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| 00:09.33 | fatbrain | Hello, right-side of default_chat_frame, there's some buttons (up, down, to-bottom...) is there an addon that hides those? |
| 00:09.36 | zenzelezz | you'd think I would manage to not try to tame a beast higher than my level twice within 10 minutes :-o |
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| 00:09.40 | Seracht | Hey guys |
| 00:09.40 | Cairenn | fatbrain: lots of chat mods do that |
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| 00:09.42 | Seracht | can I ask you some UI questions? forums are down or I would ask there |
| 00:09.42 | cladhaire | you can try =) |
| 00:09.43 | Cairenn | ask away, if folks can answer (and are here) they will |
| 00:09.43 | Seracht | what are some good Damagemeter type mods |
| 00:09.43 | cladhaire | you can also use the http://www.wowinterface.com forums.. people tend to be pretty responsive there :P |
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| 00:09.46 | Seracht | not as responsive as chat or WoW forums lol |
| 00:09.47 | cladhaire | Indeed =) |
| 00:09.47 | zenzelezz | that's not necessarily true |
| 00:09.48 | Cairenn | fatbrain: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4205 and http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5262-Jaguar_Beta_%28Formerly_ChatEx%29.html are two examples |
| 00:10.46 | Cairenn | fatbrain: but they certainly aren't the only ones |
| 00:10.46 | Cairenn | Seracht: damagemeters, recap |
| 00:10.47 | thr | hmm |
| 00:10.47 | thr | if(frame:IsFrameType("HealingList_TargetFrame_Normal")) then |
| 00:10.47 | thr | does the IsFrameType() only work for built in types? |
| 00:10.47 | Seracht | ok cool cairenn I think damagemeters is the norm right? |
| 00:10.47 | fatbrain | Cairenn: thanks |
| 00:10.47 | Cairenn | Seracht: meh, is there any such thing as "norm"? |
| 00:10.48 | Cairenn | fatbrain: welcome |
| 00:10.48 | Seracht | Cairenn I suppose not heh |
| 00:10.48 | Cairenn | Seracht: to my knowledge, it's a toss up between those two, primarily, but I may very well be wrong |
| 00:10.48 | Seracht | also, are there any good Unit frame mods that is not in beta (i like ag frames for example but in beta nad what not) |
| 00:10.49 | Cairenn | there are *tons* of unit frame mods, lol |
| 00:10.49 | Cairenn | what defines "good" for you? |
| 00:10.49 | kergoth | Seracht: nanostats and kombatstats work quite well if you only need to see your own performance, but you'll need damagemeters and recap to see everyone's |
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| 00:10.54 | cladhaire | SWStats is also good for the whole party/raid |
| 00:10.54 | Corrodias | okay, i think i have found a reproducable method of making my memory leak like a bucket that has been blown up (1mb/s memory consumption while just standing in org). now i need to identify the addon. |
| 00:10.54 | thr | hmm |
| 00:10.55 | thr | is there any short hand operator in lua to |
| 00:10.55 | thr | the C++: i -= 1 |
| 00:10.55 | thr | to decrease with one |
| 00:10.55 | cladhaire | thr: no |
| 00:10.55 | thr | ffs. |
| 00:10.55 | thr | shit language ;P |
| 00:10.55 | malreth | i = i - 1 |
| 00:10.55 | cladhaire | lol |
| 00:10.56 | malreth | watch your langage, young man |
| 00:10.56 | kergoth | lazy developer :P |
| 00:10.56 | thr | yes but when i = mutidemensional array |
| 00:10.56 | thr | *cheers* |
| 00:10.56 | thr | not vry fun ;p |
| 00:10.56 | cladhaire | thr: Well, multidimensional arrays don't exist in lua.. so you're good then aren't you =) |
| 00:10.58 | thr | well, nested soz. |
| 00:11.39 | thr | still, it's something like table[field][field][field] = table[field][field][field]+10 |
| 00:11.39 | Corrodias | soz? |
| 00:11.40 | cladhaire | well that's not even close to an array =) |
| 00:11.40 | malreth | so? ctrl-c ctrl-v |
| 00:11.41 | thr | it's still stupid to not implement that operator, as it's so usefull. |
| 00:11.41 | thr | and saves _alot_ of typing. |
| 00:11.41 | malreth | that's not the scope of lua |
| 00:11.42 | Corrodias | doesn't seem like all that much typing unless you use huge variable names |
| 00:11.42 | kergoth | clearly you dont understand the zen of lua. it isnt stupid, its the nature of it |
| 00:11.42 | malreth | it's to be a small embeddable language that takes up as few resources as possible |
| 00:11.42 | cladhaire | array += value means nothing in lua. |
| 00:11.43 | cladhaire | it would have to infer something about your intent. |
| 00:11.43 | thr | malreth, yes I know.. |
| 00:11.43 | amro | its an inconvenience but not a great one |
| 00:11.43 | cladhaire | which is against the design of the language. |
| 00:11.43 | thr | ok i admit i hate lua, but blizz chose it so here I am /cry |
| 00:11.44 | kergoth | i suggest you actually learn something about it |
| 00:11.44 | malreth | wb, iriel |
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| 00:11.45 | Iriel | I'm curious how ANYONE could "hate lua" |
| 00:11.45 | cladhaire | Iriel: I agree, entirely. |
| 00:11.45 | Corrodias | unless... they're spies from Sony |
| 00:11.46 | malreth | i'm curious how anyone could 'hate' any scripting or programming language |
| 00:11.46 | Corrodias | malreth: believe me, i can hate C++ |
| 00:11.46 | thr | Corrodias. blasphemy. |
| 00:11.46 | thr | <3 C++. |
| 00:11.46 | malreth | Corrodias: i'll allow that |
| 00:11.47 | Iriel | Hating C++ is understandable |
| 00:11.47 | cladhaire | C++ is horrible. |
| 00:11.47 | cladhaire | heh |
| 00:11.47 | thr | I know the point of lua, small embeded scripting language, etc. but it's still so annoying to code in i'm gonna start cry soon. |
| 00:11.48 | Iriel | But lua's really easy to develop in |
| 00:11.48 | malreth | thr: do you program in C++ for a living? |
| 00:11.48 | kergoth | its painless and intuitive |
| 00:11.48 | thr | malreth, no but in java. |
| 00:11.49 | thr | kergoth: table[field][field][field] = table[field][field][field]+10 is less then intuiative thb ;p |
| 00:11.49 | Xuerian | I admit LUA is nice and makes sense, but I do miss PHP. >_> |
| 00:11.49 | cladhaire | thr: Localize your tables. |
| 00:11.49 | cladhaire | you'r wasting lookups. |
| 00:11.50 | malreth | nothing teaches you more about how well designed a langage is than having to program in it for someone else |
| 00:11.50 | kergoth | local a = table[field][field][field] |
| 00:11.50 | cladhaire | local t = table[field][field][field] |
| 00:11.50 | kergoth | a = a + 10 |
| 00:11.50 | cladhaire | t = t + 1 |
| 00:11.50 | cladhaire | damnit. |
| 00:11.50 | Iriel | local x = table[field][field]; x[field] = x[field] + 10; |
| 00:11.50 | kergoth | :) |
| 00:11.50 | cladhaire | lol |
| 00:11.51 | kergoth | hahah |
| 00:12.12 | thr | well, that's not intuative at all ;> |
| 00:12.12 | Iriel | cladhaire, / kergoth - neither of those works |
| 00:12.12 | cladhaire | Iriel: You are in fact correct =) |
| 00:12.12 | kergoth | yeah you're right |
| 00:12.13 | thr | haha ;p |
| 00:12.13 | Iriel | but if the best thing you can complain about is += you have a very very bad definition of 'hate' |
| 00:12.13 | cladhaire | Iriel: It was the principle :P |
| 00:12.13 | malreth | purl, Irirl |
| 00:12.15 | malreth | purl, Iriel |
| 00:12.17 | cladhaire | Iriel: Have you been watching the spamwars over the bitwise operators? |
| 00:12.17 | thr | Iriel, well I said I used the wrong word don't take it so personal just cos i critizie your language of choice. |
| 00:12.18 | malreth | purl, Iriel is in fact correct :) |
| 00:12.20 | purl | okay, malreth |
| 00:12.20 | thr | I'm about to throw this stupid laptop out the window, give me a real keyboard ;( |
| 00:12.21 | amro | IBM Model M |
| 00:12.21 | malreth | purl is taking a vacation |
| 00:12.23 | malreth | bbl... bye |
| 00:12.23 | thr | Key Tronic = <3 |
| 00:12.23 | zenzelezz | I loved my Trust Direct Access keyboard :-( |
| 00:12.23 | thr | Iriel, well anyway just being able to to shortcuts such as +=, -- and ++ is very helpfull and leads to less obfuscated code. |
| 00:12.24 | zenzelezz | never found one as good as that... but my MS Digital Media Pro is decent at least |
| 00:12.24 | amro | yeah but its not enough to even dislike a language |
| 00:12.24 | kergoth | thr: i suggest you learn about the language before you attempt to criticize. |
| 00:12.25 | thr | well I don't like the language, and how you can put anything anywhere, etc. it leads to very confusing and hard to follow code. |
| 00:12.25 | thr | i prefer variables to be passed by value, etc. |
| 00:12.25 | Tuller | code cleanly :P |
| 00:12.26 | thr | and the fact that variables are by default global if im not mistaken? |
| 00:12.26 | Iriel | 'global', yes, but global is negotiable |
| 00:12.26 | thr | well, yes. but it's still one of the most stupid thing i've ever came across. |
| 00:12.26 | Iriel | again though, I have no trouble coding cleanly in lua either, however |
| 00:12.26 | Iriel | I suggest that you simply do not understand the language at all |
| 00:12.27 | amro | thr, adapt |
| 00:12.27 | thr | amro, well I don't have a choice do I? ;> |
| 00:12.27 | Corrodias | variables are never passed by value in java, except primitives |
| 00:12.27 | Iriel | and are commenting from nothing but ignorance and kneejerk contrast from java |
| 00:12.27 | cladhaire | you're assuming a lot, without learning anything about the language. |
| 00:12.28 | thr | Corrodias: Correct, and your point is? |
| 00:12.28 | Corrodias | do you hate java for that? |
| 00:12.28 | Qzot | thr: Some of us have been writing code in multiple languages since 1972, in a large number of languages, on a wide variety of projects, and some of us are rather taken with the simplicity and elegance of this cute, little language. |
| 00:12.28 | Iriel | the point is lua is the exactly the same |
| 00:12.29 | thr | Corrodias, no i ment primitives not variables very tried haven't slept for like 40h ;< |
| 00:12.48 | Iriel | things are passed by value, but many things are references |
| 00:12.48 | thr | Qzot well go ahead and be, not my problem ;< i don't like it however? |
| 00:12.49 | Qzot | Some of us are reminded of our children disclaiming that they don't like such-and-such a food, without having really tried it. |
| 00:12.49 | cladhaire | lol |
| 00:12.49 | thr | Christ. |
| 00:12.49 | zenzelezz | haha |
| 00:12.49 | thr | Here it comes, "im older then you stfu" |
| 00:12.49 | cladhaire | That's not what he said. |
| 00:12.49 | Qzot | No. Not quite. |
| 00:12.49 | kergoth | no, here it comes, get a clue about the language before voicing unfounded opinions about it |
| 00:12.50 | Tuller | ouch |
| 00:12.50 | thr | I know perfectly well what LUA is intended for, but I don't like the syntax, how it's so "stripped", etc. |
| 00:12.50 | Qzot | Several people of wide experience appreciate the elegance. It's worth trying to understand why, before settling into prejudicial dislike. Enlightened dislike would be another matter. |
| 00:12.50 | thr | So, earlier today I wanted to serialize an array - well whipediofuckingdo I had to create the serialization routine myself. |
| 00:12.51 | thr | Not a problem, but still... I want that done in the languages I work in. |
| 00:12.51 | zenzelezz | ooh, so you are awake Cairenn =) Things are getting close to heated in here |
| 00:12.51 | thr | I don't wanna sit around re-inventing the wheel for two days. |
| 00:12.51 | Corrodias | java arrays aren't serialized |
| 00:12.51 | Iriel | so use someone else's serialization |
| 00:12.51 | cladhaire | thr: You dont need to |
| 00:12.51 | Cairenn | zenzelezz: I'm watching, no fear |
| 00:12.52 | cladhaire | there are about 19,000 versions of serialization out there. |
| 00:12.52 | Iriel | Why do you need to serialize an array anyway? |
| 00:12.52 | cladhaire | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=lua+serialize&btnG=Google+Search btw |
| 00:12.52 | thr | Iriel: Using 3rd party code form some random person who posted it on a forum? no thanks. |
| 00:12.52 | Corrodias | isn't it silly to transmit a bunch of pointers to someone? isn't that what serialization is? |
| 00:12.52 | Iriel | Are you passing it around? You can just serialize to lua syntax then at least you get built-in deseralization for free |
| 00:12.53 | Iriel | serialization is converting an object tree into a stream (string) |
| 00:12.53 | Corrodias | amazing: you also refuse to cooperate with other authors! |
| 00:12.54 | thr | Iriel, I know. |
| 00:12.54 | thr | Iriel i want to send a table thru the hidden addon channel. |
| 00:12.55 | Qzot | Iriel: In my experience, when my children had decided that cheesecake looked yucky, I actually found it counterproductive to try to argue them into trying it. *sigh* |
| 00:12.55 | cladhaire | thr: Use telepathy or AcComm |
| 00:12.55 | cladhaire | AceComm |
| 00:12.55 | Iriel | Qzot: More cheesecake for you 8-) |
| 00:12.55 | thr | 3rd party librarys, no thanks. |
| 00:12.55 | jaxdahl | yes, use acecomm |
| 00:12.55 | dreyruugr | thr: Contrary to what you might believe, there really are other competent developers out there, and they've written libraries |
| 00:12.55 | cladhaire | you know Python doesnt have much in stdlibs either, they're all in modules |
| 00:12.55 | cladhaire | jesus.. what DO you want? |
| 00:12.56 | kergoth | then you're just begging to reinvent th wheel |
| 00:12.56 | Iriel | thr: Java's basically nothing BUT third party libraries, what DO you want? |
| 00:12.56 | kergoth | oh noes, i dont want to use existing code! |
| 00:12.56 | zenzelezz | let me guess thr, you also don't take third-party advice |
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| 00:12.57 | jaxdahl | zenzelezz, burn |
| 00:12.57 | thr | Iriel: Well, ok - 3rd party was the wrong word. |
| 00:12.58 | Qzot | thr: The WoW API were not written by lua.org. I wouldn't trust them, if I were you. |
| 00:12.58 | Cairenn | okay guys ... down a notch, hmmm? |
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| 00:13.13 | ckknight | hey all |
| 00:13.13 | Qzot | Mmm. Cheesecake. |
| 00:13.14 | zenzelezz | heya |
| 00:13.14 | Cairenn | evening ckknight |
| 00:13.14 | jaxdahl | ckknight, caution: flamewar ahead |
| 00:13.14 | kergoth | yay flamewar! |
| 00:13.14 | kergoth | err, i mean.. |
| 00:13.14 | ckknight | ooh, I want in. |
| 00:13.14 | Cairenn | lol |
| 00:13.15 | ckknight | what's it about? |
| 00:13.15 | ckknight | I got 3 hours to kill. |
| 00:13.15 | Qzot | Cheesecake. |
| 00:13.15 | kergoth | down with emacs! windows sucks! </random flamewar generator> |
| 00:13.15 | Qzot | And convincing kids it's not yucky. |
| 00:13.15 | jaxdahl | serialization and the use of 3rd party libraries |
| 00:13.15 | Cairenn | (so long as it isn't "personal", disagreements about coding styles is fine) |
| 00:13.16 | thr | So, if I use a 3rd party serialization lib. Hardly standard tho? So what if i wanna use it together with some other addon that uses a differnet serialization lib? |
| 00:13.16 | Iriel | Then you're going to have problems no matter what! |
| 00:13.16 | thr | Exactly. |
| 00:13.16 | Iriel | Integration requires you both agree on what you're doing. |
| 00:13.16 | kergoth | so what if you wanted to use your own serializer with another addon that uses a different one? coding your own isnt going to solve the issue |
| 00:13.16 | thr | But what if there was a *standard* serialization routine? |
| 00:13.16 | ckknight | kergoth, the vi vs. emacs argument is so old and pointless. |
| 00:13.17 | Iriel | I work in java a lot, I almost NEVER use standard java serialization for interoperability between different components |
| 00:13.17 | ckknight | vi is the clear winner |
| 00:13.17 | Iriel | Becuase it's far too fragile |
| 00:13.17 | Iriel | some pre-determined neutral syntax, like XML, is generally a much better approach |
| 00:13.17 | Tain | edlin 4 life! |
| 00:13.18 | thr | Iriel well if you're in total control of both ends and you know that for sure, np. |
| 00:13.18 | Xuerian | belated hey, ckknight :P |
| 00:13.18 | Qzot | Iriel: Serialization is almost always problematic. |
| 00:13.18 | Iriel | Qzot: Exactly, there are too many constraints and requirements for there to be an unambiguous best approach |
| 00:13.18 | ckknight | hey Xuerian |
| 00:13.18 | thr | But the point is that in my opinion a language should offer just a *bit* more then LUA does. |
| 00:13.18 | Cairenn | lol, prepare for random commentary from purl |
| 00:13.18 | thr | I know what LUA is intended for, don't get me wrong. |
| 00:13.19 | Cairenn | he seems to be trying to catch up from a few hours back now |
| 00:13.19 | ckknight | I've dealt with serialization |
| 00:13.19 | thr | I just don't like it, and you go at me like two zealots. |
| 00:13.19 | Iriel | Thr: You'll find that lua offers just enough, and there are many functional libraries to offer more. |
| 00:13.19 | ckknight | fun stuff, that. |
| 00:13.19 | thr | Making remarks about age, etc. |
| 00:13.19 | Qzot | thr: In a way, I agree with you. |
| 00:13.26 | Iriel | the argument was more about maturity than age |
| 00:13.26 | Qzot | thr: But just what stuff? I suspect it becomes religious differences. |
| 00:13.44 | Qzot | thr: Imho, adding serialization support to standard libraries would make it crufty. |
| 00:13.49 | thr | Qzot: Well, for example some shorthand operators, a bit more things to work with tables, etc. |
| 00:13.50 | amro | thr: C/C++ doesn't have builtin serialization |
| 00:13.57 | amro | there's notthing wrong with c |
| 00:14.02 | thr | amro: well C/C++ is a different story and you know that. |
| 00:14.05 | ckknight | Frankly, I agree with thr in that I wish lua had a larger standard library. |
| 00:14.10 | Qzot | thr: But added support for catching signals would be a plus. |
| 00:14.23 | Corrodias | signals? |
| 00:14.26 | Cairenn | thr: no one said anything about age, because if they had, I would have jumped in right there ... they made comments about *experience*, and they didn't say you had none, but instead were commenting on their own, which *is* acceptable |
| 00:14.52 | thr | Cairenn, well the remark about kids, cheescake whatever, etc. Just so unnecessary. |
| 00:15.06 | Cairenn | that's called metaphor |
| 00:15.14 | Qzot | thr: My point being that why a lot of people might agree that Lua could be improved by adding "just this", the specific contents of "just this" are likely to be far-ranging and varied. All in all, I'd prefer small to having the sum total of all the "just this"s. |
| 00:15.31 | amro | thr: blizz could have used python or ruby if they wanted standard libs |
| 00:16.01 | dreyruugr | you did come into the wow interface channel and refer lua is a "shit language"... maybe not the best way to get reasoned and mature responses |
| 00:16.04 | Qzot | amro: Probably not, considering licensing and embeddability concerns. |
| 00:16.09 | thr | Qzot: Well, you got a point in that ofc. But there are still some thing, such as the example i took with the ++, +=, -= and -- operators which are practicly standard in every langauge today. And I doubt that adding that could be considered "bloat" |
| 00:16.32 | Tain | Not to mention the fact that both python and ruby have matured a lot in the time since Blizzard first began work on WoW. |
| 00:16.37 | Tain | What they are today is not what they were then. |
| 00:16.45 | thr | Yes ofc I can live without the operators, but it's just an example to point at the fac that (imho) LUA is TO stripped. |
| 00:16.48 | Tain | Ruby especially. |
| 00:16.58 | Qzot | thr: You would be surprised. I could swallow +=, but would hate ++. So, even there opinions will vary. |
| 00:16.59 | Tain | "I hate this dog! It's not a cat!" |
| 00:17.07 | ckknight | yea |
| 00:17.14 | ckknight | dogs can go fuck themselves. |
| 00:17.25 | Kirov | they can do that? |
| 00:17.28 | Qzot | O.O |
| 00:17.30 | ckknight | lol ;-) |
| 00:17.33 | amro | lol |
| 00:17.35 | thr | Qzot: You'd consider ++ bloated as it's basicly i += 1 ? |
| 00:17.38 | Qzot | I knew about the licking part... |
| 00:17.40 | Cairenn | damn! wish I could! |
| 00:17.43 | ckknight | thr, -- and ++ are _horrible_ from a design standpoint. |
| 00:17.45 | Qzot | thr: Yes. |
| 00:18.03 | ckknight | they're icky |
| 00:18.07 | ckknight | just use += 1 and -= 1 |
| 00:18.07 | Kirov | what's so bad about ++ and --? |
| 00:18.10 | ckknight | a lot clearer |
| 00:18.10 | Tain | Are you experienced? Or have you ever been experienced? |
| 00:18.11 | Tuller | I'm not a huge fan of +=, but I forget why |
| 00:18.12 | Tain | I have. |
| 00:18.12 | Qzot | As statements, they're mildly bad. As expressions, they're atrocious. |
| 00:18.19 | thr | well, i can agree with you on that they're not realy needed. But += 1 and -= 1 ar e needed. |
| 00:18.24 | ckknight | Qzot, I agree. |
| 00:18.29 | Kirov | += would be really nice |
| 00:18.34 | ckknight | they should never be in expressions, imho |
| 00:18.37 | amro | but it doesnt kill the language |
| 00:18.40 | ckknight | Kirov, yes it would |
| 00:18.52 | thr | Well if you put ++ in an expression you're asking for trouble ;P |
| 00:18.57 | ckknight | thr, I fully agree, I want all the += stuff |
| 00:19.11 | Cairenn | Tain: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2006/09/06 ;) |
| 00:19.22 | Tain | Exactly, Cairenn :) |
| 00:19.23 | amro | thr: as I said earlier its an inconvenience, but it doesnt make lua suck at all |
| 00:19.53 | Tain | That's the funny thing, it's always funny to see people complain that something doesn't do things that it never wanted to. |
| 00:19.59 | thr | No, all those small things just gets annoying after a while. |
| 00:20.12 | amro | not really. it takes 3 more seconds tops |
| 00:20.30 | Shadowed | Quick question, anyone remember if you can download the entire WoW client somewhere from blizzards site? |
| 00:20.31 | thr | amro, well when i'm working with a deep table it doesnt take 3 seconds tops. |
| 00:20.41 | thr | it takes like 15-20 seconds to make sure everything is correct. |
| 00:20.44 | Qzot | thr: Hmm. I can believe you're annoyed. I'm not. At least, not by Lua. |
| 00:20.55 | Tain | Of course I'll gladly help flog the person who decided ~= was a good idea. |
| 00:21.01 | thr | yes |
| 00:21.04 | thr | ~= i mean WTF? |
| 00:21.11 | Tain | But that's about it. |
| 00:21.15 | thr | almost equal? ;> |
| 00:21.17 | Mery | shadowed: no you can't, but you can download it from fileplanet or such when you create a free 10 day test (in case tehy still offer those) |
| 00:21.18 | Tain | The rest of Lua I love. |
| 00:21.21 | thr | must be some stupid internal joke. |
| 00:21.24 | ckknight | yea, != is a lot better. ~= seems like it should be the "roughly equal" sign |
| 00:21.34 | thr | or regexp operator from perl ;> |
| 00:21.36 | Tain | 5 is somewhat equal to 6 |
| 00:21.41 | ckknight | thr, =~ |
| 00:21.43 | Shadowed | Mery: thanks |
| 00:21.51 | Tain | I don't even have any problem with <> |
| 00:21.54 | thr | ckknight ah ;< soz havent been in perl for a while. |
| 00:22.09 | cladhaire | ckknight: What do you want += to do in lua? It would have entirely undefined behavior on the majority of values |
| 00:22.15 | Qzot | Lol. Arbitrary choice, imho. Too bad languages have made different choices, but ~= seems as logical (if ~ means not, which it often does). |
| 00:22.37 | thr | Qzot: You can't argue that the majority of people see ~ as "almost" |
| 00:22.39 | ckknight | yea, <> isn't necessarily bad, though it is possibly confusing when dealing with sets, if one set is not less than or greater than another. |
| 00:22.51 | Qzot | In fact, if you like languages with += and -=, then != ought to be a combinatoric assignment. |
| 00:22.56 | ckknight | cladhaire, yea, I know :-P. I'd still like it, though |
| 00:23.13 | thr | ah, scrap this argument cba with it |
| 00:23.14 | thr | bye |
| 00:23.17 | cladhaire | ckknight: I agree 100%.. there are times when i'd like it.. but I understand why they don't have it. |
| 00:23.24 | Tain | I'd like += to add pi |
| 00:23.35 | Qzot | I.e., "n != m" ought to mean "assign to n the number of permutations of n things taken m ways". |
| 00:24.25 | Qzot | thr: Depending on your background, the majority of people do not necessarily see "~" as approximation. |
| 00:24.45 | ckknight | I originally thought it was approximation |
| 00:24.47 | Qzot | thr: So yes, I did just argue taht point. |
| 00:26.57 | Corrodias | ~= seems to me to be approximation because of math classes |
| 00:27.37 | amro | yep, but lua was developed in brazil, who knows what their math classes are like |
| 00:28.01 | Corrodias | possibly in spanish |
| 00:28.14 | Kirov | I'd love to know why ~= came about |
| 00:28.16 | amro | portugese actually |
| 00:28.16 | ckknight | keyboard's probably different. |
| 00:28.24 | Kirov | != is near universal in programing languages |
| 00:28.35 | ckknight | haskell: /= |
| 00:28.46 | Kirov | near |
| 00:28.49 | Tain | Nah.. well I mean it's used a lot now, but only because C was so popular. |
| 00:29.04 | Qzot | BASIC: <> |
| 00:29.17 | Kirov | semi near |
| 00:29.25 | Tain | I think Pascal used <> as well, but it's been too long. |
| 00:29.34 | Kirov | not at all near? |
| 00:30.19 | Corrodias | narrowed down the ridiculous memory loss to "conversation manager", which i rarely used anyway |
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| 00:31.14 | Qzot | bye, all. |
| 00:31.47 | Qzot | When you have this all figured out -- whether Lua is shitty or not -- can you write up a synopsis and/or diplomatic protocol? |
| 00:36.50 | Corrodias | i believe such a document would go something like, "your mom" |
| 00:37.07 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 00:37.19 | Tem | Wait, it's not over yet? |
| 00:37.28 | thr | ok |
| 00:37.28 | Tem | I'm only about 3/4 of the way through reading it |
| 00:37.31 | thr | one thing i love about lue |
| 00:37.32 | thr | lua. |
| 00:37.39 | thr | is that you dont have to use ; all the time |
| 00:37.40 | thr | <3 |
| 00:37.42 | Tem | so far my thoughts are this: |
| 00:37.48 | Tem | thr, you annoy me |
| 00:37.52 | Tem | and that's about it |
| 00:38.02 | Tem | now I've gotta go take a shower before work |
| 00:38.43 | Corrodias | know what i like about lua? the fact that there is no private data |
| 00:38.59 | Tem|AFK | see, I actualy dislike that |
| 00:39.07 | Corrodias | i actually your mom |
| 00:39.09 | Tain | I like saying it. |
| 00:39.12 | cladhaire | but you can make private data =) |
| 00:39.17 | Tain | A lua lua.. oh baby.. me gotta code |
| 00:39.19 | Tem|AFK | you can force privacy, but it's not quite normal |
| 00:39.32 | Tem|AFK | anyway, not a big issue |
| 00:39.43 | Corrodias | i like being able to modify stuff that's going on in my own UI. private data takes that power away from me. |
| 00:40.34 | Tain | The Tom Cruise Scientology episode of South Park is going to be on Sunday. I laughed through the whole thing. |
| 00:40.41 | Xuerian | I agree, Corrodias |
| 00:42.05 | zenzelezz | if you're talking about the WoW UI, isn't that more up to what Blizzard allows you than what lua does? |
| 00:42.27 | Corrodias | i believe the usual primary reason for having private data in languages like java is that "other classes don't need to know about this". but you know, i don't need to have a computer. i -want- to, and i -want- access to that data, regardless of whether or not the author thinks it's a good idea. |
| 00:43.23 | Tain | I don't trust authors. |
| 00:43.36 | Corrodias | zenzelezz: i think you're misunderstanding a little what i'm saying |
| 00:44.24 | Corrodias | what you can do with the wow API is certainly up to blizzard, but the language's lack of "private" forces other authors to let me view and set their variables if i so choose |
| 00:48.10 | Iriel | locals are excellent private variables |
| 00:48.48 | cladhaire | quite true |
| 00:49.10 | cladhaire | local setf |
| 00:49.11 | cladhaire | do |
| 00:49.11 | cladhaire | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:49.11 | cladhaire | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:49.13 | cladhaire | umm |
| 00:49.13 | cladhaire | hi |
| 00:51.00 | Corrodias | time to go do some homework :( |
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| 00:56.56 | ckknight | yea, I extensively use private variables in lua :-P |
| 00:56.59 | ckknight | by using locals |
| 00:58.09 | ckknight | I don't typically trust users or other addons. If they want the ability to change something, then there probably should be a proper API call they should use |
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| 01:07.38 | KaeltenAway | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xEzGIuY7kw |
| 01:11.56 | Cairenn | hahahhaha |
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| 01:24.59 | KaeltenAway | I think it was funny :) |
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| 01:26.38 | JoshBorke | hi |
| 01:26.43 | Xuerian | Hai |
| 01:28.06 | JoshBorke | so i've got an interesting request: how would i go about writing a function to convert SimpleHTML code to phBoard code? |
| 01:29.03 | JoshBorke | and vice-versa |
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| 01:33.42 | KaeltenAway | hyperChipmunk: your around? |
| 01:34.19 | cogwheel | k. so... i never payed attention to any of the threads regarding RDX 'cause it wasn't relevant to me... Our raid leader just asked me to help write some boss warnings for it 'cause they're planning to switch from CTRA to it... (i use oRA though ;) ) So, can i get some opinions about it? |
| 01:36.08 | Tain | They want to make people pay for RDX. Therefore it sucks. |
| 01:36.12 | zenzelezz | why are they switching? |
| 01:36.44 | cogwheel | don't really know actually... |
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| 01:38.01 | cladhaire | Tain: RDX5 is free.. just won't have the new options |
| 01:38.29 | hyperChipmunk | Kaelten: sup |
| 01:38.53 | hyperChipmunk | rofl pay for an addon |
| 01:38.58 | cogwheel|MC | so... is it really just the money that people complain about then? |
| 01:39.06 | zenzelezz | when my server (along with a ton of other European servers) were having lag problems, and before we managed to shut up the people who thought it was CTRA's fault, some of my guildies mentioned RDX... but they failed to explain what was good about it |
| 01:39.18 | zenzelezz | only ever linked to the site, which also didn't convince me |
| 01:39.23 | cladhaire | cogwheel|MC: Yes.. and its extensive. |
| 01:39.26 | cladhaire | but its a good framework |
| 01:39.28 | hyperChipmunk | they complain about the fact that it's gi-friggin-normous too |
| 01:40.14 | JoshBorke | cogwheel|MC: what are they looking for out of RDX? |
| 01:40.16 | cogwheel|MC | yeah, but they say that about CTRA too ;) |
| 01:40.19 | cladhaire | its actually not a resource hog |
| 01:40.24 | cladhaire | most of the things that peopel complain about.. aren't. |
| 01:40.55 | cogwheel|MC | i really don't know why... the raid leader just asked me to help write a bossmod for it... |
| 01:41.21 | JoshBorke | use bigwigs ;-) |
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| 01:42.00 | JoshBorke | anyone have experience with alignment in SimpleHTML frames? |
| 01:42.22 | JoshBorke | and also tags |
| 01:42.59 | Iriel | Some |
| 01:43.11 | Iriel | Bookworm uses SimpleHTML quite a bit |
| 01:43.14 | JoshBorke | what are the differences between H1/H2/H3 sections? |
| 01:43.18 | JoshBorke | oh really? |
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| 01:55.12 | Tuller | hurray |
| 01:55.14 | JoshBorke | Iriel: so you just put everything inside a <p></p> block in Bookworm? |
| 01:57.22 | Iriel | h1/h2/h3 use different fonts if you've specified them |
| 01:57.59 | Iriel | and if i'm in HTML style, I use <p></p>.. A lot of the time I use | style (|c, |r, |H, etc) content for my generated stuff |
| 02:03.22 | JoshBorke | Iriel: thank you for your help :) |
| 02:05.44 | Iriel | JoshBorke: I dont know if you'd noticed it but SimpleHTML has different SetFont methods than other frames, you can pass in "H1" "H2" "H3" if you want |
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| 02:09.22 | tyroney | Is it just me, or is weather drawn under my voidwalker? |
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| 02:09.46 | Fructose | Hello |
| 02:11.19 | tyroney | ShhQ |
| 02:11.26 | tyroney | s/Q/!/ |
| 02:11.52 | Iriel | tyroney, : There are some wierd render order issues in the game |
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| 02:12.24 | Tem | hmmm... I'm feelin a $7 burrito |
| 02:12.32 | Tem | yep, I've got the craving |
| 02:12.35 | tyroney | I dunno, I thought it was kinda cool. I figured my voidwalker was still halfway in another dimension. (really? What others have I missed?) |
| 02:15.09 | JoshBorke | Iriel: yea, I saw the short thing about it, the FontInstance methods take a H1/H2/H3 option? what about P? also I'd assume that not all of the methods are available. just SetSpacing?SetTextColor/SetFontObject?/SetFont |
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| 02:17.06 | Iriel | Well, you can do almost everything via FontObjects |
| 02:17.12 | Iriel | just create a font object for each style |
| 02:17.20 | Iriel | I think for "P" you just leave the H1/H2/H3 out, IIRC |
| 02:18.04 | Industrial | nn |
| 02:18.26 | Cairenn | night Industrial |
| 02:22.21 | JoshBorke | Iriel: i do apologize for my somewhat dumb questions :) i'm still very new at this stuff :) |
| 02:22.58 | Corrodias | hey guys |
| 02:23.00 | Corrodias | your mom |
| 02:23.17 | Iriel | JoshBorke: They're not dumb at all |
| 02:24.08 | JoshBorke | i really need to just play with it |
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| 02:25.10 | Iriel | Do expect to break it if you do stuff nobody else has done much of |
| 02:25.21 | Iriel | For a while I had a SimpleHTML bug in every patch |
| 02:26.19 | JoshBorke | Iriel: the prospect of finding real bugs is exciting to me :) |
| 02:26.46 | JoshBorke | Iriel: what does the <ScrollFrame><Frame ...></Frame></ScrollFrame> |
| 02:26.57 | JoshBorke | er, blasted, mean? the ScrollFrame tag mainly |
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| 02:27.37 | Iriel | It creates a logical region holding large frames, part of which is visible at any time |
| 02:27.47 | Iriel | It's how the long quest text scrolling works, for example |
| 02:32.35 | Tem|Food | I often wonder if it would be useful for other things |
| 02:33.59 | tyroney | Hey! You could scroll stuff with it! |
| 02:34.10 | JoshBorke | ugh, the html is case sensitive :( |
| 02:35.15 | tyroney | Now you've got me trying to come up with scrolling versions of everything. |
| 02:36.21 | Iriel | Tem: I |
| 02:36.31 | Tem | Iriel: You |
| 02:36.42 | Iriel | I've wondered about combining a ScrollFrame with the normal logic of a virtual scroll frame to give a smooth virtual scroll frame |
| 02:36.52 | Iriel | but I dont know if ScrollFrames consume offscreen video memory |
| 02:37.20 | Tem | hmm |
| 02:37.24 | Tem | that's tempting |
| 02:37.37 | Iriel | likely entirely unnecessary 8-) |
| 02:38.02 | Tem | 90% of the things I do in wow are entirely unnecessary |
| 02:38.29 | tyroney | I have a realistically phased moon icon. (one of my favorites) |
| 02:38.57 | Tem | neat! |
| 02:39.17 | JoshBorke | heh, i like how my in game error message syntax differs from the wiki |
| 02:39.37 | Tem | mental note: no peppers on the next burrito |
| 02:39.45 | Tain | I've thought about making an addon to express the level of hatred I have towards my guild at different times during a raid. |
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| 02:43.02 | Iriel | I've pondered trying to implement old-school cartographic tools in wow and making maps based on angles to landmarks |
| 02:43.17 | Iriel | I could see that being of dubious but interesting use in instances |
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| 02:43.49 | Iriel | the camera angle issues make some of that tricky, unless one is in first person, but there's still required race-compensation |
| 02:45.06 | JoshBorke | what does Monochrome do? |
| 02:45.12 | Tem | but... how would you even tell? |
| 02:45.17 | malreth | is someone trying to draw circles on the ground again? |
| 02:47.13 | Iriel | no, I was discussing entirely unnecessary things to code in wow |
| 02:47.28 | Iriel | specifically cartographic tools to develop maps based on angular measurements and the like |
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| 02:47.56 | Iriel | off home, back later, perhaps |
| 02:47.58 | JoshBorke | what does the Font flag MONOCHROME do? |
| 02:48.10 | Tem | go ask a 7th grade art class |
| 02:48.30 | JoshBorke | :P |
| 02:48.45 | Tem | (I assume it makes the text appear all in one color) |
| 02:48.50 | Iriel | Does the TTF spec support colored fonts? |
| 02:48.51 | JoshBorke | you'd be wrong |
| 02:48.52 | ckknight | all gray |
| 02:48.54 | ckknight | ? |
| 02:48.59 | Iriel | Or does it override |c markup? |
| 02:49.03 | JoshBorke | nope |
| 02:50.02 | JoshBorke | SetTextColor('H1',0,1,0) SetFont(font,height,'MONOCHROME') SetText('|cFFFF0000Red|r green') results in red and green text |
| 02:50.14 | JoshBorke | er, i missed a "H1" but it's there :) |
| 02:50.55 | Fructose | If I want to store a list of players, each one associated with a list of item links, what's the best way to do that in Lua? |
| 02:51.25 | Iriel | Fructose, : table, keyed by player name, with an array of links inside? |
| 02:51.28 | ckknight | local players = { Monkeyman = { "Teh item of awesomeness", "Crappy item" } } |
| 02:51.41 | Fructose | ckknight: I want links, not just the name. |
| 02:51.53 | Tem | local players = {} |
| 02:51.54 | Fructose | ckknight: But it's still a string, right? |
| 02:52.19 | Tem | players[name] = {"Teh item of awesomness", "Crappy item"} |
| 02:52.50 | Tem | players[anothername] = { "Crappy item", "Broken I.W.I.N. Button"} |
| 02:53.10 | Fructose | OK. Is there some good site to use as a Lua reference? The home page seems to want me to buy a book. |
| 02:53.27 | Tem | www.lua.org/pil |
| 02:53.44 | ckknight | Fructose, still a string |
| 02:53.53 | cogwheel|MC | and www.lua.org/manual/5.0/ |
| 02:54.00 | cogwheel|MC | (5.1 after BC comes out) |
| 02:54.07 | ckknight | links can technically be stored as 7-byte strings if you're crafty |
| 02:54.13 | ckknight | I know I am. |
| 02:56.08 | Fructose | Do I want to bother, and, if so, how? |
| 02:56.43 | Corrodias | man, downloading porn really gives me WoW lag |
| 02:57.40 | malreth | Corrodias: that's why i just download japanese ero-games and play those |
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| 03:00.09 | TS|Skrom_ | anyone else watch "6 degrees"? |
| 03:02.18 | Corrodias | ah yes. i have most of the interactive 3d h-games |
| 03:04.24 | malreth | heh... heh heh... heh |
| 03:04.41 | malreth | purl, me? |
| 03:04.45 | purl | malreth scares me |
| 03:04.51 | Tem | purl, me? |
| 03:04.52 | purl | I wonder what Tem is breaking now... |
| 03:05.07 | Tem | his teeth |
| 03:05.15 | Tem | Curses! I'm out of ice |
| 03:05.17 | tyroney | ~me? |
| 03:05.19 | purl | ACTION mourns the forums. |
| 03:13.04 | MentalPower | purl, me? |
| 03:13.05 | purl | well, mentalpower is playing WoW |
| 03:13.20 | MentalPower | purl we need to change that :) |
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| 03:18.45 | Nightdew | what is the debuff that hakkar puts the mind control a player? |
| 03:19.15 | MentalPower | Check on BigWigs or CT_BossMods |
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| 03:44.14 | Nightdew | any short way to tell if a target is shaped.. in a macro |
| 03:44.15 | Nightdew | not lua |
| 03:44.45 | Mikord | you could use a short lua macro |
| 03:44.47 | cogwheel|MC | not without lua... |
| 03:44.56 | Mikord | just use /script in your macro |
| 03:45.10 | Nightdew | lets rephrase |
| 03:45.17 | Nightdew | lua is fine.. but without the use of addons |
| 03:45.22 | Nightdew | is what i meant |
| 03:45.31 | Mikord | yeah do it in a macro with /script lua code here |
| 03:45.51 | Nightdew | i know that.. |
| 03:45.57 | Nightdew | but instead of doing debuff checks |
| 03:45.58 | cogwheel|MC | by shaped you mean like a druid? |
| 03:45.59 | Mikord | just use short names for stuff and you should have enough room |
| 03:46.10 | Nightdew | actually.. if a raid memeber is sheeped |
| 03:46.54 | Mikord | only way I know is debuff checks |
| 03:47.38 | Nightdew | wasnt there a way to tell that the player wasnt in control |
| 03:47.49 | Nightdew | UnitPlayerControlled still returns true for a sheeped char |
| 03:49.14 | Mikord | hmmm I know HasFullControl() but that's only you |
| 03:49.41 | Nightdew | darn |
| 03:51.50 | Mikord | Anyone mind verifying something for me? If you create a timer and time how long it takes to go through 50,000 entries in a table with a regular for x in t do versus a for x in pairs(t) do I keep coming up with the pairs(t) taking about 10 seconds longer but that seems contrary to what I've read |
| 03:52.55 | Mikord | make that 10ms longer |
| 03:54.36 | cogwheel|MC | pairs requires a function call... you might be able to get away with for x in next, t do |
| 03:57.57 | Mikord | Ok. That makes sense. Just pil says you should use the for x in pairs(t) and doing testing I kept coming up with it taking longer and was baffled as to why it would say to use a slower method |
| 03:58.16 | Mikord | Thanks |
| 04:00.03 | MentalPower | the other reason you shoudl use pairs() (or at least next()) is because in 5.1 "for k, v in t do ... end" is no longer supported |
| 04:00.45 | malreth | Nightdew: UnitIsCharmed() |
| 04:00.49 | cogwheel|MC | the in next, t will still wor though |
| 04:00.55 | cogwheel|MC | s/r t/rk t/ |
| 04:01.13 | cogwheel|MC | the "should" is more of a "best practices" recommendation |
| 04:01.55 | Mikord | Mental: So will the plain for x in t do end still work in 5.1? |
| 04:02.00 | Mikord | without the k, v |
| 04:02.13 | MentalPower | nop |
| 04:02.18 | malreth | and truthfully... an extra 10 ms when looping through 50000 table entries is hardly an issue |
| 04:02.20 | cogwheel|MC | the k, v is irrelevant |
| 04:02.21 | MentalPower | tables as iterators is gone |
| 04:02.27 | cogwheel|MC | it's the stuff *after* the "in" that's changing |
| 04:02.57 | Mikord | ahh ok |
| 04:03.43 | MentalPower|ZZzz | gnight |
| 04:03.52 | Xuerian | 'night |
| 04:04.06 | Mikord | malreth: agreed that it is miniscule. Just seemed odd is all, but I didn't know about that 5.1 change |
| 04:05.52 | malreth | and if the code is in an inner loop, you can always use the for k,v in next, table do ... end |
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| 04:14.08 | Mikord | Gotta hit the sack. Night guys |
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| 04:15.44 | Kirov | zomg |
| 04:15.47 | Kirov | forums |
| 04:17.12 | Cairenn | roll back though =/ |
| 04:19.34 | cogwheel|MC | wow... major rollback... |
| 04:20.23 | cogwheel|MC | GetItemInfo post by slouken's gone |
| 04:20.49 | cogwheel|MC | and i had a question about it too :( |
| 04:21.32 | Cairenn | Iriel just reposted |
| 04:21.50 | Cairenn | "* UPDATED itemName, itemLink, itemRarity, itemLevel, itemMinLevel, itemType, itemSubType, itemStackCount, itemEquipLoc, invTexture = GetItemInfo(itemID|"itemLink") -- Now returns item level WARNING - This change is not backward compatible " |
| 04:21.50 | CrazierMYKL | are spaces allowed in frame names? |
| 04:22.38 | Kirov | Yeah, I get the impression the original server suffered a serious melt down. |
| 04:22.44 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 04:22.59 | cogwheel|MC | So... my question was the wiki only says itemID or itemString.... his post said "itemLink" though |
| 04:23.07 | Cairenn | they had said something about having lost data, but I can't get the exact phrase now, since now the main page is down :p |
| 04:23.24 | Kirov | cogwheel - hmm? |
| 04:23.35 | cogwheel|MC | in fact the wiki has an example of a function to getiteminfo from a full link |
| 04:24.01 | Kirov | night dew |
| 04:24.13 | cogwheel|MC | itemstring is just "item:#:#:#:#" |
| 04:25.02 | cogwheel|MC | whereas itemlink is the full "|H...|h" thing |
| 04:25.16 | Kirov | cogwheel|MC - the wiki names for "item..." are our own wordage |
| 04:26.20 | cogwheel|MC | gotcha |
| 04:29.42 | Kirov | I believe blizzard calls it "Item Hyperlink" "Item Link" and "item reference id"\ |
| 04:33.52 | Abenadi | can you not use transparent TGAs? I'm using paint.net. When I save a transparent image as 32-bit, WoW just shows a white box. When I save it as 24-bit WoW shows it but it loses transparency. |
| 04:34.19 | Cairenn | remembering your alpha channel? |
| 04:34.35 | Abenadi | You mean in the image or somewhere in my addon code? |
| 04:34.41 | Cairenn | in the image |
| 04:35.21 | Abenadi | I believe so... like I said saving as 24-bit causes it to lose transparency from what I can tell |
| 04:36.27 | Kirov | yes, 24 bit means 8 bits per channel, r,g,b. no alpha |
| 04:36.35 | Kirov | 32 bit means 8 bits per channel, r,g,b,a |
| 04:36.55 | Abenadi | OK, but when I save it as 32-bit WoW shows a solid white block, for all my images |
| 04:36.59 | Abenadi | even the ones with no transparency |
| 04:37.05 | Cairenn | Kirov: I know what it means, but it doesn't always mean that the alpha channel is actually saved *properly* |
| 04:37.20 | Kirov | Cairenn - I know you know: ) |
| 04:37.26 | Abenadi | I think that was for my benefit |
| 04:37.34 | Abenadi | but I still don't understand what I need to do |
| 04:38.21 | Cairenn | Abenadi: would probably need to actually see the file |
| 04:38.52 | Cairenn | Kirov: sorry |
| 04:40.44 | Abenadi | file: http://www.kelthuzad.net/images/host/corner.tga |
| 04:41.40 | Abenadi | when WoW loads it, its just a blank white square, doesn't even show the non-transparent parts |
| 04:42.09 | Abenadi | when I open it in paint.net I can see the transparency etc |
| 04:42.40 | Kirov | Are you saving it with compression on? |
| 04:43.09 | Abenadi | I think i've tried both but I believe compression is on, yes |
| 04:43.15 | Abenadi | is that wrong? |
| 04:43.22 | Kirov | compression should be off |
| 04:44.58 | Abenadi | k I'll redo it and see if it helps |
| 04:46.23 | Abenadi | same result |
| 04:47.04 | Cairenn | Abenadi: send me the actual file, if you want, I'll see if I can figure out what the problem is |
| 04:47.14 | Abenadi | I linked it above Cairenn |
| 04:47.29 | Abenadi | ty |
| 04:47.32 | Cairenn | link no good, can't view, can't download |
| 04:47.37 | Cairenn | cairenn@wowinterface.com |
| 04:47.46 | Abenadi | ok sending now |
| 04:48.28 | Cairenn | no promises though, been a while since I've played with graphics and developing a migraine to boot |
| 04:48.52 | Abenadi | sent |
| 04:48.55 | Abenadi | : ) |
| 04:49.12 | Fructose | I'm going to keep a list of items with each player and I'm going to want to get a list of players who have a particular item... do you think it's better practice to keep two lists, one indexed with player, and one index with items, or do you think it'd be better to index just the player and perform a search for the items? |
| 04:50.32 | Fructose | In other words, twice the memory or many times the cycles for searching? |
| 04:55.17 | Kirov | how much information? |
| 04:56.51 | Kirov | Fructose - how much information would you be saving |
| 04:57.35 | Cairenn | Abenadi: got it, finally showed up on both, gimme a couple |
| 04:58.02 | Abenadi | ok thanks a lot |
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| 05:02.08 | Cairenn | Abenadi: which parts are supposed to be visible? just the stuff in black? |
| 05:02.15 | Abenadi | yes, that's it |
| 05:02.37 | Cairenn | so none of the grey is supposed to show, yes? |
| 05:02.48 | Abenadi | I have other images that aren't quite so simple, but since they all act the same way I chose the very basic one |
| 05:02.51 | Abenadi | Yes Cairenn |
| 05:03.08 | Abenadi | only the black right-angle bit is supposed to show |
| 05:03.24 | Abenadi | when I save it as 32bit, no compression, WoW only shows a white block to me |
| 05:03.39 | Abenadi | when I save it as 24bit I see the image without transparency |
| 05:03.54 | Abenadi | same thing with all the ones I made |
| 05:05.24 | Abenadi | Maybe I just need to try another program? Someone suggested paint.net the other day and I really like it, just this one thing is giving me issues =( |
| 05:05.46 | Fructose | Kirov: That would be up to the players. I would think no more than 100 items |
| 05:05.58 | Fructose | Kirov: Probably more like 25 on average |
| 05:07.15 | Kirov | Then keep two tables |
| 05:07.20 | Kirov | it'll be tons faster |
| 05:07.37 | Kirov | and if all your keeping is tables of itemids and people, it's not much info |
| 05:08.52 | Kirov | if you want to save some memory, keep the lists as strings |
| 05:09.27 | Kirov | PeoplesGearTable[Name]="item1|item2|item3|"; |
| 05:11.40 | Cairenn | Abenadi: incoming |
| 05:13.14 | Cairenn | Abenadi: a lot of people like GIMP. I don't use it, since I have Photoshop, but Gimp has the advantage of being free ;) |
| 05:13.37 | Abenadi | I loaded that up in WoW and it shows the image with no transparency |
| 05:14.01 | Abenadi | I have photoshop also but I found paint.net to have a learning curve that suited me better |
| 05:16.08 | Cairenn | Abenadi: the one I just sent? |
| 05:16.12 | Abenadi | yes |
| 05:16.16 | Cairenn | hrm |
| 05:16.34 | Cairenn | then I'm stumped |
| 05:16.46 | Abenadi | Well thank you for trying |
| 05:16.51 | Abenadi | I'll try GIMP or something I guess |
| 05:17.06 | Cairenn | it's probably something that'll make me slap my forehead when it's figured out, but darned if I can think of what could be the problem tonight |
| 05:17.19 | Cairenn | *personally speaking* ... I HATE gimp |
| 05:17.25 | Kirov | Fructose - are you saving item ids, or names, or the entire link? |
| 05:17.48 | Cairenn | I could NOT figure out how to do ANYTHING using gimp |
| 05:18.06 | Kirov | Yeah, I don't like Gimp at all |
| 05:18.21 | Cairenn | if I can't have PhotoShop, give me PaintShopPro |
| 05:18.22 | Kirov | It's like anything created initially for linux |
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| 05:25.28 | Cairenn | whee, net split |
| 05:50.57 | Kirov | Fructose - still here? |
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| 05:59.55 | Kirov | hmm |
| 06:04.06 | Fructose | Kirov: Sorry, back. |
| 06:04.12 | Fructose | Kirov: Doing UBRS :) |
| 06:06.13 | Fructose | Kirov: Thanks for the example |
| 06:06.51 | Fructose | Kirov: Careful what you say about Linux though :) |
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| 06:13.33 | Cairenn|sleep | night guys |
| 06:13.44 | FISKER_Q | well it didn't reset anything Mikma |
| 06:13.47 | FISKER_Q | so i guess it worke :P |
| 06:13.49 | FISKER_Q | worked* |
| 06:14.57 | Ktron | night Cairenn|sleep |
| 06:15.40 | Mikma | FISKER_Q: it shouldn't reset anything anymore |
| 06:15.48 | Mikma | FISKER_Q: but do the other changes work? :P |
| 06:15.54 | Mikma | are there any errors etc? |
| 06:16.53 | FISKER_Q | oh duh :P |
| 06:18.15 | FISKER_Q | well * fixed a bug with hidden bars still being hidden after profilechange works |
| 06:18.25 | FISKER_Q | dunno what * Enabling all bars after login is now toggleable on/off is about |
| 06:18.26 | FISKER_Q | :P |
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| 06:22.14 | Fructose | How do you get the current player's name? |
| 06:22.33 | |FF|Im2good4u | GetUnitName("Player") |
| 06:22.53 | |FF|Im2good4u | ehh whitout the Get sorry |
| 06:24.11 | |FF|Im2good4u | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_UnitName - UnitName("player") |
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| 06:28.33 | Fructose | Hmm. So, I want to keep track of general items, not ones made by particular people or with particular enchants. However, the itemString includes the suffix, which I do think is important. Is the best way to do it just to strip the enchantID, and uniqueID myself? |
| 06:29.10 | Fructose | In other words, make it 0? You should know, Kirov. You're mentioned on that wiki entry. :) |
| 06:29.25 | Kirov | heh, I wrote that wiki entry |
| 06:30.53 | Kirov | yeah, you can either 0 them out and keep the first and third numbers, or you can just save the link as itemid:suffixid and convert it back to the full itemid:0:suffixid:0 when you need it |
| 06:31.05 | Esamynn | Fructose: yes, you should be able just make those fields 0 |
| 06:31.14 | Kirov | Doesn't really save that much though, so it might be easier to just zero them. |
| 06:33.00 | Kirov | http://wowi.pastey.net/1017 - how I'd probably do it |
| 06:33.23 | Kirov | the items would be saved looking like this 1452:0:412 or 1412:0:0 |
| 06:33.54 | Kirov | if you want to make it a "real" link, just "item:"..itemid..":0" |
| 06:34.55 | Fructose | OK, it's not clear to me what happens when you don't have the full 4 ints |
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| 06:35.57 | Kirov | in what situation? |
| 06:36.02 | Fructose | Any |
| 06:36.29 | Fructose | Would item:1234:0 be the same as item:1234:0:0:0 ? |
| 06:36.44 | Kirov | No |
| 06:36.55 | Kirov | For your code you're just storing it condensed |
| 06:37.07 | Kirov | to actually use the itemlink you need all 4 numbers. |
| 06:37.37 | Kirov | but since the fourth number is pointless on links, and you're not caring about enchants, we simply don't save that |
| 06:37.39 | Fructose | OK, so you're saying, in item:a:b:c:d, I just keep a and c, and then reform the rest later. |
| 06:38.34 | Kirov | yeah |
| 06:41.50 | Fructose | So then I'd use something like local _,_,itemID,_,_,suffixID = string.find(item, "|Hitem:(%d+):(%d+):(%d+):"); |
| 06:42.29 | Fructose | And then use itemId.."."..suffixID for my key |
| 06:43.24 | Kirov | yeah, that'll work |
| 06:44.17 | Kirov | local _,_,itemID,suffixID = string.find(item, "|Hitem:(%d+):%d+:(%d+)") |
| 06:44.33 | Fructose | And "item" is actually the link I'd get from GetContainerItemLink(bag, slot)? |
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| 06:46.36 | Kirov | yes |
| 06:49.31 | Fructose | Alright. As is there a sorted list available in Lua? |
| 06:50.47 | Kirov | a way to sort a list you mean? |
| 06:50.49 | Fructose | Actually, nevermind. How about a way to get a timestamp, though? |
| 06:51.06 | Kirov | depends |
| 06:51.40 | Kirov | Are you getting a time stamp to display? |
| 06:51.52 | Fructose | For now, I'm just storing it. I'll want to display it later, though. |
| 06:51.53 | Kirov | or a timestamp for internal comparison |
| 06:52.21 | Kirov | time() |
| 06:52.33 | Fructose | I will probably want to do comparisons too. |
| 06:52.44 | Kirov | returns a big fat number that's easy to use for comparisons |
| 06:53.04 | Kirov | It's the number of seconds since Lua was created. |
| 06:53.15 | Kirov | (a constant date to compare against) |
| 06:54.23 | Fructose | Since Lua was created or since the Unix epoch? |
| 06:55.43 | Kirov | you can then use date("%m/%d/%Y", time()) to get the date in a readable format |
| 06:55.50 | Kirov | I believe it's the Lua epoch |
| 06:56.42 | Fructose | Alright. So, I'm a little confused on how to make tables in code... |
| 06:57.01 | Fructose | I'm used to making lists like this {a b c d e f g} |
| 06:57.16 | Fructose | Or A list of pairs would be {{a 1} {b 2} {c 3}} |
| 06:57.38 | Fructose | All I see is "fieldlist" |
| 06:57.42 | Fructose | ...in the documentation |
| 06:58.53 | Kirov | it's the same in lua, only with "," or ";" |
| 07:00.43 | Kirov | tableName = {a,b,c,d,e,f,g} |
| 07:01.18 | Kirov | for pairs you'd use a hash table |
| 07:01.34 | Fructose | OK, so I could do table[item] = {someFrame.quantity, time()}; |
| 07:02.08 | Kirov | tableName = { a=1, b=2, c=3 } |
| 07:02.09 | Kirov | or |
| 07:02.09 | Kirov | tableName = { ["a"]=1, ["b"]=2, ["c"]=3 } |
| 07:02.48 | Fructose | Well, I need to add and remove one item at a time |
| 07:03.17 | Kirov | tableName[int or string] = whatever |
| 07:03.26 | Kirov | or tableName.string = whatever |
| 07:04.18 | Fructose | So if whatever is {someFrame.quantity, time()}, does that work? :) |
| 07:04.48 | Kirov | yes |
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| 07:05.11 | Fructose | So then my previous example ... table[item] = {someFrame.quantity, time()}; ... is fine? |
| 07:05.16 | Kirov | Yep |
| 07:05.20 | Fructose | OK |
| 07:05.53 | Kirov | tables in lua are both arrays and hashes, depending on what it needs to be. |
| 07:06.13 | Kirov | As soon as you add an item that's a string, or a non-sequential number, it becomes a hash. |
| 07:06.26 | Kirov | you can only do sorts on arrays |
| 07:06.46 | Fructose | Well, if I have a key, it's essentially sorted for me |
| 07:07.05 | Kirov | well, define sorted |
| 07:07.52 | Fructose | I don't have to search to find an item |
| 07:08.24 | Kirov | well, it's a hash table, so you just need to know the key to find the value. |
| 07:08.35 | Fructose | Right |
| 07:09.02 | Kirov | "sorted" infers something else |
| 07:09.36 | Kirov | ie: iterating over the table using "next" would return the key/value pairs in a specific order |
| 07:10.52 | Fructose | And how would you delete a key? |
| 07:11.05 | krka | t[key] = nil |
| 07:11.23 | Fructose | And if it's already nil, that won't hurt anything, right? |
| 07:11.31 | Kirov | if it's nil it doesn't exist |
| 07:12.07 | Fructose | Yeah, but setting something that's already nil to nil won't give me an error, will it? |
| 07:12.27 | Kirov | usually no |
| 07:12.31 | Fructose | That way I can avoid the "if exists, then delete" and skip to the "delete" bit. |
| 07:13.11 | Kirov | if myTable.name is nil, = nil won't throw an error, but if you tried to do myTable.name.stuff = nil it'll get unhappy |
| 07:13.21 | Fructose | OK |
| 07:13.48 | Tem | Anyone seen the movie Resevoir Dogs? |
| 07:13.51 | Fructose | Do you know anything about the Enchanced Tooltip lib? |
| 07:13.59 | Fructose | Tem: Yeah, a while back. |
| 07:14.12 | Tem | The last scene is bothering me |
| 07:14.18 | Fructose | Yeah, lots of blood. |
| 07:14.20 | Fructose | :-) |
| 07:14.20 | Tem | no one shoots the guy in the blue jacket |
| 07:14.39 | Tem | but yet, he lays dead with a bullet in his chest |
| 07:14.40 | Fructose | Oh, everyone's so densensitized these days. |
| 07:14.42 | Kirov | Why do I have to be Mr. Pink? |
| 07:15.12 | Tem | yes, and Mr. F'ing Pink -- the guy I hated the most in that movie -- gets away with the diamonds |
| 07:15.35 | Tem | but seriously, no one shoots that guy |
| 07:15.54 | Tem | Joe shoots the cop, Larry shoots Joe, Blue Jacket guy shoots Larry |
| 07:16.11 | Tem | 3 gunshots, 4 guys shot |
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| 07:24.36 | Kirov | 4 people get shot but only 3 shots are fired. Tarantino said it was a mistake but left it in the movie for people to debate. |
| 07:24.56 | Kirov | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reservoir_Dogs |
| 07:26.56 | Mikma | 1 bullet killed 2, yay! |
| 07:27.41 | Tem | Thanks Kirov |
| 07:28.32 | krka | wtf, NileCity isn't listed in the references-section |
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| 07:31.04 | ckknight | hey all |
| 07:32.53 | jaxdahl | hey |
| 07:32.56 | Kirov | woah |
| 07:33.14 | Kirov | when you click on a link it now takes you to a warning page |
| 07:33.18 | jaxdahl | yep |
| 07:33.20 | jaxdahl | link interception |
| 07:33.28 | jaxdahl | it's funny.. if you link that page.. |
| 07:33.34 | jaxdahl | it infinitely loops |
| 07:33.55 | jaxdahl | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=27632768&sid=1#5 |
| 07:35.09 | jaxdahl | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/redirect.html?redirectURL= |
| 07:37.51 | jaxdahl | anyway |
| 07:37.55 | jaxdahl | it's horribly broken and untested |
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| 08:00.55 | Xuerian|Dead | 'night :P |
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| 09:41.11 | Mikk | morning |
| 09:41.27 | Mikk | I have a slight problem. My linux box finally went tits-up. |
| 09:41.37 | Mikk | This means that MikkBot isn't doing what it should on WoWWiki |
| 09:42.00 | Mikma | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:42.08 | Mikk | I don't suppose anyone here would have a linux box that they could lend me a regular shell acount on for a bit? |
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| 11:13.21 | thr | It's not posssible to "delete" a frame? |
| 11:13.32 | thr | Like remove it totaly so you can't do Framename:Show() ? |
| 11:13.48 | thr | Hmm, I guess you could overwrite the global variable but that's kinda ugly. |
| 11:13.54 | thr | And I want to delete it to free up resources, any ideas? |
| 11:15.54 | wereHamster | thr, frame:Hide() frame.Show = function() end |
| 11:16.14 | wereHamster | but you can't delete the frame and free its ressources |
| 11:17.06 | wereHamster | there are libraries that let you 'free' frames so other addons can reuse them, maybe you should take a look at them |
| 11:17.28 | thr | well, it's more of a princpial point of view i wanna do it. |
| 11:17.37 | thr | I just don't like having unused stuff hanging around that's it. |
| 11:19.20 | wereHamster | tell the user to reload the UI ;) |
| 11:19.47 | wereHamster | this is nice: http://www.google.ch/search?q=confidential+%22not+for+public+release%22 |
| 11:20.59 | JoshBorke | thr: no you can't delete a frame once created |
| 11:22.13 | thr | Btw, i'm looking for that small (X) button that's standard, but not with an X instead _ |
| 11:22.19 | thr | - even, i know i saw it somewhere. |
| 11:22.24 | thr | just can't remember where. |
| 11:23.06 | thr | the +/- text on the same type of button as the standard X |
| 11:24.02 | JoshBorke | thr: find out what texture they used and SetTexture on the button |
| 11:24.46 | thr | ye i know, but i can't find the texture |
| 11:24.54 | thr | because i can't remember where i found it in the first place ;< |
| 11:29.38 | thr | maybe they were custom hmm. |
| 11:32.36 | thr | hmm is there any operator in lua to create a copy of a table? |
| 11:32.48 | thr | or well, any value for that. |
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| 11:32.55 | thr | i need to copy it not work on a reference. |
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| 11:33.42 | JoshBorke | woohooo! i have text! |
| 11:34.03 | |FF|Im2good4u | thr: thn u probely go to rebuild a new table key by key |
| 11:34.18 | thr | |FF|Im2good4u: yes doing that now |
| 11:34.26 | thr | but i thought maybe there was aa built in operator for it |
| 11:34.29 | thr | to just copy something |
| 11:34.41 | |FF|Im2good4u | or maybe if u can use a metatable to store automagicly store a copy of a key ones it gets added |
| 11:34.45 | JoshBorke | function copyTbl(tbl) local newTbl = {} for k,v in pairs(tbl) do if (type(v) == 'table') then newTbl[k] = copyTbl(v) else newTbl[k] = v end end |
| 11:35.00 | krka | warning for recursiveness |
| 11:35.21 | JoshBorke | hm, yea, circular tables might suck |
| 11:35.31 | thr | circual tables = headache ;< |
| 11:35.40 | thr | but this one is not circual, so no problem for me :) |
| 11:36.26 | krka | function copyTable(t) return deserialize(serialize(t)) end |
| 11:36.35 | krka | that's my easy implementation :) |
| 11:40.19 | |FF|Im2good4u | a nice looking one would be local b = a (if both are tables) |
| 11:40.28 | JoshBorke | except they aren't copies |
| 11:40.31 | JoshBorke | but rather references |
| 11:40.39 | |FF|Im2good4u | tne use a metatable on b on __newindex todo the copy :P |
| 11:41.17 | |FF|Im2good4u | ah nm that wont work :p |
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| 11:45.14 | thr | hmm |
| 11:45.28 | thr | a good ide might be to re-use the frame for something else then just let it hangaround there forever ? |
| 11:46.20 | JoshBorke | thr: yes, reuse frames :-) |
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| 11:50.42 | JoshBorke | blah, font updates aren't propogated to SimpleHTML objects until you set the text again |
| 11:52.05 | Amro | JoshBorke: did you find a solution for your knowledge base? |
| 11:53.31 | Mikk | knowledge base? |
| 11:53.37 | Mikk | wiki ftw! =) |
| 11:53.49 | JoshBorke | Mikk: i'm not writing an in-game wiki :-P |
| 11:54.06 | Mikk | o |
| 11:54.26 | Mikk | tho that'd be kinda cool =) |
| 11:54.50 | JoshBorke | Amro: yea. checksums will be a simple timestamp of the newest change. timestamps will be broadcast when someone logs in and then i'll normalize everyone else's timestamp to the local time and hope that works out for the most part |
| 11:55.14 | JoshBorke | Mikk: it'll sorta be like a wiki in game. synchronized tree structure that's browsable (and editable by some) |
| 11:55.31 | JoshBorke | i'll post a screenie real fast |
| 11:57.14 | thr | JoshBorke: Sounds very interesting, a screenie would be appriciated :d |
| 11:57.26 | Mikk | Speaking of nothing.. I'll re-beg... Can anyone lend me a unix account somewhere to run a MikkBot on for some light wowwiki householdwork while I get a new linux box up and running? |
| 11:58.03 | JoshBorke | Mikk: sure |
| 11:58.06 | Mikk | Whee! |
| 11:58.33 | Mikk | Mine went tits-up yesterday after sounding like a rusty car engine for a couple of months :-P |
| 11:59.22 | JoshBorke | late for work again... |
| 11:59.55 | JoshBorke | http://img179.imageshack.us/my.php?image=guildbookhr1.jpg |
| 12:00.00 | JoshBorke | that's still early alpha |
| 12:00.35 | JoshBorke | and yes, i stole my gui from tinypad. gonna let gello know today :-D |
| 12:00.45 | thr | very nice |
| 12:00.45 | JoshBorke | full credits go to Gello of Tinypad for the GUI, i just modified it a little bit |
| 12:00.53 | FISKER_Q | awesome |
| 12:01.00 | FISKER_Q | UBRS on crack ftw |
| 12:01.09 | Mikk | Nice idea |
| 12:01.10 | krka | guis suck, better to reuse when you can |
| 12:01.11 | JoshBorke | the portion below the ---- is autogenerated based on the topics below the current one |
| 12:01.17 | thr | Oh you should have seen our raid yesterday ;> |
| 12:01.41 | JoshBorke | Mikk: i'm gonna make it so addons can register with the mod and we can have an in-game help browser |
| 12:01.45 | thr | My guild is decent, take about 6 bosses in naxx. yesterday we wiped like 10 times on our way to(including) killing vael because people were messing around so much ;< |
| 12:01.52 | thr | Sure i was laughing the whole time but... hey ;p |
| 12:02.04 | Corrodias | laughing all the way to the repair shop, i'm sure |
| 12:02.21 | thr | I play a mage so max rep is like 12g or so |
| 12:02.27 | thr | our MT wasnt happy tho ;< |
| 12:03.04 | JoshBorke | Mikk: it's one of those ideas i hope really catches on :-) |
| 12:03.15 | Corrodias | ours doesn't have enough people for 40-man raids, yet |
| 12:03.34 | Corrodias | my druid doesn't have the gear for any raiding, yet, either |
| 12:04.44 | thr | Well I enjoyed the game more when i wasn't raiding tbh. |
| 12:04.54 | thr | Now a days I just do it... do have it done. |
| 12:04.57 | thr | *to. |
| 12:06.39 | Corrodias | well, i can't avoid it forever. i want to go do things with my friends. i want to see these interesting boss fights. :( |
| 12:06.58 | thr | All boss fights except the ones in naxx are realy booring tho imho. |
| 12:07.07 | thr | MC is so ez mode, get aggro, dps. |
| 12:07.09 | thr | on all bosses. |
| 12:07.17 | thr | bwl is close to that, AQ40 is a bit more tricky. |
| 12:07.23 | Corrodias | really? uldaman's last boss was sort of exciting. |
| 12:07.34 | Corrodias | i hear onyxia is somewhat complex |
| 12:07.37 | thr | Well, yes but uldaman was once endgame. |
| 12:07.49 | Corrodias | but i'm confused. is onyxia's lair a raid instance? |
| 12:07.49 | thr | so they made the endboss kinda cool ye |
| 12:07.53 | thr | Yes it is. |
| 12:08.06 | thr | But a _very small_ one, like 4 mobs then onyxia > done. |
| 12:08.17 | Corrodias | i see. and no good gear, or what? |
| 12:08.24 | thr | T2 Head part and some other epics. |
| 12:08.32 | Corrodias | ah |
| 12:08.46 | thr | Well i guess T2 is kinda good but meh |
| 12:08.56 | thr | Mish'Undare = <3 |
| 12:09.12 | Corrodias | eh? |
| 12:09.38 | thr | I was just referring to that T2 is ok, but i love my http://www.thottbot.com/?i=51928 more ;p |
| 12:10.17 | Corrodias | god damn my druid wants that. but he can't compete with cloth wearers for it... |
| 12:10.32 | thr | Also nicknamed the "nazi hat", but anyways... I think that naxx is by far the best instance in the game. |
| 12:10.45 | thr | The boss fights there are varying(for the most part), fun, challanging, etc. |
| 12:10.51 | Corrodias | ah, cool |
| 12:11.28 | JoshBorke | dropped on our second nef kill |
| 12:11.31 | thr | Outside naxx there are like a couple fights that are fun: Onyxia(was fun, done it to many times now tho), Major Domo Executs(Molten Core), C'Thun (AQ40), Twin Emeprors(AQ40), Razorgore(BWL) |
| 12:11.52 | thr | Also the outdoor dragons are kinda fun. |
| 12:12.13 | thr | JoshBorke: Ye our MT is kinda upset, we've hade 4 shadow flame and 3 mish'undares the last 5 BWLs ;> |
| 12:12.20 | thr | 2 times both of them dropped at the same time ;P |
| 12:12.25 | JoshBorke | nrn |
| 12:12.26 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 12:12.42 | thr | also gotten like 10 neltharions tears ;P |
| 12:13.02 | thr | JoshBorke: you're doing any naxx atm? |
| 12:13.04 | JoshBorke | there are 2 items in BWL i want first |
| 12:13.07 | JoshBorke | thr: no :_( |
| 12:13.15 | JoshBorke | thr: my guild can kill nef, but can't kill skeram |
| 12:13.22 | thr | lol? ;> (sorry) |
| 12:13.26 | thr | neff > skeram |
| 12:13.50 | Corrodias | my guild just started trying AQ20. i don't know how it went... |
| 12:13.51 | JoshBorke | i know :-( |
| 12:14.03 | thr | You should start with ZG tho, much easier. |
| 12:14.07 | thr | AQ20 is actually kinda hard ;< |
| 12:14.13 | thr | for a rare-geared guild atleast |
| 12:14.40 | Corrodias | oh, they do ZG a lot |
| 12:14.56 | thr | Oh, some other good fights - but in 20mans: Rajaxx(AQ20), Ossirian(AQ20), Buru(AQ20). Dont think there's any fun fights in ZG ;< |
| 12:15.09 | Corrodias | and MC as part of a group of guilds, but we seem largely unimpressed by the performance of the members of the other guilds >_> |
| 12:15.23 | Corrodias | not even that guy with the raptor? |
| 12:15.27 | thr | lol no ;< |
| 12:15.41 | thr | I've been full exhalted in ZG since december last year. |
| 12:15.46 | thr | ZG makes me a sad panda ;( |
| 12:15.52 | JoshBorke | that raptor guy is boring |
| 12:15.55 | Corrodias | exalted with whom, and for what? |
| 12:16.08 | thr | Corrodias: The Zandalar thingy, can't remember teh faction name now. |
| 12:16.12 | JoshBorke | my guild tried to have me (a 60 priest with mostly greens) keep the tanks up that were tanking the raptor |
| 12:16.13 | thr | But the faction you gain experience with in ZG |
| 12:16.18 | JoshBorke | Zandalar Tribe |
| 12:16.26 | thr | ye that's right ^^^ |
| 12:16.52 | thr | Actually it's harder to keep up the raptor tanks then the main tank because they get sundered to death |
| 12:17.08 | thr | so it drains alot more mana, tho you need to be quick when you heal the Mt if he takes a burst, etc. |
| 12:17.10 | Corrodias | actually, what does this zandalar tribe give you? |
| 12:17.28 | thr | Corrodias: You've seen the class things that drop from bosses? Like "Primal Hakkari Blablablab" ? |
| 12:17.37 | Corrodias | i've heard of them |
| 12:17.53 | thr | Yes, well if you get one of those for your class.. say i think the Primal Hakkari Tabard for druids |
| 12:18.15 | thr | Then if you have the correct level of reputation with Zandalar Tribe you can trade the Primal Hakkari Tabard in for a epic druid leather chest. |
| 12:18.46 | [floyd] | Does Lua provide anything similar to C++'s function- or class declarations? |
| 12:18.48 | thr | It's basicly an epic item with a "reputation" requirement before you can get it out. |
| 12:18.51 | Corrodias | i see |
| 12:19.25 | Corrodias | [floyd]: yes, functions exist, certainly.. |
| 12:19.43 | thr | Corrodias: stop lying! (haha ;p) |
| 12:19.43 | [floyd] | Corrodias: 'declarations'. |
| 12:20.03 | JoshBorke | ok, bye all, be back in 10 |
| 12:20.22 | Amro | floyd: like prototypes? |
| 12:20.30 | Corrodias | direct quote from ABInfo: "function ABI_OnLoad()" |
| 12:20.55 | [floyd] | Amro: Yep. Without an actual definition (implementation). |
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| 12:22.24 | Amro | no |
| 12:22.28 | Amro | why would you want that? |
| 12:29.21 | [floyd] | Amro`afk: To break out of circular dependencies. |
| 12:29.42 | Corrodias | actually, i've seen a circular dependence. |
| 12:30.03 | Corrodias | superinspect and superinspect_ui are mutually dependent, according to the addon chooser. i don't know how, yet. |
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| 12:30.39 | Corrodias | possibly because one is load-on-demand |
| 12:38.04 | Beladona | B2TR of Office 2007 is worse than Beta 2 was |
| 12:38.08 | Beladona | I think I am gonna roll back |
| 12:38.48 | JoshBorke | roll back |
| 12:43.42 | Mikk | ooookay this is sort of annoying |
| 12:43.53 | Mikk | I just zapped 5 flies and got a fly-free upper floor |
| 12:43.56 | Mikk | Now there's 6 new ones :< |
| 12:46.13 | Mikk | Ah. open window. Great. |
| 12:46.32 | Mikk | Was starting to wonder if I had something rotting somewhere that I didn't know of :< |
| 12:54.32 | JoshBorke | Legorol: morning |
| 12:54.39 | Corrodias | time for sleep. 'ni |
| 12:54.43 | JoshBorke | ok, so now that all the smart people are here/awake :-) |
| 12:54.47 | JoshBorke | nn Corr[home] |
| 12:55.07 | Legorol | morning |
| 12:55.54 | JoshBorke | how would i go about writing a html parser in lua? |
| 13:00.29 | Mikk | Um. Pretty much like how you'd do it in any other language =) |
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| 13:01.03 | Mikk | Just one thing: Don't do it by trimming off what you've already parsed from the beginning. The GC churn is unbelievable. |
| 13:01.27 | Mikk | (Remember that you can start searches from an offset into the string) |
| 13:01.55 | Mikk | You might want to look at the central part of the XML parser in WoWBench |
| 13:01.57 | JoshBorke | Mikk: i have no idea where to start :-) |
| 13:02.09 | Mikk | It's not 100% XML compliant but.. beh.. it works |
| 13:02.18 | Mikk | Of course, the question is what you want out of it. |
| 13:02.50 | Mikk | Do you want a parser tree or something? |
| 13:03.19 | Mikk | Or a stab at converting to plaintext? |
| 13:03.46 | JoshBorke | Mikk: convert to pseudo forum code :-D |
| 13:03.55 | Mikk | Ah |
| 13:04.00 | Mikk | Just go with a bunch of gsubs then |
| 13:04.37 | Mikk | No need to do an all-out "parser" |
| 13:04.57 | Amro`afk | i wrote one in python, converts to bbcode or bml |
| 13:05.00 | Amro`afk | mostly the same |
| 13:05.25 | Mikk | I mean... busted HTML will result in busted bbcode/bml but ... bah |
| 13:05.28 | Mikk | Not your problem imo :-P |
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| 13:10.24 | Cairenn | hey Wobin |
| 13:10.31 | Wobin | Heya Cair =) |
| 13:10.38 | Wobin | How goes things? |
| 13:10.58 | Cairenn | not bad, self? |
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| 13:12.00 | Wobin | so so... |
| 13:12.09 | Wobin | I've had a horrifically stiff neck the last few days =( |
| 13:12.14 | Wobin | So there's been little sleep |
| 13:12.17 | Cairenn | bleh, never fun |
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| 13:12.52 | Cairenn | heat packs, anti-inflammatories? |
| 13:16.22 | JoshBorke | Mikk: so, [center][color='red']red center[/center]red not centered[/color] is valid bbcode |
| 13:17.09 | JoshBorke | hm, that should be ok |
| 13:17.26 | JoshBorke | i hope... |
| 13:18.10 | Wobin | Cairenn: aye, and chiro =) |
| 13:18.37 | krka | i am making a web lua coding competition thingy atm... need ideas for games to implement |
| 13:18.50 | krka | i am currently thinking of five in a row, since it's fairly easy |
| 13:19.25 | krka | not easy to make it exciting to watch though |
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| 13:21.37 | wereHamster | krka, tetris? |
| 13:22.12 | Wobin | poker |
| 13:22.31 | Beladona | duke-nukem: lua |
| 13:22.44 | wereHamster | moonlanding |
| 13:29.07 | Wobin | Myst |
| 13:31.28 | JoshBorke | side note: never name a variable string :-X |
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| 13:52.42 | warla | hi |
| 13:53.44 | |FF|Im2good4u | hi |
| 13:54.46 | Kirkburn|Vista | Weird, someone added a Bible quote to the Horde wiki page :/ |
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| 13:55.17 | Kirkburn|Vista | Possibly more mazingly, it was relevant |
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| 14:01.07 | krka | best i've come up with is some sort of simple RTS and racing game |
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| 14:02.10 | krka | poker might actually be interesting |
| 14:02.23 | krka | ai:s bluffing against other ai:s |
| 14:02.33 | Mikk | Haha |
| 14:02.53 | Mikk | the logic for that would be slightly painful though |
| 14:03.04 | krka | agreed |
| 14:03.14 | krka | but you could also make simple logic that would work |
| 14:03.27 | krka | it's nice with a game where the logic scales well |
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| 14:07.53 | Industrial | krka: go |
| 14:07.53 | Industrial | :p |
| 14:09.04 | krka | i've already ruled out go on sooo many accounts |
| 14:09.07 | krka | 1) it's boring to watch |
| 14:09.14 | krka | 2) it's extremely hard to write any form of ai |
| 14:11.58 | Mikk | sudoku? =) |
| 14:12.15 | krka | not multiplayer |
| 14:13.30 | cogwheel | Tringo |
| 14:16.21 | thr | hmm, for about a week ago i saw a page on the wiki about frame collission detection |
| 14:16.29 | thr | can't find it again tho, anyone know which one i'm talking about? |
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| 14:17.34 | thr | found it :D |
| 14:20.01 | krka | now i'm pondering... tournament based with a fixed time, or a continuous ladder system? |
| 14:26.09 | JoshBorke | ~seen JoshBorke |
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| 14:26.23 | JoshBorke | wow, i guess it's per session |
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| 14:30.15 | malreth | krka: Go? Boring to watch?!!? |
| 14:30.31 | malreth | i've watched games that had me on the edge of my seat |
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| 14:31.17 | malreth | you go log into KGS and watch any game by TheCaptain... you then come back and tell me watching Go is boring! |
| 14:32.25 | krka | watching two AI's at go sounds boring to me |
| 14:32.36 | malreth | krka: yes... that would be awful to watch |
| 14:32.39 | krka | also, not sure how many understand the finer points of go |
| 14:32.55 | krka | i wouldn't understand shit, even if i understand the basic rules |
| 14:33.20 | malreth | in fact, watching two AIs is frustrating. You're all like, "NO!!! WRYYYYYYY!!!" |
| 14:33.44 | krka | the funnest i've watched is hockey ai |
| 14:33.50 | TS|Skrom | How many ways are there to cast a spell? |
| 14:33.58 | JoshBorke | lots |
| 14:34.10 | malreth | CastSpell() CastSpellByName() UseAction() |
| 14:34.10 | krka | exactly what do you mean by that? |
| 14:34.12 | TS|Skrom | UseAction (from the bar), CastSpell (from the book) or CastSpellByName (from anywhere) |
| 14:34.20 | TS|Skrom | is that it? |
| 14:34.27 | krka | items can have spells too |
| 14:34.30 | cogwheel | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:34.41 | TS|Skrom | doesn't /cast just call CastSpellByName? |
| 14:34.44 | malreth | correct |
| 14:34.54 | cogwheel | yeah, but it's still another "way" ;) |
| 14:34.56 | TS|Skrom | so if I hook CastSpellByName it will catch /cast too |
| 14:35.05 | cogwheel | afaik |
| 14:35.08 | TS|Skrom | right, sorry... how many ways do I need to hook if I want to catch em all :D |
| 14:35.13 | malreth | yes... Read the ChatFrame.lua to see the code behind /cast |
| 14:35.16 | krka | the three malreth said |
| 14:35.29 | TS|Skrom | okay great, just watned to make sure I had my bases covered hehe |
| 14:35.39 | krka | why do you want to hook? |
| 14:35.50 | krka | monitoring or modifying? |
| 14:35.56 | TS|Skrom | I made a totem timer addon yesterday |
| 14:36.09 | TS|Skrom | it monitors for casts, get's the spell name and then makes a timer for it |
| 14:42.21 | malreth | bargh! hargh! BEST guest comic for Girly yet! http://go-girly.com/go/girly-klingklang |
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| 14:45.13 | TS|Skrom | cool, now you can click from the bar, click from the book or use /cast and it will still make a timer |
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| 14:46.05 | JoshBorke | TS|Skrom: why not just use SPELLCAST_STOP? |
| 14:46.16 | TS|Skrom | Spellcast_Stop doesn't return spell name |
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| 15:02.42 | TS|Skrom | why doesn't CHAT_MSG_COMBAT_CREATURE_VS_SELF_HITS fire every time :( |
| 15:03.35 | TS|Skrom | I'm sorry, wrong one... |
| 15:04.49 | TS|Skrom | CHAT_MSG_COMBAT_FRIENDLY_DEATH is what's not firing every time :( |
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| 15:08.57 | JoshBorke | TS|Skrom: do you have DevTools dtchatevent on? |
| 15:09.07 | TS|Skrom | I have event catcher |
| 15:09.20 | TS|Skrom | I have DT loaded though is that event catcher better? |
| 15:11.49 | zenzelezz | TS|Skrom: every time what..? |
| 15:11.57 | JoshBorke | TS|Skrom: dtchatevent puts a simple # next to every output of your chatframes that tells you what event fired and with what args |
| 15:12.05 | TS|Skrom | I see that, pretty neat |
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| 15:14.31 | TS|Skrom | that death message shows up every time a totem times out (goes away on it's own) but if it takes lethal damage from a mob there's no message |
| 15:15.07 | AnduinLothar | <TS|Skrom>right, sorry... how many ways do I need to hook if I want to catch em all :D |
| 15:15.15 | AnduinLothar | You know you could just use a lib |
| 15:15.25 | TS|Skrom | yep I know :P |
| 15:15.55 | TS|Skrom | but 1) I wouldn't learn anything then 2) I wouldn't know which one to use XD |
| 15:15.55 | AnduinLothar | kk hf |
| 15:16.26 | AnduinLothar | well I could tell you, but if you don't want a lib, it wont help you much, will it |
| 15:16.35 | TS|Skrom | I tell you what though... when you quoted me from above.. I immediately thought to myself "Pokemon" lol |
| 15:16.50 | AnduinLothar | mmhmm |
| 15:17.08 | TS|Skrom | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:17.45 | AnduinLothar | mmhmm |
| 15:18.08 | malreth | my fiancee plays pokemon |
| 15:18.13 | malreth | completely addicted to it |
| 15:18.26 | TS|Skrom | I played it a few time son emu |
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| 15:21.10 | malreth | she just got pokemon mystery dungeon and she's all "I'm a Squirtle!" and she laughs and giggles and I smile and nod |
| 15:23.24 | TS|Skrom | lol how funn |
| 15:23.25 | TS|Skrom | y |
| 15:32.58 | Industrial | mmmmmm licorice candy |
| 15:33.06 | Industrial | *munch* |
| 15:35.47 | AnduinLothar | lol forum title: "Looking for Mod to Resize Chat Box" |
| 15:37.24 | TS|Skrom | XD |
| 15:37.29 | Industrial | ive gotten requests for idchat for ays to change channel text color |
| 15:37.34 | Industrial | ways* |
| 15:37.35 | Industrial | and what not |
| 15:39.57 | malreth | those requests always crack me up |
| 15:40.03 | thr | Is there any way to set the scale of a button? Not relative to it's parent but to it's standard size in the template? |
| 15:40.17 | malreth | "Is there a mod that gives me character specific keybindings?" |
| 15:40.45 | TS|Skrom | thr Frame:SetScale()? |
| 15:40.56 | thr | but isn't that relative to the parent? |
| 15:41.02 | malreth | yes |
| 15:41.03 | TS|Skrom | I think all scale is, no? |
| 15:41.13 | thr | well |
| 15:41.14 | thr | hmm |
| 15:41.25 | malreth | you're gonna have to do some math, thr |
| 15:41.34 | thr | not realy, i wanted to know if it's possible to set the scale of an frame relative to it's TEMPLATE |
| 15:41.43 | Industrial | i dont like the saving thingies per character being saved in multiple files |
| 15:41.44 | thr | say my template is 100x20, i wanna have 50% of that on this button. |
| 15:41.48 | Industrial | they should stick it in one :( |
| 15:41.52 | Industrial | <-- 30 chars |
| 15:41.56 | malreth | a template doesn't have a scale... it's a virtual abstraction |
| 15:42.15 | thr | well yes, but it sill have size values doesn't it. |
| 15:42.22 | thr | thus, i want to scale those size values. |
| 15:42.23 | malreth | oh... |
| 15:42.27 | malreth | that's not scale then |
| 15:42.38 | malreth | you use Relative dimensions for that then |
| 15:42.50 | thr | but isn't that also relative to the parent? |
| 15:42.57 | TS|Skrom | make a subtemplate and assign it the smaller values? |
| 15:43.18 | thr | well yes ofc. but i wanted to avoid that |
| 15:43.36 | TS|Skrom | why? |
| 15:43.41 | malreth | ok... to clear things up |
| 15:43.53 | malreth | you have a frame that is 100x100 units in size |
| 15:44.00 | thr | yes, a template. |
| 15:44.05 | malreth | you want a button in it that is 50% of the size of that frame |
| 15:44.09 | thr | exactly. |
| 15:44.21 | malreth | no matter what the actual size of the frame ends up being after the template is instantiated |
| 15:44.31 | thr | yes. |
| 15:44.46 | thr | but it's not always 50% and it's on a couple of differnet places so it's not realy practical to do all the calculations by yourself, etc. |
| 15:44.53 | thr | and to create sevaral small sub templates. |
| 15:45.41 | malreth | <Size> <RelDimension x=".5" y=".5" /> </Size> |
| 15:46.08 | thr | and that is to it's templates size not it's parent? |
| 15:46.27 | malreth | i don't know. |
| 15:46.39 | malreth | i don't know if what you're trying to do is doable |
| 15:46.44 | thr | it's to the parent. |
| 15:46.46 | thr | trust me ;P |
| 15:46.54 | malreth | ok then |
| 15:47.04 | malreth | then i think you're thinking of templates in the wrong way |
| 15:47.25 | thr | well not realy, i just wanted to know if it's possible to do that without writing like fifteen sub templates with differnet sizes. |
| 15:47.27 | thr | but i guess it's not |
| 15:47.31 | thr | so i only have one choice |
| 15:47.44 | malreth | you can't set something to be relative to the size of a 'template' because templates are abstract. |
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| 15:48.07 | malreth | the template has to be applied to a frame and created... you can set things to be relative to the size of concrete frames |
| 15:48.24 | thr | Well, yes but the template still has a "size". |
| 15:48.35 | thr | So it's possible to apply a % scale to that size, no matter if it's instatiated or not |
| 15:48.36 | malreth | no... the frame that is created from a template has a size |
| 15:48.51 | thr | Well the template still KNOWS what size should be used when it's instatied. |
| 15:49.05 | thr | Hence why I used "size" and not size. |
| 15:50.04 | malreth | see... you're still thinking of a template as being something that exists |
| 15:50.43 | TS|Skrom | thr answer this then... if you wanted to apply a % to the template... what method would you use to call the templates size in order to "math" it... |
| 15:51.02 | thr | hmm |
| 15:51.19 | thr | it's doable thru SetScale() |
| 15:51.21 | thr | for some stupid reson |
| 15:51.52 | thr | malreth: No i don't. but the template definition still has a size that's applied when it's instatiated. |
| 15:52.21 | cogwheel | Dolby-wowi: thanks for putting a "Rate Addon" on the top of the page :) |
| 15:53.22 | malreth | thr: that still doesn't make a template any less abstract |
| 15:53.35 | thr | I never said it was concrete, but it still ha a size definition inside it and i thought that maybe it was possible to call some method or do something that let you scale the frame you instatied from that size definition so you're not forced to creat ~15 small sub templates. |
| 15:53.39 | TS|Skrom | thr the answer to my question is "you can't" there's no way to GetSize() on a virtual frame |
| 15:53.55 | TS|Skrom | you can, it's SetScale() |
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| 15:54.21 | thr | well isn't the the definiton on the wiki wrong then: "The new scaling of this object and its children, relative to its parent." ? |
| 15:54.28 | TS|Skrom | no |
| 15:54.41 | TS|Skrom | UIParentScale = 1 |
| 15:54.46 | TS|Skrom | MyFrameSCale = 1 |
| 15:54.52 | TS|Skrom | ButtonScale = .5 |
| 15:55.00 | thr | But i don't want to scale to the parent, listen. |
| 15:55.23 | TS|Skrom | if you wanted the button at full size it would be ButtonScale = 1 |
| 15:55.58 | thr | well, yes ofc. but on the wiki it says the scaling from setscale() is relative to the parent |
| 15:56.07 | TS|Skrom | it is |
| 15:56.11 | malreth | thr that is correct. |
| 15:56.15 | TS|Skrom | that's what scaling is |
| 15:56.19 | TS|Skrom | it's all relative to the parent |
| 15:56.27 | TS|Skrom | which has it's scale relative to its parent |
| 15:56.32 | TS|Skrom | all the way back to UIParent |
| 15:57.02 | malreth | also, keep in mind that scale and size are two different things |
| 15:57.28 | malreth | scale is affected by the parent but size is not |
| 15:57.36 | TS|Skrom | have you ever played with the scaling slider on the interface options? |
| 15:57.50 | TS|Skrom | all that slider does is a SetScale() on everything on the screen at once XD |
| 15:58.00 | malreth | yeah.. his brain melted |
| 15:58.03 | TS|Skrom | lol |
| 15:58.55 | wereHamster | anyone from europe seen the news in the login screen? |
| 15:58.56 | malreth | or to put it more accurately, we tharged his blarg |
| 15:59.02 | TS|Skrom | bah.. I can't find an event to listen for , for when a totem dies :( |
| 15:59.27 | JoshBorke | TS|Skrom: enable all messages in your combatlog and check there |
| 15:59.30 | JoshBorke | with dtchatevent |
| 15:59.36 | TS|Skrom | did that |
| 15:59.40 | zenzelezz | wereHamster: what's that? Didn't see anything when I logged on an hour ago |
| 15:59.47 | wereHamster | am I supposed to write the long/cryptic URL down and enter it into the browser or what? |
| 15:59.51 | JoshBorke | no message is generated when they die? |
| 15:59.54 | TS|Skrom | the FRIENDLY_DEATH event fires when the totem times out (doesn't die, but it's duration expires) but not when it takes lethal damage |
| 16:00.08 | JoshBorke | what DOES fire when it takes lethal damage? |
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| 16:00.12 | TS|Skrom | nothing |
| 16:00.20 | TS|Skrom | noting in chat anyway |
| 16:00.35 | JoshBorke | there's no 'Bob's Fireball does 5 damage to n00b's totem'? |
| 16:00.40 | wereHamster | well.. they inform everyone about the login stealing and they show a wow-europe.com URL where more info can be found, and teh URL is long, spans across three lines .. |
| 16:00.54 | malreth | tinyURL FTW! |
| 16:00.54 | TS|Skrom | Well yes, and I could trap that.. however some totems have more then 5 health |
| 16:01.28 | TS|Skrom | so I guess I'm back to what I first thought of, which was to have the health for each totem and rank known to the addon :( |
| 16:01.39 | wereHamster | django-style are nice, too |
| 16:01.53 | wereHamster | s/style/stule URLs/ |
| 16:02.37 | JoshBorke | lol |
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| 16:16.05 | AnduinLothar | TS|Skrom> there should be a chat msg that says "<Unit Name> dies." same as you pet |
| 16:16.46 | JoshBorke | totems have unit names? |
| 16:17.02 | AnduinLothar | same as displayed when you click on them |
| 16:17.16 | TS|Skrom | there isn't AL |
| 16:17.31 | TS|Skrom | that message triggers when the totem expires, but not when it takes lethal damage from a mob |
| 16:17.51 | AnduinLothar | it gets damage msgs right? |
| 16:17.53 | Kevorkian | Do you get a message for the totem taking damage? |
| 16:17.55 | malreth | wb, Iriel |
| 16:17.59 | TS|Skrom | yes, that does show |
| 16:18.07 | TS|Skrom | and I'm working on catching that to see if I can make use of it |
| 16:18.09 | AnduinLothar | well they have standard hp, right? |
| 16:18.14 | TS|Skrom | some do, some don |
| 16:18.31 | Iriel | morning |
| 16:18.33 | TS|Skrom | almost all have 5 hp, but sentry has 100 and Stoneclaw has variable based on rank |
| 16:18.52 | malreth | hahahahahaha!!! http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=2070 |
| 16:18.56 | AnduinLothar | long as it's predictable |
| 16:19.03 | malreth | Hector Ruiz is funny! |
| 16:19.17 | JoshBorke | Iriel: SimpleHTML SetFont directives require you to SetText again before they take effect :-) |
| 16:19.41 | AnduinLothar | if by hostage he means the company with more resources... |
| 16:19.55 | Iriel | JoshBorke: That unfortunately doesn't surprise me, have you written wrappers for all of the functions so they behave sanely (and to give yourself GetText) ? |
| 16:20.15 | malreth | AnduinLothar: at least he's got moxy. |
| 16:20.27 | JoshBorke | Iriel: i've written a wrapper for SetText that gives me GetText. I'm only going to be doing SetFont at the beginning before I set any text, so I can live with it :-) |
| 16:21.03 | JoshBorke | i'm really only bugged by the SetWidth deal, but i'll post an addon for slouken one of these days |
| 16:21.03 | TS|Skrom | when can event registration happen? only on load? or at any time? |
| 16:21.11 | malreth | anytime |
| 16:21.15 | AnduinLothar | they could easily make them work on AMDs, but since they don't want it to run on anything except what they're selling i don't see why they would |
| 16:21.27 | malreth | AnduinLothar: yeah... |
| 16:21.48 | AnduinLothar | and they prolly have a multi-year deal with intel to only sell intels for a while |
| 16:22.24 | malreth | true that... plus they're probably getting a rockin' price from intel in exchange for suckling from their teat |
| 16:23.01 | Iriel | not a mental image I needed this morning |
| 16:23.01 | AnduinLothar | aye, more deal you cut more money they both make |
| 16:23.27 | malreth | Iriel: i can open all kinds of dark places in your mind that you never knew existed. |
| 16:23.39 | AnduinLothar | cheerful |
| 16:23.49 | malreth | i'll even number them for you |
| 16:24.47 | TS|Skrom | for k,v in pairs(darkPlaces) do |
| 16:25.00 | malreth | lol! |
| 16:25.21 | AnduinLothar | iparis if it's a list |
| 16:25.29 | AnduinLothar | er |
| 16:25.35 | AnduinLothar | yes, paris |
| 16:25.37 | malreth | purl, me? |
| 16:25.40 | purl | malreth has been level 46 for longer than the World of Warcraft has been out |
| 16:25.43 | AnduinLothar | paris is definitely dark... >.> |
| 16:25.54 | malreth | smelly |
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| 16:29.52 | cogwheel | purl, me? |
| 16:29.53 | purl | [cogwheel] a gnome. 'nuff said. |
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| 16:36.02 | Kirkburn|Vista | Morning |
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| 16:36.55 | Kirkburn|Vista | Vista really does go in and out of hibernation incredibly quickly - takes all of two seconds |
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| 16:37.47 | cogwheel | yeah yeah... rub it in :( |
| 16:37.59 | zenzelezz | one of these days someone is going to make a virus for Windows that makes it refuse to boot until sometime in the spring after going into hibernation |
| 16:38.24 | Kirkburn|Vista | cogwheel, still no luck then? |
| 16:38.33 | cogwheel | zenzelezz: SHHH!!! Why'd you tell them? |
| 16:38.42 | cogwheel | Kirkburn|Vista: i'm at work now ;) |
| 16:38.50 | Kirkburn|Vista | Ah |
| 16:39.12 | cogwheel | my system is way over due for a complete wipe anyway, so i'll probably play around with it tonight. |
| 16:39.34 | Kirkburn|Vista | I hope it works :) |
| 16:40.36 | Kirkburn|Vista | The only problems I've found so far is with .exe files copied from XP installations - you have to make sure they're set to run 'as admin' |
| 16:40.46 | Kirkburn|Vista | (exe install files, that is) |
| 16:40.57 | cogwheel | I have my SATA drive set up in the BIOS as primary... a lot of OS's seem to choke on it though (linux in particular) |
| 16:41.36 | Kirkburn|Vista | I think SATA isn't supported as a primary or something like that |
| 16:41.47 | Kirkburn|Vista | vista sata primary |
| 16:41.49 | cogwheel | Well, it's supposed to behave the same as ATA |
| 16:41.53 | Kirkburn|Vista | oops, wrong keyboard :P |
| 16:42.02 | cogwheel | but i have three other ATA drives and 2 CD/DVD drives |
| 16:42.15 | cogwheel | err.. 2 ata HDs and 2 ata CD/DVD |
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| 16:42.31 | cogwheel | so the SATA is beyond the normal number of ATA devices |
| 16:42.36 | Kirkburn|Vista | ah |
| 16:43.19 | Kirkburn|Vista | I kept seeing people say Vista had to be installed on a primary, rather than logical drive - except I've had no problems :/ |
| 16:44.00 | malreth | maybe this isn't the best thing to do while i'm connected to a wireless network |
| 16:44.05 | Kirkburn|Vista | heh |
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| 16:46.26 | Iriel | malreth: That's probably not too bad, trying to remotely reconfigure the network on a machine is generally the only cause of real trauma |
| 16:48.26 | zenzelezz | afraid I've never done anything like that... but I remember my first time compiling the Linux kernel... forgot to include the right file system |
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| 16:58.49 | JoshBork1 | hm |
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| 17:10.43 | cogwheel | Mikk: found a small bug with wowbench that really isn't worth setting up SVN for ;) |
| 17:11.11 | cogwheel | widgets.lua: Line 466: Change "this" to "self" |
| 17:12.31 | cogwheel | Mikk: ignore me... found the link to SF patch page... |
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| 17:29.28 | Kevorkian | Cide: do you do any sort of automatic traffic throttling for CTR? |
| 17:29.37 | Cide | es |
| 17:30.02 | Kevorkian | how do you determine when traffic needs to be throttled? |
| 17:31.26 | Cide | I throttle any and all messages |
| 17:32.04 | Cide | I don't have the specific numbers, but I believe it pauses for a bit if more than X messages are sent over Y sec |
| 17:32.20 | Cide | it also clumps messages together to not send as many messages |
| 17:33.20 | Kevorkian | so is the actual sending of the message more overhead than the processing involved with processing them? |
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| 17:34.03 | Cide | hopefully :) |
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| 17:35.14 | malreth | password accepted |
| 17:35.29 | malreth | now i may chat |
| 17:35.29 | Kevorkian | ~emulate malreth |
| 17:35.43 | purl | Uh... No. Malreth scares me. |
| 17:35.48 | malreth | heh |
| 17:36.05 | cogwheel | woot! SCHAR_MAX favorites on Curse ;) |
| 17:36.23 | malreth | 127? |
| 17:36.29 | cogwheel | :) |
| 17:37.16 | abug | hey kevorkian what server are you from? |
| 17:37.31 | AnduinLothar | yeah. i cheated. I picked up a mod that already had 6k+ favs |
| 17:38.20 | AnduinLothar | now all I have to do is branch titan again... |
| 17:38.30 | AnduinLothar | Step #3) Profit. |
| 17:40.37 | cogwheel | That's one thing i liked about Eve... Since everyone's in the same universe, people were able to sell services like forum signature images, and other things for in-game currency... CCP even allows pepole to buy game cards from others with in-game money... There are people who don't even pay subscriptions anymore 'cause they are so rich in-game |
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| 17:42.02 | abug | Is there a way to make a text box that has focus stop blocking keybindings? |
| 17:42.39 | cogwheel | ... that would make it impossible to type in the edit box... |
| 17:43.00 | cogwheel | especially for people like me who have the whole left half of the keyboard bound to action buttons |
| 17:43.06 | Kevorkian | abug: sorry, was afk, I'm on gilneas, but warcraft realms lists over 100 other kevorkians |
| 17:43.24 | abug | ah, I used to know a kevorkian on zul'jin |
| 17:43.32 | cogwheel | heh... i wonder how many legolas's there are ;) |
| 17:43.48 | cogwheel | or gnomes named David |
| 17:44.09 | Kevorkian | tell ya in a min :) |
| 17:44.50 | Kevorkian | 39 gnomes named david |
| 17:44.54 | Kirkburn|Vista | Why do I not know the name Kevorkian ? |
| 17:45.02 | Kirkburn|Vista | kevorkian |
| 17:45.08 | Kirkburn|Vista | Dammit, wrong keyboard, again! |
| 17:45.25 | Kevorkian | 0 legolas, probably a restricted name |
| 17:45.28 | JoshBorke | Kirkburn|Vista: where's your label? |
| 17:45.40 | Kirkburn|Vista | On my forehead :P |
| 17:45.48 | Kevorkian | kirkburn: why would you know the name? |
| 17:45.56 | Amro | kevorkian: there are plenty of legolas's |
| 17:45.57 | cogwheel | Dr. Kevorkian |
| 17:46.06 | Kirkburn|Vista | I've never heard of it, just wondered why it was so popular |
| 17:46.10 | Kevorkian | amro: not spelled that |
| 17:46.36 | Kevorkian | kirkburn: Dr. Kevorkian is a doctor famous for his efforts in espousing the right to die, and doctor assisted suicide |
| 17:46.36 | abug | we need a "Three degrees of Kevorkian" site |
| 17:46.37 | Amro | there's one on my realm spelled that at least :] |
| 17:46.43 | cogwheel | Kirkburn|Vista: he's a doctor in the US who got in trouble for assisting suicides of chronically ill patients |
| 17:46.58 | Kirkburn|Vista | Interesting choice of a name |
| 17:47.04 | Kevorkian | I thought it a fitting name for an undead priest |
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| 17:47.12 | abug | you and 100 other people |
| 17:47.16 | Kevorkian | yep |
| 17:47.17 | Kirkburn|Vista | heh |
| 17:48.24 | Kevorkian | Amro: if there are folks named Legolas (with that exact spelling) they never log on while anybody is taking census data |
| 17:48.43 | cogwheel | WTF? why are there Cogwheels that aren't gnomes? |
| 17:49.26 | Kevorkian | its worth noting that there is a guild called Legolas Anonymous |
| 17:49.29 | Kirkburn|Vista | <-- is glad he has a unique name |
| 17:49.34 | Amro | maybe with a different spelling |
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| 17:51.42 | Kevorkian | if they ever make a bard analog class I'll have to make an undead bard named "Elvis" |
| 17:52.44 | Kevorkian | hmm, also appears to be protected |
| 17:52.58 | Kevorkian | heh, but Ehlvis isn't |
| 17:53.08 | Kirkburn|Vista | well, duhh :P |
| 17:53.31 | Kevorkian | neither is lvis |
| 17:53.50 | abug | Fun Fact: Sudafed is a blocked name |
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| 17:54.21 | Kevorkian | fair number of folks named Nixon, but only a small number are rogues |
| 17:54.26 | AnduinLothar | trademarked names are against the toa |
| 17:54.29 | Kevorkian | I guess they really aren't crooks |
| 17:54.36 | Kirkburn|Vista | heh |
| 17:54.42 | Kevorkian | a good thing you can't trademark a proper name |
| 17:54.57 | Kirkburn|Vista | Yeah, I think Blizz has a big long list of trademarked names they add to over time |
| 17:55.59 | Kirkburn|Vista | (it may even be a provided list for businesses, sounds like a sensible business thing, but I dunno) |
| 17:56.22 | abug | look in patch.mpq\DBFilesClient\NamesReserved.dbc |
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| 17:58.02 | Kirkburn|Vista | It's an offline list? |
| 17:59.17 | abug | the server may or may not have its own list, but the client checks against that list before submitting |
| 17:59.31 | Kirkburn|Vista | I suppose that makes sense, elss server load |
| 17:59.34 | Kirkburn|Vista | *less |
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| 18:00.48 | Kirov | whats the firefox extension to remove the double lines in [pre] text? |
| 18:01.14 | malreth | i wrote a greasemonkey script for that Kirov |
| 18:01.40 | malreth | it seems to be working now that i removed the autoscroll stuff |
| 18:02.45 | Kevorkian | How many servers are there? |
| 18:03.46 | Kirov | malrth - where's the script? |
| 18:03.48 | Kirkburn|Vista | About 371 in the EU and US |
| 18:04.16 | Kirkburn|Vista | Make that 372 combined |
| 18:04.30 | malreth | one sec... |
| 18:05.16 | Kirkburn|Vista | 372 is NA and EU (all languages) |
| 18:05.30 | malreth | https://webspace.utexas.edu/triti/www/wowforumfix.user.js |
| 18:05.34 | abug | what's up with the LoadOnDemand and RegisterForSave guilds? |
| 18:05.52 | Kirkburn|Vista | (I should stop referring to it as US, force of habit) |
| 18:05.57 | Kirov | malreth - thanks |
| 18:06.32 | Kirov | Kirkburn|Vista - pfff.. like Canadians play wow. |
| 18:06.42 | Kirkburn|Vista | ;) |
| 18:06.51 | malreth | bbl |
| 18:06.58 | cogwheel | don't even need JS |
| 18:07.03 | cogwheel | just a personal style sheet |
| 18:07.17 | Kevorkian | heh, there's 152 kevorkians, so 41% the servers have a Kevorkian |
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| 18:08.07 | cogwheel | @-moz-document domain(forums.worldofwarcraft.com) { pre { overflow: auto !important; } pre br { display: none !important; } } |
| 18:08.20 | Kevorkian | But I do have the only DirePaul at least |
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| 18:18.39 | TS|Skrom | cool, I got the timers to go away on damage now... but there's still the problem of ones with more then 5 hp... hrm.. |
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| 18:32.03 | ckknight_ | hey all |
| 18:33.06 | JoshBorke | ckknight: hi |
| 18:33.13 | Amro | hey ckknight |
| 18:33.38 | Kevorkian | skrom: aren't the HP values of the other totems known? |
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| 18:39.01 | AnduinLothar | any french speakers? |
| 18:39.18 | AnduinLothar | or german |
| 18:39.21 | Amro | <- |
| 18:39.35 | Kevorkian | comment allez vous? |
| 18:39.52 | AnduinLothar | translate: "Auto Swap Enabled" |
| 18:40.03 | Kevorkian | Va te fait foutre |
| 18:40.20 | Kevorkian | actually most of my french is restricted to obscenities |
| 18:40.25 | Amro | Echange Automatique Activé |
| 18:40.40 | AnduinLothar | ah, i was close |
| 18:40.50 | AnduinLothar | direct translation of Changement? |
| 18:41.24 | Amro | changement is change |
| 18:41.31 | AnduinLothar | what tense? |
| 18:41.43 | Amro | no tense, change as a noun |
| 18:41.46 | Kevorkian | believe in that context change is a noun |
| 18:42.18 | AnduinLothar | could it be used to changing? |
| 18:42.36 | ven | "Automatischer Wechsel aktiviert" |
| 18:43.01 | Amro | what do you mean Anduin? |
| 18:43.01 | AnduinLothar | nm, i see it's a noun in the other context i was looking at too |
| 18:43.08 | Kevorkian | changer is the verb form |
| 18:43.13 | AnduinLothar | aye |
| 18:43.25 | Kevorkian | je change, tu change, il change, nous changons, vous changez |
| 18:43.54 | Amro | elle? |
| 18:43.58 | Kevorkian | il/elle |
| 18:44.18 | Amro | hehe, half the conjugations are the same |
| 18:44.23 | cogwheel | il/elle/on |
| 18:44.24 | Kevorkian | my french is even more rusty than my programming though |
| 18:44.29 | Kevorkian | so take with a grain of salt |
| 18:44.56 | Kevorkian | I was fluent once upon a time, it just happens that that time was back in 1985 |
| 18:45.31 | cogwheel | my wife was born in 1984... |
| 18:45.34 | cogwheel | ;) |
| 18:45.52 | AnduinLothar | was just trying to guess based on other translations i have and my nil french knowledge |
| 18:45.53 | AnduinLothar | thx ven |
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| 18:46.07 | ven | np |
| 18:46.19 | Kirov | cogwheel - your wife is young |
| 18:46.29 | Kirov | I thought I was young, and I'm older. |
| 18:46.32 | cogwheel | i'm only a year and 3 months older than her ;) |
| 18:46.38 | Kevorkian | you're young too then |
| 18:46.53 | AnduinLothar | deaktiviert being the inverse? |
| 18:47.05 | Kevorkian | I was born in 1969. Your wife was born when I was 15 |
| 18:47.23 | ven | yeah |
| 18:47.45 | Corrodias | mmm |
| 18:48.11 | cogwheel | you were fluent in french at 15? that's impressive ;) |
| 18:48.28 | cogwheel | my mom was 6 when you were born though ;) |
| 18:48.32 | Kirov | wait, is Kevorkian a canuk? |
| 18:48.58 | Kevorkian | I was raised in Toronto, and my mother thought it would be a good idea for me to be in the "extended french" program, in spite of having almost no aptitude for languages |
| 18:49.11 | Kirov | eek! |
| 18:49.19 | Kirov | canadian! |
| 18:49.20 | Kevorkian | kirov: american by birth, current residence and citizenship, but I grew up in Toronto |
| 18:49.30 | Kirov | heh |
| 18:49.59 | Kirov | As long as you didn't grow up in Winipeg... |
| 18:50.09 | Kirov | Toronto is a cool city |
| 18:50.25 | Kevorkian | I miss it greatly. I have yet to find a city in the USA that is comparable |
| 18:50.35 | Kevorkian | not that i've looked especially hard mind you, but still |
| 18:50.43 | cogwheel | man... now i feel like a ptuz for posting that article about bike helmets yesterday :\ |
| 18:50.55 | Kevorkian | eh? |
| 18:51.06 | cogwheel | did you not see the Global Notice that just came through? |
| 18:51.18 | cogwheel | LoRez*[Global Notice] Hi all. Some of you may not have heard the news that Rob Levin, known to most as Freenode's head of staff lilo, passed away on the 16th following a car accident on the 12th. Condolences can still be sent to condolences@freenode.net, and will be passed along to his family. |
| 18:51.45 | cogwheel | apparently he was hit while riding a bike... :( |
| 18:52.01 | AnduinLothar | and not wearing a helmit if the wiki is right |
| 18:52.04 | Kevorkian | ya, old news. I saw that on BoingBoing on the 16th |
| 18:52.29 | Kevorkian | or maybe it was slashdot |
| 18:52.32 | Kevorkian | they all run together |
| 18:53.15 | Corrodias | bikes are dangerous. we need some mothers to band together and make a petition to ban bicycles. |
| 18:53.44 | AnduinLothar | ... |
| 18:54.09 | JoshBorke | walking can be dangerous too. haven't you seen people tripping and running into things? |
| 18:54.17 | Kirov | MABB? |
| 18:54.36 | cogwheel | Tonight on 20/20: Bicycles - Convenient, green, transportation, or Looming threat to our society? You decide... |
| 18:54.38 | Kirov | or MAMM, mothers against moving much |
| 18:55.03 | Amro | MAAFT: Mothers against all forms of transportation |
| 18:55.07 | Kevorkian | ya, it's not the bike that does the damage, it's the massive object moving at high relative velocity that causes the pain |
| 18:55.33 | Amro | god why dont people wait for a reply when they ask "ready?" |
| 18:55.35 | cogwheel | It wasn't the fall that killed him... it was the landing... |
| 18:56.00 | Corrodias | READYOKGO! |
| 18:56.01 | cogwheel | MATG: Mothers Against The Ground |
| 18:56.07 | Kevorkian | they're not asking, they're telling |
| 18:56.10 | Kirov | Actually it's the loss of oxygen to the brain. |
| 18:56.29 | Kirov | the fall is just consequential |
| 18:57.12 | Kevorkian | well, in the case of blunt force trauma caused by massive decelleration or accelleration it's often the case that the brain is somewhat... pulped and that lack of oxygen is the least of it's problems |
| 18:57.50 | Kevorkian | I love watching mythbusters simulate head injuries on dummies |
| 18:58.07 | tyroney|work | Aw, I missed all the french. |
| 18:58.10 | Kirov | Did you see the hand in the shotgun one? |
| 18:58.20 | Kevorkian | kirov: nope, I missed that one |
| 19:00.13 | Corrodias | alright, i'm going off to home, now. see ya |
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| 19:02.35 | CrazyMYKL | gah! how do i get my draggable frame to stay put when I reload the UI? |
| 19:03.10 | Amro | you mean remember its last position? |
| 19:04.05 | CrazyMYKL | exactly |
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| 19:05.11 | Amro | save it and set it again on startup |
| 19:05.13 | Kevorkian | save it out in your variables everytime the move it |
| 19:05.31 | Kevorkian | s/the m/they m |
| 19:10.05 | JoshBorke | heh, my frames automagically get saved |
| 19:10.09 | JoshBorke | dunno how it does it |
| 19:11.24 | AnduinLothar | have to set them to user set |
| 19:12.07 | AnduinLothar | frame:SetUserPlaced(1) i believe |
| 19:17.55 | ckknight_ | brb |
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| 19:27.16 | abug | has anyone ever gotten the SetModel("path") widget to work on non-doodad models? |
| 19:27.24 | abug | so the skins are rendered |
| 19:27.52 | abug | er not widget, widget method |
| 19:32.39 | MentalPower|ZZzz | abug: that is normal for those models since the models themselves are separate from their skins, theres nothing you can do about it. |
| 19:38.21 | abug | QQ |
| 19:39.01 | abug | oh well thanks |
| 19:41.59 | cogwheel | Hehe... Private Helmet <Warriors of Valor> |
| 19:42.59 | Kirkburn|Vista | Amazingly Mac OS has actually lost market share in the last year :/ |
| 19:43.24 | cogwheel | i caught that... it's only like 0.02%, but they had been gaining ground consistently before that... |
| 19:43.50 | Kirkburn|Vista | It's at 3.71% atm, down from 3.74% last year (it rose and fell in between) |
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| 19:44.38 | Kirkburn|Vista | XP now has 84% market share, but 'Other' OSes has gone up from 1.5% to 2%, which is a good sign at least |
| 19:47.14 | CrazyMYKL | 84+2~=100 |
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| 19:48.29 | cogwheel | 84+2+3.71+other windows = 100 |
| 19:48.45 | cogwheel | win2k, & 98 still have significant chunks |
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| 19:51.39 | malreth | ring ring ring ring ring ring ring ring... |
| 19:51.46 | Kevorkian | they have a category for *nix that isn't glommed into the "other" category? |
| 19:52.02 | Kevorkian | purl, dict glom |
| 19:52.22 | Kevorkian | wow, it's actually a word |
| 19:53.15 | cogwheel | iriel: were you the one yesterday thinking of combining FauxScrollFrame techniques with an actual fluid scrollframe? |
| 19:53.16 | cogwheel | i'm thinking of trying that out for BuyDropper :) |
| 19:53.49 | AnduinLothar | um, why? |
| 19:53.50 | Cide | as in, you fake a fluid scroll by moving them up/down and them snapping back? |
| 19:53.55 | cogwheel | yeah |
| 19:53.59 | Cide | sounds tricky |
| 19:54.08 | cogwheel | AnduinLothar: 'cause it would look cool and be a challenge :) |
| 19:54.18 | AnduinLothar | yeah. i tried |
| 19:54.21 | AnduinLothar | i failed |
| 19:54.29 | Cide | would be a fun pet project though :P |
| 19:55.04 | AnduinLothar | I needed it for aligning a fake scrollign editbox to the chat frame, but i never could get it accurate |
| 19:55.11 | cogwheel | The main reason is that the items i'm scrolling are rather large (MerchantItemTemplates) and there would only be, say, 5 per full page. It would be much easier follow the scrolling if it were smooth |
| 19:55.35 | FISKER_Q | Kirkburn|Vista so mac os is down to 4 users again? :( |
| 19:55.55 | JoshBorke | i'm 3 of them |
| 19:55.58 | FISKER_Q | :o |
| 19:56.20 | Iriel | cogwheel: I was, yes |
| 19:56.48 | AnduinLothar | but i had additional issues |
| 19:57.02 | Iriel | cogwheel: Since OnUpdate fires RIGHT before the screeen is drawn you can always make good before your stuff is rendered |
| 19:57.04 | AnduinLothar | liek auto text wrapping |
| 19:57.55 | Kirkburn|Vista | I would paste the article link for the OS usage, but it's on my other PC :P |
| 19:57.57 | AnduinLothar | and resizable text |
| 19:58.14 | cogwheel | yeah... mine's all fixed-size stuff... |
| 19:58.29 | FISKER_Q | GUI ftl imo |
| 19:58.52 | FISKER_Q | even if vista was a good ripoff of mac os x i still don't want to use it |
| 19:59.09 | AnduinLothar | i think at one point i even tried rendering each line in a fontstring and measuring the width to see how many times it would auto-wrap.. |
| 19:59.11 | Kirkburn|Vista | (ach, I'll post it anyway: it's on marketshare.hitslink.com) |
| 20:00.04 | AnduinLothar | ended up giving up on the project for that flaw and also the fact that editboxes explode when you put too much text in them |
| 20:00.29 | FISKER_Q | ouch |
| 20:00.38 | FISKER_Q | Windows Me actually has a marketshare |
| 20:00.40 | AnduinLothar | as in you can sellect and copy but it truncates in the middle and half the text is invisible |
| 20:01.05 | Cide | FISKER_Q: GUI's for the lose... elaborate :) |
| 20:01.25 | AnduinLothar | although that might also have been because each line had at least 4 color codes |
| 20:01.36 | AnduinLothar | (invisible characters) |
| 20:01.39 | FISKER_Q | I just don't like all the developement at the moment |
| 20:01.55 | FISKER_Q | I don't need some 3d desktop |
| 20:02.33 | Kirkburn|Vista | *sigh* Vista is not about a 3d desktop |
| 20:02.33 | cogwheel | FISKER_Q: it's not really 3d. It just uses 3d acceleration to make it look pretty. |
| 20:02.33 | AnduinLothar | anyone want to test a new version of Wardrobe? |
| 20:02.38 | FISKER_Q | of course but still i have no use for those effects |
| 20:02.51 | cogwheel | FISKER_Q: so you can turn them off... |
| 20:03.03 | FISKER_Q | that's a start atleast :) |
| 20:03.09 | Kirkburn|Vista | No, you misunderstand, it renders better because the windows are each 3d objects, and it can run faster and more smoothly |
| 20:03.30 | Kirkburn|Vista | The upside is that it can have pretty effects, but that isn't the onyl benefit |
| 20:03.38 | AnduinLothar | 3d != faster than 2d |
| 20:03.50 | AnduinLothar | unless the 2d was coded crap |
| 20:04.22 | cogwheel | AnduinLothar: but if they're both accelerated on the graphics card, then it really doesn't matter... |
| 20:04.23 | JoshBorke | aren't all graphics cards today focused on rendering 3d better/faster than 2d? |
| 20:04.53 | cogwheel | JoshBorke: only because there's not much more to do as far as 2d acceleration goes... |
| 20:05.01 | JoshBorke | exactly |
| 20:05.46 | FISKER_Q | anyone got some shots of vista without effects? |
| 20:05.50 | Kirkburn|Vista | There's very practical reasons why using 3d is better than 2d |
| 20:06.03 | abug | 3d desktop porn! |
| 20:06.06 | Kirkburn|Vista | 'without effects' .. what does that mean? Windows 200 mode? |
| 20:06.11 | FISKER_Q | yeah |
| 20:06.17 | malreth | window layering and compositing is easy if you use the 3d accelerator |
| 20:06.19 | cogwheel | FISKER_Q: it looks just like win2k |
| 20:06.23 | Kirkburn|Vista | There you are then, look at Windows 2000 |
| 20:06.28 | FISKER_Q | :) |
| 20:06.29 | malreth | z-buffer makes it cake |
| 20:06.43 | FISKER_Q | Could just be it still tried to had some subtle effects going on |
| 20:06.48 | FISKER_Q | gotta try it out sometime |
| 20:07.01 | FISKER_Q | do they still have that public download up? |
| 20:07.16 | Kirkburn|Vista | Yes, how awful would it be if an OS tried to nice :P |
| 20:07.19 | malreth | looks like, yes |
| 20:07.26 | Kirkburn|Vista | *to look nice |
| 20:07.44 | FISKER_Q | Windows 2000 look is the only one i like |
| 20:07.45 | FISKER_Q | >* |
| 20:07.46 | FISKER_Q | :( |
| 20:08.00 | cogwheel | FISKER_Q: i used to be like you :) |
| 20:08.18 | Kirkburn|Vista | All I can say is ... ewwww |
| 20:08.24 | cogwheel | it took me about 2 years to finally *install* let alone use the interface of XP |
| 20:08.32 | FISKER_Q | but then again i might be associating performance loss with the ui which isn't nessecarily true |
| 20:10.12 | malreth | the performance loss due to the UI is nothing compared to the performance loss you get from windows just being windows... |
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| 20:11.46 | clad | hrm |
| 20:11.54 | clad | my guild is finally done =( |
| 20:12.07 | FISKER_Q | disbanded? :( |
| 20:12.12 | clad | pretty much |
| 20:12.22 | clad | gleader didn't tell anyone, just posted on the wow boards |
| 20:12.31 | clad | O.o http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=27882842&sid=1 |
| 20:12.37 | Cide | drama? |
| 20:12.40 | clad | heh, and i'm an occifer |
| 20:12.56 | clad | No, but our raiding core was ex legacy of steel.. and they just burnt out.. and rl took a bite out of them. |
| 20:13.01 | Kirkburn|Vista | What's an occifer? :P |
| 20:13.19 | clad | Kirkburn|Vista: Why does Clearfont break PerfectRaid.. and can we work together in perfect harmony to resolve it? |
| 20:14.12 | Kirkburn|Vista | 1. It does? 2. It does? 3. Why hasn't anyone told me? 4. It does? |
| 20:14.34 | FISKER_Q | has there been any new info on the riding skill changes in 1.12.1 since the forums went back up? |
| 20:14.39 | malreth | i use both clearfont and perfectraid |
| 20:14.47 | malreth | i haven't noticed any problems |
| 20:15.19 | malreth | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=27993576&sid=1 |
| 20:15.49 | Cide | heh |
| 20:16.08 | abug | should I post widget related bugs in the bug forum or the UI forum? |
| 20:16.17 | Cide | UI forum |
| 20:16.26 | Cide | what's the bug, for the record? |
| 20:16.59 | abug | Model:SetSequence(sequence) doesn't have overflow protection so you can crash wow with a really big or really small argument |
| 20:17.11 | Cide | ah |
| 20:17.12 | malreth | hmm... that's Tem-worthy |
| 20:17.56 | malreth | i think we made thr angry earlier today |
| 20:19.15 | Iriel | abug: When you post in the forum, post a simple /script line that demonstrates the problem with the stock UI |
| 20:19.27 | Iriel | abug: That makes it easier for them to verify it's fixed |
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| 20:19.56 | FISKER_Q | cide is gonna be like "Hey guys write this!" |
| 20:20.27 | Kirkburn|Vista | Have you all seen the 'Borat' film trailer? |
| 20:20.28 | abug | Iriel: yeah I did that last time, I'll bump my post again |
| 20:20.35 | Cide | FISKER_Q: why? |
| 20:20.43 | FISKER_Q | you wanted to know what the bug was :) |
| 20:21.13 | Iriel | They're all busy with the expansion stuff so it may either be something they've fixed, or they just didn't notice - I doubt the forum unreliability helped any |
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| 20:24.41 | Iriel | Back later, ttfn |
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| 20:28.40 | JoshBorke | clad|work: i thought you were hord? |
| 20:28.54 | cogwheel | Malreth: fixed http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=27993576&postId=277810248&sid=1#1 |
| 20:32.39 | malreth | cogwheel: it still seems like a bug that should be fixed. the savedvariables thing-a-ma-jig shouldn't output invalid lua and CreateFrame should probably sanity check its arguments |
| 20:33.20 | malreth | actually, i'm kinda curious what CreateFrame("Frame", "My Frame Name") does |
| 20:33.34 | malreth | does it make a frame and assign it to a variable called "My" |
| 20:33.36 | malreth | or what? |
| 20:34.01 | Kevorkian | would assume the call to create the frame would fail |
| 20:34.05 | Kirov | and does GetName() return "My Frame name" |
| 20:34.06 | cogwheel | even if it did, it wouldn't matter... |
| 20:34.17 | malreth | Kevorkian: go test it for me, now. |
| 20:34.20 | Cide | I think it creates a variable "My Frame Name" |
| 20:34.22 | cogwheel | SVBug = CreateFrame(blah) |
| 20:34.26 | Cide | getfenv(0)["My Frame Name"] ... |
| 20:34.34 | Kevorkian | malreth: at work, thus no wow |
| 20:34.35 | Cide | allows spaces |
| 20:34.43 | malreth | Kevorkian: no excuses... |
| 20:34.55 | Cide | I'll do it, sec |
| 20:35.06 | cogwheel | the assignment doesn't have anything to do with the name... |
| 20:35.18 | tyroney|work | while we're at it, why don't we make some frames with excaped characters, or maybe bel, or carriage returns? |
| 20:35.18 | Kevorkian | malreth: but I fell down a well and broke my leg, and my dog died and a meteorite just crashed into my house and burned it down |
| 20:35.27 | tyroney|work | s/exc/esc |
| 20:35.42 | cogwheel | are frames UserData or tables? |
| 20:35.53 | malreth | UserData |
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| 20:36.32 | Cide | I was right |
| 20:36.39 | malreth | no kidding? |
| 20:36.49 | Cide | yes kidding |
| 20:36.50 | malreth | i guess that makes sense, then |
| 20:36.51 | Cide | CreateFrame("Frame", "Frame Name") == getfenv(0)["Frame Name"] |
| 20:36.53 | cogwheel | well, SVBug = CreateFrame(blah) does not translate to SVBug = some frame name with spaces |
| 20:37.09 | Cide | variable "Frame" == nil |
| 20:37.44 | cogwheel | CreateFrame returns a reference to the UserData itself |
| 20:37.50 | cogwheel | without regard to the name of the frame |
| 20:38.33 | malreth | well, since global variables are just entries in the global table, it makes sense |
| 20:38.42 | Kirov | How does sv deal with user data though |
| 20:38.43 | malreth | so then... |
| 20:38.56 | cogwheel | kirov: i was wondering that myself... |
| 20:39.02 | malreth | technically, a 'global variable' can have a space in it |
| 20:39.11 | malreth | but you'd have to reference the global table to access it |
| 20:39.35 | cogwheel | it's quite possible that the variable-saving routine doesn't support saving frames |
| 20:39.38 | malreth | sorry... more accurately, a global variable's identifier can have a space in it |
| 20:39.56 | cogwheel | in which case it has nothing to do with the name of the frame and has everything to do with the limitations of savedvariables |
| 20:40.05 | malreth | cogwheel: no, it actually doesn't. i believe slouken put in code to keep SV from trying to save userdata objects |
| 20:40.21 | malreth | cogwheel: ah, but the problem is, based on the OP |
| 20:40.33 | Kirov | cogwheel - it may save the global name of it in it's place, since the reference I don't believe stays consistant across sessions |
| 20:40.35 | malreth | is that the SV file is being created with invalid lua table constructor code |
| 20:40.40 | malreth | or something like that |
| 20:41.17 | malreth | well, the SV file is being created with invalid lua code |
| 20:41.39 | cogwheel | but the point is that they're trying to save the frame itself in SV |
| 20:42.07 | cogwheel | that's not something I'd expect WoW to do in the first place, regardless of what name i'm using... |
| 20:42.10 | malreth | but there's already an established behavior that WoW follows when you try to save a frame into the SV |
| 20:42.30 | Kirov | Cide - can you check that out as well? |
| 20:42.41 | Kirov | what does sv save when you try to save user data |
| 20:42.49 | Kirov | specifically frames |
| 20:44.08 | AnduinLothar | I need "Allow special outifts to automaticly swap." in french and german |
| 20:44.12 | Cide | but then I have to quit out! |
| 20:44.40 | Kirov | Cide - CTModOption = frame /reload |
| 20:45.17 | AnduinLothar | van/amro |
| 20:45.21 | AnduinLothar | ven* |
| 20:45.32 | Kirov | I have a random crap mod that I stick stuff in that has two sv entries just for this kind of thing. |
| 20:47.46 | Amro | "Permettre au costumes speciaux d'echanger automatiquement" |
| 20:47.55 | Amro | might be a better word for outfits than costumes |
| 20:48.04 | Cide | Kirov: it was set to nil |
| 20:48.35 | AnduinLothar | tenues? |
| 20:48.48 | AnduinLothar | meh |
| 20:48.49 | cogwheel | Permettre aux outifts spéciaux de changer automaticly |
| 20:48.49 | AnduinLothar | nm |
| 20:49.07 | AnduinLothar | ya babblefish got "automaticly" |
| 20:49.09 | cogwheel | lol |
| 20:49.23 | AnduinLothar | is automatiquement the correct usage |
| 20:49.28 | AnduinLothar | ? |
| 20:49.31 | cogwheel | yeah.. i spelled it wrong |
| 20:49.33 | cogwheel | lol |
| 20:49.50 | AnduinLothar | and ya you cut and paste |
| 20:49.51 | JoshBorke | bye all |
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| 20:49.57 | AnduinLothar | didn't even fix outifts |
| 20:49.59 | Amro | yes its automatiquement, and spéciaux |
| 20:50.21 | abug | nerds...all of you! |
| 20:51.55 | AnduinLothar | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:52.06 | Amro | ascii code? |
| 20:52.12 | AnduinLothar | aye |
| 20:52.15 | cogwheel | AnduinLothar: UTF-8 4tw |
| 20:52.16 | Amro | 130 |
| 20:52.36 | Cide | wow says 169 |
| 20:52.38 | AnduinLothar | thx cog, you're especially helpful today |
| 20:52.49 | cogwheel | AnduinLothar: :P |
| 20:52.54 | Cide | \195\169 == é |
| 20:53.02 | AnduinLothar | thx cide |
| 20:53.18 | Amro | is that unicode? |
| 20:53.19 | cogwheel | Amro: lua uses utf-8. 130 in ascii translates as \195\169 in utf-8. |
| 20:53.44 | Amro | thanks :) |
| 20:53.46 | cogwheel | anything beyond 127 is two bytes |
| 20:53.49 | cogwheel | or more |
| 20:55.08 | cogwheel | ~seen kyahx |
| 20:55.27 | purl | kyahx <n=kyahx@144.13.213.33> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 21h 33m 57s ago, saying: 'You can join mine, but you have to move servers, haha'. |
| 20:55.27 | malreth | well, i was able to reproduce that poster's bug |
| 20:55.44 | cogwheel | yeah... i posted another response... |
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| 20:59.29 | malreth | cogwheel: i don't think the intention of the author is to try to save a frame to the SV... |
| 21:00.04 | malreth | it's just that the SV output routine in WoW can in some cases output invalid lua code |
| 21:00.58 | Industrial | http://pastey.net/1026 |
| 21:01.03 | Industrial | am i doing it horribly wrong? |
| 21:01.12 | Industrial | just wanted a basic debug function :< |
| 21:01.37 | Cide | line 16 = str = str .. type(mix) .. ': ' .. tostring(mix) ? |
| 21:01.55 | Industrial | yes |
| 21:02.03 | Cide | you don't initialize str |
| 21:02.03 | Industrial | oh |
| 21:02.14 | Industrial | is see a typo |
| 21:02.18 | Industrial | on 22 |
| 21:02.23 | Cide | local output, str = '*** ' |
| 21:02.28 | Industrial | yeah i do its an argument.. |
| 21:02.33 | Cide | ah, yeah |
| 21:02.34 | cogwheel | Industrial: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info3999-DevTools.html |
| 21:02.36 | cogwheel | ;) |
| 21:02.38 | Cide | that'd be why |
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| 21:02.45 | Industrial | i know but its fun cogwheel :> |
| 21:02.50 | cogwheel | yep :) |
| 21:02.58 | Industrial | cogwheel: i have it installed and use it alot actually |
| 21:03.43 | Industrial | idInterface\idInterface.lua:8: attempt to call global `add' (a nil value) |
| 21:03.43 | Industrial | :s |
| 21:04.03 | Industrial | isnt it already defined when thats called.. ? |
| 21:04.11 | Industrial | and local.. |
| 21:04.30 | TS|Skrom | functions aren't fully defined til it gets to the final end are they? |
| 21:04.58 | cogwheel | ~dict recursion |
| 21:05.21 | cogwheel | ;) |
| 21:05.27 | TS|Skrom | *shrug8 |
| 21:06.14 | Cide | Industrial: why do you define a local function inside another function? |
| 21:06.21 | Cide | it'd be redefined every time you run it |
| 21:06.29 | cogwheel | Industrial: try doing local function add() ... end instead of local add = function() |
| 21:06.30 | Cide | or rather, it would create a new function |
| 21:06.31 | Industrial | right |
| 21:06.44 | cogwheel | that too |
| 21:06.46 | Cide | which seems unnecessary since you don't use any of the upvalues |
| 21:10.02 | Abenadi | Has anyone else seen where buttons don't switched to their pushed image until you drag the mouse off of the button? |
| 21:10.10 | Abenadi | *don't switch* |
| 21:11.19 | Mikk | That's default behavior isn't it? |
| 21:11.38 | Mikk | As long as you're over the button it's highlit, not pushed |
| 21:11.44 | Industrial | (with an axe, and not literally) |
| 21:11.53 | Kirkburn|afk | But surely when you click down, it should push in |
| 21:12.35 | Kirkburn|afk | (I'm discovering the wonders of Media Center atm - it's really rather good) |
| 21:12.52 | cogwheel | ~emulate kirkburn |
| 21:12.59 | purl | ACTION wonders why Kirkburn is here |
| 21:13.04 | cogwheel | :( |
| 21:13.05 | Abenadi | so if I want it to push down immediately I shouldn't define a highlight image? |
| 21:13.06 | cogwheel | ;) |
| 21:13.47 | cogwheel | wait, you want it to look pushed on hover? |
| 21:13.56 | Abenadi | no, I want it to look pushed on PUSH |
| 21:14.04 | cogwheel | O.o |
| 21:14.09 | AnduinLothar | highlight is onenter |
| 21:14.14 | Abenadi | but instead I *push* the button, it is still only highlighted, then I drag it off (still pushed) and it changes to pushed |
| 21:14.25 | cogwheel | that doesn't make sense... |
| 21:14.27 | Cide | Abenadi: do you have the HIGHLIGHT layer defined? |
| 21:14.36 | Abenadi | sec |
| 21:14.39 | Mikk | 1. Regular button |
| 21:14.44 | Mikk | 2. Mouse over button, it becomes highlit |
| 21:14.52 | cogwheel | it should look unpushed when the mouse is dragged off... |
| 21:14.54 | Mikk | 3. Push button (it's a toggle, so should stay pushed) |
| 21:15.04 | Mikk | 3. Button keeps being highlit, not pushed |
| 21:15.08 | Mikk | s/3/4/ |
| 21:15.15 | Mikk | 5. Move mouse off button. NOW it shows as pushed. |
| 21:15.34 | Mikk | This is what we are talking about, yes? |
| 21:15.47 | AnduinLothar | unless you have your highlight with an add alphamask |
| 21:15.50 | abug | not the price of tea in china? |
| 21:15.59 | AnduinLothar | then highlight is overlayed on top of the pushed |
| 21:16.10 | Abenadi | http://wowi.pastey.net/1028 |
| 21:16.29 | Abenadi | Mikk: yes |
| 21:16.38 | cogwheel | i believe the textures are supposed to go after the scripts according to the XSD |
| 21:16.40 | AnduinLothar | but if they're both opaque you cant have both vissible at the same time |
| 21:17.14 | Mikk | You might have to clear the highlight image on push |
| 21:17.19 | Mikk | Bit weird tho |
| 21:17.29 | Mikk | Does it look pushed as long as you're holding the mouse button? |
| 21:17.35 | AnduinLothar | nah, just need it to have an alpha layer and ADD |
| 21:17.40 | cogwheel | nope... all that should be handled by WoW |
| 21:17.43 | Abenadi | yes Mikk, once I drag it off the button |
| 21:17.53 | Mikk | yes, but while you're holding the mouse button down? |
| 21:17.59 | Abenadi | yes |
| 21:18.21 | Abenadi | "drag" implies mousedown |
| 21:18.26 | Kirkburn|afk | cogwheel, somehow I'm glad ~emulate is random :P |
| 21:18.33 | cogwheel | :) |
| 21:18.44 | AnduinLothar | <HighlightTexture file="Interface\Buttons\UI-DialogBox-Button-Highlight" alphaMode="ADD" /> |
| 21:19.10 | Mikk | That only looks good if the highlight is a fuzzy light thingy tho |
| 21:19.24 | Mikk | Not so much if it's a different button =) |
| 21:19.28 | cogwheel | Seriously, though, you should put all the textures *after* the scripts... |
| 21:19.43 | AnduinLothar | if highlight is not an overlay with alpha you will not ever be able to see anything below it |
| 21:19.44 | Abenadi | oh, why is that COg? |
| 21:20.00 | Abenadi | AnduinLothar, I'm not sure I know what you mean by overlay |
| 21:20.01 | cogwheel | that's how it's specified in the XSD |
| 21:20.05 | Mikk | I seriously doubt it has any bearing whatsoever |
| 21:20.18 | Mikk | Seeing as how you can set it in any order you please when doing it in Lua |
| 21:20.41 | Mikk | I also somehow doubt that you've read the xsd correctly |
| 21:20.44 | AnduinLothar | HighlightTexture is layered on top of PushedTexture. |
| 21:20.50 | Mikk | But that's just me :-P |
| 21:20.55 | AnduinLothar | so you are only seeing PushedTexture after HighlightTexture is hidden |
| 21:21.03 | cogwheel | mikk: i haven't read the XSD... I use Visual Studio which reads it for me and shows me errors |
| 21:21.12 | AnduinLothar | however it IS vissible unneith the highlight |
| 21:21.20 | AnduinLothar | but your highlight is opaque |
| 21:21.41 | cogwheel | and it does seem like the kind of odd, randomish behavior that would manifest itself due to something silly like that ;) |
| 21:22.13 | cogwheel | mikk: i even discovered some neat shortcuts because of VS's autocomplete... |
| 21:22.39 | cogwheel | <Size x="10" y="10"/> is valid, for instance |
| 21:22.40 | AnduinLothar | HighlightTexture's are better implimented as a graphic with mostly alpha that you can see though and then using an alphaMode |
| 21:23.51 | abug | is there a beta visual studio? |
| 21:24.03 | Abenadi | I guess I don't have a firm grasp on how alphamodes are used |
| 21:24.04 | cogwheel | same goes for anything that takes an <AbsDimension>. Also, any tag that takes <AbsValue val="x"/> can be shortened to <MyTag val=x/> |
| 21:25.04 | cogwheel | abenadi: ADD is very simple... If the texture under is 0.5,0.5,0.5 (gray) and your highlight texture is 0.5,.0,.0, then the result color is 1.0,0.5,0.5 (light red) |
| 21:25.20 | tyroney|work | forgive me if it's unrelated: does a checkbutton have a checked, pushed, and a highlight tex? |
| 21:25.50 | AnduinLothar | should, but they're predefined |
| 21:26.06 | AnduinLothar | you should be able to override them tho |
| 21:26.09 | AnduinLothar | er |
| 21:26.13 | AnduinLothar | i take that back |
| 21:26.26 | AnduinLothar | they aren't predefined unless you're usign a template |
| 21:26.29 | Abenadi | so I should change my highlighted image to be a semi-transparent image that highlights the image under it, then highlights my pushed texture instead of my regular texture when I push down? |
| 21:26.40 | tyroney|work | Also something that bliz uses (on the little system buttons on the default bar) is a solid lit-up line around and an "add" glow over the face of for both a mark and a mouseover. |
| 21:26.42 | Mikk | Abenadi: yes |
| 21:26.51 | cogwheel | abug: i don't think so... though MS was offering VC 2005 express for free a while back... it might have the XML editor included |
| 21:27.06 | Abenadi | That would be great if I could get transparent images working =P Still having that problem from yesterday with paint.net TGAs. |
| 21:27.16 | Abenadi | I will do some more fiddling with it, thanks for the guidance |
| 21:27.20 | Mikk | Abenadi: Go get the GIMP and use PNGs |
| 21:27.25 | Mikk | And convert to BLP |
| 21:27.33 | Mikk | I suppose it can save .tgas also |
| 21:27.40 | Mikk | Either way, it handles the alpha channel beautifully |
| 21:27.43 | Abenadi | WoW will use either BLP or TGA then? |
| 21:27.47 | Mikk | yes |
| 21:27.52 | cogwheel | tga would be better.. then you would be able to edit in-place |
| 21:27.52 | Mikk | BLP = compressed blizzard-specific thingy |
| 21:27.54 | AnduinLothar | bad idea |
| 21:27.59 | AnduinLothar | tga is better |
| 21:28.07 | Mikk | define better |
| 21:28.12 | Mikk | tga = easier to use. blp = smaller. |
| 21:28.13 | cogwheel | easier to maintain |
| 21:28.17 | AnduinLothar | and 2/3 of the avaailbile blp converters convert alpha incorrectly |
| 21:28.23 | cogwheel | plus, blp conversion is iffy at best |
| 21:28.30 | cogwheel | since it's all based on reverse-engineering |
| 21:28.36 | Industrial | http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/6354/wowscrnshot092206232725xv1.jpg |
| 21:28.58 | Industrial | working on my addon with tweaks - done with my old interface |
| 21:29.11 | Industrial | Wanted something that doesnt change the default one much |
| 21:29.12 | Industrial | :D |
| 21:29.23 | Industrial | just started, not done yet ofcource |
| 21:30.16 | abug | tiger murderer |
| 21:30.29 | Abenadi | OK so I will see if I can learn GIMP then, since that seems to be a common route for messing with this stuff |
| 21:30.30 | Industrial | hmm AnduinLothar do you know LostBoys, the company that makes games? |
| 21:30.39 | Industrial | (well also other media..) |
| 21:31.05 | Industrial | its based in the netherlands, pretty big - their chief went and rated my work thursday :o |
| 21:31.20 | Mikk | Abenadi: GIMP is scarily like Photoshop |
| 21:31.25 | Industrial | got a 7/10 :D |
| 21:31.40 | Industrial | Abenadi: check out gimpshop if you are used to photoshop |
| 21:31.50 | Industrial | changes keybindings and menus etc |
| 21:32.03 | Abenadi | well... I have tried photoshop but I liked paint.net because it was less complex |
| 21:32.19 | Abenadi | but i am having this problem so therefore looking elsewhere |
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| 21:41.32 | Cairenn | hi Iriel |
| 21:45.52 | IrieI | Hi cair :) |
| 21:46.43 | Kirkburn|afk | naughty naughty :P |
| 21:47.08 | Kirov | *blink* |
| 21:47.31 | Kirkburn|afk | Kirov loses the staring competition! |
| 21:48.03 | Abenadi | ummm when I save a tga image in gimp does the "Origin at bottom left" checkbox do anything meaningful? |
| 21:49.05 | cogwheel | yes. it means positive y values are "up" |
| 21:49.12 | cogwheel | normal images start in the upper-left |
| 21:49.37 | cogwheel | I don't remember which way wow uses (or if wow pays attention to it) |
| 21:49.45 | zenzelezz | there's no "normal" |
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| 21:49.57 | zenzelezz | TGA lets you choose four different ways, and they're all valid |
| 21:50.09 | Abenadi | does it matter for wow? |
| 21:50.09 | Kirkburn|afk | Well, most co-ordinate system work on bottom left :P |
| 21:50.25 | ckknight | hye all |
| 21:50.27 | ckknight | hey* |
| 21:50.29 | cogwheel | except graphics... |
| 21:50.42 | Cide | wow's coordinate system works from bottom left |
| 21:50.50 | Kirkburn|afk | I liked 'hye' more, sounds rather refined |
| 21:50.57 | Cide | hence why "down" = negative |
| 21:50.58 | cogwheel | Cide: yep... it's the first time i'd seen that before ;) |
| 21:51.18 | Cide | makes sense if you look at the top right quadrant, origin at bottom left |
| 21:51.28 | Cide | but ya, top left makes more sense logically to me :) |
| 21:52.56 | ckknight | origin at bottomleft going to the upper-right is typically what's used in mathematics |
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| 21:54.11 | cogwheel | in graphics, it was a utilitarian decision... The beam in a CRT starts at the topleft, scans to the right, then goes down to the next line, scans right... till it gets to the bottom and starts at the topleft again |
| 21:54.24 | Abenadi | how can I tell the difference in gimp between white and transparent? is there an option to change to checkered background or something? |
| 21:54.28 | cogwheel | if you had an array of pixels, the first one would be the upper left |
| 21:54.47 | cogwheel | so it makes sense that "down" would have higher values |
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| 21:54.54 | Cide | depends on where you start drawing ;) |
| 21:55.07 | Kirochi | What's up ? |
| 21:55.09 | cogwheel | yep. it has a checkered bg by default |
| 21:55.19 | Cide | Kirochi: up can be either positive or negative ;) |
| 21:55.27 | Kirochi | up ==> up |
| 21:55.27 | Abenadi | then maybe i'm doing something wrong |
| 21:55.34 | Kirochi | up # down |
| 21:55.36 | Abenadi | because when I use the eraser tool the bg is white |
| 21:55.40 | ckknight | #? |
| 21:55.45 | Kirochi | =/= dammit |
| 21:55.46 | tyroney|work | layer, add alpha channel. Or thereabouts. |
| 21:55.49 | Kirkburn|afk | And when they were up they were up, and when they were down they were down |
| 21:55.54 | ckknight | != or ~= works |
| 21:55.59 | ckknight | or <> |
| 21:56.03 | Kirkburn|afk | And when they got to the top of the hill, they became positive |
| 21:56.07 | cogwheel | kirochi, if you had been logged on, your question would have been completely in context... |
| 21:56.08 | Kirochi | ok |
| 21:56.14 | ckknight | though I have implications against <> |
| 21:56.15 | tyroney|work | .ayer - transparence - add alpha channel |
| 21:56.20 | Kirochi | why ? |
| 21:56.41 | ckknight | what if something is neither less than, equal to, or greater than another thing? |
| 21:56.42 | cogwheel | we were talking about screen coordinates and how WoW uses positive values for "up" |
| 21:56.50 | ckknight | example: sets |
| 21:56.58 | Kirochi | xD greatz |
| 21:57.02 | cogwheel | I had just said "so it makes sense that "down" would have higher values" right before you logged on ;) |
| 21:57.11 | Kirochi | oh guys I gotta tell you something |
| 21:57.11 | ckknight | {1, 2} < {1, 2, 3} |
| 21:57.33 | Kirochi | thanks to you I'm getting the best marks on english tests =) |
| 21:57.38 | ckknight | but {1,2} is neither less than, equal to, or greater than {3, 4} |
| 21:57.44 | ckknight | Kirochi, hoorays |
| 21:57.46 | cogwheel | ckknight: then they'd all return false |
| 21:57.51 | ckknight | right, cogwheel |
| 21:57.53 | Amro | grats kirochi! |
| 21:57.55 | ckknight | therefore, I don't like <> |
| 21:58.03 | tyroney|work | Abenadi: if you want nice faded alpha, you'll want to do it later with an alpha mask. |
| 21:58.04 | ckknight | because it implies less than or greater than |
| 21:58.12 | ckknight | instead of not equal |
| 21:58.16 | cogwheel | ah |
| 21:58.51 | Abenadi | I can see this is going to take some learning =( |
| 21:59.05 | Kirochi | ah, kirk |
| 21:59.13 | cogwheel | abenadi, that's why you can get degrees in graphic design... |
| 21:59.16 | ckknight | frankly, ≠is the only correct thing, mathematically, but it's not on keyboards |
| 21:59.36 | Kirochi | do you wish to delete the wrong format alpha-leaked ore and ingot icons ? |
| 21:59.38 | cogwheel | and there are entire courses in individual programs (like photoshop) |
| 21:59.41 | clad|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:59.44 | Kirochi | they're all nominated speedy deletion |
| 22:00.01 | ckknight | clad|work, yes, but I'd prefer to use that for in-place division |
| 22:00.06 | clad|work | hehe |
| 22:00.14 | clad|work | so few symbols.. so much time! |
| 22:00.15 | ckknight | though that is one of the most correct ways to do it |
| 22:00.17 | ckknight | I know :-P |
| 22:00.19 | cogwheel | kirochi, what's your first language? |
| 22:00.27 | ckknight | haskell uses /= |
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| 22:01.23 | Cide | why not != ? :) |
| 22:01.35 | Kirochi | french |
| 22:01.55 | ckknight | Cide, that's what I prefer, actually. |
| 22:01.59 | Cide | me too |
| 22:02.11 | Cide | especially since ~= is annoying to type using swedish keyboard layout |
| 22:02.24 | Cide | well, I guess it's not too bad, but != is easier |
| 22:02.34 | ckknight | also, ~= seems like "almost equal" |
| 22:02.39 | cogwheel | agreed |
| 22:02.41 | Cide | aye |
| 22:02.42 | ckknight | as in, 5.9 ~= 6 |
| 22:02.43 | malreth | bah... my http tunneling proxy isn't working for web traffic... |
| 22:02.54 | Cide | or... 5.99~ = 6! |
| 22:02.58 | malreth | which is odd... because it's somehow tunneling this irc connection right now |
| 22:04.04 | Kirov | Well, you see theres these tubes ... |
| 22:04.32 | TS|Skrom | Kirov lol |
| 22:04.36 | Cide | You see, there's this bowl of soup okay |
| 22:04.45 | Cairenn | lol |
| 22:05.00 | Kirov | ooo! |
| 22:05.08 | Kirov | the forums are fubared! |
| 22:05.10 | Kirov | yay! |
| 22:05.14 | Cide | actually |
| 22:05.37 | Cide | that's the normal state of the forums, so fubared = working as intended |
| 22:05.48 | Cide | therefore, they're actually fubared when they do work |
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| 22:07.28 | grr | Heya, a quick question if someone has the time to answer(i know dont ask if u can ask but hey ;P) |
| 22:07.39 | grr | I'm trying to use what blizzard calls static popups with a yes/no dialog. |
| 22:07.52 | grr | but i'm having trouble sending information to the OnAccept function |
| 22:07.57 | grr | OnAccept = function(frame) |
| 22:07.57 | grr | HealingListGUI.RemoveTargetFrame(frame) |
| 22:07.57 | grr | end, |
| 22:08.08 | grr | oops, sorry was going to paste that in the pastey.net - two seconds. |
| 22:08.36 | cogwheel | grr, i have lots of experience with those, so i should be able to help ya :) |
| 22:09.10 | grr | http://pastey.net/1032 |
| 22:09.26 | grr | :) i'm trying to send the parent frame of the button i'm clicking on into the OnAccept() function |
| 22:11.32 | grr | but all i get in the "frame" arguent in the OnAccept function is "nil" ;( |
| 22:13.17 | grr | cogwheel any idea? ;/ |
| 22:13.26 | abug | the cogwheels are turning |
| 22:13.28 | cogwheel | http://pastey.net/1033 |
| 22:13.58 | cogwheel | wait... |
| 22:14.02 | grr | ok now, THAT was strange |
| 22:14.03 | grr | ;< |
| 22:14.05 | cogwheel | i was only looking at the bottom part... |
| 22:14.09 | cogwheel | hold on... |
| 22:14.21 | grr | okies :) thanks for your time ;D |
| 22:16.06 | cogwheel | try this http://pastey.net/1034 |
| 22:16.16 | grr | ok i will, thanks :) |
| 22:16.47 | grr | Hmm, i have no problem with the text |
| 22:16.55 | Abenadi | is there some kind of a layer browser in gimp like there is in paint.net? |
| 22:16.58 | grr | the "text = "Remove Frame '%s' ?" works like it was. |
| 22:17.04 | grr | as it was, even. |
| 22:17.07 | Abenadi | I created a new layer and I'd like to see them side by side in some way |
| 22:17.50 | cogwheel | yes. think of the text field as string.format(text, arg[1], arg[2], arg[3]...) |
| 22:17.54 | grr | cogwheel, ok your first example worked - but why is it like this? ;< |
| 22:18.12 | grr | the dialog.data = this:GetParent() thingy+ |
| 22:18.21 | cogwheel | grr, you got your meanings mixed up... |
| 22:18.41 | cogwheel | the extra parameters to StaticPopup_Show are for the sole purpose of being incorporated into the message |
| 22:18.51 | grr | Ah, ok i got that now :). |
| 22:19.16 | cogwheel | dialog.data is what's passed to the OnAccept function |
| 22:19.46 | grr | okey, good to know :) |
| 22:19.53 | grr | is the dialog.data also passed to the OnCancel? |
| 22:20.06 | cogwheel | yes, iirc |
| 22:20.17 | cogwheel | (but i may not RC ;) ) |
| 22:20.30 | grr | Well, thanks for all your help that realy saved me alot of time :) |
| 22:20.49 | cogwheel | always glad to help someone out who's trying themself ;) |
| 22:21.38 | malreth | later all... i have a hot date with a real live woman |
| 22:21.40 | grr | Well, i just started with LUA/WoW API trying to teach myself as much as possible - always found that's the best way. But there is always some "magic" going on somehwere which is very hard to figure out without a proper manual, etc. |
| 22:21.47 | grr | malreth: lies, all lies! ;p |
| 22:21.59 | malreth | no, it's totally true! |
| 22:22.08 | malreth | purl, me |
| 22:22.09 | purl | malreth has been level 46 for longer than the World of Warcraft has been out |
| 22:22.09 | grr | Well, dinner at the kitchen table with your mom doesn't count ;P |
| 22:22.27 | grr | malreth, nah well gl with the date :D |
| 22:22.49 | cogwheel | now, if you said "live date with a hot woman" i'd be suspicious ;) |
| 22:23.25 | malreth | well, she's my fiancee... so she like HAS to go out with me. it's in the contract |
| 22:23.32 | cogwheel | :) |
| 22:24.12 | tyroney|work | Abenadi: find the undo history, the tab with white layers on it is the layers part of that window. |
| 22:24.14 | cogwheel | my wife's up housesitting at her mom's this week... we both raid with our 'locks and i got my felheart robe last night... have a feeling she's gonna be a bit jealous... |
| 22:24.47 | Cide | cogwheel: now, all you need is a staff of domination |
| 22:24.58 | tyroney|work | Abenadi: You can grab that tab and drag it out if you want a separate window. Personally, I just leave it selected instead of the undo, which I believe shows at first. |
| 22:25.02 | cogwheel|afk | yes... i saw another lock with that on last night /jealous |
| 22:25.58 | tyroney|work | Abenadi: Just looked it up, CTRL-L is the default key combo for it, if all else fails. |
| 22:26.50 | grr | cogwheel|afk: how much spelldmg u got? |
| 22:26.57 | grr | Cide: Staff of Dominance you mean? ;< |
| 22:27.28 | Kirkburn|afk | I spy a new Vista build, do I upgrade? :P |
| 22:27.44 | tyroney|work | Abenadi: if you want bigger thumbnails, go to the palette window, go to its file menu, preferences, and under interface you can pick a size. Ok, that's all for now, back to work again. |
| 22:27.52 | Cide | grr: ;) |
| 22:27.57 | Cide | but yeah! |
| 22:28.02 | tyroney|work | s/pale/tool pale/ |
| 22:28.14 | cogwheel|afk | grr: not sure... can't log in atm... i'm at work ;) |
| 22:28.19 | Cide | staff of domination it is |
| 22:28.27 | Cide | damnit, what the hell |
| 22:28.32 | Cide | staff of dominance it is |
| 22:28.45 | grr | Cide well it hought so just enchanted mine ;P |
| 22:28.46 | grr | so ;< |
| 22:29.00 | grr | tho it is so crappy i'm already crying for putting the +30 spellpower on it ;( |
| 22:29.20 | grr | 250g of mats to hell;< |
| 22:33.59 | cogwheel | grr: i just updated it from memory so it might not be perfect, but ... http://ctprofiles.net/3608459 |
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| 22:35.29 | grr | Ahh |
| 22:35.32 | grr | you got azuresong |
| 22:35.36 | grr | you b*tch ;P |
| 22:35.47 | cogwheel | as do like 10 people in our raid group... lol |
| 22:35.50 | grr | I've been raiding MC for over a year, full t2 +500 spelldmg... STILL NO azuresong |
| 22:36.02 | grr | still stuck with the stupid staff |
| 22:36.16 | grr | azuresong makes me a sad emo panda ;( |
| 22:36.21 | Cide | grr: got a profile? |
| 22:36.28 | grr | no ;( |
| 22:36.30 | Cide | boo! |
| 22:36.35 | grr | +491 fire spelldmg |
| 22:36.38 | grr | +10% crit |
| 22:36.40 | grr | +5% hit |
| 22:36.50 | Cide | I'm a healer so my stats are more boring |
| 22:36.53 | grr | i die alot yes ;< |
| 22:37.10 | cogwheel | no offense cide but it's teh seks |
| 22:37.13 | grr | we did a 25k ignite a couple of days ago on chromaggus for like 10 seconds |
| 22:37.22 | grr | i did hmm agbout 12000 dps |
| 22:37.23 | grr | he killed me |
| 22:37.25 | grr | ;< |
| 22:37.26 | Cide | cogwheel: it's quite nice looking, yes |
| 22:37.50 | Cide | but it's an uploader, which is where it fails imo |
| 22:38.00 | grr | fire vuln + combustion + toep and ~5-6 fire mages = if you get first ignite tick you die. |
| 22:38.10 | cogwheel | i'd much rather use an uploader than have to manually enter it all ;) |
| 22:38.22 | grr | cogwheel same here |
| 22:38.23 | Cide | cogwheel: if you're doing your main profile, sure |
| 22:38.43 | Cide | ctp will have an uploader very soon too, in fact |
| 22:38.51 | cogwheel | well that works :) |
| 22:39.16 | grr | cogwheel how far in MC are you guys? |
| 22:39.29 | cogwheel | Rags is on farm status :) |
| 22:39.46 | grr | ^^ nice. |
| 22:39.56 | grr | we've been busting our heads against patchwerk for a week now |
| 22:40.09 | grr | he will die on sunday will be so nice with 2 x freelot afte rthat |
| 22:40.10 | cogwheel | They just accomplished that about a month before i started raiding with them |
| 22:40.25 | Kirochi | I mean, lore wise |
| 22:40.29 | grr | ^^ |
| 22:40.40 | grr | isn't c'thun that also or am I just lost in the lore? |
| 22:40.42 | grr | *on the lore. |
| 22:40.45 | Kirochi | :p |
| 22:40.49 | Kirochi | yup, c'thun too |
| 22:41.01 | grr | well both those instances feel.. "stupid", same with bwl. |
| 22:41.07 | grr | only instances that feels "wow"-ish is naxxramas |
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| 22:41.10 | grr | warcraft-ish even |
| 22:41.19 | Kirochi | but the old gods are now shit bags and even arthas can kill one with but a runic sword blow |
| 22:41.39 | grr | but arthas is so cool so he deserves to be able to oneshot even a GM ;< |
| 22:41.39 | Kirkburn|afk | Arthas? Old God? When? |
| 22:41.58 | Kirochi | :p |
| 22:42.05 | Kirochi | the afk guy awakens |
| 22:42.08 | Kirochi | in tft |
| 22:42.15 | Cide | C'Thun is considered very weak anyway |
| 22:42.17 | cogwheel | Heh... BWL... that place is kicking our asses |
| 22:42.18 | Kirochi | he is in an underground maze |
| 22:42.21 | Cide | same thing with ragnaros |
| 22:42.24 | cogwheel | haven't even gotten past razor :( |
| 22:42.29 | Kirochi | and he gotta kill a "forgotten one" |
| 22:42.32 | Cide | that's how they've fit it in the lore |
| 22:42.34 | grr | Cide you men encounter wise or lore wise? |
| 22:42.34 | Kirkburn|afk | You sure that's an Old God? I thought the prevailing wisdom was that it wasn't? |
| 22:42.38 | Cide | grr: lore |
| 22:42.41 | grr | ;P |
| 22:42.42 | Kirochi | who looks like c'thun |
| 22:42.55 | Kirochi | we already discussed that yesterday, don't you remember ? |
| 22:43.02 | Kirkburn|afk | We can't be certain though =) |
| 22:43.10 | Cide | he was just forgotten |
| 22:43.16 | Kirkburn|afk | Not with me you didn't :P |
| 22:43.24 | Cide | kind of like an object without a reference, waiting to be garbage collected |
| 22:43.29 | Kirochi | ok let's see |
| 22:43.50 | Cide | when somehow, our hero walks around in the maze of RAM, and finds this lonely frame |
| 22:43.51 | cogwheel | this thread has a funny ending http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=27753699&sid=1 |
| 22:44.10 | Kirochi | http://www.wowwiki.com/Forgotten_One |
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| 22:45.16 | Kirochi | on how the old gods were located in different places, creating a star shape |
| 22:46.21 | Kirochi | one in southwest (c'thun) one in northwest (master's glaive) one in northrend (forgotten one) one under the tirisfal glades, one under the maelstrom |
| 22:46.46 | Kirkburn|afk | cogwheel, very nice :P |
| 22:46.56 | Kirkburn|afk | Oh yeah, that |
| 22:47.31 | Kirkburn|afk | Wow, it rally does resemble c'thun |
| 22:47.35 | Kirkburn|afk | *really |
| 22:47.43 | Kirkburn|afk | I'm convinced :P |
| 22:47.46 | Cide | yes, it's the same concept art :P |
| 22:48.07 | Cide | (likely) |
| 22:48.22 | Kirkburn|afk | Maybe that means there's also one in the southern continents? |
| 22:48.46 | Kirkburn|afk | (we wouldn't want the goblins left out now, would we) |
| 22:49.00 | Kirochi | you wouldn't be making fun of me, would you ? |
| 22:49.17 | Kirkburn|afk | No, are you a goblin? |
| 22:49.27 | Kirochi | are you a troll ? |
| 22:49.53 | Kirkburn|afk | Haha :D No, I wasn't making fun of you! |
| 22:50.28 | [floyd] | I'm at a total loss regarding this code: http://wowi.pastey.net/1035 -- The frame created inside the "-- TEMP" tags has its OnEnter/OnLeave handlers called, while the remaining (functionally identical?) code won't. Any hints? |
| 22:51.17 | Kirkburn|afk | (proper afk now) |
| 22:52.53 | cogwheel | [floyd]: make sure you got all the names right? |
| 22:53.42 | [floyd] | cogwheel: I triple checked already. WorldMap gets a reference to WorldMapDetailFrame when invoked. |
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| 22:54.19 | cogwheel | So, the frame is getting created and shown, but the enter/leave aren't working? |
| 22:54.26 | [floyd] | Yep. |
| 22:54.40 | cogwheel | the names i was referring to were MapIcons_OnMouseEnter & MapIcons_OnMouseLeave |
| 22:55.06 | cogwheel | if those are nil at the time the function runs, you would see this behavior |
| 22:55.12 | [floyd] | They are copy-pasted. |
| 22:55.24 | cogwheel | are they loaded in the right order? |
| 22:55.38 | [floyd] | They are in the same file, above this function. |
| 22:55.59 | Iriel | cogwheel just said all the things I was about to |
| 22:56.03 | Iriel | I would say 'post your whole file' |
| 22:56.19 | Iriel | a good 50% of the time people post what they 'think' is enough and it's not |
| 22:56.32 | [floyd] | If you don't mind, it's a royal mess ;) |
| 22:56.56 | cogwheel | pasteying a royal mess is better than pasting it ;) |
| 22:57.38 | [floyd] | http://wowi.pastey.net/1036 |
| 22:57.46 | Thrae | If you take into account 40% of people failed Math, while the other 70% barely passed, you can't take to heart anything people type. |
| 22:57.58 | [floyd] | Heh. |
| 22:58.13 | Kirochi | Ok afk |
| 22:58.20 | Kirochi | (away from komputer) |
| 22:58.29 | cogwheel | there are 10 kinds of people in the world... those who can understand binary and those who can't... |
| 22:58.57 | Kirochi | There are 3 kinds of people in the world ... those who can count and those who can't |
| 22:59.05 | cogwheel | [floyd]: did you plug in your computer? |
| 22:59.07 | cogwheel | XD |
| 22:59.13 | cogwheel | sorry... had to ask |
| 22:59.15 | Thrae | 1 SIN(x) 2 GOTO HELL |
| 22:59.19 | [floyd] | Hahahaha :D |
| 22:59.47 | Kirochi | I'm into three things : my gf and my bike |
| 22:59.51 | Kirochi | :p |
| 23:01.48 | cogwheel | [floyd]: one thing i'd suggest is just using a simple ChatFrame1:AddMessage("MapIcon_OnMouseEnter") instead of the Dump you're doing... if only for the sake of saving a table constructor for each call... |
| 23:02.18 | [floyd] | But..... I like DevTools so much ;) |
| 23:02.40 | cogwheel | also, there's no reason to pass nil as the last argument to a function ;) |
| 23:03.04 | [floyd] | I'm a C++ guy :) |
| 23:03.17 | cogwheel | the semicolons told me to do it! |
| 23:03.52 | [floyd] | Heh, yeah, I know, they do not serve any purpose. But old habits are hard to beat. |
| 23:04.46 | cogwheel | Unfortunately, the extent of my C programming in the last year or two is http://home.comcast.net/~m_orlando/bfsig.html . My job makes me use VBA and between work, wife, and warcraft, i don't have much time for much else ;) |
| 23:05.36 | cogwheel | though it did make it really easy to learn lua idioms since my C fluency had been diminished |
| 23:05.40 | [floyd] | Sweet :) |
| 23:05.52 | Industrial | you can also use 'not this' instead of 'this~=nil', that is if false is also not what you want :P |
| 23:06.06 | [floyd] | True. In hindsight I would implement several things differently now. |
| 23:06.29 | [floyd] | Industrial: I tend to write explicit code. |
| 23:07.01 | cogwheel | [floyd]: you'd probably go cross-eyed if you saw some of the macros i write :) |
| 23:07.02 | Industrial | I tend to refactor things 10 times and throw it away cause i dont feel like working on it anymore :P |
| 23:07.10 | cogwheel | it's amazing what you can accomplish in 255 chars |
| 23:07.45 | [floyd] | It's also amazing how much trouble I'm having with just a few lines of code ^^ |
| 23:14.25 | [floyd] | Dammit... I need to get this fixed before my new keyboard comes in. That will be tomorrow, and then I won't have no more time. For a long time.... |
| 23:15.29 | cogwheel | without playing with it myself, i don't know what to say. |
| 23:16.08 | cogwheel | just start throwing around a bunch of debug output and see what you come up with :\ |
| 23:16.29 | [floyd] | I had hoped I wouldn't need to, but that seems to be the order of things. |
| 23:16.45 | [floyd] | Thanks for your time nevertheless. Eventually I will get this going. |
| 23:17.08 | cogwheel | [floyd]: this seems like something wowbench might be able to handle |
| 23:17.14 | cogwheel | then you could use its debugger... |
| 23:17.29 | [floyd] | wowbench? I'm all ears! |
| 23:17.47 | cogwheel | http://wowwiki.com/WoWBench |
| 23:18.15 | cogwheel | it's got a bit of a learning curve, but it might be able to help |
| 23:18.35 | [floyd] | I don't mind the learning curve, as long as I get more power :) |
| 23:18.46 | [floyd] | Thanks, I'll check it out. |
| 23:20.06 | [floyd] | Cool, a stand-alone debugger. Why have I not known this before is a question I cannot easily answer myself ;) |
| 23:21.10 | cogwheel | you'd be surprised how many people don't know about it... |
| 23:21.17 | cogwheel | i didn't until fairly recently |
| 23:22.08 | [floyd] | Just the other day I was like "I wish I could just single-step through my code" and then "oh well, this _cannot_ exist..." |
| 23:24.37 | abug | wow that blooks cool |
| 23:24.43 | abug | looks too |
| 23:28.47 | Cairenn | because people don't think to check the dev download section at wowi |
| 23:28.56 | Cairenn | there are a lot of good tools in there |
| 23:29.52 | cogwheel | later, all... good luck [floyd] |
| 23:29.57 | [floyd] | It's not exactly the easiest site to navigate either ;) |
| 23:30.08 | [floyd] | Have a good one, cogwheel. |
| 23:30.34 | Cairenn | yeah, it's hard ... "home" "downloads" "forums" ... really non-intuitive |
| 23:32.04 | [floyd] | It's user feedback. You are free to discard it. |
| 23:32.25 | Cairenn | you don't deal well with teasing, do you? ;) |
| 23:32.47 | Cairenn | and feedback means suggestions, not just "it doesn't work", you're an author, you should know that |
| 23:33.34 | Cide | on that note, I love "I used ctra and it popped up an error, fix it" |
| 23:33.50 | Cairenn | makes you just want to scream, doesn't it Cide? |
| 23:34.01 | Cide | "yeah, it's just 20k lines, brb while I scan through them for faulty logic" |
| 23:34.35 | Cide | on the other hand, intuitivity is a more touchy issue |
| 23:34.43 | Cairenn | *nod* |
| 23:35.14 | [floyd] | I'm not teasing. What I usually cannot directly find is the list of API functions. |
| 23:35.36 | Cairenn | *blink* |
| 23:36.00 | Cairenn | there's no list of api functions at wowi, might be why you can't find them |
| 23:36.04 | Cairenn | *grin* |
| 23:36.09 | [floyd] | There is. |
| 23:36.17 | Cairenn | why do I think we're talking about two different sites? |
| 23:36.22 | Cairenn | wowi vs wow wiki |
| 23:36.41 | [floyd] | I understand my mistake. |
| 23:37.24 | Kirov | [floyd] - go to the front page of www.wowwiki.com and click on the "World of warcraft api" link on the center right |
| 23:37.25 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/ vs http://www.wowwiki.com/Main_Page |
| 23:40.32 | Cairenn | at least now I understand why the confusion :) |
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| 23:44.40 | abug | what are the two guilds for? discussion while testing your addons? |
| 23:46.36 | MentalPower | the two guilds on Draka? |
| 23:47.00 | Cairenn | Load On Demand on alli side |
| 23:47.07 | Cairenn | Register for Save on horde |
| 23:47.54 | Cairenn | folks don't idle there much, so if you need a hand with testing something, usually best to pop in here first and see if someone has time to give you a hand |
| 23:48.08 | Cairenn | I can log in to guild you if you want |
| 23:49.02 | Cairenn | yes? no? |
| 23:50.33 | Cairenn | evening Kaelten |
| 23:50.37 | Kaelten | hiya :) |
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| 23:52.42 | AnduinLothar | see now.. that's the best part... the door opens.... and there's the girl... standing there in her blue dress... bodies all around her... blood dripping from the axes in her hands... |
| 23:53.20 | Kirov | mt? ... but I love Firefly too |
| 23:53.24 | Kirov | Serenity was a great movie |
| 23:53.28 | Cairenn | yeah |
| 23:54.11 | AnduinLothar | just ended on show time. and I think there was a series marathon one of the days in the past week of two |
| 23:54.12 | Kirov | They kill off some of my favorite characters, but then ... I think they're all my favorite characters. |
| 23:54.37 | AnduinLothar | and I watched it on the projector with the surround and the sub blaring. goodness |
| 23:56.52 | AnduinLothar | anyone wanna play with wardrobe 1.9 before i publish? just to make sure i didn't make any stupid errors? |
| 23:56.56 | abug | Cairenn: sorry was afk, I don't need an invite I was just wondering |
| 23:57.58 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Tain (i=tain@c-24-218-129-46.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
