irclog2html for #wowi-lounge on 20060927

`00:01.39`	`cmunn`	`Does anyone know the name of the Party Frame?`
`00:02.38`	`cmunn`	`Odd, it's working now.`
`00:04.31`	`kaso\|`	`800g down the drain, i hope i can ride my Raptor Tommorrow`
`00:06.16`	`Tain`	`I think that often. Although usually it about the ride I spent too much money on the night before.`
`00:06.50`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge ckknight (n=ckknight@198.199.136.119)`
`00:07.15`	`jaxdahl`	`hmm`
`00:07.17`	`jaxdahl`	`can't download this`
`00:07.18`	`jaxdahl`	`http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/wow/addons-4740-rabuffs.html`
`00:07.28`	`ckknight`	`hey all`
`00:07.57`	`Cairenn`	`evening ckknight`
`00:18.14`	`kaso\|`	`so what's StaticPopupDialogs["ABANDON_QUEST_WITH_ITEMS"] ?`
`00:18.38`	`kaso\|`	`attuually duh i can look it up in globalstrings cant i`
`00:18.41`	`kaso\|`	`./noob`
`00:19.07`	`zenzelezz`	`didn't someone speak of abandoning a quest and that is deleted all the quest items for it a little earlier?`
`00:19.30`	`zenzelezz`	`*that is automatically deleted`
`00:19.59`	`zenzelezz`	`*that it o_O`
`00:20.02`	`kaso\|`	`why have they added that then`
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`00:25.28`	`ckknight`	`basically, if you have a quest with items, and abandon the quest, you lose the items you picked up`
`00:25.30`	`ckknight`	`makes sense, actually`
`00:28.09`	`zenzelezz`	`depends whether there's a confirmation dialog/whether the standard abandon quest dialog will say that it will delete the items`
`00:28.46`	`zenzelezz`	`I'd be rather pissed if I abandoned the Seal of Ascension or Breastplate of the Chromatic Flight for example to make room for other quests, only to have to gather all the crap again`
`00:29.18`	`kaso\|`	`it doesnt delete those does it? i thought it meant items the quest gave you when you took it`
`00:29.52`	`zenzelezz`	`I don't know, I only heard someone mention it briefly`
`00:30.43`	`kaso\|`	`is there a quicker way to see if i'm mounted other than checking buffs?`
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`00:40.19`	`Gngsk`	`kaso\|, UnitIsMounted("player")`
`00:41.10`	`kaso\|`	`that exists?`
`00:41.27`	`Kirov`	`kaso\| - as a mod`
`00:41.47`	`Gngsk`	`hrmm?`
`00:42.27`	`Kirov`	`http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/wow/addons-2667-1-ismounted.html`
`00:42.33`	`Kirov`	`It's not part of WoW's api`
`00:42.52`	`Plorkyeran`	`The lack of a confirmation was because I've been using UberQuest for so long I forgot it was an addon`
`00:42.53`	`cladhaire`	`alternatively: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4334`
`00:42.55`	`cladhaire`	`=)`
`00:43.15`	`Plorkyeran`	`If you're using the default combat log it'll tell you what items it'll destory`
`00:43.20`	`Plorkyeran`	`*destroy`
`00:43.29`	`kaso\|`	`hmm they seem to be doing tooltip scanning so i might as well do that then`
`00:43.42`	`jaxdahl`	`anyone getting ported out of naxx for strange reasons?`
`00:44.04`	`Plorkyeran`	`If you log out in a raid instance, you'll get ported to your HS when you log in`
`00:44.13`	`kaso\|`	`thats rather stupid`
`00:44.18`	`Plorkyeran`	`Including getting disconnected :/`
`00:44.30`	`Kirov`	`jaxdahl - I haven't been able to get in to naxx for 3 months`
`00:44.53`	`kaso\|`	`wow if you get ported on DC i know some people in my guild who wont be able to raid anymore ;,`
`00:44.55`	`kaso\|`	`:<`
`00:49.28`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Osagasu (n=Kronus@208.104.133.240)`
`00:51.58`	`Osagasu`	`I don't suppose anyone knows of an addon that just removes the aura/stealth bar? The one on my rogue is starting to drive me nuts.`
`00:56.52`	`zenzelezz`	`worthless double-sided DVDs`
`00:57.32`	`AnduinLothar`	`drag it off screen`
`00:58.13`	`AnduinLothar`	`zomg clad's linking my links... must... resist.. urge.. to screenshot`
`00:58.42`	`AnduinLothar`	`oh ok, he jsut cross linked wowi's`
`00:58.51`	`AnduinLothar`	`that's acceptable then`
`00:59.54`	`Osagasu`	`I don't have any anchors addon on. It breaks a number of addons that rely on frame positions that I use.`
`01:00.16`	`zenzelezz`	`I wonder how much they saved by recording on double-sided DVDs instead of using two extra DVDs >:-\|`
`01:02.30`	`Osagasu`	`In any case Anduin, that's pushing a nuke to kill an anthill.`
`01:02.59`	`AnduinLothar`	`i just figured if you had an addon to reposistion it'd be easy to do`
`01:03.37`	`Osagasu`	`I don't use an addon to reposition anything. o.O`
`01:03.53`	`AnduinLothar`	`then why are you trying to remove the shapeshift? got a replacement?`
`01:04.06`	`Osagasu`	`Because I just want the button to go on my action bar.`
`01:04.14`	`AnduinLothar`	`ic`
`01:04.21`	`AnduinLothar`	`write one :)`
`01:04.35`	`Osagasu`	`I'm looking into that now. I just don't know what the frame is called.`
`01:04.50`	`AnduinLothar`	`ShapeshiftBar`
`01:04.55`	`AnduinLothar`	`unless you're a warrior`
`01:05.04`	`AnduinLothar`	`then it's BonusActionBar`
`01:06.24`	`Osagasu`	`All the ones that add an extra bar but rogue I'll just turn off the bottom left action bar, but with Rogue, it's only one button so it seems like a waste.`
`01:06.53`	`Osagasu`	`And that drives me nuts.`
`01:07.30`	`Osagasu`	`...I might be a little anal retentive and obsessive compulsive about it, yes. '>>`
`01:07.33`	`AnduinLothar`	`and the code repositions everythign above it too, whee`
`01:08.52`	`Osagasu`	`Except for my chat windows. Which I like where they are because any higer and they run into my Damage Meters and Lore Frame, and above that is my party frame...`
`01:09.00`	`Osagasu`	`**higher`
`01:10.05`	`Osagasu`	`. . .There's a hidden tic tac toe frame in framexml? o.O`
`01:10.57`	`Plorkyeran`	`The stealth button is ShapeshiftButton1`
`01:13.33`	`Osagasu`	`Is it it's own frame?`
`01:14.04`	`Plorkyeran`	`It's a child of ShapeshiftBar`
`01:14.54`	`Osagasu`	`So if I called Frame:GetChildren for shapeshiftbar on my rogue, It'd return the button?`
`01:15.34`	`Plorkyeran`	`It should`
`01:16.02`	`Osagasu`	`So... basically, ShapeshiftBar:Hide() Is all I should need?`
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`01:17.10`	`Osagasu`	`I miss the good olf days, where Visual Basic 6 was all I needed to do anything. sob`
`01:17.20`	`Plorkyeran`	`ShapeshiftBar:UnregisterAllEvents() before PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD should make it die fairly cleanly`
`01:19.07`	`Osagasu`	`ShapeshiftButton1:Hide worked, ShapeshiftBar:Hide didn't.`
`01:19.40`	`Plorkyeran`	`err, it's ShapeshiftBarFrame`
`01:19.50`	`AnduinLothar`	`or ShapeshiftBar.Show = function(self) end`
`01:20.00`	`AnduinLothar`	`ShapeshiftBarFrame.Show = function(self) end`
`01:20.38`	`Osagasu`	`Alright, thanks.`
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`01:31.31`	`Osagasu`	`Perfect.`
`01:32.13`	`Osagasu`	`an addon in a neat little package. one line, no XML, no fuss.`
`01:32.39`	`Osagasu`	`and one slightly less disturbed Osagasu.`
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`02:05.55`	`warla`	`i need lua help`
`02:05.59`	`warla`	`can i bug someone? ^^`
`02:07.52`	`Xuerian`	`Feel free. Can't guarantee you'll actually get any help XD`
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`02:27.17`	`Osagasu`	`o.o`
`02:27.32`	`Osagasu`	`I just realized you could click and drag to change the width of Fubar.`
`02:27.39`	`Xuerian`	`lol.`
`02:27.56`	`Xuerian`	`If only you could set it's transparency and texture per bar`
`02:28.12`	`Osagasu`	`I went through and deleted all my settings cause I accidentally dragged it one day apparently and couldn't get it to work right.`
`02:28.38`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Guillotine (n=Guilloti@ns.motek-services.com)`
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`02:30.20`	`Guillotine`	`anyone else heard that Blizz put a guild event calendar into TBC?`
`02:30.28`	`Osagasu`	`Nope.`
`02:30.50`	`Guillotine`	`(they didn't really. I'm just trying to spread the rumor to give them the idea. post it anywhere and everywhere)`
`02:37.39`	`zenzelezz`	`for crying out loud... out of five double-sided DVDs so far, three of the ten sides have refused to work`
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`02:45.42`	`Plorkyeran`	`If we start enough rumors about it they'll add it?`
`02:49.52`	`Guillotine`	`thats the hope`
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`02:52.27`	`MentalPower`	`How do I comment in HTML?`
`02:53.07`	`Guillotine`	`<!-- Like this for one line -->`
`02:53.24`	`Guillotine`	`don't remember multiple lines :/ sry. Could be the same thing`
`02:53.31`	`zenzelezz`	`it is`
`02:54.51`	`MentalPower`	`many thanks`
`02:55.41`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`Yup, browsers should ignore anything after a <!-- until it sees a --> anywhere in the code`
`02:56.08`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`(unless it's a conditional statement ;)`
`02:59.55`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`Can anyone give me a link to the 1.12.1 patch notes, please :)`
`03:01.06`	`Tain`	`http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/patchnotes/`
`03:02.22`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Seracht (i=Seracht@CPE00159a838ed7-CM00159a0250a2.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com)`
`03:02.23`	`Seracht`	`hey`
`03:02.24`	`Seracht`	`quick question`
`03:02.33`	`Seracht`	`what mod removes the chat buttons (the ones on the side of chat frames)`
`03:02.49`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`Ts`
`03:02.55`	`Tain`	`There are a number of mods that can do that.`
`03:02.56`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`Thanks, even`
`03:03.05`	`Seracht`	`tain anything you can recommend`
`03:03.11`	`Seracht`	`that is not memory intensive`
`03:05.02`	`Guillotine`	`I use Cirk's Chat Manager. It's relatively less memory intensive, unobtrusive, and EXTREMELY useful if you're using any custom channels. http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4535`
`03:05.23`	`Seracht`	`thanks`
`03:06.39`	`Seracht`	`last question`
`03:06.42`	`Seracht`	`any good unit frame mods`
`03:06.47`	`Seracht`	`I want to use ag_unitframes`
`03:06.49`	`Seracht`	`but they are in beta :s`
`03:07.07`	`Seracht`	`don't know how complete they are I guess`
`03:07.08`	`Tain`	`aguf is very, very much usable and stable.`
`03:08.13`	`Seracht`	`hmm ok`
`03:08.17`	`Seracht`	`:)`
`03:08.18`	`Seracht`	`alright`
`03:08.22`	`Seracht`	`thanks again`
`03:08.46`	`Seracht`	`oh wowinterface does not have a category for damagemeters`
`03:08.51`	`Seracht`	`is it under something else?`
`03:11.05`	`Kirov`	`Is there any offical post about the returning people who disconnect to their hearth location?`
`03:12.31`	`Plorkyeran`	`Not yet`
`03:14.11`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`Whee, 1.12.1 patch notes and mount change notes up on the wiki :) Only a few hours late :P http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_1.12.1_%28Release_Notes%29`
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`03:14.30`	`cladhaire`	`heh`
`03:16.09`	`Seracht`	`cya guys`
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`03:30.08`	`gnorlish`	`skitterer pack in faerlina's room = ouch`
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`03:37.35`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`Anyone know what a 'Glide' is?`
`03:38.08`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`It appears to be something to do with playing money for people to help you in WoW`
`03:38.31`	`Plorkyeran`	`It's a very good bot for wow`
`03:39.35`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`Right, well that site is being removed then :/`
`03:39.59`	`cladhaire`	`lol`
`03:42.22`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`Wow, it's incredible - this site is actually readable now :O http://www.wowraiding.com/`
`03:44.48`	`Guillotine`	`does anybody remember the Ace channel? or happen to know why the wowace website is returning ads?`
`03:45.18`	`Cairenn`	`http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6311`
`03:45.42`	`Cairenn`	`and the channel is #wowace, iirc`
`03:46.03`	`Guillotine`	`alright :)`
`03:46.04`	`Guillotine`	`ty`
`03:46.44`	`Cairenn`	`you're welcome`
`03:50.08`	`warla`	`!!!!!!!!!! BIG UPDATE !!!!!!`
`03:50.08`	`warla`	`I fixed the 2 of the error messages that could sometimes occur. download the newest version of the mod:`
`03:50.09`	`warla`	`http://www.wowledgebase.com/wowprofiles.html`
`03:50.16`	`warla`	`^^`
`03:51.11`	`Cairenn`	`lame Guillotine, I had that as the channel topic a while back, at least tell it right :p`
`03:51.45`	`Guillotine`	`lol. I'm not very good at jokes ><`
`03:52.04`	`Cairenn`	`is okay, was just giving you a rough time ;)`
`03:52.10`	`Guillotine`	`I know :)`
`03:53.11`	`Cairenn`	`sorry, shouldn't have rained on your joke, mea culpa`
`03:53.35`	`Osagasu`	`[23:37] <Kirkburn\|Vista> Anyone know what a 'Glide' is? <--- Glide is a for-pay botting program for WoW.`
`03:53.59`	`Osagasu`	`Oh, Plorkyeran answered.`
`03:55.06`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`Osagasu, thanks anyway. Removed the offending site`
`03:55.27`	`Cairenn`	`night sedatedChipmunk`
`03:55.33`	`Guillotine`	`The question is... how do Plorkyeran and Osagasu know that?`
`03:56.52`	`Cairenn`	`night cladhaire, sweet dreams`
`03:56.59`	`cladhaire`	`night =)`
`03:57.03`	`clad\|sleep`	`psychic :P`
`03:57.21`	`Cairenn`	`no, just saw you say g'night in the other channel`
`03:57.43`	`clad\|sleep`	`i know`
`03:57.45`	`clad\|sleep`	`just teasing`
`03:57.46`	`clad\|sleep`	`night all`
`04:02.49`	`AnduinLothar`	`is there a good highlight texture for UIPanelButtonTemplate?`
`04:02.52`	`AnduinLothar`	`night clad`
`04:03.24`	`AnduinLothar`	`doh nm`
`04:03.25`	`AnduinLothar`	`UI-Panel-Button-Highlight`
`04:03.29`	`AnduinLothar`	`duh`
`04:03.44`	`Guillotine`	`whoops. I thought since it's a sticky, I wouldn't be bumping the oldest thread in all of WoWI history >< Sorry!`
`04:05.24`	`Cairenn`	`Guillotine: lol, np`
`04:07.16`	`Cairenn`	`besides which, you didn't actually "bump" it because it is, as you said, a sticky, so it was already at the top of the forum ;)`
`04:07.42`	`Guillotine`	`I meant about on the front of hte site`
`04:08.07`	`Guillotine`	`since the front page has all the most recently posted-in threads`
`04:08.11`	`Cairenn`	`well, doesn't actually hurt anything to have folks reminded of it anyway ;)`
`04:08.36`	`Cairenn`	`some of them can certainly use the reminder`
`04:09.41`	`Guillotine`	`I was just thinking that while readon the chit-chat forum. Although I think you closed one mistakenly. http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6041 looks to me like he's asking about exporting from a WoW file to a WC3 file. Though that may still be illegal, I'm not sure`
`04:09.49`	`Osagasu`	`[23:55] <Guillotine> The question is... how do Plorkyeran and Osagasu know that? <--- Because I am god.`
`04:10.22`	`Guillotine`	`then fix the servers`
`04:10.42`	`Osagasu`	`Even god's powers have SOME limit. I mean, be reasonable.`
`04:11.15`	`Guillotine`	`good point ;)`
`04:13.37`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`You're a bit of a crappy god , aren't you`
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`04:17.50`	`Osagasu`	`As to why I know qhat Glide is, you wouldn't believe me if I told you.`
`04:18.24`	`Guillotine`	`its ok, I knew what it was too, I'm just teasing you ;)`
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`04:18.28`	`norgs`	`We'll believe you even if you don't tell us :)`
`04:23.15`	`Osagasu`	`Oh, I didn't hear about it from people whining about it on the forums`
`04:24.37`	`Cairenn`	`lol`
`04:25.03`	`Osagasu`	`Bed now, speak later. if you wanna know, tell you tomorrow. ciao.`
`04:25.09`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`purl forgot an 'f'! Slacking :/`
`04:25.17`	`Cairenn`	`night Osagasu`
`04:25.22`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`Noo I wanna know now :(`
`04:34.17`	`cogwheel`	`speaking of lawyers...`
`04:34.33`	`cogwheel`	`You know how there are ambulance chasers?`
`04:34.33`	`Cairenn`	`uh oh`
`04:34.46`	`cogwheel`	`Well, it turns out there are divorce chasers too...`
`04:35.01`	`cogwheel`	`lawyers are paying hairdressers for gossip`
`04:35.10`	`Cairenn`	`heh`
`04:35.12`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`"A lawyer who obtains clients by persuading accident victims to sue for damages." ... I do now :P`
`04:35.23`	`cogwheel`	`and soliciting business from women who are thinking of divorcing...`
`04:35.32`	`Cairenn`	`Kirkburn\|Vista: you've never heard that expression before? o.O`
`04:35.42`	`cogwheel`	`he's english...`
`04:35.42`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`Nope`
`04:35.45`	`Iriel`	`It's not so common in the UK`
`04:36.24`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`We don't have such a sue-everyone US-alike climate here ... yet :P`
`04:36.26`	`cogwheel`	`i don't think they're as sue-happy as we are ;)`
`04:36.38`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`:)`
`04:36.41`	`cogwheel`	`XD`
`04:36.51`	`Cairenn`	`thank [insert belief of your choice here] for that`
`04:37.01`	`cogwheel`	`42!!!!!`
`04:37.18`	`Cairenn`	`and cogwheel, who's this "we", hmmm?`
`04:37.28`	`cogwheel`	`me and iriel :P`
`04:37.34`	`Cairenn`	`<== is most assuredly NOT american, THANK you very kindly`
`04:37.39`	`Cairenn`	`rofl, Iriel isn't American either`
`04:37.42`	`cogwheel`	`and kirov`
`04:37.54`	`cogwheel`	`well, he lives in the same state i do :P`
`04:37.59`	`gnorlish`	`one of the big advertising lawyers in western new york was fined and punished big time for 1. picking up a client 2. giving them money to pay him so they could hire him and sue`
`04:38.04`	`Cairenn`	`he's a spy`
`04:38.05`	`gnorlish`	`3. profit`
`04:38.17`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`You don't live in america? :P`
`04:38.29`	`Cairenn`	`Kirkburn\|Vista: who?`
`04:38.33`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`Is Canada an island? :P`
`04:38.56`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`(I'm being pedantic, dontchaknow ;)`
`04:39.03`	`Iriel`	`The frozen lands of Canadia are actually a large glacier that's stationed north of the US`
`04:39.07`	`Iriel`	`they could float away at any moment`
`04:39.13`	`Cairenn`	`I live in North America, yes, but you want to tell someone from Mexico or Cuba or Brazil that they are "Americans"?`
`04:39.39`	`Cairenn`	`well, an awful lot of Canadians feel the same way :p`
`04:39.44`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`Not unless I have a helicopter nearby`
`04:40.04`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`Soviet Canuckistan has nothing to do with the great country of Amurrka`
`04:40.15`	`Cairenn`	`Kirkburn\|Vista: fat lot of good it would do you, they'd shoot you out of the bloody sky :p`
`04:40.51`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`Not unless I have an invisible missile defending helicopter standing by`
`04:40.53`	`gnorlish`	`you're all terrorists`
`04:40.58`	`gnorlish`	`terrorists with bombs`
`04:41.12`	`Guillotine`	`~lart gnorlish`
`04:41.14`	`Cairenn`	`lol to the entire topic`
`04:41.20`	`gnorlish`	`~whaleparry`
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`04:43.45`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`So anyway, my genius housemate decided 5am would be a good time to start the washing machine`
`04:44.06`	`gnorlish`	`sounds like you picked a winner`
`04:44.27`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`Bearing in mind this is a flat, and an old house, I'm not sure our neighbours below are having 'a good night's sleep'`
`04:45.42`	`Cairenn`	`urk`
`04:45.54`	`Guillotine`	`g2g everyone, good night :)`
`04:46.09`	`Cairenn`	`later gul`
`04:46.14`	`Cairenn`	`Guillotine *`
`04:49.49`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`Whee, and now the fansite listing is up-to-date :) http://www.wowwiki.com/Fansites`
`04:50.10`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`Cairenn, you should write an entry for WoWI :)`
`04:54.48`	`Cairenn`	`ooorrrrr ... someone else can`
`04:56.26`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`I knew you'd say that`
`04:56.27`	`MentalPower`	`diplomatic as always`
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`05:50.06`	`Corrodias`	`mang... WoW is kinda boring when you can't play. at least, without rerolling anew.`
`05:52.01`	`kergoth`	`no doubt, i want my server to come back`
`05:53.19`	`Corrodias`	`i could be grinding herbalism right now. and if that sounds boring, try a 5 hour game of "sword of the stars" that you forfeit because it's getting -nowhere-`
`05:54.13`	`Corrodias`	`it's a cute game, but holy crap`
`05:57.27`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`I want the wiki to be back in the fansite program :(`
`05:57.30`	`Cairenn`	`okay guys, before anyone else wants anything more from me tonight ... zzzZZZZzzzz`
`05:58.28`	`Shadowed`	`wait`
`05:58.29`	`Shadowed`	`cair`
`05:58.34`	`Cairenn\|sleep`	`nooooooo`
`05:58.40`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`lol`
`05:58.47`	`Shadowed`	`sleep well :p`
`05:58.51`	`Cairenn\|sleep`	`heh`
`05:58.54`	`Cairenn\|sleep`	`thanks Shadowed`
`06:03.56`	`Corrodias`	`i need to find something to do until they open the realm again, tomorrow`
`06:03.59`	`Corrodias`	`maybe i can sleep`
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`06:20.14`	`Corrodias`	`bored bored bored`
`06:20.21`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`hehe`
`06:20.28`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`I know ... play around on the wiki ;)`
`06:21.16`	`Corrodias`	`i don't know anything that hasn't already been written. i mean, i could try my hand at switching all the pages around, but i think you'd sort that out pretty quickly.`
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`06:25.45`	`Iriel`	`Sleepy time, gnight all`
`06:27.24`	`Corrodias`	`'ni`
`06:28.04`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`Corrodias, despite my admin status, I've not actually 'contributed' to the wiki`
`06:28.34`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`I've designed, I've tidied, I've sorted, but I've never actually added info apart from patch notes`
`06:28.48`	`Corrodias`	`i could pack up all the addons i use into a 'compilation' and try to delude myself into thinking i'm so damn important that people will use it, just to feed my ego. ha`
`06:29.01`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`g'night Iriel`
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`06:58.47`	`Corrodias`	`i think my realm is scheduled to come back up in a few minutes`
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`07:00.36`	`AnduinLothar`	`<PROTECTED>`
`07:00.42`	`AnduinLothar`	`stupid gui editing`
`07:01.04`	`AnduinLothar`	`takes forever jsut waiting for it to render... it's almost as bad as rendering`
`07:03.09`	`Xuerian`	`haha, amen`
`07:05.36`	`AnduinLothar`	`er "almost as bad as compiling"`
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`07:20.37`	`Kirov`	`Incredibuild is awesome when you have to compile stuff a lot.`
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`07:34.53`	`Shadowed`	`hrm`
`07:35.05`	`Shadowed`	`so apparently because i accidentantly declined the agreement on the forums i can't post anymore >_>`
`07:35.11`	`Shadowed`	`and i can't figure out where IE stores the damn cookies to delete i`
`07:35.20`	`Shadowed`	`t*`
`07:35.25`	`Xuerian`	`Why are you using IE? For shame!`
`07:35.35`	`Shadowed`	`Xuerian`
`07:35.37`	`Corrodias`	`eww`
`07:35.39`	`Shadowed`	`don't make me slap you`
`07:35.50`	`Xuerian`	`I think you mean, don't slap me, please, I'll change! =O`
`07:35.55`	`Shadowed`	`no`
`07:36.00`	`Xuerian`	`<.<`
`07:36.03`	`Xuerian`	`>.>`
`07:36.15`	`Shadowed`	`i mean "i'm smart enough to avoid security issues and don't have problems with IE" ;)`
`07:36.25`	`Xuerian`	`So`
`07:36.28`	`Xuerian`	`This not finding cookies thing`
`07:36.31`	`Xuerian`	`It's not a problem, right?`
`07:36.47`	`Shadowed`	`wont be in about 30s`
`07:36.51`	`Xuerian`	`lol.`
`07:37.20`	`AnduinLothar`	`times up`
`07:37.30`	`Xuerian`	`=O`
`07:37.36`	`Shadowed`	`already fixed it`
`07:37.42`	`Shadowed`	`like 10s after i said that!`
`07:38.07`	`Xuerian`	`IE doesn't have adblocking. Or smoothscrolling. =\`
`07:38.20`	`Shadowed`	`both which i don't care about :p`
`07:38.36`	`Xuerian`	`Well... welll... WELL I DO! <Sniffle>`
`07:38.46`	`Xuerian`	`meanie...`
`07:38.48`	`Xuerian`	`XD`
`07:38.52`	`Shadowed`	`i wouldn't suggest trying to tell me why FF is better anyway, i have it installed and use it for web design :p`
`07:38.52`	`Xuerian`	`Yeah I'm tired =\`
`07:38.58`	`Shadowed`	`and bored? :p`
`07:39.04`	`Xuerian`	`That too =D`
`07:39.25`	`Xuerian`	`G'night :P`
`07:39.39`	`Shadowed`	`night`
`07:43.47`	`ckknight`	`Xuerian forgot to do </Sniffle>. always remember to close your tags.`
`07:44.08`	`Xuerian\|Sleeeep`	`Technically`
`07:44.15`	`Xuerian\|Sleeeep`	`I should've <sniffle />'d`
`07:44.21`	`ckknight`	`right.`
`07:48.59`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`"IE doesn't have ... smoothscrolling. =\" er, yes it does`
`07:50.55`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`lol, the wowwiki front page just hit 2 million hits ... this is a month after it was under a million. And nearly 2 years since it started. Hmmmmmmm`
`07:51.40`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`I'm sure it wasn't broken at all until it Rustak upgraded the wiki, no I'm sure it wasn't :/`
`07:51.55`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`</sarcasm>`
`07:52.43`	`Shadowed`	`lol`
`07:54.22`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`It says it counts 44 million page views, but given how hideously incorretc the main page hit count was, I kinda doubt it`
`07:57.09`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`Somewhat amazingly, the wiki is almost reaching the hit counts it got during E3 now`
`07:57.29`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`(proof! http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?&range=6m&size=large&compare_sites=&y=r&url=http://wowwiki.com#top)`
`07:59.21`	`Corrodias`	`some people seem to have the prices of mounts and riding training switched around in their realms...`
`08:00.13`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`Woah, seriously?`
`08:00.19`	`Corrodias`	`or i missed some big mount price change...`
`08:00.27`	`AnduinLothar`	`lol`
`08:00.31`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`well wowwiki ias the nr1 site of wowinfo`
`08:00.35`	`Corrodias`	`http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=28547570&sid=1 and http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=28357235&sid=1`
`08:00.38`	`AnduinLothar`	`read the patch notes`
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`08:00.55`	`Corrodias`	`also this, " i feel your pain i paid 640g for a mount that didnt require riding skill (the epic AV mount) and now i have to pay 720g to learn to ride it + its now cost 8g in the vendor :\"`
`08:01.20`	`Corrodias`	`as far as i'm aware, the frostwolf does not require any riding skill to be known, or is not supposed to`
`08:01.29`	`AnduinLothar`	`where as i onyl have a spell mount and got riding skill 150 for free`
`08:01.48`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`omg those prizes are redicules !`
`08:01.50`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`oO`
`08:02.00`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`i fee l like im riding my 60% mount for a long time`
`08:02.44`	`Corrodias`	`FF: as far as i'm aware, this is not an intended price change, because i've not heard anything about it except on the bug reports forum`
`08:03.11`	`AnduinLothar`	`it's in the patch notes..`
`08:03.23`	`AnduinLothar`	`1.12.1`
`08:03.49`	`AnduinLothar`	`riding skill now costs a lost of $ and horses are cheep`
`08:03.55`	`Corrodias`	`i see`
`08:04.31`	`AnduinLothar`	`the bug is that having the AV mount didn't give you the riding skill`
`08:04.46`	`Corrodias`	`why the heck would they make a change like that?`
`08:04.57`	`AnduinLothar`	`go read the forums`
`08:05.28`	`ckknight`	`we should refer to the internet as the internet tubes from now on.`
`08:05.35`	`Corrodias`	`alright, i'll read... the suggestions forum.`
`08:06.16`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`well SUX in my oppinion but it does match the orginal idea of it beeying a real achiecement to ride a mount`
`08:06.35`	`Corrodias`	`nobody seems to like the change. i'm not seeing where you're going with this, AnduinLothar.`
`08:07.03`	`AnduinLothar`	`everyone likes the change. the only peopel that don't are the peopel that had av mounts and were effected by the bug`
`08:07.23`	`AnduinLothar`	`the change costs the same for your first mount and lets you get multiple vasty cheeper`
`08:07.31`	`Corrodias`	`i'll not be an asshole about it. i'll just say you're incorrect: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=28467240&sid=1`
`08:08.57`	`AnduinLothar`	`ok.... those TWO groups of people disslike it`
`08:09.35`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`Corrodias, read me: http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_1.12.1_%28Release_Notes%29#Mount_Changes`
`08:09.39`	`Corrodias`	`people who've bought mounts already, people who were aiming for pvp mount discounts, and people who are hit with a bug you've described (3)`
`08:10.05`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`Oh for goodness' sake, you two`
`08:10.13`	`AnduinLothar`	`people that bought mounts already (other than the bugged av rep ones) don't care`
`08:10.30`	`AnduinLothar`	`in fact i think they are the ones most benifiting`
`08:10.38`	`AnduinLothar`	`because they can buy anothe rmount for 8g`
`08:10.39`	`Corrodias`	`you apparently missed the multiple posts of people saying "i bought my mount a little early for 80g and now i have to pay another 72g for the riding skill"`
`08:10.42`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`It's a beneficial change in the long term, and yes it has less beneficial effects for those who didn't bother checking up on what was happening`
`08:10.54`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`Corrodias, they don't`
`08:11.05`	`AnduinLothar`	`if you had the mount prepatch you should have gained the skill`
`08:11.08`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`You automatically get the mount skill if you have the mount`
`08:11.16`	`AnduinLothar`	`same with epic`
`08:11.27`	`Corrodias`	`really? they apparently don't know that`
`08:11.35`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`More fool them :P`
`08:11.38`	`Corrodias`	`i hope it kicks in when they hit level 40`
`08:12.35`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`It is intended that whatever level you are, if you have a mount in your inventory when the patch hit, you get the riding skill - but you can't use it, of course`
`08:13.07`	`Corrodias`	`i've never had a mount so i can't talk about this subject from experience. all i'm working off of is the patch notes explanation that i read and threads like this one, http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=28327805&sid=1`
`08:13.23`	`Corrodias`	`if he isn't looking at his skills screen, i guess i didn't realize that.`
`08:14.14`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`Either that's a real bug, or he's an idiot`
`08:14.48`	`Corrodias`	`i'm glad they put in something to give value to those who have already spent gold on the expensive part. except the guys aiming for the pvp mount who haven't gotten there yet. tough luck on that one.`
`08:15.07`	`Corrodias`	`but they didn't spend anything, of course`
`08:15.10`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`ih his case he probely did nhet any riding skill`
`08:15.15`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`becase he never leanred it`
`08:15.46`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`You misunderstand, if you have any mount in your inventory when 1.12.1 hit, you get the skill to ride it`
`08:16.02`	`Corrodias`	`maybe he bought the mount on an alt. that would be some pretty bad luck.`
`08:16.24`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`It would ...`
`08:17.16`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`if u already have a monuth u get the needed skill yes`
`08:17.32`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`but hen ever realy had it becase he probely didn leanr riding skill so he cound use it`
`08:17.39`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`so at the patch he stated 0 probelt`
`08:18.26`	`Corrodias`	`i am surprised that i didn't catch this pricing change. i almost always read patch notes, and nobody in the game mentioned it to me.`
`08:18.39`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`same here`
`08:19.13`	`Corrodias`	`maybe i didn't expect a 0.0.1 increment to have anything but bugfixes.`
`08:19.46`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`yeh such a crusial change doesnt belong in a 0.0.1`
`08:20.05`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`maybe bliz did it on purpose to hoope itgoes unseen`
`08:20.23`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u, you're butchering the english language again :P`
`08:20.45`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`oops :)`
`08:21.04`	`Eufe`	`FFS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!`
`08:21.25`	`Corrodias`	`i didn't want to say anything, but i couldn't figure out what you meant by "he stated 0 probelt" :)`
`08:21.29`	`Eufe`	`after 6 mounts of grinding I bought my alt an AV mount for 640 gold...LAST NIGHT on EU servers!!!!`
`08:21.34`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`They should ahve done more to make it known, it's true. It's was well known on the test forums, but not elsewhere`
`08:21.35`	`Eufe`	`LAST NIGHT`
`08:21.53`	`Eufe`	`and today we get a patch and I'll have to pay 720 gold more???`
`08:22.05`	`Eufe`	`man I got butt fucked by blizz`
`08:22.05`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`oh, I give up`
`08:22.12`	`Corrodias`	`according to what the others have said and what i have now finally got around to reading, no, Eufe, that's incorrect.`
`08:22.22`	`Corrodias`	`you will automatically obtain the riding skill, or will once the bug is fixed, anyway.`
`08:22.23`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`You bothered to read anything we've been talking about Eufe ?`
`08:22.44`	`Eufe`	`yes...I read...but there isnt any definet answer to my problem`
`08:22.49`	`Eufe`	`its just heresay`
`08:22.53`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`"if you have any mount in your inventory when 1.12.1 hit, you get the skill to ride it"`
`08:22.59`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`No, it's NOT hearsay.`
`08:23.04`	`Corrodias`	`i know people get very upset when it seems like they're going to lose a large amount of gold, because it takes time and effort (or real money to buy it) to obtain`
`08:23.18`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`I said that quote a grand total of 6 minutes ago`
`08:23.54`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`omg Eufe u are one of those that got screwed completely`
`08:23.59`	`Eufe`	`so I just have to chill till the next patch or the one after till blizz fix it? :P`
`08:24.07`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`There's nothing to fix!`
`08:24.09`	`Corrodias`	`AnduinLothar has mentioned that there is a bug with the AV mounts not giving you the riding skill as they should`
`08:24.18`	`Eufe`	`exactly`
`08:24.25`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`But you don't know you've been affected`
`08:24.44`	`Eufe`	`well, if its on 1 server it its on all others...or?`
`08:24.49`	`Corrodias`	`if you are affected, yes, you have to wait for blizzard to fix it, just like hundreds of others wait for their own issues on their own realms to be fixed`
`08:24.50`	`AnduinLothar`	`lol, you didn't read the test realm patch notes before spending gobs of money?`
`08:24.53`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`i wonder how much nether dragons are going to cost compared to the druid flight form :p`
`08:25.26`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u, well, one's an epic mount and one's not :P Bit of an unfair comparison ;)`
`08:25.58`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`well 150 riding skill isnt much so i think they gonig to need 300 for 5000g`
`08:25.59`	`Eufe`	`Corrodias: yeah..thats what im saying...till blizz fix it...like I had to wait 3 months for blizz to fix furor in cat form after they broke it :'(`
`08:26.03`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`If the AV mount thing does affect you, it _will_ be fixed`
`08:26.07`	`Corrodias`	`people who think a druid flight form will make flying mounts unnecessary should see what it's like to chase after nightsabers in travel form. ._.`
`08:26.18`	`Corrodias`	`furor? that doesn't even sound familiar`
`08:26.51`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`Furor, he comes and bites people who don't like his quests :P (he's a lead quest designer)`
`08:27.36`	`Eufe`	`furor gives you 40 energy when shifting to cat form among other things`
`08:27.50`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`Eufe, I think there's a difference between a minor ability bug and a 700g cost for thousands of players`
`08:27.55`	`Corrodias`	`ah, that's one of those talents in the feral tree that i don't have. aye.`
`08:28.04`	`Eufe`	`Kirkburn\|Vista: I hope so`
`08:28.08`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`=)`
`08:28.19`	`Eufe`	`nah, I'm just pissed on myself for being an idiot`
`08:28.21`	`Corrodias`	`blizzard -does- seem to work hard to keep people reasonably happy`
`08:28.23`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`Me too. If it exists :P`
`08:28.46`	`Corrodias`	`after all, if they get too upset, they might stop subscribing :o`
`08:28.50`	`Eufe`	`I could have learnbed riding skill last night and buy mount today..proper epic mount for only 120gp or something like that`
`08:28.58`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`Eufe, no I can completely understand hwo annoying it must be to have just found out`
`08:29.14`	`Eufe`	`arghhh, typos`
`08:29.27`	`Corrodias`	`you missed the boat while waiting for the train`
`08:29.33`	`Eufe`	`idd`
`08:30.07`	`Eufe`	`thats what I get for only focusing on finishing my god damn addons...and not reading up on other patch nots...not related to UI changes :P`
`08:31.58`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`yeh in your case i would also be realy pissed :(`
`08:32.20`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`especialy when u bought it only a few hourd to early`
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`08:33.17`	`Eufe`	`idd, and I actualy was thinking about learning the riding skill just in case, but I was to lasy to go from taren mill to brill....bah...enough whining....its too late now`
`08:33.31`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`Such is life ... it's only gold, anyway`
`08:33.52`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`yeh nad u can buy gold online for verry cheap prizes`
`08:33.55`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`(sorry, this is coming from someone who barely plays atm, so I can sya things like that :)`
`08:33.55`	`Eufe`	`gold is the hardest thing to get for me`
`08:34.05`	`Corrodias`	`that's the lives of little chinese children you're talking about`
`08:34.12`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u, no, no and no stern look`
`08:34.25`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`\o/ j/k`
`08:34.27`	`Eufe`	`work 8 hours a day and raids for 4-5hours with shitloads of consumables = no time to get gold`
`08:35.06`	`Corrodias`	`it's that age-old choice: arrange a jerk squad to farm gold all day yourself, or pay someone else to do it for you`
`08:37.48`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`yeh but in wow its illegal :p`
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`08:57.59`	`AnduinLothar`	`so.. now how do i fake the game into putting an item refrence on the cursor...`
`08:58.49`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`easely`
`08:59.03`	`AnduinLothar`	`orly?`
`08:59.05`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`pickupcontaineritem <- only thne speel i correct`
`08:59.12`	`AnduinLothar`	`that's not fake`
`08:59.19`	`AnduinLothar`	`that's pickign up a real item`
`08:59.26`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`oO u cant puck up any item that u do not presoees`
`08:59.26`	`AnduinLothar`	`i want to pick upa fake item`
`08:59.45`	`AnduinLothar`	`sure i can. i just cant do anythign with it without special code`
`09:00.00`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`uness u render an icon near the cursor showing the itemtextture of your fake item`
`09:00.06`	`AnduinLothar`	`whooo`
`09:00.13`	`AnduinLothar`	`hmmm`
`09:00.26`	`AnduinLothar`	`i do technically posess it so i spose i could pickup the real one`
`09:00.55`	`AnduinLothar`	`mmm, might not have to`
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`09:02.40`	`Corrodias`	`whoa. that's not good.`
`09:02.58`	`Corrodias`	`my character shows up in the forum now as being level 55 and rank 2. that was a few weeks ago, now.`
`09:03.23`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`i had the prob just goto optinos and reselect your char`
`09:04.29`	`Corrodias`	`the funny part is that he shows up as 55 in the post, but as 60 on the "selected character" thing in the upper right corner. hey, didn't i delete that character long ago? >_>`
`09:05.15`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`soon blizz is goning to hve a critucal DB error and we all gonebe reset at level 1`
`09:05.27`	`Corrodias`	`any day now`
`09:07.42`	`MoonWolf`	`they have backups!`
`09:08.36`	`Corrodias`	`until somebody spills coffee on them all!`
`09:09.01`	`Corrodias`	`heh, forum still has my rank wrong. :P`
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`09:13.30`	`Corrodias`	`oddly, i'm not listed on the "PvP Rankings" page on wow.com, either.`
`09:18.54`	`Eufe`	`http://www.rennteam.com/uploads/270492-AlcoholWarning_MMH.mp3`
`09:21.41`	`Corrodias`	`hah, cute`
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`09:22.09`	`Eufe`	`omw to pharmacy`
`09:22.16`	`Corrodias`	`http://www.youdamnkid.com/d/20020520.html`
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`09:38.48`	`wereHamster`	`What cooldown does Preparation have?`
`09:47.16`	`Mery`	`I think 5 min (if thats the rouge reset cd's spell)`
`09:47.21`	`Mery`	`rogue*`
`09:49.11`	`wereHamster`	`yes, it's the 'reset all cooldowns' talent`
`09:49.40`	`wereHamster`	`Cold Snap has 10 minutes .. rogues are overpowered ;)`
`09:56.03`	`Mery`	`no its 10 min too`
`09:56.10`	`Mery`	`http://www.thottbot.com/?sp=14185`
`10:00.30`	`Mikma`	`http://www.thottbot.com/?i=Skull%20of%20Impending%20Doom`
`10:00.31`	`Mikma`	`hehe`
`10:00.49`	`Corrodias`	`an amusing item`
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`11:04.00`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`lol that skull is so useless`
`11:04.15`	`Eufe`	`it owns in AB`
`11:04.23`	`Eufe`	`errr, esg`
`11:04.24`	`Eufe`	`<PROTECTED>`
`11:04.28`	`Eufe`	`omg!!!`
`11:04.31`	`Eufe`	`WSG`
`11:04.49`	`Eufe`	`I need some sleep...`
`11:45.33`	`fatbrain`	`Who can send me the current UI.xsd?`
`11:45.41`	`Corrodias`	`the skull has a purpose for a flag carrier. rogue + dash + speed boost item + nifty stopwatch + skull is going to get far.`
`11:46.07`	`Corrodias`	`unless he dies, of course`
`11:46.48`	`grr`	`dont forget speedpot ;P`
`11:46.50`	`Corrodias`	`i'd like to take this moment to remind everyone: have your paladins spayed or neutered... or suggest that they be unable to attack anyone while bubbled!`
`11:46.54`	`Corrodias`	`ah, yes`
`11:47.09`	`grr`	`and then preperation for 2 x sprint ;d`
`11:47.35`	`Corrodias`	`that's how that rogue managed to zoom all the way across the damn map :)`
`11:47.44`	`grr`	`huh? ;<`
`11:48.21`	`Corrodias`	`a rogue on our team grabbed the flag once, and as i followed him out, he was running at what must have been nearly +60% speed for the entire trip back to our base`
`11:48.36`	`grr`	`ah`
`11:48.37`	`grr`	`;p`
`11:48.47`	`Corrodias`	`that was a nice cap`
`11:49.51`	`Corrodias`	`time to sleep. 'ni`
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`12:22.28`	`grr`	`hmm`
`12:22.35`	`grr`	`I still need a decent serialization routine`
`12:23.05`	`grr`	`need to serialize nested tables and send over the AddOn channel`
`12:23.11`	`grr`	`anyone that can point me into the direction of one?`
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`12:35.17`	`fatbrain`	`Is there a more resize friendly button template than OptionsButtonTemplate?`
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`12:36.36`	`grr`	`fatbrain just build your own`
`12:37.16`	`fatbrain`	`grr: faire enough ^^`
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`12:47.19`	`Kaso`	`I wonder; is anyone in-game near plaugelands?`
`12:49.40`	`Kaso`	`i just wonder if http://www.thottbot.com/?sp=30238 is fixed yet`
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`12:57.16`	`fatbrain`	`cry`
`13:01.35`	`JoshBorke`	`Kaso: i gained it earlier this morning while flying out of EPL`
`13:02.36`	`Kaso`	`hm? how did you gain it while flying`
`13:02.58`	`Kaso`	`i mean the Stamina buff from northpass tower`
`13:08.45`	`JoshBorke`	`i dunno. i just got a notification from SCT that I gained and lossed the Lordearon Buff`
`13:09.31`	`Kaso`	`that'll be the +%damage buff`
`13:10.15`	`JoshBorke`	`ah`
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`13:54.48`	`GremWarsong`	`Can anyone tell me how to format a float value to only show up to the hundredths digit?`
`13:55.46`	`GremWarsong`	`%f something`
`13:56.23`	`krka`	`%.2f`
`13:56.30`	`GremWarsong`	`ahh, cool, thanks`
`13:56.39`	`krka`	`no wait... you want 100 digits? %.100f`
`13:57.02`	`cogwheel`	`krka: you had it right the first time`
`13:57.03`	`TS\|Skrom`	`krka lol`
`13:57.04`	`vhaarr`	`Where should I report UI API bugs for EU?`
`13:57.11`	`vhaarr`	`The Interface Customization forum?`
`13:57.22`	`cogwheel`	`hundredTHS digit, not hundredTH digit ;)`
`13:57.56`	`vhaarr`	`Or should I just PM Iriel? :)`
`13:58.15`	`tigg`	`vhaarr: then at least somebody reads it ;)`
`13:58.20`	`vhaarr`	`^^`
`13:58.44`	`vhaarr`	`Well, I'm not sure if he accepts PMs just like that or not, he's away now anyway.`
`13:59.11`	`cogwheel`	`Woot! my new computer hardware is out for delivery... /drool`
`14:01.01`	`malreth`	`what you getting, cogwheel`
`14:01.29`	`cogwheel`	`intel E6600, 4 gigs ddr2 800, geforce 7900 gt`
`14:01.34`	`cogwheel`	`for both me and my wife :)`
`14:01.48`	`malreth`	`ooooooooooh...`
`14:02.00`	`malreth`	`what color is it?`
`14:02.16`	`cogwheel`	`it's just the guts... gonna put them in our current cases`
`14:02.29`	`malreth`	`...`
`14:02.39`	`malreth`	`color?`
`14:02.49`	`TS\|Skrom`	`teal`
`14:03.05`	`cogwheel`	`color of what?`
`14:03.12`	`malreth`	`do you like eggs?`
`14:03.16`	`malreth`	`http://www.redmeat.com/redmeat/2006-09-26/`
`14:03.21`	`cogwheel`	`not incredibly`
`14:03.24`	`TS\|Skrom`	`I do not like them, sam I am`
`14:03.27`	`cogwheel`	`i like them on things....`
`14:03.49`	`cogwheel`	`mmmmmmmmmmmm Eggs Benedict....`
`14:11.12`	`wereHamster`	`does anyone know the addon that displays raid statistics on a webpage? Like overall raid dps, damage in/out, healing etc, all in nice graphs. I think it was a french website where he had the examples...`
`14:11.14`	`warla`	`http://www.wowledgebase.com/wowprofiles.html <-- beta test :-)`
`14:12.38`	`cogwheel`	`server not found`
`14:15.19`	`Legorol`	`What's the new price of the AV faction reward mount?`
`14:15.34`	`nevcairiel`	`10g, ive been told.`
`14:18.47`	`cladhaire`	`8g, since you're exalted and likely rank 3+`
`14:18.52`	`cladhaire`	`i checked yesterday`
`14:20.15`	`Legorol`	`ok then they changed the meaning of the price on the website`
`14:20.27`	`Legorol`	`it used to list 720g, which already included the reputation discount,`
`14:20.36`	`Legorol`	`so in practice it was 640g with honor rank`
`14:20.48`	`Legorol`	`now it lists 10g which, by the sound of it, includes no discount then`
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`14:24.27`	`GremWarsong`	`wait...it used to cost 720, but now it costs 10?`
`14:24.36`	`nevcairiel`	`yes`
`14:24.50`	`GremWarsong`	`10g for an epic mount?`
`14:25.12`	`nevcairiel`	`yea`
`14:25.19`	`nevcairiel`	`if you are exalted with av`
`14:25.19`	`GremWarsong`	`are you sure? lol`
`14:25.37`	`nevcairiel`	`i dont know which riding skill it requires`
`14:25.38`	`GremWarsong`	`exalted with av takes like a week`
`14:25.51`	`nevcairiel`	`if it requires 150, you still need to spend the money`
`14:25.54`	`nevcairiel`	`at least once`
`14:26.03`	`GremWarsong`	`how much does that cost?`
`14:26.23`	`nevcairiel`	`900 iirc`
`14:26.31`	`GremWarsong`	`err`
`14:26.31`	`nevcairiel`	`minus discount`
`14:26.40`	`GremWarsong`	`900g to learn epic riding? damn`
`14:26.53`	`nevcairiel`	`or 800, not sure`
`14:26.59`	`nevcairiel`	`at least somewhere in that range`
`14:27.02`	`GremWarsong`	`yeh`
`14:27.23`	`GremWarsong`	`interesting news`
`14:31.42`	`Kaso`	`i got myself a raptor without being exahalted with the trolls out of this, im fairly happy`
`14:31.50`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Beladona (n=Beladona@24.129.136.26)`
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`14:31.53`	`Plorkyeran`	`900g pre-discount`
`14:34.57`	`Legorol`	`Closed beta coming to EU Soon (TM): http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=44604709&sid=1`
`14:35.05`	`malreth`	`my fiancee got her kitty mount without having to be exalted with the nightelves... she's happy`
`14:35.16`	`Beladona`	`would stand to reason the same would hold true for US`
`14:35.32`	`Legorol`	`if not Sooner (TM)`
`14:36.02`	`Beladona`	`anyone here use Gaim Beta 2?`
`14:37.04`	`Legorol`	`GremWarsong: [all prices without any discounts] Before patch, riding skill cost you 20g, AV mount 800g.`
`14:37.25`	`Legorol`	`After patch, level 75 riding skill is 90g, level 150 riding skill is 900g, AV mount 10g`
`14:37.42`	`Legorol`	`Both faction reputation and honor rank discounts apply to all these values.`
`14:37.58`	`Legorol`	`Therefore in practice people could buy the following at these prices:`
`14:38.08`	`Legorol`	`Before patch: 18g for riding, 640g for AV mount`
`14:38.10`	`GremWarsong`	`hm`
`14:38.27`	`Legorol`	`After patch: lvl 75 riding: 72g, lvl 150 riding: 720g, AV mount 8g`
`14:38.44`	`GremWarsong`	`I see`
`14:39.26`	`Legorol`	`So if you haven't had any mount or riding skill at all, the AV mount got more expensive`
`14:39.32`	`GremWarsong`	`right`
`14:39.50`	`Legorol`	`In practice most people already had a blue mount at least, so they don't have to buy the lvl 75 riding skill`
`14:39.57`	`GremWarsong`	`yah`
`14:40.11`	`Legorol`	`but in many cases they still need to buy the lvl 150 riding skill, so AV mount is still more expensive`
`14:40.30`	`Legorol`	`If you already had an epic mount before the patch, you were automatically given lvl 150 riding skill, in which case AV mount is now dirt cheap for you`
`14:40.45`	`GremWarsong`	`I see`
`14:41.33`	`Legorol`	`In conclusion: you can't avoid having to spend of the order of 700-800g, no matter what you do.`
`14:41.46`	`Legorol`	`Before the patch you would've spent that on an epic mount, after the patch on the riding skill`
`14:42.07`	`Legorol`	`there is no loophole, no-one gets AV mount for just 10g`
`14:42.07`	`GremWarsong`	`Yeah, but it gives you more freedom to get different epic mounts`
`14:42.12`	`Legorol`	`yup`
`14:42.15`	`GremWarsong`	`ops`
`14:42.45`	`GremWarsong`	`I knew the 10g for an epic mount thing sounded too good to be true`
`14:42.58`	`Legorol`	`it is 10g, if you already had an epic mount before`
`14:43.01`	`GremWarsong`	`didnt know riding changed`
`14:43.01`	`GremWarsong`	`Right`
`14:43.02`	`JoshBorke`	`Legorol: paladin ;-)`
`14:43.02`	`Legorol`	`but then you already spent lot of money`
`14:43.04`	`GremWarsong`	`I get the idea`
`14:43.10`	`Legorol`	`JoshBorke: what?`
`14:43.12`	`GremWarsong`	`Im just saying, before I didnt know the riding price changed`
`14:43.16`	`GremWarsong`	`hehe`
`14:43.17`	`Legorol`	`right`
`14:43.24`	`JoshBorke`	`paladin with their epic mount got 150 riding skill`
`14:43.31`	`Legorol`	`JoshBorke: do you know how much it costs a paladin in practice to get their epic mount?`
`14:43.40`	`JoshBorke`	`Legorol: yea, it was around 500g for me`
`14:43.45`	`Beladona`	`did Paladin's automatically get the riding skill for having their epic mount? I thought there was talk of that not being the case`
`14:43.56`	`Legorol`	`exactly, most paladins I know have spent several hundred g on their epic mount as well`
`14:44.02`	`Legorol`	`Beladona: they did`
`14:44.07`	`Legorol`	`otherwise they wouldn't be able to ride it`
`14:44.11`	`Legorol`	`same for locks`
`14:44.20`	`JoshBorke`	`Beladona: yep, sure did :-)`
`14:44.27`	`JoshBorke`	`now i can go buy a cheap epic horse and a cheap AV mount`
`14:44.27`	`Beladona`	`unless they have friends that give them mats and such`
`14:44.32`	`Beladona`	`then taht cost reduces`
`14:44.44`	`Legorol`	`then they just pushed the cost over to their friends`
`14:44.48`	`Beladona`	`aye`
`14:44.49`	`Legorol`	`there is no free lunch ;-)`
`14:45.09`	`Beladona`	`which is the main and only benefit of paladin / warlock quest now. Cool mount, and possible cost offset`
`14:45.18`	`Beladona`	`IF they ave friends`
`14:45.25`	`Beladona`	`which we all know, locks and pallies don't`
`14:45.29`	`Beladona`	`0.o`
`14:45.35`	`Legorol`	`it still comes out a bit cheaper than lvl 150 riding skill, so i think it's worth it`
`14:45.55`	`Legorol`	`pallies true, but locks have many many friends`
`14:46.01`	`Legorol`	`or at least seem to when they need a summon :D`
`14:46.09`	`Beladona`	`fair weather friends`
`14:46.12`	`Beladona`	`thats different`
`14:46.15`	`Legorol`	`haha`
`14:46.18`	`JoshBorke`	`Beladona: :-(`
`14:46.35`	`Legorol`	`so there is at least one pali who has a friend`
`14:46.41`	`Beladona`	`hey buddy.... how is it going? long time no see? so um, yeah, can you summon someone for me?`
`14:46.50`	`Legorol`	`yup`
`14:46.57`	`grr`	`anyone know any good program that i can use to record an ingame move? fraps/game cam yes but i dont think any1 of them record the mouse pointer ;(`
`14:47.17`	`Legorol`	`grr: try switching hardware cursor off`
`14:47.21`	`Legorol`	`then they might record the mouse`
`14:47.24`	`Beladona`	`aye`
`14:47.25`	`grr`	`ohh`
`14:47.27`	`grr`	`smart :)`
`14:47.35`	`grr`	`thanks for that`
`14:47.35`	`Beladona`	`otherwise you will need a hardware based external solution that captures video`
`14:47.39`	`Legorol`	`i don't think any programs record mouse with hardware cursor on`
`14:47.42`	`Beladona`	`which could be nasty`
`14:48.29`	`Beladona`	`I am so annoyed. I hate colorized nicks, but for some reason the latest gaim client doens't let you turn it off...`
`14:48.39`	`Beladona`	`I really don't like ranbow chat`
`14:48.44`	`Beladona`	`rainbow*`
`14:49.21`	`*** topic/#wowi-lounge by Beladona -> WoW will be using Lua 5.1 for the expansion\| http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#7 \| Paste Code Here: http://wowi.pastey.net/`
`14:50.14`	`Legorol`	`Beladona: how's that a new topic? what changed..`
`14:50.29`	`Beladona`	`removed the "enUS patch 1.12.1 today"`
`14:50.37`	`Beladona`	`since it was yesterday`
`14:50.42`	`Legorol`	`ah ok haven't even noticed that :)`
`14:51.03`	`Legorol`	`see no evil, hear no evil..`
`14:57.10`	`Beladona`	`brb, gotta reload, and hope the color nicks is gone`
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`15:13.40`	`malreth`	`http://ahlwoon.ckcheng.com/uploaded_images/attractivenesScale-782459.jpg`
`15:13.50`	`malreth`	`that image cracks me up`
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`15:15.20`	`Xuerian`	`lol`
`15:15.50`	`malreth`	`i like the "null set"...`
`15:17.15`	`Mikk`	`hahaha yeah`
`15:20.05`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`does any1 know the min - max value a lua variable can handle ?`
`15:20.53`	`malreth`	`number?`
`15:21.00`	`malreth`	`numbers are stored as double floats`
`15:21.27`	`malreth`	`so.... technically the min max values are -inf and inf`
`15:21.29`	`malreth`	`:D`
`15:21.49`	`malreth`	`it should be noted that you lose precision as you approach those values`
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`15:22.37`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`oke`
`15:22.42`	`malreth`	`a more useful answer... you can store integer amounts at full precision all the way up to 2^52 if I recall correctly`
`15:22.52`	`malreth`	`or was it 2^53?`
`15:23.19`	`Kaso`	`that picture owns ;>`
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`15:27.14`	`Osagasu`	`In the old WoW forums, there was a... Oh, found it. dur, it's sticky on the NEW forums!`
`15:27.24`	`Osagasu`	`heh`
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`15:30.44`	`grr`	`h,,`
`15:30.45`	`grr`	`hmm`
`15:30.47`	`grr`	`what is the new toc ?`
`15:30.48`	`grr`	`12100 ?`
`15:30.58`	`grr`	`toc version or what it's called.`
`15:31.03`	`grr`	`interface version.`
`15:31.17`	`JoshBorke`	`11200`
`15:31.26`	`JoshBorke`	`i think ;-)`
`15:31.29`	`grr`	`ah`
`15:31.30`	`grr`	`^^`
`15:31.32`	`JoshBorke`	`i don't think they change the toc for minor updates`
`15:31.36`	`malreth`	`1.12 * 10000`
`15:31.38`	`cogwheel`	`grr, it only changes for major updates`
`15:31.59`	`cogwheel`	`purl, JoshBork is faster than me`
`15:32.01`	`purl`	`okay, cogwheel`
`15:32.05`	`cogwheel`	`s/k/ke/`
`15:32.10`	`JoshBorke`	`lol`
`15:32.14`	`JoshBorke`	`~JoshBork`
`15:32.17`	`purl`	`i heard joshbork is faster than me`
`15:32.51`	`malreth`	`new ventrilo client out for Mac OS X...`
`15:34.05`	`leech2k`	`hmm`
`15:40.39`	`Xuerian`	`Maccies in my guild will be happy :p`
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`15:45.13`	`malreth`	`i love looking at a greyed out bio-hazard icon on someone's post now on the forums`
`15:48.50`	`TS\|Skrom`	`how am I supposed to play my shaman if people keep coming around bugging me about work?`
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`15:49.34`	`cogwheel`	`TS\|Skrom: Neural interface?`
`15:49.40`	`cogwheel`	`XD`
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`15:56.04`	`malreth`	`it's not even 11 am and i've read the entire internet`
`15:56.27`	`nevcairiel`	`go watch all the porn that came with the internet.`
`15:56.42`	`malreth`	`i only do that when i'm not at work`
`15:56.55`	`nevcairiel`	`right`
`16:01.53`	`cogwheel`	`If an XML defines a template and another XML defines a template with the same name, will the new one override the old one or will the old one remain?`
`16:02.18`	`JoshBorke`	`i think the last one loaded gets to stay, but i have no clue honestly`
`16:02.36`	`nevcairiel`	`i would think the first one stays and an error in framexml.log appears`
`16:02.43`	`cogwheel`	`:(`
`16:02.46`	`cogwheel`	`1-1`
`16:02.50`	`nevcairiel`	`try it :)`
`16:02.56`	`cogwheel`	`at work atm ;P`
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`16:03.09`	`malreth`	`nevcairiel is correct`
`16:03.16`	`cogwheel`	`OK`
`16:03.23`	`malreth`	`from my experience`
`16:03.34`	`cogwheel`	`That should be alright for my purpose...`
`16:05.02`	`cogwheel`	`I'm making an embedded library called SmoothFauxScroll that gives the appearence of a regular ScrollFrame, but with the memory efficiency of a FauxScrollFrame and I want it to use XML templates. I'll just have to make sure to get it right the first time and change the name if I make any large changes.`
`16:08.13`	`Mery`	`why don't you create your "template" as a lua function?`
`16:09.00`	`cogwheel`	`Because I want people to be able to use it in XML files`
`16:09.26`	`cogwheel`	`I find XML to be more intuitive for static interface elements than lua, since it's organized hierarchically rather than temporally`
`16:11.47`	`cogwheel`	`Plus, my XML editor autocompletes, unlike my lua editor ;)`
`16:12.40`	`JoshBorke`	`vim ftw!`
`16:12.56`	`cogwheel`	`JoshBorke: does your vim do autocomplete for wiget methods?`
`16:13.12`	`JoshBorke`	`erm, i dunno. i abhor xml :-P`
`16:13.40`	`cogwheel`	`i'm talking about lua... as in, if you do frame:SetPoint( does it give you your choices for anchor points?`
`16:16.34`	`JoshBorke`	`no`
`16:20.12`	`malreth`	`lern2memorize noob`
`16:21.13`	`Xuerian`	`"TOPRIGHT" to me is as fast as hitting down down down enter space`
`16:21.32`	`Xuerian`	`But.. That was only one example I fully agree :D`
`16:21.50`	`cogwheel`	`Then there's always teh occasional brain fart...`
`16:21.54`	`cogwheel`	`s/eh/he/`
`16:22.34`	`Xuerian`	`MRMF! mrrnglefhnn... mrrawt mwafh ma mmmmor?`
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`16:24.55`	`Beladona`	`ok guys, get a room`
`16:25.02`	`malreth`	`wb, Cairenn`
`16:25.16`	`Beladona`	`off to lunch, bbs`
`16:25.18`	`Xuerian`	`Hi to you too, Beladona =P`
`16:25.20`	`Cairenn`	`thanks`
`16:25.25`	`Xuerian`	`Enjoy XD`
`16:25.34`	`MentalPower`	`morning`
`16:25.35`	`Xuerian`	`And hai Cairenn 0.o`
`16:25.41`	`Xuerian`	`.... And MentalPower >.>`
`16:25.43`	`Cairenn`	`hi`
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`16:32.34`	`cogwheel`	`does anyone know when OnScrollRangeChanged occurs?`
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`16:33.39`	`JoshBorke`	`hi Cairenn\|afk`
`16:33.43`	`JoshBorke`	`bye Cairenn\|afk`
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`16:44.26`	`jaxdahl`	`which is more appropriate:`
`16:44.38`	`jaxdahl`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Riding`
`16:44.43`	`jaxdahl`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Riding_Skill`
`16:46.10`	`DrDre`	`err`
`16:46.21`	`DrDre`	`they arnt related? one is about the skill ones bout enchant O.o`
`16:46.51`	`Mikk`	`The enchant one should be renamed to match other enchants`
`16:47.01`	`Mikk`	`And there should only be one page about the riding skill`
`16:47.18`	`jaxdahl`	`there's an enchant one?`
`16:47.32`	`jaxdahl`	`i made the _Skill one redirect to Riding`
`16:47.44`	`Mikk`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Enchant_Gloves_-_Riding_Skill`
`16:48.12`	`jaxdahl`	`make it a disambiguation page then?`
`16:48.28`	`Mikk`	`possibly`
`16:48.30`	`Mikk`	`that works`
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`16:49.45`	`zenzelezz`	`so I had my second wisdom's tooth pulled today... now I feel about as smart as my warrior`
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`16:52.03`	`cogwheel`	`:)`
`16:54.22`	`jaxdahl`	`alright`
`16:54.24`	`jaxdahl`	`updated stuff`
`16:54.30`	`jaxdahl`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Riding_Skill`
`17:00.43`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`Looks good`
`17:02.47`	`JoshBorke`	`Beladona: wb`
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`17:03.57`	`Qzot`	`Heyo.`
`17:04.26`	`Qzot`	`http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=44604709&pageNo=1&sid=1#0 o.O`
`17:04.32`	`Cairenn`	`hi Qzot`
`17:04.46`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`<jaxdahl> http://www.wowwiki.com/Riding_Skill`
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`17:05.07`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`thank god, now all the idiots going HAY WHEN MOUNT CHANGES HAPPEN IN BC HOW MUCH WILL THEY BE and stuff`
`17:05.13`	`TS\|Skrom`	`assuming a user is unzipping the folder correctly, what could cause an addon to not load at all?`
`17:05.30`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`it being out of date and them not checking it? :o`
`17:05.33`	`Qzot`	`Syntax errors in the Lua?`
`17:05.37`	`Cide`	`them not unzipping correctly`
`17:05.41`	`Cide`	`honestly`
`17:05.41`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`and/or missing files/syntax errors`
`17:05.42`	`TS\|Skrom`	`cide :D`
`17:05.53`	`Cide`	`users say "yes, I did this, I did that" when they really didn't do shit`
`17:05.54`	`Qzot`	`Hard disk flailure?`
`17:06.00`	`Cide`	`that's the most common error`
`17:06.02`	`Cide`	`ask Mikk :P`
`17:06.12`	`TS\|Skrom`	`Mr_Rabies2 it's not out of date`
`17:06.13`	`Mery`	`changing the folder name because they think it sounds better`
`17:06.18`	`Qzot`	`Cide: Have we had our happy pills yet this morning? :D`
`17:06.26`	`TS\|Skrom`	`Qzot the addon loads fine for others, user has disabled all but mine`
`17:06.36`	`Qzot`	`changing the name of the .toc file because they think it sounds better`
`17:06.54`	`TS\|Skrom`	`what about different clients?`
`17:07.01`	`Qzot`	`TS: Does it show up in the list of addons at the Addon frame?`
`17:07.08`	`Qzot`	`TS: That's an important split.`
`17:07.14`	`jaxdahl`	`Mr_Rabies, hard to detect where your sarcasm was redirected to..`
`17:07.15`	`TS\|Skrom`	`barring language issues with them not being able to understand it`
`17:07.16`	`cogwheel`	`Warla ping`
`17:07.25`	`jaxdahl`	`directed*`
`17:07.31`	`TS\|Skrom`	`is an addon usable in ALL clients?`
`17:07.31`	`Qzot`	`TS: And has he shut down the game and re-entered since unzipping.`
`17:07.41`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`directed to the people that don't know how to read forums, jaxdahl`
`17:07.53`	`jaxdahl`	`it already happened in 1.12.1`
`17:07.53`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`so many misinformed people that have no clue when or why the riding change is happening`
`17:07.57`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`yeah`
`17:07.57`	`TS\|Skrom`	`Qzot good question, but he started asking for help last night`
`17:08.00`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`people think it's happening in bc`
`17:08.14`	`Qzot`	`TS: So he can see your addon in the list of addons in the addon frame of login?`
`17:08.14`	`jaxdahl`	`yea when i first heard about it a few weeks ago i thought it would happen in TBC`
`17:08.20`	`TS\|Skrom`	`He said he could`
`17:08.30`	`TS\|Skrom`	`I just posted up four pictures showing what he should expect to see`
`17:08.35`	`cogwheel`	`So, I was on yesterday when Warla gave the URL for the beta of her wowledgebase addon... I clicked it, and got "server not found", and now i don't know what the URL was... does anyone remember?`
`17:08.37`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`well originally they said they were doing it in the future, then it was done on the ptr`
`17:08.45`	`TS\|Skrom`	`One at the addons folder, one inside MY addon folder, once at the addons screen and once after character loads`
`17:09.01`	`Qzot`	`Create a simple "/run" command to print something to chat if some global your addon creates exists.`
`17:09.23`	`TS\|Skrom`	`if the addon loads it already prints out some loading messages`
`17:09.25`	`Mery`	`I dunno, but I have the feeling any changes to stuff thats already in game will come before release of TBC to minimize the possibility of extended downtimes after`
`17:09.29`	`TS\|Skrom`	`Skrom's Totem Timers Loaded`
`17:09.29`	`Qzot`	`I.e. "/run ChatFrame1:AddMessage(tostring(MyAddonGlobal))`
`17:09.41`	`TS\|Skrom`	`and lists out what some variables are set at`
`17:10.07`	`Qzot`	`More information is more information, imho.`
`17:10.13`	`Qzot`	`Test your assumptions.`
`17:10.27`	`TS\|Skrom`	`he's not getting those messages... lemme check something`
`17:10.46`	`Cide`	`so, he didn't unzip`
`17:10.56`	`TS\|Skrom`	`those messages queue off of variables loaded so they should be coming up every time`
`17:11.02`	`TS\|Skrom`	`he`
`17:11.05`	`Cairenn`	`http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=28548032&sid=1 is the US equivalent`
`17:11.09`	`TS\|Skrom`	`sounding more and more like it Cide lol`
`17:12.23`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`I love people who think they know better than anyone else: http://www.wowwiki.com/User_talk:Hyde_v`
`17:13.59`	`jaxdahl`	`yea i saw that kirkburn`
`17:14.03`	`jaxdahl`	`you did the right thing`
`17:14.23`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`I mean, I even added smilies :/`
`17:15.10`	`zenzelezz`	`all this time I've been going through the Interface Options to lock/unlock the actionbars... suddenly I notice there's a key binding for it :-o`
`17:15.46`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`There is?!`
`17:15.56`	`Qzot`	`Kirkburn: Can you please correct his grammar on that page?`
`17:16.09`	`zenzelezz`	`Kirkburn\|Vista: "Toggle Actionbar Lock", second last in the "Action Bar Functions" group`
`17:16.09`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`hehe`
`17:16.14`	`Qzot`	`Kirkburn: The correct usage is, I believe, "nevertheless", not "never the less".`
`17:16.19`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`indeedy`
`17:16.31`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`zenzelezz, useful to know :)`
`17:16.39`	`zenzelezz`	`saves me a lot of time`
`17:16.55`	`Qzot`	`It hertz my ayes to sea it spelt that weigh.`
`17:16.58`	`zenzelezz`	`nothing like dragging Last Stand off the bar instead of casting it`
`17:18.26`	`Qzot`	`Anyone get anything to the beta invite email address?`
`17:18.41`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`Qzot, http://www.wowwiki.com/User_talk:Hyde_v#Suggestion :P`
`17:19.26`	`Mikk`	`Ouch`
`17:19.55`	`Qzot`	`Hmm. Has something changed in the last few minutes?`
`17:19.55`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`He asked for it ;)`
`17:19.55`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`Qzot, I responded`
`17:20.00`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`oh man`
`17:20.04`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i can't wait for stormcrow form`
`17:20.14`	`Qzot`	`Oh. I needed to refresh.`
`17:20.46`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`imagine shfiting out of stormcrow, going bear, dropping onto ground enemies' heads, feral charging them, cycloning them, then flying off`
`17:20.47`	`Qzot`	`Isn't "spelt" a kind of wheat? It might be a variant of "spelled", too, can't remember...`
`17:20.58`	`Mikk`	`Yes`
`17:21.02`	`Mikk`	`It's wheat`
`17:21.20`	`Mikk`	`Pretty much favourless but good for people with allergies`
`17:21.29`	`Mikk`	`flavour*`
`17:21.45`	`Qzot`	`Kirkburn: How deliciously nasty of you.`
`17:21.57`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`hehe`
`17:22.09`	`Qzot`	`Mikk: HOW DARE YOU!`
`17:22.16`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`oh man bear missle is gonna be the greatest thing ever salivates`
`17:22.30`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`catching people midair on their flying mounts by feral charging them`
`17:22.33`	`Qzot`	`Mikk: DRUID NERF! What kind of communist are you???`
`17:22.48`	`Mikk`	`Not the tree hugging blueberry-up-my-arse kind ;)`
`17:23.05`	`Qzot`	`RAWR!`
`17:23.08`	`Mikk`	`hehe`
`17:23.39`	`Qzot`	`May there be 17 tier 2 stealthed cat durids behind you right now.`
`17:24.18`	`jaxdahl`	`hey on this page`
`17:24.19`	`jaxdahl`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Atiesh%2C_Greatstaff_of_the_Guardian`
`17:24.28`	`jaxdahl`	`'External Links' is too big a font`
`17:24.33`	`jaxdahl`	`know how to fix that`
`17:24.39`	`jaxdahl`	`under each class' version`
`17:25.20`	`Mikk`	`Myeah I've been thinking that the elinks* templates should be redone`
`17:25.27`	`Mikk`	`Some nice graphic perhaps ;)`
`17:26.01`	`warla`	`parent="Minimap" is the minimap`
`17:26.08`	`warla`	`whats the parent for the char info?`
`17:26.13`	`warla`	`thats in the top left corner?`
`17:26.19`	`Mikk`	`PlayerFrame iirc`
`17:26.26`	`Mikk`	`Get a copy of Iriel's DevTools`
`17:26.32`	`Mikk`	`You can mouse over frames and see their names and stuff`
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`17:27.59`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i've been waiting for 2 years to see the meaning of this phrase in blue text`
`17:28.02`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`"I think it has been pointed out by many players in this thread that there are quite a few new talents that are intended to improve the viability of balance and feral druids in raids.`
`17:28.10`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`jaxdahl, I've done a little bit on it to help, but the elinks thing does need working on cughMikkcough`
`17:28.49`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`(I actually played the Atiesh article even before I saw you bring it up :)`
`17:29.57`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`"To play an article." Noun. To print out an article , fashion it into a banjo, and join a Jazz orchestra.`
`17:30.29`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`(and now I'm making up new ways to define 'noun'. I give up)`
`17:31.06`	`Cairenn`	`Kirkburn\|Vista, dear, has anyone mentioned to you lately that you are a rather odd individual?`
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`17:31.53`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`The voices in my head tell me I'm perfectly normal :(`
`17:31.53`	`jaxdahl`	`i'm going to namemy son Kirkburn`
`17:32.01`	`jaxdahl`	`middle name: Vista`
`17:32.06`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`Poor child`
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`17:33.45`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`oh man`
`17:33.47`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`<Kirkburn\|Vista> "To play an article." Noun. To print out an article , fashion it into a banjo, and join a Jazz orchestra.`
`17:33.50`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`HAHAHAHA`
`17:34.26`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`"Not suitable for outdoor performances"`
`17:34.55`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i can't get a decent feral build with omen of clarity anymore`
`17:34.58`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`darnit`
`17:35.24`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`(Actually that probably applies to me as well as the banjo =)`
`17:37.27`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`hopefully they can scale the amount of points required for some talents down a bit :[`
`17:37.39`	`TS\|Skrom`	`Got an answer finally. He had the german and english clients installed and was loading the german. Unsure if it's because he only unzipped into the english or if it doesn't work in the german for some reason.`
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`17:40.09`	`Qzot`	`Mr_Rabies2: You're meaning after BC?`
`17:40.23`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i mean by the time bc hits`
`17:40.48`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`there's waaaay too many points required in each tree to get benefit out of it`
`17:41.03`	`Qzot`	`Hmm. I thought I was able to build a sweet tanking build.`
`17:41.24`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`it's hard to get at least semi-hybridized builds now`
`17:41.39`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`you have to really focus to get a good feral spec down, and that means losing NG, NW, and OoC`
`17:43.21`	`Qzot`	`<-- Decaffeinated. What are NG and NW?`
`17:44.50`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`nature's grasp and natural weapons`
`17:45.19`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`aka you can't get the feral-boosting talents in other trees anymore if you want to make use of the feral boosting stuff in the feral tree`
`17:46.38`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i just hope we won't be seeing forests of druids in the back of the line in hellfire citadel or anything`
`17:46.46`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`that would make me sad`
`17:47.31`	`Qzot`	`I find benefit in NW, but not NG.`
`17:47.43`	`Qzot`	`Which makes OoC expensive. I raid, don't pvp.`
`17:48.08`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`well`
`17:48.29`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`Nature's grasp is nice, but i don't use it enough because roots are the most unreliable cc ever`
`17:49.13`	`Qzot`	`I'm rarely outside.`
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`17:49.26`	`Xuerian`	`IMO, when in a group especially where you're MT'ing, with a brutality idol, most of the other tree's talents that aren't directly feral don't help much :P`
`17:49.43`	`Qzot`	`I like OoC.`
`17:50.18`	`Qzot`	`Althought I have to admit, when I'm tanking, I'm almost always full up on rage anyway.`
`17:50.19`	`Xuerian`	`Heya dreyruugr :P`
`17:50.21`	`Kirov`	`I always forget that Gello doesn't hang out here.`
`17:50.27`	`Xuerian`	`Yeah, Qzot.`
`17:50.27`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`omen of clarity helps a TON in tanking`
`17:50.33`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i tank, dps, and heal`
`17:50.43`	`dreyruugr`	`howdy`
`17:50.49`	`Qzot`	`I don't think I'm skilled enough yet to do that.`
`17:50.52`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`primary roles for any of them because i make the group accept me in those roles :P`
`17:51.03`	`Xuerian`	`Mr_Rabies: It's nice in 5-mans or even 10-man's but when you're holding aggro on something that'll kill you in two hits without thinking if you shift out, anything else isn't practical`
`17:51.03`	`Qzot`	`If I'm tanking, I can't seem to pop to caster form without dying.`
`17:51.23`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`what is, Xuerian?`
`17:51.30`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`omen?`
`17:51.36`	`Xuerian`	`Healing or DPSing`
`17:51.40`	`Xuerian`	`(I'm referring to tanking)`
`17:51.43`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`oh yeah definitely`
`17:51.59`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`when you're tanking, you're not doing anything but tanking until whatever you're tanking is dead`
`17:52.10`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i mean i don't focus on one directly`
`17:52.17`	`Xuerian`	`Yeah. =P`
`17:52.23`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`too many droods do`
`17:52.28`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`and they're terrible droods`
`17:52.36`	`jaxdahl`	`wiki is choking`
`17:52.36`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`however`
`17:52.42`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`if i'm tanking something that's stunnable`
`17:52.59`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i'll bash it, innervate the priest, and rejuv myself before shifting back in and continuing tankage`
`17:53.08`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`Here's an interesting thing - the Burning Crusade strategy guide release date is set for November 15th`
`17:53.12`	`Xuerian`	`Which usually means you're in a 5, 10, or trash 20, it's practical`
`17:53.32`	`Xuerian`	`Or offtanking, where all that is extremely useful`
`17:53.38`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`in 40 mans, no way will i leave bear midfight unless i'm tanking something temporarily`
`17:53.39`	`jaxdahl`	`kirkburn, what company?`
`17:53.47`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`that's just dumb :P`
`17:53.56`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`Brady Games`
`17:54.04`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`Same as th original WoW one`
`17:54.05`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`going from 12000 armor and 9000 hp to 2900 and 6000 or so`
`17:54.20`	`Xuerian`	`lol`
`17:54.59`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`if i'm tanking something elemental, i'll equip resist gear and tank it in cat form a lot of the time, in 20man and below`
`17:55.26`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`like incendius, he's not worthy of my bear awesomeness`
`17:55.30`	`Xuerian`	`Yeah. It's more fun tanking in lower instances anyway =P`
`17:55.40`	`Xuerian`	`Incendius isn't even worth feral form, Just killl him one on one, lol`
`17:56.03`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`well usually my reasoning is the faster we kill him the less healing i'll need, and if i'm in resist gear tanking i'm doing about 50 dps`
`17:56.12`	`Xuerian`	`Pop on your FR gear and play ring-around-the-roses with him`
`17:57.25`	`Xuerian`	`Otherwise yeah, no reason bear'ing up for it :P`
`17:58.10`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i can't do crap for dps in caster form`
`17:58.17`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i have like +30 to spell damage total`
`17:58.24`	`Xuerian`	`you don't need it :P`
`17:58.57`	`Xuerian`	`Just keep moonfire on him and hit him with a wrath whenever you get a chance, otherwise run around half the circle, past the anvil, jump the corner, and run around again. Repeat ad-infintum`
`17:59.31`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i just dps the hell out of him with 20 fr if i'm soloing him usually`
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`18:00.25`	`Xuerian`	`heheheh`
`18:01.14`	`Xuerian`	`Kirkburn\|Vista: You know you could go /ident/recover/release/nick/ident in your on-connect script to automatically get your nick back properly`
`18:01.35`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`I know, I just haven't set it up on this machine yet :P`
`18:01.41`	`Xuerian`	`:P`
`18:05.50`	`Kirov`	`table.maxn ?`
`18:05.53`	`Kirov`	`interesting function`
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`18:11.27`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`Well, I think I finally got that script working :P`
`18:11.40`	`Xuerian`	`Sorta :P`
`18:14.38`	`fatbrain`	`Is there padding support when outputting text, with lets say XXX_FRAME:AddMessage function?`
`18:14.49`	`fatbrain`	`(I want to output text in two aligned columns)`
`18:14.55`	`Iriel`	`Yes and no`
`18:14.55`	`fatbrain`	`hah!`
`18:15.00`	`fatbrain`	`mono-spaced font == yes ?`
`18:15.03`	`fatbrain`	`heh`
`18:15.05`	`Iriel`	`you can use string.format, but the font is generally proporionally spaced`
`18:15.11`	`Iriel`	`if you can FIND a monospaced font then there's hope`
`18:15.20`	`fatbrain`	`No mono-spaced font :(`
`18:15.26`	`cogwheel`	`i have one in MonoLua`
`18:15.32`	`cogwheel`	`it's been released to the public`
`18:15.42`	`fatbrain`	`cogwheel: is that an addon?`
`18:15.44`	`fatbrain`	`MonoLua?`
`18:15.48`	`cogwheel`	`yes...`
`18:15.59`	`fatbrain`	`I dont want a dependency just to get monospaced font.`
`18:16.00`	`cogwheel`	`i can get you a link to the font itself though...`
`18:16.07`	`fatbrain`	`indeeds`
`18:16.14`	`cogwheel`	`fatbrain: yes... open my addon, and take the font out of it ;)`
`18:16.15`	`fatbrain`	`still, too bad it breaks users normal game font`
`18:16.48`	`cogwheel`	`http://www.gnome.org/fonts/`
`18:24.03`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`man rolling around with a wsg team is fun as hell`
`18:24.11`	`Kirov`	`Anyone else having problems logging to the forums?`
`18:24.43`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`yep kir`
`18:25.58`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`Invalid account name or password`
`18:26.11`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`happened to me once before`
`18:26.24`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`took a few days and was working fine again`
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`18:33.39`	`jaxdahl`	`is the wiki not working properly?`
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`18:35.28`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`Phew, I thought it was me`
`18:36.33`	`Gello`	`yeah wiki down for me too. and can't log into ui forum`
`18:36.40`	`jaxdahl`	`hmm. it was linked on the wow forums`
`18:36.45`	`jaxdahl`	`that may be contributing to it`
`18:37.00`	`jaxdahl`	`http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=28577822&sid=1`
`18:38.11`	`cogwheel`	`we've been WoW dotted....`
`18:38.18`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`Palehoof ftw`
`18:40.57`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`Oooh, I didn't know this - forum threads are auto-locked at 500 posts`
`18:41.38`	`FISKER_Q`	`i remember when we betatested the forums and tried that`
`18:42.15`	`malreth`	`ah, the anti- /signed thread code`
`18:42.31`	`jaxdahl`	`Kirkburn\|Vista, yep and can be unlocked`
`18:42.53`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`jaxdahl, that's good`
`18:43.00`	`malreth`	`ack... my account renewal date must have been today... i can't log into the forums... bleh`
`18:43.14`	`Gello`	`i can't either malreth. and my renewal is in december`
`18:43.33`	`Kirov`	`Mine's in october ... and wtf? Gello`
`18:43.45`	`malreth`	`ooh... the world is ending then`
`18:43.47`	`Gello`	`oops cover blown!`
`18:43.49`	`malreth`	`it's the endtimes`
`18:44.14`	`Kirov`	`In the good news, wowace.com is finally back`
`18:44.14`	`malreth`	`those Jehovah Witnesses that came by my apartment WERE right after all!`
`18:44.17`	`Kirov`	`heh`
`18:44.19`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`haha`
`18:44.38`	`Qzot`	`Anyone see the blue moon last night?`
`18:45.06`	`Kirov`	`Qzot - I'm lucky to see the other side of the street most nights in the area I live in. So no.`
`18:45.40`	`malreth`	`ok... yeah... i'm up for repayment in feb 07...`
`18:46.10`	`Qzot`	`http://www.google.com/trends?q=blue+moon%2Cfull+moon`
`18:46.12`	`malreth`	`SOEMTING UP W TEH BLIZZ FORUMZ? NO WAI!!!11!`
`18:47.22`	`malreth`	`i so wanted to flame that "problem aiming at target" guy... oh well.`
`18:47.36`	`Qzot`	`O.O http://www.google.com/trends?q=wowwiki%2Ccurse-gaming&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all`
`18:47.46`	`Qzot`	`Way cool.`
`18:48.25`	`nevcairiel`	`haha, trends is cool`
`18:48.48`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`Qzot ..... WOW`
`18:48.57`	`Qzot`	`Yeah. Wow.`
`18:49.00`	`Kirov`	`http://www.google.com/trends?q=wowguru%2Cwowwiki&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all`
`18:49.04`	`malreth`	`look at all them Austin, TX people!`
`18:49.22`	`Kirov`	`Norway?`
`18:49.29`	`Qzot`	`More like Snorway.`
`18:49.48`	`Qzot`	`They've got lions and tigers, only in Kenya.`
`18:49.54`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`Although this is probably more representative - http://www.google.com/trends?q=wowwiki%2Ccurse+gaming&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all`
`18:50.06`	`Gello`	`i'm going to kenya`
`18:50.12`	`Gello`	`can you believe it`
`18:50.42`	`Qzot`	`Where the giraffes are, and the zebra?`
`18:50.43`	`Hexarobi`	`i wonder why curse's hits are so spikey`
`18:50.59`	`Qzot`	`I bet they line up with patch releases.`
`18:51.02`	`Hexarobi`	`ahh ya`
`18:51.09`	`Kirov`	`ooo, on the forums`
`18:51.48`	`Qzot`	`http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/kenya/`
`18:52.32`	`Gello`	`then http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/kenya+live afterwards`
`18:52.33`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`Um, soooo, Jack Thompson has gone crazy again. (http://www.joystiq.com/2006/09/27/jack-thompson-becomes-boring/)`
`18:52.47`	`Hexarobi`	`http://www.google.com/trends?q=chuck+norris%2C+waffles&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all`
`18:53.10`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`See, we brits produce the best cartoonists :P`
`18:54.12`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`(having said that, I'v just started watching Family Guy :D )`
`18:56.08`	`jaxdahl`	`hmm`
`18:56.12`	`jaxdahl`	`i'm contributing to austin`
`18:56.18`	`Hexarobi`	`ditto`
`18:56.24`	`jaxdahl`	`cool. where are you at?`
`18:56.30`	`jaxdahl`	`i'm up by parmer and metric`
`18:56.36`	`malreth`	`i'm on the UT Campus`
`18:56.39`	`Hexarobi`	`denton, but i searched for my plugin on curse when i was visiting my sis in austin ;)`
`18:56.55`	`krka`	`cool, i'm on 12th, just outside the center you know`
`18:57.06`	`malreth`	`jaxdahl: you at work?`
`18:57.09`	`Hexarobi`	`was down there for ACL`
`18:57.26`	`Hexarobi`	`flaming lips rocked ass`
`18:57.53`	`malreth`	`purl, emulate Hexarobi is <reply>flaming lips rocked ass`
`18:57.54`	`purl`	`okay, malreth`
`18:58.01`	`malreth`	`grats, Hex`
`18:58.12`	`Mery`	`lol google trends is funny to play with, is every peak a patch day? http://www.google.com/trends?q=ctmod&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all`
`18:58.22`	`jaxdahl`	`yes i am at work`
`18:58.46`	`Kirov`	`Mery - I'd guess so`
`18:58.58`	`malreth`	`Mery: I count 12 spikes... interesting`
`18:59.02`	`Hexarobi`	`what does that mean? ;)`
`18:59.02`	`jaxdahl`	`http://www.google.com/trends?q=ctmod%2C+curse+gaming%2C+warcraft+patch&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all`
`18:59.34`	`Kirov`	`that looks like a yes`
`18:59.48`	`Mery`	`yeah thats definatly a yes`
`19:00.15`	`Qzot`	`http://www.google.com/trends?q=zomg%2Cnaxx&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all`
`19:00.50`	`Qzot`	`norris cancer,zomg`
`19:00.52`	`jaxdahl`	`http://www.google.com/trends?q=burning+crusade%2C+cockatrice%2C+elekk&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all`
`19:00.56`	`Qzot`	`http://www.google.com/trends?q=norris+cancer%2Czomg&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all`
`19:01.10`	`Kirov`	`http://www.google.com/trends?q=world+of+warcraft%2Cboobies&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all - proof that wow > porn`
`19:01.21`	`zenzelezz`	`pfft`
`19:01.25`	`zenzelezz`	`they can coexist`
`19:01.34`	`Kirov`	`http://www.google.com/trends?q=world+of+warcraft%2Cporn&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all`
`19:01.49`	`Qzot`	`Sorry, dude...`
`19:01.52`	`Qzot`	`http://www.google.com/trends?q=sex%2Cporn%2Cwow%2Cwarcraft&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all`
`19:02.35`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`hehe`
`19:02.50`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`Xmas is evidently a 'popular time'`
`19:03.58`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`I'm a bit worried about Cairo, India and Turkey though, them seem to be worryingly high up`
`19:04.57`	`jaxdahl`	`http://www.google.com/trends?q=draenei%2C+eredar%2C+new+race%2C+blood+elf&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all`
`19:05.19`	`Mery`	`world cup > sex at least when it's on tv: http://www.google.com/trends?q=sex%2Cworld+cup&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all`
`19:06.33`	`jaxdahl`	`look how e3 blows it away`
`19:06.34`	`jaxdahl`	`http://www.google.com/trends?q=burning+crusade%2C+e3&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all`
`19:07.22`	`Mikma`	`http://www.whoresofwarcraft.com/home.php`
`19:07.30`	`Qzot`	`Holiday spikes, without referring to the name of the holiday:`
`19:07.33`	`Qzot`	`http://www.google.com/trends?q=gift%2Cturkey%2Ccostume%2Cfireworks%2Cbunny&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all`
`19:07.49`	`Qzot`	`Subtitle: What we associated with certain holidays.`
`19:08.26`	`jaxdahl`	`http://www.google.com/trends?q=patch+1.9%2C+ctmod&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all`
`19:08.29`	`jaxdahl`	`http://www.google.com/trends?q=patch+1.10%2C+ctmod&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all`
`19:08.32`	`jaxdahl`	`http://www.google.com/trends?q=patch+1.11%2C+ctmod&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all`
`19:08.36`	`jaxdahl`	`http://www.google.com/trends?q=patch+1.12%2C+ctmod&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all`
`19:09.19`	`Cide`	`almost beat patch 1.10 :)`
`19:10.20`	`jaxdahl`	`hmm. looks like 1.3->1.4 didn't break ctmod`
`19:10.34`	`Qzot`	`I have created a ... monster.`
`19:11.07`	`jaxdahl`	`can you see what game this is?`
`19:11.09`	`jaxdahl`	`http://www.google.com/trends?q=patch+1.2&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all`
`19:11.51`	`jaxdahl`	`i know what game it is :)`
`19:12.06`	`jaxdahl`	`add <game name> patch after a comma`
`19:12.09`	`jaxdahl`	`to see if your guess is right`
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`19:13.32`	`jaxdahl`	`http://www.google.com/trends?q=windows+98%2C+windows+2000%2C+windows+2003%2C+windows+xp%2C+windows+vista&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all`
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`19:15.58`	`grr`	`does table.sort in lua sort only indexed tables?`
`19:16.15`	`Cide`	`yes`
`19:16.25`	`Cide`	`integer indiced tables`
`19:16.33`	`grr`	`ok and you can't sort anything else?`
`19:16.44`	`Cide`	`not with table.sort`
`19:16.50`	`grr`	`ok so i gotta do it by hand then`
`19:17.05`	`grr`	`not even: table.sort(table, mycmpfunc) works?`
`19:17.09`	`grr`	`for other tables?`
`19:17.26`	`Gello`	`if table is numerically indexed it'll work`
`19:17.30`	`grr`	`or well string indexed tables, fuck so tired ;<`
`19:17.44`	`grr`	`ok but otherwise it wont so i gotta write my own sort routine?`
`19:17.58`	`Cide`	`if you have anything but integer indices, it doesn't know what index is the first one, and thus not how it should sort`
`19:18.25`	`Cide`	`and it'd have to change all of them to integer indices anyway to be able to guarantee an order`
`19:18.31`	`Gello`	`you may find it faster to create a numerically-indexed table and then table.sort`
`19:18.35`	`Cide`	`so if you want that, just change your table to use integer indices and you're fine`
`19:18.50`	`grr`	`hmm ok`
`19:18.51`	`Gello`	`lots of mods that pull hash table data to a FauxScrollFrameTemplate do that`
`19:19.18`	`cladhaire`	`Hello Gello!`
`19:19.20`	`Gello`	`make sure to reuse the same table when you populate it to avoid garbage creation. table.setn(myTable,0), etc`
`19:19.21`	`Gello`	`heya`
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`19:20.39`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Shyva (n=n0time@sd511586e.adsl.wanadoo.nl)`
`19:21.04`	`Gello`	`the newest SCT includes cooldowns?`
`19:26.21`	`Iriel`	`The only 'ordered thing' that lua has is an integer indexed table, unless you want to roll your own linked lists`
`19:28.14`	`malreth`	`move faster!`
`19:30.14`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`Haha, the latest weeble creation is great :)`
`19:30.17`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`*weebl`
`19:30.47`	`cogwheel`	`The rest of my work day is now devoted to wishing I were home... my new computer hardware came today...`
`19:30.56`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`oooh, cool`
`19:32.28`	`Xuerian`	`Ooo, what did you get?`
`19:33.32`	`cogwheel`	`intel E6600, 4gb ram, geforce 7900gt (one each for me and my wife)`
`19:34.03`	`warla`	`quick question`
`19:34.12`	`warla`	`in game when i type /played i see the time played`
`19:34.23`	`warla`	`is it possible to trigger that /played from within lua code?`
`19:34.28`	`Gello`	`yeah`
`19:34.29`	`malreth`	`yes`
`19:34.41`	`warla`	`whats the function called? any clue?`
`19:34.47`	`Shadowed`	`check wiki :p`
`19:34.53`	`cogwheel`	`oooh... warla, i'm glad you're back... I was never able to get to wowledgebase's beta test last night... could you link the url again? (last night it said server down)`
`19:35.02`	`warla`	`sure sec`
`19:35.12`	`warla`	`but let me upload newest version of the mod first`
`19:35.12`	`cogwheel`	`tyvm :)`
`19:35.18`	`warla`	`it became kickass :-)`
`19:35.25`	`warla`	`lotsa bugs fixes`
`19:35.26`	`Gello`	`wiki wicked slow for me atm and not at my windows pc so not sure :( for slash commands you can check the framexml\chatframe.lua to see the function they call`
`19:35.31`	`malreth`	`you call whatever function it is and you catch the event that will come sometime later, warla`
`19:35.43`	`malreth`	`i think it's RequestTimePlayed()`
`19:35.50`	`warla`	`ahh ok let me check`
`19:36.30`	`warla`	uhh wowwiki somewhat ... slow?`
`19:36.38`	`cogwheel`	`it got wowdotted earlier`
`19:36.44`	`warla`	`heh`
`19:36.46`	`cogwheel`	`palehoof posted about it in General`
`19:36.47`	`Shadowed`	`yeah it's RequestTimePlayed();`
`19:36.47`	`Xuerian`	`Nice, cogwheel :P`
`19:37.37`	`warla`	`k let me check my mod 1 more time and i'll send ya link to it :-)`
`19:37.44`	`cogwheel`	`ok :)`
`19:37.49`	`AnduinLothar`	`what got wowdotted, the mount page?`
`19:38.00`	`jaxdahl`	`just the main page`
`19:38.11`	`AnduinLothar`	`blue post it or soemthing?`
`19:38.15`	`cogwheel`	`Xuerian: not quite top of the line, but damn close enough i'm not gonna complain ;)`
`19:38.22`	`jaxdahl`	`MVP post`
`19:38.34`	`Xuerian`	`cogwheel: I'd say damn close =P.`
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`19:41.24`	`cogwheel`	`Way to double-post, Iriel :P`
`19:41.45`	`Iriel`	`Where?`
`19:42.00`	`cogwheel`	`http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=28327603&sid=1#14`
`19:42.23`	`cogwheel`	`gotta love buggy forums...`
`19:42.28`	`Iriel`	`Stupid forum!`
`19:42.31`	`Iriel`	`Fixed, thanks 8-)`
`19:42.31`	`warla`	`ok`
`19:42.34`	`warla`	`heres the link:`
`19:42.35`	`warla`	`http://www.wowledgebase.com/wowprofiles.html`
`19:42.40`	`cogwheel`	`Yay!`
`19:42.44`	`warla`	`tell me when you downloaded and installed the mod :-)`
`19:42.47`	`Gello`	`i don't think there'll be a PTR :( general forum says closed beta hasn't started (thread may be old however), and places like ebworld posted a 11/28 ship date this week`
`19:43.13`	`cogwheel`	`here's a cookie http://www.nothingbutcrumbs.com/images/cookie_care.jpg`
`19:43.27`	`Mikma`	`warla: Firefox can't find the server at www.wowledgebase.com. :(`
`19:43.40`	`DrDre`	`mine either`
`19:43.43`	`cogwheel`	`Mikma: i had that problem last night`
`19:43.51`	`cogwheel`	`did you change hosts, warla?`
`19:44.06`	`DrDre`	`test`
`19:44.07`	`DrDre`	`better`
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`19:44.43`	`DrDre`	`messing with colors on hydrairc >_>`
`19:45.41`	`warla`	`cogwheel nope why?`
`19:46.08`	`cogwheel`	`when you linked it last night, i got "server not found". it's working now, but Mikma & DrDre both said they're having problems`
`19:46.21`	`DrDre`	`dnstools.com show a weird dns reply too`
`19:46.25`	`AnduinLothar`	`mmm who wrote BuyUmAll?`
`19:46.25`	`warla`	`yea was dopwn couple hours`
`19:46.31`	`cogwheel`	`AnduinLothar: i did...`
`19:46.39`	`Mikma`	`hmm i don't remember linking it :P`
`19:46.45`	`warla`	`Mikma`
`19:46.50`	`DrDre`	`wowledgebase.com resolves to wowledgebase.com.`
`19:46.50`	`warla`	`get newest version :-)`
`19:46.57`	`AnduinLothar`	`thought so. did you make your own StackSplitFrame?`
`19:47.04`	`cogwheel`	`yes`
`19:47.13`	`DrDre`	`that sites DNS is screwed up`
`19:47.14`	`Mikma`	`warla: prettymuch useless since my server is down :)`
`19:47.14`	`AnduinLothar`	`cool. i'm yoinking your code`
`19:47.24`	`warla`	`http://www.wowledgebase.com/wowprofiles.html <-- Mikma`
`19:47.39`	`Mikma`	`warla: Firefox can't find the server at www.wowledgebase.com.`
`19:47.50`	`cogwheel`	`AnduinLothar: permission granted`
`19:47.52`	`Xuerian`	`Same.`
`19:47.52`	`cogwheel`	`:P`
`19:47.57`	`DrDre`	`mikma: its not firefox's problem, its the sites problem`
`19:47.58`	`warla`	`ohh and since my mod is still in beta version (late beta now ;-) ) it'll spam a ton crap in the chat messages...`
`19:48.15`	`Mikma`	`DrDre: pff, i copypasted it from firefox.. d'oh`
`19:48.16`	`warla`	`i couldnt access the site yetsterday for couple hours`
`19:48.19`	`warla`	`seems to work now`
`19:48.32`	`AnduinLothar`	`well not exactly yoinking, i have to rewrite most of it`
`19:48.38`	`AnduinLothar`	`but you get the idea`
`19:48.49`	`cogwheel`	`whacha making?`
`19:48.51`	`AnduinLothar`	`need a modified one that allows for '1ll' as an option`
`19:48.54`	`AnduinLothar`	`all*`
`19:49.11`	`AnduinLothar`	`BankManager`
`19:49.19`	`warla`	`http://darky28.dyndns.org/chris/wowprofiles/wowprofiles.zip <-- direct link from my laptop if you cannt access the other page`
`19:50.50`	`Mikma`	`http://slate.kaasu.org/desktop.jpg`
`19:51.17`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`I spy Windowblinds`
`19:51.52`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`DogmaX4, in fact`
`19:52.28`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`wuts the 1.12.1 TOC version ?`
`19:52.32`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`Same`
`19:52.34`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`No change`
`19:52.38`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`11200`
`19:52.45`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`ah oke :p`
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`19:53.16`	`cogwheel`	`so... .warla...`
`19:53.20`	`*** part/#wowi-lounge Gello (n=gello@hmpdmehed51-pool2-a31.hmpdme.tds.net)`
`19:53.23`	`cogwheel`	`what do i do to get it to scan my char?`
`19:53.26`	`cogwheel`	`XD`
`19:53.49`	`Mikma`	`press the button`
`19:53.52`	`warla`	`see on your character info`
`19:53.57`	`warla`	`the button`
`19:54.00`	`warla`	`looks like a owl`
`19:54.05`	`warla`	`click that one`
`19:54.09`	`cogwheel`	`oh... yeah... ok :)`
`19:54.20`	`warla`	`you can even move that button around`
`19:54.28`	`warla`	`:-)`
`19:54.57`	`warla`	`then a window should pop open that tells you what to do ^^`
`19:55.21`	`cogwheel`	`yep... got it :)`
`19:55.41`	`cogwheel`	`(great... now the raid leader will know i'm only up to 145 first aid... lol)`
`19:55.59`	`cogwheel`	`woah nelly...`
`19:56.14`	`cogwheel`	`leatherworking caused some problems`
`19:56.34`	`cogwheel`	`it did a HUGE number of rescans, froze the screen, and finally stopped... server lag maybe?`
`19:56.42`	`zenzelezz`	`how come you only have 145 first aid? Leveling it is dirt easy, and hardly expensive`
`19:57.31`	`warla`	`perhaps`
`19:57.35`	`warla`	`try to click reload`
`19:57.38`	`warla`	`and start over`
`19:57.45`	`warla`	`it shuldnt cause any probs on tradeskills`
`19:57.54`	`warla`	`unless server is really borked`
`19:58.04`	`AnduinLothar`	`oh btw cog i'm lookign at your code: <Texture file="Interface\AddOns\BuyEmAll\StackFrame.tga">`
`19:58.12`	`AnduinLothar`	`you dont need the ".tga"`
`19:58.18`	`cogwheel`	`zenzelezz: this char was my "together" char with my wife... we're a mage/lock pair, and she always did the first aid for us`
`19:58.48`	`cogwheel`	`warla: our server just got its hardware upgrade yesterday, so it may just have been slow loading my data since it was my first login since monday`
`19:58.48`	`AnduinLothar`	`if you dont add the suffix it'll use blp, then tga`
`19:58.54`	`zenzelezz`	`fair enough I guess. I could never live without first aid though =)`
`19:59.14`	`AnduinLothar`	`lern2palladin`
`19:59.21`	`warla`	`cogwheel propably`
`19:59.31`	`warla`	`did the reload button + retry work?`
`19:59.49`	`cogwheel`	`it actually ended up working eventually`
`20:00.18`	`AnduinLothar`	`cogwheel, how is your StackFrame diff than the blizz one?`
`20:00.23`	`cogwheel`	`http://www.wowledgebase.com/index.php?id=26`
`20:00.49`	`warla`	`nice :-)`
`20:00.59`	`warla`	`and how ya like the mod/upload thingy? :-)`
`20:01.23`	`cogwheel`	`AnduinLothar: mostly just that it has a couple extra buttons. I also used a different texture for most of the frame except the box because they kinda borked it when they added the box`
`20:01.36`	`cogwheel`	`warla: worked great :)`
`20:01.38`	`AnduinLothar`	`how so?`
`20:01.53`	`cogwheel`	`open them up in an image program and compare side by side :)`
`20:02.00`	`AnduinLothar`	`doing that now`
`20:02.11`	`cogwheel`	`it's subtle, but i'm picky`
`20:02.25`	`cogwheel`	`also, it allows the window to grow if i ever add buttons.`
`20:02.27`	`zenzelezz`	`I find it amusing when we wait 20 minutes to retry Huhuran so the tanks' Shield Wall is back... then the main tank dies 3 seconds after she arrives`
`20:02.31`	`AnduinLothar`	`yours is a tad taller and has a wide alpha on the right`
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`20:03.02`	`AnduinLothar`	`spose they both have the alpha`
`20:03.29`	`AnduinLothar`	`all i see is hight then`
`20:03.54`	`cogwheel`	`like i said, it's subtle... ;)`
`20:04.17`	`cogwheel`	`it's mostly around the border, some strange pixelation`
`20:04.17`	`AnduinLothar`	`erm..`
`20:04.36`	`Kirov`	`zenzelezz - sounds about right`
`20:04.36`	`AnduinLothar`	`do i need to zoom in 4x?`
`20:04.49`	`Kirov`	`zenzelezz - wait for 20 minutes, pull, all the priests are afk`
`20:04.58`	`cogwheel`	`you souldn't... i can see it at 1x`
`20:05.04`	`cogwheel`	`s/so/sho/`
`20:05.20`	`AnduinLothar`	`i zoomed in 4x and i still dont see anythign`
`20:05.22`	`zenzelezz`	`Kirov: well, the sad part is they managed to press "Ready" on the ready check`
`20:06.51`	`Kaso`	`What the fuck, a post by a CM on EU forums saying they'd refund those who got screwed with the mounts, now the post has been deleted and appariently the CM has edited a player's subsiquent post`
`20:07.06`	`JoshBorke`	`Kaso: US GM said they wouldn't`
`20:07.17`	`cogwheel`	`AnduinLothar: You're comparing UI-MoneyFrame.blp and UI-MoneyFrame2.blp?`
`20:07.23`	`zenzelezz`	`mounts got screwed?`
`20:07.23`	`JoshBorke`	`so rather than please the wowbase by following the EU GM, they decide to go back and undo what the EU GM said...`
`20:07.33`	`warla`	`how do i click a button from within lua? wowprofiles_IconFrame <-- button var.. is there a wowprofiles_IconFrame:Click() or something?`
`20:07.34`	`cogwheel`	`if you use BLPViewer, you can switch back and forth between them`
`20:07.39`	`JoshBorke`	`zenzelezz: if you purchased your epic mount before hitting 60, you get screwed`
`20:07.54`	`zenzelezz`	`ouch`
`20:08.12`	`zenzelezz`	`so you end up paying twice as much to be able to use it then? 900 for mount, 900 for skill?`
`20:08.17`	`JoshBorke`	`yea`
`20:08.26`	`Kaso`	`that is the stupidest decsion ever, even worse that they tried cover it up`
`20:08.50`	`zenzelezz`	`I didn't even see mention of the mount changes in the patch notes on my patcher`
`20:09.15`	`Kaso`	`they werent there, which added to the problem`
`20:09.47`	`cogwheel`	`warla, if your site sees the same char from the same realm, will it update the data or create a new one?`
`20:12.54`	`warla`	`update`
`20:13.00`	`warla`	`so the id stays`
`20:13.33`	`AnduinLothar`	`cogwheel> i was comparing UI-MoneyFrame.blp with yours.`
`20:14.32`	`cogwheel`	`AnduinLothar: heh... you're using an old version`
`20:14.42`	`cogwheel`	`really old...`
`20:14.43`	`AnduinLothar`	`old version of what?`
`20:14.47`	`cogwheel`	`buyemall`
`20:14.59`	`AnduinLothar`	`yeah probably`
`20:15.37`	`AnduinLothar`	`v1.8`
`20:16.21`	`cogwheel`	`I changed the way it was rendered in v1.11.1`
`20:16.40`	`cogwheel`	`it's up to 2.2 now`
`20:16.43`	`AnduinLothar`	`alrighty then`
`20:17.09`	`cogwheel`	`the new one is more reusable because the frame can be made any size you want and still look right`
`20:17.19`	`AnduinLothar`	`ah ok`
`20:17.22`	`cogwheel`	`s/size/height/`
`20:18.23`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge MentalPower_ (i=chatzill@host-70-45-82-92.onelinkpr.net)`
`20:18.33`	`AnduinLothar`	`did you ace it?`
`20:19.14`	`cogwheel`	`in 2.0, yes`
`20:19.18`	`AnduinLothar`	`meh`
`20:19.34`	`cogwheel`	`but the frame hasn't changed much since 1.11`
`20:24.30`	`Mikma`	`http://slate.kaasu.org/mspaintrox3.png`
`20:25.39`	`Beladona`	`I don't get it`
`20:25.46`	`cogwheel`	`gnome druid?`
`20:26.02`	`Beladona`	`face paint?`
`20:26.25`	`nevcairiel`	`from the weapon its a priest`
`20:27.01`	`Beladona`	`looks like a gnome, with the skin color and pace paint of an NE`
`20:27.12`	`Beladona`	`s/pace/face`
`20:27.26`	`Beladona`	`s/pace/face/`
`20:27.46`	`nevcairiel`	`haha`
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`20:46.21`	`Hexarobi`	`anyone know how to zoom yer camera in without a mousewheel on a mac?`
`20:46.42`	`JoshBorke`	`use windows?`
`20:46.56`	`AnduinLothar`	`should be default`
`20:47.00`	`AnduinLothar`	`oh`
`20:47.04`	`AnduinLothar`	`w/o a mousewheel`
`20:47.07`	`zenzelezz`	`isn't there a keybinding?`
`20:47.13`	`AnduinLothar`	`you'll ahve to set the keybinding`
`20:47.21`	`AnduinLothar`	`or buy a new mouse`
`20:47.50`	`Hexarobi`	`no default keybinding? k`
`20:47.54`	`AnduinLothar`	`+/- is a good option`
`20:48.18`	`MentalPower_`	`page up/down?`
`20:48.19`	`AnduinLothar`	`pageup/down is default to the zoom stops`
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`20:59.31`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`Thw wowwiki is back btw`
`20:59.34`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`*The`
`21:00.25`	`abug`	`good stuff`
`21:05.13`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`Here's how I passed the time whilst it was down - http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/space+is+fun/`
`21:07.41`	`Gryphen`	`o.O`
`21:10.13`	`Xuerian`	`0.o`
`21:10.26`	`Qzot`	`^..^`
`21:10.31`	`Kaso`	`has anyone seen any Tradeskill changes this patch? my addon is now causing Client lockups on TRADESKILL_UPDATE`
`21:12.46`	`Kaso`	`http://pastey.net/1166 is the code`
`21:18.08`	`Qzot`	`Hexarobi: I think there's a camera view change API call. You could call it directly.`
`21:18.57`	`Gryphen`	`I always have gotten lockups from tradeskill scanning in chracterprofiler after patches. I can open 2 trades in a session, the 3rd hangs, but usually recovers after a while.`
`21:19.48`	`cogwheel\|away`	`i had the same experience about an hour ago...`
`21:19.51`	`Gryphen`	`After they have all been scanned after a patch, i can open and close em all day without issue.`
`21:19.57`	`Kaso`	`hmm`
`21:20.03`	`cogwheel\|away`	`i got warla's beta character scanner, and it froze up on the thrid trade window i opened`
`21:20.58`	`cogwheel`	`s/trade/tradeskill/`
`21:21.22`	`Gryphen`	`nick change heh`
`21:22.10`	`Qzot`	`MentalPower: Was that you who responded to http://auctioneeraddon.com/trac/ticket/1041 ?`
`21:23.47`	`Qzot`	`MentalPower: ping`
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`21:26.38`	`Cide`	`hmh, can hunters use throwing weapons?`
`21:26.55`	`ckknight`	`hey all`
`21:27.08`	`Kirov`	`Cide -yes`
`21:27.15`	`Cide`	`thanks`
`21:27.16`	`Kirov`	`Though I don't know of a single hunter who does`
`21:27.32`	`JoshBorke`	`heh, watch a hunter aimed shot with a throwing weapon`
`21:30.08`	`Kaso`	`For some reason TRADE_SKILL_UPDATE is calling like a million times when i open a window, is that cos the server just came up and i just logged on`
`21:36.06`	`Kaso`	`my new mount, i call him Bouncy: http://kasoo.net/img/imgs/bouncy.jpg`
`21:37.34`	`nevcairiel`	`you cheat :)`
`21:40.34`	`Kaso`	`:>`
`21:41.20`	`nevcairiel`	`i want a raptor`
`21:41.25`	`nevcairiel`	`too bad i am nightelf.`
`21:41.40`	`Kirov`	`nevcairiel - there's always zg`
`21:41.49`	`nevcairiel`	`never seen that thing drop`
`21:41.53`	`nevcairiel`	`tiger twice`
`21:41.57`	`nevcairiel`	`no raptor yet`
`21:42.01`	`Kirov`	`I haven't ever seen any mount drop`
`21:42.21`	`Kaso`	`me nither`
`21:42.35`	`Kirov`	`I was exaulted before I ever saw the Hakari main hand or Fang of the Faceless drop.`
`21:42.41`	`Kirov`	`Which were the two things I wanted`
`21:42.47`	`nevcairiel`	`heh`
`21:42.56`	`Kaso`	`ive still never seen Zinroth or whatever its called`
`21:43.10`	`nevcairiel`	`destroyer of worlds?`
`21:43.17`	`Kaso`	`yah`
`21:43.26`	`nevcairiel`	`that 2h, isnt it?`
`21:43.30`	`Kirov`	`That's all I ever see`
`21:43.38`	`zenzelezz`	`yes nev`
`21:44.09`	`nevcairiel`	`that drops quite often`
`21:44.16`	`nevcairiel`	`for us, anyway`
`21:44.51`	`zenzelezz`	`all I see is the neck`
`21:45.02`	`nevcairiel`	`heh, even i have that, being a druid`
`21:45.09`	`nevcairiel`	`resto druid :P`
`21:45.37`	`Esamynn`	`TREE FORM!!! =D`
`21:46.16`	`nevcairiel`	`and the gloves are quite common`
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`22:02.29`	`jaxdahl`	`well`
`22:02.35`	`jaxdahl`	`i have a list of all the mounts you can get in the game`
`22:02.44`	`jaxdahl`	`and the riding skill they require`
`22:03.40`	`Miravlix`	`Any supprises?`
`22:03.50`	`Miravlix`	`Drop = 75, AV 150`
`22:03.57`	`Miravlix`	`PvP Rank 75`
`22:04.47`	`jaxdahl`	`wintersaber mount requires 75`
`22:05.06`	`Miravlix`	`I include that one as drop, even if it's handled differently`
`22:05.11`	`jaxdahl`	`winterspring rather`
`22:05.33`	`Qzot`	`Anyone ever seen a statistically valid test to determine whether loot drops in an instance are correlated with the party/raid leader at time of entrance?`
`22:05.45`	`jaxdahl`	`qzot, no`
`22:06.03`	`jaxdahl`	`should i make a page: List_of_Mounts`
`22:06.15`	`Miravlix`	`Without the code to blizzards random generator I don't think you can break it with statestics`
`22:06.21`	`jaxdahl`	`it will list every mount, who can ride them, cost, location to get it, riding skill required`
`22:06.24`	`Qzot`	`My guild believes it's related to raid leader, but I think it's just superstition.`
`22:07.22`	`Qzot`	`Miravlix: It would require a fair bit of data, but there are statistical tests one can perform to determine the likelihood that any skew is random, or is systematic.`
`22:07.47`	`jaxdahl`	`my theory is this - if you take the set of all drops, it will appear random`
`22:07.49`	`Miravlix`	`Yeah if there random generator is broken you can detect that`
`22:08.13`	`jaxdahl`	`but if you modulate it based on something you might find a streak`
`22:08.13`	`nevcairiel`	`Qzot: we started giving the L to some random raid member just for fun, and it feels like the drops changed. but not doing it long enough for stats.`
`22:08.15`	`Miravlix`	`Problem is it's used so much your in trouble getting a data sample`
`22:08.36`	`Miravlix`	`Just using raid leaders time of entry isn't going to work to get a sampling of the random generator`
`22:09.08`	`Qzot`	`Miravlix: ??`
`22:09.25`	`Miravlix`	`The random number generator is used by a million things in WoW`
`22:09.38`	`Miravlix`	`You don't have one single queue dedicated to boss loot`
`22:10.18`	`Qzot`	`My guild has a specific superstition: They believe loot is determined by whoever the raid leader is when the first person enters the instance. This specific theory is easy enough to test simply be recording who that person is, and listing the loot drops throughout the instance.`
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`22:10.50`	`Qzot`	`determined == used somehow as the random number seed.`
`22:11.09`	`nevcairiel`	`Qzot: we nailed it to the time you get assigned to the instance, so basicly first boss or in naxx first frozen rune looted.`
`22:11.12`	`JoshBorke`	`ord random number generators could just suck :-)`
`22:11.27`	`Qzot`	`Personally, I think this superstition is a bunch of hooey, but would like to have data to support my claim.`
`22:11.29`	`Miravlix`	`Why would Blizzard waist CPU on generating loot at dungoen creation`
`22:11.36`	`Miravlix`	`Instead of waiting until boss drops`
`22:12.07`	`Qzot`	`nevcairiel: Slightly different superstition, also testable with nearly the same data.`
`22:12.12`	`Miravlix`	`For big places the creation spike would be costly`
`22:12.42`	`Qzot`	`Miravlix: Agreed. But such speculation will not quell rumours.`
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`22:13.11`	`zenzelezz`	`"Onyxia DBs more!!"`
`22:13.19`	`nevcairiel`	`if i was blizzard, i would simply use the c++ random numbergenerator. why even care about making the loot dependant on anything. blue's stated in the forums that the loot is totally random.`
`22:13.41`	`Miravlix`	`If they used the C++ generator`
`22:13.54`	`Qzot`	`Miravlix: Furthermore, it is possible (no, I don't believe it, either, but we are speculating) that although the server does not actually compute the drops, they are essentially determined at that time by the creation of a random number seed which is then used for subsequent boss kills.`
`22:13.55`	`Miravlix`	`We would have programs to generate loot drop lists`
`22:13.55`	`zenzelezz`	`I think the reason people come up with these theories is because then they have someone or something to blame when "their loot" doesn't drop`
`22:14.08`	`jaxdahl`	`one superstition i also have is that bosses killed at nearly the same time in different instances are very likely to see the same loot`
`22:14.09`	`Miravlix`	`The C random function is EXTREAMLY simple`
`22:14.19`	`Miravlix`	`I know Blizzard use a more advanced system`
`22:14.28`	`jaxdahl`	`or if you kill it the same time at the same night each week, you're likely to see the same loot`
`22:14.30`	`Miravlix`	`It's pretty much a corner stone of WoW`
`22:15.10`	`Qzot`	`When it comes to pseudo-random numbers, "more advanced" ~= better. In fact, tried-and-true > your own.`
`22:15.16`	`zenzelezz`	`I have to agree with Mira, why bother making something depend on such weird stuff?`
`22:15.40`	`Miravlix`	`yeah, but C's random function is crap`
`22:15.44`	`Miravlix`	`It wouldn't work for WoW`
`22:15.56`	`JoshBorke`	`bye all`
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`22:16.04`	`Miravlix`	`We could predict things if it was used`
`22:16.10`	`Qzot`	`zenzelezz: I agree with you and Miravlix, but that doesn't prove that they're not. The attempt is called "proof by lack of counter-example", and is not normally considered valid.`
`22:16.26`	`zenzelezz`	`think they use something like the Mersienne twister or that sort of thing perhaps?`
`22:16.45`	`zenzelezz`	`however you spell it`
`22:16.45`	`Miravlix`	`I can't give ppeople a 10 year Computer Designer education in 3 lines`
`22:17.06`	`Qzot`	`Agreed.`
`22:17.06`	`Miravlix`	`But trust me what I say is fact if you had the knowglede to understand it.`
`22:17.45`	`Miravlix`	`Most of these rumors is simply lack of knowglede of how computers work.`
`22:17.58`	`Miravlix`	`They apply HUMAN logic to programming and that just doesn't work`
`22:18.04`	`Qzot`	`However, and I'll say it again, it should be theoretically possible to collect enough data to demonstrate, conclusively, that instance loot drops are uncorrelated with any suspected phenomena.`
`22:18.34`	`Miravlix`	`Thats the 15 year education`
`22:18.40`	`Miravlix`	`I only got the 6 year one. :p`
`22:19.06`	`Qzot`	`No, 6 years is enough. But you need the sadistics one, not the computer science once.`
`22:19.15`	`Qzot`	`s/sadistics/statistics/`
`22:19.25`	`Qzot`	`*one.`
`22:20.17`	`Miravlix`	`To me what your saying is what I read about in SciFi probability books`
`22:20.20`	`nevcairiel`	`And you possibly need all instance drops from the beginning of wow to get real accurate statistics.`
`22:20.36`	`Miravlix`	`It's not something thats part of todays posible science`
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`22:20.52`	`Miravlix`	`Like Roulette prediction due to it being slightly old`
`22:21.01`	`Miravlix`	`and therefor uneven`
`22:21.32`	`Miravlix`	`And with the roulette you have 100% of the data`
`22:21.51`	`jaxdahl`	`Raid1a: 1`
`22:21.51`	`jaxdahl`	`Raid1b: 2`
`22:21.51`	`jaxdahl`	`Raid1c: 3`
`22:21.51`	`jaxdahl`	`Raid2a: 3`
`22:21.52`	`jaxdahl`	`Raid2b: 2`
`22:21.52`	`jaxdahl`	`Raid2c: 1`
`22:22.10`	`Miravlix`	`With WoW you would have 0.0003% of the numbers generated and your using that to find if raid leader effects loot.`
`22:22.11`	`jaxdahl`	`1 2 3 are tiems`
`22:22.26`	`jaxdahl`	`raid group a sees item 1 and 3 in raid 1 & 2`
`22:22.31`	`Mery2`	`regarding roll hacks bu oh well: "WoW currently uses the IBAA pseudo-random number generation algorithm. We have a library of generators and can switch at any time if the need were to arise." http://blue.cardplace.com/cache/wow-general/1806053.htm`
`22:22.35`	`jaxdahl`	`raid group c sees item 3 and 1 in raid 1 and 2`
`22:22.52`	`jaxdahl`	`raid group b sees item 2 twice and goes 'wtf we got item 2, where is item 1 and 3? blizz sucks'`
`22:22.57`	`jaxdahl`	`but overall, the item distribution is even`
`22:23.27`	`zenzelezz`	`nice find Mery`
`22:23.39`	`Mery2`	`also : http://blue.cardplace.com/cache/wow-customer-service/39634.htm`
`22:24.56`	`Mery2`	`(but well they _might_ be lying or just not knowing what the programmer did ;P )`
`22:25.07`	`Qzot`	`Miravlix: For reasons I don't even pretend to understand, people who make their living with sadistics tell me that magic things happen when you get about 1500 data points. In our case, it seems that a Thottbotty type collecting of raid drops could produce 1500 data points in relatively short order. But then, where's the strong motivation to develop an infrastructure to destroy a pet superstition?`
`22:25.49`	`jaxdahl`	`yes it's 1500`
`22:25.55`	`Qzot`	`Mery2: Pseudo-randomness, like crytography, is amazingly easy to screw up.`
`22:25.58`	`jaxdahl`	`for +/- 3% error i believe`
`22:26.16`	`jaxdahl`	`it's the number that pollsters use to sample voters, etc`
`22:26.23`	`jaxdahl`	`usually 1500 or 3000`
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`22:26.29`	`jaxdahl`	`it has to do with standard deviation`
`22:26.34`	`Mery2`	`Qzot: oh I know :)`
`22:26.51`	`jaxdahl`	`but there are other things that can skew that when you look at pseudorandomness`
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`22:28.07`	`Qzot`	`Mery2: I just read a paper by Rivest on a new voting scheme. And I may end up with egg on my face, but it appeared to me that he had disregarded a trivial attack on his scheme.`
`22:28.23`	`Mery2`	`I also know of a friend who was like "If that group of tree mobs, consist of 2 warriors and 1 caster then there will be a libram of focus drop in DM west" he said it always worked for his guild`
`22:29.17`	`Qzot`	`Yeah. My guild has another one about not letting Sulfuron touch a certain wall, or he drops crap loot.`
`22:29.35`	`Miravlix`	`Abstract A sequence of new pseudorandom number generators are developed: IA, IBAA, and ISAAC. No efficient method is known for deducing their internal states. ISAAC requires an amortized 18.75 instructions to produce a 32-bit value. There are no cycles in ISAAC shorter than 240 values. The expected cycle length is 28295 values. Tests show that scaled-down versions of IBAA are unbiased for their entire cycle length. No proofs of security are given.`
`22:30.36`	`jaxdahl`	`why don't they use an hardware rng?`
`22:30.57`	`jaxdahl`	`i think i read a few years ago that intel was going to include a temperature diode on motherboards for use with RNGs`
`22:31.11`	`jaxdahl`	`i don't know where that went`
`22:31.20`	`jaxdahl`	`would be suitable to increase entropy`
`22:31.23`	`Qzot`	`Miravlix: Understood. Point?`
`22:31.45`	`Miravlix`	`Self explaining, I think`
`22:31.54`	`Miravlix`	`Your looking for Bias`
`22:31.56`	`jaxdahl`	`i also read a nice paper a few months ago about the RNG used in linux and where it gets its entropy from`
`22:32.02`	`Miravlix`	`IBAA was coded to not have one`
`22:32.03`	`Qzot`	`Yes.`
`22:32.18`	`Qzot`	`So, we agree that unbiased algorithms exist.`
`22:32.20`	`Miravlix`	`It's a well documented and known random number generation system with public C code`
`22:32.31`	`Qzot`	`Can you prove that Blizzard uses one, and uses it correctly?`
`22:32.41`	`Miravlix`	`People wastly smarter than the combined inteligence of all WoW players put together has checked it`
`22:32.50`	`nevcairiel`	`well, that bluepost said that they use IBAA`
`22:32.51`	`Qzot`	`Agreed.`
`22:32.54`	`Miravlix`	`And it still isn't enough to convince ppl it's okay.`
`22:32.59`	`jaxdahl`	`do you recall the Wi flag?`
`22:33.08`	`Qzot`	`Ah. That's the piece of data I was missing, nevcairiel.`
`22:34.08`	`Qzot`	`Blue stating that they use IBAA does (further) deprecate the suspicion in my mind. I agree that it's unlikely to convince large swaths of players.`
`22:35.21`	`Mery2`	`http://www.arandomnumber.com/`
`22:36.42`	`jaxdahl`	`Mikk, are you here?`
`22:39.14`	`jaxdahl`	`would it be possible to hash images to find duplicate images and prevent duplicate images from being uploaded?`
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`22:40.56`	`jaxdahl`	`Kirkburn\|Vista, yea, i think that horn of sargeras stuff should be deleted`
`22:41.03`	`jaxdahl`	`i haven't seen it mentioned elsewhere`
`22:41.23`	`jaxdahl`	`and the user that uploaded the info says it was datamined`
`22:41.48`	`jaxdahl`	`can someone do an ilevel calculation real quick? :p`
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`22:49.16`	`jaxdahl`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Kirkburn&diff=prev&oldid=264303`
`22:50.00`	`zenzelezz`	`does it matter whether a hunter uses a fast or slow bow?`
`22:50.23`	`JoshBorke`	`i think so`
`22:50.32`	`JoshBorke`	`i think hunters want a 3.0 speed bow?`
`22:50.48`	`zenzelezz`	`so slow rather than fast, for big hits?`
`22:51.20`	`Kirov`	`It's normalized now`
`22:51.33`	`Kirov`	`It used to be we wanted slow, not it doesn't matter as much.`
`22:51.36`	`JoshBorke`	`i honestly don't know anything about hunters :-)`
`22:51.39`	`Kirov`	`slow is still better though`
`22:51.42`	`Kirov`	`saves ammo`
`22:51.51`	`zenzelezz`	`that's a good point`
`22:52.17`	`cogwheel`	`Hunters want wands... what are you talking about?`
`22:52.22`	`cogwheel`	`XD`
`22:52.29`	`JoshBorke`	`i heard they like to melee`
`22:53.06`	`warla`	`where do i put the new version number so my mod wont be out of date?`
`22:53.08`	`Mikk`	`Hunters want slow bows for PvP because of the insane aimed shot impacts they can get`
`22:53.27`	`Kirov`	`Like I just said, hunters are nomalized`
`22:53.27`	`Mikk`	`PvE? Doesn't really matter... some argue that faster bows are better`
`22:53.45`	`Mikk`	`(Simply because they don't get insane crits and eat aggro as much)`
`22:53.54`	`Mikk`	`(Then again huntards have feign. Nerf huntards.)`
`22:53.56`	`Kirov`	`A 30 dps, 5.0 speed weapon hits for the same aimed shot as a 30 dps, 1.5 speed weapon`
`22:54.17`	`Mikk`	`Erm no I think you've misunderstood "normalized"`
`22:54.28`	`warla`	`## Interface: 10900 <-- this line needs to be changed right?`
`22:54.34`	`Mikk`	`Before the "nerf", you got a double bonus for having a slow weapon`
`22:54.43`	`cogwheel`	`warla: 11200`
`22:54.43`	`Mikk`	`1. You have a high damage range`
`22:54.47`	`Mikk`	`2. It was multiplied with the speed`
`22:54.50`	`Mikk`	`= INSANE numbers`
`22:54.54`	`JoshBorke`	`warla: yep`
`22:54.56`	`Mikk`	`Now you "only" have the high damage range`
`22:55.07`	`Mikk`	`So there's still a difference. It's just not as exponential.`
`22:55.15`	`Kirov`	`Mikk - which doesn't necessarily require a slow weapon`
`22:55.26`	`Mikk`	`It does`
`22:55.53`	`Mikk`	`A 50 dps weapon with a speed of 1.0 will hit for 50 on average`
`22:56.00`	`Mikk`	`A 50 dps weapon with a speed of 3.0 will hit for 150 on average.`
`22:56.05`	`Mikk`	`This matters not for autoshot.`
`22:56.11`	`Mikk`	`But it matters for instant attacks.`
`22:56.21`	`Kirov`	`Aimed shot is not an instant attack`
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`22:56.42`	`Mikk`	`Ok, I suck a bit at hunter skills.`
`22:56.45`	`Qzot`	`Most definitely not.`
`22:56.47`	`JoshBorke`	`lol`
`22:57.03`	`Mikk`	`s/aimed shot/all attacks using the weapon damage range in its math/`
`22:57.04`	`Qzot`	`I hate the lack of animation when I doing aimed attack. :P`
`22:57.19`	`Mikk`	`I'm just saying "instant" because that's what it is for warriors and rogues`
`22:57.20`	`cogwheel`	`Are there any?`
`22:57.34`	`Mikk`	`Most do`
`22:57.44`	`cogwheel`	`I thought all the things like stings, arcane shot, etc. use a damage number all their own...`
`22:57.59`	`Mery2`	`good night all`
`22:58.06`	`jaxdahl`	`mikk`
`22:58.08`	`Mikk`	`cogwheel: Base damage PLUS a damage of their own, usually`
`22:58.18`	`jaxdahl`	`i direct you to this page: http://www.wowwiki.com/Shu%27Gharaz%2C_Horn_of_Sargeras`
`22:58.23`	`jaxdahl`	`check the image and discussion`
`22:58.29`	`jaxdahl`	`and user discussion`
`22:58.51`	`jaxdahl`	`Azagoth is the user`
`22:59.40`	`Mikk`	`This looks a bit bullshit yes`
`22:59.43`	`Mikk`	`+100%crit and +100%hit`
`22:59.59`	`Mikk`	`At the very least it looks like something not intended for release :-P`
`23:00.04`	`jaxdahl`	`not percent`
`23:00.09`	`jaxdahl`	`remember they're changing stuff in TBC`
`23:00.11`	`jaxdahl`	`it's raiting`
`23:00.14`	`jaxdahl`	`rating*`
`23:00.36`	`Mikk`	`oh`
`23:00.40`	`Mikk`	`i totally missed out on that`
`23:00.54`	`jaxdahl`	`14 rating is about 1%crit at level 60 i believe`
`23:01.29`	`Mikk`	`Ah, so it's on par with attack power`
`23:01.37`	`jaxdahl`	`he says he's going to remove it now`
`23:02.05`	`cogwheel`	`mikk, unless i'm missing something, none of the instant attacks cause weapon damage except multi-shot... I know none of the stings do, nor do arcane shot, concussive shot, distracting shot, (aimed shot isn't instant as we've discussed)...`
`23:02.12`	`Plorkyeran`	`28 rating is 1% at 70 iirc`
`23:02.36`	`Plorkyeran`	`Aimed and Multi both scale with weapon damage and have fixed cast times`
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`23:03.09`	`jaxdahl`	`i think you should go ahead and delete the pages, especially the image, Mikk`
`23:03.15`	`Plorkyeran`	`The actual instant part doesn't matter, it's the weapon speed effecting damage but not cast time that matters`
`23:03.24`	`cogwheel`	`Oh... there's scatter shot ... but it does 50% weapon damage...`
`23:04.01`	`jaxdahl`	`he's blanked the page now`
`23:04.27`	`Qzot`	`I hate the lack of animation when I doing aimed attack. :P`
`23:04.37`	`Qzot`	`mt`
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`23:06.09`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`soo`
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`23:06.28`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`is it physically possible to code an addon that will click the flag doodad super fast?`
`23:06.34`	`Plorkyeran`	`No`
`23:06.42`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`cause there was a guild we were fighting that were clicking before it was visible`
`23:06.44`	`Qzot`	`Flag doodad?`
`23:06.53`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`like`
`23:06.56`	`Plorkyeran`	`You can click where it'll appear and it'll register`
`23:07.03`	`Plorkyeran`	`Even if it hasn't appeared yet`
`23:07.03`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`they would return it LITERALLY as soon as they dropped`
`23:07.08`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`no delay whatsoever`
`23:07.19`	`AnduinLothar`	`fast reflexes`
`23:07.23`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`eh`
`23:07.29`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`it was faster than any i've ever seen`
`23:07.33`	`Qzot`	`Not even one nanosecond delay? Wow.`
`23:07.47`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`it was undetectable as a delay at least`
`23:07.50`	`AnduinLothar`	`only possible hack would require an external program`
`23:07.56`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`it was like it played both sounds at the exact same time`
`23:08.12`	`Plorkyeran`	`Anyone who's spent any significant amount of time in WSG should have ping be thier limiting factor on flag returning`
`23:08.14`	`Qzot`	`Someone could be spamming the pickup?`
`23:08.31`	`Plorkyeran`	`So you may have just been playing a team with lower ping than you were used to`
`23:08.48`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`like, everyone in the guild was doing this`
`23:09.06`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`unless they were like lanned to the realm itself, i don't see this happening`
`23:09.07`	`AnduinLothar`	`practice makes perfect, it is nto liekly they were cheating`
`23:09.41`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`because the delay in reflexes plus lag should be a noticable edlay`
`23:09.50`	`Plorkyeran`	`There's no delay from reflexes`
`23:09.58`	`Plorkyeran`	`You should be clicking where it'll appear before it does`
`23:10.16`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`eh`
`23:10.29`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`it was faster than i've EVER seen`
`23:11.13`	`AnduinLothar`	`lern2pingfaster`
`23:11.14`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`i wouldnt put it past some of these pvp guilds to cheat`
`23:11.51`	`Plorkyeran`	`I would, because risking banning on accounts that you're playing 12+ hours a day for months is incredibly stupid`
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`23:12.41`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`eh i've seen plenty of them terrain exploit with warlords+`
`23:12.54`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`planter, log in midfield`
`23:13.08`	`Mr_Rabies2`	`no honor in bgs at all`
`23:13.37`	`Plorkyeran`	`terrain exploits don't get you banned`
`23:13.45`	`Plorkyeran`	`They generally don't even get you suspended`
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`23:19.15`	`jaxdahl`	`why do they make it so you have to click the flag?`
`23:19.22`	`jaxdahl`	`i'd rather you run through it to pickup/return`
`23:19.37`	`jaxdahl`	`like any other good CTF game`
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`23:47.58`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`jaxdahl, I've deleted it just to be on the safe side`
`23:48.14`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`Mikk, ping!`
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