| 00:13.38 | Cairenn | yay! I'm such a lucky kitty mommy. The mighty huntress just told me alllll about how well she protects me as she brought her trophy to lay at my feet. I'm so fortunate to be protected from the evils of the dirty sock |
| 00:15.36 | zenzelezz | :) |
| 00:15.57 | Kirkburn | heehee |
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| 00:16.30 | malreth | PWOOMPH!! |
| 00:16.36 | Cairenn | hi malreth |
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| 00:32.28 | Cide | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aY_CidIS8YM |
| 00:33.13 | malreth | ah... seen it |
| 00:33.31 | malreth | that chick has... issues |
| 00:33.37 | amro | ATI should go to hell |
| 00:33.37 | Cide | aye |
| 00:33.48 | Xuerian | Yes it should. |
| 00:33.56 | amro | bad bad BAD linux drivers :( |
| 00:34.05 | Xuerian | Bad windows drivers too |
| 00:34.40 | amro | yeah, but not as bad as not having 3d because fglrx doesn't recognize a card its supposed to |
| 00:35.00 | amro | now i gotta boot into windows to run wow |
| 00:35.28 | Xuerian | x.x |
| 00:36.02 | Tuller | guessing a new ati card? |
| 00:36.16 | Kirkburn | This a great stop-motion film, really really good: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYhhfHYZa5s |
| 00:36.46 | Cide | saw that, it is indeed very good |
| 00:38.14 | amro | no, its fairly old, but its supposed to be supporte |
| 00:38.28 | amro | mobility m9 9000 |
| 00:38.46 | Wobin | sigh |
| 00:38.52 | Wobin | that video just brings back bad memories of tech support |
| 00:39.30 | Mikma | g'day |
| 00:39.32 | Mikma | wobster! |
| 00:40.42 | Kirkburn | "What is the PC?" ... "This is the PC" ... "No that's a BOX" ... "Yes the BOX is a PC" ... "That's not what I asked!" |
| 00:42.17 | Kirkburn | Cide, thanks for that :) |
| 00:43.14 | GeoDaMancer | I'm pissed at bother ATI and Nvidia. ~_~ I have an ATI game, should run on my decktop, which has better specs than my laptop which it does run on... But one has an ATI one has an Nvidia. |
| 00:43.16 | Cide | "Is it front or back?" "It's inside", "that's not what I asked! is it front or back?!" |
| 00:43.27 | Kirkburn | hehe |
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| 00:43.42 | Kirkburn | Oooh, this is fun too, in a similar way: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDc_FRD1YcA&NR |
| 00:44.49 | Cide | haha |
| 00:44.51 | Cide | that's awesome |
| 00:45.53 | Wobin | hehe |
| 00:46.02 | Wobin | better to err on the side of pregnant for that question =) |
| 00:46.35 | Thumann | what's the function called when you get into combat? |
| 00:46.48 | Thumann | your med up ability gets removed.. right? or something like that.. |
| 00:47.41 | Tuller | PLAYER_REGEN_DISABLED is the event |
| 00:48.26 | Nasthrak | you'd think they'd make it "PLAYER_IN_COMBAT" or something and that goes and turns off regen too |
| 00:48.37 | Thumann | :) aye |
| 00:49.17 | GeoDaMancer | Yeah, but that's what you get for thinking. : p |
| 00:49.30 | Amro | a lot of event names are like that |
| 00:49.37 | Thumann | PLAYER_ENTER_COMBAT and PLAYER_LEAVE_COMBAT are for *MELEE* combat only. |
| 00:49.45 | Thumann | ^ |
| 00:50.18 | GeoDaMancer | Be back later. |
| 00:50.24 | Amro | possibly because of older functionality that was removed, and devs too lazy to do a find and replace |
| 00:50.30 | Nasthrak | haha |
| 00:50.35 | Nasthrak | I'm leaning towards that one Amro XD |
| 00:52.04 | Kirkburn | Oh this is great: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wgzpmGitQw&NR |
| 00:52.37 | Xuerian | Stop linking those, it makes my dialup hernia =O |
| 00:52.42 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 00:52.50 | Kirkburn | It's short and sweet :) |
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| 00:53.08 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 00:54.40 | Thumann | hmm.. |
| 00:54.44 | Thumann | what's wrong with this? |
| 00:54.44 | Thumann | if PLAYER_REGEN_ENABLED() == TRUE then |
| 00:54.45 | Thumann | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:54.45 | Thumann | end |
| 00:55.10 | malreth | uh... no |
| 00:55.12 | Amro | is that a function? |
| 00:55.12 | Cide | I doubt that's a function |
| 00:55.23 | Amro | you should be registering to the event |
| 00:55.46 | Thumann | argh.. |
| 00:56.06 | malreth | http://www.wowwiki.com/Events_(API) |
| 00:56.07 | zenzelezz | PLAYER_REGEN_ENABLED and PLAYER_REGEN_DISABLED are events that are fired when you leave and enter combat, respectively |
| 00:57.10 | Thumann | aye |
| 00:57.28 | Mikma | R.I.P. Lilo :( |
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| 01:13.20 | FlisherAFK | gotta doublechekc that the bluedragon aura proc or not this event |
| 01:13.32 | FlisherAFK | can we pre-patch our table funciton for 5.1? |
| 01:14.34 | malreth | hmm? |
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| 01:17.27 | Thumann | hmm.. any tutorials on how to create frames/interfaces with lua? (ace) |
| 01:18.24 | malreth | Flisher: you can start using the for k,v in pairs(t) do construct now... you can't use the # operator, however |
| 01:18.57 | GeoDaMancer | No, there are no tutorials that I know of, besides the one on the WoWWiki page that's farily basic. >.> If there is one. Mainly it's picking apart the regular frame code and figuring out how to do it in the lua. |
| 01:19.06 | GeoDaMancer | It takes a lot of /reloadUI xD |
| 01:19.18 | Thumann | GeoDaMancer: hehe.. that part i'm used to.. |
| 01:19.39 | [floyd] | It's /script ReloadUI() </nitpick> ;) |
| 01:19.47 | GeoDaMancer | What do you need to do exactly? |
| 01:19.51 | Tuller | frame = CreateFrame("frameType", "frameName", frameParent[, "inheritedFrame"]) I think |
| 01:19.59 | Thumann | i've been creating my frames/buttons and what not.. in xml.. but i was adviced that writing more or less everything in lua was the way to go |
| 01:20.01 | GeoDaMancer | .. /rl for me thanks. xD |
| 01:20.15 | GeoDaMancer | That's for just creating a frame, but you need to do a lot more than just that. xD |
| 01:20.23 | Tuller | people like making things in lua if they don't like making things in XML :) |
| 01:20.40 | Tuller | the main benefit to lua creation is dynamic frames |
| 01:20.48 | [floyd] | People do things in Lua, if they dislike doing it in Lua less than they would in XML ;) |
| 01:20.49 | GeoDaMancer | Do any of you FF users have a problem with pages trying to load all of the pictures at once, rather than one at a time? |
| 01:22.29 | GeoDaMancer | Is dislike both. xD |
| 01:22.41 | GeoDaMancer | Teh Goe hates all things xml. xD |
| 01:23.30 | Kirkburn | I have the most awesome and confusing fractal as my wallpaper now :P "Mushroom Samba". Crazy. |
| 01:23.46 | GeoDaMancer | Samba Mamba! |
| 01:24.22 | GeoDaMancer | Yay, I need a soul bag, and an enchantment bag now. |
| 01:24.28 | malreth | mushroom samba is the title of a Cowboy Bebop episode |
| 01:24.51 | GeoDaMancer | Oh yeah! |
| 01:24.55 | GeoDaMancer | I love that one. xD |
| 01:25.10 | malreth | nearly everyone's fav episode, too |
| 01:25.12 | GeoDaMancer | Where Ed ends up being the hero of the whole thing... >.> And there's the black coffin guy. xD |
| 01:25.33 | GeoDaMancer | I liked the one with the clown guy. |
| 01:25.37 | Kirov | That's an awesome episode |
| 01:25.41 | Kirov | Mushroom Samba |
| 01:26.29 | Kirov | The clown one is cool too, it's very batman: the animated series |
| 01:26.46 | Kirov | It was also a test episode for the work they ended up doing for the feature |
| 01:27.11 | GeoDaMancer | Yeah. xD I haven't seen the feature, but then I didn't want to until I finished the series. I stopped on episode 20. xD |
| 01:27.47 | Kirov | gaud, doing a real scroll bar for a ScrollingMessageFrame sucks |
| 01:28.13 | Kirov | I can get close, but multi-line messages screw everything |
| 01:28.57 | Flisher | anyone else know a full scale profile scanning addon like rpgoCharacterProfiler? |
| 01:30.14 | Kirov | not released, no |
| 01:30.28 | Amro | warla's is really nice but its not ready yet |
| 01:30.28 | Osagasu | <Kirkburn> I have the most awesome and confusing fractal as my wallpaper now :P "Mushroom Samba". Crazy. <--where'd you get it? |
| 01:30.42 | Amro | http://www.wowledgebase.com/?id=1 |
| 01:39.05 | zenzelezz | pretty |
| 01:46.28 | Kemayo | GeoDaMancer: The feature is set before the end of the series, so you'll be fine watching it before then. |
| 01:47.09 | GeoDaMancer | I have the other five on my computer, I think, but I'm lazy. xD |
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| 01:54.43 | JoshBorke | so, here's a n00b question. how do i keep my frame from moving during SetScale? |
| 01:55.31 | GeoDaMancer | SetPoint(Point, relative, realpoint, x * (Scale), y * (Scale))? |
| 01:56.17 | JoshBorke | hm, so i have to start checking the points now? :-( |
| 01:56.57 | GeoDaMancer | I have no idea. |
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| 02:01.15 | JoshBorke | do you know Kirkburn? |
| 02:01.27 | GeoDaMancer | Nope, never met him. xD |
| 02:01.38 | GeoDaMancer | You might have to repeat your question, Borkster. |
| 02:02.56 | JoshBorke | so, here's a n00b question. how do i keep my frame from moving during SetScale? |
| 02:05.06 | Kirov | My lazy method is using two frames |
| 02:05.13 | Kirov | one I don't scale, and a child frame I do |
| 02:05.53 | GeoDaMancer | I hope some of my Guildies get on soon, I need to bum bags off them. xD |
| 02:06.47 | Kirkburn | Whah, whah? Who took my name in vain? :) |
| 02:06.57 | JoshBorke | Kirov: what do you mean? |
| 02:07.47 | Kirkburn | Osagasu, sorry, went to shower, I'll get the link |
| 02:08.56 | Kirkburn | Mushroom Samba, the wallpaper (dual monitor): http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/3383024/?q=mushroom+samba+boost%3Apopular+age_sigma%3A24h+age_scale%3A5 |
| 02:09.08 | Kirkburn | JoshBorke, why'd you mention me? |
| 02:09.46 | JoshBorke | Kirkburn: thought you might know :-) |
| 02:10.11 | Kirkburn | I got disconnected so I think I may have missed the important sentence :P |
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| 02:12.37 | JoshBorke | it's ok :-) i'm just gonna use Kirov's suggestion |
| 02:14.43 | Flisher | is there a KCitems, but for all stats? |
| 02:15.20 | Flisher | i mean str/agi, gold... |
| 02:19.53 | Kaso | can i do this: fred,bill=1,stuff(fred) |
| 02:20.09 | Kaso | where stuff returns stuff when fred=1 |
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| 02:21.25 | JoshBorke | only if fred was defined before calling stuff |
| 02:22.13 | JoshBorke | but yea, nothing wrong with that syntatically |
| 02:23.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | @_@ certain addons are deciding not to load cause i hit "disable all" on one of my characters :x |
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| 02:23.17 | Kaso | *slight confused* so i cant define the value and use it in the same = statement |
| 02:23.28 | JoshBorke | kaso: no |
| 02:23.40 | Kaso | ok darn, thought i could save some macro chars |
| 02:24.03 | Amro | use lua functions |
| 02:24.09 | GeoDaMancer | Should I just play one of my other characters, or my poor neglected priest who I need to retool? |
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| 02:27.31 | Amro | you should level one of my chars for me |
| 02:28.06 | GeoDaMancer | Who, me? |
| 02:28.32 | Amro | yeah |
| 02:28.53 | ScytheBlade1 | mmkay, TargetUnit("raid6") doesn't necessarily target the first person in group 2. |
| 02:29.12 | ScytheBlade1 | That's horribly depressing, does anyone know of a way to do this? (Target first person in group X) |
| 02:29.14 | Cide | raid id's are not related to position |
| 02:29.15 | Cide | at all |
| 02:29.35 | ScytheBlade1 | As I noticed just now |
| 02:29.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Buffing myself instead of someone in group 2 |
| 02:30.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Do you know of a good way to get access to the position? |
| 02:31.20 | Cide | function getFirstIndex(subgroup) local _, group; for i = 1, GetNumRaidMembers(), 1 do _, _, group = GetRaidRosterInfo(i); if ( group == subgroup ) then return i; end end end |
| 02:31.29 | Cide | TargetUnit("raid"..getFirstIndex(2)) |
| 02:32.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Ohh, that works nicely |
| 02:34.09 | GeoDaMancer | This makes me rather sad. I just started an enchanter, and none of my other characters have green items I can give to him. xD My Blacksmith can make -bunches- but I have to level 'im two more times for it to be worth doing. xD |
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| 02:35.15 | Amro | by contrast, you'd have plenty of green items if you were to level my enchanter xD |
| 02:35.37 | GeoDaMancer | What server are you on? >.> |
| 02:38.12 | GeoDaMancer | And it sucks that Alchemists can't make green items. |
| 02:38.23 | Amro | im j/k. ive got characters all over the place but my main is on magtheridon |
| 02:38.31 | GeoDaMancer | Ahhh |
| 02:39.05 | GeoDaMancer | I was going to say, if they're on Proudmoore I wouldn't be held responsible for missing items, money, or the fact that your character's dead in the middle of Ogrimar. >.> |
| 02:39.21 | Amro | lol |
| 02:39.38 | GeoDaMancer | Or would thunderbluff be more annoying. <.< |
| 02:39.50 | Amro | no, tb would be better |
| 02:40.02 | Amro | more annoying for you to reach |
| 02:40.13 | GeoDaMancer | I'll rmember that. xD |
| 02:40.35 | Amro | i once visited all 3 horde leaders |
| 02:40.36 | GeoDaMancer | Which is harder to reach IF or Darn for the Horde? |
| 02:40.40 | Amro | and aimed shot them each |
| 02:40.48 | GeoDaMancer | Really? HAHAHAH! |
| 02:40.55 | GeoDaMancer | That's great! |
| 02:40.59 | Amro | but i never reached sylvanas actually |
| 02:41.06 | Amro | *way* too many guards |
| 02:41.08 | Amro | more than thrall |
| 02:41.11 | GeoDaMancer | Sylvanas? |
| 02:41.23 | Amro | Dark Lady. UD leader |
| 02:41.30 | GeoDaMancer | Oooh yeah. |
| 02:41.38 | Xuerian | Long pathway with 'leet undead guards. Pain. |
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| 02:41.56 | GeoDaMancer | Well, that's not quite true I had Level 4 UD 'Lock. |
| 02:41.57 | Amro | Cairne was the easiest |
| 02:42.06 | Amro | they changed it |
| 02:42.14 | Amro | there weren't that many guards at release |
| 02:42.22 | Amro | i think htey added them in 1.4 |
| 02:42.24 | Amro | or 1.5 |
| 02:42.37 | GeoDaMancer | Cairne? |
| 02:42.46 | Amro | Cairne Bloodhoof, tauren leader |
| 02:43.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | they need to get rid of civilians in capitals and boost faction boss hp |
| 02:43.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | er |
| 02:43.20 | GeoDaMancer | Bull Sciddit. |
| 02:43.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | s/hp/honor/ |
| 02:43.27 | GeoDaMancer | Oooh. |
| 02:43.31 | GeoDaMancer | Oh, civilians. xD |
| 02:43.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | mega fail :x |
| 02:43.33 | GeoDaMancer | Yes, yes. |
| 02:43.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | they need to get rid of civilians in capitals and boost faction boss honor* |
| 02:43.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | there we go |
| 02:44.21 | Amro | you should get 5000 honor every 5% hp as a reward for surviving the lag |
| 02:44.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | make it not give dks to killers of npcs in capitals, because of the uber guards and players they're pretty well protected against being camped |
| 02:45.08 | Amro | they should remove dks completely |
| 02:45.20 | GeoDaMancer | dks? |
| 02:45.20 | Amro | how is camping an npc more hindering than camping a player? |
| 02:45.25 | Amro | dishonorable kills |
| 02:45.41 | Amro | i mean, quest npcs take all of 2 seconds to respawn |
| 02:45.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | because players dont take 10 minutes to respawn |
| 02:45.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | not really |
| 02:46.03 | Amro | yes really |
| 02:46.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | we were farming refuge point on the ptr and it was taking them a while |
| 02:46.32 | Amro | well that ugly ud guy at the hammerfall entrance respawns in 3 sec |
| 02:46.39 | Amro | i was like wtf i JUST downed him |
| 02:46.41 | GeoDaMancer | That's 'cause people have to run. xD |
| 02:47.06 | Amro | simply put, DKs are dumb. there's notthing wrong with killing quest npcs |
| 02:47.18 | Thrae | I'd still like a bounty system. PCs could post bounties, and NPCs could have their own bounty system. With a NPC bounty on your head, the local guards spawned have a good chance of being elite, and killing a quest giver will spawn an elite guard (let's say they're stealthed). |
| 02:47.19 | Amro | there's little incentive to do so anyway |
| 02:48.06 | Amro | id love to be able to loot people's heads |
| 02:48.09 | Thrae | Amro: I know before the battlefields, the XRoads Quest NPCs were camped on some servers fairly often |
| 02:48.21 | Amro | <Killed by Amro> in the tooltip |
| 02:48.22 | Wobin | Meh |
| 02:48.32 | Wobin | why does basmati rice have to taste like cardboard? |
| 02:48.33 | Thrae | Also Elywnn Forest on the rare servers that had more Horde then Alliance |
| 02:49.13 | Amro | xroads were camped long enough for horde to show up and blast the allies away |
| 02:49.39 | Amro | in any case, camping PLAYERS is more of a hinder to players than camping NPCs |
| 02:49.57 | Amro | on pvp servers, why cant we raid an enemy town? |
| 02:50.04 | Amro | that's the whole point |
| 02:52.55 | GeoDaMancer | Alright, for the one click/press one spell, does that count for triggering your pet to attack too? |
| 03:09.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | ayers than camping NPCs |
| 03:09.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | < |
| 03:09.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | oops |
| 03:10.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | that was an odd way of copying that line |
| 03:10.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | <Amro> on pvp servers, why cant we raid an enemy town? <--You can, you just have to be smart about it or accept the consequences. |
| 03:10.49 | Amro | what i mean is |
| 03:10.56 | Amro | why cant we slaughter everyone? |
| 03:11.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | you can, you just have to accept the consequences |
| 03:11.09 | Amro | ... |
| 03:11.16 | Amro | there shouldnt be consequences |
| 03:11.24 | Amro | because they're your enemies. |
| 03:11.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | why not? blizzard's idea of pvp isn't killing npcs all day |
| 03:11.37 | Amro | i dont want to kill npcs all day |
| 03:11.47 | Amro | i want to kill npcs if i feel like it |
| 03:11.52 | Mr_Rabies2 | you can. |
| 03:11.52 | Amro | i dont want to worry about aoe |
| 03:11.54 | Amro | or multishot |
| 03:12.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | then sounds like Warhammer online's the perfect game for you. |
| 03:12.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | its idea of pvp is closer to yours |
| 03:12.22 | Amro | no |
| 03:12.25 | Amro | you dont get it |
| 03:12.50 | Amro | before 1.4 thats what things were like, and that's what pvp should be like. dishonorable kills dont make sense in this game |
| 03:13.22 | Cairenn | what's not to get? soldiers don't slaughter innocents |
| 03:13.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | not since vietnam at least |
| 03:13.44 | Amro | if you deck out warriors with gear you're not innocent |
| 03:14.00 | Amro | if you stand in the middle of a battlefield and not flee you're not innocent |
| 03:14.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | before vietnam it was SOP to carpet bomb an opposing town |
| 03:14.20 | Amro | if they dont want them to die they can unflag them for pvp |
| 03:14.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | during vietnam the media coverage put a strain on the army and they were ordered to return with a full payload if their specific target was unreachable |
| 03:15.01 | Cairenn | Mr_Rabies2: I said *soldiers*, not policy-makers |
| 03:15.22 | Amro | yeah, orcs and night elves were involved in vietname |
| 03:15.25 | Amro | vietnam* |
| 03:15.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | they were |
| 03:15.37 | Cairenn | the men and women on the front line *never* want to kill civvies |
| 03:15.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | the orcs just blended well and the night elves were shadowmelded |
| 03:16.22 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah, straight up grunts avoided civilians as much as possible since we moved out of the middle ages |
| 03:16.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | well, most of the non-crazy ones |
| 03:17.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | enough comparing a world of people turning into bears and shooting fire from their hands from the real world though |
| 03:18.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | the reason DKs exist currently is because Blizzard wants them to exist. They saw a problem with certain areas being completely empty of people questing because it was impossible to quest there. |
| 03:18.42 | Amro | dude... |
| 03:18.55 | Amro | killing npcs does not prevent people from questing |
| 03:18.58 | Amro | camping people does. |
| 03:19.54 | Amro | they should remove them completely, because they dont make sense the way things are right now |
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| 03:20.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | they should just make all guards oneshot you like UO |
| 03:21.08 | Cairenn | "(11:18:49 PM) Amro: killing npcs does not prevent people from questing" |
| 03:21.12 | Cairenn | I call bullshit |
| 03:21.44 | Amro | well, it only hinders it barely. you dont do your quests right in front of the npcs. you go around killing mobs |
| 03:22.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | but if the npcs are either fighting or dead, you can't turn the quests in. |
| 03:22.12 | Amro | you can wait a bit |
| 03:22.17 | Amro | you can do something else meanwhile |
| 03:22.21 | Cairenn | when you can't get your quests, you can't turn in your quests, you can't buy supplies, you can't repair armour, you can't fly into or out of a zone, you can't ... tell me again how it doesn't impact? |
| 03:22.50 | Amro | since when are guards civilians as well? |
| 03:22.56 | Amro | sounds like guards just sit there and watch |
| 03:23.00 | Amro | also |
| 03:23.04 | Amro | for pvp servers |
| 03:23.14 | Amro | thats the whole point in attacking an enemy town. |
| 03:23.47 | Cairenn | it's a big man that kills civvies, yup |
| 03:23.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | shutting down complete use of the town, and making it a mostly worthless zone? |
| 03:24.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | if you want, you can still raid towns and kill npcs above level 55, 5 levels below you and higher aren't DKs, as far as i can tell. |
| 03:25.04 | Amro | no you cant, because you might aoe a civ |
| 03:25.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | shut down level 55+ npcs and towns people your level care to fight for |
| 03:25.11 | Amro | you cant safely anyway |
| 03:25.55 | Osagasu | Killing NPCs doesn't prevent people from questing because at no point is there only one area that you can get quests from. |
| 03:26.07 | Amro | ^ |
| 03:26.10 | Amro | you can go elsewhere |
| 03:26.18 | Amro | but you cant go anywhere when you're getting camped |
| 03:26.22 | Osagasu | Name one point in the game that there is not at least two zones that you can level in. |
| 03:26.39 | Amro | blizz says its ok to be camped, but its not okay to even kill an npcs |
| 03:26.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | to an extent |
| 03:27.06 | Amro | that doesn't make sense. either implement dishonorable kills fully or dont at all |
| 03:27.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | if you camp someone for excessive amounts of time, you'll be asked to stop, at the least. |
| 03:27.13 | Amro | no you won |
| 03:27.25 | Osagasu | Not on PvP servers. |
| 03:27.26 | ScytheBlade1 | I watched this happen on my brother's computer |
| 03:27.30 | Amro | in fact its on the website. its perfectly okay to camp someone for all eternity |
| 03:27.36 | ScytheBlade1 | His friend was camping a lowbie area next to a cliff |
| 03:27.40 | Amro | on PvE servers you can unflag |
| 03:27.45 | ScytheBlade1 | MC'ing the noobs, throwing them off a cliff |
| 03:27.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Did this for hours |
| 03:27.55 | Amro | lol |
| 03:27.59 | ScytheBlade1 | GM bugged the guy twice, then physically appeared to the guy |
| 03:28.07 | ScytheBlade1 | He MC'd the GM and threw him off the cliff |
| 03:28.08 | Osagasu | Throwing people off cliffs isn't considered good form, no. |
| 03:28.08 | ScytheBlade1 | 8 hour ban |
| 03:28.22 | Osagasu | But that isn't camping them. |
| 03:28.36 | ScytheBlade1 | If is since he did this for three hours. |
| 03:28.45 | ScytheBlade1 | s/If/It/ |
| 03:29.13 | Osagasu | This isn't Counterstrike. Camping has to apply to a specific person. |
| 03:29.17 | Osagasu | or group of people |
| 03:29.25 | Osagasu | I can gamp a group of noobs, I can camp a spawn |
| 03:29.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Group of people. |
| 03:29.42 | Amro | point is, dks suck. they didnt exist pre-1.4 and the game was fine back then |
| 03:29.44 | Osagasu | If those people were coming back up onto the cliff, they deverved it. |
| 03:29.51 | Amro | lol true |
| 03:30.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Unless the GY was behind them, and they had to get past. |
| 03:30.22 | Osagasu | Spirit res ftw? |
| 03:30.24 | Amro | still on a pvp server |
| 03:30.35 | ScytheBlade1 | true @ PvP |
| 03:30.35 | Amro | you should be able to do it |
| 03:30.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | <Amro> point is, dks suck. they didnt exist pre-1.4 and the game was fine back then |
| 03:30.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | honor kills didn't either, did they? |
| 03:30.52 | Amro | nope |
| 03:30.56 | Amro | and the game was all the better for it |
| 03:31.22 | Amro | people pvp'd because they enjoyed it, not because they wanted HKs for gear |
| 03:31.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | so you're saying that it was fun to have only MC and shutting down Hillsbrad all day to do at 60? |
| 03:31.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | oh and crashing the server from massive piles of bodies for making hillsbrad useless |
| 03:31.52 | Osagasu | You're forgetting at least three instances. |
| 03:31.57 | Amro | uh |
| 03:32.01 | Amro | im talking about pvp wise |
| 03:32.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | you said shutting down zones was pvp |
| 03:32.22 | Amro | yes, and it didnt happen |
| 03:32.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah, it did |
| 03:32.29 | Amro | you're confusing it with post 1.4 |
| 03:32.33 | Thrae | Sigh. |
| 03:33.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | there was a time that people said "don't go to HIllsbrad, there's no reason to ever go there because you're going to get camped, and even inbetween camps, you can't even turn in quests" |
| 03:33.31 | Amro | roll on a pve server then |
| 03:33.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | hillsbrad was a dead zone pre 1.4, even on a pve server, because the massive lag made it worthless |
| 03:34.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | unless you wanted massive zerg pvp and dead towns |
| 03:34.17 | Amro | you know what fine |
| 03:34.18 | Amro | fine |
| 03:34.23 | Amro | DKs are awesome |
| 03:34.23 | Amro | ok |
| 03:34.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | they're not awesome, but there's easy ways around it. |
| 03:34.43 | Amro | .... |
| 03:34.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | progressively tougher guards on each kill |
| 03:35.01 | Cairenn | Amro: lose the attitude, people are allowed to have a different opinion than you, geez |
| 03:35.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | more guards once you hit a certain point, faster spawning npcs |
| 03:35.31 | Amro | i just said i dont like dks, didnt want to start an argument |
| 03:35.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | the implementation wasn't the greatest, but it accomplished many of the things they set out to do by implementing them |
| 03:36.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | now, DKs should be disabled in towns because there's always many players and strong guards there. |
| 03:36.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | cities |
| 03:36.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | not towns. |
| 03:38.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | I am a tugboat. |
| 03:40.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm not ruling out disabling dks if they have other means of restoring order to towns after a while than hoping players will care enough about the lowbie towns to stop doing their own thing to save it until another raid shows up and demolishes it |
| 03:42.27 | Amro | rabies, im talking about pvp servers |
| 03:43.19 | Amro | anyway, my whole point was that they implemented dks halfway. |
| 03:44.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | most of the zones people camped were the same on pve as pvp |
| 03:44.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | not Hillsbrad |
| 03:45.02 | Amro | solution: unflag npcs for pvp on pve servers. |
| 03:45.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | but XR is the same on pvp and pve servers |
| 03:45.43 | GeoDaMancer | Right, some people in my guild, 'fore they left, would camp the XRs. |
| 03:46.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | i enjoyed the raids on TM back in the day, but that doesn't mean i wasn't a jackass to the other players for shutting down a major quest zone for the level |
| 03:46.45 | Amro | ah, forget it :) |
| 03:47.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | that was on a pve server, but you'd never see a level 20 there unless they wanted to do what they could to help pvp for the hell of it |
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| 03:48.00 | GeoDaMancer | TM? |
| 03:48.07 | Amro | tarren mill |
| 03:48.49 | GeoDaMancer | I hated that place. |
| 03:48.53 | GeoDaMancer | Seriously. |
| 03:48.58 | GeoDaMancer | It friggin' sucks. |
| 03:49.23 | Amro | lol |
| 03:50.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | i hate leveling until about level 40 on most chars |
| 03:50.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | first time through was fun |
| 03:50.18 | GeoDaMancer | The elite Forsaken guards walk all the way up the road there. So if you're a low level running towards... What'cha call it, the... CRAP! Whatever it's called, the place above Southshore... I always got caught by them, and killed. xD |
| 03:50.24 | Mr_Rabies2 | but the problem was, i did EVERY QUEST i could |
| 03:50.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | even if they were grey |
| 03:50.34 | Mr_Rabies2 | just for the story |
| 03:50.41 | GeoDaMancer | Heheheh. |
| 03:50.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | and that REALLY burned me out the first time through |
| 03:50.52 | GeoDaMancer | Are the Forsaken in this game really evil? |
| 03:50.57 | Amro | the problem was my character had level 20 gear at 40 |
| 03:51.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | not all of them are |
| 03:51.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | the ones that follow the apothecaries are. |
| 03:51.34 | GeoDaMancer | Apothecaries? |
| 03:51.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | They're working on a new plague |
| 03:51.47 | GeoDaMancer | I know they were trying to start a New Plague. |
| 03:51.50 | GeoDaMancer | Ahhhh. |
| 03:52.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | to make everyone else undead |
| 03:52.02 | GeoDaMancer | Tham thare bitches? |
| 03:52.29 | GeoDaMancer | So those are the only evil ones? Can you work for them? xD |
| 03:52.37 | Amro | you do quests for them |
| 03:52.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | some of the undead see that as a good thing, because it's a way to end the prosecution against them cause they look like the things that killed people's best friends |
| 03:53.04 | Amro | what would undead tauren look like? |
| 03:53.06 | Mr_Rabies2 | also they see a new plague as a way to give everyone eternal life |
| 03:53.08 | GeoDaMancer | That's a problem I had with WoW. >.> You can't take sides, really. There's only been one place I've found... |
| 03:53.15 | GeoDaMancer | I have no idea, I've wondered that myself. |
| 03:53.30 | GeoDaMancer | I've only seen turned humans, 'cause that's who lived in the area that the plague started. |
| 03:53.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | high elves lived in those areas too, |
| 03:53.49 | Mr_Rabies2 | but for some reason none of them are represented in wow |
| 03:53.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | well |
| 03:53.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | the ghosts |
| 03:54.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | banshees and ghosts are supposedly some forms of undead higih elves at times |
| 03:54.12 | GeoDaMancer | I think it's 'cause the plague didn't affect them. Human's were weaker than the high elves. xD |
| 03:54.13 | Amro | sylvanas is a high elf |
| 03:54.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah, but she uses a night elf model :[ |
| 03:54.30 | Mr_Rabies2 | she did in wc3 too, so i guess that's not too bad |
| 03:54.40 | GeoDaMancer | I did not know that. |
| 03:54.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | well |
| 03:54.47 | GeoDaMancer | I serially need to get bookworm. xD |
| 03:54.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | in wc3 she used a banshee model |
| 03:54.57 | Amro | yeah |
| 03:55.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | in tft she used a modified huntress model |
| 03:55.02 | Wobin | A Holey Cow? |
| 03:55.02 | Amro | in roc she wasn't important |
| 03:55.13 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah it was just like |
| 03:55.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | hey arthas die |
| 03:55.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | no u |
| 03:55.19 | GeoDaMancer | I need to get the Battle Chest. |
| 03:55.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | owait no you're undead cause you were a bitch to me |
| 03:55.41 | Amro | lol |
| 03:55.42 | Amro | killing her was a side quest |
| 03:55.43 | Mr_Rabies2 | sonofabitch i hate you i'm a banshee you brought me back blah blah |
| 03:55.59 | Mr_Rabies2 | end |
| 03:56.17 | GeoDaMancer | Doink. |
| 03:56.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | tft she's like |
| 03:56.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | REVOLUTION |
| 03:57.20 | Mr_Rabies2 | sylvanas's sister was a hero in WC1 or 2 i think |
| 03:57.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | Alleria I think? |
| 03:57.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | 2 |
| 03:57.56 | Amro | has to be wc2 |
| 03:57.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Alleria_Windrunner |
| 03:57.57 | GeoDaMancer | WC2. |
| 03:58.00 | Amro | no elves in wc1 |
| 03:58.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah |
| 03:58.06 | GeoDaMancer | Yep. |
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| 03:58.22 | GeoDaMancer | WC2, in like the third stage you get the Elven Sea Farers. <.< |
| 03:58.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | she was part of khadgar's expeditionary force to outland |
| 03:59.00 | Mr_Rabies2 | which means she might be allied with the humans for TBC |
| 03:59.04 | Mr_Rabies2 | that'll be incredibly interesting |
| 03:59.11 | Amro | or that she got slaughtered |
| 03:59.28 | Amro | hopefully |
| 03:59.34 | Amro | i dont like high elves |
| 03:59.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | i hope she's allied with the humans still, would be awesome |
| 04:00.23 | Mr_Rabies2 | conflict with the storyline is always cool |
| 04:00.24 | GeoDaMancer | It will be nice to be able to play a horde race that doesn't look like shit. xD |
| 04:00.33 | Amro | lol |
| 04:00.47 | Amro | blood elves are cool though |
| 04:00.54 | GeoDaMancer | That's what I meant. xD |
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| 04:01.14 | GeoDaMancer | Blood Elves ~= "Shit" but Other Horde Races == "Shit" xD |
| 04:01.14 | Amro | too bad you we cant play the ones with illidan |
| 04:01.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | the blood elves = emo kids |
| 04:01.26 | Amro | lol yup |
| 04:01.27 | GeoDaMancer | That's true, which makes me angry. xD |
| 04:01.35 | Amro | but they work for illidan |
| 04:01.38 | Amro | which makes them cool |
| 04:01.51 | GeoDaMancer | Our power is gone... We don't have this, we don't have that.. Wa wa. xD |
| 04:02.06 | GeoDaMancer | How many emo kids does it take to screw in a light bulb? |
| 04:02.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | malfurion could kick the everliving crap out of illidan if he so wanted, but they've got a bit of a nonagression treaty, being bros and all |
| 04:02.31 | GeoDaMancer | Malfurion? |
| 04:02.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | the other half of the Brothers Stormrage |
| 04:02.49 | GeoDaMancer | No clue what that is. xD |
| 04:02.55 | Amro | some uber druid |
| 04:03.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | Archdruid before that bastard Fondle Staghumper took his spot |
| 04:03.09 | Amro | lol |
| 04:03.16 | GeoDaMancer | Malfurion, Malfurion. Oooooh. Yeah, I remember hearing about him. xD |
| 04:03.26 | Amro | hes off dreaming somewhere |
| 04:03.29 | Amro | i hated the bastard |
| 04:03.42 | GeoDaMancer | Inside the Emerald Dream. |
| 04:03.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | he's fighting the emerald nightmare at the moment in the emerald dream ridin around on ysera |
| 04:03.50 | Amro | had a calm voice. too calm considering everyone was getting slaughtered |
| 04:03.59 | GeoDaMancer | Hahahahah. |
| 04:04.05 | Amro | or so he says. ;) |
| 04:04.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | because he knew he could kick arthas's ass up until the point that he realized how far his power fully went |
| 04:04.19 | GeoDaMancer | Maybe he was like one of the SM peoples, you know.. They should die, and let their souls be at rest. xD |
| 04:04.32 | GeoDaMancer | Does Arthas die? |
| 04:04.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | well |
| 04:04.42 | Amro | probably not |
| 04:04.44 | GeoDaMancer | I mean permadead. |
| 04:04.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | he dies the moment he picks up frostmourne technically |
| 04:05.00 | GeoDaMancer | 'Cause I remember hearing he linked with the archlich. |
| 04:05.06 | Amro | he's the lich king now |
| 04:05.11 | Mr_Rabies2 | he took frostmourne hoping that he could control its power and get rid of the legion |
| 04:05.13 | Amro | both of them combined |
| 04:05.22 | Amro | he was such a sissy in wc3 |
| 04:05.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | but then it was too strong and he got to be such a badass |
| 04:05.44 | Amro | yeah and muradin got fragged |
| 04:05.48 | Mr_Rabies2 | cause ner'zhul gave him the peptalks and power of ownage |
| 04:05.51 | Amro | that was funny |
| 04:06.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | illidan got pretty screwed up when he fought arthas |
| 04:07.07 | Amro | well, he IS blind |
| 04:07.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | he's gone completely crazy and thinks he won the fight |
| 04:07.22 | Amro | but even a blind guy shouldnt be dumb enough to land on a sword |
| 04:07.36 | Mr_Rabies2 | and malfurion and he can talk psychically, essentially |
| 04:07.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | and furion said that his thoughts are completely and utterly crazy at this point |
| 04:08.05 | Amro | yeah |
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| 04:08.19 | Amro | they kinda ruined him in wow |
| 04:08.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | [Illidan] Whispers: HAY DOOD YOU SEE MY PVP VIDEO? I SO GANKED ARTHAS, LOLLERS |
| 04:08.36 | Amro | and hes gonna a be a raid boss in tbc |
| 04:08.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | [To Illidan]: Shut up shut up shut up shut up i'm busy |
| 04:08.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | i hope you can't kill him unless some of the heroes intervene |
| 04:09.02 | Amro | you dont kill him |
| 04:09.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's just such a bitch way to go out for one of the strongest things in the universe |
| 04:09.28 | Amro | lol |
| 04:09.39 | Mr_Rabies2 | if you can kill arthas and get frostmourne, i'm quitting the day i learn that |
| 04:09.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | or permakill illidan and get his blades |
| 04:09.58 | Amro | his blades exist ingame |
| 04:10.04 | Amro | as GM weapons |
| 04:10.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah, gm's can spawn them |
| 04:10.20 | Amro | look em up on alla... badass stats |
| 04:10.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | but if they do, they no longer have a job, pretty much |
| 04:10.33 | Amro | gms actually use them |
| 04:10.41 | GeoDaMancer | Is there a way to tell if your party members are in combat? >.> |
| 04:10.51 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://youtube.com/watch?v=eB82pF_64mw |
| 04:10.53 | Amro | you can ask them. :) |
| 04:11.13 | GeoDaMancer | I deserved that answer. |
| 04:11.19 | GeoDaMancer | I mean through the event API. |
| 04:12.02 | Amro | check the list on wowwiki |
| 04:12.10 | Osagasu | You can call an event on whether your party members say yes or no. :P |
| 04:12.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | That fight is amazingly well done for ingame, i wish they would have done it prerendered, but oh wells |
| 04:12.44 | Amro | they were showing off the engine |
| 04:12.53 | Amro | it was really nice anyway |
| 04:13.02 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPuPARv55vE&NR |
| 04:13.04 | Amro | the tft cinematics sucked |
| 04:13.21 | Mr_Rabies2 | most ridiculous gametype for wc3 |
| 04:13.52 | Amro | lol |
| 04:14.25 | Wobin | GeoDaMancer: Have a look at how Tekkub does it in CombatantsFu |
| 04:14.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | i liked the tft cinematics |
| 04:14.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5t_mRwXjcg0 |
| 04:14.40 | Mr_Rabies2 | that one still send chills up my spine |
| 04:14.52 | Amro | there were only two, and not much happened in them |
| 04:15.01 | Amro | roc's were better, and longer |
| 04:15.06 | GeoDaMancer | Nope, I haven't didn't even know it existed. xD |
| 04:15.45 | GeoDaMancer | Any clue where I could get it to examine it? |
| 04:16.36 | Wobin | have a look at svn.wowace.com/files |
| 04:16.55 | GeoDaMancer | Thanks, Wob. |
| 04:18.34 | GeoDaMancer | Holy hells! |
| 04:21.38 | Wobin | PS, that listing is somewhat out of date, but it shouldn't matter for that addon |
| 04:23.54 | Osagasu | [00:14] <Amro> there were only two, and not much happened in them <--on the contrary, two of the biggest turning points in the war happened in them. |
| 04:26.18 | GeoDaMancer | That is rather simple enough. |
| 04:26.31 | Amro | that's not what i meant. i meant action, as in the asskicking seen in roc |
| 04:26.58 | Amro | archimonde blowing up, mannoroth dying, humans and orcs going to battle, etc |
| 04:27.08 | GeoDaMancer | Whoot, Pink Floyd. <.< |
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| 04:30.10 | GeoDaMancer | And, it actually helps me with my other system. xD |
| 04:39.21 | Kirov | do raid targets work in aparty? |
| 04:39.28 | Thrae | Yes. |
| 04:39.50 | Kirov | Only the party leader |
| 04:39.58 | Thrae | Right. |
| 05:01.32 | Cairenn | night guys |
| 05:03.14 | Wobin | Night Cair |
| 05:20.07 | Corr[home] | i just ran BRD with a guild group. wow. that was so much more pleasant than the PuG's i had been using. |
| 05:22.54 | Wobin | isn't it? =0 |
| 05:23.04 | Wobin | It's nice to have competent people in your group =) |
| 05:23.46 | kergoth | brd isnt bad if you dont go at the level most people try going |
| 05:23.51 | zinor | thats true with anything :) |
| 05:23.53 | kergoth | 5 man group of 60s is painless |
| 05:24.00 | Wobin | well yes |
| 05:26.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Sylvanas_Windrunner |
| 05:26.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | "After the high elves defected from the Alliance, she and her Rangers were the primary guard against any would-be attackers on Silvermoon." |
| 05:26.37 | Wobin | ~seen kirkburn |
| 05:26.55 | purl | kirkburn <n=Kirkburn@84-45-141-44.no-dns-yet.enta.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 3h 16m 44s ago, saying: 'I got disconnected so I think I may have missed the important sentence :P'. |
| 05:27.29 | Mr_Rabies2 | when did they defect? they were still part of the alliance when they were blood elves, only Garthios and some of his thugs hated them at that point, and sylvanas was already undead :x |
| 05:27.58 | Amro | hm |
| 05:28.12 | Amro | as far as i know they were allies in roc |
| 05:30.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | they were in tft, and some still are in WoW |
| 05:30.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | only Kael's crew left the alliance as far as i know |
| 05:30.53 | Amro | arthas implied they were allied in wc3 |
| 05:30.59 | Amro | and this is supposed to be before kael |
| 05:32.23 | Amro | In the aftermath, the high elves blamed the human’s poor leadership for the burning of their forests. King Terenas of Lordaeron reminded them that nothing of Quel’Thalas would have remained if not for the hundreds of humans that gave their lives to defend it, but nevertheless, the high elves abandoned the Alliance. |
| 05:32.32 | Amro | from http://www.wowwiki.com/High_elves |
| 05:37.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | hrm |
| 05:38.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | i guess the high elf priests and archers with the humans were just some of the ones that chose to stay |
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| 05:38.46 | Amro | what archers? |
| 05:38.52 | Amro | there were only priests |
| 05:39.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | battle.net's having a problem loading |
| 05:46.10 | Mr_Rabies2 | ah i guess the archers were in the blood elf campaign not the human one |
| 05:47.28 | Wobin | who here has a foreign wow client? |
| 05:49.45 | Wobin | How do foreign language clients deal with nonlocalised addons? |
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| 05:50.49 | Amro | they just use them as is? |
| 05:51.55 | sodaking | the spell/skill names are all in foreig language... |
| 05:51.59 | sodaking | foreign |
| 05:52.04 | sodaking | it would still work?? |
| 05:52.08 | Wobin | I'm just wondering about stuff like chinese clients with a completely different fontset |
| 05:52.48 | Xuerian | From various screenshots of people using the chinese client, I'd say they just use them as-is.. |
| 05:53.06 | Amro | not all addons deal with spells and skills. im guessing they get an error when they try something like cast by name |
| 05:53.39 | sodaking | amro:thats what i am trying to figure out as well |
| 06:03.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | http://www.wowwiki.com/images/4/47/BloodElves.jpg hohoho sephiroth |
| 06:05.58 | Amro | does ITEM_PUSH get fired when you loot something? |
| 06:08.51 | Amro | yes, it does. lucky me |
| 06:13.54 | Osagasu | mmmmh |
| 06:14.07 | Osagasu | God that red hair is sexy. |
| 06:14.11 | Osagasu | Oh well. |
| 06:14.12 | Osagasu | g'night. |
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| 07:12.02 | Kirov | when does OnUpdate happen? |
| 07:12.14 | Xuerian | Every frame? |
| 07:12.21 | Kirov | I should be more specific |
| 07:12.28 | Kirov | with in a single frame, where does OnUpdate happen |
| 07:13.07 | Kirov | does each frame's OnEvent and OnUpdate get called, frame by frame, or does it do all events, then OnUpdate, or is it mixed someplace. |
| 07:13.36 | Wobin | I believe it iterates through the frames calling OnUpdate |
| 07:13.41 | ckknight | hey all, back |
| 07:14.03 | Kirov | Wobin - before or after OnEvents? |
| 07:14.14 | Wobin | No idea I'm afraid |
| 07:14.21 | Wobin | You'll have to ask Iriel or Bela maybe |
| 07:18.38 | Amro | how do you convert a string to a numeric? |
| 07:19.00 | Kirov | tonumber(string) |
| 07:19.07 | Amro | thanks |
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| 07:48.43 | Esamynn | Kirov: see this link for the answer to your question http://www.wowwiki.com/How_UI_Is_Rendered |
| 07:49.17 | Esamynn | events are processed before OnUpate scripts |
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| 07:50.47 | Kirov | excellent |
| 07:51.16 | Esamynn | lots of great information like that in the http://www.wowwiki.com/Category:UI_Technical_Details |
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| 08:01.04 | Esamynn | night all |
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| 08:16.56 | Corr[home] | ah shit i thinki i hit alt tab.. |
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| 08:17.03 | Corr[home] | explorer takes ages to show the taskbar again |
| 08:17.55 | Amro | corr: try using windowed + maximized |
| 08:17.58 | Amro | instant tabout |
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| 08:18.18 | Amro | downside is that it uses your desktop gamma and resolution, so you cant change those |
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| 10:06.46 | jaxdahl | any wiki people around? |
| 10:10.29 | Kirov | doesn't look like it |
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| 10:22.18 | jaxdahl | i added a bunch of info here |
| 10:22.21 | jaxdahl | http://www.wowwiki.com/Corrupted_Ashbringer |
| 10:22.24 | jaxdahl | but it needs to be formatted better |
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| 11:07.18 | Mikma | Warla: gooooooood morning :D |
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| 11:31.29 | Wobin | hm |
| 11:31.37 | Wobin | How do I send a string to the chatwindow editbox? |
| 11:32.45 | Mikma | Wobin: copy the code from ReURL ;) |
| 11:34.54 | Wobin | ChatFrame_OpenChat(url, DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME); |
| 11:34.54 | Wobin | else |
| 11:34.54 | Wobin | ChatFrameEditBox:Insert(url); |
| 11:34.56 | Wobin | cool |
| 11:42.46 | Wobin | Mikma: Have you tried HeyFu yet? |
| 11:43.20 | Mikma | Wobin: you updated it? |
| 11:43.25 | Wobin | yep |
| 11:43.34 | Mikma | ok will test it now |
| 11:43.39 | Wobin | It's now got the storage I'll stick with |
| 11:43.55 | Wobin | so no matter what changes I make from hereon in, the data will propogate |
| 11:47.27 | Mikma | ok checkout done |
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| 11:49.29 | Flisher | Boya |
| 11:50.25 | Flisher | can we use the lua 5.1 "for" sentence in the current lua implemented in wow, or we got to wait expansion to fix that? |
| 12:00.41 | Mery | you mean "for k, v in pairs(myTable) do"? |
| 12:01.22 | Flisher | yes |
| 12:01.23 | Mery | (and yes you can use this and the ipairs(mytable) for only the indexed part already) |
| 12:01.49 | Flisher | basicaly, the only difference is we need to add pairs()? |
| 12:02.00 | Mery | yep |
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| 12:26.30 | Mikma | Wobin: hey, that's a wrong iocon :DDD |
| 12:26.33 | Mikma | icon* |
| 12:26.48 | Mikma | i'll extract the icons and find out the right one |
| 12:26.57 | Mikma | ~framexml |
| 12:27.13 | purl | get the official Blizzard Interface AddOn Kit here: http://www.blizzard.com/support/wow/?id=aww01671p |
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| 12:54.13 | yammygirlcoding | morning all !! |
| 12:54.20 | JoshBorke | hi |
| 12:54.47 | yammygirlcoding | lua version is goin to change? omg ! |
| 12:54.55 | yammygirlcoding | all addons will stop working? |
| 12:55.13 | Kirov | yes, and blizzards UI too |
| 12:55.16 | Kirov | it'll all explode |
| 12:55.19 | yammygirlcoding | omg!! i hate blizz! |
| 12:55.20 | Kirkburn | Not all will be affected, and they won't break if they're updated beforehand :) |
| 12:55.28 | Amro | lol kirov |
| 12:55.38 | yammygirlcoding | hehe |
| 12:55.52 | Amro | its a simple change to make them work, a change that most authors have already implemented |
| 12:55.56 | yammygirlcoding | at least lua 5.1 is easier to code? :p |
| 12:55.57 | Kirov | JoshBorke - is there a reason why the latest version of HealWatch forces the scale to be 3x with no way to change it? |
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| 12:56.13 | Industrial | whats the change, btw |
| 12:56.46 | Amro | cant use for k, v in table do |
| 12:57.06 | Amro | has to be for k, v in pairs/ipairs(table) do |
| 12:57.17 | yammygirlcoding | survey: have u met a china farmer some day? wondered what was his trick to beat the 1k gold a day? I'm wondering here =] |
| 12:57.40 | Flisher | prolly wrong channel for that |
| 12:57.48 | Industrial | why is that anyway |
| 12:57.59 | Industrial | I mean gogo gadget syntactic sugar and noone has to worry? |
| 12:58.03 | yammygirlcoding | i know, just wondering to the cooler wow guys =] |
| 12:58.13 | JoshBorke | Kirov: it's a bug |
| 12:58.19 | JoshBorke | Kirov: i think i'm gonna remove that version |
| 12:58.33 | JoshBorke | Kirov: didn't know anyone actually used HealWatch ;-) |
| 12:59.05 | yammygirlcoding | healwatch actually heals or just shoot 'someone is healing you' ? |
| 12:59.38 | Kirov | JoshBorke - I don't, I'm just hopeful it'll someday work |
| 13:00.18 | JoshBorke | HealWatch just shows you heals |
| 13:00.35 | JoshBorke | Kirov: what doesn't work about it? |
| 13:01.17 | Kirov | well it's 3x too big |
| 13:01.21 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 13:01.46 | JoshBorke | anyway, gotta go |
| 13:01.47 | JoshBorke | bye |
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| 13:01.54 | Kirov | and I ran in to a nasty bug running it on my hunter, it freaked out when I tried to to hide it and wouldn't let me click on it, then slowly more and more of my screen would refuse to accept a click. |
| 13:01.55 | Kirov | doh |
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| 13:16.00 | Kirov | ckknight - do you "own" AceEvent? |
| 13:16.21 | Wobin | if anyone can be said to own it, it'd be ckknight |
| 13:22.01 | KaeltenAway | um, no. |
| 13:22.24 | KaeltenAway | AceEvent is part of the AceProject, so as project lead, I own it. |
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| 13:23.14 | KaeltenAway | the ace project is fairly open source, but its still a controlled project, and that control is me. :) |
| 13:23.37 | KaeltenAway | Kirov: does that help answer the question? |
| 13:25.46 | Kirov | KaeltenAway - ok, so I'm doing something a little odd. I'm hooking UnitHealth to return a different value for hunters who are FD (estimating their current health). I don't want the regen calculations to be called every time UnitHealth is called, but I can't do it at UNIT_HEALTH either because of frame event order issues. |
| 13:26.23 | KaeltenAway | hrm, I havn't dealt much with UnitHealth |
| 13:26.24 | Kirov | Instead I cache the regen value for a frame then clear it using an OnUpdate (which then gets nilled) |
| 13:26.37 | KaeltenAway | tried making a post in our forums? |
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| 13:26.56 | Kirov | I'm mainly doing a dummy check here. |
| 13:27.15 | Kirov | Would a "next update" be a valid thing to add to AceEvent, or should I use Metrognome with a 0 timer |
| 13:28.04 | KaeltenAway | hrm |
| 13:28.15 | Kirov | a 0 timer seems like a waste |
| 13:28.17 | KaeltenAway | not sure, have you looked at the bucketed events? |
| 13:28.39 | KaeltenAway | I would help more but I gotta run out to go to work |
| 13:28.41 | Kirov | not sure what you mean by that |
| 13:29.01 | KaeltenAway | check the wowace channel, or the wowace forums though, I'm sure someone will give a hand and if not I'll check tonight when I get home |
| 13:29.03 | KaeltenAway | :) |
| 13:29.12 | Kirov | *reads the wiki |
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| 13:42.05 | Kirkburn | Btw, someone from Ace may want to update this page: http://www.wowwiki.com/Ace |
| 13:42.38 | Wobin | update? |
| 13:42.46 | Wobin | ah |
| 13:42.50 | Wobin | public beta etc etc |
| 13:42.53 | Wobin | well it kinda is |
| 13:45.07 | Kirkburn | It might be best if it mainly linked to the Ace wiki rather than attempting to host Ace info on the wowwiki |
| 13:45.40 | Kirkburn | (so it doesn't need updating as much) |
| 13:49.39 | Wobin | Hum |
| 13:49.43 | Wobin | I thought we weren't allowed to do that |
| 13:49.56 | Wobin | Which is why we went that path |
| 13:50.42 | Kirkburn | Well, I'm not saying just have a link saying 'go here', but that it would be better if the individual addon info was linked elsewhere |
| 13:52.58 | Wobin | hm, have a chat to either ck, or Tekkub/hyperchip |
| 13:57.55 | Kirkburn | (actually I take that back, the stuff is already Ace2, the info just needs updating) |
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| 14:29.48 | [floyd] | Can I have module local data declared in SavedVariables? |
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| 14:33.19 | clad|drinking | [floyd]: Not entirely sure what you mean |
| 14:34.15 | Flisher | I think he mean local tata |
| 14:34.25 | Flisher | and tata is a saved variable |
| 14:34.29 | [floyd] | clad|drinking: If you declare something like "local MyList = {};" at global scope, can you specify it in the SaveVariables statement of the .toc? |
| 14:34.47 | clad|drinking | [floyd]: No, it needs to be in the global environment |
| 14:34.59 | [floyd] | Thought so, thanks for confirmation. |
| 14:35.02 | clad|drinking | You can make a local binding to it, i.e. make it in the SavedVariable, and then do something like this: |
| 14:35.31 | clad|drinking | if not MySavedVariable then MySavedVariable = {} end |
| 14:35.31 | clad|drinking | local opt = MySavedVariable |
| 14:36.00 | cladhaire | O.o |
| 14:36.03 | [floyd] | Great, thanks a lot! |
| 14:36.05 | cladhaire | what is SVNBot? |
| 14:37.23 | nevcairiel | it zips addons from the svn |
| 14:37.45 | Flisher | wich SVN? |
| 14:38.00 | Wobin | AceSVN |
| 14:38.16 | nevcairiel | i think its Thraes creation |
| 14:38.49 | [floyd] | There's SetMapToCurrentZone() -- is there something similar to set the map to any arbitrary zone? |
| 14:38.59 | Xuerian | Used to be ThraeBot. Zips SVN files and caches them, so people in the IRC channel can request them and only pull off svn once |
| 14:39.27 | cladhaire | k.. he mentioned something, but didn't mention it was an irc bot... SVNBot sent me a PM |
| 14:39.33 | Flisher | I'm used to explorer SVN extension |
| 14:39.44 | cladhaire | Flisher: Well, get used to not using it. |
| 14:40.07 | Flisher | I'm not in the ace community soo I guess I'm ok |
| 14:40.12 | wereHamster | is SVN finally closed for he pulic? |
| 14:40.13 | Xuerian | Let's see... |
| 14:40.20 | Xuerian | !root Sprocket |
| 14:40.35 | Wobin | hehe SVNBOT seems undiscriminating in his privmsgs |
| 14:40.39 | Xuerian | No luv for me svnbot? >_< |
| 14:40.52 | nevcairiel | its !trunk |
| 14:40.55 | Xuerian | oh. |
| 14:40.58 | Xuerian | XD |
| 14:41.05 | Xuerian | !trunk Sprocket |
| 14:41.07 | Flisher | are all acegui stuff integrated in 1 interface, or all addons got their own gui? |
| 14:41.07 | SVNBot | You can already find the latest revision of Sprocket at http://www.matts-hosting.com/addons/root/trunk/Sprocket/ |
| 14:41.11 | Xuerian | Wee! |
| 14:41.19 | cladhaire | wereHamster: It will be |
| 14:42.19 | Flisher | cause I already have a gui panel, soo I guess i don't need AceGui unless it's a centralized gui for multiple addons. |
| 14:42.27 | cladhaire | Well the SVNBot is perfect for what we're trying to do |
| 14:42.36 | cladhaire | Flisher: AceGUI is a library for creating GUI's, that's all |
| 14:42.46 | cladhaire | !branches PerfectRaid |
| 14:43.15 | Flisher | ok |
| 14:43.29 | nevcairiel | not sure if branches works :) |
| 14:43.38 | Xuerian | They do, I think... |
| 14:43.44 | Flisher | any AceThing for a centralized addons management like Khaos? |
| 14:43.45 | Xuerian | He added them last night |
| 14:43.59 | SVNBot | The latest revision of PerfectRaid is now zipped up at http://www.matts-hosting.com/addons/root/branches/PerfectRaid/ |
| 14:44.02 | Xuerian | :) |
| 14:44.24 | nevcairiel | ah :) |
| 14:45.11 | cladhaire | Umm... what branch of PerfectRaid? |
| 14:45.12 | cladhaire | lol |
| 14:45.16 | nevcairiel | all |
| 14:45.17 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 14:45.18 | cladhaire | there are three I think |
| 14:45.23 | cladhaire | eew.. thats wasteful :P |
| 14:45.44 | cladhaire | SVNBot seems to trigger on some weird things..keeps sending me tells |
| 14:45.54 | nevcairiel | yea its a bit bugged |
| 14:47.12 | cladhaire | hahah http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzO1mCAVyMw |
| 14:51.55 | nevcairiel | someone got bored. |
| 14:52.02 | nevcairiel | who spents so much time doing that? |
| 14:53.28 | cladhaire | its funny |
| 14:57.46 | Flisher | agreed |
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| 14:58.35 | Cide | cladhaire: that's awesome |
| 15:00.09 | cladhaire | Cide: I laughed, quite a bit :P |
| 15:00.13 | Cide | yeah |
| 15:03.04 | cladhaire | and its so true :P |
| 15:04.02 | Cide | yep :) |
| 15:18.33 | [floyd] | Weird... I have 2 files, myaddon.lua and utils.lua. And I can't seem to access any functions declared in utils.lua from myaddon.lua. Anything I missed? |
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| 15:19.50 | [floyd] | Also, none of the objects in utils.lua are saved. I'm lost :/ |
| 15:20.31 | krka | what's wrong with this? |
| 15:20.48 | krka | desEnv.f = desFun setfenv(f, desEnv) local ret = f() |
| 15:20.54 | krka | lua: [string "return f(2,{1,2,4,x=f(1,{x=f(1)}),[f(2)]=f(..."]:1: attempt to call global 'f' (a nil value) |
| 15:21.52 | wereHamster | setfenv(1, desEnv) ? |
| 15:22.05 | krka | i thought setfenv worked on functions too |
| 15:22.46 | krka | hmm |
| 15:22.49 | krka | i may have been misleading |
| 15:22.52 | krka | this is what i meant |
| 15:23.08 | krka | desEnv.f = desFun setfenv(someFunction, desEnv) local ret = someFunction() |
| 15:23.26 | krka | hm |
| 15:23.37 | wereHamster | but at the time you call setfenv(f, desEnv) 'f' isn't defined |
| 15:23.52 | krka | yes it is |
| 15:24.02 | krka | i'll show the complete code |
| 15:24.32 | krka | http://wowi.pastey.net/863 |
| 15:24.51 | krka | line 26 is where it crashes |
| 15:29.15 | wereHamster | is 'desEnv.f' ever called? |
| 15:30.37 | wereHamster | ah, I see |
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| 15:31.59 | krka | i don't get why it's not working |
| 15:33.00 | wereHamster | doesn't it crash on line 30? |
| 15:33.32 | krka | hmm |
| 15:33.34 | krka | you may be right |
| 15:33.38 | krka | <-- stupid |
| 15:33.40 | krka | thanks |
| 15:34.00 | wereHamster | why do you call 'f' twice? |
| 15:34.03 | krka | my serializer works :) |
| 15:34.08 | krka | line 30 is now return ret |
| 15:34.50 | wereHamster | and what does desFunc do? |
| 15:35.02 | krka | isn't it obvious? :) |
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| 15:35.23 | krka | it creates a table, keeps it in memory and returns it |
| 15:35.37 | krka | _or_, it looks up a table from memory and returns it |
| 15:35.39 | krka | based on the index |
| 15:35.57 | krka | this way, i can serialize/deserialize cyclic table structures |
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| 15:39.54 | Wobin | !trunk FuBar_HeyFu |
| 15:39.55 | SVNBot | The latest revision of FuBar_HeyFu is now zipped up at http://www.matts-hosting.com/addons/root/trunk/FuBar_HeyFu/ |
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| 15:58.14 | cladhaire | How much is the commission hit on the neutral auctino house? |
| 15:58.54 | cladhaire | shit.. its 15% |
| 15:59.21 | Cide | yep |
| 15:59.50 | Mery | makes eBay look cheap lol |
| 16:00.17 | cladhaire | I need to unload my [Hand of Edward the Odd].. but there's no horde on my server |
| 16:00.39 | cladhaire | so its either that, or I transfer some money from alliance to horde so I can buy my AV mount before the crazy change =( |
| 16:02.01 | [floyd] | Crazy change? |
| 16:03.00 | Mery | is there any word yet on how current epic mounts are handled? |
| 16:03.24 | cladhaire | yeah, that's whay i want to buy mine. |
| 16:03.31 | cladhaire | if you have an epic mount,you get the 150 skill for free. |
| 16:03.33 | zenzelezz | you keep it and you'll have the skill required to use it |
| 16:03.46 | cladhaire | the AV mount costs less, and I have the factoin, I just need to get the cash together to buy it. |
| 16:04.06 | Mery | ahh |
| 16:07.57 | Xuerian | Is there any way to tell if the loot frame is from a mob or from fishing/enhanting/container? |
| 16:08.35 | [floyd] | Xuerian: You can track states prior to that, SPELLCAST_XXX is probably what you want. |
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| 17:16.38 | Mikma | anyone has idea how to handle macro-texts on buttons? |
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| 17:22.44 | zinor | It seems I've been an annoyance here (not that I can see how) and Curse Gaming staff aren't wanted in a UI channel specifically because it's Cairenn's playground. Good luck guys. |
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| 17:23.21 | Industrial | bye zeeg |
| 17:23.30 | Industrial | () |
| 17:23.34 | Industrial | (just kidding) |
| 17:25.31 | krka | anyone want to test my serializer? |
| 17:28.00 | ckknight | Industrial, he's not zeeg. |
| 17:28.21 | Kirkburn | ckknight, he is |
| 17:28.44 | ckknight | do you have proof? |
| 17:29.04 | Kirkburn | No I can't link you to anywhere, but it is him |
| 17:29.25 | ckknight | he's a developer on the curse team... |
| 17:29.34 | Kirkburn | Indeed |
| 17:31.50 | Cide | he is indeed the same |
| 17:32.21 | ckknight | how do you know? |
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| 17:33.22 | Cide | a bird told me |
| 17:34.16 | Iriel | He's sent out mail with his real name on it |
| 17:34.23 | Iriel | So he's hardly tried to keep it a secret |
| 17:34.35 | ckknight | ugh |
| 17:34.36 | ckknight | goddammit |
| 17:34.59 | Cide | (15:22:18) (zinor) in case you're wondering, and before you start getting curious as to why all my sites link there, and as its slipped several times and we really don't care anymore, I'm aka zeeg :) |
| 17:35.09 | Kirkburn | Annoying, eh, ckknight :/ |
| 17:35.30 | ckknight | that cheeky bastard. |
| 17:35.42 | Cide | I don't really care as long as he keeps his stupid opinions to himself |
| 17:35.53 | Kirkburn | He's at least been behaving a bit better recently |
| 17:35.54 | Cide | he hasn't really been annoying in here since he changed name, as far as I know |
| 17:37.15 | Cide | oh well. |
| 17:37.18 | Kirkburn | <Risen> are doing well atm - now they've got the world's first Corrupted Ashbringer \o/ |
| 17:37.31 | Cide | they're assholes unfortunately |
| 17:37.43 | Kirkburn | dang |
| 17:37.47 | zenzelezz | Kirkburn: they also got the first Atiesh (completed), didn't they? |
| 17:37.50 | Cide | like, real assholes |
| 17:37.53 | Cide | zenzelezz: yes |
| 17:38.09 | Cide | I used to play on their server (but on horde side; they're alliance) |
| 17:38.44 | Cide | and if there was a PvP exploit of any kind they used it, if a world boss was up they trained mobs, ran in naked on kazzak, etc etc |
| 17:39.26 | ckknight | yea, they can be assholes. I got them to change their whole website paradigm. Curse v3 is gonna look pretty cool |
| 17:39.40 | Cide | I meant risen :) |
| 17:40.11 | ckknight | oh |
| 17:40.17 | ckknight | I was talking about the curse guys |
| 17:40.26 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 17:40.27 | ckknight | which apparently includes zeeg |
| 17:40.41 | krka | Iriel: want to look at my serializer? |
| 17:40.54 | krka | it's pretty cool, handles recursive tables and stuff |
| 17:41.01 | ckknight | krka, lemme see |
| 17:41.08 | ckknight | ;-) |
| 17:42.02 | krka | sure |
| 17:42.22 | Iriel | krka: sure |
| 17:42.26 | krka | http://wowi.pastey.net/869 |
| 17:43.03 | krka | the good thing is that the deserializer is (almost) a plain loadstring operation |
| 17:43.16 | krka | i.e. it serializes to a regular lua string |
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| 17:58.50 | ckknight | [Cu]Werik, what's the issue? |
| 17:59.00 | [Cu]Werik | Issue? Nothing |
| 17:59.29 | [Cu]Werik | I'm just watching:P |
| 18:00.18 | ckknight | then why the poking? |
| 18:01.41 | [Cu]Werik | for the generalization:) |
| 18:02.26 | ckknight | generalization? |
| 18:02.35 | ckknight | oh |
| 18:02.40 | ckknight | I was talking about the curse devs |
| 18:02.52 | ckknight | such as the guys who admin and create the website |
| 18:02.56 | [Cu]Werik | yea |
| 18:03.04 | [Cu]Werik | like me;P |
| 18:03.19 | ckknight | oh |
| 18:03.41 | ckknight | if you don't want the generalization, then tame the others. |
| 18:04.07 | [Cu]Werik | ahh |
| 18:04.12 | Kaso | has anyone noticed odd behavour with CancelPlayerBuff() and Tooltip:SetUnitBuff |
| 18:05.51 | Iriel | Odd how? |
| 18:06.13 | Kaso | most of the time when cancling i need to use SetUnitBuff's index - 1 but sometimes it cancels the wrong buff |
| 18:06.29 | Iriel | That's because it's CancelPLAYERBuff and SetUNITBuff |
| 18:06.35 | Iriel | Maybe you should try SetPLAYERBuff instead |
| 18:06.47 | Iriel | Player buffs have different indexes than unit buffs (even if unit is player) |
| 18:06.52 | ckknight | yea, Iriel's got it right. |
| 18:07.16 | Kaso | hmm |
| 18:07.31 | Cide | consistent behavior = win! :) |
| 18:07.48 | Thrae | It's just a zero-index vs a 1-index I believe |
| 18:07.55 | Cide | doesn't make it very consistent |
| 18:08.07 | Kaso | you know i never saw SetPlayerBuff before |
| 18:08.09 | Kaso | how odd |
| 18:08.11 | Kaso | well, thanks |
| 18:08.47 | Thrae | Using CancelPlayerBuff along with UnitBuff has always worked once I subtracted 1 from the index |
| 18:09.33 | Kaso | it works for me most of the time too, but my guildie has complained about loosing buffs witha script i wrote |
| 18:10.26 | Iriel | Thrae: That's not safe |
| 18:10.37 | Iriel | Thrae: Some player buffs dont show up as UnitBuffs |
| 18:10.46 | Iriel | Thrae: But I can't remember which ones, offhand |
| 18:10.59 | Thrae | Iriel: Oh? I didn't know that. Are you referring to weapon buffs? |
| 18:11.30 | Iriel | No, weapon buffs are different, it's some of the user state buffs if I recall correctly |
| 18:12.47 | Kaso | auras perhaps ? |
| 18:16.08 | Iriel | krka - Now the challenge is to make it a pure loadstring result |
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| 18:25.19 | ckknight_ | Outlook Express? |
| 18:25.19 | ckknight_ | ew. |
| 18:25.39 | Cide | I like thunderbird :( |
| 18:27.51 | zenzelezz | Thunderbird <3 |
| 18:28.10 | Kaso | i dont remeber the last time i recived a POP email |
| 18:30.19 | Thrae | Irssi + split windows + wjoin = good |
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| 18:31.20 | Xuerian | hydrairc+channelmonitor+split windows+join commands -fucktarded quit messages = good. Extra channel windows/frames still suck :p |
| 18:34.29 | Xuerian | Kay, I've been staring at this for a day now, any idea why it doesn't work? http://wowi.pastey.net/870 |
| 18:35.18 | Xuerian | s/work/show up/ |
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| 18:43.57 | Tuller | you forgot a semicolon in the setscript part |
| 18:44.38 | Esamynn | Tuller: doesn't matter semi-colons are just windowdressing in lua |
| 18:45.08 | Iriel | Its likely because he forgot to \\ all the \ |
| 18:45.25 | Xuerian | >.> |
| 18:45.32 | Tuller | that too |
| 18:45.45 | Xuerian | Explain the \\'ing of the \'s? >.> |
| 18:45.55 | Tuller | \ is an escape character |
| 18:46.01 | Xuerian | ... |
| 18:46.08 | Tuller | ex \n is a new line |
| 18:46.51 | Xuerian | Can't see something right under meh nose! >< hehe thanks Tuller and Iriel. |
| 18:47.03 | Elessdy | thus, you can't put just \ in a string. it would treat it like an escape character |
| 18:47.38 | Xuerian | Yeah, I know. Just never crossed my mind when I CP'd from the XML :) |
| 18:47.58 | Elessdy | oh wow, i FINALLY remembered the password i used for our guilds' alliance schedule web site |
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| 19:06.58 | krka | Iriel: that's actually not too impossible - just include the function definition that i use with the string |
| 19:08.50 | Iriel | Why is the function necessary? |
| 19:09.07 | Iriel | Compactness? |
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| 19:14.43 | krka | it's needed to handle recursive tables |
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| 19:15.34 | krka | i could do without, but then i'd have to make a much more complex serializer, and do it like this instead: "a={}b={}a[1]=b b[1]=a return a" |
| 19:15.38 | krka | et.c. |
| 19:16.21 | Iriel | well, you could make that a={[1]={}} a[1][1]= a; return a; but yeah |
| 19:17.29 | krka | yeah, but in any case, it gets difficult trying to find the optimal way of doing it |
| 19:18.32 | krka | anyone else got mail from curse-gaming btw? |
| 19:19.46 | Iriel | Yeah. o |
| 19:19.58 | Iriel | I'm going to hold off on commenting on the value (or not) of a second wow dev IRC channel |
| 19:20.26 | krka | i actually proposed a generic #wow-lua / #wow-dev that is completely site-independent |
| 19:20.38 | krka | not really needed atm though |
| 19:20.52 | Cairenn | this is site independent, always has been, always will be |
| 19:21.02 | ckknight | that's why the wowi is in the name? |
| 19:21.02 | Cide | the name isn't quite so, though :) |
| 19:21.11 | krka | well, it's "wowi" and "lounge" :P |
| 19:21.40 | Cairenn | there's your curse gaming addon manager right there, I have no problem with folks from the other sites in here |
| 19:21.53 | ckknight | yea, but he's a goat in the presence of sheep. |
| 19:21.57 | Cairenn | I asked that *zeeg* leave, because I was tired of his disruptions |
| 19:21.58 | krka | yeah i know cair |
| 19:21.59 | ckknight | atypical |
| 19:22.08 | [Cu]Werik | I didn't send any mails |
| 19:22.09 | krka | no offense meant |
| 19:22.29 | Cairenn | none taken |
| 19:22.34 | krka | coolage |
| 19:22.56 | Cairenn | just setting the record straight, from zeeg's little parting shot and the mis-information he chose to present on the news post |
| 19:23.04 | krka | i hang out in #lua too, and from time to time, wow-devs come there to ask for kinda wow-specific questions |
| 19:23.08 | krka | i usually refer them back here |
| 19:23.37 | Iriel | You didn't see the CG email saying that "we" (Curse gaming) were kicked out of the "only Addon Development" (I think he forgot to add "IRC channel" to the end). ? |
| 19:24.01 | Cairenn | no, I didn't get the email |
| 19:24.06 | ckknight | Iriel, the news article was changed, so you know |
| 19:24.12 | Cairenn | as I said, lovely mis-information - they weren't kicked out |
| 19:24.27 | Iriel | As far as I've been able to see every CG person I know of has shown up here at least once, and been welcome with the exception of one, who was a jackass, and wasn't affiliated with curse at the time |
| 19:24.30 | Cairenn | *zeeg* was asked to leave, not curse |
| 19:25.09 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:26.31 | krka | every computer generated person? i thought you ALL were computer generated |
| 19:26.55 | krka | irc is such a sophisticated AI simulator |
| 19:27.38 | wereHamster | why do they think they were kicked out? |
| 19:28.05 | Cairenn | they don't |
| 19:28.07 | Iriel | I imagine that zeeg sent that email |
| 19:28.14 | Cairenn | zeeg is trying to cause drama |
| 19:28.19 | Kirkburn | You mean zinor? ;) |
| 19:28.31 | [Cu]Werik | :| |
| 19:28.34 | Iriel | and it's just the latest in his long line of attempts to gain world domination |
| 19:28.42 | Cairenn | zinor, zeeg, david cramer, whatever name you'd like to call him by |
| 19:28.48 | Cairenn | [Cu]Werik: you tell them |
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| 19:29.01 | Cairenn | [Cu]Werik: you were there for the conversation between NeT and myself |
| 19:29.17 | [Cu]Werik | Well what should I say. I'm working on calming people down on both side but every 15 minutes something happenes and ruins everything |
| 19:29.37 | krka | what are going to do tonight zeeg? - same thing as every night pinky, try to take over the world |
| 19:31.14 | Cide | right now I'm in both channels, but the other one doesn't seem very lua oriented at all right now :P (granted this one isn't at all times, so I'll give it some time) |
| 19:31.14 | Cairenn | Hey, I'm calm. You don't see me screaming or posting anything on WoWI or on CG or in your channel. Folks in here asked what the deal was, I'm setting the record straight. CG wasn't kicked from the channel. I asked NeT to keep zeeg out because I am tired of his disruptions. And golly gee, look at that, his parting shot? another disruption |
| 19:31.25 | Iriel | [Cu]Werik: Don't worry - we dont hold it against your site. |
| 19:31.33 | [Cu]Werik | Some members of CG has issues with people here. But this should stay in private tbh, me personally from CG dont want to loose any good Addon authors because of this crap |
| 19:31.36 | Cide | in any case, I'd rather not be in two channels =/ |
| 19:32.06 | Cairenn | I don't have a problem with the CG site, never did. Silver and I talked a fair bit. She was good people. |
| 19:32.31 | krka | another girl on the internet??? you must be kidding! |
| 19:32.47 | Cide | what? there is only room for one |
| 19:32.50 | Cairenn | you didn't know that? yeah, SilverShadow was rl female too :) |
| 19:32.54 | Cairenn | she was a sweetie |
| 19:33.06 | Cide | I hope you get this settled, Cairenn, or else we're all going down! |
| 19:33.12 | Cairenn | I'm sorry to see her leave CG, they've lost a good person |
| 19:33.17 | Kirkburn | Did she move to another game, or just withdraw? |
| 19:33.45 | Cairenn | I don't know what's happened that has her not there any more ... [Cu]Werik? |
| 19:34.06 | [Cu]Werik | With Silvershadow? |
| 19:34.28 | Cairenn | aye |
| 19:34.34 | [Cu]Werik | It was her choice. She has RL issues |
| 19:35.01 | Kirkburn | Ah, fair enough. Anyways, back on topic, I don't see the value or having more dev channels |
| 19:35.17 | Cairenn | [Cu]Werik: hope all works out for her |
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| 19:35.22 | Kirkburn | Just like I don't see the point in having more UI sites, it spreads everyone too thinly |
| 19:35.36 | ckknight | yea, it would be nice if we had one UI site |
| 19:35.40 | ckknight | and I would be king. |
| 19:35.45 | ckknight | Kirkburn, you can be the prince. |
| 19:36.08 | Kirkburn | Awe, geee, I'll get my assassin dagger ready |
| 19:36.10 | wereHamster | and who's the queen? |
| 19:36.17 | Kirkburn | wait, did I say that out loud? |
| 19:36.18 | ckknight | why, you, wereHamster! |
| 19:36.53 | Kirkburn | Aye, wereHamster, I could sense the longing in his voice |
| 19:36.53 | ckknight | lol |
| 19:38.12 | krka | oooh... exciting! i wonder who will win |
| 19:38.43 | [Cu]Werik | The more sites the better. Competition makes people progress |
| 19:39.09 | Kirkburn | Except that all of the new ones have failed |
| 19:39.23 | ckknight | [Cu]Werik, it also makes it hard for me to put my addons on multiple sites. |
| 19:39.56 | Kirkburn | Cpmetition between 3 is sustainable, but any more is a chore for the user, the addon maker and those who own the sites |
| 19:40.09 | ckknight | 1 is a chore for me. |
| 19:40.22 | Kirkburn | Yeah, I can believe that for you |
| 19:40.23 | [Cu]Werik | That's true, on the other side you have more mirrors for you addons, and a larger playerbase |
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| 19:40.31 | ckknight | if it were easy to support multiple sites, I totally would. |
| 19:40.31 | Kirkburn | (by which I didn't mean you're lazy!) |
| 19:40.37 | ckknight | but it's not, so I consolidated with wowi |
| 19:41.05 | Kirkburn | Any, my personal view is that's quite an unprofessional e-mail |
| 19:41.23 | Kirkburn | *anyway |
| 19:41.35 | Fructose | I'm just starting my first WoW Addon... is there a way to load a previously unloaded addon from within the game? |
| 19:41.36 | wereHamster | let the user download addons from svn.. all those who don't understand how to use svn are too stupid to use my addons |
| 19:41.57 | Xuerian | It seems like something that would grate against Admins, but it would make it easier if there were Redirect class addons, where a author could post a redirect to the addon page of his or her choice, so users could use their favorite site to search and browse the addons hosted there, and authors wouldn't have to update any but the one they liked :P |
| 19:42.10 | ckknight | Fructose, you can't unload addons, so the point is moot |
| 19:42.24 | Cairenn | unprofessional and completely incorrect, if it reads the same as the news post did |
| 19:42.30 | Fructose | ckknight: Please re-read. I never suggested you could unload one. |
| 19:42.54 | wereHamster | "to load a previously unloaded addon" ? |
| 19:43.06 | Xuerian | Fructose, look up Master Control Panel, it allows you to enable/disable mods ingame, but you can only enable Disabled mods, not completely new ones |
| 19:43.06 | Fructose | ckknight: Unloaded... as in, never has been loaded before |
| 19:43.34 | ckknight | that's not the meaning of unloaded |
| 19:43.38 | ckknight | whatever |
| 19:43.40 | ckknight | the answer is yes |
| 19:43.45 | ckknight | see LoadOnDemand addons. |
| 19:44.36 | Fructose | ckknight: Well, I'll try to be less ambiguous, but given that "unloading" one is impossible, I didn't anything anyoen would interpret it that way. :-) |
| 19:44.51 | ckknight | I did |
| 19:45.51 | Fructose | ckknight: The only thing I'm finding are AddOns that are LoadOnDemand enabled |
| 19:46.26 | ckknight | right. |
| 19:46.50 | Fructose | ckknight: I'm trying to do development, so I have no addon yet. I want to write the beginnings of one and try it out without having to restart the game every 5 minutes. |
| 19:47.13 | Xuerian | */console reloadui |
| 19:47.23 | Fructose | Doesn't work for loading one initially. |
| 19:47.41 | Cide | it will work once it has been loaded on startup |
| 19:47.44 | wereHamster | unless you change the toc file reloadui works just fine |
| 19:47.55 | Fructose | Cide: OK |
| 19:48.09 | ckknight | Fructose, /rl |
| 19:48.16 | Xuerian | Reloadui completely reloads all addons that existed in the addon folder AND were enabled when wow started up and logged in respectively |
| 19:48.18 | ckknight | wait, if you don't have ace, that's no good |
| 19:48.23 | ckknight | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:48.39 | Kirkburn | No, no, we must write more methods of reloading the ui! |
| 19:48.51 | Cide | SLASH_RL1 = "/rl" SlashCmdList["RL"] = ConsoleExec("reloadui") |
| 19:48.57 | Cide | err. |
| 19:49.06 | Cide | SlashCmdList["RL"] = function() ConsoleExec("reloadui") end |
| 19:49.14 | ckknight | better: |
| 19:49.23 | Cide | put that in your addon and you will gain access to /rl without any dependencies |
| 19:49.29 | ckknight | SlashCmdList["RL"] = function() ReloadUI() end |
| 19:49.39 | Cide | equivalent, more like it :) |
| 19:49.40 | krka | btw, when i said exciting i was talking about the election in sweden |
| 19:49.51 | Kirkburn | I have a cooler method: 1. Log out. 2. Log in. |
| 19:50.00 | Cide | krka: you think the moderates will win? |
| 19:50.29 | krka | i really dont know atm, according to tv4, s+v+mp is in the lead |
| 19:50.54 | krka | i still think the alliance might win over the horde though |
| 19:51.05 | Kirkburn | What, are the political parties in Sweden: The Moderates, The Extremeists, The Apathetics, The Couchpotatoes, The Pedantics? |
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| 19:51.26 | krka | yes |
| 19:51.28 | ckknight | and the Pirate Party |
| 19:51.30 | ckknight | ;-) |
| 19:51.32 | krka | yes |
| 19:51.37 | Cide | and F! |
| 19:51.38 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 19:51.39 | krka | and The Feminazis |
| 19:51.45 | Cide | what krka said :) |
| 19:51.46 | krka | aka F! |
| 19:51.58 | Kemayo | ...Ashbringer unlocks Scarlet Monestary scenes. That's pretty awesome. http://risen-guild.com/ |
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| 19:52.42 | krka | here are our parties: the conservatives, the christian democrates, the liberals, the center party, the social democrates, the left party, the green party |
| 19:52.54 | krka | currently in parliament, that is |
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| 19:53.17 | krka | the nazis, the pirate party and fi are probably the three closest outside of parliament |
| 19:54.19 | Kirkburn | What's that last one? |
| 19:54.44 | Kirkburn | (glad to see the greens in there) |
| 19:55.32 | krka | the last one is the feminist party |
| 19:55.53 | Kirkburn | Intriguing |
| 19:56.09 | krka | all parties are crappy in their own way |
| 19:56.15 | krka | you have to choose the least crappy |
| 19:57.01 | Kirkburn | That's politics unfortunately |
| 19:57.05 | ckknight | I want a masculist party :-P |
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| 19:57.41 | Kirkburn | You would, wouldn't you =) |
| 19:57.41 | krka | i almost had the urge to vote for the pirate party |
| 19:58.07 | wereHamster | and who did you vote for? |
| 19:58.15 | krka | not telling! |
| 19:58.22 | ckknight | nazis? |
| 19:58.29 | Cide | f! |
| 19:58.30 | Kirkburn | Feminists? |
| 19:58.31 | krka | of course, but which nazi party! |
| 19:58.40 | ckknight | :-P |
| 19:58.40 | Mikma | Fetishists? |
| 19:58.41 | Kirkburn | Ah, the conservatives? |
| 19:58.41 | krka | The Soup Nazis |
| 19:59.20 | Cide | great idea spawned by F!: "man tax" (all men have to pay taxes because they are, in fact, men) |
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| 19:59.49 | Cide | what do you say, Cairenn?! |
| 20:00.07 | Kirkburn | lol, "f!" comes up with an interesting result in google |
| 20:00.49 | wereHamster | does ut2004 really have seven CDs? |
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| 20:01.04 | krka | http://www.feministisktinitiativ.se/engelska.php |
| 20:01.54 | Iriel | I bought it on DVD so dont know |
| 20:02.49 | wereHamster | I need ut2004, to check why my software doesn't work with it :( |
| 20:03.17 | Kirkburn | krka, some of those points are crazy :/ |
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| 20:04.58 | wereHamster | well.. it doesn't work for someone and I'm trying to find out why.. |
| 20:05.08 | Kirkburn | (don't wish to sound anti-feminist, but I know I wouldn't feel safe walking the streets alone either) |
| 20:05.57 | krka | most swedes things Fi are lunatics :P |
| 20:05.59 | krka | think* |
| 20:06.26 | Mikma | krka: neat :) |
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| 20:07.27 | krka | i really get annoyed by "tradition" voters. i think it's our duty to be unfaithful to parties |
| 20:07.53 | Kirkburn | Interesting how F! are sexist in their own manifesto |
| 20:08.28 | krka | no shit :) |
| 20:09.36 | krka | time to watch some more whalewake |
| 20:09.56 | Kirkburn | Wow, the Social Democrat party "has been in power for all but 10 of the past 89 years" |
| 20:10.07 | Cide | yep |
| 20:10.23 | Cide | how does that make sense anyway? :P |
| 20:10.32 | Cide | it's 4 year periods |
| 20:10.51 | Cide | unless they weren't in power for the first two years being counted... |
| 20:10.53 | Kirkburn | The elections are completely regularly spaced though, surely? |
| 20:10.58 | Cide | yes |
| 20:10.59 | Kirkburn | *aren't |
| 20:11.14 | Kirkburn | Same date each time? |
| 20:11.23 | Cide | no idea, but does that really matter? |
| 20:11.50 | Kirkburn | Hmm, World War 2 might have disrupted it? |
| 20:11.58 | Cide | heh, maybe |
| 20:12.25 | Cide | I think all parties shared power during that time though |
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| 20:13.25 | Kirkburn | I'm off to watch Spooks, bbl |
| 20:13.30 | Maldivia | Iriel, will DevTools go 1.0 release when expansion comes ?:) |
| 20:18.28 | Iriel | Maldivia: Possibly 8-) |
| 20:19.16 | Maldivia | Iriel: in which case, you might want to change DevTools_InitUserdataCache, to rawget(u, 0), instead of u[0] |
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| 20:20.49 | Maldivia | it has an annoying affect if you have tables with an __index function that reports errors if it doesn't exist :) |
| 20:21.11 | Iriel | I fixed that already in SVN |
| 20:21.49 | Iriel | Kaelten mailed me about it a bit ago |
| 20:21.52 | Maldivia | stumpled over it yesterday, when I was trying out an addon that used AceLocale 2.1, which calls error from __index |
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| 20:25.01 | Maldivia | but to be honest, I don't think calling error from a metatable function is a good idea, can cause a lot of problems |
| 20:26.48 | Mikma | dreyruugr: *sob* i got a error |
| 20:26.57 | dreyruugr | what error? |
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| 20:39.30 | Fructose | If I kill WoW and then re-start it in the middle of the game, will it add new addons? I used that method to try and get FaraFrames going, but /ff doesn't work in the game. |
| 20:40.00 | Esamynn | say again? |
| 20:41.40 | Fructose | If I kill WoW and then re-start it in the middle of the game, will it add new addons? I used that method to try and get FaraFrames going, but /ff doesn't work in the game. |
| 20:41.50 | Fructose | Sorry, couldn't resist |
| 20:42.00 | Guillotine | lol |
| 20:42.08 | Guillotine | you have to completely close the program |
| 20:42.09 | Esamynn | ~lart Fructose |
| 20:42.16 | Guillotine | but then, yes, it should load new addons |
| 20:42.23 | Cide | Fructose: new addons are loaded when wow is launched, regardless of previous state |
| 20:42.28 | Fructose | OK. I think I figured it out... I shouldn't be renaming the dir |
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| 20:50.09 | Kemayo | What's a good levelling/PvE spec for Warlocks? |
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| 20:54.58 | Guillotine__ | Last night I lost the roll for ZHC by 3 >< On my 59 shadow priest. Do you know how much that would have rocked in the 50-59 BGs? |
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| 21:01.23 | Amro | that sucks guillotine |
| 21:03.28 | zenzelezz | I lost the roll for tiger mount by 2 |
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| 21:15.14 | warla | heh zenzelezz |
| 21:15.18 | warla | i was more lucky there |
| 21:15.23 | warla | rolled a 99 on mine |
| 21:15.55 | zenzelezz | nerf |
| 21:16.10 | warla | i love mounts.... |
| 21:16.13 | warla | i collect e, |
| 21:16.15 | warla | em |
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| 21:28.32 | Tem | I want the raptor mount more than anything |
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| 21:32.44 | JoshBorke | why's that tem? |
| 21:32.46 | JoshBorke | Kirov: you there? |
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| 22:10.50 | MentalPower | What program do you guys use to convert standard .lua files into readable VM instructions? |
| 22:11.23 | Amro | the one that comes with lua |
| 22:11.52 | MentalPower | I tried LuaC and all it gives me back is a binary file |
| 22:12.08 | Amro | isn't that what you want? |
| 22:12.14 | MentalPower | no |
| 22:12.18 | Amro | clarify |
| 22:12.41 | krka | luac -l |
| 22:12.47 | krka | if you want it readable |
| 22:15.22 | MentalPower | ah, many thanks |
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| 22:18.10 | Fructose | Which widgets are used as "slots", like those in your inventory? |
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| 22:22.45 | Fructose | I want to have a slot so people can drag an item into it. Am I wrong in guessing that it would be a widget? |
| 22:24.21 | [floyd] | A "widget" can mean anything. |
| 22:26.05 | Fructose | [floyd]: And you're tell me this why? |
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| 22:26.42 | Kaelten | ello |
| 22:26.48 | Amro | hi |
| 22:27.32 | Cairenn | hi Kaelten |
| 22:27.45 | Kaelten | hiya :) |
| 22:28.44 | wereHamster | Fructose, you can't 'create' a slot where users can drag items to, you'll have to use one of the existing slots (trade window is a possibility) |
| 22:29.53 | [floyd] | Fructose: "widget" is a generic term that has little intrinsic meaning to it. |
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| 22:31.48 | Fructose | [floyd]: Yes? So? I would assume people here know that I'm referring to widgets as defined by the WoW API. Am I wrong? |
| 22:32.41 | [floyd] | That I cannot answer. |
| 22:33.00 | Fructose | [floyd]: I'm just wondering why you brought it up. |
| 22:33.15 | [floyd] | I'm anal about terminology, that's all ;) |
| 22:33.25 | Fructose | [floyd]: And I don't see how I used it wrong, that's all. |
| 22:33.50 | [floyd] | You cannot use a meaningless term wrong, now can you ;) |
| 22:33.58 | [floyd] | *wrongly |
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| 22:34.38 | Fructose | wereHamster: OK, well, that's a pain. So Auctioneer uses the slot provided by the normal auction interface? There's no way to get a slot just to make an easy way to get the link of an item? |
| 22:34.55 | Fructose | [floyd]: So, again, I'm not sure why you brought it up. |
| 22:35.04 | Wobin | Ok... so... |
| 22:35.08 | AnduinLothar | sure, you can make slots |
| 22:35.21 | AnduinLothar | check out DivineBlessing |
| 22:35.28 | Wobin | "Dear Authors, |
| 22:35.28 | Wobin | For a long time now Curse has been the resource for Addon downloads, and for fresh authors to learn the ropes of developing. The problem is, there has never been a community-centered location within Curse for the new devs to get the knowledge they seek. Well, recently, with some issues with another website, we were kicked out of the only real Addon development. So our answer? We'll start promoting our own." |
| 22:35.33 | Wobin | What's this? |
| 22:35.39 | Wobin | kicked out? |
| 22:35.42 | Wobin | who what? |
| 22:35.45 | Cairenn | they weren't |
| 22:36.36 | Wobin | Was there some... interpreted conflict? |
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| 22:37.56 | Fructose | AnduinLothar: Is it really complicated or something? I haven't read the code of enough addons to be able to immediately filter out all the stuff that isn't relevant to slots. |
| 22:38.07 | Cairenn | There was no interpreted conflict. I asked NeT to ask zeeg to stop coming in the channel. Werik, who recently timed out, is the cg addon manager, he's still in the channel (when he isn't timed out). |
| 22:38.26 | Wobin | ah |
| 22:38.26 | wereHamster | Fructose, you either can hook inventory functions or 'hijack' one of the existing slots. |
| 22:38.35 | Werik | I timed back btw:p |
| 22:38.44 | wereHamster | and since I hate hooking I went with the later |
| 22:38.45 | Thrae | So curse is backing up zeeg? Wait wha? |
| 22:39.02 | Cairenn | zeeg decided to inform the world via news and email that we kicked the entire site out of the channel, which is incorrect |
| 22:39.12 | Wobin | I may be somewhat out of line here, but it seems somewhat indicative of... immaturity |
| 22:39.14 | Cairenn | cg hasn't felt the need to correct that /shrug |
| 22:39.29 | Wobin | But then again, not overly surprised |
| 22:39.30 | [floyd] | Wobin :D |
| 22:40.01 | Wobin | anyway, gotta head to work =) |
| 22:40.09 | Cairenn | later Wobin, have a good one |
| 22:40.19 | Wobin | In any case, I wish them all the best with their channel =) |
| 22:40.39 | Wobin | since we're 'Real development' here =) |
| 22:40.55 | Thrae | Real IRC'rs are in at least 5 channels anyway! |
| 22:40.59 | Werik\Curse | Zeeg has its own ways. |
| 22:41.08 | Thrae | Across 10 different networks! |
| 22:41.24 | Wobin | Thrae: oh old time hard core, eh? =) |
| 22:41.24 | Thrae | They're so hardcore, they're in channels that don't even exist. |
| 22:41.34 | Cairenn | yet you feel no need to offer a public correct of the public mis-information /shrug |
| 22:42.27 | Cairenn | and my apologies Werik\Curse, I hadn't notice you re-joining the channel, was watching a movie |
| 22:42.39 | Fructose | So where in Divine Blessing (or anywhere else) should I look for an example to hook inventory functions or hijack a slot? |
| 22:43.00 | Werik\Curse | I wont apologise for something I didn't make. I have no reason to do so. I can't help if if people are turning their private issues into campaigns against each other |
| 22:43.18 | Thrae | Fructose: Bagnon or OneBag are also good examples, as they hook the inventory slots. |
| 22:43.39 | Werik\Curse | I am neutral and as long as I manage the addons section of CG it will try to keep it as neutral as possible. |
| 22:43.44 | Cairenn | I wasn't asking you personally. I was asking that CG retract the statement, publically, since it is incorrect and was made, publically. |
| 22:44.28 | Cairenn | but I'm also not going to make a big deal of it. I know the truth. Others will make their own decisions. Nothing I say will change that. |
| 22:45.27 | Werik\Curse | You know CG wont retract it. |
| 22:45.46 | AnduinLothar | mmm PMs plz |
| 22:45.56 | Werik\Curse | yea, true. sorry |
| 22:45.58 | Cairenn | That's their choice. They want to let mis-information stand, they are welcome to. |
| 22:52.39 | Kirov | s\she\so |
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| 22:53.15 | Fructose | Is inventory function hooking done entirely in Lua, or is there some use of the XML file? I'm looking at the XML file for Bagnon and it's not really helping me figure out how to use a slot myself |
| 22:53.39 | Kirov | Fructose - what are you trying to do? |
| 22:53.49 | Tuller | yes, what are you trying to do? |
| 22:55.17 | wereHamster | (00:35:56) Fructose: I want to have a slot so people can drag an item into it. Am I wrong in guessing that it would be a widget? |
| 22:55.42 | Kirov | ah |
| 22:56.16 | Kirov | Bagnon, afiak, is just visual organization of existing locations. |
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| 22:56.30 | Kirov | Check out QuickMountEquip or CT_MailMod for better examples. |
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| 22:56.50 | JoshBorke | Kirov: scaling should work in HealWatch |
| 22:56.53 | JoshBorke | clad|work: ping |
| 22:56.56 | Kirov | JoshBorke - hehe |
| 22:57.21 | [floyd] | Fructose: Everything you can do in XML you can also do in Lua. Hope this doesn't add to the confusion. |
| 22:58.54 | wereHamster | JoshBorke, I'll probably need to implement scaling in HealSync, too :-/ |
| 22:59.08 | Fructose | Kirov: Which one would be easier to read? :-) |
| 22:59.41 | Kirov | Fructose, not sure. I remember QuickMountEquip was painful, so let me make sure CT_MailMod is less so before I recomend it |
| 22:59.58 | Tuller | well its going to be in the lua. my xml should only have function calls. but I think the specific events you need to get are whenever you pickup an item, and then whenever you click/receive drag on your slot. |
| 23:00.18 | Amro | Fructose: most addons have the bulk of their actual code in lua, and widgets in xml |
| 23:01.20 | Fructose | Amro: Yeah, but I need some sort of widget before the Lua will do anything :-) |
| 23:01.29 | Kirov | Fructose - CT_MailMod is much easier to read |
| 23:01.35 | Kirov | All the stuf you want is right at the top. |
| 23:01.58 | Fructose | Kirov: In the XML or Lua file? |
| 23:02.16 | Kirov | lua, mostly |
| 23:04.43 | Kirov | You'll never completely escape xml unless you build everything with CreateFrame |
| 23:05.02 | Thrae | CreateFrame is so much fun! I find it easier. |
| 23:06.02 | Kirov | One really fun thing about CreateFrame, and particularly the fact that you'll be using SetScript instead of defining function calls from xml... the functions you add to your frame are scoped to that script. |
| 23:06.08 | [floyd] | Fructose: From personal experience (being very new myself): If you understand Lua, then XML is self-explanatory. And very little used as far as I can see. Anything dynamic needs to be Lua anyway. |
| 23:06.17 | Kirov | Meaning locals you define in your script are accessable from a frame. |
| 23:06.59 | Tuller | you can do that anyway via function calls |
| 23:07.46 | Kirov | Tuller - true, but the overhead is less because it's not a function from a frame calling a function. |
| 23:08.04 | Kirov | It's just a frame calling it's function |
| 23:08.46 | Kirov | The one major holdup keeping everything from being in an XML is that > and < inside an xml file (like if ( mynum > 5 ) then ) will cause the xml parser to freak out and fail to load. |
| 23:11.16 | Tuller | you run into a problem with hooking if you call a function directly if it might be hooked, or at least I think so. |
| 23:11.55 | Kirov | Tuller - hmm? |
| 23:12.51 | Tuller | lets see if I can write it up. |
| 23:13.27 | JoshBorke | question: what's the best way to keep a largish table synchronized between 2 clients? |
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| 23:13.35 | Fructose | Is there any reason not to write the Lua inside the XML file? |
| 23:13.46 | Cide | Fructose: MCV :) |
| 23:13.46 | Tuller | it looks ugly, and the < issue |
| 23:13.48 | JoshBorke | a table that is structured like a tree i should say |
| 23:13.50 | [floyd] | JoshBorke: Timestamps I'd say. |
| 23:14.13 | Kirov | Fructose - apart from calling another function, not really. |
| 23:14.17 | Cide | Fructose: separating front end and back end helps maintenance tremendously |
| 23:15.05 | Kirov | JoshBorke - erm ... use Telepathy? |
| 23:15.07 | JoshBorke | Fructose: put everything in a single lua file ;-) |
| 23:16.29 | JoshBorke | Kirov: but only portions of the table may be out of date |
| 23:16.46 | [floyd] | JoshBorke: Keep timestamps with nodes. |
| 23:18.36 | Kirov | is CHAT_MSG_SPELL_PERIODIC_HOSTILEPLAYER_BUFFS still used for friendly priest healing? |
| 23:18.41 | Kirov | Or is that fixed? |
| 23:18.43 | JoshBorke | hrm, i'm thinking i have to create a checksum on the head node and then checksums on all the subsequent nodes |
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| 23:20.42 | JoshBorke | a checksum of the individual checksums should be faster though, correct? |
| 23:20.56 | [floyd] | JoshBorke: A 'checksum' could be the miniumum of all timestamps of all children. |
| 23:22.22 | JoshBorke | the children could be changed individually |
| 23:22.27 | Tuller | http://wowi.pastey.net/874 should show the hooking issue |
| 23:22.29 | Maldivia | Kirov: not fixed yet I think |
| 23:22.34 | Maldivia | Kirov: it's on the todo list apparently |
| 23:23.37 | [floyd] | JoshBorke: If a child is updated indepently you'll just need to walk up the tree and (potentially) update nodes. |
| 23:24.57 | JoshBorke | i don't think that will work because i could have 2 children and the newer one is the one that is updated |
| 23:25.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | graah how long has wow.com been down? 2+ days now? |
| 23:25.39 | Kirov | Tuller - so, you're saying it's protect to prevent people from hooking my damn addon? |
| 23:25.43 | Kirov | ;) |
| 23:25.58 | Mr_Rabies2 | you'd think making billions a month AND having doubleclick ads on the frontpage would be enough for better uptime than they have on that resource hog of a site |
| 23:26.40 | [floyd] | JoshBorke: I'm just speculating, since I don't have enough insight into your problem domain yet. And I'm fairly drunk as well, so you might as well discard my babblings altogether ;) |
| 23:26.47 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 23:28.04 | Tuller | Kirov - What I'm saying is that there was a bug in Bagnon that took me a while to find that ended up being that :) |
| 23:28.22 | Kirov | ah |
| 23:28.31 | wereHamster | Tuller, don't hook functions but scripts ;) |
| 23:28.54 | JoshBorke | how do i get the date in WoW? |
| 23:29.06 | Kirov | wereHamster - would yeild the same result in the example he gave |
| 23:29.33 | Kirov | JoshBorke - the actual date, or a constant for comparion |
| 23:29.56 | JoshBorke | constant for comparison |
| 23:30.59 | Kirov | time() with no arguments returns a number that's the number of second since epoch |
| 23:31.51 | Kirov | you can format it in to something useful using date("%m/%d/%Y", timeReturn) |
| 23:32.24 | [floyd] | Wouldn't that be os.date()? |
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| 23:33.01 | Tuller | the current time in wow is seconds = GetTime() |
| 23:33.19 | Kirov | [floyd] - WoW has simplified mappings for a lot of os / math / table functions |
| 23:33.20 | Thrae | [floyd]: Normally, except WoW's Lua engine exists in a jail which restricts os to just certain functions, like time and date. |
| 23:33.41 | Kirov | Tuller - that's client local uptime |
| 23:33.47 | Kirov | bad for syncing across clients |
| 23:33.51 | [floyd] | ;) |
| 23:34.05 | [floyd] | Thanks for the background, Kirov and Thrae. |
| 23:34.26 | wereHamster | 'io' was completely removed from WoW's lua |
| 23:35.00 | [floyd] | Wth good reason, too. |
| 23:35.18 | sublemon | What about the C API? |
| 23:36.24 | [floyd] | a WoW C API? |
| 23:36.30 | [floyd] | That'd..... so rock :) |
| 23:38.23 | sublemon | indeed, I'm burnt I need to step away from the computer for a while |
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