| 00:01.33 | abug | I can't remember, does a frame need to be visible to receive events? |
| 00:01.46 | abug | I know for OnUpdates it does |
| 00:02.13 | abug | but for events it doesn't right? |
| 00:08.17 | JoshBorke | abug: it can be hidden to receive events |
| 00:09.47 | Kirkburn | Check out the WoWWiki's main page :D |
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| 00:18.35 | abug | but I'm soo lazy |
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| 00:27.45 | Tem_ | Kirkburn, is that logo new? |
| 00:27.55 | Kirkburn | Made by Mikk |
| 00:28.06 | Tem | very nice |
| 00:28.20 | Tem | now get someone to make a logo for where the orc's head is |
| 00:28.24 | Kirkburn | He spent aaages on it |
| 00:28.37 | Kirkburn | Tem: http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Proposed_icon |
| 00:28.38 | Tem | hehe |
| 00:29.49 | Tem | Kirkburn, my vote is on 4,5 or 7 |
| 00:30.29 | Kirkburn | Ooh, I hadn't seen number 11 ... I like that one :P |
| 00:31.09 | Tem | actually, I think like #4 the best |
| 00:31.22 | Tem | but it dosn't fit the site as well as 5 or 7 |
| 00:31.36 | Tem | s/dos/does/ |
| 00:31.54 | Kirkburn | Well, hopefully we'll get it to a vote soon :) |
| 00:32.22 | Tem | that was my next question, how/where do I vote? |
| 00:32.52 | Kirkburn | It's not been started yet |
| 00:33.16 | Rallion | I definitely like 7 |
| 00:33.36 | Tem | I think I'm gonna put my vote on 5 |
| 00:33.53 | Kirkburn | brb |
| 00:39.05 | JoshBorke | blah, where's mikk when you need him... |
| 00:44.02 | Cairenn | elsewhere? |
| 00:48.19 | Kirkburn | Asleep, most likely |
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| 01:05.09 | Wobin | okies |
| 01:05.13 | JoshBorke | tata for now |
| 01:05.32 | Cairenn | later JoshBorke |
| 01:05.45 | Wobin | If I SetAllPoints a frame to another frame, then move the 'other' frame, the first frame won't move, unless I reparent them together, yes? |
| 01:06.41 | eternally777 | Were they parented originally? |
| 01:06.48 | Wobin | no |
| 01:07.25 | Wobin | I'm using the first as a 'reference' frame to snap back to if the second frame (upon moving) doesn't meet certain criteron |
| 01:07.53 | eternally777 | I have no idea. Please let me know what happens though :) |
| 01:07.56 | Wobin | hehe |
| 01:07.58 | Wobin | wil do =) |
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| 02:10.40 | Cairenn | evening Iriel |
| 02:14.16 | Kirov | Iriel - that most recent version has a couple of minor bugs. Don't merge it in to your version yet. |
| 02:14.47 | Iriel | Ok, I have a whole bunch of chores to do this evening so you've got some time before I'll be able to anyway |
| 02:15.21 | Kirov | excellent |
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| 02:24.36 | Tem | hey Iriel, whatever happened to vdump? |
| 02:24.50 | Tem | the no-time monster eat it? |
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| 03:03.03 | Kirov | Is there any way to future proof code right now for the # operator? |
| 03:05.05 | clad|sleep | use table.maxn |
| 03:05.10 | clad|sleep | rather, write a table.max |
| 03:07.13 | Kirov | hmm |
| 03:08.44 | Kirov | also, why would gsub get mad at string.char(3) |
| 03:10.48 | Kirov | actually, table.max isn't useful for me because it's for string.len |
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| 03:18.59 | MentalPower | Anyone know of a good SVN client for Mac? |
| 03:19.14 | Tem | why bother? |
| 03:19.41 | Tem | why would a peice of fruit need to work on a shared project? |
| 03:19.42 | MentalPower | because I need one to recomend to one of our new devs/ |
| 03:20.08 | Tem | I think there was one called like XSVN or something |
| 03:20.12 | Tem | one sec I'll look it up |
| 03:20.20 | MentalPower | thanks Tem |
| 03:20.22 | Tem | (damned fruid) |
| 03:20.25 | Tem | fruit* |
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| 03:40.13 | Tem | MentalPower, there are two listed heree |
| 03:40.18 | Tem | SmartSVN and RapidSVN |
| 03:40.25 | Tem | http://www.smartsvn.com/ |
| 03:40.30 | Tem | http://rapidsvn.tigris.org/ |
| 03:40.49 | MentalPower_ | thanks Tem |
| 03:40.54 | Tem | no |
| 03:40.55 | Tem | p |
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| 03:49.06 | Kirov | ok, so who wants the lzw lib? |
| 03:50.04 | Wobin | Kirov: Me! |
| 03:50.32 | AnduinLothar | is it on wowi? |
| 03:50.40 | Wobin | Aye, pop it up on wowi |
| 03:50.41 | Kirov | not yet |
| 03:50.47 | AnduinLothar | put it on wowi so i know where to find it when i have time to look at it |
| 03:51.05 | AnduinLothar | ok, I need a word for 'all here' |
| 03:51.17 | Tem | omnipresent? |
| 03:51.20 | Wobin | y'all |
| 03:51.37 | AnduinLothar | no, more like all the pieces are present and accounted for |
| 03:51.43 | abug | intact |
| 03:51.48 | Wobin | all y'all |
| 03:51.53 | Cairenn | lol Wobin |
| 03:51.58 | Tem | Wobin, we don't say all yall |
| 03:51.58 | AnduinLothar | intact is close.. |
| 03:52.08 | Wobin | Complete? |
| 03:52.08 | Tem | Karl, are you doing a crossword? |
| 03:52.24 | AnduinLothar | no, i need a variable name. and i'm very picky about my variables |
| 03:52.38 | Wobin | meh, there's a word I'm looking for |
| 03:52.39 | Tem | lol |
| 03:52.42 | Wobin | tip of my tongue |
| 03:52.47 | AnduinLothar | complete is better |
| 03:52.48 | abug | your variables have you well trained |
| 03:52.49 | Wobin | kinda like intact |
| 03:53.28 | THUNDER_CHILD | assembeled? (cant spell) |
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| 03:53.59 | Cairenn | AnduinLothar: http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/intact |
| 03:54.19 | AnduinLothar | thanks cair. i know how to use a thesorus |
| 03:54.21 | abug | pfft women, always asking for directions |
| 03:54.45 | AnduinLothar | whole! |
| 03:55.02 | Wobin | hehe virginal |
| 03:55.36 | AnduinLothar | ok, now i need a good antinym meaning 'availible to be here, but aren't here yet' |
| 03:55.57 | abug | MIA? |
| 03:55.59 | Wobin | so, the opposite? |
| 03:56.13 | Wobin | incomplete =P |
| 03:56.39 | AnduinLothar | nah, incomplete doesn't convey that it could be complete giving some small change |
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| 03:57.05 | abug | imperfect |
| 03:57.32 | AnduinLothar | mmm i dont think the word exists.. i need to make one up |
| 03:57.35 | Tem | I think I'm about to call my ISP and complain |
| 03:57.41 | Tem | this crap has been going all day |
| 03:57.57 | Tem | can't even kill a boss in BWL before I get kicked |
| 03:58.21 | abug | ~cheese Tem |
| 03:58.25 | AnduinLothar | ok how about 'complete somewhere else'? |
| 03:58.29 | abug | ~bonk Tem |
| 03:58.30 | purl | ACTION bonks Tem over the head |
| 03:58.54 | Tem | AnduinLothar, what *are* you working on? |
| 03:59.16 | AnduinLothar | my vocabulary |
| 03:59.26 | Tem | *eyeroll* |
| 03:59.27 | abug | I think he's calculating pi |
| 03:59.28 | AnduinLothar | but actually it's a bank management addon |
| 03:59.33 | Tem | k |
| 03:59.41 | abug | close |
| 04:00.02 | AnduinLothar | so i have sets that cna either be complete in the bank or complete in the bags or partial both places or complete both places or not complete anywhere.. |
| 04:00.34 | AnduinLothar | and i have two variables for each side, meanign 4 variables to express all those states |
| 04:00.49 | Wobin | complete/incomplete |
| 04:00.50 | AnduinLothar | and they have two names |
| 04:01.14 | Wobin | incomplete implies that there is a possible way to complete it |
| 04:01.19 | AnduinLothar | but one variable signifies complete/incomplete and the other signifies whether it's complete in the other place |
| 04:01.27 | Wobin | Split |
| 04:01.34 | Wobin | Condensed |
| 04:02.02 | Wobin | Unavailable |
| 04:02.05 | AnduinLothar | complete works for one.. maybe 'available' for tha other? |
| 04:02.39 | AnduinLothar | yeah that should work, thx |
| 04:02.52 | AnduinLothar | hard expressing abstract containment in english |
| 04:03.05 | abug | learn2klingon |
| 04:03.14 | AnduinLothar | worse |
| 04:03.26 | AnduinLothar | everything in klignon involves war or battle or pain |
| 04:03.49 | abug | something wrong with that? |
| 04:03.57 | AnduinLothar | not abstract enough |
| 04:04.02 | Kirov | ping Cairenn |
| 04:04.10 | Cairenn | pong Kirov |
| 04:04.23 | Kirov | lzw lib submitted |
| 04:04.38 | abug | library addon? |
| 04:04.44 | Cairenn | Kirov: your point? |
| 04:05.11 | Kirov | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5394-lzwLib-1.0.html |
| 04:05.35 | Wobin | woot |
| 04:05.36 | Wobin | ta |
| 04:05.36 | Cairenn | Kirov: ;) |
| 04:05.42 | abug | oo sexy |
| 04:05.56 | abug | does that use bitlib? |
| 04:06.00 | Kirov | yeah |
| 04:06.33 | Kirov | written originally by a friend, converted over to lua by myself |
| 04:06.39 | Tem | ls works on macs, yes? |
| 04:06.48 | abug | is it embeddable or standalone? |
| 04:06.58 | Kirov | both |
| 04:07.14 | abug | good stuff |
| 04:07.26 | AnduinLothar | thx kirov |
| 04:07.28 | Kirov | in a craptastic embeddable method |
| 04:07.45 | AnduinLothar | get it to be chat safe and i'll love you more |
| 04:07.47 | AnduinLothar | ;) |
| 04:07.49 | Kirov | if lzw or lzw.version < version then overwrite! |
| 04:07.54 | Kirov | AnduinLothar - it is |
| 04:07.56 | Wobin | tis apparatnly =) |
| 04:07.58 | AnduinLothar | yay |
| 04:08.03 | Kirov | That's what took the extra day |
| 04:08.04 | Kirov | heh |
| 04:08.15 | Kirov | lzw:compress(string, 1) |
| 04:08.16 | AnduinLothar | ok, i'll look at it for use in PQ if mira doesn't want the job |
| 04:08.55 | Kirov | Works best on really really long strings. |
| 04:10.20 | Kirov | But it is fairly fast. |
| 04:11.12 | Wobin | hm |
| 04:11.19 | Kirov | hmm? |
| 04:11.27 | Wobin | so, say I have a chat addon that stores conversations in a table format |
| 04:11.44 | Wobin | how best to use your library? Serialise them into a string then compress? |
| 04:11.49 | Kirov | Yes |
| 04:12.08 | Wobin | hm |
| 04:12.14 | Kirov | The longer the string, the better the compression is likely to be. |
| 04:12.36 | Wobin | I wonder if I can do cascading compressing |
| 04:12.45 | Wobin | so it only decompresses when it hits that string... |
| 04:13.05 | Kirov | hmm? |
| 04:14.14 | Wobin | at the moment, wth my addon, I pass a time period to the object which then returns conversations within that time period |
| 04:14.33 | Wobin | I'm wondering if I can do this so that it only decompresses on demand, as such |
| 04:15.03 | Wobin | rather than doing the whole table and then pulling it out |
| 04:15.23 | Kirov | Oh, so keep the string compressed until you want to see it |
| 04:15.39 | Wobin | yeah basically =) |
| 04:16.31 | Kirov | I'd keep a header on the string denoting the compressed / uncompressed state |
| 04:17.31 | Kirov | just like have the first character be 0 for normal strings and strip it out when you display, otherwise 1. |
| 04:17.48 | Kirov | if string.find(string,"^1") then decompress |
| 04:23.05 | abug | think it would be worth it to compress less commonly used functions in addons? |
| 04:23.55 | abug | like put compressed strings directly into your addon in place of the functions and have the functions be stubs to call the decompression of the function's actual contents |
| 04:25.05 | abug | maybe just for the first time the function is called |
| 04:25.17 | abug | could cut down on load times maybe |
| 04:27.46 | abug | sort of like a winzip archive of all your functions |
| 04:32.01 | abug | on the negative side though it would mean your code would be obfuscated to hell |
| 04:33.18 | Wobin | well |
| 04:33.22 | Wobin | not really |
| 04:33.32 | Wobin | the compression would be ingame... wouldn't it? |
| 04:34.22 | abug | hmm |
| 04:34.46 | abug | might have to run it through a non-wow lua parser then |
| 04:34.57 | Tem | aye |
| 04:34.59 | abug | otherwise you probably wouldn't be able to use the output |
| 04:35.07 | abug | to copy it to your addon file |
| 04:38.56 | Kirov | you can run code from a string and inject it in to the world. |
| 04:39.38 | abug | yeah I'm saying take the compressed strings from your function bodies and put those in place of the actual functions |
| 04:40.13 | Kirov | honestly, wouldn't do much. |
| 04:40.18 | abug | probably not |
| 04:40.23 | Kirov | probably make it slower. |
| 04:41.24 | abug | would make it harder for people to read your code though |
| 04:41.40 | abug | although it would be quite easy for them to decompress it |
| 04:42.17 | Kirov | not if you include your own compression table |
| 04:42.21 | Kirov | and compress that |
| 04:43.25 | abug | I wonder if slouken would remove bitlib |
| 04:44.09 | abug | if people kept obfuscating their addons like that |
| 04:44.17 | Kirov | doubtful |
| 04:44.35 | Kirov | It's not dangerous, not really anyways. |
| 04:44.49 | JoshBorke | mikk in here? |
| 04:44.56 | abug | think you could make a sexy proof of concept for that? |
| 04:45.00 | JoshBorke | blah |
| 04:45.16 | Kirov | abug - heh, no |
| 04:45.21 | Cairenn | night guys |
| 04:45.25 | Kirov | night Cairenn |
| 04:45.32 | JoshBorke | night Cairenn |
| 04:45.35 | JoshBorke | sweet dreams |
| 04:45.36 | Tem | night Cair |
| 04:45.39 | Cairenn|sleep | :) |
| 04:49.01 | abug | are you luke or ben, kirov? |
| 04:49.14 | Kirov | abug - Ben |
| 04:49.20 | abug | nice to meet you Ben |
| 04:49.36 | Kirov | Luke is my friend, aka Vorik. |
| 04:49.50 | Kirov | note the similarities in names |
| 04:49.55 | abug | heh |
| 04:50.07 | Kirov | His is a random generated name, mine is me being lazy |
| 04:50.21 | Kirov | Humorously, mine actually means something |
| 04:52.03 | abug | ah you got lucky then |
| 04:52.17 | Kirov | Not really |
| 04:52.20 | Kirov | It's a russian ballet |
| 04:54.02 | abug | and a russian city heh |
| 04:55.15 | krka | sounds more like a vodka brand |
| 04:58.34 | Kirov | Iriel - around? |
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| 05:06.17 | End | does anyone know the name of the little map that appears in battlegrounds? |
| 05:06.37 | Crispix | o.o |
| 05:06.42 | Crispix | Anyone any good at math? |
| 05:07.33 | Kirov | Ooo ooo! I'm not! |
| 05:08.55 | Crispix | oh my.. God |
| 05:09.03 | Crispix | I played WoW for 17 hours and 20 minutes today |
| 05:09.31 | Kirov | *blink* |
| 05:09.37 | AnduinLothar | BattlefieldMinimap |
| 05:09.53 | AnduinLothar | Blizzard_BattlefieldMinimap addon |
| 05:10.05 | AnduinLothar | ToggleBattlefieldMinimap() |
| 05:10.06 | abug | +1 AnduinLothar |
| 05:16.04 | AnduinLothar | whooo enless loop |
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| 05:41.31 | Iriel | Kirov - I am now |
| 05:43.03 | Kirov | Iriel - the options menu is more functional now, but are we moving to a single state or 2 state options? |
| 05:44.27 | Iriel | Kirov: I think I prefer maintaining states as on/off - possibly with some logic to allow the collection state to be toggled at least in one direction (on) from the display options |
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| 05:56.12 | MentalPower | night all |
| 05:56.18 | Kirov | night |
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| 06:26.47 | Corrodias | god, i love living on a low pop realm |
| 06:26.57 | Aenslaed | whys that? |
| 06:27.19 | deci | probably less comp for quest mobs! |
| 06:27.21 | Corrodias | i don't have to wait 30 minutes to log in every time i change addon files or something |
| 06:27.31 | deci | oh and that :P |
| 06:28.02 | Aenslaed | eh? I'm on a high pop realm and I dont have queues |
| 06:28.56 | Corrodias | when they get high enough, people have queues to login |
| 06:29.12 | Corrodias | actually, e't goes between low and high throughout the day, but at least it never hits "full" |
| 06:33.40 | Aenslaed | e't? |
| 06:41.21 | Iriel | Night all |
| 06:42.53 | AnduinLothar | ya for global variables caused by typos |
| 06:42.55 | AnduinLothar | yay* |
| 06:43.08 | Tem | yay for grep + luac -l |
| 06:43.27 | Tem | or luac -l | grep, I should say |
| 06:45.50 | AnduinLothar | oi typos owning me tonight |
| 06:46.23 | AnduinLothar | the code is ugly enough as it is without adding typo bugs that make it MORE difficult to debug |
| 06:50.52 | AnduinLothar | yay item and stack swappign algorithm complete |
| 06:50.58 | AnduinLothar | now to make it more use friendly |
| 06:52.17 | Kirov | AnduinLothar - what're you working on? |
| 06:52.58 | AnduinLothar | BankManager |
| 06:53.55 | AnduinLothar | finally got the stack swapping algorithm down. took me 3 days to write it |
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| 06:54.28 | AnduinLothar | and it still has some quirks, but is good enough for a first pass |
| 06:54.52 | AnduinLothar | and doesn't need a timer or delay for stack compression |
| 06:55.06 | AnduinLothar | to i might add that later |
| 06:55.08 | AnduinLothar | tho* |
| 06:55.42 | AnduinLothar | I need to pollish up the 'Edit Mode' and add set creation/deletion. already have modification down |
| 06:56.07 | AnduinLothar | and maybe a chekcbox for each set to move items into the back of the bags instead of the front |
| 06:57.22 | AnduinLothar | the first problem is I have the border/bg for the second collumn actually in the background texture.. so i'll have to make an overlay backdrops |
| 06:58.25 | zenzelezz | I'm astounded by the spam I get on Gmail... not so much the amount, but that it's only ever the same two mails, with some tiny variations in spelling |
| 07:04.49 | AnduinLothar | designed to cicumvent filters no doubt |
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| 08:00.24 | |FF|Im2good4u | wow updates sux becase i got to take an other 2 hour to read the new licenses :( |
| 08:01.19 | Mery | you could just check the date and see that its still the same license as last time |
| 08:03.53 | Kirkburn | What licenses? I see only two screens of gobbledegook ... |
| 08:15.35 | Corrodias | having trouble figuring out how to capture a tower in EPL, here. :( |
| 08:16.02 | Corrodias | |FF|Im2good4u: note the "last modified" date listed at the top of the documents. if they haven't been updated for this patch, you don't need to reread them. |
| 08:30.28 | |FF|Im2good4u | omg guys dont take it so serruis no1 ever reads those licences anyway :P |
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| 11:06.06 | amro | hi |
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| 11:19.20 | JoshBork1 | morning |
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| 12:55.17 | Corrodias | i'd never even heard of the earthen ring or of the brotherhood of the light until i reached light's hope chapel. |
| 12:57.25 | zenzelezz | neither had I |
| 13:09.11 | zenzelezz | sometimes I wonder what it's like to be a roleplayer |
| 13:09.28 | zenzelezz | "so that rough on your back makes you more likely to dodge attacks?" "uh... yeah..." |
| 13:19.14 | Corrodias | mm. woodchuck draft cider. i like. |
| 13:34.07 | Corrodias | well, i finally bought my epic riding skill on my main |
| 13:35.15 | Corrodias | i made sure i had some gold left over, ending up with about 47g remaining |
| 13:35.26 | Corrodias | well, time to sleep. 'ni |
| 13:43.58 | Wobin | hm |
| 13:44.13 | Wobin | Anyone know anything about Lzw compression? |
| 13:44.21 | Wobin | (ie, Kirov's lib) |
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| 13:53.33 | malreth | hello, malreth |
| 13:54.14 | nevcairiel | hello |
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| 13:56.30 | TS|Skrom | Morning all |
| 13:57.39 | malreth | why hello there, Wobin. |
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| 14:18.17 | JoshBorke | hrmph, still no mikk... |
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| 14:25.43 | koomi | aloha |
| 14:25.48 | JoshBorke | hola |
| 14:26.23 | koomi | i'm looking for a tracker/logger mod that keeps track of player/npc/mob position and tracks damage, spells, etc |
| 14:26.29 | koomi | is something similar around? |
| 14:26.37 | koomi | i knwo damage meter but i want to export the data |
| 14:27.27 | JoshBorke | koomi: you can use something like metamap+ctmod to keep track of npc/herb position |
| 14:27.46 | JoshBorke | koomi: to my knowledge, there is no mod that keeps track of both damage meter type information and position |
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| 14:28.27 | koomi | i tried to get down and dirty with lua once but found it rather scary :) |
| 14:28.51 | koomi | wowwiki.com is the place to start? |
| 14:29.21 | zenzelezz | not to learn lua |
| 14:29.32 | MoonWolf | koomi |
| 14:29.33 | MoonWolf | http://www.lua.org/pil/ |
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| 14:32.32 | koomi | MoonWolf: thanks |
| 14:33.10 | koomi | i thought i saw a ide/emulator for the wow events/api stuff |
| 14:33.20 | koomi | anyone know where i find it? |
| 14:33.27 | koomi | (sorry for bugging you guys) |
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| 14:34.20 | Cairenn | WoWBench perhaps? http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5095-WoWBench.html |
| 14:34.35 | Cairenn | or else WoW UI Designer: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/cat49.html |
| 14:35.05 | Cairenn | and not a problem, that's what the channel is about - authors helping authors (or wanna bes ;) ) |
| 14:35.41 | koomi | hrhr |
| 14:35.58 | koomi | i'm not sure if i want to be a wannebe dev :) |
| 14:36.07 | Cairenn | *grin* |
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| 14:46.46 | MoonWolf | kooni, everybody starts from scratch |
| 14:46.55 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 14:46.59 | JoshBorke | that's not true! my mod was given to me! |
| 14:47.11 | Cairenn | JoshBorke: hush, you aren't helping |
| 14:47.18 | MoonWolf | but did you wake up knowing lua instantly some day ? |
| 14:47.29 | JoshBorke | i was BORN with the knowledge :-D |
| 14:48.08 | JoshBorke | purl, hug Cairenn |
| 14:48.09 | purl | ACTION hugs Cairenn |
| 14:49.10 | JoshBorke | purl kiss Cairenn |
| 14:49.11 | purl | ACTION forces Cairenn to give Hatsuki a big kiss on the neck |
| 14:49.24 | Cairenn | o.O |
| 14:49.34 | JoshBorke | who's this hatsuki guy Cairenn, eh? EH?! |
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| 14:50.39 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:50.49 | Cairenn | you're the one playing with the bot, don't look at me :p |
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| 15:01.52 | koomi | i can i reload my mod in wowbench? |
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| 15:40.45 | End | ooh |
| 15:40.47 | End | oog |
| 15:41.03 | Cairenn | morning End |
| 15:41.11 | End | morning |
| 15:41.23 | Cairenn | how was your weekend? |
| 15:41.28 | End | it was good |
| 15:41.58 | End | I really need to go to bed earlier though, this waking up thing is a bit too painful |
| 15:42.18 | Cairenn | heh, I hear ya on that one |
| 15:47.26 | zenzelezz | going to bed isn't enough, I need to start going to sleep |
| 15:47.46 | zenzelezz | instead of watching TV |
| 15:55.56 | Kirkburn | Whee, my G15 has arrived |
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| 16:06.03 | koomi | which channels does LoggingChat log? just the "main" chat window? |
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| 16:32.44 | JoshBorke | Nightdew: good-morning |
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| 16:46.34 | Vanesco | hi guys.. is it possible to stop all spell casts on the target selected if the target has pvp enabled? |
| 16:46.56 | Vanesco | i'm a priest.. and i dont want to heal/buff guys with pvp enabled |
| 16:53.35 | Mery | Stopping a spell needs a hardware event (keypress) like casting now. I'm not sure about preventing a spell from beeing cast at all (that should be possible). However this is a wonderful suggestion to be placed in the suggestions forum. |
| 16:54.13 | Vanesco | Mery: thanks, i'll go there |
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| 17:10.18 | malreth | woot! gonzo digimation is gonna do a version of romeo and juliet |
| 17:11.29 | malreth | http://d.hatena.ne.jp/moonphase/20060930#p2 |
| 17:13.18 | malreth | oh crap! i just realized I don't know how to read japanese! |
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| 17:32.47 | Industrial | How do I access the GNS as a table again? |
| 17:32.49 | Industrial | getblahenv? |
| 17:33.11 | malreth | global name space? |
| 17:33.19 | Industrial | yes |
| 17:33.22 | malreth | local _G = getfenv(0) |
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| 17:33.25 | Industrial | thanks |
| 17:33.39 | malreth | _G["whatever"..i] etc |
| 17:33.47 | Industrial | yeah |
| 17:33.48 | malreth | or _G.Whatever |
| 17:33.57 | Industrial | I know how tables work :p |
| 17:34.02 | malreth | but never sodomize(_G) |
| 17:34.07 | Industrial | *badoom tisch* |
| 17:34.27 | malreth | thank you thank you. i be here all week. try the veal! |
| 17:35.06 | Industrial | %s/getglobal(\(.\+\))/_G[\1]/g |
| 17:35.07 | Industrial | :P |
| 17:35.14 | Industrial | (thats vim regex) |
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| 17:57.12 | krka | i just made an addon for automatically changing actionbar page, based on custom conditions... anyone want to make a gui for it? :) |
| 17:57.16 | krka | since i really really suck at ti |
| 17:57.23 | krka | shouldn't be too much work |
| 17:57.46 | lacindas | howdy folks :) |
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| 18:14.18 | TS|Skrom | oh man, I just heard the worst news ever |
| 18:14.50 | TS|Skrom | They are bringing back 7th heaven for another season >< |
| 18:16.48 | krka | OMG NO |
| 18:16.55 | krka | AND YOU ARE FORCED TO WATCH IT??? |
| 18:17.18 | TS|Skrom | *rolleyes* |
| 18:24.39 | Industrial | krka: PM! |
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| 18:34.21 | koomi | i'm stuck here (3hrs newbie): i try to use MarsMessageParser. Added MarsMessageParser to my xml (<script ..>) and register my function in OnLoad .. but i always gezt MarsMessageParser_RegisterFunction (nil value) |
| 18:34.29 | koomi | i don't understand why it's not loaded# |
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| 18:38.21 | Iriel | koomi: Check Logs\FrameXML.log |
| 18:38.35 | Iriel | koomi: And be sure youve exited and restarted wow since you put your files in place |
| 18:38.44 | malreth | how to disarm an atomic bomb: http://wired.com/wired/archive/14.10/start.html?pg=12 |
| 18:38.54 | malreth | my favorite is step 5 |
| 18:38.59 | koomi | Iriel: i'm using wowbench |
| 18:40.31 | koomi | oh. i think some files were not properly parsed and stuck around in cache |
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| 18:54.01 | Kirov | *mrph* www.wowinterface.com isn't responding |
| 18:54.33 | Dolby-wowi | aye its down atm. working to get to back up |
| 18:54.43 | Kirov | Dolby-wowi - work faster! |
| 18:54.50 | Kirov | ;) |
| 18:54.53 | Dolby-wowi | hehe |
| 18:56.05 | Industrial | krka: ! |
| 18:58.00 | Industrial | oh fs ill ask here |
| 18:58.02 | Industrial | 20:22 <Industrial> http://pastey.net/1259 |
| 18:58.02 | Industrial | 20:22 <Industrial> I wann change bar pages |
| 18:58.02 | Industrial | 20:23 <Industrial> but it wont change back |
| 18:58.02 | Industrial | 20:23 <Industrial> also, would that work for druid? |
| 18:58.04 | Industrial | 20:23 <Industrial> (havent got a druid to test) |
| 18:58.22 | Industrial | err, I mean - I wanna change to the stealth bar* |
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| 19:00.25 | nevcairiel | why dont you use the default bars from blizzard? that would simplify the button handling and switching |
| 19:00.32 | Industrial | i am |
| 19:00.35 | Industrial | well, the buttons |
| 19:00.56 | Industrial | but I wanna place them wherever i want, etc |
| 19:00.56 | nevcairiel | well, dont use the bonus action buttons |
| 19:01.01 | nevcairiel | just change page on the actionbuttons |
| 19:01.08 | Industrial | how do you mean |
| 19:01.19 | Industrial | s/how/what/ |
| 19:01.48 | nevcairiel | register for UPDATE_BONUS_ACTIONBAR event |
| 19:02.14 | nevcairiel | on that event the BonusActionBarFrame is shown and will get all button presses. |
| 19:02.26 | Industrial | yeah but what if it hides |
| 19:02.34 | nevcairiel | so you hide that frame again, and the buttons go to the default actionbar again |
| 19:02.39 | nevcairiel | now simply change page of the default bar |
| 19:03.12 | Industrial | UPDATE_BONUS_ACTIONBAR happens when it shows right? but what when it hides? |
| 19:03.29 | nevcairiel | http://ace.pastey.net/1263 |
| 19:03.34 | nevcairiel | i hate it when it eats my indents |
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| 19:05.08 | Industrial | ok that paste isnt making sense |
| 19:05.09 | Industrial | lol |
| 19:05.12 | Tem | is WoWI down? |
| 19:05.15 | nevcairiel | its not ? :D |
| 19:05.17 | krka | not sure why you asked me in the first place |
| 19:05.23 | Tem | I just accidently deleted everything in my addons directory... |
| 19:05.28 | Tem | I need WoWI up |
| 19:05.41 | Industrial | krka: cause you just said you made an addon that did actionbar page flipping |
| 19:05.41 | Tem | I have... a bit that I need to redownload... |
| 19:05.46 | krka | http://kristofer.no-ip.info:8080/~krka/tmp/Autopager.zip |
| 19:05.48 | krka | there's my addon btw |
| 19:05.51 | krka | if anyone wants to test it |
| 19:05.58 | krka | and/or make a gui :) |
| 19:06.16 | krka | only 300 lines of code, with lots of it being settings and stuff, so should be easy to digest |
| 19:06.20 | Tem | No, seriously, is WoWI down? |
| 19:06.27 | Industrial | yes |
| 19:06.32 | Tem | do we know why? |
| 19:06.38 | Industrial | bug Dolby-wowi |
| 19:07.14 | Beladona | or don't since he is currently working on it |
| 19:11.07 | Industrial | UPDATE_BONUS_ACTIONBAR doesnt tell me what form im in, stealthed or not etc - so i dont know if i have to hide or show the BonusActionBar buttons. |
| 19:11.39 | Industrial | at least, arg1-9 are nil :| |
| 19:12.26 | Industrial | oh, nm |
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| 19:16.19 | Leprkn | Heyo |
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| 19:21.41 | koomi | if i fire an event in wowbench like "fire UNIT_COMBAT player WOUND CRITICAL 20 0" the generated message to parse with MarsMessageParser depends on who hit what? |
| 19:23.06 | Industrial | got it working :-) |
| 19:25.49 | Iriel | Many of the 'update' events are simply notification that you need to go find out what happened |
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| 19:33.53 | Leprkn | question: anyone have a "quick and dirty" answer to how you read and write data into the savedvariables folder? |
| 19:34.45 | Dolby-wowi | wowi is back up, sorry for the trouble all |
| 19:40.26 | tyroney|work | Leprkn: read when wow isn't running, write when the ui is unloaded and data is flushed out to the disk. |
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| 19:41.05 | tyroney|work | i.e. reload ui is the only time the files will be touched. |
| 19:42.04 | Tem | hey, Iriel, what ever happened to vdump? |
| 19:42.14 | Tem | did the free-time monster eat it? |
| 19:42.27 | Leprkn | Thanks tyroney, where |
| 19:42.30 | Leprkn | oops |
| 19:43.19 | Leprkn | where's a good online resource to goto for examples on how a mod reads the info from these vars then updating when you exit the game? |
| 19:44.43 | tyroney|work | http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Save_Variables_Between_Game_Sessions |
| 19:44.52 | Beladona | it works the same way as a reguar variable, the difference is that you specify that variable as a savedvar in yout toc |
| 19:44.54 | Leprkn | tyvm |
| 19:45.07 | Shrike| | hiyas |
| 19:45.49 | Shrike| | has anyone used EarthTable much? having problems getting it to work and the error from WoW is thoroughly useless |
| 19:47.56 | tyroney|work | Haven't used it. What's the error? |
| 19:49.08 | Shrike| | 'attempt to call a nil value' :) |
| 19:49.17 | Shrike| | no line, no file etc |
| 19:49.33 | MentalPower | tried IEF with the "STACK ON" command> |
| 19:49.35 | MentalPower | ? |
| 19:49.56 | Shrike| | no, not sure what you mean |
| 19:50.14 | MentalPower | Do you have ImprovedErrorFrame? |
| 19:50.33 | MentalPower | if not, install it, if so do "/ief STACK ON" |
| 19:50.35 | Shrike| | i don't think so :) |
| 19:50.39 | Shrike| | i'll try |
| 19:50.39 | MentalPower | and look at the stack dump |
| 19:50.40 | Cide | Shrike|: that's usually when next() errors (that is, for k, v in <table> do or for k, v in pairs(<table>) do) |
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| 19:52.33 | Shrike| | yes i think the EarthTable can't find my table, i'll see what improvederrorframe says |
| 19:52.57 | warla | howdy |
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| 19:55.41 | |FF|Im2good4u | Dolby-wowi: Hallo! |
| 19:55.58 | Dolby-wowi | hi yas |
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| 20:12.49 | Kirov | *shakes fist at iriel's 55 seconds |
| 20:13.10 | Kirov | Does anyone have any experience using SetGradient? |
| 20:13.30 | |FF|Im2good4u | no |
| 20:13.42 | Kirov | I'm assuming it's working the same way as SetColor and effecting the vertex colors only. |
| 20:14.15 | JoshBorke | Mikk: !!! |
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| 20:14.34 | Iriel | Kirov: Are you trying to figure out if you can mix an image and a gradient? |
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| 20:15.13 | JoshBorke | oh yea |
| 20:15.15 | JoshBorke | Mikk: ping |
| 20:15.55 | Kirov | Iriel - no, I'm trying to figure out if some odd hitching I was seeing is being caused by it or not. |
| 20:16.59 | Kirov | I was messing with them to spice up ETVIS windows a little, but I started experiencing insane hitches whenever I dragged one of the windows over another (when it was forcing itself to be toplevel) |
| 20:32.30 | warla | hehe i hod the bag bag :-) ---> http://www.wowledgebase.com/?id=1 |
| 20:32.37 | warla | do you find the bags now? ;-) |
| 20:33.52 | Gryphen | nice |
| 20:34.53 | Iriel | assert(Luke:GetParent() == self) |
| 20:35.07 | krka | :P |
| 20:40.12 | Mikk | I need to get my laptop up and running again. I don't tab to this window often enough :< |
| 20:40.26 | koomi | yay. me mod runs |
| 20:40.37 | koomi | well... not much of a mod really but it does run |
| 20:40.53 | JoshBorke | that's what is important :-) |
| 20:41.19 | koomi | or the insight that concenation and other stuff work slightly different than in other programming languages :) |
| 20:41.33 | JoshBorke | just slightly :-) |
| 20:41.38 | Mikk | JoshBorke: Don't forget memory consumption rates of 300KB/s+. They're also very important. |
| 20:42.56 | koomi | just wondering: how much data can i stuff into a global var before wow complains? |
| 20:43.14 | Kirov | koomi - what kind of var? |
| 20:43.28 | koomi | Kirov: combat stats |
| 20:43.37 | koomi | Kirov: table :) |
| 20:43.50 | koomi | array or whatever lua calls it :) |
| 20:44.09 | Kirov | if it's a table, you can stuff as much crap in it you want. |
| 20:44.18 | koomi | nice. |
| 20:44.24 | krka | until you run out of memory |
| 20:44.28 | koomi | hrhr |
| 20:44.36 | Mikk | script memory, that is |
| 20:44.39 | Mikk | default 48MB or whateveritis |
| 20:44.49 | koomi | but 48mb of raw data is alot |
| 20:44.59 | Kirov | My LootLink Database, for example, is around 12 megs. |
| 20:45.05 | Mikk | koomi: for all addons, including code |
| 20:45.05 | koomi | what |
| 20:45.10 | koomi | s lootlink? |
| 20:45.18 | JoshBorke | Mikk: indeed! |
| 20:45.37 | Kirov | koomi - what is lootlink? |
| 20:45.37 | koomi | to be honest: i don't even play wow that much - just wanted to see how mod writing works |
| 20:45.59 | koomi | Kirov: ja. new laptop here and i keep hitting return in the middle of a sentence |
| 20:46.01 | Kirov | koomi - it's an addon that keeps track of every item the player has ever see. |
| 20:46.13 | koomi | iiek |
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| 20:46.19 | koomi | and uploads it? |
| 20:46.21 | Kirov | keeps information about the name, and the entire tooltip text |
| 20:46.39 | Kirov | no, just stores it localy in .lua |
| 20:46.50 | jaxdahl | itemsync is an alternative to lootlink |
| 20:46.57 | jaxdahl | although it doesn't always seem to pick up new items |
| 20:47.06 | Elkano | what about ItemDB? ;) |
| 20:47.21 | JoshBorke | or KCI! |
| 20:48.00 | JoshBorke | WoWBench! |
| 20:48.03 | Kirov | ChatThottleLib! |
| 20:48.14 | Leprkn | I love lamp.... |
| 20:48.26 | Kirov | lamp? |
| 20:48.44 | krka | i love carpet |
| 20:48.48 | Mikk | cabbage |
| 20:49.26 | Kirov | Mikk - you have a cabbage on your desk? |
| 20:50.01 | Mikk | no, i feel like one |
| 20:51.21 | Mikk | owell. I finished the graphic I wanted to do today ( http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:classes.png ). Might as well go read until I fall asleep. That strikes me as sufficiently advanced for now :-P |
| 20:52.04 | Kirov | I like the rogue |
| 20:52.10 | Mikk | =) |
| 20:52.45 | Kirov | needs a hunter getting mauled by his pet |
| 20:52.53 | Mikk | hahaha |
| 20:53.19 | Kirov | Or holding a gun backwards |
| 20:53.42 | Mikk | meh. gifv more screen space :-P |
| 20:55.04 | Mikk | I'll keep that idea in mind though. There's more images to be drawn ;) |
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| 21:10.34 | JoshBorke | ok bye all |
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| 21:33.50 | warla | http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/wow/addons-5336-1-wowprofiles.html |
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| 21:45.00 | Qzot | Heyo. |
| 21:51.38 | Tem | Kirkburn|afk, poke |
| 21:52.33 | Qzot | Don't think anyone's here. Everybody's trying to log into the beta. |
| 21:53.11 | Qzot | Wow. People know me too well. No one takse the bait... |
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| 21:54.17 | Iriel | I think too many of us have Blizzcon keys and would know about it if it existed |
| 21:54.39 | Qzot | I was banking on that. |
| 21:55.02 | Qzot | And a general paranoid fear that "maybe something went wrong with *my* registration". |
| 21:56.04 | Tem | Qzot, I'm very glad that I had looked away during your farce |
| 21:56.19 | Qzot | hehe |
| 21:56.32 | Qzot | Get that little zing of adrenalin? |
| 21:57.02 | Tem | Anyone know what the last version of ClearFont was that included the real font? |
| 21:57.18 | Tem | I dislike the new one |
| 21:57.45 | Qzot | Grump. I got a megadose of it over the weekend. Two Baron runs. Looking for one thing: [Idol of Brutality], equippable only by druids. |
| 21:57.54 | Qzot | s/two/ten |
| 21:58.13 | Qzot | On the 10th run it drops, and a hunter needs the thing, and wins the roll against me. |
| 21:58.54 | Tem | and that is why I don't do PUGs |
| 21:59.44 | Kirov | uhg |
| 22:00.15 | Kirov | Most hunters give our class a bad name. |
| 22:00.39 | nevcairiel | that are those hunters which will never get above mc equip :) |
| 22:01.47 | Cide | well the hunters that people complain about ARE the ones with >bwl gear :) |
| 22:01.53 | Kirov | It used to be they'd never get better than teir0 gear |
| 22:03.22 | nevcairiel | all the hunters in our guild behave. |
| 22:03.23 | nevcairiel | :) |
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| 22:03.50 | Leprkn | I've played with some really stupid hunters before |
| 22:04.06 | Leprkn | being a hunter myself, makes me want to hang my head in shame... |
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| 22:04.46 | axxo | we had a hunter pull out his lvl 54 monkey in the suppression room to level it |
| 22:04.49 | axxo | guess what happened |
| 22:04.49 | Qzot | I complained loudly to teh guild leader of the hunter involved. He claims she is a non-farming Chinese speaker who has always been good, and in the coures of investigating decided she was either lying about farming (and therefore unable to control access to her toon), or whatever. But I simply couldn't believe my eyes. |
| 22:05.14 | Kirov | Had a hunter recently who at lvl 60 with 3/8 giantstalker didn't know how to use tranq shot. |
| 22:05.20 | nevcairiel | haha |
| 22:05.40 | Kirov | axxo - ew |
| 22:06.13 | Qzot | Hmm. Well, I have a 58 lock and a 60 mage that I leveled on an RP server. There's no doubt in my mind that I never really knew how to drive either class. |
| 22:06.33 | Qzot | Where is the "suppression room"? |
| 22:06.38 | nevcairiel | BWL |
| 22:06.39 | Kirov | BWL |
| 22:06.53 | nevcairiel | sometimes referred to as the "depression room" |
| 22:07.02 | Qzot | Ah. I set foot in BWL for the first time last night. We were practicing wiping in the 1st room. |
| 22:07.27 | axxo | think 250mobs that rush at the aggro range of a 54 pet monkey |
| 22:07.55 | Kirov | I just have a problem with someone who constantly insists they know what they're doing, but is last on the damage meter of the hunters, being beaten by hunters in blues and greens and he has 3/8 gs and the epic quest bow ... and doesn't know how to use Tranquilizing shot. |
| 22:08.06 | Qzot | Hunter pets level at their own agro range, and not that of their master? Ouch. |
| 22:08.16 | Kirov | Qzot - aye |
| 22:08.31 | Kirov | Though their aggro range is reduced slightly that of a normal player. |
| 22:08.42 | Qzot | Hmm. Did I mention I have a 50 hunter as well? Obviously don't know much about her, eithre. |
| 22:08.54 | Leprkn | some people take the "Autoshot-afk" a little too seriously. |
| 22:09.03 | Qzot | So ... putting her on passive and taking her into MC would not be a great way to level her, huh? |
| 22:09.10 | Kirov | Leprkn - aye |
| 22:09.22 | Kirov | Qzot - it's a great way of getting your pet dead |
| 22:09.25 | Arrowmaster | i didnt think hunter pets had aggro ranges like that? ive seen lvl 24ish pets in MC not aggro a thing |
| 22:09.34 | Qzot | Err. I meant to say she has a level 20 pet that I want to level up to 50. |
| 22:09.44 | Leprkn | I'm MC Raid Leader/Puller for my guild and still out DPS the other hunters |
| 22:09.47 | Kirov | Arrowmaster - as soon as they enter combat they have an aggro range |
| 22:09.51 | Leprkn | only up to 4/8 GS |
| 22:10.09 | Kirov | Arrowmaster - if they're on passive and not attacked they don't have an aggro range. |
| 22:10.33 | Kirov | Leprkn - I'm usually #2 as the raid's main puller. |
| 22:10.45 | Qzot | So, we have a bunch of competant-sounding hunters here. What is a reasonably friendly way to level a 20 cat I want for end game use? |
| 22:10.55 | Kirov | by about 10,000 or so by the end of MC, but I'm going against a NE hunter with huhuran's bow |
| 22:11.03 | Kirov | Can't really win that battle. |
| 22:11.09 | Leprkn | brd runs :-P |
| 22:11.12 | axxo | you don't use pets for endgame |
| 22:11.20 | axxo | except for suicide pulls |
| 22:11.54 | Qzot | Pets aren't used in Strat/Scholo/BRS? |
| 22:11.56 | Leprkn | I decided I wanted to have The Rake as a pet so I ran over and tamed him, got him from 10 - 30 in 2 jailbreak runs. |
| 22:12.00 | axxo | thats not endgame |
| 22:12.02 | Qzot | Pets aren't used for PvP? |
| 22:12.09 | Qzot | axxo: Fair enough. |
| 22:12.09 | Leprkn | that's not "endgame" |
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| 22:12.31 | Qzot | Okay, okay. But for a 50 hunter / 20 pet, how do I level the pet? |
| 22:12.47 | Qzot | Won't BRD-mates want me to have a real pet? |
| 22:12.53 | Kirov | Qzot - go kill stuff around your level in a non-raid situation |
| 22:13.06 | AnduinLothar | grind |
| 22:13.10 | axxo | or give up on the stupid idea |
| 22:13.11 | Qzot | Ugh. |
| 22:13.17 | Kirov | They level quick |
| 22:13.39 | zenzelezz | my 41 hunter recently went from a 2.80 bow to a 2.10 one, now it feels like I'm burning arrows way faster :-| |
| 22:13.42 | Qzot | So, assuming the pet level 3x what I do (is that right), I'll need to spend 1/3 as much time as it took me to get from 20-50? |
| 22:14.15 | Kirov | http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=local&id=4621427 - ah the joy of the information age. People in my office were noticing an odd smell through the building ... this is a couple blocks away |
| 22:15.33 | Qzot | Kirov: Had no idea you were SF. Should get together some time. |
| 22:15.56 | Kirov | Qzot - me and about 5 other people in this channel. |
| 22:16.11 | Qzot | I only know one other. I'm south bay. |
| 22:16.30 | Kirov | Iriel for sure. Fairly sure there were others. |
| 22:16.32 | Leprkn | I'm in napa, that count? |
| 22:16.53 | Qzot | No. In Napa, you've already crossed the red-blue divide. |
| 22:17.02 | Qzot | You're basically in another country. |
| 22:17.05 | Leprkn | dammit /wrists |
| 22:17.15 | Kirov | lol |
| 22:17.57 | Leprkn | just moved up here from concord, damned raises... |
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| 22:57.30 | Qzot | You can usually decline a raise ... depends on the company. |
| 23:00.30 | ckknight | ~wrists |
| 23:00.32 | purl | Remember, emo kids, it's down the street, not across the road! |
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| 23:02.52 | Leprkn | lol |
| 23:03.29 | Leprkn | well I couldn't pass this one up, it was 10k/yr more. I've got a 4month old to feed :-) |
| 23:06.27 | Xuerian | Blah, what's the lighest way to round a float partially, IE 5.13334451 to 5.13? math.floor((n+0.05)*100)/100? |
| 23:06.39 | Iriel | For display, or calculation? |
| 23:06.59 | Xuerian | calculation |
| 23:07.26 | Iriel | your math.floor, then, though i'd personally write it as math.floor((n * 100) + 0.5) / 100; |
| 23:07.37 | Iriel | only because it's less prone to error if you change the multiplier |
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| 23:07.52 | Xuerian | Ok. Much thanks ^_~ |
| 23:08.15 | Corrodias | Qzot: levelling a pet is just painful, no matter what you do. the only way he levels up to catch up to you is if you fight hundreds of green-level mobs |
| 23:08.25 | Iriel | Even these days? |
| 23:08.29 | Corrodias | he doesn't need to be involved in the fight, but he won't be much help, either |
| 23:08.35 | Iriel | It used to be horrific beyond belief, but they improved it a whole lot |
| 23:08.49 | Corrodias | levelling pets? well, it was pretty painful last month when i tried it |
| 23:09.23 | warla | anyone here that has experience in localising an addon? so its texted for like english and german? |
| 23:09.25 | Iriel | Maybe you just didn't have the truly painful experience to contrast against 8-) |
| 23:09.58 | Corrodias | arr. |
| 23:10.32 | Xuerian | Warla: Actually translating it, or making it translatable? |
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| 23:14.49 | Qzot | Hmm. Maybe level in 5-man instances is the way to go, then. Leveling solo when you can't use the pet to hold agro is a real pain. |
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| 23:20.49 | warla | i am native german speaking so i can translate the stuff |
| 23:20.59 | warla | i need to know how to prepare the addon to accept multiple language files |
| 23:22.12 | Xuerian | Easy answer: Use AceLocale, then setup the strings table... then use (for example) L["windowTitle"] for the appropriate translation. Other answer: I have none, but of course it's possible :P |
| 23:22.41 | Qzot | warla: Yeah, use AceLocale. |
| 23:23.06 | Qzot | warla: Any addon that's ever done localization has used AceLocale. It's not possible otherwise. :P |
| 23:23.11 | warla | whats AceLocale? |
| 23:23.16 | Cide | yeah, Qzot is right. |
| 23:23.20 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 23:23.46 | AnduinLothar | ace propaganda at it's best |
| 23:24.15 | AnduinLothar | There are a multitude of ways to do localization w/ or w/o libs |
| 23:24.24 | Cide | local locale = GetLocale(); if ( locale == "enUS" or locale == "enGB" ) then YourStringTable = { ["windowTitle"] = "Hi there" } elseif ( locale == "deDE" ) then YourStringTable = { ["windowTitle"] = "Hi there in German" } end |
| 23:24.25 | warla | i'd prefer no lib ^^ |
| 23:24.41 | warla | is there a way to have them in separate lua files |
| 23:24.48 | warla | and load te right one at the language? |
| 23:24.49 | AnduinLothar | sure |
| 23:24.52 | AnduinLothar | no |
| 23:24.58 | Cide | yes |
| 23:24.59 | warla | like having a deDE.lua and a enUS.lua |
| 23:25.04 | warla | and load them at startup |
| 23:25.09 | Xuerian | Load it dynamically? No... Use the right one DEFINED in the lua file? sure |
| 23:25.13 | Cide | you'd just have it execute all files, and have each file contain an if statement, checking if it's the appopriate file to parse |
| 23:25.20 | AnduinLothar | you can easily make multiple files but you cant only have the right one load |
| 23:25.26 | Cide | err, execute |
| 23:25.33 | AnduinLothar | right |
| 23:25.39 | AnduinLothar | encase the file in an if statement |
| 23:25.44 | warla | so hmm |
| 23:25.46 | Qzot | Tho I suspect it's easier for translators if there is a single file to edit. |
| 23:25.48 | warla | i could to this: |
| 23:25.53 | warla | have 3 language files |
| 23:25.57 | warla | and load all 3 |
| 23:26.00 | warla | which will be executed |
| 23:26.18 | warla | but each one is encapsulated with a if (getlocale()="xxx") then |
| 23:26.19 | warla | end |
| 23:26.25 | Xuerian | local locale = GetLocale(); if ( locale == "enUS" or locale == "enGB" ) then AddonStringTable = englishStringTable) then end (Where englishStringTable is defined in english.lua) |
| 23:26.28 | AnduinLothar | except 1 |
| 23:26.33 | AnduinLothar | which will eb default |
| 23:26.40 | warla | ya |
| 23:26.45 | warla | so basically |
| 23:26.49 | Cide | warla: that's what I said :) |
| 23:26.49 | warla | the enUS wont have a check |
| 23:26.57 | AnduinLothar | that's what i do |
| 23:26.58 | warla | and the other ones would simply override the language strings |
| 23:27.02 | AnduinLothar | right |
| 23:27.09 | warla | cool |
| 23:27.14 | warla | now all i need to know is |
| 23:27.20 | warla | HOW do i add multiple files to my mod |
| 23:27.22 | warla | i have just 1 |
| 23:27.23 | warla | lol |
| 23:27.40 | warla | wowprofiles.lua that i put in the toc |
| 23:27.53 | AnduinLothar | you can add them to the toc too |
| 23:28.00 | AnduinLothar | each on their own line |
| 23:28.01 | Xuerian | add them on a new line :P |
| 23:28.08 | warla | ohh that works |
| 23:28.11 | AnduinLothar | load them before your lua prolly |
| 23:28.17 | warla | does wow load em in the order i add the lines? |
| 23:28.21 | Cide | yes |
| 23:28.32 | warla | so first like = loaded first? |
| 23:28.35 | warla | then next line |
| 23:28.37 | AnduinLothar | for file names I tend to use localization.en.lua - localization.fr.lua - localization.de.lua |
| 23:28.37 | Cide | yes.. :) |
| 23:28.43 | warla | so i'd have 4 lines looking like this: |
| 23:28.48 | warla | enUS.lua |
| 23:28.52 | warla | deDe.lua |
| 23:28.53 | zenzelezz | nah, it reads them all and then executes them in random order =D |
| 23:28.55 | warla | frFR.lua |
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| 23:28.58 | warla | wowprofiles.lua |
| 23:29.01 | AnduinLothar | yes |
| 23:29.14 | AnduinLothar | shush zenze |
| 23:29.30 | warla | zenzelezz even if that sounds like a joke... it actually wouldnt surprise me seeing the lousy coding job blizz did :-/ |
| 23:30.08 | AnduinLothar | oh did you want them to consult you before hand? |
| 23:30.17 | Cide | blizzard did a fine job with coding the UI |
| 23:30.23 | zenzelezz | would take more coding to execute them randomly than in order they appear in the file |
| 23:30.24 | warla | lots is missing :-/ |
| 23:30.37 | Cide | in your opinion, maybe |
| 23:30.40 | zenzelezz | it's not missing |
| 23:30.53 | AnduinLothar | deliberately absent more likely |
| 23:31.03 | zenzelezz | there could have been more, but the stock UI didn't need it |
| 23:31.05 | Cide | in any case, bedtime for me. night |
| 23:32.54 | warla | well |
| 23:33.04 | warla | mail functions i cannot get the item ID of an attached item |
| 23:33.09 | warla | = very annoying |
| 23:33.20 | warla | i get the texture, the tooltip, the name everything |
| 23:33.22 | warla | just not the id |
| 23:34.01 | MentalPower | I know |
| 23:34.08 | MentalPower | I'll pastey my hack code |
| 23:35.36 | MentalPower | warla: http://wowi.pastey.net/1268 |
| 23:35.43 | MentalPower | it works for most items |
| 23:35.57 | MentalPower | it fails for items with randomProps and for items that share names |
| 23:36.16 | zenzelezz | randomProps = of the..? |
| 23:36.33 | MentalPower | yep |
| 23:43.44 | Qzot | warla: If I wanted to localize something, of course I wouldn't use what anyone else has done. |
| 23:44.07 | Qzot | warla: So I'd write some simple framework like http://wowi.pastey.net/1269 |
| 23:44.27 | Qzot | And put it in one Lua file. |
| 23:46.53 | Kirov | I have a more advanced one that will get the item id even for same-name items. |
| 23:47.03 | Kirov | including suffixids |
| 23:47.11 | Kirov | but it's not terribly fast. |
| 23:47.16 | Qzot | I still can't log into the beta. |
| 23:49.16 | Cairenn | Qzot: o.O |
| 23:49.21 | Cairenn | Qzot: you got your beta invite? |
| 23:49.30 | Qzot | No. That's why I can't log in. :( |
| 23:49.34 | Qzot | :D |
| 23:49.36 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 23:49.37 | zenzelezz | think he's still trying to fool people |
| 23:49.40 | zenzelezz | like earlier |
| 23:49.53 | Qzot | Indeed. In a rasty mood today. |
| 23:50.35 | Qzot | Kirov: How does it work? |
| 23:51.34 | Kirov | Qzot - tooltip parsing |
| 23:51.45 | Qzot | Kirov: Can it do it without shifting the time-to-read from 30 to 3 days? |
| 23:52.12 | Kirov | It generates a noticable hitch for sure. |
| 23:52.33 | Qzot | I don't understand "notieable hitch"? Delay? |
| 23:53.06 | Kirov | Qzot - when you open your mailbox, the screen appears to freeze up for about few miliseconds longer than usual. |
| 23:53.12 | Kirov | so, yes, it causes a noticable delay. |
| 23:53.56 | Qzot | I'm less concerned with that than shortening the amount of time I have until I have to retrieve something out of my mail. |
| 23:54.11 | Kirov | It'd be possibly to cache all the tooltips in the mail and do them one every update instead of all at once. |
| 23:54.21 | *** join/#wowi-lounge hyperChipmunk (n=staharaj@d14-69-214-77.try.wideopenwest.com) |
| 23:54.40 | Qzot | Hmm. Can you also get count this way? |
| 23:55.14 | Kirov | hmm |
| 23:55.22 | Kirov | I thought you could get that already |
| 23:55.38 | Qzot | Wait. Tooltips? I thought you couldn't get tooltips without selecting the item. And selecting/reading the item definitely drops you to a 3-day time limit. |
| 23:55.51 | AnduinLothar | no |
| 23:55.59 | AnduinLothar | tooltips are availible |
| 23:56.15 | Kirov | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetInboxItem - doesn't incur the 3 day penalty either |
| 23:57.26 | Qzot | Wow. But the default UI doesn't show the count. Bad, bad. |
