irclog2html for #wowi-lounge on 20060920

`00:00.18`	`Wobin`	`why before?`
`00:00.47`	`Kaso`	`so i can event=nil :>`
`00:00.50`	`Kirkburn`	`A great little WoW comic - http://www.blizzard.com/wow/screenshot.aspx?ImageIndex=81&Set=64`
`00:01.21`	`Iriel`	`And what do you think event=nil will gain you?`
`00:01.29`	`Iriel`	`Other than potentially breaking the user's UI?`
`00:02.10`	`Kaso`	`this isnt really for users, i'm experimenting with blocking events and creating fake events`
`00:02.59`	`Thrae`	`Kaso: AceEvent-2.0 might be some good reading material.`
`00:03.36`	`Iriel`	`Fake events aren't too bad, just remember to preserve the event variables after you're done, and use pcall so errors dont break your restoration of the environment`
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`00:04.41`	`ckknight`	`hey all`
`00:05.05`	`Cairenn`	`hi ckknight`
`00:05.35`	`Maldivia`	`Kaso: how will you block events, without hooking every single event handler?`
`00:06.12`	`Kaso`	`making my addon register events first then event=nil`
`00:06.48`	`Maldivia`	`isn't the event var reset before the client calls the next event handler that has that event registered ?`
`00:07.01`	`Kaso`	`apparently not`
`00:07.25`	`Iriel`	`No, the globals are set up for the first dispatch`
`00:07.42`	`Iriel`	`Note that this wont help for addons that only register for one event then assume the UI only sends them that one (which is a reasonable assumption to make)`
`00:08.07`	`Maldivia`	`yeah, I have a few of those :)`
`00:08.27`	`Kaso`	`that is true`
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`00:08.47`	`Iriel`	`It's also considered EXTREMELY BAD FORM to screw with the global event variables.`
`00:08.49`	`Maldivia`	`I thought the globals were set before each dispatch, and not just the first`
`00:08.53`	`Iriel`	`But it sounds like you know that already.`
`00:09.02`	`Iriel`	`Maldivia: 'this' is reset for each dispatch`
`00:09.10`	`Iriel`	`Maldivia: That's all`
`00:09.22`	`Kaso`	`well of course, i never intend this to leave my computer.`
`00:09.26`	`Maldivia`	`Iriel: hmm, ok - I just figured this, event, arg1..9 were set`
`00:09.27`	`Kaso`	`i'm just playin :>`
`00:09.42`	`Iriel`	`Maldivia: They're left unchanged right now for performance`
`00:09.53`	`Maldivia`	`has it always been like that?`
`00:09.55`	`Iriel`	`Maldivia, : Since setting them each time involves a bunch of table writes to the global environment`
`00:09.58`	`Iriel`	`Maldivia, : Yup`
`00:10.02`	`Maldivia`	`hmm, ok`
`00:11.37`	`Maldivia`	`think I'll need to double-check my addons, if I accedentially change the arg# variables then`
`00:12.10`	`Maldivia`	`although I usually pass the args needed, as parameters to my events handler`
`00:14.40`	`Thrae`	`Iriel: Can you corrupt any of the data in a Frame by using the Frame table for other things, like Ace2 addon information?`
`00:14.47`	`Iriel`	`As long as you leave [0] alone, you can do whatever you want`
`00:15.27`	`Thrae`	`Does a GetMouseFocus call EnumerateFrames()?`
`00:15.38`	`Iriel`	`Thrae: No`
`00:15.46`	`Thrae`	`Someone is saying GetMouseFocus() is returning a name, but Frame:GetName() is returning an error.`
`00:15.51`	`Iriel`	`It's built in and presumably rather efficient`
`00:16.10`	`Iriel`	`What error?`
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`00:16.42`	`Thrae`	`The method doesn't exist. This is an addon where the author is using the addon name as both the frame name and the addon name in a global scope.`
`00:18.06`	`Thrae`	`When you set a Frame's name, is it stored internally as well as making a global reference? So if the global is overwritten by something else, you can still get the same name from EnumerateFrames() or GetMouseFocus()?`
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`00:18.39`	`Iriel`	`That's how it's supposed to work yes, I dont expect it to work otherwise`
`00:18.51`	`Iriel`	`GetMouseFocus returns a frame, not a name`
`00:19.01`	`Iriel`	`I wonder if they're getting the frame, its nanme, then doing getglobal on that name`
`00:19.59`	`dreyruugr`	`Iriel: I've tried getglobal and just accessing the object itself`
`00:20.24`	`dreyruugr`	`I did a /dump on the object and it's not a frame, but a user created object`
`00:20.55`	`Iriel`	`That doesn't bother the frame system, unless you're seeing GetMouseFocus() return THAT object`
`00:21.06`	`Thrae`	`dreyruugr: I'm pretty sure what's happening here is that the frame was created first with the name of the addon, then overwritten with the addon's own table. Yet since a name was set, you can get the name from GetMouseFocus() or EnumerateFrames().`
`00:22.00`	`dreyruugr`	`GetMouseFocus() returns (in this case) oUF_Target`
`00:22.25`	`Iriel`	`Presumably you mean it returns a frame whose name is oUF_Target`
`00:22.27`	`dreyruugr`	`but if I do getglobal( "oUF_Target" ) I get the addon`
`00:22.40`	`Thrae`	`dreyruugr: Are you comparing GetMouseFocus() == getglobal( "oUF_Target" ) ?`
`00:22.50`	`dreyruugr`	`nope`
`00:23.03`	`Thrae`	`Yeah, then you're doing GetName() on the return from GetMouseFocus()`
`00:23.15`	`dreyruugr`	`Yeah, and it works`
`00:23.22`	`Iriel`	`because the FRAME is called that`
`00:23.32`	`Iriel`	`there's no guarantee that a frame called X is accessable through the global X`
`00:23.35`	`dreyruugr`	`then I store that name, and later on I do getglobal() and it give me the wrong thing`
`00:23.39`	`dreyruugr`	`ahhh`
`00:23.42`	`Iriel`	`Dont store the name`
`00:23.43`	`Iriel`	`8-)`
`00:23.46`	`dreyruugr`	`Is there something else I can store?`
`00:23.48`	`Thrae`	`dreyruugr: That's because a Frame, once created, cannot be destroyed in Lua. So all information it was set with, including a name, stays with it.`
`00:24.02`	`Iriel`	`Or convince the authors of the oUF_Target not to be so confusing`
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`00:24.11`	`Thrae`	`dreyruugr: Even when the global reference to it has been overwritten to point to something else (the addon object)`
`00:24.11`	`dreyruugr`	`keeping in mind, this has to work between sessions`
`00:24.15`	`Iriel`	`Lots of blizzard code will get upset if you replace its frames`
`00:24.33`	`Iriel`	`Then complain to the authors that they shouldn't clobber their frame, or they should make it anonymous`
`00:24.49`	`dreyruugr`	`Currently I'm just calling oUF unsupported, since it's doing non-standard (and imho nasty) things`
`00:25.02`	`Iriel`	`Here's a simple test`
`00:25.21`	`Iriel`	`if GetMouseFocus() ~= getglobal(GetMouseFocus():GetName()) then dont support the frame`
`00:25.42`	`Iriel`	`(assuming the frame has a name, it doesn't have to0`
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`00:26.01`	`dreyruugr`	`the frames are entered by hand`
`00:26.06`	`dreyruugr`	`not by mousefocus`
`00:26.27`	`dreyruugr`	`i explicitly support standard frames (PlayerFrame, TargetFrame, etc...)`
`00:26.31`	`Iriel`	`Ah`
`00:26.36`	`Thrae`	`dreyruugr: Whenever I'm comparing tables in situations where I can't save pointers to all the tables, sometimes I like to do tostring(atable). Then if the pointer references don't match, I know they are all different tabels.`
`00:26.37`	`dreyruugr`	`there just happens to be a "Custom" option for folks that want it`
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`00:26.59`	`Iriel`	`An easy thing with frames is:`
`00:27.42`	`Kirov`	`Thrae - you're talking debugging, right?`
`00:27.46`	`Health`	`cladhaire: Another reason why I had the group number activated is for ML occations.. It's nice with an overview of which groups people are in so you easilly find them in the ML list`
`00:27.48`	`Iriel`	`type(F) == "table" and type(rawget(F,0))=="userdata" and type(F.GetName)=="function" and F:GetName()==frameName`
`00:28.07`	`Kirov`	`Thrae - you're not doing tostrings on tables to compare them in code`
`00:28.10`	`cladhaire`	`Health: I know there's a need for it, I'm just deciding how best to display that information`
`00:28.39`	`Tain`	`Your mom displays her information.`
`00:28.42`	`Thrae`	`Kirov: Yeah, it's not the most efficient way to do things, but instead of rewriting a lot of code, I just like to throw in self:Msg( tostring(foo) ).`
`00:28.53`	`cladhaire`	`Tain: =)`
`00:28.59`	`Thrae`	`Kirov: Just for debugging, yes.`
`00:29.32`	`Health`	`cladhaire: Ok, great.. then I can sleep well! Time to collapse into bed! peace out!`
`00:29.36`	`Health`	`...`
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`00:29.42`	`cladhaire`	`lol O.o`
`00:36.41`	`dreyruugr`	`Iriel: is the onSelf functionality of UseAction() known to be broken?`
`00:37.17`	`Iriel`	`dreyruugr: Not AFAIK, are you using it right?`
`00:37.28`	`dreyruugr`	`I think so, both of these fail`
`00:37.28`	`Iriel`	`dreyruugr: It's the /third/ parameter`
`00:37.36`	`dreyruugr`	`pop bandages into slot 1 and do:`
`00:37.48`	`dreyruugr`	`./script UseAction( 1, 0, 1 )`
`00:37.58`	`dreyruugr`	`or ./script UseAction( 1, 0, true )`
`00:38.15`	`dreyruugr`	`both just give the cast cursor`
`00:38.55`	`Iriel`	`have you tried UseAction(1, nil, 1) ?`
`00:38.56`	`cogwheel`	`they broke my feature?`
`00:39.06`	`Iriel`	`And, are you using any addons that hook UseAction?`
`00:39.19`	`cogwheel`	`oh... wait... maybe someone is improperly hooking UseAction?`
`00:40.30`	`dreyruugr`	`could be`
`00:40.41`	`Iriel`	`Someone else could test, I dont have wow handy`
`00:40.59`	`dreyruugr`	`same`
`00:41.06`	`dreyruugr`	`no addons loaded, it still doesn't work`
`00:41.09`	`cogwheel`	`i have wow but am in BRS atm`
`00:42.14`	`Iriel`	`dreyruugr, : I assume you checked that when you do click on yourself you bandage yourself?`
`00:42.29`	`dreyruugr`	`yeah`
`00:42.39`	`dreyruugr`	`and the onSelf for UseContainerItem works fine`
`00:43.09`	`Iriel`	`I'd say it's not a known issue then, you should post it in the bug forum and the UI forum, if they ever let you log in`
`00:43.18`	`dreyruugr`	`heh, true`
`00:46.05`	`Kaso`	`it only seems to be with items, /run UseAction(1,0,1) works fine with Healing wave on my level1 shaman`
`00:48.07`	`AnduinLothar`	`yay Python 2.5`
`00:48.15`	`cladhaire`	`ooh, whats new?`
`00:49.40`	`AnduinLothar`	`Avast! I know not. Mayhap we shall voyage to python.org to find out!`
`00:50.04`	`cladhaire`	`aargh, that be a good plan`
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`00:51.23`	`AnduinLothar`	`There be a new view.`
`00:52.09`	`AnduinLothar`	`http://www.python.org/download/releases/2.5/highlights/`
`00:52.54`	`cladhaire`	`i was actually reading some of that today.. must not have registered =)`
`00:53.32`	`AnduinLothar`	`http://loadingreadyrun.com/showmovie.php?x=480&y=360&url=talklikepirate.mov`
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`00:57.24`	`AnduinLothar`	`Automated Installer they be having now. 'Tiss about tim!`
`00:57.26`	`AnduinLothar`	`time*`
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`01:12.52`	`Cairenn`	`god it boggles my mind some times, approving mods ... 2220 files`
`01:13.11`	`Xuerian`	`Holy crap o_0`
`01:13.19`	`Tain`	`And that's just ckknight!`
`01:13.25`	`Kirkburn`	`haha`
`01:13.30`	`Kirkburn`	`zing!`
`01:13.31`	`Cairenn`	`mind you, some of those are .svn files, but geezus`
`01:14.05`	`DrDre`	`LOL`
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`01:15.27`	`Kirkburn`	`I noticed yesterday I have a giant WoW poster with signatures from lots of the developers - wonder if slouken is on it ...`
`01:16.39`	`Kaso`	`is 1.12.1 live in US today?`
`01:16.43`	`Cairenn`	`nope`
`01:16.45`	`Kirkburn`	`nuh-uh`
`01:17.03`	`AnduinLothar`	`ckk is rather proficient. He's catching up to me with all those zillion foobar plugins`
`01:17.04`	`Kaso`	`ok`
`01:17.22`	`DrDre`	`i remember some wierd wording in the post, isthe mount changes going live in 1.12.1 or is it just in PTR? I thought i read its not going to be in the actual 1.12.1`
`01:17.35`	`Cairenn`	`Man, some days I still wish I'd managed to get my head around WoW's coding. I still love my UIs that I created back in EQ: http://www.eqinterface.com/downloads/preview.php?id=3582`
`01:18.02`	`Kirkburn`	`Lol, I just noticed slouken's WoWWiki entry: http://www.wowwiki.com/Slouken`
`01:18.11`	`DrDre`	`well never played eq so dont know whats special bout that :p`
`01:18.19`	`AnduinLothar`	`I haven't heard of you actually sitting down and trying cair`
`01:18.28`	`Kirkburn`	`ooh, burn`
`01:18.39`	`Kirkburn`	`Cairenn, is there a screeny of the normal EQ ui anywhere?`
`01:18.40`	`AnduinLothar`	`wasn't meant to be mean...`
`01:18.41`	`Cairenn`	`AnduinLothar: I have`
`01:18.47`	`Cairenn`	`didn't take it that way`
`01:19.21`	`Cairenn`	`http://www.eqinterface.com/downloads/preview.php?id=7041`
`01:19.30`	`Cairenn`	`that's (more or less) what the default used to look like`
`01:19.35`	`Cairenn`	`I don't know what it looks like any more`
`01:19.43`	`Kirkburn`	`Hey, that's really nice!`
`01:19.52`	`zenzelezz`	`Cairenn: I'd feel a bit... caged in with that UI, but it looks like a pretty good job anyhow :-o`
`01:19.56`	`Thrae`	`The retail WoW interface wasn't too much of an improvement over the retail EQ interface in my opinion.`
`01:20.19`	`AnduinLothar`	`it was slightly prettier`
`01:20.20`	`Thrae`	`But with WoW's interface design, they can easily upgrade it, and have by far.`
`01:20.22`	`AnduinLothar`	`less square`
`01:20.32`	`Tain`	`The retail WoW interface is irrelevant though. However, it was hugely better than the original EQ enterface.`
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`01:20.38`	`DrDre`	`I want to see your wow ui cair :P http://fanetworks.net/addons/wowui.png is mine`
`01:20.45`	`Thrae`	`Hence "not too much of an improvement"`
`01:20.55`	`Kirkburn`	`She won't let us see which addons she uses :(`
`01:20.55`	`Cairenn`	`oh, the original eq interface was horrendous`
`01:21.00`	`AnduinLothar`	`afaik she's not posted ss's on purpose`
`01:21.05`	`Cairenn`	`indeed`
`01:21.12`	`DrDre`	`(Black is viewport changed not covering screen)`
`01:21.12`	`Thrae`	`I usually played EQ in its "simple" UI mode.`
`01:21.43`	`Thrae`	`I think I came in 1-2 years late, maybe I'm thinking of a different version of the EQ UI.`
`01:21.46`	`Kirkburn`	`Cairenn, the borders remind me of TKing (er, that's the right name, yes?)`
`01:22.02`	`Cairenn`	`Kirkburn: aye and no wonder, since we worked on stuff together`
`01:22.26`	`Cairenn`	`some graphics his, some mine, some code his, some mine`
`01:22.30`	`Kirkburn`	`It's good, I don't like ones that are a mish mash of different styles`
`01:23.44`	`Kirkburn`	`I'm much more of a minimalist, however - I took the tag name 'mnmlst' for a while :P`
`01:24.14`	`Tain`	`I'm trying to find a better picture, but here's one. http://eur.i1.yimg.com/eur.yimg.com/xp/gamespot/image/everquest/49/everques_screen003_image.jpg`
`01:24.29`	`Wobin`	`Kirkburn: I'd have used 'smll'`
`01:24.33`	`JoshBorke`	`hm, how would i make 2 editboxes share an area of a frame?`
`01:24.50`	`Cairenn`	`Tain: heh, yup, there's the very first shudder`
`01:25.14`	`Cairenn`	`http://www.eqinterface.com/downloads/preview.php?id=2281&t=1`
`01:25.40`	`Kirkburn`	`oh my`
`01:25.43`	`Kirkburn`	`my oh my oh my`
`01:26.21`	`Kirkburn`	`Well I'm glad the world has advanced into having information windows now`
`01:27.10`	`Kirkburn`	`What's the EQ2 UI like?`
`01:27.20`	`cladhaire`	`s/having information windows now/directly emulating the World of Warcraft UI/`
`01:27.34`	`cladhaire`	`I mean hi =)`
`01:27.53`	`Cairenn`	`Kirkburn: you might find a screenshot of the base EQ2 UI here: http://www.eq2interface.com/ :p`
`01:28.21`	`Kirkburn`	`What an strange site, I wonder who runs it? ;)`
`01:28.38`	`Iriel`	`I hear it's owned by......`
`01:29.14`	`Kirkburn`	`Are those gelatinous cubes I spy in the logo?`
`01:29.45`	`Kirkburn`	`(bloody equipment stealers they are)`
`01:30.45`	`Cairenn`	`the cube has always been part of our logo because they are a standard representation for "building". we build communities`
`01:31.17`	`Dolby-wowi`	`Its jello`
`01:31.20`	`Dolby-wowi`	`mmmmm`
`01:31.43`	`Kirkburn`	`With an orange flavoured cookie base?`
`01:31.50`	`Dolby-wowi`	`yep`
`01:31.58`	`Kirkburn`	`Mmm`
`01:33.14`	`Kirkburn`	`I shall ponder the metaphysical meaning of the symbol, whilst salivating at the tastiness of the jelly (yes, jelly, that's what it's called, okay =)`
`01:35.35`	`Kirkburn`	`I just found slouken's signature on the poster :)`
`01:35.50`	`Iriel`	`He's in the collectors edition manual also`
`01:36.27`	`Tain`	`You know I still have my original cloth map of Norrath.`
`01:36.44`	`Dolby-wowi`	`hehe , same here`
`01:36.49`	`Cairenn`	`ditto`
`01:37.12`	`Kirkburn`	`How big is/was Norrath?`
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`01:38.13`	`Kirkburn`	`I mean, is Norrath the entire EQ world?`
`01:38.35`	`Dolby-wowi`	`well the cloth map was about 10"x10"`
`01:38.46`	`Tain`	`I don't even remember anymore.`
`01:38.48`	`Cairenn`	`no, it isn't the entire world`
`01:39.11`	`Tain`	`Well it wasn't the moon.`
`01:39.38`	`Tain`	`Or the planes, didn't every expansion end up being some new plane after that Luclin nonsense?`
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`01:41.07`	`Thrae`	`Chuck Norrath.`
`01:45.47`	`zenzelezz`	`I remember trying EQII for about two weeks... got a scout to level 15 or something (I think) before encountering mobs I couldn't seem to solo and then losing interest`
`01:46.16`	`zenzelezz`	`the game looked nice enough, but I found the letterbox UI weird... why waste the space like that o_O`
`01:46.54`	`AnduinLothar`	`oh wow... my server's down till noon tomorrow`
`01:47.01`	`AnduinLothar`	`new hardware, yay`
`01:47.07`	`AnduinLothar`	`down time, boo`
`01:47.07`	`zenzelezz`	`careful Anduin`
`01:47.18`	`zenzelezz`	`they upgraded my server a while ago, causing two weeks of horrendous lag`
`01:47.24`	`AnduinLothar`	`heh`
`01:47.34`	`AnduinLothar`	`we'll see`
`01:47.43`	`Xuerian`	`"Upgrade" is hamster-code for "Pain on a stick"`
`01:48.10`	`AnduinLothar`	`some idiot didn't read that tho and scheduled a guild raid for tomorrow`
`01:48.19`	`AnduinLothar`	`NEVER raid after maintinence`
`01:48.26`	`Kirkburn`	`nonce`
`01:48.32`	`Iriel`	`off home, bbl`
`01:48.39`	`Kirkburn`	`see ya`
`01:49.22`	`Kirkburn`	`I don't know the current state of the EU upgrades _- I certainly haven't heard of any 1 1/2 day maintenances`
`01:49.37`	`AnduinLothar`	`ya, that suprized me`
`01:50.26`	`zenzelezz`	`well, my server's upgrade (which was grouped with the rest of the datacenter I think) took a few hours longer than expected, and then they had the lag problems with all the realms... but that seemed to be just due to faulty hardware`
`01:50.31`	`Kirkburn`	`DrDre, you asked earlier - the mount changes will be in 1.12.1 (weather permitting :)`
`01:51.20`	`Kirkburn`	`Ah, my server hasn't been done yet`
`01:51.28`	`AnduinLothar`	`the real question is whether people who have quest mounts get the riding skill...`
`01:51.33`	`zenzelezz`	`is 1.12.1 close?`
`01:51.40`	`AnduinLothar`	`cause we spent almost as much getting ours..`
`01:51.41`	`Kirkburn`	`They do, AnduinLothar, is what I've heard`
`01:51.48`	`zenzelezz`	`AL: I saw mention that they will get the skill`
`01:51.52`	`AnduinLothar`	`good`
`01:52.01`	`Kirkburn`	`So we can get epic mounts cheaply too :)`
`01:52.04`	`zenzelezz`	`would be utterly stupid if they didn't anyhow`
`01:52.12`	`AnduinLothar`	`then i'll finish repping and get my kitty cheep`
`01:52.19`	`Kirkburn`	`zenzelezz, if by close you mean next week?`
`01:52.49`	`zenzelezz`	`well I hardly expect it to be in a few hours`
`01:53.39`	`zenzelezz`	`I think they should put it off, at least the mount change, until my ZG tiger drops`
`01:53.57`	`zenzelezz`	`since I'm a cheap bastard who simply won't pay several hundred gold for some extra speed =)`
`01:54.06`	`Kirkburn`	`Btw, if you haven't heard: Caverns of Time:`
`01:54.06`	`Kirkburn`	`-The Battle of Mount Hyjal - 25 person raid`
`01:54.07`	`Kirkburn`	`-The Opening of the Dark Portal - 5 person dungeon, max level`
`01:54.07`	`Kirkburn`	`-The Escape From Durnholde - 5 person dungeon, L66-68`
`01:54.41`	`Kirkburn`	`Sounds cool to me :)`
`01:55.05`	`zenzelezz`	`when's that, BC?`
`01:55.11`	`Kirkburn`	`yup`
`01:56.00`	`Kirkburn`	`It's from the elitistjerks forum, where Tigole posted recently`
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`02:24.02`	`Fructose`	`Hello`
`02:26.41`	`Fructose`	`I'm trying to add my own little frame to the ItemRefTooltip, but it's not showing up. But, I'm new, so it's probably obvious to someone else... http://wowi.pastey.net/960`
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`02:33.57`	`Kirov_`	`All you want to do is attach the button, correct?`
`02:36.48`	`Fructose`	`Well, no... that's juts a proof of concept, really.`
`02:37.00`	`Fructose`	`I probably want at least two buttons :-)`
`02:37.10`	`Fructose`	`And some text`
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`02:41.09`	`Kevorkian`	`if I'm using Telepathy.registerListener, do I have to specify a partial callback function or does telepathy have a default handler for assembling the datagrams?`
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`02:43.35`	`Thrae`	`Forrrrking is eeeevviillll`
`02:44.29`	`Kevorkian`	`forking A it is`
`02:45.42`	`Kevorkian`	`anybody moderately familiar with how Telepathy works?`
`02:47.37`	`cladhaire`	`AnduinLothar is`
`02:47.53`	`AnduinLothar`	`mmm?`
`02:48.04`	`Kevorkian`	`telepathy`
`02:48.12`	`AnduinLothar`	`what do you want to know?`
`02:48.45`	`Kevorkian`	`when I'm registeringListener, do I have to specify the partial callback function or does telepathy handle that by default?`
`02:49.00`	`AnduinLothar`	`if you don't pass it it's not called`
`02:49.15`	`AnduinLothar`	`it's optional`
`02:49.17`	`Kevorkian`	`does the datagram still get assembled?`
`02:49.26`	`AnduinLothar`	`yes`
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`02:49.36`	`Kevorkian`	`cool, I get to be lazy then :)`
`02:49.37`	`AnduinLothar`	`it's onyl needed if you want to update the screen with progress`
`02:49.46`	`Kevorkian`	`ahhh gotcha`
`02:50.18`	`Kevorkian`	`I have a more basic newb question then`
`02:52.07`	`MentalPower`	`C++ question, how do you concatenate two strings?`
`02:52.08`	`Kevorkian`	`more of a syntax thing really, if I'm registeringListener and I want it to call MyAddon_MessageReceived(message, sender, method) do I just put "MyAddon_MessageReceived" as the second argument or do I have to put the (message, sender, method) in there too?`
`02:52.15`	`Kevorkian`	`strcat`
`02:52.17`	`MentalPower`	`or more exactly two chars into a string`
`02:52.39`	`Kevorkian`	`sprintf("%c%c");`
`02:52.41`	`zenzelezz`	`what kind of string? std::string, C-style..?`
`02:52.43`	`MentalPower`	`someString = strcat(stringOne, stringTwo)`
`02:52.45`	`MentalPower`	`like that?`
`02:52.48`	`Fructose`	`MentalPower: C++ strings or C strings?`
`02:52.58`	`AnduinLothar`	`just pass MyAddon_MessageReceived`
`02:53.02`	`MentalPower`	`std::string`
`02:53.06`	`MentalPower`	`C++`
`02:53.09`	`Kevorkian`	`actually what I said above`
`02:53.18`	`Kevorkian`	`sprintf("%c%c", char_one, char_two);`
`02:53.34`	`zenzelezz`	`for std::string I think you can just do somestdstring = a+b;`
`02:53.36`	`Kevorkian`	`thank you anduin`
`02:53.38`	`AnduinLothar`	`MyAddon_MessageReceived is the variable associated with the function, used to call the function`
`02:54.04`	`Fructose`	`Yes. In many situations, it's easier to do firstString += secondString;`
`02:54.08`	`Kevorkian`	`gotcha, wasn't sure if there was some funky lua-ness I was missing`
`02:54.17`	`AnduinLothar`	`lol wtf is SVNBot and why is he spamming me?`
`02:54.32`	`Kevorkian`	`I'm guessing a bot that is made to spam people`
`02:54.42`	`Kevorkian`	`k-line`
`02:54.47`	`AnduinLothar`	`duh, why didn' I think of that >.<`
`02:55.10`	`Kevorkian`	`what is it selling?`
`02:55.10`	`cladhaire`	`AnduinLothar: he pulls zips down from our svn.. but he responds to wierd triggers.. ask Thrae`
`02:55.12`	`cladhaire`	`he did the same to me =)`
`02:56.55`	`Fructose`	`So can I get any suggestions on my code... http://wowi.pastey.net/960`
`03:01.58`	`MentalPower`	`Fructose: what about it?`
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`03:06.53`	`Kevorkian`	`MentalPower: when you said you wanted to concatenate two characters into a string, did you mean literally char a, b; or some strings that are one character long?`
`03:08.19`	`MentalPower`	`checking`
`03:08.39`	`MentalPower`	`~lart SVNBot`
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`03:11.54`	`MentalPower`	`Kevorkian: char a,b;`
`03:13.41`	`Kevorkian`	`then you don't want to add them I don't believe. char is essentially a 1 byte unsigned integer. if there's a format function for your string class do the .format("%c%c", a, b)`
`03:14.06`	`zenzelezz`	`in C++, a char is not an int, it's a char`
`03:14.18`	`zenzelezz`	`and std::string works pretty well with them I think`
`03:14.41`	`Kevorkian`	`you may be right, I learned C first so my information may be biased by my upbringing`
`03:15.09`	`Kevorkian`	`anybody know if PLAYER_GUILD_UPDATE is fired when you "join" a guild? the wiki says when kicked/quit but nothing about joined`
`03:16.47`	`MentalPower`	`Rephrase: How would I concatenate two C-Style chars in C++ into an std::string?`
`03:17.11`	`Fructose`	`MentalPower: Oh, I guess you joined after my initial plea... I'm trying to add my own little frame to the ItemRefTooltip, but it's not showing up.`
`03:18.00`	`Kevorkian`	`use the format function`
`03:18.11`	`Kevorkian`	`"%c%c", a, b`
`03:18.14`	`zenzelezz`	`why do you keep saying that? o_O`
`03:18.33`	`Kevorkian`	`I'm torn between doggedness or lack of sleep`
`03:18.51`	`Fructose`	`MentalPower: string foo = "bar";`
`03:18.56`	`MentalPower`	`Fructose: did you try manually :SetPoint()'ing your frame to the ItemRefTooltip after the tooltip is drawn?`
`03:19.05`	`zenzelezz`	`MentalPower: I'm fairly sure you just do "std::string ab = a + b;", where a and b are chars. I'd check it, but I don't have VC++ installed`
`03:19.16`	`Fructose`	`zenzelezz: No`
`03:19.30`	`zenzelezz`	`the std::string class is fairly robust, and generally lets you get away with even mixing C/C++-style stuff`
`03:19.30`	`Fructose`	`a + b is not valid if a and b are c-style strings`
`03:19.32`	`DrDre`	`how exactly do you send a whisper to someone but not make it appear in your own chat log? Call To Arms did it with the Details command`
`03:20.15`	`MentalPower`	`DrDre: hooking the ChatFrame_OnEvent() function`
`03:20.31`	`DrDre`	`ah`
`03:21.38`	`Fructose`	`MentalPower: How do I get the left (obj) side of obj:SetPoint()?`
`03:22.11`	`MentalPower`	`you want your frame to be on the left of the itemref?`
`03:22.39`	`Fructose`	`I'd actually like it to be below, but I'm not sure how that would look when opened initially.`
`03:22.40`	`Kevorkian`	`zenzelezz: I'm pretty sure that the std:string won't work on that, because if a and b are C style chars then essentially you'd have to have std::string override the addition operator on byte addition. I don't think that's really something most compilers are ready to handle`
`03:24.01`	`Kevorkian`	`or rather, they may be ready to handle it, but I think it would cause widespread failures of just about every bit of code I can think of`
`03:24.18`	`zenzelezz`	`like I said, I can't check since I don't have a C++ compiler installed, but at least I can't remember having to resort to format functions or anything like that`
`03:24.53`	`Kevorkian`	`well, you could do ab += a; ab+=b; and that would work`
`03:25.46`	`Fructose`	`How many solutions does he need?`
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`03:25.50`	`MentalPower`	`I can confirm that ab = a+b doesn't work`
`03:25.57`	`MentalPower`	`only one that works`
`03:26.02`	`MentalPower`	`currently none have`
`03:26.28`	`Fructose`	`Well, then either you aren't using standardized C++ or you haven't tried my suggestion.`
`03:26.54`	`MentalPower`	`scrolls back`
`03:27.02`	`Fructose`	`It also depends on what your code looks like`
`03:27.32`	`Fructose`	`If you just initializing a C++ string, you'd do string foo = a; foo += b;`
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`03:29.14`	`MentalPower`	`pasting, one sec`
`03:30.15`	`MentalPower`	`http://www.pastey.net/961?hi=107`
`03:30.25`	`MentalPower`	`the highlighted line is the culprit`
`03:32.27`	`Kevorkian`	`I can't believe there isn't a format function in the std string implementation`
`03:34.25`	`Fructose`	`std:string ab = a; ab += b;`
`03:34.26`	`Kevorkian`	`oh ya, that wouldn't work`
`03:34.38`	`Kevorkian`	`what fructose just put would though`
`03:35.03`	`Fructose`	`I have no idea why you're using std:string though`
`03:35.03`	`Kevorkian`	`the problem is a standard char isn't a string, so trying to strcat will cause you some issues`
`03:35.31`	`MentalPower`	`why woudn't I be using std::string`
`03:35.38`	`MentalPower`	`what other options are there?`
`03:37.04`	`Fructose`	`MentalPower: strcat(a,b) will give you a C-string`
`03:37.19`	`Fructose`	`MentalPower: Which you use again anyway in InstrucRepeat[n]`
`03:37.42`	`Fructose`	`Oh, nevermind... that's a C++ string... weird use though`
`03:38.01`	`Kevorkian`	`fructose: if you try to strcat(a,b) if a and b are char you'll get an error`
`03:38.22`	`Fructose`	`Kevorkian: Not if you're using it right`
`03:38.39`	`Kevorkian`	`has nothing to do with using it right. char != string`
`03:39.11`	`Kevorkian`	`even if you pass a reference to a and b there's no telling where the null terminator is`
`03:39.12`	`Fructose`	`Kevorkian: And char != *char`
`03:39.47`	`Fructose`	`Kevorkian: And "a" and "b" are not documented in the code anywhere, so I have no reason to believe they're not character pointers.`
`03:40.34`	`Kevorkian`	`line 88 and 89 of the pasty`
`03:40.49`	`Fructose`	`Kevorkian: char Char1; char Char2;`
`03:40.56`	`Fructose`	`Kevorkian: Not char a; char b;`
`03:41.43`	`Kevorkian`	`shrug, a and b are examples`
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`03:42.08`	`Kevorkian`	`line 107 does just what you said you could do with a & b yet doesn't work`
`03:42.25`	`Fructose`	`Kevorkian: Well, <MentalPower> C++ question, how do you concatenate two strings?`
`03:42.45`	`Fructose`	`Kevorkian: That's what I read. If it somehow got changed to characters, I missed it.`
`03:42.59`	`MentalPower`	`yeah, I modified it`
`03:43.12`	`MentalPower`	`its two chars that need to be concatenated into a string`
`03:43.23`	`Fructose`	`Kevorkian: No. Someone's passing them by reference. That's a different ballgame.`
`03:43.39`	`Fructose`	`Kevorkian: You want to pass the pointer, not the pointer to the pointer.`
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`03:44.16`	`Kevorkian`	`won't matter, the char just will fill the first byte, strings require the null terminator, which you have no way of determining where that is`
`03:44.22`	`Kevorkian`	`reference or pointer`
`03:44.51`	`Fructose`	`OK. string ab = a; ab.push_back(b);`
`03:44.51`	`Kevorkian`	`the compiler will catch it, but if it didn't you'd randomly read through memory till you found a null`
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`03:45.07`	`Fructose`	`Or string ab = a; ab.apend(1, b);`
`03:45.20`	`Fructose`	`Or string ab = a; ab += b;`
`03:45.49`	`Fructose`	`*append`
`03:46.06`	`Kevorkian`	`why doesn't the C++ string class implement a format or sprintf I wonder`
`03:46.45`	`Fructose`	`Kevorkian: Because it already exists in C?`
`03:47.35`	`Fructose`	`Kevorkian: And the compiler usually only gives warnings about that sort of stuff. It is completely valid to pass a pointer to a pointer instead of a pointer.`
`03:47.38`	`Kevorkian`	`s'pose, but if you're using std::string then you'd have to get the C string first, do the operation and then put it back`
`03:48.38`	`Fructose`	`string foo = "bar"; char baz[5] = foo.c_string();`
`03:50.42`	`Kevorkian`	`seems like a roundabout way of doing it dontcha think? instead of a string foo; foo.format("%c%c", a,b);`
`03:51.08`	`Kevorkian`	`CString has stuff like that (granted not the most efficient implementation)`
`03:51.41`	`Fructose`	`I hate C`
`03:51.44`	`Fructose`	`And C++ for that matter`
`03:51.50`	`MentalPower`	`http://www.pastey.net/962`
`03:52.07`	`Fructose`	`Better than Java, though`
`03:52.07`	`MentalPower`	`error message for the last suggestions`
`03:52.48`	`Kevorkian`	`MentalPower: http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/C++_Programming/String#String_Formatting`
`03:53.02`	`Fructose`	`Can you re-paste?`
`03:53.09`	`MentalPower`	`http://www.pastey.net/962`
`03:53.25`	`Fructose`	`That's the error message`
`03:53.41`	`MentalPower`	`yup`
`03:53.52`	`Fructose`	`Not helpful unless I can see what's on and around line 113`
`03:54.35`	`MentalPower`	`updating the source`
`03:55.10`	`Kevorkian`	`MentalPower: that wiki link I just posted has some examples towards the end that I think will do ye. My C++ experience alas, was limited to using CString, which has formatting methods`
`03:57.29`	`MentalPower`	`Fructose: http://www.pastey.net/963`
`03:59.04`	`Fructose`	`Try string tempstring; tempstring = Char1; tempstring += Char2;`
`03:59.37`	`Thrae`	`Alright, I have a regexp problem.`
`04:00.01`	`Fructose`	`If that doesn't work, whatever you're using isn't using a compliant STL.`
`04:00.11`	`Thrae`	`grayhoof * r11455 SCT/sctd/ (localization.lua readme.txt sctd.lua): <-- how do I grab just "SCT", where "/sctd" may or may not exist.`
`04:00.44`	`Iriel`	`But there's always a slash after SCT?`
`04:00.49`	`Iriel`	`and a space before it?`
`04:00.58`	`Thrae`	`Iriel: No, there may be a slash or a space.`
`04:01.05`	`Fructose`	`Is it always SCT?`
`04:01.12`	`Thrae`	`Haha, no.`
`04:01.16`	`MentalPower`	`Fructose: Visual Studio.NET 2005 :)`
`04:01.17`	`Iriel`	`oh. upi saod wjere /sctd may or may not exist, not /sctd/`
`04:01.27`	`MentalPower`	`Fructose: C++ Express Edition`
`04:01.32`	`Fructose`	`MentalPower: M$ doesn't comply with standards`
`04:01.34`	`Iriel`	`damn keyboard (ok, fingers)`
`04:01.35`	`Fructose`	`MentalPower: They suck`
`04:01.43`	`Iriel`	`oh. you said where /sctd may or may not exist, not /sctd/`
`04:01.47`	`Fructose`	`MentalPower: I think they comply with the STL though`
`04:01.54`	`MentalPower`	`yeah, it compiles`
`04:01.55`	`Thrae`	`Iriel: Sorry, meant "where sctd/ may or may not exist"`
`04:01.58`	`Iriel`	`I'm not sure about now, but MS VC used to be very good at being standards compliant`
`04:02.36`	`Iriel`	`Thrae: Is it always preceded by r<some number> ?`
`04:03.05`	`Thrae`	`Iriel: Yeah, that part I got.`
`04:03.20`	`Fructose`	`I'd have to look up the doc for the std::string constructor, but you could probably doo string ab(a); too`
`04:03.21`	`Iriel`	`if so " r[0-9]+ ([^/ ]+)"`
`04:05.09`	`Fructose`	`MentalPower: If you want to do real coding, dump VC++ and just use vim, gcc, and gdb.`
`04:05.10`	`Osagasu`	`yaaay, my guild -finally- downed Vael`
`04:05.38`	`Thrae`	`Iriel: Ah yes, that did it. I made it a little stricter, /\s\\sr\d+\s([^\/\s]+).\s\(.+:/`
`04:06.28`	`MentalPower`	`Fructose: Well, university requires VC++, can'd do much about it`
`04:06.38`	`Fructose`	`MentalPower: Eh? Which one?`
`04:06.46`	`Osagasu`	`'>>`
`04:07.12`	`MentalPower`	`Fructose: Local university down here in Puerto Rico`
`04:07.19`	`Fructose`	`MentalPower: I don't even think the University of Washington requires VC++ and they're M$ whores.`
`04:07.30`	`MentalPower`	`sounds like they have a contract with M$ or something`
`04:07.57`	`Fructose`	`MentalPower: Nah. They just teach what M$ wants and in exchange M$ hires their students.`
`04:09.09`	`Fructose`	`So, enough MS bashing... how do I do that SetPoint() thing you were talking about? I'm not sure how to get the left-side of the statement.`
`04:09.17`	`Fructose`	`...the obj in obj:SetPoint()`
`04:09.31`	`Fructose`	`http://wowi.pastey.net/960`
`04:09.45`	`Iriel`	`obj is the frame you'er anchoring`
`04:09.59`	`Fructose`	`Yeah`
`04:10.05`	`Iriel`	`so if you have a frame X you want positioned above another frame Y you'd do`
`04:10.14`	`Iriel`	`X:SetPoint("BOTTOM", Y, "TOP", 0, 0);`
`04:10.29`	`Fructose`	`Ah`
`04:10.47`	`Iriel`	`Which sets the bottom point of X to be located (0,0) units from the top point of Y`
`04:10.47`	`Fructose`	`That'd be after I do ShowUIPanel, right?`
`04:11.25`	`Iriel`	`That would depend heavily on what you're anchoring and what it's anchored to 8-)`
`04:11.44`	`Fructose`	`Link was included :-)`
`04:12.41`	`Fructose`	`I inserted this after line 13... GR_ItemRefTooltip:SetPoint("TOP", ItemRefTooltip, "BOTTOM", 0, 0);`
`04:12.49`	`Fructose`	`And didn't see anything`
`04:12.53`	`Fructose`	`..in the game`
`04:13.33`	`Iriel`	`Well, your tooltip frame will be largely invisible`
`04:13.45`	`Fructose`	`Do I have to specify that it's not hidden?`
`04:13.47`	`Iriel`	`there's no reason for GR_ItemRefTooltip to be a tooltip, it could just be a frame`
`04:14.02`	`Iriel`	`But your button has no textures, so I think it shows up entirely blank`
`04:14.10`	`Fructose`	`OK. I was following an example someone gave me there... didn't entirely make sense at the time`
`04:14.27`	`Iriel`	`And you absolutely do NOT want "ShowUIPanel(GR_ItemRefTooltip)"`
`04:15.15`	`Fructose`	`OK... is there a frame I can inherit to get a visible background and border?`
`04:15.41`	`Iriel`	`Well, for now since i'm lazy about the xml syntax, change your GameTooltip to a Frame and then...`
`04:15.49`	`Fructose`	`Doen`
`04:15.51`	`Fructose`	`*Done`
`04:16.09`	`Iriel`	`after </Frames> put <Scripts><OnLoad>local t=this:CreateTexture();t:SetTexture(0.5,0.5,0.5);t:SetAllPoints(this);</OnLoad></Scripts>`
`04:16.29`	`Iriel`	`That should at least make your frame visible`
`04:18.00`	`cogwheel`	`all that C++ talk earlier reminded me of my e-mail signature: http://tinyurl.com/o47h3`
`04:18.06`	`Fructose`	`OK, now it doesn't load`
`04:18.36`	`Fructose`	`Is there some error log I can look at?`
`04:18.56`	`MentalPower`	`FrameXML.log`
`04:18.59`	`Iriel`	`Logs/FrameXML.log`
`04:19.02`	`MentalPower`	`insode the logs folder`
`04:19.24`	`Fructose`	`OK, fixed it... still no visible frame though`
`04:19.40`	`Iriel`	`Have you installed my DevTools AddOn yet?`
`04:19.51`	`Fructose`	`No`
`04:20.05`	`Iriel`	`Do that, then do /dump GR_ItemRefTooltip:IsVisible()`
`04:20.07`	`Iriel`	`8-)`
`04:20.07`	`Fructose`	`No addons installed after this "Patcher" software deleted everything`
`04:20.22`	`MentalPower`	`:P`
`04:21.38`	`Fructose`	`MentalPower: Wait, what else could they do besides delete my entire AddOns directory?`
`04:21.57`	`Fructose`	`MentalPower: I had like 20 AddOns in there, including some I was working on.`
`04:22.05`	`MentalPower`	`hmm... dunno... delete your patch.mpq?`
`04:22.19`	`MentalPower`	`anyways I gotta go home`
`04:22.24`	`MentalPower`	`see you guys later`
`04:22.27`	`Fructose`	`I don't think the addon gods are powerful enough :)`
`04:24.08`	`Fructose`	`[1]=1`
`04:25.27`	`Fructose`	`Iriel: So what do that mean?`
`04:25.35`	`Iriel`	`Okay, then it's on screen right now`
`04:25.49`	`Iriel`	`try /dump GR_ItemRefTooltip:GetLeft()`
`04:25.56`	`Iriel`	`repeat for GetRight, GetTop, and GetBottom`
`04:26.04`	`Iriel`	`(Alt Up arrow FTW)`
`04:26.14`	`Fructose`	`408.59.. etc`
`04:26.49`	`Iriel`	`Left and right are different though?`
`04:26.53`	`Iriel`	`Ditto top and bottom?`
`04:27.28`	`Fructose`	`All different`
`04:27.39`	`Iriel`	`Hm, then I dont know why it's not visible, can you pastey your code?`
`04:27.50`	`Fructose`	`Sure... lua, xml, both?`
`04:28.25`	`Iriel`	`Xml for now`
`04:28.44`	`Fructose`	`http://wowi.pastey.net/964`
`04:29.12`	`Fructose`	`The </Ui is a copying error`
`04:31.19`	`Iriel`	`You should be seeing a grey box showing up overlapping the bottom of the ItemRefTooltip`
`04:31.26`	`zenzelezz`	`US WoW forum down?`
`04:31.27`	`Iriel`	`you may want to change that y offset in the anchor to -80`
`04:31.40`	`Iriel`	`in case it's being hidden by the tooltip`
`04:32.35`	`Fructose`	`Heh. Weird. Now it appears, but there's no way it could have been hidden behind the tooltip... it's too big`
`04:33.58`	`Fructose`	`OK, weider... when I click on a linked item in chat, it appears, but it's smaller`
`04:34.04`	`Fructose`	`*weirder`
`04:34.14`	`Iriel`	`that may be a scale issue`
`04:34.58`	`Iriel`	`Try /dump GR_ItemRefTooltip:GetEffectiveScale() after each of them`
`04:37.03`	`Fructose`	`It stays the same... but I realize that the size of the tooltip itself changes, which just makes it look bigger/smaller in relation`
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`04:48.48`	`Fructose`	`So if you want a frame flexible depending on content, do you just leave out the <Size>?`
`04:48.53`	`Corrodias`	`awwwwwwwwww FREAK OUT`
`04:49.08`	`Kirov_`	`Iriel - it's a tooltip with no font strings. :Show() is going to hide it`
`04:49.28`	`Kirov_`	`oh, not a tooltip anymore`
`04:49.32`	`Kirov_`	`nm`
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`04:57.41`	`cogwheel`	`~emulate cogwheel`
`04:57.42`	`purl`	`ACTION keel-hauls the forums. Yarrrrr!`
`04:58.41`	`cogwheel`	`Corrodias: you'll be happy to know i'll probably have that song stuck in my head through tomorrow evening...`
`05:03.14`	`Iriel`	`Night all`
`05:03.21`	`Iriel`	`Have fun with your registry Fructose`
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`05:17.40`	`Cairenn`	`night folks`
`05:17.49`	`Xuerian`	`'Night Cairenn\|sleep :)`
`05:25.23`	`Corrodias`	`is there any way to determine how much memory each addon is currently consuming per second?`
`05:27.27`	`Xuerian`	`I use LuaProfiler (the xxxx3 version), it doesn't show exact KB/s but it shows increasing rate and other stats fairly well, sorted by function calls :) it's on wowi`
`05:29.01`	`Corrodias`	`doesn't show kb/s but does show the increasing rate?`
`05:29.30`	`Xuerian`	`It shows a constant increasing value :P`
`05:30.26`	`Corrodias`	`that doesn't help me understand, so let me switch the question: will it help me determine which of my addons is consuming over 300KB/s during combat?`
`05:30.52`	`Xuerian`	`Should.`
`05:31.53`	`Xuerian`	`logon, type /profiler, and "add" things like "_" or "On" to the function field, it should catch most of the functions, since there's no "All" button....`
`05:32.14`	`Xuerian`	`http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/download.php?id=4843&aid=3537`
`05:32.32`	`Xuerian`	`There's a version on the SVN, but the recent versions show a asston more information and honestly I couldn't make it out -_-;`
`05:34.59`	`Corrodias`	`okay, let's see, how do i add this..`
`05:36.59`	`Xuerian`	`Try typing _ in the entry below the function column and hitting Add. Then On, then anything really. Once you're monitoring stuff, clicking on a colum will sort by that statistic and also update the view. Even while it's not updating it's tracing.`
`05:38.17`	`Wobin`	`Le Freak, c'est chic`
`05:38.38`	`Wobin`	`And now I have that stuck in my head, thanks Corrodias =P`
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`05:39.05`	`Xuerian`	`Corrodias: Just be careful you don't add certain things like "a". They tend to lock me up >_>`
`05:39.41`	`tyroney`	`Is there some good reason the client always remakes the Blizzard_ addon folders? I mean, really. They can't be all that necessary.`
`05:40.00`	`tyroney`	`It's not like they show up un-toggleable in the addons button.`
`05:40.04`	`Xuerian`	`They're there so you can see what's in them :P`
`05:40.34`	`tyroney`	`The pub files, to make it easier for someone to reverse engineer protected mods?`
`05:40.52`	`Xuerian`	`So people can add onto them :)`
`05:40.59`	`Xuerian`	`or replace their functionality.`
`05:41.37`	`tyroney`	`The ones that are generated are placeholders, in case you haven't checked. No useful files in them.`
`05:42.05`	`Xuerian`	`Assumptions. They make a ass out of u and me. Namely me, in this case. >_>`
`05:42.26`	`Xuerian`	`You saw nothing =O`
`05:42.36`	`tyroney`	`What are you talking about?`
`05:42.43`	`Xuerian`	`We were talking? <_<`
`05:43.25`	`Corrodias`	`well, i can't really make sense out of this. oh, well.`
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`05:43.51`	`Xuerian`	`Corro, you see a "Memory" column right?`
`05:45.21`	`Corrodias`	`i was using the newer version you mentioned, which has several memory columns, none of which have any high numbers`
`05:45.52`	`Xuerian`	`And that's why I use the older version >_>`
`05:46.17`	`Corrodias`	`although it did give me a few hints which seem to have payed off. i disabled the 3 addons it mentioned at the top of its list and now i'm barely losing memory at all`
`05:46.29`	`Xuerian`	`Out of curiosity, what addons?`
`05:46.39`	`Corrodias`	`may have spoken too soon, yes, hang on`
`05:46.58`	`Corrodias`	`ABInfo, fubar-speed, and fubar-location`
`05:47.30`	`Xuerian`	`Odd, FuBar_LocationFu doesn't affect me much at all. Can't speak for the other two.`
`05:48.06`	`Corrodias`	`i'll perform some mundane duties as i activate them individually`
`05:49.10`	`Corrodias`	`did i say fubar-speed? i meant fubar-moneyfu`
`05:50.17`	`Xuerian`	`Heh. I dont' see why those two would go nuts in combat. Are you using the SVN versions?`
`05:51.00`	`Corrodias`	`no`
`05:51.31`	`Xuerian`	`Latest from WoWI though, then?`
`05:51.42`	`Corrodias`	`probably`
`05:52.11`	`Xuerian`	`No clue =\`
`05:53.25`	`Corrodias`	`it probably isn't them. it's very hard to tell, you see, what's going on, because it's not always going on`
`05:53.32`	`Corrodias`	`i can just be standing around and suddenly i'm losing 150kb/s. i can be in combat and it doesn't go over 25.`
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`05:54.54`	`Corrodias`	`given the evidence, i doubt any of those is involved`
`05:56.50`	`Xuerian`	`Honestly, I'd get the 1.3.0.0 version from here: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4843 ... It's much simpler, and it's got a solid memory value that you can track just by clicking the memory column reppeatedly and watching. I'm sure there's a better addon for this but it's what I use :)`
`06:01.03`	`Corrodias`	`at least skinning is super easy to level up`
`06:01.11`	`Xuerian`	`lol`
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`06:03.40`	`Fructose`	`When I do <AbsDimension x="1000" y="1000"/>, why is it only huge in the x direction?`
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`06:08.34`	`Dhraga`	`Morning all`
`06:09.23`	`Corrodias`	`i dropped disenchanting to take skinning again. i'm such a goof. :)`
`06:09.56`	`Xuerian`	`'morning Dhraga`
`06:10.06`	`Corrodias`	`oh yes, hi`
`06:10.28`	`Dhraga`	`well disenchanting provides a bit more cash income than skinning, but you get a knife with skinning...thats always something ;)`
`06:12.44`	`Dhraga`	`Corrodias, why did you pick up skinning btw ? For the cash or for the fun of pealing the skin of animals ;)`
`06:13.06`	`AnduinLothar`	`there should be a morbid skinnign mini game`
`06:13.28`	`AnduinLothar`	`and you have to drag your cursor/knife accross the body`
`06:13.43`	`AnduinLothar`	`and if you do it poorly you get lower quality skins`
`06:14.21`	`AnduinLothar`	`and if you suck at it all you loot is a [Bloody Mess]`
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`06:14.53`	`Dhraga`	`LoL, I can see the parents of the 10 year old players submitting complaints to blizz :P`
`06:15.17`	`Dhraga`	`And greenpeace ;)`
`06:15.37`	`AnduinLothar`	`:D`
`06:15.47`	`AnduinLothar`	`18 and older content`
`06:15.49`	`Cairenn\|sleep`	`have I mentioned lately that you guys have really morbid senses of humour?`
`06:16.17`	`InterSlayer`	`Hey, I'm making a wow-themed monopoly addon...can anyone think of 2 "Utility" type properties I could use? :P`
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`06:16.23`	`AnduinLothar`	`cairenn, you obviously haven't been paying attention to popular tv`
`06:16.28`	`Dhraga`	`Haha`
`06:16.38`	`tyroney`	`Tanaris water tower`
`06:16.41`	`Cairenn\|sleep`	`I don't watch TV, can't remember the last time I did`
`06:16.44`	`Wobin`	`Deeprun Tram`
`06:16.50`	`InterSlayer`	`trams already in rails type`
`06:17.08`	`Wobin`	`Gnomeregan =P`
`06:17.16`	`AnduinLothar`	`lets take nip tuck for example... It consists of porn + blood + self deprication + cutting people`
`06:17.21`	`tyroney`	`That one machine those two gnomes have just outside Kharanos?`
`06:17.22`	`Fructose`	`So where can I go to ask Wow dev questions? ;)`
`06:17.33`	`Cairenn\|sleep`	`right here`
`06:17.48`	`Fructose`	`Tried that already`
`06:17.50`	`Xuerian`	`Asking them is one thing.`
`06:17.53`	`Xuerian`	`Getting answers is another.`
`06:17.54`	`Xuerian`	`:)`
`06:18.02`	`Xuerian`	`We're a fickle bunch :P`
`06:18.03`	`Esamynn`	`Fructose: you'll get answers to those things among others...... O_o`
`06:18.13`	`malreth`	`Fructose: ask away`
`06:18.24`	`Wobin`	`<Fructose> When I do <AbsDimension x="1000" y="1000"/>, why is it only huge in the x direction?`
`06:19.08`	`AnduinLothar`	`do you have any set points?`
`06:19.17`	`AnduinLothar`	`they override size`
`06:19.35`	`Fructose`	`http://wowi.pastey.net/968`
`06:24.07`	`malreth`	`hmm... i can't get to wowi.pastey.net`
`06:24.13`	`malreth`	`nor can i get to any other website`
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`06:24.27`	`malreth`	`on any of my computers here`
`06:24.37`	`dukeku`	`yy`
`06:24.48`	`malreth`	`so, the obvious suspicion is that my network connection is down`
`06:24.53`	`malreth`	`but irc still works`
`06:26.53`	`Fructose`	`See, nearly everyone gets silent when I ask a question :(`
`06:27.37`	`malreth`	`i finally got the page to load`
`06:28.18`	`malreth`	`so, you make a frame 260 units wide, 1000 units tall`
`06:28.44`	`Fructose`	`Well, when I adjust the 260, it has an effect. The height doesn't change.`
`06:28.44`	`malreth`	`and you anchor its bottom to the ItemRefTooltip's bottom offset downward 80 units`
`06:29.04`	`Fructose`	`At least not when I increase it`
`06:29.34`	`malreth`	`what are you doing that requires a frame so tall?`
`06:31.24`	`malreth`	`with the way it's written, the two frames will overlap`
`06:32.09`	`Fructose`	`Which two frames?`
`06:32.33`	`malreth`	`Your GR_ItemRefTooltip and the ItemRefTooltip frames`
`06:32.38`	`Fructose`	`They don't`
`06:32.54`	`Fructose`	`Not visibly, anyway`
`06:33.18`	`tyroney`	`Have you tried GetHeight to see how big it thinks it is? And have you tried setting the height while running, and/or setting a top anchor?`
`06:35.02`	`malreth`	`nope... any way that i stare at that xml, i'm picturing the two frames overlapping... if they aren't then something else is modifying the frame's height or location`
`06:35.11`	`Fructose`	`GetHeight() is 999.999..etc`
`06:37.00`	`tyroney`	`Also, have you tried putting a texture in it, settingallpoint on it, and setting texture to something like 0,1,1,.5 to make sure you really know what the frame looks like?`
`06:37.23`	`Fructose`	`OK, yeah, it was being affected in the .lua file.`
`06:37.31`	`Fructose`	`So now it is overlapping`
`06:37.31`	`malreth`	`malreth is always right`
`06:37.42`	`Fructose`	`But is there a way to make the height flexible?`
`06:37.51`	`malreth`	`flexible, how?`
`06:37.55`	`Fructose`	`So it just stretches with content`
`06:38.06`	`malreth`	`ah... that's done in lua`
`06:38.14`	`Fructose`	`Bah, for it then`
`06:38.17`	`Fructose`	`*forget`
`06:38.19`	`tyroney`	`You have to stretch it manually for the content.`
`06:38.40`	`Fructose`	`OK. And how do I make the text in the buttons smaller?`
`06:39.14`	`malreth`	`ok... that was my good deed for the night... i'm off to bed as i have work in... BWAH HA HA!! 3 hours.`
`06:39.37`	`malreth`	`i'm a bad bad person for staying up so late`
`06:39.39`	`tyroney`	`ButtonNameText:SetHeight() ? Or do I need one less drink and a good night's sleep/`
`06:39.52`	`Esamynn`	`I know that if you don't set dimensions for a texture then it will re-size itself to fit whatever you set it to`
`06:40.00`	`Esamynn`	`same for a fontstring`
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`06:40.26`	`malreth`	`there's ckknight... he's a smartie`
`06:40.31`	`ckknight`	`hey all`
`06:40.48`	`malreth`	`hey, you're a smartie, right ckknight?`
`06:40.54`	`malreth`	`you're a smartie smart pants`
`06:40.57`	`ckknight`	`yea, turns out for the contest thing I solved a problem no one else on the island could in 5 hours in like 10 minutes for me.`
`06:41.20`	`Fructose`	`Island?`
`06:41.24`	`ckknight`	`of Hawaii`
`06:41.24`	`malreth`	`see? he's a self-proclaimed smartie`
`06:41.37`	`malreth`	`smarter than all of Hawaii`
`06:41.43`	`malreth`	`and it's hundreds of vowels`
`06:41.47`	`ckknight`	`this just happened, malreth, more coincidence than anything, really`
`06:41.51`	`ckknight`	`it has 5 vowels.`
`06:42.02`	`ckknight`	`like 11 consonants, though`
`06:42.26`	`malreth`	`Hawaii is like Japanese Lite`
`06:43.00`	`malreth`	`<PROTECTED>`
`06:44.21`	`malreth`	`bah`
`06:45.05`	`Fructose`	`OK, well, I'm trying to change the size of the text inside of a button. I tried <Layer><Fontstring height="1"/></Layer> for the hell of it.`
`06:45.23`	`Fructose`	`*FontString... didn't work anyway`
`06:46.44`	`tyroney`	`go to the OnLoad, and try [yourbuttonname]Text:SetHeight([something shorter])`
`06:47.13`	`tyroney`	`s/shorter/shorterthanyourbutton/`
`06:47.30`	`ckknight`	`~Hawaii`
`06:47.39`	`ckknight`	`shrug`
`06:48.23`	`tyroney`	`If I recall, the inherited font is named $parentText, and that should squish it down.`
`06:48.58`	`Fructose`	`OK. Should there be a way to do it without scripts, though?`
`06:49.10`	`tyroney`	`That was a script, but you can put it in the xml.`
`06:49.16`	`Fructose`	`I know.`
`06:50.09`	`tyroney`	`The way to do it sans any scripting would be to re-make (overwrite) the normal fontstring.`
`06:50.12`	`Fructose`	`But somehow it feels messy to have to use a script instead of defining it with tags.`
`06:51.02`	`tyroney`	`basically, if you want more control, you'll have to build parts or all of the button yourself.`
`06:51.19`	`tyroney`	`Or change what it comes with at runtime with some lua`
`06:52.59`	`Fructose`	`$parent_WantsText:SetHeight(1);`
`06:53.17`	`Fructose`	`I tried that and 10 instead of 1. Nothing happened as far as I could tell.`
`06:53.39`	`tyroney`	`In that case I must have remembered wrong... :(`
`06:54.49`	`krka`	`whoa Fructose what did you try to do?`
`06:55.00`	`krka`	`$parent_WantsText would never work in lua`
`06:55.32`	`Fructose`	`Woe is me`
`06:55.32`	`krka`	`hmm. does blizzard convert $parent in all of the xml?`
`06:55.48`	`krka`	`i thought it was just in name-parameters and stuff`
`06:56.06`	`Shadowed`	`Though so too`
`06:56.28`	`tyroney`	`That's right, there's a fontstring for each state of the button, isn't there?`
`06:58.24`	`Fructose`	`So if EditBox has an attribute "numeric", should I assume that I can just do <EditBox name="blah" numeric="1">?`
`06:59.37`	`tyroney`	`might be "true", but I believe so.`
`07:02.52`	`DrDre`	`damn talk about luck, 2 runs in AQ20 got all 3 my books, epic chest peice and 2 great blues`
`07:03.44`	`Fructose`	`Where in FrameXML might I find the code for the incrementing counter used when you shift-click a stack of items?`
`07:05.53`	`Fructose`	`Think I found it`
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`07:16.11`	`Corrodias`	`wasn't someone working on an addon to show when zeppelins/boats are arriving and departing?`
`07:16.43`	`Dhraga`	`Isn't that impossible, since it does not announce anything ?`
`07:17.04`	`Kirov`	`It worked off of when you zoned`
`07:17.53`	`Kirov`	`I seem to remember the limitation was that you had to of been on the boat / zeplin through one zone that session to see the timers.`
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`07:22.08`	`Fructose`	`OK, giving up for tonight`
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`07:29.36`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`u got to check how how many times the boat goes round in 1 hour then base if off the gametime :P`
`07:33.09`	`Tem`	`afaik, there is no way to predict the boats without basing it on someone actually using the baots`
`07:33.49`	`Tem`	`s/ao/oa/`
`08:13.18`	`Corrodias`	`hm, well, maybe i was just hearing someone contemplating the idea.`
`08:14.17`	`Kirov`	`hmm?`
`08:15.06`	`Kirov`	`I think so, Brain, but I can't figure out what to do with all the left over rubber tries.`
`08:15.15`	`Kirov`	`s/tries/trees/`
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`08:17.11`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`hi dukeku`
`08:17.20`	`dukeku`	`heyo`
`08:17.22`	`dukeku`	`:}`
`08:18.08`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`u play wow ?`
`08:18.29`	`dukeku`	`i quit months ago =(`
`08:18.36`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`bad decision :p`
`08:18.43`	`dukeku`	`pff`
`08:18.46`	`dukeku`	`tired of raiding the same old stuff`
`08:18.51`	`dukeku`	`was no fun`
`08:19.03`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`didnt u try an alt ?`
`08:19.26`	`dukeku`	`yeah, got an alt to 60`
`08:19.32`	`dukeku`	`got him geared up with purplez too`
`08:19.39`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`:p no orange ?`
`08:19.40`	`dukeku`	`that and my server slowly died`
`08:19.49`	`dukeku`	`with everyone leaving to others`
`08:20.06`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`ah yes then its n ofun`
`08:20.07`	`dukeku`	`pff the only oranges on the server were sulfuras by the time i quit`
`08:20.13`	`dukeku`	`i had a gnome rogue alt`
`08:20.15`	`dukeku`	`he was bad ass`
`08:20.20`	`dukeku`	`pirate moustache and a big combover`
`08:20.47`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`are u gona retry ? on the expansion ?`
`08:21.07`	`dukeku`	`yeah probably`
`08:21.11`	`dukeku`	`but i'm gonna have to transfer`
`08:21.16`	`dukeku`	`don't wanna be on that damn dead server anymore`
`08:21.19`	`dukeku`	`seriously everyone left =(`
`08:21.27`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`lol sux`
`08:21.33`	`dukeku`	`yea`
`08:21.40`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`my server is bit to fulll lots of que times`
`08:21.50`	`dukeku`	`i never had a queue on my server`
`08:22.07`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`i get it every eveing up to 300 ppl in line`
`08:22.08`	`dukeku`	`maybe ONCE on a big patch day or something, but if it happened i sure as hell don't remember anything like it`
`08:22.18`	`dukeku`	`one of the day-after-release servers`
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`09:15.49`	`eufemia`	`hey..any1 here?`
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`09:34.08`	`End`	`hmmmm`
`09:34.17`	`End`	`I guess maybe WORLD_MAP_UPDATE is immediate`
`09:39.58`	`End`	`(also, it appears that causing events that are sent immediately inside your event handling code is a good way to crash WoW)`
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`09:55.36`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`Cairenn: Hello!`
`09:55.45`	`Cairenn`	`hi \|FF\|Im2good4u`
`09:56.49`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`did u sleep wel ?`
`09:57.12`	`Cairenn`	`haven't slept at all yet`
`09:57.29`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`oww u must be tirerd then`
`09:57.36`	`Cairenn`	`oh yeah`
`09:59.11`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`so can u cude wowiu ?`
`09:59.23`	`Cairenn`	`nope`
`09:59.29`	`Cairenn`	`sorry`
`09:59.46`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`lol then wut so special about u ?`
`09:59.54`	`Cairenn`	`not a damn thing`
`10:00.28`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`oke i was just wondering why u got that @ in front of your name \o/`
`10:00.50`	`Cairenn`	`because I'm the channel owner?`
`10:01.04`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`ah see there is something special about u !`
`10:02.08`	`Cairenn`	`heh`
`10:02.29`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`but good job on this channel its nice and handy :p`
`10:03.00`	`Cairenn`	`thanks, but I just made it available, it's the users that make it good`
`10:04.15`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`ofc but a channel need good ops to keep it fun :p`
`10:04.39`	`Cairenn`	`:)`
`10:05.02`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`do u play wow ? at all ?`
`10:05.17`	`Cairenn`	`<== addict`
`10:05.56`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`then why not try some wow interfaces :p its not that hard and its fun whne it finely works after months of debugging`
`10:06.02`	`Cairenn`	`as for "who I am" ... this is who I am: http://www.wowinterface.com/index.php`
`10:07.55`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`cool a night elf`
`10:11.18`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`funny enough u dont do any ui stuff yourself but u do run that site / chnnel`
`10:12.02`	`Cairenn`	`I don't code for WoW`
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`10:12.29`	`Cairenn`	`doesn't mean I don't code`
`10:13.02`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`ah then wut do u code if i my ask ?`
`10:16.05`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`oke i gues im alllowed to ask then :p`
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`10:35.09`	`eufemia`	`did any1 try the WoW UI Designer?`
`10:51.31`	`DhragaAway`	`Carienn, r u from Azjol-Nerub ?`
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`11:27.05`	`JoshBorke`	`anyone have any examples for SimpleHTML frames in WoW?`
`11:44.33`	`Mikk`	`Um.. They're pretty straightforward imo`
`11:44.39`	`Mikk`	`What precisely do you need to know? =)`
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`11:59.56`	`Zikko`	`Can someone give me a hit how to check if a player exists when I just have a name of the player?`
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`12:13.22`	`JoshBorke`	`SimpleHTML does look quite simple, hopefully won't run into any problems with it`
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`12:36.57`	`Kevorkian`	`g'morn`
`12:37.12`	`CoffeeHunterZomb`	`'mornin`
`12:37.56`	`Kevorkian`	`is coffee an "elusive prey"?`
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`12:40.32`	`Kevorkian`	`cide: I haven't looked at your code yet, but I'm curious how easy would it be to grab the ct_raidtracker data on the fly? Like if I had a list of "raids in progress" and wanted to see which bosses had been down and who got what loot?`
`12:40.35`	`CoffeeHunterZomb`	`When there's none in the house, jah`
`12:41.03`	`Cide`	`Kevorkian: our version of ctrt doesn't store what bosses were killed`
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`12:41.35`	`Kevorkian`	`hmm, our webmonkey must be doing something else to track that then, what about the loot data?`
`12:42.39`	`Kevorkian`	`do you have a call that would return the data or would I have to customize a smidge?`
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`12:44.43`	`Kevorkian`	`does anybody know if PLAYER_GUILD_UPDATE is fired when somebody joins a guild? the wiki says gkicked/gquit but doesn't mention the join`
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`12:56.13`	`Mikk`	`I'd assume join too`
`12:56.18`	`Mikk`	`Test it and update the docs? =)`
`12:56.40`	`Mikk`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Logoidea.png <- 2 days this has taken me so far, and it's still not done >.<`
`12:56.56`	`Mikk`	`Gradients galore`
`12:57.06`	`krka`	`i hate it :/`
`12:57.15`	`Mikk`	`yay :-P`
`12:58.50`	`eufemia`	`you have a bug on the W letter in second row`
`12:58.51`	`JoshBorke`	`wow that's ugly...`
`12:59.14`	`Beladona`	`now now, be nice`
`12:59.18`	`JoshBorke`	`;-)`
`12:59.24`	`eufemia`	`yeah...its not that hidius`
`12:59.46`	`Beladona`	`I could make worse`
`12:59.57`	`Beladona`	`granted I would have to actually WANT to make worse, but...`
`13:00.00`	`eufemia`	`Mikk: do you see the bug?`
`13:00.49`	`eufemia`	`awwww, you trashed his work soo much that he run away :(`
`13:01.04`	`eufemia`	`shame on you!`
`13:01.14`	`Beladona`	`he is here`
`13:01.17`	`Beladona`	`just not talking`
`13:01.25`	`eufemia`	`but afk...or just not responding`
`13:01.27`	`Beladona`	`come back Mikk, people still love you`
`13:05.50`	`Kevorkian`	`Josh: you get your KB version checking figured out?`
`13:06.12`	`Mikk`	`aeuhh bug W where?`
`13:06.28`	`Mikk`	`argh`
`13:06.29`	`Mikk`	`i see it`
`13:06.43`	`JoshBorke`	`Kevorkian: synchronized timestamp`
`13:07.24`	`eufemia`	`it was like first thing I saw in it...it almost poked my eye out...you need to me more carefull with sharp letters!`
`13:07.35`	`JoshBorke`	`Kevorkian: when someone logs in they broadcast their current time(), if anyone has a higher time they will broadcast it, then i'll compare to the GetTime() result to synchronize to the minute of the game server`
`13:07.47`	`JoshBorke`	`Kevorkian: but that's on the back-burner while i develop the front-end of the system :-)`
`13:08.53`	`JoshBorke`	`Kevorkian: i'll be releasing in 2 parts: 1st part will be the gui functionality. 2nd part will be the synchronization functionality (which people can turn on and off [if turned on from off, all local settings will be erased])`
`13:08.57`	`Kevorkian`	`josh: ya, that's pretty much the way I'm going to do it, although I'm going to assume local time is correct for date if I have fewer than 3 folks to compare`
`13:08.58`	`JoshBorke`	`or sometihng like that`
`13:09.26`	`Kevorkian`	`synchronization tastes funny`
`13:09.40`	`eufemia`	`what are you working on guys?`
`13:10.13`	`eufemia`	`if its not a secret`
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`13:11.10`	`Xuerian`	`Heya Kirkburn :P`
`13:11.20`	`Kirkburn`	`Morning`
`13:11.42`	`Kevorkian`	`two different things eufemia, josh is working on a knowledge base, and I'm working on a scheduler app`
`13:11.54`	`Kevorkian`	`we both have syncronization issues though`
`13:12.12`	`Kevorkian`	`since both our apps share data across a guild`
`13:13.04`	`eufemia`	`oh, its just you are talking about syncronisation with minute precsion...that seems kinda not syncronized :)`
`13:15.30`	`Kevorkian`	`there are inherent difficulties`
`13:15.37`	`Kevorkian`	`with going more precise`
`13:16.33`	`Kevorkian`	`like the FREAKING server only being able to return time in HHMM, no seconds, milliseconds, FREAKING DAY MONTH or even YEAR (pardon the caps, I'm mildly frustrated)`
`13:16.45`	`JoshBorke`	`eufemia: what Kevorkian said. there's no way to guarantee that time() (seconds since epoch most times) will be even remotely accurate, the server doesn't return the date and only returns time to the minute`
`13:17.00`	`eufemia`	`I know`
`13:17.08`	`eufemia`	`I have the same problem :)`
`13:17.13`	`Kevorkian`	`neither of our apps fortunately require realtime syncronization`
`13:17.27`	`eufemia`	`thats why I'm reading what you say...to get the solution to my problem`
`13:17.32`	`Kevorkian`	`it's sufficient to be close (as in horseshoes or hand grenades)`
`13:17.36`	`Mikk`	`Kevorkian: Getting more accurate server time is easy though`
`13:17.41`	`Mikk`	`Though the date aspect is always iffy`
`13:17.41`	`eufemia`	`ow...lucky you :)`
`13:17.54`	`Kevorkian`	`mikk: please elucidate`
`13:18.03`	`eufemia`	`yeah..please`
`13:18.23`	`Mikk`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/GameTime:Get`
`13:19.21`	`Kevorkian`	`ooh you tricksy little hobbit`
`13:19.45`	`Kevorkian`	`I like it`
`13:19.48`	`JoshBorke`	`hm, i suppose that would work`
`13:19.56`	`Kevorkian`	`still leaves the problem of date`
`13:20.31`	`Kevorkian`	`heaven forbid I ever get some australians mucking about in my scheduler`
`13:20.42`	`JoshBorke`	`lol`
`13:23.52`	`eufemia`	`tnx Mikk`
`13:24.02`	`Kevorkian`	`eufemia: the other solution, that josh and I were talking about, is to try to poll the time on anybody trying to sync and trying to guess the correct time from that, given that you know the HHMM from the server. Mikk's solution will work for the time but the date issue you may have to poll your users`
`13:24.40`	`eufemia`	`I dont realy need the date`
`13:24.55`	`eufemia`	`I just want to create 1 sync point`
`13:25.19`	`eufemia`	`like if some1 trigers the commant that is then broadcasted to everyone in the raid`
`13:25.33`	`eufemia`	`that command starts the timers for everyone`
`13:26.00`	`eufemia`	`problem without the sync is that there is a posibility that you will lag and get the triger late and then your timmer will be way off`
`13:26.25`	`eufemia`	`but if you sync the addons before the triger, you can just sent the sync offset`
`13:28.48`	`JoshBorke`	`if you take latency into effect you can get better accuracy, don't forget :-)`
`13:29.18`	`eufemia`	`in waht way?`
`13:31.14`	`eufemia`	`oh...GetNetStats...and then include that in sync command....sweet :)`
`13:31.28`	`Mikk`	`GetNetStats is not accurate`
`13:31.29`	`Mikk`	`At all`
`13:31.46`	`Mikk`	`It takes closer to 10 minutes to adapt to a change in latency`
`13:31.48`	`Mikk`	`I kid you not`
`13:32.18`	`Mikk`	`Or... wait...`
`13:32.22`	`Mikk`	`Was that the data rate`
`13:32.22`	`Mikk`	`>.<`
`13:32.32`	`Mikk`	`Yeah, that was the data rate`
`13:32.40`	`Mikk`	`Latency measurements are laggy too but not on the same scale`
`13:32.55`	`eufemia`	`well, I'll just have to do some tests :)`
`13:33.20`	`Kevorkian`	`I hate that the server can't be bothered to give us a real timestamp`
`13:33.36`	`eufemia`	`idd`
`13:34.55`	`Kevorkian`	`I mean c'mon how hard can it be. It's not like the server isn't keeping track of time all the time for its own calcs`
`13:36.58`	`eufemia`	`its not hard to provide us with that, but the question is why isnt blizzard allowing us to have real sync function`
`13:38.35`	`Kevorkian`	`might be an overhead question. if they've got a bunch of addons asking for sync every .1 seconds I imagine that would create some extra lag in and of itself`
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`13:54.50`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/SuffixId <- i wonder how they figured those out :P`
`13:56.23`	`JoshBorke`	`heh, of Twain is in there`
`13:57.03`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`yeh`
`13:57.09`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`some are realy nice lol`
`13:57.26`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`like +91 Ranged Attack Power (im Hut@rd)`
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`14:02.32`	`cogwheel`	`~lart the forums`
`14:05.53`	`Mikk`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u: Just construct item links and look at what happens?`
`14:06.07`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`but that only work whn they are in your local chace ?`
`14:06.26`	`Mikk`	`"Hearthstone of Shadow Power" ftw!`
`14:06.44`	`Mikk`	`Only the base item needs to exist`
`14:06.59`	`eufemia`	`my friend got warning mark for linking 'false' items in the chat :\`
`14:07.14`	`eufemia`	`and 3hours ban...i think`
`14:09.27`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`lol omg`
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`14:12.33`	`Kirochi`	`Sup`
`14:14.23`	`eufemia`	`not much :(`
`14:14.25`	`Mikma`	`watchin' a game, havin' a bud`
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`14:15.49`	`Kirochi`	`Can I get some ?`
`14:15.50`	`Kirochi`	`:p`
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`14:31.10`	`Kevorkian`	`it's quiet`
`14:31.13`	`Kevorkian`	`......`
`14:31.16`	`Kevorkian`	`too quiet`
`14:32.06`	`TS\|Skrom`	`BLAH BLAH BLAH`
`14:32.33`	`Kevorkian`	`since I'm lazy, i'm going to ask (instead of looking my own fool self) if anybody has made a good little app/library to get mains/alts for a guild based on guild tags`
`14:33.21`	`eufemia`	`get it from where?`
`14:34.00`	`Kirkburn`	`I find it humourous how Microsoft are upstaging Sony so frequently now :Pm They're gonna release the HD-DVD addon on the same day as the PS3 release and they're going to update the Xbox 360 software to run at 1080p :P`
`14:35.04`	`Kevorkian`	`eufemia: the public notes`
`14:35.31`	`Kevorkian`	`well sony is sorta making it easy for basically anybody to upstage them`
`14:35.49`	`Kirkburn`	`It's worryingly easy, isn' it`
`14:36.04`	`Kevorkian`	`sony has blue ray on the brain, right now that's all they care about`
`14:36.19`	`Kevorkian`	`which ironically is why it is going to fail so spectacularly`
`14:36.41`	`Kirkburn`	`People will always go for the cheapest option, they always do`
`14:37.02`	`Kevorkian`	`indeed`
`14:37.34`	`Kevorkian`	`especially when the other option is mind bogglingly more expensive and doesn't even really work`
`14:38.44`	`Kevorkian`	`it'd be one thing if they were the only game in town, but that ain't so`
`14:38.54`	`Kirkburn`	`Especially with the Wii coming out`
`14:39.10`	`Kirkburn`	`On another topic - what's a good way to partition a hard drive`
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`14:40.03`	`nevcairiel`	`Get a system parition with windows and apps on ( ~ 20gigs ) and the remaining in one big for all the other stuff, like games or whatever`
`14:40.22`	`Kirkburn`	`Ah, you see, I want to partition it to dual boot Vista and XP`
`14:40.28`	`nevcairiel`	`ah.`
`14:40.35`	`nevcairiel`	`get 2 system paritions then :P`
`14:40.41`	`Kevorkian`	`I haven't done a console since I got burned on the SegaCD but even I think the Wii looks darn cool`
`14:40.47`	`nevcairiel`	`s/paritions/partitions/`
`14:41.31`	`Kirkburn`	`nevcairiel, what's a good tool to use?`
`14:42.13`	`nevcairiel`	`well, if there is data on the drive you cannot backup, use something like parition magic or so`
`14:42.22`	`nevcairiel`	`if its empty, windows tools are fine`
`14:42.24`	`Kevorkian`	`most linux distros come with handy free partition/boot managers`
`14:42.33`	`Kevorkian`	`check sourceforge`
`14:42.56`	`nevcairiel`	`or something like that, bootable busybox or something`
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`14:45.11`	`Kirochi`	`Would the Wii be powerful enought to support a simplified version of warcraft III ?`
`14:45.32`	`Kirkburn`	`Most certainly`
`14:45.58`	`Cide`	`likely a full scale version of it`
`14:46.13`	`Cide`	`though I wouldn't recommend some of the custom games that involve hundreds of units`
`14:46.26`	`Kirkburn`	`It probably could play WoW, if it wasn't so HD intensive`
`14:46.37`	`Kirochi`	`HD ?`
`14:46.54`	`Kirkburn`	`hard disk, always loading stuff from it`
`14:47.05`	`Kirkburn`	`Bit hard when it's a DVD`
`14:47.50`	`Kirochi`	`ok`
`14:48.24`	`Kevorkian`	`how much ram is the wii supposed to have?`
`14:48.37`	`Kirochi`	`and would blizz have to completely redo the game (i.e., for coding programs reasons) to make w3 available on Wii ?`
`14:48.58`	`Kevorkian`	`the UI fer sure, the back end probably only a little`
`14:49.38`	`Kirkburn`	`"Unknown amount of RAM, 512 MB built-in flash memory."`
`14:50.03`	`Kevorkian`	`so probably at least twice that non-flash`
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`14:50.40`	`Kevorkian`	`that'd probably be enough to load most of the textures you'd need`
`14:50.50`	`Kevorkian`	`and have a little room`
`14:51.18`	`Kevorkian`	`would take a while to start up though`
`14:52.09`	`Kevorkian`	`maybe they'd let you pre-load the textures into the flash, that way on start up you'd only be hit with the huge read the first time`
`14:53.51`	`Kirochi`	`:p`
`14:53.57`	`Kirochi`	`and how much would it cost ?`
`14:55.21`	`Kevorkian`	`one MILLION dollars!`
`14:59.41`	`Kirochi`	`Ok`
`15:00.07`	`Kirochi`	`no, seriously, do you have an idea ?`
`15:00.18`	`Kevorkian`	`nah, I'm pretty clueless generally speaking`
`15:04.40`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`i wonder how TBC item links gona look since they gona need to add the jewel info to it probely`
`15:05.05`	`Kevorkian`	`probably show up like the enchant/kit/temp buff info does`
`15:05.14`	`Kevorkian`	`or perhaps like the set pieces`
`15:06.09`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`i think it gets a new field`
`15:06.11`	`Kevorkian`	`probably more like the set pieces (Socket 1: Red Ruby of Flame - +10 fire resistance)`
`15:06.20`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`becase u can combine it whit an enchant`
`15:06.33`	`Kirkburn`	`Actually, it has about 100Mb of RAM`
`15:06.48`	`Kevorkian`	`that's all!?`
`15:07.03`	`Kevorkian`	`my grandmother has more ram than that and she doesn't even have a computer`
`15:07.04`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`but i think they will only add the +boneses to the item not the actuall jewels on it`
`15:07.07`	`Kirkburn`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wii#Technical_specifications`
`15:07.42`	`Kirkburn`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u, that would seem likely due to the number of combinations and their varyign effects`
`15:08.27`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`but still i wonder how they gona send 3 jewel efect at ones :p`
`15:08.46`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`maybe they make the size of a itme link dinamic`
`15:10.30`	`Beladona`	`it may be a subset, ie link:slot:slot`
`15:11.16`	`Beladona`	`I never looked to find out, but will jewels act like enchants? or can they be removed?`
`15:11.32`	`Kevorkian`	`removable, but not without breaking the gem`
`15:11.41`	`Beladona`	`same as enchant then`
`15:12.28`	`Kirkburn`	`yeah`
`15:13.05`	`zenzelezz`	`sounds like they've got some strong glue then`
`15:13.07`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`wow if u look at the jewelcraft exapmle in THB website u can jsut put in any gem u want`
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`15:13.39`	`Kirkburn`	`indeed`
`15:14.00`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`it sux when they break lol /o\`
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`15:22.29`	`cogwheel`	`~emulate cogwheel`
`15:22.31`	`purl`	`ACTION keel-hauls the forums. Yarrrrr!`
`15:22.51`	`cogwheel`	`purl, International Talk Like A Pirate Day was yesterday.`
`15:23.46`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`~emulate \|FF\|Im2good4u`
`15:23.59`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`haha perfect im donig nothing ~`
`15:27.08`	`Kevorkian`	`~emulate Kevorkian`
`15:27.21`	`Kevorkian`	`neither am I apparently`
`15:27.26`	`Kevorkian`	`purl, kinky`
`15:27.27`	`purl`	`from memory, kinky is something that would typically include a cat-o-nine tails and maybe a llama, whip cream, and a picture of David Hasslehoff`
`15:28.09`	`Kevorkian`	`purl, necrophilia`
`15:29.04`	`Kevorkian`	`~emulate kevorkian`
`15:29.21`	`Kevorkian`	`how is the bot set up with the emulate?`
`15:29.37`	`Beladona`	`~emulate Beladona`
`15:29.40`	`purl`	`ACTION wants a cookie`
`15:29.47`	`cogwheel`	`purl, emulate kevorkian is <action>rages against the machine`
`15:29.48`	`purl`	`okay, cogwheel`
`15:30.05`	`cogwheel`	`you can also do it in PMs to purl without the "purl," part`
`15:30.12`	`cogwheel`	`~emulate kevorkian`
`15:30.23`	`purl`	`ACTION rages against the machine`
`15:30.49`	`cogwheel`	`if you need to change it, you say:`
`15:30.53`	`Beladona`	`is there a manual on purl commands?`
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`15:31.08`	`cogwheel`	`purl, no emulate kevorkian is <action>doesn't rage against the machine`
`15:31.12`	`purl`	`cogwheel: okay`
`15:31.29`	`cogwheel`	`Beladona: i saw a faq somewhere while googling around....`
`15:31.40`	`Beladona`	`yeah, looking`
`15:31.49`	`cogwheel`	`took me a while to find though...`
`15:31.58`	`Beladona`	`purl, me?`
`15:31.59`	`purl`	`from memory, beladona is one of the moderators at wowinterface, and creator of http://wdn.wowinterface.com`
`15:32.04`	`Beladona`	`haha`
`15:32.14`	`cogwheel`	`purl, me?`
`15:32.17`	`Beladona`	`wasn't sure that would work`
`15:32.22`	`Beladona`	`its the same as doing ~Beladona`
`15:32.26`	`Beladona`	`for yourself`
`15:32.30`	`cogwheel`	`~cogwheel`
`15:32.35`	`Kirkburn`	`And where's 1.12.1 on wdn? ;)`
`15:32.43`	`Beladona`	`not there yet`
`15:32.45`	`Beladona`	`I have been lazy`
`15:32.46`	`cogwheel`	`purl, cogwheel is a gnome. 'nuff said.`
`15:32.47`	`purl`	`okay, cogwheel`
`15:32.49`	`Beladona`	`not much changed anyway`
`15:32.59`	`Kirkburn`	`Laziness is the best thing in the world :P`
`15:33.10`	`cogwheel`	`<.<`
`15:33.12`	`cogwheel`	`>.>`
`15:33.13`	`Beladona`	`and its not 1.12.1`
`15:33.15`	`Beladona`	`its 0.12.1`
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`15:33.18`	`Beladona`	`(test)`
`15:33.41`	`cogwheel`	`so, if BC will bump to 2.0, how do you think the PTRs will be numbered?`
`15:33.51`	`Beladona`	`good question`
`15:34.15`	`Kirkburn`	`A very good question`
`15:34.20`	`cogwheel`	`I was really hoping they'd keep incrementing the patch numbers until they actually came out with a brand new WoW...`
`15:34.22`	`Beladona`	`I never really liked the ptr numbering scheme anyway`
`15:34.29`	`Beladona`	`they should preface it with something`
`15:34.34`	`Beladona`	`like say, oh, ptr?`
`15:34.54`	`Kirkburn`	`dats kerazee man!`
`15:35.37`	`Beladona`	`I see them as builds anyway`
`15:35.42`	`Beladona`	`I ignore the version most times`
`15:35.49`	`Beladona`	`like 5595`
`15:35.53`	`Beladona`	`etc...`
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`15:36.12`	`Beladona`	`that tends to make more sense to me`
`15:36.53`	`Beladona`	`purl, status?`
`15:37.36`	`Beladona`	`0.o`
`15:37.52`	`cogwheel`	`~poke`
`15:38.06`	`cogwheel`	`~botslap`
`15:38.08`	`purl`	`Hey what was that for, cogwheel?`
`15:38.13`	`malreth`	`purl seems slow`
`15:38.17`	`Beladona`	`ooh, wonder if this works`
`15:38.22`	`cogwheel`	`he sure picked up on my botslap quick...`
`15:38.23`	`Beladona`	`purl, tell cogwheel about Beladona`
`15:38.37`	`cogwheel`	`lol`
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`15:38.44`	`Beladona`	`did you get a msg from purl cog?`
`15:38.47`	`cogwheel`	`yep`
`15:38.49`	`Beladona`	`hehe`
`15:38.54`	`Kevorkian`	`purl, tell Kevorkian about Beladona`
`15:39.03`	`[RTE]`	`hewwo`
`15:39.09`	`[RTE]`	`~seen amro`
`15:39.22`	`purl`	`amro <n=Amro@82.101.184.149> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 1d 15h 34m 48s ago, saying: 'good night'.`
`15:39.22`	`Beladona`	`it sends you one too, telling that he told that person`
`15:39.22`	`Beladona`	`lol`
`15:39.31`	`cogwheel`	`purl, status`
`15:39.31`	`purl`	`Since Wed Sep 6 15:38:15 2006, there have been 255 modifications, 2129 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 1577 commands. I have been awake for 14d 1m 16s this session, and currently reference 111624 factoids. I'm using about 18700 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 45966.31/3513.31 child 0.12/0.07`
`15:39.38`	`cogwheel`	`no ?`
`15:39.47`	`Beladona`	`wacky`
`15:39.53`	`Beladona`	`he doesn't like the ?`
`15:40.09`	`Beladona`	`what's up purl?`
`15:40.13`	`Kevorkian`	`purl, morons`
`15:40.15`	`purl`	`ACTION cluebats some morons over the head`
`15:40.24`	`Beladona`	`what's up, purl?`
`15:40.31`	`Beladona`	`what's up, purl`
`15:40.35`	`Kevorkian`	`purl, what's up?`
`15:40.36`	`purl`	`Up is the direction away from the central point of gravity.`
`15:40.36`	`Beladona`	`hmm`
`15:40.42`	`Beladona`	`try without the ?`
`15:40.45`	`Beladona`	`nm`
`15:40.56`	`Kevorkian`	`purl, singularity`
`15:41.12`	`AnduinLothar`	`~bored`
`15:41.13`	`purl`	`La ... lalalala ... beer!`
`15:41.33`	`Kevorkian`	`~insane`
`15:41.34`	`purl`	`somebody said insane was crazy, cuckoo, batty, wacky, nutters. Debian's bureaucracy, or sjansen`
`15:42.01`	`Kevorkian`	`~random`
`15:42.15`	`cogwheel`	`~jean luc picard`
`15:42.28`	`malreth`	`purl, babelfish jp en すごいです`
`15:42.41`	`malreth`	`~botsnack`
`15:42.42`	`purl`	`:), malreth`
`15:42.50`	`Kevorkian`	`is there a dictionary interface?`
`15:42.52`	`malreth`	`it is, is`
`15:42.54`	`Beladona`	`purl, clock?`
`15:42.56`	`purl`	`[clock] tikking rapidly agains 00:30, and somebody must get up in the morning... thanx for all the help. Goodnight!`
`15:43.07`	`Kevorkian`	`purl, dictionary syzygy`
`15:43.08`	`purl`	`see dict syzygy`
`15:43.18`	`Kevorkian`	`purl, dict syzygy`
`15:43.36`	`Kirkburn`	`purl's clock thing was weirdly spelt :/`
`15:43.44`	`Kevorkian`	`purl, dict abatis`
`15:44.05`	`malreth`	`Kevorkian knows some SAT words`
`15:44.37`	`Beladona`	`~emulate Beladona`
`15:44.39`	`purl`	`my head hurts from looking at code all day`
`15:44.43`	`Beladona`	`haha`
`15:44.47`	`Xuerian`	`lol`
`15:45.24`	`Kevorkian`	`purl, dict DDT`
`15:45.32`	`cogwheel`	`~emulate cogwheel`
`15:45.33`	`purl`	`ACTION Look... Lua... 5.1... makes... me... use... even more... elipses...`
`15:45.37`	`malreth`	`purl, babelfish en de Yes, that is a cat.`
`15:45.39`	`Kevorkian`	`dichloro diphenyl trichloro ethane`
`15:45.42`	`Beladona`	`ehy, how do I ask him to tell me what he currently has set for something`
`15:45.55`	`cogwheel`	`purl, literal emulate beladona`
`15:45.56`	`purl`	`"emulate beladona" is "<reply> my head hurts from looking at code all day \|\| <action> wants a cookie"`
`15:46.07`	`Beladona`	`thanks`
`15:46.29`	`Kevorkian`	`purl, dict 2 syzygy`
`15:46.52`	`cogwheel`	`~lart the forums`
`15:47.15`	`Kevorkian`	`purl, random 1 100`
`15:47.30`	`Kevorkian`	`~random 1 100`
`15:47.50`	`[RTE]`	`quit bugging the robot :)`
`15:47.51`	`JoshBorke`	`purl, literal random`
`15:48.07`	`JoshBorke`	`Cair isn't here, we can play all day ;-)`
`15:48.07`	`nevcairiel`	`~literal random`
`15:48.20`	`Kevorkian`	`~random`
`15:48.30`	`nevcairiel`	`now its broken.`
`15:48.32`	`cogwheel`	`some commands are built-in`
`15:49.01`	`JoshBorke`	`~literal literal`
`15:49.02`	`purl`	`"literal" is "<reply>(Passed\|Failed)"`
`15:49.08`	`malreth`	`~cookie`
`15:49.12`	`cogwheel`	`~literal`
`15:49.13`	`purl`	`Failed`
`15:49.19`	`JoshBorke`	`lol`
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`15:49.31`	`JoshBorke`	`purl, literal literal`
`15:49.32`	`purl`	`"literal" is "<reply>(Passed\|Failed)"`
`15:49.50`	`Kevorkian`	`~eat`
`15:50.08`	`JoshBorke`	`purl, no literal is 'Leave me alone you! I won't reveal my secrets!'`
`15:50.10`	`purl`	`JoshBorke: okay`
`15:50.14`	`JoshBorke`	`~literal`
`15:50.16`	`purl`	`hmm... literal is 'Leave me alone you! I won't reveal my secrets!'`
`15:50.22`	`nevcairiel`	`reply tag`
`15:50.23`	`nevcairiel`	`:)`
`15:50.26`	`JoshBorke`	`purl, no literal is '<reply>Leave me alone you! I won't reveal my secrets!'`
`15:50.27`	`purl`	`okay, JoshBorke`
`15:50.31`	`JoshBorke`	`~literal`
`15:50.32`	`purl`	`somebody said literal was '<reply>Leave me alone you! I won't reveal my secrets!'`
`15:50.37`	`cogwheel`	`no quotes`
`15:50.46`	`JoshBorke`	`purl, no literal is ''<reply>Leave me alone you! I won't reveal my secrets!`
`15:50.48`	`purl`	`okay, JoshBorke`
`15:50.50`	`JoshBorke`	`purl, no literal is <reply>Leave me alone you! I won't reveal my secrets!`
`15:50.51`	`purl`	`JoshBorke: okay`
`15:50.56`	`JoshBorke`	`~literal`
`15:50.57`	`purl`	`Leave me alone you! I won't reveal my secrets!`
`15:51.03`	`cogwheel`	`~smack joshborke`
`15:51.04`	`purl`	`ACTION smacks joshborke upside the head.`
`15:51.06`	`JoshBorke`	`~parry`
`15:51.37`	`JoshBorke`	`i think we lagged purl`
`15:51.57`	`Kirkburn`	`I remember a while back purl was over an hour behind`
`15:52.26`	`Kirkburn`	`purl would start chatting after everyone had left :P`
`15:52.44`	`Beladona`	`updated my emulate`
`15:52.47`	`Beladona`	`=P`
`15:53.29`	`Beladona`	`~emulate Beladona`
`15:53.30`	`purl`	`ACTION wants a cookie`
`15:53.36`	`Beladona`	`no not that one!`
`15:53.36`	`malreth`	`~cookie`
`15:53.41`	`Beladona`	`~emulate Beladona`
`15:53.42`	`purl`	`ACTION wants a cookie`
`15:53.46`	`malreth`	`haha`
`15:53.50`	`Beladona`	`oh for friggin sake`
`15:54.06`	`Beladona`	`~emulate Beladona`
`15:54.08`	`purl`	`my head hurts from looking at code all day`
`15:54.18`	`Beladona`	`not very random is he`
`15:54.31`	`Mikma`	`:D`
`15:54.35`	`cogwheel`	`~literal emulate beladona`
`15:54.36`	`purl`	`"emulate beladona" is "<reply> my head hurts from looking at code all day \|\| <action> wants a cookie"`
`15:54.36`	`cogwheel`	`:P`
`15:54.42`	`Beladona`	`he has like 6 things to choose form, and he picks the 2 he has always has`
`15:54.48`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge fathom (n=fathom@fruit.cas.utulsa.edu)`
`15:54.50`	`Beladona`	`had*`
`15:55.06`	`Beladona`	`um`
`15:55.10`	`Beladona`	`it didn't update?`
`15:55.12`	`cogwheel`	`looks like you didn't say "no"`
`15:55.12`	`Beladona`	`wtf`
`15:55.16`	`Beladona`	`I did`
`15:55.24`	`cogwheel`	`did he say "okay, beladona"`
`15:55.28`	`Beladona`	`yup`
`15:55.32`	`cogwheel`	`~botslap`
`15:55.34`	`purl`	`OUCH! That hurt, cogwheel!`
`15:56.16`	`TS\|Skrom`	`do all xml's have to be called from the toc?`
`15:56.46`	`malreth`	`TS\|Skrom: no... you can also include them from other XML files`
`15:57.03`	`Beladona`	`!emulate Beladona`
`15:57.06`	`Beladona`	`oops`
`15:57.07`	`TS\|Skrom`	`what's the command for that? not <Script file=> apparently lol`
`15:57.10`	`Beladona`	`~emulate Beladona`
`15:57.12`	`purl`	`my head hurts from listening to your mindless ramblings!`
`15:57.17`	`malreth`	`~beer`
`15:57.18`	`purl`	`ACTION has disconnected (Read error: 99 (Connection reset by beer))`
`15:57.23`	`cogwheel`	`<Include file=/> iirc...`
`15:57.29`	`Xuerian`	`..`
`15:57.33`	`Beladona`	`~emulate Beladona`
`15:57.35`	`purl`	`my head hurts from listening to your mindless ramblings!`
`15:57.39`	`Beladona`	`nono~`
`15:57.46`	`Kirkburn`	`haha`
`15:57.55`	`Xuerian`	`The truth comes out! XD`
`15:58.02`	`Beladona`	`someone needs to upgrade his ai`
`15:58.11`	`Beladona`	`as in, if I said it already, try choosing a different one`
`15:58.13`	`cogwheel`	`purl, purl`
`15:58.24`	`purl`	`i heard purl is not one of the smart ones`
`15:58.24`	`Beladona`	`bastige`
`15:58.31`	`cogwheel`	`lol`
`15:58.45`	`malreth`	`~nickometer cogwheel`
`15:58.45`	`cogwheel`	`apparently he agrees with you, Beladona`
`15:58.59`	`cogwheel`	`~nickometer malreth`
`15:59.06`	`malreth`	`woot!`
`15:59.09`	`cogwheel`	`~nickometer \|FF\|Im2good4u`
`15:59.15`	`malreth`	`hahahah!`
`15:59.41`	`[RTE]`	`~nickometer cogweel`
`15:59.45`	`cogwheel`	`I didn't say it... purl did.... <.< >.>`
`16:00.01`	`[RTE]`	`~nickometer [rte]`
`16:00.04`	`Beladona`	`~nickometer Beladona`
`16:00.18`	`cogwheel`	`~nickometer End`
`16:00.23`	`Beladona`	`~emulate Beladona`
`16:00.24`	`purl`	`these are not the developers you are looking for waves hand`
`16:00.24`	`[RTE]`	`damn you purl`
`16:00.34`	`Beladona`	`finally, another one`
`16:00.52`	`cogwheel`	`~nickometer TS\|Skrom`
`16:01.01`	`cogwheel`	`I think the symbols play a part`
`16:01.08`	`Kirkburn`	`~emulate Kirkburn`
`16:01.09`	`purl`	`That sounded more normal in my head ...`
`16:01.29`	`cogwheel2`	`~nickometer cogwheel2`
`16:01.55`	`cogwheel\|`	`~nickometer cogwheel\|`
`16:02.10`	`Beladona`	`~nickometer 733t4joo`
`16:02.12`	`Kirkburn`	`Um, why are you changing your name each time?`
`16:02.19`	`Beladona`	`yeah you don't need to`
`16:02.26`	`cogwheel\|`	`lol...`
`16:02.34`	`cogwheel\|`	`~slap cogwheel\|`
`16:02.35`	`purl`	`ACTION slaps cogwheel\|, keep your grubby fingers to yourself!`
`16:02.37`	`Beladona`	`52!, I win!`
`16:03.01`	`Beladona`	`~nickometer 733t\|\|4\|\|j00`
`16:03.06`	`Beladona`	`ooh`
`16:03.09`	`cogwheel`	`hehe`
`16:03.15`	`Kirkburn`	`Lol, I'm uninstalling some stuff from my other PC in anticipation of installing Vista ... apparently NFSU 2 was last used on "15/02/2069"`
`16:03.16`	`Beladona`	`kerpow!`
`16:03.18`	`cogwheel`	`btw: \|FF\|Im2good4u beat your last one`
`16:03.41`	`Beladona`	`oh yeah missed that`
`16:03.48`	`TS\|Skrom`	`Okay I have a quandry..`
`16:04.02`	`Beladona`	`monkeys!`
`16:04.25`	`TS\|Skrom`	`I defined a function in a file called from xml file "a"... when is that function available to a OnEvent (Variables Loaded) function in a file called by xml file "c"?`
`16:04.36`	`cogwheel`	`http://www.adamspiers.org/computing/nickometer/nickometer.pl`
`16:05.13`	`malreth`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/UI_Code_Load_Order`
`16:05.15`	`cogwheel`	`TS\|Skrom, as soon as the file is loaded, its functions are available`
`16:05.23`	`Beladona`	`depends, was a loaded by your toc before c?`
`16:05.49`	`Beladona`	`load order matters, otherwise immediately`
`16:06.22`	`TS\|Skrom`	`that's why I asked about loading an xml form another xml.. I figured I had a load order problem :(`
`16:06.41`	`cogwheel`	`malreth speaks the truth ;)`
`16:06.43`	`TS\|Skrom`	`my toc loads one xml... which loads lua 1-5 then xml 1-2`
`16:06.52`	`malreth`	`malreth is always right`
`16:06.59`	`TS\|Skrom`	`xml 2 has the function trying to call lua 4's function`
`16:07.49`	`malreth`	`if that is the case, functions from lua 4 will be available to lua 5 and xmls 1 and 2`
`16:08.29`	`Beladona`	`yup`
`16:08.30`	`cogwheel`	`and if you're finding that it's not working, then you've got a typo somewhere...`
`16:08.52`	`cogwheel`	`could be the name of the lua, the name of the function, really any number of things`
`16:08.59`	`malreth`	`also, global function calls are resolved at the time that they are called`
`16:08.59`	`Beladona`	`are your files in subdirectories?`
`16:09.06`	`Beladona`	`the ones being loaded by those xml files I mean`
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`16:09.22`	`Beladona`	`loading from xml has some funniness when using subdirectories`
`16:09.30`	`Beladona`	`loading from toc seems easier to me`
`16:10.02`	`malreth`	`true... it's easier if you just do all of your loading from the .toc`
`16:10.35`	`malreth`	`you'll be sure of the order and it's easier for people to follow if they're reading your code`
`16:11.36`	`TS\|Skrom`	`http://wowi.pastey.net/976`
`16:11.48`	`TS\|Skrom`	`oh did I forget to mention that after a /reload it works fine?`
`16:11.59`	`TS\|Skrom`	`this only happens on the first load`
`16:14.13`	`cogwheel`	`that sounds more like you're trying to do something before the game is ready (variables_loaded, etc...)`
`16:14.14`	`Beladona`	`you are loading Localization.lua twice`
`16:14.17`	`Beladona`	`did you know that?`
`16:14.34`	`TS\|Skrom`	`thatfinal statement is at the end of if (event == "VARIABLES_LOADED")`
`16:15.01`	`TS\|Skrom`	`Beladona I did know that... because when I only loaded it once... a variable inside wasn't available to that xml it seemed`
`16:15.03`	`JoshBorke`	`aASNTUHOESNUTHONTHDOYRCG<FD>PYNTHDOEUINSTHOEIDSNTH<>PYRLCGOEISNTDOEUNSTH>PYSNTDOEINSTHOEU`
`16:15.11`	`Beladona`	`weird`
`16:15.15`	`cogwheel`	`~lart JoshBorke`
`16:15.20`	`Beladona`	`I would still heavily recommend loading them all via toc`
`16:15.27`	`Beladona`	`less "weirdness" that way`
`16:15.31`	`TS\|Skrom`	`can you load script files via toc?`
`16:15.35`	`Beladona`	`yeah`
`16:15.37`	`Beladona`	`lua, xml`
`16:15.39`	`malreth`	`you can load anything in your toc`
`16:15.40`	`TS\|Skrom`	`oh okay I will try that`
`16:15.49`	`malreth`	`ANYTHING!`
`16:15.57`	`TS\|Skrom`	`the tutorial I followed at the very beginning showed xml in toc and lua in xml`
`16:15.58`	`TS\|Skrom`	`will try that`
`16:16.15`	`malreth`	`a lot of tutorials are out of date`
`16:16.19`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Kaso (n=Jonathan@host81-159-131-7.range81-159.btcentralplus.com)`
`16:16.19`	`Beladona`	`lua, xml, cute little ascii files depicting a hadn flicking you off - yeah anything`
`16:16.19`	`malreth`	`and were written back in the 1.4 days`
`16:16.21`	`Beladona`	`oh`
`16:16.30`	`cogwheel`	`This guys just itching for a darwin award: http://boortz.com/more/funny/redneck_pics_carjack3.html`
`16:16.37`	`cogwheel`	`s/ys/y's/`
`16:16.38`	`Beladona`	`yeah, before that patch you couldn't load lua via toc`
`16:16.50`	`Mikk`	`cogwheel: Or an autofellatio?`
`16:16.59`	`Beladona`	`omg cogwheel`
`16:17.21`	`Beladona`	`see now, I would be hard pressed not to come by and kick the wood beams out if I saw that in RL`
`16:17.32`	`Beladona`	`you know, clean up the gene pool a little`
`16:17.52`	`Mikk`	`What _I_ want to know is how the hell he got the car up in that angle in the first place`
`16:18.02`	`Beladona`	`had help`
`16:18.05`	`Mikk`	`duh`
`16:18.11`	`TS\|Skrom`	`now let me make sure I got this right... if I'm loading it all through the toc I need to load the lua's that containt the "OnLoad" functions before I load the xml's that call them, yes?`
`16:18.12`	`Mikk`	`If there's one redneck, there's many`
`16:18.25`	`Beladona`	`yes`
`16:18.26`	`Mikk`	`TS\|Skrom: Yes`
`16:18.48`	`Mikk`	`Generally speaking though, OnLoads aren't really necessary`
`16:19.00`	`Beladona`	`agreed`
`16:19.08`	`Mikk`	`They're useful for object initialization for little templates and stuff`
`16:19.11`	`Beladona`	`unless it is something that frame specifically needs`
`16:19.25`	`Mikk`	`But if we're talking about "get the addon running".... just put direct code in your last Lua file`
`16:19.51`	`TS\|Skrom`	`Oh okay that makes sense, will look at my stuff to see if that applies hehe`
`16:19.51`	`Beladona`	`I do have a weird error that I could use help troubleshooting. But I can't reproduce the error myself`
`16:20.15`	`Beladona`	`that I think has to do with data not being available early enough`
`16:21.47`	`Beladona`	`only ONE person has ever told me about this error. One sec while I get a screenshot up`
`16:21.58`	`Mikk`	`Though granted, I'm not 100% certain my code load order is the same as WoW's :<`
`16:22.09`	`Kirkburn`	`Lol, cogwheel's linked site is awesome: http://boortz.com/more/funny/redneck_pics_flatscreentv.html`
`16:22.11`	`Mikk`	`I tried using the documented load order on the wiki, but FrameXML barfed out on me`
`16:22.25`	`Mikk`	`I ended up loading all files in the .toc first, and THEN firing the onload events.`
`16:23.14`	`*** part/#wowi-lounge tyroney\|work (n=tyroney@66.239.241.162.ptr.us.xo.net)`
`16:23.59`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`is it posable to send an \|H\|h\|h in a SendChatMessage() ?`
`16:24.04`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge tyroney\|work (n=tyroney@66.239.241.162.ptr.us.xo.net)`
`16:24.08`	`Mikk`	`yes`
`16:24.11`	`Mikk`	`that's an item link`
`16:24.19`	`cogwheel`	`yes, but they are only sent through certain channels`
`16:24.29`	`Beladona`	`ok look at this addon: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4396`
`16:24.29`	`Beladona`	`then look at this screenshot: http://0ctavius.com/images/durabar.jpg`
`16:24.30`	`cogwheel`	`guild, party, say, yell, trade...`
`16:24.32`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`i get an ivalid escape code in chat error :( i tryed GUILD`
`16:24.37`	`Mikk`	`http://boortz.com/more/funny/redneck_pics_jacuzzi.html <- that looks like a triple honorary darwin award in the works`
`16:24.38`	`Beladona`	`ideas?`
`16:25.02`	`Kirkburn`	`christ almighty, that's stupid`
`16:25.25`	`cogwheel`	`only thing i can think of is if the right anchor of the bar texture somehow got set to the UIParent`
`16:25.52`	`Beladona`	`tahts the thing though, the frame around it doesn't show as being anchored`
`16:25.59`	`Beladona`	`only the status bar`
`16:26.12`	`cogwheel`	`that would be really hard to fix without being able to reproduce it :\`
`16:26.16`	`Beladona`	`aye`
`16:26.40`	`tyroney\|work`	`maybe there's some reference to that status bar that wasn't properly localified, and someone out there borrowed it.`
`16:27.01`	`Beladona`	`unlikely`
`16:27.07`	`Mikk`	`it smells a bit like load order or something, yeah`
`16:27.10`	`Beladona`	`all my localizations and such are nested in tablsd`
`16:27.13`	`Beladona`	`tables`
`16:27.20`	`Beladona`	`the likelihood of it conflicting is slim`
`16:27.37`	`Beladona`	`not to mention, I made him unload ALL ADDONS, and delete wtf, wdb directories, then run it`
`16:27.39`	`Mikk`	`like... the bar texture gets SetPoint()ed when the frame doesn't exist`
`16:27.41`	`Beladona`	`and he said he still got the same thing`
`16:27.45`	`Mikk`	`Uh`
`16:27.51`	`Mikk`	`Wow`
`16:28.02`	`cogwheel`	`hmm... that might be a video card issue then?`
`16:28.09`	`tyroney\|work`	`Wait, in that shot, what is the bar at?`
`16:28.24`	`Mikk`	`Then again... who knows if he actually did what he said he did.`
`16:28.27`	`cogwheel`	`i've had some pretty strange glitches from overheating (i now play with my case open)`
`16:28.33`	`Mikk`	`People like to lie about things like that.`
`16:28.53`	`Kevorkian`	`cogwheel: heh, I haven't had the side on my case in years`
`16:28.56`	`cogwheel`	`sad but true`
`16:28.59`	`tyroney\|work`	`cogwheel: my dusty boards feel your pain`
`16:29.10`	`Mikk`	`I got sick of running out to people with network problems when I was working support. Tell them "please make sure that your network cable is properly plugged-in first"... and they just sit quiet for a while, and say "yeah ok I've checked. It still doesn't work"`
`16:29.29`	`Mikk`	`I ended up asking them if the plugs were silver or gold plated in the end.`
`16:29.31`	`malreth`	`Mikk! I SOOOOOOOOOOOO know what you mean`
`16:29.32`	`Beladona`	`that doesn't look like a graphics card glitch though`
`16:29.38`	`Mikk`	`Cause then they had to unplug them and plug them back in again.`
`16:29.38`	`Beladona`	`and yeah, I agree Mikk`
`16:29.46`	`Mikk`	`And whaddayaknow.. Shit tended to start working.`
`16:30.04`	`malreth`	`Mikk i did the same thing... I'd ask them to blow on the ends of the cables. it forced them to replug their cords`
`16:30.09`	`Mikk`	`haha'`
`16:30.14`	`Beladona`	`I get that a lot here at work`
`16:30.32`	`cogwheel`	`it certainly looks like he doesn't have any other mods running...`
`16:30.34`	`Beladona`	`people think I am magical when I can walk into their room, do somethign for about 5 seconds, and poof it works`
`16:30.50`	`cogwheel`	`Beladona: i deal with that all day...`
`16:30.51`	`Beladona`	`although in all honesty, things tend to work when I am around, for no reason`
`16:30.56`	`tyroney\|work`	`I ask about what the bar is at, because I see what looks like two bars. Unless bars have backgrounds that I'm not aware of.`
`16:30.59`	`Beladona`	`like I have a "work damn you!" aura`
`16:31.07`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`i should make a wow poker so u can play poker whit wow money :p`
`16:31.08`	`Mery`	`beladona ask him to /dump the anchors?`
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`16:31.15`	`Mikk`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u: That's against TOS.`
`16:31.22`	`malreth`	`the other one i'd get are people using telephone cords for network cables`
`16:31.30`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`T O S ???? ??? ?? ?`
`16:31.30`	`Beladona`	`HAH`
`16:31.53`	`cogwheel`	`"but it FIT when i plugged it in!"`
`16:32.24`	`malreth`	`"Did you get an ethernet cord?"`
`16:32.26`	`Mikk`	`malreth: I had that once. Back when we were running hubbed. A whole floor had crap connectivity. After several days, I found a long phone cord extension running between two offices where someone thought they needed an extra computer.`
`16:32.35`	`malreth`	`"I used the cable that came with the computer."`
`16:32.37`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`is there a list of things there arent allowed >`
`16:32.38`	`Mikk`	`Replace crap cable with cat5 cable.. Tadaa. Floor starts working again.`
`16:32.53`	`zenzelezz`	`you agree to it after every patch`
`16:33.10`	`malreth`	`I'd ask them to count the number of metal prongs on the end`
`16:33.27`	`malreth`	`"uh... there are 4"`
`16:33.33`	`tyroney\|work`	`have them tell you the order of the wires inside the cable.`
`16:34.02`	`malreth`	`tyroney\|work: remember... these people were sorority girls and the like`
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`16:34.26`	`tyroney\|work`	`;)`
`16:34.29`	`cogwheel`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u: they banned gambling a looooong time ago. I don't know if it's specifically recorded anywhere, but i think it falls under their griefing policy`
`16:34.30`	`malreth`	`they'd say something like, "what wires inside the cable? there's one wire and it's gray"`
`16:34.59`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`ah suxors ol :p`
`16:35.16`	`Beladona`	`ooh, ok, managed to reproduce it finally`
`16:35.23`	`Beladona`	`BUT`
`16:35.28`	`Beladona`	`after a reloadUI its fine`
`16:35.35`	`Beladona`	`so sounds like something not getting set at load time`
`16:36.14`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`yeh that i i shoulmd make a hidden code in my all my addons to automagicly trade me 50s when im near some1 that has it installed !`
`16:37.23`	`tyroney\|work`	`Make the amount dependant on level. Most under 20 who'd be dumb enough to install it wouldn't have 50 silver.`
`16:37.56`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`well thne i let them go away whitout rading :p`
`16:38.25`	`Beladona`	`that doesn't make sense though, all the other bars get created the EXACT same way, but only that one bar does this`
`16:38.25`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`just basicly i think wow ui can allow this crap not that im realy gona do it`
`16:38.46`	`zenzelezz`	`http://www.gucomics.com/archives/view.php?cdate=20050221 -- WoW gambling`
`16:39.36`	`TS\|Skrom`	`is it possible that first load (like you just started the program ) is different from /reload load order?`
`16:40.20`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`it is`
`16:40.37`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`if u loo kat wow wiki''`
`16:41.34`	`malreth`	`later all`
`16:41.39`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`byew`
`16:42.09`	`tyroney\|work`	`Beladona: ps: which bar is it that freaks out?`
`16:43.25`	`Kirkburn`	`Greatm now my dekstop's DVD drive has stopped working :/`
`16:44.36`	`Kirkburn`	`I take that back! It's back in action :D`
`16:44.48`	`cogwheel`	`TS\|Skrom: In a sense, yes... there are a lot of data that aren't available on first load until after certain events... http://www.wowwiki.com/Events_that_fire_during_the_Loading_Process`
`16:45.00`	`Kirkburn`	`And I'm left going "wtf", since it wouldn't spin up 3 seconds ago`
`16:45.22`	`TS\|Skrom`	`but VARIABLES_LOADED is the catch all, "wait" command right?`
`16:46.23`	`cogwheel`	`Check the page i just linked...`
`16:46.43`	`cogwheel`	`there are certain pieces of information still missing after that event`
`16:47.12`	`TS\|Skrom`	`hrm... okay but that still doesn't explain why during VARIABLES_LOADED... a function from a previous file is returning nil`
`16:47.26`	`TS\|Skrom`	`as in the function isn't even found`
`16:47.30`	`cogwheel`	`spelling?`
`16:47.55`	`TS\|Skrom`	`it works fine after /reload`
`16:48.23`	`cogwheel`	`TS\|Skrom: what's your addon do again?`
`16:48.33`	`TS\|Skrom`	`http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/wow/addons-4987-1-skroms-heal-help.html`
`16:48.35`	`TS\|Skrom`	`healbot`
`16:48.57`	`cogwheel`	`does it scan the spell book in any way?`
`16:49.11`	`TS\|Skrom`	`><`
`16:49.13`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`guys in sending an item link :p but it wont show up in guild chat only the text around the link shows up.. is there a commen reason for that ?`
`16:49.16`	`TS\|Skrom`	`okay now I see what you are getting at`
`16:49.37`	`TS\|Skrom`	`the variable was there... but the function was scanning the spells`
`16:49.38`	`tyroney\|work`	`maybe UnitXP() and UnitXPMax() GetXPExhaustion() aren't always ready when you first fire up.`
`16:49.51`	`TS\|Skrom`	`I was thinking there was a problem with my variable not being there, but that wasn't the problem ><`
`16:50.37`	`cogwheel`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u: your link wasn't properly formed`
`16:51.51`	`cogwheel`	`TS\|Skrom: in fact, SPELLS_CHANGED is probably the best event to use anyway since it's fired when learning new ranks`
`16:51.55`	`\|FF\|Im2good4u`	`well when i print it out to myzelf it looks fine and i can click on it but whne it arives in GUILD channel its gone :('`
`16:52.00`	`Kevorkian`	`is there a simple and reliable way to determine the current load on the system?`
`16:52.03`	`TS\|Skrom`	`now that I think about it, I'm having the same problem with something that rely's on scanning of talents, that the same event?`
`16:52.16`	`cogwheel`	`Kevorkian: task manager`
`16:52.23`	`Kevorkian`	`from in game :)`
`16:52.29`	`cogwheel`	`dual-monitor ;)`
`16:52.44`	`cogwheel`	`or run in windowed mode and have the task manager up ;)`
`16:52.47`	`tyroney\|work`	`ooh, ooh, Nullsoft beep! it hums when your computer is working hard.`
`16:53.07`	`cogwheel`	`only thing you can get in-game is FPS, network latency, and UI memory usage`
`16:53.20`	`TS\|Skrom`	`nm`
`16:53.22`	`cogwheel`	`TS\|Skrom: CTRL-F ... talent`
`16:53.33`	`TS\|Skrom`	`I see it now, PLAYER_ALIVE is talents`
`16:54.08`	`Beladona`	`Hackeysac23`
`16:54.15`	`Kirkburn`	`Partitioning is scary :P`
`16:54.17`	`Kevorkian`	`cogwheel: thinking more in terms of me having an application that doesn't require real time. I can adjust my processing by increasing the amount of time between intervals where I process my queued items but I was wondering if there's a way to determine if its necessary. I was thinking that I'd just do interval * 4 for raid or interval * 2 for non-raid zoning into an instance`
`16:54.29`	`Beladona`	`hey Kirkburn, you dual booting?`
`16:54.34`	`Kirkburn`	`About to, yeah`
`16:54.38`	`Beladona`	`xp and vista?`
`16:54.41`	`Kirkburn`	`Yup`
`16:54.47`	`Beladona`	`lemme know how ti goes`
`16:54.49`	`Beladona`	`it*`
`16:55.03`	`Kirkburn`	`PartitionMagic is currently making the 75 gig Vista drive :)`
`16:55.04`	`Beladona`	`I was running them separately, but was considering the dual boot`
`16:55.08`	`Kevorkian`	`hmm, FPS and memory usage is handy`
`16:55.11`	`cogwheel`	`Kevorkian: i suppose the best you could do is framerate...`
`16:55.49`	`tyroney\|work`	`Kevorkian: check how long it takes you to run through your current run?`
`16:55.51`	`Kirkburn`	`It may take a while, a fair amount of files to move`
`16:55.54`	`cogwheel`	`Kevorkian: though you'd probably a user-controlled setting since framerates vary greatly between systems.`
`16:56.10`	`cogwheel`	`s/y a/y want a/`
`16:56.42`	`Beladona`	`oh wow`
`16:56.49`	`Beladona`	`ok guys, here is something interesting`
`16:56.52`	`Beladona`	`not sure I can fix it either`
`16:57.08`	`Beladona`	`that weird status bar thing?`
`16:57.10`	`Kevorkian`	`cogwheel: well, I'm not anticipating lots of activity, but in theory you could have a lot of messaging occur in a short period, I just want to try to avoid it when there's potentially a lot going on`
`16:57.12`	`Beladona`	`a) only happens on first load`
`16:57.20`	`Beladona`	`b) can be reproduced by deleting wdb`
`16:57.24`	`Beladona`	`wtf doesn't affect it`
`16:57.51`	`Beladona`	`not that status bar is the durability bar. Makes me wonder if it has something to do with scanning inventory tooltips`
`16:58.44`	`TS\|Skrom`	`duh, have to register for an event before you can use it ><`
`16:59.28`	`tyroney\|work`	`Beladona: spew forth all the _relevant_ durability data as it's processed on first load?`
`16:59.54`	`cogwheel`	`Kevorkian: hmm... maybe keep a couple running averages of "elapsed" times in your OnUpdate handler. One long-term, one short-term. when the short-term one is some percentage larger than the long-term one, increase your processing interval`
`17:00.09`	`Beladona`	`I am registered for VARIABLES_LOADED, PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD, and UPDATE_INVENTORY_ALERTS`
`17:00.18`	`Beladona`	`maybe I should only do the last`
`17:00.58`	`Beladona`	`it scans inventory slots for tooltip data on each of those events`
`17:01.02`	`Kevorkian`	`cogwheel: nice, that'd work`
`17:01.26`	`Tem\|Sleep`	`Beladona, you should take a look at SpecialEvents`
`17:01.40`	`Tem`	`that way you can let it decide when you actually need to scan`
`17:01.56`	`Beladona`	`the thing I don't understand is that it only happens when you delete the wdb folder. Which means it is rebuilding your item cache, which may be why it doesn't set the bar value correctly`
`17:02.16`	`cogwheel`	`Kevorkian: be careful how you implement it though... just computing the averages could potentially be pretty expensive.`
`17:02.27`	`Tem`	`oh, when you haven't seen an item yet, the tooltip is all screwy at first`
`17:02.39`	`Kevorkian`	`cogwheel: how so?`
`17:02.45`	`Beladona`	`yeah, but it is getting SOMETHING`
`17:02.47`	`Tem`	`use the tooltip's OnSizeChanged event to see when it changes`
`17:02.56`	`Beladona`	`it sets the value to something higher than 100%`
`17:02.57`	`Tem`	`yeah, it sorta comes in a little at a time`
`17:03.14`	`Kevorkian`	`beladona: the user that is reporting the error, do you know if they delete their wtb regularly?`
`17:03.23`	`Beladona`	`not sure`
`17:03.28`	`Beladona`	`sounds like they do`
`17:03.36`	`Beladona`	`the funny thing is`
`17:03.37`	`cogwheel`	`Kevorkian: well, you'd need to keep a table of the last n elapsed times, and then cycle through all of them each time to compute the averages...`
`17:03.41`	`Beladona`	`it goes away if you sit there for a while`
`17:03.42`	`Tem`	`if GetItemInfo returns a value, then the tooltip will be instant`
`17:03.49`	`Beladona`	`it just fixes itself in-game, without relaoding`
`17:03.58`	`Beladona`	`I assume after the items are done caching`
`17:04.34`	`Tem`	`Beladona, I sorta showed up midway... what's the problem?`
`17:04.36`	`Beladona`	`makes me wonder if I should just leave it be. People will rarely see it.`
`17:04.45`	`Beladona`	`and it is self-repairing`
`17:04.47`	`cogwheel`	`Kevorkian: maybe you could have an interval specified for the actual computation and then only do a table.insert and table.remove during every OnUpdate`
`17:04.53`	`TS\|Skrom`	`cogwheel and others: thanks for the help, changing which event it listened for fixed the problem that I thought was a load problem, loading events page bookmarked for future reference`
`17:05.08`	`Kevorkian`	`cogwheel: I may just put the queue processing routine. and use a circular array dealy`
`17:05.35`	`Beladona`	`Tem: I made a status bar that shows your current durability. The problem is that if you load the game up after deleting your wdb folder, the status bar gets the wrong durability info, and sets itself to something higher than 100%`
`17:05.39`	`cogwheel`	`TS\|Skrom: glad we could help :)`
`17:05.41`	`Beladona`	`until the items are done caching`
`17:05.46`	`cogwheel`	`Kevorkian: sounds good`
`17:05.50`	`Beladona`	`after which it fixes itself back down to the correct value`
`17:06.03`	`Tem`	`hmm`
`17:06.10`	`Beladona`	`but during that time you get this: http://0ctavius.com/images/durabar.jpg`
`17:06.22`	`Tem`	`neat`
`17:06.22`	`cogwheel`	`Beladona: that's one fascinating bug`
`17:06.32`	`Beladona`	`after like 2 minuts (when items finish caching) it goes back to normal, without you needing to reload the ui or anything`
`17:06.38`	`Tem`	`for starters, you can cap the bar`
`17:06.41`	`TS\|Skrom`	`cogwheel you asked what the addon does, and prolly don't see directly where this all fit: yesterday I made a minimap button who's texture changes based on what spell is set as "secondary clickcasting" mode, I was having a problem getting the texture to show on load though`
`17:06.45`	`Beladona`	`how?`
`17:06.49`	`Beladona`	`I set min max values`
`17:07.13`	`Tem`	`have you been able to reproduce it or is that just a user's SS?`
`17:07.25`	`Beladona`	`I can reproduce it by deleting the wdb`
`17:07.31`	`Beladona`	`wtf doesn't matter`
`17:07.41`	`Beladona`	`it seems specific to the item cache`
`17:07.43`	`cogwheel`	`TS\|Skrom: gotcha... As soon as i saw it was a spell-casting mod, i had a suspicion that it was related to the SPELLS_CHANGED event`
`17:07.52`	`TS\|Skrom`	`hehe`
`17:08.32`	`Beladona`	`try downloading it, and run it with no other addons. Delete your wdb. You will see what I mean`
`17:08.40`	`Tem`	`so put in debug messages to see what you're setting the bar to in thos conditions`
`17:08.42`	`Beladona`	`make sure you let it sit for a few minutes, and watch as it returns to normal too`
`17:08.53`	`Tem`	`and see if its really setting the bar to more than 100`
`17:09.00`	`Beladona`	`yeah doing that now`
`17:09.18`	`Beladona`	`also /dump'ing the frame data`
`17:10.28`	`Beladona`	`ok thats even weirder`
`17:10.50`	`Beladona`	`the value being returned is -1.$IND`
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`17:10.57`	`Beladona`	`-1.#IND I mean`
`17:11.02`	`Beladona`	`whatever the hell that is`
`17:11.22`	`Kevorkian`	`divide by zero`
`17:11.36`	`malreth`	`I love lab refits... I get to spend $20,000 of someone else's money and I get to play with new computer hardware`
`17:12.32`	`Kevorkian`	`I think that can also be sqrt(-1)`
`17:12.33`	`Beladona`	`so I need to do a check to make sure the values are within the ranges I want, and spit out 0 otherwise`
`17:13.01`	`Kevorkian`	`just denominators`
`17:13.16`	`Kevorkian`	`you can divide zero by anything, just not anything by zero`
`17:13.29`	`Beladona`	`yeah I know`
`17:13.39`	`Beladona`	`I did fairly well in math`
`17:13.41`	`Beladona`	`=P`
`17:13.44`	`malreth`	`prove it`
`17:15.23`	`cogwheel`	`Heh.. the junior college i went to was doing trials of new entrance tests... they sat us in front of computers to do math problems. Once you got a certain percentage of the questions wrong, the test would end... my friend and i had to quit manually so we could get to our next class... XD`
`17:15.24`	`malreth`	`wb, Iriel`
`17:15.33`	`Iriel`	`morning`
`17:15.45`	`TS\|Skrom`	`okay so I set PLAYER_ALIVE as my event to listen for so now on a reload it doens't do THAT part lol`
`17:15.52`	`TS\|Skrom`	`hrm...`
`17:16.36`	`cogwheel`	`TS\|Skrom: you could just have it do that process for PLAYER_ALIVE and whatever you were using before...`
`17:16.50`	`cogwheel`	`TS\|Skrom: it would be slightly redundant on the first load, but it would work just fine...`
`17:17.03`	`TS\|Skrom`	`that particular process creates my dynamic frames... wouldn't I essentially double the frames on first load?`
`17:17.10`	`cogwheel`	`oh...`
`17:17.32`	`cogwheel`	`well, you should probably make it so it'll adapt to new talents when you ding...`
`17:17.40`	`cogwheel`	`so you might want to make it a bit more generalized`
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`17:18.01`	`malreth`	`bah, wowwiki is slow`
`17:18.17`	`cogwheel`	`i think every wow-related site is slow while the forums are down`
`17:18.18`	`jaxdahl`	`it is.`
`17:18.33`	`malreth`	`yeah... the new blizzard forums are great!`
`17:18.42`	`malreth`	`they've increased my productivity at work`
`17:18.52`	`malreth`	`by virtue of being... oh... not there`
`17:19.16`	`cogwheel`	`TS\|Skrom: i.e. you should check to see if frames have already been created and reuse them. Then you can fire your startup code whenever you please`
`17:19.56`	`TS\|Skrom`	`hrm interesting idea`
`17:20.07`	`zenzelezz`	`bring us back some Wrath Lego`
`17:20.26`	`TS\|Skrom`	`I suppose... if(FrameName:IsVisible()) would be a sufficient check?`
`17:20.36`	`Kirkburn`	`Wasn't me, I wasn't near a computer when the wiki went down! :P`
`17:20.39`	`cogwheel`	`if FrameName would be sufficient`
`17:20.40`	`jaxdahl`	`i wish i could hide users while looking through the upload log`
`17:20.50`	`Beladona`	`stupid question. How do I check if a value is a number and not a string?`
`17:20.50`	`jaxdahl`	`i'm trying to find 'suspicious' images`
`17:20.58`	`jaxdahl`	`and it's hard to filter through all the inventory icons uploaded`
`17:21.02`	`cogwheel`	`or, since you're creating them dynamically, you could store them in an array instead of accessing them globally`
`17:21.23`	`Kirkburn`	`Hopefully we'll have all the icons we need soon :)`
`17:21.28`	`cogwheel`	`then it's just a matter of getn :)`
`17:21.44`	`malreth`	`> =type(45)`
`17:21.45`	`malreth`	`number`
`17:21.45`	`TS\|Skrom`	`dumb questions: isn't getn going away?`
`17:21.50`	`Iriel`	`Beladona, : type(blah) == "number"`
`17:21.57`	`Beladona`	`ahh yeah`
`17:22.20`	`malreth`	`someone should hack a lua interpreter into purl`
`17:22.39`	`jaxdahl`	`Kirkburn, another idea would be to figure out a way to automatically flag images that are uploaded and linked to burning-crusade related pages or new pages`
`17:22.43`	`malreth`	`purl, lua print(type(45))`
`17:22.50`	`End`	`I need to not stay up until 4:30 am writing code`
`17:22.54`	`malreth`	`you disappoint me, purl`
`17:23.01`	`Iriel`	`purl, lua while (true) do x=1 end`
`17:23.19`	`malreth`	`and purl would obey`
`17:23.30`	`Iriel`	`and that's why purl doesn't have a lua interpreter`
`17:23.34`	`malreth`	`thank you, Iriel for messing up my beautiful plan`
`17:23.45`	`malreth`	`i hate you more than ever. :(`
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`17:24.19`	`jaxdahl`	`ie, if someone uploads a pick and links it on the Cockatrice page`
`17:24.26`	`jaxdahl`	`s/pick/pic/`
`17:24.40`	`jaxdahl`	`then flag it so someone can check it out`
`17:24.44`	`Kirkburn`	`Not sure about that possibility - try asking Mikk :)`
`17:24.47`	`cogwheel`	`it would be fairly trivial to make sure code doesn't run for more than some certain amount of time...`
`17:25.28`	`Beladona`	`Iriel: maybe you can help me with this annoying problem`
`17:25.32`	`End`	`you'd have to disable some of the os functions too, like os.execute`
`17:25.36`	`cogwheel`	`purl, lua while true do end is <reply>Took to long to process your request`
`17:25.38`	`purl`	`okay, cogwheel`
`17:25.41`	`cogwheel`	`end, again trivial ;)`
`17:26.03`	`End`	`extremely trivial :P`
`17:26.56`	`cogwheel`	`of course, implementing the lua interpreter itself would be extremely non-trivial, since purl is written in perl and lua is written in C...`
`17:27.37`	`malreth`	`just pass the lua script to the lua executable... pipe the result back to the channel`
`17:27.59`	`malreth`	`with an appropriate timeout, of course, to prevent infinite loops from screwing things up`
`17:28.47`	`malreth`	`or, just write our own bot that does that`
`17:29.27`	`jaxdahl`	`best to run it through wowbench`
`17:29.28`	`End`	`write a perl module that uses the lua lib...you -can- write modules in C after all`
`17:29.30`	`cogwheel`	`yeah, but then i'd need to leave my computer running all day, and my landlord pays PG&E ;)`
`17:30.51`	`End`	`in fact`
`17:30.53`	`End`	`http://search.cpan.org/~vparseval/Inline-Lua-0.03/lib/Inline/Lua.pm`
`17:31.09`	`End`	`not -quite- what we want`
`17:31.34`	`End`	`although...`
`17:31.53`	`End`	`maybe it can do what we want, I haven't really read the documentation yet...`
`17:34.33`	`cogwheel`	`I think you'd need to modify the lua library itself in order to implement the timeout`
`17:36.00`	`malreth`	`good thinking, cogwheel. Make it happen!`
`17:36.32`	`malreth`	`That's exactly the kind of ingenuity that we like to see around here in this firm, cogwheel.`
`17:37.59`	`malreth`	`hmm... or I can just write a script for my irc client that does all that lua stuff...`
`17:38.13`	`malreth`	`oh no!`
`17:38.21`	`jaxdahl`	`Kirkburn`
`17:38.46`	`jaxdahl`	`how do i specify that a specific revision of an image should be removed?`
`17:38.53`	`jaxdahl`	`instead of the image page`
`17:39.45`	`malreth`	`oh hey! http://colloquy.info/extras/details.php?file=57`
`17:40.59`	`malreth`	`¿ɥnɥ`
`17:41.15`	`malreth`	`hmm... didn't know I could do that.`
`17:42.12`	`malreth`	`i guess if you can't display UTF8, that would look like jibberish`
`17:45.05`	`jaxdahl`	`yeah, most clients can't`
`17:45.14`	`jaxdahl`	`the server also needs to support it, i believe`
`17:45.35`	`End`	`iirc, the server specifies what encoding everyone should use`
`17:46.31`	`Corrodias`	`so what's the cooldown on Linken's Boomerang?`
`17:49.31`	`Gngsk`	`5m I believe`
`17:51.09`	`Corrodias`	`that's kind of strange, isn't it, that items with "use" effects don't list their cooldowns?`
`17:52.57`	`Corrodias`	`thanks for answering, anyway. time for class. byee~`
`17:53.10`	`Gngsk`	`I was wrong, it's a 3m cooldown`
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`17:53.27`	`Corrodias`	`excellent. it can be useful, then.`
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`17:55.03`	`jaxdahl`	`hey`
`17:55.09`	`jaxdahl`	`nvm`
`17:55.12`	`Kevorkian`	`~wave`
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`17:56.09`	`Kirkburn`	`I'm installing Vista :)`
`17:56.11`	`Kevorkian`	`purl, dict elucidate`
`17:57.18`	`Kevorkian`	`purl, dict 1 elucidate`
`17:58.04`	`Abenadi`	`Is there a good (,simple,free) program for creating TGA images? I've been opening BMPs/JPGs made in paint with IrfanView and saving them as TGA, but I'd like something that could set transparency (alpha).`
`17:58.12`	`cogwheel`	`Gimp`
`17:58.51`	`Kevorkian`	`hmm, there's another free one... inkspace or something like that?`
`17:58.53`	`cogwheel`	`it's got a learning curve but is by far the best free graphics program out there (a la photoshop)`
`17:58.59`	`Kevorkian`	`probably overkill though`
`17:59.02`	`fathom`	`paint2 or paint.net`
`17:59.08`	`Kirkburn`	`irfanview can't do transparency? You sure?`
`17:59.14`	`Abenadi`	`I've looked around`
`17:59.18`	`Abenadi`	`I couldn't find anything`
`17:59.27`	`Abenadi`	`in Irfanview I mean`
`17:59.28`	`fathom`	`http://www.getpaint.net/index.html <-- try that app`
`17:59.30`	`fathom`	`it's free`
`17:59.31`	`malreth`	`heh... i just locked up the applescript editor doing that "while true do print("x") end" thing in lua`
`17:59.52`	`Kevorkian`	`infinite loops ftl!`
`18:00.34`	`malreth`	`the 'with timeout' statement doesn't work in applescript`
`18:00.44`	`Kevorkian`	`purl, dict reentrant`
`18:01.13`	`malreth`	`well, it doesn't work if the script code inside the timeout block never yields`
`18:01.15`	`cogwheel`	`I love the smell of Interrupt Handling in the morning.`
`18:01.34`	`Kevorkian`	`it smells like SIG_SEGV`
`18:01.45`	`Abenadi`	`Kirkburn, for instance in Irfanview when you save a GIF file there is an options dialog where you can choose a transparent color, there is no options dialog when you save as TGA.`
`18:02.11`	`Kirkburn`	`Fair enough :P`
`18:02.29`	`jaxdahl`	`i was going to ask about posting #s for XP per level in TBC`
`18:02.42`	`jaxdahl`	`but it appears they're still adjusting it`
`18:02.56`	`jaxdahl`	`60-61 is 325k, 62-63 is 502k`
`18:05.17`	`cogwheel`	`fathom: <3`
`18:05.24`	`cogwheel`	`i've never heard of paint.net before...`
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`18:05.43`	`fathom`	`it's pretty slick if you don't have access to photoshop and don't like the gimp.`
`18:05.47`	`Kevorkian`	`the one I was trying to think of is "inkscape", not "inkspace"`
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`18:06.22`	`Abenadi`	`I downloaded paint.net, not sure what the best way to get started on it is`
`18:06.31`	`cogwheel`	`Kevorkian: yep. i've played with inkscape quite a bit. The one thing that made me stop was that the "snap bounding boxes to grid" feature didn't work...`
`18:06.42`	`cogwheel`	`maybe they've fixed it though`
`18:06.43`	`fathom`	`there's somet tutorials and things on the site, you might look through there.`
`18:07.09`	`Abenadi`	`ok thanks all`
`18:07.52`	`Kirkburn`	`jaxdahl, it's massively decreased atm so that all can be tested`
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`18:08.55`	`Kevorkian`	`cogwheel: heh, you've obviously played with it longer than I.`
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`18:09.37`	`TS\|Skrom`	`So what's a good thing to do if you HAVE photoshop but can't use it to save your life ><`
`18:09.39`	`cogwheel`	`:) a logo i was working on was essentially dependant on snapping edges. I had to end up using separate objects to make it look right`
`18:09.52`	`cogwheel`	`TS\|Skrom: student loans?`
`18:09.54`	`cogwheel`	`;)`
`18:10.02`	`TS\|Skrom`	`hahah`
`18:10.06`	`malreth`	`woohoo! locked up applescript again... but it's getting better`
`18:10.36`	`malreth`	`found a timeout script written in bash`
`18:10.49`	`malreth`	`wrapped that around the call to lua...`
`18:10.53`	`malreth`	`sorta works`
`18:11.08`	`malreth`	`so... i've got applescript calling bash calling lua`
`18:11.33`	`Kevorkian`	`appbapaluaza?`
`18:11.42`	`malreth`	`this is the kind of stuff porn films are made from`
`18:11.59`	`Beladona`	`ok wtf, someone changed the events page on wowwiki again?`
`18:12.06`	`malreth`	`applescript is cute looking... but ditzy`
`18:12.10`	`Beladona`	`it doesn't default to the all list anymore`
`18:12.21`	`fathom`	`applescript hurts my head.`
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`18:12.32`	`TS\|Skrom`	`"Wrap that bash around me baby", "Oh you know you want my lua code in your applescript, SAY MY NAME, SAY MY NAME!"`
`18:12.32`	`fathom`	`thankfully i don't have to use it much.`
`18:12.35`	`malreth`	`bash is the 30 year old who has had a couple children`
`18:12.38`	`Dhraga`	`Evening all`
`18:12.45`	`cogwheel`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:12.59`	`malreth`	`lua is the barely legal just-turned-18-year-old`
`18:13.34`	`malreth`	`you see applescript all the time in those girls gone wild vids`
`18:13.49`	`TS\|Skrom`	`but you really think you are gettin glua`
`18:13.58`	`fathom`	`i'm wanting to create my own Unit Frames, don't want to use DUF, but can't figure out where to start. Do I need to hide the blizz ones and then somehow redraw my own?`
`18:14.03`	`Kevorkian`	`I picture applescript as a california style geek/hippy`
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`18:14.04`	`Kirov`	`malreth - that's what they call that these days...`
`18:14.05`	`TS\|Skrom`	`s/in glua/ing lua/`
`18:14.18`	`malreth`	`i think i've taken this metaphor waaaaay too far`
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`18:14.40`	`TS\|Skrom`	`no! don't stop! don't stop!`
`18:14.49`	`malreth`	`Kevorkian: think more like palm beach spring break`
`18:14.50`	`Kirov`	`fathom - Yes, you'll need to hide the blizzard ones, then make your own frames to replace them.`
`18:14.51`	`TS\|Skrom`	`.... >.>....<.<... sorry`
`18:14.58`	`cogwheel`	`fathom: that's the most straightforward way, yes... you could also move around the various elements of the default one and change their textures and such... though it would probably be more work`
`18:15.29`	`malreth`	`ok... time to hunt down some lunch`
`18:15.29`	`fathom`	`alright, so i'll start with http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Remove_Blizzard_Default_Frames that stuff`
`18:15.31`	`zenzelezz`	`I find it humorous how paladins and hunters are getting upset because none of the tanks wanted the Gauntlets of Steadfast Determination`
`18:16.20`	`fathom`	`is there a list somewhere of all the elements contained in a player frame? that's what i want to start with. i'll worry about party frames once i have a player frame figured out.`
`18:16.36`	`cogwheel`	`fathom: get the ui customization kit`
`18:16.36`	`Kirov`	`fathom - wdn.wowinterface.com`
`18:16.42`	`cogwheel`	`it'll extract all the interface files for you`
`18:17.02`	`cogwheel`	`and yes, wdn.wowinterface.com is a great place to browse while you're at work ;)`
`18:17.24`	`Kirov`	`fathom - wdn.wowinterface.com is has the .xml and .lua files that are extracted by the ui customization kit`
`18:17.48`	`fathom`	`Kirov: yeah i saw the UnitFrame.lua and .xml`
`18:18.08`	`Kirov`	`Where's that wow xml tutorial?`
`18:18.13`	`Kirov`	`The non-wiki one`
`18:18.22`	`fathom`	`that would be handy.`
`18:18.22`	`Kirov`	`I can never remember what it's called / where it's at`
`18:18.28`	`cogwheel`	`fara.webdiddie.com or something like that`
`18:18.36`	`cogwheel`	`just google fara frames`
`18:18.39`	`fathom`	`since i don't know xml at all :-/, this is going to be pretty rough i'm sure.`
`18:18.46`	`Kirov`	`http://fara.webeddie.com/frames/`
`18:18.54`	`Kirov`	`xml is really really ... REALLY easy`
`18:18.55`	`TS\|Skrom`	`nothing like jumping into the deep end lol`
`18:19.03`	`fathom`	`TS\|Skrom: yeah...`
`18:19.25`	`Kirov`	`Here's the syntax for xml`
`18:19.25`	`Kirov`	`<Something variable="stuff">`
`18:19.25`	`Kirov`	`<SubThing/>`
`18:19.26`	`Kirov`	`</Something>`
`18:19.27`	`Kirov`	`done`
`18:19.29`	`cogwheel`	`fathom: you can do everything in Lua, if you really don't want to learn XML. However, XML makes MUCH more sense on a conceptual level for UIs because it's arranged spatially instead of temporally.`
`18:19.56`	`Kirov`	`cog - big words bad`
`18:20.13`	`fathom`	`i figure i need to learn this stuff anyway. so why not with a probably not so simple project like this. :)`
`18:20.19`	`Kevorkian`	`purl, dict temporally`
`18:20.22`	`cogwheel`	`what? spatially has the same number of letters as scratched!`
`18:20.33`	`cogwheel`	`ok... one more... i can't count`
`18:20.41`	`Kirov`	`cogwheel - scraa.. what?`
`18:20.42`	`cogwheel`	`wait... no i was right`
`18:21.03`	`cogwheel`	`scratched: the longest single-syllable word in the english language`
`18:21.10`	`Kirov`	`1 c4N 0n1y r34\|) h4X0r!!11`
`18:21.34`	`cogwheel`	`kirov, the fact that i understood that as quickly as if it were written normally makes me a sad panda`
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`18:21.42`	`Kirov`	`doesn't the bliz ui thing come with a tutorial?`
`18:21.46`	`cogwheel`	`yep`
`18:21.49`	`Kirov`	`ah`
`18:21.58`	`TS\|Skrom`	`one big difference though cogwheel is that you don't get framexml messages for CreateFrame() and those can be handy`
`18:22.16`	`cogwheel`	`TS\|Skrom: no, you get error messages instead :P`
`18:22.46`	`TS\|Skrom`	`would you get an error message if say... your CreateFrame() included an inheritance that you hadn't defined?`
`18:22.49`	`Kirov`	`fathom - http://www.wowwiki.com/WoW_UI_Customization_Guide`
`18:22.54`	`cogwheel`	`Dynamic frames have their place... though it's usually better to write a template in XML`
`18:23.02`	`TS\|Skrom`	`I don't know... by the time I got to dynamic frames all my xml stuff was okay`
`18:23.09`	`cogwheel`	`TS\|Skrom: i would assume so, but i've never experienced it`
`18:23.24`	`Kirov`	`It gives you a non-descript error actually`
`18:23.26`	`Kirov`	`really annoying`
`18:23.35`	`cogwheel`	`ah`
`18:23.39`	`TS\|Skrom`	`in that case then I'd say learn the xml lol`
`18:23.41`	`cogwheel`	`XML 4tw :)`
`18:23.45`	`fathom`	`Kirov: thanks, i've been browsing through that stuff.`
`18:24.27`	`Kirov`	`fathom - the way I learned a lot of the more complex stuff is just by looking at blizzard's own code as well as mods that do something similar to what I was looking for.`
`18:24.32`	`TS\|Skrom`	`I only switch to dynamic for a small area where I wanted only certain checkboxes to show based on criteria that might be different on each character`
`18:24.46`	`TS\|Skrom`	`s/switch/switched/`
`18:24.50`	`Kirov`	`Sometimes I couldn't find anything close, but looking at stuff would at least give me ideas as to how to go about something.`
`18:25.05`	`cogwheel`	`yep. or when you want to create a whole bunch of virtually identical frames except for a few specifics`
`18:25.09`	`fathom`	`yeah i've been poking around in the code for several UF mods, but there's just too much code there for me to figure out how to get started.`
`18:25.34`	`Kirov`	`UnitFrames are honestly exceptionally complex bits of code.`
`18:25.37`	`TS\|Skrom`	`right! like naming each frame "CheckBox"..i`
`18:25.53`	`fathom`	`of course i pick something hard to start out on :(`
`18:26.03`	`Kirov`	`fathom - possibly one of the hardest, actually.`
`18:26.04`	`TS\|Skrom`	`lol try HelloWorld! first :)`
`18:26.21`	`Xuerian`	`fathom: Find something small that you would use yourself.`
`18:26.26`	`TS\|Skrom`	`~emulate ts\|skrom`
`18:26.27`	`purl`	`can someone tell me how I can...`
`18:26.36`	`TS\|Skrom`	`As you can see purl knows how much I ask questions...`
`18:26.37`	`Kirov`	`~emulate kirov`
`18:26.38`	`purl`	`my butt got a DMCA from blizzard.`
`18:26.51`	`Kirov`	`I should change that`
`18:26.55`	`fathom`	`yeah, for a while i was looking to see if there was a way to possibly stick an emoticon into the chat window. but it doesn't look like it.`
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`18:27.21`	`TS\|Skrom`	`emoticon from a chat log?`
`18:27.30`	`TS\|Skrom`	`er... INTO a chat log?`
`18:27.34`	`Kirov`	`~emulate Kirov`
`18:27.35`	`purl`	`It's too early in the morning for me to speak stupid.`
`18:27.38`	`TS\|Skrom`	`like when someone goes :-)`
`18:27.53`	`fathom`	`yeah, replace that in someone's chat window with an actual smiley`
`18:28.04`	`MentalPower`	`Chatzilla does that`
`18:28.15`	`Kevorkian`	`I've been dying for somebody to redo the raid icons as various smiley faces`
`18:28.17`	`TS\|Skrom`	`MentalPower I think he meant in game`
`18:28.17`	`fathom`	`right, but could you do that in wow's chat?`
`18:29.05`	`fathom`	`i'm guess would be no.`
`18:29.19`	`Kevorkian`	`maybe if you made like a smiley font`
`18:29.33`	`MentalPower`	`that happens when you join midway`
`18:29.39`	`cogwheel`	`Chatzilla even does different icons for O.o and o.O :)`
`18:29.55`	`Kirov`	`bliz forums are still caput?`
`18:29.56`	`MentalPower`	`and O.O`
`18:30.03`	`fathom`	`Kirov: seems so :-/`
`18:30.17`	`Kirov`	`gg blizzard`
`18:30.18`	`fathom`	`... yeah i use irssi for irc, so i don't see that stuff here.`
`18:30.32`	`cogwheel`	`Kirov: they're so kaput, i gave up on having ~emulate cogwheel be mad at the forums`
`18:30.36`	`TS\|Skrom`	`I get the same for all three :(`
`18:30.54`	`TS\|Skrom`	`~emulate cogwheel`
`18:30.55`	`purl`	`ACTION Look... Lua... 5.1... makes... me... use... even more... elipses...`
`18:31.01`	`TS\|Skrom`	`lol`
`18:31.09`	`cogwheel`	`TS\|Skrom: fyi it was O . o, o . O, and O . O`
`18:31.16`	`Kirkburn`	`Vista loooks amazing!`
`18:31.35`	`TS\|Skrom`	`yep, I see em when I mouseover them.. it differentiates there, but the actual image is the same`
`18:31.41`	`Kevorkian`	`meh, real men use command line interfaces :P`
`18:31.54`	`cogwheel`	`purl, emulate Kirkburn is <reply>Yes, Microsoft! Harder!`
`18:31.56`	`purl`	`...but emulate kirkburn is already something else...`
`18:32.00`	`Kevorkian`	`this whole gui thing is just a fad`
`18:32.14`	`TS\|Skrom`	`Kirkburn are you looking at the same pictures I was?`
`18:32.14`	`Kirkburn`	`No seriously ... amazing, it really`
`18:32.24`	`TS\|Skrom`	`Kirkburn because amazing isn't the word I would use...`
`18:32.55`	`Gryphen`	`i think vista looks nifty`
`18:32.56`	`TS\|Skrom`	`cogwheel ...bwahaha`
`18:33.04`	`Gryphen`	`^v^`
`18:33.10`	`cogwheel`	`I think they have a lot of "neat" features, but it's pretty distracting if you ask me...`
`18:33.27`	`cogwheel`	`They could've been a bit more subtle imho`
`18:34.12`	`TS\|Skrom`	`Quote: Fired when the playtime state changes.`
`18:34.21`	`TS\|Skrom`	`does that mean rested vs unrested?`
`18:34.29`	`Kirkburn`	`It is subtle, I assure you`
`18:35.00`	`Kirkburn`	`It's amazingly smooth and lovely`
`18:35.30`	`TS\|Skrom`	`Funny, he uses the same words to describe the hooker he was with last week O.o`
`18:35.39`	`Kevorkian`	`I'm fairly certain that Microsoft wouldn't know subtle if subtle put on a skimpy dress, bangles, makeup and climbed into Microsoft's lap`
`18:35.46`	`Kirov`	`~emulate Kirkburn`
`18:35.47`	`purl`	`Yes, Microsoft! Harder!`
`18:36.22`	`TS\|Skrom`	`Kevorkian /bow`
`18:36.28`	`Kevorkian`	`they make some nice software, but subtle isn't really their big thing`
`18:36.47`	`Kevorkian`	`I mean, just look at clippy`
`18:36.58`	`cogwheel`	`hey now... i didn't finalize that one... :P`
`18:36.58`	`Kirkburn`	`Who no longer exists, and hasn't for about 6 years`
`18:36.58`	`Kevorkian`	`or don't if the trauma is too much`
`18:37.16`	`cogwheel`	`cough Bob`
`18:37.21`	`Kirov`	`bloop "It looks like you're writing a suicide letter. May I help convince you to go through with it?"`
`18:37.29`	`Kevorkian`	`hehe`
`18:37.45`	`tyroney\|work`	`Could we talk about this later? I'm trying to eat lunch, here.`
`18:37.58`	`Kirkburn`	`It just asked me if I wanted to share my music with my Vista desktop - they're only connected via a router :D`
`18:38.22`	`Kirov`	`clippy still exists, he just has to be turned on now instead of on by default`
`18:38.33`	`TS\|Skrom`	`Would you like to play.....1. Chess?`
`18:38.37`	`Kirkburn`	`He doesn't, not in Office 2003 or 2007`
`18:39.02`	`cogwheel`	`2003 still has the option, doesn't it?`
`18:39.08`	`TS\|Skrom`	`(Wargames reference ftw)`
`18:39.12`	`tyroney\|work`	`Didn't they just replace him with the puppy? At least as default.`
`18:39.27`	`cogwheel`	`yep... there he is :)`
`18:39.29`	`Kirkburn`	`Actually, I think you can download clippy for 2003, but he's not anywhere near the normal install settings`
`18:39.34`	`Kirov`	`Kirkburn - just go to Help -> Show assistant`
`18:39.42`	`cogwheel`	`I think someone needs to make a Murky office assistant`
`18:39.44`	`Kirov`	`This is a brand new computer`
`18:39.51`	`Kirov`	`JUST installed Office from the disks`
`18:39.55`	`tyroney\|work`	`Bwa ha ha! I didn't install the assistant, so I'm safe.`
`18:40.09`	`Kirkburn`	`strange, but fair enough`
`18:40.29`	`Kirkburn`	`Oh god, you're right`
`18:40.40`	`Kirkburn`	`He's definately not in Office 2007 :P`
`18:40.40`	`Kirov`	`Like I said, off by default.`
`18:40.43`	`TS\|Skrom`	`his name is Clippit now`
`18:41.51`	`cogwheel`	`So... i was intending to spend today at work coding my addon, but instead i've been sitting in this thread chatting with you people...`
`18:42.04`	`cogwheel`	`Hmm... seems like my priorities are a little messed up...`
`18:42.07`	`Kirov`	`cogwheel - what're you working on?`
`18:42.28`	`cogwheel`	`kirov: buydropper`
`18:42.36`	`Kirov`	`which does?`
`18:42.38`	`cogwheel`	`i'm actually making it completely standalone`
`18:42.39`	`Kevorkian`	`in any case, the point I was making was that while Clippie may no longer be on by default, the fact that he ever existed is more indicative of the Microsoft sense of subtlety.`
`18:42.58`	`Kirov`	`Kevorkian - Microsoft BOB`
`18:43.08`	`Kevorkian`	`oh please, lets not go there`
`18:43.13`	`cogwheel`	`kirov: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?s=&id=5280`
`18:43.48`	`cogwheel`	`I'm mostly working on the GUI now, as the most extensive GUI work i've done so far is BuyEmAll`
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`18:44.11`	`Kirov`	`An coworker of mine who we used to play pranks on was named Bob. We always wanted to install microsoft Bob on his machine.`
`18:44.12`	`cogwheel`	`But i'm also going to remove the dependency of FreeRefills for various reasons`
`18:44.44`	`Kevorkian`	`kirov: that would have been cruel`
`18:45.26`	`cogwheel`	`Bob is Microsoft's answer to the Atari ET game...`
`18:45.34`	`Kirov`	`we did some fun stuff to him. Taking a screen shot of his desktop and setting it as his background then moving the icons and the start bar.`
`18:45.45`	`cogwheel`	`LOL`
`18:45.53`	`Kirov`	`tape over the sensor on his mouse`
`18:46.10`	`Kirov`	`The best one had to do with the game we were working on.`
`18:47.10`	`Kirov`	`He always used a specific test level to work on his stuff, so we made a level that was his level in the "skybox" and made the world basically an infinite plane. Basically he could run around in all directions and he wouldn't appear to be moving.`
`18:47.41`	`Kirov`	`he spent a couple minutes trying to figure out how he broke it.`
`18:47.49`	`Kirkburn`	`Next job will be trying out a game on Vista :)`
`18:48.49`	`jaxdahl`	`Kirkburn`
`18:48.51`	`jaxdahl`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Cockatrice.gif`
`18:48.55`	`jaxdahl`	`can you delete the old image`
`18:49.21`	`jaxdahl`	`the one in the middle`
`18:50.30`	`Kirkburn`	`I can try, but the router isn't a fan of connecting to the internet right now :/`
`18:50.35`	`cogwheel`	`kirov, mind if i ask where you work?`
`18:52.16`	`Kirov`	`cogwheel - where all that went down was at a company called Digitalo`
`18:52.32`	`Kirkburn`	`Done jaxdahl :)`
`18:53.08`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge malreth (n=triti@cpe-72-179-20-11.austin.res.rr.com)`
`18:53.28`	`malreth`	`apparently Silver Hand is back up`
`18:53.55`	`Iriel`	`Yay`
`18:53.57`	`Iriel`	`My home!`
`18:54.03`	`malreth`	`yep`
`18:54.08`	`malreth`	`mine too`
`18:54.22`	`malreth`	`i should log in and see if i made it to rank 6 or not`
`18:55.15`	`malreth`	`ooh... wait... no. this is more important`
`18:56.05`	`malreth`	`gonna get me one of these... i'll be set for life`
`18:56.23`	`malreth`	`ebay it and put the funds into my retirement`
`18:59.12`	`Kirkburn`	`Darn, no drivers for my soundcard in Vista :(`
`18:59.59`	`malreth`	`i've been holding off from installing vista because of drivers`
`19:00.28`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge Qzot (i=user@sandbox.xerox.com)`
`19:00.53`	`Qzot`	`Heyo.`
`19:01.08`	`malreth`	`Meyo`
`19:01.12`	`Beladona`	`anyone know of a "full" installer for Office B2TR?`
`19:01.18`	`Beladona`	`not that stupid updater`
`19:01.38`	`Kirkburn`	`There isn't one`
`19:01.47`	`Kirkburn`	`You have to install B2 first, then update`
`19:01.56`	`Beladona`	`so what? I have to install the previous beta?`
`19:02.07`	`Kirkburn`	`Yep :/`
`19:02.09`	`Beladona`	`I tried that, and ended up with corrupt .dot files`
`19:02.15`	`Kirkburn`	`Delete them`
`19:02.22`	`Beladona`	`it kept "reinstalling" every time I opened an office program`
`19:02.24`	`Kirkburn`	`They get recreated`
`19:02.28`	`Beladona`	`I did`
`19:02.31`	`Beladona`	`happens again`
`19:02.34`	`Beladona`	`gotta love beta`
`19:02.38`	`Kirkburn`	`:P`
`19:02.54`	`malreth`	`msg purl beta`
`19:02.59`	`malreth`	`nooooo!`
`19:03.02`	`malreth`	`i fail IRC`
`19:03.16`	`Beladona`	`hmm lets see`
`19:03.17`	`Mikk`	`I mean.. the original release versions are bad enough`
`19:03.18`	`Kirkburn`	`malreth, out of all the stuff I have, only my Audigy doesn't have drivers`
`19:03.29`	`Beladona`	`because its used widely in my office?`
`19:03.30`	`Mikk`	`Need like 2 patch levels before they stop destroying your documents`
`19:03.34`	`Kirkburn`	`I'm downloading the Vista Beta 2 ones atm, they should work`
`19:03.58`	`malreth`	`tell me how WoW runs`
`19:04.07`	`malreth`	`get to it... i'll wait`
`19:04.15`	`Kirkburn`	`lol`
`19:04.50`	`Beladona`	`hmm`
`19:05.05`	`Beladona`	`anyone know where to get the Beta2 download of office 2007? the one I found wants money`
`19:05.40`	`Kirkburn`	`Torrent`
`19:05.59`	`Kirkburn`	`Or go searching for one MS hasn't asked to take down :P`
`19:06.32`	`Kirkburn`	`I'm sure they exist`
`19:07.31`	`Beladona`	`yeah I figured. Was hoping to not have to warez it, but oh well`
`19:07.47`	`Kirkburn`	`They're just trying to recoup some of the server costs`
`19:07.48`	`Beladona`	`have a legitimate key, just not the file, stupid MS`
`19:08.11`	`Beladona`	`maybe its on one of my technet cdroms, hmm...`
`19:08.15`	`malreth`	`http://pc.gamespy.com/articles/733/733596p1.html`
`19:09.35`	`Beladona`	`woot, it is`
`19:10.27`	`Kirkburn`	`:D`
`19:10.38`	`JoshBorke`	`ah ha!`
`19:10.48`	`Kirkburn`	`having two sets of keyboards and mice in front of each other is very very confusing`
`19:10.48`	`JoshBorke`	`my room-mate is going to work on my synchronization problem :-D`
`19:10.54`	`JoshBorke`	`just put a label on them`
`19:11.31`	`Kevorkian`	`that'd work for you. alas I am not so fortunate`
`19:11.31`	`Kirkburn`	`lol, I just got a window appear in Vista called: "Busted app"`
`19:11.55`	`Corrodias`	`that's a special preview of what it will do on release. it isn't actually broken, yet.`
`19:11.57`	`Kevorkian`	`Josh: can folks ever edit their KB articles?`
`19:11.59`	`Kirkburn`	`Actually, I got 5 of them :P`
`19:12.06`	`Beladona`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:12.13`	`Beladona`	`way to go ms`
`19:12.16`	`Kirkburn`	`weird`
`19:13.59`	`JoshBorke`	`Kevorkian: yea, the KB articles will be editable based on permissions set by the GM`
`19:14.13`	`Beladona`	`wow`
`19:14.39`	`Kevorkian`	`josh: then you still have to worry about timestamps, even if they are part of the label`
`19:14.40`	`JoshBorke`	`basically a CanUserPerform(<action>,node)`
`19:14.41`	`Kirkburn`	`Wheee, I have sound!`
`19:14.44`	`Beladona`	`so I go to the technet website, and they have this heading:`
`19:14.44`	`Beladona`	`TechNet Magazine: Find and Fix LUA Bugs`
`19:15.05`	`Beladona`	`got all excited till I realized they mean Limited User Accounts`
`19:15.11`	`JoshBorke`	`Kevorkian: oh, the label part was for Kirkburn ;-)`
`19:16.02`	`Kirkburn`	`:P`
`19:17.44`	`Kirkburn`	`Now I need to find an IRC client for Vista`
`19:17.55`	`Kevorkian`	`Josh: we're just handling permissions by level of guild access. if they have MOTD permission they can be like unto a god`
`19:18.06`	`JoshBorke`	`lol Kemayo`
`19:18.13`	`JoshBorke`	`s/Kemayo/Kevorkian/`
`19:18.15`	`JoshBorke`	`friggin tab`
`19:18.22`	`malreth`	`shockwave game where you play the role of an airport security screener: http://www.shockwave.com/contentPlay/shockwave.jsp?id=airportsecurity&memberStatus=NotSignedIn`
`19:19.46`	`malreth`	`the game does involve pulling the pants off of cartoony people...`
`19:20.05`	`malreth`	`and sometimes you have to confiscate someone's chastity belt`
`19:20.17`	`Kevorkian`	`Josh: of course, our use of checksums adds a little bit of security, it means they can't hack the .lua files with impunity unless they also know how to compute CRCs for their changes`
`19:20.50`	`Kevorkian`	`do you get to say "Ni" at old women?`
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`19:26.15`	`JoshBorke`	`true`
`19:26.27`	`Corrodias`	`so the golden age of tweaking your addons is over?`
`19:26.50`	`JoshBorke`	`but i think if someone wants to go to the trouble of updating the sv with correct timestamp and new information, they should go right ahead`
`19:27.01`	`JoshBorke`	`everyone else will check their permissions before changing the local copy anyway :-)`
`19:30.33`	`Kevorkian`	`how do you know somebody actually had permission or just modified their lua to make it look like an officer changed it`
`19:30.46`	`JoshBorke`	`hm`
`19:31.59`	`Kevorkian`	`we have the web backup data store, but if you have somebody malicious, they could theoretically just fake officer permissions and set all the nodes to "THIS GUILD SUCKS"`
`19:32.28`	`Kevorkian`	`the viral update would then nicely wipe out all your KB`
`19:33.38`	`JoshBorke`	`hm, i'll make the only people who can propogate information be the ones who can edit information`
`19:34.27`	`TS\|Skrom`	`I'm either actually learning something or getting really lucky`
`19:35.20`	`TS\|Skrom`	`maybe a little of both`
`19:36.46`	`Mery`	`you could also verify messages with a public/private key method`
`19:37.58`	`Mery`	`(whcih is of course well not worth the effort)`
`19:37.58`	`Kevorkian`	`josh: not a bad plan, wish I had that luxury`
`19:38.42`	`JoshBorke`	`Kevorkian: users are only authoritative for their signs`
`19:38.54`	`JoshBorke`	`sign-ups and administrators can remove anyone's sign-up`
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`19:39.49`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`So apparently that worked :P`
`19:40.22`	`Kevorkian`	`to some extent that's what we're planning, you can only control what you sign up for, but hacking the LUA, a user has no way of knowing if the original author sent the change or if somebody modified the .lua`
`19:41.09`	`Kevorkian`	`do check CRC of course`
`19:42.00`	`Kevorkian`	`unlike the KB, any user can create an event`
`19:43.06`	`jaxdahl`	`new screenshtos today`
`19:43.06`	`jaxdahl`	`http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/burningcrusade/screenshots.html`
`19:43.54`	`jaxdahl`	`some new weapon models are shown`
`19:43.54`	`AnduinLothar`	`heh be female with utb, how fitting`
`19:45.16`	`AnduinLothar`	`one almost looks liek frostmourne`
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`19:47.15`	`JoshBorke`	`the Caverns of Time will be open in BC?`
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`19:48.05`	`jaxdahl`	`JoshBorke, maybe`
`19:48.59`	`AnduinLothar`	`im betting on a later bc patch`
`19:50.39`	`JoshBorke`	`one of the screenshots is from inside the CoT`
`19:50.44`	`JoshBorke`	`number 55`
`19:51.12`	`AnduinLothar`	`does it have monsters in it?`
`19:52.03`	`JoshBorke`	`no`
`19:52.19`	`AnduinLothar`	`the insides have been done for over a year`
`19:52.33`	`AnduinLothar`	`but there were no mobs in it for the longest time..`
`19:56.19`	`warla`	`any leatherworkers around?`
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`19:57.03`	`cogwheel`	`yeah`
`20:01.49`	`cogwheel`	`warla: was that just curiosity or did you have a question? :P`
`20:02.36`	`malreth`	`i think i'm gonna move to Portland, OR.`
`20:07.28`	`Kirkburn`	`Hmm, WoW won't patch in Vista for me :(`
`20:08.44`	`malreth`	`mm?`
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`20:09.14`	`malreth`	`won't patch?`
`20:10.52`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`Yeah, it says 'Failed to apply patch'`
`20:11.44`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`It's installed on the XP partition - does WoW use the registry?`
`20:12.03`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`(it hasn't been played in about a year, so is still on patch 1.6)`
`20:14.43`	`Kevorkian`	`I doubt it does use the registry`
`20:15.21`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`Hmmm, odd`
`20:15.26`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`Bah, I'll try something else`
`20:17.21`	`cogwheel`	`Kirkburn\|Vista: why bother patching? just run WoW from whatever location it's under XP...`
`20:17.58`	`cogwheel`	`WoW only has two or three registry entries which don't affect gameplay`
`20:18.26`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`That's what I was trying`
`20:18.42`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`I can't update it though, it won't let me`
`20:20.15`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`Gonna try downloading the patches`
`20:22.39`	`malreth`	`did you upgrade to vista in place or did you do a complete reinstall?`
`20:22.52`	`malreth`	`or did you install to a different partition?`
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`20:29.34`	`cogwheel`	`Kirkburn\|Vista: that's what i'm saying... you don't need the patches...`
`20:29.57`	`cogwheel`	`if you have a full wow install under xp`
`20:30.09`	`Kirkburn`	`A hint ... how can I do this at the same time? :P`
`20:30.19`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`... as this`
`20:30.26`	`cogwheel`	`you're router has issues...`
`20:30.28`	`cogwheel`	`:P`
`20:30.32`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`haha`
`20:30.49`	`cogwheel`	`Then it would probably be quicker to just zip up and transfer your whole WoW folder...`
`20:31.07`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`Yeah, I could try that`
`20:32.57`	`zenzelezz`	`if you do, save time by doing a no-compression zip`
`20:33.06`	`cogwheel`	`yup`
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`20:42.58`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`This is my desktop atm: http://img479.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshothy9.jpg`
`20:44.59`	`Gryphen`	`hit`
`20:45.01`	`Gryphen`	`it`
`20:45.32`	`Gryphen`	`that the default 'biss' ?`
`20:45.36`	`Gryphen`	`bliss*`
`20:46.45`	`Xuerian`	`That's a good shade better than b1 XD`
`20:47.19`	`zenzelezz`	`that screenshot gives me an even stronger urge to stay away from Vista`
`20:47.29`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`You get to choose your wallpaper during install, so there's no default - that's one fo the choices though`
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`20:47.53`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`There's quite a few other choices, beautiful ones`
`20:48.05`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`zenzelezz, why?`
`20:48.17`	`Gryphen`	`why is it different than any other desktop zen?`
`20:49.05`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`If you don't like the icon size or the sidebar, that's my choices for them, not the defaults`
`20:51.12`	`zenzelezz`	`everything I see about Vista is all stupid graphics stuff`
`20:51.32`	`zenzelezz`	`most of the real new underlying stuff has been removed or changed a lot since the start`
`20:51.54`	`Kevorkian`	`see, one of the first things I do with a new windows system is disable a lot of the flashy graphics`
`20:52.10`	`Kevorkian`	`I hate the thought that my processor is wasting effort on them`
`20:52.36`	`zenzelezz`	`I disable everything until it looks like Win2000 too, but I see no non-graphical changes that I consider worth upgrading for`
`20:53.30`	`Xuerian`	`With the impact on the system from basic msstyles, what's the point in making your desktop sharp and flat over a fraction of a fraction of performance? :P... fading, sliding, and other I can see removing.`
`20:55.19`	`cogwheel`	`Well, in vista, most of it is GPU accelerated, so i'm sure it's not nearly as processor-intensive as you might think...`
`20:55.34`	`Kevorkian`	`meh, I'm less of a journey, more of a destination type person. I don't really care about the flash that gets me to my programs, my programs are the same as always`
`20:56.30`	`cogwheel`	`I was resistant to the new XP interface at first... but once i started using it, i found i was more effective`
`20:56.55`	`Xuerian`	`It's more effective to have my eyes not running into walls all the time, IMO`
`20:56.58`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`It uses the GPU, not CPU, so it's hardly system slowing`
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`20:57.06`	`CrazierMYKL`	`huej fisher-price colored iterfaces ftl`
`20:57.13`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`I will also mention that it's running about as fast as XP did on this machine atm`
`20:57.14`	`cogwheel`	`But you get subconsciously used to certain features`
`20:57.36`	`cogwheel`	`it's like in WoW... if you play with the sound off, you're missing out on lots of information (especially against rogues)`
`20:57.37`	`CrazierMYKL`	`not just huge, but huej like xbocks`
`20:57.41`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`(And this isn't a top of the range PC, it's two years old)`
`20:57.44`	`Kevorkian`	`I killed my subconscious years ago. Trapped it between my id and my ego and beat it to a bloody pulp`
`20:58.57`	`CrazierMYKL`	`IceWM is pretty much the epitome of UI`
`20:59.06`	`Xuerian`	`Kirkburn: My six year old computer could run it with the visual effects that were instated at the time.`
`20:59.28`	`Xuerian`	`s/time/beta 1/`
`20:59.50`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`Exactly, you don't gain much from disabling it all`
`21:01.07`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`Flip 3d is truly gorgeous (and efficient!)`
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`21:02.19`	`Xuerian`	`I wanna try that =\`
`21:03.22`	`Xuerian`	`I just had a revelation.`
`21:03.28`	`Xuerian`	`I know what I have to add to XLoot.`
`21:04.01`	`Xuerian`	`The Nintendo logo sound that plays on mario games, whenver you loot coins =O`
`21:04.15`	`TS\|Skrom`	`XD`
`21:04.17`	`TS\|Skrom`	`I love it`
`21:04.31`	`CrazierMYKL`	`if you grab a ring, use the sonic sound`
`21:04.41`	`Xuerian`	`lol`
`21:04.57`	`Xuerian`	`I could do that, make a extension for it to play various sounds on loot pickup XD`
`21:05.33`	`Xuerian`	`Rare: Zelda "You found the ___!" sound. Epic: ... hm...`
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`21:06.34`	`Kirov`	`I'm very, very scared now.`
`21:07.41`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`Leave the Brownies alone!`
`21:07.43`	`Kevorkian`	`so what do you play when they find trash? Oscar the grouch?`
`21:07.56`	`Xuerian`	`XD`
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`21:18.14`	`Qzot`	`MentalPower: ping`
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`21:18.24`	`MentalPower`	`Qzot: pong!`
`21:18.29`	`Qzot`	`Hehe.`
`21:18.36`	`Kirov`	`poing!`
`21:18.38`	`MentalPower`	`whatsup?`
`21:18.48`	`MentalPower`	`Boinc!`
`21:18.48`	`Qzot`	`I've figured out what I've love to be added to Auctioneer.`
`21:19.12`	`MentalPower`	`what is that?`
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`21:19.36`	`Qzot`	`function Auctioneer_RegisterItemSearchPredicate(name, fcn)`
`21:19.45`	`MentalPower`	`huh?`
`21:20.03`	`Qzot`	`It's a function that Auctioneer supplies.`
`21:20.21`	`Qzot`	`Another addon calls it, passing a name and a function.`
`21:20.56`	`Qzot`	`In the search tab, if you select Item, there will be a dropdown list where you can select one of the registered predicates.`
`21:21.17`	`JoshBorke`	`morning cladhaire`
`21:21.22`	`cladhaire`	`morning`
`21:21.29`	`cogwheel`	`Kirkburn\|Vista: I used to have a forum signature like that`
`21:21.39`	`MentalPower`	`Qzot: and what exactly is a predicate?`
`21:21.45`	`Qzot`	`When you do an Item search, as well as all the other fields, auctioneer will call the predicate.`
`21:22.01`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`heh`
`21:22.08`	`Qzot`	`Predicate: A function that receives info about the auction entry, and returns true or false.`
`21:22.17`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`I'm torn between two machines now :P`
`21:22.22`	`Qzot`	`Predicate = filter.`
`21:23.09`	`Qzot`	`So ... example ... i could register a filter that only lists supplies of interest to engineers.`
`21:23.19`	`cogwheel`	`Kirkburn\|Vista: hehe... i found it ;) http://www.pixeltoaster.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=41`
`21:23.56`	`Qzot`	`Or ... I could create a predicate that only returns true if the auction entry is for an item that's on my FizzWidget's Shopping List.`
`21:23.58`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`heh`
`21:24.07`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`Time to try a game :O`
`21:24.15`	`MentalPower`	`and this is all for the Search Auctions tab?`
`21:24.19`	`MentalPower`	`hey Cair`
`21:24.28`	`Qzot`	`Yes.`
`21:24.30`	`Cairenn`	`hi guys`
`21:24.43`	`Qzot`	`At a minimum, for the Item search on the Search Auctions tab.`
`21:24.57`	`cladhaire`	`heyas Cairenn`
`21:25.16`	`Qzot`	`If it worked for Bid or Buyout tabs, that would be a plus, but not essential.`
`21:25.27`	`MentalPower`	`Qzot: Can you create a trac ticket on our website so i don't forget?`
`21:25.31`	`Qzot`	`s/tabs/types of searches`
`21:25.37`	`MentalPower`	`Qzot: www.auctioneeraddon.com/trac`
`21:26.01`	`Kirov`	`can I make a trac ticket for "FINISH ITEMIZER, YOU BUM!"`
`21:26.06`	`Qzot`	`This sound doable/interesting/worthwhile/likely to be acted on?`
`21:26.10`	`Kirov`	`Or would that be abuse`
`21:26.42`	`MentalPower`	`Qzot: yes`
`21:26.51`	`MentalPower`	`Qzot: Auctioneer is currently under re-write`
`21:27.07`	`Kirov`	`wouldn't that be a re-re-re-rewite?`
`21:27.15`	`Kirov`	`Give or take a re`
`21:27.22`	`cogwheel`	`ahhhhhhh C.... int integer = * ( (int*) &floatingPoint ); can't really say i miss it much....`
`21:27.29`	`Qzot`	`Um. Any hope for getting it into the current version?`
`21:27.41`	`Laric`	`MentalPower is there a possibility that auctioneer will show your the pricing per 1? so one can easily compare the prices?`
`21:28.13`	`MentalPower`	`Qzot: Nop, the current 3.8 branch is closed.`
`21:28.33`	`MentalPower`	`Laric: its there in the search Auctions tab "Price Per"`
`21:28.57`	`Laric`	`but not in browse mode?`
`21:42.57`	`cogwheel`	`umm.... O.O http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/09/20/1552236`
`21:43.40`	`Qzot`	`MentalPower: :(`
`21:44.00`	`MentalPower`	`Qzot: yes?`
`21:44.11`	`Qzot`	`MentalPower: http://www.auctioneeraddon.com/trac/ticket/1041#preview`
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`22:01.52`	`ckknight`	`hey all`
`22:02.07`	`Kirov`	`lo`
`22:02.18`	`cogwheel`	`hi`
`22:02.25`	`Gryphen`	`heya`
`22:02.43`	`thr`	`why won this work:`
`22:02.51`	`thr`	`SendChatMessage(msg, "CHANNEL", nil, GetChannelName(chan))`
`22:02.51`	`thr`	`?`
`22:03.09`	`thr`	`oh`
`22:03.10`	`thr`	`I know`
`22:03.11`	`thr`	`;P`
`22:03.12`	`thr`	`forget it`
`22:03.15`	`cogwheel`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/API_SendChatMessage`
`22:03.23`	`cogwheel`	`sry.. too late ;)`
`22:04.22`	`cogwheel`	`i love how GetChannelName returns the channel number as it's first result :\`
`22:04.53`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`Well, Vista runs my games well :D`
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`22:05.24`	`Kirochi`	`hi there`
`22:05.39`	`zenzelezz`	`where?`
`22:05.44`	`Kirochi`	`here`
`22:05.50`	`zenzelezz`	`hi`
`22:05.51`	`Kirochi`	`where else ? =p`
`22:05.57`	`Gryphen`	`heya`
`22:06.30`	`Kirochi`	`I'm sorry but I got my 60 levels farming and I didn't complete the mona`
`22:06.54`	`Kirochi`	`therefore I don't know if fairbanks (the undead) is a killable boss or not`
`22:08.25`	`Kirochi`	`can you tell me ?`
`22:08.59`	`Kirov`	`erm`
`22:09.59`	`Kirov`	`wow.allakhazam.com`
`22:10.03`	`TS\|Skrom`	`cogwheel Doesn't that just make it easier? You could do SendChatMessage("msg","CHANNEL","Common",GetChannelName("General"))`
`22:10.26`	`TS\|Skrom`	`course that assumes they'd ALWAYS have general as a channel :)`
`22:10.39`	`cogwheel`	`yes, but the function is called GetChannelName and its first return is a number :\`
`22:10.42`	`Kirochi`	`...`
`22:10.45`	`Kirochi`	`thx anyaway`
`22:10.45`	`TS\|Skrom`	`oh hehe`
`22:10.56`	`TS\|Skrom`	`that's true cogwheel`
`22:15.10`	`Cide`	`Kirochi: yes, you can kill fairbanks`
`22:15.45`	`Kirochi`	`thx`
`22:21.52`	`*** join/#wowi-lounge JoshBorke (n=Josh@r35h14.res.gatech.edu)`
`22:22.45`	`Kirkburn\|Vista`	`Have any of you heard of the UK car program Top Gear? For those who have: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/north_yorkshire/5365676.stm :(`
`22:24.06`	`Kirov`	`eek`
`22:24.35`	`Kirov`	`I guess it's James' turn to drive.`
`22:24.40`	`Industrial`	`yeah topgears fun`
`22:25.05`	`Industrial`	`ohhh shit richard hammond got smashed?`
`22:25.18`	`cogwheel`	`What's with TV hosts these days?`
`22:25.22`	`cogwheel`	`First Steve Irwin...`
`22:25.38`	`Kirov`	`Well, Richard Hammond isn't dead yet. :P`
`22:25.44`	`cogwheel`	`true, but still`
`22:25.49`	`Kirov`	`Lets try to keep _some_ hope`
`22:26.13`	`cogwheel`	`Well, i mean, is barbara walters going to get attacked by some guest she's interviewing next?`
`22:26.22`	`Kirov`	`cogwheel - gaud I hope so`
`22:26.29`	`Kirov`	`she's, what 143 now?`
`22:26.48`	`jaxdahl`	`how do i use {{llegendary}} with [[REALLY LONG NAME\|Shortname]] /`
`22:26.54`	`cogwheel`	`Ooooh! I know... the Ball is actually going to fall onto Dick Clark this new years....`
`22:27.21`	`Kirov`	`cogwheel - that won't be a problem either. They've got a couple clones.`
`22:27.35`	`Kirov`	`The one on TV is just an automaton anyways`
`22:27.47`	`cogwheel`	`on a more possible note, i hope nothing happens to the Mythbusters...`
`22:28.01`	`Kirov`	`hmm... true`
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`22:29.05`	`Kirov`	`it'd probably be some crazy fluke where Jamie gets hurt.`
`22:29.15`	`Kirov`	`by, oddly, no fault of Adam`
`22:29.28`	`cogwheel`	`was just gonna say...`
`22:29.33`	`Kirochi`	`doesn't [[{{llegendary\|LONG NAME}}\|Short one]] work ?`
`22:30.43`	`jaxdahl`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Jaxdahl`
`22:31.39`	`Kirochi`	`Aw`
`22:31.40`	`Kirochi`	`I see`
`22:31.42`	`Kirochi`	`hum`
`22:32.09`	`Kirochi`	`rename the "andonisus" page with the long name ?`
`22:32.23`	`jaxdahl`	`this is atiesh`
`22:32.36`	`jaxdahl`	`which is ambiguous`
`22:32.49`	`jaxdahl`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Atiesh`
`22:33.21`	`Kirochi`	`ah`
`22:33.22`	`Kirochi`	`fine`
`22:33.27`	`Kirochi`	`hummmm`
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`22:34.10`	`cogwheel`	`I'm really disappointed with 1.12. Back in 1.11, I could start up WoW in windowed mode and put other apps in front of it. Then I could shrink the window and while I was shrinking it, the graphics wouldn't update so all the windows in front of it would still be displayed. Now it brings it to focus first so it's harder to hide that i'm starting it up at work...`
`22:34.14`	`cogwheel`	`;)`
`22:34.34`	`Kirochi`	`WOW in windowed mode ?`
`22:34.36`	`Kirochi`	`Oo`
`22:34.44`	`cogwheel`	`<3 windowed mode...`
`22:34.48`	`cogwheel`	`dual monitors 4tw!`
`22:34.50`	`Kirochi`	`awwww`
`22:34.52`	`Kirochi`	`yup`
`22:35.27`	`cogwheel`	`and it runs like crap on my work computer in fullscreen since it's 1920x1200 on a radeon 9800 ;)`
`22:35.51`	`Kirochi`	`:p`
`22:36.18`	`Kirochi`	`jax ==> differentiate hand of sargeras and greatstaff`
`22:37.55`	`hebeledub`	`Hi, I've been using DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME and just wondered what it is? A constant, a object or alias? I (think I) browsed all of wowwiki, but couldn't find any definition for it. Although it's on many many examples on the site. So any clue? And what else is there like DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME`
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`22:38.46`	`Kirochi`	`aw, what an issue`
`22:39.09`	`Cide`	`hebeledub: it's defined as a reference to ChatFrame1 in ChatFrame.lua`
`22:40.25`	`Iriel`	`It looks like the remains (or beginnings) of a much more complex chat window implementation`
`22:40.54`	`hebeledub`	`thx :)`
`22:41.15`	`cogwheel`	`hebeledub: FYI, you may want to review the lua manual... I think you're overcomplicating your understanding of variables :)`
`22:41.26`	`cogwheel`	`once you get the hang of them, it all becomes much simpler`
`22:43.06`	`hebeledub`	`cogwell: ok, i'll do it first in the morning, for now, good night to all :)`
`22:43.18`	`cogwheel`	`night :)`
`22:44.53`	`cogwheel`	`one of these days i really need to memorize that proverb... the one about fish and self-reliance...`
`22:45.28`	`Qzot`	`"Fish and visitors can be relied upon to stink after 3 days."`
`22:45.34`	`cogwheel`	`Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today. Teach a man to fish; and you will not have to listen to his incessant whining about how hungry he is.`
`22:45.53`	`Iriel`	`"it's illegal to fry visitors, but you can fry fish all you want, unless they're someone else's"`
`22:45.58`	`cogwheel`	`“Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today. Teach a man to fish; and you can sell him fishing equipment.”`
`22:47.11`	`cogwheel`	`“Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime. Unless he doesn't like sushi—then you also have to teach him to cook.”`
`22:48.22`	`cogwheel`	`oooooh.... i want to donate to http://www.teachamantofish.org.uk/`
`22:50.11`	`cogwheel`	`Seriously, though, i think that proverb will be my new forum signature...`
`22:50.18`	`cogwheel`	`if the forums ever come back /cry`
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`22:52.59`	`ckknight`	`Give a man a fish, you feed him for today. Teach a man to fish, and you've lost your market base.`
`22:54.27`	`Kirov`	`hehe`
`22:55.02`	`cogwheel`	`Build a man a fire, he's warm for a day. Set a man on fire, he's warm for the rest of his life.`
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`22:56.43`	`cogwheel`	`Give a woman a fish and you'll be sleeping on the couch`
`22:57.27`	`ckknight`	`hehe`
`22:57.31`	`ckknight`	`another good one`
`22:57.56`	`cogwheel`	`awful one incoming...`
`22:57.58`	`cogwheel`	`Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day. Give a man religion and he'll starve to death praying for a fish.`
`23:01.06`	`ckknight`	`hehe`
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`23:13.07`	`cogwheel`	`http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/somerset/5334208.stm`
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`23:15.57`	`Qzot`	`Another idea I've had, completely separate, is to have a "magic viewing portal", say, in the magic quarter of IF...`
`23:16.33`	`Qzot`	`That randomly gives a view of raids in instances, esp in boss fights.`
`23:17.47`	`Qzot`	`Guilds really want a way to show what they're up to, and I think it would be fascinating to be able to look in on them.`
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`23:19.17`	`Iriel`	`that could be pretty damn cool if done well`
`23:19.54`	`cogwheel`	`it would be like some sort of public remote mind vision thing...`
`23:19.57`	`Qzot`	`All the models, textures, etc, are already on the client.`
`23:20.03`	`Qzot`	`Exactly.`
`23:20.10`	`Xuerian`	`Just like guildwars does.`
`23:20.14`	`Qzot`	`Might be nice to add a bit of transparency.`
`23:20.27`	`Qzot`	`Hmph. Didn't know about guildwars. Rats.`
`23:20.35`	`Mery`	`"lets go and crash <random guild name to look up to> today by mass viewing their raid"`
`23:20.45`	`Qzot`	`I like to pee on these kinds of ideas, but not if they're already marked. :D`
`23:20.51`	`Xuerian`	`Well, guildwars is based around PVP, so you can view PVP tourneys with a five-minute delay on data :)`
`23:21.08`	`Qzot`	`Ah.`
`23:21.19`	`Xuerian`	`Similar, so just like similar to`
`23:21.20`	`Qzot`	`I'd prefer real-time.`
`23:21.21`	`Xuerian`	`:p`
`23:21.31`	`Qzot`	`But the client gets no choice as to what to view.`
`23:21.36`	`Xuerian`	`Well, that wouldn't be a problem if you were watching instance raids, the 5-minute is for PVP fairness`
`23:21.41`	`Qzot`	`So the server is sending the same data to anyone in a city.`
`23:22.20`	`Qzot`	`My point is: By giving the client no choice, you eliminate an NxM problem.`
`23:22.37`	`Qzot`	`And the chance that people could choose to crash someone else's raid, for example.`
`23:22.47`	`cogwheel`	`http://www.trustedreviews.com/article.aspx?art=3448`
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`23:25.17`	`Qzot`	`Only available in UK? :( I was going to order some.`
`23:26.08`	`Mery`	`well one thing to solve then would be the combat log, since if everybody gets the same data, then its either all combat log or none at all (whcih would probably be best to not spoil everything, like if you don't see how hard my frostbolt hit then you don't know which rank i used)`
`23:26.20`	`Qzot`	`One twist: If bosses didn't turn so immediately, it would be interesting if the camera viewpoint was from their eyeballs.`
`23:26.42`	`Qzot`	`Mery: I assume no combat log.`
`23:27.25`	`Qzot`	`The game is simply shipping locations/textures/models/animations to display.`
`23:28.21`	`cogwheel`	`ummm.... http://www.recordonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060919/NEWS/609190319`
`23:28.52`	`Qzot`	`Froogle doesn't know about USBCell. :(`
`23:29.21`	`cogwheel`	`they were just announced today`
`23:29.34`	`cogwheel`	`wait... no that's the review...`
`23:29.37`	`cogwheel`	`hmmm...`
`23:29.48`	`Qzot`	`http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/09/20/2046223`
`23:30.00`	`cogwheel`	`yeah. that's where i saw it ;)`
`23:30.20`	`Qzot`	`You can order them from the company if you're in the UK.`
`23:30.31`	`JoshBorke`	`woohoo! i have text!`
`23:30.32`	`cogwheel`	`Oh Kirkburn .... ;)`
`23:30.37`	`Qzot`	`I'll have to beg alice taylor to buy me some.`
`23:30.46`	`cogwheel`	`oops ... time to go...`
`23:30.52`	`Kirkburn`	`?`
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`23:31.28`	`Kirov`	`JoshBorke - a bug I noticed in HealWatch, btw, is that the last letter of some names were getting clipped off`
`23:31.49`	`JoshBorke`	`don't use scaling :_P`
`23:31.55`	`Kirov`	`With out scaling`
`23:32.14`	`Kirov`	`My priest's name is Brodrick.`
`23:32.28`	`Kirov`	`When I cast a heal on myself I'd see [Brodric ]`
`23:33.41`	`JoshBorke`	`hm`
`23:33.44`	`JoshBorke`	`that's odd`
`23:33.48`	`JoshBorke`	`because my paladin is Hamarian`
`23:34.03`	`JoshBorke`	`let me try without any ui scaling too`
`23:34.58`	`JoshBorke`	`what resolution?`
`23:35.30`	`JoshBorke`	`which part gets cut off?`
`23:36.01`	`Kirov`	`just the last letter`
`23:36.08`	`Kirov`	`wasn't consistant though`
`23:36.16`	`JoshBorke`	`is it your cast bar or your label bar?`
`23:36.29`	`Kirov`	`well, it always happend when I selected myself or another player, but didn't appear to happen on NPCs`
`23:36.35`	`Kirov`	`likely a fluke`
`23:36.37`	`Kirov`	`label`
`23:36.48`	`JoshBorke`	`there should be plenty of room on the label`
`23:37.10`	`Kirov`	`Yeah, there is`
`23:37.15`	`Kirov`	`And it's getting cut off.`
`23:37.18`	`JoshBorke`	`which makes it odder`
`23:37.39`	`Kirov`	`It's not a "Brodric..." it's "Brodric"`
`23:37.55`	`JoshBorke`	`yea, which means my widths are wrong`
`23:38.01`	`Kirov`	`Happened on the few people I saw around me.`
`23:38.20`	`Kirov`	`But not the barmaid or the innkeeper names`
`23:38.29`	`thr`	`hmm`
`23:38.39`	`thr`	`is it posible to know how long untill a debuff runs out on a target?`
`23:38.58`	`Kirov`	`thr - only by knowning the time before hand and keeping track of when a debuff is added.`
`23:39.01`	`thr`	`not code something that does it for you by remember when you applied it.`
`23:39.13`	`thr`	`ah ok, so nothing like GetUnitDebufTimeoutBablablabla()`
`23:39.27`	`Kirov`	`Nope, you can only get times for buffs on yourself.`
`23:39.33`	`JoshBorke`	`Kirov: so it's an issue with the health field being too larg`
`23:39.34`	`thr`	`dang! ;(`
`23:39.52`	`JoshBorke`	`s/larg/large`
`23:39.58`	`JoshBorke`	`which i'll release as a fix in the next version`
`23:40.01`	`Kirov`	`thr - there are a ton of mods devoted to just that.`
`23:40.13`	`JoshBorke`	`Kirov: thanks for the report :-)`
`23:40.16`	`Kirov`	`np`
`23:40.19`	`thr`	`kirov, hmm ok can you point me into the direction of one?`
`23:40.36`	`JoshBorke`	`HostelBar`
`23:41.02`	`Kirov`	`HostelBar, NatrCastBar`
`23:41.39`	`thr`	`hmm ok thnx`
`23:41.39`	`Kirov`	`Sorren's Hunter Timers`
`23:41.39`	`JoshBorke`	`Kirov: when ya gonna use HealWatch for real? :-P`
`23:41.39`	`Kirov`	`Those are also a bit more general in that they do a lot more than just that`
`23:41.44`	`Kirov`	`JoshBorke - when I actually play my priest again`
`23:41.50`	`JoshBorke`	`hehe`
`23:41.50`	`Kirov`	`ie: probably not ever`
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`23:42.00`	`JoshBorke`	`it's useful as a MT too :_D`
`23:42.10`	`Kirov`	`JoshBorke - I'm a hunter`
`23:42.12`	`Kirov`	`I don't get heals`
`23:42.13`	`JoshBorke`	`dps? meh, who heals those guys anyway`
`23:42.15`	`JoshBorke`	`exactly`
`23:42.21`	`Kirov`	`thr - http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/wow/addons-5246-1-wheeltimers.html`
`23:42.46`	`zenzelezz`	`in my guild only the mages get heals`
`23:43.13`	`Kirov`	`zenzelezz - the warriors just use lots of heal pots and shield wall?`
`23:43.53`	`zenzelezz`	`:-p`
`23:44.30`	`zenzelezz`	`we kicked a mage for being an asshat not long ago; she never considered aggro and always whined to healers when she died`
`23:44.37`	`zenzelezz`	`apparently she thought it was a conspiracy`
`23:45.04`	`Kirov`	`I get healed, but that's because I'm the guild leader's boyfriend.`
`23:45.10`	`Kirov`	`(and she's a priest)`
`23:45.32`	`zenzelezz`	`so now anyone taking damage and not getting heals pretends to be shouting at the healers how they should forget the MT and heal them`
`23:45.47`	`Kirov`	`Though, oddly, when I actually get healers assigned to me (for pulling Broodlord's room for example) I don't get any heals.`
`23:45.59`	`JoshBorke`	`Kirov: get her to use HealWatch :_P`
`23:46.13`	`Kirov`	`JoshBorke - she uses heal sync. ;)`
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`23:46.45`	`Kirov`	`she also hates mods that don't have a graphical ui`
`23:46.49`	`Kirov`	`(for options)`
`23:46.58`	`JoshBorke`	`i've got menus!`
`23:46.59`	`Kirov`	`heal sync has no options`
`23:49.07`	`JoshBorke`	`so basically you're telling me she hates using healsync but won't switch?`
`23:49.23`	`Kirov`	`no, healsync has no options, so she loves it`
`23:49.26`	`Kirov`	`since it just works`
`23:49.35`	`JoshBorke`	`oh, i see`
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