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| 00:01.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's been patched warla, but for a good month or 2, health pots, traveler's backpacks, and DM books were worthless |
| 00:01.35 | End | mana pots were more noticably affected than health pots |
| 00:01.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | on our server both were pretty worthless |
| 00:01.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | not like i use either |
| 00:02.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | 5 combat pots and 10 pvp pots is more than i need |
| 00:02.40 | End | I don't pvp enough to keep my rank :P |
| 00:03.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'll prob lose 7 this week |
| 00:05.13 | Corrodias | ohboy! our ZG night has one warrior |
| 00:05.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | get a drood |
| 00:05.29 | Corrodias | i'm really not well suited for tanking |
| 00:06.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've got terrible tanking stats on my druid |
| 00:06.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | only like 600 AP in bear |
| 00:06.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | well |
| 00:06.20 | Corrodias | 5k armor, 4.4k health, unbuffed, for meee :( |
| 00:06.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | terrible aggro holding, assuming |
| 00:06.30 | End | I havd 13k armor |
| 00:06.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | but i hold aggro fine with maul |
| 00:06.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | cause of the talent, i suppose |
| 00:06.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | i've got like 12k armor and 7000 health self buffed or something |
| 00:07.06 | End | yeah, I have the talent |
| 00:07.19 | End | my health is only 6k self buffed unfortunately |
| 00:07.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | i hold more steady aggro than most wars |
| 00:07.30 | End | I'm not deeply feral though |
| 00:07.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm 12/34/5 |
| 00:07.38 | End | just enough to get feral charge, thick hide, and feral aggression |
| 00:08.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | get ferocity |
| 00:08.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | i skipped feral agression and thick hide |
| 00:08.23 | End | erm |
| 00:08.23 | Xuerian | Am I the only 46/5 in existence? >_> |
| 00:08.24 | End | actually |
| 00:08.29 | End | it's feral instinct I have |
| 00:08.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | ah |
| 00:08.34 | End | I think |
| 00:08.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | 0/46/5 xue? |
| 00:08.51 | End | they all have feral in the name dammit |
| 00:09.00 | Xuerian | Yeah, Rabies |
| 00:09.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | eh |
| 00:09.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'd rather have omen than thick hide and the bash talent |
| 00:09.52 | End | I have ferocity, feral intinct, bash, 4/5 thick hide, and feral charge |
| 00:09.57 | Xuerian | Yea, makes sense, but I've found both of those make up for the lack of omen... I should try some other builds :P |
| 00:10.03 | End | rest is in resto, since that's mostly what I do |
| 00:10.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | woops, i'm 14/32/5 |
| 00:10.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | i was thinking about 12/34/5 |
| 00:10.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/druid/talents.html?01400530100000005050021303222151050000000000000 |
| 00:10.20 | End | my feral talents are for the "oh shit, we don't have enough warriors" times |
| 00:10.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | i coulnt live without heart of the wild |
| 00:10.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | i love that talent so much |
| 00:10.49 | End | I miss heart of the wild |
| 00:10.52 | Xuerian | Sounds like my healing gear, "Oh shit, we don't have enough healers" times :P |
| 00:10.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | best 3 points i ever spend |
| 00:11.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | spent |
| 00:11.07 | End | I'm respeccing when the xpac comes out I think |
| 00:11.20 | End | my resto gear is starting to make my resto talents look weak anyways |
| 00:11.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | my healing gear is "hey, this is about to get sharded, you want it?" "siiiigh, there goes the quick strike ring" |
| 00:11.29 | Xuerian | Hell, all the healers in my guild went enough feral for HotW |
| 00:11.41 | Xuerian | lol, That's much more accurate Rabies XD |
| 00:12.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | but it was cool in my other guild |
| 00:12.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | all the other druids were priests in leather |
| 00:12.21 | abug | none of the healers in my guild wanted the wand off razuvious so I took it as a warlock for wand damage |
| 00:12.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | so i got free reign on all the feral gear after warriors, hunters and rogues had their pickings at it :/ |
| 00:12.36 | End | some of the druids in my guild wear more cloth than leather :X |
| 00:12.43 | End | one is a chicken though :-/ |
| 00:12.43 | Xuerian | Same with my current guild =\ |
| 00:12.46 | Xuerian | Cloth? Wtf? |
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| 00:12.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | eh |
| 00:13.05 | Xuerian | Leather can almost match cloth in +Heal/regen ;P |
| 00:13.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | for raiding its not a big deal, or moon chicken |
| 00:13.19 | Mr_Rabies2 | some cloth sets have as much or more armor than leather |
| 00:13.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | pisses me off :[ |
| 00:13.29 | End | like ironweave? |
| 00:13.31 | End | or whatever |
| 00:13.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | if we could wear ironweave, we'd be godly |
| 00:13.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah |
| 00:13.36 | End | the stuff in lbrs |
| 00:13.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | there's more too |
| 00:13.49 | End | it has more armor than my tier2 leather |
| 00:13.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.thottbot.com/?i=53703 |
| 00:14.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | that makes me sad |
| 00:14.03 | Corrodias | man, my out-of-date perfectraid has a few annoying bugs. i need to update. |
| 00:14.15 | End | almost as much armor probably as my tanking leather come to think of it... |
| 00:14.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's more armor than malfurion's |
| 00:14.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | malf's is 392 |
| 00:14.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's the highest AC item below mail armor in the game |
| 00:15.23 | Xuerian | Holy hell, what a jip! |
| 00:15.42 | End | bizarre |
| 00:15.43 | End | ... |
| 00:15.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | sometimes i think there's some kind of secret conspiracy of itemization |
| 00:16.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | "wow, this item would rock for a druid" "heheheh bob, guess what, we're making it class specific to casters only" "oh, jim, you son of a bitch, you're brilliant" |
| 00:16.46 | Xuerian | >.< |
| 00:17.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | someone needs to make a parody of the video of the indian guy crying when someone throws litter out of their window |
| 00:17.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | make it a crying malfurion zoomed in right after a shaman gets an end of dreams |
| 00:18.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://youtube.com/watch?v=vQcKtpJfOmQ this one |
| 00:19.36 | abug | http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/3877/warlockmegatank9sf.jpg |
| 00:20.02 | chuckg | That guy is in my guild. |
| 00:20.16 | abug | he rocks |
| 00:20.16 | chuckg | It relies on having Soul Link and someone healing his pet. |
| 00:20.45 | chuckg | It's not "true" mitigation, but he can take some swings. |
| 00:21.03 | End | very interesting |
| 00:21.15 | Xuerian | heh, very nice idea o_0 |
| 00:21.19 | abug | I've been gathering defense gear, but I think I should've done ac instead |
| 00:21.31 | chuckg | AC>Sta>Agi>Defense. |
| 00:21.33 | chuckg | That's the way to go. |
| 00:21.42 | Corrodias | yeah, my perfectraid needs a serious update, lol |
| 00:22.13 | Corrodias | tell me, does the newest version let you put a background behind it? |
| 00:22.28 | chuckg | No. |
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| 00:22.31 | chuckg | I miss it. |
| 00:22.35 | chuckg | And there he is, abug. |
| 00:22.38 | vultaru | lol what |
| 00:23.07 | Corrodias | lol damn :( i need a background behind it |
| 00:23.16 | Corrodias | guess maybe i have to make my own addon that puts up a black box... |
| 00:23.20 | abug | was just linking an old pic of you |
| 00:23.28 | vulture- | how old |
| 00:23.36 | chuckg | http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/3877/warlockmegatank9sf.jpg |
| 00:23.39 | abug | before the new forums |
| 00:24.00 | vulture- | yeah that's an old shot |
| 00:24.01 | deci | i miss Lyra |
| 00:24.08 | chuckg | Never say that, ever Deci. |
| 00:24.15 | abug | what's your gear now? |
| 00:24.19 | vulture- | http://www.cs.iastate.edu/~vulture/WoW/warlockmegatanktwo.jpg <-- newer (but still not newest, got some more epixx) |
| 00:24.21 | chuckg | That's akin to "I miss black plague" |
| 00:24.33 | deci | http://www.psyonix.net/savor/lyradance.gif |
| 00:24.58 | abug | is the nef neck better than the medallion? |
| 00:25.02 | vulture- | yeah |
| 00:25.24 | vulture- | its like +15 stam or something |
| 00:25.26 | abug | and is there anything better than the cloak? |
| 00:25.28 | vulture- | and +ac |
| 00:25.35 | vulture- | cryptfiend silk cloak |
| 00:25.45 | vulture- | except our guildmaster keeps giving it to warriors instead of me =/ |
| 00:25.57 | abug | heh |
| 00:26.13 | Corrodias | i need a background behind perfectraid. why does someone think it's easy to read those numbers? argh! |
| 00:27.12 | chuckg | They made the deficitis larger by default. |
| 00:27.16 | chuckg | And the textures are better now, too |
| 00:27.21 | abug | which wand is that? |
| 00:27.22 | chuckg | But I agree. |
| 00:27.28 | Corrodias | cool |
| 00:27.36 | Corrodias | so i'll slap a background behind it and everything will be cake |
| 00:28.51 | Corrodias | i take it that when it highlights someone, they have a debuff i can cure. sweet. |
| 00:29.02 | Corrodias | i'll miss decursive's click-to-cure thing all the less |
| 00:29.46 | chuckg | You can remove that, I'm not fond of it. |
| 00:30.53 | vulture- | well, actually, I'm using a 6agi/6int wand but I've been debating using stormrage over it for +8stam |
| 00:31.10 | vulture- | since 12agi/.30%dodge isnt huge mitdiff for me anymore |
| 00:31.20 | vulture- | err, 12ac |
| 00:32.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | <vulture-> http://www.cs.iastate.edu/~vulture/WoW/warlockmegatanktwo.jpg |
| 00:32.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | this screen |
| 00:32.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | makes me cry |
| 00:33.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | you should get tankpoints vulture |
| 00:35.23 | Plorkyeran | Is the account management page not working for anyone else? |
| 00:35.47 | End | hmm |
| 00:35.48 | End | wtf |
| 00:36.05 | End | MinimapCluster:SetScale(2) does strange things |
| 00:36.17 | vulture- | lol |
| 00:36.35 | vulture- | I technically have enough hp/mitigation/redirection to tank patchwerk now |
| 00:37.02 | vulture- | and we calculated that I could be a 3rd offtank for patch by chain summoning VW's between 2-3 HS's |
| 00:37.39 | Plorkyeran | Only four hours of shard farming per kill :P |
| 00:38.08 | Corrodias | hmm. no, perfectraid highlights anyone with a debuff, it seems. that's less useful. |
| 00:38.43 | vulture- | think I'd only have to use 10-15 shards |
| 00:38.48 | vulture- | depends on how good our healers are |
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| 01:00.49 | Shadowed | Gone for a week, and hell breaks loose on the UI forums |
| 01:01.53 | Kirov | Shadowed - rumor has it for 2.1 Blizzard is moving the UI to visual basic |
| 01:02.02 | Shadowed | lol |
| 01:02.05 | Shadowed | should start that rumor |
| 01:02.31 | Corrodias | lmao |
| 01:02.52 | Corrodias | i think with a decent raid frame, i won't miss the click-to-target stuff too much at all |
| 01:03.31 | Kirov | The reason? "It's visual basic... we only want the UI to do visual changes with no actual functionality. Visual basic, as it's name says, is a basic way of dealing with visuals." |
| 01:03.36 | Shadowed | Anyone worked with Ace-DB before? running into a fun issue with trying to add new configuration to SCT :/ |
| 01:04.28 | Corrodias | SCT. i need to update my SCT, too. |
| 01:04.43 | Corrodias | in a busy game i can be flooded with so many messages above my head i can't even see what i'm doing |
| 01:05.08 | Shadowed | swiched mine to alternating and turned the speeds to max, couldn't see anything on my fury warrior |
| 01:06.37 | Corrodias | i'll try "angling down - alternating" |
| 01:06.47 | Shadowed | i neverliked that |
| 01:07.24 | Corrodias | what do you use? "altnernating" is a substyle in my version |
| 01:07.55 | Corrodias | your "animation type", if they didn't revamp the options enough to get rid of that |
| 01:08.12 | Shadowed | swec |
| 01:08.29 | Shadowed | broke my SCT configuration, so i can't tell you! |
| 01:08.54 | Corrodias | lol |
| 01:10.42 | Corrodias | i think i'm happy using the normal vertical one but moving it down so it's not obstructing my view so much |
| 01:11.06 | Shadowed | why must SCT use AceDB, why can't it just use normal configuration :/ |
| 01:16.20 | Corrodias | i don't know that my old version uses acedb |
| 01:16.34 | Shadowed | SCT uses ace in 5.0 |
| 01:17.04 | Corrodias | interesting. i can't /sct to open my options while i'm dead. |
| 01:17.29 | Corrodias | i'm using v4.131 |
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| 01:21.50 | Corrodias | i tried switching to 5 once but it was too different and i wasn't in the mood to screw with it |
| 01:25.37 | Guillotine | Quick question: what would the script be to find the icon used by the buff you are mousing over? |
| 01:29.28 | Corrodias | NO IDEA |
| 01:29.34 | Corrodias | er, capslock is push-to-talk key |
| 01:32.50 | Plorkyeran | Probably not a very good choice :P |
| 01:33.16 | Corrodias | WHY DO YOU SAY THAT LOL.. just kidding. i held shift that time. |
| 01:35.26 | Plorkyeran | ... |
| 01:35.32 | Plorkyeran | I just got killed by PoM Scorch |
| 01:36.16 | End | lol |
| 01:36.37 | Plorkyeran | I suppose it saves some mana |
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| 01:49.59 | Guillotine | woohoo! finally got PR to show rejuv and regrowth |
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| 02:01.49 | Xuerian | Oh? o.o |
| 02:29.33 | Corrodias | god damn ridiculous lag during a boss fight! |
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| 02:31.55 | AnduinLothar | GetMouseFocus():GetTexture() |
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| 04:14.06 | Cairenn|afk | malreth: you know we'll host it and happily |
| 04:14.14 | Cairenn|afk | errr, nm |
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| 04:14.57 | malreth | rawr |
| 04:15.34 | Cairenn|afk | hi malreth |
| 04:16.33 | malreth | Lady, Cairenn. How does this evening find you? |
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| 04:17.15 | Cairenn|afk | numb |
| 04:17.30 | malreth | numb? why numb? |
| 04:18.05 | Cairenn|afk | got a phone call a number of hours ago that one of my best friends died of a massive heart attack last night |
| 04:18.10 | Cairenn|afk | and I'm ... numb |
| 04:18.39 | malreth | oh no... |
| 04:18.46 | malreth | my condolences |
| 04:18.57 | Cairenn|afk | guy was like a brother to my husband, an uncle to our daughter |
| 04:19.05 | Cairenn|afk | thanks |
| 04:19.29 | malreth | I recently lost my grandfather to heart disease. |
| 04:19.45 | Cairenn|afk | I'm very sorry to hear that :( |
| 04:20.46 | malreth | well, he lived a full life. |
| 04:21.02 | malreth | and he was a fighter until the end |
| 04:21.12 | Cairenn|afk | It's still hard to lose someone you love |
| 04:21.29 | malreth | yes, it is |
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| 04:22.15 | ckknight | hey all |
| 04:22.23 | Cairenn|afk | or rather ... it usually is ... why am I feeling nothing? |
| 04:22.25 | Cairenn|afk | hi ckknight |
| 04:23.12 | malreth | psychologically, it is difficult for the mind to deal with death |
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| 04:25.40 | malreth | everytime, it's different |
| 04:28.28 | ScytheBlade1 | What's this I'm hearing about them actually breaking decursive in the expansion? |
| 04:29.07 | Miravlix | You will last longer if you learn the difference between fact and fiction |
| 04:29.18 | ScytheBlade1 | See, that's what I told people |
| 04:29.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Unless of course, you're talking to someone else |
| 04:29.47 | malreth | purl, burning crusade |
| 04:29.48 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, burning crusade is an expansion pack for the successful MMO, World of Warcraft, by Blizzard. Reportedly, it will break all addons, add Tauren priests, not allow you to target anyone, cast any spells, use any weapons, heal any friends, randomly curse you and 25 of your friends and 25 of their friends, chat, log off, use web browers, ... |
| 04:30.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Then about six people that generally know what they're talking about |
| 04:30.22 | ScytheBlade1 | All ganged up on me and said "they're breaking the ability to cast spells, even via hardware events" |
| 04:30.53 | malreth | they're overreacting |
| 04:31.15 | ScytheBlade1 | One person, I'm going to disregard |
| 04:31.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Three guilds means something though |
| 04:31.44 | Cairenn|afk | ScytheBlade1: answer me this |
| 04:32.07 | Cairenn|afk | ScytheBlade1: how many of them are addon authors that can actually read and understand all the technical details that have been and continue to be posted? |
| 04:32.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Of them all, one |
| 04:32.28 | ScytheBlade1 | And he's the reason I wtf'd and asked in here |
| 04:32.35 | Cairenn|afk | he's over reacting |
| 04:32.59 | malreth | agreed |
| 04:33.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Or just clueless concerning how it actually *works* down there |
| 04:33.49 | Cairenn|afk | it isn't even to beta yet, let alone to PTRs, I highly doubt that a) they are finished yet and b) all the information is actually out yet |
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| 04:36.40 | Cairenn|afk | ScytheBlade1: I've no doubt it'll be okay in the end |
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| 04:36.58 | mjc | http://325i.org/wow/images/current.png |
| 04:36.59 | mjc | :P |
| 04:37.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Cairenn|afk, and that's what I was thinking. It was just the whole "three top-tier guilds are saying otherwise" that threw me for a loop |
| 04:37.15 | Cairenn|afk | yeah |
| 04:37.44 | malreth | just because they're in top guilds doesn't mean they can't be mistaken |
| 04:38.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Indeed |
| 04:38.09 | ScytheBlade1 | As in this case, they all are ;) |
| 04:38.15 | ScytheBlade1 | It just threw me for a loop |
| 04:38.41 | Cairenn|afk | at least you came to somewhere *factual* to find out what the real deal is :) |
| 04:38.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, this is true ;) |
| 04:39.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Really, decursive is a for loop, for loop, CastSpell(), with a bit more thrown in to make it spicy and nice |
| 04:41.52 | Miravlix | Well decursive dies every patch |
| 04:42.00 | Miravlix | It's a tradition now someome says that |
| 04:42.13 | Miravlix | Just ignore it and move on. |
| 04:42.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Indeec |
| 04:42.22 | ScytheBlade1 | s/c/d/ |
| 04:43.12 | Miravlix | The supposedly Blizzard decursive 'hate' seems to have created a lot of fanatism heat towards decursive. |
| 04:43.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 04:43.28 | Miravlix | But it seems to me Blizzards solution was the mana cost change |
| 04:44.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Which really did nothing ;) |
| 04:44.14 | Miravlix | It did eveyrthing |
| 04:44.26 | Miravlix | I can run a shaman out of mana if he purges to much |
| 04:44.38 | ScytheBlade1 | You a druid? |
| 04:44.46 | Miravlix | It's not a free lunch anymore |
| 04:44.51 | Miravlix | Yes |
| 04:44.58 | ScytheBlade1 | I have an *amazing* druid friend |
| 04:45.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Spams rank 1 moonfire in paladins just to get them to cleanse it |
| 04:45.22 | Miravlix | Rev on myself rank 1 |
| 04:45.37 | Miravlix | Shammy purges, re aply, shammy purges, etc. |
| 04:45.51 | Miravlix | Shammy looks dumb as his purge button doesn't work. |
| 04:45.53 | Miravlix | Shammy dies |
| 04:45.55 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm a mage... 121 mana is nothing for my decurse |
| 04:45.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Which is an actual decurse |
| 04:46.19 | Miravlix | 200 mana for over time poison. |
| 04:46.34 | Miravlix | 124 for remove curse |
| 04:47.21 | ScytheBlade1 | I will say this.. I think it always should have been this high or higher |
| 04:47.28 | ScytheBlade1 | What it was before? No skill/thought at all |
| 04:49.39 | Miravlix | It was some 50 mana or so |
| 04:49.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah |
| 04:49.57 | Miravlix | You could cast it and regen it without noticing |
| 04:49.58 | ScytheBlade1 | I could spam that in a raid and regen mana |
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| 05:11.35 | ckknight | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=32186082&sid=1 <-- someone should make this mod |
| 05:11.37 | Bh | paladin cleanse is 125 mana, rank 1 moonfire is 25, good stuff |
| 05:19.58 | mjc | anyone have a resto druid build they like? |
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| 05:22.15 | mjc | like, this is a mana conservation build I might try |
| 05:22.15 | mjc | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=Mtoxc0xsZZxtcoxqz |
| 05:41.51 | Corrodias | i need to start thinking about 2.0 talent builds |
| 05:48.28 | Plorkyeran | ckknight> I'm working on that right now :P |
| 05:48.35 | Plorkyeran | It's actually pretty short |
| 05:51.20 | ckknight | hehe |
| 05:51.56 | ckknight | when're they gonna open the PTR? |
| 05:52.20 | Plorkyeran | Probably not until the BC beta is close to done |
| 05:53.14 | ckknight | :-( |
| 05:53.24 | ckknight | is it in beta yet or still alpha? |
| 05:53.35 | Plorkyeran | Officially it's still "nothing" :P |
| 05:53.45 | ckknight | alright |
| 05:54.58 | Thunder_Child | alpha |
| 05:55.07 | ckknight | I wonder what API function they'll provide for us to check if you have the expansion or not... |
| 05:55.18 | Thunder_Child | "friends and family alpha" |
| 05:56.08 | Thunder_Child | and it's alot of fun |
| 05:56.24 | ckknight | you shouldn't give too much away |
| 05:56.53 | Thunder_Child | it's hardly a secret....as far as i know |
| 05:57.12 | ckknight | still, talking about it violates the NDA |
| 05:57.23 | Plorkyeran | From what they've been saying, there may not be any reason the UI needs to know whether you have the expansion or not |
| 05:57.42 | Thunder_Child | Plorkyeran what if the mod involves..say flying mounts |
| 05:57.44 | ckknight | there does for me, if I want to add a check to TouristLib |
| 05:57.46 | Plorkyeran | As the only thing buying the expansion does is raise the level cap and let you zone into the new content |
| 05:57.52 | ckknight | to tell you which zones you should go to |
| 05:57.52 | Iriel | I suspect the UI wont care |
| 05:58.05 | Iriel | Beyond knowing what YOUR max level is, perhaps, for the XP bar |
| 05:58.13 | Plorkyeran | Thunder_Child> Then it won't do anything useful for someone without the expansion? |
| 05:58.44 | Thunder_Child | depend how it's written |
| 05:58.48 | Thunder_Child | but i see your point |
| 06:04.38 | Thunder_Child | lol, listen to this |
| 06:04.54 | Thunder_Child | at the top of the page is this "Welcome to the Burning Crusade Friends and Family Alpha Test" |
| 06:05.08 | Thunder_Child | near the bottom is this "For purposes of example and not limitation, you agree that you will not disclose the following: |
| 06:05.08 | Thunder_Child | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:05.08 | Thunder_Child | (i) The existence of a Friends and Family Alpha Test. |
| 06:05.09 | Thunder_Child | " |
| 06:05.22 | Thunder_Child | this is posted on a publicly available page |
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| 07:56.54 | Corrodias | well, this is interesting |
| 07:57.22 | Corrodias | wowi's page for PerfectRaid lists two features that aren't actually in it, it seems. the description says that it's out of date, but i didn't expect the author to remove features :o |
| 07:58.33 | Elkano | which ones do you mean? |
| 07:58.50 | Corrodias | filter and backdrop |
| 07:59.11 | Elkano | hmmm... |
| 08:01.09 | Corrodias | the changelog talks about adding them but never mentions removing them |
| 08:02.23 | Elkano | well, they most likely got lost in the ace2 rewrite |
| 08:04.06 | Corrodias | also the "simulate" option, missing |
| 08:04.14 | Corrodias | it kinda feels like i'm using some really old version. jesus. |
| 08:06.20 | Elkano | but it looks better now... ;) |
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| 08:16.02 | Corrodias | well... i'm very disappointed |
| 08:31.09 | [Wobin] | Thunder_Child: Rule 1 of Fight Club... |
| 08:37.23 | [Wobin] | What rule? |
| 08:39.27 | Elkano | well, you stated it yourself... ;) |
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| 08:56.19 | [Wobin] | Did I? |
| 09:04.46 | Elkano | you mentioned the name so yes you did... ;) |
| 09:17.32 | krka | lol http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=32186082&sid=1 |
| 09:18.30 | Corrodias | oh that sounds fun! |
| 09:18.49 | Corrodias | by the way, i experienced my first time of being in a raid in which someone ninjad something |
| 09:19.03 | zenzelezz | details |
| 09:19.54 | Corrodias | the raid leader grabbed a relatively low value neck piece in UBRS and hearthed, then later tried to claim to his guild that he didn't do it, but several of us whispered some dude about it, and i suspect that he may have been gkicked. |
| 09:20.23 | zenzelezz | hehe, which item? |
| 09:20.24 | Corrodias | hang on while i figure out what the item is |
| 09:20.58 | Corrodias | http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=12929 |
| 09:21.23 | zenzelezz | aha |
| 09:23.01 | AnduinLothar | that's a hawt item |
| 09:23.10 | AnduinLothar | it's a mini ony neck |
| 09:23.17 | AnduinLothar | i used it for a while |
| 09:23.39 | Corrodias | here's a sad thing: i bought a sub (sandwich) about 17 hours ago and forgot to refrigerate or eat this second half of it |
| 09:23.46 | AnduinLothar | but lol it's off the 1st boss |
| 09:23.56 | AnduinLothar | sad |
| 09:23.58 | Corrodias | i'm pretty sure i need to toss it :( |
| 09:24.03 | AnduinLothar | man.. making me hungry |
| 09:24.25 | Corrodias | as much as i'd like to eat it, meat goes bad after sitting around for a while, doesn't it? or cheese. or something. |
| 09:24.36 | AnduinLothar | 17 hours aint bad |
| 09:24.44 | AnduinLothar | wont taste as good |
| 09:24.55 | AnduinLothar | but it wont be harmful |
| 09:25.09 | AnduinLothar | prolly soggy |
| 09:25.13 | Corrodias | aye |
| 09:26.21 | AnduinLothar | nah you can leave meat out in the air for about a day and a half before you should to toss it, it just wont taste as good |
| 09:26.22 | Corrodias | well, time for me to sleep. i need to be rested in case my parents get me an appointment with a doctor tomorrow about this skin thing |
| 09:26.44 | AnduinLothar | sausage lasts longer |
| 09:27.08 | AnduinLothar | cheese is fine until you see mold on it |
| 09:27.20 | AnduinLothar | and then you can usually cut off the visible mold |
| 09:27.51 | AnduinLothar | lettuce you can leave out for days but it really doesn't taste good if not refrigerated |
| 09:27.51 | Corrodias | 'ni |
| 09:28.06 | AnduinLothar | bread gets mold the fastest i think |
| 09:28.10 | AnduinLothar | esp soggy bread |
| 09:28.44 | AnduinLothar | mmm and salted meat of course lasts longer |
| 09:29.02 | AnduinLothar | so if your sadwitch had salt in it you should be fine :) |
| 09:29.31 | AnduinLothar | Today's food lesson brought to you by the letter 'M'. |
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| 09:40.03 | Breeze | does anybody know how to skip a for-loop in LUA? I see there's a break statement, but I'm looking for a continue, like in C |
| 09:43.28 | krka | no continue |
| 09:43.40 | krka | wrap it in an if-statement |
| 09:53.50 | ckknight | Lua is not an acronym, don't treat it as such |
| 09:53.57 | AnduinLothar | :P |
| 09:55.46 | AnduinLothar | anyone know if there's a way to extent how many lines you can show in an editbox? seems to max out at like 128 |
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| 10:03.47 | abug | shouldn't we be sleeping? |
| 10:04.03 | AnduinLothar | sleep? what's that? |
| 10:04.22 | abug | that thing I gave up when starting college |
| 10:04.31 | AnduinLothar | aye |
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| 10:11.33 | Breeze | Is there a way to execute a function every x seconds with some sort of timer? |
| 10:12.36 | Breeze | hmm sorry, I'm lazy today |
| 10:12.50 | Breeze | found http://www.wowwiki.com/Chronos :0 |
| 10:12.52 | Breeze | :) * |
| 10:17.39 | [Ammo] | or use Metrognome, or AceEvent |
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| 10:44.18 | abug | or make your own |
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| 11:11.56 | [Wobin] | why do that when there are plenty of fine wheels already invented? |
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| 12:13.00 | JoshBorke | morning |
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| 12:51.00 | Mery | my personal quote of the day (suggestion forum): "I thought private servers were allowed, but you have to pay extra or something? I mean aren't you all by yourself in there? It is not like you have an advantage over other players." |
| 12:51.24 | KamQuat | hah |
| 12:51.56 | Beladona | sounds like that guy missed the point by about a mile |
| 12:53.49 | KamQuat | if i had a private server i'd roll a toon and deck him out with all tier3 |
| 12:53.56 | KamQuat | and then go omgwtfpwn hogger |
| 12:54.12 | KamQuat | it took my guild like an hour to take him down with 20 people >_< |
| 13:03.53 | hugo | You don't have permission to access /images/0/0e/Gothik.gif on this server. ;o |
| 13:04.04 | hugo | cant go to .gif image directy from wowwiki ? |
| 13:14.27 | Beladona | they may have hotlinking disabled |
| 13:14.35 | dukeku | good morning star shine |
| 13:14.40 | dukeku | the earth says hello!! |
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| 13:17.02 | Hexarobi | we twinkle belloowwwww |
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| 13:42.27 | Cairenn | hi |
| 13:44.17 | JoshBorke | Morning Cairenn |
| 13:44.26 | Cairenn | hi |
| 13:54.17 | Beladona | monkeys! |
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| 14:00.04 | JoshBorke | PIGS! |
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| 14:34.12 | Kaso | Frame:SetAlpha(0) , the frame would still be IsVisible() right ? |
| 14:34.38 | Cide | yes |
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| 15:13.11 | Kaso | on DevTools frame stack, when its over a un-named frame, it says like "table:09B938" how do you get that? |
| 15:15.06 | Kaso | Iriel's code is confusing :< |
| 15:16.42 | JoshBorke | Kaso: i believe it is iterating over GetElements? or something like that |
| 15:18.30 | Kaso | hmm, see the thing is, i have a referance to a unnamed frame, and i want some way to tell it apart from the other unnamed frames in my code |
| 15:22.30 | Kevorkian | give it a name? |
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| 15:32.55 | JoshBorke | o.O |
| 15:34.16 | Kaso | ok, is there any other way of changing a frame's alpha which doesnt call :SetAlpha() ? |
| 15:34.25 | JoshBorke | Kaso: no, why? |
| 15:35.36 | Kaso | well, im setting this frame's alpha to 0, then when i check its alpha moments later its back at 1, and i know it hasnt been :SetAlpha()'d cos ive used metatables to hook SetAlpha() |
| 15:37.12 | Kaso | so, for example, my hook just spamms out Setting Frame's alpha to x whenver you run SetAlpha on it |
| 15:37.51 | Kaso | if i do /run GetMouseFocus():SetAlpha(0) ChatFrame3:AddMessage(GetMouseFocus():GetAlpha()) that says 0 to CF3 and 0 from my hook, then moments later if i do ChatFrame3:AddMessage(GetMouseFocus():GetAlpha()) it reports 1, but my hook hasnt said anything in the mean time |
| 15:38.16 | JoshBorke | are you using any frame modifiers like Visor or DFM? they hook those functinos also |
| 15:39.12 | Kaso | only addons i have are devtools and luapad |
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| 15:44.05 | Kaso | arrg, why wont these nameplates behave themselves! |
| 15:47.33 | JoshBorke | o.O |
| 15:48.55 | Kaso | i want to set thier alpha to 0, but they just won't |
| 15:48.59 | cogwheel | Man... UI & Macros is becoming more and more like General every hour that passes :( |
| 15:49.26 | Cairenn | sucks, doesn't it? |
| 15:49.29 | JoshBorke | Kaso: that's hard to do because they get set back to alpha 1 on update? |
| 15:50.08 | Kaso | well, i assumed it was on Update, but it apparently isnt, i thought i'd be clever and fiddle with the SetAlpha function to stop them being re-set, but it isnt working |
| 15:50.32 | JoshBorke | Kaso: so you've seen the post by gello i'm assuming? |
| 15:50.45 | Kaso | yah, thats what ive based my addon on |
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| 15:51.08 | Kaso | but i cant just Hide() them like he has, i need them to be IsVisible() but not ... visible |
| 15:53.26 | Kaso | Also, re-hiding them (or whatever) on Update seems a bit hackish to me, id rather get this working with my metatable hook |
| 15:55.19 | zenzelezz | sounds to me like they have a strong desire to be visible |
| 15:55.29 | Kaso | thats very true |
| 15:55.49 | Kaso | what's really frustrating me is *how* they're avoiding being hidden |
| 15:55.54 | Kaso | it makes no sense |
| 15:56.26 | JoshBorke | what about setting the size to 1x1? |
| 15:56.42 | Kaso | hmm, lemme see |
| 15:58.00 | Kaso | yah, that sorta works |
| 15:58.24 | Kaso | it's Fontstrings and Statusbars are messed up now but i can easy sort that |
| 15:58.29 | zenzelezz | argh... every day lately, around this time, my server's been getting sluggish... laggy without latency |
| 15:58.45 | Cairenn | off to my folks' house for thanksgiving day brunch |
| 15:58.47 | cogwheel | Does anyone have any insight into how button remapping in 2.0 will work? Will you only be able to do it on stance changes? |
| 15:58.52 | zenzelezz | have fun Cairenn |
| 15:59.15 | cogwheel | or will things like remapping based on hostile/friendly target work? |
| 15:59.25 | Beladona | we only know what you know. Based on the stuff slouken posted |
| 15:59.42 | Beladona | but maybe ask there? |
| 15:59.44 | cogwheel | Right... but he might have said something I missed or misinterpreted... |
| 15:59.57 | JoshBorke | bb Cairenn|afk |
| 16:00.07 | JoshBorke | i think they are working on a solution for that. |
| 16:00.08 | cogwheel | and the thread is locked, it would appear :( |
| 16:00.13 | Beladona | oh |
| 16:00.36 | JoshBorke | he has already stated that there will be configurations for friendly/hostile targets when clicking |
| 16:00.37 | Beladona | probably too much "whine, whine, that sucks" posts |
| 16:00.49 | cogwheel | may just be broken... there's no lock symbol, but the Quote and Reply buttons are disabled |
| 16:00.57 | JoshBorke | and i remember reading that you will be able to change bars in combat |
| 16:01.17 | Beladona | maybe there is a page limit? |
| 16:01.19 | Beladona | lol |
| 16:01.48 | cogwheel | or a total post limit and with so many deleted already, it reached its limit on a small number of pages... |
| 16:02.21 | cogwheel | though, the last post on the thread is #500 |
| 16:03.15 | JoshBorke | i'm going to guess that button remapping will be secure while in combat. |
| 16:03.19 | JoshBorke | but i dunno |
| 16:03.54 | cogwheel | It can't be for warriors/druids/rogues |
| 16:04.12 | Beladona | I think he means key bindings |
| 16:04.18 | JoshBorke | it's an interesting shift from having lots of frames to now unit frames are going to be considered buttons and action buttons are going to stay buttons. they definitely seem to be going more along a OO frame methodology |
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| 16:04.51 | JoshBorke | yes, i think the functionality to switch while in combat will be protected but still available |
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| 16:05.04 | cogwheel | Yep. I think with all the sweeping changes, slouken wanted to take better advantage of lua's features |
| 16:05.19 | JoshBorke | can anyone explain to me the significance of the new coroutines? |
| 16:05.32 | cogwheel | There was a discussion about it on the 2.0 changes thread |
| 16:05.49 | JoshBorke | official thread? |
| 16:05.49 | Beladona | I think what people don't get is - they aren't necessarily disabling all decursive type stuff. They are just setting it up so it can be controlled |
| 16:06.06 | Beladona | Blizzard will be able to say what and how much of what you can do while in combat |
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| 16:06.12 | Beladona | regardless of addons |
| 16:06.33 | cogwheel | JoshBorke: i think so... i may be remembering incorrectly |
| 16:06.36 | Maldivia | Beladona: it's basically all the people, that have absolutely no idea, what the changes actually do, that's screaming and yelling |
| 16:06.38 | JoshBorke | irial needs to update the top post |
| 16:06.44 | Beladona | I know |
| 16:06.49 | JoshBorke | s/irial/iriel/ |
| 16:06.57 | Kaso | Sweet, JoshBorke, that works pretty well, thanks for the help |
| 16:06.57 | Beladona | 90% of the screamers have never programmed an addon in their life |
| 16:06.58 | cogwheel | JoshBorke: or it may have been deleted since it was technically a suggestion which is "off topic" in that thread |
| 16:07.21 | cogwheel | JoshBorke: i know what happened |
| 16:07.32 | cogwheel | it got lost when they rolled back the forums last month :( |
| 16:07.55 | Maldivia | "Ohh no, I've been using this addon that Blizzard have said they would try to disable for so long now, that I can't play the game without" |
| 16:08.10 | JoshBorke | i found some stuff on coroutines in the lua 5.1 thread |
| 16:08.36 | cogwheel | hmmm... that may have been what I was thinking of... |
| 16:09.09 | Galencia | Beladona: they might not be taking 90% of it away, but they're making it a damn sight harder to get at |
| 16:09.19 | Galencia | (both screen-wise and keyboard-wise) |
| 16:10.05 | JoshBorke | I think they've done a great job removing just the functionality they wanted: decursive automation and heal automation |
| 16:10.29 | Maldivia | Personally, I'm really happy about the changes, but what they added and what they restricted |
| 16:10.39 | Maldivia | both* |
| 16:10.53 | Galencia | personally, im caustiously optimistic and waiting to see what clever people come up with :) |
| 16:11.11 | JoshBorke | i'm sad to see the automatic choosing of cleansing spell |
| 16:11.18 | JoshBorke | as a paladin it's easy, but as a priest it's a pain |
| 16:11.49 | cogwheel | they seem to be putting more of an emphasis on click-casting now, though, which should relieve some of that pain |
| 16:12.39 | Galencia | can you for example have raid freames that turn blue when someone has a magic on them and still click cast it? |
| 16:12.44 | cogwheel | yep |
| 16:12.50 | Galencia | thats not so bad then |
| 16:13.04 | Galencia | provided you set up beforehand that eg shift left click = dispell, right? |
| 16:13.16 | cogwheel | I think PerfectRaid is really going to be the template for future raid unit frames |
| 16:13.27 | cogwheel | exactly |
| 16:13.57 | Galencia | so the whackamole whiners arent really that far off :) |
| 16:13.59 | cogwheel | Its design just makes so much sense with the coming changes |
| 16:14.19 | cogwheel | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=32186082&sid=1 |
| 16:15.05 | Galencia | haha. |
| 16:15.22 | Maldivia | cogwheel: all the secure models added for 2.0 fits right in to my raid UI aswell :) |
| 16:15.43 | Galencia | what they're pushing for is pretty much how i used to play my priest anyway |
| 16:16.10 | Galencia | the 'focus' thing they're adding seems kinda nice |
| 16:16.10 | cogwheel | Which one's yours? :) (i connect author names with mods just as effectively as names with faces... i.e. not at all) |
| 16:16.20 | Galencia | they seem to be "giving" a lot as well as taking |
| 16:16.40 | Galencia | the new events seem kinda weird |
| 16:16.55 | Galencia | they're set out at disabling addons they dont like, yet are making enemy cast bars easier than ever |
| 16:17.23 | cogwheel | Maybe they don't mind that so much... |
| 16:17.36 | JoshBorke | yea, i love the new changes to spellcast events |
| 16:18.12 | Galencia | i suppose if you think about it logically they are ok with information being presented to you, just not your ui doing something with that information for you |
| 16:18.15 | JoshBorke | hola Legorol |
| 16:18.25 | Beladona | Galencia: exactly |
| 16:18.39 | Legorol | morning JoshBorke |
| 16:18.40 | Galencia | but i always thought that enemy cast bars were a bit OTT in pvp |
| 16:19.27 | JoshBorke | o.O |
| 16:19.35 | JoshBorke | get them to counter-spell a hearthstone? |
| 16:19.40 | Galencia | yeah. |
| 16:21.43 | Galencia | are they adding click casting to the default blizzard ui/raidframes? |
| 16:22.53 | Beladona | dunno |
| 16:23.01 | Beladona | I didn't see anything about that |
| 16:23.04 | Beladona | but that would be neat |
| 16:23.11 | Galencia | it would help a lot |
| 16:23.14 | JoshBorke | i would assume they are |
| 16:23.28 | Galencia | also changing the buff/debuff filters so not suck complete ass, would be nice. |
| 16:23.31 | JoshBorke | i'd be interested to see the configuration GUI |
| 16:23.34 | Galencia | s/so/to/ |
| 16:23.44 | Galencia | er or not |
| 16:24.22 | Kaso | CRAP! |
| 16:24.34 | JoshBorke | I think cladhaire did an excellent job with Clique's UI and i hope blizzard comes up with something just as good |
| 16:24.43 | Kaso | when nameplates are shown the Name doesnt appear above your peoples head :< |
| 16:24.57 | JoshBorke | Kaso: lol |
| 16:25.39 | Kaso | so, i can do my addon, as long as you're not partiulally attached to people's names and guild over thier heads |
| 16:25.51 | JoshBorke | What does your addon do? |
| 16:26.15 | Kaso | Shows healing done over the heads of the recipiants : http://kasoo.net/img/imgs/healing_fun.jpg |
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| 16:26.29 | JoshBorke | i'd be interested to see the worldframe receive click-casting events |
| 16:26.44 | JoshBorke | Kaso: that is wicked cool! |
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| 16:26.51 | Grem | Does anyone have any official news on how the targetting functions are going to work in BC? |
| 16:27.10 | JoshBorke | Kaso: gimme gimme! |
| 16:27.18 | Kaso | ha |
| 16:27.29 | Kaso | well the problem is atm it requires the nameplates up |
| 16:27.34 | Kaso | thats what ive been trying to solve today |
| 16:28.03 | Qzot | EU forums seem to indicate that beta keys are being distributed. |
| 16:28.06 | Kaso | if you would like to see the current version is here: http://kasoo.net/filez/HzHeal0.3.zip |
| 16:28.37 | Kaso | however it's got a sea of unused code in there aswell, my attempts at hiding the Namplates and failing |
| 16:29.04 | JoshBorke | i'd have mine hide the raid bars but keep party bars shown |
| 16:29.12 | Kevorkian | dear lord, there's over 26 pages on the 2.0 changes, could one of you kind souls tell me what page (approx) I need to look at for the changes that affect the decursing? |
| 16:29.30 | JoshBorke | Kevorkian: there's a thread on wowi that has all the changes |
| 16:29.30 | Galencia | use the "next blizzard post" feature |
| 16:29.34 | GremWarsong | Apparantly they will be removing or limiting "CastSpellByName" |
| 16:29.45 | Kaso | 8ish is where all the things are |
| 16:29.49 | Qzot | Kevorkian: Prime-numbered pages after 10. |
| 16:30.05 | GremWarsong | Where on wowi are the changes? |
| 16:30.09 | Plorkyeran | Slouken's relevant stuff starts on page 7 iirc |
| 16:30.24 | JoshBorke | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=6447 |
| 16:30.25 | cogwheel | Kevorkian: there's nothing that's affecting "decursing" in general... It's the Decursive mod that will be broken. Basically, addons can no longer choose targets or spells to cast |
| 16:30.29 | GremWarsong | Im curious on how targetting is going to work |
| 16:30.54 | cogwheel | Most questions are answered on the 2.0 changes thread in the UI and macros forum |
| 16:31.07 | GremWarsong | k |
| 16:31.12 | GremWarsong | Thanks for the link |
| 16:31.13 | cogwheel | As galencia said, the "next blizzard post" feature is very handy :) |
| 16:31.18 | JoshBorke | GremWarsong: you have to click them? |
| 16:31.22 | cogwheel | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15401595&sid=1 |
| 16:31.32 | Tuller | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15401595&pageNo=7 |
| 16:32.21 | GremWarsong | Josh, will you be able to click the party frame to target them? |
| 16:32.34 | Tuller | I'm kind of sad, in that ended up coding something yesterday that, whenever I click on a debuff, it'll try to remove one of that debuff's type. |
| 16:33.08 | cogwheel | GremWarsong: read the thread :) |
| 16:33.09 | GremWarsong | So they are protecting 'TargetUnit' ? |
| 16:33.48 | GremWarsong | k |
| 16:34.29 | Kevorkian | hmm, I'm not sure how I feel about that. I like decursive as it is now. if they want to make people get borked by debuffs/curses they should just make 'em bloody instant |
| 16:34.48 | Kaso | They havent said they're protecting NamePlate's:Click() function yet though :> |
| 16:34.54 | Iriel | Brief summary: All targetting, casting, moving, and using functions are locked down and cannot be called directly from addon scripts. The UI elements which CAN do those actions (which CAN be created by addons) cannot be created, shown, hidden or moved programatically during combat. |
| 16:35.02 | cogwheel | Kevorkian: that's not the point. The point is to make people choose spells and targets, not to have an addon do it for you. |
| 16:36.34 | Kevorkian | cogwheel: aye, I understand the philosophy, but in a 40 man raid (which granted there won't be as many of) it's freaking tough if you're on decurse duty to do it without tools to assist. I don't necessarily disagree with the philosophy, I just think if they're going to do that they should go ahead and just make some of the Mob abilities instant on fewer targets because you're basically saying some folks won't get decursed |
| 16:36.52 | Kevorkian | why beat around the bush |
| 16:37.14 | GremWarsong | Iriel, what about /assist? |
| 16:37.48 | Iriel | slash commands can do all the things they always did, non /script macros still work |
| 16:38.16 | GremWarsong | Will we be able to get target of a target? |
| 16:38.50 | GremWarsong | hmm, yeah, we will |
| 16:38.50 | cogwheel | Kevorkian: as you mentioned, there won't be any more 40-man raids. On top of that, there are strategies to make it easier. For one thing, you don't need every healer to be decursing the whole raid... Just assign certain healers to certain groups. |
| 16:38.51 | Qzot | Iriel: Presumably as long as the non-/script doesn't call an addon, like /decurse |
| 16:38.54 | GremWarsong | Just cant use targetting commands, I see |
| 16:38.54 | Tuller | yes, it is a blizzard frame after all :) |
| 16:39.01 | Beladona | one of the things to think about too is shamans |
| 16:39.16 | Beladona | in the current state on live servers, shamans are looked at as "useless" by many |
| 16:39.28 | Beladona | in the new client, I am thinking they may be more useful |
| 16:39.31 | Iriel | Qzot an addon-provided slash command would be tainted, and not able to do protected functions |
| 16:39.45 | Qzot | That was my point, yes. |
| 16:40.11 | cogwheel | plus, you have to realize that most encounters (e.g. Luci) were definitely not designed with decursive in mind. You couldn't even see the health of all your raid members back then with the default UI |
| 16:40.26 | GremWarsong | lol |
| 16:40.49 | Plorkyeran | Lucifron was apparently designed around having 8 priests in the raid |
| 16:40.52 | JoshBorke | i used to do all of MC without decursive. it's not that bad and the most frustrating part was all the other people with decursive who would get to targets before me |
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| 16:41.07 | Plorkyeran | And decursive is completly unnessary on Lucifron with 8 priests |
| 16:41.09 | Kaso | Plorkyeran lucifron was designed around people getting the hell out of range :> |
| 16:41.43 | Plorkyeran | Which means it would be designed around bossmods :P |
| 16:42.26 | Kevorkian | cogwheel: the net effect is a slow down on decursing. if it is currently difficult to do, it will become more difficult. I'm not disagreeing with you mind you but frankly we often have to take luci with 2 priests |
| 16:42.30 | Kaso | well, timers at least. |
| 16:42.41 | GremWarsong | So, with this concept about not being able to manipulate frames during combat, does it mean all frames? |
| 16:42.56 | Kevorkian | so if it's designed around 8 then basically we're stuck sticking to strict class numbers |
| 16:43.06 | cogwheel | Kevorkian: the way i see it, my guild can easily down luci with 25-30 people. All this means is that a few more people might die in a full 40-man raid. |
| 16:43.10 | Tuller | GremWarsong: all protected frames, ie action button and unit frames |
| 16:43.11 | Plorkyeran | You'll also have paladins |
| 16:43.17 | GremWarsong | ah, I see Tuller |
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| 16:43.53 | Plorkyeran | With paladins Lucifron is perfectly doable with no deaths with a "balanced" raid and no raid frames or decursive |
| 16:43.56 | Tuller | they could always go back, and say rework problematic encounters |
| 16:43.59 | cogwheel | It seems like an obsession to keep every man standing at the end of the fight that is the basis for hostility towards the changes. |
| 16:44.02 | Kaso | or perhaps luci was just designed around alliance, 10 dispellers 10 decursers in a 5 of each raid and they forgot about horde :> |
| 16:44.03 | Qzot | OT: Was minimum instance levels added after Blizz implemented meeting stones, to prevent low-levels from griefing by queueing up? |
| 16:44.08 | Plorkyeran | Or they could just not care about 40-man stuff at all |
| 16:44.21 | Maldivia | Iriel? |
| 16:44.22 | Plorkyeran | No, it was a few patches later |
| 16:44.38 | Qzot | What was the motivation? |
| 16:44.42 | Plorkyeran | But the meeting stones always had minimum levels, which are significantly higher than the minimum level to zone in |
| 16:44.56 | Kevorkian | cogwheel: again, that's great for your guild, and great for the full 40 man raids. it just represents a little bit of lost flexibility. I *do* understand the motivation behind it, and like I said I don't really disagree with it, it just makes me sad that we will have to enforce strict class limits and maybe cancel raids if we don't have enough decursers |
| 16:45.02 | Kaso | To stop farmers being summoned onto chest spawns in high level instances i think Qzot |
| 16:45.20 | Qzot | Really? |
| 16:45.33 | Kevorkian | cogwheel: I'm raging against the universe more than anything else |
| 16:45.37 | Kaso | i cant remeber but i think if you sayed in an instance long enough the chests would respawn, but dont quote me on that |
| 16:45.41 | Kaso | it was a long time ago :> |
| 16:46.03 | Qzot | What advantage to the farmers to have a level 1 there, tho? |
| 16:46.03 | Plorkyeran | They never actually said why they did it, but there's a lot of minor reasons |
| 16:46.04 | cogwheel | I do think we'll see a decline in the numbers of *good* healers around :) |
| 16:46.31 | cogwheel | i'm just glad i haven't leveled my priest yet so i don't have to unlearn bad habits :P |
| 16:46.44 | Plorkyeran | Also, they apparently don't want people to have a full set of the best gear for a level well before they hit that level |
| 16:46.50 | Tuller | meh, I just switched up my hotkeys before a heavy curse fight |
| 16:47.31 | Beladona | if there is a decline in "good" healers, they weren't really good. Their addon was |
| 16:47.35 | Iriel | Maldivia, Yes? |
| 16:47.36 | Beladona | =) |
| 16:47.55 | Maldivia | Iriel: the new secute templates, are for the addons to use (aswell as Blizzards own UI), righT? |
| 16:48.02 | Plorkyeran | Well, some healers who actually were good will probably quit |
| 16:48.17 | Iriel | That's how I interpreted the change, they're there so that we can create alternate action bars etc |
| 16:48.34 | Plorkyeran | If we're lucky some healers that were bad will turn out to be decent once they can no longer get away with sucking |
| 16:48.34 | Qzot | Iriel: Is Blizzard providing a way out-of-combat to overload one action button with a variety of meanings, depending on CTRL and ALT? |
| 16:48.38 | Iriel | I dont believe slouken would advertise them if they were for blizz use only 8-) |
| 16:48.50 | cogwheel | Qzot: that's answered in the thread :) |
| 16:48.52 | Iriel | Qzot: Slouken implied that was the case, I think it's post 160 on the changes thread |
| 16:49.26 | Maldivia | Iriel: as I've heard, the secure raid group template, contains all the logic to sort by group/class etc... |
| 16:49.37 | Kevorkian | beladona: to an extent. I'm very good at whack-a-mole, which in combination with the ability to predict where damage will occur is what makes me a good "healer". the decurse problem just adds a level of complexity to that. The tools like decursive simlify the job, the more complexity you add to the problem the less good of a healer I can be |
| 16:49.58 | Maldivia | Iriel: do you know if we can specify a template for the unit-frames to be created by, or preferebly a function (to call out own CreateFrame) |
| 16:50.07 | Kevorkian | all of the problems go away if you add more healers, but that's not always an option |
| 16:50.10 | Beladona | I know. I understand that your job will be "harder" but no harder than playing now WITHOUT decursive |
| 16:50.18 | Qzot | Iriel/cogwheel: Sorry. The reality is is taht I'm not going to have time to wade through that horrendous thread. :P |
| 16:50.27 | cogwheel | Qzot: you don't need to |
| 16:50.32 | Beladona | and given the encounters should be scaled to suit this change, it may not be as bad as people are screaming about |
| 16:50.32 | cogwheel | that's what "next blizzard post" is for |
| 16:50.34 | cogwheel | :P |
| 16:50.35 | Kevorkian | beladona: honestly, very few healers go to 40 mans without decursive |
| 16:50.41 | Beladona | oh I know |
| 16:50.50 | Beladona | I run a guild, and have to deal with it all the time |
| 16:50.50 | Iriel | Qzot: I'll have consolidated it all by tomorrow sometime |
| 16:51.18 | Beladona | but I can still say without a doubt, I despise decursive, knowing full well there are people that refuse to play without it, and there is no way for me to rpevent it |
| 16:51.27 | Beladona | well, till the expansion anyway |
| 16:51.38 | Qzot | cogwheel: Ah. Cool button. |
| 16:51.55 | Kaso | ... i wonder how much a performance hit you'd take by turning the nameplates on and off very fast :> |
| 16:53.28 | Maldivia | kaso: are they shown instant, or on next "onUpdate"? |
| 16:53.46 | Qzot | Hmm. I like the new action bar change stuff. But I wonder if they're going to get it right for durids, or if we'll still be borked. |
| 16:53.50 | Kaso | well, i was gonna try Next OnUpdate |
| 16:53.55 | Kevorkian | beladona: aye, I'm not truly worried about the expansion instances. 10 man I don't suspect I will have trouble with decursing, provided I can still get notification that the curses are up |
| 16:53.56 | Xuerian | Okay.. This is weird.... Matching "^Your share of the loot is (.+)%.$" against text it won't match is fine, but against say "Your share of the loot is 5 Copper.", wow locks up 0_O |
| 16:54.09 | Kevorkian | beladona: it's just going to make 40 mans a lot harder for my guild |
| 16:54.17 | Kaso | Maldivia: ive been having some problems getting the healing thing working without the nameplates shwoing you see :> |
| 16:55.04 | Maldivia | well, ofcourse .) |
| 16:56.35 | Kaso | mm, Seizurerific |
| 16:56.39 | Kevorkian | hmm, anybody know off the top of their heads how decursive checks for curses? does it monitor combat text or does it check each player? |
| 16:56.48 | Kaso | check each player |
| 16:57.09 | Kevorkian | so that's going to break as it is now too isn't it |
| 16:57.18 | Kaso | it also does a range check as well, if you spam it while most of your raid are out of range it laggs :> |
| 16:57.21 | Kevorkian | because you can't target a player to check their curses |
| 16:57.24 | Kaso | yah its not going to work |
| 16:57.30 | Kaso | ever again |
| 16:57.31 | Beladona | in my opinion 40 mans will become somewhat trivial with players reaching 60+ and aiming for the new items coming from the new instances |
| 16:57.39 | Maldivia | Kevorkian: you dont need to target a person to check their debuffs |
| 16:57.52 | Beladona | not to mention a level 70 at those 40 mans will make things MUCH easier too |
| 16:58.48 | Kevorkian | assuming they don't scale them at all |
| 16:58.56 | Kaso | Maldivia: tried having the nameplates up at all times then just making them invisible, kinda got that working (no thanks to SetAlpha though! grr) but now, beacuse the UI thinks the nameplates are up, you get no "Fred <Fred's Guild" over the head |
| 16:59.00 | Kaso | any ideas :> |
| 16:59.30 | JoshBorke | Kaso: replicate the informatio? |
| 17:00.29 | Kaso | You mean put my own fontstring with the infomation on it above thier heads? |
| 17:00.54 | JoshBorke | yea |
| 17:01.20 | Kaso | it wouldnt scale with range correctly and i'd have to itterate though targetting each unit to get the info, which would cause lag, |
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| 17:01.40 | Qzot | Iriel: Is there enough machinery now or in TBC to fully "save" and "restore" action bar settings? |
| 17:01.53 | Iriel | Qzot: No. |
| 17:02.11 | Qzot | Changing action bars is quite a workable solution for druids, because we really want 3 sets of actions bars ganged together. |
| 17:02.23 | Qzot | One each for caster/cat/bear forms. |
| 17:02.52 | Iriel | Qzot: I'm hoping some of the things I see listed by the secure templates removes much of the need: * SecureActionButtonTemplate, protected, uses attribute "type", which can be one of "action", "pet", "spell", "item", "target", "focus", and "menu", and uses an optional attribute "unit" |
| 17:03.14 | Qzot | At least at present, I can change the current action bar, but the default UI switches me to a standard action bar for cat or bear. |
| 17:04.46 | Qzot | Hmm. Could a case be made for having enough machinery to serialize an action bar state and restore it in the future, presumably out of combat? |
| 17:07.23 | Beladona | how effective would it be if it didn't work in combat? A change of stance / shapeshift, what have you would effectively fail to change the bars if you were in combat |
| 17:08.30 | Qzot | Beladona: I want to completely swap out my caster/bear/cat stuff, say if I'm pvping, or if I'm in MC. These are broad level changes. |
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| 17:10.50 | Iriel | I would hope that blizzard give us the same kind of stance based action switching mechanism that the standard UI has. |
| 17:10.57 | Iriel | My durid will be unhappy otherwise |
| 17:11.14 | Qzot | Also true. But not what I'm asking about here. |
| 17:11.56 | Qzot | Imho, allowing in-combat switching of which action bar is set doesn't open the door too wide for abuse. Blizz' opinion may differ. |
| 17:12.40 | Qzot | There's a significant difference between choosing one of 6 or 8, and allowing combintorial reconfiguration. |
| 17:12.54 | Miravlix | Man that "UI mods and the Burning Crusade" thats bloody unclear what the hell they are doing. |
| 17:13.18 | Miravlix | Okay they block target functions thats simple to understand |
| 17:13.22 | Kaso | Qzot think about this, My [1] key has Heal rank 9 or whatever, if you can switch in combat, i can smartswitch that to rank 4 if the target's HP isnt that low, thats what i think they're blocking |
| 17:13.43 | Miravlix | But how do they stop us from having ifs and mutiple CastSpellByName? |
| 17:14.05 | Iriel | Miravlix, CastSpellByName is blocked |
| 17:14.06 | Qzot | Kaso: True enough. |
| 17:14.57 | Miravlix | Hmm, thats going to make me consider canceling |
| 17:15.03 | Qzot | Kaso: But would also require that the addon have pretty major control of your addon bar layout, which those mods don't currently require. |
| 17:16.05 | Beladona | why? |
| 17:16.05 | Miravlix | Because there is no point for me to play anymore |
| 17:16.06 | Beladona | I keep hearing people talk about cancelling with they have like 20% of the full picture |
| 17:16.06 | Kaso | thats a little, drastic isnt it? |
| 17:16.06 | Miravlix | I can't comepete with some 12 year olds reflexes |
| 17:16.06 | Beladona | if that |
| 17:16.06 | Beladona | who knows what they have up their sleeve? |
| 17:16.06 | Miravlix | I'm going to get totally fucked over in PvP |
| 17:16.06 | cogwheel | Miravlix: have you even read slouken's posts in the upcoming changes thread? |
| 17:16.08 | Beladona | well, thats a totally different issue |
| 17:16.08 | Miravlix | No way I can compete without all mya ddons |
| 17:16.09 | cogwheel | they're adding a LOT of other functionality |
| 17:16.23 | Qzot | Lol. But it's fair to have the 12yo kid compete with your brain and programming ability? :P |
| 17:16.38 | Miravlix | I'm freaking 35 year old, well past my prime with reflexes and stuff |
| 17:16.41 | Beladona | lol Qzot! |
| 17:16.44 | Iriel | How do you know your opponents aren't using addons too? |
| 17:16.49 | Beladona | exactly |
| 17:16.52 | Miravlix | I can't play as well as some 12 year old |
| 17:16.54 | Qzot | Right now, that 12yo kid is getting totally fucked over in PvP. |
| 17:17.11 | Miravlix | Nope the 12 yo is fucking you over even now |
| 17:17.12 | Iriel | And we all know from southpark that you dont have to be young to be uber. |
| 17:17.20 | Miravlix | But atleast I can play up to them |
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| 17:17.35 | Miravlix | The gap is just getting to wide if I can't have help |
| 17:17.48 | cogwheel | Miravlix: but they won't have the help either... |
| 17:17.58 | Miravlix | They DONT FUCKING NEED IT |
| 17:18.03 | Beladona | in the end, regardless of teh change, the playing field is even. The player is teh determining factor in game play effectiveness, which in my opinion is as it SHOULD be |
| 17:18.04 | cogwheel | but they still use it... |
| 17:18.10 | Miravlix | They are WAY WAY WAY better at button pushing than me |
| 17:18.36 | cogwheel | Miravlix: do you use your mouse to cast or your keyboard? |
| 17:18.39 | cogwheel | I found my performance nearly doubled when I switched from being a clicker... |
| 17:18.40 | Beladona | when people get wtfpwned because they can't play well enough, they either adapt, or quit |
| 17:18.55 | Beladona | its sometimes sad, but its true |
| 17:19.06 | Miravlix | So I quiet, because they remove my only option for adaption |
| 17:19.36 | cogwheel | Miravlix: I'm asking that in all seriousness. I used to be a clicker and once I switched, my DPS increased enormously |
| 17:19.52 | Miravlix | I've never been a clicker |
| 17:20.08 | Miravlix | I use the mouse for movement |
| 17:20.29 | Qzot | Change of topic: |
| 17:20.59 | Qzot | As I mentioned before, EU forums indicate the beta keys have gone out there. Any word on beta keys here? |
| 17:21.02 | Miravlix | Reflex game = I loss and I loss so bad it isn't even fun |
| 17:21.12 | cogwheel | Qzot: i haven't gotten mine yet |
| 17:21.44 | Qzot | The ones in the EU fora were for friendly guilds. |
| 17:22.08 | Abenadi | so can someone explain some of the NEW things being offered to scripters with the expansion? because right now I'm pretty gloomy about the changes |
| 17:22.13 | cogwheel | Qzot: there were some people in the US who were told the *would* be getting beta invites, but they hadn't actually gotten them. |
| 17:22.28 | cogwheel | Abenadi: please see the 2.0 upcoming changes thread :) |
| 17:22.36 | Abenadi | i've read it |
| 17:22.45 | Abenadi | all i got out of it was new keybinding stuffs, as far as new additions |
| 17:22.52 | cogwheel | umm... |
| 17:22.59 | Qzot | cogwheel: http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=50865091&pageNo=1&sid=1#0 |
| 17:23.07 | cogwheel | iriel's top post hasn't been updated yet |
| 17:23.12 | JoshBorke | Abenadi: casting bars will become so much easier for enemy's casts |
| 17:23.18 | cogwheel | slouken has made MANY posts on that thread answering questions |
| 17:23.25 | cogwheel | and a whole other list of changes |
| 17:23.29 | Qzot | cogwheel: Now, he could be overstating the case, but that sounds like keys in hand. |
| 17:23.53 | JoshBorke | Abenadi: also sounds like click-casting will become part of the default UI |
| 17:25.38 | Abenadi | Thanks Josh, although that doesn't really cheer me up |
| 17:25.44 | cogwheel | Qzot: it might be a situation like blizzcon... we got cards with codes on them to sign up for the beta but we still have to wait until they give us actual access to the beta itself |
| 17:26.08 | Abenadi | As a priest, I never liked the click-casting mods and preferred keyboard = do things, mouse = move/camera |
| 17:26.21 | JoshBorke | how do you target? |
| 17:26.48 | Abenadi | For most trash mobs I use a targeting function |
| 17:27.04 | Miravlix | Good think I can't post to the forum I woud tell Blizzard to go fuck off |
| 17:27.06 | Abenadi | And for alot of bosses also |
| 17:27.22 | JoshBorke | what does the targeting function do? |
| 17:27.40 | Abenadi | targets the raid member in range that needs the most healing |
| 17:27.47 | Abenadi | so yeah i know that one's out the window for sure =( |
| 17:28.14 | JoshBorke | :-) |
| 17:28.36 | Abenadi | But from what I understand all /targeting is out? Like I can't click on a player's name in CTRA for example, to target them? |
| 17:28.47 | JoshBorke | that's incorrect |
| 17:28.56 | cogwheel | Abenadi: you didn't read the thread :( |
| 17:29.08 | Abenadi | cog, its more like I've read too many threads |
| 17:29.18 | JoshBorke | you'll still be able to do that. you won't be able to move the player's name around programatically (ala squishy or emergency monitor) |
| 17:29.20 | Abenadi | and its hard to sift out what's official and not |
| 17:29.29 | cogwheel | "next blizzard post" |
| 17:29.37 | cogwheel | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15401595&sid=1&pageNo=7#133 |
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| 17:31.36 | Qzot | Later, all. |
| 17:39.37 | Elkano | <3 cogwheel :) |
| 17:39.54 | Elkano | just seen your post to the 'give'em bad press' thread |
| 17:40.07 | cogwheel | hehe |
| 17:42.08 | Abenadi | so in BC if i have a simple frame with an onclick that is TargetUnit("Raid1"), will that function never work, or just not in combat? |
| 17:42.19 | Abenadi | or always? |
| 17:42.33 | cogwheel | Abenadi: you won't have one with an onclick that's TargetUnit("Raid1") |
| 17:42.59 | cogwheel | you would use one of their specialized frame templates and set one of its attributes to "raid1" |
| 17:44.24 | Kevorkian | will click casting still work after the change to the UI with the expansion? |
| 17:44.46 | Elkano | btw: anyone feel free to request a vendorvalue return for GetItemInfo for me ^^ (can't post in US forums) |
| 17:44.47 | JoshBorke | Kevorkian: yes |
| 17:44.47 | Kevorkian | or would that be a call to the protected CastSpellByName? |
| 17:45.04 | Elkano | <-- off to firefighters... |
| 17:46.00 | Kevorkian | Josh: forgive my lack of general knowledge but is click casting now considered a keybinding or is there some sort of scripting that takes place? |
| 17:47.54 | cogwheel | the script checks to see what mouse button you're using and what modifier keys you have down and picks the appropriate spell |
| 17:48.09 | cogwheel | the changes will allow you to stor that sort of information in the frame itself |
| 17:48.46 | Kevorkian | so click casting in a raid window will still work to target and cast the spell specific to the click+modifier? |
| 17:48.55 | cogwheel | Yep |
| 17:49.15 | cogwheel | Given the nature of some of the changes, it would appear that they'll be adding click-casting to the default UI |
| 17:49.30 | Kevorkian | how bout stuff like CT raid's "tank targets". will that still allow you to target the target in question or is that out now? |
| 17:49.42 | cogwheel | Kevorkian: you should read the thread :P |
| 17:49.51 | cogwheel | slouken has specifically answered questions like thit ;) |
| 17:50.26 | Kevorkian | I should yes, I claim being afflicted by laziness by a Catholic priest when I was a teenager |
| 17:50.36 | cogwheel | :) |
| 17:51.02 | cogwheel | the only difference with tank lists and the like is that you won't be able to adjust them while in combat |
| 17:52.11 | Kevorkian | so if tank A has something targetted the window won't switch targets until combat is over? |
| 17:52.30 | cogwheel | no... |
| 17:52.36 | cogwheel | that's wrong |
| 17:52.42 | Kevorkian | good |
| 17:52.56 | cogwheel | the frame is linked to raid3target, for example |
| 17:53.01 | Kevorkian | and incidentally I *am* currently reading the post, but it's so freaking long |
| 17:53.24 | Abenadi | So, I can't automatically adjust my heal rank - can I have all of my ranks as buttons next to each other and have a script that highlights one of them according to my target's health? |
| 17:53.24 | cogwheel | Kevorkian: as I mentioned about 3 or 4 times in the last couple hours, "next blizzard post" is very useful XD |
| 17:53.27 | Beladona | or you can wait for Iriel to compile it, and you will have a better overview |
| 17:53.35 | cogwheel | Abenadi: yes |
| 17:53.50 | Kevorkian | cogwheel: yes, yes, did I mention the catholic priest? |
| 17:53.55 | Abenadi | That's |
| 17:54.08 | Abenadi | "ok", but still a waste of screen space for a healer |
| 17:54.20 | Beladona | that isn't the only solution though |
| 17:54.57 | Abenadi | is there a 'better' one? |
| 17:55.25 | cogwheel | Abenadi: a lot of people are still stuck thinking in 1.12 ways |
| 17:55.30 | Beladona | aye |
| 17:55.36 | cogwheel | there is a lot of new functionality being introduced in 2.0 |
| 17:55.50 | cogwheel | and it's only a matter of time before authors begin to take full advantage of them |
| 17:56.21 | Beladona | I think it will take some of us who understand teh changes making some addons to actually get the rest of the community on-board. So when Beta hits, lets see what happens |
| 17:56.47 | Beladona | look at when the game was first developed. It took people a little time to start making advanced addons |
| 17:56.57 | Beladona | they needed time to learn the system |
| 17:57.05 | Beladona | it won't be that bad this time, but similar |
| 17:59.48 | jaxdahl | will you still be able to autoremove buffs on yourself? |
| 17:59.56 | jaxdahl | such as a tank with salvation |
| 18:00.05 | jaxdahl | there are addons that automatically remove it for you |
| 18:00.12 | Kevorkian | beladona: I used to do financial analysis software. one of the funny things about human psychology is we're more worried about losing what we have than we are elated at what we might get |
| 18:00.28 | cogwheel | jaxdahl: that will depend if they make CancelBuff protected or not |
| 18:01.28 | TS|Skrom | so hooking CastSpell and CastSpellByName are out too? |
| 18:01.41 | cogwheel | not really |
| 18:01.51 | cogwheel | they have a way to hook secure functions |
| 18:01.59 | jaxdahl | cogwheel, i'm asking because of the new hunter spell |
| 18:02.01 | jaxdahl | misdirection |
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| 18:02.15 | jaxdahl | it would be nice to have squishies be able to autoremove that buff |
| 18:02.25 | jaxdahl | if an hunter put it on them |
| 18:02.27 | TS|Skrom | cogwheel elaborate when you have a moment :) |
| 18:02.56 | cogwheel | TS|Skrom: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=6447 |
| 18:03.15 | cogwheel | * Added a script function hooksecurefunc("function", hookfunc), which allows addons to hook secure functions without affecting the flow of execution. The hook function will be called after the secure function with the same arguments as the secure function. The return value of the hook function will be discarded. Note that this is the only safe way to hook functions that execute protected... |
| 18:03.16 | cogwheel | ...functionality. |
| 18:06.00 | TS|Skrom | ah well, there goes my heal helper, but I should be able to fix the totem timers |
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| 18:10.52 | Gryphen | :o |
| 18:10.56 | asfd | Hi |
| 18:10.59 | Breeze | hi :p |
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| 18:11.02 | Gryphen | heya |
| 18:11.03 | cogwheel | yo |
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| 18:11.09 | asfd | Wake up everyone |
| 18:11.12 | asfd | Its party time |
| 18:11.16 | Breeze | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:11.20 | deci | calm down Wyrm |
| 18:11.27 | beerke | can you cut the crap asfd |
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| 18:12.11 | Gryphen | wtf |
| 18:12.14 | cogwheel | that was interesting |
| 18:12.15 | MoonWolf | .... |
| 18:12.19 | Cide | holy spam |
| 18:12.27 | cogwheel | maybe someone who was unhappy about the 2.0 changes? |
| 18:12.29 | cogwheel | XD |
| 18:12.34 | Abenadi | that's what we really need as a 41-pt holy talent |
| 18:12.35 | [Cu]Werik | ... |
| 18:12.39 | Abenadi | holy spam |
| 18:12.49 | cogwheel | hehe |
| 18:13.20 | bindi | lol |
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| 18:15.17 | tyroney|work | Man, I wanna play with my mods in the new API. |
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| 18:15.32 | cogwheel | tyroney|work: QFT |
| 18:17.08 | cogwheel | An addon that automatically sets your focus when you begin to cast polymorph :D |
| 18:17.28 | cogwheel | though I suppose you'd just make a macro... |
| 18:17.40 | tyroney|work | Mmm... focus... |
| 18:18.02 | cogwheel | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:18.35 | cogwheel | It *is* kinda sad that you can't randomize pig/sheep/turtle |
| 18:18.39 | TS|Skrom | wht does /focus do? |
| 18:18.55 | TS|Skrom | sorry :( |
| 18:19.01 | cogwheel | TS|Skrom: remember this? http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=6447 |
| 18:19.03 | TS|Skrom | didn't see it in the other threads, but I guess I'm blind |
| 18:19.41 | cogwheel | your focus becomes a known unit |
| 18:19.43 | tyroney|work | How about a mod that sets focus, and if it's already set, pops back to it before casting the sheep? |
| 18:19.48 | cogwheel | like raid1 or party3target |
| 18:20.18 | tyroney|work | Suddenly we can uniquely identify some arbitrary single mob! |
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| 18:20.49 | cogwheel | yep. but i doubt you could access, say, party2focus |
| 18:22.02 | cogwheel | It'll make it much easier as a lock in the Garr fight |
| 18:22.08 | cogwheel | i'll actually be able to help with DPS :) |
| 18:23.10 | cogwheel | though I don't know how much of Garr i'll be seeing once BC comes :P |
| 18:23.12 | tyroney|work | I'm excited to dust off my priest and finish leveling him. |
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| 18:34.25 | cogwheel | I love my wife... here's an IM i just got from home: Fing POS Undead Lock in full Nemesis gear went PvP in the hinterlands where I was collecting Ghost Mushrooms and I accidently clicked on him :S |
| 18:34.28 | cogwheel | XD |
| 18:34.58 | TS|Skrom | rofl |
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| 18:37.27 | Hexarobi | hehehe |
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| 18:42.20 | TS|Skrom | bwahaha my boss just called me into her office in a panic |
| 18:42.30 | TS|Skrom | she's on the phone with the payroll tech support and get this: |
| 18:42.44 | TS|Skrom | accidently clicked on her yahoo toolbar and didn't know how to get back to her payroll program |
| 18:42.51 | TS|Skrom | her mind must have blanked there lol |
| 18:42.55 | Kaso | ha |
| 18:55.23 | cogwheel | Man I wish I had $350 when I went to a star trek convention back in '91 (i was 10 at the time :P) |
| 18:55.38 | cogwheel | that would've gotten me a tricorder that's worth almost $5000 today... |
| 19:02.00 | Abenadi | does anyone have a link to the info about downranked spells not getting the same spelldamage benefit? |
| 19:02.18 | Plorkyeran | No official post on it yet |
| 19:03.03 | Abenadi | oh... is the unofficial info from a reputable source? |
| 19:04.01 | Plorkyeran | No, just lots of non-reputable sources |
| 19:04.30 | Abenadi | well here's to hoping they're all wrong |
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| 19:04.41 | tyroney|work | Sometimes, I almost want to try starting some rumor about something like that. |
| 19:04.50 | Plorkyeran | I really hope they aren't |
| 19:05.00 | Plorkyeran | Having Heal2 be my primary heal is stupid enough now |
| 19:05.49 | Abenadi | how does it help you if they're true... |
| 19:06.54 | Plorkyeran | It means that they're making an effort to have things not be retarded |
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| 19:07.45 | Abenadi | btw looks like shadow reach got ninja buffed to a 2pt talent |
| 19:08.01 | Plorkyeran | And I'm not worried about being nerfed, as content will be balanced around whatever my healing power happens to be |
| 19:08.39 | Abenadi | I don't really see it that way |
| 19:09.03 | Abenadi | how +healing affects downranking will cause some classes to be more effective than others at small heals |
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| 19:09.49 | Abenadi | if I can't get the full benefit of +heal on my heal4 or w/e, then I might as well let paladins do all the spot healing and I'll spam spike coverage |
| 19:09.53 | Plorkyeran | It'll mainly hurt druids, and I don't really care about druids :P |
| 19:09.59 | Thunder_Child | Dru = HoT healer, Pri = Burst healer |
| 19:10.34 | Thunder_Child | and i dunno about shammys |
| 19:11.21 | Plorkyeran | Why would you want to be a spot healer, espeically with no EMs? |
| 19:11.44 | Abenadi | because sometimes that's all there is... |
| 19:12.16 | Plorkyeran | Then you have too many healers, or badly assigned healing |
| 19:12.39 | Plorkyeran | And one of the changes in TBC is that the hybrids will be spending less time healing |
| 19:13.19 | Abenadi | ummm no it does not mean we have too many healers or badly assigned healing |
| 19:13.42 | Abenadi | Unless you change your raid members after every boss / trash mob |
| 19:14.00 | Plorkyeran | People can switch between healing and dps... |
| 19:14.04 | Abenadi | and I'd like to see your blue link on the hybrid issue |
| 19:14.25 | Plorkyeran | Uh, have you looked at any of the class changes? |
| 19:14.36 | Abenadi | w/e |
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| 19:22.28 | GremWarsong | Does anyone know if there's a way to hook to a UI event that triggers when you find an herb/ore on the minimap via the 'Find Mineral/Herb' skill? |
| 19:22.39 | GremWarsong | I basically want a message to appear if there is ore or herb in range |
| 19:22.53 | Abenadi | not that i know of |
| 19:22.55 | cogwheel | Not possible |
| 19:23.10 | cogwheel | the minimap is rendered outside of the UI system |
| 19:23.18 | GremWarsong | Really? hmm =/ |
| 19:23.41 | cogwheel | It has intimate ties with the UI, but it's basically handled separately by the game |
| 19:23.45 | Plorkyeran | You can make the minimap extremely small, move it under the mouse cursor, parse the tooltip, then move it back |
| 19:23.46 | GremWarsong | Is there any way to check if an ore or herb is near? |
| 19:23.56 | Plorkyeran | But it doesn't work very well |
| 19:24.02 | GremWarsong | Plork, interesting ;-) |
| 19:24.25 | GremWarsong | Yeah, not exactly what I was looking for, but definitely in the right direction |
| 19:24.32 | Plorkyeran | The flickering is extremly noticable |
| 19:24.41 | Plorkyeran | At least with Rowne's implementation |
| 19:28.06 | tyroney|work | One might be able to move just the frame (or whatever it is) that holds the dots. |
| 19:28.15 | dreyruugr | Plorkyeran: He should just make another minimap frame |
| 19:28.40 | tyroney|work | dreyruugr: have you tried doing that? Last time I did, I think bad things happened. |
| 19:28.53 | dreyruugr | I did it once a few weeks ago, it seemed to work ok |
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| 19:29.41 | GremWarsong | How can you write a minimap without getting object coordinates |
| 19:30.37 | tyroney|work | I think he means just instancing a redundant minimap. |
| 19:30.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | my battle map is the entire world map. |
| 19:31.56 | Plorkyeran | Yeah, that's what it displays when there isn't a local map.. |
| 19:32.03 | dreyruugr | I do, as opposed to futzing around with Blizzards |
| 19:34.45 | GremWarsong | uhm |
| 19:34.50 | GremWarsong | Im talking about the tiny minimap in the corner |
| 19:35.38 | GremWarsong | I wonder if there is a cool way to draw map notes to the minimap |
| 19:35.44 | GremWarsong | Like in the zone map |
| 19:35.58 | GremWarsong | map notes on zone map appearing on minimap, is there anything out there like that? |
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| 19:37.29 | ckknight | hey all |
| 19:39.57 | Cairenn|afk | hi ckknight |
| 19:40.06 | ckknight | you're not afk. |
| 19:40.24 | Cairenn|afk | I was, and am about to be again, so didn't bother changing it |
| 19:40.34 | Cairenn|afk | Thanksgiving up here today |
| 19:41.40 | cogwheel | lucky you... |
| 19:41.45 | cogwheel | we just have silly columbus day |
| 19:42.22 | Cairenn|afk | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:42.32 | Cairenn|afk | not much of a celebration around this house today |
| 19:45.41 | cogwheel | 'least you don't have to go to work :P |
| 19:46.00 | Cairenn|afk | cogwheel: if I'm at my computer, I'm at work |
| 19:46.07 | cogwheel | oh... |
| 19:46.45 | Cairenn|afk | and trust me, I'd rather have to "go to work" than what has happened |
| 19:48.10 | ckknight | cogwheel, Discoverers' Day now. |
| 19:48.19 | ckknight | we can no longer worship Columbus today |
| 19:48.23 | ckknight | the Native Americans will get upset |
| 19:48.25 | jaxdahl | blue post archive isn't working at this point |
| 19:48.25 | Cairenn|afk | anyway, off again, back later |
| 19:48.33 | krka | take care |
| 19:48.52 | krka | no pun intended this time |
| 19:49.09 | cogwheel | Meh... I think Cinco de Mayo gets more play in my area than "columbus day" anyway... |
| 19:49.15 | Cairenn|afk | thanks krka =`( |
| 19:52.47 | TS|Skrom | how many rep to get from revered to exalted? |
| 19:52.56 | axxo | 21k |
| 19:53.08 | TS|Skrom | from revered to exalted |
| 19:53.09 | TS|Skrom | ? |
| 19:53.14 | TS|Skrom | not from neutral... |
| 19:53.19 | Kaso | yes |
| 19:53.21 | axxo | 21k |
| 19:53.22 | TS|Skrom | holy crap |
| 19:53.30 | Kaso | welcome to world of repgrind |
| 19:53.48 | Kaso | whatcha after? |
| 19:53.57 | axxo | exalted ad/zandalar/ch/if/brood ftw |
| 19:54.00 | TS|Skrom | just asking in general, my bro is working on his warsong |
| 19:55.09 | Kaso | <-- two other faction mounts, exhalted with every instance's rep (inc cc and AD) |
| 19:55.14 | Kaso | yay for grinding! |
| 19:55.36 | Abenadi | i only get exalted with the factions that matter =P |
| 19:55.42 | Abenadi | primarily, zg |
| 19:56.17 | axxo | timbermaw defender ftw |
| 19:56.22 | Abenadi | lol |
| 19:56.24 | Abenadi | someone in our guild got that |
| 19:56.29 | axxo | in mine too |
| 19:56.30 | Abenadi | and in its premier appearance |
| 19:56.32 | cogwheel | Yay! quality discussion and suggestions for 2.0! who'd've thunk? http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=32336727&sid=1 |
| 19:56.34 | Abenadi | it just stood there and did nothing |
| 19:56.42 | axxo | need to be below 20% |
| 19:56.48 | axxo | or something |
| 19:57.03 | Abenadi | isn't it supposed to cast pew pew lightning if it isn't healing? |
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| 20:07.57 | cogwheel | login server down? there hasn't been a single post on UI & Macros for 5 whole minutes! |
| 20:08.02 | cogwheel | :) |
| 20:09.34 | TS|Skrom | my coworker just asked my opinion on what game boy she should get her five year old |
| 20:09.44 | cogwheel | :| |
| 20:09.52 | TS|Skrom | I told her try a bookl |
| 20:09.57 | Kirov | TS|Skrom - hehe |
| 20:09.58 | TS|Skrom | she said "we have books" |
| 20:09.59 | cogwheel | hehe |
| 20:10.11 | Kirov | TS|Skrom - "try e-book" |
| 20:10.13 | TS|Skrom | I said, get her "war and peace" if she gets through that by NEXT christmas then we can talk about a gameboy |
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| 20:10.34 | cogwheel | She should really wait a few more years before getting a game boy |
| 20:10.44 | TS|Skrom | no kidding |
| 20:10.46 | cogwheel | I remember how hard Super Mario Brothers was when i was 7 |
| 20:11.02 | cogwheel | then i bought the GBC version a couple years ago and breezed through it in one sitting... |
| 20:11.04 | TS|Skrom | the kids already got electrical doodads up the waz |
| 20:11.08 | Mery | lol same but mostly due to the fact that you couldn't save |
| 20:11.08 | TS|Skrom | she doesn't NEED a game boy |
| 20:12.09 | Mery | and today well today it's more a like suicide run: either make it fast or not at all |
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| 20:23.00 | Kirkburn | Iriel, the Concise 2.0 Changes post has reached the post limit |
| 20:23.23 | Kirkburn | (someone tried to continue it here: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=32335982&sid=1) |
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| 20:26.21 | Corrodias | not concise enough |
| 20:30.08 | Industrial | http://www.imagesocket.com/view/WoWScrnShot_100906_222601d3d.jpg |
| 20:30.11 | Industrial | http://www.imagesocket.com/view/WoWScrnShot_100906_222607413.jpg |
| 20:30.12 | Industrial | http://www.imagesocket.com/view/WoWScrnShot_100906_222620774.jpg |
| 20:30.14 | Industrial | Making unitframes :P |
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| 20:32.12 | Corrodias | whoa, sudden influx of member applications to our guild |
| 20:32.20 | Industrial | text will go on the left, buffs on the right and debuffs right of that |
| 20:33.37 | Corrodias | looks like a group of ~5 buddies want to join |
| 20:34.12 | Corrodias | let's see, the first image has loaded |
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| 20:34.59 | malreth | wheeeeeeee! |
| 20:35.03 | malreth | puppies! |
| 20:35.11 | Kirov | *blink* |
| 20:35.22 | Industrial | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:35.39 | malreth | wha? huh? I've never won anything before! WoW1 |
| 20:35.51 | Corrodias | i see some default unitframes there. am i to ignore those? |
| 20:36.08 | Industrial | Corrodias: yes... |
| 20:36.15 | GremWarsong | lol |
| 20:36.16 | Industrial | Corrodias: the bars on top of my actionbar :P |
| 20:36.16 | Corrodias | i can only assume that what you're trying to show me is the little bars in the middle |
| 20:36.22 | Industrial | yea |
| 20:36.26 | GremWarsong | those arent really unit frames |
| 20:36.50 | Industrial | they are health/mana bars |
| 20:37.05 | Industrial | clickable, though - so technically unitframes |
| 20:37.10 | Industrial | =) |
| 20:37.14 | GremWarsong | My girlfriend wants someone to make a 'girly interface' |
| 20:37.24 | GremWarsong | flowers around the unit frames |
| 20:37.34 | GremWarsong | and everything pink and hello kitty |
| 20:37.39 | krka | wasn't there a super girly theme before that got taunted? |
| 20:37.43 | krka | from some disney movie or something |
| 20:37.49 | GremWarsong | Dunno, I havent found any |
| 20:38.00 | GremWarsong | girlfriend would love it though im sure |
| 20:38.04 | malreth | girly interface? |
| 20:38.15 | GremWarsong | Yeah, id make one if I had time |
| 20:38.16 | malreth | http://www.go-girly.com/ |
| 20:38.32 | cogwheel | they really need to get coreiel over to the UI & Macros forum to lay some smack down on the trolls |
| 20:38.47 | malreth | oh yeah! |
| 20:39.02 | GremWarsong | Yeah, she wants a very pink and happy interface |
| 20:39.26 | GremWarsong | with a neon pink xp bar and so forth |
| 20:39.27 | malreth | go-girly interface would be pink and happy and it'd have lesbians |
| 20:40.51 | abug | mmm lesbians |
| 20:40.54 | GremWarsong | I think a girly interface would be hugely popular |
| 20:41.02 | GremWarsong | And bring more female attention to WoW |
| 20:41.59 | Corrodias | or just play on stereotypes about females and pink |
| 20:42.11 | krka | http://cache.kotaku.com/gaming/images/oddWoW.jpg |
| 20:42.23 | GremWarsong | krka, that's awesome |
| 20:42.27 | GremWarsong | My girlfriend would worship you |
| 20:42.30 | GremWarsong | Where can I get that? |
| 20:42.30 | Corrodias | good -god- |
| 20:42.32 | Kirov | Corrodias - there's a female programer here at work who's windows scheme is all pink |
| 20:42.49 | GremWarsong | That's exactly what I was talking about krka =) |
| 20:42.56 | krka | i googled for "world of warcraft" ui lilo stitch |
| 20:43.02 | GremWarsong | yeah |
| 20:43.05 | GremWarsong | she loves lilo and stitch |
| 20:43.11 | GremWarsong | she would shit with happiness |
| 20:43.37 | malreth | not an image i needed... |
| 20:43.47 | abug | some of us enjoy it |
| 20:43.55 | GremWarsong | Haha |
| 20:43.59 | malreth | ~whaleslap abug |
| 20:44.00 | purl | ACTION beats abug upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 20:44.03 | krka | i dont know where to find the actual ui |
| 20:44.04 | abug | right cogwheel? |
| 20:44.24 | malreth | the lilo ui was probably a mockup |
| 20:44.34 | GremWarsong | Yeah |
| 20:44.34 | malreth | or one person's custom discord art job |
| 20:44.36 | GremWarsong | =( |
| 20:44.42 | GremWarsong | Its definitely a mockup |
| 20:45.00 | cogwheel | abug hmm? |
| 20:45.03 | fox689_ | ~whaleslap a_kitten |
| 20:45.05 | purl | ACTION beats a_kitten upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 20:45.11 | cogwheel | GremWarsong: easily doable with DART |
| 20:45.24 | GremWarsong | What's DART do? |
| 20:45.44 | Kirov | ~lozareth |
| 20:45.47 | purl | A man who developed a popular package of addons that offers unrivalled customizability at the cost of memory - http://www.discordmods.com |
| 20:45.47 | cogwheel | http://www.discordmods.com/cgi-bin/page.pl?mod=DART |
| 20:45.50 | malreth | DART is Discord Art |
| 20:46.15 | GremWarsong | Wow |
| 20:46.17 | GremWarsong | that looks awesome |
| 20:46.35 | GremWarsong | in-game script editor? lol |
| 20:46.55 | Xuerian | It is a terrible and yet terribly awesome mod, most of us will admit ;P |
| 20:47.14 | GremWarsong | It looks...excessive |
| 20:47.22 | GremWarsong | Is it poorly programmed? Or just excessive? |
| 20:47.32 | malreth | it really is the only thing that does what it does... much the same way that an enema is the only thing that does what it does |
| 20:47.43 | GremWarsong | yum |
| 20:47.44 | Xuerian | XD |
| 20:47.57 | malreth | it's excessive |
| 20:48.01 | Xuerian | Yes, it's excessive, that's mostly the issue |
| 20:48.39 | GremWarsong | It looks a bit dangerous too |
| 20:48.40 | krka | in game script editor? what? |
| 20:49.13 | cogwheel | I prefer LuaSlinger+MonoLua+ForAllIndentsAndPurposes for script editing in-game |
| 20:49.37 | GremWarsong | Yeah, im sure there are more qualified in-game script editors |
| 20:49.49 | GremWarsong | But the fact that a mod that's not entirely about a script editor |
| 20:49.56 | GremWarsong | has a script editor |
| 20:50.06 | Xuerian | It's rather used, though |
| 20:50.12 | GremWarsong | Yeah |
| 20:50.19 | GremWarsong | I can see why it would go along with it nicely |
| 20:51.39 | krka | all my grand plans included a script editor |
| 20:51.42 | krka | but i'm too lazy :P |
| 20:52.29 | GremWarsong | cogwheel, that would be huge overhead... |
| 20:52.39 | GremWarsong | HUGE fucking overhead |
| 20:52.42 | malreth | cogwheel: awesome idea! |
| 20:52.46 | Kirov | lets see |
| 20:52.52 | GremWarsong | That will so never happen |
| 20:52.56 | cogwheel | They would only have to do it in batches |
| 20:53.08 | cogwheel | Once a week... it might take a month or two before everyone has pictures |
| 20:53.10 | Kirov | 7 million * ~100kb = a lot! |
| 20:53.10 | abug | I think he means just like a number representing the already preformed icon for every possibility |
| 20:53.12 | GremWarsong | It would even cause more latency when viewing the forums |
| 20:53.16 | Corrodias | those who predicted our guild alliance would fall apart: thou art the prophet |
| 20:53.27 | GremWarsong | Because you'd have to download each avatar for eac player you viewed the posts of |
| 20:53.56 | cogwheel | I don't like being a "but they do it over here" type of guy but... |
| 20:54.04 | Kirov | I was just thinking the other day, "man, if only the 10 second load times on the bliz forum could be slower, that'd be great!" |
| 20:54.05 | cogwheel | Eve does it ;) |
| 20:54.10 | abug | eve is tiny |
| 20:54.20 | Kirov | cogwheel - They have 5 players, they can afford it |
| 20:54.23 | cogwheel | 1/70th the size |
| 20:54.30 | cogwheel | approximately. |
| 20:54.48 | GremWarsong | Well, Eve also generates 1/70th the income |
| 20:54.50 | GremWarsong | Hehe |
| 20:55.21 | GremWarsong | The problem is that WoW avatar faces are not distinct and different |
| 20:55.26 | abug | damn those laws of nature, why can't we break them and make server current break the speed of light |
| 20:55.27 | GremWarsong | Whereas there are a million different Eve face possibilies |
| 20:55.31 | cogwheel | It would be doable... it would just take a couple of those new seagate HDs |
| 20:55.38 | cogwheel | and a couple extra servers |
| 20:55.47 | GremWarsong | lol |
| 20:56.33 | cogwheel | And if they only did it for toons that have made posts on the forums... |
| 20:56.38 | cogwheel | and you don't get an avatar until after you post at least once... |
| 20:56.45 | cogwheel | it really wouldn't be that massive. |
| 20:56.46 | Kirov | actually, hmm |
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| 20:56.51 | Kirov | it's about 30 gigs |
| 20:57.03 | Kirov | 7 mil * 4kb |
| 20:57.12 | GremWarsong | more than 4kb probably |
| 20:57.18 | malreth | 7 mil * 50 chars *4 kb |
| 20:57.36 | Kirov | GremWarsong - that's how big the current forum avatars are |
| 20:57.39 | GremWarsong | 50 chars? |
| 20:57.41 | Kirov | they're .gifs |
| 20:57.43 | malreth | might as well plan for the max number of chars per account |
| 20:57.44 | GremWarsong | ah |
| 20:57.59 | Kirov | so, 900 gigs |
| 20:58.00 | Kaso | you wouldnt even been that though, theres only a finite combination of models + head chest and shoulder gear |
| 20:58.10 | Kirov | er |
| 20:58.12 | GremWarsong | It would be pointless |
| 20:58.13 | Kirov | math bad |
| 20:58.16 | GremWarsong | there just arent enough face combinations |
| 20:58.24 | GremWarsong | To make a player even remotely distinct |
| 20:58.24 | cogwheel | but you wouldn't need to do everyone. |
| 20:58.29 | Kirov | 1.5 tb |
| 20:58.30 | cogwheel | only people who post in the forums |
| 20:58.38 | cogwheel | and only the chars that those people use to post with |
| 20:58.42 | malreth | and kaso speaks the truth |
| 20:59.05 | GremWarsong | Yeah, many combinations could be reused |
| 20:59.41 | malreth | start with player #1, generate hash function based on race, gender, face, details, armor, etc., generate portrait if hash doesn't exist yet, store, go to player #2, repeat |
| 20:59.51 | cogwheel | yep |
| 20:59.58 | GremWarsong | They would do better just to generate every combination |
| 21:00.01 | GremWarsong | and then store them |
| 21:00.13 | malreth | GremWarsong: *points to the hash function bit* |
| 21:00.13 | GremWarsong | and index them accordingly |
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| 21:00.17 | malreth | yep yep |
| 21:00.27 | malreth | that's usin' the noodle |
| 21:00.34 | Kaso | haha |
| 21:00.38 | GremWarsong | Yeah, I thought you meant do that after a player posts the first time |
| 21:00.45 | GremWarsong | Should all be pre-generated |
| 21:00.56 | GremWarsong | Eve cant do that because of the billion facial options |
| 21:00.57 | GremWarsong | WoW could |
| 21:01.01 | Kirov | lets guestimate ... 6 skin colors, 6 hair styles, 6 skin colors, 6 face types, 6 facial features, 2000 sholders, 2000 chests, 2000 head peices |
| 21:01.06 | Shadowed | krka you happen to be here? |
| 21:01.10 | GremWarsong | 2000, yeah right |
| 21:01.12 | GremWarsong | Try 100 |
| 21:01.15 | malreth | ~calc |
| 21:01.16 | purl | C-style arbitrary precision calculator. URL: http://reality.sgi.com/chongo/tech/comp/calc/ |
| 21:01.26 | Shadowed | ~seen krka |
| 21:01.44 | purl | krka is currently on #wowi-lounge (1d 1h 19m 59s) #wowace (1d 1h 19m 59s). Has said a total of 32 messages. Is idling for 10m 2s, last said: 'but i'm too lazy :P'. |
| 21:01.44 | malreth | ~calc 6*6*6*6*6*100*100*100 |
| 21:01.46 | Kirov | GremWarsong - fair enough |
| 21:02.06 | malreth | bah... |
| 21:02.12 | GremWarsong | It wouldnt be an expensive feature after our thorough analysis |
| 21:02.13 | cogwheel | well over 7 billion |
| 21:02.15 | Kaso | you broke purl ! |
| 21:02.18 | jaxdahl | 2^5*3^5*1000000 |
| 21:02.21 | cogwheel | it would be cheaper to render them individually |
| 21:02.24 | GremWarsong | Really? |
| 21:02.25 | GremWarsong | ah |
| 21:02.27 | GremWarsong | damn |
| 21:02.42 | jaxdahl | 32*243*1M |
| 21:02.58 | malreth | ~math 6*6*6*6*6*100*100*100 |
| 21:03.22 | Kirov | 77760000 |
| 21:03.45 | krka | yeah i am kinda hear |
| 21:03.58 | cogwheel | missed a couple 0s there, kirov |
| 21:03.58 | GremWarsong | Who cares about forum avatars anyway |
| 21:04.05 | cogwheel | I do :P |
| 21:04.10 | Kaso | ha, yeh this is a odd conversation |
| 21:04.11 | GremWarsong | ugh |
| 21:04.13 | cogwheel | it makes it easier to see who's responding to whom |
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| 21:04.18 | GremWarsong | character face appearance means nothing |
| 21:04.20 | GremWarsong | I guess |
| 21:04.21 | Shadowed | krka: You happen to have some info on how to calibrate a map for MapLibrary? can't get the info i need accurately without a mod |
| 21:04.29 | Kaso | i think the conclusion is its alot more work that its worth :> |
| 21:04.35 | cogwheel | when you have three different gnome warriors in the same thread, it would be a lot easier to follow the conversation |
| 21:04.35 | krka | the theory is simple |
| 21:04.47 | GremWarsong | Just look at their name |
| 21:04.47 | GremWarsong | lol |
| 21:04.48 | krka | stand in two different places |
| 21:04.59 | krka | check the coordinates in all available maps |
| 21:05.00 | Kirov | GremWarsong - that requires knowing how to read though! |
| 21:05.13 | krka | use simple algebra to deduce scale factors and offsets |
| 21:05.27 | GremWarsong | hah |
| 21:05.38 | Kirov | krka - by simple you mean "150 lines of calc" |
| 21:05.56 | cogwheel | Our brains are wired from birth to recognize faces. It makes the connection orders of magnitude faster to see a different face than to try to read names at every instance of the same face |
| 21:05.56 | Abenadi | if that happened, some people would change their gear every time they logged off so their avatar would have the appearance they preferred |
| 21:06.07 | cogwheel | Abenadi: it would only update during the maintenance |
| 21:06.43 | GremWarsong | Most people choose the same faces |
| 21:06.53 | Shadowed | krka: alright thanks, will have to try to get these battleground maps calibrated then |
| 21:06.53 | GremWarsong | we arent wired to recognize epic shoulder pieces |
| 21:06.56 | Abenadi | well there's one thing that would be cool about that feature for sure... |
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| 21:07.06 | Abenadi | halloween masks in Oct/Nov |
| 21:07.12 | Kirov | lol |
| 21:07.26 | cogwheel | GremWarsong: even a different color of shirt between two avatars next to each other would make the difference between them highly visible |
| 21:07.32 | GremWarsong | only if you wore it right before server down probably |
| 21:07.34 | cogwheel | (except for color blind people of course ;) ) |
| 21:07.36 | GremWarsong | yeah cog |
| 21:07.39 | GremWarsong | lol |
| 21:08.15 | krka | Shadowed: maplibrary doesn't really apply to battlegrounds |
| 21:08.17 | krka | no reference points |
| 21:08.24 | GremWarsong | I hate the Bliz forums, otherwise id probably be more passionate to the idea |
| 21:08.33 | Abenadi | Actually I would probably have a halloween mask character that I only logged on during the event so my avatar could always be wearing a halloween amsk |
| 21:08.36 | Abenadi | mask* |
| 21:08.43 | cogwheel | hehe |
| 21:09.03 | Shadowed | krka: they all have maps though, or wil it not work still? |
| 21:09.05 | Shadowed | wil = will |
| 21:09.52 | JoshBorke | hola! |
| 21:09.55 | Corrodias | blizzard forums: flamefest '06 |
| 21:10.04 | GremWarsong | Yeah, they are pain |
| 21:10.06 | malreth | it's sad when it seems that the UI forum seems less constructive than the General forum... :( |
| 21:10.15 | GremWarsong | lol! |
| 21:10.18 | Corrodias | blizzard web site: Service Temporarily Unavailable |
| 21:10.22 | cogwheel | Especially with people like Tauruse trolling around |
| 21:10.31 | malreth | i'm having more fun reading general about 17year old girls with cancer |
| 21:10.32 | krka | maplibrarys main purpose is to translate coordinates between different maps |
| 21:10.40 | Corrodias | and you guys starting rumors about Visual Basic in 2.1 :) |
| 21:10.45 | krka | in battlegrounds, you only have coordinates on one map, the battleground map |
| 21:10.52 | Shadowed | ah |
| 21:11.12 | krka | maplibrary uses this information to avoid switching map unnecessarily |
| 21:11.40 | Rallion | woooooooooooo! that is all. |
| 21:11.49 | GremWarsong | good contribution Rallion |
| 21:11.50 | Shadowed | hrm |
| 21:11.53 | krka | if the player has chosen to view the world map, but some addon needs to know the players coordinates in the current map, it doesn't need to change map view, it can just calculate it from the world map |
| 21:11.58 | Shadowed | ah |
| 21:11.59 | krka | pretty much |
| 21:12.49 | Shadowed | Well, that's going to make figuring out kill bonus a bit hard :/ |
| 21:12.49 | krka | also useful in AutoTravel to make seamless transitions over zone boundaries |
| 21:12.50 | krka | which was the original purpose |
| 21:12.50 | GremWarsong | autotravel? whats that? |
| 21:12.50 | Corrodias | clad|work is at work :( |
| 21:12.52 | Rallion | AutoTravel isa dead giant. |
| 21:12.59 | GremWarsong | yeah |
| 21:13.01 | Shadowed | it was a mod that would let you travel in game without having to do it yourself |
| 21:13.03 | GremWarsong | Thats what I thought you were talking about |
| 21:13.04 | GremWarsong | yeah |
| 21:13.08 | JoshBorke | autotravel was a stroke of genius |
| 21:13.13 | Shadowed | you'd set waypoints and it would auto-run you to locations |
| 21:13.21 | Rallion | it was awesome, and i totally understand why they killed it, but god, it was awesome. |
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| 21:13.32 | Corrodias | i never got to experience autotravel |
| 21:13.38 | Kaso | it was very nice |
| 21:13.39 | GremWarsong | I never used it, but ive read about it |
| 21:13.39 | Corrodias | i think i'm better off, because i don't miss it as much |
| 21:13.48 | Shadowed | it was a fun addon |
| 21:14.02 | Kaso | when it was around i was like 35 so had no mount, i loved it |
| 21:14.07 | cogwheel | My wife started using it about 2 or 3 days before the nerf XD |
| 21:14.19 | Rallion | I had incredibly detailed waypoint sets for all the cities, with points of interest marked, so if I wanted to run to the nearest alchemy trainer in the world, I could type /goto Trainer:Alchemy, and I'd run there. |
| 21:14.34 | Corrodias | nice |
| 21:14.41 | Rallion | I was actually working on a program to allow you to modify your waypoints out of WoW |
| 21:14.49 | Rallion | started that about a week before hte nerf |
| 21:15.01 | Kirov | Rallion - that'd actually still be really useful |
| 21:15.04 | Rallion | honestly, that was the biggest blow...my program was made useless |
| 21:15.12 | Rallion | in what context? |
| 21:15.16 | Abenadi | they must have found out what you were doing and you were directly responsible for the nerf |
| 21:15.20 | Rallion | lol |
| 21:15.21 | Kirov | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:15.25 | Shadowed | it was to prevent botting too |
| 21:15.28 | Rallion | oh, yeah |
| 21:15.34 | Rallion | that would be nice. |
| 21:16.08 | Rallion | yeah, with my setup, you could be at Light's Hope and type /goto Trainer:Priest and it would take you to IF... |
| 21:16.29 | Rallion | that's why I say I understood the nerf. |
| 21:16.36 | Rallion | that was pretty ridiculous. |
| 21:17.03 | tyroney|work | Rallion: corpse runs? |
| 21:17.22 | Kirov | Rallion - yeah, I'll say. There's an alchemy trainer in Undercity! |
| 21:17.38 | Kaso | ha |
| 21:17.58 | Rallion | it could USUALLY do those, but most of the waypoints were along roads and sometimes the run to the nearest WP was blocked...though even then the addon would do little turns if you got stuck to try to get around obstacles |
| 21:18.19 | Rallion | but the later versions allowed you to mark certain waypoints as horde/alliance only! |
| 21:19.08 | Rallion | i think the later versions would actually initiate the corpse run AUTOMATICALLY, and if you were in the middle of an autorun when the death occured if would resume it |
| 21:19.16 | krka | yeah, i implemented that very close to the nerf |
| 21:19.32 | krka | corpse runs were pretty much perfected near the end |
| 21:19.33 | Rallion | yeah. |
| 21:19.41 | Rallion | it was insane, my friend. insane. |
| 21:19.48 | krka | would work best if you had a read nearby your death |
| 21:19.49 | GremWarsong | Getting your mod nerfed is the most frustrating thing ever |
| 21:19.52 | GremWarsong | Its like wasting so much time |
| 21:19.56 | krka | otherwise it ran straight for the closest road first |
| 21:20.16 | krka | nah, it's the highest form of praise :) |
| 21:20.34 | Rallion | oh yeah, it would run to the ROAD, not the waypoint, wouldn't it? |
| 21:20.42 | Rallion | i liked that. |
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| 21:21.42 | krka | it's all good, i probably had more fun writing it than anyone else did using it |
| 21:23.27 | Rallion | pfft, i hardly got to have ANY fun writing my program :P |
| 21:23.38 | malreth | Tauruse is funny! |
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| 21:24.01 | jaxdahl | will whispercast work anymore outside of combat? |
| 21:24.06 | Rallion | I spent four days perfecting a zoomable image panel control, then, poof. |
| 21:24.36 | malreth | out of combat, yes |
| 21:25.19 | Kirov | I don't think it will. I think they said addons can't target or cast at all, not just in combat. |
| 21:25.32 | Kaso | mm, i was going to say that. |
| 21:26.17 | malreth | no, but you can change keybindings and what action buttons will do what out of combat (otherwise, blizz really *would* be ruining the game) |
| 21:26.35 | Abenadi | how does it ruin the game out of combat and not in combat? |
| 21:26.37 | malreth | it would require rewriting whispercast, but I bet it could be done |
| 21:27.01 | malreth | ~burning crusade |
| 21:27.09 | purl | [burning crusade] an expansion pack for the successful MMO, World of Warcraft, by Blizzard. Reportedly, it will break all addons, add Tauren priests, not allow you to target anyone, cast any spells, use any weapons, heal any friends, randomly curse you and 25 of your friends and 25 of their friends, chat, log off, use web browers, or kill things. |
| 21:27.19 | Rallion | the only functionality my UI loses is my giant Overpower/Riposte/etc. button that are only visible when usable |
| 21:27.43 | Rallion | hehehe |
| 21:27.51 | Kaso | who wrote that ? |
| 21:27.59 | Kaso | (purl thing) |
| 21:28.02 | Corrodias | he is everything inSIDE of you that you wish you could be |
| 21:28.09 | malreth | i did |
| 21:28.21 | Kaso | its good :> |
| 21:28.29 | malreth | :) |
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| 21:29.41 | Corrodias | the only thing the expansion will break of mine in terms of the new lockdown is the ability to click on my Squishy and SpellTimer frames to target people and my shift+q decursive key, which i can easily adjust to |
| 21:30.23 | Kirov | Rallion - I think you can still do that actually. |
| 21:30.24 | Rallion | yeah, my giant button isn't a big deal |
| 21:30.38 | Kirov | Rallion - they don't say anything about protecting changing the alpha |
| 21:30.47 | Rallion | hmm |
| 21:30.57 | Rallion | i'm guessing they'll limit that |
| 21:30.57 | Kirov | as long as it's 3 buttons |
| 21:31.14 | Rallion | but even at 10% opacity when off... |
| 21:31.20 | Corrodias | you just can't actually "hide" it |
| 21:31.23 | Rallion | and we CAN still have things only show in combat in general |
| 21:31.30 | Corrodias | you can click it even when it's transparent |
| 21:32.08 | cogwheel | Hopefully they'll remember to protect SetStrata ;) |
| 21:32.21 | Corrodias | shh |
| 21:32.21 | malreth | EnableMouse() |
| 21:32.25 | Rallion | i would be fine with large buttons that are invisible or almost invisible when invalid, as long as they hide out of combat |
| 21:32.25 | Corrodias | SHH |
| 21:32.26 | Kirov | I mean, even if they didn't let you change the opacity of a button, you could just make the button itself invisible and put the icon texture over it and change the alpha of that. |
| 21:32.42 | Corrodias | you guuuuuys, you're gonna ruin it ;) |
| 21:32.50 | Rallion | kirov, clever. |
| 21:32.50 | malreth | bwah ha ha! |
| 21:33.24 | Kaso | I wonder if The NamePlates:Click() will be protected :> |
| 21:33.53 | Rallion | I really think I'd like to do away with the giant button anyway, and do it in a cooler way |
| 21:34.17 | Rallion | like assigning an easy-to-reach hotkey, and tinting the whole screen when it's usable |
| 21:34.56 | Kirov | Rallion - make your entire screen green. |
| 21:35.06 | Kirov | green does wonder for your eyesight |
| 21:35.26 | Kirov | which is why my desktop is bright orange, I hate my eyes |
| 21:35.32 | Rallion | i know that humans see more variation in green shades |
| 21:36.54 | Rallion | which is why 16-bit RGB values are 5-6-5 |
| 21:37.54 | Kirov | Rallion - and why digital cable video compression appears to use 2 bits for red |
| 21:38.17 | malreth | Kirov: that's a little different |
| 21:38.50 | Kirov | kirov - true, that's because some cable exec said, "I hate red, tell the engineers to make red suck." |
| 21:39.01 | Kirov | @#%! |
| 21:39.48 | Hexarobi | anyone have an opinion on temporal video decompression? |
| 21:40.22 | malreth | well, the other components in yuv contain... |
| 21:40.53 | Hexarobi | linear algebra sucks |
| 21:41.19 | CrazierMYKL | boolean algebra sucks moar |
| 21:41.47 | Mikk | not possible |
| 21:41.59 | Rallion | nah |
| 21:42.08 | Rallion | all algebra is a-okay |
| 21:42.20 | CrazierMYKL | linear is at least non-trivial |
| 21:42.57 | Hexarobi | kmaps own boolean algebra |
| 21:43.31 | CrazierMYKL | maps are lose, just solve algebraically |
| 21:43.37 | CrazierMYKL | so much easier |
| 21:44.01 | Hexarobi | i like maps |
| 21:44.07 | Hexarobi | demorgan was a jerk |
| 21:44.18 | Rallion | YOU'RE a jerk! |
| 21:44.26 | Hexarobi | youre a towel! |
| 21:44.35 | malreth | O_O |
| 21:44.36 | Corrodias | don't forget to bring a Rallion |
| 21:44.44 | malreth | later all |
| 21:45.32 | Rallion | "He ripped out his skull and beat him to death with it." |
| 21:46.11 | CrazierMYKL | Your search - "He ripped out his skull and beat him to death with it." - did not match any documents. |
| 21:46.18 | CrazierMYKL | what're you quoting? |
| 21:46.38 | Hexarobi | http://new.wavlist.com/tv/107/508_youreatowel.wav |
| 21:47.05 | CrazierMYKL | not you, rallion |
| 21:47.54 | Rallion | it wasa guess |
| 21:49.42 | Rallion | and...eh. |
| 21:49.55 | Rallion | Red vs Blue, Season 1, Episode9 |
| 21:50.52 | Rallion | or...10 |
| 21:51.07 | Rallion | here wo go: "Tex walked up to him, pulled Jimmy's skull right out of his head and beat him to death with it." |
| 21:51.28 | CrazierMYKL | ah |
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| 22:00.14 | ckknight | hey all |
| 22:05.03 | Abenadi | hi |
| 22:06.54 | Cairenn | hi ckknight |
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| 22:07.41 | Qzot | Heyo. |
| 22:07.48 | Cairenn | hi Qzot |
| 22:07.59 | cogwheel | nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 22:08.07 | cogwheel | and the forums bite the dust :( |
| 22:08.19 | cogwheel | now what am i supposed to do with the rest of my work day? |
| 22:08.20 | Cairenn | cogwheel: normally, I'd agree with you |
| 22:08.33 | Qzot | I didn't do it, cogwheel. |
| 22:08.33 | Cairenn | cogwheel: right now? thank goodness :p |
| 22:14.53 | Industrial | How can I see whose in a wow chat channel? |
| 22:15.22 | Shadowed | /chatlist |
| 22:15.30 | Shadowed | can't remember the function call |
| 22:15.41 | Shadowed | can't remember the function call |
| 22:15.55 | Shadowed | so uh, does anoyneknow how to change mIRC to show text on the left side instead of the right when typing it in? |
| 22:16.06 | cogwheel | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:16.12 | cogwheel | where # is the channel number |
| 22:16.31 | Industrial | k |
| 22:16.33 | CrazierMYKL | ​ |
| 22:16.39 | Industrial | just me in gatherershare :( |
| 22:16.45 | Abenadi | so - I am foreseeing emergency monitor being replaced now by 25 raid-bars, 5 of which are highlighted. So instead of clicking on an emergency bar, you are watching your bars for the ones that light up. |
| 22:16.51 | Abenadi | Does that seem about right? |
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| 22:17.14 | Shadowed | well, that kind of fixes it |
| 22:17.37 | cogwheel | Abenadi, you can still have an emergency monitor that shows you who is in need of healing |
| 22:17.48 | Abenadi | But then you have to hunt for their frame |
| 22:17.52 | Abenadi | might as well light up their frame |
| 22:17.54 | Abenadi | right? |
| 22:18.02 | cogwheel | What might be neat is actually having a line go from their name in the EM to their raid frame >:D |
| 22:18.12 | cogwheel | that was supposed to be an evil grin |
| 22:18.22 | Abenadi | I'm just trying to consider what is going to be the new standard for spot healing |
| 22:19.01 | cogwheel | Abenadi, or imagine a bright red tab that appears next to their raid unit |
| 22:19.07 | Abenadi | And for those of us that like to auto-rank, instead we will have a bar with 5 spells and our mod will highlight the one it suggests we cast. |
| 22:19.08 | cogwheel | that way there's really no hunting involved |
| 22:19.30 | cogwheel | yeah... that one's gonna be kindof a bummer |
| 22:20.05 | CrazierMYKL | they're nerfing auto-spell rank? |
| 22:20.08 | CrazierMYKL | how? |
| 22:20.21 | Abenadi | well there's no castspellbyname... |
| 22:20.33 | cogwheel | CrazierMYKL: please read the thread |
| 22:20.35 | Abenadi | and buttons that cast spells will have their spell locked during combat |
| 22:20.39 | Abenadi | if I understand correctly |
| 22:20.39 | CrazierMYKL | i thought protecting the click-in-world functions was bad, but geez |
| 22:20.58 | Kirov | one thing to note though, if you're casting a buff, it automatically chooses the correct level. |
| 22:21.14 | Abenadi | that will be a nice, should've been in the base UI a long time ago |
| 22:22.43 | Abenadi | these changes make me wish i was a dps class... the clicking requirement is nerfish to healing classes but I like the sound of focus for dps classes. |
| 22:22.49 | Beladona | don't forget about the "highest-rank" feature of some spells. Obviously heals and stuff like that don't do that, but buffs will auto-rank themselves down if the rank is too high |
| 22:22.50 | CrazierMYKL | ah, i missed the topic, sorry |
| 22:23.23 | cogwheel | Heh... i have to remind myself sometimes that not everyone reads the forums |
| 22:23.40 | cogwheel | and now that they're down, I deserve a |
| 22:23.44 | cogwheel | ~slap cogwheel |
| 22:23.46 | purl | ACTION slaps cogwheel, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 22:23.47 | abug | reading the forums too long makes you go crazy like cogwheel |
| 22:23.51 | Hexarobi | i think any attempt to shake 42 sperm whales would result in mostly a vibration... which fails to convey your point |
| 22:23.52 | CrazierMYKL | i think that ruins my mod QQ |
| 22:24.11 | CrazierMYKL | wait, it uses items in combat, and only casts spells out of it |
| 22:24.14 | cogwheel | It's better than shaking my fists... |
| 22:24.55 | jaxdahl | anyone have experience with other MMORPG expansions and how the release dates coincide with when the make the servers go live with new expansion stuff? |
| 22:25.22 | CrazierMYKL | wait, they can't cast spells AT ALL? |
| 22:25.24 | jaxdahl | i am going to make my amazon TBC:CE order ship on the slow, free shipping |
| 22:25.37 | jaxdahl | CrazierMYKL, they can, but with no conditionals |
| 22:25.53 | jaxdahl | ie, no 'smart buttons' |
| 22:25.54 | cogwheel | They'll probably patch it on or very shortly before the release date |
| 22:25.57 | Mikk | Only macros |
| 22:26.00 | abug | the servers go down, they update for hours the day before, the expansion hits store shelves, we all go yay |
| 22:26.05 | CrazierMYKL | this almost completely ruins the game |
| 22:26.14 | Mikk | no. but it ruins lots of addons. |
| 22:26.20 | cogwheel | there will also be a PTR phase so we'll be able to test new addons |
| 22:26.35 | CrazierMYKL | unless i could find a keyboard with more buck-bits |
| 22:26.41 | CrazierMYKL | *bucky-bits |
| 22:26.46 | jaxdahl | i have 2 accounts though so i'll probably pick one up at a local store as well |
| 22:26.49 | cogwheel | CrazierMYKL: once the forums come back up, please take some time to parouse the 2.0 upcoming changes thread before panicking ;) |
| 22:27.00 | CrazierMYKL | i already have nearly every button mapped |
| 22:27.25 | Qzot | Panicked? |
| 22:27.36 | CrazierMYKL | and unmovably action bars? |
| 22:27.45 | CrazierMYKL | the default ui for all? |
| 22:27.47 | CrazierMYKL | barf |
| 22:27.52 | Mikk | Eh? |
| 22:28.01 | Mikk | You can move action bars and stuff just fine afaik. Just not during combat. |
| 22:28.02 | abug | warlocks don't panic, we go yay no more decursive |
| 22:28.14 | CrazierMYKL | all this just because someone at blizz didn't like lazyTank |
| 22:28.30 | Hexarobi | usually the boxes will ship out to stores a couple days before the release, and some people will have it installed 2 or 3 days before it goes live, but it wont do any good until the servers are updated, which is just like a normal patch day |
| 22:28.30 | Mikk | hardly lazytank |
| 22:28.33 | Mikk | more like decursive |
| 22:28.33 | Hexarobi | at least thats how it was on EQ |
| 22:28.43 | cogwheel | CrazierMYKL: please don't assum such things |
| 22:28.49 | cogwheel | assume* |
| 22:29.02 | Abenadi | ok i have an idea, since the new changes prohibit doing proactive range checking for heals, have a hunter stay feigned death for the whole fight and send range information to clients via chat channels! |
| 22:29.10 | cogwheel | I REALLY urge you to hold off comment until you've read slouken's answers to questions on the 2.0 changes thread |
| 22:29.24 | cogwheel | There are a lot of misunderstandings going around |
| 22:29.31 | abug | slouk is looking into range checking for heals |
| 22:30.23 | Mikk | on an unrelated note.... the attack skill show when wielding a fishing pole equals your fishing skill. |
| 22:30.28 | Mikk | does this mean fun stuff for druids? |
| 22:30.28 | Qzot | I hope this acts as an impetus to slough off some older mods, and maybe have a fresh start at clean implementations. |
| 22:30.36 | Mikk | i.e. skill fishing like hell and land crushing blows on everything? |
| 22:31.23 | Abenadi | lol nice thought |
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| 22:32.44 | Qzot | This is not the first time I've heard the fishing skill discussion. My memory is blank, but I suspect this got fixed somewhere. |
| 22:32.59 | Qzot | It would be really bad for 29 WSG. |
| 22:33.25 | Mery | krka: Your mod mad the grinding for the winterspring saber bearable, so thank you! |
| 22:33.36 | Mery | s/mad/made |
| 22:33.56 | abug | ~greet gnor |
| 22:33.57 | purl | ACTION dumps a bucket of cold oatmeal on gnor |
| 22:35.23 | Beladona | ewww, cold oatmeal |
| 22:35.36 | Beladona | almost as bad as soggy pizza |
| 22:43.39 | Qzot | And what's wrong with soggy pizza? |
| 22:44.19 | Corrodias | Qzot: it's always nice to think "finally, we can force the authors of all existing addons to revamp and improve their addons"... but you really can't force them |
| 22:44.35 | Qzot | Force them, no. |
| 22:44.41 | Corrodias | if they lose interest in rewriting them, they just won't |
| 22:44.52 | Qzot | Get them to ponder their past sins? Most definitely. Hehe. |
| 22:44.58 | Qzot | Exactly. |
| 22:45.01 | Corrodias | and the community's "copyright mentality" will keep the addons dead |
| 22:45.36 | Corrodias | at least some of them. perhaps not those of authors that are still around and plan to hand them off to someone else. |
| 22:46.09 | Qzot | If there's not enough interest in maintaining an addon, euthanasia seems like a reasonable choice, imho. |
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| 22:52.59 | CrazierMYKL_ | nerfing decursive is even worse! srsly |
| 22:53.20 | CrazierMYKL_ | addOns like decursive are what makes WoW uber |
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| 22:55.13 | GremWarsong | Maybe |
| 22:55.30 | GremWarsong | Decursive arguably is destructive to WoW |
| 22:55.43 | GremWarsong | It removes certain degrees of 'skill' |
| 22:56.00 | deci | you can close your eyes and push your decursive key and beat pve encounters |
| 22:56.04 | deci | that hardly makes it better |
| 22:56.24 | GremWarsong | yep |
| 22:56.33 | cogwheel | CrazierMYKL: blizzard has said numerous times that they don't like decursive and would disable it if they find a way to do it without breaking functionality that they don't mind |
| 22:56.45 | cogwheel | Apparently, they've found their way ;) |
| 22:56.53 | Abenadi | The only fight design I can think of where cleansing would actually be enjoyable, is a fight that already circumvents decursive |
| 22:57.00 | Abenadi | i.e. grobbulus |
| 22:57.12 | Abenadi | the changes won't make it 'fun' to decurse |
| 22:57.16 | Corrodias | grr. i'm definitely adding my request that we be able to turn our flights around |
| 22:57.36 | Mery | well in some situations actually cleansing may not be meant to be enjoyable if the whole raid is "dumb" enough to even get the debuff |
| 22:57.55 | Corrodias | adding my voice to the popular request, i mean |
| 22:58.21 | GremWarsong | most boss fights arent exactly 'fun' |
| 22:58.25 | GremWarsong | they are designed with stress in mind |
| 22:58.28 | Abenadi | if blizzard was so against decursive idk why they designed noth the way they did. |
| 22:58.34 | GremWarsong | Decursive was just a different aspect of stress than healing |
| 22:58.35 | deci | so now, instead of mashing a key, you'll have to *gasp* pay attention to whats going on and actually target people and remove debuffs |
| 22:58.39 | deci | UNHEARD OF |
| 22:58.42 | Abenadi | that fight says 'players must have decursive and use it' or they fail |
| 22:58.58 | GremWarsong | Rather than, "players must have skill and use it' or they fail |
| 22:59.04 | cogwheel | Abenadi: they don't design encounters for decursive |
| 22:59.12 | GremWarsong | a skilled player can decurse just as fast as decursive can |
| 22:59.20 | cogwheel | every instance is doable without any addons |
| 22:59.26 | GremWarsong | Agreed |
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| 22:59.30 | Mery | no fight can't be done without decurse, 1.5 sec is a long time to get your next target |
| 22:59.36 | GremWarsong | and by skilled I mean, those with excellent hand-eye coordination |
| 22:59.42 | Mery | you just need to actually do somthing |
| 22:59.43 | GremWarsong | Right |
| 22:59.51 | GremWarsong | It simply requires more 'attention' |
| 22:59.53 | Mery | decursive* |
| 22:59.55 | GremWarsong | In all honesty |
| 22:59.55 | Abenadi | no |
| 23:00.08 | Abenadi | because decursive will instantly detect when your potential target no longer needs cleansing |
| 23:00.24 | Abenadi | whereas the 1.5 seconds you allow to reach your next target is completely wiped if someone else cleanses him |
| 23:00.33 | Mery | well then make an order |
| 23:00.44 | Abenadi | which goes to pieces if someone in the order dies |
| 23:00.49 | cogwheel | or assign a single mage to a single group (or groups) |
| 23:01.07 | cogwheel | then as your decurse targets die, start dpsing more |
| 23:01.22 | Abenadi | sorry cog i meant that as a response to your issue |
| 23:01.24 | CrazierMYKL_ | i prefer to be able to raid in the background if i have to |
| 23:01.27 | Abenadi | ie the mage decursing dies |
| 23:01.27 | GremWarsong | This is one of those topics where neither sides win |
| 23:01.48 | cogwheel | ah |
| 23:01.55 | Mery | if a mage did all his targets he goes to group + 1 |
| 23:02.01 | GremWarsong | It was simply a 'feature' that removed complexity from the game |
| 23:02.08 | GremWarsong | Some people appreciate complexity, and some people appreciate simplicity |
| 23:02.10 | CrazierMYKL_ | right, useless complexity |
| 23:02.22 | GremWarsong | Everything can be considered useless complexity |
| 23:02.22 | CrazierMYKL_ | youre supposed to fight the MOBS, not the UI |
| 23:02.28 | cogwheel | CrazierMYKL: what about PvP? |
| 23:02.39 | Shadowed | are we argueing decursive VS no decursive? |
| 23:02.44 | CrazierMYKL_ | yes |
| 23:02.46 | GremWarsong | A silly topic, Shadowed |
| 23:02.47 | cogwheel | Shadowed: pretty much |
| 23:02.56 | CrazierMYKL_ | i rolled a mage partially FOR decursive |
| 23:02.57 | Shadowed | decursive needs to stay |
| 23:03.09 | cogwheel | decursive was the main reason they made the changes |
| 23:03.13 | Shadowed | because in PVP i can run priests OOM by spamming rank 1 SW:P on them and they just mash the decursive button |
| 23:03.25 | Mery | LOL |
| 23:03.26 | Abenadi | I've done that : ) |
| 23:03.56 | Abenadi | spam rank 1 i mean, not mash decursive : ) |
| 23:04.09 | CrazierMYKL_ | if they want to nerf it in PvP, fine |
| 23:04.31 | Shadowed | Decursive is a crutch,end of story. |
| 23:04.39 | CrazierMYKL_ | it's a happy crutch |
| 23:05.07 | GremWarsong | If people had their way, every aspect of WoW would be a crutch |
| 23:05.11 | cogwheel | Decursive makes certain encounters negligible |
| 23:05.14 | GremWarsong | They would make crutches for everything |
| 23:05.15 | CrazierMYKL_ | and i will be angry if it is taken out of existence |
| 23:05.20 | GremWarsong | Many people prefer the game to play for them |
| 23:05.21 | CrazierMYKL_ | big deal |
| 23:05.25 | abug | heh nice asian farmer talent: "Rapid Killing" |
| 23:05.29 | CrazierMYKL_ | then let them |
| 23:05.34 | cogwheel | CrazierMYKL_: it's a done deal... |
| 23:05.40 | Shadowed | alright lets rephrase this |
| 23:05.47 | CrazierMYKL_ | you're paying $15/mo for fun |
| 23:06.02 | cogwheel | so don't play a class you don't find fun... |
| 23:06.03 | CrazierMYKL_ | if decursive makes the game more fun, so be it |
| 23:06.22 | Shadowed | I pay 15$/mo, and it would be fun if i had 10,000 gold |
| 23:06.35 | Mery | ya and I know alot of people that quit (or quit pvp'ing although they like it) because of decursive addons, target priest addons, and so on |
| 23:06.38 | Shadowed | That doesn't mean i can get 10,000 gold just because i pay 15$ a month |
| 23:06.49 | Qzot | The value of a gold piece in my pocket, is directly dependent on the absence of one in yours. |
| 23:07.09 | GremWarsong | Qzot, a brilliant statement =) |
| 23:07.13 | CrazierMYKL_ | every time something makes my life easier, it's nerfed |
| 23:07.21 | CrazierMYKL_ | my "do a 180" macro, dead in 1.10 |
| 23:07.32 | Shadowed | CrazierMYKL you aren't going to change your mind, and you aren't doing to change ours ;) |
| 23:07.41 | Shadowed | easier to agree to disagree |
| 23:07.43 | CrazierMYKL_ | i think RWT should be allowed, personally |
| 23:08.16 | Shadowed | Has anyone made Fubar/titan plugins before? |
| 23:08.33 | Shadowed | and yes, I know fubar is better then titan. but it was requested :p |
| 23:08.45 | Corrodias | if people had their way, they'd just hit one button repeatedly to play. people make addons that almost do that for them anyway. |
| 23:08.55 | Corrodias | they can't quite do it because they don't have movement functions |
| 23:08.59 | cogwheel | CrazierMYKL_: look at it from the devs' perspective... They spend countless hours tweaking and tuning raid encounters to be challenging but doable. Then someone comes along and writes a UI mod that essentially takes the thought out of the fight. How would you feel about all your hard work? |
| 23:09.10 | Shadowed | fyi this is hardly unannounced |
| 23:09.16 | CrazierMYKL_ | so let them |
| 23:09.16 | CrazierMYKL_ | i wouldn't want to do that |
| 23:09.19 | Shadowed | they said I believe 7-8+ months ago that they were trying to disable decursive |
| 23:09.20 | Mery | never did a titan, but fubar (with fubar-plugin2.0) doesn't look hard at all (just looked at some code never actually did one) |
| 23:09.37 | cogwheel | CrazierMYKL_: I have a feeling you didn't really put yourself in their shoes ;) |
| 23:09.44 | Qzot | Corrodias: If people had their way, they'd pay $2 to magically turn level 2, $3 to magically turn into level 3. Then they don't need to mash *any* buttons, just access their paypal accounts. |
| 23:09.45 | Shadowed | personally, I use it in PVP. I can't *stand* it |
| 23:09.45 | CrazierMYKL_ | did he have FUN doing the encounter? |
| 23:09.51 | CrazierMYKL_ | if so, mission accomplished |
| 23:10.01 | Shadowed | Fun for you doesn't mean fun for the majority |
| 23:10.25 | Rallion | some people think it's fun to click madly all over the screen. I do. |
| 23:10.34 | Shadowed | blizzard is a company, if you have 10,000 customers, 9,000 don't want something and 1,000 do. you're going to listen to the 9,000 more often then not |
| 23:10.41 | CrazierMYKL_ | in 5mans, not as great a loss |
| 23:10.48 | CrazierMYKL_ | 2 keys instead of one |
| 23:10.59 | CrazierMYKL_ | but in raids, |
| 23:11.01 | CrazierMYKL_ | damn |
| 23:11.01 | abug | what's so great about titan / fubar? never did understand the fad |
| 23:11.10 | Shadowed | i didn't either |
| 23:11.15 | Shadowed | s/didn't/don't/ |
| 23:11.26 | Mery | also there are 2 ways to justify epic (as in rare): 1) skill 2) time invested - and people think about most raid instances its only time invested and not about skill |
| 23:11.47 | CrazierMYKL_ | ask a random mage, priest, pally, &c. from any guild in naxx if they want decursive gone |
| 23:12.14 | CrazierMYKL_ | ask your supercasual gamer if they know what it is |
| 23:12.23 | Rallion | the only reason they want it in is because the naxx encounters were designed with decursive in mind. |
| 23:12.24 | Beladona | you guys are STILL on that? |
| 23:12.29 | Rallion | some people are. |
| 23:12.31 | CrazierMYKL_ | exactly |
| 23:12.39 | CrazierMYKL_ | and they're amazing encounters |
| 23:12.56 | Rallion | they could be just as amazing if there was no decursive to design around |
| 23:12.57 | Shadowed | Rallion naxx isn't that heavy on decursive actually |
| 23:13.04 | Beladona | I don't think it will be that hard post-expansion |
| 23:13.07 | Rallion | well, that's true |
| 23:13.37 | Shadowed | Noth, Heigan, Maex have remove-able abilities if i remember right |
| 23:13.39 | Beladona | there are so many factors to consider |
| 23:13.41 | Beladona | new spells |
| 23:13.44 | Beladona | new talents |
| 23:13.46 | Beladona | level 70 |
| 23:13.51 | CrazierMYKL_ | decursive saves button presses, and i don't see that as unbalancing |
| 23:13.52 | Shadowed | mass dispell for one |
| 23:13.59 | Shadowed | thats way to simpilified |
| 23:14.09 | Shadowed | WAY to simpilified |
| 23:14.12 | Beladona | they all factor into the "difficulty" that everyone seems to think will be overwhelming |
| 23:14.49 | Shadowed | people don't seem to realise that we havn't had any decursive heavy fights since BWL chromaggus |
| 23:15.04 | abug | noth is decursive heavy |
| 23:15.04 | CrazierMYKL_ | hit `, vs hit f4 then ctrl-4 |
| 23:15.22 | Shadowed | not as decursive heavy as chromaggus |
| 23:15.27 | Rallion | there are other ways to do it. |
| 23:15.33 | Rallion | click-casting is excellent |
| 23:15.35 | CrazierMYKL_ | blizzard is with the keyboard manufacturers |
| 23:15.44 | Shadowed | SO ANYWAY |
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| 23:15.52 | Shadowed | ace is terrible |
| 23:15.56 | CrazierMYKL_ | they don't let you auto-repeat spells, and now this |
| 23:16.06 | cogwheel | XD |
| 23:16.18 | Rallion | lol |
| 23:16.19 | cogwheel | look what you did, Shadowed |
| 23:16.23 | CrazierMYKL_ | it's the KEYBOAD CABAL! |
| 23:16.24 | Shadowed | excellent |
| 23:16.41 | Rallion | I don't like Ace because it confuses the hell out of me. |
| 23:16.54 | Shadowed | libraries are the devil |
| 23:17.01 | Rallion | I look at an Ace addon to see how it works, and I'm just all, "Wha? Habba?" |
| 23:17.02 | CrazierMYKL_ | lolwut? |
| 23:17.04 | Mery | speaking of keyboards: I want this one http://www.artlebedev.com/everything/optimus/ but it will prolly be way to expensive for me - lol |
| 23:17.12 | Rallion | YES. |
| 23:17.14 | Rallion | I WANT IT. |
| 23:17.19 | CrazierMYKL_ | keboard wear is a big deal on a laptop, though |
| 23:17.29 | Rallion | If the keyboard is crappy. |
| 23:17.40 | CrazierMYKL_ | even if it isn't |
| 23:17.47 | CrazierMYKL_ | it's not replacable easily |
| 23:17.56 | cogwheel | I want blizzard to make a wow plugin for that keyboard |
| 23:18.00 | Rallion | I've never seen a good keyboard that ever died from sheer use |
| 23:18.05 | cogwheel | so it will show actual spell icons on the screen |
| 23:18.09 | CrazierMYKL_ | letters rub off |
| 23:18.12 | cogwheel | s/screen/keys/ |
| 23:18.18 | CrazierMYKL_ | springs lose springyness |
| 23:18.37 | Rallion | I've seen an excellent keyboard die while swimming in a pool of water. On my desk. Last week. |
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| 23:18.41 | Shadowed | CrazierMYKL give it a rest please |
| 23:18.48 | Shadowed | this is silly |
| 23:19.17 | CrazierMYKL_ | if you think i'm totally serious, yhbt. yhl. hand. |
| 23:19.30 | Rallion | Now I have a more expensive keyboard! And a better mouse! But if you get the mouse between the keyboard and the receiver, it gets a little flaky. |
| 23:19.43 | Shadowed | i've gone through like 4 keyboards in the last year |
| 23:19.51 | Shadowed | they stopped making it too, which makes me sad :( |
| 23:19.52 | CrazierMYKL_ | losing decursive is a pain, but my melodrama is strictly for my own amusement |
| 23:19.59 | Rallion | Aww |
| 23:20.24 | Shadowed | it turns out keyboards don't survive soda spills very well |
| 23:20.29 | Shadowed | who'd of thunk! |
| 23:20.38 | cogwheel | Shadowed: only when they're plugged in |
| 23:20.58 | cogwheel | just unplug it asap and rinse it out in the sink |
| 23:20.59 | Qzot | cogwheel: Or still wet when they are eventually plugged in. |
| 23:21.01 | Rallion | Actually, no. Soda is bad all the time. |
| 23:21.15 | Rallion | It doesn't all evaporate away. |
| 23:21.25 | cogwheel | seriously, you can clean a VCR out with a garden hose as long as you make sure it's completely dry when you plug it back in |
| 23:21.53 | CrazierMYKL_ | soda has more lingering stuff than hose water |
| 23:21.55 | cogwheel | I actually have a spare keyboard in case I have to do that |
| 23:21.59 | Shadowed | i don't think the keyboard would have survived being hosed out |
| 23:22.00 | GremWarsong | Ive cleaned a video card before with water |
| 23:22.04 | Shadowed | I had a spare keyboard |
| 23:22.08 | GremWarsong | and it worked afterwards |
| 23:22.09 | Shadowed | until i spilled soda on that too! |
| 23:22.24 | GremWarsong | I put a video card in my dishwasher |
| 23:22.25 | cogwheel | so you rinse it out, get all the soda out, and make sure it dries completely |
| 23:22.26 | GremWarsong | to clean it |
| 23:22.27 | Rallion | yeah...my spare keyboard finally went out, right after I fried my good one. |
| 23:22.36 | cogwheel | most keyboards can have their keys popped out too |
| 23:22.39 | Shadowed | was a logitech duo I believe, the thenextone they make is crap |
| 23:22.40 | Shadowed | :/ |
| 23:22.45 | Rallion | They keyboard itself is fine, the PS/2 plug, not so much. |
| 23:23.01 | Shadowed | the plug was fine onmine, the keys were sticky tough |
| 23:23.14 | Shadowed | (spelling is going to be terrible, on a laptop and i'm terrible at typing on those keyboards) |
| 23:23.48 | Rallion | the important thing, though, is that this keyboard matches my monitor and case color scheme. |
| 23:23.54 | Shadowed | haha |
| 23:24.12 | cogwheel | lol |
| 23:24.21 | Rallion | When I realized that there was a model of the one I chose that fit that description, I was excited. Seriously. |
| 23:24.48 | Shadowed | what keyboard do you use? |
| 23:25.00 | Rallion | Now, a Microsoft Laser Desktop 6000 |
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| 23:25.30 | Rallion | the wireless isn't as good as the old logitech, but the software is far better |
| 23:25.43 | Shadowed | never liked themicrosoft keyboards |
| 23:25.52 | Shadowed | logitech was always good hardware, crap software :/ |
| 23:25.55 | Rallion | yeah |
| 23:26.17 | Rallion | Microsoft actually makes good...uh...well, everything but OSes. |
| 23:26.51 | Shadowed | i don't have to deal with the logitech software thatmuch, and the hardware is worth it |
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| 23:27.13 | Rallion | At first I didn't like that this keyboard's keys feel a good bit like a laptop, but then I thought about how much I hate switching over to laptops, which I do pretty often |
| 23:27.22 | Rallion | and now I can do it much more easily |
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| 23:30.10 | cogwheel | off to MC. later all |
| 23:30.15 | Shadowed | later |
| 23:33.07 | Shadowed | ckknight: for Glory why don't you just use UPDATE_BATTLEFIELD_STATUS and GetBattlefieldWinner()instead of having to search both NPC yells and bg neutral stuff? |
| 23:34.46 | ckknight | I didn't write that section, refer your question to either Elkano or hyperChipmunk |
| 23:34.56 | Shadowed | ahh |
| 23:34.57 | Shadowed | kk |
| 23:35.09 | Mikk | Shadowed . o { Ok, that explains everything. } |
| 23:35.45 | Shadowed | .o? |
| 23:36.05 | Mikk | It's one of those thought bubbles damnit! |
| 23:36.47 | ckknight | Mikk, you ever study Theory of Computation? |
| 23:37.10 | ckknight | jw |
| 23:37.13 | Mikk | Probably not but I can't say for sure since I don't really know what term it translates into around here =) |
| 23:37.13 | ckknight | I am now |
| 23:37.22 | ckknight | um... |
| 23:37.42 | ckknight | well, I'm working on Deterministic Finite State Automata, Context-free Grammars, etc. |
| 23:37.43 | Mikk | Oneliner summary? |
| 23:37.53 | Mikk | Ah |
| 23:38.13 | Mikk | No, I've never studied it. But I've done plenty of work where it applies :-P |
| 23:38.37 | Mikk | (Stateful inspection firewall, couple of language parsers...) |
| 23:38.52 | ckknight | k |
| 23:39.10 | ckknight | it's kinda interesting |
| 23:39.16 | ckknight | pretty complicated, mind you |
| 23:39.24 | ckknight | it's supposed to be a graduate class... |
| 23:40.15 | Mikk | I might try to dig up some books on it. |
| 23:40.19 | GremWarsong | can anyone recommend a 'one-bag' inventory mod? |
| 23:40.24 | Mikk | onebag |
| 23:40.27 | ckknight | OneBag |
| 23:40.41 | GremWarsong | Fine =P |
| 23:40.45 | ckknight | it's nice |
| 23:40.46 | Corrodias | cladhaire, are you present, now? |
| 23:41.05 | GremWarsong | I was using bagnon |
| 23:41.52 | Mikk | I think it'd have been in my curriculum if I'd stayed in Uni but ... beh ... We've hired enough uni graduates that I know that formal training means f* all to programmer skill now :-P |
| 23:42.43 | Industrial | Anyone seen the anime The Twelve Kingdoms? |
| 23:43.26 | cladhaire | Corrodias: define "present"? |
| 23:43.39 | Industrial | I downloaded Noir and Trigun and both deleted it after having seen 3 episodes, and seen one of this series and I wanna see it all heh |
| 23:43.53 | Mikk | cladhaire: hehe |
| 23:43.56 | Industrial | meh time for bed nn |
| 23:44.21 | cladhaire | teh tubes r clogged |
| 23:44.50 | Mikk | OMG CALL AL GORE! HE MUST SAVE US! |
| 23:45.11 | Mikk | He's the guy that built teh intarweb, right? |
| 23:45.15 | Mikk | He said so. |
| 23:45.35 | GremWarsong | how exactly did he phrase it? |
| 23:45.40 | GremWarsong | im curious on that whole thing |
| 23:45.46 | GremWarsong | I missed that |
| 23:46.03 | GremWarsong | enlighten me |
| 23:46.13 | Mikk | I forget. Something along the lines of hinting that the Internet wouldn't have been the commercial success that it was without him or some sh*t. |
| 23:46.35 | GremWarsong | What did he do for the internet? |
| 23:47.13 | Qzot | Al Gore changed the CPU in the internet. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aY_CidIS8YM |
| 23:47.16 | Mikk | In a March 1999 interview with Wolf Blitzer, Gore said, "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet." |
| 23:47.26 | Kirkburn | haha |
| 23:47.33 | GremWarsong | Hmm |
| 23:47.36 | GremWarsong | What does that mean though? |
| 23:47.37 | ckknight | it was regarding funding |
| 23:47.37 | cladhaire | Corrodias: Whats up? |
| 23:47.39 | GremWarsong | What did he to? |
| 23:47.43 | cladhaire | YOu can't ping me then disappear |
| 23:47.45 | GremWarsong | Did he fund the internet? lol |
| 23:47.59 | cladhaire | GremWarsong: GoreTubes imo |
| 23:48.00 | Mikk | According to Vincent Cerf, a senior vice president with MCI Worldcom who's been called the Father of the Internet, "The Internet would not be where it is in the United States without the strong support given to it and related research areas by the Vice President in his current role and in his earlier role as Senator." |
| 23:48.05 | Mikk | Okay, I'll stop laughing. |
| 23:48.10 | Rallion | He was the main proponent of some legislation |
| 23:48.11 | Mikk | If Vint said that, it's true. |
| 23:48.14 | Mikk | (Seriously) |
| 23:48.16 | Corrodias | cladhaire: just wondering if you can answer a question here about perfectraid |
| 23:48.22 | Corrodias | sorry abou tthis delay but i'm very distracted |
| 23:48.23 | cladhaire | Absolutely |
| 23:48.33 | cladhaire | tho i can't guarantee you'll like the answer =) |
| 23:48.37 | GremWarsong | Thats sweet |
| 23:48.40 | GremWarsong | I like the internet |
| 23:48.41 | Mikk | http://www.perkel.com/politics/gore/internet.htm |
| 23:48.42 | GremWarsong | Im glad they made it |
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| 23:48.52 | ckknight | yea, so Gore was important to the internet, sorta. |
| 23:48.55 | Corrodias | i read in the description and in the changelog that praid is supposed to have 3 options that i can't seem to use: backdrop, filter, and simulate. what's up with that? |
| 23:49.20 | cladhaire | those are the old version |
| 23:49.26 | cladhaire | they don't exist ikn the rewrite |
| 23:49.30 | Rallion | "A second development occurred around this time, namely, then-Senator Al Gore, a strong and knowledgeable proponent of the Internet, promoted legislation that resulted in President George Bush signing the High Performance Computing and Communication act of 1991. This Act allocated $600 million for high performance computing and for the creation of the National Research and Education Network [13-14]. The NREN brought together indu |
| 23:49.34 | cladhaire | but the code to add/change them is trivial if you want to hardcode it. |
| 23:49.41 | cladhaire | or veen if you want to write the options |
| 23:49.47 | Corrodias | alright. which version is this, that i may examine it? |
| 23:49.51 | cladhaire | i've been... severely.. .time-lacking |
| 23:49.51 | Mikk | Rofl. "There are more high school students in Texas who can read and speak better than the governor than in any other state!" |
| 23:49.58 | cladhaire | that may have been 0.3.1 roughly, on wowi. |
| 23:50.07 | cladhaire | just let you set backdrops on the frames and the overall frame |
| 23:50.25 | Rallion | not sure that's true, Iread that one year during bush's governorship the high school drop-out rate was like 40% |
| 23:50.34 | Kirkburn | Hmm, me no reachy wowace.com |
| 23:50.39 | Mikk | Rallion: Re-read the sentence =) |
| 23:50.47 | cladhaire | Kirkburn: Loads just fine for meh |
| 23:50.48 | Corrodias | i'll greatly appreciate being able to have the backdrop and filter |
| 23:51.01 | cladhaire | Corrodias: The code is VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY simple to re-add it hardcoded =) |
| 23:51.17 | Corrodias | excellent |
| 23:51.20 | Mikk | "...better than the governor" =) |
| 23:51.21 | Kirkburn | http://www.wowace.com/wiki/Main_Page okay, http://www.wowace.com/ no |
| 23:51.22 | Corrodias | i'm very simple |
| 23:51.31 | Rallion | Mikk, I read it, but what I'm saying is that I don't even have THAT much faith in Texas schools. |
| 23:51.32 | Kirkburn | I think the redirect may be broken? |
| 23:51.36 | Mikk | Rallion: haha |
| 23:51.45 | Mikk | http://www.wowace.com/ is a 404 for me |
| 23:51.50 | ckknight | I don't get it, Mikk |
| 23:52.13 | cladhaire | Corrodias: In PerfectRaid, in PerfectRaid:UpdateLayout(), do self.master:SetBackDrop() and f:SetBackDrop() in the for loop, using the wiki as reference |
| 23:52.21 | cladhaire | or you can steal the code from the old versino, to do the same thing, kinda. |
| 23:52.33 | cladhaire | Mikk: Thats a redirection error |
| 23:52.35 | cladhaire | i'll fixem |
| 23:52.43 | Mikk | err 404 is a page not found, clad :-P |
| 23:52.56 | cladhaire | yeah, but its a rewrite issue |
| 23:52.57 | cladhaire | trust me =) |
| 23:53.00 | cladhaire | http lies. |
| 23:53.21 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 23:53.22 | Mikk | No, I believe that HTTP is telling the truth about your mod.rewrite skillz ;-) |
| 23:53.38 | cladhaire | neg, url.rewrite =( |
| 23:54.05 | Shadowed | Is that like the cheap mod.rewrite knockoff that costs 50% less, but is 100% harder to use |
| 23:54.13 | cladhaire | actually easier :P |
| 23:54.26 | Rallion | MovableType's dynamic page generation works by replacing the default 404 page with one that looks at the URL and generates the page that it indicates |
| 23:54.37 | Corrodias | thanks a bunch, cladhaire. i'd try to do it now, being able to ask you if i run into a block, but i am starting ZG right now |
| 23:54.49 | Rallion | so sometimes HTTP does lie. |
| 23:54.49 | Corrodias | from what you've said, i should be able to manage |
| 23:55.40 | cladhaire | Mikk: Should be behaving better now :P |
| 23:55.55 | Mikk | Yup. Worky. |
| 23:56.53 | Kirkburn | Cooldown Count has just gone Ace? |
| 23:56.56 | cladhaire | tekkub wanted some wonky rewrites. |
| 23:57.23 | ckknight | going Ace? |
| 23:57.28 | Shadowed | Ace is the cool thing to go1 |
| 23:57.29 | ckknight | that's like going gay, right? |
| 23:57.32 | Shadowed | lol |
| 23:57.39 | Kirkburn | \o/ |
| 23:57.40 | ckknight | lol |
| 23:57.42 | ckknight | I kid. |
| 23:57.43 | Shadowed | first it was all warriors going DW Fury, now it's moving your mods to ACe |
| 23:57.44 | cladhaire | MetroAceual? |
| 23:57.53 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 23:59.34 | Kirkburn | Soo, Cosmos and Ace are now going to fight over it when I update, aren't they :/ |
| 23:59.53 | Kirkburn | "No, I want it!" "No, me, me!" |
