| 00:00.05 | Osagasu | :< |
| 00:00.20 | Osagasu | But... but... |
| 00:01.05 | Osagasu | "Interface additions usually require a minimum Intelligence Quotient (IQ) in order to run. I'm sorry, there is nothing I can do to help you." |
| 00:01.13 | Osagasu | I had it all written out and everything! |
| 00:01.20 | Dolby-wowi | lol |
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| 00:02.15 | Naurbrannon | leaving now, bye guys |
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| 00:42.10 | Corrodias | i like an interesting combination of the features of an old version of perfectraid and a new one.. and a really old one. i need to tweak. |
| 00:43.52 | Corrodias | one version has a backdrop, one has a debuff filter, and one has full words for buffs instead of abbreviations |
| 00:48.31 | cogwheel | is there an addon that automatically changes your rep tracking ("show as xp bar") by zone? |
| 00:49.35 | Xuerian | o.0 |
| 00:50.02 | Cairenn | I'm still trying to deal with that same thread. |
| 00:53.16 | Thunder_Child | lol, ppl are bitching in game about the lack of mods |
| 00:53.31 | cogwheel | rofl |
| 00:53.55 | Cairenn | point 'em to WoWI, we've got some |
| 00:53.58 | Thunder_Child | "buy, but...i dont know HOW to play with my keyboard..." |
| 00:53.59 | Bela|afk | its a BETA |
| 00:54.04 | Thunder_Child | but* |
| 00:54.07 | Xuerian | hahaha |
| 00:54.20 | Thunder_Child | hey Qshadowp[NS] |
| 00:54.23 | Qshadowp[NS] | ello :D |
| 00:55.54 | Beladona | bbiab, switching to me laptop |
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| 00:57.44 | Cairenn | I realize not everyone is computer-savvy, and I try to be patient and understanding, but oh my some days ... |
| 00:58.30 | Qshadowp[NS] | lol yea |
| 00:58.30 | Xuerian | I don't think this guy is a day by day issue, more a braincell by braincell issue. |
| 00:58.30 | Qshadowp[NS] | =P |
| 00:59.51 | Plorkyeran | Bah, server transfer managed to keep my mooncloth cooldown but not my honor for the week |
| 01:00.22 | Thunder_Child | yes, the worst of both worlds |
| 01:04.38 | Qshadowp[NS] | lol |
| 01:12.39 | Xuerian | Worse yet? |
| 01:13.49 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6557 |
| 01:13.55 | Cairenn | you really need to read the whole thread |
| 01:14.24 | Cairenn | it's amusing, in a pathetic, beat-your-head-against-your-desk-and-just-sob kinda way |
| 01:14.33 | Xuerian | Telling him to find target won't really help if his explorer isn't showing the address bar or full paths, unless you're just trying to give him a folder window to work from |
| 01:14.42 | Xuerian | In which case nevermind :p |
| 01:14.49 | Shadowed | Cairenn hasn't learned much from being an admin of a site apparently :p |
| 01:14.55 | Shadowed | ban him, make up a rule that he broke, problem solved |
| 01:15.03 | Xuerian | kek |
| 01:15.13 | Cairenn | I'm just trying to find out where the fuck he has wow installed so I can make sure he's putting the new folder in the right place |
| 01:15.20 | Shadowed | ban imo |
| 01:15.52 | Xuerian | Tell him to copy what's in the Target field |
| 01:15.56 | Xuerian | That's what you're after :) |
| 01:16.07 | Cairenn | he finally figured it out |
| 01:16.12 | Xuerian | Oh >< |
| 01:21.17 | wereHamster | wouldn't it be easier to have the discussion on IRC or MSN rather than through the forum? |
| 01:21.38 | Xuerian | Question is, do you want someone like that having your IM? |
| 01:21.46 | Shadowed | ignore is your friend |
| 01:21.49 | Cairenn | wereHamster: read the thread, now YOU decide if you want to try to explain to him how to use IRC? |
| 01:22.07 | wereHamster | you can setup a fake MSN account.. |
| 01:22.16 | Xuerian | Just to help the guy? |
| 01:22.35 | wereHamster | shouldn't be that hard, MSN is more or less just SIP |
| 01:22.36 | Dolby-wowi | the point is... he/she isnt gonna know how to use msn or setup msn either |
| 01:22.53 | Xuerian | Haha |
| 01:25.06 | wereHamster | how the hell does he play WoW, IMHO WoW is just as hard to understand as a basic windows app... |
| 01:25.39 | Cairenn | honestly, I don't know |
| 01:25.55 | Cairenn | my daughter was using a computer by the time she was 2, and windows didn't exist at that point |
| 01:26.30 | Cairenn | she knew how to start the computer, we taught her how to find "her" menu to boot, then she could pick which game she wanted to play |
| 01:26.57 | Corrodias | how cute |
| 01:26.57 | Cairenn | you know, back at the DOS prompt? |
| 01:27.13 | Cairenn | and then I run into people like this ... *boggle* |
| 01:27.26 | Shadowed | can't even remember when i started using a computer, think it was around 7-8 |
| 01:27.59 | Xuerian | Commodore 64 self teaching ftw :) |
| 01:28.01 | Cairenn | lol, Dolby-wowi is MEAN |
| 01:28.11 | Cairenn | you should see what he just suggested to me in another channel |
| 01:28.26 | Shadowed | k |
| 01:28.28 | Shadowed | tell us then :p |
| 01:29.39 | Cairenn | Dolby-wowi: ping |
| 01:30.15 | Dolby-wowi | I would never say anything mean |
| 01:30.21 | Cairenn | yeah, right |
| 01:30.26 | Dolby-wowi | no idea what your talking about Cairenn |
| 01:30.37 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 01:30.38 | Cairenn | (9:25:39 PM) Dolby-wowi: lol you next reply should be "ok great so you have a "my computer icon" go ahead and double click it. Then right click on the C: icon and choose the option "format""..... |
| 01:30.48 | Shadowed | haha |
| 01:30.52 | Dolby-wowi | faker! |
| 01:30.58 | Dolby-wowi | you just typed in my name |
| 01:31.06 | Cairenn | heh |
| 01:31.10 | Shadowed | she doesn't need to give us proof of being evil anyway |
| 01:31.18 | Cairenn | hush you1 |
| 01:31.22 | Cairenn | !* |
| 01:36.25 | Cairenn | zomg! he got the "do you want to overwrite" message. by jove, I think he got it! |
| 01:37.15 | Thunder_Child | does anyone know if blizz is doing anything to lower or get rid of queue's with the BC expansion? |
| 01:37.49 | *** join/#wowi-lounge malreth (n=triti@cpe-72-179-20-11.austin.res.rr.com) |
| 01:37.52 | Cairenn | no idea |
| 01:37.58 | Dolby-wowi | speed pass? |
| 01:38.04 | malreth | I just rode the disco dolphin back from Xanadu! |
| 01:38.05 | Cairenn | lol |
| 01:38.05 | Dolby-wowi | hehe jk, dunno |
| 01:38.14 | Cairenn | hi malreth |
| 01:38.23 | malreth | who? |
| 01:38.54 | malreth | You guys are SUCKERS!!! |
| 01:39.09 | Cairenn | if that was you, I'm going to kill you |
| 01:39.21 | malreth | huh? |
| 01:39.28 | malreth | wait, now i'm confuzzled |
| 01:39.39 | Shadowed | hmmm |
| 01:39.43 | malreth | that can't be... I'm the confuser.. |
| 01:39.55 | Shadowed | ironically, cair just said she'd never say anything mean about 10 minutes ago |
| 01:40.06 | Cairenn | no I didn't |
| 01:40.10 | Cairenn | Dolby-wowi said that |
| 01:40.13 | malreth | i don't believe that for a second, Shadowed |
| 01:40.51 | Shadowed | it was implied! |
| 01:40.57 | Cairenn | hmmm ... no response from him yet ... |
| 01:41.13 | Cairenn | malreth: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=6557 is what we are talking about |
| 01:41.59 | JoshBorke | HOLY CRAP! |
| 01:42.00 | Thunder_Child | Implications are like assumptions they can get you in a lot of trouble |
| 01:42.08 | JoshBorke | 5 pages on 'i don't know how to install an addon'?! |
| 01:42.31 | malreth | hm... |
| 01:43.01 | Thunder_Child | Dolby-wowi: one of the questions is "do you have a brain?" |
| 01:43.02 | malreth | i would have deleted his account by page 2 |
| 01:43.05 | Cairenn | so, malreth, you can see how you walking in here with "who?" and "you guys are SUCKERS!!!" could lead to threats of bodily harm, right? |
| 01:43.21 | Dolby-wowi | me? no i dont. they are evil |
| 01:43.31 | malreth | Ah... tsk, tsk, dear Cairenn. |
| 01:43.41 | Thunder_Child | no i meant as basic information |
| 01:43.48 | malreth | I would never troll a forum in such an unrefined manner. |
| 01:43.52 | Dolby-wowi | oh :) |
| 01:43.54 | Thunder_Child | but i think i have an extra if you need |
| 01:44.17 | Dolby-wowi | no thanks, I quit my brain awhile ago |
| 01:44.24 | Dolby-wowi | felt much better ever since |
| 01:45.07 | Thunder_Child | i found one that has ventilation |
| 01:45.31 | malreth | yeah, i still would have deleted his forum account by page 2... but that's why I don't moderate forums. |
| 01:45.39 | malreth | well... not anymore... |
| 01:45.46 | Thunder_Child | someone had a nasty run in with an automatic |
| 01:45.54 | malreth | How the mighty have fallen!? |
| 01:46.17 | malreth | 'tis better to have modded and lost... than never to have modded at all... |
| 01:46.20 | Cairenn | "Today, 07:24 PM" was the original post ... "Today, 09:35 PM" was my last response so far ... he damn well better come back to tell me it's working and say thank you |
| 01:46.44 | Shadowed | isn't there a variable in FramesXML hiding that has the maximum amount ofparty members? |
| 01:46.52 | Dolby-wowi | Cairenn just wanted to work on her post count number |
| 01:47.01 | Cairenn | Dolby-wowi: /smack |
| 01:47.08 | Dolby-wowi | owww, see!!! |
| 01:47.16 | Shadowed | or, it could just be the same as raid, except party instead of raid! |
| 01:47.19 | Cairenn | I had much better things to do with the last two hours of my life, trust me |
| 01:47.23 | malreth | well, i commend you, Cairenn, on your dedication. |
| 01:47.25 | Shadowed | obviously not cair |
| 01:48.33 | Thunder_Child | ~massage Cairenn |
| 01:48.37 | purl | ACTION gives Cairenn a terribly relaxing full-body massage that puts Cairenn to sleep |
| 01:48.37 | Maldivia | MAX_PARTY_MEMBERS = 4; |
| 01:48.57 | Dolby-wowi | wow |
| 01:50.28 | Cairenn | Dolby-wowi: hmm? |
| 01:52.11 | malreth | my fiancee and I had the first meeting of our parents this weekend |
| 01:52.18 | Qshadowp[NS] | hmm me and my friend found a hole in the world... |
| 01:52.28 | Qshadowp[NS] | and he jumped down and died...and he went down as a ghost to find his body |
| 01:52.33 | Qshadowp[NS] | and now hes just falling...and falling |
| 01:52.37 | Qshadowp[NS] | been falling for about 5 minutes |
| 01:52.39 | Qshadowp[NS] | o.O |
| 01:52.48 | malreth | OMG! |
| 01:52.50 | Cairenn | heh |
| 01:52.58 | malreth | it's like the bottomless pit in He-Man! |
| 01:53.04 | Qshadowp[NS] | rofl he fell all the way from stormwind to searing gorge |
| 01:53.14 | Thunder_Child | malreth: that sounded so wrong |
| 01:53.17 | Qshadowp[NS] | he said hes falling into some kind of black whole ow |
| 01:53.18 | Qshadowp[NS] | lol |
| 01:53.23 | Qshadowp[NS] | burning steppes i mean :P |
| 01:53.29 | Qshadowp[NS] | hahaha |
| 01:53.57 | Qshadowp[NS] | falling through burning steppes now |
| 01:54.04 | Qshadowp[NS] | heading through the cliffs that you can't' get to |
| 01:54.24 | Qshadowp[NS] | rofl he said "i will soon have satans buff" |
| 01:54.40 | malreth | Qshadowp[NS]: I don't get it |
| 01:54.45 | malreth | satans buff? |
| 01:54.50 | Qshadowp[NS] | he fell through a hole in the world |
| 01:55.00 | Qshadowp[NS] | and you know when you fall, you fall diagnally forwards |
| 01:55.00 | malreth | i'm following you... |
| 01:55.05 | malreth | ok... |
| 01:55.07 | malreth | gotcha |
| 01:55.09 | Qshadowp[NS] | hes falling all the way from Stormwind to Searing gorge now |
| 01:55.14 | Qshadowp[NS] | and continues to fall |
| 01:55.18 | malreth | sounds treacherous |
| 01:55.28 | Qshadowp[NS] | yea |
| 01:56.07 | Qshadowp[NS] | entering dun morogh now |
| 01:56.18 | malreth | satans buff? |
| 01:56.31 | Qshadowp[NS] | you know...satan is from hell...the leader of hell |
| 01:56.35 | Qshadowp[NS] | where all the demons are and stuff.. |
| 01:56.37 | Qshadowp[NS] | its a joke.. |
| 01:57.06 | malreth | i don't get it |
| 01:57.10 | Qshadowp[NS] | ok :P |
| 01:57.21 | Qshadowp[NS] | hes about to clear the cliffs at the southern reagen of if |
| 01:57.29 | Qshadowp[NS] | and still continues to fall (around 15 minutes falling time) |
| 01:57.46 | malreth | is satan far away? is that what that means? |
| 01:58.46 | Qshadowp[NS] | nope :S |
| 01:58.48 | Qshadowp[NS] | never mind :P |
| 01:58.55 | Qshadowp[NS] | hes now falling through Kharanos |
| 01:59.00 | malreth | oh, can't chat anymore with you, Bleach is on. |
| 01:59.05 | Qshadowp[NS] | lol |
| 02:01.16 | Xuerian | malreth: Satan. Hell. Dowards. Falling downwards. Falling towards hell. Falling towards satan. |
| 02:01.31 | Xuerian | ._. |
| 02:01.39 | malreth | ok... everyone point and laugh at Xuerian. |
| 02:01.59 | Xuerian | =O But you... you're... they should... |
| 02:01.59 | Xuerian | BAH |
| 02:02.57 | Thunder_Child | but satan's only buff is having sex with sadam..... |
| 02:03.03 | Xuerian | 0_o |
| 02:03.15 | Xuerian | duhwha? |
| 02:03.31 | Thunder_Child | southpark |
| 02:03.51 | Thunder_Child | he is in the buff........(buff = nude) |
| 02:04.19 | Thunder_Child | it was a strech |
| 02:04.39 | Thunder_Child | stretch* |
| 02:04.48 | malreth | in more ways than one! |
| 02:04.50 | malreth | ZING! |
| 02:05.35 | Thunder_Child | and you know this.....through personal experiance? |
| 02:06.35 | Xuerian | That or he was there, and I'm pretty sure that's equally "interesting". |
| 02:06.56 | Thunder_Child | indeed |
| 02:07.18 | Thunder_Child | malreth: write a book on your "experiances" |
| 02:08.43 | Thunder_Child | i'm sure it will rise fast... |
| 02:09.12 | malreth | Damn, Rukia is hot! |
| 02:09.24 | JoshBorke | yea she is! |
| 02:09.36 | Thunder_Child | whats bleach?....besides a cleaning solution? |
| 02:09.49 | JoshBorke | anime |
| 02:09.52 | malreth | wiki bleach anime |
| 02:10.01 | malreth | ~wiki bleach anime |
| 02:10.16 | malreth | there you go |
| 02:10.20 | Thunder_Child | ok, anime, got it |
| 02:10.21 | malreth | ~botsnack |
| 02:10.21 | purl | malreth: aw, gee |
| 02:15.24 | malreth | aw... |
| 02:15.44 | malreth | my fiancee is all like, "let's 'log in' and 'play'" |
| 02:16.00 | malreth | time to go enter my username and password, baby |
| 02:16.06 | malreth | toodles... |
| 02:16.36 | Thunder_Child | ...who logs out of IRC just to play wow? |
| 02:17.14 | Thunder_Child | hell....who logs out of IRC? |
| 02:21.46 | Xuerian | Uh |
| 02:21.55 | Xuerian | I don't think he was logging to play wow, mr policeman, sir |
| 02:22.38 | Thunder_Child | ok, the he is just being dirty....and in that case Gratz malreth |
| 02:22.43 | Thunder_Child | then* |
| 02:22.50 | Xuerian | s/he/she/ |
| 02:22.58 | Xuerian | damnit. |
| 02:23.06 | Xuerian | I fail external corrections. |
| 02:23.08 | Xuerian | ~botslap purl |
| 02:23.22 | Thunder_Child | ~lap purl |
| 02:23.27 | Thunder_Child | ~slap purl |
| 02:23.29 | purl | ACTION slaps purl, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 02:23.33 | Xuerian | ~lart purl |
| 02:23.34 | Thunder_Child | that way |
| 02:23.35 | Plorkyeran | Why he's logging off irc to "play" is still a valid question |
| 02:23.37 | Xuerian | Nuuu |
| 02:23.59 | Xuerian | haha |
| 02:24.03 | Thunder_Child | see, i'm not the only one wondering |
| 02:24.24 | Thunder_Child | unless it involes the computer/ney cable in some ungoldy way |
| 02:24.37 | Thunder_Child | s/ney/net |
| 02:24.38 | Plorkyeran | Or something similarly disturbing |
| 02:24.50 | Thunder_Child | s/ney/net/ |
| 02:25.00 | Xuerian | lol. |
| 02:25.01 | Thunder_Child | lol |
| 02:25.51 | Thunder_Child | ~go die in a fire |
| 02:30.08 | JoshBorke | nn all |
| 02:30.18 | Thunder_Child | ~night JoshBorke |
| 02:30.19 | purl | have a good night, JoshBorke |
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| 02:31.19 | Xuerian | hm |
| 02:31.20 | Xuerian | ~diaf |
| 02:33.20 | Nathan | question - when I use clearfont and I change stances, equip an item or mount my fps drops and my game freezes for a second.. how can I fix this? |
| 02:37.01 | cogwheel | sounds like you're making a few too many assumptions |
| 02:37.31 | cogwheel | is Clearfont the only addon you have? |
| 02:39.46 | Nathan | no but i dont freeze when its not on |
| 02:42.01 | Cairenn | it may be a conflict between it and something else as well though |
| 02:43.31 | Nathan | ill take a screenshot of my addons folder for you maybe it doesnt like one of them |
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| 02:49.15 | Nathan | http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/4924/addons1hm4.jpg |
| 02:51.06 | Nathan | probably wont help ;/ |
| 02:51.32 | Cairenn | roflmao Thunder_Child |
| 02:52.01 | Thunder_Child | well i couldnt help it |
| 02:52.05 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 02:52.16 | Cairenn | come on now, I wasn't being grumpy with you guys |
| 02:52.25 | Cairenn | I was just asking you to commiserate with me |
| 02:52.55 | Thunder_Child | the original post ... "Today, 09:35 PM" was my last response so far ... he damn well better come back to tell me it's working and say thank you |
| 02:52.56 | Thunder_Child | it could have gone down hill very fast...i was just trying to head that off |
| 02:53.05 | Cairenn | lol |
| 02:53.06 | Cairenn | naw |
| 02:53.09 | Nathan | when im done raiding i guess ill try using it without anything else on |
| 02:53.37 | Thunder_Child | :) |
| 02:54.14 | Cairenn | Nathan: on a quick glance, I don't see what could be causing the problem |
| 02:54.24 | Nathan | neither do i |
| 02:54.38 | Nathan | and i have a decent computer so stumped there also |
| 02:54.40 | Cairenn | unfortunately the one you need to talk to isn't on now, he's gone sleepy-byes |
| 02:55.17 | Cairenn | o |
| 02:55.17 | Cairenn | m |
| 02:55.18 | Cairenn | g |
| 02:55.23 | Cairenn | I don't believe I just said that |
| 02:55.30 | Nathan | sleepy byes? |
| 02:55.33 | Cairenn | yeah |
| 02:55.37 | Thunder_Child | nice..... |
| 02:55.58 | Thunder_Child | your not alking about mal are you? |
| 02:56.05 | Cairenn | no, Kirk |
| 02:56.30 | Thunder_Child | ok, cuse i was about to say...he is certianly NOT "sleepy byes" |
| 02:56.36 | Cairenn | heh |
| 02:56.49 | Thunder_Child | well, not till after anyways |
| 02:57.07 | Cairenn | well, you never know, he may very well be by now, if he's like most men :p |
| 02:57.14 | Thunder_Child | ouch |
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| 03:15.49 | Thunder_Child | hah, thers a mod that starts off like this: |
| 03:15.49 | Thunder_Child | Has Cide trained you to produce a pavlovian response to levelup2.wav? |
| 03:15.49 | Thunder_Child | Can you no longer snap to attention when the /raready sound is replaced |
| 03:15.49 | Thunder_Child | by the weaksauce blizzard /readycheck sound? Me neither. |
| 03:20.29 | Cairenn | heh |
| 03:59.13 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* someone write a program that qucikly loads all of the mods to test them for compatibilty with all of the other mods installed |
| 03:59.49 | Miravlix | How the hell would you do that |
| 04:00.05 | Thunder_Child | not as clue. but it would be nice to have |
| 04:00.12 | Thunder_Child | s/as/a/ |
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| 04:11.02 | Industrial | Lazy_Child |
| 04:12.08 | Thunder_Child | well if you concider not learning code well enough to do that...then yes |
| 04:14.54 | Thunder_Child | eventuly i will go back to school for the hell of it to learn to program |
| 04:15.07 | Thunder_Child | (and possibly to spell....but thats a long shot) |
| 04:15.56 | Thunder_Child | programing* |
| 04:23.56 | Xuerian | Learn to program in school? |
| 04:24.02 | Xuerian | That's like learning to swim in a classroom |
| 04:24.17 | Thunder_Child | yes it's called swiming class |
| 04:25.04 | jehuu | a classroom does not have a waterpool |
| 04:25.18 | Industrial | Thunder_Child: learn to program yourself |
| 04:25.29 | Xuerian | That's exactly the point, jehuu |
| 04:25.35 | Thunder_Child | i hate to read on my own, i prefer watching someone else |
| 04:25.47 | Industrial | learn by doing |
| 04:25.50 | Xuerian | Thunder_Child: Then read someone else's code :P |
| 04:25.50 | Industrial | its the only way |
| 04:26.01 | Thunder_Child | i do, but better when it's incremantal, or els i get to lazy |
| 04:30.02 | Thunder_Child | btw, most swiming classes are at swiming pools...same as with programin classes are at computers |
| 04:30.47 | Cairenn | unh, yeah, I think most folks in here know that ;) |
| 04:31.30 | Thunder_Child | [10/15/2006 - 21:25] jehuu: a classroom does not have a waterpool |
| 04:32.15 | Dolby-wowi | I knew something was wrong when i went to my programing class and there was only a pool |
| 04:32.43 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Dolby-wowi |
| 04:33.12 | Cairenn | btw, for those of you who missed it, this is a record breaking day |
| 04:33.25 | Cairenn | this is the most Dolby-wowi has ever talked in here, I'm in shock |
| 04:33.41 | Xuerian | He's like my GM. |
| 04:33.52 | Xuerian | I think he talks once a month. At most. |
| 04:35.19 | Dolby-wowi | do i get a trophy? :) |
| 04:35.38 | Cairenn | purl, give Dolby-wowi a cookie |
| 04:35.40 | purl | ACTION gives Dolby-wowi a home-baked fortune cookie to cheer him up. |
| 04:36.01 | Cairenn | lol |
| 04:36.13 | Thunder_Child | yes, it's a trophy that looks like neos mouth after the agents get through fubar'ing him |
| 04:36.30 | Cairenn | btw, please to note, I'm most certainly not complaining! |
| 04:36.49 | Cairenn | Osagasu: o.O |
| 04:36.56 | Osagasu | :O |
| 04:37.19 | cogwheel | gnight |
| 04:37.24 | Cairenn | night cogwheel |
| 04:37.59 | Cairenn | s'okay Osagasu, everyone seems a bit loopy tonight |
| 04:38.38 | Dolby-wowi | I like rollercoasters with loops |
| 04:40.03 | Cairenn | Dolby-wowi: hehehe, I know |
| 04:41.01 | Cairenn | Dolby-wowi: we need to come up with an excuse to get us both out there again, soon |
| 04:41.17 | Osagasu | Wait.. |
| 04:41.19 | Cairenn | and get someone else to pay this time >< |
| 04:41.20 | Osagasu | Someon in beta.. |
| 04:41.29 | Osagasu | Are there spells trained every level past 70? |
| 04:41.31 | Dolby-wowi | yeah why havent they had another blizzcon yet |
| 04:41.33 | Osagasu | Or every other? |
| 04:41.47 | Thunder_Child | where you at six flags magic mountian? |
| 04:49.11 | Dolby-wowi | nah, disney land and cali adventures was really close to where Blizzcon was |
| 04:49.42 | Thunder_Child | meh...thats like a 1 1/2 drive for me...way to far |
| 04:50.03 | Industrial | anyone play on US dethecus horde? |
| 04:51.14 | Dolby-wowi | I'm out in Wisconsin so its a bit longer for me |
| 04:51.27 | Thunder_Child | just a tad i suppose |
| 04:51.41 | Cairenn | lol, and I'm in Ontario, Canada, so yeah, even further for me |
| 04:52.06 | Thunder_Child | ah, a canuk...well that explains alot |
| 04:52.18 | Cairenn | and damn proud of it baby! |
| 04:52.28 | Thunder_Child | heh, i'm also canadian |
| 04:52.55 | Cairenn | oh yeah? where abouts? |
| 04:52.56 | Thunder_Child | born just outside of toronto |
| 04:53.09 | Thunder_Child | otobacoke...i cant spell it |
| 04:53.17 | Cairenn | I know where you mean |
| 04:53.40 | Dolby-wowi | I've been to boundry waters and camped on the canadian side |
| 04:53.43 | Cairenn | I'm currently living in Ottawa, but I'm a bluenoser born & raised |
| 04:53.53 | Dolby-wowi | they dont have ranger boxes on the canadian camp sites :( |
| 04:54.10 | Thunder_Child | really...well my aunt is a brownnoser....just down a bit |
| 04:54.24 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 04:54.51 | Thunder_Child | as it is i still have more than 200+ relitives living in toronto....it's rather nice visting there |
| 04:55.15 | Cairenn | anyway guys, I'm gonna go see if I can't actually do that whole "sleep" thing tonight, for a change |
| 04:55.22 | Cairenn | night night |
| 04:55.25 | Thunder_Child | sleep....silly you |
| 04:55.26 | Dolby-wowi | night |
| 04:55.29 | Thunder_Child | ~night Cairenn |
| 04:55.34 | purl | have a good night, Cairenn |
| 05:06.59 | Industrial | so noone plays on us dethecus horde?:| |
| 05:07.14 | Thunder_Child | ew horde... |
| 05:07.50 | Thunder_Child | anyone know a chart of crit multiplicators based on class? |
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| 07:18.54 | Elessdy | now i wonder if there's a way to add an overlay dotted circle on the map to indicate your gathering profession detection range |
| 07:19.47 | Thunder_Child | the mini map? |
| 07:20.29 | Thunder_Child | maybe a tga file overlayed on top of the minmap |
| 07:20.43 | Thunder_Child | transparent except for the dotted line |
| 07:20.53 | Thunder_Child | well multiple tga files based on the zoom |
| 07:21.14 | Elessdy | arr |
| 07:21.29 | Elessdy | i must research it. |
| 07:22.06 | Thunder_Child | you might want to start with square minimap since it alters it already |
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| 07:25.54 | Corrodias | your detection range is circular anyway |
| 07:26.36 | Thunder_Child | i meant for mini map latering effects |
| 07:26.49 | Thunder_Child | s/latering/altering/ |
| 07:30.08 | Corrodias | i'm talking about the main map |
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| 08:20.00 | Cairenn|sleep | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:20.07 | Cairenn|sleep | sleep for 2 hrs, wide awake again |
| 08:26.05 | Thunder_Child | poor baby..... |
| 08:27.43 | Thunder_Child | there are things that can help |
| 08:27.47 | Thunder_Child | pills |
| 08:27.57 | Thunder_Child | blunt objects to the back of the skull |
| 08:28.17 | Thunder_Child | exquisite pleasure |
| 08:28.41 | Thunder_Child | physical and mental exertion |
| 08:29.25 | Cairenn|sleep | pills - no thanks, have to take too many for medical reasons as it is |
| 08:29.35 | Cairenn|sleep | blunt objects - this is a possibility |
| 08:29.57 | Cairenn|sleep | exquisite pleasure - isn't nearly so exquisite when self-induced |
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| 08:30.10 | |FF|Im2good4u | oO |
| 08:30.18 | Cairenn|sleep | physical and mental exertion - is why I can't sleep these days as it is |
| 08:31.11 | |FF|Im2good4u | i actualy got the same prob becase im a wow nerd i keep thinking about it all nite until i realise its time to get out of bed again >.< |
| 08:33.43 | Cairenn|sleep | heh |
| 08:34.38 | Thunder_Child | Ok now that you have made an excuse for every one of my suggestions......try the blunt object to skull |
| 08:34.38 | Thunder_Child | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:34.38 | Thunder_Child | *disclaimer* warning, repetitive use of a blunt object to the skull may increase the likelihood that someone as stupid (to do this in the first place) as you is going to get even stupider. On the plus side this may lower the amount of reproducing morons on this planet anyway. |
| 08:35.01 | Cairenn|sleep | did you just call me stupid? |
| 08:35.12 | End | you tell us, Cairenn|sleep |
| 08:35.16 | End | ;p |
| 08:35.24 | Thunder_Child | i dont remember saying Cairenn is stupid |
| 08:35.33 | Thunder_Child | although.....no |
| 08:35.37 | Cairenn|sleep | brave words to someone that can kick you from the channel |
| 08:35.58 | Cairenn|sleep | night End-sleep, sweet dreams :) |
| 08:36.30 | End-sleep | night night |
| 08:36.41 | Thunder_Child | ~night End-sleep |
| 08:36.42 | purl | have a good night, End-sleep |
| 08:37.15 | Xuerian | Well, I've completed my "How to get to sleep" ritual, IE, stay up till 4am staring at code, bashing my head against it till I understand it :P... I hope you can get to sleep soon, Cairenn =\... Sweet dreams when you do =). You did a great job of dealing with the nutcase earlier. |
| 08:37.41 | Cairenn|sleep | lol, thanks Xuerian, sweet dreams |
| 08:38.05 | Thunder_Child | sweet, i look for slider dvd's and get porn......meh |
| 08:38.34 | Thunder_Child | alot of porn.... |
| 08:38.43 | Thunder_Child | maybe i am looking for the wrong thing |
| 08:39.14 | Cairenn|sleep | try looking for porn, maybe you'll find sliders |
| 08:39.24 | Thunder_Child | prolly |
| 08:40.34 | moonwolf | if only it was that easy |
| 08:40.35 | moonwolf | if only |
| 08:41.36 | Thunder_Child | so, how are you going to get to sleep? |
| 08:42.27 | Cairenn|sleep | stay up for a couple hours then try again |
| 08:42.43 | Cairenn|sleep | only thing that'll work |
| 08:43.01 | Thunder_Child | doesnt sound like it's working to well so far |
| 08:43.28 | |FF|Im2good4u | aprines usaly work and they arent as bad as sleep medications ;P |
| 08:45.47 | Cairenn|sleep | aspirin? lol, those are the same as candy to me |
| 08:46.01 | Cairenn|sleep | but thank you for trying :) |
| 08:46.06 | Thunder_Child | but they dont taste as good |
| 08:46.06 | |FF|Im2good4u | wel i still prever candy :P |
| 08:46.18 | |FF|Im2good4u | indeed Thunder_Child :P |
| 08:46.51 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn this is *not* a good thing |
| 08:47.01 | Cairenn|sleep | meh |
| 08:47.15 | Thunder_Child | have you seen a doctor? |
| 08:47.21 | Thunder_Child | at least there it |
| 08:47.27 | Thunder_Child | 's free |
| 08:47.34 | Cairenn|sleep | I go through this periodically, it'll sort around eventually |
| 08:47.46 | Thunder_Child | you just happen to have a %100 tax bracket |
| 08:47.48 | |FF|Im2good4u | Cairenn|sleep do u got any mage charecters ? |
| 08:48.24 | Cairenn|sleep | I've been so busy lately that my sleep schedule is completely screwed up and even when I do go to bed, my mind is just going with stuff to remember for the next day and stuff |
| 08:48.39 | |FF|Im2good4u | if u do u should try counting sheeps |
| 08:48.44 | Cairenn|sleep | |FF|Im2good4u: lol |
| 08:48.53 | Thunder_Child | oh god...bad puns |
| 08:49.27 | Thunder_Child | listen to this movie premise: "Federal agents Alex Michaels (Scott Bakula) and Steve Day (Kris Kristofferson) -- members of the FBI's newly created NetForce -- are tasked with tracking down Will Stiles (Judge Reinhold), an evil software guru who's assumed control of the entire Internet by finding a loophole in his Web browser." |
| 08:49.40 | Thunder_Child | a loophole...what crap |
| 08:49.46 | Cairenn|sleep | heh |
| 08:50.01 | moonwolf | i controll the internet, through browser! |
| 08:50.20 | Thunder_Child | good, get rid of morons |
| 08:50.21 | |FF|Im2good4u | internet can never becontrolled its to big nowdays :P |
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| 08:51.02 | Thunder_Child | people such as gjcire |
| 08:52.40 | Zicon | thunder_child: Sounds to me like the only thing lacking is "Swordfish 2:" in front of the title. |
| 08:52.52 | Thunder_Child | lol |
| 08:53.28 | Thunder_Child | yea, the first one's premise was rather weak |
| 08:53.34 | Thunder_Child | though interesting |
| 08:53.47 | Thunder_Child | rather like hackers |
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| 08:56.11 | Thunder_Child | Well, i'm off to bed, i need to get up in about 12 hrs or so |
| 08:56.24 | Thunder_Child | Night all |
| 08:56.44 | moonwolf | night |
| 08:57.44 | Cairenn|sleep | night Thunder_Child |
| 08:58.31 | Maldivia | hmm.. |
| 08:58.59 | Maldivia | anyone awake who has some more indepth info about securecall ? |
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| 09:28.41 | |FF|Im2good4u | Cairenn|sleep: are u sleeping already ? |
| 09:29.00 | Cairenn|sleep | soon I hope |
| 09:29.10 | |FF|Im2good4u | oke then i ask again in 30 mins |
| 09:29.15 | Cairenn|sleep | heh |
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| 12:15.29 | Josh_Borke | hola! |
| 12:18.48 | Beladona | hey |
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| 14:21.53 | zenzelezz | should be more careful around chemicals Lego |
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| 14:33.43 | Kevorkian | mmmm chemicals |
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| 14:37.26 | Silph_ | somone take a look at this code and tell where Ive done wrong please |
| 14:37.34 | Silph_ | local class = Unitclass("party1"); |
| 14:37.55 | Silph_ | if ( class == "Warrior" ) then |
| 14:38.08 | Silph_ | DART_Texture(56, "Interface\\AddOns\\CCI\\Icons\\Warrior"); |
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| 14:38.36 | Josh_Borke | Kevorkian: ping |
| 14:39.09 | Silph_ | been checking it for an hour, but I cant get it to work :/ |
| 14:39.49 | Kevorkian | josh: pong |
| 14:39.59 | Silph_ | :S |
| 14:40.00 | Xuerian | local classname, classenglish = UnitClass("party1"); if class == "WARRIOR" then dostuff; end |
| 14:40.01 | Josh_Borke | how's your mod working out? |
| 14:40.10 | Xuerian | er |
| 14:40.25 | Xuerian | if classenglish == "WARRIOR" |
| 14:41.29 | Kevorkian | in theory it is becoming quite fantastic. but since I haven't coded a single line due to the fact that I can't seem to find time to do more than design (can't WoW at work but design you can do anywhere) the reality is that it has advanced very little. Our guild has some new folks that code, so we may hand off the design to them |
| 14:42.14 | Kevorkian | data is defined, we have a feature set in mind for the first 4 versions and our infrastructure is completely mapped out though |
| 14:42.31 | Kevorkian | there's even psuedocode for the key bits |
| 14:42.36 | Josh_Borke | cool |
| 14:42.46 | zenzelezz | 4 versions? |
| 14:43.20 | Silph_ | err..so the english client gives back the class value in full caps? |
| 14:43.26 | Kevorkian | actually we have features mapped out for 6 versions, but anything beyond 4 versions is pure conjecture |
| 14:43.49 | Kevorkian | 3rd version is the first stable widespread release |
| 14:43.57 | Kevorkian | 1st version will likely be slash commands |
| 14:44.11 | Kevorkian | just to test the infrastructure |
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| 14:44.52 | Kevorkian | we'll have to do a lot of tweaking to make sure we don't use up a lot of memory. the nondisposable string stuff is gonna hurt us when we do CRCs I'm thinking |
| 14:47.12 | Kevorkian | mind you some of the later version features I'm not sure are even possible. We'd like to add a custom quest capability. So that we can have guild run quests integrated into the scheduling system. |
| 14:47.31 | Kevorkian | things like "Find person X in Swamp of Sorrows and do their bidding" |
| 14:48.02 | Josh_Borke | Kevorkian: are you going to keep references to the strings? |
| 14:48.36 | Beladona | I don't see why that would be impossible. You might need to build a custom quest api though if you want to do things like quest completion and stuff |
| 14:48.42 | Kevorkian | josh: some of them, I'm aware there are some tricksy hobbitsses thingss you can do to minimize the string overhead |
| 14:49.21 | Kevorkian | beladona: Quest PCs (note lack of N) would be able to trigger "quest complete" |
| 14:49.31 | Beladona | correct |
| 14:49.40 | Beladona | that is where you would need a custom quest api |
| 14:50.22 | Josh_Borke | man, i feel so n00bish. all my stuff is by the seat of my pants :-) |
| 14:50.40 | Kevorkian | actually the event tracker has a list of goals, all we need is a addon message from an authorized sender saying "quest complete" for a given goal |
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| 14:51.22 | Kevorkian | josh: for many things that is fine. I used to work on large software, lack of design == hell for suitably large projects, I tend to design everything now |
| 14:51.33 | Beladona | the problem comes in knowing when a quest has completed. Which would need to be done by having each quest register for a set of events, such as when someone talks to a specified NPC |
| 14:52.05 | Beladona | and yeah, maybe send that data to a "verifier" that says "yeah you completed it" |
| 14:52.18 | Kevorkian | beladona: they are PCs, not NPCs. and the PC in question would click a button on the event interface with a person targetted that says "quest complete" |
| 14:52.38 | Beladona | ahh ok, so no NPC involved? |
| 14:52.50 | Kevorkian | nope, talking guild run events |
| 14:53.06 | Beladona | would still be nice to allow both |
| 14:53.11 | Beladona | but meh |
| 14:53.14 | Kevorkian | i reckon the RP folks will have a field day with it. We'll mostly use it for kicks and giggles for weird stuff |
| 14:53.49 | zenzelezz | "So you say you need 10 elementium ore for your sword? Okay, go to LHC and talk to..." |
| 14:54.56 | Kevorkian | yep, much like what we do now except that the person you talk to will be a player |
| 14:55.00 | Mikma | http://images.wikia.com/uncyclopedia/images/3/3b/The_epic_MacGyver_Manuver.gif |
| 14:55.28 | Josh_Borke | lol |
| 14:57.52 | Kevorkian | you know it always amazes me how easily MacGyver knocks people out. I did karate for a few years and you know I think I only ever saw somebody get knocked out once even when black belts would do some semi-real sparring |
| 14:58.31 | Kevorkian | semi-real = hand and foot pads + cup but no off limit hits |
| 14:58.51 | Industrial | Read and spread: Who killed the electric car? 1.5hrs long: http://tinyurl.com/y5543e |
| 14:59.27 | zenzelezz | Kevorkian: it's TV... you can pull someone off their feet by dragging the carpet and the fall alone will knock them out |
| 14:59.32 | Beladona | its easy to know someone out |
| 14:59.36 | Beladona | knock |
| 14:59.41 | Beladona | just gotta know where to hit em |
| 14:59.50 | Beladona | and how hard |
| 14:59.57 | Industrial | not hard |
| 15:00.02 | Beladona | aye |
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| 15:00.17 | Beladona | its all in knowing the body |
| 15:00.25 | Industrial | hell even thefront of the chin works |
| 15:00.42 | Josh_Borke | ooo, that's gotta hurt |
| 15:00.43 | Beladona | base of the carotid, at the back of the jawline |
| 15:00.53 | Industrial | but that needs to be done a little harde then just in front of the ears (dont know the english word..) |
| 15:00.55 | Beladona | easy knockout, and if you hit hard enough .... well |
| 15:00.56 | Kevorkian | beladona: no doubt, but in practice it rarely happens that you can get somebody to present the correct target areas to a suitable blow |
| 15:01.15 | Beladona | Kevorkian: against fellow black belts sure |
| 15:01.23 | Beladona | but one is trained to prevent such attacks |
| 15:01.38 | Beladona | but walk up to someone on the street? |
| 15:01.46 | Kevorkian | aye, but most "thug" types don't strike me as ones that are strangers to violence |
| 15:02.07 | Beladona | true, but most thug types are used to the traditional attacks too |
| 15:02.21 | Industrial | most thug types have their hands low and dont expect |
| 15:02.44 | Beladona | MacGyver for example. How many times have you seen anyone use that gay super double chop thing he did |
| 15:02.50 | Beladona | lol |
| 15:03.44 | Beladona | its one thing to put your whole body into it. But my god, he almost knocked himself out too |
| 15:03.44 | Kevorkian | I saw a video of a 5th black belt (who was also an off duty cop) drop a pimp with a single neck chop. |
| 15:04.00 | Beladona | ooh, that would be neat |
| 15:04.34 | Kevorkian | heh, guy was beating one of his "girls" and the cop asked him to stop. pimp pulled a gun, talked some smack and turned to walk away *bam* |
| 15:04.57 | Beladona | lol |
| 15:05.22 | Kevorkian | did that rolling base of the neck chop (that can actually cause permanent damage if you don't roll it) |
| 15:05.45 | Beladona | I remember when I was in high school |
| 15:05.59 | Beladona | I was of course taking karate |
| 15:06.11 | Beladona | some chick came running up behind me, and jumped on me from behind |
| 15:06.30 | Kevorkian | did you flip her!? |
| 15:06.32 | Beladona | I felt so bad, because I instinctually threw her flat on her back |
| 15:06.37 | Beladona | yeah |
| 15:06.39 | Kevorkian | doh! |
| 15:06.48 | Kevorkian | that stings too |
| 15:06.56 | Kevorkian | I imagine she was unhappy with you |
| 15:07.00 | Beladona | yeah, and on concrete |
| 15:07.05 | Beladona | knocked the air out of her |
| 15:07.16 | Beladona | meh, she knew better |
| 15:07.27 | Beladona | and she definitely didn't do it again |
| 15:07.50 | Beladona | she knew to attack from the front from then on |
| 15:07.53 | Beladona | =P |
| 15:08.32 | Josh_Borke | lol |
| 15:08.37 | Josh_Borke | nice Beladona |
| 15:08.46 | Kevorkian | my teacher's brother was a SEAL, he used to do seal baiting where he'd poke him with a broom handle when he was asleep. said it was funny as hell watching him jump up and try to do a choke hold on a broom |
| 15:09.00 | Beladona | she was mad for like 10 minutes. After that she laughed about it |
| 15:09.05 | Beladona | so it was all good |
| 15:09.26 | Beladona | oh thats funny Kevorkian |
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| 15:10.32 | Kevorkian | my teacher tought his brother hand to hand and his brother would take him out to the demo range and they'd shoot stuff and do explosives work. not a family you wanna mess with |
| 15:10.46 | Kevorkian | nice folks though |
| 15:10.48 | Beladona | I don't go anymore unfortunately. My sensei quit teaching, and there weren't any in the area that could teach me any further. I could have taught myself but meh |
| 15:11.00 | Beladona | taught others myself I mean |
| 15:11.40 | Kevorkian | heh, I just had kids. free time to go to karate went bye bye. My oldest is almost old enough to start though, my old teacher is still teaching locally, I'm thinking of getting both of us back into it |
| 15:11.52 | Kevorkian | I stopped going about 4 months shy of getting my shodan |
| 15:11.55 | Beladona | my wife takes TKD now though |
| 15:11.56 | Kevorkian | still ticks me off |
| 15:12.05 | Beladona | so I throw my 2 cents in when she has to come up with custom forms |
| 15:13.01 | Kevorkian | I'm not a big fan of TKD, seems too flashy for me, but I'm probably biased. Kung fu now, that's something I'd love to learn |
| 15:13.17 | Beladona | the teacher can tell when I help her, because I love throws, and her forms tend to have throw moves in them |
| 15:14.13 | Kevorkian | heh |
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| 15:14.48 | Beladona | if you can throw an opponent down, you can usually control the fight from then on out. It is the fastest way to diffuse a fight imho |
| 15:14.50 | |FF|Im2good4u | is it posable to hoop whit get/set script ? |
| 15:14.54 | Kevorkian | I like the hand stuff. grappling/ridge hands/punches etc |
| 15:15.04 | |FF|Im2good4u | hook i mean |
| 15:15.11 | Josh_Borke | |FF|Im2good4u: yes |
| 15:15.31 | |FF|Im2good4u | oke thne obiuly did something wrong last time whne it kept over flooding ;P |
| 15:16.04 | Josh_Borke | |FF|Im2good4u: be sure to not hook if you've already hooked (when reloading and stuff) |
| 15:16.12 | Kevorkian | beladona: aye, works great against folks that are not trained. I'm just not in that many situations where I meet folks looking for a scrap that aren't trained. my karate buds all loved to spar and it's fairly difficult to do throws against folks that know what they're doing |
| 15:16.16 | Beladona | local origFunc = frame:GetScript("OnShow); frame:SetScript("OnShow", function() origFunc(); newFunc(); end); |
| 15:16.38 | Beladona | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:17.19 | |FF|Im2good4u | hmm looks simpel thep rob is im hookig chatframe onhyperlink click and that a seperated one fo each frame i think and i hooked it whit only 1 and the same function |
| 15:17.38 | Kevorkian | out teacher was a big proponent of hand attacks. he had an absolutely killer sliding side kick to get in range and then he could nail ya with hand techniques once he had ya clos |
| 15:18.20 | Beladona | I had this one guy argue with me that I couldn't take him down. he was in wrestling. |
| 15:18.27 | Beladona | told him to come at me |
| 15:18.35 | Industrial | no grades, but im not even near a competitive level ;) |
| 15:18.38 | Beladona | he said I took him down so fast he didn't even know what I did |
| 15:18.56 | Kevorkian | industrial: that's some good workout stuff. I'd probably have a heart attack trying that |
| 15:18.59 | Josh_Borke | |FF|Im2good4u: pastebin your code |
| 15:19.07 | Industrial | Kevorkian: hehe, well im 19 :P |
| 15:19.20 | Kevorkian | <-- 37 and desperately out of shape lately |
| 15:19.31 | Industrial | I must say that my body grew alot in 2 years :S |
| 15:19.53 | Industrial | lots of push ups and crunches :P |
| 15:20.12 | Kevorkian | aye, they work great |
| 15:20.17 | Kevorkian | no matter what the martial art |
| 15:20.48 | Industrial | yeah we train with this device that just makes beeps at set intervals |
| 15:20.53 | Beladona | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5438302470900543287&q=karate&hl=en |
| 15:20.55 | Beladona | lol |
| 15:21.01 | Mikma | judo chop! |
| 15:21.04 | Kevorkian | can really tell the difference being hit in the gut with a nice six pack vs. a slack belly |
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| 15:21.30 | Beladona | is this that pimp video? |
| 15:21.32 | Beladona | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5971681842302311000&q=karate&hl=en |
| 15:21.34 | Industrial | in 10 seconds you do 10 punches run to the other wall of the room tap the floor and back and do one push up, and do that for a minute |
| 15:21.50 | Industrial | stuff like that |
| 15:21.52 | Industrial | >_o |
| 15:22.42 | Kevorkian | beladona: ouch, I would have stayed on the floor for a few seconds myself |
| 15:23.31 | Kevorkian | we just used to do kick and punch drills from horse stance. My thighs are still insanely muscular |
| 15:24.11 | Beladona | I remember the first time we did weights in phys ed in school. They never did find out what my max leg lift weight was before class ended |
| 15:24.37 | Beladona | its insane how strong your elgs can get |
| 15:24.42 | Beladona | legs* |
| 15:25.27 | Beladona | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1820541640211440340&q=karate&hl=en |
| 15:26.38 | Kevorkian | that's funny |
| 15:26.40 | Industrial | This ones lways fun to watch and imho proves the effectiveness of muay thai verss something jumpy like taekwon do http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4096698654952355459&q=muay+thai&hl=en |
| 15:27.02 | Industrial | and heres some dutch pride *cough*: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5897520039219166927&q=muay+thai&hl=en |
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| 15:27.49 | Industrial | oh shit first one was the wrong one, that guy sucks |
| 15:27.50 | Industrial | :P |
| 15:27.56 | Industrial | hahaha |
| 15:28.18 | Beladona | did you see that discovery channnel show, where they did that science behind martial arts thing |
| 15:28.22 | Industrial | there: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5585460401345378983&q=vs+muay+thai&hl=en |
| 15:28.25 | Industrial | yea i did |
| 15:28.35 | Beladona | that was pretty neat |
| 15:29.32 | Industrial | yeah they measure the speed these guys kick at and they kick harder then a 100mph car impact >_> |
| 15:29.36 | zenzelezz | not sure about science, but was it by chance "Mind, body, and kick ass moves" or something like that? Only martial arts show I can remember on Discovery |
| 15:29.44 | Industrial | err, 60 |
| 15:29.47 | Kevorkian | I love watching some of the old exhibition video that bruce lee used to do. That guy was freaking magic with how he could kick a guy literally across a room |
| 15:30.07 | Beladona | the guys that head-butted 20 concrete blocks |
| 15:30.10 | Beladona | that was just insane |
| 15:30.56 | Kevorkian | honestly after you break the first 4 or 5 the weight and momentum of the breaking blocks does most of the work for ya |
| 15:31.08 | Beladona | yeah |
| 15:31.17 | Beladona | there is still a lot of skill to it |
| 15:31.26 | Beladona | perfect string point, speed |
| 15:31.30 | Beladona | strike |
| 15:32.03 | Beladona | omg, that TKD vs Muay Thai is so sad |
| 15:32.08 | Kevorkian | no doubt, I still recall with great pain the first time I tried to break a board with a straight punch bud didn't "punch through". I think my knuckle is permanently enlarged |
| 15:32.27 | Beladona | thats part of learning how though |
| 15:32.37 | Kevorkian | indeed. you don't make that mistake very often |
| 15:32.49 | Beladona | my wife still has the first wood planks she kicked through lol |
| 15:33.44 | Kevorkian | we have some kata that for testing you can have folks present boards for the kicks/punches at the end of sequences |
| 15:34.01 | Kevorkian | some of the kick breaks are relatively hard for non flexible folks |
| 15:34.09 | Kevorkian | <-- non flexible |
| 15:34.36 | Kevorkian | I always went with the part where they just hit you instead |
| 15:34.40 | Industrial | Beladona: the first or second i pasted? |
| 15:36.49 | Beladona | second one |
| 15:37.00 | Beladona | well, both |
| 15:37.51 | Industrial | sad how :P |
| 15:38.57 | Kevorkian | it's worth noting that TKD is a sport which, while it requires just as much physical effort as a martial art, is not engineered for the purpose of harming your opponent |
| 15:40.37 | Kevorkian | TKD vs. karate is usually similarly short. and heaven forbid they let somebody with jujitsu at somebody with TKD |
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| 15:41.11 | Kevorkian | jujitsu vs. karate is always fun |
| 15:41.30 | Kevorkian | usually a fair bit of beating goes on to see who gets the upper hand first |
| 15:42.16 | Industrial | hm i guess you're right there |
| 15:43.49 | Industrial | wonder why there arent people (at least not names i know of) with a jujitsu background fighting in MMA leagues |
| 15:45.31 | Silph_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:45.31 | Silph_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:45.45 | Silph_ | anything wrong with that? |
| 15:46.27 | Industrial | cant just just register for PARTY_MEMBERS_CHANGED? |
| 15:46.28 | Kevorkian | a lot of martial arts incorporate a fair amount of jujitsu into them. Our karate school had week long sessions in jujitsu where we'd practice grappling. Honestly it isn't near as flashy as most other martial arts but you're in a world of pain if a jujitsu master gets in grappling range |
| 15:47.16 | Industrial | yeah aubmission is also a very big part of MMA |
| 15:48.02 | Industrial | you see these BIG muscled bulls being brought down by submission :) |
| 15:48.44 | zenzelezz | big muscled bulls don't strike me as people who know a lot about martial arts though, so probably an easy opponent |
| 15:49.03 | Industrial | well thing is when they hit |
| 15:49.07 | zenzelezz | depending how big we're talking of course |
| 15:49.15 | Industrial | its not IF they hit you, they just hit you. defence or not |
| 15:49.24 | Industrial | you're done for :) |
| 15:49.29 | Kevorkian | pretty much |
| 15:50.15 | Industrial | come to think of it i do know mma people that have jujitsu background |
| 15:50.21 | Industrial | royce gracie |
| 15:50.35 | Kevorkian | one of my karate buds was a 6' 4" freaking solid 240 pound dude. I backed him up once with a hook kick to the head, but this guy grew up in a trailer park with the name "Dana" (a girl's name) and he could punch my ribs through my spine if he felt like it |
| 15:51.04 | Kevorkian | most of my time sparring with him was spent in retreat |
| 15:51.35 | Kevorkian | fast bugger too. I learned how not to block a ridgehand from him |
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| 15:54.04 | malreth | You kids better pay for those hookers! |
| 15:54.19 | TS|Skrom | bah... supid runecloth bag pattern vendor always sold out >< |
| 15:54.53 | Kevorkian | ~emulate malreth |
| 15:54.54 | purl | your hate makes you strong, kevorkian |
| 15:55.15 | malreth | indeed... |
| 15:56.08 | Josh_Borke | being the only one at work sucks |
| 15:56.40 | malreth | i took the day off |
| 15:57.08 | Kevorkian | josh: that's what angband is for |
| 15:57.22 | Kevorkian | roguelikes FTW |
| 15:57.35 | Kevorkian | although I hear dwarven fortress kicks it's ass |
| 15:57.42 | Kevorkian | its |
| 15:58.19 | Silph_ | Someone take a look at this and show me where I went wrong? http://pastey.net/1597 |
| 15:59.22 | TS|Skrom | error? or doesn't do anything? |
| 15:59.44 | cogwheel | Silph_: you can simplify that a great deal by predefining a table with all the textures... |
| 16:00.08 | TS|Skrom | ./wave cogwheel |
| 16:00.25 | Silph_ | doesnt change the textures actually.so its not executing the functions i think |
| 16:00.38 | TS|Skrom | did you setup an <OnEvent> in your XML |
| 16:00.39 | Josh_Borke | lock |
| 16:00.44 | TS|Skrom | to call the OnEvent function? |
| 16:00.52 | cogwheel | textures = { Warrior = "Interface\\AddOns\\CCI\\Icons\\Warrior", Priest = "Interface\\AddOns\\CCI\\Icons\\Priest" .... etc... } |
| 16:00.52 | Silph_ | cogwheel: I had trouble as it is doing this simple script :P |
| 16:01.10 | cogwheel | Silph_: when you simplify, it'll be easier to debug :P |
| 16:01.23 | Silph_ | Ill paste the xml file too |
| 16:03.01 | Silph_ | XML => http://pastey.net/1599 |
| 16:04.13 | TS|Skrom | check your framexml..log for any errors? |
| 16:04.42 | cogwheel | Silph_: this is functionally identical to what you had originally pasteyed: http://pastey.net/1600 |
| 16:05.09 | Xuerian | Damnit cog, did you re-write it already? |
| 16:05.13 | TS|Skrom | lol gogo cog |
| 16:05.33 | Xuerian | Uh, you're not checking for party member existing :P |
| 16:05.34 | cogwheel | Xuerian: take a look... it's only 3 lines of code... |
| 16:05.46 | cogwheel | true... that's easy enough to add |
| 16:06.05 | Xuerian | he also needs to rename his files "WARRIOR", etc, to use english instead of local classes :| |
| 16:06.36 | cogwheel | UnitClass isn't localized? |
| 16:06.48 | Xuerian | UnitClass returns LocalClass, EnglishClass |
| 16:06.50 | cogwheel | Checks for UnitExists:http://pastey.net/1601 |
| 16:07.07 | cogwheel | s/:/: / |
| 16:07.10 | Xuerian | using englishclass would make it portable :D |
| 16:07.11 | Silph_ | 116 lines was converted into 16 :S |
| 16:08.06 | Industrial | does OnEvent fire for every event? |
| 16:08.16 | Silph_ | now what does line 8 in cogs code do? |
| 16:08.22 | Xuerian | http://pastey.net/1603 |
| 16:08.34 | TS|Skrom | loops four times |
| 16:08.37 | Beladona | Industrial: every event that the frame in question is registered for |
| 16:08.44 | cogwheel | http://pastey.net/1604 |
| 16:08.56 | Xuerian | Line eight iterates through all party members. There's only four "party#", because you're not technically a party member |
| 16:09.05 | Industrial | im used to handling every event separately with ace :P |
| 16:09.21 | cogwheel | Xuerian: the difference between yours and mine is that mine stops looping after the first non-existent party member |
| 16:09.33 | Xuerian | Good point |
| 16:10.34 | Industrial | are the icon texture names localized? |
| 16:10.40 | cogwheel | no |
| 16:11.01 | Industrial | UnitClass returns an english one then |
| 16:11.13 | Industrial | oh that was already said hehe |
| 16:11.14 | cogwheel | Industrial: we had that conversation :P |
| 16:11.16 | Xuerian | :P |
| 16:11.36 | cogwheel | Lua 5.1 version: http://pastey.net/1605 ;) |
| 16:12.05 | Silph_ | guys im very new to coding..so im trying to understand everyline |
| 16:12.17 | cogwheel | Silph_: then don't pay attention to the last one i posted... |
| 16:12.18 | Xuerian | Could also do GetNumPartyMembers instead of checking if it existed |
| 16:12.23 | cogwheel | it'll only confuse you... |
| 16:12.25 | cogwheel | sorry :( |
| 16:12.31 | Industrial | cogwheel: select? didnt know that |
| 16:12.41 | Xuerian | is select 5.1 only? |
| 16:12.43 | cogwheel | Industrial: coming in WoW 2.0 |
| 16:12.48 | Xavalia | Industrial, do you happen to be dutch by any chance? |
| 16:12.50 | Xuerian | dammit >_< |
| 16:12.53 | Industrial | hmm you know what would be nice? func()[2] |
| 16:12.58 | Industrial | Xavalia: yeah i am, why? |
| 16:13.05 | Xuerian | select(2, func()) o_0 |
| 16:13.11 | cogwheel | Industrial: that's basically what select does |
| 16:13.11 | Xavalia | Industrial, I think you know me better under the name 'Lamex' |
| 16:13.19 | Industrial | XoZOMG |
| 16:13.29 | Xavalia | :> |
| 16:13.30 | Industrial | heh missed a tab completion there |
| 16:13.36 | Industrial | wtf how you doin man |
| 16:13.37 | Industrial | :D |
| 16:13.42 | Xavalia | am doing ok |
| 16:13.43 | Silph_ | " for i = 1, 4 do " <-dont fully get that one |
| 16:13.43 | TS|Skrom | *gasp* select is neat |
| 16:13.44 | Xuerian | Silph_: I'll comment it all for you :) |
| 16:14.07 | Silph_ | ty :D |
| 16:14.15 | cogwheel | Silph_: http://www.lua.org/pil/ |
| 16:14.17 | Xavalia | Industrial, btw I never see any of you guys in the TI comp room.. |
| 16:14.18 | Industrial | Xavalia: wait bbl tho sorry :< fewd at moms :D |
| 16:14.25 | Xavalia | hehe ok |
| 16:14.27 | cogwheel | the for statement is a very basic part of the lua language |
| 16:14.33 | Industrial | Xavalia: im not attending HVA yet, 1 more year. |
| 16:14.43 | Xavalia | ah ok |
| 16:14.54 | Industrial | Xavalia: I quit my dw account at some point cause i was only leeching and that wasnt nice to dodo, had no other reason to stay |
| 16:15.05 | Industrial | im not leeching koen.it :P |
| 16:15.08 | Industrial | now* |
| 16:15.10 | Xavalia | yeah happened to the irc server? |
| 16:15.16 | Industrial | dunno is it offline? |
| 16:15.19 | Xavalia | been unable to get on it for like a year |
| 16:15.30 | Industrial | a year? wow |
| 16:15.35 | Xavalia | meh ok not that long |
| 16:15.40 | Xavalia | hmm like 8 months |
| 16:15.54 | Industrial | about right, http is still there |
| 16:16.01 | Industrial | but anyway, bbl in 1-2 hours |
| 16:16.03 | Xavalia | ok |
| 16:16.40 | cogwheel | Silph_: did you make your own custom Icons? |
| 16:17.26 | Silph_ | not really. just didnt like the ones used from the games files so i decided to use other ones |
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| 16:17.50 | cogwheel | Ok... that's what i was wondering |
| 16:17.56 | Xuerian | Silph_: http://pastey.net/1607 |
| 16:18.04 | Xuerian | Cog's 5.0 code commented :) |
| 16:18.11 | Silph_ | but they are still from WoW, just different icons for every class. pallys icons for example is the judgment helm |
| 16:18.42 | cogwheel | Silph_: you don't need to have your own files then |
| 16:18.49 | cogwheel | use the built-in ones for those icons |
| 16:19.03 | Xuerian | BLPViewer is excellent for finding which icon you want |
| 16:19.14 | Silph_ | Xuerian: reading it |
| 16:19.58 | cogwheel | Silph_: Get this program: http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/wow/addons-180-1-blp2-viewer.html Load->MPQ then brows to your WoW\Data folder and open Interface.mpq |
| 16:20.05 | Silph_ | first i dont want to change the game files, second thing is that i couldnt understand how DUF linked to the icons in the games files. so i just hide the class icons and used dart |
| 16:20.22 | Silph_ | <- Using a mac here :P |
| 16:20.28 | cogwheel | :( |
| 16:20.37 | TS|Skrom | my thouights as well |
| 16:20.40 | TS|Skrom | eww a mac |
| 16:20.44 | Silph_ | zomg! |
| 16:20.59 | cogwheel | Silph_: all the built-in icons are accessed in the same manner as out-of game icons, you just have to know the correct path |
| 16:21.12 | Xuerian | Silph_: And that's what the program cogwheel linked is for :p |
| 16:21.17 | cogwheel | I'm not opposed to macs... it'll just be really hard for us to help you... |
| 16:21.28 | Xuerian | It lets you browse (albeit akwardly) through all textures in the game |
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| 16:22.06 | TS|Skrom | lol I like getting cogwheel in trouble :P I don't know his opinions of macs from adam |
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| 16:22.18 | Silph_ | thats why I had to use a seperate script, cant view the textures |
| 16:22.29 | Xuerian | Get blpviewer then ) |
| 16:22.34 | Xuerian | s/)/:)/ |
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| 16:23.14 | Kaso | Quote from Reuter's website : Reuters: Banking and finance in SL seems a bit like the wild west, with little to no regulation, and people relying on trust and reputation. Would u agree? |
| 16:23.25 | Kaso | Ive lost faith in conventional media :< |
| 16:23.48 | Xuerian | In SL? second life? And did they REALLY use "u"? >_> |
| 16:23.56 | cogwheel | and what's different about "relying on trust and reputation" compared to what we have? |
| 16:24.08 | Kaso | yah second life, and yes they used "U" |
| 16:24.16 | Kaso | http://secondlife.reuters.com/stories/2006/10/12/nicholas-portocarrero/ |
| 16:24.33 | Xuerian | That's insulting on so many levels. |
| 16:24.39 | TS|Skrom | wow... that's just....wow... |
| 16:25.28 | Xuerian | Ooh, I like their little news ticker thing though. |
| 16:26.01 | TS|Skrom | placated eh? |
| 16:26.23 | Xuerian | No, coder's add |
| 16:26.23 | Xuerian | :p |
| 16:26.26 | cogwheel | You know, the stupidest thing about that is the fact that modern banks work EXACTLY the same way... They give out loans, pay salaries, etc. based on deposits. The government requires banks only to have a fraction of the deposits in cash. |
| 16:27.23 | cogwheel | We merely "trust" that the banks will have enough cash available to cover our withdrawls. If they don't, then the almighty federal government pays us up to $100,000 in "insurance" (aka tax) money. |
| 16:27.42 | Xuerian | ADD* ... And yeah. That's just retarded o_0 |
| 16:29.08 | Xuerian | http://secondlife.reuters.com/stories/2006/10/15/us-congress-launchs-probe-into-virtual-economies/ |
| 16:29.13 | Xuerian | KMA, congress. |
| 16:29.54 | cogwheel | It is kinda neat that Reuters has a whole section on SL... |
| 16:29.56 | tyroney|work | At least there's one good thing about having little money. |
| 16:30.33 | Xuerian | Well, with 500k of money flowing through it daily, it is a decently sized economy o_0 |
| 16:31.15 | cogwheel | This angers me more than the flame wars from the 2.0 changes: "Booming virtual economies in online worlds ... have drawn the attention of [congress], which is investigating how virtual assets and incomes should be taxed." |
| 16:31.34 | cogwheel | The phrase "don't tread on me" comes to mind :( |
| 16:31.38 | |FF|Im2good4u | i think blizzart should make bank bag slots for free ! |
| 16:32.11 | |FF|Im2good4u | the prizes are so high the ppl make and bank alt anyway |
| 16:32.12 | Xuerian | cogwheel: My line of thought exactly |
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| 16:32.48 | Xuerian | Don't try to control what you don't understand is my second line of thought |
| 16:33.06 | cogwheel | Don't try to control ... period is my first... |
| 16:33.08 | cogwheel | ;) |
| 16:33.11 | Xuerian | Of course =| |
| 16:33.57 | Xuerian | though if I have a choice between old withered goons or people who play and work in SL making decisions on this, I'd go with the latter =| |
| 16:36.33 | cogwheel | I like the stance CCP has taken with eve-online... It's basically "anything goes" within the mechanics of the game. (i was really miffed when blizzard banned casinos -- no i didn't operate one) |
| 16:37.40 | cogwheel | http://www.mmodig.com/?p=155 |
| 16:38.52 | Mery | I think the only 2 reasons they banned casinos was 1) scamming (ok this could be community resolved) 2) SPAM. rolling and advertising |
| 16:39.27 | Mery | s/was/were |
| 16:41.06 | Mery | and well in my (ex)-guild there are enough that still operate casinios during wait times lol |
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| 16:42.08 | Xuerian | cogwheel: EVE was really fun, just got boring fast. It was neat to compete in player held contests and such |
| 16:46.27 | Silph_ | http://pastey.net/1608 have some minor questions |
| 16:47.55 | cogwheel | pastey seems to have gone kaput for me |
| 16:47.58 | cogwheel | :( |
| 16:49.04 | |FF|Im2good4u | works for me |
| 16:49.14 | |FF|Im2good4u | wus the prob silph_ |
| 16:49.52 | cogwheel | Silph_: your last question was answered in this channel ;) |
| 16:50.00 | cogwheel | UnitName returns two values: |
| 16:50.20 | cogwheel | s/Name/Class/ |
| 16:50.37 | cogwheel | LocalName, EnglishName = UnitClass(unit) |
| 16:51.07 | cogwheel | the line: local _, class = UnitClass(unit) |
| 16:51.30 | cogwheel | stores LocalName in the _ variable (a throwaway value) and the EnglishName in the class variabl |
| 16:51.48 | Xuerian | Silph_: wowwiki.com/World_of_Warcraft_API . As for the spanish question, no, that's the whole point of what cog is explaining :) |
| 16:51.59 | Xuerian | 'mornign Cairenn :P |
| 16:52.06 | Xuerian | s/ign/ing/ |
| 16:52.16 | Cairenn | morning |
| 16:53.02 | Silph_ | aha! |
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| 16:58.12 | Silph_ | btw, will it matter if party2 in the UnitClass() is between quotations or not? |
| 16:59.05 | Mery | you gotta pass a string (that means yes you need quotations) |
| 16:59.17 | Xuerian | unit ID's are strings |
| 16:59.20 | Xuerian | So yes :P |
| 16:59.57 | Xuerian | All Unit*() functions depend on ID's which are such as "player" "target" "raid#" "party#" "mouseover" :) |
| 17:00.05 | Silph_ | aha, so when i place ..i after "party", it will place the i value inside the quotation |
| 17:00.29 | Mery | kind of yes |
| 17:00.34 | zenzelezz | strictly speaking it won't put it there, but it will assemble the value you want |
| 17:01.48 | Xuerian | .. just joins strings. "a".."b".."cd" is the same as "abcd" |
| 17:03.58 | Silph_ | mm..lets say i have i=1,5 ..and want a texture named X to be loaded from differnt folders..the code should be something like DART_Texture(55+i, "Interface\\AddOns\\CCI\\"..i"\\X") |
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| 17:04.20 | Xuerian | ..i.. |
| 17:04.41 | Silph_ | ART_Texture(55+i, "Interface\\AddOns\\CCI\\"..i.."\\X") then |
| 17:04.42 | Xuerian | think of .. like glue :) |
| 17:04.54 | Silph_ | hehe, glue... |
| 17:04.57 | Silph_ | nice! |
| 17:05.16 | Xuerian | Yes, that would work |
| 17:05.44 | Silph_ | hehe..im loving LUA :P |
| 17:06.06 | Silph_ | it would have saved me shitload of time if I knew all this hours ago :P |
| 17:06.21 | Hexarobi | interepreted ftw |
| 17:06.22 | cogwheel | :) |
| 17:06.38 | Xuerian | Trust me, keep the Widget API, Wow API, and LUA manual pages open at all times. |
| 17:06.43 | Xuerian | Saves a shitload of time while learning :) |
| 17:06.45 | Silph_ | i do :S |
| 17:07.05 | Silph_ | along with ALOT of other lua files that im trying to understand |
| 17:07.06 | Xuerian | Well, and this channel :P |
| 17:07.08 | Xuerian | lol |
| 17:07.18 | Xuerian | What are you using to edit them? |
| 17:07.36 | Silph_ | SubEthaEdit |
| 17:07.48 | Xuerian | So long as it has lua highlighting :p |
| 17:08.39 | Silph_ | it supports lua, but i wish I could find a prog that I can highlight a selection |
| 17:08.56 | Silph_ | kinda to break down the code to understand it better |
| 17:12.09 | Hexarobi | highlight a selection? |
| 17:13.41 | TS|Skrom | lol my forum sig has better gear then I do |
| 17:14.15 | Silph_ | erm..lets say i have a very long function with alot of ifs and elseifs, i want to be able to select that whole function and highlight it..like you do with a highlight pen or marker |
| 17:14.19 | TS|Skrom | (ps this is new to me, I just hit 60) |
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| 17:23.38 | tyroney|work | Silph_: I think generally that's the point of indentation. Though saying that is getting in to personal preference. But you might try a wider tab-stop. (or more spaces, if you don't use tabs like me.) |
| 17:24.14 | tyroney|work | (fi you don't use tabs as I don't use tabs) |
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| 17:24.57 | Kirkburn | This is a nice video, life-affirming :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knEIM16NuPg |
| 17:29.15 | Kirkburn | Someone asked yesterday (ckknight?) ... "we intend for AV scaling and the brackets will be 60-69 and 70. " |
| 17:29.26 | Silph_ | hmm..sounds like an idea tyroney |
| 17:29.41 | Xuerian | ck wasn't on yesterday, afaik.... Earthquake in hawaii and all |
| 17:29.43 | Josh_Borke | Kirkburn: that sounds like a bad idea to me |
| 17:30.02 | Kirkburn | ckknight is in Hawaii?? |
| 17:30.05 | Josh_Borke | yes |
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| 17:30.17 | Kirkburn | Wow, didn't know that. |
| 17:30.21 | Cairenn | yeah |
| 17:30.28 | cogwheel | Do ScrollFrames have a bit of padding at the bottom that we can't get rid of? I tired a simple scroll frame and added 6 items to it, but it always seems to scroll past the last item by about 50 pixels or so... |
| 17:30.38 | Josh_Borke | i think blizzard should have a plateau at 60, then a 61-69 bracket, then 70 |
| 17:30.54 | Kirkburn | It was only a small EQ, though? Josh_Borke, I agree |
| 17:31.06 | Bela|work | you sure they aren't doing that? |
| 17:31.06 | Hexarobi | 6.6 |
| 17:31.06 | Kirkburn | At least a 60 only bracket for those without the expansion, anyway |
| 17:31.19 | Bela|work | it would only make sense since non-expansion users will be 60 max right? |
| 17:31.27 | Kirkburn | Hmm, 6.6 is large, but it very much depends |
| 17:31.28 | Josh_Borke | exactly |
| 17:31.36 | Bela|work | easy = 60 |
| 17:31.39 | Hexarobi | last i heard was no fatalaties |
| 17:31.41 | Bela|work | medium = 61-69 |
| 17:31.44 | Hexarobi | lots of scapes |
| 17:31.44 | Bela|work | hard = 70 |
| 17:31.59 | Hexarobi | but i dont understand how there was an earthquake in hawaii |
| 17:32.05 | Hexarobi | theres no plate techtonics going on there |
| 17:32.10 | Hexarobi | it must have been volcanic |
| 17:32.25 | Hexarobi | maybe the volcano is gunna erupt |
| 17:34.02 | Kirkburn | 'the volcano' doesn't really apple for Hawaii, y'know :P |
| 17:34.07 | Josh_Borke | bah, lunch time! |
| 17:34.13 | Kirkburn | More 'one of the many volcanoes' ;) |
| 17:34.35 | Kirkburn | (I meant apply, er, not apple) (mmm, apple) |
| 17:35.54 | Legorol | scrollframes 101: |
| 17:36.13 | Legorol | a ScrollFrame has a size like any frame, and it also has "childrect" |
| 17:36.29 | cogwheel | childrect = <ScrollChild>? |
| 17:36.37 | Legorol | the childrect is a union of the rects of all elements that appears in ScrollChild or their children |
| 17:36.55 | Kirkburn | Oooh, that's good - they've sorted out the fact that EU blizzcon attendees couldn't use their beta keys in the EU :) |
| 17:37.02 | Legorol | yup Kirkburn |
| 17:37.26 | Legorol | cogwheel: afaik <ScrollChild> element itself only allows one Frame entry (or Button or whatever), but that can have its own children |
| 17:37.46 | Legorol | let's call the frame that appears directly in ScrollChild the "master frame" |
| 17:37.49 | Kirkburn | Did you know there's a blood elf NPC in the expansion called .... Haris Pilton? :P |
| 17:38.11 | Legorol | if the children of the master frame exceed the rects of the master frame, e.g. a child is anchored to its right, it's included in what's considered the "childrect" |
| 17:38.18 | Legorol | that's what i was trying to say with the union thing |
| 17:38.32 | cogwheel | right |
| 17:39.04 | Legorol | however, the scrollframe doesn't know anything about reanchoring or resizing elements, so to force it to reevaluate the childrect, you call scrollframe:UpdateScrollChildRecct() |
| 17:39.10 | Bela|work | Kirkburn: don't forget Opherah Windfree (Or something similar) |
| 17:39.19 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 17:39.23 | Legorol | now, step 2, how does the scrollframe use the childrect |
| 17:39.56 | Legorol | the scrollframe's actual size is the viewport, which always shows a subsectin of the childrect |
| 17:40.06 | Legorol | this is accomplished by offsetting the childrect relative to the viewport |
| 17:40.23 | Kirkburn | It must be hell for Iriel keeping "2.0.0 Changes - Concise List" up to date :P /pats Iriel |
| 17:40.24 | Legorol | the default offest is 0,0, which causes the topleft portion of the childrect to appear in the viewport |
| 17:40.29 | Legorol | makes sense so far? |
| 17:41.00 | cogwheel | Yeah... I mostly gathered this intuitively |
| 17:41.06 | Legorol | you change the offset via scrollframe:SetVertical/HorizontalOffset |
| 17:41.26 | Legorol | a positive vertical offset means the childrect moves upwards relative to the viewport |
| 17:41.38 | Legorol | so that's all the basics, i am sure you knew most of that |
| 17:41.56 | cogwheel | Actually, i never saw the SetXXXXXOffset stuff... :| |
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| 17:42.07 | Legorol | let me double check that's the right method name |
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| 17:42.35 | Legorol | sorry it's SetVertical/HorizontalScroll |
| 17:43.09 | Legorol | when calling SetVerticalScroll etc., no check is made on the numbers |
| 17:43.20 | Legorol | you can therefore move the childrect completely out of view even if you wish |
| 17:43.43 | Legorol | it really is just a simple offset mechanism, equivalent to suitable SetPoint calls |
| 17:44.12 | Legorol | the only difference from SetPoint is that only the portion of the childrect that is in the viewport is visible |
| 17:44.21 | Legorol | one last thing: |
| 17:44.39 | Legorol | calling SetVerticalScroll triggers <OnVerticalScroll>, providid you called it with a number that is not equal to what it was before |
| 17:45.01 | Legorol | so e.g. SetVerticalScroll(GetVerticalScroll()) doesn't trigger <OnVerticalScroll> |
| 17:45.13 | Legorol | (this is actually important, otherwise default blizz UI would cause infinite loops :D) |
| 17:45.50 | cogwheel | Stack overflow 4tw! |
| 17:45.54 | Legorol | the remaining interesting methods are GetVerticalScrollRange (and Horizontal) |
| 17:46.23 | Legorol | it's a positive value, and is a sane upper bound that you shouldn't exceed with SetVerticalScroll, calculated based on the size of scrollframe and childrect |
| 17:46.32 | Legorol | but there is no check made for it. |
| 17:46.38 | Legorol | if i remember right, it's simply the value of: |
| 17:46.55 | Legorol | math.max(childrect:GetHeight() - scrollframe:GetHeight(), 0) |
| 17:47.28 | Legorol | (again, note that childrect here is NOT the master frame defined as ScrollChild, but the union of the master frame and all its children) |
| 17:48.04 | Legorol | now on to the default blizz UI ScrollFrameTemplate |
| 17:48.20 | Legorol | that's basically using the above mechanisms, together with a scrollbar with arrows etc. |
| 17:48.33 | cogwheel | I basically get the scrollbar implementation |
| 17:48.34 | Legorol | when you change the scrollbar, it appropraitely calls SetVerticalScroll on the scrollframe |
| 17:48.38 | Legorol | ok |
| 17:48.47 | cogwheel | it's just a slider that calls SetVertical/Horizontal scroll |
| 17:48.50 | Legorol | yup |
| 17:48.57 | Legorol | but the funny part is there is information flow both ways |
| 17:49.07 | cogwheel | that's where OnVerticalScroll comes in? |
| 17:49.30 | Legorol | scrollframe:SetVerticalScroll -> OnVerticalScroll -> scrollbar:SetValue -> scrollframe:SetVerticalScroll |
| 17:49.47 | Legorol | it would be an endless loop if it wasn't for the behaviour of SetVerticalScroll mentioned earlier |
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| 17:49.58 | cogwheel | Right |
| 17:50.17 | Silph_ | are xml reloaded too when the UI is reloaded too? |
| 17:50.23 | Legorol | yes |
| 17:50.36 | Legorol | the rest of the template takes care of communicating the scrollrange to the scrollbar and stuff like that |
| 17:51.30 | Legorol | so conceptually: |
| 17:51.30 | Legorol | childrect evaluated -> scrollrange calculated (childrect height-scrollframe height) -> communicated to scrollbar |
| 17:52.35 | Legorol | this path is triggered by a scrollframe:UpdateScrollChildRect() call, and is done thanks to scrollframe's <OnScrollRangeChange> |
| 17:53.05 | Legorol | ok, end of lecture |
| 17:53.14 | Legorol | i suspect your issue is somewhere among that info |
| 17:53.18 | cogwheel | :\ |
| 17:53.27 | Legorol | your child rect might be bigger than you think, |
| 17:53.40 | cogwheel | That's the only thing i can think of, but I can't see why... |
| 17:53.42 | Legorol | you are not updatting/calculating sensible values for SetVerticalScroll correctly or something |
| 17:54.00 | Legorol | oh, and if you try to put an editbox inside a scrollframe, that's a real pain |
| 17:54.03 | cogwheel | I'm not even using any of my own code "yet" |
| 17:54.06 | Legorol | it has its own problems and peculiarities |
| 17:54.09 | cogwheel | one sec and i'll pastey |
| 17:54.12 | Legorol | cool |
| 17:54.19 | cogwheel | (having to redo my test case since it's at home) |
| 17:55.18 | Legorol | without having seen your code, my first guess would be incorrect height set on the master frame |
| 17:55.47 | cogwheel | actually, i'm using a dummy height & width of 1 since i figured the childrect was being automatically calculated |
| 17:55.57 | cogwheel | based on its children |
| 17:56.10 | Legorol | ok |
| 17:56.16 | Legorol | that works |
| 17:56.46 | cogwheel | I tried it without a size, but then the frame didn't show up at all :) |
| 17:56.56 | Legorol | hehe |
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| 17:58.24 | Kirkburn | Wow, I almost didn't notice you log in to test! |
| 17:58.32 | cogwheel | XD |
| 17:59.51 | Legorol | logging in to wow from work ftw, |
| 17:59.57 | Legorol | all machines running linux at work ftl |
| 18:00.08 | cogwheel | Wine 4tw |
| 18:00.34 | Legorol | and cheese? |
| 18:02.47 | subbawt | What is the API call to talk to an NPC? I'm looking at the Gossip Functions, and there's a CloseGossip but no OpenGossip or anything. |
| 18:02.59 | Legorol | there isnt one |
| 18:03.02 | subbawt | lame |
| 18:03.15 | Legorol | or rather technically there is, but it's protected |
| 18:03.31 | Legorol | it's TurnOrActionStart, the function executed in response to an r-click |
| 18:04.42 | Kirkburn | I must say, the new spell effects are cool |
| 18:04.56 | Kirkburn | (and they are for more than just BC spells :D) |
| 18:05.25 | Legorol | Seal of Righteousness doesn't have a sound effect last time i checked |
| 18:05.36 | Kirkburn | Having said that, you know what's annoying ... half the people on here already know this stuff ;) |
| 18:05.46 | Legorol | Kirkburn: you in beta? |
| 18:05.56 | Kirkburn | No :( |
| 18:06.13 | Legorol | saw a video or something? |
| 18:06.21 | Kirkburn | Yup, lots of vids on youtube |
| 18:06.34 | Legorol | i had to cast a few seals to actualy realise they changed :D |
| 18:06.38 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 18:07.15 | Legorol | remote desktop solutions ftw |
| 18:07.51 | cogwheel | I miss its speed loading wow more than anything on it XD |
| 18:10.16 | cogwheel | Ok, Legorol... here's a "simple" test case for my problem. None of my own Lua or XML templates--all built-in stuff. Just plug this XML into any addon's toc (or make a new one). http://wowi.pastey.net/1612 |
| 18:12.04 | Legorol | hm, let me see if i can get wow runnign |
| 18:12.22 | Kirkburn | Remote desktop WoW? |
| 18:12.37 | Kirkburn | I suppose that's not as weird as it sounds :P |
| 18:12.48 | Kirkburn | We're *all* remote desktopping WoW in a way :) |
| 18:13.21 | Legorol | how tall is MerchantItemTemplate? |
| 18:13.22 | Kirkburn | Can you remote desktop a remote desktop? |
| 18:13.39 | Legorol | i don't see why not.. |
| 18:13.43 | Legorol | i have done nested VNC before |
| 18:13.56 | Bela|work | if you are talking about RDP as in microsoft, no |
| 18:13.59 | Legorol | i even connected it in a loop, you get the effect like you get when pointing camera at TV |
| 18:14.03 | Bela|work | it doesn't support RDP within RDP |
| 18:14.22 | Kirkburn | Aww, Legorol's idea sounds fun :P |
| 18:14.34 | Bela|work | RDP within VNC though... |
| 18:14.37 | cogwheel | MerchantItemTemplate is 44 pixels high. The -8 y offset between instances gives a total of 52 px |
| 18:14.58 | cogwheel | hmmm.... |
| 18:15.44 | Silph_ | ok..so I register the even in a function, and call on the function in the <OnLoad> tag...yet it doesnt seem to register |
| 18:16.20 | cogwheel | MerchantFrame.xml: 24: Looks like there's a texture that's 78 high... could that be causing it? |
| 18:17.43 | Josh_Borke | Bela|work: i've used RDP within RDP |
| 18:19.21 | Bela|work | funny, coulda sworn it gave an error |
| 18:19.27 | cogwheel | Legorol: I didn't write your name in my last message so... ping sorta :) |
| 18:19.29 | Bela|work | I can test it right now |
| 18:20.37 | Legorol | cogwheel: thanks |
| 18:20.53 | Bela|work | ahh it does work. I think it musta been XP or something that it doesn't work on |
| 18:20.57 | Bela|work | but server 2003 it works fine |
| 18:21.10 | Legorol | cogwheel: if you have an invisible but tall texture as part of the merchantitem, yes it will cause the bottommost one to extend the bototm of the childrect |
| 18:21.17 | cogwheel | :\ |
| 18:21.25 | cogwheel | that's the built-in template... |
| 18:21.36 | Legorol | *shrug* |
| 18:21.40 | Legorol | bad design |
| 18:21.46 | Legorol | no idea how they get around it in default code |
| 18:22.36 | Kirkburn | Intriguing: "Miners will also find some creatures of the Outlands to yield harvestable minerals when killed." |
| 18:23.14 | cogwheel | Legorol: MerchantItems aren't used in any scrollframes ;) |
| 18:23.15 | zenzelezz | miners become organ thieves? |
| 18:23.17 | Josh_Borke | o.O that's cool |
| 18:23.20 | cogwheel | in the default ui |
| 18:23.27 | Kirkburn | Oooh, cool! Tailors get nets to throw! |
| 18:23.39 | Kirkburn | (but you have to be a tailor to use it) |
| 18:23.53 | Kirkburn | Similarly: "Herbalists can expect to find plant-based monsters beyond the Dark Portal from which a trained herbalist will be able to harvest herbs, much like a skinner skins beasts." |
| 18:24.20 | Josh_Borke | what's a guy do that can skin and herb? any plant based skinnable creatures? ^_^ |
| 18:25.53 | cogwheel | Legorol: Well, since the problem is with the MerchantItemTemplate and not with my particular attempt, then this shouldn't cause me too many problems. I'm planning to instantiate the TrackingItems in Lua code and since that texture is named, it shouldn't be too hard to change it to a better size and use TexCoords to make it look the same |
| 18:26.05 | Legorol | Kirkburn: that sounds cool! |
| 18:26.18 | Legorol | do note that i have seen very little of the actual content, and i haven't been beyond the dark portal |
| 18:26.38 | Kaso | You know the new enemy cast bars? Do they appear under the Nameplates for all units, or just those who are currently your target? |
| 18:26.42 | Legorol | cogwheel: sounds like a plan |
| 18:26.52 | Kirkburn | Btw, here's the link to the preview :D http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/burningcrusade/townhall/professions.html |
| 18:27.00 | Legorol | Kaso: last i've seen it appeared under the TargetFrame |
| 18:27.01 | Kirkburn | Kaso, under the nameplate |
| 18:27.06 | Kirkburn | Er, yeah, I meant that |
| 18:27.11 | Legorol | it can appear under nameplates? |
| 18:27.14 | Legorol | i got to try that |
| 18:27.15 | Kirkburn | Under the targetframe :P |
| 18:27.48 | Kaso | im sure i saw a screenshot of them benith the nameplate |
| 18:28.09 | Kaso | http://elektron.ewi.tudelft.nl/~chkwok30/oekaboe/enemycast.jpg |
| 18:28.12 | cogwheel | Legorol: one last question: Is OnScrollRangeChanged caused by calling UpdateChildRect? |
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| 18:29.18 | Legorol | cogwheel: yes |
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| 18:29.31 | Legorol | i don't remember if it is called if the childrect's size hasn't changed |
| 18:29.35 | Legorol | it's quite possible it isn't |
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| 18:31.41 | Nathan` | when does kirk come on? |
| 18:32.07 | Legorol | captain variety? |
| 18:32.16 | Legorol | or the garden variety, which is on |
| 18:33.00 | Kirkburn | Beam me up, Scotty. |
| 18:33.11 | Nathan` | well |
| 18:33.22 | Nathan` | you're here i dont have to register an account on here |
| 18:33.23 | Nathan` | :< |
| 18:33.33 | Nathan` | i have a question |
| 18:34.15 | Kirkburn | I thought it was a banana .... go on .... :) |
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| 18:34.40 | Nathan` | with clear font on and i change stances equip an item or mount my fps drops to 0 and i freeze |
| 18:35.11 | Legorol | i think some delimiters would boost the comprehensibility of that sentence |
| 18:35.41 | Kaso | Legorol: are you on bc beta? |
| 18:35.49 | Legorol | did you mean: with clear font on, when I change stance, equip an item or mount, my fps drops to 0 and i freeze |
| 18:36.14 | Kaso | ha |
| 18:36.37 | Kirkburn | Nathan`, I have no idea, to be perfectly honest. Is this without any other addons active? |
| 18:36.38 | Kaso | check out the Nameplate casting bar things for me, i wanna know if they only show for target, or all units with nameplates, pretty please |
| 18:37.09 | Legorol | the screenshot looks convincing |
| 18:37.11 | Kirkburn | Ack, I made a mistake when I said that y'know :P |
| 18:37.12 | Nathan` | http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/4924/addons1hm4.jpg |
| 18:37.16 | Nathan` | there you go kirk |
| 18:37.41 | Legorol | Kaso: since you got me curious, i will next time i'm near BC |
| 18:37.45 | Kirkburn | zomg, I was right, Kaso/Legorol? Woah! |
| 18:37.51 | Kaso | thanks |
| 18:37.55 | Kaso | right? |
| 18:38.16 | Kirkburn | I'll have to make up random cool things in future and see it in a screenshot 10 mins later :P |
| 18:38.21 | Kaso | haha |
| 18:38.23 | Kaso | :> |
| 18:38.52 | lalla521 | heya every1 |
| 18:39.06 | Legorol | name me some mobs in Dun Morogh that cast |
| 18:39.12 | Kirkburn | Nathan`, can you try disabling everything except ClearFont and see if it still happens? |
| 18:39.27 | Kaso | ive never leveled a gnome or dwarf :< |
| 18:39.32 | Kirkburn | Lolozzz364, I bet he casts |
| 18:39.51 | Nathan` | ill try it |
| 18:40.01 | Kirkburn | (whatever happened to RP names, eh :( ) |
| 18:40.27 | Kirkburn | lalla521, this isn't a dig at you, I promise :P |
| 18:40.28 | Nathan` | you guys want to see an awesome trinket :< |
| 18:40.42 | Nathan` | its like blackhands breadth |
| 18:41.01 | Kirkburn | Only ... made of chocolate? |
| 18:41.02 | lalla521 | lol |
| 18:41.17 | Kirkburn | Legorol, I can't actually think of any |
| 18:41.19 | Nathan` | I guess it could be made of chocolate since its so awesome |
| 18:41.28 | lalla521 | anyone here that can post on US ui forums? :P |
| 18:41.47 | Nathan` | trying to upload this screenshot to imageshack |
| 18:41.53 | Nathan` | but its being retarded |
| 18:41.57 | Kirkburn | (they should all be saying "me!" right now, but they're lazy buggers) |
| 18:42.06 | Josh_Borke | me! |
| 18:42.15 | Josh_Borke | DOH! |
| 18:42.17 | Josh_Borke | it was a trick! |
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| 18:42.31 | Nathan` | actually i found something kirk |
| 18:42.36 | Nathan` | http://forums.nurfed.com/showthread.php?t=12198 |
| 18:49.21 | Nathan` | http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/9200/wowscrnshot101606002945za2.jpg |
| 18:51.07 | lalla521 | can anyone tell me if there are some finalized infos about spellcasting in mods in wow 2.0 ? |
| 18:51.18 | lalla521 | cause the info on US ui forums says pratically nothing |
| 18:51.51 | Legorol | it says loads |
| 18:51.58 | Legorol | and if you read the UI files, they say even more |
| 18:52.02 | Legorol | but feel free to ask |
| 18:52.15 | Josh_Borke | you mean they commented the code?! o.O |
| 18:52.19 | Legorol | yup |
| 18:52.34 | lalla521 | nice |
| 18:52.37 | Legorol | the secure templates designed for addon authors are thoroughly commented, with examples |
| 18:52.43 | lalla521 | but i have to download BC beta client? |
| 18:52.45 | Legorol | however, some if it is fairly hairy stuff |
| 18:53.08 | Legorol | lalla521: what are you interested in specifically? |
| 18:53.15 | Legorol | lots of things are known already: |
| 18:53.21 | Legorol | no more intelligent spell/target selection |
| 18:53.21 | Josh_Borke | ooo, i like hairy stuff! |
| 18:53.41 | lalla521 | ye i know that |
| 18:54.10 | lalla521 | but i must maintain castoptions, wich will be totally broken and likely if it will ever continue to exist, will be a totally new mod |
| 18:54.22 | Legorol | some parts of castoptions won't be possible |
| 18:54.27 | Legorol | smart rank/party selection |
| 18:54.34 | Legorol | in fact probably most of it wont' be possible |
| 18:54.36 | lalla521 | i think 99% of CO will not be possible :\ |
| 18:54.44 | Legorol | yup |
| 18:54.56 | Gryphen | is blizz doing their own smart rank? |
| 18:54.59 | lalla521 | but for example there are nice things that i just would like to try |
| 18:55.02 | Josh_Borke | i see they updated TicTacToeFrame.lua. i wonder if it is implemented yet |
| 18:55.02 | Legorol | Gryphen: yes |
| 18:55.11 | lalla521 | for example casting lower rank when not enough mana |
| 18:55.19 | Legorol | that's not possible |
| 18:55.28 | lalla521 | :( i suspected that |
| 18:55.34 | Legorol | nothing is possible that requires decision |
| 18:55.58 | Josh_Borke | Legorol: do you know where thy talk about the new spellcast events? |
| 18:56.10 | lalla521 | events are listed in us UI forum |
| 18:56.22 | Josh_Borke | inside the lua files |
| 18:56.25 | Legorol | Josh_Borke: slouken posted that they exist, and Iriel included it in the changes thread |
| 18:56.27 | Legorol | that's all i know |
| 18:56.32 | Legorol | lots of people started trying them out |
| 18:56.42 | Legorol | Josh_Borke: they don't talk about them in the files |
| 18:56.50 | Josh_Borke | BAH! that's the code i want ;-) |
| 18:57.40 | lalla521 | do someone of you have a US account? :P |
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| 18:58.24 | Legorol | Josh_Borke: however, some people in beta have started to analyse them and post more info |
| 18:58.30 | Legorol | i saw a thread, let me see if i can find it again |
| 18:58.55 | Josh_Borke | gief me info! |
| 18:58.59 | Josh_Borke | purl, hug Legorol |
| 18:59.01 | purl | ACTION jumps into Legorol's lap and huggles and *hugs*! |
| 18:59.01 | Legorol | Josh_Borke: http://beta.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=291474&sid=2 |
| 19:03.00 | Josh_Borke | hm, i guess if you don't have a beta account, you can't post on the beta forums :-( |
| 19:06.32 | Legorol | Josh_Borke: i think so |
| 19:07.21 | Thunder_Child | you cant even log onto another forum (eg EU if you US) if your in the beta |
| 19:07.50 | Thunder_Child | s/you/your/ |
| 19:07.58 | Thunder_Child | .... |
| 19:08.40 | Thunder_Child | nope...nvm |
| 19:10.39 | Nathan` | well i fixed it kirk |
| 19:17.47 | Kirkburn | Nathan`, great to hear :) |
| 19:18.40 | Kirkburn | How? |
| 19:19.25 | Josh_Borke | who wants to take over my mod? ^_^ |
| 19:24.17 | Legorol | report on casting bars: |
| 19:24.27 | Legorol | it only shows up on the target frame, and under the nameplate of your current target |
| 19:24.35 | Legorol | if you clear target, it disappears from under the nameplate |
| 19:24.43 | Josh_Borke | so you can't get any from raid members? |
| 19:24.49 | Legorol | i haven't tried that :) |
| 19:24.56 | Legorol | only tried with enemies |
| 19:25.00 | Josh_Borke | i'm curious what the "player" field is |
| 19:25.15 | Josh_Borke | because that's all that's been posted about is "player" |
| 19:25.16 | Legorol | player field in what? |
| 19:25.23 | Josh_Borke | UNIT_SPELLCAST_START |
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| 19:25.29 | Legorol | link please |
| 19:25.34 | Legorol | and i will have a look |
| 19:28.49 | Legorol | Josh_Borke: did you mean UNIT_SPELLCAST_SENT? |
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| 19:31.11 | cogwheel | If you're planning on whining about the upcoming changes, please don't do it here... :| |
| 19:31.28 | SB1-Work | haha |
| 19:31.32 | SB1-Work | At least you're psychic ;) |
| 19:31.38 | ckknight | hey all |
| 19:31.53 | ckknight | turns out Hawaii had an earthquake that shut off power for a day |
| 19:32.06 | cogwheel | Seriously, though, all the worthwhile whining about it went on last weekend (as in the one before the one that just ended) |
| 19:32.09 | Thunder_Child | 6.6 |
| 19:32.26 | ckknight | (I'm in Hawaii) |
| 19:32.36 | ckknight | I woke up to it shaking my bed |
| 19:32.44 | SB1-Work | my only real whine is that I'll *have* to use my mouse now, and I'll *have* to chew up a good 30% of my screenspace. |
| 19:32.45 | ckknight | then spent the day playing board games and drinking |
| 19:32.59 | cogwheel | SB1-Work: lies |
| 19:33.07 | cogwheel | seriously, please go to the forums with this. |
| 19:33.22 | SB1-Work | Problem is, forums suck ;) |
| 19:33.27 | SB1-Work | But kk, I shall stfu on the matter |
| 19:33.33 | cogwheel | I just read a post about the mouse, and no, you won't have to fill your screen |
| 19:33.44 | SB1-Work | Link? |
| 19:34.41 | cogwheel | it's near the top and has "mouse" in the title... /sigh |
| 19:34.58 | cogwheel | you should also try the sticky |
| 19:35.04 | cogwheel | it answers many questions |
| 19:35.06 | SB1-Work | I've read them both |
| 19:35.25 | Bela|work | people here seem to forget that they can in fact see the contents of BC files without actually being in, or having the Beta client downloaded |
| 19:35.30 | Bela|work | http://wdn.wowinterface.com/compare/2005991/live |
| 19:35.40 | Bela|work | click a filename on the right to open code view |
| 19:36.35 | Bela|work | and then you can always download those files and look at them directly |
| 19:40.19 | ckknight | BabbleLib now supports zhTW |
| 19:40.43 | SB1-Work | afk, work calls. |
| 19:40.44 | SB1-Work | afk |
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| 19:42.42 | Corrodias | what's zhTW? |
| 19:43.15 | Kevorkian | zaney happy Tyrannasaurus watchers |
| 19:43.31 | cogwheel | zh is the abreviation of the chinese word for chinese |
| 19:43.31 | |FF|Im2good4u | is: Heal me! |
| 19:43.48 | cogwheel | TW i assume is Taiwan? (simplified chinese) |
| 19:43.58 | Corrodias | well, that explains what may be the origin of the abbreviation |
| 19:44.11 | Kevorkian | I like my idea better |
| 19:44.17 | Corrodias | is this a language, zhTW? |
| 19:44.22 | cogwheel | Corrodias: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simplified_chinese |
| 19:44.26 | Corrodias | how is it pronounced? zahtwah? :) |
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| 19:52.34 | Kirkburn | ckknight, is there much evidence of it about? |
| 19:52.38 | McScott | Hello? |
| 19:52.47 | ckknight | Kirkburn, no power for a day |
| 19:52.50 | ckknight | that's about it |
| 19:52.59 | ckknight | the main damage will have been on the big island |
| 19:53.05 | ckknight | not the main island, Oahu |
| 19:53.12 | ckknight | apparently one hospital was evacuated |
| 19:53.15 | McScott | Is this an official irc? |
| 19:53.17 | Kirkburn | :/ |
| 19:53.24 | ckknight | and all of Oahu went black |
| 19:53.25 | zenzelezz | official how? |
| 19:53.27 | Kirkburn | Official, no, most popular, yes |
| 19:53.37 | ckknight | that's arguable, Kirkburn |
| 19:53.44 | McScott | Okay uh... |
| 19:53.51 | Kirkburn | Let's not argue then :P |
| 19:53.51 | zenzelezz | official WoWInterface channel, I would think so. World of Warcraft, no |
| 19:53.53 | ckknight | I mean, #wowace has more members in than #wowi-lounge ;-) |
| 19:53.58 | McScott | I don't play WoW, but I have a question to ask. |
| 19:54.02 | ckknight | shoot |
| 19:54.05 | Kirkburn | Heathen! |
| 19:54.16 | McScott | I heard there were some free WoW servers you could play on... |
| 19:54.24 | Kirkburn | (hmm, someone should have said 'the' before my comment :) |
| 19:54.25 | ckknight | you will not get help from us about that. |
| 19:54.33 | zenzelezz | that topic is not allowed here Scott |
| 19:54.36 | McScott | Could you eventually transfer a character from one of those to the official one? |
| 19:54.40 | ckknight | no |
| 19:54.51 | Kirkburn | Most certainly not. |
| 19:54.53 | McScott | So you would be stuck on that server forever? |
| 19:55.02 | ckknight | essentially. |
| 19:55.08 | Kirkburn | Yes (and you would be playing illegally) |
| 19:55.09 | McScott | Then what's the point |
| 19:55.09 | McScott | ? |
| 19:55.20 | ckknight | to not pay $15 a month, probably |
| 19:55.20 | McScott | Oh, that's illegal? |
| 19:55.23 | ckknight | yes, it is. |
| 19:55.25 | ckknight | quite |
| 19:55.32 | McScott | Why are people doing it? |
| 19:55.41 | Kirkburn | Cos they're cheapskates |
| 19:55.41 | cogwheel | they're cheap |
| 19:55.43 | McScott | Why don't they get busted? |
| 19:55.44 | ckknight | because they don't want to pay blizzard $15/month, probably |
| 19:55.55 | ckknight | probably not economically worth it for Blizzard. |
| 19:55.59 | McScott | Hmm... |
| 19:56.05 | cogwheel | Usually the servers are in other countries |
| 19:56.05 | Kirkburn | It's hard to police, too |
| 19:56.20 | McScott | Well, I don't see the advantage of not playing if you can't transfer your character over anyway. |
| 19:56.31 | McScott | *not paying |
| 19:56.37 | Kirkburn | Good =) |
| 19:56.47 | Corrodias | you don't see the advantage... |
| 19:56.49 | McScott | Anyway, I was thinking about buying WoW. |
| 19:56.55 | Kirkburn | Also good =) |
| 19:56.56 | ckknight | it's fun ;-) |
| 19:56.59 | McScott | Is it actually fun, or just addicting? |
| 19:57.02 | Corrodias | McScott: run away now |
| 19:57.07 | McScott | It seems somewhat generic. |
| 19:57.09 | Kirkburn | Amazing fun! |
| 19:57.12 | Corrodias | you don't want to get involved |
| 19:57.18 | McScott | Heheh... |
| 19:57.20 | Kirkburn | Nay-sayer :P |
| 19:57.21 | lalla521 | fun till 60, then addicting only :| |
| 19:57.26 | cogwheel | It's addictive *because* it's fun |
| 19:57.32 | McScott | That South Park episode made me want to play it. |
| 19:57.34 | Corrodias | especially if you have anything else in your life that you care about |
| 19:57.35 | cogwheel | and don't listen to lalla521 :P |
| 19:57.47 | Kirkburn | McScott, the episode was surprisingly accurate :P |
| 19:57.53 | Corrodias | i spent 4 hours last night picking flowers, which i don't even enjoy, when i should have been asleep for class today |
| 19:57.59 | ckknight | The Sword of a Thousand Truths! |
| 19:58.01 | McScott | I've never played an MMORPG that you had to pay for. |
| 19:58.12 | ckknight | McScott, honestly, it's worth it for me |
| 19:58.13 | Cide | then you haven't played a true MMORPG :) |
| 19:58.16 | McScott | I always play ones that are in open beta or fully free. |
| 19:58.37 | Cide | ah, I guess you could play the betas. :) |
| 19:58.38 | Corrodias | i spent approximately 8 and one third cents to pick flowers |
| 19:58.40 | cogwheel | McScott: you can always get a 14-day trial |
| 19:58.41 | Corrodias | PICKING FLOWERS |
| 19:58.42 | ckknight | why pay $50 a month to buy a new game when I can just pay $15 a month and be content :-P |
| 19:58.45 | Kirkburn | I wouldn't describe it as particularly generic, in the same way LotR isn't a 'generic' fantasy book |
| 19:58.51 | McScott | $15 a month seems pretty steep though. |
| 19:59.02 | McScott | I know it's standard, but still... |
| 19:59.07 | Corrodias | not if you have a job |
| 19:59.09 | Josh_Borke | ok, let's see |
| 19:59.11 | zenzelezz | depends what you compare to |
| 19:59.14 | McScott | I had a job... |
| 19:59.20 | ckknight | $15 is not very much. |
| 19:59.22 | McScott | Somebody replaced me. |
| 19:59.28 | Mery | its not more than one movie in a cinema... |
| 19:59.31 | ckknight | that's like 45 minutes of work for me |
| 19:59.34 | Corrodias | it was one of those adding machines, wasn't it? |
| 19:59.35 | Kirkburn | The amount of content you get in WoW is absolutely HUGE |
| 19:59.45 | McScott | Hmm... |
| 20:00.04 | Josh_Borke | Legorol: you still here? |
| 20:00.06 | cogwheel | Plus, they're continually adding stuff that you *don't* have to "pay for" |
| 20:00.10 | Corrodias | i don't know how WoW compares in "stuff to do" to EQ2 |
| 20:00.24 | Kirkburn | Obviously we're biased, but even if you play the game and don't like it, the first month is free |
| 20:00.36 | McScott | I was looking at FFXI; that looks pretty interesting. |
| 20:00.37 | Kirkburn | So you get a month of play for the price of a normal hame :) |
| 20:00.56 | zenzelezz | Kirkburn: you have to pay for WoW to begin with, so the first month does cost |
| 20:01.07 | Kirkburn | zenzelezz, haha, too slow =) |
| 20:01.12 | Corrodias | then again, you are dealing with people who will just ignore your questions if they don't feel like answering. we've been asking why the alliance has a special mount that the horde doesn't have for 2 years now without a response other than a single instance of "i'll look into it", long long ago. |
| 20:01.13 | cogwheel | McScott: WoW is a great "first mmo" |
| 20:01.25 | McScott | Ah, so they give you how long to play it when you buy the game? |
| 20:01.34 | McScott | One month? |
| 20:01.37 | Corrodias | i don't know whether to recommend you play horde or alliance. the alliance is significantly favored, so you'd probably enjoy it more. |
| 20:01.38 | cogwheel | yep. |
| 20:01.39 | Kirkburn | Corrodias, ah the fabled ravasaur trainer of Un'goro |
| 20:01.45 | cogwheel | you can also get a 14-day trial |
| 20:01.59 | lalla521 | you can just start the 14 days trial and then buy the game and have 44 days at the cost of 19.99€ |
| 20:02.04 | McScott | Can you do the trial without buying the game? |
| 20:02.10 | Kirkburn | cogwheel's idea is a good one, try the trial, it's free |
| 20:02.14 | cogwheel | That's what makes it a trial... |
| 20:02.20 | Kevorkian | I prefer horde. fewer... well... stupid people are attracted to playing races that aren't pretty |
| 20:02.23 | McScott | How do you get the client then? |
| 20:02.31 | Mery | doenload or a friend |
| 20:02.34 | Josh_Borke | McScott: get someone to send you a trial email |
| 20:02.35 | Mery | download* |
| 20:02.42 | Kevorkian | although both sides have their share of both smart and.. less smart folks |
| 20:02.44 | Josh_Borke | you can download it from fileplanet |
| 20:02.50 | McScott | Isn't it illegal to download the client? |
| 20:02.53 | lalla521 | nope |
| 20:02.58 | cogwheel | McScott: it's the trial... |
| 20:03.01 | cogwheel | that's the point |
| 20:03.04 | lalla521 | you can get the trial from the official website btw |
| 20:03.13 | Josh_Borke | got a link? |
| 20:03.14 | McScott | So there is a regular client and a trial client? |
| 20:03.21 | Mery | they are the same |
| 20:03.26 | ckknight | nah, same client |
| 20:03.27 | Josh_Borke | the trial client is the full fledged client |
| 20:03.27 | McScott | Like a patched client. |
| 20:03.30 | ckknight | just a different account |
| 20:03.35 | Corrodias | it's probably the same client. i don't know what the $40 box is for, except a manual. |
| 20:03.37 | cogwheel | but you have to pay to upgrade your account |
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| 20:03.44 | Corrodias | that explains it |
| 20:04.04 | McScott | Pay the price of the game in the store or just the subscription fee? |
| 20:04.09 | Mery | because blizzard want to be in the best serller lists =P |
| 20:04.19 | cogwheel | The full price |
| 20:04.21 | Kirkburn | Yeah, you have to pay the full game price for a key |
| 20:04.22 | McScott | Ahh.... |
| 20:04.36 | McScott | Makes sense. |
| 20:04.39 | Josh_Borke | hm, what if you have a gamecard? |
| 20:04.44 | Corrodias | so in the end, you can play free for 14 days, but you have to buy the damn thing if you want to keep playing |
| 20:04.49 | lalla521 | www.worldofwarcraft.com if you're in US, www.wow-europe.com if you're in europe |
| 20:04.58 | Josh_Borke | someone tell me about the UNIT_SPELLCAST_SENT "player" field |
| 20:05.07 | Corrodias | yeah. but play on a US server anyway, just because we're better. ;d |
| 20:05.20 | McScott | Is there some kind of tester that tells you if your computer can handle the game without knowing what processor model you have? |
| 20:05.27 | lalla521 | ye if you want to have extra high latency from europe :P |
| 20:05.35 | lalla521 | O_o |
| 20:05.37 | Corrodias | europeans love lag |
| 20:05.47 | Kirkburn | Shush you |
| 20:05.48 | lalla521 | you dont even know your hardware config? |
| 20:05.52 | Corrodias | if it means they get to play with me! |
| 20:06.15 | McScott | Well, I know it's an Athlon XP, but I don't know what model. |
| 20:06.22 | zenzelezz | I used to play on US-Arthas from Europe, got a little extra latency of course, but was still quite playable |
| 20:06.26 | McScott | I know the rest of my hardware specifications. |
| 20:06.31 | Kirkburn | WoW can run on most PCs, it's not partcularly demanding |
| 20:06.37 | Kaso | legorol did you check out the casting bars? |
| 20:06.37 | McScott | I see. |
| 20:06.37 | Corrodias | McScott: open your control panel, then "system" |
| 20:06.47 | lalla521 | ye, processor does not matter that much |
| 20:06.48 | Corrodias | tell us the processor speed, listed at the bottom |
| 20:06.53 | lalla521 | but video card does |
| 20:06.56 | Thunder_Child | WoW needs ram the most especialy with addons |
| 20:07.00 | ckknight | RAM matters. |
| 20:07.05 | lalla521 | ye ram also |
| 20:07.10 | McScott | Err... 1.15 Ghz. |
| 20:07.15 | Kirkburn | 512 minimum, 1 gig gives big improvements |
| 20:07.20 | lalla521 | i have 1 gb and yet swapping -.- |
| 20:07.21 | ckknight | McScott, how much RAM? |
| 20:07.22 | *** join/#wowi-lounge fox689 (i=user@ip106-228.pft.WKU.EDU) |
| 20:07.25 | McScott | 512. |
| 20:07.28 | ckknight | hrm |
| 20:07.30 | Thunder_Child | ckknight: how much? |
| 20:07.44 | ckknight | Thunder_Child, I have 512, I want another stick to get at least 1 gig |
| 20:07.45 | Kirkburn | You'll be close, but it should be quite playable |
| 20:07.47 | Josh_Borke | you get best performance with increased ram, increased bus speed and better graphics card |
| 20:07.49 | Corrodias | i'm not sure what's up with my old computer. i think it used to run WoW faster than it does now. i get like 15fps in Orgrimmar with my athlon xp 1.6ghz (1900+) and a geforce 4600 |
| 20:07.57 | Thunder_Child | yea, i have 2.5 gigs and wow uses about 1 |
| 20:08.04 | McScott | I have a GeForce 4, but it's not installed... |
| 20:08.20 | McScott | It's in a different computer that I can't play WoW on. |
| 20:08.26 | McScott | I would have to switch it out. |
| 20:08.34 | Josh_Borke | i'll put ti this way: WoW is playable on my laptop which has 512MB of ram, integrated graphics card and like 1.5GHz processor |
| 20:08.40 | McScott | I just want to know if it's absolutely neccessary. |
| 20:08.41 | Josh_Borke | playable, but painful |
| 20:08.44 | Legorol | Kaso: i did |
| 20:08.47 | Corrodias | Josh_Borke: i know that pain |
| 20:08.52 | fox689 | I do too |
| 20:08.53 | Legorol | it shows up on the targetframe and optionally under the nameplate of your current target |
| 20:09.01 | Legorol | if you clear your target, it doesn't show |
| 20:09.05 | Kaso | ah ok |
| 20:09.07 | Kaso | how boring |
| 20:09.10 | Josh_Borke | Legorol: what is the "player" field? |
| 20:09.13 | Legorol | i haven't tried in party/raid to see if it shows up for friendlies |
| 20:09.15 | lalla521 | just try to raid mc/bwl/whatever with a laptop with embedded graphics :P |
| 20:09.16 | Legorol | Josh_Borke: on which event |
| 20:09.22 | Josh_Borke | UNIT_SPELLCAST_SENT |
| 20:09.25 | fox689 | ouch |
| 20:09.26 | McScott | Has anyway tried a game called Rappelz? |
| 20:09.29 | McScott | *anyone |
| 20:09.31 | Legorol | it's not a field |
| 20:09.34 | Legorol | it's teh value of arg1 |
| 20:09.43 | Kaso | there go my dreams of exploiting thje nameplates more |
| 20:09.45 | McScott | I was looking at it today; it's free. |
| 20:09.49 | Legorol | currently, in all cases that UNIT_SPELLCAST_SENT fires, arg1 == "player" always |
| 20:09.51 | Kirkburn | Never heard of it, McScott |
| 20:09.52 | Kaso | thanks for the info legorol anyway |
| 20:10.06 | Legorol | Kaso: what were you hoping to do? |
| 20:10.18 | Legorol | you can already get spellcasting info from any unitid via API |
| 20:10.31 | Josh_Borke | so, hrm. UNIT_SPELLCAST_SENT is only for the player then. so there is still no way to get the target of any unit :-/ |
| 20:10.35 | McScott | Oh! I just thought of something... |
| 20:11.09 | Legorol | Josh_Borke: what about UnitCastingInfo? |
| 20:11.23 | Josh_Borke | according to the posts i've seen, it doesn't return target info |
| 20:11.27 | Josh_Borke | just spell and duration info |
| 20:11.34 | McScott | If you participate in the trial, but at the end of the trial you would rather by the game (which includes the manual), is it possible to transfer the character you made without purchasing the key through the trial? |
| 20:11.42 | McScott | *buy |
| 20:12.01 | Kevorkian | I don't believe so, but I could be mistaken |
| 20:12.06 | Legorol | can you purchase a key via the trial? |
| 20:12.13 | McScott | They said you could. |
| 20:12.13 | lalla521 | yes |
| 20:12.18 | Legorol | McScott: i don't think you can do it either |
| 20:12.20 | Corrodias | you have to upgrade the same account to keep the character |
| 20:12.20 | lalla521 | you start trial |
| 20:12.30 | lalla521 | and when expires go into account management |
| 20:12.37 | lalla521 | and upgrade account to a full one |
| 20:12.43 | lalla521 | keeping your characters |
| 20:12.47 | Legorol | ok, so McScott's question in fact is: "if i buy a box, can i use the key in there to upgrade my trial account" |
| 20:12.56 | lalla521 | ye |
| 20:12.57 | McScott | Yes! |
| 20:13.04 | Corrodias | YO |
| 20:13.08 | McScott | Can you? |
| 20:13.12 | Corrodias | yo. |
| 20:13.18 | Corrodias | figure out that answer, hah |
| 20:13.20 | Legorol | it depends on how the "upgrade" of a trial account works |
| 20:13.24 | Legorol | do you have to enter a key at that point? |
| 20:13.30 | Mery | yes |
| 20:13.32 | lalla521 | ye |
| 20:13.32 | McScott | I'm note sure. |
| 20:13.34 | McScott | *not |
| 20:13.37 | Corrodias | i guess we don't know. but i can tell you this, McScott: the box isn't worth the trouble |
| 20:13.41 | Legorol | lalla521: and where do you get that key from |
| 20:13.46 | McScott | I see. |
| 20:13.52 | Legorol | the manual is horribly outdated |
| 20:14.02 | lalla521 | i know for sure that a trial account can be unlocked using the key in the retail box |
| 20:14.03 | Legorol | i agree with Corrodias |
| 20:14.03 | McScott | I don't really read manuals anyway, but it would be nice to have the discs. |
| 20:14.05 | Corrodias | the manual is worth approximately nothing unless you want the artwork, and you can download a .pdf of it if you want. |
| 20:14.26 | Legorol | McScott: you can just burn the trial installer to disc |
| 20:14.28 | Corrodias | there are 6 CD's and you should just burn the downloaded client to a DVD instead. ;.; |
| 20:14.41 | McScott | Yeah, I don't know. |
| 20:14.54 | McScott | I imagine after the trial I would make a new character anyway. |
| 20:14.55 | Corrodias | lalla521: you know this, you say? |
| 20:14.56 | Legorol | not to mention that those 6 CDs will have a very old version, which requires extensive patching |
| 20:14.56 | Mery | but you'll always need a key and those are only sold with a box - alough there are shop that only send you the key |
| 20:15.06 | McScott | I'll probably do everything all wrong the first time anyway. |
| 20:15.15 | lalla521 | yes |
| 20:15.18 | Legorol | Mery: isn't there a way to get a key via the trial program? |
| 20:15.27 | Corrodias | characters can be "respecced", that is, you spend gold in the game to change your stats around |
| 20:15.27 | lalla521 | i read this somewhere in the forums, by a blue |
| 20:15.40 | Bela|work | McScott: the cdrom you buy in stores is an old version requiring numerous patches, while the trial client is like 1.11 or something |
| 20:15.43 | lalla521 | also with trial you are limited to lvl20 and cannot use mail and ah |
| 20:15.45 | Mery | Legorol: not when I last checked the tial FAQ but thats a few months ago |
| 20:15.47 | Corrodias | therefore, you can never completely screw up your character beyond the point of farming a little gold to fix him |
| 20:15.54 | Bela|work | it is almost more worthwhile to just burn the trial client to dvd |
| 20:15.54 | Legorol | ok, it sounds like you have to buy a retail client anyway |
| 20:15.57 | Legorol | which comes in boxes |
| 20:15.58 | Bela|work | the installer I mean |
| 20:16.12 | McScott | What also interested me about this game was that as I was talking with someone about it, they told me that there isn't as much grinding as there is in other games. |
| 20:16.16 | Legorol | Corrodias: and that only applies to talents anywya |
| 20:16.24 | Bela|work | Legorol: the trial client works for retail |
| 20:16.24 | lalla521 | well err |
| 20:16.30 | Bela|work | I know, because thats what I installed |
| 20:16.30 | Legorol | McScott: no grinding if you just want to level |
| 20:16.30 | McScott | Is it fairly easy to get to level 60 without it being tedious? |
| 20:16.37 | Legorol | yup, and very enjoyable |
| 20:16.40 | lalla521 | there's less grind than Lineage2 for sure for example |
| 20:16.48 | Legorol | there is so much content, you will see less than half of all quests for your faction |
| 20:16.50 | Legorol | and you hit 60 |
| 20:16.53 | lalla521 | but there is a grind anyway |
| 20:16.59 | ckknight | McScott, you don't grind to 60. |
| 20:17.02 | Corrodias | Legorol: right, but you can't really "screw up" your character itself, except by collecting the wrong equipment and choosing the wrong talents. |
| 20:17.03 | Legorol | lalla521: dependsd on your playstyle |
| 20:17.12 | McScott | It seems like with every MMORPG I play, I always quit in the 40-50's. |
| 20:17.14 | Legorol | i not once grinded to 60, in fact quests got completed faster than i would've liked |
| 20:17.32 | McScott | (because of grinding) |
| 20:17.35 | Bela|work | some people prefer to grind. For them there IS the possibility to grind if they so desire |
| 20:17.39 | Bela|work | but you can level without grinding |
| 20:17.40 | Legorol | Corrodias: you misunderstand, i meant that the only thing that you need to choose is talents, which is a small part of your character |
| 20:17.47 | Legorol | the rest of the customisation comes via gear |
| 20:17.51 | Legorol | both of which can be fixed with gold |
| 20:17.52 | Corrodias | McScott: a warning... a lot of the quests -are- grinding |
| 20:17.52 | Bela|work | there are enough quests that you will still be doing quests when you are 60 |
| 20:18.08 | Corrodias | i swear there's a quest in the barrens that tells you to kill 50 of one type of mob |
| 20:18.19 | Bela|work | Corrodias: perhaps, but you get more for a quest that asks for some grinding, than just grinding |
| 20:18.20 | Legorol | Corrodias: you don't do such quests in one go :) |
| 20:18.24 | McScott | Corrodias: Like, "go kill 20 of [monster]?" |
| 20:18.30 | ckknight | yea |
| 20:18.31 | Legorol | yes there are quests like that |
| 20:18.36 | Legorol | but somehow i never got the feeling that it's a grind, |
| 20:18.37 | Corrodias | leg's right, though, you can do multiple quests at once by killing the same things |
| 20:18.41 | McScott | That's dumb! |
| 20:18.43 | Legorol | it's always paced at the right threshold |
| 20:18.44 | ckknight | same, Legorol |
| 20:18.54 | McScott | Why does every game have that?! |
| 20:18.55 | Corrodias | basically you'd have that quest and just hang onto it while you did other stuff until it's complete |
| 20:18.58 | ckknight | killing quests never really feel like grind |
| 20:19.05 | Bela|work | McScott there aren't many like that, and teh few that are tend to share objectives with other quests |
| 20:19.06 | Legorol | McScott: because that's the simplest, most mindless type of task |
| 20:19.07 | Corrodias | because it's hard to make up interesting things for people to do |
| 20:19.09 | Legorol | and you don't have to do those |
| 20:19.12 | ckknight | it's more like a fun genocide. |
| 20:19.19 | McScott | I see. |
| 20:19.22 | Corrodias | when is genocide NOT fun? |
| 20:19.22 | ckknight | rather than a simple killing spree |
| 20:19.23 | Mery | the only problem I had was doing "too high" quests in groups then starting leveling solo again and not having the quests for that range anymore |
| 20:19.33 | McScott | Either way, it seems pretty appealing. |
| 20:19.41 | Legorol | Mery: then you go and get quests in a different zone |
| 20:19.44 | Legorol | there are always alternatives |
| 20:19.44 | McScott | I actually like getting addicted to games. |
| 20:19.50 | McScott | It's a rush. |
| 20:19.56 | Legorol | i see so many people whine about "not having any quests to do" |
| 20:20.00 | Mery | yeah _now_ I know |
| 20:20.08 | Josh_Borke | hrm, i guess healwatch will still need coms for target information |
| 20:20.09 | Mery | but when I first played the game... |
| 20:20.15 | Legorol | it usually results from them having been boosted through quests by a higher level ;-) |
| 20:20.23 | McScott | Is there a typical assassin type character in the game? |
| 20:20.31 | Legorol | Josh_Borke: i think the idea is that you can only get your own spells' targets |
| 20:20.37 | Legorol | then you can communicate it via addon channel if you like |
| 20:21.00 | Legorol | McScott: wow doesn't really follow any of the typical character roles |
| 20:21.04 | Corrodias | McScott: rogue, i think, is what you want |
| 20:21.10 | Corrodias | but it's not like D&D |
| 20:21.10 | Kirkburn | Btw, the talent trees have been updated: http://blue.cardplace.com/newcache/us/34925108.htm |
| 20:21.18 | Kirkburn | Also, a preview of the LFG screen |
| 20:21.32 | Josh_Borke | Legorol: yea, blah. disappointment for now. i guess i'll just uh, i dunno. thanks Legorol |
| 20:21.35 | Corrodias | rogue: very high single target damage, melee range, can stealth |
| 20:21.38 | McScott | Are there any online guides for what to put whatever stats you get into? |
| 20:21.50 | McScott | For the "perfect" character. |
| 20:22.02 | Corrodias | mage: very high single target damage, crowd control (disabling opponents for the battle), uses mana very fast so there's downtime between fights to regen mana |
| 20:22.07 | zenzelezz | heh... so those whining bastard warriors finally get a free Tactical Mastery? o_O |
| 20:22.16 | Corrodias | well, high single target, also high AoE damage |
| 20:22.43 | Corrodias | there is plenty of documentation online to figure out how to play the class you choose the way you want to. |
| 20:22.49 | McScott | Cool. |
| 20:23.12 | McScott | When does this expansion I hear about get released? |
| 20:23.18 | Kevorkian | end of next month |
| 20:23.39 | Corrodias | just so you know in advance, if you play a paladin, i will hate you. |
| 20:23.42 | Kevorkian | but most of the affected folks will be level 60, so you won't need to worry about much of the expansion |
| 20:23.52 | Kevorkian | until later |
| 20:23.56 | McScott | crap... sticky keys... |
| 20:24.17 | Kevorkian | pet classes are IMO the easiest for newbies. hunter is probably the easiest that I've played but warlocks work well too |
| 20:24.25 | Kirkburn | New slouken post on the 2.0 changes thread |
| 20:24.36 | Kirkburn | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15401595&pageNo=38&sid=1#742 |
| 20:24.38 | McScott | So do you think that it's probably not possible to get to level 60 before the expansion comes out? |
| 20:25.27 | Corrodias | i'd say no, unless you hire a power levelling service |
| 20:25.31 | McScott | A what? |
| 20:25.35 | Corrodias | pay people to play your character for you |
| 20:25.38 | McScott | People will play the game for you?? |
| 20:25.43 | McScott | That is so strange! |
| 20:25.51 | Corrodias | i'm not sure i see the point, but yes |
| 20:26.01 | Thunder_Child | you have a month to a month and a half, i think it's possable to do it your self |
| 20:26.20 | Thunder_Child | depends how much time you can devote to it |
| 20:26.23 | McScott | If I abandoned all other neccessities. |
| 20:26.26 | Kirkburn | It's possible, but don't bother |
| 20:26.36 | Corrodias | arr. in 2 months i hit level 48, playing quite a bit, but then i chose a slow levelling class and i'm a slow person |
| 20:26.45 | Kirkburn | I mean, it's your first time playing it, savour it :) |
| 20:26.46 | McScott | And became like the kids in South Park. |
| 20:26.54 | McScott | Ha-ha! |
| 20:26.54 | Corrodias | but i also had a 33 alt. now it took only 1 month to get up to 60 after that. |
| 20:26.58 | Kirkburn | Took me 6 months |
| 20:27.16 | Kirkburn | Takes some people forever (literally - even 2 years after release, still no 60) |
| 20:27.48 | Thunder_Child | fastet lvl was i think 8 days (play time) |
| 20:27.49 | lalla521 | leveling a warlock is a piece of cake... |
| 20:27.50 | McScott | So from a WoW player standpoint, did you find the South Park episode comedic or offensive? |
| 20:27.53 | Kirkburn | 6 days is the approx. record |
| 20:27.57 | Kirkburn | Comedic |
| 20:27.59 | Corrodias | oh, it was amusing |
| 20:28.04 | Kirkburn | And quite accurate |
| 20:28.04 | Thunder_Child | sure it was 6? |
| 20:28.05 | lalla521 | voiwalker tanks, dots and there goes :P |
| 20:28.16 | Kirkburn | The locations and names were quite correct |
| 20:28.21 | Corrodias | there were deliberate inaccuracies, and it's hardly representative of what it's like to play, but it was funny |
| 20:28.39 | Kirkburn | Thunder_Child, you think more? It's either 5 or 6 |
| 20:28.47 | Corrodias | location names might well be correct. as a horde-only player, i don't know alliance areas all that well. |
| 20:28.49 | McScott | I thought that was just riddiculous when Cartman's mom came in when he... (the part where he "goes to the bathroom") |
| 20:28.50 | Thunder_Child | wasnt perfectly accurate http://www.hitpoints.org/wow_BC_Beta/Screenshots/soqkt.jpg |
| 20:28.57 | McScott | But also very funny. |
| 20:29.00 | Thunder_Child | Kirkburn: ok |
| 20:29.16 | McScott | And disgusting. |
| 20:29.32 | Kirkburn | mmm |
| 20:29.40 | Thunder_Child | Corrodias, yes locations were correct |
| 20:29.59 | Kirkburn | Fargodeep Mine :D |
| 20:30.08 | Corrodias | the only thing that really caught my attention, besides the guy's weird powers, was that stan's guy was wearing a frostwolf tabard |
| 20:30.26 | McScott | Wow, this game looks confusing. |
| 20:30.34 | McScott | Look at all those icons. |
| 20:30.39 | Thunder_Child | no pun intended huh? |
| 20:30.51 | Corrodias | and that's a default UI, very simple |
| 20:31.04 | McScott | Er... you mean the "Wow" part? |
| 20:31.11 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 20:31.19 | Corrodias | although i don't have all my action bars quite -that- full |
| 20:31.22 | McScott | There was no pun intended, but that's pretty funny. :-) |
| 20:31.34 | Kirkburn | When you start you only have two or three buttons to press |
| 20:31.52 | McScott | Maybe I should have said, "WoW, this game looks confusing." |
| 20:32.01 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 20:32.05 | Thunder_Child | heh....puns will be shot on sight |
| 20:32.12 | McScott | I like puns. |
| 20:32.15 | Thunder_Child | ~shoot puns |
| 20:32.17 | purl | ACTION shoots puns in the ear with a quantum singularity weapon! |
| 20:32.18 | McScott | They take a unique sense of humor. |
| 20:32.29 | Kirkburn | With the 2.0 changes, does it mean that action buttons cannot be moved at all now? |
| 20:32.36 | lalla521 | no |
| 20:32.40 | Thunder_Child | not in combat i think |
| 20:32.48 | lalla521 | you just cant move them in combat or automatically |
| 20:33.28 | Kirkburn | Oh yes, I misread it |
| 20:34.20 | lalla521 | btw just curious |
| 20:34.38 | lalla521 | how many of you do think that the decursive-style-addon block is good? |
| 20:34.41 | McScott | I'm afraid to ask, but does anyone in here play console games? |
| 20:34.54 | ckknight | Thunder_Child, the Sword of a Thousand Truths was made _after_ the episode. |
| 20:35.12 | Thunder_Child | lalla521, for BC should be fine, for pre BC might be a problem |
| 20:35.14 | lalla521 | McScott: no consoles for me, last was sega genesis :P |
| 20:35.28 | Thunder_Child | ckknight, well they could have at least made it properly |
| 20:35.38 | McScott | OH MY GOD! |
| 20:35.41 | ckknight | I would've put a chance on hit: mana drain |
| 20:35.43 | Thunder_Child | even a small mana leach |
| 20:35.47 | Thunder_Child | yea, exactly |
| 20:35.51 | McScott | Your last console was the Sega Genesis?! |
| 20:36.01 | Thunder_Child | super nintento for me |
| 20:36.03 | Kirkburn | My only had been a GameBoy |
| 20:36.03 | Corrodias | lalla521: i think people will feel more like they're "playing a game" if they have to push more than one button |
| 20:36.11 | lalla521 | Thunder_Child: mh ye but the addon "nerf" does not apply only to pve content |
| 20:36.37 | McScott | I really love Nintendo games. |
| 20:36.39 | Kevorkian | lalla: I dislike the block but it is consistent with the play of the game. I think it will hamper larger raids, but then there won't be that many large raids in the expansion, so it causes less harm |
| 20:36.40 | Thunder_Child | Corrodias, for a 25 man raid...ok maybe, with 40 it's pushing it |
| 20:36.53 | lalla521 | McScott: ye... old good genesis, had sonic1, 2, 3 , and knucles *_* |
| 20:37.03 | Corrodias | you really have to delegate healers/cleansers |
| 20:37.08 | Thunder_Child | lalla521. yes but i hate pvp so i dont care about that..... |
| 20:37.09 | McScott | And I was a Sega fan... |
| 20:37.11 | Corrodias | you can't expect everyone to be healing everyone |
| 20:37.28 | Kirkburn | Soo, Shattrath looks like it'll be the new capital of the world :D |
| 20:37.49 | Thunder_Child | allthough the aoe dispell might help |
| 20:38.00 | Kirkburn | Can't wait, few low-level chars ;) |
| 20:38.05 | lalla521 | Kevorkian: i thnk its not _that_ consistent... maybe only target chosing is consistent |
| 20:38.15 | Thunder_Child | at gargantuan mana expenditured |
| 20:38.29 | ckknight | classtime |
| 20:38.32 | lalla521 | Kevorkian: pets for example have automatic spell casting... that is not consistent imho |
| 20:38.33 | zenzelezz | Kirkburn: <random level 60> shouts: ne1 70 want to boost me thru <...>!??!? |
| 20:38.35 | Thunder_Child | s/expenditured/expenditures |
| 20:38.47 | McScott | So does that mean that none of you all have every played Ocarina of Time? |
| 20:38.57 | Kirkburn | zenzelezz, lol |
| 20:38.59 | Thunder_Child | always forget the trailing / |
| 20:39.22 | Thunder_Child | McScott, i have played it |
| 20:39.36 | Thunder_Child | for maybe 30 min |
| 20:39.43 | McScott | Jeez... |
| 20:39.53 | McScott | That game is like the best ever made. |
| 20:40.09 | Thunder_Child | computer games > consle games |
| 20:40.28 | McScott | I will stray away from this argument. |
| 20:40.29 | Corrodias | i have played numerous console games, including OoT |
| 20:40.36 | Industrial | I have an addon and at leasr one part of it isnt loading. its the only addon im using and my hp/power text isnt showing when i log in, only when i load. |
| 20:40.41 | Industrial | http://pastey.net/1620 |
| 20:41.03 | McScott | Computer games are a pretty expensive hobby however. |
| 20:41.14 | Industrial | hp.txt and mp.txt |
| 20:41.53 | Thunder_Child | any more so than console games? |
| 20:41.57 | Kirkburn | Console games are 'spensiver |
| 20:42.05 | Thunder_Child | they are now... |
| 20:42.08 | Kirkburn | Normally, anyway :P |
| 20:42.09 | Thunder_Child | except for WII |
| 20:42.15 | McScott | There you go. |
| 20:42.21 | McScott | I told you I was a Nintendo fan. |
| 20:42.26 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 20:42.28 | McScott | And of course I'm getting a Wii. |
| 20:42.40 | Corrodias | i've seen plenty of discussions about consoles vs computers. i'm not going to get involved, here |
| 20:42.52 | Thunder_Child | wii all think thats a geat idea McScott |
| 20:42.53 | Industrial | anyone? |
| 20:43.18 | McScott | I am not opposed to playing PC games though. |
| 20:43.28 | lalla521 | Industrial: what addon, and what are you trying to do? |
| 20:43.35 | Industrial | my addon |
| 20:43.37 | Industrial | unitframes |
| 20:43.40 | Industrial | see the pastebin |
| 20:43.41 | Corrodias | your interest in WoW certainly suggests you aren't |
| 20:43.44 | Industrial | pastey* |
| 20:43.54 | Industrial | lalla521: this is only a part of the addon |
| 20:43.58 | McScott | That made no sense to me. |
| 20:44.02 | Industrial | lalla521: want the zip? |
| 20:44.12 | lalla521 | nope :P |
| 20:44.13 | SB1-Work | I must admit, actually *reading* SecureTemplates.lua helps quite a bit. |
| 20:44.22 | Corrodias | the fact that you have shown interest in this PC game suggests that you are, in fact, not opposed to playing PC games. |
| 20:44.31 | McScott | Oh, yes I see. |
| 20:44.42 | Industrial | hellsblade.xs4all.nl:88/idInterface.zip |
| 20:44.43 | Industrial | :P |
| 20:45.04 | McScott | The only thing I haven't got around in my mind is the subscription fee. |
| 20:45.16 | Kevorkian | games are games, what you play them on is truly of little consequence |
| 20:45.26 | McScott | If it weren't for that I would probably already be playing. |
| 20:45.52 | lalla521 | McScott: i think that many ppl had that feeling about the fee, and now are "happily" paying :P |
| 20:45.58 | Kevorkian | McScott: most folks have trouble with that the first time. I recommend attempting the trial account, if it is something that grabs you then you will pay the fee, if it is not then you won't |
| 20:46.24 | Thunder_Child | your only looking at about 150 for an entire year |
| 20:46.27 | Thunder_Child | it's not bad |
| 20:46.33 | Thunder_Child | 150 = $ |
| 20:46.36 | McScott | I do plan on playing the trial. I am glad that you've mentioned it. |
| 20:47.03 | McScott | $150 is a lot of money. |
| 20:47.11 | McScott | Whether you have a job or not. |
| 20:47.26 | Thunder_Child | not for a year |
| 20:47.27 | McScott | But I can see how it might be worth it. |
| 20:47.46 | Thunder_Child | thats like a birthday present in it's own right |
| 20:47.48 | Industrial | me me me |
| 20:47.55 | McScott | Just like going to the movies or anything else. |
| 20:47.56 | Thunder_Child | ~poke Industrial |
| 20:47.57 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Industrial, pokes Industrial repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 20:47.58 | Corrodias | if you have a job, $180 is not a lot during a whole year |
| 20:48.04 | lalla521 | otherwise you can play the old good ultima online for free on some unofficial shard :P |
| 20:48.06 | Corrodias | you're talking $20,000 or more every year |
| 20:48.26 | Corrodias | even with a part time, "play money" job like $2k per year, 180 is quite affordable |
| 20:48.33 | Thunder_Child | there are free unificial wow servers as well, but thats illigal |
| 20:48.43 | lalla521 | ye but UO ones are legal |
| 20:48.49 | McScott | I hated my last job though. |
| 20:49.03 | McScott | The assistant manager was a jerk. |
| 20:51.02 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Rhaegar (n=Rhaegar-@86.41.165.189) |
| 20:51.02 | McScott | So can you even look at your character once your subscription runs out? |
| 20:51.10 | Corrodias | "and his boss was an even bigger jerk" |
| 20:51.15 | Corrodias | "turns out i was working for a whole company of jerks" |
| 20:51.18 | McScott | Maybe? |
| 20:51.24 | McScott | I never talked to the guy. |
| 20:51.40 | Corrodias | those are lines from a tech institute advertisement or something |
| 20:51.46 | McScott | Ha-ha! |
| 20:51.55 | McScott | It seems like everyone has dissappeared. |
| 20:52.24 | Corrodias | look at the character, in what way? |
| 20:52.29 | Corrodias | you can use a profiling addon to make a record of what the character is like, and what he has |
| 20:52.39 | McScott | Just like, literally look at it. On a login screen. |
| 20:53.23 | McScott | I just want to know whether when and if I eventually quit the game I can go back and say, "Here's the character I used to play with." |
| 20:53.24 | Thunder_Child | no, not as far as i know |
| 20:53.24 | Xuerian | Nope, login = account, realm list -> character list -> character display |
| 20:53.31 | Corrodias | no, although you can get a model viewer, make your character, and dress him up |
| 20:53.47 | Xuerian | Yep =D |
| 20:53.58 | McScott | Do they delete your account if you are inactive for a certain amount of time? |
| 20:54.05 | Corrodias | i... am not sure |
| 20:54.19 | lalla521 | i think not |
| 20:54.26 | Corrodias | you can be off for 6 months at least with no repercussions |
| 20:54.26 | lalla521 | however in the ooooold manual |
| 20:54.44 | lalla521 | it is said that blizzard keeps your account for ATLEAST 6 months after last payment |
| 20:54.57 | McScott | Hmm... |
| 20:55.04 | lalla521 | but i think they're not gonna delete accounts so quickly |
| 20:55.13 | Cide | they're likely keeping them until further notice |
| 20:55.23 | McScott | Do you know if they are planning on making a new game? I.E. World of Warcraft 2 |
| 20:55.29 | Xuerian | No. EVE online does, but not wow :P |
| 20:55.31 | Corrodias | blizzard wouldn't make any choices that would make people unlikely to come back and give them more money |
| 20:55.34 | Legorol | it's called Burning Crusade, McScott |
| 20:55.45 | McScott | Isn't that the expansion? |
| 20:55.46 | Legorol | it's due out in a couple of month, and it's the sequel to World of Warcraft |
| 20:55.50 | McScott | Oh... |
| 20:55.50 | Cide | Xuerian: what do you mean? |
| 20:55.53 | Legorol | it's played in the same universe with the same characters |
| 20:55.56 | Corrodias | Legorol's being cute |
| 20:56.02 | McScott | So it improves on graphics and everything? |
| 20:56.09 | Legorol | no, it adds new content |
| 20:56.12 | Thunder_Child | it's not a sequel in the true meaning of the word |
| 20:56.13 | Xuerian | EVE deletes characters after six months, wow doesn't delete them (Or I haven't seen any examples of time deletion) |
| 20:56.14 | Legorol | and makes existing content obsolete |
| 20:56.21 | Cide | ah |
| 20:56.22 | zenzelezz | I wouldn't really call it a sequel as long as you can't use it alone |
| 20:56.32 | lalla521 | i dont think we'll see wow 2 anytime soon, and for soon i mean some years... |
| 20:56.35 | Corrodias | Legorol: i hardly think nobody will play in the barrens any more |
| 20:56.35 | Legorol | hehe ok i'm being a smartass |
| 20:56.40 | Xuerian | McScott: There are graphical improvements yes, but not new game graphics |
| 20:56.43 | Corrodias | people don't start at level 60 |
| 20:56.47 | McScott | Yeah, I more or less meant a new game where you can't transfer your character. |
| 20:57.01 | Xuerian | Not as far as anyone I know knows :p |
| 20:57.02 | Legorol | Corrodias: they'll all migrate to BE start area |
| 20:57.08 | Corrodias | Legorol is probably making a joke about how they've named the version of WoW with the expansion "2.0" |
| 20:57.19 | lalla521 | also, knowing blizzard to have a whole new game is a looong wait |
| 20:57.29 | zenzelezz | people are too obsessed with version numbers |
| 20:57.33 | lalla521 | i am waiting for starcraft 2 from '98 :P |
| 20:57.46 | Rhaegar | the only way that would work McScott would be if that they totally redid the game, and looking at how the current version of wow is doing in terms of sales i doubt it will happen ;) |
| 20:57.46 | zenzelezz | I still remember the fuzz about how you "can't go from 1.9 to 1.10!!!!!!" |
| 20:57.48 | Thunder_Child | or diablo 3? |
| 20:57.53 | Thunder_Child | which is coming out |
| 20:58.02 | Rhaegar | else it would be an addition to wow other then a new game in its own right |
| 20:58.02 | lalla521 | ye also diablo |
| 20:58.05 | McScott | Do you have to own the original game to play on the expansion? I know it's a dumb question, but I'm honestly not sure if the expansion includes the original client. |
| 20:58.13 | Legorol | McScott: yes |
| 20:58.13 | Thunder_Child | yes you do |
| 20:58.14 | Xuerian | Yeeeeesh |
| 20:58.14 | lalla521 | ye ofc, original game always needed |
| 20:58.21 | Xuerian | lalla521: Not true |
| 20:58.23 | McScott | I figured such. |
| 20:58.24 | Xuerian | Guildwars :) |
| 20:58.58 | lalla521 | Xuerian: -.- i was talking of wow only :P |
| 20:59.02 | McScott | So are these your names in the game? |
| 20:59.05 | Xuerian | ;P |
| 20:59.08 | Corrodias | but WoW doesn't have any expansions yet |
| 20:59.14 | Josh_Borke | i'm Hamarian! |
| 20:59.22 | Rhaegar | yes it is :> |
| 20:59.26 | Corrodias | "<lalla521> ye ofc, original game always needed" -- how can something "always" be true when it hasn't happened yet? |
| 20:59.31 | Xuerian | McScott: I have about 20 characters. This is my author name ;P |
| 20:59.42 | lalla521 | geez, blizz really have to do something for loottables in expansion... 4th time we get the same crap from aq40 -.- |
| 20:59.45 | McScott | How many can you have on one account? |
| 20:59.52 | Rhaegar | like 50 |
| 20:59.53 | Xuerian | 10 per server |
| 20:59.59 | McScott | Ah... |
| 21:00.00 | Xuerian | There's no cap per account afaik |
| 21:00.11 | McScott | Maybe I can get someone to let me play on their account then! |
| 21:00.13 | Rhaegar | yes there is, but why would you want 30+ alts? |
| 21:00.19 | Xuerian | Rhaegar: Why not? |
| 21:00.23 | lalla521 | Corrodias: well, its needed after the trial, if you buy BC, and very likely any other future expansion :P |
| 21:00.37 | McScott | But I bet you can't have two characters logged on at onces... |
| 21:00.40 | McScott | *once |
| 21:00.42 | Xuerian | Nope. |
| 21:00.44 | Rhaegar | no you cant |
| 21:00.50 | McScott | So there goes that idea. |
| 21:00.51 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 21:00.57 | Thunder_Child | reg and test server |
| 21:01.03 | lalla521 | also if blizz catches up that you're sharing an account you'll get banned |
| 21:01.04 | Thunder_Child | and or beta |
| 21:01.05 | Rhaegar | Xuerian well unless you just HAVE to have a char of every race/sex/class possible |
| 21:01.08 | Xuerian | You can share a account, yes.... But once you get addicted and want to play more, your'e in a bind |
| 21:01.11 | Xuerian | Rhaegar: Of course I do |
| 21:01.20 | Rhaegar | :S |
| 21:01.31 | Rhaegar | have fun when TBC comes out is all ill say :) |
| 21:01.32 | McScott | You can't transfer characters to different accounts huh? |
| 21:01.36 | Rhaegar | yes you can |
| 21:01.38 | Rhaegar | but |
| 21:01.40 | Xuerian | Rhaegar: Damn well gonna :p |
| 21:01.45 | Thunder_Child | Xuerian, sharing an caaount unless it is pairent and underage chiled is illigal |
| 21:01.47 | Rhaegar | you need to have the same last name for both accounts |
| 21:01.59 | Xuerian | Thunder_Child: Did I mention legality? :) |
| 21:02.02 | Thunder_Child | and i cant type today |
| 21:02.08 | Rhaegar | so if your gonna take a char from your friend make sure you put his last name down when you register yours |
| 21:02.18 | Corrodias | blizzard doesn't ban people for sharing an account. |
| 21:02.27 | Thunder_Child | point, but mentioning illigal things is a *bad* idea |
| 21:02.27 | Corrodias | you're just limiting yourself by doing it |
| 21:02.45 | McScott | I don't personally know anyone who plays the game. I know of people who play it, but they are not my friends. |
| 21:02.49 | Xuerian | If saying that it's *Possible* to share accounts is gonna get me kicked, well it's gonna get me kicked |
| 21:02.59 | McScott | They are just people that I have talked with before. |
| 21:03.01 | Corrodias | hay guys, it's possible to hack! |
| 21:03.09 | Xuerian | Yes it is, Corrodias :P |
| 21:03.30 | McScott | Do you all use hacks in the game? Like speed hacks and such? |
| 21:03.34 | Xuerian | No. |
| 21:03.37 | Rhaegar | nope. |
| 21:04.03 | *** join/#wowi-lounge qw` (n=qw@84.211.225.217) |
| 21:04.03 | Corrodias | wouldn't dream of it, not with Warden around |
| 21:04.10 | McScott | Warden? |
| 21:04.16 | Thunder_Child | they changed the talents again http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=34925108&sid=1 |
| 21:04.17 | Rhaegar | google it |
| 21:04.25 | Corrodias | google your mom |
| 21:04.33 | McScott | Oooohhh! |
| 21:04.34 | Rhaegar | it basically scans all the processes you have running |
| 21:04.40 | Rhaegar | and if you have a known hack on |
| 21:04.42 | Rhaegar | it reports you |
| 21:04.44 | Xuerian | Yeah, wow is actually spyware :P |
| 21:04.50 | McScott | I know how those work. |
| 21:05.01 | McScott | I've played games that have like NProtect or something. |
| 21:05.03 | Corrodias | Warden is a feature of WoW that scans your memory and perhaps certain locations of your drive for trojans, keyloggers, hacks, and such |
| 21:05.09 | lalla521 | there are enough gold farmers/exploiters... dont start to think of hacks before even star playing -.- |
| 21:05.10 | Xuerian | Precisely |
| 21:05.17 | McScott | Does AutoIt work? |
| 21:05.18 | Rhaegar | and still no word on if counterspell being on the global cooldown is a bug or not :< |
| 21:05.19 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Mery2 (i=metelman@p54AEE13B.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 21:05.22 | Corrodias | & bots, & whatever else blizzard feels like having it look for |
| 21:05.32 | Corrodias | what's autoit? |
| 21:05.50 | lalla521 | woot... tree of life now slows for ONLY 20%... sucks anyway -.- |
| 21:05.52 | McScott | Something that you can use to make bots and stuff. |
| 21:06.08 | Xuerian | McScott: Works? Sure. Not sure if it's picked up as a hack. |
| 21:06.10 | McScott | Whether it be for games or trivial Windows tasks. |
| 21:06.16 | Corrodias | it would probably -work-, but there's a very good chance that it's on Warden's watch list. |
| 21:06.25 | Cide | lalla521: actually, a lot of people seem to like it in beta |
| 21:06.32 | Corrodias | and therefore there's a very good chance you'd be banned within a day or two |
| 21:06.43 | Corrodias | i don't know how long it takes them to respond |
| 21:06.59 | McScott | I wouldn't risk getting banned on something I paid for. |
| 21:07.09 | Xuerian | That's the idea :) |
| 21:07.11 | McScott | But I have used cheats before on free games. |
| 21:07.15 | McScott | I will admit. |
| 21:07.44 | Thunder_Child | would be nice if it didnt lag the game a bit when loading |
| 21:07.44 | Josh_Borke | i'll admit it. i cheated in D2 |
| 21:07.54 | McScott | What's D2? |
| 21:08.04 | Corrodias | diablo 2 maphack, loved it |
| 21:08.06 | Xuerian | I cheated in DotA with maphack. I still sucked at the game, and it made it boring XD |
| 21:08.08 | Thunder_Child | diablo 2 |
| 21:08.26 | Thunder_Child | i used maphak as well...so much easier |
| 21:09.02 | Corrodias | and yet, still fun |
| 21:09.16 | Xuerian | Tried hacks in MW4, too, but games just aren't fun if I know it's not me doing the killing, and instead some cheap trick. |
| 21:09.25 | lalla521 | cide: really? to me it does not seem worth 41 pts, but i can be wrong |
| 21:09.37 | McScott | I used to always hear people talk about games like Diablo and Everquest. I always thought PC games were for nerdier folk. But I guess they're not much different from console games other than the fact that they can consume your life if you're not careful. |
| 21:10.57 | Xuerian | Consume? Understatement :P |
| 21:10.58 | McScott | I'm sure there are people who play games like WoW in moderation. |
| 21:10.58 | Thunder_Child | what..where? |
| 21:10.58 | Xuerian | Consume indicates delicate consumption. More like ravage, savage, commandeer, then utterly trash |
| 21:10.58 | Corrodias | i could be ruining my academic career by playing WoW too much if i don't schedule my time better |
| 21:11.00 | McScott | Are you a college student? |
| 21:11.21 | Xuerian | Lots of the devs in the addon channels are :p |
| 21:11.38 | Thunder_Child | and older |
| 21:12.24 | McScott | You all seem like an older croud than I would expect to see in a WoW chat. |
| 21:12.28 | Corrodias | yeah |
| 21:12.42 | Thunder_Child | well most 13 yo's dont mod |
| 21:12.47 | McScott | Most games I have played are inhabited by people around the age of 13. |
| 21:12.52 | Thunder_Child | at least like wow does it |
| 21:12.57 | Cide | that's just because we have a reputation to maintain. when we play alts, we're all like "LOL WERE IS MANKIRK WFIFE?!?" |
| 21:12.58 | Xuerian | Just because the channel isn't, doesn't mean the game isn't, McScott :P |
| 21:12.58 | Corrodias | http://s88.photobucket.com/albums/k191/Corrodias/?action=view¤t=crowded.jpg&refPage=&imgAnch=imgAnch3 |
| 21:13.05 | Corrodias | this is why i don't like indoor areas |
| 21:13.11 | Thunder_Child | well except for Cide anyways |
| 21:13.31 | Cide | apparently. :) |
| 21:13.35 | McScott | What is this channel anyway? I found it on a random webpage looking for people to ask about WoW. |
| 21:13.41 | Xuerian | McScott: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6557 |
| 21:13.41 | Corrodias | the horde may not be as bad as the alliance in that regard of having annoying players... |
| 21:13.42 | Corrodias | maybe. |
| 21:13.43 | Thunder_Child | Corrodias....are you supposed to have a screen? |
| 21:13.51 | Rhaegar | addon development i think McScott |
| 21:13.57 | Corrodias | Thunder_Child: thank god for the tab key |
| 21:13.59 | MentalPower | Xuerian: Its an AddOn for mod authors and mod development |
| 21:14.01 | Xuerian | McScott: This is the WoWInterface channel. General addon discussion and development |
| 21:14.04 | Thunder_Child | heh |
| 21:14.05 | lalla521 | this channel is for addons chat and developing support |
| 21:14.09 | Rhaegar | although i haven't seen any addon discussion |
| 21:14.10 | Xuerian | Huhwhatnow, MentalPower? |
| 21:14.15 | McScott | So you all actually work on the game? |
| 21:14.17 | MentalPower | sorry, wrong tab |
| 21:14.25 | MentalPower | meant that for McScott |
| 21:14.25 | Rhaegar | but has more conversation then any channel on quakenet in the 10 minutes ive been here |
| 21:14.28 | Rhaegar | so grats on that |
| 21:14.30 | lalla521 | kinda yes but indipentently from blizzard |
| 21:14.39 | McScott | How does that make it legal? |
| 21:14.44 | Xuerian | McScott: On the game? No. On the interface players use, yes |
| 21:14.47 | lalla521 | addons are 3rd part software |
| 21:14.48 | Corrodias | addons are legal mods you can make to the interface of the game |
| 21:15.04 | Corrodias | if you look at the screenshot i just linked to, you'll see it looks way different from the one you saw before |
| 21:15.09 | McScott | Oh... Do you do so as a fan service? |
| 21:15.12 | Xuerian | Addons are scripts loaded at gametime that have access to the WoW API (what isn't protected) and are written in lua |
| 21:15.22 | Corrodias | well, not all -that- different. i use the default action bars, yet. |
| 21:15.27 | SB1-Work | McScott, or for self-entertainment purposes. |
| 21:15.28 | Xuerian | Fan service? A lot of the mods are written for our own use, released, and tweaked according to suggestions |
| 21:15.33 | McScott | I see. |
| 21:16.02 | McScott | Are any of you all computer scientists? |
| 21:16.03 | Xuerian | That or people who have run out of all desire to play wow, yet are still addicted (such as me), often work on addons :P |
| 21:16.16 | SB1-Work | I didn't like the circular minimap, and I disliked how squareminimap worked, and hated that I had to have moveanything in order to move it |
| 21:16.26 | Corrodias | i'm a CS major, but i don't write addons, myself. |
| 21:16.29 | Thunder_Child | Xuerian lost his wow mojo |
| 21:16.31 | SB1-Work | So I hacked together an addon that makes the minimap look and work how I want it to |
| 21:16.42 | McScott | I'm going to major in CS. |
| 21:16.47 | SB1-Work | It's hardly a "fan service" when it's more of a "self service" ;) |
| 21:17.01 | McScott | I'm in my Senior year of high school right now. |
| 21:17.08 | Thunder_Child | there is a broad range in CS what part? |
| 21:17.13 | Xuerian | McScott: I'm a self-taught web designer and database coder, I've held down computer tech, network setup, and network administration positions :P |
| 21:17.14 | McScott | But we have a computer science class. |
| 21:17.25 | McScott | We work in Java though. |
| 21:17.34 | McScott | It's now the AP standard. |
| 21:17.38 | lalla521 | uuuh i hate java >_< |
| 21:17.52 | Corrodias | java, nice language, a little tough to use in certain ways |
| 21:17.59 | McScott | Cell phones are a big market though, and most cell phones use java |
| 21:18.17 | lalla521 | ye true but i dont like it anyway |
| 21:18.22 | McScott | Object Oriented Programming is pretty cool too. |
| 21:18.32 | Corrodias | Lua is pretty spiffy, too |
| 21:19.06 | McScott | What college do you go to where you are a CS major? |
| 21:19.12 | Josh_Borke | asm is pretty cool too |
| 21:19.21 | MentalPower | CompE major here |
| 21:19.59 | McScott | Corrodias? |
| 21:20.14 | Thunder_Child | i have my BS in Network enginerring and now i get to go on and get a degree in something else |
| 21:20.22 | tyroney|work | asm rocks! Core war! |
| 21:20.40 | McScott | What college do you go to? |
| 21:20.49 | Corrodias | UWEC, wisconsin - eau claire |
| 21:21.01 | McScott | IS that a good school? |
| 21:21.12 | wereHamster | Josh_Borke, asm is fun until you have to debug it ;) |
| 21:21.23 | McScott | I live in Austin, so I'm planning on going to UT. |
| 21:21.40 | McScott | They're supposed to have a good engineering program. |
| 21:21.52 | Corrodias | unreal tournament? |
| 21:22.06 | Thunder_Child | tuson? |
| 21:22.13 | Thunder_Child | if i could spell... |
| 21:22.33 | lalla521 | McScott: modern languages are nearly all object oriented :P |
| 21:22.34 | Corrodias | unreal tucson? |
| 21:22.43 | Thunder_Child | university of |
| 21:23.04 | lalla521 | McScott: i just love c++ btw, even if it has some complex syntax |
| 21:23.21 | McScott | I noticed that Actionscript 3.0 is more object oriented (for those of you who do any Flash). |
| 21:24.50 | MentalPower | <--- Iowa State University |
| 21:25.52 | McScott | Can anyone give me a link to the WoW free trial? |
| 21:26.32 | Corrodias | there's a link for a 10-day trial on the front page of worldofwarcraft.com |
| 21:26.48 | McScott | Is that the longest trial there is? |
| 21:26.49 | Corrodias | the 14-day one must be the one that takes a "friend code" |
| 21:27.08 | McScott | Ah... |
| 21:27.35 | Thunder_Child | i have an extra if you would like |
| 21:27.39 | Corrodias | hm. or not. i see this is 10 days too. |
| 21:27.47 | Corrodias | but one of us gets a free month if you sign up through us and decide to buy the game. |
| 21:28.08 | MentalPower | (and pay at least a month) |
| 21:28.16 | Corrodias | that doesn't give you much incentive to take us up on it, though, does it |
| 21:28.22 | McScott | "Sign up" as in play the trial first? |
| 21:28.37 | Thunder_Child | no, buy the game and play for at least a month |
| 21:29.05 | lalla521 | well today i went to a mmh... how it is said in english |
| 21:29.06 | Corrodias | you can play the trial first. if you upgrade the account to full and pay for a month, the person you used as a reference gets one free month |
| 21:29.14 | lalla521 | big supermarket? commercial center? |
| 21:29.18 | McScott | That's what I was trying to ask. |
| 21:29.19 | Thunder_Child | mall? |
| 21:29.21 | McScott | Well then... |
| 21:29.29 | lalla521 | however, they were selling wow trials for 2€ and wow full for 19.99€ |
| 21:29.39 | lalla521 | if you upgrade from trial to full you get 2€ discount |
| 21:29.43 | lalla521 | and trial is 14 days |
| 21:29.52 | McScott | Corrodias, can you give me the link to where I would play the trial through your account. |
| 21:29.54 | Corrodias | the US version trial is only 10 days. :( |
| 21:29.58 | lalla521 | so you might want to check some store near you if you want 14 days |
| 21:30.04 | Thunder_Child | no, there are 14 day US ones |
| 21:30.36 | Corrodias | it seems you email the person a trial key |
| 21:30.44 | Thunder_Child | no i dont |
| 21:30.47 | Thunder_Child | mt |
| 21:31.02 | McScott | Oh... |
| 21:31.16 | Thunder_Child | hmm..first time i made a misstell from wow chat... |
| 21:31.27 | Kirkburn | Corrodias, please tell me your UI isn't always like that indoors? :/ |
| 21:31.46 | McScott | Can I change my email later if I sign up through the email you send me? |
| 21:31.54 | Thunder_Child | yea, learn to lower UI scale |
| 21:32.30 | Corrodias | Kirkburn: well, the big problem there is that everybody's backs are up against a wall and i have all the floating names turned on |
| 21:33.24 | zenzelezz | I have had player names completely off (not just in raids) for about a month and a half now, and WoW feels so much cleaner |
| 21:33.29 | Corrodias | i'm not sure. i bet their customer service can change it, if there's nothing in the account management page to change it. |
| 21:33.34 | Kirkburn | I wish they'd fix the awful font on the action bars |
| 21:33.39 | McScott | Hmm... |
| 21:33.47 | Rhaegar | you need to email them the CD key and stuff to change your email |
| 21:33.51 | Corrodias | wait, there it is! |
| 21:34.00 | Rhaegar | because they send stuff like beta keys(!) to it |
| 21:34.11 | Kirkburn | They forced it to two colours in the code, so it doesn't anti-alias (I fixed that for CF, iirc) |
| 21:34.14 | Corrodias | no, ther it isn't! never mind. the email field is missing. |
| 21:34.37 | McScott | You wouldn't get a cd key if you sign up through the trial would you? Is it the same type of key? |
| 21:34.51 | Rhaegar | you need to buy the box for a CD key |
| 21:34.57 | Rhaegar | box = retail version |
| 21:35.01 | McScott | Yeah... |
| 21:35.29 | McScott | I'll probably just sign up for the trial, and then sign up for the real thing with a new account. |
| 21:35.31 | Kirkburn | Corrodias, you need <I wonder what Kirkburn would plug now> and a lower UI scale =) |
| 21:36.03 | Rhaegar | might as well |
| 21:36.07 | Rhaegar | its 10 days free play time |
| 21:36.08 | Corrodias | UI scale, not a bad idea |
| 21:36.22 | Kirkburn | Indeed, you have to buy the box to get the full account key, there's no other way (at the moment) |
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| 21:36.43 | Corrodias | i wonder why you'd use a new account. are you trying to hide your purchase? |
| 21:36.53 | Thunder_Child | but the box is only $20 now |
| 21:36.57 | Thunder_Child | so it's not so bad |
| 21:37.38 | Kirkburn | The trial key is separate to the full key. The account type is determined by the key attacked to it (hence you can upgrade from trial to full by inputting the new key) |
| 21:37.46 | Kirkburn | *attached |
| 21:37.49 | McScott | No. Like I said, I will probably screw up my first character. |
| 21:38.03 | Kirkburn | No matter, you can delete him :P |
| 21:38.17 | Iriel | You get 50 characters on one account |
| 21:38.17 | zenzelezz | or even just create new ones on the same account |
| 21:38.21 | Kirkburn | In any case, it won't matter, you can just start new ones |
| 21:38.23 | Iriel | you can screw up a LOT before you need to delete any |
| 21:38.24 | Thunder_Child | besides, you cant really screw up a char permanently |
| 21:38.54 | Kirkburn | (also, I doubt you'll 'screw it up' anyway, WoW is very easy to get into and understand) |
| 21:39.08 | McScott | I'm making a new gmail account right now. |
| 21:39.19 | Kirkburn | My first char is still my main (and I'd never played an MMO before) |
| 21:39.31 | Mery2 | also you can't really screw up characters beside the looks |
| 21:39.42 | Rhaegar | unless you go a troll mage |
| 21:39.43 | zenzelezz | new WoW, new Gmail... ;) |
| 21:40.01 | Rhaegar | seriously will of the forsaken is worth it :> |
| 21:40.06 | McScott | Ha-ha! |
| 21:40.06 | Mery2 | well I take that back |
| 21:40.42 | Mery2 | killing AD / Steemwheedle people will screw up your character (partly) =P |
| 21:40.45 | Corrodias | play horde. i beg you. |
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| 21:41.06 | McScott | "Sweet! Go to my inbox." |
| 21:41.06 | Corrodias | if you're competent. if you suck at everything you do, please play alliance! |
| 21:41.11 | Thunder_Child | well there are less hored...but there is a reason for that |
| 21:41.20 | Thunder_Child | horde* |
| 21:41.39 | zenzelezz | bad way to put it |
| 21:41.48 | zenzelezz | you make it sound like all alliance are alliance for the same reason ;) |
| 21:41.53 | McScott | It seems that Google assumes I would respond, "Sweet! Go to my inbox." |
| 21:42.11 | McScott | That is so hip... |
| 21:42.15 | Thunder_Child | yes, alliance is more fun |
| 21:42.24 | lalla521 | well alliance is not that bad... except in AB & WSG pugs -___-' |
| 21:42.36 | zenzelezz | I disagree, I think both sides are equally fun |
| 21:42.53 | zenzelezz | the people may not be, but that's not because of their side |
| 21:43.00 | lalla521 | ye, expecially now that ally will have shamans :evilgrin: |
| 21:43.03 | Tain | Having raided in both, I found Horde more fun overall. |
| 21:43.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | <Rhaegar> unless you go a troll mage |
| 21:43.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | i just rolled one :P |
| 21:43.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | hes level 23 now |
| 21:43.51 | zenzelezz | now that's powerleveling |
| 21:43.54 | lalla521 | go undead! |
| 21:43.58 | lalla521 | wotf ftw |
| 21:44.02 | lalla521 | not troll :P |
| 21:44.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | he's at 2 days played so far |
| 21:44.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | not really leveling fast |
| 21:44.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | :[ |
| 21:44.07 | Corrodias | the horde and alliance are both fun, i'm sure. blizzard seems to give more -care- to the allies, though. |
| 21:44.18 | zenzelezz | Mr_Rabies: I was making a joke about the "just" part of the sentence ;) |
| 21:44.26 | lalla521 | nope... they give somethign to ally,. something to horde |
| 21:44.26 | zenzelezz | as in "just five minutes ago" |
| 21:44.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | i know :P |
| 21:44.37 | Tain | Alliance is just easier. |
| 21:44.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've leveled a 60 on both |
| 21:44.38 | Corrodias | lalla521: let me find a post i made, and you can respond to it |
| 21:45.04 | Tain | Paladins bring more to raids than Shamans by a long stretch. |
| 21:45.04 | lalla521 | ye |
| 21:45.04 | zenzelezz | <Corrodias> the horde and alliance are both fun, i'm sure. blizzard seems to give more -care- to the allies, though. <--- but alliance still lacks a 30 DPS fishing pole |
| 21:45.04 | lalla521 | sure |
| 21:45.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | and horde makes people a lot more prepared for pvp by having tougher quests |
| 21:45.13 | Mery | good night all |
| 21:45.17 | lalla521 | that's because there are now going to be ally shamans and horde pallys |
| 21:45.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | alliance quests are easier, but easy != fun |
| 21:45.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | <Tain> Paladins bring more to raids than Shamans by a long stretch. |
| 21:45.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | Shamans bring more to 5 mans than pallies |
| 21:46.03 | Corrodias | lalla521: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=29926303&postId=321347913&sid=1#249 |
| 21:46.06 | Tain | I was talking about raids. |
| 21:46.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | just different types of balancing things |
| 21:46.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | well, good shamans bring more to 5mans than pallies |
| 21:46.33 | Tain | I do still think though that the totem system was a great idea, and fatally flawed in its implementation. |
| 21:46.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | i think totems should be slightly mobile, but just as destroyable |
| 21:47.19 | Osagasu | Why does ThottBot Beta show spells trained every level? |
| 21:47.30 | Osagasu | in 61-70 |
| 21:47.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | by slightly i mean, they don't move WITH you, but if you're not effected by one for 5 secs or more it ports to you |
| 21:48.05 | lalla521 | Corrodias wait a min, pulling fankriss :| |
| 21:48.27 | snurre | Osagasu: cause thats the case? |
| 21:48.34 | Xuerian | Corrodias: Good lord, is that your UI back there? |
| 21:48.37 | zenzelezz | ever since a guildie of mine got the second binding in MC we hardly ever go there anymore :-| Could really use the T2 pants |
| 21:48.38 | Osagasu | mmmm. |
| 21:48.40 | Osagasu | Nice. |
| 21:48.42 | Osagasu | Sort of. |
| 21:49.01 | Corrodias | Xuerian: i take it you don't like something! |
| 21:49.01 | Xuerian | No |
| 21:49.03 | Osagasu | I was wondering, cause for some classes it's every level and some every other level |
| 21:49.04 | Xuerian | I don't SEE something |
| 21:49.05 | Osagasu | and some in between |
| 21:49.12 | Xuerian | like, the game >_> |
| 21:49.21 | Corrodias | it's 18 people backed up against a wall with all the names turned on. |
| 21:49.23 | snurre | 60-70 is new abilities every level |
| 21:49.34 | snurre | new ranks, anyhow |
| 21:49.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | that post brings up a couple good points but the rest of it is just worthless whining, corr |
| 21:50.06 | Xuerian | Lol, I know :p |
| 21:50.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | they need to open the ravasaur training, really, is the only one that makes sense to me |
| 21:50.33 | Xuerian | But why not oRA =( |
| 21:50.38 | Corrodias | everything below the numbered points is whine |
| 21:50.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | and add some life to org, maybe, but the "mud huts" are how the horde rolls |
| 21:51.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | or at least the shamanistic portion of the horde |
| 21:51.28 | zenzelezz | comparing only Orgrimmar and Stormwind is unfair |
| 21:51.40 | zenzelezz | Thunder Bluff is pretty detailed |
| 21:51.43 | Corrodias | i haven't seen many alliance towns. i know stormwind is more a parallel to thunder bluff. |
| 21:51.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | UC's got a lot of life too |
| 21:52.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's probably closer |
| 21:52.01 | Tain | And Darnassus is a cesspit that no one likes. |
| 21:52.06 | Corrodias | lol |
| 21:52.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | to stormwind in terms of being alive |
| 21:52.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | or |
| 21:52.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | un...dead |
| 21:52.25 | zenzelezz | Undercity? Has life? Must have changed after I went alliance :-o |
| 21:52.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's got the fight club |
| 21:52.39 | Corrodias | i think there are a few humans caged in the basement, zenzelezz |
| 21:52.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | the npc's summoning voidwalkers, etc |
| 21:52.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | the guy shooting the target |
| 21:52.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | the npcs wandering around talking |
| 21:52.50 | Corrodias | you're right, undercity's where it's at |
| 21:52.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | the human mindslave |
| 21:53.06 | zenzelezz | oh, I thought you meant players |
| 21:53.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | the guy turning people into rabbits and sheep and stuff |
| 21:53.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | it is more active now that you can stay mounted in most of it now, zenz |
| 21:53.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | and cross faction AH's |
| 21:53.29 | zenzelezz | all I remember from Undercity is getting lost all the time |
| 21:53.30 | Corrodias | thunder bluff is the least travelled city because it's in the middle of the continent, while org and UC are right next to zep towers |
| 21:53.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | TB's good for going to silithus though :P |
| 21:53.59 | zenzelezz | what's Crossroads like now that you can just select end-destination on flight paths? |
| 21:54.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | awesome. |
| 21:54.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's a perfect hub to most places on kalimdor |
| 21:54.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | like menethil is on alliance |
| 21:54.28 | zenzelezz | so people still go there? |
| 21:54.36 | Corrodias | i haven't been back to XR in so long, with my hearth set at UC now |
| 21:54.44 | Thunder_Child | only for layovers |
| 21:55.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | people go there long enough to fly somewhere generally |
| 21:55.26 | zenzelezz | I really prefer Stormwind over Ironforge, but I have my hearthstone set at Ironforge anyway, since that's closer to EPL, and still not far from BRM |
| 21:55.34 | zenzelezz | everything except BRM is far from Stormwind |
| 21:55.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | unless you go to stv and take the boat to ratchet, which sucks |
| 21:55.46 | Xuerian | ZG is close to SW :P |
| 21:56.00 | Xuerian | Druid wins =D |
| 21:56.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | my hearth is menethil because you can get anywhere from there |
| 21:56.04 | zenzelezz | my guild doesn't go ZG much though |
| 21:56.51 | lalla521 | Corrodias: ok i read that post |
| 21:56.53 | Corrodias | the biggest differences between the two factions, then? flavor? (horde feels more like primitive, naturalistic people, which i like just fine) quests, population... |
| 21:57.11 | lalla521 | i think that its pretty much pointless |
| 21:57.38 | lalla521 | the mount is well... err... a mount... not that much of a issue |
| 21:57.39 | Tain | I hate Stormwind. I just hate the layout of that city, too many dead ends. |
| 21:57.54 | Thunder_Child | yea, and undercity is easy.... |
| 21:57.58 | Corrodias | if you want to dismiss the points as being of no importance, that's fine |
| 21:58.11 | Tain | I do like Ironforge the best as far as layout goes. |
| 21:58.17 | Xuerian | After a year of navigating, all the cities are automatic :p |
| 21:58.35 | Tain | Thunderbluff bugs the hell out of me too. |
| 21:58.39 | Corrodias | Tain: i must say, i get confused sneaking around in there with all those gardens and taverns |
| 21:58.40 | lalla521 | the south park episode is done by south park team, not blizzard... having only alliance its probably only a matter of aestetics |
| 21:58.51 | Thunder_Child | only problem with IF is the stupid drops |
| 21:58.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | because it makes more sense to people that don't play wow |
| 21:59.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | for them to be humans, etc |
| 21:59.12 | Corrodias | this is true |
| 21:59.14 | Tain | They credited about 20 Blizzard employees on that episode. |
| 21:59.15 | lalla521 | im sorry to say, but that post is pretty much whine |
| 21:59.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | WHY ARE THEY ORCS? ORCS ARE THE BAD GUYS? |
| 21:59.22 | Tain | They worked with Blizzard to do it. |
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| 21:59.30 | lalla521 | lets talk about horde racials way better than alliance's in pvp |
| 21:59.35 | lalla521 | that's an argument |
| 21:59.40 | zenzelezz | Mr_Rabies: better yet... "what's up with those cows?" |
| 21:59.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | haha |
| 21:59.54 | Tain | PVP doesn't enter into my world so it means nothing to me. |
| 21:59.55 | Corrodias | i'm not very familiar with alliance racial bonuses. i understand dwarves resist fear, or something? |
| 22:00.02 | lalla521 | nope |
| 22:00.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's for dwarf priests |
| 22:00.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | fear ward |
| 22:00.15 | lalla521 | night elves has the now pretty useless shadowmeld |
| 22:00.15 | Tain | Now Undead water breathing, that's a racial. |
| 22:00.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | immune to pretty much 1 fear per 30 seconds |
| 22:00.26 | lalla521 | dwarves have stoneform |
| 22:00.30 | lalla521 | humans perception |
| 22:00.31 | Corrodias | shadowmeld, useless? |
| 22:00.35 | Tain | And find treasure! |
| 22:00.37 | lalla521 | and gnomes escape artist |
| 22:00.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | shadowmeld is pretty useless now |
| 22:00.44 | lalla521 | only useful is escape artist |
| 22:00.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | except as a griefing tool |
| 22:00.58 | Industrial | http://www.imagesocket.com/view/WoWScrnShot_101606_235808421.jpg |
| 22:00.59 | Industrial | :] |
| 22:01.07 | lalla521 | horde has warstomp, wotf, berserk and |
| 22:01.09 | lalla521 | hum |
| 22:01.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | i can see 60s in shadowmeld as a 50 from about 10 yards away |
| 22:01.14 | lalla521 | what was the last one |
| 22:01.14 | zenzelezz | humans have +10% reputation! |
| 22:01.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | stun resist |
| 22:01.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | lalla |
| 22:01.29 | lalla521 | ah ye |
| 22:01.33 | lalla521 | 25% stun resist |
| 22:01.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | plus cannibalize is awesome for soloing |
| 22:01.37 | lalla521 | i mean 25 PERCENT |
| 22:01.38 | ckknight | hey all |
| 22:01.49 | Corrodias | excellent points, all |
| 22:01.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | and the 5% more hp for taurens is nice |
| 22:01.52 | lalla521 | when i stun an orc i open a bottle of champagne |
| 22:01.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | lol |
| 22:01.58 | lalla521 | -.-' |
| 22:02.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't even try on my druid |
| 22:02.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm like |
| 22:02.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | bash? |
| 22:02.13 | Shadowed | Anyway to keep a frame from moving when changing the scale of it? |
| 22:02.15 | lalla521 | yes |
| 22:02.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | infinitely on cooldown versus an orc |
| 22:02.19 | lalla521 | bash -.- |
| 22:02.25 | lalla521 | druid too i see :P |
| 22:02.35 | lalla521 | however stun resist gets nerfed to 15% ^^ |
| 22:02.44 | lalla521 | that is already so much but better than 25... |
| 22:02.47 | Corrodias | i can't argue with that |
| 22:03.15 | lalla521 | trust me, stun res, warstomp and wotf really makes the difference in pvp |
| 22:03.22 | lalla521 | ally racials not |
| 22:03.28 | Industrial | wotf <3 |
| 22:03.44 | Shadowed | eh warstomp/stun res aren't huge |
| 22:03.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | i think the factions are balanced |
| 22:03.49 | Shadowed | WOTF is the biggest, but not that bad to get around |
| 22:03.56 | Corrodias | warstomp has its uses |
| 22:03.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | just not equal |
| 22:04.01 | Kirkburn | "A version of the interface kit which works with the Burning Crusade Beta is available here: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/downloads/expansion-bc/addonkit.zip " |
| 22:04.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | warstomp is godly for a druid |
| 22:04.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | warstomp is life and death for a druid |
| 22:04.26 | lalla521 | warstomp is nice for every class |
| 22:04.40 | Shadowed | warstomp isn't very impressive against a priest if they know what they're doing |
| 22:04.50 | Shadowed | people are pretty predictable in when they use it |
| 22:05.06 | Tain | Warstomp is still one of the best racial abilities. |
| 22:05.18 | Thunder_Child | for pvp |
| 22:05.21 | Shadowed | i'd value WoTF over warstomp |
| 22:05.30 | Tain | For pvp wotf, sure. |
| 22:05.34 | Kirkburn | warstomp |
| 22:05.41 | Kirkburn | (sorry, I just wanted to join in) |
| 22:05.46 | Tain | But pvp can kiss my ass, so it doesn't matter. |
| 22:05.47 | lalla521 | i'd trade shadowmeld for any horde racial... excluding berserk :| |
| 22:05.54 | Corrodias | given the things you have mentioned so far, i would say that the AV layout and mount are the only things to be concerned about. then again, if the horde players would just work together in a sensible way, the AV thing wouldn't matter. |
| 22:06.03 | lalla521 | lol @Kirk :P |
| 22:06.14 | Shadowed | shadowmeld is the most undervalued racial |
| 22:06.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | AV's fine if the horde play it right |
| 22:06.19 | Shadowed | in pvp |
| 22:06.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | if they defend IB properly, AV's perfectly fine |
| 22:06.32 | lalla521 | before the nerf it was overpowered for nelf hunters |
| 22:06.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | but they never do |
| 22:06.39 | Corrodias | i've seen it happen that the horde team actually plays right. it's magnificent to behold. |
| 22:06.43 | lalla521 | but pretty much useless to other classes |
| 22:06.53 | Shadowed | anyone who says shadowmeld is useless in PVP apparently doesn't play much |
| 22:06.59 | Shadowed | it's amazing if you use it right |
| 22:07.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah, they need to buff it back and make aimed shot be the only thing that breaks it |
| 22:07.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | mid-cast |
| 22:07.23 | Corrodias | wait, what? >_> |
| 22:07.24 | lalla521 | what would be the use of shadowmeld in pvp right now? |
| 22:07.26 | Thunder_Child | shadow meld and charge are excelnt togeather |
| 22:07.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | shadowmeld breaks when you start casting spells now |
| 22:07.38 | lalla521 | just to camp a little better |
| 22:07.47 | Tain | Anyone who makes broad generalizations about other people obviously doesn't play much. |
| 22:07.49 | Shadowed | hiding, guarding, waiting |
| 22:08.00 | Shadowed | Tain it's a lot nicer then saying "you're an idiot" :p |
| 22:08.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | shadowmeld has some minor uses in AB when you're gathered around a flag, but only for a second or two |
| 22:08.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | warstomping while someone's 9 secs into a camp = gg |
| 22:08.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | cap* |
| 22:08.41 | Corrodias | at least the opponents may think that there's nobody guarding the flag |
| 22:08.46 | lalla521 | chain warstomping = win |
| 22:08.51 | Corrodias | i'm not sure that's such a great thing |
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| 22:09.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | if they removed the |
| 22:09.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | sec |
| 22:09.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | gettin ganked |
| 22:09.59 | Corrodias | try again, Mr_Rabies2, you're breaking up |
| 22:10.02 | Corrodias | over |
| 22:10.13 | lalla521 | nope |
| 22:10.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | if they removed the break mid-cast on it other than on aimed shot again, it would be useful again |
| 22:10.27 | lalla521 | shadowmeld is really porr |
| 22:10.28 | lalla521 | poor |
| 22:10.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | not as useful as warstomp, but still useful |
| 22:10.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | it'd be the 2nd best alliance racial |
| 22:10.50 | Tain | At least it's not Find Treasure. |
| 22:10.57 | Shadowed | eh |
| 22:10.57 | lalla521 | uh ye |
| 22:11.16 | Corrodias | i chuckle at that one |
| 22:11.17 | Shadowed | you're trying to compare an offence ability to a defence |
| 22:11.19 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Gryphen (n=masked@c-71-227-151-230.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 22:11.28 | Corrodias | you're right, we're blessed with useful abilities |
| 22:11.31 | Shadowed | if you want an offence ability you want to be a gnome |
| 22:11.42 | Corrodias | what's the gnome one? |
| 22:11.42 | Tain | Being a gnome is offensive enough. |
| 22:11.49 | Shadowed | escape artist |
| 22:11.57 | Shadowed | 0.5 second ( instant in TBC ) 1m cooldown, removes a snare or slow |
| 22:12.11 | Shadowed | er snare, or immob effect |
| 22:12.23 | Thunder_Child | i thought it removed any movement impairing ability |
| 22:12.26 | SB1-Work | Hey! |
| 22:12.39 | Shadowed | maybe, i can't remember exactly |
| 22:12.41 | Corrodias | nice, that is useful |
| 22:13.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | if they moved it to a 2 min cooldown and made it immunity for 5 sec it'd be better |
| 22:13.25 | Shadowed | immunity for 5s would be crazy |
| 22:13.39 | Corrodias | our pvp trinket removes a fear/stun/immobilizing effect, once per 5m, but doesn't make you immune |
| 22:13.55 | Corrodias | there is a potion that makes you immune to that for a while, though, isn't there? living action potion? |
| 22:14.05 | Shadowed | free action |
| 22:14.19 | Shadowed | living makes you immune and removes stuns, free action is snares/immobil |
| 22:15.26 | *** join/#wowi-lounge lalla521-wtf (n=mail@host234-93-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 22:15.45 | lalla521-wtf | hm |
| 22:15.57 | lalla521-wtf | this irc client sucks :| |
| 22:16.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | it doesn't respond to a version command :O |
| 22:16.42 | Industrial | it does TurboIRC |
| 22:16.43 | Industrial | get irssi |
| 22:16.46 | Industrial | irssi.org |
| 22:16.52 | lalla521-wtf | its free? |
| 22:17.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, |
| 22:17.06 | Corrodias | it has .org, doesn't it? :) |
| 22:17.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh that's why it didn't respond |
| 22:17.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | i use mIRC, i love it |
| 22:17.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | because i can actually write scripts in it |
| 22:17.45 | Industrial | lalla521-wtf: its Free |
| 22:17.58 | MentalPower | So is Chatzilla |
| 22:18.10 | lalla521-wtf | Industrial: nice... gonna try it, will be the 4th client i switch to :\ |
| 22:18.13 | Industrial | Mr_Rabies2: well mirc is the only irc client that i know of that doesnt even use a REAL scripting language |
| 22:18.18 | Industrial | i can use perl python lua whatever |
| 22:18.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | which is why i love it |
| 22:18.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | :P |
| 22:18.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | because its scripting is like english almost |
| 22:19.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | i mean |
| 22:19.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | on *:connect:{ |
| 22:19.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:19.15 | Corrodias | totally event-driven |
| 22:19.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | } |
| 22:19.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | bam |
| 22:19.19 | zenzelezz | "when stars connect" |
| 22:19.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | i am a star 8D |
| 22:20.15 | Industrial | nothing beats screen+irssi imho |
| 22:20.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | that means, regardless of my access level, when i connect, if the server is freenode, i join this :P |
| 22:20.30 | zenzelezz | I know |
| 22:20.31 | Industrial | i know |
| 22:20.35 | Industrial | lol |
| 22:20.42 | zenzelezz | for a while I scripted mIRC to look like X-Chat |
| 22:20.45 | Corrodias | People they come together // People they fall apart // No one can stop us now // 'Cause we are all made of stars |
| 22:22.02 | Thunder_Child | oh hell Corrodias's lost it |
| 22:22.30 | lalla521 | btw |
| 22:22.42 | lalla521 | so here there are some devs lurking eh? :P |
| 22:23.03 | zenzelezz | what sort of devs? |
| 22:23.09 | lalla521 | wow devs |
| 22:23.11 | lalla521 | ? |
| 22:23.16 | Corrodias | slouken swings by once in a while... i'm not sure if anyone else does, or is |
| 22:23.40 | lalla521 | well if anyone of them reading, just fix the graphical glitch of gloves >_< |
| 22:23.45 | lalla521 | :P |
| 22:23.55 | Corrodias | what's that? |
| 22:24.14 | lalla521 | the graphic of gloves messes up |
| 22:24.16 | lalla521 | sometimes |
| 22:24.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't know what's up with these gloves i have |
| 22:24.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's like |
| 22:24.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | someone took the gryphon set and made it a glove texture, then ran it through mspaint and saved it as a jpg |
| 22:25.06 | Corrodias | i can't imagine what that looks like |
| 22:25.19 | lalla521 | ill screen it |
| 22:25.29 | Corrodias | excellent |
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| 22:28.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://wow.allakhazam.com/images/fashion/ravensclaws.jpg |
| 22:28.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | they don't look bad on a NE |
| 22:28.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | but the troll texture |
| 22:28.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | is like garbage |
| 22:29.28 | lalla521 | man... you know, when you don't need something its always there |
| 22:29.37 | lalla521 | when you need it it's never -.- |
| 22:29.38 | Corrodias | the gloves? doesn't look so bad, btu that's a tiny shot |
| 22:29.46 | lalla521 | i cant get to screen the bug :| |
| 22:30.05 | Corrodias | arr. |
| 22:30.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | the NE texture's not bad, Corrodias |
| 22:30.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | but the troll one, ugh |
| 22:30.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | fugly |
| 22:31.17 | Corrodias | wait, i know, i can use the model viewer to load it up and see |
| 22:31.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | raven |
| 22:31.39 | lalla521 | ok got it :| |
| 22:31.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | 's claws |
| 22:31.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | is the texture i'm talking about |
| 22:32.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | the glove graphic bug that lalla's talking about is like it doesn't apply the model and uses the non-glove model, right? |
| 22:32.18 | lalla521 | nope |
| 22:32.20 | Corrodias | eww, you're right |
| 22:32.27 | lalla521 | the model gets bugged and bigger |
| 22:32.32 | lalla521 | but weird |
| 22:32.42 | lalla521 | uploading... |
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| 22:33.26 | lalla521 | http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/3628/gloveszq5.jpg |
| 22:33.55 | lalla521 | left is the right one, right is the bugged one... it happens on every glove, every character etc |
| 22:34.37 | lalla521 | it was introduced back in 1.9 if i remember... never fixed :| |
| 22:34.37 | Corrodias | pretty tiny, but i can definitely see the shape has changed |
| 22:34.58 | tyroney|work | Try putting the armor on in a different order to repro or not. I think it's a known issue with a few specific combinations, but you might want to post in the bug forums anyways. |
| 22:34.58 | lalla521 | ye |
| 22:35.16 | lalla521 | no it has nothing to do with combinations |
| 22:35.22 | lalla521 | it just happens randomly |
| 22:35.31 | lalla521 | for a druid more often because of shapeshift |
| 22:36.17 | tyroney|work | Nevermind. |
| 22:37.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've never seen it on my druid |
| 22:37.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | lalla :O |
| 22:37.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | how do you do it? |
| 22:37.11 | lalla521 | strange O_o |
| 22:37.36 | lalla521 | it happens just when the model has to be redraw |
| 22:37.38 | lalla521 | randomly |
| 22:37.49 | lalla521 | if you switch gear, form, zone etc |
| 22:37.59 | Corrodias | i have that bug where things like Hurricane's clouds never go away |
| 22:38.04 | Corrodias | sometimes. |
| 22:38.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | i have glove textures appear on my old model and old textures appear on new models and stuff for a second sometimes |
| 22:38.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | that supposedly only happens when your uptime is over like 30 days corr |
| 22:38.29 | lalla521 | well i think that all we have sometimes the neverending walk bug |
| 22:38.29 | McScott | Which is better, the Horde or the Alliance? |
| 22:38.44 | Corrodias | ...that's a bizarre thing, Mr_Rabies2. |
| 22:38.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | McScott, kinda depends, WoW's pretty well balanced really |
| 22:38.58 | lalla521 | McScott: choose the one you like the most |
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| 22:39.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | if you want to be prepared more for PVP and have a higher general percentage of people that know what they're doing, go horde |
| 22:39.25 | Corrodias | we just had a big discussion about it. i must agree that they both have their nice points, now, except for a couple of minor points |
| 22:39.51 | McScott | Which side are you all on? |
| 22:39.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | both :P |
| 22:40.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've got a 60 orc hunter and a 60 NE druid |
| 22:40.13 | Thunder_Child | suggestion...try both..see which one you like more |
| 22:40.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | and countless alts of varying levels on both sides |
| 22:40.25 | McScott | Undead looks cool. |
| 22:40.39 | McScott | I would also like to be a human. |
| 22:40.41 | Corrodias | a lot of it is down to the "flavor" of the races. 3 of the horde feel like more primitive, naturalistic (which i like), and then the undead are just different |
| 22:41.15 | Corrodias | the allies i'm not as familiar with, but you have your humans, your night elves (kinda nature buffs themselves), techno-geek gnomes, and the dwarves. everybody knows dwarves. |
| 22:41.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | the horde is pretty much |
| 22:41.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | "we need to hold off against the alliance, so lets be homies" |
| 22:42.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | where the alliance is like, WE ARE GOING TO SMITE THE UNHOLY ORCS AND THE FRIENDS OF THE ZOMBIES |
| 22:42.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | well, the humans are at least |
| 22:42.22 | ckknight | horde have honor and dignity and bigger penises. |
| 22:42.34 | malreth | i would choose Blood Elves... because face it. If you're not pretty, it's not worth living. |
| 22:42.34 | lalla521 | taurens indeed have :| |
| 22:42.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | the taurens skew that survey, ckknight |
| 22:42.46 | ckknight | I know. |
| 22:42.49 | ckknight | :-P |
| 22:42.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | i mean, and even if gnomes are tripods of sorts, them and the dwarves screw over the alliance |
| 22:43.03 | ckknight | malreth, you wish your girlfriend was hot like me |
| 22:43.04 | Corrodias | lol |
| 22:43.17 | lalla521 | gnomes are so cute *_* |
| 22:43.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | i feel bad killing them |
| 22:43.25 | McScott | Can you look like a skeleton as an undead? |
| 22:43.33 | lalla521 | hmno |
| 22:43.34 | fox689 | I love killing gnomes |
| 22:43.44 | Corrodias | no, they're all pretty similar except shade of skin color and face |
| 22:43.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | with noggenfogger elixir, any race can look like a skeleton :P |
| 22:43.55 | ckknight | undead are made of bone and flesh |
| 22:43.55 | lalla521 | but druid travel form is much more cutier *_* |
| 22:44.00 | ckknight | not just bone |
| 22:44.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | well, at least the forsaken are :P |
| 22:44.20 | Corrodias | this is an undead. it is made of bone and flesh. (picture of a sandwich) |
| 22:45.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | This is a farmer sandwich. It is made of poverty and SARS. |
| 22:45.13 | McScott | Which one did you say was assassin-like? |
| 22:45.14 | lalla521 | -.- |
| 22:45.19 | lalla521 | rogue |
| 22:45.32 | lalla521 | another rogue is born i gues :|| |
| 22:45.33 | McScott | And what race is that? |
| 22:45.34 | Corrodias | rogue can stealth and do very high melee damage to a single target |
| 22:45.38 | Corrodias | either side |
| 22:45.38 | lalla521 | like there weren't enough |
| 22:45.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | any race but tauren can be rogues |
| 22:45.48 | Thunder_Child | i want a sniper..... |
| 22:45.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | because they're GIANT COWS |
| 22:46.03 | Corrodias | hey. just because we're big doesn't mean we're not ~stealthy~ |
| 22:46.07 | Thunder_Child | yea, like a dwarf can sneak.... |
| 22:46.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | and hooves aren't very sneaky |
| 22:46.10 | lalla521 | ye |
| 22:46.15 | ckknight | stomp stomp stomp |
| 22:46.16 | ckknight | stab |
| 22:46.19 | Industrial | http://www.wowace.com/forums/index.php?topic=2663.new#new |
| 22:46.20 | ckknight | stomp stomp stomp |
| 22:46.21 | lalla521 | i guess how in the hell they made dwarves rogue possible |
| 22:46.23 | ckknight | great rogues. |
| 22:46.25 | Industrial | stab stab |
| 22:46.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | dwarves can sneak up just close enough to club you repeatedly with a mace |
| 22:46.30 | Corrodias | so you think a rogue using warstomp somehow feels wrong |
| 22:46.35 | ckknight | lalla521, or Gnome Warriors |
| 22:46.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah, a rogue with warstomp would be god |
| 22:46.52 | Corrodias | rogues can stun, that's another thing. they have good stuns. |
| 22:47.04 | lalla521 | ye even gnome warriors |
| 22:47.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | is plainsrunning really returning in TBC? someone mentioned it and i dont think that it's really happening :P |
| 22:47.13 | Industrial | I think a tauren sneaking feels wrong |
| 22:47.17 | Industrial | the end i win |
| 22:47.18 | Industrial | :P |
| 22:47.23 | Corrodias | other high damage output classes are... well, pretty well any of the classes can focus on doing damage, can't they? even priests can do shadowform. |
| 22:47.26 | ckknight | no, mr_Rabies |
| 22:47.31 | lalla521 | i guess its fake... (plainrunning thing= |
| 22:47.33 | ckknight | there's no reason for it to. |
| 22:47.38 | ckknight | Tauren have mounts |
| 22:47.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | be fun though |
| 22:47.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | if it was mechanically a mount |
| 22:48.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | but visually plainsrunning |
| 22:48.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | as like a level 70 epic mount option |
| 22:48.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | or even 60 |
| 22:48.29 | Cairenn | ckknight: good to see you, we were concerned for you yesterday |
| 22:48.39 | Corrodias | would it be correct to say that rogues are... -less- useful than most of the other classes in large raids? melee guys without a lot of armor |
| 22:48.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | ooh, what happened? :o |
| 22:48.52 | ckknight | Cairenn, quaketastic |
| 22:49.01 | ckknight | I was in an earthquake |
| 22:49.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | Corr, not really |
| 22:49.02 | lalla521 | rogues are pretty useful in some encounters |
| 22:49.05 | ckknight | power went off for a day |
| 22:49.05 | Corrodias | although their damage output is just fantastic. they make things go down pretty quick. |
| 22:49.09 | Cairenn | ckknight: I heard you guys were shake, rock & rolling |
| 22:49.09 | lalla521 | vael for example |
| 22:49.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | rogues are generally the top of the damage meters in most guilds |
| 22:49.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | and if you're smart you can avoid most AOE damage pretty easily |
| 22:49.38 | *** join/#wowi-lounge General (n=nobody@cpe-70-112-233-221.austin.res.rr.com) |
| 22:49.42 | Corrodias | what do you mean by that? |
| 22:49.46 | General | I got disconnected. |
| 22:49.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | i ferald through most of mc and bwl and did fine |
| 22:49.52 | Corrodias | i mean, how can you avoid AoE attacks so easily? |
| 22:49.59 | lalla521 | mh |
| 22:50.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | fire resist in mc |
| 22:50.03 | lalla521 | moving yourself i guess :| |
| 22:50.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | and knowing when to run for some fights |
| 22:50.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | like uh |
| 22:50.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | the giant guy, what's his face |
| 22:50.37 | Corrodias | ah, yeah, if it's a predictable event |
| 22:50.37 | General | Hello? |
| 22:50.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | before domo |
| 22:50.39 | General | Err... |
| 22:50.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | hi general :O |
| 22:50.48 | McScott | There we go. |
| 22:50.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | or McScott |
| 22:50.49 | Corrodias | [1. General] what? |
| 22:50.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | lollers |
| 22:50.54 | McScott | Sorry... |
| 22:50.54 | lalla521 | btw, rogues are absolutely needed in most encounters, trust me... atleast up to aq40... dont know in naxx |
| 22:51.06 | McScott | I noticed that my name was General for some reason. |
| 22:51.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | gah what's the guy before domo's name? |
| 22:51.47 | Corrodias | general mcscott |
| 22:51.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | brain malfunction |
| 22:51.51 | lalla521 | sulfurun? |
| 22:51.54 | lalla521 | sulfuron* |
| 22:51.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | nono, after sulf |
| 22:52.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | the giant with the 2 doggies |
| 22:52.03 | lalla521 | golemagg? |
| 22:52.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | yes! |
| 22:52.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | golemagg |
| 22:52.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | like, on golemagg, to avoid his aoe, when he hits 15% hp, run the hell away or pop evasion |
| 22:52.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'd suggest running the hell away personally |
| 22:52.38 | lalla521 | well all melees run away at 15% |
| 22:52.44 | lalla521 | except mt |
| 22:52.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | cept the poor mt |
| 22:52.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | :P |
| 22:52.58 | Corrodias | :) |
| 22:53.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | not the rogues in the guild i was in |
| 22:53.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | they ALWAYS died on golemagg |
| 22:53.13 | lalla521 | lol |
| 22:53.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | i was like, guys, sprint if you have to, i mean come on |
| 22:53.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | you're in bloodfang |
| 22:53.26 | lalla521 | ye we have that kind of rogues |
| 22:53.47 | lalla521 | but repair bills will teach them :P |
| 22:53.53 | Corrodias | i mean COME ON |
| 22:53.56 | Corrodias | come on, shelly |
| 22:53.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | i was generally about #5-7 on the damage meters on vael until my ex-guild killed nef |
| 22:54.06 | McScott | Can anyone tell me what class the "horde" is in this video? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iP0ZFuIW3TQ&eurl= |
| 22:54.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | cause of ferocious bite :P |
| 22:54.20 | lalla521 | tell me its not sorrow hill... lets see |
| 22:54.35 | lalla521 | hm no the title does not say sh... |
| 22:54.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | looks like a warrior |
| 22:55.13 | Corrodias | watching the video.. |
| 22:55.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | undead warrior |
| 22:55.16 | McScott | At the end he takes off his gear. |
| 22:55.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | the shoulders are plate, so warrior |
| 22:55.38 | lalla521 | its an undear warrior |
| 22:55.56 | lalla521 | undead* |
| 22:56.00 | McScott | So they do look like skeletons? |
| 22:56.12 | Kaso | is that a wirlwind axe? noob |
| 22:56.13 | McScott | Because that one's arm was purely bone. |
| 22:56.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | they're missing some skin |
| 22:56.22 | McScott | Ohhh, cool! |
| 22:56.24 | Kaso | oh no it isnt |
| 22:56.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | on their elbows and knees |
| 22:56.29 | malreth | just roll an undead and see what they look like |
| 22:56.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah :P |
| 22:56.35 | malreth | my favorite are the ones with no jaws |
| 22:56.43 | lalla521 | go on, be another undead rogue :P |
| 22:56.47 | Corrodias | you don't even have to -make- the character... |
| 22:56.53 | McScott | They're awesome! |
| 22:57.03 | Corrodias | undead rogue! undead rogue! |
| 22:57.17 | McScott | Also I am a big fan of Skeletor. |
| 22:57.27 | malreth | i RP the jawless ones... i make them cough and wheeze to talk |
| 22:57.28 | McScott | He's my favorite "bad guy." |
| 22:57.30 | lalla521 | well you will have your enemy in expansion |
| 22:57.37 | lalla521 | as there's He-man somewhere :| |
| 22:57.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | my favorite bad guy is Arthas/Lich King |
| 22:57.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | :P |
| 22:57.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | not arthas as a pally |
| 22:57.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | what a whiny bitch |
| 22:58.06 | McScott | Corrodias, are you an undead? |
| 22:58.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | arthas as a deathknight = win |
| 22:58.21 | lalla521 | arthas was pretty cool idd |
| 22:58.27 | Corrodias | no, my main is a tauren druid. i have one 33 troll hunter and a really lowbie orc warrior. |
| 22:58.36 | McScott | Hmm... |
| 22:58.46 | McScott | Why did you want me to be an undead then? |
| 22:59.02 | Thunder_Child | be what you would like to be |
| 22:59.02 | Corrodias | i'm just cheering. i'm a very cheerful person. |
| 22:59.13 | McScott | Ah... |
| 22:59.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zC3mqhNduWk there's kind of a zoom in McScott |
| 22:59.19 | Corrodias | it's unlikely that you'll end up on the same realm as i am anyway, unless you specifically choose it, and that's unlikely because the name sucks. |
| 22:59.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | ignore the terrible music |
| 22:59.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | what realm, corr? :P |
| 23:00.05 | Corrodias | eldre'thalas, which by lore is the name of the city that later became dire maul, so it's not even a thing that's currently in the game. -.- |
| 23:00.21 | McScott | That music is pretty bad. |
| 23:00.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | well neither is llane, or cho'gall |
| 23:00.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | (both of my servers) |
| 23:00.44 | McScott | The undead doesn't look as cool without gear on. |
| 23:00.54 | McScott | But the one in the video I showed you looks awesome! |
| 23:01.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah ud wars are pretty cool looking |
| 23:02.02 | McScott | Can you change it to where they don't have hair? |
| 23:02.36 | Kaso | all UDs have hair iirc |
| 23:02.41 | malreth | you can make it so they have no hair, no eyes, and no jaw |
| 23:02.46 | malreth | that's my favorite kind |
| 23:02.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nw7a7BKQQoM&NR there's a good vid of various undead |
| 23:02.59 | malreth | he's oogly! |
| 23:03.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | dunno why the guy thought it would be cool to slow the music down |
| 23:03.35 | Corrodias | http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/wow/addons-2090-1-wow-model-viewer-in-limbo.html -- lets you put together any character you want, for viewing |
| 23:03.45 | Corrodias | (but you need the client installed) |
| 23:03.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | most of the forsaken have no recollection of their human lives, unless they were famous and read about themselves in various books |
| 23:04.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | like dalar dawnweaver in the seplucher, that's so awesome :D |
| 23:04.54 | Hatsuki | http://h.ip.fi/wow/nyahnyah.jpg |
| 23:05.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | blood elves look so emo |
| 23:05.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | with some haicuts |
| 23:05.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | hair* |
| 23:05.50 | ckknight | it's true |
| 23:06.02 | ckknight | but remember, emo is one step below transvestite |
| 23:06.28 | Rhaegar | love that movie |
| 23:06.31 | Corrodias | now i have to throw an exception, here: TransvestiteInsultOffenseException |
| 23:06.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | the females arent so emo |
| 23:06.40 | Corrodias | movie? |
| 23:06.47 | malreth | blood elf males have j-pop hair |
| 23:06.49 | ckknight | Females are just a size 0 |
| 23:06.52 | Thunder_Child | anyone know a chart of crit multiplicators based on class? |
| 23:06.58 | ckknight | Corrodias, it's on ABS |
| 23:06.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | kinda hot in the set you on fire with your mind kinda way |
| 23:07.03 | ckknight | "I guess I'm emo" |
| 23:07.08 | Corrodias | crit multipliers? is it not always 2x? |
| 23:07.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | my first BE male is gonna be named Gackt |
| 23:07.14 | Thunder_Child | no |
| 23:07.19 | McScott | The model viewer gives me an error. |
| 23:07.20 | Thunder_Child | it seems to vary by class |
| 23:07.28 | Corrodias | McScott: have you installed the client, yet? |
| 23:07.42 | malreth | http://park18.wakwak.com/~shoji/nigao-glay.gif |
| 23:07.51 | Corrodias | Thunder_Child: as far as i'm aware, crits are always 2x modifiers. whether that's 2x the base + bonuses or 2x total, i don't know. |
| 23:07.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | aka do you have WoW installed? |
| 23:08.09 | McScott | Oh, do I need to? |
| 23:08.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | nope, corr, spells are 1.5x if i recall |
| 23:08.17 | Corrodias | :o |
| 23:08.18 | McScott | I thought it might come with the models. |
| 23:08.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah, for the model viewer you do |
| 23:08.29 | Corrodias | McScott: i mentioned after my line that it requires you to have the client installed |
| 23:08.36 | Corrodias | it was an afterthought, i admit |
| 23:08.43 | Thunder_Child | s oall spells are 1.5 and all mele is 2.0? |
| 23:08.44 | McScott | Oh, I see that now. |
| 23:08.50 | McScott | Alright then. |
| 23:09.00 | McScott | I'll probably install it tonight though. |
| 23:09.00 | Corrodias | i didn't even know spells were only 1.5, so i guess i can't say for sure about melee. |
| 23:09.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | if i recall, i think all melee is 2x unless you talent it |
| 23:09.24 | Thunder_Child | ok, thanks |
| 23:09.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | and all spells (except some pally stuff) are 1.5x |
| 23:09.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | like hammer of wrath |
| 23:09.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | is 2x |
| 23:09.50 | Corrodias | damn those paladins! |
| 23:09.55 | Thunder_Child | go pallys |
| 23:10.49 | [Cu]Werik | ! |
| 23:10.53 | [Cu]Werik | Go us! |
| 23:11.20 | Thunder_Child | and who is us? |
| 23:11.34 | [Cu]Werik | palydans |
| 23:11.53 | Thunder_Child | mmm..yes then go us |
| 23:12.10 | [Cu]Werik | and Jerry the mouse |
| 23:12.22 | Corrodias | terrible pun ahead: "yeah, go 'away', haha" |
| 23:12.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | "For spells, the chance to crit is based on the Intellect attribute. Critical damage spells deal 150-200% normal damage. Critical heals will heal 150% their normal amount. There is currently no way to see your chance to crit with spells." |
| 23:12.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | according to wowwiki |
| 23:12.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | so i might be wrong. |
| 23:13.12 | Corrodias | "There is currently no way to see your chance to crit with spells." :( |
| 23:13.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | tbc has it i hear |
| 23:13.29 | Thunder_Child | it does |
| 23:13.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | and well, theorycraft addon will show it |
| 23:16.23 | Corrodias | i need a third-grade word for chemical or substance |
| 23:16.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | i need context |
| 23:17.14 | Corrodias | talking about chlorophyll in leaves |
| 23:17.27 | Thunder_Child | reagent is to high then? |
| 23:17.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | what's the rest of the sentence? |
| 23:17.38 | Thunder_Child | and prolly not right now that i think of it |
| 23:17.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | shit i didnt know the word reagent until i started playing wow :P |
| 23:17.53 | Thunder_Child | lol |
| 23:18.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | i like science, but chemistry isnt my cup of tea |
| 23:18.17 | Corrodias | hang on, i'm still trying to form the sentence |
| 23:18.32 | Thunder_Child | lol, corr..come prepaired to class |
| 23:18.58 | Cairenn | "goo" |
| 23:19.10 | Corrodias | i'm thinking of something like, "chlorophyll is a <substance> that helps the leaves turn water and soil into food" |
| 23:19.19 | malreth | ooh... mad libs! |
| 23:19.23 | malreth | i love these |
| 23:19.24 | Industrial | NSFW Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back: deleted scene; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sLuNwIPXlI |
| 23:19.28 | Cairenn | There's this "goo" in the leaves, called "chlorophyll" that helps the ... |
| 23:19.40 | Corrodias | oh, dear. how informal. |
| 23:19.43 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 23:19.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'd use chemical, personally |
| 23:19.51 | Thunder_Child | "stuff" isnt any better |
| 23:19.53 | Cairenn | yeah |
| 23:19.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | but why a "third grade" word? |
| 23:19.58 | Cairenn | I'd go with chemical |
| 23:20.03 | Corrodias | it's for a third grade audience |
| 23:20.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | i think i knew chemical by then |
| 23:20.25 | Cairenn | so 8 & 9 year olds? use chemical or substance |
| 23:20.26 | Corrodias | it's been a long time... i don't know what i knew. we're talking 7-8 years old, right? |
| 23:20.38 | Corrodias | thanks a bunch |
| 23:20.43 | Thunder_Child | well substance may ~= to grugs now so i would be carefull |
| 23:20.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | or just say "plants use this stuff called chlorophyll to turn water and soil into food" |
| 23:20.50 | Thunder_Child | drugs* |
| 23:21.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | i thought they used cholorphyll for sunlight though :o |
| 23:21.39 | Corrodias | that's another ingredient |
| 23:21.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | hell if i know, i haven't had a science class in year |
| 23:21.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | s |
| 23:21.47 | Corrodias | the magic of EM |
| 23:21.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | and plants are boring :P |
| 23:22.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | i liked the blowing shit up portion of chemistry, but not the math stuff |
| 23:22.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | Chlorophyll is an essential component of photosynthesis, which helps plants get energy from the light. |
| 23:23.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | or is that some kinda dumbed down thing that plant experts tell us to keep it simple for our puny minds? :o |
| 23:24.04 | Corrodias | i believe the first one is correct. |
| 23:24.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | (i'm being serious, not trying to prove you wrong, i really don't know, because i hate plants :| ) |
| 23:24.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | i grew up sneezing and not being able to breathe out of my nose because of those bastards |
| 23:24.48 | Thunder_Child | if it moves it's biology, if it stinks it's chemistry, and if it doesnt work it's physics. |
| 23:25.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | Garry's mod covers my physics love |
| 23:26.06 | malreth | poop! |
| 23:26.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://youtube.com/watch?v=KwhaFXBXqKg |
| 23:26.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | its feet are vending machines. |
| 23:26.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | and its legs are graves. |
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| 23:29.02 | Corrodias | oh come now, that thing can't walk.. |
| 23:29.37 | Thunder_Child | looks like it can to me |
| 23:30.08 | Corrodias | okay, *couldn't, if it were more realistic physics modelling |
| 23:30.41 | Corrodias | the center of gravity is halfway between the two vending machines, and the inner side of each vending machine doesn't reach it. therefore, if it lifted one leg, it would fall toward that leg. |
| 23:30.58 | Corrodias | it could shuffle, or make kind of a hopping-walk |
| 23:31.16 | lalla521 | cya all ppl, nice night |
| 23:31.19 | Corrodias | 'ni |
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| 23:31.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://youtube.com/watch?v=eaCyogfRFvc |
| 23:31.40 | Thunder_Child | maybe, it looks more like it's sliding the legs not lifting them |
| 23:31.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | corr, the reason it works is because he has a bunch of invisible balloons attached |
| 23:31.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | :P |
| 23:33.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | if it doesn't work realisticially, it's probably because people attached a ton of balloons and hid em |
| 23:33.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | garry's mod 10 is amazing, you can do all kinda stuff purely through .lua |
| 23:33.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | er |
| 23:33.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | the dot wasn't necessary :P |
| 23:34.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.garry.tv/?p=153 |
| 23:35.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | while not as amazing as a rube goldberg device, really damn cool :P |
| 23:39.03 | Corrodias | i see |
| 23:39.26 | malreth | i'm hungry |
| 23:41.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | i was scared a brown recluse spider bit me yesterday :[ |
| 23:41.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | might still have, i kinda feel like crap in general and my foot randomly starts hurting and has a red spot |
| 23:41.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | but it's not like searing pain like some brown recluse bites, so i'm not too worried |
| 23:41.12 | Thunder_Child | get a new one |
| 23:41.23 | Thunder_Child | foot that is, not bite |
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| 23:42.56 | Kirkburn | I love this picture of Mikk's :) http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Classes.png |
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| 23:44.44 | Xuerian | lol. |
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