| 00:00.16 | Shadowed | i'll never submit to ace |
| 00:00.19 | ckknight | we want you, Kirkburn |
| 00:00.21 | ckknight | we need you. |
| 00:00.33 | Kirkburn | eek |
| 00:00.36 | ckknight | Shadowed, but maybe submitting is the greatest feeling we can have. |
| 00:00.50 | Shadowed | NEVEr |
| 00:01.03 | ckknight | You can either not believe in it and be crushed |
| 00:01.06 | ckknight | or just use it |
| 00:01.09 | ckknight | and be crushed |
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| 00:01.53 | Shadowed | ace is the tool of the devil |
| 00:02.03 | ckknight | how so? |
| 00:02.17 | Shadowed | speaking of ace, have to go beat thehorde guild ace. brb :p |
| 00:03.44 | Kirkburn | ckknight, YOU use it - is that not proof enough? |
| 00:03.57 | Shadowed | lol |
| 00:04.26 | ckknight | I also wrote a significant chunk of the core Ace2 libs. |
| 00:04.27 | ckknight | :-P |
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| 00:07.37 | ckknight | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:07.38 | ckknight | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:08.22 | Corrodias | 4 hunters in our ZG raid, oh noes |
| 00:08.42 | Corrodias | only 2 mages & 2 priests & 2 druids. could be interesting. |
| 00:14.09 | Mikk | horde or alliance? |
| 00:14.34 | Kirkburn | And 10 paladins? |
| 00:14.56 | Mikk | Put pallies on healing. Put priests n druids on dps. |
| 00:15.02 | Mikk | Problem solved =) |
| 00:15.08 | Kirkburn | Mages on tanking? |
| 00:15.24 | Mikk | Hehe |
| 00:15.29 | Mikk | Mages tank lots in zg anyway =) |
| 00:16.05 | Mikk | Flamestrike, IAE, IAE, Frost nova... ohshitohshitthey'restillalive *rip* |
| 00:16.12 | Kirkburn | :P |
| 00:17.04 | Corrodias | lol |
| 00:18.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | whoa, Gazmik's in here? :O |
| 00:20.25 | Corrodias | if you listen to our vent, we all sound like a bunch of hicks & swedes |
| 00:22.00 | Tain | My guild vent used to be awesome, the worse we played the more our Australian guild leader would curse everyone out. |
| 00:22.35 | Tain | We'd start taking bets on how many more wipes until he flipped out. |
| 00:22.40 | Tain | And who's Gazmik? |
| 00:23.06 | Cairenn | Fizzwidget |
| 00:23.18 | Tain | Oooh |
| 00:23.21 | Cairenn | yeah |
| 00:23.22 | norgs | GAZMIK! WHO'S GAZMIK! |
| 00:23.36 | Mikk | He's this way cool guy. Who the heck are you? |
| 00:23.38 | Mikk | ;) |
| 00:23.39 | Corrodias | either my router sucks or my university's network/ISP sucks |
| 00:23.53 | Cairenn | as in: http://www.wowinterface.com/list.php?skinnerid=15625 |
| 00:23.58 | Corrodias | if i have shoutcast streaming in, i get huge WoW lag, even though a speed test shows i have plenty of bandwidth |
| 00:24.08 | Tain | Hey I never expect to ever see someone say, "Tain's here?" without following it with, "Call security." |
| 00:24.17 | Cairenn | lol |
| 00:24.19 | Tain | Yes I love that Fizzwidgy stuff. |
| 00:24.24 | norgs | Gazmik's got what you need! That's who Gazmik is :) |
| 00:24.28 | Beladona | Corrodias: it may not be connection lag |
| 00:24.34 | Beladona | most ilkely DX lag |
| 00:24.42 | Gazmik | hehe, glad I could help! |
| 00:25.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | Your addons saved my family from being mauled by a pack of ravenous wolves |
| 00:25.15 | Kirkburn | He's so Fizzy! |
| 00:26.13 | Tain | That sounds like it could be a sitcom |
| 00:26.13 | Mikk | Corrodias: Define speed test. One of those thingies that only sends a couple packets, does magic math on them, and guesses what your bandwidth is? |
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| 00:26.23 | Mikk | Those will always be waaaaay wrong if there's traffic shapers involved |
| 00:26.33 | Mikk | (In either direction) |
| 00:26.44 | Corrodias | one of the dslreports tests, location 2 |
| 00:28.02 | Corrodias | and i know from experience that there ought to be PLENTY of bandwidth for a little music & WoW |
| 00:28.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | i always just use speakeasy's speedtest |
| 00:28.50 | Mikk | Corrodias: You get plenty speed when downloading stuff, then? |
| 00:28.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.speakeasy.net/speedtest/ |
| 00:29.44 | Kirkburn | lol, Half Life 2 hates my Cteative Vista drivers (yup, I almost fell off my chair when that happened) |
| 00:29.51 | Kirkburn | *creative |
| 00:30.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh god |
| 00:30.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | creative |
| 00:30.09 | Mr_Rabies2 | vista |
| 00:30.16 | Corrodias | yes, and when uploading |
| 00:30.33 | Corrodias | i can usually play shoutcast music & wow together fine |
| 00:30.38 | Corrodias | something's having an "issue" |
| 00:30.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | try just restarting your pc maybe |
| 00:30.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | there was a bug a while back |
| 00:31.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | that if your uptime was over a month on some hardware setups |
| 00:31.11 | Mikk | Sounds like it's one of two things then: You have a bit of packet loss. This will make WoW seem jumpy and will make downloads/uploads wobble up and down in speed (but may still produce so-so overall speeds) |
| 00:31.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | AoE effects wouldn't disappear |
| 00:31.24 | Mikk | OR your network card is shit. |
| 00:31.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | so silithus would have hundreds of clouds where the elementals were |
| 00:31.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | still spinning away |
| 00:32.12 | Mikk | I've seen so many strange effects caused by network cards suddenly deciding that anything with a given bit pattern needs to be dropped on the floor. |
| 00:32.23 | Mikk | Or mangled beyond recognition on the way out. |
| 00:32.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah |
| 00:33.02 | Corrodias | and now the problem is over! |
| 00:33.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | what'd you do? |
| 00:33.09 | Corrodias | the hiccup has apparently ended >_> |
| 00:33.12 | Corrodias | absolutely nothing |
| 00:33.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | weird |
| 00:33.29 | Mikk | Of course, the most common explanation for a network connection being fine and suddenly not is a pair of ports fudging up autoneg - one runs in full duplex, one in half. |
| 00:33.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | i blame warden |
| 00:33.41 | Corrodias | probably just somebody else in my building downloading something too fast, or a lot of people |
| 00:33.48 | Mikk | The fun thing with those kinds of fudgeups is that generally a single transfer in one direction will be fast |
| 00:33.55 | Mikk | But if you try to do many things at once, it breaks horribly |
| 00:34.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh man, i had my NIC set to 100 Mbit instead of autodetect and went to a 10 Mbit network |
| 00:34.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | bad things happened |
| 00:34.25 | Mikk | Well, that won't work at all :-P |
| 00:34.26 | Tain | I reactivated my City of Heroes/Villians account. |
| 00:34.37 | Mikk | The "funky" behavior comes from a mismatch of full vs half duplex |
| 00:34.43 | Mikk | Which "sort of" works |
| 00:35.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | it drove me insane because i couldn't find out why my connection wasn't working on the network in my dorm |
| 00:35.14 | Corrodias | hah, amusing |
| 00:35.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | i thought i like broke my NIC on the way there or something |
| 00:35.22 | Mikk | If it's your NIC to the nearest switch/router port, just unplugging the cable and plugging back in will kick up a new autoneg, which might do the right thing the next time around. |
| 00:35.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | then i was like |
| 00:35.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | lemme see what's in the NIC's hardware settings |
| 00:35.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | OH, YOU SONOFABITCH |
| 00:36.02 | Mikk | Generally, you should never lock your NIC speed, because that disables autoneg. |
| 00:36.28 | Tain | See I come from a world where auto negotiate was buggy as hell in it's initial implementations. |
| 00:36.29 | Kirkburn | Woah, Family Guy is rather more adult-oriented these days, isn't it |
| 00:36.32 | Mikk | The port in the other end will be able to detect the SPEED correctly (10 vs 100) but not the duplex mode. All equipment I've seen will assume half duplex in that case. |
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| 00:36.49 | Tain | So I'm so driven towards setting the speed myself because we used to HAVE to do that. |
| 00:36.49 | Mikk | So if you lock your NIC to 100Mbps/full duplex, the other port will go 100Mbps/half duplex, and life will suck. |
| 00:37.12 | Mikk | Tain: It's fine if you set it to half duplex, or if you force both ports to whatever you want, of course =) |
| 00:37.12 | Corrodias | that's sad. |
| 00:37.22 | Tain | It has to be set right of course. |
| 00:37.35 | Mikk | Tain: Didya use to work with early 3com gear by any chance? =) |
| 00:37.49 | Tain | But it used to be (and we're going back 5-7 years now) that auto would cause problems. |
| 00:37.52 | abug1 | family guy scars children for life |
| 00:37.56 | Mikk | Their 100Mbps NICs were notories for failing to autoneg with 3com hubs :-P |
| 00:38.00 | Mikk | notorious* |
| 00:38.11 | Mikk | They'd autoneg fine with anything else. But not 3com hubs =) |
| 00:38.58 | Tain | We had a mix of things, it was HP desktops and they were switching NICs every few models. |
| 00:39.14 | cladhaire | Mikk: Autoneg is nasty with cisco as well. |
| 00:39.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | my old switch used to take like 30 secs to autoneg |
| 00:39.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | made it a pain on startup cause mirc would beep until autoneg happened |
| 00:39.34 | Mikk | cladhaire: true dat. |
| 00:39.41 | cladhaire | Our server was stuck with a 10b half/full mismatch |
| 00:39.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | or something did, it took forever on my old connection setup |
| 00:39.46 | Mikk | haha yay |
| 00:39.49 | cladhaire | 30% packet loss, under development load |
| 00:39.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | hrm |
| 00:40.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | i bet that's what was wrong with my dorm |
| 00:40.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | we had a T1, but everyone only got speeds of 1-2k on EVERYTHING |
| 00:40.14 | Kaso | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=51525290 : interesting question |
| 00:40.26 | Mikk | i never worked a lot with cisco stuff. can't say i feel like i've missed out on a lot :-P |
| 00:40.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | and wow latency occasionally jumped up to 30,000ms and stuff |
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| 00:40.45 | Tain | Heroes is coming on. I saw the premiere last week and didn't hate it. |
| 00:41.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | haha Kaso |
| 00:41.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's like DIVIDE BY ZERO, SERVER = NO |
| 00:41.38 | Kaso | ha |
| 00:41.41 | Beladona | last week? |
| 00:41.53 | Beladona | there have been 2 episodes already |
| 00:41.58 | Beladona | this is 3 I think |
| 00:42.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | what's Heroes? |
| 00:42.05 | Tain | Well.. uh.. I saw one episode |
| 00:42.10 | cladhaire | Oh shit, heros is on tonight isn't it. |
| 00:42.16 | Mikk | at last cisco has lost enough of their market leadership that people have stopped asking me if i'm cisco certified with I'm trying to tout competiting gear on them >.< |
| 00:42.21 | cladhaire | hope its taping |
| 00:42.29 | Beladona | http://www.heroestheseries.com/ |
| 00:42.32 | Tain | I still don't have my pvr set up. |
| 00:42.35 | cladhaire | Mikk: hehe that's hilarious |
| 00:42.51 | cladhaire | ReplayTV was da bomb.. too bad they.. like have no money and they're dead now. |
| 00:42.53 | Beladona | I am dvr'ing it, but gonna watch it too |
| 00:43.09 | Tain | That's what I have, clad |
| 00:43.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | this sudden fascination with superheroes and magic in movies and series makes me sad |
| 00:43.20 | Tain | 5x series ReplayTV. |
| 00:43.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | after spiderman, superheroes |
| 00:43.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | after harry potter, magic |
| 00:43.35 | cladhaire | Tain: I have a 4x series before they disabled all the fun features =) |
| 00:44.07 | Tain | I almost bought a 4 (it was right when the 5s came out) but I liked the stuff they added. |
| 00:44.10 | Tain | LIke ethernet. :) |
| 00:44.24 | cladhaire | I had externet. |
| 00:44.25 | cladhaire | hrm |
| 00:44.27 | Tain | But I used to pull stuff off of it with DVArchive to DVD all the time. |
| 00:44.28 | cladhaire | what model do I have? =) |
| 00:44.29 | cladhaire | 5400 maybe |
| 00:44.40 | cladhaire | wtf is externet.. lol |
| 00:44.50 | Beladona | Mr_Rabies2: why is fantasy and imagination ever a bad thing? |
| 00:44.53 | cladhaire | I had every single aired episode of Charmed at one point. |
| 00:44.59 | Beladona | it often drives innovation |
| 00:45.01 | Tain | Deal or no Deal is on. I hate the host. |
| 00:45.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's not that fantasy and imagination are a bad thing |
| 00:45.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's just the trend |
| 00:45.17 | Beladona | well |
| 00:45.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | like for a while it was vampires and apocalypse by meteor |
| 00:45.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | and for a while, volcano movies |
| 00:45.29 | abug1 | omg x-files reruns come on at 12:00 |
| 00:45.30 | Beladona | there are trends, and there are 'OMG STOP IT ALREADY" |
| 00:45.37 | Beladona | i.e. reality shows |
| 00:45.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | the superhero reality show made me lol |
| 00:45.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | with stan lee |
| 00:46.03 | Beladona | yeah that was just idiotic |
| 00:46.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | the guy that one was a little more than insane |
| 00:46.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | won* |
| 00:46.47 | Tain | hahah that show was awesome until the end |
| 00:46.58 | Tain | They go rid of the fun people |
| 00:47.28 | Tain | I kinda had a little crush on Creature |
| 00:47.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://youtube.com/watch?v=Q-hilSfpCrU |
| 00:48.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | the crazy guy with the blue overmade suit won |
| 00:48.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | feedback |
| 00:50.05 | Corrodias | 3 mages, 3 hunters, and 4 rogues. we gots the dps. |
| 00:51.32 | abug1 | throw a moonkin in the hunter group for arcane shot |
| 00:53.28 | Tain | Oh and Studio 60 tonight, that seemed kind of funny too |
| 00:54.17 | Corrodias | too bad we're too short on healers to send the other druid to moonkin, even if he has it |
| 00:55.44 | Corrodias | ah, he isn't |
| 00:55.47 | Corrodias | *doesn't |
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| 01:13.10 | Kirkburn | Ooh, interesting article on three Vista features that didn't make the RTM - http://shellrevealed.com/blogs/shellblog/archive/2006/10/09/Features-that-didn_2700_t-make-the-cut.aspx |
| 01:13.27 | Shadowed | Vista? you microsoft whore |
| 01:13.40 | Kirkburn | Read it :) |
| 01:13.51 | Shadowed | have to win WSG first! |
| 01:14.25 | Kirkburn | Well I recommend you read it after then! :P |
| 01:15.07 | Kirkburn | If only Mimesweeper had made it ... |
| 01:15.44 | Mikk | Are they changing to the we-pwnzor-joor-harddrive-via-teh-intarweb-and-everyone-has-to-remove-all-firewalls file system yet? |
| 01:16.41 | Kirkburn | um |
| 01:16.41 | Kirkburn | uuummm |
| 01:16.56 | Kirkburn | "Traps are now on a 30 sec cooldown, but can be used in combat (you no longer need to feign/trap). " |
| 01:17.24 | cladhaire | ooh |
| 01:17.24 | cladhaire | nice |
| 01:17.37 | Kirkburn | Lots of other stuff too: http://www.wowinsider.com/2006/10/09/more-hunter-changes-revealed/ |
| 01:18.07 | Shadowed | i though wowinsider got closed |
| 01:18.43 | Corrodias | i have lots of reading to do, looks like |
| 01:20.38 | Kirkburn | Got closed??? |
| 01:20.41 | Kirkburn | Er, no |
| 01:20.55 | Shadowed | though the TBC alpha account they had got found and closed |
| 01:21.24 | Kirkburn | That's fair enough |
| 01:21.58 | Kirkburn | Sure you mean WoWInsider though? It's a blog, part of the Joystiq network |
| 01:22.09 | Shadowed | no i dont :p |
| 01:22.13 | Shadowed | er no i'm not |
| 01:22.41 | Kirkburn | You mean http://wowexposed.de/? |
| 01:23.10 | Shadowed | yeah |
| 01:23.10 | Shadowed | that |
| 01:24.37 | Kirkburn | Anyways, to bed! G'night! |
| 01:25.44 | Corrodias | hmm |
| 01:26.08 | Corrodias | about 10 snakes plus other mobs just jumped us out of nowhere |
| 01:26.17 | Corrodias | possibly aggrod through a wall or something |
| 01:26.20 | GremWarsong | omg snakes on a plane! |
| 01:26.41 | GremWarsong | there are some motherfuckin snakes in our motherfuckin raid |
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| 02:33.22 | AnduinLothar | i lvoe agroign things by casting a buff on the hunters when the raid leader is trying to sneek towards the enemy |
| 02:34.16 | Shadowed | we let our hunters tank trash |
| 02:35.01 | Shadowed | and then yell at them when they die or lose aggro |
| 02:35.40 | AnduinLothar | :'( my server just got owned |
| 02:36.23 | AnduinLothar | wtf there's a "Blackwing Lair" server? |
| 02:36.37 | Shadowed | yeah |
| 02:36.46 | Shadowed | BG10, released around 4 months ago |
| 02:36.53 | AnduinLothar | and "Onyxia" |
| 02:37.05 | Shadowed | yeah |
| 02:37.10 | Shadowed | Bg10, released around 4 months ag :p |
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| 02:42.07 | MentalPower | Bg10? |
| 02:42.38 | GremWarsong | I got a 15 min warning for an emergency shutdown |
| 02:42.45 | End | I didn't get any warning! |
| 02:42.49 | GremWarsong | 2 seconds later it said, "Shutting down in 5 seconds" |
| 02:42.55 | GremWarsong | 1 second later I got disconnected |
| 02:43.06 | End | All I got was "Emergency realm shutdown" |
| 02:43.10 | End | then I got disconnected |
| 02:43.28 | End | a lot of servers just went down it looks like |
| 02:43.28 | GremWarsong | and the wow site is like, offline |
| 02:48.34 | Shadowed | MentalPower: bg10 is battlegroup 10, it's a group of servers who play eachother in cross-server battlegrounds |
| 02:49.07 | MentalPower | right |
| 02:49.10 | MentalPower | thanks |
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| 03:25.51 | guest829 | hello |
| 03:25.59 | guest829 | I need help using WPE, can anyone assist? |
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| 03:27.59 | Cairenn | WPE? |
| 03:28.08 | malreth | WIPE! |
| 03:28.13 | malreth | Die safely. |
| 03:28.34 | malreth | Do we have a DI? |
| 03:28.34 | Cairenn | hey malreth :) |
| 03:28.35 | malreth | hi hi~~~~ |
| 03:28.45 | guest829 | does anyone know WPE tho? |
| 03:28.46 | Shadowed | no ss, run back guys |
| 03:28.48 | guest829 | I need help with it |
| 03:28.54 | Cairenn | what is WPE? |
| 03:29.06 | guest829 | Its a WOW hack program using Hexadecimals |
| 03:29.10 | Shadowed | ..... |
| 03:29.15 | malreth | kick in 3... |
| 03:29.19 | Shadowed | bwahahahaaaahahaaaahahahaqhaha |
| 03:29.20 | Cairenn | then no, no one in here will help you, sorry |
| 03:29.20 | malreth | 2... |
| 03:29.22 | Shadowed | ahahahahaahaaaha |
| 03:29.23 | malreth | 1... |
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| 03:29.35 | Shadowed | that made my night |
| 03:29.42 | Cairenn | I didn't have to kick, he got the clue |
| 03:29.46 | Cairenn | amazing |
| 03:29.48 | malreth | that was funny |
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| 03:33.58 | Shadowed | now to start working out how to make fubar and titan panel plugins |
| 03:37.19 | Cairenn | Shadowed: sec, trying to find you a link |
| 03:37.41 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info4984-FuBarPlugin-2.0.html |
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| 03:40.11 | Shadowed | Fancy, thanks cair |
| 03:40.27 | Cairenn | welcome |
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| 03:45.18 | Qzot | Later, peoples. |
| 04:08.02 | Beladona | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15401595&sid=1&pageNo=7#133 |
| 04:08.22 | Beladona | poing! |
| 04:09.13 | Beladona | wake up you code monkeys! |
| 04:12.56 | End | we are already aware of the changes |
| 04:13.15 | Beladona | um |
| 04:13.17 | Cairenn | he just editted |
| 04:13.20 | Beladona | strsplit, strjoin |
| 04:13.22 | Beladona | ??? |
| 04:13.23 | End | oh |
| 04:13.29 | End | I did notice those |
| 04:13.33 | Beladona | oh and strconcat |
| 04:13.37 | Shadowed | Is there a specific event thats *only* fired on first login and not on login/reloadui/zoning/exitingzone? |
| 04:13.43 | End | they are useful |
| 04:14.45 | Shadowed | only ones i can find fire on login and reloadui, but not only login :/ |
| 04:14.58 | Beladona | PLAYER_LOGIN but that does fire during a reloadui |
| 04:15.07 | Shadowed | yeah |
| 04:15.26 | Shadowed | trying to add a timer for how long you've been logged in, but I don't want it to reset on reloadui :/ |
| 04:15.31 | Beladona | what about SPELLS_CHANGED |
| 04:15.41 | Beladona | nm |
| 04:15.49 | Shadowed | actually, i should look at the XP per an hour mods work |
| 04:16.13 | Shadowed | ~cair search xp per hour |
| 04:16.22 | Shadowed | doesn't work :( |
| 04:16.48 | Beladona | it uses timestamps I thought |
| 04:16.59 | Beladona | there isn't an event that only fires once |
| 04:16.59 | Shadowed | maybe, i've never checked one of them before |
| 04:17.08 | Beladona | why do you want to only do something once, but not on reloadui? |
| 04:17.34 | Shadowed | I am highly disappointed with your ~cair search feature, where do i submit a complaint |
| 04:17.49 | Shadowed | because it woldn't be accurate if it reset on reloadui! |
| 04:18.13 | Shadowed | i'll probably just end up using the one that works on login/reloadui |
| 04:18.26 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4607 |
| 04:18.28 | Cairenn | :p |
| 04:18.34 | Shadowed | thanks :p |
| 04:18.52 | Shadowed | thats the same one i just found/downloaded! |
| 04:19.09 | Cairenn | neat, huh? |
| 04:19.17 | Shadowed | yeah :p |
| 04:20.01 | Beladona | ~cair, has a cooldown, and now queries the server for a valid searchid before searching. So use sparingly |
| 04:20.13 | Beladona | it also cannot be used while in combat |
| 04:20.41 | Shadowed | haha |
| 04:20.56 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:20.59 | Cairenn | reduced to a bot |
| 04:22.14 | Shadowed | hee |
| 04:22.16 | Shadowed | hehe* |
| 04:22.50 | Shadowed | They just Initialize which is an ace function |
| 04:23.04 | Shadowed | which i bet uses variables_loaded1 |
| 04:29.11 | Beladona | they have to use some kind of flag to notify the addon not to update if it doesn't need it |
| 04:29.38 | Beladona | most likely when they write the actual data |
| 04:29.44 | Beladona | there has to be a timestamp there |
| 04:29.50 | Beladona | or something similar |
| 04:30.32 | Shadowed | OnInitialize |
| 04:31.07 | Shadowed | which apparently is called on ADDON_LOADED, so it's just as accurate as using reloadui |
| 04:32.06 | Beladona | heading to bed, good luck with your research =) |
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| 05:40.17 | Industrial | Anyone here use gatherer? |
| 05:40.18 | Industrial | Wanna share your database? |
| 05:40.19 | Industrial | =P |
| 05:40.33 | Industrial | tom.wieland@gmail.com \o/ |
| 05:42.56 | Shadowed | not that hard to fill out an area in a few hours |
| 05:47.53 | Industrial | norgs: not like this channel is watched by blizzard (or is it?) |
| 05:48.14 | Industrial | and even then they know squat about me :P |
| 05:48.20 | Shadowed | norgs is the author of gatherer if i remember right |
| 05:48.24 | Industrial | I know |
| 05:48.34 | Shadowed | he doesn't like you sending databases :p |
| 05:49.26 | Industrial | are all the nodes the same on every server? |
| 05:50.21 | Shadowed | yeah |
| 05:50.36 | Industrial | good good, *evil smirk* |
| 05:52.39 | Cairenn | Industrial: Blizz reps are some times in here, and even if they aren't, I am |
| 05:52.58 | norgs | nobody really cares though |
| 05:53.11 | Cairenn | no, nobody really cares |
| 05:54.38 | Industrial | but if you do something like host a website with content on it blizzard will fcuk you up? meh :P |
| 05:54.56 | norgs | not really that either |
| 05:54.59 | Industrial | its not even thair data - just statistics |
| 05:55.12 | norgs | if you host unreleased content, they get a bit upset |
| 05:55.19 | Industrial | yah ok |
| 05:55.45 | norgs | i've been waiting for them to slap down curse, but apparently they don't look like they're gonna do anything |
| 05:56.11 | FISKER_Q | they can't "slap down" curse |
| 05:56.11 | Cairenn|sleep | night guys |
| 05:56.32 | Cairenn|sleep | oh yes they could, CG has a shit load of unreleased content on the site |
| 05:56.50 | FISKER_Q | oh no they could as the unreleased content is not pictures and movies and such |
| 05:57.01 | FISKER_Q | couldn't* |
| 05:57.34 | norgs | oh yes they could, because it was all gathered via reverse engineering proprietary data files |
| 05:57.59 | norgs | blizzard *could* go all digital-millenium on their respective asses |
| 05:58.33 | FISKER_Q | well they are only going DMCA on their asses when they host pictures then |
| 05:58.52 | zenzelezz | so far |
| 05:59.21 | norgs | sending out a cease-and-desist isn't even doing that. |
| 05:59.54 | norgs | it's just a nice way of saying, "tut-tut... stop doing that, or we will actually slap you down" |
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| 06:06.00 | malreth | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=32276886&postId=321245744&sid=1#10 |
| 06:14.55 | malreth | meh... today's forum trolls just weren't as insipiring as the ones from the weekend were |
| 06:15.03 | malreth | i'm rather dissapointed |
| 06:15.42 | malreth | i miss bigredbrent now... :( |
| 06:23.31 | Shadowed | hmm |
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| 06:43.37 | Corrodias | too bad malreth left. i just put up my own post on the thread |
| 06:43.54 | Corrodias | in classic troll fashion, attacking a person's words without reading any of the thread |
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| 06:57.48 | Corrodias | sigh. i don't know enough about the mechanics of praid to make the "simulation" feature work |
| 06:59.03 | zenzelezz | what does/did that do? |
| 06:59.29 | Corrodias | simulated a 20-man raid so you could set up your options |
| 06:59.50 | Corrodias | cladhaire has been very busy, lately, and hasn't readded some of the old features... |
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| 07:02.54 | Corrodias | can't test the other stuff very well if simulate isn't working |
| 07:07.53 | FISKER_Q | lololol |
| 07:07.58 | FISKER_Q | This is funny shit |
| 07:08.07 | FISKER_Q | I have 3 emails, gmail, my own and my work |
| 07:08.25 | FISKER_Q | So my gmail had spam/worm mails from me, and i almost though i had a worm or virus |
| 07:08.42 | FISKER_Q | then i go into the email and see it's the guys at work who screwed up and got infected :D |
| 07:09.36 | Corrodias | hah. |
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| 07:10.26 | FISKER_Q | i didn't know looking through the junk e-mail filters could be so fun :P |
| 07:18.01 | Corrodias | i don't see what's wrong with this thing |
| 07:20.54 | Corrodias | it matches the function used by version 0.5 (the last one that seemed to have this feature active) |
| 07:31.19 | Corrodias | it works back in the version just before the ace2 & trunk merge, whatever that means |
| 07:35.27 | zenzelezz | perhaps there was a reason it was removed at the moment then :) |
| 07:46.41 | Corrodias | yes: it is going to take some major tweaking to make it work, and i don't know enough about praid to do it |
| 07:47.09 | Corrodias | cladhaire might have an easier time of it (he seems to think it's very easy), but he apparently has little time to work on it. |
| 07:47.46 | Corrodias | he suggested i simply add a couple of lines to a certain part, but that references a function he removed, and getting that function back in doesn't entirely fix it because some other structure has changed in the meantime. it's just not something i can do myself. |
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| 08:31.19 | Cairenn|sleep | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=32337474&sid=1 |
| 08:36.00 | zenzelezz | browsing the UI & macros forums in your sleep? Cairenn's having nightmares :-o |
| 08:36.12 | Cairenn|sleep | Cairenn couldn't sleep |
| 08:36.37 | [Cu]Werik | Be pro, try it again:) |
| 08:36.42 | [Cu]Werik | Morning |
| 08:36.43 | Kirov | Cairenn doesn't sleep, ever. |
| 08:36.49 | Cairenn|sleep | morning [Cu]Werik |
| 08:36.53 | Kirov | the |sleep is just to fool people in to thinking she's not watching |
| 08:37.01 | Cairenn|sleep | Kirov: I try to |
| 08:37.08 | Cairenn|sleep | (sleep, that is) |
| 08:38.46 | [Cu]Werik | Bf2142 time :) |
| 08:39.09 | zenzelezz | 2142? Is that out already? |
| 08:39.22 | [Cu]Werik | demo |
| 08:39.42 | zenzelezz | 1942 was brilliant, but anything past that didn't interest me |
| 08:41.46 | zenzelezz | also disappointed in how TF2 won't be a "serious" game anymore... now I'm pinning my hopes on OFP2 =) |
| 08:42.35 | Elkano | ofp2 or aa? |
| 08:42.46 | zenzelezz | OFP2 |
| 08:42.53 | Elkano | and TF2 still looks fun |
| 08:43.07 | zenzelezz | fun, yes, but I wanted a serious game like it was set to be at first |
| 08:43.23 | zenzelezz | looking forward to AA though |
| 08:43.28 | Elkano | well, I still think aa will be better than ofp2... proof me wrong... |
| 08:43.36 | [Cu]Werik | why does the gfx matters? you will pull it down to the mud anyway |
| 08:43.49 | zenzelezz | who said anything about graphics? |
| 08:44.23 | zenzelezz | and Elkano, this is all personal opinion, you can't prove anyone wrong :) |
| 08:45.10 | Elkano | well, on he other hand I haven't seen that much from ofp2... but ofp was fun so aa will most likely be, too |
| 08:45.20 | zenzelezz | aye |
| 08:46.06 | zenzelezz | somehow OFP got me really immersed... can't even begin to think of how many times I sat leaning around my monitor trying to get a better view of things |
| 08:46.18 | zenzelezz | I should replay it soon |
| 08:49.03 | Elkano | we had been playing CTI, a mod for ofp where two teams are trying to capture a whole island for themselves before the other team does (or mor precise to simply wipe all traces of the other team). As in eg Natzral Selection or HL²:Empires one player is the commander that can playe factories and such. really fun :) but takes hours |
| 08:49.40 | zenzelezz | hehe |
| 08:50.23 | zenzelezz | I remember some pretty neat multiplayer mods for OFP... one I really liked (can't remember the name) divided a city into grid squares, and you started on opposing ends of the town |
| 08:50.37 | zenzelezz | then you had to advance one square at a time |
| 08:50.49 | Elkano | with some other mods you can eg put in the German Bundeswehr and then play Ger vs Rus with CTI ^^ or US vs Iraq |
| 08:50.50 | zenzelezz | something like 10x10 |
| 08:50.59 | zenzelezz | hehehe |
| 08:54.40 | zenzelezz | I think OFP is the only game I've voluntarily played without a crosshair |
| 08:56.55 | Elkano | wouldn't have helped you anyways ^^ |
| 08:58.09 | Elkano | but ofp was also nice for these "I want to havoc a company of tanks" situations... a few clicks and here we go ^^ |
| 09:00.13 | Corrodias | so.. what is OFP? |
| 09:00.45 | Elkano | Operation Flashpoint |
| 09:01.26 | Corrodias | FlashPoint, surely? |
| 09:01.55 | Elkano | "If you see the flash, it's too late..." |
| 09:05.34 | zenzelezz | no Corrodias, Flashpoint |
| 09:05.52 | Corrodias | then, OFp, right? |
| 09:05.55 | zenzelezz | no |
| 09:05.56 | zenzelezz | OFP |
| 09:05.58 | Corrodias | this acronym confuses me |
| 09:06.01 | zenzelezz | yes |
| 09:06.10 | zenzelezz | but it's just how it's been all the time :) |
| 09:06.12 | Corrodias | if the P is associated with the "point" in flashpoint, it seems inappropriate |
| 09:06.16 | zenzelezz | some weirdos even use OPF |
| 09:06.22 | zenzelezz | but they're a minority |
| 09:10.00 | zenzelezz | Your Healing Potion critically heals you for 1050. |
| 09:10.01 | zenzelezz | O_O |
| 09:10.26 | zenzelezz | I didn't know potions could crit |
| 09:24.11 | zenzelezz | grats |
| 09:25.09 | zenzelezz | attack power doesn't affect ranged attacks in any way, does it? |
| 09:25.23 | |FF|Im2good4u | it does :p |
| 09:25.46 | |FF|Im2good4u | +atack power will also giver +.. ranged ttck power |
| 09:26.00 | zenzelezz | but +ranged attack only gives for ranged? |
| 09:26.07 | |FF|Im2good4u | yep |
| 09:26.37 | |FF|Im2good4u | ot over over +400 atttack power whne im buffed up now |
| 09:26.49 | |FF|Im2good4u | over my normal 400 so up to 800 atm |
| 09:27.05 | |FF|Im2good4u | ranged |
| 09:27.36 | zenzelezz | sounds nice |
| 09:27.37 | |FF|Im2good4u | well it doesnt help that much :( |
| 09:27.49 | |FF|Im2good4u | 212 - 246 damge to 220 - 60 dmg |
| 09:28.26 | |FF|Im2good4u | but im seem to crit more :P |
| 09:28.35 | |FF|Im2good4u | that probely the +2%cirt bones :P |
| 09:30.58 | Corrodias | i made my post. boo yah. |
| 09:32.00 | Corrodias | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=29926303&postId=321347913&sid=1#249 and if i've made a mistake in some of my points, please point it out. for example, i didn't scrutinize the south park ep for any mention of the horde but i certainly don't remember them. |
| 09:32.54 | Corrodias | also, the post 6 above mine amused me |
| 09:33.48 | Corrodias | oh noes~ |
| 09:33.50 | axxo | your dead. |
| 09:33.55 | axxo | pls don't ress |
| 09:34.01 | Corrodias | my dead, indeed. |
| 09:34.11 | axxo | you're |
| 09:34.25 | axxo | Corrodias: Where are your capital letters and puctuation? |
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| 09:34.37 | Corrodias | i left them in my other keyboard |
| 09:35.46 | Corrodias | and it -still- has my rank wrong |
| 09:38.02 | Corrodias | "Aimed Shot now resets the Hunter's shot timer. This talent was always intended to be an "opening" shot, and not something that would be woven between shots." |
| 09:38.08 | Corrodias | could you explain just what aimed shot does now? |
| 09:38.29 | Corrodias | *will do |
| 09:38.49 | Galencia | ii think it basically means you wont get off an aimed shot and a auto shot at the same time |
| 09:39.02 | Galencia | it'll be aimed shot -> shot cooldown(gun/bow speed) -> autoshot |
| 09:39.27 | Galencia | whereas now currently you can aimed, multi and auto all at once, more or less |
| 09:39.29 | Corrodias | hmm. so... you're expected to use aimed shot only once, now? |
| 09:39.49 | Elkano | or cope with the cooldown |
| 09:39.57 | Corrodias | (which never seemed that fantastic an idea to me, with the added delay and the increased aggro) |
| 09:40.29 | Corrodias | well, "threat". that's the word they use in that context. |
| 09:42.40 | Corrodias | well, time for bed. 'ni |
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| 10:45.59 | FISKER_Q | considered how threat works aimed shot can't really be considered an opening shot :P |
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| 13:03.32 | [Wobin] | =( |
| 13:03.48 | [Wobin] | We need a list of "You can't call X during Y" |
| 13:04.37 | [Wobin] | cause all this info is flying straight over my head |
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| 13:06.13 | Beladona | talking about the new stuff in BC? |
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| 13:06.34 | [Wobin] | yeah =\ |
| 13:06.41 | [Wobin] | I'm reading, but I'm -so- not comprehending |
| 13:07.00 | Beladona | give Iriel time, he has been super busy with work and personal life. But he should have the concise list updated soon |
| 13:07.05 | [Wobin] | brilliant |
| 13:07.15 | Beladona | I guess I could put something together too, instead of waiting for him all the time |
| 13:07.19 | [Wobin] | I'd like to see how many of my addons will be useless =\ |
| 13:07.36 | [Wobin] | . o O (sob) |
| 13:07.56 | Beladona | I don't think it will be that bad |
| 13:08.07 | Beladona | at worst you might have to rework what some of your addons do a little |
| 13:08.17 | [Wobin] | for example, is it true you cannot programatically call SetTarget("unit") in combat? |
| 13:08.25 | Beladona | correct |
| 13:08.51 | [Wobin] | Well, that's half of Paintball down, I guess |
| 13:08.56 | Beladona | you can however give the user a visual indicator of who they should target |
| 13:09.23 | [Wobin] | I'm not sure how though, as most of the targetting in paintball is to do with npcs |
| 13:09.29 | [Wobin] | not raid members necessarily |
| 13:09.48 | [Wobin] | so the mobs that may be targetted may not even be existant before combat |
| 13:11.34 | [Wobin] | basically what it currently does, is scan the raid's targets, and if they match the one you're after, set yours to the same, otherwise go for a mouseover target and scrape the screen for the target |
| 13:12.32 | Galencia | thats exactly the kind of thing they're wanting to shy away from, i think. :) |
| 13:12.39 | Beladona | aye |
| 13:12.46 | [Wobin] | meh |
| 13:12.50 | Galencia | what it'll have to do instead is paint a big "HI TARGET ME YOU FOOL" over the target |
| 13:12.53 | Galencia | or something |
| 13:12.55 | [Wobin] | which you can't |
| 13:13.03 | [Wobin] | since you can't affect the 3d world |
| 13:13.10 | Galencia | no but you could have a frame |
| 13:13.22 | [Wobin] | doing what. though? |
| 13:13.29 | Galencia | which admittedly doesnt help if the targets have the same name |
| 13:13.51 | [Wobin] | So people have to look up the name of the mob, then try and find them in a mass of similar mobs? |
| 13:14.07 | [Wobin] | then click on them while you have multiple taurens with large rears standing in front of you? =P |
| 13:14.23 | Galencia | well, i cant think of a single situation where that matter, so perhaps you can give an example :) |
| 13:14.33 | [Wobin] | well.. hm |
| 13:14.44 | [Wobin] | Not necessarily a raid, but Jandice |
| 13:15.06 | Galencia | well, you're kinda "exploiting" a mecahnic of the fight there, no? |
| 13:15.10 | [Wobin] | or if you wanted to grab the red spiders out of the mass of other spiders in ZG |
| 13:15.34 | Galencia | thats not so hard to do with a /tar macro, though |
| 13:15.42 | [Wobin] | Not really |
| 13:15.46 | [Wobin] | as there are always more than one |
| 13:15.55 | Galencia | then hit it twice :) |
| 13:16.12 | [Wobin] | does that switch? |
| 13:16.32 | [Wobin] | I would imagine it just retargets the same one |
| 13:16.36 | Galencia | i dunno, but i think it gets the one cloesst to you in auto targetting rules |
| 13:16.45 | Galencia | so in theory it "should" be the one you're interested in anyway |
| 13:16.48 | Beladona | I play a warrior, with no auto-targetting mobs, and OFTEN have to switch targets for aggro control. I don't find it hard |
| 13:17.00 | Beladona | but then, I am good at it through practice |
| 13:17.14 | Galencia | i tell you what are hard to target |
| 13:17.20 | Galencia | those damn eye tentacles at c'thun |
| 13:17.29 | [Wobin] | Well, not really, as this is more of a raid addon than a single user one |
| 13:17.30 | Beladona | people have gotten used to addons doing it for them. it is NOT impossible without them, people just don't want to exert the effort |
| 13:17.35 | Beladona | which is part of teh problem imho |
| 13:17.43 | [Wobin] | Beladona: true to a certain extent |
| 13:18.04 | Beladona | I don't believe there is a single encounter in the game that cannot be beated with default ui |
| 13:18.08 | [Wobin] | but unless healing becomes easier than what it's currently racking up to be, there are going to be fewer and fewer healers doing end game content |
| 13:18.09 | Beladona | would it be hard? sure |
| 13:18.10 | Galencia | some of it is that, some of it is people dont find the "real" jobs of some classes all that interesting so want it as easy as possible :) |
| 13:18.21 | [Wobin] | And some people don't want hard. |
| 13:18.25 | [Wobin] | They want fun |
| 13:18.29 | Beladona | [Wobin] it will b easier |
| 13:18.32 | [Wobin] | or at least enjoyable |
| 13:18.35 | Beladona | a) 25 man raids are standard |
| 13:18.39 | Galencia | personally i found healing with addons insanely boring |
| 13:18.49 | Beladona | b) existing 40 man raids will begin having people 60+ |
| 13:18.55 | Beladona | which makes a big difference |
| 13:19.50 | Galencia | the 25 man thing will help a lot |
| 13:19.50 | Beladona | c) encounters will be designed without healing addons and auto-targetting in mind |
| 13:19.50 | Galencia | my biggest concern was lack of screen space, but with 25 people its not so bad |
| 13:19.50 | [Wobin] | I dunno =\ I'll try healing BC, but honestly, without addons like emergency monitors my latency just makes me react just that much slower |
| 13:19.50 | Beladona | there were some announcements stating that they have come up with new ways to reduce screen clutter |
| 13:20.00 | Galencia | but you can still use addons like emergency monitor |
| 13:20.03 | Galencia | they will just work in a different way |
| 13:20.18 | [Wobin] | Whack-a-mole = |
| 13:20.21 | Galencia | you still have to put some thought into it, which is good, because its you doing the work instead of the game |
| 13:20.34 | [Wobin] | That's what I write addons for =P |
| 13:20.44 | [Wobin] | If I wanted to hand sort my inventory, for example, I'd just do that =P |
| 13:20.52 | Beladona | so it might take more pre-combat planning |
| 13:20.52 | krka | just have one pixel per party member |
| 13:20.59 | krka | two if you want to show mana too |
| 13:21.14 | Beladona | i.e. drag a raid member to an emergency monitor to set it up, and have a list of your most important healing targets right there |
| 13:21.21 | [Wobin] | If it goes out, your raid member is dead =P |
| 13:21.25 | Galencia | [Wobin]: its only whack-a-mole if your raid leaders decide it should be |
| 13:21.26 | Beladona | they stay that way through the entire fight |
| 13:21.31 | Beladona | and flash when healing is needed |
| 13:21.59 | Beladona | if your raid leader is stupid enough not to adjust to the changes, and makes you heal for everyone - they are just stupid. That causes cross healing and poor mana control |
| 13:22.07 | Galencia | quite |
| 13:22.14 | Beladona | and yes I know in a real world example, it happens anyway |
| 13:22.39 | [Wobin] | In a perfect world, every healer has their own list, and they never get aggro, or interrupted =) |
| 13:22.48 | [Wobin] | (or run out of mana) |
| 13:22.58 | Beladona | the list thing can still be the case |
| 13:23.05 | Beladona | healing someone outside your list is YOUR decision |
| 13:23.34 | Galencia | you have to remember the raid size is reduced, so your list is smaller |
| 13:23.47 | Galencia | you can have a prio list, which is BIG and SHINEY, and you can have a "others" list which is not quite so big |
| 13:24.04 | Beladona | and I think I read somewhere that health will be scaled more per level than previously |
| 13:24.04 | Galencia | i think its going to be quite interesting to see exactly what new innovative ideas people come up with |
| 13:24.07 | Galencia | already have a few myself |
| 13:24.11 | Beladona | so healing may not be as hard |
| 13:24.16 | [Wobin] | Beladona: so more health? |
| 13:24.19 | [Wobin] | I hjope so =) |
| 13:24.27 | Beladona | I don't know if that is confirmed, but I saw someone say that |
| 13:24.34 | Galencia | i heard that too |
| 13:24.40 | Galencia | as well as lower rank heals not being usable |
| 13:24.53 | [Wobin] | ? |
| 13:24.53 | Beladona | then there is the Draenei |
| 13:25.03 | Beladona | and shamans! |
| 13:25.05 | Beladona | hehe |
| 13:25.22 | Beladona | or pallies in horde's sake |
| 13:25.33 | Beladona | that will help things on both sides methinks |
| 13:25.47 | Galencia | i do wonder if they will change things like noth though, that were already designed "around" decursive |
| 13:25.56 | Beladona | wel |
| 13:26.05 | Beladona | people go there at 60 right? |
| 13:26.06 | Galencia | it might not be an issue as you level up, but it will certainlly be one if you chose to carry on at 60 :) |
| 13:26.29 | [Wobin] | And what about the people who -don't- buy the expansion? |
| 13:26.30 | Beladona | post-expansion, people will be pushing past 60, so that stuff will be easier to someone that high level |
| 13:26.44 | [Wobin] | They're stuck at 60 |
| 13:26.48 | Beladona | true |
| 13:27.02 | Beladona | they will still benefit from the other people with them that are |
| 13:27.08 | [Wobin] | which is why I hope they redesign the encounters |
| 13:27.11 | [Wobin] | Hm |
| 13:27.16 | Beladona | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:27.17 | [Wobin] | That's not a very good thing though |
| 13:27.27 | Galencia | other "decursive" fights arent really relavant, you can do those manually as it is now |
| 13:27.36 | [Wobin] | having a raid work dependant on whether half of them have spent more money on the game than others |
| 13:27.48 | JoshBorke | morning! |
| 13:28.10 | [Wobin] | You're really saying "Go. Buy the expansion, otherwise you will die lots in raids" |
| 13:28.59 | [Wobin] | I'd much prefer that, once they make this change, they go back and redesign the encounters so they're not made with decursive in mind |
| 13:29.11 | [Wobin] | (ie, how they were originally intended) |
| 13:29.13 | Galencia | i suppose you have to ask if anyone who doesnt buy the expansion will have much interest in naxx at all |
| 13:29.14 | JoshBorke | how many encounters were made with decursive in mind? |
| 13:29.32 | JoshBorke | all of naxx, but then what else? |
| 13:29.33 | [Wobin] | Galencia: How many -now- have interest in NAxx? |
| 13:29.40 | [Wobin] | Quite a lot |
| 13:29.50 | [Wobin] | And why not? |
| 13:29.57 | [Wobin] | It's game content they can access |
| 13:30.02 | Galencia | yeah, but they're interested in it because its end game, people like that will likely buy the expansion |
| 13:30.12 | [Wobin] | That's not entirely true |
| 13:30.18 | [Wobin] | And besides the point =P |
| 13:30.28 | Galencia | perhaps not, but its 90% of people |
| 13:30.37 | Galencia | which is probably about as many as you're ever going to please :) |
| 13:31.12 | JoshBorke | do we have any idea on what sort of gear will be coming out of the expansion? |
| 13:31.14 | [Wobin] | still don't like that. |
| 13:31.52 | [Wobin] | JoshBorke: Apparantly the greens in outland put NAxx gear to shame =P |
| 13:32.02 | Beladona | no one can be sure until it comes out, but I am willing to bet and agree that people that "hardcore" will want to have the expansion as well |
| 13:32.05 | JoshBorke | that's what i've heard too |
| 13:32.18 | [Wobin] | yes |
| 13:32.22 | Beladona | I mean, what more hardcore can you get than reaching 70 AND get gear that is better than Naxx |
| 13:32.25 | [Wobin] | Well, that's the definition of hardcore =) |
| 13:32.34 | [Wobin] | Woe, casual raiders =P |
| 13:32.47 | JoshBorke | even casual players will want the expansion |
| 13:32.48 | Beladona | like I said before |
| 13:33.02 | Beladona | casual raiders will benefit from the presence of people who are not so casual |
| 13:33.20 | [Wobin] | is it true that 60-70 == 1-60? |
| 13:33.22 | Beladona | I can tell you from previous games, that expansion adoption is fairly high |
| 13:33.28 | Beladona | and escalates as time goes on |
| 13:33.32 | [Wobin] | Beladona: Oh I have no doubt |
| 13:33.33 | JoshBorke | i heard it was more like 60-70 = 2x 50-60 |
| 13:33.55 | [Wobin] | hehe 50-60 was the slowest grind ever for me =) |
| 13:34.01 | Beladona | really? |
| 13:34.06 | [Wobin] | noone wants rogues =P |
| 13:34.07 | Beladona | I went from 55 to 60 in 2 days |
| 13:34.13 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 13:34.17 | [Wobin] | As a healer, I pretty much did that though |
| 13:34.35 | Beladona | give it a week, maybe 2 at most |
| 13:34.38 | [Wobin] | "SCholo? Sure why not? Baron, oh I'm on a scholo run...we'll wait..." |
| 13:35.03 | [Wobin] | The only thing worse than rogues for lack of grouping is hunter =P |
| 13:35.06 | [Wobin] | and I've done that too |
| 13:35.26 | [Wobin] | LFM UBRS (Full on hunters and rogues) |
| 13:35.32 | [Wobin] | >< |
| 13:36.32 | Beladona | fyi, I am compiling my own concise changes list based on the blue posts |
| 13:36.39 | JoshBorke | Beladona: danke :-) |
| 13:36.54 | Beladona | will likely defer to Iriel's when his is out tho |
| 13:37.05 | Beladona | his tends to be organized better |
| 13:37.17 | [Wobin] | He's working from slightly more informed ground at times =) |
| 13:37.38 | Beladona | heh |
| 13:38.11 | Beladona | its more his understanding than anything else. He programs all the time. I program a lot, but not as much as he does |
| 13:39.07 | Beladona | I can't wait for beta, I have lots of stuff to try |
| 13:39.28 | [Wobin] | wtb unittesting for mods =P |
| 13:40.03 | [Wobin] | my god, wouldn't that make api changes so much easier to handle? =P |
| 13:40.28 | [Ammo] | Wobin: ace has unittests :) |
| 13:40.33 | [Wobin] | ... we do? |
| 13:40.39 | [Ammo] | wobin: at least it used to when it was in development |
| 13:40.41 | [Wobin] | O.O |
| 13:40.43 | [Wobin] | oh |
| 13:40.44 | [Ammo] | check the svn |
| 13:40.45 | [Wobin] | duh |
| 13:40.47 | [Wobin] | yeah =) |
| 13:40.50 | [Wobin] | gogo assert |
| 13:41.06 | [Wobin] | I completely forgot about them |
| 13:41.28 | [Wobin] | I'd have to say, for Ace2 development, you'd almost -have- to have some level of unittesting in place |
| 13:41.51 | [Wobin] | AceOO scares me |
| 13:43.00 | [Ammo] | :) |
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| 13:50.33 | JoshBorke | what sort of things bela ^_^ |
| 13:51.45 | Beladona | pardon? |
| 13:51.53 | JoshBorke | that you're going to try in beta |
| 13:51.55 | Beladona | sorry was scraping blue posts, I missed the question |
| 13:52.21 | JoshBorke | as far as innovative ideas to make healing not so bad |
| 13:52.33 | JoshBorke | which personally i don't think will be as bad as everyone is saying it will be |
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| 14:01.35 | [Wobin] | I'm hoping the end result will show it up as FUD |
| 14:01.42 | [Wobin] | (the current furor) |
| 14:03.19 | cogwheel | well, the problem is people don't understand the changes enough (all they see is ZOMG no DECURSIVE!!one) and even when they do, people are by nature resistant to change. It doesn't matter if the change is for the better (just look at politics). |
| 14:03.53 | Beladona | the majority of the people screaming are people that USE addons, not make them |
| 14:03.59 | Beladona | so they have no clue |
| 14:04.15 | Beladona | it won't be until addons start coming out with the changes that it will die down |
| 14:04.20 | Galencia | indeed |
| 14:04.39 | Galencia | people at the moment(undestandably) can only see what is being taken away, not what will be provided |
| 14:04.48 | Beladona | aye |
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| 14:05.07 | [Wobin] | thus fud =) |
| 14:05.17 | Beladona | did everyone see the strsplit, strjoin, and strconcat functions that slouken posted last njight? |
| 14:05.51 | JoshBorke | negatory |
| 14:05.52 | cogwheel | where'd he post 'em? |
| 14:05.58 | cogwheel | the 2.0 changes thread is broken... |
| 14:06.02 | JoshBorke | i also didn't see the posts about overide |
| 14:06.13 | Beladona | override? |
| 14:06.25 | Beladona | oh |
| 14:06.26 | JoshBorke | override keybindings |
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| 14:06.28 | Beladona | the keybinds |
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| 14:06.41 | Beladona | Override Keybindings |
| 14:06.42 | Beladona | SetOverrideBinding(owner, isPriority, "KEY"[, "COMMAND"]) |
| 14:06.42 | Beladona | SetOverrideBindingSpell(owner, isPriority, "KEY", "spellname") |
| 14:06.42 | Beladona | SetOverrideBindingClick(owner, isPriority, "KEY", "buttonName"[, "mouseButton"]) |
| 14:06.42 | Beladona | ClearOverrideBindings(owner) |
| 14:06.58 | JoshBorke | are those combat protected functions? |
| 14:07.07 | Beladona | it doesn't say |
| 14:07.08 | Beladona | =( |
| 14:07.25 | Beladona | I don't think so though |
| 14:07.37 | Beladona | changing regular keybinds are protected, but these are overrides, which are temporary |
| 14:07.55 | Beladona | you set it, then clear it to get the normal keybind back |
| 14:07.58 | Galencia | how would you use those? |
| 14:08.18 | Beladona | example: you have a menu, that you open with a keybind |
| 14:08.26 | Beladona | when you open it, a submenu gets set to keybind 1 |
| 14:08.34 | Beladona | you press 1 |
| 14:08.38 | Galencia | ahh |
| 14:08.42 | Beladona | the submenu under that has an item that is set to keybind 1 |
| 14:08.49 | Galencia | the beginnings of the 1-2-3-1-1 stuff someone posted earlier |
| 14:08.50 | Beladona | you press it, and it clicks that item |
| 14:09.10 | Beladona | when you are all done, clearing the binds sets 1 back to your normal ActionButton1 |
| 14:09.20 | Beladona | or whatever you have it set to |
| 14:09.43 | Beladona | it makes lives easier for people with disabilities |
| 14:09.45 | JoshBorke | that'll be nice |
| 14:09.53 | Beladona | not to mention just plain easy for anyone |
| 14:10.32 | Beladona | String Functions |
| 14:10.32 | Beladona | ... = strsplit(delimiters, string, [, limit]) |
| 14:10.32 | Beladona | string = strjoin(delimiter, ...) |
| 14:10.32 | Beladona | string = strconcat(...) |
| 14:10.37 | Beladona | those are the ones I was talking about |
| 14:14.33 | JoshBorke | is strconcat faster than <string1> .. <string2>? |
| 14:18.08 | Beladona | I doubt it. strconcat uses that same functionality internally |
| 14:18.20 | Beladona | it is mostly usable for long strings that need to be concat |
| 14:18.36 | Beladona | i.e. string1, string2, string3, string4, string5, string6 |
| 14:19.14 | Beladona | I doubt the speed difference is noticeable though |
| 14:19.31 | Beladona | so if you wanted to use it instead for coding "simplicity" I imagine it would be ok |
| 14:20.22 | Beladona | notice that strsplit sakes "delimiters" |
| 14:20.24 | Beladona | plural |
| 14:20.31 | Beladona | meaning you can define multiple delimiters |
| 14:20.39 | Beladona | mmmm =D |
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| 14:42.20 | [Wobin] | >.> |
| 14:43.03 | |FF|Im2good4u | http://www.thottbot.com/?so=1264 \o/ :P |
| 14:43.44 | [Wobin] | wtb private server =P |
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| 14:52.56 | malreth | Braaaaaaaiiiiiinssssssss! |
| 14:53.21 | VeganZombie | GRAIIIIINSSSSSS! |
| 14:53.26 | malreth | aw... Cogwheel isn't here |
| 14:53.33 | malreth | ~seen cogwheel |
| 14:53.52 | purl | cogwheel <n=chatzill@67.188.231.45> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 47m 54s ago, saying: 'the 2.0 changes thread is broken...'. |
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| 15:22.49 | Wobin | cogwheel: Malreth was looking for you |
| 15:23.04 | cogwheel | malreth pong? |
| 15:23.55 | malreth | today's trolls seem to lack the enthusiasm that BigRedBrent had |
| 15:24.07 | malreth | even he's starting to tone down a bit |
| 15:24.12 | cogwheel | Yeah... i think a lot of it is starting to sink in |
| 15:24.13 | malreth | it makes me sad |
| 15:24.24 | |FF|Im2good4u | dah mthe new hunter talents make it hard to decide .. |
| 15:24.38 | malreth | i like the new hunter talents |
| 15:24.43 | malreth | especially misdirection |
| 15:24.53 | Shadowed | i don't like it |
| 15:24.55 | malreth | it's gonna change how mobs get pulled |
| 15:25.00 | cogwheel | malreth: maybe i'll post as an alt to stir up some more trouble? |
| 15:25.02 | cogwheel | :P |
| 15:25.16 | malreth | cogwheel: it wouldn't be the same |
| 15:25.34 | malreth | anyways, back to hunters |
| 15:25.44 | malreth | i like the idea of a 2 or 3 hunter rotation on a pull |
| 15:26.11 | malreth | one pops Misdirection on the MT, Aimed shot, etc, etc... second one repeats |
| 15:26.35 | malreth | by the time it gets to the group, the MT has a ton of aggro already built up before he even starts sundering |
| 15:27.16 | Shadowed | eh, unless blizzard dramatically changes the encounters you'll still have theMT pulling boss the majority of the time, and for trash it doesn't really matter |
| 15:27.28 | malreth | And imagine the fun of having hunters run in to pop snake traps now that they can be dropped mid-combat |
| 15:27.35 | malreth | SNAAAAAKES!!! |
| 15:27.45 | JoshBorke | what exactly do the snakes do? |
| 15:27.51 | cogwheel | http://www.badgerbadgerbadger.com |
| 15:27.58 | malreth | JoshBorke: they do what snakes do... bite things |
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| 15:29.13 | malreth | Shadowed: it does matter. if dps can begin right away on trash mobs, it shaves 10 sec from every trash encounter. |
| 15:29.25 | malreth | and not all bosses are tank pulls |
| 15:29.50 | malreth | in any case, additional threat generation for MTs is a good thing |
| 15:30.43 | Shadowed | MC, like every other fight. BWL, drakes, chromaggus. AQ40, sartura, trio, prophet. Naxx, 4H |
| 15:31.48 | malreth | I guess our org does things differently from yours |
| 15:31.48 | zenzelezz | prophet? |
| 15:31.59 | Shadowed | paladin aggro's him first |
| 15:32.02 | zenzelezz | our MT just charges him with everyone on his heels |
| 15:32.02 | malreth | sartura is a hunter pull for us |
| 15:32.03 | Shadowed | oh, and instructor |
| 15:32.22 | Shadowed | the fights I listed were the ones that a hunter pulls :p |
| 15:32.28 | malreth | oh... ok |
| 15:32.31 | zenzelezz | for instructor we have a mage pull, iceblock, and a rogue Evasion-tank him until the first MC is ready |
| 15:32.45 | Shadowed | instructor, paladin pulls, warrior SW's |
| 15:33.23 | malreth | anyways, strats can change... well they'll have to change. So many new abilities are coming out that it'd be foolish to not integrate them somehow |
| 15:34.21 | zenzelezz | I haven't bothered paying attention to any of the new stuff details yet, isn't it all past 60? |
| 15:34.56 | zenzelezz | (the *new* things that is, not the modifications) |
| 15:35.20 | Shadowed | it's an interesting ability, but I doubt it'll be that game changing, but it's impossible to tell until we know more |
| 15:38.53 | zenzelezz | you'd best hope you don't anger a hunter |
| 15:39.18 | Shadowed | i'm a warrior, i'd be tanking the mob regardless if they want me to or not :p |
| 15:39.18 | malreth | hehe... yeah |
| 15:39.19 | zenzelezz | imagine him casting it on a rogue or something like that =) |
| 15:39.25 | malreth | HAHA! |
| 15:40.43 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 15:48.30 | cogwheel | I think misdirection should be usable in PvP >:D Someone going up to a black lotus? Sick a drake on 'em! |
| 15:48.45 | cogwheel | that was supposed to be an evil grin not angry (if you're using chatzilla) |
| 15:49.44 | Shadowed | actually, thats an interesting idea |
| 15:49.52 | Shadowed | I bet they restrict it to party/raid |
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| 15:50.46 | Osagasu | I think it should too, Cog |
| 15:50.52 | Osagasu | but yeah |
| 15:50.54 | Osagasu | only in raid |
| 15:51.01 | Osagasu | says so on the tooltip now |
| 15:51.27 | Osagasu | >:( |
| 15:51.37 | Shadowed | that was fast |
| 15:51.54 | Osagasu | I noticed they changed it to raid only last night before I went to bed |
| 15:52.02 | Osagasu | I think the talent tree is still borked though |
| 15:52.13 | Osagasu | anyone else notice the broken survival talent? |
| 15:52.24 | Shadowed | which? |
| 15:52.46 | Osagasu | h/o |
| 15:53.14 | Osagasu | Resourcefulness |
| 15:53.44 | Osagasu | Tier 8 talent |
| 15:53.51 | Osagasu | err |
| 15:53.53 | Osagasu | 6 |
| 15:55.18 | Osagasu | hmm |
| 15:55.20 | Osagasu | I wonder |
| 15:55.38 | Osagasu | If Rapid Killing would increase the damage done by that hunter BWL trinket as well |
| 15:56.25 | Shadowed | whats wrong with resourcefulness |
| 15:57.00 | Osagasu | Have you taken all 3 points in it? |
| 15:57.19 | Galencia | its not raid only |
| 15:57.24 | Galencia | it says it is, but it works in a party too |
| 15:57.33 | Shadowed | undefined? that just means it's BETTER then 6% reduction |
| 15:57.44 | Osagasu | hehehe |
| 15:57.46 | Galencia | go read the us hunter forums |
| 15:57.50 | Galencia | all this stuff is answered there |
| 15:58.03 | Osagasu | Galencia, Parties are parts of raids. |
| 15:58.12 | Shadowed | and yet hunters can lock down casters easly already |
| 15:58.34 | Galencia | Osagasu: one is a superset of the other, you cant have a raid in a party. The clarification matters |
| 16:00.43 | Osagasu | But when I said it, it was assumed by the rest of the people in here that "raid" inclided party, because I was acknowledging that it was only party/raid. |
| 16:00.54 | Osagasu | so you saying that it was also party was redundant. |
| 16:01.03 | Shadowed | although it's funny how the troll hunters name is Jamaican in there screenshots |
| 16:01.12 | Osagasu | I noticed that too |
| 16:01.54 | Shadowed | brb |
| 16:01.54 | Osagasu | off to school. |
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| 16:09.15 | cogwheel | So malreth, when's my macbook coming? |
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| 16:11.22 | cogwheel | decursive has invaded the general forum |
| 16:11.40 | cogwheel | expect some incoming thread transfers... |
| 16:13.39 | zenzelezz | Decursive or its users? |
| 16:14.09 | malreth | gah, the whining threads need to be move from UI/macro to general |
| 16:14.11 | cogwheel | Criminey... I've usually been pretty supportive of blizzard, but they REALLY missed a bunch of stuff in the 1.12.1 patch notes... Destroying quest items when you abandon quests, the mount changes, removing rested XP from 60s |
| 16:14.40 | cogwheel | zenzelezz: the whiney people who are crying about having to think while healing |
| 16:15.21 | malreth | Sijil makes me smile |
| 16:17.23 | Shadowed | zenzelezz decursive isn't bad if you want to be lazy :p |
| 16:18.21 | zenzelezz | Shadowed: I said nothing about the quality or lack thereof in Decursive, I only asked if it was its developers or users |
| 16:19.15 | Shadowed | i'd hope devlopers are smart enough to not take it to the general forums! |
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| 16:23.16 | zenzelezz | slept well? |
| 16:23.34 | Cairenn | meh |
| 16:28.00 | cogwheel | Did you have nightmares about the 2.0 changes? |
| 16:28.16 | Cairenn | nope |
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| 16:28.38 | Cairenn | but I've been having nightmares about the users screaming in the forums :p |
| 16:28.41 | zenzelezz | does it matter much how quick/slow a pet's attack speed is? :-o |
| 16:28.53 | Shadowed | faster attack speed makes casters cry in pvp |
| 16:29.10 | zenzelezz | and for PvE? |
| 16:29.21 | Shadowed | your pet will be dead 99% of the time |
| 16:29.44 | zenzelezz | I'm mostly thinking of the time he's alive though |
| 16:29.45 | malreth | slower cat attacks make for better first strikes from prowl |
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| 16:39.39 | Plorkyeran | Faster is better for everything but prowl |
| 16:39.49 | Plorkyeran | But the prowl damage bonus is pretty trivial |
| 16:40.15 | malreth | yeah... but sometimes that's all you'll get from your pet. :) |
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| 16:41.04 | malreth | *roar* *bite* Ow! /slap Was that a mosquito bite? What was that? |
| 16:43.30 | Cairenn | have you guys seen this from last night? http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=32337474&sid=1 |
| 16:44.28 | malreth | yeah... already read that |
| 16:45.18 | Cairenn | surprised there hasn't been more response to it |
| 16:45.39 | malreth | Iriel's response is pretty good. |
| 16:45.49 | Cairenn | errr, surprised there hasn't been *any* response to it, I mean |
| 16:45.54 | Cairenn | to Iriel's post |
| 16:46.05 | malreth | oh... that |
| 16:46.14 | cogwheel | And Maireleon (sp?) is working on that speach recognition program... |
| 16:46.27 | Cairenn | yeah |
| 16:46.35 | malreth | because responding to it would mean that someone recognizes that things aren't all bleak and that doesn't correspond with their agenda |
| 16:46.47 | Cairenn | malreth: heh |
| 16:47.11 | malreth | i love bluetracker... just noticed this tidbit |
| 16:47.12 | malreth | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15401595&pageNo=17&sid=1#320 |
| 16:47.17 | malreth | i never thought about that |
| 16:49.32 | zenzelezz | wonder if it's worth it to camp BS for Deathmaw, level one of the SFK wolves, or just keep this 2.0 wolf. I probably suck as a hunter anyway, so I doubt it matters =D |
| 16:49.58 | malreth | my fiancee just got a 2.0 kitty the other day |
| 16:50.06 | malreth | she likes collecting unusual pets |
| 16:50.19 | malreth | we found one that is translucent |
| 16:50.31 | zenzelezz | well, I just got this one for the model... I like how it looks |
| 16:51.04 | malreth | she'll have the see-through cat for PvP and her sewer beast albino croc for raids. |
| 16:51.56 | Cairenn | malreth: hehehe, I've had that one for a while now |
| 16:52.06 | jehuu | did your fiancee use to collect on dead animals in alchohol bottles, before wow? |
| 16:52.25 | malreth | everyone loves the sewer beast... it's developed a personality on its own |
| 16:52.35 | malreth | jehuu: O_o |
| 16:53.09 | malreth | she feeds it lobster stew during raids and has an addon that emotes that out to everyone |
| 16:53.24 | malreth | everyone gets all, "she feeds that thing better than I get fed!" |
| 16:53.35 | jehuu | lol ;D |
| 16:53.51 | malreth | and then she'll eyes of the beast control it to chase gnomes around |
| 16:54.07 | malreth | and then jump on them |
| 16:54.25 | jehuu | i was just curious as to why one would collect odd pets in wow |
| 16:54.42 | malreth | to look unique |
| 16:54.44 | Cairenn | jehuu: because it's fun? |
| 16:54.58 | malreth | everyone always brings their cat to the Core... and no one really remembers them |
| 16:55.01 | cogwheel | i carry 6 on me with my lock |
| 16:55.18 | cogwheel | but that's just overcompensation 'cause my murky is on my warrior and i can't go raiding with him :( |
| 16:55.19 | malreth | EVERYONE in our raid org knows about Magg, the fearless white crocolisk |
| 16:55.50 | malreth | people cheer for him when he survives a pet pull of a boss |
| 16:56.16 | malreth | priests heal him because they love him so much |
| 16:56.20 | jehuu | hehe, the mascot? ;) |
| 16:56.29 | malreth | darn near! |
| 16:56.34 | jehuu | does he ever die? |
| 16:56.47 | malreth | yeah... every time pulling Sulfuron |
| 16:56.50 | Plorkyeran | Our petpuller has to get a new pet every few raids because he never feeds it :P |
| 16:56.56 | Shadowed | ll |
| 16:56.57 | Shadowed | lol* |
| 16:57.10 | malreth | but he usually survives lava pack pulls |
| 16:57.35 | malreth | she maxxed out his FR just to hunt dragons and for Molten Core |
| 16:57.58 | jehuu | omg, the pop pyro nuke from lava packs >_< |
| 16:58.17 | malreth | yep... he'll often survive the initial volley |
| 16:58.48 | malreth | i'll usually put Dampen Magic on the pets to help tone down the dots just a bit |
| 17:00.06 | jehuu | hehe, but you have so many ppl getting mitigated healing from dampen magic and only 1 magical attack beeing done :P |
| 17:00.33 | jehuu | will he be up for golemag soon? |
| 17:01.06 | malreth | soon? |
| 17:01.27 | cogwheel | Can someone please knock some sense into this guy? http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=32207882&sid=1#7 |
| 17:01.41 | jehuu | i mean, have he tanked him yet? :P |
| 17:03.17 | malreth | we have MC and BWL on farm status |
| 17:03.59 | malreth | i seem to remember him surviving getting stomped on by Golemag |
| 17:04.00 | zenzelezz | I guess he'd have some trouble keeping aggro :-o |
| 17:04.34 | malreth | actually, yes... the Golemag pull is one where the healers actually heal the little guy |
| 17:05.02 | jehuu | ^^ |
| 17:05.47 | malreth | cogwheel: as for Baxs, i'd post something but I don't know enough to be able to say something with absolute confidence |
| 17:06.18 | malreth | reason dictates that since BC will be distributed on several CDs, that blizzard isn't going to have all beta testers download that new content |
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| 17:06.52 | malreth | and I also don't know where you got your information from, either |
| 17:07.03 | cogwheel | Logic |
| 17:07.08 | cogwheel | :P |
| 17:07.45 | Plorkyeran | Didn't slouken say it was the WoW 2.0.0 PTR? |
| 17:07.56 | Plorkyeran | As compared to the BC PTR? |
| 17:08.03 | malreth | Ooh... i can't do logic. I was raised Catholic |
| 17:08.03 | cogwheel | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15401595&postId=322123996&sid=1#423 |
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| 17:11.48 | Royal | Industrial, how are those idUnitBars coming along ^^? |
| 17:12.50 | Beladona | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:12.56 | Beladona | thats what they said in a thread |
| 17:13.00 | Beladona | lemme get the link |
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| 17:22.15 | jehuu | im wondering, DAB has as an option "self cast spell if there is no target or invalid target" will any kind of macro(?) like that be disabled in 2.0.0? seems to be its a logic function :P |
| 17:22.29 | Shadowed | selfcast is built into 2.0.0 |
| 17:22.42 | malreth | self cast is built in now |
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| 17:22.57 | zenzelezz | I hope it will wor with hostile spells too =D |
| 17:23.02 | zenzelezz | "Invalid target? Sheep yourself!" |
| 17:23.12 | zenzelezz | *work |
| 17:23.15 | Shadowed | lol |
| 17:23.24 | malreth | self cast doesn't make sense for offensive spells like that |
| 17:23.25 | Abenadi | i noticed you can change the self-cast modifier key... in 2.0 will it auto-self-cast beneficial spells with no target? |
| 17:23.48 | zenzelezz | malreth: of course not, but it would be entertaining :) |
| 17:23.50 | malreth | Abenadi: try self cast now with the current WoW client |
| 17:24.14 | jehuu | i would just hate to use alt or control to heal my self :p |
| 17:24.37 | Abenadi | i'm not sure what you mean malreth. is there a current option for self-cast? i use alt. |
| 17:24.47 | malreth | check interface options |
| 17:24.55 | malreth | there's a checkbox for it now |
| 17:25.05 | malreth | they added it in 1.12 |
| 17:25.07 | Abenadi | ok, and the functionality is the same in 2.0 then? |
| 17:25.23 | malreth | we don't know... presumably it's the same |
| 17:25.27 | Abenadi | k |
| 17:25.30 | jehuu | oh lol, its already in ^^ |
| 17:26.20 | jehuu | but i will very much miss the 1 button heal macros :( |
| 17:27.44 | jehuu | on cthun its impossible to target anything but the stupid eye, so you have to target others via raid windows to heal.. without that macro |
| 17:28.16 | Kirov | jehuu - I hate the big ass glow |
| 17:28.18 | Shadowed | /target <name> still works fyi |
| 17:28.55 | Kirov | It's one of the things I both love and hate about WoW. |
| 17:29.09 | Kirov | When you see some big spell effect, you can click it and select the caster. |
| 17:29.32 | jehuu | im not gona type /target <name> kirov to target some one, there just isnt the time for it at that encounter -.- |
| 17:29.36 | Kirov | But, for some units (warlock like big blue) it makes they freakin' impossible to click. |
| 17:29.58 | jehuu | use tab to target on cthun :p |
| 17:30.12 | Kirov | jehuu - the eye stalks |
| 17:30.26 | Kirov | often I can still hit them (as a hunter) but can't tab to them. |
| 17:30.39 | cogwheel | woah... where did everyone go? it's been like a whole minute and there are no new posts on UI & macros... |
| 17:30.39 | Shadowed | ^ |
| 17:30.39 | cogwheel | XD |
| 17:30.46 | Shadowed | it'll take me like 4-5s to realise i'm not attacking the right one from tab |
| 17:31.10 | Cairenn | servers back up maybe? |
| 17:31.14 | Kirov | cogwheel - Are you seing the last post as being "Addon Idea Bags to Macros" |
| 17:31.21 | jehuu | its the eye stalks you tabtarget Kirov, the giant eye is targeted where ever you click with your mouse |
| 17:31.34 | cogwheel | oh... it just changed |
| 17:33.21 | jehuu | but anyways, healing in TBC will be as enjoyable as cleaning your floor with a toothbrush |
| 17:33.56 | Shadowed | the people it effects the most are the ones who relied on macros to do the job |
| 17:34.12 | Cairenn | jehuu: you don't know that for sure, all the info isn't out yet, they are still working on it, as has been stated time and again |
| 17:35.05 | Kirov | I'll be happy when they ditch lua in favor of visual basic. It's going to rule! |
| 17:35.25 | Kirov | "goto"s here I come! |
| 17:35.40 | Xuerian | Haha. |
| 17:35.52 | zenzelezz | For i = 1 TO 10 |
| 17:35.56 | zenzelezz | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:35.57 | zenzelezz | Next |
| 17:36.04 | zenzelezz | the memories... |
| 17:39.25 | jehuu | Cairenn they will kill all auto-targeting and casting macros, afaik ^^ |
| 17:40.09 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:40.53 | cogwheel | people make me cry :( http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=32277581&sid=1 |
| 17:41.57 | JoshBorke | jehuu: they are making it a UI not AI paradigm. it's not the end of the world... |
| 17:42.27 | Beladona | as someone stated, it only really hurts people who got used to their addons doing it for them |
| 17:42.39 | Beladona | I would suggest learning to do without now |
| 17:42.44 | Beladona | while you aren't forced |
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| 17:44.54 | cogwheel | XD |
| 17:44.56 | cogwheel | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=32337919&postId=321753286&sid=1#1 |
| 17:45.04 | jehuu | its the end of ez.mode-healing is it not? i dont mind paying attention to who i heal on new encounters but when youre doing MC with a nax guild, you dont care if you overheal or not, this macro made it alot easier to DPS and heal at the same time... now they force us to use like 50 bindings if you wana be able to dps heal and decurse, end of enjoyment if you ask me :P |
| 17:45.25 | cogwheel | jehuu: think outside the box |
| 17:45.34 | cogwheel | (that's not just a meaningless catch phrase) |
| 17:45.54 | cogwheel | You are assuming decursive and a bunch of macros are the only ways to decurse |
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| 17:46.12 | cogwheel | That is just plain wrong. Please take some time to look over the "upcoming changes" thread |
| 17:47.27 | jehuu | kk give me an hour or two to find that thread -.- |
| 17:47.39 | Cairenn | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15401595&sid=1 |
| 17:47.42 | cogwheel | umm... try the sticky post on the top of the UI & Macros forum? |
| 17:47.47 | Xuerian | jehuu: Take a moment, go to the link in the topic, and read all the blue posts (read post, hit next post. read post, hit next post), it explains the changes, and while emons and decursive are out of click-casting functionality, and smart macros are mostly gone, there's more information, different methods, and new ideas |
| 17:48.15 | krka | i for one welcome our new self-acting players |
| 17:48.32 | Cairenn | lol |
| 17:48.41 | malreth | jehuu: there are no forum mods here and I don't fear being kicked... don't make me unleash my fury upon you |
| 17:48.49 | krka | damn it |
| 17:48.52 | krka | i forgot the overlord part |
| 17:48.55 | krka | i fail it :( |
| 17:49.05 | krka | it was the most important part too |
| 17:49.36 | Xuerian | I won't miss emons so much as Sprocket =( |
| 17:50.13 | Xuerian | It didn't automate things, just made using actions and items more intuitive =| |
| 17:50.19 | malreth | yeah... well perhaps Sprocket can make use of the secure menu templates |
| 17:50.45 | Xuerian | Hopefully =) |
| 17:51.15 | zenzelezz | if Sprocket vanishes, I may just stop playing anything except my warrior, where things fits in a limited number of actionbars |
| 17:52.40 | zenzelezz | that's really the only big concern I have about the changes |
| 17:53.38 | Cairenn | jehuu: just as a heads up, this is a channel full of UI devs, we don't subscribe to the mass hysteria based on partial information going on in the forums and we tend not to have patience with those that do |
| 17:53.49 | Shadowed | WORLDSGOING TO WENd |
| 17:53.50 | Shadowed | OMg |
| 17:53.54 | Xuerian | Read: <Guns cocking> |
| 17:54.12 | Abenadi | I subscribe to all forms of hysteria |
| 17:54.12 | jehuu | im not, just making conversation Cairenn? :> |
| 17:54.46 | Beladona | no worries. We will just make sure to say "we told you so" when it comes out ok? |
| 17:54.47 | malreth | then make conversation... if I want whining i'll call up one of my customers here |
| 17:54.56 | Cairenn | as I said, just a friendly warning |
| 17:55.22 | malreth | "wah wah wah... people can't log in..." |
| 17:55.24 | Cairenn | we're all up to about - here with the whining on the forums, this is our sanctuary |
| 17:55.29 | cogwheel | malreth: or just open a browser window to the UI & macros forum |
| 17:55.30 | malreth | "you're wasting our money" |
| 17:56.23 | JoshBorke | krka: we require more vespene gas |
| 17:56.36 | tyroney|work | I wonder how outrageous high-tier armor will look a year or so from now,. |
| 17:57.00 | tyroney|work | I mean, we've already got shoulder-trees, and other exciting stuff like that. |
| 17:57.42 | JoshBorke | most people disagree with me, but i like the tier4 paladin armor |
| 17:57.58 | krka | JoshBorke: errr. what? |
| 17:58.01 | JoshBorke | mainly because it's the closest thing to a shiny silver set |
| 17:58.21 | JoshBorke | krka: your overlord comment reminded me of starcraft... |
| 17:58.29 | Xuerian | Sperm more overlords? >.> |
| 17:58.36 | tyroney|work | I'm kind of hoping for some kind of EVA unit super-armored robocop on hyper-dimensional steroids. |
| 17:58.49 | Xuerian | Hahaha, that would rock tyroney|work XD |
| 17:58.51 | JoshBorke | tyroney|work: you seen some of the other class sets? |
| 17:58.56 | tyroney|work | Not really. |
| 17:59.11 | tyroney|work | I just see what runs by me in town. |
| 18:02.42 | Cairenn | god I can't wait until this all gets sorted out and the UI forum goes back to normal |
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| 18:04.57 | zenzelezz | you could make somewhat of a parody movie using R.E.M.'s "It's the end of the world" about this |
| 18:05.08 | malreth | OOOH!!! |
| 18:07.15 | cogwheel | :S |
| 18:15.46 | Cairenn | cogwheel: posted the link |
| 18:16.00 | cogwheel | ty :) |
| 18:16.26 | Cairenn | np |
| 18:20.39 | Shadowed | s |
| 18:20.42 | Shadowed | er oops |
| 18:23.08 | malreth | gah... end of the world as we know it is a hard song! |
| 18:25.50 | malreth | be back later |
| 18:35.35 | cogwheel | wait... when did they start having a timer for editing your own post? |
| 18:37.30 | Cairenn | with the new forums |
| 18:38.39 | cogwheel | no ... I've always been able to go back and edit without the timer |
| 18:38.45 | cogwheel | it's new posts that had the timer |
| 18:38.55 | cogwheel | and new threads that had the 10 per hour limit |
| 18:39.08 | Cairenn | hmm dunno then |
| 18:47.44 | Iriel | I've always had the 1 minute timer on edits |
| 18:47.52 | Iriel | It depends how fast you notice your mistake I guess |
| 18:48.52 | cogwheel | hmm |
| 18:49.24 | Cairenn | I am pretty sure I have too |
| 18:51.09 | Mery | well I'd have bet my money on cogwheels side |
| 18:51.34 | cogwheel | Me too... I could've sworn i've realized a mistake the instant I clicked post and have been able to edit it no problem |
| 18:51.43 | Mery | (same) |
| 18:51.49 | Mery | as I never preview |
| 18:52.17 | cogwheel | Yeah... I only preview if i'm doing formatting (lists, pre & such) |
| 18:52.45 | Mery | I know I got the timer short after the new forums lunched, but not latly |
| 18:53.55 | cogwheel | They did just do some maintenance downtime on the forums yesterday... maybe they changed it? |
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| 18:56.31 | Mery | no I don't get the timer right now |
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| 18:57.18 | cogwheel | very strange |
| 18:57.59 | zenzelezz | they just nerfed you cog =D |
| 18:58.11 | Mery | for edit, for new posts I get it |
| 18:58.25 | cogwheel | zenzelezz: i wouldn't blame them XD |
| 18:58.30 | Mery | haha |
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| 19:30.13 | Corrodias | hey |
| 19:30.15 | Corrodias | your mom |
| 19:30.35 | Cairenn | is a very nice lady |
| 19:35.07 | tyroney|work | for the record, I believe editing is free, but resets the timer for posts. |
| 19:35.40 | tyroney|work | maybe |
| 19:43.01 | Galencia | hmm |
| 19:43.08 | Galencia | my first try at raiding without detox/decursive |
| 19:43.12 | Galencia | it didnt go so good. :D |
| 19:44.29 | Corrodias | i have not used decursive for very long and, hearing these changes, i'm trying to go back to doing it manually, with decursive's frame merely as a suggestion of who to hit |
| 19:44.42 | Corrodias | at least perfectraid makes cursed and poisoned people easily visible |
| 19:44.54 | Galencia | i'll learn soon enough |
| 19:45.11 | Galencia | was just a bit of a shock to the system to have it gone all of a sudden, good idea that i got rid of it early :) |
| 19:45.18 | Corrodias | i had to put my depoison and decurse back on my action bars, ahh |
| 19:46.49 | Galencia | i went down the click casting route |
| 19:47.56 | Corrodias | i'd like to consider that |
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| 19:48.19 | Corrodias | i've run out of action bar slots that i can hit with my left hand, and i still need to add stuff from the expansion |
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| 20:29.28 | Osagasu | **casts=slaps |
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| 20:37.24 | Maldivia | hmm, wonder how much the ranged-weapon changes will affect rogues/warriors damage with bows... |
| 20:37.46 | Shadowed | instead of 500 crit, it'll be 700 :p |
| 20:38.34 | Maldivia | I already think rogues are doing too much damage with their bows... :| |
| 20:38.51 | Shadowed | it hardly matters :p |
| 20:39.10 | Shadowed | With the STA changes it wont be as quick fights, and a lot of classes are getting anti-kite or damage reduc ablities |
| 20:39.40 | zenzelezz | sta changes? |
| 20:39.41 | Shadowed | even if bows and stuff start critting for 1,000 at 70, weapons will still be hitting even harder |
| 20:39.51 | Maldivia | zenzelezz: level 65 warlocks are running aorund with 7k health :) |
| 20:39.53 | Shadowed | STA will cost a lot less in itemizaiton |
| 20:40.00 | Shadowed | I believe they cut the cost in half? |
| 20:40.17 | Maldivia | zenzelezz: and that's in green/blue gear |
| 20:40.44 | zenzelezz | that doesn't explain what the changes are |
| 20:41.01 | Shadowed | yes it does :p |
| 20:41.13 | Shadowed | they're cutting the cost in half, they can put more STA on items without having to take away from DPS stats |
| 20:41.20 | Maldivia | basically, there's a lot more stamina on gear than previously |
| 20:41.20 | Shadowed | (not sure the exact amount, may not be half) |
| 20:41.37 | tyroney|work | So greater heal might get used once or twice? |
| 20:41.39 | zenzelezz | so what about tanks, we'll see 12k? |
| 20:41.42 | Maldivia | probably also means, healers will have to use near-max rank heals again :) |
| 20:41.45 | Shadowed | more then that |
| 20:41.51 | Shadowed | blizzard doesn't want the 2-3 shot fights, they want longer ones |
| 20:41.53 | Plorkyeran | Tanks can already get close to 12k without timers.... |
| 20:42.12 | zenzelezz | timers? o_O |
| 20:42.18 | Shadowed | flasks? |
| 20:42.19 | Maldivia | petions |
| 20:42.22 | Plorkyeran | Last Stand/Lifegiving gem |
| 20:42.43 | Shadowed | our MT is at like 13k health during loatheb |
| 20:42.43 | Plorkyeran | There's a warrior in my battlegroup with 8k hp unbuffed |
| 20:42.49 | Shadowed | without stand/gem |
| 20:43.00 | Plorkyeran | He's a lot of fun in AV :P |
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| 21:01.41 | Mery | "Encounters Tweeked because of UI change?" - Why can't they ask/discuss that in the R&D forum =( |
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| 21:23.27 | JoshBorke | Iriel: ping |
| 21:23.46 | JoshBorke | well, really, anyone who is familiar with layers and what not |
| 21:23.57 | Kirov | layers? |
| 21:24.06 | JoshBorke | texture layers |
| 21:24.16 | Kirov | what about them? |
| 21:24.33 | JoshBorke | i'm helping maia with grid and i suggested he use textures to create the border effects |
| 21:24.51 | JoshBorke | my question is how can we guarantee that one texture is shown on top of another texture? |
| 21:25.06 | JoshBorke | i'm assuming it would require the use of frameStrata |
| 21:25.27 | Kirov | regions don't have strata |
| 21:25.59 | JoshBorke | then perhaps drawlayer? |
| 21:26.00 | Kirov | With in a layer, you cannot guarantee a texture will be on top. |
| 21:26.12 | Kirov | between layers, they're guarenteed |
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| 21:26.40 | Kirov | Background, Border, Artwork, Overlay, Highlight I believe are the 5 |
| 21:26.44 | Kirov | from back to front |
| 21:26.55 | Kirov | Highlight is a special layer that _only_ shows on mouse over |
| 21:27.33 | Kirov | If you need more layers than that, and you need guarenteed draw order, you have to add child frames to manage those textures |
| 21:29.30 | JoshBorke | Kirov: so i could achieve 8 layers by have 2 frames with 4 draw layers and each frame at different frame stratas? |
| 21:29.42 | JoshBorke | s/have/having/ |
| 21:29.59 | JoshBorke | and of course i don't know the correct terminology :-D |
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| 21:31.15 | JoshBorke | morning Beladona |
| 21:31.18 | JoshBorke | morning Cide |
| 21:31.26 | Cide | morning JoshBorke :) |
| 21:31.30 | Mery | different FrameLevels (but then again I don't know exactly how stratas work) |
| 21:31.44 | Beladona | morning? |
| 21:32.00 | Mery | ~ugt |
| 21:32.02 | purl | rumour has it, ugt is Universial Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
| 21:36.45 | JoshBorke | there should definitely be places where the environment can knock you off of a ledge |
| 21:37.13 | JoshBorke | what's an easy way to add a 1px black border to a frame? |
| 21:40.00 | Kirov | not really |
| 21:40.06 | Kirov | certainly not reliably |
| 21:41.03 | JoshBorke | so a backdrop wouldn't work then? |
| 21:42.59 | Kirov | it would, but you can't reliably get exactly 1 pixel |
| 21:43.11 | Kirov | Which is why everything in wow is kind of a fuzzy 3-4 pixel |
| 21:43.15 | Kirov | s |
| 21:44.59 | JoshBorke | So really the best bet would be to create a texture 1px larger? |
| 21:45.30 | Beladona | or a frame with a black background, and a texture not black 1px smaller? |
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| 21:46.45 | capitano666 | Hi people |
| 21:47.19 | capitano666 | mmm is there anyone? |
| 21:47.42 | JoshBorke | yea. mmk. textures would be better for displaying just color though, right? |
| 21:47.42 | JoshBorke | and maybe i've been dc'd? |
| 21:48.02 | JoshBorke | yes, there are people |
| 21:48.21 | capitano666 | yay :) |
| 21:49.13 | capitano666 | I was wondering if anyone culded help me to understand a few things about the expansion changes |
| 21:49.23 | capitano666 | *culded |
| 21:49.34 | JoshBorke | we can try, make sure you've read it all first :- |
| 21:49.35 | JoshBorke | :-) |
| 21:49.43 | capitano666 | yeah I did |
| 21:49.52 | capitano666 | example: |
| 21:50.30 | capitano666 | I want a frame that when I click on it it cast the spell X on the "party4" player |
| 21:50.40 | capitano666 | this should still be possible |
| 21:50.42 | JoshBorke | totally doable in wow 2.0 |
| 21:50.42 | cogwheel | yep |
| 21:50.52 | capitano666 | because both spell and target are fixed |
| 21:50.52 | cogwheel | as long as the spell and party member are determined before combat begins |
| 21:51.02 | capitano666 | but how without che cast and target functions? ^_^" |
| 21:51.16 | JoshBorke | it's part of the blizzard API at that point |
| 21:51.22 | cogwheel | that functionality will be built into the frame type |
| 21:51.32 | capitano666 | should I use inherits="SecureUnitButtonTemplate" in the button? |
| 21:52.19 | cogwheel | Either that or SecureActionButtonTemplate |
| 21:52.33 | cogwheel | we don't really know yet 'cause they haven't given us too many specifics on the templates |
| 21:52.43 | capitano666 | ok....but now where do I write with spell and which target? ^_^" |
| 21:52.55 | cogwheel | that's part of what we don't know |
| 21:53.16 | cogwheel | It'll probably be something like button:SetTarget("raid1") for instance |
| 21:53.21 | capitano666 | ah ok good to know it's not my fault :p |
| 21:55.02 | capitano666 | oh and of course the focus can only be changed OOC I assume |
| 21:55.21 | cogwheel | probably not, actually |
| 21:55.44 | cogwheel | though addons probably won't be able to change it |
| 21:55.59 | cogwheel | i.e. you could have a macro /focus target |
| 21:56.02 | cogwheel | and use it in combat |
| 21:56.08 | capitano666 | mmm ok sorry that's what I ment |
| 21:56.37 | capitano666 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:57.40 | Beladona | there will also be a keybind you can set for it |
| 21:57.42 | capitano666 | thanks for the explaination...but now I'm wondering: |
| 21:57.56 | Beladona | i.e. target someone, hit your focus keybind, done, they are your new focus |
| 21:58.21 | capitano666 | what are the templates attributes for if you expect a Button:SetFocus()? |
| 21:58.43 | cogwheel | i was just speculating |
| 21:58.54 | cogwheel | it's possible we'll have to access them through the new SetAttribute method |
| 21:58.56 | capitano666 | ah ok because |
| 21:58.58 | capitano666 | "* SecureActionButtonTemplate, protected, uses attribute "type", which can be one of "action", "pet", "spell", "item", "target", "focus", and "menu", and uses an optional attribute "unit" " |
| 21:59.07 | capitano666 | I expected I had to use some of them |
| 22:00.30 | cogwheel | they may make a SetType method, but it would essentially just be a shortcut to SetAttribute |
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| 22:00.59 | cogwheel | But since they haven't really elaborated on any of this yet, you should take everything i say with a grain of salt :) |
| 22:03.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | hrmm |
| 22:03.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | where's the blizzard talent changes thread? i can't find it anywhere :[ |
| 22:04.20 | cogwheel | it's down atm |
| 22:04.29 | cogwheel | oh thread... |
| 22:04.31 | cogwheel | nm |
| 22:04.36 | cogwheel | thinking "site" for some reason |
| 22:05.29 | Industrial | Rophy: nothing yet |
| 22:05.40 | Industrial | Royal* |
| 22:05.42 | Industrial | hm left |
| 22:08.14 | Maldivia | am I the only one gettting frustrated about all the mis-information people are spreading on the forums ? |
| 22:08.26 | Maldivia | about the 2.0 UI API changes |
| 22:08.34 | cogwheel | Well, I suppose we all saw it coming: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=32108136&sid=1 |
| 22:10.57 | Maldivia | unfortunately, yes :| |
| 22:11.27 | Gryphen | Why care? |
| 22:11.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | they do bring up a point that they should make dispelling and healing at the same time easier to manage for humans |
| 22:12.33 | Maldivia | It's called: organisation |
| 22:12.47 | Maldivia | some handle healing, some handle removing debuffs |
| 22:13.17 | Maldivia | if everyone tries to handle both, it'll just be chaotic, and a waste of mana in the end |
| 22:13.51 | Mery | also its save to assume that they scale the level of difficulty so that it's mass market compatible |
| 22:14.00 | End | how's it a waste of mana? |
| 22:15.01 | Maldivia | because, if people stop healing to dispell, the tanks health will drop too much, and then everone will stop dispelling to try to heal the tank, meaning 10 4k+ heals will land at the same time |
| 22:15.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | well |
| 22:15.07 | End | ah good point |
| 22:15.08 | End | also |
| 22:15.09 | jaxdahl | will aqmount work anymore? it intelligently selected which mount to use in AQ40 |
| 22:15.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | hopefully they'll redesign fights to not NEED mass dispelling |
| 22:15.25 | End | abolish poison, abolish disease will apply even if there are no disease or poison |
| 22:15.36 | Maldivia | yeah |
| 22:15.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah, abolish spells do |
| 22:15.51 | End | I'm not about to put cure poison on my bar though, as I don't have the -room- for it |
| 22:16.13 | cogwheel | jaxdahl: yes. According to a post by slouken, spell casting will be allowed outside of combat |
| 22:16.22 | cogwheel | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15401595&sid=1&pageNo=28#550 |
| 22:16.31 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah, i don't know where i'm gonna get all these extra buttons :/ |
| 22:16.31 | Maldivia | Rabies; that's the no 1 reason, the designers requested this change -- from what's been told, they were tired of having to come up with boss battles that counteres Decursive type addons |
| 22:16.41 | End | so buffing addons will still work? |
| 22:16.55 | Corrodias | in order for a frame to be able to choose what spell to cast out of combat, but cast it during combat, we have to be able to USE CastSpellByName |
| 22:16.58 | cogwheel | end: yes |
| 22:17.00 | Tain | If'n you're against forum petitions sign here |
| 22:17.00 | End | (provided you aren't trying to buff in combat that is...) |
| 22:17.09 | Corrodias | however, i proposed that perhaps the variables we use in it are locked as read-only during combat |
| 22:17.42 | jaxdahl | cogwheel, will targetting+spellcasting work outside of combat? |
| 22:17.54 | cogwheel | jaxdahl: check that link ;) |
| 22:17.55 | Maldivia | Corr: in combat, we can't use CastSpellByName, these are called by the secure code attached to the templates |
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| 22:18.17 | Maldivia | Corr: and we choose the spells that are cast, using the SetAttribute function on that button, out-of-combat |
| 22:18.23 | End | I think the designers should worry more about making fun and worthwhile encounters ;p mass curse fights never seemed fun to me |
| 22:18.27 | Corrodias | setattribute? |
| 22:18.33 | Corrodias | well that would be fine |
| 22:18.57 | Eufe|Home | heya...can some1 give me link to the itemId list? I misplaced my bookmark :( |
| 22:19.16 | cogwheel | Eufe|Home: are you looking for Periodic Table? |
| 22:19.18 | Maldivia | Corr: for example, to assign left click which control is hold down, to cast Flash Heal on unit "raid12" you do: |
| 22:19.20 | jaxdahl | will i be able to have perfectraid style frames set up where i can click a player once to target them, then if they are targetted, clicking again will cleanse them? |
| 22:19.44 | jaxdahl | (while in combat) |
| 22:19.47 | cogwheel | jaxdahl: you should be able to do that in one click |
| 22:19.49 | Maldivia | frame:SetAttribute("ctrl-unit1", "raid12") frame:SetAttribute("ctrl-type1", "spell") frame:SetAttribute("ctrl-spell1", "Flash Heal") |
| 22:19.52 | Corrodias | well, rather, you mean "cast flash heal on unit <what i'm moused over>", right? |
| 22:19.55 | jaxdahl | hm |
| 22:19.57 | Eufe|Home | cogwheel: I need itemId of the Blessed mana oil |
| 22:19.58 | End | I haven't been paying a lot of attention...but..is the possibility of raid ids changing still a concern? |
| 22:20.14 | jaxdahl | 1 click = even better |
| 22:20.21 | Maldivia | Corr: if you want "what my mouse is over", you use the unit "mouseover" :) |
| 22:20.27 | Corrodias | excellent |
| 22:20.36 | cogwheel | Eufe|Home: hmm... not sure... sorry :( |
| 22:20.59 | cogwheel | jaxdahl: it's called click-casting and is something that's been talked about for the last few days on the forums :P |
| 22:21.15 | Corrodias | now here's something that popped up into my mind: i have a "main tanks' targets" display, which shows my main tanks, their health, and their targets. i can click on the targets display to target the tanks' targets. will this still be doable, i wonder? |
| 22:21.18 | jaxdahl | still need something for range-checking |
| 22:21.27 | Maldivia | Corr: yes it wil |
| 22:21.32 | Corrodias | because that target display will keep changing |
| 22:21.36 | jaxdahl | target and target-target will still work |
| 22:21.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm still not happy at all about my addons being nerfed, but i'm not acting like it's the end of the world, because i'm sure some smart minds will be able to circumvent it |
| 22:21.41 | End | can't you use raidblahtarget? |
| 22:21.48 | Maldivia | Corr: the units dont change, since it's alwats raid12target and raid12targettarget |
| 22:21.59 | Maldivia | Corr: if raid12 is your MT, that is |
| 22:22.11 | End | anyways, you won't be able to change main tanks though in combat |
| 22:22.19 | Corrodias | they -are- going to lock the clients' "raid#" definitions during combat, right? |
| 22:22.29 | End | I hope so |
| 22:22.29 | Maldivia | I certainly hope so |
| 22:22.34 | Corrodias | raid12 will stay raid12 throughout the fight. it better. :) |
| 22:22.38 | Corrodias | *had better |
| 22:22.42 | End | otherwise, that's going to be bad |
| 22:22.47 | capitano666 | haha |
| 22:23.09 | Corrodias | all you'd have to do to wipe the raid on a boss is leave the group :) |
| 22:23.11 | Maldivia | well, currently raid units stay the same, unless someone joins/leaves the raid |
| 22:23.48 | End | yeah |
| 22:23.52 | End | but that's still a problem |
| 22:24.54 | cogwheel | I was originally thinking they could make the units be updateable on RAID_ROSTER_UPDATE but that could be exploitable by having someone outside the raid be invited/kicked whenever they wanted to make some change during combat... |
| 22:25.16 | capitano666 | leaving chan, see you later |
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| 22:25.18 | End | you were pinged quite a while ago I think Iriel |
| 22:26.43 | Maldivia | cogwheel: yeah, was thinking the same. An alternative would be, if we could specify names instead of units, and then the names would auto-translate to the correct unit, if that person was in your group/raid |
| 22:27.27 | Corrodias | whatever they do, they won't leave us with everything breaking if someone joins during a battle |
| 22:27.36 | Plorkyeran | Wow |
| 22:27.36 | Cairenn | Iriel |
| 22:27.37 | Plorkyeran | http://cgi.ebay.com/WoW-World-of-Warcraft-60-HUNTER-Epic-PvP-7-9-TIER-3_W0QQitemZ200034996164QQihZ010QQcategoryZ4596QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 22:27.40 | Corrodias | well. probably not. |
| 22:27.40 | Plorkyeran | $4000 |
| 22:30.05 | Xuerian | Holy... |
| 22:30.15 | Maldivia | cogwheel: for instance, a unit like "[cogwheel]target", would auto translate to "raid23target", if you were in the raid (and had id 23) |
| 22:30.41 | cogwheel | that wolud be very nice :) |
| 22:30.51 | Iriel | The 'secure raid header' templates will hopefully address both rearranging and growing/shrinking raids. |
| 22:31.23 | Plorkyeran | Perhaps it'll autochange the registered unit when the raid changes |
| 22:31.31 | Maldivia | Iriel: yeah, but what about tank list, with target and targettarget ?:) |
| 22:31.42 | cogwheel | Plorkyeran: that would seem prudent |
| 22:31.52 | Iriel | I suppose that depends on how you determine who the tanks are. |
| 22:32.01 | Mery | how come you are so worried about inviting / leaving during combat? - it really nearly never happened in my groups |
| 22:32.15 | Iriel | I can imagine solutions that would work, and solutions that would require things we've had taken away. |
| 22:32.20 | cogwheel | Mery: it's just one of those things :) |
| 22:32.26 | Plorkyeran | Because wiping because someone left the group would be really, really stupid |
| 22:32.31 | Corrodias | Mery: because it -can- happen |
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| 22:32.55 | Corrodias | you don't leave holes in your code just because you don't think someone's going to try it :) that's why Internet Explorer is always being patched >_> |
| 22:33.37 | Plorkyeran | You do a lot of the time |
| 22:33.48 | Corrodias | i never do. if i think of it. |
| 22:33.53 | Abenadi | so, /target 'name' will still work in BC, right? |
| 22:33.58 | Plorkyeran | More important to work on fixes holes you know people will abuse than holes you think people won't abuse |
| 22:34.05 | Maldivia | Abenadi: yes |
| 22:34.22 | Plorkyeran | And nearly any large product will have bugs in the first category |
| 22:34.28 | Corrodias | that's NOT an excuse. |
| 22:34.34 | Abenadi | would it theoretically be possible then to circumvent the no-logic targeting by using EditMacro(...) to change the target |
| 22:34.39 | Kirkburn | Did you know? Tigons are real creatures: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tigon |
| 22:34.50 | cogwheel | Abenadi: not in combat |
| 22:34.57 | Abenadi | is editmacro protected or? |
| 22:35.03 | cogwheel | As mentioned explicitly in the stickies, yes |
| 22:35.07 | Corrodias | i can't imagine it wouldn't be |
| 22:35.17 | cogwheel | no need to imagine... |
| 22:35.17 | Plorkyeran | Software that's never released is completly useless, while buggy and insecure software is merely sometimes useless |
| 22:35.18 | Abenadi | OK i did a quick search on the wowinterface thread and didn't come up with a hit |
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| 22:35.35 | Abenadi | so hey at least I TRIED kind of, cog |
| 22:35.36 | Abenadi | =P |
| 22:35.39 | cogwheel | :) |
| 22:35.44 | Maldivia | Abenadi: use the "next blizard post" in the concise list :) |
| 22:36.14 | cogwheel | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15401595&sid=1&pageNo=7#134 |
| 22:36.28 | Kirkburn | About that ebay link - I find it amazing that by typing a 'disclaimer' the guy thinks he's somehow protected from a lawsuit :/ |
| 22:37.15 | Abenadi | I read in the blue posts that macros will still be able to do multiple /casts in a row (useful for /cast revenge /cast sunder etc). Will the scripted buttons be able to have more than one spell attached as well? |
| 22:37.26 | Plorkyeran | Why would he be in danger of a lawsuit? All they do is ban sold accounts and /laugh at the buyer |
| 22:37.28 | Corrodias | i wonder if he can be sued for a EULA or ToS violation |
| 22:37.32 | Corrodias | but the account is in danger |
| 22:37.43 | Plorkyeran | The disclaimer does do nothing, though |
| 22:37.55 | Kirkburn | Yeah that was more my point :P |
| 22:37.56 | cogwheel | Abenadi: they'll be able to have macros on them that can do multiple /casts |
| 22:38.06 | Abenadi | ah makes sense |
| 22:38.17 | Kirkburn | "By bidding on, inquiring about, or viewing this auction you are stating that you are in NO way affiliated with Blizzard Entertainment..." |
| 22:38.20 | cogwheel | but they won't be able to run scripts with any CastSpell.... functions in combat |
| 22:38.26 | Plorkyeran | It's not like there's very many 7/9 crypthunter trolls in the game to check :P |
| 22:38.31 | Kirkburn | Specifically "or viewing" ... er, riight |
| 22:38.32 | cogwheel | Kirkburn: lol |
| 22:38.35 | Plorkyeran | Err, cryptstalker |
| 22:38.52 | cogwheel | Warning: Readers of this sign will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law |
| 22:39.09 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 22:39.10 | Plorkyeran | Well, that is true |
| 22:39.12 | Xuerian | Kirkburn: Judging by most any corp site today the rest of the claims would be supported though ;) |
| 22:39.33 | Plorkyeran | They'll be prosecuted to the not all extent the law allows :P |
| 22:39.41 | Xuerian | "By continuing past this page you agree too....." |
| 22:39.50 | Xuerian | s/too/to/ |
| 22:40.07 | Kirkburn | Xuerian, big difference between a confirmation and a lack of confirmation, though :) |
| 22:40.28 | Plorkyeran | Even the ones with confirmation have been found worthless |
| 22:40.29 | Xuerian | True, that's why I only said the rest of the claims :P |
| 22:40.36 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 22:40.58 | Plorkyeran | The warez sites with those disclaimers have still been successfully sued |
| 22:41.04 | Kirkburn | I see the tactic appears to be to imply that he's selling the character, but saying the opposite in the disclaimer |
| 22:41.22 | Xuerian | He's advertising a property of the account he is infact selling. |
| 22:41.24 | Xuerian | 0_o |
| 22:41.28 | Kirkburn | Of course. You can't disclaim something illegal |
| 22:41.34 | Xuerian | Property not literal, of course |
| 22:41.45 | Kirkburn | "By agreeing to go past this line, I am allowed to shoot you" :) |
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| 22:43.11 | Plorkyeran | Even if it's disclaiming something legal, they don't work due to that you can't prove that they actually agreed to it, and that they didn't just end up at the later page |
| 22:43.37 | Kirkburn | Ooh, for 2.0 you can't reload the UI in combat? |
| 22:43.47 | Kirkburn | Plorkyeran, indeed |
| 22:43.52 | Maldivia | Kirkburn: you can |
| 22:43.55 | cogwheel | Plorkyeran: there are ways around that, though |
| 22:44.01 | Maldivia | if I read the latest correctly... |
| 22:44.20 | Kirkburn | "Trading and reloading the UI: allowed if interactive" ... what does 'interactive' mean in this case? |
| 22:44.22 | Plorkyeran | EULAs are non-binding, and it's actually possible to force agreement to install the software with them |
| 22:44.41 | Maldivia | hardware event, I'd thiunk |
| 22:44.43 | Mery | Kirkburn: I'd assume hardware event |
| 22:45.00 | Kirkburn | Ah, makes sense - he was talking about addons (which I forgot to think about) |
| 22:47.09 | Iriel | Yes, interactive means "hardware event" |
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| 23:02.25 | Maldivia | cogwheel: you were in search for pain and suffering |
| 23:02.33 | cogwheel | ~dict masochist |
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| 23:05.23 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:05.38 | abug1 | ~dict frigid |
| 23:05.46 | Cairenn | I want our forum back |
| 23:06.14 | Maldivia | let's take over the General forums, since general seems to have invaded ours... |
| 23:06.20 | Cairenn | heh |
| 23:06.25 | Iriel | Hey guys, I want to be able to target any one of the 30 mobs in a room with a single keypress... apparently healers are the only class that have to target selected units out of a group. |
| 23:06.52 | Cairenn | naw, I'll just stick with my refugee over at WoWI |
| 23:06.55 | Cairenn | Iriel: rofl |
| 23:07.02 | Iriel | I didn't realize until now that, by using my mouse to target, i've been playing my class all wrong. |
| 23:07.39 | abug1 | healing one's pet sure is hard |
| 23:07.40 | Cairenn | oops, me thinks they've managed to even push Iriel to his patience's limit ... and that takes work |
| 23:08.01 | Cairenn | abug1: don't push it |
| 23:08.04 | Iriel | I dont heal, I attack. |
| 23:08.20 | Iriel | but the 'selection' problem is not really thatmuch different |
| 23:08.27 | Tain | I've heard of this, "Heal" thing |
| 23:08.40 | Tain | I play a rogue though, I don't think I've ever gotten one. |
| 23:08.47 | Iriel | If anything these changes put healers in greater demand with better appreciation for good ones |
| 23:09.01 | Corrodias | some of these people are insane. they think they have to bind keys to heal -every single person- in their 40-man raids. 40 keybinds per spell. |
| 23:09.04 | Corrodias | they honestly believe this. |
| 23:09.31 | Tain | Yeah Iriel but there's also the effect of losing healers because the mediocre ones could get by with automated help. |
| 23:09.50 | Iriel | supply/demand, those who want to play the big instances and dont mind healing will step up |
| 23:09.51 | Tain | I'm not suggesting that's a bad thing, but healing is at a premium as it is most of the time. |
| 23:09.53 | Corrodias | i'd rather have mediocre help that works than a few gifted healers overworked to burnout, myself |
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| 23:10.32 | Mery | I think that is why Blizzard now refuses to give out patch notes before the PTR goes live... sadly someone leaked that info wich might have lead to givign it out so much ahead of BC release |
| 23:11.13 | Corrodias | i guess i don't follow this closely enough to comment on that |
| 23:11.17 | Iriel | if your guild is burinng out healers, maybe they need more healers in a raid or need to strategize healing more effectively? |
| 23:11.48 | Iriel | If I didn't know better i'd assume that all healers fully automate their life and just spend their time hitting one of 4 or 5 buttons through a raid until it's over |
| 23:11.54 | Iriel | occasoinally moving to stay in or out of range |
| 23:11.56 | Tain | It's that that simple though. There aren't as many people who want to play healers as other classes. |
| 23:12.10 | abug | sounds like playing a dps class |
| 23:12.35 | Maldivia | 3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,next target,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3 -- go go frost mage... |
| 23:13.16 | Tain | I'm not really trying to argue that too much automation is good. But I do think the consequences will actually be less healers overall, rather than people just threatening to quit like every other change. |
| 23:13.16 | Corrodias | Iriel: some of them do just hit one button over and over |
| 23:13.28 | Mery | When we first killed Onyxia we had healing partners to split whom to heal and when to heal ( to allow mana regeneration ), all easily possible with nobody crying about too much work |
| 23:13.28 | Iriel | Why even play at that point? |
| 23:13.52 | Corrodias | Mery: that's a fantastic way of doing it. |
| 23:14.11 | Tain | Well really most classes on 40 man raids do just hit a couple of buttons over and over again. |
| 23:14.15 | Beladona | I don't think it will be that bad, and as Iriel pointed out, the negative impacts of the change affect everyone. Not just healers. I do a lot of target swapping |
| 23:14.29 | Beladona | but I do it with my mouse |
| 23:14.42 | Tain | And see I would use a mouse less if I could. |
| 23:15.27 | Tain | I'm not going to complain about it though, it is what it is and I'm not silly enough to think the way I play the game matters to the overall health of the game. |
| 23:15.53 | Iriel | Really though, a well formulated raid could allow a healer a handufl of direct bindings to the main recipients of healing, and longer binding sequences for the rest (or just click for the rest) |
| 23:16.10 | Iriel | If ONE healer has to manage the health of 39 other people then something's just broken |
| 23:16.58 | Tain | No, it's usually more like 4-5 healers all having to keep one main tank up, plus the rest of their groups. |
| 23:16.59 | Corrodias | damn straight |
| 23:17.16 | Corrodias | organization is key in raids. hitting one button over and over doesn't cut it. |
| 23:17.26 | Beladona | which is a balance issue that WILL be considered |
| 23:17.33 | Plorkyeran | The problem is there's a lot of guilds where they don't bother to assign healers |
| 23:17.47 | Plorkyeran | And tell them to all just keep the raid alive |
| 23:17.53 | abug | there are cases though where you'd want someone healing the whole raid, like a tree of life druid in the expansion |
| 23:18.01 | Plorkyeran | Which very quickly results in people looking for ways to automate it :P |
| 23:18.05 | Tain | In the mean time I'm in the City of Villains costume creation screen right now. Well and for the last hour. |
| 23:18.27 | Corrodias | in ZG, our healers communicate on a separate channel, and are assigned specific targets |
| 23:18.38 | Maldivia | Tain: can't decide which color spandex you should wear? |
| 23:18.40 | Plorkyeran | I spent longer making my character in CoH than playing it |
| 23:18.50 | Plorkyeran | About twice as long |
| 23:18.51 | Tain | It's a game in and of itself, Plorkyeran. |
| 23:18.54 | Corrodias | and people are encouraged to bandage themselves if they have the chance |
| 23:19.03 | Plorkyeran | I also spent longer installing it than playing |
| 23:19.16 | Maldivia | corr: agree |
| 23:19.18 | Tain | Although I've now gotten my costume, now to find a name that gets through. |
| 23:20.02 | Maldivia | Tain: Taintless Steel? |
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| 23:21.09 | Corrodias | hot carl |
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| 23:42.29 | Mery | Tauruse should go back to the general forum. |
| 23:44.55 | Mery | anyway good night |
| 23:58.35 | Corrodias | wow, freenode is pretty forgiving on connection timeouts |
| 23:58.42 | Corrodias | i just rebooted my router and it didn't disconnect me |