| 00:13.19 | Kirkburn | Argh, why must Azzor.com anger me so with its huge 'download FF' banner. |
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| 00:22.58 | SP|Sorren | cuz it knows you secretly want to download ff again |
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| 00:23.53 | Cairenn | hi ckknight |
| 00:24.01 | Kirkburn | Isn't installing it once enough? :P |
| 00:24.38 | SP|Sorren | its trying to get you to relive that thrill of installing it. |
| 00:24.43 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 00:25.06 | Kirkburn | Installing IE7 was far more interesting, it had pretty pictures :) |
| 00:25.23 | SP|Sorren | IE7 knows i pir8 QQ |
| 00:29.42 | Thunder_Child | interesting, 5 games of AV propelled me to rank 3 from nothing |
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| 00:40.29 | cogwheel | later, all |
| 00:40.39 | Thunder_Child | laters cog |
| 00:40.42 | Kirkburn | Oooooh, the wowwiki got linked in a Penny Arcade post :O |
| 00:41.09 | Kirkburn | Specifically, http://www.wowwiki.com/Crocolisk |
| 00:45.00 | Cairenn | cute |
| 00:45.05 | Cairenn | love the photos :) |
| 00:45.27 | Kaso | "Crawls low to the ground, more like a snake than a raptor." is it just me who thinks the referance to a raptor is completly random |
| 00:45.54 | zenzelezz | I would have to agree |
| 00:46.43 | Kirkburn | Cairenn, yeah =) |
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| 01:10.31 | Garoun|Loupana | my xbox360 just got much more enjoyable with the ability to watch movies now :) |
| 01:10.52 | Garoun|Loupana | got to see the illegal danish and crafting worlds flicks on my 32in hehe |
| 01:14.03 | Thunder_Child | illegal? |
| 01:14.35 | Thunder_Child | nopt allowed to watch danishes? |
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| 01:16.06 | zenzelezz | "Illegal Danish" is the name of some WoW movies (or movie creators) |
| 01:16.27 | Garoun|Loupana | :p thunder |
| 01:16.43 | Garoun|Loupana | yes, they are movies made by fans of WoW |
| 01:18.33 | Kirkburn | Danish people should be banned :P |
| 01:19.04 | Thunder_Child | weird people |
| 01:22.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Hmm |
| 01:22.24 | ScytheBlade1 | What does it take to get a character to show up on the forums so you can post as them? |
| 01:24.17 | ScytheBlade1 | I want to post as my level 1 <RegisterForSave> but can't ;P |
| 01:24.43 | Garoun|Loupana | here thunder, http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7382497743921358869&q=illegal+danish |
| 01:25.28 | azterix | Garoun: what are you using to watch movies on the xbox360? |
| 01:26.31 | Garoun|Loupana | WMP11 and the new update they released |
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| 01:34.23 | Thunder_Child | Garoun|Loupana, these people have WAY to much free time |
| 01:35.37 | Gryphen | it was an XFire contest |
| 01:36.10 | Garoun|Loupana | yeah, and the guy that made the Crafting Worlds movies works for Blizz now :x |
| 01:36.15 | Garoun|Loupana | or at least does some work for blizz |
| 01:36.51 | Thunder_Child | still |
| 01:36.56 | SP|Sorren | did escape from orgrimmar |
| 01:36.58 | SP|Sorren | ever come out? |
| 01:37.04 | Gryphen | not yet |
| 01:37.18 | SP|Sorren | aww |
| 01:39.27 | Gryphen | Thunder_Child http://www.xfire.com/cms/xf_wow_contest/ |
| 01:39.50 | Thunder_Child | ~shoot xfire |
| 01:39.52 | purl | ACTION shoots xfire in the foot with a phase pistol! |
| 01:39.59 | Thunder_Child | :) |
| 01:40.20 | Garoun|Loupana | late nov for escape I believe |
| 01:40.54 | SP|Sorren | why the hate for xfire? |
| 01:41.22 | SP|Sorren | i wonder if a plugin for trillian could be written so that you could use trillian the same way |
| 01:41.40 | Thunder_Child | hate for the contest |
| 01:41.53 | Gryphen | some posts on till site suggested they were going to work with xfire to do something, but its been forever |
| 01:41.59 | Gryphen | ive stopped using both since |
| 01:43.24 | Gryphen | trill* heh |
| 01:43.53 | Thunder_Child | well if i ever see another one of thoes it will be way to soon |
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| 02:26.35 | Cairenn | night clad|away |
| 02:26.49 | clad|away | Night.. not 100% headed away.. just getting in the right mindset |
| 02:26.51 | clad|away | =) |
| 02:26.52 | Tain | Happy Hollar-ween |
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| 02:33.15 | Guillotine | hmm. who was the author of ICU again? |
| 02:34.55 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5549-ICU.html |
| 02:35.37 | Guillotine | ya, but who's "astraycat"? I remember it was someone in here |
| 02:35.40 | Guillotine | and that wasn't their name |
| 02:37.39 | Cairenn | SP|Sorren |
| 02:38.01 | Guillotine | ty :D |
| 02:38.11 | Guillotine | you there SP|Sorren? |
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| 03:13.35 | Cairenn | Guillotine: might try pinging him again, given the time out and re-enter |
| 03:15.44 | SP|Sorren | what was this about icu? |
| 03:16.17 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:39.20 | Guillotine | I was going to say that ICU will still work out of combat |
| 03:40.02 | SP|Sorren | completely as is? |
| 03:40.14 | SP|Sorren | i thought addons coulnd't target, ever or something |
| 03:40.50 | SP|Sorren | that's good news at least |
| 03:43.53 | Guillotine | you can still target out of combat |
| 03:44.11 | SP|Sorren | ahh, that's good to know |
| 03:44.13 | dreft | you can cast spells out of combat |
| 03:44.19 | dreft | dont think you can target though? |
| 03:45.16 | Thunder_Child | so if you have a unit frame replacement mod like perl, then you cant target yourself in combat by slecting the unit frame representing you? |
| 03:45.19 | Cide | you can, dreft |
| 03:45.38 | Cide | Thunder_Child: yes, you still can |
| 03:45.44 | dreft | oh, right, was that a change? |
| 03:46.00 | Cide | that was changed, but you can't intelligently target in combat |
| 03:46.09 | dreft | right, makes sense then |
| 03:46.44 | Thunder_Child | Tem said: Tainted Code can __//**NEVER**//__ call the targetting functions |
| 03:47.11 | Tem | ICU can still work out of combat |
| 03:47.14 | dreft | actually according to the thread |
| 03:47.20 | dreft | * Spell casting and targetting (including focus) is allowed outside of combat when initiated interactively. In combat it requires use of the secure templates. |
| 03:47.27 | dreft | 'when initiated interactively' |
| 03:47.31 | Tem | that's actually a recent change |
| 03:47.33 | dreft | ICU needs to uninteractively target |
| 03:47.54 | SP|Sorren | well |
| 03:47.56 | SP|Sorren | you click once |
| 03:48.19 | Cide | Thunder_Child: you can't CALL the targetting functions |
| 03:48.29 | Cide | but you can get secure templates to call them for you |
| 03:49.28 | Thunder_Child | hmm |
| 03:51.21 | dreft | that doesnt help needing to target multiple players on a mouseover to get info on them though |
| 03:51.42 | dreft | unless you can just use the plain old targeting functions outside combat |
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| 03:51.56 | SP|Sorren | will clicking once only allow targetting once? |
| 03:52.16 | SP|Sorren | im assuming by interactive, it just means a hardware event to start? |
| 03:53.25 | dreft | hrm. well if you could use the targeting functions outside combat, but you needed a hardware event to start the 'chain', i guess you could populate the list that way |
| 03:53.40 | SP|Sorren | thats how it works now |
| 03:53.52 | SP|Sorren | i guess the mouseover feature is shot though |
| 03:54.09 | SP|Sorren | or does holding down control count? |
| 03:56.19 | zespri_work | will there be 1.13 before tbc? |
| 03:56.38 | Thunder_Child | not from what it sounds like |
| 03:56.39 | SP|Sorren | there'll be a bridge patch |
| 03:56.46 | SP|Sorren | but it wont be called 1.3 |
| 03:56.52 | SP|Sorren | er |
| 03:56.52 | SP|Sorren | 1.13 |
| 03:57.13 | zespri_work | ok thanks |
| 03:58.42 | Guillotine | lol. Server restart in 15:00 -- Better finish this instance in 15 mins -- Server restart in 5:00 -- that was a fast 10 minutes |
| 03:59.33 | Tem | why do you need to target them to get info if you've moused over the unit? |
| 03:59.40 | malreth | we were just about to pull Sartura once and got the 15 min warning |
| 03:59.42 | Tem | is the mouseover unit not good enough for you? |
| 03:59.51 | malreth | we were all... well... guess we should leave |
| 03:59.55 | SP|Sorren | its not mousing over the unit |
| 03:59.59 | SP|Sorren | its mousing over the unit's dot |
| 04:00.01 | SP|Sorren | on the minimap |
| 04:00.02 | malreth | in 10 seconds... we got a 60 second warning |
| 04:00.12 | Tem | oh |
| 04:00.14 | Guillotine | Cairenn: theres a link to a gold selling site in the screenshot for http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5552-SpamSentry.html |
| 04:00.34 | SP|Sorren | i wish the default ui would just give more info with the dot :P |
| 04:01.25 | Cairenn | Guillotine: yeah, but read what the mod is ... |
| 04:02.20 | Guillotine | I know, but shouldn't they still fuzz out the name? just my opinion. your choice of course |
| 04:02.58 | Cairenn | I've asked them to do so, but given the mod in question, I won't *insist* |
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| 05:37.17 | Corrodias | damn... tankpointsfu still makes me unable to access the "channels" dropdown of my chat tab context menus, not unlike issues i've had with perfectraid and squishy before |
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| 05:40.40 | Guillotine | gn, ttyl all :) |
| 05:41.07 | Guillotine | btw, for anybody with a feral druid in TBC. don't get feline swiftness. it slows you down instead of speeding you up half the time :( and I don't have enough money to respec out of it >< |
| 05:41.14 | Cairenn | night Guillotine |
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| 07:05.30 | Shadoed | yay for WoW locking up my computer |
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| 09:09.50 | Treysss | Anyone up to answering a dumb cosmos question? |
| 09:12.26 | |FF|Im2good4u | im! |
| 09:13.22 | Treysss | Is that 'I am"? |
| 09:13.34 | AnduinLothar | ? |
| 09:13.52 | |FF|Im2good4u | yes it is |
| 09:14.01 | Treysss | Sorry; been a long night. |
| 09:14.22 | Treysss | Recently installed cosmos with default mods. Like it, but have two problems. |
| 09:14.30 | |FF|Im2good4u | oke so that was the first dumb question how about the next one :P |
| 09:15.08 | Treysss | I can't drag any of my items any more. Can't rearrange in inv, can't put in mail, trade, or auction windows. |
| 09:15.23 | Treysss | Right clicking still works to sell and equip, but can't move 'em otherwise. |
| 09:15.38 | |FF|Im2good4u | hmm well then u got an addon that fooks its up |
| 09:16.39 | |FF|Im2good4u | witch addon... ? i dunno |
| 09:17.05 | |FF|Im2good4u | best u can do is disable them 1 by one and see when its fixed |
| 09:17.10 | Treysss | Okay. |
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| 09:18.02 | |FF|Im2good4u | im gonig home now |
| 09:18.44 | Treysss | Alright. thanks. |
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| 09:52.54 | Elessdy | "Groups will find rogues valuable, for not only do they deal massive damage, but they can open locked doors or chests, and disarm hidden traps as well." |
| 09:53.06 | Elessdy | do we... ever encounter traps, except in pvp? |
| 09:53.23 | axxo | bwl? ;x |
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| 09:54.51 | Elessdy | i've not been there. are there traps? |
| 09:57.55 | axxo | there are |
| 09:58.00 | axxo | and your top dps, you'll always be wanted |
| 09:58.05 | axxo | so don't start complaining |
| 09:59.01 | Elessdy | i take it you're referring to me in the context of a rogue, there. no worries, i wasn't starting to whine. i was just curious about this paragraph that i read on the blizzard site. i'd never heard of disarming traps before. |
| 09:59.41 | axxo | supression room is has traps |
| 09:59.56 | axxo | and the lines in blizzard are kinda not so correct anyway |
| 09:59.59 | axxo | like paladin & stuff |
| 10:00.26 | Thunder_Child | "Paladin is God", no that line is correct. |
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| 10:33.51 | Elessdy | WELL time to go to bed |
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| 11:20.49 | thr | is there anyway to access the /me command from within a lua script? |
| 11:20.54 | thr | so i can do a custom /me - event? |
| 11:21.22 | thr | ah |
| 11:21.23 | thr | forget it |
| 11:21.25 | thr | < silly |
| 11:21.29 | thr | SendChatMessage() |
| 11:27.27 | |FF|Im2good4u | well yeh but its an emote ofc |
| 11:27.35 | |FF|Im2good4u | nit a messsage |
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| 11:52.40 | Corrodias | guess what |
| 11:52.58 | Corrodias | actually, it's chicken butt |
| 11:53.08 | Corrodias | but in addition to that, i'll skip my class tomorrow to sleep all day. huzzah! |
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| 12:33.05 | Maldivia | anyone online on BC beta right now? |
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| 12:37.50 | JoshBork1 | geeze Mikk |
| 12:38.00 | JoshBork1 | early enough for you? |
| 12:40.32 | Maldivia | it's 1.40pm :) |
| 12:40.55 | JoshBork1 | still too early :P |
| 12:52.07 | |FF|Im2good4u | lol CTRA shuold be inlcuded in BC since every1 uses it anyway :P |
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| 12:53.57 | [Ammo] | you're quite mistaken :p |
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| 13:01.56 | Kirkburn | |FF|Im2good4u, you managed to say that whilst they were having a conversation about the opposite on #wowace :P |
| 13:02.23 | [Ammo] | not really the opposite |
| 13:02.33 | Kirkburn | Okay, "about it", then :P |
| 13:02.37 | [Ammo] | yeah :) |
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| 13:12.58 | Maldivia | Not everyone uses CTRA... |
| 13:13.05 | Maldivia | a lot of people use other raid uis |
| 13:14.21 | malreth | i don't use CTRA |
| 13:14.54 | Maldivia | me neither |
| 13:14.58 | Maldivia | I use RaidGroup |
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| 13:17.55 | Kirkburn | That's ... odd: For 60"Interesting note - the US beta testers received 10MB of patch while EU beta testers received 355MB." |
| 13:18.06 | Kirkburn | Go me. I pressed the wrong key :P |
| 13:18.19 | Maldivia | hehe |
| 13:18.19 | Kirkburn | That was a note regarding the beta 6046 to 6052 patch :) |
| 13:18.46 | Kirkburn | Is that true? Pretty weird if so ... |
| 13:18.54 | Maldivia | yep, the EU patcher didn't work, and people got the full patch to 6052 instead of the 6046-6052 patch |
| 13:19.08 | Kirkburn | Aah, I see |
| 13:19.18 | Maldivia | or fucked up some how |
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| 13:47.55 | JoshBorke | Mikk: wb |
| 13:59.05 | |FF|Im2good4u | isnt interent wonderfull |
| 13:59.15 | |FF|Im2good4u | u can send so many bites to someone in such a short time |
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| 14:14.22 | JoshBorke | Kevorkian: morning |
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| 14:18.37 | Kevorkian | heya josh, how ya been? |
| 14:19.37 | Kevorkian | you told me last time you'd got your KB addon working sorta. How well is the viral transfer method working? |
| 14:22.30 | JoshBorke | well, I had some pretty blatant bugs but I think i am close to being able to test it fully |
| 14:22.38 | JoshBorke | so i have no real answer yet :-) |
| 14:22.42 | Kevorkian | hah |
| 14:22.48 | JoshBorke | you get passed the design stage yet? ^_^ |
| 14:23.25 | Kevorkian | no not yet. I work in a real estate office, second half of the month it's difficult to do anything as I require my full attention to do my job |
| 14:23.45 | Kevorkian | thinking about working on it some today |
| 14:23.59 | Maldivia | Kevorkian: what's your excuse then? today is the 1st :) |
| 14:24.02 | Kevorkian | although it truly sucks not having a development environment |
| 14:24.11 | Kevorkian | at work |
| 14:24.40 | Kevorkian | maldivia: :) I'm just going to see if Josh has any keen insights on what stupid things to avoid :) |
| 14:24.48 | Maldivia | hehe |
| 14:25.06 | JoshBorke | i told you! i write by the seat of my pants |
| 14:25.23 | Kevorkian | your kinky typing style makes no difference to me |
| 14:25.37 | JoshBorke | the only thing i can say is: don't forget to include the key for your data when sending stuff around... |
| 14:26.06 | Kevorkian | ooh ya, that would make things difficult. How are you triggering sends? is it push or pull? |
| 14:27.02 | JoshBorke | so, 2 entities: the player and the guild. the player starts a conversation with a simple login statement. everyone responds with their current time (for psuedo time sync'ing) |
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| 14:28.04 | JoshBorke | the player then sends a syncStart command. each person in the guild (that is in sync) will que a response. the response que is processed 0.1 times per second and only one response is processed at a time |
| 14:28.21 | zoktar | alphamap or metamap for fps/mem ? |
| 14:28.23 | JoshBorke | if a response is made to someone, it is removed from the que to stop duplication |
| 14:28.42 | JoshBorke | the player has a similar que from there |
| 14:28.43 | Kevorkian | ah so you're doing the queue system too |
| 14:29.16 | JoshBorke | i got the idea from a paper i read online |
| 14:29.29 | JoshBorke | basically those who can afford to respond first will |
| 14:29.56 | Kevorkian | do you have delete capability? |
| 14:30.20 | Kevorkian | or at least, are you planning on being able to delete |
| 14:30.41 | JoshBorke | yea |
| 14:30.53 | JoshBorke | the node that is deleted will have a delete timestamp |
| 14:31.12 | JoshBorke | any children nodes will be removed completely |
| 14:31.55 | JoshBorke | i was pointed to an Ace library to do encryption |
| 14:31.56 | Kevorkian | smart man. that occurred to us last design session we had (about 2 weeks back) that if you don't keep the deleted info in some respect then how will you know not to readd it next time somebody syncs |
| 14:32.18 | JoshBorke | so 'private' data can be encrypted and stored by everyone |
| 14:32.22 | JoshBorke | thanks :-D |
| 14:33.13 | JoshBorke | my only worry is that player A makes a change, syncs to B, A logs off. B deletes. B logs off. A logs in and makes a change. B logs in. who wins? |
| 14:33.35 | Kevorkian | interesting. We're thinking of doing something like that for the custom quest events. store all the quest info in the event data but only unlock them by having a quest giver send a decrypt message |
| 14:33.49 | JoshBorke | want a link to the library? |
| 14:34.03 | Kevorkian | nah not even gonna worry about that yet |
| 14:34.15 | Kevorkian | we haven't fully defined the custom quest data yet |
| 14:34.25 | Kevorkian | since that's like for the 5th version, if we ever get that far |
| 14:34.36 | JoshBorke | don't you need to get the first version? :-P |
| 14:34.40 | Kevorkian | exactly |
| 14:35.13 | Kevorkian | but the nice thing is. since we've designed it in, all our data structures are ready for that data when it is define |
| 14:35.21 | JoshBorke | yep yep |
| 14:36.38 | JoshBorke | i'm still redefining my data structure |
| 14:36.51 | JoshBorke | but all of the things are easy to add and remove... |
| 14:37.26 | krka | what kind of thing are you doing that needs encryption? |
| 14:37.44 | JoshBorke | syncronized in game data-store/wiki |
| 14:38.00 | krka | why encryption? |
| 14:38.21 | Kevorkian | how else will you get folks to store stuff for you without being able to know what it says |
| 14:38.24 | JoshBorke | in case officers or anyone wants to keep stuff that they don't want the rest of the guild to see |
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| 14:40.21 | Kevorkian | Josh: just curious, what methods are you using to do your messaging and timeouts? Telepathy/chronos? |
| 14:41.14 | JoshBorke | AceComm |
| 14:41.30 | JoshBorke | i'm letting it handle that stuff |
| 14:41.41 | JoshBorke | dunno if ckknight has implemented timeout stuff yet |
| 14:41.58 | Kevorkian | how you doing your .1 second queue processing? |
| 14:42.06 | JoshBorke | Metrognome |
| 14:42.28 | JoshBorke | another ace mod... |
| 14:42.28 | Kevorkian | do you scale it back any based on performance? |
| 14:43.00 | JoshBorke | no |
| 14:43.52 | JoshBorke | i'm probably going to make it sync only while not in combat |
| 14:44.09 | Kevorkian | since I'm not doing realtime I'm thinking of scaling it back for raids/instances. Toying with the idea of keeping a running "average framerate" and when FR drops I'll scale back for a time |
| 14:44.16 | Kevorkian | not a bad idea |
| 14:45.16 | Maldivia | frame:RegisterAllEvents() and then gauge events/second |
| 14:45.58 | Kevorkian | Maldivia: I could do that, but high end systems can take a lot of events |
| 14:46.07 | Kevorkian | and low end systems not as much |
| 14:46.16 | JoshBorke | my feeling is those with high-end systems will be the ones responding first |
| 14:46.42 | Kevorkian | one of the biggest barriers we have to folks adopting GEM is that many of them have low end systems that can't take the spam. I'd like to make something that scales nicely |
| 14:47.30 | Kevorkian | not that we'll be spamming like GEM, but the efficiency is always a good thing |
| 14:49.04 | Maldivia | well, the events/sec gauge could help locate periods when in raids, where would be a good idea to scale down |
| 14:49.28 | krka | how are you doing PKI JoshBorke? |
| 14:50.06 | krka | you only allow key transfers when both are online, as a whisper? |
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| 14:51.17 | Kevorkian | maldivia: perhaps. Given that this is just a calendar type app at the moment, I'd rather just auto scale for raids. I reckon even a low end system could stand it if I did 1 queue processing per 2 seconds. |
| 14:52.34 | Maldivia | could also do auto scaling, depending on combat-status |
| 14:53.34 | JoshBorke | krka: the keys will be shared out of band by the users |
| 14:53.45 | krka | out of band? what does that mean? |
| 14:53.55 | JoshBorke | krka: GuildBook will store the key with encrypted portion |
| 14:54.05 | JoshBorke | krka: not through GuildBook in anyway |
| 14:54.30 | Maldivia | krka: like: [over vent] People, the new password is: xxxx .... ups, wrong channel |
| 14:54.31 | krka | hm |
| 14:54.41 | Kevorkian | maldivia: actually I like josh's idea of suspending sync when in combat |
| 14:55.31 | JoshBorke | Kevorkian: an entire guild shouldn't be in combat all the time :-D |
| 14:56.28 | Kevorkian | josh: I don't have to worry about the guild, just the player in question. things will still get added to the processing queue while in combat, no helping that, but the player won't actively try to sync until out of combat |
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| 14:59.08 | JoshBorke | what if the player isn't in combat but everyone else is? |
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| 15:00.53 | Kevorkian | if they send out any updates they will get queued by the respective players but not actively processed until those individual players drop from combat |
| 15:01.20 | Kevorkian | I don't have a "guild" concept for my sync like you do |
| 15:01.27 | Kevorkian | just a bunch of nodes |
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| 15:01.54 | Kevorkian | and every node fends for itself as best it can |
| 15:05.11 | Kevorkian | see if you don't process your pending queue then you won't be sending out messages about syncing. so suspending sync while in combat won't significantly impact how many messages you receive but it will throttle your output, which would in turn potentially generate more sync messages. Sort of indirect restraint, plus you save whatever overhead actually syncing produces. |
| 15:08.05 | JoshBorke | well, i just represent the guild as being the synchronized repository |
| 15:09.35 | Kevorkian | I thought about trying to do that sort of syncronized repository but I decided that I was too lazy to try to sync up the whole guild. I'm more inclined to let things bounce around until everybody is happy and synced |
| 15:10.20 | JoshBorke | it makes more sense for me since i have one big table that has to be stepped through where-as you just have nodes that need to be sync'd |
| 15:10.30 | Kevorkian | aye, agreed |
| 15:11.25 | JoshBorke | krka: in regards to the encryption. i don't think it will be heavily used ( i hope ) but will be included more for the completeness |
| 15:13.16 | Kevorkian | you can use it to store stuff like "Chiefdizzle is a total moron, if you're going to use him, at least get him to pull so that he can die early in the fight and not mess things up" |
| 15:13.37 | JoshBorke | lol. exactly |
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| 16:11.55 | cogwheel | Why do they let you log into the game but not the forums on the day they bill your account? |
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| 16:23.54 | Maldivia | cogwheel: yeah, their forum control should just add 1-2 days of posting rights to the payment day, that way we woulnd't have limbo days :| |
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| 17:05.33 | sylvanaar | JoshBorke: what are you working on? Im wondering if it overlaps with this concept mod i just coded |
| 17:07.38 | sylvanaar | or should i ask the topic in general |
| 17:13.00 | JoshBorke | in what regards? |
| 17:14.12 | JoshBorke | sylvanaar: i'm writing a mod called GuildBook |
| 17:14.25 | JoshBorke | sylvanaar: and we were talking about how to do synchronizing |
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| 17:24.30 | JoshBorke | quick! call the pound! |
| 17:26.33 | a-stray-cat | shhhhh |
| 17:26.35 | a-stray-cat | im hiding. |
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| 17:31.48 | sylvanaar | JoshBorke: I was writing a modular addon that you can put 'sync only' functionality into, so you can get clients to sync without having the full addon installed |
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| 17:33.56 | JoshBorke | hm. what data structures are you trying to sync? |
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| 17:36.20 | sylvanaar | JoshBorke: its kind of a proxy for the AddonMessage and you add a module for each addon, so its data neutral |
| 17:39.26 | sylvanaar | JoshBorke: in your addon, do all the clients need the full UI, or could some just run the sync portion? |
| 17:39.27 | JoshBorke | hm, it's on ace svn, right? |
| 17:39.49 | JoshBorke | the gui can be ripped from it and it'll still work |
| 17:40.22 | JoshBorke | i'm almost positive |
| 17:41.24 | sylvanaar | yeah, basically, you could put the non-gui bit into this addon - no benefit for you exactly, but the concept is that modules for other addons are made as well |
| 17:41.52 | JoshBorke | where is it on wowace svn? |
| 17:42.12 | sylvanaar | branches/Interview/dev |
| 17:44.45 | JoshBorke | hm |
| 17:46.50 | sylvanaar | i just wrote it this am as a proof of concept |
| 17:49.08 | JoshBorke | i'm trying to think of how it would be really useful |
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| 17:51.42 | malreth | ah, nothing like hot soup on a cold day |
| 17:52.00 | sylvanaar | JoshBorke: yeah - thats the response i have been getting...the useful part is that you can install 1 mod, and enable all the mods for which modules have been written |
| 17:54.37 | sylvanaar | JoshBorke: lets your mod get its data without making the user install your mod /shrug |
| 17:54.56 | JoshBorke | i just don't see why anyone would want to download it |
| 17:55.30 | JoshBorke | because (as a user), why should i install something that does me no good and just eats my resources |
| 17:56.01 | malreth | sounds like my fiancee |
| 17:56.08 | sylvanaar | JoshBorke: it doesnt provide any functionality to the person who installed it. its say to be given to everyone in the guild, so people can run the front ends or not run them |
| 17:56.11 | malreth | "quit eatin mah food!!!" |
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| 18:08.09 | malreth | HAHAHAAH!!! |
| 18:08.13 | malreth | Cogwheel |
| 18:08.15 | malreth | you here |
| 18:08.22 | cogwheel | yeth... |
| 18:08.24 | malreth | come on, old bean... |
| 18:08.30 | malreth | check this thread out |
| 18:08.35 | malreth | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=35885100&pageNo=14&sid=1#261 |
| 18:08.39 | cogwheel | account is in its billing cycle... can't post :( |
| 18:08.42 | malreth | scroll down, reading the posts |
| 18:08.46 | malreth | just read |
| 18:08.48 | malreth | no posting needed |
| 18:08.57 | malreth | keep reading until someone sounds familiar |
| 18:09.05 | cogwheel | uh oh... |
| 18:09.06 | cogwheel | :) |
| 18:09.10 | malreth | hahahhaaha!! |
| 18:10.03 | malreth | he must HATE playing this game |
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| 18:13.04 | Kevorkian | Josh: actually it's not a bad idea for a data store, although I like the viral syncronization better. |
| 18:13.18 | Kevorkian | as an active component |
| 18:15.39 | malreth | i guess he'll have to play his hunter since a rogue is too much for him |
| 18:21.14 | zenzelezz | looks like Kel's finally dead on my server too |
| 18:22.13 | malreth | hmm.. |
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| 18:41.58 | JoshBorke | ok back! |
| 18:46.02 | malreth | ooh... my first publicly mentioned ignore on the wow forums! |
| 18:46.19 | malreth | whee!! |
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| 19:48.27 | ckknight | hey all |
| 19:48.36 | Cairenn | hi ckknight |
| 19:48.50 | malreth | Cairenn-dono... Good day. |
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| 20:27.38 | malreth | JoshBorke |
| 20:27.54 | JoshBorke | malreth: |
| 20:29.29 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 20:29.49 | malreth | :D |
| 20:30.19 | JoshBorke | did i miss something? |
| 20:30.30 | malreth | the forums have been getting a lot of good questions today |
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| 20:32.50 | JoshBorke | i'm stupidly confused now |
| 20:33.13 | SP|Sorren | buppo really seems to dislike rdx. |
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| 20:34.24 | malreth | Tauruse can't post because his account expired |
| 20:35.29 | JoshBorke | malreth: why did you say my name? |
| 20:35.37 | malreth | huh? |
| 20:35.43 | malreth | Did I? |
| 20:35.46 | JoshBorke | 15:27 < malreth:#wowi-lounge> JoshBorke |
| 20:36.59 | Kevorkian | i saw it too |
| 20:37.10 | malreth | oh... |
| 20:37.14 | malreth | nothing. |
| 20:37.18 | JoshBorke | ... |
| 20:37.26 | malreth | but i really had you going for a while. |
| 20:37.32 | malreth | 10 minutes now |
| 20:37.37 | JoshBorke | ~whaleslap malreth |
| 20:37.39 | purl | ACTION beats malreth upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 20:37.47 | malreth | bwah ha ha ha!!! |
| 20:37.51 | SP|Sorren | poor Hugh :< |
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| 21:03.28 | cogwheel | malreth: he's back... |
| 21:03.41 | malreth | but... his account expired! |
| 21:04.50 | Cairenn | WOOOOOOHOOOOOO!!!!!! |
| 21:04.54 | Cairenn | and we are LIVE! |
| 21:04.56 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=32741#post32741 |
| 21:05.56 | malreth | Cairenn-dono is lively today. |
| 21:05.57 | Shadowed | Cairenn |
| 21:06.00 | Shadowed | <3 |
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| 21:06.23 | Xuerian | Makes me wish I had space to install the client and time to downlod it :p |
| 21:06.36 | Shadowed | Cairenn do we need to use the account we signed up WoW with? |
| 21:07.03 | Cairenn | click |
| 21:07.06 | Cairenn | :p |
| 21:07.28 | Shadowed | i just say TBC beta key and stopped reading |
| 21:07.29 | Shadowed | :p |
| 21:08.03 | Shadowed | er saw |
| 21:08.08 | JoshBorke | Cairenn: hola |
| 21:08.41 | Shadowed | Please note: We will be keeping track of the keys given out and any that are received via this application that show up on eBay will result in an instant and irrevocable ban from the site. |
| 21:08.42 | Shadowed | nice :p |
| 21:09.29 | Shadowed | How can you check if it shows up on eBay anyway? |
| 21:10.06 | JoshBorke | Cairenn: do we have to give the same address that is on our blizzard account? |
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| 21:10.14 | Cairenn | no |
| 21:10.22 | Cairenn | give an address that you will check |
| 21:10.33 | JoshBorke | lol. I want beta access |
| 21:10.38 | Thunder_Child | lol, hopefully you would check your blizz adress |
| 21:10.52 | Shadowed | see, nobody reads what you post cair. they just see "OMG TBCKEYLOLZ" and we try to send it in as fast as possible! |
| 21:11.08 | malreth | that's what I did... what was the button for, BTW? |
| 21:11.21 | malreth | it was big and red, so I clicked |
| 21:11.34 | JoshBorke | typo :-X tripple |
| 21:12.11 | Shadowed | you can play live account and TBC one at the same time, right? |
| 21:12.29 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 21:12.36 | Thunder_Child | and ptr when it goes live |
| 21:12.41 | malreth | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=42775286&pageNo=1&sid=1#17 |
| 21:12.53 | malreth | "I researched a bit and learned that lua isnt a Blizzard thing." |
| 21:13.11 | axxo | lol |
| 21:13.13 | malreth | purl, lua |
| 21:13.15 | purl | [lua] a powerful light-weight programming language designed for extending applications. It is often used as a configuration language. See http://www.lua.org/. |
| 21:14.01 | Thunder_Child | "also for causing sleepless nights creating mods" |
| 21:14.21 | Shadowed | haha |
| 21:14.30 | Shadowed | the hell |
| 21:14.38 | malreth | must... fight... urge... to flame... |
| 21:14.40 | Shadowed | YourNewEmailAccount@winningisonlyhalfthebattleoftime.com thats a creative spam email |
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| 21:19.07 | JoshBorke | purl, kiss Cairenn |
| 21:19.08 | purl | ACTION forces Cairenn to give Mikma a big kiss on the neck |
| 21:19.16 | JoshBorke | o.O |
| 21:19.30 | Mikma | ooh lala |
| 21:19.39 | Mikma | it must be a $RANDNICK or so |
| 21:19.55 | Mikma | ~literal kiss |
| 21:19.57 | purl | "kiss" is "<action>*smooch*" |
| 21:20.10 | Mikma | k |
| 21:20.14 | Shadowed | somebody ninja changed it back! |
| 21:20.28 | JoshBorke | ~kiss Cairenn |
| 21:20.30 | purl | ACTION forces Cairenn to give snurre a big kiss on the ear |
| 21:20.36 | Xuerian | ~literal kiss name |
| 21:20.40 | purl | ACTION forces name to give dukeku a big kiss on the lips |
| 21:20.40 | JoshBorke | literal kiss |
| 21:20.44 | Xuerian | >.< |
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| 21:20.52 | malreth | hahaah! |
| 21:25.38 | Cairenn | okay, need a favour from someone from the EU community, please? |
| 21:27.13 | Cairenn | anyone? anyone? |
| 21:27.51 | Cide | what do you need? I have an account there |
| 21:28.18 | Cairenn | need a post on the EU live & beta UI forums |
| 21:28.28 | Cairenn | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=42775343&postId=425918592&sid=1#0 |
| 21:28.33 | Cide | I can do the EU live if you want |
| 21:28.35 | Cairenn | just copy that, please? |
| 21:31.17 | `-FISKER_Q | i can do EU beta :D |
| 21:31.20 | Kirkburn | Yay for WoWI! |
| 21:31.22 | `-FISKER_Q | banned from EU live :/ |
| 21:31.30 | Shadowed | how'd you manage that |
| 21:31.35 | Shadowed | what are the beta US forums by the way? |
| 21:31.36 | `-FISKER_Q | Ascii |
| 21:31.39 | Shadowed | s/what/where/ |
| 21:32.04 | Cide | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=78588035&postId=785309790&sid=1#0 |
| 21:32.08 | `-FISKER_Q | beta.worldofwarcraft.com |
| 21:32.09 | Cide | @ Cairenn |
| 21:32.17 | Shadowed | thanks |
| 21:32.37 | Cairenn | Cide: could you change the title please? per the other channel |
| 21:33.16 | Cide | that better? |
| 21:33.35 | Cide | or do you want me to append the previous title in some way? |
| 21:33.40 | Cairenn | thanks cide |
| 21:33.43 | Cairenn | nope, that's fine |
| 21:33.50 | Cide | you're welcome (as always!) |
| 21:34.01 | Cairenn | :) |
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| 21:35.11 | SB1-Work | Well now I feel stupid for never uploading my minimap mod :P |
| 21:35.12 | `-FISKER_Q | http://beta.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=1101905&postId=10915452&sid=2#0 |
| 21:35.14 | `-FISKER_Q | beta one |
| 21:35.51 | Shadowed | cair trying to one up worldofwar? :p |
| 21:36.08 | Cairenn | no, trying to get authors in so they are ready to go for 2.0 |
| 21:36.36 | `-FISKER_Q | though you could argue that authors will have 2+ weeks with WoW :) |
| 21:38.00 | SB1-Work | Cairenn, just a question: If I have a mod that I wrote (and never published), and uploaded it now, would that qualify me? ;P |
| 21:38.17 | SB1-Work | If not, you might want to add a line stating that... because you're going to get a FLOOD of similar people in a very short period of time. |
| 21:38.18 | `-FISKER_Q | btw, any of you know why you can specify an email on the forum settings? |
| 21:38.25 | Cairenn | SB1-Work: yes, it will |
| 21:38.41 | SB1-Work | Cairenn, seriously? |
| 21:38.46 | SB1-Work | I just might, I don't know |
| 21:38.49 | SB1-Work | Make love to you? |
| 21:39.01 | malreth | hey hey! |
| 21:39.03 | Cide | uh oh |
| 21:39.03 | `-FISKER_Q | hmm |
| 21:39.05 | malreth | she gets enough of that from us |
| 21:39.05 | Cairenn | if it is a legitimate mod, it'll get approved and you'll be eligable |
| 21:39.14 | `-FISKER_Q | i'd come sneaking from behind and do a threesome then |
| 21:39.25 | SB1-Work | It's a minimap mod. Makes it square, but also adds a minimize feature. |
| 21:39.35 | Shadowed | isn't there a bunch of mods that do that though |
| 21:39.43 | malreth | Cairenn-dono... I'll protect your maidenhood |
| 21:39.51 | SB1-Work | Click on the zone text, and magically the map itself disappears, but leaves the zone text there |
| 21:40.06 | `-FISKER_Q | funny stuff (the original UI does that too :P) |
| 21:40.23 | SB1-Work | Well crap, time to upload from work |
| 21:40.52 | `-FISKER_Q | the sword was mightier than the pen0r |
| 21:41.55 | Shadowed | ~sigh Men |
| 21:41.57 | purl | ACTION sighs, rolls its eyes and shakes its head, "Men!" |
| 21:42.23 | Thunder_Child | nothing wrong with men |
| 21:42.26 | `-FISKER_Q | better get some sleep |
| 21:42.31 | Thunder_Child | most of the time |
| 21:42.53 | `-FISKER_Q | that's not tea! |
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| 21:46.42 | ckknight | hey all |
| 21:46.46 | malreth | heya! |
| 21:46.50 | bljakk | got a silly question: if i have lets sa a frame with 3 child frames, each of 3 childframes having points TOPLEFT relativ to previous BOTTOMLEFT |
| 21:46.57 | bljakk | now, if i add a child to middle frame |
| 21:47.09 | bljakk | and resize middle frame with SetHEight |
| 21:47.17 | bljakk | when is this info going to be updated? |
| 21:47.26 | JoshBorke | when you do it |
| 21:47.37 | bljakk | what am i expecting to be done is the third frame will go down |
| 21:47.46 | bljakk | meaning, getbottom will get me right info |
| 21:47.49 | bljakk | but, it wont |
| 21:48.43 | Iriel | Why did you add a child to the middle frame? |
| 21:48.44 | bljakk | so, actual question is, does wow engine process commands in time, or doing it in a batch? |
| 21:49.01 | bljakk | because i needed it :) |
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| 21:49.13 | bljakk | imagine it this way, i am making "windows explorer" |
| 21:49.43 | cogwheel | basically they're just stacked on top of each other. If the middle one gets biger or smaller vertically, the bottom one *should* move downward |
| 21:49.45 | bljakk | so, the child suddenly received its own child |
| 21:50.02 | bljakk | @cog; thats what i've thought |
| 21:50.11 | bljakk | but i was badly wrong |
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| 21:50.26 | Iriel | But the size of children has nothing to do with the size of their parent |
| 21:50.30 | cogwheel | s/downward/downward or upward/ |
| 21:50.35 | bljakk | i am resizing the parent |
| 21:51.04 | bljakk | basically, when i add child to child, i am doing like SetHeight=GetHeight + child:GetHright |
| 21:51.12 | bljakk | so it does have this info |
| 21:51.18 | bljakk | well, let me put it this way |
| 21:51.30 | cogwheel | bljakk: anchor the bottom of the bottom child to the bottom of the parent. Anchor the top of the top child to the top of the parent. Anchor the top of the middle child to the bottom of the top child and the bottom of the middle frame to the top of the bottom frame... |
| 21:51.38 | bljakk | it *DOES* resize it, and i *DO* have right information |
| 21:51.56 | bljakk | but, AFTER my whole crap has been done, and original calling function has been executed to the end |
| 21:52.03 | Iriel | It's possible you have to wait until the next OnUpdate before the coordinates update, but I thought that GetBottom reflected that immediately. |
| 21:52.13 | bljakk | ahhh |
| 21:52.21 | bljakk | OnUpdate, now we're talking |
| 21:52.39 | Iriel | Where 'immediately' may mean 'as soon as you ask for it' |
| 21:53.12 | Iriel | Do be careful with GetHeight and SetHeight by the way, in pre WoW 2.0 |
| 21:53.18 | bljakk | well, as i said, i hoped for it, so i wanted to have something expanded, and the info would be populated, based on when poeple go afk |
| 21:53.53 | bljakk | this aint gonna be released before 2.0 |
| 21:54.20 | bljakk | and one more question, now that youre not away, can afk event be properly queried with 2.0? |
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| 21:54.38 | bljakk | except hooking on system event and getting afk message |
| 21:55.04 | Iriel | you can register for any event you want to |
| 21:55.27 | bljakk | well, atm you can only register player_flags_changed |
| 21:55.32 | bljakk | which also changes on dnd |
| 21:55.40 | bljakk | and you dunno what really happened |
| 21:56.33 | bljakk | i also was unable to find a way to quey myself, if i am already afk |
| 21:56.37 | bljakk | +r |
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| 22:01.13 | Shadowed | Iriel: do you happen to have any idea why a frame wouldn't want to move, even though checking GetPoint's it's position has changed? |
| 22:01.18 | Shadowed | on live |
| 22:01.31 | Iriel | Does it have multiple points? |
| 22:02.18 | Iriel | Is it moving during runtime or being positioned at load time? |
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| 22:02.33 | bljakk | movable="true"? :) |
| 22:02.38 | Shadowed | I'm creating/showing the frame, then just calling SetPoint manually through command line |
| 22:03.06 | Shadowed | tried different options/locations, it's not being repositioned through OnUpdate and tried ClearAllPoints(), can't seem to get it to work :/ |
| 22:04.34 | Shadowed | It worked before, never changed the XML....then it just stopped working and decided to not reposition. Think it's something to do with CreateFrame that i'm doing wrong |
| 22:05.08 | Iriel | My guess is you're moving the frame but not the visible parts of it, or somethng like that |
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| 22:06.31 | Iriel | You may find /dump frame:GetBottom() and /dump frame:GetLeft() helpful |
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| 22:07.37 | Shadowed | oh i know |
| 22:07.44 | bljakk | Ah yes, so there is no way for me to check if i am already AFK flagged, without registering CHAT_MSG_SYSTEM and checking afk message? |
| 22:08.35 | Kaso | well cor blimey, arent i pissed ive never uploaded any of my addons to wowi :< |
| 22:09.06 | zenzelezz | Cairenn said only a short while ago you can still upload it now and be eligible |
| 22:09.18 | Kaso | oh really? sweet |
| 22:09.20 | End-afk | just how many keys does wowi have? |
| 22:09.41 | Iriel | bljakk, Not that I know of. |
| 22:10.15 | bljakk | Iriel; I see, thats also no problem, but do you see any way getting this in 2.0 at some point, it would really be helpful for some things |
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| 22:10.33 | Iriel | I dont believe anyone's ever made a compelling argument for including it. |
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| 22:11.08 | bljakk | For like, registering PLAYER_FLAG_CHANGED and then calling like "GetPlayerFlag()" which could give back AFK or DND |
| 22:11.29 | End | hehehe |
| 22:11.31 | End | "You have received this email because you have/had mods available for download on wowinterface.com. We don.t normally email our authors but we figured this would be something all would want to know about." |
| 22:11.37 | Shadowed | hey iriel |
| 22:11.39 | Shadowed | you know what would help |
| 22:11.42 | Shadowed | if i set the parent :p |
| 22:11.43 | End | I think I would want to know about that :P |
| 22:11.44 | Iriel | But why does an AddOn need to know? |
| 22:12.28 | bljakk | Iriel: Writing some mod about AFK times during the raid, and giving DKP based on that, i am interessted if player which joins raid, is already afk marked |
| 22:12.51 | Iriel | Doesn't the raid interface already allow you to query AFK status? |
| 22:12.52 | bljakk | because, as you know, you dont have to have "auto clear afk" |
| 22:13.01 | bljakk | How? |
| 22:13.07 | bljakk | I was looking for that like mad |
| 22:13.13 | Iriel | Or am I thinking of Guild? |
| 22:13.22 | bljakk | Guild has |
| 22:13.28 | End | guild definitely does |
| 22:13.55 | bljakk | Now you see my point also |
| 22:13.57 | End | as for afk status, I know ctraid checks afkishness on its own, but it isn't the afk flag |
| 22:14.04 | bljakk | No |
| 22:14.11 | Iriel | Well, i'd say you should write up a friendly feature request post on the UI forum, explaining what you have to do now, how unreliable it is, and what you want to do with it. |
| 22:14.14 | bljakk | They register system msg and check afk text |
| 22:14.34 | bljakk | I can not write this request, well i could in EU forum, but Aeus doesnt like me :( |
| 22:14.35 | Iriel | Though since you want to do it for more than player you may find that it's a much larger task than could easily be done |
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| 22:15.02 | wereHamster | a big 'thanks' to the wowi team :) |
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| 22:19.00 | cladhaire | approving addons is the only thing keeping me from going insane waiting for my freaking laptop to ship. |
| 22:19.10 | cladhaire | and then i get a phone call today saying i can go to the mall and buy one. |
| 22:19.27 | cladhaire | but i can't cancel the one i'm alreadying ordering, and the one from the mall wouldn't have the upgraded hard drive |
| 22:22.44 | Iriel | Get a second one for 'spares' ? |
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| 22:25.40 | cladhaire | Hehe I would if I had that sort of cash, but they're spensive!!! |
| 22:28.12 | cogwheel | Since Cairenn|afk seems to be away atm & I can't post due to my billing cycle, could someone please say "yes" to this post? http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=42775343&sid=1#8 |
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| 22:31.11 | cladhaire | cogwheel: Done |
| 22:33.04 | cogwheel | Argh... |
| 22:33.10 | cogwheel | I keep clicking "Reply" |
| 22:33.16 | cogwheel | I should just stop reading the forum today |
| 22:33.54 | Elkano | wrt wowi tbc keys, which email-address should be used? the one used on wowi? or doesn't it matter? |
| 22:33.58 | Thunder_Child | or pay your bill |
| 22:34.02 | cladhaire | it doesn't matter |
| 22:34.10 | cogwheel | The best one to get you |
| 22:34.46 | cogwheel | Thunder_Child: it's on a recurring payment. They disable forum access on the billing date |
| 22:34.54 | Thunder_Child | odd |
| 22:35.03 | Thunder_Child | yet you can stil play... |
| 22:35.27 | Thunder_Child | s/il/ill/ |
| 22:35.27 | cogwheel | yep. they have fudge room for game access but not for the forums |
| 22:35.30 | Thunder_Child | ~slap Blizzard |
| 22:35.32 | purl | ACTION slaps Blizzard, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 22:36.11 | Corrodias | playing the game a little more WITHOUT being able to read the flamefests might have a small chance of convincing people to resubscribe |
| 22:36.28 | Corrodias | well, *get involved in |
| 22:36.45 | SB1-Work | cogwheel, if you have firefox, install adblock and remove the "reply" and "quote" button. |
| 22:36.55 | cogwheel | :) |
| 22:37.10 | cogwheel | Corrodias: it doesn't actually tell you what's wrong... it just says "login error" |
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| 23:02.59 | cladhaire | Hehe.. it won't be instant. |
| 23:03.23 | Shadowed | oh i know, but i'm bored waiting for raid to be ready |
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| 23:03.44 | Shadowed | can either do mod work, or check every hour. and i'm slacking tonight :p |
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| 23:05.04 | Matthew_I | what additional things (api-wise) do signed interface addons provide over non signed ones |
| 23:05.26 | Matthew_I | more specifically do they provide anysort of file I/O |
| 23:05.53 | cogwheel | No |
| 23:06.24 | cogwheel | They are able to control movement and after 2.0 they'll be able to do certain things in combat that addons cant |
| 23:06.24 | Matthew_I | what sort of things do they provide? |
| 23:06.47 | cogwheel | It really doesn't matter, because the only signed addons are written by blizzard |
| 23:07.03 | cogwheel | and most are built into the game (the only exception I know of being MovePad) |
| 23:07.07 | Matthew_I | so blizzard won't sign your addon? |
| 23:07.22 | Matthew_I | even if you pay them a hefty sum? |
| 23:07.35 | cogwheel | Addons are totally unsupported by blizzard beyond the fact that they provide the interface for them to function |
| 23:08.48 | Matthew_I | if it gave me access to bilzzard's api and they included what I needed then I would |
| 23:09.57 | cogwheel | that doesn't really make any sense... They're not going to let you write some arbitrary addon with all the API functionality currently denied to addons. They're also not going to take time out of their schedule just to make sure yours isn't doing anything they don't want. |
| 23:10.41 | cogwheel | You'd be better served by suggesting new functionality in the suggestions forum (or possibly in the UI & Macros forum if it's *directly* related to the UI) |
| 23:11.16 | cladhaire | well put =) |
| 23:14.56 | Corrodias | that's true |
| 23:15.48 | Matthew_I | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:16.26 | Matthew_I | it is not a ui thing, I am trying to communicate in semi-realtime with an external app |
| 23:17.00 | Cide | that's discouraged by design |
| 23:17.02 | cladhaire | well don't. |
| 23:17.05 | cladhaire | how about that! |
| 23:17.06 | cladhaire | =) |
| 23:17.16 | Matthew_I | yes I am very discouraged... |
| 23:17.24 | Matthew_I | because of this design |
| 23:17.36 | Cide | good, then they have succeeded :) |
| 23:17.45 | Shadowed | Live IO is typically unneeded and causes more issues then it helps anywy |
| 23:17.53 | Matthew_I | I have one more trick up my sleeve to attempt to do this |
| 23:17.57 | cladhaire | THey have been VERY clear over teh course of two years. |
| 23:18.03 | cogwheel | I believe there are even terms of use clauses that could be interpreted to prohibit that kind of thing |
| 23:18.09 | cladhaire | What are you attempting.. let us know and we'll give you hope, or crush your spirit. |
| 23:18.10 | Shadowed | As far as I know, theres no way you can interact with the game live, and any attempt to do so is against the TOS |
| 23:18.21 | Shadowed | or EULA, whatever the legal document is! |
| 23:18.42 | Matthew_I | I want to try taking a screen shot and encoding data in it |
| 23:18.45 | Cide | there are ways, but not ways that aren't against the terms ;) |
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| 23:18.55 | cladhaire | That's easy |
| 23:18.57 | cladhaire | make a barcode. |
| 23:19.02 | cladhaire | using textures |
| 23:19.21 | Cairenn | hey guys |
| 23:19.23 | cogwheel | Matthew_I: taking a screenshot involves a rather significant pause which would interrupt gameplay |
| 23:19.28 | Cairenn | sorry, I'm just positively swamped now |
| 23:19.40 | Matthew_I | cogwheel: what is the lua command to generate a screenshot |
| 23:19.52 | cogwheel | Matthew_I: you don't happen to be Tabascun, are you? ;) |
| 23:19.57 | Matthew_I | no |
| 23:19.59 | Matthew_I | I am matt |
| 23:19.59 | cogwheel | TakeScreenshot() |
| 23:20.07 | Cide | Kaso: I have both EU and US accounts :) |
| 23:20.23 | Shadowed | I got bored and made something to interact with the game using screen reading, it semi-worked and was amusing to do. But it's in no way use-able seriously :p |
| 23:20.23 | Matthew_I | ok (I could have just used my wowwiki reference here, lazy...) |
| 23:20.25 | cogwheel | I asked 'cause someone just posted on UI & Macros forum about continuous file i/o :) |
| 23:20.50 | Matthew_I | ahh |
| 23:20.53 | Kaso | :> howcome you dont post on EU any! i'd make our forums feel less like an backwater town |
| 23:21.05 | Shadowed | wait, we have EU forums? |
| 23:21.14 | Matthew_I | well at least I am not the only one who wants to do this sort of thing |
| 23:21.24 | Matthew_I | although my needs are not continuous |
| 23:21.30 | Matthew_I | more of an every now and then thing |
| 23:21.39 | Cide | Kaso: but they are a backwater town ;) |
| 23:21.44 | cladhaire | People have wanted it for 2 years |
| 23:21.46 | Shadowed | well, everyone wants file I/O. But they'll never get it :p |
| 23:21.51 | cladhaire | it just can't be done without severe game interruption |
| 23:22.02 | cladhaire | and more importantly, that's not going to change |
| 23:22.19 | Matthew_I | i thought it was more of a security thing |
| 23:22.19 | cladhaire | it is |
| 23:22.34 | cladhaire | i'm saying, the only methods of DOING it require 10 seconds per instance, or something similar. |
| 23:22.37 | Maldivia | Cairenn: I have a bit of a love/hate relation to you right now... :| |
| 23:22.56 | Cairenn | I know you do baby |
| 23:23.14 | Shadowed | can't hate cair, she's giving us TBC keys |
| 23:23.24 | Shadowed | well, blizzard is |
| 23:23.26 | Maldivia | the beta key from wow interface... but I have a thesis due by the end of the month :| |
| 23:23.55 | cladhaire | hehe |
| 23:24.03 | Shadowed | i've got to grind my priest to Field Marshal, so i have to find a way to do that and play TBC at the same time :( |
| 23:25.45 | Maldivia | the problem of course... what to choose, my US account or my EU account... |
| 23:25.51 | Shadowed | US! |
| 23:26.29 | cladhaire | EU! |
| 23:26.52 | cogwheel | SUE U |
| 23:26.58 | Maldivia | both?... hehe :) |
| 23:26.58 | cladhaire | KoKRean |
| 23:27.03 | Cide | sweden! |
| 23:27.05 | Cide | oh wait |
| 23:27.17 | Shadowed | oh wait |
| 23:27.19 | Shadowed | i have to raid too |
| 23:27.21 | Shadowed | hate you cair! |
| 23:27.23 | Maldivia | well, Sweden was once a part of Denmark... so ok :) |
| 23:27.24 | Matthew_I | cladhaire: you could do I/O with out a sever interruption |
| 23:27.49 | cladhaire | Matthew_I: And violate the TOS and get your account banned along with all of your users. |
| 23:27.59 | Cide | I do output from client->webpage by just showing a bunch of text that the user copy & pastes |
| 23:28.08 | Matthew_I | cladhaire: well of course there is no API for it now so you can't do it |
| 23:28.10 | Cide | works fine for me /shrug |
| 23:28.14 | cladhaire | There never will be |
| 23:28.31 | cladhaire | I'm somewhat insulted that you think you're the only person who has every tried this.. We've had this conversatino in this very irc channel at least 15 times in the past few months. |
| 23:28.37 | Cide | what cladhaire said. we'll not get read/write access |
| 23:28.47 | Matthew_I | I know I am not the only person to try this... |
| 23:28.51 | cladhaire | i dont know how much cleared I can be. |
| 23:29.12 | ckknight | Matthew_I, just drop the idea. |
| 23:29.24 | Matthew_I | I am just saying there are not significant technical barriers preventing this from being in the API |
| 23:29.34 | ckknight | just drop it. |
| 23:29.37 | cogwheel | Matthew_I: It's precisely *because* you're not the first person to try this that we know it's never going to happen |
| 23:29.50 | Kaso | Where's the blizard interface extractor downloadable from? |
| 23:30.00 | Cide | Matthew_I: see, the technical barrier preventing it from being in the API is a simple import |
| 23:30.08 | Cide | they'd just import the file io library |
| 23:30.20 | Cide | the reason they haven't is because they *DON'T WANT TO* |
| 23:30.25 | Cide | and never will want to. |
| 23:30.27 | cogwheel | kaso: it's linked in iriel's post on the US UI & Macros forum |
| 23:30.37 | Maldivia | kaso, check the concise thread, there's a direct link there |
| 23:30.39 | cogwheel | (the stickie about the changes) |
| 23:30.41 | Thunder_Child | it's really beacuse they dont like us |
| 23:30.44 | Matthew_I | Cide: they could write their own file io lib and even restrict it to certain files, but I understand they don't want me to... |
| 23:30.49 | Kaso | pssh, US forums, only losers go there! |
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| 23:30.58 | cladhaire | They don't need to write one.. there is one in the standard lua library that they are already using. |
| 23:30.58 | Maldivia | kaso: well, for the BC extractor - the 1.x extractor is in a "mod ressources" thread |
| 23:31.10 | Cide | Matthew_I: they COULD, but they don't WANT us to have access to it |
| 23:31.16 | cladhaire | We're having difficulty understanding what you want, or expect |
| 23:31.30 | Cide | think about how easy it would be to implement a bot or something equally bad |
| 23:31.39 | cladhaire | We're a really helpful crew.. but discussing how and why to violate the ToS to some end, isn't really our cup of tea. |
| 23:32.04 | Matthew_I | I see their reasons for not doing it, it really is a can of worms, that does not change the fact that I still want to do it :) |
| 23:32.26 | ckknight | Kaso, losers like Slouken? |
| 23:32.31 | cladhaire | Well you can't.. I can assure you of that... and I'm the least of people here who could serve that end. |
| 23:32.32 | Cide | Matthew_I: if you want to get data in our out of wow, do it in a proper way or don't do it at all |
| 23:32.36 | cogwheel | We also generally know what we're talking about, so it's usually pretty silly to not take what we say at face value :P |
| 23:33.08 | Matthew_I | ok... |
| 23:33.47 | Matthew_I | anyway, thanks for your input |
| 23:33.49 | Thunder_Child | think of it like this, the collection of ppl in thid forum make up the entitty known as "god", and what god says....goes |
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| 23:33.51 | Cairenn | and if you really push the issue of breaking Blizz's rules, you'll be shown the door |
| 23:33.59 | Kaso | damn right ckknight ! |
| 23:34.01 | cladhaire | WTFZORS |
| 23:34.02 | cladhaire | lol |
| 23:34.05 | Cide | I didn't interpret it as him wanting to break the rules |
| 23:34.11 | cladhaire | me neither |
| 23:34.13 | cladhaire | and experimentation is good. |
| 23:34.21 | cladhaire | but.. like i said.. we've been through this 20 times =) |
| 23:34.26 | Cide | yeah |
| 23:34.50 | Vallerius | hey guys, how can I get info into/out of WoW in realtime? |
| 23:34.52 | Vallerius | *ducks* |
| 23:34.56 | Cide | I think we were a bit harsh though |
| 23:35.06 | Shadowed | eh, not really |
| 23:35.10 | Maldivia | Vallerius: hack the client and get a ban... |
| 23:35.10 | Shadowed | he didn't seem to want to listen |
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| 23:35.24 | Shadowed | wow, the beta is a 2gb download? |
| 23:35.27 | cladhaire | aye |
| 23:35.29 | cladhaire | its a full client. |
| 23:35.36 | Cide | did you get your invite Shadowed? :) |
| 23:35.39 | Maldivia | and then a 400mb patch afterwards |
| 23:35.54 | Shadowed | only been about 3 hours, but may as well download client now |
| 23:35.58 | Maldivia | cladhaire: no, it's not a full client, it still requires an existing wow installation (patch to 1.12.1) to install |
| 23:36.02 | Shadowed | I assume it'll take longer then that :p |
| 23:36.24 | cladhaire | oh yeah, hehe =) |
| 23:36.30 | Kaso | are there any non-torret downloads anywhere? my uni firewall doesnt let us torrent |
| 23:37.18 | Maldivia | think curse had it mirrored, not sure |
| 23:37.53 | Kaso | ah wonderful, they have it, thanks |
| 23:38.15 | cladhaire | I should mirror it.. but i'm lazy |
| 23:38.25 | cladhaire | do you have a link? |
| 23:38.26 | cladhaire | i'll start it up |
| 23:38.30 | Kaso | although, it appears im geting 403 on curse :< |
| 23:38.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Time to upload an addon |
| 23:38.43 | Shadowed | the blizzard downloader doesnt have a way to set a cap i take it |
| 23:38.51 | cladhaire | ScytheBlade1: Make sure its a good one =) |
| 23:38.57 | Maldivia | no, and it's annoying Shadowed :| |
| 23:39.17 | ScytheBlade1 | cladhaire, it's another square minimap... but it also docks and minimizes! |
| 23:39.21 | Shadowed | well, it's nice that i'm getting 500 KB/s on it, but it's kind of bad since i'm doing DM for raid :p |
| 23:39.28 | cladhaire | oh neat =) |
| 23:39.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah |
| 23:39.42 | cogwheel | If you look on the beta forums (beta.worldofwarcraft.com) there's a URL on one of those "slow download" threads that you can plug into azureus |
| 23:39.49 | cogwheel | (maybe text search works there) |
| 23:39.59 | ScytheBlade1 | cladhaire, now the question: what to call it |
| 23:40.17 | cladhaire | YASMM! |
| 23:40.24 | ScytheBlade1 | YASMM? |
| 23:40.40 | Shadowed | Yet Another Square Minimap |
| 23:40.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Duh. |
| 23:40.53 | cladhaire | MSMMIBTY |
| 23:40.58 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 23:41.04 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm just not even going to try |
| 23:41.10 | cladhaire | my square minimap is better than yours! |
| 23:41.24 | ScytheBlade1 | And oddly enough YASMM is the best so far :P |
| 23:41.25 | Shadowed | I was going to say Minimap Square Mega Mini uh |
| 23:41.27 | ScytheBlade1 | YASMM it is! |
| 23:41.27 | Shadowed | something! |
| 23:42.52 | cladhaire | MPWTVAAIGWTLMM |
| 23:43.03 | cladhaire | My parents went to vegas and all i got was this lousy minimap! |
| 23:43.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Now to make sure that my massive search and replace/rename worked |
| 23:43.55 | cogwheel | SIDTWASMMAATIWICUW |
| 23:44.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Bad karma if the first thing you up doesn't work, you know? |
| 23:44.15 | cogwheel | So, I decided to write another square minimap addon, and this is what I came up with. |
| 23:45.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Sure enough, it works |
| 23:45.38 | cogwheel | Yay!!!! no more candy corn! |
| 23:46.21 | cogwheel | I wondered why the forums seemed to die for a minute there... |
| 23:46.54 | Maldivia | ScytheBlade: OrthoMap :) |
| 23:47.14 | ScytheBlade1 | OrthoMap eh? |
| 23:47.27 | ScytheBlade1 | It's not like it's hard to rename it, hmm |
| 23:48.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Except there is some other big product by that name out there in the world :/ |
| 23:48.03 | Maldivia | ortho... as in: it has corners with right angles |
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| 23:48.19 | cladhaire | Anyone here from Shangai? |
| 23:50.20 | Vallerius | Shadowed: have you tried the new battleground yet? |
| 23:50.28 | Shadowed | no, I havn't gotten the key yet |
| 23:50.30 | Shadowed | you? |
| 23:50.37 | Cairenn | lol, easy guys |
| 23:50.50 | Cairenn | look for your keys tomorrow |
| 23:50.54 | Shadowed | well, he could have gotten one from another method besides this :p |
| 23:50.54 | Vallerius | naw, i thought you were in in one of the earlier phases :p |
| 23:51.04 | Shadowed | last I heard the BG wasn't open yet |
| 23:51.12 | cladhaire | which BG? |
| 23:51.25 | Maldivia | eye of the storm, or something like that |
| 23:51.28 | Shadowed | ^ |
| 23:51.32 | cladhaire | hrm? |
| 23:51.33 | Cairenn | point |
| 23:52.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Can I toggle the WGP option at a later time? |
| 23:54.56 | Mery | good night |
| 23:55.22 | Cairenn | night Mery |
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| 23:57.03 | Maldivia | hmmm... *grumble*... should probably have selected US instead of EU :| |
| 23:57.19 | Kirkburn | Well that was fun - a near midnight mountain bike run :D |
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| 23:59.26 | ScytheBlade1 | kek |
| 23:59.38 | ScytheBlade1 | cladhaire, it's done! Whoo! |
| 23:59.47 | cladhaire | yay! |
| 23:59.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Stupid "preview screenshot requirement for your category" -.- |