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| 00:29.30 | Mystiq | anyone around? |
| 00:29.43 | Cairenn | yup |
| 00:29.47 | Mystiq | http://wowi.pastey.net/1226 |
| 00:29.56 | Mystiq | said function is defined in a .lua file |
| 00:30.06 | JoshBork1 | thanks for the update cair :-) |
| 00:30.19 | Cairenn | JoshBork welcome :) |
| 00:30.56 | JoshBork1 | make sure it's not defined as 'local function copyRaidName() |
| 00:30.58 | Mystiq | that paste is in my .xml file (i am entirely new to wow scripting, but not programming in general) |
| 00:31.11 | Mystiq | " |
| 00:31.11 | Mystiq | function copyRaidNames() |
| 00:31.15 | Mystiq | well let me paste it then |
| 00:31.48 | Mystiq | http://wowi.pastey.net/1227 |
| 00:33.15 | Mystiq | im so confused |
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| 00:34.31 | MentalPower|AFK | rename it on both files to YourAddOnName_copyRaidNames() |
| 00:34.33 | Cairenn | unfortunately, I'm no good at WoW coding, and it seems that everyone else is kinda afk, but hang around, hopefully someone will show up who has some time and will be willing to look at it for you |
| 00:34.48 | Cairenn | ooooor, MentalPower|AFK will jump in and help right now :) |
| 00:35.01 | MentalPower|AFK | lol |
| 00:35.13 | Mystiq | i dont mind LUA, but the XML portion is driving me bonkers |
| 00:35.46 | phyber | <OnClick> function() copyRaidNames() end </OnClick> ? |
| 00:35.57 | phyber | I hate XML, so not sure. |
| 00:37.16 | MentalPower | nah, that won't help |
| 00:37.26 | MentalPower | change the name of the function |
| 00:37.46 | MentalPower | some other addon could be interfering |
| 00:39.07 | Mystiq | same thing, just with a different name |
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| 00:39.31 | MentalPower | what about manually calling the function? |
| 00:39.49 | MentalPower | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:40.24 | JoshBork1 | btw, what doesn't work? |
| 00:40.57 | Mystiq | nope |
| 00:40.59 | MentalPower | http://wowi.pastey.net/1226 |
| 00:41.13 | JoshBork1 | i've seen the code, but which portion? |
| 00:41.14 | Mystiq | JoshBork1, just trying to get a command button to call a function and its giving me a hard time |
| 00:41.18 | MentalPower | ok, did you include the file in your .toc? |
| 00:41.29 | JoshBork1 | Mystiq: does the button show up? |
| 00:41.40 | Mystiq | the lua file? |
| 00:41.42 | Mystiq | JoshBork1, yes |
| 00:41.45 | MentalPower | yes the lua file |
| 00:41.59 | Mystiq | ah, that might do it |
| 00:42.00 | JoshBork1 | lua file is listed in the xml |
| 00:42.14 | MentalPower | ah, true |
| 00:42.29 | MentalPower | I never liked including files in XML |
| 00:42.50 | JoshBork1 | put this at the top of the function: DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage('OnClick') |
| 00:42.56 | Mystiq | but no, still doesnt work |
| 00:43.11 | MentalPower | toc changes require game restart |
| 00:43.14 | Mystiq | i did |
| 00:43.38 | Iriel | Check your logs/FrameLog.txt file then |
| 00:44.01 | Iriel | Sorry FrameXML.log or FrameXML.txt |
| 00:44.10 | Iriel | I dont recall offhand which it is, minor mind blank |
| 00:44.21 | MentalPower | .log |
| 00:44.43 | Mystiq | would an error in the .lua file cause it to not load? |
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| 00:45.12 | MentalPower | nop, the game would spit out an error |
| 00:45.19 | MentalPower | XML files on the other hand |
| 00:45.41 | Mystiq | 9/30 20:42:11.796 Interface\AddOns\HoPoints\HoPoints.lua:24: `then' expected near `!' |
| 00:45.53 | Mystiq | i took a guess and thought != would be not equals |
| 00:46.00 | JoshBork1 | should be ~= |
| 00:47.07 | Mystiq | SUCCESS |
| 00:47.18 | Cairenn | that'd do it, yup |
| 00:47.27 | Mystiq | now if only i could make the UI look less like a fat guy in his underwear designed it |
| 00:47.30 | Cairenn | lua uses ~= |
| 00:50.29 | Mystiq | now i have another problem, the text box i have always has focus, i cant even chat w/o clicking on a name in the chat box |
| 00:54.05 | MentalPower | make it autofocus = false |
| 00:55.26 | MentalPower | later guys |
| 00:55.28 | Mystiq | oh nice, thanks |
| 00:55.30 | paulharman | Mystiq: Earth provides a nice basic template to use :) |
| 00:55.31 | MentalPower | off to have some fun |
| 00:55.41 | Cairenn | later MentalPower|AFK |
| 00:56.50 | Mystiq | i'd rather not rely on other mods or api packages, been a purest ever since i stopped using VB as my primary personal language :/ |
| 00:57.50 | Cairenn | *envisions the usual debate starting up again* |
| 00:57.56 | paulharman | i thought that too till i tried to design a UI :) |
| 00:58.05 | Mystiq | yeah, i think i can tell what might transpire, nevermind :P |
| 00:58.25 | Cairenn | naw, it's not bad |
| 00:58.46 | Cairenn | just the whole "to use libraries/frameworks or not to use libraries/frameworks" |
| 00:59.09 | Mystiq | it'd be easier if there was just a drag/drop thing you could use |
| 00:59.22 | paulharman | yes i've been thinking that all day :) |
| 00:59.25 | Mystiq | the win32 api is a nightmare, blizzard's xml ui implementation doesnt see much more friendly |
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| 00:59.55 | paulharman | i've just managed to get a set of tabs working after 3 hours of bashing my head against the wall |
| 01:00.07 | Cairenn | nothing wrong with a good debate every now and then, so long as it doesn't get personal. always the possibility of learning something, looking at something differently than you previously had ;) |
| 01:01.20 | JoshBork1 | i want to debate |
| 01:01.32 | paulharman | i'm a master debater |
| 01:01.37 | paulharman | sorry couldn't resist :) |
| 01:02.09 | Mystiq | oh i jsut had a horrible thought |
| 01:02.13 | Cairenn | ~sigh paulharman |
| 01:02.15 | purl | ACTION sighs, rolls its eyes and shakes its head, "paulharman!" |
| 01:02.20 | Mystiq | felt like i was in java with these frames, bliz should provide a layout manager |
| 01:03.24 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5095-WoWBench.html & http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info4222-WoW_UI_Designer.html are a couple very handy tools for authors |
| 01:03.47 | JoshBork1 | not wowbench! it's awful! |
| 01:03.48 | JoshBork1 | ;-) |
| 01:04.20 | Cairenn | psst, you're right |
| 01:04.59 | Mystiq | wow |
| 01:05.03 | Mystiq | that bitch actually did it |
| 01:05.05 | Mystiq | screw this |
| 01:05.14 | Cairenn | *blink* |
| 01:05.18 | Cairenn | what bitch did what? |
| 01:05.22 | Mystiq | wow ui designer > all |
| 01:05.43 | AnduinLothar | if you're a beginner, yes it is very useful |
| 01:07.23 | AnduinLothar | it needs some competition imo |
| 01:09.34 | AnduinLothar | if i were really inspired I'd rewrite Earth tho |
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| 01:30.52 | AnduinLothar | i have inspiration. just not for such tedious work as rewritting an xml lib |
| 01:31.02 | JoshBork1 | ok back |
| 01:31.11 | JoshBork1 | you should write a synchronizer |
| 01:31.17 | AnduinLothar | ? |
| 01:31.24 | AnduinLothar | oh |
| 01:31.26 | JoshBork1 | for my table |
| 01:31.27 | AnduinLothar | for time you mean |
| 01:31.37 | AnduinLothar | meh |
| 01:31.43 | AnduinLothar | syncronizer is easy |
| 01:31.50 | JoshBork1 | then tell me how! |
| 01:32.00 | JoshBork1 | because i'm feeling quite dumb :-( |
| 01:32.10 | AnduinLothar | depends on how you want it syncronized |
| 01:32.47 | JoshBorke | i want it synchronized by whoever has the newest copy |
| 01:33.04 | AnduinLothar | not what i mean. what format is it in? |
| 01:33.36 | AnduinLothar | how is the table structured |
| 01:34.10 | JoshBork1 | table = { ['content'] = 'stuff', ['author'] = 'author', ['timemodified'] = <time modified>, ['timeUpdate'] = <last time a child node was updated>, ['objects'] = { ['some Topic'] = { ['content'], etc } } |
| 01:34.59 | JoshBork1 | each 'node' can have mulitple nodes beneath it |
| 01:35.46 | AnduinLothar | not sure i follow |
| 01:35.51 | AnduinLothar | how the nodes work |
| 01:35.59 | JoshBork1 | it's an n-ary tree |
| 01:37.34 | JoshBork1 | that will be synchronized between a guild |
| 01:37.36 | AnduinLothar | it stores histories? |
| 01:37.54 | JoshBork1 | just modification timestamps to determine who has the newest stuff |
| 01:38.09 | AnduinLothar | just store the latest one |
| 01:38.32 | JoshBork1 | i'm trying to figure out how to synchronize it when someone signs on |
| 01:38.41 | JoshBork1 | determining what exactly needs to be sync'd up |
| 01:39.15 | AnduinLothar | you need a unique key/id and a crc of the content |
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| 01:39.51 | AnduinLothar | or |
| 01:40.03 | AnduinLothar | just a unique key/id and your timestamp |
| 01:40.20 | JoshBork1 | for the key/id i'm just going to use a path to get to the content |
| 01:40.31 | AnduinLothar | which is |
| 01:40.36 | JoshBork1 | something like: TopLevel>Instances>Garr |
| 01:40.39 | Kirov | moo |
| 01:41.00 | JoshBork1 | oink |
| 01:41.28 | Cairenn | purr |
| 01:42.26 | Kirkburn|Vista | miaow |
| 01:44.02 | AnduinLothar | key needs to be as short as possible |
| 01:46.34 | Kirov | iriel - ping |
| 01:46.42 | Iriel | Kirov - pong 8-) |
| 01:47.18 | JoshBork1 | i guess i colud make the key shorter by keeping track of where in the tree i am... |
| 01:47.43 | Kirov | Iriel - get my e-mails? |
| 01:48.10 | JoshBork1 | another question is: wolud it be advantageous to save my table as a large string then convert it back to a table when logging in? |
| 01:48.11 | Iriel | Kirov: I did - yup... I'll be checking the frame out soon - just got to finish something entirely unrelated |
| 01:48.17 | Kirov | k |
| 01:48.32 | Iriel | JoshBork1: It depends on your table contents and structure really |
| 01:49.07 | AnduinLothar | i woudl recommend a numerical 3 digit key |
| 01:49.12 | Wobin | Does anyone know of a good addon similar to RogueSwap? |
| 01:49.14 | AnduinLothar | increment as events are added |
| 01:49.23 | Wobin | RS keeps... forgetting which weapons I have in which hands |
| 01:49.32 | Iriel | I think a longer 'external' key is a MUCH better idea for the data exchange |
| 01:49.43 | JoshBork1 | AnduinLothar: how would that work exactly? |
| 01:49.52 | Iriel | Numerical keys are fine if there's a central key assignment authority but they break horribly with distributed systems |
| 01:49.54 | AnduinLothar | creator assigns an event an id |
| 01:50.41 | JoshBork1 | but there's no way to guarantee the key won't conflict with another person's key |
| 01:50.57 | JoshBork1 | but i think i see what you're saying |
| 01:53.47 | AnduinLothar | iriel's right tho. it would be a mess to mitigate conflicts if you have lots of people creating events w/o having all availible previously created ones |
| 01:54.14 | AnduinLothar | but I'm invisioning a system where you have 5 officers creating the vast majority of events |
| 01:54.42 | JoshBork1 | this will be highly distributed because anyone the guild leader allows to make a change can |
| 01:54.55 | JoshBork1 | and until the guild leader defines permissions, ANYONE can make a change |
| 01:54.56 | AnduinLothar | changing doesn't matter, only creation |
| 01:55.09 | AnduinLothar | changes wouldn't increment the id |
| 01:55.21 | Wobin | could the unique key be a hash of the creator and time? |
| 01:55.29 | AnduinLothar | that works too |
| 01:55.35 | AnduinLothar | however |
| 01:55.37 | Iriel | AnduinLothar's suggestion is good if you have lots of stored references to the keys, each client can normalize the key down to a short integer, but lua already kinda does that with its interned strings |
| 01:55.53 | Kirov | http://www.rdx-raid.com/images/shots/RDX_Quill.jpg |
| 01:56.04 | Kirov | me thinks they're using Iriel's line drawing code |
| 01:56.16 | Iriel | Personally I'd design my top level keys the way joshbork1 suggested |
| 01:56.25 | Kirov | that or sending _crap_ loads of point data |
| 01:56.49 | Iriel | We came up with some decent point stripping and encoding algorithms when Cide was playing around with it |
| 01:57.22 | JoshBork1 | hrm. i think i'm going to keep track of where along the tree i am while sync'ing rather than assigning each node a unique key |
| 01:57.26 | AnduinLothar | not sure what you're getting at with the strings iriel |
| 01:57.29 | Iriel | So let's hope they're using lines and some smarts to strip the data |
| 01:58.05 | Cide | let me see if I can dig up the encode/decode stuff |
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| 01:58.48 | Iriel | To initiate a synchronization, something like "Sync /strategies/someinstance/bossname/tanking" is much better than "Sync 1752" |
| 01:59.08 | Iriel | there should be relatively few initiation requests |
| 01:59.24 | Iriel | once you're inside such a thing, then your point about short clean identifiers most certainly applies |
| 01:59.45 | Cide | http://wow.pastey.net/1229 |
| 02:00.05 | AnduinLothar | i guess i'm not catching what josh is trying to sync |
| 02:00.19 | JoshBork1 | an in-game knowledgebase |
| 02:00.27 | Iriel | He's trying to sync arbitrary stores of in-game data |
| 02:00.29 | AnduinLothar | ah |
| 02:00.34 | Kirkburn|Vista | Is it sad that I'm thinking up different things to say every time I delete something? http://www.wowwiki.com/Special:Recentchanges |
| 02:00.47 | JoshBork1 | btw, wow's simpleHTML content is REALLY picky |
| 02:01.13 | AnduinLothar | case sentitivity ftw |
| 02:01.21 | JoshBork1 | ftl :-P |
| 02:01.56 | AnduinLothar | ok. i was thinking he was sorting more of a linear system |
| 02:01.59 | AnduinLothar | er |
| 02:02.00 | AnduinLothar | syncing* |
| 02:02.31 | AnduinLothar | iriels right for trees |
| 02:02.41 | AnduinLothar | should sync the branch path |
| 02:02.49 | AnduinLothar | with some simplification algorithm |
| 02:04.18 | AnduinLothar | i'm sure there's something about tree sync you can google |
| 02:04.50 | JoshBork1 | heh, i never even thought to search |
| 02:05.11 | AnduinLothar | it's peer to peer tree syncing |
| 02:06.06 | AnduinLothar | our main problem is limitted bandwidth |
| 02:06.13 | JoshBork1 | hehe, chunky spread |
| 02:06.32 | AnduinLothar | otherwise it's not dissimilar to typical peer syncing problems |
| 02:06.41 | Kirov | Iriel - this thing really needs a pause button |
| 02:07.08 | Iriel | I created the button graphic already 8-) |
| 02:08.17 | AnduinLothar | hmmm in looking for that i found this: http://venge.net/monotone/ |
| 02:09.29 | Kirov | what the, they rolled back the forums by a week again |
| 02:09.29 | Cide | "this thing"? what'd I miss? :) |
| 02:09.45 | Kirov | http://cyberartist.shackspace.com/etc/eventMenu.jpg |
| 02:09.58 | Cide | ooh |
| 02:10.14 | Kirov | I made a super super inefficient menu for it |
| 02:10.44 | Kirov | Cide - you don't happen to have a nicely formatted list of every event in the game, do you? |
| 02:10.53 | Cide | hmm.. no :( |
| 02:11.03 | Kirov | There's way too many non-real events in the one on the wiki. |
| 02:11.14 | Cide | couldn't you :RegisterAllEvents, play for a weak and save it to SV |
| 02:11.25 | Cide | after a week of playing, format it and print a formatted string to SV |
| 02:11.27 | Kirov | Cide - yes, but I don't pvp |
| 02:11.32 | Kirov | or do quests |
| 02:11.37 | Kirov | or go to the ah |
| 02:11.40 | Cide | have a couple of people do it :) |
| 02:11.43 | Kirov | heh |
| 02:11.52 | Cide | s/weak/week/ |
| 02:12.06 | zenzelezz | "why is my SavedVariables folder 250MB?" |
| 02:12.16 | Cairenn | lol |
| 02:12.20 | Cide | it'd just log every event once ;) |
| 02:12.25 | Corr[home] | whoa |
| 02:12.28 | JoshBork1 | "it must be CTRA!" |
| 02:12.31 | zenzelezz | and check the events each time? |
| 02:12.35 | Wobin | rofl |
| 02:13.31 | JoshBork1 | OnEVent = function() if not SavedVar[event] then SavedVar[event] = true end end |
| 02:13.34 | Corr[home] | i do pvp, quests, a bit of raiding, and gathering of herbs and skins. no production tradeskills, though. |
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| 02:14.02 | Cide | well really, I bet a lot of people in here could jump in for a good cause, Kirov :) |
| 02:14.04 | AnduinLothar | Josh you may find some of this useful: http://venge.net/monotone/docs/Concepts.html |
| 02:14.29 | JoshBork1 | i could sneak it into a mod ;-) |
| 02:15.21 | AnduinLothar | the real question is how are you going to qync. all at one or on demand? |
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| 02:16.00 | AnduinLothar | on demand would be fairly easy and the message could be fairly lengthy |
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| 02:16.23 | AnduinLothar | but it would mean less people have up to date info |
| 02:16.52 | JoshBork1 | i planned on making it all at once |
| 02:17.06 | AnduinLothar | however you could make edits broadcast the change |
| 02:17.18 | AnduinLothar | then anyone online when a change occurs would have the up to date info |
| 02:18.12 | AnduinLothar | i think you'll find syncing the entire database of anythign larger than 20 entries when you log in would be too much |
| 02:18.56 | AnduinLothar | the more you transmit at one time the more problems you are going to run into with bandwidth and conflicts |
| 02:19.24 | JoshBork1 | i plan on spreading it out over a time-period using a que'ing system |
| 02:19.41 | jaxdahl | what sort of data are you syncing? |
| 02:20.12 | AnduinLothar | n-ary wiki style tree |
| 02:20.23 | JoshBork1 | wow, you guys catch on quick! |
| 02:20.26 | jaxdahl | damage meters..? |
| 02:20.31 | jaxdahl | guild roster infO? |
| 02:20.48 | JoshBork1 | arbitrary information |
| 02:21.17 | AnduinLothar | do we have a lua text compression lib yet? |
| 02:22.53 | Kirov | AnduinLothar - I have a lzw lib |
| 02:23.02 | AnduinLothar | on wowi? |
| 02:23.07 | Kirov | not released |
| 02:23.11 | AnduinLothar | publish it |
| 02:23.16 | Kirov | it's sv friendly, but not chat friendly |
| 02:23.29 | AnduinLothar | chat friendly isn;t too hard |
| 02:23.45 | AnduinLothar | protect | \n \t |
| 02:24.33 | Cairenn | Kirov: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/cat35.html ;) |
| 02:25.00 | Kirov | hehe |
| 02:26.19 | Kirov | need to make a minor modification first |
| 02:27.04 | JoshBork1 | g'night all |
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| 02:27.23 | Cairenn | grrrrr |
| 02:27.29 | Cairenn | g'night Josh :p |
| 02:27.32 | JoshBorke | ;-) |
| 02:28.02 | Cairenn | ~fishslap JoshBorke |
| 02:28.03 | purl | ACTION slaps JoshBorke up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 02:28.20 | JoshBorke | ~fishparry |
| 02:28.38 | JoshBorke | anyway, really am going to sleep, nn |
| 02:28.59 | Cairenn | sweet dreams JoshBorke :) |
| 02:29.51 | Kirkburn|Vista | Wait ... I see no pretty "Upload Interface" button on that link? You lied to me :*( |
| 02:30.56 | zenzelezz | you must be using some sort of abomination of a browser then |
| 02:31.22 | Kirkburn|Vista | Ah, I'm not logged in ... |
| 02:31.25 | Cairenn | lol |
| 02:31.30 | Cairenn | that'll do it, yup |
| 02:31.34 | Kirkburn|Vista | =) |
| 02:31.52 | zenzelezz | noob ;-o |
| 02:32.15 | Kirkburn|Vista | I'm running out of random and pointless things to say when I delete stuff - http://www.wowwiki.com/Special:Recentchanges |
| 02:32.39 | Corr[home] | is there any point of reputation at which you receive a discount on riding skill training? |
| 02:32.57 | Kirkburn|Vista | Honored, no? |
| 02:33.14 | Kirkburn|Vista | Same discounts as per normal should apply |
| 02:33.59 | Corr[home] | does that mean the fully discounted price for both discounts is 720g? |
| 02:34.16 | Corr[home] | i'm googling, too, but i'm not as good with google as i used to be |
| 02:34.41 | Corr[home] | ah, here it is. that seems to be correct. |
| 02:35.00 | Iriel | Does anyone remember - is debugprofilestop() in nanoseconds? |
| 02:35.16 | Wobin | Kirov: woo, when you do release it, let me know? |
| 02:39.33 | Kirov | btw, does chat allow for string.char(0) to get sent? |
| 02:40.05 | Iriel | Almost certainly not |
| 02:40.47 | AnduinLothar | SendChatMessage(string.char(0)) doesn't seem to do anythign |
| 02:43.36 | Kirov | sv allows for it |
| 02:43.49 | Kirov | the lzw lib was intended for LootLink |
| 02:44.44 | zenzelezz | /script SendChatMessage("te"..string.char(0).."st"); |
| 02:44.47 | zenzelezz | [...]: te |
| 02:44.59 | Kirov | Yeah |
| 02:45.08 | Kirov | so it's becoming a break |
| 02:47.12 | cmunn | Cide: Is there an easy way to clear all my Player Targets at one time? |
| 02:47.30 | cmunn | Cide: Or better have my Player Targets match my Main Tank Targets Automagically? |
| 02:47.55 | Cide | yes, but I don't have time to dig up the function right now |
| 02:53.31 | cmunn | Thank, that's good enough for me <3 I can find the function. |
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| 02:56.12 | Cide | cmunn: it's not an actual function :) |
| 02:56.21 | Cide | but there are two tables, you can just copy one to the other |
| 02:56.24 | Cide | alternatively, clear it |
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| 03:01.03 | cmunn | Ahh |
| 03:09.07 | Kirov | the lzw lib I have isn't written by myself, I only moved it to lua, so I'm checking with the original author before releasing ... and I'm doing AQ40 |
| 03:09.11 | Cairenn | gotta love it when a GM still enjoys their job enough to be able to role play when answering a /report |
| 03:12.40 | Cairenn | I wonder though, when you've reported an entire guild, do they break into the guild chat to tell them off? talk to just the guild leader? or talk to every single one of the offending members individually? |
| 03:13.09 | CrazyMYKL | for what could you report a whole guild? |
| 03:13.11 | chuckg | I was under the impression guild chat was off limits to the whole "limit of speech" thing. |
| 03:13.29 | chuckg | As for amusing GM's, http://chuckg.org/wow/screens/gm_syntaxerror.jpg |
| 03:14.18 | zenzelezz | lol |
| 03:14.18 | Cairenn | I reported an entire guild because a very very large number of them were spamming a channel in IF for a solid 1/2 hr, making it utterly impossible to read anything else, for any other conversation to be possible |
| 03:15.02 | Cairenn | a single individual spamming, fine, just use /ignore ... but when it's basically an entire guild doing it? /report |
| 03:15.40 | zenzelezz | I nearly reported a murloc in Swamp of Sorrows... it kept evade-bugging every time I got it to 20-30%... the bastard |
| 03:15.48 | Cairenn | zenzelezz: lol |
| 03:16.06 | zenzelezz | the interesting part was that it was in the open, so there was no normal reason for it to evade, like stuck in geometry |
| 03:16.27 | Cairenn | chuckg: I wasn't reporting the guild chat, it wasn't my guild, I was just wondering how the GM will deal with it |
| 03:16.59 | chuckg | I didn't get the full context :) |
| 03:17.04 | chuckg | Was just going on assumptions! |
| 03:17.27 | jaxdahl | chuckg, it's not off limits |
| 03:17.49 | jaxdahl | one of our guildies got reported by another guildie for raid chat stuff, racial slurs |
| 03:17.52 | chuckg | Lame. Should be able to say whatever you want. |
| 03:17.55 | chuckg | Raid is different. |
| 03:18.02 | jaxdahl | it was a guild only raid |
| 03:18.06 | jaxdahl | in BWL |
| 03:18.10 | chuckg | Still different. |
| 03:18.12 | jaxdahl | and the guildie had a long history of infractions, got permabanned |
| 03:18.18 | chuckg | Raid *can* be composed of those who choose not to associate. |
| 03:18.22 | chuckg | Guilds "can't" |
| 03:18.59 | chuckg | It's like joining #racistalk on irc and then reporting them, in my opinion. |
| 03:18.59 | Cairenn | chuckg: I don't personally agree with your opinion, but you are entitled to it |
| 03:19.05 | chuckg | Haha, I suppose. |
| 03:19.11 | chuckg | It's as simple as removing said member if he ofends. |
| 03:19.18 | chuckg | If he doesn't, then it's an overlying guild issue. |
| 03:19.27 | chuckg | If it's such, you probably shouldn't be in the guild. |
| 03:19.49 | Cairenn | chuckg: even so, is /guildremove sufficient for what was said? |
| 03:19.55 | chuckg | Sure. |
| 03:20.06 | chuckg | What does a word mean? From a computer over the internet? In an MMO no less. |
| 03:20.15 | chuckg | Opinion again, but there it is. |
| 03:20.49 | zenzelezz | so the meaning is less just because it's an anonymous media? |
| 03:21.05 | zenzelezz | sure, I threatened to kill him, but remember, it's the Internet |
| 03:21.06 | chuckg | Nope. But they're entitlted to think it, to say it, welcome to the USA. |
| 03:21.36 | zenzelezz | I have absolutely no interest in being in the USA, but thank you for the invitation |
| 03:21.53 | chuckg | If I say "I will kill you." to a room full of 300 people in it, on IRC, who is it a threat to? I'm not talking to "anyone". |
| 03:22.18 | Cairenn | but they *aren't* entitled to think it or say it in WoW, it's in the legal documents they "signed" when they log in to the game |
| 03:22.33 | Cairenn | errr, minus think it |
| 03:22.38 | Cairenn | they can think it all they want |
| 03:22.41 | chuckg | Haha, no I really don't think so. |
| 03:22.42 | Cairenn | they just can't say it |
| 03:22.51 | chuckg | They have no legal justification even there, I believe. |
| 03:22.59 | chuckg | Beyond "see ya". |
| 03:23.11 | Cairenn | which is precisely the point |
| 03:23.26 | Cairenn | break the rules, doesn't matter what chat venue, get tossed from the game |
| 03:23.27 | chuckg | Which brings me back to "gkick" and problem resolved. |
| 03:23.40 | chuckg | If he brings it to a personal level via PM's, then the complain becomes more the valid. |
| 03:24.02 | chuckg | But a legally binding "contract" not to be "racist" in a game is tenuous at best. |
| 03:24.47 | chuckg | If I type "stop being a ngr." it's for you to interpret what I mean. To me, it was an abbreviation as a child for "no good rascal" but recently has become something more biting. |
| 03:24.59 | chuckg | Take it as you will :) |
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| 03:30.38 | Cairenn | night cladhaire, sweet dreams |
| 03:35.18 | Kirkburn|Vista | Hmm, do I out my giant Bugs Bunny poster up at the end of my bed? Tough choice .... do I want to have the first thing I see in the morning be a giant crazed rabbit head? |
| 03:35.28 | Kirkburn|Vista | *Do I put |
| 03:38.58 | phyber | yes, the first thing you see in the day should be the worst thing. then nothing else in the day will bother you. |
| 03:45.04 | zenzelezz | I wake up to my Homer Simpson poster :-o "If something's hard to do, then it's not worth doing" |
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| 03:56.33 | IBB | hay guys i got a question |
| 03:56.57 | Cairenn | hi, ask |
| 03:59.41 | Cide | http://waffle.carbonblock.net/files/be/bed82023bb3594742af875e0debf305c384591b7.jpg |
| 04:00.27 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 04:03.03 | Cairenn | IBB: hello? |
| 04:04.04 | Cide | he's gasping for air since I posted that link |
| 04:04.41 | Kirkburn|Vista | Cide, that's great :D |
| 04:04.45 | Cairenn | hehehe |
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| 04:09.58 | Kirkburn|Vista | To bed! G'night all |
| 04:10.05 | Cairenn | night Kirkburn|Vista, sweet dreams |
| 04:10.15 | Kirkburn|Vista | Thanks :) You too! |
| 04:30.03 | zenzelezz | I could strangle whoever made the Deep Sea Salvage quest |
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| 04:32.35 | Kirov | lol |
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| 04:37.34 | Warla | howdy |
| 04:37.41 | zenzelezz | heya |
| 04:37.50 | Warla | just snagged cape of trinity <3 |
| 04:37.54 | Warla | best lock cape in game :-) |
| 04:38.06 | Cairenn | congrats |
| 04:38.09 | Warla | heh thx |
| 04:38.15 | Warla | was our first Trio Kill |
| 04:38.37 | zenzelezz | nice :) |
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| 04:39.35 | Warla | yes |
| 04:39.40 | Warla | but the cape looks ugly as hell :-( |
| 04:39.51 | Warla | sigh |
| 04:39.58 | zenzelezz | usually do |
| 04:40.29 | zenzelezz | I really like my Sandstorm Cloak, but it looks too short |
| 04:41.17 | zenzelezz | on the other hand, I came across some rare mob by coincidence while questing in Arathi Highlands today, got a Dark Hooded Cape |
| 04:41.55 | zenzelezz | could've made some nice money on it, but kept it instead =) |
| 04:45.10 | IBB | sorry went back into wow |
| 04:45.14 | IBB | i got this addon |
| 04:45.34 | IBB | that has the Ctrl key has to be held down to work |
| 04:45.44 | IBB | and i want to bind it to the Shift key |
| 04:46.21 | IBB | so do i just change |
| 04:46.24 | IBB | IsControlKeyDown() |
| 04:46.37 | IBB | to IsShiftKeyDown() ? |
| 04:47.24 | Kirov | yes |
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| 05:56.11 | Kirov | |c isn't stripped from addon messages, right? |
| 05:58.13 | Cairenn|sleep | night guys |
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| 06:16.23 | Industrial | nn Cairenn|sleep |
| 06:17.10 | Industrial | zenzelezz: theres hooded capes in wow? |
| 06:17.18 | Industrial | wow needs dyes |
| 06:17.25 | Industrial | and like, expensive ones |
| 06:17.28 | Industrial | go go alchemy |
| 06:17.30 | Industrial | ebtw |
| 06:17.46 | Industrial | its a whole new market for noobies and rich ppl to spend crap on |
| 06:17.57 | zenzelezz | Industrial: look it up, it's just a name :-| |
| 06:18.20 | Industrial | boo :P |
| 06:18.25 | zenzelezz | aye |
| 06:18.49 | zenzelezz | but the cape has good stats, and looks nice |
| 06:20.00 | Industrial | http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=5257 |
| 06:20.01 | Industrial | hm nice |
| 06:23.26 | Kirov | Ok, I have the lzw lib ready, but it's not "safe" to send over chat. |
| 06:24.02 | AnduinLothar | what's stil not safe? |
| 06:24.25 | Kirov | any of it |
| 06:24.34 | AnduinLothar | mmk |
| 06:25.06 | Industrial | whats safe |
| 06:25.08 | AnduinLothar | what kinda compression % do you get with it? |
| 06:25.09 | Industrial | nothing is safe |
| 06:25.32 | Kirov | 50%-60% |
| 06:25.37 | AnduinLothar | nice |
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| 06:25.41 | Kirov | for longer strings |
| 06:25.48 | Kirov | (like around 200 characters) |
| 06:26.22 | AnduinLothar | good stuff. i may look into making it chat safe so i can use it for PartyQuests |
| 06:26.57 | Kirov | Pipes, \n and \t aren't safe, correct? |
| 06:27.02 | Kirov | \r send fine? |
| 06:27.10 | AnduinLothar | i believe so |
| 06:27.24 | Kirov | nothing else, at least for addon chat |
| 06:27.57 | Industrial | cant you send that as something else? |
| 06:28.11 | AnduinLothar | that's all Telepathy protects, but i haven't tried sending bytecode |
| 06:28.28 | Kirov | Industrial - yes, but since this is a compression lib, all the other characters might be used |
| 06:28.37 | Industrial | right' |
| 06:37.47 | ckknight | Kirov, I wrote up a list of things that are bad |
| 06:38.32 | Kirov | ckknight - url? |
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| 06:40.04 | ckknight_ | in http://www.wowace.com/wiki/AceComm-2.0_encoding_spec |
| 06:41.38 | Kirov | %t doesn't do anything over addon, so that's fine |
| 06:41.43 | Kirov | though whisper ... hmm |
| 06:44.02 | ckknight_ | AceComm-2.0 does compression through memoization |
| 06:44.21 | ckknight_ | it turns a known string into a smaller, memoized string, and then turns it back on the other side |
| 06:44.32 | ckknight_ | only works when both parties have the same memoization list |
| 06:45.08 | Kirov | this lzw lib can do something similar for better compression |
| 06:45.23 | zenzelezz | memoization? |
| 06:45.47 | ckknight_ | zenzelezz, it makes a hash of the string |
| 06:45.53 | ckknight_ | 3-byte hash, sends it across |
| 06:46.57 | ckknight_ | works well |
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| 07:42.07 | Kirochi | ping |
| 07:43.28 | Kirov | pong |
| 07:51.58 | Kirochi | Oh Hello Kate monster |
| 07:51.58 | Kirov | kate monster? |
| 07:51.59 | Kirochi | Oh come on, don't you know that song ? |
| 07:51.59 | Kirov | noop |
| 07:51.59 | Kirochi | http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/internet4porn |
| 07:51.59 | Kirochi | and there's also a WoW version |
| 07:51.59 | Kirov | ooo, that one |
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| 07:58.36 | Kirochi | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5430343841227974645 |
| 08:00.20 | cmunn | Is there an easy way to copy a table? |
| 08:00.57 | cmunn | I have two tables of players, and when I say "Table1 = Table2" then if I modify one, it modifies the other. |
| 08:01.02 | cmunn | A very newbie mistake I'm sure. |
| 08:01.16 | Kirov | http://wowi.pastey.net/1232 |
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| 08:36.03 | cmunn | Yarr? |
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| 09:43.34 | krka_ | interesting challenge of the day, make a bogosort implementation that's stable |
| 09:44.53 | zenzelezz | bogosort? |
| 09:46.33 | cmunn | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogosort |
| 09:51.44 | ckknight | nice |
| 09:54.07 | cmunn | krka_, simply expand your is_sorted(array) method to upon a comparison of two elements with equal value, check the original array to see if they are in the correct order. It would require a bit more memory (to store the original array) and a bit more time, but with the bogosort, who cares about time? |
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| 09:57.45 | krka_ | hm, that would work |
| 09:58.40 | krka_ | wouldn't take more time, complexity wise |
| 09:58.51 | cmunn | true |
| 09:58.52 | krka_ | just transform elements from X to (X, index) |
| 09:59.04 | cmunn | I'm not doing your homework am I? |
| 09:59.10 | krka_ | nope :) |
| 09:59.14 | cmunn | good |
| 09:59.17 | krka_ | i just get random ideas at times :/ |
| 10:01.18 | cmunn | I have a challenge, how can I get an extra ten people to show up for MC, so we don't have to run it with 30 people and take 5hrs? Also, why do we let this game consume so much of our lives? |
| 10:02.02 | zenzelezz | I find it funny how people think that it's wrong to spend much time on a computer game |
| 10:02.02 | cmunn | And most importantly, why did I raid for 10hrs today and why haven't I fallen asleep yet? |
| 10:02.21 | zenzelezz | everything we do is fill our lives with some sort of activity, so what if it's a game? It's still all about enjoyment |
| 10:02.50 | Mystiq | cmunn, my guild has to run MC as a pug |
| 10:02.57 | Mystiq | since we cant generate any interest in the place anymore |
| 10:03.24 | zenzelezz | you do higher instances now? |
| 10:03.27 | cmunn | We're stuck at Vael, in both my guilds |
| 10:03.31 | Mystiq | starting naxx tomorrow |
| 10:03.56 | Mystiq | im after mods to help make point-keeping less of a headache |
| 10:04.14 | cmunn | point-keeping? |
| 10:04.14 | Mystiq | i think i can reduce one of our point systems down to a grand total of 30 seconds of upkeep once i finish this other mod |
| 10:04.32 | cmunn | DKP? |
| 10:04.34 | Mystiq | ya |
| 10:04.51 | cmunn | ahh |
| 10:05.15 | Mystiq | im a code whore, we have 2 point systems, one for 40-mans, one for "offnight raids" in which the public is welcome |
| 10:05.27 | cmunn | ahh |
| 10:05.29 | Mystiq | the offnight system used to be done by hand, but now: exeunt.org/mystiq/offday |
| 10:05.49 | Mystiq | lazy: http://www.exeunt.org/mystiq/offday |
| 10:06.14 | cmunn | have you used eqdkp before? |
| 10:06.18 | Mystiq | yes |
| 10:06.28 | Mystiq | it makes baby jesus cry |
| 10:06.28 | zenzelezz | I have no clue how my guild's raid leaders do their stuff... we use a separate DKP for each instance O_o |
| 10:06.51 | Mystiq | zenzelezz, your guild leaders are mad |
| 10:07.08 | zenzelezz | not sure I'd call them mad, but I find it a weird idea |
| 10:08.16 | Mystiq | dkp systems should be unobstrusive as possible, else its just too much damn work |
| 10:09.19 | Mystiq | but ive learned how to bend PHP to my will to make it all better |
| 10:09.25 | cmunn | I use the CT_RaidTracker mod with eqdkp and I find it very quick and almost effortless once you get used to it. Our EQDKP site is updated after every boss kill. It takes me about 30sec to post the raid after the loot is distributed. |
| 10:09.46 | Mystiq | eqdkp assumes you're using the right system |
| 10:10.07 | Mystiq | our dkp system gives you certain dkp per hour, ive no real idea what eqdkp wants |
| 10:10.18 | cmunn | eqdkp doesn't actually assume anything <3 It just allows you to add and subtract points |
| 10:10.53 | Mystiq | takes me 30 minutes of processing a raid before i can enter it into eqdkp |
| 10:11.04 | cmunn | crazy |
| 10:11.22 | Mystiq | but this same mod i intend to write will prolly reduce that to a few mins |
| 10:11.34 | cmunn | Hrm, good stuff |
| 10:11.43 | cmunn | Well, it's time I fall asleep. |
| 10:11.46 | cmunn | Night |
| 10:11.55 | Mystiq | i dont touch the 40-man point system, i manage the offnight system single handedly |
| 10:12.12 | Mystiq | same |
| 10:12.20 | Mystiq | i gotta get up at 2 for our MC raid lol |
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| 12:10.38 | Crispix | ello everyone |
| 12:10.43 | JoshBork1 | morning |
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| 12:15.15 | JoshBorke | morning krka |
| 12:15.39 | krka | morning |
| 12:15.48 | krka | fed up with my broken debian, installing ubuntu! |
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| 12:24.23 | krka | formatted my root partition and installing ubuntu now... no turning back now! |
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| 12:25.22 | JoshBork1 | indeed! |
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| 12:29.43 | JoshBork1 | ,n |
| 12:29.45 | JoshBork1 | wb |
| 12:30.35 | krka | thanks, now rebooted with ubuntu :) |
| 12:34.25 | JoshBork1 | :-) |
| 12:44.47 | Kaelten | gmorning :) |
| 12:45.34 | JoshBork1 | morning |
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| 13:43.31 | Canislupus | what mods do a a lot of OnBagUpdate calls? |
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| 13:43.55 | ComicSansMS | greetings everyone! |
| 13:44.17 | zenzelezz | heya |
| 13:44.30 | Canislupus | hi SanSerif |
| 13:45.51 | ComicSansMS | comicsans indeed has no serifs... |
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| 13:47.47 | zenzelezz | hm, I don't like when something sells 10 minutes after I put it on the AH... always wonder if I've just made a blunder then |
| 13:47.58 | Canislupus | lol |
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| 15:27.07 | FISKER_Q | i don't like when auctioneer puts 25 twilight texts up for 25s bo :/ |
| 15:27.17 | FISKER_Q | wasn't even sold right away |
| 15:28.04 | Kirkburn|Vista | rofl, South Park is having a World of Warcraft episode! |
| 15:28.16 | FISKER_Q | yeah |
| 15:28.47 | Kirkburn|Vista | :D |
| 15:31.00 | paulharman | heh really? |
| 15:31.10 | Kirkburn|Vista | Check the WoW.com front page :) |
| 15:32.34 | paulharman | nice :) |
| 15:45.26 | Rallion | Heh, I realize that it's definitely a pretty big media thing, but it's awesome that they put it up there. |
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| 16:04.56 | JoshBorke | hola |
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| 16:08.50 | JoshBorke | what is HotCandy? |
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| 16:08.52 | JoshBorke | mt |
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| 16:23.39 | Kirkburn|Vista | JoshBorke, that was one of the more ... interesting ... MTs :P |
| 16:23.57 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 16:26.33 | Cairenn | interesting read: http://terranova.blogs.com/terra_nova/2006/10/trust_contingen.html |
| 16:27.53 | JoshBorke | 2 |
| 16:28.46 | JoshBorke | dangit! |
| 16:28.51 | Cairenn | heh |
| 16:29.03 | JoshBorke | still working on this whole one window thing |
| 16:29.08 | Cairenn | I know what that was, it was the same mt as your first one |
| 16:29.22 | JoshBorke | ;-) |
| 16:29.46 | Cairenn | god, I couldn't stand having everything in a single window, I'm waaaaay too busy for that |
| 16:29.47 | Crispix | yay! I'm a new rank ! |
| 16:29.57 | Crispix | I'm now an Aku'mai servant. o.O |
| 16:29.59 | JoshBorke | grats! |
| 16:30.06 | JoshBorke | o.O |
| 16:30.06 | Tuller | hurray for tabs :) |
| 16:30.15 | Cairenn | Tuller: *nod*!!! |
| 16:30.22 | Crispix | lmao |
| 16:30.28 | JoshBorke | if i can just remember to look at where i'm typing i'll be good |
| 16:30.28 | Crispix | anyone wanna see something funny? |
| 16:31.42 | Crispix | look up "Aku'mai servant." in google. |
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| 16:31.48 | Crispix | google image search |
| 16:32.00 | Cairenn | speaking of funny, you guys know that napster has a new nasptergirl video out? |
| 16:32.09 | slouken | mmm? |
| 16:32.10 | JoshBorke | is she nekkid? |
| 16:32.13 | Cairenn | napster* |
| 16:32.15 | JoshBorke | o.O slouken is here? |
| 16:32.21 | slouken | Hi Josh. :) |
| 16:32.26 | Cairenn | JoshBorke: why the surprise? not the first time |
| 16:32.32 | slouken | Cairenn, do tell? |
| 16:32.38 | Cairenn | http://www.napstergirl.com/ |
| 16:32.47 | JoshBorke | Cairenn: because he's hardly ever in here when i am :-) and hardly ever just idling, so long as i can remember |
| 16:33.10 | JoshBorke | installing updates is a PITA |
| 16:34.32 | slouken | lol, nice |
| 16:34.33 | JoshBorke | as i was saying... |
| 16:34.36 | JoshBorke | Cairenn: is she nekkid? |
| 16:34.46 | Cairenn | it's a stripper ... |
| 16:34.51 | slouken | she's not nekkid |
| 16:34.55 | slouken | but it's cute. :) |
| 16:35.25 | slouken | they don't mention it's illegal though. :) |
| 16:35.28 | slouken | I wonder why? |
| 16:35.55 | JoshBorke | that's cute :-) |
| 16:36.14 | slouken | See you guys later! |
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| 16:36.23 | JoshBorke | see! that's what i'm talking about! |
| 16:36.29 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 16:36.30 | Cairenn | rofl, there goes the pirate |
| 16:40.02 | Cairenn | well, you do have to admit, it is rather quiet and dull in here at the moment, strippers not withstanding |
| 16:40.07 | JoshBorke | indeed |
| 16:40.17 | JoshBorke | so Cairenn, what are you going to do with TBC comes out? |
| 16:40.25 | Cairenn | play it? |
| 16:40.33 | JoshBorke | gonna start a new character? |
| 16:40.46 | Cairenn | oh most likely, sooner or later |
| 16:40.57 | Cairenn | not necessarily in that first week or so though ;) |
| 16:41.08 | Cairenn | you? |
| 16:41.09 | JoshBorke | i'm thinking of going with a BE paladin, to match my Human paladin :-) |
| 16:41.17 | JoshBorke | but first i'm gonna get my priest to 70 i think |
| 16:41.36 | JoshBorke | i need to figure out a way i can get my fiancee to play |
| 16:41.53 | JoshBorke | without shelling out big bucks on a new computer... |
| 16:46.03 | Cairenn | *nod* |
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| 16:53.32 | JoshBorke | ah ha! missed nothing i see... |
| 16:53.55 | Cairenn | hmmm? |
| 16:54.16 | JoshBorke | just you nodding :-) |
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| 17:03.35 | Cairenn | Crispix |
| 17:05.16 | Crispix_ | yes? |
| 17:05.32 | Cairenn | *points at the number of screenshots in the public forum* |
| 17:05.45 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 17:05.49 | Crispix_ | well.. I should be a it more clear |
| 17:05.57 | Crispix_ | I wanna post my UI on the official WoW forums |
| 17:06.02 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 17:06.20 | Cairenn | as you say, might want to make your post a bit more clear :) |
| 17:06.26 | Cairenn | heh |
| 17:06.50 | Crispix_ | There.. fixed |
| 17:06.56 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 17:07.26 | Crispix_ | there |
| 17:07.31 | Crispix_ | post is fixed .. even more. |
| 17:08.00 | Cairenn | heheheh |
| 17:08.22 | Cairenn | ROFL |
| 17:08.26 | Crispix_ | :D |
| 17:08.32 | Cairenn | I don't know that the last part was necessary, but hey |
| 17:08.34 | Cairenn | lol |
| 17:09.00 | JoshBorke | o.O what'd i miss? |
| 17:09.12 | Crispix_ | A lot.. as usual :p |
| 17:09.16 | Cairenn | nothing you can see anyway Josh, so don't sweat it |
| 17:09.22 | JoshBorke | mmk |
| 17:09.26 | Crispix_ | lol |
| 17:09.34 | Crispix_ | but but... |
| 17:09.39 | Crispix_ | I wanted to see Josh sweat. |
| 17:09.54 | Cairenn | I was just teasing Crispix about his post in the hidden mazzle beta forum, so he decided to tease back |
| 17:11.48 | JoshBorke | that's what i was suspecting |
| 17:11.57 | JoshBorke | he was one of those people that got invited to the beta |
| 17:12.32 | Cairenn | JoshBorke: aye, he did |
| 17:12.32 | JoshBorke | but, but, i'm talking to cairenn... |
| 17:12.44 | Crispix_ | This is a good point Josh. |
| 17:12.46 | Cairenn | JoshBorke: did you hear something just now? |
| 17:12.57 | JoshBorke | just crickets |
| 17:13.02 | Cairenn | ahhh |
| 17:13.08 | Cairenn | is that what it was? okay then |
| 17:13.16 | Cairenn | ! |
| 17:13.28 | Crispix_ | sorry.. getting too into my rogue |
| 17:13.30 | Crispix_ | lol |
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| 17:13.35 | Cairenn | well, no more beta for you boyo |
| 17:13.39 | Crispix_ | :O |
| 17:13.41 | Crispix_ | nooo |
| 17:14.01 | Cairenn | since a) I can easily enough remove your access from the forum and b) if I'm dead, no more forum to begin with :p |
| 17:14.12 | Crispix_ | lol |
| 17:14.35 | Cairenn | actually, that's not true, the site would continue on just fine without me |
| 17:14.40 | |FF|Im2good4u | o0 |
| 17:14.43 | Crispix_ | no it wouldn't |
| 17:14.48 | JoshBorke | that's not true at all Cairenn |
| 17:14.58 | Crispix_ | we all love you too much... at least.. I know I speak for myself.. *innocent grin and blush.* |
| 17:15.05 | JoshBorke | it would fall to pieces with all the un-updated mods |
| 17:15.28 | Cairenn | I'm not the only admin nor the only moderator on the site guys :p |
| 17:15.40 | Crispix_ | only the most active mod.. |
| 17:16.00 | Crispix_ | I just wish groups forums would coem up on the forum list |
| 17:16.11 | JoshBorke | *whisper* don't tell anyone else this, but you're the best Cairenn *whisper* |
| 17:16.33 | Crispix_ | Cairenn is the only mod w/boobs. Therefore She wins by default Josh. |
| 17:16.38 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 17:17.17 | Cairenn | lol |
| 17:17.40 | Crispix_ | Cairenn you know that the invite into mazz's ui was the one thing that drew me back into the site? |
| 17:17.44 | Cairenn | ya know, I'm not sure that's such a glowing recommendation ... the only thing I have going for me is my boobs? |
| 17:18.00 | Crispix_ | I'd been lurking for a while.. lol |
| 17:18.13 | Cide | Cairenn: well, you can cook I hope......... |
| 17:18.27 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 17:18.30 | JoshBorke | and clean! |
| 17:18.34 | Cairenn | Cide: *picks up the yellow pages and the phone* |
| 17:18.50 | Cide | I quote from a hilarious post on the general forums |
| 17:18.58 | Cide | "ook, I just need someone to cook me my dinner, bring me my beer and mend my undies. if you can't do all three of those things, you are not a woman...you are worthless" |
| 17:19.09 | Cairenn | o.O |
| 17:19.47 | Cide | ;) it was a quite stupid topic though |
| 17:19.56 | Cairenn | heh |
| 17:34.17 | JoshBorke | blah, that sucks. divine shield can be dispelled in the expansion :-( |
| 17:39.12 | Plorkyeran | They reverted that |
| 17:40.03 | JoshBorke | they did? that's good |
| 17:40.22 | Plorkyeran | About a day after they announced it |
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| 17:42.39 | Cairenn | hey MoonWolf |
| 17:42.48 | MoonWolf | hello Cairenn |
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| 18:10.22 | Cairenn | morning hyperChipmunk |
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| 18:13.30 | Cairenn | morning Esamynn |
| 18:15.31 | Esamynn | morning |
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| 18:18.04 | mjc | boo |
| 18:18.16 | Cairenn | eek |
| 18:19.35 | mjc | eheh |
| 18:22.13 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 18:22.55 | |FF|Im2good4u | *yawm* |
| 18:23.01 | Cairenn | morning |ff |
| 18:23.08 | Cairenn | |FF|Im2good4u * |
| 18:23.20 | |FF|Im2good4u | actualy is evening here :P |
| 18:23.27 | |FF|Im2good4u | but marning Cairenn |
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| 18:30.35 | krka | current interface number? |
| 18:31.17 | Cairenn | 11200 |
| 18:31.30 | Cairenn | I do believe |
| 18:31.37 | krka | thanks |
| 18:32.05 | Cairenn | yup, 11200 |
| 18:34.43 | krka | someone remind me, is SavedVariables loaded and available before any lua code is run? |
| 18:35.40 | Cide | "VARIABLES_LOADED" or "ADDON_LOADED" |
| 18:35.56 | krka | ah, i see |
| 18:36.06 | krka | i need to check for both of those? |
| 18:36.11 | Cide | no, either |
| 18:36.23 | krka | hmm... but if my addon is loaded after variables_loaded? |
| 18:36.23 | Cide | arg1 == "YourAddonName" for ADDON_LOADED |
| 18:36.30 | Cide | use ADDON_LOADED ) |
| 18:36.31 | Cide | ;) |
| 18:36.38 | Cide | and check arg1 |
| 18:37.01 | krka | yeah, i'll use that one |
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| 18:41.20 | cmunn | Nothing starts the day out right like listening to a tired Raid Leader whine to a poor Onyxia raid. |
| 18:49.44 | zenzelezz | more dots |
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| 19:00.56 | ckknight | hey all |
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| 20:07.35 | Kirkburn | FPS games need auto-run buttons :( |
| 20:09.34 | Tuller | and it needs to be the key r? |
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| 20:46.11 | zenzelezz | talk about nice BWL for me... I feel like a ninja today |
| 20:47.40 | zenzelezz | Wrath shoulders, Elementium Threaded Cloak, Draconic Avenger |
| 20:48.39 | AnduinLothar | grats |
| 20:48.47 | AnduinLothar | i'm hoping another asscandy drops for me |
| 20:49.24 | zenzelezz | :) |
| 20:50.05 | Kirkburn | Mr friend's brother accidentely ninja'd Broodlord Lashslayers head last time :P |
| 20:50.20 | zenzelezz | ouch |
| 20:51.12 | Kirkburn | Fortunately, no-one *really* wanted it, but he was pretty embarrassed :P |
| 20:52.24 | nevcairiel | we had lots of people "ninja" it .. because they thought it was for everyone, or something like that all the time |
| 20:52.38 | Aenslaed | whats the macro command to deselect your target |
| 20:53.01 | zenzelezz | nevcairiel: the tooltip saying "consequently only ONE may loot the head" didn't tip them off? :) |
| 20:53.37 | nevcairiel | they cannot read, or think, or be reasonable |
| 20:53.58 | zenzelezz | that does sound like most raids |
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| 21:44.17 | abug | anyone understand varargs in lua 5.1? |
| 21:51.08 | Cairenn | mmmmm |
| 21:51.16 | Cairenn | yay for big honking hunks of meat |
| 21:51.24 | abug | o.0 |
| 21:51.44 | Cairenn | beef in peppercorn sauce |
| 21:51.48 | Cairenn | supper |
| 21:51.51 | abug | ohhhh, that kind of meat |
| 21:51.51 | Cairenn | you know, food? |
| 21:52.29 | abug | my head was in the gutter |
| 21:53.29 | abug | varargs: http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#2.5.9 |
| 21:54.11 | Cairenn | I noticed |
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| 21:57.05 | Tuller | so you mean function(...)? |
| 21:57.51 | abug | yeah that extra thing you can add to the end of the parameter list |
| 21:58.21 | abug | does that mean you reference ... as a list inside the function to get the extra arguments? |
| 21:58.31 | krka | yes |
| 21:58.37 | abug | seems kinda weird |
| 21:58.41 | krka | it is |
| 21:58.42 | Tuller | arg[1], arg[2], arg[3], etc? |
| 21:58.56 | krka | local a1, a2, a3 = ... works |
| 21:59.02 | krka | and arg = {...} works |
| 21:59.11 | krka | also we have a cool new function: |
| 21:59.20 | krka | select("#", ...) -> number of params |
| 21:59.43 | krka | select(4, ...) -> everything in ... from the 4th and forward |
| 22:00.10 | krka | if ... = 5, 7, 9, 13, 51, then select(4, ...) is 13, 51 |
| 22:00.23 | abug | oh cool |
| 22:00.48 | krka | still kinda hackish, but atleast better than in 5.0 with extra table created |
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| 22:10.26 | JoshBorke | hola |
| 22:10.55 | Cairenn | hi JoshBorke |
| 22:11.13 | JoshBorke | anything exciting happen? |
| 22:11.41 | Cairenn | well, I talked about my supper and abug threw his mind in the gutter |
| 22:12.02 | Cairenn | that count? |
| 22:13.10 | abug | It was a glorious 5 seconds |
| 22:13.16 | JoshBorke | mmm, anything involving you counts Cairenn ;-) |
| 22:13.18 | Cairenn | (in other words, no) |
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| 22:14.00 | Cairenn | just remember the old proverb: "be careful what you wish for, you may just get it" |
| 22:14.35 | Cairenn | ranks right up there with "may you live in interesting times" |
| 22:15.28 | abug | we did talk about two new things coming in the expansion though |
| 22:16.18 | JoshBorke | meh, i'll see 'em when the expansion comes :-D |
| 22:16.36 | Cairenn | abug: we did? |
| 22:16.46 | abug | well not you, but some of us |
| 22:17.06 | Cairenn | something publicly announced, I trust ... |
| 22:17.15 | abug | yeah about lua 5.1 |
| 22:17.30 | Cairenn | okay |
| 22:18.10 | abug | select(#, ...) and ... |
| 22:18.35 | Tuller | ... exists now, it just becomes sexier |
| 22:18.46 | abug | oh it does? |
| 22:19.19 | Cairenn | *nod* it does |
| 22:20.42 | abug | mm good stuff, I should read that document more |
| 22:21.33 | JoshBorke | clad|away: i'd be willing to set up a svn mirror if i got some hand-holding |
| 22:21.41 | JoshBorke | *sigh* clad got it anyway |
| 22:23.00 | clad|away | hrm? |
| 22:23.13 | JoshBorke | still getting used to irssi |
| 22:23.31 | JoshBorke | if you still need more svn mirrors |
| 22:38.40 | cmunn | Yay! Guild first. Vael is down! |
| 22:38.47 | Cairenn | congrats |
| 22:39.14 | clad|away | Grats! |
| 22:40.00 | AnduinLothar | firey death |
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| 22:42.39 | nevcairiel | vael is a real bitch. he still manages to wipe us now and then. |
| 22:47.24 | JoshBorke | cmunn: grats! |
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| 22:48.56 | warla | heya |
| 22:48.59 | warla | quick question |
| 22:49.14 | warla | table.insert(tradeskillsbase, "Verhüttung"); <-- why does that ü not work? |
| 22:49.37 | nevcairiel | did you save your file in utf8? |
| 22:49.45 | warla | when i pring out in chat whats in the string it sais Verhtung |
| 22:49.45 | Thrae | warla: Try escapping the u |
| 22:50.01 | warla | how do i escape the ü? |
| 22:50.03 | MentalPower | make sure your file is UTF-8 encoded |
| 22:50.18 | nevcairiel | you either need to save the file in utf8, or escape it, escaping is the better way tho. |
| 22:50.23 | warla | does wordpad or notepad accept saving in UTF8? |
| 22:50.27 | warla | k |
| 22:50.29 | MentalPower | I beg to differ |
| 22:50.30 | Thrae | warla: http://membres.lycos.fr/darktemplars/accentConverter.php\ |
| 22:50.31 | warla | how do you escape it? |
| 22:50.33 | Thrae | warla: http://membres.lycos.fr/darktemplars/accentConverter.php |
| 22:50.38 | MentalPower | escaping uses more space |
| 22:50.51 | MentalPower | and WoW fully supports UTF-8 |
| 22:50.53 | nevcairiel | space *shrug* |
| 22:51.11 | MentalPower | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:51.12 | warla | k |
| 22:51.13 | nevcairiel | but its editor-save |
| 22:51.17 | warla | \195\188 |
| 22:51.21 | Thrae | MentalPower: It only uses up space in the file, not in bytecode |
| 22:51.40 | MentalPower | I know, space in the file, and its also harder to human-read |
| 22:52.37 | Thrae | Just put http://membres.lycos.fr/darktemplars/accentConverter.php at the top of the file so people know where to go to translate |
| 22:52.37 | warla | yay |
| 22:52.40 | warla | works perfectly with \195\188 |
| 22:52.46 | nevcairiel | sure it does :) |
| 22:52.53 | warla | thanks a ton |
| 22:53.03 | warla | i'm trying to translate my addon + webpage for german |
| 22:53.10 | warla | so it works with english and german uploads |
| 22:53.23 | warla | german has a crapload ü ö ä and stuff hehe |
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