| 00:00.27 | tyroney|work | Kirkburn: Downstairs |
| 00:02.05 | Kirov | Go in to the MI5 area and go downstairs |
| 00:02.24 | tyroney|work | Woo! It's 5, and tomorrow I'm taking the day off. I can sit around here all day tomorrow. |
| 00:03.35 | Kirkburn | Thanks x2 :) |
| 00:04.07 | Kirov | floyd - it might be a wide screen bug btw. |
| 00:04.27 | Kirov | There've been mouse / world issues with widescreen before |
| 00:04.45 | [floyd] | Never came across any other widescreen bugs, though. |
| 00:04.50 | Kirov | I know they fixed the highlight / select bug |
| 00:04.58 | [floyd] | And this one just slipped in in 1.12. |
| 00:05.16 | Kirov | A hand full were introduced in 1.10 |
| 00:05.43 | Kirov | Most of them only showed to people who were mucking with the UIParent / WorldFrame disconnec |
| 00:05.52 | Kirov | But more might exist |
| 00:06.35 | [floyd] | That could explain why I don't see them -- I don't have any mods installed. |
| 00:09.50 | malreth | people who use addons should be banned anyways since they threaten the sanctity of marriage |
| 00:11.25 | Thrae|Away | Let's compromise people. Instead of calling them "addons", we can call them "cheat buddies". This won't dispoil the name of marriage while allowing us to use addons without fear of reprisal! |
| 00:13.10 | malreth | lol! |
| 00:13.22 | malreth | sorry... |
| 00:13.48 | malreth | Instead of calling them "addons", just call them... "cheat buddies" |
| 00:14.11 | malreth | But what about the lesbians? |
| 00:14.42 | Kirkburn | You use lesbians? |
| 00:15.36 | malreth | lesbians? |
| 00:16.01 | malreth | purl, lesbians |
| 00:16.02 | purl | well, lesbians is porn efficient |
| 00:16.12 | malreth | purl, your grammer is bad |
| 00:16.13 | purl | ...but your grammer is already something else... |
| 00:16.24 | malreth | you're not even making sense! |
| 00:16.31 | Thrae|Away | ~your grammar |
| 00:16.40 | malreth | purl, your grammer |
| 00:16.41 | purl | [your grammer] nothing |
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| 00:17.48 | malreth | purl, lesbians? |
| 00:17.50 | purl | lesbians are porn efficient! |
| 00:18.00 | malreth | purl, botsnack |
| 00:18.00 | purl | aw, gee, malreth |
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| 00:19.46 | JoshBorke | hello |
| 00:20.02 | purI | I am %100 corrupt |
| 00:20.24 | Kirkburn | You grammatical nonsense! make |
| 00:20.36 | cogwheel | Serifed fonts > kirov |
| 00:20.44 | JoshBorke | ~whalebomb Kirov |
| 00:20.46 | purl | ACTION throws an explosive whale named Gunter at Kirov and hides. |
| 00:21.02 | Kirkburn | ~whaleslam purl |
| 00:21.13 | Kirkburn | aww |
| 00:21.24 | Thrae|Away | ~whaleparry |
| 00:21.33 | Thrae|Away | ~whaleparry Kirkburn |
| 00:21.35 | purl | ACTION uses a slightly less-huge but eminently more agile killer whale named Edwardo to parry Kirkburn's attacks. |
| 00:21.49 | malreth | ~lart Thrae|Away |
| 00:22.01 | Thrae|Away | ~whalenorris malreth |
| 00:22.03 | purl | ACTION gets a whale with a facial hair issue named Charles to roundhouse whack malreth in the face with his tail |
| 00:22.28 | malreth | i've been norrised! |
| 00:22.30 | Kirov | lol |
| 00:22.36 | Thrae|Away | ~chucknorris |
| 00:23.04 | Thrae|Away | ~chucknorri |
| 00:23.07 | Thrae|Away | ~norris |
| 00:23.30 | malreth | ~chucknorris |
| 00:23.31 | purl | Chuck Norris moves at two speeds: Walk and kill. |
| 00:23.38 | cogwheel | ~emulate cogwheel |
| 00:23.40 | purl | ACTION shakes 42 sperm whales at the forums. >:( |
| 00:23.50 | JoshBorke | yay for opensvn |
| 00:23.56 | Thrae|Away | I bet "~chucknorris" uses a huge-ass list, which is why purl was slow. |
| 00:23.59 | Thrae|Away | ~chucknorris |
| 00:24.00 | purl | Chuck Norris moves at two speeds: Walk and kill. |
| 00:24.04 | malreth | no |
| 00:24.08 | Thrae|Away | Or maybe not. |
| 00:24.13 | JoshBorke | ~literal chucknorris |
| 00:24.14 | purl | "chucknorris" is "<reply>Chuck Norris moves at two speeds: Walk and kill." |
| 00:24.29 | Thrae|Away | ~norris |
| 00:24.53 | Thrae|Away | ~literal norris |
| 00:25.25 | Thrae|Away | ~tekkub |
| 00:25.26 | purl | i guess tekkub is a furry pervert |
| 00:25.41 | malreth | ~malreth |
| 00:28.07 | Thrae|Away | purl, malreth is <reply>malreth not found. |
| 00:28.09 | purl | Thrae|Away: okay |
| 00:29.03 | malreth | :( |
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| 00:32.29 | Thrae|Away | ~abuse |
| 00:32.31 | purl | from memory, abuse is http://www.rfc-ignorant.org/policy-abuse.php or RFC 2142 or echo Shut your festering gob, you tit! | mail abuse |
| 00:32.40 | Kirkburn | I can't use the Eau de Mixilpixil :( |
| 00:33.00 | Thrae|Away | ~botabuse |
| 00:33.01 | purl | Stop tormenting me! |
| 00:33.08 | Thrae|Away | ~tease |
| 00:33.42 | Thrae|Away | purl, tease is <reply>Oh you'd like that, wouldn't you? |
| 00:33.44 | purl | ACTION tickles is <reply>Oh you'd like that, wouldn't you with a feather and makes is <reply>Oh you'd like that, wouldn't you rotflmaopimp-ing |
| 00:33.59 | Thrae|Away | ~tease malreth |
| 00:34.03 | purl | ACTION tickles malreth with a feather and makes malreth rotflmaopimp-ing |
| 00:36.13 | Thrae|Away | purl, masochism is <reply>Oh, the triggers, the triggers! Oh...YES! | <reply>Please abuse me more, mmm-hmm! |
| 00:36.14 | purl | Thrae|Away: okay |
| 00:36.28 | Thrae|Away | ~sexypurl |
| 00:37.17 | Thrae|Away | purl, sexypurl is Make me trigger! Make me trigger! Oh! Oh! YES! I'm triggering! I'm triggering! |
| 00:37.19 | purl | Thrae|Away: okay |
| 00:37.31 | Cairenn | are you boys having fun? |
| 00:37.42 | malreth | Thrae is scaring me |
| 00:37.59 | Thrae|Away | I just thought purl's vocabulary needed to be expanded a little bit. |
| 00:38.05 | malreth | with FILTH! |
| 00:38.26 | Thrae|Away | malreth, you sure do have a dirty mind! |
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| 00:38.29 | JoshBorke | ok bye all |
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| 00:39.06 | Kirkburn | ~naughty |
| 00:39.07 | purl | Do a little dance, make a little love, get down tonight! |
| 00:39.39 | malreth | ok... gotta go |
| 00:40.04 | Thrae|Away | ~pron |
| 00:40.18 | Kirkburn | I wonder if malreth was taking purl's advice |
| 00:40.52 | Thrae|Away | purl, pron is <reply>Yeah, like I couldn't tell what that REALLY means! |
| 00:40.53 | purl | okay, Thrae|Away |
| 00:52.22 | Kirkburn | Hmm, I might actually have to buy a wii |
| 00:52.42 | Kirkburn | ~wii |
| 00:52.43 | purl | The toilet is thataway ... |
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| 01:05.37 | Warla | http://www.wowledgebase.com/?id=1 <-- newest version |
| 01:05.39 | Warla | :-) |
| 01:09.29 | Kirkburn1 | coool |
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| 01:15.53 | tyroney | Capitalization of Wowtest driectory? |
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| 01:18.08 | tyroney | Got it, thanks though |
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| 01:22.56 | Kirkburn | G'night all! |
| 01:23.17 | Kirkburn | Sleep well, blah blah, you know the drill =) |
| 01:24.07 | Kirkburn | (I have a parent-free weekend ahead of me, then I'm back to Uni, so I'm happy :) |
| 01:24.41 | Cairenn | later Kirkburn |
| 01:25.01 | Kirkburn | see ya |
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| 01:32.46 | Tuller | So...how about those UI mods? |
| 01:33.19 | Tem | made it to work on time |
| 01:33.32 | Cairenn | good |
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| 01:51.07 | jaxdahl | www.psyonix.net/savor/cosbyohno.jpg |
| 01:51.34 | tyroney | er |
| 01:51.41 | cladhaire | heh |
| 01:55.58 | tyroney | Here's one: simplified (cheap?) way of simulating the side-to-side motion of a pendulum? (as in moving a bit faster in the middle) |
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| 02:13.25 | Iriel | tyroney: Well, use sin, or use a lookup table of precomputed values. |
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| 02:24.47 | Cairenn | evening Kaelten |
| 02:25.05 | Kaelten | evening :) |
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| 02:28.40 | kelvie | anyone know how to enable system messages in the General chatbox? |
| 02:28.44 | kelvie | it somehow got turned off |
| 02:30.33 | Cairenn | easiest is to turn simple chat back on then off |
| 02:30.42 | Cairenn | but it'll delete any custom settings you've got |
| 02:31.17 | kelvie | Hrm.. I tried that.. no luck :x |
| 02:31.23 | kelvie | still can't /who and /chatwho |
| 02:31.25 | Cairenn | *blink* |
| 02:31.42 | kelvie | where are these settings stored? |
| 02:31.48 | Cairenn | next step is to log all the way out of game, go to your wtf folder and delete your chat-cache.txt file |
| 02:31.57 | kelvie | ah I'll try that, thanks :0 |
| 02:32.05 | zenzelezz | are you getting other system messages, like /played? Or are they all gone? |
| 02:32.20 | kelvie | all gone :x |
| 02:32.35 | kelvie | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:32.39 | kelvie | BG joining messages |
| 02:32.42 | kelvie | group status messages |
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| 02:32.58 | kelvie | I tried opening the game from linux before trying it again in windows :x |
| 02:33.05 | kelvie | which reset some settings.. I think |
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| 02:37.28 | ckknight | hey all |
| 02:38.08 | Cairenn | hi ckknight |
| 02:38.17 | malreth | hey is for horses |
| 02:38.17 | ckknight | ...? |
| 02:38.21 | ckknight | wtf, guy? |
| 02:38.27 | ckknight | hay is for horses |
| 02:38.29 | ckknight | lern2spell. |
| 02:38.36 | malreth | :D |
| 02:38.37 | Cairenn | lol |
| 02:38.44 | malreth | how ya doin? |
| 02:39.59 | ckknight | I'm okay |
| 02:40.01 | ckknight | at the library |
| 02:40.06 | ckknight | waiting for my Algorithms class |
| 02:40.41 | malreth | i loved my algorithms class |
| 02:41.47 | ckknight | I placed out of 5 CS classes to get to Algorithms, finally :-P |
| 02:42.06 | malreth | zomg you're smart! |
| 02:42.21 | malreth | no wonder you know how to spell hay |
| 02:42.39 | ckknight | I'm also in Theory of Computation :-P |
| 02:42.41 | Tem | I thought about testing out of the last few classes then realized that they're GPA boosters |
| 02:42.58 | Tem | which I'm completely Ok with |
| 02:43.05 | ckknight | hrm |
| 02:43.08 | cladhaire | Tem: No to mention, you miss a lot when you test out, imo |
| 02:43.16 | Tem | agreed |
| 02:43.20 | cladhaire | *shrug* |
| 02:43.38 | Tem | even if it's just getting to know other people in the curriculum |
| 02:43.40 | malreth | my sister's going through the CS program at Univ. of Texas |
| 02:44.00 | Tem | (though, I'll test the shit out of any class tought by Duncan or Guillot... I HATE them) |
| 02:44.05 | cladhaire | Tem: Just thinkiing about my past classes, what I'm taught on, and what we learned in class are entirely different. |
| 02:44.05 | malreth | she's gotten to the point in the program where she's now the only female in any of the classes |
| 02:44.11 | Tem | taught* |
| 02:44.15 | cladhaire | malreth: Thats always fun :P |
| 02:44.21 | ckknight | lol, malreth |
| 02:44.44 | Tem | malreth, there's girls that take CS classes? |
| 02:44.56 | malreth | yes! there are! |
| 02:44.59 | Tem | s/girls/GRLS/ |
| 02:45.12 | ckknight | they come few and far between |
| 02:45.20 | malreth | sadly, that is true |
| 02:45.37 | Tem | cladhaire, for me, I've learned a lot on my own by being nudged by the material we were 'learning' |
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| 02:46.36 | Tem | it was material that I didn't need to be taught, but if I hadn't been bored in class listening to the proffessor drone about stuff I already knew, I wouldn't have looked deeper into the subject to tune out the prof |
| 02:46.42 | ckknight | I just don't feel that learning what a method in Java is would be useful to me. |
| 02:47.01 | ckknight | :-P |
| 02:47.17 | Tem | learning a language isn't the point |
| 02:47.50 | Tem | speaking of crap I don't need to know, but was screwing around with... |
| 02:47.59 | Tem | cladhaire, I never got that delete working... I just gave up |
| 02:48.13 | Tem | function tree:remove(val) print("I hate you") end |
| 02:48.21 | cladhaire | It has nothing to do with learning how to do something in a language.. its learning how to think in different ways. |
| 02:48.25 | cladhaire | Tem: That sucks |
| 02:48.34 | Tem | well, I don't feel too bad |
| 02:49.08 | malreth | the freshman CS classes used to teach Scheme at UT |
| 02:49.11 | Tem | WP says "it's something that's often left out" -- now I'm paraphrasing -- "since it's a bitch" |
| 02:49.15 | malreth | that was a fun language |
| 02:49.23 | cladhaire | scheme rocks. |
| 02:49.27 | Tem | yay! weed out classes! |
| 02:49.33 | malreth | and actually helped me understand a lot of the concepts that I use now in Lua |
| 02:49.44 | Tem | I still need to learn scheme |
| 02:49.55 | ckknight | yea, me too |
| 02:49.56 | cladhaire | scheme and haskell are uber important, imho |
| 02:49.57 | malreth | Tem: here... i'll teach you |
| 02:50.02 | ckknight | I know some LISP, just not Scheme :-P |
| 02:50.05 | malreth | first, you hold down the shift key |
| 02:50.14 | Tem | then you hit (((((()))))) |
| 02:50.16 | cladhaire | then type lots of 9's and 0's.. ()()())(((()()) |
| 02:50.21 | malreth | next, you keep that key held down and you randomly hit 9 and 0 |
| 02:50.23 | malreth | yep |
| 02:50.32 | Tem | hehe |
| 02:50.33 | cladhaire | I did lots of work in elisp |
| 02:50.51 | Tem | bleh.. I have to go see if the computer in turead229 is borked or just off |
| 02:50.55 | Tem | I hate this part of my job |
| 02:51.16 | Codayus | haskell is nifty |
| 02:51.23 | malreth | we wrote programs that would write other programs... language translators... symbolic algebra solvers |
| 02:51.38 | malreth | ah... haskell was the other freshman language |
| 02:51.40 | cladhaire | Codayus: indeed |
| 02:51.49 | cladhaire | lambda calculus rocks my world =) |
| 02:51.51 | malreth | you had a choice between haskell and scheme |
| 02:52.08 | cladhaire | malreth: That's like "Drink Caustic, or Rat Poison!?" |
| 02:52.33 | cladhaire | to most freshmen |
| 02:52.39 | malreth | or "Mt. Dew or Crab Juice" |
| 02:52.50 | cladhaire | except people drunk mt. dew |
| 02:52.59 | malreth | ew! |
| 02:53.05 | malreth | i'll take the crab juice |
| 02:53.50 | Codayus | I loved haskell... |
| 02:54.01 | Codayus | Most of my friends hated it.... |
| 02:54.03 | Codayus | Odd. |
| 02:54.16 | cladhaire | not so odd =) |
| 02:54.21 | malreth | a lot of people have trouble thinking recursively |
| 02:55.17 | Codayus | Mmm, yeah. |
| 02:55.39 | Codayus | Although most people seem to grok recursion pretty fast in a procedural language... |
| 02:55.52 | zenzelezz | explain recursion in a way they understand |
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| 02:55.56 | zenzelezz | "it's like grinding reputation" |
| 02:55.57 | malreth | heh.... i'll write an addon that uses nothing but recursion |
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| 02:56.26 | Codayus | It's odd; somehow it seems to be a functional language should make MORE sense to people because it's so much closer to math...erm, then again, I suppose a lot of people have problems with functions in mathematics too... |
| 02:56.31 | Codayus | er, seems to me... |
| 02:56.49 | cladhaire | heh |
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| 02:57.48 | Codayus | I really enjoyed the class on discrete mathematics I took the same semester. There was a surprisingly large degree of overlap in the content between that and the haskell class, even if the approach was wildly different. |
| 02:58.51 | cladhaire | Codayus: Thats the fun of it all =) |
| 02:59.24 | Codayus | *nod* |
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| 03:12.07 | jaxdahl | hey |
| 03:12.11 | jaxdahl | they're changing the way mounts work |
| 03:12.41 | jaxdahl | regular mount = 10g, epic mount = 100g.. shared riding skill, 75 for regular, 150 for epic.. skill costs 90g for apprentice, 900g for journeyman |
| 03:12.45 | jaxdahl | http://thottbot.com/test?i=37242 |
| 03:14.07 | cladhaire | jaxdahl: ... weird |
| 03:14.30 | jaxdahl | people with mounts already will transfer seamlessly |
| 03:15.02 | zenzelezz | I'm confused |
| 03:15.12 | zenzelezz | skill levels for mounts? |
| 03:15.44 | jaxdahl | zenzelezz, it's not something you level up 1 point at a time |
| 03:15.51 | jaxdahl | you buy lvl 75 for 90g, boom, 75/75 |
| 03:15.56 | Cairenn | night KaeltenAway |
| 03:15.57 | jaxdahl | buy level 150 for 900g, boom 150/150 |
| 03:16.38 | zenzelezz | I understand jumping like that, but I don't see why they'd do something like that... it works well the way it is in my opinion |
| 03:16.39 | jaxdahl | buy level 225 for 1600g, boom 225/225 and you can fly (my guess) |
| 03:16.51 | jaxdahl | zenzelezz, it's so you can buy different types of mounts more easily |
| 03:17.13 | jaxdahl | didn't want a swift green mech? no problem, buy the yellow oen for 80g |
| 03:17.32 | jaxdahl | instead of 720g |
| 03:17.40 | jaxdahl | or whatever it was |
| 03:17.45 | jaxdahl | 640g |
| 03:17.52 | zenzelezz | or have a look at the displayed models before buying it and save yourself some gold in the first place |
| 03:18.30 | Thiana | How is that going to affect warlock mounts then? |
| 03:19.16 | zenzelezz | I'll be violently opposed to the change if it goes through... not that it will help, but still |
| 03:20.18 | Thiana | It does seem a bit silly. Plus Blizzard seems to try to *add* money sinks, not take them away. By switching to a riding skill method and cheap mounts it's going to mean a lot more gold going unspent. |
| 03:21.26 | zenzelezz | would those changes mean that you'd have to flesh out hundreds of gold for 150 skill level just to be able to use ZG/Rivendare mount also? |
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| 04:01.02 | Cairenn | night clad|sleep, sweet dreams :) |
| 04:03.58 | Tem | night clad |
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| 04:35.31 | tyroney | place to look to quickly find the yellow tracking dot tex path? |
| 04:37.09 | tyroney | found this: http://www.wowwiki.com/API_Minimap_SetBlipTexture (not full path I believe) |
| 04:38.41 | MentalPower | its always a full path |
| 04:38.55 | MentalPower | Interface\\AddOns\\SomeAddOn\\SomeTexture |
| 04:39.52 | tyroney | Uh, yeah. I'm looking for the default tracking dots full path. I'm downloading the extractor to pull the art so that I can search for it that way. |
| 04:40.46 | MentalPower | Minimap\\ObjectIcons.blp |
| 04:40.49 | MentalPower | :) |
| 04:42.15 | tyroney | wew! thank you. |
| 04:42.47 | Cairenn | night guys |
| 04:46.53 | MentalPower | night Cairenn|sleep |
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| 05:11.52 | ckknight | hey all |
| 05:29.24 | Tem|AFK | Maldivia, you around? |
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| 05:48.36 | Eraslin | Anyone happen to know, off-hand, what the name of the lua function is to pop up a quick yes/no dialog? I can't seem to remember... |
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| 06:37.45 | Elkano | hmm... I wonder if slouken would add vendor value as a return value for GetItemInfo... |
| 06:39.15 | Iriel | i doubt it -- convince a designer to add it to the default tooltips! |
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| 06:47.34 | krka | which vendor value? |
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| 06:50.12 | Elkano | well, the price a vendor will pay you when you sell it |
| 06:50.57 | Elkano | iirc the data is stored in the client's wdb files anyways so why not give access to it? |
| 06:51.40 | Kirov_ | There's a lot of stuff stored in the client's wdb files |
| 06:51.44 | Kirov_ | that's no exuse |
| 06:53.17 | krka | just curious, do all vendors pay the same amount? |
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| 06:54.45 | Elkano | iirc yes they do but the value depends on durability of the item and if it's soulbound or not |
| 06:57.54 | jaxdahl | durability affects the sale price, yes' |
| 06:59.10 | jaxdahl | boe/soulbound does NOT |
| 07:01.33 | Xuerian | Seeing as ace forums are crippled at the moment, would this be the place to ask for help about a problem I'm having with a mod I'm making? >.> |
| 07:02.01 | Kirov_ | If it's ace specific, try #wowace |
| 07:02.18 | Kirov_ | otherwise, here is fine |
| 07:02.36 | Elkano | jaxdahl, I'm pretty sure that boe items are worth less after you've bound them |
| 07:04.24 | Xuerian | Nah, not ace specific... that I know of... Well, I'm just trying to make a trim lootframe and at first I'm using PocketHelper's code for displaying a single loot item as a base... the problem however is that I can't reference my LootButton frame, it acts as if it doesn't exist. It's in the toc properly compared to a few other mods, and identical to PocketHelper's except for the name |
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| 07:05.01 | Xuerian | It's probably that I'm half asleep, I just can't figure it out, should I pastebin my toc/lua/xml for simplicity, if you're willing to look? |
| 07:05.17 | Kirov | Elkano - I doubt that |
| 07:05.45 | Iriel | Xuerian: Check you didn't name it the same as a variable you're using (esp. saved ones) |
| 07:05.52 | Kirov | I can take a look, but LootButtons are very weird |
| 07:06.02 | Iriel | Xuerian: And maybe stick message("I am " .. this:GetName()) in its OnLoad |
| 07:06.55 | Xuerian | Thanks Iriel, I'll try that first, then if it doesn't slam my face with a gong I'll pastey it. :) |
| 07:07.22 | Kirov | Elkano - Barbaric Battle Axe of the Eagle (lvl 15 pos boe from the ah I just bought). Before equip 13s 72c, after equip, exactly the same |
| 07:07.59 | Iriel | You may need something like ChatFrame2:AddMessage("I am " .. this:GetName()) if the message dialog doesn't show up, i dont recall its behavior during load. |
| 07:09.05 | Elkano | hmm... then I wonder why I put souldbound detection into my (unreleased) sell value mod :/ |
| 07:09.28 | Kirov | hehe |
| 07:09.31 | Iriel | Do you remember AH prices? |
| 07:09.59 | Elkano | nope, only vendor |
| 07:10.34 | Iriel | Does seem like an odd thing to do then 8-) |
| 07:10.37 | Kirov | I think I'm still the only person to do stuff with the minimap arrow(s) |
| 07:11.10 | Elkano | well, I was pretty sure that the price was affeced by this :/ well, never mind ^^ |
| 07:11.22 | Elkano | off for lecture... l8ers... |
| 07:11.57 | Iriel | Kirov: tyroney is doing stuff with them. |
| 07:12.03 | Iriel | well, with the center one |
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| 07:12.14 | Iriel | or do you mean re-texturing and such? |
| 07:13.11 | Kirov | No, that's possible by making it a scale of 0 and putting a texture object over it. |
| 07:13.28 | Kirov | Did that for a version of SimpleCompass before it annoyed the hell out of me |
| 07:14.10 | Kirov | Mainly just curious if my research was found valuable to anyone or if it's going to rot in SimpleCompass forever. heh |
| 07:15.13 | Iriel | heh, I asked for triangular texture objects but he ignored me |
| 07:15.20 | Kirov | hehe |
| 07:15.28 | Iriel | I'll start asking again once 2.0 comes out 8-) |
| 07:15.43 | Iriel | Well, sleep time for me - night all |
| 07:15.47 | Kirov | night |
| 07:15.52 | Eraslin | Anyone know off-hand if UnitIsPartyLeader() returns 1 if the queried unit only has an (A) in a raid? |
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| 07:16.19 | Kirov | Shouldn't |
| 07:16.58 | Eraslin | Hm. Any idea if there's an API function for checking whether a unit has an (A), then? |
| 07:17.22 | Kirov | GetRaidRosterInfo(raidindex) |
| 07:17.53 | Eraslin | Thanks :-) |
| 07:18.48 | Kirov | for i=1, GetNumRaidMembers() do |
| 07:18.48 | Kirov | local name, rank = GetRaidRosterInfo(i) |
| 07:18.48 | Kirov | if ( name == MyName ) then |
| 07:18.48 | Kirov | if ( rank == 1 ) then |
| 07:18.48 | Kirov | -- assistant |
| 07:18.49 | Kirov | else if ( rank == 2 ) then |
| 07:18.51 | Kirov | -- raid leader |
| 07:19.50 | Eraslin | There's not a function for getting the raidIndex of "player", is there? |
| 07:20.16 | Kirov | just looping over the roster and comparing the name |
| 07:20.29 | Kirov | It's really fast though. |
| 07:21.01 | Xuerian | Iriel, it does dump its name but it still doesn't make sense why not, and Kirov, after a bit of trial and error: http://wowi.pastey.net/809 |
| 07:21.18 | Eraslin | Okay, thanks |
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| 07:25.27 | krka | Eraslin: make your own function for that, and keep a cache |
| 07:25.33 | krka | wipe the cache on raid-events |
| 07:26.04 | Eraslin | krka: That's probably what I'll end up doing, thanks :-) |
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| 07:29.34 | krka | something like this, most likely http://wowi.pastey.net/812 |
| 07:29.42 | krka | oh, he left |
| 07:30.15 | Kirov | heh |
| 07:30.23 | Kirov | Xuerian - looks ok to me, tired myself though |
| 07:31.25 | Xuerian | Yeah, 3:30 is time for writing shit you test and re-write later... I'll figure it out then, or just hijack the loot frame itself and use those buttons... Thanks for taking a look at it Kirov, and thanks for the suggestions Iriel =) ... G'night. |
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| 08:11.15 | AnduinLothar | er... is there a blizzard bug that puts debuffs on your target that were on your target's target? |
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| 08:29.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | there's also a bug with your damage on targets |
| 08:30.27 | Mr_Rabies2 | occasionally it'll show your damage or your pet's damage on a nearby target instead of the one you actually hit, but not actually do damage to them |
| 08:30.38 | Mr_Rabies2 | i don't know if yours is related, but it might be |
| 08:33.19 | AnduinLothar | well i'm trying to fix an archaeologist bug, but i think it might not be my bug.. |
| 08:33.58 | AnduinLothar | odd part is it uses the orig TargetFrameDebuff frames and not my new ones... |
| 08:34.23 | AnduinLothar | but i dotn see any actual code i haven't replaced that actually shows those.. and i explicetly hide them when you log in |
| 08:34.50 | AnduinLothar | i really dont want to hide them all every time the debffs update or make a hack so they can't show.. |
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| 08:51.33 | wereHamster | do rogues have wingclip? |
| 08:51.44 | Mikma | wereHamster: hunters |
| 09:00.44 | AnduinLothar | for anyone that's interested I found a bug in TargetFrame.lua in the TargetofTarget_Update function |
| 09:01.43 | AnduinLothar | it's called by the TargetFrame and passes 'this' to RefreshBuffs when updating "targettarget" instead of passing the TargetofTargetFrame |
| 09:02.03 | AnduinLothar | so it applies targettarget buffs to the target frame occationally |
| 09:04.00 | AnduinLothar | Is there an event when you raise your pet fromt eh dead? |
| 09:04.05 | AnduinLothar | or resummon |
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| 10:00.47 | AnduinLothar | yay arch fixed |
| 10:01.26 | AnduinLothar | finally |
| 10:08.50 | AnduinLothar | Archaeologist v2.92 is out |
| 10:09.15 | AnduinLothar | the 45th public revision |
| 10:16.33 | Beladona | I have to hand it to MS, the new B2TR is a tad better than previous revisions of office 2007 |
| 10:16.42 | Beladona | the UI looks a bit better |
| 10:17.01 | Kirov | B2TR? |
| 10:17.10 | Beladona | Beta 2, Technical Refresh |
| 10:17.18 | Beladona | updated yesterday I think |
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| 10:18.53 | Kirov | I've been disconnected from enchant links |
| 10:19.00 | Kirov | Properly formated ones |
| 10:19.18 | AnduinLothar | O.o I thought you coudl request eeven non-existant ones? |
| 10:19.31 | Kirov | Not when I was testing it. |
| 10:19.36 | Kirov | Maybe you can now. |
| 10:19.40 | Maldivia | Kirov: then it's a freak accident - enchants are loaded from the spell.dbc file, meaning locally |
| 10:20.01 | Maldivia | The server is never queried abour enchants, thus it can't disconnect you |
| 10:20.44 | Maldivia | for instance, I just linked the enchant with ID 27123, and I'm 100% positive, that noone on this server has it :) |
| 10:20.59 | Beladona | nice Anduin, I like your standardization of the class icons for unitFrames in taht addon. I always thought it was overkill for blizz to have char specific unitFrame icons |
| 10:21.08 | Beladona | but anyway - your mod is approved |
| 10:21.43 | Beladona | lately I have been getting gray unitFrame icons for some players. even myself. Seems totally random though |
| 10:25.14 | AnduinLothar | never had that problem |
| 10:26.07 | Kirov | Very curious. |
| 10:26.42 | AnduinLothar | ya i go back and forth between using class icons and class portraits, i can never decide which i liek better |
| 10:26.53 | AnduinLothar | the class icons look better imo |
| 10:27.04 | AnduinLothar | since I can't make the portaits higher resolution |
| 10:27.11 | Kirov | Maldivia - In an attempt to look like less of a dumb-ass I deleted my post. :) |
| 10:27.18 | Maldivia | Kirov: hehe |
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| 10:27.34 | AnduinLothar | but the class portraits are definitely easier to see |
| 10:27.48 | Maldivia | Kirov: deleted my quote of yours aswell, then |
| 10:28.01 | Maldivia | Kirov: I take it, you tested 27123? |
| 10:28.05 | Kirov | Aye |
| 10:28.17 | Kirov | I know I tested it a while back and got disconnected |
| 10:28.42 | Kirov | Now, it appears, that if you enter in a bad enchant it just throws the "unknown link type" error |
| 10:28.48 | Maldivia | I've never been disconnected for trying to show enchant tooltips |
| 10:29.13 | Maldivia | I've always got that annoying error message, ever since the 1.10 PTR |
| 10:29.24 | Maldivia | (or was it 1.09 that introduced enchant tooltips?) |
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| 10:30.15 | norgs_away | nite all |
| 10:30.26 | Kirov | night |
| 10:30.29 | Maldivia | night |
| 10:32.30 | wereHamster | does WoW still have a function to open a URL? |
| 10:33.25 | Mikk | no |
| 10:33.50 | AnduinLothar | think is does it jsut doesn't do anythign :P |
| 10:34.00 | wereHamster | is it protected or was it removed? |
| 10:34.13 | AnduinLothar | it hasn't worked since beta |
| 10:34.29 | Mikk | i have hazy recollection of it only working if you access certain sites |
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| 10:34.45 | Mikk | or at least of someone saying something along those lines =) |
| 10:35.10 | wereHamster | Usage: LaunchURL("URL"), Usage: LaunchAddOnURL(index) |
| 10:36.33 | AnduinLothar | Error: attempt to call global `LaunchURL' (a nil value) |
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| 10:37.42 | wereHamster | yep.. they don't work :( |
| 10:37.44 | Beladona | there are a lot of dead functions and slash commands, among other things like that |
| 10:37.51 | Beladona | which never got cleaned up |
| 10:38.03 | eufemia | elo |
| 10:38.51 | Beladona | they shoudl dedicate a patch to JUST code optimization / cleanup |
| 10:38.54 | Beladona | lol |
| 10:39.01 | eufemia | does the ScanningTooltip still works? |
| 10:39.32 | Beladona | you can still scan tooltips yes. Is that what you are talking about? |
| 10:39.48 | eufemia | can you make your own? |
| 10:39.53 | Beladona | yeah |
| 10:40.16 | eufemia | hmmm, I copied code from wow wiki but my tooltip is always empty |
| 10:41.03 | eufemia | any special thing I have too keep in mind? |
| 10:41.06 | Beladona | local tooltip = CreateFrame("GameTooltip", "MyCustomTooltip", nil, "GameTooltipTemplate"); end |
| 10:41.20 | Beladona | then use MyCustomTooltip as what you are scanning |
| 10:41.38 | Beladona | you have to also set that as the tooltip being used |
| 10:41.43 | Beladona | when linking, etc... |
| 10:42.08 | Beladona | example: |
| 10:42.20 | eufemia | oh, thats the CreateFrame thingies...I still havent get into that one yet :( |
| 10:42.24 | Beladona | local item, cool, cost = MyCustomTooltip:SetInventoryItem("player", 1); |
| 10:42.38 | Beladona | its easier than doing it in xml IMHO |
| 10:42.57 | AnduinLothar | SetInventoryItem has a return value >.< ? |
| 10:42.57 | Beladona | here |
| 10:43.00 | eufemia | I guess so, but didnt have time to check the synthax :) |
| 10:43.05 | Beladona | let me paste some code up and link it |
| 10:43.11 | Beladona | this is what I use to scan an inventory slot |
| 10:43.28 | Beladona | yes, SetInventoryItem returns 3 things |
| 10:43.33 | AnduinLothar | wow |
| 10:43.38 | AnduinLothar | i didn't know that |
| 10:43.55 | Beladona | they are just booleans |
| 10:44.02 | Beladona | well most of them |
| 10:44.21 | Beladona | item, is nil, or true - if there is an item returned |
| 10:44.31 | Beladona | cool is is the item is in cooldown |
| 10:44.45 | Beladona | cost is the cost to repair I believe |
| 10:45.05 | eufemia | yeah |
| 10:45.24 | eufemia | but proly the default repair cost (no discount) |
| 10:45.34 | Beladona | aye |
| 10:47.17 | Beladona | eufemia: try this |
| 10:47.18 | Beladona | http://wowi.pastey.net/814 |
| 10:47.47 | Beladona | that will create a custom tooltip, if it doesn't already exist, then it will set it to no anchor (not shown), then it will set it to an item in your inventory |
| 10:47.50 | wereHamster | the repair cost is to repair the current item of the cost if it was totally broken? |
| 10:47.52 | Beladona | the scanning aprt is up to you |
| 10:47.56 | Beladona | part* |
| 10:48.19 | Beladona | don't think it needs to be totaly broken |
| 10:48.30 | Beladona | I haven't played with it a lot, but I seem to remember it showing any repair cost |
| 10:48.39 | Beladona | if it is fully repaired, obviously that cost is 0 |
| 10:48.44 | Beladona | it returns 0 |
| 10:49.04 | Beladona | and I don't know that it is a cost really either |
| 10:49.07 | eufemia | Beladona: thats all nice, but did you try to get number of lines in that tooltip? |
| 10:49.20 | Beladona | its always a decimal value, so it may be a scale used when calculating the actual cost at a vendor |
| 10:49.29 | Beladona | yes |
| 10:49.31 | Beladona | thats easy |
| 10:50.07 | Beladona | lemme show you the code I use to scan tooltips for durability |
| 10:50.56 | Beladona | http://wowi.pastey.net/815 |
| 10:51.21 | Beladona | that will scan a specific item in your inventory, and get durability from the tooltip |
| 10:51.48 | Beladona | and append that data to an already existing table called INVENTORY_ALERT_STATUS_SLOTS, which corresponds to the slot in your inventory |
| 10:52.24 | eufemia | yeah |
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| 10:53.19 | eufemia | I must be doing something retardedly wrong in my code...simmple stupid mistake, but WoW can be such a bitch some thimes about that sort of things |
| 10:53.26 | Beladona | post your code |
| 10:53.29 | Beladona | I can try to help |
| 10:53.37 | eufemia | cant...@work atm :) |
| 10:53.42 | Beladona | ahh kk |
| 10:53.45 | eufemia | my code is home :) |
| 10:53.59 | Beladona | well if I am still here when you get home, I will help |
| 10:54.24 | eufemia | tnx, I'll try with createFrame thingie tho |
| 10:55.00 | Beladona | I like creating some frames in lua, because as you can see, that tooltip was created with one line in lua, whereas xml would need several lines |
| 10:55.01 | Kirov | eufemia - I'm fairly certain the step you were missing was the "SetOwner" |
| 10:55.52 | eufemia | I used <OnLoad> tag in xml and put it there |
| 10:55.54 | Beladona | not to mention the ability to dynamically create a frame, or not, depending on certain conditions |
| 10:56.08 | Kirov | eufemia - was the tooltip hidden=true? |
| 10:56.15 | eufemia | <GameTooltip name="MyScanningTooltip" inherits="GameTooltipTemplate"> |
| 10:56.16 | eufemia | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:56.16 | eufemia | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:56.17 | eufemia | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:56.17 | eufemia | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:56.18 | eufemia | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:56.18 | eufemia | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:56.30 | eufemia | c/p from wow wiki.....sorry about the spam |
| 10:56.32 | Beladona | you set it to be owned by itself? |
| 10:56.52 | eufemia | yeah...tryed diferent stuff too |
| 10:56.56 | Kirov | Beladona - that's fine |
| 10:56.57 | Beladona | try UIParent instead of this |
| 10:57.09 | Beladona | really? seems like it would cause a circular reference |
| 10:57.12 | Beladona | but whatever |
| 10:57.24 | Kirov | eufemia - the virtual frame you're inheriting from (GameTooltipTemplate) is hidden by default |
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| 10:57.41 | Beladona | shouldn't matter |
| 10:57.44 | Kirov | you need hidden="false" or it will never show anything |
| 10:57.45 | Beladona | I don't show mine |
| 10:57.53 | Beladona | you can still scan it |
| 10:57.59 | eufemia | I dont want it to show |
| 10:58.00 | Kirov | Beladona - using CreateFrame |
| 10:58.13 | Beladona | CreateFrame doesn't show it |
| 10:58.24 | Beladona | my CreateFrame inherits GameTooltipTemplate |
| 10:58.27 | Beladona | just like his does |
| 10:58.31 | Kirov | eufemia - It has to be "shown", ANCHOR_NONE just makes it not render, but still think it's shown. |
| 10:58.45 | Kirov | CreateFrame is funky |
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| 10:59.00 | Kirov | From XML if it's set to hidden="true", it won't work |
| 10:59.06 | Beladona | weird |
| 10:59.14 | Kirov | from CreateFrame it doesn't seem to care |
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| 11:00.49 | Beladona | found soe no-no code in a blizz created function |
| 11:00.52 | Beladona | lol |
| 11:01.01 | Beladona | making my life hard as a result |
| 11:01.23 | eufemia | tnx..I'll try with shown |
| 11:01.39 | AnduinLothar | welcome to my life bela |
| 11:02.01 | AnduinLothar | peopel have been complainign about that debuff bug for a month |
| 11:02.14 | Beladona | moving the minimap moves anything attached to it. But moving those frames myself doesn't fix the issue, because there is a blizz created function that hard sets those frames back to the minimap. The problem is, there are several other ui elements that call that same function |
| 11:02.16 | AnduinLothar | i kept tryign to review my code and couldn't find anythign wrong |
| 11:02.38 | AnduinLothar | ya the side and bottom placement code is crap |
| 11:02.46 | Beladona | its a hack |
| 11:02.51 | Beladona | a bad one too |
| 11:02.58 | AnduinLothar | and you end up having to replace it ocmpletely and write your own |
| 11:03.05 | Beladona | yup, which hate doing |
| 11:03.09 | AnduinLothar | yup |
| 11:03.16 | AnduinLothar | mobile frames |
| 11:03.22 | Beladona | fixing a hack with another hack, that isn't forward-compatible. Gotta love it |
| 11:03.26 | AnduinLothar | hack, upon hack, upon hack |
| 11:03.55 | AnduinLothar | i hate lookign at that code. i keep swearing i'm gonna rewrite it someday |
| 11:04.05 | Beladona | I am surprised slouken didn't |
| 11:04.14 | Beladona | I mean come on, the other frames in taht same function use a table |
| 11:04.22 | Beladona | yet those don't? |
| 11:04.33 | AnduinLothar | even that table is dumb imo, but it's 'better' |
| 11:04.35 | Beladona | if they did, we could easily just nil that table entry |
| 11:05.23 | Beladona | well, not nil, since that would screw up the indices I think |
| 11:05.28 | Beladona | but you get the idea |
| 11:06.05 | Beladona | gives me an idea |
| 11:06.20 | Beladona | maybe add those frames to the table, and replace the function with one that works without the hacks? |
| 11:06.25 | Beladona | hmm.. |
| 11:06.52 | Beladona | or just ask someone at blizz to lean it up, jeez |
| 11:06.55 | Beladona | clean* |
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| 11:12.17 | AnduinLothar | How long is it before addons get put int he outdated folder? |
| 11:12.47 | AnduinLothar | I really hate updating just to change the toc # |
| 11:14.21 | AnduinLothar | know what you should make for wowi. an "Update TOC" button for authors that unzipps, updates the toc, rezips and republishes a new version. that way we can just verify that it works with the latest patch and auto-update it |
| 11:15.39 | AnduinLothar | cause lol, 13 of my addons are int he out-of-date folder and they all work perfectly fine |
| 11:16.50 | zenzelezz | well, there's out-of-date and there's out-of-order |
| 11:17.33 | AnduinLothar | well wowi has an 'Outdated' category for mods that haven't been updated in 3 months |
| 11:20.40 | JoshBorke | is there any way to encode a n-ary tree traversal in lua other than with a string? |
| 11:23.47 | krka | a what? |
| 11:25.24 | JoshBorke | erm, i guess n-ary isn't really a type of tree is it? |
| 11:27.43 | JoshBorke | basically a nested table traversal |
| 11:30.53 | Mikk | not following here |
| 11:31.26 | krka | yes, n-ary trees are trees |
| 11:31.27 | JoshBorke | i have a table with nested tables that i want to keep synchronized between multiple people |
| 11:31.36 | krka | not following on the encoding |
| 11:31.46 | krka | serialize it |
| 11:32.10 | JoshBorke | what do you mean by serialize it? like how? (remember, i'm a nub with most stuff) |
| 11:32.15 | krka | http://www.lua.org/pil/12.1.html |
| 11:33.13 | JoshBorke | blasted lua |
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| 11:34.35 | JoshBorke | erm, where's the table example? |
| 11:34.56 | wereHamster | CommChannel has a function that serializes lua objects.. and AceComm, too (I guess) |
| 11:35.30 | JoshBorke | but the basic point is i have to send the keys as a series of strings |
| 11:35.38 | |FF|Im2good4u | oO that stuff seems diffycult lol |
| 11:36.36 | JoshBorke | which means lots of 1 time use strings :-( |
| 11:39.16 | wereHamster | SendAddonMessage() accepts only strings.. so you'll have to create a string .. and how you do that, that's your decision.. |
| 11:43.30 | |FF|Im2good4u | just store evferythinh in strings :p |
| 11:43.40 | |FF|Im2good4u | even "1" or "0" :p |
| 11:44.23 | zenzelezz | I think Eastern Kingdoms may have succumbed to the scourge on Silvermoon... can't connect there |
| 11:45.23 | AnduinLothar | Telepathy can serialize lua objects to using Sea.string.serialize |
| 11:45.29 | AnduinLothar | too* |
| 11:46.31 | AnduinLothar | can also use CRCLib (like we were discussing yesterday, lol) to send a crc of the data beforehand |
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| 11:50.11 | JoshBorke | yea, which is what i'll do. i'll first send a checksum of the entire table, then if it differs send checksums of the nested tables until i get a table of all the different portions of the table and i can rectify the necessary changes |
| 11:51.25 | krka | here is my serializer i just wrote: http://wowi.pastey.net/818 |
| 11:51.44 | krka | pretty easy stuff |
| 11:53.14 | krka | actually, the deserialization is kinda dangerous :) |
| 11:53.36 | wereHamster | I do setfenv() and pcall() ;) |
| 11:53.38 | krka | should probably let it run in a minimal environment |
| 11:53.44 | krka | yeah |
| 11:54.09 | krka | it doesn't really need to know _anything_ about the environment if it's a proper string |
| 11:54.34 | krka | but loadstring is good, since you could then improve the serialization to handle loops in tables and stuff |
| 11:54.44 | krka | and the deserialization would still work |
| 11:56.41 | JoshBorke | bbiab |
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| 12:02.34 | AnduinLothar | MobileMinimapButtons updated |
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| 12:09.48 | JoshBorke | ok i'm back :-) |
| 12:10.09 | thr | Simple question here realy, take this xml element as an example: <Backdrop bgFile="Interface\TutorialFrame\TutorialFrameBackground" edgeFile="Interface\DialogFrame\UI-DialogBox-Border" tile="true"> |
| 12:10.53 | thr | You see the edgeFile="" and bgFile="" properties, those contains paths relative to your %WOWDIR% (or something ;p) but they're actually in MPQ files - now how do i find out what other edgeFiles, bgFiles, etc. i can use? |
| 12:11.16 | thr | Do i have to use a tool to unpack the MPQ files or is there any quick resource on the wiki, etc. where i can find the most common ones? |
| 12:11.36 | wereHamster | Blizzards UI Customization Tool can extract the files from the MPQ archives |
| 12:12.02 | wereHamster | maybe purl knows the link ? |
| 12:12.14 | |FF|Im2good4u | OMG !!! my server is down ! |
| 12:12.16 | thr | Would you care to give me a link? And it's perfactly valid to do this? ;> |
| 12:13.02 | |FF|Im2good4u | the link is on wiki |
| 12:13.20 | wereHamster | ~framexml |
| 12:13.22 | purl | get the official Blizzard Interface AddOn Kit here: http://www.blizzard.com/support/wow/?id=aww01671p |
| 12:13.24 | wereHamster | here you go.. |
| 12:14.09 | |FF|Im2good4u | http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_View_Blizzard%27s_Interface_Code |
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| 12:16.24 | Kirkburn | Who killed the wiki, eh? |
| 12:16.44 | Kirkburn | Was it you? *points randomly at people* |
| 12:17.09 | thr | purl / wereHamster thanks so much, is there any resource where i can find some comonly used textures, etc. so i dont need to dig thru everything myself? :) |
| 12:17.10 | purl | thr: okay |
| 12:18.40 | wereHamster | purl, forget / wereHamster thanks so much, |
| 12:18.40 | purl | wereHamster: i forgot / werehamster thanks so much, |
| 12:19.56 | thr | stupid bots ;< |
| 12:20.21 | wereHamster | wdn has only the lua/xml files.. |
| 12:20.45 | AnduinLothar | kirk i was just using it, musta been me |
| 12:21.27 | Kirkburn | Hmm, I think it mght not like my IP again, restarting the router ... |
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| 12:24.26 | AnduinLothar | what's the name of that mod (the one not made by me) that adds ignore and who and various options to player drop down menus? |
| 12:24.45 | Kirkburn1 | Yup, it hated my IP again |
| 12:28.34 | thr | hmm, is there any tutorial on how to create dropdown menus? ;< |
| 12:29.08 | AnduinLothar | nto yet |
| 12:29.38 | thr | well, can anyone point me into the direction of a simple addon using a dropdown menu then? ;> |
| 12:29.56 | thr | from which i can pick up the general idea and then get into some (usually nasty ;P) trial 'n error. |
| 12:30.27 | AnduinLothar | i've written ahlf a dozen of them.. none of them are simple rly. |
| 12:30.48 | AnduinLothar | I'd say lookat chatclick, btu that's not published lol |
| 12:31.41 | thr | hmm well, something like: create a frame that acts as the parent for all the elements in the dropdown, create fontstrings with onclick-events dynamicly inside the dropdown? |
| 12:31.57 | krka | hm, maybe i should write a serialization routine that handles looped tables |
| 12:31.59 | krka | that'd be fun |
| 12:32.00 | AnduinLothar | it's simpler than that |
| 12:32.14 | AnduinLothar | krka, pretty sure sea already does that, no? |
| 12:32.15 | thr | ok ;> that sounds good, but how ? ;> |
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| 12:32.23 | krka | it does? |
| 12:32.23 | AnduinLothar | if not, fire does |
| 12:32.43 | AnduinLothar | i dunno, check it out. mayeb it doesn't |
| 12:32.55 | wereHamster | krka, you serialization function isn't very network-friendly ;) for simple tables it creates unnecessarily long strings |
| 12:33.16 | krka | yeah, i considerd making a special case for integer keys |
| 12:34.18 | wereHamster | and if the key is a string, you can omit the '['..']' |
| 12:34.56 | wereHamster | string without whitespaces.. |
| 12:35.28 | thr | SO, AnduinLothar you have no place you can point me to on how to make a dropdown? |
| 12:36.01 | AnduinLothar | UIDropDownMenu.lua |
| 12:36.28 | thr | By now i should've guessed so ;> |
| 12:36.30 | krka | not for all cases wereHamster |
| 12:36.41 | krka | i think atleast |
| 12:36.59 | krka | is that the only rule? no whitespaces? |
| 12:38.15 | wereHamster | no |
| 12:38.24 | thr | AnduinLothar: Ok, I see your point - tho that is how to actually create it from scratch, and for some reason i have the feeling that's not done every time? |
| 12:38.51 | AnduinLothar | use the function int here to make your dropdown |
| 12:38.57 | wereHamster | the first character mustn't be a number |
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| 12:39.02 | AnduinLothar | check UnitPopup.lua for an example of usage |
| 12:39.09 | thr | ok, thanks. |
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| 12:46.47 | thr | can i find a listing of the different script-elements such as OnLoad, OnHide, OnShow, etc.? |
| 12:48.09 | thr | forget it ;< |
| 12:48.25 | wereHamster | grep "<On" FrameXML/*.xml | sort | uniq |
| 12:48.32 | krka | my new serializer handles integer keys and easy string keys |
| 12:48.34 | krka | yay me |
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| 12:54.06 | thr | is EditBox used for both single line <input>-style objects and multiline <textarea>-objects? |
| 12:55.29 | krka | yes |
| 12:56.17 | thr | is there any blizzard element i can inherit from to easily create textarea style input fields? |
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| 13:02.37 | Kirkburn | Ooooooh |
| 13:02.40 | Kirkburn | "Blizzard Entertainment licenses Havok 4.0 Engine" |
| 13:02.56 | Kirkburn | (http://www.blizzplanet.com/?action=news&id=1030) |
| 13:03.34 | Beladona | 0.o |
| 13:03.45 | Beladona | that could be for anything though |
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| 13:04.00 | Kirkburn | Indeed, but it is for *something* :P |
| 13:05.25 | AnduinLothar | they liscenced it for mac too, so it's probably not for ghost |
| 13:05.32 | thr | Hmm, a question about ccreating multiline editboxes, well as i realized the expand forever and ever, and i read on the wiki that you have to use :SetPoint() to set the top/bottom anchors, fine i read about :SetPoint() but i can't find any specific on how to set the top/bottom anchors? Ar have i missed something? |
| 13:05.40 | Beladona | world of diablo |
| 13:05.43 | Beladona | =D |
| 13:05.51 | AnduinLothar | aye, with rag doll effects |
| 13:06.03 | Beladona | they should name it something different |
| 13:06.07 | Beladona | like diablo universe |
| 13:06.14 | Beladona | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:06.19 | AnduinLothar | Diablo 3d |
| 13:06.25 | AnduinLothar | :P so 90's |
| 13:06.26 | Kirkburn | Oooh, this is interesting news |
| 13:06.27 | |FF|Im2good4u | wut frame types are dropdown menu's ? |
| 13:06.30 | Beladona | err |
| 13:06.37 | Beladona | Duke Nukem Diablo |
| 13:06.39 | Kirkburn | Mount Changes in 1.12.1: http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=35403625&sid=1 |
| 13:06.39 | Beladona | ha |
| 13:06.57 | thr | ah i found it i think. |
| 13:06.58 | Kirkburn | A little bit of spam: Mounts now require only one, shared riding skill (blue mounts require level 75, epic mounts, level 150). Also costs of learning this skill are now significally increased. Previously, cost of learning riding skill was 20 gold for each kind of mount, without any discount. Now it will be 90 gold for level 75 and 900 for level 150. Level 150 of riding skills is required for epic mounts and will most probably in |
| 13:06.58 | Kirkburn | clude PvP mounts and all mounts that drop in instances (Tiger, Raptor, Baron mount, bug mount and maybe paladin and warlock mount too). For now I can confirm that it is required to ride Stormpike Battle Charger, rest of mounts require confirmation. |
| 13:07.00 | AnduinLothar | ya ya, you're liek 24 hours behind kirk |
| 13:07.10 | Kirkburn | :( |
| 13:07.35 | Kirkburn | Ya boo sucks :) |
| 13:08.21 | zenzelezz | I hate those stupid changes |
| 13:08.28 | Beladona | damn, when did the test server go online? |
| 13:08.29 | zenzelezz | at the very least the dropped mounts should be "free" |
| 13:08.35 | Beladona | I have been horribly out of the loop |
| 13:09.02 | |FF|Im2good4u | damh suxors :( |
| 13:09.04 | Beladona | and is 5803 the only ptr build so far, or was there another? |
| 13:09.13 | |FF|Im2good4u | it was hella hard to get my frist mouth already |
| 13:09.16 | wereHamster | where can I d/l the PTR client? |
| 13:09.35 | thr | ok, silly me i realized on how to anchor the top/bottom with setPoint |
| 13:09.43 | thr | but my editbox still overrides my backdrop |
| 13:09.44 | Beladona | on the official wow site |
| 13:09.47 | |FF|Im2good4u | but does any1 know the frametype i got to use whit CreateFreame for a dropdown menu ? |
| 13:10.10 | Beladona | on the left menu --- Account -> Public Test Realm -> click the PC or Mac link |
| 13:10.43 | AnduinLothar | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=27722895&pageNo=3#52 |
| 13:10.47 | AnduinLothar | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=27722895&sid=1&pageNo=11#201 |
| 13:11.19 | wereHamster | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:11.47 | Beladona | |FF|Im2good4u: use 'Frame' as the frame type |
| 13:11.53 | Beladona | thats all the drop down menus are |
| 13:11.59 | |FF|Im2good4u | ah k thanks :p |
| 13:12.13 | Beladona | you just inherit what you need, for example UIDropDownMenuTemplate |
| 13:12.13 | AnduinLothar | so if you already have your epic you'll be able to buy new cheeper mounts |
| 13:12.38 | |FF|Im2good4u | i only got the 60% :( /me cry's |
| 13:12.51 | AnduinLothar | the really stupid thing is that i dont think classes that get quest mounts will have the riding skill |
| 13:13.24 | |FF|Im2good4u | are TBC nether dragons gona cost 225 skill :p |
| 13:14.14 | Beladona | wait |
| 13:14.22 | AnduinLothar | ya, if pallies and locks dont have the skill from epic we're gettign screwed fro expansion |
| 13:14.25 | Beladona | here is what I want to know |
| 13:14.31 | AnduinLothar | unless we get quests fro those too |
| 13:14.51 | Beladona | if someone has the riding skill purchased, but not the mount, do we get journeyman riding skill, or no? |
| 13:15.06 | AnduinLothar | i want to ride a gryphons and locks shoudl be able to summon demons to ride |
| 13:16.00 | AnduinLothar | and one we get gryphons we need to be able to hammer of wrath from the air |
| 13:16.05 | thr | AnduinLothar: So i created my editBox, multiline set to true and a backdrop. i also positioned the editBox with setPoint() for top/bottom, but when i type in it it still overflows? How do i fix this? |
| 13:16.11 | AnduinLothar | cept it needs to glow 3x as big |
| 13:16.30 | AnduinLothar | what do you mean by overflows? |
| 13:16.32 | zenzelezz | "Transfer Aborted: instance not found" -- when being auto-portaled to Ironforge |
| 13:16.47 | thr | well when i type in it the text goes outside the backdrop |
| 13:16.52 | Beladona | if crashed! long live if! |
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| 13:17.11 | zenzelezz | unfortunately it's not just Ironforge... my whole damn server's acting up again |
| 13:17.20 | zenzelezz | and they only just solved the two weeks of lag two days ago |
| 13:17.24 | _bs | does anyone know a good way of determining if a group is a party or a raid? GetNumRaidMembers doesn't seem a good option as a raid can have < 5 members too |
| 13:17.27 | |FF|Im2good4u | Hutars should be able to ridethier own pets :P |
| 13:17.38 | JoshBorke | so should warlocks |
| 13:17.42 | JoshBorke | erm |
| 13:18.19 | |FF|Im2good4u | _bs: http://www.wowwiki.com/API_UnitInRaid <- this maybe |
| 13:19.08 | _bs | |FF|Im2good4u: if i'm not mistaken, that would only tell me if a particular player is in the group |
| 13:19.19 | |FF|Im2good4u | yeh :p |
| 13:19.19 | Beladona | in the raid |
| 13:19.23 | _bs | and i just want to know if it's a party or a raid.. |
| 13:19.39 | _bs | so i'm not in the raid myself |
| 13:19.40 | |FF|Im2good4u | so u cant see if hes in a party or a riad |
| 13:19.43 | _bs | it's a party? :) |
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| 13:19.46 | Beladona | hmm |
| 13:19.56 | _bs | :? |
| 13:19.59 | Beladona | try GetRaidRosterInfo |
| 13:20.01 | JoshBorke | hm, using https on wowinterface is weird |
| 13:20.04 | Beladona | does it return nil when not in a raid? |
| 13:20.22 | _bs | Beladona: according to wowwiki, yes |
| 13:20.29 | Beladona | then that should work |
| 13:21.02 | _bs | Beladona: ok, this may be me.. but how does this tell me if the group is a raid or party? :) |
| 13:21.15 | JoshBorke | UnitExists('raid1') |
| 13:21.22 | JoshBorke | UnitExists('party1') |
| 13:21.37 | JoshBorke | AnduinLothar: does CRCLib require anything other than the lua? |
| 13:21.43 | thr | _bs wouldnt: "if(UnitInRaid("player") ~= nil) then" work? |
| 13:21.54 | wereHamster | GetNumRaid/PartyMembers() > 0 ? |
| 13:21.57 | Beladona | GetRaidRosterInfo would return data if you are in a raid. nil if not |
| 13:22.34 | Beladona | but yeah, UnitExists might be better |
| 13:22.38 | thr | Beladona: Maybe you can help me with this: I have an editbox, a nice littlebackdrop to go with it, etc. but when i type in it it just overflows the backdrop? I set the TOP/BOTTOM with SetPoint(); |
| 13:23.19 | Beladona | can you paste the code somewhere? |
| 13:23.21 | _bs | thr: depends.. does it return 1 in a party, then it may be usefull |
| 13:23.26 | Beladona | its always easier to see errors when you can see the code |
| 13:24.17 | thr | ye sure why not, it's very "trial-n-errorish" if you know what i mean, just recently started messing with the xml things mostly been working out my lua knowledge before that. |
| 13:24.20 | thr | gimme two seconds |
| 13:24.26 | JoshBorke | UnitExists('party1') will let you know if the player is in a party |
| 13:24.50 | Beladona | or raid1 for raid |
| 13:24.57 | thr | Beladona: http://pastebin.se/3734 |
| 13:25.21 | Beladona | what is this a aprent of? |
| 13:25.26 | Beladona | err child of |
| 13:25.44 | thr | just the frame that holds it |
| 13:25.56 | thr | a normal <frame> elementa with a backdrop |
| 13:26.25 | Kirkburn | I'm reading posibly the stupidest, most close-minded blog at the moment :/ |
| 13:26.33 | Beladona | do you want an Editbox? or an editable scrolling box? |
| 13:26.53 | thr | well, an editable scrolling box would be the best i think ;< |
| 13:27.25 | |FF|Im2good4u | does any1 got a howto creare a dropdown menu :p |
| 13:27.47 | thr | |FF|Im2good4u: I got the same problem, AnduinLothar told me to look in the UIDropdown-something in the blizzar dUI code |
| 13:27.54 | Beladona | I have created them before, if thats what you need |
| 13:27.58 | |FF|Im2good4u | im donig that atm :p |
| 13:28.55 | Beladona | thr: basically you want the editable box similar to what is in the macro screen right? |
| 13:29.00 | JoshBorke | i use DewDrop-1.1 |
| 13:29.02 | Beladona | when you make a macro |
| 13:30.00 | Beladona | scrolling boxes are not the same thing as edit boxes |
| 13:30.15 | Beladona | the reason your text overflows is because your character limit is bigger than the boxes size |
| 13:30.46 | |FF|Im2good4u | Beladona: wu i need is a litle more info about the UIDropDownMenu_Initialize like where it is used for and wut i got todo in that func |
| 13:31.27 | Beladona | I have an old version of one of my addons that used drop down menus for options |
| 13:31.30 | Beladona | lemme get the link for you |
| 13:32.17 | thr | Beladona: Ok, well how do i create a editable message scroll box? yes what's in the macro screen. |
| 13:35.12 | Beladona | thr: you want http://wdn.wowinterface.com/code/live/AddOns/Blizzard_MacroUI/Blizzard_MacroUI.xml |
| 13:35.23 | Beladona | specifically lines 394-435 |
| 13:35.46 | Beladona | notice they make a ScrollFrame, and the EditBox is inside the ScrollChild element |
| 13:35.54 | thr | ok, thanks |
| 13:36.10 | _bs | btw can you feed a playername to UnitInRaid()? |
| 13:36.40 | AnduinLothar | no |
| 13:36.41 | malreth | no |
| 13:36.50 | malreth | UnitX() functions take unit ids |
| 13:36.57 | _bs | mmkay, starting to get it then, ty ;) |
| 13:37.12 | Beladona | |FF|Im2good4u: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/download.php?id=4396&aid=1445 |
| 13:37.34 | Beladona | download that, and look at the xml, and lua files, I will answer questions if you need |
| 13:37.39 | AnduinLothar | So i WAS gonna update ChatIgnore.. ended up adding a dozen features.. |
| 13:38.21 | |FF|Im2good4u | wow u putted it all in 1 table oO |
| 13:38.48 | Beladona | yeah, I hate namespace pollution |
| 13:39.12 | Beladona | not the easiest to read code mind you, but it works |
| 13:39.26 | |FF|Im2good4u | lol ofc it works in lua everythnig workas |
| 13:40.08 | Beladona | mainly, you need a loading function, which does the UIDropDownMenu_Initialize, and UIDropDownMenu_SetWidth functions |
| 13:40.24 | Beladona | the Initialize function will run your Setup Function |
| 13:40.34 | Beladona | which should be where you actually add the menu items |
| 13:40.51 | Beladona | with UIDropDownMenu_AddButton |
| 13:41.29 | |FF|Im2good4u | oke |
| 13:42.01 | |FF|Im2good4u | im gona make bag slots items sort able by giving them types :p and the types go in the list ofc :P |
| 13:42.29 | Beladona | then when done, sit back, drink beer, rejoice |
| 13:42.33 | Beladona | heh |
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| 13:43.45 | |FF|Im2good4u | oke cool :P and thanks again :p |
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| 13:45.10 | Warla | any engineer here? |
| 13:45.34 | Warla | need someone to confirm something strange :-) |
| 13:45.39 | |FF|Im2good4u | Beladona: are return 5,6 of GetItemInfo localised ? |
| 13:46.11 | thr | Beladona: Is it a good idea to use ACE-2 ? As i feel that lib would solve many issues i'm currently having, no need to re-invent the wheel so to say? ;> |
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| 13:46.40 | yacoob | it's always good to reuse the code, and judging from my experience ace2 libs are well written. |
| 13:46.51 | yacoob | A bit chaotic release-wise, but fine otherwise :) |
| 13:47.30 | Mikk | |FF|Im2good4u: I'd assume that they're localized |
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| 13:47.41 | Mikk | I don't know for sure though |
| 13:47.53 | thr | ^^ Well i'm only doing some small mods for my guild, etc. and tbh i got enough code-writing at work to do so the less things i have to understand about the blizzard api,etc. for writing this is just good ;p |
| 13:48.23 | yacoob | thr: well, you'd have to dive in anyway, to *plan* your addon in a good way :) |
| 13:48.27 | Beladona | totally up to you thr. I am one of those people that doesn't like to use large libraries. I create libraries of my own, but I don't like loading a library of which I MIGHT use 10% of it |
| 13:48.41 | Beladona | so I make a library of what I WILL use |
| 13:49.02 | yacoob | ace2 is modular, isn't it? |
| 13:49.09 | Wobin | aye |
| 13:49.18 | Wobin | you can mixin what you want and leave out what you don't |
| 13:49.56 | thr | Beladona: Well, when I do my personal work in php or j2ee(tho you're practicly forcefed a hughe lib there ;>) i prefer to write my own all the time, but for these small things in the wow ui i don't know if wanna put the whole effort in ;p. |
| 13:50.17 | |FF|Im2good4u | arent there are predifined strings for ItemTypes ? http://www.wowwiki.com/ItemType so i cn make ARMOR work on all loc's ? |
| 13:51.22 | thr | And with the lack of good tutorials, etc. on how to do stuff most of it is trail and error and reading blizzards code which takes ages if you wanna learn it all. |
| 13:51.27 | thr | ACE-2 seems fine ;< |
| 13:52.35 | |FF|Im2good4u | can i use GlobalStrings.lua for localisation like ARMOR would be "armor" in the player is own loc ? |
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| 13:55.16 | Beladona | personally I think there is a learning curve when implementing Ace-2, that is as great or nearly as great as learning ui programming for new people |
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| 13:57.46 | Warla | no engineers around? :-/ |
| 13:58.23 | Wobin | I did engineering for a couple of years... |
| 13:58.24 | KevICG | software engineer... in a previous life. did you need torque equations or just some fancy shmancy algorithms? |
| 13:58.29 | Wobin | but then I switched to computer sciendce |
| 13:58.31 | Beladona | |FF|Im2good4u: I would assume the return is localized, but I would need to test that theory |
| 13:58.35 | Warla | i mean in game engineer ^^ |
| 13:58.46 | Beladona | gimme a sec, because I am running the test patch right now |
| 13:58.54 | thr | Beladona: ye probably, i'll just hack away on my own for now ;p |
| 13:59.02 | KevICG | warla: I play mental games to torture my children, but I don't think that counts |
| 13:59.05 | |FF|Im2good4u | well i only got the english so i cant test but if u wana test for me that that would be nice |
| 13:59.10 | Warla | heh |
| 13:59.35 | Beladona | you could test by changing the global for the string it uses, and then running a GetItemInfo to see if it returns your changed string |
| 13:59.52 | Beladona | thats what I was gonna try |
| 13:59.54 | Warla | if any goblin or gnome engineer could check something for me in game i'd appreceate it :-) |
| 14:00.28 | |FF|Im2good4u | well wut is global ? i cant find the string sadly :p |
| 14:00.43 | Wobin | oh |
| 14:00.49 | Wobin | that sort of engineer |
| 14:00.51 | thr | Beladona: Do you know any tutorial on how to use ScollFrame and EditBox together? Sure readin blizzards UI code but it get's very complicated very fast, if you know what i mean. |
| 14:00.52 | Warla | heh ya |
| 14:00.53 | Wobin | what do you need checked? |
| 14:01.02 | Warla | ok do you have a transporter |
| 14:01.05 | Warla | everlook or gankezan? |
| 14:01.06 | Wobin | aye |
| 14:01.10 | Wobin | everlook |
| 14:01.14 | Warla | perfect |
| 14:01.20 | Warla | tell me under what category its listed :-) |
| 14:01.32 | Wobin | in the crafting panel? |
| 14:01.35 | Warla | ya |
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| 14:01.43 | Wobin | k, one sec |
| 14:03.19 | Beladona | sorry thr, am afk off and on |
| 14:03.23 | Beladona | so if I don't respond, thats why |
| 14:03.58 | Beladona | I don't know of any tutorials, as I tend to just reference the blizz code. But then I have been coding it for a while, so I can pick up on it quickly |
| 14:04.14 | Beladona | there might be one on wowwiki, but not sure |
| 14:04.18 | AnduinLothar | think anyone will mind if I add a crap ton of other menu optiosn to ChatIgnore and rename it ExtraMenuOptions or will people whine that they only wanted ignore? |
| 14:04.29 | AnduinLothar | it only has 540 dls |
| 14:06.21 | Wobin | Warla: Miscellaneous |
| 14:06.25 | Warla | ok |
| 14:06.28 | Warla | now can you check |
| 14:06.30 | Warla | Arclight Spanner |
| 14:06.34 | Warla | what category is that one |
| 14:06.39 | Warla | and more important |
| 14:06.46 | Warla | both together? |
| 14:07.04 | Wobin | same category, separate listing |
| 14:07.08 | Warla | lol |
| 14:07.09 | Warla | ya |
| 14:07.15 | Warla | so you also have 2x Miscellanous category |
| 14:07.16 | Warla | ? |
| 14:07.17 | KevICG | anduin: folks will bitch anyway, whichever way you think makes sense :) |
| 14:07.24 | Wobin | yeah |
| 14:07.26 | TS|Skrom | THR is this what you were looking for? http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Scroll_EditBoxes_to_the_left_programatically |
| 14:07.32 | Warla | good to know its not just me |
| 14:07.35 | Wobin | hehe =) |
| 14:07.45 | Warla | becauise when i scanned professions always arclight spanner was missing |
| 14:07.50 | Warla | and i wondered why |
| 14:07.52 | Warla | now i know |
| 14:08.02 | Warla | the second miscellanous category overwrote first |
| 14:08.15 | Beladona | ok, trying to see if GetItemInfo returns localized ItemType strings, and can't find anything in the GlobalStrings that would likely match what it would use as a return. |
| 14:08.16 | Warla | so always arclight spanner went boom |
| 14:08.22 | Wobin | =( |
| 14:08.24 | Beladona | anyone here have a client other than enUS that can test it |
| 14:08.30 | Warla | then i noticed the blizzard nuubs screwed up |
| 14:08.52 | Warla | i think the blizz devs need a course.. "how tocode properly" |
| 14:09.16 | Warla | yesterday i almost got banned by a GM.... |
| 14:09.34 | Warla | i wanted a quest item restored... |
| 14:09.43 | Warla | Magebane Scion.. |
| 14:09.50 | Warla | an offhand i deleted like 1.5 years ago |
| 14:10.05 | Warla | i told the GM all details about the item |
| 14:10.17 | Warla | then suddenly he accused me for frauding and trying to trick him |
| 14:10.28 | Warla | i was like "hu? i completed that quest whats the prob"? |
| 14:10.39 | Warla | he said i try to cheap because i have the ring of protection |
| 14:10.45 | Warla | which was also reward from same quest |
| 14:10.54 | Warla | you got 3 items... the offhand the ring and a crappy amulet |
| 14:11.04 | Warla | he thought its a exclusively reward |
| 14:11.07 | Warla | so 1 of the 3 ^^ |
| 14:11.09 | Beladona | I had that problem once. It was over some stupid item. I was like "If I was gonna try to cheat you, wouldn't I ask for something a little better than a simple quest item?" |
| 14:11.38 | Warla | then he suddenly started laughing and said i blame it on that dev that messed up here.. because you indeed get all 3 items |
| 14:12.00 | Warla | magebane scion is a offhand with 10 arcane, nature and dfrost res (wanted it back for naxx) |
| 14:12.16 | Warla | but it worked extremly fast |
| 14:12.20 | Warla | when i woke up this morning |
| 14:12.26 | Warla | i got a email that had it attached |
| 14:12.37 | Wobin | hehe |
| 14:12.50 | KevICG | was it COD? |
| 14:12.55 | Warla | nope :-) |
| 14:12.57 | Warla | for free |
| 14:12.59 | Warla | woot |
| 14:13.01 | Beladona | |FF|Im2good4u: ok, itemType s localized |
| 14:13.01 | Warla | saved 60s |
| 14:13.11 | Beladona | should be able to use it without worrying about the client language |
| 14:13.44 | |FF|Im2good4u | well i want to sort items on thier type so i would get if type == "armor" them |
| 14:13.55 | |FF|Im2good4u | so need to localise "armor" |
| 14:14.14 | JoshBorke | think they'll ever finish the eranikus line from ST? |
| 14:14.43 | malreth | saved 60s? |
| 14:15.13 | |FF|Im2good4u | Beladona; may i aks wut global u chanced so i can use if type == getglobal(..) then |
| 14:15.14 | Beladona | finished how Josh? |
| 14:15.33 | Beladona | I didn't. Wowwiki says right there that it is localized |
| 14:15.46 | Beladona | but I can't find a global for it in GlobalStrings.lua |
| 14:16.00 | Beladona | so no clue where it gets it from |
| 14:16.15 | JoshBorke | Beladona: the chained essence of eranikus trinket |
| 14:16.56 | |FF|Im2good4u | hmm ill check the auctionui maybe that help bbut i think now :( |
| 14:17.00 | |FF|Im2good4u | not |
| 14:17.04 | Beladona | I did it, I am just not sure whats unfinished about it |
| 14:17.25 | Beladona | guess my memory is fuzzy |
| 14:17.27 | Kevorkian | I believe that quest is finished, such as it is |
| 14:17.44 | JoshBorke | well that stinks, because i want to keep my trinket! |
| 14:17.53 | Beladona | so keep it |
| 14:18.49 | AnduinLothar | that the poison aoe one? |
| 14:19.25 | |FF|Im2good4u | cool i got it i gues :p |
| 14:19.28 | Kevorkian | I think so |
| 14:20.06 | Beladona | |FF|Im2good4u: GetAuctionItemClasses() returns localized categories for each item type in the Auction house |
| 14:20.08 | |FF|Im2good4u | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetAuctionItemClasses <- will this requiere me to stand near a auction dude or not ? |
| 14:20.14 | |FF|Im2good4u | yeh |
| 14:20.16 | Beladona | not sure if it will match what GetItemInfo returns though |
| 14:20.23 | |FF|Im2good4u | it should |
| 14:20.54 | |FF|Im2good4u | but do i need tobe at a auctionhouse ? |
| 14:21.44 | Beladona | dunno |
| 14:22.01 | |FF|Im2good4u | oke else ill just partse it 1 time thne sore it in a saved table :p |
| 14:22.03 | Beladona | there is also the CLASS_FILTERS table |
| 14:22.18 | Beladona | which is auto filled with auction house categories |
| 14:22.39 | Beladona | but you would need to initialize it yourself if teh player didn't go to an Auction house previously in the session |
| 14:23.16 | Beladona | Blizzard_AuctionUI is LoadOnDemand too, so you can't use it's functions unless you load it first |
| 14:23.23 | Kevorkian | anyone know if anybody has ported a handy encryption library to encrypt passwords with? |
| 14:23.33 | Beladona | but that doesn't apply to GetAuctionItemClasses |
| 14:23.53 | |FF|Im2good4u | ah oke so i let the payer go there only onces then store it in a saved variable to waste the player memory ! |
| 14:24.55 | malreth | shocking image of the day: http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_1993694.html?menu= |
| 14:25.12 | Kevorkian | SFW? |
| 14:26.32 | |FF|Im2good4u | lol |
| 14:26.34 | Beladona | or you could do the same thing that the Initialize function does, and use the CLASS_FILTERS table, since it is getting used anyway |
| 14:26.45 | Beladona | save memory that way, since you aren't making two tables that do the same thing |
| 14:27.09 | Kevorkian | malreth: is that image safe for work? |
| 14:27.17 | malreth | it is... |
| 14:27.29 | malreth | probably not safe for your sanity, though |
| 14:27.32 | |FF|Im2good4u | but i would realy like to save my table so i dont have to wai until osme1 has gone to the auctionhouse every game :p |
| 14:27.44 | Beladona | you can |
| 14:28.01 | Beladona | just look at the auction house ui, and duplicate part of its functions |
| 14:28.02 | malreth | but safe for work it is |
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| 14:28.48 | Beladona | I say use the same table simply because there is no need to make two totally separate tables that have basically the same data. Use one, and it will get updated both when you addon updates it, AND when the auction house updates it |
| 14:29.01 | Beladona | you are just referencing it |
| 14:29.12 | Beladona | anyway, bbs - staff meeting |
| 14:29.36 | thr | Bela|AFK: Thanks so much, i made it work with the scrollframe <3 for all your help |
| 14:29.56 | thr | wasn't that tricky i just needed some food, take a break from coding and i came back and figured it out :) thanks for all your help |
| 14:30.45 | Kevorkian | malreth: actually saw that bit yesterday. Gotta wonder at the ambitions of some people. "What do you want to do with your life?.. Oh I think I'd like to leverage my natural talent for making my eyes pop out for fun and profit" |
| 14:31.40 | |FF|Im2good4u | Bela|AFK: hmm yeh good point |
| 14:31.43 | malreth | here's your breakfast |
| 14:31.47 | AnduinLothar | mmmm i have poptarts |
| 14:32.40 | malreth | i was mean to ckknight last night so this is my way of making it up to him |
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| 14:33.44 | Kevorkian | most pop tarts include caramel coloring, which causes migraines in a small portion of the populace, which I am unfortunately a part of |
| 14:33.48 | Qzot | Heyo. |
| 14:33.57 | AnduinLothar | >.< |
| 14:34.10 | Kevorkian | although it's not as evil as MSG |
| 14:34.16 | Kevorkian | that stuff just makes my head explode |
| 14:34.21 | AnduinLothar | wow, allergic to carmel coloring.. that's like half of processed foods |
| 14:34.31 | wereHamster | this castingbar looks buggy: http://dbservice.com/ftpdir/tom/cb.mp4 but if you stop at any frame you'll see that the right edge is always vertical... |
| 14:34.36 | AnduinLothar | and msg... so half of asian fast food too |
| 14:34.59 | AnduinLothar | vertical sync |
| 14:35.09 | Qzot | Question: What API functions are relevant to positioning a frame relative to the curser/mouse? I know it's here somewhere... |
| 14:35.27 | Kevorkian | where it hurts me is on sauces. most all barbeque sauces, dark salad dressings, etc have it |
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| 14:36.23 | wereHamster | I have vertical sync enabled |
| 14:36.40 | malreth | i.. *sob* i just wanted to do some-- thing... *sob* |
| 14:36.52 | wereHamster | and it looks 'correct' with a solid texture (instead of a gradient texture) |
| 14:36.58 | TS|Skrom | does spelling on the tags of xml matter as long as both match? |
| 14:37.04 | TS|Skrom | I'm sorry, not spelling |
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| 14:37.09 | TS|Skrom | capitalization |
| 14:37.12 | AnduinLothar | yes |
| 14:37.17 | Kevorkian | yep |
| 14:37.33 | TS|Skrom | so <UI> wouldn't work... has to be <ui> |
| 14:37.48 | Kevorkian | egads, no handy encryption libs made. how do you folks usually do password checking? |
| 14:38.21 | JoshBorke | erm, passwords? |
| 14:38.24 | JoshBorke | whater those? |
| 14:38.40 | Kevorkian | heh, want to make a guild mod that allows password access to certain features. |
| 14:38.49 | Qzot | Hello? Is there a way to get the current mouse/cursor x,y location? |
| 14:39.08 | JoshBorke | Qzot: yes |
| 14:39.48 | Qzot | JoshBorke: Am I going to have to beg? |
| 14:40.04 | JoshBorke | why yes,y es you are |
| 14:40.11 | JoshBorke | oh dear ,the wiki appears to have some bugs |
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| 14:41.07 | JoshBorke | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetCursorPosition |
| 14:41.33 | TS|Skrom | Whoever updated http://www.wowwiki.com/XML_User_Interface with the template info, thank you :P |
| 14:43.13 | zinor | Kirkburn1 you here |
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| 14:43.50 | Kirkburn | yup |
| 14:45.22 | zinor | wanna test something for me real quick? :) |
| 14:45.41 | Maldivia | ... sounds like a trick question |
| 14:45.49 | Kirkburn | Could do, could do :) |
| 14:46.08 | zinor | http://www.cursebeta.com/accounts/register/ |
| 14:46.11 | zinor | go reg real quick :P |
| 14:46.18 | zinor | we're gonna import userbase today but havent got that far yet :P |
| 14:46.48 | Kirkburn | Giant error!! |
| 14:46.51 | zinor | really? |
| 14:46.52 | zinor | sec |
| 14:47.04 | zinor | http://www.cursebeta.com:8080/accounts/register/ |
| 14:47.04 | zinor | try that |
| 14:47.43 | Kirkburn | Still errors :/ |
| 14:47.49 | Kirkburn | "TypeError at /accounts/register/" |
| 14:48.08 | Kirkburn | "/usr/home/www/cursedjango/cursesite/userext/manipulators.py in checkCaptcha, line 54" |
| 14:49.01 | zinor | hrm |
| 14:50.53 | zinor | sec making the guy whos handling that page fix :DP |
| 14:51.04 | Cairenn|sleep | zinor, question for you? |
| 14:51.09 | zinor | ya |
| 14:51.11 | Cairenn|sleep | http://forums.curse-gaming.com/showthread.php?t=8210 |
| 14:51.15 | Cairenn|sleep | seen it before? |
| 14:51.34 | zinor | nope, whats up? |
| 14:52.08 | Cairenn|sleep | you're going to sit there and tell me you didn't know you've got your own irc channel? |
| 14:52.17 | zinor | oh, ya i know about it |
| 14:52.19 | zinor | i thought you meant the thread |
| 14:52.43 | Cairenn|sleep | so .... why not use that channel to get testers and feedback and stuff? |
| 14:52.52 | Legorolo | can someone tell me the following stats: what's the current debuff limit on mobs, what's the limit on opposing players, and how many debuffs does the default UI show on the target frame? |
| 14:52.53 | zinor | cuz they're not really uhh |
| 14:52.59 | zinor | they're more random people |
| 14:53.06 | zinor | this channel is full of uhh |
| 14:53.11 | zinor | more.. hrm |
| 14:53.13 | Mikma | zinor: same error with me |
| 14:53.21 | Kirkburn | Intelligence? :) |
| 14:53.25 | thr | Hmm, how exactly does inherit work? If i inhert one frame to another, does all the sub frames of the frame i inheritade come with to the new one? hard to explain, but this: http://pastebin.se/3736 does not work, have i missed something? |
| 14:53.30 | zinor | well ya but i dont mean it in such a harsh way like that ;P |
| 14:53.50 | zinor | besides the fact that half of them dont speak good english :s |
| 14:53.57 | Kirkburn | It's not as if it insults *us*, which is the important part :P |
| 14:54.18 | zinor | here, last 2 lines of text in the chan |
| 14:54.19 | zinor | (16:42:21) (Livius) swe? |
| 14:54.19 | zinor | (16:42:22) ([ww]Nicole) nappar |
| 14:54.21 | zinor | :P |
| 14:54.47 | Mikma | hah |
| 14:55.14 | |FF|Im2good4u | ìs there a simpel way to load GetAuctionItemClasses() into a table like TABLE = GetAuctionItemClasses() ? |
| 14:57.01 | Maldivia | |FF|Im2good4u: table = { GetAuctionItemClasses() } |
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| 14:57.09 | |FF|Im2good4u | ah cool :p |
| 14:58.06 | TS|Skrom | is string.find(string) a valid comparison for an if just by itself? |
| 14:58.47 | TS|Skrom | or do you need to do var = string.find(string,parse) and then do if var then? |
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| 14:58.57 | [RTE] | hello |
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| 15:00.45 | Cairenn|sleep | hi [RTE] |
| 15:01.03 | [RTE] | sleep-talking are we? :) |
| 15:01.41 | [RTE] | hows things? |
| 15:02.12 | Mikk | "There are more than 3 million players in China and slightly fewer than 2 million in the United States." |
| 15:02.15 | Mikk | toldya |
| 15:02.16 | Cairenn|sleep | oh blah |
| 15:02.55 | Qzot | Levy's article? |
| 15:03.06 | Mikk | it's from http://www.scifi.com/sfw/news/sfw_news_20060911.html |
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| 15:04.35 | Qzot | Yeah. Pretty sure I read the same -- maybe MSNBC -- in a longer article. |
| 15:06.03 | Kirkburn | SO that means roughly equal numbers of EU and NA players |
| 15:06.27 | cogwheel | Gee... they're not trying to get people in on the BC beta, are they? http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=23552362&sid=1 |
| 15:06.39 | Kirkburn | Although it specifies US, so it might mean there's more on the NA side |
| 15:06.50 | Kirkburn | Is that the murlocs post? |
| 15:06.56 | cogwheel | yep |
| 15:06.58 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 15:07.14 | Qzot | Ihttp://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14757769/site/newsweek/ <-- I think I read that same sentence in this longer format. Can't find it in there atm. |
| 15:08.07 | Qzot | JoshBorke: Thanks! Missed that, somehow, in the GetCurserMoneyForBabysitter() crap. |
| 15:09.04 | JoshBorke | np Qzot |
| 15:09.58 | Kevorkian | qzot: you ever figure out a nice method to do that quick targetting thingy? |
| 15:11.03 | thr | I'll ask again, how does the "inherits" proprety work? if i iherit from one frame will i get "inherited copies" of all it's sub frames also? |
| 15:11.38 | thr | take this for example: http://pastebin.se/3738, that does not show the "HealingListScrollBox1" frame. |
| 15:11.40 | Legorolo | if by sub frames you mean children, then yes |
| 15:11.54 | thr | yes children, but take my code example there why doesnt it work? |
| 15:12.01 | Legorolo | let me check |
| 15:14.38 | thr | Did you find anything? ;< |
| 15:15.44 | JoshBorke | thr: yes |
| 15:16.15 | Legorolo | i don't see anything obviously wrong with it, thr |
| 15:16.31 | JoshBorke | thr: don't have things with the same name |
| 15:16.44 | thr | how do you mean? |
| 15:16.46 | JoshBorke | change MacroFrameText to $parent_MacroFrameText or something unique |
| 15:16.54 | thr | ah ok |
| 15:17.07 | Legorolo | that's a valid point, but it shouldn't affect the visibility of the scrollframe itself |
| 15:17.41 | Legorolo | JoshBorke is very right though, that does screw things up ;-) |
| 15:17.50 | thr | ok, changed it |
| 15:17.55 | thr | i'll show you the new code |
| 15:18.36 | thr | there: http://pastebin.se/3739 |
| 15:19.26 | Kevorkian | y'all didn't bonk me upside the head when I asked about passwords, passwords are stupid when you can modify the code to process the passwords in plaintext to not check the password |
| 15:19.36 | krka | fun project of the weekend, write a serializer that handles looping tables and stuff |
| 15:19.36 | Kevorkian | duh |
| 15:20.05 | Legorolo | thr: there is one subtle issue there with that frame |
| 15:20.13 | thr | please tell me :) |
| 15:20.31 | Legorolo | you won't be able to click outside the editbox (but still within the scrollframe) to set focus to the editbox |
| 15:20.44 | Legorolo | since the editbox initially starts off empty, it occupies only one line at the top |
| 15:20.55 | Legorolo | clicking anywhere in the rest of the area occupied by the scrollframe will do nothig |
| 15:20.57 | thr | ah ye i noticed, i know how to fix that ye |
| 15:21.05 | thr | just change the OnClick to the ScrollFrame isntead |
| 15:21.07 | thr | right? ;> |
| 15:21.09 | krka | this might even be a 3-pass-function |
| 15:21.17 | Legorolo | ehm... no |
| 15:21.34 | Legorolo | leave the current OnClick as it is, but add an additional OnClick to the scrollframe as well |
| 15:21.38 | thr | ah ok |
| 15:21.39 | thr | thanks :) |
| 15:21.47 | JoshBorke | does lua handle island garbage collection? |
| 15:21.48 | krka | i.e. hook it! |
| 15:21.52 | krka | JoshBorke: yes |
| 15:21.54 | Legorolo | if you removed the OnClick, then you'd have problem clicking the editbox ;-) |
| 15:22.01 | krka | if by island you mean cycles |
| 15:22.15 | Legorolo | it's mark-and-sweep, isn't it? |
| 15:22.18 | krka | yes |
| 15:22.23 | Legorolo | so it should |
| 15:22.25 | cogwheel | ~seen kyahx |
| 15:22.47 | purl | kyahx <n=kyahx@144.13.213.33> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 8h 53m 15s ago, saying: 'Ubuntu Dapper'. |
| 15:22.47 | thr | Legorol, thanks for that - but, how i fix it so that i can clone the template scrollframe and use it everywhere? |
| 15:22.47 | krka | with 5.1 it's incremental mark-and-sweep |
| 15:23.01 | Legorolo | thr: write this in the OnClick handler: |
| 15:23.03 | krka | i wonder if that's more efficient that mark-and-sweep combined with reference counting |
| 15:23.22 | krka | i mean, most cases (and with proper coding) reference counting should catch a lot |
| 15:23.34 | Legorolo | local box = getglobal(this:GetName().."_EditBox"); box:SetFocus(); |
| 15:23.39 | Kirkburn | Btw, just checking that you know you can msg purl directly with commands? |
| 15:23.53 | Kirkburn | That way you can add stuff secretly ;) |
| 15:24.11 | thr | Legorol: thanks :) |
| 15:24.23 | Legorolo | final note: |
| 15:24.36 | Legorolo | it is customary not to have underscores in the names of widgets |
| 15:24.47 | Legorolo | so i recommend $parentEditBox instead of $parent_EditBox |
| 15:24.57 | Legorolo | functionality is identical but that's how everyone does it |
| 15:24.57 | JoshBorke | Legorol: why's that? |
| 15:25.05 | Legorolo | *shrug* |
| 15:25.08 | JoshBorke | just by convention? |
| 15:25.10 | Legorolo | unspoken standard? |
| 15:25.13 | Legorolo | yeah convention |
| 15:25.20 | thr | Legorol: Thanks, ye convention ^^ but... that still doesnt fix my intial problem ;< |
| 15:25.26 | Legorolo | what would that be |
| 15:25.31 | cogwheel | Using mixed case identifiers serves the same purpose as using underscores |
| 15:25.36 | cogwheel | it's redundant to use both |
| 15:25.59 | Legorolo | underscore is conventionally used in addon code for global function names |
| 15:26.09 | Legorolo | and global variables |
| 15:26.17 | Legorolo | and only to delineate addon name from the rest |
| 15:26.19 | Qzot | Anyone here a black belt in GUIs? |
| 15:26.24 | Legorolo | e.g. MyAddOn_SomeCoolFunction |
| 15:26.56 | Qzot | Can you guess what I'm trying to do, and tell me how to do it correctly? (Sending out brain waves...) |
| 15:26.56 | Legorolo | that's a different semantic ;-) |
| 15:27.06 | Qzot | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:27.08 | cogwheel | yes, but it's more usable |
| 15:27.15 | thr | Legorolo: Something like this you mean: http://pastebin.se/3740 tho it doesn't seem to focus on it |
| 15:27.54 | Legorolo | did you change the name of the editbox to $parentEditBox? |
| 15:27.57 | Kevorkian | quick question about scheduling events with Chronos, if I schedule an event in say, 5 seconds, and then zone into an instance for 30 seconds immediately after, does the event still get triggered after the zone? |
| 15:28.04 | krka | meh, name your stuff however you want |
| 15:28.05 | Legorolo | if so you need to remove the underscore from the getglobal(...) thing too ;-) |
| 15:28.12 | Legorolo | ok so it's not that, is it? |
| 15:28.13 | krka | i code with java style function names, but no one else seems to :) |
| 15:28.24 | thr | Legorolo no tot tha |
| 15:28.27 | thr | lol, no not that ^^ |
| 15:28.32 | Legorolo | put the <Size> tag first, and put <Scripts> after the <ScrollChild> |
| 15:28.51 | Qzot | Legorolo: I don't have a $parentEditBox. |
| 15:28.51 | krka | time to disappear for a day or two |
| 15:28.52 | JoshBorke | someone help me write a table traversal function |
| 15:28.56 | JoshBorke | bye krka |
| 15:28.58 | JoshBorke | do come back this time :-) |
| 15:29.08 | Legorolo | Kevorkian: i beleive so |
| 15:29.13 | krka | i'll still be on irc, just not reading anything here until sunday :P |
| 15:29.41 | thr | nope ;< |
| 15:29.41 | krka | screen irssi FTW |
| 15:29.41 | Qzot | JoshBorke: Traverses a table to do what...? |
| 15:29.41 | thr | i can paste it all for you |
| 15:29.41 | Legorolo | Qzot: oops wrong nick |
| 15:29.51 | thr | Legorolo: http://pastebin.se/3741 |
| 15:29.56 | AnduinLothar | can you do a SendWho by server in the bgs or ignore people from another server? |
| 15:30.01 | cogwheel | FYI: <Size x="##" y="##"/> works just as well as <Size><AbsDimension x="##" y="##"/></Size> and this shortcut works for many other tags.... |
| 15:30.19 | thr | cogwheel: Thanks |
| 15:30.33 | cogwheel | not even slouken seems to realize this ;) |
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| 15:30.43 | Qzot | Why does this not center a frame over the current cursor position? q:ClearAllPoints(); q:SetPoint("CENTER", nil, "BOTTOMLEFT", GetCursorPosition()) |
| 15:30.52 | Legorolo | cogwheel: that'd be non-standard XML that wouldn't pass validation by UI.xsd |
| 15:31.01 | cogwheel | legorolo, not true |
| 15:31.06 | Legorolo | O.o |
| 15:31.13 | Kevorkian | cogwheel: what lego said, xml all tags have to have starting and closing tags |
| 15:31.20 | Legorolo | Kevorkian: it's not that |
| 15:31.20 | cogwheel | I discovered it *because* of the xsd |
| 15:31.22 | JoshBorke | Qzot: one sec |
| 15:31.28 | Legorolo | Kevorkian: the syntax is correct |
| 15:31.38 | Legorolo | he is using <Script ........ / > |
| 15:31.39 | Qzot | That syntax is correct. |
| 15:31.41 | Legorolo | note the closing slash |
| 15:31.42 | Cairenn | <whatever /> works fine |
| 15:31.46 | Qzot | Notice the trailing "/". |
| 15:31.51 | thr | lol ;P |
| 15:31.54 | Legorolo | yay, beat Cairenn and Qzot! |
| 15:31.57 | Kevorkian | doh |
| 15:32.05 | Kevorkian | have to keep my trap shut then :) |
| 15:32.13 | Cairenn | nope |
| 15:32.24 | Legorolo | Kevorkian: don't let this hold you back, please do speak up whenever |
| 15:32.26 | thr | Anyways, Legorolo the OnClick element wont work: http://pastebin.se/3741 when i click the scrollbox, nothing happens |
| 15:32.34 | Legorolo | you should never feel silly for speaking up in this channel |
| 15:32.37 | Cairenn | Kevorkian: that's how you learn, after all |
| 15:32.40 | cogwheel | Legorolo, I've been using visual studio to edit my XML... it does autocomplete based on the XSD which is how i found those shortcuts :) |
| 15:32.48 | malreth | OnClick is only valid for buttons, no? |
| 15:32.48 | Legorolo | we have all done plenty of "d'ohs" and noone ever looks down on you |
| 15:32.56 | thr | nope |
| 15:33.00 | Legorolo | cogwheel: interesting |
| 15:33.01 | malreth | does it work for editframes? |
| 15:33.07 | thr | it works in my editbox. |
| 15:33.07 | Qzot | Yeah. Speak up. Doubtful that anyone will listen anyway, unless you make a mistake they can correct. ;) |
| 15:33.14 | malreth | EditBoxes, rather |
| 15:33.20 | Kevorkian | ty, you know, you folks are inordinately helpful for a help channel on irc. I'm so used to the "RTFM N00B" type ones |
| 15:33.29 | thr | maybe it doesnt work on my scrollframe tho, that's where i'm trying to use it |
| 15:33.39 | Qzot | Maybe because there ain't no manual? |
| 15:33.47 | malreth | ah... right... |
| 15:33.51 | Qzot | Except such as a few hear have been constructing. |
| 15:33.59 | Qzot | s/hear/here |
| 15:34.03 | Cairenn | Kevorkian: you'll get that here too |
| 15:34.08 | Cairenn | if you flat out deserve it |
| 15:34.13 | thr | malreth, you know if onclick works on scrollframes? |
| 15:34.13 | AnduinLothar | rtfm noob |
| 15:34.16 | Legorolo | cogwheel: ah you are right |
| 15:34.26 | Legorolo | thr: it does |
| 15:34.26 | malreth | checking right now, thr |
| 15:34.38 | malreth | or Legorolo will answer |
| 15:34.44 | Qzot | I have a MISTAKE in my code you can gloat over: q:ClearAllPoints(); q:SetPoint("CENTER", nil, "BOTTOMLEFT", GetCursorPosition()) |
| 15:34.47 | Legorolo | oh wait |
| 15:34.48 | Cairenn | Qzot: did you say something? |
| 15:34.50 | Legorolo | thr, you might be right |
| 15:34.52 | thr | Legorolo ;> |
| 15:35.01 | Legorolo | hm, i think i have to dig out my own scrollframe+editbox code :D |
| 15:35.05 | Legorolo | see how i did it |
| 15:35.10 | Cairenn | promises promises |
| 15:35.16 | thr | ok, thanks a bunch ;:) |
| 15:35.28 | cogwheel | Also, most things that take <AbsValue> can use a val="##" attribute |
| 15:35.51 | Legorolo | Qzot: don't you need a parent i SetPoint? |
| 15:35.54 | Legorolo | like UIParent |
| 15:36.11 | malreth | you know, you'd know if it were valid or not by looking at the Logs/FrameXML.log file |
| 15:36.13 | zinor | Kirkburn, can you try again now |
| 15:36.20 | JoshBorke | http://wowi.pastecode.com/4856 |
| 15:36.21 | Legorolo | cogwheel: i just found it, the trick that does it for Size is the Dimension type definition, wee |
| 15:36.31 | Qzot | I've tried replacing nil with "UIParent". |
| 15:36.59 | Kirkburn | zinor, works. He's taken out the start of the week thing :P |
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| 15:37.31 | Kirkburn | (Waiting for the email) |
| 15:37.49 | cogwheel | Legorolo, when I discovered it, I shaved about 1k off BuyEmAll's XML ;) all of the Offsets, AbsDimensions, and AbsValues went bye bye :) |
| 15:37.54 | Beladona | poing! |
| 15:37.55 | Qzot | I assume I'm doing something horribly wrong. |
| 15:38.35 | Qzot | There seems to be some sort of scaling issue going one. |
| 15:38.35 | Qzot | *on. |
| 15:38.37 | Qzot | Because when I position the cursor on the left side of the screen (near the origin), it positions it nearly correctly. |
| 15:38.37 | Legorolo | do you have a non-1 global UI scale/ |
| 15:38.44 | Legorolo | ? |
| 15:38.51 | Legorolo | that'd mess things up |
| 15:39.00 | Qzot | But when I position the cursor on the right side, it's about 2cm off. |
| 15:39.03 | Legorolo | right |
| 15:39.10 | Qzot | Legorollow: How would I check? |
| 15:39.17 | Legorolo | did you set one in interface options :) |
| 15:39.21 | Beladona | Legorollow? |
| 15:39.26 | Beladona | is that a brand of marshmallow? |
| 15:39.33 | Legorolo | did you tick the "use UI scale" or some such option? |
| 15:39.37 | Legorolo | from script, yo ucan do: |
| 15:39.42 | Legorolo | UIPanel:GetScale() |
| 15:39.46 | Legorolo | or GetEffectiveScale() |
| 15:39.51 | Legorolo | but the two should return the same for UIParent |
| 15:39.56 | Legorolo | s/UIPanel/UIParent/ |
| 15:40.03 | Legorolo | here is how i'd do it: |
| 15:40.23 | Legorolo | local x, y = GetCursorPosition(); |
| 15:40.34 | Legorolo | local scale = UIParent:GetScale(); |
| 15:40.43 | Legorolo | x = x / scale; y = y / scale; |
| 15:40.44 | Qzot | Is GetEffectiveScale a frame method? As a global, it's nil. |
| 15:40.49 | cogwheel | ~emulate cogwheel |
| 15:40.54 | purl | ACTION shakes 42 sperm whales at the forums. >:( |
| 15:40.54 | Legorolo | it's a frame method yes |
| 15:41.08 | Legorolo | i meant that UIParent:GetScale() == UIParent:GetEffectiveScale() |
| 15:41.23 | Legorolo | i guess it's better practice to use GetEffectiveScale |
| 15:41.24 | Legorolo | so use that |
| 15:41.36 | Qzot | Hmm. Both 0.89999997615814. |
| 15:41.38 | Legorolo | anyway, once yo uhave those x and y as above, use them |
| 15:41.48 | Legorolo | yup, then you are running in 1280x1024 with default interface options |
| 15:43.18 | zinor | Kirkburn, once you can login let me know |
| 15:43.21 | malreth | whoa... it's raining |
| 15:43.34 | Qzot | And is GetCursorPosition() relative to the screen, or to UIParent? |
| 15:44.06 | Kirkburn | zinor -> PMs |
| 15:44.24 | Legorolo | GetCursorPosition() is relative to UI root (which is effectively the screen) |
| 15:44.31 | Legorolo | hence the need to divide by the scale |
| 15:44.37 | Legorolo | all explained here: |
| 15:44.37 | Legorolo | http://www.wowwiki.com/UI_Coordinates |
| 15:45.13 | Qzot | Excellent. And thanks! Big leap forward! |
| 15:45.47 | Qzot | My raid target frame now pops up around the cursore. |
| 15:45.51 | Qzot | *cursor. |
| 15:47.26 | Legorolo | thr: ScrollFrame has no OnClick |
| 15:47.34 | Legorolo | use OnMouseUp instead of it, it will have same result |
| 15:48.39 | Legorolo | i'm out |
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| 15:50.55 | thr | ok, thank |
| 15:50.56 | thr | s |
| 15:53.21 | thr | Anyone that can help me figure out why my inheritance doesnt work? |
| 15:54.06 | thr | look at this code: http://pastebin.se/3743 "HealingListScrollBoxTemplate" is my ScrollBox template, and the last 4-5 lines i'm trying to create a "copy"(ie inherit from it) of it named: HealingListScrollBox1, but it doesn't work at all. |
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| 15:58.23 | malreth | you can only inherit virtual frames |
| 15:58.48 | malreth | so you'll have to declare your template with the property virtual="true" |
| 16:00.50 | thr | ah |
| 16:00.53 | thr | silly me i knew that ;< |
| 16:01.27 | malreth | and you should move the anchor from the template down to your actual instantiation of the frame |
| 16:01.48 | thr | ok, thanks |
| 16:02.09 | malreth | since it doesn't make sense for a virtual frame to be anchored to anything since it doesn't exist |
| 16:02.25 | thr | hmm, it doesn't work - let me show you the new code |
| 16:02.53 | malreth | how many of these healing lists are you planning to make, btw? |
| 16:03.03 | thr | http://pastebin.se/3744 |
| 16:03.11 | thr | 3-4 or something, not many |
| 16:03.36 | TS|Skrom | never fails, when I remember the "then" I forget a ) when I remember the ) I forget the "then" |
| 16:03.39 | thr | this addon is mostly to teach myself how all the xml wdigets wrotk. |
| 16:03.59 | malreth | best nerf post ever: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=27882913&sid=1 |
| 16:05.18 | thr | malreth: haha, yes by far the best thing i've ever read on those forum - care to look at my code again? please? :) |
| 16:06.01 | malreth | what is it doing this time, thr? |
| 16:06.19 | cogwheel | ~emulate cogwheel |
| 16:06.27 | purl | ACTION shakes 42 sperm whales at the forums. >:( |
| 16:06.27 | malreth | wait, nm |
| 16:06.34 | thr | malreth: samething as before, it doesnt show up ;( |
| 16:06.40 | malreth | what does your Logs/FrameXML.log file say about your addon? |
| 16:07.22 | thr | 9/15 18:05:56.531 Couldn't find inherited node: HealingListScrollBoxTemplate |
| 16:07.43 | thr | ok, so it can't find it... why? ;> |
| 16:08.17 | malreth | that means there is an error in your xml code for the template... it never gets created so the game cannot inherit from it |
| 16:08.32 | thr | YES |
| 16:08.33 | thr | i got it to work. |
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| 16:09.05 | malreth | oh? what was it? |
| 16:09.17 | thr | i had the template and the real frame as two child objects to another frame, when i put the template in the top leve direclty under <Ui> it worked. |
| 16:09.37 | thr | It seems logical now when i did it, but it doesn't say anything about that anywhere so i just put em next to eachother while hacking at them ;P |
| 16:09.54 | malreth | ah... good job there |
| 16:10.36 | thr | well, this is the good(and bad) about not having a proper manual, etc. for all of it |
| 16:10.37 | malreth | anyways, when working on xml stuff, the FrameXML.log file is really helpful for debugging your markup |
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| 16:11.09 | cogwheel | ~emulate cogwheel |
| 16:11.17 | purl | ACTION shakes 42 sperm whales at the forums. >:( |
| 16:11.17 | thr | when you know how to do something you realy know it in and out because you taught yourself ;p, and yes thnx for the hint on the framelxml.log ^^ |
| 16:11.17 | malreth | ok... gotta move. bbl |
| 16:11.23 | cogwheel | Why do they bother performing maintenance on the forums? it doesn't seem to do any good... |
| 16:11.57 | thr | it's not miantenance, they just refill thier giant cofee canister.. tho it requires so much power they have to unplug the forum server.s |
| 16:12.13 | TS|Skrom | http://www.wowwiki.com/XML_User_Interface#Using_Templatesemplate |
| 16:12.17 | TS|Skrom | a recent addition to the wiki :D |
| 16:12.29 | TS|Skrom | Why are some mobs flagged cooperate and some not that seems odd |
| 16:12.55 | thr | TS|Skrom you added that now? ;< |
| 16:13.00 | TS|Skrom | er not just "mobs" but two guys in town standing next to each other... one UnitCanCooperate("player","target") comes true, and one false |
| 16:13.10 | TS|Skrom | no but I had the same question the other day and I think bela or someone added it |
| 16:13.28 | thr | ah ok |
| 16:15.28 | thr | TS|Skrom how do i get the content of an editobxc? |
| 16:16.46 | thr | :GetText() lol@me |
| 16:17.19 | TS|Skrom | ~emulate TS|Skrom |
| 16:17.20 | purl | well, emulate ts|skrom is How do I.... |
| 16:17.33 | TS|Skrom | yeah... don't ask me questions... I' |
| 16:17.41 | TS|Skrom | I'm the one who always asks hehe |
| 16:18.18 | thr | ^^ |
| 16:19.01 | Cide | I can try to help if you have any questions.. most people seem to be dead atm |
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| 16:19.22 | Kevorkian | <-- undead |
| 16:19.43 | zenzelezz | I'm not dead, just ignorant |
| 16:19.58 | Cide | I'm undead :P |
| 16:20.25 | TS|Skrom | Cide, tell me why they give us somewhat useless api functions |
| 16:20.47 | Cide | such as? |
| 16:20.49 | TS|Skrom | or tell me a good replacment for UnitCanCooperate |
| 16:20.50 | malreth | useless? what's useless? |
| 16:20.58 | zenzelezz | I believe most of the API functions are used somewhere in the stock GUI |
| 16:21.02 | Cide | yep |
| 16:21.18 | Cide | most API functions are added because the blizz ui uses it, so... |
| 16:21.22 | Cide | it may not be useful to you :) |
| 16:23.15 | TS|Skrom | true I suppose |
| 16:23.26 | TS|Skrom | just trying to figure out why two alliance mobs return different values >< |
| 16:23.40 | zenzelezz | not all mobs are equal |
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| 16:24.10 | TS|Skrom | is there a good substitute? |
| 16:24.14 | Cide | what about UnitIsPlayer and UnitIsEnemy? |
| 16:24.42 | Xuerian | I've been using Ultraedit with the lua wordfile, what's the editor of choice for lua/wow addons? |
| 16:24.44 | TS|Skrom | not quite what I'm looking for and this prolly won't ever come up in gameplay I'm just trying to make sure to cover all angles |
| 16:24.53 | Cide | Xuerian: there are quite a few popular ones |
| 16:25.02 | Cide | most people seem to use SCiTe |
| 16:25.10 | Xuerian | What do you use? |
| 16:25.16 | Cide | I use TextPad with a homemade color scheme |
| 16:25.21 | TS|Skrom | with my addon it does auto rank picking and casting and if you have a friendly targeted (any alliance mob seems valid whether unitcancooperate comes back true or not ) it will cast on them |
| 16:25.47 | Xuerian | Ahh. Thanks. =) |
| 16:26.11 | Cide | letm e see if I can dig it up |
| 16:26.18 | TS|Skrom | what I wanted to check for is If (UnitCanCooperate) then If (not UnitIsUnit("target",chosenTarget) then TargetUnit(chosenTarget) end end |
| 16:26.39 | Cide | try UnitCanAttack |
| 16:26.42 | TS|Skrom | that way if you have a friendly targeted but it's not who you told the script or the script chose as your target then it switches your target |
| 16:26.49 | [RTE] | Yo, Cide, got a proposition for you |
| 16:26.53 | zenzelezz | I don't mod much, but when I do I use ConTEXT |
| 16:26.53 | Cide | [RTE]: shoot |
| 16:27.06 | [RTE] | I had a guy requesting one little addon from me |
| 16:27.20 | TS|Skrom | Oh Cide, I knew you'd come through for me, as usual hehe |
| 16:27.23 | [RTE] | it can be stand-alone, it could be part of my GTS |
| 16:27.34 | [RTE] | but I think it is best fit as a part of CT_Raid |
| 16:27.42 | TS|Skrom | UnitCanAttack is pretty much the opposite of UnitCanCooperate without the problem of not all mobs flagged for cooperation |
| 16:27.44 | [RTE] | Here;s idea: |
| 16:27.44 | Cide | hm? |
| 16:27.45 | TS|Skrom | beautiful |
| 16:28.15 | [RTE] | raid leaders/assist should be able to request raid for availability of certain addon and it's version |
| 16:28.43 | [RTE] | I know you already have that for CT_RA, but what he wants is for "given addon" |
| 16:28.47 | zenzelezz | you mean be able to check everyone's addons? Sounds icky |
| 16:28.53 | [RTE] | I'll write it over the weekend |
| 16:29.06 | [RTE] | if you want I can send you the code or whatever |
| 16:29.12 | Cide | [RTE]: I'll discuss it with ts |
| 16:29.17 | [RTE] | cool |
| 16:29.38 | Cide | it's borderline "too intrusive", but we solved that by allowing the user to decide whether the client should make such information available or not... we'll see |
| 16:30.16 | [RTE] | alright, I'll just make it and post it on c-g, if you want I'll pass it over to you |
| 16:30.40 | Cide | cool |
| 16:30.41 | Cide | TS|Skrom: glad it works :) |
| 16:30.50 | [RTE] | if it is stand-alone, people can choose not to install it, so ... |
| 16:33.55 | Cide | yeah |
| 16:34.10 | Kevorkian | is there a standard spot for putting the version? |
| 16:34.24 | [RTE] | .toc file? |
| 16:36.36 | Kevorkian | hmm, more thinking along the lines of a standard "GetVersion()" type function |
| 16:36.56 | [RTE] | you can get version from toc file |
| 16:37.29 | Kirkburn | Be Thrae|Away not away? When Thrae|Away be here, can Thrae|Away see http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=13151493&sid=1 please :) |
| 16:38.15 | [RTE] | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetAddOnMetadata |
| 16:38.42 | [RTE] | I use it in GTS, makes a lot easier to change version, only one place to warry about |
| 16:38.55 | [RTE] | worry* |
| 16:39.09 | Warla | anyone here that can answer me a lua / wow question? ^^ |
| 16:39.22 | [RTE] | ask away |
| 16:39.24 | Kevorkian | good to know :) |
| 16:39.41 | Warla | ok in the XML you can define lines of text |
| 16:39.44 | Maldivia | hmm, intresting mount changes for 1.12.1 |
| 16:39.48 | Kevorkian | saw that |
| 16:39.49 | Warla | which you can change font, size e.t.c |
| 16:39.56 | Warla | but thats just a line |
| 16:40.03 | Warla | is there an object thats more... |
| 16:40.12 | Warla | well adjusteable |
| 16:40.16 | Mikma | Warla: less ircing, more coding |
| 16:40.17 | Warla | so you have multiple lines |
| 16:40.29 | Warla | what i wanna do is this: |
| 16:40.39 | Warla | first you have a button <start scanning character> |
| 16:40.50 | Warla | when you clicked on it the button vanishes and a text comes saying |
| 16:40.57 | Warla | "please open spellbook" |
| 16:41.12 | Warla | once he done that a new line gets added and the previous line changes like this: |
| 16:41.18 | Warla | "spellbook scanned" |
| 16:41.22 | Warla | "please open mailbox" |
| 16:41.27 | [RTE] | first off you can use |n to add more lines to the "text" field |
| 16:41.35 | [RTE] | |n = new line character |
| 16:41.37 | Warla | ahh |
| 16:41.40 | Warla | |n |
| 16:41.47 | Kevorkian | sounds a lot like Roster |
| 16:41.48 | Warla | i tried \n which didnt work ^^ |
| 16:41.54 | [RTE] | :) |
| 16:41.59 | Warla | roster? |
| 16:42.13 | [RTE] | may want to use ScrollingMessageFrame though |
| 16:42.39 | Warla | Rte i kinda dont need a scrolling message frame |
| 16:42.52 | Warla | because i set the height of the window each time i add a line :-) |
| 16:43.16 | [RTE] | meh, your funeral :) |
| 16:43.20 | Kevorkian | sorry, not roster, CharacterProfiler, which feeds data to the web roster |
| 16:43.43 | Warla | yea the mod i'm working on does exactly the same |
| 16:44.10 | Warla | its very similar to characterProfiler |
| 16:44.27 | Warla | but it extracts other info and more info |
| 16:44.32 | Warla | and has a GUI |
| 16:44.32 | [RTE] | then why don't you use their code and extend it? |
| 16:44.56 | Warla | wouldnt i need to ask for their permission first to do that? |
| 16:45.30 | [RTE] | well yeah |
| 16:45.33 | Warla | besides... i have little knowledge how to make UI mods yet.. so i figured making one fixes that lack ^^ |
| 16:45.56 | [RTE] | start smalle, just a little advice :) |
| 16:45.58 | Warla | and gives me more freedom to do whatever i want with the mod = easier to update |
| 16:46.26 | Warla | well most stuff is made already :-) |
| 16:46.34 | Warla | http://www.wowledgebase.com/?id=1 |
| 16:46.46 | Cairenn | Warla: *most* authors won't have a problem with them using bits of their code if you have the courtesy to ask them first. it's the folks that rip off mods whole scale and try to claim it as their own that piss other authors off |
| 16:46.47 | Warla | heres an example of the output what the mod generates |
| 16:48.04 | Warla | Cairenn has a point :-) |
| 16:48.58 | [RTE] | wow, that looks pritty good |
| 16:49.03 | Warla | thx :-) |
| 16:49.09 | Warla | told ya i'm pretty far already :-) |
| 16:49.11 | [RTE] | don't know why you have spellbook there though |
| 16:49.27 | Warla | i kinda need the spellbook for various features of my profiler page |
| 16:49.40 | Warla | for example i have a feature that tells you the missing recipes |
| 16:49.41 | Warla | plants |
| 16:49.44 | Warla | schematics |
| 16:49.47 | Warla | of your tradeskills |
| 16:50.04 | Warla | in order to do that i do need to know what branch they are specialized in for tradeskills with branches |
| 16:50.08 | Warla | such as leatherworking |
| 16:50.10 | Warla | or engineering |
| 16:50.11 | [RTE] | hmmm, I take it's gona be another one of those online services? |
| 16:50.12 | Warla | blacksmith |
| 16:50.21 | Warla | RTE yes and no |
| 16:50.55 | Warla | i'm planning to make a website where everyone can upload their chars AND i give away the php/mySQL scripts for guilds to implement that into their webpages |
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| 16:51.18 | Warla | also the people from wowroster told me they are interrested to get their hands on the scripts once they are done |
| 16:51.35 | Gryphen | Warla, when you click on a faction from the rep pane, the popup comes up behind the bar of bags |
| 16:51.55 | Warla | Gryphen ya i know :-/ need to fix that still hehe |
| 16:52.04 | Gryphen | lookin good |
| 16:52.07 | Warla | thx :-) |
| 16:52.17 | Warla | best parts imho = tradeskills and quests |
| 16:52.18 | [RTE] | alright, sounds good |
| 16:52.21 | Warla | mail went cool too |
| 16:52.40 | Gryphen | it is married to allazahzam(sp)? |
| 16:52.47 | Warla | whats that? |
| 16:52.52 | Kevorkian | allakhazam :) |
| 16:52.53 | Gryphen | for item links |
| 16:52.59 | Warla | nah |
| 16:53.04 | Warla | i just added allakhazam |
| 16:53.11 | Warla | because they use the wow ingame item id |
| 16:53.11 | Gryphen | id rather use thott personally |
| 16:53.15 | Warla | so i can make the links easy |
| 16:53.21 | Warla | thottbot ids are kinda random |
| 16:53.22 | Gryphen | understandable |
| 16:53.41 | Warla | so i cannt just make www.thottbot.com/?i=wowitemid... |
| 16:53.47 | Warla | they have their own numbers |
| 16:54.04 | Warla | but i was thinking of a little cookie people can set |
| 16:54.10 | [RTE] | you can do a simple search for the name |
| 16:54.14 | Warla | that makes em open the links in either thottbot or allkhazam |
| 16:54.19 | Warla | ya |
| 16:54.23 | Warla | thats what i was thinking |
| 16:54.24 | [RTE] | it gives correrct result in 99% of the time |
| 16:54.27 | Gryphen | s=title works for me |
| 16:54.41 | Warla | yaq |
| 16:54.43 | Warla | that works |
| 16:55.08 | Warla | things i havent finished yet: |
| 16:55.14 | Warla | scanning for hunter/warlock pets |
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| 16:55.21 | Warla | enchanting... |
| 16:55.29 | Warla | for some reason the enchanting window i cannt get |
| 16:55.33 | Warla | it never scans it |
| 16:55.38 | Warla | whebn i open the profession |
| 16:55.43 | Warla | for all others it works |
| 16:55.46 | Gryphen | is it possible to load the icons when they are visible instead of all at once? |
| 16:56.07 | Warla | Gryphen.. i'd wish :-/ |
| 16:56.10 | Warla | well |
| 16:56.14 | Warla | you can use firefox |
| 16:56.23 | Warla | only IE seems to ber crappy enough to first load em all |
| 16:56.34 | Warla | firefox only loads em when they become visible |
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| 16:56.45 | Gryphen | blasphemy |
| 16:56.51 | Warla | so the loading feeling is much better on ff than ie |
| 16:56.52 | Qzot | Heyo. |
| 16:56.55 | Gryphen | ie ftw |
| 16:56.58 | Gryphen | :) |
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| 16:57.37 | Warla | but once you loaded the page |
| 16:57.40 | Warla | and load another |
| 16:57.43 | Warla | its much less worse |
| 16:57.50 | Warla | the caching works nice |
| 16:58.11 | Kevorkian | good thing I'm wearing asbestos |
| 16:58.27 | Qzot | This is a weird server: Horde has 2x as many auctions as Alliance. |
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| 16:59.07 | Kevorkian | although that asbestos does chaffe a little |
| 16:59.18 | Kevorkian | chafe |
| 17:01.06 | Kevorkian | I wonder if the new mount rules mean I can go out and buy the epic riding skill cheaply now, then go buy a cheap mount or if they'll actually check to see if you have an epic |
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| 17:03.03 | tyroney | anyone know the floating combat text? On PTR, it's changed and shows me every time I use "<Eviscerate>" in big green for no reason I can think of. |
| 17:03.49 | Beladona | I am updating the Templates section on wowwiki. I am right in saying that a template that inherits another template that has $parent keywords, will retain those $parent keywords for use in the final inherited frame? |
| 17:03.58 | Beladona | anyone know for sure? |
| 17:04.39 | tyroney | I would assume that. should I go edit something and make sure? |
| 17:04.51 | Beladona | you can, but I am fairly sure it does. It only makes sense |
| 17:05.09 | Beladona | one would think that if it didn't, it would break the functionality of the template |
| 17:05.15 | tyroney | Though I never considered inheriting a template in a template. |
| 17:05.27 | Beladona | its done all the time in blizzard code |
| 17:06.14 | tyroney | Wait, isn't $parent for the name only? Or does it work elsewhere? |
| 17:06.26 | Beladona | its smart actually. You can have generic templates, and then semi-generic templates that inherit those generic templates |
| 17:06.28 | Beladona | name |
| 17:06.44 | tyroney | Because if it's for the name, then how could you refer to a template that has $parent in it's name? |
| 17:06.56 | tyroney | UIParentTemplateName" |
| 17:06.58 | Beladona | $parent gets replaced by the name of teh parent after it gets inherited |
| 17:07.19 | tyroney | but when you make frame, it has inherits="name"... |
| 17:07.27 | Beladona | correct |
| 17:07.35 | Beladona | you can't use $parent in the name of the template |
| 17:07.40 | Beladona | only in child elements |
| 17:08.12 | Beladona | although I haven't tested that |
| 17:08.18 | tyroney | Ok. Back to my first question. Where is $parent allowed? If it's only allowed in name="", then it wouldn't make sense to be able to use it in a template, would it? |
| 17:08.23 | tyroney | Oh, ok. |
| 17:08.34 | Beladona | if you set the parent of a template to something, and then use $parent in the templates name, will it work? I would assume no |
| 17:08.44 | tyroney | There's no question in my mind that those would carry over just fine. (referring to your first question) |
| 17:08.49 | tyroney | Took me long enough. |
| 17:09.14 | tyroney | For some reason I wasn't thinking of template children. |
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| 17:19.12 | Beladona | ugh, isn't there a page on wowwiki that goes over template usage? specifically wowwiki page templates I mean |
| 17:19.53 | Beladona | nm found it |
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| 17:20.37 | Gimp` | hey |
| 17:20.49 | Gimp` | i have some questions about wow addons |
| 17:21.40 | Gimp` | is it possible to make an addon that shows who has the flag and keeps it updated as the flag is dropped and picked up by others? |
| 17:21.53 | Gimp` | who has the flag in wsg* |
| 17:23.51 | TS|Skrom | try BGFlag |
| 17:24.11 | tyroney | Beladona: |
| 17:24.12 | TS|Skrom | http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/wow/addons-1425-1-bgflag-for-112.html |
| 17:24.13 | tyroney | <Frame name="ttttest" virtual="true"> |
| 17:24.14 | tyroney | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:24.15 | tyroney | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:24.16 | tyroney | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:24.18 | tyroney | </Frame> |
| 17:24.21 | tyroney | <Frame name="testtest" virtual="true" inherits="ttttest" /> |
| 17:24.22 | tyroney | <frame name="checkthisframe" inherits="testtest" /> |
| 17:24.23 | tyroney | checkthisframe2:GetName() worked just fine |
| 17:24.53 | Gimp` | thanks Skrom :) |
| 17:25.02 | TS|Skrom | np |
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| 17:27.35 | [RTE] | later folks, time to go to class |
| 17:29.02 | TS|Skrom | see ya rte |
| 17:30.09 | Mikma | clad|work: lol we saw that |
| 17:39.40 | Kirkburn | Little favour to ask - hwo does this page look in IE6? http://chig3.georgepribul.eu/ |
| 17:40.44 | tyroney | good so far... |
| 17:41.03 | TS|Skrom | well, cept for that eu at the end |
| 17:41.11 | Kirkburn | Mainly - does the orange box look right, and are there any lines down the right side? |
| 17:41.19 | Kirkburn | TS|Skrom, shush you :P |
| 17:41.22 | tyroney | Yup. One line on the right side, top |
| 17:41.34 | tyroney | want a screenshot? |
| 17:41.49 | Kirkburn | Please :) A big oen if poss :) |
| 17:41.53 | Kirkburn | *one |
| 17:42.18 | Kirkburn | I'm not saying do a multiple screen one :P |
| 17:42.38 | tyroney | let me find my prtscr button. (ha! Too bad I don't have two monitors plugged in) |
| 17:42.43 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 17:45.18 | Josh|Gone | hola |
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| 17:49.14 | cogwheel | Hmm... Complete 25 quests, or send in a postcard with my name, age, and address... |
| 17:51.22 | Beladona | hmmm |
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| 17:51.36 | Beladona | I am wondering if this template shouldn't end up on a separate tutorial apge |
| 17:51.42 | Beladona | page* |
| 17:52.10 | Beladona | what do you think: http://www.wowwiki.com/XML_User_Interface#Using_Templates |
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| 17:55.01 | TS|Skrom | i like it! |
| 17:58.06 | cogwheel | Cairenn: Top 10 Way-Too-Frequently Asked Questions #8 proposal: How do I send a whisper to my target? /script SendChatMessage("Hey, i'm whispering you!!", "WHISPER", nil, UnitName "target") |
| 17:58.49 | Cide | wtb () :( |
| 17:59.06 | Cide | and yes, I know UnitName"target" is valid syntax, but it looks very stupid :) |
| 17:59.54 | Cairenn | cogwheel: done |
| 18:00.06 | cogwheel | I find it looks more natural in certain circumstances... though I admit it took a while for me to get used to it with my C/C++ background |
| 18:00.46 | Cide | it's handy for shortening macros, in any case |
| 18:01.08 | Tem|AFK | Cide, I find that syntax to be most useful when I'm making something apear as though it's not a funciton at all |
| 18:01.23 | cogwheel | Like AceLocale :) |
| 18:01.32 | Tem|AFK | eh, it was a bad idea there, IMO |
| 18:01.45 | cogwheel | :( I really liked it |
| 18:02.00 | Tem|AFK | well, you can still use it |
| 18:02.13 | Tem|AFK | but I don't suggest it in a critical path |
| 18:02.14 | cogwheel | though i wish it would default to whatever the string is instead of giving an error when no translation is registered |
| 18:02.38 | Tem|AFK | I wanna say there's an option for that |
| 18:02.42 | jaxdahl | hmm /script SendChatMessage("Hey, i'm whispering you!!", "WHISPER", nil, UnitName "target") |
| 18:02.47 | jaxdahl | does that work in the battlegrounds? |
| 18:03.04 | Cide | I believe no |
| 18:03.04 | cogwheel | Oh... i only use it for interface stuff... none of my addons do any manipulation of localized data |
| 18:03.59 | Tem|AFK | really, the best (and most perverse) use for the function syntax I've seen was an OO implementation in lua |
| 18:04.07 | Tem|AFK | this is what a class declaration looked like |
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| 18:04.27 | Tem|AFK | Class "myClass" extends "myBase" |
| 18:04.32 | Tem|AFK | oops |
| 18:04.55 | Tem|AFK | well, there was more, but I dont remember... |
| 18:05.06 | Cide | Class "myClass": extends "myBase"? :) |
| 18:05.18 | Tem|AFK | maybe |
| 18:05.23 | Cide | that's a fairly nice usage though |
| 18:05.27 | Tem|AFK | it was pretty crazy |
| 18:06.18 | wereHamster | Thaddius after two months finally down ! |
| 18:06.29 | Cide | thaddius is so stupid |
| 18:06.32 | Cide | congrats |
| 18:06.40 | Tem|AFK | it looks fun to me |
| 18:06.48 | Cide | Tem|AFK: the fight itself is fun |
| 18:06.53 | Cide | well, theoretically |
| 18:07.04 | wereHamster | and I didn't even play my main class.. mage instead of a warrior |
| 18:07.10 | Cide | however, when it's the most LD-prone fight in the game, and LD's basically wipe you... |
| 18:07.21 | wereHamster | the first time a mage at a big encounter |
| 18:07.54 | Tem|AFK | Cide, so, do the polarity shifts just shove you off due to info overload? |
| 18:08.03 | Cide | Tem|AFK: seems that way |
| 18:08.07 | Tem|AFK | *sigh* |
| 18:08.14 | Cide | it's 40 debuffs every 30s |
| 18:08.17 | Tem|AFK | yeah |
| 18:08.26 | Cide | AND the additional 19 charges per person |
| 18:08.38 | Cide | which I believe are added one by one |
| 18:08.43 | Tem|AFK | d'oh |
| 18:08.49 | wereHamster | and.. note to self: always have Mage Armor up.. saves lots of mana |
| 18:09.05 | Kevorkian | mmm mage armor |
| 18:09.24 | Tem|AFK | wereHamster, mages have it easy in that fight |
| 18:09.41 | Tem|AFK | nuke, nuke nuke, blink, turnaround, nuke, nuke, repeat |
| 18:10.00 | Tem|AFK | personally, I can't wait |
| 18:10.08 | Tem|AFK | anyway, time for me to head out |
| 18:10.16 | Tem|AFK | leaving for the big game this weekend |
| 18:10.18 | Tem|AFK | later guys! |
| 18:10.25 | Kirov | Tem|AFK - considering fights for mages is usually just "nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke" |
| 18:10.26 | wereHamster | can they blink? I was advised not to |
| 18:10.47 | Tem|AFK | wereHamster, that depends entirely on what strat you're using, I guess |
| 18:10.59 | Kevorkian | they don't just nuke, the sometimes evocate! |
| 18:11.06 | wereHamster | run through |
| 18:11.20 | Tem|AFK | and sometimes dispell a metric asston of curses |
| 18:11.30 | Kevorkian | mmm that too |
| 18:11.40 | Tem|AFK | and sheep MCed people |
| 18:11.46 | Tem|AFK | and CS heals |
| 18:11.55 | Cide | and die |
| 18:11.57 | Kevorkian | is blizzard still grumbling about breaking decursive at some point? |
| 18:11.57 | Cide | and pull aggro |
| 18:12.08 | zenzelezz | portal plx |
| 18:12.10 | wereHamster | I not yet that far.. |
| 18:12.11 | Kirov | they run away a lot too |
| 18:12.28 | Tem|AFK | Kevorkian, if I had to guess, I'd say they will at some point. |
| 18:12.43 | Tem|AFK | but really, now that they're adding stuff like Unstable Affliction.... |
| 18:12.48 | Tem|AFK | they don't need to |
| 18:12.51 | Kevorkian | seems a little late in the game to do it |
| 18:12.55 | Kevorkian | heh |
| 18:12.56 | JoshBorke | wb Kevorkian |
| 18:13.01 | Kevorkian | that's an evil thingy |
| 18:13.04 | Tem|AFK | anyway, I'm out |
| 18:13.06 | Kevorkian | that unstable affliction |
| 18:13.09 | Kevorkian | ty josh |
| 18:13.23 | Kevorkian | I wasn't aware I'd left? |
| 18:13.37 | JoshBorke | meh, i saw something say you quit is all :-) |
| 18:13.47 | Kirov | I quit! |
| 18:13.57 | Cide | WELCOME BACK KIROV |
| 18:14.54 | JoshBorke | wb Kirkburn |
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| 18:15.07 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 18:15.10 | JoshBorke | s/kirkburn/kirov/ |
| 18:15.21 | Kevorkian | oh, switching clients. I had to get on mIRC to access the commands to find out what ops were on so I could get a release of the nick "Kevorkian" (so I wouldn't be KevICG). then I switched back to Gaim client |
| 18:15.39 | Kirkburn | Yay for me! And Yay for Kirov too! |
| 18:15.40 | JoshBorke | ~whalebomb purI |
| 18:15.48 | purl | ACTION throws an explosive whale named Gunter at purI and hides. |
| 18:15.48 | ckknight | hey all |
| 18:15.53 | purI | JoshBorke meant to say, go the fuck away Kirov |
| 18:15.54 | JoshBorke | hola ckknight |
| 18:16.15 | Kevorkian | oooh, gunter as a hunter name. that'd be so easy to make limericks from |
| 18:17.01 | Kirov | I have a addon debug character I made called Tes Tunter |
| 18:17.14 | Kirov | Testunter |
| 18:17.26 | [floyd] | :D |
| 18:17.50 | Kevorkian | there once was a fellow named gunter, who fancied himself quite the hunter, he pulled like a big twit, and wouldn't ever quit, and had to be kicked with the punter |
| 18:18.49 | [floyd] | How do I destroy frames I dynamically created? |
| 18:18.56 | Cide | you don't :) |
| 18:19.08 | cogwheel | Keep them around and reuse them later |
| 18:19.23 | Cide | think of it like a bowl of crackers... |
| 18:19.29 | cogwheel | lol |
| 18:19.32 | Kirov | I thought it was a bowl of soup |
| 18:19.32 | tyroney | Just like you can't really get rid of the default ui, only make it hide. |
| 18:19.35 | Kirov | with crackers |
| 18:19.37 | [floyd] | Thought so, but had hoped for a clean solution :/ |
| 18:19.45 | Cide | Kirov: oh, right |
| 18:19.50 | Cide | but that is effectively a bowl of crackers! |
| 18:19.54 | End | see, the ui is like a bowl of soup... |
| 18:19.55 | tyroney | Mmm, soup... |
| 18:20.17 | Kirov | It's like you have a bowl of tomato soup and some saltines and some oyster crackers, but not enough of either, so you mash them both in. |
| 18:20.19 | [floyd] | Stop it, I'm getting hungry already. |
| 18:20.45 | cogwheel | I've been eating nothing but soup, pudding and protein drinks for the last 4 days :( |
| 18:20.50 | Kirov | Then you pour in some milk and chocolate fudge |
| 18:20.54 | End | although, the bowl of soup was for disabling addons, not getting rid of frames |
| 18:20.55 | cogwheel | Oh and vicodin ;) |
| 18:21.05 | Kirov | cogwheel - wisdom teeth, right? |
| 18:21.12 | cogwheel | yep |
| 18:21.21 | tyroney | The swelling been ok for you? |
| 18:21.25 | Kirov | which reminds me I need to make an appointment for that |
| 18:21.29 | Cide | End: it applies everywhere! |
| 18:21.44 | cogwheel | Swelling's fine... Pain's not too bad now either |
| 18:21.57 | End | I'm pretty sure disabling frames is doable though |
| 18:22.00 | tyroney | Sounds like a good deal, then. |
| 18:22.12 | End | s/disabling/deleting/ |
| 18:22.26 | End | it's just not something that's easy to implement |
| 18:22.35 | End | nor do they see the need to |
| 18:22.38 | cogwheel | We ate pizza for two days beforehand to get it out of my system... but it was still grueling when my wife was eating leftovers.... lol |
| 18:30.32 | thr | what UI file is "OptionsButtonTemplate" located in? |
| 18:30.59 | thr | (of blizzards source files that is) |
| 18:31.54 | jaxdahl | sounds like the beta is starting soon |
| 18:32.00 | Kirov | UIOptionsTemplates or something |
| 18:32.12 | jaxdahl | closed beta should start pretty soon after hunter/druid talents are out |
| 18:32.16 | Qzot | jaxdahl: How so? |
| 18:32.24 | jaxdahl | and Drysc was up at 3am (all nighter?) |
| 18:32.59 | thr | Kirov ye i checked there but no luck :( |
| 18:33.16 | Kirov | OptionsFrameTemplates.xml |
| 18:35.55 | thr | thnx |
| 18:39.08 | Corrodias | oh, the druid talents for BC haven't been revealed yet? tasty |
| 18:39.18 | Beladona | I don't think the term "delete" is accurate when talking about frames. You can't really "delete" anything in lua once it is created can you? |
| 18:40.01 | Kirov | Beladona - you can delete numbers just fine. |
| 18:40.01 | Corrodias | once it's dereferenced, i imagine the GC will delete it in time |
| 18:40.18 | Beladona | jaxdahl: how do you know the closed beta isn't already out |
| 18:40.26 | Beladona | its --- closed |
| 18:40.29 | Beladona | lol |
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| 18:40.49 | Qzot | Beladona: I think I'm close to implementing your idea for Qzot's Supermarkup. |
| 18:40.59 | Beladona | oh you came up with a name? |
| 18:41.01 | Corrodias | and thus it becomes Beladona's Supermarkup |
| 18:41.06 | Beladona | sounds like Supermarket |
| 18:41.08 | Kevorkian | the dynamic keymapping one? |
| 18:41.12 | Corrodias | written by codemonkey Qzot |
| 18:41.15 | Qzot | Exactly. |
| 18:41.23 | Kirov | Ok, I'm officially scared of my parent company. |
| 18:41.26 | Qzot | Ah. Never mind then. I'll release it on c-g. |
| 18:41.30 | Beladona | 0.o |
| 18:41.36 | Kirov | http://www.pinktentacle.com/2006/09/robot-pony-segas-new-dream-pet/ |
| 18:41.39 | Beladona | bad Qzot, Bad |
| 18:42.14 | Kirov | Dynamic keymapping? |
| 18:42.31 | jaxdahl | Beladona, i know people that will be in it |
| 18:42.41 | jaxdahl | it will be quite obvious when it starts. |
| 18:42.44 | Beladona | Kirov: will that require a riding skill of journeyman? |
| 18:42.47 | Beladona | oh wait |
| 18:43.08 | Kevorkian | hah |
| 18:43.31 | Kirov | Oh, and if you haven't seen the robot pussy they make ... http://www.segatoys.co.jp/nearme/ |
| 18:43.39 | Qzot | jaxdahl: I'm pretty sure Cairenn and Iriel will be in it. And I doubt they'll be gagged, so we'll know. |
| 18:43.48 | Kirov | (sfw, not safe for your mental state) |
| 18:43.48 | Beladona | there is an NDA |
| 18:43.51 | Beladona | btw |
| 18:43.59 | Beladona | so technically, there are some gags |
| 18:45.13 | jaxdahl | i don't think blizzard is going to try very hard to restrict the flow of info from the beta |
| 18:45.21 | jaxdahl | i might be wrong |
| 18:45.39 | Kirov | They already are |
| 18:45.45 | Kirov | well, from the alpha. |
| 18:46.01 | Kirov | Their legal team is at full cycle right now |
| 18:46.12 | jaxdahl | yea, but the alpha is a different beast |
| 18:46.15 | Corrodias | i don't know why they bother |
| 18:46.17 | Beladona | where do you think all the "leak" stuff comes from? |
| 18:46.19 | jaxdahl | ' We'll be unveiling both the Druid and Hunter abilities/talents in the very near future. Just be patient. It's an exciting time, as soon after the final unveiling, many players will be given an opportunity to participate in our closed beta for the Burning Crusade.' |
| 18:46.23 | Kevorkian | kirov: dynamic keymapping = Press one key to bring up a menu with predefined keystrokes, bringing up the menu overrides any other keymaps while the menu is up, and the keymaps are reset after the menu goes away. |
| 18:46.31 | Corrodias | actually, i do know, but i wish i didn't have to know |
| 18:46.35 | Beladona | leak stuff that shouldn't be leaked because the people leaking them could ge tin big trouble |
| 18:48.32 | Kirov | Kevorkian - so ... basically a frame that uses the <OnKeyDown> and <OnKeyUp> script handlers? |
| 18:49.11 | Kirov | or actually remapping the keybindings |
| 18:50.43 | cogwheel | ~emulate cogwheel |
| 18:50.45 | purl | ACTION shakes 42 sperm whales at the forums. >:( |
| 18:50.56 | Qzot | What's a good temp image upload site? |
| 18:52.23 | cogwheel | i use imageshack.us |
| 18:52.37 | Qzot | k. tnx. |
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| 18:55.37 | Beladona | I have a headache from hell. Probably has something to do with the fact that I have already been at work for 10 hours =( |
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| 18:56.06 | Kevorkian | kirov: sorry, work distracted me. Either way would probably work provided you can make the frame modal. |
| 18:56.14 | Kevorkian | for the onkeydown |
| 18:56.46 | Kevorkian | kirov: but you'd have to ask qzot, he's the one doing it |
| 18:57.24 | Qzot | http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/9259/qzsupermarkupjj6.th.png |
| 18:57.37 | Kirov | Kevorkian - yes, but he's not responding to my /msgs making rude comments about his parents |
| 18:58.31 | Beladona | holy crap Qzot, can you make that image any smaller? |
| 18:58.48 | Qzot | Trying. |
| 18:58.48 | Kirov | http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/9259/qzsupermarkupjj6.png |
| 18:58.54 | cogwheel | that's the link to the thumbnail, qzot... |
| 18:58.56 | Beladona | yeah just fixed the link |
| 18:58.58 | Kirov | non-thumbnailish version |
| 18:59.01 | Qzot | Yeah. I know. |
| 18:59.07 | Qzot | http://img209.imageshack.us/my.php?image=qzsupermarkupjj6.png |
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| 18:59.23 | Kirov | Though still rather small |
| 18:59.25 | Qzot | Oh. Kirov already got it. :D |
| 18:59.28 | Beladona | wait, so when you hit the keybind, do those icons fly out from your cursor? |
| 18:59.43 | Qzot | I'm not doing it with a keybind atm. |
| 18:59.50 | Qzot | Ctrl-target does it. |
| 18:59.51 | Beladona | how are you doing it then |
| 18:59.53 | Beladona | oh |
| 19:00.00 | Beladona | tahts a keybind, sort of |
| 19:00.24 | Beladona | I wanna see this in action though. DO they fly out from your cursor? |
| 19:00.30 | Corrodias | i can't remember this password! argh! |
| 19:00.35 | Qzot | Yeah. But I'm thinking the control-target will be more compatible with the altamatic stuff I want to add later. |
| 19:00.55 | Beladona | you forgot one for removing an icon |
| 19:00.59 | Qzot | Kevorkian: (What a morbid nick.) What is it that I'm allegedly doing? |
| 19:01.02 | Beladona | or am I not seeing it? |
| 19:01.10 | Beladona | i.e. no icon |
| 19:01.11 | Kirov | Beladona - just remark with the same mark |
| 19:01.14 | [floyd] | Corrodias: The GC only relates to objects that are actually controlled by Lua. While there is a Frame representation in Lua, the CreateFrame apparently also creates a frame object inside the game engine, which will continue to live even beyond the lifetime of the Lua controlled Frame object. |
| 19:01.21 | Beladona | ehh |
| 19:01.30 | Beladona | that seems anti-intuitive |
| 19:01.30 | Qzot | Beladona: I haven't forgotten. Just haven't firmly decided how to handle that. |
| 19:01.47 | Beladona | and its not how teh default ui does it, is it Kirov? |
| 19:02.13 | Qzot | Beladona: Are you arguing that the default is a good exemplar in this case?? |
| 19:02.24 | Beladona | no, but it IS what people are used to |
| 19:02.27 | Beladona | that is always a factor |
| 19:02.58 | Beladona | hey |
| 19:03.00 | Qzot | I'm inclined to design this for the standard case for competant/competent users. |
| 19:03.12 | Beladona | why not have the center of the circle of icons be the one for "remove, or nothing" |
| 19:03.23 | Kevorkian | qzot: eh? sorry, I initially asked you about the dynamic keybinding thing (that we were discussing with bela the other day) kirov asked what dynamic keybinding was, I explained, and for some reason he asked me what you were doing. what you're doing is more of a cursor menu selection |
| 19:03.32 | Beladona | in other words, selecting the target again |
| 19:03.37 | Kevorkian | not dynamic keybinding |
| 19:03.48 | Qzot | Actually, that's what I'm thinking of as a possibility. But there might not be a visible marker. |
| 19:04.09 | Qzot | Kev: Yup. |
| 19:04.44 | Kevorkian | I like it better than the dynamic keybinding idea |
| 19:04.51 | Kevorkian | looks spiffy |
| 19:05.01 | Qzot | I'm thinking along the lines of (1) mouse-over target, (2) click to target, (3) menu pops up, (4) drag mouse over desired icon, (5) release. |
| 19:05.03 | Kirov | radial menus ftw |
| 19:05.15 | Qzot | Except I forgot (1.5) press control key. |
| 19:05.28 | Kirov | Qzot - Have you used Maya before? |
| 19:05.33 | jaxdahl | Qzot, you ever use Necrosis? |
| 19:05.48 | Qzot | Who is Maya? what is Necrosis? |
| 19:05.59 | Qzot | Necrosis sounds like a lock UI. |
| 19:06.03 | Kirov | So, that's a yes to both? |
| 19:06.05 | Qzot | Or Undead UI. |
| 19:06.11 | Qzot | Um. No. |
| 19:06.11 | TS|Skrom | nope, it's a "WONDERFUL" lock ui |
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| 19:06.30 | Kirov | http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/wow/addons-3089-1-necrosis-ldc.html |
| 19:06.35 | TS|Skrom | mmmm |
| 19:06.41 | TS|Skrom | Cryolysis is yummy too |
| 19:06.41 | Kevorkian | qzot: incidentally the nick "kevorkian" is what my priest is named. a healer that deals with death. I thought it was nicely original until I looked on warcraftrealms and saw there were like 121 people with the same name |
| 19:06.42 | Qzot | Quotation marks meaning sarcasm, or citing someone else's opinion? |
| 19:06.42 | Kirov | basically the difinitive warlock mod |
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| 19:06.58 | Kevorkian | roughly 50% priests too |
| 19:07.56 | Corrodias | time to go home. [away] |
| 19:08.05 | Qzot | So, nothing is hooked up atm. Other than clicking and having the frame appear. |
| 19:08.19 | Kirov | Qzot - Maya as in Alias Maya, the high end 3d modeling animation rendering program that everyone and their grandma graphics studio uses |
| 19:09.13 | Qzot | I guess I'll try seeing if it's as simple and installing event handlers for mouse up and mouse leaving the frame. |
| 19:09.27 | Qzot | Kirov: Nope. Never heard of it. |
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| 19:10.32 | Kirov | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_(software) |
| 19:10.36 | [floyd] | Would anyone know off the top of their head the rules for uv texture coordiantes? My icons come out wrong... |
| 19:10.47 | [floyd] | *coordinates even. |
| 19:10.51 | Kirov | [floyd] - 4 or 8 parameter |
| 19:11.23 | [floyd] | Kirov: 4 parameter version, but should be the same for the other overload. |
| 19:11.48 | jaxdahl | wowwiki go boom? |
| 19:12.02 | Kirov | texture:SetTexCoord(top, bottom, left, right); |
| 19:12.18 | Kirov | texture:SetTexCoord(0,1,0,1); are the defaults |
| 19:12.19 | [floyd] | Heh, no, it's left, right, top, bottom ;) |
| 19:12.27 | Kirov | what ever |
| 19:12.57 | [floyd] | Let me rephrase: How to render an icon that exactly maps texels to pixels? |
| 19:12.58 | Kirov | I mostly use the 8 var version |
| 19:13.10 | Qzot | Kirov: I see, but I'm not understanding the relevance. |
| 19:13.11 | Kirkburn | (unlike CSS which is top right bottom left, nice and confusing) |
| 19:13.23 | cogwheel | [floyd]: don't use SetTexCoord... |
| 19:13.53 | [floyd] | cogwheel: But how do I pick the right icon then in a multi-icon blp? |
| 19:13.54 | Kirov | Qzot - one of the major features of Maya (at least "major" when it came out) was it's radial menus |
| 19:13.55 | cogwheel | [floyd]: if your icon is 16x16, and your texture is 16x16, then your icon will be rendered at (get this!) 16x16 |
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| 19:14.34 | Kirov | Unless you're using UI scale |
| 19:14.47 | cogwheel | [floyd]: ah... the texcoords are on the interval [0,1] |
| 19:15.02 | [floyd] | I know, they are uv coordiantes after all :) |
| 19:15.12 | [floyd] | *coordinates even. |
| 19:15.27 | cogwheel | [floyd]: if your tga is 8 icons wide, then the 4th icon will start at 0.5 and end at 0.625 |
| 19:15.59 | [floyd] | cogwheel: That's what one would think -- and doing that will wind up with a wrong representation. |
| 19:16.23 | Kirov | *blink* |
| 19:16.24 | [floyd] | I believe this is about pixel/texel center, and whether or not the coordinates are endpoint exclusive. |
| 19:17.04 | Kirov | When using TexCoord you're at the mercy of your video card. |
| 19:17.37 | Kirov | All it does it alter the UV on the polygon that gets sent to the video card. |
| 19:18.18 | Kirov | If you need per-pixel accuracy I would suggest not using TexCoord at all. |
| 19:18.36 | [floyd] | Anyway, is WoW OpenGL or DX? |
| 19:18.43 | Kirov | DX |
| 19:18.47 | cogwheel | DX on win by default |
| 19:19.02 | cogwheel | though there's a GL option |
| 19:19.05 | [floyd] | Cool, thanks, that'll help me figure it out. |
| 19:19.49 | Qzot | Ouch. wowwiki down? |
| 19:20.04 | cogwheel | no... jsut slow |
| 19:20.07 | cogwheel | s/su/us/ |
| 19:20.42 | Maldivia | hmm |
| 19:20.48 | Kirkburn | Christ, fixing my website for IE6 is a chore |
| 19:21.02 | Kirkburn | Finally, I think I am done! :D http://chig3.georgepribul.eu/ |
| 19:21.09 | TS|Skrom | Nope |
| 19:21.11 | cogwheel | Kirkburn: just say no |
| 19:21.13 | TS|Skrom | still has EU |
| 19:21.14 | Kirov | blizzard needs to get another freakin' hamster for their forums |
| 19:21.23 | Kirkburn | haha TS |
| 19:21.40 | TS|Skrom | :-D |
| 19:21.41 | Qzot | I think they're making the CMs get into the hamster wheels. |
| 19:21.49 | Kirov | Kirkburn - has rendering issues in ff b2 |
| 19:21.54 | Kirkburn | cogwheel, it's just weird little things - the main code is totally modern, but I have two little overrides in an IE6 file |
| 19:22.01 | Kirkburn | Kirov, in what way? |
| 19:22.12 | Kirov | Kirkburn - it's got orange! |
| 19:22.21 | Kirov | (ok, so, not really) |
| 19:22.26 | Kirkburn | uh, phew :) |
| 19:22.43 | malreth | blizz is forcing me to have a productive day by keeping the forums down... i know it |
| 19:23.05 | Maldivia | interesting way to change the look of your weapons/armor - without actually doing model/texture swapping |
| 19:23.15 | Qzot | wowwiki is keeping me from finishing my supermarkup during lunch. |
| 19:23.35 | Kirov | I love the fact that the blizzard forums have a nice little graphic for when they're down ... except on the two error messages you see most often. |
| 19:23.39 | AnduinLothar | oh god it's retartedly slow |
| 19:24.00 | Qzot | Duh ... what? |
| 19:24.00 | Kirov | Maldivia - wha wha? |
| 19:24.17 | Kirov | Qzot - what are you looking up? |
| 19:24.21 | Kirkburn | retarded has a 'd', please :P |
| 19:24.21 | Maldivia | Kirov: change the itemcache file |
| 19:25.01 | Qzot | Kirov: Multiple things. Atm, going to start fishing to see if there are events for mouse leaving a frame, and for releasing the mouse button. |
| 19:25.01 | Kirov | Maldivia - hehe, ah. |
| 19:25.29 | Kirov | OnMouseUp happens outside of a frame, yes. |
| 19:25.43 | Kirov | if OnMouseDown occured inside |
| 19:25.49 | JoshBorke | there are OnMouseLeave and OnMouseEnter |
| 19:25.54 | Qzot | Kirov: Hmm. I lose, then. |
| 19:26.11 | Qzot | I show the frame *after* the mouse is already down. |
| 19:26.27 | Qzot | Nm. Damn. |
| 19:26.31 | Qzot | I lose twice. |
| 19:26.34 | Kirov | So? |
| 19:26.47 | Kirov | Do your OnMouseUp in WorldFrame |
| 19:26.58 | Maldivia | Kirov: someone posted a link to a program, I think does that (have no intention of testing it, could just aswell be a password scam :) |
| 19:27.10 | Kirov | and just do MouseIsOver check |
| 19:27.51 | TS|Skrom | if I ever mention anything about making multiple options dependent on each other as far as not having the same button selected twice for two different multiple choice options... yeah... shoot me |
| 19:27.57 | Qzot | I lose twice: I was assuming that the default UI would set the target on mouse down. |
| 19:28.14 | Qzot | But because of view changes, it actually does it on mouse up. |
| 19:28.38 | Kevorkian | isn't there a change target event? |
| 19:28.46 | Qzot | Which makes sense, so the UI can distinguish between targeting and view changes. |
| 19:29.07 | Kirov | almost everything in blizzard's ui is "OnUp" |
| 19:29.09 | Qzot | Kevorkian: Yes. But I just realized it's triggered on mouse *up*. Not *down*. |
| 19:29.21 | Qzot | Kirov: Yeah. And there's a good reason for it. |
| 19:29.27 | Qzot | I just wasn't thinking straight. |
| 19:30.04 | Kevorkian | qzot: how on change target event if the ctrl key is pressed pop up the menu |
| 19:30.09 | Kevorkian | how about* |
| 19:30.16 | Qzot | So I'm not going to get click-drag-release with a fair bit more work, and the potential to screw things up. |
| 19:30.36 | TS|Skrom | does SpellCanTargetUnit factor range? |
| 19:30.43 | TS|Skrom | or just compatibility? |
| 19:30.55 | Kirov | Qzot - OnMouseUp if ( UnitExists("target") and IsControlKeyDown() ) then -- show frames |
| 19:31.01 | Qzot | Kevorkian: That's exactly what I'm doing. |
| 19:31.08 | Kirov | Have an OnUpdate watch IsControlKeyDown() |
| 19:31.27 | Qzot | Kevorkian: And it has the problem that the menu comes up on mouse *up*, requiring a 2nd click, which I was trying to avoid. |
| 19:31.28 | Kirov | As soon as you let go, do a MouseIsOver(button) check |
| 19:32.06 | Kevorkian | how does the default UI handle inventory drags? |
| 19:32.09 | Qzot | Kirov: "and has the potential to screw things up." |
| 19:32.21 | Kirov | Qzot - in what way? |
| 19:32.43 | Qzot | Note that I can detect the mouse down. And at that point, I can assume unit 'mouseover' is the intended target. |
| 19:32.45 | Kirov | Kevorkian - define inventory drags/ |
| 19:33.02 | Qzot | But at that point I can't assume UnitIsUnit('mouseover', 'target') |
| 19:33.05 | Kevorkian | click on item in inventory hold mouse down to drag to drop over something else |
| 19:33.20 | Kevorkian | it's the same click/drag thing that qzot is trying to do |
| 19:33.29 | Kirov | Qzot - right, which is why you check OnMouseUp |
| 19:33.30 | Qzot | If I now let the user drag, there is no guarantee that 'mouseover' is the intended target. He has moved the mouse. |
| 19:34.02 | Qzot | And the API does not let me capture the *current* 'mouseover' target in any safe way. |
| 19:34.33 | Kirov | Qzot - sure it does |
| 19:34.41 | Kirov | TargetUnit("mouseover") |
| 19:34.42 | Qzot | I'm listening. |
| 19:34.50 | Qzot | Yes, that's the other fork. |
| 19:35.40 | Qzot | "and the potential to screw things up." |
| 19:35.40 | Kirov | Unless you're going to drag icons on to targets, a radial menu + mouseover is a bad idea to start with |
| 19:35.40 | Qzot | If I do that, the screw-up is that I've effectively overload view changing. |
| 19:36.05 | Qzot | So ... I think the safest route at this point is bite the bullet, and assume 2 clicks. |
| 19:36.12 | Kirov | Qzot - eff that |
| 19:36.22 | Qzot | One to target and pop up the menu. The 2nd to select the icon to target with. |
| 19:36.30 | Kevorkian | qzot: when you're moving inventory around, how does the default UI figure out when you release that it's over a valid bag slot/trade target? |
| 19:36.36 | Qzot | Kirov: eff which? |
| 19:36.42 | Kirov | two clicks |
| 19:36.52 | Kirov | Kevorkian - it's done internally |
| 19:37.00 | Kevorkian | two chicks? at the same time? |
| 19:37.04 | Qzot | Kevorkian: It understands "loading" the cursor with a very limited number of loadable items. |
| 19:37.14 | Kevorkian | ahh, evil bastiches |
| 19:37.40 | Qzot | Kirov: I'm not seeing any choice other than one of those 3. |
| 19:37.59 | Kirov | give me a sec |
| 19:38.01 | Qzot | (1) Target on mouse down, and change the user experience for view switching. |
| 19:38.34 | Qzot | (2) Select raid target icon on mouse up, and risk that 'mouseover' has changed during the drag. <--unacceptable |
| 19:38.39 | Qzot | (3) Click twice3. |
| 19:42.01 | Qzot | Hmm. Does the wiki have a complete list of handlers for SetScript? |
| 19:42.39 | Qzot | Found it. |
| 19:44.00 | Kirov | local OnMouseUp = WorldFrame:GetScript("OnMouseUp"); |
| 19:44.00 | Kirov | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:44.00 | Kirov | WorldFrame:SetScript("OnMouseUp", function() |
| 19:44.00 | Kirov | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:44.00 | Kirov | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:44.01 | Kirov | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:44.03 | Kirov | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:44.05 | Kirov | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:44.08 | Kirov | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:44.09 | Kirov | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:44.11 | Kirov | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:44.13 | Kirov | function RaidIconRadialMenu_OnUpdate() |
| 19:44.15 | Kirov | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:44.17 | Kirov | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:44.19 | Kirov | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:44.21 | Kirov | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:44.23 | Kirov | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:44.25 | Kirov | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:44.27 | Kirov | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:44.29 | Kirov | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:44.31 | Kirov | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:44.33 | Kirov | end |
| 19:44.35 | Kirov | er, sorry |
| 19:44.37 | Kirov | looks a lot shorter in my script editor |
| 19:45.09 | Kirov | http://wow.paste-bin.com/483 |
| 19:45.28 | Kirov | and, missed a bit |
| 19:46.12 | Kirov | http://wow.paste-bin.com/484 |
| 19:46.31 | Beladona | omg |
| 19:46.38 | Beladona | captain code-spammer |
| 19:47.28 | Qzot | Kirov: What is this supposed to do? It appears to me to do nothing if you have no target set. |
| 19:47.28 | thr | Beladona: Is there any way to make a frame auto-resize depending on the ammount of child frames in it and thier size? Automaticly i mean? |
| 19:47.40 | thr | Such as some magic setting like autoResize="yesplx", you get me. or do I have to code it manually? |
| 19:47.42 | Beladona | I imagine you coudl with some well written lua code |
| 19:47.50 | Beladona | but not in xml no |
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| 19:48.04 | thr | ok, ah well thought so... what I realy wanna do is a dropdown where you can check several alternatives. |
| 19:48.07 | Kevorkian | can you set relative coordinates relative to the parent frame? |
| 19:48.28 | thr | Beladona, you click up the dropdown and you can check several player names in it. |
| 19:48.36 | thr | Not a "classic" dropdown. |
| 19:52.45 | thr | any idea on how to do that? |
| 19:53.56 | AnduinLothar | same thing, jsut add the checkbox option and stayopenwhenclicked |
| 19:54.26 | thr | ok well, i have no real idea on how to do a dropdown. |
| 19:54.33 | thr | i looked in the LUA code ofc. |
| 19:55.14 | thr | isn't there any template i can use to create dropdowns AnduinLothar? |
| 19:55.31 | AnduinLothar | you could try using the Dewdrop lib |
| 19:55.41 | AnduinLothar | it's on wow and should have docs |
| 19:55.44 | AnduinLothar | wowi |
| 19:55.57 | Beladona | I gave someone else info on how to do it earlier |
| 19:56.16 | thr | Beladona: Ye i think you gave |FF|Im2good4u |
| 19:56.28 | Beladona | my head hurts too bad to find it again =P |
| 19:56.32 | thr | some info on how to do it, you linked some addon but i lost the link in all my browsing today again ;< |
| 19:56.38 | thr | Beladona: please? =/ |
| 19:56.55 | thr | foudn it: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/download.php?id=4396&aid=1445 that you mean? |
| 19:56.55 | Beladona | it was one of my addons |
| 19:56.57 | Beladona | hang on |
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| 19:57.11 | Beladona | thats probably right |
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| 19:58.29 | thr | ok so in there it's a simple dropdown somewhere? |
| 20:00.06 | Beladona | yeah |
| 20:01.12 | Beladona | someone should make a tutorial on wowwiki |
| 20:01.17 | thr | <3, thanks found it'll hack away at it |
| 20:01.22 | Beladona | which I guess is me 0.o |
| 20:01.27 | Cide | heh |
| 20:01.27 | thr | ;p ye do it ;P |
| 20:01.30 | thr | ^^ |
| 20:01.33 | Cide | I made a big wrapper for dropdowns |
| 20:01.37 | Cide | just because it's so annoying |
| 20:01.42 | Beladona | yeah |
| 20:01.54 | Beladona | too many steps for something so simple |
| 20:02.01 | Cide | then again, it's a wrapper for all types of options.. but it mainly helps for dropdowns |
| 20:02.33 | Beladona | heading home. I should be back on later. After I sleep this headache off |
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| 20:09.37 | tyroney | do sin and cos want deg or rad? |
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| 20:10.05 | Kirov | Qzot - you have to have a target, yes |
| 20:10.12 | tyroney | I assumed rad, but I just read deg in wowwiki |
| 20:12.41 | Cide | both |
| 20:12.48 | Cide | math.sin/cos take rad |
| 20:12.56 | Cide | sin/cos are wrappers that take deg |
| 20:13.03 | tyroney | aha! |
| 20:13.12 | tyroney | thanks, saved me a small headache. |
| 20:13.22 | Qzot | Kirov: My original goal assumed no target at the start of user actions. |
| 20:13.44 | Kirov | And at the end? |
| 20:13.53 | Qzot | Kirov: I was attempting to target and mark in one, smooth motion. |
| 20:14.30 | Kirov | well, this targets then marks with out a second key press, just releasing the ctrl button |
| 20:14.40 | jaxdahl | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=27763558&sid=1 |
| 20:14.46 | Qzot | Kirov: I don't think so. |
| 20:15.35 | Qzot | Hmm. On 2nd thought... |
| 20:15.46 | Qzot | Targeting, I believe, is local to the client. |
| 20:16.14 | JoshBorke | no, targetting is server-side also |
| 20:16.30 | JoshBorke | because another member of your group has to be able to call UnitName('party1target') |
| 20:16.58 | Qzot | So maybe you're right, but only if you can guarantee the order of script execution between UI targeting and between your WorldFrame OnMouseUp script. |
| 20:17.04 | Qzot | JoshBorke: Yes. |
| 20:17.30 | Qzot | JoshBorke: But my point is that you can target something in lua, and *immediately* ask for info about your target. |
| 20:17.46 | Kirov | Qzot - worse case, stick the UnitExists("target") on the OnUpdate only |
| 20:17.50 | JoshBorke | oh really? i didn't know that! that is awesome! |
| 20:17.58 | Qzot | JoshBorke: As opposed to setting a raid target icon. Immediately after setting it, if you query it, it will not have yet changed. |
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| 20:19.34 | Qzot | Kirov: Why won't the RaidIconRadialMenu run away from your mouse as you move it? |
| 20:20.07 | Qzot | Kirov: Nm. Brain fart. |
| 20:20.14 | Kirov | Qzot - because it's location is own set each time it's shown. |
| 20:21.11 | malreth | it's flipping hot outside! |
| 20:21.22 | Kirov | is only set |
| 20:21.41 | Qzot | Kirov: *each time the mouse is released. |
| 20:22.04 | Kirov | Each time the mouse is released, and you're holding down control, and you have a target |
| 20:22.54 | Kirov | You may also want to check for UnitIsUnit("Target", "mouseover") |
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| 20:23.50 | Qzot | So with the current code (which could be adapted to handle screw-ups), (1) press control, (2) click mouse, (3) release mouse, (4) menu appears, and target is targeted, (5) move mouse over selection, (6) release control key. |
| 20:24.08 | Qzot | Ah, no. I got it wrong again. |
| 20:24.14 | Kevorkian | what if target charges something off screen? |
| 20:24.29 | Qzot | Kevorkian: Lol. I've already had that happen. |
| 20:24.42 | Kirov | Kevorkian - doesn't matter |
| 20:24.50 | Kirov | It's targeted. |
| 20:24.51 | Kevorkian | cool |
| 20:25.07 | Qzot | Ah, no. I had gotten it right. |
| 20:31.08 | Qzot | It's not clear to me that control-click-move-release, control-click-move-release, etc, is better than control, click-move-click, click-move-click, etc, release. |
| 20:31.19 | thr | oCould someone look at my dropdown and see what's wrong with it, even tho i set hidden="false" it still wont show up, here's the XML+LUA: http://pastebin.se/3745 |
| 20:31.32 | thr | I just want to show it in the middle of the screen for now, just playing around atm. |
| 20:32.45 | thr | Anyone? ;< |
| 20:33.22 | Kirov | thr - dropdowns are odd beasts |
| 20:33.29 | Kirov | I'm not sure if you can get one to just appear like that |
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| 20:35.20 | Thrae|Away | I always use CTRL+ALT+Y+Z+Q+1+`+ESC+F10+7 (Numpad)+CAPS LOCK+SHIFT+K+Y for my drag commands. |
| 20:36.03 | Hexarobee | thats my system-wide keycombo for copy |
| 20:36.36 | thr | Kirov, well how could i make one appear? ;> |
| 20:37.03 | Kirov | thr - um, calling it from a button click? |
| 20:37.28 | Kirov | I personally hate making dropdown menus, so I tend to forget everything I can about them after I've worked on one |
| 20:39.12 | thr | well |
| 20:39.18 | malreth | My remote.. is too big! http://www.gizmodo.com/assets/resources/2006/09/giant-pronto.jpg |
| 20:39.28 | thr | they're frames like all other elements ,right? |
| 20:39.36 | thr | so it should be vissible to just show them. |
| 20:39.40 | Osagasu | DUDE! |
| 20:39.42 | Osagasu | I WANT ONE! |
| 20:40.01 | thr | Kirov, am I righ tor`? |
| 20:40.03 | thr | *right or. |
| 20:42.05 | Kirov | thr - they are just frames, yes, but they're weird. |
| 20:42.38 | Kirov | There's a lot of code in them that does unexpected things if you try treating them just like regular frames. |
| 20:42.41 | thr | so why can't i show them with FRAMENAME:Show() ? |
| 20:42.46 | thr | ah ok |
| 20:43.02 | thr | maybe i'm just better of making a normal frame with checkable buttons in ;< |
| 20:43.29 | thr | i basicly want a list with X amount of things which you can show/hide on a button click. |
| 20:43.34 | thr | and you can check those things in that list. |
| 20:44.07 | TS|Skrom | Thrae no coincidence you had KY in there is it... |
| 20:44.41 | thr | ? |
| 20:44.45 | thr | huh? |
| 20:44.51 | Cairenn | *blink* |
| 20:44.57 | TS|Skrom | Thrae not thr |
| 20:45.05 | Cairenn | ooookay ... that was an interesting comment to come back to the screen to |
| 20:45.08 | Thrae | TS|Skrom: You and your dirty mind. I just hit keys randomly. |
| 20:45.09 | TS|Skrom | <Thrae|Away> I always use CTRL+ALT+Y+Z+Q+1+`+ESC+F10+7 (Numpad)+CAPS LOCK+SHIFT+K+Y for my drag commands. |
| 20:45.13 | Warla | heya Cairenn |
| 20:45.21 | Warla | can you ask me a quick question about arrays? |
| 20:45.21 | thr | ah ;< |
| 20:45.23 | Thrae | TS|Skrom: The joke was that Y was in there twice. |
| 20:45.39 | TS|Skrom | I thought it was funnier with my observation ^.^ |
| 20:46.21 | Qzot | *cough* Were those comments on my comment? |
| 20:49.44 | thr | Why isn't my FontString available as a global variable? |
| 20:49.52 | thr | <FontString name="PlayerOneName" inherits="GameFontNormalSmall" text="TEST">, and then PlayerOneName:SetText("PlayerName"); |
| 20:51.51 | cogwheel | thr: check FrameXML.log |
| 20:52.07 | malreth | remember the log files, thr |
| 20:52.18 | thr | ye i know |
| 20:52.21 | thr | but they dont say anything ;> |
| 20:52.21 | cogwheel | if you didn't put the FontString tag in the right place or didn't write the tag properly, it wouldn't exist |
| 20:53.31 | cogwheel | It's kind of like "Why don't i have an AddOns button?" If you did it right, you would ;) |
| 20:55.01 | thr | ye |
| 20:55.09 | thr | sorry for the stupid question, i'll double check everything ;< |
| 20:55.39 | Qzot | thr: There are no stupid questions. |
| 20:55.44 | Qzot | Just stupid people. ;) |
| 20:55.50 | thr | haha ^^ |
| 20:56.05 | Qzot | Ow! |
| 20:56.20 | thr | Ok well i checked FrameXML.log found zip, nothing, zero about anything being wrong. |
| 20:56.28 | thr | I'll paste the full XML(very short like 10 lines) if you'd care to check? |
| 20:56.34 | Qzot | I bet you thought I was being nice there for a sec, didn't you. :D |
| 20:57.16 | Cairenn | http://wowi.pastey.net/ |
| 20:57.19 | Cairenn | :p |
| 20:57.27 | thr | http://pastebin.se/3746 |
| 20:57.36 | thr | There's the XML, the test.lua file is empty so nothing in there |
| 20:58.00 | Maldivia | epic mounts in 1.12.1: 100g :) |
| 20:58.12 | thr | forgot to wrap it in <layers> tags, right? |
| 20:58.15 | thr | that's waht I did wrong? |
| 20:59.06 | thr | ye silly me ;p |
| 20:59.11 | zenzelezz | about the mount changes; I don't even care if they made the mounts free... I still object to raising the skill cost so much |
| 20:59.24 | Qzot | maldivia: HuH/ |
| 20:59.31 | zenzelezz | ruins half the fun of dropped epic mounts |
| 20:59.32 | Qzot | maldivia: Huh? |
| 20:59.44 | cogwheel | get yourself a real XML editor and you won't have silly problems like that anymore :P |
| 21:00.10 | thr | cogwheel, can you hint me on anyone? |
| 21:00.10 | Maldivia | Qzot: 1.12.1 PTR is up, lvl 40 riding skill: 90g, lvl40 mounts: 10g, lvl 60 riding skill: 900g, lvl 60 mounts: 100g |
| 21:00.13 | cogwheel | thr: google free xml editor |
| 21:00.21 | thr | wait now, i gotta pay 900g for the mount I had for over a year now? ;> |
| 21:00.26 | zenzelezz | no |
| 21:00.29 | cogwheel | i came across http://www.xmlfox.com/ though i don't know how good it is |
| 21:00.33 | Qzot | Maldivia: Why? To enable multiple mounts? |
| 21:00.34 | zenzelezz | existing mounts and skills carry over for free |
| 21:00.36 | cogwheel | I use visual studio because i have it... |
| 21:00.50 | thr | Ok, but can any player use any mount now no matter reputation or? |
| 21:00.51 | Maldivia | Qzot: apparently |
| 21:01.15 | Maldivia | Qzot: no faction-specific riding skill anymore, but mounts ard BoP now |
| 21:01.43 | thr | ok, and that means i still need exhalted with darnassus to ride my tiger as human? |
| 21:01.49 | Cairenn | so alli can ride *any* alli |
| 21:01.55 | thr | oh, nice. |
| 21:01.56 | Cairenn | but alli still can't get horde |
| 21:02.08 | Qzot | WAUGHH!!! |
| 21:02.31 | Maldivia | well, the mount vendor in darnassus wont sell you a mount, unless you're exalted with them |
| 21:02.35 | Kirkburn | Woah, seriously??! |
| 21:02.36 | zenzelezz | imagine the ZG/Rivendare mounts... 900g just to be able to use it if you don't already have epic-mount skill |
| 21:02.36 | Maldivia | and considering mounts are BoP |
| 21:03.36 | Maldivia | everyone who is in possesion of an epic mount when the patch goes live, will automatically get the lvl60 skill |
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| 21:03.48 | Osagasu | Imagine the other way zenzelezz... you already have a mount, and you want to change it. Say from a horse to a cat. |
| 21:04.34 | Osagasu | They probably did it for balance purposes among other things in the expansion, with flying mounts and such. |
| 21:04.40 | Maldivia | but if you dont want to grind darn faction to get a mount, get someone to buy it for you now, trade it to you, save it for the patch, and when the patch comes, ride around on it |
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| 21:04.44 | zenzelezz | I don't see that as a problem... if you want a new mount, you should expect to have to pay |
| 21:05.04 | Osagasu | Yes, but now you only pay 100g instead of 1000g. |
| 21:05.05 | zenzelezz | but looting dropped mounts and having a huge extra expense to be able to use it seems useless |
| 21:05.13 | Qzot | Can someone link PTR patch notes, plz? |
| 21:05.31 | zenzelezz | nothing's forcing you to buy 100% mounts either when you want a new one |
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| 21:05.54 | Maldivia | Qzot: http://wowi.pastey.net/824 |
| 21:06.08 | Cairenn | Qzot: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=27722895&pageNo=3&sid=1#52 |
| 21:06.15 | zenzelezz | I've been staying with my 60% because I don't find it worth the extra cost to go a little bit faster, and with this change it seems I'll never get an epic since I certainly won't pay that much for the skill |
| 21:06.48 | Cairenn | the actual patch notes can be read here: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6192 |
| 21:06.54 | Maldivia | zenzelezz: the net price for the epic is the same |
| 21:07.02 | Maldivia | 1.12.0: epic mount costs 1000g |
| 21:07.04 | Cairenn | but the first link I gave you is to the blue confirmation of the unannounced changes |
| 21:07.13 | Maldivia | 1.12.1: epic mount costs 100g, skill costs 900g |
| 21:07.24 | Kirkburn | Hmm warlocks and paladins would have to pay 1000g for a second mount |
| 21:07.26 | zenzelezz | Maldivia: my point is the only way I'd ever get an epic was from a drop (baron/ZG), but now that won't even be any point, since from what I read those will still require the 100% skill |
| 21:07.33 | zenzelezz | *is that the only |
| 21:07.48 | Maldivia | zenzelezz: hmm, good question, think they only require the 75p skill |
| 21:08.03 | zenzelezz | I think I read otherwise in one of the threds |
| 21:08.13 | Maldivia | I doubt it, that would be mean |
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| 21:09.49 | Maldivia | Riding is like a tradeskill now |
| 21:09.58 | Maldivia | start with apprentice, then journeyman |
| 21:10.09 | Maldivia | next level is probably for flying mounts |
| 21:10.44 | Maldivia | Swift Razzashi Raptor: Requires Riding (150) |
| 21:10.45 | Maldivia | ouch |
| 21:11.07 | Maldivia | Swift Zulian Tiger: Requires Riding (150) |
| 21:11.25 | Qzot | So ... currently, the riding skill is binary, and there are different speed mounts? I can't remember. When we got our epic mounts, we didn't have to retrain the skill, right? |
| 21:11.52 | Maldivia | correct |
| 21:12.03 | Maldivia | or well, there was a skill for each faction's mount |
| 21:12.05 | Qzot | Hmm. Does this mean a possible hole? |
| 21:12.11 | Maldivia | Tiger Riding, Mechanostrider Riding etc |
| 21:12.18 | Qzot | Is that going away? |
| 21:12.22 | Maldivia | in 1.12.1, it's just "Riding" |
| 21:12.59 | Qzot | So ... what about someone who buys a cross-race mount *now*, even though they don't have the faction to learn the corresponding skill now? |
| 21:13.01 | Maldivia | Stormpike Battle Charger: Requires Riding (150) |
| 21:13.14 | Maldivia | Qzot: yeah, that was what I was thinking aswell |
| 21:13.25 | Maldivia | Qzot: you'd probably be able to ride that mount then |
| 21:14.20 | Maldivia | the mount seller in darnassus won't sell me anything :| |
| 21:14.26 | Maldivia | and all mounts are BoP now |
| 21:14.32 | thr | I read something about being able to create frames om the fly with a lua function in the latest patch by just feeding a template? |
| 21:14.38 | Qzot | now = PTR? |
| 21:14.43 | Maldivia | yes |
| 21:14.48 | Maldivia | 1.12.0 = binds on use |
| 21:14.56 | Maldivia | 1.12.1 = binds when picked up |
| 21:15.19 | Qzot | But speed is still regulated by the mount itself, no? |
| 21:15.23 | Maldivia | Thr: CreateFrame(type, name, parent, templateName) |
| 21:15.31 | thr | thanks |
| 21:15.44 | Maldivia | Qzot: yes |
| 21:16.16 | Qzot | I'm so evil... |
| 21:16.23 | Maldivia | wee ;) |
| 21:16.35 | Maldivia | Only mount that doesn't require anything, is Foror :) |
| 21:16.43 | thr | is there any way to count the number of child elements a frame has? |
| 21:17.04 | Maldivia | thr, there is |
| 21:17.13 | thr | but i assume it involves recursion |
| 21:17.19 | Qzot | So ... 1.12.0, only the inability to learn a riding skill prevents use of a cross-*faction* mount. |
| 21:17.22 | Cide | local tbl = { frame:GetChildren() }; table.getn(tbl) <-- creates garbage though |
| 21:17.22 | Maldivia | Frame:GetNumChildren() |
| 21:17.30 | Cide | oh, that was easier... |
| 21:17.35 | thr | Cide ^^ |
| 21:17.36 | Cide | had no idea that method existed :) |
| 21:17.47 | zenzelezz | Qzot: in what way do you mean cross-faction? Horde using Alliance and vice versa? |
| 21:17.56 | Cide | go with what Maldivia said, obviously |
| 21:18.07 | thr | ok, one more question is it possible to "move" frames in runtime? like take FRAME1 and detacht it from it's parent FRAME0 and attach it as a child to FRAME2 ? |
| 21:18.24 | Qzot | So ... if one bought a cross-faction mount in 1.12.0, there's some possibility that it might be ridable in 1.12.1, hmm? |
| 21:18.26 | Cide | if you want to anchor it to another frame, use :SetPoint |
| 21:18.26 | Maldivia | Qzot: yes, since you can trade the mounts freely, only the inability to get the skill requires is stopping you from riding an NE mount |
| 21:18.31 | Cide | if you want to reparent it, use :SetParent |
| 21:18.37 | Xuerian | thr, have you gone to http://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_API yet? |
| 21:18.38 | Cairenn | Qzot: so it would appear |
| 21:18.43 | thr | Cide: thnx |
| 21:18.49 | zenzelezz | Qzot: cross-faction how? |
| 21:18.54 | Qzot | Hehe. |
| 21:18.56 | thr | will it "snap" to that parent with the correct positioning, etc. ? |
| 21:19.04 | Cide | no |
| 21:19.04 | Maldivia | I'm considering bying a human mount, transfer my char to PTR, and see if I can ride it |
| 21:19.15 | Qzot | Note that some current mounts limit which races, specifically, may ride them. |
| 21:19.16 | Xuerian | You have to SetPoint(Point/target/targetpoint) |
| 21:19.17 | thr | Cide, what will have to do to make it snap? |
| 21:19.22 | thr | ah ok |
| 21:19.26 | zenzelezz | thought they all did that |
| 21:19.32 | thr | is "<CheckButton name="$parentCheckButton" inherits="OptionsCheckButtonTemplate" checked="true"> |
| 21:19.32 | thr | <Anchors> |
| 21:19.32 | thr | <Anchor point="LEFT"> |
| 21:19.33 | thr | <Offset> |
| 21:19.33 | thr | <AbsDimension x="20" y="0"></AbsDimension> |
| 21:19.33 | thr | </Offset> |
| 21:19.35 | Maldivia | Qzot: Race limit on mounts still exists in 1.12.1 |
| 21:19.35 | thr | </Anchor> |
| 21:19.37 | thr | </Anchors> |
| 21:19.39 | thr | </CheckButton> |
| 21:19.41 | thr | oops, so srry stupid fucking keyboard ;( |
| 21:19.44 | Qzot | NOO! My eyes are exploding. |
| 21:19.47 | zenzelezz | sure, blame the keyboard |
| 21:19.49 | zenzelezz | and then swear |
| 21:19.54 | thr | sitting on a laptop ;< |
| 21:19.54 | Maldivia | thr: for multiline pastes, use pastey :) |
| 21:19.54 | Xuerian | Have some pins, Qzot! They'll lower the pressure! |
| 21:20.10 | thr | zenzelezz laptop you know, different type of keyboard with silly keyplacement ;< |
| 21:20.31 | zenzelezz | no reason to go cursing about it though |
| 21:20.35 | thr | gez. |
| 21:20.52 | thr | anyways, i was going to ask if GetNumChildren is recursive or just for one level? |
| 21:21.38 | Qzot | According to T'bot, all mounts list the eligible races. :( |
| 21:21.51 | Qzot | Apparently, they closed that loophole in some previous patch. |
| 21:22.17 | Maldivia | only cross-faction (horde/alliance) mounts, are those that drop in ZG, AQ and Strat |
| 21:22.39 | Cide | mind controlling the NPCs selling mounts was so fun... |
| 21:22.42 | Qzot | Maldivia: I was being evil, and trying to imagine my Tauren riding a kitty. :D |
| 21:22.46 | zenzelezz | please don't tell me the AQ mounts will also require 100% skill |
| 21:23.26 | zenzelezz | Qzot: get a wolf, tauren looks evil enough on those :-o |
| 21:23.34 | Qzot | I *have* a wolf. |
| 21:23.55 | zenzelezz | then you're looking as mean as you can without a ZG/Rivendare mount =) |
| 21:24.05 | Kirkburn | "in the expansion HoT spells will be stackable, meaning three priests can cast renew on single tank at the same time, makes you wonder how hard the raid bosses are going to be in BC." |
| 21:24.10 | Qzot | I'd prefer an AQ bug. |
| 21:24.27 | Kirkburn | "Eyonix says that hunter and warlock pets will be scalable" |
| 21:24.37 | Kirkburn | (fa-hinally!) |
| 21:24.45 | zenzelezz | I miss my wolf mount... alliance mounts all look dull |
| 21:25.17 | Kirkburn | "[pets] will gain stats as their master levels and be able to get a boost through itemization" :D |
| 21:25.28 | Qzot | Actually, I'm happy with the wolf for my durid. But a cat mount for my orc huntress would be tasty. |
| 21:27.19 | thr | tbh i found it easier to write my own lua code to create a dropdown then using the code that came with blizzards ui thingies, to much magic going on there. |
| 21:28.04 | Cide | possibly, but the blizzard code allows for quite a lot of things |
| 21:28.10 | JoshBorke | bye all |
| 21:28.16 | Cairenn | later JoshBorke |
| 21:28.17 | Cide | bye josh |
| 21:28.19 | *** part/#wowi-lounge JoshBorke (n=Josh@ohm.stl.gtri.gatech.edu) |
| 21:28.23 | Kirkburn | "You still need exalted reputation with another faction to purchase their mounts." |
| 21:28.42 | Maldivia | Kirkburn: you can buy it in 1.12.0, trade it, and then use it in 1.12.1 |
| 21:28.56 | Kirkburn | Yeah, just read that bit :P lol |
| 21:29.17 | Maldivia | or well, haven't tested, but you probably can |
| 21:29.35 | thr | Cide, hmm ok - do you know ANY where there is a simple tutorial - atleast something to get me started properly on blizzards drop downs? |
| 21:29.36 | Kirkburn | Oooh, no, I was wrong about something earlier: "Paladins and Warlocks will receive the appropriate level of riding skill when they finish their quests" |
| 21:29.46 | Maldivia | baah |
| 21:29.51 | Kirkburn | Yay! |
| 21:30.17 | Cide | thr: not really... most people tend to stay away from them |
| 21:30.23 | Kirkburn | However, be careful: "When patch 1.12.1 goes live all characters who have a mount in their possession will receive the appropriate level of skill to ride it. If you have the riding skill but no mount, you will receive apprentice riding." |
| 21:30.24 | thr | yes, i can see why ;P |
| 21:30.35 | Cide | they're pretty easy once you figure it out |
| 21:30.39 | Cide | I use them very often |
| 21:30.41 | thr | Well, everything is. |
| 21:30.50 | Cide | I can give you a template, one sec |
| 21:30.55 | thr | Could you possibly write a minimalistic template/example ? |
| 21:31.00 | thr | <3 |
| 21:31.38 | Xuerian | Hm |
| 21:32.29 | malreth | so, my fiancee who's grinding darnassian rep should buy an epic mount now through a night elf friend |
| 21:33.01 | Kirkburn | Seems so |
| 21:33.17 | Kirkburn | I have a feeling mounts are flooding the AHs right now ... |
| 21:33.37 | Maldivia | malreth: well, either 800g now, or finish the grind, and get it for 100g after patch |
| 21:33.58 | Kirkburn | The riding skill will be very very expensive though, Maldivia |
| 21:34.00 | Tain | Do we know how it affects Wintersabre mounts? Can you trade for one of those to use after the patch? |
| 21:34.13 | Maldivia | Kirkburn: well, not if you have a epic mount alreadyt :) |
| 21:34.37 | Kirkburn | Maldivia, true :) |
| 21:34.38 | Maldivia | tain: aren't they BoP? |
| 21:34.43 | Tain | I don't know, I'd never spend the time to work up the faction. |
| 21:35.01 | Kirkburn | I think they're BoP, otherwise they'd be rather useless as an aim |
| 21:35.14 | Maldivia | once again, Blizzard made the PTR item heaven :) |
| 21:35.14 | Kirkburn | You'd just buy them from someone else ... |
| 21:35.40 | Maldivia | Kirkburn: no, at the moment they require wintersabre skill to use aswell |
| 21:35.57 | thr | Cide: ? :) |
| 21:36.12 | Kirkburn | Maldivia, aaah, it's too confusing .... |
| 21:36.13 | Tain | I'd just like to get something other than the godawful human horse. |
| 21:36.46 | Maldivia | "Reins of the Winterspring Frostsaber", Tiger Riding (NE mount), and BoP |
| 21:36.49 | Maldivia | in 1.12.0 |
| 21:36.53 | Cide | thr: sorry, was busy grinding mobs :) |
| 21:37.21 | thr | meh ;p could you send over the template/example? I've been trying to work these stupid dropdowns out all day but no luck |
| 21:37.49 | Maldivia | WOW |
| 21:38.04 | Maldivia | "Reins of the Winterspring Frostsaber", Requires Riding (75) |
| 21:38.18 | Maldivia | only epic mount I've found so far, that only requires the lvl 40 skill |
| 21:38.28 | thr | well, gg getting it at 40 ;P |
| 21:39.08 | Thrae|Away | thr: Take a look at the Dewdrop library. |
| 21:39.20 | thr | I don't want a library ;/ i want to write it myself :> |
| 21:39.54 | thr | Cide: What I want to accomplish is a drop down with player names in, and in this dropdown you should be able to check the playernames without the dropdown closing, and then close it on some type of button. |
| 21:40.32 | Maldivia | the rank 10 mounts, what are the called? |
| 21:40.47 | thr | Black War Tiger, Black War Horse, etc. |
| 21:40.48 | thr | afaik. |
| 21:40.59 | cogwheel | thr: i'd suggest against that approach as it's not the kind of thing people are used to... I have a really hard time when people use interface elements for one function when they should be used for something else... |
| 21:41.02 | Maldivia | Ok, they only require Riding(75) aswell |
| 21:42.08 | cogwheel | I'd suggest using a scrolling list box or something similar (like the quest list for instance) |
| 21:42.34 | thr | hmm ok, maybe true is there any tutorial to do that? |
| 21:43.07 | cogwheel | http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Make_a_Scrollable_List_Using_FauxScrollFrameTemplate |
| 21:43.15 | thr | <3 |
| 21:43.43 | thr | christ, that's one big xml scroll frame template(FauxScroll-thingy)( |
| 21:45.15 | cogwheel | Worst interface I've ever seen has to be the EngInventory configuration screen... It uses sliders for pretty much everything... from font size to simple on/off flags for hooking specific bags... |
| 21:45.31 | Tain | So my guildleader decided that we were accumulating DKP faster than we should, and instead of changing things for the future just took away a set number of points from everyone. Regardless of their current total or history, just a flat whack. |
| 21:45.47 | Tain | And then doesn't understand why some people are upset. |
| 21:45.48 | zenzelezz | ouch |
| 21:46.17 | cogwheel | I guess they don't use zero-sum dkp then? |
| 21:46.20 | Mery | hmm time for a new guild leader |
| 21:46.21 | Tain | No. |
| 21:46.36 | zenzelezz | what's zero-sum? |
| 21:46.51 | Mery | you just give out that much dkp as you take away |
| 21:46.56 | cogwheel | it's where when you spend DKP on an item, your expenditure is split among everyone else in the raid |
| 21:46.57 | Tain | I'm actually a little ehn on zero-sum dkp, I mean it has an absolute benefit that's inarguable. But the implementationsa re a little dodgy to me. |
| 21:47.02 | Mery | like somebody buys an item for 40 dkp |
| 21:47.05 | Mery | everybody earns 1 |
| 21:47.12 | Cide | thr: ok, one sec |
| 21:47.20 | malreth | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DKP_(point_system) |
| 21:47.40 | zenzelezz | oh, split and handed out to everyone... from how you first said it I thought you meant it somehow cost everyone o_O |
| 21:48.06 | Tain | Well that's one way. There's other systems that do zero sum by keeping the DKP earned the same, and instead changing the buy value of things per raid. Which is assinine to me. |
| 21:48.14 | cogwheel | The reason it's called zero-sum is that if you add up everybody who's ever earned or spent DKP, it adds up to zero... |
| 21:48.26 | zenzelezz | my guild seems to use a fixed-price DKP system where the leaders decide who of the interested people gets the item; either from value to guild or from DKÅ |
| 21:48.29 | zenzelezz | *DKP |
| 21:49.29 | Tain | I actually like bidding DKP systems for the simple fact that they cause highly entertaining drama. |
| 21:49.40 | malreth | my raid org uses a fixed-price zero-sum dkp system. separate databases for ony/MC, BWL, and AQ40 |
| 21:49.58 | zenzelezz | we have separate DKP per instance too |
| 21:50.35 | zenzelezz | I'm actually second highest in points among the warriors for Naxxramas, but it doesn't do me much good except for on junk items that no-one wants, since the main tanks gets the stuff anyway =) |
| 21:50.40 | malreth | we also have a last-set-piece declaration system that allows a class member to get priority for their final declared set piece |
| 21:50.50 | Tain | We don't separate per instance, I know the benefits there too but I think that helps encourage people who don't want something from one instance to not go at all. |
| 21:51.19 | zenzelezz | that's easy enough for my guild... no scheduled raids, only raid times |
| 21:51.24 | zenzelezz | you're online? You raid |
| 21:51.28 | malreth | tain: not a problem for us since we have plenty of alts and other members to go to our raids |
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| 21:51.49 | Tain | Yeah we usually post raids at least a day in advance so people can prepare to be at the instance on time. |
| 21:52.16 | Tain | Of course there have been last second switches when people were suspected of avoiding. |
| 21:52.22 | Tain | So I guess it happens either way. |
| 21:53.01 | Cide | thr: http://pastey.net/825 |
| 21:53.04 | Cide | untested, but it should work |
| 21:53.07 | malreth | we post raids a week in advance. rosters are drawn up so everyone knows who will be on a given raid |
| 21:53.14 | Cide | you need to anchor the myDropdown frame etc |
| 21:53.23 | malreth | raid slotting is handled by a sliding slack list system |
| 21:53.46 | malreth | everyone gets a chance to go to a raid if they're interested and meet the min. reqs. |
| 21:54.15 | malreth | the SSL will determine who gets priority for any given week |
| 21:54.44 | malreth | everything's mechanical, everything's predetermined. we have extremely little drama over loot distribution or raid slotting |
| 21:54.53 | malreth | except for hunters. they're always whiny bitches |
| 21:55.11 | malreth | oop! |
| 21:55.26 | malreth | :x |
| 21:58.34 | Tain | The funny thing is he was basing this on the fact that there are people with too high DKP, and that shouldn't happen. Never mind the fact that there are also people with deep negative. |
| 21:58.49 | malreth | heh |
| 21:58.58 | Tain | It couldn't even possibly be that there are a few people who are just not buying things for some reason? |
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| 22:00.14 | MentalPower_ | any of you know C++? I have a *very* wierd error during compilation and I can't figure out the source |
| 22:00.59 | zenzelezz | what sort of error? |
| 22:01.34 | MentalPower_ | http://pastey.net/827-3vl1 |
| 22:01.40 | MentalPower_ | that error |
| 22:01.43 | thr | Cide thnx |
| 22:02.07 | MentalPower_ | http://pastey.net/826-1es5?hi=36,41 <---Those are the offending lines |
| 22:03.02 | MentalPower_ | comment those two lines out and the program compiles |
| 22:04.32 | jaxdahl | MentalPower |
| 22:04.40 | jaxdahl | does int cast to bool automatically? |
| 22:05.06 | jaxdahl | int ReadRec (ifstream, lista_curso_rec); |
| 22:05.13 | jaxdahl | bool OK = true; |
| 22:05.17 | jaxdahl | OK = ReadRec (semestre,CursosRec); |
| 22:05.24 | MentalPower_ | yes, it does. but I already tried changing them to bool |
| 22:05.26 | MentalPower_ | that was not it |
| 22:05.45 | jaxdahl | what did you change to bool? the return type? |
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| 22:06.10 | MentalPower_ | and the 0 and 1's |
| 22:06.25 | jaxdahl | what is the error? |
| 22:06.44 | jaxdahl | nvm, looking at your other url |
| 22:06.50 | Cide | Microsoft Visual Studio 8\VC\include\fstream(675) |
| 22:07.02 | Cide | so your problem likely lies in the ifstream code |
| 22:07.29 | MentalPower_ | so you're saying its a compiler problem and not a problem with my code? |
| 22:08.16 | Cide | I'm saying you should try commenting out the lines containing Infile in the ReadRec function |
| 22:09.04 | thr | Cide: I tried your code now, but same "problem" nothing shows up.. do i have to hook it to an onclick event somewhere? can't i just call FRAMENAME:Show() ? |
| 22:09.04 | jaxdahl | i suspect itmight be this line |
| 22:09.05 | jaxdahl | Infile.ignore(1); |
| 22:09.20 | Cide | thr: you need to call ToggleDropdownMenu |
| 22:09.25 | Cide | I believe |
| 22:09.35 | jaxdahl | might be this line: getline (Infile, Astudent.nombre, '#'); |
| 22:09.45 | jaxdahl | one or the other |
| 22:09.50 | Cide | thr: or, hmm... does your frame show up? |
| 22:09.54 | thr | nope. |
| 22:10.01 | Cide | thr: then that's your first problem |
| 22:10.04 | MentalPower_ | I commented out the entire body of the ReadRec() function, still the same error |
| 22:10.05 | Cide | did you set an anchor like I said? |
| 22:10.23 | thr | can i jsut anchor it to UIParent? |
| 22:10.32 | jaxdahl | MentalPower, try passing it by reference |
| 22:10.50 | Cide | thr: sure |
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| 22:10.58 | Cide | MentalPower: you're also referencing the ifstream in main |
| 22:11.06 | Miravlix | Any pool on when blizzard make chat restricted, so scripts can't send msgs? |
| 22:11.08 | thr | woho it owrks. |
| 22:11.15 | thr | thanks cide :) |
| 22:11.42 | [floyd] | MentalPower_: I believe std::ifstream doesn't have a public copy constructor -- pass by (const) reference instead (you're passing by value). |
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| 22:11.51 | jaxdahl | what [floyd] said |
| 22:12.21 | [floyd] | Uhm, what jaxdahl said :D (sorry, missed that one) |
| 22:12.23 | malreth | Miravlix: why do you say that? |
| 22:12.33 | jaxdahl | it's trying to copy it, but since it's private - it can't directly copy it |
| 22:12.33 | thr | Cide: tho it doesn't seem to uncheck any boxes or anything, but maybe it's supposed to be that way |
| 22:12.43 | jaxdahl | there may be a copy constructor somewhere that is callable, but that's not what you want ot do |
| 22:12.49 | thr | or well if i click Option 1 it doesnt get unchecked but if i click the other two it gets unchecked |
| 22:12.52 | Cide | thr: you need to look in the blizz code |
| 22:12.58 | jaxdahl | you want to be referencing to the same ifstream, therefore you need to pass it by reference |
| 22:13.04 | jaxdahl | instead of value |
| 22:13.06 | thr | okey, i'll dive in it now then thanks for the help :) |
| 22:13.15 | Cide | there are a lot of attributes |
| 22:13.20 | Cide | info.checked = true/false, for example |
| 22:13.53 | ckknight | hey all |
| 22:14.34 | MentalPower_ | so instead of "ReadRec (semestre,CursosRec);" do "ReadRec (&semestre,CursosRec);" |
| 22:14.54 | thr | ok, i'll try tow owrk it out then |
| 22:15.09 | [floyd] | MentalPower_: No, ( semestre&, ... ) |
| 22:15.21 | ckknight | malreth, lern2spell. "hey" ~= "hay" |
| 22:15.33 | [floyd] | Hay is for horses. |
| 22:15.38 | malreth | sometimes for cows |
| 22:15.50 | [floyd] | </nitpicking> ;P |
| 22:15.54 | malreth | pigs can't eat it 'cause they don't know how |
| 22:17.21 | malreth | someone should hack a lua interpreter into purl |
| 22:17.31 | MentalPower_ | .\primera parte.cpp(36) : error C2059: syntax error : ',' <---On those two lines when I changed them to use ( semestre&, ... ) |
| 22:17.57 | malreth | so you could go: purl, return "hey" ~= "hay" and get a 'true' response |
| 22:18.46 | [floyd] | MentalPower_: You'll need a formal parameter -- otherwise there's little use for references. |
| 22:20.08 | MentalPower_ | in main() or in ReadRec() |
| 22:21.14 | [floyd] | MentalPower_: Don't you have a C++ book? ;) |
| 22:21.26 | thr | Hmmm, is it possible to detect if for example FRAME1 is above FRAME2 ? |
| 22:21.38 | thr | collition detection or something. |
| 22:22.17 | MentalPower_ | [floyd]: an online one, nothing in print yet |
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| 22:22.39 | Qzot | Heyo. |
| 22:22.40 | malreth | above as in on top of or overlapping? |
| 22:22.56 | thr | well, overlapping |
| 22:23.03 | thr | if they "touch" eachother. |
| 22:23.15 | Cide | thr: you could do some magic with :GetLeft/Right/Top/Center |
| 22:23.26 | Cide | s/Center/Bottom/ |
| 22:23.34 | [floyd] | MentalPower_: In your function definition you will have to give the reference a name, something like void foo( X& x ) { ... } |
| 22:23.49 | Cide | alternatively :GetCenter/Width/Height... not sure if there's a better way |
| 22:23.57 | MentalPower_ | oh I tried that, still the same error |
| 22:24.01 | malreth | http://www.wowwiki.com/UI_Coordinates |
| 22:24.06 | malreth | there's some sample code on that page |
| 22:24.20 | Cide | there you go :) |
| 22:24.32 | Cide | [floyd]: X &x! ;) |
| 22:24.34 | MentalPower_ | [floyd]: bool ReadRec (ifstream& Infile, lista_curso_rec& Astudent) |
| 22:24.39 | malreth | requires using GetLeft/Right/etc and GetEffectiveScale |
| 22:25.10 | [floyd] | Cide: D'oh ;) |
| 22:25.19 | [floyd] | MentalPower_: That sounds about right. |
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| 22:25.26 | MentalPower_ | still the same |
| 22:26.06 | Qzot | MentalPower: I really need to hack my copy of Auctioneer (which I love, btw). Are there an existing hacks which extend the Search Auctions, suitable for stealing ideas from? |
| 22:29.09 | MentalPower_ | Qzot: not reall, sorry :( |
| 22:29.11 | Qzot | MentalPower: Specifically, I want to have a view which shows all items that are in my shopping list. |
| 22:29.18 | MentalPower_ | really* |
| 22:29.51 | MentalPower_ | Well, i know norgs coded some functions to easily extend the search auctions tab |
| 22:30.00 | Qzot | MentalPower: And I want an extra selectable column which is "Profit if bought here and sold at the also location." |
| 22:30.15 | MentalPower_ | lemme look at the commit logs |
| 22:30.17 | TS|Skrom | hrmpf... why can't I find the method to change the size of a button's hitbox? |
| 22:30.30 | [floyd] | MentalPower_: You'll need to update both the function signature in the declaration and definition. |
| 22:31.48 | Qzot | MentalPower: The other thing I'd like to do -- possibly separate from Auctioneer -- is to simply not display any auctions from the f--king idiots on my ignore list. Or even better, but disable the ability to buy from them until I remove them from my ignore list. |
| 22:32.58 | [floyd] | Wow -- the ignore list -- never used that feature, ever :D |
| 22:33.01 | MentalPower_ | [floyd]: ZOMG!!!! It works!!! Thanks a ton! |
| 22:33.55 | Qzot | Hmm. Yet another idea for an addon. Call it Prophylaxis. In the main auction window, display a banner over any auction being sold by someone on your ignore list, in 36 pt font, "ASSHOLE". If you select the auction, the bid and buyout buttons are disabled. |
| 22:34.04 | [floyd] | MentalPower_: Cool. In case you haven't yet, check out http://www.mindview.net/Books/TICPP/ThinkingInCPP2e.html |
| 22:34.25 | Qzot | Ahh. Bruce Eckel. Cool guy. |
| 22:34.44 | MentalPower_ | Bookmarked, thanks |
| 22:34.57 | Miravlix | Hmm, weird, in AV I'm going somewhere and a mage attacks me so I run around and heal |
| 22:35.21 | Miravlix | Until she runs out of mana |
| 22:35.37 | Miravlix | Then I run away from her drink and shadowmeld |
| 22:35.43 | malreth | hmm... |
| 22:35.45 | [floyd] | Actually, I don't like Eckel a whole lot -- but since it worked for many people I'll just pass it on. |
| 22:35.53 | Miravlix | as she runs close I get up to go cat and finish her |
| 22:35.56 | Miravlix | and she vanish |
| 22:36.12 | Miravlix | I made her /afk in utter defeat? |
| 22:36.19 | Qzot | I like the guy more than I like his books. :D |
| 22:36.21 | malreth | potion? |
| 22:36.41 | MentalPower_ | http://auctioneeraddon.com/trac/changeset/993 |
| 22:36.41 | malreth | or she got a popup for another BG |
| 22:36.46 | MentalPower_ | Qzot: http://auctioneeraddon.com/trac/changeset/993 |
| 22:37.13 | malreth | how many hitpoints do you have, Miravlix? |
| 22:37.42 | Qzot | MentalPower: Cool. Probably. Want to define a "pricing model"? |
| 22:37.44 | Miravlix | Depends I had my Ac gear on so 3523 in caster |
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| 22:39.20 | malreth | hmm... she should have been able to kill you though... |
| 22:39.32 | malreth | probably didn't have enough burst dps |
| 22:40.04 | MentalPower_ | Qzot: Its the type of pricing model you want to apply to an item |
| 22:40.13 | Miravlix | I used to beat mages since I was level 55 |
| 22:40.33 | Miravlix | And that was 60 mages, I'm very experinced in it |
| 22:40.38 | malreth | druids are a tough fight |
| 22:40.38 | MentalPower_ | ie, if you want everything to have a bid of %150 vendor price and a buyout of 0 |
| 22:40.42 | Qzot | MentalPower:"Pricing Model". n. Def: "It's the type of pricing model you want to apply to an item." |
| 22:40.44 | Miravlix | It's kinda my trademark |
| 22:40.46 | malreth | for mages |
| 22:41.29 | malreth | ok... gotta go. later all |
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| 22:42.08 | Qzot | So, are "Bid", "Buyout", "Bid Per" and "Buyout Per" four existing pricing models? |
| 22:44.47 | Qzot | MentalPower: I think this doesn't apply. At the top of the page it says, "for additional pricing models into the post auctions frame". I suspect this is not related to searching. |
| 22:45.57 | MentalPower_ | oh, true that is |
| 22:46.26 | MentalPower_ | then I'm afraid you'll have to hack into the search auctions tab |
| 22:46.34 | MentalPower_ | shoudn't be that hard |
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| 22:51.16 | thr | We had this up earlier, how do i check if the player is in a raid? |
| 22:52.56 | Cide | GetNumRaidMembers() > 0 |
| 22:53.29 | Cide | thr: www.wowwiki.com will answer a lot of your simple questions :) |
| 22:53.44 | thr | yeah i know just lazy at this hour sorry ;( |
| 22:53.51 | Cide | hehe |
| 22:54.01 | Cide | learn to use it though, it's an awesome resource |
| 22:54.41 | thr | ye i will, read most of the tutorials there already - tho i dont like tutorials where they use pre-made libs, kinda well... takes the idea of a tutorial out of it imho. |
| 22:55.06 | thr | I don't want to learn to use someone elses code, i wanna learn to write my own from scratch |
| 22:56.01 | thr | LUA however is a nightmare if you come from a Java background ;( |
| 22:56.28 | thr | Putting functions in tables, no {, etc. makes me cry a bit |
| 22:58.45 | Qzot | thr: I come from a Java background, and *love* many things about Lua. |
| 22:59.18 | thr | Well, guess it's just hard to get used to the loose typing, and alot of the "magic" that is happening all the time. |
| 22:59.20 | Cide | thr: you can put any type of value in any variable |
| 22:59.41 | Cide | thr: tables, strings and functions are all automatically handled as references |
| 22:59.53 | thr | even strings? o.O |
| 22:59.55 | Qzot | Yes, I love the strong typing of Java for large projects, but for really small stuff, it can get in the way. |
| 23:00.18 | Cide | lua uses a string table, so if you have 1 million variables set to the same string, they all reference the same object in the string table |
| 23:00.27 | thr | Qzot: ye, ah well gonna try to make this mod work over tonight/tomorrow and maybe you can test it out ^;> |
| 23:00.36 | Cide | on the other hand, if you create a new string that is not in the string table, it is a bit slower than other languages as it has to create a new string object |
| 23:01.00 | thr | Speed in the interface code is hardly a problem if we're rendering advanced 3d graphics on screen (wow) ;< |
| 23:01.06 | Cide | as such, some of the string.* functions can be a (relatively) slower compared to other languages, whereas string comparisons are VERY fast |
| 23:01.25 | Cide | right, but it's good knowledge to have regarding lua in general |
| 23:01.34 | thr | well, string comparsions on the other hand is alot more common then string.gsub, etc. |
| 23:01.54 | thr | it usually evens out to personal preference and what's fit the project at hand - the language of choice that is. |
| 23:02.07 | Cide | yep |
| 23:02.30 | [floyd] | Interface speed just became a problem -- had an infinite loop :D |
| 23:02.41 | thr | I mean sure if you're going to do something like wow you don't have much of a choice (C++/C) but other then that, it's usually just personal preference. |
| 23:02.49 | Qzot | Yeah. Java for large, complex stuff. Lua for small, scripty stuff, esp with text processing. Brainfuck for when obfuscation is a priority. |
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| 23:03.23 | Hexarobee | who uses java in the real world? |
| 23:03.29 | jaxdahl | Sun |
| 23:03.32 | Maldivia | a lot |
| 23:03.34 | Hexarobee | shitty websites and schools |
| 23:03.36 | Qzot | Lol. I do. |
| 23:03.40 | Hexarobee | for what? |
| 23:03.51 | Qzot | High performance imaging. |
| 23:04.04 | Hexarobee | elaborate pls |
| 23:04.10 | [floyd] | thr: With the amount of scripting inside WoW I dare say any .NET language will suffice. |
| 23:04.42 | Qzot | The imaging infrastructure used to create pdl imaging software in 100+ppm printers. |
| 23:05.30 | Hexarobee | interesting, one of my teachers worked on a project to scan newspapers on the roll at 60mph and drop out spotted ones after they were cut and folded |
| 23:05.33 | [floyd] | Sure, the render kernel will still have to be C/C++. For now anyway. |
| 23:05.37 | thr | Qzot I'm more used to php/perl for scripting tho then LUA |
| 23:06.01 | thr | php5.1 is the closest i can get to java and still retain the syntax and not throw in so much magic ;P |
| 23:06.02 | Qzot | perl makes sense if you already know it. |
| 23:06.10 | thr | Qzot: so does everything else. |
| 23:06.13 | [floyd] | thr: Are functions first class objects in php? (out of curiosity) |
| 23:06.17 | Qzot | But perl is much more high-investment than Lua, imho. |
| 23:06.40 | thr | [floyd]: no they're not, donnu how they work exactly in php but there are some ugly solutions to some things in that language ;P |
| 23:06.51 | Qzot | thr: Hmm. I disagree. |
| 23:07.01 | thr | Go ahead and disagree ;p |
| 23:07.03 | [floyd] | I see, thanks :) |
| 23:07.37 | thr | ruby however = /cry |
| 23:07.44 | thr | that is just even more magic then lua ;p |
| 23:07.54 | Qzot | thr: I looking at two different axes: ease of use for a master programmer knowledgable in that language, and ease of learning for a master programmer. |
| 23:08.12 | Qzot | thr: Wtf? What magic are you talking about in Lua? |
| 23:08.29 | Qzot | thr: Simplicity is one of it's main selling points, imo. |
| 23:08.30 | thr | well, not magic but... confusing syntax, putting functions in tables, etc. |
| 23:08.38 | thr | I'm just not used to it, that's it :) |
| 23:08.54 | [floyd] | Lua -- has quite a bit of voodoo around it. Can be both functional as well as imperative. |
| 23:09.04 | Qzot | Even if this isnt' your 2nd language, it sounds like you have a serious case of 2nd language effect. |
| 23:09.29 | thr | It's my hmm... 4th language. |
| 23:10.01 | Qzot | Yeah. Well, I had it with C, which was probably about my 10th. Syntax seemed bass-ackward. |
| 23:10.01 | thr | I just like C/C++'s style of coding... simple as that. |
| 23:10.22 | [floyd] | The thing that annoys me about Lua is options: a[x] == a.x, or i = 1 and i = 1; |
| 23:10.25 | [floyd] | What gives? |
| 23:10.51 | Qzot | I don't recognize that as legal Lua. |
| 23:10.52 | Cide | no no |
| 23:10.57 | Cide | a["x"] == a.x |
| 23:11.11 | Qzot | Yes. |
| 23:11.17 | [floyd] | Heh :D |
| 23:11.18 | Cide | syntactic sugar |
| 23:11.23 | Qzot | a.x is simply syntactic sugar for a["x"]. |
| 23:11.25 | Kirkburn | "Loor Around You" ... what an awesome program |
| 23:11.27 | [floyd] | The point is: Options are redundant. |
| 23:11.29 | Kirkburn | *Look :/ |
| 23:12.14 | thr | [floyd]: agree there, there should be one - and only one syntax, imho. |
| 23:12.41 | [floyd] | There should be only one, imnsho. |
| 23:12.47 | Cide | [floyd]: you'll love function myFunc(self, var) and self:myFunc("var") |
| 23:12.54 | Cide | unless you already delved into that :) |
| 23:13.15 | Kirkburn | "Maths stands for Mathematical Anti Telharsic Harfatum Septomin" |
| 23:13.19 | [floyd] | Yeah, there's more, like a = { 1 },; is identical to a = { 1 } |
| 23:13.35 | Cide | that's simply because semicolons are unnecessary in most cases |
| 23:13.39 | Cide | there are, however, exceptions |
| 23:13.57 | [floyd] | Those exceptions wouldn't be, if ";" was mandatory. |
| 23:14.09 | Cide | I always use semicolon anyway |
| 23:14.23 | Qzot | thr: Do I hear a perl coder arguing for only one way to do something? :D |
| 23:14.34 | Hexarobee | hehe |
| 23:14.34 | [floyd] | So do I, but not necessarily everyone else. Which makes code harder to read. |
| 23:14.59 | thr | Qzot: well, i know perl but I dont use it ;P |
| 23:15.12 | thr | Me <3 Java, simple as that. Done 99.99% of all my work in it so. |
| 23:15.19 | Qzot | thr: I'm the opposite. I don't know perl, but I *do* use it. :P |
| 23:15.28 | Cide | [floyd]: similarly, parentheses are optional in if statements and such |
| 23:15.29 | thr | that can lead to very nasty results ; |
| 23:15.31 | thr | ;P |
| 23:15.44 | Qzot | It has. And will continue to do so. I wish I had a choice. |
| 23:15.58 | thr | ^^ |
| 23:16.00 | [floyd] | Cide: Yeah. Thanks for keeping them coming ;) |
| 23:16.21 | Cide | obj:func(val) == obj.func(obj, val) |
| 23:16.50 | Cide | but I don't really see these things as bad, unlike you :) |
| 23:16.59 | Qzot | obj:GetSomethingElso():DoSomethingToIt(); |
| 23:17.00 | Hexarobee | its fun accidently putting a ; at the end of a for loop line and spending hours tyring to figure out why the loop just isnt running |
| 23:17.10 | [floyd] | Cide: Shut up now, will you ;) |
| 23:17.16 | Mr_Rabies2 | hahaha i love getting riposted or sheeped |
| 23:17.22 | Qzot | Ooooo. Metatables. |
| 23:17.45 | Qzot | Like a chemistry set for young evil scientists. :D |
| 23:18.29 | Cide | { key = 'val', key2 = 'val2' } == { ["key"] == 'val', ["key2"] == 'val2' } |
| 23:18.48 | thr | Qzot for example the fact that it's : instead of :: here, i know it's not the same operator but after writing :: for what? 5 years the 2nd : comes naturally ;ö |
| 23:19.30 | Cide | however, tbl.2 is not valid, you must use tbl[2] or tbl["2"] (depending on integer or associative index) |
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| 23:22.15 | [floyd] | thr: Get wowuides -- it'll open the dropdown list after the first ":" -- you'll get used to it. Possibly ;) |
| 23:23.32 | Mr_Rabies2 | soooo |
| 23:23.42 | Mr_Rabies2 | ack wrong channel |
| 23:24.03 | [floyd] | Iriel: Btw, thanks for DevTools -- a true live saver :) |
| 23:25.19 | Qzot | http://wowi.pastey.net/828 <-- cool and gross at the same time |
| 23:27.19 | Qzot | local foo = util.newCountTable(); |
| 23:27.32 | thr | can you inherit from one virtual frame to another? |
| 23:27.38 | Qzot | foo[blah] = foo[blah] + 1; --increment count of blah |
| 23:27.40 | thr | virtual1 > virtual2 > concrete ? |
| 23:28.00 | thr | or is the inheritance just one level deep? |
| 23:28.43 | Cide | oh [floyd], you'll love this one: myFunc"string" == myFunc("string") |
| 23:29.02 | [floyd] | Cide: You bet I do :/ |
| 23:29.06 | Cide | only valid when there's only one argument though :) |
| 23:29.21 | [floyd] | More exceptions, plz :) |
| 23:29.36 | Qzot | That's as bad as the for i,v in t do hairball. |
| 23:29.59 | _bs | would GetRaidRosterInfo("player") work? |
| 23:30.26 | Cide | _bs: it takes an index |
| 23:30.53 | Cide | [floyd]: hm, [[this is a string]] == 'this is a string' |
| 23:31.27 | _bs | so i got to figure out the player's raidindex first before i can determine the rank.. |
| 23:31.37 | [floyd] | Lua does make an "Obfuscated Code Competition" rather pointless... |
| 23:31.55 | Qzot | But more importantly, [[Interface\Addons\MyStuff.tga]] == 'Interface\\Addons\\MyStuff.tga' |
| 23:32.12 | Cide | Qzot: wrong |
| 23:32.56 | Cide | err |
| 23:32.58 | _bs | thx btw |
| 23:33.21 | Qzot | I'm waiting, Cide. |
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| 23:33.25 | Cide | you're right :) |
| 23:33.31 | Qzot | Thank you. |
| 23:34.28 | Qzot | [[]] is specifically designed to *not* have to escape stuff. |
| 23:34.28 | [floyd] | And "a\\b" == 'a\\b'? |
| 23:34.28 | Qzot | Yup. |
| 23:34.28 | [floyd] | Great! :D |
| 23:34.32 | Qzot | Because they're both 3-letter strings. |
| 23:35.11 | Cide | they reference the same string, too |
| 23:35.22 | Amro | hello |
| 23:35.26 | thr | hi! |
| 23:36.49 | Qzot | Cide: I particularly like to use s=[[...]] with iterating string.gfind(s, "[^ ]+") or string.gfind(s, "[^\n]+") to load up static data structures. |
| 23:37.37 | Qzot | Cide: The latter form lets you have a multiline string, and pick up one string per line. |
| 23:37.40 | Cide | yeah |
| 23:39.14 | [floyd] | Is there a DB somewhere that has item names in all supported languages? |
| 23:39.42 | Qzot | There has to be. |
| 23:39.57 | Qzot | Tho I'm not sure Blizz will let you access it. |
| 23:40.54 | Cide | all servers support item links in all languages, I'm pretty sure |
| 23:41.02 | [floyd] | Heh, thanks ;) |
| 23:41.44 | [floyd] | They sure do, but when gathering info, I'd rather have item names converted to language-neutral indices. |
| 23:41.58 | Kirkburn | Whee, the Wii is coming the EU on December 8th - Price: £180 / €250 |
| 23:41.59 | Cide | item id :) |
| 23:42.20 | Cide | all item links contain the item id, which is the base item |
| 23:42.30 | Cide | same for all languages |
| 23:42.45 | Mikord | Aye cide is correct |
| 23:43.34 | Cide | item link format: |c########|Hitem:%d+:%d+:%d+:%d+|h[ItemName]|h|r |
| 23:43.40 | Cide | the first %d+ = item id |
| 23:43.49 | Cide | the ##'s = color code |
| 23:44.10 | Mikord | you can get the item info string which is like itemid:123456:x:x:x:x. That itemid will always be a particular item |
| 23:44.44 | Mikord | heh cide beat me to it |
| 23:45.20 | [floyd] | Cide: Doesn't quite work with GetLootSlotInfo() et. al. :/ |
| 23:46.03 | Mikord | use GetLootSlotLink? |
| 23:46.42 | [floyd] | Good advice, thanks a heap! |
| 23:47.13 | Cide | some of those functions only return the item:%d+:%d+:%d+ part, so make sure you check what they return |
| 23:47.39 | [floyd] | Again, thanks for the hint, it is much appreciated. |
| 23:48.02 | Mikord | If you want to backtrack the name you can either parse it out of the itemlink string you get or just feed the itemid back into GetItemInfo() |
| 23:48.38 | [floyd] | Perfect! All set now. Thanks. |
| 23:48.43 | Mikord | the first parameter retunred from GetItemInfo is the name. In fact I think GetItemInfo takes an itemlink too |
| 23:48.57 | Mikord | not sure on that one though. Cool. Glad to hear it |
| 23:50.57 | Mikord | A question for you optimizaion gurus. If you have a large table of static data that is only used in rare circumstances, is it better to just declare it up front, or to put it inside a function that actually creates it when you need it? |
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| 23:52.05 | Cide | Mikord: will you use it every session? |
| 23:52.12 | Mikord | nope |
| 23:52.30 | Cide | if you're not using it that often, I'd put it in a function |
| 23:53.05 | Mikord | That's what I was thinking, but I was worried that the code used to build it would effectively take up about the same amount of room |
| 23:53.23 | [floyd] | I would say create it on demand -- otherwise you'll just increase load times every time, even if it's not needed. |
| 23:54.16 | Mikord | Alright thanks. That's what I was planning on. Just started second guessing myself because I no the function has to be loaded into memory anyways.. |
| 23:54.28 | Mikord | know* |
| 23:55.38 | Cide | Mikord: used a small table with 20 integers from 1-20 in indices 1-20 |
| 23:56.05 | [floyd] | One thing you might want to consider is out-of-memory conditions -- not sure if they are handled automatically during load-time vs. run-time. |
| 23:56.10 | Cide | over 1000 iterations, 1000 tables are about 10 times larger than 1000 functions containing the same table definition |
| 23:56.59 | Cide | just very simple testing, but yeah, functions are smaller :) |
| 23:57.14 | Mikord | awesome thanks cide |
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| 23:58.07 | Kirov | yay |
| 23:58.11 | Mikord | I was thinking a function is merely the code text whereas a table actually creates all the pointers necessary for each object and subtable, etc |
| 23:58.51 | Mikord | and metatable info and the rest of all that jazz, so I guess it does make sense |
| 23:58.52 | Cide | functions are also compiled |
