |
| 03:52.13 | ScytheBlade1 | -l |
| 03:52.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh okay |
| 03:52.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Is that relative to texture's parent? |
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| 03:53.49 | Tem | if you don't specify a relTo, yes. it's relative to the texture's parent |
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| 03:54.10 | Tem | "CENTER",0,0 is probably what you want |
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| 03:54.25 | ScytheBlade1 | 0,0 = AbsDimensions? |
| 03:54.36 | Tem | oh, sorry that was in the SetPoint API style |
| 03:54.41 | Shadowed | yay |
| 03:54.45 | Shadowed | we fell through the world |
| 03:54.46 | norgs | so tem, in wow2, are the event functions called like OnEvent(self, event, arg1, arg2, ...) |
| 03:54.55 | Tem | norgs, yep |
| 03:55.08 | Tem | <Anchors><Anchor point="CENTER"/></Anchors> |
| 03:55.14 | Tem | ScytheBlade1, ^ |
| 03:55.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Gotcha |
| 03:55.29 | norgs | that makes it almost impossible then to write a wow1 and wow2 compatible version... |
| 03:55.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Still showing nothing.. :/ |
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| 03:55.51 | Tem | ScytheBlade1, it may also need a size |
| 03:56.05 | Tem | I'm a little fuzzy on how it works for textures and fontstrings |
| 03:56.06 | eternally777 | FrameName[key] |
| 03:56.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Tem, http://rafb.net/paste/results/nLdhbK68.html |
| 03:56.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Still nothing |
| 03:57.13 | Tem | try this |
| 03:57.26 | Tem | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:57.36 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't have DevTools, this is on beta |
| 03:57.39 | Tem | (assuming you have Iriel's devtools addon |
| 03:57.46 | Tem | then you need to download it |
| 03:57.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Thought Iriel didn't have a beta version released |
| 03:58.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Sec as I find/download/install |
| 03:58.14 | clad|sleep | Night all |
| 03:58.25 | Cairenn | he does but he hasn't released it for public consumption yet |
| 03:58.28 | Cairenn | night clad|sleep |
| 03:58.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Tem, I'm not seeing it on WoWI.. |
| 03:58.44 | Tem | hrm |
| 03:58.53 | Cairenn | he does but he hasn't released it for public consumption yet |
| 03:58.58 | ScytheBlade1 | There we go. |
| 03:59.02 | ScytheBlade1 | That'd be why. |
| 03:59.33 | Tem | I wonder how pissed he would be with me if I emailed it to you |
| 03:59.44 | ScytheBlade1 | What does GetRect() return? Anything that I could AddMessage()? |
| 03:59.55 | ScytheBlade1 | I won't spread it, but I wouldn't want you to piss him off either :P |
| 04:00.04 | Tem | it will either return 4 values or nil |
| 04:00.14 | Tem | I suspect that in your case it's going to return nil |
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| 04:00.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Nope, it's returning values |
| 04:00.55 | Tem | ok |
| 04:01.01 | Tem | is it visible? |
| 04:01.13 | Tem | Flex2B1:IsVisible() |
| 04:01.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Sure is |
| 04:02.17 | ScytheBlade1 | I take it that the third and fourth variables are the y coords? |
| 04:02.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Because they're == to each other. |
| 04:02.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Which would be my problem, heh |
| 04:03.09 | Tem | the values are top,bottom,left,right iirc |
| 04:03.18 | Tem | and if they're equal then you've got a very tiny frame |
| 04:03.34 | ScytheBlade1 | They're dead equal. |
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| 04:05.37 | Mike-N-Go | Hi |
| 04:05.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Tem, ideas? :) |
| 04:05.47 | Tem | ScytheBlade1, SecureActionButtonTemplate |
| 04:06.34 | ScytheBlade1 | What about it? |
| 04:07.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Again, very new to the FrameXML part of this. |
| 04:07.10 | Tem | your paste has the wrong template name |
| 04:07.22 | Tem | that shouldn't be your problem, but it's *a* problem |
| 04:07.33 | ScytheBlade1 | http://rafb.net/paste/results/FuzhLF87.html |
| 04:08.01 | ScytheBlade1 | .. oh |
| 04:08.04 | ScytheBlade1 | ButtonTemplate :P |
| 04:08.26 | Tem | oh, there's your problem |
| 04:08.28 | Tem | Flex2 is hidden |
| 04:08.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Changed, and still nothing |
| 04:08.57 | ScytheBlade1 | var3 == var4 on GetRect() still |
| 04:09.21 | Tem | also, flex2 can't be virtual |
| 04:09.54 | Tem | (the default for virtual and hidden is false, so you can leave them off) |
| 04:09.59 | ScytheBlade1 | NOW GetRect() is returning nil |
| 04:10.20 | norgs | i don't suppose anyone knows if there's an event that gets fired when you start fishing? |
| 04:11.04 | Tem | norgs, there most likely isn't |
| 04:11.25 | Tem | however, you can figure it out by watching for a spellcast of the fishing spell |
| 04:11.50 | norgs | i just get an unexplained "SPELLCAST_STOP" |
| 04:12.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Tem, anything obvious that I'm missing at this point? |
| 04:13.31 | Tem | ScytheBlade1, show me your latest code |
| 04:13.47 | Tem | (also, you might find wowi.pastey.org more friendly to this type of disccusion) |
| 04:14.01 | Garoun|Loupana | man, you can basically sleep playing a hunter and still level |
| 04:14.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Uh, that the right domain? |
| 04:14.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Getting DNS issues on that |
| 04:14.31 | Tem | http://wowi.pastey.net |
| 04:14.32 | Tem | sorry |
| 04:15.11 | ScytheBlade1 | http://wowi.pastey.net/2229 |
| 04:15.13 | ScytheBlade1 | np |
| 04:17.45 | ScytheBlade1 | GetRect() is returning nil for me now, yeah |
| 04:17.51 | Kirkburn | Anyone know where "Cursed Talisman"s come from? |
| 04:18.41 | Tem | ScytheBlade1, what does GetWidth and GetHeight return? |
| 04:19.14 | ScytheBlade1 | 32 and 32 |
| 04:19.22 | ScytheBlade1 | (scaled, I'm on widescreen) |
| 04:19.56 | ScytheBlade1 | And it IsVisible() |
| 04:20.05 | Tem | ok |
| 04:20.09 | Tem | try GetPoint(1) |
| 04:20.20 | ScytheBlade1 | What will that return? |
| 04:20.45 | Tem | 5 or 6 values |
| 04:21.28 | Tem | (probably "CENTER",Flex2,"CENTER",32,32 |
| 04:21.29 | Tem | ) |
| 04:22.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Well b is a table, so I'd assume that it's returning Flex2, yes |
| 04:22.09 | ScytheBlade1 | But correct on all accounts |
| 04:22.34 | Tem | ok, find out what Flex2:GetRect is then |
| 04:22.41 | ScytheBlade1 | nil |
| 04:22.46 | ScytheBlade1 | .. oh |
| 04:22.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Flex2, kk |
| 04:22.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Also nil! |
| 04:23.26 | Tem | so then your problem is that Flex2 doesn't have a location |
| 04:23.34 | ScytheBlade1 | mmkay |
| 04:23.39 | Tem | no no |
| 04:23.43 | Tem | it just needs a size |
| 04:24.06 | Tem | (1x1 is a valid size if you're just using it as an anchor) |
| 04:24.41 | *** topic/#wowi-lounge by Cairenn -> 2.0 UI Changes http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=6447 | http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#7 | Paste Code Here: http://wowi.pastey.net/ | Mod Author guilds on Hellfire (US) and on Tempest Keep (EU). CastSpell (A)/TargetUnit(H) |
| 04:24.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, now both Flex2 and B1 are returning values for GetRect() |
| 04:24.49 | ScytheBlade1 | But not visible |
| 04:25.34 | Tem | ok, I gotta go |
| 04:25.38 | Tem | I'll be back in 20ish |
| 04:25.42 | Cairenn | later Tem |
| 04:25.47 | ScytheBlade1 | ty for your help |
| 04:27.40 | Garoun|Loupana | can't believ eI thought my warlock was easy to level |
| 04:29.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Anyone else have any ideas on my little problem here? |
| 04:30.49 | Garoun|Loupana | I'm still new on frames and such |
| 04:30.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Me too |
| 04:30.49 | *** join/#wowi-lounge warla (n=chris@146-164.1-85.cust.bluewin.ch) |
| 04:30.50 | warla | heya |
| 04:30.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Hence the dire screams for assistance |
| 04:30.50 | warla | :-) |
| 04:31.21 | warla | Cairenn are you around? :-) |
| 04:31.25 | Cairenn | I am |
| 04:31.37 | Garoun|Loupana | don't ask about keys ;) |
| 04:31.44 | Tuller | aww |
| 04:31.53 | Garoun|Loupana | lol |
| 04:32.04 | warla | my mod works 70% :-) its almost ported for BC |
| 04:32.09 | Cairenn | nice |
| 04:32.15 | warla | i have just 1 more problem |
| 04:32.21 | warla | did the itemlinks change? |
| 04:32.34 | Cairenn | yes |
| 04:32.42 | Shadowed | they added a new ID at the end of the current ones i think |
| 04:32.47 | warla | that explains why my function that scans the IDs doesnt work |
| 04:32.47 | Garoun|Loupana | and I'm only kidding, you can ask as much as you want :) but not my fault if Cair throws you in the frying pan :) |
| 04:32.48 | Inside | zomg |
| 04:32.54 | Inside | we have a 50 year old woman in oru guild |
| 04:32.55 | Inside | >_o |
| 04:33.02 | Thunder_Child | get it on |
| 04:33.02 | Cairenn | Inside: so? |
| 04:33.08 | Inside | It's cool? |
| 04:33.08 | Inside | >_> |
| 04:33.46 | Cairenn | my parents both play ... they're 59 & 60 |
| 04:34.01 | Shadowed | Think someone instead of item's looking like item:aaaa:bbbb:cccc:dddd:eeee it looks like item:aaaa:bbbb:cccc:dddd:eeee:ffff |
| 04:34.07 | warla | http://wowi.pastey.net/2231-wckk <-- gives me all wrong ids :-( |
| 04:34.48 | Shadowed | If you're on TBC and have devtools installed, just do a /dump "*itemlink*" |
| 04:36.33 | warla | so they just added another number after the itemlink? |
| 04:36.39 | *** join/#wowi-lounge [Liquidor] (n=chatzill@port227.ds1-sg.adsl.cybercity.dk) |
| 04:36.42 | Werik`Curse | :) |
| 04:36.45 | [Liquidor] | woah |
| 04:36.47 | [Liquidor] | \o/ |
| 04:37.04 | Shadowed | not 100% sure, but that's what I heard warla |
| 04:37.12 | [Liquidor] | <irc://irc.freenode.net/wowi-lounge> will now open at startup. - took some time to find this channel |
| 04:37.26 | Cairenn | [Liquidor]: welcome :) |
| 04:37.49 | [Liquidor] | You're in Wowace, no news about you *shoo* |
| 04:37.50 | Werik`Curse | He forgot the channel name |
| 04:38.26 | [Liquidor] | Nah I've always thought I spelled it wrong or smth. Just missed the +i of wow |
| 04:38.45 | Thunder_Child | ... |
| 04:38.53 | Cairenn | [Liquidor]: yeah, but I don't run the ace channel, I do run this one, so only appropriate for me to say hi over here :) |
| 04:38.56 | [Liquidor] | Stupid maintaince, can't work on my project now for like what.... 6 hours? -.- |
| 04:39.20 | Werik`Curse | Optimist |
| 04:39.43 | Werik`Curse | ah well, back to work, good night,and hi Cairenn:P |
| 04:39.50 | Thunder_Child | night Werik`Curse |
| 04:39.54 | Cairenn | night Werik`Curse |
| 04:39.57 | [Liquidor] | you sleep at work or what was that about? |
| 04:40.32 | ScytheBlade1 | If I don't specify a parent, will it default to UIParent? |
| 04:40.36 | Werik`Curse | Noo, you will sleep -i guess-. Whatever |
| 04:40.38 | [Liquidor] | Does ppl in this channel develope or chat for fun? |
| 04:40.55 | MentalPower | warla: http://wowi.pastey.net/2232 |
| 04:40.58 | Thunder_Child | both |
| 04:40.59 | zespri_work | both |
| 04:40.59 | Shadowed | we mostly rant about idiots |
| 04:41.04 | malreth | ScytheBlade1: depends |
| 04:41.21 | ScytheBlade1 | malreth, I'm just having a fun time learning FrameXML. :) |
| 04:41.23 | [Liquidor] | ScytheBlade1: parent(nil) will make it go above uiparent (shown upon hiding UIParent) |
| 04:41.39 | ScytheBlade1 | That could be part of my problem |
| 04:41.41 | malreth | if it's a subframe of a frame, the parent will be the outer frame |
| 04:41.42 | Cairenn | btw, to my knowledge, the current itemlink format is: item:<itemID>:<enchant>:<gem1>:<gem2>:<gem3>:<socketBonus>:<randomProperty>:<uniqueID> |
| 04:41.48 | ScytheBlade1 | If I want visibility by default? |
| 04:41.54 | malreth | otherwise, if it's not a subframe, the parent will be WorldFrame |
| 04:42.19 | [Liquidor] | MinimapCluster:SetParent(nil) - Good for movies |
| 04:42.20 | MentalPower | Cairenn: correct |
| 04:42.56 | ScytheBlade1 | heh, awesome. I just hid the WorldFrame. |
| 04:43.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Wow, that broke things |
| 04:43.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Note to self: don't do that |
| 04:43.35 | Thunder_Child | lol, your new mod: hide-n-go seek |
| 04:43.50 | [Liquidor] | If you need the name it's string.gsub((link,"^.-%[(.*)%].*", "%1") |
| 04:43.53 | thezanke | its trying to tlel my my OnLoad is calling OnLoad a nill value... |
| 04:44.01 | [Liquidor] | or the itemid string.gsub(link,".-\124H([^\124]*)\124h.*", "%1") |
| 04:44.14 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Guest47627 (n=theopath@124.161.244.252) |
| 04:44.29 | Cairenn | hello Guest47627 |
| 04:44.53 | [Liquidor] | Guest? Is there some kind of a Java around the web connecting to this channel as well? |
| 04:44.55 | *** join/#wowi-lounge cogwheel (n=chatzill@c-67-188-231-45.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 04:45.31 | Garoun|Loupana | eve cog |
| 04:45.37 | MentalPower | theres quite a few Java apps that connect to the channel of your choice |
| 04:45.47 | MentalPower | the one that cosmos has is one of them |
| 04:45.48 | [Liquidor] | ScytheBlade1: try clearallpoints on the minimapcluster :) |
| 04:46.01 | [Liquidor] | And you'll get a disco-screen flickering diff. colors |
| 04:46.09 | kaiden | Anyone know what addon makes it so you can alt + click items in your inventory to add them to trade windows |
| 04:46.24 | ScytheBlade1 | [Liquidor], I'm not messing with the minimapcluster ;) |
| 04:46.26 | cogwheel | 'ello |
| 04:46.26 | Shadowed | I though that was default behavor? |
| 04:46.39 | kaiden | Shadowed, well apparently not as it's not working right now :) |
| 04:46.44 | [Liquidor] | It isn't. Pppl keep saying that |
| 04:46.45 | kaiden | so i'm assuming i dont have the addon |
| 04:46.47 | [Liquidor] | Ppl* |
| 04:46.51 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm trying to get a new frame to show up, but, well, it isn't |
| 04:47.25 | Shadowed | kaiden: The only thing I can think of that would do it for me, is CTMods |
| 04:47.27 | Shadowed | so may want to check there |
| 04:47.43 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Guest47627 (n=theopath@124.161.244.252) |
| 04:47.51 | Garoun|Loupana | ct does it iirc like shadowed said |
| 04:47.59 | Cairenn | bye Guest47627 |
| 04:48.06 | [Liquidor] | Well ctmod gives alt+click for mailing at least |
| 04:48.11 | Shadowed | he can't see you said bye just so you know cair :p |
| 04:48.12 | [Liquidor] | dunno about trading |
| 04:48.31 | Garoun|Loupana | figure 90% of my mods are Ace'd should idle in wow ace as well :P |
| 04:48.37 | kaiden | i'm gonna have to talk to the creator of minimalist to get him to add that and auto looting of mail via alt click |
| 04:48.38 | kaiden | :) |
| 04:49.14 | [Liquidor] | Although there isn't much going on in Wowace compared to here it seems (as of now) Garoun|Loupana |
| 04:49.41 | Garoun|Loupana | well things are busy here for discussing some code and stuff :) |
| 04:49.44 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Tem (n=tardmrr@ip68-227-128-41.br.br.cox.net) |
| 04:50.14 | Garoun|Loupana | I talked to the voodoo guy in Sin'jin a few too many times |
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| 04:50.35 | Garoun|Loupana | level 10 mobs are currently conning 3 |
| 04:50.37 | Thunder_Child | yea, code anf 50 yo women |
| 04:50.44 | Thunder_Child | s/anf/and/ |
| 04:50.51 | kaiden | man .. prep'ing for tbc is the pits |
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| 04:51.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Tem: would Flex2's lack of a parent be the problem? |
| 04:51.26 | kaiden | i have finished my First Aid bank so it's ready to go to get me to 300 FA on my new shammy, and my jewelcrafting bank is now done with copper / bronze / thorium and mithrill |
| 04:51.29 | kaiden | erm -l |
| 04:51.34 | kaiden | now i have to work on iron :( |
| 04:53.48 | zespri_opera | who uses opera irc? |
| 04:53.55 | Garoun|Loupana | you are actually farming every single item you need to max tradeskills kaiden? |
| 04:54.01 | [Liquidor] | ./4 <SPAM> is now spamming. We need all spammers and you must be at top-noch spam level. We do spam, spAM and soon doing SPAM. If you need more spam or want a spam then /spam me for more spam. Visit www.spam.more we got Spamtrilo and a spamorum. Spam you! |
| 04:54.30 | Garoun|Loupana | hey, this is a no spam zone :P |
| 04:54.31 | Tem | ScytheBlade1, It shouldn't be |
| 04:54.39 | Tem | ScytheBlade1, but try putting UIParent as the parent |
| 04:54.49 | [Liquidor] | just sharing my macro :) |
| 04:54.54 | Tem | (I don't have all that much experience with XML myself... I'm much more used to lua frames) |
| 04:55.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Tem, I did. I've been comparing what I have to other stuff, and that's about it.. |
| 04:55.03 | kaiden | you know you are a packrat when you clean out your accounts and find over 20 16 slot bags (not including your used 16 slotters on chars) and over 100 14 slot bags |
| 04:55.04 | kaiden | :P |
| 04:55.21 | MentalPower | [Liquidor]: you should add TeamSpam to that macro |
| 04:55.34 | [Liquidor] | :) same goes for me with ench. materials kaiden |
| 04:55.43 | kaiden | oh that's just backpacks.. |
| 04:55.45 | [Liquidor] | oh yeah thanks MentalPower |
| 04:55.49 | kaiden | i've got over 300 large brilliant shards |
| 04:56.07 | [Liquidor] | nah i don't i like gold |
| 04:56.22 | kaiden | i've got enough alchemy mats to level probably 4 or 5 alchemists to 300 skill |
| 04:56.24 | Thunder_Child | maybe Spamadar? |
| 04:56.29 | MentalPower | kaiden: you do know you're sitting on a gold mine right? |
| 04:56.36 | kaiden | i know :( i just can't sell it |
| 04:56.42 | kaiden | i'm horribly impatient with selling stuff |
| 04:56.52 | kaiden | i've got 5 full banks of bind on equip blues and purples |
| 04:56.57 | kaiden | that i've gotten over the past 2 years of playing |
| 04:57.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Tem, I can tell that it's not offscreen (x and y are both less than GetScreenWidth() and Height() |
| 04:57.18 | ScytheBlade1 | IsVisible() == true.. |
| 04:57.35 | ScytheBlade1 | GetRect() returning values |
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| 04:57.45 | grimman | omghai! |
| 04:58.32 | Cairenn | hi grimman |
| 04:59.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Is anyone else here FrameXML fluent? :( |
| 04:59.14 | grimman | ^-^ got my beta key today. <3 Cairenn. |
| 04:59.25 | Shadowed | run grimman! |
| 04:59.28 | MentalPower | US or EU? |
| 04:59.29 | Cairenn | us or eu, grimman? |
| 04:59.30 | grimman | EU |
| 04:59.44 | Shadowed | obviously this proves blizzard favors EU! |
| 04:59.50 | Cairenn | cool, good to hear |
| 04:59.57 | Garoun|Loupana | yeah :P |
| 05:00.02 | grimman | 12 hours ago actually. |
| 05:00.18 | grimman | And my primary addon is borked. ;( |
| 05:00.26 | Garoun|Loupana | discord? |
| 05:00.26 | Thunder_Child | Shadowed you lie! |
| 05:00.27 | Cairenn | well, just remember to upload your mod to the beta section when you've got it ready to be tested |
| 05:00.47 | grimman | Of course, of course... |
| 05:00.59 | grimman | Where can I find info on the template thingies? |
| 05:01.36 | Cairenn | the US UI forum, if it were up |
| 05:01.43 | grimman | Which it isn't. ;( |
| 05:02.04 | Thunder_Child | better the forums than the game |
| 05:02.14 | Shadowed | the US forums wont be up |
| 05:02.21 | Cairenn | and Iriel has a couple example mods in the beta section: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5508-State_Header_Stance_Example%28s%29.html and http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5492-State_Header_Action_Tests.html |
| 05:02.22 | kaiden | anyone know if savage fronds, dark iron scraps, core of elements etc are worth much |
| 05:02.26 | Shadowed | people are to busy spamming it with "THANKS FOR SCREWING UP BLIZZARD" |
| 05:02.29 | kaiden | looking and i've got like 1000-2000 of each |
| 05:02.30 | Garoun|Loupana | hmm, time to ask for name suggestions on my scorpid pet |
| 05:02.41 | Shadowed | scorpy |
| 05:02.51 | Thunder_Child | whats your charicters name? |
| 05:02.57 | Garoun|Loupana | Amipreti |
| 05:03.01 | kaiden | lol |
| 05:03.05 | kaiden | no you aren't pretty |
| 05:03.06 | kaiden | :) |
| 05:03.10 | Garoun|Loupana | chose the most detestable orc I could pick |
| 05:03.14 | Thunder_Child | prettypet |
| 05:03.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Tem, not to single you out, but any other ideas? ;) |
| 05:03.22 | Garoun|Loupana | I was thining PointyStick |
| 05:03.24 | kaiden | name your pet Hotornawt |
| 05:03.36 | Garoun|Loupana | that one is actually kinda good Kaiden |
| 05:03.37 | grimman | Cairenn: ty. |
| 05:03.37 | Tem | ScytheBlade1, show me your latest code |
| 05:04.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Tem, http://wowi.pastey.net/2235 |
| 05:04.20 | grimman|PivaeEUP | ... nick cut off, cute. Should have been EUPVP. ;( |
| 05:04.45 | Tem | grimman|PivaeEUP, go to the PVE server |
| 05:04.55 | Shadowed | PVP carebears |
| 05:05.06 | grimman|PivaePVP | There are like 4 PVE servers and ONE PVP... ;P |
| 05:05.51 | grimman|PivaePVP | Ugh, nubs. ;( |
| 05:06.07 | grimman|PivaePVP | PVP ftw. |
| 05:06.24 | Shadowed | PVP Skill ~= being able to spend 3 times as long leveling, while a bored 60 corpse camps you :p |
| 05:06.44 | grimman|PivaePVP | I leveled a PVP rogue two months ago... |
| 05:06.50 | grimman|PivaePVP | Only got ganked once in Felwood. |
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| 05:07.06 | grimman|PivaePVP | Twisting Nether. :P |
| 05:07.13 | kaiden | i transferred about 10 of my chracters to a pvp server from a pve server way back in the day and i've never played them since |
| 05:07.14 | Shadowed | Last few times I attempted to level a char it was pretty heavly camped |
| 05:07.26 | kaiden | just really didn't like pvp servers at all would rather choose when i wanted to pvp |
| 05:07.39 | thezanke | kaso |
| 05:07.53 | grimman|PivaePVP | Shadowed: I guess you went to places people like to spend time in. ;D |
| 05:07.59 | Kaso | yes |
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| 05:08.07 | Shadowed | but yeah |
| 05:08.16 | Shadowed | it's silly when people claim that pvp server = instant skill :p |
| 05:08.29 | grimman|PivaePVP | It requires some more skill. |
| 05:08.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Tem: Any thoughts? |
| 05:08.45 | Shadowed | not really |
| 05:08.47 | grimman|PivaePVP | But generally people are as noobie on PVP servers as they are on PVE. |
| 05:09.00 | grimman|PivaePVP | Slightly more whiney though, since they run the risk of getting ganked. |
| 05:09.18 | Garoun|Loupana | http://images.garoun.net/wow/sillyhunter.gif :) |
| 05:09.32 | Tem | oh dur |
| 05:09.38 | Tem | I feel like such a noob |
| 05:09.41 | ScytheBlade1 | ? |
| 05:09.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Not compared to me :P |
| 05:09.46 | Tem | ScytheBlade1, the texture has to be in a layer |
| 05:09.49 | grimman|PivaePVP | Tem... I recognize that name. |
| 05:10.27 | grimman|PivaePVP | Anyway, I can't copy a char to the PVE test realm because of the downtime. |
| 05:10.29 | grimman|PivaePVP | Yay. |
| 05:10.36 | Tem | grimman|PivaePVP, ? |
| 05:10.44 | grimman|PivaePVP | Tem, ! |
| 05:10.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Tem, know of any good files to reference for examples? |
| 05:11.02 | grimman|PivaePVP | The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance downtime or capacity problems. Please try again later. |
| 05:11.03 | Tem | you need something or just enjoying saying my name |
| 05:11.20 | kaiden | grimman|PivaePVP, oh is that why it's been over a day since i copied my char and it still hasn't shown up |
| 05:11.21 | kaiden | lol |
| 05:11.29 | kaiden | mine said it finished the copy just fine |
| 05:11.32 | grimman|PivaePVP | Bad luck. |
| 05:11.34 | kaiden | and even says i only have 1 copy left :( |
| 05:11.43 | Kirkburn | No, it just hates you =) |
| 05:11.48 | kaiden | said it would be done in 6 hours and that was 2 days ago |
| 05:11.53 | kaiden | Kirkburn, no only you hate me :cries: |
| 05:11.56 | grimman|PivaePVP | I logged on, saw my key had arrived, went to the beta page "estimated 1h transfer time", did that and logged on. |
| 05:12.08 | Kirkburn | Too true, too true :P |
| 05:12.09 | grimman|PivaePVP | 15 minutes later when I was patched and ready my char was copied. |
| 05:12.26 | grimman|PivaePVP | /wave Kirkburn |
| 05:12.28 | Shadowed | well, I keep getting "Petco gift cards" I wonder if i can use that as a key |
| 05:12.58 | Kirkburn | Lo grimman|PivaePVP |
| 05:13.18 | Tem | ScytheBlade1, http://wowi.pastey.net/2236\ |
| 05:13.43 | Kirkburn | I've already replaced 4 of my items in Outland, and only 1/3 thru 60 |
| 05:13.46 | grimman|PivaePVP | Did you guys get "Your name has been found to be in violation of naming rules" when you copied your chars as well? |
| 05:13.54 | Kirkburn | Yup |
| 05:14.00 | Cairenn | everyone does |
| 05:14.02 | kaiden | Anyone here know much about us politics? have the democrats ever held control of the house of representatives until they won the elections tonight? |
| 05:14.04 | Cairenn | you *have* to change it |
| 05:14.09 | grimman|PivaePVP | Kinda silly. |
| 05:14.19 | zespri_work | why? |
| 05:14.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Tem, awesome. It works. |
| 05:14.26 | kaiden | i dont follow politics much at all :P was just wondering |
| 05:14.33 | ScytheBlade1 | <3 |
| 05:14.49 | Tem | last I heard, the democrats were up 17 seats in the house |
| 05:14.57 | Tem | and 3 seats up in the senate |
| 05:15.12 | Kirkburn | "...the Republicans, who have controlled the House for the past 12 years. " |
| 05:15.20 | kaiden | ok :P guess they have |
| 05:15.21 | Tem | and they apparently only needed 15 seats to control the house |
| 05:15.32 | Tem | but need 6 to take the senate |
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| 05:17.21 | Thunder_Child | i signed up demo but found out i was really a repub at heart |
| 05:17.24 | Garoun|Loupana | my state doesn't know wtf they want to do over senate seat |
| 05:17.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Tem, works perfectly, thanks *much* |
| 05:17.59 | Tem | np |
| 05:18.28 | warla | sweet :-) |
| 05:18.39 | warla | http://darky28.dyndns.org/chris/wowprofiles/?id=1 |
| 05:18.43 | warla | most stuff works |
| 05:18.46 | warla | check this out |
| 05:19.06 | kaiden | know whats sad.. i've lived here my entire life and i know nothing about the differences in the different types .. i dont care to know |
| 05:19.25 | kaiden | i think our system is bunk just from what i see happening around me.. gives a bad taste in the mouth to want to know anything more |
| 05:19.56 | Thunder_Child | kaiden, just because you dont like it doesnt mean you shouldnt know about it |
| 05:20.19 | kaiden | yes it does :) i believe if you dont like something you shouldn't waste your time understanding it.. life's too short as it is hehe |
| 05:20.24 | Gello | if you don't like it, all the more reason to stay informed |
| 05:20.44 | MentalPower | WoW saves KeyBindings for LoD addons right? |
| 05:21.36 | Garoun|Loupana | that's a fine way to think Kaiden, except when that thing you don't like affects you in a big way |
| 05:21.42 | Garoun|Loupana | however indirectly it may be |
| 05:21.55 | kaiden | Garoun|Loupana, there are so many things that indirectly affect you every day |
| 05:22.17 | Garoun|Loupana | yep, and you should always try to know something about it, imo |
| 05:22.18 | kaiden | if you start wondering about them.. your just bound to depress yourself |
| 05:22.21 | jaxdahl | how come www.wowwiki.com/Durability doesn't have info on how much 1 point of durability costs to repair? |
| 05:22.43 | kaiden | because when you really dig in and see how horrible our system works.. and how many people pay for our way of life out there.. you wish you didn't know |
| 05:22.43 | jaxdahl | nor does http://www.wowwiki.com/Repair |
| 05:22.45 | kaiden | and wish you weren't here |
| 05:22.52 | kaiden | ignorance is bliss |
| 05:23.03 | Thunder_Child | Ignorance is silly |
| 05:23.09 | Thunder_Child | and dangerious |
| 05:23.11 | Garoun|Loupana | nah, just have to take it at face value and then not care :) |
| 05:24.10 | MentalPower | I'll ask again since I was ignored. WoW saves KeyBindings for LoD addons right? |
| 05:24.21 | Iriel | MentalPower: Yes |
| 05:24.25 | Garoun|Loupana | sorry MP :( I dunno, but I would assume so |
| 05:24.33 | MentalPower | thanks! |
| 05:24.55 | Iriel | But they're obviously not active until the addon is loaded |
| 05:25.07 | MentalPower | *nod*, thanks Iriel |
| 05:25.14 | Garoun|Loupana | I learned a lot by just scanning the wdn :) |
| 05:25.24 | Garoun|Loupana | any word on the Druid shifting stuff Iriel? |
| 05:25.43 | Garoun|Loupana | I'll gladly work with you on it after my key gets here, if you need my help with anything |
| 05:25.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Iriel, out of morbid curiosity, could I get a copy of your BC DevTools? :) |
| 05:26.36 | Iriel | ScytheBlade1: What's your email address? |
| 05:27.07 | zespri_work | are the devtools so secret that it's impossible to publish them on the web? |
| 05:27.08 | Iriel | Garoun|Loupana: I had a working example of reliable shift-into-form-X, was there something else I was looking into (It's been a crazy couple of weeks my memory is going) |
| 05:27.23 | Iriel | No, it's just faster for me to email them right now |
| 05:27.43 | Garoun|Loupana | oh that's no biggie, just asking :) |
| 05:28.05 | Garoun|Loupana | I'll need to take your example and see if I can update Druidbar to use it |
| 05:28.20 | Iriel | Garoun|Loupana: It's posted in the beta section on wowinterface I think |
| 05:28.31 | Iriel | zespri_work: I'll post it later if I get a chance 8-0 |
| 05:28.35 | Garoun|Loupana | k, I'll see what I can do with it |
| 05:28.49 | zespri_work | Iriel, cheers =) |
| 05:28.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Iriel, ty! |
| 05:29.20 | Iriel | ScytheBlade1: Just close the event watch window if you dont need it |
| 05:29.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Thanks! |
| 05:30.54 | Thunder_Child | i wonder if they are thing about another exspansion after tBC or the equivelent of WoW2 |
| 05:34.04 | grimman|PivaePVP | I think I read 1 expansion per year or something... but it might have been another game. :P |
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| 05:35.34 | grimman|PivaePVP | Ah, finally. |
| 05:35.46 | grimman|PivaePVP | Chat window detached from mIRC. ;D |
| 05:36.25 | kaiden | From rumors i've heard they are already working on the second expansion pack the one for Hero Classes |
| 05:36.56 | Cairenn | okay guys, here you go: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5415-DevTools-BC_Beta.html |
| 05:38.06 | Kaso | sweet |
| 05:42.34 | Guillotine | woohoo! |
| 05:42.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Tem, okay, next problem: the buttons I've made are not actually clickable. If I click on one, it pretends that is is isn't there. |
| 05:42.47 | Guillotine | though most things in the old one worked anyway if you just changed the toc |
| 05:42.51 | Tem | RegisterForClicks |
| 05:42.59 | Tem | EnableMouse |
| 05:43.10 | Guillotine | g2g all, gn :) |
| 05:44.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Odd feeling that I need to inherit more templates. :) |
| 05:44.20 | Iriel | I find if I add "-- Tem didn't help me with this code, nor have I discussed it with him" my code just seems to work better. |
| 05:44.45 | Iriel | Superstitious voodoo against the "Tem Effect" |
| 05:44.57 | Tem | Don't you know, Iriel |
| 05:45.05 | Tem | The Tem Effect makes code appear to work |
| 05:45.15 | Tem | until you find "the prize" |
| 05:45.53 | Tem | ScytheBlade1, EnableMouse and RegisterforClicks |
| 05:45.58 | jaxdahl | hmm |
| 05:46.05 | jaxdahl | you know the new random cast and random use macros? |
| 05:46.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Tem, gotcha. Reading up on the actual Button bit of FrameXML now |
| 05:46.36 | kaiden | I want to see someone make a shaman totem bar out of the new code iriel described from the SecureTemplates or whatever it was |
| 05:46.39 | jaxdahl | is there a way to have it work with paladin mounts and regular mounts? so you can random between a summoned mount and a mount from an item? |
| 05:46.43 | kaiden | the one that allows you to hold hotkeys to make buttons appear |
| 05:46.45 | kaiden | and disappear |
| 05:47.01 | kaiden | Iriel, you described it as being able to hit 1 and then hit 1 again to cast spell #1 on the 1st bar right? |
| 05:47.06 | Tem | (or you can be lazy and inherit from the template that's the visual only version of the action buttons) |
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| 05:47.43 | Tem | jaxdahl, you can only mount out of combat |
| 05:47.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Tem, what would really reduce questions here and increase understanding would be an example of pretty much every FrameXML object out there, with usage ;) |
| 05:47.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Don't know of such a thing, do you? ;) |
| 05:47.53 | jaxdahl | tem, your point is? |
| 05:47.55 | Iriel | kaiden: if all you want is a stomper style cycle then you only need one secure action button and one state header |
| 05:48.06 | Tem | jaxdahl, so you need an addon to do it, but you can |
| 05:48.12 | Iriel | kaiden: Or do you want a popup totem menu? |
| 05:48.14 | jaxdahl | hm. |
| 05:48.19 | Tem | and it's not worth the complexity to write it into the macro system |
| 05:48.33 | jaxdahl | other than mounts, what would be pratical uses for the randomcast/use macros? |
| 05:48.44 | Iriel | Sheeping |
| 05:48.46 | kaiden | Iriel, i think a popup totem menu or type would be cool, ie we have 4 totem types, we can hit like F1 through F4 or something like that to pop up that totem types bar |
| 05:48.52 | Iriel | Bipolar mages |
| 05:48.54 | kaiden | and then hit 1 or whatever to stamp that totem down |
| 05:49.11 | Iriel | kaiden: That should be pretty easy to make using my popup action bar code as a template then |
| 05:50.20 | Tem | ScytheBlade1, start reading addons then |
| 05:50.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Tem, fair enough. Just hoping that someone out there had coded such an example. |
| 05:50.41 | kaiden | ScytheBlade1, and you thought you'd be able to write it in 1 afternoon ;) |
| 05:50.42 | kaiden | Rhehe |
| 05:50.54 | ScytheBlade1 | kaiden, not at all. I'm sure some people *could* |
| 05:50.57 | thezanke | this makes my head hurt |
| 05:51.01 | ScytheBlade1 | But I know about zero about FrameXML |
| 05:51.02 | Tem | kaiden, I honestly think I could |
| 05:51.03 | kaiden | yeah.. crazy people... like Iriel :) |
| 05:51.05 | Tem | but not with XML |
| 05:51.07 | kaiden | and Tem |
| 05:52.40 | Tem | (and it wouldn't have a gui) |
| 05:52.54 | Tem | probably not even slash commands |
| 05:53.14 | kaiden | manual == the suck |
| 05:53.27 | Garoun|Loupana | when in doubt RTFM |
| 05:53.29 | kaiden | everything should have at least a ace style drop down configuration hehe |
| 05:53.54 | kaiden | Kirkburn, which reminds me.. you need to hurry up and put that gui configuration for Clearfont in.... |
| 05:54.05 | Garoun|Loupana | I actually prefer gui style, but dewdrop is better then console |
| 05:54.35 | Shadowed | Server restart: 15:00 |
| 05:54.36 | Shadowed | good times |
| 05:55.14 | Tem | much <3 for beta |
| 05:56.07 | Thunder_Child | tem start a wow crashing contest useing vids to see who can crash wow the most useing different ways |
| 05:56.31 | Thunder_Child | if you can follow that twisting sentence |
| 05:56.35 | Tem | I don't crash wow by trying |
| 05:57.03 | Iriel | Stack overflows would have to explicitly disqualified on the grounds they're too easy |
| 05:57.29 | Tem | but that doesn't count as a crash |
| 05:57.29 | Thunder_Child | so would pulling the plug on the cump |
| 05:57.41 | Thunder_Child | comp* |
| 05:57.43 | Kirkburn | How would you record that? :P |
| 05:57.46 | Tem | it eventually bails out and tells you it was a stack overflow |
| 05:57.56 | Tem | Kirkburn, vnc? |
| 05:59.25 | kaiden | so i hear alot of chat on the beta forums about being able to keep your beta characters |
| 05:59.31 | kaiden | apparently the koreans were allowed to keep theirs |
| 05:59.45 | Thunder_Child | i doubt it as well |
| 05:59.50 | Shadowed | Did the beta have accelerated leveling? |
| 05:59.58 | Iriel | Dont confuse the original open beta headstart (when nobody had wow characters) with this beta |
| 05:59.58 | Shadowed | WoW beta not TBC beta that is |
| 06:00.01 | kaiden | they say it did but i dont see it |
| 06:00.24 | Iriel | IIRC the korean 'beta' was just a capacity/infrastructure test |
| 06:00.37 | Shadowed | It'd certainly be nice to keep the beta characters, but theres no way they would allow it :p |
| 06:00.51 | kaiden | I think if they wiped all gear excepted what was soulbound or equipped already |
| 06:00.54 | kaiden | and removed all gold |
| 06:01.06 | Shadowed | But you still gained the level using an accelerated system |
| 06:01.16 | kaiden | beta xp isn't faster |
| 06:01.20 | Saeris | Somewhat off-topic, but does anyone know of a replacement for the MenuEditor extension from Firefox 1.0-1.5 which provides the same functionality in Firefox 2.0? |
| 06:01.27 | Shadowed | Didn't they say that the amount of XP you get per akill and such is raised in beta? |
| 06:01.28 | kaiden | at least the shaman i've been leveling on my roommates account has gone at normal speed |
| 06:01.55 | grimman|PivaePVP | Saeris: Have you tried using the 1.5 version in 2.0? |
| 06:02.20 | Garoun|Loupana | yes |
| 06:02.28 | Garoun|Loupana | it was posted on the forum today I believe |
| 06:02.34 | kaiden | I just think it would be nice of blizzard to throw a bone to those that worked hard to test for them |
| 06:02.49 | Iriel | Being ON the beta server is a bone |
| 06:02.52 | Garoun|Loupana | then again that extra xp is probably only 60-70, not sub 60 |
| 06:02.58 | kaiden | i think baachi and those 67 pallies that have worked their butts off deserve a bit of thanks |
| 06:03.00 | Iriel | There's 5 million players, many of whom would be more than happy to test for them |
| 06:03.18 | Garoun|Loupana | yep, my g/f being one of them |
| 06:03.27 | Garoun|Loupana | she was actually a Team Lead for Mythic :x |
| 06:03.39 | kaiden | i only get to play on my roomies account when he isn't on :/ |
| 06:03.41 | kaiden | so i know the feeling |
| 06:03.50 | grimman|PivaePVP | Are there any BC compatible bar mods available? ;P |
| 06:03.53 | Shadowed | People should understand anyway that the work you do in beta wont mean anything when it goes live. |
| 06:04.03 | Shadowed | (Except for the people who do something major, like get Slam nerfed!) |
| 06:04.03 | kaiden | grimman|PivaePVP, bartender2 has a tbc version out |
| 06:04.09 | Saeris | grimman: Yes, and it sort of works, but it has some annoying bugs. Unremovable context menu entries from other extensions, for one. |
| 06:04.14 | Iriel | Beyond the 'learning and experience' you gain on what to do once it launches |
| 06:04.15 | Cairenn | grimman|PivaePVP: yes, there are, check the download cat at wowi |
| 06:04.29 | Iriel | Blizzard have always been good about recognizing people who make significant contributions in one beta |
| 06:04.38 | Iriel | at least, they have been as long as i've been paying attention |
| 06:04.40 | grimman|PivaePVP | Cairenn: I did kinda quickly... checked for names I knew. ;) |
| 06:04.42 | grimman|PivaePVP | kaiden: Cheers. |
| 06:05.10 | kaiden | the one complaint i have is hit chance on a shammy is ridiculously low.. they miss more than rogues did after that first nerf |
| 06:05.17 | kaiden | on dual wield that is |
| 06:05.28 | kaiden | hoping that talent they get to increase hit chance helps a ton |
| 06:05.36 | Garoun|Loupana | it will |
| 06:05.42 | Garoun|Loupana | look at how it changed warriors |
| 06:06.03 | Cairenn | grimman|PivaePVP: check out Trinity Buttons: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5528-Trinity_Buttons.html |
| 06:06.39 | grimman|PivaePVP | o_o |
| 06:06.46 | grimman|PivaePVP | Those circles and stuff remind me of FlexBar. |
| 06:06.47 | kaiden | Does anyone know when the Feedback button is being added back to tbc? |
| 06:06.58 | Cairenn | don't think it is, kaiden |
| 06:07.04 | Shadowed | kaiden: to hit is easy on shamans |
| 06:07.14 | Garoun|Loupana | there's plenty of other methods to submit feedback |
| 06:07.41 | kaiden | Shadowed, you have a shammy on beta dual wielding? |
| 06:08.22 | Shadowed | kaiden: No, I have a warrior that wishes I got 6% hit from talents :p |
| 06:10.33 | kaiden | dunno, just feels like seeing miss miss dodge parry miss dodge parry miss hit miss miss hit miss hit hit hit hit dodge parry parry dodge |
| 06:10.37 | kaiden | get's just a tad bit old :P |
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| 06:10.55 | Shadowed | welcome to playing a DW warrior! |
| 06:11.33 | kaiden | i've got 3 60 warrior's 2 of which dw, 1 of which is in full tier 1 and i never have any problems with hit rate on either of the dw'ers |
| 06:11.49 | kaiden | maybe i'm just unlucky on the shaman and you are unlucky on the warrior :) |
| 06:11.55 | Shadowed | erm? have you tried playing with that warrior for a long time |
| 06:12.08 | Shadowed | I've played my warrior in a mix of t2/t3 and the miss rate is horrible in that gear for DW |
| 06:12.15 | kaiden | yes actually i frequently farm with him |
| 06:12.48 | Shadowed | still better rage generation then using a 2H, but the miss rate is pretty bad, worst when you have to put on resist stuff |
| 06:12.53 | grimman|PivaePVP | Btw, any of you know how Loz is doing on his addons? |
| 06:13.07 | kaiden | grimman|PivaePVP, check out his general forums he has betas of discord ui builder up |
| 06:13.10 | kaiden | well.. alphas of it |
| 06:13.23 | Cairenn | grimman|PivaePVP: doing fine last I spoke with him |
| 06:13.45 | grimman|PivaePVP | God damnit... I'm officially blind. I was poking around on his site and found nothing. |
| 06:13.46 | kaiden | Iriel, do you know if they plan on fixing the whole ability to choose what weapon gets what weapon enchant as a shaman. I know blizzard said it would pop up a menu and allow you to choose offhand / mainhand but it's not doing that for me |
| 06:14.29 | grimman|PivaePVP | Anyway, I'll head back and check his forums again. ;D Ty kaiden. |
| 06:14.44 | kaiden | let me get you a link |
| 06:14.47 | Iriel | I have no idea, and unfortunately shaman is a class I can't stand playing so I have only secondary knowledge of their suffering |
| 06:14.49 | grimman|PivaePVP | Cairenn: Think you can convince him to put the BC stuff on his beta page? ;D |
| 06:15.07 | Cairenn | I'm sure he will when he is ready to |
| 06:15.34 | kaiden | grimman|PivaePVP, http://www.discordmods.com/DUB.zip |
| 06:15.43 | kaiden | that's the alpha copy of DUB he's keeping updated with his changes |
| 06:15.46 | grimman|PivaePVP | kaiden: ty |
| 06:16.34 | Saeris | Has anyone from the first list of WoW-Interface authors whose names were sent to Blizzard received their beta key yet? |
| 06:16.52 | kaiden | Saeris, i signed up on November 1st and haven't received mine so i'm assuming not |
| 06:17.47 | grimman|PivaePVP | First and second batch afaik, Saeris. |
| 06:17.59 | Shadowed | Saeris: Last cair said it sounded like they sent them out to the last people who submitted, and to the EU people first |
| 06:18.15 | grimman|PivaePVP | << EU client with key. ;D |
| 06:18.22 | grimman|PivaePVP | I was in the second batch. |
| 06:23.03 | grimman|PivaePVP | Regular or beta realm? :P |
| 06:23.07 | Saeris | Hmmm. I haven't yet received mine, and I think I was in the first list. Peculiar. |
| 06:23.10 | kaiden | you know from the bit my roomie has let me play his beta account i have gotten to see rares i've never seen in live |
| 06:23.10 | Shadowed | regular |
| 06:23.13 | grimman|PivaePVP | My regular realm has extended maintenance for the fifth week in a row or so. |
| 06:23.17 | kaiden | it's funny how many rares there are in every zone :P |
| 06:23.35 | Shadowed | i actually see a lot of rares leveling my paladin |
| 06:23.38 | Shadowed | i run into one a day! |
| 06:24.01 | grimman|PivaePVP | kaiden: It is indeed... I saw like 4 rares in the barrens with my nubbie hunter... along with the extremely rare pet everyone wants there. Of course I was too low level to tame it. ;( |
| 06:24.24 | kaiden | grimman|PivaePVP, guess what.. you can tame those mobs in wailing caverns now |
| 06:24.26 | kaiden | the snake creatures |
| 06:24.34 | grimman|PivaePVP | The flying ones? |
| 06:24.37 | kaiden | nono |
| 06:24.44 | kaiden | the ones inside the instance the vipers or whatever |
| 06:24.52 | grimman|PivaePVP | Oh. |
| 06:25.11 | kaiden | the ones the druids turn in to when they shift forms |
| 06:25.13 | grimman|PivaePVP | The ones with the same model as the snakes in Silithus, ye? |
| 06:25.20 | kaiden | no |
| 06:25.27 | grimman|PivaePVP | *sigh* |
| 06:25.30 | grimman|PivaePVP | Then nm. ;) |
| 06:25.32 | kaiden | lol |
| 06:28.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Tem, it's all slowly clicking into place. Thanks. |
| 06:28.19 | Tem | np |
| 06:28.57 | ScytheBlade1 | I still have a fair bit to figure out, but with you + existing addons, slowly, I'm getting there ;) |
| 06:28.58 | Cairenn | updated 2.0 changes thread at wowi, since Iriel can't get at the blizz forums right now: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6568 |
| 06:29.18 | Saeris | kaiden, you said you haven't received yours either; does your email address contain a period before the @ sign by chance? |
| 06:29.38 | kaiden | nope |
| 06:30.24 | Shadowed | Cairenn you should have just said it'd take 3 weeks for the keys to come |
| 06:30.34 | Cairenn | so I should |
| 06:30.48 | Tem | Can I make a suggestion? |
| 06:31.10 | Cairenn | Tem: suggest away |
| 06:31.12 | Tem | STOP ASKING ABOUT THE KEYS. |
| 06:31.14 | kaiden | as long as it doesn't involve nekkid gnomes |
| 06:31.18 | Cairenn | heh |
| 06:31.43 | kaiden | Tem you can't complain, you've had beta for a long time now :) |
| 06:32.01 | Saeris | haha, fair enough. I'm just eager to test my addons. |
| 06:32.10 | Thunder_Child | nekkid gnomes will be shot on sight |
| 06:32.20 | kaiden | Saeris, you wrote cyCircled right? |
| 06:32.23 | kaiden | and cyArt |
| 06:32.35 | kaiden | or am i thinking of the wrong name |
| 06:32.51 | kaiden | maybe i'm thinking of Sairenn |
| 06:33.00 | Saeris | Nope, that's not me. |
| 06:33.30 | Inside | crap |
| 06:33.35 | Inside | >_> |
| 06:33.43 | Inside | My uno addon doesn't work with gatherer D: wrrrrrrry |
| 06:34.09 | jaxdahl | slouken's name is Sam? |
| 06:34.49 | Cairenn | yes |
| 06:34.50 | Inside | sfasdfasfd |
| 06:34.53 | Inside | non-local variables. |
| 06:35.06 | Inside | screwed the pooch on that one |
| 06:38.08 | kaiden | well that is a peta violation... |
| 06:38.26 | Inside | hmm.. local type, name = JoinChannelByName(chan); |
| 06:38.30 | Inside | Both type and name are local variables in that? |
| 06:38.42 | kaiden | yes |
| 06:38.47 | Inside | hmm |
| 06:39.03 | Inside | Looks like gatherer was naughty and uses 'type' as a global too >_>? |
| 06:39.28 | kaiden | i always use obscure variables to avoid problems like that |
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| 06:39.38 | kaiden | even though it shouldn't matter sometimes it does |
| 06:40.14 | Iriel | I recommend using luac outside of wow to check for 'global leak' in your code |
| 06:40.30 | Inside | umm... |
| 06:40.34 | Inside | and then see what _G contains? |
| 06:41.05 | kaiden | Cairenn, someone asked me if ui compilations were getting keys also |
| 06:41.12 | kaiden | i couldn't answer them honestly so i figured i'd ask you |
| 06:41.24 | Cairenn | grrrrr |
| 06:41.35 | Cairenn | if it's more than just a zipped up addon folder, we consider it |
| 06:41.38 | Shadowed | Ask them if they did any real work besides searching curse |
| 06:41.48 | Cairenn | but it's really not what they are intended for |
| 06:41.54 | Shadowed | (also that searching TWO resource sites at once doesn't include work) |
| 06:42.00 | kaiden | dunno it's one of my guild mates i told him if it wasn't a real addon he shouldn't take a key |
| 06:42.04 | kaiden | but he wanted me to ask anyways |
| 06:42.11 | Cairenn | I really don't like doing it |
| 06:42.12 | kaiden | i think he probably just searched curse hehe |
| 06:42.19 | norgs | Technically compilation authors just need to wait for the original authors to fix their addons. |
| 06:42.39 | Cairenn | yup |
| 06:42.40 | kaiden | well there are some compilation authors that actually do work |
| 06:42.42 | kaiden | ie Devla |
| 06:42.48 | Shadowed | compilation's are just opinions for the lazy |
| 06:42.54 | Shadowed | *most are |
| 06:43.13 | Cairenn | and Insomniax |
| 06:43.16 | Cairenn | and Nurfed |
| 06:43.20 | kaiden | ie, the leaders |
| 06:43.30 | norgs | I'm pretty sure most of the good ones have their own addons anyhow |
| 06:43.33 | Cairenn | and those ones, I have no objections |
| 06:43.50 | Shadowed | i'd consider those addons more then compilations anyway |
| 06:43.56 | Kirkburn | Aaaah, what's the hide UI shortcut? |
| 06:43.58 | kaiden | i felt bad for being entered for a key for my addon |
| 06:44.01 | kaiden | but it was an addon :) |
| 06:44.06 | Shadowed | ALT + Z |
| 06:44.14 | Kirkburn | Thanks :D |
| 06:44.17 | Inside | The best thing to do would probably be just to create a seperate environment for your program, eh >_> |
| 06:44.25 | Shadowed | or /script UIPanel:Hide(); :p |
| 06:44.59 | kaiden | Cairenn, i think maybe back on the 1st when i submitted mine i may have screwed up, i had a previous addon and i was so excited and i had never actually uploaded an update i just clicked upload addon |
| 06:45.07 | kaiden | so i think it may have put a new copy of it up instead of updating it |
| 06:45.12 | kaiden | :P hope that didn't get me declined hehe |
| 06:45.18 | Cairenn | nope |
| 06:45.45 | norgs | The first set of keys haven't come through yet... just be patient like everyone else |
| 06:45.46 | kaiden | I made the Half-Life esque unitframes called NeptuneDisplay |
| 06:45.51 | Kirkburn | Lol, I just got [The Stoppable Force], a grey :) |
| 06:46.10 | Shadowed | haha |
| 06:46.33 | kaiden | norgs, i'm quite patient, i have a beta to play until i get my key |
| 06:46.45 | kaiden | as long as i can keep my roommate appeased he wont restrict my access |
| 06:46.46 | kaiden | :P |
| 06:47.00 | norgs | kaiden: sssh |
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| 06:47.28 | kaiden | it's not account sharing if you are in the same room and can just hop on their computer! |
| 06:47.36 | Shadowed | yes it is :p |
| 06:47.36 | kaiden | :P |
| 06:47.41 | kaiden | nah no way it is hehe |
| 06:47.44 | ckknight | hey all |
| 06:47.50 | Shadowed | I'm pretty sure the language specifically says sharing it with another person |
| 06:48.02 | Shadowed | not sharing the password |
| 06:48.13 | Saeris | Kirkburn: That is pure awesome. |
| 06:48.19 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 06:48.34 | kaiden | Shadowed, if that were the case there would be hundreds of thousands of accounts of husbands and wives and friends and roommates banned |
| 06:48.34 | Kirkburn | Well I'm nearing 2/3 of level 60 |
| 06:48.40 | kaiden | and we know blizzard doesn't want to take that hit |
| 06:49.04 | Shadowed | kaiden: What the language says you can't do and what blizzard inforces are two different things :p |
| 06:49.24 | ckknight | kaiden, Shadowed, pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered. |
| 06:49.41 | norgs | especially if you're smart enough to say it on a logged channel |
| 06:49.42 | kaiden | and chickens go insane |
| 06:49.43 | Shadowed | servers up, must whore nodes! |
| 06:49.43 | Cairenn | night guys |
| 06:49.56 | kaiden | norgs, if they decide to ban me too bad for them |
| 06:50.05 | kaiden | i couldn't care less if they choose to ban the account for such a retarded reason |
| 06:50.12 | kaiden | if they do then they dont deserve the money in the first place |
| 06:50.19 | norgs | trouble is, it'll be your mate who gets banned :) |
| 06:50.28 | kaiden | he feels the same way about the matter |
| 06:50.32 | Cairenn|afk | kaiden: enough please? |
| 06:51.12 | Cairenn|afk | if you want to flaunt the rules, that's your prerogative, but you know better than to carry on about it in this channel |
| 06:52.12 | Shadowed | yay for two arcane crystals in a row |
| 06:52.32 | Saeris | In the same vein? |
| 06:52.52 | Shadowed | er, in two different veins in a row |
| 06:53.04 | Saeris | Oh. Still quite a rarity. |
| 06:54.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, a semi-functional crappy looking button is lightyears ahead of what I had a few hours ago. |
| 06:54.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Sleep time! |
| 06:54.49 | Shadowed | hehe |
| 06:54.51 | Shadowed | night ScytheBlade1 |
| 06:54.55 | Thunder_Child | sleep...whats that? |
| 06:57.49 | Shadowed | ....the fuck 3 crystals in 3 veins in a row |
| 06:58.02 | kaiden | Shadowed, hax |
| 06:58.11 | Shadowed | apparently |
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| 06:58.52 | thr | Damn you maintance! |
| 06:58.54 | thr | Damn thee! |
| 06:59.02 | Shadowed | also, it's a good idea to make sure you don't click off Leviate when you dont have enough health to survive a fall |
| 06:59.11 | thr | Shadowed: Nonsense! |
| 06:59.21 | Garoun|Loupana | night folks |
| 07:00.26 | Thunder_Child | Night Garoun|Loupana |
| 07:00.59 | kaiden | aren't Garoun and Loupana the same words? werewolf? |
| 07:01.05 | kaiden | or something along those lines |
| 07:03.03 | Thunder_Child | Garoun is a journal in Armenia |
| 07:11.13 | Inside | Erf. |
| 07:12.04 | Inside | How do I upload a new version of an interface? |
| 07:12.42 | Tem | either click the "edit" button on it's page |
| 07:12.55 | Tem | or follow the "upload and update" link from the front page |
| 07:13.15 | Inside | ah |
| 07:13.16 | Inside | I see >_o |
| 07:14.41 | Inside | Anyway, back to the drawing board trying to make a decent event-based game engine <_< |
| 07:15.09 | Inside | also, off topic -- http://basshunter.m0o.eu/dota/index_en.php |
| 07:15.51 | Inside | What's DotA? 0_o |
| 07:16.36 | ckknight | Defense of the Ancients |
| 07:16.39 | Thunder_Child | defence of the Ancients |
| 07:16.46 | Thunder_Child | a map from WC3 |
| 07:16.50 | Inside | I want to play that now. <_< |
| 07:17.04 | ckknight | I don't like it |
| 07:17.07 | Thunder_Child | he also did one about an irc bot |
| 07:17.08 | thezanke | kinda new... how do i add a button to my window and make it reset variable a and variable b? |
| 07:17.59 | Inside | Hmmm |
| 07:18.12 | Inside | From a completely heterosexual viewpoint, I'd hit it. |
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| 07:18.50 | sylvanaar | any sw stats users? |
| 07:20.05 | thezanke | Disclaimer: DotA does not make you poplular at raves or cause dancing girls |
| 07:20.13 | Shadowed | sylvanaar: yeah |
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| 07:25.36 | thezanke | the fact that this dude in the irc bot video is using a dell laptop made him just lose any remaining respect i had for him |
| 07:25.40 | sylvanaar | |Shadow|: you do? |
| 07:25.46 | sylvanaar | er Shadowed |
| 07:25.58 | Inside | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:25.59 | Inside | bad |
| 07:26.03 | thezanke | agreed |
| 07:26.05 | thezanke | . |
| 07:26.28 | Inside | the dota one at least rhythmic (if repetative), the irc bot one tried to fit too many words into one beat. |
| 07:27.02 | Shadowed | yeah, my guild uses it sylvanaar |
| 07:29.02 | sylvanaar | Shadowed: well - im developing the sw stats module for version2 since artack is busy - can you suggest some features you would like to see? are you using sws 2.0 ? |
| 07:30.35 | Shadowed | 1.5.3. Probably the two things would be an easier to use interface for stuff like reporting, or showing which meter to use. Along with addon chann support |
| 07:30.47 | Shadowed | (not sure if 2.0.0 has either) |
| 07:32.47 | sylvanaar | Shadowed: oh, well - syncing in 2.0 is in the addon channel and totally automatic. Also - although you cant control resets of the main segment that is syncing, at each reset, the previous segment is just placed in storage and you can maniuplate those old segments and report on them |
| 07:34.02 | sylvanaar | Shadowed: er - more precisely resetting has the same rules as 1.x, but it doesnt delete the data, just starts a new set |
| 07:34.04 | Shadowed | So basically it just changes it so if you want total damage/deaths during an entire raid you can show that, but you can still reset it on a specific boss fight without losing all the data? |
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| 07:34.45 | sylvanaar | Shadowed: yes, depending on how many times you reset the meter you get finer grained data |
| 07:35.00 | sylvanaar | sylvanaar: we do it per boss attempt |
| 07:35.24 | sylvanaar | my name completion is wacky today |
| 07:35.25 | Shadowed | hrm, i'll have to bug my guild to upgrade |
| 07:35.37 | Shadowed | Or, possibly break it in our raid addon and blame blizzard forcing them to upgrade |
| 07:36.16 | sylvanaar | hehe, well - the one thing about it is you have no choice to join the sync channel |
| 07:36.33 | Shadowed | Eh, nobody will care. hear more complaints about people asking for the sync channel :p |
| 07:37.00 | sylvanaar | which some people cant get their heads around - since the meter doesnt delete data when it is reset |
| 07:37.57 | sylvanaar | ok well - its in pretty good shape - it would have been released but artack had some pc issues |
| 07:38.33 | Shadowed | well, people pretty much complain or send addon issues to me anyway. So it wont be anything new ;p |
| 07:38.44 | sylvanaar | haha |
| 07:39.35 | sylvanaar | well - if you do try it out - try out sws2fu as well - and let me know anything you think might be useful |
| 07:40.27 | Shadowed | Will do |
| 07:41.51 | ckknight | question: does anyone know of any mod that changes the size of WorldMap POIs such as the Player arrow? |
| 07:42.20 | Shadowed | havn't heard of one that does that, do one of the map note mods do it maybe? |
| 07:43.55 | Shadowed | sylvanaar: I assume that you wont change anything inbetween the current 2.0 one out and the one you're releasing? (IE, better to bug everyone to upgrade after you release yours) |
| 07:46.34 | sylvanaar | sylvanaar: you mean the fubae plugin? |
| 07:46.55 | Shadowed | sorry, I mean syncing in SWStats not the fubar plugin |
| 07:47.40 | sylvanaar | Shadowed: Artack doing that still - im just doing the FuBar plugin - which is a 'value add' |
| 07:48.54 | Shadowed | ahhh i see |
| 07:49.10 | Shadowed | trying to herb farm and read IRC at the same time :p |
| 07:50.52 | sylvanaar | Shadowed: hehe, the fubar plugin will let you do things you cant do with sw stats alone - so, im trying to get input on what people want to see, for instance i added D+HPS as an option for hybrids |
| 07:51.27 | Shadowed | nice |
| 07:52.08 | Tem | lol |
| 07:52.20 | Tem | "Oh! Oh! I'm having one of those things! |
| 07:52.31 | Tem | You know! a headache with pictures" |
| 07:52.35 | sylvanaar | Shadowed: and another module that lets you share your panel configurations with other raid members |
| 07:52.47 | Tem | >"An Idea?" |
| 07:53.01 | Tem | *affimative grunts |
| 07:54.28 | Shadowed | nice |
| 07:55.42 | Xuerian | I'd like to add my belated two cents: DotA is bloody retarded. |
| 07:55.45 | Xuerian | That is all. |
| 07:55.52 | ckknight | I agere. |
| 07:55.53 | ckknight | agree* |
| 07:56.39 | Shadowed | i'd also like to add that daze is retarded |
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| 07:57.01 | Shadowed | (or priests need to be able to heal through 5 elites on them)( |
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| 07:59.23 | Nom_ | heh |
| 07:59.35 | Nom_ | Shadowed: That's what freakin Pallys are for |
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| 08:00.18 | Shadowed | my farmbot is a priest :p |
| 08:00.31 | Shadowed | wont have a paladin for a month or two more! |
| 08:00.39 | Nom_ | I know :~( |
| 08:00.54 | Nom_ | Pally's have a talent to reduce chance of interruption by 70% |
| 08:00.57 | Nom_ | freakin bs |
| 08:01.15 | Nom_ | not to mention a talent that gives them mana when thye get healed |
| 08:01.24 | Shadowed | so do priests for healing :p |
| 08:01.32 | Mr_Rabies | shamans have 70% too now, and druids as well i think |
| 08:01.42 | Nom_ | Yeah, but pally's have plate |
| 08:01.53 | Nom_ | Plate > Mail > Leater > Cloth |
| 08:01.58 | Shadowed | shadow priests can get pretty close to plate mitigation actually |
| 08:02.15 | Nom_ | not when you take into consideration the shield bonus |
| 08:02.23 | Mr_Rabies | i saw a screen of a warlock with something like 78% total mitigation :[ |
| 08:02.24 | Nom_ | Block > All |
| 08:02.36 | Nom_ | err |
| 08:02.40 | Nom_ | given 75% is the cap |
| 08:02.45 | Nom_ | I think it was doctored |
| 08:02.46 | Mr_Rabies | it's the armor cap |
| 08:02.47 | Shadowed | well no, not considering shield bonus |
| 08:03.00 | Mr_Rabies | including soul link, etc |
| 08:03.02 | Shadowed | but 55-60 mitigation is pretty good |
| 08:03.07 | Mr_Rabies | he had like some massive amount of effective hp |
| 08:03.13 | Mr_Rabies | i've got like 68% on my druid i think |
| 08:03.18 | Nom_ | Dude |
| 08:03.26 | Nom_ | 100,000 armor at level 60 = 75% damage reduction |
| 08:03.32 | Nom_ | And noone is going to get there |
| 08:03.46 | Mr_Rabies | i thought the cap was ~15000 |
| 08:03.51 | Mr_Rabies | which was 75% |
| 08:03.54 | Shadowed | 100,000? |
| 08:04.03 | Nom_ | http://www.worldofwar.net/guides/damagereduction.php |
| 08:04.11 | Shadowed | 45% mitigation on my priest, but i'm only in rank 12/10 gear + blues |
| 08:04.16 | Nom_ | There's a graph showing the curge |
| 08:04.18 | Nom_ | curve even |
| 08:04.33 | Nom_ | 15,000 probably gets you to 75% yeah |
| 08:04.53 | Nom_ | And there is just no way a cloth wearer can get 15,000 armor |
| 08:05.06 | Nom_ | Unless you can wear more than one of every item :P |
| 08:05.09 | Mr_Rabies | he had a huge amount plus soul link |
| 08:05.22 | Mr_Rabies | those combined plus some other stuffadded up to massive mitigation |
| 08:05.34 | Shadowed | Every class has weakness and strengths, the people who do well in PVP are the ones who work with what they have rather thne trying to get blizzard to change it :p |
| 08:06.10 | Nom_ | Armor based damage reduction isn't what makes a damage taker however |
| 08:06.22 | Nom_ | Skills like Block, Dodge and Parry do |
| 08:06.32 | Shadowed | Which are you talking, PVE or PVP |
| 08:06.41 | Nom_ | Hence why ... tanks ... get them :P |
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| 08:06.56 | Shadowed | my main is a warrior :p |
| 08:07.12 | Nom_ | Yeah, and you can't tank for crap without the above said abilities :) |
| 08:07.37 | Shadowed | Dodge/Parry certainly help, but Shield Block/Block are the two major ones |
| 08:07.55 | Nom_ | yah |
| 08:08.01 | Nom_ | get a damage meter that records each one |
| 08:08.15 | Nom_ | It's a significant amount of damage that you can dodge/parry... :P |
| 08:08.43 | Nom_ | It is better to have dodged, or parried than to have blocked :) |
| 08:08.50 | Shadowed | main is a warrior, i tank alot. I know the value of dodge/parry :p |
| 08:09.10 | Shadowed | But hands down, i will take the ability to block + shield block over dodge/parry |
| 08:10.06 | Nom_ | Depends on your dodge and parry chances |
| 08:10.42 | Nom_ | *shrug* |
| 08:11.27 | Shadowed | Healing through damage is the easy part of tanking, healing through spike damage is what makes it hard, which is what block mitigates ( and does a better job of mitigating over dodge/parry ) |
| 08:11.51 | Shadowed | of course, this depends on the fight. Some, like PW more parry/dodge is nice, while block is less useful if you're eating HS's |
| 08:11.58 | Nom_ | True, but then bock is still a chance... right? |
| 08:12.03 | Nom_ | block even |
| 08:12.15 | Shadowed | So is parry and dodge |
| 08:13.37 | Nom_ | Yeah, then the point is moot...you really want all3 :) |
| 08:13.57 | Shadowed | yeah, but given a choice, i'd overall want block :p |
| 08:13.59 | Nom_ | I just hope they're not multiplicative |
| 08:14.14 | Shadowed | they shouldn't |
| 08:14.26 | Shadowed | take a look at the attacktables page on the wiki |
| 08:14.53 | Tem | "We don't use the term 'insane;' we prefer the term 'mentally hillarious.'" |
| 08:15.05 | Shadowed | haha |
| 08:17.29 | Shadowed | Pretty much with good gear + prot spec, you have something like crazy like a 0.1% chance of being crit |
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| 08:24.48 | thezanke | how do i do an onlick for a button? |
| 08:24.55 | thezanke | function DPC_Reset_OnClick(1)? |
| 08:24.59 | thezanke | in the lua* |
| 08:26.32 | Tem | "I promise we can visit him once a month" |
| 08:26.43 | Tem | >"We can be his period!" |
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| 08:32.51 | ckknight | Tem, lol, what's that from? |
| 08:33.02 | Tem | I bet you can guess |
| 08:38.35 | thezanke | when i click my reset button all it tells me is "attept to call a nill value" |
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| 08:39.33 | thezanke | when what i want is for it to reset the variables "variableA" and "variableB" |
| 08:39.46 | Saeris | That's all? No indexing error, just plain ol' "attempt to call a nil value"? |
| 08:39.52 | thezanke | yeah |
| 08:40.20 | thezanke | i have tried registerforclicks too |
| 08:41.13 | Mikk | How did you register the onclick for the button? |
| 08:41.18 | Saeris | That's an error propagated by the C++ sending the button the OnClick script, I think. Does the button have an OnClick script? |
| 08:41.33 | Mikk | function MyOnClickFunc() dostuff here.... end |
| 08:41.55 | Mikk | MyButton:SetScript("OnClick", MyOnClickFunc()) <- will cause errors later |
| 08:42.04 | Mikk | hmmm |
| 08:42.05 | Mikk | ignore me |
| 08:42.13 | Mikk | that'll result in the script being nil -- not called at all |
| 08:42.18 | Mikk | won't attempt to _CALL_ nil |
| 08:42.34 | Saeris | Can you paste the XML? |
| 08:42.44 | Mikk | paste it on pastey.net or something |
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| 08:45.18 | thezanke | sec |
| 08:45.26 | thezanke | its messy i just started learning this stuff |
| 08:46.11 | Tem | call a nill value can be anumber of things |
| 08:46.26 | Tem | the easist is obviously nilVariable() |
| 08:46.39 | Tem | for k,v in nilVariable is also a possibility |
| 08:48.41 | thezanke | XML: http://pastey.net/2239 LUA: http://pastey.net/2240 |
| 08:48.52 | thezanke | the parry and doges wont update anymore either |
| 08:49.01 | thezanke | like they get set to 0 like they are supposed to |
| 08:49.05 | thezanke | and then they wont update |
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| 08:58.06 | Saeris | <OnClick>DPCReset_OnClick</OnClick> should be <OnClick>DPCReset_OnClick()</OnClick> presumably |
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| 09:01.51 | Saeris | As for the other thing, it's possible something else is using the global variables "parry" and "dodge". Should probably make those local. |
| 09:02.08 | XLVII | Does anyone in here use Gatherer that has a full Herbalism database? (300 prefered, please) |
| 09:03.30 | thezanke | mad it local and still no update |
| 09:04.47 | thezanke | wait |
| 09:05.01 | thezanke | its because i never defined the <onevent> |
| 09:05.19 | kaiden | wow trinity buttons is actually a really nice addon |
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| 09:17.37 | |FF|Im2good4u | great 2.13GB on 80kbps .. |
| 09:18.57 | |FF|Im2good4u | BC beta is way big... |
| 09:21.43 | XLVII | Does anyone in here use Gatherer that has a full Herbalism database? (300 prefered, please) |
| 09:22.04 | Shadowed | the author of gather frowns on sharing databases last I heard :p |
| 09:22.13 | sylvanaar | XLVII: did you try just looking for one on curse/uiwow? |
| 09:22.37 | sylvanaar | isnt there a gatherer sync too? |
| 09:23.11 | Shadowed | that was for saving/moving databases, not sure if he actually frowns on sharing databases. just remember reading something about it! |
| 09:23.29 | Shadowed | dunno, maybe he's not afk aand in the chan! |
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| 09:24.01 | s|loup | hi |
| 09:28.08 | s|loup | i have read the explanations about the new secure system but i think that i haven't understand it, maybe my english is not good enough for it. Someone can help me with it? |
| 09:28.11 | s|loup | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=34224257&sid=1 |
| 09:29.22 | s|loup | why should i use secure templates instead of the old templates? |
| 09:33.41 | XLVII | I've already talked to him.. |
| 09:34.08 | XLVII | He doesn't mind, he's actually making a Gatherer that will share with your party / guild in December, but that's too long to wait for me. |
| 09:35.00 | Thunder_Child | basicly i belive that by useing secure templates you can *do* things in combat with your mod |
| 09:35.34 | Thunder_Child | nvm |
| 09:35.41 | Thunder_Child | outside only |
| 09:35.50 | s|loup | hm but than i didnt understand the sentence: WoW 2.0 also introduces a new Frame concept, protected frames, which act like normal frames out of combat, but when in combat cannot be programatically shown, hidden, re-sized or re-anchored, nor can its attributes be changed. |
| 09:36.30 | Thunder_Child | what didnt you understand about that? |
| 09:36.54 | s|loup | i think thats the same as normal frames do |
| 09:37.31 | Thunder_Child | not in 2.x patches |
| 09:37.34 | Thunder_Child | ish |
| 09:38.25 | Thunder_Child | what it is saying is that mods wont beable to do intelegent things in combat |
| 09:38.58 | Thunder_Child | Intelligent* |
| 09:39.00 | s|loup | so they cant change the spell as an examples while in combat on the button |
| 09:39.07 | Thunder_Child | no |
| 09:39.20 | Thunder_Child | out of combat, fine, in no |
| 09:39.37 | s|loup | ok, but thats the same as for normal frames? |
| 09:39.39 | Thunder_Child | spell, nor the target |
| 09:40.06 | Thunder_Child | what normal? |
| 09:40.12 | s|loup | the old ones |
| 09:40.27 | s|loup | mom |
| 09:40.40 | Thunder_Child | wont be old ones, there will be tainted and untainted |
| 09:40.53 | s|loup | like this: UIPanelButtonTemplate |
| 09:41.43 | Thunder_Child | wait around 9 hrs then ask ppl who know more about it then i do |
| 09:41.49 | s|loup | ok |
| 09:42.10 | s|loup | thanks anyway |
| 09:42.26 | Thunder_Child | also, do a bit more research, i think things have chnaged a bit since then |
| 09:42.28 | Thunder_Child | np |
| 09:45.01 | Mery | well the secure templates are the only possibility to case / target through a frame in combat |
| 09:45.10 | Mery | cast* |
| 09:46.22 | Mery | (i.e. you cannot make a frame that targets a unit on click and works in combat without using a secure template) |
| 09:47.49 | s|loup | hm but as iriel said, secure templates can also be not shown/hidden when in combat |
| 09:47.49 | grimman|PivaePVP | Looks like my SmartStuff is borked for good. :( |
| 09:47.59 | Mery | yes |
| 09:48.06 | Mery | because then it would be easily abusable |
| 09:48.22 | Mery | to get the old features (dynamically chosing spell and target) back |
| 09:48.37 | Mery | (every possibility on top of each other and only show the desired one) |
| 09:48.58 | Thunder_Child | mery that can still be done, my useing layers |
| 09:49.08 | Thunder_Child | by* |
| 09:49.24 | Mery | layers cannot cast |
| 09:49.51 | Thunder_Child | i was refering to [11/08/2006 - 01:48] Mery: (every possibility on top of each other and only show the desired one) |
| 09:49.54 | s|loup | layers can also not hold frame-derivates |
| 09:50.13 | Saeris | Yeah, regions can't perform actions like that. Only frames and direct frame derivatives. |
| 09:50.27 | Mery | yeah but you won't be able to hide the ones you don't need during combat |
| 09:50.46 | s|loup | so you must show all or nothing during combat |
| 09:50.47 | Mery | so you'll always only cast the spell that was on top when combat began |
| 09:50.52 | Thunder_Child | no but if they are smallish and all stacked ontop of eachother should do ok |
| 09:51.07 | Thunder_Child | oh, i was refering to targets not spells |
| 09:51.17 | Mery | s|loup: no, you can show / hide during combat using state headers |
| 09:52.31 | s|loup | so the addon can make a decision to show up a button as before? |
| 09:53.22 | Mery | I'm not that sure what exactly state headers can do |
| 09:53.38 | Mery | but basically everything is limited to decisions allowed by blizzard |
| 09:53.59 | s|loup | and the only thing, that they want to restrict is to have one button for all |
| 09:54.13 | Saeris | State headers require a hardware event to shift states while in combat, I think. |
| 09:54.33 | s|loup | like the example from iriel |
| 09:54.45 | Thunder_Child | well i think they want to restrict inteligent decision making my the mods |
| 09:54.46 | Mery | (i.e. you can change the behaviour of a button depensing on state, show hide unit frames based on unit exist) |
| 09:54.53 | Thunder_Child | by* |
| 09:54.59 | Mery | depending* |
| 09:55.08 | Thunder_Child | it's late, thats my excuse |
| 09:55.14 | s|loup | hehe |
| 09:55.30 | Mery | no they don't require a hardware event to change according to stance |
| 09:55.45 | Mery | they are like "if in stance 1 then cast spell 1" |
| 09:55.57 | Mery | "if in stance 2 then cast spell 2" |
| 09:56.17 | Mery | like the possibility in macros |
| 09:56.22 | Mery | the new* |
| 09:56.52 | Tem | addons simply cant change the state during combat |
| 09:56.59 | Tem | hardware event or not |
| 09:57.14 | Tem | there are quite a few ways to change thate though |
| 09:57.27 | Tem | and they are all well documented in the code |
| 09:58.38 | Saeris | Three times now I've read through the state header code. Each time I think I understand the deep details of it, then I have my notions shattered by an obscure scenario. I'm guessing it'll be easier to understand when I can actually experiment with it instead of just read the source. |
| 09:58.59 | Mery | =) |
| 09:59.18 | Thunder_Child | Just remeber "there are exceptions to every rule" |
| 09:59.30 | grimman|PivaePVP | Saeris: What state header code, where? :P |
| 09:59.58 | Mery | http://wdn.wowinterface.com/code/2006022/FrameXML/SecureStateHeader.lua |
| 10:03.41 | grimman|PivaePVP | http://loot.dlxmedia.net/?bzzzzz.jpg -- wth? |
| 10:06.31 | Kirkburn | The Tempest Keep EU guild CastSpell is getting larger :D |
| 10:07.16 | cryogen | how does one join this guild? :) |
| 10:10.28 | Kirkburn | Go online and ask me for an invite :) |
| 10:10.44 | Kirkburn | (Alliance is CastSpell, Horde is TargetUnit |
| 10:11.18 | cryogen | oki :) |
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| 10:32.04 | grimman|PivaePVP | Have you guys tried conditional macros? |
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| 10:34.35 | wereHamster | can both I and my brother use one key to upgrade to BC or do we both need a separate key? |
| 10:35.22 | thr | "attempt to call a nil value" |
| 10:35.31 | thr | is the error i get for some reason, but it doesn't say where. |
| 10:35.40 | thr | I know what's wrong.. it's trying to call a nil value, but where? |
| 10:36.10 | nevcairiel | wereHamster: you need one key for one account |
| 10:36.14 | thr | a |
| 10:36.15 | thr | ah |
| 10:36.30 | wereHamster | could we share the account? |
| 10:37.56 | Mery | officially I guess: no, propability anybody cares (especially if you are on the same IP): not very big either |
| 10:38.21 | wereHamster | hm.. no, we live in a different location .. |
| 10:38.32 | wereHamster | is it still porssible to sign up on wowinterface.com? |
| 10:38.41 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 10:39.06 | wereHamster | will the key be sent right away or is it sent in batches? |
| 10:39.32 | nevcairiel | once a week on tuesdays |
| 10:39.46 | wereHamster | ok.. thanks |
| 10:46.08 | Kirkburn | Wheee, level 61 :) |
| 10:46.53 | s|loup | no on wednsday |
| 10:49.16 | [Liquidor] | Hi everyone :) |
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| 11:03.32 | sylvanaar | http://wdn.wowinterface.com/code/2016082/FrameXML/ActionButton.lua pretty much says it all |
| 11:07.40 | Corrodias | i must learn... what advantages a rogue has over mages. that is, their comparative power and usefulness in pve and pvp |
| 11:07.43 | Corrodias | if any |
| 11:09.35 | [Liquidor] | erhm stealth |
| 11:09.39 | [Liquidor] | and blind |
| 11:09.41 | [Liquidor] | that's all |
| 11:11.09 | Corrodias | i get this feeling... that if things don't change, i'd be just that much more useful in raids as a mage. |
| 11:12.37 | Corrodias | by that i mean that if the end instance bosses aren't designed to let rogues fully participate |
| 11:26.41 | [Liquidor] | Just wait till you get your Shadowstep :) |
| 11:28.23 | Corrodias | if i play that rogue up |
| 11:28.36 | XLVII | Okay, I have a question |
| 11:28.44 | Corrodias | but didn't i see that as a talent at the end of a tree? wouldn't that mean not all rogues are getting it? |
| 11:29.07 | XLVII | My scrolling combat text isn't working? (as in, the 'white' text over npc / pc) |
| 11:29.10 | XLVII | How do I fix it? |
| 11:33.12 | [Liquidor] | http://pastey.net/2218 - How come I don't see anything ingame? |
| 11:37.44 | Corrodias | okay, you create frames... do you have to run Show() or anything? |
| 11:38.17 | [Liquidor] | Don't ask me questions, I'm the new one to creating frames with lua :) |
| 11:49.31 | Corrodias | mage. rogue. rogue, mage. |
| 11:49.37 | Corrodias | mm, fire |
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| 12:05.22 | XLVII | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:05.33 | Corrodias | hm. there's a video here of a mage blinking through an instance portal to get past it without going into the instance. i expect that isn't possible any more, but it's got me curious. |
| 12:06.47 | Corrodias | it reminds me of right after 1.12 went live, if i remember correctly. our realm was up but the instance server for our group wasn't, so you would try to enter ZF, it would sit there for several minutes on the "loading" screen, and then finally say that the server couldn't be found and deposit you on the "inside", but still in the public space. there was an invisible wall a short way into it so we couldn't walk around. |
| 12:07.21 | grimman|PivaePVP | You can dupe that behavior quite simply. |
| 12:07.31 | grimman|PivaePVP | Enter instance, exit. Reset all instances. Repeat until you hit your limit. |
| 12:07.38 | grimman|PivaePVP | Game won't allow you to enter instance anymore. |
| 12:07.58 | cryogen | or get feared passed the portal |
| 12:07.59 | Corrodias | eh? limit? |
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| 12:09.06 | grimman|PivaePVP | Yes, limit. |
| 12:09.35 | Corrodias | what limit is this? |
| 12:09.50 | grimman|PivaePVP | I see someone hasn't been reading the patch notes... |
| 12:10.10 | Corrodias | i have. it doesn't mean i remember something from a couple of months ago that i never encounter. |
| 12:11.09 | Industrial | !!! no mail |
| 12:11.29 | Industrial | still :( |
| 12:11.45 | Industrial | Where can I get the beta client? |
| 12:11.48 | grimman|PivaePVP | I got mine, that's all that matters. ;D |
| 12:13.34 | grimman|PivaePVP | https://beta.wow-europe.com/expansion << Should contain a client download addy. |
| 12:14.05 | Industrial | https://beta.worldofwarcraft.com/expansion/ |
| 12:14.06 | Industrial | :P |
| 12:14.14 | Corrodias | i don't suppose you get a cookie for reporting a terrain bug that lets people into an unterrained area in the live game? |
| 12:14.44 | cryogen | you'd be lucky to get an acknowledgement |
| 12:15.26 | Industrial | so dont let us have fun |
| 12:15.27 | Industrial | :P |
| 12:19.15 | Corrodias | i wish they'd update http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/items/armorsets/ for the expansion races so we can plan out our characters |
| 12:19.32 | Corrodias | i desire to see what looks best for class/race/gender conversations |
| 12:23.42 | norgs_away | anyone on hellfire / alliance need guild invite before i log off? |
| 12:25.07 | norgs_away | kew' |
| 12:25.15 | norgs_away | ok - night :) |
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| 12:41.26 | Wobin | omg key wru |
| 12:41.40 | JoshBork1 | m. yrr! |
| 12:41.43 | JoshBork1 | me too! |
| 12:41.43 | JoshBork1 | gah! |
| 12:41.46 | JoshBork1 | btw, morning :_D |
| 12:41.52 | Wobin | mornin, Joshy |
| 12:42.22 | JoshBork1 | >_< |
| 12:44.26 | Wobin | They're both green |
| 12:44.49 | JoshBork1 | which means they are good for you |
| 12:45.01 | Wobin | like Soylent Green |
| 12:45.18 | JoshBork1 | or gangreen |
| 12:45.59 | Corrodias | i weep for my poor orc, whose future mostly appears to be soloing |
| 12:46.31 | Corrodias | *rogue, that is |
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| 12:54.32 | [Liquidor] | Is this wrong? frame:SetScript("OnUpdate", function(arg1) self:TaskBar_OnUpdate(arg1) end) |
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| 13:01.25 | Corrodias | hmm... Will of the Forsaken is so much more appropriate for a mage than the troll racial bonuses... |
| 13:02.00 | cncfanatics | troll racial is pretty gimp without MQG |
| 13:02.14 | cncfanatics | but as troll racial stacks with that gem it gets uber, 1sec fireballs -.- |
| 13:02.27 | Corrodias | gem? |
| 13:02.41 | cncfanatics | Mind Quickening Gem |
| 13:02.48 | cncfanatics | bwl drop that reduces casting time by 33 |
| 13:02.52 | cncfanatics | 33%* |
| 13:02.53 | cncfanatics | quite uber |
| 13:03.13 | Corrodias | ah, berserk affects casting speed. yeah. hmm. |
| 13:03.27 | Corrodias | well, i have played a druid. i know how to put up with unimpressiveness. |
| 13:04.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | <Corrodias> hmm... Will of the Forsaken is so much more appropriate for a mage than the troll racial bonuses... |
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| 13:04.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | a minimum of a 10% faster speed every 3 mins isnt too bad |
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| 13:08.08 | Corrodias | forgot about it affecting casting speed |
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| 13:15.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah |
| 13:15.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | i noticed now, i'm half asleep so i'm out of it |
| 13:16.53 | JoshBorke | Mikk: ! |
| 13:20.11 | Mikk | ! |
| 13:20.21 | Mikk | ? |
| 13:20.24 | JoshBorke | wb :-) |
| 13:20.28 | Mikk | hehe thanks =) |
| 13:20.39 | JoshBorke | i have texture questions for joo |
| 13:20.41 | Mikk | koi |
| 13:20.45 | Mikk | oki* |
| 13:20.53 | thr | Mr_Rabies: You realy think that |
| 13:21.07 | thr | berserking ~ wotf ? |
| 13:21.11 | thr | lol ;< |
| 13:21.17 | JoshBorke | the textures you gave me look great. i even added a slight glow to them when mouse-over'd. how do i make it look like it's been pushed down? |
| 13:21.25 | Corrodias | hells no, even i don't begin to believe it |
| 13:21.28 | Mikk | i need to draw them that way |
| 13:21.40 | Mikk | which ones do you need pushy? all? |
| 13:21.41 | Corrodias | but i'm not too sad about playing a troll mage. i don't like the undead. |
| 13:22.00 | JoshBorke | i'd like that :-) but at least the arrow buttons :-) |
| 13:22.13 | thr | Corrodias: I play a troll warrior atm so, but i didn't mean it at you just th Mr_Rabies2 made it sound like they were almost equally good. |
| 13:22.16 | thr | tbh berserking sucks, bigtime. |
| 13:22.24 | Mikk | josh: okay, i'll fix |
| 13:22.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | i meant that it;s not as massive of a difference as people make it out to be |
| 13:22.52 | thr | actually, it is. |
| 13:22.54 | thr | especially in pvp. |
| 13:23.18 | JoshBorke | Mikk: <3 |
| 13:23.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | only in pvp mostly |
| 13:23.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | not many mobs fear |
| 13:23.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | some bosses, etc but really |
| 13:23.43 | thr | I could argue that for everyone except the main tank berserking in pve is better then wotf. |
| 13:23.47 | thr | but in pvp, hell no. |
| 13:24.09 | Mikk | roll alliance. get neither. get dorf priests =) |
| 13:24.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | you can use berserking every time its cooled down in pve for a decent boost |
| 13:24.26 | thr | Mikk: I've been alliance for a year now. |
| 13:24.34 | thr | Seriously, alliance blows bigtime. |
| 13:24.45 | Corrodias | dorfs <3 |
| 13:24.55 | thr | Corrodias: If i could play dorf mage i'd be happy |
| 13:24.56 | thr | but i can't |
| 13:24.57 | thr | so |
| 13:25.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | you could in beta, or was it alpha |
| 13:25.22 | thr | ye I know |
| 13:25.22 | Corrodias | aleph |
| 13:25.24 | thr | I was there to do it |
| 13:25.26 | thr | which is why I miss it |
| 13:25.27 | thr | ;( |
| 13:25.37 | Corrodias | what was the dorfs in mages doing? |
| 13:25.44 | thr | huh? ;> |
| 13:26.02 | Corrodias | what was it like to play a dwarf mage that you miss it so? |
| 13:26.22 | Mikk | dorfs look so busy when the cast =) |
| 13:26.24 | thr | well, I could be a dwarf.. and a MAGE. |
| 13:26.29 | thr | best combo - ever. |
| 13:26.30 | Mikk | they* |
| 13:26.57 | thr | my main, or ex. main is human female mage which is ok - can't stand gnome. |
| 13:27.07 | thr | my current char(only lvl20, started him yesterday) is a troll male warrior <3 |
| 13:27.33 | Corrodias | an unusual sight, troll warriors |
| 13:27.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | didnt dwarves used to have the dance goblins have? |
| 13:27.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | the weird shuffle to the side thing? |
| 13:28.02 | Corrodias | mostly taurens and orcs, some undead, and just a few trolls. all male across the board. |
| 13:28.32 | thr | Corrodias: Well, orc i can't stand. undead female is ok but to weak for warrior-type char imho. undead male = everyone and thier grandma has one, and tauren seem to be the biggest choice for warriors. |
| 13:28.47 | Corrodias | "biggest" |
| 13:28.48 | thr | and I realy don't like tauren for some reason i can't put my finger on, maybe it's just my dinner talking that's to awkward. |
| 13:28.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | most every troll is a female hunter named lovebaby in tyr's hand all day |
| 13:28.53 | thr | Corrodias: well sorry ;< |
| 13:29.15 | Corrodias | trying to raid with taurens can be annoying because i hear it's hard to see over the top of us all :) |
| 13:29.27 | Corrodias | without moving the camera way out, anyway |
| 13:29.29 | Mikk | try raiding as gnome |
| 13:29.33 | Mikk | never see anything but arses |
| 13:29.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | two words |
| 13:29.43 | teomyr | Mikk: agreed |
| 13:29.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | bear |
| 13:29.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | ass |
| 13:29.45 | thr | Corrodias: better like this: "most common choice if you wan't to play a warrior on the faction called the "Horde" in the game "World of Warcraft" " |
| 13:30.01 | thr | DOH error in there also, well you get my point. |
| 13:30.07 | Corrodias | bearass. :( in your face. |
| 13:30.34 | Mikk | aye i know |
| 13:30.38 | Mikk | i'm tanking lots with my dr00d =) |
| 13:30.49 | thr | tanking droods should be forbiden |
| 13:31.00 | Mikk | funny that. i outtank every damn warrior i've come across =P |
| 13:31.00 | thr | "stfu and heal, or gtfo" as we used to say in my old guild ;P |
| 13:31.21 | thr | And what instances do you run? ;> |
| 13:31.28 | Mikk | hehe |
| 13:31.36 | Mikk | not endgame raids if that's what you're wondering ;) |
| 13:31.41 | Mikk | just started levelling her. 55 now. |
| 13:31.41 | thr | exactly. |
| 13:31.46 | Corrodias | they should be forbidden just because of huge bear ass in your face. |
| 13:31.50 | Mikk | nah i wouldn't want to tank raids |
| 13:31.56 | Mikk | wouldn't work very well |
| 13:31.59 | thr | Mikk: well pre-60, druids tank better then warriors. |
| 13:32.01 | Mikk | unless i was exceedingly overgeared |
| 13:32.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've tanked sulf adds and domo adds easy so far |
| 13:32.17 | Mikk | yeayea adsd |
| 13:32.18 | Mikk | adds* |
| 13:32.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | in terrible gear |
| 13:32.29 | Mikk | but you don't want to take on any of the bosses in bwl |
| 13:32.31 | Corrodias | asdasdas |
| 13:32.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | my old goal was to eventually tank everything possible up to nef |
| 13:32.39 | thr | Mr_Rabies2: but, hmm... we've had apriest tank those ;P |
| 13:32.58 | Mikk | that is to say.. i KNOW that a bear can tank BWL |
| 13:33.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | now that no one will be doing nef soon, i can change my goal |
| 13:33.02 | thr | Mikk: Druids rock pre60 because dire bear gives them such an armor boost that they go way above the warriors before warrs can get thier +def gear. |
| 13:33.07 | Mikk | because there's a druid in a giuld on my server that's done it |
| 13:33.17 | Mikk | problem is, she kind of had full T2 before she attempted it =P |
| 13:33.31 | thr | Mikk: full t2 druid that tanked? no way she did that in stormrage ;< |
| 13:33.37 | Mikk | hahaha |
| 13:33.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | another problem is tank itemization hasn't changed much in a year |
| 13:33.39 | Mikk | no |
| 13:33.55 | Mikk | translated: "had all the best drops possible from bwl and below for a feral" |
| 13:34.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | i hear nef is fun as hell for a druid to tank |
| 13:34.17 | thr | ok, well ^^ I thought of that but after what happend here yesterday I never take anything for granted ;P |
| 13:34.29 | Mikk | huhu. tanking in druid sets |
| 13:34.33 | Mikk | not doable |
| 13:34.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | nerve wracking, especially on the class call, but entirely possible |
| 13:34.42 | thr | Well, lemme tell you what happend yesterday then. |
| 13:34.48 | Mikk | shoot =) |
| 13:35.24 | thr | I had this question: "How do I find out the swing speed of my weapon?" Before asking the question I thought to myself "maybe I should add that I want it in the LUA code, and not wanna see it for myself - but none can be that stupid can they?".. the FRIST answer is "just hover the weapon in your characters inventory" |
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| 13:35.28 | thr | It made me cry ;< |
| 13:35.35 | Mikk | haha |
| 13:35.56 | Corrodias | i specialize in moving people to tears |
| 13:35.59 | Mikk | well, see, we've had some .. erm.. nubs around here lately |
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| 13:36.18 | Mikk | so when someone asks something like that, we're starting to assume that it really IS joe random nub that wants to know |
| 13:36.22 | thr | Mikk: well I can admit i'm a LUA nub, but that's about it ;< |
| 13:36.24 | Mikk | and not in Lua =) |
| 13:36.50 | Mikk | actually, the best thing i see about bear tanking -- at least if you have nice dps gear -- is that it seems damn easy to keep aggro on multiples |
| 13:36.58 | Mikk | i was tanking ST last night |
| 13:37.08 | Mikk | you know those pulls with 4 nonelites and 2-3 elites |
| 13:37.21 | Mikk | with a mage and warlock AoEing their hearts out |
| 13:37.26 | thr | For multi-tanking paladins are the best by far imho, but you were horde maybe? You don't have the bubbleboys just yet ;P |
| 13:37.28 | Mikk | they never got clobbered o.O |
| 13:37.37 | Mikk | actually i have a pally too |
| 13:37.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | in my tank gear spamming wipe nets me enough aggro to hold mage aoe |
| 13:37.44 | Mikk | and yeah i've toyed with tanking with him |
| 13:37.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | swipe |
| 13:37.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | not wipe |
| 13:37.51 | Mikk | aye |
| 13:37.58 | thr | Mr_Rabies: On three mobs then? |
| 13:38.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | i GAIN rage with swipe |
| 13:38.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | any number |
| 13:38.08 | thr | It only hits 3? |
| 13:38.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | just tab, 4, tab 4, tab 4 |
| 13:38.11 | Mikk | just alt tab and swipe more =) |
| 13:38.19 | Mikk | err |
| 13:38.20 | Mikk | not alt |
| 13:38.21 | Mikk | just tab =) |
| 13:38.22 | thr | I doubt that. |
| 13:38.27 | Mikk | that's what i do too |
| 13:38.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | it works fine for me |
| 13:38.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | i gain rage spamming it |
| 13:38.35 | thr | Well, ok maybe pre60 it's possible. |
| 13:38.38 | Mikk | run in, enrage, roar, tab swipe tab swipe tab swipe |
| 13:38.38 | thr | But in endgame raiding. |
| 13:38.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | because of blood frenzy |
| 13:38.51 | Mikk | blood frenzy? o.O |
| 13:38.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | well in endgame raiding you're usually tanking only 1 thing at a time |
| 13:38.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | whatever the bear talent is |
| 13:39.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | that gives more rage on crits |
| 13:39.13 | Mikk | ah. that's inbound crits. |
| 13:39.38 | Mikk | but yeah if you have 5+ mobs pummeling you, you do _NOT_ have a problem with aggro |
| 13:39.39 | Mikk | err |
| 13:39.40 | Mikk | rage |
| 13:39.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.thottbot.com/?s=primal%20fury |
| 13:39.49 | Mikk | i even have to mix in mauls to dump the rage |
| 13:39.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's outbound crits |
| 13:39.52 | thr | Well I know you can do that, tab/swipe thingy. But you won't be able to hold aggro over a mage aoe:ing in and endgame instance. |
| 13:40.08 | Mikk | oooh outbound |
| 13:40.13 | Mikk | thr: of course not |
| 13:40.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | i can hold aggro on mages in tier 2+ in my blues and occasional purples easy |
| 13:40.25 | Mikk | i'm just reflecting over how damn well it's working on these levels |
| 13:40.39 | thr | Mr_Rabies2: Oh gosh i wish we were on the same server ;< |
| 13:40.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | in aoe even |
| 13:40.46 | Mikk | but it's not like i'd run in with bear to try and hold the fire imps in MC :-P |
| 13:42.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | i accidentally hit challenging roar on a core hound pack once |
| 13:42.48 | Corrodias | singed fur |
| 13:42.48 | Mikk | hahahaha |
| 13:42.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | bad....idea >:[ |
| 13:42.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | and i used to tank mag every damn time |
| 13:42.49 | thr | Mr_Rabies2: Your guild lets you bear tank? |
| 13:42.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | well they used to |
| 13:42.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | until they killed nef, then they went elitist and i left |
| 13:42.49 | thr | And then realized how useless it was? ;P |
| 13:42.49 | thr | ah. ;p |
| 13:42.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | druids that know what they're doing are better at snap aggro than warriors |
| 13:42.49 | Corrodias | i used to want to defend druids as being good at something, because i played one. |
| 13:42.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | only problem is mitigation because of the tank itemization not changing |
| 13:42.49 | thr | Corrodias: Ye been there myself. |
| 13:43.03 | thr | Mr_Rabies2: That is such bullshit, maybe at rare-gear level and pre60 but endgame raids and tanks in full t3 it's just pure bs ;P |
| 13:43.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | what is? |
| 13:43.25 | thr | that a druid can overaggro a warrior |
| 13:43.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | at the tier 2 level, yeah |
| 13:43.52 | thr | well anything under t2 hardly count tbh |
| 13:43.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | they can steal aggro and hold it fast, but it doesn't keep building at the same rate as a warriors |
| 13:43.58 | Mikk | i wouldn't be surprised if that was the case actually -- at least if the druid was threat specced (of course) -- and wore more DPS gear than he should as a tank |
| 13:44.14 | Corrodias | turned out i have to admit that the druids don't shape up in most aspects. there are still some people who hold that druids can tank as well as warriors under certain circumstances. but i wonder if they'd just be really good warriors if they were warriors. |
| 13:44.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've got crap for attack power, just maul is one of the greatest threat building spells available |
| 13:44.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've probably got 700 in my tank gear |
| 13:44.42 | thr | Mr_Rabies2: And then you have what? maul, maul, maul, maul maul. |
| 13:44.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | but i can hold aggro really steady |
| 13:45.10 | Mikk | corrodias: you probably have a very good point there about good tanking druids prolly making good tanking warriors |
| 13:45.17 | Mikk | skill & overview > all |
| 13:45.19 | thr | well if druids are so good at aggro? why are not guilds using them? because you're the "englightened"(spelling, gosh) one? ;> |
| 13:45.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | because people are closed minded, especially at the raid level |
| 13:45.47 | thr | ah, right here it comes ;P i love this argument. |
| 13:45.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's why i gave up on it, because people at that level consider druids healers and nothing else |
| 13:46.00 | Corrodias | a little confrontational, aren't you? |
| 13:46.07 | thr | You know if druids actually were better then warriors people would have figured it out by now. |
| 13:46.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | they're not better, especially since tank itemization's been stagnant for a while |
| 13:46.32 | Mikk | the way I see it, there's just no way a druid tank can keep up with a warrior using the same level drops in endgame. plate itemization = nice. leather tank itemization = ... uhhwha? |
| 13:46.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah, that's the deal, tank itemization stopped in bwl pretty much |
| 13:47.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | there's a couple good tank pieces in aq20/40 |
| 13:47.12 | thr | meh I'll just give up i've bashed this topic to death a couple of times already. |
| 13:47.20 | Mikk | anyway. my POINT was ... |
| 13:47.26 | Mikk | DAMN it's fun tanking as a druid pre-60 =) |
| 13:47.31 | Mikk | </done> ;) |
| 13:47.34 | thr | Well, pre60 game owns. |
| 13:47.38 | thr | That I can agree on. |
| 13:47.41 | Corrodias | except for the bear ass |
| 13:47.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's fun tanking on a druid at 60 too :P |
| 13:47.45 | Mikk | hehe |
| 13:47.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | just gotta know what you're doing |
| 13:47.57 | thr | yay my server is up. |
| 13:47.57 | Mikk | i'll certainly try it out =P |
| 13:48.06 | Mikk | (scholo, strath, etc) |
| 13:48.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | people are like LF1M TANK UBRS and i'm like "eh, i'm bored, why not" |
| 13:48.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | then school the hell out of the other warrior in my pitiful DM level stuff with a random bwl purple thrown in |
| 13:48.54 | Mikk | i thought i'd mostly DPS my way through instances with the druid (wasn't building a healer - have a healbot already) |
| 13:49.01 | Mikk | turns out that 9 outta 10 times the tank sucks ass |
| 13:49.04 | Mikk | so i go bear :< |
| 13:49.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | i do whatever i feel like pretty much |
| 13:49.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | if i feel like dpsing, i find a group with dpsing in mind |
| 13:49.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | like the last time i ran ubrs |
| 13:49.33 | Mikk | the pickings aren't quite as ripe pre-60 =) |
| 13:49.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | i took about 75% of the group's total damage |
| 13:49.48 | Mikk | that's damn good for ubrs |
| 13:49.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | and was never really hurting |
| 13:50.10 | Mikk | granted, perhaps people pay a little more attention now with the 10 cap |
| 13:50.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've got like 8000 hp or something in bear, which isn't amazing, but not bad for only 1 epic |
| 13:50.22 | Mikk | sh*t |
| 13:50.44 | Mikk | or, perhaps what I need is a tank set |
| 13:50.47 | Mikk | using the dps set now |
| 13:50.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm at like 12000 armor and some crappy dodge |
| 13:50.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | like +5% or so other than what i have from a little bit of agi |
| 13:51.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | i think like 14% total or something in bear |
| 13:51.41 | Corrodias | ooo |
| 13:51.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | but tanking is so easy on a druid, i don't even have to try to pull and hold aggro on warriors |
| 13:52.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | growl + maul = aggro is mine for the rest of the fight |
| 13:52.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | had a mage in a couple pieces of tier 3 that was bored in a scholo run with me |
| 13:52.44 | Corrodias | if i had more feral talents that may work for me. i have more trouble as a healing spec when forced to tank for a battle out of necessity. |
| 13:52.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | that was a pain in the ass to try to tank |
| 13:52.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | luckily by the time he pulled aggro it was dead |
| 13:53.06 | Corrodias | hah, nice |
| 13:54.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1578952315615314769&q=druid+nefarian |
| 13:55.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | i used to tank drakonid mobs, those guys are pretty fun to tank |
| 13:56.18 | thr | Mr_Rabies2: check the link under that in the playlist |
| 13:56.24 | thr | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5240734562052795773&q=druid+nefarian "Hunter Tanks Nefarian" |
| 13:56.38 | thr | Because it's so hard to tank neff ;> |
| 13:57.16 | Corrodias | i like the way thr uses sarcasm and mocking smilies to show just how little he respects what you say |
| 13:57.27 | Corrodias | or believes it, anyway |
| 13:58.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah, he's one of the ones that made me give up on raiding :] |
| 13:58.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | the internet is apparently serious business |
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| 14:01.56 | Corrodias | our little realm has been growing in the last few months, it seems. :( |
| 14:02.31 | Corrodias | it's now at "high" population at 9am server time and occasional queues in the afternoon |
| 14:02.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | mine's got 2 decent guilds and a bunch of elitist asshat guilds |
| 14:03.27 | Corrodias | does it have those numberous nobody guilds started by anyone and his grandmother? |
| 14:03.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | i was in 2 elitist asshat guilds back when they were decent and left that sinking ship when i saw the telltale signs |
| 14:03.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | i think every server has those |
| 14:03.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | there's one called dragonsworn |
| 14:03.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | if you're unguilded in a capital |
| 14:04.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | you will get about 2 invites a minute |
| 14:04.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | some jerk invited me to another every time i clicked decline |
| 14:05.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | so i made a macro /g TELL REXISTIFF TO STOP INVITING ME |
| 14:05.10 | Mikk | haha |
| 14:05.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | accepted and spammed that a few times |
| 14:05.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | then /gquit |
| 14:05.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | by few i mean about 25 |
| 14:05.34 | Mikk | i should do that |
| 14:05.38 | Mikk | thanks for the idea |
| 14:06.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | i wouldn't mind if it was like a reinvite every 30 mins or so cause he forgot |
| 14:06.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | but every time i click cancel? aw hell naw |
| 14:06.12 | Corrodias | i would |
| 14:06.14 | Mikk | i would |
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| 14:06.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | i talked to the guild leader and he was like "Yeah, he's a noob, i don't know why i gave him invite ability" |
| 14:06.32 | Mikk | slamming ginvite dialogs in your face without speaking a word first is just damn rude to me |
| 14:06.40 | Corrodias | such spamming is harrassment and is SUPPOSED to be dealt with by GM's |
| 14:06.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | level 18 paladin inviting everyone he comes in draw distance with |
| 14:07.02 | Corrodias | in particularly extreme cases, they might actually do something about it. |
| 14:07.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | like i stealthed behind the guy in goldshire |
| 14:07.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | he'd run up to someone, stop for about 10 seconds, target them, and stand there for a few, before moving on to someone else |
| 14:07.47 | Mikk | haha |
| 14:07.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | it was hilarious |
| 14:07.57 | Mikk | leaving a stream of people in his guild =P |
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| 14:08.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | i got the weirdest tell today |
| 14:08.43 | krka | heh, good memories: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=556 |
| 14:08.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | it was like "GoodLuck Friend! :P10" |
| 14:08.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | and nothing else |
| 14:08.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | from a random level 1 troll |
| 14:08.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | in the starting zone |
| 14:09.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | O_o |
| 14:09.31 | Corrodias | i met a troll who apparently was roleplaying as a troll playing world of warcraft |
| 14:09.44 | Corrodias | it was not easy on my mind |
| 14:09.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | the rp noobs in stormwind are funny |
| 14:09.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | i like ghostwalka though |
| 14:10.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | despite being an rper, he's not the standard issue one |
| 14:10.22 | Corrodias | he made no attempt to indicate that he was roleplaying, but typed with an accent |
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| 14:10.54 | Corrodias | and i hate the way trolls run, just in case you're curious |
| 14:10.57 | Corrodias | tell me about ghostwalka |
| 14:11.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | he's one of the forum guys, he's helped out with a lot of stuff |
| 14:11.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | he should be an mvp |
| 14:11.23 | thr | Corrodias: Oh i respect his views, it's just that saying "druids are ze tanks" by showing a video of a druid tanking neff is very very far off. |
| 14:11.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | writes some gameplay guides and stuff |
| 14:11.48 | thr | and for the record, i <3 elitist guilds.. sure it's lonely at the top but very comforting looking down on the people below ;P |
| 14:13.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h179/JohnDyne/idontgetit.gif are why the standard issue RPers are hilarious |
| 14:15.10 | Corrodias | what is this? some kind of description window? |
| 14:15.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | flagRSP |
| 14:15.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | a mod for RPers |
| 14:15.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | that people like typing novels into |
| 14:15.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | about their chars |
| 14:15.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm tempted to get it to laugh at the cross realm guys |
| 14:15.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | read his rp class thing |
| 14:15.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | then the real player class |
| 14:16.04 | Beladona | a "ranger" |
| 14:16.06 | Beladona | wow |
| 14:16.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | Elven Ranger != Human Warrior |
| 14:16.17 | Corrodias | oh, dear. |
| 14:16.26 | Beladona | "Marlak! You are supposed to be tanking that boss! Stop shooting it with arrows damnit!" |
| 14:16.29 | teomyr | haha |
| 14:16.47 | thr | If you're going to RP an elven ranger isn't... Nightelf Hunter the best choice... just maybeee? |
| 14:16.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | i mean at least get a damn night elf, even though it's not quite a high elf, it's lanky with pointy ears and has a class that shoots bows |
| 14:17.30 | Beladona | talk about being useless |
| 14:17.38 | Beladona | but he can RP! |
| 14:17.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://imagesocket.com/images/bulge1d5.jpg |
| 14:17.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's a comedy one |
| 14:17.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | by someone on a forum i go to |
| 14:18.47 | Beladona | 0.o |
| 14:19.01 | Corrodias | how amusing |
| 14:19.09 | Beladona | I would have fun with that |
| 14:19.11 | Beladona | too much fun |
| 14:19.16 | Beladona | at the expense of others of course |
| 14:19.53 | Corrodias | it's just a roll on an RP realm away |
| 14:20.14 | Corrodias | i just hope the RPers don't mind too much when they have to PvP against us ... uh, nonrpers. |
| 14:20.14 | Beladona | Beladona lkes to spout random nonsense from time to time. Like "PONIES!" or "I am not wearing any pants! News at eleven" |
| 14:21.06 | Beladona | I have this friend. we are virtually brothers the way we banter on. Well anyway, you should hear us when we get together in TS |
| 14:21.08 | Mikk | http://www.wowwiki.com/Roleplaying <- I personally think the illustration says everything =) |
| 14:21.14 | Beladona | you can't have a serious conversation around us |
| 14:21.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://xs307.xs.to/xs307/06391/yarly.jpg |
| 14:21.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | wikipedia copypasta |
| 14:22.48 | krka | nice! |
| 14:22.55 | Corrodias | "Alternatively, as an evil paladin, players can work to suppress those who oppose them with force." |
| 14:23.08 | Corrodias | you know, we don't HAVE blood elves yet, so i think this line is a little inappropriate |
| 14:23.27 | Beladona | why? |
| 14:23.37 | Beladona | I always wanted to have a Shadowknight in WOW |
| 14:23.53 | Corrodias | i' |
| 14:24.06 | Beladona | but I would want a REAL ShadowKnight. i.e. the spells and everything |
| 14:24.11 | Beladona | =\ |
| 14:24.21 | Corrodias | i'm not aware that the paladins in the alliance are at all designed for "evil" is all |
| 14:24.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | deathknight is the closest thing |
| 14:24.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | and they're not really a good match for either faction |
| 14:25.14 | DocVanGogh | Hey, anybody got an idea, what I have to do, to get alphaMod=MOD to work on a texture? |
| 14:25.15 | zenzelezz | sod death/shadowknights, I want to play a drakonid :-o |
| 14:25.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | you want to run around rowing your paddle everywhere, zenz |
| 14:25.49 | zenzelezz | yes |
| 14:25.55 | Beladona | DeathHamster! |
| 14:26.11 | Beladona | with big... pointy... teeth |
| 14:26.11 | zenzelezz | I thought that was a bearded gnome? |
| 14:26.48 | thr | any1 can recommend any nice unitframes that dont take up to much cpu? |
| 14:26.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | did you see the alpha or whatever gnome model? |
| 14:27.05 | JoshBorke | thr: ag_UF |
| 14:27.06 | thr | I just wanna have something different for a while :) |
| 14:27.10 | Beladona | ugh |
| 14:27.33 | krka | undead paladin should be deathknight |
| 14:27.33 | Beladona | I am getting tired of people taking addons from other sites, and submitting them - thining we don't "check" |
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| 14:27.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | people are desperate :[ |
| 14:28.28 | thr | Beladona: howdoyoumean? they submit them as thier own work when it's not? |
| 14:28.42 | zenzelezz | Beladona: you should send them a message asking "So you're saying you take on the responsibility to make this addon BC-compliant and keeping it updated?", see how many replies you get |
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| 14:30.30 | Corrodias | well, it's about time i got to bed. 'ni everyone |
| 14:30.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | if i had even half of an idea on how to make addons i would make one :x |
| 14:30.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | see ya corr |
| 14:32.54 | [Liquidor] | Okay guys I've tried with diff ways but I can't seem to find the right one; How do I get the width of my screen? |
| 14:33.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | what do you mean? |
| 14:34.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | like finding game res through addons or something? |
| 14:34.57 | Vallerius | [Liquidor]: afaik, your screen is 1024 UI units wide. not sure if it changes with widescreen resolutions |
| 14:35.15 | Beladona | zenzelezz: no, we have that contest for BC keys, and you have to be an addon author. So people are more or less submitting exact duplicates of addons by other people who are STILL maintaining them at other sites |
| 14:35.36 | eternally777 | "contest"? |
| 14:35.38 | JoshBorke | which reminds me! |
| 14:35.49 | zenzelezz | Beladona: I know, that's why I think you should mess with the fakers |
| 14:35.56 | Beladona | lol |
| 14:36.10 | Beladona | nah, I contact them and tell them to contact me at the other site |
| 14:36.16 | Beladona | as the real author |
| 14:36.23 | Beladona | if they can, then I accept it |
| 14:36.41 | Beladona | they might just have a different name on our site, so I try to be fair |
| 14:37.16 | Beladona | some are blatant. Same name, same files, no changes |
| 14:37.32 | Beladona | some are less easy to recognize, like they change the name a little, and the files JUST enough to get by |
| 14:38.06 | Beladona | but if it is a person't FIRST submission, I scrutinize it |
| 14:38.57 | Beladona | which makes me want to cry, because I see a lot of coding mistakes, but can't really do anything about that, since we aren't denying addons for being crappy LOL |
| 14:39.28 | zenzelezz | lol |
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| 14:44.29 | Mikk | JoshBorke: http://mikk.cjb.net/gfx/buttons/ |
| 14:44.46 | Mikk | JoshBorke: http://mikk.cjb.net/gfx/buttons/arrows/ even |
| 14:44.58 | JoshBorke | Mikk: i ever tell you i love you? ;-P |
| 14:49.09 | Mikk | [Liquidor]: Get the width and height of UIParent |
| 14:49.12 | Cide | you just did, methinks! |
| 14:49.22 | Mikk | I.e. UIParent:GetWidth(), UIParent:GetHeight() |
| 14:49.26 | Mikk | that's your screen |
| 14:49.51 | JoshBorke | Mikk: he's on the phone. and he said that the frame:SetWidth(UIParent:GetWidth()) doesn't do his whole screen |
| 14:49.59 | Mikk | O.O |
| 14:50.06 | Mikk | Ohwait |
| 14:50.12 | Mikk | Maybe he applied a scale to his window |
| 14:50.29 | JoshBorke | i suggested he just set the 2 points |
| 14:50.41 | Mikk | Yeah SetAllPoints(UIParent) will do it |
| 14:50.59 | JoshBorke | he wants it to be like Fubar or Titan Panel |
| 14:51.11 | Mikk | Pick the points to set then ^^ |
| 14:51.31 | Mikk | Actually, if his window is a child of UIParent, SetWidth(UIParent:GetWidth()) won't cover the whole screen, end of story |
| 14:51.34 | JoshBorke | try frame:SetPoint("BOTTOMLEFT",UIParent,"BOTTOMLEFT") frame:SetPoint("BOTTOMRIGHT",UIParent,"BOTTOMRIGHT") is what i told him :-) |
| 14:51.34 | Mikk | UIParent scale is never 1.0 |
| 14:51.43 | Mikk | aye =) |
| 14:52.07 | zenzelezz | it isn't? |
| 14:52.07 | Kaso | Howcome my pet bar aint showing :< |
| 14:52.42 | Mikk | zenzelezz: Well ... "never" .... It defaults to a value <1.0, and I've yet to see someone INCREASE it. More often they decrease it =) |
| 14:52.42 | zenzelezz | maybe they figured it was unnecessary now that you have slash commands :-o |
| 14:52.57 | Kaso | haha |
| 14:53.05 | zenzelezz | Mikk: even if you don't have UI scaling enabled? |
| 14:53.16 | Mikk | You always have UI scaling enabled |
| 14:53.20 | Mikk | It obeys what the slider is |
| 14:53.28 | Mikk | That checkbox is whether or not it should obey Windows' UI scaling |
| 14:53.42 | Mikk | Unless I need coffee too much |
| 14:53.45 | zenzelezz | I don't think I follow o_O |
| 14:53.50 | Mikk | And I do need coffee :-Pp |
| 14:53.55 | zenzelezz | Windows' UI scale? |
| 14:54.16 | Mikk | Just a sec and I'll pop up the dialog. I don't trust myself right now. |
| 14:57.32 | Mikk | Yeah you were right. I was thinking about the Gamma setting |
| 14:57.40 | Mikk | Anyway |
| 14:57.44 | Mikk | The "default" isn't 1.0 |
| 14:57.54 | Mikk | And that's the one that gets used when you check that box |
| 14:58.21 | Mikk | The default is 0.90something |
| 14:58.41 | Mikk | 1.0 == you don't see the body of the birds at all, only the beaks |
| 14:58.54 | Mikk | "Use UI scale" unchecked == you see bits of the wings |
| 15:01.31 | zenzelezz | aha |
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| 15:16.29 | zenzelezz | http://www.acc.umu.se/~zqad/cats/1161356741260.jpg -- this belongs on the WoW forums |
| 15:18.27 | JoshBorke | draeni get fearward o.O |
| 15:18.31 | [Liquidor] | okay back |
| 15:18.32 | Shadowed | yeah |
| 15:18.40 | Shadowed | they got that a while ago last i heard |
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| 15:20.34 | JoshBorke | nifty |
| 15:21.27 | Mikk | heh |
| 15:21.31 | Mikk | still no horde fearward |
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| 15:22.11 | JoshBorke | Mikk: on the buttons, did you mean to make them off-set from the center? |
| 15:23.05 | JoshBorke | [Liquidor]: did you see my message about SetPoint's? |
| 15:23.16 | [Liquidor] | ye JoshBorke but I'm not sure what you mean |
| 15:23.31 | [Liquidor] | All I need is a frame to have the same width as the width of my screen |
| 15:29.29 | DocVanGogh | [Liquidor]:YourFrame:SetParent(UIParent); YourFrame:ClearAllPoints(); YourFrame:SetAllPoints(); |
| 15:30.30 | Industrial | S/;//G |
| 15:30.32 | Industrial | :P |
| 15:31.29 | malreth | DocVanGogh: that will make the frame the same width *and* height as the screen |
| 15:31.47 | Mikk | JoshBorke: hum? i made the arrows themselves move down and to the right, yes. is that what you mean? |
| 15:31.50 | Mikk | (it's pretty standard) |
| 15:31.57 | Mikk | or did they get deformed in some other way? |
| 15:32.32 | DocVanGogh | well - what size should the frame be? ;) |
| 15:34.35 | JoshBorke | Mikk: yes :-) ok, just double checking |
| 15:35.21 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:36.29 | JoshBorke | MORNING! |
| 15:36.32 | Cairenn | hi |
| 15:36.47 | Cairenn | I gather no key yet? I've been dreading asking |
| 15:36.57 | JoshBorke | lol, nope. i don't think Industrial got one either |
| 15:37.21 | Cairenn | guys, I don't know what to tell you |
| 15:37.26 | Cairenn | they'll show up when they show up |
| 15:37.30 | Cairenn | Mikk: US or EU? |
| 15:37.32 | Mikk | eu |
| 15:37.33 | JoshBorke | Mikk: oh! i had another question for you! how do i embed ChatThrottleLib into my addon? |
| 15:37.39 | Cairenn | seems they've all been EU |
| 15:37.46 | JoshBorke | not my addon, rather my embedded lib- |
| 15:37.50 | JoshBorke | so it's not a separate file |
| 15:37.56 | Industrial | Cairenn: I havent got one :( |
| 15:37.59 | Industrial | still... |
| 15:38.01 | Mikk | http://www.wowwiki.com/ChatThrottleLib#How_to_use_ChatThrottleLib |
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| 15:38.17 | Mikk | You really only need to get the .lua file loaded somehow |
| 15:38.21 | JoshBorke | Cairenn: it's ok, i'm not too concerned :-) not like there isn't another 6 weeks left |
| 15:38.36 | Mikk | Or, just copy&paste it into your library lua file |
| 15:38.40 | Mikk | ckknight did that with acecomm |
| 15:38.42 | JoshBorke | hm, ok |
| 15:38.46 | JoshBorke | that's what i'll do then :-) |
| 15:39.01 | Mikk | Put it at the end then |
| 15:39.07 | Industrial | 6 weeks |
| 15:39.12 | Industrial | can i get level 60 in six weeks? |
| 15:39.18 | JoshBorke | Industrial: yes |
| 15:39.20 | Mikk | I believe it does "if(not needed) return; end" |
| 15:39.26 | Industrial | that is, next to school |
| 15:39.30 | Industrial | and paladin |
| 15:39.32 | Industrial | :P |
| 15:39.50 | Mikk | figure 20 days played in a not-painful pace |
| 15:40.19 | Industrial | s/next to/I also have/ |
| 15:41.13 | Mikk | maybe 15 days /played if you really optimize your playing |
| 15:41.18 | Mikk | but yeah, pally grinding is slow |
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| 15:42.29 | Mikk | i went full omfgretri on mine and pimped him out quite a bit with dps gear |
| 15:42.37 | Mikk | still slow =P |
| 15:42.45 | Shadowed | you can do 11 |
| 15:44.11 | Mikk | myeah i won't even start guessing about only grinding, grinding, grinding |
| 15:44.20 | Mikk | i was more thinking along the lines of doing quests and seeing a bit of the world |
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| 16:03.58 | Kaso | man /dtframestack is so fast when youve got almost no addons enabled |
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| 16:05.20 | Shadowed | havn't had issues with it lagging, I notice a slight slowdown but nothing major at around 30-40 addons |
| 16:06.20 | Kaso | with my setup im lucky to get more than 2fps |
| 16:09.19 | Shadowed | ouch |
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| 16:40.25 | Saroz | anyone on alliance in tempest keep? |
| 16:43.55 | Kaso | Maldivia was sorting an alliance guild |
| 16:44.02 | Kaso | if you mean EU |
| 16:46.47 | Saroz | ye |
| 16:48.34 | Kaso | do /who CastSpell see if anyone is online |
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| 16:55.24 | Shadowed | [37:19] <@Cairenn> guys, I don't know what to tell you |
| 16:55.24 | Shadowed | [37:24] <@Cairenn> they'll show up when they show up |
| 16:55.31 | Shadowed | (IE: stop spamming check mail) |
| 16:55.31 | SB1-Work | I know |
| 16:55.52 | SB1-Work | Just wanted to spam that one last time :P |
| 16:59.26 | SB1-Work | ~lart MikkWoW |
| 16:59.27 | zenzelezz | if it helps, I haven't gotten a key either |
| 16:59.33 | zenzelezz | but there's a logical reason for that |
| 17:00.00 | malreth | you didn't sign up? |
| 17:00.04 | zenzelezz | yup |
| 17:00.37 | Kirkburn | haha |
| 17:00.43 | Kirkburn | I'm off out, see ya'll later |
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| 17:11.50 | Laric | is there any redrange or similair working for tbc ? |
| 17:12.00 | Laric | that is not tainting |
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| 17:35.04 | Warla | http://darky28.dyndns.org/chris/wowprofiles/?id=1 <-- works with BC :-) now i need to finetune it |
| 17:42.57 | Adrine | Hm, doesn't seem to want to come up for me |
| 17:48.02 | Warla | ? |
| 17:48.11 | Warla | try again.. might be slow loading |
| 17:48.15 | Warla | its on my laptop |
| 17:49.27 | JoshBorke | woohoo! dual-core > dual processor! |
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| 17:55.11 | Adrine | Dual core = awesomesauce. |
| 17:56.36 | Kaso | JoshBorkel, dual processor, dual-core! gogo 4 threads |
| 18:01.38 | Adrine | Dual core is the best thing ever for WoW modders |
| 18:01.51 | JoshBorke | i believe that should be: dual processor |
| 18:02.01 | JoshBorke | it just so happens dual-core has brought dual-processor to the desktop ;-) |
| 18:02.05 | Adrine | It's actually possible to tab in/out of WoW and keep a decent amount of CPU time available to your text editor and shell and stuff. |
| 18:02.28 | JoshBorke | i've been using dual-processor for 5 years now. i can't go back |
| 18:02.41 | Adrine | I'm single-processor at work, dual core at home, and the difference is huge. |
| 18:03.14 | malreth | i built my own dp machine back in 99 just to run BeOS faster |
| 18:05.10 | JoshBorke | malreth: nice :-) |
| 18:06.25 | teomyr | is there a simple way of determining whether a selected unit is in meelee range? |
| 18:07.01 | Shadowed | not easly |
| 18:07.20 | teomyr | damn |
| 18:07.32 | Kaso | if you're a melee class you can check IsActionUsable on a melee skill |
| 18:08.10 | teomyr | Kaso: i thought about that, but i'd like to avoid this, but obviously i won't have a choice :( |
| 18:08.31 | Kaso | otherwise you can check interact distance, but thats 11yrds |
| 18:09.51 | Shadowed | kaiden: Does interact distance work for hostile? |
| 18:10.08 | teomyr | note to self: never keep pet on passive mode while alt-tabbing out of wow |
| 18:10.17 | Kaso | "note" If "unit" is a hostile unit, the return values are the same. But you obviously won't be able to do things like Trade. |
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| 18:17.50 | wereHamster | teomyr, why? |
| 18:21.35 | teomyr | you mean why i want to avoid it? |
| 18:22.58 | wereHamster | yes |
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| 18:24.22 | teomyr | my mod would call it quite often, and i think it might have a bad impact on fps/memory usage |
| 18:25.23 | Shadowed | It shouldn't be *that* bad, but what are you trying to do |
| 18:26.17 | teomyr | i'm trying to create something like a threat meter for hunters/warlocks and their pets |
| 18:26.33 | Shadowed | eh? why do you need range for that |
| 18:26.42 | teomyr | according to http://www.wowwiki.com/Formulas:Aggro you gain aggro more quickly if you're within meelee range of the target |
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| 18:29.31 | Thunder_Child | not more qucikly, i think you simply need less, 110% aggro in mele and 130% out of mele |
| 18:30.57 | teomyr | yes, that's what i mean. i said aggro, not threat :) |
| 18:31.35 | teomyr | nevertheless range seems to play an important role |
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| 18:32.39 | teomyr | i guess debugging addons is more fun without a latency of 2.4k :/ |
| 18:35.43 | Shadowed | hrm |
| 18:41.48 | Adrine | teomyr: I'd just assume that a lock is out of melee range, really. |
| 18:42.06 | Adrine | 99% of the time they will be outside of melee, and if they're in melee, they're probably hellfiring which isn't something you dance threat on anyway. |
| 18:42.58 | teomyr | yes, i guess you're right :D |
| 18:43.01 | Adrine | You can assume that a voidwalker is in melee range if they're generating threat. Imp is probably ranged. Felhunter might be tricky. |
| 18:43.54 | Adrine | Felguard will be in melee range, succy...probably melee, though it'll be closer to the felhunter than the VW |
| 18:45.16 | teomyr | maybe i'll add range checks later on as soon as i get the basic stuff working |
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| 18:54.46 | ckknight | Iriel|Away, are you male or female? |
| 18:54.59 | Shadowed | he's a guy last i heard |
| 18:55.09 | ckknight | I thought so too |
| 18:55.15 | cncfanatics | damn Industrial |
| 18:55.25 | ckknight | but Indie is saying that Iriel's a female |
| 18:55.28 | Shadowed | guy until stated otherwise! |
| 18:55.29 | ckknight | so I just don't know |
| 18:55.41 | Thunder_Child | does it matter? |
| 18:56.02 | Industrial | hey thats what I heard :P |
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| 19:00.46 | Adrine | Iriel is a guy. |
| 19:00.50 | cncfanatics | ~whois Iriel|Away |
| 19:00.58 | Adrine | ~whois Iriem |
| 19:01.03 | Adrine | ~whois Iriel |
| 19:01.05 | cncfanatics | hmm, no bot here -.- |
| 19:01.05 | Adrine | Oops >_> |
| 19:01.15 | Adrine | Purl's here... |
| 19:01.38 | Adrine | But Iriel is a guy. I'm quite confident about that. |
| 19:01.47 | ckknight | I thought so. |
| 19:01.50 | ckknight | bad, Industrial |
| 19:06.15 | Cairenn|afk | Iriel is female. The person that plays the WoW character, however, is male. |
| 19:08.06 | ckknight | so Iriel's male. |
| 19:08.11 | axxo | silly RP'ers |
| 19:08.12 | Cairenn | yes |
| 19:08.14 | ckknight | alright. |
| 19:08.26 | ckknight | axxo, I like RPing |
| 19:08.53 | Thunder_Child | just out of curiosity, you do play male char's Cairenn? |
| 19:08.53 | axxo | i don't :) |
| 19:09.04 | Cairenn | nope |
| 19:09.23 | Thunder_Child | i have yet to meet a woman that does |
| 19:10.18 | Shadowed | one of my friends played a male char actually, although she got it from her BF originally |
| 19:10.27 | ckknight | Thunder_Child, my sister-in-law does |
| 19:10.39 | ckknight | she got tired of being hit on in game |
| 19:10.57 | Shadowed | next person that tries to hit on my char, i'm asking for gold |
| 19:11.23 | Thunder_Child | more like dimonds |
| 19:11.26 | axxo | i play a female char, never happened to me |
| 19:11.31 | Thunder_Child | shards, you know, the good stuff |
| 19:11.33 | axxo | everyone assume female chars are male anyway |
| 19:11.54 | Shadowed | yeha, i havn't had that many people. But the ones who do it are probably stupid enough to pay up anyway |
| 19:11.55 | Mery | you just made it too ugly =P |
| 19:12.00 | Shadowed | yeah* |
| 19:12.06 | Shadowed | why, do you have that problem Mery? :p |
| 19:12.47 | Mery | actually the only ones that tried were chinese farmers in more or less not understandable english lol |
| 19:13.00 | Shadowed | haha |
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| 19:14.12 | Thunder_Child | at least they could do the old line of "Me so horny, me love you long time" |
| 19:16.51 | Shadowed | How I love AV BG talk |
| 19:17.36 | Shadowed | "some guy: how old r u", "some other guy2: 10", "some guy: that explains alot", "me: how old are you?", "some guy: 21, engineering major lol" |
| 19:18.18 | Thunder_Child | the last one i was in i think they were doing your momma jokes... |
| 19:21.30 | Industrial | Anyone play US/Dethecus/Horde? |
| 19:21.41 | Industrial | god I hate that blizz has 99999 servers |
| 19:21.45 | Industrial | you never get to play with friends |
| 19:21.52 | Industrial | do it like EVE Online ffs |
| 19:22.10 | Industrial | well ok, all players of wow would be a little overboard |
| 19:22.14 | Industrial | on one world |
| 19:22.15 | Industrial | lol |
| 19:23.03 | Shadowed | theres a huge difference between EVE-Online and blizzard |
| 19:23.03 | Cairenn | hahhaha |
| 19:23.04 | Cairenn | http://www.badgods.com/lfgscreen.html |
| 19:23.10 | Shadowed | in terms of number of users and the world in general |
| 19:24.00 | Shadowed | hahahah |
| 19:24.30 | Thunder_Child | lolz |
| 19:24.55 | Thunder_Child | sadly it's true |
| 19:25.00 | Adrine | 6 million players divided by 5 servers = wait, you wanted more than 0.000002 FPS in IF? |
| 19:26.18 | Shadowed | well, it would be nice. But the world can't support it |
| 19:26.27 | Shadowed | EVE-Online is only I believe 2 million, and it's a huge world |
| 19:27.25 | Adrine | EVE's design is such that you can cluster machines together to expand the computing power available to the world without affecting the "seams" |
| 19:27.51 | Thunder_Child | i know, give sluoken his own server and let him control who is in it |
| 19:27.57 | Adrine | It's a lot easier to do a clustered server in something like a space sim, where you're rather unlimited in terms of geography. |
| 19:28.27 | Shadowed | well, when you think about it people end up on different areas in EVE-Online, and moving to join your friends is a pretty major thing depending how far away they are |
| 19:28.45 | Shadowed | especially when you start getting into zero space |
| 19:28.48 | weab | eve has nowhere near 2 million subscribers |
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| 19:29.17 | Shadowed | It's been about a year since i've played, can't remember the number :p |
| 19:29.23 | weab | it had *just* broken 100k when i was playing in februray |
| 19:31.14 | weab | http://www.eve-online.com/pressreleases/default.asp?pressReleaseID=20 |
| 19:31.56 | malreth | they made a lot of good decisions with the game design of Eve |
| 19:31.58 | Thunder_Child | Adrine, you prolly could put everyone on one server, you have clustered servers for each "zone" (e.g. Citys,Instances, zones) |
| 19:32.10 | weab | and a lot of terrible decisions with eve |
| 19:32.10 | malreth | the game can seemlessly scale as needed |
| 19:32.23 | weab | it's boring as all hell. |
| 19:32.32 | weab | and the ui makes me want to murder people |
| 19:32.44 | malreth | i'm talking about design |
| 19:33.00 | malreth | or... architecture, rather |
| 19:33.21 | malreth | the way the servers dynamically cluster to cope with population |
| 19:33.31 | Shadowed | Thunder_Child: You could certainly do it if you tried hard enough, but the way the world is designed would never support it well |
| 19:33.35 | weab | ah. the architecture is impressive, was not very impressed with the actual game :P |
| 19:33.58 | malreth | yeah... i quit after the beta.. it was a glorious looking mining simulator |
| 19:34.03 | Shadowed | i didn't think the UI was that bad, but I never cared for modifying it heavly :p |
| 19:34.04 | malreth | but |
| 19:34.23 | malreth | in its defense, it's not so much the game but the metagame that makes Eve so interesting to me |
| 19:34.37 | Shadowed | it was fun for a while doing stuff like camping a gate for 2-3 days so we could setup stuff like a station for an alliance |
| 19:34.56 | malreth | if you were involved with a good RP corp, i could see it being a lot of fun |
| 19:35.29 | malreth | i mean, one could say that doing simple math and rolling dice is boring... but that's taking a rather shallow look at playing AD&D |
| 19:36.00 | weab | that's not a fair comparison |
| 19:36.03 | weab | by any stretch at all |
| 19:36.26 | weab | d&d is about storytelling. a good dm can make or break it |
| 19:36.36 | weab | there is no dm in eve. just a boring game |
| 19:36.53 | malreth | i think you missed my point... but whatever |
| 19:37.17 | Shadowed | EVE-Online isn't as much about the actual game telling the story, but it's about the culture/story/drama/ect that evolve around corporations and alliances |
| 19:37.19 | weab | no, just pointing out the comparison is a bad one. math and dice IS boring. |
| 19:37.58 | Adrine | That's the biggest complaint I hear about NWN2, actually. |
| 19:38.00 | malreth | if you don't RP in eve... you'll find it to be as boring as rolling dice |
| 19:38.11 | Adrine | That it's mostly a glorified set of dice with shiny packaging |
| 19:38.27 | weab | Adrine: 1up review? :P |
| 19:40.17 | Thunder_Child | NWN2 is entertaining |
| 19:42.23 | Adrine | weab: No, just various people |
| 19:42.38 | Adrine | Though come to think of it I did hear something similar about the 1up review |
| 19:42.54 | weab | 1up review got pulled |
| 19:42.59 | malreth | take this, for instance... if the largest guild in WoW breaks up, nothing changes... Nef/C'thun/whoever gets farmed one less time that week. PvP battlegrounds get affected to some degree depending on their involvement there, but not much else changes |
| 19:43.00 | Adrine | I really enjoyed NWN, but it ran its course pretty quickly, IMO. |
| 19:43.40 | malreth | if a large corp in Eve goes away (is infiltrated and all their stock stolen, etc.), the changes ripple across the game... the structure of power changes |
| 19:43.58 | Thunder_Child | well it is all about the storyline, if i want more i will go play d&D |
| 19:44.18 | cryogen | eve is boring as hell unless you were one of the first players in the game |
| 19:44.29 | Shadowed | malreth point is, if you play EVE-Online and expect the game to tell you a story of keep you interested, you'll be bored within 10 minutes of playing. |
| 19:44.35 | Shadowed | malreth's* |
| 19:45.19 | malreth | Shadowed: that's because the story is made up by the actions of the players |
| 19:45.28 | Shadowed | Yeah I know :p |
| 19:45.35 | weab | malreth: while i find that aspect of eve fascinating, i just found that the game couldn't keep me entertained. i still enjoy hearing about alliances getting destroyed and EIB scandals and such |
| 19:45.53 | weab | but i get all those exciting stories without having to waste my time mining all day :P |
| 19:46.01 | cryogen | hehe |
| 19:46.10 | malreth | pay someone else to mine for you |
| 19:46.30 | Shadowed | Although, I couldn't stand farming ISK in EVE. |
| 19:46.34 | malreth | now you'll have even less to do in the game. that should make it even more boring |
| 19:47.09 | [Cu]Werik | First two months of EVE is equals to ethernal suffering |
| 19:47.30 | [Cu]Werik | (more precisely mining) |
| 19:48.12 | Shadowed | although, that is true |
| 19:48.12 | weab | i actually never did mine. i mined the one rock that was required of me in the tutorial thing |
| 19:48.18 | weab | and said holy shit this is gay. |
| 19:48.20 | Shadowed | I couldn't stand the learning system |
| 19:48.21 | weab | and never did it again |
| 19:48.35 | Shadowed | learning = skill |
| 19:48.42 | [Cu]Werik | first month is to learn learning skills:) |
| 19:49.24 | weab | skill system was another retarded and annoying cockblock. it was a huge red flag that said "hi, i'm designed to waste your time." |
| 19:49.58 | Adrine | I tried EVE in beta. I got like 15 minutes in and decided that it would be more fun to watch the uninstaller. |
| 19:50.19 | [Cu]Werik | :) |
| 19:50.26 | Adrine | I guess it may just be the type of gamer I am, but it just utterly failed to interest me. |
| 19:51.02 | [Cu]Werik | Well, most of the people who were writing 'history' starting in early beta. Phase 3 or 4 |
| 19:51.10 | [Cu]Werik | started* |
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| 19:51.48 | [Cu]Werik | It had a really nice community back then |
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| 19:53.29 | [Cu]Werik | People like Stavros :) |
| 19:55.19 | Adrine | Hahahahah. |
| 19:55.20 | Adrine | So. |
| 19:55.42 | Adrine | I was talking to a guildie a few days ago, telling him about the wowi key thing, and celebrating over my having a shot to get into beta |
| 19:55.49 | Adrine | He was all jealous and stuff. |
| 19:55.57 | Adrine | He got a random invite in his inbox last night. I'm still keyless. |
| 19:56.12 | Adrine | Someone has a sense of humor. |
| 19:56.16 | [Cu]Werik | You didnt loose much:) |
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| 20:00.42 | Thunder_Child | http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/2043/terrorall109tq.jpg lol |
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| 20:10.59 | SB1-Work | wow, someone resurrected an OLD thread |
| 20:11.06 | Shadowed | ? |
| 20:11.24 | SB1-Work | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=32314321&sid=1&pageNo=1 |
| 20:11.35 | SB1-Work | Err no wait, I can't read |
| 20:12.42 | JoshBorke | hola! |
| 20:13.01 | Thunder_Child | sup josh |
| 20:13.09 | Cairenn | hi JoshBorke |
| 20:13.16 | Cairenn | enjoy your lunch? |
| 20:15.38 | JoshBorke | mmmm, it was delicious! i had bbq sausage soup |
| 20:15.43 | JoshBorke | and then off to class i went |
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| 20:21.56 | SB1-Work | Wow, how did I miss this thread |
| 20:22.25 | Shadowed | "How many times people can whine about the TBC changes in a day" |
| 20:22.39 | Thunder_Child | alot |
| 20:22.43 | SB1-Work | Over 100 |
| 20:22.47 | SB1-Work | Up to page 6 on that thread |
| 20:23.14 | Thunder_Child | still, better to have them complain on the forum then in the game |
| 20:23.59 | SB1-Work | I think it's funny how many people are boycotting BC |
| 20:24.15 | SB1-Work | I don't think they realize that BC or not, they "GOING TO BE NERFEDLAWL" |
| 20:24.46 | SB1-Work | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=32314321&sid=1&pageNo=5#93 <-- that guy scares me |
| 20:26.35 | malreth | i find humorous the people who say the decurse fights will be too hard without decursive |
| 20:26.46 | malreth | i mean... really... |
| 20:27.01 | malreth | there are much harder boss fights in the game than luci or shazz |
| 20:27.15 | zenzelezz | no wai |
| 20:27.18 | SB1-Work | My former guild won't be able to pass luci or shazz for a bit considering that |
| 20:27.23 | Shadowed | while ignoring the fact that the only heavly decursive fight recently is viscious |
| 20:27.25 | SB1-Work | And note that they've taken down Nef several times |
| 20:27.37 | Shadowed | since naxx really doesn't have any like that |
| 20:27.52 | malreth | i did BWL last week without decursive and it was fine |
| 20:28.14 | Shadowed | BWL is like a year old though! |
| 20:28.30 | malreth | there's like an eternity of time during breaths to decurse on Chromaggus |
| 20:28.38 | Cairenn | For those of you that are in both channels, you can tell the folks they are welcome to come over here to ask their questions if no one is available in the other channel at the time. I don't, because I don't want anyone to think I'm trying to stir up trouble. |
| 20:28.54 | malreth | trouble? |
| 20:29.01 | SB1-Work | Erm, other channel? |
| 20:29.04 | Thunder_Child | we dont think it, we know it |
| 20:29.08 | Cairenn | don't worry about it |
| 20:29.12 | Shadowed | yeah, it's not that bad. But it was a lot harder fight when BWL first came out and people still had no idea on how the fight works or T0.5 and such |
| 20:29.32 | JoshBorke | we'll defend you Cairenn! |
| 20:29.35 | Cairenn | those that know what I'm talking about, know what I'm talking about |
| 20:29.42 | Cairenn | those that don't, needn't worry about it |
| 20:31.22 | Xuerian | Lies, Cairenn. |
| 20:31.24 | Xuerian | All lies. |
| 20:31.35 | Cairenn | mrr? |
| 20:31.57 | Xuerian | :P |
| 20:36.00 | Xuerian | ;P |
| 20:36.51 | JoshBorke | for v in select(...,#) do, i think... |
| 20:37.55 | Cairenn | Thunder_Child: you know what I'm talking about |
| 20:40.41 | Thunder_Child | i think i got there to late |
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| 20:45.38 | teomyr | wow |
| 20:45.56 | teomyr | i just found recipe: elixir of giant growth by accident while testing my addon :D |
| 20:47.24 | zenzelezz | giant girth? |
| 20:50.07 | Cairenn | stubborn prideful competitive ... grrrr ... if you really care about your community the way you claim, and there is no one that can help in your channel right now, send them over here for pity's sake. lord knows I send them your way when I don't have what they need |
| 20:50.45 | Cairenn | not a damn thing |
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| 20:52.31 | Xuerian | ~console Cairenn |
| 20:52.33 | purl | ACTION gives Cairenn the consolation moose |
| 20:52.59 | kaiden | *confused* |
| 20:53.04 | malreth | thus began the story of how teomyr left behind his life of addon development to become an alchemist |
| 20:53.05 | malreth | unfortunately, he lost his brother and his arm while trying to resurrect his dead mother and will continue to have issues about his father |
| 20:53.08 | malreth | somewhere, Sigmund Freud is smoking a cigar |
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| 20:54.15 | Thunder_Child | teomyr sounds alot like elric |
| 20:55.35 | jklaroe | yummy, new version of thunderbird |
| 20:55.40 | malreth | aw... Tem no longer looks tasty |
| 20:55.53 | Tem | heh |
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| 20:57.32 | teomyr | xD |
| 20:58.31 | zespri_work | So no keys thet week... I think I have a reasonable guess how this works |
| 20:58.32 | JoshBorke | Adrine: http://lua-users.org/lists/lua-l/2004-09/msg00105.html |
| 20:58.59 | zespri_work | They send keys everty thuesday which means they gradually add users to the beta |
| 20:59.14 | Shadowed | If they send keys every thuesday, why did some people get them monday night? :p |
| 20:59.15 | zenzelezz | haha |
| 20:59.18 | zespri_work | They are giving this keys because they have to test the thing under increased load |
| 20:59.19 | JoshBorke | well that's not quite it |
| 20:59.27 | zenzelezz | second [Misplaced Servo Arm] tonight |
| 20:59.31 | teomyr | different timezone maybe? |
| 20:59.41 | zespri_work | so it's quite possible that the last bunch of keys will be out just like a week before go live |
| 20:59.49 | zespri_work | so it's all is a big lottery |
| 20:59.56 | Shadowed | It could be they're checking the people and making sure they actually want to give them a key. Or it's possible they only want to add 50-75 a day |
| 21:00.37 | zespri_work | if you e-mail comes up first somehow, then you are in luck, and if you are out of luck you may wait weeks until they decide that they need this level of load to send you an invite |
| 21:01.06 | zespri_work | How is my idea? |
| 21:01.11 | zespri_work | I think it's clever =) |
| 21:01.17 | zespri_work | depressing though =) |
| 21:01.24 | Adrine | JoshBorke: Thanks for the link! |
| 21:01.43 | Adrine | zenzelezz: Jealous! |
| 21:01.49 | Adrine | <--- mace rogue still using Spineshatter |
| 21:02.02 | JoshBorke | http://lua-users.org/lists/lua-l/2004-08/msg00352.html |
| 21:03.22 | zespri_work | ok my beta downlad has finished... what else interesting should i download.... |
| 21:04.06 | Mike-N-Go | Hello, I am in the process of making my first addon, I want to make a key-binding for the trigger instead of IsAltKeyDown() I have looked at the binding stuff on wow wiki and at some addons that have bindings, I don't know what to do to get the binding to appear under the Key-Bindings selection inside of wow, any help would be appreciated. |
| 21:06.00 | Industrial | Tem: any update on AceGUI-2.0 ? |
| 21:06.02 | JoshBorke | Mike-N-Go: http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Use_Bindings.xml_to_create_key_bindings_for_your_AddOn |
| 21:06.39 | Mike-N-Go | I looked at that, but I did not understand all of that. |
| 21:07.23 | Mike-N-Go | Wait-I think I need to name it Bindings.xml, there it probably is. |
| 21:07.34 | JoshBorke | Mike-N-Go: so you have a file called: Bindings.xml |
| 21:07.35 | JoshBorke | ;-) |
| 21:08.42 | Mike-N-Go | Yup, I am testing that out now. |
| 21:08.43 | Shadowed | zespri: Chance at a key vs no chance, i'll take a chance :p |
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| 21:09.20 | zespri_work | i guess I just have to rationalize =) or whatever the right word is |
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| 21:12.50 | Mike-N-Go | Ok, I got it to appear in the KeyBinding list. |
| 21:15.19 | Mike-N-Go | Thanks, cya. |
| 21:15.40 | Cairenn | later Mike-N-Go |
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| 21:27.10 | jaxdahl | level cap raised to 70 within a week? |
| 21:27.27 | JoshBorke | on the ptr? cool |
| 21:27.40 | jaxdahl | http://blue.cardplace.com/newcache/beta/1252046.htm |
| 21:27.44 | jaxdahl | on the beta |
| 21:35.10 | jaxdahl | how can i get the IP address of my realm so i can traceroute to it without wow being open? |
| 21:36.15 | a-stray-cat | the only way i can think of is to connect to your realm and grab the ip of the connection ;p |
| 21:36.21 | a-stray-cat | and save it for later |
| 21:38.17 | jaxdahl | happen toknow the port? 3724? |
| 21:38.29 | a-stray-cat | its either that or 3742 :P |
| 21:38.51 | Thunder_Child | realmlist.wtf has the names addy, put it into tracert shoould translate it |
| 21:38.58 | Thunder_Child | named* |
| 21:39.02 | jaxdahl | thanks thunder_child |
| 21:39.36 | Thunder_Child | np |
| 21:39.37 | jaxdahl | it's one of these 2 |
| 21:39.37 | jaxdahl | 12.129.232.111:3724 |
| 21:39.37 | jaxdahl | 206.17.111.62:3724 |
| 21:39.51 | Thunder_Child | i have 12 on mine |
| 21:39.59 | Thunder_Child | err..the 12 one |
| 21:40.05 | Thunder_Child | ish |
| 21:41.04 | a-stray-cat | the 12 one is the logon server |
| 21:42.56 | jklaroe | quick MLA parenthetical citation for a website... |
| 21:43.20 | a-stray-cat | http://citationmachine.net/ |
| 21:43.33 | jaxdahl | Blume, Harvey. "Geek Studies." Atlantic Online 13 July 2000. 25 Sept. 2003 <http://www.theatlantic.com/ unbound/crosscurrents/cc2000-07-13.htm> |
| 21:43.51 | jaxdahl | publication date, date retrieved |
| 21:44.04 | jklaroe | I mean, in my paper, like for a book you do "Blah Blah Blah. (Author Page#)" |
| 21:44.15 | jklaroe | except websites don't really have page numbers |
| 21:44.30 | jaxdahl | Electronic Poetry Center. 2003. SUNY Buffalo. 25 Sept. 2003 <http://epc.buffalo.edu>. |
| 21:44.35 | jaxdahl | Mention in your text: |
| 21:44.35 | jaxdahl | "The Electronic Poetry Center archives..." |
| 21:44.59 | jaxdahl | http://www.libs.uga.edu/ref/mlastyle.html |
| 21:45.02 | jaxdahl | check the 3rd column |
| 21:45.06 | jaxdahl | for the specific one you need |
| 21:45.08 | jklaroe | thanks =) |
| 21:45.12 | a-stray-cat | jklaroe: last i did that i had to print all the websites out and use whatever page # it happened to be on the printout |
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| 21:45.22 | a-stray-cat | but i thought that was dumb |
| 21:45.26 | a-stray-cat | and its probably not standard :P |
| 21:46.13 | jaxdahl | quoting wikipedia is really easy since you can refer to a static revision page |
| 21:46.53 | jklaroe | ok, it says state that Mention in your text: |
| 21:46.54 | jklaroe | "Harvey Blume states..." |
| 21:46.54 | jklaroe | See section 6.4.1of the MLA Handbook for more information. |
| 21:47.11 | cryogen | quoting wikipedia is likely to be frowned upon |
| 21:47.22 | a-stray-cat | ^agree |
| 21:47.27 | jklaroe | if I don't have an author, I'd put like "Department of Energy Office of Science states..."? |
| 21:47.31 | cryogen | its not regarded as a reasonable source by most of the acedemic community |
| 21:47.34 | jklaroe | yea, he said no wiki-pedia |
| 21:47.44 | cryogen | s/ace/aca/ |
| 21:53.35 | Adrine | In fairness, the academic community doesn't consider the previous edition textbook to be a reasonable source, either. Pony up the $120, kids, I changed the copyright date and fixed a typo! ;) |
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| 21:55.33 | zenzelezz | preview screenshots can be so helpful: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/full4950.jpg |
| 21:55.36 | kaiden | lol |
| 21:57.37 | SB1-Work | Heh |
| 22:00.38 | jaxdahl | in my experience, using wikipedia as a reference is fine, but definitely not as a primary source, diversify! |
| 22:00.40 | Adrine | Boy howdy, that screenshot makes me want to download that mod. Whatever is it? |
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| 22:05.38 | Kaso | i seem to have developed a hang on PEW :< |
| 22:09.59 | zenzelezz | remove lasers |
| 22:11.55 | zenzelezz | so, how does other guilds handle the baby spawns at Maexxna... Improved Blizzard, Challenging Shout rotations, ..? |
| 22:12.11 | Industrial | no mail from blizz yet |
| 22:12.19 | Industrial | Cairenn|afk: maybe im in the second batch? |
| 22:12.37 | gnorlish | they must have lost yours |
| 22:12.43 | gnorlish | you should email them and check |
| 22:12.43 | zenzelezz | Industrial: I don't think Cairenn knows any more than you do really |
| 22:13.01 | Industrial | Please make sure to check your email on a regular basis for your invitation from Blizzard. |
| 22:13.05 | Industrial | hah! |
| 22:13.07 | Industrial | HAH! |
| 22:13.17 | SB1-Work | kyle@cerberus ~/.thunderbird/uawadi0h.default/Mail $ for a in `find ./`; do cat $a 2>/dev/null| grep worldofwarcraft; done; |
| 22:13.18 | SB1-Work | ... |
| 22:13.21 | SB1-Work | Nope, still nothing. |
| 22:13.22 | SB1-Work | :( |
| 22:13.39 | teomyr | how long do we have time to sign up btw? |
| 22:13.42 | Industrial | Please make sure to send all emails at once. Its not hard to send an automated batch. |
| 22:13.48 | SB1-Work | teomyr, it's ongoing. |
| 22:14.09 | teomyr | yes, but it probably won't go on forever |
| 22:14.19 | Shadowed | they'll come when they come |
| 22:14.22 | SB1-Work | They've specified one month iirc |
| 22:14.27 | SB1-Work | But don't quote me on that |
| 22:14.38 | teomyr | sweet *starts quoting* |
| 22:14.39 | Shadowed | knowing you'll get a key > not having one :p |
| 22:14.58 | Shadowed | *knowing you wont get one |
| 22:15.14 | Industrial | but i dont know if ill get a key, only thing i know is that its in the wowi list :P |
| 22:15.38 | gnorlish | you should keep checking your email |
| 22:15.43 | Industrial | i do |
| 22:15.48 | gnorlish | the speed at which you get the key is directly linked to how often you check |
| 22:15.55 | Shadowed | lol |
| 22:15.56 | gnorlish | so if you never check it will never come |
| 22:15.59 | Industrial | ... |
| 22:16.19 | Industrial | you dont want to know howmany times ive pressed F5 now gnorlish |
| 22:16.30 | Shadowed | how long have you been up? |
| 22:16.32 | gnorlish | other people have faster computers |
| 22:16.37 | Industrial | no they dont |
| 22:16.44 | Industrial | :P |
| 22:16.48 | gnorlish | so they can check faster |
| 22:16.55 | gnorlish | sorry, you gotta upgrade |
| 22:17.13 | Shadowed | gnorlish you asshole :p |
| 22:17.30 | Industrial | AMD Athlon 3800+ 64 bits Dual Core |
| 22:17.36 | Industrial | think thats fast enough gnorlish ? |
| 22:17.41 | Industrial | a bit old init? |
| 22:17.47 | Shadowed | I hacked Blizzards servers, so as soon as they send me the email i'll know to check |
| 22:17.49 | gnorlish | no way, not with intel's new chips |
| 22:17.52 | Shadowed | so i check faster then you AND i do less work! |
| 22:18.00 | gnorlish | and the new video card released today |
| 22:23.37 | SB1-Work | "But seriously, these "UI Enhancements" are but "DRM" writ large." <-- lol |
| 22:23.38 | Thunder_Child | lol, for a second i thought it was idkinterface |
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| 22:24.30 | Industrial | Thunder_Child: lol |
| 22:24.35 | Industrial | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=5605 |
| 22:25.40 | Thunder_Child | tom huh? |
| 22:25.50 | Industrial | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:26.25 | Industrial | 23:26 Irssi uptime: 44d 22h 28m 35s |
| 22:26.26 | Thunder_Child | i guess he in no one |
| 22:26.26 | Industrial | lol |
| 22:26.33 | Thunder_Child | is* |
| 22:27.56 | Industrial | Thunder_Child: yes I'm Tom |
| 22:27.58 | Thunder_Child | that is a very empty ss |
| 22:28.18 | Industrial | Thunder_Child: thats idInterface with no other addons loaded - since I dont include them |
| 22:28.25 | Industrial | its not much more WITH other addons anyway |
| 22:28.52 | Industrial | maybe I should show the (36) actionbuttons better |
| 22:30.16 | XLVII | How do I get the scrolling text over NPC and PC players when I deal damage to them back? I've tried everything and I can't get it working. |
| 22:30.22 | Kaso | its in your interface options XLVII |
| 22:30.43 | XLVII | Kaso, those are for damage / healing / things done to me.. |
| 22:30.47 | Kaso | advanced, Flaoting combat text, right at the bottom |
| 22:30.56 | Kaso | "Show target Damage" |
| 22:32.10 | XLVII | Kaso, thanks :P |
| 22:32.33 | Kaso | np |
| 22:36.54 | Kaso | When are we gonna get Show target Healing :< |
| 22:38.53 | JoshBorke | the new 8800 GTX from Nvidia is a BEAST |
| 22:39.24 | gnorlish | yes, yes it is |
| 22:40.05 | gnorlish | i'm gonna be putting together a nice new system in a few months due to all this sick new hardware being released |
| 22:40.06 | Adrine | Didn't they recall the 8xxx line or something? |
| 22:40.15 | Adrine | I read a headline about it, but didn't follow up |
| 22:40.22 | gnorlish | no they didn't |
| 22:40.23 | Thunder_Child | and if it does not have DX10 it is a pointless new card |
| 22:41.09 | gnorlish | it's, uh, the first card to support DX10 |
| 22:41.17 | Industrial | Cairenn: I wish the interface text edit thing had a Preview button :> |
| 22:42.31 | JoshBorke | they had to recall some 8800 GTX's because of a bad resistor setting but that none will get into the hands of consumers |
| 22:42.39 | JoshBorke | it is the first card to support DX10 |
| 22:43.20 | Industrial | have a 7900GT |
| 22:43.25 | gnorlish | it puts up performance similar to ati's latest and greatest crossfired |
| 22:43.34 | JoshBorke | yea, it's crazy sick |
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| 22:44.01 | JoshBorke | http://www.techreport.com/reviews/2006q4/geforce-8800/index.x?pg=4 |
| 22:44.04 | JoshBorke | are pretty graphs |
| 22:45.21 | Industrial | whats the difference between a GT and GTX? |
| 22:45.31 | Adrine | The GTXs are generally overpowered GTs |
| 22:45.53 | Industrial | hm, but I got mine from XFX |
| 22:46.02 | Adrine | "GS" tends to be the low-end budget model, vanilla the normal model, GT the high-end model, and GTX the uber-high-end model. IIRC. |
| 22:46.14 | Adrine | As least, that's how it's been since the 5-series. |
| 22:46.34 | Industrial | k |
| 22:46.46 | gnorlish | typically the highest # model with a GS is the "bang for the buck" card |
| 22:46.53 | gnorlish | and things kind of go up and down from there |
| 22:47.06 | Thunder_Child | then whats the gts? |
| 22:47.09 | Thunder_Child | GTS* |
| 22:47.29 | Thunder_Child | err..where does it fit in i mean |
| 22:47.31 | Adrine | Hm, I don't remember seeing GTS models. |
| 22:47.43 | Thunder_Child | "This can be seen in the implementation of 96 streaming processors in GeForce 8800GTS." |
| 22:47.45 | Industrial | s/GS/GTS/ I think |
| 22:47.53 | Adrine | There was a GTS designation for the 2-series |
| 22:48.02 | Adrine | Huh. |
| 22:48.07 | Adrine | No idea where that falls then. |
| 22:48.34 | JoshBorke | the 8800 is starting out with only GTX and GTS |
| 22:48.39 | JoshBorke | that's all i know :-D |
| 22:48.46 | gnorlish | i'm sure there will be new, confusing lettering schemes |
| 22:48.50 | Thunder_Child | says the the GTX has 128SP's and the GTS 96 SP's |
| 22:49.00 | Thunder_Child | so must be resonably close |
| 22:49.01 | Adrine | I suspect the GTS is the lower-end of the two mod...yeah |
| 22:49.03 | gnorlish | i usually compare by price range |
| 22:49.06 | JoshBorke | yes |
| 22:49.12 | JoshBorke | but low end is most definitely relative |
| 22:49.19 | JoshBorke | 499 vs 599 |
| 22:49.26 | Thunder_Child | woot, it also handles AA and HDR |
| 22:49.26 | Adrine | Their "S" designations tend to indicate a lower-power/lower-cost version of the card in what I've seen from their past few lines. |
| 22:49.54 | JoshBorke | Industrial: sorta. what kinda castbar? general purpose one? |
| 22:50.05 | Adrine | I'll just wait for them to release the 8900 and 8950 so I can pick up an 8800GT(S|X) on the (relative) cheap. |
| 22:50.16 | Industrial | JoshBorke: yes just a castingbar |
| 22:50.27 | Industrial | I wanna make one for idInterface |
| 22:50.38 | Industrial | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/full4366.jpg |
| 22:50.44 | Industrial | it would go next to the TOT hp bar |
| 22:50.49 | Industrial | and be the size of it too |
| 22:51.39 | Adrine | Good lord, the performance gap between the last gen and next gen is insane. |
| 22:51.54 | Industrial | JoshBorke: url?! :P |
| 22:52.01 | JoshBorke | http://www.techreport.com/reviews/2006q4/geforce-8800/index.x?pg=11 |
| 22:52.05 | Adrine | I'm looking at the F.E.A.R. benchmark and the 8800 more than doubles the 7900 |
| 22:52.07 | Adrine | http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2053788,00.asp |
| 22:52.09 | JoshBorke | good overall view |
| 22:52.33 | JoshBorke | Industrial: a castbar is merely a statusbar with an OnUpdate |
| 22:52.47 | Industrial | oh wait |
| 22:52.48 | Industrial | h |
| 22:52.49 | Industrial | hm |
| 22:53.09 | Adrine | F.E.A.R (1920x1200 4xAA/8xAF) - Core2 Duo - 8800 GTX SLI/3.80GHz Core 2 Duo SLI - 122 FPS |
| 22:53.11 | Adrine | Holy CRAP. |
| 22:53.29 | Adrine | FEAR makes my machine beg for mercy, and it's not exactly low-end |
| 22:53.36 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 22:53.39 | gnorlish | the 8800GTX can take Oblivion max settings |
| 22:53.42 | gnorlish | everything maxed |
| 22:53.44 | gnorlish | 40fps |
| 22:53.55 | Thunder_Child | here is a good compairison chart http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/11/08/geforce_8800/page4.html |
| 22:55.42 | Thunder_Child | lol oblivion is disgusting "Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion has been our ultimate torture test. This is the only title with which the GeForce 8800GTX cannot produce more than 30 frames per second in a test. However, that is when the resolution is maxed out at 4 MPixels per frame (2560x1600) and every feature is enabled in the game. Scaling back to 2048x1536 with all of the bells and whistles turned on plays above 30 fps in the outdo |
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| 23:05.00 | Adrine | What the review doesn't tell you is that if you try that same setup on a Series 7 or earlier card, your computer actually gets -negative- FPS. |
| 23:05.07 | Cairenn | hey hey Neuro_Medivh |
| 23:06.17 | JoshBorke | wow, i am super impressed by the 8800 |
| 23:06.26 | JoshBorke | i want to recommend it to my boss for gpu computational testing |
| 23:06.29 | Adrine | I am super impressed by its pricetag, too! |
| 23:06.32 | Adrine | Hah, nice |
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| 23:07.33 | Industrial | idInterface-2.0 http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=5605 |
| 23:07.39 | Industrial | ack |
| 23:07.40 | Industrial | 1.1 |
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| 23:16.46 | JoshBorke | Industrial: you get it? |
| 23:16.58 | Industrial | what |
| 23:17.00 | JoshBorke | the cast bar i mean :-) |
| 23:17.03 | Industrial | yeah I started working on it |
| 23:17.03 | Industrial | :D |
| 23:21.34 | JoshBorke | bb all |
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| 23:22.58 | JoshBorke | bb all |
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| 23:26.33 | dweash | hey |
| 23:38.33 | Cairenn | hi |
| 23:38.40 | Gryphen | heya |
| 23:38.46 | zespri_work | hello =) |
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| 23:57.15 | Kaso | can someone explain the getn/setn changes, im a little confused |
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