| 00:00.05 | cladhaire | local _,_,unit = string.find("Perl_(%a+)_who_knows_what") |
| 00:00.05 | TS|Skrom | I had a working search string but perl names it's party frames slightly differently then it's player... and so it didn't work with the one I had, but they ALL use the perl_unit_ format |
| 00:00.09 | GeoDaMancer | Regular expressions, whoooot! |
| 00:00.14 | cladhaire | oh |
| 00:00.21 | cladhaire | nvm, the who knows what was unknown, haha |
| 00:00.30 | TS|Skrom | %a+ means alpha and until alpha ends? |
| 00:00.34 | Mery | good night all |
| 00:00.35 | cladhaire | local _,_,unit = string.find("Perl_(%a+)_.+") |
| 00:00.40 | cladhaire | TS|Skrom: In short, yes. |
| 00:00.48 | TS|Skrom | what does the trailing .+ do? |
| 00:00.49 | Legorol | %a+ means at least one alpha character, up until it ends |
| 00:01.02 | Legorol | the trailing .+ means at least one more character after the _ |
| 00:01.15 | Legorol | but that could be any character |
| 00:02.18 | TS|Skrom | oh, but if I'm using it like this: _,_,unit=string.find(frameName,"Perl_(%a+)_.+") would be the way to go? |
| 00:03.12 | cladhaire | you could actually leave the trailing .+ off if you'd like, but if thats how perl names its frames, then yes. |
| 00:03.34 | TS|Skrom | so "Perl_(%a+)_" would suffice... |
| 00:03.40 | Legorol | cladhaire: it's an eeeny tiny bit different if you leave .+ off |
| 00:03.58 | Legorol | without .+, you will match Perl_name_ as well, but with .+ you don't |
| 00:04.09 | cladhaire | aye |
| 00:04.20 | cladhaire | i dont know how the frames are named |
| 00:04.24 | Legorol | i know you know, i'm explainign it to TS|Skrom |
| 00:04.33 | cladhaire | Aah, you made me beep :P |
| 00:04.39 | Legorol | beep? |
| 00:04.42 | Legorol | btw, how was your trip? |
| 00:04.52 | cladhaire | spectacular, if not exhausting. |
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| 00:05.01 | cladhaire | its 1:00am right now in my body |
| 00:05.10 | Kirkburn1 | Damn right too |
| 00:05.10 | Legorol | i was up to arms getting my new accommodation sorted |
| 00:05.15 | Legorol | now i'm boxing my place up :) |
| 00:05.18 | Kirkburn1 | It should be 1:00am everywhere |
| 00:05.36 | Legorol | actually, let's make it 12am everywhere, because then everyone's on GMT |
| 00:05.37 | cladhaire | I loved SE England, Canterbury was gorgeous this weekend |
| 00:05.53 | Legorol | aye, nice weather this weekend |
| 00:05.56 | Kirkburn1 | Get to get around the area? |
| 00:06.07 | cladhaire | And it looks like I'm gonna be working with teh dept head, and the head of another research group on a UK govt. grant |
| 00:06.16 | Kirkburn1 | Went orienteering yesterday on Hampstead Heath, was wonderful weather |
| 00:06.22 | Legorol | cladhaire: you'd been britishized if you are talking about the weather though :) |
| 00:06.32 | cladhaire | Friday I got to walk from the University down to and past the cathedral, took tons of pictures |
| 00:06.34 | cladhaire | Legorol: Hehe |
| 00:06.42 | Legorol | which place will you be at? |
| 00:06.42 | Kirkburn1 | Have to agree there :P |
| 00:06.53 | cladhaire | Legorol: University of Kent @ Canterbuty |
| 00:06.54 | Legorol | is that the guy you wanted to snare? |
| 00:06.56 | cladhaire | s/ty/ry/ |
| 00:07.21 | Kirkburn1 | hehe, silly purl |
| 00:07.23 | cladhaire | Legorol: This was a last minute meeting that got set up with a brilliant professor in functional programming |
| 00:07.40 | cladhaire | Kirkburn1: hehe silly cladhaire's nonglobal regexp :P |
| 00:07.42 | Legorol | sounds good, when are you starting? |
| 00:07.50 | Kirkburn1 | :) |
| 00:08.43 | cladhaire | Legorol: Fall 07, imo |
| 00:08.51 | cladhaire | just gotta work out funding.. its damn expensive over there. |
| 00:08.51 | GeoDaMancer | cladhaire, I'm trying to create a slider in the Widget Api, but I can't figure out how to run it. I just might not have declared it correctly. ^^: |
| 00:09.36 | cladhaire | GeoDaMancer: Best bet is to look someplace that one is already defined, i.e. the interface options |
| 00:10.07 | GeoDaMancer | Hrm, true.. But isn't that defined in regular xml? |
| 00:10.27 | cladhaire | Yeah, but we shoudl be close to the point where we can do anything in lua that we could do in xml |
| 00:10.39 | cladhaire | just a matter of doing it dynamically |
| 00:11.29 | GeoDaMancer | ... I mean, I can't figure out how to get the lua to do it. xD |
| 00:11.31 | cladhaire | GeoDaMancer: Grab a small bit of the xml code, and we'll pick it apart =) |
| 00:11.43 | GeoDaMancer | Heh.. I'll work on that myself. xD |
| 00:11.50 | Tain | It's all dynamical and stuff. |
| 00:12.00 | cladhaire | Tain: Your butt is dynamical |
| 00:12.03 | GeoDaMancer | Yep. Wheeee.. |
| 00:12.34 | Tain | I like big butts and I cannot lie. |
| 00:12.56 | GeoDaMancer | You brother brother's can't denie. xD |
| 00:13.49 | dreyruugr | When a girl walks in with an itty-bitty waist |
| 00:13.59 | Kirkburn1 | cladhaire, I cannot deny that SE England is rather expensive |
| 00:14.32 | cladhaire | Kirkburn1: Would you say that its much more expensive than the rest of the country? |
| 00:15.44 | Kirkburn1 | Well, it's all relative, but most of the SE isn't cheap. If you're a reasonable distance from city centres it gets better though |
| 00:16.20 | GeoDaMancer | What the hell!? Friends isn't on. |
| 00:16.31 | GeoDaMancer | And I just noticed, I've been watching Sienfeld. |
| 00:16.36 | cladhaire | Kirkburn1: I'll keep that in mind. |
| 00:16.38 | cladhaire | GeoDaMancer: eeew |
| 00:16.40 | Kirkburn1 | You can always find bargains of course :) |
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| 00:17.06 | cladhaire | Kirkburn1: I'm hoping the bf comes to Kent with me, but we'll see.. he may end up on Oxford |
| 00:17.12 | cladhaire | or Cambridge |
| 00:17.12 | GeoDaMancer | I prefer Sienfeld over friends, but I'd really like the Simpsons once more. |
| 00:17.17 | cladhaire | or somewhere else i'd have to commute like whoa =/. |
| 00:17.21 | Kirkburn1 | Doing what? |
| 00:17.38 | cladhaire | Distributed Systems or High Performance Computing |
| 00:17.42 | cladhaire | MSc/PhD |
| 00:17.46 | Kirkburn1 | At least Canterbury has a direct link to London |
| 00:17.53 | Kirkburn1 | ooh, wow |
| 00:18.16 | Kirkburn1 | Personally I'd go for Cambridge as a general rule |
| 00:18.17 | cladhaire | he's looking at Kent, which is cool, just hope he doesn't head to Trinity |
| 00:18.29 | Kirkburn1 | Kent would obviously be better :P |
| 00:18.39 | cladhaire | Kirkburn1: No MSc program at Cambridge, he'd have to matriculate as a PhD student from his BSc |
| 00:18.44 | Kirkburn1 | ah |
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| 00:19.47 | Tain | Matriculate? Someone's busting out the fifty cent words. |
| 00:19.51 | Kirkburn1 | I saw them build the new Uni technology area in Cambridge a few years ago, the Microsoft building there was reaaly nice |
| 00:19.55 | cladhaire | haha |
| 00:20.14 | cladhaire | Kirkburn1: I'm applying there =) Just have to figure out how to write my research proposal |
| 00:20.56 | Kirkburn1 | In greek, with egyptian hieroglyphics every so often to test them, and encrypt it. ;) |
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| 00:21.53 | cladhaire | Kirkburn1: lol, that'd only work if legorol would speak for me =) |
| 00:22.00 | Kirkburn1 | hehe |
| 00:22.01 | zinor | you all see the new itunes? |
| 00:22.09 | zinor | <3 the new album browser |
| 00:22.10 | cladhaire | zinor: i caught word of it |
| 00:22.18 | zinor | just came out today i think |
| 00:22.24 | zinor | liking it so far :) |
| 00:22.41 | Kirkburn | zomg does it crawl into every part of your PC like previous versions? |
| 00:22.48 | zinor | hm? |
| 00:23.01 | Kirkburn | I refuse to install Quicktime :) |
| 00:23.11 | zinor | ya quicktime is still crap |
| 00:23.13 | zinor | but itunes is great |
| 00:23.25 | zinor | i think its just retarded apple expects you to buy quicktime pro just for full screen viewing |
| 00:23.32 | Kirkburn | I know :/ |
| 00:23.36 | Kirkburn | Idiotic |
| 00:23.51 | zinor | ya |
| 00:23.54 | Kirkburn | I'm fine with my Quicktime Alternative :) |
| 00:23.56 | zinor | but its great software other than that |
| 00:23.59 | zinor | but i dont use quicktime |
| 00:24.04 | zinor | its just installed.. because |
| 00:24.10 | zinor | its new codec is awesome though |
| 00:24.15 | cladhaire | quicktime is Pimp Shit(tm) For making video |
| 00:24.20 | zinor | weay better than wmv's latest |
| 00:24.23 | zinor | cladhaire, ya thats what i heard |
| 00:24.24 | cladhaire | WHY IS MY SHELL CONNECTION LOCKED UP |
| 00:24.31 | cladhaire | zinor: FCP and I are best friends, |
| 00:24.38 | zinor | fcp? |
| 00:24.58 | Kirkburn | cladhaire, you sound like you're having massive mood swings :P |
| 00:25.03 | zinor | lol |
| 00:25.23 | cladhaire | Kirkburn: Nah, just bored |
| 00:25.32 | Kirkburn | and shouty :) |
| 00:26.07 | Kirkburn | I cannot CONTROL the volume of MY VOICE |
| 00:26.33 | zinor | ok |
| 00:26.36 | zinor | Kirkburn, and anyone else |
| 00:26.39 | zinor | wiki opinions |
| 00:26.46 | zinor | do you prefer MediaWiki linking, or Trac |
| 00:26.50 | Kirkburn | Wiki's are teh uberness |
| 00:26.56 | zinor | [[Page]], [http://www.link.com/] or |
| 00:26.58 | Kirkburn | I should be admin on all wikis |
| 00:27.04 | zinor | [http://link.com], [wiki:Page] |
| 00:27.08 | Kirkburn | First |
| 00:27.14 | zinor | k good, i agree |
| 00:27.23 | zinor | im trying to export trac's code as its in python, making it standalone |
| 00:27.28 | zinor | but i didnt like their linking system so ill probably change that |
| 00:27.37 | Kirkburn | Stick with the common version :) |
| 00:28.11 | zinor | hrm |
| 00:28.41 | Kirkburn | Hrm? |
| 00:29.07 | zinor | this is going to be difficult :P |
| 00:29.09 | Kirkburn | What's this for, anyway? |
| 00:29.22 | zinor | curses |
| 00:29.42 | zinor | if i get this library working standalone well I think we'll use wiki-code sitewide, on the forums/articles as well |
| 00:29.45 | Kirkburn | It's for curses? Everyone contributes their own curse? :P |
| 00:29.53 | zinor | curse gaming |
| 00:30.42 | zinor | :P |
| 00:34.17 | Tain | Oh on an important note, the price of street drugs has been steadily dropping in the UK according to a study. |
| 00:34.40 | zinor | O.o |
| 00:34.40 | Qzot | Later, peoples. |
| 00:35.08 | Kirov | It'd be helpful if the curse gaming site worked ... |
| 00:35.09 | Kirov | ;) |
| 00:35.24 | Kirov | oh, it's back! |
| 00:35.27 | zinor | ya |
| 00:35.29 | zinor | wasnt our fault ! |
| 00:35.34 | zinor | the dns host died\ |
| 00:35.47 | zinor | even the hosters site was dead :) |
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| 00:52.02 | jaxdahl | is there an addon that will auto-pass wartorn scraps? |
| 00:53.29 | Kirkburn | So apprently post reporting has changed on the forums |
| 00:53.33 | GeoDaMancer | How do you get a texture to fit the correct size? |
| 00:53.48 | Kirkburn | http://blue.cardplace.com/newcache/us/23682384.htm |
| 00:53.59 | Kirkburn | You can even request stickies specifically :D |
| 00:54.09 | GeoDaMancer | Er, when using the Widget API. |
| 00:56.47 | cladhaire | GeoDaMancer: You anchor the texture to the parent frame |
| 00:57.00 | cladhaire | or you can specify the size of the texture, and anchor it somewher ewithin the frame |
| 00:57.06 | GeoDaMancer | SetAllPoints(parent)? |
| 00:57.31 | Kirkburn | Yet more maintenance downtime!! http://blue.cardplace.com/newcache/us/23722373.htm |
| 00:57.53 | Kirkburn | Remember: "Due to the nature of these hardware upgrades, we’re unable to preserve the friends and ignore list for characters on these realms." |
| 00:58.39 | cladhaire | GeoDaMancer: That should work |
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| 01:02.45 | GeoDaMancer | How do you set just a border? |
| 01:03.17 | GeoDaMancer | And can backdrops and textures be interchangable? |
| 01:03.46 | Cairenn | Kirkburn: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info5330-FriendSave.html |
| 01:03.49 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 01:04.08 | Kirkburn | Yay!! Thankies! |
| 01:04.36 | Kirkburn | I haven't the faintest idea if my server has been updated yet ... |
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| 01:05.52 | Kirkburn | Well that's quite something ... IE7 is taking up 242MB of memory atm |
| 01:06.13 | Gryphen | :o |
| 01:06.21 | Kirkburn | ya |
| 01:07.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | my firefox loves taking up 400+ if i don't close or minimize it |
| 01:07.58 | zinor | Mr_Rabies, theres some option you can change to fix that |
| 01:08.02 | zinor | do you have a lot of extensions? |
| 01:08.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | a ton |
| 01:08.19 | Gryphen | lol, use up lots of memory option |
| 01:08.30 | Gryphen | nice feature |
| 01:08.49 | GeoDaMancer | My ff takes up... 40megs. xD |
| 01:09.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | mine's using 182 |
| 01:09.32 | zinor | 33 here and tahts with 15 extensions |
| 01:09.36 | Kirkburn | I minimized it and restored it - now it's 13 megs :) |
| 01:09.48 | Kirkburn | Amazing the difference it makes |
| 01:10.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | drops to 30 when i minimize |
| 01:11.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | 25 or so extensions, 20 tabs or so |
| 01:11.30 | Kirkburn | 25 extensions :O |
| 01:12.15 | zinor | 20 tabs |
| 01:12.15 | zinor | lol |
| 01:12.18 | zinor | what do you expect :) |
| 01:14.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | i blame the flash plugin |
| 01:17.01 | sancus | It's because of the fastback thing |
| 01:17.15 | sancus | it stores all your previous pages in RAM so you can use the back button faster |
| 01:18.16 | Kirkburn | It may say it's not using the memory any more, but the pagefile didn;'t reduce much - I guess it'll only reduce if it needs to be freed up |
| 01:18.58 | Kirkburn | Useful though, I don't mind the so-called "memory leak" :) |
| 01:21.54 | sancus | yeah it could be less aggressive |
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| 01:22.26 | sancus | no idea if anyone is working on that |
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| 01:22.46 | sancus | I dont really pay any attention to it, 2GB of RAM makes you ignore how much memory your stuff is using heh |
| 01:22.50 | Kirkburn | :) |
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| 01:23.23 | Kirkburn | I haven't had a screensaver on my machine for aaages, just tried it out and it looks awesome on dual monitors |
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| 01:23.52 | Kirkburn | These screensaver are beautiful: http://www.reallyslick.com/ |
| 01:24.05 | Kirkburn | *screensavers |
| 01:25.12 | Iriel | 2.0 changes thread updated on the forum (for anyone who didn't notice it) |
| 01:25.22 | GeoDaMancer | Hey, Tem were you the one asking about Vertical Sliders? |
| 01:25.29 | Tuller | electric sheep? |
| 01:25.36 | Tem | GeoDaMancer, I was |
| 01:26.09 | GeoDaMancer | No. If you try to do it lower on top, higher on bottom the bar freezes. |
| 01:26.16 | Tem | heh |
| 01:26.18 | Tem | figures |
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| 01:28.21 | End | hrm |
| 01:28.35 | End | the blizzard forum moderators are awfully heavy handed about censoring |
| 01:28.41 | GeoDaMancer | Yep, don't work et all. |
| 01:29.01 | End | someone posted a link with .scr as the extension, and now we can't say /script or anything with scr in it |
| 01:29.25 | GeoDaMancer | Say /run |
| 01:29.31 | GeoDaMancer | It's shorter anyway. : p |
| 01:29.36 | Kirkburn | Yeah, Tseric ran into that earlier |
| 01:29.37 | Tuller | spell crit and ranged crit chance, brilliant |
| 01:29.52 | Thrae | End: Not heavy-handed, the forum code is just stupid (according to the forum moderators). |
| 01:30.12 | Thrae | They can't do something like ".scr" according to them. |
| 01:30.25 | sancus | that's what they get for writing their own forum software |
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| 01:31.02 | Corrodias | i don't understand... you can't say anything on the blizzard forum with the letter combination 's', 'c', and 'r' in it? |
| 01:31.14 | cladhaire | Iriel|Away: I wish you were able to clear out that thread a bit more, it gets quite distracting :( |
| 01:31.16 | Kirkburn1 | You can't say "login screen" for example |
| 01:31.26 | Kirkburn1 | Or scrambled egg |
| 01:31.50 | Kirkburn1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:32.12 | Corrodias | hahah... those wacky blizzard forums |
| 01:32.13 | Kirkburn1 | If you try to say scraped, however, that's different |
| 01:32.27 | Corrodias | but they're just a bunch of flames and whiners anyway |
| 01:32.30 | End | scraped works? or what? |
| 01:32.39 | Kirkburn1 | Because in that case rape takes priority in their weird filter |
| 01:32.45 | End | (I do see scr and rape in scrape) |
| 01:32.46 | End | ahh |
| 01:32.53 | Kirkburn1 | so you get sc****p |
| 01:33.01 | Kirkburn1 | um, sc****d, even |
| 01:33.30 | Thrae | Kirkburn1: **** ***! |
| 01:33.53 | Kirkburn1 | No, **** ********! |
| 01:34.26 | Kirkburn1 | You ******* ************, you :) |
| 01:34.31 | End | o_O |
| 01:35.25 | Kirkburn1 | So one can retrieve your crit chance now :) |
| 01:35.33 | Kirkburn1 | Coool |
| 01:35.41 | cladhaire | heh |
| 01:35.41 | Kirkburn1 | No more attempting to work it out |
| 01:35.55 | Cairenn | that is going to make posting "scripts" on the UI forum rather interesting |
| 01:36.15 | Kirkburn1 | Yeah, I hope they change it |
| 01:36.30 | Kirkburn1 | Someone didn't quite think it through |
| 01:36.58 | gnorlish | D**** of Benediction |
| 01:39.16 | Hexarobi | omg the forums disabled searches, smooth |
| 01:39.44 | Kirkburn1 | It was putting to much strain on them |
| 01:40.52 | Hexarobi | is scr some new curseword im unfamiliar with? |
| 01:41.00 | Kirkburn1 | .scr |
| 01:41.12 | Kirkburn1 | Used for screensavers ... and viruses |
| 01:41.15 | Hexarobi | a processor directive? |
| 01:41.22 | Hexarobi | ooo the .scr file extension |
| 01:41.24 | Kirkburn1 | Basically acts like an executable |
| 01:41.51 | Hexarobi | so they added "scr" to the curse word filter to stop links to .scr files? |
| 01:42.01 | Kirkburn1 | yup |
| 01:42.07 | cladhaire | lol |
| 01:42.13 | cladhaire | bad regexp ftl |
| 01:42.45 | Cairenn | snafu |
| 01:43.54 | Esamynn | omg! |
| 01:43.58 | Esamynn | how shall I put this |
| 01:44.00 | Esamynn | oh I know |
| 01:44.03 | Esamynn | ~lart Blizzard |
| 01:45.05 | Kirkburn1 | eep, thunder |
| 01:45.40 | Esamynn | or better yet |
| 01:45.53 | Esamynn | ~lart SomeStupidBlizzardEmployee |
| 01:46.09 | Esamynn | that was sooo perfect! |
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| 01:53.38 | Corrodias | when in AV and AB, objectives that are contested have a countdown timer bar in the middle of my screen, on frame "gvalley_main". is this part of the bliz UI or is it from one of my addons? |
| 01:54.54 | Cairenn | well, looks like perhaps they've rescinded it |
| 01:55.14 | Kaelten | howdy |
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| 01:55.29 | Cairenn | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=24942569&postId=253204166&sid=1#8 |
| 01:55.33 | Cairenn | hi Kaelten |
| 01:55.37 | GeoDaMancer | Howdy howdy! |
| 01:59.54 | Corrodias | wow, slow login process (game) |
| 02:03.38 | GeoDaMancer | Really? |
| 02:03.53 | GeoDaMancer | Wow, yeah. |
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| 02:17.08 | Corrodias | man, i get a ton of "internal mail database error"s when collecting my day's mail |
| 02:23.33 | AnduinLothar | click too fast |
| 02:28.59 | Corrodias | hm. i was hoping i wouldn't have to do it manually. :( |
| 02:29.15 | Corrodias | and my internet connection seems to blow tonight |
| 02:32.14 | Corrodias | 20KB/s downstream... either i'm being severely limited again or the network is sucking again |
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| 02:36.33 | cmunn | Any hunters here with their Rhok and Lok? I need some advice. |
| 02:36.49 | Kirkburn1 | Bedtime - night night! |
| 02:36.53 | cmunn | Night |
| 02:36.57 | Cairenn | night Kirkburn1 |
| 02:37.55 | Kirkburn1 | taraa |
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| 03:50.29 | Tem_ | What's the name of the guy that does all those commercials for diabetes? |
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| 03:56.29 | Iriel | Hm, I know it's not me, but I dont watch much TV |
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| 04:03.48 | Industrial | YAY! |
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| 04:22.11 | tIN | does anyone know if there is an event that can be accurately used for pet changed target? I can't seem to find anything to satisfy this need =/ |
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| 04:25.34 | tyroney | Ok, I've reparented the little rotating arrow model. I've hidden the minimap. (and all the buttons and tracking and stuff that are children of it) Which OnUpdate do I need to call (with what arguments) to keep the arrow pointing the right way/ |
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| 04:35.23 | AnduinLothar | bastards.. they changed out server name again.. |
| 04:35.27 | AnduinLothar | our* |
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| 04:35.37 | Gngsk | oO |
| 04:35.48 | AnduinLothar | Kil'Jaeden to Kil'jaeden |
| 04:36.06 | AnduinLothar | fuxors everyone's ui |
| 04:38.32 | Gngsk | :\ |
| 04:38.39 | Gngsk | what was it before Kil'Jaeden? |
| 04:39.14 | AnduinLothar | no, the just changed the capitolization |
| 04:39.51 | Gngsk | yea, but you said they changed it _again_ |
| 04:40.36 | AnduinLothar | "Kil'Jaeden " |
| 04:40.40 | AnduinLothar | with a space |
| 04:40.56 | Gngsk | wow, that's pretty horrible |
| 04:43.04 | Caboose[FH] | are you guys for real? |
| 04:57.06 | tyroney | simpler question: event to register that fires after all the xml has been run through? (all of it, not just mine) |
| 05:00.52 | tIN | http://www.wowwiki.com/Events_that_fire_during_the_Loading_Process |
| 05:01.25 | tIN | your probably looking for "PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD" |
| 05:01.59 | ckknight | PLAYER_LOGIN would be better, imho |
| 05:02.05 | ckknight | since it only fires once |
| 05:02.29 | tIN | *shrug* ^^ sounds good |
| 05:03.41 | tIN | does anyone know a good event to use for pet changed targets? |
| 05:04.02 | tIN | cannot seem to find anything like this... |
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| 05:10.31 | sancus | wee |
| 05:10.33 | sancus | 39 splinters |
| 05:10.38 | sancus | one more and I can ebay my legendary staff wielding mage |
| 05:14.28 | tyroney | Watch for stuff dying? Because that's the only reason I think of for pet changing. |
| 05:16.34 | tyroney | Ok, I feel dirty. I wait for a variables_loaded, then I run through the children of minimap, reparent them to a fakeMinimap, and then I can hide it and alpha the real minimap to keep the little player model updating. |
| 05:17.59 | tyroney | (updating while the minimap is "closed") |
| 05:28.22 | tyroney | Argh. The quest objective dots are another model with no name, aren't they? |
| 05:28.29 | Iriel | tIN: It would be UNIT_TARGET arg1="pet" |
| 05:28.52 | Iriel | tIN: : if that fires |
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| 06:05.41 | Mikma | give it to me honey i wan't it sooooo baaaad |
| 06:07.02 | tIN | Iriel: I don't see any documentation on WoWWiki for UNIT_TARGET... and I get no errors, but no event fired when I register it (register, and in OnEvent print event) |
| 06:07.21 | tIN | Iriel: do you know of any usages I can look at of it? (pet or other) |
| 06:10.31 | Iriel | tIN: It looks like I was having wishful thinking, you'll have to periodically monitor "pettarget" in an OnUpdate block |
| 06:11.34 | tIN | that's what I was thinking (for short code) catching it other ways doesn't ensure it's up to date... (ie, it's not my target also, and someone else does dmg, not up to date until pet hits, or it hits pet events) |
| 06:12.33 | hell_lord | is there an ACE replacement for flexbar |
| 06:12.41 | hell_lord | _or_, what's the best button bar to use |
| 06:13.00 | hell_lord | _and_, what's the fastest and easiest way to disable the player frame, last time i just made it into a tiny addon with 1 function :P |
| 06:13.37 | tIN | '/script PlayerFrame:Hide() =D |
| 06:14.01 | tIN | well... mebbe /script PlayerFrame:UnregisterAllEvents() also |
| 06:14.03 | hell_lord | ugh, i bet i'm gonna end up having to stick that in a tiny addon again :P |
| 06:14.21 | tIN | I don't think the interface options lets you hide em yet |
| 06:14.31 | tIN | just grp in raid, that kinda stuff |
| 06:14.41 | hell_lord | actually i'm not even talking about the player frame |
| 06:14.44 | hell_lord | i forget what it's called |
| 06:14.55 | tIN | 01:11 < hell_lord> _and_, what's the fastest and easiest way to disable the player frame |
| 06:15.02 | hell_lord | you know, the basic button interface with the dragons on the sides, and the menu buttons |
| 06:15.05 | hell_lord | DefaultSOmething |
| 06:15.06 | tIN | AHH |
| 06:15.08 | tIN | MainMenuBar |
| 06:15.11 | hell_lord | yeah. |
| 06:15.16 | hell_lord | MainMenuBar:Hide() :P |
| 06:15.19 | tIN | yeah, I made my own =/ |
| 06:15.28 | hell_lord | lol |
| 06:15.32 | tIN | unparents the pet buttons, and the xp bar |
| 06:15.40 | tIN | oh, and the ping indicator |
| 06:15.47 | tIN | they get mounted on other things |
| 06:15.52 | tIN | xp on bottom of UIParent |
| 06:16.05 | hell_lord | do you use flexbar |
| 06:16.09 | tIN | latency on minimap (by the +/-) |
| 06:16.26 | tIN | pet buttons just to UIParent |
| 06:16.46 | tIN | yeah, I like FB... If I have time I'm going to roll my own though |
| 06:17.04 | tIN | less flexible (as in not flexible at all), more efficient |
| 06:17.24 | hell_lord | yeah when i used to use flex bar it would freeze the game for a half a sec every time i stealthed... was very unpleasant |
| 06:17.31 | tIN | eeek |
| 06:17.41 | hell_lord | hopefully it's not that bad anymore |
| 06:17.45 | tIN | never had that kind of problem.... you turn all the even handler deals off? |
| 06:18.08 | hell_lord | well this was quite a while ago, but i had set up an event to switch bars when i stealthed |
| 06:18.09 | tIN | there is a keybinding for a menu thing, you can turn down/off the events it checks |
| 06:18.32 | tIN | so only have it check aura's |
| 06:18.43 | hell_lord | i was just writing scripts in that little editor they ahve |
| 06:18.53 | hell_lord | i don't even think i configured anything |
| 06:18.53 | tIN | usually enough for that kinda stuff |
| 06:20.10 | tIN | I guess I never minded the in-efficiency of FB, it's just fun to write mods.... so it'd be fun to replace someday (I don't really focus my mods for wide scale acceptance, just myself, so they don't need to be fancy, or flexible) |
| 06:20.47 | hell_lord | yeah i love flexbar but i wish it was blindingly fast |
| 06:21.07 | hell_lord | part of it is my computer i think, it's not very good |
| 06:21.08 | tIN | I'm sure discord bars are prob same, or worse... |
| 06:21.24 | hell_lord | my average fps in WoW is like 15 |
| 06:21.40 | tIN | you try turning up your memory alocated to AddOns? |
| 06:21.43 | hell_lord | hopefully i'm going to get a new one soon -_- |
| 06:21.57 | hell_lord | i have, yeah |
| 06:22.15 | hell_lord | it's just my crappy system, it's a dell p4 1.7ghz |
| 06:22.30 | tIN | onboard video? |
| 06:22.31 | hell_lord | 512mb ram |
| 06:22.38 | hell_lord | no, i put in a nvidia geforce fx 5600 |
| 06:22.48 | hell_lord | which is better than average, but not by much :p |
| 06:23.00 | tIN | 512 is starting to not be enough... even for casual gamers anymore |
| 06:23.14 | hell_lord | yeah :( |
| 06:23.29 | tIN | alot of ppl jumped to a gig early though... prob never used past 512 until recently, payed the early adopter tax, heh |
| 06:24.03 | hell_lord | this computer came with two 128 mb sticks of ram |
| 06:24.19 | hell_lord | i had to ditch those and buy 2 256s :P |
| 06:24.26 | hell_lord | and if i remember, that's it |
| 06:24.31 | hell_lord | can't go any higher |
| 06:24.42 | tIN | =/ that's pretty crap |
| 06:24.57 | tIN | 1.7 that max's at 512 |
| 06:25.09 | Corrodias | i have to use EnableMouse(false) on 3 frames in a startup script because they unnecessarily block mouse clicks |
| 06:25.17 | hell_lord | dell likes to give you crappy motherboards |
| 06:25.19 | Corrodias | actually, 4 |
| 06:25.19 | tIN | haha, me too Corrodias |
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| 06:26.12 | Corrodias | now back to kicking some ass in AV |
| 06:26.17 | tIN | and putting enableMouse="false" doesn't work... need the EnableMouse(false) in the OnLoad() |
| 06:26.39 | hell_lord | i think maybe i posted an addon to cursegaming that just removed the menu bar and that's it |
| 06:26.51 | hell_lord | like, a year ago :-P |
| 06:27.18 | tIN | hehe, I downloaded one when I first got flex... then learned you could put scripts on load in flex, did that for a bit |
| 06:27.23 | tIN | then finaly rolled my own |
| 06:27.36 | tIN | got a keybinding for showing it again and everything =D |
| 06:28.08 | hell_lord | i did the same with flex but i was angry that when i logged in i would see the menu bar for a second |
| 06:29.13 | hell_lord | the new version of SCT is awesome |
| 06:29.36 | tIN | oh yeah? since I started playing again I've just been using the new built in one |
| 06:29.48 | hell_lord | so was i for quite a while |
| 06:29.54 | tIN | with the .. forget what i's called.... popcorn (left/right) scroll |
| 06:30.16 | tIN | I don't care for the built in one |
| 06:30.18 | hell_lord | the new SCT has a really nice font and smoother, jazzier effects |
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| 06:30.45 | hell_lord | there's also something called SCTd that pops up combat log text like "You have gained Divine Spirit." |
| 06:31.02 | hell_lord | and it plays an actually pleasant sound when i'm low on mana, which is surprising |
| 06:31.14 | tIN | I got unit frames with player just below/left of my toon, and target below/right... so I can track health easier... I really haven't felt the need for SCT since I got those |
| 06:31.56 | hell_lord | i liked it for my 22/8/21 rogue cause whenever i'd crit ambush or backstab it'd balloon out real nice and i got like, addicted to seeing that |
| 06:32.04 | tIN | might give it a try though, used to swear by SCT |
| 06:32.12 | hell_lord | i certainly recommend it |
| 06:34.59 | Mikma | i use FCT and i like it |
| 06:37.46 | hell_lord | farting combat text? |
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| 07:15.46 | Mr_Rabies2 | graah i hate ab |
| 07:32.56 | Tem | *sigh( |
| 07:33.17 | Tem | I just wrote in 40 lines of lua what it took my professor 200 lines of c |
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| 07:40.08 | tIN | Tem: odd comparison.. the two languages aren't very similar |
| 07:40.20 | Tem | no |
| 07:40.37 | Tem | it's just frustrating that what I can do in 40 lines of lua takes 200+ lines in c |
| 07:40.46 | Tem | but I'm not allowed to submit the assignment in lua |
| 07:43.26 | tIN | I still don't get your point... there a billion things that you can do in c that you cannot do in lua, so... you would rather the class taught you lua? |
| 07:43.45 | Mikk | There's always a given best language for a given problem |
| 07:43.52 | Mikk | But if you're being taught C, that's irrelevant =) |
| 07:44.00 | tIN | ^^ +1 |
| 07:44.25 | tIN | 2nd line, not first =P |
| 07:44.47 | tIN | _best_ is kinda a grey area, heh |
| 07:44.50 | Mikk | (besides, i could probably squeeze that C prog down to a lot less than what your prof manages :-P) |
| 07:44.53 | Mikk | tIN: hehe no kidding =) |
| 07:45.02 | Tem | it's not a language class |
| 07:45.07 | Tem | it's a concept class |
| 07:45.11 | Mikk | oh |
| 07:45.18 | Mikk | gimme the assingment :-P |
| 07:45.22 | Tem | just annoys me that I see a faster, easier way and I'm not allowed to use it |
| 07:45.33 | tIN | c = fairly low level, lua = high level, loosely typed.... |
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| 07:45.42 | tIN | things will appear much easier in lua |
| 07:45.44 | gnorlish | is there any particular reason my wow svn should be refusing to refresh since... 11:55est |
| 07:46.17 | Mikk | tIN: The one thing I lament about Lua is not having an option for strong typign when I want it :< |
| 07:46.28 | Mikk | Loose typing kicks ass in some situations, and definitely for all quick hacks |
| 07:46.38 | Mikk | But when you want to get structured with a big project, it invites.... iffyness |
| 07:47.50 | Tem | it invites confusion |
| 07:48.06 | tIN | quiet Tem, your a lua whore |
| 07:48.09 | tIN | hehe, j/k |
| 07:48.29 | Tem | if you aren't careful and start reusing variables, you can come back a day later and go, "ok, now wtf was in this one now?" |
| 07:48.40 | Mikk | mmh hmm |
| 07:48.43 | tIN | i'm just playing devils advocate because it's fun & educational |
| 07:49.37 | tIN | I do think there is alot of merrit to your prof's approach.... they don't show you the shortcuts in math early on because you'd never understand your next class |
| 07:49.58 | Tem | it's not like that at all |
| 07:50.00 | gnorlish | i always thought it was because they're mean |
| 07:50.03 | gnorlish | and spiteful |
| 07:50.12 | Tem | it's that she wrote the sample code 15 years ago |
| 07:50.29 | tIN | that doesn't make it bad code =D |
| 07:50.37 | Mikk | gnorlish: No, mean and spiteful profs make you hand in assignments in MetaLanguage |
| 07:50.48 | Tem | we're allowed to rewrite it ourselves in another language if we want, but lua isn't one of the allowed languages |
| 07:50.52 | Mikk | No iteration! Only recursion! |
| 07:50.58 | tIN | uck |
| 07:50.59 | Tem | teehee |
| 07:51.16 | tIN | there's like 3 known real world applications to recursion |
| 07:51.28 | gnorlish | quick, calculate 5! |
| 07:51.38 | Tem | quite a few more, tIN |
| 07:51.41 | gnorlish | maybe that should be, 5!! |
| 07:51.51 | Tem | recursion is an incredibly powerful tool |
| 07:52.00 | tIN | I'm exagerating, but there aren't too many |
| 07:52.05 | Mikk | function IsEven(x) return IsEven(x-2); end function IsEven(1) return true; end; function IsEvent(0) return false;end; |
| 07:52.11 | Mikk | Isn't that efficint? |
| 07:52.35 | Mikk | I probably have the syntax wrong but the concept is right. |
| 07:52.35 | tIN | Tem: lol, give it a few years and then count over what you've written after you leave school... you won't find too many uses |
| 07:53.11 | Tem | I've seen self-balancing binary trees used for the backend to associative arrays |
| 07:53.16 | Mikk | Regexes, breadth-first searches ... umm ... trees. |
| 07:53.31 | Mikk | Quicksort (special case of a tree) |
| 07:53.39 | tIN | things usually included in the library you use |
| 07:53.39 | Mikk | When you have those in a lib, you're mostly done with recursion :-P |
| 07:53.45 | Mikk | ^5 |
| 07:53.46 | Tem | heh |
| 07:53.49 | gnorlish | i barely remember all that stuff now |
| 07:54.04 | gnorlish | i was a compsci major but now 2 years later i can't stand any of it |
| 07:54.11 | Tem | hey, don't forgot calculating a factorial! |
| 07:54.18 | Mikk | That's iteration |
| 07:54.27 | Tem | not if you're crazy |
| 07:54.30 | Mikk | :-) |
| 07:54.39 | Mikk | Oooh wait.. Fibonacci series, recursively! |
| 07:54.47 | Mikk | a.k.a. CPU killer |
| 07:54.50 | tIN | ok ok... my final statement on the subject |
| 07:54.56 | tIN | recursion is a super powerful tool... |
| 07:54.59 | tIN | that you will never use |
| 07:55.01 | Tem | factorial(n) if n == 0 return 1 else return n*factoral(n-1) end end |
| 07:55.07 | Tem | wheee |
| 07:55.29 | Mikk | Okay. Now give me the factorial for 1 billion |
| 07:55.40 | gnorlish | 1000000000! |
| 07:55.41 | Tem | let me get back to you in a day or so |
| 07:55.57 | Mikk | No, you'll have ran out of RAM from stack smashing a long time before that :-P |
| 07:56.23 | Tem | meh, I'll write out the tail-call version |
| 07:56.29 | Tem | (and pray my compiler is smart) |
| 07:56.35 | Mikk | (Ok, stupid example. There's no data type that'll hold the factorial for 1bn) |
| 07:56.39 | Mikk | Good point Tem |
| 07:56.47 | tIN | framebuffer? =D |
| 07:57.08 | Tem | ~exception Mikk |
| 07:57.14 | purl | ACTION throws a NullPointerException at Mikk. |
| 07:57.22 | Tem | ~botsnack |
| 07:57.22 | purl | Tem: :) |
| 07:57.41 | Mikk | Only Real Languages have null pointer exceptions =) |
| 07:58.20 | Tem | speaking of which... I'll probably end up writing this assignment in java |
| 07:58.27 | Tem | stupid OO obsession |
| 07:58.44 | Mikk | is javascript a valid option? =) |
| 07:58.49 | Tem | no |
| 07:58.51 | Mikk | meh |
| 07:58.54 | gnorlish | that's what language my college mainly used |
| 07:59.06 | Tem | I think I get, C, C++, Obj C, Java |
| 07:59.13 | Mikk | OBJECTIVE C?! |
| 07:59.16 | Mikk | Are they crazy? |
| 07:59.20 | Mikk | Who the HELL uses that anymore?! |
| 07:59.25 | Tem | *shrug* |
| 07:59.31 | Tem | I'll never use it |
| 07:59.48 | Mikk | Ohwell.. better than ML, still. |
| 08:00.00 | Mikk | (MetaLanguage, that is. Not machine language.) |
| 08:00.09 | Tem | I kinda wish they had given me D as a choice |
| 08:00.18 | Tem | that's a language I'd like to learn |
| 08:00.25 | Mikk | A! |
| 08:00.32 | gnorlish | i think i did some work in ML in my theory of languages class |
| 08:00.35 | Tem | no, really, D looks cool |
| 08:01.05 | Tem | it looks like they took the best features from Java and C# and made a bastard child |
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| 08:01.39 | Tem | any of you familliar with python? |
| 08:03.26 | Mikk | Tem: Interesting! |
| 08:04.15 | tIN | python is great |
| 08:04.34 | tIN | never used it for anything but small scale scripting, but it's great at that |
| 08:04.54 | Mikk | I like the indentation scope idea most of all tbh |
| 08:05.08 | Mikk | No more fuckups due to indentation not matching actual scope |
| 08:05.59 | Tem | ah, here we go |
| 08:06.03 | Tem | http://www.digitalmars.com/d/comparison.html |
| 08:06.35 | tIN | sleep time |
| 08:06.44 | tIN | ZzZz, g'night all |
| 08:07.00 | Tem | what does this syntax in python mean? "return (A,B, (C, D, E)" |
| 08:07.04 | Tem | oops |
| 08:07.20 | Tem | "return (A,B, (C, D, E))" |
| 08:07.56 | Mikk | Tem: What kind of garbage collector does D use? |
| 08:08.02 | Mikk | (Please, please, not mark-and-sweep) |
| 08:08.03 | Tem | don't remember |
| 08:08.32 | kergoth | () is a tuple, unlike [] which is a list, afaik. |
| 08:09.33 | Tem | kergoth, so, it could be used to represent a tree? |
| 08:10.03 | AnduinLothar | yes |
| 08:10.05 | kergoth | any list/tuple type could do so, in any language |
| 08:10.24 | Tem | nifty |
| 08:10.54 | kergoth | the python documentation on its site is actually quite good :) |
| 08:11.13 | kergoth | i love python, i just wish i'd stop mixing up lua and python syntax |
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| 08:12.01 | Tem | haha |
| 08:12.35 | kergoth | you have no idea how many times i tried to use the python % operator instead of string.format in my lua code |
| 08:12.40 | kergoth | out of habit |
| 08:13.41 | Mr_Rabies2 | are all the pvp graveyards on the same 30 second timer? |
| 08:14.03 | Mr_Rabies2 | BS, Mine, LM, Stable and Farm are all on the same timer for ressing? |
| 08:14.11 | cmunn | Any hunters here with their Rhok and Lok? |
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| 08:17.18 | cmunn | Rather, is it out of line for me to tell a guild officer who's had their Leaf and Sinew for two months and have still been unable to kill a single demon despite a claimed 200g worth of consumables and countless hours invested that they are a poor excuse for a hunter? |
| 08:18.37 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm gonna do it without consumables |
| 08:18.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | i solo'd ursius at level 54 i can solo some dumb demon |
| 08:19.33 | cmunn | There are times when I do not understand why I still associate myself with my guild... |
| 08:19.54 | Mr_Rabies2 | most hunters tend to have the intelligence of a brick |
| 08:20.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | so maybe he's a good excuse for a hunter but a poor excuse for a good hunter :P |
| 08:20.19 | cmunn | Lol |
| 08:20.39 | cmunn | She's also got this voice that cuts to the bone. |
| 08:20.59 | cmunn | It pains me to even talk to her. |
| 08:21.14 | Mr_Rabies2 | what server? |
| 08:21.19 | cmunn | Dunemaul |
| 08:21.53 | Mr_Rabies2 | i generally don't bitch at players to their face |
| 08:22.32 | cmunn | It was during an officer meeting, where she was complaining that she wasn't allowed to roll on the Gurubashi Dwarf Destroyer Sunday night (It was given to a rogue instead) |
| 08:23.28 | cmunn | Note: She already has her leaf and sinew. However, since she's a "gun" hunter and not a "bow" hunter, and because she shoots more in endgame than melee classes, it should have gone to her or another hunter) |
| 08:23.40 | Mikk | All our hunters have the hunte repic |
| 08:24.06 | Mikk | Granted, all of them had to re-try a few times on one or two of the demons |
| 08:24.16 | Mikk | But we're talking a matter of days here |
| 08:24.53 | Mikk | (And yeah, I think they all had teams killing shit in their path in Silithus. You don't want adds on that demon and Silithus is bloody full of em) |
| 08:26.34 | cmunn | Here's the kicker, she refuses any help on the encounter because it's "cheating." |
| 08:26.47 | Mikk | ... doh |
| 08:26.54 | cmunn | This includes buffs or letting people clear adds for her. |
| 08:27.01 | Mikk | ... doh |
| 08:27.16 | AnduinLothar | dumb |
| 08:27.23 | AnduinLothar | she doesn't use addons either does she |
| 08:27.24 | Mikk | Yeah.. helping out on the demon would be cheating... but that's also impossible |
| 08:27.35 | Mikk | Clearing out adds is just eliminating stupid randomness |
| 08:28.16 | Mikk | And "gun" hunter vs "bow" hunter is just plain silly imo |
| 08:28.17 | cmunn | Of course she uses addons... Without her threat meter, she wouldn't be able to keep from pulling aggro in endgame. |
| 08:28.28 | Mikk | Um |
| 08:28.29 | AnduinLothar | lol, tell her that's cheating |
| 08:28.39 | Mikk | If there's one class that doesn't need aggro meters, it's hunters |
| 08:28.45 | Mikk | just feign early & blast |
| 08:29.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | or if you pull aggro and it's not something with a conic attack |
| 08:29.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | then just feign |
| 08:29.50 | Mr_Rabies2 | it's not that damn hard |
| 08:30.01 | cmunn | Yea... She's stupid, and I'm venting because the guild almost split over this BS tonight. |
| 08:31.09 | cmunn | Here's the sad truth: I already have, but I'm still an officer. |
| 08:31.12 | Mr_Rabies2 | if ONE person is almost causing a guild to fall apart there's more problems than just that one person |
| 08:31.22 | cmunn | It's much larger than just her. |
| 08:32.23 | Mikk | Mr_Rabies: Well.. one person can stir up a lot of shit given enough time. But, yeah, the problem would then be with the leadership hesitating too much to do the obvious thing: kick him/her out. |
| 08:32.29 | cmunn | We started as a "casual endgame guild" which was born from a series of mergers |
| 08:32.55 | Mr_Rabies2 | i kept shit that people stirred up with me stirred up |
| 08:33.08 | Mr_Rabies2 | the dps pally telling me i should spec resto among other things |
| 08:33.31 | Mikk | HAHAHAAHAAAAAA |
| 08:33.40 | Mikk | dps... pally.. endgame.. |
| 08:33.56 | Mr_Rabies2 | i'm fine with having pallies in the middle of the fight |
| 08:34.02 | Mikk | Pallies are only like the most powerful endgame healer there is. |
| 08:34.05 | Mr_Rabies2 | as long as they have blessings and spot heals covered |
| 08:34.08 | Mikk | They can keep flashing indefinitely. |
| 08:34.13 | cmunn | We now have over 250 members and have trouble filling BWL for the sole purpose of farming Razergor |
| 08:34.17 | Mr_Rabies2 | they can keep flashing while wacking away at enemies too |
| 08:34.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | that's what makes pallies awesome, their casting ability is pretty much unstoppable |
| 08:34.38 | Mikk | Well. yeah.. but you need like +500 healing to be really useful. |
| 08:34.41 | Mikk | So then you're not dpsing. |
| 08:35.07 | Mr_Rabies2 | if you get a decent mix of +dam/healing you can dps and heal pretty well on a pally |
| 08:35.20 | Mikk | True.. magical damage can go high |
| 08:35.32 | Mikk | But for that, you need T2 gear already :-P |
| 08:35.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | especially since there's no such thing as holy resist |
| 08:35.57 | cmunn | I cry myself to sleep regularly... |
| 08:36.11 | |FF|Im2good4u | hunters own ! dont talk bad about them |
| 08:36.19 | Mikk | Ah bah... I'm just being partial I suppose. I rolled a pally alt and drove him up to 60 just to show certain people that pally healing > all. |
| 08:36.31 | Mikk | We no longer have any "dps" pallies in raids any more. They heal =) |
| 08:36.42 | Mikk | We do have a number of DPS druids and priests though =) |
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| 08:37.15 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 08:37.24 | Mikk | Including the nutty smite build priest with more than +500 spelldmg |
| 08:37.29 | AnduinLothar | pallies can dps too, they just have to try harder |
| 08:37.43 | Mikk | I'd like to see any paladin ding 400dps or better |
| 08:37.47 | AnduinLothar | and colelct twice as much loot |
| 08:37.51 | Mikk | They can go to like 200dps max |
| 08:38.15 | AnduinLothar | sustained dps tho.. |
| 08:38.24 | Mikk | And a rogue's dps isn't? :-P |
| 08:38.30 | AnduinLothar | compared to a mage |
| 08:39.00 | AnduinLothar | pally dps is entirely based on procs that dont calculate well |
| 08:39.02 | kergoth | my rogue only does like 240 *sniff*. course he's in almost all blues :\ |
| 08:39.18 | Mikk | 200dps includes mashing judgements nonstop |
| 08:39.36 | AnduinLothar | but not weapon procs of consecration |
| 08:39.39 | AnduinLothar | or* |
| 08:39.52 | Mikk | I don't remember if i included consa |
| 08:40.05 | Mikk | I think I did |
| 08:40.16 | Mikk | But no, not weapon procs |
| 08:40.43 | AnduinLothar | judge crusader, judge command, consecrate whenever vengence procs |
| 08:40.51 | AnduinLothar | holy aura |
| 08:40.56 | AnduinLothar | might |
| 08:41.10 | Mikk | Ah bah |
| 08:41.12 | AnduinLothar | if it's undead, more |
| 08:41.22 | Mikk | Anyway, no, i'm not implying that pallies are unable to do some sort of DPS |
| 08:41.35 | Mikk | They're just DPSing relative to their survival skills, which are high. Otherwise they'd be way overpowered in PVP. |
| 08:41.55 | Mikk | My point is simply that they're omfgwtfbbquber healers. |
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| 08:41.57 | AnduinLothar | they sacrifice stam for int |
| 08:42.03 | AnduinLothar | and yes |
| 08:42.07 | AnduinLothar | i outheal priests |
| 08:42.27 | AnduinLothar | and then they bitch at me |
| 08:42.38 | AnduinLothar | and i get pissed and stopp healing |
| 08:43.11 | |FF|Im2good4u | lol i had some1 bithichng why he didnt get healed by a shadow priest :p |
| 08:43.17 | AnduinLothar | and then they whine when we wipe |
| 08:43.54 | AnduinLothar | healers get all sorts of crap |
| 08:44.02 | Mikk | always |
| 08:44.13 | |FF|Im2good4u | yeh that becase they are crap ! |
| 08:44.21 | AnduinLothar | and pallies get even more cause our buffs wear off 4x as much |
| 08:44.37 | AnduinLothar | so pallies get bitched at for everything |
| 08:45.05 | |FF|Im2good4u | i h8 good warriors or pala's |
| 08:45.32 | |FF|Im2good4u | if i stnad a a range shooting at some mobs 1 run after me i dont case and shoot at the ranged mobs but he coems to save me :( |
| 08:45.36 | AnduinLothar | but they need us. they need to realize that and stop whining |
| 08:45.45 | |FF|Im2good4u | tnhe i can use ranged anymore nad im useless |
| 08:49.37 | Legorol | |FF|Im2good4u: a really good warrior will come and save you, then drag the mob back to the melee zone |
| 08:49.41 | Legorol | so you can start shooting again |
| 08:49.50 | Legorol | if he is good, he can do this quickly enough that you don't lose that much time |
| 08:50.01 | Legorol | or you can help them by running into the melee zone when you have an add ;-) |
| 08:50.05 | Mikk | Or feign |
| 08:50.15 | Legorol | even better, the warr will love you for it! |
| 08:50.30 | Legorol | i assumed feign was on CD, otherwise |FF|Im2good4u would've used it |
| 08:50.50 | Legorol | j/k, i forgot about feign |
| 08:51.01 | Mikk | Of course, feigning tends to cause other problems. Some caster will always have out-aggroed the tank while the mob was out running, so the hunter feigns, and then the mob goes and eats a squishy instead |
| 08:51.07 | Mikk | :< |
| 08:52.10 | zespri | see you guys in november, hoepfuly will knew the release date by then =) |
| 08:52.22 | Mikk | zespri: ? |
| 08:52.26 | Mikk | you off? |
| 08:52.38 | zespri | yeah, I have long holidays |
| 08:52.42 | zespri | and house move |
| 08:52.46 | Mikk | oh, cool. |
| 08:52.47 | jaxdahl | the new forums suck |
| 08:52.50 | zespri | so going to pack the pc in 5 minutes =) |
| 08:52.55 | Mikk | have lots of fun, and good luck with the move! |
| 08:53.08 | zespri | cheers =) |
| 08:53.12 | Legorol | have a good holiday zesprie! |
| 08:53.31 | Legorol | of course the best warrior will use Intervene to save |FF|Im2good4u |
| 08:53.43 | Legorol | and a god-like warrior will use Intervene in the current live game ;-) |
| 08:53.53 | Mikk | Legorol: Belatedly... i meant to tell you that I did the 1.12 global function list scan, but I didn't include any FrameXML changes |
| 08:53.56 | Mikk | Dunno how important that is, tbh... |
| 08:54.08 | Legorol | oh shoot, i forgot about that page :D |
| 08:54.10 | Legorol | lol |
| 08:54.11 | Mikk | haha |
| 08:54.22 | Legorol | shall i update it or have you already? |
| 08:54.27 | Mikk | I did quite a while ago. |
| 08:54.32 | Mikk | Feel free to run YOUR scanner too, though. |
| 08:54.34 | Mikk | In case I missed something. |
| 08:54.55 | Legorol | ok i'll go check. so i still need to change the Lua section,right? |
| 08:55.01 | Legorol | sorry bout that |
| 08:55.08 | Mikk | haha no problems =) |
| 08:55.12 | Legorol | although i do't think anyone ever reads that page |
| 08:55.31 | Legorol | every time a new patch comes out, i hvae a set routing |
| 08:55.36 | Legorol | *s/routing/routine/ |
| 08:55.49 | Legorol | but this time it got interrupted by holidya |
| 08:55.51 | Mikk | "This page has been accessed 14,291 times." |
| 08:57.12 | Mikk | On a sidenote, I looked at function addresses rather than naming schemes to find good candidates. |
| 08:57.16 | Mikk | Seems to have worked out fairly well. |
| 08:57.18 | Tem | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:57.23 | Tem | widget* |
| 08:57.44 | Mikk | Tem: Of course. The global function list is not really a reference. It's an editor resource. |
| 08:58.09 | Tem | and the normal api list has 160k views |
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| 09:07.59 | Legorol | Mikk: i use function addresses as well as strings from WoW.exe, and correlate the two approach |
| 09:08.05 | Legorol | so far it's always been a 100% match |
| 09:08.45 | |FF|Im2good4u | running thins on wow.exe is teh cheat ! |
| 09:09.03 | Legorol | the tricky one was when they added UnitInParty to FrameXML briefly in 1.11, but my scripts caught that and flagged it as well |
| 09:09.16 | Legorol | UnitInParty existed both as an API and as a Lua defined function |
| 09:09.40 | |FF|Im2good4u | oO.. oke |
| 09:09.56 | |FF|Im2good4u | so basdicly im always callig the function instead :P |
| 09:10.32 | Legorol | sorry i don't understand that |
| 09:10.49 | Legorol | Mikk: could you boldize the FrameXML section? |
| 09:10.59 | Corrodias | kinda feel like i accomplished a big fat nothing today in AV |
| 09:11.31 | Corrodias | in our last game, all but about 9 people were on defense. you can imagine how that went. but the game before that, we experimented with having all but 3 on offense. THAT sure went well. :P |
| 09:11.54 | Corrodias | at least it was quicker |
| 09:12.37 | Corrodias | usually you practically have to snare people to get anyone on D |
| 09:15.50 | AnduinLothar | i like late game d |
| 09:15.53 | AnduinLothar | more c |
| 09:15.55 | AnduinLothar | more cp |
| 09:16.24 | Legorol | hm, Intervene looks less useful than it first did, now that I read it second time |
| 09:16.50 | Legorol | sounds like if it's a ranged opponent, i end up at the friendly unit rather than the opponent |
| 09:16.59 | Legorol | kind of silly since i'd have to taunt the opponent |
| 09:18.10 | AnduinLothar | yay Wardrobe converted to WearMe |
| 09:19.13 | AnduinLothar | well, mostly |
| 09:21.52 | Legorol | i'm just reading up on BC talents.. |
| 09:21.57 | Legorol | Endless Rage is zomg |
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| 09:32.24 | Mikk | Legorol: Will do |
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| 09:48.45 | Legorol | How do you check if target is on MT list of CTRA? |
| 09:50.16 | Mikma | use oRA2 |
| 09:50.33 | Legorol | that doesn't answer my question ;-) |
| 09:50.46 | ckknight__ | it solves the problem, merely. |
| 09:51.02 | Legorol | it doesn't, i need a scripted way to check if target is on MT list, when using CTRA |
| 09:51.12 | Legorol | the reason it doesn't solve the problem is that this is for a macro for someone else |
| 09:51.17 | Legorol | and i won't make other people switch addons |
| 09:51.57 | ckknight | *shrug* |
| 09:53.54 | ckknight | "Sorry, I don't know how to with CTRA. If you were to use oRA2, though..." |
| 09:54.04 | ckknight | ah, I'm done |
| 09:54.13 | Legorol | ok, that's a much better answer |
| 09:54.17 | Legorol | thank you :) |
| 09:56.21 | ckknight | down with homework, up with skirts. |
| 10:08.30 | nevcairiel | so if i wanted to add a right-click menu to any frame, would i do that with tablet? |
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| 10:47.40 | Mikma | warla: hey, how's the web-profile going on? |
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| 10:48.23 | JoshBorke | back so soon clad? was your vacation good? |
| 10:57.32 | warla | Mikma fine fine :-) |
| 10:57.43 | Mikma | warla: when can we beta-test it? :D |
| 10:57.44 | warla | right now i'm working on a nice thingy that shows the missing recipes |
| 10:57.59 | warla | it'll soon be ready for beta testing |
| 10:58.08 | warla | this week i'll implement warlock / hunter pets |
| 10:58.13 | warla | then its basically done |
| 10:58.18 | Mikma | i hope you're doing an addon that extracts the info to .lua and you can import it to web ;) |
| 10:58.20 | warla | r |
| 10:58.39 | warla | = needs to be tested for as many chars as possible to see if it'll cover anything |
| 10:58.45 | warla | ya |
| 10:58.51 | warla | i did the addon that extracts the stuff |
| 10:58.57 | warla | but i suck at lua |
| 10:59.01 | warla | the addon still sucks ^^ |
| 11:00.32 | Mikma | aww :P well i'm looking forward on testing it anyway since i wan't my char online asap :D |
| 11:00.35 | warla | addon looks like this at the moment: |
| 11:00.52 | warla | http://www.wowledgebase.com/mod_screenshot.jpg |
| 11:01.08 | Mikma | more than neat |
| 11:01.21 | warla | but i wanna make it more "fools" proof |
| 11:01.24 | warla | my idea is this: |
| 11:01.32 | warla | have no events registered at start |
| 11:01.41 | warla | then when someone wants to snapshot their char |
| 11:01.49 | Mikma | well use ace2 |
| 11:01.54 | warla | first event i'll register is the open spellbook one |
| 11:01.57 | Mikma | then there's no need to register events :D |
| 11:02.12 | warla | so a line appears "please open spellbook" |
| 11:02.25 | warla | once he did that the line switches to spellbooks scanned |
| 11:02.33 | warla | and it asks you to lets say open mailbox e.t.c |
| 11:02.38 | Mikma | clad|work: ! |
| 11:02.42 | Mikma | clad|work: fix SVN! |
| 11:02.52 | clad|work | ... |
| 11:02.58 | Mikma | commits are stuck |
| 11:03.04 | JoshBorke | bye clad|work, good luck today at work :) |
| 11:03.18 | warla | whats ace2? |
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| 11:03.30 | Mikk | something you don't need to worry about if you're not a coder |
| 11:03.40 | warla | ? |
| 11:03.47 | Mikk | it's an embeddable library |
| 11:03.47 | JoshBorke | it's a bad bad thing |
| 11:03.50 | JoshBorke | :) |
| 11:03.50 | Mikk | lol |
| 11:03.51 | Mikk | no |
| 11:03.55 | JoshBorke | lol |
| 11:04.13 | JoshBorke | mikk, your stupid etch-a-sketch leaves a big window over my entire UI :( how do i close that? |
| 11:04.21 | Mikma | ./whois JoshBorke .. ;D |
| 11:04.23 | Mikk | don't load it? =) |
| 11:04.28 | Mikk | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:04.51 | Mikk | (it's kinda alpha ya know :-P) |
| 11:05.03 | JoshBorke | i'm just kidding about Ace2 btw. while i don't prescribe whole-heartedly to the Ace 'doctrine', I do follow the same ideals of good coding practices |
| 11:05.29 | Mikk | warla: http://www.wowace.com/index.php/Ace2 |
| 11:05.31 | warla | yea i do need coding practise on lua |
| 11:05.42 | warla | i basically did the addon by staring at wowwiki pages for hours |
| 11:06.07 | Mikk | That's how we all started =) |
| 11:06.12 | warla | and made like a bazillioon /console reloadui in game... to check if the function i used does what i need lol |
| 11:06.59 | AnduinLothar | mmm i started by modifying other people's code.. |
| 11:07.11 | AnduinLothar | but that's cause the wiwki didn't exist :P |
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| 11:11.24 | clad|work | Mikma: Yes, I know that commits are stuck |
| 11:11.38 | clad|work | but does my nick say clad|i'mheretocatertoyoureveryneed, or clad|work? |
| 11:11.44 | Mikma | clad|work: can you use a ball to open the tubes |
| 11:12.01 | clad|work | commit the addon to sandbox, it seems to be working |
| 11:12.05 | Mikma | clad|work: no, your nick says you are work and my eyes see that you are in irc :D |
| 11:12.06 | clad|work | or *gasp* just release the damn addon |
| 11:13.18 | clad|work | Bye |
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| 11:18.28 | warla | for the missing recipes i'll created a file based on allakhazam list (i removed the bogus stuff) |
| 11:18.30 | warla | http://www.wowledgebase.com/tradeskills.xml |
| 11:20.36 | JoshBorke | ~whalehug clad|work |
| 11:20.37 | purl | ACTION Persuades a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh to hug clad|work |
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| 11:33.02 | warla | its so annoying how crappy my realm is |
| 11:33.13 | warla | paying 15 bucks a month and blizzard uses that embarassing crap |
| 11:34.36 | JoshBorke | transfer to another realm? |
| 11:35.03 | warla | i honestly dont know of the other realms are better... its blizzard after all |
| 11:35.13 | Amro | crappy how? |
| 11:35.22 | warla | then i pay 25 bucks for a transger just to end up on a realm that blows as much as the one i was |
| 11:35.25 | warla | with as much lag |
| 11:35.30 | Amro | oh |
| 11:35.36 | warla | we die almost every boss because of lag |
| 11:35.41 | warla | example: |
| 11:35.43 | Amro | :( |
| 11:35.43 | warla | fankriss |
| 11:35.44 | warla | 16% |
| 11:35.49 | warla | everyone alife |
| 11:35.53 | warla | all at almost full mana |
| 11:35.55 | warla | 20 seclag |
| 11:35.58 | warla | all dead |
| 11:36.00 | warla | gg |
| 11:36.04 | warla | 20 mins wasted |
| 11:36.07 | warla | next try... |
| 11:36.23 | Amro | your server didn't get hardware upgrades? |
| 11:36.28 | warla | we never got |
| 11:36.36 | warla | Dragonmaw is one of the oldest realms... |
| 11:36.41 | warla | and we never got any uphrade |
| 11:36.48 | warla | every week after every maintenance it got worse |
| 11:36.54 | Kirkburn | I'm sure it'll be coming |
| 11:36.58 | Amro | hang in there |
| 11:37.13 | Amro | the realms that got upgrades are waaay better now |
| 11:39.26 | JoshBorke | heh, Stormreaver got an upgrade and it was night and day difference |
| 11:40.03 | JoshBorke | and I think it was only a temporary upgrade. we just went down again for 36 hours for another real upgrade... |
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| 11:40.16 | Amro | can a name be used as a UnitID? |
| 11:40.17 | warla | http://www.wowledgebase.com/?id=6 <-- thats my mule for world pvp |
| 11:40.24 | Amro | for UnitIsTappedByPlayer() |
| 11:40.36 | JoshBorke | Amro: no |
| 11:41.03 | Amro | so there's no way to get any info about an untargeted mob? |
| 11:41.13 | JoshBorke | correct |
| 11:41.27 | Amro | darn |
| 11:41.53 | JoshBorke | you might be able to do: TargetByName(<name>), PLAYER_TARGET_CHANGED <get info here>, TargetLastTarget() |
| 11:41.55 | warla | whys that? so warlocks cannt do a macro that targets the next non dotted mob and dot it? |
| 11:42.16 | JoshBorke | dunno, that's just the way it is |
| 11:42.34 | warla | what i truly hate are the lousy mail functions |
| 11:42.34 | Kirkburn | Awesome, just seen this confirmed: "In the Burning Crusade collector's edition, Blizzard has asked for some very specific TCG items, including 2 starter decks, a full-size color rulebook and 3 foil promo cards (which will be released in a future set in non-foil version)." |
| 11:42.45 | warla | there is NO WAY to get the item id of a mail attachment |
| 11:42.52 | warla | = gg blizz |
| 11:43.01 | Amro | that's good enough, thanks JoshBorke |
| 11:43.24 | Amro | kirkburn: is it gonna be same price as wow ce? |
| 11:43.41 | Kirkburn | No idea of pricing, sorry :/ |
| 11:43.53 | Kirkburn | My guess would be slightly less |
| 11:44.11 | Kirkburn | Probably something like the same price as the normal WoW edition |
| 11:44.21 | Amro | that would be awesome |
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| 12:17.46 | Mikma | mmkays. So i wan't to zip my addon in linux commandprompt, but i don't wan't the .svn folder to be included. how can i drop it off? -x didn't work for some reason |
| 12:18.45 | zenzelezz | did it give any indication why the -x didn't work? |
| 12:19.34 | Mikma | nope, it just zips the folders in without saying anything |
| 12:19.49 | Mikma | i tried something like zip -r foo.zip bar -x .svn |
| 12:19.54 | Mikma | and -x /.svn |
| 12:20.14 | JoshBorke | you need zip -r foo.zip bar -x .svn\* |
| 12:20.19 | JoshBorke | you need zip -r foo.zip bar -x .svn\\* |
| 12:20.22 | JoshBorke | blah |
| 12:20.31 | JoshBorke | you need to exclude .svn/* |
| 12:20.50 | Mikma | nope, same thing, they go inside the zip |
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| 12:28.29 | wereHamster | zip -r foo foo -x \*.o |
| 12:29.08 | wereHamster | exclusion is performed only on files, not on directories.. :( |
| 12:30.04 | Mikma | crap, that makes it much harder |
| 12:30.07 | JoshBorke | you can do it |
| 12:30.17 | JoshBorke | zip -r HealWatch.zip HealWatch -x \*.svn/\* |
| 12:30.32 | Mikma | best what i can think of is to svn checkout the addon and then delete the folder after that :P |
| 12:30.51 | krka | Mikma: use svn export to another dir |
| 12:30.54 | krka | and zip that directory |
| 12:31.55 | Mikma | krka: mm |
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| 12:32.56 | Mikma | that might work, let's try that one |
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| 12:34.25 | krka | might work? most definitely works |
| 12:34.48 | JoshBorke | mine works too! |
| 12:34.50 | JoshBorke | ya jerks :-( |
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| 12:36.37 | Mikma | i'll try both ways and let you know :D |
| 12:37.34 | JoshBorke | hrm, anyone know of a mod similar to this idea: in game guild knowledgebase containing stuff like strategies for bosses. |
| 12:37.54 | Kirkburn | God I hate when people come onto the wiki and hve absolutely no idea how to do it, but proceed to make several new pages which look, to all intents and purposes, shite. |
| 12:38.02 | Mikma | JoshBorke: you are right, your way does work |
| 12:39.01 | zenzelezz | Kirkburn: don't worry, you'll get the hang of it soon! |
| 12:39.09 | Kirkburn | ~lart zenzelezz |
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| 12:54.39 | zenzelezz | so what did they actually post? |
| 12:55.35 | [Wobin] | JB: how would you get the info? |
| 12:55.52 | [Wobin] | Actually, has anyone written an xml parser? |
| 12:56.16 | [Wobin] | hm, can we do that? |
| 12:56.19 | krka | i have |
| 12:57.00 | krka | http://lua-users.org/wiki/LuaXml |
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| 12:59.55 | JoshBorke | Wobin: right now i'm thinking all the information would be generated in-game |
| 13:00.11 | Wobin | 0.0 |
| 13:00.15 | Wobin | howso? |
| 13:00.22 | Wobin | for strategies? |
| 13:00.36 | JoshBorke | free-form text-box that is synced between everyone |
| 13:01.02 | Wobin | hm |
| 13:01.08 | Wobin | like a shared whiteboard? |
| 13:01.16 | JoshBorke | something like that, yea |
| 13:01.25 | JoshBorke | it's quite an ambitious project for me |
| 13:01.27 | JoshBorke | wanna do it? ^_^ |
| 13:02.17 | Mikma | yes he want's |
| 13:02.33 | AnduinLothar | just modify notepad to send to raid instead of just whispers |
| 13:05.22 | JoshBorke | more than just a single time though. an in-game repository of information so someone can review the strategy for all bosses in different instances |
| 13:05.49 | JoshBorke | btw, what notepad mod? |
| 13:06.18 | AnduinLothar | Cosmos has a Notepad addon that you can send pages to other players |
| 13:07.01 | JoshBorke | where's the Cosmos_Linux package?! |
| 13:07.21 | AnduinLothar | where's the wow linux package? |
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| 13:08.10 | malreth | they're playing David Bowie at this cafe today |
| 13:08.41 | JoshBorke | so much polution of the global namespace! ;-) |
| 13:08.56 | AnduinLothar | i didn't write it |
| 13:09.14 | AnduinLothar | feel free to rewrite it. it's been around since beta |
| 13:10.17 | AnduinLothar | in those carefree days when no one cared about gc or namespace polution |
| 13:10.52 | malreth | ziggy played guitarrrrrrrrrr~~~... |
| 13:13.05 | Cide | "pollution" of the global namespace is in practice only pollution if it clashes with something else |
| 13:14.10 | Cide | and most addons, if they don't use tables, use semi-namespaces :) |
| 13:14.33 | JoshBorke | enough of you and your smart talk you! back to CTRA2 *whip* |
| 13:15.09 | Cide | I'll just stop working on it, then...! |
| 13:15.19 | Mikma | *whip* more |
| 13:15.28 | JoshBorke | ~whaleslap Cide |
| 13:15.30 | purl | ACTION beats Cide upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
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| 13:31.25 | Nomad_Wanderer | Can someone answer a chat question? |
| 13:31.46 | Kirkburn | Depends on what it is :) |
| 13:31.47 | JoshBorke | which chat question? perhaps we missed it? |
| 13:32.01 | zenzelezz | I preferred the old EU realm-forum listing, where Silvermoon was right at the top x.x |
| 13:32.31 | Nomad_Wanderer | :P I haven't asked it yet.. I wasn't sure if anyone was awake |
| 13:33.05 | Nomad_Wanderer | I would like to have a window that's dedicated to just chatting.. Channels, creature says, etc. and a window that is dedicated to system messages Loot, xp gain, mod messages, etc. |
| 13:33.30 | Nomad_Wanderer | It seems like the general window (main chat window) has text going to it that is not listed in the right click dropdown.. is that true? |
| 13:33.49 | zenzelezz | addons are notorious for defaulting text to General |
| 13:34.14 | Nomad_Wanderer | Yeah.. But wow too I think. |
| 13:34.20 | Nomad_Wanderer | like /played |
| 13:36.27 | Nomad_Wanderer | Is the dropdown text entry box attached to that "main" window too? I.e. you can't attach it to a window you create? |
| 13:37.20 | zenzelezz | I'm not certain, but I've seen screenshots where people have it floating far away from other (visible) chat windows, so probably possible to move |
| 13:37.50 | Nomad_Wanderer | Does that require visor or some other addon? |
| 13:37.55 | Nomad_Wanderer | probably.. |
| 13:38.18 | zenzelezz | some sort of addon, yes... which one I don't know, probably several possible ones |
| 13:38.56 | Nomad_Wanderer | I dunno .. it doesn't seem that what I'm asking is that strange.. I'm really trying to get a "Console" window, and a "Chat" window.... |
| 13:39.04 | Nomad_Wanderer | I'll keep looking... |
| 13:39.27 | malreth | it's possible |
| 13:39.28 | malreth | what you're searching for |
| 13:39.55 | malreth | you just have to know where to look |
| 13:40.15 | malreth | seek and you will find. find what you seek |
| 13:40.30 | JoshBorke | lol malreth |
| 13:40.42 | Nomad_Wanderer | let me guess.. you guys all have your console-ish messages just mixed into your chat messages :p |
| 13:40.49 | JoshBorke | the reason addons go to the main chat tab is because it is set as DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME (for the most part) |
| 13:40.54 | malreth | one sec... |
| 13:41.02 | JoshBorke | Nomad_Wanderer: i just don't have chat frames ;-) |
| 13:41.26 | Nomad_Wanderer | So what I guess I need to find then is an addon that unhooks the text entry from the defaul_chat_Frame? |
| 13:41.50 | malreth | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:42.06 | malreth | s/"SYSTEM)/"SYSTEM") |
| 13:42.20 | Nomad_Wanderer | Your purl powers don't work here boy. |
| 13:42.22 | malreth | forgot a closing quote there |
| 13:42.25 | Nomad_Wanderer | :) |
| 13:42.40 | malreth | s/forgot/i forgot/ |
| 13:42.46 | Nomad_Wanderer | ouch. I guess they do |
| 13:42.50 | malreth | :D |
| 13:43.25 | malreth | anyways, that will remove the system messages from your first chat frame |
| 13:43.51 | malreth | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:43.54 | Nomad_Wanderer | But as zenze mentioned most addons just sys out to the main window |
| 13:44.07 | malreth | you can't help that, really |
| 13:44.17 | Nomad_Wanderer | Wouldn't it be better to move the text box off the main window, and create a new window that is channels? |
| 13:44.23 | malreth | you could reassign the DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME variable to another window, i suppose |
| 13:44.27 | Nomad_Wanderer | Icky. |
| 13:44.40 | malreth | the editbox only attaches itself to the first chat window |
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| 13:45.09 | malreth | hmm... |
| 13:45.26 | cogwheel | ~emulate cogwheel |
| 13:45.27 | purl | ACTION shakes 42 sperm whales at the forums. >:( |
| 13:45.39 | malreth | i suppose I could write an addon that hooks AddMessage and assigns messages with nil IDs to a new group called "ADDONS" |
| 13:45.55 | Nomad_Wanderer | nah... I just need to find something that lets me move the edit box... |
| 13:45.55 | malreth | then you could move all addon messages to another chat frame easily |
| 13:46.25 | malreth | whatever floats, man |
| 13:46.27 | JoshBorke | visor does, vchat i think so too |
| 13:46.38 | Nomad_Wanderer | Visor solves world hunger. |
| 13:47.30 | Nomad_Wanderer | Just seems alot to get a little .... I'm going to try looking for an addon that just allows a floating chat editbox first. |
| 13:47.30 | cogwheel | someone posted a simple macro on the forums for moving the edit box.... too bad they're down and the text search is disabled :( |
| 13:47.34 | cogwheel | ~emulate cogwheel |
| 13:47.35 | purl | ACTION shakes 42 sperm whales at the forums. >:( |
| 13:48.05 | Nomad_Wanderer | Macro... Yeah visor would be overkill imo |
| 13:48.09 | Nomad_Wanderer | ~emulate Nomad_Wanderer |
| 13:48.13 | Nomad_Wanderer | hehehe |
| 13:48.20 | Nomad_Wanderer | ~botsnack |
| 13:48.20 | purl | aw, gee, Nomad_Wanderer |
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| 13:48.33 | cogwheel | gotta program it :) |
| 13:49.15 | cogwheel | type something like ~emulate Nomad_Wanderer is <action>tries to get purl to emulate him but fails |
| 13:50.07 | Nomad_Wanderer | How about channel joins/leaves? |
| 13:50.17 | Nomad_Wanderer | is there a way to turn those off? |
| 13:50.34 | cogwheel | the messages or the actual joining? |
| 13:50.44 | Nomad_Wanderer | the messages.. |
| 13:50.47 | malreth | Look through FrameXML/ChatFrame.lua |
| 13:50.58 | malreth | you'll see all the message groups that are in the game |
| 13:50.59 | zenzelezz | the "joined channel" message goes to every frame they're assigned to, not to any they're not assigned to |
| 13:51.02 | Laric | is the svn working as intended? I cannot commit for some reason |
| 13:51.15 | malreth | you can add/remove groups as you wish using the two script commands i mentioned previously |
| 13:51.17 | JoshBorke | wowi doesn't have a SVN |
| 13:51.28 | cogwheel | might ask in #wowace |
| 13:51.32 | Kirkburn | The Ace SVN doesn't seem to be updated since last night |
| 13:51.32 | Nomad_Wanderer | hehehe |
| 13:51.44 | Laric | oops :P |
| 13:51.48 | cogwheel | JoshBorke: Isn't wowace hosted by WowI though? |
| 13:51.49 | Laric | wrong chan |
| 13:51.57 | malreth | yeah! |
| 13:52.08 | JoshBorke | wowace.com is, but the Ace SVN server is not |
| 13:52.14 | cogwheel | oic |
| 13:52.24 | Kirkburn | Burn the heathen! |
| 13:52.38 | Kirkburn | wait .... Cook the heathen? |
| 13:53.26 | Nomad_Wanderer | aaarrrggghh.. The humanity. Found what I need in a google search.. of course the URL is: forums.worldofwarcraft.com/board.html;jsessionid=BA254A28E119C9DA8F06ABF2A2D7CE98?forumId=11114&sort=... |
| 13:53.34 | Nomad_Wanderer | Andthe forums are down :( |
| 13:53.44 | cogwheel | try looking at the cached version |
| 13:53.46 | Amro | try google cache |
| 13:53.49 | zenzelezz | isn't there a "Cached" link? |
| 13:53.52 | Amro | too slow |
| 13:53.53 | Nomad_Wanderer | no cache :( |
| 13:54.03 | cogwheel | not even on google? |
| 13:54.17 | Nomad_Wanderer | nope |
| 13:54.40 | malreth | that's because google only works for-- ooh! more David Bowie is playing! |
| 13:54.49 | Nomad_Wanderer | confab? |
| 13:55.09 | Nomad_Wanderer | He did just burn that guy |
| 13:56.08 | malreth | there ya go |
| 13:56.14 | Laric | :P |
| 13:57.39 | Wobin | ironic |
| 13:59.46 | malreth | my day feels so empty without the forums |
| 13:59.58 | malreth | what am I supposed to do at work without the forums? |
| 14:00.24 | cogwheel | you could get your wisdom teeth pulled and have three days off |
| 14:00.33 | malreth | already did that when I was in college |
| 14:00.34 | cogwheel | then your server goes down so you can't even play your main |
| 14:00.42 | malreth | ooh, that would bite! |
| 14:01.10 | malreth | the damn dog woke me up this morning to walk him |
| 14:01.20 | malreth | i'd be okay with that... but it was 5 am |
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| 14:01.50 | malreth | so i get up, grab the leash, call for him... |
| 14:01.55 | malreth | and he doesn't show up. |
| 14:02.08 | malreth | turns out the mutt went back to sleep |
| 14:02.41 | cogwheel | my dog did similar... but my wife can get back to sleap easier than me so she took him :) |
| 14:02.51 | cogwheel | 'course, i woke up anyway :( |
| 14:03.31 | cogwheel | mmmmmmmmmmmm vicodin.... |
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| 14:03.36 | malreth | mmm... |
| 14:03.44 | malreth | ckknight: cog's takin drugs |
| 14:03.50 | malreth | we need an intervention |
| 14:04.04 | cogwheel | hey.... they're prescribed.... i have gaping holes in my jaw atm |
| 14:04.06 | cogwheel | :P |
| 14:04.19 | malreth | faith will remove your pain, son |
| 14:05.33 | malreth | i opted for the $200 extra sleepy sleepy stuff that makes you pass out for my wisdom teeth extraction |
| 14:05.40 | cogwheel | me too |
| 14:05.46 | cogwheel | i'm hungover from it atm |
| 14:05.59 | malreth | man! getting your wisdom teeth removed ROCKS! |
| 14:06.03 | malreth | it was awesome! |
| 14:06.15 | cogwheel | yeah... they gave me laughing gas to make the IV easier |
| 14:06.29 | Wobin | There is no way I wanted the four tooth extraction under local =P |
| 14:06.31 | cogwheel | then once that wore off i woke up and it was over |
| 14:06.51 | malreth | apparently, while I was under the influence, I ran in front of a car, and was attacked by cats |
| 14:06.51 | Mikma | gas.. i wish they could use that here |
| 14:07.03 | malreth | well, not really ran.. more like stumble |
| 14:07.03 | Wobin | malreth: Perhaps it was catnip gas |
| 14:07.16 | malreth | freaked my mom out |
| 14:07.17 | Mikma | they just gave me a shot of some crap that made my mouth go senseless |
| 14:07.29 | Mikma | then they pulled the f*cker out :D |
| 14:07.49 | Wobin | Mine required surgery |
| 14:07.50 | malreth | and our cats somehow sensed that I was an easy target and attacked my legs when I got home. like it was totally freak! |
| 14:07.51 | Wobin | and hammering |
| 14:07.54 | Wobin | and cracking of teeth |
| 14:07.55 | cogwheel | mine were surgically removed |
| 14:08.06 | Wobin | I'm glad I was unconscoius |
| 14:08.29 | cogwheel | they were all impacted and one of them had come through so there was this big gap where food got caught and was impossible to brush... |
| 14:08.40 | malreth | When I woke up at home, I was drooling blood into a towel and I had bloody scratches on my legs. |
| 14:09.02 | malreth | cogwheel: same same here |
| 14:09.11 | Wobin | Cat: "The human is staggering around! Quick! We must strike while the iron is hot!" |
| 14:09.19 | malreth | Wobin: RIGHT! |
| 14:09.26 | malreth | cats are evil but cute |
| 14:09.28 | Wobin | Cat: "FOR FREEDOM!!!" |
| 14:10.13 | malreth | Cat: "FREEDOM!! Oooh, look. A feather." <attack> |
| 14:11.10 | cogwheel | my wife's were worse though... she has a really small jaw as it is and was getting terrible face pains. We took her to the emergency room one day it got so bad and they prescribed antibiotics thinking it was a sinus infection. It didn't stop. Then we went to the dentist and they said she needed a root canal. Still no good. Then we went to an ear/nose/throat specialist 'cause she was having... |
| 14:11.11 | cogwheel | ...tinnitis along with the pain, and they couldn't find anything wrong. Finally she got her wisdom teeth out. She was dazed and in lots of pain for about 3 days, but it finally went away for good |
| 14:11.17 | Wobin | I thought that was ferret.. they get distracted so eas...ooh. shiny... |
| 14:11.42 | Wobin | ow =( |
| 14:12.21 | cogwheel | but yeah... her jaw is so small the doctor literally had to bend it in order to work on her wisdoms |
| 14:13.06 | malreth | diabolical! |
| 14:13.30 | cogwheel | woot! ding > 100 favorites on curse ;) |
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| 14:14.27 | malreth | gratz |
| 14:15.00 | malreth | well, nice thing about Apple announcements... they keep me busy at work |
| 14:15.10 | Wobin | grats cog =) |
| 14:15.15 | Wobin | wow |
| 14:15.20 | Wobin | I so haven't checked curse for ages |
| 14:15.33 | malreth | they're back up, then |
| 14:16.16 | cogwheel | A lot of the international community uses Curse worldofwar & wowguru... For the addons i do that i want lots of exposure i go with all of 'em |
| 14:16.36 | cogwheel | i had volunteer translations for buyemall in german and chinese within a few days |
| 14:17.11 | Industrial | I dont want exposure :P The minute I made a thread for idChat2 on the ace forums it was 3 pages long of requests and the same bugreports :< |
| 14:17.30 | Industrial | lusers |
| 14:17.32 | Industrial | :p |
| 14:17.36 | cogwheel | feature requests will kill yeu |
| 14:17.41 | cogwheel | s/ye/yo/ |
| 14:17.51 | Industrial | yeah |
| 14:17.58 | Industrial | 'does it make blueberry wafflez?' |
| 14:18.09 | malreth | how do you find out how many favorites you have on CG? I set mine to display 100 per page and I still have 3 pages worth |
| 14:18.23 | cogwheel | go to your addon's site |
| 14:18.35 | cogwheel | it says in the main header area |
| 14:18.53 | malreth | I guess I should upload something to CG then... :p |
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| 14:18.57 | cogwheel | under the author, rating, etc |
| 14:19.10 | cogwheel | the other thing i really like about CG is that it tells you how many downloads each release has had |
| 14:20.20 | KevICG | Industrial: well... does it make wafflez? |
| 14:20.46 | KevICG | everybody likes wafflez |
| 14:20.53 | cogwheel | considering how many people asked to have my babies, i'm pretty sure BuyEmAll does... though it wasn't an intended feature |
| 14:20.57 | Mikk | whewt. first wetlands nubrun that didn't need any corpse running! |
| 14:21.08 | yacoob | everyone loves magical trevor, KevICG. |
| 14:21.41 | cogwheel | Mikk: Night elf? |
| 14:22.18 | Mikk | aye |
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| 14:22.40 | Mikk | i actually intended to stay in elphland with this one |
| 14:22.41 | malreth | There's a place you can swim south of Wetlands that's actually in Dun Morogh |
| 14:22.57 | Mikk | but i need to get to SW to train maces, and westfall for sealion shape |
| 14:23.00 | malreth | you then suicide from a high cliff and GY spawn in kharanos |
| 14:23.10 | Mikk | o.O |
| 14:23.19 | cogwheel | i never really could get into night elves... i'm a gnome/tauren fan myself |
| 14:23.19 | Kirkburn1 | hoi Mikk |
| 14:23.23 | Mikk | lo =) |
| 14:23.31 | KevICG | big and small eh? |
| 14:23.32 | Kirkburn1 | Would that be a NE I know of? :) |
| 14:23.33 | malreth | I figured it out for a contest my guild was having |
| 14:23.34 | cogwheel | though i have a dwarf or two for hunter/priest/pally |
| 14:23.42 | Mikk | Kirkburn: yeppers. trying to catch up =) |
| 14:24.01 | malreth | they were having a noobrun race from SW to IF |
| 14:24.28 | malreth | only requirement is you had to be LV 1 when you started and you could use no teleportation or summoning |
| 14:24.38 | Mikk | and not the deeprun tram obviously |
| 14:24.44 | malreth | they expected you to run through burning steppes... dying all the way |
| 14:25.18 | malreth | but I spent hours ahead of time finding the ideal spot to run to on the far west coast of the eastern continent |
| 14:25.40 | malreth | I could make the run in 20 minutes and only 1 death |
| 14:25.47 | cogwheel | had one of those on Shadowsong... 500g, 350g, and 150g rewards for 1st, 2nd, 3rd place :) |
| 14:25.52 | malreth | i was guaranteed to win |
| 14:25.58 | malreth | then they canceled the event |
| 14:26.18 | Mikk | !doh |
| 14:26.34 | malreth | so now I tell you all my secret |
| 14:26.46 | malreth | if there's another race of it's kind, you too can use that trick |
| 14:28.13 | Mikk | How's this one: drop off the bridge wetlands->arathi, swim all the way down the easter cost to just north of swamp of sorrows. then cliffhax up to the unfinished zone in the mountains :-P |
| 14:29.14 | Mikk | very not worth it though |
| 14:29.14 | Qzot | Hmm. I do believe someone is constantly monitoring herbs or my AH. |
| 14:29.21 | cogwheel | I make the occasional visit to the IF airport myself |
| 14:29.30 | Qzot | And snarfing up any high-end herbs that show up at moderate prices. |
| 14:29.31 | Mikk | that unfinished zone is waaaaay boring |
| 14:29.55 | Qzot | cogwheel: I thought you couldn't get to the airport after blizzard fixed wall walking. |
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| 14:30.15 | cogwheel | there's a way up there in loch modan right outside the north tunnel from Dun Morogh |
| 14:30.47 | malreth | woah! sweet. |
| 14:30.51 | cogwheel | it takes some trickyish jumping and it's easy to get lost, but it's doable |
| 14:31.13 | malreth | a chick walked up to me and gave me a gift card for 30 free songs from the itunes store |
| 14:31.19 | KevICG | what about that cave+dwelling near TB on the flight path from CR? |
| 14:31.26 | Qzot | I know about the jumping spot. After that it's a piece of cake. I haven't tried it since Blizz fixed the cliff walking. |
| 14:31.59 | Qzot | I actually prefer the mount summit, and the named troll cave to the airport, once you're past the jum. |
| 14:32.21 | malreth | ok... i see the limitations... it's an ACL fest/Apple promotion.. the 30 songs are preselected. you don't get a choice |
| 14:32.37 | cogwheel | if you get to the very top of ironforge and down a noggenfogger's (or you're a mage with some feathers) you can float all the way down to menethil :) |
| 14:33.07 | KevICG | malreth: oooh, maybe you'll get the new paris hilton song....(*gags convulsively*) |
| 14:33.15 | malreth | doubtful she's playing at ACL fest this year |
| 14:33.35 | KevICG | hopefully not :) |
| 14:33.46 | malreth | i think there'd be riots |
| 14:33.52 | malreth | and that's saying something for austin |
| 14:37.17 | malreth | very diverse selection of songs... no one i immediately recognize. i'm happy with that |
| 14:37.58 | Qzot | I wish there was a way to do in-game and conveniently what I currently do out of game. |
| 14:38.00 | malreth | ooh... wait, i recognize Stars... three songs from her |
| 14:38.10 | cogwheel | Qzot: O.o |
| 14:38.28 | malreth | ooh, 4... that makes me sticky in the pants |
| 14:38.40 | Qzot | Lol. All I'm doing is sloshing auctioneer data from one account to the other. |
| 14:38.44 | malreth | did i just say that out loud? |
| 14:39.27 | Qzot | Did I miss some way to construe that remark salaciously? |
| 14:39.39 | malreth | i read that enon was gonna be at ACL this year... no tracks from them, sadly |
| 14:39.56 | malreth | msg purl |
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| 14:41.01 | KevICG | qzot: you want to slosh data between accounts while in game? |
| 14:41.10 | TS|Skrom | good morning folks! |
| 14:41.43 | malreth | now THAT'S how you start the day! |
| 14:41.56 | Qzot | KeviCG: Yeah, preferably while only one account is logged in. No way to do it, tho. |
| 14:42.00 | yacoob | This wasn't milk. *g* |
| 14:42.15 | malreth | :blush: |
| 14:42.18 | TS|Skrom | yeah baby |
| 14:42.22 | KevICG | qzot: alas no, a perpetual thorn in my side, and I'm still a noob at modding |
| 14:42.32 | Qzot | I wish addons had a way of, for example, saying, "Oh, pick up my configuration from Foobs on this other account". |
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| 14:43.34 | TS|Skrom | cogwheel ?? |
| 14:43.53 | KevICG | has anybody written an import export tool for outside of game that'll sub account info but nothing else? |
| 14:44.01 | cogwheel | (wisdom teeth) |
| 14:44.05 | cogwheel | -4 int, +4sta |
| 14:44.14 | TS|Skrom | haha |
| 14:44.20 | Qzot | KeviCG: What do you mean? |
| 14:44.27 | malreth | ack... |
| 14:44.32 | cogwheel | plus i got Happy Pills for a quest reward |
| 14:44.45 | malreth | i probably shouldn't have replaced the rebuild image while two of the machines in the lab were rebuilding... |
| 14:44.49 | TS|Skrom | Real life through the eyes of wow... |
| 14:44.59 | Qzot | cogwheel: just be sure it's not a repeatable quests. those kinds of quests can become addicting. |
| 14:45.06 | KevICG | qzot: just a tool (outside of the game) that will take account info for say "Foob" and export it to an account named "Boof" subbing all references of one account for the other |
| 14:45.28 | malreth | KevICG: it's called sed |
| 14:45.33 | Qzot | KeviCG: I have something similar, but designed specifically for Auctioneer's data. |
| 14:45.38 | malreth | and it's on any unix/mac os machine |
| 14:45.52 | malreth | :) |
| 14:45.56 | KevICG | thppt! |
| 14:45.57 | cogwheel | or you could always write it in lua and use Lua.exe ;) |
| 14:46.09 | malreth | that would work, too |
| 14:46.14 | cogwheel | i even used CGILua to program my work's new webpage ;) |
| 14:46.33 | malreth | cogwheel: good idea! |
| 14:46.52 | KevICG | I'm thinking something a little more generic and user friendly, so that I can get my luddite guildies to do it too |
| 14:46.53 | malreth | leveraging your wow ui skills for profit |
| 14:47.09 | malreth | user friendly? you mean like a bash script? |
| 14:47.15 | cogwheel | it's great for parsing saved variables too... dofile(MyAddon.lua) and all your info is in the lua environment :) |
| 14:47.18 | KevICG | that's just wrong :P |
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| 14:47.44 | Qzot | I have a lua script which paws through one SV file for Auctioneer, looking for any references to, say, "Magtheridon-Alliance" in any node of the tree, and creates an output which would create that node in another tree if executed. So I can append that txt file to the end of a different auctioneer SV file to copy one server's data to another account. |
| 14:47.47 | cogwheel | s/(MyAddon.lua)/ "MyAddon.lua"/ |
| 14:48.29 | KevICG | the "wrong" bit was the bit about exposing luddites to bash |
| 14:49.15 | KevICG | may as well carry out inquisition style interrogations in farsi |
| 14:50.15 | Qzot | Ah. So they know Farsi. |
| 14:50.44 | KevICG | one never knows the secret and nefarious ways of the great farsi conspiracy |
| 14:51.51 | Qzot | Ugh. Don't ever search google for "twin towers". I can't believe the conspiracy theories which abound. |
| 14:52.17 | Wobin | they had a whole tv doco on sunday |
| 14:52.34 | Qzot | Um. Why are you guys searching, when I said not to? |
| 14:52.40 | cogwheel | Qzot: QFT.... The NIST actually came out with an FAQ to debunk many of the conspiracies... |
| 14:53.07 | Wobin | no no, I saw it on TV |
| 14:53.13 | KevICG | the problem is that folks that believe conspiracy theories rarely bother to go searching for faqs that disprove their crazy ideas |
| 14:53.36 | Qzot | Wobin: You're in the clear. As far as I can tell, you've only been searching for porn recently. |
| 14:53.44 | Wobin | woohoo |
| 14:53.52 | Wobin | lookit those 'twin towers' |
| 14:54.01 | Qzot | These other guys went right out and started searching for exactly what I told them not to search for. |
| 14:55.22 | TS|Skrom | hehe that's like when Kirkburn said the other day "Don't look at revision number 2, it's porn" and its hitcount went up by 30 in 5 seconds. |
| 14:57.02 | malreth | hey... that's not porn! |
| 14:58.10 | Nomad_Wanderer | is there a way to search old pastebins? I asked for help with a macor a while back, and lost the macro. |
| 14:58.30 | Nomad_Wanderer | it was a spam shadow word pain on this target if it doesnt have it, if had sw:p go on to next target. |
| 14:59.25 | cogwheel | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:59.33 | cogwheel | though you'll need the IsBuffActive addon |
| 15:00.21 | Nomad_Wanderer | I thought there was a way to detect it from the icon... I think I did it that way before.. Let me see if i have isBuffactive |
| 15:00.34 | KevICG | throw a check for polymorph on there or my wife's mage will devour your children |
| 15:00.48 | Nomad_Wanderer | That would be hot. |
| 15:01.17 | malreth | woo... latest girly guest comic is drawn by eisu |
| 15:01.21 | cogwheel | Cannibalize 4tw! |
| 15:01.46 | Nomad_Wanderer | hmm. I don't have isBuffactive, wowI? |
| 15:02.00 | cogwheel | i know it's on curse... dont know about wowi though |
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| 15:09.52 | Nomad_Wanderer | What is the debuff for polymorph? |
| 15:10.12 | cogwheel | should be "Polymorph" AFAIK |
| 15:12.25 | cogwheel | i'm not sure if it works properly on pigs and turtles though... |
| 15:12.32 | yacoob | "Baaaah!" |
| 15:13.29 | KevICG | sqeeee! |
| 15:13.54 | KevICG | ya, sheepwatch currently just checks for polymorph and it doesn't catch the pig/turtle either |
| 15:14.07 | yacoob | "ribit" debuff active. |
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| 15:15.22 | malreth | http://www.wowinsider.com/2006/09/11/warlock-jokes-are-the-funniest/ |
| 15:18.36 | Wobin | waah |
| 15:18.43 | Nomad_Wanderer | I know that sendChatMessage is how to send messages to other players either in a channel or in a whisper, what's a way to add an "addon console type message" |
| 15:18.57 | Wobin | I can't stop watching these damn Who's line is it anyway youtube videos |
| 15:19.18 | KevICG | I love it when they make up superheroes |
| 15:19.20 | cogwheel | 1.12 patch notes 4tw! |
| 15:19.30 | KevICG | the other day they had "giggling nipple tweaking man" |
| 15:19.32 | cogwheel | (@ Nomad_Wanderer ) |
| 15:20.19 | malreth | agreed... I recommend reading the patch notes, Nomad |
| 15:20.59 | malreth | ack! |
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| 15:21.14 | malreth | there's gonna be a CE version of the burning crusade expansion |
| 15:21.24 | malreth | i only preordered the normal edition |
| 15:21.40 | [RTE] | hey all |
| 15:21.50 | TS|Skrom | morning RTE |
| 15:21.53 | [RTE] | whats gona be in CE? did they say? |
| 15:22.16 | malreth | TCG items. "2 starter decks, a full-size color rulebook and 3 foil promo cards." |
| 15:22.40 | malreth | but it's been mentioned before that rare TCG cards will give you special items in the game |
| 15:23.02 | [RTE] | hmmm |
| 15:23.06 | [RTE] | interesting |
| 15:23.09 | malreth | now i gotta go cancel my preorder |
| 15:23.17 | malreth | and see if they can get the special edition |
| 15:23.43 | [RTE] | ebgames does not have CE |
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| 15:24.22 | [RTE] | nor does futureshop |
| 15:25.43 | [RTE] | doesn't look good |
| 15:26.06 | [RTE] | Adding two new playable races (Blood Elves for the Horde - Pretty! And an unknown race for the Alliance) as well as a new level cap, a whole new world (Outland) and flying mounts |
| 15:26.20 | [RTE] | hahahaha, good to know futureshop's web site is up to date lol |
| 15:27.09 | malreth | amazon doesn't mention anything about a CE version either |
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| 15:27.23 | [RTE] | where did you get info about CE? |
| 15:27.41 | malreth | worldofwar.net via wowinsider |
| 15:27.56 | malreth | i'm starting to doubt the validity of their statements, however |
| 15:27.56 | Maldivia | *yawn* morn |
| 15:27.57 | Kirkburn | And wowinsider via a link I posted earlier |
| 15:28.24 | Kirkburn | I thought I did anyway |
| 15:28.43 | Maldivia | malreth: hey, not fair! |
| 15:29.04 | malreth | Why not? Orange juice is good and good for you! |
| 15:29.37 | Maldivia | true |
| 15:29.38 | cogwheel | pyroblasting rabbits 4tw! |
| 15:29.48 | Maldivia | ... but I'm more in the mood for chocolate milk right now |
| 15:30.42 | malreth | "if you look at the things spam targets most, it is the things people are most concerned about: Sex, Porn and having a PC that is working well enough to download porn." |
| 15:30.53 | Maldivia | ohh, and what is "CE"? |
| 15:31.04 | Kirkburn | Collector's Edition |
| 15:31.08 | malreth | CE is Collector's Edition |
| 15:31.11 | Maldivia | ok |
| 15:31.21 | Maldivia | hate joining a channel in the middle of a conversation:) |
| 15:32.52 | cogwheel | hey, at least you didn't join right as i was sharing my vicodin usage ;) |
| 15:33.04 | cogwheel | might've thought i was a druggie or somethin ... |
| 15:33.10 | Nomad_Wanderer | hmmm. sendADdonMessage isn't what I want.. I just want to add some text to the default text window |
| 15:33.34 | malreth | Nomad_Wanderer: ChatFrame1:AddMessage("hello world") |
| 15:33.43 | Nomad_Wanderer | K.. thanks |
| 15:34.01 | malreth | or DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage |
| 15:34.05 | malreth | either one |
| 15:34.33 | Maldivia | cogwheel: you... nevah!... :) |
| 15:36.48 | cogwheel | Nomad_Wanderer, this makes life a bit easier: function print(...) local output for i,v in ipairs(arg) do output = output..(i > 1 and " " or "")..tostring(v) end DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(output) end |
| 15:36.56 | KevICG | slashdot is 503ing |
| 15:37.04 | Nomad_Wanderer | really? |
| 15:37.05 | KevICG | I don't believe I've ever seen that happen |
| 15:37.25 | Nomad_Wanderer | ./run if IsBuffActive("Shadow Word: Pain", "target") then TargetNearestEnemy(); DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("Nothing to cast") else if not IsBuffActive("Polymorph","target") then CastSpellByName "Shadow Word: Pain" end end |
| 15:37.34 | Nomad_Wanderer | That's what I have right now, and it works well. |
| 15:37.53 | KevICG | and my wife won't have to eat your children |
| 15:38.44 | malreth | Nomad_Wanderer: just be careful with usage since the ... argument will (in pre-BC wow) generate a new table every time the function is called |
| 15:38.45 | cogwheel | Nomad_Wanderer: Save a couple characters: use elseif instead of else if and you can get rid of one of the ends |
| 15:39.23 | Nomad_Wanderer | hmm. I am a 60 priest in gnomer right now spamming this macro as fast as I can .. is that bad performance wise? |
| 15:39.28 | malreth | a lot of sites seem to be down right now... |
| 15:39.32 | cogwheel | malreth, that's usually only an issue in OnUpdate or frequest Event handlers |
| 15:40.02 | cogwheel | Nomad_Wanderer: he's only referring to using the print() function i mentioned |
| 15:40.16 | malreth | yeah... as long as he's careful (as in sharp knife cutting tomatoes careful... not brain-surgery careful) he'll be fine |
| 15:40.32 | malreth | savvy? |
| 15:40.42 | KevICG | malreth: which argument will generate the table (have I mentioned I'm a noob at this)? |
| 15:41.39 | cogwheel | KevICG: the function print(...) stuff end |
| 15:41.45 | malreth | Lua 5.1 changes all of this but for now, if you have a function that takes a variable number of arguments using the ... expression, it will create a new table called arg every time the function is called |
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| 15:41.48 | cogwheel | it creates an "arg" table every time it's called |
| 15:42.14 | malreth | cogwheel: Wonder Twin powers activate! |
| 15:42.30 | malreth | Form of iterator |
| 15:42.33 | cogwheel | Go go Lua Rangers! |
| 15:43.34 | KevICG | malreth: gotcha. how bad is it to create tables from a performance standpoint? |
| 15:43.35 | malreth | in lua 5.1, we'll have direct access to the function argument stack so you can use ... with no such penalty |
| 15:43.43 | malreth | performance, nearly zero |
| 15:43.56 | malreth | but it does generate a tiny bit of garbage when the function ends |
| 15:44.04 | cogwheel | KevICG: as long as you're not doing a million every OnUpdate... the problem is garbage |
| 15:44.19 | KevICG | I take it garbage collection is a little pokey? |
| 15:44.28 | cogwheel | at least until BC and lua 5.1 |
| 15:44.30 | malreth | yeah, but we're not talking about that |
| 15:44.37 | malreth | it's like tossing a candy wrapper on the floor |
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| 15:44.40 | malreth | it's not much |
| 15:44.47 | cogwheel | not only will there be incremental collection, but varargs will no longer generate a table |
| 15:44.47 | malreth | doesn't hinder much on its own |
| 15:44.50 | KevICG | unless you do it a million times |
| 15:44.57 | malreth | KevICG: correct |
| 15:45.02 | malreth | then you have to shovel out all those candy wrappers |
| 15:45.16 | malreth | then your room is clean and you start tossing candy wrappers on the floor again |
| 15:45.18 | KevICG | how does one shovel out the candy wrappers without resetting the UI? |
| 15:45.25 | malreth | the garbage collector does that |
| 15:45.30 | malreth | you don't have to worry about it |
| 15:45.35 | cogwheel | the lua collector does that when the garbage gets too much for it |
| 15:45.35 | malreth | happens automatically |
| 15:45.50 | cogwheel | but it happens all at once right now which can cause stuttering if you're too messy |
| 15:45.59 | KevICG | so you're fine so long as you don't accumulate too fast |
| 15:46.03 | cogwheel | yep |
| 15:46.29 | KevICG | fair nuff |
| 15:46.30 | malreth | right... like if you're tossing car chassises (sp??) on the floor |
| 15:46.42 | cogwheel | if you get a performance-monitoring addon, they usually show how fast your memory usage is increasing and how close you are to the next garbage collection |
| 15:46.43 | malreth | or old refrigerators in the room |
| 15:47.05 | cogwheel | I've shockingly got mine under 1kb/sec |
| 15:47.24 | malreth | i'm finally down to that rate too |
| 15:47.36 | cogwheel | Ace 4tw! :) |
| 15:47.40 | malreth | wewt! |
| 15:47.54 | KevICG | besides mass tabling is there anything else that triggers it? |
| 15:48.09 | malreth | KevICG: creating lots of closures... anonymous functions |
| 15:48.40 | malreth | someVariable = function () --[[do something]] end creates a bit of garbage |
| 15:48.44 | cogwheel | i.e. many of the features that make lua so elegant |
| 15:49.06 | malreth | creating lots of one-time use strings does it too |
| 15:50.00 | malreth | and since lua strings are immutable, anytime you use the string functions, you're essentially creating a new string |
| 15:50.11 | malreth | but again, they're just tiny candy wrappers |
| 15:50.33 | malreth | and if you only toss one candy wrapper on the floor a day, it's not a problem |
| 15:50.52 | cogwheel | strings are more like halloween candy wrappers compared to tables |
| 15:50.55 | malreth | yeah |
| 15:50.57 | malreth | tiny |
| 15:51.14 | malreth | closures are actually smaller than tables, IIRC |
| 15:51.49 | KevICG | I get the string bit, but I'm foggy on the closures. you mean just the overhead of calling a function? |
| 15:52.00 | cogwheel | no.... |
| 15:52.01 | malreth | not the overhead of calling one... creating one |
| 15:52.32 | malreth | you can create functions at any time in lua |
| 15:52.41 | malreth | they're like any other variable or piece of data |
| 15:52.57 | cogwheel | say you do something like : function CreateCounter() local i=0 return function() i = i + 1 return i end end |
| 15:52.59 | malreth | it a very powerful feature in a language |
| 15:53.14 | cogwheel | anytime you call CreateCounter, it makes a brand new function with access to the local i |
| 15:53.31 | cogwheel | c1 = CreateCounter() c2 = CreateCounter() |
| 15:53.45 | cogwheel | print(c1, c1, c2) -> "1 2 1" |
| 15:53.49 | KevICG | ah, gotcha. my strict C upbringing would probably constrain me from using that much. The Ansi C cult kidnapped me as a child and their nuns would beat me anytime I tried anything fancy like that. |
| 15:54.02 | Nomad_Wanderer | 2 Warlocks no SS!!!@!#@!#!@$!@ |
| 15:54.06 | malreth | yeah, it's not something you'd be used to from a C standpoint |
| 15:54.13 | Nomad_Wanderer | I used that macro, and pulled like half of gnomer |
| 15:54.41 | Nomad_Wanderer | 2 warlocks in my group, an neither thought to soulstone the priest |
| 15:54.44 | malreth | Nomad_Wanderer: bwah ha ha! |
| 15:55.14 | Nomad_Wanderer | <--- level 60 priestrunning back to gnomer |
| 15:55.19 | malreth | hahaha! |
| 15:55.23 | Maldivia | cogwheel: you mean, print(c1(), c1(), c2()) , right ? |
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| 15:55.27 | cogwheel | yep |
| 15:55.29 | KevICG | try that some time in the dark iron area |
| 15:55.34 | cogwheel | it's the vicodin talking ;) |
| 15:55.41 | KevICG | I create a macro just to target those freaking mines |
| 15:55.53 | KevICG | created* |
| 15:55.54 | Maldivia | hehe |
| 15:56.02 | Maldivia | have some orange juice :) |
| 15:56.51 | cogwheel | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:57.02 | cogwheel | i find that to be one of the best targetting macros i've ever used |
| 15:57.37 | cogwheel | cycles through 20 nearest enemies, stops at first name you're looking for. if it doesn't find anything, clears your target |
| 15:58.20 | Maldivia | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:58.20 | Maldivia | ? |
| 15:58.24 | Maldivia | By* |
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| 15:58.50 | Maldivia | TargetByName even |
| 15:58.51 | cogwheel | Maldivia: I've had some strange experiences with that one... |
| 15:59.18 | Maldivia | hmm, ok |
| 15:59.32 | cogwheel | been a while since i used it though... i'll have to try it again one of these days |
| 16:00.04 | malreth | TargetByName takes a second argument now, right? |
| 16:00.14 | malreth | you can make it find only your exact target name |
| 16:00.33 | cogwheel | malreth: i think that's what Maldivia just mentioned |
| 16:00.58 | malreth | cogwheel: you really need to get off the meds... they're making you loopy |
| 16:00.59 | Maldivia | yeah |
| 16:01.13 | malreth | you're making up facts and believing half-truths and lies |
| 16:01.26 | cogwheel | But my cat just told me what to type |
| 16:01.27 | malreth | Maldivia isn't even in the channel |
| 16:01.38 | cogwheel | Can't you see him? |
| 16:01.47 | JoshBorke | sorry cogwheel, you're the only one |
| 16:02.02 | cogwheel | XD |
| 16:02.18 | KevICG | this is just a dream tarrence (TICK TOCK TICK TOCK) |
| 16:02.20 | Maldivia | hehe |
| 16:04.18 | Maldivia | *rolls thumbs* |
| 16:05.56 | Maldivia | hmm, so neither the US nor the EU forums are working right now? |
| 16:07.13 | *** join/#wowi-lounge tyroney (n=tyroney@66.239.241.162.ptr.us.xo.net) |
| 16:07.32 | cogwheel | hopefully they're doing the upgrades they were telling us about |
| 16:07.51 | cogwheel | i'm sick of no text search and "Server Busy" every other page load |
| 16:08.07 | tyroney | I'm tired of "The connection has timed out" |
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| 16:08.55 | Maldivia | The server at forums.worldofwarcraft.com is taking too long to respond. |
| 16:10.53 | tyroney | ~emulate tyroney |
| 16:10.54 | purl | ACTION stares blankly |
| 16:10.59 | cogwheel | ~emulate cogwheel |
| 16:11.01 | purl | ACTION shakes 42 sperm whales at the forums. >:( |
| 16:11.01 | tyroney | ~botslap |
| 16:11.02 | purl | OUCH! That hurt, tyroney! |
| 16:11.19 | Nomad_Wanderer | ~botsnack |
| 16:11.19 | purl | Nomad_Wanderer: :) |
| 16:12.32 | tyroney | ~emulate tyroney |
| 16:12.33 | purl | ACTION mourns the forums. |
| 16:12.33 | cogwheel | at least wow.com/realmstatus/ is working FWIW |
| 16:14.13 | JoshBorke | morning Cairenn |
| 16:14.24 | Cairenn | hi JoshBorke |
| 16:14.41 | tyroney | was the realmstatus bit a joke? |
| 16:15.04 | tyroney | Big, bold, white on blue: "HTTP Status 500 - No Context configured to process this request" |
| 16:15.24 | cogwheel | worldofwarcraft.com/realmstatus is working for me... |
| 16:15.36 | cogwheel | did you actually do wow.com? |
| 16:15.37 | tyroney | That's what I get for copying urls. |
| 16:15.39 | cogwheel | ;) |
| 16:17.12 | cogwheel | i really want to put together a full description of a Medic class... i'm sick of having to play anything-but-gnomes in order to be a healer |
| 16:17.15 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Cairenn (n=Cairenn@CPE001217452e29-CM014500004571.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 16:20.01 | KevICG | god kills kittens when gnomes heal people |
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| 16:20.26 | *** mode/#wowi-lounge [+o Cairenn] by ChanServ |
| 16:20.29 | cogwheel | Meh... all my gnomes nuke fluffy creatures anyway |
| 16:21.27 | cogwheel | actually my warrior was 3rd on the healing meter once 'cause i was using healthstones like crazy |
| 16:22.19 | cogwheel | aw damn... now realmstatus is giving a 503 |
| 16:24.52 | tyroney | Is the end here? |
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| 16:27.00 | Cide | function(...) stuff(); end <-- there |
| 16:28.21 | KevICG | function TheWorldAsWeKnowIt() stuff(); end? |
| 16:29.19 | KevICG | hmm, should have called IFeelFine() instead of stuff() |
| 16:30.18 | yacoob | TheGodIsInHeavenAllIsRightWithTheWorld |
| 16:30.23 | yacoob | (), of course. |
| 16:33.23 | malreth | ooh, there's probably a recall out on that |
| 16:34.43 | malreth | hmm... the graphics chip in the 24" imac is upgradable |
| 16:34.51 | malreth | that's a new one |
| 16:35.33 | KevICG | syntax error: mac and upgradeable, mutually exclusive terms |
| 16:36.02 | malreth | well, the towers have always been upgradable |
| 16:36.10 | malreth | but the flatscreen imac? |
| 16:36.13 | malreth | hmm... |
| 16:36.27 | KevICG | :) actually I'm blowing wind out my ass, you could sum up my mac knowledge very neatly with the word "nothing" |
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| 16:36.48 | malreth | apparently, they're using the MXM standard for the chip in the 24" model |
| 16:37.02 | malreth | basically, a laptop sized version of pci-express |
| 16:37.15 | JoshBorke | ~whalehug Cairenn |
| 16:37.19 | purl | ACTION Persuades a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh to hug Cairenn |
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| 16:39.07 | Kirkburn | Hugh gets a lot of abuse :/ |
| 16:39.18 | Cairenn | wow, thanks a lot Kirkburn |
| 16:39.23 | Cairenn | :p~~ |
| 16:39.37 | Kirkburn | haha |
| 16:40.15 | Kirkburn | Yay, awesome, I just found out that they're making multiplayer Portal :D |
| 16:40.24 | Cide | where? |
| 16:40.37 | malreth | ooh |
| 16:40.37 | Kirkburn | Where did I find out? |
| 16:40.40 | Kirkburn | http://www.gamevideos.com/video/id/5860 |
| 16:41.00 | malreth | the trailer for that game made my brain hurt |
| 16:41.04 | Kirkburn | Interview with the devsm about 2/3rds of the way through is the Portal bit |
| 16:41.09 | Kirkburn | *devs |
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| 16:44.00 | Qzot | Heyo. |
| 16:44.04 | Cairenn | hi Qzot |
| 16:44.07 | Kirkburn | morning |
| 16:47.16 | Kirkburn | You'll get there in the end |
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| 16:50.49 | Qzot|hasCoffee | Were you in the WoW beta in 2004? |
| 16:51.11 | Cairenn | who? |
| 16:51.21 | Qzot|hasCoffee | Well, anyone, really. |
| 16:52.00 | Cairenn | ummm, what if you were in before then? does that count? |
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| 16:52.20 | Qzot|hasCoffee | Duh. Of course. |
| 16:52.26 | Cairenn | <== |
| 16:53.19 | Qzot|hasCoffee | Did it feel much different than a typical server? |
| 16:53.20 | Kirkburn | The beta started in 2003? :O |
| 16:53.33 | Cairenn | the alpha started in 2003 |
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| 16:53.49 | Kirkburn | That would indeed make more sense :P |
| 16:54.46 | Cairenn | Qzot|hasCoffee: ? of course it felt different than the liver servers now, consider how much wasn't in yet :p |
| 16:55.02 | Qzot|hasCoffee | (A batting average of .300 is good. When that's the batting average for WoW forums returning pages, it's bad.) |
| 16:55.25 | Qzot|hasCoffee | Hmm. Well, I was meaning more in terms of community. |
| 16:55.27 | Cairenn | my first character was a mage, hunters weren't even in yet |
| 16:56.36 | malreth | what's a hunter? |
| 16:56.39 | Qzot|hasCoffee | Just one server during alpha and beta? |
| 16:57.33 | Cairenn | not during beta |
| 16:58.01 | Cairenn | well, again, how far along through the process are we talking here? |
| 16:58.37 | Qzot|hasCoffee | Well, I assume it changed over time, so a good answer would have to address that. :D |
| 16:58.57 | tyroney | I remember the early days.... http://www.leagueofpirates.com/sirvival/queuedance.html |
| 16:59.26 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 16:59.39 | Qzot|hasCoffee | And once they got to beta, did they mash the reset button frequently? |
| 16:59.48 | tyroney | I think that was from right after going live. |
| 16:59.52 | malreth | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:59.55 | Cairenn | tyroney: oh yeah |
| 17:01.50 | tyroney | malreth: I'm skeptical of any d pad nowadays. I'm still trying to find something usb that allows me to run to the right without accidentally hitting the diagonal and killing my momentum in Gish. |
| 17:01.59 | Legorol | i remember that queuedance thing, great one! |
| 17:02.21 | Zicon | Mmm, Gish. |
| 17:02.30 | malreth | it's worth giving it a spin using the fry's electronics rental program |
| 17:02.46 | tyroney | Haven't heard of that. I'll have to check it out. |
| 17:03.23 | Qzot|hasCoffee | Cairenn! Answer my questions, or I'll be tempted to go back to work! |
| 17:03.34 | malreth | it's easy. you buy something that you're thinking of having and if you don't like it, you return it saying, "it's not compatable/the wrong color/my son already had one." |
| 17:03.46 | Cairenn | lol |
| 17:04.18 | Osagasu | [13:00] * tyroney remembers stainding in the cold at 11:59 pm <---*remembers pacing the house waiting for his copy to arrive* |
| 17:04.35 | Cairenn | Qzot|hasCoffee: one originally, more over time, not that often that I recall, but remember, I'm all old and stuff, memory's the first thing to go, that was 3, almost 4, years ago now |
| 17:04.47 | tyroney | To this day, I wish I had enough credit to buy a few collector's editions. |
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| 17:05.20 | Cairenn | Qzot|hasCoffee: and, I know better, this *is* your work :p |
| 17:05.24 | Qzot|hasCoffee | Cairenn: I think we've had this conversation before, but I can't remember the outcome... Nonetheless, I suspect I'm older than you are. |
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| 17:05.41 | Osagasu | Heh. I just barely got hold of my parent's CC in time to get one of Amazon's last CE shipments. |
| 17:05.47 | Cairenn | yes, we have, which is why I know you believe me :p |
| 17:06.24 | Qzot | hehe |
| 17:06.49 | Cairenn | hi Nightdew |
| 17:07.00 | Nightdew | gday ma'am |
| 17:07.01 | Qzot | Hmm. If there were multiple servers at the end of beta, how did they let the beta toons transfer into retail?? That seems like it would be a mess. |
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| 17:07.23 | Mikma | they didn't |
| 17:07.27 | Cairenn | they didn't |
| 17:07.33 | KevICG | typically beta toons = wipe at retail |
| 17:07.33 | Mikma | everything was reseted when beta ended |
| 17:07.35 | tyroney | Yeeeup. |
| 17:08.01 | Cairenn | just like toons from the current expansion alpha/beta will be wiped when it goes live |
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| 17:08.39 | Qzot | Makes sense, but I guess I'd thought first time around they ported them over. |
| 17:08.44 | KevICG | only to be recreated by their creators, like a kind of virtual frankenstein monster run amok |
| 17:08.44 | Cairenn | anyone that told you their character was transferred across was feeding you a line |
| 17:08.59 | Qzot | No. No one told me that. |
| 17:09.08 | Qzot | But I picked up that notion somewhere along the way. |
| 17:09.18 | Qzot | Much easier and cleaner to wipe, that's for sure. |
| 17:09.26 | Cairenn | nope, no port over |
| 17:09.44 | tyroney | It was cruel, efficient, and wonderful. |
| 17:09.48 | Cairenn | that's SOP |
| 17:09.58 | Qzot | Makes sense. |
| 17:10.03 | tyroney | Actually, I think it began my condition, which currently has me playing around 15 characters. |
| 17:11.01 | Qzot | Anyway, that's why I think Auctioneer needs a major overhaul. |
| 17:11.15 | malreth | totally |
| 17:11.40 | Osagasu | Tyroney, I have so many characters that I have literally gotten every single gametime extension since the game opened. |
| 17:12.01 | Qzot | o.O |
| 17:12.01 | Kirkburn1 | re-re-boot, bo selecta |
| 17:12.08 | tyroney | Osagasu: I've almost. Not quite, but almost. |
| 17:12.11 | malreth | bbl |
| 17:12.28 | tyroney | Actually I jus t deleted about 15-20 characters, so I'm doing pretty good. |
| 17:12.59 | Osagasu | I had to delete a few not too long ago, when blizzard stealth nerfed the character cap. |
| 17:13.14 | Qzot | What's the new character cap? |
| 17:13.16 | tyroney | What?! |
| 17:13.25 | tyroney | s |
| 17:13.26 | Osagasu | It used to be that there wasn't one. |
| 17:13.36 | tyroney | Nah. 50 per account. |
| 17:13.41 | Qzot | Really? I'd always heard -- never tested -- 50 total. |
| 17:14.00 | Osagasu | I can specifically remember having a character on each of the 70 servers. |
| 17:14.01 | tyroney | (with deleted sometimes counting against you under unknown circumstances) |
| 17:14.06 | Osagasu | when there were 70 servers. |
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| 17:14.52 | Osagasu | I had to delete quite a few to be able to make a character at one point |
| 17:15.49 | Osagasu | How many servers are we up to now? |
| 17:15.54 | Osagasu | it's over 100, right? |
| 17:16.20 | Qzot | About 180. |
| 17:16.26 | Qzot | Plus 190 in EU. |
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| 17:17.15 | tyroney | It's all really mind-boggling. |
| 17:17.39 | KevICG | bout what average peak time pop? 3k? |
| 17:18.01 | Qzot | 6k, both factions. |
| 17:18.13 | Qzot | About 20k active within a week. |
| 17:18.37 | Cairenn | so, do the Oriental countries have their own servers as well, or are they on the EU servers too? |
| 17:18.44 | Qzot | Own. |
| 17:18.50 | Osagasu | They're on Asian servers. |
| 17:18.55 | Osagasu | And I think Korea has its own |
| 17:18.57 | Cairenn | that's what I thought, but wasn't positive |
| 17:18.59 | Qzot | Yeah. |
| 17:19.26 | Cairenn | so yeah, well over 100 servers ;) |
| 17:19.44 | Osagasu | *sigh* Blizzard needs to hurry up with the upgrades |
| 17:20.03 | Osagasu | Oh, they are up |
| 17:20.49 | Osagasu | Now I get to redo my friend list. |
| 17:20.49 | Osagasu | yay. |
| 17:26.19 | Cairenn | darn I hate it when I'm prophetic ... out grocery shopping last night, tell the daughter to snag a couple boxes of of tissues "because you've just started back to school which means you'll be bringing something home soon enough" ... wake up today with all the signs that say that when I wake up tomorrow I'm going to be miserably sick with a cold |
| 17:26.42 | Gryphen | jinxed yourself |
| 17:27.56 | KevICG | not really, schools = plague disbursement centers |
| 17:28.01 | KevICG | it's inevitable really |
| 17:28.12 | Cairenn | yup, which is why I'd said it |
| 17:28.28 | TS|Skrom | I have a question about memory usage |
| 17:28.31 | KevICG | I have kids in 2 different schools, so I get twice as many plagues |
| 17:28.44 | Cairenn | we both *always* get sick within a couple weeks of her going back |
| 17:28.59 | TS|Skrom | Say I have a function that calls my options window, we will call it MyAddonShowOpt |
| 17:29.15 | Cairenn | terrible immune systems ftl |
| 17:29.28 | TS|Skrom | I also have a function that is a handler for my checkbox options whihc will only be referenced from within the options menu when buttons are checked |
| 17:29.58 | TS|Skrom | can I put the checkbox function inside MyAddonShowOpt and declare it local to save that global variable? |
| 17:30.31 | TS|Skrom | or rather, the memory used by that variable... |
| 17:31.09 | MentalPower | yes, you can declare functions within functions |
| 17:31.09 | tyroney | Bah, just make a local function that prints something whenever you click, and go try it out! It's exciting! |
| 17:31.31 | TS|Skrom | MentalPower - that's not quite what I'm asking |
| 17:31.53 | MentalPower | then perhaps further explanation is in order |
| 17:32.28 | TS|Skrom | hrm... I don't know how to say what I'm thinking exactly.. but here goes: Would declaring the second function inside the first and declaring it local be a memory saver since the function would only be in memory til the options box was closed? |
| 17:32.46 | TS|Skrom | or would it be a non issue and I should stop worrying about it |
| 17:33.14 | Corrodias | if that were true, opening the option box would cause an increase in memory each time until it's GC'd |
| 17:33.26 | Corrodias | i don't know if it is true or not |
| 17:33.31 | MentalPower | its really a non-issue. I would be more worried about the global namespace and that can be easily solved |
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| 17:34.33 | Corrodias | Cairenn: Zicam, Vitamin C, and Zinc |
| 17:35.23 | Cairenn | Corrodias: more like, preemptive antibiotics |
| 17:35.55 | Cairenn | Cairenn + cold lasting longer than 3 days = bronchitis, guaranteed |
| 17:36.11 | KevICG | vitamin c has been debunked as an immune system aid |
| 17:36.41 | Cairenn | Cairenn + cold lasting longer than 3 days = pneumonia, possibly |
| 17:37.12 | Corrodias | a "cold" is caused by a virus, which works on completely different mechanics from bacteria. antibiotics will do absolutely nothing to it. |
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| 17:37.21 | Cairenn | Cairenn's daughter + cold lasting longer than 3 days = strep throat |
| 17:37.31 | Cairenn | I am aware of that, but read the rest of what I said :p |
| 17:37.39 | Corrodias | hm, i see |
| 17:37.46 | malreth | not strep throat! |
| 17:37.53 | Corrodias | KevICG: hadn't heard that. |
| 17:38.11 | malreth | isn't that usually fatal in you mammals? |
| 17:38.34 | Cairenn | malreth: *blink* |
| 17:38.39 | KevICG | corrodias: saw it in a science news years ago |
| 17:38.46 | Corrodias | phht, news |
| 17:38.55 | KevICG | no "science news" the magazine |
| 17:39.35 | KevICG | weekly synopsis of finds in a wide variety of fields of research |
| 17:39.56 | TS|Skrom | wheeee today I get to learn how to make a tabbed options window! |
| 17:40.40 | Corrodias | more like "i heard it from a bum" |
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| 17:41.22 | Qzot | TS|Skrom: In WoW, or in class? |
| 17:41.24 | KevICG | corrodias: actually I misremembered, the article I read stated that vitamin C is an effective bolster to the immune system while currently ill, but plays no preventative role |
| 17:41.32 | KevICG | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_C#Colds |
| 17:41.46 | TS|Skrom | WoW |
| 17:41.50 | KevICG | so you can take it when you're sick, but it won't prevent you from being sick |
| 17:43.23 | Corrodias | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aY_CidIS8YM |
| 17:43.49 | Corrodias | KevICG: hm. now that i would not have expected. :o |
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| 17:45.09 | tyroney | Lotsa liquids! Regular sleep! Play 3 hours of WoW and call me in the morning. |
| 17:45.59 | Corrodias | i need a Strategy Stick with which to beat my AV partners |
| 17:46.22 | zenzelezz | doesn't help |
| 17:46.27 | Corrodias | "10 D, 30 O" does not mean "31 D, 9 O" |
| 17:46.52 | Corrodias | or "3 D, 27 O". you can imagine how those two games went. |
| 17:47.22 | malreth | do you play horde or alliance, Corrodias? |
| 17:47.25 | Corrodias | horde |
| 17:47.30 | malreth | ah |
| 17:48.13 | Corrodias | most people don't like to be constantly falling back, so they want to play offense unless -everyone- is playing defense. |
| 17:48.22 | Corrodias | and then you can't get them to move |
| 17:49.05 | Corrodias | it's time for my class. bye~ |
| 17:49.05 | malreth | i love playing defense in AV (alliance) |
| 17:49.09 | malreth | later |
| 17:49.15 | KevICG | corrodias: that video is halarious |
| 17:49.19 | Corrodias | yes :) |
| 17:49.33 | Qzot | Oh, my. |
| 17:49.39 | Corrodias | i also love D, and i'm not afraid to keep dying and falling back toward the keep! |
| 17:49.52 | Corrodias | i know the purpose is to slow them down, only |
| 17:50.23 | KevICG | corrodias: I love the model trying to argue with the geek about what is and isn't a computer |
| 17:50.32 | Qzot | Hehe. Yup. |
| 17:50.47 | Corrodias | must run to class, but i totally agree |
| 17:51.11 | malreth | does youtube change their interface weekly or something? |
| 17:51.20 | KevICG | weakly yes |
| 17:51.41 | malreth | every time i watch a new video, the buttons look different. KevICG: crafty! |
| 17:51.51 | KevICG | :) |
| 17:55.18 | Osagasu | damn that girl is blond |
| 17:55.32 | Osagasu | "Is it behind?" "No, it's inside." |
| 17:55.52 | Cairenn | blond is an attitude, not a hair colour, and boy is she ever |
| 17:56.51 | KevICG | I'm beautiful so the world must bend to my will! |
| 17:56.57 | Osagasu | I grew up with a mother that was blond both ways. |
| 17:58.04 | Osagasu | And the guy really is explaining it as simple as possible. |
| 17:58.28 | malreth | Under? |
| 17:58.29 | Qzot | Hmm. |
| 17:58.30 | KevICG | is this new? http://worldofwarcraft.com/burningcrusade/townhall/outlandmap.html |
| 17:58.44 | Cide | I think so |
| 17:58.47 | KevICG | rofl, area 52 |
| 17:58.47 | Osagasu | Yes. |
| 17:58.55 | malreth | i've fielded calls from users like her |
| 17:59.10 | Qzot | He could have adapted to her language better. Not saying he was at fault, but there was room for improvement, even in his performance. |
| 17:59.16 | malreth | you can't teach people like that, exactly |
| 17:59.24 | malreth | you have to speak their language, not teach them yours |
| 17:59.31 | Qzot | Exactly. |
| 17:59.58 | malreth | i had the best way to get people to check their ethernet cable connections |
| 18:00.02 | ckknight | what happened to 51? |
| 18:00.12 | Qzot | I love the story from the 80s -- almost certainly apocryphal -- about the help support person who asked the person on the phone to start with a clean floppy... |
| 18:00.23 | MentalPower | are the forums down? |
| 18:00.28 | Kirov | http://www.videosift.com/story.php?id=10532&where=index |
| 18:00.31 | KevICG | google "computer stupidities" for a whole archive of 'em |
| 18:01.04 | malreth | sssh! Iriel's back |
| 18:01.32 | Iriel | morning |
| 18:01.53 | ckknight | yum |
| 18:01.56 | Iriel | Ouch! |
| 18:01.59 | Osagasu | Heya Iriel. |
| 18:02.21 | malreth | i've made lotsa breakfast today! |
| 18:02.28 | Osagasu | Okay, so there's a CC city in Outland |
| 18:02.33 | Osagasu | but is there an AD city? |
| 18:02.56 | Iriel | http://www.williams-sonoma.com/products/7387913/index.cfm |
| 18:03.23 | malreth | i don't like double waffle makers |
| 18:03.41 | malreth | they can't pull enough amps to properly crisp both waffles without blowing a breaker |
| 18:04.02 | malreth | but i do like the ones that rotate like that |
| 18:04.10 | Iriel | http://www.williams-sonoma.com/products/6232227/index.cfm then? |
| 18:04.13 | malreth | you get nice even wafflage |
| 18:04.30 | malreth | mmm... that looks like a winner, yes |
| 18:05.00 | malreth | villaware gets good reviews, too |
| 18:05.03 | MentalPower | ok, I think this conversation wins the offtopic award for this channel |
| 18:05.14 | Iriel | malreth started it! |
| 18:05.15 | KevICG | don't be dissin' no waffles now |
| 18:05.20 | malreth | i've never won anything before! |
| 18:05.49 | Osagasu | Damnit. |
| 18:05.56 | Osagasu | Now I'm hungry for waffles. |
| 18:06.06 | Cairenn | MentalPower: lol, you think *this* wins the OT award for this channel? psst, you ain't seen nothing |
| 18:06.48 | malreth | wildhammer stronghold?! |
| 18:06.57 | Industrial | you've aint seen nothing yet |
| 18:06.58 | malreth | i guess that faction will be useful for something after all |
| 18:06.59 | Industrial | DUN DUN |
| 18:07.35 | Osagasu | Tat must be where the survivors of the Cataclysm are. |
| 18:07.39 | Osagasu | **That |
| 18:08.26 | malreth | what I find most shocking about that page is the blood elf that is half the size of the world. I hope I don't run into him. |
| 18:09.09 | Osagasu | Oh, he's in Redeption. |
| 18:09.14 | Osagasu | What'll he do, heal you to death? |
| 18:16.25 | Qzot | Hmm. That'd be an interesting boss encounter. |
| 18:17.22 | Qzot | Your max health is doubled, and the boss starts healing you. If you reach your new max health, you die, or are somehow removed from the combat. |
| 18:18.51 | Beladona | so what? punch yourself in the groin, and hope to god it outdoes his HPS? |
| 18:19.28 | Qzot | I dunno. Try to reverse all your normal reflexes. |
| 18:19.45 | Beladona | mortal strike: on self! |
| 18:19.47 | Qzot | Maybe his minions do damage to you, but he heals you. Your goal is to keep everyone in the middle. |
| 18:20.00 | malreth | oh, now that would be insane |
| 18:20.13 | Beladona | better yet |
| 18:20.23 | Qzot | If you die, you die. If you reach max health, you're subject to being blissed out for the rest of the fight. Incapacitated, but not dead. |
| 18:20.32 | Beladona | you get items that cast a poison on you, and you have to keep it on long enough to prevent your health from reaching full |
| 18:21.05 | Cairenn | meh, go for the obvious - chop the boss into teeny bits while screaming "die die die, agh, no, don't heal me, die you bastard" |
| 18:21.11 | Beladona | then there are the classes like warriors and others who can change health for rage, etc... |
| 18:21.33 | Cairenn | "stop healing me! aaaaagh!" |
| 18:21.40 | Qzot | Lol. |
| 18:21.52 | Qzot | Imagine the healers trying to keep everyone in the *middle*. |
| 18:22.11 | Qzot | All the emergency monitor addons *screwed*, so people have to resort to using real skill again. |
| 18:22.19 | Beladona | or have a special spell for priests, that reverses healing effects. talk about a switch. Healers who have to negate heals... |
| 18:22.36 | KevICG | make it a shadow priest only thing |
| 18:22.39 | Beladona | yeah |
| 18:22.43 | KevICG | watch the respecs fly |
| 18:22.58 | Qzot | Oooo. |
| 18:23.06 | Qzot | Twin bosses, duking it out. |
| 18:23.29 | Beladona | why doe that bring back memories of the warcraft 2 two headed ogres? |
| 18:23.54 | zenzelezz | "All right" "No, I'm hungry!" |
| 18:24.03 | Beladona | you farted! No I didn't! |
| 18:24.06 | Qzot | One heals the party, the other damages, both need to be taken down together. |
| 18:24.08 | Qzot | Oh, my. |
| 18:26.42 | malreth | http://www.engadget.com/2006/09/11/ultimate-lego-chaingun-not-your-parents-rubberband-gun/ |
| 18:27.20 | *** join/#wowi-lounge Kirkburn1 (n=Kirkburn@84-45-141-44.no-dns-yet.enta.net) |
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| 18:29.36 | jaxdahl | Kirkburn |
| 18:30.19 | KevICG | malreth, I find that as irrefutable proof that some people have entirely too much free time |
| 18:30.26 | KevICG | but it is darn cool |
| 18:30.37 | jaxdahl | Kirkburn1, i think this image should be removed: http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Bladesmountains.jpg |
| 18:31.09 | jaxdahl | i think the user that uploaded it didn't realize it's from the BC alpha |
| 18:32.29 | Qzot | Have you guys seen mogmasters.com, offering to take your toon on guild instance runs (that's right, with *your* guild) for a fee? Eesh. |
| 18:32.45 | Qzot | I can imagine that going over *so* well. |
| 18:33.53 | Tem | we boot people from raids if they admit they aren't the normal player |
| 18:34.00 | Tem | (and we didn't know about it beforehand) |
| 18:34.24 | Qzot | Exactly. I find it amazing that someone would try to use the service. |
| 18:35.42 | Qzot | I can't imagine many raids operating without vent/TS, so it's likely to be extremely obvious. |
| 18:36.03 | Qzot | Tem: But the fact that you have this policy, means that there were violations at one point? |
| 18:36.15 | Tem | well |
| 18:36.21 | Tem | we had a pally's little brother once |
| 18:36.27 | Tem | and wasn't doing anything right |
| 18:36.34 | Tem | so we were like "wtf?" |
| 18:36.51 | tyroney | That's always... fun |
| 18:36.58 | Tem | "This is not your first trip into BWL, why don't know know what you're doing?" |
| 18:36.59 | Qzot | And the policy was created for that one occasion? |
| 18:37.11 | Tem | "I'm not the real <insert name>... he's my older brother" |
| 18:37.31 | Tem | it's happened a few times with other people |
| 18:37.41 | Tem | mostly fat that we're gonna trim for the expansion raids |
| 18:37.48 | Qzot | But always "little brother"/"friend"/etc. |
| 18:38.08 | Tem | Qzot, once it was a gf |
| 18:38.17 | KevICG | mmmm lard |
| 18:38.34 | Tem | "Hi, I've never played wow so I'm gonna play my boyfriend's healer on Nefarian" |
| 18:38.38 | Qzot | Tem: Was she any good? |
| 18:38.48 | Qzot | Tem: Nm. Question answered. |
| 18:38.52 | Tem | hehe |
| 18:39.15 | Tem | I have 2 words to describe the encounter: "Corrupted Healing" |
| 18:39.56 | Qzot | Do you think you could play a guildie's toon undetected in your raid? |
| 18:40.08 | sancus | I've done it before |
| 18:40.09 | Tem | since I know them, yes |
| 18:40.10 | Qzot | "sorry. mic not working today." |
| 18:40.13 | sancus | class I never played before, too |
| 18:40.13 | sancus | ez |
| 18:40.13 | Tem | but if I didn't, no |
| 18:40.16 | sancus | (priest) |
| 18:40.26 | Tem | oh, here's a fun thing our priests like to do if they get a a priest call a <2%... |
| 18:40.26 | sancus | went in vent with their name, too! |
| 18:40.28 | sancus | just didn't talk |
| 18:40.36 | Tem | prayer of healing |
| 18:40.55 | Tem | it's like a game |
| 18:41.03 | Tem | who can kill the most people without wiping the raid |
| 18:41.17 | Qzot | what??? |
| 18:41.26 | malreth | i reckon that'd get you punched in the face |
| 18:41.28 | Tem | are you not familliar with the nef right? |
| 18:41.39 | KevICG | I am not |
| 18:41.39 | Qzot | I've only seen up to Rag. |
| 18:41.47 | Tem | Nef does "class calls" |
| 18:41.54 | Qzot | I've heard about those. |
| 18:41.55 | Tem | once every 30 seconds he calls out a class |
| 18:42.05 | Tem | and it has some different effect on the class |
| 18:42.06 | jaxdahl | thanks tyroney |
| 18:42.13 | jaxdahl | wasn't sure how to do it |
| 18:42.24 | Tem | for mages it makes you randomly sheep people in the raid |
| 18:42.34 | Shadowed | Nefarian turns on your raid |
| 18:42.34 | Tem | yes, like that |
| 18:42.41 | Shadowed | Shadow flame hits 10 people for 5000 damage |
| 18:42.43 | Shadowed | 10 people die |
| 18:42.44 | Shadowed | you die |
| 18:42.50 | Tem | for priests it makes their heals apply a dot called "corrupted healing" |
| 18:42.55 | jaxdahl | rogues: they get rooted and can get into a bad spot for getting breathed on |
| 18:42.58 | Tem | with stacks |
| 18:43.01 | jaxdahl | hunters: breaks their bows/guns |
| 18:43.04 | Tem | s/with/which/ |
| 18:43.14 | Qzot | Ouch. |
| 18:43.14 | jaxdahl | warriors: stuck in berserker stance (bad for MT!) |
| 18:43.15 | Shadowed | we have one rogue who always dies to nef |
| 18:43.26 | jaxdahl | druid: stuck in cat form (have to DPS, can't heal) |
| 18:43.31 | Shadowed | priest call....target rogue 5 stacks....rogue dies |
| 18:43.32 | Tem | so if we get a priest call at <2%, our priests like to hit prayer of healing to see how many in their group they can kill |
| 18:43.36 | Qzot | So, um, priests are supposed to stop healing during their class call, except when they're playing their little game... |
| 18:43.38 | jaxdahl | paladin: casts BOP on nef - makes him immune to melee damage |
| 18:43.38 | Shadowed | lol tem |
| 18:43.55 | jaxdahl | mage: polymorphs random members - if they are too far away from the raid they might poly the MT |
| 18:44.05 | jaxdahl | what else.. |
| 18:44.09 | Tem | jaxdahl, that's not correct |
| 18:44.10 | jaxdahl | shaman, i don't know what it is |
| 18:44.12 | KevICG | heh, that sounds fun |
| 18:44.24 | KevICG | in a slightly sociopathic way |
| 18:44.26 | jaxdahl | Tem, what's not correct? |
| 18:44.26 | Tem | we can only sheep the MT if we are close enough |
| 18:44.37 | Tem | getting far away is how you deal with a mage call |
| 18:44.47 | Tem | (LoS doesn't seem to effect it) |
| 18:44.52 | jaxdahl | no.. if you are too far away and it doesnt' find an unpolyed target, it will poly a random person, including the MT |
| 18:45.06 | Shadowed | which is bad |
| 18:45.13 | jaxdahl | i've seen it happen tem |
| 18:45.19 | Tem | when we run far away, we sheep each other |
| 18:45.21 | Shadowed | Since the AI is set to change targets if somebody is CC'ed with sheep |
| 18:45.31 | Tem | I've seen it recast |
| 18:45.34 | Tem | lots of times |
| 18:45.42 | Tem | in fact, last kill I was a cat |
| 18:45.55 | Tem | and the guy next to me turned me into a giraffe |
| 18:45.56 | malreth | that one's my favorite |
| 18:46.03 | Qzot | Anyway, 2nd question: If you knew how to play the class, and could get enough info from the player, do you think you could go undetected in another guild's raid? |
| 18:46.03 | malreth | meow |
| 18:46.18 | malreth | MWRAR!!! |
| 18:46.18 | Tem | Qzot, I could do it in my own guild |
| 18:46.20 | Qzot | Again, "sorry, guys, I can't listen on vent, but my mic isn't working". |
| 18:46.32 | Shadowed | Qzot: easly |
| 18:46.33 | Tem | Qzot, but not some other guild |
| 18:46.33 | Qzot | s/can't/can/ |
| 18:46.56 | Shadowed | but i've also raided with a rogue and played a priest |
| 18:47.11 | jaxdahl | test123 test123 test1234 tebabac12345 |
| 18:47.16 | jaxdahl | s/t123/kdfjkdfjkdjf/ |
| 18:47.21 | Shadowed | it's not really that hard as long as you understand the actual fight and not just your role |
| 18:47.23 | jaxdahl | test123 test123 test1234 tebabac12345 |
| 18:47.24 | jaxdahl | s/t123/kdfjkdfjkdjf/g |
| 18:47.28 | jaxdahl | interesting |
| 18:47.39 | KevICG | depends on who I was impersonating. there are some folks that have distinctive personalities |
| 18:47.50 | malreth | http://youtube.com/watch?v=v5wD0TBIH0Q |
| 18:48.08 | KevICG | just curious, what is the corrupted healing debuff do? |
| 18:48.18 | KevICG | s/do/does |
| 18:48.22 | Qzot | Damn. I was thinking these guys could not possibly get customers. You're basically saying that as long as you're bland enough, they could. |
| 18:48.30 | KevICG | s/is/does |
| 18:48.40 | jaxdahl | it makes it a dot |
| 18:48.46 | jaxdahl | that damages the target |
| 18:48.49 | jaxdahl | and it can stack.. a lot. |
| 18:48.55 | KevICG | how long? |
| 18:49.23 | Qzot | I bet pallies, shammies, and durids get a lot of healing action during that fight. |
| 18:49.23 | Shadowed | 30s |
| 18:49.24 | Kirkburn1 | So, right, I got a letter from the government about my pension today ... :/ |
| 18:49.56 | KevICG | and that's every time a priest casts a spell during the call or just when a priest heals you? |
| 18:50.09 | jaxdahl | every time a priest casts a heal |
| 18:50.10 | jaxdahl | they can DPS |
| 18:50.13 | Shadowed | DURING the call |
| 18:50.16 | KevICG | oh sweet jeebus |
| 18:50.29 | Kirkburn1 | "Retirement may seem a long way off..." Well yes, it does when you're 21. |
| 18:50.29 | Shadowed | priests have only tried to kill me once |
| 18:50.32 | Shadowed | i start saving SW |
| 18:51.00 | jaxdahl | thanks for deleting the pic, kirkburn |
| 18:51.08 | Qzot | Nef must be pretty boring for them to invent that game. |
| 18:51.14 | Kirkburn1 | :) |
| 18:51.21 | Shadowed | yeah |
| 18:51.44 | jaxdahl | was going through the new dungeons, Kirkburn1 |
| 18:52.12 | jaxdahl | and updating them with the info from the new outland map |
| 18:52.12 | jaxdahl | then i came across that |
| 18:52.40 | *** join/#wowi-lounge malreth (n=triti@w-mob400-128-62-216-178.public.utexas.edu) |
| 18:52.48 | malreth | RAWR!!! |
| 18:52.50 | Kirkburn1 | Just PM me with a link on here so when I'm around I can check on that stuff :) |
| 18:54.59 | KevICG | does nef's corrupted healing apply to things like vamp. embrace? |
| 18:55.20 | jaxdahl | probably |
| 18:55.24 | Tem | dunno |
| 18:55.43 | jaxdahl | looks like gryphon and xmuskrat are busy adding new pages too |
| 18:55.50 | Kirkburn1 | Ooooh, an interactive map |
| 18:55.53 | Kirkburn1 | Nifty |
| 18:55.55 | Kirkburn1 | (http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/burningcrusade/townhall/outlandmap.html) |
| 18:56.00 | KevICG | ya |
| 18:56.01 | jaxdahl | yep yep |
| 18:56.11 | jaxdahl | i updated the dungeon pages with the names of the wings |
| 18:56.11 | Kirkburn1 | In fact, amazing |
| 18:56.14 | Gryphen | i was just repairing his links heh |
| 18:56.15 | jaxdahl | and levels of mobs |
| 18:56.26 | jaxdahl | heh Gryphen |
| 18:56.36 | Kirkburn1 | LOL |
| 18:56.39 | Kirkburn1 | "Area 52" |
| 18:56.40 | jaxdahl | Oops. Sorry about that. I use "wowhq" to get around the firewall at work. :) --Xmuskrat 14:31, 13 September 2006 (EDT) |
| 18:57.23 | jaxdahl | i've added the 6 dungeons to my watchlist |
| 18:58.01 | jaxdahl | Area 52 is a goblin town i believe |
| 18:58.12 | Hexarobi | heh area 52 |
| 18:58.50 | Kirkburn1 | "A" seems to be a popular letter on Outland |
| 18:59.24 | Kirkburn1 | Telaar, Halaa, Garadar, Temple of Shan'aar |
| 18:59.28 | jaxdahl | what is the best way to move this? |
| 18:59.29 | jaxdahl | http://www.wowwiki.com/Black_Citadel |
| 18:59.33 | jaxdahl | to Black Temple |
| 18:59.38 | jaxdahl | a lot of pages link to it |
| 18:59.42 | sancus | more raid zones than I expected |
| 18:59.45 | Kirkburn1 | Just move it, the links will follow |
| 19:00.02 | jaxdahl | . Links to the old page title will not be changed; be sure to check for double or broken redirects. You are responsible for making sure that links continue to point where they are supposed to go. |
| 19:00.08 | jaxdahl | are you sure? |
| 19:00.08 | sancus | though I suppose 2 of them are single mob lair things |
| 19:00.17 | Kirkburn1 | It'll be fine, I'll show you what happens after |
| 19:00.18 | jaxdahl | sancus, 1 is |
| 19:00.27 | sancus | gruul's lair is almost certainly a 1 mob thing |
| 19:00.38 | jaxdahl | black temple (illidan) is a big one i believe |
| 19:00.48 | jaxdahl | not a simple encounter like magtheridon or gruul |
| 19:00.55 | KevICG | make a stub page "this has been moved" |
| 19:01.00 | Kirkburn1 | No, no |
| 19:01.10 | Kirkburn1 | Just move it and you'll see what it does |
| 19:01.22 | sancus | can't wait for this stuff to actually go into testing, haha |
| 19:01.23 | Beladona | I hate screenshot viewers that put the next / prev links at the bottom, and have images that vary in size |
| 19:01.27 | Cairenn | sancus: any friends at Dawson College in Montreal? |
| 19:01.31 | Beladona | I mean - duh |
| 19:01.32 | sancus | nope |
| 19:01.35 | sancus | why |
| 19:01.42 | sancus | I don't even know what that is, really |
| 19:01.55 | Kirkburn1 | What, Montreal? :P |
| 19:01.55 | Cairenn | http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14818183/ |
| 19:02.01 | jaxdahl | i moved it |
| 19:02.03 | Shadowed | the TBC screenshots they posted are pretty nice |
| 19:02.09 | jaxdahl | old pages still say 'black citadel' |
| 19:02.33 | jaxdahl | do i need to go through them all and edit them? |
| 19:02.44 | sancus | I know what montreal is :P |
| 19:02.49 | sancus | not the college |
| 19:02.54 | Kirkburn1 | jaxdahl, well yeah, those shoudl eb changed |
| 19:03.07 | Kirkburn1 | But the link isn't broken, it just redirects |
| 19:03.54 | sancus | Cairenn: oh well, nope, dont know anybody there |
| 19:04.03 | Cairenn | sancus: *nod* |
| 19:04.51 | Kirkburn1 | Montreal ... hmm ... that's a type o' fish, innit? |
| 19:05.34 | Kirkburn1 | Shadowed, that just made me think of screenshots of lovely newness with giant letters accross them saying "To be confirmed" |
| 19:06.58 | jaxdahl | how do i deal with this? |
| 19:06.59 | jaxdahl | http://www.wowwiki.com/Category:Instance:Black_Citadel |
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| 19:07.42 | malreth | any office space/Mike Judge fans? http://www.suntimes.com/output/entertainment/cst-ftr-idio06.html |
| 19:07.57 | Kirkburn1 | Just move the page :) |
| 19:08.23 | Kirkburn1 | Also, it might be an idea to add some articles to the category :P |
| 19:08.27 | jaxdahl | can't move it............. |
| 19:08.35 | Kirkburn1 | Oh yeah |
| 19:08.36 | jaxdahl | yeah there was 1 article in it |
| 19:08.49 | jaxdahl | i already recategorized it to Black Temple |
| 19:08.50 | Kirkburn1 | Hmm, then just recreate it I suppose |
| 19:09.16 | Kirkburn1 | Tell me when you're done, I'll delete the cat after |
| 19:09.37 | Kirkburn1 | meow |
| 19:09.39 | jaxdahl | done |
| 19:09.45 | jaxdahl | http://www.wowwiki.com/Category:Instance:Black_Temple |
| 19:10.01 | Kirkburn1 | Done too :) |
| 19:10.44 | jaxdahl | hmm.. |
| 19:10.58 | jaxdahl | was it referred to as Black Citadel in Wc3?? |
| 19:11.26 | |FF|Im2good4u | wut ? |
| 19:11.43 | jaxdahl | or in books? |
| 19:11.51 | Kirkburn1 | Hmm, not sure |
| 19:12.22 | jaxdahl | Gryphen, there are still references to Citadel on the black temple page |
| 19:12.56 | Kirkburn1 | Oooh, Tinkerer just uploaded some sexy new official pictures :) |
| 19:13.35 | Gryphen | jaxdahl have at it |
| 19:13.50 | Gryphen | i just did a find/replace bc > bt |
| 19:14.00 | Gryphen | didnt think to find singular |
| 19:18.19 | jaxdahl | http://www.wowwiki.com/Instances_by_Level might need an update for TBC instances |
| 19:20.22 | jaxdahl | remnents->remants? |
| 19:20.28 | jaxdahl | remnants? |
| 19:20.39 | Kirkburn1 | second one |
| 19:22.09 | jaxdahl | hm |
| 19:22.24 | jaxdahl | well, it seems the Black Temple was referred to as the Black Citadel in WC3 |
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| 19:22.36 | jaxdahl | but they are the same place |
| 19:23.12 | jaxdahl | i don't know if i should be renaming EVERYTHING to temple |
| 19:24.10 | Kirkburn1 | If it's referring to the instance as a whole, chaneg it |
| 19:24.13 | Kirkburn1 | *change |
| 19:24.35 | Kirkburn1 | Assuming the official info is correct :P |
| 19:25.05 | jaxdahl | i'd make a post on the WoW forums if they were up.. |
| 19:25.50 | TS|Skrom | *sigh* |
| 19:26.18 | malreth | http://www.guardian.co.uk/medicine/story/0,,1870279,00.html spooky |
| 19:29.12 | tyroney | ~emulate tyroney |
| 19:29.20 | purl | ACTION mourns the forums. |
| 19:29.29 | tyroney | Good thing I started logging in here, or I'd be going through even worse withdrawal |
| 19:30.28 | TS|Skrom | GAH- http://wowi.pastey.net/785 why won't my tab buttons show! |
| 19:30.56 | jaxdahl | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Special:Whatlinkshere&target=Black_Citadel |
| 19:36.03 | tyroney | TS|Skrom: You have opened it with a browser, and checked the frame.xml in logs, right? |
| 19:36.25 | TS|Skrom | browser opens fine.. didn't do the other |
| 19:37.07 | tyroney | That's my first advice. Otherwise, it's looked fine from what I've seen so far. (this from someone who's never bothered trying to make functioning tabs) |
| 19:37.49 | KevICG | is there any place that has an item data dump in comma delimted or somesuch? |
| 19:38.02 | TS|Skrom | Couldn't find inherited node: $parentTabTemplate |
| 19:38.33 | TS|Skrom | no error on -- Creating Button named $parentTabTemplate >< |
| 19:39.10 | tyroney | I think the tabls will need ($parent($parent))tabtemplate, or in other words have ot be written out. |
| 19:40.03 | tyroney | wait, I'm wrong. |
| 19:41.53 | tyroney | searching the framexml for inherits="$ to see if perhaps inherits can't have $parent in it |
| 19:42.21 | tyroney | No results so far. Might be the problem. |
| 19:43.15 | TS|Skrom | now that I think about it, that would actually make alot of sense |
| 19:43.17 | *** part/#wowi-lounge Mikk (i=bofh@81-233-236-26-no19.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 19:43.19 | TS|Skrom | let me try that |
| 19:44.01 | TS|Skrom | if you are inheriting something it wouldn't necessarily have the same parent in fact it usually wouldn't |
| 19:46.26 | jaxdahl | how do i see only changes to Talk pages in the RC list? |
| 19:46.40 | jaxdahl | never mind |
| 19:46.42 | jaxdahl | i see the drop down lsit |
| 19:46.51 | Kirkburn1 | I was just about to check :P |
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| 19:50.19 | jaxdahl | kilkbuln? |
| 19:50.21 | jaxdahl | lol |
| 19:50.37 | Kilkbuln | I've gone ethnic! |
| 19:51.37 | Kilkbuln | Dammit, I hate these disconnects - it keeps putting me back into the queue :/ |
| 19:51.55 | jaxdahl | queue for ptr? |
| 19:52.14 | Kilkbuln | Nah, just for the realm I'm playing with Mikk on :P |
| 19:52.52 | Kilkbuln | Bloodhoof is just too popular |
| 19:56.01 | tyroney | Wait, did it come up? |
| 19:56.19 | TS|Skrom | ZOMG! |
| 19:56.30 | TS|Skrom | Figured it out, template buttons have to be defined outside of <frame> |
| 19:56.48 | malreth | huge disturbing image alert: http://duggmirror.com/gaming_news/Amazing_and_Disturbing_Super_Mario_Brothers_Painting/supermarioxp7.jpg |
| 19:56.48 | TS|Skrom | or at least that's what it looks like to me haha |
| 19:56.49 | Kilkbuln | (I'm in the EU, btw) |
| 19:56.56 | Beladona | anything being inherited has to be defined outside |
| 19:57.06 | tyroney | I've always done that. I mean, they're templates. |
| 19:57.39 | Beladona | $parent when used in an inherited frame, takes on the name of what is inheriting it |
| 19:58.10 | Kilkbuln | I like the silly comments people are adding the BC wiki images =) |
| 19:58.40 | Beladona | like what? she looks like a goat? |
| 19:58.43 | Beladona | lol |
| 19:58.50 | TS|Skrom | Beladona -- Anything being inherited has to be defined outside -- is that something you learn in XML or is that a WoW thing? |
| 19:58.57 | Beladona | its a wow thing |
| 19:59.18 | Beladona | you can't inherit a child of something afaik |
| 19:59.24 | Kilkbuln | My draenei girl won't look like a goat too much :( |
| 19:59.33 | TS|Skrom | would someone who could word it well update http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Create_Tabbed_Windows to include that little tidbit in the section regarding making a template? Would have saved me alot of time lol |
| 19:59.41 | Beladona | you can inherit a frame that HAS children, adn get the children |
| 19:59.48 | Beladona | but can't inherit only the child |
| 20:02.01 | jaxdahl | here goes: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=26302634&postId=262202647&sid=1#0 |
| 20:02.54 | tyroney | heh |
| 20:03.35 | Beladona | TS|Skrom: the tidbit about creating tempaltes and inheritance rules should probably go on another page about that specific topic, and then link to it from the tabbed window tutorial. I may do something later, just don't have time atm |
| 20:04.01 | TS|Skrom | good point :) |
| 20:04.31 | TS|Skrom | The HowTo was great for explaining how to do it, just left out the important fact of WHERE to do it lol |
| 20:04.43 | tyroney | rofl http://www.wowwiki.com/XML_User_Interface#Using_Templates |
| 20:04.47 | TS|Skrom | which was probably an obvious thing for a seasoned programmer |
| 20:04.52 | tyroney | (placeholder, needs content here) |
| 20:04.58 | Beladona | someone should d a writeup on wowwiki about creating embeddable libraries |
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| 20:05.16 | Kilkbuln | Mikk asleep, so you can't ask him ;) |
| 20:05.17 | TS|Skrom | but not for someone who is new which is prolly who the howto's are really for |
| 20:05.50 | Beladona | wow, so the template section is empty - go figure |
| 20:05.54 | tyroney | I'm starting on some template howto goodness |
| 20:07.31 | Kilkbuln | wewt |
| 20:07.55 | tyroney | wait a minute, so you can't have a child virtual frame and inherit it? I' think I'll go try it right now. |
| 20:08.10 | tyroney | s/inherit/inherit from/ |
| 20:08.42 | Beladona | pretty sure that is the case |
| 20:09.10 | Beladona | kind of defeats the purpose of a template anyway imho |
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| 20:14.29 | tyroney | Bwa ha ha. I just tried it, and my resizing corners half broke. I could start resizing, (no texture,) but the inherited stopmovingresizing wasn't there, and it was entertaining. |
| 20:15.01 | Beladona | lol |
| 20:15.03 | Beladona | told ya |
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| 20:15.33 | Beladona | I think it has something to do with the way that inheritances and the reserved keywrod $parent works, but I am sure there is more to it |
| 20:15.36 | Kilkbuln | Thunder and lightning, rawr |
| 20:16.18 | tyroney | I wasn't even using parent in the process. |
| 20:19.57 | Kilkbuln | Y'know it's quite interesting reading up some of the quests - e.g. about Van Cleef being the man who was in charge of rebuilding Stormwind |
| 20:20.34 | tyroney | Totally. It's sad to think of all the people who totally miss the stories. |
| 20:20.34 | Kilkbuln | (understatement of the week, it's *very* interesting) |
| 20:20.45 | tyroney | Should I go file a bug? doing Minimap:SetAlpha(0) makes it disappear, and after hiding all children of Minimap, quest goals and such still show up on the screen. |
| 20:20.58 | Iriel | That's not a bug |
| 20:21.09 | Kilkbuln | It's a spider? |
| 20:21.19 | tyroney | So you absolutely have to hide Minimap to get those to disappear? |
| 20:21.22 | Iriel | It just means you didn't read the blizzard XML code properly |
| 20:21.27 | Kilkbuln | Elephant? Chicken? |
| 20:21.34 | Iriel | MinimapCluster is what most of the minimap stuff is part of |
| 20:21.45 | Kilkbuln | Aww, that's boring, I liked my idea better |
| 20:21.56 | tyroney | When you click the close button, it hides Minimap. (which hides everything fine) |
| 20:22.13 | Iriel | Hm, then maybe I dont understand what you're expecting to have vanish properly |
| 20:22.21 | Iriel | What do you expect to have go away, and why? |
| 20:23.03 | tyroney | Not the ping, but the quest objective dots. (and guard directions flags, and I assume world pvp landmark icons) |
| 20:23.33 | tyroney | I have this compass. It uses the little arrow model to orient itself. If you hide the minimap, the arrow stops updating. |
| 20:23.51 | Iriel | What if you just move the minmap offscreen? |
| 20:24.04 | tyroney | Hmm... I haven't tried that yet. |
| 20:24.06 | Iriel | Or scale it REALLY small |
| 20:24.30 | Iriel | Anyway, I suspect to hide the other bits you'd have to iterate over the children of Minimap and hide each model, and repeat that periodically., |
| 20:24.32 | tyroney | Though I was having run reparenting all of minimap's children to a surrogate parent to hide them. |
| 20:26.30 | tyroney | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:26.31 | tyroney | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:26.33 | tyroney | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:26.35 | tyroney | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:27.36 | Iriel | And does that somehow not work? |
| 20:27.45 | tyroney | Then I'd hide fakeMinimap, disablemouse on Minimap, alpha the Minimap to 0, and the dumb markers were still there. I like this move offscreen idea. I keep forgetting about all that underutilized offscreen space. |
| 20:27.50 | Iriel | I would imagine you'd have to repeat it periodically since new things show up |
| 20:28.14 | tyroney | Ah, that would make sense. Dynamic junk FTL! Well, at least when I don't know about it. |
| 20:28.41 | Iriel | Though i'm not sure how it manages it's free crap pool, if it goes hopping through the children of Minimap it's going to keep re-creating things |
| 20:28.56 | Iriel | Chances are it has its own internal list though, or at least we can hope it does |
| 20:29.24 | Iriel | Hiding a really tiny minimap under your compass may work also 8-) |
| 20:29.48 | KevICG | is there a way to convert a decimal value to a hexadecimal string? |
| 20:30.08 | malreth | string.format? |
| 20:30.42 | tyroney | My compass is all see-through. :D |
| 20:31.10 | Iriel | string.format("%.2x", 31) --> "1f" |
| 20:31.19 | tyroney | I might make it optionally alpha'd too. Just because I can. |
| 20:32.19 | malreth | yep... tasty string.format |
| 20:34.11 | Qzot | Way cool. About 100 loc, and my fast iconimizer is start to work sweetly. |
| 20:34.23 | tyroney | Fascinating. I just reloaded my UI with a dot visible, and it still wasn't caught to be hidden. Now to change it to an offscreen move. |
| 20:34.31 | tyroney | Qzot: iconimizer? |
| 20:34.52 | Qzot | Fast way to paint a bunch of mobs with icons over their heads. |
| 20:35.24 | tyroney | Ah. I started making one of those, but decided I'm happy with num-pad bindings. |
| 20:35.24 | KevICG | forgive my density, lets say I have a number variable called chksum and I wanted to assign it to a string called str_chksum in hex, what exactly would I do? |
| 20:36.05 | Qzot | KevICG: Read the lua manual section related to string.format, I believe. |
| 20:36.22 | tyroney | str_chksum=string.format"%.2x",chksum) maybe? |
| 20:36.32 | tyroney | Argh. Cursed paren. |
| 20:36.43 | Qzot | IIRC, there's a way to do radix farmotting. |
| 20:36.52 | Qzot | s/armo/orma/ |
| 20:41.17 | Qzot | Please name my new mod. |
| 20:41.31 | KevICG | Qzotinizer! |
| 20:41.32 | Qzot | Ideas: Qzml=Qzot's Markup Laziness. |
| 20:41.41 | Qzot | Idea: FastMark |
| 20:41.47 | Qzot | Idea: MobPainter |
| 20:41.57 | Qzot | Idea: QuickMark |
| 20:42.13 | Qzot | Idea: EZMarkup |
| 20:42.33 | malreth | Paintball? DOH! Already taken. |
| 20:43.03 | KevICG | what sort of markup does it do? raid icons? |
| 20:43.16 | Qzot | Yes. |
| 20:43.48 | Qzot | For trash pulls of 1-4 mobs, a hunter should be able to mark a group in about 1 sec. |
| 20:44.36 | Qzot | I'm meaning in instances, of course. |
| 20:44.52 | Beladona | MobMarker 3000 |
| 20:44.55 | Iriel | QTag |
| 20:44.59 | Iriel | QMark |
| 20:45.24 | Qzot | Hmm. Not bad. Why does "QMark" sound familiar? |
| 20:45.34 | Beladona | maybe its a DJ somewhere? |
| 20:45.39 | Beladona | oh |
| 20:45.44 | Qzot | Lol. I wouldn't know. |
| 20:45.53 | Qzot | PopQz? Eww, nm. |
| 20:46.08 | zenzelezz | wouldn't be quite true... but Q-Tip |
| 20:46.10 | Beladona | QzotDot |
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| 20:47.21 | Qzot | And I'm gonna have my standard torture in wowi, deciding whether it's a hunter mod ('cause hunters are doing most of the marking in instances) or a raid mod... |
| 20:47.23 | Beladona | so, did you manage to make it smart? |
| 20:47.33 | Qzot | Not yet. |
| 20:47.45 | Beladona | why would hunters be doing most of the marking? |
| 20:47.46 | Qzot | But I think I know how to make it 80% smart. |
| 20:47.47 | Cairenn | it's a raid mod :p |
| 20:48.07 | Qzot | Because they're off marking the next pack while the raid is killing the current one. |
| 20:48.08 | Beladona | I ALWAYS do the marking in my instances. I don't trust anyone else |
| 20:48.19 | KevICG | Speedy Object Symbols (SoS)? |
| 20:48.20 | Qzot | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:48.36 | Beladona | my mains a warrior |
| 20:48.45 | Qzot | We talking MC or Scholo? |
| 20:48.51 | Beladona | either |
| 20:48.52 | tyroney | oh no. All the minimap children are positioned relative to something else. |
| 20:48.58 | Qzot | Hmm. |
| 20:49.13 | Qzot | Our hunter is often *way* off in another part of the instance, pulling a boss back to us. |
| 20:49.19 | Beladona | but then, I wouldn't be doing auto-marking anyway |
| 20:49.42 | Qzot | But my MC experience is limited to a single guild, so that clinches it as a 'raid' mod, not a hunter one. |
| 20:49.56 | malreth | i agree... it's a raid mod, not a hunter mod |
| 20:50.15 | Qzot | Beladona: I'm doing away with auto-marking for now. |
| 20:50.16 | Beladona | I want a keybind that brings up the raid icon menu at my cursor |
| 20:50.25 | Beladona | =P |
| 20:50.39 | Qzot | So ... tell me how you decide to mark which mob with what? |
| 20:50.46 | Beladona | I have a standard |
| 20:51.15 | Qzot | Please tell me more. I'm wondering how many raid groups what I have now will help. |
| 20:51.25 | Beladona | skull = kill it NOW (lol) |
| 20:51.36 | Beladona | orange nipple aka shield thingy = offtank |
| 20:51.40 | KevICG | marking depends on group composition |
| 20:51.50 | Beladona | moon = sleep / sheep |
| 20:51.55 | Qzot | orange nipple = the condom thingy? |
| 20:52.05 | Beladona | purple diamond = sap |
| 20:52.19 | tyroney | I use the moon for sheep. |
| 20:52.19 | Beladona | yellow star = shackle |
| 20:52.41 | Beladona | and if we have two sheepers, I alternate a symbol for one or the other person |
| 20:53.00 | Beladona | like moon, triangle |
| 20:53.18 | Qzot | Hmm. What I'm planning would come darn close to what you want. |
| 20:53.25 | malreth | we call the orange thing a nipple or a sucker depending on who's leading |
| 20:53.30 | Qzot | Ctrl-click on the first target would get a skull. |
| 20:53.33 | KevICG | my only constant are X for tank and skull for kill |
| 20:53.45 | Beladona | I pretend the orange circle is a shield |
| 20:53.51 | KevICG | s/ant/ants |
| 20:53.51 | Beladona | that represents off-tanking |
| 20:53.53 | tyroney | Yeeup. Kill the skull, don't touch the X. |
| 20:53.58 | tyroney | Well, sometimes. |
| 20:54.06 | Beladona | and I chose purple diamond for sap because the sap spell anim is that same color |
| 20:54.32 | Beladona | yeah, X is hands off |
| 20:54.49 | Beladona | you touch it, you take it home with you |
| 20:54.59 | KevICG | could fairly easily select which icon represents which kind of target outside of options, for me the tougher question is always which CC for which mob type |
| 20:55.18 | Beladona | yeah, an options panel that defines the icon for each type of action would be nice |
| 20:55.26 | Qzot | Hmm. Okay. I think I know how to do what you want. Can I try to sell you an idea? |
| 20:55.32 | KevICG | and some folks do it differently than i do. some burn down summoners first, I tend to keep 'em sheeped if I have a mage |
| 20:55.41 | Beladona | depends, do I have to pay for it? |
| 20:56.07 | Qzot | Here's my goal. That for most pulls, you'll hold down a control key, and click-click-click to choose targets. |
| 20:56.22 | Qzot | Usually 1st click is skull. |
| 20:56.50 | KevICG | I like it |
| 20:56.53 | Beladona | might make that last - simply because some groups I have seen you have antsy people that attack as soon as they see the skull |
| 20:56.55 | Qzot | I still have to think about X, since some pulls will have one and some don't. |
| 20:57.06 | KevICG | beladona: smack those people |
| 20:57.15 | Beladona | I do, but you know how it is |
| 20:57.17 | Qzot | I can't really make that last. If that's uncorrectable, the idea is dead. |
| 20:57.59 | Qzot | Essentially, for the technical details, I'm going to have an ordered list of icons to use based on mobs type: beast, humanoid, undead, etc. |
| 20:58.04 | Beladona | nah thats cool, make it first. I was just tossing ideas in the hat |
| 20:58.06 | KevICG | qzot: ctrl key + right click == CC target, ctrl key + left click == tank/offtank |
| 20:58.11 | jaxdahl | only 1 reply |
| 20:58.16 | Qzot | All those choices are attached to a profile, so there's a way to switch easily. |
| 20:58.35 | Qzot | KeviCG: Yeah, I've considered that, too. |
| 20:58.40 | jaxdahl | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=26302634&postId=262202647&sid=1#0 |
| 20:59.13 | Beladona | why not dynamic keybinds? |
| 20:59.35 | Qzot | Hmm. First, define dynamic keybinds. |
| 21:00.07 | Beladona | Industrial and I experimented with it a while back when making a sliding action bar |
| 21:00.21 | jaxdahl | LMFAO: |
| 21:00.22 | jaxdahl | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=26302634&postId=262202647&sid=1#0 |
| 21:00.27 | jaxdahl | click on the lower right |
| 21:00.31 | jaxdahl | upper left |
| 21:00.33 | jaxdahl | lower left |
| 21:00.36 | jaxdahl | upper right |
| 21:00.42 | Beladona | its where you make a main keybind, and then that keybind does different things depending on what is happening at the time. Example, if you hit it once, it opens the list of icons, hit it again, and it uses an icon |
| 21:00.43 | jaxdahl | zangar, hellfire, then terokkar |
| 21:00.48 | Gryphen | dynamic keybinds, like V-Chat menus in other games |
| 21:00.49 | jaxdahl | (those zones in order) |
| 21:00.50 | Gryphen | quick chat |
| 21:01.03 | Beladona | aye, same thing |
| 21:01.15 | Beladona | like V, V in a v-chat menu |
| 21:01.18 | jaxdahl | shadow, blade's edge, nagrand, nether, zangar, hellfire, terokkar |
| 21:01.23 | jaxdahl | click those zones in that order |
| 21:02.29 | Qzot | Never played a V-chat game, so that doesn't speak to me. Sorry. |
| 21:02.38 | Beladona | in fact v-chat style icon assignment makes a lot of sense to me |
| 21:03.04 | Beladona | keybind opens menu, then you are presented with the icon choices |
| 21:03.29 | Beladona | you can either click the icon with your mouse, or hit the keybind assigned to that icon to choose it from the menu |
| 21:03.29 | Kilkbuln | hahaha |
| 21:03.35 | Qzot | So...control-click targets, and pops up an icon menu? |
| 21:03.36 | KevICG | interesting idea |
| 21:03.37 | Kilkbuln | jaxdahl, thanks for that :D |
| 21:03.47 | jaxdahl | is there a place to put that on the wiki? |
| 21:03.50 | jaxdahl | some sort of easter egg section |
| 21:03.58 | Kilkbuln | Yup |
| 21:04.09 | Qzot | jaxdahl: I'm just getting a forum post about Black Citadel, with nothing else. |
| 21:04.13 | KevICG | click a target then hit like ctrl-T, 1 to select first raid icon? |
| 21:04.16 | Kilkbuln | Qzot, http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/burningcrusade/townhall/outlandmap.html |
| 21:04.19 | Kilkbuln | On there |
| 21:04.28 | jaxdahl | er yea |
| 21:04.32 | jaxdahl | i meant to link that |
| 21:04.35 | jaxdahl | rather the other link |
| 21:07.05 | jaxdahl | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/burningcrusade/townhall/images/outlandmap/elf-dance.gif |
| 21:07.44 | jaxdahl | hmm.. i wonder if they used wow model viewer to make the .gif... |
| 21:07.59 | jaxdahl | could you look at the .gif file and see if it has some sort of signature? |
| 21:09.44 | malreth | i'm sure blizzard somehow has a model viewer and editor of their own |
| 21:10.08 | Kirov | Aye |
| 21:10.12 | Kirov | It's called Maya |
| 21:10.18 | tyroney | I'd love to sit at one of their machines and play with things at full resolution. |
| 21:10.30 | malreth | okeh... see you all later |
| 21:10.44 | tyroney | Play with = look at. I doubt they have full rez clients. |
| 21:10.46 | Mery | there is no way to create out own model files yet, isn't it? |
| 21:10.47 | KevICG | oh the machinima you could wreak upon the world |
| 21:11.53 | Kirov | I think people overestimate what kind of tools game Devs actually have. |
| 21:12.01 | Kirov | For the most part we deal with content source byitself. |
| 21:12.16 | Kirov | If we want to "view" something, it's in game usually. |
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| 21:12.50 | tyroney | I remember reading that at one point they modelled much higer quality things before toning them down for the actual game. |
| 21:12.59 | Kirov | usually crap test worlds we drop stuff in and run around. |
| 21:13.00 | jaxdahl | yes, that is typical, tyroney |
| 21:13.17 | tyroney | I want to say it's in the collectors edition art book I never did get. |
| 21:13.29 | jaxdahl | artists typically do everything high poly, then there are special artists skilled at low poly stuff that reduce the poly count and still make it look good |
| 21:13.43 | jaxdahl | and also use bump mapping and advanced stuff |
| 21:13.51 | jaxdahl | to make it appear higher count than it really is |
| 21:13.55 | tyroney | You mean cool stuff. |
| 21:14.41 | jaxdahl | some games release their dev tools years after they are made |
| 21:14.53 | jaxdahl | and when we use them, they seem so buggy that i wonder how they even did their jobs |
| 21:14.58 | Kirov | blizzard never releases their tools |
| 21:15.00 | jaxdahl | crashes if you do something you weren't supposed to |
| 21:15.30 | jaxdahl | kirov, not evne map editors? |
| 21:15.45 | Kirov | We know exactly how to use the tools, which features work and don't work. We know if we move that object, click twice on a side bar then try to scroll with the mouse wheel it'll crash. |
| 21:16.04 | jaxdahl | yea kirov |
| 21:16.16 | Kirov | When our job is to sit in the tools 8 hours a day, 5+ days a week, you learn what not to do. |
| 21:16.33 | Kirov | And yes, all of the map tools I know of for Blizzard games are third party. |
| 21:16.59 | jaxdahl | even wc3? |
| 21:17.07 | Kirov | Not sure about wc3 |
| 21:17.10 | Kirov | but possibly. |
| 21:17.41 | jaxdahl | http://www.battle.net/war3/faq/worldeditor.shtml |
| 21:18.17 | Kirov | Ah, yes, forgot about that |
| 21:19.52 | KevICG | man, it'd be rather nice to have access to a tool suite though to make your own WoW modded realms. I'd make one where everytime a paladin bubbled, it would show a giant hand squashing a kitten. |
| 21:20.15 | tyroney | I'm still holding out for quest-activated weather. |
| 21:20.19 | jaxdahl | i keep wanting to type terrokar instead of terokkar |
| 21:20.20 | Iriel | I suspect many folks underestimate the sheer volume of assets and coordination required for something like a realm |
| 21:20.41 | Kirov | yeah |
| 21:20.41 | Iriel | (including server resources, content, services, etc) |
| 21:21.08 | Kirov | an RTS game, especially with the tools released, are amazingly simple editors to create. |
| 21:21.14 | KevICG | Iriel: heh, it was said in jest, I have the barest inkling of the effort required and it makes me happy I'm not doing it |
| 21:21.18 | Mery | they released the "Warcraft 3 Art Tools 1.01" a plugin for 3dsmax to create wc3 models |
| 21:21.34 | tyroney | Most probably do. It's breath-taking to play on a low-memory video card that can't hold textures, and to see the world in a flat grey. They've done so much with so little. |
| 21:21.40 | Kirov | They're basically just simple bitmap editor |
| 21:22.06 | tyroney | The texture work is incredible. |
| 21:22.38 | jaxdahl | what type of databases do you suppose they use? oracle? |
| 21:23.00 | jaxdahl | or custom programmed for speed? |
| 21:23.11 | Iriel | I recall people guessing based on the job reqs on blizzard's site |
| 21:23.18 | tyroney | Something big and scary. |
| 21:23.34 | KevICG | probably something like oracle that can support a lot of simultaneous transactions |
| 21:23.55 | jaxdahl | it's also interesting to theorize how their stuff is set up |
| 21:24.04 | jaxdahl | we know that the battlegroups share some hardware |
| 21:24.06 | KevICG | hampster ring |
| 21:24.22 | jaxdahl | ie, you can't have duplicate guild names on 2 different realms in the same bgroup |
| 21:24.37 | Mery | (now with 2 hampsters) |
| 21:24.51 | jaxdahl | they *may* have changed that constraint though |
| 21:24.57 | jaxdahl | since they moved servers around |
| 21:25.17 | KevICG | I suspect the battlegroups are their own hardware, probably just move the client from server to server when you join the pvp realm |
| 21:25.35 | jaxdahl | i also wonder how the instances are set up |
| 21:25.54 | jaxdahl | also eastern kingdoms/kalimdor/instances seem to run separately |
| 21:25.54 | Iriel | There's been plenty of evidence based on the way things break or go out for maintanence that the servers are partitioned into largely independent clusters. |
| 21:26.04 | jaxdahl | since if EK crashes, you are still up on kalimdor |
| 21:26.07 | jaxdahl | or inside an instance |
| 21:26.24 | jaxdahl | it hands you off from one server to another when you zone |
| 21:27.11 | jaxdahl | i wonder if they can simply add more servers to handle more instances for the new ones |
| 21:27.17 | KevICG | that's the way SOE used to do it with EQ |
| 21:27.31 | jaxdahl | or if a server hosts multiple different instances |
| 21:27.40 | Iriel | One would hope they've got a fairly scalable design by now |
| 21:27.51 | Industrial | Bela |
| 21:27.53 | Industrial | hmm gone |
| 21:27.55 | jaxdahl | it will be hard to tell how many people reactiave |
| 21:27.59 | jaxdahl | reactivate for BC |
| 21:28.02 | Industrial | About the dynamic actionbar |
| 21:28.07 | jaxdahl | they do a very good job of keeping old data |
| 21:28.10 | Industrial | Still got it in my addons folder but its a stub |
| 21:28.22 | jaxdahl | i have heard of people coming back to the game afte rmonths and getting their deleted 60s restored |
| 21:28.36 | Iriel | I doubt they delete anything they dont have to |
| 21:28.49 | KevICG | jax: probably a bunch. IMO one of the central issues for a lot of folks is boredom with the limited endgame |
| 21:29.12 | KevICG | simply not enough different instances |
| 21:29.17 | jaxdahl | yea. the availability of server transfers should help smooth stuff out |
| 21:29.23 | jaxdahl | so they can go to new servers when they come back |
| 21:29.24 | Kirkburn | lockpicking training is dulllll |
| 21:29.33 | jaxdahl | the oldest realms would get hit the hardest |
| 21:29.53 | Qzot | Beladone leave? |
| 21:30.27 | Gryphen | ya |
| 21:30.30 | Qzot | k |
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| 21:36.52 | TS|Skrom | >< >< >< and more >< |
| 21:37.28 | TS|Skrom | I hate it when I've been sitting here trying to struggle through something to only find out it was something so simply stupid I should just turn in my badge |
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| 21:41.33 | Nightdew | is there a list out there which lists all the spells that are "next melee" type? |
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| 21:48.25 | Mr_Rabies2|away | i find it funny how little draenor changed since it blew up |
| 21:49.54 | tyroney | It more blew into chunks. |
| 21:50.27 | Kirov | perfectly inhabitable chunks, luckily |
| 21:50.58 | tyroney | I wonder if any world-type events will move chunks around. |
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| 22:11.27 | GeoDaMancer | Wheee. |
| 22:17.26 | Mr_Rabies2|away | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/burningcrusade/townhall/outlandmap.html http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Draenor_map.jpg |
| 22:17.37 | Mr_Rabies2|away | there's a comparison of the two |
| 22:19.30 | jaxdahl | Nightdew, here's a couple i know of |
| 22:19.38 | jaxdahl | Heroic Strike, Raptor Strike |
| 22:19.51 | zenzelezz | Cleave |
| 22:19.55 | GeoDaMancer | What's that for? |
| 22:20.02 | zenzelezz | "next melee" stuff |
| 22:22.30 | tyroney | Maul |
| 22:24.41 | GeoDaMancer | The rogue doesn't have any that I know of.. |
| 22:30.33 | Mr_Rabies2 | hrm |
| 22:30.45 | Mr_Rabies2 | is there no way to show the default party frame with easyraid? |
| 22:30.59 | GeoDaMancer | I mean, it might be in the later ones, but up to level 44 they don't have any. |
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| 22:39.56 | Gngsk | cold blood |
| 22:40.16 | GeoDaMancer | Oh yeah! |
| 22:40.30 | GeoDaMancer | Premeditation is too, right? |
| 22:40.43 | Gngsk | never had it :x |
| 22:41.15 | GeoDaMancer | I'm going to check Bell. |
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| 22:47.35 | ckknight | hey all |
| 22:47.56 | zenzelezz | heya |
| 22:48.19 | GeoDaMancer | Hola. |
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| 22:54.11 | tyroney | Doesn't the warden recognize keyloggers? Any link I could point this guy to? http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=26412707&sid=1&pageNo=2 |
| 22:57.29 | jaxdahl | no concrete answers yet: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=26302634&sid=1 |
| 22:57.35 | Mr_Rabies2 | if the keylogger is in the process list, warden can be used to detect it |
| 22:57.46 | GeoDaMancer | Warden? |
| 22:57.52 | jaxdahl | blizzard's scanner. |
| 22:58.04 | jaxdahl | it scans for bots and other stuff |
| 22:58.19 | GeoDaMancer | Oh shit, that's what you're talking about. xD *Just clicked what was being spoken of.* Yeah. |
| 22:58.25 | jaxdahl | it runs during the launcher |
| 22:58.31 | jaxdahl | as well as while you run the game |
| 22:58.47 | GeoDaMancer | Keylogger makes me think of something that tries to capture passwords, or things that looney businesses use to make sure their people don't be bad. xD |
| 22:59.44 | Mr_Rabies2 | it is |
| 22:59.45 | tyroney | Way looney. |
| 23:00.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | warden can be used to detect them, as long as they don't use rootkit style stuff to find it |
| 23:00.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | er |
| 23:00.28 | Mr_Rabies2 | to hide from it |
| 23:00.59 | tyroney | But generally speaking, I'm trying to find this guy a link that says how warden would find/alert you about a keylogger. Then maybe he'll be quiet. |
| 23:02.01 | Mr_Rabies2 | warden only could alert you via the launcher |
| 23:02.06 | tyroney | He's trying to tell the world that Blizzard should do something to detect the things, and I'm trying ot reveal that they already do so. |
| 23:02.18 | Mr_Rabies2 | if a detected process is discovered in the launcher, instead of reporting you to blizzard, it tells you what's wrong |
| 23:04.47 | Mr_Rabies2 | well, warden has to know what to look for |
| 23:05.26 | Mr_Rabies2 | someone has to say "hey, this process is used for keylogging" for warden to look for its memory signature in the process list |
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| 23:06.30 | jaxdahl | typically the APIs used for keylogging are well known |
| 23:06.47 | jaxdahl | so virus scanners check for those APIs called |
| 23:06.57 | jaxdahl | and sees what they do with the data collected |
| 23:06.57 | Mr_Rabies2 | yeah generally a virus scanner will pick them up |
| 23:07.05 | Kirkburn | Hmm, where can I go at level 18 ... |
| 23:07.15 | Mr_Rabies2 | warden should by no means be a replacement for an antivirus |
| 23:07.25 | Mr_Rabies2 | what faction kirk |
| 23:07.28 | jaxdahl | TCP functions + memory/disk storage + keylogging functions = probable trojan |
| 23:07.43 | Kirkburn | Alliance |
| 23:07.54 | jaxdahl | man, people are coming up with a bunch of different theories: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=26302634&sid=1 |
| 23:08.06 | GeoDaMancer | Wetlands, or Red Ridge. |
| 23:08.09 | Kirkburn | Ashenvale is too big, and I've done Rreridge and Westfall like millions of times |
| 23:08.14 | Kirkburn | *Redridge :/ |
| 23:08.28 | GeoDaMancer | Depending on class you could probably tank some of the Dusk. |
| 23:08.37 | Kirkburn | Hmm, yeah, maybe I'll go to the wetlands. Rogue here :) |
| 23:08.59 | GeoDaMancer | Right on! |
| 23:09.35 | Kirkburn | Lol! |
| 23:09.39 | GeoDaMancer | Rogues are fun. xD |
| 23:09.47 | Kirkburn | Someoen just randomly came up to me and gave me a Blackened Defias Belt! |
| 23:09.48 | GeoDaMancer | What server, if'n you don' mind. |
| 23:09.50 | Kirkburn | Free! |
| 23:10.00 | GeoDaMancer | Heh. xD I've done things like that. |
| 23:10.08 | Kirkburn | And now they've run off :O |
| 23:10.41 | Kirkburn | What a nice surprise :) |
| 23:11.45 | GeoDaMancer | What server you on? |
| 23:11.54 | Kirkburn | Bloodhoof EU |
| 23:11.59 | GeoDaMancer | Ahhh. |
| 23:13.23 | Kirkburn | That sounded ominous :P |
| 23:13.26 | tyroney | Not quite wetlands at 18, unless you're all grouped up. |
| 23:13.59 | GeoDaMancer | Well, a rogue can handle it. >. |
| 23:14.05 | GeoDaMancer | Lots of back stabbing. xD |
| 23:14.12 | Kirkburn | My parter in crime is asleep atm (Mikk) |
| 23:14.42 | tyroney | And what's so bad about the size of Ashenvale? Less people to bother your grind. |
| 23:14.55 | Kirkburn | I don't really like the NE lands tbh |
| 23:15.03 | Kirkburn | Too dark and foreboding |
| 23:15.05 | tyroney | Wait, aren't the stonetalon mts around that level? I never did get there until it was too late, level-wise. |
| 23:15.16 | Kirkburn | That's true, I always forget about Stonetalon |
| 23:15.41 | tyroney | That and the flats are my two favorite not-so-visited places. (not-so for me, at least) |
| 23:16.01 | Kirkburn | Shimmering Flats are cool :) |
| 23:16.26 | Kirkburn | I've barely used stealth so far |
| 23:17.03 | GeoDaMancer | I don't like the Stonetalens. |
| 23:17.11 | Kirkburn | Why so? |
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| 23:26.08 | GeoDaMancer | Er, I just don't. xD |
| 23:27.35 | zenzelezz | I don't like it because it was the first place I got ganked on a PvP server |
| 23:27.44 | GeoDaMancer | ganked? |
| 23:28.00 | Kirkburn | Deadwind Pass is teh sexy :) |
| 23:28.21 | Kirkburn | Ganked meaning killed over an dover |
| 23:28.28 | Kirkburn | *and over |
| 23:28.31 | zenzelezz | no, just once |
| 23:28.35 | zenzelezz | but by a vastly superior enemy |
| 23:28.40 | GeoDaMancer | Ahhh... Never done a PVP server, so I didn't know. |
| 23:28.42 | Kirkburn | That too |
| 23:28.47 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 23:29.15 | GeoDaMancer | Gank sounds like a perverted shank. o.O |
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| 23:50.38 | Kirkburn | Ooh time for the Algaz Gauntlet :) |
| 23:53.23 | Industrial | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9040167214635732060&q=zome |
| 23:54.26 | Kirkburn | Eep, Dragonmaw scouts and grunts are hard :/ |
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