irclog2html for #wowi-lounge on 20061012

00:00.01Iriel(you already noted that< I see, serves me right for not scrolling)
00:00.51Irielas an interesting aside I dont believe there's any locale-indepdent mechanism to detect if the player has prowl active
00:04.33*** join/#wowi-lounge hyperChipmunk (n=staharaj@d14-69-214-77.try.wideopenwest.com)
00:17.03*** join/#wowi-lounge Tem_ (n=tardmrr@204.90.50.252)
00:22.25*** join/#wowi-lounge MentalPower|ZZzz (i=chatzill@host-70-45-82-92.onelinkpr.net)
00:26.02*** join/#wowi-lounge malreth (i=triti@cpe-72-179-20-11.austin.res.rr.com)
00:26.08malrethOH SNAP!!!
00:26.53malrethThe "no mods helping make desisions" thread? I biohazzed it and it got moved to the Off-Topic Forum
00:26.55*** join/#wowi-lounge Parak (i=PROFI@user-387g1cd.cable.mindspring.com)
00:27.32Industrialdamit im board
00:27.43malrethwhere can i send flowers to the forum mods?
00:27.53Industrialwhere can i find something to do?
00:27.56Industrialthat isnt wow
00:28.08Industrialor pron
00:28.09Industrial:P
00:28.31Industrialdigg time
00:28.43malrethhttp://www.bestofgooglevideo.com/index.php
00:29.42malrethhttp://www.bestofgooglevideo.com/video.php?video=542
00:30.06Industrialcool thanks i love watching useless videos
00:30.08Industrial(really)
00:30.38malreththe guys on the bikes crack me up
00:32.52Corrodiashuh. i despise pranks.
00:33.04Corrodiasat least physically harmful ones like that
00:33.05malreththen watch the free hugs one
00:33.42Industrialurl
00:33.43Industrial?
00:33.51malrethhttp://www.bestofgooglevideo.com/video.php?video=541
00:35.16malrethyeah... just go to the main site and watch them all
00:35.24malrethi've got an ony raid now
00:35.31malrethta ta...
00:36.54*** join/#wowi-lounge Neebler (n=bum@adsl-66-122-185-241.dsl.chic01.pacbell.net)
00:37.08*** join/#wowi-lounge fox689_ (i=user@ip106-228.pft.wku.edu)
00:45.51JoshBorkehola!
00:50.44Corrodiasthis is fantastic. once again a router has died or something, and i'm having difficulty contacting a lot of locations on the internet, but not all
00:51.29Corrodiasi can hear my music fine, but i bet WoW will be unconnectable
01:04.16*** join/#wowi-lounge Kaso (n=Jonathan@graduate.nat.lancs.ac.uk)
01:09.47Industrialhttp://www.bestofgooglevideo.com/video.php?video=68
01:09.51Industrialahahhah
01:13.10ckknightlol
01:19.23Corrodiashm. no, although the news came in very slowly in the launcher, WoW seems to be fine.
01:26.14JoshBorkeBeladona: wb
01:29.39Beladonathanks
01:33.27MiravlixThe launcher is a web browser and the web is on completley unrelated servers to the game
01:36.50Industrialhttp://www.bestofgooglevideo.com/video.php?video=105
01:39.51*** join/#wowi-lounge CrazyMYKL (i=rumors@gateway/tor/x-b43f87d1aae2ca9c)
01:42.49*** join/#wowi-lounge cladhair1 (n=jnwhiteh@cpe-69-202-110-177.twcny.res.rr.com)
01:48.29*** join/#wowi-lounge cladhaire (n=jnwhiteh@cpe-69-202-110-177.twcny.res.rr.com)
01:57.22Industrialhttp://www.bestofgooglevideo.com/video.php?video=150
01:57.50IndustrialI was gunna make a hint but I guess youll get it =P
02:04.45*** join/#wowi-lounge snurre (n=snurre@AVelizy-153-1-60-171.w86-217.abo.wanadoo.fr)
02:14.55*** join/#wowi-lounge Gryphen (n=masked@c-71-227-151-230.hsd1.or.comcast.net)
02:23.12*** join/#wowi-lounge Kirov (n=Kirov@c-71-198-144-193.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
02:25.53*** join/#wowi-lounge Bleeter_ (n=Bleeter@guifications/developer/bleeter)
02:36.07*** join/#wowi-lounge Xuerian (n=Xuerian@12-196-151-188.psknet.net)
02:41.27*** join/#wowi-lounge Tuller (n=chatzill@c-68-57-185-39.hsd1.va.comcast.net)
03:03.52Beladonalol
03:04.00EsamynnCairenn: you are an evil demon
03:04.12Beladonamay as well just tell them
03:04.40Cairennbeta has started
03:04.50Esamynn~lart Cairenn
03:05.00Beladonaooh, thats a good one
03:05.07Esamynn~botsnack
03:05.07purl:), Esamynn
03:07.16Beladonadon't everyone get excited all at once by the way
03:07.29MentalPoweryeah
03:07.31CairennI think they are all asleep
03:07.35MentalPowerkinda quiet ATM
03:08.09TullerLOUD NOISES
03:09.47Esamynn~lart Tuller
03:10.05Beladonapurl! you dirty rascal!
03:10.05Tulleraww
03:10.13Esamynn~botsmack
03:10.21purlOWW!
03:11.31*** join/#wowi-lounge kelvie (n=Kelvie@d154-20-143-224.bchsia.telus.net)
03:13.26*** join/#wowi-lounge slouken (i=slouken@devolution.com)
03:13.52Cairennhey slouken :)
03:14.19sloukenHey. :)
03:14.30Beladonashhhh, you will wakt the kiddies
03:14.33Beladonawake*
03:17.44Esamynndon't you have to be stealthed to do that?
03:17.45sloukenbackstab!
03:17.48sloukengouge!
03:17.49sloukenbackstab!
03:17.53sloukenpoison!
03:18.11sloukenThe combat log always gets the timing wrong. :)
03:18.13FISKER_QPremeditation->Cheapshot->3500 Eviscerate
03:18.24sloukenvanish
03:18.27BeladonaRetalliation!
03:18.30EsamynnBear Form
03:18.34Cairennlol
03:19.08slouken<PROTECTED>
03:19.13FISKER_Qshould've cast faerie fire
03:19.17FISKER_Qcan't do that in combat :P
03:19.20sloukenargh!
03:19.27sloukenvanish hasn't cooled up yet
03:19.35EsamynnFISKER_Q: I did cast faerie fire
03:19.37sloukensprint
03:19.38FISKER_Qspec subtlety
03:19.45FISKER_Qoh Esamynn :o
03:19.50sloukenhahah!
03:19.59FISKER_Qi joined the RP late
03:20.06Esamynnrogue with no stealth = gimped
03:20.44FISKER_Qi want deathdealer so i can hit 4k with eviscerate
03:20.46FISKER_Qthat ccould be fun
03:20.49Esamynnlol
03:21.42Esamynncould be fun huh? :P
03:21.52FISKER_Qyeah :P
03:22.14FISKER_QThe best one i had is with rank 9 eviscerate, berserking debuff on both me and the target and it was a mage
03:22.14FISKER_Q:P
03:22.17FISKER_QBest oneshot ever
03:22.23FISKER_Q3599 eviscerate crit
03:22.36FISKER_Q+15% would've made that around 4000 :P
03:24.51Cairennzomg FISKER_Q, I think this is the most you've talked in here, and I've only just realized your name is all caps, is making my eyes bleed
03:25.15FISKER_Qhaha
03:25.16Thunder_Childbah there is nothing wrong with a name in caps
03:25.23FISKER_Qi usually only talk in #wowace :P
03:25.35FISKER_Qbut not much happening this time of the morning
03:25.42Cairenn*nod*
03:26.16Cairennbe a sweetie though? pretty please?
03:26.16FISKER_QAnyways see you guys later, gotta go to work in a couple of minutes
03:26.25Cairennhave a good one :)
03:26.40Thunder_Child*mutters* caps hatters....
03:26.45Thunder_Childhaters*
03:26.58CairennThunder_Child: sowwy
03:27.11FISKER_Qaww
03:27.21Cairennthanks sweetie
03:27.21Fiskerbye bye :P
03:27.32Cairennlater :)
03:31.50Beladona0.o
03:32.03Esamynnlol
03:32.33Thunder_Childlol
03:32.33Legorolhm, news hasn't broken on US General yet
03:32.33Legorolhehe i take that back
03:32.33Beladonawell its starting to filter in
03:32.38CairennLegorol: it has
03:33.28Esamynnhttp://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=32189684&sid=1
03:33.34CairennBeladona: at least I don't hug chairs o.O
03:33.45Beladonahey, that was privileged!
03:33.52Beladonahehe
03:33.52Cairennhehehe
03:33.54Esamynnlol
03:34.01Beladonabesides, I have a really nice chair
03:34.07Thunder_Childthats why the alpha server is down for 12 hrs today
03:35.29Esamynn~lart Thunder_Child
03:35.46Thunder_Childmmm..dinner
03:36.25*** join/#wowi-lounge Tem (n=tardmrr@ip68-227-128-41.br.br.cox.net)
03:36.30Thunder_Childspekaing of kittens.... http://shadowdane.shackspace.com/cats.htm
03:36.37Thunder_Childspeeking*
03:38.06Beladonaomg
03:39.08*** join/#wowi-lounge Arrowmaster (i=Arrow@cpe-24-209-111-105.woh.res.rr.com)
03:40.44Esamynn~whaleslap Thunder_Child
03:40.45purlACTION beats Thunder_Child upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh
03:41.16Thunder_Childfreakishly huge?...who has been checking?
03:42.19BeladonaHugh has
03:42.30Thunder_ChildHugh may go blind
03:42.32Beladonahe tried to work it off, but you know.
03:42.59Thunder_Childno no, think dirtyier
03:43.31Esamynn~lart Thunder_Child
03:43.34Beladonaoh I know what you mean
03:43.39Thunder_Childok good
03:44.10Thunder_Childwhy am i continualy beeing larted?
03:44.33Cairennbecause you're here?
03:44.36Cairennwelcome to the channel
03:44.49Thunder_Childlol
03:45.21Thunder_Childthanks....that is a sure way to get me to stay
03:45.35Cairennheh
03:45.49Cairenntends to be a lot of abuse flying around in this channel
03:46.04Cairennif it gets "personal", you'll know it, and I'll put a stop to it
03:46.22Thunder_Childis there a helpfull list of things that "purl" can do?
03:46.49Thunder_Childbut i like personal.....
03:47.10Thunder_Childbesides i cant get insulted or angered....thats what i do to others
03:47.12*** join/#wowi-lounge Tem_ (n=tardmrr@ip68-227-128-41.br.br.cox.net)
03:47.16*** join/#wowi-lounge cladhaire (n=jnwhiteh@cpe-69-202-110-177.twcny.res.rr.com)
03:47.28Cairennwell, the code words in the channel are courtesy and respect (joking around aside)
03:48.12Thunder_Childunderstood
03:48.58Cairennbut most people have been in here for a very long time, pretty good rapport, so a lot of teasing happens
03:49.01*** join/#wowi-lounge Parak (i=PROFI@user-387g1cd.cable.mindspring.com)
03:50.04*** join/#wowi-lounge gnor (n=jaydee@70-38-2-202.vnnyca.adelphia.net)
03:50.15Thunder_Childsounds good
03:52.30*** join/#wowi-lounge Caboose[FH] (n=Caboose9@cpe-66-8-166-76.hawaii.res.rr.com)
03:53.04*** join/#wowi-lounge Xuerian (n=core@12-196-151-236.psknet.net)
03:54.18Plorkyeran14 warriors, 12 rogues, 10 hunters in AV
03:54.23PlorkyeranThis'll be interesting...
03:54.53PlorkyeranMe and a level 51 paladin are the only healers
03:58.03jaxdahlprepare for the flood of beta screenshots
03:58.12*** join/#wowi-lounge brose (n=brose@cpe-24-143-152-032.cable.alamedanet.net)
03:58.50Thunder_Childi think it's against the NDA
03:59.02Beladonano it isn't
03:59.07Beladonabeta content is open
03:59.14CairennThunder_Child: I take it you haven't been to the forums yet?
03:59.16Cairennno NDA
03:59.25Thunder_Childno i am in tha alpha so...thats where i read it
03:59.32Thunder_Childthe*
03:59.39jaxdahlyou're allowed to say you're in the alpha?
03:59.45Cairennyou can't share the stuff you found in Alpha, but anything that is in the current (beta) build is fine
03:59.56Thunder_Childalpha is over thats why
04:00.04CairennThunder_Child: the alpha forums have been converted to beta
04:00.12Cairenneverything has been wiped
04:00.14Cairennall new threads
04:00.17Thunder_Childoh joy
04:00.23Cairennand they've opened up the class forums and stuff now too
04:04.10Thunder_Childare they opening up a ptr for 2.x? (or 1.x in ptr)
04:04.43Cairennlate in CB, from what I hear
04:06.09Thunder_Childall of the beta testers are going to have to help the moders that didnt get in with their mods
04:07.07BeladonaThunder, there will be time for them to test
04:07.20BeladonaI doubt beta testers will want to be sitting there testing other people's mods for them
04:07.34Thunder_Childthats the only thing i will do
04:08.17Thunder_Childif the beta follows the beta from WoW then everyhing created  will be wiped for the release of BC
04:08.44Thunder_Childthen whats the point in putting in to much time and effort except to find bugs
04:09.33Thunder_Childwhich by helping with mods ppl will find some
04:15.48Beladonaeverything created?
04:15.48Beladonayou mean addons?
04:16.30Thunder_Childno, charicters
04:16.36Thunder_Childmeh <-- cant spell
04:16.43Temfor the fun of it
04:16.52Temand for knowing where stuff is once it goes live
04:17.31Temyou remember how the second time you leveled a character it went so much faster?
04:17.39Thunder_Childtrue
04:18.04Thunder_Childthough i prefer to help others more than myself if i can
04:21.18*** join/#wowi-lounge dreyruugr (n=chatzill@68-171-44-192.vnnyca.adelphia.net)
04:23.55*** join/#wowi-lounge Xuerian (n=core@12-196-151-236.psknet.net)
04:24.50BeladonaI am pretty sure we will be ok on addon changes
04:25.00Beladonasome of us are already pretty well versed in them
04:26.58Thunder_Childi'm sure there are a large number of people that are in the beta and know lua and xml, but what about the major programs that dont have any perresentation...say ctraid from instance
04:27.06Thunder_Childctra*
04:27.50Beladona....
04:28.07Thunder_Childrepresentation*
04:28.12Beladonawhat if they do?
04:28.31CairennThunder_Child: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15401595&postId=320874751&sid=1#631
04:29.00Beladonaexactly
04:29.04Beladona=)
04:30.38Thunder_Childlook, all i am saying is that if i CAN help, i will
04:30.56Beladonacool
04:31.06Cairennhelping is good :)
04:31.12BeladonaI am sure people will appreciate it
04:31.38Thunder_Childhelping > all
04:31.53Cairennyup
04:31.55Thunder_Childexcept when you get aggro
04:32.04XuerianBlizzard aggro!
04:32.37Thunder_Childor in my case treeant agro in mara
04:32.46Xuerianlol.
04:32.49*** join/#wowi-lounge Legorol (i=legorol@zr205.trin.cam.ac.uk)
04:56.50*** join/#wowi-lounge Vallerius (n=val@142-165-139-230.sktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca)
04:58.46CorrodiasTem: i think the only reason it goes faster at all with my later characters is that i can buy them equipment that makes a huge difference at very low levels
04:59.16Temnot the case with me
04:59.20Temit's knowing the areas
04:59.26Temnot having to look for the quests
04:59.28Cairennbtw, for any authors that are (or get) in the beta, we've got a download category set up now
04:59.32Temyou can go straight to the right place
05:00.20*** join/#wowi-lounge malreth (n=triti@cpe-72-179-20-11.austin.res.rr.com)
05:00.35malrethhallo, mon
05:00.49malrethhow many threads did you get moved today, mon?
05:00.59Cairennhi malreth
05:01.39*** join/#wowi-lounge Bleeter (n=Bleeter@guifications/developer/bleeter)
05:03.09malrethi only got 2 threads today, i've been such a lazy lima bean!
05:04.13sloukenHey Malreth, thanks for posting sanity on the UI forum, BTW.
05:04.57malrethit's all I can do
05:05.48Valleriusyou'd think the sky was falling, the way that forum has been going nuts lately...
05:06.01sloukenYeah. :/
05:06.23CairennI can't wait until the trolls go back to the general forum and leave us alone
05:06.40malrethi cooked a lovely dinner of pan seared tilapia with butter and caper sauce and a side of baked mushroom and rice casserole.
05:06.41Bela|sleepthey do that?
05:06.46sloukenWait for 2.1, Cairenn
05:06.57malrethBigRedBrent is from the hunter forum
05:07.00sloukenMalreth, can I come over for dinner? :)
05:07.07malrethhe's much more sane over there...
05:07.19malrethhe's just very passionate about what he believes in
05:07.20sloukenyum
05:07.36Esamynnwhat's this about Sanity?
05:07.45Corrodiasoh, there's slouken. somebody wanted to report a serious issue with the... movepad addon
05:07.53malrethand then sprays that passion all over the naked, nubile, feminine body that is the UI & Macros forum
05:07.53sloukenlol
05:07.53Cairennmalreth: he's also http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info4814-Zorlen_Final_Release%21.html
05:07.59Irielthe :click thing is fixed
05:08.05Corrodiasah, then my work is done
05:08.24sloukeneh?
05:08.53Irielslouken: That :Click() could be called from untrusted code and would run trusted, I believe you said you fixed that some time ago.
05:09.00sloukenOh right.
05:09.31Esamynnalthough, we can't really blame him for forgetting details like that ;)
05:09.36malrethyeah, i know he's zorlen... oh my, he's asking for donations...
05:09.46Thunder_Childyes you can...isnt slouken supposed to be a god?
05:10.01Corrodiasjust a nice guy who talks to people
05:10.08Valleriuslol
05:10.11Thunder_GodHello my child.
05:10.13Shadowedhe's a god who wont accept cookies
05:10.15Shadowedjerk
05:10.18Thunder_Childhi daddy
05:10.21Thunder_Godlol
05:10.27Irieldonations?
05:10.35Cairennmalreth: he's been asking for them all along
05:10.35Enddon't smite me!
05:10.41sloukenSorry Thunder_Child, I couldn't resist.
05:10.53malrethhttp://www.geocities.com/bigredbrent/
05:10.54Esamynnlol
05:10.55Thunder_Childit's belive it or not, it's not the first time
05:10.57ShadowedVallerius how's BGCommander going
05:11.01sloukenI believe it.
05:11.07Thunder_Childso so sad...
05:11.13sloukenlol
05:11.22slouken~poke Cairenn
05:11.27purlACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Cairenn, pokes Cairenn repeatedly, hilarity ensues.
05:11.27ValleriusShadowed: coming along great. new release should be dropping this weekend, as soon as it comes back from the translator.
05:11.30Shadowednice
05:11.40Cairenn~lart slouken
05:11.42Corrodiasgah, it's so damn cold in my room
05:11.45slouken!
05:11.46CairennHAH!
05:11.48sloukenMy mojo!
05:12.00Cairennno mo mojo fo yo
05:12.00sloukenWhere's Austin Powers when you need him?
05:12.07Esamynnlol
05:12.08Thunder_Childgetting shagged
05:12.12sloukenlol
05:12.16Esamynn~botsnack
05:12.16purl:), Esamynn
05:12.25malrethAustin Powers doesn't get shagged... he does the shagging
05:12.34malrethyeaaah baby!
05:12.39Thunder_Childwell maybe he was tired tonight
05:12.50End...heh
05:13.00sloukenhe was all shagged out. :)
05:13.06Endlol
05:13.13sloukenwait
05:13.17sloukendoes that really mean that?
05:13.37sloukenhot damn.  *kisses a brit*
05:14.04fox689_~botsnack
05:14.04purlfox689_: thanks
05:14.17sloukenI found a nice forum feature... Sort by: Creation Date :)
05:15.21Shadowedgod isn't very well informed it appears! :p
05:15.21EndI really haven't even been visting the forums as much lately
05:15.21Endtoo much bitching :-/
05:15.21Shadowedoh hey you can sort them
05:15.21malrethCreation Date is boring
05:15.22Bela|sleepok, you know you play too much wow when:
05:15.30Bela|sleepyou read: (01:12:09) slouken: !
05:15.30Shadowedyour guildies are trying to figure out who has the most /played?
05:15.36Bela|sleepand you think he has a quest to give you
05:16.00Endwhich quest did slouken have for you?
05:16.08Bela|sleepgo to bed
05:16.13Endlol
05:16.31CairennBela|sleep: rofl
05:16.34Cairenngo sleep, silly
05:24.18malrethgah... trolls are infesting even the normal questions that people post on the UI forum
05:25.09malreth"Hey... What addon is this?" "it won't work in BC lolz!!!"
05:25.21Cairennugh
05:26.07Thunder_Childso troll = stupid moron?
05:26.23CairennThunder_Child: indeed
05:26.36malreth~wiki internet troll
05:27.14Thunder_Childah
05:27.35malrethoftentimes, trolls are very smart
05:27.47malrethactually, doing it correctly is an art
05:28.21malreththe best trolls are the ones who entice you to respond and you don't even know you were just trolled
05:29.04Thunder_Childsounds like my kind of job...where do i sign up?
05:29.31Valleriushttp://forums.worldofwarcraft.com
05:29.34malreththey used to be more of a 'prank' sort of thing... someone would post a troll, and people who recognized it would laugh to themselves at the people who got hooked
05:29.42Thunder_Childlol Vallerius
05:29.44malreththe term is from fishing
05:30.16Thunder_Childmmm...yes trolling
05:30.32Thunder_Childsounds like it's far more fun here...(i hate fishing)
05:30.39malreththe concept is the same
05:30.49PlorkyeranGenuinly skilled trolls are entertaining
05:30.59PlorkyeranThe WoW boards make it way too easy, though
05:31.07PlorkyeranSo there's a lot of terrible trolls running around
05:31.14malrethyeah... WoW forum trolls are unrefined
05:31.33malrethOMG random violence!
05:31.43Thunder_Childsounds like another day here in LA
05:32.19malrethpurl! bad bot!
05:32.21Corrodiasfortunately, the sound of my headphones penetrates the hood of this sweater just fine
05:32.41Esamynn~botsnack
05:32.41purlthanks, Esamynn
05:33.10Cairennlater malreth
05:35.50Thunder_Childis there a link to the commands for purl?
05:36.32CairennThunder_Child: nope, not to my knowledge
05:36.33CairennThunder_Child: just try stuff
05:36.38Thunder_Childsomeone needs to write one
05:36.53End<PROTECTED>
05:37.03Valleriusooh, apparently beta emails are going out. now to convince my friends to slip me a beta key so i can mod...
05:37.05Endyou might be able to do ~help in here, but DO NOT try it
05:37.23jaxdahlanyone know what the specific rule on 'unreleased content' is?
05:37.34jaxdahldatamining = nono?
05:37.44Cairennjaxdahl: *nod*
05:37.47jaxdahltaking a screenshot of something you find via the client = ok?
05:37.53jaxdahl(aside from teleportation hacks, etc)
05:37.57Cairennif it isn't "public", you can't share it
05:38.05jaxdahlis the beta 'public' ?
05:38.15Cairennthe *beta* is, yes
05:38.20jaxdahlok
05:38.21Cairennthere is no NDA
05:38.41jaxdahlrecording quests you come across = oK?
05:38.41Cairennanything you saw while you were in Alpha (if you were in alpha) that is not in beta, you can't
05:38.54Cairennyup
05:38.58Cairennwell
05:39.06CairennI'm not a Blizz employee, nor a lawyer
05:39.10jaxdahlyea
05:39.12jaxdahli understand
05:39.15malrethi'm back
05:39.16Cairennso take everything I say with that in mind
05:39.21Cairennbut yeah, from my understanding ...
05:39.22malrethwhaddidimiss?
05:39.32Cairennmalreth: not much
05:39.44malrethZOMG!
05:39.50malrethwhy do i keep missing news
05:39.53malreth?
05:40.01malrethgoogle buys youtube?
05:40.11jaxdahlyup
05:40.15Endyou hadn't heard about that? o_O
05:40.16jaxdahl$1.65 billion of stock
05:40.22Valleriusjust wait for it... gootube... /shudder
05:40.23malrethi've been living in a bubble, i guess
05:40.25Cairenndid you also notice the comments about beta invites starting to arrive?
05:40.40malrethi noticed the beta crap, yeah
05:40.43malrethbut GOOGLE!
05:40.52Cairennlol
05:41.32jaxdahlbecause i want to edit this: http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:Bc
05:41.37jaxdahlto reflect what is ok now
05:41.55Thunder_Childyoutube can go die in a fire
05:42.10*** join/#wowi-lounge FISKER_Q\ (n=blah2@cpe.atm2-0-52242.0x50a01902.kjnxx3.customer.tele.dk)
05:42.21FISKER_Q\hey guys :P
05:42.32Cairennwelcome back FISKER_Q\
05:42.58malreth1.65 billion!
05:43.06malrethit's 1999 all over again!
05:43.32Thunder_Childnothing wrong with 1999
05:43.55malreththe age of IPOs and aeron chairs
05:44.16Endthe age of y2k bugs too!
05:44.55Thunder_Childage of graduation for some of us
05:45.08*** join/#wowi-lounge ckknight (n=ckknight@rrcs-74-62-251-185.west.biz.rr.com)
05:46.00Fisker\is there a mailapp that supports some kind of webinterface so you can check mail from work and such?
05:46.10Fisker\other than getting an exchange server ofcourse :P
05:46.38Thunder_Childlike a web based outlook?
05:46.58jaxdahlhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Template:Bc
05:46.59jaxdahledited it
05:47.00Fisker\yeah something like that
05:47.16malrethi bought this video and these two girls were giggling and one said it was 'her first time' but she really seemed to know what she was doing so I don't know what to believe anymore
05:47.21Fisker\how can you datamine a picture? :P
05:47.45jaxdahlextract it from the client files..
05:47.53Thunder_Childbelive that you were swindled out of the cost of the video
05:48.03Fisker\oh you mean like inventory icons and such?
05:49.59jaxdahlyea
05:50.02Fisker\http://worldof.leufven.se/logo.php?text=WTF&text_burning=OMGWTFBBQ+CRUSADE&color=green&font=0&bgcolor=000000&x=37&y=18
05:50.02jaxdahlor models
05:51.27Fisker\:P
05:54.00Iriel2.0 changes thread updated *gasp*
05:54.11Thunder_Childanything good?
05:54.29IrielLet's see, I needed 3 posts to fit it all
05:54.39IrielIt's just me consolidating all of slouken's posts
05:54.52End*gasp*
05:55.00Endnow I don't have to jump around looking for changes
05:55.11End(well, to reference changes)
05:55.31CairennEnd: you didn't have to before, I've been keeping up with them on WoWI as well (per usual) :p
05:56.49EndI was vaguely aware that you were
05:57.00EndIriel: the Lua 6.0 to Lua 5.1 changes?
05:57.11Thunder_Childwoot, rollback
05:57.21Cairennlol
05:57.28IrielEnd thanks 8-)
05:57.35End:P
05:57.40CairennEnd: this post: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15401595&sid=1
05:58.11Endoh, I know about that post, Cairenn, but it wasn't up to date
05:58.20EndIriel just updated it :P
05:59.08End(the issue I had was finding slouken's posts later down the line)
05:59.19IrielWhoever said editing didn't invoke the posting limit was wrong
05:59.29Iriel(regarding some conversation from the other day)
05:59.36ckknighthey all
05:59.43Cairennhi ckknight
05:59.50Thunder_Childsup ckknight_
05:59.53Thunder_Child,,,,
06:00.23Endoh, incidently, there isn't anyway way to
06:00.27Endbah
06:00.30Thunder_Childthere are 17 coppies of you ckknight in my list
06:00.40Thunder_Childcopies*
06:00.56ckknighthow do you mean?
06:00.56ckknightonly one of me, now
06:01.02Endthere isn't any way to "flip bars" in combat due to target change in TBC yet, is there?
06:01.08Thunder_Childyes, but my list has many
06:01.11malreththere can be only one... ckknight
06:01.56PlorkyeranYou can change pages in combat with a click on a secure frame or with the slash command
06:02.05Endthat doesn't help me
06:02.08Thunder_Childhttp://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f284/THUNDER__CHILD/Snap4.jpg
06:02.45Endthe lose of reactionbar-like functionality is going to be really bad for me
06:02.55Endhr,,
06:02.57Endhrmm
06:03.12Thunder_Childyes i think there is...
06:03.16Thunder_Child1 sec
06:03.51malrethgeorge lucas on stephen colbert is golden
06:04.18Thunder_ChildEnd: The UI will allow for certain, very specific, automatic behavior modifications—for example, allowing a button to cast a different spell depending on if your target is friendly or hostile, or depending on if you are pressing a modifier key. You will also still be able to switch action bars—so warriors will be able to have different buttons depending on stance, druids different buttons depending on current form, and rogues d
06:04.27Thunder_Childlike that?
06:04.41Endthat will work I think
06:04.42Endthanks
06:04.51Irielthat sounds about right.
06:04.54EndI thought I saw something, but couldn't find it again
06:04.57Endbut it sets my mind to rest
06:05.09Endthere is nothing I need that TBC can't provide :D
06:05.12Thunder_Childfull article is here http://warcraft-and-you.blogspot.com/2006/10/add-onmacro-lockdown-and-you.html
06:05.56Cairenn|sleepnight guys
06:06.00Endnight Cair!
06:06.01Thunder_Childnight
06:06.05IrielNight Cairenn|sleep
06:06.06malrethnight, Cair-Cair
06:06.07Xuerian'Night
06:06.18MentalPowernight Cair
06:06.48malrethurge to flame... rising...
06:07.01Endplease don't flame
06:07.09Thunder_Child~water malreth
06:07.16Thunder_Childmeh
06:07.16Endflaming makes me a sad panda :(
06:07.41malreth~flaming
06:07.53End~burning
06:07.54Thunder_Child~flamer
06:07.56purlrumour has it, flamer is xLobeznox
06:08.04End~paper
06:08.06purlpaper, play again.
06:08.11End~scissors
06:08.13purlscissors, play again.
06:08.17Enddoh
06:08.18End~rock
06:08.20purlrock, play again.
06:08.22malrethpurl, flaming is <reply>flaming makes me a sad panda
06:08.24purlmalreth: okay
06:08.24End....
06:08.27End~paper
06:08.29purlpaper, play again.
06:08.31Endwtf
06:08.36Thunder_Childlol
06:08.43malrethheheh
06:08.54Endliteral paper
06:08.57Endoops
06:08.59End~literal paper
06:09.01purl"paper" is "<reply>paper, play again. || <reply>scissors, I win. || <reply>rock, you win."
06:09.07End~paper
06:09.09purlscissors, I win.
06:09.12Endnoooes
06:09.18Thunder_Child~lost
06:09.19purlThe LOst Space Tracker. URL: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/8036/lost_page.html
06:09.29Thunder_Childuh huh....
06:09.45ckknighthttp://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=32159762&postId=321675452&sid=1#0
06:09.46ckknightplease voice your support
06:09.49Thunder_Child~loose
06:09.51purlit has been said that loose is the most annoying spelling error.  It's LOSE you moron.  Unless of course you're using loose in a Madonna sorta way.
06:09.51ckknightit's regarding allowing the updating of secure frames on PARTY_MEMBERS_CHANGED / RAID_ROSTER_UPDATE
06:10.04Thunder_Childhah
06:10.28Thunder_Child~lose
06:10.53malrethckknight: isn't that what the secure raid header frames are for?
06:10.58Thunder_Childrofl, for a misspell there is a respons but not for the real thing
06:11.05Thunder_Child~lose Thunder_Child
06:11.07purlThunder_Child: You Lose.
06:11.10Thunder_Childthere we go
06:11.30*** join/#wowi-lounge Qzot (i=user@sandbox.xerox.com)
06:11.38ckknightmalreth, um, I need to look that up...
06:11.45ckknightI suppose.
06:11.58malreththere isn't much about it right now
06:12.04QzotHeyo.
06:12.07malrethbut slouken hints at it in the 2.0 changes thread
06:12.37*** join/#wowi-lounge CrazyMYKL (i=rumors@gateway/tor/x-78f2ba09aaae13ad)
06:13.04ckknightA main issue is that if you have 40 members in your raid, if one player leaves/disconnects, the player at raid40 becomes raid39. If you try to heal her, you'll be healing raid40, not raid39 which she recently became, so you'll be in effect healing nil, which can cause horrible, horrible problems.
06:13.21Endyeah
06:13.40Irielckknight: I believe the SecureRaidHeaderTemplate takes care of that
06:13.56ckknightIriel, got a link to where I can learn more?
06:14.05malreththen the frame that is assigned to raid39 will change to display the info for the person who was just recently raid40
06:14.19ckknightmalreth, what about if someone new joins?
06:14.26Irielckknight: Not yet, and my beta client is still downloading
06:14.32malrethsame thing... and in reverse
06:14.48ckknightno, malreth, since the new frame wouldn't be shown since you're in combat
06:15.00malrethah, that...
06:15.05malrethsee Iriel's response
06:15.24ckknightbeta client?
06:15.28malreththe secure raid head thing
06:15.28ckknightis it in beta now?
06:15.33Endyes it is
06:15.39Endand apparently Iriel is a "friend" :P
06:15.45malrethyeah, and google bought youtube for 1.65 bil
06:15.53ckknightI want in, I want to update Ace2 to 5.1 properly :-P
06:16.03Endwell, slouken mentioned a PTR
06:16.22Endalthough, it seems extremely likely if it's just a PTR, we won't have access to expansion specific features
06:16.29Endwhich is perfect for us
06:16.42ckknightyea
06:16.44Legorol|poofthe UI files will be shared between the two, i beleive
06:16.46ckknightI don't need the expansion
06:16.48ckknightjust WoW 2.0
06:17.03Endyeah
06:17.03ckknightactually, I do need the second return value to UnitRace("some blood elf")
06:17.06ckknightanybody know it?
06:17.18ckknightmy guess is "BLOOD ELF", but I'm not sure
06:17.26ckknightsince Undead's is "SCOURGE"
06:17.33Endso, yeah
06:17.42EndI can't find any documentation for SecureRaidHeaderTemplate anywhere
06:17.51ckknightalso, is there some way to programmatically tell if someone has the Expansion or not?
06:17.54malrethblood elf will be "LIKE, BLOOD ELF"
06:18.01malrethfor sure
06:18.02Fisker\I'd gues it's "BloodElf"
06:19.03ckknightit's capitalized
06:19.16Legorol|poofEnd: as soon as the beta client has downloaded, i'm sure we can start looking at the files and post details about the template
06:19.18ckknighte.g. UnitRace("Some fleshy pink guy") => "Human", "HUMAN"
06:20.27Endyeah
06:20.38Endbut I couldn't even find mention of it :P
06:20.44Endbut I didn't look very hard either
06:20.51End(and I -have- seen mention of it...)
06:21.40malrethomg... my friend just saw the first ep of the 3rd season of Battlestar Galactica.. only problem, the cheap chinese bootleg boxset of season 2 that she watched stopped at episode 10
06:21.53LegorolEnd: didn't slouken comment on it?
06:21.55Legorollet me dig up a link
06:21.58EndI thought he did
06:22.02Endbut I didn't find anything
06:22.18malrethi sleep now
06:22.23malrethlater later
06:22.33Endand I didn't check, but I suspect the forum swarch still doesn't work
06:22.38LegorolEnd: iriel's changes thread mentions SecureRaidGroupHeaderTemplate
06:22.50Endodd
06:23.01Endso it does
06:23.09Legorolslouken's post:
06:23.10Legorolhttp://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15401595&pageNo=7
06:23.15Legorolpost no. 136
06:23.29Endactually, it was probably my fault the quick search didn't work
06:23.46*** join/#wowi-lounge Elkano (i=Elkano@pool013.vpn.uni-saarland.de)
06:25.36Endhuh, I didn't even notice slouken was still in the channel
06:26.51Thunder_Childhe's easy to miss
06:30.40Fisker\what lol
06:30.43Fisker\thought he was a faker
06:30.58Fisker\didn't know he visited community channels
06:31.11Endhe's the real deal
06:31.43Enddon't bother him too much though ;p
06:33.00Thunder_Childno, dont listen to end he really is a faker
06:33.07Endlol
06:34.01*** join/#wowi-lounge Caboose[FH] (n=Caboose9@cpe-66-8-166-76.hawaii.res.rr.com)
06:36.08ckknightLegorol, that tells absolutely nothing about what the SecureRaidGroupHeaderTemplate actually does.
06:36.54Legorolit provides a mechanism for us to implement raid unit frames that work in combat
06:37.03Legorolthe details will be clear once we have beta client
06:38.32*** join/#wowi-lounge quoin (n=quoin@122-49-167-77.ip.adam.com.au)
06:41.56*** join/#wowi-lounge Dolby-wowi (n=Dolby-wo@CPE-70-94-30-72.wi.res.rr.com)
06:41.56*** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o Dolby-wowi] by ChanServ
06:44.56*** join/#wowi-lounge Vathral (n=nn@user-0cev143.cable.mindspring.com)
06:47.57*** join/#wowi-lounge Hoel (n=hoel@196.84-48-218.nextgentel.com)
06:58.18*** join/#wowi-lounge MoonWolf (n=moonwolf@g173217.upc-g.chello.nl)
06:58.33*** join/#wowi-lounge ckknight_ (n=ckknight@rrcs-74-62-251-185.west.biz.rr.com)
07:07.45*** join/#wowi-lounge Gngsk (n=gngsk@c-68-33-204-115.hsd1.md.comcast.net)
07:08.08*** join/#wowi-lounge Fisker\ (n=blah2@cpe.atm2-0-52242.0x50a01902.kjnxx3.customer.tele.dk)
07:15.35*** join/#wowi-lounge Thunder_Child (i=user@c-66-229-53-65.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
07:19.26*** join/#wowi-lounge Xuerian (n=core@12-196-151-136.psknet.net)
07:21.59*** join/#wowi-lounge ckknight_ (n=ckknight@rrcs-74-62-251-185.west.biz.rr.com)
07:22.19*** join/#wowi-lounge chuckg_ (i=chuckg@66-237-5-116.starstream.net)
07:33.29*** join/#wowi-lounge ckknight__ (n=ckknight@rrcs-74-62-251-185.west.biz.rr.com)
07:36.16*** join/#wowi-lounge Eufe (n=kreso@89-172-11-249.adsl.net.t-com.hr)
07:42.14*** join/#wowi-lounge SH|Shabador (n=Shabador@168.84-48-162.nextgentel.com)
07:45.55*** join/#wowi-lounge ckknight (n=ckknight@rrcs-74-62-251-185.west.biz.rr.com)
07:55.10*** join/#wowi-lounge bljakk (n=bljakk@62-99-209-83.c-vzollerg.xdsl-line.inode.at)
07:55.21*** join/#wowi-lounge Cide (i=Cide@81-226-233-5-no60.tbcn.telia.com)
08:13.58*** join/#wowi-lounge Wobin (i=Wobin@218-214-59-86.people.net.au)
08:17.07*** join/#wowi-lounge chuckg (i=chuckg@66-237-5-116.starstream.net)
08:23.09*** part/#wowi-lounge f1aSh (i=flash@duzy.zst.edu.pl)
08:27.52Eufehmmm, you think it will come before the expansion?
08:27.56Eufemt!!!
08:30.04Mr_Rabies2oooh, NDA lifted
08:31.40IrielHm?
08:31.46Hatsukiabout alpha?
08:31.56IrielWhere did you see that?
08:35.29Fisker\alpha is closed
08:35.33Fisker\and the beta has no NDA
08:35.51Irielyeah, but the alpha is still covered by the alpha NDA, I believe, until it's explicitly lifted
08:36.10Irielso people wont be able to talk about alpha stuff that isn't in beta
08:36.11Fisker\yup
08:36.16Fisker\true
08:36.28IrielI wish the beta downloader wasn't so damn slow
08:36.46Mr_Rabies2well there's a fairly large thread that hasn't been deleted yet talking about alpha and the NDA being lifted
08:36.48[Ammo]hmm, when will ptr's be up?
08:36.49Mr_Rabies2maybe i'm wrong
08:36.56Mr_Rabies2it's not in blue text, so i might be
08:37.00Mr_Rabies2http://www.themafia-guild.com/gallery/d/1173-2/Hellfire14.jpg
08:37.00ElkanoIriel, why not extract the torrent, use a programm of your choice and hope for the best? ;)
08:37.01Mr_Rabies2hahaha
08:37.14Fisker\there was a blue stating that you could discuss the beta
08:37.26Fisker\but obviously unreleased content from the alpha were still not allowed
08:37.28IrielElkano: I'm going to bed so I suppose it's irrelevant now 8-(
08:37.41EsamynnMr_Rabies2: you saw that comming right?  I know I did! 8)
08:37.55Elkanoyou'll most likely have gotten a key as MVP, haven't you?
08:38.07IrielI got one as a Blizzard Friend
08:38.08EsamynnIriel: attended Blizzcon
08:38.15Irieland one from Blizzcon
08:38.18Fisker\so he got like 2 keys
08:38.20Fisker\zomg
08:38.23Fisker\give the other :P
08:38.26Esamynnlol
08:38.40IrielThe person who gave me my original wow closed beta key gets the other one 8-)
08:38.52IrielAnyway, sleep time for me
08:39.04Elkanowell, good night then :)
08:39.27Mr_Rabies2since i'm not in beta, i can't read this, but if you are, apparently there's still conflicting stuff on alpha screens being under NDA technically or not http://beta.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=150021&pageNo=1
08:39.29EsamynnI'm out as well, night all
08:40.24IrielIt looks like they wiped the alpha forums, there's nothing in the beta forums from before beta was announced.
08:40.36Irielthat, to me, implies they dont want some stuff disclosed
08:47.26Galenciathe beta is public, therefore anything thats in alpha which is in beta is by definition un-nda-able(nice word), anything else is as-was
09:21.23Corrodiasbeta. beta. i see no beta.
09:23.16wereHamsteris the beta open for all?
09:23.38CorrodiasLF Rogue to open this [Beta]
09:27.39Fisker\Requires lockpicking 600 :(
09:27.56Corrodiasomg go train noob
09:35.59CorrodiasWELL time for bed. 'ni
09:36.19Corrodiasactually, a bit past time for bed. i watched google/youtube videos for 3 hours.
09:42.40wereHamsteryoutube is stupid, I hope google will add a direct download link to the youtube webpages like there are on video.google.com
09:53.44AnduinLotharClosed Beta has no NDA, but you're not allowed to share anything from alpha since it WAS under NDA. But if no one can prove it's not from beta there shouldn't really be a problem.
09:54.33AnduinLotharAnd alpha characters transfered over to beta so you can share any items or quests you may have now.
09:54.42AnduinLotharthat you got in alpha :P
09:55.48GalenciaAnduinLothar: anything thats in beta that was in alpha is immune from nda
09:56.06AnduinLotharnot technically.
09:56.07Galenciandas only apply when information isnt public :)
09:56.36Galenciandas become null and void when information is public
09:56.37AnduinLotharif you tooka  screen shot in alpha it's still technically under nda even if it looks identical to beta
09:57.04AnduinLotharbut no one's gonan care
10:01.37*** join/#wowi-lounge Beladona (n=Beladona@cpe-72-185-210-159.tampabay.res.rr.com)
10:01.37*** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o Beladona] by ChanServ
10:06.32ElkanoBeladona, will the files for TBC beta be on wdn?
10:07.29*** join/#wowi-lounge Neebler (n=bum@adsl-66-122-185-241.dsl.chic01.pacbell.net)
10:09.14*** join/#wowi-lounge FISKER_Q\ (n=blah2@cpe.atm2-0-52242.0x50a01902.kjnxx3.customer.tele.dk)
10:12.20Corrodiasi wonder if there's a way... but i know there is. and it's not easy.
10:15.36Corrodiasi want to access my files from school, but i have no intention of making publicly shared folders through windows and opening those ports
10:16.34Corrodiastransferring a large number of files by ftp is slow, i doubt http would perform much better, making an archive takes extra space and it needs to be updated frequently, and i don't want to carry a hard drive around with me everywhere
10:17.10wereHamsterrsync?
10:17.21Corrodiaswhat's this?
10:17.45Corrodiaslooks pretty linux to me
10:18.48wereHamsterit should run on windows, too
10:19.32Corrodiasi can investigate it tomorrow, but being designed for linux almost certainly means that it will be annoying to use, even disregarding getting it to run in windows
10:23.11Corrodiasi can perhaps set up a virtual machine and use my router to separate it from my host machine, but it takes some editing of the firewall settings...
10:23.34Corrodiashmm. actually, i don't know if i can do that. the router likes to think in terms of physical connections.
10:24.00Corrodiassecurity is my concern here. i'll sleep on it. 'ni
10:28.12Eufethis is like the 5th time you went to bed in last 2 hours :P
10:29.14Corrodiasshh
10:33.01*** join/#wowi-lounge gnorlish (n=jaydee@70-38-2-202.vnnyca.adelphia.net)
10:47.21AnduinLotharok random hardware querstion: does anyone know is PCIe motherboards are reverse compat with PCI cards?
10:48.25*** join/#wowi-lounge ckknight_ (n=ckknight@rrcs-74-62-251-185.west.biz.rr.com)
10:50.35*** join/#wowi-lounge Mery (i=metelman@p54AEF265.dip.t-dialin.net)
10:50.53wereHamsterif the motherboard has PCI slots, yes, but you can't put a PCI card into a PCI-E slot
10:51.05*** join/#wowi-lounge JoshBorke (n=Josh@r35h14.res.gatech.edu)
10:51.35AnduinLothark thx. that's what i needed to know. and no company ever says what they're hardware ISNT compatible with
10:51.53AnduinLotharis PCI-X reverse compat with PCI cards?
10:52.34wereHamsterso you have a PCI card and you want to buy a new motherboard?
10:52.54AnduinLotharyou could assume that
10:53.46AnduinLotharbut actually i already know what i'm buying and it's PCIe. I just wanted to know whether I will be able to use my existing cards or whether I can ebay them with my current compy.  Also just for my own information
10:54.36wereHamsterI'm not sure about PCI-PCI-X compatibility, I think some combinations are not compatible
10:55.04AnduinLothardo you know any good way to search availible cards by slot type?
10:56.03wereHamsteryou can put a 33MHz card into a 66MHz slot and vice versa, but I'm not sure if cards/slots with different voltage (3.3/5V) are compatible
10:57.27*** join/#wowi-lounge ckknight__ (n=ckknight@rrcs-74-62-251-185.west.biz.rr.com)
10:58.17AnduinLotharwish they'd jsut named them something else
10:59.24AnduinLotharlol NOW i find the info i wanted... on the PCI wiki page, not the PCIe one
10:59.31AnduinLothar"PCIe slots are not backwards compatible with PCI or PCI-X expansion cards."
11:01.27AnduinLotharPCI-X is an upgrade of PCI apparently. And PCI 3.0 removed 5v support so I assume PCI-X is onyl compat with 3.3v cards
11:01.57AnduinLotharand also allows for 1.5v signalling
11:03.23AnduinLotharhmm PCI/X are Parallel, PCIe is Serial
11:04.09Mr_Rabies2hrm.... can you set keybindings in combat in bc?
11:04.22AnduinLothardon't believe so
11:04.31AnduinLotharnot by tainted code at least
11:04.40AnduinLotharmight be able to by the bindings page
11:04.46Mr_Rabies2be a good way around the changes, damn
11:05.28wereHamsterPCI-Express is nice, much less lanes required (makes designing the mainboards much easier) and same bandwidth to/from the card (great for readback from the graphics card)
11:05.29AnduinLotharI'm sure if they went to all that effort to change how things work exploits wont be that simple
11:06.54Mr_Rabies2"PCIe slots are not backwards compatible with PCI or PCI-X expansion cards."
11:07.06AnduinLotharum... i just said that :P
11:07.22Mr_Rabies2PCIe slots are drastically different looking, but most mobos with PCIe only have 1 or 2 PCIe slots, and the rest are PCI
11:07.36Mr_Rabies2i meant to get your name too, but i'm half asleep
11:07.54AnduinLothar'most' doesn't include the one i'm getting
11:08.00Mr_Rabies2really?
11:08.07Mr_Rabies2it's ALL PCIe? weird
11:08.11Mr_Rabies2what mobo is it?
11:08.16AnduinLotharbut it's ok. i've been meaning to replace this 7.1 card. it's turned into crap
11:09.11AnduinLothari could tell you but i'd have to kill you
11:09.58AnduinLotharok, take that back. i can't tell you
11:10.07AnduinLotharcause i can't find the model #
11:10.20AnduinLotharit's the apple mac pro
11:10.43Mr_Rabies2ahhh forgot you're a mac guy :P
11:10.49*** join/#wowi-lounge tigg (n=tigg@salmi.tf.uni-kiel.de)
11:10.55AnduinLothari'm sure they custom make it
11:11.04AnduinLotharor intel does
11:11.19AnduinLotharsince it supports chips that you can't buy elsewhere
11:11.21Mr_Rabies2wasn't even aware you could get parts for apple stuff these days, i thought it was all or nothing pretty much unless you buy it from say ebay from gutted machines :O
11:11.32AnduinLotharlol
11:11.35*** join/#wowi-lounge Kaso (n=Jonathan@graduate.nat.lancs.ac.uk)
11:11.35AnduinLotharnoob
11:12.26AnduinLotharI have a Revo 7.1 surround card and a TV/video card and a radeon 9800 and a gb ethernet card all aftermarket
11:12.36Mr_Rabies2i was thinking about getting some apple hardware and dual booting windows/osx
11:12.42AnduinLotharthat's the plan
11:12.54Mr_Rabies2too damn expensive
11:13.03AnduinLotharnot really
11:13.15Mr_Rabies2for an os whose pluses arent used by me
11:13.20AnduinLotharcouple hunder you pay for the industrial design, but it's competitive with dells
11:13.28Mr_Rabies2i'd rarely if ever use iMovie
11:13.39Mr_Rabies2eh, a lot more expensive than building a pc from scratch :P
11:13.45AnduinLotharthis is true
11:13.49Mr_Rabies2same as dell though
11:14.12AnduinLotharright, which makes sense since you buy them custom ordered OEM
11:14.26Mr_Rabies2i've got such an awesome case
11:14.30AnduinLothar:)
11:14.32Mr_Rabies2it's the best cooled case i've ever seen
11:14.39Mr_Rabies2it's not fugly and ricer-tastic or anything
11:14.41*** join/#wowi-lounge Maldivia (i=the_real@85.24.43.252)
11:14.47Mr_Rabies2it's just really well cooled
11:14.55AnduinLotharheh i doubt you saw inside the 2005 G5 quad
11:15.08AnduinLotharhybrid water/air cooled
11:15.10Mr_Rabies2i have, they're really damn nice
11:15.17Mr_Rabies2but this one's better :P
11:15.24AnduinLotharuh huh
11:15.59Mr_Rabies2it's got dual 120 mm fans in the front, full tower case, got an 80 blowhole, 120 on the power supply, 80 on the window, and a proprietary blower fan that cools the processor/ram
11:16.01AnduinLotharwell I still haven't USED the new mac pros.. i need to stop by an apple store and see how loud they are. but it's intel hardware so it should be whisper liek compared to the G5 i have
11:16.11Mr_Rabies2oh and ...3....4? 80s on the back :P
11:16.25AnduinLotharsounds noisey. i hope they're independantly controlled
11:16.49Mr_Rabies2nahh
11:16.52Mr_Rabies2120s are quiet
11:16.56Mr_Rabies2it barely even wooshes
11:17.23AnduinLotharcool :)
11:17.37Mr_Rabies22 of these holding my hard drives in the front http://users.edpnet.be/phunc/images/stacker/cmstacker17.jpg
11:17.50AnduinLotharheh cometimes i get the urge to take off the cover off mine and listen to it go into panic mode
11:18.15Mr_Rabies2oops i was wrong about the back
11:18.15AnduinLotharair craft carrier
11:18.28Mr_Rabies2it has a 120 on the back, 2 80s, and a 120 in the power supply
11:18.37Mr_Rabies2http://lib.store.yahoo.net/lib/xoxide/stacker2.jpg
11:19.18AnduinLotharlol know what really suprized me about the mac pro. the oem ram you buy each comes with its own heatsinks
11:19.35AnduinLotharhttp://images.apple.com/macpro/images/expandimm20060807.png
11:19.42AnduinLothari loled
11:19.48Mr_Rabies2my friend has 2 92mm tornado fans in his case
11:19.52AnduinLotharat the awesome gimickyness about it
11:19.54Mr_Rabies2goddamn i hate that thing at lan parties
11:19.59AnduinLotharlol
11:20.07Mr_Rabies2it's SO LOUD
11:20.22Mr_Rabies2the fans can physically blow themselves off a table with enough force to unplug themselves
11:20.31Mr_Rabies2they move so much air, it's amazing
11:20.55Mr_Rabies2far too loud for use without a dial/switch
11:21.44Maldiviahmm, is the alpha NDA liften now that the closed beta has begun ?
11:22.08Mr_Rabies2except on stuff that's unreleased, i believe so, there's a post in the beta forums about it supposedly
11:22.18Mr_Rabies2i don't care too much for NDA's anyway
11:22.40Maldiviawas just reading the EULA, and no mentioning about a NDA
11:22.49Galenciathere is no nda for the beta.
11:22.50Mr_Rabies2i woulda violated that stuff pretty early, but i wouldn't have been dumb about it like Bronx :P
11:22.53Galencia"blue confirmed"
11:23.46MaldiviaSo we can "expose" the UI developers that's mentioned in sloukens post now ? :)
11:24.31Galenciaif the information is available in the beta, yes.
11:24.34Galenciaif not, no.
11:25.12Maldiviawell, consindering slouken said it was in the UI files, and we have a tool to legaly extract those files, I would say it's available
11:25.26Galenciathen you have your answer. :)
11:25.50AnduinLothar"You'll find some of their names in the addon support code in the game, and others in the credits for the Burning Crusade. "
11:26.01KasoMaldivia expose what?
11:26.26MaldiviaProbably lines like this he's refering to:
11:26.28Maldivia-- SecureRaidGroupHeader contributed with permission by: Esamynn, Cide, and Iriel
11:26.41Kasooh really
11:26.58Kasomm, makes sesne
11:27.00Kasosense
11:28.56AnduinLotharmmm the credits have nifty concept art
11:31.30AnduinLotharsome sexy dranai weapons
11:32.55AnduinLotharmmm the credits need music
11:34.03wereHamsterdoes english allow a comma before 'and' ?
11:34.13AnduinLotharin a conjunction
11:34.32AnduinLotharotherwise it's optional but not recommended
11:37.28AnduinLotharWell, i didn't see iriel's names in the credits
11:37.35JoshBorkeisn't it supposed to be used in lists: "bob, fred, and john"?
11:37.46AnduinLotharno
11:37.47GalenciaJoshBorke: no, the comma there is redundant
11:37.48JoshBorkeenglish was never by best subject
11:37.54JoshBorkehrm
11:38.01AnduinLotharit's optional in lists but not recommended
11:38.33wereHamsterI think it's forbidden in german to put a comma before 'und' in a list
11:38.39Galenciano its exlicity incorrect as a end of list with an and
11:38.41AnduinLotharin otherwards teachers have been marking it wrong and ignoring it for years
11:38.53Galenciaexplicitly*
11:39.32AnduinLotharw/e
11:39.32AnduinLotharthe correct usage is to join 2 related sentances
11:40.02JoshBorkebut this website says that you can use a ',' before the and in a list, especially when the last 2 items could be incorrectly grouped together ala macaroni and cheese
11:40.06AnduinLotharI went to the store, and I bought a meal.
11:40.22AnduinLotharright, thus why i said optional
11:41.05AnduinLotharI would use it there if any of the objects int eh list have an and or an or or a nor
11:41.10JoshBorkeand this is why i not write so good
11:42.20wereHamsterbest is to avoid such situations and don't use 'and'
11:42.30Kasois the NDA takedown retroactive, so we can finally get some Cockatrice etc pictures, or do we needs to wait for new pictures to filter down from the beta
11:42.37wereHamsteroops.. I uses that word :-(
11:42.49AnduinLothar"This is why I don't write so well."
11:43.14JoshBorkeAnduinLothar: ;-)
11:43.56*** join/#wowi-lounge dukeku (i=dukeku@c-67-160-162-146.hsd1.or.comcast.net)
11:44.12AnduinLotharkaso, gotta wait for new pics
11:45.39Galencianah the pics would be fine, as long as they cant prove they are from the alpha
11:45.50Galenciaie theres a bit ALPHA CLIENT LOL in your titlebar or something
11:58.10AnduinLotharwow... that's kinda crazy... the apple site (which you don't really believe for benchmarks except when comparing their own hardware) shows ATI Radeon X1900 XT getting more than 2x the fps of the NVIDIA GeForce 7300 GT on the same quad 3ghz box
11:58.41AnduinLotharfor doom 3 anyway
11:58.56AnduinLotharahhh time demo
11:59.04AnduinLotharok then, nm
11:59.10Maldiviawouldn't you expect that?
11:59.23AnduinLotharon a time demo yes. i didn't see that
12:00.05AnduinLotharOn real game play processign power is a major bottleneck most of the time. tho i have no idea how doom 3 handles having 4 processors..
12:00.36Maldiviaprobably like most other games: use 1, ignore the rest
12:01.21AnduinLotharyeah, you never know. that's what i'd expect from windows. but it all goes through the OS and apple has bee optimizing their OS for multiple processors for at least 5 years
12:02.03AnduinLotharso it might split things up automaticly
12:02.13AnduinLotharlike putting sound on another proc
12:02.49Maldiviadepends how thread-aware the application is
12:03.16AnduinLotharwell i knwo wow is threaded and works very well on multiple processors
12:03.30AnduinLotharbut they have a specific mac dev team
12:03.35Maldiviayeah
12:03.42AnduinLotharand doom was ported aftermarket
12:03.42Maldiviaon win, it uses 1 core only
12:04.03Maldiviaor well, it's split over both cores, but could might aswell just be one
12:04.12AnduinLothari'd be interested to see the proc % usage on that doom time test
12:04.38Maldiviayeah
12:05.17*** join/#wowi-lounge Mery (i=metelman@p54AEF18F.dip.t-dialin.net)
12:05.46Josh_Borkehola!
12:05.56Maldiviahalo
12:06.04AnduinLotharlol "hacker: originally, someone who makes furniture with an axe"
12:06.19Maldiviahehh
12:09.43AnduinLothar"Note that the timedemo only tests the game's graphics engine -- and not the game logic, AI, collision mapping, audio mixing, and other game components. During actual gameplay, the framerate is lower than these benchmarks."
12:18.18AnduinLotharwow, the opengl benchmarks of the 2.66 mac pro are more than double that of the G5 2.0  that makes me happy
12:18.35AnduinLotharopen gl on my 1.6 G5 is rather abysmal
12:19.19AnduinLotharthe intel chips also have fabulously better threading speed
12:20.52*** join/#wowi-lounge beerke (n=beerke@5353E177.cable.casema.nl)
12:25.29Beladonasomeone asked if beta files would be on wdn
12:25.32Beladonayes they will be
12:25.35Beladona=)
12:25.54Beladonaui files only of course
12:26.05Maldiviasince they are public :)
12:26.11MaldiviaBeladona: have them yet?
12:27.10Beladonahave what yet?
12:27.14Beladonathe beta files?
12:27.54Beladonayes I have them... anyway, bbiab
12:28.10*** join/#wowi-lounge Andalia (n=xx@p54ADAA11.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)
12:31.49AnduinLotharuh oh
12:32.10AnduinLotharthe MacPros use fancy new super expensive FB-DIMMs
12:32.28AnduinLothar1gb stick is $200 aftermarket
12:32.45AnduinLotharoi
12:33.07AnduinLotharguess i'll be getting mine BTO with the added heatsinks
12:33.37AnduinLotharthe equivelent ram speed normal DIMMs are $120 for 1gb stick
12:33.56AnduinLothargo figure
12:34.14AnduinLothar"each memory module has its own on-board controller circuitry"
12:34.34AnduinLotharand "error correcting"
12:40.59*** join/#wowi-lounge Andalia_ (n=xx@p54ADA629.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)
12:47.31*** join/#wowi-lounge Beladona (n=Beladona@24.129.136.26)
12:47.31*** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o Beladona] by ChanServ
12:50.42*** join/#wowi-lounge SH|Shabador (i=Shabador@ti400720a080-5027.bb.online.no)
12:52.05*** join/#wowi-lounge Royal (n=m@cp291458-a.landg1.lb.home.nl)
13:11.03*** join/#wowi-lounge CrazyMYKL (i=rumors@gateway/tor/x-b94b0e94a765eac7)
13:21.46wereHamsterclad|work, how should I udnerstand this sentense: Have different behavior on units depending on whether or not they are dead (in combat restriction only)
13:21.56wereHamsteryou mean out-of-combat this will work?
13:23.08Maldiviawell, there are no restrictions on using logics to casts spells when out of combat
13:24.09wereHamster.. that's so confusing
13:24.59Maldiviaso you could easily do a frame:SetScript("PreClick", function() if UnitIsDead(this:GetAttribute("unit")) then this:SetAttribute("spell1", "Resurrection") end end)
13:25.31Maldivia(and probably a PostClick aswell, to restore the previouls behavior)
13:26.53*** join/#wowi-lounge AnduinLothar (n=KarlKFI@ip68-106-219-78.oc.oc.cox.net)
13:30.03Beladonaforget what you have learned
13:30.08Beladonathere is no spoon
13:30.28Maldivia?
13:30.58MaldiviaIs there a fork then ?
13:31.38TS|Skrommore like a spork
13:31.54Maldiviais that a ancestor to spock ?
13:32.07Beladonathere is no spork either, you must eat with your hands
13:32.17MaldiviaI eat with my mouth
13:32.27Beladonabut only while in-eating mode. Out of eating mode you can use a spork
13:34.12Qzotugh. I hope the downloader cana resume. I'll have to stop it before going to work.
13:34.58Maldiviaof course it can, it's a Bit Torrent client, it's build to resume
13:35.53QzotEesh. But 11 hrs to download?
13:36.19Maldiviait's 1.95G
13:36.49Qzotit's 6.36AM heree
13:36.55Maldiviaonly takes around 7h for me (at the current speed it's downloading with)
13:37.33Maldiviawhy not keep it running while you're at work, then it'll probably be finished by the time you get home
13:37.51QzotI wonder if I'm seeing the difference between DSL at home, and real connectivity at work. The difference hardly ever matters.
13:38.23TS|Skromit only ever matters if you are trying to use it to it's fullest extent. Then you notice the difference.
13:38.28Maldiviawell, I'm only downloading at at around 25-30% of my connections capacity :|
13:38.59TS|Skrommayhaps you are capped?
13:39.02TS|Skromwho's your dsl through?
13:39.14QzotAre you including the fact that this is a torrent, so you're probably uploaing as much as downloading/
13:39.29MaldiviaI'm on cable
13:40.00TS|Skromcable is dependent on network load
13:40.08TS|Skromyou have a busy neighborhood
13:40.14Maldiviathere's no load on this network :)
13:40.27Maldiviaif I start another download, I can max my connection
13:40.45TS|Skromwell in that case you are maxed out on the people you are downloading from lol
13:40.58TS|Skromthey must have either an outbound limit or a throttle
13:41.19Maldiviaonly getting around 4-6k pr peer :|
13:41.33wereHamsterthat's the nromal upload speed here in switzerland
13:41.57MeryI got one peer with 30+ rest the same
13:42.10MeryI mean the rest is only 4-6k
13:42.12Maldiviathe 30+ are usually the Blizzard feeds
13:43.46zenzelezzI always cap my outgoing speed on torrents at 10 kbyte/sec so as not to choke my connection
13:44.44MaldiviaI usually cap my outgoing at 30
13:47.25wereHamsterI caqn only dream about >30 kb/s upload
13:50.50*** join/#wowi-lounge ckknight_ (n=ckknight@rrcs-74-62-251-185.west.biz.rr.com)
13:51.37*** join/#wowi-lounge cogwheel (n=chatzill@67.188.231.45)
13:53.00zenzelezzmy outgoing speed is unreliable past ~15kbyte/sec
13:53.16zenzelezzcan be anywhere from 15-50... my ISP sucks on that area
13:54.05zenzelezzcould be only in my area, but it doesn't help me much if it's more stable elsewhere ;)
13:55.33|FF|Im2good4uwhee im on my first MC raid :P
13:55.40|FF|Im2good4ulets see if my addons can handle this
13:56.19zenzelezz:)
14:06.57cogwheelSuch a waste of a 6mbps connection to only be getting about 20KB/s
14:07.10cogwheelanyone know a direct download for the BC beta?
14:08.19Merylet me know if you find one cogwheel.... =)
14:08.25cogwheel:)
14:09.07zenzelezzregular download sites don't guarantee much more than 20KB/s these days anyway
14:10.29|FF|Im2good4uare the player names in the 3d word laso frames ?
14:12.16Kasolaso frames?
14:12.21|FF|Im2good4ualso frames
14:12.34|FF|Im2good4umostly can we edit those text?
14:12.46Kasowhat frames are you talkina bout
14:12.57|FF|Im2good4uthe player names
14:13.09|FF|Im2good4ulike Silvanas <blah>
14:13.25KasoNametags we cannot
14:13.31KasoNameplates we can
14:15.36Kaso*note im not sure what the offical name for the Name<Guild> thing is, but i call em nametags
14:15.50*** join/#wowi-lounge Elkano (n=elkano@ip-213-135-2-181.handshake.de)
14:17.37KasoWhy cant i use SetFont() to increase the size of a fontstring after ive made it, i cna only make it smaller
14:18.21cogwheelBlizz calls 'em nameplates either way
14:18.23cogwheelunfortunately
14:18.47Kasothats silly
14:19.28zenzelezzthink that's bad? My upload is 10% of my download
14:19.50cogwheelKaso... AFAIK you should be able to use SetFont to pick an arbitrary size.
14:19.59cogwheelI can't imagine why it wouldn't be working...
14:20.46cogwheelOh goodie... 20 hours to go...
14:22.37cogwheelthis is ridiculous... there has to be a better way to get this
14:23.02KasoIf i do GetFont() on my fontstring its saying its 200, yet its the same size as it was when it was 40
14:23.13cogwheelwoah... THAT big?
14:23.23cogwheelIt may just be an arbitrary upper limit then...
14:23.37*** join/#wowi-lounge Rophy (n=Miranda@61-225-15-56.dynamic.hinet.net)
14:23.40Kasomm
14:23.56MaldiviaKaso, upper limit is 33
14:24.00Kasodamnit!
14:24.02*** join/#wowi-lounge MoonWolf (n=moonwolf@g173217.upc-g.chello.nl)
14:24.51Kasothanks then
14:25.46Beladona<PROTECTED>
14:25.47Maldiviareported it a few months back, and got a response something like "That just the way it is"
14:25.55Beladonahere at work though....
14:27.36cogwheelMy router is even set up for port forwarding directly to my computer
14:27.38AnduinLotharLionheart Blade lvl 70 craftable swd: 105.5 dps 45 str 40 agil 5% fear resist
14:27.44AnduinLothar2h
14:28.02Josh_Borkewow
14:28.49*** join/#wowi-lounge Osagasu (n=Kronus@208.104.133.240)
14:28.51TS|Skromhunter weapon :P
14:28.54TS|Skromj/k
14:29.05Josh_Borketotally a paladin weapon
14:29.05AnduinLotharand there's a craftable 1h axe with the same dps and atp as askandy + crit %
14:29.07zenzelezzmaterial cost is probably only that of three Thunderfurys
14:29.47BeladonaAxe maybe warriors version?
14:30.04AnduinLotharand i didn't look further. Lionheart Mast Blade... 114.6 dps
14:30.13AnduinLotharMaster*
14:30.27OsagasuYou rang?
14:30.46OsagasuAnd what weapon are you talking about?
14:31.11AnduinLotharwas at a master weapon trainer in shattrath
14:31.48Osagasu</3
14:32.04BeladonaAnduin, you mind taking me around later? I didn't exactly do much exploring yet
14:32.19AnduinLothartalk to khadgar you can get a tour
14:32.30Beladonakhadgar? whose dat
14:32.41AnduinLotharhave you been to the city yet?
14:32.45Beladonano
14:33.00AnduinLotharjust go in from the north, quest on your way in
14:33.05Beladonalike I said yesterday, I managed to get to level 1 with my shaman, the rest of my time was spent with other things...
14:33.19Beladonabut I do have my other char over
14:33.25AnduinLotharcant find an innkeeper tho..
14:33.37cogwheelYou've got to be kidding me... I disabled my antivirus and firewall and now it's going SLOWER!
14:33.39AnduinLothargot portals to all major cities tho
14:33.50*** join/#wowi-lounge ckknight (n=ckknight@rrcs-74-62-251-185.west.biz.rr.com)
14:34.06Beladonacogwheel: it is saying, "I shall teach thee to tempt fate!"
14:34.28Beladonacogwheel: is this at home?
14:34.33cogwheelyes
14:34.40AnduinLotharanyway... class time
14:34.49Beladonadsl / cable?
14:34.52cogwheelcable
14:35.03Beladonawhat bandwidth pkg do you have?
14:35.14cogwheel6mbps
14:35.16Beladonathat sounds inordinately long
14:35.36cogwheel384k up iirc
14:35.42Beladonait can't be because too many people are downloading it
14:35.46MaldiviaLionheart Master Blade... ouch, looks evil
14:35.47Beladonabeing torrent and all
14:36.05BeladonaI have the 10mbps package, and I was getting it at 1.18MB/s
14:36.26Beladonaand I was one of the first last night, my peer list was small
14:36.28cogwheeli have to go to work now anyway... i'll try it there (it usually seems to have better luck even though it's only a T1)
14:36.52OsagasuI wanna play. :<
14:37.18Beladonathere will probably be other beta phases
14:37.22Beladonajust be patient
14:37.39*** join/#wowi-lounge vulture- (n=vulture@71-214-232-182.desm.qwest.net)
14:37.50OsagasuYay, more contests that I have no chance in hell to win.
14:38.32Josh_Borkewow, my guild does crap for progression for 2 months and then within the same week downs the first 3 bosses in aq40
14:39.28OsagasuGotta love thresholds.
14:39.38TS|SkromGood Classes to Play at Work:
14:39.48TS|Skrom1) Hunter
14:39.51TS|Skrom2) Warlock
14:39.55TS|Skrom3) ??
14:39.59TS|Skromlol
14:40.13MaldiviaTwilight Netherblade, 1h sword, 98-184 @ 1.6, 88.1dps, 16agi, 24stam, 16 hit rating... ouch
14:40.39zenzelezzmy guild did Anub'Rekhan about two and a half times last night (in one fight)
14:40.42Beladonaomg
14:40.43zenzelezzthanks to some evade problem
14:40.45Beladoname wanty
14:40.56OsagasuTS: Shaman, then Paladin.
14:41.04TS|Skromreally?
14:41.07Osagasuyes.
14:41.18Osagasuespecially once you get water totems.
14:41.24TS|SkromI was thinking more along the lines for hunter and warlock that between dots, pet, and autofire you could window out easily XD
14:41.37Josh_BorkeTS|Skrom: you can window out easily as a paladin
14:41.46Osagasulay out totems, auto attack.
14:41.46Josh_BorkeTS|Skrom: i've dc'd in the middle of a fight, gotten back and had won
14:41.58TS|Skromhahaha
14:42.06MaldiviaHand of Fate, main hand mace, 172-321 @ 2.8, 88.0 dps, 8stam, Proc: +200 haste for 10sec
14:42.25OsagasuMAYBE throw out one lightning shield or flame shock.
14:42.31Beladonawhat are these, rewards?
14:43.08TS|SkromI don't have to window out too often hehe but when I do it's usually unexpected
14:43.15TS|Skromfeign and soulstone are nice for that
14:43.47Maldiviabeladon: both epic blacksmithing recipees
14:44.02Beladonadamn
14:44.14Maldiviahand of fate is hammersmithing
14:44.25zenzelezzMaldivia: what sort of materials are required?
14:44.35Maldiviadon't know
14:44.53Kasohow does the haste rating transpose into % at 70 ?
14:45.17Maldiviahmm, let me check my table
14:46.17OsagasuWhat is Resillence rating?
14:46.37Kasoreduces your chance to be crittically struck
14:46.52Osagasupsh
14:47.12OsagasuThey're making this game way too complicated.,
14:47.53MaldiviaKaso: at level 70, 39 haste = 1%
14:48.09Maldiviaaround
14:48.20Maldiviaso 200 = +5%
14:48.20Kasothats pretty good proc then
14:48.33*** join/#wowi-lounge ckknight__ (n=ckknight@rrcs-74-62-251-185.west.biz.rr.com)
14:48.59OsagasuMeh.
14:49.52KasoSeen treeform?
14:49.58Kasoquite amusing
14:50.05Hexarobiform of a tree?
14:50.13HexarobiEQ did it =P
14:50.26Kasohttp://img178.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wowscrnshot101206080211xk0.jpg
14:50.53KasoLooks like Rejuv is castable as a tree
14:51.15Maldiviarejuv and regrowth are castable
14:52.00Maldiviaif it's Tree of Life, that is
14:53.06OsagasuAnd the new DoT is too
14:53.16Maldivialifebloom ?
14:53.37Osagasuyeah
14:53.58Maldiviain other words: Healing Touch cannot be cast in Tree Form
14:55.05Osagasubasically.
14:55.52Maldiviafunny that innervate can be cast in Tree Form
14:56.46Maldiviaconsidering it's a balance spell
14:57.33Maldiviafor some reason, I think HoT healing will be much more common in the expansion
14:58.20Beladonaits da futur mang!
14:58.48Maldiviadruids will be the top healers again
14:59.05OsagasuIt isn't a balance spell.
14:59.15BeladonaI think of it more in terms of easing healing requirements of priests
14:59.15OsagasuIt was the Resto Ulti.  It's a resto spell.
14:59.29Beladonaif a druid can slow health drain enough, a priest has les work to do
14:59.38MaldiviaInnervate is flagges as being a Balance spell
14:59.43Osagasuand priests are getting a lot more HoTs in the expansion, too
14:59.58OsagasuMaybe not the same way as the druid spells
15:00.00Maldiviaosa: which ?
15:00.19OsagasuLet me look up the name.
15:00.59Maldiviathe circle of renewal? was removed again, in favour of circle of healing
15:01.28Maldiviathere's the prayer of mendind, a reactive heal
15:02.04OsagasuMaldivia, I'm seeing Innervate as resto on wowhead.
15:02.46zenzelezzI've never played a druid, so let me just ask... are they locked to the form, or just belong under that school?
15:03.22Osagasusay what?
15:03.24zenzelezzthose spells/abilities I mean
15:03.39zenzelezzthat you've been arguing about
15:03.39OsagasuThey're general tree spells. >.>
15:03.56MaldiviaOsagasu, in the last alpha, it as balance, don't know about closed beta
15:04.31zenzelezzI'm just curious about why it wouldn't work in the tree form
15:05.04*** join/#wowi-lounge bindi (i=indigo@d51A479A6.access.telenet.be)
15:06.40OsagasuOh, the tree form prevents you from using any spell other than HoTs, Swiftment, and apparently innervate.
15:06.43Osagasu**swiftmend
15:07.12Maldiviayeah
15:07.19QzotOkay, time for work.
15:08.37*** join/#wowi-lounge Kaso (n=Jonathan@graduate.nat.lancs.ac.uk)
15:08.38MaldiviaInnervate, Lifebloom, Regrowth, Rejuvenation and Tranquility
15:08.44Maldiviaand Swiftmend
15:11.36*** join/#wowi-lounge cogwheel (n=chatzill@intra.kistlerwine.com)
15:11.38Kasohttp://kasoo.net/img/imgs/screensho.jpg mm, got my dual monitor setup orgnised nice now.
15:14.10Maldiviaso who's going to make the ratings -> procent tables on wowwiki, or are they already there?
15:17.48MaldiviaKaso; i mis read my table from before (I think)
15:18.07cogwheel>:(
15:18.32MaldiviaKaso: for haste, 15.8 points is needed pr %, so 200 haste = +12.7% haste
15:19.07Kasoeven better
15:19.37MaldiviaI accidentially read the spell resilience instead :)
15:20.20zenzelezzKaso: neat :) My organized dual-monitor setup: http://home.samsen.com/zenzelezz/dual.jpg
15:20.45MaldiviaKaso, and about your screenshout, I have around 4x as many icons on my desktop... and only have 1 monitor :)
15:21.03Kasoi havent really thought of putting wow into fullscreen on one mionitor, ive had it in maximised windowed mode forever
15:21.24zenzelezzit isn't fullscreen on my picture, it's windowed, maximized
15:21.25KasoI get like that mal, then every couple weeks i just move all the crap into the "Crap" folder
15:21.41MaldiviaKaso: only one foldeR?
15:21.46cogwheelI tried the dual-screen WoW setup, but it's much more convenient to have a web browser (or IRC client ;) ) open on the second monitor
15:21.55MaldiviaI have 9 folder in the lower right corner :)
15:22.01Kasoyah, its chaos in that folder, i just hope Search works ok if i wanna find anything
15:22.47zenzelezzmy IRC client is on the third monitor (linux box) to the left of that screenshot :-p
15:22.57Kasoa level 50 can equip a ilevel 56 item max right? or 55?
15:23.45Maldiviano ilevel restriction
15:23.59KasoI thought the "requires" was a set offset from ilevel
15:24.01Maldiviaa level 50 can equip all items that has "Required Level 50" or lower
15:24.06Maldiviano matter the ilevel
15:24.19Maldiviait's not
15:24.49Kasohmm
15:24.50Kasookay then
15:24.55Maldiviatake all tier 1,2,3 etc set, they have "Required Level 60", but the iLevel is up to 86 or so
15:25.15Kasowell, yes, but beheth level 60 i thought it was set
15:25.26Beladonailevel is more a rating of the overall item quality / stats compared to other items
15:26.00*** join/#wowi-lounge Laric (i=Laric@217-13-2-126.dd.nextgentel.com)
15:26.24Beladonanot sure how useful it is for anything we would need?
15:27.02Kasoim just trying to roughly guess howmuch stam we'll have at level70 in blues
15:27.06Merydkp systems could use that value
15:27.21Beladonathats true
15:27.50Beladonawell, there are things to consider too with Stam
15:28.02Beladonai.e. my warrior has the bonus stam skill in the defense tree
15:28.27MaldiviaKaso; but true, most BoE epics, below level 60, have iLevel = requiredLevel + 5
15:28.38Kasomm
15:28.58*** join/#wowi-lounge quoin (n=quoin@122-49-167-77.ip.adam.com.au)
15:29.36MaldiviaKaso: Adamantite Breastplate, req level 67, plate chest, 34 str, 40 stam
15:29.42Maldiviaa blue crafted item
15:29.50OsagasuKaso: For the most part it is a general offset.  There are some items (like two blues with... level 55 req) but the ilevel is one off from each other or so.
15:30.20MaldiviaKaso: ohh, and the iLevel on that item is 106 :)
15:30.28Kaso106, holy
15:30.36OsagasuGenerally instance items are slightly better than BoE.
15:30.39Kasothats higher than the Legendary sword from scholo
15:31.00Osagasu<3 Adamantite
15:31.01BeladonaI saw that sword drop like a month ago
15:31.05Beladona=\
15:31.08Beladonabut I didn't get it
15:31.15OsagasuThere is no legendary sword in scholo.
15:31.22Beladonaits not legendary
15:31.24Beladonakist epic
15:31.26Beladonajust*
15:31.31Maldiviayes there is :)
15:31.32Kasono, im talking about hte legendary one
15:31.36Kasofrom atiesh
15:31.39Maldiviaehh, strat
15:31.39OsagasuThe legendary one if in Strath.
15:31.47Osagasu**is
15:31.49Kasooh, strat
15:31.52Beladonalol
15:31.53Osagasuand so is the epic one.
15:31.57Kasoyah, sorry, stupid similar names
15:32.27OsagasuI got my headmaste'rs charge a while back.
15:32.39Beladonasaw that drop too, that one is saexay
15:32.42OsagasuI don't use it anymore outside of instances with the person I "ninjaed" it from.
15:32.49Beladonaoh and those robes off the liche
15:32.54Beladonacan't remember name
15:33.02*** join/#wowi-lounge ag` (n=Andreas@0x535cbb62.bynxx18.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk)
15:34.29BeladonaAlanna's Embrace
15:34.32Beladonathats it
15:34.59Osagasu20 spirit, Int, Stam, Spelldamage
15:34.59Osagasuright?
15:35.10OsagasuOr is it just 20 of int/stam?
15:35.12Beladonayeah
15:35.16Beladonano, all 3
15:35.26Beladonahttp://thottbot.com/?i=23875
15:43.50OsagasuI wonder who Alanna was, anyways?
15:43.58OsagasuMaybe she was Ras' lover when he was alive?
15:45.01Corrodiasmaybe <oops, don't know much about the lore, at least on the alliance side>
15:45.09Corrodiasguess i can't finish my sentence there
15:46.21Corrodiaszenzelezz: omg, default ui!
15:46.33OsagasuAt that high a level, the lore goes back far enough to where it wasn't alliance and horde, but Thrall and Durnholde. :P
15:48.08Corrodiasi only know general details, that i read on wowwiki
15:48.49zenzelezzCorrodias: yes, with my HP/rage addon, Atlas, CTRA Sprocket, Auctioneer
15:54.20*** join/#wowi-lounge CrazyMYKL (i=rumors@gateway/tor/x-95e074a687be410e)
16:06.26*** join/#wowi-lounge cogwheel (n=chatzill@intra.kistlerwine.com)
16:07.25MikmaKaso: did you make a new version already of HzHeal?
16:07.29Kasoyah
16:07.45Mikmacan you paste me the link again?
16:07.52KasoThis one has /hzheal with scaling and colouring
16:09.40*** join/#wowi-lounge malreth (n=triti@cpe-72-179-20-11.austin.res.rr.com)
16:09.44Kasoits up at http://kasoo.net/filez/HzHeal1.1.zip
16:09.53malrethsanity has been restored to our forum!
16:10.54*** join/#wowi-lounge Gryphen (n=gryphon@mail.alexdevco.com)
16:11.01malreth5000 gold!?!
16:11.07malrethoh, sorry...
16:12.17Corrodiasyou people and your stormwind
16:22.31malrethWHERE'S BLANCHY?!
16:25.58Corrodiasthis ain't no golden girls
16:26.10Corrodiasyou little tart
16:29.47Josh_Borkehrm, people that were in the pvp tournament, do they get beta invites?
16:30.13Maldiviaremember, there are multiple phases of the beta
16:30.29PlorkyeranAt lot of them have already gotten invites
16:33.21Corrodiaswouldn't it be cute for me to think that, because i've submitted GM tickets about a few boring bugs, i'm on their list? allow me to delude myself for just a moment into thinking that most people -don't-. aaah. okay, fantasy time is over. :(
16:40.49Cairenn|afkJosh_Borke: yes others are starting to get invites, I've gotten my BlizzCon invite, I posted the opening couple paragraphs from it on the front page of WoWI :p
16:41.10zenzelezztease :-(
16:41.45Josh_BorkeLOL
16:41.56Josh_Borke"I have procurred the initial position in this discussion thread."
16:42.49cogwheelI got my BlizzCon invite too
16:43.14cogwheelThough, I have to shake my fist at Blizzard's downloader :(
16:43.39Josh_Borkeyea, a few guys from my guild got their blizzcon invites
16:43.39cogwheelI'm using Azureus now though, and it's zooming along :)
16:43.47Merywow new high 100KB/sec =) *grins evil at cogwheel*
16:43.57cogwheelMery: 175 here :P
16:44.02Merybah
16:44.12Merydown to 80 like it was all the time
16:44.14cogwheelAnd i'm on a T1 so it would probably be faster from home
16:44.25cogwheelbut i'm not at home so this'll have to do :)
16:44.40cogwheelmery: http://beta.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=220231&sid=1
16:45.43*** join/#wowi-lounge tyroney|work (n=tyroney@66.239.241.162.ptr.us.xo.net)
16:48.51Merythanks :) although as long as its well over 80 I won't bother...
16:49.16cogwheelit'll pick up where you left off :)
16:49.41cogwheelso unless it goes slower, stick with what you got :)
16:50.04Merygot something else to do anyway =P the sooner its finished the less I'll be able to do before =P
16:50.11cogwheelhehe
16:53.10tyroney|workI got this email...
16:53.35Corrodiasoh, i see, you have to login with a beta account to view the thread.
16:53.36Elkanopoor you :(
16:57.38tyroney|workEw.  1.96 GB
16:57.44tyroney|worker, ..95
16:57.46*** join/#wowi-lounge Cairenn (n=Karen@CPE00045a2bfcbc-CM000f212f84be.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com)
16:57.46*** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o Cairenn] by ChanServ
16:58.04malrethcould be worse
16:58.16Corrodiaswhat's 1.96gb?
16:58.24cogwheelBC beta
16:58.29malrethyou could be downloading nothing... :(
16:58.49Corrodiasi am downloading nothing but porn
16:58.59malrethmeh, i did that all last week
16:59.05Corrodiasmalreth, where are you posting? i have an ide
16:59.12malretheventually, you start running out of things to download
16:59.24Corrodiasah, never mind, i cannot live up to the idea
16:59.31malrethwell, running out of free things to download
16:59.56Corrodiasi was thinking we could argue with each other and thereby troll more effectively, but i am not a practiced troll and have nearly no experience
17:00.10Corrodias(redundancy is sweet)
17:00.34*** join/#wowi-lounge fox689 (i=user@ip106-228.pft.wku.edu)
17:03.03tyroney|workIt still feels like people are complaining about having to play the game.
17:03.07malrethi'm falling in love with the biohazard symbol
17:03.19malrethforum mods are probably getting annoyed with me
17:03.58Corrodiasi -enjoy- the finger dance of healing without a one-button mod
17:04.03malrethi have found that if you put the phrase, "this is a community damaging post" in a report, it is likely to be actioned
17:04.28jaxdahlanyone find any XP to level numbers?
17:04.38tyroney|workmalreth: Just keep the reason straightforward and consistant, if anything they might appreciate not having to analyze posts themselves.
17:04.38cogwheelI got the petition thread deleted :)
17:04.47jaxdahlapparently the beta forums are supposed to be readable by non-beta members
17:05.02Corrodiaspetition thread?
17:05.03jaxdahlhttp://blue.cardplace.com/newcache/us/32279739.htm
17:05.11tyroney|workWhere are said forums?
17:05.17malrethcogwheel: no... *I* got the petition thread deleted. :D
17:05.30jaxdahltyroney|work, beta.worldofwarcraft.com
17:05.31malrethwait... we *both* got the petition thread deleted
17:05.34cogwheelCorrodias: some people started a petition on the UI & Macros forum to get them not to go through with the changes
17:05.41Corrodiasno! -I- got it deleted!
17:05.47cogwheelmalreth: was the biohazard symbol red or gray when you clicked it?
17:05.49cogwheel:P
17:05.51jaxdahlno! I *AM* SPARTACUS
17:05.51*** join/#wowi-lounge Xuerian (n=core@12-196-151-154.psknet.net)
17:05.58Thunder_ChildInteresting Trivia: The male Blood Elf's dance moves are taken from Napoleon's choreographed dance sequence at the end of the movie.
17:06.05jaxdahlThunder_Child, old news
17:06.11malrethi got Lifa's thread moved over to off-topic forum... he's back in UI&Macros complaining about it
17:06.15Corrodiasyeah, welcome to last month
17:06.19Thunder_Childfine be a kill joy
17:06.19jaxdahlwe knew that when e3 was out
17:06.20jaxdahlin may
17:06.22Corrodiasnoob
17:06.27malrethcogwheel: you can't click on gray biohazards
17:06.32jaxdahl<-- KILLER OF JOYS
17:06.42cogwheelWell, I reported the OP ;)
17:06.44jaxdahlMaldivia, you can
17:06.46jaxdahler
17:06.46Thunder_Child~kill jaxdahl
17:06.47purlACTION shoots a ionized fluxneutrino gun at jaxdahl
17:06.48jaxdahlmalreth, you can
17:06.53malrethjaxdahl: really?
17:06.58jaxdahlyes
17:07.05jaxdahlie, reporting a sticky
17:07.09malrethooh
17:07.10malrethnm
17:07.13tyroney|workBwa ha ha!  My angry gnome rogue from the last test is there to choose from for posting.
17:07.22malrethi can even double-report a thread
17:07.24jaxdahli reported one of my threads for a sticky with 2 accoutns
17:09.27malrethso now that tBC is in public closed beta, is it kosher to post screenshots here?
17:09.27malrether... links to screenshots?
17:09.27cogwheelas long as they were taken after it went to beta
17:09.38cogwheelanything from alpha is still under NDA
17:09.46malrethwhat if I don't know if it was from alpha?
17:09.52Thunder_Childincluding the fact that there was an alpha
17:10.27*** join/#wowi-lounge Kirov (n=Kirov@204.155.78.140)
17:10.33Maldiviathere was an alpha ?
17:11.00cogwheelI can neither confirm nor deny that there was an alpha
17:11.15cogwheelI lied. I can deny it 'cause I wasn't part of it.
17:11.59malrethif anyone wants to jump on this guy...
17:12.00malrethhttp://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=32109983&sid=1
17:12.11malrethi personally don't comment in threads that I report
17:12.26malrethso... cog... sic 'em!
17:13.00Corrodias" Warriors now have to have their face buried in the interface, waiting for their overpower, sheild block, sunder, revenge, disarm, taunt, execute, herioc strike, rend, mocking blow, pummel, beserker rage, etc ability timer to pop so they can MASH em again. Having to manage all these 5 and 10 second timers while watching Mobs health, your health, mobs casting state, mobs agro state, WITHOUT any automation is a huge pain literally."
17:13.08Corrodiaswelcome to tanking, bitch. muahaha
17:13.55zenzelezzwhat fun would tanking be if you didn't have to do that?
17:14.16XuerianRofl.
17:14.18cogwheelThat's exactly why i like my warrior
17:14.25Xuerian'ZOMG i have to watch my actionbars /HERNIA'
17:14.26zenzelezzsheesh... I even sometimes feel my taunt macro is bad, let alone all those stupid "one button for everything" mods
17:14.45Thunder_Child"Representations. You represent that: (i) you have or will back-up your hard drive prior to installation of the Program" like very many ppl did that
17:15.17zenzelezzThunder_Child: but when they don't, *if* the beta screws it up, they can't blame Blizzard for loss of data
17:15.27Thunder_Childno kidding
17:15.43Corrodiasmalreth: i posted. enjoy.
17:16.48Hatsukizenzelezz: i'm pretty sure that retail EULA has also a clause to prevent suing blizzard for damages
17:16.58Corrodiascogwheel appears to still be multiediting his
17:16.59Thunder_Childhmm...i wonder about this one though "(i) You are above the age of majority in your country of citizenship"
17:17.14cogwheelCorrodias: i do that a lot :)
17:17.19tyroney|workRemeber, we live in the era of easy mode as default.  I'll never forget beating Metroid Prime, setarting again on "hard," and finally really enjoying the game.
17:18.03Hatsukiat least windows eula has clauses with leave microsoft without any responsibility, another thing is if they hold water
17:18.11Hatsuki*which
17:18.42malrethRC2... RC2... doo dee doooo
17:19.07cogwheelI like vista, but the nvidia drivers have problems with dual monitors
17:20.16cogwheelWhen it first boots, the main screen is one big glitch. I can log in (thanks to the cursor being in the password box to begin with). But then I have to run display settings (by hitting alt-space -> M to move the window onto the second monitor) change the resolution, and say "no" to wanting to keep the new settings
17:20.37malrethwe're installing it on a Mac Mini
17:20.46malrethit doesn't get more evil than that
17:20.52Corrodiasthese... "arena teams" need to play 10 games each week?
17:20.52cogwheelhehe
17:22.43cogwheel~seen cide
17:23.00purlcide <i=Cide@81-226-233-5-no60.tbcn.telia.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 1d 1h 1m 16s ago, saying: 'I assume your monitor supports that resolution'.
17:23.55gnorlish0..7\8 n -
17:24.02*** join/#wowi-lounge chuckg (i=chuckg@66-237-5-116.starstream.net)
17:24.07Corrodiasoshit, class begins in a few minutes! [away]
17:27.13*** join/#wowi-lounge Xuerian (n=core@12-196-151-154.psknet.net)
17:32.01malreth"The best part of coffee is the caramel and the sugar and the whipped cream and the bacon bits."
17:32.18Thunder_Child~gag
17:32.20purlA graphical boot manager, with a lot of interesting features.. URL: http://www.arrakis.es/~scostas/gageng.htm
17:32.26Thunder_Child....
17:33.03EsamynnThunder_Child: lol
17:33.22Thunder_Child~gag malreth
17:33.24purlACTION takes away the voice of malreth and, as an additional precaution, sews malreth's mouth shut permanently...
17:33.30Thunder_Childok, that works
17:33.35cogwheel~gag me
17:33.36purlACTION takes away the voice of cogwheel and, as an additional precaution, sews cogwheel's mouth shut permanently...
17:33.43malreth*murgfl~~~*
17:33.51cogwheelmmm mmm ppphhhh mpmmhhhh
17:34.12Thunder_Childi love the response for llose
17:34.15Thunder_Childloose*
17:34.20Esamynn~botsnack
17:34.20purlEsamynn: aw, gee
17:34.33jaxdahlhttp://beta.worldofwarcraft.com/board.html?forumId=10001&sid=1
17:35.30jaxdahlcaverns of time is going in the next beta build
17:35.56Thunder_Childwow, 5K g for a flying mount
17:36.18Elkano<3 druids ;)
17:36.37PlorkyeranOoh, beta boards are public now
17:36.45XuerianSo glad I'm a druid once more.
17:36.53EsamynnThunder_Child: where did you see that?
17:37.00Esamynnyay Druids! 8)
17:37.04Thunder_Childand where is the "free" warlock/pally flying mount
17:37.12Xuerianyall get fucked this go round
17:37.14Thunder_Childhttp://beta.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html;jsessionid=B9163A300D3E63394AFBC178A082860A?topicId=220311&sid=1
17:37.15Xuerian<3
17:37.17Esamynnhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahav
17:37.24Esamynnhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahav
17:37.36cogwheel:(
17:37.39Thunder_Child~quiet Esamynn
17:37.50Thunder_Childmeh
17:37.54Esamynn~cheeseslap Thunder_Child
17:37.55purlACTION slaps Thunder_Child around with a slice of texas goat cheese
17:38.00cogwheelMy wife and my locks are just about to finish our epic mount quests
17:38.00Thunder_Child~hush Esamynn
17:38.18PlorkyeranHuh, Kali Compton is back
17:38.19Thunder_Childmmm...goat cheese, breakfast
17:38.26PlorkyeranI wonder if they'll be as entertaining this time around
17:39.43malrethhttp://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/874.html
17:39.57malrethit's true!
17:40.03jaxdahlhttp://beta.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=150021&sid=1&pageNo=2#26
17:40.06malrethmy fiancee is a pharmacy technician
17:40.11jaxdahlNDA *is* lifted
17:40.26*** join/#wowi-lounge beerke (n=beerke@5353E177.cable.casema.nl)
17:40.28jaxdahlbut only info accessible through the client (normal means) is ok to post
17:41.21cogwheelmalreth: that reminds me of Theme Hospital
17:41.24Thunder_Childwhich doesnt change much
17:55.49MikmaKaso: gief url!
17:55.59Kasohttp://kasoo.net/filez/HzHeal1.1.zip
17:56.06Mikmadanke
17:57.08*** join/#wowi-lounge [floyd] (n=floyd@dslb-088-065-076-135.pools.arcor-ip.net)
17:58.15*** join/#wowi-lounge Cide (i=Cide@81-226-233-5-no60.tbcn.telia.com)
18:01.09malreth:-O
18:01.11malrethhttp://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/so-i-married-a-kernel-programmer
18:05.24cogwheeloh goodness
18:07.35*** join/#wowi-lounge Cide- (i=Cide@81-226-233-5-no60.tbcn.telia.com)
18:09.01Industrialmalreth: note the guy on his shirt also looking suspiciously at reiser in the last shot P
18:09.04Industrial:P
18:09.26malrethoh yeah... i didn't notice that before
18:11.18malrethis that Bruce Schneier on his shirt?
18:11.33Industrialno idea :}
18:11.34malrethLinus' shirt... not Reiser's
18:11.55IndustrialI just woke up, 7PM :|
18:12.13Industrialoh and I watched all of bestofwhatever you sent me yesterday
18:12.17Industrial=P
18:12.43malrethAll?
18:12.49Industrialyea
18:12.55IndustrialI always have to read/watch everything before I can start keeping up with it by RSS or whatever
18:13.00Industrialcause else ill miss something :<
18:13.02malreththere's hundreds of hundreds of videos on that site
18:13.08IndustrialI know
18:13.14malrethyou are a machine
18:13.18malrethan Industrial machine
18:13.55Beladonaare you calling him greasy?
18:13.57malretheven the video of that lady who did all those tricks on the bike in the school gym?
18:15.02Industrialyes malreth
18:15.15Industrialmalreth: I dod flatland BMX'ing for a while :D
18:15.22Industrialno pics/videos tho :<
18:15.33malrethand the one of that asian kid who plays that classical song on the guitar
18:16.25Industrialhttp://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-885035891364656587&q=flatland
18:16.33Industrialcanon D in guitar
18:16.35Industrialthats old
18:16.35Industrial:P
18:16.51Industrialive seen alot of them already
18:16.59Industrialbefore i watched them again yesterday
18:17.05*** join/#wowi-lounge Cairenn (n=Cairenn@CPE001217452e29-CM014500004571.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com)
18:17.05*** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o Cairenn] by ChanServ
18:17.10Industrialwhat can i say im unemployed and school - hah!
18:18.42IndustrialYou know whats fnny with a flatland bike? here you cant drive it in traffic but you also dont have to pay for it in the subway etc, where as with a normal bike you have to pay an extra childrens price for the bike or buggy or w/e
18:18.49*** join/#wowi-lounge Cide- (i=Cide@81-226-233-5-no60.tbcn.telia.com)
18:19.07IndustrialYou can always fxck with patrolling ppl of the subway company that want to ticket you ;D
18:22.20*** join/#wowi-lounge Tem (n=tardmrr@ip68-227-128-41.br.br.cox.net)
18:23.25jaxdahlXP to level from the alpha: 325000, ?, 502600, 531700, 561300, 593100, 621700
18:24.06Hatsukikinda steep rise in "?"
18:25.04Fiskerwe won the screenshot contest :>
18:25.15jaxdahlyea hatsuki
18:25.19jaxdahli think it is 480000
18:25.22malrethdon't believe you, Fisker
18:25.29jaxdahl208k is 59-60
18:25.33Hatsukiyep
18:25.39Fiskerwell see you on bloodmyst then
18:25.41Hatsukiaround 50% more
18:25.47Fiskeratleast when i get my GM to fork out the key
18:25.48Fisker:)
18:25.49*** join/#wowi-lounge Cairen1 (n=Karen@CPE00045a2bfcbc-CM000f212f84be.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com)
18:26.04Mikk"www.runbox.com - 10 GB Inbox, POP3, SMTP No Spam, No Virus, No Ads"
18:26.04malrethwb, iriel
18:26.08Mikkwth?!
18:26.37Mikkah. paid.
18:26.40Mikkhi iriel
18:27.08jaxdahldoes anyone know the blue tracker guy?
18:27.17jaxdahlwould be nice if he could extend it to the beta forums
18:27.36jaxdahlsince they are publicly readable
18:27.40Industrial<PROTECTED>
18:27.43Industrialgratz!
18:27.45Beladonaonly if he is in beta, and if that is allowed by the agreement
18:28.20jaxdahlBeladona, you don't need to be in beta to read the forums
18:28.20cogwheelBeladona: beta forums are publicly accessible
18:28.27jaxdahlhttp://beta.worldofwarcraft.com/board.html?forumId=10001&sid=1
18:28.30Beladonadidn't know that
18:28.46IndustrialI dont want to know anything about the beta
18:28.51IndustrialI want it to be a total surprise
18:28.54Thunder_ChildGL
18:28.59Beladonayou know there IS a beta right?
18:29.00MikkLeave the channel :-P
18:29.02Industrialgame content, that is
18:29.06Beladonaso, the surprise is not total
18:29.12Thunder_Childomg omg there are 2 new races....
18:29.23Beladonasquirrels, and moles
18:29.26IndustrialI want to make a l1 char and start all over again and read the story and quests etc
18:29.34Beladonathe latter cana burrow racial
18:29.35Mikkhaah
18:29.38Beladonahas a
18:29.51Thunder_Childsquirrels are alliance though
18:29.53IndustrialIve already planned it out
18:29.55cogwheelIndustrial: that'll only work 'till about level 20
18:30.03Industriali know
18:30.09Industrialfemale draenei shaman \o/
18:30.11IndustrialxD
18:30.17Beladonathe males look better
18:30.35Thunder_Childbut who wants to play looking at a guy all the time....
18:30.38BeladonaI honestly think the Draenei males are the best looking race in the alliance
18:30.45Beladonamy opinion of course
18:31.02BeladonaTHunder, I used to agree with that. All my chars are female
18:31.11Beladonabut um... they just look so cool
18:31.12malrethi'm wiith Industrial. female draenei shaman
18:31.21malrethand FDS woman... so very confident
18:31.29malreths/and/an/
18:31.30Thunder_Childwhatever floats your boat Beladona
18:31.42Beladonathe females look cool too though
18:31.48PlorkyeranHuh, warriors apparently get AP from agi in TBC
18:31.52Beladonamy only complaint, their tails look too tiny
18:31.54PlorkyeranHaven't seen that mentioned anywhere
18:31.54Thunder_Childyup
18:31.55tyroney|workHmm.  I have a 57 druid. level of rest, no real time to grind.  (going to a wedding this weekend)  Should I grind him a level, transfer now, or just not even bother trying to see the new content?
18:32.02IndustrialBeladona: they look very cool but they female draenei are just so.. dunno..
18:32.04*** join/#wowi-lounge lacindas (n=m0ney_d@76.19.51.225)
18:32.21MikkFemale draenei = female troll, to me
18:32.21Beladonasexay?
18:32.35MikkExcept the troll dance is hawt :-P
18:32.37Beladonathey do have a slight simialarity in posture
18:33.07Beladonabut nothing says lovin like a horny female <pun>
18:33.09*** join/#wowi-lounge ckknight_ (n=ckknight@rrcs-74-62-251-185.west.biz.rr.com)
18:33.18Industrialthe draenei are also way cooler then the elves  :P
18:33.39BeladonaI don't like any of the tentacle designs on the males though
18:33.46Beladonathe tentacles are WAY too thick
18:34.04Thunder_Childthey are made for tuging
18:34.09Beladonaconcept art show them "tendril" like
18:34.11IndustrialI so have to make a male one and call him Zoidberg
18:34.14Thunder_Childby the females, they have to be thick
18:34.28Beladonabut in game they are like octopus tentacles
18:35.45*** part/#wowi-lounge Mikk (n=opera@81-233-236-26-no19.tbcn.telia.com)
18:35.51*** join/#wowi-lounge Mikk (n=opera@81-233-236-26-no19.tbcn.telia.com)
18:35.52cogwheelhttp://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=32110014&sid=1#2 XD
18:36.10*** part/#wowi-lounge Mikk (n=opera@81-233-236-26-no19.tbcn.telia.com)
18:36.18*** join/#wowi-lounge Mikk (n=opera@81-233-236-26-no19.tbcn.telia.com)
18:38.03Thunder_Childis Cthkathal talking about the bible?
18:38.04*** join/#wowi-lounge Cide (i=Cide@81-226-233-5-no60.tbcn.telia.com)
18:38.18Beladonaum, no
18:38.21tyroney|workArgh, it's lunch time, so my d/l rate has dropped.
18:39.46jaxdahltalbuks are rep mounts
18:39.52jaxdahli won't spoil which faction it is
18:41.46zenzelezz"One employee admits, 'we are rather shaken and stressed at the moment, although I cannot say we didn't see it coming.'"
18:41.56zenzelezzyeah, we sort of expected him to get arrested sooner or later
18:42.13tyroney|workThat's really unfortunate.
18:42.14cogwheelhehe... i saw that too :)
18:42.34cogwheel:| *
18:43.03ckknight_talking about Reiser?
18:43.16ckknight_or who?
18:43.22cogwheelyes
18:43.31*** join/#wowi-lounge Cide (i=Cide@81-226-233-5-no60.tbcn.telia.com)
18:43.39ckknightyea, I'll judge him when real evidence comes in
18:44.09zenzelezzI'm not judging; just found that remark rather funny
18:48.12wereHamsterisn't it uncomfortable to sit on a pipe?
18:48.19tyroney|workDepends on the pipe.
18:48.26tyroney|workI've heard.
18:49.03zenzelezzdon't think I'd play the beta even if I got invited
18:49.11zenzelezzwould hate getting the good stuff only to lose it when it went live
18:50.01BeladonaI don't look at beta that way
18:50.13Beladonabeta to me is testing content so that it is BETTER when it goes live
18:50.37tyroney|workHeh.  I just played my 3rd (? ) rogue up to mid twenties, and I think I might replace him yet again.
18:50.40zenzelezzmost testers do, or should
18:50.44malrethbeta testing is not fun... it is work
18:50.45zenzelezzbut I'm not a good person >:)
18:50.54Beladonameh, I like it
18:50.59*** join/#wowi-lounge Kaelten (n=user@68.63.37.188)
18:51.00*** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o Kaelten] by ChanServ
18:51.07malrethi didn't say it was't enjoyable
18:51.11malrethwasn't
18:51.31tyroney|workTesting can be annoying when you don't get to look at all of the code involved.
18:53.40Beladonahow is that different than live?
18:54.32*** join/#wowi-lounge ckknight_ (n=ckknight@rrcs-74-62-251-185.west.biz.rr.com)
18:55.10jaxdahlleave the testing to the QA peeps :)
18:56.14tyroney|workYou don't have to do the same kind of testing on live. (or hopefully it's been fixed enough and you don't)
18:56.59Beladonait doesn't matter. People test because they can, and Blizzard lets them test because it gives them a better pulse on what needs to be changed for live.
19:00.45MikkPlayer testing isn't so much QA as it is feedback, I think
19:00.48*** join/#wowi-lounge Kirkburn (n=Kirkburn@82-32-40-219.cable.ubr06.azte.blueyonder.co.uk)
19:00.54Mikk(I.e. what Beladona said)
19:01.02cogwheelWoot! Coreiel strikes!
19:01.43zenzelezz"player testing" lets the QA team see what outsiders do when faced with the content
19:01.53zenzelezzsee = observe
19:02.33malreth<3 Coriel
19:02.34KirkburnHave I missed anything interesting today?
19:02.49Thunder_ChildE.G. controled testing of MMO rats
19:04.09zenzelezzaye
19:04.23zenzelezzthere really is no way to anticipate what players do before you see it
19:04.29cogwheelKirkburn: beta began
19:04.53KirkburnWoah!
19:05.06XuerianOnly a minor missed event, Kirk
19:05.09Xuerian;P
19:06.16Corrodiasthey're watching you
19:08.31Corrodias"talbuks are rep mounts // i won't spoil which faction it is" -- if it's the alliance, and the horde still isn't getting compensation for the mount imbalance, someone at blizzard is going to die
19:08.44KirkburnSoooo, have we removed all the don't post BC pics stuff from the wiki?
19:09.37XuerianStill can't post alpha stuff.
19:09.44XuerianBut beta is open season =D
19:10.02KirkburnExactly
19:12.22Corrodiasthis level 60 priest swears to retire his priest if he can't have one-button healing in ZG
19:12.46cogwheelGood for him.
19:12.57Corrodiasi'm not sure if i should pity his guild or not
19:13.01XuerianRetarded sob.
19:13.25malrethhmm..
19:13.33malrethwhat's his guild name?
19:13.51malrethwe should find their guild forums and let them know that they're losing their priest
19:13.57Corrodias<PROTECTED>
19:16.27zenzelezzis Dethknight the priest's name? o_O
19:16.27KasoWould anyone happen to have the US beta patch, i have a friend who plays on EU but with the US client, and he can't log onto the US site to download the correct version
19:16.34Kasoor even just the US downloader
19:17.27cogwheelkaso: http://beta.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=220231&sid=1
19:17.40Meryhttps://beta.worldofwarcraft.com/expansion/downloads/
19:17.42Thunder_Child[10/12/2006 - 12:09] Xuerian: Still can't post alpha stuff. you can post alpha stuff
19:17.47Meryyou don't need to login
19:17.49Thunder_Childhttp://beta.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=150021&sid=1&pageNo=2#26
19:17.52cogwheel^ has a torrent link so he can use another program besidse bliz downloader
19:17.55Corrodiasyes, dethknight is his name
19:17.56XuerianThunder_Child:  Oh o_0... I'm mistaken then
19:18.26Kasommm
19:18.54malrethhis guild doesn't show up on the progression list for his realm
19:19.01Thunder_Childbut mistaken in a good way
19:19.20Xuerian¬.¬
19:20.53Corrodiasprogression list?
19:21.15malrethmost realm forums have a list of how far raiding guilds have gotten in each instance
19:21.19Corrodiasi'm not aware blizzard keeps track of what guilds are actively attacking what raid instances
19:21.25jaxdahlcogwheel, who has a link?
19:21.27malrethit's player-maintained
19:21.30Corrodiasthat sounds pretty informal
19:21.34malrethyep
19:21.35cogwheeljaxdahl: the link i posted
19:21.46cogwheelin that forum thread there's a link to the torrent
19:22.02cogwheelit's the actual blizzard torrent, but you can use other, more reliable programs
19:22.03jaxdahli don't see you posting a forum link
19:22.19cogwheelit was my post right above what I said
19:22.22cogwheel:S
19:22.29tyroney|workI'm trying azureus to see how I like it.
19:22.36jaxdahlok i see it now
19:22.42krkaazureus is nice, but uses a lto of memory
19:22.45Corrodiasi like azureus, but it takes a lot of memory
19:22.50krkalol
19:22.53cogwheelHehe
19:22.54krkai prefer torrentflux corrently
19:22.56malrethuTorrent!
19:22.56gnorlish.i switched from azureus to utorrent
19:22.58zenzelezzµTorrent <3
19:22.58Corrodiasand i can't load very large torrents
19:23.01gnorlishit's very nice
19:23.05cogwheelMemory is something I have plenty of
19:23.06krkait runs in the background and provides a web interface
19:23.10Thunder_Child~agree malreth
19:23.15jaxdahlutorrent > *
19:23.18krkaanyone else here tried torrentflux?
19:23.28tyroney|workMaybe I'll go try utorrent, then.
19:23.30Corrodiasazureus can't load large torrents because it takes too much memory and the java VM limits the amount of memory it can use unless you give it arguments, which the azureus launcher makes impossible.
19:23.32krkayeah, utorrent is cool for windows, but not working in linux :(
19:23.41Thunder_Childit has the smallest foot print of any program
19:23.43krkaCorrodias: define large torrent
19:23.55krkai've gotten ~20 gig torrents with azureus
19:23.59Thunder_Childtorrent program*
19:24.00cogwheelCorrodias: it's doing the beta patch just fine for me... almost 2g
19:24.24krkaazureus and gij = pain
19:24.25Thunder_Childthe install turns into ~= 7GB
19:24.27jaxdahlkrka, it is worse if they use small pieces
19:24.28Corrodiasi'd have to check. the second version liz vicious siterip torrent wouldn't load
19:24.30krkaazureus with sun java = nice
19:24.41jaxdahlthe more pieces there are, the worse it is
19:24.47tyroney|workHmm.  Only 10-15k in azureous right now.
19:24.56jaxdahlit's more a function of piece #s, rather than size
19:26.06tyroney|workwhoa.  utorrent is crazy small.
19:26.24Cidefitting, huh?
19:26.24jaxdahlyep
19:27.03Corrodiasit's a beautiful program
19:27.15Thunder_Child~wiki utorrent
19:27.30Corrodiasanother thing to dislike about azureus is that it's the only one of the bittorrent clients that uses a different distributed tracker protocol and is incompatible with all the others
19:27.45XuerianuTorrent <3
19:28.01*** join/#wowi-lounge Rhez (n=Rozr@S010600134619ca05.vf.shawcable.net)
19:28.11tyroney|workwoot:   "dslreports.com speed test done 2006-10-12 15:27:45 EST:
19:28.12tyroney|work1067 / 1337 Kbps ·or· 130.2 / 163.3 KB/sec"
19:29.06Thunder_Childand if anyone really cares http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_BitTorrent_software
19:29.54Thunder_ChildI <3 wikipedia
19:30.06tyroney|workhow can I use a magnet: uri with utorrent?
19:30.16Corrodiasyou can't. only azureus does that, afaik.
19:30.36Corrodiashowever, i can use azureus to get the .torrent and then load it in utorrent, i think
19:30.43tyroney|workI'll try that.
19:31.24Corrodiasit'll save the .torrent in a folder in the azureus install folder, i think. or maybe you can "export" the file.
19:31.34Corrodiasi don't have either installed on this computer
19:32.38cogwheelAzureus is using 67MB ram for me...
19:33.15krka345 virt, 84 res, for me
19:33.55Thunder_Child13MB for utorrent
19:34.01Corrodiasit's just that there's a limit allowed by the java VM unless you give it special arguments, and that's impossible to do with the azureus launcher.
19:34.27jaxdahlif you can provide a .torrent that ould be great, so i can throttle it
19:34.41cogwheellook around on the beta forums
19:34.50cogwheelthere's a bunch of different threads on it
19:34.50tyroney|workI have one here.  Allegedly...
19:35.56jaxdahlhttp://capnbry.net/wow/downloads/WoWTorrentEx-2.zip ?
19:36.17jaxdahlhttp://www.fileden.com/files/2006/9/12/215356/blizzdown.%3Cspan%20class=highlight%3Etorrent%3C/span%3E
19:37.51jaxdahlwowtorrentex is a prog to extact the torrent
19:38.19jaxdahlhttp://www.fileden.com/files/2006/9/12/215356/blizzdown.torrent rather
19:38.23cogwheelfrom the blizz downloader?
19:39.09Beladonaare you guys downloading the beta because you are in the beta? or just because?
19:39.22Corrodiasprobably because they're in it. they're special.
19:39.26tyroney|workIn.  (woo!)
19:39.45IndustrialCan i add a unitframe for the unit 'targettarget' or is that done differently?
19:39.45jaxdahlnot in yet, but may be in the future ;)
19:39.50BeladonaI was gonna say, if anyone is downloading just to get the ui files, I should have them up on wdn soon
19:40.17Beladonathe blizzard ui interface kit doesn't work on beta right now
19:40.19Beladona=(
19:40.43Thunder_Childthe whole arg --> select thing is just iritating
19:40.49KirkburnI find it ironic how WoWInsider is reporting about the lack of an NDA for the beta. Like they cared anyway :/
19:40.49XuerianNice, Beladona =)
19:40.54tyroney|workI should've just left the bliz d/l'r running.
19:41.21jaxdahli'm getting insane speeds now with utorrent
19:41.25ckknightIndustrial, yes.
19:41.27jaxdahlcompared to blizz downloader
19:41.32KirkburnY'know if there's any lovely people in the beta here, I would *love* if you could start uploading images to the wiki :D
19:41.34Industrialckknight: got it :D
19:41.39cogwheeltyroney|work: I was never able to get more than 20KB/s with blizz downloader
19:41.45jaxdahl300 kb/s down now
19:41.45Corrodiasso these changes, do they mean that most addons need to be rewritten?
19:41.50cogwheelbut i was getting full T1 speed with Azureus
19:41.56tyroney|workI was hitting 80-100k, so it was ok.
19:42.09Thunder_Childthey do simply because of the 5.0 to 5.1 shift
19:42.13Beladonanot all, but most will need at least minor changes to be compatible with lua 5.1
19:42.17Beladonaat the elast
19:42.23Beladonasome will need more major rewrites
19:42.25jaxdahli coudl probably max out at 600kb/sec, but i have upload throttled so i can use VNC
19:42.31Thunder_Childall arg is now select, shich is just a word change but still needs to be edited
19:42.38Thunder_Childwhich*
19:42.49jaxdahldo you think there will be automatic converters to try to correct most changes to functions?
19:42.54jaxdahlto try to get an addon to 'work'
19:43.04BeladonaI doubt it
19:43.10Thunder_Childwrite one jax
19:43.10cogwheeljaxdahl: that would be virtually impossible
19:43.14Beladonathere are too many "what if's"
19:43.14jaxdahlor at the least to point out potentila problems
19:43.18cogwheelit's not just functions that are changing
19:43.27Beladonathere are SOME things you can search and replace
19:43.32cogwheelit's the whole architecture of action buttons and unit frames
19:43.55jaxdahloh hey, download went up to 580kb/s down
19:44.05jaxdahlstill uploading capped at 15kb
19:44.14Corrodiasthat means a big sigh from people who aren't authors and use addons whose authors have abandoned them
19:45.02Beladonaexample --- 'for k,v in table do' -- changed to 'for k,v in pairs(table) do'
19:45.06Corrodiasargh. oh, well. just gives me something to do.
19:45.12jaxdahlwould be nice if addons can be written in such a way that they are both compatible with TBC and 1.12.1
19:45.19jaxdahlso we can start using them now
19:45.21Beladonathey can
19:45.25jaxdahland transisstion seamlessly
19:45.36jaxdahlie, quit using decursive
19:45.42jaxdahland use it as info only
19:45.44Beladonaits a simple call to find out what version you are using. There is a lot more code though
19:46.14Josh_BorkeMikk: ping
19:46.42cogwheelThat would work if all your frames are created in Lua... XML is another story though...
19:47.11Beladonajaxdahl: http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetBuildInfo
19:47.21Beladonacogwheel: true
19:47.52Corrodiaswhy are they switching to 5.1, anyway?
19:48.00cogwheelIncremental GC for one thing
19:48.09Beladonabetter memory handling, and various other enhancements
19:48.13Corrodiasah, cool
19:48.17Thunder_Childand to piss coders off
19:48.31Corrodiasi take it that "incremental GC" means that it doesn't make everything freeze for half a second at a time
19:48.35Beladonano, thats just the excuse coders use
19:48.37Beladona=P
19:48.40Thunder_Childlol
19:48.52cogwheelCorrodias: basically, yes
19:49.21Corrodiasbasically? that's one of them qualifiers
19:50.35cogwheelI almost always use qualifiers...
19:50.37cogwheel;)
19:50.53cogwheelThe better to go to law school with :)
19:53.18tyroney|workI think I lost an hour of progress when I quit the bliz downloader.
19:53.52jaxdahli think they should up the epic flying mount to 20000g
19:54.38zenzelezzis there a non-epic flying mount?
19:55.45Corrodiasi believe i read so
19:56.07zenzelezzany word on their cost?
19:56.23ckknightjaxdahl, why?
19:56.55jaxdahlrather, the 300 riding skill
19:57.01jaxdahl5000 doesn't seem epic enough
19:57.10jaxdahlkirkburn, posted a reply: http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Cockatrice#Yes.2C_you_may...
19:57.27Hatsukihmm, riding skill is 5000g for flying mounts?
19:57.39Kirkburnjaxdahl, yargggh
19:57.42jaxdahlHatsuki, for 300 (epic flying)
19:57.51jaxdahl225 is ah.. 800 or 900g
19:58.17Hatsuki150 (current) is 800g iirc
19:58.29jaxdahl150 is 900g base
19:58.35Hatsukiso what is 225 for if 300 is flying
19:58.39Hatsukinormal flying?
19:58.50jaxdahl225 = normal flying
19:58.53jaxdahl300 = epic flying
19:59.40Hatsuki5kg is lot to grind. I guess chinese will have nice business
19:59.42Kirkburnjaxdahl, do what is necessary :P You obviously know more than me :)
20:00.07jaxdahlyea, i'm not 100% certain they're hawkstriders
20:00.10jaxdahlbut we'll see
20:00.37jaxdahli want to wait for more concrete info before making sweeping changes
20:01.06Corrodias5k is a lot to grind at level 60
20:01.22Corrodias800g is a lot to grind at level 40
20:01.34Hatsukitrue
20:01.37jaxdahlcorr..
20:01.44jaxdahlflying mounts req lvl 70
20:01.47Hatsuki800g is lot for lvl60 also
20:01.51Cidethat's what he meant
20:01.55Corrodiasjaxdahl: hence my point. try to keep up. ;)
20:01.56Cide800g isn't that much at 60
20:02.10CideI imagine the 5k will be a bit harder than 800g relatively speaking, but not that much
20:02.12axxo800g is nottin if your a raider
20:02.16Cideuh
20:02.21Cide800g is a LOT if you're a raider, more like it
20:02.21Corrodias800g takes while at 60. but you're not grinding 5000g at level 60. you're getting it at 70.
20:02.24axxoalot for the normal ppl
20:02.26zenzelezzraiding costs
20:02.29Hatsukimaybe I then just suck at money making, but 800g is lot for me
20:02.34KirkburnEveryone, quick! To the wiki post-mobile! (yes, I am going to repeated poke you all)
20:02.38CideI don't think anyone in our guild has over 100g now :)
20:02.38jaxdahli go through 800g raiding in about 3-4 weeks
20:03.04Corrodiasso far we're low level raiders. we don't spend much on ZG.
20:03.09jaxdahlonce burned through 500g in 1 week
20:03.10Hatsukibest (or worst) nights are 200g+
20:03.16jaxdahlworking on c'thun
20:03.32Hatsukiso to get 800g+ extra is hard for me
20:03.36jaxdahlwipe night can cost me 50g or more
20:03.44cogwheelboy oh boy it takes a long time to install BC
20:04.05Corrodiasso what i have to wonder is how the hell you guys fund yourselves
20:04.09Corrodiasunless you only raid once a month
20:04.13jaxdahlBWL = 40 g
20:04.18Hatsuki12bosses down in naxx :|  They should really do something about loatheb/patchwerk
20:04.26jaxdahlin straight boss gold loot
20:04.49Hatsukialmost require to have all consumables ingame
20:04.51jaxdahlDEing greens.. you get valuable mats
20:04.55Corrodiasoh, so you're not talking about your net worth change. you're talking about JUST expenditures.
20:05.17Hatsukiwell, bwl is around 3000g
20:05.19jaxdahlyea, i break even each week
20:05.28Hatsukisometimes even more, selling epics that is
20:06.12Beladonacogwheel, part of the install time is spent taking stuff from live and repackaging them for BC as a separate install
20:06.29cogwheelthat's neat
20:06.44Beladonathe BC installer is like a 1.95GB patcher
20:06.45jaxdahlhttp://forums.elitistjerks.com/viewtopic.php?id=8932
20:06.49Beladonalol
20:06.55jaxdahlpost #4 has a nice summary of info from another thread
20:06.55tyroney|workI wonder if you could make money burning patch DVDs.
20:06.56Beladonaor better yet, ptr installer
20:06.58cogwheelthough, I wonder why it can't just leave the files in place
20:07.00Shadowed800g isn't hard to keep if you're a raider btw :p
20:07.06Shadoweddepends on your guilds policy for repairs
20:07.27jaxdahlour guild bank sold off our sulf ingots
20:07.35jaxdahlblew up to over 10kg
20:07.39Hatsukinever of anything else than "you pay your repairs"
20:07.49zenzelezzsame
20:07.56jaxdahloften tank repairs are paid for
20:07.56zenzelezzpotions too
20:07.58Hatsukiflasks are free for tanks
20:08.11Hatsukibut all others pay for flasks
20:08.16Hatsukithemselves
20:08.18Corrodiasmakes sense... well
20:08.19jaxdahlyep, we pay for flasks, stoneshield pots
20:08.24Shadowedouch
20:08.26Corrodiasi'd expect a tax for that
20:08.33Josh_BorkeMikk: ping, dunno if you saw the first one...
20:08.46Shadowedour guild bank pays for all potions, if you can bring your own great. And pays for all repairs during learning attempts
20:09.01Hatsukinot so surprising that SM is full of lvl60s nowadays
20:09.15CorrodiasSM pays crap >_<
20:09.21HatsukiGSPP
20:09.32ShadowedLoatheb
20:09.33Shadowed:/
20:09.34axxograve moss
20:09.35Hatsukiindeed
20:09.39Hatsukiand fadeleaf
20:09.49zenzelezzflasks are on the guild for us; repairs and potions are your responsibiilty
20:10.14jaxdahli have heard of guilds selling pots for dkp
20:10.22Shadowedthat's just stupid
20:10.24tyroney|workWow.
20:10.27HatsukiShadowed: but your guild bank is filthy rich if it can afford giving potions
20:10.29jaxdahlor rewarding dkp for giving pots
20:10.56Meryall my guilds did rewarding dkp for farming
20:11.07MikkJosh_Borke: pong
20:11.19tyroney|workHatsuki: no offense, but after your SM comment I wonder if you're aware of how easy it can be to obtain decent money.
20:11.32Corrodiasi have no idea how to make money
20:11.45ShadowedHatsuki: We're on sapph, if the guild bank didn't pay for the majority of the pots we wouldnt go anywhere
20:11.45Mikki don't either. but i have 1.5kg sitting on my toons.
20:11.48Hatsukityroney|work: could be. as I said I suck at money making.
20:11.51Corrodiasi try. i'm steadily gaining cash, but i fear it's from quests.
20:12.07Shadowedsince gothik, loatheb, 4H, sapph all require a lot of potions and flasks
20:12.12jaxdahli've been leveling my alt.. lvl 51 rogue now
20:12.18jaxdahland i fund my main with that
20:12.23ShadowedI had about 700g until i started doing a GM Grind while raiding and had to equip my priest
20:12.37Hatsukier....gothik requires potions? couple GAPP for melee but that's it
20:12.44Josh_BorkeMikk: woohoo!
20:12.52Shadowedshadow pots make it easier
20:12.53Corrodiasso -how- do you get money?
20:12.56tyroney|workWhen I go back and roll someone new for fun, it's interesting how much more quickly I can pile up gold nowadays.
20:12.57Shadowedherbing
20:13.07jaxdahlyea
20:13.11Shadowedfew hours of picking dreamfoil for bank, easy 19g a stack
20:13.13CorrodiasScarlet Monastery has a few herbs... but you can't sell them to other raiders, can you? it's just people buying shit off each other
20:13.20jaxdahlbags = huge investment
20:13.25HatsukiShadowed: df sells 9g stack on my server
20:13.31jaxdahlvendor trash is undervalued by a lot of people
20:13.32CideHatsuki: true, but gothik is pretty damn hard to execute perfectly, so a lot of guilds do loatheb (buffed) -> gothik
20:13.38Shadowedouch
20:13.39Hatsukigromsblood is 24/7 camped
20:13.41Shadowedit's 19g a stack on ours
20:13.45Corrodiaspeople passing money back and forth doesn't make money. you have to give gold to an NPC for repairs, and he won't buy herbs from you for decent prices.
20:13.45Shadowedwhat server are you on?
20:13.50Hatsukimagtheridon
20:13.53tyroney|workI did two new characters on a server. One got to 6, the other was 20, and I had about 10 gold between them.  Mostly from linen cloth.
20:13.53ShadowedCide: yeah thats what we usually do
20:13.54jaxdahldf = 20g
20:14.00jaxdahlgroms=18g
20:14.11jaxdahlblack lotus, 18-25g
20:14.15Hatsukiwe have literally thousands of chinese farmers
20:14.21Shadowedlotus is around 13g for us
20:14.22jaxdahlfel lotus is a random drop off herbs in the expansion
20:14.22Hatsukilotus= 50g+
20:14.24tyroney|workWorking at a decent level, with something more profitable than cloth, you can make good flow.
20:14.41ShadowedIt's not really hard to earn money, you just need to commit a little bit of time to it
20:14.57Hatsukiwell, you dont earn money with herbing
20:15.03Corrodiasi still don't understand
20:15.04Shadowed...
20:15.07jaxdahlalso, doing quests at 60 earns you a lot of money
20:15.09Corrodiasraiders don't buy herbs, they sell them
20:15.12Hatsukiat least not on my server, camped too well
20:15.12Corrodiaswho the hell buys herbs?
20:15.16CideShadowed: it can be, depending on what you're doing
20:15.28CideCorrodias: people who need potions but don't have time to farm
20:15.29Shadowedwell yeah
20:15.37CorrodiasCide: but where do they get the money for them?
20:15.55Corrodiasif they're not selling herbs, that brings us back around to the front of the circle. are they running SM all day?
20:15.55axxofarm instance = 30g profit?
20:15.57Hatsukiat any given time there are 30+ unguilded hunters in epl/ws/azshara/steppes/etc
20:16.00Cidevarious sites quite often, Corr[home]
20:16.02CideCorrodias*
20:16.23Corrodiasvarious sites quite often? i don't understand. that didn't have a verb.
20:16.51chuckgAnyone know of a "creating a frame through lua for dummies" tutorial somewhere?
20:16.53Shadowedlot of guilds will buy herbs too
20:16.56CideI continued your sentence :) they get money from various sites (read: buy it)
20:17.09Corrodiasoh. okay
20:17.11jaxdahlhttp://beta.worldofwarcraft.com/index.html?sid=5
20:17.12Shadowed*lot of guild banks will buy herbs from raiders too
20:17.23Corrodiasand the money gets into the guild banks somehow
20:17.28Hatsukiguilds usually buy flask-herbs
20:17.34Corrodiaspossibly buying from chinese guys who don't do anything else all day
20:17.41Shadowedfrom raiders
20:17.43Shadowednot from a farmer
20:17.44tyroney|workReally, who's earning depends on the age of the server.  Mine is in its twink phase, so 19 and 29 greens have been pretty profitable lately.
20:17.57CorrodiasShadowed: but we're back around the circle again
20:17.57Shadowedguilds can make profit from a ton of things
20:18.08ShadowedAQ20 books, selling BOE's, selling bwl/mc runs
20:18.18Corrodiasbut you have to sell those all TO somebody! argh
20:18.20Shadowedhell, if you're desperate enough you could take gold from bosses
20:18.34tyroney|workNewer servers will have bigger prices on transitional cloth, herbs, ores.
20:19.04Merywell its not hard to sell BoP items, you get tells all the time once your guild does it once
20:19.04tyroney|workAnd there's always rep-grind items to sell.
20:19.12Corrodiasi'm not thinking of individual people making money. i'm thinking of the economy as a whole
20:19.40Corrodiaswith people dumping 720g a pop for riding skills, there has to be some constant in-flow of money into the economy from SOMEWHERE that isn't "other people"
20:20.02tyroney|workIsn't the economy made up of individuals?  Sure, farming accounts for a decent amount of influx, but regular people still sit around plaguelands or wherever grinding for fun and profit.
20:20.07HatsukiMery: yep. my guild has nice drop% with ashkandis, selling those 2-3k is good money
20:20.08Merywell the constant in-flowi s form killing mobs (loot) and now also quest completion
20:20.09ckknightCorrodias, mobs?
20:20.26Corrodiasckknight: that's the only thing i can think of. people are ignoring mob value.
20:20.28ckknightWoW is non-zerosum
20:20.43Corrodiaseverybody here talks about making gold in terms of making other people give it to them
20:20.55Corrodiasexcept i think one person mentioned that BWL pays for itself in gold drops
20:21.12Shadowedso does naxx if you aren't wiping
20:21.15Hatsukinaxx also pays for many bosses
20:21.35CorrodiasNOW we're getting somewhere
20:22.13KirkburnAnything I've missed? ;) http://www.wowwiki.com/MediaWiki:Uploadtext
20:24.10Corrodiastime for class. [away]
20:24.19Beladonadid you guys read the stuff about Spell Reflect?
20:24.29Beladona=)
20:24.37jaxdahlholy crap.. crusader strike isn't a 'holy school' ability
20:24.39zenzelezzwhat about it?
20:24.47Josh_Borkejaxdahl: o.O
20:24.50*** join/#wowi-lounge Eufe (n=kreso@83-131-42-184.adsl.net.t-com.hr)
20:25.09jaxdahlJosh_Borke, looks like you know what it means
20:25.23Josh_Borkeis it physical?
20:25.26Shadowedwhat changed for spell reflect?
20:25.39Josh_Borkewait, is it a physical school ability that deals holy damage?
20:26.28Beladonano, it has a chance to reflect enemy spells
20:26.31Beladona....
20:26.39Beladonamakes protection warriors better in pvp imho
20:27.16BeladonaSpell Reflect
20:27.16Beladonaat first it's a complete monster inkilling every caster you come against, then after you kill them a fewtimes with their own spells they get smart and find ways to work aroundit. lemme put it this way: a smart warrior with spell reflect will be anightmare to every mage that doesn't have 41 points in frost (the petwill use up yer spell reflects) other classes are touch and go, but itnever gets boring reflecting deathcoil, sheep, fear, hammer of justi
20:28.14Josh_BorkeNICE
20:28.58zenzelezzEmperor Vek'Nilash's Unbalancing Strike was reflected.
20:29.42Shadowedit's melee not a spell :p
20:29.50Shadowedspell reflect will be amazing in WSG
20:29.50cogwheelmalreth: Mouse really needs to post in the "how do I play on my laptop" thread
20:29.52cogwheelXD
20:30.01zenzelezzwell, you get the point
20:30.04zenzelezzwould be fun
20:30.33Shadowedwhats 41pt frost?
20:30.46malrethMouse is my guild leader
20:31.05malrethhe really doesn't take any crap from people
20:31.08jaxdahlJosh_Borke, it's most likely physical school
20:31.11BeladonaSummon Water Elemental
20:31.15jaxdahland yes it deals holy dmage :)
20:31.16Beladonais 40 points in frost
20:33.18malrethdamn... i'm buying him a drink next time i see him in game
20:34.50BeladonaLOL
20:35.16Beladonathis guy goes: I actually complained to my party members at one point, because they kept silencing and interrupting casters, and I didn't get to reflect them
20:36.06Shadowedlol
20:36.06|FF|Im2good4u:( latlest trick on out server .. send osme1 an ord COD for a each price but its actauly an pearl
20:36.37Shadowedord?
20:37.09|FF|Im2good4uorb i mean
20:37.34zenzelezzseen that on our server before
20:37.47Shadowedah
20:40.30Iriel|WorkingI believe that's reportable if the person is claiming it's an orb
20:41.39Shadowedit is
20:41.42Shadowedit's considered scamming
20:41.42|FF|Im2good4ureproting is for noobs just put him on my global server black list addon !
20:42.01Shadowednot very useful if the majority don't use it ;)
20:42.24|FF|Im2good4uoO
20:42.30|FF|Im2good4uthis it it i cn make ppl use it
20:42.32Beladonareporting isn't for noobs when it comes to scamming
20:42.52|FF|Im2good4uill scan ppl thier player names whne i walk aronud and thne make an addobn to spam thier mail box to dl an addon thne it stops !
20:43.08Shadowedcan you repeat that in english please :/
20:43.16|FF|Im2good4uoke
20:43.23*** join/#wowi-lounge Kaso (n=Jonathan@graduate.nat.lancs.ac.uk)
20:43.27cogwheelI like reporting people with non-ascii names on US servers ... does that make me a bad gnome?
20:43.33Shadowedno
20:44.25*** join/#wowi-lounge kaso| (n=Jonathan@graduate.nat.lancs.ac.uk)
20:44.37|FF|Im2good4umake 1 addon that reads the names of players, use those names in a automagicly mail sending addon to spam every1 to download my addon, only then the mials get auto removed :P
20:44.55ShadowedGood way to get yourself blacklisted from addon sites
20:45.17|FF|Im2good4udo blacklists exists ?
20:45.26*** join/#wowi-lounge Kaso (n=Jonathan@graduate.nat.lancs.ac.uk)
20:45.38Shadoweddunno, ask cair
20:45.52XuerianI'm sure Cair would make a special one just for you.
20:46.32malrethHAAHAA! Potilian cracks me up
20:47.01cogwheelGeeze... it seriously took less time to install windows vista on my computer than it did to install the BC beta :\
20:47.18Beladonathe question is: which will use you use more?
20:47.19Shadowedbut which crashes more
20:47.23BeladonaHA!
20:47.26cogwheel:)
20:47.29malrethLoser who complains he can't play with just a keyboard and needs macros: "I don't play counter-strike, I play WOW" Potilian: "Not when the TBC comes out bahahahaha :P"
20:47.43cogwheelVista's never crashed for me yet, but the nVidia drivers are still a bit on the crappy side
20:47.56XuerianLol malreth
20:47.58cogwheelXD
20:48.18XuerianHeaing with keyboard is going to remind me of Tribes XE
20:48.19Shadowedhaha
20:48.25Xuerians/XE/XD/
20:48.39*** join/#wowi-lounge Cairen1 (n=Karen@CPE00045a2bfcbc-CM000f212f84be.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com)
20:49.31Shadowedbtw, anyone know if we can set self-cast to cast it on yourself if the target is an enemy AND you're pvp flagged in TBC?
20:49.39Shadowedor will it be impossible
20:49.44ckknightI wish I could play WoW without the mouse :-P
20:50.04wereHamstercommand line ftw :)
20:52.33BeladonaI think setting the self-cast modifier will self-cast regardless
20:52.49Shadowedugh
20:52.54Shadowedbah
20:53.02Shadowedoh well i can make  a mod around that i suppose
20:53.13Beladonanot sure I undetstood your question
20:53.15tyroney|workAnyone have a resource for taking installer tomes and such and dropping on CDs in a way that will make it runnable as is with no copy to HD?
20:53.19Beladonagive me an example
20:53.58Beladonatyroney: do you mean putting the installer on cd?
20:54.04cogwheeltyroney|work: get a dvd burner :P
20:54.05Beladonasplitting it
20:54.10Beladonayeah
20:54.20cogwheelyou might just be able to put each tome onto the subsequent CDs
20:54.24cogwheeli'd say try it...
20:54.33cogwheelhow much do CD-Rs cost these days anyway?
20:54.35Beladonamost likely the installer would just throw a fit
20:54.38cogwheelya know?
20:54.41tyroney|workLst time I tried, there was some file, or CD naming convention or something that made it not like them.
20:55.00tyroney|workI should just go look at my orig WoW discs and extrapolate.
20:55.02cogwheelI'd ask on the beta forum..
20:55.07Beladonapersonally I like this style
20:55.17BeladonaI always wanted to take my wow cdroms and combine into a dvd
20:55.46Beladonabut then they did that trial client, which is just as easy to burn to dvd
20:55.47ShadowedBeladona: I've got it setup to self cast automatically when targetting an enemy and pvp flagged, but not self cast when not pvp flagged when targetting an enemy
20:55.54ShadowedBut I suppose i could just make a mod to toggle the option on and off
20:56.24Beladonathat is logic that I don't think will be supported
20:58.11Shadowedyeah
20:58.36ShadowedUnless they make toggling self cast a keyboard requirement or it wont update if you're in combat, you can easly make a mod to turn it on when pvped, and turn it off when not
21:00.31Beladonabbiab
21:04.06Industrialhttp://imagesocket.com/view/WoWScrnShot_101206_230050f00.jpg
21:10.44*** join/#wowi-lounge Osagasu (n=Kronus@208.104.133.240)
21:11.33XuerianIndustrial: Slice the non-essential fubar displays into the center and leave them as the attached topbar, autohide topbars, and put perf/honor/xp/mail/time on detached bars in their place :)
21:12.16Industrialwww what/
21:12.24XuerianXD
21:12.37IndustrialI was showing my unitframes btw :P
21:12.40XuerianThought I'd comment on something completely unrelated to what your point was :). Neat bars XD
21:12.45Industrialdoh
21:13.19malrethwoot! "MAJOR UI NERF, cure WORSE then problem." moved to Suggestions Forum
21:13.26malrethi should be keeping score
21:13.55zenzelezzam I missing something? Those look standard to me
21:14.29tyroney|workµTorrent is still blowing my mind.
21:14.37malrethain't it nice?
21:14.46Industrialzenzelezz: yeah, the ones in the middle
21:15.22zenzelezzIndustrial: all those icons?
21:15.43Industrialzenzelezz: are you kidding me? :|
21:16.10KirkburnWow, already seeing level 13 BEs and level 64 Orcs on the forums
21:16.12zenzelezznope, but I'm not sure what I'm actually looking for
21:16.22Industrialzenzelezz: above the buttons
21:16.27Industrialthe unitframes
21:16.27Industrial..
21:16.50zenzelezzthose bars? Way too small to be considered unit frames o_O (In my view)
21:16.53malrethlevel 64... that's fast
21:17.08zenzelezzdo you get to copy existing characters to beta?
21:18.07cogwheelyes, but it's taking a long time
21:18.28Industrialzenzelezz: small how, as in the bars arent thick enough or the length?
21:18.32zenzelezzmany should have max rest XP then I imagine (1.5 levels?)
21:19.15Mr_Rabies2holy crap
21:19.21Mr_Rabies2the new druid trees = awesome
21:19.25zenzelezzIndustrial: nothing wrong about them, I'm just used to huge graphics and stuff when people speak of custom "unit frames"
21:19.28zenzelezzI prefer small
21:19.32Cidezenzelezz: rested XP is wiped atm
21:19.41Industrialzenzelezz: me too
21:19.42cogwheelzenzelezz: they took all the rest from 60s in the last small patch
21:19.53zenzelezzthey did? Bastards
21:20.22cogwheelAlso, turning in quests that you acquired before the expansion will only be redeemable for gold
21:20.32cogwheelso no stocking up on quest turn-ins ;)
21:20.36Cidegood.
21:20.45CideI'm way too lazy to stack up on quests
21:21.22Shadowedwait
21:21.25Shadowedwe lose all our rested XP?
21:21.32cogwheelyep
21:21.51Shadowedsadface
21:21.55cogwheelThey don't want us to have an advantage over people who just turn 60 before the expansion
21:22.19ShadowedGod help us for being a level and a half faster then they are -.-
21:22.22zenzelezzso they're taking away all our stuff with Level 60 req too? =D
21:22.44cogwheelwe're talking xp, zenz :P
21:22.55zenzelezzlies
21:26.13jaxdahlis there a new paperdoll?
21:26.22Cideyes, kind of
21:26.38Cideit shows a bunch of new statistics, and is quite cool
21:26.53Shadoweddoes it show +spell dmg yet
21:26.56Cideyes
21:26.59Cideand spell crit
21:27.01axxodo you lose progress made in beta?
21:27.06Cideyes, axxo
21:27.14axxohaha suckers in beta
21:27.58cogwheelwe're only suckers if we didn't realize that going in
21:28.01Cideit's for helping blizzard test things and getting to try it ahead of time (mostly the former as far as blizzard is concerned)
21:28.14cogwheelThere are other reasons to play the beta besides character advancement
21:28.31Cide(rewriting mods!)
21:28.33Shadowedreport info to sites
21:28.50cogwheelYep. mods is a big one since the PTR isn't out yet
21:29.19Mr_Rabies2is the level cap at beta still 67?
21:29.26*** join/#wowi-lounge cladhaire (n=jnwhiteh@cpe-69-202-110-177.twcny.res.rr.com)
21:29.32cogwheeli think so
21:29.40cogwheelsomeone asked about it in the beta forum this morning
21:30.27jaxdahlCide..
21:30.39jaxdahlpaperdoll as in the one that shows up when gear is yellow/red?
21:30.52Cidejaxdahl: paperdoll as in character sheet
21:30.59Cidedefault keybinding being 'c'
21:31.08CideI'm not aware of any changes to the durability guy
21:32.16Shadowedyou're in alpha cide?
21:32.25Cideit's beta
21:32.31Shadoweder beta not alpha
21:32.39cogwheeland he wouldn't be able to tell you if he were :P
21:33.01jaxdahlwhy wouldn't he be able to tell you?
21:33.07Shadowedthey lifted the NDA
21:33.07cogwheelalpha was under NDA
21:34.46TainPhantasy Star Universe open beta for the XBox 360 this weekend and my 360 is in for repairs.
21:34.51*** join/#wowi-lounge fatbrain (n=jonas@85.8.1.66.se.wasadata.net)
21:34.58fatbrainCan Undead buy raptor mounts?
21:35.53Tain~8ball Can Undead buy raptor mounts?
21:35.54purlUnsure.
21:36.43TainI've exhausted my research capabilities.
21:36.49cogwheelXD
21:37.10malrethany of you all live in Austin, TX?
21:37.48cogwheelMy ex-step-dad owns some land in Van... does that count?
21:37.51cogwheel:P
21:38.13malrethno... it does not.
21:40.11malrethwell, we've defended the forums successfully yet again
21:40.25cogwheel:(
21:40.26malrethtime to retreat to my humble home
21:40.42cogwheelMy wife just now entered her beta code from blizzcon
21:40.44malrethand there I shall sleep until evil rears its ugly head
21:40.49cogwheelthink she'll get the invite?
21:41.11malrethshe doesn't want the invite
21:41.14malrethgive it to me
21:41.19cogwheel:P
21:42.13malrethlater everyone!
21:45.18*** join/#wowi-lounge ckknight (n=ckknight@198.199.136.119)
21:45.48ckknighthey all
21:47.32cogwheelWTS [Formula: Transmute malreth to ckknight]
21:47.44ckknightwtf?
21:47.54cogwheelmalreth just logged off :)
21:48.02jaxdahlis it true that an enemy cast bar is built into the interface?
21:48.20Corrodiasfatbrain: the answer is yes, once they have exalted rep with darkspear
21:50.08OsagasuOkay: question.
21:50.35OsagasuWhen the high elves went to Draenor with the alliance expedition, why didn't they realize then that they were addicted to magic?
21:50.59IndustrialI managed to crash vim with a :bn<CR> and alot of manual folds
21:51.00Industrialhttp://imagesocket.com/view/untitledf7a.PNG
21:51.16Corrodiasbecause blood elves have a terrible, contagious "stupidity" disease
21:51.23Corrodias(or high elves)
21:52.02Kasowait, you use windows based vi? thats confusing
21:52.28PlorkyeranIt's a great editor regardless of platform :P
21:53.42jaxdahllol @ thisbug: http://members.shaw.ca/ChapelEvergreen/WoWScrnShot_101206_144354.jpg
21:53.54Kasoi could never get used to it, text commands on a text editor seems counterintuitive to me maybe cos ive been brought up with wind0wz
21:54.23Corrodiasjaxdahl: where's your cursor?
21:54.34PlorkyeranI find using the keyboard to do things while typing perfectly intuitive :P
21:54.37Kaso30 AV tokens, thats a bit steep
21:54.40Xuerianrofl jaxdahl
21:54.42*** join/#wowi-lounge Corr[stillhome] (n=no@d5-151.rb2.lax.centurytel.net)
21:55.08PlorkyeranThat could be a bit hard with them still being Unique(20)...
21:55.16PlorkyeranBut 30 BG wins for a mount is nothing
21:55.33Corrodiasoh, i see
21:55.33KasoAV? ive won it like 3 times in my live
21:55.35Kasolife
21:55.52Corrodiasthat's 30 honor tokens from each BG
21:55.56Corrodiasyou get 1 for losing. 3 is a win.
21:56.07PlorkyeranI've had two AV tokens for well over a year
21:56.11PlorkyeranWaiting for a third loss
21:56.40XuerianSo.... You just have to finish 30 times in each, or win 10? Damn that's cheap
21:56.49PlorkyeranHorde in my battleground just kill Belinda then lose and requeue
22:00.03Corrodiasshould be balinda, shouldn't it?
22:00.20Corrodiaslooks like my computer's connection at home is having the hiccups
22:00.23PlorkyeranErr, yeah
22:00.43*** join/#wowi-lounge Corr[stillhome] (n=no@d5-151.rb2.lax.centurytel.net)
22:03.22*** join/#wowi-lounge Qzot (i=user@sandbox.xerox.com)
22:08.54*** join/#wowi-lounge Kaso (n=Jonathan@graduate.nat.lancs.ac.uk)
22:12.18fatbrainCorrodias: Thanks
22:13.36*** join/#wowi-lounge Kirov (n=Kirov@204.155.78.140)
22:19.55*** join/#wowi-lounge Bhattu (n=deank@18-20-64.66.res.logixcom.net)
22:29.09jaxdahlhm.. beta .. data directory is simplified
22:29.15jaxdahlcommon.MPQ, expansion.MPQ
22:29.34jaxdahland there's an enUS dir with the rest of the .MPQ files, localized stuff
22:29.39Kasoto stop people using patch2 etc to replace models ?
22:29.40Corrodiasand now TankPointsFu makes me unable to expand the "general" section of a chat tab's context menu, like one version of Squishy did
22:34.00Corrodiasthink i might want to change my lowbie alt's face
22:36.00*** join/#wowi-lounge Osagasu (n=Kronus@208.104.133.240)
22:36.14OsagasuWhat's the itemlevel for that Adamantite breastplate again?
22:39.25jaxdahlcan someone give me a /script command to echo the item level of an item?
22:39.35jaxdahlname, link, quality, level, requiredlevel, class, subclass, stacksize, inventorytype, icon = GetItemInfo(itemID or itemlink)
22:39.36Iriel|WorkingThere isn't one
22:39.43Iriel|Workinguntil BC, or are you in BC?
22:39.47jaxdahlfor BC
22:39.55jaxdahli have a bunch of friends in the beta
22:40.02jaxdahlwanted to try that command out
22:41.38jaxdahlsomething like /script _,_,_,itemlevel,_,_,_,_,_,_ = GetItemInfo([Might of Menethil]); echo itemlevel
22:41.43jaxdahli don't know the function to echo though
22:42.38ShadowedChatFrame1:AddMessage()
22:42.39Shadowedworks
22:42.48Shadowedor DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage( "msg" ); if you want to be picky
22:43.13*** join/#wowi-lounge Qzot (n=nickell@sandbox.xerox.com)
22:43.18cogwheelsilly n00b question... what exactly does the item level mean?
22:43.32Shadowedit's how much points they can allocate to item stats
22:44.01ShadowedSo BWL items may have 50-60 ilvl, while naxx has 80-90 ( making numbers up )
22:44.12cogwheelah
22:44.16Corrodiasi wonder why they designed this orc female face with what i can only describe as a lip that looks like a beak
22:44.25jaxdahlBWL is in the 70s and low 80s
22:44.33jaxdahlnaxx has 92s off KT
22:44.39KirovBWL is 68-72 afaik
22:44.53PlorkyeranHah, 0/0/61 is actually a viable druid build now
22:44.53Plorkyeranhttp://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/bc-druid/talents.html?000000000000000000000000000000000000000000050553351531502531351
22:44.56Shadowedi don't remember what the ilvl is for bwl/naxx!
22:45.02PlorkyeranAnd it doesn't completly fail outside of raids, too
22:45.08jaxdahljudgement BP is ilevel 76
22:45.13CorrodiasPlorkyeran: good god.
22:45.21jaxdahlashkandi is 81
22:45.31Kirovso, 68 - 81
22:45.37jaxdahlring of redemption is 92
22:45.54jaxdahlavenger's BP is 88
22:46.20Shadowedso yeah
22:46.27Shadowedbecause of ilvl, naxx items will be good for a while
22:46.30PlorkyeranAnd druids apparently now have 10 yard range in kitty form
22:46.37PlorkyeranTo make up for the fact that thier model is whacked
22:46.44jaxdahlyeah, people will be starting to replace naxx items in upper 60s
22:46.58jaxdahlwill be obsolete after a month or so of lvl 70 raids
22:47.01Kirovthe mail belt that drops off of Nefarian is lvl 83
22:47.11jaxdahlitem levels of lvl 70 epics are 100-115
22:47.18CorrodiasPlorkyeran: what do you mean?
22:47.18Shadowedat least means i wont be seeing people in the gear i had at 60 at 65
22:47.36jaxdahltier 0.5 will be replaced almost right away
22:47.40Shadowedyeah
22:47.54Shadowedanything below naxx, or pre-cthunish will be replaced pretty quickly most likely
22:48.07PlorkyeranRange is calculated from your center to the target's edge
22:48.23PlorkyeranAnd kitties are the longest player models
22:48.42PlorkyeranWhich means that they can be out of range for thier attacks while another player is meleeing them
22:48.48PlorkyeranIt's pretty funny :P
22:48.53Shadowedlol
22:49.13PlorkyeranThey also turn strangly because of it
22:50.19Corrodiasactually, now that you mention it, i've had some weird effects about range, in 1.12.
22:50.32Corrodiasi remember once i could hit them with white damage but i was still out of range for melee
22:50.37Corrodiaser, for special attacks
22:51.52*** part/#wowi-lounge Bhattu (n=deank@18-20-64.66.res.logixcom.net)
22:52.17Corrodiasso where do i post if i want them to fix a really stupid-looking feature on one of the player models? suggestions?
22:52.58Plorkyeran/dev/null?
22:53.11PlorkyeranThey mostly seem to not care when players think things look stupid
22:55.06Corrodiasbut this orc has a beak
22:55.29Iriel|WorkingHm, does that make it a bork?
22:57.07MaldiviaResistance is futile...
22:57.56jaxdahlwill this work? /script local _,_,_,iLevel,_,_,_,_,_,_ = GetItemInfo([X item of Z Power]); message("Item Level: ", iLevel);
23:00.00Maldiviashould work, yes - if the items is in your cache
23:00.17Maldiviaand use .. to concat instead of , :)
23:00.24jaxdahlo yea
23:00.43Iriel|Workingon bc you can do /script local iLevel = select(4, GetItemInfo(.......)); message......
23:01.01Kasowhy do blizzard insist on adding new returns in the middle rather than at the end?
23:01.10MaldiviaIriel: which of the two is most effecient ?
23:01.12Iriel|Workingit's the right place to put it
23:01.13cogwheel~emulate cogwheel
23:01.14purlACTION Look... Lua... 5.1... makes... me... use... even more... elipses...
23:01.29Iriel|Workingand it's not like BC doesn't require major overhauls anyway
23:01.30MaldiviaKaso: next to required level, the place it should be :)
23:01.40Josh_Borkeok, question about wowbench, anyone up for it?
23:01.43Iriel|WorkingMaldivia, I suspect _,_,_,iLevel is faster, since i thas no global call to select
23:01.59Kasotrue, but ive seen it happen in the past as well, they add a new return in the center breaking lots of addons, frustrating
23:02.08*** join/#wowi-lounge quoin (n=quoin@122-49-167-77.ip.adam.com.au)
23:02.12Iriel|Workingthey dont do it to API functions all that often
23:02.23Iriel|Workingthe base UI functions aren't quite so good tho, I'll agree
23:04.43cogwheelI think if i ever go back to doing C/C++ programming, multiple returns will be sorely missed
23:04.50jaxdahlso like this? /script local iLevel = select(4, GetItemInfo(.......)); message("Item Level: "..iLevel);
23:04.58cogwheelIt just seems silly to pass *output* parameters in the argument list
23:05.03jaxdahlcogwheel, multiple return = array
23:05.13Maldiviajax: yeah, or even: message("Item level: " .. select(4, GetItemInfo(.......))
23:05.13jaxdahlreturn a reference to the array
23:05.14cogwheeljaxdahl: not when they're different data types
23:05.20jaxdahlstruct then?
23:05.25cogwheelyeah, but still
23:05.45jaxdahlor even an array of references
23:05.53jaxdahlbut clunky but yea
23:06.41cogwheelyeah, i was thinking about it on a conceptual level as opposed to functionality
23:06.58Meryohh enemy castbar is cool
23:07.06jaxdahlMery, built in huh?
23:07.09Meryya
23:07.14jaxdahlscreenshot plz
23:07.43Merygotta finc a mob again this one just appered (like a sandworm in dune) lol
23:08.31Iriel|Workingmultiple return is not really an array though
23:08.44Iriel|Workingit's a series of values on the stack, it has no 'container' and thus no use outside of the function it happens in
23:08.58PlorkyeranI've found the secret to not hating C after not using it for a while is to do something in assembly first
23:09.00*** join/#wowi-lounge Tuller (n=chatzill@c-68-57-185-39.hsd1.va.comcast.net)
23:09.16PlorkyeranAfter that just being able to do a function call in one line of code is nice
23:10.13Iriel|WorkingOh, my .....'s were just placeholders for me being lazy
23:10.18Iriel|WorkingIn the earlier code
23:10.32[floyd]Plorkyeran: It all fails, when you do HLA ;P
23:10.46Iriel|WorkingIf I use more than 3 dots i'm just eliding an otherwise boring piece of code
23:11.07*** join/#wowi-lounge Shabador (i=Shabador@ti400720a080-5027.bb.online.no)
23:12.41jaxdahlmore slouken posting
23:12.42jaxdahlhttp://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15401595&pageNo=33&sid=1#658
23:13.06jaxdahlhasRange = SpellHasRange(spell)
23:13.06jaxdahlresult = IsSpellInRange(spell, unit) - result is nil for no valid target, 0 for out of range, 1 for in range
23:13.07jaxdahlwhoooo
23:13.12Plorkyeranooh
23:13.35Iriel|Workingthat takes pet spells too, for you hunters/warlocks/BC mages
23:17.22Meryhttp://img169.imageshack.us/img169/9018/untitled1qy4.gif sorry, but saving as jpg didn't work somehow...
23:19.13jaxdahlfriend still says he's getting an error doing this: /script message("Item level: " .. select(4, GetItemInfo(.......))
23:19.19jaxdahlrepalced .... with an appropriate item
23:19.23cogwheelwoot! * You no longer need to strip special codes from item links before passing them to item information functions.
23:19.29jaxdahlhe isn't tellin  me the the specific error
23:19.45Tullercogwheel: hurray :)
23:19.51Maldiviahmm, is there a new interface kit ?
23:19.53jaxdahlhe's sending me a SS
23:20.00wereHamsterwhat are 'special codes' ?
23:20.31Josh_Borkeoh hey wereHamster.  do you plan to re-do HealSync?
23:20.36TullerwereHamster: I'm guessing it means we don't have to strip out the color and extra link information from things like GetContainerItemLink
23:20.37cogwheelwereHamster: it means you can do things like     GetItemInfo(GetMerchantItemLink(3))
23:20.47Maldiviaresult = IsSpellInRange(spell, unit) - result is nil for no valid target, 0 for out of range, 1 for in range  !!!!
23:21.03cogwheelinstead of passing it through a function to extract the item id or simple item string
23:21.23MeryMaldivia: the interface kit extracts the interface of the installation the launcher points to (probably a registy key) try renaming the folders (before you start the interface kist) then rename back after you are done (just in cast that is your problem)
23:21.35jaxdahlhttp://www.hitpoints.org/wow_BC_Beta/Screenshots/error.jpg
23:21.56MaldiviaMery: the interface kit doesn't work with the BC beta, since the data folder has been reconstructed
23:22.22Maldiviajax, try: /script message("Item level: " .. select(4, GetItemInfo("[My Item]"))
23:22.30Maldiviajax: ie, " around it
23:22.34jaxdahlok
23:22.37cogwheeljaxdahl: looks like you missed a quote
23:23.08Meryoh I see what you mean Maldivia :/
23:23.09cogwheelitem links are just strings... you have to treat them as such ;)
23:23.21jaxdahlok gotcha
23:23.40jaxdahlstill the same error
23:23.58cogwheelthen you didn't put the quote in... or it would give you a different error
23:24.39jaxdahlanother ) at the end i think
23:24.51jaxdahlhad 2 )), instead of 3 )))
23:25.20wereHamsterJosh_Borke, how re-do HealSync?
23:26.21Josh_Borkewith the new events/functions in TBC.  we probably won't need coms to get all the information we need
23:28.30jaxdahlhttp://www.hitpoints.org/wow_BC_Beta/Screenshots/error2.jpg
23:28.50wereHamsterI'm not playing WoW anymore and not working on my addon either
23:29.11Josh_Borkeah, alright :)
23:29.28cogwheeljaxdahl: read the error message... see it says "attempt to concatenate a nil value?"
23:29.51jaxdahlyea
23:29.55jaxdahlthat means the function is failing?
23:29.58cogwheelthat means either "Item level" or select(.......) is returning nil (i'll leave it to you to figure out which one ;) )
23:30.05jaxdahlselect
23:30.22Iriel|Workingtry: /script message("Item level: " .. tostring((select(4, GetItemInfo("[My Item]"))));
23:30.23Shadowednow to start the process of learning how to do fubar plugins!
23:30.48*** join/#wowi-lounge Rophy (n=Miranda@61-225-15-123.dynamic.hinet.net)
23:31.16jaxdahlheading home
23:31.20jaxdahli'll let you know how it goes
23:31.43cogwheeloops... me too (heading home)
23:31.43*** part/#wowi-lounge cogwheel (n=chatzill@intra.kistlerwine.com)
23:32.11jaxdahlneed to add one more )
23:32.12jaxdahlheh
23:33.18jaxdahlItemlevel: nil
23:36.25Shadowedsooo anyone devloped FuBar plugins before!
23:37.47Merytake a look at FuBar_NavigatorFu - doesn't look to hard (but I have never written one)
23:38.35Shadowedhrm
23:38.42Shadowedi can't seem to find it on wowinterface :(
23:40.06MaldiviaI feel offended by the Expansion credits...
23:40.21Shadowed?
23:40.24Xueriano.0
23:40.33MaldiviaUnder special thanks
23:40.38Maldivia"Every gnome I've every killed"... hmpf...
23:40.39Josh_Borkeanyone who can commit to wowbench?
23:40.51Maldivia-y
23:42.10Merywww.wowace.com/files
23:43.03Shadowedi see
23:43.04Shadowedthanks
23:54.50*** join/#wowi-lounge Attacus (n=mike@bas3-sherbrooke40-1177838723.dsl.bell.ca)
23:55.56AttacusSo Im really new to UI modding. I want to make a simple addon that will play a sound everytime something is said in /s... Where should I look for info about doing something like this?
23:59.18Kasohttp://www.wowwiki.com/UI_Beginners_Guide , http://www.wowwiki.com/API_PlaySound , http://www.wowwiki.com/Events/C - Chat_msg_say
23:59.43Kasothat oughter get you started

Generated by irclog2html.pl by Jeff Waugh - find it at freshmeat.net! Modified by Tim Riker to work with blootbot logs, split per channel, etc.